The Adam and Dr. Drew Show - Radio Is Dead (The Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics)

Episode Date: June 8, 2024

Adam and Dr. Drew talk about how radio is on a steady decline and is on a slow death, along with how the economy is bad with no fix in sight.

Welcome to another edition of the Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics. I'm your host Big Brother Jake and as always we have a great show for you. First up, episode 250 titled The Radio Industry which aired on June 27, 2015. Adam breaks down the radio industry and Wyatt's doomed to fail and won't recover. He's quite the fortune teller. Listen to Adam Wax poetic on this topic. They also take your calls. Radio does not understand the difference between Jimmy Kimmel and Ricky Rachman.

As a matter of fact, they prefer Ricky Rachman. Radio does not understand the difference between Adamcroll and Danny Bonaduce. They kind of prefer Bonaduce. That's why they're doomed to fail. Literally, Jimmy was told to shove off of every radio station he was at, and when he finally got together with me in the biggest radio station in the world, they still didn't see the difference between him and Ricky Rachman. If you can't see the difference between Jimmy Kimmel and Ricky Rachman, and I don't mean this as a

pejorative to Ricky Rachman, just different, well no different better but different if you want to make money, if you don't see the difference between those two guys in terms of your company making money, you're fucked. And they don't, and they never did. And they still don't, by the way. Now, I would argue, my program director over at KBC, I would argue, gets it. Okay. I want you to tell me. I want you to beat him, you tell me. Everybody better get it now well I

think is it interesting though that's maybe one reason everyone gets it because they're forced to get it in 2015 because they're getting their ass handed to them but they didn't fucking get it in 1995 or 2000 well one of the one of the moves on radio is to get rid of talent all together just do the computer run the music whatever it is they they wanted to get rid of talent altogether in the 90s. I was told Jimmy was not on air talent. I would argue Kevin of Beans is one of the best farm leagues in history of radio. Just generating, throwing out talent.

Jimmy's not there, I'm not there. Yeah, but it throws out talent. Yeah, but they leave. No, but that's what a farm, right? Isn't that what it is? No, you're supposed to develop them for the Yankees organization, not to go off and play for other teams and go do other things. Then maybe it's a training ground.

I used to say to the radio guys, whatever, I'd say, hey, go down to the groundlings and scout some talent, you know, and they'd go, what? What are the groundlings? And I'd go, go down. When I did mornings, we had a chance to get on in San Diego, market we were always super popular in. Yeah. And they got instead a morning team from like Phoenix or something in there. They're fucking stupid. Well, actually, what'll ruin any business is a combination of two things. And this is what radio has always been.

And now they can suck it because it's fucking over. Here's what radio has always been. Always. Stupid meets arrogant. And that is a combination you could never wish upon your child. If my son is stupid, I can live with that. I really can. And if he's arrogant, but has an ounce of brilliance or talent, I can kind of live with that. I'm not going to be happy about it, but I can live with

that. Stupid meets arrogant is a fucking horrible intersection. I've come across many people in my life that have a astounding combination of both. Radio is brimming, it used to be, now no gives a fuck, was stupid meets arrogant and you are fucked, you are driving that fucking tanker right into the rocky shoals when you are stupid and arrogant and that's what radio has always been. You've been out for a while. I would say, I would argue it's significantly improved and stabilized. Okay, well maybe the guys who came before have fucked it so hardly that it cannot be unfucked. No, I think it's stabilized. Listen, it's like... Send Jimmy Kimmel packing, everybody.

No, no. Well, they wouldn't do it today. No. But I don't know if they met a 26-year-old Jimmy Kimmel today, would No, no, I know. Well, they wouldn't do it today. No. But I don't know if they met a 26 year old Jimmy Kimmel today, would they send him packing? They did not want Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla together to do a show together. Who would want that combination? He was constantly fired, wasn't he? Yes. Listen, after you, we milled through. Listen, here's what the people that were felt not to be adequate for filling your shoes, lovely, because they just were not good radio.

Daniel Tosh. Mm-hmm. Oh. Joel McHale. Right. Oh, shit, there was another one. And then you had the three, you had, on your morning show, remember you used to have Zach Galifianakis.

I had Joel McHale, Zach Galifianakis, and Louis C.K., and my program director did not want them on the air. I think he'd be a big Joe Coy fan. They did a lot of Jack Silver's like, he literally pulled me aside and said, why does Joe McHale have to come in every week and do his soup countdown or whatever it was? And I'm like, because he's this generous guy and he's super funny and this is great content. Yeah, but every week. Why does Joel McHale have to show up in studio?

Not phone in. Why does he have to show up in studio every week? That's radio, baby. And remember he said, Zach wasn't funny. Zach was comedy death. And how about Louis CK? Not funny. Well, there you go, everybody. Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Kroll shouldn't be on air together and Joel and Zack and Louis should

not be. They should be selling used RVs. That's the crystal ball of radio, everybody. So of course you'd want to go, hey, by the way, those guys should be picking stocks. I'd like to take those guys to racetrack with me, make some real money. Fucking retards.

All right. It's different. I think you ought to come back. No. All right. Let's see. Want to take a phone call up here? Yeah, let's do it.

Someone's been on the line. Let's do it. Two. Three, rather. Three's been on hold for a while. Hey, Ivan, 42, Chicago. Get it on. What's going on, man?

Hey, Warby fellas. Good. Side note, Catch the Contractors, the new way you guys are doing it with the behind the scenes is awesome. Oh good, I'm glad you like it. Everyone seems to enjoy the new format-ish. Well, it's a reality show, so why not show everything?

Yeah, no, I agree, I agree, and it comes off a lot better. People want to know what's going on behind the scenes, so it's cool. All right. What's up? My question is... Sunday Night Spike, by the way, tonight, Spike TV. Go ahead. Question, Dr. Drew has been a huge inspiration for me. I just find his Dr. Drew podcast when it comes to addiction, I just find it fascinating. And it's one of those things I really look forward to listening to his podcast. So I'm kind of at a crossroads in my life as far as employment goes. And a friend of mine found a kind of a school that taught drug counseling and uh...

you know you would be great if you'd be great at that i thought about it i like you know back of my brain that that might be something i really want to do i was thinking about attending the school but do i need to go to school for and also once i do go to the school faith like a twelve-month program or something what what are the chance of me getting a job in that field? Well, most states now require thousands of hours of clinical work after the degree, too. So, you know, and yes, you have to have training. You can't work with patients without adequate training and potentially licensure. But my question would

be why not get a clinical degree and then work with drug addicts, get something like an MFT or something? It's not that much longer, and it gives you the ability then to hang out your own shingle and deal with a broader range of patients. And listen, drug counselors are essential. I love that I use them all the time. They do have potential to do more sort of one-on-one kind of work these days because personalized work sort of necessary because the landscape of drug treatment is so nefarious, so awful right now that you almost have to like clinically

manage every patient on your own. Well, let me say this too, Ivan. Philosophically, I've had a few people in my adult life go out and do something as adults. Mike Lynch, who works here, went out and got his degree and did all clinical stuff, and he's now working in the field as well as working with us. But has a full-time job. Mike August seems like a dream, but like 10 years ago, I think he went to the University of Denver or something. He packed up and just went there for a year and he crammed. We can ask him. A JD MBA in two years. Whoa. From two into one or? Three into two.

Three into two. Yeah, he took a three year. Yeah, maybe four into two. It's something crazy crazy it's a full blown JDMBA and he did it in two years and I get according to him at the end of the stay his advisor told him we allowed you to do this because we didn't think it was humanly possible and we will never allow another human being to do this. Oh nice. Yeah the other thing they didn't want anymore either is one of the students was in China, I think, getting the exact same degree doing it via the computer and blah, blah, blah. They weren't so down on that either because they like people coming in, buying books and

paying for housing and food. They can do via the electronics now. I gave a lecture. The point is, quickly, hold on. Let me just finish Yeah, Mike was 40 and he just went and did this. Yeah, and Let's not dismiss. Hold on you blink your eyes The two years is done and now decades pass Not only that the two years when you're 40 is easier to dedicate the two years when you're 20.

Welcome back to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics. We have episode 262 on deck titled The Boner Clock. That aired on August 8, 2015. Dr. Drew talks about his son's travels across Europe and it goes off the rails quickly. I mean the title of the episode is Boner Clock. I'll let them explain. How you doing, Drewski? Good.

You know, we're talking about my son Douglas who's out here working his ass off. My other one's touring around Europe. However he, you give me so much shit about my kids over here, maybe that's why I feel the need to defend them. What shit? Oh, how I'm going to give them eating disorders and I'm not giving them grit and I'm too focused on the education. You had a little prognostication going on there.

Yeah, yeah, you were right. I didn't say it didn't happen. I said that you're gonna be shit about him. So but here's the deal So Jordan's in Europe and he goes Email me today I'm great. I'm an antwerp a mom away in Amsterdam in a week This past week I was staying with a woman working in her garden in exchange for accommodation Like account is dropping fast. So I plan to work while traveling to save money and help my resume. Yeah I'm sure striking something being blown by dude right now, but if I tell my dad I'm working all the time By time I'm working all the time. It'll just shut him up. Like I know my dad

I'll just keep explaining and the guy's blowing them like, just dick out of his mouth. He's like, why don't you tell me you're working in a garden? That's kind of a thing people do out here. Okay, good. For exchange for what? For sucking cock? No, no, no. No, no. For room and board. Oh, okay. All right. All right. Does that include sucking? No, no. Just don't even forget I even brought that up. He interestingly, his first experience, he started in London two months ago. His first experience was some guy begging him to let him suck his cocks for money.

Really? Yeah. So how much did he pay him? It's a weird wiring, the let me pay you to we Yeah, no, no, it was he guy wanted money. Yeah, that wasn't money. That wasn't pay you to do it I got it wrong. Okay, okay The experience of travel It's so foreign part of the carola's didn't go on their after-college world tour

foreign part of the pond to me. I mean, the Corollas didn't go on their after-college world tour. It's comical. We didn't, I didn't know how one, when I went to the airport with Jimmy Kimmel at age like 30 and a half to go to New York, it was a strange and mysterious world, you know, the airport. There was plans and discussions about when one would be picked up and how does one get from the curb to where the actual airplane is and no... That was before all the securities, though, pre-911.

Yeah. Still no capacity to negotiate any of that stuff. I mean, it is the, you know, it's weird because it's invisible. The experience part of life is invisible. This, you know, I don't know, people call it confidence. I'd rather call it just sort of experience, sort of been there, done that. I don't know. There's a thing of... Well, it's weird that apprenticeships were like no good for a long time. And now people are going, oh, I guess that's how we learn. It's our experiences. We do things. Well, I'll give you an example, but then I'll

bring it on back to what we're talking about. As you listen to this, I'm getting ready to get the car ready to go up to Mazda Raceway there and race yet another car. Is this your new one? Yeah, this is a new Newman car. And people say to me all the time, you never drove this one before, so what are you doing now? And I always go, yeah, well, the good part about driving all the different cars all the time is nothing's ever new right You're never quite at that comfort level but

If you drive so many different cars, and you have so many different experiences You just sort of step in your next experience and within three and a half laps You're just sort of up to speed. And that'll be that. And so what's missing as it pertains to the have-nots in this society? So we talk a lot about money, but it's not really money. It's experience. It's experience. What was missing for me my whole adolescent life and then adult, young, young adulthood life was the

experience of, what are you working on there? Nothing. I'm just, I'm listening to you. I'm just... You can't hear. Put the phone down. Put the phone down. Put the phone down. The experience of. You're right. The experience. You don't even realize how rude that is. The experience of, you know, filling out things, getting this, applying for that, just, you know, how to just literally go about life, you know, you think about these... Well, you've always talked about how you wish somebody, like, touch you out and write a

check. Or just go out and experience that part of life, which is to say, what's going on on the poor side of the tracks or the inner cities or the Ozarks or whatever it's not that those people aren't it's not it's not that you need cash you don't need cash to apply for a job that's why you're applying for a job right and in today's world you don't need that much money really for a lot of things including travel but when nobody lets you know it's possible, or how to even begin to do it, or, you know,

look, how do you travel? Well, the first thing you need is you need a credit card. You can't book a flight, you can't book a hotel room, you can't get a rental car, whatever, you need a piece of plastic with your name on it, otherwise, which I never had, no one in my family ever had one. So how are we gonna even begin to embark on this process of doing anything? So it's sort of like a narrowing of horizons. Like the horizon literally doesn't exist

to you. You don't know what's there. You don't know what's there. You don't know how you get there. You don't know anyone who goes there. And yet, it's strange. I don't know how you get there. You don't know anyone who goes there It's strange. I don't disagree with your point, but I'm just thinking about how Emanuel Kant never left Konigsberg. That's just I mean they just and yet managed to the guy wrote the Rocky theme No different guy Well, he lived around the Coney Island area I think it. It was definitely on the East Coast. Must be no pre-World War II. Yeah. Manuel Kant never left Konigsberg? What's that mean?

I'm saying that this is a guy that interpreted, you know, had a Copernican revolution in philosophy, and yet his horizon was limited to this little town in Germany. And yet his horizon was limited to this little town in Germany. Mm-hmm. Oh, well, look, there are a few, few and far between. There's some great minds that just happen to be able to, you know, plop down and paint chapels they've never seen before with their foot. Right, right. And get it exactly right to scale. But those aside, it's just a sort of going out. No, I agree. And understanding that there's a world and that you can have a credit card and that you

can make travel plans and you can apply for this and fill that out. I'm very much that way, that I don't understand things. I really don't until I've done them. Yeah. Well, it's how everyone is, pretty much. Let me go more those. I noticed when I was in medical school, once we hit the awards, I thought, oh, this experiential training we called it, I respond to this. This I understand. Other people are wired differently, no doubt about it. But in terms of the haves and the have-nots, I can tell you that dropping off

a check to the have-nots is not going to fix anything unless the have-nots' parents or community start to, or we recognize, we stop making it about currency. So it's just money, money, money. You know, they don't have enough money. Well, first off, it doesn't matter how much money you have if you don't have a brain that can do something with it or process it or whatever it. Yeah. And I was thinking of this would prompt – I didn't get into it the last episode we did, but it was what prompted me to talk about my own abuse and stuff like that is that you, I've put a lot of emphasis in my career on people's regulation of their emotions, their ability to manage emotions.

And a lot of that is based on traumatic heritage, like they have childhood things, and it makes them difficult to regulate emotions. But I was thinking today, we're in a time now where yes, there's all this emotional dysregulation, but I guess I was thinking to myself, these emotions don't bother me anymore, but my worldview is not all that different than it was by what was formed by those feelings. Remember last time we talked about having selfishness, having a relationship with a selfish person, you see that person as selfish. Or I was raised with the sort of financial abuse, like there's gonna be disaster around

every corner. I can't get that out of me. Emotional financial abuse. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not actual sort of financial abuse. I bet you're part of financial abuse. Right. Emotionally beaten up for, you know, needing clothing, whatever.

And I thought, wow, I can't get that disaster around every corner out of my worldview. I can't get it out. I don't think you can get it out. But it doesn't bother me. I don't have emotions about it. It's just a point of view that... I'll tell you what, a couple things, Drew. I didn't grow up around emotional financial abuse, but there was no money and a very strong beating of that drum, which is we don't want to participate in life. We don't want to participate in your life, and we sure as fuck don't want to get out of the house and go drive you somewhere. So what we will do is we will circle back to being poor as the reason for which we cannot

do any of the things that you would like to do. Right. So if you like a ride somewhere we'll talk about how much gas costs and if you'd like to go in the robot building club we'll tell you that it's you can't do that cost prohibitive. You know everything we'll everything we'll do we'll just circle back the money and that way we won't have to do anything. You want to go out to dinner tonight? We can't go out to dinner. We don't have any money. It'll be easy. Now, we don't want to go out to dinner because it involves getting dressed, it involves going in public, it involves interacting with our

family, it involves a possible scenario where there might be some enjoyment or something, but we'll just... super easy. Every excuse will just go right back to, we got no money. Now, somebody could argue that they got into that state by sort of being beaten into it by not having money. They just gave up. But I would argue back, well, they have money now, and yet they have the still same point of view. I... well, but I'm saying it to you. I spent the lion's share of my adult life poor, and it didn't slow me down that much. If I wanted to go out to eat, I would sort of figure it out.

We'll be right back with more of the Adam and Dr. Drew Show classics. Welcome back to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show Classics. And finally, episode 280 titled Affordable Housing, which aired on October 10th, 2015. Adam talks about the homeless epidemic and he feels there's many reasons as to why the lack of available housing isn't the only problem. Check it out. Check it out. I don't know what percentage of homeless people are homeless because of a housing shortage or an apartment shortage. I lived in a one bedroom with three dudes.

It wasn't a problem. It wasn't comfortable. I literally had a bunk bed and another guy slept on a pullout sofa in the living room and there was one bathroom but we took the four hundred and sixty six dollar a month rent we whacked it up three ways it wasn't there weren't supposed to be three of us living there but hey two bucks sixty each or buck fifty seven each a month we could do it on seven bucks an hour whatever whatever I was getting for digging ditches. Or there's a family, there's a guest house, there's a pool house, there's a garage, there's a spare bedroom,

there's a family, there's a unit, there's a structure, there's something. We don't have boxes to put these people in. It's not addressing the problem of the psychiatric issues and the drug and substance abuse. To me, building more boxes to put these people in in a cheaper way is gonna have some impact on them. It's not gonna cure any problems. On my, I have a show at KBC here in Los Angeles, and a guy called in and he was recovering

homeless guy. And he had a job now driving a truck. And he said, you know, the way I got out of this was, first of all, I wasn't that sick, but I had some issues. But the social worker helped me out, put me in vocational training. I followed through and God damn it, over about two years, and he goes, and you know what we need to do? We need to have these, we need something like a big apartment building. This is what he described, because we need a big apartment building that, you know, we can put them all together in this one place and then there

we need to have social workers and doctors and really, I'm like, okay, well that's a hospital. You need a state hospital. We need fucking state hospitals again. And there's a homeless guy saying, this is exactly what we need, and he helped my peers. And I'm like, yeah, no kidding, everybody. And we just recoil against that. We're just refusing to do it. Look, what we need, Drew,

and you notice that the homeless population in Los Angeles gone up about five or tenfold in just the last five, six years. And look, you don't need to be walking around with a clipboard as a statistician. You just drive through this town and look around. And let me just say one more thing. I forget where it is now, but there's a television series out there that chronicles the homeless thing and where it got started. And they honestly talk about the fact that it was Kennedy that closed the state hospitals. Everyone goes, oh, it was Reagan to save money. No, no, no. It all got finished during Reagan's

era, but Kennedy closed down the state hospital because who the fuck are you, man, to keep somebody from being free? How dare you keep somebody in a hospital? Which one flew the cuckoo's nest, man. Kennedy's not the man, so we have to blame the man for this. Kennedy was too busy. It's Patrick Kennedy. It's Patrick Kennedy's, his expose and his family have fucked up their addictions, included in that his uncle closing down the state hospitals.

Well, anyway, doesn't fit the bill for the man. So we have to pick a guy who does fit the bill for the man, and that's Reagan. So Reagan's the man, he shut everything down. Which he did not. Well, yeah, but it's not fitting our narrative. So we'll stick with the man. Number one. Number two, what's really been shut down is the family system.

And if you think about your last line of defense and everyone's last line of defense between out on the street pitching a tent under the overpass. Where would your kids be without their family? Think about that. My kids could never be homeless because I'm here, my wife's here, and we work and we save and we focus. And to be fair, even as fucked up as your parents were, they'd pick up that slack if they had, they'd do something. You know what I mean? Well, look, the bottom line is if whatever happened to me happened to me, I would be crashing in my dad's garage in perpetuity.

So which is funny. I heard Margaret Mead, a famous anthropologist's daughter talking about this issue and family, and she was talking about what families provide for education, safety, security, and something she added in there which I had not thought about, it's continuity. We've just fucking given that up. We have divorces, man, we go whatever.

Continuity is stability through time, generation to generation, passing things on. We don't have that at all. We don't even think about that in our families anymore. Well, look, here's my humble take. I'll give you my humble take on this, and I'll tell you how to get rid of homelessness. It's the one, no one brings it up, but I'll tell you how to do it. First,

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So much of the stuff you do is so easy now. Make an error, remember? You don't buy an airline ticket, you have to go to the airport. Or the ticket agency, you have to find the airport. I used to work for one. Now you just, hey Matt, go online, give them the credit card, get those tickets going. Yeah, but protect your identity.

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You'll receive a special 10% discount that is exclusively for the podcast listeners. Visit LifeLock.com. Experience the peace of mind that only LifeLock.com can provide. All right. So, I hear people talk about homeless all the time and what are we gonna do? Well, as I've said a million times for people that think well, you're just some sort of right-wing nutjob hates the government If the government was effective at taking care of problems Like the homeless then I'd be will let them take care of it. We wouldn't be having this conversation. I live in LA

Drew's talking about it's really Waze that has opened my eyes to this because you don't see homeless encampments on the freeway. But when Waze kicks you off under the freeway, and you go under the freeway, then you start passing homeless encampments. Now, it started in downtown and it's spreading its way out. It's making its way from downtown. Have you seen the river alongside the Pasadena Freeway? No, I haven't even seen that one. Oh, the entire riverbed. It's a giant, like, it looks like a campground going all the way along the freeway. Right. But it's pretty wild looking. It's pretty intense. Yeah.

I would argue that, you know, Los Angeles, for the amount we pay in taxes and for the bustling vanguard tip of the spear metropolitan city we are, has way too much of this. It's insane how tolerant we are of this. I talked to another guy, another inzig on a KBC. I got to interview interesting people. This one guy was an advocate for homelessness. He was saying that we... This is just an interesting idea. He said, we think about the homeless incorrectly.

He goes, these are the people that in the day of frontiers, they would hit the trail. They would get their wagon. Or when the British sent people to Australia, these are the guys. They would get their big wagon or when the British sent people to Australia, these are the guys. They sent to Australia and they would in a certain setting thrive. Right. And then we should find a setting, a way to do that to sort of you know put them out there in the frontier so to speak. Look, whether it's the homeless situation or the school-to-pr prison pipeline, we need to stop supplying a banana clip filled with rounds of human beings that can be shot into the river or shot under the

off-ramp or shot into the school to prison pipeline. I just like to empty the banana clip. Once you start firing them, then it's like, it's like what are we gonna do with all these stray people that we're shooting all over the place into the prison into the homeless And cam it's like I get all that and there is something to be said See me get the family back. We don't have the banana clip. I Well, let's I'll put it to you this way. Yeah if you Listen to the Huffington Post, their thing is, first is, this is a problem and they

demand it be fixed. And shame on us for not fixing it. Thanks. Okay, good. Thank you, John Lenin. War is not the answer. Now, where are the solutions? You're saying war is not the answer. Good. I'm with you. Where are the solutions? Because we have a pretty rich history with people going to war. So you making the proclamation that war is not the answer, that someone needs to do something about this homeless situation, I agree with you. Now what is the solution? Your solution is we need more and then it's fill in the blank. More counselors, more doctors, more low income. By the way, I don't think, I really don't think low income housing is gonna put a dent in this.

No, no. It would. They need state hospitals. Yes, it would. I'm going to be generous. The issue's not the housing, it's the treatment and vocational rehab. Well, can I say this?

Drive up and down Normandy Boulevard in Los Angeles, there is low-income housing. It's called shitty apartments with 15 people living in it. I used to work in those. I used to earthquake, rehab those places. They're pieces of shit, but you can put three or four people in a one bedroom and get it for $600 a month or $800 a month and make it work. I mean, you could fucking panhandle your side of the rent by noon every day. All right.

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