The Always Sunny Podcast - Paddy’s Pub: Home of the Original Kitten Mittens

Episode Date: June 12, 2023

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Good morning. Yeah, man, whatever you say, dude. You say is what it means, I guess, bro. Dude, if you say so. Yeah, man, if you say so. I mean, I guess it's good. If you say so. If you say so.

Okay, season five, episode eight. Oh, she's right. You're right. You rock, what makes you so good? I haven't even had a sip of coffee yet. I haven't even had a sip of coffee yet. And I've been up since 5.15. Really?

Why'd you get up so early? I'm trying so hard to be somebody that can wake up early and like, you know, work out first thing in the morning. I've done it for periods of time before, but it's just, it's total. Are you waking up and you're going straight to work out? Are you eating anything and you don't have any coffee before? No, I No, I go. So yeah, the alarm goes off at 5.15. I jump out of bed, throw on my gym clothes, I go downstairs, I drink basically a giant glass of water,

and take some amino acids. Sure. Right? So the little protein for the muscles to synthesize while I'm working out. Okay. And then I go straight to the gym. Wow. Yeah. But you know, you're gonna have any energy. Here's a thing that I thought new food that stinks about it. I'm more energy. You get older and like everything gets a little stiffer, a little creakier. And it's like, boy, if you're doing that workout at like nine, 10, body's had a chance to warm up a little bit. Yeah, you're feeling, I spend the first, you're from mobile. I spend the first five minutes on the treadmill

on a steep uphill climb, like walk, getting the muscles warmed up, getting everything loose. And then, and that's the beginning of my warm up. And then I do have like a whole warm up routine that I do. So I warm up for 15, 20 minutes before my workout even starts. Wow, good. And how long is your workout? The workout itself is probably 45 minutes. That's the 5, 15 wake up because...

Yeah, exactly because I'm not done to... I'm not in the gym till, you know, just after 5, 30, and then, you know, my workouts not really done until around 6.40. And being on us, how long you think we're going to be keeping up this, this early morning regimen? I've gone through long periods of time, long stretches where I've been good about it. Um, it's just a matter of like, it really sucks like I'm just, I want so desperately to be one of those people that can just get seven and a half hours of sleep.

It seems like a very reasonable amount of sleep to get. And I can do it, but like really my body wants nine. So I'm forcing myself to just get seven and a half. And... Why do I have no way of laughing? I really don't know. You know, I just... Talking about what your body wants with such clarity

and earnestness. Well, because what I've heard, and I don't know if you guys have heard this, but that our body sleeps in 90-minute cycles, right? So you wanna be on a 90-minute cycle, no matter what it is, whether it's hour six, you wake up six hours of sleep, that's a 90-minute cycle. Seven and a half, that's 90 minutes, nine,

but like anything, or not, that is not as good. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I don't know either. I do find that it's true that around six, like, and 90, I wake up in 90 minutes. It's like I'll just make a mistake. I'm trying to take this seriously, but I don't know why this is so funny.

I don't, it's just, it's just, it's my peculiarness, my particularness. The specificity of it, it's like, you know, it's just, it's just, it's my peculiarness, my particularness. The specificity of it was like, you know, it's going to bad wake up. Don't worry about it. I'm all over the place now. I'm all over the place. With your sleep? With everything. I'm all over the place now. I'm all over the place. With your sleep?

With everything. I went for a while without drinking alcohol just to see how that made me feel. Same. Same? I thought you seemed to recall you saying it made you feel worse. Yeah, maybe worse. Because you weren't experiencing the joy of having a Manhattan at night. That's right.

And that was the only difference. And as a result, you took one joyful thing away and replaced it with those feel free's, which we might have around the office here that glendering. Yeah, we've got some in the fridge. You introduced me to something called feel free, which is just an over-the-counter supplement,

which I thought was like, you know, like an energy drink or something like that. And it turns out it just gets you high. Wow. It gives you something. Whatever it gives you. A little bit of a high thought. Well, I feel free.

I'll drink one of these to feel free instead of the Manhattan. It's just to have something, you know, too. Well, that is what, that was the guy who created feel free was a recovering alcoholic who wanted something that he could drink socially that wasn't bad for him, but that made him feel something. Yes.

That's the whole purpose of it, especially. So I felt free and decided to stop drinking the Manhattan a night and then I enjoyed it. I was fine, but I didn't feel better. And so then I thought, well, what if I just have a second feel free? Now, you're not supposed to do that. No, you're not. That's exceeding the, that's two free. That's two. That's two free. You're exceeding the recommended, you're doubling the recommended dose, which of course, that's never going to lead to anything. So I stopped doing that. But then I, I, last week started drinking them and having to Manhattan again. Now I'm happy. Now I'm happy because I'm

drinking them Manhattan, but I didn't take away the feel free. You're going down, you're going down. You're free enough to have a Manhattan. I feel almost in that stage that I was in, I don't know, 12 years, 15 years ago, where I was smoking very heavily and then decided, okay, I'm going to quit smoking. How many years ago did you say? More than that, but I hate to. I hate to.

I hate to. Yeah, I think 20 years ago. Well, that's good. That's good, that's good. That's good news to have. I've been smoke-free for, I felt free from smoke for 20 years, but I would chew the nicotine gum instead. And I chewed so much nicotine gum.

It's great. And that was great, I loved it. But then one night I was out probably with you and I was like, well, I'll just have a cigarette. So then I had a cigarette and then I realized I was smoking at night and then just chewing the gum all day long And now I was doing the nicotine gum and the cigarettes. Yeah, and then I had to stop it all so That's kind of where I'm at right now where I'm drinking the I'm drinking the field for well first of all I'm starting the day with a five hours of energy five hour energy. I do one of those every day Every day.

It's that I've thought, I've thought, I've never tried one of those. I've never tried one. I've got to trust you're not adventurous. When I drink adventurous, I mean, if I'd like adventure, I'd like to mystery, like discovery.

You handed me a feel for you, and I said, You were not adventurous, but you gave him the feel for you. Yeah. He's like, Hey, try this. I was like, I opened a whole new realm for him.

By the way, that happened here. Defined adventure. That happened here. You said, you should drink this. Oh yeah. I was like, oh, okay. It was after drinking. And I'm like, oh, that tastes bad.

And you, did you drink the whole thing? By the way, they're this way. Did you drink the whole thing? And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? You said drink it. And then you turned your head. And when you turned back around, I drank it. Oh, and you were high as a kite for a while.

I was like, it was just a strange feeling. It felt like you were high. Well, especially the first time you are really only supposed to drink half a bottle. And that really is one dose. One dose is half a bottle. And then you can take a second dose later, should you so choose, and drink the second half of the bottle.

But you just down the whole thing. But the bottle's just to be clear. Those tiny, it's this big. It's what? Two ounces? Yeah, maybe. So anyway, I don't drink the coffee, I do the five hours of energy, solely because it doesn't hurt my stomach.

I'm drinking one of those, I'm drinking one of those a day. You've had so many thousands of hours of energy. Buddy, yesterday, but yesterday I had 10 hours of energy. Wow. What do you mean? I got up early, I did my five hours of energy, I got pretty good. had 10 hours of energy. Wow. What do you mean? I got up early, I did my five hours of energy.

That's not an energy. I said I need 10 hours of energy. Five hours later, you spoke about about six, five, six hours later. You need to monitor. I needed, I had a long day of work yesterday. Yeah. And I had to, I needed to push through. And I see what everybody has there afternoon tea or coffee.

Now how did the second one make you feel? Did it do? Sometimes I have the afternoon coffee and it's just no good. It makes me more tired or something. It just doesn't, my body just rejects it. No, not me. No, your body was actually back off. But then definitely makes it harder to sleep at night.

Oh yeah, actually. Sure. Heads to Manhattan. Sure. It's from Manhattan. Sure. Heads from Manhattan. It's a really good system. I think it's pretty garland at this now. I'm so full of energy, I gotta get the energy.

Yeah, you know, in a main life where you get up, you get down and then eventually you stay down. In the end. But in the studio it gets you down. Well listen, I'm also coupling that with this green juice. No, okay. I tell you, I put a green.. This is all quite a different thing. I'm just gonna show you guys that this is just green vegetable juice.

Right, okay. And then I work out, you know, I work out pretty hard, which means my heart's probably gonna explode at some point. Now, you know that the vegetables, they're fighting you too, right? You know, the vegetables, they've got their own defense mechanisms and they're difficult to break down. And so everything's killing us guys. Everything's killing us.

Are you telling me that not to drink vegetables now? I'm telling you, not to eat vegetables. I'm telling you that vegetables have things in them that make them somewhat toxic to us. Not all. Most of them do. Most of them do. This is true.

Where's win? Because they're so amazingly mac and Dennis. You know, I mean, the overlaps are really funny. Like when it all comes from somewhere. Yeah, it does. It's gotta come somewhere. Well, it smokes with cigarettes and suffocate the toxins from the apples. Wait, this is new.

But are you always coming with new age, like information? Well, we know new, all right? The bad people are bad for you? Well, we've known this for a while. People have a problem. People have a problem with nightshades, right? You know, people who are like allergic, I'm allergic to nightshades, forever.

Yeah, it's because. It's because, I've heard Tom Brady say that. He doesn't need nightshades. And he's trying to keep his inflammation down. Yeah, exactly. But why would eating a vegetable give you inflammation for all the same reasons that I'm talking about? So too much of anything basically is not a good thing.

I've come full circle on the meat thing. I mean, look, we were told for a long time, like you're not supposed to eat red meat. It's bad for you, don't eat red meat. Get your cholesterol up. And now everybody in the world of like health and wellness and longevity is like, no, no, no, eat nothing but meat.

Vegetables are killing you. Like, you can have some asparagus and some zucchini. That's the only, that's his thing. And he died in like 50s, right? Yeah, but that's because people were doing that wrong. And, you know, he was like eating, you know. Also, didn't he slip and fall in his factory bacon? I think one of those cats, like, like died young

and people used that as evidence as to how not to live. And I think he like cracked his fucking head open on the sidewalk. Yeah, but that's just A new trend. It landed on an eggplant to stop in the blow There's a vegetable around he would be a couple night shades to land right but you land on that little piece of chicken It's too thin. It's the extremes I love this is the gland of extremes because I do appreciate and respect how I love his cutlet. Is the gland of extremes, because I do appreciate and respect how much time, effort, and care

you put into doing research on whatever it might be. You're going to buy a new... You're always like this. You're going to buy a new rug, and he would do six months of research on school count. A spool count. Red, black, and spilling methods. I didn't do that, but I know what you're saying. Yes. And so when it came to your health, consumption control, that you always just dove in head first and I appreciated it. But I got a lot of comments.

I'm a scientist. If you spool count would grab me, this conversation would grab me and suddenly spool count, I would be like, okay, So Dennis is obsessed with spool count Yeah, and has has been yeah and throughout count and has been convinced that you guys have a rug in your apartment with a certain spool count Only to find out that your spool count is like way less. Yeah, and as a result the mites have really taken hold Yeah, and you know they've built their little houses and laid their eggs in. And then wants to return on the rug because the spool counts too low. Anyway.

So Max starts injecting himself to get his spool count higher thinking that he's talking about something. I'm thinking that I'm talking about you. Your personal spool count. Yeah. But go on, you research. And then this would happen throughout the entire run of the show where Glenn would come in.

And it wouldn't be like, hey, I'm trying this new diet, or I'm trying this new experimental thing. It would come in and be like, don't you guys understand that eating food that's cooked is killing you? And we would be like, oh, yesterday you were. Just an example of something,

not something I've ever actually said. It-ish. I've never said the cooking food bit. No, but like when you were going through the, the, the cayenne pepper thing, which we've, which we've talked about, but you were very clear about how like the, the, the things that you guys are doing are, are killing you.

Everything you put into your body is, is a toxin. Mm-hmm. And then you would come in six months later and be like, everything I said six months ago is wrong. Actually, no, no. I would say I'm on the cutting edge of something. I would say that. Yes, I would say that. I would say that. No.

No. I'm on the cutting edge. I don't know what you're saying. I'm having trouble following this. Basically, I'm following the science, right? Yes. Right. And that's constantly changing and evolving because as we know, science is a liar sometimes.

Right? So we're constantly learning new things, right? The guy who created AI didn't know what it was going to become. Of course he didn't. How could he? Right? So science is evolving. We are evolving as people, right? We learn new information.

I'm 47 years old and I'm still taking in new information. Can you believe it? Can you believe it? This is why I led with, I appreciate you're always learning and growing and trying new things. Do you come in with such conviction that there is no doubt in my mind that starving myself? What was the last time I talked to you about food and diet? Today. Yeah, but that's because it came up on the podcast, but like I see do I I don't I don't preach about what I eat I don't talk about what I eat with people unless they ask or if it comes up in a podcast because it's interesting It's a it's a good forum to you know talk about like you know got to talk about something

Right, but like I don't go around telling people I don't talk about my diet I don't talk about what I eat. I don't talk about my supplements. I don't talk about any of that shit. Now maybe I used to, but I don't anymore. So get off me. So get off my fucking ball. Should I drink the vegetables? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. The jury's out. Or what vegetables are in there? You can drink it, but it's gonna fight you a little bit. It's gonna fight you exactly. Well speaking of all these wonderful products and getting heated about products. Yeah, that's the word.

Let's talk about Kit Mitten's home of the original. Mitten's, what is it? What is the title? Oh, it was a Patty's pub, home of the original Kit Mitten's. Patty's pub, home of the guys. This is season five, episode eight. Now, this is what. Well, you set this up for us, Rob.

Well, this is what happens in the episode. Okay. In aired on November 5th, 2009. It was written by Sonny Lee and Patrick Walsh and directed by Randall Einhorn. Another Einhorn. When a merchandising convention comes to town, the gang tries to develop marketable products

and attempts to build the Patty's brand. I love this episode. Yeah, it's very funny. I loved it. I loved it as well. I didn't remember a lot of it. It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while since I watched it.

It's not what I think of often, but it was pretty simple and fun and good. Yeah, I mean, there's some iconic stuff, the most iconic being, of course, the very first thing that Kittenman's commercial. Is your cat making too much noise all the time? Is your cat constantly stopping around driving you crazy? Is your cat clawing at your furniture? Think there's no answer? You're so stupid! There is!

Kitten Mittens! Finally, there's an elegant, comfortable mint for cats! I couldn't hear anything! I remember shooting that commercial and laughing at how funny the cat swapping was. But I remember like everyone cracking up, cause you know, oftentimes the video monitors

for the scene are just behind a fake wall. It's a set, right? So you guys were in the other room and I remember like Randall laughing out loud and you guys laughing. But I remember doing it not thinking it was that funny, doing it just being like. That's a weird thing, right?

When you're doing something, you're like, I don't even, I never was laughing or I don't even know how it's funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Normally I think everything's funny and I'm laughing as well. Yeah, sure, yeah. I'm laughing a little bit there too.

But, well, you and I have always really enjoyed like bad acting. I was so, bad acting. Bad acting. No, you don't know that always really enjoyed bad acting. I was so happy. Bad acting. Bad acting. No, you don't know that acting, bad acting. Acting, bad acting is always really, really, really fun. I think that was, and I know that's what I was enjoying

about it too, is like you're really bad inflections. You know what I mean? Like pronouncing, just the weird musicality. Yeah, getting you wrong, like looking at your own hand. And you know, like just like being... Doing a hand and then realizing, what was that? Yeah, he did a hand, he was that okay to do. But yeah, and then like your whole storyline,

I kind of forgot a lot of it, did the the thong thing. Yeah, so funny. Patty's thong. It is so funny. Yeah. And disturbing and great. It's really disturbing. Yeah, but that does feel like the rationale, the character is I'm going to buy, we're going to sell women's underwear, but we're not going to sell them to women. We're going to sell them to men who are going to buy them for their ladies. The visual stimulant. Yes. Yeah. It's not for the ladies,

it's for the man. And then of course Brian Unger who plays the lawyer who we should have on this podcast. Yeah, we really should. He is so, we should ask him. He's so good and is so funny. But, you know, I was watching him being like, I don't know what to talk about with this episode because they don't remember any sort of like funny

things about the Dictals. I can't remember how the Dictal thing in particular. I remember. Okay. My mother came out to visit my two mothers and we were living. It's not how expected that story to start. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we were down at Venice Beach.

And you know, when you walk along Venice Beach or any beach town, really, I'm sure you could find this in Myrtle Beach or Virginia Beach. They have those stores with funny t-shirts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's like all big towns, right? Yeah, Venice Port once got tons of that. And I just remember seeing most beach towns here. And so I just always remember seeing those ridiculous ones with the bikinis. And I don't always be like, who thinks that's funny?

Like, who would ever buy that? And so my, both my mothers come out and, and I'm back at the house and they come back from the beach and they're both wearing them and they're like, and they're like, look at these. This is hilarious. It's the funniest shirt with the bikini lady. Yeah, with the bikini ladies with the large breasts

and my mom would be like, look, I got big tits. I'm like, yep, that's it. That's, that's, there it is. Yeah, that's it. That's it. There it is. And it was funny. I mean, it was funny. So we were talking about that, and then we were like, well, how can we do a version of that in towel form? And I still have the original dictal,

that whole original. So I was explaining it to Dick. I was explaining what I was thinking, where one side would be this and one side would be the other. And so we had to do the math where you folded it over and then it had to fit perfectly. And David just drew it. The first one, just drew it.

I still have it at my house. Okay, I'm thinking to myself, what do people love more than anything else in the world? They love comedy. They do love it. Everybody loves comedy, right? So when I'm funny, I get to do funny. But you gotta have functionality with your comedy, okay?

You can't just go throwing jokes around willy-nilly. Oh, so I did one of those You drew men's buttocks on a towel. Yeah, you get out of the shower in the college dorm They got the butt right people laughing your buddies are laughing and then you get one of these That is big that's a big monster dick. That's huge. That's the biggest dig you ever seen Yeah, that's really that's not how you see yourself. No, that's big. That's a big monster dick. That's huge. That's the biggest dick you've ever seen. Yeah, that's really, that's not how you see yourself. No, that's funny. That is fun. That's fun.

Yeah, people are gonna laugh at that. That's just setup. What is it? For this. Oh, it's a baby dick. Yeah, we're gonna sell a million of these. Well, we asked that facts. We're like, can we sell these?

And they're like, yeah, you guys can. We can't touch it. That's exactly what happened. We went to FX and said, we believe that we have merchandising opportunity. And they were like, oh, cool. Like, what can we do? T-shirts, like patties T-shirts and sunny T-shirts. And we were like, yeah, kind of. But what we really want to do is towel with two dicks on it. And they were like, no. So we go to FX and we say, can we check this out? Yeah, let's merchandise these towels. And they came back and they said, we can't do this.

We just can't do it. But if you guys want to, we're not going to stop you. Which we appreciate. Yeah, that was nice of them. And then we worked with our friends from suburban Ryan. Well, yes, then we thought like, well, okay, this is like, we can do a really funny episode, but really what this will be about is selling dick towels. Yeah.

You know what I mean? For us, like just making a little side money, right? I mean, I did help it. So yes, we went at one point that I'd be, you know, Charlie Day of the Dick Towl fortune. I know, I know. I mean, I'd be perfectly fine with that, you know. Well, like your kids in college and, you know, there's like, what's your dad do? He sells dick towels.

He sells dick towels, yes. So we set up the website, dicktow.com, yeah, dicktow.com. And then, and then we had, it crashed immediately. It crashed only on the East Coast when it aired. Justin and East Coast, the whole site crashed. They were not ready for the traffic.

Which was a bummer because we don't know exactly how many orders we got, but within the first week, do you remember how many dicktails, dicktails we sold? No, I don't. Well, we don't know exactly how many orders we got, but within the first week, do you remember how many dictals we sold? No, I don't. Well, we didn't make a ton of money. Oh, yes. We did.

We did pretty good. We did. We did pretty good. Yes, house. We did. Did you pay me? Once again, Charlie just gets checks and he puts them and they come in and they just sit on his stack at checks. You know?

We made a lot of money from that. A lot of money from that. We sold 50,000 dictals, 50,000 within like three weeks. Do you think if we went on like Shark Tank and we pitched each one of those products, which one do you think that they would want to invest in? The pen, the egg, the Dictal, the shotgun, the song, am I forgetting one?

Is there another one? I don't know. Do you guys watch that show? I can't make it. I cannot figure out their thought process on that show. Somebody will come in with the most amazing product and they're like, I just don't see it. I don't get it.

The thought process is stupid. I'll give you 100 grand and own like 50% of your company. And people are like, oh, that's a good idea. Yes, but the thought process, what I mean when I say I can't figure out the thought process, I can't figure out what it is that qualifies as something that they will be like, I'll give you. Which product do you think would be?

Well, the most successful product was the Dictal. So I think the one that they would pick would probably be Ag, because they're like, well, nobody's gonna wanna buy Dictal. The best of funny thing about businesses, like where some guy goes and or gal makes a fortune on something that, you know, you just don't see, right? Like that's, like, having the vision to see the thing,

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You're the steel. You're the steel. One of my favorite bits is the eating of the contract. Yes. It is very, very funny. You're, the face that you're making, this, the self satisfaction ofatisfaction on your face. About the solve the problem.

Of having solved the problem in that first scene. And us, of course, realizing that you've also solved the problem. And then, of course, at the end, same thing. And then you're still chewing on it. Excuse me, sir. Can I see these supposed documents that you have? Yes. In fact, I happen to have that right here.

Ah! Yeah! I did it! It's still an empty edible. That's the only way to get your face. Yeah, you know, fortunately, I made hundreds of copies of that. Ah!

So, why don't you all have just a nice day. How was the taste of the contract? And of course, you never actually swallowed one, right? I never, never swallowed it, but I also don't remember there ever being prop paper. I think it was just a piece of paper that I ate. Yeah, it doesn't taste like anything. It's just paper.

Just paper. Prop paper is paper. Yeah. That's right. It doesn't have any. It's from sort of rice-based paper that they, I don't know, like maybe- They could actually eat it.

Yeah, it seems, that seems like something that a real show would have, wouldn't it? I don't know how many real shows have people eating contracts. Yeah. Just like some lawyer show where it's like, well, some of them are one and it's the case in the end.

We had a real show. We had a lot of non-speaking featured actors that were not background in the episode. And one of which, I just think we remember being in the scene, the young woman that Frank brings in. Brenda. Yeah. And where everybody's talking

and she doesn't say anything. And I remember her saying, like, I think I should say something here and Our response wasn't No, you shouldn't it was we can't afford it. Yeah, we can't pay you the extra that it costs and it for people who don't know this like The second a character has a line you their their pay goes way way way way up and I remember being like she should say something This is ridiculous. In fact, they're just dead silent.

It wasn't that we, it wasn't even that we couldn't afford it. It was that we hadn't budgeted for it. Yes. So we couldn't afford it. For everybody on the set. It would have been an overage. Yeah, you can't do it. And we already had guest cast speaking guest cast in the show,

Brian. The guy. Are we young enough to not know that we could be like, yeah, we'll just do it. Oh, now he would do it. Yeah, yeah. And I just go ahead and say something and then we'll figure out where to save the money. Somewhere else. Yeah. The other woman who DNI bring in to, she plays a prostitute and it's our form of payment. Okay. It was on a reality show with like Axel Rose. Come like, On a reality show with like Axel Rose called like love is a love is a rose or love is an axle For the love of an axle

I don't know what the show was called. It was like a VH1 real yeah, that's right. Yeah, I forgot about that I don't remember what it was though. Was it was something kind of a dating show though? Yeah, I think he was like choosing who to be his next wife. I don't know. I don't know what it was. Weird. That seems weird. I don't know. Was it maybe not Axel Rose? Maybe it was, oh no, there was like a Michael's.

Brett Michaels. Brett Michaels. I did it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he did do. He did have a reality show. It was like, give me, give me love. That's what it was. I think that's what it was.

Give me it. I don't know. I think that maybe you're thinking that way. Do they sing every rose has its thorn? Is that Brett Michael? It's not poison. Yeah. Is that Brett Michael? Yeah, that's, that might have been what they're doing.

That's what you're thinking. That's why you're thinking actually rose because he sings that song. Every rose has its thorn. Yeah. Rose rock stars. I don't know. Clam rock. But Axel Rose is in a different category.

I mean, I know what you mean. In terms of the file system in your brain, I get why you put repb ankles and Axel Rose in the same category that does make sense, but they're drastically different. Yes, it's performance, of course. Yes, I'm saying. But Axel Rose top five voices in the history of rock and roll.

Yes, yes. Top five voices in the history of rock and roll. Yes. Yes. Top five voices in the history of rock and roll. No. Top 10. Top 10. In the top 10. So distinct. When you hear his voice, like if you hear Brett Michael saying, yeah, he's got a good. Top 10 of all rock and roll. Well, what's the criteria? Are you saying like, no, he rocks. Wow. Wow. He's consistent, but you know, when you hear his voice, you know it's him.

It's distinct. Okay, but having it distinct. But not in the way that like, by the way, like Bob Dylan has a distinct voice, but you wouldn't say, you wouldn't say, yeah, yeah, it's like a, I mean, a traditionally great voice. Right. As in like, he can't hit the notes and he sometimes sounds like he's singing straight through his nose. And that inocent, delivery is what makes him also what makes him great,

but you wouldn't classify that as, like, a traditionally great voice. Yes. So as we know, you terms of like range and ability, you mean like, yeah, I mean, yes, very impressive voice. No, no, it doesn't have a, doesn't it have a lot of, maybe top 10? Sure, sure. Sure, if that's what you, that's the criteria, yeah, I mean, yes, very impressive voice. No, no, it doesn't have a, it doesn't have a, maybe top 10. Sure.

Sure. That's what, that's the criteria, yeah. Sir, yeah, certainly when it comes to like rock and roll. Yeah, like, like, who else? Maddle. This is, I think this is brown. James Brown. James Brown.

So just talking like singers, period. Or are we talking about rock and roll? That's so one R and B, which I guess you could fit into the same category. That shit is rock and roll, man. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, no, he was. The suit is incredible.

I mean, I got a, like a wreath of Franklin, you wouldn't call that. I got a man in a wreath of Franklin. Or just the dudes. Oh, okay, okay, all right. Yeah, listen, what's the name? What's the name? And I think Axel Rose gets bumped out,

but if we want to go just, okay, let's go, Matt. Let's go, Matt. My favorite rock vocalist though is, and oh God, what's her name? From Heart, the vocalist from Heart. Okay, I think she is the most incredible rock vocalist of all time, personally. I think her voice is unbelievable.

Have you ever heard her do like Zeppelin songs? It's way better than her I've ever planned. I'm sorry, she fucking do like Zeppelin songs? It's way better than her other plant. I'm sorry. She fucking slays Zeppelin. Now, are you adding into the mix like Mariah Carey and the like, that's pop. That's pop. That's not rock.

I'm thinking just voices that rock. Voices that rock. Well, I got, listen, I mean, I also got. Is rock, the hardcore, well, I would just sing just rock and rolls. And Wilson post like 90s. It's done. I thought this would be fun. But it is fun. It's too much. It's too big a category. Even people know what he fucking's ever heard. And Wilson, nobody's on the list. Of course, I've heard heart. It's just, yeah, I, you can see you can read the comments now. Yeah, you should have said

that. I listen. Yeah. I mean have said that. I listen, yeah. I mean, I got to shout out to my boy Mike Patton, Tomahawk is a Mike Patton project. He is widely considered, no, listen, in rock circles, he is widely considered to be one of, but probably the top three greatest rock vocalists of all time. Easily. And by many, number one, hands down in rock circles. All right. Ask people

in the business like like the general public that a lot of people don't really appreciate or understand what it is that he's doing. But if you're in the business you can you can see what he's doing and be like. I guess what I was what I was looking for was like a robust conversation that everybody could jump into where you're like who's the best basketball player of all time? It would be like Lebron James, Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, and you're like Sam Buie is one of the most well respected. Just to Pete Marivitz, exactly. I'm not going to dispute it, but at the same time, it's the thing with superlatives, man.

You think it's tough, it's tough. Well, at least there's a metric with sports, right? Even like, well, this person has the most champion jets of points. Like with music, how? It's subjective. Because I listen to Axel Rosen, I find it kind of grading, you know what I mean?

But I get it. I understand why you say that. I understand why people like it. But I don't see as big of a distinction between guns and roses. Now I'm gonna get fucking crucified for this. And I know this, but that's okay. I don't see as big of a distinction between guns and roses, now I'm gonna get fucking crucified for this and I know this, but that's okay. I don't see as big of a distinction between guns and roses and like poison as some people

do. To me, it's kind of, no, that's not true. Now, there's definitely better, there's definitely much, much better in my opinion, but I don't know, it's just that it's still not my thing. Well, where I made the overlap was just in fashion, look and feel. You know, I mean, we're going the same, they're shopping at the same place. Okay.

They were for a long period of time. Yes, they're getting their hair done by the same dude. And, you know what I mean? And they're all having sexual relations with the same women. Yes, yes, yes. Right, across a round. Around, around the country. We're yes, yes. Right across a round. A round lost. A round the country.

We're talking about Brett Michaels and Axler Rose. Sure. If you were a member of Molly Crew and a member of Poison and a member of GNR, when you would travel around the world, you would run into the same group of. Yeah. Like, you take those two dudes. Is that true? I don't know this to be true.

I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not disputing it. I'm saying I don't know what I'm set. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm not disputing it. I'm saying I don't know what I'm saying. No. You're saying late 1980s, Pam Anderson was hanging around both concerts, potentially. You're going on a world tour. And you're in a glam band, a glam rock band, and you're going to Detroit and you're going to scotch-worn and you're going to Detroit and you're going to scotch you on and you're

going to Germany and the people that are buying the tickets to go to those concerts and the ones that are trying to get backstage are the same are the same are the same. Okay, I got you're saying you're saying the people that are going to the poison concerts the same people that are going to the Motley crew concerts. Yeah, people going to G and R. I'm saying that there was a syphilis was introduced into the group and it was introduced into the group and it was passed by the same people around it. It started with one.

There was a patient zero. Sure. And it could have been a member of the crew. Cifilus Susie, let's call it. You went to the group, I went to one of the band members. One of the band members, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Well, this has been great. You know, like, this has been great. You know, like, this is a tire episode. You know, like, on sports talk radio, like, that's all they do. They have a whole business that's revolved around just talking about, like, who is the best type of guy? Give us your top five. I don't want to anymore. Yeah.

I was just starting to like, like, top five glam rock voices. like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, We use a heart song alone on the show all the time. Yeah. I think she's one of the greatest, I think she's one of the greatest rock vocalists of all time. I think she blows all those people that you named out of the fucking water. She's incredible.

Okay. And look at the comments. Look at the comments, because the only people that are gonna comment are people that actually understand no music and listen to a lot of music and we'll look at this and go, finally somebody's recognizing Ann Wilson.

Those are the comments. It's not going to be like, that's Wilson. Ann Wilson's not as good as fucking Axel Rose. None of the comments will say that Axel Rose is better than Ann Wilson and Jason. I'm going to go out right now and say, I will not read the comments on this because they will be exhausting. Yeah. Exhausting.

I know that that's partly that. Yes. But I do want this to be an interesting conversation. The same person that would say Ann Wilson would say Tim Duncan is the greatest basketball player of all time and you go because while he's consistent, he but it's not a part of the fun. Duncan, I mean, it's in his name. I would say.

Terrible joke. Um, but I would say that amongst amongst like sports nerds, that is the conversation. If you're gonna have a conversation with somebody who's a music nerd like me, you're gonna get, you're not gonna get, like, oh, you know who's the greatest fucking vocalist of all time is like the lead singer of, I can't even think of like a popular band.

But then sometimes you gotta be like, but where is popular? A popular play into the metric, right? Because that's a part of it, right? Let's say you're naming the greatest band of all time, right? And someone says the Beatles, right? And you're like, no way, dude, Mr. Bungle is way better than the Beatles, right?

Well, right. He got, at some point you have to take six. They are, by the way. Look, go ahead. Uh, no. At some point you have to take success into the equation, right? It's got to play in it's, I don't know, it's a, I don't know, it's all subjective, right? It's all subjective.

Yeah, that's the thing. That's, again, like you were saying with sports, like you can, you can quantify like the number of points that are going to exist. There's some guy, maybe some legend of like street basketball, right? Who like, exactly, that's the point on that. Make a hoop from everywhere, but. But you can't equate. You can't see the better Michael, Michael Jordan.

But yeah, because you can't equate that guy to Ann Wilson of heart, you know what I mean? Like that band was huge. The band was huge. They weren't as big as Guns and Roses, but they were huge. Like, in other words, she's not like somebody. I hear you, maybe it's almost about when it was introduced.

Meaning like, it would be, I just keep bringing back to sports because this is what people do in sports talk radio and people find it fascinating. You're talking about like Michael Jordan, you're talking about LeBron James, you're talking about Larry Bird, you're talking about Will Chamberlain. If you were close to my idea. You're talking about like, well no, I mean in the beginning of the conversation. Yes. And then someone comes in and says, yes, but you're not thinking about Tim Duncan,

the most consistent player of all time. And then you get into that part of the conversation. But there's no way in, if you start from my perspective, if you stime me from the very beginning by being like, you're thinking about it all wrong, but we haven't even gotten to that point. That attention in the room today.

But you stime me. You're too free. I was too free this month. I didn't see it. Maybe that's part of the problem. I'm a self-free. Yeah, you're not free now. I'm too free this month. I didn't buy on that. Maybe that's part of the problem I haven't felt free enough You're not free now. I don't know. It's good enough free enough to take in the information These are the hard questions. These are the things that the listener at home must know

You know is mr. Bungle better than the Beatles, you know, they're so different They're so different Compare you know we can in the same yes poor compare. In the same, yes. In the same, for the same reason, you could say Steph Curry might not be the greatest basketball player of all time, but he's the greatest three point shooter of all time. No doubt.

And then somebody else might say, no, it's Reggie Miller. And yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's a whole multi-billion dollar business based on people just fighting about this kind of stuff. And maybe we're just not that. But no, it's interesting. But it is interesting to me that like, you were talking about rock vocalists and I through

in a name, I threw somebody's hat in the ring and the UQ is me if stymying the conversation. Yes. Like, I went with what you were saying. Like, you know what I mean? He's just saying. I mean, I understand what you're saying. But do you understand the point? I mean, I understand the point you're making.

I just disagree. It's very provocative to throw a name in who's not a household name as the second person. But because she is a household name is what I'm saying. She is a household name. If you, I couldn't even think of her name. You know, you couldn't think of her name. I've heard of the name part.

But if you asked, I just be an entire audience who's the lead singer of heart. Again, no offense. She's not way. He'd less people would know who Ann Wilson is than then then Axel Rose. Yes. Yes. Oh, so satisfied with yourself. You make me sick today. That's the sound of a brand new sale on Shopify, aka the moment someone's business stream just became a reality. Not only someone's business stream, our business stream. That's right.

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Yeah. We call Z. Ernie the Bar Fly. Do you have any memories of working with him? Now, when he popped up in the video, I started, because you don't really see a much in the episode until the video that you play at the end, at the convention. And I was like, wait, did we shoot this earlier?

Because in my memory, he passed away season three. But I guess, I guess. Yeah. So it kind of threw me for a loop that we cut to him. I think we shot the whole season with him, and then he passed away, right? Yeah, after the season was shot. Yeah.

Yeah, I wasn't gonna see. And didn't we, what we called him Z? That was his nickname, Z. Oh, in real life. Yeah, in real life. Oh, yes, yes. Because it was the last name. We have a character, a name. Yeah, yeah. Yes. But we nickname, Z. Oh, in real life. Yeah, in real life. Oh, yes, yes. Because it was the last name. We have a character, a name.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. But we call them Z. No, I just remember him being overall just a pretty lovely, lovely dude and a total trip. And I kind of regret not hearing more stories from him. Because he was a doctor by aliens. Sure.

He was. Well, according to him. Yeah, all right. So he told you this story? Yes. All right, tell the story. He was a,, according to him. Yeah, all right. So he told you this story? Yes. All right, tell the story. He was a, well, as he probed, we didn't get into the specifics of a bit of a lot of things.

He was taken, he was taken, he was out in the desert and, and he had a palm desert. He was out there. Yeah, he was probably. I don't think he was aliens from Water Probe, Probe. Yeah. I love the guy. You don't know what the aliens from Water Probe, problems. I love the guy with me. You don't know what the kind you probe.

Well, aliens now, aliens, they don't see things the way you see them, right? They may say him and be like, that's what I want. That's what I want. Hot is a hot. It's a gas gun there. I got to probe this guy bad. I probed him for you, man.

I was probing him for you. I knew you would want to see what was in there. Yeah, yeah, didn't do it for me. I prob was probably for you. I knew you would wanna see what was in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, didn't do it for me. I programmed for you. He told me the story and it was one of those things where you don't know if somebody is making a joke, how'd this match him? He was out in the desert.

All he remembers is seeing a lot of lights and then he was there, man, he was there. He was, and I was like, where? And he was like, I was with them.? And he was like, I was with them. On the show. Yeah, I was with them. Well, he didn't say it was a ship. He just said he was in another place.

Okay, so let me tell you what happened. He did as many of us do. He went out into the desert and he had some peyote or he had some mushrooms or acid. And then was abducted by aliens. As many of us have been when we're high on acid. Or, motherfucker was abducted by aliens and that's why he is the way that he is.

He scrambled up in the ship and they brought him back, they sent him back, but when they, you know. He was never the same. Yeah, like it just parts and add back up. Again, that is something that also was a result of taking high amounts of LSD as well. Yeah, you know, you come back, you're never the same. No, you're not. Yeah.

He said it was all over all the positive experience. He didn't remember a lot of it, but he was there and he said it, and now he's back. Do you guys know anybody personally who claims to have been abducted by aliens and and can speak other than him you know and i don't but i mean

i'm not ruling it out seems absurd to totally rule it out all its totally absurd i'm agnostic when it comes to aliens highly possible i'm gonna rule it out. We're just based on logic as we understand it now, but we don't understand shit. That's the thing, right?

We don't even know that. That's the man's killing us, dude. Yeah, you didn't even know that. We're eating vegetables. Like a bunch of fucking... You didn't even know that. I'm into it. I'm into the idea of it.

I love it. But there's some plants out there that if they're not aliens, then I don't know what is. So what, what, what, why did you guys make the transition from, or maybe you haven't, I don't know, but to, to being afraid of ghosts and not wanting to be confronted by a ghost, to really, desk-a-wanting, C-1, yeah. I know.

There are still times at 46 where I lay in bed, and I hear a noise in the house, and I know it's not some intruder, and I'm hoping to God I go down there. There's more probable the you are spirit to be rummaging around in your ghost or the alien. I think the I say alien Alien good question. Aliens you don't know realizing can I just stop down for once again? You know what I'm realizing we need Meg here We need Meg here so bad We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to.

We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to.

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We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. We didn't have to. There was there's one joke in the episode that I would also like to bring up and I remember thinking was really really funny when we were shooting it was the you spying spying on the on the trying to spy on the lawyer but catching a woman. He didn't sleep at your door yet. Yeah. So you sounded that lawyer secretary? No, and I don't know why you think we're going to catch him having an affair. I mean the guy's wife is really hot.

No, she's not. And also why does he turn her picture away from him? So he doesn't have to look at her face. Why are we in the shady motel where we saw him go in? I'm telling you he's he's banging that secretary. No, no, it just doesn't add up She's an attractive lady. It's not attractive. Oh my god. What the woman in the room right next to him She just ate an entire sleeve of tips of hoi Charlie Could you focus on the lawyers room, please? We're not here to blackmail a lady for eating too many cookies.

And then she asked if she is a big woman and you said, oh, she's huge. Oh, yeah, yeah, she's huge. Which I found funny, I don't know. She's eating entire sleeves of chipsahoy. It's gonna catch up to you. Let's be done with this, okay? Yeah, this is out of control.

Yeah, this is out of control. Where is Meg? Where is Meg? I don. Yeah. This is out of control. Yeah, this is out of control. Where is Meg? I don't know. She is. Humphrey. Somewhere. Are they on vacation?

They're doing a thing. I don't know what they're doing. She told me. She told me the word. She told you exactly where she was going. And I got what I needed. Her Humphrey. And she.

Okay. Oh, that's pretty big deal. Tomorrow. Uh. Well, this will air much in her birthday. Okay. Oh, that's pretty big deal. Tomorrow. Well, this will air much after her birthday. Somebody sent me a review. I haven't read a review of Sunny. I don't even know that they do reviews of Sunny. Do they?

They, some, Langrave sent me something. And it just made me feel really good. What was it, could tell me? Yeah, let's hope. I'll reach the first one. This is good. This is just, let's end on something that feel, it just feels nice, you know? Hey guys, let's end on something that feels nice.

It just feels nice, you know? Hey guys, season 16 is out. This is exciting. We worked very hard on this. We worked very hard on this. I'm excited for people to finally see what we did. I hope they like it. I read this right before I went to sleep and I thought, you know, it's always a, it's a mix

bag. You don't want to look for too much external validation, but when you get it, you know, it's nice. It's nice. It is nice. Quote. It's truly remarkable that after 16 seasons, not only does it always sunny in Philadelphia still remain hilarious and weird, but that it never feels like it's just going through the motions

despite all this time. It's always sunny in Philadelphia remains one of the funniest, strangest, and most unpredictable shows, even after 18 years. And it's this type of longevity and brilliance that will make it go down as one of the great sitcoms of all time. I'll take that any day.

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