The Ariel Helwani Show - Alex Pereira in studio, Sean O'Malley, Alexander Volkanovski,  CSAC's Andy Foster in studio on recent reffing controversies, news & notes

Episode Date: June 17, 2026

Ariel Helwani kicks off the the show by covering some news and notes (06:52), before being joined in studio by California State Athletic Commission Executive Director Andy Foster, who discusses regulation for the UFC’s White House card, Herb Dean’s handling of Ciryl Gane’s win over Alex Pereira, Ilia Topuria being able to continue with his damaged eye, MVP’s MMA card on Netflix, the New York Times report about Conor McGregor using “banned drugs,” disclosed fighter purses, and more (16:10). Sean O'Malley is back following his big White House win over Aiemann Zahabi, diving into the differences of the card from a normal fight week, additional pressure and preparation for the fight, his weight cut, believing he deserved a bonus for his knockout, who he wants to fight next, his salute celebration, Justin Gaethje’s massive main event upset, and more (59:49). Ariel and the crew react to Islam Makhachev vs. Ian Machado Garry being announced for August, World Cup action, Paramount download data for the White House card, Floyd Mayweather’s reported money issues, and more (1:33:09). UFC featherweight champion Alexander Volkanovski returns to discuss cornering Mauricio Ruffy at the UFC White House, Ilia Topuria’s performance against Justin Gaethje, Topuria’s chances in a rematch, expectations for Conor McGregor vs. Max Holloway, when he plans to return, and more (2:26:32). Before the next guest, Ariel answers your Super Chats (2:52:35). Alex Pereira joins Ariel in-studio to express frustration with the stoppage in his fight against Ciryl Gane. Plus, coach Plinio Cruz’s details his reaction to the final sequence, then Pereira talks about whether he thinks Gane is a dirty fighter, referee Herb Dean’s decision-making and past controversies, wanting to use this situation to improve future officiating and fighter safety, wanting a rematch, planning to stay at heavyweight, Josh Hokit’s continued trash talk, and more (3:18:00). Ariel finishes the show with a few more Super Chats (4:28:28).

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Earth. Wednesday, Joseph Dutchevito. And 26, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing. Well, we are certainly riding high here at A-H-Inck, or should I say A-H-Inck? Something like that. It has been a tremendous week of programming here. It has been a tremendous few days.

I mean, ever since, I was telling this to Rick as I was leaving the studio yesterday, I feel like life has truly changed for all of us. You just walk outside in New York City. Everyone is in such a good mood. Everyone is so happy. The sunsets have been beautiful. The vibes have been tremendously high. The mood is, I mean, it's off the charts right now.

And I just feel like the world is healing. The wars are going to end. The fighting is going to end. The arguing, the segregation, the animosity, the tension. It's all going to be healed. as a result of what happened Saturday night in San Antonio. Last night, at around 9, I was thinking to myself, I'd be crapping my pants right now if game 6 was going on.

Instead, I was walking to a ice cream shop near our house with my family, just like marveling at life. Oh, look at the deer over there. Spreading ticks around our lawn. Look at the bunny rabbits over there. Look at macha, having just a wonderful, wonderful time, eating all the garbage next to the ice cream shop. It's just an amazing time to be alive.

World Cup is going on. Yeah, I mean, you got the World Cup. You've got Messi scoring a hatcher. We are going to look back on this as one of those sort of demarcation lines where it's like, oh, everything changed. Tomorrow's the parade. I will be there. Do you guys need me as a correspondent? Should I call in or should I just focus?

It's still going on? Absolutely. Absolutely. You don't think it'll be still going on at 1 o'clock? I just don't know. Yeah, I don't know either. If it is, then we'd love to have you. And you talk about how great this summer is I'm, I'm nostalgic for this summer and we're still in.

We're still in it. We're still in it. It's so good. It's going to be December 14th. And we're going to be like, do you remember June? Do you remember how we were feeling? You remember when we went, Nicks won the finals. We were all in New York.

McGregor came in studio. Yeah. Coming back. We did the UFC White House. World Cup was on fire. Those were good times. Those were good times, man. We're going to miss these days.

I already know that much. And, yeah, Armin on Monday was an absolute banger. Obviously, yesterday, thank you to all who watched. I was looking two of the top four videos in the uncrowned era. In the last two days? Wow, that is wild. Amazing. And then let's just follow it up with Alex Pereira in studio today at 4 o'clock.

Alex Volcanowski, prior to that, at around 315. And Sugar Sean O'Malley at around 2. O'clock. Is that enough? Is that good enough? Oh, by the way, let's have Andy Foster of the California State Athletic Mission who is overseeing the White House event also in studio in about 50 minutes time. Is that enough? Is that good enough? Oh, you have a wrestler on. Ooh, you talk about the Knicks. There ain't no show like this on the planet. There never will be a show like this on the planet as far as combat sports is concerned. And dare I say, as far as sports are concerned in terms of the newsmakers in the sport that we cover, there ain't a show like this, and there will never be

a show like this. And I have no problem saying that, because we have put in the time, we have put in the effort to make the show what it is today. And so I'm so, so, so excited about today's show, so excited about where we're at, so excited about what's to come. I do have to say, I looked at the sushi place, and on the website, I tried to make a reservation, and it said, for parties greater than six, you have to call. So initially, I had a bit of a heart attack, because I was like, oh no, are they booked? Very possible, small place. But now I have to call.

And then I thought, who's going to get the call? Like, hey, like, it's just too tight. You know, like, we just, you know, who's going to? No one. I'll call for you. Call them up. Because I really want you guys to experience this. What's the name of the place, man?

Yeah, what is it? Can I just say it? Why not? I don't know. We're not going to give them the day. We're not going to give them the day. It's not like we're going to not talk about it the next day after we go. Right, we're probably going to talk about it a lot before and after, right?

We might as well find out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. K-A-M-E-O-M-A-K-A-M-A-K-A-S-E-XE. 3616, West Spring Mountain Road, Suite 103. Maybe we didn't have to do it. Well, I mean, just, I'm trying to give them. Wow, 4.7 on 1,900 reviews. Yeah.

How many Michelin Stars? Who knows? Who cares? Frankie, do me a favor, and call them up real quick. Should we call them live on the air? Yeah. Can we do that? Are we smoking the boom batty in the parking lot?

The person we talked to. Yes. Hello, I'm calling on behalf of the AH Inc. program. I can call them as well. Oh, my God. How many people are going to call on our behalf? I don't know. Who do we trust with this task?

Do we trust the intern with this? Or do we think that a steady hand like Frank Lenz would be able to do it? Hello, I'm Frank Lenz calling on behalf of A.H. Inc. I can hear it right now. Hey, man. Mysterious, Frank? Hey, man. Looking to make a reservation for you. Hey man.

Konichiwa. I have set many reservations for us that have gone off well. Arrogato for your time. I'm looking at the pictures of this place looks absolutely insane. No, no. Yo, there's cantaloupe for 50 bucks, man. It says you've never tried anything. It doesn't impress me.

It does impress you. Because you said it's really not that good, but it costs $50. It's $50 because it's grown on special trees in Japan that they ship in once a day. What is this lobster carpaccio? I'm telling you guys. Do you think I'd be hyping it up this much if it wasn't legit? We're going to take up the whole restaurant. There's only like 10 seats in that.

I know. That's the thing that is. Mrs. on there is going to be in Vegas. She's invited, right? She actually might enjoy it more than I will. I don't know if that was part of the deal. What, we're doing plus ones now? No, I just won't go. I just won't go.

Wow. We're doing the signature Omaha, yeah? Whatever it is. I don't know. Whatever the big one is. Anyway, there's a lot to get into, my friends. there's a lot happening. There's a lot of guests.

We're still flying high. Could you imagine what it was like for old victim Wenbenyama? He's watching the World Cup yesterday, his French team Le Bleu going up against Senegal. They win 3-1. Could you imagine what he was feeling when these fine gentlemen are on the screen? Just having a grand old time at MetLife.

There he is. McKell Bridges. Ah, yes, OG, Ananobe, and our sharpshooter off the bench, Mr. Miles, aka Deuce McBride, just enjoying the game. Do you think he was triggered? Do you think he was upset? These guys are. Talk about the summer of our lives.

These dues are having the summer of their lives. They're going everywhere. I saw a thing where Mike Brown was getting a standing ovation with the finest restaurants in New York City. What about tonight at Yankee Stadium? It's going to be a dual first pitch, ceremonial first pitch? I mean, Jordan, you got to pull up to this. Josh and Jalen throwing out the first pitch? Maybe I should just go for the first inning,

see them throw out the first pitch, and then get rested for the parade. That's a good job. So what is the verdict? You are going, right? Yeah, so Dan, who's going to Wally pit me again. What a legend this Dan is? Paul Derek must have been listening to the show.

What a guy. Said, let Jordan go to the parade. So shout out to Dan. Great guy. He can have my job. Unbelievable, yeah. Now we know who's truly committed to the job. but it's good that you're going.

I'm going as well. Not really sure what to expect. I'm just going to tape it. If it's a, you know, if it's a mess, we go back home and watch it on TV, right? I feel like that's the move. That has to be the move. By the way, also at the World Cup yesterday, right here, he didn't give me a call for some reason. Mr. Cyril Gan, Bon Gamain.

He was there being celebrated. Pretty damn cool. What a week he's having, right? He's there, obviously supporting Les Bleu, big time stuff. Nice to see him. his flowers. They're talking about him at the G7 summit. Look at Bougain Man out there.

Later today, the three lions, who we have much affinity for, we'll be playing at 4 o'clock. Let's see what they're saying about them over on Kalshi. What are they saying about the three lions? England, Croatia, 57%, Croatia, 19%. So what's the rest? So I guess a draw. A draw 26%.

Okay. Three lines? Is it coming home? Let me tell you something. If you're a fan of the English football team, you've got to be thinking to yourself, if it happened for the Knicks, it can happen for us. Why not? Why the hell not? As we said yesterday, Connor McGregor joined us in studio.

A lot of people weighing in on that. If you haven't seen it, it's up on the channel right now. Featured video, check it out. It's what I think to be an interesting watch. Where do we stand right now as far? as Kalshi is concerned, this fight coming up rapidly approaching July 11th, Las Vegas. All right, so not much has changed. Thought maybe people would have a difference of opinion.

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Early in the program, I mentioned that Alex Pereira is going to be joining us and Andy Foster as well. Obviously, the finish of the Surreal Gun versus Alex Pereira fight, much discussed. Alex Pereira weighing in on social media on his YouTube channel. He's making it known that he is very upset. at Herb Dean. He feels like the shots were to the back of the head. He feels like he was wronged. He wants a rematch. He's posting things like this on social media. That's a picture of Herb Dean with a no, with an X and a no. Not very subtle, but that's how he feels better at all. He did a whole

video on his YouTube channel in Portuguese talking about it. Obviously, we'll talk to him about it on today's program. Here's Herb Dean taking to social media to defend himself. The White House car was amazing, I can't imagine a way it could have been better. I can tell by some of the comments online that I owe you guys an explanation about the rules and how I refereed the fight. First of all, all respect to both fighters, I'm talking about Gan and Paheia. Amazing fight. Okay, so let's get into it with this rule. Okay, the rule we're talking about is the back of the head, and that's confusing because it's different than boxing. And the way we enforce this rule, is we focus on the nape of the neck and that's really what the rules should be called.

The nape of the neck or occipital junction also covers the spine and it covers a line right here with one inch variance to either side so right here. So this is what we go over in a rules meeting. I will let them know that this area is a file off limits, that this area is a fair blow. Here is a fair blow. Turn to the side so we can see it here. here is a fair blow, here is a foul. Hopefully that's useful to you guys and clear things up at all. Also, I'm going to make another video about telling the story about the history of this rule and how it was made, and I think that might explain why this is here,

because I think that's more there for politics. But I think it is an interesting story. Okay, so there you have it. You know, say what you will about Herb Dean. He does go out of his way to try to explain himself, and I do appreciate that transparency. at least the effort. A lot of other officials don't do that.

It's one of the reasons why I respect Andy Foster so much because he does that as well. And he's going to be joining us in a matter of moment. So stay tuned for that. Speaking of commission related things, Rico Verhoeven posted this on his social media this morning. And it's basically a confirmation that they filed an appeal and that they found out yesterday, the commission's decision, we're talking about the Alexander Usik fight, of course. The ruling confirm, I'm reading his statement, that the bell ended, excuse me, the bell

ending round 11 had already sounded before the referee physically waved off the fight. The official timekeeper said exactly that the ringside doctor also confirmed that I showed no signs of confusion or disorientation after the bout. The commission's view was that none of those findings changed the outcome. Look, this has never been a about. taking anything away from Alexander. He's one of the greatest fighters of this generation. I have nothing but respect for what he's achieved. What stays with me is the feeling that after 11 unforgettable rounds on one of the biggest and most epic stages in the world, the story simply

stop before it reached its ending. He continues to say that, look, he's okay with it. He's at peace with it, but at the very end of his statement, he makes it very clear, I'll be ready, Alexander. I want a rematch in so many words. And so these appeals don't usually go, you know, as the fighters who are appealing plan, they don't usually get reversed. But in the end, he tried. And in the end, I think he's just trying to make his case for, hey, let me get another crack. Let me try to write this wrong. Let me try to do this the right way. We're going to take a quick break. If you're watching us on the Yahoo Sports Network, if you're on YouTube, stay right there. matter of seconds, we're going to be joined by Andy Foster, who is the executive director of the

California State Athletic Commission, excuse me. He's also the chairman of the Rules Committee of the Association of Boxing Commissions. He's a WBO Hall of Famer, and he was overseeing the event at the White House. So it's a great, great privilege to have him. He just so happens to be in New York City. And so let us say hello to the one and only Andy Foster, who I do believe is standing by and about to enter our tremendous studio. Is he there? There he is. Hello, Andy.

This is great. Great to see you. Welcome to our studio. So nice to have you here. Eric's going to bring a chair for you. We're going to lose this up right here. How fortuitous is this? I just happen to reach out to you.

You're a tall man. So you can move this whichever way you like. Yeah. Is this okay? This is movable. Just to get it up a little bit closer to your mouth, if you don't mind. Yeah. That's perfect.

Okay. Is that okay? That good, guys? Yeah? Perfect. Thank you, Frank. I just wanted to reach out to you and ask you what you thought about this controversial fight, Pereira Gan, controversial. And you happened to tell me that you're in New York on vacation.

Yeah. Just like that. I am. I thought maybe you were a diehard Knicks fan and you wanted to get a sense of the mood here after the championship. I'll tell you, I was pleased that the Knicks won because I'm not really a basketball person, but I follow you. Oh, yes. And I know you wanted them. I appreciate that.

I'm still on cloud nine right now. Nothing can bother me. Nothing can upset me. It's great to experience all of it. It's great to have you here. And you're just on vacation with family. Yeah. After the Washington event, we took the train up.

Love it. Just honestly, my little girl wanted to go to the Jelly Cat Diner at F.A.O. Schwartz. Oh, yeah. Tremendous. Of course. Have you been yet? Yeah. We went yesterday.

We're going again today. Back to back. Yeah. She likes. That's amazing. Well, I'm sorry for taking you away from. your family. Oh, no. They're enjoying it. They're in the studio looking around. Amazing. Okay. So this is just another thing that you can cross off the list.

Yeah. We won't keep you too, too long, but there's a lot of interesting things to talk to you about. What I found most interesting right off the bat was you were overseeing the White House event. Well, me and Jeff and Tim Shipman, we were there together. So how does this work? Your California State Athletic Commission executive director, but because this was on federal ground, the ABC Commission was overseeing it? The ABC itself. Okay. And the ABC, me, Jeff, and Tim were there. And what was that like for you to not be, I know you came from Georgia than California,

but to not be in your home state overseeing an event. Was that unique for you or is that something you've done from time to time? I did the Iraq event back in 2009 or 10 when we did the fight night for the troops in Mosul. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Flew over there. But I don't leave California much or. or Georgia, I don't leave my home state much. That's, I think it's probably the last time.

But this was absolutely an honor. I mean, it was like a, I mean, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, for, for the, for the, for the, for all, for all, you know, that's the people's house. So it was very, it was very, it was very cool. Were there any challenges because it was such a unique event as opposed to your typical MMA event? Uh, I, I, I, I, I didn't think, I thought the UFC's production, it's production.

. was so good, was so good. And the officials that we used were, I think you would agree, that was the best you can get. That's the best officials that we could have. I mean, we pulled really good officials. And so it all went off really, really well. I was curious about little things like the morning wands were at 11 a.m. As opposed to typically they're at 9 a.m. on the East Coast or West Coast, 9 a.m. local time.

Was that because the press conference was late the night before, or was there another reason why the weigh-ins on Saturday morning were a little bit later? I don't know what the rationale was for why they went a little bit later. But, yeah, they were later. It was fine. I think there were a lot of people that were having trouble getting in the flights. Like there was storm systems and stuff. I know I was delayed. I know everybody that I knew that was coming was delayed just about. Okay. So that 9 a.m. start time for the morning way, and is that just an arbitrary time that has just been kind of set as the standard?

Yeah. Okay. There's no, there's no like rule that says it has to be at 9 a.m. No. Okay. No. We, we let the promoter decide. Remember, I did the first early way. I remember. UFC 199. Yeah. So we just let the promoter pick. I just want to get the fighters hydrated. That's the important thing to me is we all know that they've cut a tremendous amount of weight. and I want to get them hydrated as soon as possible they can start rehydrating.

I'm just curious. Josh Hokit coming up there and pretending like he had thrown up on himself and all that. Is that something that you have to look into or do you recognize that he's just kind of playing a character? No, he's all, he does it. If that had been the first time he'd ever done something ridiculous, then, yeah, we'd have looked into it.

But we knew him. He went around the thing and he's laughing. So, like, it's just a, it's just part of his act. Okay. And he's a heavyweight aerial. So, like, when he weighs in, I mean, you just got to record it down. On Sunday, it was interesting because of the weather. They had to delay things a little bit.

Did that make things tricky for you? It wasn't a massive delay, but if there's an arena show, there's no delay whatsoever. And so I was just wondering from a commission standpoint if there were any sort of bumps there. Well, I mean, we moved into the Eisenhower executive office building. and we put all of our people in there because we thought it was going to rain. But, no, I mean, we were planning to start later, but then the weather pattern just broke. It was very odd. It just went in two different directions. And the White House was fine.

So we just got right back to work. As you're sitting there and everything's unfolding early on, you're a proud American. You're sitting on the White House lawn. What are you feeling in that moment? It was surreal. It was a surreal moment to look around and see the White House. And what I thought of while I was sitting there is I remember not too long ago, and I remember, because I was deeply involved in it,

I remember not too long ago we were fighting for legalization of this sport. And now we're sitting on the White House line in arguably the most, I mean, that's an iconic event. I don't know how that's topped, but it was, I mean, you've had fighter planes flying over. At one point you had a B-1 with its afterburners coming when it got dark. It's just amazing. The President of the United States, First Lady, First Family, most of the cabinet, lots of famous people. they're all just right there and everybody's cheering on fighters as they fight on the White House lawn.

It was very American. Yeah. Did you get a chance to meet the president? I did. What was that like? He's very, very gracious. I thought he was very nice. And so you're watching it.

It's, I mean, a pretty spectacular event as far as the action is concerned. All finishes, seven fights, all finishes. Nice tidy event. I'm not trying to advocate for less fights for fighters, but there was something nice about like a seven-fight card, if you will. I do want to ask you about two particular endings. First, let's start with the co-main event, because that's the reason why I actually initially reached out to you. Alex Pereira versus Sorrell Gan. Alex Pereira has since come out and said that he's pretty upset with regards to Herb Dean in particular and the shots that he say were to the back of the head.

What do you think about those shots? Were they illegal? Should the fight have been stopped? Well, I mean, it was during a sequence. And I think what started the sequence was he was hurt. And then he proceeded to like, I mean, he was scrambling and Cyril was trying to finish him. And we have saw that time and time and time again and fight after fight after fight. And I'm sure that there are a few that got through that were probably to the back of the head.

But I think Herb did exactly the right thing. I think a lot of them punches caught the ear. I thought a lot of them were legal. Probably some were not. But it was just, it's a fist fight. They're fighting each other. And we do have rules, but it was happening very quickly. And some of the movements that he was doing was, like, I think when he's aiming, like, he's moving too.

So it's causing some of the things, you know, it's causing some of these things to happen. And I talked to Herb about it, and I think Herb has looked at it in depth, and he's looked at a video, and he's going to probably try to do something that shows a little bit more cleaner about what exactly happened. But I don't think you can interrupt a sequence like that with that much action going on. I understand that you're throwing punches and a fighter is moving, the opponent is moving, So it's hard to land it exactly. But is there a case to be made that, like, if it does, it does. And that's still an illegal shot.

Like if an illegal shot lands whether or not you tried to hit someone illegally, it still did land. And that's worth stopping the fight or at least halting the fight. Well, that's a judgment call for the referee. Yeah. And the referee didn't make that call in this time. Were you okay with how it was refereed? I was. Okay.

And to be clear, the back of the head, can you show? show us what your definition is of back of the head? Well, I mean, it's, it's, it's that, that strip down the middle. Yeah. Okay. We used to call it the headphones rule. We don't do that anymore. It's like that strip down the middle. So basically, you take like the spine, you take like an inch on each side and run it up. And pretty much everything else is okay. So if you catch an ear with a fist or, you know, it's okay. So if it hits the ear but also hits there, if it's touching the ear, that means it's okay? Yeah. Okay. That's what they're trained. You know, I remember the, uh, Steve Bazaadi refereing the Brocklesser versus Frank

Mirr fight and there was a whole big scramble and that one, he did stop the fight, you know, mid-scramble. In retrospect, do you think that was wrong? I know the sport has evolved since then, but that's one where I think like, oh, wow, this guy was on the verge of finishing, just like surreal was, but the fight was stop and then, you know, a DQ was called. Look, it's hard to go back and with the, just like you said, there's been an evolution in the way that we're doing these things, and I think we learn from that experience.

So I don't, do I think that would have been stopped now? I mean, some of it depends on the referee that you get because they have styles. But I would have to go back and see, it's been a long time since I saw that fight, but you'd have to go back and see how many of those were actually getting through. But, you know, and remember, like I just told you,

A lot of times, especially back then, we were using something called, I don't know if it was that far back, but we're using something for a long time called the headphone rule. Yeah. Or essentially, like, you have a head and everything. The whole back is covered versus now where it's just that strip, which makes more sense. That soft part, if you can feel your head. You don't want to hit the soft part. Okay. So to the best of your knowledge, you were okay with everything that transpired there.

Look, Ariel, I'm not saying there wasn't one or more that got through. but when you take the whole series, I was okay with it. Okay. And what happened. But, I mean, he was moving. Some of those things, had he not been moving like he was, I don't think Cyril Gahn would have hit him in the back of the head. Does that make sense?

Sure. Okay. So, like, I don't think Cyril Gahn just up and just, is trying to foul him. I don't think that's what's going on here. I think there's a lot of movement going on. He's targeting. He's trying to scramble. And this is just, and he's trying to finish him.

It's interesting because even when Pereira is talking about it, he's referencing things that Surreal has done in the past. And he's saying like essentially like I tried to warn her beforehand of X, Y, and Z. Is that fair? Should a referee take into account someone's history, previous infractions when refereeing a fight? Well, I think they start fresh. Everybody gets a thing, but it would be irresponsible not to know who you're, some history of who you're referee and some of the things that they've, done. But I'm not certain because I didn't look at the odds because that's not something I participate in. But I would imagine that Cyril was the underdog going into that fight. I don't

know for sure. I think he was the favorite. Was he the favorite? Okay, well, if he was, so he was the favorite. But it had to be close then. It was a very close fight, probably on paper. And look, he just caught him. I mean, The scramble wouldn't have happened if he hadn't had caught him. He caught him, and I think that's where the scramble started, and then Cyril just automatically tried to finish him, just like every other fighter would try to finish. Okay, so that's the common event.

Your stance very clear, and I appreciate it. Now, main event, I was curious about something that happened in between the third and fourth round, where you see that it's clear that Ilias is busted up, can't see. Doctor comes in, and he's shaking his head, like, this fight can continue. And then it appears as though Mark Garder, the referee, then comes in, and another doctor comes in, and there's maybe a disagreement. And according to the rules, correct me if I'm wrong, ultimately, the referee is the one who is going to be able to decide

if this fight is going to continue. The doctor recommends, but the referee makes the call. And so tell me if I'm wrong there. And also, how do you feel about how that whole sequence played out? That's the case in every state, but California, I think. California, the doctor has the Okay. But we were under ABC rules, and Mark Goddard had the best view. He was looking at it, and the doctor was looking at it as well. But the doctor, you know, there was a couple of things that were going on here. For one thing, I was right there, and I was listening to this, but now I don't speak Spanish, but I mean, you can tell. And he wanted to continue. He absolutely wanted to continue. He did not want to in that fight. So the fighter himself,

is wanting this thing to continue. And then when the other doctor got in, took a look, they conversed, and Mark Goddard let it go out for the fourth round as the fighter wanted. And I saw a lot of fights. That's a championship fight, huge fight. It's the main event. Take the White House piece away from it.

It's the main event in the biggest stage in the world, UFC. I think Deporia has earned the right to swim in the deep end of the pool. And we, you know, I think it was correct in that circumstance, in that circumstance,

to let him go out there. If it's been a three-round debut fight in California or some, you know, a place that's not called UFC that were they're just getting started, you're going to look at that a little bit different because you don't have the history of the fighter, but this fighter was undefeated, still had a chance to win.

He was still in this thing until he wasn't. Right. And, I mean, he was certainly declining, but I think I could make the argument at the Gates. He was tired as well. And so why in California? Why is California the only state in which the referee can't overrule the doctor? You'd be the best person to ask this question. Well, there might be one more state that.

does this. Most notably, yeah. California, it's just in our statutes that if the doctor wants a fight stopped, there's no question. It's like that should be the call, right? Like the doctor is the medical expert, right? Shouldn't the doctor be the one to make that call ultimately? Well, most of the time, the doctor, it's very rare that you have a referee that will not agree with the doctor. And I think what happened in this situation was the doctor initially, but then upon consultation, he decided to let it go. I've never seen, or I can't remember two doctors weighing in and one sort of disagreeing with the other. Is that common? Oh, yeah, that happens. Okay. How many doctors are usually overseeing? That night, I believe there were, I believe there were two or three.

Okay. But in California, we have on a fight like a UFC, we have four or five. Okay, and they can all weigh in? No, they're assigned to each five, but like Dr. Wallace in California is our head doctor. We have a fight like that. He's always going to be the person assigned. And he's real, like, I guarantee you he would let that fight go. I bet good money on that. And I think most of the fight doctors see a lot of fights let that go in between that, okay, especially if the fighter's wanting to continue and if the corner had done some things to get the eye open enough so we could see good. Do me favor, if you don't mind the microphone. Yeah, you can move it. Yeah, you're a strong guy. Former fighter, right? What was your record again? I don't know, Ariel.

I haven't looked it up in a long time. Should I look it up real fast? Just for fun, just for fun. Because people don't know this about you. You actually made the walk. Here it is. Nine and two. What a record.

Is that accurate? Yeah. I love the fact that your tapology page has you in a suit with the California, like not you as a fighter. Oh, I didn't know. I've never seen that. You never looked it up? I've never seen that.

Your last fight was when? In Russia. I don't know when. Maybe 2006 or seven, something like that. Bowdog? You found a bow dog? Yeah. Yeah, I got knocked out in that fight.

Opponent name? Sue you have. Yeah. Yeah. You never wanted to get revenge against them. No, look, I had a fight going up. I had a fight in Montreal scheduled in 2008. And then I got appointed as like the boxing commissioner in Georgia.

Okay. So. You couldn't do it? You can't do both. Brian Ebersol you fought. Yeah. UFC vet. Yeah.

That's a great, I mean, it's a great record. Oh, well, thank you. Yes. Yeah. A lot of people, I think, don't know this about you. Okay, I'm not trying to take us off the path here. Fighters like Armant-Sarukian brought up like, hey, this seemed to have added some rest time for Ilya. Like, why are we giving him more time?

Did you have any issue with it being after the one-minute break in between rounds? Look, there's people that say that. Justin's getting to rest too. Yeah. Okay. And I 100% get that. But Ariel, we've got to be sure more than we've got to make sure. We've got to make, we've got to be sure.

This is a big fight. We've got to make sure. If the fighter are still wanting to fight and the doctors are still needing a little bit of time. I'm not saying a lot of time, but a little time to talk it over and to look at him. I'm fine with that. Okay. It's sort of like our thing with, I know you saw it in boxing, where if they get knocked down real, real hard, okay, and they're supposed to beat the count. And then when they get up, you've seen

referees like Jack Reese or Tom Taylor ask them to walk and come over, just to check them. Okay, some people, I've had a lot of referees in boxing argue to me that that's given extra time. It's better than them getting absolutely like, well, you've got to make sure that they can defend themselves. Okay. What did you, were you surprised when his corner stopped the fighting between the fourth and fifth? No, I wasn't. That's perfect. The corner did their job. Yeah. And I think at that point, I think everybody would have, would have, I mean, that fight was going to get stopped whether his corner.

I think that's reasonable to make that assumption. But his corner did, the corner did their job. They're perfect. That was perfect. Do you have any kind of theory as to why we see more corner stoppages in boxing as opposed to MMA? Yeah. I do have a history of thoughts on that. And I think we'll see more in mixed martial arts as it evolves because a lot of the,

of the trainers that are coming up or have been in the game long enough now to where they're starting to gain experience. But a lot of times like, I mean, I just go through the trains with Robert Garcia and just a list of the trainers that we have, Manny Robles. I mean, you can go on and on. They've done it. They know. And I think they get when they've had enough.

And then you've got these good trainers like in mixed martial arts. are coming, that are coming up, that are really developing a lot of people. Like, you've got the guy in New Mexico, who, you know, who did John Jones' stuff back, a coach? Greg Jackson? Yeah, Greg Jackson. And you've got like Eric, I think, in Las Vegas, Eric Nixie. Yeah.

And you've got all these different places that are coming up with different coaches, and they've getting like pretty big stables. And they've been around long enough to know that when their fighter can take it and when they can't. And I think that's just something that's had to develop in mixed martial arts. Whereas also in boxing, like, you know, in boxing, it's not okay for the fighter himself to quit, but the corner can do it for you. You know, so that's a little bit different. Whereas in MMA, if you tap out, or if you quit or whatever. whatever. As long as you've put up a good effort, nobody gives you really a hard time,

as long as you've, you know, gave you your best shot. Of course, in boxing, if you just take a knee or you decide to quit without getting either knocked out or like stopped hard, people give you a hard time sometimes. Roberto Duran, until this day, you say no mas, you know exactly what you're talking about. Sure. It became like a stigma attached to him, right, that he said he didn't want to compete anymore. So overall, no real issues. It seems like you felt pretty good about what you were. what transpired on Sunday. I thought the, I thought the judging was perfect. I thought the,

well, but I was looking at the scores as they came back. We didn't have any deviations. And I thought that the, uh, the referee and was, was really good. I thought Mike Beltran had a really good night. I thought they all had a good night, but I thought, like, I thought they all did really, really well. Okay. Um, you know, right before you came in, I read a statement from Rico Verhoeven. He apparently appealed his, uh, his loss to Alexander. under Usik, it was denied, he wants a rematch. I'm just curious, did you watch that fight while we're talking about stoppages? And if so, what did you think of that stuff?

Is that the fight? Was it in Puerto Rico? Egypt. Egypt. Egypt. The pyramid one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

You know, the 11th round, it seemed like he was winning. And then the scorecards suggested otherwise, and there was this theory that, like, the boxing community didn't want the kickboxer to win his debut against someone like Usik. To me, that seemed a little bit off. And then the stoppage seemed way after the bell. Yeah. Yeah, I would have had an issue with that if I'd have regulated it. Sure, I understand.

Yeah. It's interesting with this boxing. Would you agree that sometimes in boxing there's this attitude of like, you know, how dare you think you could come into our sport? Because it's mostly people from the outside coming into boxing, not boxing, going to their sport. And when you look at those scorecards and when you look at that stoppage, it does lead to questions as to like how legitimate the whole thing.

thing was. Do you know what I mean? I do. Yeah. Do you feel that same way about boxing since you go back and forth? I have saw some things in boxing in some other countries that I don't think is okay. Like the boxing tourism, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. No. So for a long time, certain gyms and... promotions down to Mexico would bring like our California fighters down so they they would build

records. Oh, okay. That still goes on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And for a long time, there was a long time where Boxerick wouldn't accept their fights. Right. And that's just one example that I'm familiar with, but this happens pretty frequently. Yeah.

Because for whatever reason, if you have that loss in boxing, everybody's trying to get this massive record built up. so you can fight for something big. Right. Yeah, it's an interesting thing. And in that fight, I thought it was very glaring. The last major MMA event happened in your state was the MVP card. And I have a few questions about that. I was honored to be there.

That sequence at the end of the pre-limp fight, the Pumi Nakuta, Adriano Marais fight, I know it's only been a month ago, but so much has happened since then in your life. Do you remember this one? Yeah, that was the one with Herb, where the guy was asleep. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

I personally felt like it was after, that he only went out after the horn sounded, meaning he was still defending, fights should have ended, and then he went out because Adriano held on too long. How did you feel about it? Well, we watched it on replay a bunch of times that night. You saw us over there watching it. And Ariel, it's one of those things where replay has to show something absolutely definitive or you don't change the referee in the cage's decision.

It has to be, you have to be sure. To me, he looked like he was going out right as the, right as the bell sounded. Okay. But, I mean, you're talking about, like, he was asleep. I don't think anybody's denying he was asleep when the, when the fight was over, when Herb got him off. And I agree that he probably did hold a second or maybe a second of half, long, every

fighter does that. It's not unique to him, every fighter does that until the referee tells them to pull off. I mean, they're kind of told that in the back. Like, you know, so he held it. I don't think he was hearing the bell ring. I don't think fighters, a lot of times fighters don't hear that.

I think he was just, he knew it was a short time, and I think he was just doing what he does to try to win. Herb was getting him off, but yeah, I didn't have any issues with Herb. We watched that replay cage side a bunch of times. He has appealed that particular decision in California, and that'll be coming to the commission. My recommendation is already written out, but

which is what? I stand with what Herb did. I've watched it a bunch of times. Do you recall any time that someone has appealed a decision and it's actually been overturned? Oh, yeah. We had one. Yeah, yeah. Why does it feel like more often than not that doesn't have? happen. What's like one that comes up? Well, I would say that, well, we had that big fight. Man, it was a world championship fight there with with with with with with Ed Kalantes was the referee in boxing. It was the top rank. It was down in San Diego. And they came before the commission and yeah, they they they they they overturned it. I think to a no contest. So they they they the WBO ordered a rematch on it. Okay. Um,

So it does happen. I would say that nine times out of 10, it's not successful, but I would say 10% of the time it is successful. It happens more than you'd think. They wouldn't keep doing it if it never happened. When you saw how the main event played out that night, did you have any sort of like, maybe this was a mismatch or anything like that? Did it make you think twice? No, I mean, come on.

I was exactly sort of, I mean, nothing. I'm not trying to take anything away from Gina. It's just Rhonda has done that so many times. and I was surprised she went to the takedown that quickly. I was surprised about that, but I thought if it hit the ground that Rhonda would win quickly, and I thought if it stayed standing, Rhonda may have trouble. That's sort of what I thought in my mind.

I mean, I'm not sure she would have trouble, because I've not really looked at her striking, but if she was going to have trouble, I thought it would come from standing. I think her striking's improved as well. Just not probably, you know, Gina's been doing striking a long time. But, yeah, I mean, she's done that. How many times she's done that?

There's a lot of first round submissions from Rhonda. 11 or something? Yeah, it's a lot. Like, that one was really quick, but she's, I had her with UFC. Was it Katz in Ghana? Yeah. UFC 184. Yeah.

One second faster 10 years ago. Yeah. So it's not, that's what, that was my retort to people. would be like, this is crazy. Like, it's not that crazy. She did it for the vast majority of her career, and she stopped fighting. That was MVP's first MMA show, not their first event, obviously, and certainly not their first in California.

They were there last June, Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. against Jake Paul. As far as their MMA, you know, Maiden Voyage was concerned, how were they? Were they, you know, good? Was everything organized? How were they as a promoter? Oh, I thought they were fantastic. I mean, I didn't have any issues with, they did everything. needed them to do. I thought they were, I thought they were great. I mean, I thought they, you know,

when I think it's good for the fighters to, you know, the more promoters, sure, the, the, the, the, better. And that's where, you know, you and I've talked about Zofa boxing a lot on this show and different things. And I'm all for Zufa boxing as well. More promoters, the better. Right. And I think that, you know, but I thought they, I just thought they did really good. Netflix is a big platform. So that, that gives the fighters and it's good, you know, I think some of the fights, you know, Rhonda and Gina, that was a fast fight. Junior Dos Santos, that fight wasn't the best.

Some of the fights, certainly the early fights were really good. But I thought the fights were good. I mean, you know, look, UFC's really, really good at matchmaking. I mean, Sean Shelby and Mick are there. It's a gold standard, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not trying to take anything away from MVP. I thought they did a fantastic job, but, like, they'll get there. Sure.

You know, it's just, I mean, they're the, they're the, they're the, they're so good at it. They have a 30-year head start. They're just so good at it. And, and they, they have a big stable, but I thought that the, I mean, look, look at Mike Perry. Who would have thought Mike Perry? And look, did he not look like a bare-knuckle fighter out there? To me, he looked like he looked like he would. He was fighting bare knuckle to me.

And I think I did, I thought Diaz might beat him striking initially, that's what I thought. But he fought like a bare knuckle fighter. He fought tough. I was curious, one thing that came up in the aftermath were the pay, you know, the disclosed pay that was released. And I've said it on this show, like those numbers are not real. Yeah. I know this for a fact. And this creates a whole big hullabaloo.

So why release them if we know they're not real? And would it be better to just get the real numbers or better not to release them? How do you feel about all of this? No, I mean, look, I've got to really start talking to those guys. I told them beforehand, don't see any fake numbers. And they said, no, these are the real numbers. So I've got to take it that these are the numbers for their bout agreements. But there were other, I mean, I know for sure.

I'm not guessing. I know for sure that there was additional compensation. Now, maybe they're structuring it so that part of it's promotion and part of it's, this part's only for the fight. I don't know. Maybe they're structuring it different. They've got lawyers. They sign a penalty of perjury that this is what it is.

And why is it important for you to know what the actual number is? Well, I mean, look, Ariel, if somebody dopes, like, their opponent's going to, you know, if just lots of reasons. But if somebody's overweight, their opponent's going to need to, lots of reasons why. But mainly it's just, I think it's important to have the real numbers because it shows what the market's paying. Sure. And so would it be up to you, like, would you be the one to say, like, no, I'm not accepting this? I want the real numbers.

And is there a way for them to just say no? Like, what is the standard procedure there? Well, I mean, I don't know if you heard at the way in, but they brought me a contract. The way in for the Ronda fight? Yeah, okay. Yeah. For what? For Ronda.

Okay. And I handed it back to him. I said, try again. Really? Yeah. And I brought Mekisa down there, and I talked to him. No, he was very, very nice. He said they just made a mistake, and they came back in the-

Well, it was the number very low? Yeah. I thought it wasn't correct. Yeah. And still, I think most people think it's not correct. Yeah, but it got closer. Right. And I'm not trying to like, you know, count someone's money in the public eye.

But when I sit here and say these things, people are like, well, what does that mean? It's not real. Like, we know how much Jalen Brunson is making for the Knicks. In other sports, everything is to the penny. And for some reason, in fight sports, and let's be honest, UFC does this, every promoter does this. And Dana has said in the past, why should I tell the public what they're making? Because then they get leeches that come on and want to take money away from that. I'm trying to protect them.

And I think that's a valid reason. But to your point, you never truly know what the market then dictates because we don't know what these guys are making. Like it says Connor McGregor is making a million dollars. We all know that's not true. Now, look, I think what Dana is saying is absolutely right, especially on the top level guys. And I think that's probably what he was talking about. But there's basketball players who make $150 million. Yeah, but to the point for the MVP card, I think most of their undercard fights were correct.

I think the only ones that were kind of off, I think, were them top tier type. And when I say off, I'm not saying that it was wrong. I'm saying it was probably structured differently in their deal. Okay. And they do so much for promotion. There's ways that they can write these contracts. But for the undercard fighters, which is really kind of like where I'm, interested in, you want to see the floor start being raised for these guys. And I think that's

helpful when they, because what was it, they paid, they paid. 40K. Yeah. I mean, that's good. That's a, that's a good number. You mentioned doping. Did you happen to read the New York Times story on Connor McGregor? I did. Yeah. What did you think of that? I didn't read it all, but I read the first. Were there any issues that you saw? Well, I don't know, I mean, I know it's the New York Times, but I would want to, I mean, what is that with Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify? I mean, I'm not, I don't know. I've not had Connor McGregor in California that I recall. So it's not my problem. But, I mean, he was on the show here yesterday and essentially said, like, I'm trying to get back to 100%.

I'm out of the pool. I should be allowed to do what I want. I kind of agree with him. Sure. I don't kind of, I do agree with him in some respects. He's not fighting. And look, we got all these peptides and stuff that are coming on. And these peptides are good for fighters, I think.

Look, I'm not sure. I don't want to say that for sure. But I want to have the flexibility to let them heal. Michael Chandler, get on a Zoom with me and showed me this cut that he got and he used some kind of healing substance that he got from the doctor. And it, man, it took that big cut. You know, remember that big one he got? It healed it up really, really good.

Okay. And I think that's good. And we want to have the flexibility at the association is something that I'm pushing right now, like with the medical committee, to make sure that we leave room for when these peptides and these other kind of substances. When there's enough research on them, if they're not performance enhancing and they're okay for the athlete, I think we should be able to let them use them. I mean, they need to be able to heal up if they feel like they do things for them. Why not?

Okay. Do you see any issue? I don't. In fact, I know the writer, and I told the writer, his name is Michael S. Schmidt. And I said, my takeaway from this is that this is a story about the doctor who works for the Rams and Dodgers. And if there's any sort of moral or ethical issue with him prescribing what could be deemed as PEDs to an athlete, but an athlete who's at a competition who's just trying to get back into competition and then getting off of all this stuff, I mean, Connor essentially told us this a long time ago.

He essentially was scolding other athletes for not doing it. Not saying that that makes it right or wrong, but I didn't feel like that was the news here. I think the news was more about the doctor and maybe his relationship with the patient and the UFC. That's what I felt was the news here. Well, I'm supportive of fighters trying to, I mean, he got hurt bad. Yeah, yeah. I mean. Yeah, he said it felt like his foot was hanging off his leg.

So I could certainly understand that. I did want to ask you also about the Ali Act and the way it's moving. It seems to be passing through the Senate, although there were some reports that I saw last week where people were like, you know, we seem to have thought that this was a foregone conclusion. And now maybe it seems like there's a little bit more pushback for. from Washington, from some people involved. What do you feel about how, like, it currently stands?

I think it's a good deal. I think it's, I think it gives fighters choice. I think it's going to pass. Is it taking longer than expected? Well, there's been a lot of things going on in the Senate. It's been a busy calendar. There's other things that they're dealing with, and I think that they're going to get to it.

I think you'll see the Senate version here real soon. Okay. But, I mean, I'm not. trying to I'm speaking probably above my authority level or my experience level but they're busy I don't think boxing's at the top of their plate right this second sure but I think they're gonna get to it and I think it's going to pass and you know and then you know look I know I've said this to you a bunch of times and I'm gonna say it again because I don't think people realize in this country we have a lot of people not

we have a lot of these dollar contracts happening in this country a lot of of them. And that's not good for anybody. That's bad for boxing. And so if you move everybody to $200, we're going to about $800 for a for a for a for a four-rounder. And then they're going to have the insurance on top of that. And they're, you know, they're going to have like, and then it's going to like move up with the CPI and there's ways to adjust that. That's the first time that anybody's actually put in some kind of minimum wage type thing for boxing. To me, that should be the big thing. The fact that there's like a choice for a UBO, great, good.

That's wonderful. More choices for boxers. But to act like this is going to be a takeover or whatever the sport is, I don't see that happening. I think the sanction bodies are going to be fine. I think they'll still have probably less titles because of the way the thing's written. That's probably good for the public. There doesn't need to be a whole bunch of titles. but their titles will become more valuable and the fights will become more, I think that'll be,

there may be even consolidation in the sanctioned organizations. I don't know. I mean, that would be, you know, but I think that the bill is really a strong good bill. It gives fighters choice. It gives the minimum purse to the low-income boxers, which is what, that's, I mean, if that's my hill to die on, it's that, because I've saw too many of the, Look, we all think of these guys that you commentate and everybody commentate, but I also deal with the four-rounders that nobody ever sees.

And you don't see those guys for the most part. And I care about those guys also. I mean, I want those guys to be okay. Will we ever see a day where there's something like this for MMA, in your opinion? I don't know. Should there be? I think so. Look, I think we need to let the market work.

You're watching the market work in real time. Yeah. and Netflix just got in the thing, and you just saw $40,000 purses from the thing. it'll apply to mixed martial arts as well. And I think that you're going to see that happen all across the country, which will bring up the lower income boxers. Andy, this has been great. Thank you so much.

Thank you for squeezing us in during your vacation, enjoy your time in New York and at the diner. A rare opportunity to have you in studio. I had to ask, and I felt bad taking you away from your family. I said I'd let you out at 155. It's 159, so I apologize for that. Well, no, that's good. It's one thing.

I got my license plate. Yeah, we have the pictures. I know I was running out of time. We get one of those for the studio. Yeah, I'll get you one. There it is. Look at that. Yeah. And I'm hoping people will, if I sell 7,500 of them, DMV will make it, pre-order. I love it. I love it. And the website? I'll send the link. I've got the link.

Okay, okay. We talked about it last week. I was on the air when the release came out, and I think it's wonderful. I hope all the states do it. Thank you. That would be great. So well done. Yeah, keep up the great work. Appreciate you, as always. The Gold Standard, as I like to say, Andy Foster of the California State Athletic Commission.

We'll take a quick break. Say goodbye to him. Be back with Sean O'Malley. Don't go anywhere. All right, back on the program. That was Connor from yesterday. It's up on the channel. Andy Foster in studio, tremendous stuff.

Now let's go to one of the big winners from this past Sunday night. The Sugar Show. Back on top. On some kind of role as of late. What a walkout. What a performance. What a fight. He's kind enough to join us right here and now,

the one and only Sugar Sean O'Malley. Joining us today, yes, there he is. Hello, Sean. How are you? Congratulations. Ariel, how's it going, brother? Sorry. No. Sorry, I'm sorry. I had to do it. I mean, you used me as a meme, Sean beforehand. You even like, you know, there I am on cloud and audio.

You're using me as a meme, Sean. Wow. I wasn't sure how to take that. Okay, to be fair, that wasn't, that actually wasn't me. My team showed me that afternoon. That's pretty funny. Was that real emotions from Uncle Ariel? Was that real? I've never felt emotion like that in my life. People don't know like how deep this all is to me. And I'm actually a bit of a lunatic when it comes to my sports teams, Nixon.

Yeah. And I just, I couldn't control myself, Sean. I really, it was, that was. That's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. 33 years of fandom pent up heartbreak, pain, suffering, all exploded on my. It looked like 33 years of pent up.

Holy hell. You think I'm going to regret that? Do you think I'm going to regret that? No, why would you regret it? I mean, it's already out there. You can't take it back. I mean, the only thing you could say was it was a joke, but it was real. And it's fucking, it was, that was true passion coming out of Uncle Ariel, is what that was.

Yeah, but now being used as a meme by the likes of you. And that's, you should, you're welcome, you know, that's good. My eyeballs. All right. I'll take it. I'll take it that way. Congratulations on the win, man. That was incredible stuff.

Yeah, it feels good. It feels, it's being a, being such a, thank you brother, being such a big, being such a big favorite. There's a lot of pressure on your shoulders. I was a big, Elya was a big favorite, and he didn't go out there and do what the odds books, what the sports books were saying he should have done. So to be able to go out there and actually do it, Bobby and the big favorite, there's a lot of pressure on your shoulders. And we got out of done. So you've been a big favorite before. Did this one feel different? Did the pressure feel different? It definitely felt a little bit different, not like overwhelming, not to where I was affected in a negative way, but it definitely

felt different because it was at the White House. I was fighting the only Canadian on the card, Trump's birthday, America's birthday, all these extra things and being such a big favorite against a guy who, he's tough. He's not, he's not, he's on a seven-fight win streak. He kind of fights weird and it makes it look sloppy and makes him look like he's not great. Amund's a hobby's good. He really is. You can't take that away from him. He beat Jose Aldo. A lot of people beat Cheeto recently.

But yeah, it was a, it was a, there was pressure for sure. It was extra pressure. By the way, has the median age of the team gone up a little bit? I'm seeing some older folks at the gym there. Are you at the gym right now? Where are you? I'm sitting at the coffee shop. Okay.

They have a, they have a, what, What's it called? They have an older boxing thing. I forget what the word is called. At your gym with Tim? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's amazing. So you're out there like just rubbing shoulders with the older folks?

We see them pretty much two, three times a week, and they're great people. I love that. That's amazing. You talk about those extra things. The week, how was the week? I heard Justin afterwards say, like, I wouldn't wish this upon my enemy. like this was a lot to deal with. Was it more stressful than usual?

The coordination, the delays, all that stuff. It wasn't terrible. I got lucky because when we did the walkthrough, I was the last fighter that did the walkthrough before they delayed it. So I was able to do the walkthrough, and each person had 15 minutes, and they would come and go, I'd get us going.

And I think I was the last person, and then they had like a super long delay. And once you're already into the White House area, they're not going to let you go and then come back. So those guys had a long delay. I think it was probably the last few fighters. That was the only real delay. If you're familiar with the UFC, everything's a, you know,

hey, get here at 6 p.m. Because we're going to start at 9 p.m. It's always like that. And I've learned that over the years. So I'm always on time. I have to be on time. I've learned that being on time for the UFC is being way too fucking early. So I've been able to time it a little bit better.

Fighting on a Sunday, getting there on a Tuesday, made the week feel way longer than it usually. is. Weighing in at 11 a.m. was was a little bit different. We didn't get done with the press conference till super, super late. So the weight cut was the weight cut was a little bit different. Other than that, it felt like a normal fight week. I say that I don't, I never stay at the host hotel. It's too chaotic there. So I stayed off off property and, and was able to maneuver back and forth pretty easily. Regarding the press conference being so late the night before the, open, not the official way in, sorry.

I was stressed for you guys. I was looking at some of the faces and they seemed more gaunt than usual, so I was wondering if guys had done it beforehand, and this was delayed as well. And so were you thinking about that? Like, man, I only have like 11 hours to go here. Not really. It was, I cut, typically I'd cut, I feel like I'd cut more the next morning rather than cutting a little bit more than the night before.

And that was one of my harder weight cuts, for sure. Sure. That was the first time I ever told Tim, told the team, like, hey, I need to take a break from the hot tub, the sauna, whatever, the blanket. I was like, hey, I need to take a break. The first time in my entire UFC career cutting weight that I told the team, I don't feel, I need a second. And it's scary. When you're on weight, when you're close to weight and your body's that hot and your heart rate's that high, it's a very, very scary feeling. And every single weight cut gets to like that point. But that was a weight cutting's fucked. I hate it so much.

To the point where you started to maybe think like, how many more of these at 135 can I do? I'm just, I, I have a 45 or frame, but I walk around max 160. Like, I'm not, like, these 145ers walk around probably 170. So it's just, I do believe in my skill set. I do believe I can compete at 145. I do believe I could eventually move up, become UFC, you know, featherweight champions someday. But the weight cut still, it's still, I'm still making 35. I still don't get, like, if I started walking around 165 and just natural,

then I'll probably move up. But still, I can make 35. It's hard for skinny motherfuckers to cut weight. We don't have, like those guys, the big muscles hold a little bit more water. So it is hard for the skinny guys to cut, cut weight, but we're making it happen. Dude, I was mesmerized by the walkout, man. The walkout, the lady who sang it, like, there was something very sort of quiet and zen-like about it all because there was no crowd.

And just the scene, the cinematography. How many times have you watched this? I've watched it a few. I've watched it a few times. I hate that on Paramount. You can't go and watch the fucking full event. They don't have the walkouts on Paramount. How fucking stupid is that?

I want to watch the whole event. I want to go back, sit down, pretend that I haven't watched the fight. I haven't watched the first fight. I haven't watched the second fight. I haven't watched the third fight. I want to watch the event from start to finish, but they skip the walkouts. That's one of the – Yes.

For this event specifically, it's one of the coolest moments is watching these guys walk out. And they don't have it on there. Yes, you can go and find it and then watch the fight. But it's something about just watching the whole event as a whole. And I don't know why Paramount doesn't have the whole event. They don't have them on. I wanted to watch the whole event last fight when I fought song too from the walkout to the fight.

They just don't have it. What the fuck we're doing here? Yeah, it is crazy and very frustrating. Luckily, a lot of people have posted them online, so I'm sure you're able to watch it. How much of a say did you have in that? Did you collaborate with them on how it was going to look where you were going to start from? How much is that you and how much is it them? What song you want to walk out to?

That was as much as I had to say. I picked the song. Other than that, they did the graphics and the, you know, the whole where we're walking out of. I showed up. They showed me where to go. That was it. Did you love it? Absolutely loved it.

The guy's walking out with me. Yeah. American heroes. The one guy on my left was just like, I walk out very slow. I walk out very calm. The guy on my left was putting a pace on. I was trying to keep up. He was young, let's fuck this guy up.

And I'm like, all right, we're walking faster than I do. But, you know, did say, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it got me fired up walking and just looking out in the crowd, seeing all the military and just knowing that these guys, like my fight's 15 minutes. These guys go to war for life or death and just, you know, it was, it put my mind in a different perspective of walking out for sure. Those, those heroes that you walked with, did you get to find out about their story and what they have been through before?

beforehand. Did you talk to them at all? No. They gave me like a super brief breakdown before the on the rehearsal. But then when we got there, I just seen him like when I was walking on. I didn't get to talk to him or anything. But some people have been sending me a screenshot of the guy on my right side. Of what, of why he was honored the, I said it the other day and I got trouble for it. The the purple heart, is that what it is? Okay. Just an absolute, like the highest honor you can get in the military.

And he risked his life. And, yeah, legend. When you were walking out, like, now that you're in front of everyone and you've been in a unique place before, sphere, all that, are you looking around? Are you taking stock of it all? Are you so focused that you might as well have been at T-Mobile? No, I was taking it in. Usually, I like to have a good stare-down with my opponent.

I like to not take like lock eyes and I'm not looking away first. I remember having a very vivid conscious thought. I was staring at him and I was like, I'm literally about to fuck this dude up. I'm going to look around and enjoy this because this is one. This isn't an arena. Arena's all are very similar. I'm going to look around and enjoy this. I remember looking up at the claw, looking at the White House,

looking in the crowd and just taking it all in. And towards the end of the, right before the fight started, I kind of got, I'm like, this guy's, this guy's a little nervous. This guy, this is a big moment for him. And I just felt like he was, it was, it was, I felt like the moment was getting to him. It's interesting you say that. I said that on Monday's show. As you know, I have a lot of love and respect for Amon as well. I think he's a great person. But I felt when he walked out, he seemed a little tense to me. He seemed a little bit nervous from the moment. I mean, he's fighting one of the, humbly, one of the best strikers. in the Bantamweight Division and I was extremely confident I kept saying all week I'm going to knock this dude out I'm going to knock this dude out and I was surprised when he called me out

I do not see his style beating my style ever and you know he had a lot of he had GSP Frost you know some of the greatest minds in MMA and the greatest people in MMA and he's representing them and now he's actually in there with me and I think he was like it just got to him a little bit

By the way, when you're looking around before the fight, is there one important person in particular that you locked eyes with, that you remember giving you the head nod? Is there one interaction there that stuck with you? Before the fight, not one interaction. Not that I made eye contact with. Yeah, not before. What about after?

After I remember seeing Max Crosby, that I thought that was pretty sweet. I didn't know Terence Crawford was there or Tyson Fury was there. I didn't see them in the crowd at all. that would have been cool to dapped them up, say what up. That would have been cool, but I didn't even see them in there. Did you talk to the president? I said, happy birthday, I knocked out a Canadian for you. I think that's what I said.

People keep asking me what I said. I'm trying to recall. I think that's what I said. Do you remember what he said? I'll apply. He said, you should get the bonus. Oh, we're going to get to that. I think he said that.

We're going to get to that in a moment. We're going to get to that in a moment. I'm curious about first round going into second round, based on how the first round went, you obviously stop him in the second. What are you being told? What are you thinking on how this is going and what you need to do to put him away?

I remember Tim telling me, slip outside, throwing uppercud, he's kind of leading in when he throws his jab. I remember, I told them, and I watched it back, you could hear me say it. I said, knockouts coming. I never talked to my corner in between rounds. I'll say okay or yes or something.

I never have a response. But I said, the knockouts coming. I just, it was a matter of time. It was a matter of time. I think if he fights any differently, he gets knocked out in the first round. If he tries to pressure me, if he tries to take me down, if he tries to throw hands and do more than what he did, he gets knocked out in the first round. So it was just a matter of time. You kind of called the knockout in the sense that you drop him and then you start saluting to the crowd and then the fight was stopped.

There's sometimes a risk involved in that, right? Because sometimes the ref could be like, no, you've got to keep going. What made you so confident it was done? this right hand. It was so clean. And to be honest, I like aiming. I knew I was going to drop him. I knew I was going to hurt him.

I didn't want to inflict more damage than necessary. That fight could have went on for another five, six seconds, and I could have landed. I could have hit him with the Thomas Almeda fucking bomb. It wasn't necessary. I found my timing. I found my rhythm. I was cracking him. I hit him with a double jab right hand that kind of set up the whole thing,

sat him down with a left hand, hit him with a one-two. And it was just, I mean, he's tough. He could have survived a little bit maybe. The knockout would have been more brutal if the fight carried on. And I think the ref did a great job stopping it. Is that something you thought of beforehand, the salute? Originally, like, the whole time was like, I was going to hurt him, then salute and then finish up. I was going to hurt him, rock him, salute, and then finish up with a one-two.

That was the whole plan. I mean, we talked about doing that five weeks before the five. I said it in many interviews. I wrote it in my journal. I was just, it just happened so beautifully. The salute right after. I think I hit it before he even hit the ground, which is, I thought, you know, if Justin versus Elia wasn't as magical as it was,

I think the moment would have been bigger. But Justin upsetting Elia and the way he did was so massive that it didn't get pushed under. but if it would have been like the highlight of the night, it would be insane. But, you know, Justin went out there and did what he did. The pre-fight package for your fight to the Limbiscuit song, My Way? Did you happen to see that? No. Very good.

Very good. It was Rock Austin, WrestleMania 17-esque. Do you know the famous Rock Austin, WrestleMania 17 pre-fight package? Does this mean anything to you? No. This is Unk talking to the younger generation here. Okay. WrestleMania 17,

Rock versus Austin, the best pre-fight package of all time to that song. You know, just one more than and I'm being it. You know that song? This time I'm going to let it all. I'm out.

This time I'm going to, do you know who Limp biscuit is? I'm going to do things my way. It's my way. My way. That's good. I agree. Okay, okay.

You feel me? Thank you. Thank you. Anyway, they did that pre-flight package for your fight to that song. With like highlights of my fight? Yes.

Yes, it was great. I got to see it again. I would fucking be able to see that if I saw it on the whole event, but I couldn't watch the whole event, so you didn't get to see it. I need to find that on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So post-fight press conference,

there's a shot where Dana's announcing the bonus winners, and it seems like you're shaking your head when you come to realize that you didn't win one. Were you upset? Yeah, I mean, I don't remember doing that. I thought I had it locked in. I really did. I told the team.

Like, we fucking got it. We just knocked out a Canadian at the White House, hit a salute before he fell. One of the craziest knockouts, in my opinion, that you could possibly have at the White House. Like, no one's going to upset. But then again, it's like, okay, Surreal Gone came in and upset. Alex Beheada, Justin Gathe.

So Seril Ghan got one. Ely and Gatty got Fight of the Night. Gatty got Performance of the Night. You know, I wasn't envious. I wasn't jealous. I was like those guys, I mean, hey, they did it. Like, I would have loved to get a bonus. You know, I believe I deserve a bonus, but if I'm not going to, I was grateful to be on the card,

grateful to be able to do what I did. And I was happy for them to get the bonuses. So I wasn't, it, yeah. Okay. And I appreciate that and totally believe you. The first question asked to you, I think, was about if you're going to get Jan or title shot. And it was a very short answer. And it seemed to me like you were upset.

And so I was just curious about if any of those two things were related. Because you said, like, who knows what's going to happen? You know, I don't know. It was something like that. Yeah. Dude, it was late when I did that press conference. We were sitting at the hotel. We had to wait for Gone and Panify.

We had to wait for Justinify. Then we had to wait for Justin to do media. Then we had to wait for Justin come to the hotel. By the time we got to the event or got to the press conference, I was so, I was so exhausted. I was just like the adrenaline dump. I was pretty tired. Then they're asking me about Peter. I'm like, I would have fought Peter at the White House.

Then they're asking if I'm getting him next. I don't know. I really don't know. I've been asked that all week. And I'm like, I don't know. How many times can I say I don't know? So it's probably a little bit like just, you know, we'll see. We'll see.

I get it. What do you think now? Now that the dust has settled a little bit, how do you think this plays out for you? Um, you know, I feel like they've, Tim showed me a video of Peter. Was he shadowboxing in a hospital recently? Yeah, yeah. I mean, if he's at a hospital,

that can't be a good sign of him getting into a fight anytime soon. So, I mean, he's the champ. He's the champ. I'm not in a rush. I love being active. I love this sport. I love competing. I think I've shown that.

I had surgery and rematch marobbed seven months later. like an idiot. So that, I mean, I just, I like to compete, but I'm also not in a rush to get back right now. I'm on a, if I wait for those guys to fight, I might take another fight by the end of the year. I really, really don't know. There's a case, you know, we're still halfway through the year, but there's a case to be made that you could be one of the comeback fighters of the year, considering how the end of 24 went and obviously 25. After the second Robb fight around almost exactly a year ago. Could you have imagined that, like, look at your year so far.

First Paramount card, massive win, White House card, even bigger win, your first stoppage since the Aljo fight. Like, was there a point where you thought maybe this type of good fortune wouldn't come your way anymore? Were you questioning yourself? I'm not going to, a little, not questioning myself. I believe in my skills. I know what I've been able, what I've gathered over the years as far as experience and skill

and just, I know what I'm capable. of I know I belong at the top. But I also, it's so nice to be able to, if you put into that perspective a year ago coming off the second loss to Marab and fast forward, 12 months later, I'm coming off two victories. One is a finish and over

good guys feels really, really good to be in this position right now. It's crazy I fought Maraub only a year ago. It feels like that was so long ago and it literally was 12 months ago. time's a weird thing, but it feels good to be back in the wind column, not just the wind column, but the finish column.

The pressure of getting that next stoppage, does it feel like some of that has been relieved as well since it's been almost three years since the last one? Yeah, a little bit. Every time, like every single fight I get into, I'm trying to get a finish and trying to get a stop a KO. But it's just like the higher level of the guys, the harder it is to get these finishes. His song was, you know, I don't think anybody's finished song as far as TK or, you know, submission. Amin's seven-fight win streak. I knew he had been knocked out. And I just, I was, you know, confident my skill set would be able to knock him out.

So it was nice to be able to get that match up and get the K.O. And so, you know, when you come back from an event like that, is there like, is there like, I'm always curious about this. Is there like a letdown, but like, do you have a crash? there was so much emotion involved in this. You just go back to life on Monday or Tuesday. I know this was a weird one because of the travel on Monday. Yeah.

But do you feel that? You know, you were just at the White House fighting. How does your body react to that? Well, since I didn't party after and do any, uh, substances,

the come down was a lot. I didn't really have a come down. It was, there was, I didn't really have too crazy of a high from the wind. Um, it felt, and I think a lot of that is just because I, felt like I was, oh, I really felt like I was going to go in there and knock them out.

So I just feel like I did what I was, I did what I knew I was going to do. So it was more of a relief than a high. I think, you know, if it was Peter or Marab or, you know, if it was for the title, I think it's a little bit different. So I feel like this was more of a relief than a high. And there hasn't really been a come down, but it is always so weird. going from fight camp, fight week,

fight to the next week. It's so weird. I'm so grateful to be at the gym. We have guys Tommy McMillan sparring right now. He's got a big fight coming up. I'm going to go out and corner him. We have a bunch of guys fighting next Saturday. And so it's good to be back in the gym,

back at the pickleball, and back to normality. It feels good. Yeah, I saw a picture. I think you were like, you had the T-shirt gun. And so I don't know if that was, I got it right out of my nuts.

I don't know. Does that mean the, was it, J. The Pene or what is that? Was that like symbolic? Yeah, yeah, Jay and the Pine. Okay. No, that was, that was just, I shouldn't have shot that shirt in the crowd. There was a brawl.

A couple people got in a fight. I'm like, that was, I probably shouldn't have done that. But, yeah, still, still no J&The P. It's still on that grind. Respect, respect. What was that like to win a fight and then go in front of 80,000 people like that? that moment was so that was insane i felt like i got that rolling loud i felt like as a rapper coming out and it was so sweet i wish i could have spit some bars for the people so bad had nothing in me

um do you did they give you a mike like did you talk to them we talked we talked we talked we talked it was sweet got the crowd loud and then got them quiet down and got them loud again and oh it was that was epic that it's it's crazy going into next fight the wayans will not be as crazy the press conference will not be as crazy. The fight, the arenas, I do, there's still something about an arena. I was telling, I think I said it on Tim's podcast yesterday. Boston, inside Boston was still the most insane feeling I've ever had in my life. And I do not think that can be topped. But as far as, yeah, walking out, it's going to be hard to top the press conference the way ins and just anything, the post fight after that, the walking out there.

to 80,000 people, and it was, that was insane. Yeah, and you're one of the few guys who's experienced like all these different venues now, so you can truly say that. So you're looking forward to an arena next time. I always like arenas. Arenas are badass. Like, I believe I'm the type of athlete that can perform anywhere, any, you know, small cage, apex, big cage, outside, white, like, I can perform anywhere, but I do love a good arena.

By the way, were you shocked to see Justin do that? I was so shocked, Ariel. I counted him out against Patty. I thought Patty was going to come out there and get the job done. He proved me wrong. I thought Ely was going to get the job done. He proved me wrong. I felt embarrassed to even be sitting by him, counting him out.

And it was one of the most inspiring fights I've ever seen. I actually just, I watched it here and there because I was doing media in between, then we had to switch rooms. I didn't get to watch the full fight. I watched it. Last night, I made a full breakdown. full YouTube video on it. I just actually dropped it right now. Watching the full fight, his jab looked beautiful. His awkwardness helped him. He would like throw a, like jab,

grab the back of his head, throw an uppercut. Elia did not know what to do. Ely would still crack him, but Justin didn't even look like you got in a fight. I was sitting next to him at the press conference. I'm like, this dude just went to a war with the greatest fighter of all time, in my opinion. He was number one. The ground, pop a pound. Doesn't look. And he's like, ah, my fucking liver hurts. Like, well, yeah, he took 35 liver. shots and the bros and he still came back and won it was so

impressive it was one of the sickest performances of all time yeah and you were in the locker room with him in prayer right no yeah eilean prehael yeah oh ilion prayer okay so i knew with two legends there that was crazy itself being in the warm-up area elia's jumping rope potons hitting the fucking kicking pads hard as fuck i'm shadow boxing i like damn this is pretty this is pretty sick

This is, I definitely took that in. Yeah, that was badass. There's like an energy, right? Like you're next to some of the toughest human beings on the planet as you're all preparing to go to battle. Yeah, I mean, three of the greatest, I mean, like, Elia's style, he's got super high-level boxing, throws a low-leg kick everyone's while,

but just really good boxing. Alex Paheta, insane kickboxing, crazy chaos power. And then my style is just completely different. We all three have just different styles of striking. at the highest level. And it was fucking crazy to be in there all warming up together. I'm going to watch your breakdown. I'm just curious,

can I ask? There's something that Justin does with this striking. Like, he throws a jab. But then his right is almost like a punch like this, as opposed to like a, what is that? It's a paw. Yeah, what is that? Have you seen that?

Yeah. It's crazy because I would never, like, if I was teaching someone out of punch, I would never, I would never teach how to punch like that. But some people just, they punch like that.

But you look at all the guys, Gagey fights. you look at their faces. There might, I don't know if he's scratching him with their knuckles. I don't know, there might be something to it. But it's just, I think he was just, that's just how he punches. It's how he hits mitts, how he hits the bag a little bit. And it works for him.

I wouldn't recommend it. I would, you know, close-step-phone. He's kind of like land, and it's a weird, I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy. It lands. It works. He malls people's faces.

and such a legend. I'll let you go in a second just very quickly. The shots to the back of the head, Pereira, do you think he's right or do you think it's all fair game?

I, we were in the back on, I think it was right after the way-ins. We went back to the hotel, the refs came in, we're doing the rules meeting, and Alcapado's in our rot locker. I think Herb came in,

and Pahedahed, his coach and Herb were having they had a long conversation about back of the head like showing them going out like it was like a it was longer than usual rules meeting and they were going over the which is looking back on him like

make like they they talked about it but yeah it hurts him I mean it's so hard to say I haven't really watched it in slow motion so were those clear back of the heads unc yes to me they were

we had Andy Foster in studio who's the head of the California state like Michigan says he's moving around and that's just in the flow of the fight and if it's in the flow of the fight he's moving around it's not a foul I don't know

it was a lot it was a lot though I mean it's it is what it is I think I think it probably after he rocked him and he was hurting him with big shots

I think he would have put him away regardless whether the back of the head or not but yeah that's scary the back of the head's a no limit for a reason it's a scary scary area but Alex Paheda being a legend. I think he said something to his dad. His dad was crying.

His family was sad. And he said, hey, we've made other families feel like this. It's our turn. I was like, God damn it, that dude is a legend. Just for having that perspective that quick after a fight and just having that mentality, hey, we've put people's families through that. It's our turn. That's the fight game.

And it's a lot of respect to that. Doing well, doing well? Hey, doing well is absolutely crushing right now. And it feels good. And I try not to put the pressure of like, hey, I need to win these fights for doing well to be successful because I do believe it's such a quality product. And it's such a great hydration that I think it'll do, it's going to do well regardless. But, hey, winning these big fights is absolutely helping it.

And people are loving it. We're working on a watermelon right now. And it's so good. I cannot wait. I get fired up doing these, doing this because it's not a sponsorship. It's not an equity. It's, I mean, it's not like I'm buying equity into a company. It's my company. I'm fucking building it from the ground up. And putting all my, putting real

work and effort into this, putting my own money, I'm down a lot of money because you get to pay for so much product to sell it. And then any money you do make, you put right back into making more product. So it's kind of scary because I have put a lot of money into it. But it's doing well right now. And I appreciate everyone that that ordered it. And that is continuing to order it. It is doing, doing well. Thanks for asking. Your guy, Imran, always hooks me up. He sent me a box. And you know, you know that I've been working on my right hand.

You've seen some of the footage. I've seen the bag. I've seen the bag working. And we're working on it. And I didn't want to make you nervous. You know, I look like Amin, so you're like, holy shit, that right hand is. But, you know, like the fast twitch, the left hook. But I tried it and I use it after my workouts.

Get a shot of the Sanibals. Yeah, look at that right there. Let's go. You have them in the studio. You take it after the workout. Love that. And it's great stuff. So congratulations on that.

Congratulations on the win. And perhaps most importantly, your son walking for the first time last week. Crazy. Crazy. Walking around the hotel room, walking around the grass of the parks. And it is just, now he just gets up, takes off, walks everywhere. Such a cool memory. The song fight was that week he started crawling.

Wow. This fight week, he started walking. So it's just good memories. Elena, my daughter, five years old, second time she went to the fight. She was singing the walkout song while I was walking. out just going to be such amazing memories. I'm like, I need to fight. I need to at least fight for four years so Mateo can be five and experience all this stuff. And, you know, it's, it's so, I'm so grateful and blessed just to have a healthy family and be able to do what I love to do,

make money and almost get bonuses. Last one. Another one this year, right? At least one more. Depends. Depends on who, depends on where. Depends on how much. There's, you know, there's, there's things that go into, onto that. It's definitely. possible, but it's also definitely possible that I don't. Basically, you're open to the idea of not fighting if it's an opponent that's not the champion and doesn't entice you. If they announced Rob versus Peter late this year, and that would put me out till, you know, it depends.

I got these little nagging injuries. I got to, I got to fucking, I got to get these healed up fixed and just, I got to be healthy before I even think about booking another fight. So that plays a role into it. My health depends on Peter and Rob. So there's a couple things that play into it, but we'll see. All right. You're the man, Sean.

Thank you so much as always. Congratulations, amazing stuff. Well done. Appreciate you very, very much. Yes, sir. Always good chat with you on. Have a good one. You're the best.

There he is. Sean O'Malley, kind enough to join us. Let me put this back right here. Those gloves are great. The Sanibles. The Sanibals. or what I always use. I love them. Tremendous, tremendous product and doing well.

I've tried it as well. The mango. The artwork is great, too. I mean, they always crush it, those guys. They always crush it. So, well done to the team. We have some breaking news that I'm going to get to in a moment. Quick break.

I was going to get to the breaking news. Quick break, Yahoo Sports Network. If you're on YouTube, stay right there. Okay, now you can play it. Now you can play it. Yeah, you know yourself. Breaking news, UFC announcing, as we've told you many a time, it is finally official. Islam Achachev, Ian Machado, Gary, August 15th, Philadelphia, UFC 330, main event, Xfinity Mobile Arena.

There you have it. It is a done deal. The painful weight for Ian McChrym. Godot-Garry is over the nonsense of, is it going to be Morales? Is it going to be this guy? Is he moving up? No, it was always going to be Ian. It was going to be Ian in Miami and April.

That didn't pan out. It was going to be Ian from the get-go. And now we finally have the confirmation. It's Ian Machado-Garie, finally getting a chance. And as I said yesterday at a Pizzi, what a stretch for Irish combat sports. Return of Connor, July 11th. Ian Machado-Gerry fighting for his first UFC title on August 15th. and of course Katie Taylor's retirement fight at Croke Park on September 5th.

That's not the only title fight that was announced for that card. You are getting McKenzie Dern defending her straw white title for the very first time against Gillian Robertson. Jillian Robertson, we've talked about this as well, but now it's official. I think a lot of people thought it was going to be Zhang Wei Li. It is, in fact, the Canadian Jillian Robertson getting the first crack at the belt that McKenzie Dern won a few months ago. in I do believe Abu Dhabi. So there you go.

Those are the two fights that were officially announced. I do believe those are the only fights that have been announced. Am I right about that or was another fight announced? Was another fight announced? Let me take a quick gander here.

Does anyone know? Is anyone there? That's the only one. Those two, man. Okay, all right. Thank you. We're locked in here. Here we got Islamach of Yim, Gary,

and Robertson Dern. And so there you have it. Finally. finally. Someone asked me this question yesterday. Are they taking longer to announce fights? I don't know. This is two month out. Yeah, it seems like

a little bit longer. Like, meaning, are they waiting longer and there's less of a lead? I don't know if that's pay-per-view. I don't know. I don't know what's changed. But it's official. I'm looking forward to that fight. I love that fight. The only thing I can think that's changed

is the the impetus, the compulsion to sell tickets earlier is just not a thing for them anymore, right? When you have to worry about scraping and clawing to get the people in the building, you got to get it out as early as you can so you can do the promotion and the marketing

and the UFC is now just like, like there's no doubt in my mind that they're going to sell out this arena in Philly. They don't need a long lead up. They can announce it later, you know? Like they're just in a comfortable position as with everything in the business for them. Luckily for us,

We have a gentleman named Pizzi Carroll who's been covering him, Machado Gary, since when? Amateur days? Yeah, amateur just going into pro, yeah. He was fighting out of Team KF then under Chris Fields. And even back then, like that, that's one thing I will say. We identified talent very early in Ireland. If you think they're going to be special, like it was him and Hughesy in that generation. And obviously the golden generation came about, you know, 10 years before that,

when McGregor leading the ranks there. but Ian has been special for a very long time. I can remember as an amateur, Chris Fields would be going off to these obscure venues, you know, like amateur fights at smaller venues, GA halls, and he'd be sending me videos of Ian. And he'll be sending other media members going, holy shit, like, look at this kid.

It turns out he had, he knew what the talent he had and Ian has gone on to amazing things. Hey, he's changed a lot as a fighter, I think, in terms of how he fights. He was probably more of a stoppage guy in those early days, but his IQ was unbelievable. I think he has an incredible mind. I think he really, really zones in on how to fight different opponents

and finds a way to do that. So it's going to be very interesting, given the odds stacked against him, the pound for pound best fight under the world, Islam-Makashiv. Speaking of those odds, do we have any of those odds? Does Kalshi have those, or is it too soon? Well, there you have it.

Look at that. So they're saying, who's going to be holding the belt by the end of this year, December 31st, 2026, like 77% have it in favor of Islam, the champ, 20% for Carlos, 19% for Ian. So it seems as though not a lot of faith in Ian right now. Can I tell you what is probably most surprising about this? It's the thought that they think that someone is going to get a crack at Islam if he wins by the end of this year, like someone else. I mean, if history is any indication, it's usually won a year for Islam.

Like, you think he's fighting August 15th and coming back by the end of the year? I mean, I guess if it's a really quick fight, but It's not going to be a quick fight, I don't think. It's not going to be. Do you fancy his chances, PT? I think he has a chance, absolutely. I think, look, Islam is the best fighter in the world. It's a huge task.

He'll test in a way that we taught Bilal would, and he didn't. Yeah, so I'm interested to see how he plays out, but I think he can have a lot of success if he sticks to his who is long range on the outside. absolutely. Like, you know, we've seen him do this time and time again. It's just a different beast across the case from, understandably, Islam is the favourite, but absolutely wouldn't rule Ian Gary out, especially after, you know what I mean, the week we've just had, Poitaine and Ilya of Tuporia. I mean, how could you rule the dude out at this stage?

I mean, I think he's the goodest chance of any of the guys in that welterweight ranks. It's just that Islam is just so good. That's a great point. What about you, G.C.? You fancy his chances? Do you think he's got a shot? I don't know if I fancy them. I don't think I'd make him the favorite, but he's certainly live to Pizzi's point there's no definitive

outcome that I can say in this sport that I feel good about anymore with Hamzot losing I'm losing it's too

unpredictable everyone has a fighting chance I'm happy for Ian he was the guy to get the shot like he deserved to be the guy

Carlos has been great as of a play but he has a win over Carlos just over a year ago it had to be him oh Michael Morales he's had

greater wins he's had he's had a higher profile wins over bigger names. I'm fine with it. I'm just saying you could have given it

to Michael, it would have been no problem. I agree. At least it's not Usma. It was a bit of a lottery at that. Like, you know, we were definitely thinking

Ian Ian was the guy, but there was definitely a few names in that hat. There was a lot of people shouting different names of Morales was one of them because he's hot shit. Like he is knocking people out.

He's a young guy. This division was so stagnant for so long and now it feels like it's hot. Like Islam becoming champion again. Michael Morales is entering the picture.

Ian getting a title shot. Carlos rebuilding himself post Ian Gary lost Like this is a fun division There was a time Shafka could be on his way back Shafka God Yeah hell yeah

He's God willing There was a time where I thought it was one of the most stagnant uninteresting divisions The Us Same lads fighting each other Over and over again Yeah come on

It was too much And now you can make a strong case That look heavyweight At the very top But the rest is kind of No that's a trash division Hocan and Gable Okay let's see

Light heavyweight Bit of a mess as well Especially after the Elberg injury. Middleweight. It's fun. It's fine, but it's welterweight, I would say right now, thinking about it, number one. Lightweight is always...

No, lightweight's number one. That is the best division in MMA. UFC's lightweight division is for me the best division we've got going. It is so good. The combo of Islam, Prachas, Ian and Morales, those top four, I don't think there's a better top four. Anthemate's very good. They'll sleep on Flyway, too.

I thought all of this was just to say that it's all second to flyweight. You know what? Flyweight is so fucking good. My definitive answer is World's... We have an embarrassment of riches here in the U.S. Yes. An embarrassment of riches. I mean, Gabriel Bond fame coming on at Walter Wade, Sean Brady.

Yes, yes, yes. I think Walterweight's number one right now. Oroslav. Amasov? Are you kidding? Yes. Eros Medish after he gets a big win in Serbia later? Actually, Bantamoy is a little bit stagnant too.

It's like the same dudes there. Let me just read Flyweight for you. Yeah, okay, sure, sure. Josh Vanis champ. Yeah. I mean, who's more fun than Josh Van right now? Pantosia, number one. Yeah.

The pound for pound top guy who didn't lose his belt in the octagon lost it to the injury. Manel Kopp, Tatsuro Taira, Brandon Royval, Kyoji Horaguchi down there, Loner Kavanaugh. Or Loni Kavanaugh, sorry. Amir al-Bazi. Like, this is, this is, and then you get all the way down to like the Moreno's, Ersegg, Tim Elliott, It's like, oh, no, man, flyweight's for me. Welterweight's fun as hell. Launch Machiaf back in there as well.

Throw Makayev in there. Flyway, lightweight, welterweight, that's my top three. Whatever order you want to put them in, I'm cool with. For me, it's Welterweight. I just love those four guys. I just think those four guys. Morales versus Islam is a fascinating fight. Ian versus Islam is a fascinating fight.

Ian versus Morales is a fascinating fight. Morales versus Prach is a fascinating. What do you do with those two guys now? Who? Morales and Prox. People got mad at me when. I said it. People got mad at me when I said it, but I want to see Morales versus Prachas. Me too. It's a great point. That's unbelievable. Can we get it on the card?

That's a BMF fight. That is a BMF. Honestly, like, Gary versus Mokachev is great for the title, but I think I would be more excited for Prachis Morales. Sure, I would do. Absolutely. Sure bloat lost. Yeah. Can we get it on the card? Or do you think it's too soon? I'll do it. Carlos. It's Carlos's birdie. He says it's birdie. Straight on the sauce afterwards. Straight on the sauce afterwards. It does feel like Carlos has a little more. use an ability to say no, right? Like Morales, I don't think has as much. Morales is doing his best campaigning and always going to social media to try and make his case for it.

I feel like Carlos is the one who would have to opt into that fight. I think Morales would take it no problem. I love it in Philly. It's a sick fight. I mean, this card is great. Anyone give Gillian Robertson a chance? Yes. Of course.

I think it's interesting. I think it's interesting. Yeah. Wow, you might favor her. Yeah. Wow. Really? I am also a notorious...

You love Savage? Dern. Bader. Oh. Okay, okay. Look, the ground game, Gillian's ground game, it's not on the level of Darns in pure jih Tijuana, but our M.M.A grappling is fucking outstanding. So I can see it playing out on the fee here.

And I think anyone in a strike and battle against McKenzie Dern has a real chance. Like, that's the reality situation, I think. Gillian Robertson is the first Canadian to fight for the belt since? Oh my lord. First Canadian to fight for any belt? For a UFC belt, yeah. Since, I'll give you a hint.

I'll give you a hint. I've referenced this particular fight a lot randomly. Roy McDonald? Incorrect. I've referenced this fight a lot randomly over the past couple weeks, actually. Who the hell would have fought for the bell? Mark Homonick, Roy and McDonnell, trying to go true to America.

Close. Close. And the Crowler Waso never had one. You're going too far back now. No, Wazzo fought Rich Franklin. UFC 58? Oh, shit. Yeah.

But who's after Rory? Awful knockout. All right, you give up? Yes. No, no, no, no, no. No, no. Oh, no. He injured his leg against Anderson Silver.

His name is. Patrick Cote. No, that's 90. That's 2008. Too far back. Yeah. It has to be post Rory. It has to be post-Rory.

Was it? The last one? Oh, I've been. I've been hitting you with fucking Canadians who far for balance. The rest of you are just going, no, no, I'm trying. The most recent I can think of is Rory, but there's one after. Just tell us, just tell us there. Jordan, don't look it up.

You looked it up. I saw the same tweet. No, no, no, no. Who is it? Who is it? Give us a weight division. Give us the weight division. 145.

Huh? Oh, this is. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Felicia Spencer. Oh, Felicia Spencer. Oh, yeah, you bollocks. What's the last male? Is it the Rory versus Robbie fight? Is it possibly that?

Yeah, I think so, yeah. Patrick Ote. Going off of this, a few people have been like, yo, I watched UFC 250, and I hit him with Amanda Nunez, Felicia Spencer. What the fuck are you talking about this? I don't know who either of those. Ovin mentioned GSP versus Bispeng.

2017, was that after? Yeah, it was after. That was after. That was 189. So, yeah. So that, I guess that was the last Canadian male. Wow, that is crazy. Yeah, and the Felicia fight was 2020. It was June of 2020. Yeah.

All that push to. Corey Sanagan. Mike Malad, Jasmine Justice Fiscius, Charles Doord. Moving up. All this. It's Jillian Robertson. Gillian Robertson. Right.

Wow. She's going to do it. I want to say it right now. She's going to do it. I'll be everyone. I will say, ever since she paired up with Dean Thomas, she has just been unbelievable. I mean, that's literally her nickname. But yeah, she is very good, and I think she'll be very prepared.

Mackenzie Dern obviously has the grappling advantage. But to Pizzi's point, like the MMA grappling, the wrestling, the control, I think that's on Jillion side. I don't think she's going to be scared to grapple with McKenzie. And on the feet, it's a coin toss with anybody. Case you're wondering, she's won five in a row. She's also won a karate combat grappling match against Montana Del Arosa, and that stretch as well. her last loss was in June of 2023. So obviously, Zhang Wei Li was probably everyone's first pick, and I'll inquire.

Why did that not happen? I'll inquire. I didn't inquire, to be honest. But maybe she's not ready. Maybe, you know, it seemed like that was the obvious one. She was the champion, was forced to give up the belt, which I don't love. Like, Alex Pereira should still be light heavyweight champion, in my opinion. Like, I don't think you should, I think you should be able to at least make the decision after the fight goes down.

You know what I mean? Like, if you lose, then you could go back and still be. be championed there, but you give it up and then you lose the fight, whether you're moving up or down, and now you're left with no belts, which doesn't seem necessarily fair, but in any event, there you have it. Two fights, August 15th, in case you're wondering, as far as flyweight is concerned, because we were just talking about the flyweight division, our good friends over at Kalshi, they're saying by the end of this year, that's December 31st, 2026, 51% in favor of Josh Van still being champ.

Pantosha 40%. And Manel Capu is fighting this weekend, 23%. Let's see what they have to say about Mr. Manel going up against Kioji Horaguchi, which is a phenomenal fight. What a fight. A shame it's happening at the apex.

And wow, Manel, 58% over Horaguchi 42. I'm not surprised by this. I am surprised. Not, man, Manel. I am surprised. When Manel steps into the cage, he is very good. It's always the getting.

him into the caves. Horaguchi has been great. Yeah. I mean, no doubt. Horaguchi has been fantastic in the UFC return. He's going to be the more well-rounded fighter, but Manel's power is such a difference maker. Wow. I don't know who to pick on this one.

If I were to guess, I would have said Horaguchi. Like, if I were to guess who the favorite would have been, I would have had a dog, Gucci? Yeah. You agree, G.C.? Yeah, Give me the goch, baby. Yeah, man. He's a dog, right? Sure is. I'm surprised. H-Dell. Let's go.

What about Iwan Kuchilaba? And Navajo Sterling. All right, there you go. Sterling, 73%. That's what I expected. Yeah, yeah. This is an all-action. This is a perfect apex comane,

as we've talked about in the past. I would say more perfect, as far as a comain is concerned, is Loak Dog versus Andre Feely. Boom! Great one. That's also on this card. What do we got?

Loct dog, big favorite. Wow. I can't even see. What's the percentage? 100%. Where does it say? Oh, up there, yeah. 70% for Loke Dog.

He needs to bounce back here. Yeah. Who did he last up? Bautista though last time? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a tough one. Come on. He got, he got...

And his hand was apparently broken, and he decided, like, that was the right move to... His hand might be broken, but his spirit isn't. Yeah. No, I agree with that. I agree with that. I think that's astute. What are they saying about Connor Max?

We talked about this earlier. Coming in. It's coming in a little bit. Do you move the lion, Helwani? Did you move the lion? No, I don't think so. I think it was that yesterday, to be honest. I wish I could take credit for that.

Mr. Pizzi, what about that kit that G.C. is wearing there? What do you? Yeah, no, I can't look at them. Can't look correctly? What do you think? He's a friend of mine. I think he's one of the few people. Can I look over here?

He's one of the few people in the world that own both in Ireland jersey and an England jersey, which is an interesting thing. It was gifted, too. Yeah. What do you think? What do you fancy? Four o'clock kickoff, at least here, 9 o'clock. Listen, I have lots of wonderful English friends.

I enjoy when I visit England, a fantastic place. But when their football team play, you hate the shit watch out of it. Listen, the only fucking thing Irish people have this World Cup is to cheer whoever the fuck is playing in England. All right. That's all we have. Okay. And if I'm a piece of shit for that, so are all of my brothers and sisters on this island, okay?

This is how we bond. In fact, Andy, what did I say would be one of the great nights that we could have when you come to Ireland? What did I say? Hate watch this, the England matches. You did say that. You just sit there. You know what? All right.

Look, it's an amazing time. Can I ask an honest question? Because I would feel this way. If Canada wasn't in and Curacao and Cabo Verde were in, it would make me feel like, what? Does it make you feel that way when you're seeing these lesser, like Iraq is in there? Like what?

How is Ireland not here? No, no, fair to bathe them. I don't really, yeah. That's on Ireland. That's not on them. And listen, as I said yesterday, Pico Lopez representing Ireland in the back line of Capo Verde. One of your own. Fortunately, heading to stoppage time right now.

One-one. Drunk? Fuck. Against the doc? Against the doc. The doctor is in. I can tell you that much. All kinds of upsets happening.

Left right and center, huh? What about Messi? What about fucking Lienel Messi, the little wizard? Made it look easy, too. Yeah, where are we talking about all-time goals scored and then he? just added three yesterday. Yeah. It's him and Mbapé right there.

But Rinaldo's ahead of Mbapapé. I was right about that, all right? You fucking tell me I was talking bollocks. I don't think any more. He's 15 fucking vocal blows. Oh, he has one more? He has 15. Yeah, Mbapapé tied.

Like Rinalo, real Rinalo, this one. This guy. Yes, yes, this fucking boy. That is the real one. R9, not C R9. He's easy on the neck. Yeah, one of the great haircuts. What about the boys in red?

Massive Showdown against Qatar coming up. Can we get three points finally? Yeah, I think so. We've never gone three points. Is there a better site? Is there a better side than you're showing the World Cup? That is fucking crazy. I'll never won a World Cup. Never. Oh, I'll go one step further. The point that we got against Bosnia was our first ever point. Crazy. It's a good team. It's a good fucking eight.

We need Alphonse babies out there. We need. We beat Qatar and laid up to this World Cup as one of the war. Canada's got it. We shit the bed. We always shit the bed. I don't know what's going on. What about USA, Australia. We've got Mr. Volcanowski coming up. I wonder if he's going to be in attendance. Where's this one happening on Friday? I believe Seattle, no? He's still in the States. I wonder if he's going to pull up. Look, man. Love my Aussies. All love to everyone down under, but nah, fuck the soccer ruse on Friday. I think it's going to be a great match. I think it's going a great match. I can't wait for it. I'm pulling, as I've said, if it's Canada, U.S., I'm always

pulling for Canada. But I think for the vibes in this country, if the U.S. can go on magical run, I think it would be incredible. If they can do it with that attacking, if we can do it with the, we'll take one to give you two type deal, just we're just going to outscore you. I love it. We back to my 66 to 1 before this fucking World Cup and I told us it was doing it. Good on. Will it hit?

Come on. We'll see. I'm telling you, man, the host nation, a lot of shit can happen. Yeah. Who can forget? 2002, South Korea. Remember that? Who could forget?

You remember that run? Yeah. Who could forget the first match of that particular World Cup? Senegal. Oh, they beat France 1-0. Famously. One of the most famous games in the World Cup history. It's so crazy because it actually is.

They were the defending champions. They opened it up. You have no idea. World Cup winner right now. What is it? France. It's France. I think that Portugal number is going to be dropping after this performance.

Yeah. Brazil are a sleeping joint. And I know the starting lineup is not as good as it was or has been for many years. But, man, that fucking team, I don't even think it's necessarily bad not to play well in the first game at the World Cup.

You want to peek at the right time. You're a fucking example. Argentina, Argentina lost the first game to Saudi Arabia and they went on to win the World Cup the last time. Okay, so let's all fucking calm down.

It's Marathon, not a sprint, running one fucking game in. Calm down everyone. What are they saying as far as Golden Boot is concerned? What do they have? What do they have? Yeah, Mbapé.

Mbapé, Messi, 23%. Man, all of the stars last night. Haaland. And Bapé, we're the best nights in fucking World Cup in a long time. Absolute magic. Absolute magic. I couldn't get enough of it. You stay up for Austria, Jordan.

Or at least wake up early. Or who are you asking that, too? Petey. Oh, sorry. I told you said, did you stay over Austria, comma, Jordan. Oh. Asking Jordan. No, I didn't.

And then Ronaldo comes out here and lays a stinker after the stars were on fire last night. Yeah, he shouldn't even be playing. You got a red card. Here we go. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

Look at that. Left. Caught by the goal. He's going to score ahead. He's going to draw it. I think they're going to draw it. The doctor on fire. How's America doing as far as being a host?

Are people complaining? I think people are loving. Stadiums look unbelievable. The visuals of people like the Scots in Boston. The Scots are fucking magic. The visuals of these people, the Norwegians, I saw them having a grand old time. The cultures meshing together in some of these like, you know, like Midwest Kansas City and whatnot.

It's very fun. The complaints, if you want me to be honest, are all about, like, Iran being pushed out immediately after the game. Last night, there was a push back to Mexico. There was all reports about that this morning. There was an official from Peru, I believe he would have been the first Peruvian referee

to referee at World Cup game. May be wrong in the nationality there, but he got rejected at border control. He sent home. Would have been a big deal for him. And other than that, it's all like pricing things, right? Like, it's like the price of, of things and other stuff like that.

But in terms of how the games are going, I think it's fucking great. It's a little cool, baby. Final. Portugal won. How about it? Democratic Republic of Kong. Would have got a few quid on the draw there, I tell you.

A few. Fliqin hell. Gens, let's go back to the White House. Let's do it. And here's, everyone's been waiting to hear what Richard Millet has to say about what transpired in the main event. Here's a, I guess, is this a statement from Richard? Not necessary.

Well, resilience defines the greatest athletes, but accepting defeat with humility and finding the strength to come back strong. I'm reading this very slowly because I can't hardly see the text is what turns. Champions into legends. Bravo, Aaliyah. Your talent and fighting spirit remain as inspiring as ever. We are proud to stand by your side in victory and in defeat. I love that.

I mean, that's a massive brand, putting out a state. a sentiment, if you will. And amazingly, it seemed like Armistruchian put out a similar sentiment to Ilya. Here's a DM that he posted. Ilya, as soon as face ID starts working, change it to 17.1. It's not nice. It's not nice. Yeah, that's not the same void at all really, is it?

It's a very different feeling on that one. It's also stolen, right? Like somebody already did that content. It's like the next one. Wow. Rick just kicking them out. Yeah. I'm talking about Armond. I know, I know.

One of the news from the White House, Dana Wives on Pat McAfee, says the president's own Marine Corps band was incredible. Oh. The president, talking about Trump, told me that he was going to give the band a fight bonus. Oh. And I'm going to match that bonus. Oh. Wow. Well, so.

Is anyone getting more love than the president's own Marine Corps? Does your bro know about this? Let's go. I just texted you to him. Shout to Gunnery Sergeant Burgs. Now is it like 400K each, or are they dividing it? That's the question. All on the U.S. to win the World Cup.

That's my tip. All of it. How many people in that band? Oh, man, that's a great question. 30 or so? No, it looked like more than that. In total, probably like 100. The vocalists, are they part of the band, too, or are they hired?

Wow. The woman who did the superstar. Hannah, I think, her name was. God, she was unbelievable. You know, I watched the Gai Chi walk out like five more times, and I think I realized part of the magic is, we talked about the lighting and the cinematography and the rooms, in the deck. But the fact that the broadcast team, Anick, D.C. Rogan, don't speak for about the first

minute and 40 seconds of it added so much. Sometimes less is more. And there are broadcasts in which I feel like the announcers talk too much. The fact that they laid out, there was like a calmness and a stillness and a bit of like an eeriness to it all. Like he was almost like walking in a cemetery and the music about the grave and well, you don't usually hear that. You hear, ah, they're yelling. There's all this stuff. There was something. so unique. We will never experience anything like that again. It wasn't COVID, because those were obviously quiet as well.

It didn't feel that same way, but there was something, you know what I mean? It was very... Prestigious. There was... Prestigious to it. ...prudicious and still and... Solem, yeah. Yeah, it was... I love the fact that they didn't speak. Well done to all three of them. Everybody's talking about Justin's a walkout. Is it hipster for me to say I thought O'Malley's was the better one?

No, it's not hipster. I feel like everybody's talking about Justin. The Oval office. The way the... my mind. Diego's and Garcia's they were all great. When they

zoomed in on the double doors and opened them up for, I think it was Garcia because he went first.

Oh, so good. I think Justin's, a lot of it has added the aura of the fact that

he went in and upset. It's the totality of the whole fight that adds to it in my opinion.

It's incredible. Now, I've never felt someone sync with Dana at the flyover like when that

happened because I was literally doing the same thing. I was going, holy fuck what's happened,

you know what man, Trump's Day salute and I'm just going, fuck it out, what the fuck is going on? I think Dana said in an interview that he thinks the walkouts are like the greatest thing in the history of television. Yeah. Emmy's coming. They deserve an award. They deserve all the fucking,

whatever they are. Yeah. Well, here's SBJ guys. That's Sports Business Journal reporting moments ago, this is Adam Stern, who covers this side of the UFC, that the UFC card at the White House led to a notable increase in downloads for the Paramount Plus streaming service according to Censor Tower data,

highlighting why Paramount Skydance Corp is betting on the fighting property to build its direct-to-consumer platform. The UFC Freedom 250 card at the White House was the first professional morning event. Okay, okay, okay, do you, do, do, let's get to the stuff. Okay, according to estimates shared with SBJ, a market intelligence firm that sensor tower downloads of Paramount Plus nearly quadrupled from their prior 30-day average

for a 276% increase. Downloads nearly tripled from Saturday of last weekend to Fight Day on Sunday up 184%. Daily active users on the platform on Sunday jumped by 17% from the prior day and 34% from the previous 30 days. Doesn't give us the actual viewing numbers, but Dana White did say on Sunday that the Paramount CEO David Ellison was, quote, going crazy about the numbers. In case you're wondering, by the way, the Fox Sports app, which is carrying all the World Cup games, they saw downloads increased by 14-fold from the prior 30-day stretch. Downloads for the Fox Sports app up 181% day over day from the first day. I do have a gripe with that Fox Sports thing, though, because I went on to the Fox Sports app on the Fire TV,

and it then pointed me to a new app. So, like, Fox One or something? Fox One, so it feels like they could be juicing those numbers a little bit. that way. I mean, if you have to download a brand new ad, yeah, it's going to go way up in downloads now. That's a good point. That is a good point. Numbers and reports like these are often from, you know, the parties themselves, whether it be Paramount, whether it be UFC. The fact that the first thing we got was downloads and not viewership makes me think that we either might not get viewership or that viewership wasn't as expected. They have to know by now, right? They have to know by now. And we're getting download numbers.

Right. Okay, guys, a couple of other news and notes. Still to come, by the way, the great Alexander Volcanowski and Alex Perra in studio to talk about what transpired on Sunday. So stick with us here. There's a report on uncrown.com, the number one unbiased home for all things combat sports, which has a headline that states Floyd Mayweather facing two felony criminal charges in latest legal drama. This is from the great Darshang Desay, our leader for all things boxing. Floyd Mayweather is facing. Floyd Mayweather is facing. facing two felony criminal charges relating to a 2002 incident in which he allegedly wrote a $200,000 check to purchase in Otomar's Piguet watch from the Las Vegas base, gold and beyond, which never went through.

Mayweather, did I pronounce that correctly? Automapaget. Yep. Mayweather is being accused of theft, value of $100,000 or greater, and draw a pass check with intent to defraud, value $1,200 or greater. ESPN first reported the news on Tuesday. So there you have it.

Some legal troubles for Mr. Floyd Mayweather. Nothing that he's, you know, not used to. He's had some issues in the past, right? I mean, isn't it just fucking tragic, though? Like, let's be honest. You know what I mean? This guy earned so much fucking money. And now you're like a boom check for 200K.

Like, this guy has earned more money off boxing than anyone in the fucking world of all time. Yeah. And now, like, that, it's a lot of, you know. It's sad, man. It's sad that this is always the story in combat sports, unfortunately. Well, more often than not, this happens. Maybe it was an honest mistake. Look, I hope it was.

Yeah. Maybe it was like an old check or something from a different bank account. No. Speaking of Darshan, I saw this. He is reporting that Johnny Fisher, the great Johnny Fisher, is a free agent. Johnny Fisher has confirmed that his promotional deal with Eddie Hearns Matrum and their exclusive negotiation period has now expired. Allowing Fisher to speak to other promoters, talks remain ongoing between Fisher and

Matrum. Matrum also owns a matching right. Is he going to be the latest to jump ship? He was talking about this a few months ago, if I remember correctly. He was saying that a massive offer came forward and he was kind of saying, look, I think I'm going to stick with Eddie. But the fact that he's gone through that matching period or the negotiation period, and he's now a free agent would say to me he is looking for pastors new.

Yeah, he did. say that some people reached out and then he talked to Eddie. He's very loyal to Eddie. Huge deal on the table. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see. Let's see. This did get me thinking about the Fisher family who we all love so very much. Do you guys happen to see this video of Johnny Fisher paying homage to all the teams in the World Cup? Pizzi, surely you saw this, right? I did, yes. Fantastic. This is a tremendous piece of footage. Here it is. Oh, big John, and this is Bosch around the world. Mexico.

Yoriva Bosch, South Africa, Bokbosch, South Korea, K-Bash, Czech Republic, Pilsnup, Barsh, Canada, Maple Barsh, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bosnia, Bosnia, Katar, oil barge, Switzerland, cheese barge, Brazil, Samba Bosch, Morocco, PTR, you're you still there? Yeah, I'm asking you, which is your favourite? Scotland, Muckbosch, I mean, let me see them all again. United States of America, Yee-Bash! That's probably out there in front, to be honest, the American one.

Yeah, not bad. Gedeibosh. Shishbos, Turkey. Oh, that's good as well. Zibosh. The Kurosah one is a tough one. Do you think he's reading these or do you think he's doing it off the dome? I'd like to think top of the dome.

His eyes are staying transfixed on the lens, though. Like, he's a very talented man. You know what I mean? Ababash is very good for Sweden. It looks like he's reading, right, guys? Yeah. Yeah. I can't fucking believe this.

Are you serious? It's going to be hard to top the arrow. Look at his eyes. They're a little bit off to the, you know, the right of the screen. You're slandering one of the great, great influences of our generation. It is unbelievable. La Bosch. La Bosch is a classic.

No, no edits here, right? I mean, he's going straight. Babylon Bosch for Iraq. Interesting. Viking Bosch, yeah. Argentina. Argentina. I mean, it's really.

Studelebar It's tremendous Truddle bar It's fantastic It's tremendous content I did also happen to see by the way because I consume a lot

of Fisher family content Oh yeah There they are I did see this video You know they're not all jokes The Fisher family They do a great job Of trying to be leaders

Trying to be great role models I love this video from Johnny and his father Here it is In case you missed it Right, listen chaps, men's mental health is a serious, serious issue. If you think someone's struggling, go and check on them, go and see if they're all right. Even if you don't think they are, check and see if your mates are all good.

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Guys, yesterday, there was breaking news that we missed, but it is important that we address this real quickly. I mean, that was the breaking news, but I wanted to, yes. Oh, my God. Like a Phoenix. Rocking from the ashes. Oh, shit! They are back.

Y'all must have forgot the GFL. They never left. It's back. Book the doubters. Fuck all of you downers. You fucking, this is the great, this is going to be the greatest. Guys, we have to go. We have to go.

Are you kidding me? I've already booked my flight. October 17, 26. Lost Wages, Nevada will host the inaugural showcase event for the GFL, the Global Fight League, featuring four founding franchise markets, New York, Los Angeles, Miami, London. GFL is more than any other fight. promotion. It's a global league built around city pride rivalries and world

class competition guys. Team rosters and fight card details will be announced in the coming weeks. They have the draft already. It's going to happen at the Samstown Live in Las Vegas. A great, great venue. And by the way, MMAGFL.com,

there's no link there because you can't link in IG. I think it was good that they put that there. The OTC, what's the OTC? The original tribal chief? What does that stand for? It looks like some sort of coin. GFLE. Yeah. Samstown Live holds 1100 people.

Will we be among that? I think we have to be. Or exclusive than the White House. I think we have to be. I think it's probably going to sell it pretty quick. Or exclusive than the White House, just saying. How many times can you say that you've gone to the very first event in a company's history and especially a company this prestigious?

Just got your mate to buy a T-shirt that says you were at it. That's a strategy. for the That's going to be bananas. You know, Chuck has to be at this event.

Like if there's someone who is... It's a joke event. He says Chuck written all over it. If there was someone who was born to write to file the very first

piece on the very first GFL event, I feel... It's in the Ice Wars van, right? Like when he went to Ice Wars to P. Yeah.

Under the logo, it says established 2026. Yes? Just ignoring that it was established prior. to this? What do you mean? What do you mean?

They had the draft in 20... Oh, I guess yes. Okay, you're right. What do you think happened there with the hyphen you can't link in IG situation there? The AI poster is also. Do you think, okay, do you think that was a copy paste job and someone was trying to tell... I think it's saying that someone be like, post this, but have a quick...

That's admin saying like, sorry, you can't link on the IG caption, just, you know... I kind of feel like most people know that by now, no? It's a simple URL. Yeah, it's... No, they're just... Look, they're just... I don't even have to remember.

It's my home page. By the way, if you're watching us right now on the Yahoo Sports Network, stick with us. We're going to take a quick break. If you're on YouTube, don't go anywhere. We're still here. That one, there's a clunky one.

I can't wait to see you guys do this tomorrow. And I can't wait for pizza on Friday. If you're going to see on the Yahoo Sports Network, we'll be right back. Yeah. If you're here on YouTube, stick with us. There's no easy way to do it. And three.

And we're back, we're back, we're back. I get stressed out over the most basic things. Jordan and Andy can attest it before the crack. Oh, you doing the ad reads is cinema. He almost cried last week. Oh, my God. I was like, Pizzi, it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine.

It's going to be okay. Yeah, why do you get so nervous? Petit, this reports after I hopped out of the Zoom to, you know, calm your nerves, to walk you through the Kalshi stuff that you immediately were like, oh, my God, Jordan left. I can't believe it. How am I supposed to do this? is so much like, you're good, bro.

You've done it's on your time. You're fine. You're pro's pro. Why do you get so nervous? I like, I like to like, uh, cripple myself with doubt to force the best out of myself is what I like to do. Okay. Okay. No, GFL is publicly traded?

We're going to buy a few stairs? I mean, I think we just read it, right? Yeah, but GFL sports and entertainment. We should get a thousand of a thousand. I'm going to send you some money now with GC. Yeah, you want to let it be known. Officially, Ben Heffner. Shout out to Ben Hefner, a part of our team here, is the,

the number one GFL believer. He never doubted they'd be back. And maybe we send Ben. Maybe we send Ben and Chuck. And that's the combo that represent. Maybe it's a stream of Chuck watching. And our guy, Ben, is the one setting it up. Yeah.

If we had that at Ice Wars, I mean, what a trio would have been. Do you remember who he ended up sitting beside at this most unique of events? Ice Wars? Yes. We sat beside someone. Chuck Men, Oh, Chuck. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Sorry, so. It's fucking insane. It's, oh. This is from last year, right? I remember who's in Michigan, but I don't remember who. Who is it? Very famous boxer, one of the Four Kings. Oh, yes, yes, yes.

Tommy the Hitman-Herns, baby. Tommy Hurons? Yeah, I think so, yeah. I was going to say Hagler, but Hagler passed away. It couldn't have been him. No, it couldn't have been him. I was trying to remember. Yeah, that would be incredible.

By the way, did you happen to see this little guy that's been added to the desk here. I believe this is Des Walker. You familiar with Des Walker? Des Walker, of course I am, yeah. Yeah, this came from Lewis Watson, who's a member of the team. He was kind enough. Very good player.

He also gave me, like, pub, he gave me pub crackers. What are pub crackers? He told me, you don't know what pub crackers are? Don't you have... Tell me, though, and I'll tell you. It's not called pub crackers. You're going to show it to me, and I'll be like, oh, it's that thing. They aren't called.

One second, one second, one second. I'm getting them for you, okay? Just say, too. Are you, man. What the one is. fuck is this? Exactly. That's what I'm saying

in my head. Like, I know. He said everyone has to have these crackers. He said them in the post.

Let me see. Scampy flavor fries. Scampy fries are not fucking crackers. I knew you were going to do this. No. It's a different. Scabby fries is a different thing.

What is it? What is he did call that? A close sibling of bacon fries. Fucking crackers. What are talking about? Scampy fries. Is this like shrimp-flavored stuff?

Should I try? You better believe it is. It's fishy. Is it? Is it going to... If you're ready for fishing. But I'm about to talk to Alex. Ishi or shrimpi?

What are you supposed to... What are you eating this way? Can I just be honest? I'm going to be honest with you. I'm more partial to the bacon fruit than the scampi fry. Elaine, you want the scampi fruit. Delian, loves a fucking scampy and lending taste. Who eats a shrimp's...

Take the arm off you for a scampy fry, she would. Hmm. Yo, it's a little salt. It looks some. It's a little salt and vinegar-esque. Yeah. They've got salt and vinegar on them, all right? That's a crazy thing.

Someone ate a shrimp scampy, and they were like, let's chip flavor them. Wow. They're actually really good. Bacon fries. Are you, can't eat bacon fries? But it's not really bacon. It's just flavoring, right? I don't know.

Is it actual bacon? No, no, no. You reckon they're fucking there with a little of streaky bacon just fucking throwing potatoes in the mix? Come on me. I don't freaking know what it is, but this is great stuff. So what, you have this at the pub? You have them at the pub.

What, they give them to you with the drink? No, you're buying them. What was that mean? Like you're getting like a bowl of them or you're just getting it like this? No, you're saying, give me exactly like that. They have a strip of them like that. Okay. Wow.

Very kind of him. He was in New York. He dropped it off. Gave me a magazine. Gave me the, the Des Walker over there. That was a clue. Deswockers a lovely one. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, they have that. I love that. I don't know what scamp. What is scampy? It's fish. That is? Like.

Is it? Scampi is just a stout. Like, you know, you can get some white wine, lemon, some garlic, some fresh airs. So it's actually not fish, is what you're saying. It's a seafood dish featuring shrimp, cooked in like a rich sauce, a garlic, butter, white wine, lemon. It's often served over like a pasta. Is it? With like crusty bread.

But what is it? It's just chips. It's a sauce? Campi and chips. It's a sauce? Technically, technically refers to the. The langustine in the U.S., the term That's seafood.

It's just the preparation style. Typically made, it's made with shrimp. Yeah, the key is to cook the shrimp quickly in a flavorful sauce. It's similar to like an oreganoata. Yeah. That, I don't know what that means. I don't eat it, thank God. Here's just a real quick definition of it.

Tell me. It's a crustacean-based seafood day. Okay, okay. I could, uh, I could jive with that. I like it. Scampy and lemon flavor season. cereal snack cereal what is that all why is it called cereal snack

you're actually supposed to pour milk over them could you imagine you're not no Jesus I'm supposed I didn't get you a packet of bacon for his when you're here jeezed you let you down man you let me down in more ways than one

wow wow did you get the chicken fillet nope did you get the the potato chip sandwich wow so what did you get him didn't see Blanche either didn't go to Blanche glimmerman

Closed. Hardly even know him. Yeah, yeah. All right. So it seems like you didn't quite, because PT was stressing. He's like, I just want to show him a good time.

Sounds like you didn't do that. He said he had a great time until he gets a few months out. He's like, oh, that was shit, actually. You know what? In retrospect, it wasn't as good as I thought.

Listen, you live and you learn, right? We'll do all that when I come over for Katie at Croke. Oh, yeah. Well, you see, the situation was we're on camera eating all these dishes. Like, you know what I mean?

It was a one-stop situation. when were we doing that? Oh yeah, we did the, what was that? Jodai. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, what a time. And then we nearly missed you. The wayans.

He had the drive across down. And we remember we were running. We were sprinting. They're like, hey, you're supposed to interview Katie and Chantal on the stage. Like, what? No one told me this. I'm just wearing like regular clothes. Certainly not befitting of the moment.

But yes, we were running there. Okay, so guys, Alex Prayer is going to join us in about 35 minutes time in a matter of hopefully moments. His team tells me they're logging on. Alex Volcanovsky is going to join us. So a lot to be excited about it. Next week, by the way, I do want to let you know that it's a big week here in the tri-state area. We've got Geron Boots Ennis against Xander Zias.

What a fight that is in Brooklyn. Same day, England's playing. And then the weekend, yeah, like the two days prior is the darts at the InfoSys Theater. formerly known as the Hulu Theater, formerly known as the Felt Forum. I keep looking online guys every two seconds, and they're like, if you're going to the parade,

you want to get there at 4 a.m. It's like a lot, I feel like there's a lot of fear mongering going on. 4 a.m. It's too much. If you're going to the parade, you might want to, you know, reserve your spot now. People are, people are paying $750 to reserve their spot.

What? Is that wild? That's not the true spirit of parade. No, no, no, no, no. You think I should go, PT? The parade is for the common man. Who the fucks paying 750 quid? Fuck that. That's ridiculous. No, no, no, it's people just like taking advantage of the moment.

They're saying they're going to reserve a spot. Are you going? It's in like 15 hours. Yeah, yeah. I got to wake up in like 15 hours. All right. No, no, no. Am I going?

No, I was just confirming what you were saying. I don't know. We're figuring out. You don't know. It's going to be a game time decision. We've already pushed back the idea that we were going to sleep at a hotel tonight to get there early, and then we realize it's not really going to help unless you're waking up at 4 a.m. So here we are.

How could you not go? I don't know. Nick's win a championship, but we're not going to the parade? Here's what I don't want. I don't want... Think about all the germs. I don't want my mood to change. I don't want to get frustrated.

I don't want to be annoyed by the lack of seeing anything or, the close quarters or anything like that. Do you know what I mean? No, because you're going to be amongst people who were just as hungry for it as you. Listen, I was hungry to go to game three and I was stuck in there like sardines and I was quite annoyed. You're going, bro. You're going. It was all Knicks fans too.

It's back and forth. Must be nice. You know what the best view of my right is? This is me playing out my fears. Must be nice to finally get that championship you've been craving, you know, talking about how tortured you were. You finally get it and it's like the parade comes and you're like, whatever, you know.

Don't even start with that. Best view of a parade TV. And stop and stop moaning about it. It's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. All right, right, right, right, right. This is Ariel right now. Yes?

Just more than two cents. Don't go. Don't go. Peechee, don't do this. Don't, don't. What are you talking about, man? That Pici. Don't go.

Ireland wins the World Cup. You're not going to the parade. Do you guys do parades over there? I have someone else. We invent a parades, mate. What about the fact that the parade is only like a mile long? pathetic. Why would you go and see that?

Pathetious. Potetic. Okay, here's Shaheen Al-Shadi who says, as someone who dreams of this, I will personally be offended if you don't go to the crate. I mean, he's right. Shaheen and I used to like bond in our misery. Suns fan, Nick's fan, we've been close.

He was the one who told me, Mikkel Bridges is going to make it happen for us. He was the one that made me believe. So you know what? Here I am. Here I am. Because of Shaheen and his sentiment, it's brought me back to

I think if we asked you a month ago if the Knicks pull it off Are you gonna go to the parade? It would be like... I would have said naked. Yeah, you were like... I'm like... 1000%

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You'd have to murder me for me to not make. Now that you got it, you're like, oh, you know, just get it. If the parade were today, we wouldn't have even had a show. So like, you have to go. It's a good point.

It's a good point. It's a good point. These are good points. Also, Alicia Keys is performing. Is she really? Yeah. Where? Wonder what song she's going to play?

On the end on the stage. Yeah, but now I heard that if you want to go to the end, you have to have a ticket. What's up with that? You know what? I didn't even think how the parade is going to affect me getting to work tomorrow. My mom actually just sent me a link. See? You know, FYI on getting to work tomorrow.

It might be tough for you. No, I think you'll be fine. Why? Because you're coming from downtown? I mean, my subway goes straight through the parade route. I think you're sleeping on the couch? It might skip the stops. I hope it does.

Yeah. I mean, it might make it actually quicker for you. in the end. It looks like I'm good. It's a whole mischugas, but it's a great time to be alive. I got to say, you definitely shouldn't go to the end, because everyone's going to try to pack in the end to see the speeches and all that type of stuff.

You're better off in the middle where the big trucks are driving by and get the shot of them up top, shotgun and beers, holding the trophy. That's the best part. That's the best part. All right. You've been? Yeah, you know, we've had some Philadelphia Eagles parades in my time.

Of course, of course. Must be nice. All right, right, right, right, we're going, we're going, right. It'll be nice. He has a parade tomorrow. He's been to multiple ones. He's been to multiples, all right? He's been to multiples.

Listen, speaking of multiples, if you're watching us on the Yahoo Sports Network, I don't know why that's speaking of multiples. Well, this is one of our multiple breaks that we have to take. Here it is, if you're watching us on YouTube, don't go anywhere. And we're good, and we're good, and we're good, and we're good. In a matter of seconds here, we're going to be joined by Alex Volcanowski. He's not here yet, right? I'm being told.

Struggling with the old Zoom, like, are they? Okay. Oh, what is this? What is this? Okay, yeah, there we go. He's going to be joining us, and then Alex Pereira in studio. Alex Pereira is obviously quite upset. He's posted multiple things.

In fact, here's Plinyo Cruz talking to the team at the gym. Cruz MMA, I do believe this was yesterday, about their experience. fighting at the White House. I saw yesterday. Staying in a flight, right? Paying some time over our work. That's how life it is. Now it's up to us to accept to be on the floor

or to get up, shake off in combat. America loves women, but more than everything, America loves of them come back to go. And Alex got off that by Israel design, he stayed three minutes of conscious on the floor. They hydrate. We came back, we won the title in two fights. We lost Songkala.

I just chose to just say, we're done, we did enough. Multiple times Mori Chen, multiple times. UFC champ. I love the basketball hoop in the back there. It's a great spot. He's a great leader. He's going to be joining us in studio in about 30 minutes time to talk about what transpired on Saturday.

Excuse me, Sunday. I keep making that mistake. at the White House. And one individual who was there, in fact, one of the very few UFC champions who was in attendance, who wasn't fighting. He was there to corner his relatively new friend and teammate, Maricio Huffy,

and he had a fantastic win over Michael Chandler. He's the pride of Australia, the reigning defending UFC featherweight champion. The one and only Alexander, the great Volcanovsky. Is he really there? I don't believe it. I don't believe my eyes. I mean, it's easier to get the President

of the United States on these days than it is to get Alex Volcanov. It's unbelievable, this guy. Hello, Alex, how are you? Everything good. This is Ariel. Ariel Hawani here speaking to you from New York City. How are you?

I'm good, man, I'm good. My, keep them busy, man. You know, obviously family, full kids. And the cooking stuff keeps me too busy, man. I'm taking the piss, as they say, but I see you out there doing the cooking stuff. There are people who just know you as a cooking influencer at this point, right? I'm sure there's people who come up to you

and have no idea that you're a superstar UFC champion. Yeah, well, they come up. Like, even like just last night, someone goes, I actually watched your cooking and then realize you were MMA fighter like after. So you hear people say it. It's almost like an ongoing joke now. But like, people just sort of muck around me. But then you get legit people saying that they know me from the cooking channel and just figured out that I fight for a little. Where are you off to now?

It looks like you're in a safari or something. No, no. We're actually in Austin, Texas. Okay. Boston, Texas, yeah, yeah, so it's been good. So just did a little bit of a travel before we had home. We head home, so it was good. Had to go get some Texas barbecue.

So we've Joshua Weissman right now, which was cool. He showed us some cool spots and got plenty coming. Plenty more, so thank you for that. You know the socceros are playing in the World Cup against the US of A in a couple of days. We were wondering if you were going to attend. I've got to get home. I'm going to get home.

You know, I should be home. back with the family, obviously. I had to do a couple of things after the weekend of fights, but I'm ready to get home. Got to get home. So I'm going to miss it. I'll be watching, though. I'll be there fully changing.

But, yeah, can't be there. Got to get home. Fair enough. So, like I said, you were one of the few champions who was at the White House event, but not fighting, of course. You were there to corner Maricio Hoofi. From your perspective, what was it like to be there? And was there any part of you that was like, man,

I wish I was a part of this event fighting in this, in this venue on this card. No, I didn't really think of it like that. I was just, I was a part of it. I thought a part of it to be there and be ringside and be part of a Rufi's fight week and, you know, the corner team, the coaches. It was a, it was pretty cool, man. It really was something special. I'm sure it looked great on TV.

You know, UFC always do a great job with the production. But, mate, to be there in person, it just, There was something about it. I mean, it's pretty obvious that it's going to be incredible. But, like, just, you know what's, you can feel it's a historic event, but there was just a different feeling about it as well. The breeze that was coming through just added to it, it was pretty cool to be ringside cornering at that spot.

That's a long journey for you from Australia. As you mentioned, you're very busy with the kids and whatnot. Maricio, a newer member of the team. Is that an automatic yes for you? or do you have to figure things out beforehand? What does it take to get Alex to come on over to corner these days? Look, the timing is going to have to obviously work. But, yeah, the timing did work for us this time

and got to be a part of a crazy event. So lucky and an honor to be a part of it. But, yeah, for sure. I'm going to be helping with as much camps as I can. He's such a good dude. And he'll be helping me for some of my camps as well. So, yeah, this would definitely be an ongoing thing. Did he spend his entire camp with you guys in Australia?

No, no, he did it. So he did spend a lot of time with us last camp for his fight with Ruffer. So we spent some time in Thailand and then we spent some time, obviously, in Australia. So that was great, you know what I mean? It was great to get to know him and, yeah, sort of help out with anything that he needed help. Obviously, you don't need no help with striking. As I've said, multiple times this week, even before. the fight and especially after that, I truly do believe he's probably the best strike in the

UFC. Like, and I do believe that when it comes to the eye, the accuracy and just the understanding of the game, it's next level. I'm doing it all with everything else. Any questions he has and, you know, maybe experience, I'm there to help. Was that how you thought the fight was going to go? Did I cut out now? No, you're good.

Yeah. Yeah, it was. I thought, yeah, all good, cheers. I think much, you know, that's no knock on a channel. I just know how good roof you. And, yeah, I knew that a, that Chandler would definitely look for the takedowns as well. I knew there would be a bit of a,

when I want to try to get the legs, try and get the hips, but I knew it's going to be hard. You're not that much younger than Michael Chandler, yet you're in a much different place. When you see, you know, it's father time undefeated, but when you see these fighters who, you know, clearly aren't who they once were, once they reach, you know, a little bit, you know, closer to 40, high 30s, things like that, do you start thinking about your own career or do you do not compare yourself at all? No, I don't compare myself. Like, everyone's going to knock Chandler and just say, you know, he's getting older and whatnot. But, no, look at his face. He's always facing top guys.

He has his whole career. He should be becoming UFC, he was all the top guys. And he still is doing that. You know, he's not going to be the exact same fight as he was five, six years ago. But he's still, obviously, very fit, still explosive enough and whatnot. But just when you're fighting some of the best guys in the division, it's going to be tough every single time, you know, and he's always been a dangerous sort of opponent, but, you know, he's an exciting fighter, so that's, you know, there's always going to be a tough sort of a path,

you know, to, in a career, right, it's always going to be a tough path, you know, you're going to be in a position where you might be able to be explosive and hit them, but you obviously can get touched up as well. You have those types of walls back to back, and it will catch up to you, but, you know, I just think it's the people in front of him, to be quite honest. Funny situation for you because two of your previous opponents were also on the card. I'll ask you about Diego. What was the interaction like with him? I know there's no bad blood there or anything, but you had just fought him and beaten him.

Did you happen to talk to him at all? Yeah, yeah, man, we get along. Every time we see each other, you know, we're shaking hands, even a little hug, you know what I mean? It's pretty, he's a chill, really nice guy, man. That's why he's so well loved because he's such a chill, cool dude. And he obviously, you know, puts on his exciting fight. and he likes to finish and everyone loves his style.

Yeah, he's well loved, but yeah, he's a top dude. We always get along every time we see each other. I get along with pretty much all my opponents, to be honest. I'm pretty easy going, and yeah, I've got along with pretty much everyone. Were you surprised that he looked so good against Steve Garcia, or were you expecting that? I always expect him to win. You know, I don't know if looked great. He's just so tough, mate.

That's the thing. These guys in the division are going to always have trouble with him. I thought Steve Garcia was going to do well. He was going to – he'll probably be – because he's got very tidy boxing. I thought he would have some success early. I was saying this to Bo Nicol. Literally, I was chatting to Bo Nicol. And Bo Nicol is asking him, what do I think?

And the fight went exactly how I said. I go, look, man, he's going to have success. Steve Garcia is very tidy, but – Lopez is just going to eventually catch him. I can't see a lot of these guys being able to stay that disciplined and that tidy for the whole fight. Maybe 15 minutes,

maybe they can survive. That's why I've always said that I'm the bad matchup for for Diego. I feel like he's going to beat all these double guys. But I'm just a horrible matchup for him because I can stay disciplined and just do the right things

for the full 25 minutes. What about Ilya? In your opinion, what went wrong for Ilya? Why was that not the same guy? Was it all something that Justin did? Was it something that he didn't do? What was your take on how that fight played out? Oh, it was a bit of everything. You have to credit Gaitch for like an unreal game plan.

He stayed very disciplined. He knew when to fire. He knew when to block. He knew went to put himself in safe positions. He did a great job. So great execution of the game plan was definitely a massive. I thought Ilya was very aggressive. I think he tried to rush everything very early. and that's why it took damage pretty early even though he had success in them earlier rounds. He was starting, you know, that damage was already accumulated. You know,

he started getting a little busted up straight away. The jabble was leaning on Gage. Gagee did a great job of Jabble on the back foot. Staying safe enough when Ilya was trying to hit him or even when he did hit him. Like even those times where that, you know, Ilya would bridge a nice, beautiful one, two. He would just roll with it and, you know,

rattle him a bit, but not enough to put him lights out. And then just straight after that, put himself in a safe enough position where Ilya just couldn't land that clean shot to put him to sleep and then slowly, slowly war on him and then just started having more and more and more success as Ilya started, you know, that power started to go a little bit. He was always there.

He never gave up, but, you know, it was just missing after the, you know, the top of the pop was there in this round, but you start to see that diminishes if I went on. Is there something to the fact that, perhaps he thought he was going to put him away and then once he didn't, that would affect the way in which he was approaching the fight? Do you think that's a possibility? Yeah, 100%.

That's what I mean by Rushdick. Like he rushed at his in, I'm getting the finish. I'm getting it straight away. You know, it's a white house card. You know, let's put a finish on. Let's, you know, let's another first round knockout. You know, he had that sort of, he would have been confident. He definitely could have pulled that off.

But if you don't, you know, it's all right fight. It's a right fight. you know, you will run into shots, run into punches, and you will gas. And that's sort of what happened. So, look, it was a risk and a risk that Ilya took, you know, and that was the choice he made. And it could have paid off for him. You've seen him he did hurt at Justin a couple of a few times,

but Justin just did a great job to survive and be just that little bit safe enough to do work. As you know, styles make fights. people can fight, you know, like you can fight a guy three times, you'll lose him three times, you can beat another guy, look like a world beater, fight that guy three times and beat him. What do you think happens if they fight again? Do you think it's the same result? Do you think Justin's just a bad matchup for him or you figures it out?

No, no, no, I don't think if it fights the right fight, he will learn a lot from that. I think Ilya wins a rematch. And that's, man, there's no knock on Justin at all. It's just like, obviously, Ilya was a, you know, favorite. for a reason. But yeah, I just think that, you know, if he doesn't rush as much, fights at a little bit better distance,

and then, you know, does what he usually do, he sets up nice traps, he'll eventually find him. But being so aggressive is sort of what cost him, I believe. UFC just announced... But that's what's so good about...

Wait, that's what's so good about the story, though, for Justin Gaci. Like, look at his career and, you know, it didn't look like he was going to ever actually feel the real undisputed belt and then he goes in massive underdog White House and then fights the perfect fight and gets the win. That's what adds to this story. I think that's incredible and good on him.

Like, you know what I mean? I'm obviously a fan of both guys, you know, good for that big fan of Elyar. And for Justin to do what he did, mate, well done. That's incredible. UFC just announced the main event for their August numbered event, Islamachacha versus Ian Machado-Garry. So obviously you're off that one. September, October, we're trying to figure out when Alex Volcanovsky is coming back.

What can you tell us? Well, all I say is I want, you know, I want September. I wanted September, but I don't know if we're going to be able to lock that in. I guess that's all I can say. Is that on your end or their end? Oh, you muted there. We don't hear you anymore. Something happened.

Okay. Right when we were getting... Oh, you're back. Okay, so is that on your end? You muted right at the good part. Your end or their end? Well, I want September. Okay.

It's obviously not my end. But, I mean, I understand how this game works. I need to make sense in all angles. I'm still pushing for that. So nothing's confirmed for me. I think they, like I was even talking to McKenzie Dern, like she didn't get a confirmation. Like she literally, when I was talking about the White House. So they obviously had a lot of things they had to do there.

I mean, the White House was a big, ready to lock things in. Let us get this out of the way. We'll be conifide soon. We'll worry about that other stuff after at least one of these events. Do you think it would be October then? Or is it possible we're waiting even longer than that? I don't know. Is this frustrating for you?

You've told us in the past about how you want to fight. You want to be active. Yeah. All right. One sec. One sec. Sorry. Thank you.

I appreciate that. No. Look, for me, for me, I do you look at, no, it's not frustrating. It's not frustrating. Um, much. Oh, do we lose him? Sorry, man.

I keep bloody pressing the button on the ears. They're not fitting in my cauliflower ears. No, you're good, you're good. So it's a problem we have with these ear pods. But yeah, look, it's, look, it is what it is. Again, it could still be September. Obviously, I'm not pushing for that, but we just don't know yet. Okay.

And would it be fair to say it is going to be Mofsar? Yeah, I think it's fair to say. Again, nothing's confirmed, but that's what we want. I'm pretty sure it's what the UFC want. Yeah. Obviously, he deserves it, and it makes the most sense. In a perfect world for you, how many, you know, like, is two fights enough? Or were you hoping because you fought earlier in the year it was going to be three fights?

I mean, like, well, you know, if the timing worked and I could fit free and that would have been good. But realistically, you know, I wasn't confident that I'd be able to fit free and, to be honest. But I will fit in two. And that's good enough. Where are you now, by the way? Where you now? Tell us where you are. This is like a safari with Volta.

Well, I mean, well, I mean, I'm not. I mean I'm in Austin No no no like where specifically are you right now Like are you in a restaurant Where is this? Well you want me to tell everyone with my Oh I didn't know where you I didn't know you were at a hotel

I see trees all I see in trees Yeah yeah now We're just at our spot now But we just did some shoot A bit of content with Joshua Wiseman Okay Yeah it was a good fun Hey what about the the cookie with Vogue protein bar

We just got those in the studio. In fact, look at those. Oh, there you go. Nice. Nice to be. They sent you some, did they? Yeah, they did. Look, the whole crew back there are enjoying them right now as we speak. Oh, I appreciate it.

Thank you. He's a legend. Thanks for that. Yeah, yeah, it was cool. Something that we wanted to do. Obviously, I've got guys out of work with CBT, and they do bars, but then I wanted to do my own. And obviously, I like how they roll. They do everything.

All natural and Gris. ingredients. So yeah, I don't want no bullshit in the stuff. So, you know, it wasn't easy. It's not easy to get a protein bar right, especially when you're using all natural ingredients. But I'm happy with it. Can I ask you real quickly, and I'll let you go because I know you're busy. Can I ask you, what do you think about Max versus Connor next month? You know Max very well, better than anyone. Do you think he beats Connor? Do you think Connor can do it? What do you feel about that? Oh, yeah, like, I think it's a great fight.

I think that's definitely a fight to make. Conner's, you know, he's not going to be the exact kind of we always met, but I guarantee you're still going to be dangerous. I guarantee you. So I think he will still have, maybe have a little, you know, he's not enough and he's just going to end up wearing. Okay. and get probably in a third round or something.

And that's Max, right? So you broke up there. You're saying Max in the third round? Max, yeah, Max win in the third round, I reckon. Okay, cool. Thank you so much, Alex. You still got me? It's a little bit choppy.

It's a little bit choppy. So I didn't want to... Sorry. No, it's all good. It's all good. Listen, there was once a time where, you know, Alex... Well, I'm actually staying still still now. Oh, you are?

Okay. I'm actually staying still if you wanted to have a... Oh, yeah. I thought I felt like I was bothering you, to be honest. I felt like I was bothering you. Now, no, my, my gosh. Okay, let's see, let's see. Do we have, do we have him?

Now we're, now you're frozen. It's probably worse than you now. It seems like it's worse right now. I don't know, it's not working. Oh, wait, wait, now you sound good. I don't know, what's got for? How's he look? How's he look?

Okay, sound good one, sick. Okay, it's a black screen, but we can hear you at least, so we can still chat. Can you hear me? What about now? I can hear you, I can see you. That's fine, let's keep. We'll keep talking. What about, Abe, what about the love that you saw?

Well, you don't happen anymore. I don't see you, but I hear you, perfect. I'm okay with that. Okay. No, it's not that. I don't know what's going. We'll try the Wi-Fi. We'll get there.

We'll get there. It's all good. Tell me about your trip to South Korea. What about that response that you got there when you were hanging out with Korean zombie? Did that blow you away? That was cool, man. That was awesome. That was incredible. You know, the fans were incredible over there. Obviously, they love the UFC. They love MMA. And to get over there, get that reception was awesome. You know, they haven't been around too many places. Well, I've got that type of love, you know. So it's, it's pretty special. I really appreciate it. And where did you meet Matt Damon? I saw you with Matt Damon. What was that all about? That was at the races, actually, the horse racing, Matt Damon.

Yeah, it was pretty cool. Yeah, we got to meet him. He's a cool dude. He's a big fan of the UFC as well. Wow. So, yeah, he was very, very cool, dude. Can you see me now? I don't think so, guys.

Sure, let's see him. Really? Yeah, there he is. I want to see him, yeah. Okay, see you now. Yeah, we're there. Okay, all right, sweet. But yeah, he was awesome.

He was incredible. And what about the Recep? Who did? The ellipse, the Receptive. the reception. I think you did a cooking with Vogue over there, right? Yeah, we did. We did some filly cheese states over there and it was good fun. You know, it was just, yeah, I mean, like a cook, it's cool, but to be able to interact with everyone, I made sure I try to get them pumped up and fired up and, you know, that were great.

So they made me feel good and made it look good as well because the support was awesome. Well, while I have you in a stationary spot for a moment, can I ask, was there any talk about John Silva, he was really pushing to leapfrog over everyone. I know the fight isn't done just yet, but it seems like you want Mof's Sarr, they want Movs. Was there any talk of John to the best of your knowledge? No, not on the, obviously he was talking about it, pushing. I did immediate, maybe saying stuff, but never from the UFC.

His name wasn't coming up. I mean, the thing is, I don't blame him. Like, you know, you're in a position, you're going to try and push for it. You're going to do that. but it's hard for me to take that serious when I've, I don't know I've got a clear guy like Mobsar who deserves it, you know what I mean? Like, everyone knows how I am as a champ to understand.

Like if you deserve it, you know, if you're that number one guy, that's it, that's who I want to fight. And I feel like, I'm almost full bad in the sense where Mobsar's been that number one guy for quite some time now when he hasn't got the shot, but, you know, it'd be silly for him not to get the shot now. Al Jermaine is pushing strong. Do you think it's inevitable that you guys will fight at some point?

I mean, he's right there as well. Like, I mean, how his name's obviously getting brought up a lot. He's taken out of all the guys. He's only lost to O'Connor, I guess a controversial loss, he could say, with Mobsar. So he's another guy that's right up there. And one more. What about Arnold Allen?

Did you happen to see how he looked recently? Yeah, yeah, I did. Who did he face again? I'm trying to remember who he fought. Melka Costa. Oh, that's it. That's it. Sorry, yes. Yeah, yeah, it was great. I mean, I like, I love that. Arnold. I think he's a good dude, very nice guy, very respectful guy. And he obviously has schools. So it's always good to see him get the win. So happy for him. I only have three kids. Is there a big difference between three and four? At that point, is it just all crazy? No, I feel like three to fours, not bad. Two to three, we noticed. I noticed, and my wife and I, everyone and I, everyone and I,

definitely noticed two to three. But three to four, you know, we've been, you know, quite lucky with, we've, she's been great. Whether that's how we, you know, now that we've had four, like we're chilling through it all, I don't know, or obviously her being a pretty cruisy baby helped a lot. One more? We're going to try to go for one more? The boy? Oh, no, I'm done. Okay. I'm done. I love it. I was done, you know, I'm upset. But in saying that, upset. I was done after two kids, and here we are. But I've had enough. You're the man, Alex. Thank you so much. I've had enough kids. I'm just taking the piss, as they know. They say that over there in Australia, right? Taking the piss? Do they say that? That's exactly right. You nailed it.

Perfect timing for it. I appreciate you squeezing us in. Congrats on everything. Congrats on the Lopez win. To my point. We haven't talked to you since the Lopez win. It's been that long. I mean, oh, we haven't shattered after that. No, we haven't had a proper chat, if I'm being honest. But you know, you're talking. It was once a time where Alex was reaching out to me, hey, man, can I get on for a few minutes? Now I have to go through eight levels of security just to get to you.

And as, you know, we're, sorry, me. But this happens. We're used to it. It's okay. But I'm delighted for you. Enjoy your time in the U.S. And we'll talk to you soon, hopefully. No worries.

Sorry about running around and the reception and whatnot. I apologize for that. All good. All good. All good. Thank you, Alex. We appreciate it very much. All the back.

Safe travels. No worries at all. Thank you. There he is. Alexander the great Fulkanowski. You know, you got to kill them with the gilchip. I like the rubber bands. Okay, is it hot in here?

Is it just me? You think we could up it a little bit or what? Up the air? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the AC. So bring it down. Well, I guess so, yeah. I guess I think about like blasting the AC, like upping it as opposed to the... So crank up the AC.

crank up, yeah, up. Bring down the temperature. Or that, yep, yep, yeah, yeah, or that. If possible, I mean, if it's not too much to ask. We spoke about a Canadian fighting in the main event of UFC 330. Here is a report from Nolan King of MMA junkie, who is telling us that Aaron Blanchfield versus our old friend, Jasmine. Yes, the busiest.

Frank was ready with that one. There it is. That's an important fight at Flyweight. I like that fight. So a little Canadian flavor in Philly. Not too far away from actual Canada, of course, northeast. The last numbered event in Philly, it wasn't UFC 1. No, it was UFC 133, Rashad Evans against Tito Ortiz, I do believe.

I remember interviewing Dana White in a hotel room prior to that card. I remember Bernard Hopkins, believe it or not, being in a interviewing him in a boxing ring at the open workouts, which was unique. They brought out the executioner who of course is a Philly legend.

So there you have it. Mr. Alex Pereer is going to join us, or as they're calling him these days, Alex Pereira. You guys notice that? Alex Pereira. Anyway, while we wait for him,

a few super chats, and Alex's going to join us in studio, by the way. Here's Mohammed 3565 who broke the news, actually. We should credit him that Isamachathe versus Ian Gary is official. Did he, what is this, QAR? What's QAR? Is that QARee money? QA.

What is QAR? QARi Rial. Wow. Look at you. Is that an olive branch? Because Canada's playing Qatar later this. this week. That's how I'm taking it.

Here is Jake from the Windy City who says, Ariel, any favorite UFC fights during the SEG era? Wow! We're going all the way back. Well, obviously, Hoyst versus Ken Shamrock was great stuff. I would probably have to say that.

Was Mark Coleman versus Jeremy Williams? That was SEG. That's a legendary fight. I mean the UFC one fights Gerard Gordo versus Tela Tully the kick and the tooth

flying out that was tremendous Frank Shamrock winning the belt I mean there weren't how many fights were in the actual SEG era how many cards like 30 because they didn't have fight nights back then what about

was Shoney Carter the SECG era the spinning back fist against Matt Sarah? Let's see. That was an incredible knockout. Johnny Carter. Matt Sarah. That was like UFC 30?

31. Was that SCG? It might have been Zoufa by then. Like that might have been like literally the first. Does it say on topology who the promoter is? It says UFC but it doesn't say the parent company. What was first event? of Zufa era. I think it's 31.

30. Battle on the boardwalk. They used to have the names back then. I love those names. What else? What else? Superchats. Here's Andrew Carr who says, did you take down the Connor versus Marcus picture? He was looking for himself on the wall. Better have me up there. Good thing. The belt distracted him. Yeah, that's true.

I don't know what. That was in the old studio, by the way. Do we not have any Connor stuff here? He was, yeah. He had a big shot up yesterday. We should have. You're right. Taking it with him. Yeah.

They're taking it on to Fallon. You know, I was thinking about that. Yeah, I thought about it right as he got up. I was like, ah, we blew it. Yeah, we blew it. Big shot, yeah. We don't have any of him. What about on this side?

The big shot is kind of wearing a similar suit to the one that he wore in Fallon, too. Yep, yep, yep. I don't see something. I don't see anything. Nope, nope, no, no, no, no, yeah. We did have it in the old studio. We did have it in the old studio, but I guess we've had the big shot.

I'm looking right at it. It's right over here. By the way, I'm going to show it to you. If you're watching us on the Yahoo Sports Network, we'll be right back. YouTube, stay right there. Yahoo Sports Network will actually see you tomorrow. We are signing off.

Here it is. Yeah, welcome back. Welcome back. Why didn't we have this up yesterday? A lot was going on. We weren't even sure if he was going to show up. These Big Shot guys, they're very cozy. People let me tell you about my best friend.

So yes, the pictures that we had in the old studio, the vast majority aren't the same. I guess we did have the GSP one. That one's significant for me. I was watching it. Montreal, UFC 65, Sacramento, champ sports bar. I told the story a million times. What else?

What else? What else? Cousin Kev. All-time. top three favorite rappers of all time for Ariel Rick and G.C. Mine's M&M 50 cent, Tupac.

Definitely not 50 cent. I could live with Tupac and M&M. For me, Tupac, this is in no particular order right now. And does it have to be like solo rapper or like as Wutang's up there for me for sure? I think Wutang

counts. Does it count? This is like your favorite too. We're not talking about like who's the greatest. Right. Just your three favorite. So I would say Tupac, the ones that make me feel something, Tupac, Wutang, I mean, I'd get roasted if I said Drake, right?

I like, I'd put Drake in my personal, what I like, who I am playing the most top three is, yeah, Drake's in there. So those are probably the top three. Drake. How about you? Yeah, I like Drake a lot. Aesop Rock. Aesop Rocky, for you, for you for you for me.

No, no, Aesop Rock. from New York. Yeah. He was the one that GQ... Isn't that the same person, by the way? No. Wait. Who are you saying, Frankie?

Aesop Rock. Aesop Rock. Yeah. Yeah, he's the one that GQ went up to and said, Are you a Knicks fan? And he goes, Huh. Am I a Knicks fan?

I am New York Nick. I am the New York Knicks. That's Asap Rocky. I think it's the same guy. Who are you saying, Frank? I'm going to say it the third time. Asop Rock. It's like Asof, like,

Ah, yes, A-E-S-O-P, A-S-O-P-Roc. Yeah. People on the stairs. Yeah, that's A-S-A-S-Rockey. Nope. Two completely different people. Interesting. A-Sap-Rockees married to Rihanna.

Oh. Whole deal. Are they married or do they just have kids together? There was a shot of Rihanna like playing basketball outside in the streets. Did you see that? Respect. Shooting hoops. After the next one.

What's that? You got to put your mic on there. One of the most. Wrong button. What was that, Jordan? Yeah. One of the most famous people in the world, they didn't show her at Game 4.

Not a single time. They showed every celebrity under the sun. They didn't show Rihanna. Yeah, why didn't they? She was in one of those sweets high up. Is it possible she said, don't show me? I mean, I didn't see her court size, so it's possible they didn't even have a camera.

They didn't show action either. Disrespect. Yeah, I thought it was disrespectful. Jay Z. Jeremy Lent, though. Wait, no love for Weezy? No love for Ludacris? Low Wayne.

I mean, look, I had to pick three. I mean, you want me to pick. Bone thugs in harmony. Boom, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb. Don't tell me what you want. I mean, love bone thugs back in the day. What about Biggie? Love Biggie.

Young Thug. Travis Scott. Yeah, see, those are the new guys. I'm not as into the new guys. Mac Miller? You're not a little loosey vert guy? No, no, no. Mac Miller, respect.

He was incredible. Rest and peace. Okay. Okay. MGK Little tick of a thing No No no no no

No he is a little tick of a thing Would you say Frank 6-9 Yeah you know it 6-9 Sick There's a marquee There's a few Canadian rappers I love Chau Claire

Cardinal official Vanilla Ice Big pun Maestro Fest West Shout out to Big Punt Mike Jones Swisha House Fat Joe

Kendrick Lamar Fans in the house Huge Huge What about this man? Ice Cube. Yeah. Ice Cube. By the way, I have a bone to pick with Ice Cube's son. Pick the bone. I have a bone to pick with Ice Cube's son. Let's pick it. Who's been riding his coattails for quite some time. There I am, loving life on the highest of highs. I mean, I'm just, I can't even describe it. Ephoria, unlike any euphoria that I've ever felt in my life, experience in my life. And I'm not looking at anything. But in the aftermath of it all, I am certain.

I am looking, scrolling, if you will, and it's all positivity. It's all love. And you would expect there'd be some hate. But it was a lot of like, you know what, Ariel, I hate your guts, but I'm happy for you. You know what, Ariel, I don't fucks with you, but I'm happy for you. You know what, Ariel, you brought me along, you introduced me to the next, I'm happy for you. That type of sentiment over and over. It's amazing. Rarely do get that on social media. And there's our supposed friend, O'Shea Jackson, Jr., who writes, Raptors fan, by the way. Fuck.

Like, what is that? What is that? This guy actually, like, we're like, I'm like, what is this? This is like, you expect this from a troll. What is that? I was, you know what? I was hurt by that.

It's got to just be a troll move. Yeah, he texted him on the side, and he acknowledged that. Yeah, he's trolling. I don't, I don't, I'm not happy. You've won a million titles, the Rams, Dodgers. Come on, man. Just be happy for me. What is the genesis of the Raptors thing?

You were like, ah, nice to see Toronto get a chip or something in 2019? The Knicks are irrelevant in 2019. Irrelevant. They're absolutely god-awful. I am from Canada. Yeah, of course I'm going to root for the Raptors over the Sixers. Of course I'm going to root for the Raptors over the Bucks. Of course I'm going to root for the Raptors over the Warriors.

Like, sorry, people, it's fun to root for teams. If my team has not been playing for three months and they were technically eliminated seven months ago, what do you do? What am I going to do? Sit there? Is it more honorable to root for a team when you're betting for them? Or just when you're like, you know what, I'm Canadian? Yeah, I'd like for my fellow Canadians. I have a lot of friends in Toronto to be happy as well.

So, yeah, I was happy for them. I'm not a Raptors fan. I've never been a Raptors fan. I don't wear Raptors merch. When the Raptors came in 1995, I didn't jump ship. I was already a Nick fan. I didn't even consider it. I sort of like kind of didn't like them.

I was annoyed that they got a team and Montreal didn't get a team. So this is insane. A lot of people seem to think I'm from Toronto because they just think of Toronto when they think of Canada. It's a weird thing. Like I get people in the fight game all the time

or like, yeah, so like where in Toronto do you do your show? Never lived in Toronto. And I haven't been in Canada. I haven't lived in Canada since 2001. I've never done this show in Canada. It's a weird thing. So anyway, not a Raptors fan, never was a Raptors fan, certainly did root for them in the summer of 2019.

And you know what the other thing was? I was at ESPN during that run. And I know a lot about the Raptors because I lived in Canada. I was there. I love NBA history. So I remember the first year, Damon Stoddemeier, Jean Tabac, A.C. Earl, John Sally. I can tell you all about Tracy Murray, Alvin Williams. So I know a lot about the history.

So pretty cool. speaking of parades, ESPN asked me to co-host the parade, the live parade coverage on ESPN news from the studio in Bristol when the Raptors won. So it was me, I think it was Jeff Goodman, believe it or not, and it might have been John Butchagross. And I was, and, you know, Kyle Larry is wearing the old school dinosaur, Raptors jersey, Damon Stoddemeier. Jeremy Lynn is there wearing the old school jersey. And so I knew a lot about these people. It was a lot of fun. It was like three hours.

And now here I am seven years later going to a parade. What a life. Oh, so we are going. I mean, you guys kind of bullied me into it, you know? Jeff Goodman, by the way, the college basketball guy was involved? Yeah. Interesting choice. It was either him or I might have done a draft show with him.

I did something with him. You know, I was kind of like working my way up the basketball ladder back then. I am looking at the 2018-19 Knicks right now. They were god-awful. What was their record? I think they had 17 wins. And by the, I think the 2017 team had 17 wins. But maybe it was the, by the way, I didn't.

Coach was that year? Was it Hornacek or not yet? No, no, no. Fisher? Nope. Fisdale. Yeah. Yeah.

That whole like Hornacek, Fisdale, Fisher era kind of bleeds into each other. And it was absolutely, you remember, was it, was it, Mike Miller? He was an interim coach that we were all campaigning. He should get the job because they won 15. games under him. Just to be clear, I never jumped off the bandwagon. The only time I got so mad at the Knicks, when they traded Porzingis for Dennis Smith, Jr., I was in Northern California interviewing D.C., and I was like, why are you doing

this? Porzingis is supposed to be a guy, and you're trading him for Dennis Smith? What is this trade? This is an awful trade, and I was pissed. And then the next day, I was like, all right, right, calm down. I calm down. Two 2018-19-NICs played in the NBA finals. Two-2018-19-NICs played in the-N-A.

This year. Yeah. That season. Okay. Luke Cornett and Mitchell Robinson. Yeah, nailed it. Look at you. Easy.

They were both in the same draft class. Right? They were buds. And there's actually a great picture of the two of them holding jerseys because Cornett was drafted 20th and Mitchell Robinson was drafted 26th and they're holding 20 and 26. And that was a sign. Longest tenured Nick holding the 26. That first fact isn't correct.

They were not in the same draft. Are you sure? Mitchell was drafted in 2018 with Kevin Knox. But everyone said that they were rookies together. Did one of them not play? Cornett was undrafted in the 2017 draft, and then I guess he made his debut probably the next year. No, no, no. There's all these videos of Robinson and Cornett being rookies together.

Am I wrong about that? It's possible because I think Cornett actually was undrafted and started in the G-League. Okay, yes, but... But they weren't the same draft class. What do you mean? The picture, the famous picture of the 20 and the 26. What is that? Oh, no, Knox is holding the 20 and Robinson's holding the 26.

Yeah, no, you're right. You're right. Sorry, no, you've been right this whole time? It's a long day, man. It's a long day. We still got a massive in-studio interview coming up. If you're watching us on, no, I think we're done with those, right? We did it.

He said we'll be right back last time, but... We never came back. I gave the proper sign off when you were getting a big shot. Oh, why? That was the end of... Oh, no one told me that. We'll talk every day. Oh, really?

Wait, we have a heart out? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think Jordan said sign off of the other sports. No, yeah. Serious? Yeah. Listen, I mean, I say things. I say things and he just ignores.

I get it. You want to be correct? It's scheduled television. This is the Ariel Helwine. Wait, so what if I go, what if I say goodbye at like 401? Nothing happens on YouTube. They're already gone. No, no, no, for fast.

No, they're already gone. Wow. Yeah, it'll just literally just cut off. Oh, that's fucking a little. That's fucking a little. So why don't we just do that? Just cut me off, mid-sentence. Alex, what do you think about your neck?

We actually, the sign-off on. Here come the Cooligans. Yeah. Shout out to the Cooligans, bro. Shout out. Killing it in the office this week. A month, World Cup. Chatting it up.

Guy came up to me and was like, I got to say, dude. Cooligans? I've been killing it. Fresh kits all summer. I thought he said kicks. I was like, I'm not even wearing any shit right now. I don't know what you're talking about. I got some plain white shoes on.

and I was like our guy Rick actually he's probably rocking some phone posits right now he's really got the kicks he just stared at me and he was like kits I said kits tea stuff is that your thing by the way

are you just going to wear different kits all month no England when they play I got a couple other ones you know USA of course oh yeah after Friday soccer ruse

oh you have one yeah that's a great one why why do they call it soccer ruse like they call soccer soccer in Australia? That's a great question. I would imagine, yeah, if they're called the soccer ruse.

I feel like USA and Canada gets all the shit, but these dudes over there? Yeah. It's crazy. Is there some PFL breaking news? There's a PFL Charlotte poster I see here. What's going on? Is this an announcement of sorts? They're going to Charlotte, the Queen City, the PFL? There you have it. Is that a little Charlotte Hornets teal there?

Where's the Carolina Panthers blow? You're right. You're right. It's Brian Battle against Dalton Rasta. It's not a bad middleweight fight. Both guys have to get back on track. Both lost on the same card. You know what? What do you think about that poster?

Dig it? It's not bad. I don't like that PFL's doing the thing with the box at the top there. It's a very copying UFC now. A bit, but you got to put the logo somewhere. The fact that they're not doing the box on the bottom, I like. Brought you by Bojangles.

Shout out. That's very local. them. There's a, there used, there was a, um, Roy Nelson fought in Charlotte at the Bo Jango's Coliseum. And the, I think he fought against the Stefan Struve and the lights went out. It was a power failure in the, right during the intros. Was it Stephen's true? Bo Jangles Coliseum. Is that not the place where the, uh, the what's the names play, the Hornets or Bobcats back of the day? No, it was the Time Warner Center or something like that. Wait a second, wait a second, where's it's just Charlotte. I remember watching this. There it is. Stephen.

Struve, March 31st, 2010. What was the main event? Well, what is it? What is Bojangles Coliseum? Who plays there? Small one, 10,000-seat arena. It's originally called, does Charlotte Coliseum?

Oh, that's the original home of the Hornets. Wait, have I been to Bojangle the restaurant? Yeah. I don't know, what is that? It's like a chicken place. They got breakfast, boberry biscuits, chicken biscuits. Is it a South?

thing? Is it like a... Yeah. Okay. Is it good? Oh, I love it. Really? Oh, yeah. It's a great name, Bojangle. Oh, it's so good.

Shout out to Bojangles, man. When you click on it on Wikipedia, the location is in Hiawassey, Georgia. Yeah, shout to Hiawassey. That's where the Bo Jambles arena is? No, it's just the pick. They have a picture of a Bojangles in Hiawasi. My grandma used to have a log cabin in Hiawasi. Really?

Where's that north, south? North Georgia. Mountains. South to Iowa. Is it next to Cobb County? No. I love Cobb County, Georgia. You know who's from Cobb County?

The Big Boss Man. Hailing from Cobb County, Georgia. The Big Boss Man. The Big Boss Man. Is a wrestler. Oh, I thought it was Cody Rose. No. What?

Cody Rose. Is he from Cop County? He's from Georgia. No, I know, but is he from Cobb County? What was the main event for that card, by the way? Any idea? You were in your father's nutsack for this. I'm throwing a blind dart, if I guessed.

I'll give you a hint. Okay. I'll take a hint. One half of the main event was on the broadcast team for the MVP MMA card. Did you watch the MVP MMA card? I was in the arena, so I didn't have commentary. God damn it. I know, but you kind of, yeah, I mean.

John Jones? Kenny Florian? Are you familiar with it? Kenny Florian, of course. Kenny Florian versus... Well, what's the hint for the other story? He's a Japanese fighter. Kenny Florian...

Takenori Gomi. You're not getting that one, right? Yeah, no chance. That's way before my time. I need to go back and do some history left. Yeah, Ross Pearson against Dennis Siever opened the main card. The best part about it was prelims, not televised.

Could you imagine? Couldn't see anything. Just didn't exist. Just didn't exist. You'd have to read about it. You'd have to read the play-by-play on MMA-4. Fighting.com or Sherdog.com or the UG. We're on ground.com.

Well, back in the day, yeah. We were in our father's nuttuck back then. Yushin Okami, Nick Lentz, Glycintz, Glycintybow against Kau Uno, Jacob Vokeman on there, Andre Winner. Incredible. What an amazing time. Legendary garden, Iowaasi, at the Bojangles. Wait, wait, no, it was in Charlotte.

Now you're confusing two things. Incredible gate of $590,000. That was the game. gate. If they had a $590,000 gate for a card that drew 7,700 people today, like it would be DefCon 5. Yeah, yeah. The whole UFC organization would be fired if that happened now.

I wonder, honestly, if they did sub 1 million. When's the last time they did sub 1 million? Obviously, White House card doesn't count. It's been a minute. It's got to be. But I mean, I guess White House, if one person paid for that package, it's over a minute. That's true. I'm still wondering about those ads on the canvas.

Scott's Thurf Builder Plus. Yeah, shout out. Anyway, one more little thingy that we have as far as B-roll is concerned. I guess this is outdated now, but just for kicks. Here's Ian Gary saying that Islam wanted to fight anyone but him. Well, I guess he didn't get his wish. Here's what he has to say. Islam said he'd rather fight Morales because he's underfoot.

Of course he would. Of course he'd rather fight Morales. Because Morales hasn't been anyone in the sport. He said he'd rather fight Kamar Usman. Kamau Ruzman has won two fights in the last 10 he's had. He said he'd rather fight patches, a man who I beat. He'd rather fight anybody except me. I can't wait for this. I think the build-up's going to be great. Of course we know about the longstanding history, the feud between, you know, Dagestan and Ireland. So this is, I guess, Chapter 2. I can't wait for it. I think the build is going to be great. I think Ian's doing a great job with his social media, with the things that he's saying, and I think Islam's going to try to prove a point here. His second fight at Welchway, remember, just won.

First one was back in November against Jack Del and Madelena in New York City. Were you guys talking to me there? Okay, amazing. So that's UFC 330. August 15th in Philadelphia, this past Sunday, we had the UFC at the White House. By now you know, Ily just engaged you in the main event. Cyril Ghan, Alex Pereira, you know what happened there.

And so yesterday I reached out to the team just to, you know, say, I hope you're doing well. And I did get a message back saying, can we come in? Can we pop on? And I said, absolutely. Would love to have you. And so without further ado, let us say hello to Plinyo Cruz and his guy, Poitan, Alex Pereira, the former UFC middleweight and light heavyweight champion. Kind enough to join us.

Thank you so much. Are you, Alan? Thank you. Cineo, please have a seat. I like the jersey. Thank you. It's a good time to be Brazilian right now. And no, right?

They play Friday. Yes, of course. Do you mind I'm going to fix this for you? You've been here before. It's okay? Okay. Yeah, you speak into it. You're comfortable?

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Thank you guys. Thank you so much for coming in. I really, really appreciate it. Alex, can I ask you, how are you feeling? First things first. First, first. First, how are you feeling?

I'm feeling well. Oontain, I did some exams, did Rashiis, resonances, of the host. I didn't have our results, but apparently, I'm okay. I did some CAT scan. This is not the post-five medical that I supposed to do yesterday. I didn't get the results, but I'm feeling good. Do you think there's any serious injuries?

Do you think there's any serious? No, it's have to see the exams, there's There's all the doors, so not to know. Dores in the rost, in the place of the poohads, I think, but I think it's not a great to tell you. I still feel the pain from all those shots, but I don't think it's nothing aggravated, nothing too bad. Okay. I see the medical, the results.

I saw your video that you posted yesterday about the fight, and obviously we are going to talk about it here, but as we sit here on the Wednesday, so three days after the fight, how are you feeling? How is your heart feeling? How is your mind feeling after what transpired on Sunday? He saw the video that you posted on. Then we'll talk about this all. But now, now, you just passed on three days, in your

heart, what you're seeing about the domino? No, poor, there, with all, there, a lot expectation, a great expectative of everyone, of all the fans. It was a show, it was an event, like, was special, the event in the house of brank. Since the training, I've always felt been a guy pesada, many people,

many people, sometimes, say, oh, the guy subed the peso, the person's too, and, always. Always was a little more. Me seemed very in the lute. The first round was I was thinking. And in the second round, was where he connected that

hand, that jab, is where I where I was feeling good on that fight. You know, some people talked about the weight in a summer, I was feeling very good. You know, training was good. And then, first, round I was feeling very good and the second round that's when he connected that jab and started everything.

It seems like you're very upset and I don't blame you by the way but it felt to me from the video that you were upset the type of the type of emotion, the type of mad that we've not seen from you. Is that a fair description of how you're feeling right now?

You seem to be very shatea with what happened for your video that I saw and it's a thing that seems to incommodou much. You're a bit shatioter. Is an affirmation correct? Yes, shatteous, with the situation, by the arbiter, he's there to be there and not

do what he had to have made. Very upset with the situation, especially because the referee to not do the job that he's supposed to have done. So you're upset, you've said this, you're upset about the shots that you say were to the back of your head. And so I'm assuming you've re-watched the fight, yes?

Well, so you're, so you're chatea by the, the gulfs that were taken in the back, in the head, in the nuka, and he believes that you see the lute of the new, correct? Mm-hmm. It's not just for this, but I think me

makes me more shatiot is that I'm that I'm still more of attention, talking, uh, in the renal of regra, yeah, I said,

po, let me talk with the people, I'm going to talk, the person, he called to the can't, he came, he said,

he said, I said, I said, what was my preoccupation, I said, that, the end of the goal,

a drop, back, this can come to be to me, but it's It's a movement. So, we're,

well, at times erra, you know, but the form that he came doing, not only only so in my

life, in my Luton, in the case, Sirio Gany, apical, and he did not have the world,

because, the lot of the fight, the lute down, knock-down, you know, and so, he's always

does this, I see that he's a little, he, de-rept a man, the guy, he,

of a form soge, and it's that's that he made me more a bit of

and the he's not, try not do not do, and the guy

didn't try that responsibility to him saying that the responsibility was

his his was the meeting and he said please, let's go talk to

Herbding and then Herbding came in and I said listen I understand sometimes

in a fight eye pox can happen low blows can happen can happen to his side can happen

to me but this guy has history of shots in the back of the head. So please pay attention to those during that fight because, see, we're going for an example. It seemed that when he fights, he has a record multiple times when that becomes almost like a strategy, you know what I mean? Because, okay, you take a shot, you drop, but then he follows up with those illegal shots.

And what makes Alex more upset is that her being, after we spoke with him, we brought to the attention because I actually remember that he went to he fell to the other referee with the long mustache I forgot his name like Belcherne yes he got my back Belcherine said look okay so just who you understand back at the head his head is here back so he seemed that he absorbed the information

and then the next day seeing everything that he did knowing that we brought to his attention and he did not do his job so Alex upset we see a little bit because of the whole thing especially now we helped him to have done stuff like that and not just tap up to his duty. When you watch the fight, how many times do you think that you were hit illegally in the back of the head?

What is your count? When you assist the lute, how times you think you took gopals illegal in the nukka? Well, there's not to see right. There are many people, I saw, some, some, some, some, people saying that I don't take, that was legal, others were saying that were 10 socos, or others were two socos, but I was, but I'm most there, I've made. a video, there a video, have a photo,

and there's a three, four markers there, uh, of, uh, of the porrasses

, uh, maybe they're getting, I don't think that's more than I'm not going to

pay for that we're talking, but, but, po, po, the person, the, we know,

the sock there's a more more more more more in a local, as a local, like,

Well, many people see different things, right? But like I've even posted a video yesterday. Some people say it's nine. Some people say it's three. Some people say six. Some people say it's 11. Posted a video yesterday showing the marks on the back of my head. At least three or four.

Like he showed pictures. So, yeah. I'm sorry. And just to add to that, because, you know, especially when you're talking about a heavy way fight. Okay. Any weight class that can count. but a heavy way the damage is actually way more escalated because the heavyway fights more power

so it makes a lot of damage to those shots in the back of the head. Do you think he does this and this is the photo right here? This is right after the fight? This was when on the second day? This was Monday after the fight. Okay. Do you think he does this on purpose or do you think he's just a reckless fighter?

You think he's just a reckless fighter? Well, no, no, no, so, no, I don't know if it's just, I think, poor, he's a person, I think, He, he is a man that, I'm for me, I'm there, I'm I'm, I'm, I'm a lot, oh, it's worth, oh, I'm gonna, it's a lot,

the guy, and I'll, go, I'll try to do that blitz, but if the guy's, you're there, but if he's, I'm gonna, I'll find a more moment to, to set a soco legal. But he's just just can't terminate the

little, you, so he, maybe be extinct of him, this, you know? A guy, boy, he, poor, meardous, not to be prepared for five rounds, it's extinct, and then he says, po, I'll go, I'll go to go

and the counter to the arbitrator, you know? So, the arbiter, he's there to be, to see, you know? Well, it's hard to tell. I'm saying me, when I'm on a fight,

and I drop somebody, I take a look, what's going on, and I'll find a way to find my best legal shots. Cyril, it looks like to me that he's just trying to win the fight, maybe because emotionally,

he's not being scared, want to finish the five-round so once he dropped somebody he just tried to find the finish no matter what and just throw on the referee's chest to figure that out you know what I mean that that's bad you know he's he's he that it works you know so he's not going to stop I heard you say that so he hits you with that jab and you refer to it correct me if I'm wrong as a as a lucky jab why do you feel like the initial punch that kind of led to the end of the fight was a quote-unquote lucky jab. He saw when you told that when you took that jab,

you said it was a jab me of sort, like, for what you refer to that goal? You're kind of in the sort, like, I don't want to try the merit of him, understand. I mean, we say, a little bit more chatea-to-cundered, but, no, he me acetka, no, I don't want, to,

in any, to, I'm here, the merit of him, he made. Where I erie, there, that, that, po, that he paces-it-l-l-l, I usually I'd usually I'd try the host there, but in that moment it didn't even

was in the air so he picked, I was entering there so it was a little difficult, I felt the goal, but, boy, the goal of the

sort, it's just, the guy's the guy trained, I don't want to take the merit of maybe, maybe shatiot,

but, merit of him, that job, merit of him. So, I don't want to take nothing away from Cyril on that thing.

I know I say stuff, but I think was just upset to the whole thing about the fight, not only there. And I do not want to say that was a real lucky shot for him. You know, it was a mistake that I did.

Usually I turned my head to the other side. I dodged that punch when I got in, but the way that he caught was with me because my foo was still in the air. Lucky, not lucky, but I don't want to take the credit from him. It was a fair shot from him. Probably to serve for that. But one thing I say,

if not were these gropes in the nukkah, maybe it would, I don't say the result. Ah, I would gain would. I don't know, but it would be different the lute. Maybe it would be more Because with all those Goples, Cotovoled,

the chocleaders, I still could I could get up And when he came I started, I started to attack him even rebutter there

So I think if I don't Tversed that because when I was there back on the leg of him I was kind of

I was maybe he was in a position not very comfortable where he had been more these gulfs, maybe I would I would have been recovered.

And, but one thing I can tell you, if it wasn't for those illegal shots, I think that FICO had been played different, you know what I mean? Because I took all those heavy shots in the back of the head

and I still managed to stand up and still counter his shots and still attack. When I went for that single, like when I went for that sweep that I took those first shots, right? I think maybe if it was not those heavy shots that I took on the back of the head,

I probably would be managed myself to get up or keep the fight going. Could have been the other way, but I believe that I think if it was on those shots, I could have recovered much better from that first jab. There's a lot happening

when you're on the ground there and you're getting hit in the back of the head. Are you thinking to yourself, like what is going on here? This is not correct. This should not be happening. Are you having any type of internal dialogue

or are you just trying to survive at that moment? Much of what happened in those things that you were with the arm. When you started to take those socs in the nukes, that you were

He was just going to the perna of his head, like, poca-o-caron, but this guy was to be back in the nukkah, or if you're trying to survive? No, I was trying to sub-in. At a hour, I never, I never saw. In the hour, I never saw, log. If I'd take the goal, I'd see that the body molless, you, I was feeling. But if I'd have seen, maybe I'd have said, I don't know.

But I don't say nothing, because I don't have seen. Until then, after, then, before, I'd have to see the lute, to see the lute, to, to understand what happened. Well, I'll just try to manage to get up. I'm not even just, there was on the back of the head, of course. I was feeling those shots, right? Like, it was making me weaker, like,

just feeling them. Maybe if I have realized there was on the back of the head, I had stopped and addressed, but, like, I couldn't see what happened. What happened? What, I felt a jab, you, nock-down,

there, put, I, yeah, gludeed on these pern, he just started, uh, and, like, I, I saw that he was battening,

and in no moment, I was, I was, there was a mollessed was, it was even, it was to be, in the cuttuveled in the nuka.

There was an mollecida, but I just got up and I went and I went subbing, I was subbing, and I was subpoena, I was going to see all,

I saw, but, like, the body didn't reactia in the same form. And just for the record, I was able to

see everything that was going on. After the knock down with the jab, I had his legs on my hand and I started feeling those shots,

but I could see that I was getting hit. I just couldn't see I was getting hit to the back of my head. So when do you realize, is it immediately

Afterwards, in the back, when you get to the hotel, when do you realize that you were apparently hit illegally? When you were to see the first thing, that you took a goal of a mode apparently illegal, was in the hotel, was then the last month, was on the day next. When you saw the image, when I saw the first images, it was clear. When I see the first images,

was fair, right in front of me, it was clear. Can I ask you, Plinyo, you're in the corner. So when you're seeing this, I noted, while watching, I tweeted, seemed like there was a lot of shots at the back of the head there. Your cage side, what are you seeing when this is happening?

Up on my feet, 10 feet away from Herb Dean, screaming, watch the shots on the back of the head. Because I spoke with him the day before, watch, looking at his eyes and saying, translated for this guy and reinforcing to watch the job

that this guy do sometimes. I'm not taking nothing from zero. Like Alex say, could be desperate, could not be desperate. I don't want to call him a dirty cheater, whatever the case people have been calling him.

Talk about Herb Dean, it makes me really upset because it's almost like he was listening to what I was saying to him, but I think he was just a little too scared to call it out a fight like that and give him a break because he was being like a pussy because it was a White House fight. You know what I mean? Because he got me very frustrated. I stood up from the corner and then I started screaming, say, bro, look at the back of the head. Because it was not like a two-second thing. It was flowing and going for quite a few seconds for him to realize the mistakes. He said, for me, with all the respect,

that I was in the pen, on corny, and I, your side of the other day before, and I, told him to pass up with you, me, me, made sure more frustrated to me, man, he was one, he was like, man, he was gonna, he was listening to all that I was talking to him, and I was saying,

and I was gonna be able to be in the house-branca. Yeah, it's that it, right? Accerted the jab, sentie, the guy comes, there, down, the, where, where not, where not, where not is permitted,

it's difficult, like I said it's difficult a arbiter to pick and say, no, poe, you have to par here, take a point or or stop, let the guy

get a lot of five minutes, because it's in the regra but the guy don't want to do this, he doesn't

assume this responsibility. If there's a regra, if the arbite is there is the error, what the people

will say? Maybe the fans the fans are the fans are the fans of the fans of the car and the person who

the guy the arm eargid, but the art the arp't he took the jab, took those shots, his job is to stop the fight, to take a point, right?

And then do a week because, oh, it's in the White House. It doesn't matter. The fan is going to see that it's correct to do, to stop that thing because it's wrong, right? Did Herb Dean say anything to you or to you about this? Like, did you confront him afterwards? Did you see him in the cage? Did you say anything to him? Did he say anything to you?

Anything like that? Oh, Rob Dean, came to talk with me, and you, he went to try to explain something, for me, he's, no, he said him.

Did you see him? No. Okay. Botta, like Alderin, said, no, no Apex, everyone is brave to party a lute,

not, when I came in a house a black. Yeah, no. Like Gilbert Burns say, on the Apex, everybody's a badass to be calling fights, standing up fights,

stopped and taking place, but I think, but I think, that not the house because, there are other rules too, that not was in a

It's the error of the Arbor, and nobody co-bra. I'm here, I'm here, po, it's, oh, I'm going to go back, uh, result. I just think that I have to be alerting what is happening, uh, I

think I have a voice for this, to do this, you know, before that happens, I'm, like in the box, it happened, I posted a video there, uh, of a guy who took a hook and, and he got there, uh, there

sequels. So I just I'm just going to tomorrow my children are fighting, there are other fighters also that maybe don't have

to say, and I'm here we have to be a need and then you know, and if something something

like this of the box this will surjar the image of the MMA, car, of the sport,

I'm just I'm trying to evita something, the things are happening and people don't know

when this happened when this God, He was in a risk there, has happened something, and thanks a

God, no happened to know, I'm I'm going to but I'm able to get a lot,

I'm going to get some more grave. So Alex don't even think that it's just because the White House he thinks

actually an ongoing behavior from Herb Dean. It's something that's a story of the proper arbiter in

in the person that has this tendency. Because he had this tendency is not the first time that he

screwed things up like this. And Alex 's being the voice right now because he post the video of the boxer that took the shots back of the head was like done, right?

Because we got to step up and put our voice out there for the sports because thank God Alex is safe, but he could not be safe. His kids be fighting that, you know, in the future. Other fighters are going to be fighting the future. And if we don't express and don't put it out there, we're never going to see a change. Because God forbid something much worse could happen. And if it does happen, it's going to really burn the image of mixed marks. Marshall Arts. Who's assuming is the commission, man,

the habit is there, you're there, understand, it's a little thing, there's a point,

don't, come, come, come, put, if it would be a, one way,

and, nobody, nobody, didn't know, people, people, protested, it,

unfortunately, it, but, some, some, some, some, I'm,

I'm, I'm insisting, I'm talking, and I'm insisting, to take an attitude,

because then it will be the commission, because we're advising, and then it's going to have

to assume, it will be the commission. No, it's not be the arbitration, no the arbiter, not be the

commission is the one's going to be blamed for this because it's not only Alex, many people being addressed in this behavior with her dealing

with the illegal shots and nobody's doing nothing about. So at the end of the day, they might blame her but the commission is being commissions are seeing what's going on,

they still choose to pick the referee, still choose to, not do nothing. So Alex is just stepping up to speak like all the ones are doing that this got to change.

When you found out that it was Herb Dean refting your fight, did you have concerns? Did you talk among the team and say, hey, maybe we should because there was once a time Brock Lesnar said,

I don't want Steve Mazagati reffing my fights because he stopped my fight against Frank Mirr, UFC 81. Did you guys talk about this beforehand? A we talked about this beforehand. I'll talk about him. I'll give you a UFC 200.

I was the UFC 200? Eighty-one? That he said that he don't want him. You see Eighty-one, Steve Mazatine, and the next time U.S.C. 100, he said, I don't want him, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And in UFC-181, Steve Mazagarin, paroled a lot of his little bit with Frank Mears.

Then, in the UFC 100, Brogles said, he said, he said, this guy, no care in my lute-n't-trable. And he no trouble? A guy, came to be worried, or did he ever before the war or not? No, before the lute or not. But, like, we don't think,

we don't think it, you know? But when it happens, then we have to take an attitude. That's what happened. Well, none of us, because it didn't affect us at any point first. You know what I didn't know about this whole thing, but of course, after it happened, we had to... I just wanted to... I just wanted to...

...fisces... ...notice the same thing I did. Ah, not agreed. I'm going to look... Bealeas, it happened. I don't want to move a result. I don't want to do anything, you know? But I just want to incentivize the people

that can't do something, you know? If everyone, uh, we're, a we can't get a lot, you know, because this is just

me to motivate and boost people because we are, if we all get together and speak up, we can make a change because this is wrong. I'm not here to try to overturn and change the result of my fight.

I lost the fights. But I'm here to advocate and to also boost people because something got to be made this cannot keep going. I'm, I expected, I,

I expected, I, this attitude, you know, but if the other people use this as a example

like, oh, it's not what I'm, I'm going to expect, because at least it's not

time, at times, sometimes you never come. I waited to this happen with me to take action, but I hope

people don't wait to happen to themselves. They just use Alex as an example and say, this happens to Portan,

let's all take action so this doesn't happen to none of us, it doesn't happen again. And so what is the action that you are seeking, what you want

to change? What is, what the attitude, of what is the result that you want that you're looking with this? For example,

what happens? Something is a thing. It's a commission. She has to say it, you know, to puny, have to puny

to some form, because what happens? If now not happen, it's a same thing, it's a same thing, it's a problem

when you're going to when you know, when you know, no discounted the salary, no does it, it's difficult you know,

but when you have a penalty there, no, I'll you'll give a ganch here to three days. And when you

do a ganch three days, are three days of fault. So you don't not will receive for these days. And things

of the type, you know, or even to be gone to be these are the punishions. And then, maybe this

would, maybe this mood, because the people who will enter, but why, why that's why this

came back, because it's this, this, so in the when the way, the car,

is batting in the case, doing a little, the guy, the person, what the organization, what the

commission will say, what the commission, will be They don't want to say nothing, and not can't say anything, but they'll say it's a lot. At the end of the day, some type

of penalty or punishment got to be done by the commission. Because if it doesn't do anything like there, nobody's going to change. We can just not let this fly out like that. It's just like on a regular job. You mess up. They give you a war and you mess up. The third time you know what I mean, you get punished. Like you lose your job,

you got to pay a fine, something is done. So the next person who comes working on that job, when they happens, not going to do the same. If something happens to her dene now, the commission takes action and just punish him the way that he's supposed to, like, do anything for this to stop. I guarantee for either the next guy, when he's on a situation, it looks somebody getting hit with the back of the head shots, he's going to stop that thing right away because he's don't want to take the same heat that the other guy did.

We had Andy Foster, who's the head of the California State Athletic Commission, who was also overseeing this event in studio, like three hours ago before you guys came in. And I asked them all about this, and he said they, they said they, looked at it after, he spoke to Herb, and he feels that because there was so much movement, it's impossible to stop and say, oh, this one, there's movement, so this is part of the sport. He didn't feel like there was any sort of illegal activity, nothing that warranted the fight ending or being stopped in that moment. He talked about this being the back of the head, if touching the ear, it's okay, all this stuff. To hear that they don't feel like anything

wrong was done, what is your reaction to that? The chief of the commission of California, who was the only charge of this event? Yeah, because it was in D.C. There was no commission. He was going to create something.

Yes, yes. Because of this event, as Washington has a lot, not there have the commissions, they've put the best of each commission. But the president of this commission is the guy of California. He was here in the studio

three hours after. And the Ariel made a question to him, how he thought the situation. He said, because he had much a lot of the same time, Oh,

he's set it out of the flow he said, he said, he said, that's a situation that he had to be what you

think he said he said, so what do you do that? No, it's not a trocalation, because there

much a movement of the the other the guy, he don't go, he don't start a the other

man, not because he had a movement of the so, for me not argument. So why

there's even a referee then? Because if he's like that, the guys on the floor, he takes an

I poke over there, half of the thing inside the guy's eye, he goes up, I was on the floor, wasn't doing the move, I cannot stop. That's not an argument. Who said, who said the chief of the commission of California, that was the guy who's talking about the event. Yeah, it's about it. It's just for there. If the guy doesn't, it's never, it's going to move. The mistake started like that already. See if a guy

at that type of job, the head of the thing, things like that, nothing's going to change. I'm just here to avoid a tragedy it's all this we see happening the things

you know will be happening to happen to take a attitude I'm just here to avoid a bigger tragedy if nobody takes action

something worse can happen with these people we gotta I don't I'm here the last I'm sorry

I'm sorry I'm I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna can't even I'm gonna can't

I'm gonna I'm gonna just I'm just a tragedy. The person, I'm not saying, but nobody's doing the

eyeing to hear of the when they're going to who's the arbitro? Then they're going to

call the to assume the responsibility? Poe, the commission, she has to take an attitude, poe.

I'm not here to change the result of my fight. I lost that fight. I'm here to speak up that something

got to be changed. Once something bigger, a bigger tragedy, somebody like, get hurt permanently happens. What are they

going to do? They're going to blame it on the referee? No, that's the commission the commission got to take action, you got to do something about this.

So you will not appeal this result? You're not trying to change the result. You're not trying to change the result? No. For me, no, it doesn't make sense. To me, it's not true. If he's a champion, okay. It doesn't make sense to appeal.

If he feels the champ, let him be the champion. Just you want to add from the previous answer also, he said that he always, things happen to him and he always came back stronger from bad results. Where I want to my revenge. It's what I want. This is my focus. maintaining the

heavy to have my revenge my opportunity and show that I can't get a

game playing the limbo not being being professional is that people

want to they're not they don't see trapass the people

trapass it all that I want is a rematch to be able to fight fair to fight square

to fight clean to go over there and show people that's what people want to see people

don't want to see cheating Vey, the, my, the way, I was in a bit of

but you can't see that I'm looking for trying to be going to be going to get to get a little,

he was in putting a bit, put it's a bit of back to get a cartelade to the right but I

don't do you know, I didn't get in the pantorhabila to get to the to he had

he'd then when I went to when I went I defended I defended the yeah I was

I mean, I started the cutovirada there, po, do the last of the o'rele of his, where it's not here, you know, you can't see my contoveloverer is here, oh, is here, not, you know, the syrulyne in a position of that, boy, he's not going to be able to this, boy.

What will have to be able to happen to beattitude, what will have to happen? If you watch my file on Kalave, the way that was in the ground and pound was super clean. I hit elbows on the head, on the guard, and when I saw that he was fully covered, I start elbowing the legs for him to open the face.

Everything clean. Look at my fire each year. I stuff a take down. And every shot that I did, I even had to put the elbow side to hit on the side. But now what we're going to do? We're going to wait until you end up killing somebody, so we take action? Well, the people are there, many people, I've got my money, you know, I've got my money, you know, I'm looking I love to.

I'm not there for money. I'm not there for money. So, poor, I'm there, have to have protection. And I don't' I don't see this, man. This has to move.

This has to move. I already made my money. I don't fight my money. I fight because I like. But this got to change. Like, people got to be safe.

People got to be protected and they're not. This got to change. Do you feel like you've been, you know, because I got to be honest, we've talked to you after the Izzy fight,

the Ancalaia fight, fights that you lost, and I've never seen you so upset before. You obviously feel like you were wrong, but all the So there was history at stake here.

You were going to become the first man to hold a title in three different weight classes. Do you feel like you've been robbed of a moment that would have, you know, set you apart, that would have made you one of the all-time greats? Is that part of the reason why you're so upset? Well, I've seen you, before you, put it by the bonkalaim, but never, you've been, so chatea, in this sense. You think part of this also is that you think that you were robbed, the moment of your, I'd put a third centuron into the grand of all the time?

I don't think in this but I don't think in this but seeing all with everything with sure

it's also it's a little to be a bit of because I was looking at

the look I was I was I'm sure some some people say

I'm know I'm I'm a right I'm a I have to have to

make a put a second round you know the blitz that the guy did

there, I can't see that the guy not not quite, if this happens in the

last round no, no, the final of the final of the second round? Or the

first, or the second round, if he does not survive there, no, it's just

muscle and all, but this guy, this guy no has a car, this guy,

he's, he's just he just he just most in other luthas, I had all the

opportunity, but me at I feel a little upset. I didn't really thought about that on that side too, but like, honestly, the way that the fight was going, people said that I got tired. No, I do not. I open my mouth on the corner, but like, because I do my own breathing exercise to recover, but everything was fine. And, Cyril, the way, you can see the way that he was guessing after that the fight was over, like, if Alex had the chance to survive, he felt that, like, if that was, like, round one or even on the end of the second round, Cyril not survived on the fight because he does not have hearts. You could see it on his eyes. And Alex Fielded that he got robbed on that moments. Look, he came a lot.

Oh, I don't commemorate. He didn't want to commemorate, man. He did all right, he, he did all right. He had to set those gopies there, because he knew me prejudicca. You see, the people like, oh, Sirius laying down because he was celebrated, no, he was that tired.

That's why he really had to hit him with those shots, so he could handle that. Have you or your team asked the UFC for a rematch yet? Yes, we did. Yes, we did. And what did they say? What did they say? He said, it was going to return to the night of the

then the event, it had been to terminate there, so they didn't have, no, didn't have plans yet. They're going to get back to us, because at the same time, there was on the night of the fight, we understand that the UFC

had to go all over to make this event took a lot from them. So they're going to get back to us. We're going to sit down and talk, and then we're going to see what's next. Do you think you'll get it? Do you think you'll get it? I don't know. I don't know. I'll make it clear.

I mean, I don't know I don't have control of all. We know, the organization is who manda. But I'll be there to present the service. If they bring this revenge, I'm going to be very happy with this. I'll thank you, I'm going to thank you. I'm going to thank you. But if not

it's not certain they have the motive of their is that is not in my control

I got to see what they have planned right I want the rematch but if they come to me

at the end of the day I work I'm happy to working for them and if they come and say that they don't want to rematch

you know what I mean it is what it is and then we see what's next I just I just wanted like see what happened

what happened who Who I'm also, I'm not there, I'm not there at all, you know, and everything what happened in the lute, was being a lot

legal, the fight would start to unlegal, there were the little bit of so, I've got all all this,

you know, and I had conditions, not something, if they, if they, there's, there's,

there's, for what, for a revanch, you know, but no, I'm most I'm not, I'm just,

with my historical, and there on the Octog No Day. All that we want from the UFC is an extra

attention and consideration of the fight was starting to pick up, you know what I mean, and the illegal shots and everything they played on their nights, and plus with the history of achievements and Alex have, and plus the way, like, it's not that he got dominated from the first bell. So the fight was just early starting to pick up. So we want some attention from then we'll see there.

If they don't give you a rematch, are you going to stay at heavyweight? Do you think you'll have a revancho, it's going to be a heavyweight? Do you think the rest of your career in the UFC will be at heavyweight now? Sear you have your career in the UFC will be in a heavyweight now? I believe that's in, I think, yeah. I'm, I'm trying to re-vanche, let's see, how they've got to return to us to us, I want what they have to say to take,

but what I want to make a piece of peser. I believe so. Let's see how things play out, but I believe so, and let's see. in a few days when we talked to the UFC, so we did they have for us, but we plan to stay at heavy weight. How did your body feel out there? There was obviously a lot of talk about how you looked

and all that stuff. First time fighting at heavy weight. How did you feel out there with the extra weight? People say, how did you feel you in the peso pesoh? In the world, in general, how you're feeling? Me sent me well,

there's really, I didn't sit there in the banquino. I'm, I'm in pay there, and I'm feeling. I'm feeling well. It's for that I want to be there. I felt really good. You could see, not even sad on that two between rounds, I just stay standing up. So, I think I feel so good that I, that's why I want a rematch. I was feeling good.

If I was feeling good. If I had some type of doubt, if I didn't feel good, if I didn't feel like in revenge here, no, car. For what I'm, po, if I'm not, for me sent me Why I'm going to risk to do not I'm feeling well, and I'm saying I'm asking for a rematch.

I'm asking for the rematch because I felt good and that's what I want. Do you have any idea how much you weighed on the night of the fight? You have no sense of when you're

on the leg of the lute? I don't know, but it was a little less levy, I don't but I'm not too much but I was a little lighter

but I didn't really weigh myself I was feeling lighter so I don't know Probably 110, 112 kilos. Maybe 245-ish, something like that. Like 1111, 112KKs. It must have felt great not to cut weight, right? It must have been amazing.

That's been good for you for a damn. No, with me, I've got to cut a peso. No, absolutely. I love that. You've been hit by middle weights. You've been hit by light heavy weights. Can you say it's different getting hit by a heavyweight? Does it feel different?

You took a sogo of medium, of a me of a mehsad, you can say that to take a soco is a different? Well, the goal

I don't have a deco this for me was the worst soco, that I was the worst I'm not,

I don't know because I got hit by Israel Adesania and I wasn't conscious, so that was the worst

punch that I took. So, many people said, uh, uh, the Alex, po,

no, he, oh, he, he came with a jab, po, it was

That's people, people, because, you know, po, never looked. And at least, oh, but I've but I've got done that level, you know,

don't know I'm gonna' put on a pisada, there, was, it was, so it's different, maybe the people

don't know but I know how it and some people, and some people who can say bad,

just see the oh, no, but I'm, the, but the poxed, that not were illegal, that I absorbed very and I didn't apag in any moment,

I was seeing all, I was not able to respond because, well, the body was, but I was, but I was castigated, but I didn't, so I didn't, so I didn't,

so I, maybe I had a little of this because it was a, it was a, different, that I never had had lutted, no, no, the training, no,

the lovina, the, you, the guys, go and the guys, go and, you, it's, you, go, and,

maybe I had a little this and I just I don't have more I'm a so a so

haters keep saying oh I got dropped with a jab I cannot take a punch but they

don't see that my my foora was in the and I was walking into him so I basically walk into that

jab right but they don't say all those illegal shots that I took plus the shot standing up and I was

never out I was still on my feet I just couldn't respond because I was getting hits

like of course takes at all but honestly even though I had questions too before because when

you train and even with the heavyweights you're not with the little glove and full power but now after this fight I definitely feel I am a heavyweight John Jones posted a video right after and it seemed as though he was sort of celebrating your loss that's my impression he didn't say anything but that's what it seemed like what was your reaction when you saw that

John Jones posted a video after the last year that impression that he was commemorating his death what you have to say to It was what I felt, too, because I just I just, like I said in the video, I don't I don't understand, because he did this, maybe, uh, maybe the ego, I feel better, you know, because the people

say, who's the better, to Aten, the John Jones, I think the guy, he absorbed this, you, and he he wanted to prove to him, that he was the better, and okay, I, then he could prove, but I never did a provocation with him. It's,

well, everyone knows that for a the person is there, what he passes, preparation, to get to get,

to be able, and not to get, it's a little, so he's a little, so he know, so he know that's a

moment and when he was in a moment of a time, I gave force for him, but he

not did that's what I felt too, to be honest on that moment because maybe it's a

little bit of ego because people started to question and asking who was the best me or him. But I never talked bad about him, you know what I mean? Like on that moment, that's what he shows because it's very sad for when you lose and you're working for a great moment and you lose and people go into this thing. I never did this to him much the contrary. And when he was down, when people were bashing him, I just gave him strength. I think he had a competition within him, you know, for him.

to see, for the who I want the people were the people were people I always said,

I always thought, I'm through the discussions. If the people consider it the

better, okay, I'm feel like, I'm not in the way, okay, too,

in the same way. I think he had a competition inside his own mind because people were saying, like, who's the

gold, who's not the gold. Me, man, I always say composed. People say, oh, but like,

you know, this guys, but look everything that you achieved. Like, you're the greatest. And Alex,

he could just say, yes, I am, but he never say, like look doesn't matter whatever you know I I always said when I

said Anderson Silva John Jones there are other supporters but it's what I'm what I so I know and I said defences of Centuron this is the most difficult I think it's the most difficult the lot of I have the records

I don't want to take those my merits but one thing that I admire much is the defense of the centuron and he did and I always said this always I always made clear I never I never wanted to show that I'm better, I'm better, I'm worse than him.

Like, I really respect like Anderson, Silva, him, and many others too that I don't even have to mention. But I always spoke that, for me, the hardest thing to do is tired of defense and those guys did that. But I never wouldn't, never exposed, like, oh, I'm better than this guy,

better than that guy. I always respect what they done. If he had this doubt, he, now he's he's the better. If he had the doubt inside of him,

props for him, now he knows he's the best. Does this make you want to fight him? Is this does you want to fight with him? No, what does, the my

is, you know, to be there's living no important, for who are, if I want to look with a guy who, don't know

a rank, I'm, I'm going to be with all the good good that I'm going to, if I,

I'm going to get a a lute, car, for me is a Because at least we're We're going to fight, then we're going to

with a rankyado or the guy who's that's ranked or the guy that's not in a Ranking there, so maybe it's a lot of

the fight. No, my biggest challenge is the fights. I just want to fight whoever they put in front of me. I don't want to get caught up like, oh, like, you gotta fight this guy.

Sometimes you're fighting a guy that is just on the rank he can be even harder than fighting for a championship, so I just want to fight. Well, if you don't get the rematch against Surrogon, what about

Josh Hokkaid, because he's really coming after you. All week, he was trying to pick a fight with you, press conference, talking about you after his fight, talking about you, press conference, talking about you, would that be of interest to you? If you don't get the rematch, what you clearly want next, would it be of interest to fight Josh Hokkaid and potentially

shut him up? If you could not give this revenge, you'd like to look with Josh Hokka, the week entire of the lute, he said, he said, he provocating, did all you do, do you provocating, did do you? Is, a real look that you interest?

Yeah, for me no important, from I said, since the initial, my contract is signed who the UFC want to put upc-gird, I'll look out and I don't go and I'll choose. You can't put it can't want to be

me. It doesn't matter to me. My contract is signed with the UFC. Whoever they put to fight me, I'm going to fight. When he says things about your mother, does it make you feel any sort of different way? Does it make it more personal? He mentioned your mother in the cage.

When he said a question about your mom, is a thing that a little more personal, that he mentioned even your mother in the

case that that's a thing that's a little bit more I'm a little. I think I'm a man so I'm

a man who's really, if this is me took the center, I know, I'd have been made

a beste' poe, nobody was in me, you know, there had moments that I were there

there, that like, the security me and the guy was passing, poe,

I'm trying, I'm I'm still, I'm too, I'm intelligent, but I don't want to use my intelligence for this, to me expose with a guy that, poor, no, it would be able to be a bobeer,

disfarcered, poor, I'd say there, put a bickuda, met her chute, met her voodora, you know, to give a tap in the car, if I wanted, if I'd do this, if I'd, if I'd, if he'd ever, if I'd have an opportunity, that I'd, maybe, don't, I'd have certain that he'd do, to be pro-mover, but I don't need this.

No, I don't know how to keep my cool, keep my mind in a cool spot, I'm not the type of guy. I had opportunities, like people talk about the press conference. Nobody was really on top of me over there. If I wanted to, I could have just stand up, slap him on the face, kick him in the head, doing whatever I want. But I don't know how to keep my cool.

For sure, if he was in my situation, he probably tried to do something like that. So right now for you, it's more about, I would imagine, not even the belt or the history or anything like that, you just want to write the wrong in surreal. That's the main thing on your mind. This is bothering you more so than. any other fight that you've had or loss that you've had. Is that fair? So,

now, you can say that for you, not over the Cinturon, not. If I want to fight with Cereo, again, because, perhaps it's one of the things that you've got more, you've got more than others that you've ever. No, with what I want. Loshk. I want me to turn a champion.

It's what I want to, if I'm in a category, if I'm from medd, I'm going to be a champion. Me too, I'm a little, I'm a piece of peserousous, I want to be a champion. And the focus is he, because he's there in the same, you know?

And, man, I, as I said, I was well in the Lutra. Some people say, oh, poor, I was doing a lot, I was doing a lecture, I was in good, was he was trying to do. He was doing those p'clock there, but was

a lot of time I would find my moment. Everyone knows my style of of my style of Luton. But, poor, the people just always leave to a side, I know, a lot negative. Absolutely, I want to fight him.

But at the same time, I'm there to be a champion, right? He's the guy who's up there right now. So that's the guy that I won. I became middleweight champ. I'm a heavyweight champ. Now I want to be a heavyweight champ. And I know that fight could have gone

a different way because you guys know how I fight. I was just getting started, just starting to fight in my groove. You know what I was doing a good fight? By the way, did you watch Josh's fight against Derek Lewis? Yeah, we saw. What did you think of his performance? What did you think of his performance? He got him.

He got him. The two guys were very quick, So I see many things that favorice him He won, but both got really tired No, I mean, so Alex saw a bunch of things that will play in favor for him

Did you have any other interactions with him? We saw the one where he was yelling at you and all that But were there any other interactions that weren't filmed You've ever had another interaction with him For that we saw in the screen, he didn't get in? No. No. What did you think about the event?

You know, there was a lot that happened there was a little bit of a delay. The experience of being on this card, did you enjoy it? Obviously, the fight was different and I know you're upset, but leading up to that point where you enjoying the process of, you know, the way-ins, the press conference, the outdoors, all the different special things about it.

Let me put on the other than that. You know, this is a event that's not going to there. A peshage, a press conference, a event in a whole, a experience legal for you? No, for me, just, just take this part, maybe other athletes, maybe there's some

something to reclimate. I think that just the the, some of the other than some error of some

or something, something, something, but the event, I don't, I don't see, I don't see

some some atlety that was participating, reclaming, or critiquing. Maybe you say to me

here now, there's a there was there who said, I never would be that the

person would be because it's because it's everything. No, man, to be honest, like, it was just bad on my fight, on that moment, especially the referee,

but put that aside, man, it was a perfect event. Everything was super nice. I cannot even picture another guy that was on the card coming and complaining. Like, if you go and say, yeah, but this guy says something about the event, I'll be surprised,

because for me it was a perfect event. That walkout was unbelievable. The entry was inacredable. It was a thing that I never will forget out there, from the fundes there,

there was there was out of the corridor where there had the the of the president

that was behind the pastes so passing there by that that was there then there

there was there with that with that the door there was I'd

then I'd pass over the side over the second there there

I'd go to another other other with with the

security with the where the two I don't know, but I was two people important there. It was, I'm accompanied, I'd go to the other commoom, I went to the other comado, I went,

in the direction of the sacada, in the Casa Branca, and there, like, I, I felt very well, you know, that show, that, it was for me, I, I mean, I was just, was very, very irred, really, in that sacada, I went there, all the back,

the octagon, there, there in the water, I did a fire and flea, you know, po, I saw the fogs there, boy, it was gonna be be marked for the story. Decees the escalades

there, went in direction of octagon, complimented, the two people that were on my side there, boy, we did, the, the check-in

to enter to the octagon, and, po, it was all perfect. Everything perfect, starting for me to walking out out of the office,

through all the picture of the presidents, then making a left over there, going inside, and then the first responded to the matter of honor, because Alex is not too tuned up on this kind of things, but was very good. Going to the hallway, all those veterans over there, then coming upstairs, and that view of the cage from there is amazing on the balcony,

shooting his bow and arrow, walking through that crowd, saying goodbye to those metal of honor guys, and then getting checked in, getting to the cage, everything was perfect. I felt the event was made for me. Did you allow yourself to look around and enjoy it,

or are you only enjoying it after the fact were you so locked in that you didn't even realize how special it was? You were so focused there that you didn't even continue that there at all right? No, I saw there to go to the sacada there. When I came to the sacada there, I, like, I, like, I saw many people, but I don't can't see details,

so, when I was out of saying, I was in, I saw that there fogs there, I saw the fogs, but I didn't see, I saw, I saw in the filmage, but I saw there

was a clarion, I was just focused, but I was then I got there I didn't see any nothing, I was very focused, I saw,

there was people, but... At that moment, then you could just see more in the house, Yeah, up to that moment that I went on the

balcony, shot the bow and error, and the fireworks came in, I was still going, but as I started, going down the steps and getting to the cage, I was just locked in. But I was able to see later on TV. Did you happen to see, I don't know if you did, or maybe you did as well, there's footage, there's the G7 summit in France right now with all the world leaders, and they're all sitting

around, Donald Trump, the president of France, other leaders talking about your fight. They're all the most powerful people in the world sitting around talking about your fight, sort of like how we talk about the fights, you know, eating lunch here before the show. I'm wondering if you saw that. For me, it was surreal, and I was curious if you saw it and if you reacted to it. I saw that. I think, I think. That was a Monday the Trump was there, I think. Yeah, yeah.

In the second day, the day, after the war, Trump, was there in France, in the encounter, the major leaders of the world, the president of all the president, all conversing of the event, talking to your lute. You have to see it before. And the legal, that he was talking, like if we were three out of over, coming a hamburger, there. So, all over the event, the impact that he was, you know,

and talking about the law of you. Crazy. Locoor. Did you see it? No, I don't have he saw yet. No, no, no. No, no show him. They're just sitting around like they're at the bar talking about fights.

On the table. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, like, said, oh, FECO on, you, talk, did you, talk, about, Dana White, and, about you, about the event. Oh, well, right. The most of the president,

there, no, the president, he, he knows that he knew, and he knows what he did, what he did, was something greatios, so, so, he was there was with what he was, He was very much he proposional, for the luthers, for the sport, for the fan of MMA,

he propostom he said that he did something so he was there and he was always, and all the people were saying with him, with him, with, for sure, well, paris, never saw this, and, poe, it was really, our president was feeling proud of it there because everybody knows the gigantic, beautiful event that he threw, you know what I mean?

So I think it was just something that just is very good for the sport and good for everybody, because for sure, he knew, He felt good at everybody giving props and everybody respecting the event that he put on in America. Okay, so I want to ask you just a few more things and then I'll let you go. Number one, will you ask to never have Herb Dean ref one of your fights in the future? First, the last questions. You're going to pay for never, Reefedin, Sejuice.

For sure, 100%. 100%. What would you like to see done to Herb Dean? What kind of punishment do you think he should receive? What punition you think he should receive? I don't know I don't know he has to do

something different I don't know I think the time of his time of his yeah yeah

this is a company a company a company a time a time he's not he's not

he's not the he doesn't he's like he's like maybe for love but

he's putting the life of the other in risk and I don't I don't

something got to be done but one thing I tell I think his time is up I think he

already did enough. And just like on a regular 9-05, on a regular business. He's been there for too long already, and now he's starting to mess up. And maybe he doesn't be there anymore, something got to be done so people doesn't end up getting hurt because of him.

I don't know, I'm saying, like, something, like, absurd, you know? Poe, I'm talking to find out of lives there, you know? There are, the two athletes, and there are the arbitra to look at all this. He's responsible,

but he not not can't do for the cause of the result can't move,

the situation the guy is there and the point, then the other revertere, the problem

of the guy who was the bad-the- problem, the abtto jogg for the athlete,

poe, you know, you said you said, you know, you know, but when the the

athlete, know, that's, that this is that, this is this is a b'

he's, poor, this is more response for the habit to par, I know

he's will be able to be and I'll be be a champion and I will say back here victorious. What's the important for an athlete is that

is going to the victory. I did another day I'm not being unreasonable because something got to be done because for an example

now if something is not done like if let's say that was a punishment the guy go over there Herb stops that fights take a point or whatever

the guy's going to complain but he should have going to say you knew you're not supposed to do this and you still done it but now when nothing is done, the guy's going to go in Noah.

I'm just going to do what I got to do because he's not going to stop this fight. So, and then I'll do whatever it takes to become a champion. One thing I'll guarantee, he no, he no, he no arbitra more my lute, more my lute, no, this there is 100%. Because I have a decision for this. In some form, I have a decision for this. In some form, he not, he not, he not will be together with me. I guarantee this, 100%.

One thing I'm going to tell. You know, somehow I have the power to do that. He'll never be around me or referee a fire on me anymore. Wow. That is for sure. You would like to see him stop refereeing. You think that he has made too many mistakes now? You think he has made too many mistakes now?

Yes, I think he should be able to do things. I'm talking to lives. No, po, no, no, no. It passed more one. Ah, no, he passed more one. It's batting on the trave. When it happens, what will happen? What's going to happen?

Well, beleas, now he's not nothing. Then, then the next one other person, or with me, or with, or who, it happens to something that's

that, for the media, go, to be a cup, and it will be he, and will be it, and will be he, they're going to

take an attitude, you know? I think so, because we are talking about lives, right? Until somebody get permanently hurts or something really bad

and goes all over the media, and then it's going to take it all the blame. I would imagine for your sister too, like you don't want him refereeing her fights or anything like that, right? And for Alina, too, if he doesn't be able to her in her life, no. Yeah, she'll be able to do it.

I don't want to decide, but I don't possibly, what happens? In my life, I have control. I can't say that I don't care this car and not go, and not will. But, like, in the lute of her, I don't possibly, I don't possibly to you can't

she's all right, she's like to work, and I'll say, oh, so, you know, you're not going to look at work, you know, po, you're getting the money of her, she's growing, so how I'm going to, I'm not going to

do this. It's a risk? Yeah, but the decision is of her, she's going to what's going to be going to be. So, the decision

she has to take. If she's, it's I could, I would say here too, I'd say, the same thing than I, and I'd say,

no, Plinin, I'm going, po, if the Alex can, I, I don't, I don't want to be, but if Alex is who I'm going to say, I'm going to

talk to the other day is her decision I can just go and say you're not going to fight if this guy's there because she's making her money, she's making her career and then it's up to her to decide and I can't just go and say Alini, you're not going to fight if this guy's a referee. That will be the same as me on this situation to say Alex

I don't know, you're not going to fight if this guy's a referee no, I'm going to say, look, I don't think you should but at the end of the day is his decision. Same with Aline. Alex is not going to to block her career from growing if it's come a situation like that. Because she got to make her story, right? But we wish not. But like, at the other day, it's her choice.

Did you see the video that Herb Dean posted yesterday explaining the decision? I saw. You saw. What do you think of it? What do you think of it? No, no, it's not. There, he tried to get to arumar, because he, he saw, maybe, saw, maybe,

you saw the mark there, if I had if I had put a, if the mark had been in a place,

he would risk to get here. So, it's not it doesn't, it's not, he put a the hand,

he said, here, it's, now, he's just a fachin there, no,

it's, no, it's, it's the thing, when you get, there, in a lute,

in a lute, where there there, where there, where it's, you know, you, say,

oh, this part here, that is a nuke, this part that can't but here, but here, but here, but, no, there's to have to have a region, you know, the nuke is here,

this part here, because there's a contact, there's movement, there, so, there's to have something to protect and what he showed me showed, that he tried to pull out, you, from, you know, he'd make a risk, or I'd put a pinco, like,

a car of can't, and say, oh, here, a nuke, here, can't beat, this, it doesn't even make sense, because he is kind of, change the line for his favorite, even when he makes those little lines.

So it's the same as I'm going to say, okay, I put a little coin and say, this is the area that you cannot be hit. Do you know the size of somebody's hand to be hit on the back of the head? And then he said, no, but it's this one. So the next thing is going to go and go while and go with a pencil and just make a little dot

and say, you cannot be hit here. Like, when you talk about fighting, is movement related, so it got to be a big area. Like, he does not make sense. My opinion, David, don't make sense at all. Because for us, he showed a different area than he showed on that 10, and now he's waving it off.

I'm saying, for me, because the area that he mosted for us for a lot of the day before, was the area that you took a porrada, now he moved a line. He went like this long, Coach. Like, this here and this here. Now he just, this two little things here.

So, like, bro, like, if this was a trial, he just had incriminated himself with that video. Is that consistent with what he told you before the fight? Absolutely not. Really? Absolutely not. What did he say before the fight?

Because before the fight, he came to us, he asked, he said, he said, he said, he said, for me, for you know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, like, it's, he said, oh, it's for all, it's for all the world. I, I, I said, I'm, I said, Prim, you know, dead no, he, well, it's not to happen this type of thing, but, po, po, it's, po, it's, oh, the

opportunity, the guy, the car, the car, the car, sent a porrada, and the car, I'll , oh, wow, come him, he, come him to him, he said, man, he, he said, he, he, he He said, he said, no, no, I'm going to explain here how it's how it works. So he went there, all the tension, boy, and all, but he didn't do not do you. He said, no, I'm going to say, no, I'm going to say, no, I'll say, but it won't happen.

But it happened. Then, like, he took him down the rat. Whoever bit of rules beating knows how it works, right? It's you and 30 people in the room and the ref are just going over things. This is not what happened. Alex put him on the side with me and say, Plinio, this is my concern, can't explain to him. So it, him,

Herbden Mind you Sean Amel and Tim Welch was right there Sean saw the whole thing He saw that show him He saw he grabbed Bertram by the hand Like look We know this guy like the iPokes

It's hard to control because sometimes You punch and wave it off But those shots are got to be careful We need you to be on top of that He goes put the hand like this In here Just the side of the head sometimes I really understood

But the way that he executed the other day is seen that we never spoke with him. One thing is we're never spoke with him. One thing is we're here, conversing. It's here in a restaurant, at the meas, in a bar, is there,

and then, we start to conversal and say, but, but, but, I don't go of this, I don't like you to do this,

and all. At times, he never will be attention, not going to not leave a serious and and, like, because it was

an opportunity that I was here I was here, I said to, but he didn't, it's different that we're here in the

person, then I'll say, no, I will show attention to his, but, poe, there's a moment certain. I'll get here,

we're going to all, before to go, I'm going to go, I'm going to talk to you. Get here in the can't here,

and then you see, and then, you'll, let's, this guy wants to say a thing is something important.

It's, poe, let me give attention to this guy, what you want, I go there, I'll go, and it's another day

for situation, and was what I did, but he didn't live a serious, you know, when you're in a bar sometimes,

and your friend messed up a little be and you just in front of everybody, say, bro, I kind of didn't like why you did, such as such. And you just got like, okay, but you don't really put in the mind. Versa come to you and I say, Ariel, let's talk outside you and I. And you're going to be walking really what this guy have to talk to me. And I go and express something that I don't like or something that is important for me to

you. You definitely going to pay attention to that, right? And that's exactly what we do. We didn't have the whole meeting. No, we put him on the side for real. And he specifically explained to him and ask him, be on top of this. and he just disregarded everything. I'm telling me, for me, I was screaming on the corner of the there,

back of the head, and I knew he was listening. He cannot just, because he was 10 feet from me. And then he just chose to not do nothing about. Do you think Sir Al-Gone is a dirty fighter? You think the Sigur guy's all too-sujo? Like I said, I think this is chinted of the car, of survival, you know? It's there, is co-ed, and, poe,

does what he has an opportunity. I'm not going to say dirty. It's just like I said before. He just his survival instinct, he gets a little desperate, he's cornered on his mind, he's desperate, he just do this kind of things. The example, let's suppose.

But he knows what he's doing. You're like, he's doing. He was, po, he was caught on his legion, he didn't, he not, he not sure in trying to do the defaise, to make a sprawl there, to keepra, and all, to find a position, poor, to start to bat. He, he thought,

oh, here's more fast, po, the head of the guy here, I'm going to bathe, you know, for more that he's not a position wrong, he's, he's batting in a place that, poe, this will be prejudicca, and he knows the advantage of this. When Alex had that shot,

had the head that holding his leg, the correct thing to do, if you see Cyril not even try to stuff that take down. Like, he's not like, okay, let me just move the head to the side, find the best position, so he can ground and pound. He just looked down and he said,

okay, this is the spot, because from here is going to be easy, then he just started landing those shots. When I looked with Goncalave, that, he, put, sette the copel, he went into my hands perna, he, put, he was only the, was only the clovellade.

If he was he would do, if he would do it. If he would do it, that was an opportunity. Because he said, I don't do this defense, because there's a disgast, you know, to do you, to do the defense. What I did? I went, I defends, I got, I got a little hand, put it out of his head,

then, I was, I, then, I stabilized. I was, I was, I'm, I'm going to be, I'm going to be, I'm going to get a blitz, but in a place, but, it's, there, no, it's, it's dominated, did, dominate, I'm dominated,

Then I, well, I'll bathe here, bathe here, bathe in a custela, then I bathe in a cussle, then, then came in the corner of his here, poor, yeah, came to again here, where did I do not? I'd have done this since the initial. When I fell on Caleb, when Calave shot in after I rocked him,

I could have just went and land the elbow straight up. It's just easier because everybody knows, for you two stuff, a take down, that is a toll on your cardio, right? But no, I went, pushed the head to the side, make sure that I took him off me, established the position, and then I pick my shots clean.

Tom Aspinall, John Jones, other fighters have said that they feel he's dirty, so that's why I asked that question. People have accused him recently, Tom Aspinall, very, very vocally, so that's why I was wondering if you now agree with them. Those two John Jones and Ospinal said he thinks he's soju,

for all that he's just been doing, for him for his question, and if you concorda with him? I don't know. I don't know. I think he's instinctive of the car. I don't know. Maybe it's just his instinct. Okay.

You told me before the fight you want a quick turnaround. Obviously, you have to heal up now, but in a perfect world, now that you've experienced the fight, when would you like to come back? Before the last, you had said to say to go back. Of course, you have to recover, we understand, but when you'd like to be back? After the result of the exam, in September, I'd like to be fighting. After the result of the medicals, maybe September I would like to be fighting. That's soon.

It's fast. You're okay with that? Bro, whatever the champ wants, the champ cat, we're going to support him no matter of what. You have to be healthy, no? No, as long as his health, he's fine. I'm going to ask you, if I said, the champion he wants, he has,

contrar he's a good. For long as his health. If I'm not sure, if I were soundable, you know, like I said for you, I, my son, I've realized yeah, and, poe, I love to to do not, understand. And, you know, I'm going to do

if I'm going to do. If I'm mached out, I mean, we'll be something we'll have something but if it's something that

will be prejudicate in my life, I'm not I'm not going to do that not going to

hurt me like physically my life and then I like to fire I like to come back and I'm being told

you have some news yeah yeah you tell us yeah I just sign a contract with misfits

three fights wow you're going to box for misfits I am September Sunday I don't have the correct day yet

because they check in the zone about like he's in September. Chase them more? I don't know, bro, because I don't know if he agreed to the fight and then he does the thing that he signed. What I know from Misfits, they promise me that in September,

I'm going to box for the Misfits' heavyweight title. Now if it's him or they're going to strip him or somebody else, I don't care. Wow. Me, Plinyo Cruz, I'm boxing for the Misfits' Heavyweight belt in September. Wow. Why do you want to do this? Because, you know, they boost me to do it. He said, because I'm going to return.

I said, I said, you're going to say, you know. You do well? Do you think he does well? You said he does well? You said I'll send him well. It's all right. No, I'm, you know, see, you know, poor,

see the other than he's a man, you know, I had to be doing this, you know, not have to have been to have been to motivate him, to help what he needs. We're going to do

whatever every year, two days in a week, two days, but sparr and duro with Glover, it's always doing two days in a week. So he's

He's doing a thing certain He's doing what he He's He's something to

motivate him And he He's He likes He never saw my fights I don't know If you saw my fights, I don't know If you saw him

He never wanted me to really stop He think I'll do really good He fully support this And it's perfect time Because Glover is Fighting Shoghungon On August 29 in boxing

So I'm going there twice a week I train every day Of course But then Alex Is coaching us and then me and Glover Spar, so we'd like just a few weeks apart

on the, each other's fights. And it just makes sense, and we just had to be. And will he corner you? Yes, 100%. He's going to cornered Glover and me. So the first time he gets to return the favor. Second, because my last five in MMA,

he cornered me. He was there, okay, oh, wow. A long time ago, yeah. But first time in boxing. Yes. Yeah, he asked if I was going to corner. I said, I was the first time in MMA, but now the first time in boxing.

Alex, thank you very much. Oh, thank you for coming on. I really, really appreciate it. I know you're probably upset, emotional, maybe don't want to talk about it. Maybe you do want to shine a light on this as well. So we really appreciate you coming as always. I hope you get well soon, you heal up soon,

and that you get what you want, you get the rematch that you want. Paul, thank you've been here. We know that's been after the last year. We respect to be very good, the house is always here for you. We hope you're going to get a revenge that you want. No, it's that, poor. Thank you for the space also.

And it's just. We'll recover now. Let's get some little. There's some work to do. But, uh, no, long, I'm going to do. Feel really good. Thank you so much for the space.

We just got a heel, got some work to do. But soon we'll be back. And we don't jump off the bandwagon. We still, you know, still there. You can't see, you know, the two there. We need the Shama here. Oh, the Cretin. Yeah.

He said, he didn't brought in. He didn't brought in. He didn't. I want to try. I want to try. We had to try. We had to try. Yeah.

I didn't want to try. I don't want to be able to be this situation here. but I'm promoving it. He just wanted to not promote anything like that because, you know what I mean? He's just talk about his fighters. That's good. Respect, respect.

Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Plinyo. We'll take a quick break. Say goodbye to the guys. Be back to wrap up the show. Don't go anywhere. All right, back on the program. That was my conversation with Connor.

McGregor from yesterday. It's up on the channel right now. That was Alex Perea. Appreciate him very, very much. It's rare when a fighter wants to come on after a loss. We appreciate that wholeheartedly. We appreciate the past. the emotion, this is his livelihood, this is his career, said a lot there. That's the most

fired up that I've ever seen Alex Pereira before. We've never seen him fired up like that. He's quite stoic, but we've never seen that type of anger or emotion out of him. Let's see what happens. Obviously, we've seen Tom Aspinall say, hey, I'm ready to go in September, but interestingly enough, he is not considering a move down to light heavyweight. He wants to stay there. So let us see how all of this plays out. I do believe we have did I get to all the the super chats

I think you did ZW 22442 Ariel you've dropped at least or I've dropped at least 10 you know yourselves since yesterday and I blame you sorry about that Juan Jovi

Damien Cordova versus Derek Lewis who do you got Lewis and K03N.770 go Nix, go Nix, go Nix, school. I believe that's a Minnesota Vikings reference? I believe it is.

It's been a long week, my friends. It's been a long week, but we've done a lot. Tomorrow, it's BITB, the boys in the back. You know, those things, they really, they really hit you. I wonder if at any point Alex was thinking to himself, Orplineo, is that scampy?

Do I smell scampi? BITB tomorrow, 415, SUP, BIA, ITB, pound for pound, do we have anything? Yeah, we sure do. Oh yeah? Yeah, we've got a few. But we're not, this is like the 15th time in a row where I said, do we have anything and we don't get it. The finalized thing is in honor of the Knicks parade. In honor of the next championship. Things worth waiting for.

Oof, I absolutely love that. Oh, I got some good ones. I mean, what about, ooh, England three, two. Oh, yeah, Harry Kane, netting two of them, one of a penalty. Bellingham. Were they down at it? any point? Nope. Okay. Went one,

101, 1-1-1. Oh, he just scored? No, it didn't just score. 1, 2, 2, 3-2, 3-2. Okay. They scored at the very end of the first half. Bellingham comes back.

Okay, let's lock in. That's it. I'm done. See you, man. Nothing more to do, nothing more to say, nothing more to be, nothing more to bay,

as they say in the business. Who else is playing today? Ghana, Panama. Columbia, Uzbekistan. Hmm, we love Colombia. Yeah, you know that... 10 p.m. start, huh? Nelston Rusabayev will be locked in on that Uzbekistan.

Oh, Mexico. I think it's small, right? I feel like, what's the breakdown in a pie chart of games in America versus games in Mexico versus games in Canada? I feel like it's like 95% America, 3% Mexico, 1% Canada. No, I think it's probably like 70% America, 20% Mexico. 10% Canada? I feel like other than the Canadian national team,

no one is playing there in Canada. When is Canada's next game? I think it's... Is it tomorrow? Yeah. Yeah, damn. I'm going to miss it. I'm going to miss it.

Wait, what time is it at? 06. I should be back by 6, right? What a day for you. Bro. Mix parade into Canada getting their first win in World Cup history. You're right. I need to lock in.

Come on, bro. Lock in. Will I be back by 6? I should be back. I hope so. I hope so. If you're leaving the house that early, you better be back. I think I've finalized 6 a.m. wake up, leave the house by 6.35,

hopefully get here by 7.15, walk over, get there by 8. I mean, there's going to be people who are going to be there by 5 o'clock. You'll see Brunson from like two or three blocks down. That's fine. That's fine. It's going to be great. It's going to be. J-Lon, remember me?

There they are. Love you guys. Thank you, Andy Foster. Sean O'Malley, Alex Volkendowski, Plinyo Cruz, Alex Pereira. Thanks to you, thanks to you, thanks, Deb. Back tomorrow, say, I'll say, say, be so many.