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Episode Date: July 30, 2026

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Tomorrow's News Today. Real time, uncensored, unstoppable. Alexjoneslive.com. Take a stand. Share the link. Joining us for this live Thursday edition, we're continuing to chronicle each step of our nation being set up by Israel and Black Rock and the Globalists being sucked into a Pyrrhic victory on the good end,

a total defeat on the bad end. A Pyrrhic victory is a strategic defeat. That's the modern term, a strategic defeat. Axios is now reporting along with the Wall Street Journal. There's media-eyed article posts at the top of Drudge. Trump exacerbated where it lays out the fact that the Pentagon officials and top advisors are warning Trump, that yes, you had some tactical victories. but you're having a strategic defeat.

That means a Pyrrhic victory. Pyrrhic victory means you on the surface win a war, but really lose the war. And Iran wants a whole new security arrangement with the U.S. basically out of the Middle East, and that's been their demand. And that's where this is going. You now have them attacking the Iranians, the Suez Canal port, connected to Egypt. We are 152 days into this total disaster.

Now we have Joe Kent, the former head of counterterrorism, who warned against all this and resigned two weeks into the war, joining us today, massive guests with incredible sources. And then we also have another individual with incredible research and sources. Michael Young joining us today. We're going to be going over all of this. So remember, you're the Paul Revere. The goal here is that war in the public so they know what's happening to generate enough grassroots support to Congress to have them invoked the War Powers Act.

Last week, they only failed by three votes in the Senate to end this war. We can do it. We have more and more top Trump supporters like Lori Ingram and Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck saying, okay, say you had some tactical victories here. Say you were there to just get the weapons and degrade the weapons. and in the war now. And Trump's like, well, that'll make it look like I lost. You know, what's going to lose is if you continue to have the straight closed,

and if you continue to run on weapons, and you continue to strengthen Iran, as we warned you months before this started, Trump, and as we warned you the day it started, and as I've warned every subsequent day, this is the big fly on the ointment that's derailing everything. And Israel has spent on the record in the last year, $1.3 billion of past weather Knesset, it's not counting what billionaires gave, to pay for propaganda and to buy off, talk show hosts and influencers. And they all sit there and play stupid when they get up on their shows every day on the networks and on X and on everywhere else on YouTube. And they read talking points about how we're panicking and we're Iranian agents and we're Qatari agents and we're idiots and Joe Ken's a traitor and Tulsi Gabbard's an idiot.

and the Joint Chiefs of Staff were wrong to tell Trump that this wouldn't go well. We were simply being loyal Americans to the truth and justice proven right yet again. So go to Drudge report. We also have the same stories linked up at Alex Jones Live.com, our main news site, the mother ship, the court is to promote and share. And look at those headlines at Drudge. War expands in Middle East. Saudi Arabia, obviously two days ago, joining the bombing.

Pentagon scrambles for weapons. Trump exacerbated. The reason Saudi Arabia and others are going to join in is the U.S. stockpiles are basically gone because of the Ukraine war. And now this war, China is the big winner out of all this. This is a complete disaster. Now, obviously, we have a lot of domestic news to cover. We have a lot of economic news that ties into all of this. But front and center, this is killing the Republicans in the polls for the midterms.

This is a total disaster. We have to put pressure on the administration to pull out of this damn thing now. The problem is the Iranians are. This sword has tasted blood, and it will taste more. From the front lines of the Information War, it's Alex Jones. It is Thursday, July 30th, 2026. I am your host, Alex Jones. Running shotgun is my Info Wars veteran son, 13 years doing broadcast with us, Rex Jones.

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Now, here's the deal. This is all been completely war-gamed. I know I've been mainly focusing on this war because it is going to kill the economy. It already has. It's already derailed the recovery. The globalist had his position for a global collapse. They were in total panic mode over Trump's recovery plan that was actually working. It got sabotaged at every level by Howard Ludnick that wrote the tariffs wrong.

even the Supreme Court said that it just written a few sections differently. It was all constitutional. Letting then bet against the very tariffs and made billions for his sons and himself. That's just one example. Black Rock is beside itself happy right now. They want everybody to go bankrupt, the general public. The globalists double their wealth during COVID. The planet's middle class and working class and working poor lost roughly half their wealth during COVID.

That was a global reset assault of the Great Reset. They then said now we're going to use war as the next leg of the Great Reset. This is a war against humanity. This will starve tens of millions to death. It already is. With the fertilizer being caught off out of Ukraine and out of the Middle East, which supplied about 40% globally. We're talking almost 30% on the straight over Mousselaone.

The dominoes are now falling. We'll be getting into that coming up as well. And the numbers, oil surging way past $100 a barrel on what's happening. The United States is running out of munitions. because of the multi-front war we're fighting in this new world war. Now, if you go to Grok or Gemini or chat GPT and say, are we in a new world war, they'll say no. No one definitive, New York Times, CNN, are listed by the computers.

They're told this is definitive. The same publications that tell you two men are going to have a baby. There's no accident like chromosomes are going to tell you we're not in a war, and it's not a world war. They're also going to tell you we're winning the war when we're not. They're also going to tell you that they're not getting an actual draft ready, even though they passed it last year and now have AI tests going on how to actually bring it in.

Now, that's preparation for the draft. We have the neocon leadership saying they need a national draft, and Democrats saying they support a national draft as well. That's the majority of them. So, no, they are getting ready for that. Europe's bringing back to the draft. This is all happening. We don't wait until CNN tells us that the sky's blue to announce that the sky's blue.

We don't wait for CNN to say, Alex is wearing a dark gray shirt with a space force space shuttle on it. No, I am, and I can make that decision, and I can make that for myself. If I look out the window and see my neighbor's house on fire, I don't need to have a degree in firefighting to know that there's 20-foot flames shooting out the windows. So that's where we are, ladies and gentlemen. I don't need to be a pathologist when I've seen a car flipped two or three times and bodies fly out, and then I got out of the car and a person had their head half cut off with bloodsprang out, and then I watched their eyes go dull and die. I wasn't a pathologist when I was 15 and I saw that.

I knew they were dead. And then about five minutes later, the ambulance pulled up. And the person was dead. So that's where we are right now. We have to admit it. They want to sleepwalk us into that. That's the Psiop. That's the brain washing.

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Okay. So let's get into it right now. Let's put Drugs Report up front and center. Let's go through those three headlines right there at the top. Number one, they're almost out of weapons and the factories can't keep up. Pentagon scrambling for weapons. The war has expanded. Iran hit Egypt's main port to the Suez Canal last night.

Oil exploded, even more. Running out of weapons. exacerbated. Let's read the Trump exacerbated article right now. This is a very important article, obviously, and it's the same thing as reported by Axios. I can tell you, Trump was already advised of this by the chairman of the joint chiefs Kane before he launched the war about 157 days ago. He launched the war 152 days ago. Trump exacerbated as his top officials at odds over Iran war strategy. President Trump has grown increasingly exacerbated as the war in Iran stretches into its six months with NBC News reporting exclusively. We can link through that to the actual report.

On Wednesday that the president recently erupted at top national security officials. We actually told you that has happened a bunch amid deep divisions inside his administration over how to proceed. How many months ago did I tell you he was blowing up? I told you last week he was blowing up. because we have the sources. The report, citing a U.S. official and people familiar with the discussions, paints a picture of a divided White House. As one U.S. official put it, after all this time, there is no unity. Trump exploded during a meeting with top national security officials last week.

What did I tell you last week? Pull it up. Don't make this up. By the way, my source wasn't Joe Kent, but he's coming up. He has sources. We have those type of sources, even higher up than Joe Kent was. Leave it at that. Trump exploded.

during a meeting with top national security officials last week over a lack of progress in Iran yelling expletives. According to NBC News, the report says administration officials remain divided over whether the priority should be stopping Iran's nuclear program, prohibiting shipping through the straight-up war moose, or degrading Tehran's missile and drone arsenal. Well, Trump said it was about getting their nukes, but it's really about regime change. They've now admitted that, and we have the videos of Lindsey Graham posthumously by the Wall Street journal and others for a documentary that was coming out about how they won the war, but they didn't, so they're releasing it now where they planned to have regime change. So stop gaslighting us.

The same official warned the administration has a series of tactical victories, but is, as your quotes, but is facing a strategic defeat without clear policy guidance or a decision about where this is going. Yes, it's not 3D chess to never be direct about what we're doing, like Churchill was the beginning of World War II. We shall go on to the end, whatever the cost may be. No. Trump keeps saying, oh, it's about their weapons. Oh, it's about their ships on the bottom.

Oh, it's about the nukes. Oh, it's about it, but never about regime change. Another person is closer to Trump told NBC News. The president has become increasingly discouraged by Iran's refusal to strike a deal. Oh, but we always hear they're begging for a deal. No. They know that they make a deal that always gets broken. They've said this.

I'm not defending the move. is this is what they're saying and what the facts are. Okay? Whenever you say what the facts are, the neocons and their surrogates, they're paid, say, oh, you're siding with them. No, if they point the sky and it's blue, and I say it's blue, too. That's just reality. They don't hold the cards if they make a deal because it always gets broken.

So if they go ahead and push all the way to the end, keep the straight close, crash the world economy, including theirs, an a kamikaze operation, and then absolutely put pressure on Trump and attack all the other regional allies. there at a point, it's who can hang on the longest in a war of attrition. Remember these terms I explained. Wars of attrition. Tactical victories versus strategic victories. Strategic victories are a nice way of saying,

Pyrrhic victories. Let's pull the definition of Pyrrhic victory. That goes back to ancient war in what is Greece and Mediterranean now. And the king had a big war and ended up winning it, but at the end, it destroyed his empire, and it later fell apart. So it's where you win a bunch of battles, think you've won the war, but you end up failing. Period victory is a win that comes to such a high cost that it feels like a defeat. Turner means winning the battle, but losing the war, bringing enormous loss, and leaving the winner in a desperate state named after King Phyrus. of Iphorus, a Greek leader.

In 279 BC, he beat the Roman army at the Battle of Asclem. He lost so many of his own soldiers and best officers that he started another such win would ruin him. And that's what we're talking about here. So when you hear them saying, sir, you've had strategic victories in the past, but this is not a strategic victory. You've had tactical victories. We're not having a strategic victory. It's called a Pyrrhic victory.

And when they list, oh, we blew up their missiles. Oh, we degraded their nukes. Oh, we did this and that. That means let's get out of there. Let's declare victory and say we won. What have I been saying before the war started? I said that they can trick us into this. Once Trump wakes up, hopefully, we'll be there exposing it.

On with you. They will then hopefully the good guys in there will be able to convince Trump to off-ramp this sucker. What have we been saying a thousand times? We're looking for an off-rent. So I'm not just repeating the same stuff here. I'm giving the latest updates and saying, we're right, we're totally vindicated. You're right.

You're vindicated. We've got to beat this drum because one-third of the oil and more of the fertilizer is shut down now in these wars, and it's already causing mass disaster. The world was already on the verge of total collapse. Every major country was already maxed out on debt. The average individual maxed out on debt. We were at the Great Reset. The globalist said that.

They asked where they want us. They had the central managemental currencies. The global social credit score ready. They were ready to bring it all in. Trump was opposing it. Now he's a deep-sixing his own economic recovery. 39 states, it was 25 or six months ago, have passed laws. And you have a government contract or government job at the state level.

You've ever criticized Israel. You have the head Israel propaganda saying you'll never have jobs who criticize us in any way. We're tracking all the computers. We control Google. We control the algorithm. than we control what the fact said is. We're putting in a digital tyranny over you. We're taking over the Pentagon and intelligence.

We're taking control of your military production. We co-own it. NDAA, Section 219, pass the house. We rule you. We're going to primary anybody doesn't do what we want. This is ideal, perfect situation. Having America fight our battles for us their finance minister two weeks ago.

I mean, this is unbelievable. Everybody knows. I don't look for reasons to demonize Israel. This China was the main threat previously. Israel controlled our foreign policy in the Middle East. I don't like the Islamists, but I didn't like their policies and ideas that stir them up. Don't defeat them. But I knew that they were stuck in oxygen out of the room and were not the main focus.

Maybe I was wrong because now they are literally taking completely over, which I didn't think they could ever go to this level. But it is happening. And it's happening because Black Rock and the globalist above Israel want to have them do this. They get their wider Israel, greater Israel. The globalists get financial collapse. The president is exacerbated. The ally said, I don't think he believed it was going to be this difficult to get the Iranians to agree to a deal.

There was not a real strategy for how long or what they would do to get to the end point. He did not intend this to be a long, drawn out war. The ally added it goes on. Now, let me explain something here that I explained back when he was first in office that he understood, I guess, and now he didn't get. And we said the main threat would be war and a new pandemic. they'd try to hatch. And nobody nailed it like we did, predicting all this other than Nick Fointess. He was even ahead of us by about a year.

Two years before Trump got reelected, he said he'll get reelected. This will be the issue. Iran. When you pull back from all of this and you understand that Trump thinks that everything is conditional, everything is transactional, everything is one-dimensional, where we give you this, you give us that. we don't ever stick to the deals we make. Trump was known for sticking the deals previously

as he could get deals. Now he's known for flip-flopping or Israel being in control and blowing up peace processes wherever they want. So Iran has said this is a war, this isn't a business deal, this is all the way to the end,

this is all the way of the finish line, same thing with Russia. Trump said he'd get in the Russia war in one day. But there are all these factions and factors in NATO, the unelected EU, and Russia and hardliners. And so they're not giving up. In fact, they're winning. And so then what does Nato do? They double down, they accelerate,

and that goes up the escalation ladder. That's why these things lead you to total war. That's why they said three years ago, we have Abrams tanks and M16s to Ukraine, that will accelerate the escalation ladder and finally lead a nuclear war. When Biden said that, he was telling the truth. His advisors had told him, even though he had the brain of a potato. He understood that. And now where are we? Bombing all over Russia. We're running it. We're triangulating it. We're directing the weapons. We're building the weapons. 90% of them.

And Russia's like, you're bombing us. You're blowing up Moscow every day. You're blowing up our roller farmers. You're bombing our apartment buildings. You're blowing up our shopping malls. You're blowing up girls' schools. You're blowing up buses full of soccer players, little girls. All of it is provocative to suck them into full war.

This is the plan to suck us globally into a full world war, which we're already in to accelerate it as the cover for the economic collapse of the globalists and to bring in on its ashes their corporate, private, panoptic, Mark of the Beast, Cashless Society, Surveillance State, Grit. This is the admitted plan. They admits the admitted plan. We're in an adult level looking at the geopolitical systems who the players are reporting on hard, cold facts.

That's why everything we say keeps coming true exactly as we said. We go, here's the options in the directions, from bad to worse. I say it will probably be here, not total nuclear war yet, but worse than the best worst office. We're trending 60, 70% to the worst. And then I'm just like, now it'll trend here. Soon the other Arab will join, soon trouble talking about ground invasion

and start getting the draft ready. Soon he'll start panicking more and the question is, will he double down more, or will he get sanity? But then the other big wild card comes in, bigger than this isn't business. This is war, okay? You can say, well, war is a business.

At one level it is, but not when it's major strategic powers powers as each other. It's about total power. It's about brinksmanship. It's about attrition. George Washington lost almost every battle but won the war. Okay. So what I've said about Iran, not comparing him to George Washington in their ideals, but in the situation. Greatest empire in the world never beaten, the British Empire. How did we beat him in six years? Attrition. Just absolutely willing to never give up, never stop. And having a superior ideology. So we have all of those pieces, and then we have the big piece. And I've been saying this since this started.

I said the Iranians hold the cards. They'll close the straight. They won't fall. And then I said we can pull up the first show on March 1st. We got to re-air that. In fact, this weekend, I'm going to do a special live Saturday show. Then we're going to re-air the whole three-hour show right after I do it like an hour or two Saturday. We'll go live at noon Saturday.

I'll do an hour, two hours on the latest developments, other news. and then we'll play the March 1st show in its entirety. And I said the final piece will be, the Iranians will know that if they make deals, they always get broken, they'll go all in, try to force our troops out, trying to force a new regional security agreement,

which sounds like something Trump will never do, but when it's the only option Trump has because he's had a strategic defeat, I use the term, strategic defeat, period victory, just blowing up stuff is a puret victory. when people have attrition and a war of attrition

and they're the they're the victor. That's ultimate war is siege. Ultimate war is marathon upon marathon. This is what real war is. You are not defeated, as the Romans said, until you believe you are defeated. An enemy is not defeated until they believe they're defeated as Harrison.

Love to say, which is a real Roman quote. So the Iranians are being belligerent. I think they're pushing a little too hard, but that's the recklessness. That's actually the total commit, which you have to respect. And so they're saying we're never giving up until we get $300 billion. It was $500 billion, so they are backing down some.

And until all your troops are gone. And they're like, we're not going to do that. Okay, we'll just bomb all your bases until they have to leave anyways, which has basically happened. So they're really playing with fire because the globalists in Israel will set off a new 9-11. They've been talking about it. They've been priming it. They've been preparing it. They've been warning.

Oh, you better do what we say. It'll be new 9-11. Very thinly veiled. and I'm telling you, the people run in the U.S. and the Israel lobby, and not just Israel lobby, but the neocons and the warhawks, they will stage new 9-11, much bigger blame Iran. And Iran, you will get nuked. And if you think the U.S. would drop bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, okay, even though the Japanese had already unconditionally surrendered, oh yeah, they already surrendered five days before. That was just to demonstrate the atomic bomb to the Russians. That's all they classified. If you think that the globalist won't stage mass of false flags,

and if you don't think they won't nuke every major city you've got, and nuke Kirk Island, take about 20 nukes, big ones to take out the whole area, collapse all those honeycomb nests you've got. Let me tell you got the nuclear weapons loaded, buddy, boy. You don't think they won't kill Trump and say Iran in it, and Israel get their enemy out of the way and turn him into a martyr? Oh, yeah, it's a probability, Israel or the deep state working with it. Israel is going to kill Trump very soon.

You're already there first. I just know the cards, folks. I know the globalists. They're either going to kill Trump, blame Iran, or they're going to set a nuke off in New York, or they don't want to damage Israel too much. They'll say, in the Mediterranean, somehow Iran with a shipping container.

They've already been priming that in the news. They lost drones for shipping container ships. And then it'll get within, you know, a quarter mile of Tel Aviv and detonate and send in, you know, a hundred foot wave will damage much stuff, blow a bunch of windows out, cause a bunch of fires. They'll test the radioactive isotopes. It'll be the same uranium.

The Iranians have that has fingerprints on it, isotopic fingerprints. And then within a day, Israel noose Iran. So Trump's assassinated. It's blamed on Iran. He's already primed the pump for that. They've walked into it, too. Trump said if I died, blame Iran, blow him all up. So he's put his head in the news and or nukes.

And they couldn't be both at the same time. So when I say that, I mean that. When I say that, I'm not saying that to hype things. You know I don't hype stuff. I tell you what I break my brain focusing on. What I break my brain. I mean, I went to bed last night. I haven't slept 10 hours in probably six months.

I've been so free time. I slept for 10 hours last night. And the whole time I was dreaming about this. And literally like, you know, like a board. room situation room. And I even knew it was a dream, but I couldn't wake up and get out of it. And I was like, you need to sleep. You need to stop. And I was just in there wargaming all this. It just went on and on and on. I was like in this war room arguing with myself. And I mean, because that's how much my brain is focused, hyper focused on this. So you heard it here first.

They're going to assassinate Trump. They're looking to do it. Hope it doesn't happen. And by exposing it, they lose that card. That's why they hate me getting ahead of their narratives. assassinate Trump to go to full war with Iranian nuclear war or set off a nuke to do it. That's the only card they've got left, ladies and gentlemen. And the false flags are cooked up. They're ready. The pump's been primed. It's all coming up.

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at a military base in Israel because the commander was conducting satanic, Molot devil worship rituals. There's horace. It's 100 now. Dozens of ID of soldiers. Desert base after commander takes down banners, disciplinary action, and they reportedly doing satanic rituals that they were protesting. So there you go, ladies and gentlemen, that is coming up.

This is what we're dealing with, ladies and gentlemen. Now, we're going to get into the economic crises that we predicted. six months before the war that the big threat would be Iran and the straight being closed and all of that then Michael Ghan's coming up, then Joe Kemp, we've got a bunch of other news. We're going to inters

first here. Huge Fauci hearings, unbelievable excerpts we haven't gotten to so much on the AI bubble about to pop. We're going to do that at a moment as well. We are on the cusp of global collapse by design. Exposing you can put enough pressure on Trump. We're very close. A lot of his advisors

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720, 605, 390, they can also roll over financial instruments and more. That's a smart move, KPM.com, for slash gold. Now, I wanted to bring him in because he's been a sponsor now for almost two and a half years. Even before Trump got in, he said, I'm really worried what could wreck the recovery in his plan that was starting to work. Even before he got in, he said it would work it was, would be an Iran war, the closure of the strait. So to get into that, to get into the dot-com bubble, that most experts read it's about to pop, what will that mean? And we're now six months into this war.

Trump is exacerbated, looking for an exit ramp. What would that exit ramp be because the Mullahs are being belligerent because they hold the cards? Is Dr. Kirk Elliott who predicted all of this? Dr. Elliott, thanks for being here. Yeah, it's great to be with you, Alex. Well, where to start? I mean, absolute vindication, but that's sickening. I wish we were wrong.

Yeah. I mean, we talked about this before February when the conflict started, right? And it's like this wasn't going to be a quick three-day, five-day incursion, right? And we thought it was going to last a while because you're dealing with ideological differences religiously, politically. I mean, it's just not an army is not going to take care of that usually. Right. Look at Afghanistan, right? It just goes on for a long time.

Now, this has been drawn out and we've had it's going to end. going to end it's going to end it's not going to end during that time oil goes up now the price of oil to me um is indicative of i think where the world is headed for 20 in 2027 kevin warsh made comments yesterday for the day before i had time is flying right when the fomc said they were going to hold rates steady right so that tells me that they don't really know what to do right now because everything's so up and down, right? But I want to go over some of the implications of this, right? Because oil today

is in the mid-80s. The longer the straight is shut down, or even at 50% capacity, the price of oil is going to continue to go up. Now, here's the problem. We as Americans feel it.

The economy is not good, which we'll get into, but most of the world is living hand-to-mouth. There's barely scraping by. Most of the world is living in poverty. So when oil jumps up to 100, it becomes very problematic for most people in the world. If oil hits 120, which is what Goldman Sachs thinks it could go to if this doesn't end, you're talking about a major global recession. It's stagflationary recession. The economy is slowing down, but prices going up. That's bad.

if we hit 140, 150, I think it's lights out. At that point, you really start to get geopolitical consequences because when you are impacting the way that most of the people in the world even have a choice of eating or not eating, it usually ends up in war. So I think the price of oil here and the ending of this conflict is very important to the economy, not even talking about the political ramifications of all this. I'm just talking about the economic fallout of what's happening here. So from on a domestic standpoint, Kevin Warsh, he gives his speech, right? And what did he say two weeks ago? Two weeks ago, he said, inflation is going to be a thing of the past. Okay.

And what does that mean? I mean, he basically says the old FOMC committee members, that's the old guard. The new guard is going to really change things. And inflation is going to be a thing of the past. It's like, wait a second. It counteracts everything I just said, which I think inflation is going to be an issue moving forward, not just with oil, but with food and everything else because of fertilizer and things that you and I have talked about. So when he says it's going to be a thing of the past, what are the tools that the Fed uses? to combat inflation.

The easiest one is you raise interest rates to slow down inflation. The other not so easy one is you stop printing money and you start pulling money out of circulation. That's not really a choice for them or else. That's going to cause a depression. That's going to cause stagnation to accelerate. So let me ask you this. And I want you to continue. I'm not the economist like you, but I read it all.

general interest rates are all going up on cars, on houses, on money lending, but then they say, oh, we've frozen it. We may have to increase it, the new head of the Federal Reserve, the Trump moved heaven and earth to get in, but now he can't cut rates because of what Trump's done and what Israel lured is sent to. So that's a fact. But when we look in general that I see interest rates going up in general, how is that happening when the main rate has been frozen? And generally, it doesn't do that, at least unless I'm wrong, the way it is. So just like we're told oil was really $80 a barrel when it was really $100, translated in the last month into gas prices. So we see a number with AI manipulation, 70 plus percent of trading. I think Tucker also was right about that.

I think I know he was. So we're told oils this, but it's really that at the pump. And we're told industry rates are flat or frozen, but they're not. Is that accurate statement? It's an accurate statement. That is a really good, amazingly perceptive question, right? Because when Warsh is talking about interest rates, what interest rate is he talking about? It's the federal funds rate, which is the rate that banks lend to other banks for.

When he says we're going to raise their lower interest rates, that's the only one that they're talking about. Today, that's at 3.63%. So he said, we're not going to raise it a quarter, lower it a quarter, right? And the target range for the Fed is 3.5 to 3.75 right now. So they're right in that ballpark. Now, to me, this is my perception as an economist, even though it's important because every other rate, interest rate that we talk about is tied to what banks are getting money for, right?

So that's the first level. When a bank needs money from the Fed, they're being charged 3.63% on that borrowing. If Bank of America needs money from J.P. Morgan Chase, they're getting it at the federal funds rate, 3.63% right now. So then there's a second interest rate, which is the prime rate. The prime rate is about 3% higher than the federal funds rate. So it's about 6.75%. So what is that? That's where the big banks lend to their best customers at, the prime rate. So we're not talking about you and me being their best customers. We're talking about. about JPMorgan Chase lending to Nvidia, for example, right? So 6.75% is the prime rate. Now, the prime rate is the basis for credit cards, right? So credit cards, the average, this is why this is such a problem and why America is going into, I'm not saying going into, we are in stagflation right now.

So credit cards, even if you have a plus credit, even if you have an 800 credit score and you're amazing at paying off your debt, right, and doing it on time. Credit cards right now, the average is 23.79%. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. That's if you have good credit. So what are the banks making on that? Right.

So they're borrowing at 3.63. They're charging 23%. They're making the difference. Right. But so it's like, well, they're just profit hungry monsters, right? That's not necessarily the case. They charge that because at this point, they're lending their own money. So what comes into the equation here?

And this is an important piece of the economy, which I think these other interest rates are actually more important than the federal funds rate. So when you get a credit card from Bank of America, Bank of America is looking at, okay, what is our cost of capital? It's 3.63%. We're going to charge the client 23%. Why? Because in a bad economy, the credit card payments are the last things that people pay. They're going to pay off their house first. They're going to pay off their auto payments next because they don't want to be foreclosed on.

They don't want it to be taken away. So there's late payments and there's complete defaults and there's bankruptcies. And so the banks are using their actuarial tables and saying, what do we need to charge to actually, A, make money and make a handsome profit from it? by the way, but B, how do we make sure that the reward that we're getting is worth the risk of giving people money that might not, maybe shouldn't have it? Me, case and point. Yeah, so bottom line, they're using, bottom line, they're using the crisis to squeeze everybody, which you see before it collapse. So, so we have limited time.

I want you to get to the meat potatoes here. You set the table like suddenly. What does this mean? What are we set up for? What are you predicting is going to happen next? What should Trump do versus what he's doing? What is the exit ramp? What do you see for the economy?

And then also what do you see for silver and gold? Yeah. So where I see the economy headed is rising interest rates next year, probably three or four of them. Right? This is going to put even a bigger pinch on the domestic economy. This is why this conflict needs to end some way, somehow. I don't know how, right? Because we keep hearing conflicting stories all the time.

But it needs to end. or we get inflationary pressures and cause interest rates to go up. You think credit card payments are bad now? Just wait. You think mortgages? Banks don't want to lend out money on a 30-year mortgage and they don't even know what's going to happen tomorrow. That's why mortgage rates are over 7% right now,

as high as they've been since 2003. Right? I mean, this is not good. So Kevin Warsh is saying we're going to fight inflation. The number one tool that they use is to raise interest rates. That's why I think interest rates are going to go up. Now, banks, where do I think the global economy is headed? Stagflation.

Look at what numbers just came out for this quarter. Economic growth, 1.5%. Inflation 3.3%. Prices are going up faster than the economy is growing. We are in stagflation now. So technically, you need to lower interest rates to stimulate this thing, but the global economy is telling us we can't do it because we've got this war and we've got this conflict and the prices of everything are going to remain high. So what are the big banks doing?

What are the central banks around the world doing? They're allocating into gold. I mean, we've talked about this numerous times. But in the first quarter of this year, something is changing right underneath our nose. Number one, first quarter of this year, the outflows of gold, the central, banks slowed down their purchases. Second quarter increased it dramatically. They're buying gold hand over fist.

So the World Gold Council just came out with their numbers. I'm sorry. Bank of Montreal just came out with their numbers. China has over 30,000 tons of gold. How much does America, the Fed have? 8,500 tons. 30,000 tons of gold is what China has. amongst official government ownership, banks, investment companies, 30,000 tons. So why are they doing this?

Right. So this goes back to something that you and I warned people about on the first or second show that we ever did together. Literally, I looked back at it. And this is Project Embridge, a joint, you know, digital payment rails between the Bank for International Settlements and the BRICS nations to actually settle digitally, gearing up for central bank digital currency, settlement between countries in something other than the U.S. dollar. This is what Project Ambridge is about. So it's not... That's why Black Rock is so happy about this war and have said they are. This is the reset they need. This could kill the dollar. It's already happening. That's why this is such an even bigger disaster

because all we have left folks is the dollar in our military. Trump's trying to get the jobs back. It hasn't happened quick enough. We've been explaining the globalist plan, but they've the world into total debt under their central bank digital currency control, literally market the beast. That's where we are with this war, not just losing the midterms, not just the death instruction, but positioning us for collapse and the globalist dictating the terms of our surrender. This is a big historic shift. At the end of this turning into a new system where we could have a new renaissance. Instead, they're going to jump the train from one tracks onto the accelerated tyranny track. Yeah, this is so big. This is so big.

This is a mega story, Alex, because Project Ambridge, it's not just, are we going to choose between the U.S. dollar and the yen or the U.S. dollar and the euro? No, this allows for digital payments in anything other than the U.S. dollar. You could make settlements, you know, tokenized oil, tokenized gold, tokenized silver. You can settle in anything other than the U.S. dollar. This is why this is so important, right? So a project Embridge used for evil under central bank digital currency could be used for good in the sense of decentralized finance, the blockchain, you know, things like Bitcoin, Ethereum, Salon, XRP, whatever. They use the same type of technology, right? So this is where the world is headed.

Now, when you look at why this is so important, China having 30,000 tons of gold, Project Embridge being ready for deployment, what do you think they want to? settle in. They're saying we want gold as collateral, not the U.S. dollar. So the fact that they're ramping up their purchases, this digital money is happening right underneath our nose. They're

amassing massive amounts of gold. Allocate into this trend, which is a paradigm shifting moment for the world. 100%. Let's explain this. I know the listener are smart for those that are left us may be just tuned in and let's just say aren't sophisticated on this. This isn't

He was sophisticated. This is no-brainer. The universities, the billionaires, even Warren Buffett, the big central banks, they're all predicting by next year massively increased, you know, gold up 30, 40%, percent, silver, all of it. You already saw the trends, you know, six months ago. They've been artificially suppressing it. Well, they hoard it right now. They've all said and made their bet, and they're talking about the central bank of currency's being back with a basket of oil and of gold and silver and other key commodities. This is the new plan and segueing off the dollar. And if we do lose the dollar, my God, you talk about Katie bar the door, but regardless, we're trying to stop that, though. Trump's put in policies that are accelerating that. Individuals have to protect themselves. And the no-brainer is silver and gold. You've got the highest ratings. People need to call you.

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Dr. Elliott, you can also roll over financial interests. Tell us about that. Yeah, you can roll over 401Ks, 403Bs, IRAs. If it has IRA in the name, traditional Roth, simple, Sep inherited, you can actually put it into physical gold and silver. Don't buy coins. Don't buy collectibles. Don't buy commemoratives.

Why? because it's not an easy exit. It could be no liquidity on the flip side when you want to sell because the dealer has to make a market for it. They have to call client B and say, hey, we've got some stuff where you want to buy it. When you're buying bullion, what do you think the Samsung's and the Sonys and the invidias of the world are buying? They're not buying coins and melting them down. They're buying 1,000 ounce bullion bars. They're buying bullion.

This is why this is what we sell because there's always a market for it. and it's easy when you're owning the commodity that the rest of the world needs in the form that it needs to be in. And that's why we do it that way. Now, I'm not talking about paper versions of it. It's not a certificate. It's not some kind of a proxy for the real thing. It is the real thing by bullion gold, by bullion silver, really in a world of all of the options of metals, those are the only things that you should do. When you purchase from us, it's 8%.

when you liquidate, it's zero. So all of the proceeds go to you. We don't need it. Kirk, it's important to add. Sometimes you can't get coins at wholesale bullion prices, but in general it's going to be the bars, and that's what's going on. So as long as you're getting wholesale folks,

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Close to $4,900 an ounce. And Bank of America said silver 309. Let's say they're 50% wrong. That's still 150. Right? So we're on a trajectory moving up because of the global financial pressures that we're seeing. Even if they're 50% fine. There's no perfect safe bet, but this is the safest one out there.

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I'm your host Alex Jones, riding shotgun. is my veteran son, 13 years Indian full war, Rex Jones. The incredible Michael Yon, geopolitical expert, military expert, joins us then Joe Kent, former out of National Counterterrorism Center. On the incredible developments,

we have Israel and a huge walkout at a military base over Satan worship that reportedly the leadership was engaged in. They even have proof. Those video clips and the walkout are coming up. Next segment. And more. But Rex, you've been sitting there very patiently

while myself and Kirk Elliott talked about the situation, Trump's got to get an off ramp soon. The problem is Iran knows that they make a deal. We won't stick by it. So they're going all the way here in a war of attrition. And we are now having a strategic defeat, meaning a Pyrrhic victory. Rex, we called it by the book 100% dead on. And I just can't believe that the neocons were able to convince Trump to do this.

Right. I mean, our network is known for future. predictions and I called it, you called it at 2 a.m. in the morning when this was all happening, this is a war of choice. And this is why we're fated to lose. This is why the Iranians are fated to win, right? Because winning to them looks a lot different than it does to us. For us to win, we would have to take over the country, do the regime change, break it up into three pieces, install the Shah or whatever Israeli leadership needed to go down there for them to be happy. That is essentially like trying to get to the moon on like a thousand dollar budget. You know,

We're going to build a space program, make it work. There's just not enough logistics and troops in the world for us to get that done, whereas all the Iranians have to do is keep the straight closed. And not even just that now with the Houthis, the Yemeni people joining in, closing the Babel Mendeb, with the Iraqi resistance joining in. That axis of resistance is really starting to take shape and form because they realize their threshold for pain is a lot more extreme than ours is. And that's kind of the nature of all of this.

And to people on, I'll just say like our side, whatever you want to say, populist right, people that are still having an issue where they're unable to break with Trump, they're unable to stop believing what he's saying. We've literally watched him say the same thing a hundred times. They have no air defense. They have no military. It's obliterated. We've defeated them. Okay. So why are the troops?

No missiles. They have no missiles? Exactly. Oh, well, why do we lose 43 aircraft? And then they'll just kind of gloss that over. They don't really care. People don't still or people still don't consider. or this to be a war, Dad. I think that's the most outrageous thing.

Almost all of the billion-dollar radar, which they have to have for missile defense. Old-fashioned radar spins, folks. They have total beam radar that costs over a billion dollars per unit. We had two of them over there. They're all blown up. They had a bunch of other subgroups. I believe they've blown up over 10. I believe the average cost is between $300 to $600 million. This is what makes the Patriot and the Thad at least somewhat semi-effective if they are. are operational. However, our munitions that cost between 4 million if it's the Patriot and 12 million if it's the THAAD are complete doo-do rockets if they do not have the radars to make them function. And that's the reality. And that's just a fact. Let's be clear. Let's be clear. There's only six of this

radar that cost over a billion dollars. They blew those up. Sure. Sure. I'm talking about the other advanced other advanced radar. Yeah. Absolutely. But overall, more than 40 of our radars have been blown up. We're basically blind. That's why the ships won't go on the straight. Trump keeps trying to order them in the situation room. We first broke this. It's not confirmed to go into the straight, they explain they can because they've got the Chinese anti-ship missiles that will defeat our different systems.

So, yeah, this is a disaster. And Lindsey Graham said, I believe, in our Marines. I think 2005-00-Mor Marines. If we could do this, which is just a sick statement to make, it's really disgusting to throw away American sons and daughters like that. lives. They don't care. It's like scraps on the plate. But you hit the key there. We would need hundreds of thousands

of troops just to take it straight. Israel said this is ideal. They want the quagmire. They lied to Trump. But instead, because they lie to him and tell him he's great, he loves them, and he hates the people that were right. Good, we don't care. Because we're loyal Americans. Rex, stay right there, my friend. You're on fire.

And we will continue on back in 60 seconds with Michael Young joining us. We're going to get into the folks walking off the military base. Devil worship. New grape flavor, bovine colostrum gummies. Yeah, baby. Yeah, these are the best.

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Now it's hundreds of Israeli soldiers. From a military base in Israel, S-E-E-T-E-I-M-A-N, I think that Sid Teemann have walked off the base over the commanders putting up signs depicting Israel as Satan, defeating its neighbors and reportedly doing satanic rituals. The IDF says the troops deserted the base, leaving behind their weapons without the approval of their superiors, after the battalion commander, decided to take down and destroy signs that had been put up by the soldiers. They are saying that basically the commanders were involved in satanic activities. The decorative signs had contained materials that supposedly humiliated soldiers of the unit according to the army. Soldiers claim the signs were part of our company tradition.

The incident is being investigated and handled by the commanders. This is an incident that is inconsistent with the value of the IDF, with what is expected of our soldiers, the military said, infantry soldiers, the idea of the history of mass desertion over alleged unfair treatment in the military. So just more bizarre behavior. We're going to be getting into all this with Michael Yon and more. But first, let's place some newscast about it, then raw footage of over 100 of them deserting marching off the base. Here it is. Again, for radio listeners,

were showing shots the protests of some of these signs. And reading deeper in the articles, they said that the leadership was engaged in satanic rituals. A lot of bizarreness over there, You had Canaanite cults, you had Molok, you had bail, all, that stuff all continues on. It's in the later books after the original Bible was written, the Old Testament. There's dozens of other books, but 30 plus they think are basically inspired by God. And a bunch of those get into black magic.

When you get into the Jewish mysticism in the Kabbalah, when you get to the final level, you embrace the devil and merge with the devil and then become a greater creature because you have embraced the darkness. I mean, you cannot make this stuff up. But again, that all came out of the Egyptian black magic. It's similar to the European black magic. That basically came out of Solomon itself.

The star of David is not the star of David. And it's not the star of Renfam. Everybody says that's another star. It is the seal of Solomon. And the anti-Israel people always go, you're a liar. It's Renfam. No, no, it's worse.

The seal of Solomon. Solomon is the seal, and then this is in the book of Solomon. It's one of the official Jewish holy books. You can read it online. It's free. Written thousands of years ago. And it explains how he had hundreds and hundreds of wives. He adopted all their religions.

He was the wisest man alive. They weren't sure if he was accepted by God at the end like King David, who was a man for God's own heart. And he was given the seal when he was involved in black magic, basically by the devil as a way to control demons. And so the two triangles, one down, one up, that symbol is the seal of Solomon or Solomon's key. Okay, so that is the symbol that is a top signet in black magic and in the occult. There are several other symbols that are seen as almost as powerful.

One is the V. That's why Alistair Crowley officially for OSS did rituals and created the V to counter the swastika, the sun symbol or the swastika turning clockwise is also seen in the occult as a symbol almost as powerful or it as powerful, maybe more powerful than the seal of Solomon. And anybody that actually studies mainline, you know, but I mean serious black magic, and I have read the official black magic books, the grand grimoires, all of it, you'd understand that is the seal of Solomon, and then you have the V that Crowley basically resurrected, and that he said was super powerful to counter the swastika. So this is all magic, this is all occultism, this is very serious,

this is what goes on in Hollywood and everywhere else, this is what goes on with Jeffrey Epstein, this is what goes on with the British elites, and whether it's Chinese like magic, which you go to any, you know, mall in China, and they'll do curses for you and the rest of it. You can go pay for curses in Japan. You can pay for curses in Africa. You can walk in any, you know, bizarre or mall in Kenya or in Nigeria. You walk into any place you want in the world, other than Muslim countries, they're one of their credits.

So they kind of hide at the back room. You can walk right in and they'll do rituals and all this stuff and tell you they're cursing people all the rest of it. You go to Haiti and do it. Every culture does this. I'm not just singling out of the Jews. I'm a fair person, but let's just say they're particularly into it, a lot of them. And that is just the reality. So there we are.

We'll bring Michael Yon in, who is a world traveler. Actually lives in Japan and in Dripping Springs, Texas part of the year. And he is a former Green Beret, a team operator. And he, of course, is leading combat journalist and photographer. So the most incredible photos ever invented for decades. a lot more combat being embedded with our military around the world than he ever saw when he was a green beret in Europe. And then, of course, he's a geopolitical expert and predicted everything that's now unfolding and happening. I want to not so much get into the strategic areas, we've kind of broken that down, but Trump being exacerbated wanting an exit ramp,

Iran say, we don't trust you to make a deal. We're going to hit the straight, close. We're going to win by a tradition. They're now telling the Pentagon is telling Trump, as they did before the war started, that you're having a strategic defeat. you may be having tactical victories, but those are battles. You're not winning the war. So he's learning what the British learned fighting towards Washington, not comparing Iranians and George Washington in their beliefs, but in their tactical activities of perseverance, this is a basic understanding of war.

You don't just have siege of a city. You have a guerrilla force that is able to hold on and sap the resources of a larger foe. And in the end, you always went. As the Romans said, our enemies are not defeated until they recognize themselves as such. We were never defeated, because we will never recognize ourselves as defeated.

There's another way of saying it, resistance is victory. So let's talk big picture, no off-ramps here, where this is going with the great Michael Yon. Michael, thank you for being here with us today. Hey, Alex. Well, the last time I saw you, I was in your studio, so now I'm over here. So, man, what an epic way to start the day

with Israeli forces going AWOL. I didn't expect that. and from devil worshippers of all things. Well, you know, no off ramps is right because that's not what this is meant to be. This is, you know, the big target with this, as you well know, is the United States. United States is being expended in this war. And you saw, by the way, I think you talked about it earlier about the Saudis, a bombed Iraq.

Yes. No, please elaborate with your geopolitical expertise. be wherever you want. Give us an assessment place, sir. Oh, good. I spent a couple of years running around Iraq, so I'm pretty familiar with those areas. And you see the pilgrims to Karbala being bombed allegedly by Saudi Arabia, which, of course, would widen this with the Shia majority around those areas.

The huge amount of people are Shia, right? And so the Wahhabists who would have bought, this is quite fascinating. You know, I've published numerous times that I would expect at some point, or let's say a high probability, that Mecca and Medina would be, let's say, attacked. And Mecca and Medina, of course, are in Saudi Arabia. There's huge, obviously, pilgrimages to those every year of the Hodge and that sort of thing. But, you know, what you mentioned earlier, Alex, about, you know, basically getting everybody into a big fight, that's part of the plan. all these countries in the Middle East, or let's say not the Middle East, but in the Gulf states, not including Iran, but the Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, and Saudi Arabia, actually, UAE.

I think that those will likely not exist when this is over, likely. I think that because I think that that appears to be part of the plan. Of course, with the greater Israel, that would include taking out Jordan, that would include taking out Lebanon, which is being done right now, Gaza, of course, much of Syria, most of Syria, a big, huge part of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, and Bahrain. Now, back to Iraq, I would not be surprised. I think I mentioned this to you, to see Mosel Dam at some point be destroyed. Mosul Dam, you know, if Israel wants to take, basically Israel's going supernova at this point. They're clearly collapsing. The country's not doing well.

It's sick. The Israelis are spreading around the world. They're going to Argentina and Guatemala and Panama and Thailand and Philippines, the United States, of course. They're going to Greece. They're going all over the world. They're abandoning ship. And now we just saw, I just learned about this when I was just watching you talk about how these Israeli soldiers just abandoned their post, actually, which is pretty interesting

in a time of war. but I think what we're going to see as countries such as, well, they've been, the Iranians apparently have been attacking the desalalization plants in Kuwait, which actually in the desalilionization plants in Kuwait, when you attack those, you're also attacking their electrical grid because they're co-sanguinated. By the way, Michael, you're skipping around, giving them all the facts, which is incredible. You predicted all this months ago and weeks ago that it would pop off in Iraq next. now that's happened. That's why the Saudis are getting involved. Israel's ministers have said we can blow up the Alaskan Mosque and blame it on an Iranian missile to trigger a Shiite, Sunni civil war.

They could also hit Mecca or Medina and trigger that. Israel's also said they want a new 9-11. They didn't say they'll stage it very thinly veiled. They've also said that Iran wants to kill Trump. They can easily kill Trump and then use that to nuke Iran. I'm really concerned they're going to assassinate Trump, a deep state coalition with Israel, to launch a full war, or do a false flag nuke in New York or off Tel Aviv, say on a barge or something they've already pre-programmed that, to go to full nuclear war, cause a civil war in the region. Once it all collapses, then Israel can move in input in new governments. Their financial minister said last week, this is the ideal situation, having chaos in the U.S. in the middle of it. They don't even hide this. So give us a 35,000-foot view first. It's like a green beret. You're walking through all the

pieces and where this spiraling is going. And is there any off-ram? Because Trump more and more, not to his credit, I'm just saying, is signaling he wants an off-ram from my sources inside the White House. And now that's confirmed in the news. But Iran, again, knows they hold the cards, so they're not going to back down. So when the immovable object comes into the unstoppable force, you get an explosion. Michael Young, give us your 35,000-foot view. Right. I don't see any off-ramp. I don't see that happening at all. I mean, obviously, everything as possible, but I'm not seeing the actual route to an off-ramp. This is not meant to have an off-ramp. Actually, when did Israel mention about attacking Mecca and Medina? I didn't see that, but I've

been suspecting that may happen. No, no, no, no. They've had Israeli ministers say we could blow up a bunch of them on TV. They said, we ought to drop a missile on Alaska, you know, where the Second Temple is under it, the rubble when tied is enacted. And they said, we can blow that up and trigger a Shiite city civil war. So I'm just saying it's extrapolating out to Mecca and Medina and Saudi Arabia. Yeah, so that's, okay, this is, you saw the alleged attack from Saudi Arabia and the United States on the pilgrims related to Karbala today, right? Now, there's the opening, there's your entree right there to go ahead and attack Mecca and Medina and blame it on Iran, right? Which is what I've been expecting.

Explain what that means. Explain what that means. Explain what that means people who don't know. You get some Shiites killed. Now that sets the false flag up to claim Iran, hits the holy sites in Saudi Arabia. Right, exactly. And so basically it's sort of Catholics versus Protestants.

Remember, not everybody's a famous geopolitical Green Beret, 30 years, 40 years, you know, running around the planet with armies. So you have to explain this to people. We have a smart audience, but you need to really explain it. Right. So basically, putting it in the Christian terms, it's basically like Catholics versus Protestants, you know, so you're hitting a, basically, you would basically hit the Vatican and hit wherever the, well, Protestants are all over the place,

but, you know, you're basically attacking their holiest spots to get those to fight each other, you know, like has happened before with Catholics. You go up to, you know, Belfast, and they still got a wall between Catholics and Protestants, but it's similar with Muslims with Sunni and Shia, right? Basically, it's a direct equivalent, actually. And so there's been a serious effort to get those guys fighting each other, Sunni versus Shia. But this is part of a larger destruction program, right?

And keeping those guys, you know, there's not a single train in the Middle East, by the way, that crosses borders. I mean, all their, and that was part of an old game to keep these people all separated. But what I think is happening, Alex, is the depopulation that you've talked about many times. Global depopulation is unfolding. And in a service to that, getting rid of that energy over there, getting rid of the fertilizer capacity in those trade routes is very helpful in causing global famine, right? I think more broadly from that area of the world, Middle East, but shooting over to Strait of Malacca, I think that's going to get closed. I think the Turkish Strait's going to get closed.

You know, the Vosforist, Ardnellis, I think you're going to see those clothes, right? At some point, and Dana Strait, I think you're going to see that close. I think you're going to end up seeing attacks on Hamburg at some point. This is big, Alex, you know this. You talked about this stuff for years, and here it comes. And so I think what we're seeing here, that attack apparently on Pilgrims in Iraq today, is part of that, you know, just getting the, rattling the box, getting the Sunni and the Shia to really fight each other madly,

which that could spread to other countries, by the way. That could spread to, of course, you know, like Pakistan and India. I mean, this could spread all over the place. This won't be confined. If you get the Sunni versus Shia fighting on a large scale, these things could unfold in the United States, of course. And let me add two data points to that. Exactly.

Let me have two data points of your expertise on that. I want to bring Rex on his questions. You had Trump two weeks ago saying he may send in Al-Qaeda that we put in charge of Syria when Trump was not even president-elect. It was done by Biden, NATO, with Turkey and Israel. They put the head of al-Qaeda in there. They've exterminated more Christians and more, you know, Alawite Muslims and others. He said we may send in al-Qaeda into Lebanon.

Israel says they're going to take all of Lebanon. They're going to take large parts of Syria, greater Israel. They've uncloked. They admit that mask off to stir people up. how does that tie in now that we see them activating, as you said, the al-Qaeda armies for this? And then how do the Muslims not see through this when it's so transparent? I remember, you know, we exposed on 9-11 now the West was running Israel and the U.S. Al-Qaeda. Now it's all declassified to admit it.

It's crazy how Lindsey Graham, it turned out through USA and the State Department, was their main funder along with John McCain while he claimed he was fighting him. I mean, so this is just nakedly out in the open. They're gearing up. It's already started a massive Muslim civil war that will then lay the way for a greater Israel. This is so cold-blooded and just absolutely disgusting. Right. I mean, they're trying to foment a civil war between the Muslims in service to the Greater Israel Project, and also in service to global famines.

Now, I think they're going to just genocide Lebanon, just the way, I mean, the Zionists are going to, genocide Lebanon just the way that they've genocided Gaza. And again, that's part of the Greater Israel Project. They're going to end up in a fight with obviously going for Egypt and Turkey as well, which is, you know, at some point they may have bitten off. There you go. There's the patch right there, the Greater Israel. It doesn't include the whole map, by the way, if you look down there, the new Somalia

and that sort of thing, you know, near the Bob Al-Mandab, you can see that. That will be another part of this. Their highest, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, is moving people out of out of Somalia into the United States and Europe. But you can see Egypt there as part of the Greater Israel Project. This is why I wonder what their plans. They must have put a lot of consideration into Aswan Dam. Will they destroy Aswan Dam or try to collect it up?

I don't know. What will the Israelis, what will the Zionists do with Aswan Dam? What will they do with Mosul Dam? I think they're going to destroy Mosul Dam. We'll wait and see. But they could destroy. Mosul Dam and then blame it on the Iranians. That would be child's play to do that as well, especially once you get a civil war going. Now, keep in mind, if you blow up Mosul Dam, there you go.

There's Netanyahu holding up the map. But if they blow up Mosul Dam, that will do significant damage to the population of Iraq. And I just think they'll go for it. And also, you know, keep in mind, World War I, the biggest part of World War I, you know, the huge spark that got that going was not Prince Ferdinand, or Archdukeme, Ferdin. It was the Empire. That's right. It was that railway right through Mosul, right? It was that railway that goes right through the Berlin to Baghdad railway that would eventually go to Bosnia, right? And then there's oil terminals down, Abot and K. I've been on those oil terminals. Those are right off. Let me raise this for people. Remember, you're very sophisticated. I'm not saying it's true.

And we have smart lists. A lot of them are following you. Some are because I can barely follow you, and I'm pretty well informed. So you've got to get out of our level here. Wars never really in. They just pause, as you know, and historically, and especially in the modern age. And so all the same things like herpes is coming back to the surface. There's a big flare up here.

and all the same preparations are being made for an even bigger explosion. And so that's where we are is at this jumping off point. And I know you're just done with Trump. You don't even care. It doesn't matter. Like he's a puppet, which I get. But we can put pressure on this administration. I don't think Trump has any idea that he's been set up to take the fall for this giant war

that's already started in the history books. and the people he thought were his buddies are his absolute sworn enemies, as Tucker warned him many times. I mean, it's just, my hope is if Trump could wake the hell up that he's been set up and doesn't keep a degenerate gamble or doubling down,

that somehow he could put the brakes on Israel, cut the money off, the weapons off, make a deal with Iran and pull out of this now. Because the Iranians have to know, yeah, they're winning a strategic, you know, battle now, but if they force us into total war, Israel intends to win this in the end and it tends to make it so bad we've got to send in troops and nukes. It's an insane gamble, but I think the Iranians need to come to their senses and not gamble and make some type of deal with Trump.

Do you think there's any way of that happened? No. I don't see an off-ramp, Alex, because I don't see, that's not the energy in the system that we're seeing. This is, again, as you just mentioned, this is a, I like the, it's like a herpes outbreak. You know, I've been calling it an inflection point, but I may start calling it. at a herpes outbreak. Because this is a long war, and there are outbreaks like the Great War. World War I was an outbreak, actually. This is the same war as World War I, by the way.

This is the same war as World War II. These are all the same war. It's just they have different names and that sort of thing. But this is the exact same war. And it's never ended. And it's not, there's no end in sight that I see, as long as there's human. in that area. And it doesn't matter, by the way, as we mentioned before, it doesn't matter if you take all the people out of there that are there now and replace them with somebody else,

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Take action now. Thank you so much for your support. Corruption. It's Alex Jones. Something occasionally that irritates listeners, you know, and it irritates me too. But you notice when I have a guest on who's covering stuff, I know the general public understands. I have a really good grasp of that. I don't interrupt, sometimes I'll go 10 minutes and the guests will say, are you there? And I'm like, yeah, I'm listening.

Michael Yon has such an incredible grasp of GEO. politics, history, how it's all interconnected, real war theory. And I've read hundreds of books on this myself. You know, it's way more than I do, that I know, am I being insulting? Some of it was going over my head. I know, slow down, slow down. And then he started elaborating. World War I was just a continuation of the old empire's war.

World War II was that. This is mainline history. We get to Ph.D. level. Just like Ukraine was the Catholics split in the West and the East. the Orthodox, and that was where a lot of the main battles happened in the main gateway for Barbarossa in 42 into Russia. That's why it's so important to Russia. So it's continuation. That's why the Azav Italian are the grandkids of the Nazis. It's why all these ministers and people are the grandkids of Nazis. They are Nazis when the Russians say that. And then you

have the standing ovation a few years ago of the SS officer that on record actually did massacre people, thousands of time throwing them in graves, Poles and Ukrainians. And they said, he fought the Russians in World War II and they all get up and clap. Now, they couldn't all be that ignorant the Canadian Parliament that the Russians were on our side in World War II. No, they are saying, we are for the Nazis, we are for that. And now you have Laura Lumer, I'm not even attacking her. It just shows, I think, her own ignorance or whatever's going on. She meets with the founder and the head of the Azabatat. We'll put the shot on screen and says, he's not a Nazi. Look, I'm Jewish. He didn't hurt me. Well, his leader is Jewish. Zelensky. Zolenski, four years ago, got, hey, you got a lot of

Nazis in the Azabatalion. He said they're Ukrainians too. So it's not debatable. It's not like he's a dragon going to eat you because you're Jewish. The point is he is a not the Nazi contingent. They do blood and soil, howl Hitler stuff. They do all the rituals, all the torchlit things at night. They admit that. They have the same insignia of the Ukrainian Nazis in World War II. That is not debated. That is a fact. And so, and I'm only showing this to show the continuation of history and how Laura Lumer is so over the top of their gaslighting, or maybe she's just this ignorant, but she's over there saying, look, he's not a Nazi, he's nice, I'm Jewish, he's being friendly to me, this is next level insanity. Here's a clip of the SS officer, almost 100 years old,

getting a standing ovation. Then the Russians, one of them extradited as a Nazi work criminal. They said, no, und debated Nazi, Simon Wies involved in the hunt-down real Nazis, Klaus Barbie, the angel of death, Dr. Mingela, they were all allowed to live in South America. We got thousands and thousands, 36,000 Nazis over here to run all over programs in the World War II, Operation Paperclip. And I'm not saying it's a Nazi conspiracy.

I'm saying they were brought in to the globalist system because of their understanding of the Russian networks and fighting that. And then she's over there not, I think she's just ignorant, literally saying this guy's on a Nazi, when our own State Department says they are Nazis and that that's a part of their main army. Here's the clip, just for historical context, of the SS officer,

being given a standing ovation. Zelensky's speech received at least a dozen standing ovations. There was also one for this man, a 98-year-old Ukrainian Canadian who fought for Ukrainian independence against the Russians during the Second World War. The origin of this invite is one of the many unanswered mysteries pertaining to Nazi gate. Apparently it was the Hunkah family that reached out to Mr. Rota, suggesting that it would make for a whiz-bang photo op to have Hanka Senior lauded in the House of Commons when Zelensky dropped by for a fundraiser, or I mean a visit.

Did the Hanka family not consider that in this day and age of the internet, people might do a little investigating on the Googler machine and dredge up some really embarrassing details? Not that the mainstream media could be bothered to do so last week, mind you. It was my beloved big boss man, Ezra Levant, that got the Nazi gate ball rolling last weekend by simply doing some basic mathematics, which is to say if someone is fighting against the Russians prior to May 8, 1945, that means you were on the wrong side of history. Now, it's important as he was an SS officer who did take part in documents. minute, mass machine gunnings and throwing people into mass graves. Where Zelensky's gone and put plaques up for the dead? This is unbelievable. A true died-in-the-wool, thoroughbred Nazi,

standing ovation because he fought the Russians in World War II. That's how stupid they think we are. Now, getting back to Michael Yon, I'm going to turn the baton over to him and Rex to get into all of this. When Joe Kent comes on, Rex, please ask him about off-ramps. He's been trying to get off-ramps. I know Yon's saying there's too much kinetic energy like a hurricane. This is going down. I agree with that overall, but we've still got to pull out of this at some point. So we'll be looking at all of that. But getting back to this being continuation, Lawrence of Arabia, World War I, the drawing of the maps, the creating of the modern Middle East, Israel wants to implode that, bring in a greater Israel. They want us to fight

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They don't know the Korea never ended. It's officially still a war. They don't understand the real geopolitical stuff. We're not put people down. Our audience is very sophisticated, but even the sophisticated ones would have trouble following you because it's at a PhD level. Please Michael Young continue on. And now Rex Jones enters the situation here as the co-host, Rex Jones. Yeah, thanks, Dad. What you're talking about is Sykes Pico, right? It's all these lines that Britain and the U.S. drew to, you know, decide who was going to be

where and who was going to run what. And essentially what we did with Saudi Arabia is we gave a certain Bedouin tribe, you know, authority over the money and the country and the property and everything there. And as long as they agreed to abide by our system, everything was all good. Now we're seeing that kind to fall apart or seeing the enforcement of that old system fail from the West. Michael Jan, you talk about human asthmotic or osmotic pressure a lot, right? That would be the mass migration caused by conflicts like this. I was seeing footage out of Spain this morning. That was truly horrific.

I guess there's a mass migrant wave coming from Morocco. Now, this may be unrelated. I don't think it's unrelated to what's happening in the Middle East as a whole. This is the type of thing at large for many countries that's going to result as it's going result as a consequence of us being involved in this conflict. What do you think of that? Right. I mean, some were coming through Suta, right? That's, I think, Suta right there. I went down to Suta, actually, with Chuck Holtan. We went to, actually, we went to the Morocco side of it. Suta and Malia, those are two Spanish cities in Morocco. So two Spanish EU cities are actually in Africa, right?

So if you get into those cities, you're actually in the EU. And so we went up. up there to the, anyway, there's a wall around those cities, but, but, and there was huge amounts of, of aliens camped outside of Suta when we went there. Fascinating. You mentioned, uh, uh, T.E. Lawrence, by the way, or, or, or Alex did. Yes. It's interesting. Here's, I just happened to be, I was looking at this last night, seven pillars of wisdom. T.E. Lawrence, this is a really incredible book, by the way. I was just looking at it last night. And he just happened to mention it. But, you know, when you're, when you're, when you're looking at what's on here. When we look at the Nazis that we were just talking about, the Nazis and the Zionists have

been working together closely for a long time. They're that tight together, right? The Nazis, the Nazis were trying to get Jews out of Germany, and the Zionists were trying to get Jews into Israel. And so the Zionists were killing a lot of Jews. There, a lot of Zionists actually are Jews, obviously. But so the Zionists and Jews who are not Zionists have been killing each other for more than a century. And this is well documented. I've got a book here somewhere, I added out a couple of days ago. But it's about how

the Zionist and the Nazis cooperated, right? Actually, this book is written by a Jewish author. But the fact is, a lot of the Zionists and the Nazis moved down to Argentina, where they're at now. In fact, I was doing these meetings every once a week

for a while when we were down there, and they were in the old Nazi old Nazi embassy, and this is a bunch of Jewish guys going to the meeting. There it is. Yeah, I've got that book. It's quite fascinating. But, you know, it's clear that the Zionists down in Argentina are working to gin up a war with Brazil, and that's in service to the larger war, the same war that we keep talking about in the Middle East. It's all the same war. And so, but again, the Zionists and the Nazis, they work hand and glove, the idea that they they don't is completely false.

Yeah, I totally agree. I see this all as already a world war. There are people that deny it's even a regional war. They'll call it a conflict. They'll say, you know, it's what is Trump said? It's a detour. You know, we've got to take a detour. It's an excursion.

Obviously, we're talking about not just our lack of munitions now. I've expended nearly all of our defense and a lot of our offensive capability, but also just the cost of American lives. You know, I've heard this argument from a few people. They say, well, you know, we lose more American soldiers in training exercises and accidents. We've only lost 18 men and women in this conflict so far. Michael Yon, you're a combat veteran, military man. What do you say to that?

Well, this is just the beginning. I think we're going to see a draft, and I think they're going to work to kill off our people and then draft people into our military that will be able to do genocide at home. That's clearly the direction that this is going. This is much more than, you know, a few little firefights or missiles going back and forth. This is a massive war. And like your father said, Alex, this is like a herpes outbreak. It's part of the same old war, but it's a, I call them inflection points, but I might start calling them a herpes outbreaks.

But, I mean, you know, it can be quite significant, though. And in this case, I'm guessing they'll end up being built. millions dead from famines and whatnot. When the famines really start, you can see we're heading that direction. If and when they start, the so-called migration, the weaponized migration, the human osmotic pressure, that push and the pull of migration will be intense, right? So places like Suta and Malia, well, they'll just be overran, and Spain is being overrun now. Of course, you know, the scientists hate Spain, and they're very open about hating

Ireland and some of the other places, and they threaten them often with doing exactly what's doing. They invade them with so-called migrants to Camp of the Saints style actually destroy all of Europe and the United States. Keep in mind, the Israelis are helping people invade the United States, and they openly do this. Highest, Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society brings in huge numbers. They've got an office down in Darien Gap. got a building right next to China camp. I mean, I've been there many times, like 100. I mean, all the time.

And, you know, I took Congressman down. I took Laura Lumber down there. Actually, Laura Lumer was at the highest building, right? She was actually there. And actually, she talked, I have video of Laura talking with an Iranian. And it's on video. I published it before several times. Ann Vandersteel was there.

I made video. She was talking with an Iranian that, highest was helping that Iranian get to the United States. And that guy looked as, I mean, he looked like he's a serious guy. He shouldn't see the video. I can send it to you. But yeah. And so, you know, highest is helping Iranians invade the United States, not just Iranians. They're helping Chinese. They're helping Bangladesh. And people from about 150 countries. Because it's about, it's about the collapse of the West. It's about importing whatever third world population, various populations. The goal is not to have something homogenous. It's to have as many different

factions and groups as possible to cause chaos. I think this is very obvious. But never for them. Never for them. They don't have to take any migrants. They don't have to, you know, deal with the Palestinians and give them a state. They just say, hey, we're going to kill them all, genocide them all, and then you're going to take the refugees. I think this is quite shocking language as well. I hear this all the time from people over there. Somehow it's our responsibility. And I would say it is because we help kill the people over there. Michael, what do you think about just the expansion of the war? Saudi Arabia joins the U.S. and strikes on Iran-backed militias in Iraq.

I'm sure you saw this story. What's your take on what's happening there? That's in service to getting a big war going between Sunni and Shia. Keep in mind, that can be global. That can unfold. You know, when the United States formed a lot of, you know, the battles that we were having in the United States were, you know, imported, right? They were imported from Europe. That was part of a world war.

I mean, our revolution was actually part of a larger world war. Again, we have two wars that we call World Wars, but there's been many, many wars that were actually, I mean, the whole thing is not these inflection points, let's say, they're components of a global war that's been going on for 500 years, a good 400 years, certainly since, you know, roughly around 1,500. You know, the Treaty of Tortacius, But the Pope brokered between Spain and Portugal in 1494, that was, you might say, the beginning of maritime world war, right, where it was really starting to get big, where the Pope divided the world into two between.

This is the Portuguese side. That's why Brazil speaks Portuguese today. And then on the, you know, the Spanish side on the other side of that line. And then about 30 years later came up with the Treaty of Saragosa, which is another line, which, you know, But Japan on the Portuguese side, I'm in Japan now. Right? So that's why the Japanese ended up down in Nagasaki, and they brought in their craziness, and the Japanese chopped them up with swords and said, get out of here. But they let the, they called them non-bond, southern barbarians.

But then later, that's what the Japanese called the Portuguese, but then later the Dutch came and did not push religion. They just did trade, and they were allowed to stay. But that's part of the same war is what I'm going to do. There's no difference in these, the sensual. after century, it's just there are inflection points. And the parties sometimes change. Like the Dutch East India Company is no longer a major player.

The British East India Company is no longer a major player. Right. Things evolve and mature over time. Right. So different crabs go into the hermit crab shells, right? Yeah, 100%. Okay, so like what's the U.S. military's next goal objective with the gradual expansion of the regional war?

Like what do you see the next two to four weeks as being? Are we going to see more of a stalemate, more of the tit for tat? Because we're kind of ending like the second phase of the conflict. The first phase, the initial 39 days of the war, like the full kinetic engagement, the full wrath of America, whatever you want to say. Then we enter into this kind of MOU era where six weeks ago, Uncle Trump, Trump comes out at the G7 and says, we're almost out of oil, we can't do this, we got to figure something out. And then all the treaty of Versailles, he ends up signing the M.

you, right? And that didn't end up panning out. We've kind of returned to the tip for tat. Now we see that expanding with the strikes that Saudi Arabia is joining us in doing on Iran-backed militias in Iraq. And they say that's in response to Yemen's Houthis helping the Iraqi-backed militias. Michael Yan, what happens next? Just continue to explode. You know, as you and Alex were talking, your father were talking about earlier, our eyes have been taken out over there with the radars, right? mentioned the cost of some of those radars and they're gone. And so, you know, they're they have to put AWACs and other assets up there to even get an idea what's going on.

But our bases have been pushed back, you know, like headquarters at Bahrain's been destroyed. You know, Fifth Fleet, I've been in that headquarters, actually. The Secretary of Defense picked me up in Afghanistan and brought me over there, introduced me to the Admiral in charge. Admiral Gordon, he was his name. Secretary of Defense was Robert. gates at the time. You know, I'd fly around with them sometimes and see things. But that's gone now. I mean, that headquarters is, you know, it's, I mean, so our bases have been pushed back. Iran is actually doing swimmingly, swimmingly in this, right? They could emerge from this as a world power, actually. And they know that. Well, that's the key, because all they have to do is

control the straight. We have to implement regime change. This is a regime change war. And denying that on our side is incredibly dishonest. And that's the main thing that grinds my gears about the conflict. They literally told us on day one what this was about before day one. This has been Netanyahu's plan for 35 plus years. And the denial of, oh, now it's just we're going to control the straight. We're going to charge a fee so they don't charge a fee. It's better when we do it.

We're ultimately not going to be able to implement any of that unless we take the country over. My thing is, how does that happen? Because everything I hear from the various geopolitical experts, including yourself, is that the military is depleted, the munitions are depleted, the bases are destroyed, the radar is out of commission. What does America do if Trump does decide, which it looks like he has, in my opinion, to stay involved in the conflict? Because we can say, like, it's all falling apart, but can it all fall apart forever?

Can this happen for a whole other year? What's the timeline there? Trump doesn't run this war. I mean, you know, the fight has been started and it's game on. It's out of his control. It's just out of its control. He can talk a big game. I think from here it's going to spread.

I think eventually Malacca is highly threatened. And straight of Malacca, I think, again, even Danish straight up there, and that's very important. The Turkish straits, of course, Bosforis, Dardanelles, Suez itself, Gibraltar, Panama, of course. I mean, all of these places are, this is not about some local thing in the Middle East. which is huge. This is about global depopulation. This is much, much bigger than, this can't be understood without looking at the macro view. Actually, on the macro view, things get more simple.

They don't get more complex. Things are far more complex on the tactical level and the strategic level. But when you go to grand strategy, which is more of what I talk about, it gets actually weirdly simpler. And for instance, that's how I was able to predict straight of Hormuz would be closed. in last year, last July, I published it on my substack, right? And many times I mentioned this and even predicted the date of the attack very accurately, you know, on my substack. And so what I'm getting to is this is global.

It's been going on for a long time. There is a clear push to keep in mind that the war has so many aspects to it. For instance, knocking the farmers off of their farms, fishermen out of their boats, screw worms coming back, Nord Stream blown up, groaning and closed, groaning in gas field, the biggest gas field in Europe, right? And so many things, there's so many components to this, fertilizer plants burning down. No, that's the key. That's the key, because why would the EU be spoiling for a war when they've destroyed their own domestic energy and manufacturing capability? It makes absolutely no sense, right?

You're dooming yourself, literally, and you can say, we're doing the same thing to a lesser extent. you're talking about Europe, what's this gas field that's closed? Growning, it's in Netherlands. Misako and I've been up there, and it's closed. I mean, when I was saying that I think I may have been on Jordan Peterson's show or somewhere, I said that, you know, I think that they may close at Groening and Gasfield. Many people got upset. They're like, they're never going to close Growning and Gasfield.

It's the biggest gas field in Europe. And I'm like, hello. You know, that's why Nord Stream got blown. up, which we also successfully predicted, not just predicted. We were over, I had bought an iPad just to track Nord Stream flows. It was just a dedicated iPad because it was a website that showed how many cubic meters per second we're going through. So Nord Stream is, Groening and is closed.

And when you add all these things that, they're putting these ridiculous windmills all over the place, right, which is all part of the fight, taking farmers off of their farms. In Netherlands, they use the excuse of nitrogen. They're saying there's too much nitrogen, but you just cross the border over to Germany, because, you know, Netherlands and Germany share a border, and you go into Germany, and they don't talk about nitrogen anymore. They talk about carbon dioxide. You should see those windmills over in Netherlands. They're unbelievable, especially the ones that are out in the North Sea. Now, keep in mind, speaking of the North Sea, eventually there'll be a big fight over the North Sea.

I'm not sure how that'll play out, but the North Sea, when it comes to routes and resources, the North Sea is, you know, it's a king daddy, right? There's been, A lot of war over the North Seas in the past, and it's almost a sure bet that there'll eventually be wars up there again. And again, that would include Russia, obviously, and others. 100%. But why would they do this? You mentioned. This is important.

The leadership, so-called leadership that's been installed, they're just a bunch of robots, including here in Japan, including across the United States. in many of the countries that I go to, the people that have been installed, they seem to think that they're on a mission from God, and they're going to have a seat on Noah's Ark, right? They're going to have a seat. But here's a newsflash. A lot of these people took the death jab, right? And a lot of these people, if you took the death jab, there is no seat reserved for you on the

ark. I don't care if you work for Black Rock, which many of those executives actually took the jab. If you took the jab, you're not one of the chosen people, period, right? And so that includes royal families and many others. But they seem to think that they're part of the ark or they're going to be on the arc, but they're not going to be. But a lot of these Europeans that are just turning out the lights on Europe and Americans turn out the lights on America and other countries like Australia doing it and here in Japan, you know, the leadership. Powerful stuff. Thank you so much.

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Since the last time we talked, Joe, we've lost four additional Americans. American service members that we know about their names, Tyler, Sarah, Angel, and Michael all now deceased in a war of choice, ultimately manufactured by another country. Joe, where do things stand today? Hold on I don't have audio. Oh, they say that you're muted, perhaps on your end. We will get right back into it. I'm going to read the update again so that you guys know Yemen. Yemen's Houthis are attacking Saudi Arabia from Iraq. sources say what that has led to is a Saudi Arabian strike in joint with the Uyman. United States of America on Iran-back militias in Iraq. Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have carried out strikes against Iran-back militias in Iraq in a potential escalation, definite escalation in the Middle East conflict. CENTCOM says the strikes were against Iran-aligned terrorists that the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps directed to attack U.S. forces in Saudi energy infrastructure. Iraq's paramilitary PMF force, which is dominated by Iran-backed Shia militias,

said at least 20 of its members had been killed in U.S. Saudi strikes on its base. What this is just the escalation of the regional war. This is why from day one I have maintained this has to stop immediately. This is why Joe has said the literal exact same thing because this is a war of choice. The only choice that we have now is to get out of the region. We have to pull our troops. We have to pull our bases and we have to take our people home because not only does this not make sense. Not only can we not win, the troops are not defensible.

They are in metal sheds, not bunkers, they don't have bunkers, same quality the Israelis have, and they are getting blown up and they are. dying and it's not just the troops that are dying. There are over 500 casualties. We will not know the true reality of this for months, if not years to come, probably years. And this is all for one very specific reason. They do not want you to know how bad it is because if you knew how bad it was, you would openly, peacefully, politically, rise up against it and demand a change. And this is why, from day one, I have maintained the same thing that Joe maintains. We must declare victory and go home. This is why it made zero sense to me with Operation Midnight Hand.

Operation Midnight Hammer broke my heart because you have a situation where we're, all right, we have Joe Kent joining us back live. I did my best there to kill a little bit of time. I do want to ask you, though, what's the state of things July 30th, 2026 as they stand? Unfortunately, we're not in a good position at all. I would say even worse than the last time that we spoke. Like you said, we tragically lost some soldiers. We did our round of retaliation strikes that lasted for quite some time. There was back and forth between us and the Iranians.

And then we attempted this, you know, I think it's sort of an effort to have a ceasefire so we could get more space for the negotiations. But the Iranians basically said that they're not playing that. And they just restarted the hostilities by launching, you know, some cruise missiles back at one of our bases in Jordan. Since then, we did retaliatory strikes against one of the Iranian-backed militias inside Iraq. But there's some technical issues we can get into there. That is part of the Iraqi popular mobile assistance. forces that is part of the Iraqi military. So now we're doing strikes against basically the guys

whose paychecks that we're paying inside of Iraq. Now those guys, allegedly, they did take some strikes against Saudi, hit a couple of the different oil fields there. The Houthis said, no, that wasn't them. That was actually us. The Houthis also hit some of the oil fields. We have the Houthis that are even more active now in shutting down the Baba Mandib. The Straits of Hormuz continues to be strangled by the Iranians. So we're in a tough spot. I mean, President Trump has very limited options. unfortunately. His best hands still remains just to, I would say, to walk away from this whole thing and do the best they can here domestically to declare victory. But he's not doing that. And I fear that

he's not doing that. And I fear that he is going to escalate this because now that the Iranians have hit us once more, the Iranians aren't giving him what he needs. President Trump feels like he needs a piece of paper, some kind of a formal agreement that says, you know, Iran's going to give him something so that he can say that he got a deal. I think the Iranians are aware of this and they are not going to give him a deal. So right now Iran has the upper hand and whether or not Iran chooses to like kind of go for broke and to try and get us sucked into a larger conflict or they just keep us, you know, strangled economically. That's kind of where things stand right now. Powerful. Stay with us.

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The answer to 1984 is 1776. You're listening to the Alex Jones Show. Yeah, we ain't doing no Hasbara here today. It's the real news, the real information, the real guests that can deliver. It all. We just had the powerful Michael yawn on for the prior hour. We have Joe Kent joining us now again here in the third hour with Andrew Wilson coming up. Joe, how are you doing today with all of the news? You know, I'm doing well. Again, like I said, I wish we had a silver lining that we could put on this. Just unfortunately, we're just in a really in a bad position. I hope President Trump, and I pray for him to get some clarity in all this and just realize that he's getting bad advice from a lot of the people who encouraged him to get into this war. He tunes them out. And he just says, hey, I'm going to come. I'm going to bring the troops home.

I think he should look at, you know, the long arc of history, we've gotten out of other wars, and temporarily it's been bad for presidents. But in the long run, when we got out of the wars, it ended up being the right thing to do, you know, for a president. So I think if any president could sell this, it would, you know, could potentially be President Trump. Unfortunately, I just have not seen him behave in a way that makes any sense to me recently. So I do fear that we're going to continue this escalation cycle. Yeah, the question for me today is, like, how are we going to acknowledge the reality?

when is reality going to come knocking on the door because everything we talked about, we've talked about for weeks, months at this point, a lot of people have, all the geopolitical analysts have, we're running low on munitions, the bases are heavily destroyed, the radars are out of commission, we've had a number of destroyed aircraft. I think the number is over 40 that have been taken out of commission. If we're going to stay in kind of the second phase of the war, and I'd define the first phase of the war as the 39 days of hell, the unleashing of the American military, the bombings over and over and over again. This second phase, this tip for tat, Joe, in your experience,

or just what does your experience tell you about how much longer we can eke out this tip for tat thing before Trump either has to make major decision, ground invasion, whatever that would mean perhaps further strikes or does he back off? What do you think? I think he's going to have to make a decision here pretty quickly. And we even heard President Trump say this himself when the MOU first came out and President Trump was justifying why he was going to give the MOU a chance. He said, hey, we were about four weeks away from economic bedlam. And so basically the predictions by a lot of the different oil experts say that we're going to hit a major crisis,

not just here in the states, but globally in terms of not just oil, not just gas, but things like fertilizer production, et cetera, you know, here by the end of the summer, fall, winter time frame. So he doesn't have that long, especially with the tight shot clock of the midterms approaching. So time is not on President Trump. side, the Iranians know that. And so for the Iranians to continue to do what they're doing right now, it's very advantageous for them. And so I think that they are more than content to sit back and say, there's no way we're going to give President Trump the deal that he wants. He killed our Supreme

Leader. He brought all this upon us. We have to, basically for the sake of deterrence, but then also for vengeance, we have to bloody his nose. And I think the debate within Iran is how do they bloody his nose? Do they do it all at once? Or do they sit back and let the economics and all the different wars are getting lit on fire and just the expansion of the war, the way that Zelensky and others are trying to combine these two fronts, like thinking that that's somehow going to help us, that does not help us out at all. And I think the Iranians realize that. So short of President Trump realizing his best move is just to walk away, I do fear that here pretty soon,

he's going to have to make another, you know, decision. Does he get us further into this? I saw reports, you know, on Twitter. I don't know if they're accurate or not. But this is, this sounds right to me that the Pentagon is saying, hey boss, we can do another 10 to 15 days of heavy bombing, and that will take out all of Iran's missile capabilities. I really hope he doesn't even entertain that at this point because the Iranians have shown that they have a very durable system that has been dispersed. That's hard for us to vector in on.

So where would we be in the next 10 to 14 days? I think that's how you end up with something like a ground incursion because President Trump's just going to get frustrated with the lack of results from this air campaign. And then I think, you know, at a bad moment where he's, you know, mad and wants to get something done, he signs off on some sort of a ground invasion of either one of the islands or, you know, Vondra-Boss, the port there that we've been kind of doing some shaping operations around through our air campaign. That's truly what I fear, because his options are just really limited right now. The idea that he's going to be able to, you know, choke them off economically. You know, I saw a lot of like happy, you know, happy talk about how the economic warfare that were waging against Iran,

you know, that's going to be the final nail in the coffin. It's like, look, these guys have been under some form of heavy sanction since 1979. There's not much more that we can do to them. And as a matter of fact, the dollar's even weaker because of everything we did in Ukraine. And there's just all these alternative workarounds for them to sell their oil on the market right now. So, again, the Iranians know they have time on their side. And I think they know that they have more options than we do, regardless of, you know, how we want to beat our chest here in America. Right.

I just think the West has made too many, like, key assumptions, they would say in, like, intelligence gathering. right we've made too many key assumptions oh like they're about to fall we're about to beat them they're about to be out of missiles and the reality is i think it's demonstrated our intelligence on the ground has not been good enough it really hasn't been because they've had the ability to continue the missile strikes the drone strikes trump can say it's obliterated it's gone but there's a reality that our ships are parked very far off the coast in the blockade because if we got any closer they'd be under severe threat and there can be a debate where those are chinese anti-ship missiles where the iranians might have those reality is they have a wind condition called the Strait of Hormuz. We don't really have a wind condition besides taking over their country. And I think it's key, you mentioned earlier, are key allies, our strongest allies, Zelensky and Netanyahu visiting for the state funeral of Lindsey Graham. I guess he was literally in the rotunda. And while they're there, Netanyahu makes a statement or Porter asks him, are like, are there any cracks in the relationship between you and Trump? He says, no, it's as strong as a wall of granite, which is just to

me, it's pretty terrifying because if it's as strong as a wall of granite, it sounds like he's probably going to get what he wants. And then Zelensky comes over here and kind of makes the same implied threat that made Trump outraged when he visited and sat down Trump and J.D., which is, you have big ocean. You don't feel pain now, but you'll feel pain later. So all these vague threats, built threats, it's simply put, both Netanyahu and Zelensky need a wider conflict in order to stay in power. This is just a reality. Zolensky is a dictator. They don't have elections there anymore. He openly says, we don't have it's his wartime. We don't have an election. But in the Constitution it states, they have to have it even during wartime. Netanyahu, of course,

wanted by his own government, not just the ICJ, wanted by Israel for crimes. They will not be able to prosecute him as long as he remains in power. Just how do you see kind of this new really axis of evil forming, man? I don't want to be a part of it. I don't either. And look, there's no advantage to America for being a part of any of these conflicts. I have yet to see any of the hawks, any of the foundation for the defensive democracy, neocons, or people who are just cheerleading this war or the Ukraine war, explain what is actually in it for the American people. And explain it in a very, very clear and concise way that makes sense to your average American. If you say that we have to like, you know, win over the Dombas, otherwise Putin is going to roll into Paris by Christmas and then he'll be in New York City, you know, by New Year's.

It just doesn't make any sense. That's nonsense. This war has been going on now. It's been a bloodbath for well over, you know, we're coming up on our third year. So, you know, the whole thing there is just completely and totally ridiculous. We've wasted our munitions. We're now provoking essentially a nuclear war. It's already a heavy economic war with the Russians.

This has weakened the dollar. It's put us further in debt. So there's no benefit for the American people. And now Zelensky, because he knows that he can kind of expand his war that was, you know, kind of out of the spotlight for a while and not really popular for Republicans in general. Now he can try and wrap it into the Iran War that, although that war is not popular here either, he sees it as getting more attention. And rightfully so, it's getting more attention than his war.

So he's trying to now link them. And so are a lot of the neocon backers. And again, for the neocons that say go in there and finish the job, number one, they can't define what finishing the job in Iran actually means because most of them have never served today. Or they just want us to involve in this thing endlessly, and they won't just come out and say it. So they like that slogan a lot more. No, that's key. That's key.

They say they'll even say they're anti-war. They'll say, hey, hey, but it's not a war yet. Joe, in your experience, you've done like 11 or 12 combat deployments, of course, special forces operator. What does that mean when you hear that? What do you think? What do you say? I mean, I've always said, like, please explain to me how that works. If you say finish the job, come up with a plan, tell me how that works.

Number one, how we're going to do it and what it accomplishes at the end, even if these guys got what they wanted, if the entire regime fell today inside of Iran, That would be an absolute disaster. And I don't say it as a fan of the revolutionary Islamic Republican Guard inside of Iran. I say that just in terms of just the facts on the ground. You have a country of 90 million people, multiple different ethnic groups, awash with weapons in war right now. If that government did fall, it would be Libya on steroids that's directly connected to Europe. You'd have massive migration issues.

You have blowback terrorism issues. It would be an absolute nightmare and a disaster. So none of this is very well thought through. The Israelis have thought this through and the Israelis have deployed their very, very powerful lobby here in America to make the case that we need to continue to try to destabilize and put Iran into a state of chaos because the Israelis actually thrive in chaos. They think as long as their rivals and their enemies are in a chaotic state, then they can't consolidate power and they can't come pose a threat to them.

That's Israeli doctrine. That's not American doctrine. We're very much against that. And again, this all goes back to just the fundamental question. Like, if any of this happens, what is in it for the United States of America? We heard the whole nonsense in the Iraq war, like, oh, it's going to be a great deal for America. We're going to get the oil. Like, none of that ever happened.

Trump's trying to make that happen right now, kind of, but based on what's taking place, the way that the war has now expanded into Iraq and just Iraqi domestic politics, I don't think that's going to happen there either. But none of this benefits the American people. And this is at a time when most people have a hard time filling up a full tank of gas and paying for groceries. So this war is not in our best interest. Expanding the war is not in our best interest. And for the president to think about anything else and to listen to people that are explaining to him, like all these complicated plans for how we finish the job and how this is really some sort of a checkmate on China,

et cetera, he needs to tune those people out and he needs to listen to Donald Trump in 2016 when he spoke plainly and clearly about what was in the best interest for the American people. And he starts thinking that way. I think he could still save this entire situation, but I fear he's not. Yeah, when you love somebody and they're drinking themselves to death, you tell them to stop drinking. You don't tell them their liver as magical powers and they can fly to the moon. And that's kind of the situation that I think that we're in now. And here's the thing.

People, he himself, Trump has come after us and attacked us personally. It's called my father, fried and low IQ, among other things. The reality is, do you want people to tell you the truth or do you want people to lie to you? And ultimately, they can lie to you, it can feel good, it doesn't feel good to the families of the American soldiers that die overseas. And there is no explanation. There is no proof that you can give to say, oh, well, it is what it is.

It's a war of choice. The straight wasn't closed before February 28. There weren't missiles flying back and forth. We initiated that and we got to pull out now. I think this is also key. I want to bring it up. I just want to get your take on it because it seems to be unclear,

but maybe you've heard more. Of course, I have way better sources than I could hope to have. Egypt downplays drone strike as fears grow for Suez Canal. It was reported last night, this is July 30th, this is written, that an explosion occurred aboard two gas tankers at the port. Reuters said this is a drone attack.

Well, in New York Times this morning quoted two Iranian officials who said the strike was intended to demonstrate that if Iran chooses to escalate the situation, this is key, global energy supplies and shipping could be hit much harder. So now we've got one choke point, Stradle-Hormuz, two choke points, Strait of Hormuz, Bobbam and Deb. now three potentially with the Suez Canal. Joe, what's your take on this? Yeah, and this is another case where it's very easy for the Iranians to inflict a lot of pain with very little resources. The Iranians have geography working out in their advantage.

Obviously, the Strait of Hormuz is in their backyard. They have powerful allies. They've invested in with the Houthis and the Babo Mandib. And so now, in powerful allies in Iran, powerful allies of Hezbollah. So right now, in order to basically continue to frustrate and choke off the supply of energy to the world, they just need to keep up the pressure in the Straits of Formoos, which is actually fairly simple for them to do with drones and ballistic missiles. Bab al-Mandib, they've got their friends, the Houthis that are doing that right now.

And then pushing out into the Suez Canal, it's just a matter of them either launching from their home soil, which they're more than capable of doing, or having the Houthis do it for them, or having the Iraqi militias do it for them, or having Hesbla do it for them. So what the Iranians are trying to do right now, I think, is two things. They're trying to chip away at the supply of world energy because that's going to hurt all the countries that are supporting the coalition that's supporting us against them. But also, they are trying to fragment our relationship with all the different Sunni Arab states there in the Middle East. They're trying to basically say it's not worth your while to be directly tied to the Americans. If you were directly tied to the Americans, we are going to inflict pain upon you.

And right now what's taking place in Iraq, we're seeing that in a very big way. Iraq is ran by the Shia majority there, many of whom have close ties to the Iranian government. The Iraqis are caught in between. You know, Zadhi, the prime minister was in Washington, D.C., meaning of President Trump, and then he went to Tehran. So he's very much trying to, you know, make sure his country doesn't get dragged and sucked into this. the Iranians had their proxies, start doing strikes into Saudi Arabia, knowing that we would respond. So us and the Saudis then responded.

And so now you have Americans and Saudis, Sunni Saudis, killing Shia militiamen in Iraq. So that's another way that they can start chipping away at the alliance that we have with Iraq. There's a lot of other dynamics there at play. But basically the Iranians are trying to inflict a cost on all of our allies within the region. And if you look at Kuwait, if you look at Bahrain, you look at to a certain extent Qatar as well, a lot of the countries that have been very closely aligned with us, Jordan most recently,

the countries that have been the most closely aligned with us are starting to feel a lot of pain, and they're going to start feeling a lot of internal pressure. Their leaders are from their people, from their parliaments, to say, hey, maybe we need to tell the Americans, like, hey, we love you, but you can't base here, and he most certainly can't launch attacks here against Iran, because it's really just not worth it anymore for us,

because if they keep hitting along the Red Sea, they keep hitting the Suez Canal, or even just occasionally doing it, that frustrates that shipping and makes the insurance premium shoot up, that takes away a good deal of the money that the Egyptians received because the Egyptians, they basically have tourism, they have some energy, but the Suez Canal is a huge moneymaker for them. They're going to start losing money because of what the Houthis are doing

further south down the Red Sea, but an occasional drone or an occasional attack on any of those ports on the med side, that's going to take away a lot of the Egyptian government's revenue as well. So this is the Iranian strategy, and they don't need a lot of resources basically to continue to inflict pain upon us. This is where time is very much on the Iranian side, and it's not on our side at all. Right. Let's just look out because months, years plus into the future, ultimately people that support these operations, if you ask them, you say, hey, point to a calendar for me if you could.

What day is this going to end, you know, whereabouts? And, you know, just telling me like the gradual recovery of the oil market, the fertilizer, all the supplies and goods that flow through these vital waterways that are choked off. you know, how long it's going to take us to rebuild our bases, rebuild our capability in the region, with the radar and all of that. And they're not going to be able to give you a timeline because their position is it has to continue forever. Like, that's what they have to defend, right? If you're defending the operations right now, you have to say that we're able to do this in the region forever. I think it was demonstrated before this happened, just by the will of the American people, Trump winning a referendum against the Iraq war in 2016, that Americans were done with this sunk cost fallacy. It's like the last day I was in the casino at Vegas.

I was staying at a hotel. Jake Shields put me in. I had like 300 bucks. I was like, I didn't gamble the whole time I was here. And then I lost all the money. But you don't stay in the casino and go back over and over and over again and take a mortgage out on your house because, you know, this time the lucky Chinese dragon is going to spin on the wheel and give you what you want. It just doesn't work that way. What do you say about kind of the sunk cost policy all this?

I mean, that's what this is. And this should have been our lesson, the lesson that we learned from the lesson that we learned from. the war on terror, but then, you know, also the lesson we should have learned from the Vietnam war is that, like, it doesn't get better if you keep gambling. You can't drink yourself sober, whatever analogy you want to use, the fact that you have invested a ton of resources, a ton of lives into a certain problem, if you're not getting the result that you want, that doesn't mean you double down. That does not mean that more resources, more bombing campaigns, more troops, another surge, finishing the job, air quotes. Like, none of that is going to work. We have enough data

to support that. Now, the case can be made, do we try something different? I would even say the way that we're fighting this war right now, if I was in support of us fighting this war and us actually going after and taking down the Iranian regime, I would basically have the same advice that I have right now. We should get out of the region. Why are we running low on interceptors? If those reports are true, I don't know. But if we're running low on interceptors, that's because we've been firing a exorbitant amount of interceptors trying to defend bases that are getting hammered, bases that we can't put soldiers at anymore, bases that we can't really launch significant attacks from anymore. So what are we doing? The thing is, we get so stuck in this loop where we can't

give up any ground, we can't retreat, because then we're going to say, oh, the Iranians are going to claim that they pushed us out of the region. They have us hostage. Not the other way around. It's like we got them right where we want them. We're tied up in a chair, essentially, right in front of them. Exactly. And we're burning through really precious munitions. We've also burn through precious lives defending these bases that may have served a purpose at one point in time, but now they don't. I mean, there's a basic principle in, you know, any kind of infantry tactics. If you can't shoot from where you're at, you have to maneuver and move positions. And that's essentially where we're at right now with our bases, but we've got our, basically concrete around

our feet, and we say that we can't leave these bases. But that's all self-imposed. We could leave these bases. We could get our troops out of the region. We could get our vessels, you know, away from the Straits of Hormuz and try a different tactic, but we just refuse to do that. And that is the sunk cost fallacy. That is the gambler's fallacy. And look, CENTCOM, the Central Command, they have been notorious for this. It didn't surprise me at all to see the report where Cooper said, you know, hey, boss, I just need 15 more days of another bombing campaign. I mean, sentcom commanders for decades now have said, I need one more troop surge. I need one more big push into, you know, this city or that city, and we'll turn the tide in Iraq, we'll turn the tide in Afghanistan.

It's the exact same thing that we're seeing here right now. We have got to break free from that. We have enough knowledge in the U.S. government that we should not be making these same mistakes all over again. Yeah, I think Colin Powell said not to make Air Force General Chief of Staff because you need a soldier on the ground, need that type of experience. And when people think you can just do a bombing campaign and win, bombing campaigns didn't win World War II. Like, that's just a reality, right? It was men on the ground that won World War II. And when people like to draw these comparisons, like, we have space age weapons in their cavemen and they can't do anything.

Well, that's not true. Sure, we have space age weapons. We have tons of stuff. They have the Shaheed and the Shaheed cost 15 Gs. It doesn't cost $4 million. And that asymmetry, that advantage they have when it comes to how much their stuff costs versus ours, that's enough to keep them in a fight, a fight that long term we can't wage. And I think the reality, the facts on the ground are right there.

In closing, Joe Kent, what do you want people to know about the sadly coming escalation and what they should be prepared to see? Look, I think it's now as a time, if you supported President Trump before, I think it's a time to get very, very vocal. I think we need to be as vocal as we can on social media platforms like this, but also calling your senators, calling your congressmen, calling the White House switchboard, and just telling them to get out of this situation, get our troops out of the region and say that you ended the war. That's going to provide the political space where President Trump feels comfortable that he can actually say that. and the voices that say, thank you for getting us out of this war will outweigh the voices that will criticize him and, you know, say he coward or say we lost or that type of stuff. So I think the more that President Trump hears that people just want him to pull out of this war and he sees that can be a political win, I think that's the most important thing. Because if we say that, oh, you know, Trump, you broke this, now you've got to fix it, all he's going to do is get a menu of options from, from Centcom, from the Pentagon that are going to say, you know, more bombing campaigns.

and that's how you slowly slide into putting boots on the ground. Because the bombing campaigns just simply, they're not going to work. They're going to be spectacular. They're going to make for great highlight footage. We're going to be able to go say we bombed, you know, X, Y, and Z different things. But then at some point, his general is going to come to him and say, hey, like, if you want to keep doing this, we're actually going to have to take ground. And then we're going to take major losses. And then we are going to be locked into this thing.

He's got a narrow window. It's tragic that we lost those troops, but we fired back. We took our retaliation. He's got a window right now where he could end this. this thing. This is as good at a time as I think he's going to get. If he doesn't take advantage of this window right now to get our troops out, we're going to be locked into further escalation. He needs to start listening to different people. You know, you talked about the intelligence picture. Unfortunately, he just hasn't been listening to the intelligence picture. Our intelligence

picture as to what the Iranians would do, it's been pretty accurate for the entire time that I was in the administration. The president unfortunately just chose to listen to a lot of the pundits, a lot of the talking heads and a lot of the neocons who hated his guts before this war, who got him into this war. He needs to tune them out. He needs to bring in other voices, but just have the moral courage and the political strength to pull all of our troops out of the region. Powerful intel.

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The other day, you guys coming on, I said, we're doing something about what we can take control of. And then the last few years, Joe Rogan, one time of dinner, goes, about three or two years, because you're fat, your own enemy. He goes, he does that to guess. He's like, Theo Vaughn'tu. Get off that prozacacividea. And people were mad at him. That's tough love Joe does. And he's there with Sean Johns and the Navy Steel guy that I'd have known for years.

But, you know, I didn't really friends. Sean was fine. I'll train you. I'll meet me every morning. And I said, all right, let's do it. And then I lost like 70 pounds and I kind of halfway cut back. And came back to, but now I'm back to where I was. I'm going to go even lower.

But the whole point is, is that Joe goes, you know, you're an worst enemy. You think the global is going to kill. You're killing yourself. And so that's where Masterpiece comes in. That's where doing all this comes in. I mean, this is real, folks. Methylene Blue works. Movine Glottram works.

This, you'll get Masterpiece.com. The masterpiece is unbelievable. We are at a crossroads with the survival of the human species. And the people that have all the resources and all have spelled that out very clearly to us. And the things that they are putting inside of our body to complete that mission, you got to get out. The fact of the matter is zealite, which is one of the main ingredients of Masterpiece, has been proven in all ways to remove every toxin that it's looked at grabbing. It performs.

That's why it's called the Master Binder. But yours is different. It's completely different. Because it doesn't just pull stuff. It brings in the key sea minerals. Yes, absolutely. So any way that you would actually test Masterpiece out, which would be like it's pH, its molecular composition, it's molecular ratio, if it's isotonic and whatnot,

it is identical to blood plasma. You're talking about marine plasma, sea plasma minerals. It is the same molecular composition of Azure blood profile. And so why does that matter? Blood is life. When you are grabbing the problem with our bodies with the toxins in there, which is disrupting how our bodies perform on every level. It's literally made our bodies mineral be efficient. Toxins take the place of minerals.

So when the masterpiece is carrying in minerals, when it takes the toxin, it's giving the perfect. minerals right there at that time. That's why everyone that looks at the testing, whether it's our hair tissue mineral analysis practitioners, our blood testers, which you've done three different independent third-party labs doing different blood testing, they've

never seen results like that. Yeah, so regular zeolite just pulls out bad stuff, it doesn't replace it. This is zeolite with a good thing, pulls out bad, it goes, bloop, good. Yeah, yeah. Our bodies are magical if you get the poisons out. Reality starts here. Alex Jones

Jones Live.com. Share the link. Spread the word. Weeks and even years ahead of the news cycle. Alexjoneslive.com is tomorrow's news today. Discover trends and global developments years before they happen right here on the Alex Jones show. We want a positive future. We want to be able to have children. We want to be able to have land, have homes, have farm animals, have friends and family that we love and hold. very dearly and cherished so much. But the reality is famine, the reality is global war, the reality is technocracy, the reality is mass migration. Here's the thing.

If you're awake to that, if you're awake to the problem, just like we talked about with Joe Kent with the alcoholic analogy, then you're able to recover from it. But as long as you continue to live in the delusion and to, you know, eat the tick tax that the system gives you, you will never truly be able to make progress. And here's the thing. It is a wonderful thing to have disagreements to debate things, but you cannot deny reality. And the reality is we are at full and total war. It's not just a war with missiles and drones and people in the Middle East.

It's not just a war against Russia and Ukraine, a proxy war, the West versus Eurasia, Russia, China, you name it. It's not just the South China Sea. It is also the mass influx and inflow of third world populations that are from these destabilized and destroyed regions in the global south that are a direct. consequence of the wars that we fight in large part for greater Israel. So that is the key. That is the thing to realize. Now, of course, not all of the mass migration is a result of that. Of course, we've covered George Soros since literally before I was alive.

He is a huge part of that as well as the leftist NGOs, USAID in the past. It's just been reformed to a new organization and many other. And we're going to go to a report from my father talking about the conquering, taking over of Spain. If we can go back to the video really quick before we go to the report, I just want to show people, okay? This is not the families. It's not the starving grandmother with the children.

These are young men in their 20s. They're 30. These are combat age men. These are dudes coming over to conquest. They are coming over on a crusade. They're coming over on a takeover mission and they are going to subsume Europe and take it over because they come from a region

that is so destroyed and so to stabilize. They don't know if they're going to get food or water the next day. You know what happens when you give those people welfare and resources? They have about a dozen kids. Okay. And this isn't something as to where it's like, oh, the Europeans don't have children anymore and their birth rate is so much higher. It's literally all because of the society they come from versus the society that we live in. Okay, we live in the lap of luxury. We live in a world where basically everybody, well, not in America, but in the West and Europe, a lot of these people are literate. A lot of these people are educated. A lot of these people are used to a

high standard of living combined with civil rights. Ain't no civil rights in Bangladesh, ain't no civil rights in Singapore, ain't no civil rights in Sudan, ain't no civil rights in Somalia. They just come over here and it's literally like getting transported to heaven on earth. They have about 12 kids with the government's health,

help, and then they implement their own culture, their own religion, because why would they assimilate? They never had to. They never could. So go ahead and play my father's report about the takeover of Spain.

Globalist controlled replacement migration directed by the UN has gone into high gear. There's over 30 million Muslims and other invaders out of the Middle East and North Africa already in Europe destroying it. And now over 3 million military age men in the last five years of coming to Spain alone. And the new communist government announced this year that they're going to let unlimited numbers come in. Anybody that gets there gets free welfare, even more than citizens, everything paid for, looked at 50% unemployment for those under 30 in Spain. They are collapsing the country by design. And posted in this same post, you see footage of what was just landing yesterday,

and more videos are coming in today. And they are landing and they are doing throat slitting signs. They're screaming and yelling. They have no possessions other than debit cards. The UN gives them the NGOs, the Soros operations, Catholic charities, Jewish charities, the same one that Mayorgists used to run. Same NGOs that flooded us are flooding Europe. And the Spanish government has said the doors are.

are open. Once again, to Spain, they flood the rest of Europe. Remember, the Muslims conquered Spain for over 500 years, and that started the crusades to kick them out. So this is globalist UN communist black rock-funded systems allied with the Islamic globalist third world invasion. Unbelievable, and it's just going to get worse and worse until Europe totally collapses. Germany shut down their last nuclear reactors, shut down all their coal power plants, Mercedes can't even get energy to build cars. The U.S. below the North Stream pipeline that supplied half of Europe's gas or 45% of it. I mean, this is

economic warfare against us all. Should go ahead and pause it right there. We'll go ahead and pause it right there. We'll go back to it. Here's the thing. To all my muzzy hating, hell yeah, bomb I ran, bomb Middle East, kill them all. To all people out there that feel that way, you actually want these migrants over here.

You're rooting for them to come. That's what you support with your foreign policy. And that's, oh, that's not true. deny that. I hate the migrants. I don't want them in my country. Will you support the wars that lead to destabilization, mass famine in their countries, and then they come to the West. It's called problem reaction solution. You can't ignore it. You can't deny it. There it is on tape. Caught on tape, problem reaction solution right there. That's your mass migration. That's your consequence of famine. That's your consequence of war. That's your consequence of general destabilization that allows for

those NGOs and leftist groups to do things like this under cover of night of our undercover of darkness, ultimately under the cover of blood, because when there's a million and a half dead people in the Ukraine-Russia war, when there's thousands of dead people and dozens of dead American soldiers in the Iran War, people pay more attention to that than they do of hordes of military age men coming into their country. Do you see the wives? Do you see the children? Do you see Nana on bended knee? No, you do not. You see guys looking like they could be in uniform tomorrow. And they probably will be.

This is the classic Rome scenario. We're probably going to do this as well. Michael Yan, Mike Adams, Matt Bracken talk about this. The idea that our military would be of native stock for much longer is very, very ridiculous because, hey, these elite authoritarian governments that want to track, trace, and control us, they can just get Mohammed Abdul and Ganesh to do it just fine. And that'll be great. It'll be liberal and everyone will sign off on it.

and the 90-year-old boomers will pat themselves on the back, and then it'll probably get strangled by the Haitian orderly or something at the nursing home. It is what it is. It's a beautiful system. We are the world, right? We are the world. Keep playing it. Play the footage of the people running around.

We are the world. We are the children. We are the military aged men who come to kill you. We are invading your country. You will speak Arabic. You will speak Pakistani. It is time to be liberal. liberal liberal it is time to be liberal and that's literally where we are i'm not joking

it's just like the people that did like the we're going to get your children thing and of course like we're going to vaccinate you thing like the dr fouchy hitler worship songs and all of that they need to write the songs about the mass migration and i'm calling for people on the right to do that right now because that's what happens when you support these wars this is what you support my little migrant buddies from all the walls that I support they're coming to be my friend and rape my wife and that's where that's where we are so i see my dad on the phone there what's going on there crew can you tell me what's up there maybe he wants to join us all right we're going to be joined by my dad shortly it's just key to point this out day over day over day this is not just started

happening this has happened for decades and we got our own version of this on our southern border okay I want you to keep in mind, Joe Biden immediately told people, when I am president, immediately surge the border. It is widely reported that over 20 million people came here, many of them, not from Mexico, not from Latin America, not from South America, but from the Middle East, from Africa, from Asia, from Asia, from places like where these people are coming from. It's literally like dealing with Martians, all right? is a Mexican, where's a sombrero, wants to do some work, whatever, right? Catholic Christian background.

This is like unheard of stuff that you've never seen before. It's coming for you in your backyard right now. And anyone that denies it denies the societal-wide program. So we're being joined by my father, Alex Jones. Dad, how are you doing? I just wanted to give people some background here, and we can take this clip from me live on the show an ad a year ago and six months ago, the president, the communist leader of Spain said, we're legalizing three million North African, mainly Muslims, military men, 90 plus percent,

commit mass crime. We're legalizing them. And anybody else that can get here is going to be legal from here on out. So literally hundreds of thousands a month are hitting. This all happened just yesterday and is ongoing today. We'll play the Fox Newscast in a minute. But I noticed when I shot a report about this earlier, I was flooded with bots on X saying, I'm making it up, show my proof.

This is AI. This is not real. Spain was invaded by the Moors, same people out of North Africa, conquered for 500 plus years. They took over 2 million women as slaves, sex slaves. L'Reconquista took hundreds of years to retake Spain. Then it expanded into the Middle East. The crusades came out of the L'Ricomquista,

the reconquering of Spain. So, again, this is the left, literally telling us none of this is happening when they're running the actual invasion. These are all military age men. They are literally there to rape and kill and do whatever they want. They're all signed up for welfare. The Spanish government says that they're all legal.

They want to replace the Spanish with these people, that these are better. This is what the left votes for. This is who they are. And this is the reality of what we are facing. So I want to play this Fox Newscast with the same NGOs running this, are the same NGOs running this around the world, running the attacks and the invasion that we're witnessing here as well. So this is what we're facing.

This is the reality. Face it, this is the globalist attack. It's one of the main ways the UN said they'd use migration flows. The UN said that they would use these other systems to do this over and over and over again. And so this is where we are right now in the year, 26, and people just need to get with the program and realize this is happening and just get out of their denial. They said we'll use migrant flows, viruses and wars to do it, collapse the world economy, bringing the central bank, digital currencies.

That's the plan for the entire West. We need crusades 2.0 just to secure our republics and kick these people out now. Here's the Fox Newscast, and then we'll take this report, and we'll put in the Spanish government admitting this invasion plan and the rest of them posted to Ex and Rumble, and then you, the Paul Revere's, we'll share it. Here's the Fox News report. Back to you, Rex.

Thank you, Dad. Really wild video here, chaos at the border of Spain's North African enclave in Morocco. This is a city called Suta. You're watching as thousands of migrants break through the fence and completely overwhelm the border police. They're video showing huge groups of people, mostly young military age guys, cramming into inflatable tubes or arriving on shore. In other way, some of them wading in the water as they break through the gates to get to the other side. Sandra. This is reminiscent of kind of what we saw during the open border during the Biden administration through 2021, 2024, kind of similar to what we saw in Del Rio back in 2021. The socialist agenda, their platform literally says they want to abolish borders, abolish immigration enforcement, have complete freedom of movement. This is what it looks like in another country if they get what they want. Notice there is no resistance from the government whatsoever. These people are coming in without any obstruction. And if people don't know, Spain has a very left-wing. government earlier this year they did a big amnesty program for over a million illegal immigrants

living in the country they had 1.3 million illegal immigrants apply for that amnesty program between April and June so that's what we call a pull factor Sandra they're looking for something like that they know if they can just get their foot in the country maybe someday that left wing government will do another amnesty program and you were just reading some of the wires the locals want an emergency declaration it sounds like ministry saying no and they will not deploy military to the border Apparently they don't think this is a number. I mean, look at this. This is a total free-for-all. It does feel like we are looking at a few years ago when you're reporting at the border here in the United States. This is happening right now. This story is breaking right now. And you're not just talking about hundreds thousands of migrants are pouring over the borders as we speak.

Yeah. And again, I mean, just look here. Do you see any women or children? I mean, most people would call these folks so-called asylum seekers. These are all young guys just flooding into the country and overwhelming what, if any, border there is. It looks like there's just kind of a small barbed wire. fence or something like that. But you can see the Spanish government has caught completely off guard here and you have thousands of these men. I mean, it literally looks like, you often hear the word invasion, but it literally looks like one here. Look at that. I mean, you see the border fence there. They're all just going around it. And again, the head of Spain's civil guard is calling this absolute chaos. In a brand new interview, he said, quote, it's not possible to give precise numbers, but there are thousands of migrants crossing right now. He added that the border has totally collapsed, quote, unquote.

Yeah, it certainly looks like it. And for folks who don't know where this is, this is a small Spanish city autonomous in North Africa. It's actually in Morocco, but it does have Spanish autonomy. It's called Suta. So this isn't on the mainland of Spain. But these images, we've been looking at them on social media all morning. It's just stark to see that there is no resistance whatsoever. I mean, at least in Del Rio back in 2021, when those 20,000 Haitians were crossing the river, similar images to this.

You had some border patrol there. You had Texas DPS there trying to stop them here. In Spain, there is absolutely nothing stopping these folks from waiting ashore and climbing the fences. And, Sandra, just, I mean, look at that in the background. I mean, there are thousands upon thousands of these men just flooding the country. Yeah. Yeah, so they say, oh, it looks like an invasion. It looks like one.

it is one. You have to be objectively real with what you're seeing and what people are saying there. Obviously, those men are not there to find a loaf of bread for their children that are right behind them or for their nana that's right there. They're there to take over. And you know what? They have the right to do that because nobody's stopping them. Look, the police are holding open the gate. Click on that. Let's make that a little bit bigger, please. The police are holding the gate open for the invading migrants. And once you reach this level in your society, look at them in their uniforms. Oh, I bet you said something about COVID. They threw you in jail. Oh, I bet. Well, maybe not Spain because they're pretty critical of Israel, but another EU nations where they do the same

thing. You talk about the migrants. They put you in jail. Talk about Israel. They put you in jail. But they'll open the door for people that have paid nothing into your country, have no tie to your country, no historical claim to be there. And they will say not only do they have the same rights as you, they have more rights than you. They're better people than you because they've had to suffer more. And it's your fault, white person, that they've had to suffer more. It's not the fault of the evil world jury or the world government or the transnational capital that runs everything. It's certainly not. It's your fault. It's your fault because these are your nations and they did somehow slavery or something. So you're bad. Let's just leave at the door the

fact that these are literally the people from North Africa, the Arab people that pioneered and ran the slave trade. All right? Like my dad just said, conquered Spain for 400 years. This is the same thing to talk about Michael Yon. Really the same thing to talk about with Joe Kent. The historical patterns, the cycles, they just happen over and over and over again. And there seems to be no stopping them, even in this information age where, hey, everybody watching

this right now knows what I'm saying is true and they're able to follow it. But people in these countries, this is why we have to appreciate the First Amendment. here in America, they truly do not know. They have been so co-opted, so cowed, so propagandized. They've been taught that this is normal. And, hey, in one to two generations, those countries won't exist anymore. Do we want the same fate for ourselves here in America? Absolutely not. The migrant problem under Joe Biden, completely outrageous, over 20 million people came here, surge to the border. The government will never pull work permits, pull their ability to buy a car, pull their ability to get a mortgage, buy a house, do whatever. They'll never touch any of that.

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So go ahead and just do overhead shot, please? I thought it was key, and I was going to get to it. He kind of beat me to the jump on it. When my dad was interviewing Michael Jan, and they were talking about this stuff, and they were talking about the Canadian, they're not Canadian.

Yeah, well, the Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation to this man that apparently fought the Russians during World War II. And of course, we all know what that means, when in reality this guy was a member of a Ukrainian-created division of the Waffin SS. all right literally committing mass murder for Hitler killing Poles and Ukrainians in the region of Bandera, right? And Zelensky and Stephen Trudeau put a metal around his neck and he called him a good boy and say a good person and they clap for him like five times.

It kind of reminds me of when Netanyahu comes to visit and we give him a standing ovation. It's a bit insane, macabre, and ridiculous. This is a reality. This has been talked about since even before 2014. This is a known history of this country. and this is my key point just at the end of the segment here, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. And drawing the line between the two is a bit ridiculous, a bit absurd.

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I don't want to speak for you, Andrew. I want you to speak for yourself. Where do you stand now into the conflict six months? I'm fine calling it a war. I don't think that's a problem. It definitely is not voting well for the Trump administration. That's for sure going on six months with no real resolution in sight. So I don't think that it was a great idea for his administration to do.

Right. And this is the frustration that I had initially, forget just being a young person, forget just being 23 for a second and thinking about the prospect of us being involved in other, like, ground war in the Middle East. It just seemed like something that could never be extricated from. And like what was what is or I don't want to speak for you? What's your belief on the reality of this being like winnable per se? There's no clear objective for what winning is.

And so I'm not sure what we would even be winning. If you go into a country and you attack them, you need to kill everybody until you have unconditional surrender. And short of that, you probably shouldn't be fighting a war. at all. That is in fact the case. So I never thought it was a great idea for Trump to go in. My kind of red line with him is whether or not he does a ground campaign. I think if he does that would be the ultimate disaster for his administration. I still think that support for Donald Trump, as opposed to the alternative, is still a much better proposition ultimately for the

nation, but I understand the anti-war sentiment. Yeah, so I think that's kind of the key disagreement that we have there because I think we both agree now, six months into the conflict, that it is a war and all that and that it's not boating well, as you said for the Trump administration. I agree. Here's where I stand. If we back him relentlessly into the hilt, it shows that our coalition is weak because we don't care about what we put him in power to do.

What do you think about it? What's the alternative? Well, I mean, if you don't hold him to account in 20th,000. we're going to have a period where they're not going to be able to pack the Supreme Court. They're not going to be able to do much of anything. But if the electorate shows this is unacceptable, then in 2028 we could have a real populist platform. That's the alternative. I actually don't understand that position.

How do we get to a populist platform from us giving up power? So one thing, one rule in politics, if you have power, you don't give it up ever. And the reason you don't want to do that is because the opposition will come in, undo everything that you've done. and reverse your policies. By the time you get power back again, all you're doing is undoing. It's just like an undoing after undoing after undoing. Do you think we're in power?

Power to the right, for sure. Do you think that are we in power right now? Like who is us giving up power? Because the Republicans, they don't represent what we voted for, so I don't feel very in control. Most Republicans do represent what you voted for. There's a few defectors you probably don't like, but overarchingly, Republicans have been fairly

decent when it comes to things like migration, when it comes to trans issues and social issues, domestic policy, they've been fairly decent. But the war. Yeah, I understand, but I'm looking at the totality of why it is that you don't want to give up power over a conflict you don't support. All right, but they didn't do what we voted for or what I voted for because they didn't pass the war powers resolution. So they're failing on that front.

That's a big problem. I'm certain that there's multiple policies that you would consider to be failures from the right or Republican Party. but that really doesn't have any bearing over whether or not, if you look at the totality of how it's going to be governed between the left or the right, it's going to be far superior under the right than the left. And so what I look at politically is I'm looking at political longevity, who's the nation going to be better in the hands of ultimately,

and it's going to be the right wing, and it's going to be Republicans, and there's no if, answer, buts about that. I've lived under Democrat rule. It's a nightmare. It's always a nightmare. It's going to be a nightmare again. So while I agree with you in spirit that there's many things here that we have disagreements with, we need to rein our party back in and tell them no war, things like this, that has no bearing ultimately on who I want to see governing.

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Live.com. Take a stand. Share the link. Choice and globalists dread. Welcome to the Alex Jones show. We are back with Andrew Wilson for the remainder of the third hour. Andrew, I want to talk about the original stream that we did in the initial first seven weeks of the war. I want to read a quote from before that, actually. Let me find that really quick. From the time with Owen. And I believe that when was the debate with Owen?

When did that occur in timeline with the conflict? I don't exactly remember it was very early on. All right. The cruel fact checked out really quick. I'm going to read this quote. And this is in response to something we'll get into later in the next segment, which relates to our Epstein disagreement, right? So I want to say this in context.

I'm not saying this is exclusively an Iranian war argument, but it does reference kind of your feelings towards the Iranian people. I'm going to read this. Not only that, I'll tell you something really interesting. I do know of a satanic type religion of peddle. And right this second, Trump is blowing them up. Right this second as we speak, he blew up their leadership. The Ayatollahamane instituted child marriage as young as nine years old inside of Iran.

And we're killing them overwhelmingly. You want to talk about pedophiles? Let's talk about pedophiles. Where are they at? I can tell you who are blowing up right now. Who are pedophiles? That would be Trump blowing up pedophiles. That's what he's doing currently.

Is that the way you feel about all the civilian deaths in this war as well? What's your take? No. What I was doing there was testing the logical consistency of the pedophile craze for Epstein. So the idea was from Owen's position was that the most important thing was to stop the pedophiles who were in government who are eating children and all this shit. So I said, look, if that's the case, if it's really just about pedophiles, then we can point out that there's another nation that's completely filled the brim with them and we're blowing them up at the moment. It's just to test the logical consistency. It's not a position that is pro-war.

It's just a position that's designed to test consistency. Just to be clear, if it's purely, like, to test logic, you do not support bombing pedophiles in Iran? No. Well, I don't support it. Let's just say, like, if we put it in a vacuum, if all the pedophiles in Iran died of a heart attack, I would support that. But if it's the case that I have to send United States soldiers over to blow them up, I'm not so sure that. But that's a great idea, no. Okay, so that's what you meant when you said, I'm not an anti-war guy, but I'm not a pro-Iranian war guy.

Correct. I'm not anti-war. It just depends on what the war or the conflict is. So I'm in America firster. It's the case that I'm anti-Iranian war, sure, but I'm an America firster. So the idea is that there could be wars that America needs to engage in for its own interest. You would agree with me on that. It's just that this probably isn't one of them.

Yeah, but your opinion has changed. because initially you didn't call it a war, now you're calling it a war. So at the time, I think that it fit the criteria of a conflict more than it did a war. And it was a very short conflict that led to what looked like possibly a ceasefire. But that fell apart and it does look like it's becoming a hot war, yeah. Right, a regional conflict, a regional war. And this is the reality. Like, there's no breaks on this train.

This is why it grinds my years when people still support the president over this and say there's some reason to this. There's not. This is a COVID of choice in my view. Would you disagree with that? Yeah. So I'm not supporting, do you agree with me that we don't have to support every position of Donald Trump to still understand that he's the lesser of two evils here? I think there's a hierarchy. I think when you do like the grand ultimate sin, I think it really counts against you.

I think that's what he's done with the war, the peace president. I don't think that that's the grand ultimate sin. The grand ultimate sin is yielding right-wing power to progressive. insane lunatics. Okay, these people are lunatics. I've seen what they do when they're in power. Again, that I think is the ultimate sin. I think, and by the way, I'm not even sure

that having progressives in power would stop any foreign conflict. It hasn't before. Like, what foreign conflict do they ever stop? I've never seen them stop any of them. I always see them get expanded under progressives, in fact. Got expanded under Obama. Clinton bombed foreign nations.

Every time a progressive is in power, I see them do this. So I don't even know that that follows that voting in progressives is going to even stop any of the conflicts anyway. At least if we're in power and can apply some sort of pressure on Republicans in the Republican administration, I mean, that's superior to when if we had progressives in power, I think. Is there any accountability for the Republican Party? Or do they just get to avoid punishment forever for breaking their promises? One of the problems we have in this nation, man, is that politics is a team support.

and we have universal suffrage, and so that's also a team support. And so you want your team to win, and you have to have your team in power. You can't legislate. You can't do it. You have to have a majority in order to legislate correctly because the other side will stop you at every turn. It's not a matter of holding them accountable. I understand that.

I get it. The question is, is like, are we going to give up power to progressives? And the answer for me is unequivocally, no. would I love it if we were able to hold more of these people responsible? Sure, absolutely. But do I want progressives to govern as an exchange for that? I'm not so sure about that proposition. That seems like a bad prop to me.

I just think we've lost more than we've gained conservatively. Let's just go at the initial 39 day of the war count. It's $113 billion. Look at our bases. Look at things destroyed. Look at munitions. Let's call it another few billion. Whatever we want to say.

Look at the global energy crisis ramification for people at home. People are spending more money. Ultimately, you're looking at. at like around a $200 billion price tag for, you know, 150 days or six months of war. It's going to be more than that before it's done significantly. Absolutely. So how on quote unquote our side, quote unquote, the right, how is that not the ultimate sin?

I'm going to put that back to you. Because domestic policy is even more important than foreign policy is significantly more important. And the domestic policy under Democrats is going to look like this. They're going to institute corporate tax increases immediately. which Trump tried to offset with tariffs, which is going to increase the amount that you pay for your goods significantly. They tried to say that Trump was doing that when he instituted tariffs.

The opposite is true. When you up corporate taxes, who ends up paying the bill? It's the consumer. Not only that, they're going to roll back Roe v. Wade in the legislation that we have fervently fought for there. They're going to pack the court. These people are lunatics. And by the way, right now we have net zero, net negative.

of actually migration to the United States, and I guarantee you that that's not going to stay the case under progressive rule. So look, I get it. There's a foreign policy blunder that's going on, and it really sucks, and I hope we can rein it in. But I'm telling you right now that the alternative of putting progressives in power is going to destroy the nation even further than it's been destroyed significantly more. Right now you have who on the left?

You have Mamdani. You have communists coming out of the east, which is where they've traditionally come from, moving their way out westward. You want these people in power? No, you don't. You don't want them in power. Even if it was the case that they reigned in some of these wars, which I doubt, I doubt, but let's just give them the benefit of the doubt.

They will still destroy you domestically. They're handed the keys to the kingdom, though, when we have coffins come home draped in American flags. And I just, the whole narrative about Mom Donnie, he's in the Oval Office shaking hands with Donald Trump hanging out. So the whole narrative of all the great communist enemy, the evil enemy, I just see these as different factions that want to destroy the country. Do you not see the Republicans as a different faction that wants to destroy? No, I've never believed the ideal that this was a two-headed snake with one single body.

That's not the case. The case of the matter is that if you have universal suffrage, you're always going to be reduced to a single party. Even in places where they have rounds of voting like they do in the UK, it often comes down to just two parties, the two major parties. There's not much you can do because there's a couple of wedge issues that parties can build their platforms around that people will endlessly fight about. That is the truth of the world. The idea that Mom Donnie is going down and shaking hands with Trump means nothing. That's politics, man. That's how that works. That doesn't mean he doesn't hate him. That doesn't mean he's not smiling, waiting to put a knife in his back and in the back of the republic,

because they are. These people are psychopathic lunatics and their communists and their entire ideology is the destruction of capitalist America. That's what they want more than anything. Yeah, when America supports and props up genocides that Israel and Ukraine commit, and then people like Mamdani can run on being opposed to that, we hand them a free win. Yeah, look, I agree with you that politically,

this was a bad idea for Trump, that it's going to weaken his base support and already has, that it is the case that many of the right-wingers are going to be extremely upset about this, and they are. I agree with all of that. There's nothing you're saying there, which is untrue. I know, but it wasn't your initial. This wasn't your initial position.

There's nothing here that you're saying, though, that also, or that I'm saying, that's untrue either. Both things are true. It is true that his support is being eroded because of this conflict. There's no if, answer, buts about that, but it's equally true that if we have progressives in power or domestic policies are going to turn to absolute Chinola and they are going to destroy us. Both things are true at the same time.

So what's the pathway forward is what we're discussing, right? Well, how do you hold the... And the idea is like, what do we do? Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, you go ahead. I'm sorry.

I didn't mean to cut you off. No, it's all good. Who and how and what controls the Republican Party then? Mostly donor money, donor class, NGOs, things like this. They're also beholden to constituency, so it's a coalition of the factors that whole control. Who would the donors be? Who would the donor class be? Would that be people that support greater regions?

Israel project and are generating dead American bodies. And Kofi and Kofi and all sorts of different people. So it doesn't sound like the voter, right? Yeah, but the problem is, is like that's a very one-dimensional aspect to look at. It's like, yes. You can say that. Why is that true? Well, hang on, I'm going to tell you.

Jews pump a lot of money into politics. There's no doubt about it. So does Israel. But on the other hand, so to most of the Arab nations. So to most foreign nations pump money into politics. Are we fighting a war for them? Are we fighting a war for the Arab nations right now or for Israel? That's beside the point, though.

No, who controls the party, Andrew? Who controls the party? It's not purely Jews who control the party. I didn't say that. It's a collection. It's a collection of NGOs that control both parties. They both have vested interests. It depends on which party and which platform you're looking at.

If you're looking at the Democrat and Republican, the dialectic there, they're mostly held by huge donors, by NGOs, and their constituency and what their constituency wants. One thing both constituencies agree on is they want to move away from the Iraq conflict, but NGOs and donors on both sides may not want to do that. So yes, both parties are seized by NGOs. There's no if, ands or buts about that. And also they have some sort of beholdenness to their own constituency. So it's a coalition of factors, it's not a single factor. So if it's being run by donor money and not by the will of the people, the will of the voters, then how are we being? bad for wanting to hold them to account by doing the only thing we can do by not voting for them. Yeah, that's not, how is that going to help, though? Like, what is that going to do for you exactly?

Can I answer? What is that due for you? Yeah, what does it do for you? Gridlock, stagnation in Washington, D.C., perhaps a passing of the war powers resolution into the Iran conflict, impeachment charges for Trump for war crimes blowing up the school. Okay, so let's just assume that you get all of that. That's going to take a progressive majority. You agree with me there, right? I don't think so. There's no way you're going to get an impeachment. I said gridlock. You're not going to get an impeachment of Donald Trump without a progressive majority, dude.

No way. They can do an impeachment in the House and have it fail in the Senate. That happened before. Well, then that's not a real impeachment, right? The question comes down to this. What do you get if progressives are in office? Tell me what I'm going to get. What do I get?

Probably not the Iran war. Probably not the Iran war. Okay, great. I know. I'm not asking what I don't get. I'm asking what I do get. What do I get? Well, I told you. I consider that to be the Supreme thing.

You're going to make arguments. Are they going to pack the Supreme Court? No. I don't get anything. So, okay, the conflict in Iran goes away, which it wasn't there for most of Trump's presidency, first and second time. But you can't say that. It's not going to go away, Andrew.

That's an assertion of yours. If the progressives are in charge, I'm saying. And this hypothetical, the progressives are in charge. The Iran war is gone now. Okay, they stop it for whatever they do. They put an end to it. Now what? We have a 2028 where we have a healing of the country, we have a true battle for the soul of the nation.

You don't believe in that. You believe in cucking and cowling to the Republican Party. This is all I'm hearing right now. Rex, Rex, what do I get if they're in office, dude, answer me. What do I get if progressives are in office, bro? Well, what do I get? Massa on our plantations better than mass on theirs. That's your entire argument.

With the Republicans, you get war. With the Republicans, you get more. You're just running. With the Democrats, you get potentially more immigration. Can you answer the question that I'm not. I asked you to do. Potentially more immigration. Potentially more immigration.

I'm going to get increased taxes. I'm going to get a rollback of all of the social programs. We're being taxed right now. The war is a tax on everyone, Andrew. The wars are tax on everybody. You completely discount every factor of the war that's hurting Americans right now. And you say, but the Democrat. You say but the Democrat.

That's the entire argument. You're saying, the Democrats will save us, Andrew. That's not what I said. I want the war to end. World War III is happening right now. You support World War III. You say you don't, but you make justifications for it. You support World War III.

Yes. You support communists getting into office to save you from the evil Republicans because you can't rein in your own party. That's psychotic. What happens when World War truly breaks out and there's a ground invasion? You were wrong. Seven weeks into the war, you're wrong right now. What happens when that happens?

Are you going to eat wrong? What do you mean? How am I wrong? I never said there would be a ground invasion. You said it wasn't a war, man. You said it wasn't a war. It wasn't at the time. It was a conflict at the time.

You have it both ways. So when did it become a war? When did it become a war, Andrew? I think that when it became a war was after the ceasefires failed. That's when I think it became a true war. All right. So Trump disagrees with you. Trump says the four soldiers that just died didn't die in the Iran war.

He says we're not at war. Do you support that position? I disagree with Trump. Fantastic. All right. So how do you hold them to account? If you disagree with the president, do you care? Is you your king?

So the thing is funny is like, we can go to our representatives. We can ask them to defund this. We can ask for. many things from the representatives who are in control. Now that you have established what my view is, Rex, how are Democrats going to save us from anything, bro? Tell me, please. All right, mass starvation every single day.

The Stradal Hermuz and Bubblemand-debber shut. There's global famine, mass migration, human osmotic pressure. Michael Jan talks about it all the time. This war will generate 100 times the problems that you're coveting about. That's the reality. Well, first of all, hang on. you're still not answering what I'm asking you. How are Democrats who you can't even guarantee me will stop this?

I'm not getting World War III. I'm not getting World War III, Andrew. You can't even guarantee me that they'll stop World War III, bro. So just tell me what do I get if they're in charge of the domestic policy of the United States besides completely fucked? What do I get? You get no war. I'm going to keep saying it. Get no war.

Can you promise me when Democrats are in office I get no war? Well, you promise me it was a seven-week conflict. They're not a war. Can you change your mind? Answer that question. No, you get to have it both ways. You get to have your cake and eat it too, but then I have to respond to your hypothetical. If the Democrat win, they destroy the country because you say so, I don't agree with your assertion.

Yeah, they're going to. I don't think they're going to destroy the country. So then why not tell people to vote for Democrats? Tell them to vote for Democrats, Rex, do it live. Right now in the House Jones program saying, go out there. I'm not voting for my own destruction. Democrat Republican. They are two wings on the same bird.

You disagree with that. I don't understand. The most important thing is World War III, Rex. Tell people to hold for Democrats because they're going to save us. Do not vote for Zionist Republicans that want to end your life and your family lineage forever by sending them off to work. Don't put words in my mouth, Andrew. Don't put words in my mouth. Why not?

Why don't you tell them to vote for Democrats, Rex? Why not? Why not tell them? I disagree with that position. How do you disagree with the position? The most important thing is World War III and the Democrats are going to save us from it. Why wouldn't you vote them into office, Rex? Tell me.

I'm not showing up to the polls. I don't have to exist in your binet now. Okay, right. So I guess the most important thing, isn't stopping World War III then because you can't even be bothered to show up to vote. That doesn't follow. That doesn't make sense. Consistent position. Andrew, you said it wasn't a war.

Now you say it's a war. That's your consistency. So you can change your position. You can have your cake and eat it too, but I can't. That's basically your entire take on this from day one. Rex, this whole thing is insane. First of all, when I said that at the time, we were six or seven or eight weeks into the conflict. Okay.

yes, of course, when the situation changes, my opinion about the situation is going to change with it. People like you that backed the Republicans. When Trump said 99% of Republicans supported the war, you're a part of that number. You emboldened his military action. Did you vote for Trump? Yes, twice. Then you supported the war. Yes, I was wrong to believe in the lies of Donald Trump.

Donald Trump lied to me. Hold on, Andrew. Donald Trump said no more neocon wars in the Middle East. Is this the neocon war in the Middle East? That's the same thing he said to me. I voted for him too. And you're still a cock. What do you want me to do?

You're still cucking for him. That's what this is. You're talking for Democrats, bro. You're making excuses for the dear leader. If you can't criticize your own side, it shows your coalition is weak. You have no coalition. You have no platform. You admit the Republican Party is controlled by the donor class, but then you say to go vote for.

So are Democrats. So are Democrats. I'm proposing we break. I'm post duopoly. Oh, okay, great. You're going to break in what? You're going to form a part. party in two years. I'm 23. You're in your 50s or something. You'll be dead in like 30 years.

I'll be here. I care about the nation, the future of this country. In a way that you're not going to save us from World War III that you have a party in 20 years, Rex? No, we do it now. We do it now. 2028. You are holding, no, hold on. You're holding to 2026. I'm holding to 2028. That is my entire position. We have somebody run. You're not going to have a party. You're not going to have party by 2028. That's insane. Who was the part? What was the Republican Party? That's crazy. In 2014, was the Republican Party, the Party of Trump or the party of Jeb Bush and Paul Ryan?

What happened there? It wasn't the party of Trump. Trump wasn't around. What he's talking about? What happened there? So there's a complete change from, of course, Jeb Bush to Donald Trump, a complete change from pro to anti-war foreign policy because Donald Trump had a populist takeover of the Republican Party. How could we not have that again? You deny that.

You say it's impossible. Yeah. No, no, no. What I'm telling you is that you can't have a third party. viable by 2028. I didn't say that's what you're possible. I said having a person run inside the Republican Party. So then you're going to want us to vote

for Democrats now and then in 2028 vote for whoever the Republican nominee is. Why not? Because Rex, you're giving up. The Democrat going to sit some man and throw me in jail. That doesn't follow. Oh, the Democrats are going to save us

from World War III. Yes. That doesn't follow. We need accountability, Andrew. Then tell people, then tell people right now if they're going to say this from war, how many pumps? How many pumps? How many dead soldiers? How many? Uncle Sam's railing you right now. Is it going to be 19, 20, 21 pumps, 22? How many more deaths, Sandra, will you justify? How many times do I have to say I don't support the war? But you support Donald Trump who's doing the war? That's the whole point of the argument.

I don't support Donald Trump. Yes, you do. You support Donald Trump. You're telling people to vote for his party. Rex, you can't cut me off in the middle of the sentence. You've been cutting. Be off. Funny here, man, is like, I don't support Donald Trump's war in Iran. I do. I do. support him on domestic policy and the things that he's gotten done. It's not a deal breaker for you. Think for a second, not yet, unless there's a ground invasion. And I got to tell you, man, you're saying that there's going to be

World War III and Democrats are going to save us. That's nuts. They're not going to save us from anything. And if you really believe that they were, why wouldn't you tell people to go vote for them then? Why? That makes no sense. We're not voting. 28, we're voting for somebody to take over the party just like Trump did. That's, respond

to my position. That's my position. I'm trying. That's a stupid position. Respond to it. Don't just say it's stupid. What happens? 2028 would take over the party. Here, I'll help you out here.

Okay, so here's what happens in 2026. You get obfuscation. If you get Democrats in, you get a lame duck. You're right that you've got gridlock. But what Democrats have come out and say is they'll be like, look, the Republicans have completely failed you while they obstructed every bit of their agenda. That's what they'll run on. They'll put a communist in the White House like they've done before.

They will completely and totally take over the electorate. And then we're really screwed, bro. And what's really funny about this is, again, now that I've responded to you, can you please respond to me? Why won't you tell people if you really believe that Democrats are going to save us from World War III, and that's the wedge issue, not to vote for them in 2026? That's an insane contradiction, Rex. I don't agree with that. I agree with holding the Republican Party accountable by not emboldening and enabling them in 2026.

Andrew, are they going to, are they going to? You said that they were going to save us from World War III. Now they're not, huh? What are we supposed to do, Andrew? Are we supposed to keep voting a Republican as they send our sons and daughters off to die? What you do, we already did what we could do. We tried to primary out the ones that we didn't like, and it was Trump's nominees who got in there. That's what actually happened when it was left up to the electorate.

The problem that you have, man, is that you're going to yield a ton of power, a ton of power. You've already yielded it. The biggest lunatics who have ever existed. You gave it away to the Lekud Party. You gave it to Netanyahu with your support. Oh, yeah. I gave it away because I voted for the same. guy you voted for. It's two devils, man. It's two demons. Yeah, so, so I guess you and I are both in the

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Days, weeks, and even years ahead of the news cycle. Alexjoneslive.com is tomorrow's news today. Well, it's that last segment. We're talking about things, having some fun debating our positions. Andrew Wilson is the host of the crucible. We're talking about Iran War. I think we're going to get into Epstein this segment. I want to talk to you about the Epstein apologetics,

but I don't want to leave it hanging there, reviewing what we just said. I'll give you the floor. Well, I mean, it's fine for us to get into a different topic. I understand the debates get heated. I never take it personally. I never have. We have different positions and we have different ideologies.

But I'll just leave it at, no, I've never been an Iran war supporter. I do think that the right wing are the by far better governing candidates and better governing force than Democrats. I don't think Democrats are going to save us, nor do I even think that they would stop any wars that were going on. I don't believe it for a second. All right. I just don't believe the right wing is in charge. Like you say, this is the issue that I have. We can point to the Democrats.

You can point at the radical Marxist, socialist, communist agenda. You can say that is actually in charge. My issue is the Democrats think that they're right. the Republicans know that they're wrong and they lie to their electorate. How do we hold them accountable? Well, both parties ultimately lie off into their electorate. The thing is, is that the one thing you can't get around is that politics is a team sport in order to legislate.

You have to have X amount of votes. And that's not just to get into office. That's for when you are in office. Democrats understand and know this. They will vote along party lines without defectors, even the communists, We'll get together with the progressives in order to do this because they understand maintaining power is central, right? You have what is called suicidal principles. It's like, look, you can if you want to.

If you want to say, look, I'm so principled that I just refuse to even go and vote at all. That's great. But I don't know what the hell that does for anybody. And I don't know what putting Democrats in office, if you really thought that that was going to void World War III, why you wouldn't tell people to go vote for them in mass? Like, why wouldn't you do that? Because you propose it as an absolute and I'm not proposing it as that. I'm saying 2026 specifically I'm not showing up to the polls because the peace president lied and took me to war. 2028, I plan to be very involved.

But you're just punishing yourself. You're setting your feet on fire to warm up your hands. You're like, look, getting because what you do is you get rid of your legislative authority and you give it to progressive lunatics. And they will obstruct all, all legislation that you do want. That's all that they will do for two. eight years, blame that on Republicans to usher in their candidates, and they will get them in, they will be in charge, and we are going to be in a world of hurt. That is how this works politically. Why do you think they're beating this as a wedge issue so hard? They love it. It's their favorite

thing on planet Earth. They were given it, Andrew. They beat it to death. They were given it by the party. I agree that this was a Trump blunder. I get it. And I understand that that's now a talking point, which can be used by Democrats and progressives. Blunder implies accident. This was very deliberate. another nation took us to war, Andrew. Well, no, Blunder doesn't imply accident and implies that you did something that you weren't, you were stupid what he did. Yes, I agree, it was on purpose.

I agree that he worked in tandem with Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu in order to do this. The only defense that I'll even give to Trump is that I do believe that he thought that this would be over very quickly because the other conflicts that he had been involved with were, like Venezuela, for instance. He had no reason to think that it would become

this expanded conflict. But that's the only thing. the only defense that I'll give to the guy because many people in his administration told him that this was a bad idea. Right. So you've changed your mind and now you call it a war. What do I change my mind now? Can you tell me what I change my mind on?

Seven week conflict, Andrew? Seven week conflict. That's what you said. And how long had the conflict been going on at that time for seven weeks? So when you kill the Pope, it's not a war. When you kill the Ayatollah, it's not a war. That's not an act of war to you. No, it's not always if you kill a foreign leader in act of war, no.

Wow. It's not. You know, it's not always. I don't know what to tell you. That is, in fact, the case. But this has graduated. Any other nation they kill a leader, they're at war. Why is it different for us?

That's not true. That's not true. Many nations have had leaders which have been assassinated, and that's been linked to other nations, and they didn't go to war. But it's not an assassination linked to another nation. It's a military strike. It's a bombing. Yes, but that's not what's in dispute.

What's in dispute here is whether or not at the time it appeared to be more of a conflict than it did a war. But you don't think it's an act of war to kill the I think that you're splitting I think that you're splitting hairs. How? Even if I was wrong, let's just say I was incorrect about it being a conflict. Let's just grant it. So what? We both agree it's a war. Both of us. So if that's a case, you don't, you don't agree that killing the Ayatollah is an act of war, which makes it look like, well, why are the Iranians fighting us? They seem to think they're at war with us. Bro, what part of we both agree it's a war? We're not, what are you not getting here? No, no, because you You denied. Your position at the beginning was wrong and you knew better. You knew it was a war and you said it wasn't one because you thought it could end quickly. Okay. You know what? Just for the sake of getting the conversation forward, Rex, I was wrong. It wasn't a conflict. It was actually war. What have we established? Anything?

Well, I mean, you're willing to write that off. Nothing. You're willing to write that off. You're willing to write anything and everything off that Trump does even if he takes us to war because the Republican. Except I'm not. I mean, you're just making stuff up, except I'm not. Then how do we hold them accountable? And very out of it. How do you hold them accountable for breaking with their promises? Yeah, so you can do political punishment, especially through acts of Congress. That's the best way to do it.

Get them to defund things. They can pass legislation. They can restrain them. You can go to courts. There's a million different ways to restrain the president. Well, you're against the war. There's a million different ways to restrain your parties in Congress, including lobbying your own NGOs, including lobbying your own lobbyists.

There's a million different ways to restrain them. Your way to restrain them. Your way to restrain. is let's vote in progressive lunatics we're going to destroy the nation that's not how you do this bro that's the opposite of how you want to do this all right so you've got another position which is pretty interesting which is the epstein position and there's you there's michael tracy gavin mcginnis who had on yesterday also kind of holds to this uh kind of i don't know if you'd put it this way this is what gavin said that epstein's just a pervert i want to get into this with

you i want to define what your position is on epstein again not trying to put words in your mouth i want to hear what you have to say. Yeah, so I think Tracy has most of this right, that you have to separate mythology from fact. So Epstein was a hyper predator in Florida who was praying on

essentially high school girls or younger. Pedophilia, most likely, right? So yeah, he was up to all sorts of horrific things. There's no if, hands or buts about that. And Gleine Maxwell also. was. But the mythology aspect is the Zorro ranch, they were eating kids,

they had like child bakeries there. The mythology is the Lolita Express that there was blackmail operations which were going on and those blackmail operations were utilizing video in order to make sure that various political figures and things like this could be blackmailed essentially. So that's where the mythology aspect of it comes in. So it's, it's, As long as people separate mythos from what we know is fact, they don't really have a problem with it. I don't even have a problem with the idea of the mythology,

if it's the case of people have good evidence for why it is that they believe some of the things inside of the mythology. Okay. Okay. So I just want to ask you right off the rip, is Epstein a pedophile and was he involved in child trafficking? Well, undoubtedly, he was involved in child trafficking? The question is, was he involved in child trafficking? The question is, was he involved in child trafficking to himself or was he involved in child trafficking to other people? That's where the question comes in.

Crew, can we get really quick? Crew, can we get the DOJ charges for Southern District in New York? Jisland Maxwell punched up on the screen really quick. Andrew, continue? Yeah, and then the other thing on the question of pedophilia, yeah, I mean, most likely. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he, the way that I understand it, It's a mix between you have pedophilia and then heaphylia and then, you know, everything after that. Pedophilia is classified as prepubescent children and then heavophilia is classified as they're like possibly post-pubescent, but they're still underage.

So I think that he falls in the heaphylia category, but it wouldn't surprise me if he fell in the pedophile category as well. All right. So there's underage hijinks going around. We can kind of just leave it at that. So he's on. Yeah. So he's, so he's on record or just Lane's on record because she's spending 20 years in jail for conspiring to and committing child trafficking with and for Jeffrey Epstein. Like those are the charges. So for me, when I, when I hear that somebody like Michael Tracy come out there and say, oh, well, there's no evidence of this. This is a satanic panic, basically. I look at the redactions and I say, well, if there are all these redactions for all these quote unquote victims, who is being protected and what's being hidden? your view? Well, a lot of the redactions are coming out of victim advocacy groups, various lawsuits that are happening, and those are done through the court, which is separate actually from what

Trump's powers are for redactions and even congressional power. A lot of that comes out of the courts. Tracy has some pretty good segments on this on how the victim's advocacy groups push for these redactions through courtrooms. And I kind of understand why, because if you take what happened, for instance, with Rokana, when Rokana doxed those various people who are on the list, and then it turns out that they weren't even involved in any pedophilia at all. It's like there's a reason why there's a lot of those redactions, which are there. We have the Epstein Transparency Act, and they've been going back and forth on this, based around the idea of the video and the redactions.

So I would love to see it all. And this is Tracy's position, too, which is interesting. He would prefer to see it all redact. and released. And so would I. I just understand why it isn't. And that's because the courts did it in your view? Most of it, yes. Most of it. Most of the redactions come from, from courts, from victim advocacy groups, and from various lawsuits, and from people who want to protect their identity, who might be named in the Epstein files, but they themselves did nothing wrong.

Okay. So we kind of made, or you made the pedophilia, I believe hebofeelia, whatever it's called a distinction earlier before. Pam Bondi is pre-pubescent, one's post-pubescent. All right. So I think to most people, that really doesn't matter. Like if it's under 18, it's a crime. And then someone that's that old should be doing it. I agree.

It's a crime. Yeah. So when you look at Epstein and you look at the redactions, it's not just the redactions, it's the three million unreleased files. What do you say about that? Yeah. So most of that, as this, again, this is the research that I've read and I've looked at both ends of it. So Pam Bondi said that most of the redactions on video, for instance, came from

the fact that this was mostly Epstein's porn and that had been investigated. And it's true that they did age play pornography, but even a lot of the pictures, which were leaked out, where it appeared like it was a young girl, you know, like perverts on the internet were like, no, I saw that porn. It's this one. And you'll see that on X. They're like, nope, that's actually just age play pornography, this type of thing. So he had a pretty staunch porn file, and then as far as the other files that haven't come out, my understanding is that those fall under the same category. They're like unnecessary files to send out or they're protected by victim advocacy groups, this kind of thing. Do you believe?

This is my understanding of it. No, I get it. Do you believe he was an international sex trafficker? I don't think that there's evidence to support that Epstein was involved in international sex blackmail. operations. There seems to be a lot of evidence that he was at least tied to intelligence agencies, which doesn't surprise me because he was a banker for Rothschild and he was an investment banker for other large banking operations. So that wouldn't surprise me at all if he had intelligence links. Most of these guys seem to. But I haven't seen any good compelling evidence that this guy

was flying children around the world for other people to have sex with and then blackmail him. And that's where the mythology part comes in. So you completely disregard all uses a coded language? No. No? Well, pizza, cheeseholders, grape soda, hot dogs, things like this. I eat the beef jerky or else the demons come for me. The shadows come around.

Yeah, what a stuff like that is. It just doesn't demonstrate what it is you're trying to demonstrate. It is the fact, in fact, the case, it's awful suspicious. I agree with you. The idea of coded language always is. But do you remember the pizza gate and the stuff that happened around that that was all based around coded language and it was all nonsense. There was no actual child trafficking going on.

I don't know that was all nonsense. It was all. The Podesta emails were not a part of Comet Pizza and that was also a part of Pizza Gate. So you're going to get to play two things here. Well, no, I'm not. The Podesta emails and spirit cooking had to do with some lunatics art project. And that was conflated and tied in to the fact that Podesta was diddling kids and then that was tied into Pizza Gate.

It's like most of that wasn't true. If it's just a lunatics art project, then why are all the most powerful people involved in it? And why are they involved with pedophiles? Like Jeffrey Epstein-Theirms. For the same reason, most leads get involved in art because it's a massive racket worth billions of dollars and they hide their money through it. So billionaires have been doing that for years and years and years. Do you really think that they're buying a painting that was made from somebody for 50 million bucks? Go back to that in the slideshow.

Do you think this is a part of art scam where they got, you know, the fact. guy like raping the silhouette of the little kid on the bed is that a part of our yeah that probably surprised me if podesta was a a total absolute scumbag of the tallest order the problem that you have is like you have to separate mythology in weirdness and grossness and sickness from reality the reality is there was never ever at rocket pizza a basement where kids were getting tortured and they were being assayed. That's just not true. Factually, it's not true.

And you can be upset about it all you want, but that is in fact the case. Right now, factually, you don't have evidence that Epstein was flying children around the world as part of blackmail operations. You don't have the evidence for it. We have evidence. We have evidence.

We have evidence that he tried to traffic children. We have evidence that he did it with Jislane Maxwell. She's in jail for 20 years. To himself. To himself, right. Exactly. So if he did, if he trafficked, children to himself and he's this billionaire with all these insane connections, wouldn't it not be a crazy leap of logic to assume he's doing this with other people of him and just later doing it? It wouldn't be, no, of course not.

It wouldn't be a great leap of logic. But there's just not any good evidence there to support it. That's the problem that you have. That's why you have to be very cautious because you can build up huge mythologies around what is called, you know, logic gaps or evidence of the gaps, meaning, look, I don't actually know, but my speculation becomes the logic. and then I can make these logical leaps based on my speculation. Now we get into these are truth claims. And it's like you can't make those truth claims because they're not true. You have to at least have the evidence to back up the truth claim or you can't really make the claim.

Right? You can just say have suspicions of. If that was it, if people are like, look, I have suspicions of this. This is really weird. This needs to be followed up on. We want more answers to this. I think that that would be fine. But this has transcended that.

And it is, in fact, the case that there is a psychosis, which is happening in the United States around this, where people now believe that at the top levels of government, we have people who are eating children, that they're eating their pinae glands, that they're eating their sexual organs, that they're killing them and murdering them, and they're essaying them. And it's like, that's a hell of a thing to say without good compelling proof, man. I take that point. I can take that point. I can understand it. The problem is, though, he's on record as a child. trafficker, he's a billionaire, he has these connections. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I don't believe that. But that works against you too. That's the same, same argument I can

make back. It's like, yeah, you're right. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But the problem is, is that you making the affirmative claim, there's an absence of evidence and therefore that's the evidence is the same argument. That's not evidence. It is a bit odd that the people that promised to expose everything and in the wars, started the wars and exposed nothing. And they say, well, we had to do the war and then we had nothing to expose because it's all fake. I guess we're supposed to just trust them? Well, no, nobody's asking you to trust them.

I think, again, just like Tracy's position, I would love to see all of these files unredacted and released. But you have victims who don't want that to happen. They don't want it to happen. And take, for instance, a lot of these victims don't have very much credibility. to begin with. And a lot of it has to do with money. It has to do with various victim funds that they had access to.

It became a multi-million dollar industry to be an Epstein victim. So it's like, look, you have also evidence to question that narrative. And it's like, look, I love skeptics. I just used to love them a lot more when they were skeptical of their own claims, too, their own sides claims. Like, be skeptical of both. It's fine to be like, look, I want the government to be more. transparent. I want them to release all the unredacted files. I want to know what happened.

But you also need to be skeptical of your own claims and be like, I actually don't know. And you shouldn't make bold claims that at the highest level of government, children are getting eaten, and molested and raped by high-level government officials, and it's being covered up. We don't have evidence for that, man. Now, if you want to say, have seen traffic kids to himself. I agree 100% that happened. But you lack the evidence to show that he was trafficking children to other people as part of massive intelligence

blackmail operations. I myself believe that narrative. I believed it myself until I went and looked into it and read a lot of Tracy's research and his research is quite good. All right. Well, Andrew, we disagree on this. I think we'll probably do another stream in the future

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