The Ariel Helwani Show - Chael Sonnen in studio, Leon Edwards, Claressa Shields, Josh Hokit, Jon Jones reaction, massive weekend recap

Episode Date: November 10, 2025

Ariel Helwani begins the show with a recap of UFC Vegas 111, including Gabriel Bonfim’s stoppage of Randy Brown in the main event and Chris ‘Taco’ Padilla’s plea for a performance bonus (07:49), before quickly touching on this weekend’s boxing, including Vergil Ortiz’s big win and action from Misfits (24:27).Leon Edwards joins to preview his UFC 322 fight against Carlos Prates, speaking about Prates having him as his phone wallpaper, facing a striker for the first time since Nate Diaz, who he hopes to face after Saturday, his thoughts on Ian Machado Garry and Jorge Masvidal, and more (33:28).‘The Bad Guy’ himself, Chael Sonnen, is back in studio to talk about his future foray into politics, Josh Hokit’s promo paying homage to Chael, the UFC’s betting scandal and potential ramifications for the promotion, his criticism for Valentina Shevchenko and how her UFC 322 fight has been promoted, who he expects to headline the White House card, Jon Jones deserving to be in the UFC rankings, Ronda Rousey’s return, and more (1:00:51).Josh Hokit makes his debut on the show, breaking down his viral promos and reacting to Chael Sonnen’s appreciation for the promos, talking about his collegiate football and wrestling careers, his callout of Valter Walker, training with Jon Jones, his exit from the PFL, and more (2:09:20).Claressa Shields returns on the heels of her massive $8 million deal to discuss the stress of being a free agent, being close to signing with Most Valuable Promotions, potential fights against Mikaela Mayer, Shadasia Green, and Franchon Crews-Dezurn, moving on from the Laila Ali fight, wanting to win a third Olympic gold medal, and more (2:35:06).The show concludes with a few bits of news and notes, including Islam Makhachev’s welterweight physique, the buzz — or lack thereof— for UFC 322 and Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn 2, Paddy Pimblett teasing a fight against Ilia Topuria, whether the UFC should revisit talks of Topuria vs. Makhachev, Jon Jones’ recent round of comments, and more (3:14:38).

Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eri-A-R-I-D-Y show. Back in your life on this Monday, November 10th, 2000. And 25, hello again, everyone. I sure. Hope you're doing well. Hope you had a lovely weekend, wherever you may be. Hope it was nice, relaxing. Hope it was filled with love and happiness.

Hope you're all in a great mood. There's a lot to be excited about. The road to UFC 322 is upon us. It is right there. We are five days away from arguably the best pay-per-view card of the year. My IFB is showing. Madison Square Garden, New York City, the mecca. The center of the sports world becomes the center

of the mixed martial arts world on this particular weekend. What a card, two title fights, two super fights, if you will. Two champions defending titles against two other champions moving up. Never before has there been a card like this. Massive, massive stakes. Massive names. As deep as it gets. I had a lovely week.

After the show on Wednesday, I went to Toronto, the 6th. Everyone was very sad over there. Sort of a general malaise kind of draping the city. Everyone's still in mourning. They're getting better, but everyone was very sad. In the midst of all of this, I had what seemed like every single Dodgers fan, including some of the players coming after me in a very aggressive, and dare I say, classless way. We'll have some words about them in a moment.

But it just seemed like everyone was like, guys, you won, okay? What do you care about me? But they were just coming after me. Incessantly, it was very aggressive. And dare I say classless. But I was there with my friends at the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, as we get set for Milano Cortina, 2026. You don't call it the Winter Olympics, as my Vladite Toy falls. It's Milano Cortina, 2026.

That's what they say. I had a chance to interview, Sidney Crosby. That interview is coming out. Very excited about that. I mean, only one of the greatest hockey players of all time. two Olympic gold medals on his resume if he wins a third in February which he probably will only Canadian male hockey player

to ever win three Olympic gold I mean a pretty big deal came home unfortunately there was no football yesterday to watch so it was pretty boring didn't really have much to partake in nothing to really watch but hopefully you know we get back to it

on this coming weekend because it was kind of dull like without any no no no no no no no no no I was told that nothing happened nothing happened of no you know I'll just say this if I can real quickly if I could just say real quickly I hear all you Patriots fans you're very loud you're very happy you're very excited that oh the pads are back the pads are back Drake May MVP just chill out all right what is it week 10 could we just chill out for a second chill out just chill for a second

Josh and the boys will figure it out no problem and you're all loving this I get it You're all loving this. And trust me, I'm sick to my stomach. Don't make any deals. Trade deadline. Don't improve the wide risk. I get it. You're all loving this.

Oh, our window closed. I get it. You're all loving this. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. Don't worry.

We'll figure it out. The boys will write the ship. But you're as obnoxious and annoying as ever. And I get it. When you've been irrelevant for four or five years, it's fun to let it all out. I get it. I get it. But don't worry.

Okay. They've got to be happy. One was less than the pat's at anything. Exactly. That's exactly. my point. They've been irrelevant for four or five years. They've won a couple games in a row. Okay, let's just see what happens come end of December, early January. Let's see who's who. Let's see what. I'm a little nervous. No problem. Nervous in the moment. Not about the big picture.

The big picture is going to be just fine. Number one seed, here we come. No problem. You see what I'm saying, G.C. You share my optimism. Yeah, I got you, man. Number one seed, here we come. Yes. You got a little flyer. Oh yeah. Yeah. I wouldn't even call it a flyer. It's a pretty substantial wager on the bills when the Super Bowl. How do I feel? Not great. Not great after yesterday. No, no. We're going to be fine. A couple injuries, you know, didn't make any moves. There was a little bit of a panic, but we'd be okay. What's this t-shirt you're wearing? What's his t-shirt? Oh, yeah. Shout to Street X. What is? But you've got to remember the back is the most important. Wow. Is that a new drop? Yeah, they hooked me up

with it after the win at UFC 315. They made this special. Wow. I had to wear the pullover all day because you can't really walk around the office I was wondering why you had that thing zipped up

you were rocking the man united pullover which is a weird one after the last two games that they've had well it's the trip to Manchester

you know I do it more for fashion than support no no of course we know this we've already addressed this

that's a great sure and of course it is JDM Fight Week force had a big win yesterday so happy about that it's all good

I know you all relish my my misery but that's fine we're going to be okay everyone's going to be okay. We have a lot to discuss with a lot of people on this here program. Back into the show, Clarissa Shields, who announced that she has signed a new two-year deal with Salita promotions and with win records. There was some talk that she would go to MVP or maybe elsewhere.

She is back. She's saying it's a $8 million two-year deal. She is saying it's the most lucrative deal ever for a women's boxer. Also a $3 million signing bonus. Who is she going to What is she going to do? It's always great to catch up with New York Rick's favorite fighter. She'll join us at 3 o'clock, excuse me, 3.30. At 3 o'clock, Josh Hokit, who was victorious on Saturday and cut a very mean promo afterwards. It was Shades of Chal P. Sunnan. He's going to join us. He is a product of the contender series. He wins in his first official UFC bout a very interesting character. We'll replay that in case you missed it and break it all down with Chale P, who will join us in studio at 2 p.m. Eastern, it's always great to have the UFC in town because that means

some notables are in the area. Chal P will join us in studio at 2 o'clock and at 1.35. So in about 35 minutes or 30 minutes from now, Leon Rocky Edwards, the former UFC Walterway champion who, dare I say, is facing a must-win situation on Saturday. It is a very, very big fight for him against Carlos Prachas, haven't seen him since the loss to Sean Brady some eight or so months ago. And it's been a minute since we spoke to him. So looking forward to that chat and all of these chats right here on this program. You know, a couple of weeks ago, we talked about how the next, well, from Saturday, November 15th to Saturday, November 22nd, we talked about how it's a, you know, it's an eight-man tournament, and there are four really big fights at 170 pounds.

Of course, the biggest is Islamachad, moving up to 170 to fight the current champion, Jack Della Madalena, the aforementioned Leon Edwards against Carlos Prachas, Sean Brady going up against Michael Morales. And then seven days later in Qatar, Ian Gary, Ian Machado Gary, against Balal Muhammad. but you know shame on us shame on us because while we were focusing on those eight fighters and those four fights we failed to talk about gabrielle bonfim who is very much in the mix right now at 170 pounds he he has now won four fights in a row believe the record is 19 and 1 if not 18 and 1 is it 19 and 1 it's 19 and 1 had a loss five fights ago that was to nicholas dalby lost via second round TKO if not for that one he'd be a perfect 20 and O had a big opportunity to headline this apex card on Saturday against the always tough the very hard out Randy Brown

gets the big win wins via second round TKO unfortunately I think for him afterwards he wasted the callout afterwards he called out Colby Covington which is the biggest waste of a callout not because he's not worthy of fighting a Colby Covington because Colby Covington ain't fighting him. I mean, first of all, Colby Covington ain't fighting anyone, but if Colby does come back, it sure as heck isn't going to be against a killer like Gabriel Bofim. And I don't necessarily blame Colby for that. I just think you win a big main event. The spotlight's on you. People are talking about it. It's a, you know, it's a big time stoppage. It's a complete waste of a call out to call out Colby Covington. One of the names, like, there's a very good chance he's

fighting one of the winners or at worst one of the losers who are all big names in the next you know the next week of welterweight fights he's getting one of those guys he's in that mix he's going to get a top 10 like the top 10 right now at 170 pounds features the likes of you know gilbert burns and and guys like that who you know jeff neal like he's going he's going to leapfrog those guys and so i would have taken the opportunity call out you know a morales call out a Leon, call out of Carlos, you're in the mix with those guys. But nevertheless, he called out McCobie, which, you know, is what it is. I got a lot of shit online because I said, listen, I didn't say that I hated the stoppage. It wasn't egregious. It wasn't one of the worst

stoppages of all time. I just thought it was a tad premature. And I think we've all, I was actually surprised at how few people agreed with me. The only ones who really seemed to agree with me were the broadcast. I think it was Cruz and Paul Felder. Very smart, very accomplished fighters, former fighters. They seem to agree with me. But everyone else was saying it was the worst take of all time, including my own friends. Here's the finishing sequence, and I get it. The fall onto the canvas doesn't look great. But that's a moment in time right there. Look at this. What's that all about, intelligently defending himself is Randy Brown. I don't know, guys. I can, but look at this. He's 100% there. So I think the thing is, like, if you look at the one where he starts turtling

up, like the ref is already stepping in at that point. You think it's, you know, he's doing it after the fact? Yeah, I don't feel that strongly about it. It wasn't. I don't feel strongly about it, but I think we've all seen a couple of more seconds, a couple more shots. Yeah, when I was watching it in real time, I didn't have the commentary on, so I didn't. hear them and I thought it was a it was a fine stop. He thought it was totally fine. I was like, well, man, was he really out? But then, you know, the fall backwards is bad. Like, he guys falls. You know, you slip on ice, you fall. You don't look good in that moment. He fell because he got neat in the face, though. Pizzi, surely you agree. I mean, look at that.

Agree with you, see, yeah, completely. Oh, geez. Couldn't care less. No, no, no, hang on a second, right? You, Cruz and all these lads sick of it. All right? This lad goes down like a sack of sports. He's, the referee, he's, the referee. is on him and he starts doing this as soon as he touches him, right? Randy, what do you want the ref to do? He is to react in a split second to make sure a fighter is or isn't intensely defending himself. He jumps on him. Randy is out. He drops like a sack of spuds. He stops it and fair enough to your point and that screenshot that was delicately selected there for us all to look at is this as soon as the reference. No, no, no, listen, we're very

unbiased here. I showed you the, I could, I could have ignored the other screenshot where he's out like, you know, like a stiff board. We can't show the highlights here, so I'm trying to complete the entire picture here. So please don't insinuate. The point is, Randy Brown falls, the neck definitely goes back, the head goes back. But I think immediately he's unaware of where the referee is. His first instinct is to defend himself intelligently and look at the eyes. But the decision is made at that stage.

You think so? Because it seemed like it was right before the ref stepped in, Mark Smith. It's moving so fast. I think it's on contact nearly. He's lifted up. And look, I think it's fine. I understand, like, if I'm Randy Brown, I probably don't think it's fine.

But watching it, I've seen so much worse, so much worse than that. It's hard for me to get very upset about it, you know? I mean, the brought, what did you think, Rick? I thought it was fine. You thought it was fine? I feel like you guys just are saying this because, like, it was a sort of nothing card.

And I hate these conversations because... He's trying to start a fight this time. We demand, we demand the referee. Whenever, whenever it goes, two punches too long, we're like, oh my God, these referees, they're going to let somebody die in there. They're the worst. Oh, my God, it'll kill them. And then if they do their jobs and they're going to stop it right before somebody's going to take those extra shots, we go, eh, you know what, it was too early. They have to ride this razor thin expectation that they stop it right at the

millisecond the guy's eyes glass over, but not one millisecond before that or not one millisecond after that, I just don't, I don't care, like, I personally don't care to debate on either side of that. When it's a little, when it's a little late, I'm kind of just like, all right, when it's a little early, I'm like, all right. Honestly, I also feel like the slip from Bonfim makes it look more, like you don't need to stop it because he falls also. It almost looks like a double knockout, but he's just slipping because of the knee that he lands. And if he stays standing, he probably ends up landing a couple follow shots on him. So you guys don't think this is like, Joseph Parker Fabio Wardley

absurd I will say this honest to God I was watching it also I was watching it without commentary and I saw it and I was like hmm and then I did the 10 second back thing with commentary

because I wanted to see what they say and I was happy to see that you know some really well respected future Hall of Fame type fighters agreed and then I went online and no one no one agreed with me so you know I saw a couple people agree with you. Sometimes it's, you know, listen, you have to be comfortable enough in my conviction

and beliefs to put it out there and so be it. I'm not going to say it's as bad as the way the anti-Delia situation was handled or the Tom Aspinall situation was handled, but I will just say I thought it was just a smidge premature. All to say, though, Bonfim's a great fighter, and does anyone disagree with the take that this guy's in the mix? No, he's definitely in the mix. um he he's he's had a uh look he i think the reason he hasn't been in the conversation and in the

mix of this point is like he kind of has these like up and down performances even though he his record is pretty sterling against wonder boy like it wasn't like super impressive and so i think there's kind of this like he hasn't had that definitive moment in the way that some of these other fighters have uh to me this was this was a very uh definitive moment like against a guy as good as randy brown who i think is as good as many of the guys in the rankings This was a very, very impressive finish. The knee was incredible. And even to that point, it looked like he had really crunch tape on Randy Brown

was chopping up that leg, was chewing him up. I was very impressed by this performance. I think he's in a fight with any of these guys. So yes, I think you're right to point out that he's in this conversation for sure. Nice little finish there. I'm not trying to take anything away from him. Well, other than saying that it should have been. I just thought it was a smidge, a smidge.

But other than that, it was a great win. He looked good. And here I am saying we should have been talking about him as one of the top dogs. And I feel like by the time this month is over, the next two events, he's going to be in the mix. He's going to be in the mix with one of these guys. I'm not saying he's fighting for the belt or even two away from the belt, but I think he'll

be fighting one of these names. Joseph Morales with a nice submission win, nice guillotine choke win against Matt Schnell. Uros Medich, with a great finish of Muslim Sarachov. Chris Tocopadilla got a lot of people talking about him afterwards because he went on the microphone and essentially said, you know, I'd love a bonus and didn't get a bonus. And then I saw a lot of people saying, like, if you ask for the bonus, you don't get it. But I don't know if there's any sort of research that backs this up. That would be really weird if they're like, oh, you asked for it and you don't get it. I mean, of course, the most famous one is Connor asking for the bonus and he did

get it. But did you guys see this? This is strange, no? Yeah. What do you think of that? What do you think of the UFC, seeing a guy win a fight and then being in the ring speaking for maybe two minutes about, you know, how much he needs money. I don't think that's a look that they encourage. I think we've had this conversation before about the way people go about asking for the bonus. It obviously everyone, how many people have said like, you know, done the 60 G's line since McGregor. There's been a whole lot of that. But I don't think the UFC want to portray an image of a guy who's fought for a number of times for the promotion. Granted, this is an apex card, but he's on the main card of this apex card.

And when he wins, like, he's really kind of making a very, very strong point about how he has no money. I just can't imagine that's a situation that they want broadcast around the world, you know? It's weird. And then afterwards, even at the post-fight press conference, he's very emotional, talking about his mother and trying to help her out. I just, there's two separate thoughts here. Number one, you're right.

It's a horrible look. And I hope that it gets corrected by the time this Paramount deal kicks in in a little over or a little less than two months time. You know, that there's higher bonuses, that there's higher pay and all this stuff. They're making double what they were making with ESPN. So you would have to think, I don't know if everything's going to be doubled as well, but you would have to think that there's going to be a bump. so there's that there's that portion and then there's the other thought that it's like hey we're not going to reward people ask for that that seems cruel and i don't know if there's

anything that backs that up i'd like to think that that's not the case um but yeah it's it's it is weird when you're watching this and it's the major leagues of of mama and a guy just got a big win and the first thing that comes to mind is to beg for a bonus because his his pay isn't that great and it doesn't help his family oh by the way a week after, you know, we're talking about people walking up, like, you get it, right? You know, like, people are going up to fighters and saying, hey, you know, here's a hundred K for you to throw this fight. Do you kind of understand now why some fighters are open to this? Do you kind of understand why this is a very easy thing to pull off?

This is exactly it. Like, if I'm one of these shady characters and you hear this type of talk from a fighter, this is exactly the type of guy that you would think that they would try to, target, right? And it's, you know, it's just a little disheartening as a fan to see all this stuff. You just wish that, you know, they were making a, in the major leagues of them, a more comfortable wage so that they wouldn't feel the need to partake in the stuff that we talked about last week or to feel like they are forced to beg openly about this type of thing. It's weird. Yeah, nothing to add to the former point. The former point, I think you've well stated,

right in terms of the fighters need to be paid more and it opens the ufc and other organizations up to the idea of people approaching these fighters to fix fights because of how suppressed their incomes are the the latter point about like whether the ufc would penalize people for asking for bonuses i'm with you i don't really see the correlation there i don't i don't believe it to be true i would also say that more often than not it actually skews like main card versus prelims right where it's like the in the bigger and girls in the bigger spots with the bigger spotlights get the performance bonuses and those are the ones that don't necessarily hop on the mic and beg for the for the bonuses because they are probably in a better lucrative position anyway so it's like a rich get richer

situation and maybe it looks from the outside maybe there's a correlation but not a causation where you're looking at and just seeing these prelim fighters asking for it and not getting it but maybe it's just more of you know they're they're lower in the car they're not in the bigger moments and they don't necessarily have it. Like, you know, Quillen Salkild is going to get a bonus because he put on that performance and had that knockout, right? It doesn't matter whether he's a prelims or main card. But when it becomes a decision making, when it's like one versus the other, I do believe

there's some numbers out there that lend credence to the fact that they look higher up the card and give it to the people in the higher leverage positions. But either way, the solve for all of these things, whether that's true or not, whether the UFC does have this like secret policy where they don't reward people asking for. because they don't want to encourage that or not. The solve for all of this is them all just getting paid more. That is how we solve all of these things that ill. It's all just speculation.

I mean, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason to it. They gave Zach Rees, who was the first part of the night of bonus this week, yeah, CLD as well. Yeah, I mean, and who's to say that these other guys aren't struggling for money? And then maybe at that point, you know, if you're, if you only get a bonus when you ask for it, it's, it's kind of a messy situation. I don't I am in agreement with y'all I don't think there's any truth to that yeah I mean the bonus talk always is a little bit weird for me because that's just a discretionary thing yeah you know this is just a bunch of you know it's it's it's who knows it's Dana white it's Mick Maynard it's Sean Shelby who knows who's actually making the call here just deciding into your point GC Zach Rees was the first fight Josh Hokit was the other performance bonus winner he was the fourth fight Christian Leroy Duncan was like mid tier and then got Gabriel Bofim, who yes, was the main event, but it's not like he's making, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars in that spot. I do feel for Chris in that he was fighting Ismail Bonfim, so Gabriel's brother who missed weight

by five pounds. Yeah. And usually when that happens, the guy who misses weight wins. And here he is winning via second round TKO. And so I understand, you know, the feeling of, hey, I stepped up. He did get, you know, some money from Ismail as well. But that is a risk. Five pounds is a lot.

is definitely a lot to miss by no he did everything right and his entire UFC career has been nothing short of remarkable like Taco's run has been absolutely incredible because he's been an underdog several times stepping in on short notice never like has done everything

right in the UFC so you hate to see like it tugs at the heartstrings more when you see a guy in his position like him having to ask for this having to kind of lay this all out there and be emotional about it it is particularly touching it is particularly affecting

but he just has to continue to do the right things but he's been on an incredible tear and had such a great UFC run I think the sky's the limit for him CLD the aforementioned CLD Christian Leroy Duncan with the beautiful spinning back fist which led to the TKO win over

Marco Tullio so no fairy tale week for Marco after his girlfriend Norman Dumont won the previous week at the at the apex big win for the Brit, Jamal Emmer's, with a win as well. Haoni Barcellos with a unanimous decision win, Jacqueline Cavalcanti,

Josh Hokit, who's going to join us, Denise Gomez, Daniel Marcos, and Zach Reese, all with wins on Saturday night in Las Vegas. And we always talked about, you know, since this little stretch was announced, you know, two sort of ho-hum events, and then we get to the big one, UFC 322. So now we are past those.

apex events. I think there's one more apex, right? There's the December 13th card, I think, is at the apex, and then that's it for the rest of the year. I think there's only four cards left, as crazy as that sounds. But we'll get into the 322 talk throughout the show, and of course throughout the week as well. There was a misfits card last night, guys. Who was locked in on misfits on a Sunday night? Anyone? Yeah, I wasn't. Yeah. Oh. No? I saw the highlights on Twitter. Petit, come on. I did see the highlights.

Andre Arlowski with the big win. Arlowski now victorious in BKFC, dirty boxing, and in Mitzvitz. Look at this. Fourth round. 46-year-old, right? Yeah. Do we know what the score cards were going into the fourth and final? Let me look that up real quick.

No, I have no idea. Do they? They definitely don't release the scorecards. Andre, how's taste a knockout? Look at him just, I mean, going through the promotions, making the rounds. DBX, BKFC, his last three fight cards. Okay, let's just go four. UFC to DBX, to BKFC, to MF dual.

And didn't he win all of them outside the UFC? Yep, 3 and L. Legend. What a guy with the big win over Kalechi, D-K, Dyke? Nailed it. Yeah. I don't know. D-Y-K.

I don't know. I'm down there. No? Something like that. Which is tough. Yeah. Ashton H2 O. Silve making his Misfits debut, picked up a win.

So going from MVP to Misfitsits. One of Pizzi's favorite fighters. I know he's a big B-Dave guy. Pete, you love B-Dave, right? You know that he... You inspired his Selly. Yeah. Yeah, look at this.

Oh! Really great, Selly. Piztie, take it all in. Take it all in, won't you? Yeah, I just love to scrolet him. Oh, Jesus. I didn't know B-Dave was fucking throwing that out there. I thought you called him beforehand and gave that to him, P-C.

What is that? What is he simulating there, G. There's a few things. I think he has them on his shorts. Oh, gee. I think it says Gok on his shorts or does it say B-Dade. I don't know. Gaw-N-O-N-N-O-W-W-W-Gaw-M-D-M-D-A.

Tennessee logo on his shorts, too. Shout to the balls. You wouldn't want your mind sitting in front and open out, would you? saxophone? What is it? What is he doing? He's playing saxophone? What is that? One more time. Oh, yeah, that's what it is. Doing that. Wait, wait. I actually think I'm getting to the bottom of this.

He's wearing, on his shorts, it says dollar sign gawk. Okay, okay. I think he, maybe he's promoting the gawk coin. Ah. Really high level stuff. What's that got to deal with what he's doing there, though? So you can, you can't see it. There's the, there's the dollar sign. I think it's a, I think it's a, a gawk coin maybe.

Let's just see it again. I keep, I'm trying to figure it. Do me favor. Take it easy, bro. Let's just go to the beginning because I want to just pause. Just play the clip, but just pause it from the very beginning. I just want to pause it right here, pause it? Oh, as he's about to fall. Also, questionable stoppage here too.

Questionable on RSS. Are you kidding me? Easy, easy. Look at the bottom left. Look at how he's faunted his opponent. Do you see that? Oh, that means. It's a Rod Stewart's son.

No, no, not just that. That's what they called him on the broadcast. Yeah. Rod Stewart's son's down. It's actually Rod Stewart's son. Sean Stewart. What's going on? That's brutal, man. That's not way Rod Stewart's letting his son do this shit.

They don't even call you by name. They call you by your Rod Stewart's son. A.K. Sean Stewart, who is now 0-1 in boxing. I don't even know if it's pro-bott. No, it's an exhibition. I don't know how they found it. You also know that was 15 seconds into the fight. 15 seconds, and he pulled that off.

He is a problem, man. He is a problem. loop. The sensors for sure. Man. What a knockout. You think someone flashed like

apologies for the... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God. You say, uh, you say bollocks on there. They freak out. But meanwhile, that's fucking illegal. Yeah, B. Dave is going crazy.

He's going crazy over there. Oh, yeah. Someone said, uh, dollar sign gawk tattoo incoming at B Dave 69. Yeah, the developer of the dollar sign gawk coin. Yeah.

Yeah, I think he's promoting a some sort of crypto or something. Okay. All right. Well, that wasn't the only boxing that happened on DeZone this weekend. Virgil Ortiz with the big win on Saturday. That was real boxing. Look at this.

Against Lubin in the second round does exactly what he needs to do. They go crazy. Boots Ennis in attendance. Eddie Heron in attendance as well. Are they finally going to make this fight? It's the fight to make at 154 pounds

there's Boots, there's Eddie I liked it oh he says it's time I love that they showed up sitting next to Alicia Baumgartner I saw I saw Ortiz's team afterwards saying Errol Spence is the fight to make golly it absolutely

is not the fight to make is 100% Virgil Ortiz you see senior over there and boots someone on on Twitter tweeted to Virgil afterwards and said you know thanks for winning me this money and Virgil got a little Isaac Dalgarian on him.

He asked him for a tip. What do we think? What is that? Bulgarians pre-fight. Oh, post-fight? Cheeky little comment there from Virgil. That's the screen you get when you do that? They don't have that, by the way, in Europe, right, PT?

They do, yeah. I don't know why Americans don't think you tip people over here. Everyone gets tips. Jordan only said this to me like two weeks. Before he was in, when he got home from Portland? He's like, oh, he's don't tip over there. I was like, no, we do. You're just being a dickhead.

No, no, no, but they don't even put a thing. They don't even put a line. They do have the thing. They do not. I was literally just there. I live here. Who do you believe? Who do you believe?

Who do you believe? I live in you. This is right out now. Okay, today I got a coffee and I hit the 10%. No, there's no shit. What's the percentage? 20% restaurants. Wow.

Wow. That's very American. No, I was told, chat, GPT, told me in Europe, you don't tip. Oh, well, then. I'm sorry. Yeah. I have been mistaken. Okay.

Well, maybe that's why the better to know. True or false, when you go to a restaurant, there's no line. There's no line, but it comes up when you put the car thing, the same thing that Virgil Ortiz is put up there. That's what's going to hit you with that. This is crazy. This is absolutely. Is that for a coffee at restaurants too?

Coffee, yeah. Restaurants everywhere. Here it's everything. Here's like I go get a water from the bodega and it's like tip. I mean, come on. I mean, I literally went to get the water. I literally went to get the water. Really?

No, hell. Oh, okay. I wouldn't go. No, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that in a corner shop or something like that. No way. It's not happening. Coffies, restaurants, all that shit.

I'm keeping the fuck out of people. Pub? Oh, come on. What? Wait, what? If you get, like, a substantial amount of the drink over, I mean. Guy gives you, the Guinness. You don't put the one?

Oh, you don't give them a, uh... Bar tips here are, like, mandatory, bro. Yeah. If they're bringing, if they're bringing... Like, say if you have a tab, yes, but if you're just going to the bar and now. How often do you have a tab? Like, is it just they close it out after every transaction, or do they let you keep a tab, usually?

It's getting more tabby, I'd say. But like down your local, it's not happening. That's something like crazy you should have heard. You tip your barber? Yeah, of course. You're supposed to do that? So basically with the drinks thing, if it's down the local, you'll give them a tip if they,

so say like they come around to the table and you're, which I'm eight and you're like, give me six points of Guinness. And they bring them to it. You'll give them a tip then. But if I went to the bar, if I went to the bar, I'm going to gossip myself. I mean, what are we doing there? Taxi driver, Pete? No wonder.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, said it. You tip counter service? What's counter service? You guys call it takeaway, right? You got a pickup takeaway? Delivery. Well, we don't call it counter.

No one's called it. Yeah, we call it takeout. The history of mankind. No one's called it counter service tonight. Yeah, what is that? But we have, what is that? We have drone delivery here now, you know what I mean? For real.

It comes to your house for your house for your drone. own. Parks out and we back yard. Yeah. It will just get lowered into the garden. Serious. Are you messing around? No stress about the tip.

No, I swear to God. It's only in Blanchard Sound as well. It's holding your thing like a stork holding a baby. Like it lowers it down on a string. Yeah, that's weird. And then the string just drops. And then you have to cut it off and take it. But you know, it's great.

You don't have to worry about the tip then. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's no human interaction. Oh, the machine doesn't deserve a tip, huh? Well, you damage the machine. You start throwing coins out of you. You don't I mean, Frank? yes no for sure maybe our next guest knows a thing or two about this ptzee we'll we'll check in with

you as we go around the world of combat sports back into the program but for now let us turn our attention he's got a busy week he doesn't want to sit around listening to us talk about all of this he returns to action this saturday first fight at madison square garden it's a big one it's up against carlos preaches as we entered this massive massive week this massive seven-day stretch for the welterweights a man who is very much in the in the middle of all of that is the former Walterway champion looking to make a big comeback beginning this Saturday, the one and only the pride

of Brum, the pride of Jamaica as well. Leon Edwards. Rocky Edwards, our old friend, is he there? Yeah, he's back. He's back, Leon. How you been, my friend? I'm all good, I'm all good. Just here in New York, Shireen. How you been? How's New York treating you? It's been good. The weather is same as the UK, so that's the same.

It's all good. By the way, do you get drone takeaway as well over in Birmingham? Do you hear this stuff? That drone will get robbed. Once it lands. Someone would run away with it? Yeah, 100%. That gets stolen. It's only where PT lives.

He lives in a very posh neighborhood, so he was probably used to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, well, we're very excited. We're very excited to have you back. Can we talk about the making of this fight? How did we end up on this day, on this card against Carlos Prachas? How did we end up here from your perspective. The names that was put to me was it first. I think it was it was it was, it was

trying to figure out where to have it. Was it to have it under the thumb card or New York? So the opponent was always the same. It was just more about what was going to be the thumbs card or this card. I remember when he won in August, he mentioned wanting to fight you, but he wanted to fight you in Brazil. And I remember saying on that Monday, I don't see any scenario. in which Leon Edwards is going to fight this guy in Rio, right? Nah, definitely not. That wasn't a possibility. He fights for our own fights, and before New York was the perfect place.

It's an iconic venue, so let's get it. Did they even present that to you? What? Fighting in Rio, yeah. No, no, no, no. They knew better. They knew better than that to actually go to Brazil. So, yeah, I feel like New York is the perfect spot.

Did you like the idea of fighting him? Did it make sense to you? Yeah, I feel like he's coming off a good win or with Jeff Neal. I feel like he's got like a little energy around right now. So I feel that's a good matchup to re-represent myself to the world. And it's going to be a fantastic fight. Taking a step back, we haven't seen much from you, heard much from you since March, since the Sean Brady fight. How did you process that one?

How did you digest it and what did you do to kind of get back on track? I feel like same as I do my wins I mean you just got to take it for what it is it is what it is you can't change it you got to learn from it of the technical side of you got to learn from it and just getting everything back to where you want it you know

and same as I do my wins when I win I don't really dwell on it too much either it is and it's got to go to come with a career you know obviously the big switch was was much talked about right you were supposed to fight jack Jack then gets the title shot, Sean enters, but they were completely different fighters

with different styles. In retrospect, do you regret saying yes to Sean on short notice? Obviously, it would have been perfect for like an actual camp for like a proper camp for the change of styles and everything. But that's not what you get in the USC. You know what I mean?

He's like, do you want to do yes, I know? And at the time, I fought in good shape. technical-wise, these two different stylistic matchup from what I was training for for the whole camp. But like I said, if you can't sit here and make excuses, it is what it is. You got the win and it is what it is. So there's this influx of new blood, of new names at 170. And I feel like the sentiment now is like, okay, the old guard is getting passed by and here's

this new guard. Do you listen to any of this stuff? Are you motivated by it? Do you get annoyed by it? How do you react to some of the talk surrounding? and you and some of the older 1-70-pounders? I feel like that's just like talk, right? Look at Kumari.

It came out the other day and did great. There's other guys that's the NBA, we're won in the division. So I feel like all just talk. It doesn't bother me one bit. I think that's just the game, right? It's got a crack on. They're all big fights in the UFC, obviously. But does this feel like a must win for you?

Does it feel like you have to win in order to remain as one of the top dogs at 170? Yeah, 100%. I feel it must have been all fights, but this fight is definitely a must have been for my plans. You know, I want to become a world champion. This is one guy that's in my way. So I feel like it's definitely to get me back to my plan. This is a perfect fight for me. It's crazy.

When you look at your resume, you can make a very strong case that this is the first time since the Diaz fight. that you fought a non-wrestler, right? And that was, that was 2021, because then afterwards you had Camaro twice, Colby, Balal, Sean. That has to feel good, right? Yeah, 100%. I'm so excited for this fight.

It's been a long time. It's been six years as well since my last three-round fight. And I'm excited to go out there and just mix it up and just get to work. You know, it's two different fighting styles as well. we find like a wrestler. It's too different from how you would fight like a striker. You know what I mean?

So I get to show more skills and it's going to be a good one. That's right. Since the Gunner Nelson fight, right? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't think of that. So how does that change? Like, are you still training five rounds or do you change the way? I train for three rounds.

You know, I feel like when you train for five rounds, you might get used to the pace of the five rounds. And I think it's a perfect example. when I can't remember you did it and it kind of like started off slow like it's fighting five rounds and I mean and for shit I'm only fighting three rounds

I need to pay up so I feel like for three round fight you want to try to sprint it you know and that's my mentality going into it so I've seen from the limited stuff that you put out that you have kind of a plan for this fight and then

the next couple fights in 2026 so can you lay it out for us what are you thinking? For me I'll go out there I'll take out Carlos from there. I want to fight again. It's come back to the UK in March, April. I love to be in that card,

and then I want to fight for the World Tourarians in the summer. So that's my free fight plan. And who's the ideal guy? There it is. Is it Ian, as stated on this graphic? If you lose, then no. If he wins, then, yeah. is one of the annoying

waterways in the division so that would be good to go out there and smoke in the mountain do you think he beats Bilal next week and Belar comes out and thinks he's from Canello again then no

but if it comes out and wrestles and hold and yeah I think against the victory so it depends on how Bilal decide to approach it I think were you surprised that Jack beat Bilal no not really not really i think jack is a is a good fire you know i mean um like you said belaw fell in

over his hands and if he could outstrike the striker and it didn't pay off you know and um if you can go into the fire i did pick jack i think so yeah uh the the the narrative in the aftermath of that fight was that bala kind of strayed away from his game plan but my my take on it was that Jack forced him to stray away from his game plan. What did you think it was? Did you think it was Bilal trying to prove that he can stand and strike with someone like Jack? Or do you think that Jack did a good job of keeping the fight standing him and keeping him at bay? A bit of both.

I feel it's a bit of both, but also I feel like Below straight away from the game plan as far as listening to the fans and thinking, I can strike. You know, I mean, I can outstrike the striker. And so I think a bit of both, I would say. I think Jack also done great work. That's the reason why he wanted to fight. But at the same time, I feel like Below, probably starts believing too much in the fans and in his team or whatever it is and feeling he's outstrike the striker and he just didn't pay up. What do you think of JDM versus Islam this weekend? Who do you favor in that one?

I'm still like going back and forth with it. I don't know. I don't know. It all just depends on how Islam look at 170. Can he go with Jackers are? He's good at scrambling. I mean, can Islam keep that pace at a heavier weight? whilst getting hijap-punch combinations while getting body shots, head shots, and then keep going.

It all just depends, eh. I feel like if Islam comes out and just wrestles straight away, then obviously you have to go with Islam. But I don't know, it would be good. Have you seen? I'm just like to watch it as a fan too, for there. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a great matchup, it's a great card. Have you seen some of the pictures of Islam? He's looking.

Yeah, he's looking filled out. He's looking filled out. I don't know. Is that boxing, remember when you used to move up to head? When you first foot, a heavyweight, he wasn't as light on his feet as he is now. I mean, I feel like it had to, like, build into the weight by bit. So, I don't, it all just depends. I don't know.

You only wait, wait, and see how he looks with the weight on him. You know what I mean? It's just different, isn't it? I've seen some stuff, some photos of you. You're looking jacked as well. I mean, you're always in great shape. But look at this. Look at this.

Look at that. Look at that, look at that, man, everyone. Come, come on. Now, like I said, I'll put working. I mean, my, my, I am. focus and ready and in good spirits and I'm excited to go out and perform, you know. Do you have a chip on your shoulder going into this fight, Rocky? Do you feel like people are starting to sleep on you, to doubt you?

Yeah, 100%. I definitely want to, I think there's not really for the fans. It's more just for the team, you know, go out there and represent the team and just put back where it was and that's all it is for me. Have you seen that Carlos has your picture on his phone, like on his lock screen? Have you seen this? Yeah, a little bit weird, but... Look at this.

What is going on there? Like usually you have a loved one, a child, or a girlfriend. I think it must have been a fan, in it. I think he had that picture before the fight was made. It must have been one of his idols growing up. So it's a fair play to him. He smokes a lot of cigarettes. Do you think that's weird?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, people smoke cigarettes in general. It was weird. So that adds to it, I guess. So I know you called Ian One of the annoying welter rates But that fight that they had back in April

Do you feel like he put out a blueprint As to how to beat Carlos It's his only loss in the UFC It was his only lost for a while Did you look at that fight as you know As you guys were coming to You know to game plan and all that stuff Yeah 100%

Definitely I think that That fight And our fights I think I would approach it as a South Bowl It's different that Ian would approach it As our flux But also he falls on what some of the stuff that he did he did some good work in there um but so did

the other guys you know i mean even though he probably got the victory but it still did some good work in there um so i made my own game plan up with my team and we we'll approach out we see fit can i ask like what like what what do you think ian did really well against carlos um i think mixing it up probably i feel i feel like um when they start and getting the takedowns i think that that that changed the fight for um a few other things but yeah that's one of the one of the things what about this ian thing i mean why why so much animosity there he don't know it's weird it's weird i couldn't tell you it's weird um i don't know i don't know i don't know mate he's a weird guy i i asked him about

the fight a couple of weeks ago and he said that he thinks you're you're going to get whooped you're going to you're going to retire after this that you have no chance yeah it's weird i want to be at the front to watch what she leaves and it's weird it's a it's a weird thing it's all because of just like the brief time you train together it must have been it must have been it must have fucking give us too much like too much work

and if we're this guy you know what I don't get it I don't get where I don't get it but it is what it is in it so win or lose in his fight does that one need to be settled regardless no

no I told him my plan my plan is to get that bout back yeah all right he and biggest achievement right now in the sport is losing to Shafkat and that's that's facts

you know what I mean that's his greatest achievement that he can brag that he didn't get finished or that it leaves the Shafat you know I mean like that doesn't for me and my plans it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't what about Jorge

Jorge trying to make the pitch for you guys at the White House have you seen that I seen it here I see it that's like he just got a slap on the street you know he like is me find horror now is probably i don't know what he does for my career yeah he said that that's something that are but that's got to settle down the street now that's

that's long gone um a professional competition but white house pretty cool no or does that not really really yeah that is sick but that's more like an american thing you know i'm jamaican i know for my head are low to fight the white house sure well i feel like most fighters would say yeah yeah if it happens it's sick because they're one of them one of them one off iconic thing, you know, it's a sick thing to do. But I wouldn't like, so I'm like, I would be excited as like a Kobe. You know, I mean, Kobe would be excited. So it's different. By the way, speaking of Jamaica, family and friends, okay? I know that the weather there has been very troubling. Everyone okay back home? Yeah, weather. The storm. Oh, yes. Storm. Yes, I know. I do. I don't,

yes. No, everyone's good. Thank you. My family, they live in Kingston. which is at the center, so we're not really by the sea as much. They're still without electricity right now. But the house is fine, they're fine, and everyone's fine. But also there's great damage that happen on the outskirts of where the beaches are. And yeah, man, so I'm trying to help and get back. Speaking of Jamaica, did you know that the late-great Jamaican fighter, Mike McCallum, became the first Jamaican world.

boxing champion at Madison Square Garden, October of 1984, defeating Sean Mannion over 15 rounds. Did you know anything about this? He passed away earlier this year, and so here you are perhaps the, I don't know if you're the first since. Maybe there's been some others who were born, but I don't know if you looked into the history of Jamaican fighters at Madison Square Garden, kind of a cool little thing. Yeah, that's sick. I do know that. I'm going to watch a fight tonight. Yes. Yeah, I want to watch a fight. Who did the fight? What do you say? He fight a guy named Sean Manion. He won a 15-round fight. Unfortunately, he passed away earlier this year, but he was the first Jamaican world champion in boxing to fight at Madison Square Garden back in October of

1984. Oh, sick. Yeah, I don't have look at that today. Is this a, is this a, like, a notable thing for you? You mentioned White House, but like Madison Square Garden. Is this something that you always wanted to experience? Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. Like, even living in Jamaica, I know what Madison Square Garden was. You know, I mean, it's an iconic venue. Marlonaliyah's fort there. So on these venues that when you sit back when you're older, this is what you talk about, this where you speak about. I was a sport there, I did this.

I went to here, I did this. I thought this venue is one of these, that every sports athlete would love to compete. And I get opportunities at the night to go out there and remind the world of who I am and also cross out of bucket list. And I mentioned that you were kind of flying under the radar, but we did see you and your brother in August. This is the craziest thing.

Three years to the day, same head kick or very similar. When you witness that and now you're on the other side, right? You're in his corner as opposed to him being in your corner. And then you come to the realization that it was three years to the day over, you know, what was it, August 20th of this past year with the time change and whatnot. How did you react to all of this? Crazy stuff. Yeah, it was crazy.

He was mad, just like God's, God's plan, you know, it's like, it's mad, he's mad. But just to see him, God, and achieve one of his, one of his goals is mad enough, you know what I mean? But like I said, to the day, he's just, you couldn't, you couldn't write it, you know what I mean? And I'm proud of him, having it that he's doing, that he's achieved and what is going to continue to achieve. Do you feel like he's going to start to get his due as well, that people aren't just going to talk about him being your brother, but, you know, one of the best fighters in the world? Yeah, yeah, that'll be my, yeah. one of my things, my drawings to get him to the U.S. But he's doing very well in a better tour, he's happy and better tour.

But for me, I love to get him where in the U.S. with me, you know. PFL, PFL, Beltored, no longer with us. Yeah, yeah. Just in peace. But yeah, it's been great in PFL, and I love to get him on my side, but he's happy there. We need to get him with Tim. What's going on? We need to get him with Timbo over there. Yeah, I'm trying to get him.

Was he playing hard to get or what? Yeah. I think that brother thing, right, he wants to do like, something different from what is big brother's. I feel like, well, he doesn't go with Timson. That's the ticket to get into the UFC. Timmy boy, 100%. Yes. He likes to have a very small, like, tight-knit crew.

He doesn't want to have a hope of it. I personally feel like it would make sense. Can I ask you Brady Morales? Who do you like in that one? Um, I haven't so much of Morales, but from what I've seen, I probably favor of Brady.

So yeah, probably Brady, yeah. Are you surprised that he didn't get a title shot after your fight? Nah, I feel like he needed to probably one more win, so this is probably the one that if he does go out and get a good win,

then that will probably put me in position for a title shot probably. You think he wins this and he fights the winner of Islam versus JDM? Um, I don't know.

EOC is mad in it because Shabkat's still there. Yes. yeah it's all just mad for the division at the moment is wide open there's no like there that's no more contender you know what i mean i think you can perform the best um over the next coming weeks i think let's see where everything everything lies you know so that means like a decision win probably not enough right like you have to do something to yeah i think because right now it's like a tournament isn't it right now it's like three fights on my card then you

got um uh bill allen in another card so i feel like it's like a little tournament stuff World White. So whoever performs the best and stand out the most will probably get the nod. You know what I mean? So let's see. Did you see the young man

this weekend in the main event? Another great 170 ponder Gabriel Bonfim stopping Randy Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was a bit upset with that because if Randy Brown is Jamaican. Yeah.

I was kind of on his side. But yeah, you done well. Fair play, you know. I got a lot of shit. I thought it was a premature stoppage. What did you think? A little bit. It should maybe give him,

for the main event, So I feel I should give it a little bit more leeway. That's right. It was a little bit. He was like a knee dropped and it stopped it. He didn't even get to like drop or grind upon or nothing. And it still looked like he was about to move. But either it is, that's the game, eh.

Let me ask you before I let you go. The whole Tom Aspinall situation with the eye pokes and all that. What did you make of that? You're made Tom kind of getting a raw deal there, I thought. What did you think of how it all played out? Yeah, I think so. I think the fans it was giving him a hard time. but I also feel like it didn't help himself by continued posting about it days after.

You know what I mean? I feel like it was an illegal, I poke. And obviously, if you can't see, you can't see, you know what I mean? So I think we're with a friend who's getting on to him because he kept posting about it and holding his eye and stuff. You can't see, you can't see in it as an athlete. That wouldn't be a good place to be competing when you can't. If you generally can't see, then you can't see.

Right. So you think you shouldn't have put out the video blog? and all that stuff. Is that what you're referring to? Yeah, I think we're probably just like the aftermath of it is what the fans have probably come more talking about because he's kept like talking about it. That's probably what it was, but actual in the actual foul was a foul. I mean, and either it is. And it is. And it's, I can't see, I can't see, I can't see, I can't see Tom Quinn. I mean, he's a, is a elite fighter. So that, that, that wasn't it. But I think it's more just the way ended after where the fans were.

kind of like going against it it's a crazy thing right like one of the best fighters in the world heavyweight champion everyone thinks he's looking for a way out because he got a bloody nose that's the game isn't it that's how that's how it goes you know i mean when it comes back now unless it comes back a smoke zero then he'll be like oh yeah is i mean that's just what the game is right uh how you feeling about ashton villa um feeling good i've been i'm watching a game now for well you're off the bandwagon that's it no no no no no no i've been in camp When I'm back, I'll get back to my football routines. All right, so it's comeback season, begins this Saturday.

What are we thinking? Submission, knockout, what are we thinking? Either submission or knockout. If I go on the ground, I'll twist them up, but I feel like I want to, I got to make a statement. I mean, for me to get back on track to where I left off, and I'm going to make a statement. Looking forward to it. Thank you, Leon. Appreciate it, as always.

Good luck this Saturday. Can't wait to see you back in there. Good man, thank you. There he is. Leon Rocky Edwards, the former UFC Walterweight champion. Massive opportunity for him to get back on track.

And he is right. There is a lot at stake right now in the Walterweight Division and it's moving week. Gabriel with the big win. So he's putting pressure on these guys. Islam JDM going to do their thing. We showed the footage over there of Islam

looking jacked. Islam looking jacked. looking like he's in good shape over there. Usman. Islam. Looking Jack. I wonder how much weight he's going to have to cut. He's looking big.

Looking good. I'm really curious to see how he looks. I love this fight. Jack doesn't do a lot of shit talking, but he's a very fun fighter. I saw Islam yesterday at the Knicks game, hanging out with the best power forward in the league. Carl Anthony Towns, number 32 for New York Knicks.

Yeah, look at that, getting the 322. Getting the 322 jersey. What a great honor. Kat's a big fight fan. He was probably stoked. I don't know if, I think the Knicks are in town. I know they're playing Tuesday, Wednesday. Let's see, let's see.

The Knicks in town. See if the boys are going to be going to the game. Brian Daibble. all fired. I'm going on my Yahoo Sports app, guys. Checking things out. Shout out. Best app for all things, sports. It's my favorite.

Quick, can customize it. Oh, yeah. Can see what's what? Nick's playing Tuesday against Memphis. Orlando Wednesday. Friday, Miami, Monday at Miami. So the question is, oh, you know Coach Mike Brown's going to be in attendance.

They could just go on Sunday. In fact, I actually think it's better. I actually think it's better that that they don't, I prefer them to go like Sunday night to Miami. Stay away. Stay away from Miami. Nothing good happens over there if we're an athlete.

What are we trying to figure out here? Whether or not that's going to be at 3.20? Yeah, because he's a big Knicks fan. Oh, sorry, he's a big fight fan. But Mike Brown's a huge UFC fan. Coach of the Knicks. Maybe the whole team pulls up. Jalen, O.G., Mikhail, Mitch, Deuce,

Hook Portie, Mohamed, Diawara, You know, the whole squad. I think Joe Mazzul is going to be there for Jean-Weley? Mm-hmm. Well, he's living in Boston these days, so I doubt it. Not really welcome around these parts, you know? Yep and a hop, you know. Leon Edwards.

What do you think? Who's the favorite in this fight, by the way? I believe Carlos Prochise is. For real? Yeah. Wow. Yeah, Carlos Procha is minus 200. Yo.

On Rocky Edwards plus 117. What do you think? Flyer? H-Dow. H-Dow. What do you think? I said it not me. Are you surprised by that?

I'm not shocked just because of the last two performances against Balal and obviously Brady back in March. Totally different fighters, though. Yeah, I agree, I agree. And also, if you go back and watch the process against Ian Gary, it wasn't an amazing performance, man. I mean, those first four rounds were struggling. Yeah.

Yeah, it could get interesting. It could get interesting. You're sprinkling? I don't know if I'm going to sprinkle. It feels like a fight that I just don't bet on. Really? Yeah, a little cigarette break, you know. I don't know.

I mean, a huge opportunity for Carlos. All right, all right, Leon H'd L.O. Stamp it. I mean, I feel like that's the most interesting. By the way, who's the favorite in the main event? Islam Bankership minus 250, JDM plus 210. Minus 250. This one doesn't surprise, man.

The disrespect. Yeah, no love for the champ. Okay, JDM, Leon. Who's the favorite in the co-main? Alentina Shipchenko, minus 135. What? Yeah, Zhangwee plus 115. That one, I'm betting.

I could be convinced for it. Okay, that's three. Brady and Morales, I'm going to say he's probably going to be Brady, right? Brady minus 139, Morales plus 119. Yeah, that's even closer than I thought too. You're thinking a little h-d-d-d-out Parlesi? Yeah, and then what about BSD? BSD minus 185, Vanielderiouf, plus 160.

You can make a very strong case for those four right there. Bonicol minus 230 at all Avaea plus 195. Okay, okay, okay, well this is very fun. There's a lot to be excited about. By the way, when we play that clip for chill, can we put the sound on here? so that he hears it we didn't talk about this absolutely okay frankie thank you appreciate that all right uh let me put this in and let me put this in one second just give me a moment

i have to turn this on here oh i just unplugged it it's a whole mess of a situation need to figure out a better way with this that's on me uh it's always a great pleasure to be joined by oh yes yes you're talking to me let me just put this in is it is it showing up on my thing over here what's happening what is happening does it look nice it looks great man clean oh yeah look like you're ready i hear you okay god what can you say what can you say about our our next guest who's joining us in studio for three years we were partners we were co-pilots there was no eye in team we revolutioned in the ufc slash mima era to the worldwide leader he's in town i do believe for 322 comings and goings i mean he's

He's a man who needs no introduction, often imitated, never duplicated. The inimitable one, the one and only, the American gangster. There he is. Yeah, the bad guy in the house. What is up, Ariel? Come on, bring it in. I love my girl. I love it.

How are you, I sincerely miss you, it really is very good to see you. The double undernooks. Are you going to Teddy Atlas as a man? I am, I am. Are you going? I didn't get invited, but I don't think it's, I don't think it was a slide. I think because I went. Last year that Teddy was more of the, I think that he was more of the mind of, you know,

because it's hard to get there from Oregon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's probably easier for you to be a return. I think you stuck around. I'm not offended, but I'm not offended. I'm bothered because I had such a great time. You, me, Leif Schreiber. What was that like?

Did you meet him? Yes, I was sitting right next to you. You were hogging it up. My favorite part was when you whispered to me and said, what's that guy's name? I mean, this is Leavs Schreiber, one of the all-time great Hollywood actors. And I'm a big fight fan too. Yes. Ray Donovan.

Yes. I think you actually called him, Ray. Well, there's another one. Michael Shannon is who I kept. So I kept calling him Michael. I thought it was Michael. I thought it was Michael Shannon. You were actually fan-boying.

Oh, and he was cool, dude. He was a regular guy. He was a regular guy. Good friends with Usik. That's right. So he knew all the boxing stuff, and then he was sharing me with Usik. Well, through being friends with Usik,

so he knows Zelensky. He knows the president of Ukraine. All of a sudden you're talking to this guy. and you're one step for it was just amazing I just really enjoyed it and I told him that I said hey I know I'm probably being a little annoyed but this is a big deal for me to meet you and he was he was cool man

he was cool. They're not all cool you know they have that expression you know don't meet people you like because you leave disappointed and it really is true most of them are real pricks I've only met a few not you Stallone was great okay Robert De Niro might surprise you but he he treated us all so nicely that I feel like I owe him

to tell people oh the movie I did a movie yes yes yes A political, by the way. I mean, De Niro did not have a political opinion at that time. But now he does. Yeah, now that's kind of changed. But how would that even come up on set? It actually came up, fun, you should ask.

So I'm just there. Me and Goldberger are just there, but Stallone and De Niro are talking to each other. Okay. We're listening. What was this movie again? They're like the two older gentlemen. Yeah, what was that called? I forget.

Grudge match. Grudge match. Grudge match. So, Stallone versus De Niro, they ultimately boxed each other. at any rate there was an Academy Award or an Oscar the night before and whoever went up

made it political so Sloan just made the comment to De Nara hey Bob he says he says hey they shouldn't do that there Republican or Democrat but that's not the place and De Niro just he didn't really speak but he nodded his head and agreed that was it now he's saying he's leaving the country

yo he was pissed man he was cutting promos on Trump in the streets and the shutdowns over did it end no but I Apparently, they've made an agreement. Okay. Apparently, the stock market shot through the world. Last time this happened, and it doesn't mean it'll happen this time, but the phenomenon

of the bounces there, last time this happened for perspective, within five days after the government reopened, Bitcoin tripled, went up 300%. And we're seeing it with the stock market right as we speak. It's up 5, 6% just on this news. But I don't think that's signed yet. Are you big Bitcoin guy? I'm not a big Bitcoin guy, but I'm involved enough. to know about Bitcoin.

I got bigger into the alt coins. What's that? Altcoins is anything that isn't Bitcoin. Anything. There's other coins? Ethereum light coin. Okay, okay. I didn't even know this.

Yeah. Any coin not called Bitcoin is called an alt coin. I love when you, like you wake up at like 3.30 in the morning to watch the news, right? Yeah. What time you usually wake up? Well, I, so that's, it's actually 6.30. Six 30 in East Coast is 9.30.

Yeah. So I'm up, but it takes me a little bit to wake up. So I got to get up and I got to get coffee and then I can get back in bed, watch the news and then I can see the market open. But I do that. But my question is, without getting too personal, you've shown me pictures like you're watching in bed.

Yes. Doesn't this wake up your missus? Miss Brittany is an early bird. Oh, she's up as well. She's watching the news with you. And then Priya, she's usually the one that gets our coffee, in fact. And then Priya, our daughter, still sleeps in the room. Tharo's moved into the living room.

What do you mean? What do you mean? Priya has a, well, she calls it a camping spot. She gets out every single night, She sets up a bed in our room. On the floor? Nah, she's actually a little move up from the floor. She's got kind of like a cot that you have.

But she puts it away every day. Every day gets it out, gets out her covers. How come she just wants to be close to mom and dad? She's still scared. She's seven. Okay. So she still gets a little bit scared at night, which I'm into. I used to have both of them in the room.

And he one day moves out, but with no warning. He doesn't say like, hey, I'm kind of getting to the age. One day, he was gone. And it was so disappointed. Every night was fun. Nice, yes. I like it. Do your prayers, you watch you read a book or whatever.

And then one day was just gone. It was just taken from me. I wasn't ready for it. And now he's in the living room. He's in the living room. He has not gone upstairs. Yes, he's on the couch in the living room. What?

Yes. He doesn't have a bedroom? And he falls asleep. This is not a political. He falls asleep to Fox News every single night. Every single night. How old is he? He went his Trump for Halloween.

Oh, nice. Well, in our neighbor, yeah. Did it go over well? Not terribly. Not terribly well. There was only one guy in the whole neighborhood that advertised, but he was, was one of those, he like had the signs in the yard, anyone but Trump and oh dear, Kamala Harris signs in the yard. So that's the first one that Thera went to.

And he's got like the $8 mask from Amazon. But then he's got the tie and all of that. And then he took the time to take Britney's lipstick and put like it was blood on the ear. Oh dear. So when he goes and knocks on the neighbor's door, the neighbor realizes I'm being heckled. He realizes you've seen my signs and you've picking and he loved it. The neighbor was awesome. Oh, he was okay with it. Oh, he complimented it. He said what good. He gave him double candy, like, you know, he steered into it, but it was cool. How did that dinner go? By the way, I believe your father-in-law's here. Yes, Steve.

Hello, sir. How are you? We were talking. I was like, man, Chil's just hanging out to the big city with his father-in-law. We've been having a great time. Just the two of you. Yeah. We came out here. I don't know if I would do that, to be honest. Yeah, well, we, it's, I don't come to New York with how. He turns out he's a New York guy. Okay. He's from a small town just like I am. He lives across the bridge in Vancouver. I'm in Westland. He comes here one time. He's like, I love it. And then he doesn't sleep. He sleeps like three and a half hours a day. So it's the only place where at four in the

morning he can go get a coffee and actually, you know, walk around and watch the sun come up. So I told him, I said, I'll never go to New York with how you. In fact, Glenn, Glenn Jacobs invited him. Glenn left ESPN and still got Steve a ticket. Wow. I don't know if Glenn's going to the event and he got, he made sure Steve was handled. True story. You always come with either your mom, your, your father-in-law, you never fly solo. I'm in high demand. Okay. And I don't ever want there to be a rumor. Okay. I don't ever. want Brittany to have to live with the room so yes I try to never leave town without her her dad or my mom is that true I try to wow just just on the mere fact that I want her to I just

want her to mean like hide demand as in like people want a piece no there's girls out there yeah yeah yeah no no no but I just say like there's weird things that happen there's weird things that happen I just think it's safe I think it's safer to have a witness I just do I love call me call me whatever you want but yeah it's great to have you in here chale it is great to be I love these I love the Daniel got a singlet on by the way yeah we have one of you somewhere all right so this is dusty roads what about this this is old school round five do you remember round five yeah so i bought that you know you can't buy your own statue or you're you're a fool so i but i did i bought my own and i've got it

this one the round five yeah it's in my office it's sitting on the other side i mean i got it it came in the mail i sat it on the other side of the room i think someday my kids might want this and months go by and i'm finally working on my computer one day and i look across the room. Not only is it not me, it's Dominic Cruz, but I thought it was me. I had this thing for months and thought that is how much we looked. Yes, yes, yes. I remember. I have that one, I have the, we got the British Bulldogs over here. Remember them? What? I love the British. What about that story? No, I got to tell you story. So you got Dusty Rose. Okay, yes, dusty. Okay, but there's another guy that kind of looks like Dusty, kind of like I look like Dominic, called the

playboy buddy Rose. Yes, you happen to remember him. Of course, from Morgan. Okay. Thank you very much. So Matt Linlin starts a show. That's a great caller. Yeah. He'd love to be on this. Do you think he knows you're on right now? He knows I was coming on. Did he take the time to do the math that it's right now that I don't know? Can we say who it is? Yes, sure. Say it. Douglas Crosby. Why did I say? Why did you know? I didn't know if you want to go to this. Famous. Famous judge. Infamous. Infamous. Infamous will work. He could live with infamous. Is he still judging? He judged two nights ago. Steve and I went to it. It was a fight out on Long Island. Okay. Yeah, he did, he did a small show out there.

He did not get assigned to the UFC. And, of course, all judges would like to. He did not get a sign, but he is licensed if that answered the question. They're working. So, Playboy Buddy Rose. Okay, store that away. Portland, Oregon. Matt Lindlin. Matt's doing a show called Sport Fight. Remember. So Matt decides he's going to bring in Playboy Buddy Rose, who's going to do nothing more

than get in the ring and cut an interview, whatever. So Playboy demands $1,500. for this gig, and by the way, needs it in advance. So Linley gives him a check for $1,500. After the event, there was a line, and it was really honor system. You waited in a line, you got to the front, there was one bookkeeper, she's like, what do we owe you?

And then she just write you check. Honorable, but nobody lies. Playboy got back in the line and went, and he got another $1,500. Oh, my God. So, Matt, instead of just chonking it up to $15, Matt sues him, and they end up in small claims court. Now, Playboy doesn't deny

any of these facts. He agrees to the facts, But he tells the judge, this is the point of me telling the whole story. He tells the judge, he signed the check. I got this fair and square. And the judge is like, no, you ripped him off. But fair and square. He tried to argue that. Judge rules against him for 1,500.

Leland says, how do I get the money? And the judge says, oh, there's no way. And then the judge goes even further. And he tells Matt, he goes, it's not a crime in America to not pay your bills. And he brings the gavel down and they all get up a walk out. And he never got it. No, he never got it. Legend.

A real worker. Now he died. Rest his soul, but he died. He was most famous. He did an angle with Piper, and it was, whoever wins gets the pink Cadillac.

The other guy won. Was this an Oregon wrestling? Yeah. And they kayfaved it. Wow. I think Playboys won the pink Cadillac. No, Piper had it,

so then Playboy beat him and Playboy drove around Portland and the pink Cadillac for a week. But that was the old school days. That's the days I miss, by the way. Oh, my God. Those are the territories.

Yeah. Did you know Piper? I'm not as dead set on tradition as Josh Barnett, but I'm close. I agree with Josh. You don't need to let us out on all these secrets, guys. Okay, with the Unreal and all that, how the sausage is made.

Yeah. Did you know Piper? Yes, I did. His son, Colt Toom. That's right. Was a teammate at Team Quest. Did a number of fights and fought at the Roseland, and Piper would come down and support him.

Wow. But we thought it was a huge deal, but they didn't understand why we thought it was a big deal. Like, Colts was like, why don't want to talk to my dad? You know, he didn't understand. So, yeah, we got some interviews with him. Piper got in the ring and did some stuff. Piper was cool. Piper gave me a piece of advice.

Please, please. I never forgot it because it turned out to be true. And everybody hated me. And I was going for the, I'm going to work this bad guy gimmick. And that's a hard. That's easy to come on and tell you, oh, I didn't mind the booze. It's hard to be hated. It's hard.

And he told me, he said, Chale, you got to stick with it. And don't ever change. He said, but there will be a day that they will love me to the fans. They will love you for the exact same things they hate you for. He said there's a misunderstanding with the crowd in wrestling that we do these turns. He said it's actually the crowd that turns. We, as performers, largely, continue the same gimmick. We just get a different reaction.

And that is psychologically not what I thought I was witnessing. I did think there was good guys and bad guys. And I realize it's not an absolute statement. But that was what he said to me. And then it did happen to me. People that hated me for the same stuff would all of a sudden they, they became cool to be a fan of yours. Yeah, when I'm telling them, I hate it, when I hate you, I have a whole country, blah, blah, blah, then all of a sudden, I never, I never came off the stick, but, but they, they did come on board. It was one thing that I appreciate it.

You remember when that happened? Not fully. Not fully. but but I do I do remember when it happened and even still to this day like I just I just I just lost or misunderstanding but allegedly I lost a Craig Jones in the rapidly match but I had people telling me like like Joseph Morales sends me a text and he's like

coach that was incredible defense I never thought to to do that to get out of the hold which is to go uncautious so but I mean you see well they're now in on the stick I'm claiming that I'm undefeiting and now they're claiming like Joseph is telling me like that was great coach he let you go like that was I've never seen that before I don't know if I told that story very well but no no no he had a nice win hey why is nobody talking about Islam versus Jack are you feeling that in the city this is a little bit low I want to get well I want to get to that in a moment but while we're on the topic of your influence I do I'm dying to see you buddy it's a friendly level I've missed you I miss you too we had some great times the charcutory back at the events imagine you live imagine you lived in this area we could do this every yeah would you ever consider moving no I would never leave west I'm about to run for government No, I'm doing the opposite of moving.

Did you have that dinner, by the way? I did. I met Chris Dudley. How to go? How to go? Have you officially made your decision? No. Well, I'm hoping to this way.

It's a simple matter of do I get brought over or not. I made a deal with Dana and told her, hey, if if you find out. If I'm part of this, I will go. But in exchange, then I want your help to win the. Sure. When do you find out? Well, I just assume that it might be this week or soon. I mean, they're kicking off in January.

I don't think that Paramount. has set a date, have they? No, no. There's a rumor that Ilya is going to headline whether that's right or not. But I don't know that that date, but the bottom line is, if we're going to do something,

I would feel like they need to put their team together pretty quick. Would you rather do? Well, I am for sure going to run for governor, for sure. But I didn't know it was going to be this cycle. I did think that I was going to run in the next cycle. Now, that from a political standpoint is almost a death nail of an answer. I mean, you know, you've got to give an answer there or it's nothing more important to this. I've got a calling

from God and I've got like, this is the thing but I kind of get annoyed when guys do that. It's like, you can tell the truth. If you're looking to pitch in and help out, but you need timing to be right for you and your family, I don't think there's anything shameful about saying that. Why open yourself up to this? Why? Yeah, why? I agree. Yeah, why? When I was talking with Ray Donovan, he said that to me.

He did? I brought it up to him Okay. Meaning, hey, down the road, I'm going to need a donation. Like, I was letting him know. Okay. I'm letting you know now. Wow. At that. At that same dinner? Yeah. If you give me your phone number, there's going to be a day and it's going to cost you money. So I let him know. And he said that too. He said, hey, you got a great life. He said, why would you do that? And I've never had the answer to that. I've always thought that was the field I was going to go into.

As young as I can remember, on the first day of school, they would have us write down what we're going to be when we grew up. And I would always write, President of the United States. And then at some point, I realized I didn't want to go to D.C., and I just started writing down governor. So I've never known there was going to be a day that I was not going to be in that battle. I've been planning for this from day one. And your wife's okay with this? Because now it opens up the whole family. You know, it's a little bit of a problem with her.

And then when Charlie Kirk got shot, that really weighed on her. And she will back me. And I, of course, will take her opinion as well. But no, to tell you that she's just okay with it, no, this keeps her up at night. She's very concerned about our family and things in Oregon. and she just thinks the way that I would go about it would be more of the Charlie could the more very aggressive

here's here's our stance and we're proud of it and we're not going to say sorry and she thinks that that could open you up to danger which is a very real concern historically Oregon Democrat or very very very okay in my lifetime and I'm I tell people I'm 50 I'm not but I'm right there in my lifetime there has been one Republican winner yeah this would be a huge deal

it'd be a very big deal and it's hard to do it's a very hard state to flip And then I got like a personal problem, which is the gal that I would have to beat is named Tina Kotech. I like her. That's a problem. That's a problem. Like these things get ugly. I've never met her, Ariel.

But you want to talk about somebody that goes in and does the job she was elected to do? You want to talk about somebody that puts in 50, 60 hours a week and doesn't complain? Let me tell you something real fast. She is the first, and I believe she's the only openly lesbian governor in America. Do you know the attention she could get for that? Do you know how she could be on CNN every night she has never used that she has never used that politically she has never brought her wife out she keeps her business she goes in and does her job and I think it's very honorable I happen to

disagree with what she does but that will make the fight tough okay I there I respect her no no I mean you don't hear that often no no it's a problem but how do you then you were asking me about Chris Dudley and somehow I got on Tina but but but but Chris is is very interesting too he was in my living room My uncle Mel Counts was a big star in the NBA before Chris. And I thought Chris did a very great job. Chris is pro-choice. That's very tough for any Republican.

But in a state like Oregon where you're going to need to win some blue votes, it is also a very common opinion that that might be the way to reach across the aisle. So I liked Chris Dudley, I guess is my answer. I'm jumping in directions, but I liked him. We're going all over the place. I was trying to get. Josh Hokit, you feel? familiar with this young man?

Of course. Okay, okay, I want to play this for you. Please. He's actually coming on after you, but I want to get your reaction. I only heard about it. I haven't seen it. You haven't seen it. No, and you posted something.

You posted something. And I clicked it, but I didn't, I didn't get to hear the interview. All right, here it is. I watched him finish. You go. Josh wins Contender Series. Here we go. First official win in the UFC this Saturday.

He gets on the microphone and says this. All right, here we go. On the talk of the town, the USA sound, the most profound. The boy. Toy, the lady's joy, the master of disaster, the true speaking, pastors, pastor. The biggest arm, the most charm, the one that's going to do all the harm. I'm more than meets the eye. I'm even sweeter than your grandma's homemade apple pie.

And last I'll leave you with this. Homemade. I already stumped two Brazilians, and I'm looking for a third. Whoa. Walter Walker You absolutely suck Okay That's a hard call out right there

But yo, that is you Yeah, he did fantastic There's multiple references So what'd you think? And I of course I got inspired by other people But okay, if he was paying me Some homage there

I, Steve and I Were out doing something Whatever, oh we read the fight That Douglas was Okay, it's all tying together So Steve and I are getting updates And Oban Elliott starts Start reaching hold of me

And he goes, hey man If you say this guy's in the club I'm reaching out to him to let him No. So I'm like, all right, let me call Colby. We got this little bad guy group going on. So anyway, the bottom line was everybody gave him the thumbs up, man. I'm on board with this guy. Do you know him? Personally? I followed his career because he was a wrestler at Fresno State who All-American while playing a full season of football. He wasn't even supposed to wrestle. Not only did he wrestle, he all-American. And it wasn't because he was good. It's because he was tough.

I remember watching him. He fought so hard. And he outworked those other. guys and I just happened to remember that then he did a smaller fight I want to say they put it on fight pass and he cut a kind of a similar promo he brought some politics into he had the flag which is just gonna piss people off and I thought from an entertainment standpoint I thought he really went for it I think he did a good job there hey what about the homemade pie it doesn't have to be homemade yeah from an artistic standpoint he could have just said sweeter than your grandma's pot why's it gonna be a homemade pie that's brilliant no that's you like delivery what I'm

saying you know we we sit here like we I say I like we you and break it down, but after a fight to remember all of that, you just won. That's not easy. No. No stumbling. Right. Didn't miss a line. Everything flowed and rhymed. And Paul can screw him at any point. At any point, Paul can pull that mic away. So first off,

you got the hand on Paul letting him know stay with me. Second, you've got to get the scarf on, you've got to get the glasses on, you've got to know where the angle is. And then you've got to go for you start calling out Brazil. I just beat up two Brazilians and another one and you suck. Those are dangerous lines. I mean, they just are.

Walker is a good fighter, by the way. I hope he does get that. The problem is it's at the apex. There's three people there. There's no pop. You know, you do your call out of Anderson in Houston sold out Toyota Center. Sure. There's a different reaction.

Sure. But he still went for it. He went for it. And what did you tweet at? You said, I mess with it. I fuck with it. That's what the kids say, yeah. But then I said three people, you know, three people.

It doesn't land the same, you know? But he's going for it. He gets the same credit. We're talking about him. He'll be on the show today, in large part, due to that. There you go. There you go. Can he beat Walter Volcker? Well, see, that's the thing, and that's the thing that I think I admire the most, is he is in

over his head. Yeah. But I respect, if you're going to call a guy out and you're going to go pick on a guy, I think it's honorable to pick on a guy that's better. And he can raise himself up. That's one thing about him. I saw some of his other fights before he got in the UFC, and I saw his Contender Series in here.

One thing about it is he is growing rapidly. Remember when Otisanya did that? Izzy comes on Contender Series and was kind of. I think it was even a split decision and take him down and hold him there. And that was like the belief. And then in his next fight, they took him down, but he got up. And then in his next fight, he's in there with Derek Brunson at the garden, and he doesn't get taken down at all.

And then his next fight becomes the number one contender and then becomes a champion of the world. I mean, like if anybody had grown between fights, but I'm seeing a little about, I'm seeing a little about this gentleman right here. How does that make you feel internally? Like, there's a guy paying homage to you. Yeah, it made me feel wonderful. Yes. It's an amazing feeling.

Yes. When I did that to some guy, by the way, it didn't all make them feel good. Like Scott Hall came after me and, you know, rest of soul, but said that I should be 10%. And Billy Graham I got a hold of, and that was through Brian McMahon put us in contact. But Billy was in a senior living, and apparently he was upset until we talked, and then he took it as a compliment. There was a guy called Lynn Denton, the grappler. Okay. And he was probably the only guy that got it and was like, yeah, take it, of course.

I took from someone you take for someone's going to steal it from you. And I think that should be more of the attitude. Because to your point, it's homage. It's not ripping someone off. It's not like you're, if you were an active writer right now and he's stealing your gimmick while you're active, okay, now he's, this is, this is. Goldberg Austin, very different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a tip of the guy. Who's a part of this bad guy club? Or with those terrible road warriors ripped off demolition? What a terrible thing. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, accent smash. Who's part of the bad guy?

The best tag team ever? Club. O'Bon, Elliot. Yeah. Colby Covington. Yeah. And he's in. Oh, yeah.

He's in. Wow. There was a vote. Wow. There was a vote. Does he know this? Yeah. Obong and let him know.

Okay. Oh, they're pals. Yeah. O'Brien and Kobe, they get along? Oh, yeah. I don't know that they've ever met. Okay. But they're forced.

They're forced to get along. Yes. Like, hey, Colby, just so you know, you got this guy's back. He's in. Yeah, he's in. He's in the main event. Colby's great. Is Colby going to fight again?

Well, that's the thing. The guy in the main event, Gabrielle Bonfim, called him out. And I said it's the biggest waste of a call out of all time. I went in a main event, you call it Kobe Covington. Not because I think Kobe's afraid of him. He ain't fighting Gabriel Bonfim, right? So it's a waste. He's still a star.

Colby can get on Fox News right now. I mean, when you have guys like that, you know, you remember what Rhonda did, but they couldn't do anything with Rhonda, but main eventer because she could get on Ellen's couch. Like, you just have to use that. Colby's got massive power. I don't know what he wants to do. Even on a friendly level when I don't know. You even ask them? Yes, I have.

And he is. not retired from fighting, but I'm just sharing like longer term if he has political aspirations. I wonder that and I think that perhaps that he does. You think so? Yeah, I think perhaps he does. There was something going on. He and I had an opportunity.

There was an event, I don't know a lot about it, but it ultimately was John Jones versus Nate Diaz. Do you remember that? They were, they were against each other? In Thailand for a Russian But for a Russian, they don't know in Thailand, but it was Russian. They asked you. Colby and I had that opportunity, and I'm trying to think if Colby was the head coach

and it was going to be against Mosvodal, or if I was the coach against Anderson, and they were going to bring in Mazvadol, whatever it was, Colby stopped me very, and it was very good pay, and he stopped me early. He said, hey, with what's going on with Russia and Ukraine, I'm out. Stay out of it. Yeah, okay, okay. And so then you didn't do it. So, no, but I took that as a clue.

I took this a clue. Oh, Colby's, he's, you know, for him to not. want to be involved just purely we're going to film in time just because it was the russians and what's going on with with with with that war just just made me think okay he's uh he he sees a bigger picture than most okay so okay so then you brought up earlier at 322 you don't feel buzz no i don't nothing no and i don't jdm it's a great car here's something i learned from you and you said it about kabbi but you were talking about kabb and you said he's the world's most famous muslim athlete yes i think in his absence that probably got passed on to islam or at least

right there. Two degree, yep. So perhaps they're marketing it in a, because it's sold out, it's absolutely packed business. They got a huge gate waiting for almost $20 million that they're going to get ready to announce, but I'm just sharing with you the places I go, no, no, it's not. Why do you think that is? It's not the buzz. Well, one of my guesses is because maybe they did go to a different crowd than a different marketing than I personally feel. Secondly, where are we at

with ESPN at the helm but Paramount coming in in all fairness third can you expand on that momentarily do you think it's a bit lame duck in that ESPN isn't as incentivized

to promote because we're approaching the end of the deal is that what you're referring to? I haven't actually experienced or seen that where I can tell you hey we can't no I mean

we list out on that it's almost over but perhaps because I do feel it's a little bit small yeah and only two on pay per view by the way but then meanwhile they've got this great big gate the gate record used to be 17.4 million

Connor versus Alvarez's first time UFC played New York I don't know for sure that they're going to beat that but they're expecting to be able to announce a 20 million which is a big deal because Espinoza ran his mouth to Dana one time about 20 million and so now Dana just wants $20 million to stick to Espinoza who I believe is even out of the business but Dana doesn't forget things yeah but Dana wants but now he wants 20

Espinosa said something about you can't get $20 million gates and Dana's like I'm getting $20 million gates anyway What do you think of this gambling stuff? That's the hottest thing. Okay, you want to talk about that? In the May world right now. Oh, hey, I got to tell you something.

Whoa, okay. It's like a million different topics. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, but well, I wrote you off for two hours. This is important. So I had made a piece the other day on my own YouTube channel about Dracar Close.

And Dracar had made a statement and I only read it. And he said like, you know, hey, for FBI, if you want to pay me a reward, I'll tell you a bunch of guys that have been interested in fixing fights. So I made a piece on that. And he got a hold of me and goes, hey, whoa, hey, that was a joke. I was completely joking. The guy that printed it knew I was joking, which is why he chose to print it instead of play. I'm joking. I don't know anything about any gambling. And he said, I said, well, do you want me to do a correction piece?

And he goes, well, you don't have to. He goes, but, you know, this is pretty serious with the FBI and Dana and I just don't want Dana thinking that I'm going to making light of this. I'm not making light of it. I should have said it, but I was kidding. It's like, hey, I'm going to let Ariel know that. Okay. So there's my message. Probably something, just came in right now. Probably something you shouldn't joke about, though. Stay away from that one. Yeah, but you know, there are, yes, for sure, but you can see where you could, where that lesson could be. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Somebody did that. That's like a famous book that you have to read in high school where this guy goes, he's arguing with another guy, he goes, I'm going to kill you. And then later that night,

that guy gets killed. And so they convict this. guy, they go, well, but all these witnesses, and he said, I was going to kill. He's like, no, that's an extra, I'm mad at you. I'm mad at you. So what do you make of this? So I'm just saying, like, yes, maybe it's something you shouldn't joke about, but let's, let's show some grace to you. Okay, all right. Delgarian, the betting, the line moves.

I talked to Ian Parker. Okay. Who knows these numbers better than I do. Sure. And my dad used to bet through a bookie, it was straight up. I'm taking the Patriots or I'm taking the Saints, and then there was points, three and a half points, and that was it. Now you live in this world of prop bets.

And if you are looking to scam things, the prop bet sure do make it easy to do. I mean, they make it very easy to hide. Now, of course, I'm bringing in the Chauncey Billups, and I'm bringing in some of the NBA stuff where, you know, who wins the tip-off and who scored first. I was going to say, how do you know Chauncey Billups? But now I remember. 21 miles.

I've actually never met the man, but I know 20 people that know. They're good friends with the man. And by the way, that thing's starting to change just a little bit, too. I think we might need to have a little more open eye, let him tell his side. But that thing is starting to change. It's now come out that he attended a card game. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's very different than when they said they were bringing people in, and he was doing this for years, and he's working for the mob.

Now it turns out that he attended a card game. That's very different than what we were initially told. At any rate. It's not good. I think that it's very serious. They did a hatchet job on Dana the other day. They tried to bring in his own local Nevada. did an actual hatchet where they started talking about, you know,

that he plays in the casinos. And as a matter of fact, he's got a debt to a casino. Oh, this was the Hollywood reporter, I think. Yeah, but he plays on. None of this is a secret. Come on. He tells everybody, and whatever is going on, I think that I'll just share with you.

I don't know anything about it, and even by rumor, Ariel. I've never been around guys that are joking or talking or whispering about fixing a fight. Never. You never heard this. No, have you? Well, I've talked to a lot of people now. And several of them have told me that people have come up to them, whether it's via phone, via text DM, or even at the gym,

and said, hey, I got 100K, would you be interested in doing X, Y, and Z? Now, everyone that I've talked to, it's now approached like 10 or so people, because now that I'm talking about it, people are reaching out, and they have all said I would never do that. But who are the ones that would consider? I will say the Derek Minner one from three years ago seemed very suspect, and this one seemed very suspect. The guy who had never lost via stoppage,

is a pretty big favorite and all of a sudden a slew of bets come in him to lose via submission in the first round and guess what he loses via submission in the first round.

Did you watch the fight? Yeah, I remember it too. Did you think it was a little bit funky? Yeah, but it's something that's something to come out where his knee was blown out or something? No, that was the one from three years ago. I'm talking about the one from last week.

All right. Last week he goes for the takedown but he doesn't actually follow through. He just stays on his knees. And the choke and the choke. Yeah, yeah. Yes. The weird thing about it is

a disciple of James Krause. James was tied to the story from three years ago, banished from the sport, never to be heard from again. FBI still investigating. How brutal. All on speculation because they never followed through on that. They just ruined his name. Yeah, well, I hope

they call it good. Whether he did it or not, I mean, he's paid. I hope they, listen, you guys do not have to follow through and take him to court. You ruined that man. His gym is gone. His friends are gone. He has lost everything. You're good. You pound a flesh, you got it.

But for the UFC, this is a big deal, right? The integrity of the sport. And they're playing very above board. Oh, I have no doubt. There was some heat, Ariel, that Dana had taken because the FBI had told him like two hours before this went down, which in theory would give Dana the opportunity to cancel the fight. And he did not cancel it, and he took some heat for that,

and I thought that that was very unfair. Well, okay, so why do you think that's unfair? Because you've got contracts with athletes. And you don't know that anything's wrong. You know that there's something amiss by whoever is looking at these things. You're getting a phone call from somebody very reputable. So now you go to your athlete. And Dana has a history of 30 years that he backs his athlete.

So he went to the athlete and said, hey, are you in trouble? Do you owe somebody money? Are you being shaken down? Are you planning to fix this fight? He asked him. The guy said, absolutely not. I mean, kick this guy's ass. Dana trusted his guy.

And Dana's got a history of that. And then to come out and question Dana when he's the one that made it public, I thought that was a little underhanded. How would you handle that situation? Would you pull the fight? With no other information than a phone call that something looks astray?

It's from a third party, you know, betting integrity service. Eddie Hearn was faced with this same predicament in June of 2024 and they pulled the fight. He did. Yeah. Now, I would assume different numbers, though, right? Boxing, it always seems to be very different numbers.

Yeah. Here's the thing. Someone told me, because I brought this up, someone told me that they think that they actually follow through with it to almost like weed out because if you pull the fight and the fight doesn't play out, you don't get

to actually see it play out. Now you don't know if there's an actual issue. You let it play out. It's a bit of a black eye on the event, on the sport, whatever, but now you know, okay, now we've zeroed in on something. You almost let the crime play out so to speak and that was the theory

because I will admit, I didn't knock them for it, but I did openly question, if you are getting this information and if it's that blatant, why not just pull the fight? Pay the other dude for his troubles the opponent who had nothing to do with it and just pull the fight. I don't ultimately know, I don't envy them. This is a tough spot.

That's right. And I'm the same way. Very easy to throw MMA fights, by the way. Way easier than boxing in my opinion. Yes. Get submitted. Yes. Like, who's to check? And I'd be curious, like on Eddie Hearns' fight if that was a main event or not. I don't know about that.

But let's just say it was a multi-million dollar fight. He's still got to pay them. He wants to poll it and he says because he got this information. I mean, to your point, if it hadn't happened, it hadn't happened. I mean, I kind of understand the UFC's perspective of they got the news. They went and asked the guy. They took the guy at his word. He did a training camp. He's their guy. He said no. So you don't think this is some big epidemic that is going to... Well, I think in the future they probably will cancel the fight. I think that you hit it on

the head of saying, hey, this was a learning experience. But no one knew at the time how to handle that. We're still debated it now. I think in the future he's probably going to have to pull the fights. Can I tell you something? I'm sorry to cut you off. But if you do much gaming, if you go up to Caesars, you go up to MGA, you've got the real sports book, the real guys. If I go up there with $10,000, I have to get special approval. They got to come out. Now, they'll let me make the bet.

I can make $100,000 bet, but not without approval and paperwork. Online, it used to be a $500 limit. Let's just say, and that's 2001, let's say it's quadrupled. We have a $2,000 limit. So these people that are coming in with stories that somebody's placing an online wager of a quarter million dollars, I challenge that. I do not believe that any sports book is taking that kind of action. And just so you want to understand, on an entire undercard of a UFC, you might have a quarter million dollars bet. Every way you can do it, every profit head in the entire undercard.

Now they're saying that one fight got a quarter million from some Playboy offshore, I have a hard time believing that. I'd like to know who it was and I'd like to know what sports book took the action. That doesn't seem like a trick question? No, no, no, but you're saying if you're the UFC, you're not sweating right now. You're not thinking that this is a virus

plaguing our company. That's what I'm wondering about. Well, yeah, probably. I think that you take that one series. When you're a sport, I mean, don't forget you're in Las Vegas which survives on game. And don't forget the history of the UFC, it was bought by gamblers.

One of the biggest sponsors, yes, you would take that very serious. you've got the FBI calling yes you would take that extremely serious and then to your part your point you'd probably go to a third party think how are we gonna monitor this you put the word out to anyone listening which is a scare tactic and that makes people stop yeah I think the USC's probably doing everything right and I think they're they're definitely gonna nip this in the bud because once people start to like not trust the promotion this happened to boxing right when people are

like ah this fight was fixed or these judges are in on it Once people start to lose trust in the promotion and the sport, it's a very slippery slope, in my opinion. You have to nip this in the bud. You have to clean house. You have to ban anyone who's associated. You have to come out and say this is like zero tolerance whatsoever. 100%.

And there's a little bit of a history of that. Dana had brought somebody over. And the story has been told both ways. And frankly, I've never known. Paul Heyman and Jim Ross is how the story was always told. But he brought him over and they were going to help sit in the room when the story, they would do fighter interviews. Really?

Yeah, they used to sit in a room and then they would ask you questions to a camera and then they would edit that later and then play that to the house before the guys walked out. It was BJ pin in a room. And the way this story, the Jim Ross, Paul Heyman,

was telling him what to say so we could piece it together with this other story. So BJ's looking at the camera and he's cutting his promo and it made BJ look pretty bad. When they put it out, BJ was the bad guy,

the other wife was a good guy, that was pro wrestling. BJ didn't like that it made him look bad. And he came and told the whole war, Those weren't even my words. They had a guy sitting in the room that used to be with WWE. And I didn't even think those things as a way of covering for it. And Dana so badly did not ever want confusion that we could possibly be looking like

W that he fired him and never went back to that. And no athlete was ever again told what to say in a pre-fight interview. And I'm just sharing, now you're talking about gaming that could actually make it look the integrity. That's the bounds that Dana went to just for him. interview. So yes, of course they're taking this very seriously, and of course they will nip this in the bud. Isn't it funny? Now he's

under the same umbrella as WW. It is very funny. Which I always kind of feel like he doesn't feel 100% comfortable with. He tries to distance himself from him. There's even been a little bit of, like when this very first happened, they all thought that they had to be buddies. And WWE's like, yeah, we'll be bringing fighters over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no, we're not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not bringing any year. We're not sending you any guy. You do your thing and we'll do our thing. Well, you sell tickets and we'll sell tickets. Dana did not play along with that at all. He did not ever want there to be any confusion that what I am putting on is a straightforward competition as opposed to a participation. I saw on your YouTube channel,

did you say, though, like you just found out this week that Valentina is fighting Zhang on this car? How's that possible? Yeah, how's that possible? I think that's my most anticipated fight on the card. Is that right? Yeah. It's definitely an interesting one.

Why do you think that is? It was announced like three months ago. I've got to tell you, I would love to meet the bullet. I think she has... You've never met her? No, I think she is so pretty. I think she is so talented. They say that she speaks seven languages.

She's a world champion in unarmed combat, but by reputation, she's a master of armed combat. Her mother's a badass. Her sister's a... I mean, I like everything about this gal. But, Errol, it doesn't change the fact. She has a record that is unlikely to ever be broken in my lifetime. Nobody has fought for more world championships in co-main events.

And I don't mean close. She's like quadrupled the next closest thing. There has never been somebody defending or contesting a world title in a non-main event more than her. And now all of a sudden we got the situation where Wei Lee leaves a division, which is supposedly the forbidden fruit of the UFC. And when it does happen, something special happens, whether that's Ilya Tepore, where that's Islam Machal chip. We've got, Wei did the same thing. She leaves a division in Shambal to the part that Rojas Jr. and Dern's got to go in. and battle that.

And so it's one of these situations where... And now I find out that it's happened. I find out that this is going down this week, and it comes with a caveat that if it doesn't work out for Wei Lee, she's just going to go back to 115 and challenge Dern. And I'm looking around going, I don't think this is my fault. I read all the press clip. I do everything right.

I think it's you girls. Somebody has screwed up here, and I don't take responsibility. The fact that the bullet and Wei Lee in what should be a super fight is six days away, I'm covering the event on a professional level, and I just, there's not a billboard in town, there's not a commercial in town. I had no champion versus champion, at least in theory, and I just found out, that's not my fault, that's theirs, and she should be sitting down with her management team and having a real hard talk, and she should have done this six years ago. How am I a world champion setting records, fighting in co-main events? Somebody should have to

give her an answer to that question. Somebody here is to blame, and I truly don't think it's me. I tried to get both on the show before the fight. And they just weren't interested? They're not on the show. The bullet's very sweet, though, isn't she? No, I love them both. They're great.

I've never met her, but she seems very sweet. I'm surprised you never met her. You never did, like, post show or sorry at an event. No. I always feel like you had a bit of a feud with her, though. Yeah. Based on nothing. She never did anything to me. I just got irritated.

I'm saying, hey, girl, you got a step forward, and I think she's a heel. That's the other thing. But plays a face? Yes, playing the face. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is very cute and maybe it works, but it's like Valentina, I think you're a heel. She goes and does the ultimate fighter. She doesn't let her athletes drink water.

That's a heel move. I don't think that she's a sweet girl. I don't think she's covered in tattoos and learn how to bash people's faces in in cages with her elbows and knees because she's nice. I think she's got a dark side. And I think that it's the reason that she's a co-man event. I can't prove it. I don't know it to be true. But whatever she's doing, it's not working.

and she should sit down with her trainers and her coaches. I mean, they say she's second generation and her mom does it. Her little sisters in the business. And nobody realized we're fighting for world titles, jerking curtains for a guy from Australia and a dude from the caucus region, I would never open a show for a dude from Australia just so you understand. Ever. Why not? Why not? That's not a real country.

They don't fight over there. They don't contest in the Olympic Games. They don't have any medals in judo, sombo, freestyle wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling, boxing. That's not a combat-driven country. That's not real. You can't get a scholarship and go to a college for any combat form in Australia. It's not real. I'm going to jerk a curtain for a dude whose name's so complex we call him by his initials.

That's never happening. And Arrow, I'm not the world champion. She is. She's about to take on the biggest star out of charge. China, they say, in a co-main spot to an Australian and a dude from the caucus region, on my watch, never happening. Do you think she should lean in and be like full heel? She should say what I'm saying to you right now.

She should come out and cut a promo. I had a fight on an under, I mean, all I can do is personalize things, right? I can't make it about me, but it's all I can do. I'm going to fight. You know, commune's rank number two in the world. I'm ranked number nine in the world. We're the second fight of the night. We're fighting at three o'clock.

and I come on your show and I lose my mind. And I said there is no other two guys that are ranked in the top 10 on the entire card, aside from the main event, we're both ranked in the top 10 jerking the curtain for our parents at 3 o'clock that nobody's going to watch, and it's all because of him. He comes from this culture where it's about honor and it's not respectful to come on and talk some trash. We will beat each other up in a steel cage. We do not deserve to be the second fight of the night. I think in reality we were the third fight of the night.

understand my point. And it did change things. And they never put me in that spot again. Turning point. Yeah, I never fought on anything that wasn't pay-per-view or main card again, but you had to ask for it. You might remember Dreckis duplecy. Yeah. He's supposed to be an undercard a couple of December's ago. They're going to debut Bo Nicol, and they're going to put Bo Neckle on the main card. And Dracus said, over my dead body. He's never done this before. I've done this five times successfully. I'll fight him. I don't care who the opponent is, but he's not debuting over me. and they switched it. Now, Bo, if you remember, he ended up getting hurt and came off the card,

but they switched it, and they put Dracus on the main card, then they put him in a co-main event, and then he was world champion three fights later, all because he spoke up for himself. How is the bullet allowing this to happen? The co-main at MSG is not so bad. I don't disagree, but seven years of, yes, and you make a fair point for this one, but seven years, and she's main-avitted, I think, three times in seven, all title fights.

That girl is so wildly successful. She's the most successful girl not named Amanda Nunes. She's defended a belt more times than Amanda Nunez. She has more title fights than Amanda and Rhonda put together. That might surprise you. She has quadrupled the next closest thing for co-main events. Other fun thing about that fight against Ushend, non-televised, if you recall. That was before every fight on the card was televised.

You remember the face prelims and the fight pass? No, we run none of those things. Never happened. That was the turning point. Yeah, fight never happened. But I had to speak up for myself. Jerichas had to speak up for himself. I don't know how the bullet goes along and doesn't think it's a big deal.

How do you feel about Bo being on the prelims now? They said he was on the main car, then back to the prelims. First time I think he's on the prelims. Yeah, and I wonder if there was any relation. I wonder if they got heat for putting him on the main car, because they were getting heat for a while for the way they were carrying Bo. Who cares, right? Hey, he's a stud.

RDR's a stud. I mean, that just shows you how difficult these divisions are. You know, that wasn't quite RDR against Allen. I mean, these things happen. And, yeah, who cares, to your point. But Bo Nicol is still stylistically the hardest match for Chimaya. I don't think Chimai would disagree with that. He's the hard. Stylistically, that would probably be his most difficult match on the whole roster.

I still think they fight on the White House card? No, Chameh and Bo? Yeah, you told me. I did? Yes. When I asked you, who would you book on the White House card? You said, Shemaiah. Oh, who would I book is very different than who do I think they're going on?

Oh, okay. No, no, boy, that's an interesting one. No, I do not think. Who would you book right now? Now we're getting closer, six months away, seven months away. Who would I book versus who, and I'm going to answer from a different perspective. Who do I believe would be booked? Right now, what they are secretly working towards is Islam, Uncle Chev, and Ilya

think so. For the White House. Yes. No American. And I don't know why people keep thinking there would be. I mean, just to use Noche, for example, Noce two years ago, at Spear, the biggest gate in history 25 million dollar only time the company's ever done it uh Sean O'Malley from Arizona versus Mara Di Washa Levelli from not here yeah Georgia but but I'm just

saying I don't quite know where people got this idea what about John just like openly begging now for a spot and you got to be real careful if you do want to bill it American versus somebody you got to be real careful because you can't control that script right it's it's not wrong okay so meaning you don't want America to lose at the White House that would be weird if you bill it that right right right right I'm going to bill it is the birthday and the blah, blah, blah, and then we're going to, you know, the British flag is going to come up. It's not Lugar slamming Yolkina on the SS.

And by the way, if we do have to have an American and we have to have a win, yeah, we got to call Albuquerque. There's only one guy we can call if we're trying to count on. Do you think it's weird that he's openly begging like this? I don't think that it's weird. I appreciate it to a degree. He is a guy that has never really understood what we're doing here, and he's not a guy that you could ever sit down and explain it to

because he's had such success. He thinks he's got it figured out. out. It's just one of those situations. You want to know what does deserve a review, Ariel. Every Tuesday at 9 a.m., they come out with rankings. John Jones is not ranked anywhere in the top 15, and I would just like to know why. And I have my own hypothesis. I do not think the secret rankings committee that gets together and submit these names have all collectively, with how

conspiring, decided John Jones is no longer a top 15 fighter. I don't think they're submitting his name. And I don't know what that looks like. whoever from the UFC submits to the rankings committee and then it comes back to them ranked and I can't prove I think the UFC is I don't think the rankings committee

is currently getting John's name and if he is in the pool and he is under contract I think that that requires an explanation as to why so are you saying that he's the victim here yes I'm saying that I don't think

anybody reasonable believes that John Jones because he retired from the sport for eight days is no longer a top 15 badass in an organization However, but I bring this to, because you're talking about booking him at the White House. You're talking about booking him for a world title fight. How do you put a guy in a world title fight that's not ranked in the top 15? I mean, it's John Joel.

I fully understand that. But all the same, how's he not ranked in the top 15? I guess they took him out because he retired and didn't put him back in? That's right. Well, the only way, allegedly, from what we told. Now, you got to understand, we fiercely adhere to the rules we make up as we go. But the only thing that we have been told is if you are under contract with the UFC and you are not eligible for rankings, it's because you have an USADA issue.

I realize it's no longer Osada. But he might have an Usada issue because when you retire, he would have to reenter the pool. So it doesn't necessarily scream to he's got a secret test like Connor had. It could just be, we haven't been giving me clarification. But if you leave and you reenter and you have a past fail, you're supposed to do 180 days. And it would not matter if you only left for eight days and it was an accident. You were drunk when you made the comment.

It wouldn't matter. You would still have to serve 180 days. but nobody's given us an actual answer to that. And I do think that that's wrong. If we're going to show an integrity to the rankings committee, which we don't respect and we don't show an integrity to, but if we're going to do that, somebody owes us an explanation as to why John Jones is not in the top 50s.

I don't even know if there's human beings actually making these, you know, rankings. I don't even know who's doing it. Does he fight in 2026, true or false? Well, he's talking so much smack about Tom. He doesn't have the money to not. He doesn't have the money to walk away. he doesn't have any choice I mean that that's why do he walk away to begin with he was offered 30 million dollars he asked for 30 yeah and he got that yeah no and

now he's apologizing yeah no I don't know he's he's he miscalculated that one yeah he did that thing with Nate and they got 300 grand and it took 30 days and so all a sudden he's like well if I can make 300 grand and 30 days and I could do this every 30 sure sure sure I mean sometimes explaining very basic things to to it can be tough but will he fight again yes I believe so and I think there's some real legs. Look, if you're the UFC, the last thing you want to do is empower a dude that you can't count on. And by the way, it ties back into my theory to whoever's keeping him out of the rankings. Like, there's something of foot there. And apparently I'm not,

I'm not quite getting your attention on that. So I'll move on. But just to move on from that, if the one thing you don't want to do is to empower John Jones, you find yourself in a very unique situation, which is to put him with Pierre. Now, now there is no title. He can't turn the gun on you like he just did. He can't hold you hostage. Like, like he just did. That's a proposition. I don't think that Dana ever thought he'd be presented with. I think Dana always assumed I got a main event and I got a world title him. Now all of a sudden Pierre comes along. And that is a very hard thing to look away from. That is a compelling match. Joe Rogan called that the biggest match in the history of humanity. I don't know that it would

go that far. I don't agree with that. It's a big fight. It's a big match. No, it's a huge fight. Yeah. And I say just do it. Absolutely. Because now he's not holding up the division to your point. so just do it's fun have prayer move up have Yuri you know fight for the belt against

Albert and it fix it Aspinall I didn't understand why Dana was so mad about the Aspinall

because now you get My only theory is he had other plans for Aspinall and was maybe going to try to do Aspinol versus John and this delayed

it and screwed it up That was perhaps Because now the rematch is going to be gigantic Yeah Well it'll be a lot bigger Yeah I mean that's smallest

Paperview of the year But it wasn't really Their fault They held it Afternoon card I was going to say They held it at 10 am Yeah, yeah.

What about Rondo? That's not their fault, but it is the smallest. Rhonda going after Joe? No, well, that's not a bad thing. I mean, that's not a bad thing that Rhonda's speaking up. He's coming back, right? No. No, she is.

Oh, heavens, no. No, she is. Yes. Oh, no. This is it. No, no. I think there's talks of her versus Gina. There could be talks.

Ronna will not fight. You don't think so. No. Why? Well, first off, you know, Rhonda got retired. Rhonda's contract was so beautiful and called for so much money, you had to main inventor. And she was not one of the best fighters in the world. When we call her the world champion, it's because we had no idea.

We had no idea who should beware, how to do that. Like, it was still getting formulated. If you'll recall, she was announced at a press conference as a world champion. And they handed her to the belt. I mean, not for nothing. Imagine how bad that story could have gone. If she would have lost her first fight, she would actually be a world. champion to never win a fight, which, by the way, happens to be what Tom Aspinall is.

Right. I mean, that's a tough one. You've got to figure that out. You've got to straighten out. I'm the undisputed champion of the world who never won an undisputed championship. I mean, you see where that becomes a little bit of a problem. So all I'm saying for Rhonda is when she got ran out of the sport, she was still a top seven, a top eight.

She could still beat a lot of girls, which for most athletes would be a lifelong dream, but you're paying her so much money. You've got to put her in main events. With main events, you've got to put in a world title fights, and she could not go with the top girl she couldn't even go five minutes with them so to act like you're going to bring her back even in a scrub fight nobody's looking to see that and the ufc does not have a history of that the ufc is such a history of doing fights for absolutely no reason than other doing them that they're not even sure they're going to do pierre versus john jones which the whole world wants to see they're just

looking at and going look what story does that tell and dana white only puts on people don't realize this about him i was told this by reed harris who at one point was at least in theory a competitor and Reid said the thing with Dana and the reason none of us can touch him, every fight he has has a significance. And it's true. Dana does not ever put a fight on just that. Every fight has to at least have the ability to tell a story for another fight. It doesn't matter if it's the first car, it's got at least have the ability to get you into something else.

And no, the idea of Rhonda coming back for a night of coming back, no. And by the way, and I don't mean to hate on Ron. I'm just trying to be a little more serious here. It is very important to the people that tell the story that Rhonda Rousey is the reason women's fighting is here and that she's the biggest star in the sports history. That's very important to the people that tell the story. There's just nothing to support it. She doesn't have a merchandise record. She doesn't have a pay-per-view record. She's not even the top 10. She doesn't have a live gate record. She's not even the top 10. She never did. It's not like she had these records and I

came along and took them or Connor came around and took them. She never had them. There is no truth to the story of Rhonda the Star. It's an important way, and I realize our leadership insist it's told that way but it's not true you think that's why she's so bitter towards the sport I think that a little better she'll hear somebody like like me come out and go hey I thought we were friends we are friends but I still have a job to do which is tell the story the way that it happened you were the most likely person to get on Ellen's couch we could have really used you the moment the light dimmed on you you left us you could have still gone to Ellen's couch and

put over the next card I'm no longer a fighter in the UFC I used to make millions of I used to be the biggest drawyer. I used to have a lot of fun. I'm none of those things anymore. But here I am telling you about Islam. Here I am telling you about Jack. I'm trying in my own way to pitch in. You're not paying me to be here. I love the sport. The sport did something for me. I owe, I feel, at least. She never even came back in May came came to make came. She never even came and sat in the front row. She had nothing to do with us. And then she wonders why people are going good riddance to you. You said it to us. And secondly, it's not real. The only thing that's real is the money and the miles. How long were you away from your family?

And when it was all done, how much money did you bring home to your family? Anything else is fake. I remember hanging my head when my career was over and I needed a couple of weeks and I, you know, who am I now? And my identity was lost. And I remember Brittany had no time for this. So this isn't real. You're going to your phone and looking at your Twitter, then you're having your day affected. This is right here is real.

We were in the car. She goes, these two kids and me, this is real. And I'm just sharing like, that's all. hard thing for some people i don't say this to put down ronda but but those those stories of ronda aren't true she was never the best fighter in the world that's not true you don't believe that best fighter best fighter period or best women's fighter well i just met in her division of yeah of course i didn't mean overall i mean at 135 at one point she was you think so well who was better than her well she did get over on misha yeah michia lexas davis yeah very fantastic yeah

Liz Liz actually is a very sure almost got submitted could you have imagined i think that Liz, it was still forming at that time. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I don't want to, I don't want to put all of them down. But Holly Home was here at that same time. No, no. In retrospect, we all got the Holly Home fight wrong. There you go.

Holly Home is a Hall of Fame boxer. A man that was around. The bullet probably could have moved up. I'm just sharing with you. There's enough to have a conversation, but what about this? As though this was the best of an era based on what we saw in those pickings is a little extreme. I got to be honest. When this Jake Paul, Francis, and Gano's story came out, I really loved it.

I loved it. And he said, didn't quite make sense. He said it doesn't make sense about. What part did you not like? You didn't like the idea that you were going to beat a guy? You didn't like the idea that you were going to walk out in front of thousands of people. You didn't like the, I think it was on Netflix, which is a big honor. You didn't like the millions of dollars he was offered.

What part specifically of that story did you not like? I'm very curious about that. And more power to Francis, by the way, like if he lives by a code, I guess I respect it. I thought his code was made up and he was a whore like the rest of us that wanted the money. I guess there's a little bit more depth to him. But could you imagine how irritating that would be to be his manager or to be his trainer who you're counting on 10%? You got a chance to make $10 million, which means your cut is going to be a million dollars. And all he needs to do is make that walk and go beat up this little guy that used to be a Disney character.

And he says, no, it doesn't make sense. And you've got to sit at home and go, why do you think I'm in here with you every day? Why do you think I believe it? Why do you think I treat you like a son? Do you think it's because you really are my? It's not. It's about the money. And I don't ever want to tell you that, but it's a business.

It's about the money. And you just cost me a million dollars. Yeah, I love that fight, man. I really did. I love it too. Hey, what about the balls that take for Jake? Short notice. Would you imagine?

Yes. Could you imagine? I'm way more interested in that fight than Tank Davis. Picture being in the ring. And you look over and it's Francis. With gloves. on 65 pounds bigger than you you can't grab him like whatever hope

that you have whether you could succeed at grabbing him or not in MMA you at least have the hope you don't even have that hope you are going to be bludgeoned in just a moment by this mountain this DNA beautiful monster of a man from the chale son in school is this not the best thing to happen to Jake

he essentially called out the top dog the biggest dog in the MMA yard and he said no in the playground rules if two guys get called to fight, and one guy doesn't show. Yes, I think that it's a very big thing for Jake, and I hope he gets his credit for it. And what a different fight.

And we were talking about short notice. Tank Davis, the world's smallest guy you've ever fought. To the world's biggest guy you've ever fought. And he knew he doesn't think he can beat Frank. He was willing to take the ass whipping to follow the golden rule, which is the show goes on. I promised a performance to these people. I promised a paycheck to my team.

I'm going to do whatever it takes to follow through with that and I'll deal with the consequences. Jake deserves a lot of credit for that. He won't get it, but he deserves it. I hope Francis changes his mind. Can he? Didn't they cancel the event? No, no, but for December, for December.

Oh, okay. That's what they're trying to do now. They're trying to do a date in December. How bad you want to work with a guy that said? I mean, I hear you, you know, the money would talk, but how bad you? I fully agree. I fully agree. It's actually a very interesting match up.

But that's a tough attitude, man. I call you and offer you millions of, and you got to understand. He's playing hard to get. I can redo this in December. That's true. But if I don't pull this date off in November, I'm out about $8 million in marketing. Like not for nothing. Could you help me?

Just please, please works for me. Some guy in the industry calls me, even if it's in a, hey, please, I need that. You got it. We'll put our thing on. Maybe it's negotiation. Maybe he just didn't like the offer. It could be, but I mean, I would think just because of the money that they're out and the short notice. And, you know, typically in our industry, when you make calls like that, particularly with Dana White. He understands. He understands the gun's about to get pointed in his face,

and he opens the checkbook. You know, it's part of the game. And I think that Jake Paul is known for doing things right. Everyone has talked about how generous and straight-up MVP is. And that's before you even have the Netflix angle. But yes, maybe Francis is doing that. I'm not mad at Francis about it. I was just confused. Chris and Anderson. Did you have FOMO when you saw that? Yeah, I thought that was kind of cool. I reached out to Chris. I had that information early. I wanted to make a YouTube video when I just said, hey man, I got it. got this, but is it a secret? Can you confirm it?

Is it a secret? He said, I can't confirm it, but I think it's a secret. Don't do anything with it. But yeah, I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, those things are silly to a degree, but they're also pretty cool. Hey, have we ever seen somebody that likes to compete more than Anderson Silver or Chris Weidman? 50 years old.

Oh, yeah, and Chris. Yeah, yeah. Chris was just doing some video with like a family member on the beach. I don't know if you happen to see that. Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. He was exhausted. He was pushing. Like, he was actually digging deep and showing grit to win a.

beach wrestling match at 40 years old like i mean there's few people that are competitors like chris wideman this is so much fun you've had it with me no no no we always get to this point we're eventually you don't know how to get rid of i'm just saying i'm just sort of you easing it all in you know would you agree with me at all the we we we came right off this and maybe it's just me but the the city is not quite lit up oh yeah yeah for for and do you think my hypothesis against perhaps the the in-between with the espion perhaps that's a fair hypothesis I think by the time the event happens, it's going to be sold out. As you said, Gait, I think Islam and Jack don't talk a lot of smack, so there's no friction there.

I think it's an amazing card, but if you actually look at the players, this is like a real hardcore fans card. Islam Jack, don't talk smack. Jean Valentina don't talk smack. Leon, Carlos, they don't really talk smack. Sean and Morales, don't talk smack. BSD Benile Darius. That's an amazing five pack of fights. There's not one smack talker there.

One guy who's going to puff his chest out, right? There's not a single one. Like Brady Morales is an unbelievable fight. I'm kind of surprised they booked Brady against Morales. You know what I mean? I thought he was going to get a title shot. Brady is so good, dude. So good, but Morales is so good.

I agree. I agree. Brady is, the first time I ever saw Brady, this little guy is walking out to do the job against Craig Jones. He ends up winning. It was a grappling match, and, you know, he was a smaller guy, and he was representing Hinsos J. You don't really know much about him and you end up winning that match. I've followed Sean Brady ever since, you know.

Who do you like in that one, by the way? I like Brady. You like Brady? I like Brady for the world title. Like to become champion? Like he would beat Islam if you want? I'm not, I mean, I don't know for sure that he would win it, but yes, he could be the world champion. Yes.

On the right day, Sean Brady can beat every man alive, yes. What about Carlos and Leon? Yeah, that's interesting. Just had Leon here, kind of a make or break for him, right? Leon can beat everybody, but he doesn't know it. That's the problem with Leon. Leon doesn't know how good he is. Leon lost the belt to Blahol because he doubted himself.

Leon was ready to do the job for Kamar the night that the kick was hurt around the world He ended up digging he would he had changed the math he was no longer trying to win that fight It was it was a moral bit he was just gonna get through all five rounds fair enough and then that kick comes But it's like Leon you can do that to everyone he doesn't know how good he is I think that he grew up And maybe he didn't have parental support I think maybe his parents didn't like tell him how great he was Because he really doesn't know he is a very you see that day where he took the basketball and he chuck said it goes right it goes I don't know if that's real or not

is that real I thought it was I am I a fool I thought it was nice it was nice though I think LeBron did the same thing You thought that was real? I thought it was real I thought it was real but all I'm saying is he's a winner This guy's a winner he's a nice human being he's got to grow up after his dad gets murdered he could end up in prison

and nobody would question it turns out to be a gentleman and he's a sweet guy he doesn't know how good he is so you asked me how he's going to do in that fight I don't know I know he's the better fighter I know he's been the best fighter in the company for six or seven years but he doesn't know it

So you want to talk to this young guy Josh or no Or is that awkward for you? I want you to tell him hi No, just tell him hi Okay You know make sure he accepted the invitation We welcomed him into the club But now I haven't heard from him

So you know you got to talk to you got to go Hey you know I hear you're going to life Is a big invitation Don't screw this up The uncle jail bail of protection Which is a very real thing in this business Well it's great to see you You tell him I said hi

I am good I mean I was going to offer you But I think you'd rather I do it Well, now it got weird. Can you hear me say this? I don't know if he's here yet. Tell him, I said hello. Guys, is he there? I want to sit and enjoy his interview.

I don't want to make it. I don't want to make it. I don't want to embarrass me. You made me look like it. But I want to say goodbye to you properly. You don't mean it. I want to make, I want to say goodbye to Steve. Get it up.

Wait, can we take a picture? Fine. Okay, but we're going to do it on the air. Let's do it on the air. All right. We're doing it on the air. Does Steve come back here? Steve, do you mind taking a picture?

Did he come over here, though? No, no, no, we're going to do it in front. All right, we go right. We're doing it on the air, guys. But you don't tell Josh, like, you know, I'm proud of him. Yeah, okay, you'll tell him. That you're proud of him. Yeah, don't tell him.

He needs to work on the promo skills a little bit. I'm walking out so I can listen to you, the greatest. Imitation. My new guy. Greatest form of flattery. Okay, okay, here we go. Okay, okay, here we go. Who are you going to be called?

Yeah, yeah, happy birthday. Happy birthday, sir. Look at this, Steve, how's it going. Okay, here we go. Okay, here we go, here and take a picture. That's Connor, by the way. What's the problem? Yeah, we know it to tell them.

Connor's generally fairly supportive of on the channel on Twitter. He loves you. Fairly. Watch early. Watch early. Good to see you. Great. What about the Polaroid?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't care about the Polaroid. There we go. Why, does he talk smack about you on Twitter? No, no, no. You see them? He's been awesome. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I love it. Thanks, guys. All right. All right, we've had it with you. We've had it with you. We've had it with you. Yeah, yeah.

You left me hanging. Oh, I did? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, this is going to cost you a little something. Please, it's in the microphone. Well, I don't want you when I'm running for office and then you write me back and go, no, I don't do that. You asked me for something recently and I came through for you. Yeah, but I'm going to ask you for money.

Donation? It's going to be small. We're a little tight on cash these days. It's going to cost you $1,000. Okay, no, with pleasure, with pleasure. For both. What does both mean? If I win the primary, which it's another.

Put me down for two. No, me down for two. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Go get a slice. Go get a hot dog at the corner here. there he is chel p and steve thank you so much guys okay there they are i tried to make it happen um chill p here always a great pleasure when uh he joins us my whole uh situation do you were you able

to hear us frank when we were taking the pictures and everything we heard enough okay we heard enough always great oh it's great okay let's not waste any time let's see if he uh if he happened to hear him we're talking to josh hokid who is victorious on saturday and the talk of the m mhm a world for the promo that he cut afterwards, kind enough to join us on this Monday afternoon. Hello, Josh. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Is your monitor big enough for the biggest arm in the heavyweight division?

I'm not sure. Actually, I actually think it's not big enough. Well, you need to get a bigger one then. Yes, thank you. Wow. It's great to talk to you, my friend. Did you hear Chale putting you over over there? Yeah, that means a lot, man.

He's a, man, he's a legend. And so that means a lot coming from him. Have you ever met him? I accept. Okay, you accept. Have you been formally invited? He told us there's a group chat, the bad guys, Oban Elliott, Colby Covington himself, and they want you in the group chat.

Have you been actually invited into the group chat? I haven't gotten nothing on my end yet, but yes, I'm happy to be part of that. Okay, well, what a great honor for you. By the way, like, to do that, you know, some people, the haters would say like, oh, you know, he's reciting this and that. To me, I'm blown away. by having the composure after a fight and the memory to recite all that, no stumbling. You didn't, you didn't, you didn't like miss any words.

Everything rhymed. Everything flowed perfectly. I thought that was supremely impressive. I appreciate it. Yeah, everyone wants to say that it was a chat, GBT, and all this other stuff. But I'm like, you try to get in the cage and then remember all that after, you know. Yeah. So this to me is very smart because now people are talking about you. when did this whole idea come about to have a persona to break through there's a lot of guys who sort of blend in right there's a lot of vanilla fighters out there there's a lot of fighters who just don't stick out when did it occur to you that you have to do something like this in order to get notice yeah i think you just got to evolve with the day and age where there's so much media going on now and i know how i feel when i when i tune in and i watch some of these heavyweights on tv and it's like it's just unexciting there's no backstory

and so I'm just going off of the feel you know and whether you you love me or hate me you know at least you're going to feel something when you see me on TV and that's the whole thought process behind all that so earlier we played the promo for Chale and he reacted to it in real time

he said he hadn't quite seen the whole thing just yet I want to play you the reaction and get your thoughts on the reaction all right yeah here it is first official win in the UFC this Saturday he gets on the microphone and says this all right here we go I'm the talk of the town, the USA sound, the most profound, the boy toy, the lady's joy, the master, the true speaking, pastor's pastor, the biggest arm, the most charm, the one that's going to do all the harm, I'm more than meets the eye, I'm even sweeter than your grandma's homemade apple pot. And last I'll leave you with this.

Homemade. I already stomped two Brazilians, and I'm looking for a third. Whoa. Volta Walker. You absolutely suck. Okay. That's a hard call out right there. But, yo, that is you.

Yeah, he did fantastic. There's multiple references. So what do you think? And I, of course, I got inspired by other people. But, okay, if he was paying me some homage there. Hey, what about the homemade pie? It doesn't have to be homemade. From an artistic standpoint, he could have just said sweeter than your grandma's pie.

Why's it going to be a homemade pie? That's brilliant. No, that's brilliant, though. There's a delivery. What about the delivery? That's what I'm saying. What about that, man? He put you over.

He loved it. Yes, man. That means so much, man. That's awesome. Just seeing that reaction. Yeah, I'm sure he got inspiration from, you know, maybe WF guys and whatever. But obviously, he's inspired me. So, you know, to see that he's accepted that and approved.

That means a lot. I mean, how was on a scale to 1 to 10, what do you think? It was pretty consistent. throughout the, it was a little lengthy, I could say that, but it was pretty consistent throughout the whole, it kept you engaged, right? I thought it was fantastic. My only beef with it was that it was in front of six people at the apex. Imagine doing that in front of a sold-out crowd at MSG, at T-Mobile.

A character like you cannot be at the Apex. I'm sorry, that is a waste of your talents. Yeah, I mean, hopefully this message gets to Dana and all the UFC people, man, put me into T-Mobile. I'm for like if you just kept me at the team mobile the rest of my career I'm happy with I grew up watching some UFC shows over there so yeah hopefully that's the last time and I'm in the apex but it is what it is were you a pro wrestling fan growing up you know what I want to say when I was six years old my my dad broke the news oh yeah and and he told me that it wasn't real

and I just couldn't get that out of my mind and I couldn't I couldn't keep watching it knowing that they were doing these flips and they were hitting each other and then I started looking a little bit more closely and I was like, dang dead you are right and so I couldn't I couldn't tune in anymore after that Were you a big Chal P fan growing up?

Yeah, yeah, I was I mean because he's an all-American wrestler and I, you know, wrestling is such a a small community. And so, yeah, I like to back all the instiably wrestlers and watch their career. And so obviously, I was watching his. And, you know, I just thought he was a genius for, you know, his promoting skills. So I'm just taking a little page out of his book. You know, it's interesting because he was putting you over. He knew about your, your football career, that you had a great football career at Fresno State, cup of coffee in the NFL, but also

we're an All-American wrestler at the same time. We were looking at some of the, of your footage is this you this looks nothing like you is this actually me ariel that's me i don't i mean that's you on top that's 50 that's 50 pounds ago but that's me i mean a lot of people they don't they don't realize that i mean just two weeks before i'm weighing 230 and in that video i am 197 and so i only have two three weeks to lose all that weight and then two months then to get on that podium. And so, I mean, I'm not just the everyday All-American wrestling. I all-American in two months while I was playing football year-round. And so I don't think people really understand the full background of that. No, that is incredibly impressive. You even went toe-to-toe

with the great Boe-Nickel, right? Look at you with Boe Nickel over there. Yeah, don't play that. Okay. No, it's just a screen grab. Just a screen grab. Hey, we could wrestle now when I'm nice and healthy and I'm eating all the food. That's skinny me. That's 197. Right now, I'm winning 240, you know, and so I'm fat and happy. Man, going from NCAA football, Division I, 1 football to that, you don't hear of a lot of athletes doing that. Are there a lot of guys who have, I'm not aware of it.

Look at you. Yeah, I mean, Lorenzo Neal, he went to Fresno State and he played football. and wrestled as well. And he all-American. And that really inspired me to follow in his footsteps, you know, to play football and wrestle. And I've always had the mentality of, like, I'm not like everybody else. Like, I always wanted to be different. And I grew up wrestling and playing football.

And I just felt like, why stop in college? I know there's a lot of coaches that tell you not to do it. It's not smart. But, I mean, they just don't know what a human is fully capable of. you know maybe maybe the average person could only play one sport but some people they want to they're made from from a different cloth and i really believe that i am when did you when did you decide that football all right that dream is over and now i'm going to focus on this one what was the point where you made that decision yeah after i was uh i mean i this is a true story by the way

it's a shoot hit me well I was in the NFL, and there's a lot of liberal propaganda going on there. You walk into these stadiums, and they got the LGBT flag, and Black Lives Matter, and all. And that's all fine in Danny. But when they start forcing you to comply with it, then you've got to wear these LGBT shirts and all this. You got to put something on your helmet. And, you know, you got these football players taking a knee, and that didn't sit right with me. And so I would give the football players a little choice of words, and they didn't like it.

And so we would handle business in the locker room. I would fight these guys either in the locker room or at practice. And I mean, I didn't lose in the locker room. And so I figured maybe if this football thing doesn't work out, or if I get sick and tired of it, which I did, maybe I should beat people up for some money. and this is how it came about. Why did that bother you so much? I don't know.

I just have great pride in America and the flag. Maybe that's just how I was raised. And so you felt like this was being forced upon you and that's what turned you off from football? Yeah, they wanted you to get the vaccine and it's like they didn't just respect, you know, the people's background. They didn't respect the morals that the person might have.

And I don't like that. They took some of our freedom away. And I wasn't okay with that. So when you came out on Contender Series and said some of these things, you got a lot of heat for it. People are like, oh, we just got over Colby, and now we have to deal with this guy, with this character. How do you respond to that? You know, people who say that this type of rhetoric, there's no place for it in MMA. We don't want to hear about this stuff.

I mean, it's my truth. And I mean, I can't make everybody happy. And if I feel that type of way, I mean, it is what it is. but I think it's all part of the process and love me, hate me, you're going to have to pay me maybe that'll give them a reason to tune in Okay, so you don't mind being the bad guy, so to speak

No, I'm in the club I thought you remember I'm in the club now, I'm the bad guy, go on What about people who say that I saw some people call you racist? What about that? I mean, I'm half white, half Mexican and my wife's half black, my father-in-law's black, so it's like, I'm a horrible racist if I am one, you know, so it's not true, obviously. Does that upset you when you hear people saying that

about you or read people saying that about you reacting that way to what you're trying to do? No, honestly, like I said, you can't make everybody happy. They're all going to have their opinions, but, you know, as long as you stay true to yourself and the people around you that actually do know you, that's all that matters. And what's your issue with Brazilians? I don't know. They just keep feeding me these guys. And you know what?

The stars are aligning perfectly. It's funny how, I mean, Colby got his career going or his career was really taking off with the Brazilians. Chell made a great career fighting the Brazilians. And now they gave me two Brazilians. And it is what it is. I'm not asking for him, but I'll keep beating them up if they keep signing the contract. So Walter, right after your post-fight interview, he responded on Twitter, but I think he has since deleted some of the tweets.

This is what he wrote. First things first, he wrote one question, what shoe size do you wear, implying, you know, that he's going to take your foot the heel hooks? Josh Hokit, I want you next. I'm going to kick your head like a soccer ball and force you to respect Brazil and our culture, you piece of shit. And then again, you piece of shit, I'll kick your head and force you to respect our culture. Take my name out of your mouth. the orders, you trash. And I think some of these

have been deleted. You even called attention to this saying he deleted his post. MFer got scared. Is that true? He deleted those? And what do you make of that? I mean, this guy, I'm surprised he can't even say that type of stuff. I mean, this guy's the ugliest guy on the UFC roster.

He looks like Sloth from the Goonies, and he's over here talking trash to me. But, I mean, maybe his PR person was made him take him down. I was like, this guy's probably on another level than all the guys he's been beaten. And it's probably not very smart that he's engaging on this. Because next thing you know, we're going to have a contract in front of us. And I'm going to sign that contract.

And he's going to have to make that decision, you know, that because he signs the contract with me. He's not going to be able to leg lock me. You know, my grappling's on a different level than the guys he's face and on a different level than him, matter of fact. he's like an old school pro wrestling guy you know exactly what he's going for and he pulls it off every time you don't think he gets that on you doesn't even attempt to get it

doesn't even get an opportunity to lock it in he's probably going to attempt it but in reality it's like I'm not a lot of these guys they want to like try to fight the hand or whatever like as soon as you go for the leg I'm out of there and I'm a lot faster

than these guys as well I don't move like a a slow fat heavyweight like some of these guys that he's beating he's going to go from my ankle and I'm going to be out of there how confident are you that that's your next fight well yeah I don't know about that because I just found out he broke his leg and so that's going to take some time to heal and I'm looking to get back in there even next month but I saw that they might have a January card at team mobile and I love to get on that so perhaps Garrett Armfield next.

Garrett Armfield. Is that the guy on X that was tweeting at me? Yeah, he said when chat GPT writes your post-fight speech. Yeah, exactly. That's why I said the chat. Like, no one knows who this guy is, you know? And so it's like, maybe he needs to look on chat GBT or something and memorize some stuff. I mean, these guys, she's probably one loss away from being cut, so it's like I don't

even paying mine to these people. I noticed someone in the post-fight press conference that you had asked you about Chale being, excuse me, not Chale, D.C. being critical of your wrestling. And then you said, oh, he's, you know, he's, he's, he's, what was the town that he's from? You're from Clovis. Yeah, he's right. He coaches at Gilroy. Gilroy, Gilroy.

I thought he was throwing shade on me, but, I mean, I talked to him. Because I saw you guys take a picture together. I thought you're, boy, you trained with him, right? There you are. With him, yes, yes. And he gave me a lot of insightful, you know, just tips about being the smaller, you know, wrestler, so to speak, in this heavyweight division. And he gave me a lot of good knowledge, so no ill will there, no ill feelings. I thought maybe it's because you're a John Jones guy now.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not choosing a side there. Okay. I'm not choosing. All right. I'm not choosing to decide. I'm friends with both of them There you are So do you actively train with John?

I did, yeah, yeah Did, not anymore? I don't know if he's training right now Okay, I don't know if he's training right now, so But you're at Jackson Wink, right? Yeah, and he has a... He has his own thing, right? Yeah, he has his own thing, he rents his own building

and, you know, he gathers a bunch of guys when he's training. And so what is it like actually being in the room with John Jones? yeah it's just cool to see like how these high level guys they they operate and it's when he goes into practice it's no waste in movements it's it's all methodical um he's he's a strategist on top of being a freak athlete like it's that's a scary combo that's interesting because he he's banging the drum about fighting on this white house card but unless he's having like secret training sessions you're saying he's not training right now maybe he is

I don't know I think he he's probably training but when it's a real training camp then he brings in a lot of other fighters to help him out

and maybe his training is more low key okay right now what about Gable have you trained with him yeah we trained a little bit we trained a little bit

how was that it's good it's good you don't see you don't find partners like big guys that are able to control themselves to have a proper body movement and so when we trained it was real solid work real respectful on both ends and I thought we got solid work in to see how things are turning out for you

now you have this momentum you get the UFC contract you know contender series and now getting a win in the UFC two three years ago when you're kind of coming to the end of your NFL run. Could you have predicted things would turn for you in this exciting way so soon? Or did you think it would take five, six years before you're fighting at the big leagues? Yeah, I just knew how the heavyweight division is. And you only need like four or five fights to, you know, make an impact in the heavyweight division. And so I kind of was aware of that, especially with my background.

I knew if I got a few wins, then, you know, the UFC would, you know, give me a call and give me a chance, and that's what happened. What did you think of the whole Tom Aspinall-sur-Ga-Gun situation, speaking of the heavyweight division and the Krem de la Crem? What do you think of all of that, how it went down? Yeah, it was interesting. And it's hard to speak on these eyepokes because you're not the one really getting eye-poked and it's easy for me to just say he should continue on.

but yeah, when there's that much on the line and your game paid that much money, it's an interesting decision, you know, it seemed like he got poked and immediately he said he couldn't see, and it almost felt like he didn't give himself a chance, and he kind of already accepted the circumstance. And I'm not saying he took the coward way out, but it's just a decision he's going to have to live with, and if he's okay with it, then it is what it is I felt like it just made the heavyweight division look bad okay um you know it's interesting you started your career in bellator right and this was um right around and then you were

on one of those cards post pfl merger you would seem to be the kind of guy that pfl would want in their heavyweight division it's a little thin right now why didn't you stick around did they try to keep you yeah they sent me a contract that was it was less money than the previous contract and they were they kind of rubbed me the wrong way um it took two years to even get two fights and and so even after leaving that i was able to get um four fights pretty quickly and and uh lFA and so uh yeah i kind of already knew what where i wanted to go because no one wakes up and and says that they they want to be pfl champion or bellator you're not dreaming of that as a kid if anything you

it's the UFC champion. And so that's how I was looking at it. And I just had that gut feeling that I needed to, you know, try to make it to the UFC. Five fights in 2025. And now here you are. A fixture people are talking about you. So I would say the gamble paid off.

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I had the gut feeling. And usually it always steers me in the right direction. throughout my life. And so, you know, just talking to the people around me, they all felt the same way, you know, just take the chance. Obviously, you're not going to be making as much money, but it's going to be worth it in the end. And here we are. I got the 50K bonus. And so I'm off to a good start. And I would imagine, given what you said earlier, you would like to be on that

White House card. Yeah, yeah, I would love to. I mean, I feel like whoever is on that White House card, I mean, their stock is just going through the roof. And so, yes, I would love to be on that White House card. Are you a Dodgers fan? I grew up a Dodger fan, you know, just being from California, like in all the L.A. teams, L.A. Dodgers, Lakers, and the Raiders. Okay. But, yeah, the Dodgers, they're killing it right now with Tony's a beast.

Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, some say that he, like, bets on games and stuff like that. Who knows, really? I mean, who's to check, right? Who's the check, right? Exactly. You never know. So that must have been weird when you played for the Niners.

Because didn't you probably grow up hating the Niners if you were an L.A. guy? Yeah, yeah. But I mean, when they're, whoever's paying you, it's, you have to like them now. You have to change your opinion, right? Of course, of course. Well, I think, I think this is great. Everything's working out. I mean, I could see you being a bit of a polarizing figure, but you seem, you seem comfortable with that.

You're not here to make friends. No, I'm just, I'm here to make the most of my opportunities. and if I have to speak on the mic, it is what it is. I'm not a big fan. I used to, I had the old school wrestling mentality where it's like, forget everybody. I don't need to talk to anybody. I'm just going to grind and I'm going to make it doing that.

But that's just not very wise, especially in this day and age. And so you got to do what you got to do now. And that's how I'm looking at it. So my perspective has changed throughout the years. What would change that perspective? I mean, I would think I'm kind of an aware person. I kind of see the writing on the wall of where things are going. And I'm just here to make money.

And when you sit down and you look at ways to do that and how to maximize your opportunities, I mean, you have to do this. I feel like you have to give people a good speech or you got to be remembered in some way or another. Is there a line you won't cross? Is there a bridge too far?

Is there a subject that you won't talk about? That's a good question. Maybe the whole Jew and Alastine stuff. I don't know about all that. Okay. What do you mean about that about that? If we stop it there. Is that it? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I like to sit back and see how everything's playing out and, you know, I don't jump to conclusions on all that stuff. And I see how the mainstream media is, you know, choosing a side and I don't like it. Yeah, I did, I did notice in your Post-Fi press conference, you talked about what's happening in Nigeria, and you said, you know,

where's the attention on that? Where are the protests on that, right? Exactly. And that's one thing I do like speaking on is, you know, my faith in Jesus Christ. And so if people are being persecuted for that, you know, I'm going to, I want to at least bring some light to it. Well, I wish you the best, Josh. Congratulations on an incredible year. Five and O is the stuff dreams are made of. You're now one and on the UFC contender series contract, performance bonus. You're in the bad guy club. I would say this has been a pretty good stretch for you.

So well done. Congratulations. I think it's your birthday coming up as well. It is. It is. Yes. So happy early birthday and looking forward to seeing what you do in 2026. If you don't get a fight in December as well, why not?

So thank you very much and good luck to you. And thanks for coming on. Great to meet you. Yeah. Thank you. All right. All right. All the best.

There he is. Josh Hokit, the incredible. Hoke or Huck, depending on how you pronounce it. Now 5 and 0, 1 and O in the UFC, and very much a player would seem in the heavyweight division. We'd love to see that fight against Walter Walker, and I think a lot of people probably don't know about his wrestling background, which would make the fight that much more interesting.

So let's see where he goes from here, but certainly a candidate for one of the rookies of the year. if you're not specifically talking about the UFC very hard to go 5 and 0 in one calendar year. All right, let's move along now and say hello to our final guests of the day. She was very busy last week, had a very big announcement. Ever since her last fight in late July, a lot of people were wondering, where would Clarissa Shields go next? Who would she sign with?

It was much talked about that she was a promotional free agent that her deal with, Dimitri Salida and Salida Promotions was coming to an end. There was some thought that perhaps you would sign with MVP, who's obviously putting together a big stable of women's fighters, some of the other promotions out there. But mid-last week, we found out that she is, in fact, resigning with Salita Promotions and Win Records. Massive deal.

We'll talk about the terms with her in a moment. But now that saga is over, and we look forward now to her next assignment. We say hello now to the quote, the one and only the pride of Flint, Michigan, the great Clarissa Shields. Hello, Clarissa. How are you? Hey, I'm good. How are you? It's nice to talk to you again. Thank you so much for coming on. Congratulations on this big deal.

And so can we take a step back? End of July, you're in the ring. You're winning at home, massive scene, Little Caesar's Arena. What did you think was going to happen? I remember that post-fight interview. I remember Dimitri being by your side and you were talking about being a free agent. How did you think at that time, how did you think the story would play out? I really had no idea. I was just open and talking to everybody. And when I say everybody, I mean everybody. And I really wanted to get the best deal because I know that I'm at a different stage in my career. And I just feel like, I want to go high as I can go. I want to make the most money. And I really just was like, I got to put friendships to the side. And I want to, you know,

get the real money. Because I know that I'm going to keep fighting on big platforms. And so how difficult was this process, talking to everyone being a free? agent? Oh my gosh. Listen, it was worth it, but it was so difficult. I mean, listen, I have four different contracts, you know, looking to everybody contracts, weighing the pros and cons. And listen, I just like, it was very stressful. It was not easy at all. But I was, I almost signed with MVP. Close. How close? How close? Like super close. Okay. So, so what happened um honestly i like everything that they stand for me me and the keys who were able to talk a lot and he under and he was you know understanding my vision i think that some of our stuff

aligned but it just wasn't um i mean it wasn't enough money you know what i'm saying and uh but i love what they got going on over there i love how they promote fights you know um what they've done with Amanda, done with Katie, done with Alicia. Like, I love that. It just wasn't all the way right for me. You know, like, I have creative control now with my deal with Salita and Win Records. And, you know, with that, it just, it's just a boxing business, but they definitely came with the most money.

And I didn't have to explain my vision because I've been working with Salita sent for nine years now. And it just was like, listen, I want to be like, really. really, really big. I want to make these events be really, really big because I'm going to go out there and just overperform, you know? So I'll land you right back at home with Litt.

But it was great talking with MVP and Eddie Hearn. Oh, you spoke to Eddie as well? Yeah, when I say I talked to everybody, the only person who I wasn't able to talk to was Turkey Al-Sheek. But I think that's because he's, like, not really big on with me yet. But he always says to everybody who asks him if he was to do a women's fight,

he would do one with me. But maybe he was busy around. of time, but I just had to work with those three or four contract that I had and make the best option. Did you try to talk to Turkey? Yeah, but he's very hard to contact, man. Very hard to contact. Fair enough. Fair enough. I can understand that. I think it's interesting that you mentioned the MVP thing because I'll be honest. I thought you were going to go in that direction, if only because of all the names that they've signed in women's boxing, they've really invested deeply into it. But I thought, you know, we talked about it when you're on my show in studio.

Like, it seemed like there was a little bit of friction between you guys. And so I was wondering how you'd get over that. It sounds to me like even though you haven't signed with them ultimately, is it fair to say the friction is gone that you guys are on the same page at least and there's no more, for lack of a better word, animosity there? For now, you never know what's going to happen tomorrow. You know, who will say or who will do what. But up on my end, I'm very happy with my decision and I'm happy to be.

be able to talk with Nekisa, you know, and to have conversations and just to see where our falling out even started at. And I feel like we mended it, you know, but you never know. Somebody may come out tomorrow and say something I don't like, and then I'll say something that they don't like it. They were back beefing again. But MVP had a lot of girls who I do want to fight. You know, they recently just signed Miller. They have Shadasha Green. They have Savannah a marshal those are girls who who I would love to still get in the ring with I've already made

offers to Raquel by plenty of times when she said no in the past so maybe now that she'll NDP she'll say yes same thing with Shadasha and we already know I'll beat Savannah so but I mean a rematch wouldn't really be too bad so I mean they got a good stable and people who are just because we're on different

sides of the street don't mean that we can't fight we can still make those fights happen Okay, I'm happy you say that because this is an MMA where if you sign with one promotion, you can't fight someone under another umbrella. This is boxing, right? And look, MVP did Taylor Serrano twice and Taylor's a matchroom fighter. And so I was going to ask you, well, the first time they were – actually, I guess the first time they were a part of it.

Yes, you're right. So three times. I forgot that that was a matchroom card. These other two times were an MVP card, but fair enough. Okay, okay. The point being, to me, I thought the most interesting fight for you right now is you versus Shadasia because, you know, because of the history there and the backstory and whatnot. And so I'm wondering if you get the impression that they will still be open to co-promoting

with you and Selena despite the fact that you didn't sign with them. What is your impression? I think that MVP thinks that Shadisha can beat me, which they have all the right to think that. But it's not going to be a hard fight to make. if I'm being honest, to make with any of the girl. I don't think that me signing with Salita will do anything to mess that up. And then, I mean, I don't know what's wrong with the boxing world. And I mean, it's in the most sincere way, even though, you know,

Franchon has kind of switched up and she acted how she acted. But Frenchon beat Shadation. So I don't know why people want to overlook that and say styles make fights and why won't you fight Shudatia first. It's like, so I'm supposed to just forget about Franchon, like she didn't beat her up. it's like she deserves an opportunity too. I mean, anybody I want to get beat about a goal can fight the goal, right? But it's like, we cannot ignore that Frant John

is better than Shaday Shredin. No matter who she's signing with. Frenchon is a better fighter. Those girls fought. Frenchon won. So when it comes to me, it's like, I'm going to pick, you know, who I want to fight for one at the time. But it's like, what makes y'all think

that she's so much better than Frant John and Franchon beat her? Like, that's disrespectful to me. me. I think there's a couple of things I play here, and maybe I'm wrong. I think number one, you fought Franchon in your debut and beat her. So at least this is like a fresh matchup. And I think that Shadeja's win over Savannah kind of propelled her to a point where that was the highest profile win of her career and the best opponent that she's ever faced. And I don't know if Franchon has a win over a fighter that's of that caliber. And so I feel like those, it's not clean, but I think those things are at play here.

We're not going to act like Savannah just watched French on that fight was close. I was there in person. No, I know. But you see, like, it's not like one plus one equals two. It's very complicated because you meet Frenchon, Shadija beat Savannah, Savannah, like, it's just a weird one. Yeah, it's a weird one, but I don't like that, like, they try to, try to ignore the fact that that happened. That's fair. I don't think that's, I don't, I'm not ignoring it.

I just think that there's, there's some spice to the fight, and I think a lot of people are, I mean, but listen, I got enough time. fight everybody. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It ain't really no big deal about who I fight first or last. It's not a big deal. So the terms are, as announced at the press conference, $8 million for two years with a $3 million signing bonus, right? How many fights are required to happen in those two years? Four, so two and two, or it doesn't matter? Like, it doesn't matter? Like, it doesn't have to be two this, two next year and two next year, or does it matter? Yeah, yeah. I mean, like, that's, I mean, that's good math or if you just, I do three fights next year and then fight one the next year.

I mean, however we can get for a fight stand within two years, you know, honestly. Okay. And do you know when your next one is? We still getting that figured out. You know, it's so much going on in women's boxing right now. So many different players, you know, so we just getting that figured out. But it would be an announcement quite about two, three weeks, soon as we get somebody to sign a signature. then we'll make the announcement do the press conference and go from there do you have a preference

when where and against two if it was up to you you're the boss it's up to me yeah well one my dream was to fight at t mobile arena in front of 25,000 and be the main event that is my ultimate dream in boxing i think once that's accomplished i probably like all right now i now i can't be tired i guess no no no because if that happens next you still got a lot more to do right so I understand, like, hypothetically that bike, but I would love to fight up there. But my next fight, I don't know if I want to fight. I know I want to try a different arena, so I love fighting in Detroit. I want to fight at the Barclays.

I already said Team Mobile. So wherever we land at, I just know that I'll be prepared to fight and ready to, you know, showcase my skills. Okay. And an opponent, if it was up to you, would it be Franchon? If it was up to me, which it is. Yeah. It doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter.

You know, if it's Franchion, if it's Shudatia, if it's Miller, if it's Michaela, it don't really matter. I'm just letting the team do their job. I'm just in a gym training, getting ready and trying to become faster, stronger, and smarter. That's all I'm trying to do in, John, Jim. The name we haven't mentioned, and the one. one that's garnering the most attention, as you know, is Leila Lee. And we've talked about this, but, you know, like, even in the last like 10 or so days, breakfast club, all this stuff, like anytime you or she talk, you talk about her, she talks about you, it explodes. And so

are you guys actively pursuing this fight? Is this something that is being talked about behind the scenes? I don't know if you guys seen it. She already declined it. So I don't even talk about it anymore. It is what it is. But you posted a video on, on your, your YouTube, like explaining the beef and all that stuff, and that garner's interest, right? It has like 1.5 million views that video alone. Yeah, 1.7 or something like that. Oh, yeah, who's counting? But at the end of the day, listen, she already turned it down.

And the reason I think people get mixed and true, they think that, oh, I want to fight her because she's been retired for 17 years, and I'm trying to bully her when she's old and she's this. And that's not it. She's the one that she can knock me out in that nobody can give her competition. And that was my reason for even wanting to fight her. Now that it's been eight years and it's over with, listen she said no perfectly fine that is a okay it is other girls who are better than her

who are active who i can fight against do you do you think that she said no because of the money or do you think she just actually doesn't want to fight you regardless of the payday who turn what you just ask me do you think that she say sometimes you say no because you want more money right do you think she wants to fight you but just wants more money or do you think she just doesn't want to fight you, period, at this point. I've been in boxing 20 plus years now, and I've been pro for nine to 10 years. And you don't say no to a fight that you want if you want more money. It's called negotiating.

So there is no, she doesn't want to negotiate. She doesn't want to fight. And like I said, that is like so beneath me now, and it's been beneath me. You know what I'm saying? I pulled her card. She said no. She may hate documentaries. It is what it is.

but the girl designed for $8 million, $3 million signing bonus, and I'm excited to get back inside the ring and show everybody why I got this big look to deal because I'm that girl, and I am the greatest woman of all the time. When you say you pulled her car, what does that mean? Like, you called her bluff, basically, like she was talking. There you go. Yeah.

There you go. So you made her an actual offer? Yes. And how much was it for? Everybody's seen it. It was $15 million. Okay. For one fight.

just me and her. That's what she knew it. Yeah. That's what she said. And what did she say? Ariel, you know what she said. I want to hear from you. I don't know what she said.

I didn't talk to her about it. But did you watch her hate documentary? No, I didn't, to be honest. Okay, well, she said no. I know, but what was the reason? I was wondering what the reason was that she gave you? I honestly, I didn't look into that. Okay.

No, in the negotiation. Did she say no just via YouTube? or did she actually say no to your people? Her people came, oh, she's busy with this, busy with that. Okay. She'll get back to her whenever she can. And I guess the getting back to us was her making her YouTube hate videos. That's weird.

Which came straight from the worst of mouth, which, like I said, it is fine. I don't know. I don't know if you enjoyed talking about this, but I don't. Okay. It is what it is. Like, I'm going to be fighting, you know, January, February, or march against a very sturdy opponent where I'm going to come out there

guns blazing, sharper as ever, you know, showcasing my skills that I've always shown. I've actually got time now so I can let some of my injuries heal up and actually get back to training how I used to. So I'm super excited to go on to a fight. Finally, you know, not having no injuries. My last two fights, I was injured very bad, but I still went in there and showcased what, you know,

what a goal can do. and I'm just ready to get back inside the ring and just continue to be great, you know what I'm saying? Just to be 100%. So in our arena, 16,000 people, stuff like that. Yeah, no, 100%. And just to be clear, and we'll move on. You're 30, she's 47.

She hasn't fought since 2007. I don't have much interest in this fight. I was, like, honestly, I would much rather see you to fight Shadasia, Francha, McKeala Mayer. Yeah, yeah. It was. 100%.

I just could, I look at the numbers on YouTube, but people, and clearly that's a sign that there's interest. I was like, holy shit. this is the son of this look there there is no interest up on my end look all you got to do is tell me no and that's it first of all nobody turns down that much money i wouldn't do it um you know it just not a thing that people do who want to fight you know what i'm saying i got too i don't understand the whole the whole conversation but at the end of the day so i'm still

going to make that in my career i'm still making more money than she's ever made in a fight and I'm going to continue to do that. Like, you know, $8 million deal for two years is great. But I want to make it to where the girls coming up after me, you know, can make $25 million deals and $50 million deals. So that's what I'm trying to get to and show them like a real blueprint because there is a blueprint to make a lot of money in women's boxing. You just have to learn it.

The Michaela one is really interesting, given your Olympic background and whatnot. Oh, my God, Michaela kicked. Mary's screaming ass. Yeah. Were you surprised? I was so geeked. I'm like, oh, my God, freaking Michaela came out there like a monster.

Like, she was driven. She was like a madwoman. I was like, oh, Lord. I mean, after the fight, Eli, Mary Spurson was like, what the hell just happened? I was great. I love seeing it.

So you like this fight? You like this idea? No, I do. I do. I think, you know, 160, 154 for me and Michaela would be fair. I have been at 160 in the past two years,

but I mean, you know what I'm saying? If that's a great fight, and she's ranked number three on a pound-lice now, so I mean, like, that'd be great to fight another fighter on a pound-th-pound list, knowing that we both have a little background, went to the Olympics together, have been around each other the majority of my life.

You know, people don't know, but TMI, but Michaela told me how to wear a freaking tampon when I was 16. So just being able to shed a ring with her will be great And I think it'd be great for women's boxing to be on Switching You mentioned the Olympics, by the way So you did mention last week the 2028, the desire Do you think this could happen?

Do you think this could happen, really? And wouldn't that, like, there's no money involved in that, right? So now you're on this trajectory Where you're making big, big money, that would pause it for a minute as you prepare, As you kind of rel-you have to, it's a different style, right? The amateur boxing, Olympic boxing, Very different.

Yeah, so would that make sense financially for you? You've been there, done that. You won two gold medals. Well, some stuff you have to do for the history of it. It's not really about the moon. I love representing America when I went to Olympics. I love wearing that U.S. sale on my chest and being able to just represent my country and to fight for us, you know, and it's one of the highlights of my career.

to be able to go to the Olympics one time to win a gold model was great, but I've done it two times and, you know, to have an opportunity to go and do it again, listen, I've hit up USA boxing, I've hit up everybody, and I've let them,

man, what the heck would they do that? What happened? What happened? Someone called you? Yeah, and they know I'm on an interview. That's crazy. That's all good. We still see you.

Oh, no, but I would love to go back and represent my country and just been able to go for a third Olympic gold medal and hey I'm the last person to win Olympic gold medal for the USA and boxing 2012 and 2016 so hey if the opportunity came and it was a and it was a way which I think it is I would love to go through the process and and do it wow that would be a spectacle that would be something and much respect to you if you if you do go down that route can I ask because you're you're very smart you're very in tune with the business side of things

have you been paying attention to this Ali Act stuff about, you know Yeah, yeah, I have. How do you feel about all of that potentially changing this? I think that the Ali Act is what protect fighters.

You know, giving us the knowledge to know, one, our de-instructed with our promoter and then to knowing, you know, what's the revenue and what's this and what's that, making sure that we're getting paid fairly.

So I don't think that it should be changed. and I just I think I think I think it's a little crazy you know what I'm saying but you know I feel like boxing has become like a thing where it's hard to make fights because these guys want certain kind of money and stuff and I think that they want to put rules and laws in place to where they can like force these fights and then also keep majority. of the money, which I think is not good for fighters, especially of my of my stature. So I don't think it should be a limit on how much we can make or whatever, but

hey, I think that's just with Dana White in the Riyadh season thing, right? Yeah, Zufa boxing, they're calling it. They're starting their new promotion. You said you talked to everyone. Did you talk to them? No. I mean, listen, I'm not a beggar.

and I'll never have to beg for anything so I'll let everybody know after my fight I was a free agent I'll let it be known I was I was big on it and really whoever reached out to me and wanted to work with me that's why I was willing to have conversation with and I went and met with NDP in person I talked with Eddie Hearn over over Zoom of course I spoke with Salida and even went records and everybody sent there in their contracts and that's just kind of what I what I've been dealing with the past few months but I was happy to finally get it out the way and just being able to continue in my career. By the way, you mentioned Nekisa.

Do you also talk to Jake or just Nekisa? No, I wasn't able to talk to Jake. Okay. He called me one time when he was with Nekisa or something like that, but I ended up missing a phone call. Okay. You know, we talked about a lot of opponents. Maybe Sidney-Sweeney as a potential next year.

Huh? You versus Sidney Sweeney, she's into the boxing now. No? I heard their name from. The actress, who's playing Christy Mark. Oh, the one that's playing Christy. Yeah, it was a joke. It was a joke.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh. Oh, it was a joke. Sorry. It was a joke. Didn't you say that you'd be willing? Because she said she wanted to maybe try a play.

TNZE just asked me about her at my press conference. So I see that she said she want to have a box. match, right? Yeah, yeah. She kind of openly talked. Yeah, but she, I mean, she's a big Hollywood star. Yeah, I think she should wear her head, get her first fight, but after that, if she won't take it off and she gets some more experience, why not?

I think everybody should, like, should be in a fight. Speaking of, have you never been in a fight? Me? Yeah. A pro boxing bout or an amateur boxing bout? Either. Or a street fight? Either.

You're been in the fight? No, no, I haven't. I'm a lover. Oh, you're missing out, man. You need to get, you need to get. Are you saying, are you? Are you saying that I don't have the, I don't have the street cred unless I do it, unless I make that walk? No, it's not really like a street cred thing.

It's just like, you know, people like to give judgment and stuff like that to fighters. And it's just like, you don't really understand what fighters have to go through unless you experience it. Are you saying, I'm that kind of guy? No, I'm just saying, like, I think sometimes your taste can be a little, you know. What? Questionable. Comsi, come so? Baby, can't go go get the food.

Oh. Did you give him the coat? No? All right. Hold on. Just as you're insulting me, you say my taste is questionable. Now I'm going to be... No, I think it's questionable.

I think that sometimes you judge fired us pretty hard a little bit. You think so? I feel like I'm very respectful. No, like you're respectful, but you know, you... You're like real. You know what I'm saying? Okay, so you respect that? Yeah, yeah.

I respect realness. Yes, absolutely. I do boxing twice a week and I spar on Fridays, but I don't really I don't No, but this is me and my trainer and he's like going He's going like 50%

I mean he's going Not even 50 15% probably on me But I wear a mouthpiece And he punches me in the face Interesting I would love to see that You what

Can I send you some of my footage? Please send me And lastly Send me your address So I can see your goat dog Oh what's that what's that? The the woke Oh a doll

A doll Oh you have one? I have one, yes Okay, it's a deal You're hard to get to You're hard to get to you You need to be like that You can't listen

I have I used to be able to where you just contact me Sure, sure Now I was like no I have to put something in between Because people are One, I'm way too nice I think I'm way too nice

But I need to have somebody Who they meet Who's not nice before they get to me So they understand when you get to me Ain't of that bull crap going Well, we're not haters here. I told you, my producer has your signed glove above his head. Every time we show him, your glove is in the shot.

You know that right there. Look, that's you. I appreciate that. Ariel, like, you have never been, like, been, like, bias or anything. I think that you know what's real, you know, and that you respect my skills and everything. And that's all I really want at the end of the day. Just respect my hard work and respect my skills.

That's good of all the world for me. Well, congratulations. Mazel Tov, as Dimitri said. leader would say yes you know what i'm actually going to go jet shopping this week i heard jets cost about 500 000 to maintain a year but i want to see if i can give me a jet or something because sometimes these flights and all this stuff be be like holding me up maybe i had a private jet you know i can i can get around easier so i'm really excited about this um i really want to say something thank you to every last one of my fans who came to my fights who bought any of my

pay-per-views, who bought any of my woke gear. You guys are so respected and loved by me. And whenever I'm going through someone on social media, like they're always defending me, sending me motivational messages, and that really means a lot. So I appreciate

that. And hey, we're only going higher. I love it. Shout to Slalita and win records. Woo-hoo! Congratulations. Well done, Clarissa. All the best to you. You've earned it. You deserve it. Looking forward to the next one. thank you all right there she is

Clarissa Shields look at that smile very happy she has she has cashed in a big way two year deal eight million over the course of those two years four fights three million dollar signing bonus and I thought she was about to call me out real quick I thought she wanted that smoke

for the record those fighting words I did not want any of that smoke I did not want any of that she was listed on that that list of a bonus for Jake Paul so maybe I wanted none of that. But you must be very happy, right, Rick?

I mean... I mean, this is quote things, you know? Like, I'm thrilled for her. I'm happy that you have the glove there because anytime I feel like she's turning on me, I could just go to that. Like, we're fans! Look, we're fans.

Who fuck is we? That's right. Who the fuck is we? That's right. Thank you, Dustin. Thank you, Dustin. I am, definitely. I love the quote.

Great stuff there. Great stuff there. What about Chale? Chale and Steve? He's a real-life cowboy. Shout out to Steve. Shout out to Steve. I see why he rolls around New York with that guy.

Yo, that guy is like belt buckle, oh yeah. Hat, shoes. But loves New York. But loves New York. This is his father-in-law. Would you travel from Ireland to New York with just your father-in-law, just the two of yous? Jimmy?

Yeah. Jimmy Slater's a legend, yeah. Okay, all right. I mean, by the way. He's very much in demand in Dublin in general. I said the same thing. I feel like, yeah, you might just have a problem, Ariel. I know.

I'm such a haterer. I'm just trying to. play up the whole... Is there beef? No, there's no beef. Because me and Pizzi, we're locked in. Father-in-law, you want to go take a trip? Whatever he wants, I'm ready to go. We're going on vacation in December

together, him and I. Just you two? Well, there's a lot of... Oh, yeah, yep. Family, you know, we come together. Speaking of Chale... What about the... Yes, yes, yes.

Dewash a la... Okay, he hit every... It was the greatest hits of Chales mispronunciations. DeWashalavili is number one by far. It will never be top. Diwasha Lavili Piero No, no

Diwasha Levely Even Paramount got mispronounced Paramount What did they say He said Paramount Oh, okay

He hit Blahal He hit Machelchev Yeah, about 17 Machel Chaves The bullet There was the There was the The bullets

The bullet He never said Valentina or Shepchenko He was simply the bullet I love that Piera The Australian The Slander

Crazy No love for the boys down under That is true, and you guys gave me something, but I only saw it afterwards, unfortunately. What was this little nugget here? Australia is zero boxing, wrestling, or judo gold medals at the Olympics, two silver and ten bronze. So that's not horrible. It's not?

Well, no gold. No, I know, but he said, like, they have no presence whatsoever. You know, two silver and ten bronze for a tiny nation is not the worst thing in the world. Tiny nation, wow, Australia's getting... It's fucking huge! I mean, a tiny nation, how many, how many... Population are great. What is their delegation?

No, no, I mean population-wise. But how big is their delegation? It's not that big. By the way, they'll just... They do. Just circling back. I did get a DM mid-show

from a gentleman named Andy Stevenson who wrote that Pizzi is 100% wrong about tipping, no line, tipping culture entirely different. He's trying to act like a South Sider. So I don't know. Well, you see, the problem is he is... Leon as well was calling into question.

Very wealthy man. He's from the south side, and they don't see menial workers as workers at all. They don't see them as human beings. So when Andy's getting his trough of lobster or whatever it is, he eats every day, he just be like, now get out of my quarters. I on the other hand say, thank you very much. Here is some money because I know that your employers are paying you so poorly. You know, that's just me and him.

I never said there was a line, Ariel. I said tipping. I asked multiple times about the line. You said, yep, there's a line. I didn't say there's a line. Even Leon. I've never seen a line either. Even Leon got a shot in.

Did you happen to hear that? He said you were very posh. I did. Well, you need a back garden. He definitely has a big back garden. He forgets, I know where he lives, too. He is a massive guy from Birmingham. Don't believe you.

You want to see his car? I mean, he's a brand new Mercedes jeep joan and big, huge, formatic things. Leon, I've been around you, mate. Don't give me this. You're way more rich, way more rich than I'll ever be, my friend. A quick update on the standings for USA golds in judo wrestling and boxing. 109. Holy crap.

Gold medal. Compared to zero. not bad for a small mission I won't have a point obviously hey shout out the oban obviously he has a point to a degree but I didn't feel like Jack Della

and by the way we love the Aussies they have two active champions right yes Australia is enjoying like a massive renaissance they have James to Houdon enjoying a massive I don't even know if Renaissance is the word a resurgence

I don't even know if resurgence is the word a surgence if that's even a word in all of combat in in MMA and boxing Jens let's go around the world of combat sports, shall we? There's a lot going on. There's a lot to get to. We briefly touched on this with chill,

but everyone's making a big deal regarding Islam Mahachev's, his physique. What do you guys make of this? Is this changing your opinion on the fight? Is this making you think that he's got a better chance at beating Jackdell? We have the footage, right, of him walking around. We've shown it a couple times. Yeah, there's Usman, and here's old Islam. Here's your man, Islam,

P.C., what do you make of this? Everyone going crazy over this five second clip. Yeah, I mean, he's beefed up, isn't he? But I expected him to be. Like, he's emaciated at 155. I think most people are making a thing about it, like, you know, the creatine thing. I think that's where it's a big deal. Oh, I just started taking creatine and now I'm enormous.

He has to make up for height differences and stuff with size. And sure, like, look at, I know Habib is not competing now, but he looked completely different. on fight night than he did when he was fighting I think this is just a natural thing to expect when a lad is moving up from 155 up to a new division he has to make up for it somehow and it was going to have to be size

it's not like he can just add three inches of height to his to his size in generally you know what I mean but definitely substantial man there's no doubt about that you guys agree with what chill was saying no buzz no one talk like it really is an amazing car but then when you break down the personalities I can kind of see but I feel

I don't know I feel like I feel like people are pumped about this one. Yeah, but this does feel like a fight fan's car to an extent, right? Like, it's, I don't think Islam and Jack are the guys that get, like, Islam is one of the bigger stars. Yeah. Some is very popular. But I don't think casual people are tuning in for the Islam's in the same way that it's the Connors, the Johns, the Alex, even Alex, you know, like, I think he draws in a different fan base. And so, yeah, I get that.

But there's not a fight fan. There's not a fight fan. an MMA fan that is not going to be watching this card. If you're a fight fan, you're through the route for this one, I do have to say, did the Dorman test this morning? And I was like, you know, you don't watch the UFC this weekend? He's like, no, who's fighting? I was like, oh, dude, it's at MSG, it's Islam Mokkelshev and Jackman.

Yeah. And he had no idea that it was happening. Serious. He was like, oh, I guess I'll have to tune in. I guess I'll have to tune in. That's right, Bob. Oh, you dropped it, who's to check? I did it for you guys.

I did it for you guys. I did it for you guys. They popped back here. I was hoping to pop the... I'm always trying to entice... I want to see, like, how far Frank's, you know, self-preservation could go. Like, I'm trying to get him to press...

I'm trying to get you to press the button. In the middle of an interview, it's dicey. It's dicey. Those top four fights in particular are incredible. The five is amazing. Bone nickel and then some of the other fights on the prelims, like, what more... I know we always say that.

But I think it's the best... pay-per-view of the year. Yeah, probably. I can't think of one, one through five of the year that I'd like better than this one. In my opinion, without a doubt it is. I know Ovin did the stats last week about it, but Dana White tweeted or Instagram to graphic, 21 fighters coming off a win, 14 on win streak, nine fighters on four plus win streaks.

It's pretty incredible, three undefeated fighters. Stole that from Oven, by the way. Yeah, no credit to Oven, I noticed that. Same graphic? Did you just cut and paste it? No. Freak M.A. made a graphic up of it. No love to.

You shared it, though? No love the. to Oven. Well, it's not only about UFC 322 on Saturday night guys, we're also getting the Connor Ben versus Chris Eubank rematch, which again, a lot of people are saying... I was just about to say, is flying under the radar, right?

This feels like no buzz. Yeah. And here they are. Do they talk to each other here? Can we go sound full? Yeah, they're not saying much. Okay, it's just... A lot of finger pointing. I mean, no one even in between them is playing with fire. the amount of the eggs there.

Yeah. Not to keep harping on it. You want to know how no buzz this is? Tell me, tell me. The Dorman Test, who's a diehard boxing fan? He said, I'm going to have to watch the UFC because there's no boxing. Oh, my word. Wow.

You want even another indicator? Yeah. We didn't know. You didn't even know what was happening. Last week, I dropped in a video of their face-off that DeZone posted and said, like, this is the best rivalry in combat sports. Maybe the best rivalry. in all those sports, and not one of you motherfuckers even clicked the link, watch the video, or

said a thing. Couldn't be bothered. No, I'm kidding. We're over here. I watch three minutes and turned it off, mate. We're over here spinning up storylines about all these bullshit rivalries. This is again, the best. And you know what?

They're going to produce in the ring. And again, I'm going to get to gloat on Monday morning. And you guys are going to be like, you know, you said it, but it's going to be incredible. I can't wait. I can't wait. I do wonder. If I remember correctly, though, there wasn't a massive buzz

that this early in the fight week the first year. Yes, that's right. It went fucking crazy towards the end. That's right. Remember a big frank in there with the, uh, with the the, the way in and everything. It went into overdrive and then, of course. The egg. The big reveal.

No, the egg was far before fight. Egg was far before. Yeah. Yeah, it was white. What's it like over there? Where, we're boxing is probably a little bit more popular. You're closer to the UK. What's it like over there? Like a few people have talked to me about it. Like, just um, looking forward to the fight or whatever, but I think it's always way too early

as well as with UFC 3-22 very, it's too early at this time of the week. We're only getting over the massive event at the apex, you know? We have to let ourselves settle down for a couple of days. It's a brilliant card. I can't fucking wait.

And after all the shit that's going on in this sport with the gambling and everything, it's just great to look at a card and just like, I cannot wait to watch these lads fight and that's how I feel about it. I've got to say, you got to start holding me to it. I've been meaning to adopt the like European, Australian individual numbers

when I say the pay-per-view event? Yeah, 3-22. I love that. I got to drop the 32. U.S.C. 3-22. I didn't even realize it did it, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd say 322?

No, no, no, no, 3-22. Okay, yeah. Maybe I zigged while everyone else is zagging, and I say U.S. 322. 322 is very regal. I don't mind that. UFC 320 this weekend in Madison Square Garden. I actually kind of love it. This is horrible.

No one else is doing it. By the way, speaking of this past weekend, what did you guys of Hokit in the cage and then in the interview, in the chat. Any thoughts on this personality? I mean, for the most part, he's pretty like even keel and then he drops a couple of nuclear bombs.

You know, he's pretty like actually mild-mannered. Yeah. I like it. I like anyone that's going to get the juices flowing at this stage. Just give me something. You know what I mean? I don't care if people feel bad about it or good about it. Just get people feeling something at this stage. That's what you want,

especially on an apex card. off as many people as you want, just make us feel some. That's what the heavyweight division needs. Especially at heavyweight. Yeah, I like what he's doing because I think heavyweight desperately needs it. But it is just another reminder that like the glory

days are not coming back. We will not get another chale. We will not get another Connor. Like it just doesn't, it doesn't hit the same. It does not hit the same. But it's at least something. I'll take it. What about this group chat as well? This revelation that there's an Oben alley at Kobe Covington Chielsen and group chat? A bad guy's chat.

And now Josh is in it. I mean, that's probably the greatest honor that someone of his stature can get right now. That's a meeting of the minds right there. Yeah. Owen and Kobe is an interesting combo. Despite having never met, they all have each other's backs. Can I be honest with you guys?

No joke? No joke. I think Douglas Crosby called him 14 times in that interview. Yeah, one time we caught a glance of it. He just kept calling him over and over and over. And it got to the point where, like, I would look, and then he would silence it and then I just wanted to be like

does he want to come on like very clearly now evidently you're here so why is he keep why is he continuing to call I don't understand I love that Jail and Steve Cowboy Steve went out to watch

fights to support Douglas Cross MMA judge judging yeah let's go Doug he's got the scores yeah you got that one 109

didn't get the call for MSG dare I say it's tough it's tough yeah well guys I do want to let you know that you can watch

the Chris Eubank versus Connor Ben fight on DeZone and DeZone has rolled out something called the ultimate plan have you guys heard about this

this is very exciting they announced back in July I do believe that they were getting rid of the the pay-per-view situation well really now it's like

like, I don't know, it's like this pass where you get X amount. I even got, well, let me read this here because I actually got a breakdown from our old friends at DeZone. So the pricing, it varies by market, but in the U.S., it's 4499 a month or 2499 pounds in the UK per month, or you could pay up front 449.99 or 24999 for even better value. And so if you pay the 4499 or the 2499, you get every single show that includes what would have been a pay-per-view. It's one subscription that includes 12 plus pay-per-views in addition to the 185 boxing events plus other content that comes with your traditional DeZone subscription.

do you guys think of this? This is something that I think other, um, other people have said like regarding ESPN plus back in the day, like, hey, if we could get one. The question is, are there 12 shows that are pay-per-view price worthy to make this worth your while? Because I think now the subscription, the monthly subscription is somewhere in like the 1999 range, but then you'd have to pay for the pay-per-views. Can't imagine this is going to be a huge hit. You don't think so? I don't think so. You think people would just pick and choose?

I think they would prefer to, yeah. Because it's a lot. It's a lot, man. You're paying almost $500 a year. Yeah. And then, like, they got your money up front. Where's the incentive to beef up the cards, right? Exactly.

Once you're in. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I think the original reaction was they're just going to do away with pay-per-view, but now it's more of a, I don't know, I mean, think about if, like, if the UFC came out with this, and they're charging $80 a pay-per-view over the course of the year, that's over $1,000, even if they charged $500 a year for everything, I still don't think people would be that hyped up about it. You know, I'm looking up now, like, NFL Sunday ticket in the U.S.

I don't subscribe to it. How much do you think it is? $340.4.99, I thought. 276. Oh. Bye. NFL Sunday ticket is 50% less than this

and you're getting I pay 200 how much you pay I'm just checking I'm paying like 200 for NFL and then I'm paying what are we looking at

receipts Is this before tip or after day? Yeah no I like that I'm on the fucking the app here hang on and then

But I mean Just the look on his face right now what's happening He needs glasses like this So you're like No you get good luck How much am I

Pete is struggling I'm not in this new thing and I'm paying 20. It looks like you just linked your fingers and now you're working through a file cabinet to find your receipts. By the way, you aren't. No one is a part of it. Did you just show your credit card? What was that?

I'm paying 1999 a month for DeZone. Okay. Yeah. So you're on the same thing as me. But by the way, for the 1999, I don't get Ben Eubank. Yeah. I don't get like the top tier. I don't get the, I'm not getting Devin Haney, Brian Norman next week.

Yeah. Yeah. So. Yeah, so you're saying incrementally you can pay a little bit more and get those pay-per-views. But what G.C. is saying is, like, how many of those are going to happen that I want to lock in ahead of it? And then when you compare it to Sunday ticket where you're getting, you know, how many games are you getting on Sunday? What is it? Would it be like 15 or so?

Yeah, it's like 14 games. Yeah. Over the course of 17 weeks. It's a lot of content. It's a lot of. Someone do the math. It's a lot of games. And it's for 50% less.

Yeah. Hang on. And it's also the NFL. Yeah. So we're paying five quid more for this new thing, and we have all the pay-per-views as well? Is that correct? Well, no, right? So right now, right now yours is, if you're, I'm assuming you'll go by UK, it's 2499 pounds.

They don't have, they don't have Ireland listed or Euro listed. But that's what it's saying a month or 24999 a month, excuse me, a year. 249-99 pounds a year. for the 12 shows plus everything else i don't know let's see by the way so what do you get for that upper tier the 44 you're getting everything you're getting the pay-per-views and everything in it did like like like uh virtual artis fight this past weekend was not a pay-per-view so you'll get all of those you know all those those those shows the MVP cards whatever whatever in addition to ben you bank in addition to norman uh haine in addition to and at the 25

tier, it's those big shows plus the local shows, but not the pay-per-views. It's $44, American, $45 American. $45 a month, $25 in the U.K. He also talked about getting rid of paperview. Okay, got it, I didn't realize, okay.

I thought they were getting rid of pay-per-views. You talked about getting rid of pay-per-views, so now you're upping the price, which I can't imagine customers are going to be happy with. It's like, wait, I thought paper views were gone, now we have to pay this extra price to get them. I would just imagine most fans will pick and choose. You know what I mean?

They'll just be like, okay, I'm into this card. I don't want to pay up front or pay even monthly $44 a month. By the way, this is still not available in Canada, Spain, Italy, France, Portugal, Belgium, Taiwan. D-A-C-H? What's that? What's D-A-C-H? And Japan. It is available on over 170 markets, including the U.K, including the U.S.,

and I would presume Ireland as well. What is D-A-C-H? Oh, D-A-C-H. Is that German? It refers to the region of German-speaking countries, Deutschland, Austria, and Switzerland. Okay, well, there you go. Hey, shout out the Switzerland.

That's a new one me. Yeah, I've not heard that one before. So anyway, that's what they're doing. And I guess the first one to fall under that umbrella, if you will, is the one this weekend. The show this weekend. Now, one show that will not be a part of this, it appears, at least for now,

is the misfits, card in December, December 20th. That's the one headlined by Andrew Tate versus Chase Damore. And Frank, we do have some breaking news regarding this card. A rematch that is some three or so years in the making is going to be happening on this card. It is in fact going to be Dylan Danis against Anthony Pretty Boy Taylor. You may recall some three or so years ago in a parking lot in Austin, Anthony Taylor rocked Dylan Danis the punch hurt

around the world you guys remember that and now they're actually going to be fighting for the MFB MMA championship I believe it's a light heavyweight title or something

that they're calling it anyway what do you guys think you in you out no I'm out it's an actual somewhat accomplished it's his hardest opponents

it's a boy of distance it's totally it's actually the most accomplished opponent that he's ever faced outside of Jiu you're in you got a belt on the line, we get a rivalry renewed, and we get questions answered.

Hey, what more could you want? Show that clip over and over again. The promo is going to hit hard. It's going to be too much yappen. He has wins over UFC veterans, Dean Barry and Chris Avila. Hell yeah. Dean Barry. Too much yappen.

Too much yappen. Not into it? No. So far, you're not into this card? No. What are they calling it? The nightmare? Mania.

No, no, something before Christmas. The fight before Christmas. The fight before Christmas. It's not misfits mania. It is called. Oh, yeah, there's. It is. Come on, mate.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. No, it is. It is. Mania. No, it is. It's all. Let me just say this.

It's almost like, I come to misfits for crazy shit. It's almost too legit. That's what I don't want it. Boy, Taylor, is not crazy enough for it. It's like, Andreel.

Anthony Taylor is, they fought in the parking lot of a misfits event. Okay, hear me out. If you were fighting in the parking lot, I'd fucking love it, but they're not. They're fighting in a ring.

Let's head out to the parking lot. Where we'll get Dylan Danis versus Pretty Boys. That would actually be kind of cool. Yes, it would be great if they were like to the scene of the crime. They did like a fight club thing where everyone stood around them. Yes. I would be in. They have the Nissan Ultima that Dylan Vanis fell into.

Love the idea. KSI standing by with a cup of coffee. Wait, does KSA even allowed now that he's not, you know, that Tates the CEO? I don't know. But, yeah. It's too legit. It's too like, I don't know. It's like, this is like a real fight.

I don't really want it. Dylan versus the mechanic was perfect. I mean, come on, we get the Misfits Light Heavyweight Belt on the line. Yeah, it's big. Oh, yeah, wow. Huge. Again, too legit. Why do we need the Misfits Light Heavyweight belt?

It's a real title, Rick, and frankly, your tone. It's a recognition, man. This is my point. It's a real title. I don't need a real title. You have held that belt. I want them to be fighting for... Actually, literally one person has held it.

That's the prestige. So you're not into that one. Maybe a few weeks later, you'll be into Ilya to Poria versus Patty Pimblit. There's some talk that the first Paramount pay-per-view is going to be at T-Mobile Arena. And Patty is throwing down the gauntlet. There's a two-horse race. I think it should be a one-horse race. I think it's

the most... I think that it is the biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers. It has to be Patty v. Illia. Like, nothing makes more sense in this timing-wise as far as who's available. Superstardom, stature, X, Y, and Z. Anyway,

here's Patty talking about it via his YouTube channel. I just want to get a fight on, lad. Bozilia's ever done to talk shit about me, saying I'm shit, saying I don't deserve to fight him. After his last fight, I get in the cage and he pushes me, I think it's happening. And now all's a maiden is he's stolen. He's not saying yet to the fight, he's stolen. If I'm that shit, lad, I just want to take an easy fight and beat me down.

Step up, as Tyson said, sign the contract, big boy. That's a classic line, by the way, him and Bob Sapp from back in the day. guys, we are one fight removed from Max Holloway, brutally knocking out Justin Gitchie in one of the most vicious knockouts in the history of the sports. Since then, he has a win over Raphael Fazeve, a short-noticed fight. How are you in the mix for a title shot? I don't get it.

I really don't get it. He's had multiple title shots before. He's had opportunities to fight for the belt. Patty has not. He's undefeated in the UFC. He's only gotten better. His last win was against the game. Michael Chandler, a TKO win.

Like, PT, do you not agree? this is a no-brainer there's a history there there's like what is it four or five years no maybe not five four years since their interaction

in that hotel three at at worst it's three it's three come on it'll be four I think come March or something like that

the point is the point is this is a no brainer and I can only I can only think that the UFC agrees and they're just kind of waiting

to make the announcement I don't get this one and I see Justin you know throwing down the gauntlet like hey I'm going to retire if I don't get a title shot but okay, Patty versus Ilya is infinitely bigger

than Justin versus Ilya. Absolutely. I'm, you know, I don't want to, I was saying this before I even fought Chandler, that if he, the B Chandler, he'd probably be in the mix for that title. And he's just that guy. He is in rarefoyed air.

Like we're talking about this card, 3-2-2, we all love it. Hardcore fans love it. There's brilliant fights up and down the card, but Paddy Cators do a completely different audience. Like he is that, I'm not in the same level as a McGregor or a Rousey, but he's bringing a lot of people into the sport that wouldn't be there otherwise,

especially in the UK, where he's from in Liverpool. He's been a really famous guy for a very, very long time. I think he brings a lot of eyeballs with him, and that's something the UFC desperately needs. And I always thought this was probably going to be the case, and there's a great clip there somewhere of Sean Shaheen Al Shadi laughing at me, as I suggested this back on the crack a few months back, but I think it makes perfect sense.

I haven't really thought about anyone else fighting Ilya in this time period I always thought it would be Patty it makes sense for everybody as far as I'm concerned and I agree with you I don't think Gaichi is in any position to be negotiating like this and not only for the fact that he's coming off the loss

like he's had opportunities at the title before I don't think there's anyone kind of clamoring for him to be in that spot again right now now this is the fight you want to start a new era you want to start a new deal with a new platform that is paying you $1.1 billion a year?

Like this is a... Talk about a fight that people will be talking about. Talk about the doorman check fight. I would imagine your doorman is talking to you about Patty versus Ilya. Oh yeah, no doubt. He'd probably have the Patty wig on when I went down to do. Yeah. Hear me out though. Hear me out though.

Oh, come on. Listen. No. I'm going to... This is so on Bradrick. We are ready to hear you out. Hear me out. My ears are wide open. Listen to me. Please. This weekend? This weekend.

Makachev is fighting. Isam Makachev wins. For months, I heard that we lost out on the big fight. Oh, I'm crying because we didn't get Ilya versus Islam. This was everybody. Everybody was whining and griping. We lost it. Well, guess what?

It's back. Islam Makachev wins. You can do Islam versus Ilya. Do you do that instead of Islam? Okay, so you actually just threw me a kerbal. You just threw me a kerbal. I thought, so this is a little bit of shades of Balal and Jack, where they waited for that fight to materialize

and then they made their decision and then they went with Ilya versus Charles. I thought what you were going to say was Jack versus Islam, Islam loses. Now Islam goes back. Well, now you've left yourself with a massive predicament

because your new credo is you move up, you're dropping the belt. So Ilya's going to drop the 55 belt that he just won in a vacant title fight to fight the 170 pound champion? All I'm saying is I was told that this was the fight of the century

that we couldn't do without this fight If Islam loses, make that fight. Sorry, Patty, make that fight. If Islam loses, you make that fight. If Islam wins, now there's a litany of guys at 170 that should be getting that fight. So if he loses, you're down for it, though. I'm 100% down. 1,000%.

Fair play. Fair play, Rick, in fairness. Give him credit where it's Jew. We didn't know where he was going with that. Came in. I think only if he loses, though. Only if he loses. If he wins, keep him out 170, keep LIA at 55.

If he lose... By the way, it's actually a really good question and hear me out. Islam loses. Islam loses. What's the bigger fight? Ilya versus Islam. Ilya versus Patty. That's what I'm essentially asking.

Islam coming off the loss too? Or Red Hot Patty. I don't know. Look, you know, when you were comparing the... When you were comparing the resumes of Patty and Justin, not for nothing. Like, a win over Michael Chandler in 2025 isn't like some legacy defining win,

respectfully to Chandler. Like, I don't think Patty He's done some worked miracles to the point that I'm like, it can't be anybody but Patty. Isamakachev was the long-reigning champion of that division who never dropped that belt. To me, that still feels like the bigger fight and one I'd be interested in. But I also do think there's a shelf life on how long we can drag out the Ilya and Patty thing. I would like to see it done now. I'm open to either.

I think the more significant fight is Ilya versus Islam. I think probably the more popcorny, like you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, going to be planted on your couch is Patty versus Ilya, I don't think either option is a bad option for Ilya to pour you. He's got very good options for himself right now. Could Islam we now be moving Ilya

down the road if he was having to wait for Islam? Like, can't Islam be ready in two and a half months? Three months, though? You get it done before Ramadan? No. It's really good. Yeah, I guess by the time it's happening, it's going to be November 15th. The paper is probably going to like January 22nd.

Yeah, it is asking a lot. Here's my ranking. If Islam loses, if Islam loses, the biggest options are Patty Islam, Justin. I still put Patty above Islam. I just want to... Months ago, everybody said that the UFC blew it. This was the biggest fight ever, and now we're just willing to move on from it? Well, they're in different weight classes.

I just think, yeah, I think that's the problem. What is that? Because they're in different weight classes? At the time... 155, going from 1.45 to 170s is too big of a jump. it's that's the problem i don't think it's going to happen within three months so i think that gives you the space to do ilia v patty and then do islam because he's we just started we're just looking at videos i'm absolutely yoked walking around okay so now islam after patty

if he loses if because if he loses the winning streak's done the the the aura of invincibility is done even though we all know about davy ramos i think you get the point this is this is this is half me endorsing that i think islam is the bigger fight for iliet but but also a revision of, like, how the mania around Ilya versus Islam was. Now it seems like everybody's like, you know what it is? You know what it is? It's a tip of the cap to Patty. I think Patty is a gigantic deal.

I think he's a huge star, and I think the buildup to that fight would be one of the biggest of the year. I think it's also the logistics surrounding making Ilya Islam happen now, whereas in the past, it was literally just, I was moving up to 155 make Ilya versus Islam. Wasn't it nice when they could hold their belts and go up? That was a nice era. I like that era a lot. Can I tell you guys a hot take? I think Ilya versus Patty

is in the same stratosphere as Jones Pajeda. No. Yeah. No, no. They're that big. I don't know about that. I don't know about that.

Ilya is gigantic over there. It's just a different market that we're not really tapped into. He's gigantic over there. Patty is gigantic. I think Jones versus Pera is a big deal. And it might not be on the same level,

but I think it's in the same stratosphere. It's that big, in my opinion. It's in the conversation. of like the biggest fights that the UFC can make, but I think John Jones and Pereira is significantly bigger. Jones and Pereira is the biggest fight

that's not a Connor McGregor fight that the UFC could make, period. Like, there's no other bigger fight than that. And I don't think there's a close thing. I mean, Jones Aspenal is pretty big too. It's your two biggest non-Connor stars. It is your two biggest stars outside of Connor McGregor. I think Ilya and Patty are in the top five

as far as biggest stars. Maybe, but they're not ahead of John and Alex. Who's bigger? Ilya and Islam would be there as well. Ilya and Islam would be there too, yeah. Yeah, Islam is also... They're top five, but they ain't one or two. All right, let's talk about a couple other things.

We were talking a lot about the Ante Delia Waldo Cortez-A Costa fight, this courtesy of our good friend Ben Folks over at uncrown.com. He has unearthed more information regarding this fight. He found out that Antidellia's team has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada Athletic Commission requesting a hearing on the map, matter, according to a letter sent to the NAC and later provided to uncrowned by Delia's attorney Ross Goodman, who's been around the fight game for a very long time. I know him well.

He's been involved in some big cases over in Nevada. The Delia Camp is requesting that the result be changed to a no contest due to a, quote, clear rules violation, end quote, on the part of the officials. This is unprecedented, Goodman told uncrowned, quote, this is why I'm trying to get the commission to look at this. This is bigger than anti, bigger than this one event. It's about guys, are you going to follow your own rules? But according to NAC, Executive Director Jeff Mullen,

the commission did follow its own rules, even if those rules may differ from the unified rules of mixed martial arts on this matter, and the incident was handled properly. We talked about this last week. It's a tricky situation, in other words, and it all comes down to the use of instant replay in MMA. And so Ben goes through all of this.

One thing that was discussed was bringing in the stool, bringing the cut men, that is not discussed. but I think part of the problem is here the unified rules and the Nevada rules are different and there's different language which I would strongly suggest they should all get on the same page and have the same rules

so that there is no discrepancy anyway go check out uncrown.com great reporting there. There's been a bunch of great stuff over on Uncrown right now. There's a great, great, amazing story by Ben on Frank Shamrock. I highly recommend you checking that out

and a whole bunch of other stuff. I'm looking at it now. A great story on Shimmer, the old school pro wrestling promotion turning 20, focusing on women's wrestling in particular, and we're just crushing it over there. I mean, it's just an unbelievable. It's really the crown jewel of the uncrowned empire.

Very, very proud of the work over there, so go check it out over at uncrowned.com. did want to speaking of John Jones John Jones was on a podcast what is the name of this podcast it's called No Scripts podcast No Scripts podcast you big fan Huge

The No Scripts podcast John Jones was on this podcast I guess it was over the last couple weeks It was clearly around the time that he was in Nashville for the dirty boxing event because he's wearing similar clothing He talked about a few things

and I did want to shine a light on these things. First, let's play him talking about the Dana White situation and how it was all handled, the offer from Tom and his desire to make amends. Here it is, take a listen, and then we'll react. I think my most immediate goal is to try to be on the White House card. Okay. You're talking to Dana?

How is he feeling? You know, I'm giving Dana his space. You know, Dana has changed my life. Yes, he is. He has changed my life. He's changed my children's lives. And I'm forever grateful to him. And we had a verbal agreement that didn't go over.

Could pause right there. Pause right there. A verbal agreement. Remember, there was some reporting by a handsome fellow. I forget his name. Name escapes me, who said on multiple occasions that John Jones gave his word to the UFC when they got him the 30 million that he was asking for. And then a couple of days later, he reneged.

Actually, Chale's version of the story is actually quite accurate. He was feeling himself at the time. was getting some nice little reality show offers and he's like, you know what, I don't need this money. I'm getting, you know, a pretty penny to do this stuff. So here he is. Dana confirmed it, if you recall, back in June when they officially moved on. And now here's John confirming him, confirming it. And as I've said multiple times, never came out and refuted it, regardless of what his fans or people may say about me being a quote unquote John Jones Hater, which is not the truth. I'm just telling you exactly what happened. He never refuted it. Now here he is confirming it.

So I appreciate that. Please continue. Nothing was finalized, but I do admit guilt. Not guilt, but I was wrong. You'll make it right at the White House. The way things went down, I was wrong. And I wish that I could see him face to face

and just apologize to him so that we can let bygones be bygones and get back to making some major money for the sport and really entertaining these fans. He's a businessman, and there's no doubt that you are his favorite fighter of all time. There's the memes of it. He loves you.

It's a matter of time. When he's feeling me, I think I'm one of his favorite fighters. When he's not feeling me, probably the reason why he has a ball in it. I think that host was feeling John Jones there. I mean, golly, the glaze. Oh, wait until I see the other clips. Forget this one. I mean, D-1 glazing.

The Aspenal portion. It's just a matter of time. The aspiral clip made me blood red mad. Okay, well, just on this one, I mean, John is fully, you know, other than saying, you know, the amount, saying it's on me, it's my bad. A little surprising, it's, it's, what, five months later, and they haven't met, they haven't talked? Like, you would think, hey, can we meet, I'll fly to Vegas, let's go out,

I'll meet you in your office, anytime you're ready, I'll fly to any event, whatever, would suggest, I don't know if you guys feel otherwise, it would suggest Dana was pretty pissed that he gave him his word and he backed out on the word. That's what it seems like to me, but he's continuing with this thing that he wants to be on the White House card, he wants to make it up he wants the opportunity now he doesn't want the fight to the best of our knowledge they never talked about an Alex Pereira fight they wanted him to fight Tom Aspinall and he had agreed and then he reneged and so there's no indication one would think that they would see the light and say hey Pereira versus jones makes a lot of sense Jones isn't holding up a division he doesn't have to fight anyone in particular and Pereira could just move up and give up that title we could do Yuri versus Carlos Alberg one would think that they would be interested in it the question is

can Dana get over his disappointment, his anger towards John reneging on his word. But this was kind of the first time that John confirmed that, yes, he did in fact give his word and he did back out. Just think about the way that Dana White talks about Connor and his participation in this card, which is we're in lockstep.

We're talking to Connor every day. It seems like there's that. And then there's the John Jones where it's like, don't want to talk about it. John Jones is the only one talking about it. completely one-sided. To me, John Jones feels like

the break glass in case of emergency option for the UFC, right? Like if, if Connor can't do it, then you, then you get over it,

you swallow your pride and you hit up John Jones. But until Connor McGregor's out, I feel like John's on the outs. Dana, can't hold a grudge. Yeah. Unhappy with you.

He did a lot for John Jones, though. Like, I mean, oh my God. The support. All the shit John Jones did throughout his career.

And Dana was out there, like, in terms of him as a promoter, every time that Jones let him down, he was out there trying to pick up the pieces. Like, sometimes it was absolutely ridiculous, the shit that was going down. And he was always there. And then it comes to this moment where he puts his neck on the line and says, I am guaranteeing you this fight.

It's 110% happening. He doesn't show up. Like, it's Dana White. Of course he's going to be fucking pissed off. Like, I don't, that doesn't strike me as strange at all. You're completely right and completely accurate in everything you're saying, but let's not act like this is. charity from Dana Way, right? Like going out there and defending John all the times he has.

It's because he was able to maximize profits on John Jones and drastically underpay him throughout his entire career to the point that John Jones needs to take this fight. John Jones should be retired on an island somewhere actually not needing to fight because of all the money he's made for the UFC. So I'm not giving Dana any grace. It's not from the kindness of his heart. It's because it just gave him another opportunity to squeeze dollars out of John Jones. And other like him continuing going. Even if Jones versus Pereira does big business, Dana's the kind of guy who is going to be like, look, I did all this for you, and I went to bat for you, this and that, and you gave me my word, and I went out there and said, it's going to happen, and I didn't

deliver because of you, and so screw you. Like, he will cut his nose despite his face in that regard. But what if Connor can't go? Listen, you know what? Actually, Chale brought up a good point. Like, it doesn't have to be someone, like it could be. What did he say? Ilya versus Islam? Well, there you go. We were just talking about it. It actually is at a stute point that we were talking about in that, like, what if the

American guy loses in the main event? Is that worse than just having two non-Americans in the main event? Because then you don't have to deal with like America losing at the White House and the symbolism of that and everyone kind of having a field day with that. It's actually not, I don't know if they're going to like shy away from it, but I didn't really think of that. In any event, so John is still campaigning. Let's see how it plays out.

This is going to be a saga that we'll be talking about and watching for a while. He was also asked about Tom Aspinall. This was around a few days after the eye poke scene around the world. Of course, he showed up to the weigh-ins with a horse wearing an eye patch. He changed his Twitter profile pick to a duck wearing the eye patch. Having a field day with this. Well, here's what he had to say about that incident. When Tom gets hurt, he's like immediately incompatitive.

He poked my eye and then he's like immediately. There was no like. He never tried to look. It was rag on the eye immediately. Dude, I think the silliest looking cat on national TV is just trying. He didn't try. He didn't try. Same thing with Curtis plays.

When he hurt his knee, there was no limping. There was no trying to get up. It was just like immediately. Yep. Burn my village. I can't go on. He doesn't have the dog in him. Yeah, that killer, be killed.

Immediately quits. Yeah, when he got tapped out with an ankle lock, there was no trying to fight his hands. There were no trying to be immediately quit. You see the pattern of it. Immediately. Yeah. And I noticed the profile pick change. And then you had someone on your horse, too, similar.

Yeah. I'm just having fun with it. You have a phone with the iPatch? I'll have a phone with it. Yeah, it's like he had at it with me. He had a long time coming at me. So it's to keep the fans engaged. Of course.

It's just to keep things fun. The best part about it is like what did Tom actually say about John? Like he never really played into, oh, I guess he held up like a little duck and all that stuff, the horror. But yeah, the glazing was just. He doesn't have that dog in a brow. The knee injury. He hit the air quotes for, I think it was a torn MCL, a torn minisk. miscus, ACL damage, surgery,

year recovery, just like... Blown out. Didn't even try to limp around on... He didn't even give it the old college try. He just wouldn't even give it a try. He doesn't have that dog in him. Just doesn't have that dog in him. Just doesn't have that dog in it.

No, the other guy said that. The other guy said he didn't have that dog. He saw the patterns. Don't forget. The thing about not trying to open the eye, wasn't Aspinall being killed for the fact that, oh, he looked, he opened his eye because he was trying to go on.

Everyone keeps bringing up this thing of him saying, I can't see. Yeah, okay, that was his reaction. But he didn't tap out. He didn't do... Anyway, not to like get into this back and forth because it's completely stupid, but it's like you've never seen anyone talk so much shit about someone that he refused to fight and not just refuse to fight, but generational money. Like no one has ever been offered 30 million to the best of our knowledge, not even Connor up front. This is pre-paper viewpoints.

And you said no. And now you've gone on this tour shitting on the guy calling him a quitter, calling saying that he doesn't have that dog in him, saying that he looks for the way out. the Curtis Blaze fight. By the way, the Curtis Blaze fight happened already. The ankle lock that you're talking about happened already. The poke happened after you said no, but like if there were patterns, why didn't you fight the guy? What was it about him? Did you feel like you weren't getting paid enough? Clearly not, you wanted that money. Did you feel like he wasn't on your level? Well, you were still getting paid to fight a guy who wasn't on your level. Isn't that the dream? I don't understand why he continues to do this and why no one says, well,

then why didn't you fight him? Oh, I see a lot of people saying that, by the way. No, to his face. Oh, not to his face. The comments all say that. that. The one bit of bail, I'll throw John Jones, who I don't agree with in most of his talks about Tom Aspinall is he's been pretty consistent in saying the reason he didn't fight Tom Aspinall is because he doesn't believe Tom is on his

level or a legacy defining fight, and Alex, and he goes out of his way to explain that he believes Alex Pereira is. Now, do I buy that? That's a different question. The real gun was legacy defying? Come on. No, no. This was post that. No, I know, but it's just like none of it makes sense. None of it makes sense. I don't agree with it. I don't agree with it. I think

Tom would have been a suitable challenger and would have been a great fight. But he's been consistent in that regard that saying Alex Perr is the type of fighter I want to fight, and Tom Aspinel, quite frankly, isn't. But to your point, if you truly feel that way, 30 mil to fight some guy that you don't think is going to

do you any damage. 30 million is pretty legacy to fight. And then you just go fight Alex after that. That makes a lot of sense to me financially. But, yeah, I don't agree with most. But he is pretty consistent in saying Alex is a guy that I want to fight. Steepay is a guy that I want to fight,

and Tom is not. I'm going to get disqualified if he comes back and fights anyway. When everyone was so hypersensitive about these eyepokes, I mean, that's going to be interesting itself. It's like this. Like genuinely. John Jones, you talk to, you interviews with guys who fought him,

this is a massive part of their preparation, preparing for his range finding fingers. It's going to be very interesting if he comes back and fights in this day and age because there's a hypersensitivity since the aspirational situation about outstretched fingers and I know he pokes. But the headline on Sunday would be Tom quits again.

That will be the headline on Sunday that all the MMA fans would rush to say is, oh, he got poked in the eye. Well, he's to blame. F that guy. But yes, you make a great point about John Jones and the eye pokes. He is notorious for it.

Well, John Jones, not active at the moment. Someone who is very active is Marab Diwali-Svili. And if you're a Marab fan, if you're backing Marab, you have to be very worried about the footage that has just come out as he is preparing for the Pirion Fight.

Pizzi, have you seen this footage? I have not seen this footage. What the hell? Worrysome footage. Here he is going up against Lupi Godinez. And look at the ease in which she takes down Maraub. Look at that. Bang, a little chain rust.

I mean, that is... He is wearing jeans. He is wearing jeans, though, Ariel. Yeah. I mean, we've got to think about this straight away. Did he give that up too easily? Suspicious Was it Dalgarian-esque?

I don't know if the money was the end The end goal he was going for Some people were calling him after that I saw Marab Rizwalishvili Where'd you see that? Oh yeah I just saw Can you send me the link to the tweet bro? Some people were saying

Send me the link to the IG story He said Risvolishvili Well, it's pretty good, no? I thought it was Diwasha Lavili I thought that's what I was Rizwasha Lavili Diwashalavili

Marob Rizwasha Lovili You're so hot You're so high on this. Just tell us who posted it. Send us the link. People are posting it. I don't know all the fucking weirdos online posting things. Oh shit.

Yeah. Listed check. That's exactly it. That's exactly. I don't know. I just thought it was a little worrisome. Here he is. He's a month out from a title fight and he's getting taken.

No, dangerous stuff there. No knock. I mean, loopie sister, Canadian Olympian. We all know this. She was a great wrestler as well. But listen, a lot of people say a lot of stupid things online. A lot of people are.

are saying stupid things, which brings up actually the last thing that I wanted to bring up. There I am Thursday night. I'm with my good friends, Mark, Dan, and Phildo. We're in Toronto. We're at Danny's Pizza Tavern. In fact, we're at Danny's next door. They made me a special pineapple, green olive pie. I posted online.

You've all seen it and loved it. Surely it's one of the great pies I've ever had. Just the vibes are I'm in Toronto. I'm with my good friends. I haven't seen them in ages. were enjoying a nice little meal. They brought out all the different, you know, all the different dishes that they had. They were even testing out a couple on us.

It was really lovely. And I very quickly look at my phone and all of a sudden I see a message, a just sort of rude, nasty, interrogative, just a mean message from someone named Kike Hernandez, click on the link, verified, suck it Ariel Hall. Elwani, loser, all caps, does three-time World Series champ sound better than the triple champ? And I'm like, wait a second, is this World Series winning Kika Hernandez talking smack about me? Talking shit about me, three, four days removed from getting an A on the group project, doing absolutely nothing, actually almost blowing the World Series? Ball goes over his head, Paz saves his ass.

Well, anyways, I say, I have to reply because I'm not going to take the disrespect. And I say, congrats on getting an A on the group. project, Kike. Great read on that Clement, fly ball, bro, all caps! And then he hits me with the Got Me Good there. When you know someone hits you with the Got Me Good, they've got no retort. They've

got nothing for you. This guy was absolutely irrelevant. He made one play in Game 6. Everyone's like, I mean, he's literally hanging around the Mendoza line, talking smack. All I said, all I said was you got your ass saved by your teammate. No shame in that. And that you

kind of, you know, you kind of fumbled the the Connor McGregor, the double champ does whatever he wants thing. It's been played out. The delivery wasn't great. It was a little forced. And all of a sudden, I mean, guys, the amount of hate mail that I received from these Dodger fans, by far, by far, I mean, it's not even a question. The real estate. I had no idea in LA. Absolutely rent free. It's unbelievable. The most sensitive fan base that I've ever come across. And I have, like, I'm not a fan of a team that, is even at odds with these guys. I'm not a Giants fan.

I'm not a D-Backs fan. I'm nothing. I called it like it is. As, by the way, as a salty, bitter fan, I said, you acted like jackasses. You were mocking plays that were controversial that should have gone your way but did. And your announcer should have, you know, sat out the parade as the MC, as the national baseball voice on Fox. He should have sat it out.

That's all I said. And you would have thought that I spit in all their faces, that I spit on their moms, that I made fun of their families and their children. I mean, it was disgusting the stuff that I was reading. It was very, very, very nasty. And, you know, it just made me proud to be a fan of a classy team, of a team that would never stoop this low, of a team that would never engage in this type of rhetoric

with a fan. You guys are literally supposed to be celebrating a World Series victory. Another one. Back to back, three in the last six years, and you're coming after me. What did I do? So I was just, I was actually blown away, and in fact, I heard from someone who I do have respect for, who I've interviewed before, Blake Snell, and I invited Blake and KK to come on the show to hash this out, but it's been crickets ever since. Could you believe that, Pizzie?

Crickets, I was gracious enough to invite them on my show. Give them the rub. Give them the platform. Hash this out. Here you are. Calling me a loser. You're too noble. You're too noble, mate.

I was, you know what I mean? I was appalled. I was appalled. The comments that I received, the nasty comments, the accusations, the insults, the insinuations, nasty. I was really, really upset. Offended. I'm sorry you had to go through this month. Insulted.

I'm sick and boy, I'd actually... Every single Dodgers blog was writing about it. Sports Illustrated writing about it. Everyone's writing about it. Could you believe that? Nah, disgusting fan base. Really disgusting. who acts this way

type of type of fan base that steals another team they stole them from Brooklyn in the middle of the night under their noses could you believe that

not engaging in gambling and things like that really not making could you imagine recycling I heard all of us rubbing our beer

because we're all disgusting but he doesn't turn on us here we're just the group project common is crazy isn't that this all started, or was it the parade thing? Was it being mad about the parade

plus Yeah, it was all one comment. You can't get an A on the project for just participating. And not liking the promo, it was a whole thing. I was watching Red Zone yesterday, and Joe... They mentioned the two? Joe Davis?

Yeah, they said, did you guys see what... O'Wanee had to say? What's the broadcaster's name? Joe... He was calling a football game yesterday. Joe Buck? No, no, no, no. The World Series guy.

Oh, I don't know. Joe Davis. Joe Davis. He was calling a football game, and Scott Hanson was like, ah, Joe Davis, the recently Emmy Award winning broadcast announcer. I got a big kick out of that. Yeah, no, I mean, listen, he's good, but I'm just saying Mike Breen. And then I have like some personal friends who are like, oh, yeah, I saw what you said about Joe Davis comparing him to Mike Green. Mike Breen will never get that chance anyway.

I'm like, okay, relax, all right, relax, relax with the pot shots. I'm taking a look real quick at Kiki's World Series stats real quick here. 28 at bats, two hits. I mean, that's not great. Oh, no, sorry, two runs five hits. Two runs, five hits. Excuse me. I take that back, Kiki.

One home run, three RBI. What does S.O stand for, G.C. S.O. That'd be strikeouts. That would be strikeouts. I'm seeing a fat 15 here. If I take a quick gander at the entire lineup, I see a 10 for Teasca Hernandez, an 11 for Max Muncie, a 6 for Tommy Edmund.

I believe he leads the team in strikeouts as far as this past World Series is concerned. A real, I mean, listen, who am I to judge? I think batting 179 is pretty good, right? Would you guys say batting? I am just glad after the vitriol that came your way, you decided to take the high road and do that. I'm proud of you. This was a moment for you.

There's no chance that the Dodgers aren't going to see, Dodgers fan base aren't going to see this and react again to it. No, they should be happy. So I'm looking at baseball reference. Baseball reference has something called CWPA, which as I hover over it, championship win probability added for offensive player.

Given average teams, this is the change in probability displayed in percentage points. A change of plus minus 100% would indicate one World Series win, added, or lost. What does that even mean? Meaning this is how impactful they are to a World Series. Oh, okay.

So what was his? Well, I'm seeing some numbers here, like Will Smith, 34%. Wow, that's high. Miguel Rojas, 13%. Shohei, 18.69%. Max Muncie 12. What is this? Minus...

Minus 27.44% for Kiki? I mean, minus 27.44. Do you think that's good? guys? I don't think based on the metric as you've described it, that that is a good number. I'm just, you know, would that all, like, would that all back up my A on the group project line? Would you think that would back it up?

What I'm insinuating by A on Group project is, like, you were a part of the team, but didn't do anything to warrant the ring, to warrant the championship to take part in the success, like you just kind of... You were just there, yeah. You rode their coattails. Did he start every game? uh it says seven games played i do believe yes i do believe but you know sometimes you know it's like based on the number as you've broken it down it was actually worse than that i actually

he's actually done he's taken away from the project he almost actually blew it in fact everyone thought that they were going to um that he like got hurt when they collided and he revealed afterwards that he was so distrapped because he screwed up and he missed the the fly ball that he was like putting his head and it was only pahas who told him like no i actually caught it like he actually thought for a minute that he had blown the World Series for his team because he misjudged the fly ball. Listen, I can't do what he does. But, you know, just as someone

who is watching, I just thought it was weird that he was talking so much as someone who didn't contribute. That's all. What do you guys think? Anyone? I'm just, this will be good to quell what's going on here. This is good. I'm glad you, I've glad you settled it and hashed everything. He's risen above

it again. Yeah, just do me favor of all you all you loser Dodger Twitter accounts get the name right credit us tag us and when you clip it off do the entire thing not just like a minute like last time include the part about Joe Davis include the part about you know like

the fly ball going over his head and all this like include the whole thing don't just clip off a minute and then repurpose it on all your your sad sack sites like do the whole thing like post the whole thing be you know be respectful to the process of crediting and sharing content that's all I ask

Anyway, Frank, do we have any Super Chats? Peace and love. Yes, we do. What do we got? What do we got? First one says, Rough riders off to the Great Cup, though, to ease the bills. Well, he's referring to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders

punching their ticket to the Great Cup for the first time in 12 years. I was watching on Saturday. It was a great win over the BC Lions. Problem is, know who they're facing? Do you know who they're playing on Sunday afternoon, late evening, early evening, 6 o'clock in Winnipeg. Do you know what they're playing guys?

Anyone know? Great Cup. 112th edition, I do believe. Anyone? James Tehuno? That would be the Montreal Alouettes. Oh, no. That was the second guess.

You guys going to partake? You're going to sprinkle? Yeah, for sure. It's a big game. Mm-hmm. Could you see? Are you falling apart in there? What else, Frankie?

Thank you, Ariel. Your hard work. That's demonstrated right now. dedication to us fans is very appreciated Ian and Cork Ireland. Shout out to Cork. We love Cork. Rebels. Up the Rebels. Who's the Rebels? Schleader.

The rebels. The rebels are Cork. They call themselves. Like a team over there? Yeah, they're great hurleds. Great, great football, yeah. Great sports people in general. Cork people. I was on Cork FM one time. Red FM? Yes, yes, yes.

I was on the radio over. open on that as well yeah uh what else frankie what else um so then we have a couple of blank ones okay thank you for the contribution one oh one oh one is really but this one you know 699 canadian is like six cents all right you're you're feeding the fund we don't know what the fund is but thank you for doing it okay we have one here actually this is a twofer okay if a aerial could please choose one of the following options a claire home money become CEO of the New York Knicks in 2040 and wins the NBA championship in her first season

or B, Walter and Oliver become joint CEOs of the bills of 2040 and win the Super Bowl in their first season. Oh God. I mean, why? Why do I have to choose one? Can I just not have... Can I have both and just be done with it? Be selfish here. Like, what's easier for you to get to Claire as Knicks CEO? I mean, that's a shorter commute for you

than... Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Claire being CEO in a male-dominated world, I think, would be pretty cool. Look at you. But she also would be like 21 at that point. Yeah, what is that? 15 years from now. Yeah, 15 plus 9.

I think she could do it. 34. Could you imagine? She'd probably be the youngest CEO in pro sports. Wait, no. Oh, yeah. 15 plus 9 is 24. She'd be the youngest CEO in all of pro sports.

There you go. That's kind of a big deal. This was the right answer. Another feather in the cap. Yeah. Although the other guys would be pretty young too. They're not that much older. The reason, it's just, it's so hard.

It's so hard to handle because now I'm thinking they're going to blow up the team, they're going to trade Josh. And I'm going to have to... Trade Josh? It's just, it's all so... What's going on? Can I ask one of this?

Can I ask one question? Yeah. Why are people talking about this with, like, the bills? Are they've missed the opportunity? Josh Allen's only 29. What, like, why does it need to be now? Because there were a few years there. Okay, let's talk about it.

There was the, okay, there was that first year. It was the 2021 season where they make it all the way to the conference championship and lose to the chiefs. But that was the one where it was like, this is a great story, and, you know, everyone's like, all right, you'll be okay. Then 22, 13 seconds, everyone thinks that that's the window, right? The next year, you play the Bengals, and you lay an egg.

When everyone thinks we're at home now, we're getting a second round game at home, you completely lay an egg. Josh is not himself. There's some talk that he was going through some stuff. Then you come back, you lose to the chiefs again, at home. the second time and then you come back and you lose to the Chiefs on the road in the AFC championship game. How many opportunities do you need?

Like the Bengals won and the 13th second one, which is now three, four years ago, I think are ones that are going to haunt us forever. And that's why I lot, even last year, they could have easily beaten that Chiefs team. But what I've said multiple times is I think that they have run

their course with this current coaching regime. We need a different look. how many times have we seen a team reach a certain level and just not get over that hump, make a change, and then get over the hump. They need a different look. That's it.

I would like for them to hire Brian Dayball who was just fired, the Giants head coach. He was our offensive coordinator, a part of those teams in 22 and 21. I would love for that. I'm understanding of all this, but you can't trade Josh. There's not a world where anybody trades Josh Allen.

There's no talk of Josh Allen, but it just feels like he's regressed this year and to not make a trade at the deadline for a wide receiver when the entire world knew that they had to do it. They need a shake-up. They said it's going to be a couple of weeks, hamstring. They got no one. They need a shake-up, but that all happens around Josh Allen.

Josh Allen's the-allon. I will ride Josh-on. Even the mistakes that Josh made yesterday, I don't even blame him. He's got no options. He's got no targets. He reset around-Jolmust about McNairbert going. now, Ariel, is that what the headlines today? It's starting to get a little bit louder, a little bit louder,

but really, like, the offensive coordinator, Joe Brady had an awful game. He has no, he has no targets. He's got nothing. He's got nothing to work with. He's got James Cook. That's it. It's very frustrating. You can't lose to the freaking two and seven dolphins. You just can't. And I don't buy this Patriots thing. I just don't. I'm sorry.

As in you don't buy them as a contender? We're better than them. Yeah, I agree. We're freaking better than these guys. I don't know if you're better, but I don't think the Patriots are are as good as their record. Colts are fine. Falcons should have beaten them yesterday. Thank you very much.

Connor. You guys should have won that game. What was that? Yeah, I mean, we do it every week. You let Jonathan Taylor just like waltz all over the place. Yeah, I mean, what do you want me to do? You know? Suit the fuck up.

You want to fly to Berlin? No, suit up, Connor. And teach him a lesson. Come on. I thought you were going to fly to Berlin. That wasn't the team we played two weeks ago. What happened to that team? You should have caught the team when we got embarrassed by the dolphins

or embarrassed by the Panthers. Or when we hang tough with the Colts and the Patriots We lost to The Colts in overtime and the Patriots by a missed extra point I mean it's Jekyll and Hyde We're ass Same old shit every year Eight games in we're out of the playoff hunt

This is what they mean by a window Pizzi Falcons had a window in like 2016 to 2018 And it's been shut ever since No playoffs in seven years Then people are like You don't sit in front of your TV for four hours Sunday after Sunday watching your shit franchise No I don't I don't

actually. Who is your franchise Peter? Browns? Well, I'm on bills this year. We both bet the bills this year so I'm on. Shout out to him. Yeah. I've also got a little sprinkle on ATL. That's not going on. And yeah, I just pick a different

team every year. I just love it, man. It's fucking class. I love it. I love watching the Falcons but it's because of the chaos of course. Yeah. What else, Frank? What else? I often rewatch fights for nostalgia but struggle to find the corresponding MMA hour episode, i.e. Rick reacting to Connor Aldo as he wasn't completely sold prior.

We'd love to revisit your real-time takes. Yeah, I've had a couple of people semi-clipped. I'm like, wow, why are you watching a July 2015 episode of the show? But then that means that they are available for this person to find. Oh, yeah, some of them. But there was that period there where we streamed the show on Bright Cove. and those have just disappeared I was very upset when they did that

for a brief period was Vox yeah it was Vox they said that they wanted to do them on Bridecove I was like what why are we doing this and so those have kind of disappeared and then some of our videos

like the Connor Walkin Talk premiered on Brightcove and I never understood I was like the world is on YouTube you only grow your audience if you're on YouTube and so we actually later on like maybe two years later uploaded the Dublin walk and talk. It was very strange. It was very, very strange. In any event, yeah, if people want to do

that, thank you. I appreciate it. What else, Frankie? What else? And lastly, asking for bonuses is absurd. Telling your story and asking for a quick turnaround is key. I'd never ask for a bonus. I'd ask for OT instead. Shout out, Frank. Yeah. Is he saying shout out Frank because that's something you would do? I'm not above asking for a bonus. Yeah. Don't we know it? I told you that in confidence. It was right there. It was right there. It was like.

Frank asked for a bonus. And because he asked, you were like, no, fuck off. Just like the UFC does. I'd never ask for a bonus. I'd ask for OT instead.

That is weird as well. Because you actually, like the bonus. Work more. Yeah, the bonus is just something given the OTF. I grind for my pay. There's a whole head on.

I'm going to keep the show going for another hour, okay? There's a whole subreddit where they just show people on LinkedIn. like say these absurd things like I didn't go to my brother's funeral because there was a quarter meeting that we had to do and I'm all about the client it's like what do you do?

Yeah, that's weird. I think I belong on that forum if I'm on it. Yeah. I never get sick though I come to the office. I think horribly sick. Never been sick so that can't happen. I don't tell anyone about it. If you know, it's called walking pneumonia? Yeah. That was a thing. You see the way my

immune system works, the way it's set up, there's a thing. Yeah, never been sick. Never experienced that wonder what it's like guys one last thing very quickly moses atama people very excited about him he is going to return january 24th that was announced this morning on the zone against germane franklin a bit of a surprise going from white to franklin especially when his name was mentioned with some other top dogs i'm happy it's not joseph parker but there you have it the magnificent seven some other good names on that card as well that's january 24th co-op live

in manchester speaking of of young studs, we'll have one in studio tomorrow, the pride of Georgia, Malcolm Wellmaker, not the country, the state. Joining us in studio tomorrow, very much excited about that conversation. What a stud he is, and he's fighting on that MSG card this Saturday. The aforementioned Chris Taco Padilla going to join us as well. And Mohamed Mukayev, who had a massive win over the weekend, he's going to join us too. So looking forward to those chats, in addition to everything else. that we shall be discussing.

But for now, it's time to go. Pride of Georgia. 1.35er. The machine. Malcolm Wormand. Yeah. Which part of Georgia again?

Augusta. Oh, yeah. Augusta. You don't really hear about a lot of people. Who's a famous athlete from Augusta, Georgia? To me, Augusta's claim... Patrick Reed. Who's that? He's a golfer who won the Masters? Oh, yeah.

Wait, he's from Augusta and he won the Masters? He played at Augusta State. Wow, I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah, before going to Georgia. Wow, that's like a real home game for him, right? Yeah, there ain't much in Augusta, man. There's Augusta National. Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Hershey Walker. Oh, there you go. You know this? Makes sense. I'm learning it now. Olympic gold medal winning hurdler Forest Towns. Shout out of the forest, bro. NFL cornerback Carlos, not to be confused with former Toronto Raptor,

Carlos Rogers? No, one on the same. Vaughn Taylor and retired NFL head coach Ken Wisenhunt. I don't see this gentleman that you're talking about. The Ken Wisenhunt. Yeah. And by the way, where's Malcolm Wellmaker on this list? I feel like he deserves to be on this list. Here's a here's, oh no, this is from Illinois. S.I. did a thing about the top. Okay, do you know who the number one athlete to hail from Georgia is, according to SI, in 1997? In 1997?

Like, they came out with this list in 97. Ty Cobb from Royston, Georgia. Legend. What a guy. Herschel Walker, number two. Number three, Bobby Jones.

Number four, Fran Tarkington. Number five, Walt Clyde Frazier. Shout out! Thank you very much to Leon Edwards' son and Josh Hawket. And Clarissa Shields. Thanks to them.

Thanks to them. Thanks to you. Back tomorrow. See, time. This is a piece.