The Ariel Helwani Show - Ariel x Ade, episode 16: Canelo-Scull press conference reaction, Taylor-Serrano 3 announced, TKO superfights coming?

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Ariel Helwani and Ade Oladipo are together again in studio to react to the Canelo Alvarez vs. William Scull press conference (03:43).They look ahead to Alvarez's planned showdown with Terence Crawford (05:57), before doubling back to analyze the faceoff between Alvarez and Scrull (10:19).After highlighting the significance of The Ring Magazine belt (11:17), the duo discusses Bruno Surace and Jaime Munguia running it back (20:50) and Martin Bakole's return against Efe Ajagba (25:59).Next, they react to the announcement of Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano booking their trilogy bout (28:56) and wonder if Claressa Shields could wind up on the undercard (32:32).The conversation shifts to the WBC ordering Dmitry Bivol to fight David Benavidez (46:41).Finally, the show closes with speculation about who could headline the newly formed TKO boxing promotion's supercards (49:55), including mention of UFC champion Alex Pereira potentially facing Oleksandr Usyk.

Hello and welcome to a brand new edition of Ariel and Ade. Yes, for the undisputed global home of boxing we are doing, I do believe, our third show of the week. Three shows, technically. We did one on Tuesday. Yeah. We did one after the press conference at the Palladium in Times Square. We did an impromptu one on Wednesday. Yeah, we did one after the press conference at the Palladium in Times Square We did an impromptu one on Wednesday. Yeah in the studio impromptu, but it was sort of like a mini version Yeah, it was kind of an hour actually Yeah, that was a friendly I'm giving you and now here we are with a third a third episode this week

It's great to have you here in New York. You need to come more often It's different. It hits different. It does it does the New York so Energetic, it's it's London on steroids. Isn't it really it's I'm not sure whether to take that as a compliment Oh, I love the best seat in the world. Okay. Yeah, the fact I'm saying is London But maybe bigger and better and brighter is something it's far too much for me though Well, I don't have the energy for this city. It's too much for me. Well, you're in and out.

You're out this evening. I'm out this evening. We did great things on Tuesday, great things on Wednesday. They asked us to go to Radio City. We said, no, we need to be here at the HQ, the home base. We need to react to it here. With no outside noises, no influences, just us. And that's what we're gonna do. Yes, sir.

We are going to react to what just transpired at Radio City Music Hall, one of the most famous venues in all of New York City. Never heard of it. Are you serious? Never heard of it before. 92 years old. Before three days ago, didn't know what it was.

You're joking. I'm not even joking. When I got to the hotel, I was like, oh my God, that's the venue, we're doing something. The Rockettes. Never heard of it. Midtown. I did see that Kevin Hart is playing there tomorrow.

It's iconic. Never heard of it. Midtown. I did see that Kevin Hart is playing there tomorrow. It's iconic. Never heard of it. You know, that's the difference between me as a worldly person and yourself. I know about the Royal Albal. I know about the 02. I know about the OVO arena. I know about the difference.

But you don't know anything about it. I'm not even joking. You know, I wish I was joking. Like, spin this around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have never, ever heard of Raiden. Wow. Well, it's a big deal. It. I have never ever heard of radio. Wow. Well, it's a big deal.

It's a big deal that they had a press conference for a fight that isn't even happening here in New York city. It's happening on the 3rd of May in, in Riyadh, technically May 4th in Riyadh. It's in the morning, right? Sunday morning, but here in the United States and in the UK will be the 3rd of May. It's Canel Alvarez returning and he'll be fighting for the first time. The first time in his illustrious career third of May. It's Canel Alvarez returning and he'll be fighting for the first time, the first time in his illustrious career outside of

North America. Yes, Mexico is considered part of North America. He'll be fighting in Saudi Arabia. He'll be trying to become a two-time super middleweight undisputed champion. He's going up against the IBF champion, William Skull of Cuba and they held a press conference. Can I just say what I like so very much about this press

conference? Two things. Number one, there were fans in attendance, which you could see added some energy. And they let the press ask questions at a press conference. I'm very annoyed by this. You are happy about it? You are happy?

For someone that's, and well, you should be. Actually, you've done press conferences with fans, so you've experienced this. I've done press conferences and I begged for both of those things. Yeah. And I've only been given one. Sometimes fans, sometimes media, never together. And I'm like, what's going on? It's a new day. It better be a new thing. This better be it now going forward. It's much better, right? It's fantastic. Yeah. It's fantastic. Only

though I think what three or four members of the media got the most questions, but it's still, it's a start and I'm happy for it. Actually, not only did we get press questions, we also got a question from Turkey Alashe himself. Yeah. The most powerful man in all combat sports. It wasn't necessarily a question, I almost felt like it was a statement. Was it a statement? I felt like a statement. Get your belt back because we have business to take care of September 12th. That's what it felt like to me. Almost a statement of you better get your belt back. And Ken I was like, I will. All right. Well, the belts have become a hot topic. In case you missed that interaction

between a Turkey and Canelo, here's what the big man had to say. For Canelo, there is one item missed from you in the third of May. Are you get it back to be complete in the 12th of September in Vegas in the big fight. There is one item missed from you now. That belt. But I got you. Don't worry. I got you.

Okay, so great stuff. What's interesting about that is he mentioned September 12th again. Yeah. Yesterday, Turkey and Dana White were on the Pat McAfee show and Pat asked them, okay, when's the first event of this new, you know, TKO slash Turkey operation? It doesn't have a name just yet. At least we don't think there is a name that

they've announced. And Dana's like, ah, you know, when we're ready, when we're ready, we'll tell you. And then all of a sudden Turkey just drops. Yeah, maybe September 12th. And Dana's like, ah, you know, when we're ready, when we're ready, we'll tell you. And then all of a sudden, Turkey just drops, yeah, maybe September 12th. And then he says it again, which by the way, September 12th is a Friday.

But there it is, there's another hint that perhaps the first big event will be- Yeah, unless he's teasing us and throwing us a big curve ball here, he's almost kind of putting the piece of the puzzle together. And I will take what Turkey says as facts and truth. I mean, he is the person, he's the muscle behind this, if you like this operation. If he says 12th of September, and he said it now, two days back to back, we know what that means. Although again,

I think me and you said this when we, you know, after the Ryan press conference, I hate the idea of planning for something before something's happened Yeah, and I know Canelo is a massive favorite to be William Skoll But the idea of planning for something before that event happened still scares me. I have nightmares of it I remember when can I know was supposed to fight? Victor Ortiz many moons ago and Victor was supposed to be and run through a guy called Josecito Lopez And Victor he's got his jaw broken and can I was ringside like yeah what do we do now right so yeah sometimes you know I don't really like what that seems to be the norm these days with Ryan Garcia with

Devin Haney to degree with Tiafema Lopez with Canelo the one guy who isn't doing it is Terrence Crawford yeah he's the one guy who's saying I'm just gonna wait for the the big one down the line are you surprised that he's doing that yes and no like Terrence Crawford to and I love Terrence. I think Terrence is number two pound for pound. Some people will argue and say number one. Fine, have it. But he's been a part-time fighter for the best part of five years. Like Terrence only fights once a year. So at this stage of his career, 38, I don't expect him to change that. It works for him and the performances show that it works for him.

I think it would have been an ideal world to have a fight at least at 160 just so you can carry that weight up and see what it feels like to have that kind of weight on your back. But he's got a straight forward and look, you can understand why the pot of gold is so big. I mean, Crawford's only really made big, big money in his last two or three fights. I mean, prior to that, he was making money, but nothing like he's making now. So I don't know what the check will be for Canelo, but it's gonna be big. So why roll the dice at 38 when you know

in front of you is the lottery ticket, and I'm talking the big lottery ticket. So I can understand. Over in your neck of the woods, everyone's talking about Conor Ben and Chris Eubank and the weight difference. But if we're being honest, it kind of really is only like a six pound weight difference. If you think about the fact that Connor

Ben's last two fights were at one 54 as of late, you bank's been fighting at 160. We make the argument that it's 47 versus 68, but it really isn't this truly is 47 versus 68 Crawford versus Canelo, right? Yeah. One fight at 54 and, and Canelo super middleweight champion, right?

This truly is 47 versus 100%. This is a career. I mean, when you look at their long term career, One fight at 54 and and Canelo super middleweight champion, right? This truly is 47 versus 100 percent This is a career. I mean when you look at their longevity in certain divisions Crawford's longest period as a boxer is at 147 pounds Canelo's longest period as a boxer is a hundred sixty eight pounds So that's what they are. That's what they really are So yeah, this is this is a big big jump. And it's not as though Canelo is a faded 168 pound champion. This is Canelo. I mean, if people were to drop their pound for pound this, I think a lot of people will still have Canelo as a top six pound for pounder.

So he's fighting a guy that is still a very, very good fighter. Naturally now that guy at that weight and a guy that I guess will be come September 12th undisputed, which says he's the best in that division. This is what Crawford's trying to eclipse here, which is kind of crazy. And a guy that I guess will be come September 12th undisputed which says he's the best in that division This is what Crawford's trying to eclipse here, which is kind of crazy. So you're just dismissing William skull What you just said he's gonna be undisputed. Let's talk about it. And you know, I am I am he's a massive underdog I am I am dismissing him and you won the IBF vacant title back in October and he really just kind of like Right was and by the way, I mean it go much to fight And you won the IBF vacant title back in October and he really just kind of like stumbled into this right? It was and by the way, I mean go and watch the fight.

I mean it wasn't like he was at his brilliant best. He was good for the first few rounds and the gas tank ran empty and it's not just the fact he's fighting Canelo. It's the stage. Um, he's fighting in Saudi Arabia. So it's away from home home. Obviously home is really Cuba, but he's been fighting in Germany. Now you're fighting in Saudi Arabia.

I mean, two years ago or three fights ago, this guy was fighting people with records of 28 defeats and 15 defeats. So you're fighting Canelo. Like he's never done a media week like this. Yeah. Even the media week will take it out of you where you've got to come in on a Monday for media interviews, then Tuesday is grand arrivals, then Wednesday, then Turkey is going want to sit with you on a Thursday, then you got a press conference. He hasn't done anything like this. For Canelo, he's been doing this for the last 15 years. This is nothing to him. So forget what happens in the ring. Just the idea of what you've got to do before you even get into the ring, I think, will be new to him. So I would be, I mean, this would be, this would be Mike Tyson. This would be bigger than Mike Tyson buster Douglas. Well, there's, there's one actual connection,

if you will, similarity between that fight and this fight, that fight happened in the morning. Okay. In the morning in Tokyo, right? And so I'm always, I'm always a little bit worried when a champion decides to do this. Now Canelo is a pro and he'll probably show up, you know, two weeks, three weeks early.

He, he wasn't really asked that question. At least I didn't hear him answer that question. But, and of course, he's not going out there partying like Mike Tyson was in Japan. But, you know, over in MMA, we saw with Leon Edwards, he had to fight at five in the morning in Manchester. He'd lost his belt. And so it always is kind of a risk.

You have to like reprogram your brain, your body clock, all these things. There's a lot more at risk, obviously, for Canelo Alvarez and William Skull. Now, we had the face-off. kind of a risk. You have to like reprogram your brain, your body clock, all these things. There's a lot more at risk obviously for Canel Alvarez and William Skull. Now we had the face-off. I want to react to the face-off because I thought there were two very notable things from this face-off. We were watching it in real time and the first thing that jumps out at you is the size difference, right? Yeah. William Skull, 5'11". Do we have the face-off guys? 5'11 and a half? Okay, what, yeah, look, this is,

I'm not gonna take away from how big he is, but then I always go to the footwear. It's important for me. Ah. William Skull had Timberlands on. Okay, but first of all, William Skull is currently listed at 5'11 and a half. Nah, he's not 5'11, dude.

Canelo's 5'7 and a half. Yeah, I'm 5'11. This guy's not 5'11. This guy's bigger than me. I mean, that looks like 5'11. That looks like 6'2. Oh, you're actually saying he's taller. I think he's taller.

I think, look at it. Look, dude. He is enormous. Wow. I mean, Canelo, you know. I mean, the hat is a little bit big. That's a bit big as well, but he's still big. You know, I've been around Canelo for a long time now. I've met him in person, as I'm sure you have. He really is a 160 guy.

Like, he's fighting out of his weight class. Yeah. I always feel like he gives away a lot when it comes to guys on the night in terms of size. Like William Skoll will probably be around the 200 pound mark on the night. He gives away a lot and this is I guess one of the reasons why he was kind of not wanting to fight Benavides. Like dude you're going to be 220 in the ring, I'm not fighting you. Because he does give away a lot in size and I think we saw it there. There a big size difference that won't help with him school okay the other notable thing guys let's play the face off one more time because we were just reacting to the size difference want to play it once again and now pay attention to the second most notable thing there's Turkey I'll shake in the middle he's holding on to the ring

magazine belt the undisputed title okay Okay, that's what you're doing. They're face to face. Where's the other belts? It's a great shot. At one point, in a matter of seconds, Canelo reaches over for his other title. Oh, does he? He has the three other titles, obviously, right? And you'll see Turkey say, nah.

That's Eddie Reynoso. He's like, no. Interesting. No belts for this one. That's interesting. That's it then. And obviously William Skull is the IBF champion. William didn't even try and reach for his belt. Nah, William's like, I'm good. William's shit's not bad. Shout out to William. Now here's the thing. The reason we bring this up is because yesterday the big story was Turkey, Alla Shake and TKO, Dana White, Nick Khan, they have come together to form this new boxing league. And the thing that we were talking about together when you were on the program in studio was that they are essentially going to say to

hell with the IBF title, to hell with the WBC, WBO, WBA, all these titles, you're gone. The three letters you're gone. Yeah. And we're going to have our own. Now you and I were debating, okay, so what are they going to do? They're just going to make a TKO belt.

Yeah. Right. And then, you know, you're reacting, you're seeing things online and you're going to have our own. Now you and I were debating, okay, so what are they going to do? They're just going to make a TKO belt, right? And then, you know, you're reacting, you're seeing things online and the sentiment seems to be that they're just going to use the ring magazine belt as their belt. Which makes sense. And I wish I knew it prior to our conversation, because my thing was at the time was, okay, well, the TKO belt doesn't have the history of the WBA or all the other belts. So I mentioned the WBA because that's the oldest right over a hundred years

Obviously, Turkey responded to the clip of me and you talking about it and said one second We've got the ring belt, which is 103 years old So that seems to be the thing and that makes sense. Obviously he's bought the ring magazine It kind of makes sense because that's the belt you you are gonna want to use and why try and create something new When you don't have to we've got the ring belt. And for years, I've always felt like the ring belt, whoever has the ring belt is number one in the sport. Because there are so many belts, who's got the ring belt?

Okay, you are the guy or the person that is number one. So it makes sense then, rather than starting fresh with a TKO belt, which wouldn't make sense, the ring belt being the belt for the champion. I love this more, I love this more. I think this more. I love this more. I think this just makes more sense. If you're trying to give credit to a new organization

and that new organization has, I think the best belt in boxing, because I think all the other belts have too many issues, then this one just makes sense for me. And obviously you don't want to introduce another belt into the equation, right? And so let me ask you, you say that you think that it's maybe like

the most prestigious belt. Is that a sentiment that is shared by all the hardcore boxing community? I think so, and I think not just the hardcore boxing community, but when I speak to the boxers, they say it. They feel that way. They feel it, especially fighters that have a title in a division.

They're like, okay, I'm the number one because I've got the ring belt. So forget you that's got the WBL or the IBF, I've got the ring and I've got other hardware, but I've got the ring that suggests I'm the number one because I've got the ring belt so forget you that's got the WBO the IBF I've got the ring and I've got you know, I've got other hardware, but I've got the ring that suggests I'm number one So I think boxers share that sentiment and I think fight fans are starting to understand it as well Even the casual fight fans are starting to understand. Okay, one second the ring magazine belt Means that guy is number one because it's it did the water started to get very muddy when you used to have four champions

And there are four different belts It's like okay, but who is number one right and all the ring guy Kind of makes sense now. I think very interesting 24 hours later not much from WBC not much from WBO WBA I be you know, like no one's really said anything. No, no one is not really sitting. No one has said nothing Well, that's true. But that that picture right there what we just saw Speaks volumes. Yeah, it does. This is the direction. And I'm actually of the mind that the less belts, the better. Like you and I will talk about, oh, you know, Tank Davis versus Lamont Roach

was for the WBA super lightweight title. No one really knows. No one really cares. No. And what's more confusing about that as well is that both of them had belts in the ring and I know Lamont Roach is sure he's not coming up moving up yeah division but it gets very confusing yeah like okay wait who is the who's the guy everyone seems to have a belt nowadays and even and I credit Dougie because he kind of shut it down when Romero versus Ryan Garcia I think we now know is for the WBA regular title so what so one of them is going to win about what's going on. It's just a lot of this is self-inflicted.

We've just not had a situation where someone can come in and clean it all up. The funds, the know-how, et cetera, the willingness to do it. A lot of this is self-inflicted with the super continental and the interim titles and all this stuff. It becomes like, I remember one time. Champion in recess. Oh gosh. I remember one time watching, I think, was it,

was it Pacquiao? Who was it? Was it Pacquiao? It was, it was a big fight. And I remember buffer. I think it was buffer. It might've been Jimmy Lennon. I think it was buffer who said something to the

effect of like, and still, and all the people that I was with had no idea if who was the end still, and all the people that I was with had no idea if who was the end, still who was the end new. Yeah. You know what I mean? Look, look at, look at you and the fight we were just talking about, Conor Ben versus Chris Eubank. Are there any titles on the line?

Yes. No, they're not. I think no, an IBO. It's nonsense. It's not. No one cares about the point is no one cares. Just the fights. No one cares, right? If you have a great matchup, no one cares

And I say this one will say this you're correct But I will say in the last four years we've seen way more Undisputed title fights than I think I can ever remember some some big ones as well great I think we care when we 100% know it's number one versus number two and Someone's going home with all that pot of gold. So you know it's number one versus number two and someone's going home with all that pot of gold. So you are without doubt number one. We saw it with Firi Usyk, we saw it with Inouye Fulton, we saw it with Crawford Spence, we saw it with Bivald Batorbiev. I think that's when it matters. When they're not fighting

each other then no one cares. Like we've got a situation in the 135 pound division we have four champions, four different belt holders and I think we all know they're not fighting each other. Yeah, no, that's when it that's when it comes. And by the way, you know, it's the irony in all this. If there isn't an I.B.F., if there isn't a mandatory, if there isn't a chance, William Skull is the game this fight. Yeah, like that, that that system where like, oh, you need to fight William Skull who isn't even in the top 10 in the in the other, you know, rankings, right? That's the problem. The fact that William, the fact that William Skull is the champion even in the top 10 in the in the other you know rankings right that's the problem the fact that William this is the beginning of the end

goal yeah and I hate to do this to him because look no it's just unbeaten and but the fact that William Skull is even fighting Kanano because he is the IBF champion says a lot about the IBF rankings but how how has William Skull got to a situation where he is mandatory right right when again as you look and again, as you look, and people can bring up his record, you can bring up his record, he's fighting guys that were 18 and 25 and 21 and 16 a couple of years ago. 25 defeats? Yeah. That's what you were fighting a couple of years ago to get into the position to be mandatory?

To take on Canelo? That alone says- I saw some people saying Canelo's just cherry picking his opponents. No, this guy is the champion. So if he wants to be undisputed, you have to fight him. What they're trying to change is the fact that he has to fight him. Right.

They want one set of rankings top. Now, does everyone adhere to it? These are questions that are going to be answered over the next two, three, four, five years, but it's funny seeing that scene play out there. If this goes the way they want it to go, these fights don't happen anymore.

Yeah. These, these fights don't happen anymore. Yeah. These, these random IBF champion guy gets to fight the, I think Canelo wants to be undisputed again. Like, you know, when we think of these options for May 3rd, do you think Canelo was like, okay, let's just become undisputed. Do you think, do you think this fight September 12th had to be undisputed? I think it was the only other thing that made sense.

Like who else was there? A fight that isn't too big of a risk There is a nice little prize that you win if you take the fight If you're if you're gonna fight on May 3rd before a massive fight like Crawford in September You might as well try to become undisputed for the second time. Yeah, I think my thing a bit like I don't want that Christian Smoke, you know, you know, I think was and this is old news now, but why are we waiting until September? For Crawford.

Yeah. Why did Canada Crawford notice that happened in May? Too soon. You think they were going to make this happen on March 5th and do a fight two months later? Too soon. It's not like it needs any promotion. Too soon. Doesn't need any promotion. I think too soon. It worries me when they take a fight beforehand.

This worries me greatly. I'm very, very comfortable. But September makes sense. You've got to get the TV deals down. I am so comfortable with Canelo. I know time difference. I know Skoll being so much bigger and Skoll being unbeaten and Skoll has this, and he does have a really good amateur record.

I think over 300 amateur fights so he can box. No. And by the way, this is a Canelo that's obviously still, it's not, he's still very good. He's not Canelo Golovkin Canelo, first time or second time around. He's not that guy, but that guy was 100%. This Canelo is still 90 odd, 95.

Skull isn't in the same stratosphere as Canelo Alvarez. And again, I hate doing this because you can't sort of do this to unbeaten fighters, but Kenan is too good for it. Remember, you can injure a hand, you can twist an ankle, something in training, you could get cut. A million things can happen. We hope that's not the case. And that's why it's good that we have a six-month gap into September.

So even if you do injure a hand, even if you do get cut, we have enough time. Four months between May and September. May, is it? Is it four? Yeah, what's this math? Six months from now, but the fight is in May and then September. Oh yes. May is five, September is nine. Let me ask you this.

I remember we were in Las Vegas last May for the Munguia fight, Canal Munguia, and the talk going into that fight was, step slow. He's old. He could get caught, Munguia young in his twenties. And then he wins that fight very easily. And then he wins the Berlanga fight very easily. I feel like that talk has kind of dissipated a little bit, right? I feel like those two performances, although he didn't stop them, got people off his back a little bit. I think it showed that there are still levels to this, and that we discredited him because of the

Bivel defeat, but now in hindsight that performance doesn't look too bad considering how good we think We've released and I think you're right. I think everyone for okay Some of these young kids might cause him problems and shows how good he is Because Mingi has no Mingi has no scrub even with Mingi a losing prior to that Mingi was no scrub And he kind of just banished him quickly and then he banished Belanga as well Okay, I think you know got a lot of heat because of the benefitavides thing. Everyone wanted him to fight Benavides and for whatever reason and we'll get into that he didn't want to and I think that's where the heat came

from. I think people still recognize Canelo as a very very good fighter. I just think the Benavides thing and maybe even a morale to an extent kind of annoyed people because they wanted to see the next man up and we never really got the next man up because there's no one on this planet earth that thinks Blank was better than Benavides or Mingir was better than Benavides. I think that's kind of what annoyed Canelo fans and fight fans. They didn't mention Marm Bacoli against FAA Jagba on on the press conference today or at the press conference, but it seems like that's going to be added It's the fight that we thought was gonna happen on May 2nd here in New York City, but for whatever reason, they're pushing it one day

after the night. He needed one more day to get ready after the knockout loss to Joseph Parker. What they did announce though, is Jaime Mongia against Bruno Sarras too. That was our upset of the year. Everyone's upset of the year, right? It happened in December.

It was supposed to be a nice little tuneup fight. The odds were astronomical in, in, in Mongia's favor it's in Tijuana, it's essentially his backyard and he gets knocked out. Shocking, right? I mean, just absolutely shocking. No one knew of Bruno Sarrasso of France. Like who is this guy? And they're running it back.

And this is interesting for a number of reasons. All of a sudden, Eddie, Eddie Reynoso has, has put together one of the best stables in boxing. He's got Canelo, he's got Mongia now, which is really interesting. for a number of reasons. All of a sudden, Eddie Reynoso has put together one of the best stables in boxing. He's got Canelo, he's got Mangia now, which is really interesting. He got Ryan Garcia and Tiafima Lopez. What a freaking stable.

This might be the best right now, right? I mean, what a quartet of characters. In terms of star names, it's an incredible stable. And I like it for Canelo as well. Not so much the Mangia factor. Look, I think Mangia benefits from I like it for Canelo as well. Not so much the Mingier factor. I think Mingier benefits from being a stable Canelo. But I think Canelo benefits from being

around young guys of energy like Ryan and Tiofimo. I think he benefits from having those in his stable. Just in terms of drills, in terms of energy, just to kind of keep up with those young pups. Ryan's been there before and Ryan left. I think it's helped Ryan's maturity. I think you mentioned Ryan now looks a bit more mature. It's certainly not helped Tiofimo's maturity.

So let's see what Tiofimo can do when he gets there. It's early days. It's early days, right? You're right. Give him time. But I like it. I think it's a great stable. I find it intriguing, but I think it's a great stable.

So, and I like that Kanell and Monge are kind of peaking together, but here's the other thing. We were talking to Oscar De La Hoya on Tuesday and I asked him, like, why don't you just do Devin Haney versus Ryan Garcia too right away? Oh, he said, we don't do that in boxing, which is a bit of a weird statement because it happens all the time. Guess what? It's happening in this fight.

He just got knocked out and he's going right back into it. So are you surprised that he's going, is it okay to do this because it was such a shock? You've got to do this. you've got to do it this this this it almost a bit reminds me like I'm a calm braid his press got many moons ago where I may can't get knocked out and I was like what and I may can't never kind of did to get back yeah and I was like come on I may come in a man gears got to do the get back right he has to and then gear wants to get each career back on track and we want to take me gear as a serious top level 168 pounder.

He almost has to stop Bruno Sarastro. He's got to smoke him. Like exclamation point. And then immediately there were big fights out there, whether it be Balanga, Pacheco, Caleb Plant, whoever. He's got to run through him. And this is Mingier now. That's kind of switching the trainers a little bit as well.

So I think there's a lot of pressure on Mingier. A lot of pressure. Mingier has always been the guy that had sort of the cheerleader spokesperson of Oscar De La Hoya behind him. He never really spoke, almost within himself. Now he doesn't have that, almost kind of feel like he needs to kind of come out of the show a little bit. And I even mean that in the ring, because it almost felt like it was always Oscar beating the drum for him. And now Oscar's not there and he's with top rank. It was like, Mingier's fighting. Okay. I want to see a more loud and boister with top rank. It was like, Mingir's fighting, okay.

I want to see a more loud and boisterous Mingir. And I think he might benefit from, again, being around those type of characters in the camp. I mean, Kenel's come a long way, even with his English. I love it. It's so great to hear him speak. He talks some good smack, even right before the face-off. He said something to Skull about, bring your...

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. We're not on my platform. Be I, excuse the language. What do you say? What's the line? Be I. No, you always say like, please excuse our language.

Apologies for the something. Apologies for the language. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. There's so many memes about that for me now, but. How do you feel about your boy Bacoli coming back so soon after the knockout? Has some of the aura gone away? A little bit. coming back so soon after the knockout? Um... Has some of the aura gone away?

A little bit. A little bit. I think even Billy Nelson, his trainer slash manager mentioned it as well. Like, he said we have to remind people that he still is the Boogeyman. So I think even he, by saying that, I think he's almost kind of said, maybe people feel like he isn't the Boogeyman anymore.

He got knocked out. And look, it's a punch that I think could knock anyone out. But I remember there's this weird sort of not weird is a video image of Usyk and AJ ringside watching it. And even they're in shock. Oh my God. Remember, he took one punch. He kind of shook off like, is that all you've got? Yeah. Like, is that it? And then he got knocked out.

30 seconds later. 30 seconds later. He's out for the count. It's a quick turnaround. Obviously, there'll be a 30 day suspension and then so there's no sparring or that least there shouldn't be no No, no one no one goes to someone's camping yes, but they should right because it was a bad knockout But let's hope that as soon as he landed back in Congo. Okay. Yes, you can't do sparring but you can get fit But he needs to be around the 270, 280 mark. That free 10 annoyed me.

It annoyed me. I know you brought it up like a hundred times. I still do bring it up. I'm bringing it up right now. Did he respond to you? Cause I mean, you pretty much like called him out. You said that like he needs to go on Weight Watchers. You guys have that over there in the UK?

Yep. No, he hasn't responded. I think he knows I'm upset. Yeah, okay. He knows you feel let down. Yeah. I remember even Ben Shalom, when Ben Shalom announced it's going to be Martin Bacoli versus Joseph Parker, he came up to me and said, dude, you speak about Martin Bacoli more than anyone. You're his biggest cheerleader. And I've been banging the bandwagon

because look, Martin Bacoli isn't necessarily a big name, doesn't sell tickets. So these opportunities that he's getting at this stage of his career are important because he's not a guy that immediately fills out a stadium and he is kind of a risk reward right? The risk is so high the reward is quite low. So it's taken Billy Nelson and Martin Bacoli so long to get these opportunities. Just don't throw them away by being out of shape. That's all I ask. Yeah all right well let's see. There's a lot of other things. By the way what a time for you to come to New York City because it feels like a dizzying period for the sport It's incredible what the amount of news that is happening on an hourly basis in this sport is absurd I mean yesterday we had seismic news very quickly should be in gear and Bruno Sarras have been there

I was thinking that and Bacolet FH should they not have been there that presser as well I mean, I know it's the Canelo show and I get that but I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. Really? This is the kickoff. Fight week you'll see. Well, we had all the other guys there on Tuesday. I mean, are they? Look at the star power. Okay. It's a completely different ballgame. Okay, cool. Tfuma Lopez and Arnold Barbosa aren't exactly, you know, Bruno Suarez and Jaime Munguera. I'm just saying fight week, yes, but that was a different thing. And also that fight was happening here or is happening here. That card is happening here. This one isn't.

Okay, cool. So much news, dizzying on an hour by hour basis. Yesterday we spoke about the big TKO news. We wake up today to the news that Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano III is going to happen in this very city. Another Friday night card, July 11th. Some of these Friday cards. Yeah, I'm not sure, but I don't mind it. The madness around with three is going to happen in this very city. Another Friday night card, July 11th. So these Friday. Yeah, I'm not sure, but I don't mind it back on Netflix, the trilogy and back

where they first went toe to toe. Right. And the last big fight to happen at this iconic venue known as Madison square garden, the Mecca, this is tremendous. And you know, what's really interesting about it. There's multiple things. Number one. Okay.

It's a trilogy and they're running it back right away number two no three-minute rounds Amanda surround on her team were really many trilogies with two defeats is there yeah I don't think there's been any in the history of the sport extremely rare yeah I don't think I mean obviously Wilder Fury but the first fight was a draw technically even though Fury one really rare I can't think but it's not really too difficult I mean it is two on the record books but they're so close there are some people who actually think Amanda won both fights. There are other people who think Amanda won.

No, that's why I'm not mad at some people. I was just tuning up. Why are you doing it again? I'm like, shut up. You hear that. Yeah, I heard it. I can't. No, no, that's it.

My Twitter time. I'm flooded. That means you didn't watch the first two fights. Yeah, they didn't watch it. You're just looking at the records. OK, so so number one, it's back at, the iconic MSG venue where it was incredible. Of course, I know there's some fans of Katie Taylor who wish this could have happened in Ireland.

It should have happened. It just should have happened. There's so much politics. I don't understand it. And, and, and, and three arena just isn't quite big enough. It's not big enough. Now it's for her super lightweight titles, right? So they've gone up same titles as the last fight, no three minute rounds.

Amanda Serrano and her team were trying to get three-minute rounds. I'm happy that isn't happening That would have been a nice fun little wrinkle. I think 12 rounds as opposed to 10. Yeah, that's the push I think we get so much action two minutes that I don't think you're gonna get that soon when it's have made the fights incredible Yeah, they're crazy like they come out and there's no feel out. There's like Straight away, and I don't think you get that with three-minute rounds I personally don't think so the last super interesting note is it's an all-women's card That's very interesting an all-women's card. How do you feel about this? I'm all for it Yeah, I think there's an all-women's card tomorrow. Yeah, London

I think we've seen it before as well when Clarissa for Savannah Marshall So we've got never really happened here in the United States. It hasn't. Yeah. You know, I would, I want, I want, what camera am I? What camera am I? You're right here, you're right here. Am I this one? Yeah. Clarissa Shields.

Oh yeah. Clarissa Shields needs to be on this fight card. And I know the problem with Clarissa is Clarissa's come out and said, look, I'm no co-main. If I'm not the main event, I'm not fighting. Clarissa has to be on this fight card. Now it could be Shadesha Green. I don't know who-

She called her out today. She said, we reached out to you. Shadisha Green called her out. It makes sense. She reached out to Clarissa and Clarissa is the one that's come back and I've seen the tweets where she's like, well, I'm not on this. I'm like, just swallow your pride a little bit.

They want it. This is it. This is the biggest fight card in women's boxing history. This is it. And I get it, right? You're not the main event, but it's because you don't have the dance partner Just be on the card. It will be history and you can then almost just be alongside the fellow goats

Because that conversation of goats is the conversation. It's a debate. It's like the Broaden one two and three pound-for-pound Right hundred percent hundred percent. How great would that be? It would be it would be sensational. And I want Clarissa to get that moment. And you know, she will probably watch this and say, I've had my moment shut up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've had the Olympics. I've had the Olympics, I beat Savannah, I get all that, but your moment over here, that big moment over here. And I think if she fights Dasha Green, co-main event and gets paid a bucket load of money that she deserves, I think it'd be fantastic for fantastic. I do wonder how they populate the rest of the card. Like if there are four, let's say there are four main card

fights, you know there's gonna have to be other fighters that they're looking at. By the way, just I mean, do you remember when we had Clarissa on? Yeah. Do you remember the one that really got her riled up? Cyborg? That's not a bad shout. No, I was. Who was it? Sorry. You don't remember?

I asked her a question. Oh, no. Is that crazy? Is that crazy? He's the one. Yeah. Could you imagine? Remember I asked her, could you guys be friends?

Didn't she do a little thing with Andre Ward on all the podcasts? Yes. Yes. Yes. That would be wild. How old is she now? I think she's 42, 43. Leila Ali?

No, no, no. Yeah, yeah. 47. No, no, then I don't want to see it. I remember looking it up when she was on. 47. No, no, no, it's too much. It's too much.

There was so much heat with Alicia Baumgartner, but the weight seems to be a bit of an issue. She's been kind of forgotten about. Alicia. You always bring her up. Always bring her up. You always say you want her to fight Skye Nicholson, right? Yeah, to be a bit of an issue. She's been kind of forgotten about. Alicia. You always bring her up. Always bring her up. You always say you want her to fight Skye Nicholson, right? Yeah, it was Alicia.

But I feel like she's been completely forgotten about. She has been. Obviously she has. She has so much momentum. So much, dude. She was everywhere. Yeah. And you felt like she was not just in terms of...

You felt like she was at every single big fight. Yes. She was right there next to Eddie or someone. She would be a great one for this card. She would be great because she's got the star power. Dude. She's got the looks. She's got the fighting style, the ferocity.

When that Clarissa Savannah fight happened, I know, again, I know the main event was Clarissa Savannah. I'm telling you now, and I'm speaking from someone that is okay, all the heat was McKellenmire versus Alicia Van Gogh. Yeah, that was great. That was all the heat. Those two were literally just everywhere.

They were incredible, yeah. And she needs to get a big fight again. I think Alicia's fantastic. She's got a great look. She comes, she gives you action in the ring. She sells a fight. She's good on the mic. She deserves an opportunity. She's been sort of tweeting recently about sort of a Saudi fight. And obviously that doesn't look like it looks like it's forthcoming. So she needs to be on this one. She also needs I feel like she's kind of like a nomad right now as far as like not having a promotional muscle behind her. Right? You know, she had the matchroom deal. She's no longer with matchroom. She fought on a smaller platform that kind of flew under the radar. Like I feel like she needs someone banging the drum.

She needs a Jake Paul. Yeah. But she's perfect. She's almost perfect for that kind of sort of nonconformist like Jake Paul is. She's almost perfect for someone like Jake Paul to get behind in the key sir. And I think they would really push her quite well.

I tell you who I'd like to see on the prelims tomorrow. Chi Plugg for our good friends over at MVP. They have a show up in Canada in the six, our friends Wade Plum and Dan Canobio on the call. They have the Canadian Olympian Tamara Thibault. I've never, you talk about her. She's so about her more than I talk about Michael McCauley. I like saying her name, but she is very good. She was supposed to win a gold medal. Okay.

And then she lost in the first round. Nevertheless, She was supposed to win a gold medal. Yes, and she lost in the first round. She lost in the final. No, it was unfortunate. It was a heartbreaker. It was a truly shocking moment. Anyway, I feel like she could be, but they're doing the entire card top to bottom, all women. I wonder how many fights?

I'm guessing it's gonna be about five or six. Nah, I think maybe eight. You know, it'd be very intriguing, the numbers. Cause you know a lot of people obviously said, oh, about 60 odd million watched Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano, but let's be honest, it was in the wiles, people were waiting for Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson.

Now this is the main event. I'm intrigued to see if this goes past 10 or 15, which I think would be an incredible number. But we'll find out. We'll find out how much was, I'm guessing a lot was Jake Paul, Mike Tyson as opposed to how much is Katie and Amanda. 1000%, but I think the byproduct of putting Katie

and Amanda in the co-main event, the next day, I'm sure you experienced this as well, a lot of people who are watching that were like, yeah, I tuned in for Jake Paul, Mike Tyson, but holy crap. They deliver. They were, who are those women? They deliver. How did they do that? How did she fight with that cut?

All that stuff. Like they stole the show. It's what they do. I mean, value for money. I mean, I can't think honestly, and I mean this, I can't think of fighters, male or female, that you know, in terms of when you buy your ticket, what you're going to get, more than Amanda Serrano, okay,

you said when they fight each other. When they fight each other together, you're like, okay, this is gonna go off from the very first round. Like, don't go to the toilet, don't start doing it. This is it from the first minute. You were at that one at MSG, right? I was at that one.

The atmosphere was incredible, half Irish, half Puerto Rico. I said it's the second best. You were at that one at MSG, right? I was at that one. The atmosphere was incredible. Half Irish, half Puerto Rico. I said it's the second best atmosphere I've ever experienced. Behind? Behind Josh Roerenton for a guy called Marissa O'Lara, which ended after a couple of rounds. But that place, it was basically just football fans. Leeds, right? In Leeds, yeah.

It was just frightening. And this one was second because as you say, half Puerto Rican, half Irish. And they were going at each other with their anthem. It was like, this is fantastic. It was so frightening. And this one was second, because as you say, half Puerto Rican, half Irish, and they were going at each other with their anthems. Yes. It was so good. And it was actually kind of fun. I don't know if they'll do it this time, but remember Eddie and Jake were sitting ringside and kind of cheering for their girl. Don't know if that will happen. It made for a fun scene. Yeah, even just the way they were kind of going at each other in the press conferences. I think it's fantastic because Eddie, you know, Eddie's got a bit of wit about him, Jake,

and Jake's a lot different from the Jake that was going back and forth with Eddie this time. He's now a powerhouse, right? So I think those two made the fight as well. And I think it's important that those two are involved again, like professionally. Who do you favor? That's a tough one.

It's close. It's hard. It's so, you know, it's kind of- I wonder what the odds are. Let me, it's weird. You know, although Katie's won twice on the record books, like you must feel like she's a punch away from getting stopped all the time. Oh my God. First round, she almost got stopped. And then she has these powers of recovery that can they, can she continually have that? Um, and I think people need to understand as well, the amount of weight Amanda's given away here, like, I mean, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, she's, has these powers of recovery that can they, can she continually have that? And I think people need to understand as well,

the amount of weight Amanda's given away here. That Amanda's 126, 130, she's 140. She's given away so much weight all the time. So I think I'm going for the hat trick. I've got to, I've got to go for that trick. Katie's a slight favorite. Minus 136, Amanda plus 106. That's close.

No, very close. Swing. Very close. Yeah. And the fight was just announced. Yeah, that could swing. I think you kind of have to lean towards her because she won the first two, although the, the second controversy, the first, I mean, Amanda and her team think they won both.

It really does not get talked about enough. How big of a jump like we, we, we harp on, we'll harp on Crawford Cannello will harp on, uh, Ben Eubank, she is legitimately a one 26 pounder. Yeah. She's gone up and down seven different weight classes. It's absurd. And she's now this, this, this first fight happened

at one 35. She now has to go up to one 40, although for the weigh-ins in November, they were like one 37, one 38, but still that's still a big... Where was she based? Where does she live? Amanda Serrano, New York. Okay, so Katie's got into a back yard twice. Yeah.

One of these should have been in Croke Park. This is embarrassing. The fact that the Irish government can bring the NFL and spend that money to bring the NFL over and considering what Katie Taylor's done for Irish boxing just Irish sport in general for Park boxing for a second just Irish sport the fact that They needed the government's help to sort of finance this croak Park thing and they didn't get it and the NFL and I get it Right NFL trying to populate itself all over the world. I get it, but Come on, what's up with them? I don't honestly I don't know

I don't know there's something something more There's an ulterior motive, but how Katie didn't get the back end to do this at Croak Park All she wants is croak mark. That's all she wants is that fight in Crow Park? 80,000 and I don't know if 80 will turn up but I tell you now more than 60 would it'll be close Oh my god, I think I think if it would have been her first fight back, right? It's definitely done It would have been 80. Yeah, it's definitely done. It doesn't make any sense other than the fact that I know there was some criminal activity and the security and they were like,

eh, we just don't wanna deal with this. But they have since had several shows back in Ireland. Of course, they always have them in Belfast. It is a shame. And you kind of feel like the ship has sailed after this one. They're not gonna fight for a fourth time. I didn't't think would get to Katie Taylor man. It's on a free So the fact that we've got here I'm like surely when I heard that there were rumors about this

I was like and I heard that rumors in the summer. I was okay. This is it then yeah I mean this has to be I mean she's gone to Madison basis. She's gone to America twice to fight Amanda Surely one's gotta be back in Ireland. So I feel sorry for her that she hasn't got her dream. If Amanda wins, do we see a fourth? Yeah. Because like, isn't that the, you know? Yeah, well that means we need to see a fifth.

And then we see a fifth! And then maybe- I do think, I do. I'd rather them fight each other than fight other opponents at this stage. Cause I do think, I do think- You're Chantelle Cameron, you don't like that. No, I think both of them can get beat by other girls. I really do.

I really do. I think I would like to see the Chantelle Cameron fight one more time. They're one one. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Chantelle's a very big 140 pounder.

I saw it that day. By the way, those two fights were tremendous as well. Kate, this is why the quote conversation and Demetri Salita, Demetri Salita tries not to have it and tries to to shut it down. I remember seeing him in the gym and he came up to me and I was like, dude, dude, have you looked at who, this isn't a case of who is the better boxer? All of that can be debated if we want to have that debate as well. But it's a case of who have they fought. Yeah. And it's not Clarissa's fault that she's a 160 or 160 because there's no one out there for her to fight, right? I mean if she was fighting the level of Savannah Marshall every other fight then oh Absolutely, but if you look at who Katie Taylor has fought It's just such it's actually love it is the names on that list and honestly I mean even like named delphin Pursune like hard as nails and then Natasha Natasha Jonas, as you say, Chantel Cameron, Amanda Serrano. She's also undisputed in two different weight classes too. It's crazy. And the fights that she's having with these people, she isn't cakewalking them. She's having to go to the

world every single time when you think, okay, she's done, she's done. And then she seems to find something again. Nah, I'm sorry. Katie Taylor is just for me, she's the quote based off who she's fought. I can understand the argument for Clarissa. If Clarissa had those level of opponents, I think Clarissa would beat them, but she doesn't, unfortunately. You look at the last couple of fights, the heavyweight, I mean, the last lady was what, four and one, five and four and oh, something like that.

No, the heavyweight undisputed with all due respect, is it not real? You know what I mean? And again, this is no Sly and Clar about it. If you don't have the opponents, where you look who Katie's fighting, it's actually remarkable. I do wonder, I do wonder if she wins, could this be it? For Katie? Yeah. Dude, I wanted Katie to retire

after the first Madison Square Garden. I think Eddie did too. Yeah, I was like, this is the perfect way to bow out. Yeah. This is incredible. And then when she lost to Chantelle and then beat her again, I was like, okay, stop. And then when she fought inantel and then beat her again, I was like, okay, stop. And then when she fought in front of a hundred million people on Netflix, I was like, okay.

Yeah, this is it. She's had about four or five opportunities to kind of hang out. This feels like the perfect one. If there isn't going to be a croak park, and if there's no interest in part three against Chantel Cameron, and you win, if she loses, she probably goes back to the well,

but this sort of feels like it. You know what it is though? you know what it is about her? All she likes to do is box. I know. And I don't know her person like that, but I've been around her a few times. All she talks about is fighting. There is no other thing.

It's God and it's boxing. That's it. So as long as she can still box, she's boxing. That's it, honestly. As long as she can still throw her's boxing That's it. Honestly, as long as she can still throw hands with someone she's fighting. There's no stopping her I love the fact that she's one of the most famous people To come from Ireland yet She lives in Connecticut in some sleepy town around like where they probably no one has any idea who she is No, just walks around. I'm gonna probably go sort of shopping. Nobody no one has any it is

I think she loves that and then she could probably go back home and be mobbed and be miserable yeah you know what I mean yeah then there's something about there's a lot about her yeah that's just say a lot about her honestly I love Katie Taylor there's both of them she's fed and about you're right both of them I mean Amanda and this is a bit of a random story I remember when I first one of my first times even meeting Amanda I'd said a couple of things about her polite things and she'd see me her and her manager and they saw me Downstairs, this is just chilling downstairs and they said what you doing? You want to come for breakfast? And I was like me I'm happy to come went for breakfast. I sat down with her for about an hour

She's telling me about her life again. I don't really know her like right right right But she's obviously seen I work for the zone and she's seen a couple of things I've said about her she bought me breakfast I offered to pay but Let me go into a trainer or sneaker store and She's shopping for traders. She's like a date pick a couple of her What what do you mean pick a couple what we doing? She literally bought me like three pairs of trainers. Three! I'm not even joking. Three pairs. And I was like, what we- The American audience trainers. Sneakers. Sneakers. Sneakers. And I'm like,

wow. Hey, I wasn't going to turn them down. I was like, okay, how can I- Nice ones? Like, what are we talking? Travis Scott? You know when you're like, should I go out that way? The ones that got the plastic around them. I was like, I'm going to leave those ones alone. And again, this is, I don't really know of her like that. We don't have that personal relationship, but she just seemed to want to just sort of give out gifts. And I was like, this is incredible. So I love both, you are correct.

Katie, you wanna buy me trainers, Katie? If I can get on your side, I'm happy to take trainers. No, they're like, they're salt of the earth human beings. Oh, wonderful. And actually, Nikisa Baderian, co-founder of MVP, said today that when she makes that walk, Amanda Serrano, she'll be the highest paid female athlete of all time for like one singular event, I do believe. And, and he would know he-

What's that number? What's the Ronda Rousey number? That's the one- He referenced Ronda Rousey and, and her fight against Holly Holm, um, in Australia. In 2015. Yeah. He would know, by the way- He was the guy he was the CFO of the company when this happened what do you think that number could have been I don't think it's above 10 okay but it's in that range that's crazy for someone who by the way back in the day was making like 20k that that that's crazy because I will say this I don't think there I can't think of seven

male fighters that would be making that type of money. You start to hear crazy numbers, which I don't always think are true for Riyadh season, those kind of like, oh, he's making 100, I don't think there are seven male fighters making that. So again, credits are both. And if she's making that,

Katie must be close to that as well. You would think, yeah, you would think. Wanna talk about some other news. Last 24 hours, more news has come out. Uh, the WBC ordering Demetri Bivel to fight David Benavides. I don't hate this. Usually when these things happen, usually when these things happen, you know, it's like, uh, well, it's annoying, but in this case, listen, no one, no one would

be upset if they run it back right away. And I sort of, I sort of kind of feel like that's the direction we're going in, but this is not a bad, this isn't, you know, William Skull has to fight Kenel Alvarez. I know this is the next, this is the next man up. Yeah. And, um, what an incredible fight. How would you feel about it? Because it's not the fight, all the kind of the matchmaking that mean you were

playing, this isn't the one we've said, we said, but Benevides, but Serbian so be well, I just want to benefit us to fight the winner. Yeah, no, I'm writing So I think he deserves it as well. That is the best combo Benevides, but her be of would have been the best combo just because they're just like robots going zombies again It's exciting. I don't think it actually happens. But these days are These situations are the ones that turkey and Dana are trying to get rid of yeah, we're gonna decide You're not gonna tell us who's gonna fight We want but this is almost one where I think they would side with it. Well, yes, this is almost one with okay

We're cool with that as well. Um, I Would prefer to see Bival Benavides, but I think Baterbiev deserves, I mean, as you say, they shared 24 rounds and it's probably 13, 11 or 12, 12. That's how close it is. How can that guy be denied an opportunity to get his belts back? Do you know? Um, but if that weren't to happen because of injuries or whatever, then yeah, Benavides stepping up is crazy. Um, and now obviously there's rumors about, you know, Benavides stopping up is crazy. And now obviously there's rumors about, you know, Benavides stopping or knocking Bivel down and sparring, which I think the guy got wrong when he was on Joe Rogan's

show initially saying it was Bivel that knocked down Benavides, I think he's somehow. Peter Berg, right? Peter Berg, and then he's come back and said, sorry, I got it wrong, it was Bivel. I'm like, how have you got that wrong? That's a big one. Did someone message you in Turkey?

A thousand percent. Yeah, yeah, so all of a sudden that fight has a little bit of saying to it I will say this I do think the two people that we saw fight Recently our heads and shoulders above every other light heavyweight. No, I really do me. Yeah, I honestly I think but a bit of ambivalent Just and I think better videos is a close third But is it's but our tour has how many more fights off? He's 40 and that's why I think he videos is a close third, but is it's but Arthur has how many more fights off? He's 40 and that's why I think he deserves these opportunities Yeah, that's fair because he is that because he is 14 and the last couple of rounds was the first time I actually saw that

He was 40. I'm a good you actually are human. You're 40 I feel like it's give him it now because I don't want him to wait another year and he's 41 gonna be 42 I'm like just let him have that in October or wherever it's going to be. And then Benavidez can take on Callum Smith or something in the interim. Let me ask you this. Mark Shapiro, who's the COO and president of TKO, he said in a investor call last week that they're going to put on these four superfights, the new group, right? And so we all presume that the first one will be Canelo Crawford. Our friend Chris Mannix reported today that they're hoping one of them is AJ Fury, which is going to be interesting because you're

going to have to, to, to play ball with others. You know, Eddie and Spencer Brown and Frank Warren, et cetera. Any of these guys, like I was thinking then is Canelo Bivou big enough. Canelo Bivou? Yeah. Is, is, is Canelo Benavides big enough?

Like I'm trying to think what the four are. If those two are the first two, then that's tremendous. Like if you do Crawford, imagine you do Crawford Canel in September and say AJ Fury in December. Yeah. Then what are the two? Shakur Javante? Shakur Javante, I think Javante is playing ball. I think you play talks.

I think money talks. I think you play ball. I don't know what the numbers are. Yeah big enough. Yeah You don't think it's another Canelo fight because remember he signed a four fight deal So he would be down to two. I do think there's another demographic and another audience You need to try and get and I do think all of it is nothing as a younger audience that I think Shakur and Gervonta get completely different audience. I think I think Any can ever fights a huge one by the way if way, if Canelo beats Crawford, then I mean,

what I'm saying, just retract it. Because then Canelo versus Beville, whoever. What's bigger, Canelo-Beville 2 or Canelo against Benavidez? Canelo-Benavidez. Because that's like kind of the one we've been talking about. That's the one, isn't it? And Benavidez has a way more popular fan base here in America than Demetri Bivou. Only the hardest of hard cores. Yeah, no, and Benavidez, look.

Benavidez is, look what he just did February 1st in Vegas. That arena was packed, T-Mobile Arena. He sold that fight so well. He did all the talking. It was fantastic. I think once you give him the mic, this guy's so comfortable, not every fighter is. Some fighters like to shy and let their manager

or promoter do of it He wants to be the guy in front of the camera. I think he's fantastic. I'm so upset I wasn't able to get him on the stage. Yeah in Saudi to split toys I think he's the same about him. But yeah, look if canada beats Crawford and Then can I know calls for the Benavides fight or somehow turkey makes that fight happen? Oh my lord. Oh My let's say that's number three fight or somehow Turkey makes that fight happen. Oh my Lord. Oh my. Let's say that's number three. What's number four. I wonder what's number four. What's big enough for number four. The winner of AJ fury against someone. I mean, maybe against Usyk. No,

it's too bad. Are we, are we playing super fights in our head? Are we any weight class? Yeah. Then Inoue versus question mark. Bam. Yeah, Inoue would be fun, but not big enough here. Okay. These are like mega, mega, they're trying to get the biggest of the biggest. Then?

Things have to play out and different permutation can come from this fight. Yeah, and by the way, he's been kind of speaking about things like Jaya versus, I know for you it's not big, but I'm talking sort of of speaking about things like Jaya versus, I know this is for you, it's not big, but I'm talking sort of a global audience, like Jaya versus Usyk, like I can't- Say for me, it's not big, Jaya versus Usyk. No, no, you might say they're not American. They're both not American. They're both not American.

That's the only reason I say that. What did Dana White say yesterday? Dana White said yesterday, we are going to focus on building it here in America. What about this one? Oleksandr Usyk? Alex Perreault. You about this one? Oleksandr Usyk? Alex Pereira. You and this Pereira. Okay, so what? A Brazilian versus a Ukrainian? No, maybe one of the biggest stars in the UFC. What are you talking about? The biggest star in the UFC going up against the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

And look, I love Pereira. Every time you get him or I watch it. Yeah It get absolutely get murdered two division champion. No glory To division UFC champion you talking about him fighting one of the greatest fighters that ever exist. There's something there Usyk didn't say that out of nowhere Remember when he was doing that media day in London all of a sudden he's like I got two fights left and one of them Is Alex Perot what you know it is as well with you said I think it's fun fights now at the stage of his career he's probably thinking I did the AJ thing yeah so I become unified I've beaten fury back to back everything now would you respect to anyone stepping up as a step down from those two monumental wins

that's like a big step down so I'm calling it is probably yeah he's really thinking the war I've already beat you. Yeah Parker. Okay, we can do it But there's not much there isn't much heat in it, you know And people not I would like to say but not everyone's screaming for it, but Cody getting knocked out didn't help Right, right. So that all that's kind of now but Cody's down. There isn't much. So you're right. Maybe Whatever maybe but I do think it's more likely job attire. I Do think job at I'm moving up from Cruiserweight to try and become... There's a greater chance of the Pereira fight than the Jaiopatai fight.

There's no upside for him to take that fight. This like super... What is the upside in beating a UFC light heavyweight champion? Why did Canelo Alvarez come literally like 30 seconds away from signing to fight Jake Paul? But no, but wait, so you think there's a lot of money in a Pereira fight? Hell yes there is! Are you some kind of casual? Alex Pereira is one of the most famous fighters on the planet, period!

I love Pereira fighters, don't... Listen, I'm not advocating, I'm just trying to think what the fourth one is. You know these crossover things that we've seen? I think everyone's trying to do crossover UFC vs. boxer. The only one that made sense is the one that made the money. All the others are like, and it's like, I remember when Kamaru was calling that Canelo. I'm like, I think you're underestimating how popular Alex Pereira is. He's very popular. Yeah. But the fact that you say this, right. And you could be true, but as you know, I kind

of dip my toes in the UFC, but quite hardcore boxing. The fact I'm even telling you, no boxing fan, no super errors. I do. You're right. I do. And I followed all of his career since he joined the UFC. And I think he's frightening. By the way, you have to wait until Saturday, by the way. This conversation could end. That's a good point. This conversation could end on Sunday. Me, especially the guy who's saying like, don't put the carpet before the horse. This conversation could end.

Yes, not going to make uncle I. Yeah. But I don't know. So, okay, very quickly then, the four. So, Canelo Crawford, AJ Fury, possible? Definitely possible. The numbers that could be chucked out for that one. That's the biggest financial fight of all of these. And they could be the ones, by the way, Dana could be the one to say, I got it done. You know what I mean? Oh my God. I got it done. You guys couldn't get it done. I got it done. I got the biggest heavyweight fight of all time done. Doesn't have the same cache as it did three years ago, but that's a huge feather in his cap.

Dude, yeah. When in reality it's Turkey's money that got it done, but you know, tomato, tomato. And all right, so then I think the third is Canelo. It's gotta be, so you said America. To kickstart American boxing, it's got to be Givonté Chacu. I'm just, I'm just. It's got to be. You said it, Dana said said America to kickstart American boxing. It's got to be Javontes. You said it Dana said we need to kickstart American boxing. You've got two young kids here. Well young ish. Yeah.

It's Shakur. Because with Shakur you get Crawford, you get Andre Ward and in an ideal world with Javontes you could get Floyd but it won't happen. But you get those two. You get everything. it's the whole package. It has to be. Let me ask the chat, the chat, we're live right now, just a few minutes left on the program. Let us know in the chat right now who you think that fourth fight should be. We both agree on... We both agree on two. Yeah, we agree on two. I think one of the third or fourth fight has to feature Canelo.

Canelo ain't signing up to just be a bit player. Okay, question. What if Crawford wins? Oh yeah, you're right. No, no, I'm serious. No, seriously. Does Crawford stay at 168? What does Crawford do? There's no one to fight at 160. I wonder what Crawford does if he wins. That's a great point. You know, I haven't even pondered that yet. No one has because everyone's been saying Canelo versus Biffle. Because he signed this fourth fight deal. Canelo this and Canelo this. And Canelo fights. Oh really?

Yes. Oh really? You know what, you're a hun- You know what, I have to admit. Really? Well, okay. Then it's the rematch. Then it's the rematch. Right?

And then the rematch is enormous. The rematch is even bigger, yeah. It's enormous, yeah. What are they saying? Canelo- You know what this does do? What the conversation we're having, it shows that there are a number of fighters that seem to be in like this mid-tier or superstardom And there aren't that many big Goliaths

There aren't that many big like oh my god Superstar the fact that we've mentioned can add his name two or three times is being on this list twice says a lot that Boxing needs to push those next guys. All right, you know what I mean? There's about five or six stars. That's it The part of the reason why I'm bringing him up multiple times is just because he signed this four-fight deal there together He's I mean, I still think he's kind of the the global face of boxing I think you think Turkey would want to win because you know Turkey is quite obvious and who he wants to win this fight No, he is isn't it? He's quite like, it'll go and say it. He calls up Fury Nusik and he's like don't screw it up for me

You know, yeah, who do you think you would want to win? Can I go to Crawford? Cause he seems to be very cool with Crawford. Very cool. Yeah. Very cool. My guess is Canelo because of the, the, the big four fight deal. Okay.

And they seem to be, you know, quite close right now. Yeah. That's my guess. Okay. By the way, this weekend, uh, single to my weekend has, has really become. I, I saw today people saying, is this the greatest week in a boxing? Not everything has to be the greatest these days it's a lot of greatest right now was that the greatest card was this but those three fights the three fights on

Friday in Times Square then you got this Canelo card and then you end it with a Sunday night Naoya Inouye card against Cardenas that's not bad it's not bad it's actually incredible you'll have I needed something a bit juicier. So anyway, I need a thing Just a little in new ways not fought here in front of fans. Yeah, I'm gonna say for like eight years Yeah, that fight. I remember it was behind closed doors. So he's not for eight years and This is not I feel like so so bad. I kind of put it on Corrinus. It's not that I just kind of like Anyways fighting here in America. Give me something, give me something. The biggest one possible is probably Nakatani.

Nakatani, which really, that means that should be really in Asia. Yeah. And Akhmedaleev. And they said, again, another one where they're like, two fight deal, we're gonna fight this one, and then the other one in September, they use Beck. But the thing is, Nakatani has to be in Japan.

Like this guy just fought six, seven, eight fights in Japan, and then all of a sudden he has this other guy from Japan and they're going to do it in Las Vegas. There's no chance. You're right. Boxing is a worldwide sport. I think we've seen this more than ever in the last couple of years. Fights in Australia, fights in South, everywhere apart from Africa, by the way.

But we'll get to that another time. In New Wave versus Nakatre in Vegas will be a crime to the sport of boxing. It'd be a crime to the people of Japan who've almost now fully got behind both fighters and both of them are doing arenas and stadiums. For that fight to be anywhere apart from Japan is a crime. By the way, they're throwing out, shout out to the chat, thumbs up to the chat, thumbs up, they're throwing out Garcia Tank at 140. No. No? No, no. Thanks to small.

What about just Garcia tank too? Yeah, that's not bad. It's not bad at all. It's not bad. If that can be, yeah, I get all very, Oh, a rehydration cap. You're right. Just fight fans don't really. I mean, the casual fight fans don't really care about stuff as much as we do. That fight would be enormous. Garcia Haney too. I know the plan they said October,

but this is before we knew about all these other plans. Yeah, Haney too. Yeah, that's a big fight. You know what I mean? That's a very big fight. That is a big fight. That's a very big fight. Especially for America.

Yeah, agreed. That's a very big fight, you know? This one isn't maybe as big, but I really do like the idea of Virgil T's versus Boots Ennis. Oh it's a great fight but it's not on the level. It's not on that level yeah I think Virgil's a star I think honestly I think. And then the big question that we have to ask is like alright Turkey has always said I want all the promoters to to work together I want everyone to be

you know on the same page but will these guys be available Virgil Ortiz is a golden boy guy Boots at least for now isiz is a golden boy guy, Boots, at least for now is a matrim guy. I'm sure they can rent out, hire them out. You think so? Like the good old blockbuster movie days, just hire them out for a couple days. You don't think Oscar will be like,

nah, we're not letting you do that? I think Oscar will be like, what's the number? You can borrow him. You know what I'd love to know, by the way, no one's really brought this up. Tell me if you know the answer. How much did Oscar sell the ring for? What a great question.

You know, it just kind of like happened. Great question. We need to ask him. Yeah. No wonder he looks so good on Tuesday. He's done all that, his face. He done some face thing. I was like, well, how much did that cost?

He's like, yeah, I think quite a lot. You asked him that? Of course I did. Cause you know what? You know what? I saw him. I was like, your face looks good, dude. And I think he showed where his face kind of got messed up. Wait, this is on camera? This is in Saudi.

This is for when life. Oh, got it, got it. Just for when life. Your face. Remember he did it and then I think he... Did you ask him about the abs? Did you touch the abs? No, no, I didn't touch the abs. The abs are incredible. I touched them. You see his video that he put on the private chair? Oh, yeah. Stop it. Stop it with that. He is a legend, but I have to say I do wonder and what a purchase by the way right because like let's be honest the Ring magazine was kind of fizzling off there for the last few years. Online magazine. Yeah. I'm a guy that likes the physical like magazines and it became an online one and I used to buy the Ring magazine a lot in the UK and then it became like it's online. I'm like oh I don't want it anymore. So the idea of it

now being given this push and I always used to go to the ring magazine for the pound-for-pound rankings and then because I that's what I trusted not box record anything like that was what Bible what it would have rings yeah and then it kind of have the old stories the archive stories and I thought the ring magazine was fantastic and then speaking to fight I remember speaking to Sergio and Sergio was on the front cover of the room magazine from when he won contender and he said the idea of being on the ring magazine front cover was as big as winning a world title for him. Like to grace the front cover, so it means a lot, it means a lot but it kind

of did die a little bit. Yeah. Now it's clearly fully rosin. It's a brand new day Adé. It's a brand new day. Look at us, an hour on Tuesday, an hour on Wednesday, an hour on Thursday, ain't no thing. No, this is like what? I could do this. I could do this forever, but I've got a plane to catch. I've got to get back to London. Okay, he's gotta go.

I could literally do this forever. You know, I might just fly here all the time. Every Tuesday, come in, come out. You think I should do it? You could take that 11 PM flight. There's an 11 PM, you could do the show at five. Take the red eye Monday night, you land here. Okay. Early morning.

So how long, so I landed. Your boots on the ground 24 hours. I'll do it, you know. Maybe even less, 20. 20? I mean, the chat, does the chat want it? Does the chat want it? Guys, I do have to let you know if this is your first time watching this special Thursday edition of the program, we are live every Tuesday at 5 p.m. Eastern 10 in the UK doing this exact show twice a week

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