THE ADAM BUXTON PODCAST - EP.236 - KIELL SMITH BYNOE

Episode Date: December 16, 2024

Adam waffles with actor, comedian and writer Kiel Smith Bynoe, star of Ghosts, Stath Lets Flats, Man Like Mobeen and Taskmaster, about the secret to getting ahead in the entertainment industry, Kiell's father and his unorthodox approach to family life, Junior Spesh good times as a young grime star, and the reason we won't be seeing Kiell on Sewing Bee anymore.Conversation recorded face-to-face in London on December 9th, 2024.Thanks to Séamus Murphy-Mitchell for production support and conversation editing and to Frank Buxton for additional editing.Podcast illustration by Helen Green THE CHRISTMAS WISH-TRASTROPHE by Cariad Lloyd - 2024 (WATERSTONES)RELATED LINKSKIELL ON INSTAGRAMBOSSKI (KIELL SMITH BYNOE) DAY ONE MANDEM - 2020 (YOUTUBE)RED HOT ENTERTAINMENT - JUNIOR SPESH (ft. Jaxor, Klayze Flaymz, Terra & Ray) - 2007 (YOUTUBE)THE FRIED CHICKEN SHOP - JUNIOR SPESH VISIT ROOSTERS - 2012 (YOUTUBE)CHEEKY NANDOS - PERI BOYS (Vuj, Mim, Klayze) - 2015 (YOUTUBE)GRACIOUS K - MIGRAINE SKANK (OFFICIAL VIDEO) - 2009 (YOUTUBE)RED FLAG (KIELL'S COMEDY BLAP) - 2022 (YOUTUBE)KIELL'S UPLIFTING MOVIE PICKMOONRISE KINGDOM (TRAILER) Directed by Wes Anderson - 2012 (YOUTUBE)CARIAD LLOYD'S UPLIFTING MOVIE PICK MY NEIGHBOUR TOTORO (ENGLISH TRAILER) Directed by Hayao Miyazaki - 1988 (YOUTUBE)STUDIO GHIBLI NATURE LOOP - 2020 (YOUTUBE)Relax with these peaceful visuals from Studio Ghibli. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hey, how you doing podcats? It's Adam Buxton here. I'm here where I belong, stomping up a farm track I'm here where I belong, stomping up a farm track in East Anglia with my best dog friend Rosie. She's joined me, I would have to say reluctantly. She's always reluctant at the beginning of the walks these days, but by the time we're about halfway round the circuit, which usually takes us about an hour in total, it's a good long walk. Then she's much more into the whole idea, but this initial stage she tends to be a bit reticent. Yeah, now we're out on the top stretch of field in the open exposed to the wind blowing quite hard from the west as the last deep orange rays of sunshine fade on the horizon beneath a dark canopy of cloud moving above us. It's only 4.15 and yet in another quarter of an hour it'll be

dark. This isn't even the shortest day of the year. That's next weekend, 21st of December. But from then on we'll be journeying together out of the dark and towards the light. Speaking of which, let me tell you a bit about podcast number 236, which features a rambling conversation with British actor, comedian and writer, Kyle Smith Bino. Bino Facts. Born in 1989, Kyle grew up in East Ham in the London borough of Newham. He attended an all-boys school in Forest Gate where his contemporaries included a number of aspiring musicians working within the electronic dance and hip-hop sub-genre grime, which was blowing up at the time.

Kyle himself was a grime MC, known as Clay's Flames. And in 2007, Red Hot Entertainment, one of the crews that Kyle was a part of, enjoyed a viral hit with their song Junior Speche, an homage to the £1.50 Junior Special Meal served at Canning Town's Southern Fried Chicken Outlet, a favourite eatery near the £20 an hour studio where Red Hot Entertainment would record their grime tracks. Here's a quick blast of Junior Spash And it's Junior Spash Yeah And it's Junior Spash Junior Junior Junior Junior

Yeah And it's Junior Spash Junior Spash by Red Hot Entertainment In 2009, Kael's friend and sometime collaborator Gracious K had a hit with his track, Migraine Skank And as you'll hear in our conversation Kyle joined him on the road to promote it. Bit of Migraine Skank by Gracious K there for you. Meanwhile Kyle was working hard to realize his acting ambitions, having started young,

attending a Saturday drama school, then after-school drama, summer school drama, and then the Theatre Royal Stratford East Youth Theatre, and then East 15 Drama School. One of the skills Kyle picked up in those years was for comedy improv, which continues to be a central part of his life. In the form of his improv shows, Cool Story Bro, Cool with a K, KSB, you see, Kyle Smith Biner. In these shows, a hit this year at Edinburgh, Kyle and a cast of comedian friends that includes the likes of Emma Ciddy and Lola Rose Maxwell, plus special guests, improvise recreations of embarrassing recollections supplied by the audience.

Scripted roles for Kyle started coming slowly in the early 2010s. He was also making comedy YouTube videos, some with friend of the podcast, K Van Novak. But it was towards the end of the decade, around 2018, when it seemed as though Kyle was appearing in one hit TV comedy show after another with recurring roles in Gus Khan's Man Like Mobine, Jamie Dimitriou's Staff Let's Flats and the horrible history gang's Ghosts and let's not forget that well-loved turn in the 2023 season of Taskmaster. My conversation with Kyle was recorded face toto-face in London earlier this month, December 2024, and we discussed the secret to getting ahead in the entertainment industry, Kyle's father and his unorthodox approach to family life,

good times as a young Grime star, and the reason we won't be seeing Kyle on British reality show Sewing Bee anymore. But we began, as you'll hear from the backup recording that was running when Kyle arrived for our podcast chat, by fixing ourselves a festive drink. I actually forgot to set the main recorder running after fixing myself a festive drink, but only for a couple of minutes in case you're wondering at the top why it carries on sounding a bit roomy. It's not for long. I'll be back at the end for a couple of minutes, in case you're wondering at the top why it carries on sounding a bit roomy. It's not for long. I'll be back at the end for a couple of uplifting movie recommendations from Kyle himself and

another from friend of the podcast, actor, comedian, author and grief caster, Caryad Lloyd. But right now with Kyle Smith-Bino. Here we go. You should go to the place you're talking at. Yes, yes, yes. La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la, la water here for you, would you like anything else? I've got beers, I've got Pepsi Max, I can offer you extra virgin olive oil, lemonade, gin, vodka, Captain Morgan rum. Captain Morgan and Pepsi sounds interesting. Oh yeah?

Yeah. I mean, I don't usually drink Captain Morgan's, but. That's if you don't want a tea or a. No, I'd love a drink actually. Okay, look I've even got some ice cubes. Pingu. Pingu ice? Yeah. I actually love dropping a bag of rice on the floor. It's pretty good

isn't it? It is great. Little Wayne's got a lyric, um, dropping like a bag of rice. It's very satisfying. Okay so we're doing Captain Morgan. Spice gold. Spice gold. It does smell good. That smells delicious. That smells vanilla-y. Yeah. Is that right? Yeah. I'm going to leave it to you to... Are you joking me? Well... Ooh, he's thinking about it.

Well, it's coming up for Christmas, so... Exactly. This is our work Christmas drinks. What the hell are you saying? Okay. Now, you have just come from the headquarters of Netflix in the UK, is that right? That's right, yeah.

And what were you doing there? Well, they give out free snacks there. Oh yeah. So you can just sort of hang around. Nice. I had a meeting there. I'm working on a project with Ben Wilbond. Oh really?

And that's not a secret. Yeah. We're working on a project together. He's a ghost Oh really? And that's not a secret. Yeah. We're working on a project together. He's a ghost man, right? He's a ghost man. Yeah. And we have been pitching that. And this is the fourth place that we've pitched it.

Currently we've had one offer to take things further. How are you in a pitch meeting? I'm quite, I'm very conversational. Quite unorthodox I'd say. Like this, I'm just doing this. I just don't feel like, you know, when I came into the industry I thought, either was that, oh my gosh, when you go to these places and you've got my suit and you've got what do you do with a suit, and you realise that like you're having meetings with people that are in their gym clothes. They don't care. You don't have to, yeah, you don't have to dress up for it. You can just sort of turn up. You come from football or whatever. So, yeah, I realise that you

can just chill and sort of be yourself. And I learnt that quite quickly. Well it's all about confidence at the end of the day, isn't it? Yes it is. So if you go in and you look relaxed, then they're going to feel that. I mean your ideas probably got to be good too. Does it though? I Think that confidence carries the day. I really do. Yeah, my friend Garth is telling me about this big studio head that he works with and

this guy he was having a meeting with a big star and In this guy came with his manager I think and the manager came into the studio head's office put his feet up on the table of the studio boss got a little packet of raisins that was in the bowl emptied it into his mouth scrunched up the packet and threw the packet at the face of the studio boss and then said, all right, what are we doing? And apparently the studio boss is a nice guy

and knew what to expect from this character. So didn't like totally lose his rag. Right. But I mean, I don't- I wish you'd told me that before I went to Netflix. You could have thrown some fruit at them and they would have loved it. Yeah, especially if it was from their canteen. Yeah.

I just had this incredible meeting with Kyle Smith Pino. He threw a banana at my face. Give him a three series deal because no one's ever done that before. I was just absolutely fucking gobsmacked by the confidence of the guy. Who is that voice? What is that voice? That's my Netflix executive voice. That's really good. smacked by the confidence of the guy. I saw who is that voice? What is that voice? That's by Netflix executive. That's really good. It's really believable. But that's, that's it, man. That's what they're doing. Everyone's that's just,

especially in the entertainment industry is personality led. I'm reading quite a good book at the moment by a film critic called Tim Roby. And it's called box office poison and it's a an account of like some of the biggest box office flops in movie history like Super Mario Brothers. I don't know if Super Mario Brothers is in there. Actually, I'm sort of in the middle. I'm in the 80s at the moment. Right? Actually, no, I'm getting beyond that. They've just done Jilly Jiggly Ben Affleck and oh, yeah

and Catwoman is in that horrible film. Yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah Wow That is a really bad film. I saw it on ITV 2 once right on afternoon and you didn't switch it off No, I was really in, also it's Halle Berry in it, but I was really intrigued at where it's going. And I was like, oh, it's just getting worse. Yeah. And it keeps getting worse, and it's sort of like

interesting to watch how bad it was. Yeah, there's some funny stories in this book. But what keeps coming through again and again is that people haven't got a clue. Like no one knows what they're doing. The only thing they know is what the last thing was that did well. That's why everything is the same as the last thing that did well. They just keep on doing that for a while. Suddenly, you know, they're all geniuses after the fact, but they've got no clue what's going to actually work. So they're sitting there in their Netflix offices or wherever else, not just Netflix.

And they're acting like, yeah, we know what we're doing. That's a different guy. Tell me your pitch. This is his boss. And they don't know they have, they've got no idea. So all they've got to go on is what kind of fruit are you going to throw at them? Yeah. Oh, jackfruit. Wow. Well, I mean, I didn't I didn't go to personality. I wasn't as if I was kicking about a football with my mates. Remember in school when teachers used to say

that you're not kicking around a football with your mates as if like you talk during football. Yeah I'm saying yeah even though no teacher ever said that to me because I don't think I ever went anywhere near a football. Really? Yes it was obvious to them that I was not someone who was going to understand or respond to football metaphors. I can imagine you as a sportsman.

Really? Maybe not football but like... Rugby maybe? Cricket? No, nothing, no sport. Really? Maybe not football, but like, Rugby maybe? Cricket? No, nothing, no sport. Really? Yeah, what about you? No, but my dad wanted me to be sports.

He was a cricketer? He was a cricketer, and he wanted me to be a cricketer. Right, this is Fitzburn. Fitzburn Isaiah Smith. Fitzburn, that's a good name. That's a good name, yeah. Where did he get that name?

His dad, I reckon. Yeah. that's a good name. Is it gonna get that name his dad? I reckon yeah His dad Nathaniel, okay. I've got enough annual. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wow. It's a nice name, too Yeah, I only met my granddad three times. Okay, because he lived in Jamaica, right? And by the third time I saw him he was pretty blind. Uh pretty blind. But he lived to 99. Whoa, good genes. Yeah. What about your pa? How long did he live?

My dad died one year after my granddad. Oh, really? Yeah. My granddad lived to 99 and my dad was 81. That's not bad. Yeah, one year after. So we were all meant to go to Jamaica for my granddad's 100th.

So we were sort of planning that. When I we all I mean all of my dad's children Yeah, their children and their children, right? So there there are lots of them, but I'd had 12. Okay, apparently 12 that you know of yeah, my granddad had said that there were more and then my dad was like So and with these were they all from relationships that were that went on for a while? Or were they just sort of random? Both? Yeah, there are there are 12 of us, allegedly, and there are three boys nine girls and There are Eight mothers involved. Okay, I believe and just one done the maths probably and you're are you the only child from any child? His union with your mother. Yes Yeah, I'm my mom's only child

And I grew up as an only child but when I was 14 my dad said to me we're going to Birmingham to meet a sister. And I was like, my what? And I went to, we got on a coach from Victoria and we went to Birmingham and I went to meet my sister Elaine. And when I got there and she introduced me to her kids and we had a lovely dinner and then we watched TV and my dad went to bed

and my sister said to me, so how many of us have you met? How old were you at this point? I was 14. Right, right. What? And I remember her going, oh, Kyle. And I know that that meant that she realised

that my dad had brought me there so that she could do the work. Okay. But you all knew about each other and your dad was keen to sort of introduce you all. Yes, my dad wanted us all to know each other. So he was a family man. He was a family man.

And on his deathbed, he was surrounded by all of his children really on Father's Day Wow on Father's Day 2018 We were all there. I'm not sure if we were all there at the same time But we were all there that day. Yeah, did you get to say anything meaningful to him? I mean he couldn't he didn't really have the energy to speak a lot. He would sort of nod or shake his head Yeah, so he got to spend a good amount of time with you when you were growing up. Is that right? Yeah I mean, I didn't realize it, you know when I was a teenager

There was a part of me that was like, oh, but that's never around Did it I think I just wanted to because my dad never lived with us It's what felt like it didn't he wasn't around but when, he wasn't around. But when I look back, after he died, and when I look back at all the pictures, he was there for everything that was important in my life. All the plays and all the graduation stuff, and he hired a car to drive me to my graduation, my GCSE results, all of those things, he was there.

And the maddest thing is that all of my siblings say the same thing. Everyone says, I just remember him being there. I remember waking up on a Saturday morning, random Saturday morning and he'd be there. I remember he was there at Christmas. I remember he was at Mother's Day. He was there on my birthday.

All of us. And that's insane. Because there's one in Birmingham, there's like that's insane. Because there's one in Birmingham, there's like five in South London, there's three in Brighton. And yeah, everyone remembers him being like around in those pivotal moments. I sort of saying everyone and when I say everyone, I'm sort of good. I mean, like nine's enough to say everyone. That's 75%. But yeah, there were some that had like other

sort of difficult relationships because their parents hadn't let him. There's one of my sisters whose mom, I don't think she'd mind me saying this. And also she's not gonna listen. But Elaine told me that her mom was walking, I think it was down like Penge High Street. And she was pushing the pram that Elaine was in and

her mom said she saw the way that my dad looked at another woman and Realized that this man will never be faithful to her and broke up with him right there. Huh? And I think like He was he that is what he's like and he just like his head would just turn right and he'd be like right next thing so he didn't protest too much when she wanted to break up no he was just like yeah you got me yeah I think he was just like in love with women like couldn't really understand the concepts of being in love with one woman yeah yeah what are you like in that way? I think I used to be like that.

I think I inherited that for a while. But I've also seen how it can affect the children and relationships and just life. And it's a difficult way to live. He must have been exhausted, the boy. Well, exactly. How's he playing cricket after all that? I mean, that is for someone who in one way

is not good at committing. He has also taken on a big wide raft of commitments in another way that are far more complicated and stressful, you would imagine, than just having one relationship. I mean, that's kind of the point of being married, or at least that's part of the point, is that it simplifies a lot of things. I mean, it complicates things in lots of ways as well. But the longer you're married, well, this is my experience, it's not the same for everyone. But the longer I've been married, the simpler things have got emotionally in some ways. And I feel grateful for that. Especially as when I was younger, like in

my twenties, it was just nonstop emotional drama and it was exhausting. I don't miss that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I sort of miss the adventure of going and meeting people, I suppose, and discovering new people and falling in love and those sort of extreme feelings, but I don't miss all the stuff around it. I don't miss it going wrong. I don't miss the long stretches between relationships when I would feel quite lonely. That feeling was hard of just sort of thinking, I'd rather be with someone. But then some people are like that. They're fine. Yeah

Yeah, it's nice just to be on their own and do their own thing Mm-hmm. My dad asked my mom to marry him twice. Oh really and she said obviously not But you know, it sounds like when he was actually with you, he was a perfectly serviceable and great and good dad. Yeah. I remember I remember going on this date with this girl and it was one of those Saturdays that he was home, falling asleep on the sofa or something. And I came down ready saying I was about to go out.

And he asked me I was going I said, Oh, God, they said, Oh, where's the where you mean it? And I said, Oh, I said oh I've got a date. He said oh where's the where are you meeting her and I said oh I'm gonna go to a house restaurant. He's like yeah yeah come I'll drop you and he drove me there and when we got there I told him it wasn't we got there then he said oh where else where are you going after I said oh I bought this restaurant in Shoreditch. He was like oh yeah I'll drop you get in the back. I said what do you mean get in the back. He's like yeah I'll drive you guys there but obviously you. I was like, what do you mean get in the back? He was like, yeah, I'll drive you guys there, but you don't want to sit in the front if she sits in the back, get her back. And then he drove us there like a chauffeur.

Yeah. And dropped us off. And it was lovely. Yeah. But you know, just little things like that, you know, like doing dad stuff. There was a lot of that and he like enjoyed doing that, even though he didn't get the cricketer that he wanted.

But I still think that I'm sort of like continuing a legacy. You know, like you get to choose your name when you leave drama school. And I kept both of mine. And I'm really leaning into it now. I didn't like before I was just Kyle and I guess now now I've really sort of lent into the KSB thing. Yeah. Did your dad see you when you were in your grime MC mode? Yeah. Oh, in that mode? Like actually like performing? Yeah. I doubt it. He saw me around that time when I was like, constantly out the house just going to like radio, pirate radio or

studio or music video shoots. Was that your first performance passion then? Being an MC? I always wanted to be an actor from really young. But then when I got to school, everyone was either a footballer, a fighter or an MC. A fighter? Fighter. What kind of fighter? People just fight. I went to all- boys school for his game. People just fight, having fights. So, oh yeah, I beat that boy up. So why? You're a fighter, aren't you?

And that's the sort of, that was how you got any kind of status. You're either a footballer, a fighter or an MC. And we had the rare superstars of all three. It wasn't like that at my school. And how did you make the transition from wanting to be an actor to being an MC? I guess I would just, I still wanted to perform in some way. That's what was happening in the playground. I was useless at football. Yeah.

So in the playground I had to do something and I always had an interest in music. My uncle was an MC. My uncle was a drum and bass MC. Oh yeah. MC Fats. Yes, I saw your lovely tribute to him when he died on your Instagram page.

Yeah, yeah, he died this, no, last year. And he was an MC, he was an MC slash singer. And he was quite big in the drum and bass scene. I was not interested. I didn't give a heck about drum and bass. And he was your uncle on your mom's side mom's side. Mom's side mom's side. Yeah, so my mom would work quite late so I would go to school and then go from school to my nance and then I'd stay at my nance until my mom came and Picked me up in the evening and Yeah, my uncle would come in sort of twice a week with all these stories about like being on tour in Japan or in Canada or

Australia so he was pretty successful. Yeah. Yeah, what I want or in Canada or Australia. So he was pretty successful. Yeah, he went around the world. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He did loads. He used to make music with Goldie. Did he? Yeah. And what's that crew called?

Heavy, I can't remember. Bassheads? No, metalheads. Metalheads, that sounds more familiar, yeah. But he'd make music with them. He had music with Jason Statoes, he had like... Right, okay. Yeah, he was a... He was the real deal.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he'd always come back with gifts from these places or stories about eating bear in Tokyo or something like that. I tried snake here and all that stuff. I mean, most of the stories revolved around food. Yeah Which ultimately was his demand but yeah, he traveled and he lived well and he went Everywhere and saw the world and really enjoyed himself and had a great time Yeah, but I think he never shook that lifestyle despite the diabetes, right?

you didn't listen to the doctors when they told him to take care of what you're eating and all that stuff and then he lost one foot and then then the second one oh my both amputated yeah and it's like you know you got pay attention to these things man you like you he got taught he got warned He was like that your lifestyle, obviously is the lifestyle of a musician, of a musician on the road. Yeah.

And like traveling and living out of suitcases and eating out of kebab shops after midnight, 3 a.m., all that stuff. But you know, when you've got, when you've got those kind of health conditions, you have to think about that stuff. And I guess he didn't, he sort of just pretended that it didn't exist. Hang on to your feet as far as possible.

Got to. You need those. But yeah, he was a huge influence in my life. And he would come and tell these stories and I wanted to travel the whole world. I wanted to see stuff. I wanted to eat bear. And were you thinking at that point that you would do it as an actor? No, I guess I was like, if that doesn't work out this will. Right. Okay.

I never saw one I never saw the two together. And two, I never really. I didn't know it could be a career. Yeah, I knew acting could be a career. And what had got you into acting? Why? Why were you so passionate about that? could be a career. And what had got you into acting? Why were you so passionate about that? I just loved the feeling. I did the Nativity play when I was four years old. I'm an innkeeper and it was the best moment of my life at that stage. I guess I've been chasing that high ever since. But yeah, I loved it. I just loved being on stage. I loved the applause. I loved the laughter. I loved the response from an audience. I loved people sort of listening. What was it gonna say, Nick? When I'd done that, when I'd done those performances

to a very small audience, I thought, I'd love to do this, do a bigger audience. And then when I got, when I was 11, I joined Theatre Royal Stratford East, and I started doing those shows, the youth theatre showcase and those sort of things. But I was also like emceeing a lot and I was going on pirate radio

and I was doing like grime sets. How did you get into that then? How do you end up on pirate radio? You just meet the right people? Yeah you just know people that did it. Like I had some other emcees in my school. Tinchy Strada went to my school. Right. And there are loads of emcees in my school and like you just know that that's what you do, because everyone's sort of plan was to perform at Grime Raves. So Grime Raves, like Young Man Standing, Stratford Rex and all those places, that's where like, that was the big show. And everyone wanted to sort of get to that. But you have to go through sort of pirate radio first. And but first of all, you have to like,

start off at a crazy set time, which was maybe like four to 6 p.m. on a Monday. Yeah. And really you want to be on like eight to 10 on a Wednesday or Thursday or something like that. So you'd move around a lot, you'd change crews, you'd be in a different crew from last week, or you'd be in two maybe, but you'd be on radio

then you'd do music videos. Channel U came out, so everyone was trying to make it onto Channel U with their music videos. We did that with a few tracks. Where was Channel U? Channel U was a television channel on Sky. Right. Where you could send in your videos.

And if you were getting played on Channel U, that's like the problem, that's the thing. That's what like the big MCs were doing that's what to stride over a tiny tempo was doing all those guys so everyone wanted to be on channel you so this is around the time that red hot entertainment was formed yes and that is your MC gang that's where I met yeah Tara and who else was in it I mean we changed a lot of crews between year seven and year eleven when Red Hot really formed. Red Hot was sort of like at its peak when I was in first year of sixth form. That's when Gina Special came out, that's when Baby Girl came

out which was the video that was on Channel U. That was a few years before Migraine Scank came out which was also a member of Red Hot who went to my school. And was it supposed to be funny, Red Hot? No, that was our only, that was our only like funny song. No, that wasn't our only funny song, but that was like the main funny song. Yeah. Cause we were sort of like funny people,

but Grime wasn't a funny thing. No one was making funny Grime apart from, there was a boy called African Boy that made a song called, about going to Lidl. That was a funny song. And then we also had Junior Special, but like, it wasn't really a thing, like Funny Grime. And then I guess it sort of became a thing after that. And Junior Special was a hit. I mean, it's only got a million views on YouTube, but it's only got that because in 2008, no

one was running to YouTube to be like, like oh let's look at this thing. Yeah. It was being sent around Bluetooth, it was being sent around on MSN. So that's where all most of our like I don't know that's where our numbers would be. Were you at all worried that it was inappropriate to be doing? 100% I didn't want to do it. That's why I refused to pay for the video. Because you wanted to be taken seriously. You didn't want to be a novelty band. Because J was like, all right cool. We're gonna shoot a video for us. We're gonna what? It's a joke. I said this jokes getting out of hand is I know I would just do a video and then like Then we can try and get it on channel you I was like, why do we want to do that?

That's not the kind of music we make anyway, so you needed a video if you wanted to be on there Yeah, but I refused to pay for it because I didn't want it to happen. I said, I'll turn up, I'm not paying. And then it was just like one thing led to another and then we were doing shows. We got booked for some birthday girls party in Chalk Farm, which was our first sort of booking for that song, which was so weird.

And I actually had an interview with a guy from The Guardian, oh, is it The Guardian or The Independent? I can't remember, one of those. And he told me that he was at that party. Which blew my mind. What did you have to do at the party? You were like 16 year old girls and stuff. I think they were a bit older than us.

I think they might have even been like sort of uni age. Okay. Cause we were 16. Yeah. I think they were like 18 19 It's just great. This mad house massive house in short. It's probably the biggest house I've been to but I imagine it was like I bet I could book them for my party. Yeah You could not you could not get those guys And then she did and then we did it

Paid us. Yeah, and had was there a stage? I guess it was a tent in a garden or something No, it was like a little like the decks had been set up in a front room. Oh Mad And then I was like, oh, yeah, I guess we sort of do this now And then we did that for a bit we would do a few shows whatever but then migraine skank happened And that was that was next level that was like in the way. Migraine Skank was not a comedy song. That was not a comedy I mean it's sort of I mean it's not serious but it's it was more

of a dance track. And Gracious was a member of Red Hot and he got that and that's when Funky House blew up yeah and then instead of just doing like gigs in Farm, so 50 drunk uni students, he was doing like 3000 people at like O2 Arena Manchester or something like that. And we went around the world doing that. Literally around the world? Yeah, yeah.

Whereabouts did you go? We went to, I say around the world, I guess around Europe. We went to, we did all the party islands. We were doing like Mali and Napa, Xante, Coz, Magaluf, all of that stuff, Greek islands. And they pay for your flights. They pay for your flights, they pay for your hotel. They like, if you decide that you want to extend it,

they were like, yeah, yeah, I want to move your flights. What a laugh. Yeah, so I was doing that. I was going to drama school. I mean, before we were doing the holidays, when we were doing it in the UK, because the song was so big that he would have like maybe three bookings a night.

So I would- This is all from Junior Spech? This is from Migraines Gang. Oh, this is Migraines Gang. I apologise. So I'd leave, I finished drama school at six. Right. Charles would pick me up,

then we'd pick up gracious and we'd go to like Bournemouth, Bolton, Winchester. Not in that order, that would be mental. But like we'd do three gigs and then I'd come home. I did get home about 1 a.m. and then be up at eight to go to drama school again. Yeah. And I'd do that four nights a week. Wow. Yeah. And then on the

weekend, you might do a quick Amsterdam or something like that for like a uni freshers party or you know, like, so what do you do? You? How many songs do you play? Just that one? Just that one? Yeah. Or sometimes I mean, gracious had some news, some other songs come out, but like everyone was there for migrants going. So you do the first the opening stuff? So you're part of a bill on a night and the MC will say well, it was it wasn't really a bill It was just sort of like a club night with an appearance, right a special guest PA And did you have to do any banter around it or you just come on stage? Sing over the backing track. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah was it fun? It was great

It's great and you all got on well. Yeah, it was some of the best some of my best times, right? I've ever one book in in Warrington Where I think was Halloween and I remember this bunch of girls who are all dressed in, you know It's sort of like whatever Halloween stuff like basically nothing and there was this one girl who had she bought a star costume from Asda and it's like the one the worst star you've ever seen it looks like someone's cut it out like in their kitchen all these not wanted to get to wear nothing but I'm just as a star I got this for six quid and he has there why

but I'm like you know stuff like that stories are like we had to Wolverhampton and like in this Jamaican club and they they were like, come upstairs, eat first. And we went upstairs and we just like, it was like something out of a film where this guy sort of had his back to us and you could just see him like raising a meat cleaver and is slamming it down on something that you don't really know what it is. And then he turns around and it's like the nicest looking jerk chicken you've ever seen. And they just lay out for us and gave us a bottle of crevose each. And we're like, yeah, yeah, enjoy.

My God. You know, stuff like that. But also like sort of the other end of the thing, which is like doing like kids' parties for like rich people. And yeah, it was great. And we used to do but we used to do skegness and did like funky houses. And these were the times like tiny temple was around those times we were doing shows a tiny temple within shows of end ups. We were like doing all the festivals with them. Great. That's amazing. And that's all off the back of sort of one or two hits. Yeah, but then I was, you know, all that whole time

I was heavily invested in being an actor and I would never wanted to miss something that I had to do at drama school. I never wanted to miss a show or miss a rehearsal or anything like that for that. Yeah. It was very much like doing two things at a time, but they were both equally as important to me.

Maybe the acting slightly, slightly more. What do you think your dad would have made of you on sewing bee? I don't think he would have understood what the hell I was doing. Because you're always well dressed whenever I see you. Thank you. You care about what you look like. I do actually. Maybe too much. I'm quite late a lot of the time.

Was your dad nicely turned out? Your mum cares about what she look like. I do actually, maybe too much. I'm quite late a lot of the time. But was your dad nicely turned out? Is your mom cares about what she looks like? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, my dad was modeling when he first came to England. Well, there you go. He would have been impressed. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. You've done the one series, is that right?

I did the one series, yeah. Are you gonna do, are you doing more? Nah, finished. Done. I did the one series. Yeah, are you gonna do are you doing more? No finished Done No, we is that because you got into a Greg Wallace style. Yeah, it's because of that You've got to go you're out Well, you know all babies eventually it will come out about all BBC presenters. Yeah. And I have been a BBC presenter. I'm not laughing by the way listeners at the concept of creating a toxic

environment or a toxic workplace. There's a bit of Christmasy Bants. I apologise. I'm going to leave now. I should never have mentioned Wallace. But yeah, I mean, I sort of, do I want to be a presenter? Not really. Yeah. Okay. Well, I was going to ask actually, because yes, you're an actor and it must for some casting people, it must have an impact, right? It must. It must have a bearing on how they

see you as an actor. You want to be sort of a blank slate. Yeah. And instead I gave way too much of myself. Telling every contestant my whole life story. But it was, was it fun? There were parts of it that were fun. Yeah. I just don't want to be a presenter. It's not a stress that I want.

There's stress that you, there's good stress. Like when I do my improv shows and I'm like, Oh, right, right. I've got to mention that. And I've yeah I've got to remember to and the housekeeping stuff all of that stuff is good stress because I love the outcome. Yeah. Whereas with So NB I was sort of like I'm very I'm flattered to have been asked and I think they definitely took a risk with me because they didn't know what I was gonna they didn't know what I was gonna, I didn't know what I was gonna do.

They definitely didn't know what I was gonna do. And I think it paid off because people said that people have said very nice things, but I'm not hoping for a future in presenting. Yeah, no, it's good to have done it. And I imagine it was a nice environment. It was, yeah. I mean, well, Esme created a little bit of a toxic habit.

Was she a handful? I love her so much. I think she's great. And she is so unapologetically herself, which is like, it's also what you need. They're really good at their jobs, both Patrick and Esme. And like, it was, yeah, that was, that was the highlight. It was a real pleasure to be part of and watch

their process and learn a thing or two. Yeah. Cross stitch. Sure. Sound like I know what I'm talking about. That's very good. That's great jargon. Thank you. I thought it would be nice to get you to do a monologue, a jumper. One of your voiceover monologues I've transcribed. And I want you to make the transition from being a presenter back to being an actor. Yes. By throwing all the drama you can into this sewing bee monologue from episode 10.

From episode 10? About opera gloves, about how to construct an opera glove. From episode 10? About opera gloves. About how to construct an opera glove. From episode 10, I actually remember doing this in the voiceover booth and not having a clue what I'm talking about, despite looking at the diagram as I'm saying. Yeah.

Okay. I would do it in this sort of voice as well. Each opera grunt, see. I don't want you to do just the voiceover that you did on sewing be. Oh, this is no this is this is a play. This is you. This is you reinventing this monologue in any character you prefer, but it can't be yourself. This is going to be this is a dramatic portrayal. Right. And do you want me to remain in that character throughout or whatever you're feeling. This is an exercise We're back at drama school. Okay, and this is this has got to be an intense monologue. Okay, great

I've got you at the climax of the production Each op of glove is made from just three pattern pieces First the fun pieces are assembled and inserted into a circular opening in the glove pieces creating a mirrored pair Next, the gusset pieces are sewn into one side of each glove starting from the little fingers curving up and down and finishing at the index fingers Then the gloves are folded right sides together and the gusset piece is a stitch to the other side of the fingers The tops of the index fingers are stitched closed and starting at the top of the little fingers the side seams are sewn shut

The gloves are then turned right side out Elastic is attached to the hems and top stitched in place for a snug fit That's like a Guy Ritchie film and you're playing the tailor. Yeah! And the tailor makes opera gloves out of the skin of nonsists. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I'll play that any day. Convention? Was it this year that you went to your first convention? I did, yeah, this year. How was that?

I went to M-Con in Nottingham. Right. It's a weird thing, isn't it? I liked it and I would do it again. What's M-Con? What does it stand for, M-Con? Electromagnetic. I don't know. I don't know. I didn't ask any questions.

E M con. Yeah. Okay. I didn't ask anything. I sort of turned up and someone you get assigned an assistant. Yeah. Just for the day, a volunteer actually. And they ask you how much you want to charge. And I was like, I have no idea. But the way the way he asked me is like oh I must have done loads of

these before and it was my first one it's like right so what do you want to charge? Selfie, handshake, full sex? And I said I'm not doing selfies or handshakes just full sex. Let's just get to it. And I ended up charging 20 pound for autographs and 25 pounds for selfies. Whoa, or 40 for the combo. Oh my god. 40 if you want that combo. But what if someone stops you in the street? you gonna say that's gonna be 40 quid mate no never and I've never considered it but apparently some people do that. Oh really? Well, just for a bit of consistency in their lives, but doesn't it feel weird to suddenly be in a Convention center and Charlie. Yeah, it feels very weird. I've been on YouTube for a long time doing skits and skats

sketches and skits. doing skits and skets, sketches, skits and sketches. It's not skats, you don't want to be doing that. Skits and skats. And you know, school children have been asking me for pictures for years. For over 10 years, I've been, I never once thought to charge anyone until I went to M-Con and I was told that you have to, you have to charge anyone until I went to MCON and I was told that you have to yeah you have to charge people and you sit there all day for two days because it's gonna completely discombobulate the whole system if someone goes around giving away free yeah selfies isn't it exactly that's like throwing a grenade

into the heart of capitalism but what I was what I was warned about was that some people find out where you're staying and they wait outside the your hotel and ask you to sign stuff and then they sell that to people who are going to the convention. Weasels. That's not playing fair. Yeah. Right. I really enjoyed it. I was sat next to Tom Rosenthal. we had a laugh all day, all day for two days. So you were there in your capacity as ghosts cast members. Yeah, but some people didn't know me from that at all. Okay. People knew me from like things like death in paradise.

I was in one episode of. Right. Or horrible histories. Yeah. Which I was surprised by. Someone said that I was their favorite in Friday night dinner What I was in that for 40 seconds I was in one episode Playing playing them Tom Rosenthal's boss. Yeah, but you smashed it So, you know, you don't really know where people know you from or why they're coming but they they pay for this stuff yeah they're worldwide you can go to Sydney and do

it you can go to New York and do it I'd like to do that international ones yeah would they fly you out for this yeah really well the one that M con there were there was also I don't know her real name, but Hillary from Fresh Prince, the dad from Sister Sister, the Aunt Viv from Fresh Prince, all of those have been flown out. Wow. And their queues were not as long as mine. Yeah.

And mine was not as long as Tom Rosenthal's. God, I wonder if I could, what could I get from having been killed in Hot Fuzz, I wonder? You could definitely sign some stuff. I can't fire surely. No, I reckon I reckon you can go 50-pound combo 50-pound combo and that is selfie handshake full sex and dinner And you can bring up my children. Wait.

This is an advert for Squarespace. I took one look at that website and I knew that the woman I have been living with is not my wife. I'd never been any good with computers so when I showed the website that I had built to sell my paintings to Tom, he just refused to believe that I had made it. And he started telling people that the government had taken his wife and replaced her with an AI. But Debbie had made the website herself. After hearing an advert on a podcast, she had visited squarespace.com slash buxton and done a free trial.

They had all these professional looking templates there, so I chose one I liked and I started typing into it. And then I dragged in some pictures, I uploaded a video before I knew it, I had a website. I've seen the Matrix. I know that you need big green numbers and a long leather coat to build a website. It's just not that easy. But it was that easy. And when Debbie decided she wanted to purchase her new website, she remembered the offer code from the podcast. I typed in Buxton and I saved 10%. I was jumping up and down and shouting in your face at Tom

and it was around then that he started with the conspiracy theory. Why don't you go to squarespace.com slash Buxton Tom and you could see how easy it is to build your own website. Because that's exactly what they want me to do. Continue. Woo woo. Hey, welcome back, Podcats. That was Kyle Smith-Biner. We're going to hear from him again in a couple of minutes when he gives us an uplifting movie

recommendation. But I'd like to take this opportunity just to say thanks very much, Kyle, for giving up your time to come and talk to me. It was lovely to see him. And I've posted a few Kyle related links in the description of this podcast. There's his Instagram page. You can see a bit about what he's up to there. And there's some videos from his Grime Days.

You got Junior Speche there, there's Gracious K with Migraine Skank, there's Kyle's Comedy Blap which he did in 2022, Red Flag, well worth checking out lots of funny bits in there, and you'll also find trailers for this week's selection of uplifting movies there too. Speaking of which, here is a voice note from friend of the podcast, actor, comedian, writer and host of grief cast of course, Cariad Lloyd. Hi Dr. Buckles. My most uplifting film that I love watching again and again is My Neighbor Totoro by Hayao Miyazaki. If you haven't seen it before it's a beautiful animation about

two little girls set in Japan and they have to move back to the countryside to be nearer their mum who's not very well and then one of them meets a woodland creature sort of like a rabbit but sort of not a rabbit and it's sort of like Alice in Wonderland but not Alice in Wonderland and it's an extremely magical cartoon where they just have this incredible adventure and it's so simple and it's really hard to describe because not a lot happens but it's just the most beautiful gentle storytelling and at the end everything kind of works out but there is this like undercurrent of maybe life isn't going to be as simple as we think it is as a kid and I really like films especially

if you have kids and you have to watch a lot of kids films that don't just tell them everything's fine and there's little Totteros and big Totteros and they do a big dance that makes plants grow and there's a cat that's a bus I I don't want to spoil anything, but here's a cat bus I've watched it so many times with my kids and it's just a reminder like kids do get obsessed with films But if you can get them obsessed with a really good film, you can also enjoy it And if you haven't seen it, I can't recommend it enough. It's really really beautiful. Thank you There we are Carrie ad Lloyd recommending my neighbor Totoro.

Totoro? John Totoro. Totoro. Anyway, I'm not sure if I've ever seen that one. Thank you very much Cariad for that recommendation. And by the way, Cariad has written a book, a Christmassy book. It is called The Christmas Wish-tastrophe. It's aimed at kind of nine to 12 year olds, set in Jane Austen slash Regency Times,

and this is Cariad's description. It's all about a little girl called Lydia Marmalade and her best pal Colin, who's a sausage dog, and the mad adventures they have with a winter fire sprite called Belle. It's very silly and stupid. This is still Cariad describing her book, by the way. A bit griefy, she says, couldn't help myself,

and mostly very heartfelt. The Christmas Wishtastrophe by Cariad Lloyd. There's a link in the description. Rosie! Oh, she's up there. I led her off the lead. So she's doing a bit of gambling in the dusk. Aren't you dog legs?

Mad Max out there behind me, heading into Norwich to dispense some country justice. But right now before I say goodbye, back to Kyle Smith Bino. I've been asking my guests for recommendations for movies that are uplifting. Like if they want to watch a film that they know is going to not necessarily cheer them up or make them laugh. It's just a film that's going to pick up their spirits and take them to a good place. Like some people recommended horror films and really grim films, but they just... Something wrong with them. Yeah. But they just like those films. They make them

feel good. Moonrise Kingdom. Moonrise Kingdom. The Wes Anderson one. Yeah. I've not seen that one. You've got to see it. Really? You take it this week. Okay. But can you? Yes. You can. Yeah. You've got the time. Yes. Moonrise Kingdom. Okay. I will let you know how I get on with Moonrise Kingdom. But do you love all Wes Anderson or mostly? Yeah. Okay. I will let you know how I get on with Moonrise Kingdom, but do you love all Wes Anderson or? Yeah, I'm not crazy about Fantastic Mr. Fox, right? Well, that's something to do with the way that those puppets are moving and it makes me feel uncomfortable Okay, I like some of his stuff more than other bits, right? Like I really like the Grand Budapest Hotel Yes, I think that's brilliant. That is great

So given that but I but I'm not so keen on oil ten and bulbs that's okay but I didn't lose my mind when it came out the way that lots of people did yeah but Moonrise Kingdom I haven't heard people really championing that one that's one of my favorite films why do you like that one it It's just so nice. It's nice and it's funny and it's like, you're really rooting for them kids. I haven't watched it in quite a while, but I remember when it came out, really loving it.

Okay, cool. How about any others? Any others, Little Miss Sunshine? Oh yeah, I haven't seen that for a while. How about Christmas Day movies? Nah, not interested. Literally the only only Christmas film I can think of jingle all the way There we are jingle all the way I think I've seen it Don't think it's my favorite Arnie movie,

and I'm going to stick my neck out and say that there are better Christmas films. I mean, Elf, for a start. Die Hard. I'd take both of those before I took Jingle All the Way. Moonrise Kingdom, though. I watched it the night after I spoke to Kyle, very much enjoyed it. I think I watched a bit of it before and tuned out a little bit because I thought it seemed like a parody of a Wes Anderson film. But this time, it's funny how just a recommendation from a friend and a bit of a personal investment in something changes how you look at it. I went in with a different attitude and I really liked it and I found it quite touching and luxuriated in the nerdy precision of the visuals and the design and by the end of it I was uplifted. So thanks very much, Kyle. Job done.

Alright, that's it for this week. Thank you so much once again to Kyle. Thanks to Cariad. Thanks to Seamus Murphy Mitchell for his invaluable production support and conversation editing. There was also some additional conversation editing on this episode from my son, Frank. Thank you very thanks to Helen Green she does the artwork for this podcast thank you to everyone at a cast for all their help keeping the show on the road but thanks most of all to you podcats I'm so glad that you are still listening now it's windy I'm heading home now back on the top track and it's not too cold tonight. Recently it's been arctic but tonight it's a bit milder. Still I think it would be nice if we had a hug. What do you think? Come over here. Hey good to see you.

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