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Why can't you love him and disagree? Because he's hard to love. He's a hard person to love. Meaning what? Because he calls my side the enemy from within. He calls us gnats that need to be taking care of. He calls us gnats. Did you hear that?

Nuts. No, Nats. Nats, like the bug. The little Nats thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't heard that word of years. He called me a Nats. So he was talking to the U.S. military.

He told you that you were a Nats. No, he called Democrats. He said Democrats are Nats that need to be taken care of. But he didn't know you. Why do you think? he was talking to you. Because he hates Democrats. Are you a Democrat?

Yeah. You're a Democrat? Yeah. How does your mother feel that you're a liberal Democrat? I normally man are conservative. I have with me Adam Mockler. He is a political commentator and the host of Adam Mockler show on the Midas Touch Network. Adam, good morning, welcome to the show.

You are a liberal? Yeah. Why? Why? I think my values align with more center-left values of, I'd say, freedom of speech, personal liberty. I think liberalism is a lot about equality and equity, and I think that conservatism oftentimes isn't. It's a little bit more cruel. What does that mean equality and equal? Equity? How could you? Would that mean equality? Equality? When it comes to liberalism, I mean, just just the ability for anybody to love who they want, the ability for anybody to act how they want as long as they're not harming anybody else. So when I look at conservatism, I oftentimes feel like it's not even about freedom.

It's not about equality at all. When I look at liberalism, just from a really broad level, they want freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of all this stuff. But that's the same thing conservative wants. Do they? Does the current administration want freedom of speech? Yeah. You think so? But why do you think they don't want it?

The current administration has been a little bit weird when it comes to freedom of speech. Did you hear about the Brendan Carr, FCC stuff? But who is acting up right now to liberals or the conservative? The conservatives are in power. So they're the ones that are trying to stop free speech, it feels like. So you believe in liberty, right? And free speech. Amazing.

And those are your values. Overall, broadly, yeah. What's important to you? Personally? Like what topics right now? What's important to you? You're Z, right? Gen Z, yeah.

And so what's important to you? What's important to me? Really broadly is growing up in America where there's moral clarity and where my values can be represented. So my values of freedom of religion or freedom of the right to say what you want. But right now, I'm really, really looking for a future

where America can be anti-Russian. Russia and pro-Ukraine because pro-democracy, anti-authoritarianism, anti-demonization of immigrants, pro-equality, just a lot more of America with moral clarity in it. When you say more clarity, what does that mean? It means, you know, a few days ago when that Politico group chat article came out, all of those Republicans were saying crazy things in a group chat. It was like gas chambers and all of that in the group chat. Did you read that article at all?

J.D. Vance... I didn't read the article, but we did talk about it. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I don't you talk about. J.D. Vance, after that, wouldn't even condemn it. He wouldn't even say that it was bad. And I think that's a lack of moral clarity. You're not making...

What does it's a moral clarity mean? It's... You're being very, very clear on what moral values you want the country to stand for, and J.D. Vance isn't being clear. He's muddying the waters, and now people in my generation don't know. Are we allowed to make jokes about gas chambers? People don't know. We need clarity on that. And did you have that?

when Obama, well, not Obama, but Biden was in office, you should have more clarity. He was pretty clear, yeah. It was more clarity then? Yeah. He would say, what was it? He would say, I'm not... What was it more clarity? He would say, I'm not a president for Republicans.

I'm not a president for Democrats. I want to be a president for all Americans. He would say that political violence is never okay. Like, common... Well, yeah, that's all I ever happened. They had the Black Life Matter stuff. But Biden condemned that. And so Biden didn't condemn Black Larry matter.

He said the property damage he condemns. So are you a Christian? No. And why not? You know, my dad is Muslim and my mom's side of the family is more Christian. When I was young, I used to go to the mosque a lot with my dad every Friday for Friday prayer. And one time my mom sat me down when I was like nine, she said, listen, you don't have to be Muslim, you don't have to be Christian. You can decide which path you want to go down.

So after going to the mosque and after, you know, hearing some of my more Christian family members out, I made the independent decision that I just, I'm more atheist agnostic. I don't believe in God. Intuitively, there's, it doesn't feel right. There's no evidence to me. So your mother stopped you from going to the mosque with your father? No, she just said I have the choice because it's America. I like freedom.

Did your father know that your mother said that to you? Yeah, my father was okay with it. I mean, should I be forced to be Muslim, you think? Did your mother obey your father? No, my mom is actually more independent than my father. My mom makes more than my dad. How do you think about it? What do you think about that?

So your mother made more money than your father? She does still. Really? Yeah, does that surprise you? And your father is a Muslim, right? Yeah, but those two things are correlated. But normally Muslims don't fall for women being in control like that. What's wrong with your father?

What's wrong with him? Yeah. Nothing. I think that we live in a more, you know, it's 12. 2025 and things are changing. Women can make more than men. Men can choose to be what religion they want. It's different. Do you think my mom should force me to be Muslim? Or... Does your father know? So your father's Muslim. Do the Muslim people know that your father let your mother rule? Do the Muslim people know that my father was more of a masculine religion.

It is. It is. But in the West, Islam is not so hardcore like the man is in charge. There is a more toothless version of Islam that exists in the West where women can lead, women can be in charge. And by the way, my mom's not in charge.

She happens to have a PhD. She's very, very highly educated. And my dad works at the family business. So it's not that my mom's in charge of the house. She's just more educated and had more upward mobility. in the Muslims in the community they don't care

so that's amazing it's amazing yeah yeah yeah would you have a were women created to lead or to follow I mean neither inherently what do you think what do you mean neither inherently I think that a woman can develop

into a great leader if she has the skill set if she gets educated like my mom if I think a lot of women can be great leaders but inherently nobody is a leader or a follower Some women are going to be more predisposed to following people. I just, I don't think that binary is quite true. Do you think don't...

Would you follow a woman? Sure. You will follow a woman? Yeah. You will follow a woman. I have a question for you. No, would you follow a woman? Yes.

Why are you trying to pin me down to this? I have a question for you. Why would you follow a woman? Say you have a man that is about to take you into a battle that you know you're going to lose. No, why would you follow a woman? Oh, you don't believe in God, or huh? See, those two things aren't connected I have a question

Do you believe in God? No. So why is it that you don't You don't believe God exists No, probably not So do you believe in evil? Do I believe in evil? Yeah

Sure, the characteristic of evil, sure Yeah So you don't believe in good But you believe in evil Wait no, sorry, do I believe in God or good? Good Oh, I do believe in good But you believe in good

and evil, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So how can you believe in good and evil and not believe in God? Because I don't need the Bible to tell me that, you know, something like, can I cuss on here? No? No. We have kids, listen, man. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

I don't need the Bible. We're a beta. I'm a beta. I asked you, I don't need a Bible to tell me that women have bodily autonomy. I don't need a Bible to tell me that killing is wrong. I can kind of intuit some of these things. Wait, if the Bible didn't exist, would you know that, you know, killing is wrong? Where do you get your good from that if it's not from God?

If not from God, I can intuit certain moral positions, if they're bad. If God didn't exist, and if the Bible didn't exist, would you know that killing is wrong or right? Like, would you just not know? You wouldn't have any sort of intuition about it. Where do you get your good from if you don't believe there is a God? My mom, from women. Your mother? From women.

Yeah, I follow women. Your mother is good? No, women. I just follow women all the time. So do you have love? Yeah. You have love? Do I have love?

Yeah. Do you love Donald Trump? No. So how you have love then? I don't have to love everybody. Where do you get that idea from? Wait, I have to love everybody? If you don't love all, you love none.

Oh, so you love Kamala Harris? Yeah. Do you love James? I love all. Latisha James? Absolutely. Okay. So how is it possible for you to love song?

but not all. I don't think I have to love everybody. Why not? Because I can be selective with my love. Where do you get that from? I don't know. I love my mom, but I don't love Hitler. It's, yeah.

But how did you make that decision, though? Oh, but you don't believe in God or huh? No, no. Oh, okay. But you believe in hell. No. You believe in evil. Sure, yeah.

I mean, how do you define evil? And where does evil come from? Where does evil come from? I think human individual actions. I don't think, I think when something evil happens, it's not always because of some figure that is causing that to happen. Individuals are responsible for their own actions and can be evil on their own. That's amazing. You don't think so?

So, can I ask you, where does evil come from for you? And so, so you were raised up by a Muslim father and an atheist, a Christian mother, atheist? Agnostic mother, yeah. And so you've taken the side, believe what your mother believes, so you're, you're raised. You don't believe there's a guy. You don't believe there's a hell or evil, right? I came to that position on my own. But you can't.

No, I did. So let me ask, because of time, there were a keen rally this weekend, right? Why do some people call the Great White Hope a king? What do you mean by the Great White Hope? You don't know who the Great White Hope is? Who's the Great White Hope? There's only one.

Is it Trump? There is a dream team, but then there's a Great White Hope. Is that what you call Trump? And that Great White Hope is Donald Trump. The dream team is Trump, Netanyahu, and Putin. Whose dream team is that? Hitler's dream team? The World Green Team, right?

But let me ask, why do they call him, do you call him keen to? I think that Donald Trump wants to consolidate power like a king, yes. Do you call Donald Trump king? I don't think he is a king. I think he wants to be a king, though. No. You don't call him king? He wants to be a king.

Why do, did he say he wanted to be a king? He acts like he wants to be a king. Did he say he wanted to be a king? All day yesterday, he was posting memes online of him as a king, yes. Did he say he wanted to be a king? Yep. So Donald Trump said he want to be a king. All day, I know king.

day he was posting memes of him as a king so you're saying Donald Trump said he wanted to be a king maybe not verbatim but he acts like he any yeah basically Donald Trump say he wanted to be a king all day on social media he was posting memes of him as a king he said he wants to be a dictator for day one maybe not a king now so let's get it clear let's get it very clear did Donald Trump say he wanted to be a king does dot can I ask you a question you didn't answer that question does Donald Trump posting all day him in king gear mean he wants to be a king or no Donald Trump say he wanted to be a king.

Yes, on King's Day. When did you hear Donald Trump say he wanted to be a king? Open up his Twitter right now. Open up his Twitter. When did you hear Donald Trump say he wanted to be a king? He never said he wants to be a king. So then why did you say he said it? He's posting all day about it. But why did you say he said it?

Okay, what if I, can I just be clear about this? Trump never said out of his mouth that he wants to be a king. You're right. But can you concede that he's posting all day himself in King Gear? And why do people call him a king? Because right when Donald Trump got into office, he began to act like he doesn't want the opposition party to exist. Over the past few months, he's targeted Act Blue, which is our fundraising mechanism. He's targeted institutions that are more liberal in his eyes.

He's gone after judges that he deems not sufficient enough. Who you call him, because of all his great work? No, what do you call it when the president goes after judges who disagree with him? What do you call it when the president doesn't want Congress to exist, doesn't want any checks on him? Yeah, he's acting like a king. What do you call it when he takes Jimmy Kimmel off the air and he's trying to suppress freedom of speech? Do you appreciate the amazing job that Donald Trump is doing for America? In what regard?

By putting America first. How is he putting America first? You don't see anything he's doing. I'm asking you. You don't see anything he's doing to put America first. Well, I'm asking you. No, I'm asking you. No.

Not one thing. You have to make the affirmative case. He's not doing one thing. No, you have to make the affirmative. case. I want to hear what your case is. What is he doing? And so how do you feel about Donald Trump deported illegal aliens? I think that deporting people who are here illegally and have committed crimes is a good thing. If you've committed a violent crime, that's a good thing.

But Trump has reallocated a lot of funds meant towards criminals, like actual criminals, towards people who are here and just trying to go through the proper processes. Like, are you okay when someone at a courthouse is plucked out while they're trying to get their citizenship and then deported in front of their kids? You're okay with that? 100%. Wait, so you don't think a path to citizenship should be available, even if somebody's trying? No. Should America put American first or illegal aliens first?

Obviously America. Why do you say obvious? Because we should always be putting America first in terms of how much money we're bringing in, in terms of the resources we can offer Americans at the bottom. What you're advocating for is deporting so many people that we actually lose resources. It would hurt the GDP. The CBO estimates a 500... If we sent the illegals back, would that be...

more job opening for the blacks. You mentioned the blacks. Yeah. Would the blacks go to work? You said yes, right? No, no, I'm answering your question. No, no, that would not happen. So if they said the illegal aliens back, then blacks would not go to work. Donald Trump has already sent two million illegal aliens back, according to his own administration. And black unemployment has gone up 20% since he took office.

So your theory is just not true. So you're saying that if Trump sent the illegal aliens back, the blacks would not go. go to work. It's not happening. He's sending them back. Why the black don't go to work? It's not that black people won't go to work. It's that a weakening job market hits black Americans first. Illegal immigrants are being deported at the highest rate in a while. Two million illegal immigrants have been deported under Trump, which is true, right? But you'd think because of that black unemployment would go down. But what's wrong with the black they won't take those jobs? No, no. It's not that they're not taking the jobs. It's that due to Donald Trump's tariffs and

deportations, the job market is really, really softening. So black Americans get affected everybody else going to work but the blacks why no black unemployment is up among my generation unemployment is up among everybody it's not that black people aren't going to work is that they're getting laid off so if we took away to welfare would the blacks go to work no i don't think it's that simple i don't think it maps that cleanly onto i don't think welfare is the reason why black people are why don't they work there black people do work what's wrong with the blacks nothing so uh nick is the is an anchor baby Are you an anchor baby?

Define anchor baby. Is that when your parent moves here just to... You know how your mother got pregnant over at Allahubal country? No, no, no. My mom is white. She got pregnant in America. Oh, she did? Yeah, my parents were both born in America.

Oh, your father, too? Yeah, what do you mean, Al-A-Habbar country? What do you mean? No, both of them were born here. My grandpa was born in Syria. He moved here. He started a business in the 90s, and now he employs 25 families. He, 25 families depend on him for their livelihood.

So when you're anti-immigration, those are the type of immigrants that you're talking about. He came here legally, but... So you're not an anchor baby. No. He's an anchor baby. Okay. And our anchor baby is when the woman gets pregnant in another country. And in like a minute before the baby drop out the womb, she stepped across the border.

My mom is white. My mom was born here. Why you look more white than you do al-a-laba people? Syrians are pretty white, dude. Oh, they are? Yeah, Syrians? are white and um not only are syrians white but like my dad is pretty white my mom is white i mean syrians aren't usually what do you mean alahu akbar people that's wild that's what they say

we're about to chop your neck off allahua and they kill you it also just means like they blow you up or something no no not always have you ever gone there to syria no there was a civil war that broke out like a decade ago so i wasn't able to go but alohaqbar i think generally means just glory to god it It doesn't, people say that normally. But why do they say it when it cut your head off? Because. Why are they glorify God for cutting your brains out? It's messed up.

I'm not a fan of, like, Islam broadly. But you have to understand, Islam in America is a lot different. Islam in America is a lot more toothless than what you see in the Middle East. Like, the Muslims in America are very nice. And so are they in the Middle East, but I'm saying. You don't think so? Have you ever met a Muslim? They're the nicest people.

Yeah, I've met one. One? Just one? I've met more than what. I've interviewed them. Do you like Muslims? But, yeah, I love the Muslims. Are they too like the... But they don't...

They hate the Christians and the Jews. Yeah, I mean, not like Christians don't have a lot of hate in their heart, too. I feel like a lot do. You agree that they hate the Christians and the Jews? Do Muslims in general... No, I wouldn't categorize like that. My dad doesn't hate Christians or Jews,

but are there Muslims in the Middle East that are anti-Semitic? Yeah, of course. Do you believe that the Muslims think... that the Christians and Jews are infidels and worthy of death. Do you agree with that? My dad doesn't think that. Do you agree with that, though? Oh, no, I don't agree that that's true, no.

That the Christian Jews. You love the Jews? Of course, yeah. You love the whites? Yeah, of course. And what's wrong with the blacks? You trapped, you got me there. No, I love everyone, except for Trump.

And how can you love everyone but Trump? That doesn't make sense. I was just sort of joking But no, I tend to love You love Trump? No, I don't wish ill on him I don't wish anything bad for that happened to him But I don't love him

And why don't you love Trump? I'm just ideologically opposed to most things Why could you just oppose without hating him? I don't hate him, I just don't love him You don't love him, you hate him That's the only thing that is this, love or hate Neutral, I'm neutral No neutral

No neutral No middle ground, either you love him or you hate him And why do you hate him So it's not that I hate Trump entirely Do you love him? No, but I would never... Whether you hate him? I would never wish ill will on Trump.

Sure, I hate Trump and here's why. Why can't you just disagree with his actions But not hate him? Because Donald Trump's actions are so severe That it's easy to hate him. Fine, I'll bite the bullet. It's easy to hate him And I hate him because of what he does.

Can I go... And so you hate him? Sure, yeah. Why can't you love him and disagree? Because he's hard to love. He's a hard person to love. Meaning what? Because he calls my side the enemy from within.

He calls us gnats that need to be taking care of. He calls us gnats. Did you hear that? Nuts. No, Nats. Nats? Like the bug. The little Nats thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I haven't heard that word of years. He called me a Nats. So he was talking to the U.S. military. He told you that you were a Nats. No, he called Democrats. He said Democrats are Nats that need to be taken care of. But he didn't know you. Why do you say he was talking to you? Because he hates Democrats. Are you a Democrat?

Yeah. You a Democrat? Yeah. How does your mother feel that you're a liberal Democrat? I normally men are conservative. My mom is fine with that. Yeah. So was my dad, by the way.

Really? Well, your dad, let your mother rule. I'm not surprised. That's not true. Not really. I'm not surprised. What is it like seeing your father being ruled by your mother? My dad wasn't ruled by my mom.

My dad has independence, too. What do you mean, ruled? What do you mean by ruled? Do you think my mom is like the queen of the house? What? Do you think my mom is like the queen of the house, like ruling everyone? Or no? Like, what do you have ruled?

It sounds like your mother, your father obey your mother, but your mother does not obey him. I think you're not used to hearing a relationship where both sides are actually equals. No such thing is equal. There's no such thing as equal. My mom and my dad are actually equals, and that seems to blow your mind to such a degree that you think my mom rules the house. But really quickly, can I go back? Your mother took you away from the Allah-Oqbal religion. That's good for you, right?

No. Do you think, wait, do you think I should be Allah-A-Aqbar religion? No, I don't think you should be what you want to be. Exactly. That's what my mom told me. That's exactly what my mom said. But your father shouldn't have told you there, not your mother. Well, my dad agrees too. Can I ask you, do you think Trump has hate in his heart? No. But he said at Charlie Kirk's funeral, he hates the other side.

Right, but not the way he meant. What did he mean? He fight against evil. But then he said it, he doubled down when he was speaking to the military. He called us Nats and he says, I hate my enemy. I hate the other side. So Trump hates the other side. Right, more than me. Because he's fighting against evil. He doesn't hate it in the way you hate him. He understands that it's not you, but the evil that's in you.

And so he's fighting against that. What do you think about, what's that black woman, insane black woman? What's her name? What's her name name? From Texas. The Democratic, Texas black woman. What are you thinking about Jasmine Cricket? I love Jasmine Crockett.

You do? Yeah. Why do you love cricket? I like Jasmine Crockett because she's a great communicator. She's a great orator for the Democratic Party, and she's powerful. But she hates white people. She appears to hate white people. No, she doesn't. She doesn't hate white people. She blamed her for everything.

No, she doesn't. Yes, she does. Name one thing that she said about white people where she hates them. That white people are, don't love the black, something like that. What are you talking about here? You're just pulling stuff out of thin air. Yeah, I can't think anything after hand. Because she doesn't hate white people. But let me ask, do you, what do you think about the attack above?

So you, do you believe racism is this? Yeah. And what's your proof? What is my proof that racism exists? I think racism exists both structurally in the system, but also individual racism. Where's your proof that racism is it? I've heard friends in high school back in Indiana say racist things. But like what, for example?

Back in high school in Indiana, a lot of my people that I, the people that I grew up with used to talk about black communities in very, very demeaning ways. And honestly, you're probably going to agree with what they would say, but they would say that black. black Americans are lazy they are they would say that black Americans need to stop sucking up welfare and get off their ass they do they would say that black Americans need to be grateful so tell me some races they said though that you're not telling me saying that black and speaking to true that saying that black you don't think black people need to get up off welfare and take care of themselves of course they do but saying that in a vacuum everyone needs to take care of themselves

how about the black people not more so than white people how about the blacks no not Not more than white people. Black don't need to take care of themselves? They do, but not more so than white people. Do black people need to get off welfare and take care of themselves? I reject the framing. What? I reject the framing.

I think that everyone needs to get off welfare and take care of themselves. Your framing of it is boxing me in. What you mean? Yes, black people need to get off welfare. How is that racist then to say that? No, because they're saying it in a vacuum. What does that mean they're saying in a vacuum? They're acting as if black people are uniquely lazy and uniquely reliant on welfare when

red states, do you know that red states are more reliant on welfare than blue states? Who is red states? I don't know them. States that vote. We're talking about the blacks, man. Yeah, I'm talking about, like, reliant on state, red states take in more welfare. What's your proof of racism?

My proof of racism is that as I was a kid, okay, a few things. If you want to go back to 2004, do you know the study where they tried to see if black names, like black-sounding names were able to get jobs in an easier or a harder way? It was way, way harder for people to get a job if they had a black-sounding name. Number two, when I was,

How is that racism? I would not hire a black person with a black sound of the name. That is just by definition racial profile. How is that? You're justifying racism. No. That's by definition racial profile. I wouldn't hire a black person with a black name because I already know they hate white people.

That's not true. And there's going to be a problem on my job. This is just insane. How is that racism though? When my friends in high school would say that black Americans should be grateful that they came over here on ships as slaves. Is that racist? You're not showing me proof of racism. I'm asking you.

Because of time, what he'll prove that racism is this. You're just justifying. The president of the United States said Obama wasn't born in America. How'd that racist? Because he's picking out Obama and saying he was born in Kenya. How's that racist? Because why did he choose Obama out of any president? How is that racist?

What is different about Obama? He ran for president. No, what's different about Obama in particular than any other president? He ran for president. There's one thing different about Obama. One thing different about Obama that's different. Oh, he's black. He's a fallen Messiah.

No, he's a black American. And what did Trump say? about him. But why is it racist to say that he were born in another country? Because he profiled the one black president to pick on. I don't know what that mean or how's that racist. You've been ready for president. When you run for president, you get attacked. Why didn't he say it about Biden? How is that racism? Why didn't he say it about Biden or Bush or anyone else? You're not answered that question. Because he chose the black president to do it with. Was he black? Obama? Uh-huh. Yeah, he was half black,

right? And did he run for president? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So why can't, why can't he say that then if he's I mean, Trump can say it, but the problem is, even after the birth certificate was proven by the state of Hawaii, Donald Trump was doubling down on the lie that Obama wasn't born in America, and this wasn't based off evidence. You have no proof of racism. No, this wasn't based off evidence. You haven't given me one out of proof of racism yet. One more time, and then I have some other stuff and some cause I want to get to for you. Yeah, so. Give me one proof of racism. So Trump. You were born in Indiana? Yeah. What part? Northwest Indiana. You ever got to Gary? Yeah, of course. I went to high,

Or I went to college in Gary for my first year or two. In Gary? Yeah, Indiana University Northwest in Gary. Oh, you were there? Yep. Okay. A messed up town, huh? Gary is not in great shape.

Yeah, it's not in great shape. And who messed it up? The government. No. Yeah. Uh-uh. The government. For my understanding, the steel industry was, like, that leaving, the flight of the steel industry

was what really caused a downfall of Gary. They made the black people go out of control? I don't know anything about that. They were violent, they attacked the white people, and everything. I don't know anything about that. I'm telling you I was there. You were there? I had a white friend.

You were attacking white people? Huh? Were you attacking white people? Uh-uh. I said the black, man. Do you see yourself as black? No. You're not black?

What do you mean? Do you see yourself as white? Yeah, sure, yeah, of course. How do you feel about the attack of white people? White people under genocide right now. From who? Who is genociding white people? The blacks and now the foreigners.

I thought most crime committed by black people is against other black people, not white people. And that's true, but they're beating up white, robbing them, stealing from their... I haven't seen that. Do you... Your drink is some coffee order, right? Yeah.

Is it black? Yeah. So you like coffee in the same color? You like your women? Oh, yeah. You like black women? Yeah, definitely. You date black women?

Do I date? I've never dated one, but I... Yeah, sure. I would, of course. Well, no, wasn't it? What? No wonder No wonder what

Amazing Do your parents know you like black women My dad Doesn't my mom does My aloh Akbar dad doesn't know Why doesn't your father know But your mother knows No they both

They both know I'm okay with anyone I'll date anyone You say your father Does he know or doesn't he know I was just joking Neither of them have talked to me About my love for black women

I don't know Once you go black You can't go back Is that what they say That's true Let me go to Mimi out of California

Mimi, you are on the air Is that your coffee? Water. Get your coffee? You can put it on to you. That's punchy coffee you drink. I made that coffee. You made this? I sell it. That's punchy's coffee. Go ahead. Mimi, welcome to the show. Hi, good morning, Jesse. Hey, Mimi.

And you know, I apologize. I didn't catch the name of the other, of the guest. Adam. Adam, good morning, Adam. Good morning, great to chat. Yes, of course. You know, I have a couple of questions. I think the first one that I was going to ask is you mentioned at the earlier top of the hour that there was a, oh, my gosh, I hate that my mind goes blank.

Oh, that the current administration is against free speech, for that there is kind of an undertone kind of questioning, you know, what? blurring or muskling the water in terms of free speech. Are you on a speaker phone, Mimi? A Bluetooth or something? I heard what you were saying about free speech, but keep going from there. Hello? Yeah, yeah, we can hear you now. Are you on a speaker or Bluetooth, Mimi?

No, no, no, no, no. My phone is just wonky. It's like trying to switch over. Is it an Obama phone? So I apologize about that. Huh? Is it Obama phone? It's not an Obama phone. You've got jokes, Jesse. But, okay, so free speech, the current administration, it currently isn't its strength in your eyes.

But let me ask you this. What is cancel culture? Is that just renaming opposition to free speech and saying that it's okay if you can cancel someone? Because I think that on the other side, on the right, we see, I mean, on the left, we see a lot of cancel culture. If you don't like somebody, it doesn't even matter their language or their speech, just obliterate them, act as though they become invisible. What is the difference between the violation of free speech and cancel culture? See, that's actually a really good question. I would say that cancel culture comes from cultural power on one side, and what we're seeing right now is the executive branch being weaponized to silence people.

So just to back up, I'm against cancel culture. I thought that liberals took it too far when they were canceling everybody. for everything. I think there are some cases where it's normal, but now that you see the culture shift towards the rights, you saw the same type of cancel culture when people were making jokes about Charlie Kirk. Some people got fired for really, really dumb reasons, just making jokes. But my problem isn't with the cultural change of cancel culture. That's a separate conversation. I see the Trump administration as weaponizing the executive branch to go after, let's say, universities that disagree with them. Like universities in my home state of Illinois or universities

in California, going after law firms that disagree. with them. Act blue. Comedians that disagree with them. Donald Trump has tweeted Jimmy Kimmel's name dozens of times. Why is the president going after some random comedian? And then when that comedian gets taken off the air, because of Brendan Carr, it kind of scares me. So there's a difference between

the cultural power, the wielding of cultural power versus actual institutional power to silence people. But, okay, so to your point, you're mentioning his tweets. He's not using any of his executive powers or any of his, um, his positional powers to do anything.

He is, you know, tweeting something, no, no, tweeting something is part of that cultural exchange that you just mentioned. Well, okay, so- He didn't ever say anything. He didn't ever execute any of his powers to do it. He just mentioned how he tweeted something. Listen, it's not a part of- But everybody else, how other people respond, again, this is the problem with-

this... No, no, no, let me jump in. Let me jump in really quickly. What he did, a few weeks ago, was tweet out Pam Bondi's name. I don't know if you guys have seen this post. Jesse, have you seen this post? He said, Pam, I want you to target these three people. And he had three names on there.

It was Adam Schiff, Letitia James, and James Comey. Did you say I want you to target them? He said, I want you to go after these people. Yes, so right after this happened... So did he say, I want you to target them? He said, he literally said, we need to speed up the process. And you want to know what happened... Do you say I want you to target them?

The federal prosecutor... Can I hold you over? Are you able to stay a little bit longer? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to hold them over for at least another 15 minutes or so, all right? I mean, can you hold on? Sure.

All right, you need to be fish your phone. So listen, I have some things that Jasmine Cricket said. Okay. And Jasmine Cricket admitted that she's tired of the white tears over D.E.I. which she said comes from mediocre white boys is that racism?

Wait, wait, wait, so you're going to say... Is that racism? No. That's not racism? No. So if a white lady said that about the blacks would that be racism? No, not inherently.

That would be racist if a white lady said it. Saying that people are mediocre? No, saying that... Here's my problem. She said that she's tired of white tears about the EI. probably shouldn't, you probably shouldn't inject racist things. She said comes from mediocre white boys.

That's from CNN on February 2020. You're saying that's not racism. She shouldn't inject racism. Is that racism? No, it's not racism. Okay. What, can I say, though, can I say, you say that Jasmine Crockett hates all white people, but you have to find these random quotes.

But when Donald Trump literally says himself, I hate all Democrats, that's not enough for you, for him to hate all Democrats. Like, you're grasping at straws to try to say that Jasmine Crockett hates all white people, literally grasping at straws, but Trump said with his own lips that he hates all Democrats. Do you think he hates all Democrats? No. Do you think Jasmine Crockett hates all white people? Yes. So what's happening here? We caught Gasman's crazy. Okay. So I want to go back to Mimi. All right. Some calls here. Um, Mimi, thank you for holding. Go ahead. Yes, Jesse. And I would like to apologize about the issue with my phone. I have fixed it just for the record.

And now you sound clear. Thank you. Can I respond to what we were talking about before? Yes. Mimi, I really apologized to cut you off. There was something I was trying to say, and then I want to hear what you have to say as well. We went to a commercial break last time. So Donald Trump sent out this true social post aimed at Pam Bondi, and he said, Pam, I want you to go after these three people.

It was Leticia James, James Comey, and then Adam Schiff. Within weeks, a federal prosecutor resigned, and a new federal prosecutor was appointed to specifically go after, Letitia James, James Comey, and Adam Schiff. So you were trying to say that Donald Trump isn't actually directing people to do things, but for the first time in American history, we have a president directing his attorney general on social media to go after people.

Biden never did that, to Merrick Garland. Yeah, but you know what? It's interesting that you say that because possibly, is it possible that if he's saying that you need to take a look at these people, you need to take a look at their behaviors and their actions, Is that wrong that he does that? No, maybe putting it on truth, social, post, or whatever,

maybe we need to start seeing some of the decisions that politicians are making out in public. Because I'll be honest with you, as a political commentator, you and I both know that in politics, everything is cloaked under a closed door, and we as the American people have no idea as to what is going on. Do you think that just because he posted that on true social, that there aren't hundreds of politicians that aren't using their power to push a button and then all of a sudden all kinds of things are happening? No. That would be, being that you're a political commentator, that would be very irresponsible. I'm not denying that corruption does happen, but this is unprecedented.

Not even necessarily corruption. It's just more so use of power. Okay, but what Donald Trump is doing is by definition unprecedented. You said, is it really that bad for the president to be posting this stuff? Yes, there is supposed to be a separation between the presidency and the Department of Justice or the Attorney General. Merrick Garland was never directed by President Biden as much as people want to say, but the fact that Trump is putting his thumb on the scale to make sure that his political opponents are indicted. And just to add insult to injury, this indictment was four or five days before the statute of limitations was up, meaning Trump and his team saw, hey, the statute of limitations is right about to be up. We have to put our thumb on the scale and force the Eastern District of Virginia to prosecute our political opponents.

That never happened under Biden, and that is not what America's about. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Not the president calls you guilty until you can prove that you're innocent. You know? I think there's a lot of assumptions there that you're making. There's a lot of jumps that you're making in terms of what was done and what wasn't done. He said it. What was said and what was said, doesn't said, because you got a post.

Um, there's a lot of assumptions, but I get it. Um, they, the, the mind has a tendency to run wild. No, I'm not running wild. Trump meant to send that as a DM to Pam Bondi. They literally said, we meant to send this as a DM. We meant to direct Pam Bondi to do this. What assumption am I filling in? Can you name any gap that I'm, that I'm missing here?

I think that for, for you to say that, again, that there is, he is going into their office and saying, you absolutely have to. do this. If he is directing people to start looking at things, he absolutely in his power should. And if it's unprecedented, shame on all of those other presidents that haven't done it. You're saying... But it's interesting. Okay. So possibly you're making a point about, you know, what he's doing as unprecedented. But if you care about this nation, if you care about your job, What you do as the, you know, kind of the leader in charge, you have to look out for things that may be questionable.

It's not just that it's unprecedented. It's that it's un-American as well. The point of the presidency is to have checks and balances on you so you can't target people, target political opponents. Was it un-American for Obama to go after the Tea Party? Did Obama direct his attorney general to go after the Tea Party? No, was it un-American for Obama to go after the Tea Party? Obama didn't direct his attorney general. Did he direct as attorney general?

You're not asking you one that is more relevant. Is it un-American, wasn't an American for Obama to go after the tea party? I reject the framing. What? Obama didn't weaponize his department of justice against the... Did Obama ask his attorney general? You're like a white person. I don't know what that mean.

Did Obama go, was it un-American for Obama to go after the Tea Party? I'm not going to be boxed into this framing. when I'm making a point that is very valid. What does that mean framing? Because you're framing the question in such a way that's loaded. No, I'm just asking the question. No, you're loaded. Like, it's like, it's like, uh,

was it? Do the cops? Un-American for the Father Messiah to go after the Tea Party? Do the cops know you beat your wife? You didn't ask a question. Do the cops know you beat your wife? Was it un-American for Obama just to go after? Did the cops know that you beat your life?

Was it un-American for Obama to go out to- Do you see how my frame- No, no, do you see how my framing, pre-supposes that you've done bad things? My framing pre-supposes like you've done bad things. Because I think, Adam, I get it. I get it. You're educated

and you have a way of being able to explain certain factions of the English language that asks the question. And then you call it something so that you don't have to answer it. So it's interesting because what you

don't realize is that a lot of the stuff that you're, that the left is leaning on has nothing to do with facts and actual basis it has a lot to do with everybody's feeling where did i lie what's one unfactual thing i said because you don't like the question so now you're going to use the word framing no he's loading the question he's loading the question okay i'm not loading the class listen you're black i don't know how to load a question man you have all these arsenal and then you say you don't weaponize anything you you you you say that The right is weaponizing everything, but you have this whole arsenal, but you don't call it arsenal.

You're like, those aren't bullets. Those are marshmallows. You know, and it's like, stop it. Never under Biden or Obama did they direct their attorney general to do this. And you admitted it was unprecedented, but then you justified it and you said you wish more presidents and going after their opponents. Unprecedented is not a bad thing. It is when you're doing unprecedented. No, it's not.

He's turning our country into an authoritarian regime. You can't just weaponize people. Let me do this. Because of time. I got to run here. I am so sorry No, no, no, no, you don't fire It's just I'm looking at the clock here

Okay, let me just say this There was two other questions that I wanted to ask And I'll say them really quickly Okay Really quickly you mentioned Trump with Obama And the fact, you know, his citizenship Now I would ask, are you a racist?

I'm not, there's no attack in this It's just a question, but are you a racist Because when you brought up the unemployment rate The one thing you brought up was the black employment race. So it's interesting that everyone always wants to weapon, not use blacks as their weapon against the American people, and then say that they're not racist. First of all, and then second of all, I would ask you, do you love America? Yes. Because this is your nation that you claim. Do you love America? Yes. There's actually no other question behind it. That was

just the question. Do you love America? Of course. That's all I got. To her first question, why do white people always use the blacks when they want to bring up unemployment at all? Why the blacks? You were claiming that immigrants displaced black workers, so I was responding with a stat on black unemployment. We were talking about immigration and you were saying that black workers were being displaced. This was all in the context of the conversation. Didn't you say that earlier? I may have.

Yeah, I mean, it's a common point. But you don't care that the illegal is taking the black job. No, I deny that it's happening. But why would you deny it? Because black unemployment is up and deportations are up. But would it be up if the illegal went back home? They are going back home, but it's still up. Would there be more job?

Would there be more a job? Donald Trump has deported two million people and black unemployment is still up. And me what I know, are you a racist? No, I'm not a racist. And why you say you're not? Because I love everyone. You love Donald Trump? Everyone except for Donald Trump.

You love Netanyahu? Everyone except for Netanyahu. You love Putin? No. So you don't love anyone? Well, but let's ask a real question. Do you love black people? Yes.

You are willing to love black people, but you don't love Trump. But which is fine, you don't have to. But what's interesting is that if you love black people, when are you going to start telling the truth as an American citizen? Because here's the thing. Making everything sound pretty doesn't love people. You don't love black people. I mean, I don't know you, but I don't think that you love black people.

I think that it feels good and it's easy to say. Do you think Jesse Lee Peterson loves black people? Everybody's saying it culturally. Do you think Jesse Lee Peterson loves black people? What was your question? What was your question? Do you love black people? Yes, of course.

Then why do you use them to make negative points? Like what? What are you talking about? You said they won't even work when the illegal go home? That's not what I said. I said they're being fired. Unemployment is going up, meaning they're being fired. You said they won't work even when the illegal go home. I never said that. that. Why don't they just take no job then? Because

illegals being deported isn't increasing openings in the labor market. Your claim is that deportations will help black Americans. And you're saying that they won't. And I'm saying that deportations are already happening and black Americans are still suffering. That's not me saying that black people won't work. And if you want to say that anybody here doesn't love black Americans, I think that it's the way Jesse Lee Peterson is talking. Do you even think you're black? No. You don't think you're black. I never think

about that. Okay. Why should I think about that? Because you're running a show that's based on a lot of race issues and you seem to be blind to your own race. Why should I think about that? Why should you think about, I mean, you should keep in mind. No, why should I think about that? You shouldn't, but you should keep in mind your race. Why? Because you talk about a lot of racial issues on the show.

But why should I keep it in mind, though? I'm just saying you talk about racial issues on the show. Because it's important, it's an important context, because you talk about black Americans. Why is color important at all? I'm not saying it's important. The way that you talk about black Americans and your skin color is relevant. Okay, I gotta take the next call. produce and tell me to move it mimi thank you so much yes it was it was a pleasure nice to meet

you adam thank you for the discussion thank you mimi okay amazing and how do you feel about the israel and palestine war war ending it hasn't ended palatine war they're already fighting again it hasn't ended they're already fighting again who israel just shot over the border and hamas is killing dissidents in Gaza. Who's fighting? Israel already shot rockets over the border, and Hamas is killing pro-Israel dissidents in their country. Hamas is not disarming.

Should they end the water? Of course. Okay. Amazing. And would you ever obey a woman? Yeah. I mean, obey a woman? Yeah.

Sure. You would? Yeah. Okay. I don't know what, in what context? Let me go to, what? In what context? Like, if a woman is telling me to do something and it benefits me, would I obey a woman?

I don't really obey anyone, but I could see a context where I would. I don't... And so, when Obama targeted the team party, was that wrong? When you beat your wife, was that wrong? I'm asking you, when Obama targeted the team party, was that wrong? If he did, then yes. I'm sorry? If he did, then yes, it was wrong.

It was wrong? Yeah. Can I explain something really quickly? What? You know how when I ask you a question and I'm like, do the cops know that you beat your wife? In that question, I'm already assuming that you did something wrong and beat your wife. You get how I'm like assuming something in the question? But I'm not assumed when you bomb a child and tea party.

But when you ask your questions sometimes, you load them with assumptions. I don't load them. And then you're asking for a yes or no, though. You mentioned a black thing, right? I'm black hair and ace of space, right? And black people speak differently than the whites. Okay. Okay, let me go to Tiffany out of Virginia.

Tiffany, you're on with Adam. Good morning, Jesse. Good morning, Adam. How are you? Good morning. Thanks for morning. Good morning, Tiffany. I'm so excited.

I turned in this morning like I always do, and I saw Adam. I saw you on something I cannot remember. You were debating someone, and then you came up on my timeline, and I was about the single message because I said, this guy needs a lesson. And then I saw you this morning. I said, I have to talk to you. So first off, Adam, I want to say, I commend you for your, you know, your attention to politics

and your interest in it as a young age. That's very important. However, you are, how old are you, sir? 23. 23. Okay. I have forgotten more than you have ever learned. Jesse has forgotten more than I've ever learned.

I'm sure he has. So I feel like you are too young. Like you were born after 2000. So it's a lot of stuff that you don't understand and your generation doesn't understand. And you guys are going off emotions. And in my opinion, it makes me infuriated that you guys, your generation is tearing down decades of process of progress that people like Jesse and a lot of our black people or a lot of just people. in general have moved like I grew up in the 80s and 90s we did not have this kind of division it was not this kind of hate it was it's something is wrong where you guys are

y'all don't know where to put your anger you guys are so privileged that you don't even realize your privilege um the liberal people are white you have white privilege yeah you have white privilege yeah but you have a la oba can i respond to what she just said yeah uh were you are can i respond now were you done talking? I have wrote it down I just wanted to get out like I don't know a lot about you but from what I've seen so far

it just seems like you have a lack of understanding of stuff only because of your age and so you're looking at things from a perspective that's not well I want to respond so you said that my generation is tearing down decades of progress

but I reject that framing as well because I'm 23 years old Mr. Freeman. Let me just, let me just respond. But what framing. Jesse, I understand what he's saying. He's using words and philosophy for arguments. No, no, no.

I know what he needs. Let me just say. Let me just say. Hold on. Let him respond because of time. I just want to get her good response in here. Hold on, Timothy, let him respond because of time. You tried to say, yeah, you tried to claim that my generation is tearing down decades of progress,

but I reject that entirely. I'm 23 years old, and the system has been failing Americans for longer than, I have been alive. My generation is trying to help. And if you want to talk about division, you want to talk about division, when I was 11 years old in 2013, I saw the president of the United States claiming Obama wasn't born in America, making up nicknames for the other side, chanting, lock her up. There is nothing like that that's been seen in American politics before. So you can't blame my generation for reversing progress. When my generation grew up watching the president of the United States normalizing the type of vitriol and hatred that we see on a

daily basis. Should we pay health insurance for illegal aliens? Insurance? No, but an emergency, yes. Should we pay medical bills for illegal aliens? Emergency, yes. For illegal aliens? Yes.

You want to know why? So if someone broke into your home illegally and they got sick, you would pay for the medical cover? Would you pay for the medical cover? No, but this is the- And why not? This is the problem. Why not, though?

Well, let me describe. Why you would pay for the illegal and broken to your home? Because my home is in a hospital. a hospital. No, why would you pay for the illegal and broken to your home? My home isn't a hospital. It's your country a hospital. No.

So why we want to pay it for your country? Because we're talking about hospitals in particular. No, no, no. I'm talking about illegal. I know. And free medical coverage. When an illegal immigrant goes to a hospital with an emergency. I know they get free healthcare.

And listen. That should not happen. Let me respond. When they go to a hospital with an emergency and they get treated, that's because Medicaid covers it. Now, if Medicaid did not cover it, those costs would be passed off to the doctors in the hospital, meaning those costs would be passed. Let me finish. Where is the Medicaid?

Where's the money covered from that? The Medicaid did. I'm trying to make a point. I'm trying to make a point. If Medicaid didn't cover illegal aliens in hospitals, that exact costs would be passed down to consumers. We passed down to us next time we go to the hospital. So Medicaid actually lowers the cost at hospitals because- The point is we shouldn't pay for illegal aliens at all.

Should they just bleed out on the street? Yeah. Okay. That's one position today. We didn't tell them to come here, right? No. Okay. I rest my gaze. Okay.

So let me ask, should Trump gather the illegal aliens from schools and churches and homes and war market all that? Why not? Because I think that from schools in particular, those are likely going to be children who are not committing crimes. They are going to grow up and be productive members of society, which are net. tax raisers. Why should they send those children back to their own home? Because these children are going to be productive parts of America. But we don't need them to be productive.

We do. We need. Unemployment is going up. We need more labor right now very clearly. Yeah. Is unemployment up or down? So they should not and gather illegal aliens children? Is unemployment up or down since Trump's office?

Should they gather illegal alien children? Is unemployment up or down? You're not asking that question. Should they gather illegal children? Right. Why not? Because they're not dangerous and they help the country long term. They're illegal though.

They're criminals. But our system, no, they're not. Our system is investing in them via schools, and we want to reap the benefits long term. Why not invest in a, which is proper, which is the right thing, to invest in American citizens, legal citizens, or illegal aliens, which is right? Citizens. It's supposed to do that offends you guys so much. It doesn't even blink an eye to us because we saw this stuff growing up. And then also, you guys are just fighting a wrong problem.

I got it. I want to ask a question. Okay. Jesse, do you think the caller Tiffany should be able to have a job in America? Is you a citizen? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so you think women should be able to have a job?

Not if they are married with children. Tiffany, do you have children? Sorry, you don't have to say it. Yes, I have children. So do you think that Tiffany should be able to hold a job? Not when they're married to have children. Okay, so Tiffany, Jesse Lee Peterson doesn't think you should hold a job. Not when, especially when they have young children, I think that it should go back that way. Really?

what I'm saying. Yes, that's what I'm saying. Welcome to America, buddy. It's 2025. Welcome to Saudi Arabia. Women aren't allowed to work in Saudi Arabia. Listen, Adam. The generation that I grew up in, like you guys, after 2000, you guys are a new breed.

You guys don't understand how things work. When we grew up, we didn't have daycares and stuff. We had aunty's cousins, aunts, grandmas, everybody with the community, and the mothers didn't work. My grandmother was the only woman in my family of nine kids that worked. The only woman, because she wanted to, she was a nurse. My mother didn't work either, man. The way that you guys speak, you want to turn America into what Jesse Lee Peterson would call an al-a-huacbar country. When I look at Saudi Arabia, let me finish, when I look at some of these countries in the Middle East that try to suppress the rights of women, suppress the rights of women to work or minorities or any of these groups, they don't want equality.

If your mother worked who you were a kid? Yes. Your mother were who you a baby? She had to raise me in her and my dad. But she wasn't raising you if she was at work. Yeah, I mean... Who took care of you while she were at work? My grandparents for a bit.

I went to daycare. She didn't love you, huh? No, she did. Look how I've turned out. I've turned out great. I'm sitting across from Jesse Lee Peterson. But Adam, John, Adam,

is no one's saying you can't. You keep equating it with can't. It's no one saying that you can't, a woman can't do those things. If Jesse had it his way, women wouldn't be able to work. Thank you, Tiffany. If your mother loved you, would she have stay home and work and taking care of you? She loved me so much that she worked for me.

Why is your framing so backwards? She went out and she worked. If my mother loved me. If your mother had loved you, would she have stayed home and raised you? See, you're doing the framing again. What do you mean? If you didn't beat your wife, would she have left you? I didn't ask you about your wife.

No, if you didn't beat her, would she have left you? No, the question, if your mother had loved you, would she have stayed home or? My mother loved me so much as she went out to work. You didn't answer to the question. Okay. Yes, yes. My mom did love me and she did help me, yes. Renee, you are on air from Texas with Adam.

Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, Renee. So I got a question. Did you just say it a little while ago that the Biden administration didn't weaponize the DOJ against Trump? Yep. Okay. So you think that Trump administration weaponized them because you saw something in writing? No, not just because I saw something in writing, because Donald Trump specifically asked Pam Bonnie to target three people.

And then after he sent out that post, Eric Siebert, the federal prosecutor from the Eastern District of Virginia, resigned so that Donald Trump could appoint Lindsey Halligan, who was a loyalist. Then Lindsey Halligan, a first-time federal prosecutor, went after two out of the three people that Trump requested. You don't have to connect any dots here. And I want to ask you, when did Biden do that? Correct Merrick Garland. Well, first of all, I reject the framing of your question. Okay. Second.

Where am I wrong? Second. All of everything you're saying, you're not wrong. I'm just being a smart. I know, I know. The second, the second, the, the, everything you just talked about of how you know happened because of something was because you saw something in writing, correct? Because of the actions that followed the writing, yeah. Where you saw, where you saw Trump directing what you're saying doing in writing, correct?

It was meant to be a DM. yep okay so are you saying because you didn't see something in writing from the bide administration to go after trump that's why you don't believe it's not just that there's nothing in writing there's nothing that he said yeah yeah yeah what you how do you ask how do you respond to his there's nothing that biden said in writing you're right okay okay right do you really infuse so i don't really want to i don't really want to just you know hone in on your age and but that's such a naive way of can you point it to me then point it to me with bide and put it on yeah i And I can point it to you by the amount of time Trump has been in and out of courts, charges against him from the New York State.

Wait, you've got to be kidding me. So you don't have any writing from Biden? So you just took me down that entire question chain. You don't have a single thing from Biden. No, but so you don't have anything. The entire question chain, you just drug me down. I don't need it, right? No, you do need it.

The entire question chain that you just drug me down, you were like, oh, so you think just because something's in writing that it can be this. I was expecting you to have some silver bullet at the end. You have nothing for me. You have nothing for me. Hold on a second. What I am saying is you are so naive to think that you needed in writing. That is my point. My point is that you only believe

it because you saw it direct. I only believe it because Trump said it. I would, oh, okay, I would think more that you would need more proof and actions, correct? There were actions. You have no proof for Biden. actions as well as while Biden was president. But because you didn't see it in writing, you don't believe it's true.

What action did Biden take? Right. That is what being young and naive is all about that. What action did Biden take? If you're going to call me naive, you tell me what action Biden took. Well, you do know that his whole administration, you do know that while he was in. Okay, first of all, you understand that the reason why Trump got so many votes to go down. I'm going to ask you one more time.

What action did Biden take? You are bringing me down these lines of questioning and you don't have anything. Does this guy have nothing or is it just me? Jesse, does this guy have nothing or... No, I reject the framing of your question. Okay, yeah. I reject the frame of your question. Yeah, I reject it.

Okay, let me reframe my... I'll do what you do. I'll do what you've been doing for an hour and a half and just say you reject something. Because Jesse Lee Peterson's questions, the way he frames them are absurd. I'm not making this up. He will sit there and you'll ask me. No, you just use these talking points of, well, I reject it. I don't know where you learned or where you saw it, but it's really undis dishonest.

This call was embarrassing for you. You tried to take me down a line of question, and you had nothing. You had nothing. Renee, because the line of questioning is saying you need to see something in writing to believe it. I'm more of I need to see action. And then you couldn't point to actions. What action did Biden take? You don't think the bullcrap stuff of going after Trump for four years wasn't directly from the Democratic top?

It wasn't. It was from a grand jury in New York. You don't think, okay. What action did Biden take? What action to Biden take? You really don't think that these Democrats don't get together and just plan shit to, oh, excuse me, Jesse. You don't think they don't plan stuff to go against the, the, you don't think. Can I just say, can I have one moment to speak for just like 20 seconds?

Okay. So I have pointed to a Trump post where he directs something to happen and then it happens two weeks later and apparently that's not enough evidence. When I flipped the question back on our caller and I said, hey, can you point to me anything Biden said? He said, it's not about what Biden said. It's about what Biden did. So I said, okay, what actions did Biden take? I'm going to ask you one more time, what actions did Biden take? Okay.

Again, you just think because you saw it in writing that you have to just, you have to believe. Jesse, he's not answering. He has nothing, right? Can you just agree with you? Well, I reject the framing of your question. You can't just, that's not an out. I reject the framing of your question. Thanks, Renee. Renee, I got to run, man, because of time. And there was so many to call.