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Cows are about 5% of global emissions, which is pretty unbelievable. Wild! We pursued many solutions. So one is to vaccinate the cows in a way that their gut bacteria that emit the methane, which is also called nattoagast or stage 4, which is the second most important greenhouse gas. You can vaccinate them, and that species of bacteria isn't there. Tomorrow's News today. Happy New Year, ladies and gentlemen.

2024 has been a wild ride, and I want to wrap up 2024 and begin 2025 by showing you a conversation that I just had with Dr. Robert Malone. Now, many of you have heard of Dr. Malone. He is very famous for being the inventor of MRNA technology as well as his analysis of what happened during the 2020 pandemic. But I brought him on the show because I wanted to talk to him about what's been good. going on with this bird flu. I've been seeing headline after headline after headline about this so-called pandemic crisis that we are being faced with right now and how there's so much urgency for what we need to do before the inauguration on January 20th in order to ensure the public safety

and interests are met. But the more research I did, the more bizarre it became. The more I looked into the history of this bird flu, I realized that it had been around for a long time ever since at least 1961. With the first human case in the 1990s, between 2010 and 2014, there were more recorded cases of humans with bird flu than between 2020 and 2024. So why is it that the headlines are blowing up about this flu? Why is it that everyone's saying it's so dangerous when we know the mortality rate is not

anywhere near what the officials and the pundits are saying that it is? why is it that they're pushing for vaccines for this bird flu when people don't even spread it amongst themselves? So I spoke with Dr. Robert Malone about what psychological operation he believes is taking place right before our eyes. They're doubling down on what they did in 2020. And instead of walking away, shying away, or changing their ways compared to 2020, they are insisting that we expand government, that we expand regulation, and they're weaponizing this so-called pandemic for the sake of establishing more regulatory powers and control over the food supply. So please check out this clip with Dr. Robert Malone and see what's really going on.

I don't think you can be skeptical enough of government bureaucratic initiatives and intent. I absolutely endorse that one should. be extremely vigilant and extremely aggressive as a investigative journalist operation like the Alex Jones Show in Info Wars in pursuing and holding accountable government officials for their behaviors. And it's highly likely that they will use any justification to advance the use of this technology in every possible application. hence my skepticism about why the emphasis on cattle,

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Ladies and gentlemen, I am Chase Geiser, your host. of the Alex Jones show today. Alex will be back in studio on Thursday. We are wishing you a happy new year. I am honored to be joined by Dr. Robert Malone. You know who he is. You can support him at malone.com. Follow him on X.

And I got to say, Doctor, it's an honor and a pleasure to be speaking with you for the first time. I followed your work for some time. Very impressed with you and grateful for the work that you've done. I have in my office at home a bunch of patents hanging up on the wall, but they're all Nikola Tesla patents because they look so cool with the drawings. You actually have it looks like your own patents. hanging up on the wall behind you? That's the next level.

I call it by Alex Berenson Wall of disinformation. You'll, you know, in our substack, and it's just hitting now, we got a huge bump and paid subscribers when Alex attacked

me on Fox News years ago now, and every year it rolls around this time and they all plus up with another year's subscription. So, Jill tells me that I'd actually thank Alex. for his efforts. Well, never underestimate the stric sand effect.

There's no such thing as bad publicity, and it's better to be infamous than not famous at all. So congratulations on that success. I'm glad, and I hope that our audience will continue to support you in a more and more expansive way. So obviously, you are the MRNA expert. This bird flu thing has been coming up quite a bit. I have some very specific things that I want to ask you about,

but I want to start with your macro take on what is happening with this bird flu, how it relates to what we experienced in 2020, and what you think is really going on. Let's just generally attack from that perspective. So I put out four or five substack articles on this, and about two weeks ago I just plus up with another threat assessment, updated threat assessment. The bottom line that everybody needs to be aware of,

of course, the CDC doesn't have much credibility these days, but even the CDC is making this statement in its website that the risk associated with bird flu is low. So here's the key things that people need to keep in mind. I'm empowering you, the audience, okay? So here's the way that any professional ought to be looking at any emerging infectious disease outbreak. Two key points to consider. Number one, are you seeing a high level of,

death and hospitalization on a per case basis. In other words, what's the case fatality rate? Is it high or is it low? And the second thing that you need to look for is whether or not there's evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission. Now, what Lena Wynn is citing and also Bob Redfield, former CDC director, who seems to have gone rogue again, is the old debunked, outdated WHO statements that bird flu historically has been associated with approximately a 50% case fatality rate. That is pure unadulterated fear porn.

What it represents is a artifact of data sampling. What the WHO collects is information on the most severe cases, if you have a mild case of something, it doesn't get, your doc doesn't call up the WHO and say, hey, you know, this just happened. No, the only cases that come to the attention of the World Health Organization are the severe cases, often in people who already have significant preexisting conditions. Now, we all went through this rodeo with COVID, so you understand how this works. If you only sample from the people that are seriously ill, then you're going to have a high case fatality rate. But if you do, like the new incoming director of the NIH did early on with COVID, and you get a true baseline of the number of people infected, then you suddenly find in the

case of COVID that it's not 3.4 or 3.5% case fatality rate, in other words, three to four out of every 100 people infected die. That turns out to be fraud. And the true case fatality rate with COVID was a fraction of a fraction of 1%. And this was known early on by a Stanford epidemiologist and public health expert who actually did the right work rather than modeling it. Same is true with this bird flu outbreak. So what are the data? We have something around 60 cases here in the United States. And we have, wait for it, a total of zero deaths. Do we have any evidence of sustained human-to-human transmission? The answer is no.

What we do have is a epidemic of testing. The public health infrastructure within the United States has decided that it's necessary to greatly expand testing. Remember the PCR story. With PCR, if you turn up the cycle numbers, you can get positives for anything, especially if you're working in a laboratory that is already testing for whatever that pathogen is.

This is a problem with contamination that's notorious in PCR testing laboratories. And so you test more, you find more. Well, what are you finding? This is valid. They were not previously testing cattle. The issue to your point about trying to migrate the mRNA vaccines into livestock and the human food supply, Now, I would quibble with you about whether or not we have data that they're transmittable from food sources. That's other than milk that's not shown.

But in any case, the one thing that was very clear that the mRNA vaccine technology was not appropriate for was for dairy cattle in particular because we know that these products are shed in human breast milk. And lo and behold, they're likely also shed in dairy. Now, they started testing dairy. They wanted to jab the cows. They started testing dairy for bird flu. And what they found was that the glands in the udders that produce the milk actually support replication of bird flu. Is this a new finding? We don't know because they didn't use to test for bird flu in cattle or,

many other species. This is a new phenomenon. And so yes, we're having bird flu virus H5N1, which has been around for my entire career, is endemic in Waterfowl. By the way, there's no

way we're ever going to eradicate bird flu. To do that, we would have to kill all the migratory geese and ducks in North America, because they are all basically chronic carriers and shed enormous amounts of influenza virus in their stool into water

supplies. This is just the facts. So what we're seeing now that we're testing so much is that dairy workers, particularly in Southern California, are at some low frequency, very low frequency, a total of something less than 60 people have developed symptoms and those people are associated with the presence of PCR positive signal for bird flu, which we weren't previously testing for. What are those symptoms? Are they dying?

Are they going to the hospital? No, mostly they're getting conjunctivitis and pink eye, which they recover from naturally without any treatment. So this is absolutely not a medical crisis. It is not a biologic emergency. but the fear that has been circulated by Lena Wynn and so many others, recently notoriously, with her appearance on Face the Nation, is that it's possible, it's theoretically possible,

that at some point this avian influenza might mutate to become more infectious in humans. That is absolutely a possibility, but it's somewhere in the future, and by the way, decades of COVID, existence with bird flu has never had this happen. We have been through multiple outbreaks of fear porn around bird flu and had influenza vaccines developed and deployed for this, but there has never been a major outbreak. So the advocacy right now coming out of basically the pharmaceutical

biodefense industrial complex, you know, teamed with the military industrial complex, you know, is that we're going to have to deploy these MRNA vaccines that they have been paid hundreds of millions of dollars to develop by Barta, a branch of health and human services that will come under Bobby's supervision should be confirmed. They have paid enormous amounts of money to have these products developed. There has been some stockpiling of these products. They are not tested clinically. they are not approved. They are not authorized for marketing. And there is no medical emergency,

so there can't be an emergency use authorization. But the likes of Lena Wynn and her colleagues are out beating the drums right now that the Biden administration ought to basically jump the shark, rush these things out, emergency use authorized them, circulate widely testing, home testing for bird flu and completely avoid any clinical trials and just start jabbing people with these new bird flu vaccines because they elicit an antibody response in animals.

And this is the other part of this whole problem set, is Lena Wynn, bless her heart sugar, has no bloody clue about influenza and immunology. And she doesn't understand that just because there's antibodies produced in an animal, that does not mean that a product, quote, vaccine is going to be effective in humans. Historically, even the best influenza vaccines lately have been something like 20 to 40 percent effective. Now, we've been through that rodeo with COVID. If you administer a crummy, leaky vaccine in the face of any kind of a major public health,

outbreak, what you get is an infectious disease that's more resistant to the vaccine. Come on, guys. How many times do we have to learn this lesson? So they are advocating that they just go ahead and start jabbing in the, you know, what is it, three weeks left of the Biden administration. Right. As many as possible before the 20th. Before the Trump administration comes in and shuts them down because they've dropped hundreds of millions of dollars and these companies that are manufacturing this product, like Pfizer and Moderna, want to get it out into the market. And they are afraid, for good reason, that the new director of the FDA, the new director of the CDC, the new director of NIH, and their boss, Bobby Kennedy, presumably, is not going to go

along with their psychological bioterrorism sciop, which is what is being deployed right now. I'll stop there and let you get a word in edgewise. No, I love that analysis. It's so powerful. I had Dr. McCullough on yesterday, and he enlightened me to the fact that there have been some gain of function research done on the bird flu, which made it transmissible from poultry to mallard ducks. Of course, that increases the ability for it to spread.

I got this study right here. This is from Peter McCullough's substack. The USDA has been collaborating with the Chinese Academy of Sciences to mutate H5N1 bird flu via serial passage through mallard ducks, Chinese geese, and Japanese quail species since April 1st of 2021. What are your thoughts on whether or not this strain of bird flu has been manipulated? I'm not aware of genetic evidence that that's the case. And by the way, Peter, bless his heart, is a great cardiologist and a renal specialist, but he knows almost nothing about molecular biology, virology, and vaccination.

Just to make that point. Sure. Now, well, that's something that he and I share in common. The history, yeah, okay, fair enough. But you don't, let's not go there. Okay. So the history of gain of function research in influenza is long. In fact, it was the advent of a paper, I think it's two manuscripts, one from the Netherlands,

and one from the University of Wisconsin years ago, that demonstrated that influenza can be adapted. that avian influenza can be adapted to infect mammals through a couple of specific point mutations, both laboratories independently found those mutations, that prompted the original ban on gain of function research. There's also a laboratory at the University of Georgia that's been doing gain of function research on avian influenza. So there are multiple approaches, and it's all justified as dual function research that it has both a potential knowledge gain component, as well as a potential weaponization component or application. Now, it goes back even further than that in terms of influenza because the CDC really did

groundbreaking research over a decade ago that demonstrated that there are a couple of specific point mutations that you can put in influenza to cause it to shift from upper airway, which tends to be relatively non-pathogenic, to lower airway, which is less effective but much more pathogenic. All this stuff is published. So, yeah, the bad guys could go out there and tweak, and there's no way that we would be able to discern readily, except by inferring from sequence analysis, that what is circulating is coming from those laboratories, but to assert that what is currently circulating

derives from laboratory-based gain of function research, in my mind, is a bridge too far. We don't have that evidence. Personally, I think it's irresponsible to make those kinds of statements. Has any sequence analysis been done? It creates a situation in which the public is like the boy crying wolf. You know, this may happen at some point in time. And we want people when we say this is what's happened. We want them to have confidence that, in fact, that's what's happened.

So that's my take on the issue of gain of function research, laboratory research, including serial passage. That's old school gain of function research. And by the way, serial passage was probably done at University of North Carolina by Ralph Barrett on the SARS-CoV-2. So it just keeps coming around and around. round. Has any sequence analysis been done in a substantial way on the existing strains of this specific bird flu? My understanding is the answer is yes. Okay. And it is being closely tracked. And one of the things that's being used to justify this latest round of promoted fear is that there is a case in Louisiana of a elderly gentleman with multiple preexisting conditions.

Presumably he worked on one of these major chicken farms, I don't know, and was in close contact with a number of chicken carcasses that had been infected. And he developed kind of a slow-burning indolent infection with this avian influenza. No surprise. And he is quite ill, but is not passed away. You know, this is another case, like we heard again and again with SARS-CoV-2, where the press is jumping on these things, asserting that there's another case in Mexico,

which the Mexican government denies, but the press is asserting that these cases where avian influenza has been detected are demonstrating that avian influenza is what's causing this more severe disease, where in this specifically, this gentleman in Louisiana, has a lot of other diseases.

It just happens that makes him more susceptible to avian influenza. Now, in his case, because it's been burning in his body, and any RNA virus is highly prone to mutation because it's, you know, it's involved in the molecular biology of RNA replication. Okay, those RNA polymerases are error prone, and these viruses evolve, particularly if they stay in their body a long time, like HIV. And so there has been a couple of mutations in the case of this gentleman. there's no reports that those have been transmitted to third parties. Remember sustained human to human transmission. Right.

It's a character that you have to see. And if it's not there, it's fear porn. Okay. So that's how I see it right now is we do have significant insight into where the bad problems might arise. If those had occurred, I guarantee it would have been shouted from the rooftops. all across the world, including it from Tedros Cabrerozs at WHO, there has been none of those reports. And of course it's evolving, particularly in people that are chronically infected, because that's

what happens with RNA viruses. Sure. Well, here's what I'm curious about then. If we've established there's not human-to-human transference and we've transmission and we've established that a lot of these mortality claims of 50 to 60 percent of those infected are greatly exaggerated. My next question, of course, for you is, what is the mortality rate of chickens that are infected?

Do we know that? So that's a good question. And I don't know the specifics. I do know that there is a significant mortality associated with bird flu in a number of different species of which chickens is one. And there is also a standard U.S.-centric public policy, but it's shared in many other nations, that if you have a chicken house that gets infected, you go ahead and call that entire chicken house. And there is some debate as to whether or not that really makes sense.

It has to do with the risk of the virus further evolving if it's allowed to chronically infect these mega factory farm chicken barns. And if you've never, you know, I used to live in North Georgia. If any of your listeners haven't ever encountered a modern commercial-grade chicken farm, they ought to find out about it because that's the real problem here, is that factory farming gives rise to the emergence of infectious disease, particularly viral infectious disease, and that includes in particular swine farming, swine factory farming, where you have animals closely quartered with each other,

and absolutely includes chicken farming and turkeys, by the way. So that's the logic that the industry has established, and it's debatable. I think it's something that really ought to be revisited with the new USDA director, we have an opportunity, thank you for those clips. Yeah, it's stunning what goes on in these farms. And so what you're looking at there with that clip is actually friars.

And what you're looking at is they have been bred so that when they're harvested, they get so fat they can't even walk. And they have to be harvested at that point. because a week later they're going to start dying because they can't actually walk around in their coop. So it's really a very ugly business in order to shave a few nickels off the price per pound of the poultry that we eat.

And it absolutely gives rise to these high-risk environments for evolution of infectious disease. But the good news is that chicken lungs are very, very different from human lungs. and as a consequence, I don't even know that I would want to broadcast those images. As a consequence. What's the matter, Dr. Malone? Chicken? No, it's an ugly business.

I mean, we raised chicken here. I've slaughtered roosters and put them in the freezer, but it doesn't look anything like that. Sure. Well, Dr. Malone, we're coming up on a break in 30 seconds for four minutes. And on the other side of this, I want to talk to you specifically about MRN, and just educate myself and the audience on what the difference between RNA and DNA is and the potential and the capacity for the technology, because if this bird flu is not a threat to human beings,

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You are receiving this transmission. You are the resistance. Live from Austin, Texas, you're listening to the Alex Jones Show. Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, ladies and gentlemen. I am Chase Geiser, your host

today, joined by the great, the esteemed, the credible Robert Malone. Dr. Robert W. Malone. Doctor, I want to kind of recap what I've gathered from our conversation so far, just so we can make sure that I'm understanding you correctly and then get into a couple of new things. So there is some evidence of gain of function research being done on avian flus, generally speaking, but not specifically to this current stranded bird flu.

Is that correct? But more than some evidence. There's multiple publication. Right, absolutely. Established. Established, established, but not. But the sequencing, research that has been done so far on this, which you seem to think is fairly extensive,

is not indicate necessarily that that transmissible gain of function is implemented on this specific strand. However, it could come out in later developments that that's the case, but not necessarily there yet to make that claim. Now, we know that the virus is not particularly lethal to humans. It's certainly not transmissible human to human. However, it's very lethal to chickens if you take into consideration the virus. the culling policies associated with it.

So even if it's not directly lethal to chickens, if the policy is, hey, if one in the coop gets it, then we're going to tear the whole place down, that's obviously very lethal, right? So it seems to me that we've got this situation in the context of the fact that miscellaneous poultry farm fires have increased 200% over the last four years compared to four years before there were 5,000 chickens who were killed in poultry farm fires from 2016 to 2020.

There have been $1.5 million since 2020, 2024, according to the research that I've done. It's weird that these farms seem to be going up in flames. Maybe there's an explanation that's reasonable for it. Maybe it's something that the farmers do when they realize there's an infection, and rather than killing their whole herd, they want to claim insurance, so they burn it down. I don't know if there's fraud going on. I don't know if it's a deep state going in and trying to create an artificial shortage or not. But there definitely is a push to vaccinate humans in contact with this livestock, with this poultry.

And there has been a push for years to actually vaccinate the poultry directly with mRNA vaccines. Is that correct so far? Forgive me. So the deployed Merck product, and by the way, we started covering this about three years ago. I think we're the ones that first broke the story in our substack. The deployed Merck-MRNA vaccine product for livestock is for swine. It's for these large pig factories. And what Merck does is it comes into a very large swine herd,

samples the circulating viruses, and then builds a custom mRNA vaccine for those circulating viruses, and then goes ahead and vaccinates that swine herd. So the swine industry, your pork, absolutely has been, is highly probable if you're buying it from one of the major producers or the major slaughterhouses indirectly. You probably are receiving a pork product that has been treated with an MRNA product devised by Merck. The chicken industry, and I've actually consulted with the FDA on this, the chicken industry, has extremely tight profit margins, pennies per bird. And the cost of vaccine products is higher than their profit margins.

So they have not, the best of my knowledge, deployed these products into their chicken houses at this point because it's too expensive. Just the mere handling of the chicks to administer the product would exceed their profit margin. This is all the profits, the profit margins on chickens are extremely tight. So this has been the problem historically. The other key problem with the idea of vaccinating these large flocks is that if the vaccine is not perfect and there are no perfect vaccines, what you will end up with is evolution of viruses that become more resistant to the vaccine.

and then they'll spread more rapidly among the other flocks that have been so vaccinated. So the lesson learned over decades in poultry industry and also historically in swine. In Denmark, they don't vaccinate at all for this very reason. In chickens, the lesson has been that it's better in terms of the functional outcome, if you look at the big picture, to go ahead and slaughter the whole flock, rather than to try to vaccinate prophylactically. There's also this, you may recall some of you, Gert vonnebosha, who I used to be a work colleague with

at the company called Solve out of waste of Netherlands. Gert, in his initial objections about the policies for COVID, raised the prospect of a particular chicken virus that was demonstrated upon vaccination. to give rise to a more lethal virus that caused a cancer in chickens. And so this is one of the notable cases that illustrates the point that a crummy vaccine, particularly in livestock conditions, is a lot worse than no vaccine at all. And so those are the drivers here.

One is economic. And the other is this practical consideration that a, a less than perfect vaccine often results in an even worse outcome than calling the flocks. So that's how we get to this point. And it's, now, in terms of the chicken barn fires, you know, you can't, given the new world order and the globalist's various machinations and nefarious activity, I don't think you can discount nefarious activity here. but another alternative hypothesis, I can tell you that not only the margins in producing chickens painfully tight, but the economic reality that the modern chicken farmer faces,

which is essentially indentured servitude, they're forced into a position where they have to get massive loans for these huge barn in operations. They get them from the likes of Purdue and the big chicken producers. They have to use their, chicks, their genetics. They have to use their food. And these large poultry producers basically put the squeeze on the poor souls out in the sticks in Tennessee and northern Georgia and everywhere else to keep their costs down by making it extremely difficult for these people to

get a profit. And they end up in an indentured servitude environment. And I could well imagine that if I was in a situation like that, or if I just inherited it from my dad, I might be a little prone to thinking about whether or not it's a good idea to continue this business. And if you have a contract, you're kind of locked in, and they all have contracts, and so you don't have many options for an exit.

So I just hypothesize that what we may be seeing is the logical outcome of a rather rapacious business practice. Sure. that is really exploiting of poor people in rural areas across America. So I understand what you're saying about the vaccines being too expensive to justify the cost because the margins are so tight on chicken farming as it stands. That makes total sense to me. My concern and my speculation, and please be as hard on me as you want,

my concern is that if the bird flu spread significantly resulting in the death of a substantial number of chickens, And if because of these incredibly tight profit margins, more and more chicken farmers decide to get out of the business, that that would create a shortage that would then justify the government regulating and even perhaps funding the MRNA vaccination of this poultry. Is that possible? Well, I think that what we've seen with the government is a willingness to stretch credibility in order to advance. a variety of agendas, and one of those agendas is the development of this technology platform. And their behavior, the Peter Marks' Bob Cadillic initiative that is called Operation Warp Speed of basically throwing regulatory norms in human vaccine development in the trash can, norms that have been developed over decades, and were there for good reason. the government was clearly in a rush to jam this thing through this tech, you know, damn the torpedoes.

And I don't think you can be skeptical enough of government bureaucratic initiatives and intent. I absolutely endorse that one should be extremely vigilant and extremely aggressive as a investigative journalist operation like the Alex Jones Show in Info Wars in pursuing and holding accountable government officials for their behaviors and it's highly likely that they will use any justification to advance the use of this technology in every possible application. Hence my skepticism about why the emphasis on cattle,

because cattle was the clear bright line in the sand for why this particular technology should not be advanced into the food supply because we have dairy cattle and we know that these products are shed in milk. And so, and there was two different states that had initiatives to try to ban the use of these products, this technology in cattle, in part because of the dairy implications, and in part because the cattlemen's associations raised the point that it was, would decrease the value of their product because consumers would be less likely to take it. So if you want to go down what is a conspiracy theory anymore, it's just a hypothesis, right?

So one hypothesis in a world in which there is a concerted effort to reduce a reliance on cattle as a component of the food supply is that it's actually a good thing, if that's your agenda, to make consumers more skeptical about buying meat. And so I don't think you can be too skeptical about the agendas and the initiatives that are going on. Hence the logic that what we're dealing with, what body, to his credit, and President Trump are dealing with. Yeah. is the most powerful consortium in the world right now,

which is the alignment between the pharmaceutical industry and the military industrial complex. And these folks, you wanted to touch on, before the break, you suggested that we would talk about the difference between RNA and DNA and what's behind all this, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, and I do want to get into that, but I want to mention to you that Alex has sent in a one-minute video

of a couple of questions that he had for you, so I want to make sure that we can get to that. as well. Let's actually run that clip right now and then have your response on the other side. Dr. Malone, thanks for coming on on the last day of 2024. I just had a couple questions for you while I was here watching. Can you elaborate on specifically what Dr. Peter McCullough is saying about all of the manipulation of these different flu strains and bird flu strains that we've seen specifically with the bird flus at some of these research facilities here in the United States in places like Georgia? I understand.

you're saying that it's not clear that it's supposedly weaponized yet or really designed to go into humans. But what type of research are they doing on these facilities with gain of function-like characteristics? And what is their excuse for it? That's my first question. And secondarily, I've seen recently you said that this whole bird flu rollout is just a part two. Siop. Can you elaborate on that? And it looks to me like almost no one's buying it.

It's backfiring massively. What do you expect to come next from the bad guys? And then finally, this term of leaky vaccine. or giving these new vaccines to people during some type of bird flu outbreak, and how could that cause worse mutations as they've been talking about? Thank you so much, sir. Okay, let's see if I can remember, as of a certain age, Alex's three points. Let's start with the most recent one.

What could go wrong with deploying a leaky, inadequate vaccine? and the classic example is antibody dependent enhancement of infection and disease. And so this was something that the FDA raised as a prospect with COVID. But in the case of influenza, this is well documented, that an ineffective vaccine that produces large amounts of, now I think I'm going to get techie, non-neutralizing antibody. What is neutralizing antibody? It coats the virus in ways that makes it so the virus can't infect other cells.

Non-neutralizing antibody can coat the virus, bind to parts of the virus that doesn't block it from infecting its normal cell targets. But even worse, both kinds of antibodies that bind to, this is one way to split the baby, non-neutralizing, it's a lot more nuance than that. Antibodies are very complex. They're basically a swarm of different abilities to bind the virus. But if you have a virus that is bound with an antibody, antibodies you remember are kind of like a fork. And the tines of the fork are the parts that bind. And the back end of the fork that you hold on to is called the FC region.

And it has what's called FC receptors that will bind to it. on other cell types. And an influenza, it's known that antibodies can bind to the flu and then be taken up by other cells that are able to bind those antibodies back in the handle of the fork. And then facilitate uptake and infection of cells that would not normally be infected. Okay. So this is antibody dependent enhancement, and it's one of many different forms.

of vaccine-induced, enhanced disease. We've seen this, it's notorious in respiratory syncytial virus. This is why the Moderna RSV vaccine was blocked from further testing in young children right now. This just recently happened. Okay, so that's one example of how things can go bad if you just say, as Lena Wynn is saying, oh, it produces antibodies in animals, let's go with it, rather than testing whether or not those are actually good antibodies, or there's a strong enough ratio of good antibodies neutralizing to non-neutralizing

to prevent this potential problem from becoming clinically significant. Now, let's go back one. He was talking about the, hopefully I've addressed at least as one example of antibody enhanced infection and disease, of which influenza was really the original example that brought that concept into widespread recognition within the virology and immunology community and vaccinology. Going back to the gain of function research,

and rather than picking on Dr. McCullough, this is really not his core competence. I always defer to him in cardiology and renal biology. gain of function research is justified historically by the logic that I'm going to be a little cynical here. The researchers engaging in it are so brilliantly insightful and so committed to better understanding their particular virus. I mean, this was going on with HIV when I was at UC Davis in other laboratories, gain and function research on HIV and simian immune deficiency virus.

The logic is that it's only by determining what would allow this virus to become more pathogenic, that we can anticipate future changes to the virus and identify them when they start to happen so we know which ones are really bad and which ones we can kind of not be so focused on. So that was the core logic. And remember, the gain of function research historically has been done in the same way that we breed animals. We call it serial passages in virology.

And it's, by the way, what was used to develop the live-attenuated intranasal vaccine that we call flu mist. That was developed through serial passage. But now with modern tech, we can go in and very precisely introduce mutations. One can if you want to do this. And ask the question, if I mutate this in this way, this particular genetic sequence, will it change the infectivity or the pathogenicity of this particular virus in that particular animal model system.

And so this is all justified as necessary and acceptable in the quest for knowledge, but there's also a subtext in many of these laboratories, and they're getting capital, they're getting funding through places like Defense Threat Reduction Agency, DARPA, and others under the logic and NIH. I mean, this is done with smallpox vaccine in Bernie Moss's lab. that came out over the last couple of years, et cetera, that these mutations, once we identify them, well, they potentially can be used in a bio-warfare product.

And oh, by the way, the biowarfare treaty has a gap in it that's so big you can drive an M-1 through it. And that gap is that if it's a non-lethal pathogen, in other words, if it makes you so sick that you won't pick up your missile launcher and fight, that's acceptable, so long as it doesn't necessarily kill you. So there's a whole school of research here in which there is R&D on the development of non-lethal infectious disease for bio-warfare purposes.

And of course, that's happening here. It's happening in Russia. It's happening in China. It's happening throughout the world, and it's also happening in a non-governmental rogue non-nation states. You know, the terrorists. Sure. So that's the dark side of all of this. It's justified the public face.

This is a Janus face situation. The public face is, oh, we have to do this because we have to be able to anticipate threats and better identify them if they develop. But the other side of that is that this can potentially lead to a bioweapon that may be allowable or, well, the other guys might come up with a bioweapon. So we need to come up with a bioweapon in order to counter the bioweapon that the other guys could come up with. And that is absolutely written into NATO policy.

So there's that point. and this has been going on for decades. To be blunt, a good case can be made that modern molecular biology and virology and bacteriology as it exists right now is the consequence of the U.S. government, in part, having spent far more on biorefair, that it's spent on nuclear weapon development. That's how deep we are in it. The heads of the American Society for Microbiology for years and years and years were top guns within the U.S. bio-warfare establishment.

So we've got to be careful about casting stones that this is all the nasty Russians and the nasty Chinese. We've been doing it absolutely ever since the Second World War, and we built that infrastructure at Fort Diedrich, among other places, by importing scientists from Germany and Japan that were very much involved in biowarfare product development. Now, what was the third question? Well, I think Alex wanted to know what you anticipate is going to happen next. We are coming up on a break in about 90 seconds. I want to keep you for the first five minutes of the next hour.

Please, if you'll stay with us, Dr. Malone. This has been fascinating. But in the first five minutes of the next hour, I want to kind of give you the floor and talk about what you think is going to happen next. And I also want you to address the question of whether the mRNA technology in vaccines given to poultry, if that does occur, can potentially inoculate anyone who eats the population. poultry. You mentioned that doesn't seem to be the case right now with the current MRNA from poultry, but maybe from milk specifically from dairy, that's possible. But my question for you would be then, you know, similar to how you can buy a semi-automatic rifle that only fires one round every time you pull the trigger, you can modify it just

slightly and it becomes an automatic weapon? Is it possible that even though currently the MRNA vaccines and poultry wouldn't be transmissible to humans from eating that poultry, is it possible that it could be tweaked or modified in a small way or a substantial way after the infrastructure is in place to inoculate the food supply so that it would inoculate the or vaccinate the people who eat that poultry. So stick with us, Dr. Malone. Thank you so much for your time. On the other side, we'll talk about that question, what you think is going to happen next. Make sure you visit him at support him at Malone. That news.

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It's the Alex Jones Show. Ladies and gentlemen, I am Chase Geiser, your host today on the Alex Jones show before the war room begins at 3 p.m. I believe Maria Z is going to be hosting the war room. I am joined by the esteemed Thomas Renz. Mr. Renz's experience with the law began with his mentor

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DHS, and even Anthony Fauci regarding forced vaccine mandates, big tech censorship, COVID-19, lockdowns, mask mandates, business closures, false PCR data, fraudulent death numbers, and more. Thomas, it is an honor and a pleasure to be with you. Thank you so much for joining me today on The Alex Jones Show. Oh, glad to be here. How are you doing today?

I'm doing well. So the major topic of conversation is this bird flu. And we spoke with Dr. Peter McCullough earlier in the program today. It appears that there was some gain of function research that was conducted on the original strand of this bird flu that made it so that it would infect malice. ducks from poultry and the mallard ducks could spread it from flock to flock all across the continent. And so we've got this spread happening. It's impacting large swaths of chickens apparently, although there haven't been that

many deaths. It's still not transferred human to human, but every single headline seems to be really hyping up this pandemic that no one's dying from. What's going on? Well, they're trying to recreate the COVID pandemic, right? So you had $14 trillion with a T that changed hands in the United States alone from COVID. Nobody's gone to jail yet, and nothing truly has been done to stop it. Now, I think that's about to change with this new administration.

But, you know, until there's some accountability and some truth out there, you can bank on the fact they're going to continue. You know, I want to read you this. This is from Governor Gavin Newsom, who we all love. I say that jokingly. Newsom declared an emergency in California over the bird flu. Nationally, there are a grand total of 65 cases of bird flu in humans. There was a total of... It looks like we might have lost Thomas there.

We might want to reconnect with him. There we go. You're back. So we have basically nothing. Oh, I'm sorry about that. Oh, go ahead. Basically what we're seeing, 65 cases, one hospital is. that's it. Newsom is declaring an emergency. Why? Well, let me read you from his, this is from his

emergency declaration. Quote, to date, no person to person spread of bird flu has been detected in California, and nearly all infected individuals had exposure to infected cattle. Okay, so basically the bird flu is a non-issue, but he's declaring an emergency. Meanwhile, you've got Deborah Birx out there and Liana Wendt out there talking about, well, we need to be testing. Well, let's go back to COVID because we don't need to figure, reinvent the wheel. We can tell you why. They want mass PCR testing. Mass PCR testing.

PCR testing cannot diagnose a disease. We learned that during COVID. It was in court. We've put it everywhere. It's indisputable. You cannot diagnose disease with a PCR test. All you can do is see whether or not there's a certain level of viral load in a person's blood, right? So what's the viral load in a person's blood?

But that doesn't mean they're sick. It could be part of a virus. It could be broken. It could be damaged. There's just genetic fragments of material in the blood. So PCR testing does nothing, but it allows the government to fraudulently, in my opinion, call something a case. They need mass testing so they can claim that there are all these cases of bird flu to justify emergencies, to justify lockdowns, to justify masks. and most importantly, to justify them giving authorization to untested and unproven

mRNA vaccines that will do the same thing or worse than the COVID vaccines. Unbelievable. Now, I'm told that a vaccine already exists for the birdflow. I believe it was Yen who said this recently. Yeah, well, not only does it, we spent $176 million with Moderna this summer to basically pay them to build up their manufacturing capacity for a vaccine that has an even been approved. This was prior to even starting phase three clinical trials. We spent 176 million with them, right? So now understand something. These haven't even undergone phase three

clinical trials. Why is that important? The testing process is really been a disaster. So first of all, understand all mRNA is gene therapy. Okay, gene therapy. And let me explain to you why, because experts will say, no, it's not, no it's not. Okay, MRI is genetic material. You are injecting MRI into your arm for a therapeutic purpose. How is that not gene therapy? It's absolutely gene therapy, right? And whether it integrates into your DNA or not,

something that we're now finding out that they did because SV40 contamination is less relevant than whether or not it is a gene therapy by definition. It is. Now, we know because I have the FDA documents that show that with gene therapies, there is the potential for what's called a delayed adverse event, delayed adverse reactions. That means that three, five, ten years down the road, you can get, according to the FDA, autoimmune disorders, you can get issues with cancer, all sorts of different things. Now, we don't know what or what's going on with it, but what we do know is that this is a, a very serious thing and that the result of this is what we're seeing. I think this is the result

of the turbo cancer we're seeing. I think it's safe to say that. Now, you can't do long-term studies. Long-term studies on these take 10, 20 years to do. The first set of MRNA vaccines came out in 2020. We're not at 10 years yet, so there are no long-term studies. So now you have Leanna-Wen and other big pharma shills out there pushing to skip even the early, short-term care, stage studies, authorize this stuff, and put it out there for something that has killed no one, has 65 cases, and has one hospitalization, for what? For what? I mean, we're going to put something out there that's going to kill and maim hundreds of thousands or millions for a disease that isn't even making people sick. So let me ask you this. Is the vaccine that they

claim to have for the bird flu and MRNA vaccine specifically? Absolutely. The modern MRNA vaccine is an MRNA vaccine. Now, now understand we use MRNA right now as kind of this catch-all. The reality is as Pfizer's admitted that their MRNA is not actually messenger RNA. So when you say MRNA, most people think messenger RNA. Messenger RNA is something that is in every human being out there, and that's from my substack. Please make sure you're checking it out, time runs that substack.com. But messenger RNA is in every living being, right?

Messenger RNA is just part of us. Pfizer admitted in their documents that the Pfizer vaccines are not messenger RNA. They're mod RNA. And all of these vaccines are mod RNA. And what that means, the difference is huge. Again, messenger RNA is something that naturally occurs. Mod RNA is something created in a laboratory. Now, you're putting this modified RNA that does not,

exist in nature in your arm and it's doing something in your body right now we know that part of what it does is it forces you to create the spike protein which is the pathogen from COVID right so for the COVID jabs we know it's bad but what else it does you know is unclear we haven't had long-term testing a lot of the safety tests were bypassed nobody really knows or understands how this stuff works there's a ton of gas work the trials the clinical trials the more stuff the more stuff coming out from the clinical trials from the Pfizer documents and other such stuff that we find, the worse it looks. They bypassed. They skipped everything.

And they're not really liable. No, they're not. They're certainly not liable. In fact, they were released. The messenger RNA vaccines were released by our military. So Pfizer didn't actually, when you got your Pfizer vaccine, you weren't getting it from Pfizer. Pfizer sold it to the military and then the military distributed it. So if you want to sue, you have to sue the military.

And that's if you, that's, I mean, you can't even do that if you want to because you have the, you have the law that prohibits you from suing anybody on it. This is, there's so many layers of liability protection. It's ridiculous. So they're not safe. They're not effective because if they were, why do you need so much liability protection? Second of all, if they release them under emergency use authorization, they're going to continue to do it under Prep Act and this, that and other with all this immunity so no one can touch any. It can sue them. I mean, there's layers and layers on this, but yet Leanna Len is out there advocating for us to release something that has not completed safety tests using a platform that's already demonstrably unsafe.

The MRNA platform has been demonstrably unsafe to this point. She doesn't want to continue safety tests for a disease that's hit 65 people in the entire United States. what are you thinking? Tom, let's run that clip of Yen and unpack it on the other side that you mentioned. Let's see. What should be happening in the Biden administration right now that isn't going on?

Yeah, there are two main things that they should be doing in the days that they have left. The first is to get testing out there. I feel like we should have learned our lesson from COVID that just because we aren't testing, it doesn't mean that the virus isn't there. It just means that we aren't looking for it. We should be having rapid tests,

home tests available to all far more to their families, for the clinicians taking care of them so that we aren't waiting for public labs and CDC labs to tell us what's bird flu or not. And the second very important thing is this is not like the beginning of COVID where we were dealing with a new virus. We didn't have a vaccine. There actually is a vaccine developed already against H5N1. The Biden administration has contracted with manufacturers to make almost 5 million doses of the vaccine. However, they have not asked the FDA to authorize the vaccine. There's research done on it.

They could get this authorized now and also get the vaccine out. And to farm workers and to vulnerable people. I think that's the right approach because we don't know what the Trump administration is going to be doing around bird flu. If they have people coming in with anti-vaccine stances, could they hold up vaccine authorization? If they don't want to know how much bird flu is out there, could they withhold testing? I mean, that's a possibility.

And I think the Biden administration in the remaining days should get testing and vaccines widely available so that at least it empowers state and local health officials and clinicians to do the right thing for their patients. Dr. Wynne, is bird flu ingredients? What do you think of that? Well, I mean, it's an absolute absurdity. So first of all, when she says that the FDA has authority to do this, sure, under emergency use authorization, but what emergency is there? There is no emergency. 65 cases.

65. In what planet can anybody suggest that that's an actual emergency? This woman is a, this woman is so full, now by the way, are you aware that she actually led planned parenthood? No, I'm not. So she's out, yeah, so she was president of Planned Parenthood for about a minute. So the woman that's out there telling us how we have to protect the kids was in charge of Planned Parenthood. I think that's an interesting thing. Sure. But this woman is talking about using emergency powers to bypass safety testing so that you can get something out there that we don't know is safe to protect people from a virus that's not an issue. It's insanity. There's another aspect of this, though, that's critical. I don't want to overlook that she opened up talking about the testing predicate to them being able to get away with their, their, lies about this being an emergency is that everybody starts getting PCR tests again. If they PCR test everything, the thing about PCR is if you run it in a high enough cycle threshold,

you'll find anything you want to find. They admitted that. We found that during COVID. So they can find exposure to anything they want to find if they run a certain type of PCR test at a certain type of cycle threshold. So they want testing because then they can say there's a hundred million cases of the bird flu. We're all going to die. And every. everybody that dies, they can label a bird flu death, just like they did with COVID. Then they can try and mandate the flu vaccines. Now, this is where it becomes really insidious. The law around COVID vaccines is different than the law around flu vaccines.

Because there were no COVID vaccines 10 years ago. Flu vaccines have been out for a long time. And the crooks at the Biden FDA have for the last several years been trying to kind of mesh the authorization for the flu vaccine with authorization for MRI. Because if they have an MRI flu vaccine, they're going to try and say that they can mandate it in the same way that they used to be able to traditionally mandate flu vaccines. And under the law, there are certain situations where, for example,

health care workers and stuff, they've got a lot of latitude to try and force those vaccines on these traditionally licensed and authorized vaccines. So they're trying to mess us and get this into the flu vaccine so that they can get away with trying to use the law for a traditional vaccine to mandate this MR&A poison because they want to force it in everybody's arm. What I don't understand, and I'm somebody who at this point, I'm just never going to get another vaccine no matter what, regardless of it's safe, regardless of whether it works.

I'd rather risk getting measles or bubonic than ever get a vaccine because I've just lost all trust. I was somebody before 2020 that, yeah, if I cut my thumb on a rusty knife, I would have immediately gone and gotten a tetanus shot, which now I've kind of learned is totally stupid. That being said, for decades, the experts in health care and legal fields have said that vaccines have been safe and effective. All the different vaccines, the dozens upon dozens of different vaccines that we offer that we schedule our children to take. And it's just in the last few years that we've seen this major push for the mRNA vaccines. So my question is, why is it that the industry is so gung-ho, dead set, determined to push these MRNA vaccines instead of developing another more traditional vaccine? Well, they're cheaper to build and to roll out.

They can roll them out faster. And, yeah, I think that they also cause a number of – nobody really knows what's in these or how they work or what's happening. And I think that, you know, there's so many health issues that are associated. with it and some of them are really delayed. They make big pharma customers for life. Once you've taken these, you're a permanent big pharma customer. I mean, that's just kind of the way it's going. I think the big thing to remember here.

So on 2021, I came on this show with Alex, right? And we talked about a few things that I think are absolutely vital for people to remember. And I want to reiterate one thing. So back then, we talked about, they still were disputing it, but I brought on evidence and I said, okay, masks don't work. Social distancing is made up, right? And we now know that masks don't work and social distancing is made up. We brought on evidence about issues with vaccine.

So what we did was we brought on hard evidence proving that the government was lying about things. And the best example is social distancing because they've now admitted that they literally made that up out of thin air. It was garbage. It was always garbage. And we talked about that. And I said to Alex, and I've been saying this since 2021. I have for five years now been proving these people are liars with evidence. I don't need science.

I don't need anything. I use their words. I give you their document that says one thing and I show you their words that say another. So either they lied when they wrote the documents or they lied when they spoke. I don't even care when they lied because here's the point. If they've lied, I ask everybody this question. When do you trust a lie? and the federal government, Big Pharma, the mainstream media, has not stopped lying about COVID

and everything related to it in vaccines for five years. I only have to prove to you a handful of instances before I say how many times do you trust a liar? They've lied more times than I can count. At this point, the most important thing we need to ask ourselves is how many times are you going to trust people that are making millions, if not billions, if not trillions of dollars? off of lying to you before you start saying, I'm an idiot. I keep trusting liars. What am I doing?

That's what's happening here. And that's the message that everybody needs to be asking themselves. So it's obvious. It's common sense that so long as there isn't any accountability for these actions, these things are going to continue, right? We busted the government for MK. Ultra in the 70s. They destroyed all the documents. Nobody went to prison.

They're probably still doing the same stuff. there have been false flags after false flags from Gulf of Duncan all the way up to present day that have gotten us into war and conflict constantly. No accountability. Nobody goes to prison. Entire economy crashes between 2006 and 2008. I think maybe one banker was prosecuted and the entire corrupt litany of financial industry leaders that were involved. So how can we hold these people accountable when they have. have legally protected themselves from liability, whether it's the pharmaceutical companies. I mean, we literally had Fauci lying to Congress about gain of function research and whether we

were funding it and getting caught in the lie based off of his own emails. Just like you said, I just say what they wrote and then I say what they said and they were either lying in one of these. We catch them all the time and red-handed. It's not even speculation or conjecture or circumstantial evidence. It's not even weird. It's like obvious you lied. How do we hold these people accountable?

Yeah, so, I mean, there's a number of ways that this can happen. The most important thing right now is that we've got a new administration coming in. We've got Bobby coming in at HHS. And Bobby's talking about getting to true science, right? He's not saying we're going to get rid of this or get rid of that. He said he wants to get to the truth. And that's what we have to do, right? The truth will set us free.

And there may be times where we were wrong. I don't think there are. I think we've been pretty spot on. but, you know, there may be. The thing that we have to do, though, is we have to get to the truth. And once we get the truth out there, there will be ways to hold these people accountable on certain levels. Now, we have to also have some political will. But I think that as, you know, the Trump administration comes in, and as they start to see exactly how badly they were lied to and manipulated,

and how badly all the stuff that was done was done, you know, with the intent, the absolute intent, to ensure that the 2020 election went the way than it did. I mean, listen, without the lockdowns, without this manufactured crisis, there was no mail-in voting like they had. Sure. There was all these ballot boxes, the drop boxes, all this nonsense that happened, couldn't have happened without COVID. And I'm hoping that as the president starts to recognize, you know,

some of the evidence and as some of the true evidence comes out, that, you know, that he and the administration will decide that, They need to leverage some of that mandate that they were given with such a huge win to open the door to some real accountability. I will tell you on the private side, you know, as an attorney looking at this on the outside, I do think that if enough evidence becomes available, there are certain actions that we can take to hold these people accountable civilly and things like that. That's going to take. There's more. We need more evidence. We need more this.

We need more of that. But we're not far off. And we're getting closer. And we're seeing some of these companies get held accountable for ignoring religious exemptions. And we're seeing success in the courts in some places. That'll continue to ramp up. And then as more evidence and more data comes out, that will not just ramp up, but it should explode. And so I'm real hopeful that over the next four years, we should be able to get a few things done.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I am Chase Geiser, your host of the Alex Jones Show today. This segment, I'm joined by Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. Peter McCullough is an internist cardiologist, epidemiologist, managing the cardiovascular complications of both the viral infection and the injuries developing. the COVID-19 vaccine in Dallas, Texas. He's got 51 peer-reviewed publications. You've seen him before on the network.

He's an American hero. It's an honor and a pleasure, Dr. McCullough, to be with you today. Thank you. So what are your thoughts about this H5N1? You know, bird flu or H5N1 influenza has been around for over a hundred years well documented in the scientific literature in the United States. The most recent outbreak, which is now four years old, we've published. The McCullough Foundation is published with first author, Nick Holcher, an epidemiologist in the journal of poultry, fisheries, and wildlife sciences, peer-reviewed journal, that the current strain of bird flu is a product of gain-of-function research done in the USDA Pultery Research Laboratory in Athens, Georgia. So it is a man-made problem that our farms are experiencing right now. It's in the peer-reviewed literature.

And it's really, you know, the next steps in this outbreak is for people to understand, you know, the ramifications of it personally and how to be prepared. Well, obviously, all the evidence is overwhelming that the COVID-19 virus was a product of gain of function research. Wuhan lab. It's come out. I mean, there's so many whistleblowers, various scientists that are very reputable, that have analyzed the genetic makeup of the virus. Everybody knows that that was the instance. Now, this is the first time I'm hearing this. I do totally believe. you because after all you are the expert here and I trust you. But this is the first that I've heard that the bird flu is a product of gain of function. Now, based on the research that I've done, and this is just with chat GPT and basic Google research.

So I believe you that it's over 100 years old, but I'm seeing that the first instance of it was discovered in 1961 in South Africa, and then there was a human instance of it in Hong Kong in 1997. So is this current form of H5N1 of a different genetic makeup than what we would? would have discovered or studied in a lab in the 60s? It is. It's circulating clade, which is the kind of the original source strain, is clade 2344B. And again, that is a product of what's called serial passage gain of function research done at the USDA Pulmonary Research Laboratory.

It was assisted by University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine and Rotterdam University. the gain of function was to get it to spread from chickens into migratory waterfowl or mallard ducks. And so that's how it's spreading across the world. Now it's been spreading for four years. It continually reinfects the farms because the mallard ducks fly around and they land in ponds on farms and they easily infect the other animals on the farm. So it was able to, in a sense, expand the host range, even into cattle and to sea mammals.

Now, the good news is it's much milder than bird flu of decades ago. And there's the peer-reviewed paper by Nick Hoccher on this. And, you know, and this has not been denied by the USDA Poetry Research Center. McCullough Foundation attended the bird flu summits in both University of Arkansas as well as in Washington, D.C. So there's no denial of this. Just like COVID-19, the bird flu problem is a. man-made problem by the U.S. government.

Now, it makes sense to me from a military research or a national security viewpoint that, obviously, if you have a flu that affects certain herds or cattle or groups of animals like poultry, farms are oftentimes very isolated. You might have a chicken coop here and another one for 100 miles, right? And so if something happens in one group, it could be isolated to that until the group's dead or it goes away. But by doing gain of function research, you can actually have something spread from herd to herd or group to group all over any geographic area or expansive areas. So from a national security perspective or a military perspective, if we wanted to do research on a

bio weapon, for example, that could eradicate all of the poultry in China and the event of World War 3 if we wanted to undermine their food supply, I guess that makes sense. But my question for you is, why would we be doing that kind of research here in the United States? Why are we doing gain of function research on viruses that infect chickens? It's called dual-purpose research on pathogens of pandemic potential. That's the official government name for this. And the Biden administration put out guidance in May of 2024. That's very loose, saying as long as there's two purposes,

We can create a more dangerous, more transmissible pathogen, provided there's a secondary purpose, that is to develop a vaccine or to study some other so-called countermeasure therapy, for instance. The stated goal of the USDA in doing this research was simply to get it to jump from chickens into mallard ducks, and that way it could spread all over. So it's a bad line of thinking to continue to do gain of function research. And I hope under the new administration, one of the very first steps taken by the U.S. National Institutes of Health, the CDC and the NIH, would it be to do an all-out ban on gain of function research, certainly in U.S. labs and our funding of labs outside the United States, because we know it's not just the government that funds this research, but also Gates Foundation. many other pro-vaccine foundations are ramping up gain-of-function research. Even in the initial spending bill that the U.S. House of Representatives had that Mike Johnson initially presented,

there were 12 more U.S. biolabs proposed. So from your perspective, is this an act of malice or incompetence? I mean, is this just an instance of the government not knowing what it's doing, or is there an intentional malicious nature to this, gain of function research? You know, the overall design of the research in terms of getting the viruses to do way more than what they would do in nature in many ways, I think is viewed by those doing the work as a scientific achievement. The incompetence is the lab leaks. Now, it turns out that lab leaks are numerous. And once we start working with animals, particularly mallard ducks, which can escape and fly around, now of interest,

interest, we have not had large numbers of animals die. I attended the University of Arkansas Bird flu summit. The estimate is only about 10,000 chickens have died in the last four years of bird flu. However, tens of millions of chickens have been intentionally culled or killed as a biosecurity measure. So you can see the biosecurity measures taken are far worse than the disease itself. The mallard ducks are developing natural immunity. The farms in cattle and chickens that have not been called, they develop natural immunity. And just like in decades before, the answer to bird flu is to allow animal natural immunity. One thing I noticed in my research, I compared the number of spontaneous, accidental, poultry farm fires over the course of the last four years to the previous four years.

Now, from 2016 to 2020, about 500,000 or something. so chickens died in poultry farm fires. In 2020 to 2024, it's about 1.5 million. So we've seen a 200% increase in spontaneous fires of these poultry farms. Is this in any way connected to the calling measures that are being taken? I can't possibly know, but it's going in the same direction. And the direction is that consumers will notice that the price of poultry, and particularly the price of eggs, has skyrocketed.

These factors that you've outlined have constrained the U.S. food supply. So I want to talk a little bit about leaky viruses, and please, pardon my ignorance. I'm not an expert in medical things. I'm just somebody who can research a little bit on my own and try to understand things. I know that some virologists have been critical of vaccinating during a pandemic because it can create mutations that make viruses resilient to the vaccines and more infectious. Now, we've seen advocates, whether it's Yen or this Ursula person, come out and say that we've already got a vaccine for the bird flu. There's five million

of them. We're just waiting on the Biden administration to approve giving them to at least the farmers to prevent them from getting this bird flu. What are your thoughts, as a scientist, as a doctor, on vaccinating for this bird flu at the state that we're in?

Vaccinating either humans or poultry for bird flu is a giant mistake. And this is the reason why in China they've actually tried vaccinating the poultry now for about two decades. It's backfired. It's made the virus spread even more. The vaccines are not sterilized, and so the animals can be vaccinated and carry the virus. The same thing is true in humans. Now, in 2021, the FDA did approve

this CSL-sequarius antigen-based flu vaccine, but we've carefully looked at the package insert, and there were far more deaths in normal human volunteers who took this bird flu vaccine. They took it voluntarily to be in the clinical trial, then placebo. This is very disturbing. This is with an antigen-based vaccine. The U.S. has poured a huge amount of money into Moderna to make a messenger RNA bird flu vaccine. And now we have Dr. Wen coming on all the TV shows pushing the Biden administration to get this bird flu vaccine out.

It looks like it would be dangerous. it would be poorly effective. And it's a far wiser strategy to use dilute, pavidone iodine nasal sprays and throat sprays, gargles, even dilute eye drops are perfectly fine. And at the wellness company, we provide those in immune mist, and we have a contagion kit that can treat bird flu easily in humans.

We've only had 65 human cases. They've been mild, save for one man who didn't get early treatment with the wellness company. products. So I would much rather see America outfit our farm workers with practical things to reduce contact with and contracting the virus as opposed to getting sick and waiting for a vaccine. That's exactly the same thing that happened with COVID-19. Now, your viewers can go to online health now.com and get the discount through the InfoWars portal for the wellness company products. Absolutely. I mean, we just saw the disaster that happened over 2020. So I love the

therapeutic approach rather than just trusting these experimental medications. I'm somebody with type A severe hemophilia. And so I have family that actually live during the 80s when companies like Bear infected 10,000 hemophiliacs in the United States knowingly with HIV and hepatitis. So whenever I see these pharmaceutical companies come out and advocate for experimental medications or vaccines. I'm always a little wary because I understand the audacity of large organizations where no individual feels accountable for their crimes. And I just can't believe that people may fall for this again. I hope that they don't. But I'm looking at this data, Dr. McCullough, from the World Health Organization. This is from October 25th, 2024. And it's got a breakdown

that includes Australia, Cambodia, China, Lao, Vietnam of human infections since 2003 of H5N1. And I'm looking from 2010 to 2014, there were 71 cases reported by the WHO. And from 2020 to 2024,

there have only been a cumulative 23. Now, I'm sure that some went under the radar during COVID because they probably just blamed it on COVID. But if there were three times the number of human cases of this virus from 2010 to 2014, then there have been in the last four years, why is

it that there's all this panic and alarm happening right now? It's being driven by vaccine promoters and enthusiasts who are set to profit massively from vaccination. The Gates Foundation, World Economic Forum, their product, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness, Innovation, SEPI, they've all invested massively not only in messenger RNA, bird flu vaccines, but self-replicating vaccines. These are vaccines we can't turn off. once they're injected into the human body.

So it's a play for the vaccine industry to reap massive profits. Remember, their customers are governments. And we've already seen the government of Finland, as an example, invest, and they've started to vaccinate farm workers. The European Commission has invested. The U.S. government invested in Moderna. It's a giant mistake because it will foster resistance strains. Right now, there is no human-to-human spread.

We've never had a U.S. death due to bird flu ever. Now, there have been deaths in Southeast Asia with very undernourished poor families, sleeping with chickens, having no access to health care, and those legacy mortality rates that are quoted. In fact, Leanna Wann and Deborah Burks have recently, I think, misled America by quoting these mortality rates from the legacy data. They don't apply in the U.S. A wellness company kid outfits patients with using ulcetamivir to help reduce viral replication, hydroxychloroquine has activity. We cover secondary pneumonia with azithromycin. And, you know, in our hands, we will not have a serious case of bird flu develop.

It's a much wiser investment to go to onlinehealth.now.com and invest in the immune-missed set of products, the nasal spray and gargle, and the black contagion kit from the wellness company, that's going to cover the problem as farms and workers develop natural immunity. You know, I'd actually like to show one of the clips of Burke's specifically. This is clip number 22, just so the audience can see what you're talking about, and let's unpack it on the other side. Go ahead and run it, please.

It could become infectious to humans even if it's not coexisting with the human flu, right? Well, if it mutates like it did in this individual or in the case, in the case in Canada. But that sometimes is a random slower process. But if you have that co-infection, then you can share genes. Okay. And that's a really, to me, the spring and the summer where we had all of the dairy cattle to farm worker exposure, we didn't have human flu circulating. So now we're entering a much more dangerous period. yet we're still not testing.

And we should be providing tests free of charge to dairy farm workers so they can test anonymously weekly because they want to know if they have both cases of potential fluous, co-circulating in their own body to protect their families. People are very smart. I find the American public to be incredibly smart. If you tell them the risk and you give them the tools, they will utilize them to protect themselves and their family.

So given this double whammy that you laid out, do you think it's just a matter of time until there's just a full-fledged pandemic here? Well, certainly we're setting ourselves up for that potential, which, you know, I flashed back to January of 2020, and I'm hearing the same words come out of the CDC. Like what? Low risk, low risk of human-to-human transmission.

Didn't we hear that from the WHO and the CDC about COVID? So I think our way through this is to use 21st century technology. Remember, it was the private sector that gave us tests within weeks. We went from 20,000 tests to 2 million tests. So if we got the private sector engaged in our response, they would help us get tests out to all of the dairy farms, all the poultry farms, where they could test both the chickens and the people exposed to the chickens.

And then we would know how far spread this virus was. Right now we're just looking for symptoms again. We should never be tracking viruses through symptoms. You don't see a virus through a symptoms. You see the virus through the test. And we know from COVID most of the spread was asymptomatic. If we had been testing in January, as many other countries were, we wouldn't have had the spread that we had. So I'm hoping we learn from...

So, Dr. This is a motif of advocating for expanded government powers in response to pandemics. This was obviously in the omnibus bill, the $1.2 trillion bill that you briefly mentioned that Mike Johnson put forward a couple of weeks ago, of course, was voted down. There were government expansions on the next pandemic. We've got Gavin Newsom declaring a state of emergency in California because one person in Louisiana came down with the flu. And when I look back on 2020, and please correct me if I'm wrong, it seems to me that the response to that pandemic was far deadlier than the pandemic itself. The amount of people that were displaced, the amount of jobs that were lost. I mean, I know they've done studies.

they did studies back during the Reagan administration, that every 1% that unemployment goes up in the United States, 40,000 people die, 30,000 to 40,000 people die from stress-related deaths, heart attacks, things like that. And so if you look at all the people that lost their businesses and their jobs, there's thousands of people, thousands upon thousands that died during 2020 because of the response. We know that people weren't getting screened or tested for cancer because they didn't want to go to the hospital because they thought everybody there would stick with COVID. And so there's cancer rates that are going through the roof. Obviously, there's myocarditis issues, other issues from the vaccine response. Seems to me that the response to COVID-19 resulted in more deaths than COVID-19 itself. I could be incorrect there. And I don't understand how these people have the audacity to advocate for an even more robust response to this seemingly non-issue bird flu when we know what happened after the last time.

What's going on, doctor? I agree with you, particularly useless, asymptomatic. PCR testing, which is what Burtz is advocating. Remember, that was done during COVID, during the time where employers did asymptomatic testing. All of the studies weighed in. The rate of any positive test was way less than 1%. And when it was positive, it was a false positive. So in 2021, against what Dr. Berks is advocating. In 2021, the WHO said stop asymptomatic testing because COVID-19 is not spread asymptomatically.

Now Berks is advocating to test both animals and humans who are asymptomatic with the bird flu PCR test, which will raise false positive results. Remember, testing is not a preventive therapy. It's much wiser to use nasal sprays and gargles and throat sprays, then actually trying to test for the virus, keep our

workforce healthy, let the animals gain natural immunity and don't start a campaign for quarantining, which is what Gavin Newsom is doing right now. They got 47% of the cattle quarantined and then do PCR testing

and not offering any solution. What's the point? Quarantine the cattle? if it spreads via mallards. The whole point of the gain of function research was that you can quarantine cattle and it will still spread, right? Right. And so the quarantining and the PCR is useless because the mallard ducks will continue to reinfect the farms. And one of the things you'll see from the CDC as well as their surrogates like Dr. Wen and Dr. Birx is they never mention how it's spreading from farm to farm.

You started out by saying farms are greatly separated. So the vector of spread is the mailer duck. It's going to continue to reinfect it. PCR testing that's government-controlled that cannot be validated and then having a case count that's not adjudicated. Berg says we can't rely on symptoms. What I say is we should have a clinical definition for an animal case of bird flu and a human case of bird flu and then do accurate epidemiology.

that's not what she's suggesting. Now you mentioned that this strain of, if I understood correctly, of the bird flu is much less lethal than earlier strains. And I know that there are reports from other nations that might have iodine efficiencies or other issues that are causing them to be immunocompromised that show that 50 to 60% of people who get infected with the bird flu die. That's been the historical kind of report. Is that just not true of this strain, especially in the United States? Why is it that it's less lethal than it used to be? That 50% mortality rate comes from data two decades ago in Southeast Asia, undernourished families, sleeping with their chickens, no access to health care. And they got very sick over many, many weeks.

There were cases published in the New England Journal of Medicine in 2005. I reviewed those cases. And I think every one of them would have been saved in a U.S. health care system, even back in 2000. 2005. Now with the wellness company products, immune mist nasal sprays and gargles and contagion kit, I don't think we'll even have a serious case. Now, the man who was hospitalized in Louisiana, he had dead birds in his backyard, had a lot of contact, waited a very long time, got sick. He had medical problems. He's over age of 65. He's hospitalized. He's going to survive and he's going to be okay. And we're going to preserve our track record that we've never had a U.S. death.

due to bird flu. We've never had human-human transmission. What you're seeing in the media now is a false alarm to create fear and drive people into mass vaccination. Unbelievable. I really hope that we don't fall forward again. It's so soon since 2020. Dr. McCullough, it's been an honor and pleasure to have you on the Alex Jones show. Thank you for joining me. I learned a lot from this conversation. I always learned a lot listening to you. Please follow him on X at P underscore McCullough, MD, and visit online health, now.com to get all of the healthy, preventative measures you need to keep yourself from getting sick at all. I mean, this isn't going to just help Dr. McCullough with bird flu. I mean, this is

going to help with any virus, right? That's right. Burks mentioned co-infection with the seasonal influenza and bird flu. The only way to handle it is with the immune mist, nasal spray and gargle, and the black contagion kit. Co-infection can happen. The chances of that are very, very low. But if it does, let's handle it early and not let it get out of control. Thank you so much. Honor and a pleasure. Stay with us for more on the other side. Patriot apparel, the supplements at the Yellowshone store.com,

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Candice Owens is with us for 30 minutes, the Marjorie Taylor Green and others today. Candice, this is a little short five minutes segment. We joined 400 plus radio stations coming up the next segment. But just out of the gates, when I get you, I don't even need to, you know, ask for talking points. I just always want to hear what you're covering now. What's your takeaway? Are you positive about it?

Will the deep state strike back? Candice, thank you so much for being with us. Lots to say, and thank you for having me, Alex. It's nice to be back where it all began, one of the first people that had me on your show. I think it was PJW and then I did your show. But, you know, look, everyone very excited last week. We should be excited.

It was a major win. It was too big to rig. I think it provided even further evidence that 2020 was rigged for those who are not too big of cowards to openly admit that because they're so scared of being called a conspiracy theorist or an insurrectionist. I've maintained that. 2020 was stolen. They used COVID to do it.

Now, you know, the first part of the sprint was just getting Trump into the office. We obviously understood that he is the man for the job. He's been resilient. He's survived assassination attempts. And I think now what it is is about holding basically everyone around him accountable, their feet to the fire and making sure that there is not an infiltration. And that is a major concern right now that there are people around him that have infiltrated. And the biggest example of that, of course, is the fact that Mike Pompeo's name was even being floated at all.

Nikki Haley's name was even being floated at all. I had it on very good authority, and I'm not going to name names here, but there were basically neocons, the warhawks, the people that love to send Americans over to die overseas, especially if they're Southern Americans. They love to send Southern men over to die overseas because they're probably the last shred of masculinity that we have in this country, you know. And they are hellbent on this war with Iran. And so the concern was that he was going to put people in his cabinet that are these warhawks. And so I want to know, yes, it's great. Trump tweets that Mike Pompeo, thank you, Nikki Haley, for your service. Thank you, Mike Pompeo.

You will not be in the new administration. But what's important is who was in his ear that he even suggested it? That person also has to go. Every person who said to him, yes, hire Mike Pompeo, get him back in there. They also need to go because we have the neocons bragging in private that they've got a guy on the inside. And here's what they're saying. This is what I was told by somebody who was present for one of these conversations held by a neocon. They basically said they know how to manipulate Trump.

They know that all they have to do is to flatter him, right? All we have to do is flatter Trump and tell him that if he does this is going to be perceived as amazing. And they feel that because they came in at the end with money that Trump will do as they say. Now, I don't believe that. I know Trump is his own man. And I think that's going to give them trouble is Trump is an alpha. He's not going to sit around and be bossed around. by a bunch of people.

But of course, this is a major concern for us. And we're still happy. We're still celebrating. But now we have to make sure that these cabinet picks are correct. I absolutely agree with you. And it was good that he did get rid of Haley and Pompeo. And I talked to folks that talked to Trump and were the ones that showed in the video, Pompeo, celebrating the Marlago raid and saying Trump's basically guilty.

Trump did not even know about that. So people that think Trump, he is very smart. he's a great guy, but he doesn't know a lot of stuff. He's 78 years old. He misses a lot of things, and it's really up to us the new media. We're not the alternative. We are the media to spotlight these cockroaches. What do you think of talk of Rubio being the Secretary of State?

It's a nonsense. Obviously, Rubio should not be the Secretary of State for the same reasons. And if you want further proof of that, go look at Trump's old tweets about how Rubio was bought and paid for. And so, again, a lot of what happens in my understanding, and I've seen this in person, is that he's got a bunch of people around him that print out articles and show him, oh, this is what's in the news say about it. And he trusts these people, of course, because they're in his inner circle. And, but if they're only showing him a certain version of articles, they're very, very much

controlling what he sees. So if Mike Pompeo says something nasty about him, they simply just won't show him. The Mike Pompeo article or the tweet or whatever it was that he said, the video, that is him saying something nasty. So we need to make sure that Trump is having daily conversations with people that we know are undoubtedly American first. Canada, stay right there. Back in 60 seconds, stay with us.

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That's a whole story how the left was false flagging her and trying to control her. And she discovered it was them sending her racist stuff, trying to get the social media company. She'd set up under their control. I mean, it's the same program that they've run against the American people over and over again. and this election of Trump, despite all the fraud, is a repudiation of that gaslighting. But if you just joined us, a lot of stations just joined us at the sixth after,

she was getting into what's front and center, getting Trump in in 68 days, and then making sure his cabinet and other positions don't get filled with globalists. And she said earlier, if you just joined us, and I wanted to recap that, that the fact that Pompeo was even considered, the fact that Trump last week had him in a rally saying nice things,

and then I got the clip to rod, He didn't know about it. He got it to Tulsi. She showed it to him. Roger talked to Tulsi. You know, Rogers at Marlogue all the time, too, but he's really good friends with Tulsi. They talk every day. And she went in, showed Trump, and he got pissed.

And then we found five or six other clips, got him to her. And that's just how this works. But it's scary because Trump, you know, only watches this and that. And he misses this with Pompeo on TV saying, yeah, Trump's guilty. You know, he shouldn't have had these secret documents, which, of course, the president legally lawfully can. And so he's going to go to president. ha ha ha. I mean, it was so simple to get that to Trump, but nobody else was going to do it. Because a lot of the politicos, even when Trump got in in 2016, knew there were bad people around him,

but they didn't want to expose it because they didn't want to get kicked out of the White House. But they still got kicked out anyways. So this is a real fight. So I don't tell that story. Oh, look how important I am. I got the information to Roger. He told the story a few days ago here on air and then he got it to Trump. That's ridiculous that I'm having to do that.

So, Candace, that goes to your point. Yeah, absolutely. And so this is a major concern. And it's something that we need to make sure we're loud about, that we get these things trending. Like we made a lot of noise about Mike Pompeo, but he's not the only one. And like I said, whoever floated his name is obviously still within close proximity to Trump. You know, at least we know that we have allies and Eric and Don and they're going to have their father's ear. And they were, Don at least was very vocally against Mike Pompeo on Instagram and those things.

But I mean, Marco Rubio, what is this? What are we even talking about? The problem, I think, is that Trump is magnetism. He does want to bring people in and say, okay, you know, I forgive you for what you may have thought about me in the past because that's what he should do. He should be forgiving. But he can't be so forgiving that he doesn't realize that his forgiveness is being used as a strategy to infiltrate because that's exactly what's happening right now. They go, okay, well, they now are saying behind closed doors that all we have to do is flatter him. So they look at what they did in 2016, 2018, leading up and they attacked Trump. They attacked Trump. They literally tried to help get Hillary Clinton elected. Think about that. Hillary Clinton, Van Gogh. Hillary Clinton, they tried to get her in office. They started the never Trump movement. You know, the neocons, we will never, Trump will never accept this. They had no reason other than the fact that, well, they wanted Hillary Clinton because she's a war hawk and she's a part of the establishment and she's a part of the deep state. And when that failed, they then took a step back, re-evaluated,

and said, what's the best thing for us to do? Well, I think they determined at the very end when Trump was somehow to them fought through. And now he's at the top of the Republican nominee. ticket, okay, what we're going to do is we're going to have to try a different strategy. We're going to pretend that we're on his side, right? We're going to pretend that we're on his side. We're going to give money to him. We're going to tell him how great he is. We're going to flatter him. We're going to get into his innermost circle. And then

we are going to suggest that he put this person into this place or that person into the other place. This is an infiltration. These neocons hate you. Trump needs to hear this. Neocons absolutely hate you. I can attest to that. It pains them that you're in a position

of power, but they view you as weak. in terms of wanting to be liked. And so that is the hole that they see. And like I said, we have to continue to speak out loud about this. You know, there's tons of people who I still believe are blackmail, the majority of our congressmen are blackmail. I think you and I both understand that. We are seeing over and over again these blackmail operations that keep getting exposed.

So when you wonder why you have congressmen voting a certain way, when you wonder why you have congressmen sending billions to Ukraine, despite the fact that it is unfavorable with the American people, you are looking at people that are blackmail. There's no question about it. you're totally right. So you're issuing an emergency warning to Trump. You're dead on.

Rubio's been kissing his ass for years now, but did stab him in the back. So has Lindsey Graham. And Rubio's obviously blackmailed. And we know the whole history of why. And I'm not saying he's not smart. I'm not saying he's not a good speaker. I'm not saying he hasn't been a big Trump booster for at least two years. But these are the people that tried to put Trump in prison.

These are the people at the end of the day, the neocons run the Democrat Party's foreign policy. They're the ones that want World War 3. They're the ones that, you know, try to get Trump killed twice. This is a life and death situation. So this is the hill to die on. We cannot let these people get into the administration.

And the media is basically saying that Rubio is expected to be the Secretary of State. This is not good. I'm hopeful that Charlie Kirk's tweet when he just wrote out last night, hey, don't listen to anything if it doesn't come directly from Trump's mouth.

is a signal that maybe that's not going to be the circumstance. And I'm hoping that he is now seeing the reaction and or at least someone who is a good guy on the inside of seeing the reaction is going to communicate to him in the short run. But the reality is a lot of these people, they perform this way, like I said, because they're cowards and they're blackmailed. And, you know, I have an entire theory about how they're all, it's all sex blackmail. When you think of Lindsey Graham. I mean, there's no question. When you live in D.C., you hear the rumors that are swirling. I lived in D.C. for the first four Trump years.

And you just imagine that they have a very sophisticated blackmail ring where they have people. people approaching them and they're following their phones, whatever it is. That's why I say to men, stop watching pornography, by the way, because I am convinced that they're tracking your IP addresses, they're seeing what you're into, and they're just building entire profiles on people on the basis of what they're clicking online. I very much believe this. 100% in Crossfire Hurricane and all of it. And again, this is life and death for not just Trump, but for America.

If he lets any of these people in, they will leak lies. they will testify against Trump, they will derail, they will sabotage. He absolutely must not let any of these foxes in the henhouse. Right, absolutely. And so that's what we're looking for is we've got to really pay attention to these cabinet picks. We have to be bold. We are the new media now, obviously, this election, the results have proven this, that nobody's listening to these old guys anymore.

Nobody believes these goons. And so we just have to be bold in our assessments and calling out these congressmen and not caring about how the mainstream media reports on it. I mean, the election is not over. so to speak. Trump has won the election, but until we have all of those cabinet seats confirmed, and we know that these are actual fighters, people that are not going to be fearful if they're being blackmailed behind the scene or, I guess, reporting to somebody else behind the scenes because they don't want their business to come up. These, we need to make sure that that happens.

And when all of those picks are done and we have America First people, I will be able to breathe a sigh of relief. Absolutely. But I mean, here's a microcosm. The head of the private the Federal Reserve said he's not going to work with Trump. Trump can't fire him last week. That really exposes how unconstitutional and a fraud it is. It claims it's government. It's not. Trump comes out and he's going to cap credit card.

Interest rates at 10%. That's trillions of dollars for the globalists right there. And this will supercharge the economy. It's not just sex blackmail. They pay these people off. They give them huge bribes. They give their family giant jobs. And so when Trump's doing this for the people,

this is the right thing to do, there is going to be billions of dollars of payoffs moving around to try to block him from doing this. So that's why Trump has to have an iron wall of good people in there, and he's got to go on the offense and destabilize the deep state further. I am seeing a lot of signs of capitulation everywhere. Look at this. Top DC national security lawyers, Mark Zaid saying give up, flee the country. You know, we're never coming back.

MSNBC audience told to listen to Joe Rogan, have Discord. on X says the dinosaur media is dead using my term. Now they go on and say everyone's turning against us. We have no audience. Everyone hates us. They use the term, you know, the mainstream media is dead. So there's also some realizations here. FBI director Christopher Ray is preparing for possible forced exit under Trump.

And we're also talking about Cash Patel as the CIA director. We're also seeing a lot of good signs. How would you describe where the globalists are? Because I would describe it as collapsing. and now if Trump just forces through the objective, that's called pressing the attack, and just goes in there like a steamroller, they're done. But if he gives them any toeholds or makes any weak moves, then this is going to be a disaster. Right. He cannot give them one inch.

And you're absolutely right. There are good signs. They are fearful. You can see that and what they're writing. Now they're suddenly interviewing and covering the podcasting space and they're trying, I would say almost to be warmer. Like I've had three features in Vanity Fair over the last week, and they really spent such a long time attacking me and saying awful things about me.

But now they're realizing who are you writing to. You're writing to yourself, just like Jeff Bezos said, essentially an echo chamber. The people have moved away. They know you're lying. And so they're moving on. And some things have been alarming. Like they're basically saying they need to get a stranglehold in the podcasting space. They need to get a strangle hold on free media and that, you know, Congress should be

passing laws against misinformation. I mean, totally crazy, wacky stuff because they realize that they can no longer persuade the people. I mean, you even heard Joy Beehart, the wacky witches on the view. We're saying this day after election. They were saying essentially that they needed more censorship, that the people that voted for Trump were simply miseducated, right? Or uneducated, rather, and that they needed to make sure that they were taught what news to listen to

and what news not to listen to in the school system. Now you have Trump saying he's going to blow up the Department of Education. Well, that's great because that has been a propagandist effort since its inception in the 1970s under Jim Carter. This was done by feminists, aka communist, communist, that came up. were from Russia and began the feminist movement in America. And they instantly got to work wanting to implement the Department of Education because it's like Soviet training. This is why you have all of these kids outside crying, these little Marxists, their Marxist education camps.

So as soon as he starts making these sorts of threats, by the way, I want to say, and I don't believe they're a threat to believe he's making these promises, his life is in danger because these people are desperate, right? So they want World War III. They want war with Iran. That writing's been on the wall for three years, okay? They love their Department of Education. because it's their Marxist training camps

under the guise of teaching kids how to read, which they're not even doing anymore. Kids can't read the majority, almost the majority of kids can't even read in this country. They're teaching them to be emotional. They go out and they turn them into little soldiers, little Antifa soldiers for them in the future, the women that are crying in the streets. And so I am fearful that

if Trump stands firm, and this is just a reality, his life is going to become more and more at danger because these people will stop at nothing. They've proved this in the past. I had Kevin Chip, the former CIA analyst of 17 years on my show. And he was just openly speaking about all the things the CIA has done when they want war and they don't have a willing participant.

They will do desperate things. Defend their empire of lies. But you are correct. They are right now fighting the hardest because they are an animal backed into the corner. And an animal that is backed into the corner fights the hardest. They're fighting the hardest because they're losing, right? They are absolutely desperate.

No one believes them anymore. People actually want change. So these next couple of months are going to be in but I also want to make sure that we keep Trump safe as we are heading towards inauguration day. I totally agree. And if you look at the big tax-free foundations in England, the U.S. that set up the current world government system, places like Europe and Australia are three or four years ahead of us. So you look at that, you have a time machine in the future.

Australia has a new law. They're trying to pass that will make literally the government the sole arbiter of truth. Anyone that they say is a liar will be arrested. It allows the government to pose as patriots online and set people up. This is desperation. The EU is doing the same thing. Germany is moving to ban the AFD populist party because it's taking over. But long term, that will just defeat them even faster.

So a lot of desperate tactics out of the globalists, not out of strength, but out of a very, very, very serious weakness. And as long as we keep exposing us, they're done. Take J.D. Vance. He says, look, if the EU tries to shut down X. or put fines on Musk, we'll just cut the funding to NATO. Just like when Mexico was going to keep flooding and flee legal, Trump said, I'll just cut your funding, and they stopped overnight, you know, going back six, seven years ago.

So the U.S. government, if Trump is in charge and uses the sticks he's got in the carrots, we can defeat all these other globalist-controlled countries very, very quickly because globalism was run out of the United States. So this is really seizing control of the control room of the New World Order. and we have to be honest about that and go to soft power and say the bad guys aren't in control anymore, we're going to promote freedom and justice and prosperity and open free markets and the family. And all these countries are signaling Russia, China, everybody's ready to come to the table because humanity is sick of war, sick of lies.

The globalist project, the death cult's been repudiated. And there's an exponential awakening. So I agree with you that we're at that we're on the bubble right now. We are anything is possible, but we have to. understand we've not won yet, Candice. Yeah, no, that's absolutely true. And it's so funny that you mentioned Australia because I got banned from Australia a couple of weeks ago. Unilaterally banned from one person, one minister who said I had the power to ban her before I had even applied for my visa.

He said, I'm going to ban her. And we're talking about I've never been in trouble. I've traveled the world. I mean, I was in Japan last week. I've been UK back and forth, France, Italy, you name it, Israel, and never been in any trouble. But he banned me. Why? Because he's afraid that I'm going to serve as a catalyst.

I got a tour in Australia. And rather than banning people that have literally committed crimes and been arrested for crimes and have caused actually Sown discord, and I'm speaking here of Travis Scott, who notoriously had that concert where people actually died. Okay. And they basically said, we're going to ban Cana Sown. It's not him. He's allowed to be on tour in Australia. I think his dates are actually this month. And they banned me.

And now we're fighting this. But I imagine that had Trump had won, Tony Burke maybe would not have done something like that. He may have thought twice about that because now with Trump in office, you're going to start banning American citizens for speech. Okay, well, we're going to see how that plays. Now it's going to be a different game for Australia. And so we feel like we have a strong case. We're in court. We've bumped those Australian dates to the first quarter of next year.

And so I'm still playing on going on tour, going through this appeal, this appellate process. But it is shocking. It is shocking that someone who has never committed a crime, who has spoken all over the world and has never shown discord can get unilaterally banned. by just one person who said, I'm going to do it, or I even applied for a visa, and signed off on it right away. Because according to him, there's a potential that I could so discord in Australia. What does that really mean? They're controlling speech. Just three months ago, Australian senators were calling for Musk to be criminally charged or arrested.

They backed down. Then that corrupt judge down in Brazil started seizing other companies like Starlink. and so Musk had to back off there. Then the EU said, oh, look, that worked. We'll start seizing his companies as well. People say, okay, well, who cares about it on Musk? Well, I do because he's been a champion and a game changer now for Liberty. And if they can get him, they can get anybody.

And this is a global social credit score system where they can ban Candace Owens from Australia. Next, it'll be getting on an airplane here in America. That's Larry Finkett Black Rock's own statement. We're going to use the ESG corporate structure to make them enforce social credit score on the public. And that's the control grid. That's the star of the crown of tyranny.

That's what has to be exposed. Yeah, that is literally a social credit score. And it was incredible to see his reasons. Like he just was basically citing CNN articles. Like, okay, so by that logic, every single person in America who's voted for Trump is banned because we're apparently a bunch of Nazis and Hitler supporters. And they're like, this is the evidence. CNN wrote this. And so, yeah, it's alarming.

But it is also very promising because the Australians are outraged. I mean, positively outrage. and so many people wrote me and said, this really was the huge wake-up call for how much power the government really has because they said, when they did it to Novak Djokovic during the COVID lockdowns, their excuse they used was health.

What is their reason for banning me? You can't pretend there's any issue. You know there's no threat. I mean, like a Catholic mom of three is not a threat to your country. And so you are starting to see people really begin to fight back. And I think that makes them incredibly fearful when they see people vote in the way that we did

and the numbers that we did for Donald Trump, It makes them incredibly fearful, and they're trying now the strategy of containment, basically, okay, let's just try to keep the American separate. And what we're going to have to do is speed up our tyranny. Actually, I just got an email this morning. And Alex, I don't know if you've done any work looking into the Emmanuel Macron thing, but I'm telling you he is fully married to a dude. I don't care what your family. It's a dude who molested him when he was a kid, by the way, right? Because they have this 40-year age down.

That's on record. He was 14 having sex with him. Yes, exactly. And that part they never even speak about because they have. They have to admit that. I mean, they have them in yearbooks. They know their ages. And so the press just ignores that piece.

And it's at best statutory rape. And I've seen his husband give speeches. And, I mean, it's a dude in a way. And he walks around like a rooster, like a man, yells at people. I mean, it's a dude. Really scary stuff. And but now the journalist that broke that story actually emailed me this morning and said that essentially what they're trying to do is put pressure to bankrupt him for a totally

different regard. They are not suing him for defamation. They've never sued the publication for defamation, but they're trying to squeeze people in other ways to make sure that they can say, you know, you wrote three years ago, I'm not kidding, this journalist, you wrote three years ago an article naming everybody

who has power in France, and these people happen to be Jewish. So we're cutting after you for laws against anti-Semitism. I mean, wacky stuff, because they're just trying to get this journalist to shut up because he's actually suing them for the information to prove that Jean-Michel Trugnaud became Brigitte Macron. And so this desperation that we're talking about

and the other countries realizing that they have this short window of opportunity to pass these speech laws to make sure that they can quite literally come after you for anything. Hatred, racism, anti-Semitism, whatever it is a sign of their desperation. Candace, we're almost out of time.

You've only got 30 minutes. Please join us again soon. I can't wait to do your show. Let me just raise this point. Trump has a responsibility constitutionally to deport the military age men, the gangsters, the human traffickers, the drug dealers. He's put a great guy in, his borders are, Tom Homan. That said, the left is planning to make this Hitler,

they're planning to misrepresent it. And I think we've got millions of military age men. We've got all these drug dealers and criminals. I think Trump should really focus on them first, that will unify everybody behind it. And then women and children that were brought up here by the left that were told to come here by Biden, a lot of them in sex traffic, by case by case,

you know, well, some of them were kidnapped. They need to be brought back to their country. They can stay where they're from, but they should be monetarily helped some as well. And I think Trump has a real chance here to be the hero with everybody and not walk into the trap. The left has set because I'm hearing a lot of talk about, you know, let's just go wild and grab, just everybody pell-mell. Well, there's such a big job up front. They need to start with the military-age men and the drug dealers, the human traffickers. And Trump needs to go further and not just say there's $325,000 missing kids and sex slavery and slave labor,

but say we're going to find the kids and we're going to prosecute the NGOs that were part of it. That's the right thing to do and it will devastate the left. Roll up Mayorkas, all of them. I think that's where he hits the deep state first. What do you think? Yes, absolutely.

And I think we're going to be speaking a lot more in the next couple of years about human sex trafficking is people didn't realize how complex and how real that problem was and people are finally starting to speak about that and realizing that way too many kids go missing. Absolutely. I mean, defend our borders. Like I want to see, I want to,

actually see troops being sent down in massive numbers as if we are fighting a war because we are. We are fighting a war at our borders. I'm so sick of hearing that. We're sending people over Afghanistan, Israel, Ukraine, send our troops. We are spending our tax dollars not so that we can defend everybody else's borders, but just that we can defend ours. And until that is done, until that priority is made, the American people are rightful to be upset and to recognize that we have sold out to countries that are overseas.

So that's the first thing he's got to do. and Holman is definitely the right guy for the job. I know you're already doing this, but you have a huge audience. I've gotten Rogers to talk to Trump about it. It's the right thing to do to find the kids. And as a political weapon, we know they disappeared their records. We know they stopped the DNA testing four years ago. We know they've delivered in the middle of the night to fields and parking lots and everywhere else.

This is a real political weapon. We have serious, mass, villainous. evil crime that will bring down the Democratic Party in what they've done the last four years. So this is the weapon. I mean, do you agree with me that this is the weapon Trump needs to use? Oh, yeah. And like I said, we've never seen the conversation

being fostered more than before. And I mean, even me, years ago, I was like, why are people saying talk about human sex shopping? This can't be that big of a problem. And then you realize, no, this is an organized crime and a crime unit. And we absolutely need to make sure that these criminals are found and taken and held to account and broadcasts that people understand just how evil these people have become trying to pass laws to make sure that we can't get a handle on this problem.

It's incredible. They didn't just lose kids. They ran it. They brought them here. They covered it up. Real Candice So on X, her own show every day. Be sure and watch it and listen to it. Candace, thanks for the time. Talk to you soon. Thank you. Patriot apparel. The supplements at the Ellis Show Store.com do not have a lot of markup because we're being very competitive. And it's critical to finding our operation. But we do have limited edition posters that do have a lot of markup in them, so that if you really want to support to keep us on the air, you can go buy the products. Now, there are currently five limited edition posters, and on January 6th, we're not

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continue on. Look, I've been talking about the financial economy for the last two years, and we've seen what I would call the most unprecedented cooking of the books ever. Non-fund payroll numbers have been padded. They revised them down in August. Those numbers are lies. The real economy is in tatters, and how do we know that? Real wage growth was minus two percent heading into this election. And if you look at a real wage growth over time, the last few times it happened, we swept in new presidents. Ronald Reagan in 1980 and Bill Clinton in 1992, where James Carville famously said it's the economy stupid.

So I said on a couple shows prior to the election, what do you think? Who's going to win? I said, Trump's already won. The question is, can it be too big to rig? And it turned out that Bobby Kennedy, Elon, Russell, Tucker, Joe Rogan, everybody, and Tulsi Gabbard, and all these people that came over made it too big to rig. But he was going to win anyways, but I think that put us over the top. And now we're faced with, unfortunately, a turdive of an economy, the reality of which is probably going to start to manifest over the next 12 months. it seems to me the establishment is going to turn on the economy.

You know, obviously the last couple months, mainstream media has been selling a phony story in the real world. The stock market is not an indicator of the economy. It's a bubble. The asset bubble has been blown. And I fear that it's going to start to manifest in the downturn soon enough. Over the weekend, it came to my knowledge that the New York Fed put out a report. at the end of October, highlighting the commercial real estate problem, which we've all known

about for two years. But it's interesting that the New York Fed puts this out in October stating that the banks have been extending and pretending, hiding losses, and that there's about $3 trillion of these loans on the bank's balance sheets, and it's a problem. And magically, I think it's going to become a problem under Trump, and it's going to cause some consternation in the financial markets. Warren Buffett has already told you what he thinks. He's amassed the largest amount of cash in his history, over $300 billion.

He owns 4% of the T-Bill market more than the Fed, and he's selling Bank of America's stock faster than you can shake a stick at. So, unfortunately, the GDP numbers are probably bogus, too. The real economy, we've never seen such a disparity between reported numbers and real economic indicators. The real employment situation is bad. real wage growth is bad. There's all sorts of indications of slowing down in the real estate market and a pause in investing. The good news is Trump's in there and his policies can mitigate some of this, but I don't think the pain can be avoided.

So he needs to get in there, deregulate as quick as possible, spark animal spirits. So I'm not as bearish as I was. If Harris had gotten in there would have been a total wipeout, there's still going to be some turbulence and the mainstream media is going to turn on Trump and all of a sudden discover economic problems everywhere. Do you agree with me that

Trump needs to get out ahead of this not to hurt the economy but to be honest with people and to say that's why I've got to have the Senate confirm my people. I've got to get the energy prices down quickly. We've got to cut the taxes for working class people

no tax on tips. the moratorium on loans on credit cards, rates above 10%. What are, A, do you agree with that, Edward, and then B, what do you think Trump should do immediately? I agree with you. He needs to get out in front of this narrative and be honest with the American people that what he inherited and what he has to do, and there's going to be some tough times ahead. There already are tough times. Let's make no mistake.

The average person is struggling. but the mainstream media is going to instill fear in everybody and try to make it seem like it's all his fault. Government spending needs to come down. We need to take care of the deficit, but the only game in town the last year has been government spending. So as they and Elon and others tackle government spending, it will cause a contraction in the GDP,

but that needs to be done because we need to free up that capital for the private sector. I heard Elon float the idea that all these people he fires, he gives them two years severance. Now that sounds excessive, but that would help these, you know, mostly useless people transition to the private sector if they can. But it would at least not throw people out on the street

and cause economic turmoil. But there needs to be solutions. Sure, sure. And I mean, that itself would be a stimulus for people that really study economics. Please continue. Yeah. So Trump needs to get out in front of this.

I think the proposed Treasury Secretary Besson is already starting to get out in front of this. He's been on the war room. I think Steve Bannon knows him. My friends on Wall Street seem to like him. The consternation is that he worked for Soros, but not everybody that works for Soros is necessarily a bad person. So let's put a pin in that for now. At least he's not, you know, Manusian, who was a skull and bones member. So let's give Trump some grace on his new Treasury secretary and not jump at him because he's he worked with Soros.

That doesn't necessarily mean anything. He's been saying all the right things for a while. I'm glad you explained that because Soros is involved in everything. So Trump has to walk a fine line where he needs to drain traitors, neocons, leftist, globalists that have proven they're going to block him. But if, I mean, there's no separation when you come to the financial world. from heavy hitters that haven't been involved with heavy hitters because everything is invested in everything. Yeah, everybody knows everybody. And you know, look, you know, I worked at BlackRock 10 years ago, but here I am.

So, you know, you need people from inside the beast to come forward. And Besson seems to be saying all the right things. And again, he's got a plan that seems to make more sense. He's already pointed out the Treasury Secretary Yellens, the worst Treasury Secretary who has ever had. She's done basically third world election financing. She basically front-loaded everything in the front end of the financing of the government and key bills to stimulate the economy and send like a drunken sailor, you know, creating $750,000 government jobs in September. And he's going to go in there and try to fix what she is. Well, that's what Trump pointed out is the green new jobs, he'll just to boondoggle the globalist companies.

and like gates and all of them. Just not sucking that out of the public and then putting into a black hole, that's going to generate a lot of jobs. Yeah. So the trick here is to stimulate animal spirits as fast as possible, generate excitement in the private sector, and have the economic downturn be as shallow as possible. It's going to be tough sledding because of what's been going on behind.

behind the curtain with the financial plumbing. You've got to remember last year we had bank failures, super quick, fast, and the Fed did what's called the bank term funding program, and they plugged the hole for the time being, but they ended that program in March. And that was due to interest rate risk in relatively safe securities like as being underwater due to the Fed raising interest rates from zero to five and a half. Now we're entering the part of the cycle where there's credit,

deterioration like in commercial real estate loans. The Fed is going to have to make a choice. Are they going to bail these banks out again and be owners of commercial real estate? Or are we going to see losses and regional bank failures? That's the trick. And it's going to be very difficult to navigate in my humble opinion. Big picture, Edward Dowd. I went on air today.

And I've been warning they'll try to kill Trump again. And warning they'll try to stage racial false flags. And they've said they one armed up. I mean, clearly that's one of their hopes. But I'm seeing more and more of the globalists and their minions and their tacticians basically signal from corporate media to banking to the intelligence agencies that, while the whole world hates us, there's a global political realignment, anything bad we do, we're going to get blamed for.

We can't just create crises and poses as saviors anymore. What are we going to do? And so they're having a debate about do they join with us? Do they roll over? I'm not talking about the top bad guys. but a lot of their minions that are just mercenaries are kind of looking around right now saying, what do we do?

Is Trump really going to come after us? Or how do we stop him or how do we roll over? Do we run? I'm seeing not even so much capitulation, but just disarray, panic, disorganization, which is the best thing in a war, you know, to have your enemy at that point. We have the initiative.

I mean, obviously a bad economy globally being inherited, but populace being elected everywhere. Germany is trying to ban the populist part that's taking over. That's going to backfire. Obviously, even in the short term, I think. There's a real revolution happening in Australia. I mean, we see it everywhere. Are you positive like I am overall?

We just gauge the public mind because I see the awakening going from explosive to just hyper drive right now. And I don't know how you quantify what that means, though. Yeah, so I agree with you. The Overton window is certainly here. The quickening is accelerating, more and more people are figuring out what's going on. There's still a lot of cognitive dissonance, though. Unfortunately, there's a huge population in our country that's been psychologically damaged. And, you know, we're seeing all these people go on social media screaming.

You know, there was a murder, I think, in New York. Some daughter. Oh, a bunch of murders. No, no. Women are killing their husbands with hatchets. A Seattle woman overwhelmed by election killed father with ice axe. You've got this guy killing his wife, ex-wife and kids because it was better than living under Trump. The suicide numbers are huge.

So, yeah, no, the left's going insane. Yeah, so their biggest asset are these brainwashed people. And if they can figure out a way to trigger them into some sort of kinetic energy that before the inauguration, that's something we have to worry about. We also have to worry about them starting World War III before the inauguration. I'm worried about what's going on in Ukraine. I'm worried about what's going on with China and Taiwan. And, of course, the Middle East conflict in Iran. So we got a lot of, you know, things that could explode onto the scene and distract us in the next, what is it, 70 days, whatever it is.

So this is, again, I think it came on your show and said, you know, this is the most dangerous time in history of our a country it still is. We won a battle, not the war. And we need to be very smart and get out in front of the narratives. It's a narrative war at the end of the day. They still have the mainstream media. They still have a brainwash population. The awakening is occurring, but there's still a large number of people who have no idea what's been doing. No, I totally agree, but are the technocrats of the different special interest, the different factions that, you know, gang up on us, but still are different factions. I can look at this and integrate all the different data points

and say they need to just kind of play possum, try to sneak back later into power. I'm not advising them. But that's their only option, and that's not going to work either. But forcing a conflict now is going to end up in real Nuremberg 2 stuff. I mean, we can clearly see if they keep pushing,

then the gloves are going to be off, and everything's going to blow up in their face. And I'd rather not see them swinging from the end of robes and have them just go away, or roll over, then them press their operations. I mean, I just don't see how they win long term. All I'm saying is, how do we get them to a capitulate? Well, we're already seeing some of it.

Zuckerberg is, you know, ask for forgiveness. Bezos is telling the Washington Post to, you know, realign their business model. And, you know, look, billionaires are billionaires. And when they sense a trend change, they'll hop on board. They don't have any loyalty to anything. So a lot of these oligarchs are switching already. That's good news.

But, you know, we have the deep bureaucratic state, the bureaucracy that's, they're like ticks, blood-filled ticks in the bureaucracy. Yeah, they're the real problem and they feel insulated. They feel protected because they act in the dark. That's why Trump has to purge them. Right. The senior executive service is the first thing that needs to be tackled. These are the kind of the ruling elite of the bureaucrats that are protected.

They're above G-15. and a lot of these holdovers from the Obama administration are still there. We'll get Fauci getting $15 million a year for security illegally and secretly with no congressional approval. I mean, it's just, yeah, they are the royalty. This is disgusting. Yeah, well, let's talk about that for a second. I saw that $15 million yesterday, and, you know, Bobby Kennedy had to pay out of his own pocket from the campaign. He could have used that $15 million.

That might have been a different campaign for him. This is the kind of disgusting misappropriation of funds that we see. And they are ticks and they control a lot of the money and the budgets. And of course, we have a CIA black budget that we all know exists. And we don't know where that money's going and what it's funded. What do you think of Cash Patel, a CIA director? I saw that yesterday. I think he'd be great.

I mean, he knows how the game is played. and he seems to be for team humanity. So I'm all for it. I mean, the guy, you know, when I watch him speak, I believe him, he seems authentic to me. Edward, thank you so much for the time. I really appreciate you. And like you said, it's an info war.

It's what it's all about. And whether we get shut down tomorrow or not, we'll be talking again soon. Thank you so much. Thank you, Alex. Take care. There he goes. All right, we got Max Kaiser,

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Did you catch that? Go ahead. Just in case you missed it. Go ahead, guys. Play it again. Earlier this week, as you all saw, the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation announced a $1 billion financial initiative

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Thank you. We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center and the heart of the resistance. And now, your host, Owen Troyer. The guest on Info Wars after a rant like that. Well, one man will tell you the answer to that. That's Robert Newcomb. He's joining me now.

we're going to be talking about this drone story, how it all ties into AI and the future of government policy with Doge. Foreign wars, foreign funding, it all ties in. But I guess, you know, it's the theme of the day here, Robert, everybody talking about what's going on in Washington, D.C. and I just can't take anything this government does seriously or the media, for that matter, that has been lying to us about Joe Biden for four years. Now they admit it. Oh, they just figured it out.

They had no idea. Now they're admitting it. Okay, so you're either stupid or you're just lying. Probably both. But when they come out and they just say, hey, billion dollars for Ecuador and the Amazon to fight climate change, while they're holding victims hostage in North Carolina for disaster relief, I mean, how do the American people tolerate this stuff?

I mean, they can't even, like, oh, we don't know whose drones they are and we don't have money for hurricane victims. I'm sick of this, man. I'm just, I'm so sick of the abuse we take. Completely agree. It's a dysfunctional government right now under the Biden administration. You know, you look, just on top of the things that you just mentioned, you know, you look at all the policy effects when it comes to a foreign policy perspective. and the disastrous Middle East, you know, the vacuum, the power vacuum that has occurred in Syria, I mean, we can make a huge list as far as all the debauchery that has occurred over the last four years.

And I'll just list one because I'm a veteran and the debacle that occurred in Afghanistan and pulling out of Afghanistan. So it's like a bad nightmare that's occurring in Syria and it's just going to happen again. We're lucky, you know, to have this change in. administration with with trump just because of all the failures of the biden administration well and you've got quite a resume here you know an engineer you've gone through the engineering science and development program with the u.s navy you've trained with the department of defense weapons systems uh you're you're very well informed on ai and of course as well as drones and i don't want to get off into some of these old stories but you know you do bring that up obama

basically gave American drone technology to Iran. They wanted to act like that was a mistake. I don't believe it for one second. Bill Clinton sold nuclear secrets to the Chinese. And so we have this pattern of behavior of, hey, we're going to give U.S. intellectual property or even military technology to our foreign adversaries. But we're going to just count on the media not to report about it. And then they have these drones flying around, which we know that the government knows

what's going on. They just won't tell us. But it's just like when, at what point did the American people say, hey, wait a second, if this is an Iranian drone, which I don't believe for one second, you can comment on that too. Well, who gave them that technology? That was Barack Obama. He gave him that technology. If there's an Iranian mothership off the coast, flying drones, well, Obama gave him that technology. Right. And that's a good point too, because you even look at how Xi Jinping came over to San Francisco. and Biden was right there inviting all these, you know, the open, Sam Altman and all these open, open AI, you know, techies to Frisco to meet Xi Jinping.

And likely there has been some transition or giving away of our technologies as far as AI goes to him. So, yeah, absolutely. And of course, that's the next big technological boom. is AI. You'd think Biden would want to keep America at the front of that, at the top of that. But I guess not. I guess it's, hey, whatever we're, I mean, they did the same thing with drones, too.

Whatever technology we might have the edge in, let's just sacrifice that edge because we like to sell out this country and become rich, like the Biden crime family and the Clintons and so much more. Now, the drone story on the East Coast has kind of disappeared. I mean, not literally. I don't know if there are still drones flying, but nobody's really talking about it. what is your synapsis of that with your experience in that field and just what you're saying and what you're hearing? Yeah, so, you know, it's hard not to put your pulse on a, on a sciop in this circumstance. Just because of the way the narrative developed early, you know, they said they didn't know, and then it might be UAPs, and they didn't know what adversary it was.

And from a person that has spent so many years in the DOD developing what we call counter UAS or other payloads or sensors that we put on group one, group two, which is a smaller drones, I just knew that that was not accurate. The DOD knows what's in our skies. We know what we call spectrum effects, which is how to sense drones in our skies, how to detect them. And so when it comes to the narrative, for sure, you know, to me, there's a level of speculation that comes just because of what we know, what kind of technology we have. Now, as far as Congress goes, though, and the CR that they're trying to pass in the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act, they actually have a segment in there allocating, I think, roughly about $335 million to develop domestic. or CONIS, continental U.S. technologies on bases. There's an effort to do some collaboration with ARO, the ARO office within the DOD, and then also money towards doing collaborations with local police and law enforcement.

So to me, from my perspective, I think this is a long time coming. When you look at threats and you look at, from the perspective of the DOD, we look at threats, we do what's called risk mitigation, and we also do vulnerability assessments when it comes to our assets or our bases. And from those perspectives, this is an much needed effort in order to deter what, you know, the civilian side or the domestic side of these threats. So certainly the conversation has changed since the, you know, they've come out and kind of have botched the narrative from the beginning.

But I'm glad to see that there's more, you know, legwork on that as far as implementing deterrences within CONIS, not in OUS. Robert Newcomb is my guest. Defendut.com is the website. Let me talk technicals with you because you kind of bring this up. First of all, you know, there already is some rather basic laws. regulations on drones when you want to go buy a drone and just consumer level drone and fly in the sky.

There's some pretty basic regulations there. How much oversight or ability or knowledge in just a minute to minute basis, let's say, let's say 10 people go out in New Jersey with their just consumer drones. They can go by to Best Buy. Let's say 10 people go out. They put them in the air. They're filming or trying to do some stunts or whatever. I mean, does the FAA pretty much have that all under wraps?

like, okay, these are the drones that's up. They're up, Bing, they've pinged, and then that's it? I mean, how much knowledge is there available just on an immediate basis? Yeah, there isn't, and that's for good reason in some respects. But the FAA follows and is supposed to be governing our domestic airspace. These drones, however, are supposed to be registered. And so when it comes to like a domestic, whether it's airport, from a domestic perspective,

a lot of these drones are not picked up from the radar systems we have at our airports. And that, you know, we could get on the technical side of that. I don't think you want to, but it's basically, they use what's called phased array a lot of times in the military to detect smaller and even decipher between like a drone and a bird. So the radar systems at airports are kind of aged

and they'll pick up big passenger jets or even small like Cessna's and stuff, but they don't track, in domestic airspace, they don't track, unless it has a transponder, they don't track these smaller drones. And so that's part of the concern, you know, with, especially when you look at the border, the open border that Biden has had, and all the terrorists, the known terrorists that have gotten caught and the gotaways, you know, terrorists have had a knack for using drones to attack military bases. We see it in Ukraine. We see it in the Middle East.

So, you know, the threat is there. And to dismiss it or, you know, to ignore that all the threats and the terrorists that come over with the border is, to me, it's close to incompetence or, you know, being in net. Well, I would say you could even argue, in fact, no, I would argue that it's criminal. Mayorkas is a criminal, in my opinion. maybe one of the biggest traders in the history of this country. And that's why it's so offensive when they come out and they say, well, we don't know whose drones they are, but we know it's not a threat. Well, okay, obviously you're lying because that's just completely illogical.

But, okay, a smaller consumer drone you fly it in the air, maybe it doesn't register with the FAA or ping on any radar unless it's overprotected airspace. Now, what about the drones that we have been seeing on the East Coast that are military style? I mean, it appears to be drones that they, Navy has purchased or it has used in the past, these drones that can change shape and move pretty fast, pretty agile in the air, have worked with the Navy. They're stationed off of the East Coast.

Do drones like that ping, or is it kind of the same situation? Unless it goes off in a protected airspace, they can pretty much fly around and not be on radar. Well, they could. They could ping. There's kind of a caveat there. You know, when drones fly in the air, typically they give off signatures. within the RF spectrum. Those signatures include radio frequencies,

and they'll communicate with a ground controller. Now, for military and other advanced drones, we're getting into an area of autonomy and AI where they're not going to give off a signature, so they're not going to be as detectable. And you couple that with materials, how radar detects, drones in the air, you know, there's certain materials that can, you know,

stealth materials that can deflect or absorb these radar frequencies. So from a military perspective and from an advanced drone perspective, they're not necessarily going to be detectable from conventional radars that we, that we deploy within the continental U.S. So. So if it was a spy drone, they would. didn't have their lights on, and it wouldn't be detectable on radar because they'd obviously not want to be detected.

Right. And so that's part of the narrative. And to me, when I initially saw this, and I'm not, I don't deal with, uh, with this kind of technology currently. I'm still a weapons engineer and I still, I work for a contractor. But when I did, I helped stand up, you know, the counter UAS, um, past force. I was ahead of an organization that, uh, that, um, did a lot of. a red teaming within the DoD years ago.

So from this perspective, though, when it comes to detecting these things, and whether it's a military or not, my first impression was always that it was a test. Now, there's some narratives that came up, you know, as far as nuclear material detection. I was skeptic about that just because of the payload. We use what's called a size weight and power analysis when it comes to these small drones. And to put a detector on there, to detect nuclear material, it can be done, but at distances that these drones were not flying. So you're talking like 100 meters or closer for specific sensors that detect nuclear material. But to me, from the beginning, I always thought it was some kind of contractor test or a DOD test.

But most certainly, these are not UIPs. These are likely U.S. drones from a three-letter agency or, you know, a contractor doing certain tests. And they can fly, you know, legally through the FAA, they can fly within those air spaces. So that's part of what I think Congress is trying to push is to change. And to me, it has to be driven from the FAA, change the rules, ensure everything's registered, or maybe update some radars, domestic radars, and most certainly update DoD radars on domestic bases to include detection of these smaller drones. I mean, you know, there was even, I live near Hill Air Force Base, and we did a four-year request. This reporter here locally, his name is Brian McLehlatan, but he did a four-year request, and he discovered that there was, there's been drones in the last four years that have made encouraging.

incursions onto Hill Air Force Base and hovered over a fuel tank, you know, an aviation fuel tank and then disappeared. So most absolutely these things, to me in my mind, you know, there should be funding allocated in the NDAA to cover these kinds of emerging threats. Well, and you know, quickly on that, there have obviously been a lot of stories. They don't get as much attention. These drones are flying in mass in a very, highly population dense area where people can just go out on their back porch at night for a cocktail and they just see these drones in the sky. So it kind of made a lot of news. They've had problems at military installations and bases for some time now.

But obviously when you're on a military base, you're not going out and blowing that up on your social media or to the news. So those things kind of don't really make big news stories like what we saw in New Jersey. Now here's the latest in this development. I want to get your response here. FAA bans drones over parts of New Jersey threatens deadly force for imminent security threat. They are banning. The FAA is banning drones violating New Jersey bans until January 17th over special security reasons. What do you make of this latest development? Yeah, it's likely the lack of ability to detect, track, or know who's actually operating these drones. You know, and this is part of my skepticism with the DoD because, you know, we have technologies

to track these drones. It's certainly that domestic side does not, but just from a spectrum perspective, you know, F-18, you know, F-35 pilots, when they, on their queuing, mechanism on their HUD, heads-up display, they have a bounding box that they use, right, to track their targets. And so there's technologies. I don't want to get into too much of this side of it, but there's technologies that we have related to computer vision or there's technologies we can do acoustic tracking.

If you have triangulation, you have sensors that attract acoustically. you can track something that emits noise. So, you know, and I'm not familiar with what the DOD is using exactly, but I can tell you that these technologies are already, they've been around for a long time. It can be done. And for the DOA to come out, which is surprising, just from a leadership perspective,

you don't come out and say, I don't know, and who knows it could be UAPs. For me, you know, from a leadership perspective, you say what you do know, And then you say, you know, some of it's classified and I can't speak to it, right? So I think it's not only a leadership problem, you know, with this administration, but it's also just an overall transparency. I mean, we have to, this is why I'm glad Trump's getting into office because we got to be more truthful. We've got to be more transparent.

And if we can't talk about something, it's fine, you know, just say you can't talk about it. Don't spin the narrative, you know, so people, there's almost a bubble of hysteria, right? from the nation. And then you get people that come out and they look at their sky at night and then mistake a neutron star or pulsar for a UAP, you know, or other orbs or even a sprite. You know, I've studied at length, you know, the UAP issue outside of the DoD. I've even worked here locally with Skinwalker Ranch. And, you know, the anomalies we see in the sky, I would say 90% of them are explainable. And if they're not explainable by natural phenomena, there's certainly technologies that we have that we use from a space-based or even terrestrial technologies that have certain effects within the upper atmosphere or the stratosphere.

Whether it's the radio waves or lasers coming through the atmosphere for weather, you know, they have certain effects visual. effects that that occur through the atmosphere. So, and that's not even mentioning, right? We're in a solar maximum cycle. So our coronal mass ejections or solar flares, we're at a height in 2025. So we see more Aurora, Borrelis, you know, effects through the, through the atmosphere. So, yeah, you know, getting back to how the DOD handled this or how, frankly, the Biden administration handled this. I think it was irresponsible at the very least, if not inept.

Well, it feels like this game they're playing, right? And I mean, I don't know why I can't think of any reason why policy would change now after this has been going on for three weeks, that now they're saying, okay, we're going to ban the drones from going up in the sky, when even two weeks ago people were trying to fly drones in the sky and it looked like something was shutting them down. No answer was given to that. So it's like now they have this policy after they say everything is fine. adds up. But it feels like a game. Like they know exactly what's going on

and they just kind of want to tease us. You know, they just want to hold us in suspense and be like, well, we know, but, you know, the American people don't need to know. Just know that it's fine. Just know that we're, you know, we're in control. So it's just very offensive, I think, for them to come out and pretend like they don't know when obviously they know. And then it's like, the story is dying down.

So then it's like, oh, no, no, no, let's keep them in suspense. Let's now officially have a policy that bans drones. Yeah, that'll do it. that'll really keep them in suspense. It's just insulting and it's rude and inconsiderate to the American people how they're treating them. Agreed. Yeah, I mean, it's, I've also delved into, you know, all the policy generated from the

United Nations, you know, from the G20 or G7 summits and, and the, the, they call them SDGs and how the Biden administration just globed on to it and called it ESGs. They just changed the acronym, right, from SDGs. the ESGs here locally environmental, social, and governance. And so to me, we see this horrendous top-down mandate coercion effect on the American people that I think is, frankly, it's dangerous just for the fact that Americans love their freedom. You know, as a veteran, I took an oath to defend and support the Constitution of the United States. that, you know, for veterans out there, that does not end when we die.

That is a lifetime commitment. So when we're discharged from the military, that commitment is still there. And so for the Biden administration to come out and, you know, use all these terms like Ms. Malin disinformation and then mandate it and collude with tech industry to facilitate their agenda, it's disgusting, frankly, to me. and dishonorable to the service of all those veterans who sacrificed so much for our freedoms, for the Constitution. And, yeah, frankly, it's, it gets me spun up, so I'm going to, I'll dial back in your right to get spun up because it is, it's bad.

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Well, so does he. It's Alex Jones. And now, your host, Owen Troyer. All right, we still have our guest on who says, something if you know about this story, you hear it and you just, your ears kind of perk up. So I want to go back to that in a second. I do want to give you an update on what's happening right now on Capitol Hill. The Republicans in control of the House are debating two things.

And that is the bill that was proposed last night without the debt ceiling increase. And so they're shopping that around to see if they can get the votes from the Republicans to pass that bill. That was one of the big hiccups, but I don't, I don't think that will work. I think these Republicans are now just holdouts and maybe want the government shutdown. The second option that they're weighing is three single issue bills, a CR, the farm bill, and disaster relief.

Those would have to have a rules vote and then be voted. it on tomorrow. So in that instance, they have to see if they'll even have enough Republicans present to vote, yes, to get those three bills passed. So that's what's going on right now. First, they're going to see if they can get the votes on the same bill that failed last night without the debt limit increase, or they're going to try to get three single issue votes, or excuse me, three single issue bills that would not be voted on until tomorrow.

So that's what's going on right now. They were supposed to have a vote this morning. It didn't happen. That tells you Mike Johnson has completely just, he has nothing. So he was saying, oh, we're going to vote in the morning, and we got a bill that's going to pass. And no, you didn't. A total failure again.

So that's where we're at, quite frankly, the three single issue bills is a decent option. You could argue about the continued resolution, whether you want to fund the government or not, but you would get the farm bill, you would get the disaster relief bill, and vote on that. But again, your issue is these members of Congress want to go home. They don't want to sit around D.C. for even another day to vote on this bill. So that's where you're at. And it's all just disgusting, really. Our government is just completely disgusting and despicable.

So I say, shut it down. All right. Others are saying they've already reached an agreement on the debt limit, but again, I'm not sure they have the votes yet. So we'll be continuing to monitor that. Robert Newcomb is my guest. Now, okay, anybody who knows about Skin Walker Ranch, if you don't, this is one of the wildest stories, conspiracy theories, phenomenon ever. that you can look into. And it's mostly kind of the UFO alien extraterrestrial community that is really interested in that and kind of experts on that.

And there have been documentaries come out, really just crazy stuff. I had no idea. Robert had anything to do with that. So I just got to ask him, what was your role? What do you know about Skin Walker Ranch? What was your role in, I guess, investigating it, looking into it? What do you know about it? Yeah.

So, excuse me, so I've spent several years just out of interest, aside from my normal duties, you know, on my job, researching UAPs, researching the technology that could justify what we see in our skies. When it comes to Skinwalker Ranch, it was more of a friend of a friend connection. but, you know, Brandon Fugel, Eric Bard, they were cordial and gracious enough to, you know, allow me to consult or have conversations with Eric Bard, who is the lead sciences there. But most of my experience over the last four years investigating UAPs, when it comes to Skinwalker Ranch, Skinwalker Ranch by itself is an anomaly to me. It's hard to explain the evidence that comes out of there. I've often explained it as an environmental anomaly, whether it's coming from outside of the, or off the earth, you know, from a cosmic perspective, or it's being generated from the earth kind of anomaly.

And I just, you know, when I've researched all the UIP evidence and everything that happened, you know, from Tick-Tac to Gimble, Skinwalker Ranch always sticks out to me. And so my involvement there with Eric Bard was a series of consultations or conversations about what technology to deploy in order to drive out these anomalies, especially when it comes to AI or computer vision or camera systems or other networked or grid type sensors to track the location of an anomaly, track via AI, right, track the visual identification of an anomaly. So I don't work there. It's a consultation effort in the past I have. So it's very limited, but for sure 100%. Like I said previously, you know, Skinwalker Ranch, it stands out to me above any other

kind of research that I've done on the matter. Well, and people that haven't heard of it are out there in suspense. What is this? What are you talking about? Well, there's kind of like this, let's say, cultural mystery about it and maybe extraterrestrial beings and just some of the kind of cultural history there. And it kind of ties into like certain areas like you talk about Area 51 where you're just out in the vast desert. And there's just like this local color of, yeah, we see aliens all the time or, you know, spaceships or there's weird things that go on in the desert or even cave drawings, whatever. So there's that aspect of it.

But then, and this is the one that really grabs my attention. Because you can go watch all kinds of different alien documentaries. And sometimes for fun, I'll go down those rabbit holes, more just for fun. And people that just like to study extraterrestrials or UFOs and different anomalies. But like you said, the one that makes Skin Walker Rant show different is there's so much actual on-the-ground evidence and dealing with livestock and stuff that happens that is just completely. unexplainable yet easily documented. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, there's dozens of examples, like I said, evidence that comes to mind.

You know, I think what they're doing at Skinwalker Ranch and the effort or money that Brandon Fugel is putting forward to discover this or to drive out, you know, this anomalous behavior will eventually lead to new discoveries, you know, in science. As our technology advances, AI comes on board. A lot of these sensors get more, you know, they can drive out more detail in the data. And especially as LQM's, large quantitative models come out, which are really a physics or a science-based model, AI model. model, and they do what's called a recursive research, which these LQM's large quantitative models can do, is they can do their own research and drive out solutions that previously have been burdened by the science community.

So, yeah, as far as AI is concerned, and this is another reason why I love that Trump came into office and Elon Musk is involved is because he wants to drive out truth, but all this AI stuff, if left under Biden, it would have been a crash and burn for our society. Under Trump, however, I actually have, I'm optimistic. I'm hopeful that, you know, this AI effort will come out to good fruition. So what, what U.S. government involvement is there at Skinwalker Ranch? because there's all these other historical sites where if citizens, you know, want to just even just show up and start filming or some sites where people might show up with a shovel. I mean, there'll be people that show up out of the woods immediately.

And you're like, whoa, what the hell? How much government involved involvement is there at Skin Walker Ranch? Do they have tight ropes on that or is it like kind of a free-for-all? I'm not familiar with any three-letter agencies that are involved in Skin Walker Ranch currently. I know historically they have been, I forgot the individual's name, but he owned it previously to Fugel. But I'm sure, there's no doubt in my mind, however, that some three-letter agencies still has a pulse on what's being discovered there. I'm sure in back channels, which I'm not familiar with, you know, there could be some dialogue there between those three-letter agencies and Skinwalker Ranch. That I do not know, though.

Well, they love to be around not just human interest stories, but when there's actual genuine historical stuff going on or genuine aerial phenomenon stuff going on, whether that's just they don't want you to know what's really going on or they're interested for themselves. They always seem to find their way, right? They always seem to find their way on there, if not permanently entrenched there to protect people from trying to find the truth. So that's an amazing story that you're involved there. Truly, folks, if you want one of the more curious UFO, alien, extraterrestrial anomaly phenomenon stories, Skinwalker Ranch is certainly one you can dig into and just say, what in the hell is that? And there's so much actual on-the-ground evidence. It's not just people with blurry photos or stories without any evidence.

It's like you're there on the ground and they've got a lot of things that they've seen and can show you. All right, Robert Newcomb, I really appreciate your time today. Defendut.com is his website. Thank you for joining us. All right, brother. Good to meet you. You too. All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to get more into any developments we have coming off of Capitol Hill.

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resolution versus government shutdown. And basically the Republicans are weighing two options, and that's either to bring last night's bill back to the floor without the debt limit increase or to bring three separate bills, which would be one, a continued resolution, two, disaster relief aid and three the farm bill but those would not be available to be voted on

until tomorrow so the risk there even though those might be the most likely to get the votes the risk there would be people are already saying threatening that they're not going to be there tomorrow no matter what so bring the bill to the floor tonight or we're leaving tomorrow we're not going to vote on a

single issue bill which is really too bad I'd say that It's too bad that members of Congress would feel that way. But at the same time, they should have done the single issue bill today. It's what they should have done. And you could avoid it this whole thing. And it's not clear to me, and I'm trying to find out what the continued resolution bill is.

But my guess would be it's the Freedom Caucus Continued Resolution bill that Clay Higgins was sponsoring. that was a clean continued resolution 22 pages long that you could actually read and then go vote on. So not some bill that they want to plop down on your desk

and say go vote on it, but a bill you can actually get and read and go vote on it. Now, of course, all of this is in violation of the 72-hour rule, but they don't really seem to care much about that, do they? They don't seem to care much about that.

Now, last night, you had some clown shows going on, including this Democrat Rosa DeLauro, which is just a man who goes around in a wig, a purple wig and a dress. I mean, just look at this crap. Go ahead and play clip one. On a bill.

And you know what? They got scared because... Wait, is that not a dude? I don't know. Who knows these days? Told them. It's a dude, it's a man, it's a woman. Don't do it. Don't do it.

Shut the government down. Imagine. What does he know about what people go through? It's when the government shuts down. Are his employees furloughed? Hell no. Is he furloughed? No.

And when you shut the government down, people don't get paid. And maybe if none of us got paid if the government shot, down, some people on the other side of the aisle would feel differently about where we're going. And this effort. We had an agreement. But you know, this is that. No, no, no, no, no, no. The Democrats had a bill they want.

From what we've experienced over the last year and a half or so. Think about it. Biden McCarthy, deal, come together. Next day, walk away. Johnson Schumer, deal. Next day, walk away. And now this deal, walk away. And now this deal, walk away from it.

Good. Who do we trust in this body? And above all, can the American people trust us? No. Trust us with their lives. No. When we had a moment, when we came to agreement as Democrats and Republicans, and then we were able to say, let's move forward this country.

You know, one of my colleagues, I think it was Congressman Neal who said this. What do you guys think? A man or a woman? What do we think, guys? They think it's a woman. I'm not so sure. This could have been an early transition. She could have been an early transition situation there.

That is a skexy, man. I mean, that is about, you put her and Pelosi next to one another, and you think you're in the Jim Henson movie, Dark Crystal. You also had Democrats getting scolded when Anna Polina Luna was trying to speak. You can't even really pick it up over the microphone, but they were really out of control last night. And I've never seen a house gavel get banged harder because they were completely out of control. Clip two. We voted for a CR, but I'm here today because I realize that the plan that's on the table currently to keep our government open,

but also the promise from the only president in my lifetime who's ever followed through and all of his campaign promises to the American people. Excuse me, I'm not done talking. Give me the same respect we give you guys. The House will come to order. My colleagues are reminded that gentlewoman has the floor. She has the right to be heard. The gentlewoman has the right to be heard.

And the gentlewoman would be reminded to direct her comments. to the chair. The gentlewoman from Florida is recognized. From the only president in my lifetime who's fulfilled all of his campaign promises to the American people has promised to cut hundreds of billion dollars in reconciliation, you want to talk about shutting down the government. The deal that was negotiated was largely rejected by the American people, which two speakers Johnson's credit pulled it from the floor, which is why we are here today. The deal on the table will keep the government open for the American people, and if you guys so choose to shut it down, It will be on you, but not the Republican Party.

We will not be going back to the table. This deal stands as it is, so let you go back home on Christmas and explain to your people why you shut down the government, because we won't be doing it. The house... Furthermore, Mr. Speaker. That's a strong gavel. The house will be in order.

I mean, he slammed that thing. The gentlewoman is reminded to direct your comments to the chair. All right. My colleagues are reminded... I just don't understand why. It's this weird little political thing where they want to blame the other side for the government shut down. Just, just own it. Own it and judo it.

Look at the government. Look at the government's approval ratings. Look at Joe Biden's approval ratings. Look at all the different bureaucracies. Look at their approval ratings. Look at the corporate media's approval ratings. There's no populism there. the government is not popular

the mainstream media pointing their finger at you saying you shut down the government it's not popular Congress is not popular so I just don't get this you're going to be you're the blame for the government shutdown you're the blame for the government shutdown it's like hey can you get the emergency relief that you've screwed the American people over for years no you're the government shot out you're the government they're about to be wrapping a conference meeting on the hill right now I'll have an update on that there might be a change in the situation. I'll let you know. Here's Democrat Congressman Richard Neal. They're all mad about the influence of we the people. They just blame X, but it's we the people in clip

three. And a tweet changed all of it? Can you imagine what the next two years are going to be like if every time the Congress works its will and then there's a tweet or from an individual who has no official portfolio who threatened members on the Republican side with a primary, and they succumb? This institution has a separate responsibility based upon the separation of powers. Members of Congress don't serve under presidents of the United States. You know, I want to explain something here. I want to pull up a post from Democrat Jasmine Crockett.

She says, where is it here? Let me try to find this. Well, the point is, yeah, she says, which branch of government does Elon Musk belong to? Let's just put this all in perspective as we close out the second hour of the Alex Jones show. Which branch of government does Elon Musk belong to? Well, actually, Jasmine, part of government that Elon Musk belongs to is actually the most important part of government. And it seems as though you and your colleagues have forgotten.

the most important part of the government. And that part is we the people. We the people. You see, Congress is not supposed to execute its will over us. Our government is not supposed to dictate our future to us. It's actually the opposite. And you just got a little taste of that. And you don't like it.

He says, well, can you imagine two years? years of the people deciding their fate? Can you imagine the next two years of Americans getting to voice their opinion and have an influence over this Congress? Can you believe it? Yeah, we the people are back. We are taking our government back. We're taking our future back, our destiny back, our country back.

You don't seem to like it that much. But we're not going anywhere. And this is a huge threshold that has been crossed, ladies and gentlemen. And I explained it yesterday when I opened the war room. I'm almost out of time here, but I'll explain it when I come back. Yesterday's failure to pass the bill and the response from Congress since is a major threshold cross. And I'll explain that when we come back. And we have a special report coming up from Alex.

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