The Adam Friedland Show (Cumtown) - MARK CUBAN Talks Luka Trade, Epstein, Steve Ballmer

Episode Date: March 11, 2026

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Let's go back to Freight. I'm rich. I'm Jewish. Nobody ever fucking invites me to that shit, right? Yeah, you didn't get on the island. I didn't get an email. Did you feel like a loser a little bit? Like not finding your name more?

No, Jeff. No, that shit, no. But I'm just talking about the trilateral commission. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. The protocol's the elders. Yes. Yeah.

Like the real shit. Did you at least get an invite to one of the Sterling Freakoffs? No. Welcome back to the Adam Friedland show, guys. It's Adam Friedland. Thanks for joining us. I'm going on the road. I'll be in Tampa, Florida, Los Angeles, California.

That's for the Netflix's A Joke Festival, San Francisco, California, and Portland, Oregon. More dates will be announced throughout the year. You can get tickets at Adam Freeland. dot show, and there's also a link in the description of this video. My guest this week is American businessman and billionaire Mark Cuban.

How do I put this? The story of Cuban is, I guess the story the American dream, as you'll find out. First he got the moni, and then he got the power, and then he got the pussy. He arrived in Miami, Florida in 1980 as a refugee with his best friend, Manolo Rivera. After a drug deal gone wrong, where he witnessed a man being dismembered via chainsaw, he began working for Jewish businessman Frank Lopez and developed an attraction to his wife, Alvira, who's from Baltimore, and she also just seems kind of like a frigid bitch.

When they met in a club and she was dancing and he's like, Where'd you from? Mark Cuban said, where'd you frong? And she's like, Baltimore. Yeah. Anyway, Mark had a straight relationship with his family because of his ties to organize crime. He famously, of course, tried to offer his mother $1,000 that he claimed to earn as a political organizer, which he rejected outright.

But then his sister, Gina, accepted the money. And then after that, he told Manolo to stay away from his sister. Famous. We all know that. Okay. Shortly thereafter he was sent to Bolivia, on the side, he negotiated a drug deal behind Frank, what's his name? Frank Lopez. Yeah, yeah. Behind Frank Lopez is back. He negotiated a drug deal with Alejandro Osso who's kind of the classiest guy in the whole story. Story, yeah. And then Frank, in the history, in the whole history. And then Frank gets mad about it. He's kind of going around Frank's back. And then what transpires afterwards is kind of, of course, boring. and the story kind of drags. But of course, we all know the ending, which is that at his mother's behest,

Mark Cuban high on cocaine, tracks down his sister, and he finds her with, who? None other than Manolo, who he said, stay away from my sister. And then Cuban shoes Manolo dead, and then learns that Gina, his sister just got married to him. Fuck. And then he takes Gina to his estate and begins a cocaine binge

in his office, of course, and then he accuses, and then Gina turns to him and accuses him of wanting her for himself. She gets naked. She's kind of hot too. His sister? Look up, you can mark you. Look at it, look it up, look it up actually.

Real quick, we'll just go, we'll say pause for Caleb to see. Just check it out. Not mark, you don't, go out there, maybe X-video. Yeah, there, so she, that's the sister, kind of, get that bigger for me. in hands. Sorry, I'm dragging. We just saw a picture of my... Anyway, so she shoots, she said, she accuses Mark Cuban of wanting her for himself, and then she shoots and wounds him, and then

subsequently she's killed by one of the Sosa's men who Mark Cuban kills in return. And then, of course, Sosa's men invade the grounds and kill Mark Cuban's guards, including Chi-Chi, who's the one who, along with Manny, saved him from the chainsaw thing on Miami Beach, and then Mark takes a rifle and a grenade launcher to the invaders. And he kills a bunch of them. But then he gets shot in the back and he succumbs to his wounds. And then of course, Mark Cuban falls over the railing from the upstairs, which is open to the kind of an upstairs balcony situation.

Do you have a one story or two-story house growing up? Probably one story over there. But you know how like we had the balcony. He falls. So Mark Cuban there. succumbs to his injuries after being shot in the back he's killed and then his body falls from the balcony into the pool which is he has an indoor pool and at the he has his globe and at the base of the globe the motto the world is yours we reads read you can is red is red anyway so say hello to my little friend so um say hello to my little friend Ladies and gentlemen, legendary American entrepreneur, Mark Cuban, everyone!

I'm excited about this. I'm excited about this. Appreciate. You guys sounded big for once. Once. For once. You know, first of I want to start, I want to start, give you a little credit for something, right? One of the news stories I think that it's going to be, you know, if I'm reading the tea leaves, it's going to be huge, is this goddamn Jeffrey Epstein story. So we search, I mean, you're clean, my friend.

You're clean, my friend. No, I was in there one time. But you weren't in there. You were mentioned. I was mentioned by somebody. I think Steve Vanden sent an article to Epstein saying that I might run for president. Well, all I'm saying is this. Everyone's mad at all these folks that are in the Epstein emails, but they're not,

do you feel like you get enough credit for not being in the Epstein emails? Let's just keep me out of that same conversation. Well, actually, we got you, we got you an award. I had this made for you. It said, is Mark Cuban not in the Epstein email? Give it to him. Thank you. I want to thank my family.

I have a bone to pick with you. Okay. Okay. Last name. We got to talk about for a stuff. Okay, Cuban. Yeah. Where you come from?

But you're Jewish. Yeah, I'm Jewish, yeah. It's not fair. Why? Your last name gets to be that. Imagine growing up when I grew up with the last name like Cuban. Like, what do you think my nickname was when I was? I was a little kid.

Heshit Teshowitz. Yeah. That, how, you're right? Yeah, exactly. Everybody called me Castro, like, up until I was like 17 years old. But that's cool. You're like, you have a cigar in your mouth. You're like, you're a guerrilla.

You invented the Eurosep, apparently. Yes. Do you know about that? Castro invented the Eurosep. I did not know that. It's a popular internet lore. Apparently he could hoop. And he could pitch.

I'd see something about that. Yeah, I knew he could play baseball. Yeah, yeah. For the Havana Sugar Kings or something. But, but also, So, yeah, I mean, it's just not fair, like that I have to just sound, my name sounds like this. My name was Adam Dominican. Yeah, right?

Right. No, when I go to, when I, before anybody knew who I was, when I would go to Miami, it was always, are you, are you? Yeah, are you? You're like, it's a little on the nose. Right. What did you realize that? That was, so, what came from? Yeah.

So, like, I'm into genealogy, so I'll give you all. Yeah, me too. So, my great, great, however many generations back were in, um, the, um, the, you're in, um, Tsarish Russia, right? Yes, same. And back then, your name was like Igor Igorovich or something like that, right? But they wanted to know who the Jews were, and so they told them they had to have a last name. They created last names for them.

And the last names were based off of what town you lived in. And so my, however many generations back, I lived in this town called Kadimi, right? And then went from Kadimi to Chabinsky, and then when it got more anglicized, it went to Chubbin. Chibinsky. And then when my grandparents came over on the boat, they just started, some people started calling him Cuban. They don't know exactly when or how, the people just started calling him Cuban. And that was it. That's how it got to that. And literally on, you know, my name is CUB-A-M, but on my dad's birth certificate, it's spelled C-U-B-I-N. Because really? Yeah, my grandparents didn't speak much of English and all that shit.

Well, to me, it's Chibinsky. You're on notice. There you go. Yeah, yeah. I'm actually Landau, apparently. Landau? Yeah, yeah. As in Martin? I think it's literally the same family. I think it was like the family lore is 10 brothers and sisters. Nine of them went to Ellis Island and my dipshit relative went to Cape Town, South Africa. You got on the wrong boat literally. Whoops. Wait, have you ever heard of Marty Allen, the old old old school comedian?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my great uncle. Really? He was like the famous person. You know how every family and the family lore coming up from the old country, right? But your great uncle, Marty Allen, you know? He's big time with his hair. Yeah, with the curly hair.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he's got show business in his blood. In my blood, yeah, right? All right, I want to just cruise through, like, where you come from. You grew up in Pitt. Pittsburgh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You went to college.

You had a bar. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I got some pictures of this goddamn, this. It was chaos over there. Oh, man, it was great. It does, with some of the faces are blacked out. It does kind of look like it's for the episode.

Like, this one? It was blacked out because, yeah, that was for a different reason. Is this you kiss, you're smooching on the floor? Oh yeah, that was me. That was, those, that wasn't from the board. This is from the Department of Justice, guys. No, it is not from the Department of Justice, right? Yes, it is.

It was worse. Oh my God, look at you guys are doing that elephant walk thing with the penis. Yeah, because what that was was, um. It's pretty cool. So that's brotherhood. Rugby teammates. And so, um, I played rugby and back when Google, what was the original Google, um, social media thing they came out with? whatever it was, like in 2008 or whatever.

Oh, yes. Google, a reader? No, no, no, no, no. I don't know. But anyways, whatever. So, you know, this is back then, I was like, okay, I'll put my shit up there thinking it was private. And then all of a sudden I got these emails from a reporter. Oh, my God.

Whatever the site was, you got it, because they're deadspin, right? Deadspin. Deadspin. And they're like, we got all these pictures of you, like, you know, naked pictures. and bucked up things and doing the elephant walk. Yeah, this one. He's licking that. Yeah, right?

This is from Little St. James Island. I'm from Miami, right? Yeah, from Miami. And she was 47. Yeah, she was 47. But in any event, in any event, so I had all these crazy rugby pictures that I posted. And one of the guys, the reason so much of it is blacked out is one of the guys, Bob Constit, he was the one that always like to get naked.

You know, there was always a couple of rugby. players, you know, parties. And so we had to black him out. But great guy. And so he went to Africa to, um, vaccines. To deal with malaria, right? To save people. Really? And build, build nets and everything for people. And then he died of malaria. And so this was like a month before all this shit came up. And I'm like, look, you got me, right? There's nothing I can do. You're going to post there. Do me favor. Let me annotate him. Right. You don't want to just fuck with this guy and show his naked pictures of him after he just died being a great citizen, right? doing the right thing.

Yeah. You had a nice one. If you had a nice one, maybe you can remember. So there's a bar in Indianapolis. There's a bar in Indianapolis. And his nickname was Tini Constanini. No, no. You're a good man.

He's a good man. Is that why you started micro solutions? No. Is that why you started? That's the best line ever. The best line ever heard. Did you ever find the solution? Yeah, I did find the solution.

Because I heard that you can increase the girth, but the length never. Oh, my God, I can't remember the name. It was a rugby bar in Indianapolis. And literally, they have a picture, a blown-up picture of Tini, you know, Bob God's. And just standing there naked to honor him, because that's how he was for all these rugby players. And there's a picture of him standing naked holding up a sign. And he has a looking like a flasher at an airport. Literally it was at an airport.

The guy was just a stunt. He was amazing. And so that's how they honored him. Who's got the smallest in the NBA? I'm just kidding. I don't know, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Has a guy ever made it to league?

Because it's so hard to make it to the league. Yeah, of course. Right? It's just the chances of making it to the league. And just like, if you have to imagine, a guy's got, he needs a micro solution, let's just say, right? And he's worked his ass off his whole life. He goes to D1.

He goes to D1 called. He's just been in showers with just legends. his whole life. And he makes it to the league, if anything, I'm like, there should be like a, that kind of war.

I'll just tell you about one, I'll tell you the one story. I'm not going to name the player. Okay, right. So when I, right when I, Joe Jones.

Yeah. No, but right when I got to the NBA, I would go out and hang out with some of the guys and, you know, we were hanging out, and one of his buddies goes, whoever he touches,

female-wise, let me just tell you, whoever comes in behind him going to be a hot dog in a hallway. I was like, point taken? Moving on. Wait, so do you ever, do you think athletes might get so famous that they might have like affairs on their wives and girlfriends?

Is that ever a concern? I do. I stay out of their personal lives. Yeah, yeah. What if you, what if you saw them having an affair and their lovely wife called you and said, you know, what happened? What do you do? I just say I wasn't there

You know Classic classic Yeah I'm not gonna be I don't get in What happens on little St. James Same Oh my goodness So you

I like I like this little detail I found you went to University Indiana Indiana University IU Congrats You got a chip Yeah Big one big one

Yes Everyone on the team was 29 years old It doesn't matter Doesn't matter The score is the score. The score is the score. You chose it because it was the cheapest business school.

Yeah, the top ten, yeah. I love that. I love that. And you paid your way through college. You had some, you were a hustler. Yeah, total. I could have to pay for my own school. What is this chain letters situation?

Oh, it was great. That's how I paid for my junior year of college. What are you, Bernie Madoff? You know, close. So what it was was one of these things where there was a list, you got a letter, right? And there was a list of 10 people on the letter. And when you start at the bottom, and when you work your way at the top, people are sending you money. So, like, I give the letter to you, and you send, back then it was, you gave me $50 because I sold it to you.

And then you sent $50 to the person at the top of the list. And then that way, then you work your way up the list. Then the person you sent the money to, you take their name off the list, right? And you work your way up. And it's your job to go out and get more people to participate. That's smart. So I made sure I sold all the names up and literally sold it to as many people as possible. Made sure none of the people I sold it to lost any money.

They all least broke even. And then I got up to the top. Suckers at the bottom. Suckers at the bottom, right? People got greedy, didn't take care of their own. And, you know, I literally made $4,500, which back then was like, that was my tuition. Yeah, $500. It's crazy, right?

Yeah, crazy. Jesus Christ. Our generation is screwed. You moved to Dallas. Like, how big do you like your women? Like hair or... No, Dallas women are... It's not Houston.

No, it's not Houston. It's not San Antonio. No, definitely not San Antonio. You know, Chuck talks about that. Chuck talks about it all the time, right? But, yeah, the Dallas women are hot. They're hot? Yeah, for sure.

And you used to go down Galveston? Galveston, not often, but a couple times. Yeah, and they had the oil in the water? That part, I never got to. Did you see that Chuck Rant? No. No, I didn't see that one. He's like, they go to Kanku, they go to Galveston.

They got oily water. Chuck is the bad. Have you ever met Chuck? No, I read his autobiography. No, you should have him on. Please get him on right now. Oh, my God. All my gosh questions are out the window.

He's the best guy ever. He's my best guy ever. He's my hero. He is the funniest comedian in America. By far. Yeah. By far. The funniest comedy show. In fact, the best show is just inside the NBA.

Yeah, yeah. It frustrates me when I see players now, they're all podcasters because I'm like, I have to, like, I lied my way into like having a meeting with Rich Paul. Because I'm like, I was changing agencies. The UTA was like, I was like, next time I'm in Los Angeles, I demand a meeting with Rich Paul. And they took it seriously, I guess. They didn't realize I was joking. So I like went into this man's office. And I guess now that he's starting a podcast, there was like stuff for us to talk about.

But I was just like, can you stop? Like, if I was the biggest agent in sports, like, I'm doing this because I'm not in the NBA. Like, you know, I have to do this. Right? Yeah. And then I, like, you just don't want no part of this life, you know? This is like, yeah. Oh, there's no part of the podcast.

Why are you podcasts? Yeah, you don't understand, right? You just, why are you doing this? I have to do this. I have no choice because I'm like 510 and like a buck 20 went or something. No, but like, but then like, yeah, the last 15 minutes, I kind of like, I think we had a productive conversation. Then he just started taking calls. And he was like talking to players.

He was like, yeah, he showed. A couple teams interested. I'm like, what should I be here? He's really talking to his mom is what he said. Yeah, yeah. He's like, it's Dajon Tabor. Yeah. But, but yeah, at a certain point I was like just loitering in a.

man's office and I kept just he kept taking calls and I kept just being like I want to say goodbye and then and then he like hangs up on a call and they goes you see college basketball sucks and I was like yeah and he goes I'm like it's been nice being here I feel like I've been waiting for 20 minutes he's like yeah he made me wait too so it's okay yeah what the hell is that he was doing the golf do you do golf no I hate golf he did golf club in the office thing like for movies where like he's like having a conversation with me he's like, so what's your process? No, he did not.

Bullshit. Yeah, yeah. How cool is that? That's cool. Bullshit. No, but that's like business style. That's like corner office. So what's your process?

What drives you? Right? Nice swing, right? Okay, first question is like, you suddenly became a billionaire in one moment of your life. Yeah. What is that?

What the fuck is that? What the fuck is that? So the company, we started at his audio net, and we were the very first streaming company. Did you call the top, Doc, you did. Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that, right? And so started AudioNet with first streaming company

and just growing like a weed, and we were just audio, added video, renamed ourselves, broadcast.com, went public, biggest IPO, first-day IPO jump in the history of the stock market at the time. And then a year and a half later, we sold to Yahoo for $5.7 billion in stock. In stock, though, right?

So then I was like, look, I don't need to be greedy, right? I got this bee next to my name, I'm happy with that. And so I did this thing called a caller where it was a public company Yahoo, and I sold calls and bought puts to protect my downside. And give up some of the upside, protect my downside. Call it. Not three months later, everything crazed.

And they called it one of the top ten trades in Wall Street history. Were you blowing the whistle on the dot-com bubble? Were you saying, like, listen, this is everything. No, no, the companies were cool. It was just the valuations in the stock market. Like literally, I would come to New York and be in a cab, and people would be talking about, oh, you broadcasts.com, you're right, oh, I buy broadcast. I mean, everybody was talking about stocks. Like, now people talk about crypto or whatever, but you're not getting in your Uber and everybody's talking stocks.

And that's the difference. It was just, you could just tell it was just people were just too excited about trading stocks. There would be ads on television, you know, let's trade stocks. It was just a different world. Like the Robin Hood thing that happened like five years ago, right? Well, there was just like, you know, just all my friends. Oh yeah, everybody getting to robbingy and buy and selling crypto. Yeah, yeah, we thought that.

To the moon, right? We thought we were the wolves of Wall Street. Yeah, all of us just got ripped. My friend called me, he's like, I just lost $50,000. He's like, I think I have a gambling. For real. Yeah, so, so what, like, what is a billion, like, what is that? Like, what is a billion dollars?

Like, what is having a billion? What does it feel like? Does it feel good? It feels really good. Really? Really. But what does it do? I don't have to stress about the bullshit I used to have to stress.

But half a billion dollars you don't have to stress, right? This is true, but I wasn't going to give it back. I know, I know. I'm not saying that. But like, your wife's not going to understand what a billion dollars is, right? Nobody does. Like, it was weird, like, when it first happened. I mean, you just, you can't even fathom it.

Do you laugh? you laugh? Yes. Like, it was insane. Like, to this day, I mean, it's just like, how to fuck this happened to me? But like, when it first happens, it's like, okay. I mean, I remember the moment, right? And it was like, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, how did this happen?

And then your first enclans is, what changes, you know? And for me, it was like, I wanted to buy a plane. And so... The plane is the thing, right? The plane is the thing, yeah. Because you could be like, I want to go to Tokyo for dinner. I can go right now. That's crazy.

Yeah, I can go right now. I want to go to Brazil for to shop. Let's go. Let's go. Really? You could do that? I can do that. Do you want to go to Magic City right now?

The wings, right? The wings. We got to get the lemon pepper looos. So the plane. So I guess it's just kind of like the plane is the thing. The plane is what you can buy. Like now with a billion dollars, you can't afford a sports team back then you could. Right?

It's crazy. But so the plane was one thing. But the weird part was like how everybody else responds to you. like my brothers, my parents, my friends. Oh, the jackals. Right, well, they just don't know, right? They're like, okay, you know, what's going to change? Like I had one dude that was kind of like a running buddy type dude that I wasn't close to, but he just sent me a letter, right?

Didn't ask me, sent me a letter asking for $275,000. And he said he's going to give $275,000 to the next person. Right? And put your name at the bottom of the list. Yeah, yeah. Right. But like you, you know, you're still, you still go to Costco and stuff. I go to Target.

Yeah, I go to Walmart, just whatever. Yeah, sorry, he's just like, oh, dude. Right. No. Yeah. I mean, here's my take, right? A billion dollars is like, you're not, you kind of, you just want to have more money than other guys, right? At the beginning.

It's a little bit like you're thinking about other guys all day. All day. The only plausible way to do it in my mind is if you have a team. Right? That's where my head was, yeah. It's the, it must be the best thing ever. When you're winning. Well, no, you even, well, yes, right.

When you're losing, it's brutal. When you, I remember you coming into the league and being the loudmouth owner of the Dallas Mavericks. Yeah. And then I'm a Laker fan, so I'm like, oh, just fucking screw this guy. But then in reality, it's like, if I have my own boys, my squad. Like, I would be doing it like you. Oh, my God, it was so much. Like, when I first got in, and nobody.

knew what to expect and didn't know shit about me. I mean, I would fuck with everybody. I got, you know, I'd get fine for shit. But like Phil Jackson, right? So he and I would, because back then, you know, regular old school media, right? You could just talk to a reporter and everybody would see it. And so like he would talk shit about me. Oh, he doesn't know this. I would just talk shit right back. So like I called him my bucket boy. I called him my piss boy. And I'm getting an interview. This boy, the Zen master? Right? The Zen master is my piss boy. Right? Because it's from this old Mel Brooks movie, right? Where there's this thing about, piss boy, piss boy. And so it's just like, oh, like the chamber pot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why did, why Phil Jackson? Just because he would

fuck with me and, you know, I would fuck with him right back. How old were you when you bought the maps? Forty-one. Sick, yeah. And they're younger guys now. There's Perra in. Yeah, Robert Perra. How old was he when he bought him? I think he was, I don't know. I don't even know with Robert because he never would show up to the meeting. Yeah, what was his thing? It was from like routers. Yeah. He has the best routers. I don't know if he has the best, but Russia buys a lot of them. I know. Your boy Pablo just did a thing on him.

You're a boy Pablo. My boy Pablo. Should we call him right now? Should we prank him? You can call Pablo? I don't care. A pair? I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know him at all. You have Pablo were beefing, right? About the Balmer thing? No, I wasn't beefing. I get along great with Pablo, right? It's just that we just disagree. I just want to just talk a little bit about that 2011 run.

Because I think the NBA, we don't really see Cinderella runs like that. And that was. And when did you know there was something happening? Not till we got past the Lakers. You know, when we swept the Lakers, then I know. Because I'm always the type that I'm, because in 2006, we made it to the finals. We go up 2-0 against the heat. And I'll never forget.

It's the third quarter. We're at 14 points. I'm standing behind the bench. And I'm thinking to myself, we might sweep these motherfuckers, right? And then two minutes later, you know, boom, it all falls apart. So I never got like cocky or overconfident thinking this is going to happen until like there's a picture of me next to the bench with like 30 seconds to go and we're up 10. And there's just a bunch of us meeting Brendan Haywood, you know, Deshaun and Steven just screaming at the top of our lungs. And it's not it's, that's all the stress release, right?

Because when you get into the playoffs, it's stressful as fuck. Right. Yeah, because you're just going, going, going. And the further you get, the more stressful it becomes. Was there a satisfying aspect about the like, not one, not two, not three, about like beating the shit out of it? Yeah. Yeah, the best part about that, no matter where I went, people just clap. Like, I came to New York.

I had an event that I had to do in New York. And I got off the plane, right? My plane. I got off my plane. And literally, the people that were just working at the airport started clapping. Yeah. I walked into a restaurant here. Is it?

Yeah, because LeBroad, you know, at Rockins is a restaurant here. People stood up and started clapping. In retrospect, kind of like that year, kind of I feel like was what I think he was beloved. And then there was the decision. And then that last press conference after JJ snatched his soul. Right. After J.J. Barreya literally snatched his soul. Took him.

Oh, that's your boys, too? Took them. You know, just as bad buddy, right? That fucking press conference, like, where he's being a dickhead. Clutch sports and UTA family. I remember because I was drunk. Yeah, you had to be hammered. But he was like, they were like, what do you say to your critics?

And he was like, you're poor and you're not LeBron James. Tomorrow you're going to wake up poor. And I'm just, and from the, like, I saw him be like a darling in the league. And then from the decision that a year later, I think like his reputation still has, kind of recovered. Yeah, I mean, you know, he's LeBron. He's LeBron. He's LeBron.

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. He's cool to me. Right, because he produces movies, and he's giving me cameos in a bunch of his movies. So that's my guy. What? Can you tell me about my goat a little bit? I know he was on your team.

My goat a little bit. Kobe, Kobe, Bede. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I had a great relationship with Kobe. Yeah. You know, we liked it if you were.

mean to him. Yeah, no, because I fucked him like I said they should amnesty him. And then there was like the anniversary, like 13 year anniversary of me saying that and him coming and torching the Mavs for 40-some points. Yeah, we had some fun. And then saying, yeah, and then saying amnesty that, you know. There's a Lakers Mavs game a couple of years ago where Luka was maybe a second year or third year. And he was just going possession for possession with LeBron in that fourth quarter. Do you remember that game? It was like a regular season game. I was like, I was just like, it was unbelievable. That's when you saw what Luca was called about.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's your, that's your, that's your, that's your, that's your, that's your, that's your, that's your favorite guy. Yeah. Cooper flag. No, I love Luca, Luca's my guy. How does I feel Cooper flag, some great, the domestic whites? Yeah. We let these Euros come over here and the domestic whites, be better at sports than us, and then, now the ride, Chet and Cooper Flag, it's Wakanda a little bit for us, no? It's representation. Right? When I'm like, I want, like, I want. I watched Austin Reeves on the Lakers, I'm like, if I played on a team with LeBron James, I would be busting my ass like this guy, right?

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And so you, you, like, developed into, like, you had to learn the cap and you had the CBA, all that stuff. All of it, yeah. Yeah. What do you think the worst trade was in NBA history? I don't know. Maybe there were a couple trades in February of 2025 that weren't that good, but I don't want to judge. Which one? Which one was a...

I think there was a deal with the Lakers, but I forget. No, I, it's... What did that do to you? Did you feel like you put 20 years into something? and then you were like, what the fuck has happened? Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, I remember exactly where I was.

I was talking to Governor Andy Beshear, speaking of governor. Of Kentucky. Of Kentucky. Yeah, literally I was at a health care event or at an event talking about health care. And there were like six or seven people, politicians and shit. And we were having a beer. And I got a text from our general manager. And he's like, hey, give me a call.

Nico, yeah. You hired him. I hired him. Do you regret it? Yeah, in hindsight now, it was a mistake, but whatever. But yeah, he was like, Mark called me, and I did. And when he told me about it, I thought he was asking me as opposed to telling me. He's like, no, it's done.

I'm like, what the fuck? And that was it. When you own a team, do you feel like there's like an extra kind of layer of responsibility? Because you have a responsibility kind of to a community, right? Yeah, for sure. Like, I would say it all the time. I didn't own the team. I just responsible for the bills and the fans own the.

team. Yeah, and like to some extent, like, I mean, it's not your fault. If something goes wrong, there's like a, I mean, God forbid that there's like a domestic violence. If somebody goes right, like then a guy from the eagle, like an Eagles fan will get to eat a piece of poo-poo. Right? Yeah, you know. You got to set your sides high. The community kind of depends on it. No, I mean, look, when you're winning, when you're going on a champ, like the Eagles or whatever, you're going on a championship run. And they love the whole city. The whole city's on fire. Yeah, yeah. And it's their favorite food. A poop house. So why did you decide to sell?

I mean, like it had to, you had 20 years, you had like. Yeah, 23 years. Yeah. You loved that shit. You were loving it more than any other owner. Yeah, but it got to the point where your kids had to have been like having so much fun. They were, they were having fun, but I was, you know, I don't want it to be a situation where they felt forced to follow my footsteps. You know, because I've seen other teams where the sun's, you know, because I've seen other teams where the sun's

takes over, you know, and kind of like it's just the expectation. Oh, your son is a problem? No, my son is cool. He loves basketball. He was pissed and shit. Yeah, but he would fuck up the team your son? No, he wouldn't fuck up the team. You're saying your son is worse than Nico Harrison? No, my son would run circles around Nico Harrison. My son knows the shit, right? Football even more than basketball. But, you know, it was just the point where it just wasn't as much fun anymore, you know, and I wanted to do this healthcare thing and that was starting to take off. And I don't want my kids to feel the pressure to follow my footsteps. And it was just like it was a constant battle.

And, you know, inside the NBA, it was all about valuations. Like when I first got started with David Stern and even when Adam took over, it was all about fans and making the league better and improving the experience. That's a global profile. Yeah, and all that stuff, too. They were smart. They were smarter and I wasn't that stuff. But then all of a sudden, you know, teams changed hands and all the meetings were about, you know,

valuations and not about improving the teams or improving the game itself. And I was just like, okay, I don't need this shit anymore. In like, do you feel like you sold at the top? No. No. No, I left money on the table. Yeah, because you're, it didn't feel like a Mark Cuban deal, right? Because I expected it's got like a similar valuation right after you sold, right?

Yeah, yeah. And it's like that's different markets. It's a smaller market. Yeah, for sure. No, I left money on the table. You know, financially it was not a good move for me or I made mistakes. And I did it that way because I expected. that I would continue to run the team, right?

Because, and that's just not what happened. What was your title after that, basketball operations? No, it was going to be in charge of basketball operations, but the league had these stipulations, and we couldn't get it into the contract, and I trusted the guy, and the guy didn't live up to what he shook hands on. Did he force you out, or the league forced you out? Basically, Nico forced you up, because he got...

The guy you hired? The guy I hired got the new guy... Yeah, right? Got the new guy to basically trust him and ignore me. Do you think Nico Harrison's done better with his role overseeing Trump's trade policy? You know, I noticed the similarities. Yeah, yeah. I think he had.

Is it the tariff thing, a Nico joint? You know what? I think you're right. Because, you know, tie it back, right? Nobody really gets this, but you were the first, right? Tennis shoes, manufactured over. I call them basketball shoes. Basketball shoes, sneakers, manufactured overseas.

Right. Right. Tariffs. Right. Right. Because Nike manufactured everything overseas, right? And it's not just... The Jews, of course.

You know? Right? And so, yeah, of course. There's a speculation that Miriam Ailsen wants to move the team to Tel Aviv. What do you think, what do you make of that? I don't see it. You don't think that? Yeah. Did it change your whole perspective on the whole what's going on over there thing at the train?

No, no. I actually like Miriam. Yeah. Miriam's cool. She's cool. We made agreement not to talk politics. Right, you and Miriam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here's a question, though. There is a speculation about the what's happening in Austin, lobbying for the gaming. It's a red state. It's the single biggest donor to the Republican Party, the Edelson's. Like, why have they been unsuccessful in Austin? I don't understand. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. Texas politics is a different beast. Well, they don't go to work.

They go to work like two months a year? Right, yeah, every two years. Every two years, they go to work. And so, yeah, it's just a different beast. And there's, you know, the people in charge have got to be able to bring the bill and all this stuff. I'm not into the Texas politics. I mean, Trump was literally like,

Miriam gives so much money, like she wanted the Golan Heights. I gave her the Golan Heights. And she got the goal on heights, but she couldn't get a casino in Dallas. You know, I mean, that shows you who has the power. Greg Abbott? Oh. No, but she doesn't. No, it doesn't.

It's a, like I said, even more power than the president. Do you think that there's like, like, why, what happened? Like, why was Luca offered one team? Like, do you think, like, do the people of Dallas, or do you, as a former owner, feel satisfied in an explanation? Like, do you feel like... No, no one was satisfied with the explanation. But why one team?

I'm a Laker fan, too, so you don't even have to... Right. Don't actually pull out of this one. Israel. No, but what, like... It made no sense to anybody. It made no sense, right? It was like, if you're going to trade them, okay, you can make an argument, you're going to trade them.

But at least get as much as Desmond Bain. I'm not here. Who is? Miriam? Mariam, right? bathroom repair guys there you see there's like literally a toilet i saw yeah so embarrassing i saw someone that used it that was the embarrassing part am i wrong right there wait let's go back to this right does it feel wait let's go back to this right is this i don't

i'm rich i'm jewish yeah nobody ever fucking invites me to that shit right yeah the trilateral commission i didn't get an email did you feel like a loser a little bit like not finding your name more than no jeff no that shit no but i'm just talking about the trilateral commission Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on. The protocols of the elders. Yes.

Like the real shit. Did you at least get an invite to one of the Sterling freakoffs? No. But... What was it like seeing that guy at the Board of Governors? It was different. And it wasn't the Board of Governors meeting. Or whatever.

He would have gatherings, like when they had the All-Star game there, whatever. Oh my God, it was kind of weird. I had Blake on the show, and I was like, he would, like... He would bring in, like, other, like, gargoyles to be like, these are the tremendous bodies of the beautiful boys on the team. Blake said he was in a towel and Sterling took his hand. He goes, my best player, hip, hip, hooray.

And he lifted his hand up. It doesn't surprise me. Yeah, yeah. Did you, you didn't go do anything like that? You didn't see the locker room? You didn't say, this is, this is Heshi Tesh. Heshi was a legend, though. Heshi was a legend.

Heshi was Hesci. Hesci never worked. You knew it was Heschi because he never worked. Look at the Andre Jordan. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, what was that guy like? Tell me a little bit.

DJ? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, Donald Sterling? D.S. D.S. Yeah. He was different. He looked like, like, Smeagle a little bit, no?

He was prototypical, that's for sure. Like, what did he say to, like, V, his girlfriend? Yeah. He's like, I don't want to see you with black guys. It was, it was sad. He was a racist? Yeah. I mean, and literally, like, I went to one thing.

I think that the NBA put on that he hosted, because it was always really uncomfortable. A white party? It was a white party. Yeah. Yeah. But it was NBA hosted. I think it was an all-star game or something. And it was always uncomfortable.

And he reminded me of my old Jewish grandfather. Oh, you think your grandfather was like that. Yeah. And so, you know. Cuban with an eye. Yeah. It was just like he was, my grandfather was a little bit racist, and he just reminded me of that. Yeah, but that's what a grandfather is, honestly.

Yeah. Fair play. Did you have a relationship with Jerry when you're in Dallas? Jerry Jones? Yeah. Yeah. I have a question. Like, did it, like, you're the owner of the team.

Did it feel like the, you know that clip, do you see the clip of Jerry talking about like, he's like five, he's like five foot nine, four, four, 40, 280 pounds, eight and a half inches hard? Did you, about one of his players? I missed that. I miss that one. There's a lot of measuring. As a in sports.

And you're the one bringing it up every single time. Not not penises. I mean, just guys' bodies. It's a little bit. Dude, you have to hire maybe a black guy to do the measuring. You don't want to be measuring as a white guy.

That's the owner. Do you need a job? The owner. I'm not saying the penises. I'm just saying like how high they can jump. Just a little bit, you don't want to do the measuring. You go back to it a lot.

Not the penis, dude. You got a nasty mind, dude. I had you know I had a Kevin on the show which Kevin you're Kevin O'Leary oh Kevin Kevin you know Shark Tank is real to him His what? I think Shark Tank is real for him I mean he's like and I can't stand when Barbara and Lori Tell the I was like I like when you yell at kids and he's like and Barbara and I can see their idea

It stinks like shit I can smell it from over here and Barbara and Lori are telling these little four-year-olds Oh, the great idea That's Kevin like it's real I like, it's real? It's not just TV? No, it's real, for sure. You left the show.

Yeah. You miss it. I miss the people. It was fun to shoot. He cried when you left. I saw it. He did. You guys did the cheers.

We did the cheer, yes. Thanks for watching. It was tender. It was a good moment. I mean, all the sharks got on great, and the crew and everybody, you know. And we had her shit eater too, and so we all celebrated them. Who, Barbara? No, not Barbara.

Oh, sorry. Staff. Yeah. Barbara's a beast. Barbara's a beast. Oh, my God. Like, the outtakes and shark tank? would be like the number one rated show because half the time if there's a good looking guy

comes in the pitch here's barbara's they're walking up i feel like barbara can just date like brazilian 22-year-olds both of them yeah i mean like not just one ory too no no no not just one like barbara wants them all like she's like i'm at that point of my life would just bring it hard baby bro oh barbara's a freak i love her to do it we were talking about this yesterday we were talking about this yesterday boys and I love her you know what when she how did we get this because we're like gonna ask about it we're like oh Barbara well you you know what happened her birthday party right no where she she had a birthday party we're like where's Barbara where's Barbara and everybody's like special surprise you

stipping no worse no worse than she's she's doing worse it's nice but but in a party with a hundred people but there's a casket oh and literally we all walk up and they say last rights and then Barbara gets out of the casket and the party starts. Was she wearing like a like a sexy outfit or something or like a bikini? Like a jumping out of a cake? No, no, no, no, no. Just regular.

We love Barbara. I love Barbara to death. She's the best. Tell me how did Damon go from a common street hustler to a fashion entrepreneur? I'm sorry. I've watched so much of that show because like I do stand up on the road and when you're in a hotel. It's just on CBC all day. I was a shark tank for like nine hours.

Go to the comedy club, go back. See Kevin yelling a child. I want to talk to you about your pharmaceutical. Cockpillus drugs. Yeah, yeah. One thing that I don't, listen, I'm not a fucking, I know nothing about business, right? I literally, I'm a psych, psych, whatever this is.

I don't know. Like, this is my business. And it's a good business. Your mom is proud. The business is good. The business is good. Okay. But is it true that Trump has his own Trump drugs company?

Yeah. Trump RX. Did he, any copied? Yeah. But his president. It does not as good. It does not measure up. What is your just?

So my company is called cost plus drugs.com. Okay. And what it is, it's a very transparent pharmacy. So when you go to costplusdrugs.com, you can put in the name. And unlike anywhere else, we'll show you our cost. You just mark it. up 15%, $5 for shipping, and you save a lot of money. Okay.

Right. And so we've saved millions of people a shit ton of money, and they thought it was a good idea. So they copied us, but we still work with them because I don't care. As long as people get cheap meds, I'm happy. Yeah. And so then Trump, now there's Trump drugs or whatever? Just Trump RX. Yeah, yeah.

You were kind of positioning yourself as kind of the anti-Trump billionaire for his second. Yeah, and it's just, you know, he is who he is. Now you're your best friends with him? No. No, I haven't talked to him. You went to the island, you made a deal? He said that they're 500% cheaper. A thousand.

But what does that mean? It means they're cheaper then. So you get like if a drug is $9, $9, well, sorry, if a drug is $100, then you get $900, back. Back. That's what makes Trump R.X so good. That's what makes him so good. That's why all this crypto deals. That's the art of the deal.

Art of the deal, right? You make all the money on crypto and then you give it back when you sell people drugs. From the Qatar or something. It's so white trash. It's Cutter. Cutter. The president shouldn't be making money off of being the president, right? Isn't that a rule somewhere?

As long as the big guy gets 10%, right? I mean, it's just crazy. You know? They would fuck with Biden, who maybe did, maybe he didn't, and then make all this money from crypto and everything else. Yeah. Would you see yourself getting involved in the politics? No.

No. I don't have the temperament for it. You don't have the temperament. Yeah, yeah. What if Kevin was running? Kevin did run in Canada in Canada. Yeah, he did run in Canada. And he ran on the child's

They ran about the door. Child hate party. I want to just like real quick like I know we have like five minutes but like I want to get to like the this year in the NBA there have been two major kind of stories break.

There's been the Balber story and the gambling story. I think gambling does kind of like naturally. It was something that Stern was kind of keeping away from the league. I guess the first question is like, does a David Stern NBA, do these scandals break like they have in a stern administration?

Yeah, shit changes around you no matter who you are. Really? Yeah, I don't think he could have stopped it. And I love David to death, you know? Yeah. You had a longstanding rivalry with the refs, right? And like, it is understood that like when Donahey, Donahey was going to turn state's witness and then go back in and then it was leaked to the post

that Donahey was with the mafia and then it kind of prohibited him from where you're wire with the rest of the reps like can you tell us like a little bit about like you know Stern kind of it seems like nipped that in the bud before he did right yeah I mean it seems like David Sir knew where the bodies were buried oh for sure and Adam Silver is more like a company man no no they're both the same they're both very very smart they were the murderers. No, they make more. The more of the league thrives, the more they get paid. But I think both of them, Dave and Adam, really truly want to see the NBA succeed.

And as much as they try to protect it, it's just, you're dealing with 20, you know, 450, 485, you know, 18 to 25 or 18 to 40-year-olds, right? you just get that many guys together, things are going to fuck up somewhere. Are the refs like just, is it bullshit? I think the refs try their hardest. I never had a problem with the reps per se. Who's the biggest dickhead? The dickheads are the ones that are the management of the rest.

What about Scott? Scott Foster? Yeah. I got along with Scott Foster. Right? I would give him shit, you know, and he would yell at me back or whatever. But I never really hate Chris Paul, right? Yeah, he definitely hates me.

We all do. Yeah, right. But the problem was always the people who managed them. They were the idiots. They had no clue what they were doing. They still don't know what they're doing. Hesiotesia was. Hesitishishish with shows.

So, like, I've watched your podcast with Pablo. I guess we'll close on this because we have two minutes. We can go a little bit later. Okay. Amazing. He's having the best time ever. It was plausible that. It's like Steve Ballmer is successful as he is.

It's kind of stupid to write a check for $10 to a company, and then they write a check for $10. bucks to Kauai Leonard, right? Like, drug dealers are better at, like, much better. Kind of washing money than that. But, like, there is an aspect of it is like if it walks like a duck

and it talks like a duck or whatever. Yeah, but if you know the NBA, see, that's what I would tell Pablo, right? If you've been through all the shit and how it works with... Glenn Taylor, of course, yeah. Yeah, yeah, with Joe Smith. Yeah.

But it's just, it didn't make any sense to me, that's all. And I've been in situations where I've invested in companies that turned out to be scams and I didn't know it. So I got that part. You know, and I've been in situations where I read somewhere you lost $590 million on Shark Tank. Is that true? No. Yeah, that's what I've read. The Wall Street Journal.

Yo, B-box beverages, though. Just my Shark Tank company bought a third of it for a million dollars. Just sold the Budweiser for 600 motherfucking million dollars. Let's give it up for that. B-box beverages. The box guys are good stuff. Sounds like a thing that an adult drinks, not a million. a child after a long day at school. Wait, can I ask you about, so let's go back to the Baltimore thing. I guess the league had to wait for All-Star to investigate it, right?

No, I'm sure they're investigating it now and have been. And it says something that it wasn't obvious because they haven't done anything yet. And even with Pablo, when he came out with new stuff, right, I mean, even he'll tell you there were no smoking guns. It was just, you know, you could, like you said, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck. He never did one endorsement anything. But they tried to use him for that stuff, right? But on the flip side, they never paid out the full contract that they promised him.

Yeah, but he got paid. Like the next highest endorsement was like $25. He's Kauai Leonard. Yeah, the least charismatic NBA superstar. No, he's so understated. I think it's hysterical. Have you seen that clip of him talking about Spongebob? No, I have not.

Oh my God, you got to see this, dude. Who's your biggest miss? Like, who did you miss on? Like, what player do you wish you got? Oh, there's so many of them. Like, Tyrese Maxi was a big miss for us recently. You know, Greek Freak was probably the biggest. Who, Stavros?

Yeah. You know that? Wow. Yeah, yeah, this is funny, dude. You got to see this. Splash Bob starting. Because he just wild. You think he's going to get it started for it.

Scooby Doo second. I need him to figure out what's going on. This guy's got entertainment chops. I don't care what anybody says. Peter's funny. When he retires, he's the next. He would trade Peter Griffin. When he retires, he's the next Blake Griffin.

No, I mean, we know, Ann, Ant is the, Ann is going to win an Academy Award. Ant was talking so much shit to me. I love Aunt. Do you see he was talking shit to Obama? Yeah, I know, which is great. What fuck are you? The president?

He was like, I would kill you. He was one-on-one I would fucking snatch your soul. That's what he said. Yeah, yeah. Was there ever a call for an investigation after the lucre trade? Like, did anyone... I don't know, because I was out of it. You're out.

Very convenient. Very convenient. Very convenient. Do you miss it? Yeah, sometimes I do. When we do stupid shit, like the lucre trade? You gotta get the fucking tea back from Israel. There's like, how long, bro.

I miss it. Because I think the fans have gotten let down. And I think because I kind of let them down. So that's what bothers me most. I mean, like, I was a little suspicious when they got AD. I love AD. But Chris Middleton, finally, they've made it right. They got someone better.

You know what? Sometimes you've got to go full circle. Jesus Christ, man. I love Chris, too. That was 23 years of your fucking work. Yeah. And then someone's time to move on. And then someone just fucking fucked it up.

Fucked it up immediately. But, you know, it was as much as I loved it and as much as I still love the Mavs and always be a Mazz fan, sometimes there's bigger things to do. So you don't care about the Mavs? No, I love the Mavs. You don't care about the City of Dallas. You just like the big ladies. That's it. Biggly.

What is, okay, I'm going to ask you about a quiz of what these companies do. What's Clima? Klima. Klima. Oh, that's an old crypto thing. Yeah. What do they do? They do the same thing.

thing his aspiration does. Yeah, they do carbon credits. For real, they do carbon credits. What is Yendo? Yendo, unless you borrow money against a car. A yen? Against a car. So, like, if you have no credit and you've got, like, $2,000 in equity and a beater

that you've had and you need $500 to pay the rent, they'll loan you the money on it. On your payday, perhaps? Maybe, whenever it is. What's Mula? Mula. So that's women's basketball sneakers. They're badass basketball sneakers. Yeah.

Moolah kicks.com. Check them out. Moola kicks for girls basketball. What's foam party hats? Oh, they just got sold. Yeah, you got some things. Yeah, yeah. Do you ever forget that you have an investment in something?

Oh, yeah, because if you go to markcubin.com, I list them all. And so I'm like, is this one of my companies? I send an email today to somebody. Like, is this one of ours? Are we still in this thing? So like, there's some, like, what was that one company? Yeah, and I don't know. One of your companies is a swimming pool in a truck?

No, that guy. I did it because he was in the Air Force flying jets. And so I thought it was a fun idea. And I like the idea of being in a truck, right, drinking a couple beers in my swimming pool and my truck bed. But that company kind of got put on hold. And we're looking at having one of the guys who worked for us, his brother, take it over. There is like a souring attitude nationally. Like it was always kind of like a lefty, calmy thing to be like the corporation.

But like I think post-COVID, like now people on the right are like fuck the corporations, right? Everybody fuck the corporations. There's a souring attitude today nationally. And you think, like, does, is that felt amongst, you know, people that are in the business world? Like, is that like- Yeah, if you're smart. Yeah. Right?

Because you're starting to see people rebel against the disparity in wealth, the wealth gap, right? And if people are, the worst thing possible for business is when people are rioting or, you know, civil disobedience, whatever it may be to keep people from going into your store or doing business with you. People pay attention now. They didn't necessarily pay attention before. But, you know, if you're not, if you don't show some compassion as a capitalist, it's going to backfire on you. You don't have enough money to buy crap that you don't need also. Right. No, I mean, you got to pay the bills.

Like a phone party. It's not easy. To which? How big are these foam party hats? They're really fucking big, right? Was Barbara wearing one in the casket? Yes. Yes, it wouldn't fit.

No, they were like literally these big foam hats that were pretty funny. If I ever get to a place like in life where I need to get a group together to maybe buy like a third division soccer team in England, Sam, I mean it may as well have. The dream?

The dream? And then do that thing that like Van Wilder did. Yeah, Rexim? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Would you like, could I talk to you about it for sure? Yeah. I mean, actually, it would be a bad idea if you went over there, right?

No, no, I have to be here at my Jewish long-form YouTube style. Oh, that fucks it up. No, I'm going to go over there. I'm going to be in the owner's box. I'm going to fucking taking shots with the guys in the village that eat like the disgusting food. I'm having a sign yet tonight. I get offered teams like that all the time. You can do it just like, you know.

How much was one of those things? I mean, a couple million dollars on the lower levels and then you work your levels and then you work your way nothing to us nothing a rounding air just let me just loon let me please get on your knees you're not Kevin right here that was a blast thank you that was so much fun yeah that was so much