The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Drew Reveals He Has Cancer, James Deen Joins The Show and Drew and His Daughter are Authors (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)

Episode Date: July 20, 2024

The fellas talk about Drew and his cancer status, Porn Star James Deen joins the show to talk mental health and Drew is co-authoring a book with his daughter!...

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome back to the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics. I am your host, Big Brother Jake, aka Jake Warner, my government name. On with the show. First up is episode 83 that took place on October 3rd, 2013, titled Dr. Drew's Cancer. The fellas talk about Dr. Drew's recent change in his health. Check it out. We got the air blowing in here, we got the lights on, we got a full staff.
Starting point is 00:00:32 Got those two guys over there, they got a McLemur. That's right, we got Max Patton, Half Tard over there. Somebody's gotta keep those guys in top ramen. And uh. It's crazy, I'm on my contact list on my phone. It says, you know, Gary. Oh, Gary, you punched a mic. I'm on my contact list on my phone. It says Gary. Oh, you punched a mic. I'm right on.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Less than a minute, 51 seconds. It's not a record. Not a record. Not even close. It says there's a little company thing in the bottom in small letters. It says Haftar. Mine says Maxipata and Haftar. I changed mine on your phone.
Starting point is 00:01:02 Oh, you did? Yeah. Oh, it doesn't say Maxipad anymore? Well, in the company it says Loxamana. Oh, man. That's devastating. All right. So I'll be confused if he ever calls me.
Starting point is 00:01:14 Dr. Drew, and by the way, you can click through the Amazon link at Adam and DrDrewShow.com. Dr. Drew has some breaking news for us. Yeah, I've been running around town talking about this. People may have seen me. My prostate cancer. Yeah. Finally talking about that. No, why weren't you talking about it before or what is based on this is the right time to talk about it? There's multiple things. One is the real reason it I decided now is the time is weird rumors started coming out. I was getting calls from like MSN.com and other websites going, we hear you're dying of cancer, you're losing your job, they're looking
Starting point is 00:01:54 for a replacement. And I thought, okay, really? So okay, so now I have to tell the story. Okay, I've got to set the record straight. You also said some weeks ago that, that you know when the time was right kind of thing that I would talk about it Yeah, and I had no idea when that was going to be I really didn't this is my other concern was There's a there's an important message in my story And I wanted to make sure that I could actually tell the message without it being a not a good story You know what I mean if you know If things hadn't gone well, I probably would have just kept the quiet. I think it's a lot like there's a couple
Starting point is 00:02:31 and they're in their 40s and they're getting the in vitro and Cheryl is technically pregnant but they just don't want to make the announcement because it could have bored. It could have bored, but more importantly, you'll hear me hopefully in this episode talk about watchful waiting and not freaking out about prostate cancer. I don't want to be dying of prostate cancer and try to give that message. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:02:55 I just wouldn't tell anybody. You wanted to make sure that the procedure went well and that the subsequent scans and tests and things showed- Were negative so my message was appropriate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As negative, so my message was appropriate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As opposed to why I talk about it. Otherwise I wouldn't even talk about it.
Starting point is 00:03:09 I would just go, hey, I just sort of fade out and just disappear. Right. So there's that. And then it's prostate awareness month. Oh, it is? September was, we just missed it, but that's why I've been running around,
Starting point is 00:03:21 I was running around the end of September talking about this, trying to squeeze that in. And the other thing for me, as I said, is that there's a relief as a physician, there's really important learning in this for men. Maybe for you. Okay? You ready to learn something?
Starting point is 00:03:38 Yeah. All right. I was diagnosed two years ago. And I knew, and the whole story by which I was, if you're interested, I'll tell you the story. But the point is, I was diagnosed two years ago. And I knew, and the whole story by which I was, if you're interested, I'll tell you the story, but the point is I was diagnosed and I knew I had a low-grade tumor and I knew I could wait. I just, as a physician, I know,
Starting point is 00:03:54 so the first message is when somebody gives you the cancer diagnosis, particularly prostate cancer, do not freak out and run for a surgery or radiation. You know, there's a way to manage these things that's much better than, oh my god, it's cancer, I gotta get this out. All right, let me be a lay person here. Prostate cancer is usually a lower grade, slower growing. In older men.
Starting point is 00:04:18 In older men. So if I were 75, we wouldn't even make the effort to diagnose it, or anything. And if you live to 90, you'll have it. Everyone has it, pretty much. Right, but if you have a tumor in your lung, that's a different deal. Move it along.
Starting point is 00:04:32 Yeah, it's a different deal. That will get you fast. Prostate cancer is slow, but in 40s and 50s, maybe even 60s, probably a different disease. It will shorten your life, for sure. No, when you're in your 40s and 50s, it will shorten your life for sure in no when you're in your 40s and 50s Yes, it will shorten your life if you get right and then within the those 20 30 years. There's different Grades of tumor you can get me ask this about the prostate. Yeah, I
Starting point is 00:04:57 Don't know a human anatomy, but I do know automobiles. Yes. Okay, I've heard and dig dig and when it comes to cars No, no, hold on man Yes, please I can't wait when it comes to cars there are things Like ball joints or you joints or CV joints the ball joint or CV joints. This is closer to the ball joint. There's taint adapters. Taint. That's the second thing. There's there's back sacks, master cylinders and things like that. I know this sounds funny, I'm not making it up. No, there are things, for instance, you buy yourself a Honda that Honda's gonna have a timing belt the timing belt Will need to be changed at 75 80,000 miles. Yes
Starting point is 00:05:51 You might be able to stretch it to 90,000 or a hundred. I'll be you strangely. It's 50. Well Every time quiet you have a chain with a BMW Most likely not a belt so that's not the timing timing bait you'll have to do something else don't fuck Okay, you know my point the point is this There's certain things like nobody ever says the the differential of my car The rear end of my car is worn out. Yeah that part that differential That thing's good for five hundred thousand miles differential, that thing's good for 500,000 miles. You will replace five timing belts in the time before you have to crack that pumpkin
Starting point is 00:06:29 on the differential. Yes. Okay. Your body has parts that go sooner and parts that go later as well. And some of that's genetically predetermined. Right. Different people, different things. Right.
Starting point is 00:06:42 We're not all just coming out of the factory in Japan or North Carolina or wherever they're stamping that stuff out But the point is is the prostate is sort of the timing belt of the male Vehicle meaning it's gonna go some sooner some later just like timing belts go Yeah, but there are other things that go first Well, and there are other things that go second or not really at all. Or much more important really also. But you're, and I can't, you know, I did not take human anatomy, but I can't tell you the part that you're gonna have for a long time. But that prostate, that's gonna need to be worked on sooner or later or some point. It's going to wear it's gonna give you issues Yes, it's gonna give one sword or another name a part in your body. That's just a long runner. That's the rear end
Starting point is 00:07:32 Sorry about the prostate but the differential of the body, you know, you know I mean that that just will strangely probably erect them. Yeah I was something it gets a lot of use Oh, and the hemorrhoids will kick in there eventually. But I mean, for the most part... You're not replacing it. You're not replacing it, and it's not going to wear out before. But the prostate is the timing belt.
Starting point is 00:07:53 Yeah. And the prostate, just to continue with the lay analogy, it sits sort of at the base of your bladder. It's the major immune gland. It produces semen. Is it the major immune gland? For the urethral tract. It produces semen. Is it the major immune gland? For the urethral tract. It creates lubricants.
Starting point is 00:08:09 Oh, but not for the body. No, no, no, no, for the urethral tract. Yes, yes, you're right. And it just sits at the base of the bladder. And the bladder sort of is the, speaking of the taint, it's sort of down in that area. It sits underneath that. And it's what produces semen, produces lubricants,
Starting point is 00:08:23 produces semen. Doesn't happen anymore. I see your wheels turning. What's your prostate's out? Right. But there's a difference between sperm and semen. Sperm keeps getting produced in your testes. I don't know actually where it goes. I was going to ask that, where the sperm ends up. Well, I saw you belch the other day and a big bubble came out of your mouth so maybe it's maybe it's getting rerouted.
Starting point is 00:08:47 No doubt. Jizz bubble. No it's not jizz it's sperm. I know. Well wait a second so what comes out now? Nothing. Nothing. Zero. But but you you you experience a sensation of it. Same same. Oh it's like one of those smokeless cigarettes. Now you can beat off on the plane finally and not have to go to the bathroom. Do you know what I mean? Oh, I do.
Starting point is 00:09:12 No longer do you have to excuse yourself to the bathroom to masturbate. Sometimes four or five times on a cross-country flight, not to mention those flights to Asia. Well, this is awesome. It is, it's very clean. But the surgery is a big surgery to get the prostate out. Okay, I'll get to that in a second.
Starting point is 00:09:32 It's done with robot, the DaVinci machine, you've seen that machine? Is there motion? Let me ask you something, Drew. So I have like six of these. Yeah, little 3-8s, oh, it's an inch. It's a bigger one, and there's a bigger one. Incisions made around the abdomen. Let me ask this, Drew. For the guy who has had the prostate surgery and doesn't produce anymore, nothing comes
Starting point is 00:09:56 out. Reflexively, you know, like how dogs walk in a circle, like your dog will walk in a circle and then lay down on the carpet. No reason to go in the circle. It's just it's built into the DNA. Yeah. Still pull out. Towels. Towels. Do it on the tits. Do it on the tits and yell you love it bitch. Get ready. There's a fucking Santa Claus coming your way. There's a fucking hailstorm blowing in. Put your goggles on, bitch. Oh, take it. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:29 Yeah, rub it in. Now this little powder. It's a poof of powder. Oh yeah. Could be a flag that says bang, maybe we can organize that. That's a leave-in conditioner, bitch. Oh yeah. Well maybe you could take a conditioner bottle
Starting point is 00:10:52 Still reflexively, you know just from your old days, you know what I'm saying the first couple of the impulses there the impulses Welcome back to the Adam and dr. Drew show classics up next we have episode 558 that aired on April 12, 2017. Porn star James Dean appeared on the show, but the discussion isn't what you think he'd normally talk about. Take a listen. Hey, Gary, why don't you go fetch James Dean and his bio out there? Because he arrived a little bit early and I figured, you know, let's just bring him in and talk to him here. I'm not sure. James, porn entrepreneur, I guess we would call him.
Starting point is 00:11:38 Sort of a... Pioneer. Porn pioneer. Sort of made his claim to stake with what, teen mom? Was that you, Drew? He had sex with me? No. Oh. One of your clients.
Starting point is 00:11:52 Farah. Farah. That's where he first came to prominence, right? No, owner. Well. I didn't hear of him before that. Yes. Oh, he used to come on Loveline back in the day with me and Mike, I guess. But I knew him from the Farrah Abraham thing, right? There was a lot of stuff around that, yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:08 A lot of controversy. Well, I don't keep up on all the fellas in the business, you know what I'm saying? So you've never met James Dean? No, I have met him. I'm trying to... All right, all right. That's why I was asking. I was asking.
Starting point is 00:12:20 No, you're not asking. I'm saying that's where he sort of came to national prominence is what I'm saying. James Dean, good to see you man. Thank you very much for having me. I have to say this is like a dream come true to be in the same room with like both of you at the same time. See I thought, somehow I thought you had been, I feel like I've known you long enough that
Starting point is 00:12:39 you'd been in that phase of Love Line, but it was me and Mike I guess, or me and Stryker even right? No, no, you and Mike. Me and Mike. Why was the mike not working who's that right again still heated up three four five six not working eight there then uh... other dirt dialing it and i think that i'm there is fifteen sixteen there it is there it is uh... we are
Starting point is 00:12:59 let me uh... so uh... good see again james thank you very much. Let me see if I'm pronouncing this right. Diminuendo? That is correct. Wow look at me Drew. I've overcome my ability. Tell us about this film. So this was a movie that I did. It's actually I'm just the supporting guy in it. I'm not like the star or anything. It's Richard Hatch's last last movie He recently sadly died of pancreatic cancer. Oh, yeah, and during the Production like everyone like could see that there was something very wrong with him. Did he know it? Yeah, I think well actually I shouldn't speak on that cuz I honestly I don't know what was his most famous movie But movie I'm not sure but Battlestar Galactica. I believe is what he was most known for
Starting point is 00:13:44 Yeah, I gotta see a picture of him because I oh that Richard Hatch. Yeah, Richard Hatch. It is Battlestar, right? That's Yeah, absolutely. All right. And and yeah, so he I mean, I think I think the director knew I think a few other people That were closer to him than I was obviously New but he he there was very Serious physical like signs that he was not well. And he just was like, no, I'm not feeling well. I have a little stomach problem or something. And he muscled through and gave a great performance, and it was an honor to be included in his
Starting point is 00:14:15 last project. Give us a little... He wasn't old. What's he, 62? Yeah, he was not... Yeah, he could have been... 71. 71?
Starting point is 00:14:23 Wow. He looked really good. He looked really good. I thought he was not, yeah. 71. 71? Wow. He looked really good. He looked really good. I thought he was in his 60s. What does give us a synopsis of the movie? So it's a sci-fi romance movie. Chloe Dykstra is the leading lady and Richard Hatch is the leading gentleman.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I'm basically the asshole like character who pretty much is the comic relief and says really stupid things and people tell me to shut up and it's funny and really fun. But the movie is about, he's a down and out director. He used to be a big time Hollywood director, Oscar winner, great director and he kind of fell from grace and is really depressed. Now he's just like an alcoholic and kind of just, you know, screw up. And it's because this woman he was in love with had died. And then this company brings him back to direct the story of her life and they have her played by a robot of her and then the idea is that they're going
Starting point is 00:15:22 to then sell these in mass production And it's a beautiful poster. Yeah, and they're gonna sell these in mass production and have your merriment robot And you're you know, Chai Lo Shay who's the character bot and then everybody could have their own person This will happen. This will one day happen. Yeah, I'm amazed Or VR may may obviate the need for it. So yeah, except that I mean so well for VR porn specifically I always, I don't know, I've been dabbling in the idea of getting into it but I feel like if someone walked in a room and I was wearing those goggles and jerking off I'd be trying to get the goggles off my face before I put my dick in my pants because I'd just be like no I swear I wasn't wearing goggles I was jerking off to normal porn,
Starting point is 00:16:00 regular normal porn. Well you know what I always, I mean, maybe this is, this is upon us if we'd like. To me, the next whatever in porn is putting whoever you want in the porn movie, whether they've consented or not to be in this porn movie. And I mean- Like holograms? Well, using technology that is probably
Starting point is 00:16:30 George Lucas has at his fingertips, I'm sure- George Lucas, come make porn with me. You have a, Margot Robbie is your idea of a most beautiful woman on the planet. Margot Robbie makes films and is probably not gonna do porn for a number of years. But you would like to see what she would look like doing a porn movie and with whatever computers
Starting point is 00:16:55 and whatever images we have and all pixel, this and that, we're gonna put her in a porn. And then you will then be able to order your, see, when I was a kid, if you would have told me, hey, Linda Carter's in a porn movie, I would have paid anything to see what Linda Carter would look like in a porn movie. You know Linda Carter? I know who, uh, Linda Carter. Wonder Woman.
Starting point is 00:17:20 She's Wonder Woman. Not like personally familiar with it. But I'm wondering also, then you get into this weird world of if a woman, let's just say it's Margot Robbie. And you go, look, will you do a porn movie? And she says, no, I don't wanna do a porn movie. And then you say, will you let us do a scan of you? Like when they're doing an animated whatever, when it's like a put whatever, when they put the
Starting point is 00:17:45 green suit on with the ping-pong balls or whatever, we'll do full scan, you will get, you know, 30% of whatever this is. It's gonna take a day in front of a cyclorama and a green screen or whatever, but you don't have to have sex with anybody, but we're gonna get this. I think most of it is the stigma around being in a porn, because because I mean from being on mainstream Sets and porn sets I can safely say porn sets are way more professional They respect their performers way more you you're way more careful with you know boundaries and making sure everyone is comfortable Opposed to mainstream where they'll just basically like oh, you're not happy about that well do it anyway, or you're fired and it's just
Starting point is 00:18:23 Has a PC culture bled into the porn set oh yeah imagine I basically haven't left my house for I like bought this acre of land in Pasadena and I pretty much am building like my own little cabin in the woods where I never have to speak with humanity ever again because I'm just getting really irritated with the fact that you can't say or do anything without, you know, like a Pepsi commercial that really is not really very interesting or relevant somehow has triggered quote unquote this entire like campaign against Pepsi because of what? I don't get it.
Starting point is 00:19:03 You know what it is? I'll tell you the problem. I realize what happened. We taught dumb people clever phrases and they love to trot them out. There's nothing a dumb person loves to do more than the Pepsi campaign I found was very tone deaf, culturally tone deaf. And it's like, that's a person who never said tone deaf before this, but we taught them, CNN taught them tone deaf. And it's like, that's a person who never said tone deaf before this but we taught them, CNN taught them tone deaf or insensitive or microaggression or
Starting point is 00:19:31 whatever it is. And dumb people love parroting things that make them sound smart. I do it all the time. No, me too. Back in the day, no, but it was like, it was like Michael, you know, it's like Mike Tyson going, I punched him in his equilibrium. He's trying to sound smart, but he's just not smart. So the reason we have a lot of douchey people now is because they spit out, they have access to legalese and all this kind of stuff that's going on and they have no business using those words in the past.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Let me teach you a vocabulary word. Empty slogans, shibboleth. Shibboleth. Shibboleth. Is that what that means? Yeah. Is that the- We're loaded with shibboleth today.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Gary, look it up. Yes. Is that Jew? That was a Jewish holiday. Shibboleth. Now you're on a porn site, right? I mean, sir, you're on a porn set. I mean, I am on many porn sites.
Starting point is 00:20:23 But you're on a porn set. You're on a porn set. And mean, I am on many porn sites. You're on a porn set. You're on a porn set and we're living in a world where if you're in a work environment and you complement a woman on her skirt, you could get written up. Right? Drew, focus over here. Gary's taking issue with my vocabulary. What does it say? A saying that people repeatedly cite but which is wrong or thought to be wrong by some or a word or custom whose variations in pronunciation or style are used to distinguish members of in-groups from those of out-groups. Empty slogans.
Starting point is 00:20:55 That's another way of thinking of it. That's my abbreviated way of saying that. Slogans that aren't really right. They aren't really meaningful. They don't really attach anything to them. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I got a slogan. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:21:06 We're beating a dead horse. Tell me to shut up. Now, we live in an environment where you are going to get reported for complementing a woman's skirt if you work for corporate America. If James does, imagine what. You'll be written up. No, it would be a media circus. Now you have to go on to a workplace
Starting point is 00:21:25 where you're gonna blow a load in a chick's face. But yet, that same environment still kind of permeates, right? So the adult industry is at a very weird, it's the first time in my entire career I've ever had an ethical dilemma with what I do. So, and granted, I'm 31 now. when I was in my 20s, I obviously cared less about the world and other people and stuff. Um, I, I've been paying a look, you know, attention to consistencies and behavior
Starting point is 00:21:58 with the younger models that I work with and intimacy almost is uncomfortable for them. Mm. They're traumatized, yeah. It's like I'll do scenes and I'll like grab the girl and like kiss her or, you know, chug. Or like be like, look at me in the eyes. And it'll almost be like, no, no, no, no, no. I just spread my legs.
Starting point is 00:22:16 You know, use my hole and blow it low on my face. I'm like, no, that's not sex. That's, that is, you know, a certain type of pornography that, you know, if that was the scene we are doing then we can do it But there's companies like X art and erotica X and you know passion HD and all these companies that want to see real Their whole sweet center where they've built their their demographic on Reality sex you know like intimacy and not just like the the more gonzo type like analized calm Which I was saying is,
Starting point is 00:22:46 that's more of the just, you know, porno style. Do you ask them what's behind that? Do you talk to them? I don't feel like I have the credentials or the- You're afraid what you're gonna get into. And I don't have the proper training to be able to usher them into where they need to go. So, APAC is, sorry for interrupting,
Starting point is 00:23:04 but APAC is apac-usa.com. It's basically SAG for the adult film industry. And they have a list of APAC approved therapists and sex work positive people and health educators and stuff that ideally people can be referred to. That may not be good. Why? Because any time- Please come and audit us.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Any time a therapist has an ideological point of view, that's not good. I agree. I agree. They should just be good therapists, period. The way that you get the APAC stamp of approval is essentially, the APAC, like I have one for my companies, they send out a thing saying saying do you agree to not do these things like? exchange sex for For services like I'll give you an hour therapy if you blow me like, you know
Starting point is 00:23:52 That obviously is not the APAC approved So it's less a matter of people that have an agenda and are and an opinion and more matter of well As soon as you say sex work positive and some, it's like, it's like just human positive. That's all. Helping people where they're, meeting people where they are. That's all they put in. We'll be right back with more of the Adam and Dr. Drew show classics.
Starting point is 00:24:19 Last up for today, we have episode 1210 titled, You Can't Pay for Purpose, which aired on December 19th, 2017. Adam and Drew discuss Drew and his daughter writing a book and the contents of said book. Here's the clip. So co-authoring a book with your daughter. Yep. What is that like?
Starting point is 00:24:40 She's a, you know, she went to Columbia Graduate School in writing. It's kind of nice. She can just... She can write. Yeah, she can write. I thought she was writing comedy. She did. She worked for a while doing a second city stuff and then she finished a nonfiction creative writing degree and I'm trying to get her out of comedy for television. She would be really good. What's nonfiction creative writing? It's sort of cultural criticism. Remember Megan Dome? Megan, I'm one of her professors Well, she's a genius. Yes Megan Dom. She is nobody knows talent
Starting point is 00:25:10 I had a coffee with her of an eye here for talent. She's amazing. I don't need praise I'm it to recognize genius. It is a certain form of genius, you know, and that's making down It is a certain form of genius, you know, and that's making them down And you know, she's been taking shit for that book she wrote smart the trouble with everything it's a great book Yeah, I talked to her. She's been drummed out of the New York socialite circles by the way Look, if you hang out the bunch of fucking snooty assholes, then this is the danger. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:25:47 You hang out with a bunch of fucking poser douchebags, then you can be run out. That's how they do it. I mean, see, you shouldn't hang around with your fucking poser Manhattan douchebag pseudo-intellectual fucksticks in the first place. It's kind of on you for what you were accepted into this group of fucking super weak fucking nude nicks who contribute nothing to society and then at a certain point you write a book that tells the truth and then They boot you out of this fucking cocktail party that produces nothing It's a bunch of fucking assholes exchanging ideas and looking down their nose at other people because they have advanced degrees
Starting point is 00:26:27 Doesn't make you good at something doesn't make you talented all the fucking degrees in the world doesn't make you talented at something I think that's what these people don't understand you can have talent and No degrees or you can it's like if you're LeBron James you don't go to college you just go the NBA Don't need it if you have that kind of talent Yeah, it's fucking relaxing poetic. I'm angered by these people because they remind me my grandma and her friends You know, it's a very this like intellectual snobs who really Everything about them was about a title and agree, you know, he's an engineer. He's a professor UCLA first things first
Starting point is 00:27:11 When I was listening to some of these people that were protesting Dennis Prager playing for the Philharmonic These guys were professors at UCLA. They sounded like Retarded people their thoughts were horrible. They didn't hang together at all. I mean they sounded like some of the dumbest guys I've ever worked with. Their arguments were insane. So this day, he's a professor, what's that mean? Does that mean something? When fucking drivel comes out of your mouth? When you can't connect a thought? I mean if you ever listen to that professor you go Well, what the fuck does this title even mean anymore and then you know for my grandma's that this guy's a professor He's a philosophy professor. He's an engineer
Starting point is 00:27:57 It was always just title title title and then some of the angriest boring as people you'd ever fucking snobbyist People you'd ever speak to so what the fuck Do you want to go to those cocktail parties for? but You got in with these people now, I know real smart people that their actual Application talent smart people hard-working and they're the most regular nicest guys on the planet don't care about anyone's background or Breeding or heritage or anything? It's all just about what they can do now. That's why I'd like to get my daughter out here
Starting point is 00:28:36 She's really good at writing comedy and dialogue. She could write television. Yeah, she could write television Oh my god, she could I know I got to get her out here so what's the book about consent So the book's about consent. The book, listen, the publisher wanted this, and I said, great, my daughter will be interesting to have her, because she's closer to the age of the kids we're writing for, and have her write in here. How does consent work now? We're essentially building a structure that looks at how you can figure out who you are and what your feelings
Starting point is 00:29:05 are in the setting where somebody else is asking you to do something. And how you can get somebody to do something without being overly persuasive or exploitative. That's all. Just it's how to know. What's overly persuasive? Well, it's an interesting question. It's... I feel like that's a talent.
Starting point is 00:29:24 If you're not taking the other, this is why I've been thinking about the void of people taking other people's perspective. In order to really have an exchange, you have to be able to consider the other person sitting across from you. What do they experience? What are they feeling?
Starting point is 00:29:39 Am I paying attention to that? Am I being overtaken by that? Am I subjugating my feelings to that? Does that make sense? It's just a basic human, it's a negotiation, but it's a basic human interaction, but we really, no one ever examines it or teach kids how to like be aware of what they're doing in that setting. Well, give us some things we could be aware of. You could be aware that somebody is trying to use you for their own needs.
Starting point is 00:30:05 That's it. I do feel like people don't get... People have difficulty... It's like when you're trying to get off the phone with your wife. She doesn't understand what you're saying when you're saying. That's right. You're not picking up what you're... You have to get used to saying,
Starting point is 00:30:24 Hey, you're not hearing me You're not hearing me. You're not you're not getting this. You have to be prepared to do that. Well, I do believe that people Have a cadence and a tone and a you know, there's that we're leaving the Thanksgiving party and you do the well Yep that we're leaving the Thanksgiving party and you do the, well, Cammie's got a volleyball game early tomorrow, so, and then the personal, some people start walking you to the door and then other people are like,
Starting point is 00:30:56 we haven't got the pie out of the oven yet, don't you want pecan? And you're like, we got a really, we got a long drive back and we got an early morning and they go, let me get to Pecan. And you're like, you're not hearing what I'm saying. So think about that, you're consenting to leave. Like, I'd like your consent to get out of here right now.
Starting point is 00:31:16 Hold on, are you asking me? Yeah. Okay. Right now? So, so you're, then there's, and as opposed to them acknowledging your request They're hitting you with their request which is stay right and that's a non Neither side is hearing one another
Starting point is 00:31:38 Well, I think the one side is saying I'd like to go and the other side's not hearing it Not letting them go now Now the persuasive is different. Well, sometimes it's not that they don't respect it. Some people don't hear it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. When you tell your wife, not tell your wife. Here we go. Okay, now.
Starting point is 00:31:52 All right. Okay. Got it. No, no. We'll do. We'll do. When you're trying to wrap it up, she's not disrespecting you. She's not hearing it.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Right. Now, maybe she has wishes and those wishes transcend the hearing part of the respecting part but it's not like I understand what you're trying to do and you're not gonna get away with this one and Also, I don't think the person with the pecan pie that's getting ready to pull out of the oven is really Disrespecting you they're not really hearing this but they're hearing yes Yes, I've also found that those people, many people have a little bit of a drum beat in their head that is like, here's what I wanna do,
Starting point is 00:32:33 and here's what I want for you, and here's what we're gonna do. That's right. And they're just pushing. They're just like, and you're going, I'm gonna wrap this up, and they're going, oh, come on, where you going? And you know, it's a weird,
Starting point is 00:32:44 you know, there's people where, how many times you had this happen? Where like you went like, I'm not gonna go to Seth's party and they go, oh man, Seth would be really upset if you weren't there and then you go, I'm just not up to it. I've just been working really hard, but tell Seth, give him my love. Seth's not gonna be happy, dude, you should swing,
Starting point is 00:33:03 you should at least make an appearance, at least make an appearance, at least make an appearance, at least make an appearance. And at some point you go, fuck it. You go over there and then Seth goes, huh, what are you doing here? I didn't expect to see you here. And I'm like, why was this person,
Starting point is 00:33:14 why was this so important to, why was this person doing this? What was their traffic copping in this? When I told them I'm really tired, I've been working a lot, I'm just gonna stay in Saturday night, why didn't they go have a cup of post them on me? Why did they go, no it's really important, it's really... Or I'm having anxiety about it, it'd be tough for me to stay home, I think I worry about how
Starting point is 00:33:38 Seth's gonna be. Again, it's okay to express how you're feeling about your choice, but to make you go, that's the opposite. Somebody needs to write this book, Drew, because I've turned the corner on this thing. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That's all for this week. Thanks again for listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics.
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