The AI Daily Brief: Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis - The AI Slopocalypse
Episode Date: September 14, 2025A new AI-first podcast studio is churning out 3,000 episodes a week at a cost of just $1 per show. Is this the future of content creation in the agentic era—or the end of podcasting as we know it? N...athaniel Whittemore breaks down the economics, the backlash, and why the real challenge might be discovery, not competition.Brought to you by:KPMG – Discover how AI is transforming possibility into reality. Tune into the new KPMG 'You Can with AI' podcast and unlock insights that will inform smarter decisions inside your enterprise. Listen now and start shaping your future with every episode. https://www.kpmg.us/AIpodcastsBlitzy.com - Go to https://blitzy.com/ to build enterprise software in days, not months Robots & Pencils - Cloud-native AI solutions that power results https://robotsandpencils.com/Vanta - Simplify compliance - https://vanta.com/nlwThe Agent Readiness Audit from Superintelligent - Go to https://besuper.ai/ to request your company's agent readiness score.The AI Daily Brief helps you understand the most important news and discussions in AI. Subscribe to the podcast version of The AI Daily Brief wherever you listen: https://pod.link/1680633614Interested in sponsoring the show? nlw@aidailybrief.ai
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Today on the AI Daily Brief, we are discussing the AI Slopocalypse.
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Now, like I said, we have an interesting one today.
It is the weekend, which means, of course, it's a long read slash big think type episode.
And this week, like many of you out there, my attention was caught by the story in the Hollywood Reporter about a new podcast studio that is, depending on your perspective, a fascinating.
a fascinating evolution of the content creation model in a new agentic era,
or alternatively, a harbinger of the end times where all of us die drowning in AI slop.
And despite the fact that this is nominally AI coming for my industry,
I probably have a bit more at least open to it kind of perspective than you might think.
So let's start by talking about what this new studio Inception Point AI is doing and get the first reactions.
The title of the piece in The Hollywood Reporter was 5,000 podcasts,
3,000 episodes a week, $1 cost per episode.
And the basic idea of this is to use AI end-to-end to create new podcasts.
That means AI for scripting, AI for voices, AI to do the production, etc, etc.
Yes, they are actually inventing AI people, including this handsome gent over here at Nigel Fisseldown.
The company's podcast network is called Quiet Please and already produces more than 3,000 episodes a week across its 5,000 shows.
Since September of 2023, when it started, they've seen over 10 million downloads cumulatively.
The company says it takes about an hour to create an episode, from idea to actual release.
In terms of what these podcasts are, the company produces different levels of podcasts.
The lowest level involves weather reports for various geographic areas or simple biographies,
and higher levels involve subject area podcasts hosted by one of about 50 AI personalities they've created,
including food expert Claire DeLish, Gardner and Nature expert Nigel Thistle,
and Ali Bennett, who covers offbeat sports.
ESPN's The Ocho, anyone?
If you go over to their website, they talk about not just making content but crafting characters.
Each AI personality, they say, is built from the ground up, styled, voiced, and fine-tuned
to engage and connect audiences in real time.
One of their big provinces they call from episodes to universes.
We don't just create shows, we build entire branded ecosystems.
Each vertical holds a voice-driven world powered by our AI talent.
And importantly, this is not some 21-year-old coming.
out a Y Combinator with an idea to disrupt an industry that they're not a part of. The company
is being led by CEO Janine Wright, who was previously the C.O.O. of Wondery, which is the big
podcasting conglomerate that is now owned by Amazon. Now, a big part of the idea here is the economics
of it all. The company says that they're able to produce each episode for a dollar or less,
and then they attach it to programmatic advertising. They say then that before factoring in for
overhead, if only about 20 people listen to an episode, the company actually turns a profit
on that particular episode. Said, right, we might make a pollen episode that maybe only 50 people
listen to, but I'm already at unit profitability on that, and so then maybe I make 500 Pollin Report
podcasts. There are a ton of tools that go into this. They say they're using something like 184
different custom AI platforms or agents, and that's the basic idea. Now, to get a sense of how people
feel about this, one only has to copy the URL into the search bar on X, and you will very quickly
get a feel for the tenor of the conversation. Michael Sokolow writes about what the company does and
then says it's all AI slop, though, 100%, no real hosts, no real guests. What are we doing?
David Ryan writes, hard to pick out which part of this I hate the most. Spoiler, it's all of it.
He also then copied another part of the article where they talk about how the titles were optimized
for SEO, and added, please launch me into the sun. Nate DeFort writes, a new AI supervillain
has entered the arena. And Georgia Cohn writes, as an audio producer, the idea of an AI
podcast startup is depressing in itself, but then you see it's being led by a former
exec at Wondry and you feel despair.
Any creative with an ounce of self-respect would be embarrassed to put their name to it.
Laurie Kelmartin said simply, death please take me.
And Augustin LeBron wins the prize for naming the title of the episode with his tweet,
The AI Slopocalypse is here.
So let's now talk about what I think about this and try to move a little bit beyond
the knee-jerk reactions, which are quite clear as you can see.
Let's discuss first outside of the knee-jerk, just antagonism towards this.
What is actually potentially bad?
First of all, let's talk about the idea of out-competing human podcasts.
This is the question that I sometimes get if I'm worried about AI taking my job as a podcaster.
And the short answer is, frankly, absolutely not.
Podcasts are not a medium that exists simply to disseminate information.
There are a medium that people turn to for all the nuance and discourse and exploration
and interesting opinion and analysis and synthesis around their interests and other important
information that compels them to actually take the time to listen. For most mainstream topics and
interests, there are already dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of podcasts about that exact topic.
The ones that make it to the top have something special, something unique, something that the listener
responds to in those podcasts that is really unique to them. I do not believe that just because
there are more podcasts, all of a sudden the AI is going to out-compete the human podcasts. And to the
extent that people figure out how to make super compelling podcasts using AI, it'll just be part of
the landscape that people choose between. Except in so far as people have ultimately limited attention,
podcasting is not really a zero-sum game. It's one of the reasons that podcasters tend to be friendly
with one another and drop each other's shows on their feeds. It just tends not to be the case that
if someone finds a new podcast that they like, that they stop listening to all the others.
And so when it comes to things that are potentially bad about this, I really don't think that
out-competing human podcasts is anywhere near the top of the lists.
There are, however, some things that I think are potentially problematic about this.
First of all, I do believe that this is very likely to make an already bad discovery problem
potentially much worse.
Finding new podcast content is extremely difficult.
It basically only works by either A, having a different distribution channel somewhere else that
you've built that you can drop your podcast into.
B, advertising dollars that put it in front of people,
or see the host companies, specifically Spotify and Apple, because no one else is even close to big enough to make a dent,
deciding that they like a particular show and featuring it and making it more discoverable for their listeners.
This means that it is very hard to break through with podcasts.
There is an extreme power law where the vast majority of podcasts are heard by a tiny, tiny number of people
and never really make it past their first few episodes.
I do think that all of a sudden having a flood of 5,000, 10,000, 20,000, ultimately new podcasts
into those systems could potentially make the discovery problem worse, but I will also say that
that's kind of not inception points problem. That is a challenge for Spotify and for Apple and for the
companies who are the core discovery platforms. It's an opportunity for entrepreneurs who want to
try to make podcast discovery better, although there have been dozens and dozens of those
startups and they've never really worked. Still, to the extent that we are keeping track of good
and bad, I do think that the mass influx of AI podcasts makes a problem that already exists
even more challenging going forward. Could this confuse people when it comes to what is real
and what is AI? Once again, it seems like, at least from what the reporter writes, that the
company is trying to be really ethical about this. They write, the team is in the midst of navigating
the ethics around creating these AI personalities as the technology advances. Each host now identifies
themselves as being AI at the top of the episode, and they've stayed away from having the hosts
invent their own backstories for now, but that could come. Said William Corbyn, co-founder and
CTO, I'm not going to create a personality that somebody has a deep relationship with. They've also
decided not to do hard news at the time, but of course, all of that is subject to change.
Point being is that they're very clearly not trying to trick anyone into thinking that these are
real humans versus AIs, but I still think that even with that identification, it is confusing.
I listened to a few of the episodes just to get a feel for them, and the scripting talks about
and shares experiences as though they had actually had them,
when, of course, they hadn't.
I listened to the first part of a knitting podcast,
and they were talking about feels and emotions and sentiments
associated with a particular type of weather or timing.
And, of course, an AI is just a model.
It's never had those actual emotions,
so it's just parroting what a human host would be,
meaning again that even though they are, yes,
identifying themselves as AI,
it still gets blurry.
There's also the problem that the discovery platforms right now
don't really make clear differentiation
between Real and AI.
At least I don't think right now you can click a filter
to say I don't want any podcast from AI hosts,
although you've got to think that that's the sort of U.S. change
that will be coming sooner rather than later.
Could it get so bad that these things make people stop listening to podcasts entirely?
Again, I don't really think so.
The reality is that there is already so much noise
for very little signal in the podcast space.
The barriers to entry are still really hard to discover good content
as we just talked about,
that if people have made it through this sea of human-created podcast to find the ones that they like,
I don't think the presence of these AI shows is going to turn them off to the field entirely.
Lastly, on the what's potentially bad about this, could these things increase the tyranny of the algorithm?
Specifically the discovery algorithm.
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Now, for the sake of completeness, let's talk about what is good about this, or at least interesting.
I think the very, very clear thing that stands out is that this potentially supports incredibly
niche interests. This was already something that was very cool about the internet, that in the era
of Web 2.0 and platforms where people could create their own communities, you could find other people
who really like the thing that you do, even if some mainstream content producer hadn't decided
that it was worth producing content about. The entirety of Reddit is basically this, right? Now, I do think
that already podcasts have a really long tail of content that they cover. For example, this time of year,
I am always interested in Lovecraftian audio drama type content. And there are, believe it or not,
a lot of podcasts that build off of those Lovecraftian horror themes. And I'm not talking about one or two.
about dozens. But there are niches within niches, man. So to go a little bit farther on that
interest, there's a series of books that place Sherlock Holmes in a Lovecraftian context that I read
a couple of years ago, and it'd become perpetual rereads this time of year. I would love
podcasts that got even deeper down that rabbit hole of the combination of Sherlock Holmes and
Lovecraft. And right now, to the best of my knowledge, there are not any podcasts that have that.
So the idea that there's this thing that supports incredibly niche interests, I think, could be really
good. The pollen example that they gave also is really interesting from a hyper-specialized news
perspective. They're not doing hard news now, but really hyper-localized news could be something
really cool that this podcast model supports that traditional production methods just wouldn't.
Local news, for example, already really struggles to survive, and it's incredibly valuable
when it's done well. We have an amazing local news production around me that covers my town and the town
next to it, but it is constantly on the verge of going under. So maybe this is another alternative
path for that sort of thing. To me, this is the main value proposition and why I can see this being
worth pursuing outside of any particular economic interest, just from the standpoint of why this might
be valuable to the listener base in society as a whole. But now let's talk about what is completely
inevitable about this. This is, to use an idea I've brought up a lot on this show, basically the
Dr. Strange Theory as a business model. So what's the Dr. Strange Theory? I have a whole episode about this
if you actually just Google for Dr. Strange theory and agents, you'll find it.
But basically the idea, references the part in the culmination of the Infinity saga in the
Marvel Cinematic Universe, where the Avengers are all rocked back on their heels and they're
trying to figure out if there's any chance that they can beat Thanos, who is the big bad
of the series.
He's acquired the Infinity Stones, and it seems like things are impossible.
Dr. Strange starts to meditate and looks across the multiverse, examining all of these
different parallel universes where versions of this same story are playing out at the same
time. He comes back, and Tony Stark, Ironman, asks him, how many do we win in? Dr. Strange had gone and looked
at over 14 million parallel universes, and there was only one in which the Avengers succeeded.
Now, taking this to the realm of AI, the reference point is the idea that in a world of unlimited
intelligence too cheap to meter, we can theoretically run parallel processing at anything that we
are trying to accomplish any problem that we're trying to solve. So to take a very easy example from
the realm of business and content production. When we think about how AI and agents are impacting
and will impact content, it's sort of something like this. Right now in the early stages,
we are already using AI to be more efficient in how we write content. We use ChatGBT
BT to help us research and to draft it, and I would guess that a pretty meaningful percentage of
business tweets that you see on X or other platforms like it were written in whole or in part
by ChatGBTT or Cloud, etc. Now as we move into the agentic era, people are kind of imagining
an even more complete one-to-one replacement for currently non-agentic functions with agentic functions.
Instead of asking Chat-CTPT for help writing those tweets, you're just going to have the
chat-GBT agent do it entirely for you. The agent is going to be empowered to go do the planning,
figure out what the topic should be, test the tweet and actually send it. And that's kind of where
people's imagination ends. But again, in a world of unlimited intelligence, too cheap to meter,
I don't think you're just going to have one agent writing a tweet. I think you're going to have
100 agents writing tweets, all with totally different constraints and things that they're trying to
accomplish. 20 agents will be writing in the style of famous authors. 20 will be imitating the previous
brand voice of your brand. Another 20 might be imitating the brand voice of other brands in your space.
And then the last set might be toggled to just random. Meanwhile, there will be a set of agents
whose job is to impersonate different audiences in ICPs. They will react to and rate those different
tweets based on the audience that they are the synthetic equivalent of. Then you will likely have
aggregator or analyzer agents who take all of that information, sum it all up, make a determination
of what the most high potential tweets are, and maybe they gave the one human who's in the loop on this,
the choice of the top three, with a whole index of information around why those three have been
selected. Now, obviously, this might be overkill for your average tweet, and right now this would
probably be more expensive and complex than you would care about for most social media content.
But that's not going to be the case for long. And the point more than the specifics is that we have
barely begun to scratch the surface of what it's going to look like when you can just create
thousands, if not millions of times more of everything in an instant at basically no cost.
This, my friends, is one of the first and fullest examples of that as a business model that we've
seen. The entire premise is that in a land of programmatic advertising, if you can reduce the
cost of production to a buck a show, it takes barely any listenership at all for it to be
actually net profitable. The point is that I think that at least experiments like this are completely
inevitable. I don't think that they will all work, but I think in every case where some version of this
can be tried, it will be tried. I certainly think you're going to see this in basically every single
content medium. A recent Atlantic article shows how this is happening in the world of YouTube,
and of course, if you've been on TikTok and any time in the post-V-O-3 release, you've seen a huge
increase in AI content, and that is just in the realm of content production. Now, I think this is an
obvious place for all of this to start, but by no means do I think that that's where it's going to
end. So here's a big question, though. Will it work? Just because a model is inevitable from a test
perspective doesn't mean that it's going to actually play out in practice. My bet is that in this
particular case, the answer is no. The reason is I sort of think the form factor for what they're
trying to achieve is wrong. Here's how I'll try to describe it. We've got a four quadrant graph here,
and apologies if you were listening and not watching, but basically it's a four quadrant
where the y-axis moves from my interest at the top to not my interest at the bottom,
and on the x-axis, the left side is bad, the right side is great.
Most people are going to spend as much of their content consumption time as they can in the upper
right-hand quadrant, the one where the content is great and is my interests.
Now, one of the things that has happened with podcasts is that sometimes the content is so great
that even if it's not your interests, you'll listen.
Another thing that happens with podcasts is that sometimes your interests matter so much to you
that you'll listen even to objectively kind of bad content about it.
Hence the long tale of my Lovecraftian podcasts.
And then, of course, there's the bottom left quadrant,
the bad and not my interest,
where you're not going to spend any time at all.
I think that effectively, what they are going for with this,
not to besmirge their aspirations,
maybe they really think that this AI content can be great,
but my guess is that if they're talking about an hour of production per show
and keeping it under a dollar,
greatness is not really the key metric.
I think that the opportunity they're going for
is the sort of top left quadrant,
where they're looking for something that is sufficiently of my interest that I'll deal with middling quality.
Of course, they're not trying to have bad quality.
They're trying for these things to be good.
But really what they're trying to do is find interests that are too niche for there to be any content, good, bad, or otherwise.
And frankly, for this to work, I really think that there does need to be almost nothing else for that interest.
I think that a person who shares an interest and a passion is almost always going to outperform these AIs,
at least in current state, although I'm always reticent to assume that that will be the case forever.
but why I say the form factor is wrong
is that I do think that there is an opportunity
for this idea of sufficiently my interest
that I'll deal with middling quality.
But I think that the form that this wants to take
is content I spun up for myself,
not mass-produced content.
In other words, I think that what will make sense for this
is generative platforms
where you can personally customize
with a click or a couple of clicks
exactly the content you want
based on your exact niche
as narrowly as you want to define it.
Basically, I think that even with 5,000 podcasts,
they're going to have a hard time
getting a sufficient breadth of narrow niche interests
for it to really work.
Like, my guess is that they're not going to figure out
a Holmes Lovecraft crossover podcast idea.
And if they do, I like that so much
that if there's an option between listening to their version
or working with a generative platform
that's creating something equivalent,
but exactly to my tastes,
I think that that other platform,
which, to be fair, doesn't exist yet,
is a likely better home for this type of effort.
Also, indicators currently suggest
that there is a huge gap
between people who are great at AI creation
and those that aren't.
TikTok videos, I think, are a perfect example of this.
There have been infinite talking Bigfoot vlogs
and Harry Potter vlogs and all this sort of stuff,
but there is a massive difference
between the people who are really good at it
and who are ultimately going viral in a sustained way
and everyone else who's just doing the same thing.
I could totally be wrong.
Maybe they can be sufficiently broad,
that they find enough people to make this work.
And like I said, I think that the underlying idea of catering to really niche interests
is something that AI is going to create a lot of really exciting opportunities for.
I just don't think it's going to be in this exact format.
Now, one of the biggest implications and something I wanted to come back to from the what's
potentially bad, is that there is no way in the world that this entire shift,
both with inception point and all the things that come after it, don't increase the tyranny
of the discovery algorithms.
the platforms that distribute content are going to get even more powerful.
In a world where the amount of stuff that is available for you to consume
goes up a million fold, which sounds crazy but I don't think is actually out of range,
you are going to have to rely on some intermediary to suggest things for you
because it's going to be impossible to sample it all for yourself.
We are already dealing with the challenging consequences of a world that is arbitrated by social media algorithms,
and I think that that challenge gets nothing but bigger in this Dr. Strange content modality.
I do also think that it creates opportunities.
I would be shocked if we don't get some new native platforms for whatever types of content
come next, but they are going to come with enormous responsibility and power.
Now, one of the big questions that I have is whether their business model and economics
make it so that they basically can't fail, or if there is at some point a backlash that makes it
not work. On the one hand, if they really only need 20 people to listen to a $1 produced podcast for it to be
profitable, it seems like there is quite a powerful money printing loop right there. Now, of course,
that doesn't factor in how much overhead you need to figure out how to nimbly change what
podcasts are being produced, but then again, maybe AI can do all that. So on the one hand,
if those really are the economics, it's totally possible for them to build a model where people
don't really like the content all that much, at least not initially, but they're still economically
successful. Then again, it's pretty easy to see how the backlash could happen. There is, of course,
the user dimension of this. You got to think that a lot of people are currently clicking for novelty,
not sticking around. The article, for example, gave that 10 million number overall, but didn't
say anything about retention or subscriptions. I think it's likely that over time people get more
discerning about what they click on. And what's more, like I said, I'm almost positive that the
discovery platforms are going to start to segregate AI content or AI hosted content, at least, from
human hosted content. I kind of think that users,
will demand that. So there's that whole consumer side of a potential backlash. But then, of course,
there's also the advertiser side. Right now, they're taking advantage of programmatic ad networks,
which don't discriminate between shows at all. All they care about is listeners. Programmatic
advertisement is served via ad networks that are already algorithmically controlled and just push ads out
and pay based on the listens that they received. Once again, I think it's entirely possible,
if not even likely, that advertisers will start to have more stringent control or want more stringent
control over which shows their ads appear on, and you might see ad networks that filter out
AI-hosted content. None of this is to say that this is guaranteed, but I think that if I were
pushed, I would have this be my base case rather than the current status quo remaining.
Overall, for all of the challenges that come with this, I think it is both inevitable and an
interesting thing to observe. I'm always interested in people trying and experimenting with new content.
We're not going to figure out what actually is useful about AI-generated content unless we try.
So to inception point, I wish good luck.
And for all of us dealing with the downfalls of the AI's apocalypse,
I wish hazmat suits, discernment, and better discovery algorithms on the horizon.
That's going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief.
Thanks as always for listening and watching.
And until next time, peace.
