The AI Daily Brief: Artificial Intelligence News and Analysis - Why Google Is Intentionally Limiting the Power of Bard AI
Episode Date: July 11, 2023Google CEO Sunday Pichai told 60 Minutes that the company is purposefully limiting the power and capabilities of their Bard AI model to ensure society has time to catch up. DeepMind CEO Demis Hassabis... also gives his view of the next wave of AI innovation. Before that on the Brief: the White House is holding its first classified briefing for the Senate; China is considering new AI content rules; Netflix has released a documentary about AI and the military. ABOUT THE AI BREAKDOWN The AI Breakdown helps you understand the most important news and discussions in AI. Subscribe to The AI Breakdown newsletter: https://theaibreakdown.beehiiv.com/subscribe Subscribe to The AI Breakdown on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheAIBreakdown Join the community: bit.ly/aibreakdown Learn more: http://breakdown.network/
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Today on the AI breakdown, what Google's recent public conversations about AI suggest about the state of the field.
Before that on the brief, the White House hosts its first classified AI briefing.
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Today is a highly geopolitical, geostrategic day in AI, and we kick off with the big news,
that senators will receive their first ever classified AI briefing from the White House later today.
Now, if you've been following along, you'll know that AI is a growing issue when it comes to the
priorities of the White House Senate and Congress. In particular, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer
has made it his goal to lead a number of different AI-related efforts, including recently a dramatic
speech held at the end of January. In that speech, he said, if applied correctly, AI promises
to transform life on earth for the better. It will reshape how we fight disease, tackle hunger,
manage our lives, enrich our minds, and ensure peace.
But there are real dangers that present themselves as well.
Job displacement, misinformation, misinformation, a new age of weaponry, and the risk of being
unable to manage this new technology altogether.
That same week, President Joe Biden also dramatized the rise of AI, saying we'll see more
technological change in the next 10 years than we saw in the last 50 years.
Now, at the same time, Schumer said that he was working on what he called very ambitious legislation,
and part of the path to get there was a set of briefings for senators that would happen over the
rest of 2023. The briefing that they have today is one of those promised sessions. Now, the reason
that this briefing in particular is classified is that they're going to be dealing with issues of
national security, how AI relates to geopolitical contests, how the White House is using AI, and more
sensitive topics like that. Senators will be briefed by the Director of National National
Intelligence, the Deputy Secretary of Defense, the Director of the White House Office of Science
and Technology Policy, the director of the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, and the Defense
Department's chief digital officer. This is a bipartisan briefing being
hosted by two Republicans and another Democrat in addition to Chuck Schumer. Now, this briefing on
the national security implications of AI comes at an interesting time. The discourse is increasing
pretty significantly about the national security implications of AI, as well as the military
implications of AI. On Monday, Netflix premiered a new documentary called Unknown Killer Robots, and as
this Guardian review puts it, quote, the future of AI will fill you with unholy terror. Now, the goal
of this documentary is to try to show what the new technologies are, while also questioning whether
we're getting into a dangerous, literal AI arms race. I think the Guardian Review was insightful
when they wrote, the dilemma surrounding almost all military inventions, perhaps almost all
inventions full stop, is what is slightly grandly called the dual use problem. On the one hand,
you've got drones and robots who can clear buildings without risking soldiers' lives. On the other,
you can weaponize them, autonomize them, and use them to take out entire villages without anyone
getting their hands dirty. What is the sense of detachment likely to do?
due to the level of carnage in a war overall.
Former U.S. Defense Secretary Bob Work doesn't think, quote,
human intervention and kill decisions will ever change.
I cannot help but pause for a moment to suggest respectfully that either the good colonel has
never met humanity, or that he is the program's equivalent of the flight attendant,
urging people to calm down as the passenger jet plummets to its fiery doom.
Netflix, however, isn't the only place where this discussion around AI and military applications
is showing up.
Time ran a large piece recently about how tech company Palantir is helping change.
change the face of warfare. The piece, called literally how Palantir is shaping the future of warfare,
writes, Alex Karp, Palantir's CEO, has argued that, quote,
The power of advanced algorithmic warfare systems is now so great that it equates to having
tactical nuclear weapons against an adversary with only conventional ones. The piece goes on.
One idea I heard is that warfare may increasingly take place as a complex simulation within
algorithmic systems. The process may have some deterrence powers. Two opponents might reach the
same conclusion about the outcome, preempting any need to trigger a conflict in the physical
world. Is this utopian? Probably. The most likely scenario is an algorithmic arms race happening at superhuman
speed. Here, China rather than Russia, is the real opponent. Taiwan, rather than Ukraine, is where
the algorithm takes over. Now, as you heard just a moment ago, when it comes to AI and the military,
one of the U.S.'s chief concerns is China. In mid-May, Bloomberg published a piece,
China's military use of AI raises alarm for Congress. The piece begins. China's embrace of artificial
intelligence for warfare has touched off alarm bells everywhere from Silicon Valley to the Pentagon.
Former Google chief executive officer Eric Schmidt is among those raising concerns, and he testified
at a house hearing about China Wednesday evening as head of an initiative that's focused on speeding
the U.S. defense establishment's adoption of AI. The piece goes on to profile a report from Schmidt's
organization, which is called the Special Competitive Studies Project. And as Bloomberg puts it,
a report from that organization describes a 30-year effort by China to study U.S. combat operations,
with the intention of being able to puncture its military might now with the help of AI.
Schmidt basically argued at this hearing that even if the U.S. is currently ahead of China when it comes to AI,
it seemed likely to him that they were dedicating much more resources to advancement in the strategic and defensive use of AI.
Now, we haven't really gotten much more information about the military use of AI since then,
but the Financial Times did report yesterday about some new efforts in China to implement AI rules
that would effectively amount to a licensing regime for generative AI companies.
The Financial Times writes,
The Cyberspace Administration of China, the powerful internet watchdog,
aims to create a system to force companies to obtain a license
before they release generative AI models,
said two people close to Chinese regulators.
The requirement, Titans draft regulations issued in April,
which said groups would have 10 working days to register a product with authorities after launch.
Now, people often use China as the boogeyman when it comes to AI safety.
The standard argument goes, well, we can't pause or stop or slow down our development of AI
because if we do, China won't.
Still, this Financial Times piece points out that there is an inherent tension in AI.
As they put it, Beijing is struggling to reconcile an ambition to develop world-beating technologies
with its long-standing censorship regime.
Matt Sheehan, a fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said,
It's the first time that authorities in China find themselves having to do a trade-off
between two Communist Party goals of sustaining AI leadership and controlling information.
The FT goes on, one person close to the CAC's deliberation said,
quote, if Beijing intends to completely control and censor the information created by AI,
they will require all companies to obtain prior approval from the authorities.
But the regulation must avoid stifling domestic companies in the tech race, so authorities are
wavering. I think that the decisions that the Chinese government makes when it comes to this
particular issue, how much to lean on the side of global competitiveness of their domestic AI,
versus command and controlling the outputs of that AI, is going to have a huge deterministic impact
on whatever AI arms race there actually is.
Meanwhile, over in the U.S., we have reports that Google is intentionally limiting Bards capabilities,
and we're going to get into that in the main AI breakdown, which is coming up soon.
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Do you think society is prepared for what's coming?
You know, there are two ways I think about it.
On one hand, I feel no, because the pace at which we can think and adapt as societal institutions
compared to the pace at which the technology is evolving, there seems to be a mismatch.
On the other hand, compared to any other technology, I've seen more people worried about it earlier in its life cycle.
So I feel optimistic the number of people who have started worrying about the implications,
and hence the conversations are starting in a serious way.
well. The clip you just heard was part of a recent 60 Minutes interview with Google CEO Sundar Pichai.
The interview was a part of a set of recent communications from top leadership at Google that
help us understand how the company is thinking about AI in general, given that they are one of the
small number of companies alongside OpenAI, Microsoft, meta, and not very many others, who are part
of the intensive corporate AI battles that led to, for example, the recent,
defection of Jeffrey Hinton from Google with concern around what those battles would do for the future
of AI safety and AI risk, understanding how Google is thinking about AI issues and what they want to
broadcast publicly, I think is pretty relevant. Now, when it comes to that 60 Minutes interview,
one of the aspects of it that most people have picked up is the idea expressed in this Fox
business headline that Pichai said that Google is intentionally limiting BART AI's public
capabilities. The context for that part of the conversation came when Pachai said,
it would be possible with AI to create, you know, a video easily, where it could be Scott
saying something or me saying something and we never said that, and it could look accurate. But
you know on a societal scale, it can cause a lot of harm. So obviously here Sundar is talking about
deepfakes. The interviewer Scott Peli responded with a question saying, is Bards safe for society?
To that, Sundar said the way we have launched it today as an experiment in a limited way,
I think so. But we all have to be responsible in each step along the way.
Peli asked for clarification, saying,
You are letting this out slowly so that society can get used to it.
Sundar said that's one part of it.
One part is also so that we get the user feedback,
and we can develop more robust safety layers
before we deploy more capable models.
In that same interview, Sundar really put the stakes of AI pretty clearly.
He said, I've always thought of AI as the most profound technology
humanity is working on,
more profound than fire or electricity or anything that we've done in the past.
As part of the conversation,
Sundar also described the need for regulations.
He said,
you're going to need laws. There have to be consequences for creating deep fake videos which cause
harm to society. Anybody who has worked with AI for a while realizes this is something so different and
so deep that we would need societal regulations to think about how to adapt. Now the conversation
about deepfakes is definitely heating up right now. Sapien's author Yuval Noah Harari recently made
headlines when he said that AI firms should face prison if they fail to guard against the
creation of fake profiles on their platforms. Harari was addressing the UN's AI for Good
summit last week when he said, quote,
it is possible for the first time in history to create fake people, billions of fake people.
If this is allowed to happen, it will do to society what fake money threatened to do to the
financial system.
If you can't know who is a real human, trust will collapse.
Maybe relationships will be able to manage somehow, but not democracy.
Harari went on.
What happens if you have a social media platform where millions of bots can create
content that is in many ways superior to what humans can create?
More convincing, more appealing.
If we allow this to happen, then humans have completely lost control of the public
conversation. Democracy will become completely unworkable. And whether you agree with these
suggestions or not, give Harari credit for at least talking about what he thinks some of the
answers might be. For example, he said that if tech executives face 20-year jail sentences
for not finding ways to prevent these sort of fake profiles, he predicted they would, quote,
quickly find ways to prevent the platforms from becoming overwhelmed with fake people.
He also suggested that companies in the AI space should be legally required to commit 20% of
their investment spending to researching AI safety risks and how to address them. Now, for some,
one of the counterweights to the power accruing to these big AI companies like Google and OpenAI
is more robust open source models. In fact, a couple of months ago, an internal Google memo was
leaked that claimed, quote, we have no moat and neither does OpenAI. That memo started,
we've done a lot of looking over our shoulders at OpenAI. Who will cross the next milestone?
What will the next move be? But the uncomfortable truth is we aren't positioned to win this arms
race and neither is OpenAI. While we've been squabbling, a third faction has been quietly eating
our lunch. I'm talking, of course, about open source. Plainly put, they are lapping us. Things we consider
major open problems are solved and in people's hands today. The examples that this anonymous
author pointed to include LLMs on a phone, scalable personal AI, responsible release, and
multimodality. Now, the genesis for a lot of this was the developments that happened in the wake
of Meta Lama's model being fully leaked. The memo author goes on, while our models still hold a slight
edge in terms of quality, the gap is closing astonishingly quickly. Open source models are faster, more
customizable, more private, and pound for pound more capable. They are doing things with $100 and
$13 billion that we struggled with at $10 million and $540 billion parameters, and they are doing so
in weeks, not months. The implications he said are that they have no secret sauce, that people will not
pay for a restricted model when free unrestricted alternatives are comparable in quality, and one of
their biggest arguments that giant models are slowing Google down. Now, this memo got a ton of attention
in the AI space when it was released, and it appears that it caught the attention of Google's
internal teams as well. In a recent interview with Decoder, Demis Hasabas, the CEO of Google's
DeepMind, said, I think that memo was real. I think engineers at Google often write various documents,
and sometimes they get leaked and go viral. I think it's interesting to listen to them,
and then you've got to chart your own course. And I haven't read that specific memo in detail,
but I disagree with the conclusions from that. One of the interesting parts of the discussion
had to do with how and why ChatGPT was the kickoff moment that led to this AI explosion.
The interviewer says it feels like the chat GPT moment
was really rooted in the AI being able to do something
that regular people could do.
There's this turn where the computer is starting to do things I can do
and they're not even necessarily the most complicated tasks.
Read this webpage and deliver a summary of it to me.
But that's the thing that unlocked everyone's brain.
And I'm wondering why you think the industry didn't see that turn coming
because we've been very focused on these very difficult things that people couldn't do
and it seems like what got everyone is when the computer started doing things people do all the time.
Hasabas said,
I think that analysis is correct. I think that is why the large language models have really
entered the public consciousness because it's something the average person that the Joe public
can actually understand and interact with. And of course, language is core to human intelligence
in our everyday lives. I think that does explain why chatbots specifically have gone viral in the way
they have. Now, Hasabas goes on to point out that other applications of AI like their alpha
fold might have had even more beneficial impact on the world so far, given in that case that it's
used by all the big pharma companies to advance drug discovery, but that that that's a lot of
That's invisible compared to the average person on the street, who, as he puts it, doesn't know what
proteins even are and doesn't know what the importance of those things are for things like
drug discovery.
Now, another thing that Hasabas says is that although this is the thing that has captured people's
imaginations right now, generative AI is just to use his term scratching the surface.
Quote, there are a lot more types of AI than generative AI.
Generative AI is now the in thing, but I think that planning and deep reinforcement learning and
problem solving and reasoning, those kinds of capabilities are going to come back in the
next wave after this, along with the current capabilities of the current systems.
think in a year or two's time, if we were to talk again, we're going to be talking about entirely
new types of products and experiences and services with never-before-seen capabilities.
Now, when it comes to what's next, Hasabas talks a lot about how the interfaces that are being
created now, these natural language interfaces, are going to be the way that we interact
with more specialized AIs that live underneath. He said, there's a whole branch of research going
into what's called tool use. This is the idea that these large language models are large multimodal models,
their expert at language, of course, and maybe a few other capabilities like math and possibly
coding. But when you ask them to do something specialized like fold a protein or play a game of chess
or something like this, then actually what they end up doing is calling a tool, which could be
another AI system that then provides the solution or the answer to that particular problem.
And then that's transmitted back to the user via language or pictorially through the central large
language model system. So it may be actually invisible to the user because to the user, it just looks
like one big AI system that has many capabilities, but under the hood, it could be that actually
the AI system is broken down into smaller ones that have specializations.
I actually think that probably is going to be the next era.
The next generation of systems will use those kind of capabilities.
And then you can think of the central system as almost a switch statement
that you effectively prompt with language,
and it roots your query or your question or whatever it is
you're asking to the right tool to solve that question for you
or provide the solution for you.
And then transmit that back in a very understandable way,
again, using the best interface really of natural language.
The interviewer then said,
does that process get you closer to AGI?
To which Hasaba said, I think that is on the critical path
to AGI. The interviewer went on to ask how long Hesabas thought it would take to get to
AGI, to which the CEO said, I think there's a lot of uncertainty around how many more
breakthroughs are required to get to AGI, big, big breakthroughs, innovative breakthroughs,
versus just scaling up existing solutions. And I think it very much depends on that in terms
of time frame. Right now, I would not be surprised if we approach something like AGI or
AGI like in the next decade. Now finally, returning to this open source question where we started,
Hasabas says that while obviously they support open source, there are real questions as
He said also safety questions about access to these very powerful systems.
What if bad actors can access it, who maybe aren't that technical so they couldn't have built it themselves,
but they can certainly reconfigure a system that is out there?
What do you do about those things?
I think it's all been quite theoretical till now, but I think that it is really important from here all the way to AGI
as these systems become more general, more sophisticated, more powerful.
That question is going to be very important about how does one-stop bad actors just using these systems
for things they weren't intended for, but for malicious purposes.
Now, the last section of this interview that I'll note before I close has to do with the letter
that Hasabas, along with so many others, signed from the Center for AI Safety.
That was the one that basically said we need to treat the risks of AI alongside things like pandemic and nuclear proliferation.
The interviewer said, basically, you've signed that letter and yet you are pushing on.
Google's in the market, you've got to win.
There's a tension there.
Needing to win in the market with products and, oh boy, please regulate us because raw capitalism
will drive us off the cliff with AI if we don't stop it in some way.
How do you balance that risk?
I'll let you read the answer for yourself.
But basically, Hasabas, one, acknowledges the tension,
but two, makes it clear they have no idea what to do about it.
In fact, the signing of this letter was basically just an acknowledgement
that they don't know what's coming next,
and that we need other actors who aren't the corporates
who have corporate incentives to be involved in the conversation
as some sort of counterweight.
Anyways, it's a fascinating insight into how this one particular company thinks about AI,
and given how important they are in the space overall,
definitely worth your time.
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