The Ariel Helwani Show - Ariel x Ade, episode 33: Massive weekend preview: Katie Taylor vs. Amanda Serrano 3, Shakur Stevenson vs. William Zepeda, Edgar Berlanga vs. Hamzah Sheeraz

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Ariel Helwani and Ade Oladipo are reunited in the New York studio ahead of a massive weekend in the world of boxing.They begin the show by previewing the highly-anticipated trilogy fight between Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano (02:22), before diving into the rest of the all-women card (22:57). Next, they discuss the stacked Ring card headlined by Edgar Berlanga vs. Hamzah Sheeraz and Shakur Stevenson vs. William Zepeda (31:09), before Ade voices his opinion on Jake Paul’s controversial WBA Cruiserweight ranking (39:15).Then, special correspondent Petesy Caroll calls in live from the Taylor-Serrano open workout to set the scene (48:17).After touching on the recently announced Ring event headlined by David Benavidez vs. Anthony Yarde (57:34), Ariel and Ade recap Jack Catterall’s win over Harlem Eubank (1:01:14) and deliver the Parting Shots (1:11:14).

Hello and welcome to a brand new edition of Adele Nade right here on the undisputed global home of boxing. DAZN, the undisputed global home of boxing and football. All month long we're in the midst of the club world cup semi-final day. One today, day two tomorrow and because of that my friends we had the opportunity of Luring one idea Ola Depot the other half of this program to our very studio. He's here Let's be honest to host day two of the semi-finals I mean, there's a little I was a little madder known as PSG versus Real Madrid and I had to like finagle

I had to I had to essentially bribe the powers that be like hey I Know he's here for the football, but can he come visit us in studio? It was me that said it was me. I was down to do semi-final one. I was like you know I'm doing semi-final two Yeah, I said I'm doing semi-final two because I mean with all due respect to Fluminense and Chelsea PSG Real is not bad. They asked for the big dog Heavyweight class. Let me see what I can do if I can squeeze it all in. It's great to have you in studio. And it's great for you to be here on my birthday because the difference between me and you

Ade is that I do believe you take the week off when it's your birthday. When it's my birthday I say no, I'm actually grateful. I'm actually proud. I'm actually lucky enough to work why are you wearing a crown oh they gave it to me the boys gave it to me because this is the uncrowned studio so I'm sort of the what what what without a nine 40 if you must know it's 43 damn you get on it yeah it's why we getting so it's crazy man it's hard to actually like sort of put my thoughts together wrap my head around

it all it It is crazy. 43. It's my Brad Doherty year. You familiar with him? No. Former center of the Cleveland Cavaliers. Okay. Richard Petty?

No. Any great footballer who's number 43? Not really a football number. No, we don't really go that high. Don't do that. No, there's the guy from Georgia, number 77. Yeah, but I mean, you're gonna have a one or two, but normally it's like one to 11 and extras.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, anyway. Happy birthday, dude. Thank you. I feel bad that I've come with no gifts. No, listen. I only found out on the way here. Everyone brought me gifts actually today.

I'll take you out for dinner after. Yeah, I actually gave you a gift. You did. I'm so proud of this one as well. This is coming home with me. Honestly, it's gonna come home with me. Well, it's great to have you here. It's such an exciting time. New York is not only the epicenter of football, it's going to come home with me. Well, it's great to have you here. It's such an exciting time.

New York is not only the epicenter of football, it's really the epicenter of boxing this weekend. Well, this particular weekend is a huge one. This thing is lighting up like crazy. I am so excited to say that today's program is brought to you by our good friends over at Netflix. Look at that logo right over there. Taylor Serrano live this Friday night at 8 p.m. Eastern exclusively on Netflix around the world. 300 plus million subscribers. Can we guess what number you think it will get? Are you allowed to do this? Are we gonna get in trouble for cents?

I just want to give a shout out to our sponsor before you interrupt. Okay. Shout out to our sponsor Netflix, Taylor Serrano 3. By the way, Ali Frazier, Bo Holyfield, Duran Leonard, Gotti Ward. On and on. Accio Barrera. So that's four, is it allowed? I mean, they did go to three, but it's a quadrilogy, I believe.

In any event, now you could enter Taylor Serrano into that mix. 100%. But anyway, as far as that number is concerned. But it could be the best. 70 million people watched the second stanza, the Coleman event, they stole the show, now they are the show, I don't know.

I don't know, you know, I was thinking, what is a good number? What represents a good number? Because obviously that was, they stole it, but it was still the Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson show. Yeah. I don't know what's a good number for them. 10, 20?

That's a good number. I mean, more than one. The first one was one, which was a huge deal. You were at the first one. I was. It was one of the loudest crowds that I've ever, I've been to many MSG memorable nights, Knicks games, playoff games.

Never heard anything like that because it was 50-50. I always say this. I always rank like my best three atmospheres. And it would always be in the top three. Or wait, second, second. The first one was Josh Warrenton versus Marissa O'Lara at Headley, which, what you got called off. But this is the second best atmosphere

I've ever experienced. And I expect it to be something similar on Friday. Oh man, I can't wait. I can't wait. I'm so excited about this. It's such a big deal. Wish I was there. Wish I was there.

Maybe you will be. Wish I was there, Nikisa. Wish I was there. You could be. You're watching Nikisa. Wish I was there. There's just a few more. Which show was that? Maybe you will be. Which show was that, Nekisa? Which show was that? Yeah. You could be. You watching Nekisa? Which show was that? There's just a few more days, three days away. I'd love to be there, Nekisa.

It would be great. Yeah, clip this off. Send it to him. Send it to Nekisa, yeah. They announced it. Okay, so let's just set the weekend. Because like I said, epicenter of combat sports and in particular, boxing.

Friday night, 8 p.m. at a square garden in the Mecca. Eight fight card, historic all-women's card. So the first time they fought at MSG, they made history, two females headlining a boxing card never been done before. Now it's an entire card filled with females. And what's great about it is, it's not just like a gimmick card.

This is not the first ever all women's card. There have been others, most notably over in the UK, Clarissa Shields, Savannah Marshall, right? That was a big one. This is the best. This is the best by far. In fact, Guinness World Records today stating that never before in the history of boxing have there been more titles on the line in one single card than the one happening on Friday. Okay, yeah, cool. 17. And it's got so many names.

And if you add the ring card, the ring belts, 21 titles contested over five fights, eight fight card, five fights have 21 titles on the line, three undisputed title fights. And then the other ones are unified title fights. It's such a shame. And look at me being negative, but it is such a shame that Clarissa Shields is not on this one. This is what you're focusing on. No, no, no, no, because you know what it is. You know why? You know why because you know what it is.

Taylor Serrano, Alicia Baumgartner. You know why? Savannah Marshall, Chantel Cameron. Exactly, this is my point. Yeah. Ellie Scottney. Yeah, Ellie Scottney. You can go on and on and on.

So you have the quotes, right? Yeah. This is it. But then the self-proclaimed quote isn't on it. And she should be on it. Like this should really be, and there must have been negotiations, but it should be Savannah Marshall

versus Clarissa Shields on this card. And then it is is by far not just the greatest women's card of all time I mean, there's not the best greatest card of all time. So it's a shame that it's not happening, but look I'm super excited I I honestly can't wait to see these girls do get up again and I'm talking the main event obviously I think they are if Katie wins. Yeah She is undoubtedly the greatest female fighter of all time. Not even close. Yeah, I'm happy you're saying this.

Because I know Demetrius Leigh is like, eh, eh, eh. But it's true. I actually think it's not a question right now. Oh, okay. I think it's not a question right now. I know she has one less Olympic gold, and I know she has the one loss, but in terms of the level of competition,

that has to factor. That's true. Who she has fought compared to who Clarissa, and by the way, that's not a knock on Clarissa she can only fight who's presented her. No one in her weight class unfortunately. She is unfortunately I always compare it to Demetrious Johnson in MMA Demetrious unfortunately cannot be considered the greatest just because the guys that he was fighting at flyweight at the time weren't the creme de la creme weren't the level of John Jones or GSP it's

the same thing with Clarissa versus Katie. By the way there is a conversation to be had. The narrative will change dramatically if Amanda wins as well, because Amanda all of a sudden, she can change. This is almost a referendum on the first two fights, because if Amanda wins, especially if she wins in dominant, decisive fashion,

she will then say, you see, I deserve to win. She will do it. She will do it. It's up to us to not accept that narrative. The narrative is the first two fights were incredibly close. I think it should be one a piece. Who did you, okay, so who did you think won the first? Katie.

Second? Amanda. Agreed. Yeah, and I think, and I'd hate for Amanda. I'm fans of both. I'm friends of both. You're gonna tell us the story that you were in Dallas. No, no, no, no.

You went for breakfast. I was gonna say that. I was gonna say that. I would hate for Amanda when it's all said and done, not to, it free nil doesn't tell the true story of this trilogy of Katie wins. Because if we look back on the record books and all we see is free nil, it won't really tell us the story of it. I'd hate for Amanda not to have one. Do you know?

I'd hate for it to happen. If she wins. Who? Amanda, do you think we go down the path of Marquez and Pacquiao? Does that mean we're getting a fourth? They both say no. They both told me yesterday definitively this is it. We're done.

We're tired of each other. Katie though is so stubborn. Doesn't come across as it, right? I've been around Katie. She's so stubborn. If she loses, I'm telling you now, she's getting back in there. And that's why she's very,

and that's why she's the greatest female fighter of all time. Every time she's in a tough fight with someone, other people like, you know what, I got a win, I'm out of there. She's like, okay, let's run it back. Oh, Delphine Pursue was close. What, what, I lost, run it back. Chantelle Cameron beat me.

You know what, high weight class, doesn't matter. Let's do it again. She's that kind of person. Everyone doubts her in a win. She's like, class, doesn't matter, let's do it again. She's that kind of person. Everyone doubts her. In a win, she's like, oh, you doubted me? Okay, no stress, let's fight again. And she'll fight again. Honestly, it's incredible.

Do you think if she wins, she retires? I hope so, but no. There's only two fights left for Katie Taylor, in my opinion. This one and the Cameron trilogy. That's it. And by the way, a lot easier to make that fight now because of the great relationship that she seems to have with MVP

and Cameron's now with MVP. She's no longer with Queensberry, right? So I don't think that fight needs to happen. If she wins, what better way to walk away at MSG on Netflix? I thought the best way to walk away was when she beat Amanda the first time. The first time, geez.

In 2022. Look how much has happened. She didn't even fight in Ireland at that point. Yeah, I thought that was the best time. The first time, geez. In 2022. Look how much has happened. She didn't even fight in Ireland at that point. Yeah, I thought that was the best time. I thought, oh my God, you're not going out. Nothing tops this. And I don't think anything's topped it since,

although she's moved up in weight and become undisputed. And you're right about- I mean, she did fight on Netflix. I know about that. 70,000 people. Madison Square Garden was just, it was just perfect. I honestly think she'll carry on. I think she'll fight Lauren Price. No.

I honestly think Kate. No, there's only two left. I think Kate will have a none. Give up. If you say to someone, I think she'll fight Lauren Price. Really? I think she'll go up another weight class

and say, let's have a knock. Oh my God, really? I think at this stage, she's just a fighter. I would be shocked. I would be shocked. We want to see her retire, but like male fighters, they just continue and continue and continue.

Can I tell you, to me, a sign, and this has not been confirmed in any way, shape, or form, but a sign that we are approaching the end is the reunion with her father. For those that don't know, her father obviously got her into boxing, was by her side when she won Olympic gold in 2012, was by her side throughout the entire run as an amateur

until 2016 right before the Olympics they parted ways there was a family issue and Katie decided to go her way and did not medal heartbreaking for her and then she decides to go with Ross who's been her her trainer throughout her entire career but only very recently they've started over the last couple of years. You've seen them kind of cordial, but recently, and it was actually, um, chronicled very well on the countdown show, which is available now on Netflix. He re-emerges and they start training together. Now I asked her yesterday, is he going to be in your corner?

She did not give me the answer. She said, maybe if he's in the corner. But that feels like a thing like, hey, I wanna end with him there. It started with him, I wanna end with him. Yeah, I didn't know that, okay. You could have told me that before I went into my whole spill about the rest. Well, listen, no, but, by the way, if she loses,

she might say, hey, you know, I wanna go out on a high note. I want him to be in my corner for a win, whatever the case is. What was interesting though was Amanda then kind of used that. So I, without spoiling too much, I did this face to face with the two of them. It was actually in this like makeshift subway in Brooklyn. It was very, very cool and it was very hot. And the dynamic between them has evolved quite a bit. The first time they fought in April of 2022, that was actually one of the first things that I ever did in boxing for Dizone. They brought me in to do the face to face.

And it was in an empty hotel room in Midtown Manhattan. And yes, they were headlining, but the buzz wasn't quite there, April of 2022. I went back and looked at that, like, there was no glitz. It was just in a black room. To see how far they've come and how far the rivalry has come and to how far the relationship has come is very interesting because I didn't have to do a lot of talking spicy.

No, in the first face to face, I had to do all the talking. I sat back for like six, seven minutes because they were going back and forth. And there are a couple of things that come up. Number one, Katie likes to say right off the jump, you don't get to dictate the terms of this fight. The rounds, the length of the rounds, I'm up two oh, you don't get to dictate. And by the way, you know what I love about her?

She keeps saying, I'm allowed to have an opinion. I'm allowed to have a voice. Why can't I say how I feel? And it's almost like she's convincing herself that it's okay to be a little bit more outspoken because she usually isn't. She doesn't say anything normally, Katie. This is a different side of her.

I love that. Amanda pushes back though, saying we shook on it. You promised me we'd go three minute rounds. I don't want to see this three minute round thing is um, I understand why Amanda wants it because in their fights at 159, Amanda looks like she's going to knock out Katie. Then all of a sudden the bell saves Katie. It's happened a couple of times. But the two minutes are so action packed. So action. We don't need free so action packed. So action packed.

We don't need free. If anything, 12 twos. If anything for these two, maybe two more rounds. That's it. The 10 twos have been pretty damn amazing. I was talking to one of her team members yesterday and I was like, do you know the weight limit is 136? It's for the 140 pound titles, but it's 136.

And they're basically like, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Same weight, same length, let's just run it back. It's been magic. Yeah, both of them are gonna weigh that. Amanda will probably come in lighter than 136. I actually heard she might be bigger. She's trying to go for size over speed. Yes, yes.

I mean, maybe, look, you have to do some sort of tweaking, right? She? She did technically lose those two fights. of a speed. Yes, yes. I mean, maybe, look, you have to do some sort of tweaking, right? Is she? She did technically lose those two fights. Yeah. You have to do something. I think she thinks, maybe, maybe, a little bit bigger. I could, I'm this close to stopping her in both fights. Fifth round almost stopped her.

10th round almost stopped her in the first fight. First round, remember the first round. Katie was on skates. I don't know how Katie does it. Yes. Katie's powers of recovery need to be studied. Katie was on skates. I don't know how Katie does it. Yes. Katie's powers of recovery need to be studied. Like she's always out. I saw it twice against Chantel as well.

And all of a sudden she's there. She's so experienced about holding and dark hearts if you like. I know some people have said, you know, the elbows and the headbutts, but she's got everything. But this time round, I don't know, man. I don't know, Katie's 39. Yeah. She's, I mean, we've been saying this for. I don't know, Katie's 39. Yeah.

She's, I mean, we say she's the goat. I know, but when does it catch up with you? Remember all this stuff. She doesn't sit, her knees. Yes, yes. She still survives. She still does it. But when does it catch up with you?

When did the two Delphin Pursume fights come up with you? The Chantel Cameron fights, Tasha Jonas, Linda D'Artu, two Amanda Serrano. Like surely there has to be a time. Not to mention the extensive amateur career, two Olympic games. All this stuff. Sparring men.

Yes. I mean, you know, she was the tourist who had an amateur career. Sparring guys, that's what she did. And guys weren't, you know, taking it easy. They were hitting her back as well. So I don't know, man. I hope she wins, cause I'm a big Katie fan, but.

She's rooting for Katie, despite the shoes in Dallas. Am I allowed to say this in New York? I don't know. For the Puerto Ricans, I don't know. Can I get out of New York? By the way, there's a lot of Irish here as well. A lot of Irish as well, yeah. So you're rooting for Katie.

You think it would be a nice story. Even though you just said moments ago that Amanda has to get the third. You know what it is, I just feel sorry for Amanda that she hasn't got one. Because you know that we say this goat conversation that is between Amanda and Clarissa. I mean, if Amanda had one, Amanda's name would be chucked into this goat conversation as well. What Amanda's done, eight-weight world champion, she'll be chucked into it. But she doesn't have

that at one of a Katie and she deserves one. So look, whatever. Whatever happens, I'm happy with whoever wins. That's what I'm saying. So I'm on the fence here. So the other thing that Katie loves to say that I think grinds Amanda's gears is, she needs this more than I do. I don't need this fight. My legacy is set. I'm two and O against her. She needs this to right the wrong.

And that annoys her as well. That annoys her because then she comes back and saying, no, you need this too because the world doesn't think you won the second fight. I actually think they both need it. The world does not think Katie won the second fight. She needs to prove that she is the better fight. I actually think they both need it. I think the world does not think Katie won the second fight. She needs to prove that she is the better fighter. Why does she need to prove when she won the first one? Because she won the first one. There are some people actually who still

believe that she didn't win the first. You know this, right? They put that narrative out. MVP didn't believe her team didn't believe like there were people after the first. I'm Katie. I know Katie. Or five five. I know Katie is based in America after the first. I'm Katie. I know Katie. Or Five Five. I know Katie is based in America right now. But if I'm Katie, I'm like one second. So I came onto an MVP promotion in your backyard and somehow the judges backed you. Yeah, it is.

Come on. It makes no sense. Like sure. I won fair and square. It was a tough fight. I believe that. But it was close. It was six four.

I was incredibly close. There are some people who think five, five, or Amanda edged it. And then I think the vast majority of people think that Amanda won the second, but there are some people like, they chronicled this in the countdown, like Roy Jones, Teddy Atlas, all said that Katie won upon second viewing. Which one?

The second. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay, fair. So they chronicled some people. I just think this idea, first of all, there's no bigger fight for Katie. Which one? The second. Oh wow. Yeah. Okay, fair. So they chronicled some people. I just think this idea, first of all, there's no bigger fight for Katie. And by the way, sorry, on that, I think the broadcast was very, very pro Amanda.

Yeah. Beyond pro Amanda. No, no, it's true. So I think people were almost convinced because of how the broadcast were as well. So I think that- There'll be different people involved. Are you on the broadcast? I am on the broadcast, but I was not in the booth.

So hopefully I was not part of the outrage. I don't think you were, no. I was trying to keep it. I mean, there's no room for me to opine, but Rosie Perez is not involved. And I think a lot of people were mad at her. I love Rosie, but she was very, very- Maura and Al are not involved.

It's a different cast of characters this time. It's actually a star studded one. Sinisha has Strada's on it. No Adi Aladipo. No Adi Aladipo No Adi La Dipo. That's okay. I think the budget wasn't big enough. If I'm being honest.

Layla Lee. You didn't have to fly me in. Andre Ward. It didn't have to fly me in. No, that is a good point. The other one that Katie likes to say, which I think, I don't know. I don't know if it annoys Amanda,

but it's another good talking point. She says, if the shoe was on the other foot, if I was down 2-0 to her, she wouldn't give me the opportunity that I'm giving her. I disagree. I think they both make great money with each other. And that's the one thing Katie's not bringing in because Katie doesn't talk money.

This is not Katie's side of things. But I think there's no bigger fight for Amanda than Katie financially. And I think you could say the same for Katie. I know Katie did fantastic numbers against Chantelle Cameron and made some good money. First couple of big fights back in Ireland, but they both make millions with each other. They're both great dance partners for each other. We're going to be talking about this trilogy in decades to come. In decades to come. It's the greatest women's rivalry of all time, obviously the greatest trilogy, and now it's

in that conversation with the greatest trilogies of all time. Exactly. Right? Yeah, without a doubt. And unique because more often than not, if not always, there's no one up 2-0 going into the third, but there's no one here thinking like, oh, it's 2-0, like, why is this happening? Right? Like they were for Wild or Fury.

Yeah. Well, that was a draw, but yes. Yeah, you're right. It was a draw, the first one, but everyone thought Fury was up well that was a draw but no one asked for the third even though the third was really good but this is one where we're like we need to see it again please and it could continue as you say it could be so close because it is only 10 two minute round they're only I say only but they're only fighting for 20 minutes yeah you know men's championship fights is 36 so 20 minutes is a short short time to get a winner But you can combine their first two fights and that's kind of what you get for men's championship fights

So I wouldn't be surprised if they get another knock but if Katie wins if I'm Katie I sail off into the sunset and don't look back about fighting Amanda again Amanda's waiting to knock you out. Sure Amanda wins this by knocking Katie out. Katie wins at some points She has to win Vianaka because the last two times it went to the judges, she didn't get the nod. What I'm curious about though is the eye. Looks okay, you are close.

Oh no, no, no, you could tell. Oh, it's bad, bad issue. By the way, this was eight months ago. It's not that long ago. There's a gentleman named Nate Diaz in MMA. I mean, he always gets a cut there. When you say there's a gentleman, are you referring to me?

You talking to our audience? No, it's more to the audience. Okay, that would be very disrespectful. But you, he always gets a cut there. When you say there's a gentleman, are you referring to me? You talking to the audience? No, it's more to the audience. I know it's a very disrespectful... Yes, but you do this to me all the time. No, no, no, no, no, no. There's some guy named Josh Padley who took a fight on short notice against... The point is, it's a little bit thicker. Now, I don't think for a second that Katie is going to target it.

Of course you will. But just... What do you mean? Of course you will. With the head. So what do you think? Where do you fall in this discussion? What the headbutt thing? Jordan Maldonado, Amanda herself, MVP, they have suggested that she. That she goes for it with the head? Yeah. No, no, she leads. Sometimes she fronts, she fights over her front foot. Yeah. And her head sort of gets in the way.

Could she not fight? Is that dirty? It's a fight. It's a fight. And when Katie knows she's in a fight, she fights. She's got that Irish blood in her. You know, as much as she is very softly spoken, like she is a complete opposite to who she is outside the ring when she's in the ring.

Yeah, it's amazing. Honestly, she's no flash, she's no gimmicks. As soon as she gets in that ring, a switch just turns. I've never seen anything like it. She prays before she gets into the ring. It's almost as though every evil element of her gets in the ring and stays in the ring. Well said.

So she will do what she needs to do to win. That's just how it has been. And that's how, kind of how it should be. About the headbutts. Sure. It is amazing. She is such a fascinating character. She's one of my favorite people to watch as far as sports are concerned, because she wants nothing to do with the limelight. It's almost it's almost comical that she's the one on Netflix now twice.

You know what I mean? She chose to live in Connecticut to just be away. She walks down the street in Dublin. She can't walk a meter. Right. Is the most famous Irish sports star ever. She lives in Connecticut, she goes to the supermarket, there's actually a great scene with her and her mom buying groceries. Not a soul goes up to her, not a soul talks to her. No one knows who she is and she wants it that way.

It's the most unlikeliest star. Like this is someone who doesn't want to be a star, that is a star. And you compare it someone who doesn't want to be a star, that is a star. And you compare it to people that are desperate to be stars and they somehow can't get fans to grab it. She's the complete opposite. She's almost like, leave me alone. It's incredible, yet people will tune in to see her fight

because they know she delivers. Like one thing these two will always give you is a great fight. But you don't even need to promote it because you just know this is what they do. This is what they've been doing with each other. This is what they've been doing against other opponents. I think they're incredible.

And it's funny because we're talking about, I'd love to see where people would have Katie and Amanda and Clarissa on a male and female pound for pound list. Like a genuine, because what Katie's done in terms of, and what Amanda's done. Amanda's done as well, seven weight classes.

What Clarissa's done. You know, I mean, I'd love to see where people have them. Cause Katie's been beating some incredible, incredibly talented females. So Katie Amanda three, Taylor Serrano, by the way, it kind of just like flows like Gotti Ward flows. You know what I mean? Taylor Serrano. Taylor Serrano flows. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's crazy Maybe just because we've said it so many times Alicia Baumgartner finally returning big stage against Jennifer Miranda Yeah, I think we push for it. Really push for it. Yeah Ellie Scotney recently signed for pride of UK. I believe a Crystal Palace. Yeah supporter

Yep, she is going up against Yamileth Mercado Yep. She is going up against Yamileth Mercado. Well done. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. How much you take you to pronounce her? No, she fought Amanda Serrano on the first Jake Paul Tyron Woodley card back in August of 2021. Undefeated since obviously lost that fight. Shadayja Green versus Savannah Marshall is kind of flying into the radar, but a big fight for Savannah. She hasn't fought in about two years in boxing, had the MMA fight, but I think an opportunity, because there's some big fights for her if she can get on a roll here.

It's the one, I mean, we know the one we all want. And yeah, she has been forgotten about a bit. That thing that they both did, going to the PFL, and it was a waste of time. What I am curious about though, and by the way, the reason I was going through that, I was gonna ask you like, what's your sort of sleeper fight, but just as an aside, we saw what going to boxing did to Connor stance

Never quite the same. He changed interesting I wonder what this will do to Savannah because actually was listening to her speak to Steve Buntz Shout out to the legend buncy. Yeah, and she was talking about how it like completely Changed her fighting style having to do jujitsu having to do wrestling. She had to change everything Remember if you're an orthodox fighter wrestling, your right foot is forward. If you're an orthodox boxer, your left foot is forward. So you just have to change, and I know she just fought once,

but she did put several months in. I do wonder, she talked about it, how she had to kind of reprogram her brain, and her head trainer, Peter Fury, said that at the beginning like they had to kind of like go back to the basics. Now I do think everything equals she's a better fighter than Shadeja Green, she should beat Shadeja Green, she has a greater resume but I'm curious to see how she looks after two

years. I don't know if it'll be as bad as we think. I can only compare it with Clarissa who again did the MMA thing as well, did a bit of wrestling, did a bit of jiu-jitsu. And I know she didn't spend as long at it as Savannah has, and she's had more fights than Savannah, but Clarissa still looks great when she came back. There was no switch off. She still looked really sharp.

But I don't think she fought anyone as good as Shadaysh. Good shout, that's a good shout. But yes, yes, it is a point. Angela, Shadaysh is a problem. I mean, Shadaysh comes and she fights. And I think this is good for Savannah that she's not fighting someone that's gonna run and move, which could affect then your balance

and how you place your feet. She's fighting someone that's gonna stay in the pocket and fight her. Cause Shadeisha's as big, or at least as strong as Savannah. So I think that could benefit Savannah. And that is the sleeper fight. That's the one where-

Is that your sleeper fight? Yeah, because you genuinely have. I mean, the other fights, I know you mentioned some titles and champions, but there is a favorite, an obvious favorite. The other ones, if I were to pick it, Elise is going to win. I think Chantel is going to win. Ellie Scott is going to win. Um, but I think this one was Savannah only having one boxing match in two years. This is a close fight and the winner really, I know is Clarissa Shields, isn't it?

The winner should fight Clarissa So I think there's a lot on the line for this one as well So I think this is my sleeper fight and this is the one where I think we are gonna get some action I think both girls are gonna go for the knockout that this isn't a boxing match. This is a fight Yeah Clarissa and Shadeja have been going back and forth My fellow Canadian the Olympian Tam Tebow on the undercard as well. I'm very excited about that I actually think the sleeper all-action fight on the card is gonna be Shernika Johnson against Shredda Metcalf Because those two are like brawlers Shredda Metcalf has a great story

She's to fight like in the in like the underground Dallas fight scene I love it like like a true proper fighter and Johnson has been known to get into scraps Remember that she loves the infamous cut above above her eye which she was in here earlier the scar is still very apparent that's now for undisputed because Dina Thorslund had two of the belts she got pregnant and so now it's for undisputed bantamoid so that's the third incredible isn't it and Shanika is a strange one well it's not strange she doesn't look like she likes a scrap yeah you know i mean she's very glamorous very beautiful she will go in there and have a fight.

Yeah, I think that will be a good one. I've seen her fight in the UK a few times as well. So again, we had her on, didn't we? We did. We pushed and said, why are you not, you know. With MVP. With MVP. All of a sudden, she gets signed by MVP.

Do we get any thanks, any plaudits for it? No? Who wins? Taylor or Serrano, ultimately? Not who you want to win. Serrano. I think so. Wow. Katie can't retire on a win. Serrano. I think so.

Wow. Katie can't retire on a loss. Serrano does it. That's why I don't think she retires. Okay, so you think, so ultimately you think what happens is Serrano wins, Katie doesn't retire. Do you think she pushes for the fourth at this point?

There's no rematch clause, by the way. Or do you think she goes to Cam, the other thing is go to Cameron, you say, okay, I'm two one, go to Cameron, back in Ireland, maybe Croke, I don't know, we're probably... You've got to get Amanda to Ireland. Oh, she'll never do it. She'll never do it.

She won't do it? No, I would be shocked. Okay, well then you go Chantelle. Although, Chantelle's too big for Katie. She honestly, like seeing them two up close, Chantelle's just a bit too big. I know some might say, well, Amanda's too big for Katie, She honestly like seeing them two up close. Chantel is just a bit too big. I know some might say, well Amanda's too big for Katie. I get it. But I think at this stage, 39 all the wear and tear going to a Chantel Cameron who is so bitter and angry about not

getting the third fight that she felt that she deserved, which really should happen. It being one a piece. I would love Amanda. Sorry. I'd have both to retire. If I'm honest with you. Yeah. I'd love Katie to say enough. He fights for Amanda's right now. How old's Amanda? I know Katie's 39. Oh, late 30s, yeah. Enough. You both made great money. You're both going to go down in the history books as two of the greatest to ever do it. There's so many fights for Amanda still though. Like Amanda versus Baumgartner would be incredible. I've been saying that. That's the one. I mean, two hitters. Yeah. I've been saying that's the one incredible. I mean, two hitters. Yeah.

I don't know. And by the way, MVP continuing to add women to their stable. Today announcing that they've signed Ebony bridges. What? Yeah. They signed a resource like I need to see an announcement. Oh yeah. Five months after she gave birth and her and, and, and Srinika have had a bit of a turf war as well. See an Australian dust up. I am so surprised by this. Yeah. Oh, wow. OK, they continue to add.

Yeah, I think what they've done is very smart, as we said. Look, the other behemoth right now in boxing, Rieczys and Ring, they're doing their thing, but not having as many women fights for whatever reason. You can't do everything. Hey, let's focus on this. Now, I asked the keys to this question yesterday. He said, no, this was the plan dating back to 2021. What, to take all the females?

That's what they said. We signed Amanda first and then we kept growing it. And yes, they did. But to go all in like this, especially in a time here in America where women's sports on fire, WNBA on fire, Caitlin Clark, the women's national team in soccer on fire. So I think it's a very, very smart thing.

Women's MMA has enjoyed great times, maybe not so much as much, you soccer, on fire. So I think it's a very, very smart thing. Women's MMA has enjoyed great times, maybe not so much as much, you know, these days. I think it's brilliant what they're doing. They need Fundora. Oh my God. They need Fundora. Whether or not she is blown out, if you like, to put on the show, maybe a Skye Nicholson as well.

Yeah, because there's, you know, not everyone on this card is an MVP fighter. Yeah, exactly. Right. So it makes sense. But no, I think Jake and the keys are doing fantastic things. You're just saying that they do have any spare tickets for Friday. I'd be very, very, very well, if you are not in attendance on Friday, I do want to remind you that you can watch Amanda Serrano versus Katie Taylor three, or should I say Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano three? However, I am hearing that Amanda's walking second,

even though she's not the champ. So maybe it is Amanda's round of respect. The point is, it all goes down this Friday, live on Netflix, July 11th, 8 p.m. Eastern. Prelims, by the way, on the MVP and Netflix YouTube channel. And oh, by the way, for the first time ever, the weigh-ins are gonna air live on Netflix. Not on the YouTube. Can I go back to the fact that-

On the Netflix platform, there it is, the person right there. I love it. Can I go back to the fact that I'm in New York? Can you imagine me watching this from my hotel room on Netflix? Do you have a proper login? Do you have the right type of? I do.

Yeah. By the way, no pay-per-view required. If you've got a subscription, even the basic package. Yeah, yeah, incredible. No VPN needed. Nothing, nothing. It's a big deal. It's a massive deal.

It's a big freaking deal. So thank you so much for our good friends at Netflix very excited And by the way, the open workouts are happening right now at the oculus downtown beautiful. Phi Dai, New York City They have a couple of cards at the workouts, which is a cool thing Shout out to I have to give a shout out to the rehab season guys They were kind of the first ones to do this put some fights Yeah on the the open workout scene our very, our very own Pizzi Carroll is actually there. He sent us this picture as they're filling it up. Look at that scene.

Look at the, uh, so they gave me some stick earlier. I called them blow up dolls and they said that that was inappropriate. I I'm just saying one second. What time is this airing out in the UK? What you're saying blow up dolls. Okay. We're going to call that blow up. Just statues. That shoes would be nice. Okay. Love dolls, but they're representing something else. Okay. I don't know. sand blow up dolls 1030 okay we call that blow up just statues that shoes

would be nice okay but they're representing something else okay I don't know yeah I have a very incredible look at that oh there's the action right there crystal risotto so PC will join us in about 15 minutes time to give us a report on the scene over there but let's transition to the other action okay you will be here we go you'll be at July 12th the next day 24 hours What a 24-hour stretch? Yeah, maybe like the greatest in New York City boxing history and there have been some great nights this time at Louis Armstrong Stadium I'm like to see the flushing Meadows

Queens we've talked about this before how this I think is going to be much better than the Times Square idea because it's a proper Stadium and B. I've been to a wrestling event there and because the seats go so there's not a lot of kind of glad to yes there's a lot of space because just a tennis court what an amazing idea I can't believe that be great I had a tennis sorry boxing event at Wimbledon we've talked about yeah well but I think they're a little too hoity-toity maybe we did see AJ there with Eddie her and a couple days ago with the devil's best. Anyway this, yeah, look smart. Nice. Anyway, this is ring three.

It's headlined technically by Edgar Berlanga versus Hamza Shiraz. I think the bigger, more important fight is Shakur Stevenson versus Williams of Peta. I think the stakes are greater. Yeah, yeah. WBC lightweight title fight. Yeah, no, you are right. You are right. If we're doing it that, title fights should sort of supersede.

I'm surprised actually. Shakur is a local guy. I know Edgar is a local guy as well, but Shakur is the bigger name, no? Of the four? Shakur is the bigger name of the four, but the combined names of Zapada and Shakur, I think, are smaller than Belanga and Shiraz. You think so? Yeah, I do.

I mean, this is six and one, half dozen the other, but I was surprised when I heard about this. Yeah. I think they kind of build it as two mains. Haven't they kind of sold it as that? Sure, but the last fight is Berlanger versus Shiraz. Which one are you more looking forward to? Berlanger Shiraz. Why? Because I have no idea what's going to happen. I'm completely, I've gone back and forth. I've tried to remove my London bias and the fact that I'm good friends with Hamza. Hamza is like, when you think about it, it's coming off a draw, which really was a defeat. It would be, it would be an honest, he's moving up in weight. He's moved camp, he's moved trainer and he's fighting a puncher. There's a lot going against him. There's a lot of pressure

on Hamza, but there's also so much pressure on Edgar. Um, the last time he fought that guy, that was so out of shape. We looked like literally just found him off the streets. Remember that guy, the way in? And before that was Canelo, which was a defeat. I know he boxed well for a couple of rounds, but he got beat by Canelo. So I don't know where Edgar is either. So I think both of them have so much pressure on them.

Can I tell you what I love about this card? I think all four have a tremendous amount of pressure. Okay, cool. Who has more pressure than Shakur? Every one. Every day, every time I go on Twitter these days or X, it's another post from Turkey himself, like almost needling him. Yeah, yeah. We're gonna make the ring smaller. Don't run. No Tom and Jerry fights. I'm sorry, here's a photo of us. I don't know. I don't know what... He says, hey, he's thinking about me. I don't know. I don't know what, he says, hey, he's thinking about me.

I don't care. This is his way of promoting me. And he's right. People are talking about your course Stevenson, but let's be honest. The Padley fight, it was great, but everyone expected him to win. The last two fights under the top rank umbrella

weren't great. This is the final fight on his matchroom deal. The consensus seems to be that he's moving on. He's trying to get the tank fight. You can't get the tank fight if you're winning sort of ho hum. Now I think the criticism that he gets is unfair. Okay. The whole point is hit and not get hit. It is prize fighting.

It is sports entertainment. You have to get people to want to watch you to fight and pay to watch you to fight. So like you have to mix some of it, but Floyd Mayweather made a whole career out of hitting and not getting hit, right? Floyd Mayweather didn't knock out a lot of people. He wasn't in brawls. Yeah, I guess at Shakur's weight he did. When he was a light weight he was completely different,

right? I mean, when he switched from pretty boy to money, you're correct. It was almost a case of survive. And he was like that because his hands were so brittle Floyd, which is quite similar to Shakur. He has bad hands. Like I genuinely believe- When I shook his hand earlier. Same. He doesn't want to like fully grip it.

And it's because they're so brittle. I don't know about brittle, but maybe he's just protecting the money makers. He's worried. And I'm telling you now, if he didn't have hand problems, I think he'd be sleeping a lot of these guys. I think he'd really sit down on these shots and really crack. I saw it against Padley a little bit where he's like, okay

I've just got because there was so much pressure about knocking out Padley. It's almost like he took the risk of hurting his hands Okay, I've just got to get rid of this guy I'm gonna start landing punches and I think he's gonna do the same thing Sabeda I I am a bit nervous for Shakur Because I think a lot of people now sleeping on Zapata because theata's last two performances against Tevin Farmer. Zapata's good. Yeah. Zapata's really good. Well those performances I think haven't aged well because Farmer got smoked by Schofield. Yeah. It doesn't work that way. No, boxing, exactly. It isn't like that. This math doesn't work but I think people were like, wait a second, Schofield extinguished him in like

a minute and 22 seconds or something crazy and now they're like, wait a second, and he went toe to toe with this guy twice. I think a lot of people thought maybe he won the first fight. Yeah, yeah. You were there, right? I was there with that in Riyadh. Yeah, it was the Latino night card. Yeah, it was and I thought Tevin Farmer maybe did enough to win.

Okay. I thought Zapata won the second fight, but you're right. I mean, it basically showed that Zapata struggled against a Tevin Farmer that maybe he isn't as sort of, oh, he's back as before he was. But as you say, apples and oranges. I just think Shakur needs to make a statement that he's under so much pressure to make a statement. I feel like him and Devin Haney are under so much pressure, the runners, when they're really good boxers. But I think Shakur

will make a statement like he did against Oscar Valdez. Okay. I think he's going to look that good. I think he has the most to gain. He's the biggest name of the four. I think you would agree. Yeah. He's the biggest name of the four. He's the best fighter of the four. He's the only one who's top 10 pound for pound.

But I do think he has the most heat on him right now. He's a target right now. He can't, this can't even be a 116, 112 job. Do you know what I mean? That's crazy. They will boo him. That is crazy. It's not fair.

He's fighting an unbeaten Zapata. Unbeaten. Like Zapata. 33 and 0. And he can't just win on points. He's somehow gotta stop him. If he skunks him. If it's ten, if it's twelve rounds to none.

Oh. And it's boring. People will. I don't even want to imagine. That's a lot of pressure on him. But he's got such a good team around him, not just his management. But I mean, he's on the phone to Floyd. He's on the phone to Andre Ward.

He's on the phone to Terrence. So he's got good people around him who've experienced this as well. Yeah. I mean, Andre Ward experiences for his career. So did Floyd, as you mentioned, towards the tail end. And to a certain point, so is Terrence as well. So he's got great people around him that have been there and done it. Do you think he sticks around with Matrim?

Or do you think it's an awkward fit? I don't know, I feel like, and again, I know people, Eddie worked with Matrim. But I feel like Eddie does such a good job of self-promoting these fighters. I think he's the best in the business. He will make you believe Chakur is the greatest fighter ever. And he will make sure he kind of

All these team go all the way out to kind of put everything behind their fighters So I'm always surprised when someone signs of Eddie Eddie delivers then they go Baffles me like Edgar Malanga is a good example. Yeah, Edgar got the Canelo fighter. Yeah, I'm gone Yeah, why would you leave kind of baffles me? but look, we don't understand what goes on behind the scenes in terms of money splits, but maybe fighters just believe they can do it themselves now. Maybe they get to a stage where they're like,

I can kind of self promote me, I don't need you. Only thing I wonder is, does he think that he could get the tank fight easier without Eddie? For whatever reason, I don't know. But the tank one is up in the air as well, because first of all, they haven't officially announced August 16th, the rematch, which is a little bit weird. It's July 8th.

That's a little strange. That means this ain't happening. A B the Jake Paul tank thing is a real thing. Again, not saying this is what we want to see or endorsing it, but it is a real thing that was going to happen if tank beat Lamont back in Brooklyn a few months ago. And so, okay. I'd be so upset if that were to happen before Shakur before anyone now. You're not getting tickets Hear me out. No, but I'll be so upset considering

What's in front of Javante like I could name ten fires? Yeah that Javante should be fighting If he were to kind of a skip that and go to the Jake I'll be soft so 14th ranked fighter in the WBA Yeah, how do you feel about this by the way? That's a joke, isn't it? Is it really a joke though? Why is it a joke because he's not the 14th best cruiserweight? There are people out there the cruiserweight there are cruiserwe that have, and I understand the money aspect and Jake Paul's, by the way, I think Jake Paul's incredible in what he's done. I'm not just saying that because I want to take it. I think he's incredible in what he's done. But there are people out there that have fought for national titles in any country who should be ranked.

It's funny because I think most people on the planet can't name more than four Cruiseroy. They shouldn't have to. But that's the point. I think you see people getting so riled up and it's like, okay, at least like present who you think should be there. No, isn't that a thing? Like you can name Jaya Pataya, you can name Zerto,

Badu Jack. But there's even people like, in the UK, there's people like Alois Junior, who I don't think is ranked in the top 15. Now this is just the WBA. And let's be honest, some of these rankings have been wacky for a long time. Was this fight against Chavez,

was it sanctioned by the WBA? I don't believe it was. No. So if it wasn't sanctioned by the WBA, why would the WBA put them in the rankings? But how about the wackiness of the fact that now they say that they're going to like review it? What's changed in the last week?

You got some blowback? That just shows how fickle all of this is. Yeah. Yeah, I was actually debating with someone. Is this as bad as Manny Pacquiao being ranked number five by the WBC? Now Manny Pacquiao not having won a fight for five years. Right.

You know what I mean? Not being ranked. I don't know, so what was the answer? Is it as bad? No, we both agreed, me and this person talking that this tells you why we need a world governing body. Oh, 100%. They just make up things as they go along.

But how many times has it been, it's like, oh, this guy's the number one contender, and it's like, what? What did he do? Where's he come from? Yeah. Yeah. Or, you know, some other person. I don't know, ultimately, I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, there are 15 other Cruiserweights on the planet better than them. No, but they certainly are. You know, the easiest thing to do-

Because I can't name them. No, but nor can I and I'm a boxer I know you know, no can I but the easiest thing for Jake to do if you want to get ranked without no problems Whatsoever is fight the number 15 ranked best cruise where in the US? Just fight that guy sure despite that guy and it's over and done. I'm not a painting from by the way That's it. No one would ever complain right? No one ever complained. I'm about a jake could maybe be that guy and it's over and done. I'm not campaigning for him. By the way, that's it. No one would ever complain. Right. No one would ever complain. By the way, Jake could maybe beat that guy.

I don't know who that guy is. But that guy right now is out there. And if you want to be ranked, fight that guy. What did you think of the win over Chavez? It was actually okay. It was fine. It was all right. I mean, Chavez decided to turn up.

He went the distance. He went 10 rounds. Yeah, and then he got deported, didn't he? Yeah, that was crazy. Which is crazy. Which is crazy, by the way. The story isn't that crazy, but I will not be sure. Crazy. But it's almost like Shevez decided to start off like.

He got deported. Sorry. They were like, take this guy away. You lost Jake Paul. The craziest thing ever. I saw the story and I was like, is this real? The footage of him being detained is wild. And now they don't know where he is.

I couldn't believe it. Honestly, but yeah, Jake's a professional fighter. Jake has a professional team around him. He's been doing this, what, five, six years? Yeah. Jake's good. 2020. I completely forgot about Jake when it comes to YouTube boxing.

No. I don't even think- By the way, those cards aren't YouTube boxing cards. No. There's not a single NFL guy versus NBA guy or YouTube guy. Like that card actually, the MVP card slash Golden Boy card in Anaheim was the best one they've ever put on. Yeah, great.

In terms of like the action. Yeah. This young man, Julian Rodriguez beat Avius Griffin in a thriller in the 10th round he knocked him out. Zerdo on there against Junior Doriticus. I mean, Zerdo is legit. But did you see the size difference? And that's what scared me a bit.

When we talk about Jake as a cruiserweight and obviously that is Jake's build. But when he did a face off of Zyrdo, I was like, my God, and Zyrdo is not the biggest cruiserweight. I was like, wow, there's a bit of a size difference. The only thing, listen, you wanna argue or be upset about the 14, totally okay with that. You wanna argue about the 14, totally okay with that. You wanna argue about the opponents,

totally okay with that. You wanna argue about him picking MMA guy. All this I think is very, very, very fair game. The only thing that gets me, that grinds my gears if you will, is when people say like, oh, he's hurt boxing. He isn't like, look at the card this Friday. I can't take that.

Look at the opportunities, look at the card this Friday I can't take look at the opportunities look at the paydays yeah look at the platforms that really like none of this has anything to do with them do you know how many things hurt boxing before we get to Jake yeah like Jake must be number 990 like if that if that I mean corrupt judges awful scorecards drugs in boxing like do you know many issues boxing has? When people say, oh, Jake's hurting boxing, I'm like, are you crazy? Go and speak to Amanda Serrano right now

about how we changed her life. And all these fighters now signed to MVP and the promotion push they're getting, the events, people getting paid. Absolute nonsense, I might have enough. Every single women's boxer on the planet right now is looking at this card and being like, I mean, Shrinkah told me before she was added to it, she had massive FOMO.

She's like, look at this. Look what's happening to women's boxing and I can't be a part of it. This doesn't happen without him. And so again, you can hate him or, but like in terms of what they've done, to me, it's only been a positive and people will say that I'm glazing or I'm being no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. You are being a certified hater.

You are being, you are just being delusional if you say otherwise. Yeah, no, I think what he's done for boxing's been insane. It surprises me just how good it's been. I'd never expected a proper, sorry, promotional company. Yeah. There's like MVB promotions. I was like, this isn't gonna last.

All of a sudden, it's one of the biggest promotional companies. We used to include them with misfits. They are two totally different entities at this point. Not even in the same stratosphere. No, not at all. No, not at all. I mean, I guess some people just wanna see Jake fight someone, like quote unquote, real.

Yeah. I think that's what it is. And I think we're screaming for it because I think there are some people out there that believe he could actually do it. I mean, obviously we had Oscar, didn't we? We spoke to Oscar a few weeks ago. And I said, do screaming for it because I think there are some people out there that believe he could actually do it I mean, obviously we had oscar didn't we spoke to oscar a few weeks ago And I said, do you think he can actually fight for a while time oscar for the first time was like Maybe the one to make in my opinion if this is what you truly want do the badu jack fight. He's a little bit older right do

Zerto and jire I think are a bridge too far away. Yes Forever yes zerto even maybe. Jai? Jai. Zerto will actually, not carry him, but Zerto won't try to take his head off. Jai will try to end him in a round. You remember the build up to Taylor Serrano 1? I did the face to face with Eddie and Jake and Eddie was bringing up Jai. He's like, okay, you're mid-level, like fight.

I got a guy named Jai Upataya, you should fight him. And this was 2022. So that's before Jai became this monster.level, like, fight. I got a guy named Jaya Pataya, you should fight him. And this was 2022. So that's before Jaya became this monster. He's one of the scariest, stay away. Badu Jack's a great shot. I think Badu would beat him. You think so? Yeah, yeah.

I think he would promote it as well. I think it would be a good- Yeah, Badu Jack will, yeah, that's the one. That's a world title fight. Yeah, WBC. He's saying just give it to him. Give him the world title shot. Fight it, like, let's go.

Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree. Do you know what? Just give it to him. him the world title shot. I fight it like let's go. Yeah, I agree I agree. Do you know what just give it to him? Just go let's see I'm not I agree. I'm more interested in that than the Chavez fight or honestly I'm more interested in that than the tank fight. Mm-hmm, right? I think that'll be so interesting Let's go. Yeah No, I agree if you if you want to defend being ranked if you want to defend and we could play the game all day Long like oh is Nate Diaz better than- Do you think Jake would fight Badu? I don't know. I don't know if they think he's big enough. No, I've never asked him. Oh, oh. Oh, so I wasn't talking about it from that standpoint. I was talking about like

the fear of fighting Badu. Not a case of whether Badu, cause Jake has fought some people that we don't know. Yeah, yeah. No, I know. I mean that, you know, where Jake's carried the promotion. No one on Badu's level. Those are sort of like bridge fights to get to the tyson fight. Anyway, we can talk about this all day long. We're talking about the promotion. We talked about the open workouts, which are actually happening right now, a few miles from us, just a couple miles in the financial district at the oculus. And we have a correspondent and Aronade

corresponded our good friend, P.T PT Carroll, who flew in from Dublin to cover this great event. Oh my God, incredible. Look at him, PT. You know yourself. Ringside at the Open Workouts set the scene for us, PT. I know it's a little bit hard to hear us, so we're going to lay out and let you do your thing.

What's going on over there at the Open Workouts? You must think, I have arms on me, like, adding all the details. I mean, how does this thing of weight here, the 12 meters, real 40 minutes? Sorry. I'm already in this. But we have, we have a lot of weight here. You must think I have arms on me like Adiola Debo. I've been holding this thing up right here at the throat for me for about four minutes. Sorry. I'm already a bit.

But we have the ring obviously just here. We just saw Rosado put on a great show. We have Jake Paul's boxing bullies all over the place out here. They're all freaking out every time he gets anywhere near us. If you can look around here, do you see the terraces behind me? Amazing. There's people all over the place. Everywhere you look, there's people looking down at this event. There's people trying to get in from every angle. It's a very, very big deal. A lot of people stopping here to see what's going on. The first fight is done. Getting ready for the first off-workout of the day. Very exciting, never seen anything like it before.

And yes, Ariel, I suppose you could call them blow up dolls. That was my question. I agree with you, P.C. I think they are blow up dolls. I don't know if we can, can we say this? I don't know, I don't know. I was getting a lot of stick for this. I'm not quite sure.

What do you make of these midweek boxing events? We've seen them with Riyadh season. Obviously this is the first time MVP have done it. What do you make of it? I like it man. There's a real buzz about the place. I think Haiti and Toronto obviously had fantastic two fights already. But this kind of event starting so far out, the fighting we've seen is massive. I've never seen anything like this. You can correct me if I'm wrong are they? But I've never seen boxing fights happening at an open workout. It adds a completely different energy to the whole game.

I don't know if you can see through the ropes there, but Jay Paul and the East are sitting just over here. But- Hey, go up to them. Hey, go up to them. That should be the challenge. Yeah, go up to them. Can you go up to them?

Let's go up to them. Oh! But you're Beatsy Carroll. Do they know who he is? Come on, PC. Come on, you can climb over. Get in there. Just rush it. The boys, the boys, that boy, I'm smaller than we have a goal. But it's not happening. So then like this is the ground we have here for the first fight of the day is insane. Can you imagine what it's going to be like when Katie and Geranel get out here for the Open Workout. And now there's another fight in

about an hour's time as well. Yeah, very exciting. A lot of the Irish media are arriving today. So that's going to add a lot of colour to it as well. But yes, really, really cool event. Very exciting. I'm looking forward to seeing how things unfold throughout the week. Adé, I need to ask about your tickets for the Club World Cup. What's going on, man? I'll ask you what we're going to do. If any of you guys can sort me out with a ticket I ain't talking about your tickets for the club world cup, what's going on man? I'll tell you what we're gonna do, if any of you guys can sort me out with a ticket for this, I mean I can sort you out with a ticket for the club world cup, is that the deal?

I think that's a great deal. I like it, I like it. You know, I told you we're good mates, I thought you were just gonna go in, I thought you'd have the tickets ready for Ariel there, get a quick message, look, you're there, the VIP section, you're gonna be there. I back-parasite your man before the tournament side, the truth be told. So very excited for the game tomorrow. Thank you for that, Pizzi.

That was great insight. Great insight. Great insight on the football. Pizzi, I was telling Ade before and I've said it before, you were the one to introduce me to Katie Taylor. You were the one to introduce us to Conor McGregor, to anyone that comes out of Ireland. You've been covering her for a very long time. You know about her journey. You know about her story. We were debating, could this be the last one with a win, with a loss? Based on what you know of Katie, now with the reunion of her dad, what sense are

you getting as we approach the fight in three days? Could this in fact be the last time we see Katie Taylor fight? I definitely think it's possible. I think the fact that her father is back, it kind of feels like one last hurrah to me. I could be completely wrong. If I know one thing about Katie Taylor, it's the things I think are off more tonight in the world that people talking about her retiring. And she's still on top of her game as far as she's concerned. She's still one of the best bucks in the world as far as she's concerned she's still one of the best boxers in the world as far as she's concerned so I think she gets a bit confused when the conversation keeps coming back to retirement but at her age I think it's natural I think she's been boxing her whole life at the highest level possible she

has given everything to this sport and Olympic boxing women's Olympic boxing would not be a sport if it wasn't for Katie Taylor. She has put this sport on a completely different stratosphere than it's ever been before. So I understand to some degree, but there is a sense of how much more do you need to prove. You're doing absolutely everything. All of the Irish people are watching these points and we can see the punishment that she's taken. And it's going at this point, it's like, well, what do you need to prove? You're the greatest of all time. You're a beacon of sporting brilliance and likes of this country Ireland has never seen. There is nobody in Ireland, she is the

most unanimously adored person in Irish sports. Honestly, God, I don't know one person with a bad word to say about it. I know people coming out from Ireland to watch this play. I know people coming from all over America, immigrants who live here to see this. So look, I don't know what else there is to do that. When you think about like, the only thing I worry is if she loses, I think she'll make it one a point more. You saw what happened with the Chantelle Cameron fight. You remember how pissed off she was? I can remember she went backstage, Eddie Hearn was walking by Brett Throw and he said, oh, she is pissed. There's no way she's retiring. She's gonna be raised back in there.

And I fear if Toronto eventually gets the nod, and a lot of Irish people feel like, are they just gonna keep doing this play until she gets the nod? But if she doesn't win this way, does that mean Katie's gonna come back and are going to do her best supply of situation? I don't know, man.

Man, great insight from Pizzi, who really has been covering Katie Katie and I can't imagine How surreal it must be for you to be there with the the statues whatever you want to call them in New York City About to see her fight on Netflix at Madison Square Garden all women's card like she I mean for the person who got women into the Olympic Games in 2012 to now be the torchbearer for this All-Women's Card, the greatest one of all time at a place like MSG. Must be pretty damn cool.

And honestly, I know you're a very proud person, a proud Irishman, must be a pretty proud moment for you to be here covering it. So I'm so happy that you are here doing this. Yeah, no, it's brilliant. And look, I was never a boxing guy. But the opportunity to cover Katie's career came along when I was rushing for an Irish publication at the very start of her pro career.

She was already a hero in Ireland. She was already a national treasure. And to be able to jump in on this pro journey and the world place that's taken us has been absolutely amazing. Our team have always been fantastic. Katie's always been so kind to me and generous with our clients Oh, yeah, it's an absolute pleasure And I can't wait to see what happens in Madison Square Garden because of course time around

It was one of the greatest place anyone's ever witnessed and I think the former region and Irish communities are gonna Home out and show the world what it means to me. So don't show the world how proud they are They're heritage is on Friday. No pizza. You're a legend Show the world what it means to them. And show the world how proud they are of their heritage on Friday night. P.T., you're a legend. Oh, what a dude. Enjoy your time out there. Thank you very much.

Great, great reporting. Our special correspondent, the great P.T. Carroll, the host of the critically acclaimed podcast, The Crack, which will have a special preview episode this Friday and a post show this Saturday night on the Ariel Hauwani Show podcast feed. Thank you so much, P.T. Enjoy and tell Tam Thibault, my fellow Canadian, that I say hello and wish her the best on Friday as well. She was asking for your mind. No she wasn't. I'm sure she was. Thank you, P.T. Great stuff. There he is, the one and only

P.T. Carroll, the host of The Crack. What a legend he is. By the way, what a legend you are. I was on social media earlier. I couldn't help but see an incredible pose. In fact, at first I thought it was like a, I hate to say it, it shocked me. It was like, was it like a, do we have it, do we have it? What is this, what is this?

From 3 a.m. buses to the Premier League, at Aola Depot is proof that greatness grows in quiet places. History made. What is this? What is going on here? I don't know. I mean, what is getting in the room? They reached out to me and they were like, that your story is incredible and like you inspire people. What are the 3 AM buses? No, so it's funny actually. Well, it's not a.m. buses? No, so it's funny actually, it's not a funny story. I got the Sky Sports job at the time. I applied for it, got it, but Sky Sports studio, Osterley, is about an hour and a half away from where I used to live in Stratford and the trains didn't work that early to get a train there. I didn't have a car, so I had to get four buses to get to there. So I had to get like the

night bus at three o'clock and then another bus, another bus. So I then got to the studios at seven in the morning as everyone else was driving in. And they're thinking, oh, I must have a car. And I'm like, no, I just got off the bus. So that's what it was. I had to do that.

How long did you do that for? But three, four months. Dang, and then what? And then someone saw me on Sky and then I got the Talksport gig. Look at you. Someone saw me and then someone saw me and then look at me now, Talksport gig. Someone saw me and then someone saw me and then look at me now, I'm with you. Look at me now with you.

Hosting the Club World Cup. Yeah, that's quite crazy. What a journey. Yeah, that's surreal. That's surreal, that is surreal. Hosting the Club World Cup is just incredible. And you're gonna be at the venue tomorrow. I'm at the venue tomorrow for the semi-finals

and then the final on Sunday. You'll be there too for that. Who else is going to present? Well, I don't know because you said there's a whole bunch of people. I mean, there is a whole bunch, but there's no idea of a deeper. You're the man.

I mean, there's no idea of a deeper. I mean, come on. And perhaps you will be in attendance on November 22nd at the Ring 4 card, which was announced yesterday. What a card this is, by the way. Golly. I mean, these cards. Brian Norman against Devin Haney.

Do we have it? I thought it was coming up, so that's why I kind of... Yeah, I yeah I thought so as well there it is David Benavides against Anthony Yard I mean surely not the fight that we were hoping for as far as Benavides is concerned I think it's a very good plan B plan B yeah it's an incredible plan B obviously we wanted Callum Smith I think Abdullah Mason is that Sam Noakes? yeah that was Sam Noakes that's incredible and then can we can we put it back up? Yeah, put it back. I need to marinate on this just a little bit more. Yeah, look at that. I mean, Devin Haney, Brian Norman is that's the one Devin, by the way, goes to the smoke. Say what you want

about Devin. Brian Garcia couldn't happen. Okay, give me Tio Fimo Lopez. Tio backed out. Now he gets Brian Norman after Brian Norman has the KO of the century. Yes. You got to know which one I don't like. Tell me, tell me. Jesse Barry Rodriguez. Yeah. Martinez. Why? Not because I don't like Jesse Barry Rodriguez, I love him.

I think we even did our little most exciting fight as he was my number one. He's got a fight July 19th. Can we just not announce this July 20th? Soon as he gets past these fights. At the very least, just announce the first three. Yes. Right?

Yeah. And then add this one. Yeah, because this is just- Why do we keep making this mistake? I don't know. I mean this a banana He does he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who's gonna be like, oh, I'm gonna play this safe Who Jesse meaning okay July 19th? I'll play this safe Unification fight but it's like one of those things where it's like why do we keep announcing fights? Because if anything, I just feel like it's a little bit disrespectful to the the opponent Yes, the opponent an extra 10% that what? One second. So they think I'm gonna just get run over like that, that they're gonna announce a fight already and it's quite a quick turnaround if you're Jesse as well.

I mean fighting in July then fighting in November. I mean you're going from camp to camp, which makes it mean you can't get an injury, you can't get caught, you can't, nothing can happen. So yeah, I'm with you. Just wait till July 20th then announce it or say as turkey normally does we've got loads more coming Yeah, these are the free but you what we got and then you announce it. I think it's a bit risky Can I say I wasn't really expecting all this. I remember the day that Tk o boxing now zufa boxing was announced. I think we all kind of thought like these cards would go away We've got another one. Well well we've got one this Saturday, that wasn't announced yet.

We've got one in August, Dillian White Moses Otama, which is solid in its own right. And then this one, I kind of thought that they were all kind of gonna go away. I thought they were all geared to go to TKO, if I'm honest with you. Or, and have less other promoters involved. This card has top rank, right? It has PBC

It's typical like hey, we're gonna work with everyone type of stuff So I'm not really sure what to expect anymore like we're hearing more about this stuff than the Zuffa boxing stuff We still only have to the best my knowledge one fight announced for the Zuffa boxing card Yeah on September 13th, which is the big one of course that everyone cares about but no one else Yeah, you're right. It is strange now you think about it, because a lot of these guys that fight on August 16th or in November could have been on that card,

September card, you're right. So it is strange. If you're a promoter, if you're a fighter, you're happy. This is great. I mean, if you're Eddie and Frank and top ranked golden boy, you're like, okay, well, we're still in the Turkey business. We can still get our fighters on big cards, but it does surprise me, but I'm happy

because I think it should be all shared around. I hate for it to think it would be all in one entity, so I'm happy that it's now been shared. Everyone gets sort of a chance. As we say in the business, let's round third here, put last weekend to bed. You know what that means, round third? Yeah, let's just, well, I would say the back nine in golf.

Yeah, but nine is still half. Okay, okay. So round third is a... Why would you think I didn't know what round third and you even showed me, you're even doing your hand. You know, baseball. Yes. You know, baseball. I don't know baseball, but I know the sport, you know, the terminology. Yes. Jack, Catterall, Harlem, you bank the cut. Okay. We can move away from that. Okay. You have no interest. No, we can go round two. We could just like avoid it. It was a weird one. Yeah. The whole fight was weird. Everything about it was. Are we going to see it again? No interest. I don't know.

It ended somewhat. Even the great Sam Jones. Yeah. It doesn't want to bring that one. There were a couple of take downs in that one. It was a weird one. It was awful. Who do you blame? Both. Yeah. It's both. I mean, we always hear Star Wars make fights, but we knew the style of both. So that's a poor excuse after because we know how Jack fights, we know how Harlem fights. And it just wasn't great. I mean, what you could see though, in all that was only what six rounds of action, I could see that Jack was maybe a level above. But if you're Harlem, you're like, well, our thing was to get to the second half of the

fight. Maybe that's what he might say, right? But um, no, it just it just wasn't great It wasn't great. And look jack's been critiqued a few times for not having a great style Yeah, I would maybe disagree. I thought his fight against pro gray was good. I thought his fight against josh taylor was good um But I don't know jack's 33 now. They're gonna need to make a big decision as to what next. I almost feel like- Gnarly.

I almost feel like you go Josh Taylor again. Maybe you just go Josh Taylor. Really? Yeah, they seem to have an animosity where they produce a good fight. Sure. They've had 24 rounds of good boxing, those two, so maybe you do that again.

As for Harlem, I don't know. Where was Chris Senior? When this fight was announced, I was there when it was announced, it was actually announced at the Johnny Fischer fight. Johnny Fischer versus Dave Allen. I remember them getting in the ring. And I think Jack Katcher actually said the U-Bank name's hot right now. So and Sam was hoping that, you know, all of a sudden if you sign Harlem U-Bank, you almost get a two for one because Chris U-Bank senior will turn up, right? He manages and looks after a Harlem Eubank

And obviously no Chris no Chris jr. No Chris senior and that kind of hurt the promotion a little bit I don't know. I don't know where Chris is by the way saw a great Picture and some videos today of Dave Allen and Johnny Fisher Training together so that you see this I did I just warm my heart. I did it was nice I liked it It was nice to see. I liked it. It was nice to see, because that takes a lot from Johnny Fischer to say, okay, I'm going to go and train with someone

who's beaten me. Like, it's okay to learn from people. And I think it's a good thing that he's doing that. He spoke quite well. He's on Sky Sports the other day, sort of speaking, saying that I don't- Johnny? Yeah, I don't need to box.

Wow. I think he said, I've got a degree in, I think it was history or something. Like, he could easily go that way, but he says, he feels like he has something to give to the game whether it be an English title or British title. He has something. He's not saying he's gonna be the next best thing but he wants to do something and achieve something in the sport and I think he can. I think something's there.

I just think Dave Allen just looked really good. They're two very likeable guys though so it was nice to see them together and put aside any sort of animosity. There wasn't really a ton of animosity throughout the two fights. But yeah, when you knock someone out, you can understand people might think there's animosity there when you just put someone to

sleep like the way Dave did to Johnny. But again, I think Johnny showed a lot of humility saying, OK, I'm going to learn from you. Even if it's only if I got there for a couple of weeks and just spar and just chill with you. maybe it helps. Clearly Johnny is helping Dave prepare for the Deontay Wilder showdown.

That's the one, right? God, no. You know, I'm gonna be kind to Wilder here now because I don't wanna see Wilder fight anymore. That's it? Yeah, I don't wanna see it. Actually, you gotta win. You know why, you know why, I don't want to see it. Actually, he's going to win. You know why?

You know why? It is that because- Not even AJ? No, no. I've seen the best version of Deontay Wilder, and I hate when fighters stay around too long. Like Deontay Wilder, actually physically doesn't look 40. He looks like someone that's in his late 20s,

physically looks 40. The fact is though, he's now approaching 40 years of age. So even if he was, even if he didn't have the damage he clearly has for those Fury fights, he's 40. 40 is too old to be fighting. It's just far too old. I don't know what the one is. I think there are a couple fights left for him.

But why? No, I mean, why money? Why, that's it. Did it make enough in the Fury fights? Did it make enough in Zhang and M. Parker fights? Who knows how much he saved I don't know. I just find it a shame when Fighters hang on that's why I applaud fighters that walk away when they clearly is money on the table

Andre Ward just decided enough's enough when it clearly was money to fight Canelo or Golovkin on the table Carl Frosch similar But they walked away when they were still at the very very top of their game But they walked away when they were still at the very, very top of their game. Deontay Wild is not that anymore. The fact that you just said Dave Allen, Deontay Wild. No, I know. No, but some people now are like legit serious. The one I'd like to see is AJ versus Deontay. I think it makes a lot of sense.

Why does it make sense? Given where they are in their careers and it was, you know, it was talked about for so many years and Tyson is coming back apparently and saying he's going to fight Usyk. So he's not going to fight AJ even though I think they'll still try to make it for a Netflix card if I'm being honest. That's just the last one. There's nothing else. Yeah and it's an easy sell. I've always said that you're not selling it to me. You're selling it to the casual fans and they'll put up a promo of these two punches, these two monsters going at each other and people will buy into it.

And because we waited so long a bit bit like calm broke, we waited a decade. So because we waited that long, you're just going to want to see it anyway. You would watch it. I'd watch two guys falling out of a pub. No, I know. But those two guys. Yeah. But those two guys, I would watch it. I hate the fact that it should have happened five years ago. Never did. When they were both champions and very much both right at the top of their game. I still think AJ's got a couple of good years left but no from Wilder. Did you, you watched it? You've seen it. No, no. I mean look, he just needed a win and I know it wasn't the greatest

performance of all time. Far from it. It wasn't Vintage Wilder. But I don't think he's going away. I think, I think he wanted to check this one off. You think he should go away? Sorry, I'm gonna put you in this one. No, no, no. I mean, it's truly hard for me to say. Based on how the last couple went before this one, yeah, you can make a strong case. But I've always tried to be very sensitive

to this type of statement. Who the hell am I to say? Now, can I say I don't want to see him fight anymore? Sure, I'm not quite there with Deontay just yet. There are other people who have made me more uncomfortable. I agree with that. With Walda? Obviously I don't want to see him fight like an Usyk

or someone like that. No, and he's not been devastatingly knocked out. I mean the one against Zhang, do you know what I mean? When you know when someone's out cold, he's not been that, he's always got up and he's been a- He didn't look good in that fight. Which one, the Zhang one? The Zhang fight, yeah.

Oh no, he looked really bad. Yeah, it just didn't look like he- Yeah, and that's my worry. Is that because Zhang's a top heavyweight? Yeah. And Wilder isn't. And Tyrell Herndon isn't that. I'd never heard of him prior to that.

I'll tell you, Joyce makes me more uncomfortable than Wilder. Yeah, Joyce makes me very uncomfortable. Yeah,. Yeah, yeah, Joyce makes me very uncomfortable. Yeah, very, yeah. I think he should retire. No, that's what I'm saying. So there are other people who make me a little bit more uncomfortable. Weird conversation to have because, like, once we're getting to the point where, who

makes you more uncomfortable? You know, it's probably time for everyone to walk away, if we're being honest, but yeah, that's the game and he's not the only one who has forced us to have this conversation. No, and the worst thing for him, that's the game and he's not the only one who has forced us to have this conversation. No, and the worst thing for him, he's manager. Shelly Finkel is going to be getting so many messages about potential fights. Sure, sure. Chizora, Boccoli, Nganu, AJ, he'll get about tons of emails and messages after that fight saying,

okay, yeah, cool, let's do this. Let's do this. Well, coming up this Friday, live and exclusively on Netflix once again We appreciate them supporting this program because we're gonna be supporting that fight and watching it 8 p.m. Eastern again live and Free on Netflix if you have a subscription no extra pay-per-view It's just gonna be there no matter where you are in the world Ireland, Puerto Rico Denmark Brazil Japan South Korea, Canada, USA, Nigeria, Cameroon, South Africa, it doesn't matter. You'll be able to watch Katie Taylor versus Amanda Serrano live

on Netflix 8 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Pacific, 1 a.m. in Ireland, and you figure out the rest. What a card. Eight fights, top to bottom,, and you figure out the rest. What a card, eight fights, top to bottom, one of the best of all time. 17 titles on the line. Is there still tickets available, maybe a couple handful to buy? I have no idea.

This is above my pay grade. I'm gonna go buy them. You're gonna go there. You're gonna be there. You gotta be there. Don't be a cheapskate. You don't always need a freebie. Go out there. You're getting big money to work the year.apskate. You don't always need a freebie. Go out there.

You're getting big money to work the year. Do you know what it is? Can I be very bougie? Yeah, yeah. I just want good seats. Nah, I know. I just want good seats. I just want good seats.

I wanna sit right next to where you sit. Cause I know you sit right next to me. You want me to get you one of those credentials? You be my assistant. Please. Your ego wouldn't allow it. I'll be your Instagram guy, I'll do anything. All your social media the day, everything for you.

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Look at these names. Shout out to Subriel Matias. Yeah, against Alberto Puello. David Morrell on there. Sort of flying under the radar. 100%. Right? Like considering the buildup to Benavides

and the way that they were going at each other. I mean, you said who could be the best fighter on this card. I mean, obviously it's Shakur Jain. The second could be David Morrell. He's fantastic. So it's an incredible card. And pressure on him as well to get back on track. Cause you know, the thing about Morrell,

Morrell's not really a light heavyweight. He chased Benavides up there to fight Benavides. He really is 160. He should be back at super middleweight. Cause that's his best weight. And I can see physically his size. I mean, we're going to see a comparison. When you see the weigh-ins and you see Balanga and Morrell,

you'll see there's not much difference, right? So Murrell should get his backside back down to 168. And because I think there's going to be openings for Belts soon as Canelo Crawford's done. All right, time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week. The show's done. One sec, one sec. Wait, wait.

The show's over. The show's over. Parting Shot, yeah. I've come all this way from London for this? You haven't come all the way for it. By the way, Parting shot presented by our good friends over at Netflix who of course are showing to the world. Taylor versus Serrano 3 can't wait this Friday. So, so I usually like to swerve you, right? But there's no swerve this time. There's no swerve. Sometimes you got to give credit where it's

due. Wait one second. And so we were talking about the heavyweights yeah let's talk about the future. Oh okay okay let's give a shout out to the big man first one up. There he is. I thought you were gonna be silly here. Nah. You know a tank. Leo Tang. But you know what they need to stop doing please match room everyone the next AJ there's so much pressure there's too But a tank, something funny, yeah? But you know what they need to stop doing? Please, match them, everyone. The next AJ. There's so much pressure, there's too much pressure on it. Well they put him there at the rebranding.

Yeah. It was AJ there, he was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The next one up. Yep, yep, yep. Almost passing the baton. Yep, yep, yep. To him.

How do you think AJ feels about that? AJ's like, one second, I'm not done yet. How are you doing? That's why AJ went up to him and started doing a little bit like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not, look, he's a doing? That's why AJ went up to him and started doing a little bit like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm like, look, he's a good fighter. He's only 18.

I think people are now already though, starting to build up in the UK. People are already saying Moses Atalma versus Atalma. That's what they're already doing. I'm like, already? How's his pro debut? But they will fight, he will have another fight in two weeks. Well, we were talking about the cruiserweight division.

Let's keep the train rolling. Multiple parting shots. How about the future of the cruiserweight division. Let's keep the train rolling. Multiple parting shots. How about the future of the cruiserweight division? Big Pat Brown, the Olympian. By the way, our take, our take about like them making too big of a difference is going to age so... Every time I watch, I'm like, Pat, look at these punches, man.

Oh, he just wants to really hurt like he... He beat him up like he stole something from him. Yeah. That upper cut. How he didn't go down. Oakford's tough though, he's tough as old boots, as they say. He's a massive, massive cruiserweight.

They're gonna need to do it quick with him because- Pat Brown versus Jake Paul, who wins? Okay, you know what, see? What a fight. This is my- What a fight. That Brown ain't ranked. Yeah, yeah. That was only like his what, his wins? Okay, you know what, see? But what a fight. This is my, this is my great win. What a fight. Matt Brown ain't ranked. Yeah, yeah, no, no.

That was only like his what, his second pro fight, third pro fight. You asked me who would win? Yeah, yeah. Olympian. Team GP, shout out. Third one for you. Why not?

Why not? I'm flew all the way here from London. Who's the third one? Let's give a shout out to our good friend, Sky Nicholson. Getting back on track, getting a stoppage. I like it, gone down in weight class as well. Which is nice to see. What'd you think?

Where did she go from here? I like that she needed this. I don't know. I don't know if she's trying to chase Ellie Scotland. I don't know if that's the plan. Well, they were under the same promotional banner and now Ellie left. Yeah, Ellie left, but now you can make that fight.

Ellie was the one saying that she was trying to get this fight for a while, right? Like she wanted this. She wanted it but Sky, you know, was chasing her own things. This guy became world champion, you know. She was trying to get the immense round of fight. Sky didn't go to the tear around fight. I'm like, what happened with the rematch? Rematch?

She needs to get her mojo back and maybe didn't want to be in that weight class anymore. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. But I like Sky a lot and it's good to see her, because one thing people say about Sky is that she boxes, she boxes and it's not exciting when she gets the knockout now. She got a stoppage which she needed. I think the second stoppage of her career, if-

You might be right. If memory serves me, but again, a person like Skye Nicholson looking at a car like this on Saturday. Yeah, and she'll be looking at, there's a few girls- Sorry, not Saturday, Friday. Friday. That's okay, that's okay, it's only sponsored by Netflix. Yeah, yeah, shout out, shout out.'s good that's okay it's only sponsored by Netflix yeah yeah shout out

shout out it's right there it's right there push it correctly yeah should be looking at and there's a few girls within a weight class that are on this card that should be like hmm including Scotney including Scotney so happy for any Scotney mother yeah what a great character she is by the way she's very fun she's got a great sense of humor she has not been here but just you know looking at her socials and also the the presser she was great at the presser she's very funny when when when Chris jr. was saying that he was gonna pay everyone who was on the first yes the first Ben you bank card she was like okay where do I send my invoice she got

the money did she get it got the money I've never checked in with her oh she did look oh that's amazing she was actually surprised yeah yeah yeah sent a She got the money. Did she get it? She got the money. I've never checked in with her. She posted it. She said, look. Oh, that's amazing. She was actually surprised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She sent her bank details over thinking whatever. Yeah, yeah. That's hilarious.

I remember when MVP signed her and just, I think she did her own social media. And like, she was like, oh my God, I'm in New York. Yeah, yeah. And that still holds some weight. We've had some big shows all over the world, but these fighters still think of MSG as the Mecca. Yeah. So the fact that she's fighting at the Mecca, you know, not the small room. And we've

spoken about this so many times at the theater, big room. Yeah. I think it's incredible for her career and she will perform. She comes out there to fight. I think they're going to love it. She's very similar to Katie where she just scraps. Maybe doesn't have the power, a bit like Katie, to be fair, but she'll put on a show. Good luck, Ellie Scotney. I'll be there to support you, Ellie. I'll be ringside to support you. Listen, the old heads will say the 70s and 80s were better and who am I to argue, but how spoiled are we with cards like this happening within the stretch of 24 hours?

10 years ago, we dreamed of one card like this, one card even remotely close to this. We're getting an incredible one on Netflix on Friday, and then an incredible one right here on Dazon on Saturday. I'm at the 19th as well. Can't wait. And then the 19th. Free fight calls on the 19th. The 19th is nuts.

It's crazy. You're getting Usyk Dubois, Pacquiao, and Barrios. Jesse Bam Rodriguez. And Jesse Bam Rodriguez. You kidding me? Golly. You kidding me? And if you're a combat fan, you're getting Dustin Poirier versus Max Holloway on that same night.

Is that happening? Yes! The retirementay on that same night. On that same night. Is that happening? Yes! The retirement fight on the same night. For both? What are we going to do? No, just for Dustin. Just for Dustin. We're out of time.

Thank you so much, Adé. Great to see you. Oh, sorry. Nearly. Nearly. Nearly left you hanging. Yeah, I mean, it happens to me all the time. I got a birthday party to go to.

And then, you know who gave me that? Virna Jandjiroba. She made it herself, handmade from the Amazon in Brazil. Right over there. Virna. Shout out to her. She made it for me. It's great to have you. I feel like I need some of this tough. You need to come visit us more often.

I need to come visit more? The agreement was you're going to come to London sometimes. Look at this guy. I need to come more. I've been here three times. That is true. I've been invited. I will not be seeing you on July 19th. No invite for me, but one of these days we'll do it again.

Thank you very much to Pizzi Caro who joined us from the Open Workouts. You can check them out right now on YouTube. Thank you very much to our team back there. Thank you to the great Adeolo Depot who I urge you to watch tomorrow. Semi-final number two PSG versus Real Madrid. And then of course, the final on Sunday. What a weekend for Dizone. What a weekend for Adi. What a weekend for Adi. What a weekend for Adi. From 3 AM buses to MetLife Stadium. Crazy. Incredible. Enjoy the fights, my friends. We're out.