The Always Sunny Podcast - The Gang Solves the Gas Crisis

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

Men are back.

Now, I noticed the gas prices on the way in today. Did you? Yeah, you're too loud. You're too hot, buddy. Too hot, coming in real hot, real hot. Well, now they've turned me down, turned me back up. I just came in hot. Yep.

I came in hot because I wanted to start the show. Gas prices are high everywhere. Gas prices are high. Because them oil men have been harassing them prices up. Been hustling and harassing. I like when we find episodes, it seems like every episode still is just as applicable today as it was in 2008. Well, shit don't change, as they say, because we won't change.

Human beings will refuse to change and learn. It's so fascinating last night just to watch the news. And maybe it's just because I'm an old man now, but I see the same stories that were told in 2008, people talking about recession and they can't. And it's just the same thing. It's just the same thing that's happening. A bubble was blown and a bubble is burst.

And people can't believe it. They just can't believe it. It's never going to go back. It's never going to go back. It can't. This one's different. Explain to me why the prices of gas have to go up. I understand the shortage issues.

I understand the war. I understand the pipeline access issues. But why do the prices actually have to go up? Give me money. It's right. It's simply that, right? Isn't it that it's going to? Well, that leads into our next guest.

Paul Krugman is going to be coming on and talk about macroeconomics. You've got that wrong guy. Why don't you back off that mic? Why don't you back off that mic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm coming in excited. It's got to just be greed, right?

It's like, man, we're going to take a big financial hit here if we keep selling gas at the same price. So what we'll do is we won't take that hit. We'll raise the price. We'll lay off a bunch. Greed? I'm thinking greed in the oil business. I'm thinking a touch of greed here.

Wait a second. Human beings? Now, here's the thing, though. You guys have seen the documentary, The Corporation, correct? I have not. No. The Corporation.

It was a documentary back in 2003. Rob, I think you and I watched it together. You think I remember shit from 2003? Well, this documentary did a really good job of kind of explaining the sort of inherent problem with the corporation in general is that it's got to continue to the profit to grow.

It's a living order. It has to feed. It has to grow. Yes. Oh, by law, it has to grow. So no matter what the prices are or how horrible it is for the consumers, whatever they have to do to keep making incrementally higher profits

every year, that's literally its purpose as a corporation. It's a monster that we've created that needs to be slain. A what? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Back off your socialist agenda here, you libtard. You left. Leftist thug.

Corporations are gods. We've got to tear it down. If we tear it down, we don't have a television show, bud. Guys, we had it under control. We have. I don't want to have a television show. I don't want to have a television show. But you're looking great today, I have to say.

Yeah, why the sunnies? Why the duster? I'm just, you know, in one of those moods where you just want to wrap yourself in a warm duster and throw on some sunglasses because you're just not fully awake and you just got to, you know, hide from the world a little bit while also looking awesome. Yeah.

I want to say point out to fans that this is the actual duster that was actually on the show. I got it from Sabrina Rosen, who's our head of costumes, head of wardrobe, and she pulled it out of storage for us. So that's the one. Charlie, I did also ask if we could get your oil man costume from this episode, but they couldn't pull it in time for me.

But oh, god, this episode is a bolo tie. There are so many memes from this episode, both outside in the world, in the comedy community, and just the general public, and also within us and our little inside joke meme system that we have. Did you notice a few of those, Glenn, Charlie? No. No.

What are you talking about? What's inside joke meme? What is it? But the things we say amongst ourselves, like in the office or whatever, so what was one of them? One of them would be, that is what happened. That is what happened. That is what happened. Charlie said, yes, you guys were saying something

about how my bossiness was confused for braininess. That is what happened. And Charlie goes, that is what happened. We've said that amongst each other as an inside joke for 20 years. There's a lot of good things about this episode. I mean, actual car crashes. Yeah.

Zack Nighton. Zack explosions. Yep. The slow and eventual total and complete destruction of his Honda Accord or whatever the hell car that was is so funny. The guy that plays random guy is one of our closest friends, Zack Nighton, who is currently on Magnum PI and moves to Hawaii.

And we'll never see him again because I don't know that he's ever coming back. He's so he's such a Hawaii guy. I mean, what could there have been a better gig for Zack Nighton than a gig that takes place in Hawaii? I don't think so. Yeah. So right.

So the random guy, have you noticed how poor the visual effects were in this episode? No. Oh, they're terrible. You mean the fireballs? The fireballs? I thought the fireballs were great. The fireballs are fantastic.

Fireballs look great. The fireballs are fantastic. The green, I'm talking about the green screen. Some of the key ends in the van. You mean like me jumping out of the back of the van? Oh, just awful. The street or whatever. Just awful.

Oh, and nobody's looking at the background when that happens. Everybody's just staring at you, facing wild card pitches. Yeah, but then you jump out. Your eyes, my eyes drawn to it. I don't know what you're talking about. I jumped out of a moving van, man. I don't know what you're talking about. I thought you're spoiling this for me now.

I really thought you guys did a stunt there. I think that's fair. Maybe my memory is, yeah, my memory is this. No, he jumped out of a moving van and he went full Tom Cruise. He broke his ankle and kept going. Have any of you ever jumped out of a moving car? No. No.

I mean, you know, I've jumped out of the car as it's coming to a stop, but that's not what you're asking. I've jumped off of a moving train, but it was moving so slowly. Oh, really? Yes. I don't even know that I rolled. I think we just hopped off.

I've jumped out of a cab and booked it before. Yeah. Oh, sort of like a dash situation. Yeah. So as to not pay for something. Yes. I can tell you the time it happened. It wasn't a common practice, but I was at a notable composer,

Cormac Bluestone's apartment in New York. And I'd taken the subway back to mine. It was about 4 AM. And I got to my apartment and realized I'd left my keys at Cormac's. And the trains run so slow at that time. And I probably was inebriated. I said, all right, I'm going to hop a cab back,

but I knew I didn't have any money. So I hopped the cab back up towards Cormac's neighborhood, just being like, all right, when is the moment where I go firing out of this cab and just book it? And then I waited for like a one-way road that I knew the cab couldn't go up. And then I took off. And the guy didn't even fucking.

He didn't even bat an eye. Or he was like, I fucking knew it, probably, you know. This little scumbag. But now I don't do that. Now I don't have to do that. No, you can afford to pay the cab. I can pay the cab. Yeah, that's good.

I know, but it's still fun to steal food from the mouths of, you know, the family. It is. It is. You know what I mean? It's just the vomit out of his box. Well, now I'm an over-tipper, you know. I always make it up for that.

Did you guys notice that the woman, who doesn't say anything, but she's actually quite funny, who you are playing as the oilman. Did you recognize that actor? She is on a very. Now, I didn't look this up, so I'm just guessing. But let's see if I let's see if I'm right. She's on a very big television show right now, and she's she's great in the show, and she stands out in the show.

I don't know. I didn't know if I'm wrong about this. We'll cut that cut that or Meg will keep it in. But I I'm almost sure she has a very specific look. She had a familiar looking face for sure. Let's pop it up on the screen for them. But why didn't you have any lines? Was she an extra? Did we cut her lines?

Don't know. She may have been background because we couldn't afford to. We were we were terrible about that back in the day. We were like, we could probably get away with doing this without the actor actually saying words because the second they say the second they say one line, yeah, you have to pay them more. Way more significantly more. Malora Hart.

OK, now and it looks like she's been in a bunch of anime as a voice. OK, I don't see actress. I don't know, Rob. Is she on the show succession? Oh, you think that won't? No, that's not the same one. Even if I'm wrong, which I could absolutely be. You are. Can we do a side?

Can we do a side by side? I know the woman you think you know the one I'm talking about. And you know the woman in the. Yeah, there's a there's a similarity to their looks. They don't they don't look alike, man. They look exactly the same. It's the same person. She changed her name. They they don't even look even a little to me.

I know I see what you see, Rob, for sure. Oh, my God. Get the fuck out of here. You guys are nuts. Look at this woman's face. OK, now go back to the other one. Now, this is 10 years ago. Oh, my God, it's the same person. You guys are great.

Now, similar. OK. Yeah. All right. I see I see similar. I see I see a I see a similarity. Same, not the same. Same. Well, yeah, not the same. But I do see some similarity there. Similar creeps, creeps, creeps. I'm going to meet you.

Well, we'll put a side by side and they look very similar, but not not the same. You know, like she changed her name. It is the same person. This is a fun little diversion. What are the odds that Malora so and so just disappeared? And then on the scene comes this woman, Jeannie Berlin. Oh, are you confessing to a crime?

By the shout out to Sonny Lee and Pat Walsh, who are credited on on this episode for some writing and very, very funny guys. Yeah, definitely. If an episode you hear that gets meamed quite a bit because there are people who try to do this all the time in real life. Yeah, resell gas. Oh, yeah. Yeah, they get busted reselling the gas.

I like when there's just enough logic to the plot, you know, we're like, OK, it's stupid, but I could see why they're thinking about doing it. That is what the industry does. The industry, the industry, the gasoline industry. Sure, creates the gasoline, has a supply, waits for the demand to go up and then adjust the prices accordingly. Yeah. And then.

So it's funny how they how they determine those things, you know, so that there's like literally a guy who's like, all right, it's going to be point three cents higher today. So, you know, the guy's got to get up there and he's got to change the sign. You know, he's got he's got his little he's got his ladder and he's like, he doesn't get, you know, he's like, what is this? Really, point three cents, you know, or whatever. It's it's bizarre.

Rob, you worked at the gas station. Do you ever have to change the sign? I did. No, we never did. And this this was a time that there was it was not digital signs. In fact, I don't still even 2023 don't see a lot of 2022. I don't see a lot of digital signs. I think it's a lot of going out there with the big stick. I never had to do that.

But I do remember it never being more than 99 cents. Now, this was 1994, but it was never more than 99 cents. And I remember everybody in Philadelphia saying, if this thing goes to a dollar, yeah, we're fucked. Mine was two dollars. If it goes past two dollars by the time I was driving, that's what could never go past. Here we are. It's seven dollars a gallon.

Now, none of us would know because we're off the grid. We're off the grid. We're socially responsible. What's wrong with you creeps? Still buy gas. Yeah, you don't care about the environment. You don't have to get a test. There's a lot of options, you know what I mean?

Mm hmm. We'll suck off that grid, whatever. Lots of lots of brands. Yeah, go get yourself some solar panels and a Tesla power wall. Ride a bike. Everyone can afford this stuff, right? Yeah, get out of the bike. Yeah. Why aren't you sold or get creep? Yeah, get solar creeps.

Yeah. The solar companies are itching like a hound dog to give you something. They're itching like a hound. We don't believe in the sun here, you know. We believe in the earth and its elements. I love that you do that accent in the in the in the episode. Like that is an accent that I still hear actors do when they play southern people that it's just does not exist anymore.

It is not an accent that is that actually exists in a real human being. No one talks like that. Like it's literally people watching Foghorn Leghorn, Foghorn Leghorn. That's how people talk in the style. Wait, are you saying that people don't have accents in the south or don't have that accent? No, no, I'm saying they don't sound like that. They their accent doesn't sound like that.

Yeah, that's a cartoon. Yeah, that's a cartoon of it. That's not even yeah, it's an exaggeration. It's also just it's just it's just not an accent that people have anymore. I do think that like, you know, it's just kind of like it's kind of like that thing that Kevin Spacey was doing on on House of Cart. What was the name of that show? House of Cards? House of Cards.

Like that is also an accent that a lot of actors do. They play that sort of genteel, southern gentleman who talks like this. And it's like, dude, there hasn't been a a gentleman in the south who talks like that since the fucking 1920s. Like it's just it's not an accent that exists anymore. I mean, you there's a man that's grandfather. Yeah, kind of. Papa Jamie pretty much talked like that.

And how old was Papa Jamie? He was he was all. Yeah, it's just that whatever you did in the past, possibly speak like that. But then that was spread via cartoon character. And then from there, people who who did not grow up in the south assume that that would might be the accent and then just sort of. Propagate, that's what you're suggesting.

That is what I'm suggesting. Yeah, somebody Sam. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, what a good and authentic accent. But you can say the same thing about Bugs Bunny, who was doing Groucho Marx and people did speak that like that at a time. But we don't now now you don't have actors playing northerners doing a Groucho Marx. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's person by person, right?

I'm sure there's somebody in Texas who talks like this, right? But they're probably older and I don't know. Like the same of the Boston accent, you hear people like really lay on the Boston accent thick and most people like have like a little bit of it and they're dropping their arms a little bit. And then you run into that one guy where it's just like thick as can be. But just so just so we're being clear, I'm not even talking about the extremeness of the accent.

There are people in the south that have very strong, strong accents. They just don't sound like that. You know, they just sound different from that. But, you know, it's the kind of thing that you like, you know, I grew up in the south. So I maybe have a more of a refined ear for it, you know, just like you would a little bit more nuance to you. You're just going out of your way to say my bad accent was bad. That's what I'm picking up on.

Like I feel like you're I feel like you're jumping through hoops to come down on you to come down on the accent. And like, listen, I know it was a cartoon accent. No, I know you do. I know. I know. That's why it's funny. That's I like that you do that. And and but that's why I also, you know, I threw in the I see that I see your gestures. I mean, I look sunglasses and you duster and your judgments on accents. I say, I say, I'm offended.

How are you guys doing these days? Money wise, I'm good. Are you asking us for money, Rob? Well, recently, I thought I don't know how long this bear market's going to go on for. So I should start a little side hustle to stay afloat. And that S&P is hitting you hard, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I turned to our friends at Shopify and I got to say, I've never known success like this.

Your Wikipedia does describe you as a businessman in the opening line. So I thought that you was OK. Well, they probably got wind of my Shopify. And that's why they that's why they wrote that in there. Now, you're doing crazy business on there, Rob, crazy profit margins. What are we talking about? All green candles, buddy, to the moon. That sounds like true unbridled success to me.

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Which is so clearly Guajino. Yeah, yeah, that's Guajino's, yeah. How many scenes have we shot in Guajino's at that point? Two, three? Uh, yeah, I think a couple, at least. In the that's one of the best scenes from top to bottom. I think that's in the show. This is a strange bank.

This is a strange. Your boss is a woman. Now this is a strange. It's the idea that we went in there knowing it was going to be a man. We knew that's why we. But then, okay, fine, right. It's a new world. We're progressive.

We get it. But your boss, we need to talk to him. Yeah, I talked to that guy. One of my favorite things we ever did was like the three of us sitting across or four or five of us sitting across from a desk from someone who is a sane person who is dealing with basically insane people. And this is a particularly good version of it. Yeah.

And that actor is so wonderful because whenever we find when we find that straight person, sometimes they're not funny and she was really funny. So her reactions were great. Lots of things came out of this. It's a little tiny thing, but I think he'll understand more better. Yeah. Is that the first time you said it? I think that's so funny.

He's going to understand. Yeah, wait. It insults her intelligence while speaking and with foreground. Yes. Right, right. But we got it under control. We got it all under control. It's just, you know, our way of continuing to signal to the audience

that these are not good people. There's not educated people, you know, and yet they act superior. The more better thing, though, has become one of my favorite runners of your characters on the show. I did want to talk about one thing, you guys, which is this. Just the concept of three guys popping their shirts off in a bank to try to get a loan. Yeah, it's a really good idea.

The such a funny build in this scene of you, because you set up the whole thing about the wild card and now you're getting on each other's case about like stepping on each other's toes while you're at the bank. And then it culminating with which one of us do you want to take you in the back and bang you with your shirts off like this? Out of the three of us. Out of the three of us.

Who's it going to be? And then you guys flexing for. So I want to talk about this because this is how many years ago now. So this episode would have come out in what? Two thousand and eight. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel about this being out there in the worlds? Would you take these bodies back?

Is this have you improved upon since then? I would like to go ahead and point out that if we were doing this to you, it would be wildly unacceptable. So let me just go ahead and point out the hypocrisy. That being said, you did this. I didn't ask you to do this. No, but I mean, if we pulled up a picture of you from 15 years ago, and we said, how do you feel about this body here?

You know, like, you know, this would be frowned upon. But I feel great. I would, I would kill, I would kill for that physique. I do like your. Actually, I wouldn't kill for it. I wouldn't even, I would barely even go to the gym for it. Barely in just your diet one bit. Yeah, I'm going to live my life, man.

This was, I do remember this being the sort of year that I started noticing myself, you know, gaining a little weight around the middle, which is something that I just genetically hadn't been able to do prior to this season. Then all of a sudden I was like, oh, no, my body's changing. You guys look great. I think I look, I think, I think I am in better shape now than I was then, but it differs from month to month. However, I think I'm healthier than I was then, because that was still an era

of coffee and cigarettes all day long. However, my skin is what, 12 years, 13 years old. What is it? Oh, Christ, 14 years older. And skin, there's just nothing you can do about it. The sun, fuck, we've established we, Glenn, you hate the sun, right? I did. You hate the sun, pisses you off, it destroys your skin. I'll say your skin now looks, it actually looks pretty good.

It's a little, it's a little, you've, you've had enough work done to where I'm looking at that rubbery glow. Yeah. Lasers. Oh, so one thing I'm doing at the end of this scene. Is moving your pecs around. I'm trying to move my, which I think I can still, yeah, I can still do that. But I give her a look.

Now, earlier in the, in the episode, there's a really funny scene that was making me laugh of that's so simple and stupid of Charlie just giving looks, just giving expressions. Trying to find what the wild card face is. Trying to find what the wild card face is. And it was just really funny. And on the day it was just Charlie just making faces. And so at the end of this scene, I try to make my sexiest face to her.

Right about here. Now, that's good, but just trying to, just trying to also like. I'm doing this. And Charlie's laugh, Charlie. Look, if you pause it right at this time code, Charlie is laughing. Am I laughing? Yeah, Charlie's laughing, but look at the body. It looks great, but you're laughing.

Am I laughing at the game? Yeah, go to one frame right before. And before we cut out, I probably laughing right there. You see it. You see it transition. You see it transition. You guys are enjoying it. It's funny.

It's funny. The, the, I like the, that sort of insecure, slightly insecure, flexing. Yeah, that we're all doing. Is this cool? Everyone's trying to do the posture that they think makes their body look best. Right, right, right, right, right. To get alone, to get gasoline. Wait, do you guys remember this conversation?

There was somebody put body makeup on. I can't remember who it was. Was it me or Glenn? It was definitely going to be one of you guys. Who's tan? Yeah, it was you. It was you, Rob. I mean, I always have my always farmer's tansom.

Glenn's got his farmer's tansom. And so does Charlie. Dude, I have like, you put on, you put on body makeup. I think I, I never remember talking about it there and saying, wait, I thought, because it was one of those situations where the makeup department was like, I think Glenn wears body makeup when he takes a shirt off from time to time. And which is not, which is not weird. You never had not, not up to that point.

I will, I will, I do now, but back then that's actually a common practice and not that weird. And it's mostly to match your skin tone of your face because we wear makeup. You wear makeup and so when you take your shirt off, you put you. So then I remember going, oh, I guess we're wearing body makeup. Okay. So then they paint you up with this, like whatever that makeup is. And it's not that dramatic.

It's just a, it's kind of like a spray tan. It just looks different than now Glenn looks very farmer tan. And I remember standing there and I remember one of you guys being like, what the fuck, man? I'm like, well, I don't, I thought we were wearing body makeup. I guess it doesn't look that, it doesn't look that different. No, no, you can't tell. No, thank you for letting me objectify you guys.

Yeah, yeah, I just had to call it out. It's a little leveling things out. Yeah, it's a little difficult. Power dynamics there. I mean, Meg is in, Meg is in power in charge and I feel objectified. Yes, because Meg is in a position of power over us. She's the producer. Okay, now we have a suit.

Yeah. Now we have a suit. Unfortunately, she has no money. So we have to sell more ads. No, what we have is it's not about that much. So that we can sue her and get the money back. That's good. No, it's not about that.

It's about having that in your back pocket in case something else goes down. Exactly. I mean, it's leverage. It's when Meg comes at us with a suit and we say, actually, we have a counter suit. Exactly. Unless I cut that out of this episode and then you guys don't have any proof. I'll smart it again. I'll smart it again.

Speaking of being the brains and having good ideas like that, the brains, the looks, the wild card, the muscle and the useless chick, such a great structure for this episode and you switching roles and like trying to, how did you guys, do you remember how you came up with that? Yeah, that was just us being in the room and talking about those, I think it started with the A team where we looked at the A team and that was like such a perfect show where they decided, right, we just need a stereotype, not a stereotype, what's the word I'm looking for?

Archetype. Yes, an archetype for each individual character so that everybody's distinct and different, but they all fulfill a role. And so when it just laid itself out really beautifully for us, but then you realize it extends into so many different stories. Ghostbusters, for example. Speaking of which, this is the episode where we spent the most amount of money ever. That's right, to get the Ghostbusters song.

As I recall, we spent so, and we were so blown away, we were like, oh, we'll put in the Ghostbusters theme song and they came back with a price and I remember what it was. And we were like, we have never even paid anything close to this amount of money to just put like. Can I guess what it was? Please. Was it $200,000 to play it? No, no, it wasn't that much.

No, but it was by far the most amount of money we've ever paid. $80,000? I think it was $70,000. Oh, it was $80,000. It was $80,000. Well, I remember $80,000. It might have been $70,000. Either way, it's in that zone and we hadn't paid more than $20,000 for a song, including

Michael Jackson songs and the gang dances their ass off. I mean, we had. The doors. Yeah, we got the doors. The doors didn't even cause them. And the reason was that they were considering making another Ghostbusters at the time and they were trying to protect for the possibility, which they didn't, and Glenn was vehemently opposed to paying this.

And Charlie and I were not. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. I think I was because I was like, it's doesn't, I never, I didn't feel like it added that much. Like I, I like it. I like it. I like what it added.

And, you know, looking back now, I'm certainly glad we did it because like, you know, what does it make amortized over 15 seasons. But like at the time, yeah, I think it was, I just was like, yeah, it's funny, but it's not $80,000. Funny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You're always weighing it against some of the other choices you made. I will say that I was watching this episode with Caitlyn last night and the kids are in other rooms because they could give two flying fucks about our television show. And then that song came up and I heard Leo from the other room go, who are you going to call? Ghostbusters. And then he comes running into the room because he wanted to hear the song and he wanted to see what we were doing with the song.

So it turns out it's transcended generations because of that choice. It's a hell of a song. Yeah. It's a hell of a song. It's a hell of a song. Does he know it because of Ghostbusters Afterlife? No, we watched the original Ghostbusters, but I think it's also, again, just one of those memeable, it's just, it's all over the internet.

It is. So it is worth it for the fact that you start out the episode talking about how to run the bar more efficiently and you end with an explosion in the Ghostbusters theme, which just is such a journey for the episode to take. Like, it's just really enjoyable. Do you remember we took this episode and we screened it at Walter Reed Medical Hospital in Washington, D.C. for our men and women there? That's where Danny played that great prank on us.

And yes. What? Have we talked about this in the podcast? No. So we get to the hotel, I think FX pays for the flight in the hotel. And we get to the hotel and they say, oh, we're so sorry. They said, can we bring you, we're going to bring you guys up to your room. And we were like, what do you mean room?

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. They're saying, yeah, oh, I'm so sorry. We were under the impression that your FX is only paying for one room. And it didn't surprise us, right? Because it was so early in the show and we were such a low budget thing and we're like, oh man, they're sticking us all in one room together.

Well, not only that, but the guy actually said that we were like, well, that's just not going to happen. And he was like, ah, we don't have any, like this is the only room we have left. And he was like, let's go, can I just give you guys a tour of it? Yeah, he's like, let me just show it to you and maybe you'll find it acceptable. And I remember you, you, you were very unhappy. I do not handle those situations. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so we just got off a flight across the country. Yeah, we were not being disrespected. Yeah, being told, no, this is what you're going to do. You're all going to sleep in this room. And I remember we were thinking like, oh, screw it, we'll go find some other hotel or something. So we go up to the room and it's, you know, a single room and then out of the closet comes Danny.

Well, first, first of all, he shows us the, he shows us the suite and it is pretty nice for one person or two people, you know, a couple or something. And, and, but he's like, but, you know, of course this, this we have, we have a cot set up in the corner. They had a cot there. So one of us was meant to sleep in a cot. So he basically was trying to sell us on this, this whole thing. And then, yeah, and then out of the closet, Danny pops out with a, I think he had a bottle

of booze or something. I don't know. Yeah. Now this poor hotel staff is like, we don't want to be a part of this. We don't know. But they nailed it. This guy. I know.

I know. Yeah, he did. I think for me it was, it was at that time because now we're four seasons in and it still felt that everywhere we went, nobody knew the show, nobody gave gave a shit about the show and we were just kind of, I don't know, we would go on these promotional tours and we were just treated as like Danny's like staff and bodyguard or whatever it would be. And the suggestion that all four of us would stay in the same room was not that crazy. If we were going to a hotel now, you would know it was a goof in the very beginning.

But at this time it was not that unfounded. We were still sharing a trailer in season two. We had a, we shared a honey wagon. So the thought that FX would put us up or the hotel staff would just say, yeah, sure, these animals are just sleeping one bed was not that crazy. So I don't, I don't think I handled it well. It was a level of disrespect that we'd become accustomed to. Yes.

Yeah. So if anybody's doing the rewatch with us and they watch the waterboarding scene with Caitlin, just know that she was being waterboarded. I'm sure. Yeah. I was looking at that. I'm like, she's being waterboarded right now. What the hell?

No, no, that was actually hell. I was being tortured. And you see when, when he, when he flushes the urinal, it's just hitting the top of her head. But when he's pouring it on her with the fabric over it, now, why not just say, get a fabric that isn't porous, that has maybe a towel look on one side and then all the money on the ghostbuster song. Because when the wet towel is over your mouth, even waterboarding, it's like suffocating.

That is how they waterboarding. Well, it's water going up her nose and into her mouth while she's trying to breathe. Yes. It gives you the sensation of drowning, basically. But you actually, you aren't actually drowning because there's enough air getting in. But you're, but you know, you're, you're breathing in. The wet towel. Yes.

You're breathing in the wet towel. And the water as it comes in. But the towel is, the towel is, is creating enough, it's, it's truly, truly torture. You're not drowning somebody. You're torturing them. The wet towel suction to your, suction to your face, right? So you, so there's, you're not getting any air that's not coming through that sopping wet towel.

Yes. And she reminded me that her hands are behind her back, which was part of being bound, but also supporting her back, which at this point was broken. Oh my God. Oh jeez. At this point in shooting, her back was broken and she was healing, but she healed very quickly because it was broken over the fourth of July weekend, and, and we shut down production for, I don't know, a few weeks and then came right back and there she was getting water

boarded. It's, it's torture, but it's not torture on the level of, say, being asked to all sleep in the same hotel room, which is just insufferable and, yeah, I don't know which is worse. I think this is one of the first episodes Tim Roach got because he's doing the voice of the, of the golf. Oh, right. I was going to ask you guys. Yeah.

Yeah, that was Roach. Yeah, that was Roach. Unless Josh cut it and Tim just did that. No, Roach cut that. He did, right? Yeah. I do remember that. Yeah.

Roach cut that episode for sure. And it was, it was, it may have actually been the first episode that he, that he edited for us, but that was definitely him, yeah. Says his first episode. Yep. The gang solves the gas crisis. Off to a good start. Yeah.

But I was watching that scene, Rob, and I was looking at it and I'm like, I don't, I mean, this is indistinguishable from actual waterboarding. She's being waterboarded right now, but I don't remember. I remember her being upset about it, being like, this is not fun. We also created apparently a tremendous amount of controversy a few years later, but it never got to us. And then I heard a few years after that, that it was a fire that was put out at the highest of levels at the news corp organization.

What is that? Apparently when we use that photograph of Bruce Mathis accepting an award in the newspaper, he's accepting some humanitarian award. And then Frank says he's, he's, he's in cahoots with terrorists. Yes. Apparently the man that is in that newspaper is a revered public figure in the Middle East. And I think we should look up who he is. He is not a terrorist.

And I think there was some. What does that have to do with any of that? It's just Frank stereotyping. I mean, that's literally, that's literally the joke. Of course. But I don't know that the people of Saudi Arabia, the Middle East are necessarily are in on the joke. And it didn't, it didn't happen in real time.

It wasn't when it aired. They're known for, I mean, they're pretty well known for having good sense of humor over there. They love political satire. Yeah, they really do. Yeah. Hello listeners and creeps. This is Meg jumping in with a little follow up.

So I did a little digging and found out that the newspaper photo used in this scene was digitally altered after the episode aired. Apparently the man in the original photo was a friend of Rupert Murdoch's. So word came down from the top that it had to be scrubbed from the episode. That is what happened. Now back to the show. I want to talk about another thing that came out of this episode that I hear repeated a lot, which is, I know how to count dude, that line when you're talking about counting the

gasoline. Yeah, counting the liquid. How are you going to count a liquid? I know how to count, dude. You do it. You do it. You do it. You do it.

You do it. Because I can't. You do it. Because I can't. Oh, right. Because I can't. I can't. I can't.

Right, right. I love the scenes with the gas station guy. Yeah. Yeah. You're dick. No, not his dick. His dick, man. Why aren't you getting this?

And then you flipping over that lighter, like at a moment's notice, like that's always the way the wild card goes. That's kind of a dynamic we haven't done. And it could have been really funny, like the three of us trying to poorly threaten someone. I feel like we haven't done a lot of threatening, but threatening could be very funny when it's done wrong. Do you remember, do you guys remember, we, and I can't remember why.

I think it was maybe because we were at an actual gas station. We could not actually light that Zippo lighter. So we had to do what was at the time for us a very intensive special effect, which was just to put a flame coming out of that Zippo. Now Rob, I'm sure you remember this because I remember you and I just absolutely losing our minds at how inept it seemed that they were. We would come in there and look at what they comped in and there'd be like this giant flame coming at it.

We're like, well, no, we're like, can you make it look like a, oh, I don't know, a Zippo lighter? Cause that's what it is. Can we, you know, you don't want to be a dick, but you're, I just remember thinking like, yeah, that's cool. Now can we do one where it looks like the actual thing that we're holding? You fucking idiot. Like, why do you not know what that looks like?

This is what you do. It was the flame guy that worked at the special effects place. Like his whole specialty was fire, fire stuff, and he doesn't know what a Zippo lighter looks like on flame. He was, he was the flame. Yes. Right. Well, they did a great job on the fireball.

That's for a fuck. They did. Well, I'm the flame guy. You want a flame? I'm going to give you a good flame. You know, yeah. That was fascinating to do such a great job on the fireball, but then we just couldn't get him to do the light.

He was too excited. He was too excited. Fireball. No, that was an actual. That was an actual fireball. That was an actual fireball. Yes. Yes.

So we had a guy. Yes. We had a guy standing in front of a green screen. Yes. We blew an actual fireball. That's right. We had the elements. So why didn't we do that with a lighter?

Why didn't we shoot a little flame coming off a lighter and then I think we did. Glenn laid into this guy like he was the hotel manager who wasn't. No, I did not. I did not. I did not. I was, I was. Yeah. But I wanted to.

I wanted to. Yeah. You call yourself a flame guy, you're no flame guy, that's not what a lighter does. What was that in the barrels, you guys remember what you were drinking because you slurp it up, but then it's just more memorable one is Charlie siphoning it out of hit. Well, let me tell you something. When you siphon out of a car, whether you've put something in there or not, there's been gas in that car.

So you do get, I remember getting like a mouthful of fume, whatever we put in there. I can't remember what we put in there, but. What did it taste like? I mean, I don't know. I've never had gasoline in my mouth. I can't remember probably because I drank gasoline. You know what I mean? Like this is.

I like that you point out that it's such a waste of time because we're we're we're we're we're burning up the gas and then also you've just swallowed so much of it. Oh, I bet you're more annoyed that. Yeah. Damn waste. Gang, we want you to know that this podcast is sponsored by better help online therapy. If you're not familiar with better help, it's an online therapy service that offers video, phone and even live chat sessions with licensed therapists all around the world.

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And the third, we're trying some big swings and maybe some things are a little more cartoony than where we want to go. And this season, we're really kind of settling into it. And the character dynamics and how we relate to each other are really tight in this episode. So I think this is where it really works. You can feel it in that scene after the bank. I love that you guys are trying to move on to the next step in the plan. And then Dennis is just hung up on, I can't believe you guys.

We very rarely do that. And it stood out to me and I really liked it. That Dennis wants to, can we just have a heart to heart for a second time? Can I get this off my chest? Yeah, he's uncomfortable about something. I don't want to carry this around. I don't want to carry this around. That didn't sit well with me.

That was my thing and you guys took it. And it hurt. And it hurt. And it's actually a very, very kind of mature way of approaching the situation, you know what I mean? Like far more mature than how these characters normally act. To come to your friends and say, hey, listen, I got to bring something up because this really bothered me when you guys did this.

That's actually a healthy way to confront somebody about how their behavior affected you. Yeah. I remember feeling that too. That it's like, oh, this is interestingly out of character, right? To see him like a little broken about something. But also to be broken about that. The vanity and the ridiculousness is still there because what I'm hurt about is just

so ridiculous in me. But that's your thing. We've established that's your thing. And if you take my thing away from me, then what role do I have? And what am I? But then you very quickly realize that you're not only did you get that back, but then you also added a thing. So you took one away from me.

Wasn't that the same scene? Yeah. I'm actually the brains and the looks. And you're the muscle. Yeah. But you could be, yeah, because you confused my bossiness for braininess, which is definitely a real conversation at some point. That is his personality.

That is who he is. I have a question for you guys. Have you ever sold anything door to door? I have. Did you sell meat or knives? You sold meat or knives, right? What did you sell door to door? I sold meat.

It was a, not a job that I had for a long time. It was a crazy, crazy job, driving around in a refrigerated truck and trying to sell people like large quantities of meat, you know, like meat in bulk. Like somebody knocks on your door and is like, I got a truck full of meat. You interested in that? Did you ever get any sales? Yeah. I made a few.

I made a few. I was never good at, I was never good at just, I don't know, sales, many stuff, like bullshitting. It felt like bullshit because it was. Well have we solved the podcast crisis today? Yeah, maybe. I was going to ask if you guys wanted to give us your best wild card face because I know that Glenn's ready to give his wild card face right now.

Let's do it. Yeah, let's do it. I'll do it. Oh, you want me to start? Yeah. Why don't you start? Do you want? Do you mind taking off the sunglasses because I feel like so much is in the eyes.

Yeah. Actually, Charlie, could you, because my arm, yeah, thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Ready? Yep.

Oh, that's so good. That's great. Do another one. Yeah. Oh, that's the one. That's the one. I can't do that. Yeah, you can't do that.

I'm not even gonna try. Can't even compete. Not even try. You guys like that? Yeah. That was great. Thank you. I'd also talk about the looks of things.

I'd also like to talk about the sexy drawings that Dennis, this is the first episode I think where he makes. No. No, this is so bad. Fatty McGoo. Fatty McGoo. Fatty McGoo. That's the first.

But here's a research. Arousing himself with his own drawings. Yes. Dennis's version of an ideal woman who's like completely disproportionate. Yeah. Who draws those? Yeah, giant breasts and a tiny waist. Does Casey draw?

Casey's a great artist. No, that was actually, I think that was actually, it was a female props master that we had that drew all those photos. Oh. Oh, great. So you made a woman do it. Yeah. We don't make women do anything.

We paid her to do it. It says in the script and... We said just draw an attractive woman, but I'm like, this is what you came up with? This is what you're doing. Let's go with it. You know what I mean? That's funny for us. No, the sort of team...

What do you want? Do you want women to have more jobs in Hollywood or do you want it? Yes. Come on. What are we supposed to do? It's more better for them to do it. It's more better for you to take a job and do what we say. You know?

I established this. I established this. We've established this. It makes more sense to give a woman the opportunity to draw a woman. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. In the way that a man explains it.

Yes. Tells her how to do it. We told her how to do it. But we allowed her to do it. Yeah. And if you push back, we'll take this shit to the Supreme Court and we will win. We'll of course we'll win. This is a great time to be a man.

We will get our man's way. We had a rough run. We had a rough run for like three, four years, but I think we're back, right? Well... What? Man or back? Man. Man or back.

No, we never left. No, we never left. We never left. We never left. We never left. We never left. We never left. We never left.