The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Mindy McCready Discussion (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)

Episode Date: December 14, 2024

Adam and Drew open the show discussing the tragic passing of Mindy McCready and Drew's frustration with the media's role in the story. They also take listener calls on cutting, depression vs. laziness and the dangers of MDMA use.

This is Corolla Digital. Recorded live at Corolla One Studios with Adam Corolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. you're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew show Yeah, get it on got to get on a choice we're gonna make you know Welcome to another Adam and Drew a show hot topics, baby. Dr. Drew in the crosshairs. What's going on? He said you make me feel better. Oh, yeah, Minnie McCready Took her own life a little bit ago making me feel better. Okay, but uh And I know how sensitive you are. Yeah, why don't mean sensitive. Yeah. No, no, but sensitive is sort of suggests

Sensitive is like, you know a teenager who's a little bit overweight and you really just don't want to bring it up You know that this is this is Empathetic that's that's Empathetic and not as you know when when people think negatively of things I do that I'm trying to make a positive difference with mm-hmm. I get very hurt. Yes, you get very hurt Yeah, yeah, so what's going on now? Obviously, somebody who's been through your,

well, I don't know if you want to call it a system, been on your show, been through treatment, has taken her own life, and that's very upsetting to you. Yeah, it's very upsetting to me, and it's sort of a mixed, first of all, she was a great lady. Feel bad for her, feel bad for her kids,

feel bad for her family. Kids. Yeah, two kids. Now, one of them, both mom and dad gone. Because her boyfriend committed suicide about a month before. I talked to her a couple of weeks ago. That's one of the kids.

One of the kids. Right, the other had a different father. The other one has a father who's talking about getting custody of both, but the grandparents have couple of weeks ago. That's one of the kids. One of the kids. Right, the other had a different father. The other one has a father who's talking about getting custody of both, but the grandparents have custody of both now. And the mom has been, the grandma has been taking care of the kids most of the time. But she, Mindy had been doing well, she regained custody,

she was getting a stable relationship, and then this guy unraveled and killed himself. Basically, a bipolar guy who wasn't taking his meds. That's basically what happened. I talked to a guy yesterday on HLN that sort of told the story, and it's what she told me too. And then she was in so much pain. I talked to her about two weeks ago.

I mean, the pain was like, you know, how do you live with that kind of pain? I convinced her to go to the hospital. She was so fearful of how people were gonna think about her and judge her and maybe consider her, you know, they were starting to talk about her as a potential sort of suspect in his death, because it was sort of suspicious and this and that,

and she, I convinced her to go to the psych hospital and that'd be confidential. One day later, the press put it everywhere, and then she left, and then she killed herself. So, now I'm angry that people who take care of themselves have to feel shitty about it and stigmatize and judge so much so they leave the hospital and die of their medical problem. It's really awful. Well what's, are you angry at the press? Yeah, I'm angry at our general attitudes about mental illness.

You know what I mean? If she had cancer, think about it. She had cancer, and I treated her cancer, and it recurred, people go, oh, of course, number one. And then number two, courageous. You're fighting the good fight. What courage and how to fight that disease. Supposed to she has a disease with the same prognosis,

happens to involve her brain, above her neck, happens to involve her brain, and it's like, oh my God, why didn't she, she can't conquer this stuff. Her demons are bigger than her, I mean, what? She has a brain disease. And she went back to take care of it, and we have to judge people for that? That I'm like, beside myself about.

Well, I mean, obviously the press in general is insane. Insanely brutal. And it's, there used to be a certain decorum. And look, I was, I did a Kevin and Bean show a couple days ago. And I said, look, you know, Alec Baldwin, everyone's all up Alec Baldwin's ass. And I said this, I said a hundred years ago, you would look down your nose at the guy who hid in the bushes outside of the senator's home or the actor's home or whoever's home.

It was disgraceful. It would be considered a very low form of life. And that person would be shunned from society. Now that person jumps out of a shrub or a trash can or from behind an alley, jumps in the face of the famous person, pop singer, actor, politician, starts asking questions, that famous person pushes them. Imagine Harry Truman. Harry Truman would punch him in the face. Truman would have punched him. Right? That's anybody named Harry would have punched him. The point is, and anyone with the last name, any

Truman or Roosevelt would have punched him, point is So said celebrity then goes on and says something Sometimes I hope you die or I'm gonna choke you or something racial or it's I'm gonna punch you or I do punch you and then society attacks the celebrity who's basically being first off Their image is being pro. They're profiting on their image without and there's no other set. There's no there's in Hollywood it's it's pretty it's pretty simple

somebody look up Chris Max Pata Brad Pitt did a campaign for Chanel. They didn't grab a picture of Brad Pitt and Photoshop a Chanel bottle to Brad Pitt. I'll bet you Brad Pitt got, if you can even find out, it wasn't a million. It wasn't three million. It was somewhere between five and ten million bucks. Just for his picture. Just to basically do that in a couple of spots where he talked about the scent of a woman. So

celebrities are used to being paid for endorsing things and then seven million dollars. What'd I say between five and eight or five and ten? You got it. I know my celebrities are worth. All right, Brad Pitt got $7 million. And then you could say to Brad Pitt, I'll give you $14 million, let's double it. I have a brand of candy cigarettes that I want you to pretend to be smoking one. I want one rolled up in your t-shirt sleeve. And he'd probably say no.

He'd probably say, I don't want to endorse candy cigarettes. It gets kids smoking. It's not good for my image. Okay, well I have a grape flavored fortified wine that I want you to and he'd probably say no and then I'd say how about tampons and he'd probably say no. So as a celebrity, maybe tampana Boss. As a celebrity, you choose, and some people, I don't think you can get Eddie Vedder to do anything. You can get Brad Pitt to do the right thing for the right money. Now, when it comes to the paparazzi, Eddie Vedder has no choice, and neither does Brad Pitt.

They're going to be filmed. And they're going to be profited off of. Of course they're going to be profited off of, otherwise there would be no business. Who are they selling these photos to? Who are they giving these pictures to? TMZ. TMZ has commercials they run. They're not a non-for-profit organization. They then show pictures of Pitt or Vedder or Baldwin and then they show commercials after that and they get ratings. And as I've said many times, what show has the biggest celebrities in the world on it? And you go, and you well Their modern family. I mean you got some no no no no TMZ TMZ has people who don't they have Beyonce. She doesn't she won't do a TV show They have folks that will they have they have a jammer onto a TV show. They require her to be on TV

Yeah, you you you have the family. You have people that are beyond, like I said, doing sitcoms and doing TV shows. Don't want to be on TV. Don't want to be on TV. Johnny Depp's not going on TV, but you put him on TV if you hide in the bushes. So I don't get the part where you're allowed to profit off of these people who do not consent to this. If they consent to it, and a lot of people say, oh well you know these celebrities just want to go out and get their picture in the paper, blah blah, that's Paris Hilton. That's her life. Alec Baldwin is not that person. He would like to be left alone,

whether it be on his marriage day or what as wedding day or whatever it is But isn't that what's most disturbing though? I mean we know Alec right? Yes. We know he's a good guy Well, he's aggressive. He gets a great all the balls Human being who comes from a place and in a time Where if you get in his grill He's gonna get in your grill. That's who he is. But all the brothers are kind of aggressive. They are.

They're just aggressive guys. That's what I was saying. They come from a place, and they grew up around each other with other like-minded folks. They weren't raised on a kibbutz on some property near Woodstock. They were brothers that fought, that got in people's faces and that's the way they

learned and grew up. But the fact that this guy that we know to be a decent human has to get what? Just destroyed by people? The world has to like, okay, now we got to destroy this guy? Well, that's... How does that work? Here's what I said, and this is where we're heading and this is what drives me insane I said if you did if you did a simple You know

chart graph online poll Who would score higher Christopher Dorner the cop the rogue cop that killed? Three people he killed one cop and then he just killed like a newlywed couple. Yeah, just the daughter of some guy. Yeah, and just wounded another cop. He's literally taken three young lives.

Yeah. Didn't break into an old person's home. Cold-blooded. Cold-blooded and killed the daughter, I don't know, in her 20s and someone else in their 20s, a cop in his 30s. Oh my God. This guy's killed three people,

average age 29 in two months or what have you. Or Alec Baldwin. Who would score higher right now on an online poll? Oh, and there's now demonstrations to stand with Dorner. Right, he's got a Facebook page. There's nobody standing with Baldwin. We are, we are.

Yeah, I'm standing with Baldwin. I don't give a shit what the guy says. I don't even care if it had a racial component to it. Get out of his face. Get out of his fucking face. Or cut him in. You are getting in his face. You are filming him and using his likeness.

I don't even understand where there is, I don't understand where the line is drawn, Drew. You're obviously, you're using his likeness to profit. Otherwise you just film other guys in their early 50s who are leaving their apartment building. You stand in front of an apartment building, you let 80 people leave, you film none of them because that guy's a podiatrist and this guy works at a deli, no need to film them, and then the recognizable guy comes out. Why? That's Alec Baldwin. Okay, good, let's film him, then let's use his

likeness, then let's tease it on our television program, and then let's use his likeness then let's tease it on our television program and then let's sell commercial ad space to big big-time Madison Avenue companies what what is there not to understand about that there's a you I could go to economics on a short bus filled with special needs kids and they could understand the economics of that. Next time you go to the SC Business School I can see what your talk's gonna be. Next time I go to the Marshall Business School. But why does Alec Baldwin not either or profit or do we need to get his consent? When I

used to do the Man Show if if people would literally, we'd do man on the street things, we'd talk to people on the street, and then when we were done they had to sign a release, otherwise it was not usable, and if they did not agree to sign the release, could not use their likeness. Why isn't the same extended to Alec Baldwin and other celebrities? And then people go... then people go along that say that they are public domain They're part of okay as I've said many times then okay people then jump in and go well. He's a celebrity he This is what he asked for he's a celebrity good Then I'm a celebrity. I want my garbage picked up twice a week

Where's my what I don't want to pay taxes. Last I talked to you, you wanted your own policeman. I want my own policeman. Where's my special celebrity stuff? Oh no, no, there's just the bad, there's just the downside. Where the tour bus pulls up in front of my house or whether I get hassled in the airport, there's that part but then I don't get the fun part. And by the way, they go, oh well what do you mean you don't get the fun part you go to the celebrity you go to the lounge the first guy that's because I bought a first-class ticket give me a first-class ticket by the way because you're celebrity you have to go there to avoid if you want to rest you got to go somewhere like that yeah you got a pay

probably don't but Baldwin does right yeah there you go So The he is worse than Dorner in people's opinions and we're now at a place where taking three lives is Somewhere, you know, yeah, he takes three lives. I don't I you know, you got to do, you know Do that bullshit where people go I don't endorse his actions, but you got to understand to do that bullshit where people go, I don't endorse his actions, but you gotta understand, he sort of cosmically, and the consciousness of the collective citizens of the United States

is probably a notch and a half above Baldwin right now. So, dig. By the way, I got that from you. I'm getting all these Twitters like, why do you say dig on your phone? It's like, really? You're gonna take after that too, huh? All right, anyway, dig.

Wanna deconstruct that? Because I got some thoughts. Okay, we gotta get back to McCready, but yes. You're making me feel better by not talking about it. But let me just, all right, let me go back to McCready for a second and just say that I have not seen Mindy in years. How many years?

09, I think is when I saw her. It's like three, was it four years almost? And I wish I could be think is when I saw her. It was like 3, 4 years almost. And I wish I could be responsible for what happened to her. The only time she ever contacted me was for help for other family members. And then most recently when I talked to her because the people around her were freaked out that she didn't seem right. And I convinced her to go to the hospital. And that's the conversation we had. How much of this is her disease

and her dependence on drugs? And then how much of this is a wiring that's, you know, I was saying the other night, certain people are pre-wired to take their life to a degree, I do believe. I mean, we all know people who would never kill themselves, although it'd be nice, but there are people that almost feel like they have a wiring

that basically says, if I string together a couple of really bad days, I may put a bullet in my head. If I get strung out on drugs, if I... No, you're right. There's actually genes that have been identified with suicidality, believe it or not. Oh, there's no doubt. Listen, I have a theory, I have my Darwinian theory that a certain amount of human beings were sort of made not to make it to the end and

not to reproduce. I know she has children, but what I'm saying is, I do believe that nature went, look, if everyone just comes out fucking like rabbits and cranks out a brood of kids. Too many. Too many. So, certain amount of population's gonna be gay, certain amount of population's just not gonna be able

to conceive, and a certain amount, gonna take their life or not gonna make it and or take their life before their 20th birthday. The question then becomes what's the evolutionary purpose of that group that doesn't make it? And some people say that they're the canary in the coal mine. They're like they're super sensitive ones that the rest of us look to and go whoa whoa there must be a lion out in the bush because look at Suzy she's freaking out. You know what I mean? It's an interesting idea.

Interesting. So I've heard those kinds of theories. What the hell are we talking about? I'm so disturbed. You're getting a lot of crap. Well, I'm getting a lot of crap. And my thing is, here's what pisses me off about the exploitation thing. Let's narrow this down. They do a month long consent process. They're grown ups. They know what they're getting into. To do your program. They get paid, many of them more than me. They get great treatment. We

offer it ongoing for free afterwards. They feel really good about it. Nobody feels exploited. I guess, don't you have to feel exploited to have been exploited? Well, I say, please ask the patients, just please ask the patients before you get high and mighty and declare what was happening to the patients. You know what I'm saying? I received a whole shitload of comments yesterday from the people that feel great about their treatment. Heidi Fleiss sent me a great comment yesterday. I mean, she was delightful. A whole, like a dozen of them sent really lovely letters in. Her bird did that, actually. No, she didn't.

She did. She brought it up. Via carrier pigeon or? Yeah, strangely enough, I didn't know what that was. You're right. She's living with a thousand macaws in Pahrump. All right, here's what I'm saying. We cannot distill things down to the truth

and the essence anymore. We have given up on that part of our brain that is used for deductive reasoning and we've rely only on the part that's about feelings. And I'll get back again to more primitive part to this Dorner thing, which is he was in a cabin. He says, you're not going to take me alive. He was armed to the teeth.

He already killed one officer and two other people earlier, but then one officer in this exchange of gunfire and wounded another. So first things first. Look, I don't give a shit if you throw a Molotov cocktail into the cabin. He's already killed one person whose life is worth more. the taxpaying, law-abiding officer with the family who's trying to do what's right by protecting society or the guy who's gone on the killing rampage. You know what I mean? So first off, let's just go ahead and assign numbers to people. I think we can understand that Bill Gates is probably a little better than

Charles Manson in terms of do we need him on the planet or don't we need him on the planet. How much good is he doing? What's he paying into the system? What's he taking out of the system? You know what I'm saying? You're talking about Worth as a contributor. And we're sitting around going, well, maybe if they'd taken a Chinook helicopter and wrapped some chains around the cabin and then lifted it up and then flown it into Guantanamo Bay and then put it in a hot tub, eventually he would have gotten out of that. Yeah. Or light it on fire and let him make a decision.

You see, you don't light him on fire, light the cabin on fire. And then he can decide whether he'd like to come out of the cabin or not. That will be his decision. If he would like to put his gun down, put his hands up, and walk out the front door of the cabin that's burning, then they would follow policy. But he chose to eat a bullet. And I'm sure he ate a bullet before the cabin caught on fire, maybe he did it while the

cabin caught on fire. Maybe he lit the cabin on fire. My thing is there is no reason to even send in a police dog or one of my beloved attack crows. Why have another one of God's creatures possibly killed or injured to save this madman? And it's all up to him. The cabin is on fire. If you would like to surrender and walk out, we will then follow procedure. And you can write many novels from inside the joint and get a nice following and by the way many marriage proposals

Oh, I'm sure there would have been many many there many a Peroxide blonde who was 240 pounds who snapped a pencil Like living in Simi Valley when they heard he was not going into the joint because they were gonna gobble him up now somehow going into the joint because they were going to gobble him up. Now, somehow the cops who fired that in there, well, they've got to answer some hard questions. Really? Not for me. Homicidal madman who already killed one of your own. What more do you need to know than killed one of your own and wounded another?

That's it. Set on fire. Dec another. That's it. Set on fire, decision, leave or not. You ask the patients, would you like to get world-class treatment for your disease and get paid to do it or not? Answer of course- And unlimited ongoing care. And unlimited ongoing care. If you want. Answers yes, and nobody who was suffering with addiction in this country who wanted

help would think any differently than that. This would be the greatest windfall, godsend, manna from heaven in their life as a civilian, as a guy who was just a steel worker, an iron worker who was trapped in addiction. Well, that's what it seemed like, the ones that came on the rehab show, the non-sleppers seemed like they got that because they were so grateful for the treatment. Right.

They were really grateful. All right, so here's the thing. Look, when Ty Pennington, who's not a real carpenter, goes to the black family in Mississippi with a special needs kid who has allergies to gluten and rebuilds the house in a gluten-free kingdom. Nobody says they're exploiting that family. That family gets a free house.

And by the way, if that's being exploited, come on down. Move that bus. And again, it's the stigma of addiction and mental illness that people are responding to and don't even know it, right? Yeah, it's because oh that should be oh, we can't no no what if was a show about cancer, right? That'd be well exit. What if this show about a poor black family that couldn't afford to build a new house Whose roof was rotting in well, you're using them For ratings, but you're helping them. Yeah, is that exploitation?

They're the subject of the show, but if you're helping them I mean and they they choose to do it now you could say I could say this an imbalance like they're You know, maybe that it's it's so enticing that they can't not do it and then they regret it But they don't regret it is the thing. Yeah, you know, I alright so but listen Drew You must Yeah. All right. So, but listen, Drew, you must thicken your skin up a little bit because we now live in a society where it used to, we've gone batshit. I mean, we've completely and utterly gone batshit. It's all words and I don't remember when words counted for so much. You know, I mean, it's like, I hate gays, I'm homophobic. Yes, I'm racist, I'm everything else.

For what? What did I do? What actions did I ever take? What is going on? You know, where are we at? And does anyone really believe it? You see, that's my point. I don't think anyone really believes it. It's really just a fringe nutjobs who believe it. Now, it's up to the television shows and the news outlets to propagate this bullshit. In order to capture eyes. Sure. They don't believe it. So they're exploiting. They're exploiting. They're exploiting.

Yes. They do the exploiting. Right. They exploited Mindy, she's dead. They exploited her story, confidential health care in a psychiatric hospital. They exploited it, now she's dead. Right. Okay.

Got it. Check. But they don't give, look, back to Baldwin. He's calling his daughter a little piggy But they don't give, look, back to Baldwin. He's calling his daughter a little piggy. They don't give a shit. They have daughters they haven't seen in years. And everyone understand, every parent understands the daughter,

not my boy, but the daughter that drives them to the edge and then they blow up on him. He didn't lay a hand on her. Mama was probably using daughter like a pawn and driving him insane and he has a crazy schedule and he's proud call says he's you know does one of those things where I'm gonna call you at 1 p.m. your time that's 4 p.m. my time because we have a break filming and then she didn't pick up the phone you know and he way he, he lost it, right.

Big fucking whoop, by the way. There's many, give you an example, many dads that aren't around at all. Forget about criticizing their daughters, they're not there to say anything, and they're certainly there to cut a check. They're just gone. I mean, you take the media, you take what's

going on in the black community with the fathers and the 70% of them being born out of wedlock and all the violence and all the things that go along with that. There's no judgment going on in that community. Not from the media standpoint. No judgment going on. But what Alec Baldwin does to his daughter, that's front page news. That we need to really get into. Let's deconstruct. Here's what I think basically. I think we've become so primitive. We are like the Aztecs or pre-revolutionary France. You talking about the minivan? No.

Where we make somebody royalty, and then we throw them in the volcano. This is our virgin, this is our prince, this is our king, this is somebody from God, got one year to live. And then we're all going to throw them in the volcano. And that makes us feel galvanized and together and whole in some kind of primitive fucked up way. Right. So by looking at one that we've elevated, we've made Aleppo, you know, we've done it. We've made him somebody we observe.

I would argue his blue eyes did it. We liked his blue eyes. Yeah. Liked. And now though we are so involved in destroying people. Not just judging, destroying. Right? Yeah, well that's the plan. But it's the human sacrifice. It's human sacrifice. It's the same thing. It's what they did with the guillotine.

It's what the Aztecs did with the volcano and the chopping people's heads off and tearing their hearts out. Same phenomenon, same. Yeah, yeah. No, for me, you see, for me, it's all pragmatism and numbers. Just try to figure out what's going on. Alec Baldwin yelling at his six foot tall, blonde haired, beautiful, gonna go on and marry a soccer star from Europe when she's done with her runway career, a model of a daughter who's rich.

Not part of the problem for me. Not something I have to worry about. Not an issue. Just not an issue. Now, dads siring multiple kids, not hanging around and raising them, that's an issue for me because that becomes a problem that I have to pay for, essentially, or we have to pay for as a society. So I'm not interested in the personal goings on

of an individual and his daughter. I wouldn't talk to my daughter that way unless she was asking for it. I gave her a little tug on the hair the other day. Oh, we had a huge deal out of it. Oh my god. Did she call Child Protective Services? She could if she knew the number. I told her I gave her the number

for Child Protective Services and I gave her my cell number. So every once in a while it rings and she's like, daddy pull my hand. And I go, hello Child Protective Services. And then she goes, your daddy's a hero. He's a super funny hero. And if he pulled your hair little girl, well that meant you were asking for it.

Now, go pray to your son's teddy bear. And I hang up. Now, I was trying to give her a kiss. She was fending me off with a hairbrush. She was using a hairbrush like a weapon. This is what she's done now. When you try to kiss her, she uses fending me off with a hairbrush she was using a hairbrush like a weapon you're this is what she's done that we try to kiss her she's the hair brush and had the hairbrush and bristle side out by the way business side I would try to kiss her right I was trying to give her a kiss and she was trying to

whack me and I'm not talking about the roller hairbrush I'm talking about the the porcupine one the tough one this one caused damage you'll you'll tear a retina this This bad boy. And she's whatever. And I said, oh, give me a kiss over here. And she said, nah. She's swinging. And she's like a bird.

She just goes, ah. She's just like, she'll squeal, you know. And I said, give me a kiss. Like a dinosaur. And I grabbed her hair and I gave it a tug. And then I sort of pulled her head back a little and I kissed her on the forehead. And she went, ow. And I said, it was supposed to the forehead and she went, ow! And I said it was supposed to hurt and she went, oh! And that for the rest, by the way, the day

after that she's standing there with old guy come walking in the room he put that daddy pulled my hair and he hurt me like it's such a... going insane. We're going insane. Hey gentlemen. With all this shit. Yeah, all three of you. Call Child Check Services. I have an obligation to report. Yeah Listen Taker. I'll fucking make that room into my train room train room. That's right. That's your new thing. I'm model I'll be like the Adams family I have my train room and I blow it up. Yeah, you know confessor. Let's sit up there fine all right, uh my train room and I blow it up. Yeah, Uncle Fester is listed up there. Fine. All right.

Uh, look, if you, uh, if you like what you hear and, and, and, I want to get more into this cause I want to make, uh, I don't want to drew to feel bad about this. I know. Well, you keep bringing it up. I keep feeling, well, it'd be funny. I don't make me feel better. It'll, it'll, it's, it's, it's, it's, I, I, it'll be cathartic. That's, that's,'s what that's what it'll be look if you want to support the show And I know you do you can donate by clicking through the PayPal donation button and also click through the Amazon link on the Adam and Drew page at

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Back with the great doctor. Dr. Drew heavy heart mixed feelings today mixed feelings Well, what I mean is is you're angry and you're upset. You're hurt, you feel bad for, again, the children of Mindy McCready for sure, and Mindy as well, and anyone connected with the family. But also then the way the press loves to feast on this stuff. No matter what they do with their face or their tone when they're talking about it, they're secretly, wow, good news, somebody took their own life. Got a lead story for tonight. Yeah, we don't have to talk about one of the fucking Kardashians for a change.

This is good times. Yeah, and somehow, again, we've decided that feelings are more important than actions. It's this, you know, it's like these assholes that drive around with the bumper stickers that say, end war. Really? Yeah, go ahead, douche. Where were you during World War II?

We could have really used you. Yeah, the French and China and England and all the people that are being firebombed and put in ovens and gulags and work camps. They really could have used you back then. Where were you back then? Yeah, just declared. Oh man, you and John Lennon, such fucking heroes for just declaring end war. Yeah, how about you tell all the asswipes in the Middle East to stop fucking lobbing

rockets everywhere and blowing up Pizza joints, but they'll listen to that And war fuck you That's all thing we turn in it. Hey, uh, I got a bumper sticker says end war so I'm cool No, you know the guys are cool The guys are actually trying to end wars by putting themselves in harm's way not you who've just declared that that it's no good that's that's that's a fine that's it's a fine concept if there was nobody I mean listen we should end

cancer we should end AIDS we should end insurance fraud fighting yelling we should end everything except for... Pulling your daughter's hair. Huh? I've got to double down on that. There's people out there that want to continue with this. So you declaring... By the way, we won't talk about where that all comes from. We ain't going to talk about that.

Yeah. Talking about the 70s? Well, that and the family systems and the abuse of kids and raising kids and being available parents and all the stuff that makes People not aggressive and violent. Oh, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, we never want to get into that never not not not the news Again, not even in the world. I mean, no, it's just one and war. Yeah, right, right, right, right Yeah, no, I've or blame video games Which by the way, there was a great study came out recently that showed people that when people play when violent movies come out crime goes down. Well look... Because people that commit violent crimes like those films and step on into them. Nothing... And maybe

get a catharsis maybe the Greeks had it right catharsis in drama. Well yeah like you watch somebody getting killed and you sort of get it out of your system. That's what the Greeks were at, right? Look, it drove me nuts the other day because, or the other week, because these people that are supposed to be reporting on problems and situations avoid the crux of the matter and if it's a killing rampage they focus on gun control but not not mental not mental illness and it always drives me nuts it's always brought up a little bit but it's never the parents are rarely discussed the society the family whatever it is they they focus on this shit that happened afterward,

not the stuff that precipitated that, that led us to these events, because they're scared, they're cowards, and mainly hypocrites. All right, Dustin, wife is depressed or lazy? Let's get into that. Dustin? Yes, sir. What's going on? Hey, it's Andrew. Good to hear you guys. You're get into that. Dustin? Yes sir. What's going on?

Hey, it's Andrew. Good to hear you guys. You're some kind of magic together. Thank you. Bring that roadshow to Seattle. Invitus? Invitus. We're coming to Salt Lake City, Vegas, Denver, Redondo Beach, and Napa.

It's kind of weird going to Napa but not Seattle. Well, I'm doing a race. Oh. Okay, I should have figured there was something. I got a place called Sears point over there buddy fair enough Alright, well sometime you and Dennis are great up there. He's been thank you So my question is my wife we've been married about three years now And I'm trying to determine if she has legitimate depression or if it's just some kind of lazy that I can't get around

or if it's just some kind of lazy that I can't get around. It's just not doing household things and occasionally just sits there and I can just see this gloom on her face and it just seems like there's nothing that gets her out of it. And it'll be a day at a time, you know, the next day she'll be fine or a week of good and then just one day of bad or two days of bad.

It's real difficult to get to the bottom of. Well, I have many thoughts on this. I don't know, you see, it's lazy or depression, but I do believe they sort of feed off of each other and sort of crate each other. I don't know, it starts as lazy, it becomes depression, or it starts as depression. To me, depression manifests itself in lazy. And we aren't doing ourselves any favors by removing the mandate that says you must get it on. Meaning, look, if we're trapped on an island, there's no such thing as lazy. You're either gathering firewood all day or you're freezing

that night. You're dying, yeah. You're dying that night. So you can sit around and be as lazy as you want, but you're gonna die. So you go get firewood. And I would bet you that people that are in very difficult situations are rarely depressed and almost never lazy. Because if you don't get off that beach in Normandy, you're gonna get shot by a German pillbox. At least it's different, manifests differently. Yeah, so- More of a paralysis. What's going on now, I'm assuming, if she can sit around all day, it's because it's

possible. It's financially possible for her to sit around all day. Well, but you know, we're in circumstance. I mean, look, it sounds like depression, right? It does sound like depression. Well, but you know, we're in circumstance. I mean, look, it sounds like depression, right? It does sound like depression. Well, but hold on. I did bring her in to just a general practitioner. Yeah.

They did a little survey, and they said, and she sounded like she had depression. And they immediately just put her on Zoloft, just right there. Let me, let me, let me. It just seemed a little strange to do that one visit. Well, listen, let me just say, that right there is the crux of so much of the problem with the treatment of particularly depression. Primary care people with no training or limited training are the ones doing all the prescribing.

Why not take her to a psychiatrist and get an expert to evaluate it? Maybe she has a frontal lobe tumor. Maybe she has seasonal affective disorder. Well hang on, maybe she has premenstrual dysphoric disorder. Each treated differently. Listen, how about you take her to a park and tell her to run some fucking laps. Well, right, exercise and classical music will measure up. Somebody just sent me a tweet that said a study came out that said exercise is more powerful than actually taking the drugs, which is another

thing that this person that was thrown out of junior college has been saying for years, it measures up better. It measures up with classical music especially. With classical music really? Yeah, that's music and exercise, that's you, yeah. Everybody listen to me! Don't worry, they do. Everybody!

How dare anyone disagree with me? To the robots, I'm sorry I'm reinforcing all this behavior. I'm sorry. But they really put classical music in on that? Yeah. Jesus Christ. It's all over. Is there a specific type for it?

No, just a... I googled it to try and find one local and there's just so many different letters after the end of it. MD. Psychiatrist. MD psychiatrist. Wait a minute. You have one of the best psychiatric departments in the country at the University of Washington

up there. Let me ask you this. What do you do for a living and what does she have to do? I travel quite a bit. I work on computerized cutting equipment. So she's home. She does have a job. It's only 10, 15 hours a week. She doesn't have to work if she doesn't want to. It's just something to fill some time. Before you go, let's just before I forget, listen to the podcast I did with John Sharp. It's on, you can get it at DrDrew.com. That podcast goes into great detail about what you need, you know, difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist, because I'm stunned that somebody highly educated like yourself

doesn't know that difference. It's stunning to me. And at least you had the good sense to know that maybe primary care shouldn't be taken care of. All right, but let me pose a bigger question, Drew. In a society now where either because one spouse is earning enough for the two of them or the government is earning enough for the one of them, where you don't have to go collect the proverbial firewood. For one of the spouses. Yeah, or both or whatever usually. But the point is you don't have to.

You know, we never, see, there's a lot of stuff going on in our psyche that I don't think we planned on as a society, as the animal known as human beings. Right. We never, there was never a time in history or at least when the masses where one partner or an individual could literally just not do every anything all day and eat and have a television and be entertained and go out and shop and do whatever and not have to collect the firewood. In a way it's like an animal zoo. It takes its spirit out.

Yeah, till the soil, harvest, whatever, milk the cows. Well now we have that. We have that times millions. Now it used to be, well there's the elite and there's the people that are aristocracy, but everybody else. That sun comes up, you're going to fucking work. I don't care if you got titties or balls, you're getting up and you're going to work when that sun comes up and I'll tell you how long you work until the sun goes down and then you start cooking. All right.

Now, hey man, if you're not feeling it today, then you ain't feeling it. Well, what are the chances that a lot of people won't be feeling it? I'd say they're pretty high. It's something to contend with. It's something to contend with. It's something to deal with. If you would have got hold of me when I was 19 and asked me if I was feeling it, Not so much. Not so much. What are my choices here? Well, you can get on your motorcycle and you can drive out to LA and downtown and dig some ditches for seven bucks an hour, while some guy who worked on a minesweeper in Vietnam who strung out on pain meds yells your last easy day was yesterday.

Ever last? No, this guy's name is Mike. Or you can hang out, play some video games and you'll be fine. I wouldn't be feeling it. I would be hanging out, given that choice. Now I've built myself up and to become the kind of person that realizes it's better to get up and out, it's better to get that day's work in.

I feel better about myself. But if you'd ask me if I wanted to just rip a bong load and play some video games or watch my stories around the house, get a little caught up on some of those housewives in Beverly Hills and what's going on with their lives, I'd do it. I would have done it and I don't even think it's a male or female thing. I think it's if somebody's gonna go out and earn and he's gonna earn enough for the two of you and the other doesn't

have to and there's no mandate, it'd be nice, it'd be nice if you got up with the Sun and milk the proverbial cows, but you do what you gotta do, that'll be up to you, I'm going to work. But isn't there, most relationships, there is a kind of division of labor. I brought this up on a previous podcast that, listening to Emory University,

people wanted to know what this was, Emory University Mind Culture in the Brain, I think it was called, series, they were talking about how Neanderthals may have not survived because there was no separation of male-female job duties, like there was no specialization between the men and the women.

But most couples, they're both taking care of business. You know what I mean? It's not like somebody's, unless somebody's depressed, right? Well, yeah, but here's the point. You and I and others have a man date, which is you must be in Denver on this date and deliver these services. And then the following weekend,

you must be here at this theater last weekend, the Libero Theater, Santa Barbara, this time. But when both members of a couple last weekend the libero theater Santa Barbara this time but when we deliver those they both members of a couple are engaged in that kind of schedule guess what happens to the relationship doesn't do very well I'm saying no I'm saying if somebody said to me Lynette's gonna go to the barro theater you can sit at home yeah do what you got to do I might get some work done but I might not I'd be a little back and forth with it I don't know what time at

the mandate not the separation of duty so much what I'm saying is is we are giving people the choice of would you or met more people historically than ever had this choice before would you like to go gather the firewood, or would you like to hang back at camp and take a spin in the hammock? And by the way, for a while, if you feel up to it, you can go get some more firewood, and then you can come back and hit the hammock again. Just chill. Now, obviously, yes, there was always a separation of sort of duties. I mean mean I saw a little house on the prairie Michael Landon went and did his thing over at the sawmill and then his wife was down at the river washing the clothes, but

There's no more river. Yeah, we have a clothes of a clothes washer and dryer and possibly a chick to do it for you So now we have a different situation and I'm not claiming that I wouldn't be on the sofa either. I'd definitely be watching my shows. How do we deal? Well then I think the depression comes in because I think it's a muscle that needs to be worked. Well there's both, there's both. I mean I saw it in my mom, she was depressed,

she got a stipend from the state and she never left the house. And she's probably never going to leave the house. The first thing you do, I believe, is you ask something of these people. You ask them to do things. You say to them, here's what I'm going to do. Hang on a second. Both you and I. And here's what I need you to do.

But both you and I have been depressed in our life, right? Yeah. Enough that if somebody came up and said, hey dude, let's get going. Like you, when you kicked my ass after the panic attack I had when we were filming Love Line on TV, it worked when I was having a panic attack. I'm not sure it would have worked when I was in a depression. Because you're in a state. You want to try it?

You're depressed now. Yeah, I'm getting there. All right. Let's get going, dude. But I think I can do that now. I've done it enough times. But back when I was a teenager or a young adult, I'm not so sure. You know what I'm saying?

In fact, let me tell you something. One of the things that happened to me when I was in college when I was depressed, I'm paying a tax, some primary care guy goes, you need to get together, take walks in the woods. I was like, Jesus, I would, if that would help. For Christ's sake, I'm suffering here. And it was so awful. I think it's what made me interested in mental health and helping young people with their

mental health too, because I was handled so poorly. Mm-hmm. I was like, shit, I don't want anybody else to deal with this. Interesting. And the guy was just saying, hey, you got to get it on. That's all he was saying. I was like, I happily would. I, listen, I think there are people that are severely depressed. They need medication. They need their therapy. Yes. need medication, they need their therapy. And then there's almost everyone else. And almost everyone else can kind of go either way and I would have in the past

and might still include myself in that group, which is why winning the lottery is the worst thing that could ever happen to one of your kids. There is, I've seen people, I've seen incredible acts of strength and dignity and endurance and I've seen incredible acts of lethargy from the same person even in myself. So I know what's within all of us is the ability, I don't want to sound like Anthony Robbins here, but the ability to do great things or the ability to sit on the sofa. So at the very least you want to give people that can the inspiration to do so, and maybe give it a shot. Yeah, which is basically, it's my little loving kick in the ass and say, you know what,

guess who'll feel better about themselves if they get going and get crack-a-lackin'? No, you will. You, the person, will. Let me just tell you that when you're in that state, and I'm flashing back to when I was in that state, you feel like it's an insurmountable task. Like it's insurmountable. And I little remember when I sort of changed direction

in my life and decided it was time to get my shit together, it looked like a wall. I was facing a wall, I literally of changed direction in my life and decided it was time to get my shit together, it looked like a wall. I was facing a wall, I literally had this image in my mind of a wall that went to infinity, like into the sky. And I thought, all right, well I just gotta put a peg in here and just start climbing that fucking wall. Just one peg at a time. And it turns out the military, a friend of mine

is a military guy, when they train on completing tasks that seem undoable, insurmountable, you just start, now you start with a simple triumphs. You just start, boom, simple thing, little things. Just start moving forward. That's it. Yeah. Look, I've written two books and I can't spell or read.

I mean, and I'm the longest thing, I failed Driver's Ed because they wanted a 10 page report and I wasn't capable of doing it I wouldn't turn it in I couldn't do it I've written obviously the help of Mike Lynch Books there was over 300 pages. That's insane. I've never done that high school I wrote I wrote nine report dictated to well to me. Well, there was work involved that involved verbiage. There was something other than working in cars. The point is this.

You liked doing it, therefore it was work. The point is this. I could not sit down. I read the Phantom Tollbooth. I wrote nine book reports on the Phantom Tollbooth that lasted me from the fifth grade all the way into high school because I was too lazy to read a second

book. And I modified my book reports as I got older, but it was the same book. You know what's so funny? I'm told that. Now I've written two books and I will write a third. Why? Because I broke myself down, I started up that wall, and I understand how it works. That's right. That's right. All right. It's just comedy here. So I'm not being cruel when I'm telling people. You're trying to be inspirational.

I get it. Not even inspirational. You're trying to get an option that maybe if you can do. I'm trying to help you. For those that can. For those that... Give it a shot. Yes!

Look at me as a personal trainer. I'm not going to take a guy who's in a wheelchair and dump him on the ground and then throw a barbell on his head and go get busy. I'm looking at you. You're able-bodied. Now let's get to work. You know, the comedy here is when I made a comment about you dictating your book. I could see on Max Appadis' face like, how do you talk to him like that? He looked like, oh my God, he's speaking to directly to Mr. Kroll, look him in the eye. Oh, shut up. He never gets old.

He never gets old. But I see it on them. It never gets old. It never gets old. You never you never get so never get so I see it on them Oh, it never gets old. It never gets old except let's this this concept that the people at work here are scared of me Absolutely insane who wants to come in here in a minute? See they're scared of you Mike Lynch Here we go. How many times have I asked you for the week and rage topics for Kevin and Bean and there

was a you an unrageful guy by the way, no rage in Adam. There was a time we can rage. There was a time when you may have missed two out of Four weeks or five weeks or something like that. What was my response to you each time? You beat the shit out of me. That's right Okay, but he was begging for it and no more fear I guess mm-hmm not fearful anymore the other two certainly haven't seen that aren't afraid. Mm-hmm. What was my response? No, it was it was fine It was and there was an investigation of whether there were email issues and then it was a shit

Well, just a questioning and then I terrogate admitted that I dropped the ball and it wouldn't happen again And then sir again, mr. Kroll and happen again two weeks later. What was my reaction? That was when you smacked me. No, it was really it was it was not a big deal. But here's why Cuz you you know, these guys perform. You know what I mean? You know it's not that they're, you know what I mean? They're really actually doing the best they can. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I think there's also too, if I can just jump in, for me and Adam and our relationship, he doesn't really need to beat me up because I beat myself up before it happens. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. I know. I get it. That's what I like. That's what he appreciates. See, that's why he and I get along too, by the way. That's right. Yeah. All right. Should we get back to phones? Still see the fear in your eyes though. Don't you see it in my mind, Dr.?

Joe Hey, what's going on, Jeff? Not much. Thanks for taking the call, guys. Big fan. And Dr. Drew, I just want to say to you, as someone who had an addict, as a mother who never got help, and ultimately killed her, God bless you for trying to help these people who don't want to help themselves.

Thanks, Joe. Thank you, I appreciate that. All these voters can go to hell. Question. My question is, and it's kind of similar to the first caller, my wife has diagnosed depression. She's on Zoloft and we've been together for about four years and she's always exhibited cutting behavior. There are times she'll go for months on end and

will be great and won't happen but then there are other will get the fight and that's what she runs to and is there anything that can kind of purpose prominently or is it just kind of going to be you know what issue we have to deal with because it's something i'm worried about you know eventually when we have kids deal with because it's something I'm worried about, you know, eventually when we have kids, you know, our kids start seeing her do that. Right, interesting question. The fact that you had a mom who's an addict, make me wonder whether your wife, you'd be attracted to addicts. Is your wife an addict?

Did I lose him? I lost him. I think he lost him. Alright, well let me address the cutting. Let me address the cutting. She, they're in their late 20s, she's still a cutter. The way to think about cutting is cutting is a primitive bid for emotional regulation. Is that an understandable statement?

Yeah, it is. Yeah. So in other words, just like starvation or vomiting or doing drugs is an attempt to regulate emotions, cutting is a very primitive way to try to feel better. Some people get high when they cut, some people dissociate when they cut, some are brought out of dissociation when they cut. I would look at it as just controlling a feeling, which is right now I'm going to feel the sting of this razor

blade on my inner thigh and that is what I will feel now. That's a better feeling than what I'm feeling. And I can control it. I'm in, right, I'm regulating. I can regulate that, I can't regulate my internal feelings. And it's primitive. So you ask is there some sort of permanent solution, it does have sort of a chronic quality to it like eating disorder,

so it may not be completely manageable. But the idea is long-term intensive therapy. She's undoubtedly a trauma survivor, as are you with the addict mom and stuff. And again, that's why she's unregulated and she can't regulate herself. She had trauma as a kid. And go ahead and get her into long-term therapy

and with the ability, increasing capacity for regulation that comes with therapy, the cutting should settle down. And no kids until she is regulated, nicely regulated. I think that's smart. All right, let's do one more question. Let's see, what's MDMA? Ecstasy. Oh, it's ecstasy.

I should know that one. What about that?asy. Oh, it's ecstasy. Yeah. I should know that one. What about that? I want to know if it's... Let's get him on. ... fantasy, initially thought. Nate? Oh, he's calling, he's rolling from Rochester.

Remember when we had our big argument about Rochester? What's wrong with Rochester? Nothing's wrong with it. Drew and I were on a plane. What's that? Hold on, what happened? Well, it would have been solved if we had GoToMeeting back in the day. You were talking about New York and I was talking about Minnesota

or vice versa and we're arguing about where it was. And we're getting it because that's why we can't, okay, maybe we'll bring that up later. Start hosting face-to-face online meetings today with GoToMeeting free. That's right, free. 30 days free. GoToMeeting.com. Click on the try it free button and use the promo code Adam. Yeah, we were doing this thing where it's like we're talking about like time zones or which state or which city was closer to Buffalo or something like that. And I was going Rochester is. And then you were arguing.

There was something about Mayo Clinic or something too was in the conversation. Either way, you were looking at the Rochester, New York. I was thinking of the one in Minnesota. And that's why, again, let's get the toughest dude from the Rochester, Minnesota, toughest dude from one in New York, put him in a cage. And the other town pussy burg spring Springfield

Watch that fight wouldn't you yeah Salem mass Salem, Oregon. I mean it just keeps going I didn't even know the guy or not sure that's me buddy. Yeah, Hollywood, Florida. You the whole season was right Yeah, all right. So what about the X there, Nate? Yeah, I was wondering specifically for Dr. Drew. I've listened to you guys for way more than a decade now and MDMA back in the early 2000s, there was a lot of controversy that had burnt holes in the brain and and whatnot. Since then, there's been a bundle of research that

come out that it's really not that bad and the original study that all that is based off of turns out to be false. It was methamphetamine. It was mislabeled MDMA. It was actually methamphetamine. I'm wondering what your take on the whole situation. Well, you know, the literature goes back and forth. So the risk is something, obviously, because they keep finding something. It just does not consistent what they're finding. And I can tell you for sure, and this is the part that I rely upon, which is my clinical experience, people end up with severe depressions and sometime memory problems. The question, though, that has not been answered is who gets that? If there's no, there's absolutely categorically no doubt in my mind that happens.

It does. It happens from acid, it happens from MDMA, but it really seems to reliably happen from even moderate use of MDMA, but not in everybody. That's right. And in some, limited use has this problem, and some, massive use doesn't have the problem. So it's unclear unclear I wouldn't want to play that Russian roulette game with my brain I got limited enough capacity such as it is I wouldn't want to make my mood issues worse basically as I've always said and Adam's heard me say this a billion times there's no free lunch in Mother Nature if you go extraordinarily high in one direction you might be undermining the other. You might be in the air, depending on the other. Right. So it's basically like this.

You want to take half a Xanax and wash it down with half a glass of white wine. You'll get mildly jacked up, but probably not going to burn too many brain cells. We're not going to stop breathing. You want to trip on acid for the entire Burning man, whatever, and just be fucking high as a kite for a week, it's probably going to be a little more of a fiddler to pay. But it makes sense. It just makes sort of neurological sense. You want to get blasted out of your brain and do it for prolonged periods of time, you

might do a little more damage But I mean physically your whole body's that way meaning look You want to fuck around and have a little pick up foot pick up basketball game? That's fine You might roll an ankle you'll have a little bit of fun playing basketball. You may roll ankle You want to go extreme skiing you want to be airlifted to the top of mountain you may die Yeah, if you you will have more have more fun, but you may die. It's a sort of a physical trade-off. The universe is sort of created that way, but let me just give you a quick little synopsis of one of the theories of how this damage happens.

Mostly with amphetamine, this has been shown. Amphetamine, neurochemicals, the neurotransmitters are in these little packets called vesicles. One of the way methamphetamine works is pushing those vesicles to the surface to release more chemical. It turns out the vesicles start dysfunctioning after periods of use. They don't reform normally so the neurotransmitter which normally sits in those those bubbles starts leaking out or existing in the free in the cytoplasm of the cell and free in the cytoplasm it turns into a free radical and as a free radical it goes up towards the cell body and destroys DNA and kills the cell cause apoptosis

And they always hear about cancer and free radicals as well free radicals are damaging chemical It's a highly polarized damaging. All right, we will Toxin at if they would just draw me a picture of a toxin when they tell me what a toxin is Then I'll know what they're talking. Hey, dude, I know a toxin when I feel it, okay? So you want to support the show again you can go to the Amazon link at the Adam and Drew page at adamcroll.com and again if you'd like to donate, Drew he's going to have to he is going to have to get some therapy. That's true.

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