The Ariel Helwani Show - Ariel x Ade, episode 3: Reaction to Feb. 22 super card rumors. Shakur's next move, Eubank-Benn official? George Kambosos Jr. joins

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

Ariel Helwani and Ade Oladipo react to the massive plans for Feb. 22, with a fight card reported to be headlined by Daniel Dubois vs. Joseph Parker, with the Artur Beterbiev vs. Dmitry Bivol rematch a...nd Boots Ennis vs. Vergil Ortiz expected as well (05:09).Then, they discuss who Shakur Stevenson and Conor Benn respectively will fight next, followed by a deep dive on the Sunny Edwards vs. Galal Yafai rivalry (24:50).Next, they check in with George Kambosos Jr. for an interview about his future, before closing with the news of Olympian Pat Brown signing with Matchroom and preview of Misfits & DAZN: X-Series 19 from Qatar (47:10).

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good evening, everyone, and welcome to a brand new edition of Ariel and Ade right here exclusively on DAZN, the home of boxing. You can get 150 plus fight nights each and every week. We're getting two big ones this particular week, and it's great to be back for another week doing this program. Technically, this is episode three. It's the second one in the studio. You'll recall last week we did have my co-host in studio. This time he's back home.
Starting point is 00:00:39 But have no fear. We have so much to discuss on this particular Tuesday evening. We are live at 5 p on this particular Tuesday evening. We are live at 5 p.m. as always. This is the new standard procedure, the SOP as they say in the business world. 5 p.m. here in New York, 2 on the West Coast, 10 p.m. over in the UK slash ETA region. I am Ariel Helwani right here in New York City. And my co-host is the great Ade Oladipo joining us from his HQ in beautiful London town. I miss your face. I miss your face,
Starting point is 00:01:16 Ade. You were right here. We went out for dim sum. We had a great old time. We got to meet the boys. We got to hang out. We got to chop it up. We got to do a photo shoot It's great, but I do miss your face. I miss your face Agreed, I just I'm I'm disappointed. I'm happy like the show. No, don't be disappointed. No, I'm disappointed I mean New York was so nice. I met the whole team. I saw your setup. It's really it's fancy fancy, right? I mean, yeah, yeah who have done a big deal with you and my self is okay. It's okay. It's fancy, right? I mean, Yahoo have done a big deal with you. My setup's okay. It's okay. It's okay. My setup's fine.
Starting point is 00:01:47 It's not like yours, but it is what it is. Did you like the green chair logo? I love the green chair. It's a throwback to how you started. You know, you're one of those guys, you send the elevator back down. You remember the little people. You remember the humble beginnings when you were sending me DMs, begging me to come on the program.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Now we're co-hosts. We're still going there. Did we not cover that subject last week? How long are we going to continue to tell the world about this? No, no, no, no, no. Don't worry about it. Your gloves look nice behind you. You look fantastic.
Starting point is 00:02:17 You're glowing. You have an incredible smell, which I can actually smell through the screen. You have great cologne that you use. You have great cologne. I do have to say that. And I wanted you to mention, but I guess i have to bring it up which is a little bit awkward of course we are celebrating thanksgiving here in the united states of america and so which which means which means very little to us brits over here well uh you know it's
Starting point is 00:02:39 not all about you and uh that's why we have the turkey that's why we have the pumpkins and the leaves uh i did find out though earlier this week from my good friends at DAZN, you do not celebrate Thanksgiving, but you do acknowledge Black Friday, which is a holiday in its own right. I didn't know that the UK celebrates or acknowledges Black Friday. And I do want to let all our very loyal viewers know that this week is your last chance to get Black Friday deals on DAZN with up to 33% off in the UK and 50% off in the US. Look at that. 50% off all plans. I want to know why the deal ends. By the way, the deal ends. I wasn't done with my promo read, all right? It ends this Friday, November 28th. Please, go ahead. That's fantastic. You're such a company man, Ariel.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Corporate Helwani. Helwani is here. I mean, this is fantastic. Why 50%? Can someone higher up, someone that gets paid a bit more than me? Well, a bit more than me? No one gets paid more than Ariel. Can someone tell us why 50% in the US and 33% in the UK?
Starting point is 00:03:46 It's the exchange rate. Is that it? 100%? No, I have no idea. I just made that up. Oh, he's making things up. And I believed you as well. I believed you.
Starting point is 00:03:54 But well done. Well, it was a good read. I couldn't do that read. Oh, you're the king of reads. I'm doing it. You're the king of reads. I am not. Yeah, but I don't know if I can be a bit of a shill.
Starting point is 00:04:02 I don't know if it's in me. I'm not quite sure. By the way, can you see the zone? Have I got enough to zone yet? Oh, yeah. No, no. Are you okay? You're decked out.
Starting point is 00:04:09 You can see that one there? Yeah, you're decked out. You've got multiple. Just making sure. I've got a couple as well. We have so much to get to on today's program. Had no time to really waste and dilly-dally. I do want to let everyone know on the back end of the program,
Starting point is 00:04:21 in our final third, if you will, as they say in the great game of football. The great George Kambosis will be joining us from all the way down under. Just made some news last week that he is teaming up with Matchroom. They've got some plans in Australia. I suspect he will be a big part of them. And I suspect he'll be watching
Starting point is 00:04:40 that Liam Parrow fight next weekend. So we'll get some thoughts From Mr. Cambosis Who of course shocked the world With that big win over Teofimo Lopez Hasn't quite gotten back To that form if you will But there are some big moments And here's another big moment for him
Starting point is 00:04:57 So we'll talk to him back end of the program Let's get into the news though Because there's a lot to get into We talk about the show show We go back and forth We've got the WhatsApp groups and what not And we were wondering What's going to be the top story What are we leading with on this Tuesday
Starting point is 00:05:12 Because let's be honest This past weekend in boxing Relatively quiet right And then all of a sudden One of the vets of the game As far as boxing journalism is concerned Dan Rayfield drops an atomic bomb If you will as far as news We've concerned. Dan Rayfield drops an atomic bomb, if you will, as far as news.
Starting point is 00:05:26 We've been trying to find out more information regarding this February 22nd re-add season card. We were pressing Eddie Hearn last week on the program. He gave us some nuggets. I've been pressing people. You've been pressing people. There was some talk that maybe you would get announced today. Today has almost come and gone.
Starting point is 00:05:43 There's still a couple hours, at least, your neck of the woods. But here's what the very trusted source, known as Dan Raphael, has reported. Earlier today, he reported that the top five fights on the card will be as follows. Main event, Daniel Dubois, Joseph Parker. IBF title fight. It's big. And we're going to talk about all of these. Co-main event, if you want to call it that.
Starting point is 00:06:08 Certainly not chief support level. This is above chief support and co-main event, if you ask me. Co-headliner, if you will. Archer better be up against Dimitri Bivol, number two, rematch of the great fight that happened on October 12th. Boots Ennis against Virgil Ortiz. Incredible. Talk about that.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Hamza Shiraz against Carlos Adames. And of course, Jean Caballel, which is a massive, massive fight and an important fight in the heavyweight division. That's just five. There are others that are being discussed.
Starting point is 00:06:35 When you saw this, when you saw this come through the wire, as they say in the news business, your reaction? I said immediately, it's the greatest fight card I've ever seen in my life. Let's just go. Let's go as big as we can possibly go that's the best fight card ever everyone likes
Starting point is 00:06:51 to kind of talk about the Don King times I'm you know I'm not that old I don't remember the Don King times in the early 80s which were stacked cards but nothing like this I mean you just said an undisputed light heavyweight showdown is going to be on the card a world title showdown is going to be on the cards if i'm correct you also said there's going to be a middleweight title showdown on the cards and then we get virgin altiz versus jan ennis which would be one of the best fights 154 pounds and then he said zhang versus caviar which is one of the best fights at heavyweight and and there could be more that is by far one of the best fight cards I've ever seen. It ticks all the box in terms of eyeballs from all over the world. I mean, it's incredible.
Starting point is 00:07:30 I will have to bring something up with you, though. You made it sound as though Dubois Park is going to be main event. There's no way. There's no way on this earth Bivol Batur Bivol or Batur Bivol is not main event. It's impossible. Okay. Impossible. Literally my next question.
Starting point is 00:07:43 It was literally my next question. The way it's being positioned is as such such at least maybe that's the way they're writing it but you think there's no chance because you know in in in the ufc for example they like to always give the highest weight the main event slot and so i thought maybe they could be going that route but you would agree because i was literally going to just say better be a versus bivou is the bigger fight right with the bigger stakes attached to it it has to ariel i would riot i would riot if better be a bivel is not main event i will pull myself from the card this is it i'm saying it now to everyone i will pull myself from the card and better be a versus
Starting point is 00:08:19 bivel is not the main event i mean that fight was so good it's the two best light heavyweights in the world two pound for pounders i mean you're talking potentially pound for pound number three versus pound for pound number five or six that's how close it is in the ring because i don't know where but no that has to be it has to be main event i know what you mean about the weight classes and all that good stuff but no no no no no the only fight that could be bigger than the turbia bivouac and push that down to chief support would be tyson fury versus alexander usi nothing else can be made to push that down to chief support or co-main event whatever title you want to give it has to be main event has to be there's a lot that uh gives me
Starting point is 00:08:55 great joy here uh we thought that maybe the ibf would ruin the immediate rematch plan sounds like at least if this report is correct, it sounds like that is not going to be the case. And the one that was really concerning me, and I thought, to be honest, that cooler heads would prevail and that they wouldn't ruin such a great thing. Again, Usyk Fury isn't for undisputed gold, but at least they're running it back. And so in the end, who the hell cares? IBF kind of ruined that. What I was worried about was that Dubois would fight someone else. That's what I was really worried about. It had to be, if Dubois wasn't fighting Joshua, it had to be Joseph Parker. And dare I say, Ade, Joseph Parker versus Dubois at this point in time interests me more than AJ versus Dubois too,
Starting point is 00:09:40 if only because I feel like AJ needs more time off. Like I would think that this is too soon for him. If in fact this is too soon for him. If in fact this is true, and I was reaching out to people very close to Joseph and they were playing a little bit coy, but it does seem if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, like this is the direction, this guy coming off an incredible,
Starting point is 00:09:58 you know, 2024, he's on quite the run, a rejuvenation, a resurgence of his career in many respects. This to me actually excites me more career in many respects. This to me actually excites me more so in many respects than them running back better be a Bivol because I was losing hope that they were going to do the right thing for Joseph Parker. Yeah. So happy for Joseph Parker. Like again, Joseph Parker is one of the good guys of the sport. A great guy who's on a great run, as you said. I mean, let's not forget this guy he beat Zhang and he beat Deontay Wilder. I mean, let's give him something.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And he's getting something. And you mentioned him being on a resurgence. It's very similar to what Daniel Dubois was on sort of 18 months ago, right? He was on a resurgence. And look where Daniel Dubois is now.
Starting point is 00:10:36 This is a dangerous fight. But look, before we give sort of Joseph Parker the plaudits, and we will, let's give Daniel Dubois the plaudits for taking this fight. This is a voluntary. He doesn't have to do this. he's run now would be the honestly the craziest run I can remember in the heavyweight division we're talking Alexander Usyk, Jarrell Miller, Hergovich,
Starting point is 00:10:56 AJ Parker that's insane and if he were to beat Parker and I think he'll be a slight favorite just slight just slight like 55-45 if he were to beat Parker, and I think he'll be a slight favorite, just slight, just slight, like 55-45. If he were to beat Parker, we need to have a serious conversation about where Daniel Dubois sits, because that's frightening. Honestly, that's a frightening run. But look, kudos to Daniel Dubois. You know, a lot of fighters say, I'll fight anyone. And, you know, now that we are privy to kind of be behind the scenes, we know that's not true. Daniel Dubois is that that he will fight anyone.
Starting point is 00:11:27 And I think he's proven it. If what Dan Raphael's reporting is true, if he does fight Parker, then he clearly is a man that has gloves will fight because that's a, that's a crazy risk for a voluntary when you really can sit, sit and wait and see what happens with Fury Usyk and fight the winner of that. So for him to do this is,
Starting point is 00:11:45 you got to, you got to applaud the young man. If you were advising him, if you were his manager, would you tell him to take this fight? No. Why not? No.
Starting point is 00:11:55 I'd say sit out and wait and see. Look, you know, as much as you could, you could almost, he could almost have gone on a rallying cry to get AJ in the ring. And at this stage, AJ is more money and maybe an easier fight
Starting point is 00:12:07 at this stage of AJ's career. So it's certainly more money. We can tick that box. And then you can just sit back and just wait until December 21st and see what happens with Fury Usyk. Daniel Dubois could, and I'm not trying to say this would happen, but he could fight for an undisputed belt in a few months. I mean, that all goes out the window, obviously,
Starting point is 00:12:25 if he loses to Parker, even if he gets injured by Parker. So it's a risky, risky fight. I mean, he could be in an undisputed fight sometime in the new year. I mean, that all goes away if Parker wipes him out. And Parker, I mean, you know as well as I do, Parker's looking good right now. He's a lot bigger.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Parker's nearly 270, 280 pounds. This is a very, very dangerous fight nearly 270 280 pounds this is a very very dangerous fight this is more dangerous way more dangerous than i think hergavich and more dangerous than asia i really do believe it parker's in incredible shape he's been working with george lockhart who's worked with the likes of tyson fury who's worked with the likes of conor mcgregor among among many many many others um and and he lives with him now he lives in new zealand and you just see him on social media i mean he is he's a freaking rock he is he's in an unbelievable amount of uh you know got strength and and and just like it just seems like he is in the best shape possible i i i've said this
Starting point is 00:13:16 before but i got to spend a lot of time with him in london because we were driving back and forth for that card in wembley and he told me a lot about what he's been through and i hope at some point he opens up about this because i think people will fall in love with him, excuse me, even more so than, you know, he's a very nice guy. He's soft-spoken. He's very charming, but there's a lot there to the Joseph Parker story. And I agree with you as much as I love it for Joseph on the other side of the coin, by the time this fight happens, it will be essentially a little over two months since Fury Usyk. Like we could be on the road to Dubois versus the winner of that fight. So it is a massive risk. I presume the money is tremendous. You know, the opportunity
Starting point is 00:13:54 to, you know, stay active and be on a card like this is great for him. The question though is for me to you, will the UK finally get behind Daniel Dubois if he wins this fight? If he proves yet again that he can slay another giant and then wins this fight en route to an undisputed fight against the winner of Fury Usyk, we presume the winner will fight him if he wins this fight. Will you guys finally get behind him like you have gone behind Fury and AJ? The simple answer to that question is probably not like that. And I was going to say yes until you mentioned those two names. This is the problem for Daniel Dubois. He's in an era where you have AJ and Fury. I mean, and they're like football players over here. They're like rock
Starting point is 00:14:36 stars. I mean, their following and fan base is nothing we've probably ever seen before in this country. So it's difficult when you're comparing sort of Dubois to those two will they get behind him like they got behind a Chisora or a Dillian White or anyone else yeah yeah of course they will but you're talking AJ Fury here you're talking 10 years even more so for AJ of big fights and growing a fan base and stadium fights and selling out arenas I mean Dubois just got to that so we've got to give him time to grow that fan base I mean I think it will get there and I think he people are starting to kind of get behind him but I mean Tyson Fury is a different beast I mean and AJ is a different beast as well it really is maybe when those two have gone and they're trying to find the next one
Starting point is 00:15:22 and I think Fury and AJ will be gone in the next 12 to 18 months maybe then you can sort of pin all your hopes on daniel dubois and everyone can get behind him but as soon as aj and fury are here and they are still very much here then it's going to be difficult for the fan base to kind of switch sides if you like and start to go behind dubois it's just i just don't i don't think it's that easy. We're a small country, Ariel. We don't have that many boxing fans. Nah, that's nonsense. I'm over there and I'm listening to you on the radio and you guys are talking about boxing at lunchtime. We don't do that here in America.
Starting point is 00:15:55 You need to get behind one of your guys because he is the one taking the torch from them. The baton is being passed to him. He's the new heavyweight uk king and you know what's interesting about that actually you know you you actually are right and i think maybe that's where we're going wrong with him i do think like even though he's had back-to-back really good victories and even the usip performance was a good one i still think there is this kind of yeah but when he fights piccoli when he fights parker rather than just saying oh one second he's a world champion
Starting point is 00:16:24 now yeah he's a world champion now. Yeah. He's a world champion and he's very good. I still think there are some that are like, yeah, still not quite sure about him. Um, and I think that's the problem. I think if you asked a hundred people on the street that watch boxing,
Starting point is 00:16:35 who wins Dubois or Bacoli, I think people would sway to Bacoli, you know? Wow. Um, yeah. So I think they're not quite sure if Dubois is the finished article yet. They're not quite sure.
Starting point is 00:16:46 I mean, did he fight an AJ that's come to the end? Like, you know what I mean? They don't really want to crown him yet. I think if you beat Parker, he'll get the recognition, he'll get crowned.
Starting point is 00:16:55 But look, I'm a big fan of Dubois. I think he's great. I think Don Charles is great. And kudos to him for taking this dangerous fight because, again, we don't know
Starting point is 00:17:03 if this is confirmed yet, but from what we do know, it is going to be Parker. And I think that's, that's so risky, but so, so ballsy as well. I love it.
Starting point is 00:17:12 Two things. Number one, love all the crown references here at Uncrowned. We like that. Very nice. Number two, do you agree with that sentiment? Dubois Bacoli,
Starting point is 00:17:19 Bacoli wins? Yeah. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I do. I do. I do. I think Bacoli is just Yeah. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, I do.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I do. I think Bacoli is just, and by the way, Bacoli is the guy that misses out on all this, by the way. I feel sorry for Martin Bacoli. You know, I know him. He's a great guy.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Again, another, another fight with a great story. And now that we're here in Zhang versus Caviel and, and Dubois versus Parker, what does Bacoli do? I mean, Bacoli is coming off a good win as well
Starting point is 00:17:45 against Sherrod Anderson, and he's out in the wilderness. He almost has now become the most avoided heavyweight out there. No one wants to fight him because he's George Foreman 2.0. So yeah, I think Bercouli could potentially beat them all, by the way.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Do you think he's being avoided or he's just not quite there yet in terms of the name? I mean, he's coming off a great win. I think it's risk-reward. Right. I think it's risk-reward, and I think the risk is so high, and the reward for beating him maybe just isn't there you know he's not a world
Starting point is 00:18:10 title you you may be not going to get paid millions so why do it um so i think it's just a risk reward thing with him i think the name's there i think people know who he is everyone in the uk know who he is because he's based here um he sparred all the guys as well. And he'll tell you that he's beaten them all in sparring. They all know Martin Bacoli, but I think Martin Bacoli just represents a big problem and not maybe a big name. And I think that's what it is, risk award. Reports coming out earlier today that the IBF has ordered Bacoli versus Efe Ajagba. So there you go. There's your final eliminator for Marm Bacoli. Excited?
Starting point is 00:18:46 It's not good enough, is it? Of course I'm not. Did you see my reaction? Of course I'm not. Nonsense. Can I ask you? If they're going to do that, do that fight in Africa.
Starting point is 00:18:54 You know, keep pushing that agenda. Do it. No, that'd be sick. Chaos in Lagos. I love it. You're going to mention that once a week on this program. Of the three other fights, Adamas versus Shiraz, which I know you're very excited about. Boots versus Ortiz. Tremendous. going to mention that once once a week on this program um of the three other fights uh adamez
Starting point is 00:19:05 versus shiras which i know you're very excited about uh boots versus ortiz tremendous um caballel versus zhang which one when you see it you're like oh damn this is big time stuff because let's be honest all three of those could be headliners in their own right right they're all headliners they're all in in separate sort of destinations or wherever in america or over here they're all headliners all of them i think boots versus ennis is the one i'm like okay boots versus surprise me sorry um who's in it oh sorry boots that would be a fun fight by the way if i made that mistake you'd be like ah you don't know anything look at this everyone knows that i'm the boxing guy yeah you know yourself you know yourself mistake right genuine mistake sure sure okay no boots versus all t's is crazy because um look boots fought recently and it wasn't great so i
Starting point is 00:19:55 think the idea of him turning around so quick kind of surprises me i'm not just turning around but turning around and going up in weight as well to 154 pounds. I think it's a fantastic fight. These guys kind of circled each other at 147 pounds and it never really happened because there wasn't enough money in it because the top dogs were Errol Spence and Terence Crawford. So for them to do this now, I want it and I'm happy for it. It just shocks me. But again, it goes to the power of season. And I guess when you look at the check and the check has a few more zeros than you're used to seeing, you're going to take the fight. Because I'm telling you now, Jaron Ennis and his team ideally would like another month, maybe two. Right. You want to you want to relax after a tough fight.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And it was a 12 round tough fight. You want to take some time off and then you want to go into a 10 week, 11 week training camp. That's now completely shortened. I'm not giving I'm not giving boots an inbuilt excuse but i'm saying boots would have preferred this fight in march or april but look it's a great card this is the kind of card you don't turn down um you know what's crazy like i don't know where this is going to be on the car but this could be like number four or five on the car yeah it's crazy it's crazy gigantic the zone main event right there um and it's it's matchroom versus golden boy uh i mean it's just it's aroom versus Golden Boy I mean, it's just
Starting point is 00:21:05 It's a fight that people have been talking about for quite some time Speaking of Matchroom versus Golden Boy Conspicuous by his absence At least On this particular report It's the first kind of real taste that we've received About this card that has been much talked about And let's be honest
Starting point is 00:21:21 Much hyped as well Everyone from Frank Warren to Eddie Hearn To Turkey Alshake himself Have said that this is going to be the best offering so far about and and and let's let's be honest much hyped as well uh everyone from frank warren to eddie hearn to turkey i'll shake himself have said that this is going to be the best offering so far in the uh you know the short life of riet season no shakur stevenson thus far not saying he's not on the card just not a part of the report um what we do know is it's not going to be williams apeta against him because uh he fought just a couple of weeks ago, Latino Knight. Now they're saying he's injured. A lot of people thought it was a mistake to take that fight against Farmer.
Starting point is 00:21:49 And look, it appears to have been a mistake. Now, some people are saying, look, he just didn't look all that good in the fight. Farmer may have even won. They're saying he's injured. We'll take them at their word. And all of a sudden you got Shakur going up against everyone. He's in multiple Twitter battles right now. Cambosis being one of his foes as well, but it seems as though we have zeroed in on a potential Shakur
Starting point is 00:22:11 Stevenson versus Kit Austin, Floyd Schofield fight. Eddie Hearn saying that an offer has been made. Dan has said that he is hearing no Shakur Stevenson on this card, but then I saw another report which says it's looking like he will be on the card. And so let me ask you this, A, do you want him on this card considering how stacked this one is? And B, if in fact he is on this card, do you like the idea of him
Starting point is 00:22:33 versus Kit Austin now that we're not getting this a pay to fight? You know what? I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm happy to save him for another card. This card is so busy and big you kind of can get lost in it and I wouldn't want to see Shakur Stevenson lost in a card it almost makes no sense Shakur Stevenson's a headline act right he's a main eventer that's what he's done for the last sort of four or five years that's all he's done and almost it would feel weird to see Shakur Stevenson sort of walk out at I don't know what time, early. It'd be strange to see. So I don't mind saving him until March, April. Let's not forget, he's coming off a hand injury
Starting point is 00:23:10 as well. Has it fully healed? Or is he rushing himself back to be in a fight? If he is going to be on the card, I like the idea of Floyd Schofield. Look, is Floyd ready? That's the question, right? I mean, he was just booked against h2o sylv on the netflix card and uh you know that's a big step up it is a big step up but i mean that's what you're supposed to go for the crown you like that again you're supposed to go for the top dog like call out the top dog no i mean why why go why go there when you can go there i mean go for it i mean they've had spars before i mean if, if you listen to Floyd Scofield, he'll tell you that he's had some success in those spars.
Starting point is 00:23:48 Obviously, sparring isn't fighting. But I like the idea of someone calling out the top dog. I like it. Now, whether or not Oscar De La Hoya and Eric Gomez almost, you know, unleash him, if you like, to go and take this fight, which is quite risky, we'll see. But it's something Oscar would have done. It's something Bernard Hopkins would have done. I referenced both of them, obviously, because they're golden boy.
Starting point is 00:24:08 They would have done this in their fighting days. You got to take risks sometimes. You got to go for it. And let's be honest, as good as Shakur is, and I think Shakur is a pound for pounder, he hasn't looked great. He hasn't looked like super Shakur Stevenson in his last couple of fights. So maybe you get him now after an injury maybe you get him now after a bit of a layoff whereas floyd's been a bit more active so i don't know i don't mind i will say this though joe cordina deserves an opportunity yeah and that and that was the one right that was the one that we were supposed to get um and and then everything kind of blew up i will say there are a ton of great storylines to watch come 2025.
Starting point is 00:24:52 We're essentially, you know, a month away from the conclusion of 2024. What Shakur Stevenson does and the way that he kind of moves forward with Matchroom, the two fights that he signed up with, I'm so intrigued by because A, I agree with you. Yeah, probably it would be best if you save him for another card because certainly, you know, these five fights are enough. But I kind of just want to see him fight at this point if he's healthy. I don't want to see him rush in there. I would love to see him fight Joe Cordina.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And I know Cordina doesn't have a ton of buzz surrounding him right now and he's coming off the loss and all that stuff. But like, I just want to see him fight. And so if it is, I mean, even if they, I doubt it's going to be Kambosis even though they were going back and forth. But like, I just want to see him fight. And so if it is, I mean, even if they, I doubt it's going to be Kambosis, even though they were going back and forth, but like, I just want to see him fight anyone at this point,
Starting point is 00:25:30 because eventually down the line, I think he turns into who we thought he was going to turn into. And there's still that dream of seeing him fight Tank Davis, which I think is one of the biggest fights that can be made for either guy, if they're peaking at the right time. Right. And so I get what you're saying, but like, I just want to see him back out there i want to see him fight if he's healthy
Starting point is 00:25:47 put him on there don't don't save that shit because who knows what could happen later and by the way if he fights in february that means maybe we could get him back you know i don't know summer you know early fall and get a couple out of him in 2025 no you know i take it back you are correct let's just see these guys. No, it's okay. Sometimes you hit the nail on the head and you did this time. Let's just see these guys fight. And I grouped Shakur in there with Devin, Ryan, Gervonta. I mean, I always feel like the American market moves the needle and these guys, they're not kids anymore. We're all grouped in order to be the next best thing right the next floyd the next manny pacquiao the next miguel cotto what those three guys i just mentioned did
Starting point is 00:26:29 was fight they gave you two free fights a year unfortunately these fighters are doing more talking than fighting we need to see them fight so i'm with you shakur should fight as soon as he can tiafema lopez should fight as soon as he can devon haney Lopez should fight as soon as he can. Devin Haney, Gervonta, Ryan, and I don't mean exhibition fights, real fights. These guys should all be fighting two, three times a year. Boxing could be so big in America if these superstars, and they are superstars, stayed active. And unfortunately, we're not getting activity from them. So I take it back. Shakur, if you're able to fight, fight. Man, 140 pounds to me there was once a time where 147 was viewed as like the glamour division and uh obviously heavyweight is beloved and you know there's always moments but right now for me i don't know if there's anything more intriguing
Starting point is 00:27:15 like you just mentioned those names and i know they can fluctuate but to me 140 earlier today i spoke to ryan garcia he appears to be in tremendous shape physically mentally spiritual like his face is different he's talking about to he's talking about haney too he's talking about tank too he's talking about shakur like that division right there just rifling off the names and how big they can be they have it they could be the four five six kings right they could be the four, five, six kings, right? They could be the Hagler, Hearns, and Durant. This could be their time. I just want them to fight. Like, I want them to be active.
Starting point is 00:27:50 There's too much time in between these fights. Obviously, the Garcia thing is a weird one, but like, Haney hasn't fought since then. Tank hardly fights. Tio is a little bit in, out. Shakur had his issues. If they all are figuring it out and fighting each other, this is the kind of stuff that you make documentaries about in 20 years' time. Dude, it's crazy. had his issues. If they all are figuring it out and fighting each other,
Starting point is 00:28:05 this is the kind of stuff that you make documentaries about in 20 years' time. Dude, it's crazy. Honestly, you could reel off. You're right. It's the best division in boxing. You can literally reel off 10 names and make five fights
Starting point is 00:28:17 and all of them be 50-50 exciting fights. Honestly, it's crazy. You've got a couple of kids in the UK as well. Jack Cattrall, let's not forget. Liam Powell fights Richardson Hitchens in a couple of kids in the UK as well Jack Cattrall let's not forget Liam Powell fights Richardson Hitchens in a couple of weeks time so the winner of that one is going to go
Starting point is 00:28:29 you mentioned Cambosos he's now in the division Cambosos can sell a fight he can mix it with some of these kids so look all we're doing right now is talking
Starting point is 00:28:39 because these guys aren't fighting like how how have we not seen Devin Haney versus Teofimo Lopez yet how's that how's that not happened how have we not seen Devin Haney versus Tiafema Lopez yet how's that how's that how's that not happened how have we not seen Shakur Stevenson versus Tank like that
Starting point is 00:28:50 they're clearly number one and two in that division how is that not how is that not even got to the negotiating table how has that not even been like discussed honestly it's I find it crazy I just find I just feel like there are so many big potential pay-per-view fights, like big money fights, selling out stadiums, arenas, and they're just not being made for I don't know what reason. I don't know what it is anymore. Because it isn't money, because we've clearly seen now with Riyadh season, you can get paid. You can get overpaid.
Starting point is 00:29:19 You can get paid well. So it can't be money. So what's the problem? Why aren't these fights happening back on october 12th i thought we you know were moving towards finally getting conor ben versus chris eubank jr it's i mean like it was right there right the face off they were going crazy i mean i mean i mean ben like like bum rushed the the the ring and he just like walked in seconds after eubank was done um and now reading the tea leaves once again,
Starting point is 00:29:46 it doesn't seem like we're getting it on February 22nd. I will say this is tremendous news because I saw an interview with Ben Shalom very recently earlier today, where he said, we're getting very close and it's looking like it's going to happen and it's going to happen at 160 and it's going to happen in the UK.
Starting point is 00:30:02 Now I know Connor Ben has been flirting with other options most recently saying, hey, Barrios, WBC belt, that might be of greater interest. Come on, you're not kidding anyone. We know you're trying to play the negotiation game. Now's the time to make it once and for all so we can all kind of move on with our lives.
Starting point is 00:30:20 But I have maintained from the beginning, there are two fights that have to be in the UK. No ifs, ands, or buts. The first one, Fury Joshua, and the second one is Ben Eubank. This has to be tremendous news as far as you're concerned, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:35 I'm a big fan of Conor Benn, and I know he's at his indiscretions, and that's now done, right? Let's move on from that because it's dragged on and on and on and on. UCAD have given him the green light the British Boxing Board of Control have given him the green light I think they've got a day or so to appeal their decision but they won't he's okay to fight now
Starting point is 00:30:53 in the UK and it has to be all systems go Chris Eubank Jr. now even Chris has tried to flirt with the idea of fighting someone else he's mentioned Canelo and I think Canelo's team shut that down immediately so there is no other fight for Chris as well I mean look Chris has got options but none as financially rewarding as Connor Ben Connor Ben Chris Eubank Jr sells out the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium here which is what 60,000 sells out just like that there's nothing we like over here more than a domestic dust-up and this one has now two years of beef plus their father's history as well it's a fantastic fight my only concern it's a small one is conor ben at 160
Starting point is 00:31:32 pounds like it like it it is a 147 fighter i mean his last couple of fights were at 154 and those guys looked a lot bigger than him in the ring um he's he's naturally a 147 sometimes you get a guy that just fits a division and conor ben's size and stature fits 147 so look that's the only way it's going to happen at 160 obviously chris can't come down in weight at all not at this age as well he can't even come down to 157 it's going to be at 160 but it is what it is i just want it to happen because you know i've been building up for it for two and a half years but it is what it is i just want it to happen because you know i've been building up for it for two and a half years now which is a joke so let it just happen and let's move on two and a half years ariel no i know i mean the saga i did the face off two and a half
Starting point is 00:32:16 years ago golly crazy um you know if i had to pick one concession i prefer a 147 moving up to 160 as opposed to a big guy like eubank trying to move down i know he wasn't going down to 47 but even like 57 58 i prefer that i mean we just saw amanda serrano 126 essentially fight at 140 so not much difference right yeah no agreed i mean if it's going to happen one way let it happen that way anyone trying to cut weight and then try and rehydrate on the day it's a silly uh conor ben probably walks around at 175 maybe even a bit higher so it's not like it's not it's like he's coming down from 160 he's going to still come down and have to cut weight to make 160 so yeah i agree let it happen that way but let it happen i mean can we just start this? What's everyone doing?
Starting point is 00:33:06 I bet they're trying to do who's A-side, who's B-side, who gets the most money, who walks first, all the things that we as fight fans don't care about. But hopefully we get an announcement. I think Eddie said something about potentially the first quarter of 2025. So hopefully we're talking sort of march maybe latest april um or maybe i'm guessing when the season's done here the football season which is may so i'm thinking probably early may we might get that one uh and and it would be good to see and and we're not sure if if riyad season will be
Starting point is 00:33:40 a part of it but just to see matrim and boxer working together by the way do you do you put any value to this barrio stuff like do you think he actually would take that fight over this one or is he just trying to play the game just playing a game yeah just playing a game you know how it works i mean you've been around this game for a long time you've got to show that you've got options you can't show that you're desperate yeah although conor benn is certainly desperate for this fight but i like the barrios one by the way I've always said that I feel like the welterweight division, minus Jaron Ennis, is the weakest it's been for years in terms of world champions.
Starting point is 00:34:12 And that's no disrespect to the world champions, Brian Norman, Stani Onis, and Barrios. I just feel like it's open. It's open. And I actually think Conor Benn could cause Barrios some problems. So look, that's there. If Conor Benn were to win or lose against Chris Eubank Jr., there is a title there.
Starting point is 00:34:30 It's there. Barrios will take the fight because it's a big money fight for Barrios as well. So at least he's got some options, Conor Benn. But the first one, without doubt, it's Chris Eubank Jr. It's just,
Starting point is 00:34:39 it's just got to happen. It has to happen. Well, Ade, you talk about a domestic dust-up. I love that term, by the way. We've got a proper one this Saturday, November 30th. You will be there in Birmingham.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Not to be confused with Birmingham, as we say here in America. It's Birmingham, all right? It's Birmingham. And it's a- Brum, they call it Brum. Brum, yeah. Shout out to Brum. Shout out to Aston Villa and everyone down there.
Starting point is 00:35:04 This is one that's been brewing for quite some time. There's a rich, deep history here between these two fighters, and they've done a tremendous job selling this fight, 2015, they fought on the amateur scene. You know, Yafai gets picked over Edwards to represent Team GB in the Olympics. He wins four years later or five years later, if my math is correct, or four years later, whatever it was with the COVID and whatnot. Yeah, it would be five years because of 2021. In any event, he wins the gold medal. Sonny Edwards goes down a pro path.
Starting point is 00:35:45 He becomes a world champion. They've sparred together. It kind of feels a little bit like Ryan and Haney with the amateur rivalry now turning into a pro rivalry, if you will. And I think Matchroom has done a tremendous job of selling this fight and telling the backstory. I want to quickly play, if I can, the promo that they dropped. I think the Matchroom team does the best job in all of combat sports. Wow. Really, I say that over any
Starting point is 00:36:11 promotion out there. Boxing, MMA, pro wrestling, bare knuckle, kickboxing, Matchroom, in my opinion, led by the great Alex Haynes. I do have to give them credit. They do the best when it comes to these promos and telling the stories
Starting point is 00:36:25 and getting you emotionally invested. Want to play the promo if we can. And then on the back end, if you can maybe enlighten the non-UK audience as to why this is such a great matchup and why they are selling it as a bloodline matchup, I would be delighted. First, here's said promo.
Starting point is 00:36:41 What's it like growing up in a fighting family? I don't know, man. But it's all I knew. You learn the hard way, I suppose. It's fight or flight. So I chose to stand and fucking fight. Simple. Yeah, man, taking a few beatings,
Starting point is 00:36:59 shed a few tears, bled a little. I got faster. I got slicker. Soon, I couldn't be touched. Anded a little, I got faster, I got slicker. Soon, I couldn't be touched. And that's when this shit got fun. I watched my brother become world champion.
Starting point is 00:37:15 I watched my brother become world champion. And I thought, I want a bit of that. And I did, and I'll do it again. And when I do, I'll do it for a name. My name. It's more than pride. It's blood. It's family.
Starting point is 00:37:34 And that means everything. Maybe you're listening to this and my words don't resonate. But that's okay, because they will. When I walk to that ring on November the 30th, take a moment and read the name on the shorts. Look at the figure beside me. This isn't just about me. It's about me, it's about him, it's about us.
Starting point is 00:37:55 And all the lessons they taught me. Edwards. Yafoi. This is our story. This is our story. This is our heritage. This is our bloodline. Let me tell you. Wow.
Starting point is 00:38:25 There's just nothing better. There's nothing better than a fight that is told in that way. I have goosebumps watching that. There is nothing better. We don't get enough of that in combat sports. That was beautiful. If I could sit here right now and say, I think that might be the promo of the year,
Starting point is 00:38:40 and we've gotten some good ones, but give me that. Give me that at any day over the six-minute theatrical thing that we get sometimes for the re-ad fights give me that emotion blood sweat and tears give me that story give me that backstory give me all of that i could bathe in that i love that stuff and so you know it is enough for me tell us tell us tell us the whole thing i want to hear why is this so special this fight i think the reason it's touched the nerve with you as well is because it's real yeah again you mentioned those those four or five minute videos that we get which look some people enjoy but i guess that there's nothing to them is there it's just that there's characters these are real people and the story between the fire brothers and the
Starting point is 00:39:19 edwards brothers is quite interesting so for those of you that don't know there's three of five brothers there's cal your fire who was a world champion, who was a longstanding world champion, by the way, only lost to, only lost a couple of times. He lost his world title to Chocolatito, Roman Gonzalez. So no shame in that. Then there's another brother called Gamal Yafai, who was a European champion. And then there's, and then there's Galal, the younger one, right? The one that everyone said was the best, but you hear that a lot. So you wasn't quite sure. And then on the Edwards side, there's Charlie Edwards and Sonny Edwards. Charlie Edwards went on to become a world champion. So everyone initially thought that we were going to see a case of Cali fight versus Charlie Edwards. That's where those two were kind of locked. And
Starting point is 00:40:00 he felt that there was going to be a fight between those two brothers. It never materialized. And then we kept hearing about the younger brothers that were coming up, Sonny and Kel, your fight. Now, Sonny and Kel have a lot of history because they used to spar each other, number one, but they also used to compete with each other as amateurs. Sonny actually beat Kel and everyone thought Sonny was going to go on to be the superstar for Team GB. Didn't happen, could be politics, call it what you want, but they chose Kell to represent Team GB. He did successfully, went on to become Olympic gold medalist. Sonny went on to become a world
Starting point is 00:40:36 champion in the pro ranks. They have sparred hundreds, and I mean hundreds of rounds of each other. Sonny will say he got the best. Kel would say he got the best. We'll find out come Saturday in Birmingham. But these guys know each other so well. The brothers know each other so well. The boxing sort of family over here know each other. So we know each other's families so well.
Starting point is 00:41:00 It's honestly, there's a lot of backstory between all brothers. But now it's the best's honestly, there's a lot of backstory between all brothers, but now it's the best two brothers that are left standing. And this is a genuine 50, 50 fight between two guys that know each other so well and have their own little backstory between them. But it's a backstory between the whole family, but it's almost left with these two standing now, which makes it fascinating. It's for the, uh, interim WBC flyweight title.
Starting point is 00:41:25 We don't care about that. Well, i'm just saying it's a division perhaps it doesn't get a ton of attention but we remember about a year ago uh sunny edwards going up against bam rodriguez here in america in arizona giving him a tough fight but you know bam is is one of the best and and his stock has only gotten uh even greater since then how big of a deal is this back home in the uk because i love the backstory. I love that. I mean, like it's more than a decade, really, when you start factoring the brothers and whatnot,
Starting point is 00:41:51 the family history and the lineage. How big of a deal is this getting the proper attention back home? It is. It is. Everyone likes Sonny because Sonny talks a lot and he's not afraid to voice his opinions about anyone and anything. He tweeted recently about drug testing in sports. So he's very vocal, very outspoken. If I is not really that, I mean, Kel is just very, very quiet.
Starting point is 00:42:11 He's one of those that gets in the ring and does what he needs to do in the ring. He lets his gloves do the talking, so to speak. So it is getting the push. It's getting the push mainly because of Sonny. A lot of people know who Sonny is. Obviously, you mentioned that Baron Rodriguez fight. But before then, he's had world title fights over here. of people know who Sonny is. Obviously, you mentioned that Baron Rodriguez fight, but before then, he's had world title fights
Starting point is 00:42:27 over here. So we know who he is and we know he fights well because he's an Olympic gold medalist. Yeah. So you've got an Olympic gold medalist against a former world champion and again,
Starting point is 00:42:35 the backstory. So it's definitely getting the push. You're right. Matchroom have really pushed it as well. They've done a fantastic job in selling the story. The face-off is out there now. There are more things on DAZN's YouTube page about the in selling the story the face-off is out there now there are more
Starting point is 00:42:45 things on the zones youtube page about the the brothers and the story between the brothers so make sure you go and watch that it will be in a sold-out arena that's sold out some good fights on the undercard as well callum smith is back so it's good to see callum smith back so it's getting the real push and as you said the the smaller weights don't really get the push. But I think in recent years, because of Estrada, Chocolatito, Orung Vasai, Bam Rodriguez, I think eyes are now on the smaller fighters because they deliver. They go in and they fight.
Starting point is 00:43:18 There is no kind of, you know, feel-out rounds and looking tired after a couple of rounds. They will give you 12 rounds of action. And I'm pretty sure this one's going to be a 12-round war well yeah the uh the resorts world arena in birmingham is hosting this fight i saw some people debating all right like who has the edge as far as experience is concerned obviously yafai has less pro fights on his resume but that's because he was spending a lot of time going after olympic gold as you mentioned Sonny Edwards, former world champion, fought Bam Rodriguez on the biggest of stages. And so it comes down to like
Starting point is 00:43:49 fighting Bam for, you know, a world title or Olympic gold. What gives you greater experience? Like, is Yafai ready for this step up? Is he ready for the bright lights?
Starting point is 00:43:59 When he fought in Tokyo and won gold, there was no one in attendance, but still that's, you know, that's the mountaintop as far as amateur, but still that's, you know, that's the mountaintop as far as amateur boxing is concerned. Where do you fall on that one? Does it all kind of equal out despite the fact that Yafai has less pro fights on his resume?
Starting point is 00:44:13 No, I think Sonny has the more experience. I mean, Sonny has been in big fights. Again, he doesn't, it doesn't get bigger than Bam away from home as well. That experience of, of that, even though it was a loss Bam is a front foot fighter he always is aggressive he's going to cause you problems that's kind of what your fire is as well and your fight isn't as good as Bam so Sonny has to take that from that but your fire has been in big fights as well I mean if they've pushed your fight quickly since he's turned pro because of the olympic background because of the amateur background as well so your fight has got experience but I mean because of the Olympic background, because of the amateur background as well.
Starting point is 00:44:45 So your fight has got experience. But I mean, if you're going to edge to one, it's got to be to Sonny because Sonny has been there. Sonny, what I like about Sonny as well, Sonny's come from really small shows, fighting in front of a man and his dog to where he is now. So he's done it the hard way. And I think he holds that as a bit of a grudge. I think he thinks that the red carpet has been rolled out for your fire. And he's had to do it the hard way because he wasn't picked for team GB. So I think Sonny's got a chip on his shoulder here.
Starting point is 00:45:11 So I'm expecting to see a really, really good Sonny Edwards, but your fire is special. So, um, honestly, it's, it's such a pick and fight. I love both of them. Normally I do pick a winner. This one, my bum is going to be perched firmly On a fence because I ain't got a clue Yeah and you're working it as well So a proper journalist, a proper broadcaster You can't make a pick
Starting point is 00:45:30 That's what you were supposed to say Sorry My bum will be on the couch Watching at home and I can't wait I love the backstory, I love how they Have sold it, I love the lineage All that stuff, so can't wait for that. Again, that's this Saturday from Birmingham on DAZN.
Starting point is 00:45:49 Catch it. 7 p.m. UTC. I say, by the way, I say UK time because, you know, all these different BST, UTCs, all this stuff is confusing to me. Whatever that is, that would be 2 p.m. back home here in the United States. And that's the full slate of things to come
Starting point is 00:46:07 you got a press conference what a good fight poster as well look at that fight poster it's classic bloodline clean simple
Starting point is 00:46:12 wonderful yeah and shout out to you know the other bloodline that will be going toe to toe this weekend at Survivor Series
Starting point is 00:46:19 that's Roman Reigns' OG bloodline and Solo Sokoa's new bloodline you know when I agreed to sign up to this show, there was no wrestling. At most, we can do a bit of football,
Starting point is 00:46:30 darts, but no wrestling. What came first? I mean, there's two bloodlines, a few that you played out on the same weekend. Who would have thought? Now, Are, speaking of Matchroom, we have to welcome in our guest. Let us go to a land down under and say hello now to the newest member of the Matchroom team.
Starting point is 00:46:50 This man is a former IBO, WBA, IBF, WBO, and ring lightweight champion. We just found out about five, six days ago that he is joining the Matchroom stable. He is the ferocious one, Mr. George Cambosis Jr., and he is kind enough to join us right now. George, my man, how are you? Thank you for joining us. My pleasure, guys. Hope all is well.
Starting point is 00:47:14 All is great over here. We'll start with the news. Ultimately, why did you decide to sign with Eddie Hearn and Matchroom? Look, Matchroom and myself have a huge history together. I won my World's Holder Eliminator. I won my Undisputed Championship on their show, under their bright lights. It just made sense. I can see their vision.
Starting point is 00:47:36 I can see Eddie Hearn's vision. It's just a great fit for this part of my career. I can see exactly where we are lining up and where we are going. Okay, so you talk about the vision. Can you share some of that vision with us? What are they selling you? Look, it's all to come, but we will be back in the ring in February,
Starting point is 00:47:55 late February. We'll have a great fight. Looking forward to making a statement at 140 moving up a division. And then I'm sure that there will be a well-told fight mid-year to late 2025. giving up a division. And then I'm sure that there will be a world title fight, you know, uh, mid years to like 2025. Ariel,
Starting point is 00:48:09 can I just say this? And I think you're quite rude, actually. I feel like you've not introduced George correctly. I mean, I know you've ruled off all the titles, but I feel like you need to give George more love than that. Cause I think George is incredible.
Starting point is 00:48:20 I think he's, what do you want me to do? You want me to say that he's outstanding. I mean, he's a tremendous guy. I called do you want me to say that he's outstanding i mean he's a tremendous guy i called him a gent okay i'm sorry i'm sorry now you're making me look bad in front of our guests no no no no i think he's just outstanding i think you know what yeah not many fighters do what george does delivers in the ring and knows how to sell a fight outside the ring like george should almost like create something and just sell it to fighters and
Starting point is 00:48:41 this is how you promote a fight i think george is fantastic. I think what he does in Australia. Sorry, George, go on. We've got the blueprint. I totally understand where you're coming from. And Ariel, obviously, we've been on the show together and obviously big respect. I love what you do. Correct.
Starting point is 00:48:59 You know, not only I sell the fights. I'm a promoter's dream. I've gone and achieved, you and achieved so many world titles. Been into the lines then, beat pound-for-pound guys, four pound-for-pound guys, lost to pound-for-pound guys, stadium fights, numbers. The list goes on. We know how to brand ourselves and who knows.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Now you've created a business thing in my head now where I'm going to go back to my team and say, hey, let's create something, an e-book or something where we can show all these other fighters how to correctly manage their careers. Exactly, exactly. George, last fight against the great Vasily Nemachenko. After that fight, was there any consideration at staying at 135 pounds? Was there any ever a thought in your mind of saying, okay, we've done, we achieved what we wanted to do. We won all these titles. We sold out arenas. Fingers crossed you made some good money. Was there ever any consideration about calling quits? No, no, never. Can you imagine telling
Starting point is 00:50:03 your favorite fighters and my favourite fighters, the Durans, the Muhammad Ali's, you know, Sugar Ray Leonard's, all these legends back in the past after one or two losses or losing to two certain guys, give it up, retire. They wouldn't be the legends they are today. So I've only lost to Devin Haney, massive lightweight at that stage, and the great Vasily Lomachenko. So for me, I take that experience with me.
Starting point is 00:50:28 I know the experience I have felt and learnt throughout these fights, throughout these battles, and we keep moving forward. For me, I've always been, and I wanted to fight the best. I don't care about wins, losses, draws. It doesn't matter to me. I want to fight the best. I want to leave a legacy. And you can see our resume.
Starting point is 00:50:46 We have the best, one of the best resumes, if not the best resume in boxing today. Now, you look at my last five, six fights, the guys we have fought, we stepped to them. And now when you look at all these other guys and these big names at lightweight, compare it at lightweight right now, 135, who have they fought when you talk about a guy like Kambosis?
Starting point is 00:51:06 So we're looking forward to 140. I knew after that Lomachenko fight that it was time to make the move up. I knew when I saw myself at the weigh-in where Lomachenko actually flew a bit bigger and thicker than me, I thought, no,
Starting point is 00:51:18 I've lost too much muscle here, so it's time for me to go up to 140. Okay, that was actually going to be my question. Why the decision to move up to 140 You just answered it there And so let me ask you This rumored card in Australia I do believe Jai Pataya is going to be a part of it as well
Starting point is 00:51:35 There's some talk of Sky Nicholson too So it seems like a real celebration of Australian boxing Any talk about who you may be facing on this card? I believe Jai is going to go in January and our one's looking at end of February. Okay. Unless they're getting him back to back, which would be amazing. Sky Nicholson is doing amazing things as well. She's building a really good fan base, especially here in Australia. So it's going to be a fantastic card. Any card that can boost us
Starting point is 00:52:00 is a part of, is a big fight and I I'm always headlining. When we talk numbers, we talk attendances, there's only one guy. Regardless of my wins and losses, I still feel that I'm one of the biggest names in the world of boxing. It's the guys who I fight, the guys who I step to, the numbers I've generated, or my social media antics. I have a lot of fun as well. We keep building. We have some names. We have some good names. We've got some guys inside the top 10.
Starting point is 00:52:26 So, look, I step to dangerous guys, to guys that are serious fighters. There's no point taking, you know, a very easy fight. I will come into the 140 division and I'll get my feet wet and I will take a serious, you know, guy inside, you know, the top 15. I like that. I love that, George. And look, your record tells us that that is the case. Again, a lot of people say they're going to do this and do that,
Starting point is 00:52:50 but you have done this and done that. So I believe you when you say that. Obviously, look, everyone's been talking about a potential all-Australian showdown with Liam Parra. Obviously, he's got his work to do with Richardson Hitchens and then maybe Jack Cattrall, but surely that's the one down the line that you're thinking that does the stadium,
Starting point is 00:53:06 any stadium in Australia if you two lock horns. Yeah, look, Liam Parra is a friend. We are friends, but business is business and I've stayed very quiet.
Starting point is 00:53:18 I've let, you know, their side and the media build off it. There's no need for me to have jumped in. The last week I have said some things now where he's got his fight coming up and I'm supporting him, I'm in his corner.
Starting point is 00:53:32 But it's a big fight. It's a smart fight. He still is trying to build to become that household name. I am that household name here in Australia. I can't walk down the street without getting stopped 10, 15 times. I am the presence. Belt, no belt, coming off wins, coming off losses. I am the name. Cambosis is the name. And like I said, I'm still one of the biggest names in the world of boxing. So yes, that does stadium
Starting point is 00:54:00 fights. That does numbers. But without Cambosis, it doesn't do anything. George, you are ferocious in the ring. You're also ferocious, as you just alluded to, on social media, on X as well. I mean, I would not want to cross you because you come after everyone. You've got responses for days. It's entertaining at times.
Starting point is 00:54:19 And recently, you have gone back and forth with Shakur Stevenson, who we were talking about earlier. Feels like the timing isn't right right now, but do you foresee potentially a fight with Shakur in 2025? Is it possible? And what is the issue there, if you can tell us? Yeah, look, for me on social media, especially on Twitter, I never go at anyone. I sit back. I'm very happy.
Starting point is 00:54:43 You know, 99% of the time, I'm here in my beautiful private gym. The other time, I'm with my family and enjoying my life. I live a very simple life. But if someone comes at me on social media, someone attacks me, this is my profession. I take this
Starting point is 00:55:00 very, very seriously. So if someone's going to attack me, I for a night, I'm going to come back at you. And if they can take it, then so be it. Me and Shakur, we are best of friends. Not really, but, you know,
Starting point is 00:55:11 we always find each other going back and forth. He likes to try to start something and always love to finish it. He always throws in the towel. So, yeah, like I said, if he's serious, no problem, we can fight.
Starting point is 00:55:23 You know, one guy that's not scared of nobody can fight you know one guy that's not scared of nobody fight any man um living it does not really matter man if he wants to step to it we can step to it but like i said i'm at 140 now i'm not coming down to 135 there is nothing for me at 135 now so drop your belt make us a petter an email chump and um come see me i love it honestly this is what i was alluding to earlier, Ari. I was saying, look, no one does it better than George, right? Give him a mic and let him go, and anyone can get it.
Starting point is 00:55:52 George, your last few fights have been in Australia. Obviously, look, you do good numbers there, as you mentioned. Are we going to see you go abroad again? Your biggest win was abroad. I mean, there's a lot of UK fight fans. I'd love to see you fight in the UK. There's a few 140 pounders that you could match up against. Any chance of seeing you in your next couple of fights come outside of Australia?
Starting point is 00:56:13 Well, early in my career, I was a road warrior. That's what I was known for. I fought all over the world. I went from Greece to Palo Alto to London to America multiple times. I fought all over the world. I was in the Philippines for a long time as well with Manny Pacquiao. So right now, I'm such a big name where, you know, it makes a lot of sense here in Australia.
Starting point is 00:56:34 But, of course, I want to be back overseas. I'd love to be back fighting in Las Vegas or New York. So, look, I've got a great team. Obviously, now Eddie Hearn, Matt Shroom behind me. I've got my long-time promoter, Lou DiBella. And, again, my company as well, Fresh Promotions. We all have visions, and wherever it goes, I'm ready to fight. And I've got, I believe, one of the best managers in the world in Jim Cambosis.
Starting point is 00:56:59 He has some fantastic fighters. So, you know, we have a good team. And wherever we are, we're ready to fight. You don't have to ask me twice. You mentioned New York, George, and amazingly, here in America, over in the UK, it is still November the 26th, but where you reside right now, it is November 27th. And it's amazing because it was on November 27th, 2021, when you went into New York and beat Teofimo Lopez. Obviously, as of right now, I would say the greatest moment of your career. I think you would agree with that statement as well.
Starting point is 00:57:30 How do you celebrate this day? Do you sit back with the family and watch the fight? What do you guys do to celebrate this incredible occasion? We'll probably just look at some photos of me beating him up and have a laugh. And, you know, it is what it is. That was three years ago. We're here now. You know, we still continue to build our name, and it's crazy. You know, you look at the way his career has progressed, and, yeah, he might have a belt right now,
Starting point is 00:57:55 but a poor guy can't do any numbers, can't put any money in his bank. So, for us, our career has gone another way, and we have fought, you know, the best of the best. And, yes, we've taken some losses, but still we have that presence. And you said, yes, that is probably one of, you know, the best, you know, history of my career. But again, filling out Marvel Stadium, even though I took the loss against Devin Haney, that was an amazing moment. I fought in the Great Lomachenko in my last fight.
Starting point is 00:58:23 And I sold the RAC arena. I know you're a UFC guy and MMA guy. So for us, we beat that record there. So that is a nice little give back to the MMA guys. So look, there is so many great moments. But again, it is coming up to three years now. So we'll see what happens. We might be doing it again in the future.
Starting point is 00:58:43 I'm always here. That was the follow-up. You keep stealing it right at the end there any chance we see that one i would love to see it again what do you think i've said it multiple times look i went into new york i went into his backyard now if he wants to get that lick back if he wants to get that try to get that that win back you've got to come see where I am. Come and fill that hostile territory now. It makes sense? No problem. For me, I fight him any time.
Starting point is 00:59:09 We hate each other. There is no love there at all. There is bad blood. And if he walked right on the outside of my gym or tried to come into my gym, it'd be bare knuckle. Damn. Damn. Jeez.
Starting point is 00:59:22 But again, my father can go at his father as well. No problem. We've already beat them 2-0. Damn. I. Jeez. But again, my father can go at his father as well. No problem. We've already, we've already beat them 2-0. Damn. I love it. Honestly, I love this.
Starting point is 00:59:30 I should be saying no, no violence, but no more, more, more. I love it. George, what's the plan now,
Starting point is 00:59:36 George? Are you, are you hunting down world titles or because you've already done that, is it a case of just being in big, big fun fights? Both. World titles, you know, that, is it a case of just being in big, big fun fights? Both. World titles, you know, is every goal.
Starting point is 00:59:49 And I've been able to win world titles, have all the world titles at home in my cabinet. And of course, world titles bring even more eyes. But again, fun fights as well, the biggest fights possible. Keep being me. Keep training extremely hard. Keep that hunger. And so many people say,
Starting point is 01:00:05 you've done so much. How do you keep that hunger? How do you still keep training? A lot of these young boys that come to the gym with me can't believe the way I am and the way I train. Take a day off. Have a rest. I love this game. Yes, big fights, full total fights, legacy fights, and everything that comes with it. I do want to ask you, you will remember way back when Marvin Hagler once said that it's hard to wake up in the morning at 5 a.m. to hit the pavement when you're sleeping in silk pajamas. In retrospect, did you experience any of that post-TO, post-stadium shows, post all of that? You talk about the private gym and whatnot.
Starting point is 01:00:44 That wasn't always the case in your life, I presume. Is that something that you can now relate to in your career, that when you make it to the top and you make the money, that maybe the motivation is hard to come by? Look, that's every boxer's dream. Every boxer's dream is, you know, you've got three dreams in boxing, three ultimate, you know, you want to tick off. One is become a world champion.
Starting point is 01:01:08 Next one is to make money. And number three is to be in the biggest spots possible and create that legacy. And I've ticked them off. So, again, I'm never going to sit here and say, oh, you know, making money doesn't change you. Making money doesn't give you more luxuries, of course. But the hungry fighter I am, I'm always training.
Starting point is 01:01:24 This is my gym. This is where I put in work, and I continue to work hard. And yes, I know Marvin Hagler's quote, it's hard to get up when you're in your pajamas, but luckily, I don't sleep in any pajamas. That's quite the visual. I like it. I like it, George. When do you think We get the announcement Of
Starting point is 01:01:45 When Where Who you'll be fighting I've just I've just lost you Can you still see me Yeah we can see you Yeah
Starting point is 01:01:53 Can you hear us Yeah I can hear you Yeah I believe In the next few weeks We will get an announcement Okay We'll stand by I'm very confident
Starting point is 01:02:04 What I'm hearing. It's going to be, uh, in Australia, um, which is cool again for, for the Australian fans. But again,
Starting point is 01:02:10 like I said, Cambosis is always ready to go wherever, um, needed to fight. Love it, George. The ferocious is back. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:18 Uh, congratulations on signing with match room. Thank you very much for the time on this Wednesday, a happy anniversary to you and your family three years ago on the big win. And we look forward to your return
Starting point is 01:02:31 in early 2025. Thanks, guys. Love what you guys do and I look forward to chatting with you guys again. Thank you, Josh. Cheers, dude. Same here.
Starting point is 01:02:41 All right, there he is. The ferocious one, George Kambosis. My son, Walter, would say if he's watching this live right now, he would say, stop the glaze. dude same here all right there he is uh the ferocious one george cambosis uh my son walter would say if he's watching this live right now ade he would say stop the glaze i mean the glazing was unreal i mean i give credit i give credit where the credit is due you heard him for 20 minutes there that guy sold himself so good for 20 minutes. For 20 minutes. You've had guests on where I've fallen asleep. No, he's great.
Starting point is 01:03:09 I'm a big fan. He's fantastic. By the way, you didn't mention to him in our group chat when we were talking about who he'd have on. I'm the one that said get George Kambosis on. I'm the one that said I wanted to talk to him. None of you, certainly not you. I mean, you never even chime in. You just let everyone else do everything, and you pop in with a voice note here or there
Starting point is 01:03:26 I mean golly this guy And he's like you didn't tell him how great he is I mean the glazing is unreal Stop the glaze I'm going to make a shirt Stop the glaze He's so good Look what he said about Tia Fimo
Starting point is 01:03:42 Even Shakur He's just ready He's ready for anyone And look he said about Tia Fimo. Yeah. I was like, oh, even Shakur. I'm like, yeah, sign me up. He's just ready. He's ready for anyone. And look, this is what I like. He loses. He doesn't run, doesn't hide. He takes the loss, but he understands his worth.
Starting point is 01:03:55 He knows his value. And I think some of these younger fighters should take something of that. It's not all about the O. I think Floyd Mayweather made the O such a big thing. You can take a loss. You can come back and you can still be in big fights. And he's lost to Haney. He's lost to Vasily Lomachenko. But he's now chasing the big fights.
Starting point is 01:04:11 And trust me, those guys are chasing him as well because he's a payday. He brings a lot of attention. He sells the fight. A lot of eyeballs on it. So, yeah, big fan. I will glaze as much as glazing can be when it comes to George Kambosos. Okay, so I'll point the finger at myself now I'm known to glaze Especially when it comes to the matchroom
Starting point is 01:04:32 Promos and whatnot And I was just doing that Alex and the boys What they did with Edwards and Yefai And so given that respect and admiration That I have for their marketing team Over the weekend I started to see these promos for a big announcement, a new signing. And I'm seeing these posters and I'm seeing these teasers.
Starting point is 01:04:52 And I'm like, who do they got? Like, who is it? You know, like this type of love, this type of TLC, we don't often see. And so I'm hitting everyone up. I'm hitting up people in Matchroom. I'm hitting up insiders. I think I hit you up. I hit up DAZN people. I'm hitting up insiders. I think I hit you up. I hit up DAZN people.
Starting point is 01:05:07 I'm like, who is it? Is it Tank Davis? Is it Jake Paul? Who is it? Is it Ryan Garcia? I mean, who could deserve this kind of attention? And then, you know, the news comes out. I'm happy they put the two bucks on here at this point.
Starting point is 01:05:21 The news comes out, and it's Pat Brown, the 2024 Olympian who represented Great Britain. But is that not big enough for you? I'm just giving you the details. Didn't medal or anything like that. Wait, no, no. No, wait. Didn't medal?
Starting point is 01:05:39 It hasn't. Well, I mean, I'm just stating the facts. No one says that about anyone. Well, I mean, I'm just stating the facts. No one says that about anyone. Well, I mean, usually you say like Olympic gold medalist, Galalia. You say Olympian. You say Olympian. Didn't get a medal.
Starting point is 01:05:53 I was there. I was there. I mean, I, no, I saw a lot of boxing. I did. And so anyways, I was just wondering if, you know, the promotion, the hype, the buzz, I mean, that's what a promotional company should do if it fit the announcement, in your opinion, as a Brit, as a big Olympic boxing fan. I know you love the Olympic Games. I did see that they had a great turnout today, fair play.
Starting point is 01:06:19 A lot of fans came on 24 hours notice, media luncheon, all that stuff and more. No one puts on the bells and whistles better than they do but i i was i guess a little bit surprised that it was that big of a deal maybe i'm missing something so can you educate me no no no look you are correct let me not just try and pretend that like you're the only one i think once we saw like an image i think there was like an image and i was like oh my god who could it be i was genuinely like have they signed or stolen someone from another promotional company i was chucking so many names at alex haynes and he kept batting him away and i was like who have i missed but honestly i was like honestly like who have i missed so you know when it when it was revealed that it was pat brown look we know of here who pat is, but I was expecting someone,
Starting point is 01:07:06 someone bigger. But they're so excited about Pat Brown that they think he deserves all that hype. I mean, as you said, there was a press conference today, very late notice one, which pretty much sold out. All the seats were taken. They were standing room only
Starting point is 01:07:19 to kind of hear him speak. They even asked me, the great one, Ade Oladipo, to go up there and host it. I said, I can't. I'm doing the show with Ariel. Ah, yeah. There you go. Look at that.
Starting point is 01:07:27 This is serious. Look at the pictures. And look, in that sort of region, Manchester, there hasn't been a big name fighter since maybe Anthony Kroller
Starting point is 01:07:35 and obviously before that, Ricky Hatton. So they're trying to open up that market again and it's a massive market. He is a big Manchester United fan. So obviously, if you can align him
Starting point is 01:07:44 to that club, the biggest club they say in. So obviously if you can align him to that club, the biggest club they say in world football, then you're going to get that fan base as well. He's a good looking guy. He's fought as a heavyweight, as an amateur, but he's going to be fighting as a cruiserweight, as a pro. I think he's like six foot six. He can punch. So they're just hoping they've got one here. And I guess now it's a case of the matchroom machine. So whether it be eddie or the promotional machine just to push him as much as possible so um again as i said at the top i thought it would have been they made it sound like they signed muhammad ali 2.0 but we say it because we love
Starting point is 01:08:21 by the way i hope they use this by the way i hope they use this when he's like 30 you know and like all the media they make a hit piece on us and all these people didn't believe i i hope We say it because we love. By the way, I hope they use this. I hope they use this when he's like 30 and 0. And all the media, they make a hit piece on us. And all these people didn't believe. I hope they use this. I wish the best. I believe. I believe.
Starting point is 01:08:33 All right. I believe. He's got a really good trainer in Jamie Moore. Obviously, he's managed by Sam Jones. He literally has all the parts, doesn't he? He's got all the pieces of the puzzle here. Sam Jones will sell him and sell him. Eddie, as soon as you turn on the tv eddie will sell him jamie moore's a fantastic trainer and that manchester region is crying out for a superstar
Starting point is 01:08:52 and i think he could be that guy but look again we don't know who knew aj was going to be that big who knew i mean you want a gold medal because i mean yeah it doesn't mean anything doesn't mean anything in today's olympics uh i don know about that what a medal is a medal transfer it doesn't transfer over to meaning you're going to be in a sure but it gives you something it gives you some sort of like all right you're a gold medalist you're a silver medalist i mean like most of those people transition into something right yeah tony yoko yeah yeah I just literally thought of that one I was like I'm gonna I'm gonna lose this
Starting point is 01:09:26 argument I need to think of someone quick and I did I'm looking forward to it he's going to debut at cruiserweight in 2025 so we wish him well and fair play to everyone involved putting on that
Starting point is 01:09:37 event and all the fans who seem to be behind him now we were talking about this weekend November 30th the the big bloodline fight between Edwards and Yefai. Let us not forget about Thursday. And you joke about the wrestling references, but I do have to mention this. Historically, when I was growing up, Thanksgiving, and I grew up in Canada, we didn't
Starting point is 01:09:56 even celebrate Thanksgiving. The thing to watch on Thanksgiving night, which is the last Thursday in November, was always WWF Survivor Series, the special turkey tradition of watching team versus team survivors. They don't do that anymore. They have it on the weekend. They're having it this weekend in Vancouver. Why do I mention this? Because if you're not into football, which there'll be plenty of here in America, and I'm talking about American NFL football, you can watch Misfits X Series 019, the Qatar Supercard. And this is a supercard. As far as the Misfits world is concerned, this is as big as it gets, right? It has all the big names.
Starting point is 01:10:35 Salt Poppy, King Kenny, Gibbs, Slim, all these characters that I know you, Ade, love. And if I'm being honest, you helped introduce them to us. I built, I built, I built this business. Okay. Let's not get crazy. You, Wade and, uh, you know, all the crew down there, Ben Davis does a tremendous job as well. He's fantastic.
Starting point is 01:10:56 He's fantastic. Ben Davis. I mean, he is, he's a freaking, you know, I mean, he's everywhere. He's omnipresent. I mean, he's at Dirty Boxing. And he fights. And he fights as well. That was the card right there.
Starting point is 01:11:08 For those that may not be so familiar with these characters or with the Misfits scene, give us the hard sell here. What's a fight to watch? What's a storyline to watch? You know, I will say this is the biggest Misfits card since the one that we did in Manchester. Obviously, that was what Logan Paul, Dylan Dennis, Tommy Fury, KSI.
Starting point is 01:11:26 I mean, this is not as big. That was like the bloody NFL Super Bowl card that was. But this is the biggest one since then. Anderson Gibbs on this card. Gibb versus Slim. I would say below Jake Paul and KSI, if we're still going to say they're in this misfit influencer scene,
Starting point is 01:11:43 below Jake Paul and KSI it's then Gibb that's how big a name Gibb is in this scene and Slim I think's come through quite well under the misfits banner so Slim's almost that guy that's emerged from misfits but I think Gibb versus Slim again minus Jake Paul versus KSI is the biggest fight that can be made in the influencer boxing scene. It's a big one. I love Slim. They call him the hitman.
Starting point is 01:12:09 As you can see, like physically, maybe not the most intimidating, but when he gets in that ring, boy, oh boy, can this kid fight. He's from Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. And he's very much every part of Brooklyn, New York. I love it. But then on the undercard, like the main event's crazy, then on the undercard, the main event's crazy, but on the undercard, you've got King Kenny versus Salt Pappy.
Starting point is 01:12:28 And Salt Pappy, again, has been another success story in Misfits. King Kenny's been fantastic for it as well. So you've got two. You've got two really good main and, as you Americans say, chief support. Wait, wait. You guys say chief support.
Starting point is 01:12:41 We say co-main event. Nah, you're crazy. I say co-main. Chief support is as UK as it gets. I stole that from you. We say co-main event. Nah, you're crazy. I say co-main. Chief support is as UK as it gets. I stole that from you guys. What do you guys say, co-main? We say co-main. You say chief support.
Starting point is 01:12:54 Or maybe I've just watched too many American fights. David Diamante always says the chief support. That's what he, I mean, and I know he's American. Diamante's American. No, I know, but he says it for you guys. We don't say chief support. That's not part of the lexicon. I say that here and people laugh at me, but I love it.
Starting point is 01:13:07 I prefer co-main. I prefer you. Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something? Go on. There was a moment where I wanted to call uncrowned chief support just because I love it so much. Wow.
Starting point is 01:13:16 Now, uncrowned is better. Probably for the best, right? Uncrowned is a lot better. Anyway, look, back to Misfits. It's a great fight card. I was tempted to present this one. I kind of put my hat in the ring.
Starting point is 01:13:27 I said, look, if someone falls ill or someone calls in sick, I'd happily go over for Mams and do this one because I actually like the main event and the chief support.
Starting point is 01:13:37 But no, I've decided just to kind of chill and rest and stay at home. But honestly, it's a fantastic Misfits card. Again, I think it's the best one
Starting point is 01:13:44 since the big one, the Prime card. And Gibb versus Slim is a fight. I think if Gibb wins, I think he fights KSI. That's how big this is. Wow. That is massive. That's a big one. Clip that up.
Starting point is 01:13:56 Clip that up. And I think that scene would love it. I would also say perhaps three quarters of 2024 for misfits didn't present a lot of big events coming off of that prime card right um at the very end october of 2023 when you couple this one and the january 18th card headlined by darren till versus tommy fury feels like they're on a bit of a roll here right it feels like good shout business is i almost feel like you know it is area i've almost felt like they put so much into the prime card like everyone yeah was on the prime card and you didn't have to put everyone on it so maybe they kind of put all their eggs into one basket and the prime card and then kind of have nothing left obviously ksi
Starting point is 01:14:38 was supposed to fight in the island card they did when he didn't fight it kind of fell a bit flat and a lot's been about KSI, but now I think with Gibb coming over, Slim's becoming a star, the winner of King Kenny versus Salt Pappy is definitely a star. So it's about finding more stars. And I think that's what man's got to do. But ultimately,
Starting point is 01:14:59 can we just get to the main thing here? Ultimately the scene needs to see Jake Paul versus KSI. Oh yeah. I mean, that's the one. That's what, that ksi oh yeah i mean that's the one that's what that's what that's that's the one you know today by the way did you see ksi did an interview today and he was asked what's bigger jake paul versus ksi or aj versus fury and he said jake paul versus ksi i mean it's hard for me to tell because you live in the UK And KSI is infinitely more popular There than he is here
Starting point is 01:15:26 I see it, I feel it Certainly with kids, AJ Fury is pretty big But you're also talking about an AJ coming off A knockout loss Let's see if Fury loses He'll have lost two in a row So by the time the stars align Perhaps
Starting point is 01:15:41 I maintain Jake Paul vs KSI Is box office and could sell out wembley or hotspur stadium um but i don't know i mean you would have a greater sense as to whether or not that is an accurate statement what do you think it's not as crazy as it may sound on i don't think it's crazy i had a look at the comment section and i thought people were going to call him mad but even a few boxing fans are like you know he might he's got a point he said worldwide jake paul versus ksi is bigger he said in the uk fury versus aj is bigger um if ksi was to fight jake paul in america what would be the level of interest um it i mean it wouldn't it wouldn't rival tyson it wouldn't no i even, honestly. How many numbers does it do on Netflix?
Starting point is 01:16:26 Prime made KSI a lot more visible here in the United States. Uh, prior to that, he was still somewhat of an unknown commodity. I can tell you my own children, 12 and 10. They know Sideman, they know KSI, but he's not, yeah, no, a hundred percent, but he's not quite at the level of, uh, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:43 some of these other guys like a Kai Sinat or a Drewski or something like that. For those kids, this is the world that we're talking about here. I think that fight has to be in the UK. You talk about fights that have to be in the UK, I think that it makes most sense. Will Jake want to go there? Who the hell knows?
Starting point is 01:17:00 And now you're taking me down a whole other rabbit hole that I don't think we were prepared to go. This is like you last week. As I'm saying goodbye, you start talking about Tank Davis. I just asked you a question. You should do 20 minutes on Tank Davis. I'm literally saying goodbye. But what about Tank Davis?
Starting point is 01:17:14 One second, one second. I just asked you a question, Ariel. I know. Sorry. I'm sorry. Did you say which one's bigger yet? Have you said which one's bigger? Which one?
Starting point is 01:17:26 I'm kind of stalling here. I'm thinking, I'm thinking. I think from a money-making standpoint. Worldwide or in the UK? Worldwide. Which one makes more money worldwide? Is it JKSI? I think it might be.
Starting point is 01:17:41 I think so. What do you think? Is this crazy? AJ Fury. Worldwide. Worldwide. I think so. What do you think? Is this crazy? AJ Fury. Worldwide. Worldwide. Jake KSI. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:50 Jake KSI touches the 10, 12, 13, 14-year-old kids. They're not watching AJ Fury. But they're not paying for it. Listen, we're not talking about that. We're not talking about the economics. We're just talking about what's the bigger fight. Just eyeballs. Yeah, Jake KSI.
Starting point is 01:18:09 Especially after Jake versus Tyson. Jake's stocks now is enormous it's enormous incredible uh people are still talking to me about it like when i'm picking up my kids at school and stuff like that they're still wanting to talk about it was it legit was it right all this crap okay look at you you're going on now you can close the show this is you now i'm not trying to close the show i i want to let you know that you can watch the card, the Qatar Supercard, this Thursday, only on DAZN, beginning at 6pm in the UK, 1pm over here in the United States. So while you're having the turkey, while you're having the stuffing, while you're having all that good stuff, you can watch it all this Thursday. So that's a Thursday mega card, and then a fantastic card On Saturday, November 30th One last thing
Starting point is 01:18:47 Before we go I did want to get your quick take on this Speaking of the crazy crossover scene If you will We did have the debut Of Dirty Boxing This past Saturday Mike Perry's new promotion
Starting point is 01:18:59 Dirty Boxing Championship CEO Platinum Mike Perry They held a closed event No media, no streaming, invitees only, a sort of black tie, you got to dress up type of event. In case you don't know, Ade, because not everyone knows all these rules. In fact, I just got it from the promotion. These are the nuts and bolts of the rules. You're saying like, what the hell is dirty boxing? It combines traditional boxing with additional hand striking techniques, 18 by 18 square ring. Fighters wear
Starting point is 01:19:30 five ounce MMA style gloves, three, three minute rounds with one minute rest each, five rounds for title fights. Ground and pound is allowed if strikes are effective. Referee intervenes if the grounded fighter neutralizes the attack. Standing fighters can attack a downed opponent with hand strikes while upright. So a little MMA, if you will. Legal techniques, closed fist and open hand strikes. Targeting the head and torso includes rich hand back fist, forearm, palm strikes, and elbow strikes.
Starting point is 01:20:00 Fouls, illegal actions include kicks, finger strikes to sensitive areas throws back of the head strikes being timid and how about this if a fight ends in a draw it can be extended to uh one more round or two extra rounds for a title fight uh you saw some of the footage joel romero the physical specimen that he is winning via knockout here it is in case you missed it i mean he jumps like he shot out of a cannon there uh your thoughts on dirty boxing do you like this form of fighting no no i dislike it very much jeez i just like it very much you know yeah i was like should i just interrupt him halfway through reading out these rules or just let him go but none of my you know my problem is i like
Starting point is 01:20:41 mike perry so much so i don't want to you know poop on it too much. But yeah, I just, I'm tired of these do bare knuckle and things like this we are now getting the fights we want to see boxing is in a good space so i don't understand what what space this is trying to please like who who wants to watch this who wants to watch like i'm a big fan of romero by the way but i also don't like you know i don't like this is the biggest thing and this is for bare knuckle as well what it is is people that have passed their best in whether it be yo and bellator or emma or ufc or any proper boxer they've passed their best and then they go on to this if you're past your best that means you've already taken far too much punishment and it's a dangerous sport already and then you want to continue in this i just just, no, I'm not a fan. Honestly, can we just get boxing back to its purest form and enjoy what we've been seeing recently?
Starting point is 01:21:52 Is it taking away from boxing or is it just trying to find some sort of hybrid of MMA and boxing? Why? But why do you need a hybrid? Why do we need a hybrid of MMA and boxing? I guess because some people who don't like MMA will say, oh, I don like the ground work i don't like the rolling around watch boxing yeah but i like that i like the striking i like the downed opponent stuff you know so there's the then go to your local bar and wait for people to roll out at midnight as they often do and what's that for free no i honestly you know what's interesting about these things it's it's uh the same with bare knuckle they tend to skew towards mma right it usually taps into mma
Starting point is 01:22:31 fighters i know the the odd polymalinagi or austin trout shows up but it feels like it's covered more by mma media and it features more mma fighters for whatever reason I don't know what that says about the MMA fan base or media, but it feels like boxing media, boxing fans don't pay attention to this or bare knuckle as much as we do. I also think it's a little bit of elitism on your part. No, no. Queensberry rules.
Starting point is 01:22:59 What I don't like is the older fighters, the older statesmen. So people that we've seen take a lot of damage in MMA, but then, okay, let's go in and take the gloves off and have more damage. I'm like, well,
Starting point is 01:23:10 I just saw you take so much damage for 10, 15 years in MMA. And now you want to have more damage. I'm like, no, enough's enough. Like how, sometimes I wonder how a lot of these fights even get licensed.
Starting point is 01:23:22 If they're, even if there are licenses, I don't know. Florida did a license. Oh, that's it then in it I'm Florida I'm just saying Florida licensed me versus Jake Paul that's Florida listen nonsense you asked I answered by the way I do want to let you know uh according to their team this is how they spun it to me the rules are actually quite close to the old London prize ring rules, which govern England's prize fighting in the 1800s. So potentially, accidentally or not,
Starting point is 01:23:51 they've created somewhat of a boxing throwback league. How do you feel about that? Yeah, and then, yeah, no, no, they're right. And those rules were so bad, new rules were created. They're like, okay, we can't do this. This doesn't make sense. This is too dangerous. Let's improve the sport. So they've gone back to when it was really bad and really dangerous. they're like okay we can't do this like this doesn't make sense this is too dangerous let's
Starting point is 01:24:05 improve the sport so they've gone back to when it was really bad and really dangerous so no no no even the little you know cat tip to the old rules isn't going to get my um thumbs up on this one i just again i don't like it but i do love mike perry and i know mike's probably watching and he's probably gonna get up coming for you and oh. You're pissing off a lot of people. A lot of people are mad. A lot of people are mad. And the bare knuckle one. Oh God.
Starting point is 01:24:30 Oh, bare knuckle has been great. I mean, it's one of the newest members of the DAZN family of promotions. And what a show they have on January 25th, live from the soon to be sold out Wells Fargo Center in beautiful Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. It's going to be Knucklemania 5.
Starting point is 01:24:49 You should come over. I think I'm going to be there as well. Eddie Alvarez versus Jeremy Stevens. The only fight that's been announced and they might sell it out. They might break the record. Let me tell you something. The record is about $17,000 for UFC 101 at that arena. It was then known as the Wachovia center now known as the
Starting point is 01:25:06 wells fargo center uh that is way more than the great boots ennis drew just a month or so ago jeremy stevens versus eddie alvarez yeah the title for the title no title okay didn't didn't didn't eddie alvarez lose to mike perry yes yeah yeah okay so i do watch a little bit yeah yeah uh mike's still uh unclear whether or not he's going to fight but you know what's the crazy part about it to tie it all together it was at the press conference to announce conor mcgregor versus eddie alvarez where conor said the famous who the f is that guy line to jeremy stevens conor mcgregor now obviously a major player in the world of bare-knuckle fighting, essentially promoting
Starting point is 01:25:47 an Eddie Alvarez versus Jeremy Stevens fight some eight years later, nine years later. You see what I did there? That's just going to be violent. You kind of went there and there, but you'll bring it back.
Starting point is 01:25:56 It was quite good. That's going to be violent, like very violent. Eddie Alvarez versus Jeremy Stevens with no gloves. Don't know. I'm too squeamish. Sometimes I'm watching boxing and I'm like, stop the fight.
Starting point is 01:26:09 Stop the fight. It's enough. So I'm a bit too squeamish. So yeah, that's not for me. But you know what? DAZN's got so much. So whenever you want to, whenever everyone floats your boat, we'll be on the DAZN app.
Starting point is 01:26:20 So if you like a bit of bare knuckle, we've got you covered. If you like a bit of wrestling, we've got you covered. Boxing, we've got you covered. M knuckle, we've got you covered. If you like a bit of wrestling, we've got you covered. Boxing, we've got you covered. Misfits, we've got you covered. We have you covered. That's how I was reacting. Instead of just saying stop the violence, I was saying stop the glaze when you were talking to George Kambosis. But nevertheless, what a show.
Starting point is 01:26:40 I feel like we're hitting our stride here. It was a lot. We covered quite a lot. We covered a lot. We covered a lot. We covered a lot. It was compact. It was tight. The crew back there, they were worried.
Starting point is 01:26:48 They were worried that we wouldn't hit it all, but we hit it all, my friend. Thursday, Qatar Supercard, Misfits. Good luck to everyone on the card. And then Saturday, the big one in Brum, in Birmingham, Edwards, Yafai. I'll be watching you. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 01:27:03 So is this like the Oscars when the music starts? You have to stop talking? This is Frank saying, you ain't gots to go home, but you gots to get the hell out of here. Okay, okay. Bye, everyone. Much love, Ade. Thank you so much.
Starting point is 01:27:15 Thanks to everyone watching at home. Appreciate you all very, very much. Back next Tuesday. Same time and place. Until then, we say peace. Enjoy the class. Thank you. you

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