The Adam Friedland Show (Cumtown) - 2 Chainz Talks Weed, Intuition, and Becoming Himself

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

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You started stepping back when I let this weed up. It bothers you. I don't know. I'll piff with you, dude. I don't think you need it. Come on, bro. It's not lit. You got lit it.

I know. I know. I understand. I've smoked weed before. That's not from New York. Baby and those guys are on the other side. There you go. That's it.

I just went on that punch. One more, man. One more piff. I'm good. One more piff, bro. You got to do at least three, bro. Ten. Nine.

Oh, my word. Eight. Seven. Six. Five. Four. Three, his glasses fogging up. Two.

One. Yes, sir. Wow. Walked around and found out, huh? Welcome to a very special episode of the Adam Friedland show. I'm Adam Friedland. My guest this week is Grammy Award winning rapper and newly minted author, Two Chains. I won't lie to you, audience.

This was one of my most challenging conversations of my... entire life. Mr. Chains was immune to my charms as an interviewer. He definitely dodged each query as I scrambled on my back heel to find a way in. I sucked. I sucked up. I copycatted. I even tried to ingratiate myself to him via shared use of psychedelic drugs. This interview changed me and I'm sure you'll see that. And maybe not for the better. I don't know. I'm still figuring that out. So please enjoy my conversation with Two Chains.

Ladies and gentlemen, his new book, The Voice in My Head is God. Everyone, please welcome Two Chains. I can't believe it. I cannot believe it, sir. What's up? What's up? What's on.

How you doing? How you doing? I am a big fan. I really appreciate it. Not to complain or take it. I complain a lot, but like you're you're six five already and you and then you have these uh big fur fur blenciaga boots i know but it's giving you maybe like six seven six eight right now yeah i'm

six five and then with these shoes on i might be about six seven i think it's a little egotistical perhaps no i mean i love myself what can i say um you grew up play play ball that's right i did a little baller yeah yeah what was your what was your like game you were at um i think i was a great pass or a great place or a great play Playmaker. I have a really, really beautiful looking jump shot. It's pretty. What's your NBA comp? Oh, a comp for me probably would be currently in the league right now. Let me just think who was in the All-Star game.

For me, step. Not Steph. He has the range. I'm more of a playmaker. Who are who are who think? Hey low this and all-stop. Ant man? Yeah, man. And it's something like, and it's nasty. You know, he's the, and he's also like happens to be the most, the funniest guy. Like he has that Chuck thing where he's like, he could, he's funnier than any comedian.

Well, and is, you know, from Atlanta, we just have great personality. Did you see that clip of him meeting Obama? Um. And was like, I will cook you. Like, he didn't care of there. He was the present. He don't, he don't, like any place, any time. I will snatch your soul.

Competitive nature, man. Yeah. I actually, I watched a clip of you saying you're, not that this is pertinent at all to the interview, but saying you're top five, and we have an identical top five in NBA. Really? For the NBA, yeah.

What is it? Because I put Shaq and Steph in the top five. Okay. Yeah. And what is we got COVID? Bean, Braun. MJ, Jack, and stuff. We got the same.

We have the same. Same kind of guy. Yeah. LeBranda produced an album for you. Not produce. Produced would mean he would have actually made the track. Yeah, I know. He was executive.

Executive produced. He was like the Shug Knight of your. No. No. I'm not saying he dangled anyone by their angle. Anyway, I'll stop talking. No, no. I got to stop.

Bronda's a great friend of my, great friend of the family. A friend of mine as well. UTA coach sports family is my agency okay uh not that up LeBron yeah he came to the crib in LA and he is a huge like we always see him on Instagram like playing artist music right like supporting artists and we haven't any other basketball player to his greatness do that not Jordan rest in peace being none of those people so him being the biggest basketball player in the world sitting in the back of the Maybach supporting

different artists music it was something that I took to, I had him come over. I played about, I don't know, over 20, 30 songs, and then him and I kind of narrowed down the album, and that's how he was a part of my album. There's a famous clip of that, of LeBron inventing the deluxe album. You've seen the clip. I mean, you know what? During that time, people really weren't doing it. I mean, deluxe had started, and they, it's like anything, they fade away, comeback, and all of that. So at that time, I don't think he thought he invented it. I just thought he was coming up with a good idea at that particular point in time.

I would say he invented it, and he also dominated in the Deadball era, the three-ball era, and invented the deluxe album. Let's give it up for LeBron James. No, but I grew up a big Kobe fan. I'm a Laker fan. Yeah, I love Kobe. And I know that, I know that. Were you guys the same class, like in high school?

Like were you? No. No, but I just, Just like with anything else, his mamba mentality, that whole, his aura was just like on the court, off the court. You know, I saw him off the court a few times. He just was someone that automatically just demanded out of attention, man, very detailed. Yeah. For me being around him just even talking basketball with him out.

I remember having a fool, you know, conversation about hooping with him, like after a game. rest and peace to the goat I saw that you maybe this isn't true but that you did aAU growing up and did you play against Sharif Abdurahim I know Sharif that was because that's a streets will never forget like guy who I think is overlooked a lot in terms of just like an absolute killer Sharif is he's definitely a killer Sharif is you know with the G Lee he's involved with a G Lee he's a He almost runs the G league. I'm not sure what his, I don't want to get his title confused or messed up,

but I literally just ran into him. I was walking out the restroom. He's walking in at one of the College Park Sky Hawk game, Skyhawks game in Atlanta, like, I don't know, not even a month ago. You're an odor, right? I'm a minority owner of the Skyhawks in Atlanta, yeah. Yeah, and that's your neighborhood that you grew up in. Yeah, yeah.

How does that feel? It feels wonderful, man, being, I don't know, five, miles from my high school, not even, I don't know, maybe five, six miles from my high school, me being from the area, the owners of the Hawks, you know, noticing that, realizing that involved me into something new and refreshing for the city. So, yeah, it just, you know, feels like I was at the right place at the right time. There's no reason to have a lot of money unless you have your own squad. That's my, like, taking life. If I ever... That's what most billionaires, that's how they think. If I ever have enough money,

Like, if you're just a billionaire and you don't have your own team, you're just, I don't know what, trying to... I don't look at it like that, but I'm sure as a billionaire. There's something that you have to do like a subtle flex to let them know, like, I'm a, I'm a billionaire billionaire. I really, I want to get into your book. Tell me about, like, what growing up in College Park taught you and, like, you know, how, like, what it, how it molded you, I guess. College Park molded me in many ways. It taught me, um, resilience. It taught me some independence.

I did most of my adolescents growing up in college park. I got there, you know, early ninth grade. Built a lot of relationships. You know, I got a lot of my social bandwidth from college park, so it just means a lot. How did, what was it like seeing Atlanta become Atlanta in terms of like national profile when it came to music?

It was like for a while like when I was younger it was pretty coastal that I remember like there was outcast and goody mob But like prior to the like beyond that like Atlanta kind of there was no concept like I think maybe little John or something or like No we had you know crunk and like like a and ludicrous maybe Yeah ludicrous is after Outcast and goody mob no that's what I'm saying that like the only concept anyone had Beyond outcast and goody mob They didn't really have a concept of music from Atlanta until you saw like death jam south I would say You had yeah yeah T I had Jeezy you had even before

Organized noise you had Kilo we were listening to Kilo getting ready Wop today Gucci yeah, so you just know Atlanta has went through different different periods and different eras But for the most part it's been sustainable and it's like we keep passing the torch to the next. And that gives us like a lifeline too, but

I mean, outcastes when I think they won an award and Andre said about South had something to say. Yeah. And then it started being more intentional as far as what we were doing. But Atlanta has always been like a city for like growth and creativity

musically. Have you seen music become less regional? Like for instance, like too short like went platinum and I think he sold like 500 records on the East Coast. Like music could be on the West Coast. On the East Coast. I think on the West Coast he went platinum.

But like, so it was like so regional that, you know, like in the Bay, he was like, were you famous and like a known quantity in Atlanta for a while before you became nationally famous? I think I'll, excuse me. I was known in Atlanta, not necessarily for my music, though I was known in Atlanta because I'm like, I play basketball, I hustled, I'm from the

street so yeah I would be outside I've had a I've had nice cars my whole since I've been driving you know I've been presenting myself in a nice you know way far as a tire and all that so a lot of people I already assumed that I was doing something going to do something or going to be something early on you can kind of see my trajectory coming up you had three cars in college I did how did you like get them there I drove one yeah it was in Alabama so I would ride home with somebody else because Alabama's two hours from Atlanta and people would literally go almost dating you know what I'm saying it was two hours and it was an hour behind so you would lose an hour that's not bad yeah you know

you'll leave and there's a question I had when I was reading the book I was like how the hell did he get the three cars up down to Alabama yeah I know you thought I took a tow truck but I didn't it's literally like people it's like how did he do this is another rap got lying no I had a Cadillac I didn't think you're lying expedition I just I just want to let you know I'm really I'm really been having it like you're a division one athlete you're a rapper and I was division one in the streets too yeah so I pull up expedition with the TV and with the beat ram and I pull up with the not the Eddie Bauer just a regular black expedition I go a lot and have an Eddie Bauer you know what I'm saying I had the Eddie Bauer had the leather mine and have leather on the inside but once again I'm in college you had the XLT come on man come on my family I had the XLT come on I had that XLT I had that and I'm wham wham wham way and watching you had the firestone tires do you remember that the Explorer had those tires that kept exploding no no no no mine never exploded

yeah yeah yeah and then I had a I had a I want to say like a 93 Cadillac Sedanda Ville it was it was blue navy blue black in there with the rims with the gray leather and then I had a I say maroon. Some people say burgundy, but I had a maroon. Box Chevy on Rams. And on Monday, you know, Wednesday and Friday, I swapped cars and then between Tuesdays and Thursdays

because I was staying off campus. I'm like, but yeah, yeah, that was me. Yeah, Volvo. Volvo? Yeah, my cousin Sherrod had a ball. No, he had a sob. He had a sob. Those are nice cars.

They discontinued. The Volvo and Assad were like cousins. Swedish. Yeah, yeah. They were so. But they sold Volvo. the Chinese now everything is really I mean yeah but I won't get too political with you right let's let's focus on the book for a second what is the thesis you

want to get across like like what do you want people like to take away from this book this is my first piece of literature that I'm putting out for the world to see and to consume it's called the voice in my head is God the book is not so much a religious book it's about intuition yeah it's about me using intuition as a sixth sense. Yeah. The voice in this title it speaks to my conscience,

my intuition, and then when I say God, it's me giving credit to someone much higher than myself, me giving credit to something higher to my ego. In this book, I talk about how the voice in my head,

which is, I assume it's intuition. I assume that it's God because they say God is inside of you and, you know, um, lessons come from within. So this is just my presentation to the world and hopefully help someone, um, make decisions helps them make decisions based on their own divine guidance.

Yeah. Trust your gut. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You get it. I mean, that's like becoming a man, basically.

You get it, bro. You have like one too many relationships with the girl who's like, I cheated on every boyfriend I ever had. You're like, this time. different yeah yeah you're right right bro you like you get it damn this I'm different yeah yeah yeah that's exactly that's exactly what this is when bigger rappers would come through Atlanta like you would serve like that what you were doing prior

rapping yeah yeah actually can I can I show you something I this weed dealer who wants to is that what is that right here what is the astray here the ashtray is kind of a classy kind of a classy kind of like 1960s kind of vibe. I mean, you could do weed if you want. Okay. I don't know. You got it if you wanted.

Okay, cool. Okay. I'll piff with you, dude. I'm not really, honestly, I don't smoke weed. I just feel bad for this guy, so I still buy weed from him. And then what would the weed? Because he's had a tough time.

What? What? I give it to the homeless. That's a good idea. So I've done that before, too. I've, I've, they said they want something, and I don't.

And they didn't grab that. They didn't grab my joint and went on about the business. So I've done that before. Well, you smoke like doinks and then you like, you, like, I saw your ashtray. I saw your ashtray where it's very wasteful unless you give it to the homeless. Your roaches are like this long. I think I should start doing that, though. Well, I mean, it's just like, I mean, you're a wealthy gentleman.

I'm not going to, if you put a towel under the door. Jonah, put a towel. you know can I you don't own this building you like you can own this building your parents on this building right no my parents uh I want to be sarcasticity like this is looking at something

your parents are on right your parents are on something no no no tell me come I have literally like I literally got no benefits from Jewish I mean it's like it's a waste of I would never believe that

I swear to God you the only person that's ever helped me out was an anti-semit named Nick Mollett What? Anyway, so my weed dealer, his name's Ari Stern. Well, this just, well, I guess it's... He wants to be a musician too, and I want to... If I could play it for you, can you tell me, like, whether or not I should keep encouraging him?

No, I don't want to hear that shit, bro. No, I think you do want to hear this shit. I don't want to hear that shit, bro. I think you might want to hear this shit. It's very... Hey, let me tell you, that's what people need to hear. It's a song... Some people not...

not ready for that some people need to hear I'm just saying let me tell you this he asked me if I can play two chains his song about losing his son in custody in the what the fuck so funny well maybe is she is good should I tell him to keep going for it sounds like yes I'm sorry to do so bad

You know why I think it could work because somebody can relate to it Yeah yeah because you like because a lot of people get divorced yeah well no motherfucker is people get their child you don't have to be divorced for you don't have to be married to have kids Yeah, yeah yeah you know any guys that are like really too upset at like about at family court No I don't know Gilbert Arenas, he used to tweet all this, or Instagram all the time about I'm the king of his family court shit. He used to talk. I like, I like, uh, without his kids going league. Yeah, I like, I like watching.

Yep. Yeah, a kid is like, well, he has a couple kids is like that. Woo! Yeah, so I like, I like watching him talk about basketball. Is, we got to get, are you, are you doing Project Kobe? Yeah, HAL will be going to the league, to he's 10 years old. He'll be gone. Is he tall?

Like his father? Yeah, I think he's tall. You're going to the league? young man? I'm saying so he can hear you. Say I'm going. Yeah, okay. What's your game?

What's your like? You're a pastor? Oh, he's humble. He's humble like his father. Yeah, yeah, right. He's not humble. He's humble, but he's pop it too. Are you good at 2K?

I'll fry you immediately. Wait, so I also. He got his game up here in the room. He ain't just like talking like, he takes his game everywhere. You're going to say no to this. Man, where's my lighter? Because you mentioned my nerves.

Get a little lighter and put a towel. Get him a light. You got me listening to doing A&R and shit. We're supposed to be talking about my name. I'm saying this guy lost his kids. Man, I don't care. I got mine. Here's this song.

This is just drop it out. All right. All right. All right. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's not me.

It's the weed dealer lost his kid. I'm sorry. He's making songs about it. And I don't know if I should tell us. him to stop. No, tell him to keep on. Because here's the thing, in the white community. I saw a weed and I talked about.

In the white community, if your drug dealer wants to become a rapper, that sounds like the worst thing ever. It sounds like he's the worst, like, you got to hang out with him, and then he wants to play you his music, and it's just a punisher. It looked like you started stepping back when I let this weed up. It bothers you. I don't know. I'll piff with you, dude.

No, no, no, no, don't worry about it. I'll piff. I piffed on Saturday night. I'm getting back in there. Is that what the, that's what the, that's what? the Jewish brother say no no New York new york bro it's a dead ass New York style it's say dead ass yeah yeah it's dead ass New York dead ass what you say I don't want you to have no part of this okay so they got you want you in the NBA got the

buckweed up here that what you say they got that I don't want you I don't want you go down this path your father and I are wrong don't want it all don't want it all for me for like one of the most like incredible moments that I ever witnessed was that like generational run that like wayne was on like 2005 to 2008 right like dedication driving everything going up to the corner right and the first time I heard you was when he did the hook on duffel bag and uh you do can I can I hear you want to hit you want to piff it I'll piff yeah I don't think you need it come on bro it's not lit you got lit it I know I understand I've smoked weed before

That's not from New York. So like you tell a story about like when you first met him, right? Was it that you sold baby two Zips? And what happened after that? No, so yeah, I was in the studio recording and cash money. Baby and those guys were on the other side. Don't look. No, no, you're hitting that one off.

I see, go ahead. That's right, you know what you're doing? Oh, right. Anyway, I was selling some, there you go, that's it. I was winning on that punch. Good old punch, you got it. Rust I be king of the jungle, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

One more, man, one more piff. I'm good, I'm good. One more piff, bro. You gotta do at least three, bro. You can't just do like two, two, two chain. You gotta do three for Adam. I'm a titty board, dude. Yeah, come on, hit a real one.

Hold it, hold it, hold it, hold it. Hold it, hold it. 10, nine. Oh, my. eight seven six five four three his glasses fogging up two one yes sir wow walked around and found out huh I used I tried so hard I'd be a stoner and I took like a month off and I realized and I tried to blaze again and I realized I was like I'm tripping on weed. Like all my

tolerance had gone away and I was like, I became like a 14 year old again. What about now? How old do you feel like you are? I'm back to 14. Yeah, it looks like it. You know the J boys? We loved Piff. The J. Boys? The J. Boys? Jewish. That's cool.

Is that, that's cool to say? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say. I'll give you the past. I'll never say. I give you the past. I ain't going for that. You can say the J. Boys. It's cool. No, we used to love, we used to love to to Piff and then listen to rap. We put on Mitchell and Ness. We put one in the air.

We put on Mitchell and Ness. Yeah. It's insane. No. Let's go back to it, though. Like, like... This Mitchell and Ness, when y'all put on these jerseys, like one of y'all dad be owning the team or something like that?

No. I got no benefits of J. I'm telling you. I'm not going for that. What do you think I am? The Rothschilds? No, no, no. Why do you think I'm doing this?

Let me see the lighter, bro. You got it so tall. You know you. All right, all right, go ahead. So wait, let's go back to the story. Let's go back to the story about, wait. Oh, the bathroom. Yeah, it's around the court.

So wait, so, so cash money comes to Atlanta. You remember, I thought you forgot, because I thought you forgot, I thought you forgot yesterday. I was going to let that story go by. But it's a very funny story. Oh, yeah. It's like kind of an anecdote. We clip.

We'll say like true, like two chains, true story. We put like a, like, low fight. I don't want to tell the day. Come on, dude. We'll find some, something like that. Can I tell the story for you? So he's, so he sells two ounces of marijuana. Young man, I don't, stick to, never mind, okay.

And then a baby doesn't pay you for it. And then they're like, we're going to Atlanta or New Orleans. Fuck, I am high. Okay, we're going to New Orleans. And you're like, fine, I'll ride with you. And then you first met Wayne there in an indoor swimming pool. You piffed. And then at a certain point, you were like, I really do need that $900.

And then he paid you. That's a great story. Thanks, bro. That's great. Let me tell you another story. No. I don't know. When did, like, I guess, like, what was the first moment you knew that you were a known entity, like, outside of your home city?

And, like, how did it dawn on you? Oh, man. I'm so high. I'm interested. No, no, no. No, when I knew I was, you know, I think it was when I started to, it was before, it was probably before I got my record. deal honestly because I was so hot in the streets doing like mixtapes and yeah and and just touring the Chitlin market I would go to different cities the Carolinas

Tennessee yeah and uh yeah I mean people would just be be would fan out man you know people before I even got my record deal I was not they knew the words they would knew the words they knew the vehicles they would try to follow the vehicles on side of like real fan stuff So I was having fan experiences prior to get my record deal, and I started realizing that this was something that was going to be a little bit larger than I expected. Yeah. Was that Dante, or were you ready?

I prayed for it, so I believe it could happen. You believed? Mm-hmm. Yeah. You retired your moms? Oh, yeah. My mom hadn't worked in, I don't know how many years. My mom hadn't worked in a long time.

Yeah, yeah. You're close with your mother. Yes, I am. That's the first name before Tuchane's. Titty boy, yeah. Titty boy. From the family, you know? Nothing derogatory towards women got her from.

No, it's sweet. Like being a spoiled brat. Titty baby. It's about breastfeeding from your mom. Yeah. And in this case, it's being up under her so much, like, not giving her a minute to do really anything. And that was kind of what I was known for early on. Yeah, me too.

I was a mom of this boy. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I was breastfed until, like, 18, 19 years old. Yeah, you got any siblings though for real? I do. I have a younger sister.

We have the same birthday, four years apart. I swear. Yeah, yeah. What prompted you to like rebrand and reinvent yourself? Me looking at business and we have a mentors in the business space and noticing how big businesses rebrand every three to five years. So I treat the two chains brand as a business. So every two to three years, if it's not logo, it's something I'm doing to adjust the marketing. It's something I'm doing to just bring new light to me and what I have going on.

Yeah. It was also like Titty Boy, like you couldn't say it on like the news or something? At the time, now you can. No, yeah. At that time, you couldn't. But I would go to the radio and because when I got my record deal, I just was like, ah, I guess I'm Titty, Tick, whatever. And, you know, people would, you've got to think a lot of people automatically go into situations thinking negative.

And you have to make them like something. Well, I just thought it was doing that you were fat growing up. No, no, no. I thought it was like a fat kid with titties. And then I was like, oh, it was about like that you're close with your mother. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, I wasn't saying it as a bit.

I literally thought that, because we had friends, I had friends like that growing up and we all. No, I've been slender a long time. It just was the point that I was an only child. See, that's why I actually did you have siblings? Because that's why I was only child, so. Yeah, no, I mean, for sure, like when I found out you were a division one athlete, I assumed you were a titty boy. Perhaps that's how you stop being Titty Boys by getting incredible at basketball. No, I guess you.

We're high, dude. You're high. No, you're fucking off your rucker right now. Oh, man, I do this for, I literally, you know, I smoke just, I smoke casually throughout the day. Now, you, you're leaning back, you bouncing in a chair, you got one leg up, you giggling. I'm not comfortable being like this on the camera right now, and I'm getting a little self-conscious. Your layers cross, you tweaking, you're scratching your. Tweaking. Oh, I'm fine.

One of them took something else. I'm fine. You know this shit doesn't amplify whatever you took. So you got straight days in high school? Did you? You did. Did you though? No.

Really? No. I assume that Jewish people just had good grades in school. You're putting your foot in it right now accidentally. No, I just assumed. I assume that Jews, I just, I just, I assume this. No, my, I guess we did. I assume is like, I'm assuming.

Yeah, there are a lot of harmful stereotypes like that, like getting great grades. You dropped out of school? No, I went to college, but my whole thing was because my parents wanted A's. I would try to finesse it to like doing the least amount of work to get a. I wasn't like, I didn't think of school as like you learn there. I was like it's like a game. Yeah, we used to do cheat, we used to cheat. We used to like, yeah.

Really? Me and my friends would game the system. We were also smart. Yeah. We were just like, it's like a cost benefit analysis. We're like, we could, and we'd still do well on the exact. exams at the end of the year. But like, it was like out of,

it was like trying to beat the system a little bit. That's how Jews, it's called white collar crime. Yeah, it's like, that was my first experience. Yeah. At the end of the year, you do it, it's not important. Why are we talking about it? At the end of the year, you do a test called the Advanced Placement Test.

We're talking about the system, brother, and how people get around the system. We're talking about how people get around the system, brother. You didn't tap me there? I would put it over to die. We're talking about the man and the system. Yeah, yeah. No, exactly.

Yeah, okay. No, it's like we're, like, I mean, when Jews came to America, they were just criminals. They were just, yeah, they would cheat. Really? Yeah, of course. Yeah. They were like doing petty crimes.

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your skill and your present. temptation seems like both effortless and not lazy, you know? And that's, was that your style throughout or did you have to like find your style to begin with? I've always been like this. So you knew your voice, like you're, like you've never like tried other like, uh, other styles, I suppose. I'm so blazed, dude. It's crazy. It's so embarrassing.

You put the answer as if I'm not. But you asked for it. They're not listening, dude. They're not listening. But you asked for this, though. I know, because I thought... You're just for this experience. You know, you're a fan.

You smoke with tonic, man. I used to be great at smoking wheat, dude. Yeah. When I saw there will be blood, I, I, two to the face. What should take on shrooms? You ever try shroom? Yeah, yeah, I have, certainly, yeah. What do you think about it?

If you do, like, an eighth of shrooms and do a proper, like, trip, I always, like, sometimes will feel like, uh, everyone in my life hates me, and then when I leave a room, uh, they all start, making fun of me that's how you think but if you do a little bit of shrooms I found that it's kind of pleasant and nice and you're not you're happy you laugh a lot yeah I hate this crazy too though yeah in college we used to I did shrooms in college and mission impossible the scene where the he's like on the wire and it was a one of the

most afraid I've ever been in my entire life you were afraid yeah for Warren Tom for even for yeah I didn't want him to get in trouble I wanted him to cheat But yeah, crazy. Anyway, but like, going back to you, like, are you, to what extent are you, like, aware of the concept that, like, you've been on songs with, like, the biggest rappers of your time, and you've kind of killed, a lot of the time, killed it harder than them. Does that register, or are you like, I'm just, I'm on the team? No, I know I'm fine.

I'm like that. You know, I get that. You know what you've bodied everyone. Mm-hmm. You won't say the songs though, right? No, it's just, that's how I'm coming. Mercy, you love it. Mercy?

Yeah. Yeah, I had the best, you know you did. Yeah. You know you did. Yeah. Because I say I had the best. Yeah, because that's like a legendary. Yeah, of course I had the best.

Yeah. What was it? Yay was like very good to you very early on. Is that correct? How did you guys be? Like, what was your? I was making noise in the streets, putting out mixtapes. And.

What year was it? Man, this is a good one. I would say maybe either 2010 or 2011. So after graduation? Yeah, before my first. 808. Actually, what did it? This is before my first album. My first album came out in 2012, so we met way before. So probably 2011 or late 2010 or something.

To what we built the rapport. And it was through the music that I was putting out in the streets. Through my mixtapes, started building the rapport, talking on the phone. founcing creative ideas. What do you teach you? He's a G-G-A-A-a-a-a-a-lot, bro. Yeah. I don't think you can just name something he taught you

just by being around him. He has a very high level of everything from architect to engineering, not just music. You know what I mean? So it's just like art. Also just as a producer. Yeah, all of that. So just, you know, I'm definitely,

and then I'm someone that tries to learn something in different when I'm, around the Wayne era or whoever I'm around that has more knowledge in that particular department or more experience I come with my eyes and my ears open that's what Kobe used to do right with like legends yeah yeah that's what you I think you should study them I don't I do less talking when I'm around certain individuals and more listening Kanye is like my favorite I like I think it's not sad enough but he could very well be the best producer you know ever people like talk about him his rap career is like so like massive but like the beats that he's

made just like throughout his career like I think the best yeah I think he's really dope at curating he convinced you to up your fee for feature my feature yeah maybe he did what do you what do you what do you tell you to up it to I don't I don't know. This was when I was doing a lot of features at the time and I would come in studio sessions with him and then like go to another room. I got to knock out this feature. So it started being something that was not getting in my way, but it was something that I was doing so common. And so I think his idea was just to put a high number on it, so it would just limit. What's the features you've done in a week? In a week?

Yeah. In your life. I don't know, man. I can, I don't know. I don't know, probably 10 or 12 or something. Times that by 100,000. Oh. Tenor is woke. Yeah.

I mean, yeah. $1.2 million. Oh, yeah, he wanted me to judge her. Yeah, but yeah, the charge. I was charging it. But that was when, because what happens is you work with artists that you're one fans of and that you plan on working with. So sometimes when you do that, you just do swap hours.

you'll just swap it out. You'll be like, you know, whenever you need me. But then it became a point where you just charged because you're not going to swap with it. And even now, I have, I don't know how many swaps. I don't know, maybe two years ago I did like the update to see how many people actually owe me verses. And some of the people on those lists,

I don't even want nothing. I don't even want a verse from him. Jason Durulow. Jason Durroo. He owes you a verse. Did I charge? I don't know if you charged it, but you were on the.

But you know what? That song is almost diamond. That'll be my, so I have to figure out like that, it worked. Does it sound like Jewish to you a little bit? Does what sound Jewish? That song. Did it do. It does kind of.

That was my reference point at least. I was like, what is this? I don't know. I don't, you know, musically, what is the Jewish background of music? Klesber. Lesberg? Kleggsberg. Yeah, kind of.

One more time? Klazmer. Klazmer. Yeah. You want to hear it? It sounds like Jason Derulo, Talk 32. Play it. All right, I'll put it on.

You want to hear this, but not my weed dealer's reggae song about family court? So what you're about to play as a Jewish artist? No, this is a style. It's like, I don't know. I think it's kind of not bad. It's kind of like Radiohead a little bit. I can't believe if I just said that. That's so embarrassing, Hunter.

Did you hear me say that? It's kind of like radio head. I'm so lit. Okay, I'll put like, I guess, I don't know. That's the style of music. Yeah. That's what you and your boys was pippin to. No, no, no, no, we were listening to.

Paul's Dropout, Black Album, Reasonable Doubt, Blue Print. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all listen to our music. Yes, of course, we're Jewish boys. Yeah. It's like this. Like Jason Durulo.

No, that's not easy. It does sound like that. What instrument is that? I think clarinet. You know, Woody Allen plays clarinet. Anyway, it's kind of fire, though. You could get the reference to the Jason Derulo track. You do get it though, right?

Yeah. Am I body this or am I bombing this right now? Wait, so I, like, uh... What I would suppose is like a do you ever like have a feeling if you crush it on like another person's track? Like you're like it's like I'm giving them like a great song. Yeah. I have thought about that before. Like I should say this verse for me.

This is a great song. I mean this is a great verse or something like that I have said some dope stuff on other people's song. But ultimately I'll think it's something else dope. Yeah. Or if you're like on a song, I imagine with like other killers you just want to kill the hardest. Absolutely. Right. It's like, you know, friendly

Gary Glenn Ross, this movie where it's like all the best actors. Oh. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I said that. We should watch it together, though. I'm not watching the move with you. Jack Lemon.

Good work, Adam. Keep up the good work. Alex Cheetah. Alecich. The movie sounds good, but like me and you watch the movie, it's crazy. It's like Mercy.

It's like you're all of that track with the other best rap. I understand. Everything you said. I think. Even listening to Mercy together for me and you is crazy. Like we shouldn't be doing none of that. We shouldn't be watching a movie.

You shouldn't be. We shouldn't be. We shouldn't be. We shouldn't be. We'll see how you feel in 13 minutes. How do you feel? I feel great, honestly. This is one of the funniest things to have to do.

What would you do after this? I'm impaired right now. I have to go back to work. I have to edit the Gavin Newsome episode. Oh, you had Gavin Promoting this book. He came on here? Yeah, you're the second book promoter. Did you?

Yeah. I feel like... Yeah, yeah. I feel like... I don't know why I'm in this position in life right now. Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. Okay.

We're totally going to watch a movie. I feel like it's turning. No, you're crazy. I think we are. You had Gavin Newsome on here, right? Yeah, he's going to be the president, maybe. Look at him. All right, so listen.

You was acting like that when he was up here by his book. I didn't Piff, dude. I was all right before the Piff. You have to admit it. No. You was helping him. You got to sell, look, bro, you use your network. That's what I'm on here.

Use your network. No, this is an independently produced kind of punk rock style place you're at right now. We're outside the system. Kind of selling it out the trunk, if you will. I got him. I got him finally. Do you have any advice for me, young man? Ooh, get some kids.

Do you chill out? He needs a kid. Oh, my God. Having a kid. told me to chill out from smoking weed. Yeah, you don't need. It's not straight now. It's not for everybody.

I know, dude. See, that's what I'm saying. It's not for everybody. My kids probably need to see that, because they know that, man. I'm definitely going to mess with that. That man, that's start. I'm only doing this for him right now.

No, you ain't doing that for him. No, I'm doing that for him. He's the future of this country. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He matters more than us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it like having your kids are, like, rich? My kids are rich.

Yeah, yeah, like by proxy of like, you know, I teach my kids to really be rich from the inside out. So they got a good foundation inside and they're not really like, I mean, they're spoiled to the fact. You just be cutting people out. No, I was going to ask that. Do you worry about them being spoiled? I mean, yes and no. But at the same time, you don't want them to experience what you experience. So they're going to have a higher level and more experiences than you did coming up.

So I think my wife and I did a good job of putting. them in a certain light, right? But, you know, as they get older, we'll take our hands off the steering wheel and kind of, or take the training wheels off and let them learn on their own as well. That's lovely. I can tell you, your main parents.

Talk about my book, because I know to get, I'm going to look at the gaps, Gavin Newsome episode. I'm going to see how you try to do me. This is a completely different thing. Talk about my book. Talk about my book. I got it. Okay, so, wait, you mentioned your grandmother,

like shot at the police, and then you never followed that up. Can you tell us more about that story? Because I wasn't there, bro. I heard this story from like my mom. Wait, so what's the story, though? I just wanted it to know more. My grandma sold bootled liquor.

Wow. And this is before I guess you could get liquor. And I guess the police was coming to ask or something. And from my assumption, she shot at them, shot at them pulling up. So the boys, I'll do it. Yeah. Sit back, bro. I have a book that's very.

That's very important to me. It's very, very, very important to me. I'm the author of this book. It's called The Voice in My Head is God. It took me over two years to write this book. It's very introspective and it's very detailed as far as my life experiences and my journey. It has the title God in it, but it's not necessarily like a religious book. I don't have like scriptures in it.

I do have stories of the times that I either left a relationship, meaning business or whatever or stayed in one too long. I just let people in on the way that I think, the way that I move. And I think that this piece of literature can help my community navigate through their daily experiences by listening to the divine guidance that they have inside of them. And they can help you from everything through business decisions, heartbreak, what shoes you should wear, everything from top to bottom. So, yeah, that's how you do that, bro.

Okay. That's how you do that, right? Can we be like, so tell me about the book. That's cap. No, no, wait. Just let's get it clean. So tell me about the book. Yeah.

Oh, wait. Were there stories that didn't relate or that didn't make the book? Yeah. Yeah. Of course, yes. What? I think I have a lot of stories that just didn't make the book. the the ultimately the book ultimately the book is me telling stories through the lens of this

voice in my head and how something told me if you've ever said something told me to do something to say something something told you to something what told you did did what told you to do this I thought it would be cool I thought you I thought it was a slam dunk yeah so something told you to do that. All right, so sometimes the voice is, sometimes, sometimes the voice could be off. I thought we're going to watch a movie afterwards. Sometimes you, sometimes the voice could clearly be off depending on who you are. So you have to like, you know. Oh yeah, yeah. When I blaze, I think about everything I say throughout the day and I'm like, you suck. Yeah. I go through my entire day. But I think you say stuff and you don't fear the consequences because of delusional. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because you know your family got money, right? No, they really don't have money. I bought my dad's house, yeah. So the Jewish kids can't, like, support their parents? No, it's, well, yeah, no, it's. I'm just, I'm a, I'm a learning at this point. They're not plugged, they're not plugged, yeah. Why not?

But don't you, like, have, like, friends of the family to, like, help? No, no, no, because we're not from America, yeah. Okay. We're not, like, connected, yeah, yeah. But now that I have agents, since, you know, obviously they're Jewish. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or managers, yeah. Yeah, but I've, like,

rid it through whatever this is, through being great at asking your questions. Yeah, you're absolutely your top. You're the top. Wait, wait, can I ask a good question, then? Let's try that. Let's try a good one. Come on, bro.

Let's see what you got. What is this? This is one of those shows, dude. This is, like, getting along and being best friends than watching a movie afterwards show. You just laughing at this. Thank you.

Your wife is, she's, that's how we want to watch comedy. We laugh at two different things. What's your favorite comedy? That's not my question. I don't know, man. How do you mark, like, evolving and growing as an artist?

Like, you obviously want to top yourself each time, right? So, like, what are your markers of, like, progression? Is there a moment where you're satisfied? Or is there a moment where it's, like, I'll never be satisfied? Yeah, I think it's hard to put a glance. glass ceiling on passion.

Yeah. Yeah. I think when you just love something that's hard to really, you know, find that end all, you know, for me at least. Yeah. You know, you wake up every day thinking, you know, you could take it up or not, you can go up a level. You're delusional when you're a creative.

You just, you know, you, you wake up and then you you hope that that day brings you an idea that you you know that you can read the benefits off of so yeah when what did you consider you fully like accepted that that God was that God felt like I've been tapped in for you know it's not been a very long time but I can it I think it took life experiences and the outcome for me to come to a conclusion that this voice in my head has helped me navigate through some of the toughest times and turmoil than my life.

Yeah. And it got stronger. Absolutely. Right? You learned how to trust it. It got clearer. Clear. Yeah.

You think that's what, like, maturing, like that's the point of it? Yeah, yeah. I think so, too. I couldn't wrote a book like that at 20-some years old. Yeah. Go through some stuff. Yeah. You seem remarkably, like, grounded for, like, someone as famous as.

yourself yeah like is this the method and means of you maintaining like a level even keel and I think you could have some secret sauce in that book I think it could yeah I think I could be and who knows you know this is my opinion this is my personal belief yeah so I think what works for people is whatever they believe in this is what I truly believe in this is how I truly be operating so ultimately you know it changes the way what one person navigates throughout the day

and they pay more attention to that something told me boys. Have you said it to any like any people you know? You're like I think you might. Have you sent it to any baby bros? Maybe tell them to keep their heads straight? Oh man. I think

I've definitely sent out some advanced copies. I've also had this conversation with people before writing the book. So that's what gave you the idea. Well, yeah. Yeah. All right, last question.

Is there a sneak dis, perhaps? A sneak disc? Yeah, in that book. No, this book. There's one line where the one guy on earth reads it and he knows. He's like, oh, no, you're rent free. This book about positive vives, man, and uplifting. Well, I think it's, it genuinely is a great thing you've shared with people.

And I think it's like the, I know you're saying it's just. just your opinion but I think it's pretty universal to learn how to like accept your your intuition and accept that your like life is kind of lucky at certain points and so you have to like trust your gut what is the biggest inflection point like that in your entire life where you it could have gone one of two directions dramatically different I've had a couple of those crossroads bro I've had a couple of them Yeah, that, you know, at that particular time, it probably led me somewhere that I felt was dark,

ultimately leading me to the light, and then I've made decisions based off just good, nice rest, and this is what I'm going to do. So I've had a few pivots throughout my life that have came, you know, through that process. I got it together. You're not together, but it's okay. I got it together at the end there.

You gotta give you got to give me a problem. Okay, cool. Am I saying it to, no, no, you've got a cosine. You have to tell the people that you're like, I'm impressed by the tenacity and the... All right, how many hands I got it? You have two hands? Okay.

You don't have visuals from weed. I'm just trying to make sure you. It is exotic. I will attest to that. Is it okay? But you look like a... Man, when I leave, You're gonna be punching it.

You're gonna be punching yourself, man. You're like, damn, I got high as hell. I'm already knowing how you're gonna be with the, who's that Hunter? Let me tell you how, you're gonna hunter right there. Me and Hunter. Let me tell you how like, like, a delusional I am. I'm not even gonna do that.

I'd be like, that was awesome. Yeah, you delusional. Seriously. You deli- I know, out of my mind. All right, my God. Woo! I thought, honestly, bro. That was like.

Clap for him, man. Honestly, bro. That is, that is, that is. That is going to cut together so fun. What an unmitigated disaster. One of my personal heroes, two chains, hated my guts. And to make matters worse, I was high on illegal marijuana. I had to get out of there.

I ducked out of the studio. My head was full of dangerous, negative self-talk, horrible, unspeakable things that I was telling myself, like you stink, things like that. Then it all went black. Where was I? What had happened? You know, before technology like the cell phone or the mailman were invented, carrier pigeons used to be used by humanity to communicate for thousands of years. These pigeons don't know that they're carrying a correspondence for a general or a star-crossed lover.

All they know is that they need to go home. They're unaware of the magnets in their heads guiding their path or the sun serving like a compass. The pigeons only know one thing. No matter how far they started, they could always find their way home. I'm Adam Freebund. And I'll be back next week. I promise.