The Adam Friedland Show (Cumtown) - Messi Ronaldo and the 1930 World Cup Riots | The Beautiful Pod

Episode Date: June 27, 2026

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Hey guys, welcome to the beautiful pot. I'm Adam Friedland. We got a really big episode today, XXL size. First off, I'm going to be joined by Muso Oconguay from Sadio podcast, one of the best football podcast, really smart guy, author, genius. We're going to be talking Messi, Ronaldo, and Mbap, kind of the three protagonists of football, two of them for the last 20 years, and see kind of track where they're at right now in this World Cup and how those storylines relate to one another. And also I'm going to be joined by Elliot Smith and Clive Palmer from Arsenal Vision podcast, my two buddies. If you don't like Arsenal, we don't talk about Arsenal, okay? And you people, you think you're bad. We won. Just be nice to us for, like, the summer, okay?

Yeah, okay, fine. Ah, no, I'm joined by Elliot Smith and Clive Palmer. They're two of my friends. We're going to talk about England, Brazil, and the United States, head of the knockout stages, kind of a conversation. about is tactical football are we hipsters and we just thought tactical football was going to be a bigger deal after one and a half games with coach by potchino I'm sorry the main subject we discuss is is tactical football gonna be as much of a factor as we convinced ourselves that gaslit ourselves into thinking after one and a half USA matches and basically

the third quarter of the opening England match that's right quarter you're in America But guys, before I start, I want to just say something. It's a sincere thing. South Africa qualified for the round of 32. And my parents come from there. My parents left in the early 80s. My dad was called it to Angola, blah, blah, blah. I lived there for a bit when I was a kid.

It is a country, yes. It's a country that has really great people in it. It also has a lot of problems. and one thing that is, I've noticed, like, in my lifetime, is the one thing that makes people feel better is sports. And they were left for dead after the Mexico match, the opening match. People are saying there's the worst team in the cup. They eeked out a 1-1 against Chequia,

and they kind of shocked the world. They beat South Korea. It's like, it is the one thing, sports is awesome. Right? Politics sucks. I read a thread on Twitter as someone said, can you be a leftist and root for team US? Shut up.

The game is on, right? And that's one thing that's like, it crosses community, it crosses socioeconomic groups like sports, just makes people feel better and brings people together. And I've seen that in South Africa. In 95, I don't know if you guys have seen the film Invictus, directed by Clint Eastwood, the John Ford of American Cinema.

I guess John Ford is the John Ford of American. That's a stupid thing I'd say. Anyway, yeah, the 95 World Cup, rugby World Cup, was hosted by South Africa. And the country right after apartheid ended. Nelson Mandela was elected as president, and the country was very divided, obviously, after apartheid. And rugby was like a symbol of the apartheid

regime of the Afrikaner's excellence or whatever. They loved it. They're big boys, some of those boys. And Derry encouraged the country to get behind the team, so it's our team. But similarly, you might not know this, 96 in the African Cup of Nations, the South African National Team, the Bufana, Bufana, the football team, they won the African Cup of Nations 96 after being banned for the apartheid for decades. And from what a lot of people say,

had it not been for those two sports tournaments, the country would have fallen apart. And it was at a very pivotal time where they were getting out of one of their worst periods in history that we've seen. And I think it's just awesome. And it's just, it makes me so happy. And I just know that, yeah, I call my dad,

And yeah, just fucking this was great about the World Cup. So I just wanted to say that. You cut all this. The Beautiful Pod is brought to you by Fandul. This summer, America's number one sportsbook is making it easier than ever to get in on the action across all your favorite sports. I think you've got today's home run hitter picked. Check out Fandul's HR props, including moon shots and lasers for a chance at even bigger

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on football that you can listen to. Please check it out with Ryan Hunt, who I had a lovely time meeting at the Emirates. The geyser, Ryan. He saw me smoking a cigarette. He said, I haven't had one in years, but for some reason, I want to have one right now. And I was like, that makes me feel so nice that I can corrupt you. Now he's in rehab for Sigs. Now he's torn his family apart. I'm terribly sorry. If Ryan's family, I'm sorry. It was all his decision. I told him not to. Moose, how are you doing? How are you enjoying the cup so far? thanks. You know what? It's a vibe. It's an absolute vibe. We go through this process. Every time we say, we say, it's going to be crap. You know, we see the politics around it. We hear about

all the problems and then it starts and we see the whistle and then we're like locked in pretty much immediately. Yeah. I think like this in terms of stories in the first round, it's as good as any I can remember in recent memory. Obviously, Curacao, the big story and Cabo Verde. But in terms of the big guns, like we're here to talk about the big guns today. We're talking about, you know, Ronaldo, Christiana Ronaldo and Messi and Kilimanbape, you know, in the chasing pack, in the Peloton of Greats. As you were saying before we were getting on the conversation, this is the culmination of one of the great stories, right? Yes. Christiana Ronaldo and Leo Messi, Leonardo Messi, arguably their fate so intertwined more than any

other great duo and major sport. And at this World Cup, it feels like Messi is no longer seeking anything? He's seeking but he doesn't want for anything. And Cristiano both seeks something and wants something. Yeah. We've been speaking about it. It is, I watch some of these goals at Messi scoring and I'm like,

I have been so lucky for the last two decades of my life. It has been an honor and a privilege to walk the earth with this gentleman. We shared a planet with him. And so, but narratively speaking, these two men, at least in the way that we speak about them, have always been intertwined. And then

we see the gentleman that's been referred to as an heir apparent as the heir apparent potentially, I believe. That is now 27. So I kind of want to get a status report from you and kind of discuss where these two stories are and then kind of by extension where the third story is. Because to me, and we could preview getting to Mbap, Mbap later, this is someone that won the French League as an 18-year-old with Monaco and the World Cup at 19. which is like an accomplishment that is just, we didn't know where it could go. And now we're seeing, he's won a couple of legal titles, of course. But we've kind of seen,

and of course the last final for Mbapé was just one of the most brilliant individual performances we've seen in probably the best World Cup final we've ever seen. Trying to figure out where he's at right now is kind of confounding. So, but I want to start with Lionel Andres Messi. It's a Messi we've never seen before. and I think you and I were talking about it. And I think it provides a lot of context of what the pressures he was under throughout his entire career. Four years ago, we saw him win football and now we're seeing the effect of that afterwards.

What do you make of where he is in his story right now? Right. So here's the thing. The first thing with Messi is interesting because for years, it was said that he didn't have the passion to play for Argentina, right? He didn't care enough of the national team. This guy's played over 200 times for his country, right? So actually, if you think about how much else messy had going on a club level, this is someone who like never shirked responsibility.

And yet it was always questioned. Everyone was like, can you follow Maradona? Do you want to follow Maradona? And that is a level of pressure. Like it's one thing being the guy, but it's even harder in sport to be the guy that follows the guy in men's sport. It's even hard to be the person following the person. So following in the footsteps of that number 10.

And he did it, right? He did it. He did. You can look at what LeBron James has had to do, chasing Jordan, but Messi did that on a global scale. It has arguably never been hard to do what Messi's done. And we're seeing now the effects of the liberation. We began to see it during the last World Cup when Messi, who had previously been fairly quiet,

started just going at people in the media, like in a way he hadn't done before, not through proxies, but face-to-face. The way that he's playing now, there was a moment actually when he scored the second goal the other day. against Austria. Yeah. And you saw like the smiles and the liberation and the pressure being lifted.

And I'm like, oh my God, like we haven't seen him like this before. So that's kind of, that is kind of frightening for his opposition because at this point, he kind of has nothing to lose. If Argentina go home in the next two rounds, yeah, it's a disappointment. But they're still world champions, right? So he's done it. And that's a frightening proposition, a genius with nothing to lose. I think also if you look at the, his story, which is that he left at 13.

he got a lot of shit back home for leaving. And what he effectively needed was Madison. You know, like he went to Lema-Sia at 13. Newells blocked him from playing for a year. And his mother and siblings had to go back to Argentina. He was homesick as a young child. And that is kind of a central trauma that I think has driven him. And also have a pituitary leg deficiency and being the smallest kid.

And, you know, being alone and missing your grandparents and your family. And he still owns the home in Rosario that his grandparents. No way. Yeah. I think Messi wanted to go home. And I think he was, in my opinion, it was one of the most just unfair things we've watched. It's treatment by Argentina, continuously telling him that he was a disappointment. He was finally allowed to go back to Rosario, basically, metaphorically.

And I think what we saw, obviously we don't know these people. Messi and Ronald are the two most famous people in the world. arguably, right? And we don't know them, yeah. We don't know that. So we always painted Messi as this weirdo alien. And what we're seeing is this relaxed messy. What I'm seeing is in the press conferences where he's like, fuck, I just played 90 minutes.

I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted, yeah. We've never seen him talk that way before. We've always seen him like just really just give the media trained responses, kind of look away into the distance. But the reason he was doing that wasn't because of any type of like pop psychological diagnosis. that we wanted to give him. It was because he was under this tremendous pressure of being unable to go home, right?

So guarded, so guarded, yeah, in all context. Right now, his father is apparently in poor health. And I think what we're seeing him, the first goal in the second match, the one that's like, are we at the Canva do? I mean, it was, it was Barcelona, it was vintage Barcelona, but he's free to just do the thing he loves,

the thing he loves was just playing ball. Yeah, to the highest level. With his friends, crucially, like, Rodriguez de Pal, there's like a running meme on the internet about how Rodrigo de Pal is always next to like this. His bodyguard. Yeah.

When he walks out, but, you know, also like an outstanding footballer. There is something about the supporting cast. I was watching some Michael Jordan stuff just before this. And Michael Jordan's relationship with Luke Longley and how he was really hard on that guy. But he said, if I had to do the title run again, I would always have Luke Longley in my team.

and if you look at what Michael Jordan had in that last run, the three Pete with the Bulls, he had warriors. And this Argentina team, there's something that Messi didn't have at certain points. They're absolute warriors he can count with them. From the back to the front, Emmy Martinez literally up to Lao Taro, who misses some chances, but is always there as a support strike if you need him. And the pressure of being Leo Messi or Lionel Messi crushes most players. And you can see this because I look at Leone Messy's career.

A bit like, it's like somebody like going up to the scene of, you know, like, when War of the Worlds, one of these movies, the aliens have attacked, and you're going to fight the aliens. And on your way to fight the aliens, there's basically like trails of wreckage. And part of the wreckage are people who basically went over that hill 10 minutes before you did. And I feel like Messi is like that, like trying to fall on the footstice of Maradonna, the burnt out shirts, carcasses of footballers who tried to be the next Maradonna and it couldn't handle the pressure. And Messi grew up with that.

Messy grew up with a whole generation of footballers who were meant to be the next great 10 and they couldn't do it. And they folded under that pressure. It's because it is too much. How do you follow the greatest football of all time? The only way to do it is you either get crushed by become even better.

Yeah. And that's the thing is like what we saw was like the fact that he was small. He has this close control. It's a matter of the touches that he takes. That is an advantage. It's not because it's a low. He had no margin for error.

He had no physical advantages other than a spectacular technique. And this is the crucially matter. Concept of space. Yeah, exactly. The anticipation, the vision. That's all he had. Right. That's all he had.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When he's looking left to right, left to right, left to right, what he's doing is he's creating a map of the entire pitch in his, in his, in mind. He's also doing this thing right now. Have you seen where he's tracking the referee? Because he's like, I'm going to find space there.

Just watch him like, have you not seen, have you not seen a game in La Liga way. No, no, it's hilarious. It's hilarious. It's in La L' night league. where the ref is there and he uses the ref as a screen to get past the player. She plays it past the guy

and the guy's running after him and the ref is acting as a blocker. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess just connecting it to these are the two things, like his inability to go home and also just like his physical limitations

were the two things that actually at the end of the day drove him to win a World Cup and are the thing that when you notice he's made his first move, he's on his third move already. Like it's because of the way his body is constructed and like uh and his the way that his mind is just uh you can argue the message

gone full circle you can argue you can argue the message's gone full circle so he began his career without the physical attributes that would elevate him to his peak and as his physical sense declines he's the teenager again he's not relying on the burst of acceleration so often he's not relying on the physical power so he's still quite strong he's basically back in that kind of primal state where it's back to vision again so if you see the goal that he scores the pitch is very very congested against Austria when he gets it. He spreads the play. He opens it up and all of a sudden this Austria defense who are used to defending narrow all of a sudden have to defend loads of space and lose their minds. Where does Messi do? He just trots the edge of the box and he's in like so

much space. Everyone could say like why not Mark Messi but it's so much easier to have been done. Yeah. Like it's like that scene and you know the dark night when the Joker robs the bank and it's like stop the Joker well you can't because he's deployed everyone as a decoy and that's what Messi does in that I mean, Messy just... They keep shooting each other. Exactly. And a bus crashes through the wall. Messies the bus crash.

Yeah, yeah. Quite literally. Yeah. So in comparison to Ronaldo, we're seeing... It is just... It is the most fascinating thing I've ever seen because we're seeing these two stories that have always been intertwined

in completely different places. And what... You made a good point to me when we were speaking earlier is... And this also applies with the Messi Maradona thing. Maradona came from the slums, right? And Messi was relatively middle class. I think Argentina had a financial crisis while he was a kid,

and that's related to why he had to go to Catalonia. But, like, Rinaldo also came from extreme poverty. What drove him was the fact that, like, he thought that he could bring his family back together and he could inspire his father and his brother to stop his family. killing themselves with drugs. And Christiano Ronaldo was like, if I get good enough at sports, like maybe they'll see me, right?

And in the sense of like Messi wanting to go home, Rinalda never had a home, I think. And I think that that's, that Messi's been able to return home. I think we're still seeing Rinaldo somewhat lost. I think, well, I think, I mean, I always, in fairness to Cristana Rano, of whom I've been critical,

I think, and also in fairness to Portuguese people, I think he's always had community. I think the love that Christiana Ronaldo has had from Portugal is great in the love that Messi had at periods from Argentina. Oh, my God. One thousand percent. I mean, he was a god in one place and he was a pariah in the other place. Well, you say, yeah, right.

So I think there were times and I think that Barcelona was a sanctuary from the pressures of Argentina. I think Cristiano Ronaldo, there was a lot more love there because of where he elevated Portugal to since the 1960s in terms of football, right? So he took them back to the mountaintop. So I think that any criticism of Ronaldo from Portuguese corners has to be seen in the context of, yeah, ultimately we criticize this guy now,

but he's the reason why we're back on the map to this extent. And I think actually that is why his fans and why his teammates are more charitable towards him than maybe some of us have been in terms of some of his performances at this tournament. 100%. Everyone who plays with him says that he's a good guy, right? Like, for the most part, they say he jeezed me up. Like he supports people when they need to write.

to the occasion. It's not a matter of teammates. I think what we're seeing is the tragedy of this situation, one of the central tragedies is that Messi's framework for view in the world is Argentina and Maradona. I think Rinaldo's framework for his career is this

rivalry with Messi. And I think that is something that is a major incongruity. And Rinaldo, I think, questions, well, clearly he's obsessed with me too. Clearly, he's looking back at me. Does he care about me? why doesn't he care about me?

Why is it? I don't think he doesn't care. Well, it's motivated him to be so good. Messi's deeply competitive. And I do think he cares about this, but he doesn't care about it to the same extent. And that, I think, is the problem. That is painful.

Like, if you're not chasing... Mara don't know. Like, Messi is chasing other things, right? That World Cup, desperate to win it. Desperate to be, I think, in that conversation and to have like this kind of pressure on his back. the tragedy for Christiana Ronaldo, I think, is that in any other period of time,

he'd be the undisputed best player in the world. In any other, and that guy, that guy, like it's like being a marathon runner and you break the two-hour mark and there's a guy who's running it in 140. That's what it's like. You're like, oh my goodness, there's no one that can be quicker than me. And then you hear the crowd going wild and then you realize there's someone ahead of you up ahead, like out of sight, out of sight around the bend.

Because of this problem, at the moment, I feel like Messi is out of sight in the most intangible way, right? And it's not the medals, whatever, which is what I think Cristina Ronaldo would rather it was about. It's about the way they talk about Messi. That's the thing. There's one thing about beyond trophies, the thing that makes you truly great is when you elevate the status of myths slash legend to the point where, put it this way. I mean, I would say this. If aliens were passing by the solar system, they would watch Messi.

They would just tune in and be like, oh, like, I'll check that out. But because... No, they'd be like, where have you been? Where have you been? Yeah. Can I say this? The tragedy of Cristiano Ronaldo is this, right? Kristenna Ronaldo does everything I've seen before in football

to the highest level possible. Every technique, every touch, every skill, everything. Leo Messi does things I've never seen before. That's the difference. Like, he invents the game. Everything that Chris Delano has done in football and God knows, I mean, I've seen many great moments. It's football performance.

to the highest level, what Messi has done is things I did not know were possible within football. It's Kade. It's like where's the guitar? Where's the drums? Well, you know, so I bought Kidae is a good example because when I bought Kada, I was a huge Rutan fan as I still am, and I bought it and I took it back because I didn't understand it.

And then I bought it again two weeks later and I said, you know what, maybe it's just something I'm not processing. You want to hear it. It blew my tiny mind. Yeah, I remember. It reconfigured my brain. I had to say, yeah, I was like, where's the guitar, where's the drums? What's going on right now? I thought this was rock. Yeah, yeah. It really just re-

contextualizes the way you see football. And that's what it ruined. And it ruined music for me for a couple of years because then I was like, oh, why is no one else making stuff? Yeah. You know, genuinely, like that's the tragedy is that Christiano, if he his context for the way

he views his career is this other gentleman, Messi was playing contemporarily with him. And And Messi's context is this ghost of Maradonna. Quite literally, Maradonna passes away in 2020. Messi wins his first Copa in 2021. You know?

Like, I don't think people make that connection very often. And I think that, but I think Rinaldo feels like this guy that he sees at the ball and door. You know, Messi's a shy person. Messi describes himself as weird. He thinks he's weird. Like, if you met Messi, he'd be like, I'm weird. I'm kind of quiet. I'm shy and like, I'm short.

I'm like I really like I'm really good at sports I bang it I have to go to my job and just bang it in but like it's I think I think I don't think he's weird and I don't think Kaua Lender is weird well he describes himself as weird yeah I think he's I think athletes do that to let get you to leave him alone because if you think of the type of people look at like his look who he surrounds himself with

those dudes are not weird like his closest mates look at like Rodrigo de Pau in the Argentin team that dude is like out there like that's a bro. I think Messy's actually low-key quite a bro but he goes with the kind of yeah I'm just there

with my lab coat. This guy was hanging out with Ronaldino so much they had to sell him because they were worried who was gonna get their display by the night how did he not get in trouble

he's 18 years old and like That's what I'm saying Yeah A weird dude doesn't A weird dude is like He definitely went to the club Why didn't we ever find out

about the club Yeah He's Barcelona You never find out about the club It's football It's like But it's Ronaldino Other people tell us

About the club With him I just want to know about him taking the 17-year-old and be like, listen, I'm about to show you some crazy shit. Yeah, they were like, none of that. They were like, no more. Welcome to Barzlin. Yeah, you have to sell Rodont Dino.

But he was his first friend, too, on the first team. Anyway, just going back to it, I think in the same way that his challenges, messy challenges, one thing that frustrates me is, Ronaldo has this need where he's like, means peers Morgan to tell him he's the best player ever. You know, like, it's just like, if he just said, fuck, he's like, I'm fucking, I'm good.

You guys all know that. but like it sucks. I'm playing at the same time as this freaking freak. Yeah, not even in a playful way. He's like, this sucks. I think we would all just be like, you're right, dude. Like, this is a good guy.

I think we would feel for Ronaldo. I think he has this need for affirmation, which is like clearly like something that he doubts within himself. And it's just a waste of his time. What hurts us about Ronaldo is seeing his insecurity. Because we want him to just be Ronaldo. We want him to just be really good. it ball. It's a matter of him making peace. It needs to be said, though, that this is the first time

that he has played in the United States, you know, since 2014. Is that correct? And then, and it's because of the sexual assault accusation that was settled out of court. And, you know, last year was the first time that he returned to the States. And he went to a black type function with Donald Trump at the White House and Mohammed bin Solomon. And, you know, I think that men, Messi thinks the president is probably Joanne Laporte. Like, I think, like, you know, no,

no, I think, Messi is like, I think Messi is extremely smart, extremely smart. That's why he doesn't let on. Yeah, he didn't have to go to the White House. He didn't have to do that.

Like, there's American sports themes that swerved that. Like, he didn't have to be there. And he went, like, I think. I think that he was ensuring that he could play in the next World Cup. And I think that he, Infantino you're going to

I think Infantino you're going to turn over that little violent conduct situation I have in the bear you know that's way Messi has messy has so much sway culturally he's one of the few cultural figures

that can say no to limitation from some like Donald Trump and it not affect him at all like he's so powerful like that's the dude that gets a good point hope so I think Messi Messi does what he wants

and I think the characterization of the two of them is I think a little misaline in terms of Messi's not he's not a sound He's not. He's just the best footballer. Most of us are ever likely to see. I don't think there'll be a footballer better than Neo Messi in my lifetime. I cannot see it, right? But I don't think that the reason why I refrained from assessing him on a social level is I just don't know the guy. And I think that I think he plays into the weird stuff. I think he plays into it. Look, from Ronaldo's part, I cannot vouch Ronaldo as a human being. And frankly, thank goodness is all I can say to that. As a footballer, what he should. should have done in my opinion, and this is not my business because I'm not his PR guy, but still, since we started the conversation,

the guy should have just quit some type of football, whether it was professional football, whether it was international football, and actually just like built an alliance with mess. He should have reached out. Should have gone to Argentina and hung out in some of the spots and be like, Leo, do you want to get dinner? He literally married an Argentinian. He should have gone and done the photo ops because he didn't want to do that because that was about conceding power, right?

And a lot of these big athletes, their egos, some of them can't let the chase go. Correct. Some of them cannot let it go. I mean, Michael Jordan has long since retired, he can't let the chase go. But watching the last dance, Michael Jordan still thinks he's playing basketball. Yeah. He still thinks he's playing basketball. He talks about his teammates as if they're about to suit up and he's going to destroy them in the gym.

So this inability to let go, I think is the great tragedy, actually. There was a year of Paul Simon won the best album at the Grammys. he was like, I just want to thank Stevie Wonder for not making an album this year, right? Yeah, yeah, totally. If you just put it that way, it'd be awesome. He should have been like Roger Federer is. Yeah.

After he's retired, keep going to like Novak Djokovic's matches, turning up, having vibes because ultimately like, Jochkovich doesn't get that good without Federer. Messi doesn't get that good without Ronaldo. So actually just embrace it. Yeah, just be like, bro, like, it's, like, yeah, I wouldn't have almost a thousand goals if it wasn't for this guy's

it's bugs the shit out of me. I think when you've been locked in that long, my God, you have to have to run now. I think when you've been locked in that long, it's hard to let go of it, man. It's hard to give up the ring of power.

It's hard to give it up. Bringing it back to the era parent. And I think that's, that is a brilliant point. Because I, and especially, I don't know about with Jordan, but like, especially you were saying, like, when you start in,

when you come from extreme poverty, you kind of, you can't fully, get out, right, in a lot of ways in your mind. And I think that that is another central difference we see is that there is this insecurity about class that we can read in Christiana Ronaldo. We're seeing Ronaldo kind of maybe have an adverse effect. He is the best fucking midfield in the world behind him right now.

Like I would say in the World Cup right now. I think so, I think so. I mean, it's a joke actually of a midfield when you read those three days. Maybe Spain, maybe Spain, but yeah, overall. Spain's depth, I think, is, they have the deep. Spain is the depth. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. What I would say is that at times we're seeing that he's having an adverse effect on a very good team around him. Whether or not we're putting too much into that that is to be seen. That's how I view it. I think Messi, everything he touches artistically is elevated. I think he makes Pep the best manager of all time. He makes that midfield behind him is the best midfield of all time. he literally fucking goes to a while.

How did they know the baby was in Bob? How did they know? Literally, how did they know? Everything he touches is blessed, right? And at least in a footballing sense, Rinaldo sometimes does not have that effect a lot of the time around him. And it's because of,

we can speculate psychologically in a million different ways, but in a practical sense, that's what we see. I watch Dembele in this tournament, and I know he scored a really nice. school and I watch I I watch the French national team and I I see first of all I see a roster with eight fucking snipers just just eight assassins and I saw that I was talking to you

before like the the last World Cup squad was was for France in four years ago was very open and we saw a six goal final and to shop completely he's like we're going out letico in the euros right when I looked at this roster prior to the World Cup, I'm like, wow, they're going to have 10 goals game. They're just like, how are they not going to have 10 goals game? And what I'm seeing is, is kind of it not translating on the pitch. And because you see him the most, because he's the most dynamic player, because he's the best player in the world, probably.

You see I Mbapé kind of have, and because he leaves a PSG and they win the, the Champions League two years ago, which is actually fucking crazy. And because his last real trophy that he's had is eight years ago in the World Cup, when he was 19, when he was fucking killing people, too.

It wasn't 19 on the, he wasn't Theo Walcott at 15 in the world. You know, like he was a, that was him and Pagma. And, you know, like, he won the World Cup. There's something weird going on. There's something we're going on with,

there's something strange, yeah. We haven't seen a genius. we haven't seen a world great spend this long in the waiting room before. What I mean by that is where he was winning that World Cup, on that run with Monaco, all of that, like he was primed to go, someone say fast forward from that moment

he won in 2018 and say, how many Ball and Doors he got? You'd be like oh two or three. Like if you froze football when he scored the fourth goal. Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. Like within 50, you'd be within 50. Like if you froze them, If you froze football the moment when he scored that fourth goal in 2018,

it gets Croatia in the finals, the four one up, and say, how many Ballando will he have eight years from now? You'd be like two or three. He's 19. And he has it right. Totally. He's 19. Like, what he was on pace to achieve,

he was on pace to exceed so many things. And he hasn't done it quite a club level because for various reasons, I would argue primarily because of the clubs he's chosen, because I think Lewis and Riquet wanted to keep him. And I think if it had that, Lewis and Rican had arrived at PSG, three years earlier and Abapé was a bit more coachable

I think it's a different story now. Now where Abapé operates now and this is, you know, again, I'm very critical of Délishan, but I will say this. This man has won two World Cups, one as a player, one as a manager and he won them both by building from the back

from a defensive standpoint, defensive crouch. That is what worked in 98. That is what worked in 2018, right? He got a bit loose in 2022 because he had to, took off Dembele and Jury at half time, but fundamentally, DeSchamp can say, look, being risk averse is what ultimately is most likely to win me things. And he's right. That's his track record. What he has to do.

The roster doesn't match that, would you say? He has to set his midfield free. At some point, this tournament, someone like Zaya Emery has to be allowed to cook. I don't understand why they're not using him. Why is the belly playing tent? Listen, the greatest managers in football are gamblers, right? Deschomp gambled in the last one. work out vinyl taking off Jura and Dembley at half time.

He gambled and it was an incredible shout and it worked. It worked in the end. It liberated all the right players. He has to gamble again. Because if you look at someone like Lewis Enrique, one of football's great gamblers, if he was coaching this France national team, I'm pretty sure Zai Emory would be starting. Yeah. I'm pretty sure that midfield would have a different composition.

I'm not sure exactly what, but he would find a way. I think Lewis Enrique has the genius to defend and attack with equal intensity. Yeah. And I think, Deschop hasn't got that. I guess he got that. There's a third name there, which is Zizu. I mean, like, I think if Zizu is coaching this team, could he convince Messi to play nine?

I mean, because the team would work that way, right? Of course he could. Sorry, Messi, Mbapapé, sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, could he, well, quite frankly, Pep was like play fucking nine. Your winger and just go, just go in the middle, you know? And is, you know, I do think that in this team,

you see someone that's best friends with the president and he's whatever he's your he's bigger than the club he's bigger than the national team right now kind of put it this way yeah it's so funny he scores his goals from a nine position he scores them from a nine like this is the thing

the actual runs that he meets look it's psychological I think at a certain point can they get on re to call him or something just say I did it I don't think I went for the left to I think I think Zadan has the grab a test Ancelotti had it And Trotty had him playing as a nine.

It was fine, actually. Like, I think these things, this can work. Yeah. It will work for France. Look, I still haven't been moving through the gears. They're terrifying. He's terrifying.

And I think that Mbapha has realized that his path to greatness to be in that top 10 conversation, it might have to come primarily at a country level. So I think for him, a second World Cup becomes exceptionally important, actually. Correct. If you want to look at Messi winning

football in the last World Cup. Like just like closing the closing the books on you know all the ghosts. This is what we see is a this was a youth phenom at Claire Fontaine. Yeah. Mbapé was a was a grown man by the time

he was 12 and he won football at 19. And then connecting it back to Ronaldo. Ronaldo seems like a person that's terrified of doing, he's terrified of what happens after he doesn't he stops doing the one thing he's done his whole life. which is playing ball.

I don't know because he's involved in all these, he's like a Kevin Durant figure where he's involved in all these different businesses, ventures. Oh, come on. It's not ball. It's not ball. You think business is as cool as the World Cup?

Of course not. But at the same time, I feel like Christiana Ronaldo has a much bigger hinterland than a Michael Jordan who always felt like someone who wanted to get in the gym and try and drop 50 on the brunt. I feel that is much more a,

I feel like the only reason Ronaldo is still playing footballers because Messi is still there setting new records. I think that's true. And I think if Messi bounced, Ronaldo would have bounce. Yeah. Because I think in his heart I think if he wasn't a footballer, he would have made a lot of money. He's the type of dude that would have made a lot of money somehow, actually. I think he's just one of those people that would have found something to apply himself to and just made some money somehow. He would have been like, he would have been a merchant or something. I

genuinely think he's that kind of, I think he has more strings to his bow than just a pure football obsessive. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, at the same time, you've got The thing that, like, connected back to his family story. Like, it is the thing that he used to be seen. Yeah, yeah. It's the thing. Football was the way that he thought that his father would see him. He was like, please come to you and you like, Dad, I, I, uh, I, you want to come see me

at Old Trafford? I play for Sir Alex Ferguson. You know the theater of dreams and he's like, ah, God, I'm, I, you're, I'd rather hang out with your brother, do drugs, you know, in the house you bought us. I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know if they have the channel of your game, but we'll try and find it. I won't be surprised if he ended up doing something political. Oh, no.

We got to stop that. I'm not sure about that. But I'm saying that for him, it's about like making money and being seen. Yeah. I don't think that when he leaves football, this will be the last that we see of him. Oh, my God. If he just cared about football, he wouldn't be going to the White House. He wouldn't be hang out with those people.

He would just be nerdy, geeky, like, oh, numbers. Well, he's named after Ronald Reagan, you know that. Yeah, absolutely. He might, his project is probably Reaganite as well. Yeah. But look, even going to Saudi in this like global statesperson thing, statesman thing, this guy is like, I don't think that football is the last we're going to see it, this guy. Yeah. I don't think that's it.

For good or ill. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's the end of the word. You really just scared me. I know that's your boy. I know that, but that's terrifying. It's not my voice. Also, I mean, like, so, but yeah, I think if we connect it, like, um, you.

we see the beta tester of the next generation in Mbapé, where he is, it's Project Mbapé, Clairefonte, by the time he's 11 years old. He's next up the entire, you know, he, in America, I was explaining to NIL, like, you become a professional athlete after you get drafted in the league. That's how it worked forever. And now that amateur athletes can get paid in the States,

kids are sponsored and making a ton of money by the time they're, you know, in middle school, a lot of the time, some of the time. It changes your celebrity. Messi had to wait properly to be 18 years old to play at the Camp New. Rinaldo had a breakthrough at Lisbon. This is a new generation. And quite frankly, in the same ways, LeBron is the beta tester of being a superstar in, you know, an era with Twitter and an era with a different relationship with the media, for instance.

It's like there, you would, there was no Twitter during Jordan. Jordan would have them killed. You know, I never would, no, I'm just going to. But like, but no, but really, like, we thought Michael Jordan hung out with Bugs Bunny and when he wasn't playing basketball. And, you know, like, we didn't know anything about it. He was gambling. He was in Atlantic City. And that's all that we found out about.

That's what we knew about. Yeah, I think Abpe, yeah, I think we're seeing him, A, in the waiting room, like you're saying, but B, we're seeing him be the first of this next generation. And, you know, he, winning the World Cup at 19, I think to some extent, you could be lost in a lot of ways. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing, he wasn't.

I mean, look at Mario Goertz. Mario Goertz, obviously, injury issues, so we can't criticize him for that. But the pressure of being, but everyone, Mario Goetzer, when he was coming through the ranks in Germany, was expected to be the next big thing. He achieved his footballing destiny at like 21, 22. And what that does to you, like, he scored the World Cup winning goal and he's not

the World Cup Germany squad and it's not weird. It's totally normal. He's like out of that level of football. And like, and Bapé, maybe we don't give enough credit for the fact that like it hasn't crushed him altogether because it should have. It should have crushed him. Yeah, yeah. And maybe he's just someone that was robbed of a childhood to some extent, right? Maybe he's like, maybe he's a grown ass man at 11 and he's just like, yeah, I'd pack my briefcase and go to Claire Fontaine. I will say one of the most impressive things I've ever seen is that this man won a lawsuit

against an actual nation state over his wages and PSG I mean that Abapé has handled at his age a level of responsibility that no one fractured have to especially in Africa I mean the thing with the World Cup final when like Macron is like clinging to his coattails because he knows

that Mbapé is like say so so lame but that's where the power lies I was saying can you imagine being on that team be like God, dude. So bleak, so bleak. He's like, oh, my God.

Why do you hang out with the president, dude? Put it this way. Everyone, everyone with any kind of sway has been at the last couple of World Cup finals because they know that's where the power lies. Yeah. In that room, in that space, getting a ticket to that final, being on that balcony, that's where the power is.

And who's orchestrating the power, it's people like Messian and Bapa. And it sounds ridiculous, but that's kind of what it is. So that's how you got tickets to the final? I wish. Oh, my God. I thought you said, I thought you said your boy, Johnny, you call him Johnny, Johnny, Johnny Infantino. Maybe Ryan's got tickets before I let him know.

Does Infantino mean baby? Why does anyone talk about this? He will talk about it. Johnny Infants. Johnny Baby. Oh, Johnny Baby. He sounds like a mobster. Musa, have a nice night.

It's a pleasure talking to you. You're the best. You're a phenomenal guy. I really appreciate that. I go, I'm on the board of reboot FIFA. We're trying to launch the biggest ever class action lawsuit against FIFA to reform FIFA. So yeah, check it out, reboot FIFA.

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Bring it with SAP Grow. AI Cloud ERP for any size business. I'm joined by my buddies, Clive Palmer, Elliot Smith. They're from, I think, perhaps the most brilliant podcast. Club-specific podcast. It's called Arsenal Fan TV. Check it out. Oh, you know.

Stop it. Stop it. From the Arsenal Vision podcast, it's my favorite podcast, and I've leveraged my internet micro-celebrity to suck up to them, become their friends. He's not wrong. That's exactly what's happening. I've been banned from their podcast,

and now for them, I just want to be seen. I want to be noticed. I've started my own show. You know this is going out to no one. I just am doing a Zoom call with production people here just so we can hang out. Welcome, guys. How you enjoy the Cup?

It's good. It's very interesting seeing the world come together and seeing different ways of different communities all, enjoy football differently. So yeah, it's been cool. I'm just glad everybody finally agrees it's called soccer. But you don't

do that when you talk to them. I think they call this code switching Adam. I'm code switching with you. You do code switch. You say Rose Z and stuff like that. I'm like, what the hell is he? Who is he trying to know that? Rose Zend. What the hell is said?

Shout at Patreon. My Patreon. Elliot, what are you doing? If he doesn't talk properly, I'm not talking to him similar to that, right? See I'm being bullied. These are two. For anyone that doesn't know, you should check out of their podcast, even if you're not an arson supporter.

And they run perhaps, I think, the most brilliant podcast. I've really learned a lot about the game. Mostly from Clive, to be fair. Yes, 100% from Clive. I just copy what he says and say, I miss it up all the time. I'm always like, yeah. I'm always like, anyway. So I wanted to do a rundown of just three.

areas of focus, which is primarily it's going to be England, Brazil, and the States. Elliot, I know you bought in. Luckily, I didn't buy in. I'm a Rose-Z kind of guy. I never believed in them in the first place. You got arsonaled. I'm sorry. It's the hope that kills you.

It's over. Okay? But first, I kind of wanted to introduce you guys to a segment that we have on the show. It's called The Gaffers. So every week or every episode we feature another way, we did Steve Clark. We did Irv-Rinard, which by the way, he's lost his diplomatic immunity.

He has to go back to France, to have sex and stuff. It was great while it lasted, Irv, or Herve or whatever. He is the kind of guy that, like, you're on vacation, he's in a Speedo, and you're like, he's, like, just, like, sulturally looking at your girlfriend, and you're like, can you put your penis with? And then he does an incredible dive, and he was like, oh, God, that guy is unreal. The exact opposite of how people react to Califiori walking the beaches of Rio, Giroreone right now.

Yeah. Oh my God. Well, it's winter there. But I imagine it's still... Can you imagine? We were on the phone yesterday. I was like, I just... I think I'm in love with him, Elliot.

I think I'm actually... Everybody is. I want to kiss him on all... Anyway, so this episode of the Gaffers, let's talk about Jesse Marsh, coach of Canada. What do you guys make of Marsh? I think he's a...

I think he's a rising star in the world of coaching in football. Would you agree? I think he's a bit more 50-50 than that, my friend. Oh, come on. That's classic. I think he's struggling a little bit. I think a lot of his systems have been rumbled. I think even Canadian's a 50-50 on him.

I mean, I'm not sure. The man is a virtuoso. I mean, I think he was a prodigy. Clever, are you familiar with Benedict Arnold? Do you know who that is? I do and I don't. I think you are. I think you are.

I think, I'm pretty sure you know who Benedict Donald is. Look at him all coy. Ben McDonnell, of course, was an American army officer and General George Washington's army who was entrusted with the post of, I believe, was it, West Point, very important post. General Washington's, I entrust you with this. And he turned coat.

He turned coat, and he joined the red coats. He stabbed us in the back, and he broke Washington's heart. How does that make it you feel? Are you like, yes? got one over on us congratulations clive you got one okay you and your red coats is that where eggs benedict come from

i believe so yes it does it does yeah it's because that was his favorite food and we wanted to honor anyway so think of him as a more successful I would say Jesse Marsh I think for those of you who don't know

Jesse Marsh, he is, I guess, an American football coach who's been described as, you know, by everyone as a prodigious talent, despite only being 52. He's built quite the resume for himself. Just five years ago, he was coaching

the mighty Red Bull Salzburg in the Austrian Bundesliga. That's a good team. And July 1st, 2021, he moved to R.B. Leibzig, where he took the Bundesliga by storm. He amassed a gaudy 38% win percentage before being dismissed

December 5th, 2021, in what many are calling a July December love affair, romance, if you will. But that wasn't the end of his story. Far from it. Next up was the Prem, where he took Leeds United to a very brave and respectable 29% win percentage and 17th

place in the table. Obviously, the U.S. men's national team would be the next logical step for this precocious 52-year-old, a rising star, young baby style, that you know Mozart if you will but but of course what happened and it was tough to watch was that the backwards hillbillies at the American FAA and said chose this

gentleman Mauricio Pachitino a grizzled 54-year-old journeyman with an uneven record who took he was able to only manage one Champions League final for English football giants Tottenham Hossber also kind of like think if you guys aren't familiar that kind of the Bayern Munich of England and he only could take them once to the Champions League final. And then he toiled away in the lowly French league with Paris and Germain with you coached Messia.

Anyway, so you can't blame Jesse Marsh for feeling betrayed. Disrespected. I mean, it makes absolutely no sense why the American FAA would have hired, look at this guy. I mean, look, he's suffering because of whatever. I mean, look at that picture. Would you entrust your team

with that? Oh, Yvese. Anyway. So we all watched him get stabbed in the over and over again, we all did nothing. But our friends in the North welcomed him with open arms. And in the year since, he's revolutionized Kinnuk football. He's led them to an otherworldly 42% win percentage in the world's most competitive football conference,

of course, Conn Kakaf, otherwise known as the Conference of Death. And he's earned the right to speak his truth. He's said things like, I don't care about the US team. I never want to coach the US national team. And sorry celebration police. He's made sure after each victory to stay on the pitch for at least one hour dancing for his adoring fans.

Now, Clive, imagine, if you will, an English generational footballing genius, like, I don't know, Neil Warnock, for instance. And he, you find that you realize he's in Scotland. He's turned up in Scotland. And he's started chatting shit. to you hurling insults at King Charles, your hero.

At Clive's hero. Imagine then if Neil Warnock takes his lock-nest monsters down to say, California, in the round of 32, where you can't hide anymore behind a tightly guarded international border, the Scottish

English border to the north. Unbelievable, he's too much. Exactly. And as it all says, And listen, where he can't hide anymore, he's no longer protected, and all that stands in his way is the mighty buffana, buffana of South Africa. Neil Warnock, of course, I'm talking about, right? And they are led by, of course, Belgian 40-year-old veteran manager, Hugo Bruce. We all know him.

He's an avid cyclist. He has no time for social media. And he told South African FAA that they were free to kill him. if he didn't make the World Cup. We all know him. That's what I call accountability. So, class, and Elliot, if Neil Warnock had been so disrespectful to you,

we'll call him Neil Warnock, Benedict Arnold, and he came to Los Angeles, Los Angeles, England, in this analogy, it would be incumbent on all of us to get behind the buffada of Bufada. I'm talking about the Crips, the Bloods, the Latin Kings,

the, Will Wall fans. This whole thing feels like the Always Sunny in Philadelphia whiteboard meme at this point. This is, guys, this is a presentation that I give at the beginning of the episode,

okay? Okay, okay. All right. Would you let Neil Warnock out of the stadium alive? I'll go to you, Elliot. I'm a renowned pacifist.

Okay, I run faster, scared than angry. So I would let someone else handle Neil Warnock, and I would say, Neil Warnock is an intimidating figure in general.

And of all of the professional football managers that I feel I could take in a confrontation, he would not be high up the list. Granted, it would be a very, very short list, but he would not be on it. So no, I would allow him to do really whatever he needs to do. I say he's top three for me. I'd say

probably number two behind Allardyce. Is that your actual living room? No, they built this. It's beautiful. Yeah, I have a picture of who is this? This guy's cartoon. Yeah, I have this kissing thing here. Clive.

Is that a Spain scarf? I don't know. Where did they get this from? They put it here. I don't know. Does it look like a living? I just found out I can do this. It looks like you live there.

Yeah. Anyway, we'll cut around that. I do live here when I'm in the doghouse. So I'm just saying Clive and Elliot, South Africa have to win. We have to beat this asshole that's just shouting across the border at us telling us that we're not that cool. And then he deserved the job over a guy that coached Messi and took a dog shit and taught him.

Right? And I'm just saying, like, can you just, can you just appeal to her? I know you guys are big South Africa fans yourselves. My home. More the rugby, to be honest. More the rugby. I follow that really close to. Yeah.

And that's, they've had such a healing effect on the country, right? It's unbelievable what they're doing and how they live and how they train. And Rassi. Rassie, Rassie, Rasmus. He's a genius. That's my favorite coachie. He's kind of a Mick. He's kind of a Mikl in the way that he's like kind of a, the system he set up.

I don't know. I study him. I watch videos on him all time. He's a genius. I love it. And he's a great person. So guys, we're going to, we have to beat this Jesse Marsh. And here's the point.

That went on a little long. I was very excited last night when I was writing it. I thought Clive would laugh. I thought, but guys. I laugh all the time. Jesse Marsh is a knob and South Africa have to beat him. He's coming to America after talking crap to us.

Guys, you know what to do. And I'm talking to you, the Millwall, L.A. supporters. Okay. Guys, let's talk about speed round. Let's talk about the three kind of spheres of influence. I want to focus on England, Brazil, and the United States. Specifically, I kind of want the theme for this discussion to be, have we been Arsenaled?

Have we been hoodwinked by literally one and a half USA matches and maybe let's call it the third quarter of the first England match into thinking that positional football is going to take over the World Cup. I think I'm starting to remember that no, this is an endurance

test, it's a blood sport, it's nil-nills, it's penalty shootouts, it's tight matches, it's nervey. Do you think, especially with the England national team, what's hard with them, do you think that Tuchel can emulate kind of what his system is

or he has to adjust to kind of the environment of the knockouts, like moving forward. Yeah, he's always got to adjust, right? This tournament goes on for about three years, right? So he's only just drawn one game. There's not a problem here, and I think he will adjust, but he should adjust on the future, not just what just happened and think,

well, this happened, I must make changes for that. Just stick to your plan and he'll be fine. I think England and I've got a really good side. And they just played a really physical garner and they struggled and that happened sometimes, right? If you can't win, don't lose. Yeah. Elliot, what do you think? Like, how are they going to look in the knockouts?

Because, like, can you play like a presi, two-co style system? Especially in a thousand-degree inferno? Like, is that possible? Is this just like an endurance test about survival or is this, can you apply kind of some of your higher principles that we're all getting excited about after one match? like the first go-round. I do think that the best managers have traditionally been in club football and we're seeing some of them

in the international game now and I think it's improving the game and it's improving the performances of those teams and I expect England will benefit from that as the tournament goes on. I think the USA have definitely benefited from that. Even something as silly is Pocitino understanding

to rotate his team for a meaningless third group stage game don't get roped into the fact that Brad Pitt is at SoFi Stadium and the non-football knowing American public is going to be mad if you lose the game. Rotate, rest, be ready for the knockout rounds. I've enjoyed watching the U.S. I think that front-footed style has led to more entertaining football.

Football that maybe people who aren't as familiar with the sport can get behind and get excited about. So I do think that these club managers are making a difference. I think you'll see that as the tournament goes on. And my hope is that we continue to see more of it because I think it's good for international tournaments to have better managers in the game. And also people are kind of ignoring what's happening outside in the camp, right? Which is this hell... Clive, are you familiar with the National Lampoon's Vacation Film Series? I am.

I told him you wouldn't know that, Clive. And what I would say... So this is what England has had to deal with. We've kept a running list. Of course, there was a gun violence. There was nine people who were shot next to the camp. A tornado, a hurricane. Their prime minister resigned.

They got robbed. Harry Kane was naked for three days because he had no clothes because they were okay no some of them are sunburned they have a German coach after what happened what they did I can't believe it Harry McGuire is stalking them Harry McGuire is following them around the country

saying hey I'm doing a merchandise signing but I have my boots if you guys need I'm here the Scottish drank all their beer in Boston Americans brought the Declaration of Independence to training and they got the entire England team to sign it. And of course, most recently in the Ghana match, they were cursed by an African witch doctor. But I don't know if you heard this.

He was nice enough. He's like, it's going to be one match and I'll lift the curse. So he's a nice guy. But if we're looking ahead, there is a potential for, if they get to Round at 16, then playing with the Ghost of Maradona at altitude in the Azteca against Mexico like literally like is this

is this just is this just a a cursed trip led by Mr. Chevi Chase to Wally World what are you rating their chances right now like to me after I'd say the first match I said it's I'd say I kind of bought in

and I think I thought there was a high problem of them winning this tournament. Now I've convinced myself that it's the hope that kills you. So, like, where are you guys seeing, you know, where do you see this team going? Yeah, I think they're going to do all right. I think Elliot said it, he nailed it really.

This is the World Cup of the managers. The quality of managers is so much better, you know, and that's led to proper tactics. You know, honestly, that I've got an idea what they're trying to do. And so I think Tudel's really good. He's a top-level guy. I think top of the level managers now

looking at the work-life balance they have in national football versus club football and saying let's go right so I think England could do really well he understands why he selected every player and I think they're going to go far easy. Look, Arsenal 22 years of hurt done

the Knicks 53 years of hurt done England 60 years of hurt done things happen in threes it's coming home and when I say home of course I mean in class home yeah yeah You think it's coming on? For me personally, because I'm a Rose-ed kind of guy, I just want England to win because I want to see my boys happy.

The real question I have in my mind is, do I want to see Hurricane happy? I don't know. But let's focus on the captain. I haven't, I can't identify a Hurricane moment that he's had for the national side. I can't identify a moment where it's like, this is him, the Harry Kane game, put the team on his back. And like I think a question I have for you is like I'm seeing Jude free of the dictator finally and I'm like oh yeah like actually he's kind of living his truth finally

The the you know the the the the Charles de Gaul or like whatever you know what I'm talking about And Bapa yeah Vinnie and Jude are just free now Of the shackles of this fucking oh anyway but um I one thought I've kind of had is like maybe we don't wait for Harry Kane to have that moment. Can Jude kind of be the Zizu of the 98 Zizu of

the, yeah, nice, the graphic. Is that Mbapapai? That's the Korean dictionary. No, that's Kim Jong-il. Kim Jong-un. Kim Jong-un. Yeah, so, oh no, that's, no, I'm not going to say that. You know what I was going to say,

but I'm not going to say it, but we, thank God, South Africa avenged us. how many times have we seen the son buried that chance back to the show do you think that Judy should actually be the one who emerges I think he's trying to

I don't think our media are too happy with him trying to emerge they're happy when Harry's the main man but he won't be stopped right he's 22 I think he's the youngest player ever to reach 50 caps right he's he's coming he's on his way and he won't be stopped and he's a superstar

but the moment he plays the bad part the press will be after him. That's just the nature of the beast, right? And why is that, Cleve? You stitched him on there. Let me see. Because it's an anti-Burbingham bias in the media. I think we have...

What were you thinking? I was just thinking, yeah, we have things. We see certain people of leaders, and we don't see others. Simple as that. That's nature of the beast. Yeah. Okay. We'll move on from that.

I mean, like, do you... I kind of, like, for me, I kind of, Elliot, like, I think Jude kind of, that's the potential for the... Because two years ago, he was the face of English football. Like, before the Eurozone, it was the Hey Jude commercial. Like, and it kind of feels like the last two years... Well, and he got a lot... He got pelters for that in some corners of the media as well, but...

What? They can shut up. Okay, can they shut... You like how I said pelters there, by the way. That was for you. Yeah, yeah. No, I thought it was bloody brilliant. I thought you were buffing... Cheers. You're buffing mad for that.

You're a regular Gryffindor, whatever. Anyway, no, but like, yeah, it does feel like that, that kind of, him being the face of being stalled. They can shut up. Oh, sorry. Ethan did the same

touchdown dance as freaking Holland. Shut up. Just let there's such babies. Oh, I'm scandalized. Megan Markle. Anyway, better continue. I'm going to arrest. Well, I do think Jude is an interesting player because I'm not entirely sure what he is positionally.

He's one of these players that seems to be there for the big moment. He arrives in the box. He scores the goal. He wants to be everywhere. He has that Roy of the Rovers quality that Declan Rice has too. But, you know, I don't totally know if they have the construction in the midfield completely right. I don't know that you need Elliot Anderson and Declan Rice in the same midfield together. Clive's going to make fun of me.

Get rid of the double pivot. Go to a single pivot. $1.70 million. Yeah, put Ezzen next to Jude. Let them play off of. of Kane more because look, Kane is not thriving right now because there's a wardrobe, right? He stands still. But if you have someone that stands still, you need Jude who runs beyond. You need someone to combine with him. And I don't think Anderson or Rice are the right guy for that.

So that's just me. I don't think they're platforming Kane very well. And while I think there's a world where you could play with someone else up front, England aren't going to do that. So you have to set yourself up to platform Kane. But I'm sure, Clive, you would disagree with that. I do disagree because they are doing, they're doing everything in their power to platforming by allowing him to go everywhere. And then you need someone to hit the box, and that happens to be jude. And so the thing with Kane is, maybe we're building a system around him too much,

because when he's marked, then nothing else works. I think Kane is the plus point, but he's also the single point of failure. And then we look at everything else. And we shouldn't look at everything else. We should think for ourselves, okay, in the next game, for example, do we need a penalty box presence?

do we need someone in the box so we can play to that person in the box and if Kane was to go free then he becomes a number 10 and then you can drop Judeback 1 and then you can go that way and I think we must have a box presence because Panama are not coming to play

and so I think that's what he'd learned from the last game you know Ivan Tony I know it sounds strange but that's the player I would play in the next game I would have signed him for Arsenal yeah yeah interesting like

I kind of like do somewhat agree. Like the balance probably instead of Anderson would be probably better if we had Adam Wharton. It kind of has a line breaking. Point God, kind of Chris Paul. Sorry, you're going to have to hear my references.

Okay? I know Chris Paul. Kind of as a point God. No, so, but I actually now it, I kind of, now that I think we're going to the knockout stages, actually that the that pairing of Anderson with Rice

and Jude actually is better suited to that game state which is just... So it's like kind of... It's interesting. It's like going into the tournament, I was like Adam Warden should be the third. And now 170 million pound man

Elliot Anderson, I think, is better suited for just the cagey blood. 170. Do you hear Chris Sambo got a 290 million transfer? Are we talking dollars or pounds, right? It's 160 million pounds, right? So, yeah, there you go. Yeah, what are these prices?

How the hell did... Who the hell did Barcelona decided $75 million for Gordon? I don't know why I'm talking like an old Jew right now, but... 75 million! The prices! The prices are crazy... No, anyway. Yeah, I mean, it's just like, yeah, I think that that midfield setup,

kind of looking forward is actually suits them well, in fact. Yeah, there's two tournaments, it's two tournaments, isn't it? The tournament of the rounds and the tournament of the knockouts. Come to knockouts, Elliot will be wanting these double pivot back, mate. I promise you that. Okay.

Me or the footballer? So the next case study is like, I mean, Clive just said this could be the World Cup of managers, but let's not forget that we have fallen for it again. After the first Brazil match,

how many times have we said this about Carlo. Oh, it's over. They don't have to tell it. How many times? And then some guy, some rando from freaking, from Swansea, who's 39 years old, scores two in extra time. How many times has it looked like Pep's been in a lair

with Bunsen burners and beakers going insane and he's like, I'm going to have Kyle Walker play nine tomorrow, Carlo won't see that coming. And then Carlo's like, I'm going to look like I'm doing no work at my job and smoke a cigarette and it's not going to work. It's

the, it is the, uh, the, just the, it's, I mean, I think who's, it's, what's the word for? I mean, it's, it's, it's aura, right? Or vibes, right? Like, I just, I aspire to be just a guy that like, likes just, I like heavy meals. I like a heavy pasta meal with red wine. And I just stand there and just like, look bored. Um, but no, we're looking at them, like, after the first match, we're like, it's, it's a rap on Brazil. It's not happening. Their midfield looks, do-doo. But, like, you know, Carlos coming out of the group with seven points, right?

Carlos also said that this is not about the team that scores most goals, it's about the team that prevent, like, that prevents goals. Is that actually, like, are we, are we putting too much into the thought that this is like, that a Kroiffian Hugo de Positions

will be a factor in a tournament that is effectively just an endurance test. Like, where do you see Brazil going? I think they're fucked. I do. I think they're fucked for a few things. First of all, they have him. Well, they do have the eyebrow. By the way, the best thing Brazil have brought to this tournament,

beyond any shadow of a doubt, are the online memes about Endrick not playing. And if you have not seen them, go online and check out. Brazil, Twitter has, I think, won the World Cup with their memes about Endric not getting playing time. They are amazing. There is a cow raising its eyebrow that you should check out. But look, the Rafinia injury is a major one for them because Rayan is a talented young player,

but I don't think that's a player that you can just lose and recover from in terms of goal scoring. I think Namar being back in the mix could be a problem for them. Is there a deferential quality to the team about wanting Namar to play? It's not the Namar of old.

I think the midfield is... Where is your soul, sir? The midfield is functional. Casamiro can't run. They might face, you know, a really interesting Japan team, and then they could face Norway and how do they handle Erling Holland?

Gabby versus Holland would be a fun rekindled rivalry. So I think the loss of Rafenia, I think the functional midfield, I think the Namar factor could all be problems for Brazil trying to get further. But their defending is good. So Clive, I don't know,

maybe that's enough for them to get further. They are Brazil after. I'm not too sure where they are, to be honest, but I'll give you the other side of things. They change their fallbacks and Ryan is actually a really good player. He is. And he's like a breakout player.

And Raffin has had injuries all year, and he's a much bigger name. We all know about him. But he's not been playing well for a while. We've ran is more position he's suited to what they want to try to do. I have a worry about Casamiro. I'm just not sure if he's leaky enough. He got his other guy called Ed Milson in the background at Manchester are about to sign.

And Carlo may he just put him in there. You know, he's smart. He's not stupid. You may find a moment to put him in there, give him more energy. And if they do that, and I think they could go somewhere. I'm not sure where somewhere is. They brought in Cunia.

I got rid of Tiago from the first game, brought in Cunia, a lot more flexibility tactically. And what I like about Carlo is he seized the problems. And that first game, he looked stressed. But the second game, he eased up because he realized he's fixing one problem after the other. And if he sorts out Casamiro, then it's what they can do, right?

They beat Haiti and Scotland, so let's just pump the brakes a little bit. I'm being too blown away. First of all, you guys are freaking hipsters. Second of all, listen, how many times do we say this about Carlo? Okay, I do think the biggest thing that we haven't mentioned, and the biggest is that they have Allison. And in knockout stages, having a world-class goalkeeper,

I'm sorry, I don't see Jordan Pickford in the same category as Allison. And, like, Emmy Martinez was a massive factor in the last World Cup, right? He was maybe perhaps 50% of the equation with Messi. I mean, if we're, you know, and then of course that, by extension, we have to have a keeper injured against Brighton, and isn't it crazy how it works? Yeah, I remember. Just Neil Mope changed the world.

Neil Mope injures, what's his name, the German? Our boy. Burn Leno. Oh, Berleno. Run that again. Neil Mopey, injures Brit Leno, Emmy gets a chance for the first time ever, he gets a transfer, he wins Messi the World Cup.

Neil Mopei should be man of the tournament. Okay, anyway, for the last one. Having a goalkeeper like that is a massive factor in the knockout stages. Second of all, they have attacking depth. I mean, like, if you look at, like, I mean, it's Rafiniya's out, but they have Endric, they have ran, as you said. They have Kunya. Gabriel Marnelli?

Are you not going to mention Gabriel Martinel? Ooh, Martinelli. Ooh, Martinelli. Okay. They have Vinny is, listen, I'm sorry. He's free of the presence of the best player in the world, right? And he can kind of be the top boy on that side. I actually love their attacking depth.

Their midfield does seem stodgy, but I think in like tight game state, it doesn't really kind of like look the same as it would be in like a kind of more open match. And I just think that like, yeah, like, listen, Clive, like, Scotland were in their half for 47 seconds. I don't, like, this is, this is like, we forget, like, this is what Carlo does, okay? And Elliot, where is your, where is your, where is your, where is your heart? Respect.

The return of Myanmar. I mean, like, how beautiful would this be? I mean, listen, we're, let's just, everything else is beautiful right now. He looked a little Nymar and a half. We're seeing Messi expressing himself. I mean, oh, the boy's still got it. I mean, he had nine turnovers. He could maybe sprint, maybe, like, 10, 12 yards.

He has it still. He's playing with it. It's just like he's back with Suarez and, and, uh, messy. Can we turn our attention to the U.S.? I'm glad, you know, I feel about Elliot, are you okay? You know, you went full, you went, you bought in fully. And, uh, for me, I was just, uh, I was watching Faulty Towers

and I was and keeping up appearances and I wasn't paying much attention to the US national team I just walked through the house saying I believe I believe that we It's so crap Country Roads was awesome

That's a United song made I don't sing that one Country Roads is a John Denver song in fact It's a Manchester United song I believe he died of playing crash on it anyway Okay. They have a good matchup in the round of 32. There's a path there. Belgium, Egypt, likely in the round of 16,

we need to seek revenge against Belgium. We have history there. Do they get to the quarters? Is that like, you know, can this grizzled veteran who has handed the juggernaut of England, Tottenham Hotspur, only managed one Champions League final, Uh, can he?

What do you think? I think the quarters are where the United States should expect to get to. And then after that, you could be facing someone like a Spain or a Portugal. And at that point, I think the expectation would be that you don't go through. Um, so for me, par, uh, that's from the game of golf. Par would be, uh, to get to the quarters, I think, based on how it sets up. But, you know, it's interesting, all. Uh, so, so, Clef, and I want to ask you about this, because I think the

interesting thing with the U.S., and we've played at times where you probably haven't been able to watch a lot. I've loved the pressing. I've loved the front-footed approach. I've loved the tempo. The rest defense isn't good. And when you beat the press, the United States has been all over the shop defensively. So do you think that that gives teams that face us, even if there may be unfavored, a chance, because if you get out, I think you can create chances against the U.S. Also, it's hot, too. It's hard to do it with a thousand degrees. I think it's, you have to just think about it, right? They won the first two games. The third game, I don't care who you are.

Look at Germany. They couldn't win their last game because they already won their first two. So it takes a bit of the energy out, takes a bit of the edge out. But what the manager's got, he's got another set of players that are ready to play.

So he's made his squad deeper. So he's thinking, okay, I've lost, but I've won. I've now got a bigger group that I can use when it really, really matters. So I think the US stuff looked really, really good. But let's see what happens

when the crime comes. But they have got a manager that understands what he's, doing. Whether you like him or not, he really understands big moments. He can see the game, make adjustments. So yeah, they've got a chance to get to PAR, which is the last, you know, I'd say the last 16, and it would you agree? I think that's part. Yep, absolutely. And I think that would be good for the tournament. And then you start to get people on top of buildings if you get to the last eight, right? And that's when things change. So, so yeah, I think he's done well so far. And I think

what he's done, he's made people think that the US understand what they're doing with on a football and they've invested in this guy to make them more tactively aware and more elite. And it looked like an elite team. You know, with elite tactics that the quality of player, we can discuss that, right?

But that will hopefully improve over time because the US is not bad to produce good athletes, right? So we'll see what happens. Yeah. And we've got Flo Balligan, Arsenal legend, Flo Balligan. Oh, my God.

Arsenal legend Matt Turner. Yeah, yeah. He doesn't start. Arsenal Legend, trustee, the process. Yeah, he scored. The Colorado Maldini. Another one we've just let walk out the door, boys.

Anyway, but I think, I check their next fixtures. They're going to be outdoor games. The world is ending right now. Let's just watch sports, okay? I think it was like this in 94 as well. Tim was making the point that the kind of the Brazil kind of narrative right now

does mirror a lot of the 94 World Cup in the United States. and they kind of like were not favored and they were worse than Italy and they pulled it off in the end when I'm looking at the United States it's listen you know I

prefer the finer things in life my state a good glass of port having sex through the zipper full tuxedo I'm an Englishman is that is that English tradition should we ask live about that

Clive, I think the point is is that I need to make a new world in motion to inspire my five boys. Yes, I'm talking about Morgan Rogers as well. Here we go. Clive, here's a chance. What's going on? What's going on with it?

It's going on with the Arsenal? It's happening. I think it's going to happen. It's all about the number. What else? Just say that I was first with the information. Morgan. I reported that here we go.

Fabrizio in the mud. once again Friedland bomb okay I think that quarters they have a good pass to the quarters

Belgium is not a good team I think that there are like probably seven good teams and a huge gap and then maybe the United States I think but they're top ten

I think they are the best of the pack and I do think that if they're playing outside it's sweltering even like when they're in Seattle is sweltering What we're seeing is they played a pressy system in indoors, the first match.

They did it for the first half against Australia. And then it kind of, like, when you're pressing, it takes more energy than it having possession. I think, Clive, is that right? This sounds like any Arsenal Vision podcast, honestly. That's right. Just like being at home. Plots knows how to keep the ball away from his net. He knows what you do.

Yeah. And Matt Turner, you know, he showed yesterday that he's ready to take the number one shirt. guys I'm not sure about that it's over it's over it's over guys it's over they're going to lose to Bosnia in Operation Deliberate Force Part 2

questions for you boys Clive you're like someone that I really enjoy listening to in talent analysis going on your YouTube's I've really for me the standout talent that I've gotten familiar with is bin Manzambi on

on Switzerland Zoran Mammani on Switzerland he knew Swiss starlets Zoron Mbondani what the hell kind of I thought he could do it all guys okay who else have you who have you guys been enjoying that like you weren't familiar previously or as familiar with previously well funny enough I didn't we didn't really like him but I watched Ardagula played for Turkey yesterday and I thought it was excellent and I've heard the fuss about him I've not watched the game properly and I thought he dominated the game.

I thought he was just beautiful to watch. And I wonder what happens to him at Real Madrid, you know. Is he going to get... I think Marina wants him, unfortunately. Yeah, see what they do with him, how they use him, because he's a talent there, right? And sometimes they can get lost at Real Madrid. So, yeah, he's the one for me.

Yeah. Yep. How are you going to be? I think Joeberto Mora is a really interesting player. The 19-year-old from Mexico coming into the tournament, people were talking about him, and he got a chance to play in their third group. game. He was absolutely brilliant. I wonder if he's ready to make a leap from the Mexican

League. I think he plays in League of MX. And I just wonder if he's ready to make a leap from there. He probably won't play a ton for Mexico as, you know, he's not first choice there, but he's someone that can change the game. You've got a couple of players like this. But, you know, some of them like Nico Paz, who may not play that much for Argentina, he's known, he's a known commodity owned by Real Madrid. He's going to stay in Como, but eventually wind up at a big club. So, Giobardo Mora, a little more of an interesting under-the-radar player who he fits that mold of what Clive knows I like. He's a skillful, technical playmaking midfielder, just exactly the kind of player that fits my eye, so I like him. Yeah. Sam, who else did you have on your 15 boys?

Well, obviously, Bootti. Oh, yeah. Okay, who else was on your list of 15 boys? This guy's list has been incredible. Great, Sam. Producer Sam, say hello to the boys. Come on. Hello, hello. No, no, no, go, just get in the camera.

You've got to say hi to the boys. Okay. He listens, we love you. He gets, we get mad at you guys. We love you again. Every time I try to sell Victorio. We love him. You guys are the best podcast in the world.

Yeah, you're my friend. Sam, okay. I guess like, what if, we'll close on the, I'm going to do another kind of bit I've prepared for you guys. We love a bit. But like, what, what are the major surprises you guys have had for like let's say looking forward to the knockout stages like i thought it was going to be a slog too many games i thought it was going to suck and then i thought maybe maybe

messy rinaldo will play each other in the quarters the world to explode again but i've been pretty engaged with this world cup throughout um how about you guys like what if what were you not expecting and uh what have you've been pleasantly surprised by you first club i wasn't expecting all the stories, you know, like all the old men doing their thing, like Ronaldo and Messi, Namar, and every, every, almost feels that every country has a, as a person

that they really look up to. And it maybe tells you that national football's different to club football, where it's more of a collective. But really, there are national heroes developing, and Harry Kane is one, Namar's another. Come on! How are you going to get a six shot off?

Why? But he but in England, he is, right? And Namar, again, he can barely, he barely run, but when he came on that pitch, the whole crowd was desperate to see him, right? So I think that's really maybe should. And Moe had a moment too. Yeah, he did. I think it worked a good shout.

Mo Salas as well. Players coming to the end of their careers and maybe getting a lap of honor clap, you know, for doing what they've done for their countries, right? So I'm pleased with that. Yeah. Yeah. I'll take sort of the other side of it, which is I expected the quality of this tournament to be affected by it expanding to 48 teams. and certainly there have been examples of that,

but I think there have been really fun stories of unfavored teams that have gotten results that have been fun to watch, whether it's Eloy Room or Virginia from, I think, is it, was it Cape Verde's keeper, Vosignia, right? Cape Verde have a chance with two draws to get through. Is that how you say? How do you say his name?

Vosignia? Is that it? Oh, shit. Okay, I've been saying it wrong. I mean, do you think people have been keeping track of that? Can you edit that out? Oh, fuck. I said the, what, the, girl thing.

I've been calling him vagina for weeks now. Why didn't anyone say, Sam, why did you let me do that? Two things that people widely have been very positive about recently, though. So you have that. Vigina has been an absolute brick wall in this tournament.

That's your own problem. It sounds like. You can't get true. You did talk about being inside something for 47 seconds earlier in the episode. Vigina has been blocking everything. Okay, anyway. He seems like you're good.

So Cape Verde, great story. Curacao managed to draw. There have been some unfavored teams. Ecuador getting through the way they did. South Africa getting through the way they did. I just think there have been fun stories of unfavored players and nations that have made the 48 team tournament not feel like a slog and so kudos to them well done. Yeah. Okay, first of all, Ecuador, don't give them kudos. Sorry, fine, no kudos for Ecuador. And what the hell is going on with that coach? How about D.R. Kongo? You know what? He looks like an extra, the coach record looks like an extra from a point break.

Do you remember the movie point break? He looks Christian rock to me. That's what he looks like to me. Yeah, it could be that. Yeah, like he's in a, like a righteous gem so, he's the electric guitar guy with like a ton of pedals. He also looks like a young Simon Jordan. He found a, he found a tweet.

He's spitting in it. So, okay. I just want to give you guys, I'm instituting a new thing. I'm going to go through each World Cup History Corner. Clive, what are your memories of the 1930? Well, I just left school at the time.

Yeah. So, yeah, that's all I remember. And you used to be able to get on the troll and go downtown for a nickel. Anyway, but I want to tell you guys, so what do you know about the 1930 World Cup in Uruguay? Not much. That was the first one, wasn't it? The first one, and Uruguay won it.

Did they win it? You know, I have to, I can't believe I have to tell you. you about your thing. It's like you have to tell me about freaking hamburgers or hot dog. You have to tell me about the freaking FIFA Peace Prize. Come on. I'm gonna marry. I shouldn't be, okay, anyway. Let me tell you,

I've been researching the 1930 World Cup and let me tell you, it was, it's so funny. It's like, okay. First of all, there's a lot of funny stuff happening at that time, but okay. I'm gonna tell you about these are my funny things. Funny stuff, Elliot.

I don't think there was any funny stuff. happening in the early 30s. Well, the early 30s are okay, I guess. Yeah. You're talking about the talk. Okay. Well, there's something else. Okay, anyway, but why does everything have to be about the hall?

Okay. Why? I'm not so sure. I can't shut up. Guys, first of all, the Romanian playboy king, Carol, that's pretty funny. He picked their squad. There was a Romanian player. His name was Alfred Icebinder, who missed the boat back from Uruguay.

He was also a figure skater. slide. Yes. His family assumed that he was dead and he showed up at his own funeral upon arrival. Okay? Egypt missed the boat. They didn't get to go. The United States doctor, the U.S.

was in the semis. What the fuck was going on there? How the hell was that against Argentina? The doctor came, ran out onto the pitch. He tripped and he dropped a bottle of chloroform and he knocked himself out on the pitch the referee blew the whistle six minutes

early with a French attacker through Clearong goal versus Argentina Bolivia were berets the rafts were suits Romania, Peru had an attendance of 300 people and finally I want to tell you about the final the final was between Argentina and Uruguay almost 100,000 people in Montevideo

that attended. They refused to use each other's balls. So the first half had to be played with the Argentino ball, which I believe Argentina would lead 2-0. And the second half had to be played with the Uruguay ball, which they scored four and 1-4-2. The winning goal was scored by a gentleman named Hector

Castro, whose nickname was the maimed. He cut off his own arm with an electric saw at the age of 13, and he scored a game-winning goal. He was also kind of a playboy. He would show up to training drunk. He was one of those kind of players, Duncan Ferguson, if you will. And he used to use his stump as a weapon during set plays. He's like, how cool is that?

Okay. Played for McCallertena. On the way into the final, over 5,000 guns were confiscated. Wow. That's incredible. He used people that brought them in to kill the referees and or the opposite team. Finally, when word spread that Argentina had been defeated

in Buenos Aires. They basically did a January 6th to the Uruguayan consulate, tried to send it on fire, and they threw stones at a group of Uruguayan people. Guys, this is our history. This is the World Cup. Next year will be the Centenary, and hopefully we will do the Uruguayan January 6 all over again. Anyway, guys, it's been great to have you. I just want to say, I doubt they'll hold the World Cup next year, so we'll probably have to wait four years for the centenary. These are just minor details,

yeah. Next World Cup, dude. What are you doing right now? Actually, it's called Boba O'Reilly. Okay, we all know that. We all know that. Can you play a solo for us? Right now.

Grab it, grab it, grab it, grab it, solo. Solo. Eddie Van Halen. Guys, you're my boys. It's been great to be joined by you. We're going to cut this, but the second World Cup was the Mussolini World Cup. And the referee kicked the ball away

from a Hungarian player who's clearly like on he kicked it he kicked it to the Italian because Miss Lina was paid What is he Why hasn't Trump thought of that That'll get a faster out of 16th

The British were like They're like How dare you make a federation This is supposed to be a ball In the middle of a field And we're supposed to be punching each other They're like why you're trying to Give it a federatione

So they didn't go And no one in England Really even knew the World Cup was happening until the final when they heard about the violence that, they're like, we want a piece of that. We're off the show, but Chelsea did a preseason tour in Buenos Aires, and they were like, these people are sick in the head about their football.

They were actually like, yeah. Anyway, boys, thanks for coming. You had fun? Good to see. How was I doing? I mean, guys, how was I doing? You thought it was okay? Yeah, absolutely brilliant. Flawless. The vagina part is, I want a recording of that so I can listen to it. It was your idea. Really, really good.

Five, do you want to say this? those words, I didn't think they were very appropriate about the Scottish they were using before. What do I say? That wasn't appropriate. You can't call Scottish people. I thought there's a lot of history behind those words. I would call them, what I said? What if Neil Warnock calls when Neil Warnock

takes those Loch Ness Mons? You said that. I didn't think it's funny. Neil Wernock is the funniest. No, no, Neil Warnock is the funniest reference. I was trying to think of who the funniest. He's scary. I was like, should I do Allardus? Should I do like Harry, no, like I was like, I need an old, and I was like, Neil, it's Neil. He's actually a nice guy. I've met him, actually.

He's a great guy, apparently. Yeah, yeah. He's woke too, his labor. He came down to some preseason training at one on league club, and he stood there, spent time with us, and, like, was telling him all about his career. I thought, cracky, what a nice guy. You know the story about the dream, his wife's dream? No, not that one. His wife had a dream that this fullback who hadn't played in two months, scored a hat-trane. and so he's like, you're fucking whatever her name was. What was her name?

It makes the story better. He's like, yeah, Mosh just had a dream. Sharon. Yeah, Sharon's had a dream. So he's like, you're starting at nine. And he's like, what? And he scored left foot, right foot head. What? That's amazing. Tim Butterfield.

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