The Ariel Helwani Show - Ariel x Ade, episode 2: Paul vs. Canelo next? Eddie Hearn drops nuggets, more

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

On the debut episode of Ariel x Ade, the duo unite in studio to discuss the biggest topics from the world of boxing.First up, the aftermath of Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, including Tyson's fitness, who Paul should fight next and the event's success on Netflix (03:23).Then, they tackle the fallout from the controversial result of Katie Taylor vs. Amanda Serrano, before talking about the newly announced bout between Tommy Fury and Darren Till, including the madness of their first press conference (24:01).Eddie Hearn joins the show to talk about Katie Taylor's win, give his own feelings on Mike Tyson vs. Jake Paul, and forecast whether Jai Opetaia and Gilberto 'Zurdo' Ramírez will end up meeting (43:56).The pair close the show with a recap of Riyadh Season Latino Night (58:45), who Canelo could fight next, and a reaction to the latest Ryan Garcia news (01:17:37).

Hello everyone and welcome to the very first official episode of Ariel and Ade. Yes, we are finally here. It took a little longer than we expected. You'll recall some dates being mentioned here and there, but we are here. I'm Ariel Hawani. That is Ade Oladipo. Yes. In the flesh This is me This is incredible You actually came in This isn't a hologram This is the real deal

We rarely get to work together Yeah And truth be told Let's just say it Go on You told the brass Yeah First episode

Debut premiere Yeah I need to be in the flesh That's what I said I said look I'm not doing this over Zoom I'm not doing this In my studio

If you want me And Ariel to do this thing I need this thing, I need to fly over. I need to fly over business class. Oh, yeah. I need to be in a nice hotel. Diva la depo. I need a bit of per diems every day. But I'm here.

I'm here. I'm happy to be here. By the way, your setup's incredible. Thank you. I'm so impressed by this. I'm so jealous. This is my favorite part, by the way. Whenever someone comes in here for the first time, they always look around because it always

kind of seems like they're surprised. but also impressed they're impressed i'm impressed and you know what you don't normally see this side so i've got this side right in front of me you don't normally see this side it's this it's this and it's behind me but i am very impressed jealous i'm going to steal some ideas when i get home there's so much i'm going to take from this is your studio as well because this is the official first episode of Ireland. It's an uncrowned production. It's a partnership between us here at uncrowned slash Yahoo sports. And of course the zone,

this is exclusive to the zone right now. And we'll be doing it. That too. We could throw that on there as well. By the way, it's kind of like when like Garcia fights, Haney is like Haney promotions. Like what did Haney do? What did he provide?

You know, like what, he put up one light? So this is going to be going down live every Tuesday I say Tuesday, what do you say? Tuesday Okay, because the Americans say Tuesday And they give me a lot of I'm Chu Chu, Chu, Tuesday

Yeah, I'm happy that there's a fellow Commonwealth member who can say that Every Tuesday at 5 p.m. Eastern, 10 in the UK, two on the West Coast. You and I talking boxing. The week that was and the week that works for both. Is that the ideal time for both? Five and 10? I mean, it's too late.

This is now done. But yeah, do you think that's good? This should have been something. Well, I'm not privy to the discussions. I think it's great. It's prime time over there. It's it's dinner time supper time here and it's lunchtime on the west coast what time is that in nigeria just for my

nigerian followers i've got quite a lot of nigerian followers seven is it seven hours ahead no no no i don't know no no i think it's what time is it i think it'll be 9 p.m nigeria which is perfect oh nigeria is one hour behind the uk yeah i believe so because the time difference i believe so because i've got like quite a few fans no no for sure i mean of course you are you are the king um so this is exciting a lot to get into what a week that we pick to kick things off right i mean coming off arguably one of the the most i don't know most talked about yes that's a that's a good word weekends in boxing history and then a lot in the aftermath so let us get into it here we go come on no more dilly-dallying i can't wait i can't wait because your energy is very interesting your energy is

very interesting so i can't wait it sounds like you're you're here to pick a fight i'm not i was in texas i know on friday you were in riyadh on saturday we will talk about of course what happened on saturday at latino night but the big story this weekend, not just in boxing, not just in combat sports, in sports, forget sports. No, no, no. Supersede sports. In the world. Pop culture. Even more than that.

I can't think of the phrase, but literally just the biggest talking point in the world. Couldn't agree more. They announced earlier today, Netflix did 108 million viewers worldwide, 65 million households, an insane number. Most watched boxing event of all time i need you know is i need someone to like just verify that and i mean i'm going i'm going i'm going with them 108 million do you know the population of england you know i have no idea 57 million people so they're trying to tell me like nearly double the population of england

watch that yeah maybe actually it's well maybe it just seems like a crazy number well that was what made it so special right it was one app it was one place it was one destination to watch all of it and obviously there were issues there were streaming issues buffering was going to be because there were so many people crashing this app at the same time yeah did did antonio brown have like his own live stream going on which got to like did it get like 40 was that i thought it got to like, I think it's like 40. Was that? I thought it got to six. Okay. Six.

Okay. That's crazy. No, it's insane. That's crazy. It got bigger as the week went on. Like when I got there, I was like, okay, I wonder what this is going to be. But then after the slap and then once you're there, it felt really big. And so you have said that I have weighed in on this.

If someone came up to you on Monday and said, all right i i heard that you know mike tyson at 58 fought jake paul like what happened like what do you make of all this now that you've seen it not what do you think of them fighting it's now come and gone now done what is your response it was nonsense i mean the fight itself was nonsense no are we i don't know if you uh you're looking at me like i'm saying no i'm it was crazy it was stupid shouldn't have happened but were you expecting that of course okay that's why i'm not mad at it exactly i'm stupid. Shouldn't have happened. But were you expecting that? Of course. Okay.

That's why I'm not mad at it. Exactly. I'm not, I can't be mad at it. I can't be mad at Jake Paul and MVP promotions. I knew what it was going to be going into it. I'm not stupid. I'm forget the fact it was Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. If you told me a 27 year old spot in a 58 year old,

I said, Oh, come on, this shouldn't happen. It's stupid. So, um, for those of people that tuned in and that we're expecting to see,

forget Mike Tyson, the age, you're never going to see that. But those expecting to see Mike Tyson in the early 2000s, shame on you. Why did you think Mike was going to roll back the years? Right. Having seen no or very little sparring of Mike. Mike was sick a few months ago and Jake's quite good. So I don't know what you expected. I tuned in.

I mean, if you're a hardcore boxing fan, there's almost two sets of fans that tuned in right the hardcore boxing fans i think tuned in for amanda serrano katie taylor and then you stayed obviously for mike because you're intrigued i think some fans tuned in to think mike could beat jake i'm like are you crazy many fans you know what's crazy about those many fans a lot of those many fans included real boxers, like genuine boxers out there. And you know who you are. They were saying, Mike's got a chance. Like, you know, Mike, give Mike four minutes

and you never, what are you talking about? So yeah, I mean, they're saying Jake conned the public and Mike conned the public. No, they didn't. They didn't. You conned yourself if you actually thought that Jake- So this is actually very aligned with what I've been saying. Yeah, well, yeah.

It, to me, what's so surprising to me me and i think i've kind of figured it out to be honest i think i figured it out when i went home afterwards and i saw the outrage and i saw people saying we can't let this happen again we can't get conned again we can't let boxing do this to us again what annoyed me about that was this is coming from a lot of people who i know don't care about boxing yeah they don't watch boxing. They don't follow boxing. They weren't watching Latino night. They're not going to watch Sonny Edwards in a couple of weeks. They're not watching any of this. They don't care. No, but there was some noise from people that do watch boxing and that's, but I don't necessarily care about the ones that sort of dip their toes in and out of the sport once in a while, because they're never going to come back anywhere. No one says, oh,

they will, but no, they don't. They won't. It's the ones that watch boxing that were outraged. I'm like, why are you outraged by all of this? Well, that's just idiotic. You know why? Because A, boxing was seen by 108 million people. Let's just take their numbers at face value. And then even if it's not that number, even it's the 50 million that they're saying,

watch Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano. Do you realize how many more people that is than their first fight? But do they stay? I always wondered this. Do they stay how many more people that is than their first fight? But do they stay? I always wondered this. Do they stay? Do those people, you know, like we say that, right?

Meaning do they stay? Do they stick around? Do they stick around and watch the sport? Do they do that? I'm not sure if it works like that. I've never seen the data that suggests that people that tune in for something like that, watch again. But you're going to get a trickle down effect. Some will stay, some won't.

But no, I'm not mad at the event. I didn't want to see Mike fight at all. And I, you know, I'm not just saying this sort of play a Monday morning quarterback, or I didn't want to be like that. American, I'm in America,

right? I'm in America, but I didn't want to see Mike fight at all. Like, but I don't mind when I see a big event, but I was jealous. I wasn't there. It seemed incredible.

Everyone was there. Like all the superstars from. I was jealous I wasn't there. It seemed incredible. Everyone was there. All the superstars from whatever music, entertainment, sport were there. I'm not mad at it. I don't know if I like the fact that Jake was pulling his punches a little bit. Okay, so that's a good question. Do you feel like he was?

Of course he was. Well, because Dana White the next day said, nah, he wasn't pulling. He's just not good enough. No, no, no. Nonsense. Nonsense. From the first round, Mike's legs were gone. After two minutes of the first round, Mike's legs were gone.

You could clearly see. I think Mike even tripped walking to the ring. I think I saw a little stumble. I was like, oh my God, his legs are completely gone. He was wearing a leg brace. A knee brace. I was like, okay, his legs are gone. So Jake could have hurt him easily.

And Jake clearly didn't really want to. I felt like Jake, from rounds four onwards, when Mike goes back to the corner and he kind of just really grimaces and it's like, you can see it's painful. He's there for the taking. And Jake decided not to take him out. I don't know if I like that or not. Okay, do you think that was his mindset from the outset?

From the very beginning. From the moment this was signed? From the very beginning. He never had any intention of knocking him out? No i think as much as there was the slap jake loves mike tyson like he respects him i mean anyone of a certain age grew up and mike was like god to us and you know they've sat down i think they've been on each other's podcast or at least jake's so there's a huge amount of respect there i don't know if jake's had that for any other opponent we just wanted to knock him out with mike is like you can't knock out mike you can't so he carried him carried him for a couple of rounds you think mike was in on that

no and when i say in on it i don't mean at all that this was rigged or a work or anything like that just with the mindset of like hey this guy's not going to try and knock me out? No, I don't think Mike knew that. I'm not, I wouldn't want to, I don't think Mike, I think if you were to have told Mike that, he wouldn't have fought Jake Paul. I was watching Mike there that was actually doing his best, thinking this guy's going to hurt me and I need to get in shape and I'm ready for it.

I watched a guy that honestly got into the best shape he could at 58 with all the injuries and all the problems of sort of the health issues and was trying his hardest but he would never have gotten the ring knowing that this guy is going to try and carry me and not hurt me it's just not mike is it mike wouldn't do that i think he believes that because when i asked him afterwards you know are you happy he said yeah i'm happy i'm happy that i proved that i can go eight rounds with a younger guy things like that i think his demeanor afterwards to me felt like someone who was very relieved a that nothing went wrong that he didn't get embarrassed that didn't he after yeah i think along those lines so yeah i think he went in there i think after the first round when he realized okay that's it i'm done the tanks run empty there is nothing it was a case of okay

i've just got to survive this i can't get knocked out by this guy that was once doing disney shows but it just it just can't happen it can't get knocked out by this guy that was once doing Disney shows. It just can't happen. It can't. Not in front of my kids, not in front of everyone that is back to me, not in front of all the people that have watched this. I just can't get beat by this guy. So I don't know if he realized Jake was pulling his,

he must know. Mike's been in the ring. I mean, Mike's been boxing since he was a kid. He must know when someone's going full throttle and someone's holding back a bit. And he must know that Jake was holding back a little bit. He must know. And so when people talk about this, they say it's a black eye on boxing, not the event.

Let's just talk about the fight. And you adore the sport. You are watching every week and working, of course. Was that fight a black eye on boxing? Yes. How could you say that? Of course it is. Number one, it was sanctioned.

Let's not forget this. A two minute round. It was sanctioned. Yeah. How is that? How has Mike even passed the health check to get that fight sanctioned? How can you sanction a 27 year old fit, strong guy that can punch with both hands? How are you sanctioning that against the guy that's not fought really for 20 years? mean if we discount the roy jones that's a black eye on boxing the fact that that's

someone the fact that someone can be shown that paperwork and say yeah let's sign that one that's fine we're good to go yeah and i know there were some states who said thanks but no thanks yeah so that's a black eye on the sport already and then and then jake fighting mike's a black eye like why is jake i love jake by the way j you know, I'm a big fan of yours, Jake. And I've said this 110 times. I like what Jake's doing for the sport. I love what he's doing for Amanda Serrano and all the other fighters on the MVP promotions.

Just fight someone your age. I'm not one of those people that say, oh, Jake should be fighting guys that are ranked in the top 50. I'm not stupid. I'm just like, fight someone healthy and young. That's what I'm asking for. Age and size is what people want

because Mike Perry was around the same age as well. And that was his last, but not necessarily his size. How old is Mike Perry? Mike Perry nearly mid thirties? 33-ish, something like that. But I think what people want is age, size, boxer, not MMA fighter. And we saw that once.

Once. We've seen it once. And it wasn't a very good fight. It wasn't a great fight. We've seen it once and it wasn't a very good it wasn't a great fight we've seen it once and that was Tommy Fury and so the people that are asking for this because we have a debate on my show with New York Rick he's the one who always leads this charge saying you know I don't care about Jake Paul the boxer I don't care about Jake Paul versus Ryan Borland or Andre August like those fights people no one watched those fights no like they were barely a blip on

the radar I like the kind of if you like spectacle spectacle type thing but Mike was too far too far Mike was too far I get it Mike's numbers and you said the numbers they're 108 million I get what Mike does it pushes the needle and and you messaged me about Mike's and in terms of sort of a person to speak to and watch he's the most intriguing person probably alive right now. And I get all those things. So I get why he went for a Mike type, but there must be younger versions of that. There are the younger versions of that.

Floyd's probably too small, but Floyd's one. Connor maybe. Connor now who looks around 200 pounds. That's one. Connor's young. Floyd's young-ish. When you're saying Connor,

you mean Connor McGregor. Connor McGregor. Apologies. Yeah. Certainly not Connor Ben. Yeah. I mean, you never know. He'll take the fight. Conor's young Floyd's young-ish That's better When you're saying Conor You mean Conor McGregor Conor McGregor Yeah Certainly not Conor Bennett Yeah I mean You never know He'll take the fight That's more like it

And I don't think people Would be mad at that I think people are just mad That you fought a 58 year old Dude 58 Dude No 100% 58

I don't want to see that again And I've said it a million times When Nikisa Badarian Co-founder of MVP Told me about this on the phone I was like what You guys are I thought you were going down

Like the traditional Sort of boring boxing route. You're going to fight, you know, guys who you fight when you have nine, 10 fights on your resume. And then you say you want a belt. Well, you have to beat those guys

to get to a belt. But here's the thing. No one that's complaining about this, A, knows who Jai Opetiah is, or B, is even watching Jake Paul versus Jai Opetiah because to them, Jai Opetiah is the same

as Ryan Borland, right? Yeah, I'll get you. You know what I mean? mean yeah and so the question then is if you're mvp if you're jake if you're nikisa what do you do like if you're nikisa right now and you're sitting down with jake you're in puerto rico okay what's the next move how do we not necessarily top 108 million but how do we then use this to then cross over another bridge well he's kind of played around with both hasn't he yeah because again he's fought the quote-unquote professional boxers and they'll look at the numbers and they're like okay these just do not tick the box and then he's fought the mma guys or formal nba players and

they've done well so there needs to stay down that route but he also says he wants to become a world champion so i don't know how you shuffle this i don don't know what you do. I feel like he's taken his foot off that particular gas and has now just, I don't feel like it's a thing he talks about as much. Here's what I believe right now. And I'd love to get your take on this. And please let me preface this by saying, it's not something I'm campaigning for or necessarily think should be next. But I really do believe that the Canelo fight is a real thing.

A real thing. I'm not talking about like, I wouldn't. A real thing when? Very soon. I think it is. Well, you know, you need to. I would not be shocked in 2025 if that's a fight that happens. You're crazy.

Okay. Absolutely crazy. You don't think Jake wants it? No. What? Jake would want Canelo? Absolutely. No, no, no, no, no.

Jake would want Canelo. Have we not seen the back catalog of dangerous people that is full and the age of them? To him, it's a bucket list. You think he's going to fight Canelo? It's a bucket list. Plus, he'll have the size advantage. Canelo will whoop him. Doesn't matter.

Most likely. No, no, no. But no, no, there's a whooping and there's hurting in him. Okay. Canelo will hurt him. Will Canelo sign up for this? Yeah. One million percent.

Canelo would. So you actually believe that it's more like- I think it's the other side. I think Jake would want to wait that out a couple more years. He's the one who brought up Canelo. Yeah, but he's brought it up just to see

for us to do what we're doing now. I think Jake would fight Canelo, but I'm thinking more like three or four years down the line. I don't think he'd fight- 2020? Next year?

Canelo? No, Canelo would hurt him. Why can't you do- Canelo versus Jake Jake I don't know if it does as well as far as attendance but at AT&T Stadium on say sells out on Netflix sells out it's maybe not as big but it's pretty damn big no it's because everyone will be like this is the one this is the guy to shut him up this is the guy to knock him out finally I don't I'm guessing Nikisa's watching this and jake's watching this and they

were like coming at it i don't think jake would want to fight canelo next year wow i think jake would want to fight him he's called him out a few times in the last few years but not this version of canelo that's still healthy still young can be big as well if he wants to be canelo walk around about 200 pounds and boils down to 168 canelo would wreck him and it'll break him in half okay so who does he want to fight if you're a team mvp right now who are you booking him against in 2025 who's the next fight against conor mcgregor really well first of all but that's never going to happen why well conor mcgregor fights for the ufc the ufc hates the kisa and jake paul he's when does conor when does conor's contract more fights it'll never happen this is this is

fictional there's a much better chance of Canelo happening. Canelo can happen tomorrow. He's not tied to anyone. They can make the deal with PBC or whomever. Do you think Canelo would answer that call? One million percent. Canelo's in the money-making business. Canelo's also in the...

He's in the prize-fighting business. He's also in the legacy business as well. He's in the legacy business. I'm doing this for Uncle Mike. I'm doing this for Mike Tyson. I'm doing this for Mike. The same thing Ryan Garcia is trying to pitch now. Yeah, the same thing everyone's doing.

So how do you feel, by the way, when you see Artur Beterbiev, Daniel Dubois, Ryan Garcia, all these guys now trying to pick a fight with Jake Paul? You know what? This is prize fighting, Ariel. And the biggest prize in boxing isn't the belts, it's the money. Plus, if you're Baturbia, you've won, you've become undisputed.

You're 40 years old soon. Okay, just give me the fights that are going to make me the biggest paycheck in the world and the easiest work. They weigh up risk-reward. There is no disrespect to Jake. Again, there is zero risk

in Baturbia fighting Jake. The reward is, I mean, you're getting paid 25 million. And Daniel Dubois is probably thinking, dude, this is a round. This is half a round of boxing. Ryan Garcia is actually quite interesting, you're getting paid 25 million. And Daniel Dubois is probably thinking, dude, this is a round. This is half a round of boxing. Ryan Garcia is actually quite interesting. Why?

Because Ryan's smaller. Yeah. Ryan's smaller. And Ryan will sell it. Like Ryan will be, Ryan fight will be bigger than, I would argue, this is going to,

you call me crazy. I think a Ryan fight could do bigger numbers than a Canelo fight. Call me crazy. No, he will sell it. Call me crazy. No, he will sell it. Call me crazy. It's just like, how big can Ryan get?

170? Yeah. How big does he need to get? Okay, 170 versus 200? Easy. There's got to be a difference when a guy is fresh and young and a professional boxer. You've got to equalize it somehow. And size is the equalizer.

Who's sanctioning that? Anyone? You think so? Yeah. But that's like going over like eight different weight classes do it yeah you know is that's a bigger black guy than the tyson fight no it's not you're crazy you're crazy but i mean that's a pretty big jump there's weight classes for a reason now obviously the offset is ryan you could say they're both light heavyweights right so as long as jake comes in

under 200 he's a light heavy and if you know me you can do light heavy he can almost be in that light heavy he's not he's below the cru. You know what I mean? He can do light heavies. He can almost be in that light heavy. He's not, he's below the cruiserweight limit. So you could almost do it like that. But Jake's got options. But I think it's an interesting one. I still think he wants to go down the route

of becoming a world champion. I still think he wants to go down that route. But I also think he knows he can't be a world champion. I think he knows deep down after the Tommy Fury fight at war. Jeez, I know that's a couple of years ago, but I think he knows there are levels to this.

There are levels. Is he not better than he was back then? I think he's improved a little bit. Yeah, but how's good Tommy? No, that's fair. But I think he has improved a little bit just by virtue of stepping through the ropes a couple more times, four more times.

Has he fought anyone better than Tommy Fury since? As far as pure boxing? No. He's gone backwards in terms of actual levels. Is there a reason for that? You know him better than tommy fury since so in terms of your boxer no yeah he's gone backwards in terms of actual levels is there a reason for that you know him better than i do is there a reason since the tommy fury defeat that he's gone backwards in terms of level of opponent i don't think it's because of him trying to shy away he's he's jumping around looking for the biggest sort of money fight so nate diaz is a big time fight. Yeah. Who would have, you know,

who would have criticized him for that? Yeah. Initially. I don't think anyone did. Okay, this makes sense. And then he went through those couple other ones. Yeah. And now we know in retrospect,

those were just a bridge to get to the Tyson fight. The Tyson fight gets delayed. Oh, Mike Perry's going to do it. A lot of people had convinced themselves. I didn't mind that, you know. The bare knuckle guy. I didn't mind it. I mean, I watched Mike in BKFC. I used to watch Mike in UFC. I didn't mind it. you know. The bare knuckle guy. I didn't mind it. I mean, I watched Mike in BKFC.

I used to watch Mike in UFC. I didn't mind it. I was actually surprised. How poor he did. Yeah. I was a bit like, whoa, okay. That shows how good Jake is now. And so isn't this the greatest indicator that Jake Paul is good for boxing?

Because people like to make the argument that he is bad for boxing. Number one, you have stars and legitimate champions like Artur Berubeev, Daniel Dubois. I know Garcia isn't a Dubois. I know, I know Garcia isn't a champion, but you know, legit talented fighters asking to get that lottery ticket. That's what they want. They want the payday.

And then you have Carl Froch begging for it. You have Tony Bellew. These are the ones. See now, see now, finally, how long has it gone? 20 minutes.

You finally got into the realm of real fights that I want to see him fight. Okay. Tony Bellew, Carl Froch, Andre Ward. Can I tell you something right Okay. Tony Bellew, Karl Froch, Andre Ward. Can I tell you something right now? Tony Bellew, and I like Tony a lot. One side of his mouth says, this is a sham. Other side of his mouth took a payday to fly from the UK to Texas to sit there for one minute of camera time.

Guess what? The betting company that paid him ain't paying him to crash any other press conference. So you have to at least acknowledge that you are all trying to take from him. Now, the other thing is, he was in... Him being good for boxing, I mean... And boxers, and boxers. And the other thing is, much love, Tony, much love.

He was sitting there. I was doing the press conference. Not a soul knew who he was. And I'm just... In America, in Texas? I didn't know who he was. Tony Bellew? He was in Creed Yeah okay

Two Creed movies They probably know him more from that Than his actual fighting days That he fought Usyk The point is Tony Bellew versus Carl Frotch Does nothing Or Carl Frotch

Does nothing in America You acknowledge that yes Okay Come on Carl Frotch Okay Andre Ward Andre Ward is a fantastic fight Would he fight Andrere ward do you

think jake yeah i know andre would do it would jake fight andre ward seven years out of the ring he's an old man now he's in his 40s he's not he's an old man he's in tip-top shape yeah but he's old yeah but would he fight andre ward maybe down the line here's the thing does andre bring the juice does he bring the heat bring some juice i love on some heat i think it's more heat than brandon whatever that guy's name he who's the guy that he fought the boxer that ryan borland it brings more heat than of course but those were just like cupcake fights okay i think people would respect jake so much and i by the way i respect jake but i just want to get that out there i think they will respect him so much if he were to fight.

Andre Ward. More so than Canelo. Cause the general public knows Canelo way more. Canelo is easy. You know why? It's a, it's a, it's a win-win. Cause he's smaller. No, it's a win-win because everyone expects you to get knocked out completely in the first couple of rounds by Canelo as would happen with Andre Ward, because

he has been retired for so long and Jake's a lot bigger. The one I really want to see is Jake Paul versus Christiane Emily. I'm just trying to pop you again. We can talk about this for hours. And ultimately, this is why I love it, this topic, and why I think it's ultimately good for boxing. Because A, every single boxer or fighter or MMA guy or whatever has profited off of Jake, um, and gotten maybe their biggest payday.

Everyone's talking about boxing on this week after it's a barbershop debate. I've never seen so many fighters, ex fighters, current fighters call out a fighter after a win. I've never seen it. Like any, I've never seen it. Every different weight class.

It's a beautiful thing. And no one has benefited and profited in a good way more. So then Amanda Serrano, Amanda Serrano was fighting for 20K before she met Jake Paul and Nikita Bidari. Here she is fighting Katie Taylor on the biggest stage ever in an all-time classic. And I'll be honest with you, like the next day when I came back home and I'm at my kid's soccer game, the parents are coming up to me, not really to talk about Jake and Mike, to talk about the heart, the will, the determination that both of them showed, the cut, all that stuff. I mean, that was a war. The first fight was a classic. The second, the 20 rounds that they've shared have been incredible. And so that fight, you know, the promotional game, you know, the politics, those two couldn't have been

further away from each other. You know what I mean? One's fighting at 126. The other one's fighting at 140. Their two promoters hate each other but netflix and this stage brought them together you saw the fight obviously yeah who won amanda by one amanda 96 94 and that's including the point deduction do you agree with the point deduction yeah the heads were coming in quite a lot from kate was she doing it on purpose no i don't think she's doing it on purpose. I think when Katie just sees red and rage, you know, it's funny with Katie because she's so nice. She is so nice.

I mean, you know, she's praying before the fight. She's the most God-fearing fighter I've ever known, by the way. But once that red mist descends, it's win by any means possible. And she just scraps. That's what it is.

She just scraps. Sometimes the heads will come in. And remember, it's well, it's a Southpaw versus an Orthodox. So there is that case of feet are just going to cross over and remember it's well it's a Southpaw versus an Orthodox so there is that a case of feet are just going to cross over sometimes

and there's going to be a bit of imbalance there but I don't think she did it on purpose but I do think Amanda won I thought Katie

won the first fight I thought Amanda won the second fight I want to see a trilogy I feel so sorry for Amanda that she's done 20 rounds with Katie

and obviously she's got paid but she hasn't got any W next to her name it's almost like the rounds were so close they were so good it was so action packed and she hasn't got any W next to her name it's almost like the rounds were so close they were so good it was so action-packed and she hasn't got anything to show for it apart from a severely bad eye now which is by the way that cut was horrendous yeah it was

any other fight card in any other place in America in the UK right off yeah it's fights off immediately so um yeah look I'm happy for both I yeah, look, I'm happy for both. I'm happy for Katie. I'm happy for Amanda. And by the way, that's another thing. Because people don't understand the weight classes, because in the ring they kind of look the same size, I don't think people understood, and it wasn't really told well, I don't think, on commentary,

that this is a girl from 126 pounds fighting a girl at 140, basically. Like, Amanda's given up so much weight here. So much weight. But, yeah, she's still scrapped. And that the first one was at 35, which i kind of hated that this one was at 40 so there were a couple things working against her a the extra five in the end it was like three that was kind of a weird thing i'd love to know what they weighed on the night yeah because katie does look quite thick and amanda's quite lean and yeah muscular so i think katie had a more even a bigger advantage on the fight night as well do you think if either of those fights had three minute rounds that Toronto would have stopped her?

Because you can make a case in that first round. It was getting super dicey there. The thing is with Katie, and this is not me just sticking up for her because, you know, her matrimonial. Yeah. Every time she looks like she's either going to go down or get wobbled. She somehow has this bit like Tyson Fury, but he does go down. She has this power of recovery where she always stays on her feet. Like there's so many times in the first fight and the second fight,

even Chantel Cameron was like, Oh, she's getting knocked out here, but she doesn't get knocked out. She doesn't get knocked down. So I don't know. I don't know. I do think,

um, there's been a lot of talks about 12, three minute rounds. It's too long. There's something magical about the two minutes and the burst of speed. I do love, of course, the equal opportunity. In MMA, there was once a time where women were fighting three-minute rounds it probably is it is no I don't think it is I don't think they go at the pace they go at yeah if it's three minutes I think they almost do what guys do where they kind of circle each other for the first minute and then the last 20 second clap and then they

go crazy I think you do 12 twos 12 I think you do 12 twos I do think there needs to be when it's a championship fight I do think you need 12 twos you need to separate just a normal female fight from a title female fight. That's a fair, I think 12 twos is okay. Cause that's another four minutes. I think asking them to go 12 freeze as opposed to 10 twos, 10 twos is 20 minutes, 12 freezes, 36 Williams go nearly double doubles crazy. Like is this, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's not fair. It's not fair. And if you're going to go that pay and they seem to be very happy with their pay i should let the public know that in about 15 minutes time uh katie taylor's promoter the great eddie hearn of matchroom will be joining us we can ask him some of these

questions because i do believe that unless there's another netflix event this fight ain't happening the third fight yeah i mean there's been talks for years about fight ain't happening. The third fight. Yeah. I mean, there's been talks for years about Croke Park. Croke Park is like the unicorn in the sky. Hey, Amanda, Katie, Connor, Jake. That's how Croke Park gets done. Because you need Connor. You need Connor.

I swear to God, you gave me chills. But it's not- Connor, Jake, Amanda. UFC is not offering up Connor McGregor. Imagine the Jake. Because obviously Tyson was a bit, I don't really want to talk. But imagine Conor versus Jake. Magic.

Team Ireland versus Team MVP. It would be magic. But it won't happen. Why? Dana White hates Nikisa. Like it's, hates Jake. Like it's, for those that don't know, Nikisa Badarian, who's the co-founder of MVP, was once the CFO of the ufc and and and when

the ufc was sold in 2016 to endeavor nikisa was part of that deal and and as the story goes dana didn't really get along with him and didn't really love his involvement in the deal when lorenzo fortita left the ufc nikisa went with him so he departed and then started this um you know this this promotional company with jake and and there's a part of dana that this, um, you know, this, this promotional company with Jake. And, and there's a part of Dana that kind of feels like, you know, this guy's taking our secrets. He's trying to come up against us. He's talking about fighter pay and all this other stuff. Like, Hey, you're, you're, it's a little bit too much.

I wonder if Nikisa then was a bit like Jake kind of rein it in a little bit, you know, when Jake really went for Dana. I wonder if Nikisa was like, Oh, one second. Don't. I just think that story had kind of run its course. Like that fight of pay and stuff. just like oh one second don't i just think that story had kind of run its course like that few jake versus mma jake versus the ufc jake versus dana kind of ran its course but i would love to see it if it's not amanda three and i i i wonder if it happens next there is a part of me that

wouldn't hate the idea of amanda excuse me of katie retiring no i've wanted katie to retire since the amanda one yeah she's taken a lot of damage. Amanda, Chantel, Chantel, Amanda, those four fights alone. Yeah, I mean, Delphine Pursun was brutal. Natasha Jonas was tough to watch as well. Delphine Pursun twice.

Those fights, she took way too much punishment. And there's always, you know what it is? I can understand why a fighter wants to go out on a high. Madison Square Garden was the high of all highs

when you beat Amanda. That was it. I mean, it was full of Irish in there, Puerto Rican, it was fantastic. Then, okay, cool. And then you lose to Chantel and then you get the get back. Okay, that's the perfect place to go out.

And now you beat Amanda, 70 million or whatever, what? That's the perfect place to get out. I think Katie's 38. She would have made a lot of money, hopefully in the last three or four years under Eddie and now MVP. When's the time to say enough's enough? 38 she would have made a lot of money hopefully in the last three or four years under eddie and now mvp when's the time to say enough's enough and honestly i don't understand because there's

going to be so many young hungry girls coming up people have been talking about alicia baumgardner potentially and i'm like i don't want to see it like you've done what you needed to do her cv is solidified um i remember you had dimitri salita here and he was arguing for clarissa shills as being the quote and although clarissa probably is from a from a just a standpoint of who's the better boxer katie's cv just smashes everyone's to pieces everyone she is the quote 100 so um she can go out as the best female fighter of all time i think the longer she stays obviously she risks losing um and i just want her to she can go out as the best female fighter of all time. I think the longer she stays, obviously she risks losing. And I just want her to kind of go out of all her faculties and place. I think she's great for the sport.

I think she should stick around as well. And she should almost be the ambassador for female boxing forever. I don't think she's interested in any of this right now. She ain't interested in any of that. No. She's Irish. Of course she wants to fight. She gets mad at you when you even start bringing up retirement.

Yeah. And if she gets mad, you know there's a problem because she doesn't get mad. Right. And look like start bringing up retirement. Yeah. And you know, if she gets mad, you know, there's a problem because she doesn't get mad. Right. Um, and look, she makes a lot of money.

And you know, the worst thing about boxing in general is that the fighters make the most money when they're past their best. But this isn't Katie Taylor. When she came out of the Olympics, that Katie Taylor, I mean, different,

whole different level. She's slowed down a bit. She takes a lot more shots now. Um, so it's almost like, but I'm making so much money now they're paying me much more than i got paid five years ago so i'm gonna stick around it's the same thing for aj and fury and usic and wilder wants to come back so she's might she might have that

problem as well the checks are too big to call it quits yeah and uh people hate when i bring this up but do you know why the checks are so big? Why? Because of Jake Paul That first fight I know people say, oh you're shilling I'm not shilling, I've never gotten paid by MVP I don't work for promotional companies No I do not This is the thing

How long were we talking about Amanda and Katie? For all those years It only happened once they came along At MSG of all places And this one only happens because of the Netflix opportunity. And so I just think, don't be haters. Give credit where it's due. No, no, no.

Hey, hey. One thing I've always said to you, I've said it, like, and I've spoken to Amanda. Amanda's been kind enough to take me out for breakfast. And she spoke to me about sort of the predicament she was in before Jake. Yeah. And it now. And I salute Jake for what she's done. Sorry, what he's done for Amanda.

Because I love Amanda Serrano. And she deserves to get everything she's done sorry what he's done for a man because i love amanda serrano and she deserves to get everything she's getting now everything and then some so i love jake for what he's done for female boxing and if it's a case of you know he's helping katie make more money then so be it but i think for katie because i love her so much health as well oh 1000 both of them by the way amanda and katie are taking a lot of punishment that was her 51st pro fight amanda serrano and katie's been boxing katie used to spar guys yeah used to spar dudes no what i was saying there was just kind of putting a bow on it all the idea that all this is bad for boxing is hogwash because what was the biggest issue at least for me for many

years was there would be a massive fight like what was the what was, at least for me, for many years, was there would be a massive fight. What was the chief support for Mayweather Pacquiao? No one remembers this shit. I think I'll see it. I can't remember. I think it was if I see it. But the point is, it would always be the top two guys and nothing below. And look what happened Saturday.

The chief support, or Friday, the co-main event outshined going in. And it outshined coming out. Because all the hardcore boxing people said please like come a little early come an hour early and watch these two and i say this i know you're putting a bow on it which basically means add a shut up we're moving on yes yes i will say this all the fighters that fight on the jake paul cards i think people should ask them if jake's bad for boxing and every single one of them would say absolutely not because they're getting paid they getting paid straight away their social media is going up the people following them is going up i mean ask barrios yeah that fight there was crazy incredible and they're getting paid so um you're right and

these are traditional boxers they're not influencers they're like yeah these are real boxers so maybe maybe you are right maybe i need to apologize to jake and to me as well uh let us let us move along and talk about uh the big news of the day as far as boxing is concerned and we're not trying to do this but it is an influencer type of fight it's the the rival of mvp it's misfits they had their press conference today for the they kind of are the rivals aren't they in a way but they're occupying very different spots right now into that in a moment but let me just set up that uh darren till and tommy fury had their kickoff press conference January 18th. Ordinarily, perhaps, if you're not here, you might have been there.

This is happening January 18th at the Co-op Live Arena in Manchester on DAZN pay-per-view. It's another X-Series Misfits event on DAZN. We were there in October of last year when it was KSI Tommy. Now it's KSI promoting Tommy, and he's really sticking it to him. I'm paying you.

This is what happened. In case you missed it, it popped off earlier today between the Furies and Till you want an empty yet Ayo 6pm baby Get your tickets Okay so there it is KSI with the plug On the back end You've been there before When John Fury

Pops off What is that like Being in that spot He's crazy Because he's so big And it's actually Quite intimidating Because I don't know There's part big and it's actually quite intimidating.

Because I don't know, there's part of me that's like, okay, is he like a WWE manager where this is all fake? Or is he going to actually really go for someone? And when the rage sets in, I mean, I was there when he headbutted Alexander Usyk's, I don't know, member of his team. So he's for real. So you don't know if he's joking or for real. So I just stay away. I'm not one of those people to get involved. I'm like, okay, one second. I don't get paid enough, so I step back. Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? I mean, I don't know if he's joking or for real so I just stay away like I'm not one of those people to get involved I'm like okay one second I don't get paid enough

so I step back yeah of course you know what I mean I don't get paid that much so I find it quite scary but Darren Till is a former UFC fighter he's not like me

he's hard he's like really tough and he clearly wanted some I mean if you're a UFC fighter I think they always take the Mick UFC fighters don't they or MMA fighters

if they're at press conferences they know they can beat everyone up so they know it don't they there's no like in god we said it's a fury like you're lucky there's rules here right and i think darren's knowing that well like john you're big and tommy you're big but i will beat both of you up and he's confident about it i love it what's your level of interest in this fight so big i've already asked ma'am said if i can be involved serious i'm not joking i thought you were taking the i'm not joking go to my twitter page really i said that ma'am this is gonna be crazy can i get involved So big, I've already asked Mams 10 if I can be involved. Serious? I'm not joking. I tweeted it. I thought you were taking the piss. I'm not joking. Go to my Twitter page right now.

I said that, Mams, this is going to be crazy. Can I get involved? Okay, why? Because I'm surprised, Mr. Traditional Boxing. You know what it is? Well, I just like big events. Yeah. I've just realized it's that for me.

I just want to be around big events. You do some small events. When I saw you in Dallas, I was like, this is enormous. I want to be there for those big ones. So yeah. And there'll be 20 for those big ones. So yeah. And there'll be 20,000 there plus. And what do you think? Like,

this is very much a UK grudge match, if you will. Tommy, a Manchester guy, it was sold out. And, and obviously there was Logan Paul on that card and whatnot, but I was blown away by the crowd.

That's the only Misfits event that I've ever been to. And they were there early and they were young. Yeah. It was like a WWE crowd. It was like 12 year old kids there, which blew me away, but speaks to the um the connection that they have with the audience this is at the co-op live and it's manchester versus liverpool yeah do you think they saw it out very close to it it's a big deal it's a big deal it's a big deal i don't know how many

people in the uk moms might hate me saying this apologies moms no darren till they know tommy obviously tommy you don't think they know darren till i don't people in the UK Mams might hate me saying this apologies Mams know Darren Till they know Tommy obviously Tommy you don't think they know Darren Till I don't know we know Darren Till I mean the MMA audience

so now you're drawing in the MMA crowd maybe so but I think because of what he did in the press conference today even if you don't know him you're like oh my god who's this crazy

he fought for a UFC title I mean he was a UFC star they pushed him 0-2 no you're not impressed remember you've seen the age demographic at some of these sort of misfits events. It's not necessarily the same demographic as a UFC event. That's fair.

They're a bit younger. So I wonder if the younger audience, I'm talking, I don't know, the 13 to 20. I don't know if that's the audience that Mams gets for these misfits events. I wonder if they know who he is. But they will now. That's why you need a good press conference. And I think the press conference there has really got everyone pumped. So is Tommy Fury just like a full-on influencer boxer now?

I have no idea what he's doing. I think he's decided, like, you know what? I can get bags of money fighting guys that don't fight professionally. So why stick? Do you think he's done with it? He's done with it. Are you disappointed? Very. Why? Because you think he could done with it? He's done with it. Are you disappointed? Very.

Why? Because you think he could be better? I just want to see. I actually just want to see if he can compete. He's a cruiserweight and we've got so many good cruiserweights. How good are you? He's come from boxing stock. This isn't someone that took up the sport like AJ at 18.

He's been boxing for a long time. Are you going to take this thing seriously? Are you going to really fight? And he's obviously said no he said no not verbally by by the people he ever goes back absolutely not really why would you go back how much did he get paid to fight ksi millions right it's probably going to get a good seven figures to fight darren till how much is he going to get paid to fight someone for the Southern area or Central area title or British title? What's the point? 50 grand?

Why am I risking getting beaten up for 50 grand when I can beat up a couple of YouTubers for a million? So again, it goes back to the money, right? It goes back to... Everything goes back to the money, Ariel. Why do you think I'm here? You think I'm here for free? You think they're just floating me out and paying me a pound? But the point is people are profiting off of whatever this is if

you want to call it influencer boxing and all that stuff and he's one now not everyone can do this right not everyone can be no you've got to have the i mean yeah i mean well everyone can but you're not going to get paid is he as big of a deal still tommy yeah he's massive is he still love island that still sticks with you it's not just that it's obviously he's i think ex-partner now fight with ksi people are still injured he fight with jake paul like by the way he's stock has grown fighting those guys as well yeah it's almost like the highlander effect right you beat them you take their power remember that movie yeah yeah remember do you really i've heard of it i'm not a big movie guy wow so anyway highlander he chops your head off

you get the power i think he's beat ksi he's got get the power. I think he's beat KSI, he's got a bit of KSI's following, he beat Jake Paul, he's got a bit of his following. And both of those guys still call him out. Oh, yeah. Both still call him out. Well, the thing is, I feel like Jake has kind of moved on a little bit. I mean, at least he tried to... Didn't he call... If Tyson didn't come through, would it not have been Tommy?

Am I wrong? Did I not hear that from Jake? Tommy has a bit of an issue coming to the United States. We'll leave it at that. But I would like to say this, and I'd love your take. To me, if I could pick one, like we were talking about, I still would love to see the Jake KSI fight. Do I feel like it's fizzled a little bit?

Absolutely. But what is so great about it is it feels authentic. Like they truly hate each other. The thing is, KSI isn't the name here that he is where you're from. So that fight almost has to be at Wembley. Does Jake take that? Yeah. Jake would travel.

I don't know if KSI, A is too small. Jake's enormous. At this point, he's getting bigger. He weighed 228, but that was because he put on 200. Yeah, but you can just go up and down and weigh like that. So he can just go back down to 200. He can just drop 30 pounds. He was just at 200

against Mike Perry okay so even 200 pounds I mean KSI KSI against Tommy I think KSI was like 170 something so the difference and not only that by the way

I think the difference in boxing's grown as well I think Jake's he's gone better he's far too you think we ever see that fight we should

if we don't then it's a shame that fight breaks the internet the internet that fight breaks the internet. The internet. That fight breaks the internet. I don't think people understand,

especially American people, how big KSI is. Maybe just outside of America, but everyone else. I mean, he goes to Australia and people sort of mob him. He is so famous. And then, obviously, you get Logan Paul involved. You're going to get that...

Show Speed. Speed, what's his name? I show Speed. Oh, show Speed. You're going to get him involved. Come on, don't pretend like you don't know his name. I kind of do. Don't pretend. I kind of do. You're going to get everyone involved Speed. Speed, what's his name? I Show Speed. Oh, Show Speed, you're going to get him involved. Come on, don't pretend like you don't know his name. I kind of do. Don't pretend.

I kind of do. You're going to get everyone involved. It'll be enormous. Kai Sinat. I know him as well. Yeah. He does the streaming thing. This is all my kids watch.

Yeah, you watch it as well. Nah, I think it's crazy. It's literally a guy at a computer. I think I Show Speed is the greatest. He's out of his mind. I think he's fantastic. As far as he's not had him on here. He says he wants to fight Jake Paul. had him on here he says he wants to fight

Jake Paul Aisha Speed he says he wants he said he said he doesn't think Jake can fight Aisha's too big for him he says he doesn't think

Jake can fight he said give him I think he said a few months everyone calling him out clearly he's an athlete though you know oh come on he runs and he jumps over cars

he's not an athlete what can you do he does the suey what can you do I was a I was a Canadian Jewish Olympic basketball champion I didn't know I was a Canadian Jewish Olympic basketball champion.

I didn't know that was a thing. Speaking of athletes, let us say hello to the very first guest in the history of this program. We asked for a whole bunch of people and they said, no, it has to be bigger. And I said, well, I don't know. I don't want to shoot for the moon, but you know what they say, Ade? Go on. Shoot for the moon, land among the stars. And moon land among the stars and we have a star and we have a star we have the man himself the founder of matchroom boxing or at least the face of matchroom boxing there he is and he's so busy he has to join us from the car eddie i mean this is our debut episode you couldn't

be bothered is that really what we're doing no when when they told me it was at 10 45 i was like i'll have my pajamas on i'll be ready to go to bed and i had to go and film a tv show tonight but i still made it happen in the car i nearly hung up when you were debating about i show speed fighting someone um but i'm still here well we appreciate you taking some time out uh it's very very kind of you let us get into it because we were just talking about the Tommy Fury, Darren Till press conference that turned into a whole mess of a situation earlier today. You've been at those before. Just your thoughts on this matchup and the direction that it appears as though Tommy world to be honest with you. I think it's commercially an interesting matchup. I think, you know, Tommy Fury is a big name.

Darren Till is a great personality. You know, you've got a guy that's not really good enough to be a professional boxer at a championship level against the UFC fighter that has, you know, the boxing fundamentals. So I think in respect of the match-up i think it's quite an even match-up in all honesty i do worry about darren you know in terms of

keeping his composure in the ring um if things don't go his way but certainly from a misfits perspective i don't mind it because i think you know it's leaning more towards the world of professional boxing than the world of social media and yeah for me i you know it's as a kind of appreciator of misfits but not really a a fan or a viewer of misfits i like the matchup because i think you know there is some form of skill involved from a boxing perspective that is such a good like politically correct answer from eddie hernandez honestly it's honest though like i don't if it was if i didn't like it i'll just tell you i didn't like it but i don't hate it because you know like tommy fury's gone out he's beaten ksi he's beaten jake paul you know he's had some professional fights and and darren till is a personality he's had some professional fights and Darren Till is a personality.

He's a fighter. And I do think Darren has been training in boxing long enough with Joe McAnally and those guys to have the credentials and the ability to be more than competitive

in a fight with Tommy Fury. So in that respect, I don't mind it. All right, Eddie, let's talk about something that I know you do like and do want to talk about and that's Katie Taylor,

victory over Amanda Serrano. I've been lucky enough to be ringside and see you get emotional when your guy or girl wins. I've never seen you that emotional, like ever. That there was you like taking it to another level. Why so much emotion? Well, loads of reasons, really. I mean, firstly, it was such a defining fight for Katie, who I admire so much. I've absolutely loved being part of her journey. She means a lot to me personally. She means a lot to the company.

She means a huge amount to women's boxing. And I'm just one of her biggest fans. We all know that in the build-up, we feel like we didn't quite get the respect that we deserved as a kind of co-promoter within the fight. And during the fight, there was a lot said from where we were sitting. Obviously, during a fight, you give your opinion and your advice. But I felt like there was a lot of disrespect towards Katie Taylor and a lot of comments that I didn't really like.

And I probably bit a little bit. And, you know, when we got the decision, it was just one pure relief, you know, of victory in a big fight. And two, you know, the celebrations were almost like a, you know, I guess with all honesty, like a little finger up for the people that were saying specific things during the fight that I thought was really disrespectful. But maybe I went a little bit OTT. And, you know, if anyone was offended, I apologize.

But that's just me. And that's how much I want to win. That's how much I care and respect for my fighters. And that's what it meant to us as a team to, you know, get that victory. There's been a lot of noise about the scorecards. Look, the first fight was close. This one was super close as well. What would you make of that? I mean, controversial or did you think he had i mean controversial or did you forget not at all i mean look let's be honest the

netflix commentary was a joke yeah right you got they are you are you including me in that or i'm excluded right that was awful boring i don't know if you're scoring ariel but i see the person who gives the first three rounds to amanda serrano has never watched a boxing fight in their entire life i mean like there is no way she wins the second and third rounds of that fight even in the first round katie completely dominated the round and got caught with one massive shot at the end of the round so like the whole thing all week was unbelievably one-sided like and we were the away fighter we were treated as such and like you've only got to listen to people who follow boxing to listen to the commentary and you've got you know i don't i don't mean to be disrespectful but people that aren't qualified to score fights of that magnitude

yeah you know and you've got like for me it was a was a 6-4 fight to Katie Taylor with a point deducted. I thought the 95-94 was bang on. It could have gone the other way. And I don't, like, you couldn't have gone against it. Could have been a draw. But for me, I thought Katie Taylor edged the fire. You know, there was a point deduction for the use of the head,

which, you know, there was no real warning of prior, no official warning prior, which is standard procedure before you take a point. You know, it was a rough fight. You've got a southpaw against an orthodox fighter. It was a bit messy at times. It was a tremendous fight. But I thought the scoring was bang on and so good that we actually had three judges in agreement for once rather than 197 93 one way 197 93 the other way so yeah i thought i thought it was a very good score and so as you know eddie the beauty in all of this is that uh not only did we get to see another classic 20 tremendous rounds um some 50 million or so people, according to Netflix, watched that

particular fight, the most watched event for women's sports in US history. And at least I'll tell you from my perspective, and I'm sure you experienced something similar. Everyone, my friends who know nothing about boxing, who never watched boxing events, only want to talk to me about Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano. They had never heard of katie taylor and amanda serrano a week ago and i say that acknowledging that they're two of the biggest stars in the sport of boxing but you know this broke through and so the question they all ask me is will they do it again my fear though is unless it's a netflix type of situation given the current relationship between mvp androom, we're never going to see a third fight. Am I wrong? I disagree. I mean, that depends on probably MVP. I mean, look, Katie Taylor's with

Matchroom, you know, and DAZN. And don't forget that DAZN allowed that fight to take place, really. And, you know, that was important that we do that because it was a tremendous opportunity for Katie Taylor.lor you know she was financially very well rewarded for that fight um the audience was incredible and i think you know despite our differences with mvp i think nikita and jake and mvp did a tremendous job on the show tremendous job i have no problem saying it and we're very grateful for the opportunity you know i saw nakisa's um interview today with off the ball and he's like saying you know um no one thought katie won the

fight and amanda's the biggest star in boxing and you know katie taylor's not appreciated like amanda so i mean it's all it's all irrelevant really the reality is is they've got their options we've got our options it's two nil to katie taylor i don't think katie would have an issue doing a third but it's not going to be just you know no regard for katie taylor and her team to make one of the biggest fights in the sport forget in women's boxing and i think commercially it's a great opportunity to do it again you know and and the numbers that like you say you know i think the response has been incredible it in women's boxing. And I think commercially, it's a great opportunity to do it again. You know, and the numbers that,

like you say, you know, I think the response has been incredible. It was so great for not just women's boxing, but for boxing to see an audience like that dialed in and tuned in. So I certainly don't rule out the third. Katie's probably got three or four options right now. And Amanda Serrano is definitely one that she would entertain you mentioned those three four options any one of those options retirement would you ever bring up

she's as we said you know been doing this for so long taking some damage she's such a legend everyone adores her is there any part of you that thinks in the back of their mind maybe there's nothing of course there's going to be big fights big opportunities but maybe now's the time to walk away i think to be honest there i think it's going to take something special to get her motivated at this point i mean she she's always motivated but she's done so much i mean she sold out msg you know she's boxed at dallas cowboy stadium, 80,000 at Millennium Stadium, sold out arenas in Ireland twice, boxed in front of 90,000 at Wembley. Like, she's done it all. So there are a couple of things

that she would love to tick off the box before she walks away. One, of course, is Croke Park, which has been well-documented in the past. And the other one is Las Vegas, you know, which is definitely appealing to her and something that she's always wanted to do. So I think there's no secret that Katie Taylor may not be as sharp as she once was.

But what she has got is bundles of heart and a will to win bigger than I've ever seen in any form of boxing before. And it's her pure will to win that's getting her through these fights at this stage in her career. So if she decides to walk away right now, I'll be a very happy man. But I also understand through Saturday and through her stock rising to incredible levels that there will be opportunities that she will find it very difficult to resist. Yeah, she'll fight again. There's no doubt about it. She'll fight again. Eddie, I want to talk the main event. Everyone's had their say on whether it's good for boxing, bad for boxing.

I remember watching an interview with yourself and you said you walked away. You only watched a round or so. What's the answer to that question, considering 108 million people watched it? Good for boxing or bad for boxing, Jake Paul, Mike Tyson? I mean, look, without Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano wouldn't have fought in front of whatever it was, 60, 70 million audience. You know, Mario Barra and Abel Ramos wouldn't have that kind of exposure. You know, Mario Barroff and Abel Ramos

wouldn't have that kind of exposure. You know, other, Shadesia Green. So I don't think you can say it's bad for boxing. I think there was no one, honestly, that enjoyed that fight. And if you know anything about boxing, you also know that was always how it was going to be. It was a 27 year old man against a 58 year old man.

And, you know, I think the whole show was incredible. You know, I thought the production was great. I know there was a lot of streaming issues and tech issues, but the show itself, you know,

the build up, the press conferences, the weigh-ins, I thought it was done really, but the show itself, you know, the build up, the press conferences, the weigh-ins, I thought it was done really, really well. But, I hated watching every minute of that main event. And I don't know a fight band that really did,

but it doesn't, we live in a world where it doesn't really matter. You know, it's a circus out there in this respect. And, you can't knock MVP for driving the numbers that they're driving. And if we could, don't forget, remember when we did Logan Paul against KSI. I put Devin Haney on the undercard.

I put Billy Joe Saunders on the undercard. I put a load of our young talent on the undercard because I knew there'd be more eyeballs than normal. And that's what this form of boxing allows us to do. So I don't think you can knock it in that respect. I would like to see Jake in a real fire, competitive fire. Because who knows

his level? But his level is not a 58-year-old man who can't stand up after a couple of rounds. Perfect. Okay, Eddie, this leads on perfect to the next point. Me and Ariel were arguing or debating about Jake Paul's next opponent. Ariel said that Jake Paul could fight Canelo in 2025.

I said absolutely no chance would Jake fight Canelo. It'd be worth hundreds of millions, right? If it was on Netflix or The Zone, it would break pay-per-view numbers, et cetera, et cetera. Do you think Jake would fight Canelo next year? I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Canelo took that fight

because Canelo's just about the money and he's such an easy knight for him. But I think Jake's matchmaking is really smart. They've never been, other than the Tommy Fury fight that they lost, they've never been in a fight where there was any danger at all, really.

Other than the first 20 seconds against Mike Tyson. They obviously know as well that against Canelo Alvarez, unless they're just deluded beyond any imagination, they know that it all ends against Canelo Alvarez. So will they take that? Maybe if the money was astronomical.

But, you know, the problem is everyone needs to call somebody. You know what I just realised? We lost them in the tunnel. I was watching it and I was thinking, I know. You know what I just realized? We lost him in the tunnel. I was watching it and I was thinking, I know the tunnel he's in. What is that tunnel? It's Rubber Heights Tunnel. He's either Blackpool Tunnel or Rubber Heights Tunnel.

And I was like, what's he doing? Is there a poor person? Oh, he's there. He's back. Hello, hello. Yeah. I'm just coming out of the tunnel in about 20 seconds. Okay.

Sorry. We wouldn't dare disturb you on our premiere episode. we're so sorry for the inconvenience eddie what tunnel was it rubber hat or black wall i can't believe there's not a c he doesn't want to tell you doesn't want to tell me what tunnel is eddie what tunnel was it rubber hat or black wall um it's the uh limehouse link ah limehouse link um okay so so let's talk about this because we don't want to keep you i know it's very late over there I remember we were sitting It was 2022

You and Jake were going back and forth We were doing the face to face And you said I've got a cruiserweight that you can fight If you want to fight a top 10 cruiserweight I got the guy his name is Jaya Pattaya Jaya Pattaya has moved up the rankings Quite a bit since then And on Saturday Ad was there, Latino Night

Riyadh, we had Zerto Ramirez win, he beat CBS, Chris Billum-Smith in a tremendous fight, a tremendous showing on his part, now a unified champion what are the chances we get that fight next? Jai versus Zerto That's, I mean the best fight in the division by a mile

but also, it's a must-make fight you know, Oscar's the best fight in the division by a mile. But also, it's a must-make fight. You know, Oscar seems to be more bothered about the records. Records are for DJs. I want real fights. So I want Zafida against Shakur Stevenson. No problem. Ortiz against Boots.

No problem. Cerdo against Opataya. No problem. Barbosa against Cattrall. No problem. Pacheco against anyone you want. I mean, we've got so many fighters. But he doesn't seem to want to put the fighters in when there's

a chance of losing. And unfortunately, as good as Zerdo is, Upper Tire's a different animal Upper Cruiserweight. You know, it's a great fight though. I really feel like that's the kind of fight we should be making. So hopefully he'll oblige. Yeah, I mean, that there could easily work on a five versus five, golden boy versus matron. On that, very quickly, I spoke to Virgil Ortiz,

and I said, look, Virgil, are you fighting February 22nd? Oscar said yes, Virgil said yes. And I said, okay, give me your list, your preference of fights. And he said, number three, Sebastian Fand Findora number two Boots Ennis number one Terence Crawford I don't think it's going to be Terence

I potentially think it's going to be one of the other two could it be Boots would you put Boots in with Virgil yeah without a doubt I mean

we're already talking about that fight one thing we have to acknowledge is that DAZN have invested a lot of money in Boots Ennis and the plan was to do a big unification fight in the spring One thing we have to acknowledge is that DAZN have invested a lot of money in boot tennis.

And the plan was to do a big unification fight in the spring. So obviously this fight would land on February 22nd in Saudi Arabia. If it's acceptable to DAZN and the plan that they have for Jaron boot tennis, we're okay with it. We accept that fight. Jaron Boots Ennis we're okay with it we accept that fight Jaron accepts the fight but you know we are talking to the other champions about potential unification at 147 because he hasn't got long there you know the reason that we took the last fight against Judaism was to keep the belt and to unify so we've got great options but I do love the Virgil Ortiz-Geron

and his fight. I think it's a tremendous fight. When do you think we will hear more about this February 22nd card? A lot has been said that it's going to be gigantic, that it's going to be the best one. Honestly, I was going through the card

last night with George Warren and Spencer Brown and his excellency. It's the best card I've seen in Riyadh. Wow. It really is. Obviously now the card's done. I think a lot of fights are ingredient agreed in principle Contracts have to get signed so we leave it to his excellency to announce. I don't think it'll be too far away

But it's incredible incredible when you look at this fight this card top the bomb. I think he's the best yet Well, I mean debut episode does, let's break some news. Can we get one? Can you give us a morsel? He won't be mad. He loves us. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, you know that Shakur against the Fede has already been discussed.

You know, I think that for me, I want to see Bivol rematch Betabio. Oh. You know, I believe that that was such a great fight to watch up close. And I believe Dimitri Bivol should be the undisputed champion. So I don't want to give too much away because I'll get told off. Wow. What? He's probably,

he's probably even watching now. Hey, Turkey, how are you? And if you are, hello. Um, so let's just say they're building something very special

and I can't wait listen I can't wait to get back there December 21st we've got the small matter of Usyk Fury but okay

Eddie don't Eddie don't do that Eddie I know you're trying to move away from it now it's too late you said it wait so just

just to be clear because you said Shakur Zepeda potentially Bivol Batur potentially Hamza Carlos Adamas maybe?

That's a rematch that I want to see. Okay, okay, sorry, sorry. If that can find its way on February 22nd, then that would be tremendous. But, you know, there's a lot of fights agreed in principle now, and now it's a case of contracting them before they announce,

and I'll let them do that. Wow, I'm excited by this card. I'm also excited, Eddie, for the big showdown between Daniel Dubois and Jake Paul. I'm sure you do that. Wow. I'm excited by this card. I'm also excited, Eddie, for the big showdown between Daniel Dubois and Jake Paul. I'm sure you saw that DM.

I mean, that's blockbuster stuff. You have to admit, right? Come on now. Yeah. I mean, I'd love to see Jake play that one. That'd be a cracker. Can I ask one more

before we let Eddie go? Eddie, any update with regards to AJ obviously look it's not going to be the Dubois rematch I don't think do you know

potentially when we might see the big man out again yeah it could be the Dubois rematch it won't be on February 22nd

so I think it's an opportunity of course to watch December 21st see that see how that unfolds and then make a decision after that but expect caj in the ring next male june eddie it wouldn't be the same

without you appreciate your time very much thanks for taking some time out for us little you know up and comers here good luck with a new show thank you so much take care bye-bye uh you know what i'm always willing to i'm always willing to support all kinds of sizes of media. That is so cheating. Very kind of you. Very kind of you. You know when someone says like, all right, guys, take care.

They want to get the hell off. They've had enough. It wouldn't have to go 10 minutes ago. Yeah, but it's great. It's great. We got a couple of nuggets there. I do want to ask you about the Zerto fight because you were there.

By the way, CBS, do you see the aftermath? Yeah. Being there and you're seeing sort of the punishment he's taken the last few rounds. The first few four rounds were quite competitive. I thought, oh my God, CBS is too big, too strong. And then he got hit. I think it was a headbutt. It might have been a headbutt.

I don't know. But then like Zerdo kept coming in close. And you could see the grimacing on his face every time Zerdo got close and kind of hit that eye. And then the hands broken. Boxing, obviously, look, you're an MMA guy as well, but I think boxing is the toughest sport on the planet. I mean, combat sports in general. Kickboxing, boxing, MMA. Brutal.

No, they're brutal. They are, yeah. Broken hand, broken thumb on the other hand, the stitches. I mean, his face the next day looked absolutely gruesome. What heart. But Zerdo Jai, let's be honest. When we did the roundtable, I remember we did it. When did we do it?

September, right? Before Joshua Dubai. I think we were all kind of leaning towards CBS versus Jai, right? That was the vibe I got. That was the one that everyone was trying to say is going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone clearly forgot about Gilberto Ramirez, who's clearly very, very good.

How do you think he does against Jai? I think Jai just. Oh, really? Yeah. Not even close. Close. Yeah. Close. But I think Jai is, very good. How do you think he does against Jai? I think Jai just... Oh, really? Yeah. Not even close? Close. Yeah. Close, but I think Jai is just too good.

I think he's too fast. Like, Zerdo makes everyone else look fast because he's come up from 168 pounds, 175, so he's a lot faster than these kind of big, almost small heavyweights. Jai is as fast, as ferocious, I think more powerful than Zerdo. So I lean to Jai but i mean zordo proved me

wrong on saturday i think zordo was a lot better than i thought he was going to be but he was nearly he nearly stopped crispin and smith a few times that surprised me a little bit um you just spoke about virgil ortiz i know you spoke to him i did over there uh your interest level in him fighting boots 10 out of 10 10 out of 10 give it give it to me now like wherever i gotta pay i'll pay i will pay for both of them to get there that's the fight i want to see they were supposed to fight at 147 they're always kind of circling each other like the guys just below at the time they were just below errol spence and terence crawford the next two guys were virgil and boots all of a sudden virgil goes to 154 terence goes to 154 spence goes to 154 and boots was left by himself and I was like

what are you going to do Boots and then if we're honest the last couple of fights we've not really been interested I mean we're interested because it's Boots but we've not been interested

in the opponent Virgil versus Boots take my money it brings in two different sets of eyeballs you've got the Mexican-American you've got the sort of black Americans

I love it I think it's a perfect sell Has Boots's stock gone down in your opinion because uh last week when i spoke to eddie about boots he said you know what and and this was a great way of putting it i actually like the fact that the the last one was a bit of a clunker if only because now the top dogs are going to want to fight him because they think he's ripe for the taking yeah that's an interesting way of of selling it but let's be honest no one was writing home about that fight or maybe that performance.

It wasn't a great performance. Right. And so do you think his stock has gone down or do you think he's just fighting down to the competition? He just wasn't all that motivated. No, no, no, no. Stock's gone down. I mean, I kind of given him a few inbuilt excuses. I think the 147 IBF rehydration thing's a problem. No motivation. I think he's dad in the corner in terms of instruction. Go and knock him out. I'm like, okay, he needs a problem. No motivation. I think he's dad in the corner in terms of instruction. Go on, knock him out. I'm like,

he needs a bit more than that. So I do want to give him those excuses, but he needs to be better. I mean, Boots, many people think is a future pound for pounder. You know,

it was billed as two kings. Remember that was, Bam looked like a king. Bam looks incredible. Boots didn't. And I could, you know, say the same thing about Bam.

He's not motivated to fight that kind of opponent. Bam doesn't really want to do that guy, blah, blah, blah of him Boots should have worked that guy out I think a lot earlier considering he's fought him before so um he didn't look great but you know with boxers I mean we're so harsh on them like one bad performance and every other sports star can have one bad performance and it's forgotten boxers one bad performance and you kind of he needs a good opponent up opposite him and he's someone that scares him and i think virgil frightens him a little bit and i think virgil's frightened by boots a little bit as well so it makes a great fight and so for a minute it seemed like we were all pushing for boots crawford um now if you're

matching up boots and virgil who's crawford fighting next no one no one he's just chilling i don't i don't think crawford fights again. Well, period. Yeah. You think he retires? I do. Really? I really do. This is a hot take. Yeah, I really do.

I really do. I mean, the only opponent that kind of got him excited is Canelo. What about Canelo? What about it? What's happening? What's going on? I mean, and let's not,

let's be honest as well. I mean, I'm the biggest, you're not going to find the biggest Terence Crawford fan, but at 154 against Magimov, we saw a bit of, okay, this guy maybe is too big. Like Magimov looked really strong, biggest Terence Crawford fan. But at 154 against Majumov, we saw a bit of, okay, this guy maybe is too big. Majumov looked really strong,

and I think Crawford struggled a bit with the size of Majumov. I mean, Canelo is 168 pounds. He's a big guy. So I just wonder if that kind of fizzled out a little bit. And it doesn't seem to be any discussions right now between Canelo and Turkey and Crawford and Turkey and Canelo. It seems to have kind of vanished a little bit. I think it's the fight to make.

I think Canelo has no one to fight 168 pounds in May. He does the September, May, September, May thing. Who's he fighting? It's not going to be Christian Mbili. It's not going to be Chris Eubane Jr. Who's it going to be? So it's got to be Crawford, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. And for Crawford, who you fight 154 pounds?

Who are you going to fight? There's no one to fight there's no one Errol Spence Sebastian Fandora definitely don't want he's not going to get excited about Virgil Ortiz I love Virgil but Crawford's not going to get excited about that it needs to be a big name Tarlow twins there's no one well speaking of Canelo uh he's definitely not fighting David Benavidez next he's Benavidez fighting David Morel. And we got our first look at a face-off between the two of them. That's going down. Beginning portion of 2025.

And it got a little heated. And this wasn't even a press conference face-off. This was like a green screen ENG shoot. They were going toe-to-toe. There they are. Is that Benavidez? Look at the size of him. Yeah.

He is enormous. This is why Canelo didn't want to fight him. Look at the size of that man. He must be, no joke. And obviously they're not in camp just yet. But he looks about

220. What is he? 6'1"? He looks about, maybe about 220 pounds. He's enormous. Morello looks in better shape. By the way,

this is an incredible fight. I love this fight. I love this fight. I love, I, I wonder how it does on pay-per-view. Fight of the year so far, by far. Easy.

What do you mean the fight of the year? Meaning on paper? No, 2025. Yeah. I don't know what can be made in my head right now that betters that. I'm not even joking. You're going to have to. You literally, you literally just said Virgil Ortiz is a fight.

Yeah. I want to see this fight. Benabu Tennis is unbelievable. Not better than Moral. Not better than Moreral Benavidez wow like Meral Benavidez legitimately

the winner of that could cause a problem to Bivol Baturbiev at 175 that's how good those two are I think especially Benavidez do you think there's a chance

either of them fights Canelo ever no chance no chance now they've gone to 175 Canelo's almost got that built in excuse

ah I was going to do it. But you're now at 175. And it shows how big they are, to be fair. That they can even go 175. I know, but they could easily come down to 168. Yeah, Canelo's not fighting them. No.

It's a bit like the Jon Jones thing with Tom Aspinall, where Canelo probably thinks, why do I have to fight the hungry up-and-coming kids? Why do I have to do that? I've done that before. I'm not doing that again. Why am I going around the block again? And Kenosha's probably thinking

I ain't going around the block again. By the way, speaking of that weight class, did Eddie insinuate that we might be getting... Dude. And I had not heard that before. Did you hear that?

Yeah. I heard that. And then he kind of walked it back, so I wasn't sure. Do you think he walked it back? You know why I think it could be happening? Why, why, why?

Because obviously, Paterbia being Muslim, it has to happen before Ramadan. Before Ramadan, yeah. This is the only date in terms of the Riyadh season dates, February,

and then it's May, where there isn't much in April or March. So, this is the only one. Well, we were talking before the show saying like,

who's going to headline February 22nd? Because Frank Warren keeps saying best fight card of the Riyadh season era. Eddie Hearn keeps saying that as well. Turkey has said it.

And you said like, Hamza Shiraz, and I was like... What's wrong? No, with all due respect. Best fight card? That's the best one? The one that we got... Hamza's my guy.

I'm not accepting this. Yo, much respect. He was tremendous a couple months ago, but that's the best one? Come on. Can I give you the card in my head now? Now that Eddie said this? Okay, well...

So now I'm saying Batserbiyev-Bivol headline. Now I'm saying this. Dubois versus. It's got to be Joseph Parker. If it's not Joseph Parker, I riot. Come on.

I'll be upset. Who else? Fabio Wardi. No, stop it. They might do that. No, no, no. Stop it. Frank might do it.

It has to be Joseph Parker. I agree. Oh my God. It would be such a shame. Shakur Stevenson versus. Zepeda. I don't think it will be Zepeda. Really?

Yeah, Zepeda didn't look great Against Tevin Farmer you know And that was a 12 A lot of people thought Farmer won Right? I thought Farmer could have So who does he fight? I think he fights Joe Cordina

Who he was supposed to fight Sure sure sure I think he fights What about Kikachi? Let him fight him No? Too much? No Kikachi will take the fight

Good shot by the way I like that A bit of boxing knowledge Well done Well done Kikachi beat Cordina Yeah yeah Look at you too much no who can catch it will take the fight good shot by the way I like that bit of boxing knowledge well done well done well done catch a beat Cordina yeah look at you

and then Hamza Shiraz Carlos Adamas that's four enormous ones that's the main card yeah the main card and then you've got you get other guys on it

like Padley who calls an upset against Mark Chamberlain deserves to be on it remember in the Wembley card yeah he deserves an opportunity yeah for sure but the four there you know the Bivouac Batubi an upset against Mark Chamberlain deserves to be on it. Remember in the Wembley card. He deserves an opportunity.

But the four there, you know, the Bivouac-Peterville one has thrown me completely. I was not expecting that. That should be the one because I thought IBF would try. He's going to be upset with himself. Of course he's going to be upset. I just thought IBF was going to screw it up like they've screwed up everything else.

Do you care if it's an undisputed again? No, it's not like, it's like I don't care that Fury Usyk necessarily isn't, but it kind of annoys me. Yeah. Like the Fury Usyk rematch has to be for the undisputed.

It has to be for the same stakes. What about everyone that's waiting in line? What do they do then, Ariel? They just wait? They wait and wait? So you worked your way up. But isn't that what we want?

We want undisputed champions. No, no. I want people that are in line and have been waiting for a shot and have been pushed aside all the time to get their shot. It's unfair. But it's splinters the titles and it makes them feel lesser than when, when you build towards what was the self for Furiusic? Furiusic is great, but also undisputed. That was a big thing. Two weeks later, you, you ruined that. No, no. Okay. You've given them that undisputed shot. They've had it as, as B now we splinter what about the people below that have been waiting for ages took

step aside money okay i'll wait again i'll continue to wait this is the thing you're very old school and boxing fans are old school so they don't want to change so when you talk to them about the ibf ruining the fun they're like well no that's how it should be when you talk to them about the press conferences being boring as hell no no no that's how it should be. When you talk to them about the press conferences being boring as hell, say, no, no, no, no, that's how it should be. When you say that Jake Paul is good for boxing, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Jake Paul is bad for boxing. You can't change.

You have to evolve. Stop living in the 1930s, all right? It's not the Jake LaMotta days, all right? What should happen with the belts? Say, how dare you put up these great posters and then disrespect these people. I'm not disrespecting, I'm paying homage. Disrespect these people.

When men were men and it wasn't about the splintered titles alright now you guys are like oh I need a belt I need an IBF alpha belt

I just if I am you know there's a guy it's funny you say this there's a guy on the Latino card his name's Arnold Barboza of course

junior bro I was there in Brooklyn I was there let me tell the story you're interrupting me sorry sorry so anyway so Arnold Barboza was supposed to fight Jose Ramirez in Brooklyn. I was there. Let me tell the story. You're interrupting me. Sorry. So anyway,

so Arnold Barboza was supposed to fight Jose Ramirez over 12 rounds and it was supposed to be a WBO final eliminator. This guy has been fighting WBO final eliminators for so long.

It's ridiculous. He's 32 and 0. So it's supposed to be a case of you win that fight, you get Teofimo Lopez and the WBO have been promising him that fight for ages.

You know what he did? He said, I ain't fighting for the for the wbo anymore i'm tired so it went from a 12 round to a 10 rounder and i was like dude why have you just done that he said you know i've been paying my sanctioning fees to the wbo for so long i still haven't fought for a world title because again you get the world champions like tiafema lopez in this stage that are like i kind of do what i want to do and i'm sorry i'll fight who I want to fight and well if you're an Arnold Boboza and you fight that contender and that contender

and you're like it's a world title shot next it's coming no it's not coming do you know what I mean yeah for sure it's out of order for some fighters yes you're right

we want to see the big undisputed but there are guys and girls that are making their way up doing exactly what they're supposed to do fighting that person because they've been told to and paying the sanctioning fees

three or 5% and they don't get an opportunity because people like Ariel Helwani only want to see the best versus the best and undisputed fights. I just like when things are undisputed, unified. Only wants the superstar names.

What about the people up and coming? I love the up and comers. I got much love for them. What do you know about Shushu Carrington? I mean, what a show he put on. He did, right? He did. Again, another guy. One of the first fights on the card. He was literally the what a show he put on. He did, right? He did. Again, another guy.

He was one of the first fights on the card. He was literally the first. Was he the first one? Yes, he was the current. There were only seven fights, but it was great to see him get that opportunity. One day it feels to be like the first fight when, how many people were in the stadium, would you say? I have to say, that's another thing. When you go to those cards, they come early.

Really? So about 20,000, 30,000 in there? Oh, it was impressive. Oh, well done. Okay. Yeah. By the time the main card started, and that was actually, if if i'm being honest the one fight that i didn't love like i i thought it was a mistake to start with niraj goyad versus winderson nunez and i know why they did it brazil has a huge netflix audience in india as well but

you want to come like i wish they started with barrios yeah and then you kind of sandwich it with a fun fight then but then see then you know what happened people say one second barrios is the wbc welterweight champion How dare he open the card? That's what happens. I really want to be at the next big one. I'll put in a word. I don't know if Nikisa's happy with me. It's been a wacky show in the sense that we've

talked about a lot of wacky things. And so let's end on a fitting note and let's talk about Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia is coming back on New year's eve on a rising card exhibition bout and he's also talking about fighting jake to defend the honor of one mike tyson all right i've been quiet for some time but i've been cooking on some plans before my actual return to the ring here's the plan before april he writes on x exhibition in december in japan against the guy who fought an aging manny pacquiao and tried to knock him out and then go after Jake Paul for Uncle Mike.

You like this plan? Yeah. What's that? Can we put that back on the emoji? That's actually one of my favorite emojis. It's the salute one. Respect. I've got bad eyes.

Okay. Jake for Uncle Mike. I like Ryan a lot. You know, I miss Ryan. Oh, it was great. I miss Ryan. Oh, it was great. I miss him. That fight week was something. Yeah, it was incredible.

But I still don't know if he was throwing us a curveball. I still don't know if he was crazy. Or if he was just playing us all this time. I have no idea if he was like one can short. It's going to be like one of the great, you know, mysteries in boxing. You know what I love so much about that? Sorry. You know, like after he beat Devin and he went on the train,

he done like a little Oh yeah, that's so good. Where he's looking at the map and he's just like Like he was Batman? Like who do I go and destroy next? And you know that he definitely did not go to sleep.

Like he had the look of a guy who did it, but just put some water or gel in his hair. Yeah, and it's almost like they got rid of everyone on the train. Obviously security is like everyone.

He's so important for boxing. And I guess this leads on to a further question about sort of the the faces of the sport that we need to be seeing more i'm not quite sure about this exhibition bear in mind he's on a ban like i don't like the idea of him making money from the sport of boxing when you're in a ban i just find that quite strange the band's a ban he's accepted a 12-month ban you shouldn't be able to make money from it happens a lot mma fighters have done this gone to japan as long as it's not sanctioned they get away with it is it wrong am i we but here's the thing japan and ryzen don't care you know why because uh they don't need the commissions so it's never like they like this was the problem with connor ben right yeah ed Eddie needs the British boxing quarter control.

So they'll tell him, no, no, no, you do this, you're in trouble, we'll fine you, we'll make life hell for you. Ryzen doesn't need it, so it's the Wild West. It's just like when guys go over to the UAE as well. Yeah, I'm not a fan of it. Again, I want him back in the sport. I think he's incredible for the sport.

He really is. I mean, he pushes the needle, right? I mean, pop culture, et cetera, he ticks everything. And he can fight. Forget all that stuff, by the way. He can actually. I mean, he pushes the needle, right? I mean, pop culture, et cetera, he takes everything. Um, and he can fight, forget all that stuff, by the way, you can actually really fight very,

very well. But I mean, you get a slap on the wrist and the 12 month ban, it's almost just a middle finger to the commissions that banned you. When you say, Hey, whatever, ban,

I can go and make millions in Japan, come back and what? And I just don't like it. I want him to sit it out. I want him to sit it out, get his 12 month ban over and done with in April and then come back and go straight into a big one in April. That's what I want from him.

Who's his first fight against? Evan Haney, one gazillion percent. Do you think it will happen? It has to happen. I know it has to happen, but we say this a lot and it doesn't happen. Yes, I think it will happen. It will be gigantic.

Dude, enormous. Enormous. Should Haney fight before then? If I was Haney I would've I think it's Too late now It's almost becoming too late now You can risk it

Yeah you slip You can risk it But you get hit And he got hurt in that fight How's Is he recovered Don't fight At this point

He's free in April Yeah I don't think it happens Necessarily in April But let's say it happens May, June, July It's gotta happen in April You think it does?

Yeah I think they've got to Somehow get it done It will be gigantic. Yeah. The build will be unbelievable. I don't even know where it happens. Probably Vegas. I think you should go to the same Barclays.

Why not? You think so? Why not? The atmosphere in there and the Barclays was spectacular. It was great, but I think it could be better. It's a West Coast fight. He's a West Coast guy. Garcia's a West Coast guy.

Either there or, oh, you know what? That Intuit Dome, that brand new LA Clippers arena. What's it called? The Intuit Dome. I hate these names. Oh, it's fantastic. Is it really good, yeah? Oh my God.

Could you not do a stadium? In America. Is it not big enough for a stadium? Yeah. In America? The problem is the American don't have, well, they've got some stadiums that are small, no?

Yeah, but I don't think it's a stadium. You don't think it's that big? Well, one second, you said it was the biggest thing ever and all of a sudden you're not saying it's big. No, I didn't say biggest thing ever, but I mean, there are no stadium fights. Jake Paul, Mike Tyson, stadium fight, that's it. No, but seriously, you said it was the biggest thing ever. No, I didn't say biggest thing ever, but I mean, there are no stadium fights.

Jake Paul, Mike Tyson, stadium fight. That's it. No, but seriously, but I'm just saying, it's not like you guys.

How many times are you going to mention Jake Paul on this show? You guys, I mean, he's the topic of the week. You guys don't, by the way, I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.

You're pandering. You're pandering to the internet. You're making me the bad guy. I'm the one who tells it like it is. Comments be damned. Backlash be the one who tells it like it is. Comments be damned. Backlash be damned. I tell it like it is. You guys will do a so-so ho-hum fight at Selhurst Park,

and there's five people there. We don't do that. All right, here in America? That is a direct shot of Ben Shalom. I mean, come on. There were six people there, and they told me it was a home game for him. Was it not?

The star was Ben Whitaker. He comes out to the orchestra. There's four people in the audience. 13,000. Yeah. 13,000 is a good number. How about that? 13,000.

I mean, there were a bunch of people dressed up as empty seats. It was unbelievable. It was a seven. So we don't do that here. We'd rather, I say we. I don't even. 18,000. I'd rather pack out an arena.

I think the want for stadium fights is a bit crazy. I just think it's so big. It could have done a stadium. When it's worthy, it's worthy. Like when we were there at Wembley, I was blown away. And by the way, Devin Haney is still the WBC champion, I believe. It's some weird way. Yeah, he gets it back, right?

So Ryan walked straight into a World Title fight. Boxing's a crazy sport, you know. You know how crazy the boxing game is? But where's Javonte Davis, by the way? Oh, no, we're not starting this. We're already way past our time. What time? This has been fun.

We're done? Yeah, we're done. We're done. We're actually done. We've come all this way for an hour and 20 minutes? We're supposed to actually be an hour. We've gone 25 minutes over. Okay.

Is this my camera? How much fun you're having? Yeah, this is it right here. Go ahead, tell us. If it was supposed to be an hour and we've gone 30 minutes over, I know what my rate is for an hour. I expect an increase. If we're good.

I mean, talk to your agent. It was nice of you to carve out some time out of the 95 jobs that you have to bless us with your presence here. But this is by far. This is it. How many shows have your name on it? The best job.

Well, we say this, but let's not forget. I reached out to you. I slid in your DMs, Ariel. You did. What a time. Look at us now. Can we show the message? Wow.

Here we go. Look at the message, everyone. This is it right here. This is amazing. Please, please respond to this. I'm not sure how else to get in touch. I'm a reporter currently in London. I worked for Sky Sports at the time.

I also have a YouTube channel called Boxing Talk with Ade. I'll give my right finger to have you on via Zoom for a brief chat about MMA, boxing, and of course wrestling. Now, the question is, did Ariel respond to this?

No, absolutely not. No, he didn't. No, he didn't. This is, by the way, a little over four years ago. There you go. A lot's happened. And I didn't know

you were a wrestling guy. Whoa! Or were you just trying to hook me? Just making it. You were just trying to hook me. And look at us now.

Ariel, Ade, we're here In the flesh, we're pretty much Like best buds One thing about Ade, if you are one of his closest friends And you do WhatsApp him Text him, you will never get an actual text back You will just get voice notes back It's just like constant

Four minute podcast with you Well I feel like it's more personal, you can hear my voice You can hear my voice, Yeah, sometimes you know what? You can hear the emotion. You can hear if I'm sad. But even when I continue to respond in text, you continue to give me voice notes. I feel like we've got a thing that you expect.

Why don't you send the voice note back up? I'm a little bit timid. I don't need my voice being broadcast to the world all the time. I think the voice notes are incredible. Yeah? Yeah, I think they're good. And sometimes it's like, hey, Ariel Ariel you know

I'm busy right now I've got a haircut I've got an appointment I've got an interview Yeah let me now respond To what you wrote One minute in Like I don't have all day for this

So you don't like them Well it's just It's You know I've realized as well Presuming that we all Aren't as busy as you You don't really listen to them No I do

No I do because you know I know this No I go in real time I go in real time Is that what you're Responding to the first Yes yes I'm actually responding in real time i'm giving you live blog thoughts okay because how's he responded to that he's only wow it's all coming out now well any other issues any other uh transgressions no we're good okay we're good

are you doing fury usic december uh let's wrap this up perhaps perhaps we will episode one officially in the books every tuesday right here on all the DAZN channels are ariel ariel are he's gonna come in each and every week yeah look at us come on dog look at us uh take your feet off my table please uh we'll be right back next Tuesday. Same time and place for now, though. Thank you so much for watching our very first episode, my friends. Good night and enjoy the fights. សូវាប់ពីបានប់ពីបានប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពីប់ពី Bye.