The Adam Mockler Show - They ate themselves alive.

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Starting point is 00:00:32 On my channel, we've been covering how Tucker Carlson interviewed Nick Fuentes, which in turn pissed off a lot of the more center-right figures who defend Trump, but who realize that Trump has paved the way for all of these far, far-right movements to become mainstream. People like Ben Shapiro, who, yes, is relatively center-right compared to the far-right movements popping up, Ben Shapiro is holding the, line because he, along with every American, every human, has an incentive to stop anti-Semitism from spreading stop people like Nick Fuentes and his far-right Groyper movement from gaining power. But

Starting point is 00:01:08 the thought experiment that I want to run you through regards Ben Shapiro's moral clarity surrounding this issue. Ben Shapiro has had a lot of moral clarity for a while surrounding Nick Fuentes and his hatred of Jewish people, as he should. Nick Fuentes is a despicable human being who hates black people, Jewish

Starting point is 00:01:25 people, all minorities. If you think that you'd be safe, you're not. That's the mistake that some people make. They think that, oh, Nick Fuentes went, no, no, no, conservatives watching this, you'd be gone to. But the point is, if the Trump administration, and if Nick Flentz were only ragging against trans

Starting point is 00:01:41 people in this thought experiment, say that they wanted trans people to be tortured, they wanted trans people to have experiments run on them. Would Ben Shapiro speak out with as much moral clarity as he does is when it affects him personally with this anti-Semitism? And I know it's a really

Starting point is 00:01:57 crude way of thinking about it, but I feel like these conservatives don't speak up about the bigotry that bubbles up in their own movements until it backfires and hits them personally. You know another really good example of this is Vivek Ramoswamy in a New York Times guest essay.

Starting point is 00:02:13 Yes, a New York Times guest essay from this MAGA Trump-Lite Vivek Ramaswamy guy. He wrote quote, if like Mr. Fuentes you believe that Hitler was really effing cool or if you publicly call Usha Vance a slur for Indian people, then you have no place in the conservative movement, period.

Starting point is 00:02:31 It is another example of somebody realizing the bigotry is affecting them. So when Vivek Ramoswami realized, whoa, there's a lot of anti-Indian bigotry popping up in the Nick Fuentes movement, the far right movement, and now it's becoming kind of normalized, kind of mainstream. Now Vivek Ramoswami has a bunch of clarity about this. He did not speak up about cruelty when it was trans people. He did not speak up about cruelty towards black people. He did not speak up when they were throwing around fake statistics to make all black people seem violent.

Starting point is 00:03:00 He did not speak up when it was random teachers being targeted by libs of TikTok for just being free. He did not speak up when gay people wanted to express their rights and were being bullied for it. But all of the sudden, all of the sudden, anti-Indian bigotry is the line. Which, listen, you should not be a bigot. I'm not advocating for any bigotry. I think all bigotry is awful. We draw the line at all bigotry. So I'm not advocating for anything here.

Starting point is 00:03:24 I'm just saying it's really. convenient that that is where you draw the line. Leah puts it in a really solid way. She says there's a set of actors in the Republican Party who seem to believe they can hold the line against anti-Indian racism and anti-Semitism while then engaging in a free-for-all hate fest against Haitian, Somalian, and Muslim immigrants. And that's just not how it works. Such a satisfying way to put it. You can't just engage in a free-for-all hate fest on a daily basis where Elon Musk is constantly boosting the most vile rhetoric about black Americans and trans Americans, Mexican Americans, immigrants of all kinds, except for white immigrants from

Starting point is 00:04:04 South America for some reason. And then you try to draw the line right when it affects you. This person puts it well, no, no, no, you misunderstood. I said, fuck your feelings. My feelings are very important and must be handled gently, like a tiny little hummingbird. Matthew Gertz, not Matthew Gates, but Matthew Gertz said, movement in disarray over whether to discriminate against Muslims or whether to discriminate against Muslims and Jews or Muslim Jews and Indians. Which one, they don't know like which group to discriminate against because Ben Shapiro was trying to hold the line right when it affects him personally. Let me just play a minute of this. I actually do find the infighting

Starting point is 00:04:44 to be kind of interesting. I've been covering it a lot and I've been following it. The context for this is that Ben Shapiro was speaking at the Heritage Foundation. Remember, the Heritage Foundation crafted Project 2025. They are the backbone of conservative policy. Then Kevin Roberts came out and refused to condemn Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes' interview. He did it in a really sloppy way. He was like borderline running defense for Nick Fuentes' craziest belief, saying that they're a welcome in the conservative movement, that they're a big enough tent to welcome Nick Fuentes. Then they were mass resignations from the Heritage Foundation.

Starting point is 00:05:20 People were confronting him at this town hall that they held. Then he issued three different apologies. I mean, this was all a mess. Now they're having Ben Shapiro speak and play cleanup. Let me just play a minute to give you some context. The conservative movement is in flux. It's in flux because of the systemic failure by conservative leaders to do what any good leaders must do. Define and maintain the foundations of that movement.

Starting point is 00:05:43 He's actually very, very right here. The onus is on people like Donald Trump. People like J.D. Vance, mainly. I mean, I wish people like Elon Musk, if he was actually a sentient to human being and not just a vehicle for ketamine the entire time. But J.D. Vance should speak out with absolute clarity. They're saying slurs about J.D. Vance's wife, Ushah, and he won't speak out with clarity. So Ben Shapiro is right when he says the leaders of the movement must speak out. In flux.

Starting point is 00:06:09 It's in flux because of the systemic failure by conservative leaders to do what any good leaders must do, define and maintain the foundations of that movement. This is our job. If we care about conservatism, if, as Heritage Foundation proclaims, our goal ought to be to formulate and promote conservative public policies based on the principles of free enterprise, limited government, individual freedom, traditional American values, and a strong national defense, then we must stand up against those who would pervert and twist the conservative movement into a movement without principles, or worse, a movement that promotes the very opposite of the principles that conservatives hold dear. conservatism means something. And if we refuse to stand for it and fight for it and defend it, it will disappear. And with it, so will the last best hope of mankind. The alternative is a conspiracism that demoralizes, a conspiracism that argues that our ideals embedded in the Declaration of Independence are insufficient, that our systems embedded in the Constitution frustrate human purpose. Okay, okay, I won't play too much Ben Shapiro. He's going on his normie conservative rant. He wants to uphold the more Reagan-esque party. So when I talk about this divide,

Starting point is 00:07:15 between the far right and the center right. There is some interplay between them. Donald Trump, Ben Shapiro, a lot of these people have created space, have normalized and allowed this far right movement to grow and bubble up by allowing this type of bigotry to just run rampant in their movement. Of course, Donald Trump fans the flames of these far right movements, tells the proud boys to stand back and stand by. Ben Shapiro never had the moral clarity about that that he's talking about now.

Starting point is 00:07:45 So he's calling on J.D. Vance. He's not saying J.D. Vance, but he wants the leaders of the conservative movement on mass to stand up against this type of bigotry. But he didn't have the moral clarity necessary when that happened. So I'm not saying that Ben Shapiro didn't make way for the far right movement because he did. But I'm just saying there is a delineation between what they believe. And it mainly is just whether or not you should hate Jewish people or Indian people. Now, to continue, friend of the show Tim Miller points out, I have to say that Ben, Ben, Shapiro continues to be a voice of reason in these intra-maga disputes, mostly because the people

Starting point is 00:08:21 he's in coalition with have con totally batshit insane. But having one prominent non-bat shit voice on the MAGA right is better than zero. And this isn't us praising Ben Shapiro for being right on every issue or anything. But in these conversations with the Daily Wire, he tends to actually give some pushback, like in this clip here. You know, if you have a purely creedal idea of identity, then, you know, I don't know, half of the people we went to college with would not be American, even if their parents came on the Mayflower. And, you know, if we have this, I don't know, we don't really have a purely racial basis for America, certainly happened in a long time.

Starting point is 00:08:53 And so what, you know, what do you do about the problem? What do you do about the total collapse of social solidarity that this problem represents? Well, I'm for assimilation. I'm for like, yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, I think that we are, in fact, a creedal country and there is no other definition of Americanism that tends to hold historical water. The notion that we are, you know, a heritage-based country, meaning that you're more American because you're great, great, great, great, great, great-grandparents got here as opposed to your great, great, great, great-great-great-great-grandparents got here. This right here is the fundamental divide.

Starting point is 00:09:27 They're basically arguing, as Vivek Ramosami writes about in his article, what American identity is. Is American identity something tangible, like you are a white person, you are this percent white, or is being an American more of an idea? Like you support freedom of religion, freedom of expression, liberty, personal property. You support some of these core American tenants, meaning anyone can be an American. I heavily, heavily lean towards the latter and will always argue about the idea that America is simply an idea that anybody can become American if they integrate into society within the right way. I don't care if you are the whitest person ever. If you are the whitest person ever and you were born in America or you immigrated to America and you hold, beliefs that are antithetical to that of America, the core of America, like freedom of belief,

Starting point is 00:10:16 freedom of expression, diversity, freedom of religion. Like a lot of these far, far right maga fucks are. They're not even MAGA at this point. They're so far right. They reject MAGA and reject Trump because they say that's not far right enough. These people are not American compared to somebody who could have immigrated, like my grandpa, who came from Syria, who built a business. He built a small business into like a medium small business. It's still a local business in Indiana, but he built it. out of nothing from working in his car. And he's an integral part of the community now. And he prays, he goes to Friday prayer to the mosque.

Starting point is 00:10:49 He prays five times a day over and over and over. But he is an integral part of the local community. And that's America. Is him accepting his Jewish neighbor. And then they have a Catholic neighbor. They're all good friends. That is America. Not whatever these far right fucks want.

Starting point is 00:11:06 I'm going to leave it there. If you appreciate this, drop a like, subscribe. I love you all. Peace out.

The Adam Mockler Show - They ate themselves alive.

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