THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.231 - KERRY GODLIMAN

Episode Date: November 3, 2024

Adam rambles with British actor and comedian Kerry Godliman about being parents of teenage children, sibling rivalries, sex and sexy noises, calling a halt on the shit bits of technological progress and abandoning the Scrollers to join the Whittlers, haunted violins, acting tips, and Kerry's involvement with the sequel to one of the best-loved comedy films of all time. Conversation recorded face-to-face in London on 16th October, 2024CONTAINS STRONG LANGUAGEThanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing Podcast illustration by Helen GreenRELATED LINKSKERRY GODLIMAN WESBITE - LIVE SHOWS ETC.MEMORY LANE PODCAST WITH KERRY GODLIMAN AND JEN BRISTER (APPLE PODCASTS)KERRY GODLIMAN - LIVE AT THE APOLLO - 2024 (YOUTUBE)KERRY GODLIMAN - FULL COMEDY ROADSHOW - 2009TONEBALLS - (MARTINA HAWES - NEW VIOLINS BLOG) Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hey, Adam here with a shout out for a new podcast series that I'm acting in. It's called Up in Smoke. It's a dark, supernatural drama told in the style of a factual, true crime investigative podcast written and directed by Guy Larson and Cambria Bailey-Jones. Up in Smoke, the first two episodes are available now from your favorite podcast bin. I added one more podcast to the giant podcast bin. Now you have plucked that podcast out and started listening. I took my microphone and found some human folk.

Then I recorded all the noises while we spoke. My name is Adam Buxton, I'm a man, I want you to enjoy this, that's the plan. Hey, how you doing, Podcats? This is Adam Buxton reporting to you from quite a cold Norfolk farm track right at the beginning of November 2024. It's the weekend before November the 5th. Fireworks ahoy, literal and political. By this time next week we'll know what those crazy Americans will have decided to do with their next four years. But right here in Norfolk tonight we've got more pressing concerns, especially because I'm out with Rosie Buxton, my best dog friend in the world, just about

the best dog person you could ever meet, a Whippet Poodle Cross who has in recent weeks been worried about coming out for walks because of the bird-scaring cannons but I'm happy to say that they are no longer in evidence and even though Rosie has some residual timidity about coming out for a walk she was a little bit quaky as we left she seems to be doing all right now and And she bids you a warm hello. I'm not bidding them nothing, I'm just hoping we get back before the fireworks. Yes, fair enough. We'll get back before the fireworks, doglegs, don't worry.

So, in the spirit of keeping things tight, let me tell you a bit about podcast number 231, which features a rambling conversation. This is a good old rambling friendly conversation with British actor and stand-up comedian Kerry Godleman. Here's a few Kerry facts for you. Born in 1973 in Perivale, West London, Kerry trained at the Rose-Brewford College of Theatre and Performance. Her TV acting career began at the end of the 90s with the obligatory minor roles in Holby City, The Bill and Casualty, before she started, to get more comedic parts around the mid-2000s on the relationship sketch show Spoons, for example, and another sketch show, Rush Hour. That was where I first met Kerry. She played my long-suffering wife in a series of sketches about a dad who was a music bore.

One of them was about my character Rock Dad doing a family-friendly version of NWA's Fuck the Police as our young son sits in the back on his way to school and Kerry played his mum looking disapproving at the wheel. Didn't really make the most of Kerry's acting skills in that one, but what a sketch. In 2007, Kerry had a small role in the Ricky Gervais and Stephen Merchant show Extras, and in 2012, Ricky cast her again as a no-nonsense care home manager in his comedy drama Derek. That was the role that introduced many viewers to Kerry Godleman, but her profile was raised even higher when Ricky cast her once again in a recurring role as his character's late wife in another

internationally successful Gervais joint, Afterlife. In the meantime, Kerry has also starred alongside writer and actor Lennie James in his 2018 Sky Atlantic thriller Save Me and the sequel Save Me Too in 2022. Kerry is also the star of Acorn TV's Whistable Pearl, now in its third series, in which she plays restaurant owner turned private detective Pearl Nolan. But that's just a handful of Kerry's many acting roles. For the past couple of decades, she has also become an increasingly successful

stand-up comedian. As I speak, Kerry is working on new material in a smattering of live work-in-progress appearances around the country. And of course, she is a familiar face on all the finest TV panel shows including the Taskmaster which she won in 2017 but we didn't talk about Taskmaster or Gervais or any of that other stuff in our conversation which was recorded face-to-face back in mid-October just a few weeks ago of this

year 2024. Instead as parents of teenage children, we compared notes on the challenges of managing sibling rivalries, and how best to impart wisdom and advice to our children despite being flawed human beings ourselves. There was also some discussion of sex and sexy noises. With reference to adult material, Lucy Kirkwood's 2020 TV drama set in the porn industry that Kerry appeared in, along with Haley Squires, Rupert Everett and Phil Daniels. We also talked about why we yearn to call a halt on the shit bits of technological progress, and the dream of abandoning the scrollers and joining the whittlers. Plus haunted violins, acting tips and Kerry

reveals her recent involvement with the sequel to one of the best loved comedy films of all time. But we started by checking in on Kerry's wankxiety levels. Back at the end for a bit more waffle but right now with Kerry Godleman. Here we go. and have a ramble chat put on your conversation coat and hide your talking hat la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la who don't and they just go like that's what I'm like yeah but they're pretty rare I would say yes it's a funny thing just not knowing how to present yourself to the world when you're being relaxed and yeah just chatting because you want to be able to just go oh it doesn't really matter does it it's just chatting yeah exactly well I mean on the whole I think especially when it's relatively

trivial stuff which is exactly my bread and butter yeah then you can then you are relaxed but of course as soon as anything mildly controversial comes up yeah yeah people go okay you do start trying to think like what would that sound like to another human being yeah and then you're in knots that happens but even when you do that even when you are thinking like, well, I better tread carefully here, you can never get it right. No. You know what I mean?

Like there's always some perspective you're not going to appreciate. Totally. Instead of being tortured by the person that you wish you were. Yeah. I mean, do you have that person or are you fairly comfortable with yourself?

Mostly I'm all right with who I am, but then it is in this world this world of Whatever this is what's this world where you're presenting your personality entertainment slash self-promotion. Yes Then I'm like, oh Who are you? Yeah, it can all get very strange. Con it. Have you ever got in hot water before? Have you ever had a dark moment where you thought, ah, I wasn't comfortable with that? No, it isn't like extreme cancer phobia. It is just, just worrying about seeming like a wanker in a very trivial sort of sense.

It's just pretension and wankerdom. Wankxiety. Wankxiety. That's the name of your next special. Yeah. So you were saying you are off to meet your kids. I'm going to meet my kids after this. You're going to the theatre.

We're going to the theatre. Very good. I know I feel quite smug about it. Teenage kids, is that a regular thing? Well it was free tickets so I can dial down the smuggery. Yeah. Yeah, because they just offered them, which is a nice part of wank anxiety where you get offered free things.

Sure. You go, go on then, I'll have those. So yeah, taking the teenagers. But I was just saying to you before that they've got to join me in town and I don't know how successful that's gonna be. Why, because they're- Well, a 17 year old daughter, 14 year old son.

I wouldn't say they love hanging out with each other. I mean, I don't think they'll have a full blown fight, but she might face palm him into a hedge or something. I don't know, they can be a bit brittle. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad to hear that. Oh, really? Are yours? Yeah. Well, they've got beyond it. Yeah. Which I'm really happy about. It used to really stress me out.

Yeah, it does because you want your kids to get all yeah because Especially as I've grown up and I kind of wish that I had been closer to my brother and sister Yeah, so I thought when I had children and my boys are a couple of years apart I really wanted them to get on and have fun and did they know Not really. They were awful. Is it where you're like just be nice to they? No, not really. It's awful, isn't it, when you're like, just be nice to each other. Be nice, and then after a while,

it starts really breaking your heart. Like when they're mean to each other, and you can see as well that, especially the younger one, at a certain age, he wanted to be liked so much. He thought his older brother was the best. Yeah, I think my son kind of really idolizes his big sister Yeah, but she having been a big sister. There's this thing that's been discovered now this firstborn daughter thing

I don't think I've made it up. It's Googleable, but it's a new area of paranoia is if you're the firstborn daughter thing. Ah There are certain personality traits that are not necessarily all nice And I think I was a bit of a shit to my brother and I can see it sometimes with my daughter. And I just think, Oh, maybe it's Karmic cause I've, I was that person once, but just pure, not disdain, but no empathy at all. None. And you just think, but can't you see you're breaking his heart?

Don't give a fuck. I've pleaded occasionally like, please just be, just be nice. Yeah. And it sounds so pathetic. There's nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. Nothing you can do. But I'm here to tell you, I mean, maybe I'm speaking too soon, I don't know, but it's not like all their issues are sorted out, but my two boys are much, much kinder to each other now. And you said they went away when I saw you before you said they went away together. That's right.

They went to Japan. I mean, that's pretty lovely to have that sort of companionship. Yeah, it's good. They went off, they spent two weeks in Japan. They had an amazing time. But then like when they got back, there had definitely been some tension and we heard they were both like, yeah, that was amazing. It was brilliant. It was brilliant brilliant but when we drilled down into

it there was there was a few big old rows but you have to have those. Exactly. And what's the alternative being on your own in Japan which sounds a bit sadder and or being with a mate and you've had some beef with a mate anyway at least with your brother or sibling you are with family you can sort of experiment with emotions yeah and it not be the end of the world. Exactly. And I don't want to do my kids a dissert, they do get on as well, they can sometimes.

They've got shared enthusiasms and stuff like that. And as they get older, you can see, you know, them getting on more and more. Yeah, families. Families. But yes, hopefully all will be well and they'll meet me tonight. It'll be great.

So you're going gonna go to the theater What are you gonna see the Lion King? The Duchess of Malfi with Tony Whitaker. What's the Duchess of Malfi about? Don't ask me Adam. I don't know. I'm a total pleb. I don't know. I'm googling it. The Duchess of Malfi. I feel like it came up when I was studying drama The Duchess of Malfi is a Jacobean revenge tragedy. Oh my god. I'm not sure. If it weren't for the Jodie Whittaker, Doctor Who vibe, I'm not sure my kids would be.

Written by English dramatist John Webster. Okay. 1612. And, wow, that'll be good, a revenge tragedy. Well, I'm not brilliant with Jacobean. Like, I can be a bit, I'm not great with oldie-woldie stuff. Have you done any of that stuff? I did it at drama school.

Yeah. I did all the Shakespearean stuff. And you've worked with a very well-respected playwright as well. Adult Material was written by... Oh, Lucy Kirkwood. Lucy Kirkwood, yeah. She's extraordinary. So this is Adult Material, which by... Oh, Lucy Kirkwood. Lucy Kirkwood. Yeah, she's extraordinary. So this is Adult Material which came out in 2020 and was about the porn industry. That's right.

Four-part drama and it was sort of... I didn't see it. No. It was sort of funny, was it? Or... There was humor in it. Yeah, but it was... It was pretty... It was a drama really with humor in it, not a comedy with drama. I'd say it was that way around. I looked at a Guardian review, it's by Lucy Mangan who loved it. It won't satisfy moralistic blood and thunderers because it insists on the complexity of the industry and its makers. But by the same token, if the blood and thunderers would like some comfort, it will engage instead of alienate its users and maybe confront them with a little more truth

Than they would normally forgive me swallow So that sounds like a guardian review But she really liked it and it made me think like That totally passed me by in in 2020 when it was locked down times, wasn't it? Yeah locked down times and there was a lot of stuff fighting for your attention. Plus, maybe I wouldn't have gravitated towards something like that because it would sound like, oh, this is going to be rough. Well, I wouldn't sit and watch it with the kids because it's pretty graphic in parts. But it's rather brilliant. I think the writing is so good and Hayley Squires is amazing. It's a, it's a great story.

It's a workplace drama or a, I don't know, like a thriller, but it just is set in the porn industry. So what did you play? I played a barrister and I represent her kind of free because I feel so strongly about her circumstances. And she's been mistreated. She's been mistreated. Well, she's trying to protect someone that has been mistreated on set? She's been mistreated, well she's trying to protect someone that has been mistreated on set and it's a kind of legal battle about her rights and her and the protection of this other character

it's a lot about consent. It's interesting it was on around the same time as I May Destroy You which were two quite similar brilliant pieces of television around the theme of sort of consent and where the lines are and just very thought-provoking. Yeah. Did you have any scenes with Rupert Everett? Yeah I did. There was one scene in particular I think Jeff Daniels was in that scene and I think Rupert was in that scene. It's quite a big scene and it was a courtroom scene and there's a lot obviously a lot of sex stuff in it and this is by the time that people were regularly having intimacy coordinators. I think post-normal people that's become a kind

of given now on a set. Completely now just a standard thing. Sometimes to the irritation of some actors they're like oh for Christ's sake we'll work it out you know we don't need to have a core you know but it was very necessary on this particular production because there was a lot of sex in it and porn sex as well so it was a particular type of sex that is performative and they wanted it to look as authentic as they could get it. And then there were fantasy sequences as well and there was one scene in this courtroom where everybody was in it and Hayley's character sort of drifts off into her own imagination and she imagines everyone orgasming and it's meant to have

worked into this crescendo where they're like build it like wanking themselves off and then building themselves up to orgasm and I thought everybody had to do it and I was so relieved for the director was I don't think Harry's characters in that section of the courtroom so I was like I've never been more relieved but they used a what you call it an intimacy coach or choreographer or whatever and she said to everyone right I want you to imagine one to ten in Wanking terms and ten is orgasming and one is starting off and I will conduct you So that we can all build up together and you so that you're absorbed in me and my direction and not each other and whether you're

normal whether you're like wanking correctly your other and whether you're normal, whether you're like wanking correctly, you're being appropriate masturbators. So it was all like built up, built, okay, let's take it to a four. And everyone's like, let's take it to a nine. It was absolutely hilarious to watch. And everyone really went for it. And it looked great. But I wonder how it would have been if she hadn't been there to conduct it. It was the weirdest thing to watch a wank conductor building everyone up in secret like it together. But people they weren't nude. No. No they were just vocalizing. They were meant to be just masturbating in this fantasy in a courtroom including the judge and all the other barristers. I don't know how I've swerved this. Bloody

hell that's weird day's work. Yeah, definitely. I would have been in trouble. I guess I would have just... Well, I think everyone was a bit anxious about it. But you just go for kind of a cliche of what sex noises are, right? Yeah, totally.

But you'd be absorbed in what other people were doing, wouldn't you be like, oh, is that, oh, you're doing it, okay, you're doing it like that. Yeah, oh, you've got weird sex noises. Oh, you're gonna have, yeah. Your eyes closed or open or mouth open or closed. You make those noises or grunting grunting. Okay, we're going with that. Thank you. Exactly you wouldn't know what to do. So she was there to help. what to do so she was there to help. I'm sorry! This may be a too intimate a question but are you a vocalizer? Oh that is too intimate. I thought I'd try asking. I mean I can tell

you that I'm very quiet but that's because I'm an ex- Well it's because I'm an ex-boarding school boy. Oh so quiet wanks. Yeah, boy. Yeah. That's one thing they teach you. Be quiet. While you're masturbating. Yeah, there's no loud masturbation.

But then even if you're not at boarding school, you're not gonna be grunting and panting in near shot of your mom and dad and siblings, are you? That's a good point. But then when you're in a consensual relationship later on in your life, and I mean, obviously, I've never seen porn. I've only ever seen it with an intimacy coordinator standing by. And when I and that was for some research that I had to do. But when I did see that porn, I did see some people really going for it on the vocalization.

Right. But then is that performative? Front. That's porn, isn't it? I don't know. I mean, but you do hear people in hotels sometimes. Yeah, you're right, you do. And you do just think, what are you doing? Yeah, and don't you know that I'm on the other side of this wall?

Yeah. I would be mortified. Oh, god. Absolutely. I think it's good, because people should feel free and uninhibited. I am. Yeah. I feel inhibited, but I'm very happy there are people.

For other people. And they should be allowed to say whatever the hell they want even if it's really weird. But also, you know, that's part of intimacy though, isn't it? Is playing roles and exercising kind of- So untold. Aversion of yourself. Yeah I'm told a version of yourself yeah trying out a version of yourself that you wouldn't necessarily share

with people in other circumstances it's all good it's all probably good but I'm as long as it's consensual and as long as no one gets hurt then you go for your life but having said all that sex positivity, et cetera, at the end of the day, if I watch adult material, I'd probably appreciate it and I'd probably agree with that guardian review, but I really don't think I would want my kids to go into the porn industry. No, I'd rather not than not. And if that makes me a blood and thunderer, then I apologize.

A moralistic blood and thunderer, then I'm sorry. That's fair enough. My daughter follows a sex worker on Instagram that's a huge influencer and she was trying to tell me, you know, and I was being a bit reactive and like, oh, I don't, you know, what? Being very- Yeah, that's not to say that I would ever impugn anyone's choice to work within that industry. No, me either.

Blah, blah, blah. I just was suddenly like, oh, but you have my daughter's ear and she's a kid and da, da, da, da, da. I don't know. She was kind of like, this person was an influencer, so influencing my child. You just go, I don't know how comfortable I am with all of what you're saying, you know, and I don't want to shut people down from expression and blah, blah, blah. But these, again, they're sort of choppy waters of parenting, social media, your kids drifting into things

maybe you'd rather they didn't, but you also want them to be not as uptight as you. I don't know, all that. And when I did adult material, and there was quite a lot of press around it and got myself into actually these conversations, I found that I was very ill equipped to talk, you know, brilliantly as a parent on it just in a state of panic a lot of the time. Of course, I think most parents are I don't know any parents who've got all this sorted. No, I think the one route I sometimes wish I had gone down was to be much more of a autocrat and just say, no, you're not going to have any phones. Right. I mean, there have been times, well, my daughter was 13 in lockdown and all the rules we had just flew out the window because it was all so fucking miserable that it was

like, and their schooling was online and everything was online their whole life was online So suddenly you're like, well now there's all bets are off. That's right. They're just permanently online It's like people who used to not have TVs when they were growing up Yeah, I don't like a TV in the bedroom, but they've got their phone in their bedroom Yeah, I mean I think it's a legitimate choice if you're a parent and you say like No, we're not gonna have screens of any kind. And that's the environment we're going to grow up in. You can't do that though.

It's not realistic. It isn't realistic. It's much more of a struggle and there's no guarantee that it's necessarily going to have the outcome that you want because it might be that you end up with quite a disconnected and cranky kid. Totally. And the energy required to enforce it. It makes me so irritated with the remorseless march of

technology like there's absolutely nothing we can do just to say now we're okay for the moment we're fine. Let's stop here. This is fine and I've got everything I need and this is all brilliant entertaining and useful stuff but really we're fine we don't need more. It's the thing of just feeling that you have to occupy every idle moment by looking at something That I find Distressing but you can get out of it I think they say it takes five days or something to lay down a new neural pathway Yeah, so that you can form a different habit and if you for swear whatever it might be

on a different habit. And if you for swear, whatever it might be, booze or if you just wanna get into the habit of running or eating differently or whatever, apparently it takes about five days. So the initial phase is just full of anxiety and just thinking, this is not gonna work. Do I really need to give this thing up or do I really need to do that other thing anyway?

Is it gonna make that much of a difference? All those feelings you have when you're trying to change your behavior. But then much quicker than you imagine, it's fine. Yeah, I mean, I have had detoxes from it. So I know that it can, and some of the things you just mentioned, like I don't drink very much anymore,

or things that are good for you, I'm better at managing or whatever, but that is the one Achilles heel, which is like, ah, and then the hypocrisy of telling your kids what to do when you're just about. Yeah, that's the thing. That is the worst feeling of parenthood, is just the massive hypocrisy.

Totally. I quite like this teenage times. It's not as hard as when they were little. Little was exhausting, lovely, but exhausting. Sleep deprivation. I bet you did more work than I did as a parent. Well, it was fairly easy, even evenly spread. My husband did a lot. I was really gigging a lot when they were little, doing a lot of stand up and driving around the country and

stuff like that. So yeah, Ben was at home with them more than me probably. Yeah. Oh, it is hard when they're young. It's just, because it's quite lonely, I think. Yes. Did you find that? Really isolating, yeah. Like you really get, you've been partying hard in the years leading up to having kids. And then it's a very different social world, isn't it? Totally.

Yeah. I mean, maybe you might, you might get lucky and hang out with a load of really nice parents in the- I met some nice people through the kids. That's right. You're right. It is just a different scene, isn't it? I remember joining NCT really just to make friends. They sort of babble on about childbirth.

You're like, who's going to be my friend? You're paid to join a friendship group, really. How about the school gates? How did you get on there? I made some nice friends through the gates. I mean, it's a funny old scene, isn't it? My brother hates it. He always sort of finds, he always says, oh God, it's a social nightmare. If you're not that way inclined to just chit chat and make small talk. I don't know what it's like for dads.

It might be a bit different now, but for moms, it was probably a bit more easygoing. Yeah. My wife's incredibly good at it. It's definitely a life skill. What about WhatsApp groups? How are you feeling about those? I don't, I don't use WhatsApp.

A lot of dads don't like the parent WhatsApp groups. I tweeted, well I don't tweet very much now, ex, but I did once post, dads are a bit quiet on the old WhatsApp groups, aren't they? And the shit I got, Adam, I've never had so much trolling in my life. We're not wanted. We're not fucking wanting on the WhatsApp groups All right. All right Calm down because I just think it's another form of social media and I know it absolutely is and it's all like no

Come on, don't be so annoying. It's really useful. It's not social media. It's private people like it's not you're not broadcasting to the whole world It's just if I didn't have WhatsApp I wouldn't be able to organize all these important things. And aren't you- Do not do it at all? Aren't you lucky that you can opt out? No, I don't do it at all. But every now and again,

I will notice that someone has messaged me. And you just ignore it. And I just ignore it because I think I'm sorry, but I can't, I can't. Can't deal with it. I can't get into that. Yeah. You know, if it's- But then dads are a bit different. I remember like, my husband can't, I can't, I can't get into that. Yeah. You know,

but then dads are a bit different. I remember like my husband used to take like a book to soft play and I think, who the fuck are you? Who takes a book to soft play while I'm sort of crawling around in all those piss smelling balls. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And he's like reading some highbrow piece of literature.

He's just wired up different. That's impressive. Now, I mean, I'm sure people just think I'm a massive bellend. Who, the people who are trying to message me on, on- It's boundaries though, isn't it? You're protecting your boundaries. I feel I am, but you know, this is all about privilege on some level, isn't it? Because I have the privilege-

You can opt out. of opting out. I have the privilege of having a wife who is fully engaged with that world. Well, as long as there's no resentment around it, then that's all right. It doesn't seem to. I mean, there's resentment from me about her using it so much. I just say, you don't have to use it. If it's important. But you sort of do.

Oh, that's what she says. I think you do. I mean, if you opt out of all of it You are wiggling in a wood. I mean like you you're off-grid aren't you? You're those people and you're not You want your kids to exist in the world, you know, like we were going back to earlier. It's like The world has changed from when we were little so there is this kind of reality for them And if you take them out of it, you're probably doing them a bit of a disservice on the other hand

you may well not be and You know a lot of the most interesting people you meet are people who have had a very different upbringing and people What the whittlers? The whittler family. Yeah the spoon carvers Sometimes they can be weird, but sometimes they can be absolutely delightful well well-adjusted. But they're really earnest and smug about it, aren't they? That's what you're telling yourself. They're like, oh, you're judging me. I feel judged by them.

You secretly, you want to be a whittler but you feel locked into the... We only have wooden toys. You feel locked in with the scrollers. We don't have any screens and we just have wooden toys. You dream of escaping the scrollers to join the whittlers. There's got to be more to life than just scrollers and whittlers. There's got to be. No, I do lean towards the whittler.

I scroll whittlers. Well, that's that, but that is the backbone of a lot of the internet is websites telling you how you're screwing up your life and how much simpler it could be and more wittily. Yeah, definitely. I follow all those people, the folky off-grid people. I follow them like a moron. You follow all of them.

I hunt them down and I follow them. And they're all in the wood looking happy with themselves. Making toys out of twigs. Yes, cooking their dinner on an open fire. Well, good for them. I do secretly aspire to be one of them. Yeah. I mean, it would, I would be fine. I really would be fine if they, if the solar flare came, it would be inconvenient for a few weeks. But the thing is, then're fine. You were just and you would be fine without any of these things Oh, I agree. I know that in my heart. I do I

Mean, it would be so addictive Just so fun. I saw you talking to Russell What one of the Russells Howard Howard Russell Howard? I saw you talking about the fact that your're, you were talking a little bit about devices and kids and stuff and you said that when your daughter was young, she asked you what tea bagging was. Yeah.

Oh, that's bad. Yeah, I mean, that's awkward. Yeah, and how did you deal with that? I don't remember. Showed her. No. Ha ha ha ha. Googled it, found some images on the dark web.

I don't remember. It's heartbreaking, isn't it? You just think, how do you protect them from it? You've got to go and live in the woods in a yurt and be a whittler. That's the only way. But yeah, I can't remember what I said about the tea bagging. I think you dodged it. I think if I remember rightly, she asked you if you knew what it was and you said yes.

And that was the end of that. Ask me another time. Yeah, they're easy to manipulate aren't they? Dodge. We're halfway through the podcast. I think it's going really great. The conversation's flowing like it would between a geezer and his mate Alright mate, hello geezer, I'm pleased to see you

Ooh, there's so much chemistry, it's like a science lab of talking I'm interested in what you said Thank you There's fun chat and there's deep chat, it's like Chris Evans is meeting Stephen Hawking We are recording over in the east, quite near Brick Lane. You called it what? Hipster Disneyland? Hipster Disneyland.

And Kerry, you are a fan of the old vintage shop. My mum had a stall at Port Bella Road when I was a kid, so I have a kind of hoarder in me that will get a bit overex over excited around, you know, that smell of vintage clothes and it's all a bit like giddy, but not wear it. Is it the stuff they've sprayed on to try and get rid of the BO? Moths, mothballs, like overly excited. What are you looking for? Well, what I mean, anything, everything sparkly things, vintage sparkly things. Just

things that I so often buy things that I never wear. You know just get like oh that's that's an amazing jacket or dress or whatever and then not wear it. And then there's never the right time. No not really or it doesn't fit more's the point. What did your mum do then? What was her main gig? Is she still with us? Your mum? Yes she is yeah she had a had a store not on Port Bella Road, is it Galbourne Road, that end? And it was like an arcade, her and her then business partner and they used to sell 40s and 50s clothes. So that would have been in the early 80s, no maybe late 70s. I was quite little. I used to go with her on a Saturday morning and sit there and there was a bloke who sold vinyl, because it was one of those arcades, and he sold vinyl

at the end and he used to play all that sort of rockabilly music and stuff. It's quite vivid memories. Yeah. Well, that's a good vibrant scene. Yeah. And I still love going around there. It's not changed that much from when I was little, Portobello Road, whereas say maybe Camden has.

Like Camden's really changed. It feels quite touristy. Yeah. But Portobello Road still feels like it did when I was little, Portobello Road, whereas say maybe Camden has. Like Camden's really changed, it feels quite touristy. But Portobello Road still feels like it did when I was a kid. What about your dad, is he around still? Yeah, my dad's around. My dad's a violin maker. Is he?

Yeah, funny job, isn't it? What's the name for that? Is it Luth? A Luthia's a guitar maker, is a Luthia also a violin maker? I think it is, yes. And he's still working, he still restores. He doesn't make instruments anymore, but he restores them. Wow. That's amazing. How did he get into that? Is that an old family thing? Not at all. He went to a secondary modern school

and went for an apprenticeship and got it. And they trained him. So it's quite a 60s tale, isn't it? That boomer. An apprenticeship. You could leave school in the morning and be employed by the afternoon Yeah, luthier in the afternoon. Yeah, why because he loved musical instruments or no, not especially I mean, he just lucked out. I think he became maybe it's the whittler. I have the little yeah Woodsman or he definitely became very enthusiastic about it once he was doing it But prior to being employed by that company that trained him, I don't think there was any backstory there.

Because that's the thing that I envy so much is a craft. I wish I had a craft. A trade. That generation really had a good time, didn't they, those boomers? Because they just got apprenticeships or trades and they had regular employment in a way that doesn't seem to be true so much for young people now. Also, you're not going to be replaced by AI if you are a luthier.

No, I suspect not. I think they're still one of the few instruments that are made, violins are made by, maybe you can get a machine to make them but they won't be used. Sure, but they're not going to sound the same. No, a musician would probably prefer a handmade one. And sometimes what's really lovely is occasionally one of his old instruments comes back into his life. So he'd sold it 30 years ago and then obviously it's been sold on since by various musicians. And then someone will get in touch with him and go, I've recently got a Martin Godliman instrument and I see

that you're still doing repair work. So would you like to come and repair it? Oh, wow. And he just works in the shed in the back of the house Yeah, yeah, he just works in the garage. That's beautiful. Yeah I think when he was a younger man, he did think it was beautiful and he would talk about it and be passionate about it Now he's like Don't know why he doesn't retire he should just retire and call it a day Has he ever play And he doesn't play. This is going to be a short tangent. Has he ever reported a haunted instrument?

No. There you go. But he has told me that inside there's he's got a little old tobacco box full of these little balls of dust that are called mice and the dust that gathers inside and moves around and rolls about inside the chamber of the instrument and then occasionally he'll just get them out and put them in this little tobacco tin and they're called little mice. Instrument dust mice. It's really weird. Is that his name for them or is that the trade name? No I think it might be a trade name. Mice? Yeah. Wow. Little bits of probably facial hair that's falling in

through those beautiful holes. Yeah, bits of skin and all sorts of stuff. Dust and bogies. And he keeps them because he feels like they're little remnants of the people that played them. Yeah, there's a little bit of I don't know little Stradivarius bogey A little Stradivarius bogey in there. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, it's an interesting It's always all my life It's been a thing that when you say like people ask what your dad does and I got my dad's a violin maker He's always been like what and it is a really odd Thing isn't it? But he isn't particularly Excitable about it about it anymore now.

That's always been his sole trade. Right from school. He trained up literally straight from school. So he's not hang gliding in his spare time or anything like that? No, fishing I suppose is his only hobby, a bit of angling. And is your ma still in the rag trade? She no, she gave that all up when I was a kid. So she's had lots of different jobs, but she trained to be an Alexander teacher. Oh, that's like posture and breathing, is that right?

Posture and breathing and alignment and use of yourself. Yes. I remember when I was at drama school, one of my voice teachers looked me up and down and went, have you ever considered having Alexander lessons? And I said, my mum is a teacher actually She was like wow not very good way. You should really ask your mom But you don't take you don't like doing what your mom and dad tell you to do do you have so fucking my mama Goes drop your shoulder be like fuck

Don't take very kindly to being told what to do. What was it my son said the other day? My son is so, I mean I love them all, but my eldest is funny and he is, like he's quite musical, he's writing some songs and they're good, but they're, to my ear, I had a note for him. Oh, you shouldn't, you've done that. How did you do that? I mean I really had, I bet he was like don't! I stopped myself for so long because I just thought this is never gonna go well. But then

I just thought it's such a simple note that I'm gonna give him and if he just did this note I know it would make all the difference. How did it go? I just said you just need to make them simpler. They don't need to be so complicated. Okay. Just walk before you agree. He was just like, and then he said, play me one of your ones again. He's like, I mean, are you happy with that? Well, it seems to me, because if your kid does the thing you do, like my daughter started acting now and I will direct her sometimes. Oh really? Yeah, because she's doing like tape, self tapes and monologues. And it is hard to give your kids notes on a thing that you do. Yeah. But you also have to understand that they have to express themselves and the baggage of a mum note or a dad note is not the same as a teacher note or a director note. It's a different thing.

Absolutely. But the thing is that there are so many, when I look back on stuff that I did when I was his age I'm cringing constantly can and I'm just thinking like where were the why didn't anyone tell me like don't do that It's such a simple fix. Yeah, you can make it so much better if you did this this and this but then I think back And I think actually maybe people did The simplest note that often I'll be saying to her slow down Yeah, it's the simplest know that often I'll be saying to her slow down. Yes, the simplest know Yeah, and I can remember that Went all through you know me doing performing every note was always slow down. It is the note, isn't it?

Yeah, it's like that's the difference between when people do public speaking and stuff the difference between someone who is just fine or Obviously nervous like most people are and the difference between someone who everyone goes, wow, that was good, is they just go slower. That is like half the battle. Yeah. And it feels so unnatural when you're up there to just- It just feels so odd. Like you think, oh, surely they think I've gone to sleep

mid-thought. Yeah. And it's like, no, that's the pace you should go at. Yeah, that's a good note. My My son though he came back after a few days I nearly cried because it was such a sweet thing to do and he's like, yeah I tried writing a simpler song and it is better. Oh, well, there you go That's good. It did go in but then again, I don't know if you're like this, but then again I was sort of thinking I shouldn't have even made the thing in the first place

Oh, you know, I guess I got in his head and just the fact that I was in his head that made me feel bad but at the same time he came to you with the material he didn't come to me he didn't come to me I overheard it okay oh right yeah that so you went I was walking through and I paused alright it seems different if he offered it yeah yeah I'm sure he I'm sure he appreciates you giving this shit. Oh, Matt, the thing is, as a parent, half the battle as a parent is not to dwell on these moments. Totally.

Because if you think on, you know, you think about all the things that you're getting wrong and all the things you're screwing up and all the ways that you're... Don't dwell on it. Yeah, you just... But what about kids that are just ignored by their parents? So, I mean, you're not doing that, that's the worst.

That's what I always tell myself, yeah. I just think, well, I'm not as bad as some, but I don't know. And other times I think, that's no way to be, just to tell yourself, oh, I'm not the worst. It's a coping strategy. I'm not beating them to sleep every night. So I'm great.

No. But anyway. I'm gonna be a good boy, after having been a bit more in acting mode this year. Yeah, what have you been up to acting wise? I did another series of Wistful Pearl that's out now and I was also filming spinal tap the sequel. Oh my god Yeah, so we did that in New Orleans earlier this year And I don't know when that'll be out, but I think it's not gonna be that long who's directing that Rob Reiner That's Rob Reiner again. I know directed it and it was the whole original cost the band. Whoa I know it's mad and what he was in it and I want John had a scene with Elton John

He was kind of mad. The whole experience was a dream. And what's the idea like? Is it a continuation of the story? The premise is that they're all out of touch. They haven't seen each other for a long time. And I play the manager's daughter, Tony Hendrick, who played the manager. I'm his daughter, Hope, and Hope Faith. And then Garth Brooks does a cover of a tap number and it goes viral and I've inherited the contract and I realized that they have to play a gig because one of their songs has gone mega.

And so I bring them back together and then they have a gig. Oh my God. It was amazing. You got a good part in that thing. I had a really nice part. Yeah, I really enjoyed the character. Yeah. Holy shit, I'm overwhelmed by that news. I am and I'm in it. I mean, the whole thing felt kind of

dreamy. I did a film with Christopher Guest about eight years ago. Mascots. Yeah. Mascots. And that was a brilliant experience. And it's the one and only time I've ever been to LA and had a great time. But it was starting to feel like something that was a one-off rather than a regular experience but I got this text one evening from my voiceover agent saying look at your emails with a head exploding emoji and there in my emails was an email from Rob Reiner's assistant saying Rob's trying to get hold of Kerry for potentially playing this character in the Spinal Tap sequel. I just thought it was a sort of wind-up but it transpired to be real and then two days later I was on a zoom with Rob Reiner.

Holy Moses. Yeah. How did he know about your stuff? Like what did he send you? I think Christopher must have suggested me to him for this character. Chris Guest who plays Nigel Tufnell. Who plays Nigel Tufnell and Who plays Nigel Tufnell. And right from when me and Ben first got together, he's always said, I sound like David St. Hubbins. It's been a running joke. Actually, now I'm looking at you. Your hair is looking a bit St. Hubbins.

Oh, shit. It's good, it's nice. He's got lovely hair, St. Hubbins. It's the leather trousers and the little, uh, tank top. Yeah, so he's, I mean, obviously for certain people, certain generation, it's a beloved thing, isn't it, Spider Tap? Yeah, and was there a moment's hesitation? No, no, not at all.

So Rob Reiner, how was he? He was, he was exactly how you imagine. He was like a being with a Hollywood legend. And because he's playing Marty, he's doing the same character that he does in the original. Marty DeBurghy. Marty DeBurghy. So he's wearing all the kind of,

what would you call that outfit? Like a kind of directory, safari almost. He's got like the lens round his neck and stuff like that. So he really, he was a lot of fun. He was, they were all so lovely and really excited to be doing it and probably didn't know if they ever would do it, you know, put the band back together and they've got such affection for each other. I think the two main loves for the band anyway is doing the English accents. that's just heaven for them

just talking in those voices which I'm you know you're like that's how I talk every day and and the music just jamming together and playing music together it's really lovely what was your favorite scene in the original movie oh god I love it when they're doing the animals, the sketches of the act, when Janine's telling them what that spirit animal. There's so many. Is this a joke? Is this a joke? And there are a lot of the Chris Guest stuff.

When they're at Elvis's grave, it's too much. That's Raga. That's fucking Raga. We've gone Raga. It's a nice fucking perspective. Yeah, there's just so many great moments in it. Michael McKean. How was he? Brilliant just such a joy. I mean them was such a joy to work. I'm glad to hear they all go back so far

Right, they've known each other since they were 18 and they all genuinely get on still do that There's a really deep love and friendship between them And I suppose the premise of that whole original is that they're like it's two best friends falling out and getting back together again Isn't it? like, it's two best friends falling out and getting back together again, isn't it? Yeah, that's right. So it's kind of a little bit echoes of that, you know, in the, in the sequel and, and these brilliant cameos, Paul McCartney and Elton John. Did you do a scene with McCartney?

I didn't have a scene with McCartney, but on McCartney day, everybody just found a reason to hang out on set. Yeah. So it was quite nice to be on the monitors that day. Oh, you turned up for it. Oh yeah, everyone turned up for it. And then I did have a scene with Elton John and David Furnish and they were really, I mean, also you're doing improvisation.

So you don't really know if they're going to bite. You're like, I will see how this goes. Yeah. David Furnish was hilarious. We did a very long improv. I've been curious to see how much makes the edit. That's the other thing with improvisation. You don't really know what the cuts gonna be like, you know I watched spinal tap not that long ago and it is it really just great. It's so great

I watched it with the kids because it's really lean. Yeah, and it goes fast. It rockets along It doesn't slack and I love all that I forgotten and really enjoyed Remembering the bits with like real fans cut in Yeah, so they've tried to obviously recreate a lot of that with the gig So the gig was at this amazing venue in New Orleans and they got about 2,000 essays that were all tap fans and had come from all over To be at this gig and it was quite exciting about yeah bet. Yeah and the music was great as well. The band, a pretty tight band. What's the track that revives their career? Might be

Sex Farm. I can't fully remember. I think it's Sex Farm. Sex Farm Woman. I'm gonna mow you down. So wrong. But we just love that film. Like first time I saw Spinal Tap I didn't get it. No, and I understand neither did they when they screened it. Right. Because I mean I didn't know anything about that world. No, nothing existed like that. I didn't care about heavy metal, I hadn't seen any... No one had made a fake documentary before.

Well Bad News was the comic strip one wasn't it did that come out before? Spinal I think that's been like they kind of came out around the same time But yeah, no same and I think that I think the story goes that when they screened it for the first time People came out going well. Why did I just watch a documentary about a shit band? Yeah I think I thought it was supposed to be funny, but I just thought it's not that funny. No. I don't get it. It takes a while to get under your skin.

Because one of the early scenes is them talking about the drummers, and I thought it was a bit too silly. Yeah. Like I just thought, yeah, okay, it's supposed to be funny, but I don't get it. And then I just saw it again a couple of years later. You know, this is when I was 14 or something. Yeah, yeah. And then the next time I saw it, everything clicked. And it's the voices.

The voices especially were so funny. And they love being in those voices. They just love hanging out in those accents. And then we got the record. When I say we, it's me and Joe and Louie Theroux and our friend Zach. And we got the record. And it we, this is me and Joe and Louis Theroux and our friend Zach and we got the record and it was so exciting to actually hear the songs, the full songs. And we were so impressed by how good they were.

And I think they play all that music. They play all of it. They're brilliant musicians. I mean, Chris Guest just noodles away on the guitar all the time and they've done some massive gigs. They've done Glastonbury. Yeah. That's right. gigs. They've done Glastonbury. Yeah. Um, that's right. Yeah.

They love playing together and it's harder and harder for them to do that because they're just, you know, they don't all live in the same place and they're busy. Mike McKean is super busy acting all the time and Harry Shearer lives in New Orleans and I think the others live in California. And so it was kind of special for them to all get together and make that movie. Bad News Tour came across as being slightly ahead of its time. So it was kind of special for them to all get together and make that movie. Bad News Tour came across as being slightly ahead of its time.

It was released a year before This Is Spinal Town. And I think... That's mad, isn't it? Yeah, because that was the comic strip. That was Aide Edmondson and Rick Maile and all that lot. And they're really similar. They're about a heavy metal band that are a bit shit and fractious. And also, as well when

you do work in like how many times have you been at a gig and said let's rock and roll when you're stuck down a corridor or you know hello Cleveland hello Cleveland, you meet a dead end or you know the billing is below the puppets so there's just so many tropes of like ego and show business that are just nailed. They were still booing the last lot when we came on. It's just so quotable, isn't it? So I can't wait to see whatever it is when it comes out. And then did you get to sort of hang out in the evening and go out to see music and things like that?

Yeah, we always go into gigs. There was just music everywhere. I mean, it really is kind of a magical place where there's just music pouring out of every building. Yeah. It was great. Chris Addison was there as well. He's in it.

And, uh, and Nina Conti came over and she's in it as well. So we had some fun. Oh my God. That's, that is so exciting. I can't wait to see it. No, I can't wait to see it. I mean, I don't, who knows what it will will be and it's so beloved, isn't it? And what's amazing as well is that a lot of younger people I'll say I'm doing spud is one or tap

they don't know what it is it really is a specific age thing and Comedians love it musos love it and then there's all the rest of it's kind of a quite a niche in a way I don't think you've got to kind of just shut yourself off from the response to it probably because. Because there's no way I would ever have not done it. Yeah. They were like you saying was there a nanosecond where you thought shall I? There wasn't, there really wasn't. It was just like a kind of dream job really. Of course. Yeah. Just to meet all that lot. That's the thing is that they're all so talented and they've all, I guess it's cool because every one of that cast has done very well. Yeah.

Yeah, you're right. And in very different things. Harry Shearer in The Simpsons, Chris Guest keeps directing, Michael McKean's brilliant. He's in so many things. He's in Better Call Saul and all that kind of stuff. And Rob Reiner did alright, didn't he? He went on to make quite a few films. I think so yeah he's a legend. And Rob Reiner did alright didn't he? He went on to make quite a few films. I think so, he's a legend.

We watched a few there, some of the, well Stand By Me we already mentioned, but watched what else with the kids, when Harry met Sally and... God he directed that as well. Yeah, Misery. He did A Few Good Men. A Few Good Men. And Misery, those are two of my favourite films. Yeah, it's amazing isn't it?

That is amazing. So you're heading off to the theater. Yes, I'm so cultured. How do you know how long the play is? I don't, I really don't. I hope it isn't super long. A whole long, long night of Jacobean theater. I bet it's great. Jodie Whittaker is going to be wonderful. I'm sure she'll be wonderful. But anything longer than 90 minutes and it's a hard hour. I agree, it's also a situation.. I mean I don't like long films, I don't like long plays. How long is the Duchess of Malfi? Don't tell me if it's over an hour and a half. It's better if I don't know. Duchess of Malfi. Oh what? Oh what? How long is it?

Oh god. Two hours? Three hours? Three hours? In between. Two and a half hours? Including the interval? Yes. That's not too bad. That's not too bad. They're bound to make it modern. Aren't they? Yeah, yeah. They're not going to do it in all Jacobean.

I'm not great with iambic pentameter and... Oh no, they have modernised it. Oh good. Thank Christ, look at that. Wait. This advert is for Squarespace. Oh yeah! I wanted to get weathered towns and finally build myself a website. Oh ho ho!

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features our conversation from a few weeks back thanks again for doing it this voice note might actually be in the outro and I wanted to know how the theater was in the end did it go well did the kids absolutely go nuts for the Jacobean tragedy? Let me know! Hope you're very well. Thanks again for doing the podcast. Take care. Love you. Bye! That was a brilliant message. Quite short. Shorter than most of my messages. Let's see if Kerry gets back to me. In the meantime I wanted to point out for the violin aficionados amongst you podcats that I googled the little balls of fluff that

Kerry's dad finds in the instruments that he repairs. I couldn't find anyone referring to them as mice, not to say that no one does, but I did find a reference to them as tone balls, which is rather beautiful, and I found a blog dedicated to a collection of tone balls by a violin maker and restorer called Martina Hoare, H-A-W-E, and she's got quite a few nice pictures of tone balls, which come to think of it would be quite a brilliant album cover idea, wouldn't it? Oh man, I'm calling my album, I think, Buckle Up. It was going to be called Pizza Time, but currently I'm thinking Buckle Up. But maybe it's not too late to change it to Toneballs. Well, if not then

Bags Toneballs is the title to my next album and maybe the cover would be some of these pictures. Either of Kerry's dad's Toneballs, or maybe I'll get in touch with Martina and ask if I can feature some of hers. She writes underneath one picture, violin toneball found in a GB Guadagnini violin made in Parma, 1770. It came to me via London as a donation from a kind colleague who has supported my toneball passion with a few more balls so far. Maybe it's Kerry's dad. Who is her colleague? The toneball, she says of the photograph, is 14 millimetres in diameter. I'd call it a size L for a violin ball. It's just small enough to

squeeze in through an F hole. Stop it. The density is good. Roundness is excellent. The main colouration is grey with a few red, white and blue particles. One long hair is wound around the whole ball a few times, like the rings of Saturn. Personal rating, 8 out of 10. Poetry. I would never have found it had I not had that conversation with Kerry. Tone balls. There's a link to that blog in the description. Well that's it for this episode. Myself and Rosie are going to get back before any loud firework

banging begins, hopefully. Thank you very much indeed once again to Kerry for giving up her time to waffle with me. It was lovely to see her and she has texted me back. Hello! The kids loved the play. It was very modern and gory, possibly too gory. My son was quite quiet afterwards, worried he was disturbed. Great production though.

Hope you're well. Thanks Kerry. Hope you understood that I was gonna read out your message on the podcast anyway. I think that was fine. Glad you enjoyed the play. Thank you to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for his invaluable production support.

Thanks to Helen Green. She does the illustration for this podcast. Rosie. Dog legs. Hey, Rose. Look, I'm gonna let you off because we are getting back towards the castle so you can run free for the final section. There you go, see you back there and thanks to everyone at Acast for all their hard work liaising with my sponsors. But perhaps most of all

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