The Always Sunny Podcast - The World Series Defense

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

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So I'm free back in the States. Yeah. Still over there. What's he doing? Sweeping up. I'll just the confetti. They make him sweep it all up. Um, no, he's staying for the parade.

The rob's flying back for tomorrow. Yeah. And then, um, he also, his passport is expired. Oh, shit. And when he, he told me when he was leaving, um, just so you know, my passport's going to expire while I'm over there, but it's okay, because I'll just get an appointment and get a new one. Then landed in the UK, went to go make an appointment, found out that the passport office was striking for eight weeks. So there's no appointments,

and he can't get a new, so he's there without a passport. And so when the passport office reopens, he'll then get a passport and then he can come back. But until then he's just over there. And he's too big to smuggle back. Yeah, you can fit him in a suitcase. I have my ankle handy today. I don't know. We don't know.

Oh, we don't know. It's a mystery. We don't know whether it comes or not. One thing we could do is we could sort of... I love a good mystery. As I recall from our last podcast, I don't think he is going to be here today. Yeah, that's what I thought. I think he's going to be absent.

So no one knows. It's unknowable. What? His schedule and... I'm going to text him. How about that? This will be good. This is drama for the beginning of the podcast.

How's Reacon Glenn? That good, huh? I don't remember what happened. Yeah, it was pretty unremorable clearly. I think it was fine. Did you get another dog? Didn't get another dog. Oh, dude, thank God. I went and saw evil Dead rise on Saturday night.

That was a lot of fun. Was it good? A lot of fun, yeah. Did you watch the voice very deep today? You know what I was thinking? I watched the role. Did you see Pearl? No, I saw the first movie X or whatever.

I saw that one, but I hadn't seen Pearl. Which is the ton of fun sequel. Is it okay? It felt like it was part of the bigger overall thing which I think it is. Gosh, have you guys seen the movie Barbarian? I got to see it. Tell me anything about it. Oh boy. My watch list. Yeah buddy. What? Enjoy. It's a horror film. Oh, I don't see any movies. You don't watch scary movies? Ever? Not really. No. Really? It's a horror film. Oh, I don't see any movies. You don't watch scary movies? Ever?

Not really, no. Really? Yeah, I like reading the feel things then. Well, I feel scared all the time, so I don't see the need to. I see. So I'm mimic it. You're in fight or flight all the time. I'm just always there.

So you're just in flight. I don't do roller coasters, because I'm like, why do you want to feel like you're about to die at any moment? Constantly that like dread But no, I don't know I just get easily scared my brain since I was a kid like whatever scary movie I would just replay it like in dreams and stuff It my brain locks in on stuff. So I'm just like let's not put what about like the shining Would you like to see the shining? Yeah. I will watch like, or see horror movies, if that makes sense.

Like, thanks for their elevated. Yeah, well, I'll say, like, I don't want like, if it's just like, yeah, just pure, just kind of like lazy, like jump scares and like, I don't want to get out, which was amazing. But get out. I will, if I hear that it's like, more about the movie than the horror aspect,

but I just couldn't, I would put the exorcist in that category. Sure. I haven't seen it. It's a phenomenal. Oh, really? Yeah. Look, it's scary as shit. And it will it could fuck you up. barbarian. I mean, I got see I put up. I put that up there with I put that up there was some of the better horror films I've ever seen. Evil Dead rise very much in line with like the Evil Dead movies, which I'm a huge fan of. Is it still starring, what's his name?

Bruce. Yeah. Oh, is that guy's name Bruce? Bruce Campbell. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Bruce Campbell, who played Ash in the original Evil Dead trilogy.

Um, we're glad it's nine o'clock. I think that we're not going to be seeing Rob McElhenny today. I think he, I don't know, is too good for us now or too good for us today. Well, yeah, too good to even let us know whether or not he's going to be able to let us know. As I recall, I remember thinking, oh, the next one we're doing without him. So I think he did tell us possibly. I certainly probably wasn't the thing.

But I'm weirdly the up. But usually you would know this thing. But no one knows. I think he did say, yeah. I believe he did. I believe he did. So this is going to. That's a shame because he's pretty funny in this episode of television. But we don't have to die right in the episode. We could. No, let's talk about horror films. We talk about horror films. We could talk about the absence of our friend. Can I ask actually,

are there any other horror films that you would put in the category of artsy as you put it? Like sort of like really great filmmaking and therefore I would watch it even though it's a horror film. What would you put other films? Yeah, I can't think of any of the top of my head though right now. Did you watch The Ring?

No, I didn't see the ring. The ring's great. The ring was great. But that movie, that movie fucked me up. I saw it, it's not a horror movie. John, that's a horror. I would think that would be considered a horror film. Yeah, a horror film?

Back in the day, I think it was considered a horror film, yeah. Yeah, I mean, now it's a so tamedish film. Yeah. It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. It's a horror movie. Right. I heard it. Well, fish movie. Right. Well, so bad.

Yeah. Um, did you guys want to talk about this episode today, World Series Defense? Yeah, sure. We can, yeah, we can jump into talking about the episode. Let's jump into it. All right, World Series Defense, Megan, do you want to recap this episode for the, for our listeners at home and our viewers or Cri. I guess structure. Yeah, the structure. I appreciated you trying to uphold it when I wasn't here. I tried. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So season five,

episode six, the World Series Defense, aired on October 22nd 2009. It was written by David Hornsby and directed by Randall Einhorn, special guest stars Patricia Belcher, play the judge John Ponzeo, Dennis Hogan and Dennis Hart. Yeah, yeah. And in this one, the gang describes the trials and tribulations they went through during game five of the World Series, hoping the judge will clear them of all the citations they received. Okay, first of all, let's, I want to take a moment to talk about John Ponziot's performance.

So he is in the Philly, Phrynetic costume, and we couldn't say Phrynetic, that was like Major League Baseball was like, nope, sorry, you can't say Phrynetic. So we called him the Philly Phrynetic. Yeah, and we also couldn't say the holiday ends. We called him the... But then you couldn't help yourself

at the end of the episode. And you know what, I'm gonna toss in my counter suit. Charlie Kelly versus Major League Baseball. That's our very first. I'm gonna die. Come on. I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. This guy's got a straight hole.

Oh boy. What's happening? All right, first of all, I had to calm the frenetic. His name's the fanatic, but you know, I'm gonna get sued by Major League Baseball if I calm the fanatic. And let's talk about steroids. Can we talk about steroids?

Can we talk about steroid abuse and spools it? It's ruining it again. It's ruining it. Yeah. Yeah. How did you have to fucking call it out? Which I love. Yeah.

At the end of the episode, I call it out. I was like, we couldn't even call him this. And somehow we got that in and that was fine. I'm not, we got away with that. And something I think that we started doing later in life was just like, we're just gonna do it. We're just gonna do it. And it's just gonna be fine, so yeah.

But so Ponziot kills it. And why don't you tell people who Ponziot? Okay, John Ponziot has had the position of, he's an actor, but he's also had the position of stand-in, which is often when they're letting a scene, a performer stands on the actor's mark, and they kind of, they go through the scenes, they sort of perform the scenes while the cinematographers lighting the scene, and the, well, now this might be interesting to people, because I think many people maybe don't know the process of, the

usual process is, the very first thing that happens is the actors get called to set with the director and they do what's called a closed rehearsal with just the actors and the director and maybe a few key people that are making decisions about how the scene's gonna go. And the stand-ins are also watching the rehearsal so that they can see what we did in the rehearsal. So then when rehearsals over, we leave to go get finished in a hair and makeup, learn

our lines, you know, make phone calls, masturbate, whatever it is that we need to do to get ready for the, you know, the actual time. Oftentimes it's put on a costume. It might be putting on fake bruises or blood. If you're me, I'm taking supplements, it's a linear to major supplement routine. I'm in the midst. I'm in phase three of my supplement routine. I just choking down pills for that stuff. Yeah, trying to make myself feel better. And while all that's happening, the standins are walking through the marks with the camera

people and the lighting people so that they can light the scene. It's so that when we show up to set, we don't throw fit and go, and go, why wasn't this worked out with my stand-in? And various things like that. I was in the middle of masturbating or whatever it is. Now, oftentimes, we get to, before that was all done and watch the run through once or twice with the stand-ins, uh, especially earlier on in the show. Right. Just to make sure everything was kind of, uh, looking how we wanted it to look.

Um, and we picked up on that John Pondio was always excellent. He's bringing it. He's always bringing it. Sometimes, most of the time the standins are actors as well. Sometimes they have no aspirations of becoming performers. And this is something that they do on the side. Yeah. My standing Adam is actually a brilliant musician. So, you know, his focus is music. But so Pondio who stood in for Rob, although he looked at, he's done a lot of,

he said, he's been my stand-in, he was my stand-in on AP Bio. So he pinched his, he was always great in the run-throughs. So every now and then we would have him play a role if we needed a guy who said a thing or we needed a character in a costume. Do you remember his first role? Was this first one on in Mac and Dennis Breakup

or is the waiter? No. Before he had something before that? What was his first one? We had all the stand-ins. In season three, the gang gets whacked. I can't remember if it's part one or part two, but it's when you guys are on the streets

gumming the cocaine and you run into cricket. Oh, yes. And those three people, business people walk by and give him some loose change. That was all the stand-ins. Yeah, I think Ponzu was in that crew. Well, they let you become a priest again. Oh, congratulations. Hey, man.

Hey, you doing, man? Hey, keep your up, Reverend. Hey, a priest again. Oh, congratulations. You're every. Amen. Hey, you do, man. Hey, keep your temper. Hey, keep the fight. Bless you. And John Ponzi has been with us since almost the beginning. If not, the very beginning. I can't remember exactly.

We'd have to double check that, but pretty darn near it, if not. A lot of the other standings have sort of come and gone. And his sister has done 80 work. Yeah, and his sister, who also works behind the scenes. Yeah. Anyway, so John volunteered to be the frenetic. And I was watching it. I was like, man, he really nailed it because we had some mascot work this season coming up. And it's tough. It's tough to get a performance that reads through that suit. And you're watching that assuming,

like that's the guy who does the thing. He has the whole bit, the little like yawning thing he does where his padding is known. He does a great job. He nailed it. Yeah. Even his timing when you ask him, like, are you messing with me?

Are you taking me seriously or whatever? And there's like this little pause and then he does the time thing. Yeah, that's the time thing. And then by the way, the rhythm of your punching, like that's also great, because the second he does it, you smack him in the face and then you punch him in the chest twice.

Something with a rhythm of that moment. Yeah, the timing of it is really funny. It really works well. And then you cut to Hogan and Hart, who are Rob, it sounds like a comedy do it. Yeah, they do sound like you know. So Rob's two friends that were in the episode with Carmen, where is cancer?

Try those cancer, where Rob punches Carmen and they say he's got a hate crime and then they say yeah, that's a hate crime, they pound them. This was a call back to those two. They were construction workers at the time. They look like construction workers. Yeah.

Rob, why don't you tell us about Hogan and Hart a little bit? Yeah, Rob, where did you meet those guys? Tell us a little bit about your history with those guys. That's a delight. Yeah, I think that's a great story. That's so great, Rob. All right, I'll give you one. Killing it. Don't big league league. Me not here man. Don't big look. I try to have a conversation with the man behind the mask I feel like you're big like in the dude. Are you taking me seriously?

There it is Guys being on the frenetic. Dude, is that a hate crime? No, it's not a hate crime. When Hammer's ace anyway, definitely. That crazy. That crazy. That crazy accent. You can't, you know?

That's not acting. Oh, that's not acting. Yeah. When Hammer's ace anyway, anyway. I can't do it. Uh, this guys are so funny, man. They're great. I love that.

They're hilarious, and they nailed it in that performance. I was up to that point for me honestly, they sadly, it was my biggest laugh was there was their exchange. Like should we pound him anyway? They said my biggest laugh is when Danny first lifts up the tent and the amount of smoke that comes out from under it. I had forgotten about and I had caught me off guard. He wrote something. Mine was so quick, which was just you, Charlie handing Dennis papers, he doesn't. Oh, yeah. I laughed every time you did that. I clearly laughed towards the very end.

Yeah, I'm the second time, the second round of that. Yeah, right at the very end. You can't stop me. And you're reaction gets me and I have to look down because I'm the second round of that. Yeah, right at the very end. You can't stop me. And you're reaction gets me and I have to look down because I'm laughing. I love it because we play it. So I'm trying to play it so real. Well, the reason I was, it's a good bit.

But it's also one of those things where like, it wasn't hard for me to play it real because you didn't tell me you were gonna do that. You just started doing it. So it was actually mildly irritating to me. Like I knew it was funny, but I'm trying to remember my lines. I'm trying to do my lines. And you're handing me papers.

It was actually like, so I just kind of leaned into the, like whatever little bit of it was actually kind of irritating to me. Which I probably picked up on and then, then it more. Yeah. You're parsing out though. You're parsing out a switch switch a paper with a different paper.

And then I perhaps want this one. Perhaps you want this one. This one. And Patricia who plays the judge. Yeah, oh man. Except. That was so funny. And I had the pleasure of working with her a couple times again on AP Bios.

Oh really? Yeah, she plays the school superintendent on the show. So she would come in for a couple episodes here. And she was just, and she remembered working on Sunny with us, even though by the time I'd worked with her on a P. Bio, it had been almost a solid 10 years since she had done that. But she remembered it and she had a really good time. And yeah, she's just, she's lovely and a great performer.

You're on her. Let the record show that the three of us do not condone the actions of the two of them. The record will show everything. You can stop saying that. Are you sure? Because she's not typing very quickly. Short-age. She's getting the gist.

I don't appreciate being paraphrase. Now, I choose my words very deliberately. Get back to your case. This also is the first time I think we're discussing a Randall Ihor directed episode. Is that correct? I can't be. I thought he did one already, but all of a sudden. He has done, he had...

I don't think it was the first... No, wait a minute. Did he not start working with us until season five? Yes, season five was his first year. Okay, so I don't think we've talked that much about Randall. So Randall brought scale to the show in a way that we hadn't done. He was not cutting the corners that we were used to cutting in terms of like, okay, in this particular episode,

normally we'd be like, well, we can't show the stadium because, yeah, obviously we're not gonna, and here's what I was trying to remember watching that. So the first time you see the shot, the stadium is empty. So obviously we're saying this is before people have entered the stadium. Later in the episode, the stadium is empty. So obviously we're saying this is before people have entered the stadium. Later in the episode, the stadium's full. Did we shoot that during a game of the full stadium

or did we do a CGI put people in? I cannot remember. Let me tell you something. I don't know. I don't remember either. God damn it. I watched you remember. Okay, I probably remember,

because this is the kind of stuff where I remember. Yeah, I probably used remember either. God damn it. I watched you remember. Okay, I probably remember, because this is the kind of stuff where I remember. Yeah, Rob, you should remember. Rob, no shit, okay. So his first episode was the gang exploits, the mortgage crisis, which was, but it was this year that Randall and Mark came up. Which we have discussed.

And which we have discussed. We have discussed that one, right? But yeah, bringing, I mean, the scale of it. He did it in such a way that it didn't, it didn't force us to work longer days necessarily. No, remember at all, he worked just as fast. Yeah. But like certain things.

He was very ambitious. He was very ambitious. He was ambitious, yeah. And he was a little pusher with us in the way that Adius was in the second season. He pushed us a little bit. And we fought him on it. and I'm glad he pushed us. Yeah, sometimes I think you gotta be a little pushy

with us otherwise we're gonna, you know, hammer you. I was, we're gonna hammer you like the Philly's Philly. Choices like making you do. Maybe in terms of his vision, okay, which sometimes we were like, I don't see it that way. And probably because he was seeing more scale than we were used to doing on the show, right?

So, and I think normally our response would be like, you don't really need to see this stadium, you know? It's fine, like when you know we're there, we don't need to do a whole thing, but he would insist on those things. And I think for the betterment of the episodes. Well, yeah, because it started to open up possibilities for us, right? We're from a writing standpoint where you're getting to the point

where you're writing yourself into corners because you say, well, we just can't do XYZ. It opens up certain storylines where like, well, maybe we actually could pull this thing off and filling a stadium full of people is really tricky to do. I think that that CGI people in the shot, in the second shot, were doing CGI back then, dude. But I think you would have been so chaotic to film during a game in the far away.

The speed at which we move, we wouldn't shoot that sequence with an empty stadium and then come back at the end of the day when the stadium was full to shoot the next scene, right? We would be like, this is our location, we gotta get in and out. Meg, maybe you can wanna call get Randall and the Einhorn and on the line. I was gonna to text Jeff Lewinny actually. Do you think he would know if you did post on that?

Yeah, Jeff might know. Now, ironhorn, if I'm not mistaken, is also what Germans call a unicorn. There's a little movie. Yeah, hang on. So you got multiple things to look up here. I is one. Yeah, hang on. I see a multiple things to look up here. One horn is what weren't there. So Germans call unicorns Einhorn.

And I know this because there was a great, great animated film from the 80s called The Last Unicorn. Do you know this movie? Yes, I remember that. It's weirdly kind of scary. It really scared me as a kid. but it's a great little fantasy movie. Jeff Bridges plays the prince in that movie and he sings. And it's so interesting to hear him singing.

And I believe the band America did a lot of the music for it, which seems in Congress, but sorry, just real quick, the German title of that film, and the only reason I know this is because my sister and I were obsessed with that movie as kids, and I wanted to get her the soundtrack to that movie, but you couldn't get it in America, which could get it in Germany,

and the movie was called, Dost Leetsta, Dost Leetsta Einhorn, the last unicorn. Wow, something like that. Wow. I feel like LSD culture was still heavily slipping into kids art in our childhood. Like, because like,

fraggle rocks and stuff. Yeah, or like, I'm trippy. But that first, the Hobbit Cartoon. Oh, trippy. Trippy. It was like, I was like, I don't know if it was

a lecture company or Sesame Street stuff, like, remember the little girl who's like, trying to remember, she's like, I love a bread, a stick of butter, a corn of milk. Yeah. Like, I watched somehow, I saw that recently, and I was like, this.

It's trippy. It's like an acid trip. Like, the mother was like, showing up in a brand, like, I love a bread. Yeah, and then you can't remember the third eye. And then you can't remember it. Yeah, there was a lot of that trippy ass shit. I love those old Brank and Bass.

I mean, those are the guys that did like all the, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the Claymation stuff, but like, um, uh, Rudolph, uh, and, and Frosty, the snowman. That's all Rank and Bass. Yeah. And they did that first, uh, uh, Hobbit movie, which is terrific.

You can tell like this is a thing. Yeah, it's fantastic. You can tell like the difference of like the drugs. Like so like everyone's like, smoking weed, you know? And then cocaine starts and we get like two days of your ninja journey. You know what I mean?

Like cocaine goes into system. And there's like, radicals. You know what I'm like? The turtles in the sewer, dude. And like, oh, like again, go into the system. There's like, radical. And so, you know how like, the turtles in the sewer, dude? And like, oh, like, their boss is like a rat. And, they love pizza. [♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Guys, it's NBA finals time.

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clear and gay to it. Is that what the pretty much yeah, like ever clear with electrolytes. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so this episode was this like, it seems so much of it is about or comes out of the fact that you couldn't be wearing like Philly's merch. Yeah. You couldn't be talking about the fanatic.

Uh-huh. Was that like, did you guys decide, oh, we want to do something about the fact that they won the World Series? Yeah. But we really can't. So then the episode becomes kind of about that as well. Yes. Yeah.

That's what happens. You know what? I actually forgot that we can't wear the merch watching the episode. So I didn't really did it pretty good They did a good cuz uh, katelyn's outfit is so close. I feel like it's moving it over from even the frenetics shirt is like a made-up looking thing And yeah, I think we got to give Sabrina Rosen a lot of crap about our costume designer show also like the red eyeball thing after they go in the bug bomb thing So this was something that we were like Leah,

our makeup artist. Leah Votero. But those like red eyes are so effective. But like what was we were putting like red eye drops in. Something very comfortable. It's like, it's this kind of stuff that, yeah, it's like, they say it's like safe to go in your eyes while they're taking a field safe. We did your eyes. I'm like, he'll save.

We did it again in the episode with Country Mac, where we're gonna go to Stone. And it looks really good in that. I love it. You guys look so funny in that when you're smoking weed and you're eating out of those chips back. Yeah, completely. So, cause wise, go back to like scale though, like even tenting the whole building, which Inauron, you know, was like, no, we'll get a building and we'll tent it versus like before we probably would have like cut

a corner and been like, well, we can't actually see the building tented. And we might have, I don't know. Yeah, maybe it's possible. Yeah. It was funny. You guys lifting up a thing and like going, it sold it just enough like you getting underneath the sheet. I sort of feel like when day any crawls in,

though the smoke looked to me like it was CGI, right? Right? So we had some in this episode, which makes me think that the crowd was also CGI. But right, well, I mean, those two, yeah, I mean, I guess it wouldn't be that difficult to CGI, but crowd. It'd be easy way, way, way in the distance,

then, you know, to do some smoke. But you're right, the second time when he actually goes in, that smoke is not real. That was like CGI smoke. Which it was like, because it's some like thing where you're like, you can't crawl into the smoke machine or like, the union rules. Yeah, possibly. But then we had real smoke when they actually go into the hallway. The scene of them in the hallway. Okay, here's another example of a shot that I think we would often mix. We'd be like, ah, you don't need that shot. But I love it. It's a great shot.

So there's the obvious, the obvious great shot of all the close-ups which swing between Caitlin Dany and Rob doing the wretching, which I think we cut together multiple takes of it because it was so funny and we just wanted to keep it going as long. I remember pushing for that shot. Yes, yes. That is very Charlie. I was like, I want to get up in their faces and I want to swing around. I just wanted to keep it going as long as. I remember pushing for that shot. Yes, that is very Charlie. I was like, I wanna get up in their faces,

and I wanna swing around, and I'm, Rob, I feel like you didn't wanna do it because you were like, you know, it's a lot to watch like that. Was that? Yeah, he was, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was feeling lazy. It was, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can say what it was Randall. Someone was like, I don't know what to do it. I was like, I think it's gonna be, but I know what Shobber's talking about. The shot I'm talking about is the shot, the very last shot before we cut to commercial, which is the floor shot. It's not wide wide, but yeah,

it's the kind of wider shot where the camera's basically on the floor. Yeah. And that's the kind of thing that somebody would normally propose to us and we'd be like, you don't need it. You don't need it. You don't need it.

It's good. It's good. I mean, yeah, let's watch it. Hey. Hey. Why is that so funny? Caitlin. Hey.

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But I'm so glad it's so nice to work with actors who are willing to make themselves that wretched and ugly. You know what I mean? And just be essential for a comedy. Because you gotta- You gotta gonna dig the life out of it. And if you're like not willing to make yourself go to the extremes,

which life does, it just feels, I don't know. Yeah. You can't always be pretty. So as we're learning lessons on this podcast, as we often are teaching lessons, you can't always be pretty. Sometimes you just gotta be ugly. Sometimes you just gotta be ugly. Sometimes you just gotta get on the floor and wretch.

Sometimes you just gotta be. And the more you wretch the better the scene. I got hammered so hard. Yeah, you deserve it, asshole. How you hammered you? Just some overly passionate Philly fans. Who do you think? And hold on, you getting hammered by Philly fans

is reminding me of something. There is a secret tunnel between the stadium and the audience. I know, dude. I was telling this guy about the tunnel. It does make things so much funnier when you have to get around it, like, Allity in.

Like the fact that you're all saying Allity in that the judge even says it at the end. Are you telling me you all found a dungeon at the bottom of the Allity in? The Allity in? Yeah, we could. Another one I've right. Yeah. We called it the Allity in, because you couldn't call it the Oledian. The Oledian. Yeah, we could, another one I've right. Yeah.

We called it the Oledian because we couldn't call it the holiday in. Yeah. The Oledian. The Oledian. Yeah, that was just kind of funny. Yeah. I also love the Oledian. I also love the Oledian.

When we do finally go to the Oledian and we're trying to find the tunnel that leads from the Oledian to the stadium, you know, when we get into that laundry room, you're like, yeah, and Scooby-Doo. You know, we get into that laundry room. You're like, yeah, in Scooby-Doo, there's always some kind of a day or whatever. Like, can we not, I love the line of like, can we not base our decisions on things that either did or didn't happen in episodes of Scooby-Doo? That is great.

I also like the whole discussion of the Charlie 1 too, Charlie describing the Charlie 1 too, which is just jumping out in front of a car. Yeah. But you say that. One, you give it a car too, you threaten us with. Yeah. And then it dead as if you're like, well,

it's called the Charlie one too. So you should do it and you saying that the next one might be your last. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've done it too many times. That's done. It worked pretty well. Yeah, it worked pretty well.

Yeah, it looks like you get drilled by that thing. Yep, just a very simple optical illusion of me. You know, just I was behind that. I wasn't even like in line. Basically the car was here and I was like here, but you know, as it pulls up, it looks like it's hitting me. That's pretty good. And then this also is Rob's introduction to his fascination with chase Utley.

How did you pick Chase Utley? Was it just like at random? Did he already love Chase Utley? And wanted to be his friend and manifest that universe? I think no, it is funny actually though, that at the time none of us knew. No, we didn't, no chase. There's only a time.

Yeah, we didn't know him at all. No, he was just a famous baseball player. Yeah. A famous second-based man. I mean, he just was a really great player and it just seemed funny. That Rob was upset. And had some, had some guys.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's an exceptional baseball player. Yeah. Yeah, that letter, though, that, we're delivering of that letter. So funny. Yeah, her reading it.

I read it. Yeah, read it. Dear chase. Oh, shit. They're stickers. My god. Oh, it. I'm gonna read it. Yeah, read it. Dear Chase, oh shit, they're stickers. My God. Oh, they got a chest. Yeah, should you sure do? I want to make a pie. You sure do. Dear Chase, I feel like I can call you Chase

because you and me are so much alike. Really, I would love to meet you someday. It would be great to have a catch. I know I can't throw as fast as you, but I think you would be great to have a catch. I know I can't throw as fast as you, but I think you would be impressed with my speed. I love your hair. You run fast. Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about and more. I know you have not been getting my letters because I know you would write back if you did. And I hope you write back this time

and we get to be good friends. I am sure our relationship would be a real home run. I remember working on that letter. I remember writing the mean either part, like just thinking that it was funny, that Rob just like answers for it. Yeah, answers for it. Yeah.

It's also funny that like Mack has to, either he fully believes that the letter is totally normal because when D's threatens to read it, he's like, yeah, read it. Yeah, I'm cool with that. It is a love letter of sorts, like I'm saying that. Rob's looked at Caitlin when there's something lying about speed or something and he gives

her like a little nod. Oh yeah, I think you'd be impressed by my speed. Yeah, whenever look he does to her is so funny. I've never seen him do it before or since. He'd like you know it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He throws a couple of those looks in that scene. He's got some great, great, yeah. He throws a couple of those looks in that scene. He's got some

great, great, great moments in this episode. Yeah, there's a really funny exchange between the two of them, De and Mac, where she calls him out for not being able to scale the building. And he's like, I absolutely could scale this building. Yeah. I love that she gets in her face. Yeah. And he's like, you think I don't have the up body straight. And then she gets and then she gets like literally smed with face in his face. It's so funny. Here's a joke though that we missed that I remember wanting and we didn't get it.

So when you cut back to Rob and he's trying to scale the building, Caitlin standing right next to him, but the funnier joke would have been to have her off frame so you feel as though he's halfway up and then like pull back and see that he's still on the ground and he's not gotten anywhere. He hasn't got anywhere, right?

Kim, remember, it still works. One more hilarious exchange I love in this, which is like classic is then after she tells Mac, he doesn't have the arm strength to scale the building. Then Dennis tells him that he doesn't have the core strength to do it. And then you guys have a whole conversation about glamour muscles and that was all buys and tries. That conversation is so exciting.

I remember that, but I remember talking about funny. Yeah, I remember us talking about that in the writers room and and and Rosel getting in on that conversation. It was the first time I'd ever heard the phrase glamour muscles. I'd never heard that before. And I think it was either Marter or Rosel that was the first time. Yeah, it sounds like those guys. Ser Siri commentary on Mac, but also on Rob. Like it just kind of pointed just enough of being like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you guys talking yourselves into a fury that ends in a push-up contest. We're kind of looking at each other and then Mac cutting that to you being good. I love the look. I love the looks that we give each other like right before we drop down to the push-ups. Or there's this like this moment of like, oh shit, we're doing this. Like the seriousness which you described the flaws of his workout routines. What's so funny to me, right?

There's no wink to it. You're like, it's dead serious, important information that you're doing your glamour muscles and it's frustrating. It's frustrating. Yeah, yeah. Eyes and tries. But I do. I also love that when we drop down into the push-ups, but then it immediately cuts to the courtroom and we're doing the push-ups in the...

You got into the same argument there. Yeah, it's just good stuff. You know, with the moment with them, Mackinny and Dee's face and her pushing her face back into him, I remember not loving that. Oh, really? Yeah, only because I felt like it was like too comfortable. Like I felt like it's because they're like a couple in real life, she's comfortable enough.

Oh, you felt that that was just. But that's only because I'm a person who would jam his face into someone. I wasn't in a relationship with, but. I think Caitlin, if it had been a scene between Caitlin and I, she would have done the same thing. Yeah, definitely. By the way, I definitely acknowledged it was funny.

I was like, I was like, is it too intimate, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I guess she screams right in his face, though, and it's funny. Yeah, it's worth the same. Are you kidding me? I laughed what I saw. Yeah, yeah.

I absolutely have the upper body straight through accomplished that. Are you kidding me? God damn it. It's funny. It's funny. But also, there's another example of her. Like, she does not play that comedically at all.

Like, you look at her phrase. She's fucking serious, man. She's screaming at him. She's like, it seems like she's really fucking pissed at him in that moment. Lleenie is saying that he believes that you shot outside the stadium. The actual stadium. No, I do believe we shot outside the stadium.

The question though is, did we feel in the crowd? He's going to feel in the crowd. Did we feel in the crowd? I think we shot outside of a real game. I mean, I have a memory of that. It just seems unlike, I think we scheduled it.

We were in Philly. We were in Philly and I think we scheduled it. We were in Philly. We were in Philly and I think we scheduled it so that we could shoot that outside of a game. So we shot the morning part, the morning, when, when, when, shall the, for nettock stuff. And we might have shot it kind of in order. And the plus you got, you guys gotta get all,

you gotta get your eyes read and, and you have to get the, the bruising, I have to get all the cuts and the reps in the suit. And I think we shot that at the end of the day, kind of near the end of the day. I think the stadium was actually full. Look at that. I do believe. I don't know, but that's real. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Look to the right. See all the people walking towards it. Yeah. That's more extras than we would have. So you're saying, yeah, you're saying those are real people. Yeah, all the people behind you here are ours. Yeah, but see the people like, yeah, across it walking towards the,

we would never have that many people in the deep background like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I think you're right. Yeah, no, I think, yeah, I'm fairly certain that was the real deal. There you go. How do we no, I think, yeah, I'm fairly certain that was the real deal. There you go. How did we get though this location then at like during a game like, or were we just further away from the stadium then?

I think we were maybe, I don't know, I don't know, how do you get any location, you know what I mean? Do you guys, do you remember how fucking hot it was and how like Ponzi almost fucking passed out in that costume? When he took the mask off, he was, it looked like he'd been in a swimming pool. We used to always shoot the show during the summer

and usually get to the Philly part of the shoot by the end of the summer. So we're like August and Philly. Oh, that green man thing. Cause you're wearing clothes underneath that too, right? I agree with him, he's not that bad. No, no. You, that green man thing. Cause you're wearing clothes underneath that too, right? Green man thing's not that bad. Oh, no. You wear it?

No. Boxers. Yeah, I'd buy, I see the boxer line. Yeah, some more like boxers or underwear or something, but no, I definitely had a cup on, right? So the people don't see your dong. I, yeah, like six cups on. So they don't teach.

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. You six cup in a, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, probably something like that. I don't recall. But, no, not like a t-shirt and pants under there. I think that you'd be. Yeah, then you'd be. It's pretty warm.

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It's for the podcast audience that might be listening to this episode first. I've talked a little bit about it. I played a ton of baseball. Yeah. You played through high school? Yeah, I played through high school and then into college and didn't make the team, and I was like, okay.

What was your position? What position did you? What? Second base. Hey. You and Chase. Yeah, sure. Holy shit. And yet, Chase is what? Second base. Hey. Yeah. You and Chase. Yeah. Sure.

Holy shit. And yet, Chase is what? 6-2. 200 pounds. I don't know. 6-1. 6-2. He's at least 6 foot.

That's what happened to me. I got to the college team and it was like a first day of like a scrimmage, whatever. I was like, okay. I'm gonna, I was up at bat. I'm like, I'm gonna get on base, I was fast, so I'm like, I'm gonna drop a little butt and I'm gonna cruise to first and just get on base, right? It's useful. Totally do it, it's great.

My next at bat, I'm like, you know, poke a little base hit in the gap, yeah, like, you know, just like a single. Well, they're starting to say I could base, when it was like chasing size, only like thicker. He gets like jammed up on the inside pitch that he like hits a home run. I don't know how he does it,

but he like just kind of turns on a pitch that's like two inside and just makes enough contact that it goes out of the park and I was like, oh, I'm done. I said, I'm gonna be an actor. Yeah, I should be an actor. Um, you were, you could probably good with the low balls, right?

And then, I was good at hitting. I was pretty good at hitting and I was pretty good at like, fielding like ground ball or whatever. But anytime there was an infield fly, I was definitely a little bit like, I got no idea where this thing's coming down. And like, I might get this one, I might not.

You'd lose it in the air. It's real toss up. Yeah, I have no other choice. You ever catch one in the face? Yeah, I've never catch one in the face. The baseball is straight to the fucking face. No, I did. That'll turn you off the game.

Yeah, that was a... I happened to break your nose, what? No, it didn't break my nose. Well, maybe it did, and I didn't know. But I remember I hurt like a motherfucker, and it was a fly ball, and it hit me in the face. And it wasn't even during a real game. It was like playing baseball with like my friends,

like in a field somewhere. And yeah, so I was scared of, I just could never, and I wasn't a, I was a pretty rough kid. I mean, I played football. My favorite thing to do in football was hitting drills. I'd love the bigger the guy, the better. So I wasn't afraid of like contact. I wasn't afraid of roughness.

But a little tiny hard ball coming at me at 90 miles an hour. That was a bit too much for me. It wasn't until high school that I stopped being like scared of the ball, but uh, so it always scared you a little bit until high school. Yeah, when I started wearing a cup and like lifting weights and stuff, I was like, all right, I'm fine. If this thing hits me in the chest or whatever, I'll be all right if the hit's been both.

What if he hit you in the face? I have a glove, I'll catch it. Well, I mean, like you were just not so certain about that. A pitch. I mean, a pitch. Yeah, that's true. I love my butt. But you were like, oh, pop fly.

Yeah, it's a line drive. I'm going to catch it. Pop flies. By the way, Miss Judge, when I was 16, I was an alternate on our American Legion team. Well, no, I was on the team, but I like basically rode the bench. I was the youngest guy on the team, and I really would only get in the game

if we were up by 20. And we were a really, really good team. There was like a lot of counted, very big guys. And we won the Rhode Island State Championship, which was the first time that this team from Newport maybe had ever done it, or had done it a long time, I can't remember what we're called,

are in our construction. So, and my coach was Ronald McDonald, that's where we got his name, who was a character. But, yeah, it's insane. But anyway, so we go to the state championship, right? And, I mean, we go to the regional championships, we move up, so we go to the state championship, right? And I mean, we go to the regional championships. We move up, so we're, we've, we've beat every team in Rhode Island.

And now we're going to play the team that's beat every team in Massachusetts, a much bigger state. The guys getting off the bus from the Massachusetts team, I think they're from Quincy Mass just outside of Boston are, it looks like they're the fucking New England Patriots. These guys are huge and probably, right it out, you know what I mean? Like this is like when like, Roy's a floater around a little bit

and like even if you're a high school kid, you probably get a hold of it. So these guys demolish us. They demolish us, but our shortstop, it was a really good player, I won't say that, but like famously, would never wear a cup. He was like, he was like, I don't wear a cup. Well, one of these meatballs from Quincy.

He's riffs a line drive. So hard at our short stop. And it takes like one bad hop and drills them right in the nuts. And he's down. He's down like, they gotta get an ambulance, like get him off the field. So, yeah. And I'm thinking like, oh, this is bad.

But am I going in the game? Yeah. No, no, oh, this is bad. What am I going in the game? Yeah. No, no, I was worried about it. So we lose, that's it. The adventure's over. We're getting bus home. And he's recovered. He's like, got ice and he's back from the wherever

and he's got to live. And the poor guy, the jokes that he's enduring on the ride home, like, hey man, I was a ballsy play. Or like, that was nuts. Or took a lot of balls again in front of that one. You know, he's like, stop it guys. Oh, he was like, you guys, stop it, that's funny. So yeah, so we're a cop.

Does he have kids? I don't know. I don't know what's become of them. Yeah, or what became of his balls What became his boss what became of his balls? Yeah, maybe you can tell Meg his real name and we can get our research department on Yeah, find out what happened to his balls Sure, well that I got oh, I don't know. I kind of want to know what happened to his ball I lost one of them for sure what happened to his balls. Sure, well that I got. I don't know. I kind of want to know what happened to his balls. What happened to his balls? Yeah, well I lost one of them for sure. Yeah, that's great.

Yeah. Oh man. Yeah, that's the kind of thing that scared me about that. That's why I mean, that scared the shit out of me. Yeah, kind of thing. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, it just that the ball just kept getting faster and faster the older I got.

I mean, and the size of the players, I mean, I like, I knew I was done with football when I went to summer training in 10th grade. I went to summer training and the kids had just like, I just hadn't really hit that big growth spurt yet. I was maybe still like 5, 7, 5, 8. And I was getting on the field with basically grown men, grown men who are like 300 pounds, and all of a sudden those hitting drills that I used to love, I was like, oh, I'm gonna get my brains.

Size is a factor in sports for sure, but yeah, that's all the more impressive guys, like Dustin Padroya or Jose Altude, I remember going to the Phillies game and being like, wow, I'm like the same size as Padroia. Yeah. I'm taller than Altubei. And he's like, these guys have been like league MVP's. Yeah. So the only thing that matters.

No, but the only thing that matters. Skill is a big part of it too, apparently. Sure. Yeah. She also didn't have that. I had some of it. No, no, I had some of it. I had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it.

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You had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it. You had some of it. I was like a wide receiver or running that, like I wanted, you know, I wanted the glamor positions. I guess you're just more... I can't speak well. More talented at other things than you could have been athletes maybe, but you pursued a different talent. Well, it was that, you know,

he was at that moment that I realized I was like, I should just do theater, I should, do you think show business is the same way? Like with pro sports, you can work your ass off. And you should, you know, like the guys who make it, it's the combination of the talent plus the hard work for short, right? But like, it kind of like either are,

or are not gonna be a professional athlete, right? It's either like, it's in the cards for you, or it's not, you think, show business is the same thing? I think so, yeah. I think to a degree, look, I's either like, it's in the cards for you or it's not. You think show business is the same thing? I think so. Yeah. I think to a degree, look, I think, look, there's the odd person in show business that just kind of falls into it, right? They're like at a Starbucks at the right time

and they've got the right look and they just fall in. But then you gotta be able to get a good audience over as well, right? Like you find that person's Starbucks, you put them in the movie. It's not just, yeah, because it's not just about talent. It's not even just about hard work, although it is about those two things also, but it also is about your ability to accept rejection

of which there is a shitload. It's a huge part of it. In this business, you have to be able to withstand a lot of rejection. Everybody does. Everybody, even, you know, be able to withstand a lot of rejection. Everybody does. Everybody, even, you know, decaprio early in his career was dealing with a lot of rejection. You know, and you push, if you are the type of person to push through that, you know, either because you just don't listen to dissent and you're hard-headed or you just want

it so bad that you're willing to push through it is like, do you want it enough? And I do think that this is one of those businesses where you really, you have to have a thick skin or a really fucking hard head. You talk about in here in this episode, there's kind of the joke about how Mac is idolizing a player that's actually younger than him, which is like a weird thing that happens

at a certain point in your life. But did you guys have any like, either in sports or in acting, any role models that you looked up to like that in such a major edge? Do you ever write any fan letters or anything when you were younger? Well, first of all, from baseball perspective, I idolized Ricky Henderson, who like, he played on the Oakland A's, he was like the fastest guy in baseball. He has the stolen base record, but he was also an amazing hitter.

He, you know, could hit for power. And I don't know why. I honed in on Ricky Henderson other than he was just a dynamic, really good player. And I just, you know, I like, at baseball covers and posters of Ricky and I just like, I remember like, I would have like dreams that like,

we met in the park and we're like having a catch or whatever, like, what's like, Mac. And then I remember going to a socks game with my buddies, Chris and Carl one time, and we see Ricky Henderson, like, across the street. He's coming out of the stadium. And I go, and it just comes out of me, I go, RACHI! And he like, turns just comes out of me, I go, rock, I!

And he like turns, he looks at me, like not in a like excited, that someone has barked at him in this way. And I'm just like, you're the greatest man. That was my, you just transformed into like a six year old. I did. It turns out to show, there's lots of people I love and admire. Guys, I think we've done it. I feel like we've, there's a show, there's lots of people I love and admire.

Guys, I think we've done it. I feel like we've done it. Rob, how are you feeling? Do you feel like you got all your thoughts out and you've expressed? Okay, good. All right, yeah. All right, so Rob's feeling good about it. Yeah, good.

You know, this is one of the beautiful things. When you get to know somebody so well, they don't even need to be here. And you can hear their voice in your head, even though exactly how they would respond to things. That's pretty special. Yeah, it's pretty sweet. So Rob, thanks for being here today with us,

even though you couldn't physically be here, your presence has felt. And the spirit of you is always with us. Oh, I think you said fuck you. It definitely said fuck you. You definitely told me to fuck off. That's it, that's the show. you