THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.229 - GARTH JENNINGS & LAURA MARLING LIVE

Episode Date: October 20, 2024

Adam talks with director (and old friend) Garth Jennings, and there's live music from Laura Marling, recorded at the Norwich Playhouse on June 18th, 2024, as part of the Adam Buxton Podcast Tour.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing Podcast illustration by Helen GreenADAM BUXTON WEBSITERELATED LINKSLAURA MARLING - PATTERNS IN REPEAT - 2024LAURA PLAYING 'CAROLINE' @ Norwich Playhouse, June 18th, 2024LAURA MARLING WEBSITELAURA MARLING SUBSTACKA HISTORY OF ROCK MUSIC IN 500 SONGS - Episode 164 (2023) - White Light/White Heat by The Velvet UndergroundBOWIE IN BERLIN - 2024 (BBC SOUNDS)Documentary filmmaker Francis Whately reveals what really happened to Bowie when he decamped to Berlin in the late 1970s thanks to the testimonies of three women who knew Bowie intimately, all talking publicly about their relationships with him for the first time. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Please welcome your host for the Adam Buxton podcast live. It's Adam, this is me talking, Buxton. All right, that's enough of that. Now to help me out tonight, because we're in my, well, it's now my hometown of Norwich. That's not what a hometown means, is it? A hometown is where you're from. Now it's my hometown though. Here is my eldest and one of the best sons that I have,

Frank! He's gonna play a little bit of strummy guitar for you this evening. How are you feeling, Frank? All good, yeah. All good. How's your day been? Busy? Very nice, not busy, stress-free. Very good, as it should be, age 21. Yeah. What time did you get up today? Um, 10.30. Not bad. That's okay. Not bad at all. Round of applause for 10.30. It's not too bad. Very good. It's lovely to have you here Frank and we are going to do the podcast intro. Are you confident? A little bit. I mean I'm slightly... That's not the right answer. Yes. That's the right answer. This is a fee-paying crowd, I don't know if you know, and they are notoriously intolerant

for any kind of whimsy in Norwich. You know, the idea that I wheel my nepo baby on and everyone's supposed to be automatically charmed, that kind of shit doesn't fly in Norwich. Yeah, right. No, of course. Of course. Okay, so we have to absolutely nail this. And if you don't, I'm going to be very passive aggressive over the rest of the week. How's that?

Yeah, okay. Is that good? Is this good parenting? Yeah, I think it is. All right, here we go. So I'm going to go low on the harmonies. You're going to go on the high harmony. Yeah.

Yeah, sweet. Let's do it. One, two, one, two, I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have blocked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone and found some human folk. Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke My name is Adam Buxton and I'm a man I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan

My personal Billy Brad boy! CHEERING Frank, thank you so much! APPLAUSE Good work! Hey, how are you doing, Podcats? It's Adam Buxton here, back on my regular Norfolk farm track, squelching through the mud.

SQUELCHING Some mud work for you there on a fairly mild grey day just over the midpoint of October 2024. You just heard me and my eldest son Frank singing the podcast intro theme there back in June of this year. We were on stage at the Norwich Playhouse for one of the last shows in a 13-date live podcast tour that took us to England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. And over the next few months I'll be dipping into the recordings

we made on that tour and sharing a few bits and pieces that I think you'll enjoy. I'm not going to be putting out all the shows that we did because, as well as talking to my guests on stage, some of those shows had quite a few video elements which was great fun for the audience in the room but it wouldn't work so well on an audio only podcast. Oh it's gone all rainy now. It's not very nice is it Rosie? Look I've got Rosie with me I forgot to say, podcats, I'm joined by Rosie's only slightly quivery today, are you? Let's check. A little bit of quiver in the flanks there. Frank has been doing well encouraging Rosie to carry on with her walks out here in the

fields around where we live. After a few weeks when she was very upset by some loud bird-scaring bang machines which now I'm very happy to say have gone. I hope that she's gradually getting over her anxiety. Are you Rosie? Sharp and do your intro. Let's go back to the kitchen where it's not raining. Okay, as with most of the live shows this year my guests were old friends and friends of the podcast. In this case, director Garth Jennings and musician Laura Marling. I haven't done an episode of the podcast with Garth for a while. Some great ones back in the day looked those up and Laura was a guest on the podcast in the lockdown,

but it was lovely to unite them both in front of the Norwich audience. Garth and I talked about strange alpha male behavior in the movie industry. Some raisin based tips for getting ahead there. Whoa, rain's intensified a little bit now. Should we go and shelter in the woods doglegs? All right, this is good. I found a a little cops and we are sheltering. What was I saying? Oh yes, tips for getting ahead in the movie industry using raisins. I also talked about why I wasn't cast as a hard-bitten police detective and I shared a few entries from my argument with my wife log with Garth

but we began by showing a few clips from our youth and you will hear a brief snatch of audio from a couple of those. Garth's, just to describe it to you, was of him and a friend punching each other repeatedly when they were young teenagers while a fellow stands behind them playing the guitar. My clip was a crime thriller that Joe and I made at school and it's a scene that takes place in an office. There's a couple of stills on my website if you want to see what both those videos look like. There's a link in the description. As for Laura Marling, she joined us to play a couple of songs from her eighth studio album Patterns in Repeat which is out in just

a few days as I speak, on October the 25th. The performances you will hear were recorded completely live in front of the audience. There were no overdubs or pickups, even though it almost sounds like a studio recording. That's how good she is. Props also to the podcast Tour Sound Guys.

That night we had Alfie Tyson Brown and Ben Saunders overseeing the recording. Thank you to both of them. I haven't seen Laura performing live in the room before. I've seen her on TV. I knew she was good but it was quite something to be sitting just a few feet away when she started playing her first number, Caroline. Not only was her playing and singing extraordinary, but the song sounded like one that I'd known all my life. I wonder if you'll get the same feeling listening to it. It's an instant classic. Garth and I were kind of awestruck afterwards, and I felt quite emotional, and the audience did too I think. There

was an amazing atmosphere in the room. There's a short clip of Laura actually playing that song which I filmed on my phone from my desk. It's on my website along with pictures of us all, Garth, myself, Frank, after the show at the Norwich Playhouse. I forgot to say when I was outside this episode contains strong language, some of it's very strong, sorry, my fault. I'll be back at the Norwich Playhouse. I forgot to say when I was outside, this episode contains strong language. Some of it's very strong, sorry, my fault. I'll be back at the end for a bit more waffle, but right now with Garth Jennings and Laura Marling

live at the Norwich Playhouse. Here we go. Let's have a ramble chat We'll focus first on this Then concentrate on that Come on, let's chew the vat And have a ramble chat Put on your conversation coat And hide your talking hat

Yes, yes, yes La la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la So without further ado, please welcome to the stage the king of music videos from back when they used to be really good, Director of the films Son of Rambo, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and the Planet Conquering animated features Sing One and Sing Two. But more important than any of that, he's a friend of the podcast and one of my oldest and least abusive friends. It's Garth Jennings! That was lovely. Thank you very much. You're good with your mic technique Garth, but you know, be informal. If you want to hold that thing you can unwrap it from the...

Go for a little freestyle, okay. Whatever you like. You're going to stay on that mic. You know, sometimes you'll get a guest and they might be a star of stage and screen, and yet they will have no compunction about just doing this and talking to you like this and getting all kinds of... Well, it is quite exciting up here. I can see why someone could just lose it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very exciting. I wanted to take a little trip back into the nostalgia past. Yes. That's what I call it. The nostalgia past. The nostalgia past. And I wanted you to tell me about this clip.

Oh, okay. So paint a picture. This is young Jennings we're digging into. That's me on the right in the stripy t-shirt. I was 11 years old. And my mom and dad had recently got a video camera because the guy at my dad's office left the country, sold his electrics and my dad bought it, didn't know how to use it. I fell in love with it immediately and constantly made little short films with my friends and

sometimes if my mum and dad had friends over and they had kids, they'd say, go and play with those other kids. And a good way to keep us all going was to make a little film. And I'd just learned how to dub sound over something I'd already filmed, so we could put sound effects over it. So this is a tiny clip from what was a very long film. Here you go. Here's a clip from here. Snap! Why you! Ah!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah, there you go, that's the good old days. It's almost Andy Warhol, isn't it? It's like that. Yeah.

What year would that have been then? So it would have been 1983. 83? Yeah, because I was 11. Good old days. Kids these days, they'd be making torture porn, wouldn't they? Well, yeah. Well, I mean, it is a bit torture-y. It goes on for hours, that punchy. My poor parents, I would always make them watch stuff thinking I just created something of, you know, work of genius. Oh God.

I used to force everybody to watch my home videos as well, the stuff that me and Joe used to do. But we also made films though. That was the thing. Cornballs always wanted to be a filmmaker. And when we were at school, we did a thing called Twitch of the Death Nerve. Joe is like a cineast, deep level. He bought Cahiers du Cinéma. Did you ever buy Cahiers du Cinéma? No. No.

You're not a proper cineast. But Corn Balls did, he knew all the foreign films and stuff. But he also liked splatter movies and horror. So he also bought Fangoria and all those kind of movies where you would see pictures of heads coming apart. I was too scared of that stuff. Were you? Oh yeah, I found that too.

I would have nightmares all the time. Right, we loved it, man. We absolutely loved it. Like The Thing came out around that time, John Carpenter's version. Yes, couldn't watch that. And really? Yes, not at the time.

Right. Sensitive boy. Oh yes. I was one of those kids that cried all the time, even though I was actually really happy. Yeah. The happiest kid you've ever met. I mean it's ridiculous. But I didn't have a shutoff valve, so if somebody said, why have you done that? You know, a teacher. I don't know why I've done that. Oh mate. Yeah, I was always crying. I remember I got cast as Albert Schweitzer in the school production of his life story, which is ambitious for a little comprehensive like grain chill, isn't it? And on the day of it, I was so nervous that I just cried all the way through it. And I remember all the kids that were cross-legged in the front row, like, looking at me. I remember there was this lovely little girl called Zoe who was playing my wife, and I said, had to do this bit where,

my wife, will you come with me to Africa? It was the worst thing you've ever seen. So yeah, I couldn't watch any scary stuff. I got, I was about 13 or 14, I managed to sort of rein it in a bit, but yeah, prior to to that it was ridiculous. Do you cry in meetings now? No no I'm a hard-nosed fella now yeah. I get very emotional with things still but not like that.

I'm getting worse. Yeah I think it's sort of coming back around it's almost like I've got better and then yeah as I've started to get older and yes things, the emotional stuff's coming right back yeah worryingly. I nearly cried on an interview the other day. It was a zoom interview that I was doing for the podcast. It hasn't been out yet. Don't know if it'll go out because you know I've cried before on the podcast when things are sad and parents die and all that kind of thing.

That's different crying. That's fun crying. Yes. But... That's great fun. Yeah. It's a bit of fun grief. Who doesn't love a bit of fun grief? God.

Uncomfortable laughter from the audience. You do love it. But this was not grief based this was just like feeling totally freaked out because this guy was really angry with me on the zoom call oh that was do it yeah you're being told off were you I was not even being told off it was basically they were in another country we had a about a half an hour of fiddling around with mics trying to get them working and by the time we finally started this was someone a few years older than I am, and very accomplished person, and

they clearly felt their time was not best spent fucking around with microphones on a Zoom call with this little child man in Norwich. And it got so chippy, oh oh and I just couldn't deal with it and I was just like oh my voice went completely and my breathing went and I couldn't really keep it together but I was very very close to crying I mean that isn't the response I was aiming for I wasn't fishing for it. I'm gonna get a little hug after this. I can't do it now. This is me back when I used to be tougher. Go on, hit it.

In Joe's film Twitch of the Death Nerve, named after an Italian horror film. But this was a tough, gritty drama about police work. I was a cop called Donovan Spanner. So could you say like, there's a spanner in the works? Yes, we didn't have that line but that would have been very good. There's a fucking spanner in the works. Tell them there's a spanner in the works. Yeah, that'd be good, yeah.

But I remember in this scene was the first time that Joe, because we had done plays before this and I always went for quite a large performing style, still do. Yeah, still do. This one, this was the first time in this scene that Joe had said, Admin, just tone it down. Turn it right down. Keep it straight.

So this is as naturalistic as Buckles has ever got on Videoloid. And see if you can spot my co-star as well. He's a murderer and he's free. Now I want a priority one report filed to all units plus a photo fit arranged by you Harvey and don't mess it up this time, alright? I think we can overlook the red tape in this one case. We're obviously dealing with a terminally psychopathic madman. It might be wiser just to grab him off the street.

You know that's not how I do things, don't you, Harvey? I know, sir, but this is a special case. We can grab him off the street, bash him around a little bit, and then run him in. That would solve all our problems. Yeah. Gritty drama. that's good. a young Louis Theroux outshining me as ever in the acting department. Bashi Moran a little bit. I think he was 14 yeah at that, something like that, 14 or 15. It was pretty good. Do you know, one time I actually went in for an audition

as a real TV policeman. An actual TV show? Yeah. Can I say the name of the thing? I suppose it doesn't matter. You're amongst friends, let's hear it. It was for DCI Banks. And I went in to play the main part. You were gritty about it.

The Stephen Tomkinson part, if you've ever seen DCI Banks. Gritty, like serious ITV procedural drama. And I think the character was described as a tough, alcoholic, divorced cop. And the scene that I was given to read was, he goes into a hospital and there's a young woman who's coming round, having been badly assaulted. And I have to sit there and have this, try and find out a description of the person that assaulted her.

They were like, we've got to get buckles for this. They were like, yeah, yeah, get, no seriously, get buckles. I mean, exactly. I just thought, what's happening here? And I said to my agent, like, this isn't a good idea, is it? Like, this isn't going to work. And she's like, well, they asked for you specifically. So why don't you just go in, take the audition and something else might come of it. I was like, really? Okay.

So I go in, I spend the weekend thinking, DCI banks. So I thought I'll find a voice. Sometimes a great actor like myself starts with with a voice why don't do a voice why don't you do a voice what did you do what was your voice I mean I think you're right I think that is a serious point because so for someone like me the tendency to want to do an accent it's got to be from a certain place what was your what do your voice we're gonna find the bastard who did this to you don't you worry.

It was sort of halfway between my Bowie impression and Keith Richards with a little bit more grit. And that's how I envisioned DCI Banks. So I went in there and basically the guy is like the head of drama or something and the casting person who was there. And he was very nice. He liked my stuff and he said, thanks for coming in. And I was like, yeah, I mean, I must say I was surprised.

I didn't think it was like a natural fit, me in this kind of role. He's like, oh, I don't know. Let's give it a go. Let's see how it goes. And so I did it. I'm going to catch a bastard who did this. Afterwards, he was like, let's try one more,

maybe without the accent even. Just try it, let's see how it goes. So we did it and he was like, there you go. It felt a bit better. I mean, it was terrible. It was absolutely terrible and it was excruciating the whole experience. Were you feeling the stress of it at that point?

Oh, I was nearly crying then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I just wanted to be anywhere else. You know, it's just like, go on up. And you're thinking, why are we doing this? We all know that I'm bad at this. Why do we have to go through it all? And I'm sort of thinking, well, my agent told me I should do it.

Something else might come of it. But I just felt so fraudulent. And I felt that I had to say, like, you know, that was pretty bad. And I guess, you know, that was pretty bad. And I guess, you know, probably I'm not right for this, but anyway, thank you so much for seeing me, you know. Yes. And he was like, oh no, it's nice to meet you, thanks for coming in. And then I leave and walk down the corridor and the casting person catches me up. I'm thinking she's going to go, oh thanks so much for coming in. She didn't. She was very angry.

Oh. She just said, you just talked yourself out of a job in there, if you don't wanna do the part, then don't fucking come in. She did DCI banks in a way. She did. Don't wanna do it, get out. That's how you do banks.

Don't waste my fucking time. Yeah, exactly. Lest your maximum banks fuck off. It's a great Disney director. Fuck off. This isn't DCI wanks, you twat. Of course, she was absolutely right. It was a silly thing to have done.

You're not supposed to talk yourself down in an audition, even if you don't think you're right for it. But do you find yourself having to kind of play the alpha in certain situations? You're a successful movie director now. What do you mean like a... I mean like a sort of tough guy that doesn't cry and knows what he's doing and doesn't put himself down.

I don't have to play the tough guy. I sometimes meet alpha type people. Uh-huh. And there's some funny ones. The classic one is the sort of powerful American person. Let's not do the name. Can I not... I can get up. Yeah. And they'll do the close-up handshake thing. Do you know what I mean by that? No. What's a close-up handshake? I'm just going to get up and do it. Gareth!

Nice to meet you. They pull you in. Pull you right in and hold you there. And it's like a little test. So I just stand there grinning, going, yeah. And we just stand there and then, because what they're wanting me to do is either pull away or let go but I just hold on and grin at them. And you've defused it and actually the first time that happened to me after that we had the most brilliant time with that person. Yes, you can meet some sort of scary people and then the worst ones are the people that work for the scary people. They're even more scary.

Agents and people like that. Well, it could be anyone in the pyramid of whatever you're dealing with. But you try and make a little culture of kindness. I know that sounds a bit sort of flimsy. But you try and get, yeah. You try and surround yourself with really nice people who are brilliant at what they do. And so it's hard to be-

That's the kind of thing Harvey Weinstein used to say. Trying to create a little culture of kindness in the shower. I feel bad to be... okay just so we're all clear that is not the culture of kindness I'm going for. It's much more down to earth. Yes. And it's harder to be a bit of a pain in the arse when you've created a community that are positive. I mean that's the way it should be of of course, but I went to one of the worst examples quite quickly there. But there is so much abusive behaviour that does go on in the entertainment industry that you hear about in music and in film and in all the arts. I guess the reason,

not an excuse for it, but the reason is of course it's highly pressurised, there's people doing quite stupid things for a living, it's very hard to kind of nail it down, everyone feels insecure, competitive, there's all these kind of tensions flying around that produce bad environments sometimes. Yeah, but... There's no excuse. No, not really. Tell me about... It's films and stuff, you don't need to throw things at each excuse. No, not really. Tell me about... It's films and stuff.

You don't need to throw things at each other. No. There's been... I've seen all kinds of terrible things, but there was never... I never thought, oh, well, he has got a high-pressure job. Yeah. No. Have you ever had a Bale-style meltdown on set?

Me, personally. Yeah, while you've been directing? No, I've never had that. But, I mean, with an actor or anyone? No, I've never had that. I mean, with an actor or anyone? No, we've never really had that. We've just had people that were late a lot, so we would, you know, make sure they were told off. But not in a big, dramatic way,

just, please don't do that again, you know? One time there was one actor on a film who was really brilliant, but he'd really got into a rhythm of just not showing up and hours late. And so when he did arrive finally one morning, everyone cleared the set, I'd queued it.

So when he arrives, everybody leave. It just leave me on the stage with him. And so he went, they all left and he's going, where's everyone going? I said, come and sit down. Ah. You know you do that thing, you know when you're mom and dad go, I'm so disappointed in you.

Yeah. Absolutely worked. He's like, really and dad go, I'm so disappointed in you. Yeah. Absolutely worked. It's like really, I was like, yeah, the disappointed word. Did you? It really worked. So I've had to send everybody out because I just can't seem to get through to you and I'm so disappointed. And it was brilliant after then.

Wow. Yeah. Was it Matthew McConaughey? No, no, no. He's great. Are you able to say that story about the agent guy with his raisins? Oh, raisin guy, yeah.

Well, this is a classic alpha. I was having a meeting with my producer and a very, very big star, and he'd come along with his agent and his manager. And I think because he had the two of them with him, the manager thought I'm gonna have to be a bit more to come along with his agent and his manager. And I think because he had the two of them with him, the manager thought I'm gonna have to be a bit more of the macho guy in this room.

There's all this stuff, there's all these men. And it's me, you know, I'm the least threatening. You don't have to do anything, it's fine. This guy comes in with his big star friend and he sits him down and we're all sitting down. We're about to discuss this project. And he grabbed a packet, a sun mage. You know those little raisins? There was a bowl of snacks just around, little tiny box, and he puts his feet up on the table, chugs

this packet of SunMade, and then throws them at the studio boss. And it hits the studio boss. Yeah. And we all had to carry on, but I was like, ooh, look at that. That was... And it was so pathetic as well. Sun made. Oh, honestly.

And he wasn't angry or anything? No, it was just like, what the fuck, we do in here. Alright. Wow. I am buying some boxes of Sun May Tomorrow. And you could feel the agent going, oh I wish I hadn't done that. Yeah. Yeah. Get a bit of that. And the famous person, what were they looking sad? Yeah, really uncomfortable. Yeah, it was really weird and uncomfortable. And what didn't the studio boss go, what the fuck are you doing? No, it was more like, okay. Just a little correction.

Because they're used to it? No, it was just, it was better to just get through that one. Style it out. Yeah, style it out. He did it well actually, I've got to say he was very cool. Afterwards we were like, oh, what a wallie. Alright, we are coming towards the end of our first half now and I think it is time to introduce our musical guest this evening. I'm very excited to introduce to you my guest, one of the country's most talented singer-songwriters who always, I won't do the voice, this is

sincere and I got very music journalisty on this intro. One of the country's most talented singer-songwriters who always manages to sound both exquisitely modern and like sun-kissed 70s Laurel Canyon nobility, it's Laura Marling has come here to sing to you tonight. I didn't go for the hug there because I suddenly thought like I don't know if she's a hug person or not. I'm a hugger. Are you? Yeah. Okay, the interval's coming up. It was nice. 20 minutes of hugging. I'm so pleased that you're here. You told me that you haven't, this is like I've coaxed you out of retirement more or

less. You have. Because you haven't been playing live for a couple of years. I haven't played live for over two years. Whoa. So, Laura Marling's return here for you, Podcats, at the Norwich Playhouse. I'm very honoured and excited that you agreed to do this. Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. Only for you, Adam. That's it. Well, and you're a friend of the podcast, listened to my episode with

Laura. We had a fun, stupid chat. During the lockdown though, wasn't it? That was a remote one. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad that's Zoom interviews over. Though I enjoyed it. Of course. You don't mean my interview specifically. That was one of the old time great Zoom interviews. There was no crying in that one. What have you been doing these last couple of years? I had a baby. Well done.

Thank you. I'm a baby. Thanks. I highly recommend it. You guys know all about that? Yeah, I've got loads. You've got loads of them. That I highly recommend it. You guys know all about that? Yeah, I've got loads. You've got loads of them, yeah. That's pretty much it. But have you been, are you allowed to say if you've been working on new stuff?

Oh yes, I should say that. I'm out of practice. I made an album. Nice. I made an album when the baby was really small before she started walking, which you can do because you just put them down and they can only roll about half a metre away from you. So I did that. Were you working at home then or do you take the baby into the studio? I did it all at home. I had a studio at home but I couldn't do it there because it was too dangerous. So I had to bring her up into the living room or bring my studio up into the living room

and I did it there and then I finished it at, I did the finishing bits at a studio with her. It was great fun, loved it. When's that gonna see the light of day? November. November, that's before my album is coming out. Okay, phew. We deliberately timed it like that.

I didn't want to steal Laura's thunder. And you've also been sub-stacking. Yes, I have a sub-stack now, which is like podcasts for introverts, I guess. And what do you write about there? I write about songwriting, but I also write about... I try and relate it to the arc of the Major Arcana of the Tarot. I was going to do that, but then I did something else. It's not as woo-woo as it sounds.

Yes. I'm not like into new agey. I am into new agey stuff. I don't talk about it there. That sounds good. So what are you going to play for us? I'm going to play a new song called Caroline. Now you're tiptoeing a little bit there.

Yeah, it's because I sing upwards. Oh, you sing upwards. Because I have to talk. Why do you sing upwards, Laura? Because I like the timbre. Ah, the timbre. And also I don't have to look anyone in the eye. Which I generally like in life, so.

Okay, cool. Great. Alright. What a way to change an evening. Was my number hard to find? You know I'd given up believing But the song had somewhat lingered on my mind La la la la la la la la la la la Something something, Caroline Caroline, you're like an ember A rock that bursts back into life

A song I only just remember That goes oh, something, something, Caroline La la la la la la la la la la la Something, something, Caroline. Caroline, we are old now. I got married and I loved my wife. We have kids. They're good and grown now. All in all, I was happy with my life Though I was never really far from you Was I?

Something, something, Caroline I'd ask you not to call again I like to keep you off my mind You're the one who went away, Caroline So the song was forgotten over time It went la la la la la la la la la la la la la Something something Caroline La la la la la la la la la la la la Something something Caroline Thank you. That was amazing. Are we the first people to hear that? Yes. Wow. That was so good. What's it called?

It's called Carola. I've never heard anyone do that. That's a funny idea as well to have half-remembered lyrics in there. I actually, you're not the first people to hear it. I sent it to my dad who was a songwriter. And he was like, oh it's very good. Would you like me to finish the lyrics for you? Oh man, I love that. Thank you so much Laura. Will you come and sing another song in the second half? Absolutely. How about this will you sing halfway through the podcast at the beginning of the second half? I sure will. I'm quite nervous about it but yeah. Oh you should be that's one of the big numbers that everyone knows. We're going to do another jingle now, podcats. And I couldn't help noticing, I know you didn't know if it was appropriate to join in the

first time around. it is appropriate. If you know the words, please do join in with one of the greatest jingles ever written. Joe Rogan hasn't done any jingles, but if he did, they wouldn't be as good as this one. It's halfway through the podcast and to help me sing it, welcome back to the stage Laura Marling. How are you feeling about halfway through the podcast? Let's see okay see how it goes. What sort of style are you thinking? I'm gonna go finger picky okay but harmonies aren't my forte. Are they not? No. I would have thought you were Queen of harmonies. No I'm main event, not really the harmonies guy. Quite right.

We're halfway through the podcast, I think it's going really great The conversation's flowing like it would between a geezer and his mate Alright mate! Righto geezer! There's so much chemistry, it's like a science lab of talking. There's fun chat and there's deep chat, it's like Chris Evans is meeting Stephen Hawking. Oh yeah, thank you very much. Let's get my guest Garth back on stage right now. It's Garth Jennings. How are you doing Garth? I'm doing great thanks. How are you? Do you spend much time on social media? No. No, I mean, we did find some nice bathroom tiles.

There's this lady in Bridport who makes lovely tiles. But other than that, not really, no. Best to avoid it. You don't get anything done really, otherwise. But aren't you obliged to engage with it when you're promoting movies and things like that? No, I'm not on it. I've had to do junkets and things where you meet...

That's the thing I wasn't used to on the last film. We had to meet people that do... are influencers on TikTok and Instagram. And that's quite strange. One of them was a tiny eight-year-old boy who was famous for doing a special little dance. And I thought they were setting me up for... I know. I thought they were setting me up as a candid camera thing so there's all these adults from newspapers things coming in and then this eight-year-old boy in a fedora came on and I did that thing I go what's what's he doing and his mom's going his mom was like well showbiz mom they're terrifying and then he started asking his questions it was the most uncomfortable strange thing because he suddenly went from being this little kid

to like I want to ask you when you made it was like the most professional little child person and it's all like oh very weird and then we had to do a special dance what was the dance I just sort of a shimmy thing that I was supposed to know oh you had to do the dance I did it with this little guy. Oh, mate. And then you think, what's going on? What am I doing? What am I doing here?

I just did this whole film and now I'm doing a shimmy with this little eight-year-old in a fedora. Just feels really wrong. There's a lot of weird stuff now you have to do when you're promoting. Dennis Villeneuve doesn't do the dance with that. Bet he doesn't. He would never have. He would have had someone fired for that. I just carried on. I bet you, I'll tell you who else doesn't do the dance, David O Russell. He's not going to do

that. He's going to beat the kid to death with a stapler. This is nice. This is nice. You've seen that footage of David O Russell losing his mind on the set of I Heart Huckabees. It is upsetting. He screams at Lily Tomlin, uses the C word as he's kicking a load of props off the table in front of her. But then I found out the other day, she's totally fine with it. There's loads of videos of her online just saying, oh wow, that's what life on high pressure film sets is like sometimes. Well anyway that seemed extreme to me. Yeah. And Lily Tomlin wasn't that bad. No. Has she been a bit late or something? Anyway. She was getting frustrated

because it was taking too long to block a scene. Yes, yes. I used to have crew get frustrated with me when I was younger. Right. Because I didn't look very experienced and they would think I was the runner. And then they'd go, you know, I'll be filming something. They'd go, do you even know what you're fucking doing, mate? What the crew guys? Yeah, like someone on the camera grip or something like that. Oh, mate.

And they'd go, yes I do actually. Yeah, would you stand up for yourself or would you go and have a little cry? Didn't do a little cry. That happened quite a few times, but I would just sort of, we'd just get rid of them. See you. See you later.

That's what Kenneth Branagh did. I was reading Miriam Margulies' book, and she talks about the fact that on his first feature, which was some sort of thriller, Dead Again, was it? Dead Again. I don't know if it was his first, but he definitely did that. Yeah. Yeah. Call Out, if I'm wrong about that, podcast. But I think it was that. And he was first time director. He already had a reputation as a star of the theatre, but I think maybe his film crew perhaps thought, who is this uppity guy who's coming in here

thinking he can direct a film? And they were very contrary. Yeah. And wouldn't do anything that he wanted them to do. So a few days in, fired all of them and just started again. Yeah. I would love it if he did it

in a really sort of Shakespearean way. You know, like said, can I have you all gather, gather round and then stand on something tall and say all of you are fire. You're fucking fire. You're fucking fire. Fuck off right now, you little fucking man. That would be good. He doesn't talk like that, but I would have asked him to do it. Yeah. Hello, fact-checking Santa here, the Marianna Spring of the Adam Buxton podcast. Quite lazy though, I don't check that many facts these days, but I do think I should step in on this one.

Kenneth Branagh's directorial debut was Henry V. Dead Again was the first film Ken made in Hollywood, where he found the original crew for his film to be too sluggish. Ohohohohoho! Pfft! Have two carrots. Go to the toilet, take your time. Holiday time. I don't know if you read my book Garth, Ramble Book, but within there I debuted the use of my argument log. Oh I like this, yes. With my wife.

And this is something that has proven to be quite useful in our lives. Do you read it back to her? No, I mean sometimes a little bit. I mean the whole point is to cut down the risk of covering old ground during valuable argument time, which can happen. You know, you get into it and then you go round and round and you find like... So you could bring out the log and go, we don't need to cover this, check it out. Exactly.

We did it, we did it already, and I was right that time, so. That's the point of the argument log. And you know, for the record, my wife strongly disagrees with that being a good thing to do. But these are some of the more recent ones. And you can give me your response as a married person yourself.

Subjective argument, me picking banshees of inner Sharon is our Christmas Day family movie. Yeah. She didn't like that, OK? Hated it. No, no, that wasn't a great idea. It went down so badly. I really genuinely thought it was going to be a smash

because I loved Imbruge. Right. And I thought, they've got the Imbruge guys back together again. It's party time. Mainpoint's wife, after we saw it, it was depressing pointless crap designed to win awards. Wow.

It's a bit harsh. Wow. Buckles came back with, it was a powerful allegory about cis men yearning for immortality because they can't give birth and mental illness and the troubles in Northern Ireland and donkey nutrition. It's all in there. Yeah. Additional points why if it was big depressing wank and we should have watched Top Gun Maverick again. She was lobbying hard for viewing three of Top Gun Maverick within like the same holiday period and I just does deliver. I mean it does. Yeah. If you're not into fingers being flung around.

No. Yeah. My wife won that one. I think she deserves that. Fortunately. That was a very bitter row over Banshees of Inisier and how about this one, Being Moody? Do you ever get this one? Generally no, there's not, we're not a moody couple. You're chirpy. I always get that. Yeah. Yeah, chirpy. Oh yeah, who was it that described you as chirpy? Oh it's awful. I've never said this either to anyone out of it. It's somebody who's great and I get on really well with him, but when I was at art school, there were lots of young, talented people around. And I loved art school because I couldn't believe you could just do this all day. I was just great. I was just making stuff. Fantastic.

And there's a very well-known film director called Joe Wright, who's gone on to do atonement and all kinds of wonderful films. He's brilliant. But he was in the same year as me, and I remember walking past him and saying, Hello, Joe. And he just took out his cigarette and went, Sorry about the swearing here. He went,

James, you're a chirpy cunt. I was a bit like, oh. I sort of went into the next room and Dom, my best mate, was there. And I said, Joe just called me a chirpy cunt. And Dom just said, well, you are. I was like, ah, yeah. So basically, yeah, that's been it ever since. I like it.

It's a fine quality, but maybe that's because I'm a little bit moody. I don't know. Anyway, when I get accused of being moody, my main points are I say to her when she's moody, I don't understand why you're so moody. And her response is, you're the one that's moody. It's like a toxic cloud.

Did she use those actual words? Yeah, actual quote. I don't think you realize how moody you are. Get a bit of up speak there. My comeback is, you were moody first. I'm moody because you're moody yeah I'm normally fun like on my podcast have you seen the logo from the podcast sometimes I show her the logo on yeah look at that guy smiley guy yeah who

you're dealing with in fact right now you're gaslighting me. Winner buckles. Because I used gaslighting. Oh. Have you invoked gaslighting in an argument? No, no. We haven't reached that point. It's pretty powerful stuff. Yeah, I was going to say.

Works for all kinds of situations. I think she was just like, oh god, alright. I won that one. Subjective argument. Me throwing away the random crap that's been in the big bowl in the hall for years, including old chargers, membership cards, lanyards, packs of pills, cables, remotes, mini-toiletry, shoelaces, receipts, incidental brushes, the red ones, hair clips, knackered headphones, phone numbers on scraps of paper key rings and keys that's in one bowl? yep nice one have you not got a bowl like that or a you know like a box? no again i'm saying no i feel terrible i'm letting you down here i should be joining you in

yeah you've got a neat house that's why it's got wait there's four boys you've got to keep it together four boys neat house holy Moses dogs and stuff you've got to gotta stay on top of it. That's the dream. But anyway, I binned all of that stuff and it was pretty satisfying. Main Point's wife,

there might have been stuff in there I needed. I came back with, haven't needed it for the last 10 years. Well, that's good. Yeah, it's good. Your honor. But she said, you should have checked with me first and that is true.

Yeah. I should have done and I knew that I should have done. And I just went ahead and did it anyway. So I did feel bad about it. I came back at night, I said, if I checked it wouldn't have got thrown away. And that was also true. Yeah. But I did feel bad and so the winner was my wife.

But the stuff did get thrown away, so. LAUGHING It all worked out. This is wife updating me on which friends and family members have cancer just before scheduled marital relations. LAUGHING I love that they're scheduled. And my main... You've've got to schedule them otherwise they're not going to happen are they? I mean my main point is it's not exactly sexy, main point's wife, it's the only time we get

to discuss important things and I'm the winner of that one. I think I have the stronger point there as it were. Subjective argument, finally, and subjective argument. Finally, wife leaving dirty plates and coffee mugs by the sink to clean later. Where do you stand on this? She's probably going out to do something important right? Yes. She's not going to do it out of laziness, she's doing it because she's rushing to do something else. Yeah but. I'm trying to make a case. I know what Sel's like and I think that's what she's doing there. Of course, she works incredibly hard, but... I always think it's better to clean as you go.

And I say it like that in that... Oh, in that fun voice? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If you want a fun hack, I always think it's better to clean as you go. Try it, it's fun. It's fun to do it. Not chippy in any way at all.

And her comeback is, I always think it's better to fuck while you're off. I don't know what that... ...is supposed to mean. But anyway, that's the situation, argument-wise. And we will welcome back to the stage, if she's there. I didn't really give her a fair warning, but if you're there, Laura. Yay, let's welcome back Laura Marley. Good to see you. Is this a new one or an old one you're going to do for us?

It's a new one. It's a new one. Oh, it's another new one. Yeah. Yeah. Have you're gonna do for us? It's a new one. It's a new one. Oh, it's another new one. Yeah, have you got an album title yet? Yes, it's called Patterns in Repeat. Patterns in Repeat? How long does it take you to come up with a title?

Pussy title. Is it easy? Yes. They tend to be song titles, and you just pick the best song title. Oh yeah, okay. That's the way I'm going with my album. Nice, have you got a title? They tend to be song titles, you just pick the best song. Oh yeah, okay. That's the way I'm going with my album. Nice. Have you got a title?

Pizza Time. Laughter I thought about patterns in repeat and then I thought, I think Pizza Time. Laughter I think pizza time. And can you tell us a little bit about the song or is that something that you don't want to do? That's not really my forte. But you know you can subscribe to my Sudstack if you want to. Oh yeah, okay. I'm not really bad at talking about the subject of songs. Sure, I don't want to put you on the spot and make it all uncomfortable.

Great. Tell me exactly what it means. What's it called though? It's called Child of Mind. It's pretty self explanatory actually now I think about it. Child of Mind? Child of Mind. Oh, okay. You and your dad are dancing in the kitchen Life is slowing down but it's still bitchin' Got myself a rod but I could break it

Back is still as strong as I can make it Plus you're mine So who would rush right through a child of mine? Child of mine Child of mine Everything you want is within your reach right now And anything that's not I'll have to teach somehow. Everything about you is into it.

So those who miss the point might rush right through it because it's fine. But I don't want wanna miss a child of mine Child of mine Child of mine Last night in your sleep you started crying I can't protect you there though I'll keep trying Sometimes you'll go places I won't get to But I've spoken with the angels who'll protect you Because you're mine

They'll cast their golden light across my child Child of mine Child of mine Long nights, fast years, so they say Time won't ever feel the same and I don't want to miss it and I don't want to miss it and I'm not gonna miss it child of mine child of mine child of mine, child of mine, child of mine, child of mine. That was lovely. That's it for Laura Marling.

Thank you so much for coming along, Laura. Amazing. Oh, man. That is sort of the loveliest representation of what it's like to have young children. Yeah. That was the best bit. It doesn't include any of the... We should just not talk now, Ed. No. We're just going to ruin it. That went so incredibly well.

Whatever we do now is just not going to work. There you go. Anyway, that is the end of our presentation tonight, folks. Please join me in thanking everyone who has helped on this tour and indeed tonight. Thank you so much to all the folks at the Playhouse who have made us feel so welcome. It's lovely to be back here. And thank you very much for coming out tonight. It's really nice to see you in person. Thanks for listening to the

podcast. I left a gift for you all if you want it. You don't have to have it. Oh yeah. But I stuck a little QR code in the lobby and also on the wall across the street. Just I don't know if you like me if you ever have an alarm clock on your phone they're horrible aren't they? So I made a I recorded the birds in my garden and made a 30 second loop. So if you want a bird birds from my garden as your alarm clock you could just do it on the QR code. Yeah. That's my little gift for you. A typically

thoughtful and lovely gift. Perfect from a chirpy cunt. Yes exactly. I'm never ever... I just feel like I made the biggest mistake in my life by saying that. Teed me up for that one! Get me up for that one! Wait, this is an advert for Squarespace where you can build a website that rocks. I wanted to build a website so I could advertise my garden in business. So my friend said, check out this website, which will enable you to build your website. It's called Squarespace Squarespace! Build yourself a website that's extremely professional

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Visit squarespace.com slash BUCKSTON please Continue Continue. Hey, welcome back Podcats. That was Garth Jennings there at the Norwich Playhouse back in June of this year 2024 and of course we were joined by Laura Marling. Thank you so much to Garth and Laura. Her album Patents in Repeat is out on the 25th of October. I've put a link to her website in the description of the podcast so you can see what she's up to. And there's a link to Laura's sub stack page where she writes about songwriting and other things. Check it out.

Pabstack page where she writes about songwriting and other things. Check it out. The sun is out and shining through the trees but we're still under this rain cloud and I can see that it's raining out there in the field. We'll head out shortly Rose, I think it's nearly past. Before I leave you today I just wanted to give you a couple of recommendations. First one is for a podcast that I would imagine many of you podcats are already familiar with. It's been around for a few years and already has a large and devoted fan base. It's called a history of rock music in 500 songs. This is some blurb about it. A history of rock music in 500 songs is a podcast created by Andrew Hickey that explores the development and evolution of rock music by analyzing 500 significant songs from the genre's history.

Starting with early influences like the blues, gospel and jazz, the podcast traces rock's roots from the 1930s and 1940s through to, I believe he's going to go to the end of the 1930s and 1940s through to I believe he's going to go to the end of the 90s and draw a line there. He's got a long way to go he's been doing it for a few years he's only at 176 I think at the moment. Four-part are about Sympathy for the Devil by the Rolling Stones which was excellent. Each episode delves into the backstory of a song, examining its cultural and historical context, the artists involved and the song's impact of the evolution of rock music. With deep research and detailed storytelling, the podcast offers both an educational

and an entertaining look at rock's rich history. And there is a depth of knowledge and nuanced analysis in this thing and also a willingness to explore tangential details and connections that you just wouldn't get, I don't think, with a mainstream broadcaster because there isn't the time. And broadcasters are generally nervous about putting off casual listeners and scaring them away with something that's too deep level. But if you're willing to go deep and if you can roll with his sometimes idiosyncratic presentational style, hundreds of hours of joy await you on the History of Rock Music in 500 Songs podcast. Can I ask you

a favor though, in the style of Andrew Hickey, in case some of you were thinking of messaging Andrew Hickey via social media to let him know that I'm singing his praises, you know, in a nice way, please don't. I've listened to enough episodes of Andrew's podcast to know that he's not necessarily comfortable with what he calls the parasocial side of podcasting. He wants to keep it all about his project and the music. He himself asks his listeners not to contact people that he mentions on his podcast to tell them, oh Andrew Hickey's been talking

about you, because he appreciates that sometimes that isn't necessarily gonna make their day. And he's very thoughtful in that way, as you can hear from the content warnings that he does at the start of each episode. He's very careful about what he puts out into the world with the podcast. So I hope you don't mind if I ask you

to respect Andrew's privacy. He's got a lot of work to do. This guy does incredible amounts of work on the podcast. And the thing is, one of the things that elevates it above other similar types of podcasts, music, shows, is that he uses clips of the music very well. And he makes a point of saying that he thinks he does so in a way that is kind of legally defensible. He is only using clips that

illustrate specific points he is making. It's all within the context of a show that is very much educational. He's doing that a hundred percent. I really think it's an amazing educational resource what he's doing. I've discovered lots of bits and pieces that I never knew anything about listening to episodes of his podcast and it's really inspiring the way he weaves everything together. History of rock music in 500 songs. See how you get on. Also there are still music documentary gems to be found on. On the lamestream media and one of those is

available on BBC Sounds I've linked to it in the description and it's called Bowie in Berlin it's about Zayvid documentary filmmaker Francis Watley who directed the excellent five years TV documentaries about Bowie reveals what really happened to Bowie when he decamped to Berlin in the late 1970s to live with Iggy Pop and work on the albums Low and Heroes. The doc is lovingly produced by John Wilson, whom you might know from This Cultural Life which he presents on Radio 4. Bowie in Berlin tells its story in a series of cinematic sonic montages woven

between the testimonies of three women who knew Bowie intimately, all talking publicly about their relationships with him for the first time. Bowie in Berlin. That's it for this week. Come on Rose, shall we venture out? Let's head back. out. Let's head back. Here we go Rose. Come on dog legs, let's go through here. There we go, that's better isn't it dog? There we go, okay. Thanks very much to Seamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing. Thanks to Helen Green, she does the artwork for the podcast and she's also working away on the cover for my next book which one day will be finished. Thanks to everybody at Acast for all their hard work with my

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