The Ariel Helwani Show - Charles Oliveira, Joseph Parker, Jaime Munguia, Alexander Hernandez, On The Nose, more

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Ariel Helwani begins the show by answering your On The Nose questions, with topics including Andrew Tate, Mike Tyson vs. Floyd Mayweather, and more (05:37).Alexander Hernandez joins to preview his Noche UFC fight against Diego Ferreira, discuss his new nickname, the turning point in his career, and more (1:04:03).Charles Oliveira is back to announce his new collaboration with Project Rock, then look back at his loss to Ilia Topuria, look ahead to his matchup with Rafael Fiziev, and reveal details about his weight cuts (1:27:11).WBO interim heavyweight champion Joseph Parker joins to discuss his fight with Fabio Wardley, whether he thinks he’ll end up facing Oleksandr Usyk, and more (2:00:44).Ariel reacts to Amber Dixon of Vegas PBS’ interview with Dana White, in which White was asked questions about fighter pay (2:24:44).Jaime Munguia clears the air about his false positive test following the Bruce Surace fight, detailing the process of proving his innocence and the response from the boxing community (2:42:11).Ariel and the Boys in the Back wrap up with a few more On The Nose questions and Super Chats (3:16:08).

Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eriya, Hawaii Show. Back in your life on this Wednesday, September 10th, 2000. And 25, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. Welcome to the program. Welcome to a Wednesday show that we love, oh so very much. You know, we like to shoot on Wednesdays. You know there's a lot to talk about.

You know this Saturday is a very busy one in the world of combat sports. You know we are entering a very busy stretch. You know we have another jam-pack show for all of you, and it's been a great week so far. And so, as they say, back home, La Vita is Bella. There's much to discuss on today's here program. We do have four guests coming up. for fascinating individuals from around the world of combat sports.

Alexander Hernandez is going to join us at 2 Eastern, live from San Antonio, where he resides, also where he'll be fighting this weekend, Noche UFC. He's going up against Diego Feheada, a little bad blood there. He's been on a roll. He's won his last three in a row, and he's been quite active as of late as well. He just fought over in Chicago last month.

Been in the game for a long time, a straight shooter. We haven't talked to him in a while, so I'm looking forward to talking to Alexander Hernandez at about 2 Eastern. At 2.30, one of the most popular fighters in the history of the sport, Charles Dubronk Solivera, who returns to action on October the 11th. That's in Brazil. He's undefeated in Brazil, 6-0. He's going up against Rafael Fiziev. Looking forward to that fight very much. Looking forward to talking to him. time we saw him in action. The late June international fight week card, what was that? The 28th, the 29th of June, he lost to Ilya for the vacant title. A bit of a quick turnaround for him. Some

have been critical. Some eyebrows raised. He's returning before Tuporia even has a fight booked, but you know he likes to stay active. You know he likes to fight in Brazil, so not the biggest surprise. He did come out with some very exciting news, very recently, teaming up with Project Rock and Under Armour. We'll talk to him about that. So a lot going on in the world of Shazdu Bronx. We'll talk to him at 2.30 at 3 o'clock. The Big Oos himself, one of my favorites in the history of the game. The interim WBO heavyweight champion, the man that we thought would be fighting Alexander Usook next. He still might be next for Usoc, but his next fight isn't against Usik. It's on October 25th, the same day as UFC 321, unfortunately.

Same time frame as well, unfortunately, because his fight is over in the UK at the O2 in London, 321 in Abu Dhabi. Of course, I'm talking about Joseph Parker, the pride of New Zealand, the pride of Samoa, who is going up against Fabio Wardley, the interim WBA heavyweight champion. So it's interim versus interim, but no, you know, no vacant. title on the line or anything like that. No undisputed or anything like that. But a very big fight and a huge step up for Fabio coming off that big win over Justice Houni where he was losing for 98% of the fight, if not more. Massive opportunity for him and a bit of a risk for Parker because everyone thought that he was next, but he wants to be active and Usik's not

coming back anytime soon. Anyway, we are going to talk to Joseph Parker about how we got here and why he's taking this fight, all that and more. Then, at 3.30, Jaime Mungiya is going to join us. You may recall, Jaime Munga, this is a really, really interesting case. A sample came back positive. B sample came back positive. And then he was clear. This almost never happens.

Truly, almost never happens. But then he was cleared. Failed the post-fight drug test after his win over Bruno Sarras in early May in Riyadh. You'll recall he lost to Bruno Sarras in a shocker upset of the year in late 2024, December, to be exact. B sample came back positive as well. At that point, you're screwed. And now I'm reading this off of our site, a few months removed from the initial findings. Mungia has been cleared of any wrongdoing by the British Boxing Border Control, as well as the UK anti-doping, UKAD, who conducted all of the testing

for both fighters, and now he's good to go. So we're going to get down to the nitty gritty here with Heminguea and find out what's going on. He also trains with Eddie Raynosa. And when this news came out, Eddie Raynoso, in case you don't know, famed boxing trainer for the likes of Canella Alvarez and others, Ryan Garcia, too. Everyone was like, this whole team is dirty. And this is a stain on his legacy. And now he comes out. And it's no longer a stain because the win remains and he's not going to be suspended.

He also fought Canella last year, and then he joined the team. So there's a lot of ties to this big fight this weekend in Las Vegas, Allegiance Stadium. You know by now Netflix, they had the grand arrivals yesterday. All that and more we shall get into. But first, you know we like to shoot on Wednesday. So time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week. It is time. Yeah.

Yeah. Keeps going, keep going, keep going, guys. All right, let's start with Kevin from Ottawa, our nation's capital. And by the way, hello to the chat. Hope everyone's doing well on this Wednesday. Thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up. It's good to be alive. God bless you all.

Hey, Ariel, with all the talk about Andrew Tate recently, potentially fighting in boxing, can I please ask you to not have him on the show? It's one thing to talk about him considering he might be fighting. soon, but it's another thing to platform someone like him. I know the MMA space in general is full of questionable characters, but I don't think you've had anyone on the show in the past with a reputation as disgusting as his. Kevin. I always, I always, for lack of a better word, struggle with the word platform. Because some people call it platforming. I'm not addressing the Andrew Tate situation here for a second. Just,

you see sometimes people say, like, I can't believe you platform this person. And that's not how I view the show. I don't view it as a platform. I view it as covering. And again, I'll always go back to that Larry King interview with Yasser Arafat. I don't believe that journalism is just talking to people that you agree with, just talking to people that you have the same ideologies or you come from the same backgrounds. To me, that's not journalism. I believe in covering combat sports, covering sports. And so if someone someone's in the news, they're in the news. Whether I like them or not, whether I agree with their politics or not, whether I agree with how they conduct themselves, their past, their checkered resumes, their decisions on how they live their life, their criminal history. That's not how I view the show and that's not how I view journalism. I think in 2025, people view journalism in a very, very different way. They view journalism as, okay, if you are covering this, that means you're endorsing it. If you are talking about this, that means you, and in a positive way, that means you agree with

it or you back it or you're in somehow cahoots with it. It's just not, and I'm not, I haven't even thought about Andrew Tate. I haven't even thought about what I would say if someone asked me to have him on, but I just, I just think it's very interesting because it's been said to me before about other people. I don't remember who off the top of my head, maybe someone else does. It's like, you shouldn't give this guy a platform. You shouldn't platform this person. And that's not the way it should be. Someone said it to me very recently. Ali. No, I think it actually was about Andrew Tate when I was on vacation and I reported this and someone said, I can't believe you're covering or platforming this guy. I'm like,

that's not how journalism works. He's about to fight in a big organization and now we find out maybe about to fight Darren Till. What are we supposed to do? I didn't make the fight. I'm not endorsing him being in boxing, but it's still a big fight. Do we do we not talk about Mike Tyson? Mike Tyson went to jail. He's a convicted rapist. I don't know, it's a fascinating journalism discussion. I love these types of things. And I don't really know what the right answer is, but I lean towards, if it's in the news, it's in the news.

I don't lean towards, if it's, it's like, this is, this is kind, well, this really has nothing to do with it, but it was on my mind because I saw some people saying, we had the discussion about Nasr Diyanimov. And I might have said a 10 different, times. I'm not saying he shouldn't be next. I'm just saying a door has been open for Hernandez and RDR to walk in and potentially take that title shot away. He could have slammed that door shut and now the door is open. The pressure is now on them because if they have a lackluster

fight, I think the momentum shifts back to him and all this stuff. And the vast majority of the comments were, oh, you just hate Muslim fighters. Again, this same old, same old bullshit. And then I think back, and I'm not going to engage it, I'm like, I sat here in this chair passionately defending Hamza Tshimaev three weeks ago.

I sat here in this chair, passionately defending Mofov when he should have been next. God knows when. A year ago or two years ago, I passionately defended Bilal Muhammad. Like, these guys, I don't think like me. These guys don't come on the show. I don't view it that way. You guys view it that way. So what I'm trying to say is, like, you come up with these things like platforming or there's

bias. I really take this seriously. I take being unbiased seriously. Now I'm a human being and deep down inside, do we lean certain ways? I'm not saying I'm a robot without feelings or opinions and things like that. But I have to sit here and say, what's the biggest new? news, what's right, what's wrong. How do I cover this in the most unbiased, independent way possible? And so if Andrew Tade is fighting Darren Till, let me be clear. I think Andrew Tate is a shithead. Is that clear enough?

I don't agree with anything he says. From his politics to the way he talks about women, but I can't not talk about him or even talk to him. And I don't think he's coming on the show. and I have some I have some guesses as to why but the point is to me

if it's newsworthy it's newsworthy and I hate the fact that we have entered an era where news is covered via a lens of what you believe in and what you don't believe in or what you agree with and what you don't agree with do you guys get what I'm saying

I get what you're saying but I also do understand why that is because this show is a megaphone for combat sports, right? And so if you are applying a megaphone to somebody who has, look, let's say it right here very clearly, Andrew Tate does not need help getting messages out, saying anything. He has his own platforms. He is widely popular with a certain fan base of his, and he does not need help. But there is an amplification that can happen in terms of being on the show.

and the question of what you're essentially saying is the question of like right or wrong doesn't come into play when it comes to the newsworthiness right the journalistic portion of this if it's a story we cover it and we talk about it and we potentially do this but there is an argument on the other side of that which is if the if the course of the interview he is allowed to say things that are not necessarily aligned with the program the network the whatever it creates a this conflict and causes this kind of um this upset with people for giving that opportunity to do that again though like you have to put for ultimately for me i feel like the the trust has to be in the person right i trust you ariel hawani to not allow it to be that right that is not what i think you would want from it um and so i trust that it wouldn't be an opportunity for somebody like andrew chate to just espouse these ideas and have the megaphone and have the platform to be able to do that again he has his own platforms they're major it's not necessarily that kind of like exchange but i do understand why there's a thought that the media has an opportunity to do that

but to me that trust and that understanding of the responsibility there has to fall on the person has to fall on the show has to fall on the platform and to me i trust you so i would never feel like we'd be put in that position ultimately yeah it's a tough one man because like i wouldn't have someone like him on. And again, I haven't thought about this for a second, truly, because as I said to Darren, I don't think someone like Andrew Tate is going to fight Darren Till. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but I thought this was going to be like, if he did fight, I thought it would be a tomato can, just to make himself look good, right? You go in there against Darren Till. Darren Till is probably going to knock you out based on how he's fighting. So what's the

upside? What does he need this for? Anyway, if he came on the show, I'm talking to him about why he's doing this. I'm not talking to him about how you think women should be treated and why you talk about them. Now, there might be questions obviously about his legal issues, his arrests, all this stuff, ongoing legal issues, by the way, to the best of my knowledge, nothing that's just sort of been done and he can move on with. So, I don't know. I mean, like, there's a lot of shitty people in MMA. There's a lot of shitty people in MMA. And there's a lot of people that I don't agree with what they believe in. And there's a lot of people that I know

don't agree with what I believe in. Here's a perfect example. I know, like, when it comes to the Middle East, I know how Muhammad Mikhail feels. Muhammad Mikhailov went out and tweeted that he would never come on my show. Remember that? And the moment he reached out to me,

I said, yeah, sure, you could come on. I'm happy to have you on. That's just how, I could have used it. Like, does my life change if Muhammad Mikhail comes on my show? Does my life change if Hamzad comes on or Imavov comes on or Evloev comes on or Islam comes on? Yeah, you get a spike here and then you're back to normal. Some of those guys, you don't even get the spike.

Do you get what I'm saying? But I cover the news. I cover the news. I cover what's going on. If you could have it your way, you talk to everybody. You talk to all of that. Even the dudes I don't agree with, because they are in the news. That's how I view it.

And it's not like I'm trying to, again, then these terms like clout chase or this. No, you did something that is newsworthy. You fought in a big fight. You had a big win. You were in a big spot. This is the show that talks about news, big moments, big wins. Here's an invitation. You don't want to come on. We'll talk about you. And that's that. That's just the format of the show. It's an interview, heavy show. It's a guest-based show, guest-driven show. So I don't know. Here's what the question I believe boils down to, and I'm putting you a little bit on the spot, and I don't know if you've ever thought about this. Is there anybody who did not deserve to be interviewed? Is there a person in the world who's ever existed that you would say there is not a forum for them to be able to be interviewed? That we had, that we eventually had, that I regretted? No, in the world, like ever. Yeah, of course.

And so then the question becomes who determines that line, and that is the crux. Well, anyone, like any walk of life? Anybody. Yeah, the dude at the bus stop doesn't deserve to be interviewed on this show. No, no, no. Not this show. Media, right? As journalistic exercise, is there a person who should not be interviewed?

Because they're shitheads? For any reason. If the answer is yes, then ultimately, now who becomes the arbiter of that line? and that becomes the crux of the conversation, right? How do we determine whether anybody deserves to be interviewed or not? And that becomes kind of the difficult conversation around it all. I'll just say I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. And to me, the common denominator is like, is combat sports.

I don't ask, like, who did you vote for, this and that? Now, the conversation could go in that direction. It irks me when someone you, like, the reason I got mad at Bryce Mitchell was because he used the show as a platform to talk nonsense, in my opinion. Like, you clearly had a plan and you were going to try to hijack the show and take it in a different direction. Now, I think I did a fine job of trying to, like, banter and things like that and try to steer it back. But ultimately, I didn't ask you those questions. You used the airtime to go off another shit. I feel like I'm pretty lenient when it comes to these things. You want to

to come on and talk about stuff. You want to crack jokes. You want to get wild. You want to get a little kooky. Great. But from the text that he sent me beforehand, which is like, are we live? And the things that he was saying, are we going to be live and all that? I'm like, oh, okay, you had an agenda here. You wanted, you showed up with the guns. You wanted to talk about Sandy Hook. You wanted to talk about COVID. You wanted to talk about this nonsense that said, I don't want to talk to you about. You could talk to someone else about it. And I already know how you feel about these things. But I'm still having you on to talk about your fight career. And I'm sort of trying to like ignore all of that because you are a figure. This is a great like MMA beat type of conversation. And I don't even know

what the right answer is. I enjoy these types of conversations. And again, I don't even know what I would say if someone said, hey, do you want to have Andrew Tate on? I don't know. I haven't thought of it. Because I never really believed that this was a real thing. But let's see. Let's see. It's a question, I appreciate you asking it. I don't know what my answer is, but I just hope that you guys understand how I view the show and how I view journalism as opposed to how people on the internet talk about journalism and they confuse it with platforming and endorsing and subscribing to and things like that. I don't do that. So not everyone that comes on the show, not everyone that I talk to or talk about. I hope you know aren't people that I necessarily agree with, but I think

we do a good enough job of compartmentalizing all of that. Abbey. Hello, Ariel. When Aspinol versus Jones was still in talks, I recall there wasn't much appetite from the crew for Aspinol versus Gan, understandably. Curious to know what's changed. I really feel this is actually a 50-50 fight.

I don't know if I ever said that. I mean, obviously, Aspinall v. Jones is infinitely more interesting than Aspinall v. Gan. I mean, just because it's John Freakin' Jones. but I don't remember any of us saying if they don't make this fight I hope they don't make that fight in fact what I remember

correct me if I'm getting this wrong us saying if it's not Jones it's probably going to be gone and we're okay with that because Aspinall just goes back to work did anyone say otherwise was anyone on this Volkov train

no I thought Volkov won the fight with gone but because he wasn't awarded that I knew they would give it to gone but didn't we all Didn't we all say, like, the gone fight had more history behind it and all that, and there was more beef there, and... I don't think anybody said Volkov over Gone at all. Like, we're all fine with Gone. I don't think it's a great fight, but I... I have no problem with the fight. It's fine. Getting back to work, he's a name.

Like Tom said, who else was he going to fight? Right. And by the way, forget about Tom for a second. There's a story with Gone, too. This is kind of his last shot. Yeah. This is Joseph Benavides, Uriah Faber. This is... Maybe. I mean... Also, like the argument in there soon. The argument against Volkov, which we've mentioned several times, is like Tom Aspinall has finished Volkov in the first round. Oh, yeah, that's the other thing. That's an important factor. Yeah, like that is part of this. Kevin.

Hey, Ariel, I wanted to write in about the great conversation you had with Rampage Jackson last week. I thought it was a great conversation. You asked the questions that I believe everyone wanted answered. Even you pushing back on him saying he wanted his son in jail. Afterwards, you asked, how could a parent turn their back on a child in a time of need? I 100% agree with Rampage on this. Seems like Raja went against his father's advice, and as Rampage said, he ruined my name.

I say this extremely respectfully. I think you have a blind spot on this. I only say this as someone who hasn't spoken to one of my parents in 11 years because of selfish decisions, poor choices, and a stubbornness you can't imagine. I also have family members who constantly run over their parents with no regard for their parents whatsoever. So I can understand why Rampage is handling the situation the way it is. Shout out to the BITB. And thank you, Ariel, and crew, for the great content Monday through Friday and occasionally on Saturdays. I appreciate that.

Maybe I'm coming from a position of, thank God, I have a great relationship with my parents, and so I can't wrap my head around it, but perhaps if I was in a situation where something happened and someone had to be cut off, I could understand it. To me, though, I could only put myself in my own shoes and say, you know, God forbid, I was ever put in a position that Rampage was in. He's right. He didn't do anything. He didn't sit there.

there and tell his son to go into the ring and all that stuff. Now, we could go further and be like, oh, did you verbally abuse him? Did you embarrass him to get them to this point? Who the hell knows? He says that's the relationship and all was good. You know, I think I would be there for my son. And I think I would have a very hard time not talking to them in their time of need. I would have a very hard time, quote unquote, cutting them off. But everyone's different. So I understand where you're coming from. I think some people had an issue with Rampage saying something to the effect of like he, you know, he disrespected my name and all that.

And then it's like, well, it's not about you. It's about him. He's a grown man. He's 25. He's not six. Rampage isn't wrong because every article about this story was Rampage Jackson's son. But ultimately, like, That's the burden you take on as a parent.

Yes, your kids' actions do reflect on you. And by the way, your actions reflect on your kids, too. If you did something stupid, your kids would hear about it. So I understand it. All I was saying was, I don't think I would do it, and I was just questioning how he gets to that decision. Christian. Hello, AH, Ariel, why haven't you spoken more on the Mike Tyson v. Floyd Mayweather fight? It came out on Thursday night, and I just kind of looked at it and thought,

again, honestly, I didn't think it was real. I'm still not even sure it's real. The company that is promoting it, I've never heard of. Now, Rick told me he has heard of it. You told me you have heard of it, right? Yes, we used to work with them back when I was working with Glory. They were a news media arm as well as a streamer. C-S-I-Sports slash fight sports. Yeah. What is this?

Do we think this is a real thing? Does this fight happen? That I don't think, no, but I'm telling you they were a legitimate. The real thing or does it happen? It does not happen. Yeah, I just don't. They're a legitimate company. They've been around for quite a while.

And by the way, I'm not trying to do the thing where it's like, oh, these guys shouldn't be fighting. Like, look, I was a part of the broadcast. Again, I was a part of the broadcast for Jake and Tyson and, you know, some people like the likes of Carl Frotch viewed that as an endorsement. Like, look, man, I'm just working. It's a big opportunity to be on Netflix. I didn't put the fight together. I'm not paying these guys. So, you know, let's chill out.

But, all right, I'm not going to poo this. I just don't know what CSI is. and the way it was presented made me think that there was like a secondary press release to come that they'll be involved in like some sort of like virtual boxing thing like it just didn't seem real

you know why it didn't seem real I'll tell you why there's no date attached to it there's no venue attached to it forget rules exhibition not exhibition weight I mean here's a guy who fight a heavyweight fighting a forget all that these things can get figured out

the fine details the fact that it was announced, why announced something with no date or location attached to it? What's the point? Unless you're just trying to get people excited and trying to get them, you know, trying to get some investors or something like that. But maybe also testing the waters. If the response is overwhelmingly positive, maybe you go, okay, we move forward. If the response is muted or negative, maybe you go, okay, we're not going to actually do this. You know, you lob it out there as a way to pull the public and then make an adjustment.

You don't think it happens. I do not think it happens. I just don't think there will be enough interest. I don't think, I know they have huge name value. There's zero, after the last performance by Mike Tyson against Jake Paul, I don't think there's going to be interest in seeing Mike Tyson do that again. I think if this came, if this match was made on the heels of Mike Tyson versus Roy Jones Jr., I think, think this would be blockbuster. I think people would be falling over themselves to consume this. After the Jake Paul version of Mike Tyson, I don't think anybody's going to be interested.

Tyson will be close to 60 by the time this happened. And Mayweather has been out of the spotlight for a lot longer now. I don't think there's interest in it. Does it happen, G.C.? No. Which has more of a chance of happening, Connor. White House card? Or White House card seems to be happening. I got to eat my curl on that one. It's tough. Tyson Floyd No chance Also even if it does happen It's just like

Who really cares Yeah Like it's not them at their highest level It's an exhibition Everybody will clown on it when it eventually does happen Tyson Jones There is a way that exhibitions can be fun Tyson versus Roy Jones was actually

Like the best version of that Right an exhibition that like I thought Was exciting Delivered for the fans But also that was so long ago for Mike Tyson. The version that we saw against Jake Paul just can't do it anymore. The version that we saw against Jake Paul just can't do it anymore.

It gets the guy around his size, too. Floyd Mayweather is not that. Roy's pretty small. So, so. No, not as small as Floyd though. Roy fought at heavyweight at one time. Yeah, Floyd is very special. Mike Roy was super interesting.

A, it was in the, you know, very kind of early stages of the pandemic. Yeah. Eight months in, but, you know, we were still kind of dark and depressed at that point. And like Tyson-end fought, it was nostalgic. Jake, it was Roy. Okay, so I got the appeal. I got the appeal of Jake because he was so much younger and he's, you know, a novice compared to Tyson. I don't know, okay, now what's the appeal here? You know what I mean? Two of the greatest boxers ever to fight each other. Just, yeah, I feel like we just saw that with Tyson and Roy. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind of the same hook. I feel like Tyson and Roy didn't have the same, like, vast reach that Jake Paul versus. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, but I was saying, like we checked that one off with you. Right. I said, Roy. Then we have the Jake thing. Okay, now what's the, what is anyone, I don't know.

Floyd finds his way into these exhibition. He does, he does. It's quite often. I will say that video of him on the plane with the money, I was like, oh, fuck, we haven't seen this version of Floyd in a while, like this, this cocky, rich version of him. I do miss that version of him. Floyd Mayweather, the number one all-time bad getter, undisputed. I'd rather see Floyd versus Mani at this point after that many performance.

Oh, hell yeah, yeah. 10x, 100x. I would rather see that. Don't make it an exhibition. Rick Hall. Hey, Ariel and the boys in the back. Are you registering for the 2026 World Cup tickets? Registration starts today.

A lot of the games in the Northeast can't wait to see a month's worth of Fight Feast World Cup Series. It's not a bad idea. I haven't looked into the registration. I did look into like the dates. And there's the first weekend. There's Toronto, Philly, Jersey. And I told my kids like, man, Toronto's for sure going to be Canada, I would think. And then, you know, Philly Jersey are pretty close to each other.

I would love to do it. But now I'm starting to get worried. I'm seeing all these videos about how the ticket prices are going to be insane. So I don't know. I'm trying to go. You're trying to go to everything? I'm trying to kind of like circle my son around. Like, my brother lives out in San Francisco, go to a game there, drive up the coast of Vancouver to a game.

Have to go to a game here in New York. They got some games in Atlanta. Yeah, I will be sick. I will be attending one, if not multiple World Cup games, though. No doubt about it. ever been to a World Cup game. No, no, no. I mean, I haven't been traveling when it's going on, and we, last time we got one will be, what, 32 years? Yes, I was there. Oh, have you ever been the World Cup game, man? Thank you for asking. There you go. Argentina, Nigeria, no big deal.

Oh, we all remember Argentina, Nigeria 94. Actually, it's a very historic game. Maradona's last World Cup game. How could I forget? He was taken off the field because he was, he popped positive. I agree. It's one of the all-time classics. Removed. Middle of the game? Swear to God. They came out there? Yes. Hey, Diego, you tested positive. You think I'm joking.

They were like, come on. Okay, look it up. Did they reach out there with like a giant pull with a hook on the end and grab him by the neck? He disappeared and never played again. a la Antonio Brown? Something like that. I don't get the reference. The wave?

What? The Antonio Brown leaving in the middle of the game for the last time we ever saw him? No. Took off the jersey? Waves everything. Running down the sideline? Like two years ago. Retired.

Midgame. Is this the same guy who hosts CTEESPN? Yeah, that guy. The founder of CTEESPN. And various blanks of the month. Yes, yes. The other one. He'll in the blank of the month.

Hardout 345 says, The only thing G.C. says more than shout out is I was going to say. The only thing Ariel says more than it didn't sound right when I said it is, is he here? I was going to say, is he here? It'll never be worse than Brian Bad. know what I'm saying. Someone, I mean, that's impossible to top. By the way, I actually thought like the first half of, when was he on yesterday?

No, Monday. I actually thought he was like trying to not say it. There's like a guarantee he's going to say it. Someone commented, someone commented on boys in the back last week. They said it was like Eric ultimately Jackman. I didn't even know about this one. Ultimately. Ultimately.

I feel like we got it. With this. Anytime we say something more than once, the comments will be like, our name, middle name, something we said more than once last name. The worst is that you brought it up to Brian and he admitted that it's like a tick and that it gets worse when people bring it out to him because he's like trying extra hard to not say it. And then you know what I'm saying? Shout out is a bit of a tick. I think he was. By the way, who started Shout Out?

Keep my full name. I feel like I cribbed it from. I thought I started it. No, I feel like I'm not going to lie. I was going to say, I thought I said it. No, Deezes and Merro, and then I just like turned it into my vernacular and just shout out as just... Wait, wait, you're saying you started it?

I'm almost 100% sure. I started it. I was like 99% sure I started. I always say shout out to this guy, shout out to that guy. Yeah, I feel like you took that from me, though. Wow. You took that from me. Wait, you, this whole time...

Shout out to the shout out. We all thought we were the originator. I was going to make merch shout out. with like the nose. Oh, that's a 100% BITB. We would have taken you to court for sure.

That would have been a copyrighted. Wow! I'm actually flabbergasted right now. What if I told you I already patented? Wow. All right. Lithuania's own. Oh, by the way, what happened

in the Eurobasket schedule? Did Lithuania win? Germany, Slovenia. Wow, Finland has advanced. That's great. Wait a second. Is that true? Call up Modestis Pukascus.

Yeah. who who Finland won and what about Lithuania it lost the group oh yeah yeah no sorry

fair enough how about Norwegian soccer hey on fire hell yeah Holland what happens to my what happens to my question

okay Bill's money line was the last leg of a four leg parlay and I went to shower during the biggest lead for the Ravens

but left the TV on came out and to my surprise you can imagine that I couldn't believe my eyes I thought how Josh Allen is really him

Don't kiss the trophy, Unk He is him Nobody reacted to that TikTok That I sent in the group chat yesterday I thought that was fucking incredible He's a man Everything about him is a man I adore that guy

I said the TikTok A guy saying like It was like him doing a parody And he's Josh Allen And it was like Oh we're down 100 points with three minutes to go No with 35 seconds to go What am I going to do with the extra five seconds

And then just like more Josh Allen Like lore building Not even how Wani reacted to, I was pretty... It was something else going on at the same time. What? I don't remember, but it was something. Something important. Disgusting.

No, no, no. We were reacting to... I have been completely silent on all this Bulls'Rah-Raw bullshit. Like, I really don't participate when you guys are going over the top. I finally was like, all right, let me like... Yeah, get my toe in the water here, throw this out there. Nothing. Oh, I know.

You were not here for me. You were reacting. You sent it, and then Jordan sent something about the grand arrivals, and we were... react. Oh, yeah. The fucking grand arrivals. Grand arrivals

buried in it. And they were quite grand. They were so good. And then we got into the... They were grand. Then we got into the Yankees choking, giving up nine runs. Yeah, you can't appreciate the...

And then we got into the Jay's coming around. It's fine. It's fine. It was... Even now. Even now. I'm trying to get in and then you guys are talking bullshit. That's all right.

No more. Not for me. You'll hear something? Yeah. Do you think of that TikTok you're talking about? No,

fuck you. Hey, Rick, this is from Beef Wellington. Have you seen any new horror movies recently? Bring her back, Weapons together. Curse your thoughts on any.

I only saw bring her back insane. Same directors as talk to me. Yes, have seen all three of those. Liked all three very much. My favorite being weapons. I think Weapons is up there with sinners for the best of the year. So go see Weapons,

Zach Krieger. Incredible movie. Not as like jump-skirts. scary pure horror as barbarian, which was his first effort that everybody loved and was a smash sensation.

But just as good a film, if not better, in my opinion. And really, really unique, doing unique things in horror. So love all three of those, actually. Three great movies. Dave Franco and Alison Brie piloting together. Great movie as well.

Should we start a sort of like uncrowned movie pod? All right, so Rick goes and sees every single movie that comes out from K-pop Demon Hunters all the way to the shittiest scary movie that ever comes out. And he's always like, yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it was fun. Oh, man, I loved that. No matter how shitty the movie is, he'll always be like, no, it's actually a pretty good movie.

And then you ask him about critically acclaimed award-winning movies, like a Lord of the Rings. And he's like, dog shit. It's complete dog shit. Oh, did you see Harry Potter? Oh, yeah, it was so great until they made the movies, and then it was dog shit. It's just like, man, did you see Kill Me Now, 17? And he's like, it was actually pretty good. Yeah, it was pretty good.

A cinematography. Oh, the cinematography. The lighting. Oh, I resemble that remark. That's fantastic and accurate. Lord of the Ring sucks. I'm reading the books now. Do you listen to the K-pop soundtrack with your kids?

My girls, not, my two-year-old son. My two-year-old son hums golden, and he doesn't know how to speak yet. He can't form words. Is that the one with the huh? I was afraid. Yes. We're going up up, up. I've never seen I only know this because he walks around singing it. So good.

I saw a girl walking around like a five-year-old girl walking around the city head to toe It's going to be the number one costume. Yeah, man I supported you by spending your guy, Buck Martinez, talking shit about my Yankees, which he's done I think 75 days out of the season. My older daughter, Avery is already ordering the roomie wig. She's amazing.

He's like I asked him about this and I was just like oh is it like strictly for kids He's like I was an adult you could definitely enjoy There's a lot of cinematic factors that you could seriously enjoy And the soundtrack is brilliant And then Lord of the Rings he's just like dog shit They didn't even try Scarface shit

Chase Burns what's up our island crew Do you know if there is a time during the pay-per-view events When they specifically show the names on the canvas This is I can't believe this guy's asking me this Because just this past Saturday When they were like scanning the octagon and I saw the names. I was like, who's paying for this?

They never actually show the names. You cannot see it. Unless they give it to you afterwards, they cut it up or they send you a picture. I don't know how much it costs. I found out that my friends went together to get my name on the canvas for 320, so I'm hoping to get a chance

to actually see it during the show without watching every second of the broadcast between fights. I got bad news. I don't know if you're ever going to see it. I believe they do send it out. I believe they send out. Okay, they send it out,

They don't show it during the broadcast. No, no, they don't say, hey, thanks to Michael Smith of Rockford, Illinois. The one they zoom in on is your name so that they can do the promo. No. Oh. Quotes, in quote, your name, so that they can do the promo to say, your name can be right here. Oh, your name. And then they show that one.

Michael Smith from Rockford, Illinois is watching right now, and he's like, hey. Who me? I was just waiting if Frank was going to do the whomie, but. He's a son. No, no. Do you think if I paid, by the way, how much is it? A thousand. Thousand?

Yeah, but then they cut it off and put it on a frame for you and send it. Are you shrugging, that's it? No, no, no. I'm saying, are there tears? No. Okay, so do you think if I paid my thousand, they put my name? Yeah, because I think they could also assume that maybe someone was doing it as a prank, but they're just like, all right, $1,000.

Thanks for the grand, bro. Right, that's a good point. And it will never be shown in the broadcasts. He'll never see it. They'll come in prematurely and, like, pour fake blood on it. Now, the real flex would be if you got every single slot for an event and your name was littered around. That actually wouldn't be a flex because they would be like, oh, yeah, it's so funny. His name's littered around it.

He paid us $300,000 for that. I guess that's ad space, though. Yeah. How many spots are there? they're so small there's got to be a lot like they're legit using like six who's winning in that arrangement me getting my name on the canvas

or them getting my money UFC getting yeah them big time and then you would get a thousand plaques with your name on it give them out holidays here you go oh you didn't know I was in the canvas I bought the entire canvas at UFC

301 Pantosia are we to sign this for you oh you bought the entire canvas no actually what I really bought was like my name like in really really small all the way around it's oh they dropped it must have been selling

I'll get to I'll take two yeah does that mean they weren't selling them out and they were putting fake names down to make it appear filled yeah that's true your name here

this sounds familiar you only get the your name you don't get oh god what sounds familiar frank i just made the same joke a few weeks ago uh nari asks hi ariel since you've become such a cultured and refined gentleman after your trip to italy chowdaegats so i thought it would be best for you to know that finland is not considered part of scandinavia but is in fact a nordic country did i say that

i don't think that was me i think that was someone else who me Scandinavia specifically refers to the countries of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, which share a common linguistic and historical heritage rooted in the North Germanic languages, while a part of Finland is on the Scandinavian peninsula, it is distinct Fino-Ugric language and separate history from the Scandinavian kingdoms excluded as part of Scandinavia, not trying to be pedantic, but rather just a homie trying to stop a refined homie from looking the fool. consider this knowledge my gift in return

for the Panini to Panino Facts. Thank you, Nari. Much love from Finland. The home of Ludwig Borga. Wow, shout out Ludwig Borga. No. I think I butchered his name. Yeah, Borga. Former WWF wrestler who then became a politician

in Finland. Legend. P.S. If Andrew Tate is as alpha as he says, then he should prove it to the world and fight till. We don't care. Ian from Wiggin. Or is it Ian from Wigan? I don't think so.

I think it's Ian from Wigan. Hello, Ariel and Crew. Long time since writing a question. Welcome back. But have you guys seen the new Naked Gun movie with all the UFC and WW cameos plus Gagee versus Usman at the end of the movie? Yo, no spoilers, bro.

I've not seen it. Rick has seen it. Is it good? I missed it. What did I see? Naked Gun. I have seen it. It's great.

Was it good? Yeah. I've not seen it. I will say this. If you are not a fan of the original films, Like if you, if that's not going to touch a nostalgia bone for you, then you might hate it. It might not be your couple. I'd like to see it.

Have you all seen an airplane? Yes, many times. Oh, yeah. Love it. Yeah, I was talking to someone who had no idea what Nicky John is or any of the airplanes or who Leslie Nielsen is. No, they're in their 30s. I was like, what? Yeah, I get discounted out this period.

And then you get like a little frame of the picture of the octagon and your name. I can't believe that we haven't done this. I would like to see it, but as you guys know, I'm not a big movie goer. Every time I see an ad, I saw the. extended trailer for the smash machine yesterday. I just can't wait to see that movie. Can we? And we were talking about this. The show on the broadcast when they send you like the... Last time I saw the doc was probably

2001 or something, or 2000 when it came out. I kind of feel like the move is watch the doc, then go watch the movie. Refresh my memory. But you guys disagree. Watch the movie. Allow yourself to have forgotten things about the documentary. Experience the acting performances. And then you can go back and watch the dog. I kind of want to see how close it. It is.

But then you're just doing an academic exercise not enjoying a film. It's distracting. You can see how close they were on the reverse of that and it'll also be cool to be like, wow,

this is what it really looked like. This is crazy. Instead of going from the actual Mark Kerr to the Rock Marquer who's a little goofy, but I'll probably... You will suspend your disbelief

better if you don't watch the doc first. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't want to know the things that they left out. They're definitely going to leave some things out.

And I'll all say, and perhaps we could clip this off and tagged the man. If you guys remember when I shot my shot with The Rock, way back in the day, 2019, ESPN era, it was because I was live tweeting when they made the announcement prior to the MSG card, 241, 44, whatever it was,

I think it was 44, when he announced that he'd be doing this movie. It was November of 2019, had the big announcement. He was a part of the BMF title fight, all that stuff. And then some six or so days later, he replied to the tweet. I was just in attendance, saying like the Rock has announced that he got the rights to smashing machine and I was doing the live tweet thing. And then he, he responded to it and said, thanks for the coverage. But it was five or six days later. And then I shot my shot and said,

hey, I host this show. Why don't you come on? And it was crazy because he then replied right away and said, yeah, sure, we'll be in touch. And then within an hour, I had an email in my inbox from his team, like laying out how this is going to work. He said it was the first time he was on a live podcast. All I'm saying is six years later, Rocky, let's complete the circle here. You came on when the film was announced. Let's come on to promote the film. What do you say? What do you say, Rocky? Do it for the little guy. A lot of change in our life since then. It's critically acclaimed. We're big supporters, big fans. Come on the program. Let's have a chat. What do you guys say? You think he does it? Yeah, come on, Rock.

That was a big show. That was such a great show because I think we had the Rock. Nick Diaz on that show, the pre-tape at 1am at the ESPNC Port Studios. It was insane. Yeah, they killed it. Rose, her number got leaked. It was a mess. But it was also great.

Also, by the way, Ian says, P.S., the Panini F.L. PFL, PFL, Panini FL segment was fantastic. we need it as a regular slot. Let's go. I can do it every day if you guys want, but we're not doing it for free. That was a little, that was a quid pro quo. Revolting blob asks, would you ever consider having Caposa on as a guest? Absolutely. We've asked them to come on in many way, shapes, and forms, but... The real question is, would Caposa ever consider coming on as a game? No, I don't think so. He's turned us down. Yeah, I don't think you would either.

He's an enigma. We don't even know his real name. I like it like that. Barely Paris says, Hello, Ariel. What does 6-7 mean? Honestly, I have no idea. So I'll tell you a funny thing about this 6-7.

I was, I was, I think I kind of heard my kids talking about it like a month or so ago. Then when we were on vacation, I was counting our luggage, and I'm going one, two, three, you know, like, and they're all scattered. And my son, Walter, in the midst of that,

goes 6, 7, and I'm like, why'd you have to freaking, you know, you distracted me, you know? And then he tells me, he's like, no, I was just doing the six, seven thing. And then I saw the Brian Dayball six, seven thing. And now I'm starting to hear everyone say six, seven. And then I looked it up last week. And I'm still not quite sure because they told me it was in reference to a lamello ball thing. But then it was in reference to some rapper and where he lives in Chicago.

I don't understand how this became a thing. I know it's a thing that, you know, kids say and they have their own language. like, you know, we went from the, um, the skibbity, like the, the brain rot stuff to now just a language where it's, you know, aura and Riz and, um, sold, you set, you're selling and you're cooked and all this stuff. And six, seven isn't really a part of that, but it's sort of a part of it because they say it. I don't know. It's all very confusing. I don't really know. Do you guys know what six seven is? I'm aware of it, but I have never cared to look into the, the origin of it

And then Jim Nance said it That's how you know It's completely Stump the shark and washed It doesn't it gives a fuck anymore Yeah Do you know what it is GC Once ultimately people are

I'm with Rick I'm aware that it's a thing But I don't Like I wouldn't know when to say it Yeah Yeah Never is the answer Yeah

What an interview that was Oh I remember that Yeah kids these days They have their own This always happens There's always I don't remember us Having a language

Nah you did What A language Dude, you definitely did. Are you guys familiar with the legendary ballerina cappuccina? No. No, man, I'm fucking 32 years old. Bro, you're not familiar with Italian brain rot.

No. There's an Italian brain rot, and there's a character called ballerina cappuccina, and it's all like, you don't know about this. Dude, no, I don't know about this. Don't actually surprise, man. Because it would have been on TikTok for me, but I have not seen a ballerna cappuccina. You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, in fact, I just want to say...

More wrong about what? About... Yeah, what are we wrong about, man? We don't know about these senseless teenage trends? This is not teenage. It's actually probably... Nobody is saying that it doesn't exist and you're not telling us... I just don't say I don't give a fuck.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, chill, bro. The Bills did something on it. Oh, no wonder he knows about it. He got it from... That's ballerina cappuccina. So they showed pictures. Italian brain rat. Who do you think this is?

And then they show pictures. Oh, that's ballerina cappuccino. Wait, I think I may have seen. What is the actual ballerina cappuccino? Oh, that's her? Yeah, and then there's another one. That's a chimpanzee banana-ne. Mojo-Jo-Jo, that's powder puffed.

Champanzini banana. Oh, this guy. That's Charlie Liro, tra-lal-la-la-la-la. I'm glad I don't know what this is. Now that I've seen this video, I'm very glad I asked. So the pictures came up and I asked my kids and they knew all of them. Of course they do, man. They're teenagers.

They're on trend. They know what's going on. Mikey Z asks, do you think Roger Jackson hasn't been arrested due to some sort of waiver they all might have signed? Maybe because Stu hasn't pressed charges. Also, when it's all said and done, do you think his MMA career is over or is there a world where he could see where he could fight again?

I mean, of course he can fight again. Also, he hadn't fought in two years and he only fought once. I am no legal expert I'm a little surprised there hasn't been an arrest but it sounds like everyone was saying in the aftermath there won't be one I feel like he will be back in MMA or wrestling for sure

just consider what Chal Sondon said when Craig was looking for somebody to fill in CJI he said first name that I would have thought of was Raja Jackson somebody else will have that thought too Yeah. The story has kind of died down a little bit. My sister-in-law was actually reading the New York Post and showed me that we were on page two of the New York Post, a little blurb, Rampage talking about cutting off his son. Could you believe that?

Like, literally, you open the post and there it is. Right next to some sort of Titanic star talking about her jeans or something like that. The Star of Titanic. Yeah. So, I don't know. Everyone went crazy over it, and I don't know. But yes, he's going to pop up again, and he'll capitalize. Maybe he'll be on some sort of like surreal life or something.

Do they still do those shows? I don't think so. No. Jeremy, hi, Ariel. Always loved your insights behind the scenes. Therefore, I'm sad you don't answer these questions anymore. And still, I'll try. I try to answer as many as possible.

What's the story regarding John Jones's management? Kawa brother, Richard Schaefer, back to the Kawa's. He's with the Kawa's. He's with the Kawa's. He's with Abe in particular. Him and Malki, not as close, but Abe and him are very tight. And another try, due to the recent news, why hasn't Brian Ortega been on the show in recent years

and what's your relationship with him? I have no issues with Brian Ortega. I don't know why. I don't know. I don't know who manages Brian Ortega. Oh, you know what? It might be Tiki. Is it Tiki?

I really don't know. There is no, as far as I'm concerned, there is no issues whatsoever. with Brian Ortega. I don't remember the last time he was on. You know, he hasn't been so, so active. Like, prior to this fight, the last time he fought was a year ago, and he lost that fight. And so I wasn't going to have him on after that.

And then if you recall, like, leading up to that fight, we were on hiatus. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't know if there's been, like, a major reason to have him on. Obviously, I'd have him on all the time, but there's no, like, he fought Aljo. We were away. He lost that fight. Obviously, a tough time for him. Prior of that was a year.

And then prior to that was the February win over a year in 24. I guess that would be the last time. And then prior to that was two years. So, no real reason, I'm sorry to say. But going back to Jones, he's still with the cows. He did leave, and then he went back with eight. Ryan, hey, Ariel. Since you had Corey Anderson on the show, any chance of getting Frankie Edgar?

No, I don't think so. BKFC wanted to have Frank. on to announce the comeback, and that was squashed. My general assessment seems to be, for whatever reason, PFL has told their manager, hey, you can't pull that shit here. Obviously, UFC's not going to do that, and BKFC, I guess, didn't want to do it, which is crazy to me. It's because, like, hey, we're bringing Frankie out of retirement. Like, we wanted to come on a show to announce it. Just let us do it. But it was done. and then it wasn't done.

So, who the hell knows? Also, a great interview with Maven. The interviews with wrestlers always seem to be awesome, especially when they're in studio. I agree. I love the wrestling interviews, and, you know, hopefully we get to do more of them, but I really, really enjoy them.

They're just such fascinating people. Where's the new merch? Working on that, actually moving our stuff to another warehouse. So that's why the site is down right now because of the shipping. but hopefully I would say by November

there's going to be new merch it's just kind of tough there's just a lot going on there's a lot going on but we do have some exciting things I'm very very excited about so please bear with me G.C.

blind rank these Georgia football players Todd Gurley Oh God AJ Green Oh wait Oh no no no no Yes you're right my bad wait

All right I have to go one by one Yeah yeah I Jesus I know he's going to throw someone in there. You got two off the bat. So you know. Sorry, I fucked that up. Hug early two.

AJ Green. Three. Brock Bowers. Oh. Fuck. He can't be four. Oh, man. I'm going to go one, but this might get ugly.

Okay, so he is one? I'm putting him one because he was just so nasty. Rodrigo Blankenship. Kicker. Five. Legend hot, hot. Shout out. Frank Sinkwich, the fourth.

Oh, the Heisman winner from like 1942, four. I'm happy with those right now. I'm actually very happy with those right. Yeah, you did good. Shout to Brock Bowers legend. I think I knew AJ's not the quarterback, right? No, AJ Green, legendary wide receiver. Great NFL career, Bengals, Carly.

Early Rams. The other three sound like-Bowers? Brock Bowers? Brock Bowers is in the league right now, like the best receiver that the Raiders have. Tight end? Absolutely dominant. Hadrigo blanket ship sounds like ballerina cappuccina to me. Like, it doesn't seem like a real hot rod, game-winning field goal.

By the way, I was going to call him Houdrigo. 55-yard field goal to cut the lead by three at halftime in the Rose Bowl, 2017. Punch the ticket to the national championship against Alabama, where we unfortunately lost. Went to the Colts. Was the kicker for the Colts? He's a legend, but he's fifth. Frank Sinch, what a deep dive there. The fourth?

Yeah. Do you know about the third? Don't even know about the second. What about Syracuse football? You see that they beat Yukon and then he made them run sprints afterwards to coach? Cool. No, like on the field in front of everyone. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Hardo move. Hardo what? Hardo move. What does that mean? You don't need to make him run sprints in front of everyone. You're saying he's a hardo. He's like a try-hardt. He won the game and then you made him run sprints?

Yeah. Suicide. Do you think it was too much? Hard-o move. That's the message there, bro. Well, he needs more effort. Put him in the locker room. All right, fine, bro.

I agree. Make him work on Monday. muscle milk Mike Hey Ariel Muscle Milk Mike here Shout out to the boys in the back And the goat Pizzi In honor

Pizzi not with us He had a scheduling conflict But we do love him And perhaps maybe later in the day The way you said that You know Not with us today It just always

It always sounds No longer with us would be What you were in the five In memoriam To Pizzi In honor of UFC being in San Antonio This weekend I have one question to ask you

Who's your daddy Montreal Sean Michael's voice Still one of the best heeled promos ever Thank you for everything you and the team do for us. I'll be at Noce this weekend looking forward to another great Texas card. There's a thing online. Thank you, my friend. Do you guys feel like Noce is being under-promoted? No, just because of the size of Canelo Crawford and also this is the least

stacked Noce card that they put out. I kind of like it. I mean, I like the main event. I mean, it's a good card, I'm saying. It's a decent card. It's not a good card. It's not last years and it's definitely not 2023. Last year's was a pay-per-viewed. 20-2ndy 3 was not. 20-23 was significant. Title fight. Title fight, first one, yeah.

The main event is elite and everything else is kind of... John Silva's doing a great job, though. Oh, yeah. Him and Diego, him crying when he saw the poster. Did you see that? It doesn't take much to get him to cry, though. Oh, shit.

What do you mean? What do you mean? Like, this guy gets emotional standing in the octagon. Yeah, look at this, man. Look at the emotion here. No one believed. They all thought I was. crazy. This is great stuff. Look at this. This is raw. This is human. Let me just say, for the

record, nobody's saying it's not raw. Nobody's saying it's not human. John Silver cries a lot. That's what I'm saying. He is a hyper-emotional person. I dig that about him. Me too. I'm not saying it's a negative thing. Yeah. We like it. All right. Hey, crew, this is from Gary. My question is for G.C. when you bet, do you ever place hedge bets or is hedging for cowardly degenerates? It's absolutely not for cowardly degenerates. I would actually say that hedging is the opposite of being a degenerate because it's trying to guarantee that you that you profit. I do occasionally. Like if I have a big parlay and then it's finishing with a heavy favorite and there's a massive underdog that it's easy to hedge out

of, yeah, I will hedge. Well, you know what I hate when people bet, like let's say you're a hardcore Knicks fan and they're playing the Celtics, you bet on the Celtics. The emotional hedge? Hate that. That is cowardly. To me, at that point, just stay out of it. Just don't bet at all. How could you have any sort of rooting interest whatsoever, any sort of ties to the other team? So you're saying, okay, if I would have bet on the Ravens, well, I would have been happy if the Ravens would have won that game? No, no, no, no, no. I wouldn't have been. Here it is. It's almost just like, how much would you pay for the Knicks to win this game? Say it's game seven, they're playing whoever. There's minus one 10 each way. It's essentially like, how much would you pay for the

Knicks to win this? Let's just say it's $1,000. So you're bet a thousand dollars on the other team so the nix lose you're obviously distraught you're distressed you're like damn this sucks but at least i got a thousand dollars i just i just don't look at it that way like i i i would be it bills ravens right yep if the bills would have lost that game came all the way back and lost i would have been like well at least i won a thousand bucks i would be pissed off you know what i mean yeah it'd still be pissed off but at least you're thousand dollars and then and then okay bills come back and win i'm all right i'm all right i'm off i'm all right I annoyed that I didn't win the thousand bucks.

Well, see, that's the thing. How much are you willing to pay? This is someone, I'm not an emotional hedger. I would never emotionally hedge on a... I don't get it. I don't get when people do that. What's happening back there? I was cook.

I intentionally left the mic open. I mean, Rick's framing up old... Great question here. El Gran Changa. Great question here. Who me three, good morning. The question on everyone's mind. the back brought in its

I should have read this out it's higher three pound bag of mandarin's to work how do they see that right how did they know look some of us have scurvy all right we're trying to fight it out here off camera

peeling oranges they're communal oh hold on you got to finish this area is Frank out here peeling oranges to the team Diabolical Okay, so

breaking the fourth wall here Jordan brings them in regularly I do eat my fair share of them as does Ariel as does Jordan Jordan also doesn't bring them in there's a grocery store close by and he buys them up here right?

Yeah but it's not like he goes to the grocery store brings them home and then brings them all the way back in he washes each one that's not true he doesn't wash anything I mean, I girl came in yesterday at the show. I was like, can I have one? And they're here for everybody.

The DC's recorded back. Ended up having two or three of them. That's so great. Tried to Venmo. He's put me on a one per hour restriction. I mean, there are times where I'm sitting here, and it just smells like a citrus factory, and I'm just like, what's going on?

And I look over, and there's just the shards of what used to be a three-pound bag of Climintines. It's Kirby be real, yo. G.C. Do me, oh, there it is. All right. Okay. Is our guest here? As it looks like I'm... Okay, it looks like I'm a high now because I was crying.

Looking forward to talking to this guy. I haven't talked to him in a while. He is fighting on this weekend's aforementioned NoseC card against Diego Faheda. A big fight for him. He's on quite a role as of late. He's won three in a row, and we just saw him less than a month ago in Chicago, knocking out Chase Hooper, he is the man known as El Gran Chango, a.k.a.

The Great Eight. Now, I'm not sure if those, do they, does Great Eight translate into Grand Chango? Let's find out. Let's talk to Alexander Hernandez joining us from San Antonio. Hello, Alex.

How are you? That's up, man. Long time. Long time, yes. What does Grand Chango mean? That's a loose translation, but it's essentially the Great Eight. Oh, okay, all right. Grand Monkey.

For a second, I actually thought that your camera was frozen. Is my reception coming through all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is my reception coming through okay? I might need to adjust the Wi-Fi. Oh, you look crystal clear to me, but if I'm not clear to you, then if you want to disconnect and come back, that's cool. No, we'll give it a go.

Let's run it. There's a little bit of delay. It's almost like you're a war correspondent in the Middle East right now, and There was like a five-second delay in between answers. I do feel like I'm a call with India. Let me exit out, and then I'll jump back in. Okay, cool, cool. There he is.

At first I thought he was... He never fixes anything. He just made Rick's sake. He just hot miced, Rick. He just made Rick stay. Don't turn on the mic when he's mid-bitch. No, no, I did it on purpose. Here, have a Clementine, Rick.

Can you allow it. we'll get the big monkey back I do watch the oranges that's the precise translation okay he was a little bit perturbed was he not

no not until you mentioned it it made it super awkward I didn't mention anything I just asked him if Grandchango meant grade eight then you were like is it really delayed I didn't say that

I don't remember saying that I look like a mess you just sneezed 15 times well honestly I feel like he came on and he's like what the fuck's going on here? Why am I doing this? He was doing a bit, yeah.

He walks on. It's talking about Clementines. So is he coming back or not? Nah. Well, now we're, by the way. Now we're gambling, aren't we? I feel like there's a great chance he doesn't come back and he's like,

you know what? I forgot how much I hated that guy. Oh, he's already halfway down the hall and they're like, what happened? And he's like, oh, fuck that guy. Yeah. Here, I'm fixing my de Bella espresso cup, you know, because the El Grancho shirt's are pretty sick.

They are great. When did that become a thing? I think it's for, no, UFC. Okay. Oh. Wow. Wow.

It's a great question for a guest that you just got rid of. Oh my God. You think it's just for Noce at UFC? For sure, dude. Look at the merch. Oh, it's brilliant. Shout up to Bourne for this. Diego Lopez was wearing their hat yesterday.

Oh, that's so good. Yeah, man. Oh, you've blown my mind. I love that. What is born for this? It's a new company? I was asking you. Oh.

I don't know. Diego Lopez was wearing it yesterday. Because we could have asked them. I guess we can ask the El Granchonga. Stop. Stop doing that. Is he just not coming back? This is what happens.

Do you think he's like legit? He's probably trying to find better Wi-Fi and realizing it doesn't exist. Yeah. Well, he was unhappy. I felt like he was unhappy. Frank, you're from Sanj. I love talking to go for the good Wi-Fi. Just on the Riverwalk.

I like talking to him. He's a straight shooter. He's a no-nothing. He's a non-sense guy. 28 days since his last fight. Has it been 21? 28, I guess by the time it happened. It's Saturday.

My favorite thing about his last fight, look at this. Rob Font, 203. Days, oh, wow. Gaston 98 after that Joe Pfeiffer fight. Shout out to M.MA Spear. My favorite thing about his last fight in the Post-Five press conference, someone asked him, what's your team name this week? Because I guess they changed their team name all the time.

And he said, team, no thanks. And then they said, why? He said, no, thanks. No, they said, do you care to explain that? No, thanks. It was so, okay, he's back. Let's see, let's see, is you there? Alexander Hernandez, is he there?

Yeah, there he is. There we are. All right, cool. Hey, by the way, it just, I just figured it all out. Grand Chango, Noce, UFC, Great Abe, you changed it for the, is that right? You change it for this fight week. Yeah, but honestly, I just want to run it straight through because I really dig the moniker. I like it a lot, so I think you should stick with it.

I think it's brilliant. yeah i i like it i really dig it so i'm gonna congrats on all your success lately you're on a roll three in a row uh the last one was great i've i've enjoyed this renaissance this alexander we've been watching you for a long time but what's the difference now why is it all seemingly coming together for you um i don't know man known uh known some tremendous failure and seen some glimpses of great success and i've just been um uh trying to stay steady through the whole thing i feel like we've um just called my as groove you know having more fun than ever with the crew i'm

with uh you know i wish we had a name to give you uh this week this week with uh louis gruel's on the car he let me join it so this week with uh los chupacabras but um yeah we just got a good thing going with the guys and it's a it's a much more um intentional crew so everything we do is just a little bit more focused i honestly feel like i might even be training less than i've ever trained before. But just the work is so much more direct, deliberate. And we've got good energy the whole way through, man. I just kind of leveled out between the years a little bit better, and I feel like, yeah,

it's just kind of coming together. When did the new name- Not this chair situation, man. Okay, okay. You don't like it? Sorry. It's like a little, my bad. No, it's all good.

It's all good. When did the new name every fight week thing start? Well, we never decide on an official team name. we've kind of gone back and forth a lot and so whoever's fighting that week gets to pick the name okay and so did you pick no thanks last time that's that's right yeah

and why did you pick no thanks you know kind of like you know pass on that team rather not the ambiguity is you know to go with it so I love it I love the way you delivered that

at the press conference too When someone asked you to expand on it, you said, no thanks. Yeah. That was probably the highlight of my UFC 319 viewing experience, that exchange. Oh, fantastic. Yeah, that was kind of the motif for that. So, yeah, we kind of try to find our themes. And then again, whoever's camp it is, we ride behind them,

and they kind of take charge of the name and the identity for the fight week. The other line, of course, as you know, was the Big Ball's average side. You said that line that seemed to have gone everywhere. People do seem to enjoy when I mentioned my dick. Yeah. But can I ask, what were you, ultimately, what were you trying to say there? You came in a little too cocky and you had to humble yourself? Yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying.

I had a high hubris in the beginning. And it really didn't have like any of like the experience of veteranship to back it. So, you know, I was all kind of piss and vinegar whenever I stepped on the scene. And now I feel like I've just kind of again sort of leveled out. um can can really deliver on uh on words and actions and i'm you know i say less these days i really try to stay out of everything just because peace of mind is uh kind of the ultimate goal and so um yeah i just feel like uh i feel like these days um just done a better job of finding it balanced i know i know what i know now you know then i didn't really know anything i just thought uh uh you know

I had that debut, and I was like, oh, man, this shit should be really easy. And it's not, it's not really easy. And so it took a little bit of time to kind of organize it. And I think, I think just having the right guide as well, you know, the worst thing for a good fighter is a bad coach. And I think for a little bit, we're kind of getting pulled in some too many mixed directions. And a lot of times I finished fights and just kind of be left looking in the mirror, wondering how to pick up the pieces and get back to it. And now I feel like we've got a real just technical, strategic approach to everything that we do,

which just sounds really rudimentary. Like that should just be the thing that we're all doing. But a lot of times you don't. And so now we're just, again, we're really deliberate, really strategic and everything we do. I don't do a lot of superfluous work just for the sake of doing it. Everything kind of has a purpose. And really starting to identify my own game

because I feel like I've been pulled in a lot of directions in the sense of if you look at the fights, you've seen a number of styles for everyone. me. And now I just feel like we're starting to organize and articulated style that's really effective and that's going to work across, you know, hopefully we'll see it pan out from Hooper a few weeks ago to Federa now and see, yeah, just sort of me exemplify the style that I'm working. What would you say was the turning point where you did kind of have to regroup and, for lack of a word, humble yourself to get to the point that you're at now?

man i've had a few uh turning points you know um it it's funny because people always talk about the cowboy thing but fuck man i'm 32 now so i've been a lot of shit since then and and uh and grown up a lot so really i mean i was still still pretty hot after that in my mind and um i would say um one of the one of the biggest turning points um yeah one of the biggest turning points um yeah one one of the biggest turning points in my career was the Quarantillo fight. I cut down to 45 to just try to make a change. I kind of felt like an in-betweener for a long time. Now, for the first time, I feel confident in my, just in my size and stature. I feel good at 55. I don't have really insecurity about it. Fighting Moirano, I was like, I felt like I was fighting my dad. I was like,

dude, this guy's fucking huge. I felt like I was at a 15-pound weight deficit stepping into the cage. And that wasn't even the necessary the reason for losing, but it was just something to attribute to. And so then I had this kind of panic switch, and I was like, man, I'm going to make the cut to 45, which was really, really hard. That took a ton of effort. And I made the cut to 45, kind of emotionally zapped by the time I got there. I remember like tearing up when I saw the scale. I was, I couldn't believe that I made the 45. And, um, uh fighting billy in in that fight i remember i remember being in the fight and uh and just having the most toxic dialogue i could have with myself and it was um you know i remember watching him and

i was moving and i was thinking this fight could be so easy but you're going to find a way to fuck it up i felt like i was a master at snatching victory from or snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for a long time. I felt like I was a master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And that really stamped it for me because I felt like I really could have put on a master class and everything was going fine, but I just had this terrible dialogue in my head about finding a way to fuck it up, essentially. And then like when the second round started to begin and I felt like my nervous system going nuts and him getting some momentum as I started to fade. It felt like I read a script and a part. Like I was just like going to play my part.

I was like, okay, here's the time like in all these big fights like the Moikano and the Seroni and now this one where you were up and now you're now you're feeling winded. You're feeling down. They're getting some momentum. And this is where you check out. This is where you lose. And I felt like I just accepted this part and essentially quit. And I've never felt that way before I always chalked it up as performance anxiety and this time after I settled on it it felt real black

and white it just felt like a decision it felt like quitting or not quitting and then whenever it got that plane for me it suddenly it clicked it was like this is a decision and so then the Miller opportunity popped up on a 10-day notice and I needed to take it it was like I needed some self-redemption

and then that fight ended up being a really great three-round battle, you know, I felt like I put on a good performance the whole way through, but Miller's tough as, you know, can be. And, you know, we went the full three rounds and some adversity along the way too. And, and that was kind of like the turning point where it was like, okay, you can do this. You can, you can see it through and be there, be present long enough to fight, fight the full fight and kind of weather the storms. And so that was with the turning point. The problem was after I had that fight, I was, I was so hot on the 45 ideas still because I was like, I've already

made it. I can really make it running there. And so then I kept pushing to try to make that 45 cut. And I wish I did. And I wish I just ran with the Miller high and kept pressing into the 55. But that was the biggest cornerstone, the biggest turning point for me, was after that Quintillo fight. And then the success in the Miller fight for sure. It's fascinating because I was just about to ask you, after the military, why did you go back to 45 and do that? But I guess that's part of being hard-headed and thinking you're the man, right? Yeah, well, being hard-headed. And also just, I worked so hard to get to, and I saw myself make it. And then just the way that the line I looked at the 45, I just saw a clearer line. And so I thought, you know, I could really,

you know, I could really make a run out if I'm making the weight. Again, though, I didn't realize how much it was taken out of me. It was, it cost a lot to do it. And I kept having a reason why I should do it again. You know, the, what was the next fight? The Algeo fight, I blew my MCL a month out. It looked like a cantalope on my leg. But again, the work was so, hard to get there. I was like, I'm not going to pull out this fight. I have a month. I can heal up my leg. And so then when I went in there feeling compromised and lost a tight decision, I was like, because of the knee. I need to go, I just kept having this feeling that I need to like redeem it at 45. I worked so hard to get the fucking number on the scale. It's like I wanted

to see the result for it. And every time I just kept kind of getting into a deeper psychological hole. And yeah, I wish I did. I gave up really silly losses. And I wish I did it. And so it kind of shaped it when I rebound up to 55, though, I feel bigger and stronger than ever now at 55 than I ever did before. Also just, you know, naturally aging and staying in the game. But yeah, you know, walk to walk, we learn it is what it is. When you won in Chicago, did you know that this opportunity would be waiting for you considering your ties to San Antonio? Or if not, how did it come about? Yeah, I had an idea that, um, uh,

I was kind of just talking shit, honestly, because I was like, you know, it would be cool. It would be cool to do the San Antonio card. And people were asking me about it, but the Chicago announcement happened right beforehand. So people were like, oh, are you going to be on the San Antonio card? And I was like, man, it would be pretty sweet too. I just don't think, I don't think it's going to be possible. I'm finding a month before it's going to be a tough fight. Chase is tough.

And then whenever it ended and they were asking for the callout, well, the only thing I had in mind was San Antonio. And so right, I mean, I was in the back in the medical tent and Sean Shelby was already asking about San Antonio. Wow. And so we got propositioned it that night. And within the next day, I got up and I was like, yeah, this is a stellar opportunity. I got to do it. It's just a great opportunity. I kind of had this, you know, semi-serious idea a year ago.

somewhere along the lines is named Elgron Chango Chango got dropped into my head and I was like man that's such a fucking fun name I love that dude I love that moniker so I want to run that but God I can't really afford another name change especially just being some 50-50 L taking

you know bum on the side just changing his name every three months and so I was like you know I got a roll I got a few together and Clay Mata you know our head our head coach, our leader of the tribe now. He's like, well, you know, get a win and, you know, maybe you'll do it.

And then I'm like, nah, you really need, you really need like three wins at least to get a name change. Yeah. And he definitely needs momentum. He's like, all right, well, let's get a few wins then. And I'm like, and then it would be really ideal if it was on like a no-chain card because then you could roll it out, you know, for the Mexican namesake. And then, you know, then you really got a fucking theme on your hands now. And he's like, that would be pretty fun.

I was like, yeah, there's probably no way it's going to come together like that. Lo and behold, we rack three out, injury-free, and we get the shot to be in San Antonio at Noce. It's a fucking cool story. So whoever's writing the story, I'm playing the part. I'm digging it. So I was like, man, I got to take the opportunity. I got to play the part.

I love it. Yeah. You live in San Antonio. 50-50. I'm in Denver a lot. So I'm, you know, all the boys are in Denver. And so we do a lot of training camp in Denver. and then my other head coach, Jason Yarrington, is here in San Antonio, and so I'm just

kind of back and forth a lot. Okay, because I was wondering, you're obviously in a hotel room right now, so you're not going to stay in your home or apartment? No, no. Honestly, it's kind of nice to step out sometimes. I know people kind of like to be home. I kind of like to get the fuck out of my house sometimes. And so, and the boys are here, and so we're all just kind of together.

They have a tankless water heater in the hotel, and I like to cut weight in the bathroom. So it just kind of fits better. When you talked about just kind of like being out of the limelight and having the peace of mind, could I just ask like things like this, like doing media, would you rather not these days? Yeah, yeah, I don't like to do it at all. I feel like so much media, just a bunch of clickbait sluts. And so I really try to avoid it. And you know, me, I, you know, I can say the wrong thing.

So I try to, I try not to even think about it. You know, I try to avoid it. I think, you know, I think you're great. But I try to, yeah, I just try not to even worry about it. I tried to stay offline. I was offline for a long time and just trying to regroup. And just again, dude, just have some fucking peace of mind if there's anything we want in this world. So that was kind of just the main focus.

And even after this, I don't really care to do much media stuff. It's just not, I don't really see how it's very fruitful. So, yeah, mostly pass on it. Team, no thanks. Yeah, that's where it comes I appreciate you doing this then Because you probably don't really want to be here Sure

Yeah, and God, I look bloated as fuck I haven't even left the hotel today I mean, that's the other hard part You just look at yourself In the fucking cameras of misery in itself Now you look great Haven't even got in the hotel room yet It's like I thought it was weight cut week

But somehow my fucking face is that Anyways Yeah, yeah no I appreciate you having me on It's been like 30 years No, that's not true You have some interest again dude That's not true I'm glad your curiosity has been curved.

Wow, is that what this is? I feel like you're holding some resentment because you feel like I'm like a Johnny come lately. I'm back on the bandwagon. I really not. I was there from the beginning, I'd be talking to you. I know, there's ups and downs. I don't want to bother you after a loss or two.

No one wants to talk after a loss. You don't even want to talk on a winning streak, let alone a loss, a losing streak, right? Yeah, dude. You should check me that. You know what my favorite thing is, is all the mindset coaches that hit you up after a win?

Oh, yeah. I have like 10 mindset coaches. just hit me up after this last fight. Like, bro, you don't need a mindset coach after first of all. You should have hit me up a year ago. That's when you really need the mindset coaches. And really, that's something you can stake your flag in, too, if you're really about your craft.

Is there beef with you and Diego? No. I mean, man, that team always makes up something about us. Because I saw him do an interview about, like, not like it, but I couldn't quite get to, like, what the issue was. No, I don't have any beef. I think Diego's a G. I think he's been in the game for a while.

I definitely don't sleep on him. a dangerous dude yeah i don't think uh i don't think anything we we almost fought it's just been like just gamesmanship like um when i was first on the scene he's also in texas and so there are some um you know teasers about us fighting and things like that but uh no never anything like personal or whatever and uh yeah no i know i know better than uh than a sleep on the vet and i think he's uh yeah i think he's a tough guy will you come out in a luchador mask or anything on on saturday I asked, I tried, we were just signing posters me and Luis

Guerrule, the other fighter on the card in our Luce mask I mean, I don't try to wear as much as I can this week just to put on, but yeah, fortunately we can't walk out with them. They said no? For sure, I for sure would have walked out on him. They said no thanks.

Almost as a compensation, you can't speak Spanish, put a fucking mask. Yeah, the least you could do, pay homage. At least 100%. Well, congrats on all your success. Great to connect with you again. Don't be a stranger. Anytime you want to come on and say some things,

you have a home here. I appreciate that, man. El Gran Chunga, we could get your merch right now on the website. We showed it earlier. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Check it out. Yeah, yeah. Get the merch.

Pam. Look at that. That, dude. Yeah. And it's same-day shipment. So if you want to put it in and make it in time for the fight, you sure can. So, yeah, I appreciate the shout-out right there, big done. Love it.

Good luck to you, Alexander. By the way, Alexander or Alex, what do we prefer? Whatever you like, you know. I was calling you Alex, the team in the back, me Alexander, but even there on the website, it said Alex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, most like, all my childhood friends call me Alex. Anybody who meets me today calls me whatever they want. I don't care. All right. Well, Alex, appreciate it.

Welcome back, and congrats and good luck this Saturday. I appreciate you. Thanks, man. There he is. All right, later. Alex Hernandez, a straight shooter. I enjoy his style very much, and looking forward to seeing him back in action and happy for his success. One of the fun guys in the game, his UFC debut, believe it or not?

We're getting old now here, my friends. UFC 222 back in March of 2018, he beat Benil Darius in 42 seconds, if you recall, on the Chris Cyborg Jana Kunitskaya fight. How about that? That was one of my last fights for MMA fighting back in the day. Let's move along. I'll wait for the word.

The great Charles Dubranzo Levera, who returns to action on the 11th of October, is going to be joining us. He's now partnering with Dwayne Johnson and Under Armour's Project Rock on a new campaign for their built under pressure collection, and he is announcing the release of the PR8 shoe. The campaign was developed with seven bucks marketing and is about embodying discipline, resilience, and intent, which are values that mirror both Charles's career and Project Rock's ethos.

There are the new shoes right there, the PR8s, the slogan, your foundation is everything one shoe all in strength tested and approved by Duane the Rock Johnson the PR8 is built to power dynamic training stable under pressure responsive in motion and engineered for lasting comfort this is your all in foundation for all out performance let's talk to Dubronz himself Charles Olivera

who's kind enough to join us to talk about the partnership and his upcoming fight bomjia Carlos how are you my friend bonjia shard us to the thing Good day. Good day. Thank you. And we do have an interpreter here helping us out as well.

Interpreter's name is Everton. So thank you very much, Everton, for your help. Charles, can you tell us about this partnership with Project Rock and Under Armour? How did this come about and what does it mean to you to be associated with someone like Duane Johnson? Talk to us a little bit. How it was this partnership with Under Armour and the Duane Johnson? how you are

feeling to have this association with him now? First, very much very happy

to have to be made to be part of this partnership gigantesca in the point I

feel like when I talk about about about something we're doing part of a lot of

so I'm so I'm very happy this partnership gigantesca so first of all I'm very thankful

and very happy truly to be you know part of this partnership to me this is a legacy thing

when we talk about having a legacy it's it's things like this doing these gigantic size partnerships and and still at this point in your career you're still as popular as ever you know you just fought for the belt obviously we know it didn't go your way that night after a fight like this you know with with with with with with with yeah back in June is there any worry on your part that oh maybe brands like this won't want to be involved or maybe I won't be as popular it doesn't seem to have affected you at all you're kind of at that level where people love you regardless and so this is

is another indication of, you know, the wins and losses don't really affect you anymore. And in terms of career, so, you know, you're still in a level, now, in a level of, that you're not so popular, as in any other moment of your life, or more than any other moment of your life, you just, uh, you've got to, uh, say, from a lutheran, in which didn't get set there, you know, you don't continue to win. In June, but, uh, independent of this, it seems that the public

still even you know, even has this attention and all the how is you feel in this place where

independent today of you get or to get a little bit of your legado, the your presence still is required by the

public? Feree very much only only I've caught in many years after

my humudality my respect for the people because I think independent of the result

as you say I mean I think to be great for this, by the

cario of people and it is the same the same my care of

them. So, I'm just happy to know where I'm to do

where I'm going going to happen. So I just have to thank I

thank you. I'm truly happy really. It's, you know, in part it's from

things that came that I started doing years ago in terms of how I interact with people and

the respect that I was getting from them and the respect that I have for them it just

becomes something that is, you know, greater than me. I'm extremely thankful for all the people that care for me and, you know, truly happy with this hype now that independent of what I'm doing, I'm actually still getting love out there. What do you say to people, Charles,

who say you're coming back too soon? There was concern when your fight against Fiziev was announced, October 11th, that it was too soon from the fight against Ilya. What is your response to those people who are critical of this decision? So, there people there are

saying that you're going to rapid too, like there one other there's a

day on the one of October, uh, it's very rapid after this other

the other lute what you what you respond to this person that's

having this kind of actually, yeah, uh, I'm happy with the people

that are talking by my being, uh, saying that others are simply

for the hype, uh, maintain the hype. I'm very I'm very very happy, I'm very

focused, what passed, now it's a next pass, it's a new battle,

a new local, so the people, were because were worried, now those who said

for the hype, in reality, I think that's that's going to hear from the other

but the most important of all the what I'm so how I'm good, the quant of

how I'm so how I want this so I'm truthfully just very happy, You know, there are people that are making the comments, but they're making the comments out of the goodness of their heart.

There are other people that are making the comments, meaning bad by it. As for me, I'm just happy and I'm focused, you know, things that are things that happen in the past already passed. They're in the past. So I'm not going to be bringing them up again. This is a new, a new fight, a new place. so I'm just really grateful to have this opportunity and keep doing what I'm supposed to do

regardless of those who want to speak bad about me would you have come back this soon if it wasn't a Rio card if it wasn't a card in Brazil or are you coming back because you want to fight in Brazil it's your home and you've had such great success there you're 6 and O in the UFC there

you'd be back so rapid if not if not was a card happening in the Rio or you

think that this influenced or you did even to pick this because

really have the record of Brazil 6-0 how the how fettor the

decision? Yeah in reality a point just on the other I

wanted I wanted I want to want to want to want to and then appeared

the real I wanted to look different of my public

so for all the messages that who came to me, that I heard from various videos that I've seen.

So one thing, I joined a other. I want to be in front my family, for my fans, for my bandeara, for my public. It's it.

One thing, a other. I think to me it's been, you know, many things that came together all at once, but to me, I honestly wanted to

go back to fight as quickly as quickly as possible. But also, I just wanted to be in front of the public, you know, I received a lot of love from the general public. And I just wanted to, you know, carry that message, be, you know, face to face with my family, my fans, my flag.

And I think so it's a conjunction of many factors there. The fight against Fiziev, was he your decision or did they come to you and say, we want you to fight Fiziev? The fight Was it your decision or was more one thing you came to or was they

were they were they were they put this for you decision your or or who impused for you? No,

no, in reality I wanted to do not officer rio was that I wanted to do you and the

names that were in my front, none of them of them didn't they were the only

the guy who accepted and I did the fire a lot, Fizzev is a man who's a man who's

a guy who So it's really a fact that I wanted to fight a UFC Rio, you know, it's, uh, of all the names that could come up, uh, Fiziev was the, the one that was really, you know, that was up for it. Uh, he's going to be a, it's going to be a hard fight, you know, he's, he's a hard fighter. He moves fast. He's a complete athlete. So, uh, I think it's going to be good for the entertainment. and I really wanted to be in UFC Rio. I've seen some videos of you working on your wrestling, also spinning back elbow. Are you trying to give us some hints

as to what the attack is going to be? And if so, with someone like Fiziev, would you like to try to test him on the ground given his striking prowess? I've seen some videos there of you, uh, practicing a little bit of wrestling, doing some, uh, doing those cutoveled, there, of costas.

This is some type of message so, for us to understand what's going to be here now? Or you think that maybe you'll try try to test some

something different, leave him to the ground, do something like that. In reality, I'm a lot of a M.A. I'm a guy

complete. So I've been training of all in a little bit. I'm working in Wesse, a box, a Maitai, a M.A.

And I've went to a school of the part of the trocaation. So, the my, my trocaation

and see in par, it's evolving. So I'm to know for a MMA.

I'm to be a great lot of I'm just an MMA fighter, so I can

stand up, I can take it to the ground, you know, I got boxing, I got

kickboxing, I got a little bit of everything, so, you know, I just want to be ready,

I train everything to be ready and when it comes time, I'll bring whatever weapons I have to. Can I ask

about Ilya, was he better than you thought he would be? And I'm going to ask that he was better than what you thought he would be? No, no, I don't think he was better than I thought he would be. I think it was the night of his, it was the day of his moment of it.

I'm going to expect him on something, crediting that my mom could be able to pick, that I could have had done something. And it was the night of him. He was better than I. No, I don't think it's better or worse. I think it was his night, you know? I was expecting to, you know, I was expecting to,

to be able to, you know, come up and do a certain thing. And it just didn't happen for me. It happened for him. I just think it was his night and he did better than I did. You've obviously had highs, you've had lows in the sport. How long did it take for you to get over that fight? How much time did you need in order to get back on track? Obviously, in your career, you've got your own and

and then after this and what was how time it left for you think you you just wanted you just wanted

how time left for you felt like you felt like you'd be done to get there on the day next I wanted for all the

messages that I received, for all the videos that I saw just wanted I just wanted to talk to and I just wanted

to be ready and then the team said no, let me come to come back family was what I did come to my

family had to be in my family I'd so I really wanted to go back and fight the very next day really because of all the messages all the love that I received for all the videos that I saw so everything was you know motivating me but you know between my trainer and everything else they you know they said let's let's go home let's rest a little bit go see the family and that's what I did and I'm ready to go I saw after the fight that you apologized you wrote on on Twitter you know

I'm sorry after the fight. My apologies, specifically. Why did you feel the need to say that to your fans? I saw that to your fans. I saw that you're saying that I was saying, what was your message? What was your message saying to say that to say to be to be with the fans? You know, in reality, for not to be

presented me very well, you know, for to know that in the same way that I was too, there was a lot of people, too, so I had to be sorry for not to be presented too well, for having to be afraid, soffered, sofrid, so I had to simply ask you know, it was not a good performance for me. I mean, I wasn't happy with that.

So I think the reason behind the story is, really, because I think there was this feeling where I was crying, people were crying, so I had to apologize for not being able to deliver the performance that I wanted to. A few weeks after your fight, Max Holloway beat Dustin Poirier, and I and many others said, oh, this would be the perfect next fight. Max versus Charles, because your first fight ended inconclusively. Was there any talk of doing you versus Max next as opposed to you versus Viziev? A

A little after your lute, there was a hallway and after this there was

people who started to gogetar whether the next will be the next will be the

because the first was kind of didn't have to have a conclusion

certain there so what you think what you think you think you

think this I'm a lot that I want to I But then, it was the

battle there, he said he came to the arm, so this will be a lot more time, and I wanted to fight the time.

So, let me focus on a thing of every way. The focus was Fizyev, passing him, why not

make this this a lot to happen? I do want to fight him. I think that would be a good fight, but, you know,

after he broke his hand, I think that delayed things a bit, and I wanted to get right back on it. Fiziev was was available,

and we're going to do that fight, but this fight Max could come at some point. When you're starting to see some of the guys that you fought and who fought in your era, like Dustin, call it a career, retire, does this make you think about your own longevity in the sport and how much longer you want to fight for? When you start, we start to look at the same level than you, see, and see how

poor year is, you're going to be in your career, this does you find out of your career, to think in what moment you can be ready to do something? No, I don't think of this I don't know

a want to stop. I'm not going to be feeling well and I'm doing all over doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm going to

get in a moment of their to be able to get to be a moment yet no, there's more

more thing to happen. I really don't even think about that. I really don't think about this

desire, to retire. I think I'm doing well. I think I'm in a good phase right now. Obviously, I'm happy for these guys because they feel that they, you know, they did their thing and it's their time to to retire. But for me, I think there's still a lot to, a lot to happen, a lot I can show. You still love it as much as you did when you were fighting 10 or so years ago. you still the game when you loved when you were living

for 10 years I said to tell you know what you feel to say on what you're doing you have to continue doing the same

I still feel the same I still think I'm still I'm still I feel that I'm still that I'm still that I still in the

game I tell everybody is that you know I feel a lot of pleasure in doing what I what I'm doing

so when you're doing something that you're still happy to that, they still have the will to do it that you're passionate about, you've got to keep going. You know, it's been well documented some of the struggles that you had earlier in your UFC career. Was there ever any point in the early days of your UFC career where you doubted that you'd ever get to this point, becoming this superstar, former champion, winning the

belt, all that stuff? Did you ever question how far you can actually go and now have exceeded your own expectations? In the beginning of your career, has been documented, the difficulties that you have, there have some moment that you've got to dovided of where you could get to get a day, or you're surprised,

perhaps not yet, not yet, but today is it surprised at the level that you've got to be a champion, T-Cint, and all? To be a doubt, no, difficulty, yes, I think we'd have to say out, but never

think I to get to get to get in this level that I live so

I'm really so I'm I always I didn't think I couldn't get here you always

got to dream big so it was not about thinking that I couldn't get to this level I just think

you've got to keep dreaming big and I'm very thankful for having reached this level

by the way that video that we showed of you practicing your spinning elbow or

your training and there's cars in there we were trying to decide is that a garage is that a basement where are you training where there's these

beautiful cars surrounding the the mat where is this uh... the video we were showing that you're

talking about where you're where you're trying there's some there's some cars there's a garage a cornon what is

this is in reality a garage the garage the community of our we always when there's when there's

opportunity to try training together both in the football, as in his house of his. The majority of my last few times he's done with him. He's an alum of the Alaw, and we

always are having opportunities to train and I'm a man who love the art martial, so it was important that we're there we're there training, and then we ended up on these videos this week now this week. That's actually Matt's house.

He's a friend of mine. We train together, whether somewhere else or a shoebox or his house, we're always training together. He's a very smart. guy. He's a really good MMA fighter.

So whenever we have the chance to be together, we do that and we just thought we could release this videos to the public. It looks great. Can I just ask you one more thing, and then I'll let you go. I remember a couple of days before your fight against Ilya, there was a video posted of you

cutting weight, and there were the towels on you, and your whole team was around you. Ian Gary posted something as well, and it was two days before, and we were wondering why you seem to have been doing the extensive weight cut, not the night before, but two days before you had to weigh in. Is this something that you often do?

We don't see it from a lot of fighters. And if so, why is that? Why do you seem to do the extensive weight cut earlier than some of the other fighters? The last question, I guess you to let's just to let's see. In the, uh, the, uh, uh, Luta with Elia, you made a cortage of I think it was it's, it were two days before you, you know,

passed on the videos, you, with the person of your team, have some reason specific that you do you make a shortage of

the people, that many people do you do the day anterior? There's a time that you do a day, no, no,

no, no, I think there's the same thing, I'm trying to get to get to get to one

just. I've been going to devagate. I've been cutting as But then I'm going to see you, I'm going to be taken to towel, the

the guy, you know, no, but I've been corting as I'm going to, and I'm going to cut them. Every day I'm going to take a little. I don't want to, you know, to sacrifice just like all the one way just like all the one does. You know, I go to cut those pox. No, the thing with me is I actually, I cut it slowly,

you know, I go little by little. You know, sometimes, yeah, you get the video out there, and it's everybody, sees you laying down with a towel, whatever, they're crazy about it. But for me, I'd rather not do like that where some people wake up really early in the morning and start cutting the weight on that day. I'd rather actually do it little by little. Like throughout the week, I'm cutting weight already throughout the whole week, so I'm not

leaving it all for the last minute. Okay, and last one, it seems like Ian has really become a very, you know, important part of the team. your thoughts on him and how far he can go do you think that he can become a champion how impressed are you with his skills it's like the yeah, he's part of the

team, what you, what you, what's your perspective about him, you think he will get to be champion, what you think of his abilities of him? Portona, I'm sorry, Gakara, what? Ian Gary. The Ian Gary, what you

think you think you you think of the abilities of his, you think he can't be a champion? With a certain he is a guy very strategist, he not foge of the strategy,

he is a guy who is very focused, very determined. There's a team gigantesque that's behind, a family marvellous, so yeah, he's on a way to be a great champion.

Yeah, I think so. I mean, he's a great guy, he's a strategist, he's focused, determined, and he has a great family backing him up. So I think he's a great guy, he's got all the ingredients to be a great champion.

Thank you, Charles. Parabins on Project Rock and your partnership with that whole team in Under Armour. Thank you so much for coming on. Really appreciate it, and good luck to you on October 11th. Parabins, parabins with Project Rock, with everything what will happen with this,

and we wish to you, good sort on the day 11th of October. Thank you for all the love. God bless you, guys. God bless, and thank you, Everett as well. There he is. Charles Dubrong, Solveira. teaming up with Project Rock, they're coming out with a new shoe called the PR8 shoe.

We showed some photos of it. The campaign with Project Rock and Charles just getting underway. They've also announced today a partnership with Tracy Cortez of the UFC. And, I mean, he's one of the most beloved fighters in the history of the sport. People dig him. people back him and now here he is teaming up with the one and only Dwayne the Rock Johnson

so go check that out online if you are a fan, go support and of course check him out October 11th as he goes up against Rafael Fiziev in the main event of that return to Rio de Janeiro Brazil. All right

still to come, the Big Us himself Joseph Parker can't wait to talk to him also Jaime Mungia going to clear the air on his false positive, I guess it is. But first, a quick break. We'll be back right after this. All right, back on the program.

Thank you very much to Charles Olivera. Coming up, Joseph Parker, Jaime Mungia, more questions. Actually, I was looking at some of the super chats. Shout out to the chat. Let's bang some of those up before getting to Parker. How about that, Frankie? Yeah. What do we got?

What do we got? Well, let's start off with this one. Yeah, which one? I heard you guys discuss this the other day, and I have to chime in. I would absolutely support episodes of less guests. Big thumbs up from me, just the fellas, chopping it up. You know, this seems to be gathering some steam. What do you guys think of this?

Should we put up a poll? Do you want some guest list shows or less guests? What exactly do we want here? I think just less guess is the request. But like, what is that? One, two? Yeah, somewhere like two, three. I mean, we typically have, I think, three to four.

No? Typically. I think typical is four to six. On average, it's a, I shoot for three to four. What's the media? It'd be four point something. I said, on average. Maybe creep in low five?

Nah. It's four point something. Let me tell you, I shoot for three to four. I shoot for three to four. Right, but then like, you throw out and then people come in. You throw out enough hooks, the fish start rolling in. What are you going to do? Do people want, no guess?

Do they want you? No, I don't think no guests. I don't think no guests. I think everyone's been pretty clear with the less guests. So what do we want? What do we want? I see, when you guys say it, I feel like you just want to do less work. Wow.

That's really what you think of us. Less work for us. It would actually be less work for you. It would 100% be less work for me. And less stress, too. Oh, let's leave it up to the polls, right? Yeah, let's leave it up to the polls. I've bandied about the idea.

It's like, could you imagine I could, just waltz in here and talk for two hours probably shorter shows too do people want that as well I mean you tell me it's a little passive aggressive no no no you tell me

you tell me no no you tell you it sounds like what they want is nothing why we just go back to once a week why don't we just go back to once a week is it the once a week that they're saying you know what's so funny when people say like

oh man the shows I get I also get the shows used to be more stacked and I'm like well it was one show a week and then we went to two and then we went to three. So you can't have the same, like, what do you want? If you're cherry picking the guests, the best guests from each show across the three days and putting them onto one show, yeah, it's going to be more stacked.

That's what it used to be, basically. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, what are you going to do? You're never going to make these people laugh. Yeah, but so what is the ultimate decision here? The poll. We'll leave it to the poll. Okay, so is someone going to put a poll. One hour show, Mondays, and then we'll see you next week, man. Sounds good to make. It's like, thank you and good night. It would be great. I used to think about those days.

Pop on the mic? Rick and I would come in. We would go live at one. We would leave at 8 and it would be see you next week. You know? Do a little MMA after hour. Answer some questions. For you, see you next week.

I'm there, cutting the audio, cutting the video, doing it. It's really crazy. And the craziest part is, the craziest part is he would walk to the studio. In the snow. Barefoot.

Back hills. Both ways. Both ways. While you're waltzing in. Dodging sniper fire. You come back to the studio after a really long show. I'm just like, man, 515 today. Back in the old days, we would do seven hours.

Seven o'clock. This feels like a short time. Well, there was only one show. One, seven hours. Up, Bill! No bathroom breaks? Both ways. All right, man.

Sorry, sorry. What else, Frank? What else? You were talking about guest as a fan, me too, will have full trusted support the show and the guest you bring. So is this a deferring viewpoint? No, no, no, no.

Sammy is Swedish. There may be a language here here. I mean, I struggle to read the words. And xenophobic, if I do say so myself. Let's see what the people are saying. More wrestling guests. More MMA guests, less wrestling guests. I feel like you put the more wrestling guests.

That's for sure. I do want to do less. I don't need to know when to end boring conversations. You guys do work too many hours. more WW guess more jihisu guess I feel like there's definitely going to be 100% consensus in all these opinions

and we're going to arrive at a very specific thing that we can follow exactly to the letter and do that. There's no poll up so he's just cherry picking the responses from the chat it's amazing I'm seeing less wrestling more wrestling less wrestling more wrestling like yeah

there was more darts players in there there was one yep Darts was like the The Andy meme throwing away Woody I'm done with this toy We changed studios and it didn't work You remember when Miss Hawani was like So what happened to the Darts 7?

Yeah, a year in Yes I made like a three When it came from her I was like Darts hour That was a good one That was a good one That was a good way

I actually We went in 2023 The friend that went with us has gone 2024, 2025, and every time I see him, he raves about how much he loves darkness. It was a great time. Yeah. Hopefully, if we're in town, I'll go in 2026. What else, Frank?

What else? G.C. 100% for sure started shout-out. Wow. Shout out, Sledo. This guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, Sledo is the number one D1 G.C. Glazer. Got out Sleito. Hell yeah. What else, Frank?

What else? Hi, Ariel. What is your head shaving routine? Oh, I feel like I've talked about this. Actually, I need to tell you guys this. So usually it's Sunday night. And, you know, if I'm busy or something, then I might have to do a Saturday.

But I like to do it Sunday night, get it fresh for Monday. Rick, I bought the clippers that Paolo used on you. You know what's crazy about those clippers? They were like 150 bucks. And the one that I was using was $29.99. Because when I went on Amazon to buy it, what was it? A wall, like magic clipper or something? Yep.

I was like, this seems more expensive than usual. And then I went back and looked at when I bought my other ones, $299. My other one has a digital little, like, battery on it. So it tells you like 100% full, 80%, 90%. Yours doesn't have that. So how am I supposed to know? You always know when you walk into the barbershop. What you want to see is their clipper have a digital readout on it

and have, like, you know, a lot of colorful attachments and hair of scissors that comes in. That's exactly what you want when you walk into the barbershop. I can't tell if you're making fun of me or not. I am making fun of it. I like to know how much is left. Yes. It's a race against the clock.

You're talking about a professional thing versus your Walmart 2999. Like, I'm trying to give you quality. If you're looking for, like, you know, the iPhone of clippers, you can go with that. This one might cut you too close. I just got a brand new one, took it for a spend last night, It's seven-pronged head shaver.

Oh, wow. Yeah, but you're trying to go... There it is. Wow, that was fast. Yeah, this thing is something special. Digital readout if you're interested. Oh, you see, I like that. It was impressive.

It was impressive. Yeah, but you're going to the skin. I'm not going to the skin. Is it telling you the RPM, like, how long you've been doing it? What's the video for? It kind of sounds like a jet engine when you power it up. Also, it looks like a... It looks like almost like a head massage.

Yeah, it morphs to the head as you shave. I love that. Seriously, no joke. What is the readout telling you? Uh, battery percentage left. That's it. Yeah, yeah. I just like to know, because sometimes, like, I'm on a trip or something, and I'll see 15%.

I'm like, okay, I got to. You bring the charger with you? Sometimes you forget, you know? And shaver chargers. Stick to your $30 shivers. Shavar chargers are weird. It's like the two little. Yeah.

I tell you about something scary. So when I go and work on a, like, a fight, I'm in a hotel. I usually like to cut my hair before, you know, be fresh. When I was in Riyadh, the one and only time, it was a friend. it was a Friday, it was an Ganu Joshua, and so all right, we're like three hours out, time to cut the hair. I didn't realize in my bag, probably the thing went on. And now this is like an 11-hour journey, so the battery drained. And now here I am. It was actually a little bit closer. Usually I'll go in the shower. That's where I do at home. So the hair falls, you can clean it up,

and there's no big mess. But I didn't have a long enough cord. I open it. It's at zero percent. Shows about the start, I got nothing. So I had to make a whole concoction with towels and do it in the bathroom. It was a mess of a situation. It was very, very messy. Maybe I, no, I was going to say, I was going to make a joke. No, no. No, no, what were you going to say?

If you're wondering about my routine, it's in the shower, I cleaned it up, and then I'll usually scream for one of my kids to come in and let me know if I missed anything in the back. Wait, in the shower while your hair is wet? No, no, no. I'm just in the shower. Oh, you stand in the shower. Yeah, and then I'll take a shower in. Oh, okay.

You know? And then I'll be like, can someone tell me? And then they'll run in and be like, yeah, you missed right there. Yeah, I've been doing the phone in the mirror, kind of a double mirror. It's tough. It hurts the shoulder on the crank. You always miss something. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's tough. You hope that you get this part pretty good. And then the rest is like, you know, who's to check, really, you know? Unless you're on TV and then you see the back of your head and you're like, oh, wow. Who me? Yeah. Anyway, we'll get to the other questions in a bit. Do we have our next guest?

Yep. Do we have the Big Oost? Do we have the Uncrowned King? You know, here at Uncrown, we have an affinity, a soft spot for the every man, for the underdog, for perhaps the underappreciated, the disrespected, the ones that don't get the shine, the ones that don't get the opportunities, the ones that have roadblock after roadblock after roadblock, blockade after blockade, thrown in their way and despite all of that and perhaps in spite of all of that they continue to succeed they continue to thrive, they continue to win

and that sums up our next guest because he's on some kind of role he's the interim WBO heavyweight champion and we all thought that we were all in agreement that the next fight would be for undisputed gold would be against Alexander Usik in the end it's not happening at least for now

he will be fighting on October 25th that's the good news at the O2 against the interim WBA champion, the one and only Fabio Wardley. They were face-to-face yesterday in London. He's now face-to-face with us. Now he's on, you know, now he's in front of good company. He's back on his home turf.

He's the one-and-only Joseph Parker. Yeah. Yay. My guy. Big Joe. How are you, my friend? You know what? I am very, I could say I'm very happy.

Oh. Because I have, firstly, I have a fight locked in. I know it's not the big fight that everyone wanted me to have with you. but I have a fight locked in and I have a good opponent in Fabio Wardley. I'm back here in Ireland training and putting in work and preparing well. I got my family here. So that's a bonus. I get to train hard every day and come back and go see my family at the end of every day

and every hard session. And I'm just in a great place and I want to put on work and I want to put on a good performance once fight time comes. But everything is fantastic. Well, I am not surprised to hear you put a positive spin and to be happy and thankful and grateful, that's who you are, that's why everyone loves you. But could I ask Joe, it seemed after Ussk's win over Dubois, you were right there, you did everything that you had to do, you got in the ring, everything we talked about, you did it perfectly,

and it seemed like all the stars were aligning, and so ultimately can you tell us why aren't you fighting Alexander Usook next? You know, I feel when I got into the ring after his good performance, great performance over Danny Dubois, I was, first I congratulated him because he looked tremendous. he showed a lot of power he showed a lot of this is a great movement good combinations and got to buy out of there and then I said me next

and I said that because I do want to be next I wanted to be next to fight the undisputed a unified champion of the world and he was very very hesitant he just said that hey he's got to spend time of his family which is he needs to after a long camp and after a good win and he

needed time to rest and recover that being said though I'm not sure why he doesn't want to fight me is it a I'm not sure if it's financial. Is there bigger money out there with the other fighters or what? I have no idea what it is, but he is having time to rest and recover. He's spending time with his family, but I also hear that he's injured. So hopefully he recovers fast.

And after I deal with Wardley, then I'll be on to the next fight, and hopefully it is him. Was there ever any talks, like at the beginning, were efforts made to try to make this fight? Of course. You know, I got in touch with my – I had my manager call. Queensbury promotions who look after us and I was very keen and said what's the news they keep calling every week what's happening when's my next fight

who are we looking at? We're looking at Yusik how's the discussion going with that and it just seems to drag on so I thought to myself you know instead of waiting for Yusik and instead of waiting for this big fight I'm a fighter I want to fight I want to progress I want to keep going I want to be in the ring more often

give me a fight and the next fight the day gave me was Faber Wardley but that fight with Yusik is down the line and I'm sure it can happen, and it will happen, but I need to smash this guy first. And I know you're focused on the task at hand and it's rapidly approaching. I started to worry a little bit after Moses Atama, beat Dillion White, and then I was seeing tweets, hey, we want to do Atama versus Usik. When you started to see that stuff, what did you think? Yeah, they, you know what? I have

absolutely no control what these promoters do and what these managers are trying to, and what people are trying to sort of plan in the background and I know I'm not part of those big plans I've seen it I've seen it I haven't been involved in big fights they're just they're not really giving me the fights that that I want and the fights that I do deserve but I just

you know when she talks like this you just think okay it's out of my control you know what just whatever's going to be is going to be how do you have such a good approach to this because like you're doing everything right and I don't understand why you wouldn't be a part of the big plans you're winning big fights you're doing so an exciting fashion. You're getting wins via stoppage. What's the issue here? I don't get it.

Listen, I didn't get it as well, but the way that I look at it now is that I just want to, I enjoy the work that I'm doing in terms of training. I love it. I'm passionate about boxing. I love the sport. Even though I'm not getting the fights that I do want, but I do have a fight. And the key is, I've locked in a fight, and I've been waiting for a while now, and I've got this fight that I'm looking forward to, and I need to get past this fight in order to get more big fights. So hopefully, you know, I just I just want to fight He was in front of me. I give the best

account of myself and just keep it going, keep the ball rolling. And just curious, last thing on Usik, when we were told that he was maybe banged up and then we started to see videos of him dancing and stuff like that. What did you think? Did you ever believe that he was banged up? Listen, some fighters are banged up.

Some fighters aren't. And some fighters used it as a way of getting more time. But when I saw it, when I saw him dancing, I thought, you know what? I think I have better dance moves. We need to, we need to have this dance off battle and then we need to have a fight battle. In your heart of hearts, and I would love that. I would love to see both of them. But in your heart of hearts, do you think this fight ever happens, truly? Truly, probably not. I'm not sure how many fights Yusick has left, even though he has a lot to offer and a lot to give it the sport of boxing and he's a great champion. He is 38 years old,

and he probably have a few more fights before he calls it a day. He's had a, you know, he's at one of the best careers, you know, unifying on a spute and cruised away now heavyweight. So you can't knock the guy down, but I do want to fight the best in the world and he is the best at the moment. Do you think that will be a stain on his legacy? If he doesn't fight you, you're right there and everyone wants to see this fight. You're the interim champion in WBO.

Do you think that people will use that against them? Should they use that against them? I don't know. Listen, I mean, I'm one of those fighters that, you know, the older fighters that are that are still at the top of the game you know Tyson and AJ Chesora even had a fight with him

and this myself so I feel like if he doesn't fight me it's just I don't I have no idea I'm not sure all right do you have animosity towards him for not taking the fight against you no not at all he's uh like I we we get along well

and he's very he's very respectful towards me and the same I'm respectful towards him so just uh I'm not sure what kind of what they're looking for in terms of opportunity or or the fighters

they're looking and fighting next but the only thing that I can do is be patient and stay focused on the task at hand

and Fabio Bobio Wardley is the man now okay and so how did we end up with him were there other names discussed

and you picked him did they say we only want you to fight him how did you end up with Wardley I said to Queensberry

promotion with my management team and Spencer Brown David I said who is available to fight who's next and the name they gave me was

February Wardley no in October or they said Dubois in December I said I need a fight in ASAP let's lock in the fight as soon as we can and that was the only name they offered on the 24th of October Did you like that idea when it was first presented

To my honest area at this moment right now I don't even care who I fight I just want to fight the best people in the world the guys who are highly ranked but also the guys who are available and the guys who are keen to fight. I have absolutely no care who it is.

Just put me in front of, put someone in front of me, and let's get it on. I just want to keep, I want to fight. I've been training for so long. I just want to get in the ring, and even I am excited to see what I can do in the ring. After all this work I've been doing with George Walker in New Zealand, linking up with Andy now, working on our craft,

you know, getting into the detail, zoning in. I'm excited to see what I'm going to put on display. You're itching to get back in there. I'm actually getting me in I love it I love it I feel like you'd be ready to go this weekend I'll be ready for a long time

but now it's I'm using this camp as a way of of getting into like the fine line the detail and getting a good game plan together and just work just work work work work and you know what I love it I love waking up every day

I'm in a good mood I'm training I'm progressing I'm getting better I'm looking slimmer I'm probably going to have abs by the time the fight time comes. I can't wait. That's that George Lockhart diet. That's a George Lockhart diet.

What do you eat? We're done. Yeah, we're doing great work together. Okay, can I ask like, what's a daily, like, menu for you? What do you, what are you eating? At the moment, again, with every fight that we have and every opponent, George Lockhart changes according to who we have in front of us. Like the last camp, he was feeding me, I would say, between 6 and 8,000 calories a day.

And that was very heavy. Now, this camp would trim me down. We're going to be fine. You want to be explosive. We're going to be good movement and, you know, we're going to be powerful. And again, the food changes according to what we're working on. Okay. It's a science.

Yeah, no. The science that I never even knew existed. But now I'm learning. I'm learning each and every day. Because in your early days, you just do whatever you want, right? In early days, I did have my coach, Kevin Barry and his wife cook for me. But I did. I wasn't focused as I am now.

and I wasn't really knuckled down and eating the only thing I should be eating. I was going away and having a few burgers and chips and, you know, pizzas here and there, but now I know the importance of food and what you need to do is stay on track for the whole camp. Is Fabio Wardley on your level? Fabio Wardley's not on my level.

I know he's had some good wins and he's got a great story starting off of the white collar boxing and he's made his way up to where he has now WBA mandatory but there's levels to this game. I think with the experience that I have, I know he's got power, but every heavyweight can pop. And I've been in the ring of a lot of guys who's had power, or who have power. And I know how to move, I know to avoid, and I know to hit back hard.

Did you watch his last fight against Justice Hooney? I did. And it was an interesting fight, Justice Hooney, with the experience that he has as an amateur, you could definitely see the difference in what the, you know, with the experience he had in Justice Hooney. And then Fabio Wadi is starting off as a white collar fighter. could see the difference in their boxing ability. But again, what they say in boxing, one punch can change everything. And that was a, that was a perfect example. Did Huni do things in that fight? I mean, he was having a lot of success, right, early on, probably more than most

have had against Fabio. Did he do things in that fight that you can take from? You can take those lessons and do them better. Yeah. You can definitely take from what he, the performance he put on. But then I look at it, and I spoke to Andy, and some fighters might have a bad, day. So I'm not really just looking at just at the last fight he had. I'm looking at, you know, the last three, four, five fights that he's had. But you can definitely take away from Cooney's performance, the things that he was working on, the things that he was getting Fabio with. But I feel like, again, there's levels to this game. And I'm on a top level. You saw him yesterday. You did some face-offs. You did some media together. What type of vibe?

What type of energy did you get from Fabio? the energy that I got from Fabio he's respectful he's respectful and I think we're very similar in the sense that we just want to get on with our work like we know that when you're doing these press conferences and media that it's all part of the game

and it's all part of you know getting to fight out there so people can come and watch and support but we're just we're just all about our business there's no trash talk there's no going back and forth there is respect but when we get in the ring the bell goes I want to smash him and knock them out and he wants to do the same to me interesting you say that there seemed to be

some animosity between your manager and his manager what was going on there yeah managers listen managers you know my manager backs me 100,000 percent and his managers is the same so at least we have a little bit of some sort of interesting back and forth from the team you know they were getting a little sleepy with each other there

I saw that I was like wow involved the fighters it involved the managers maybe we should have the managers on undercut yes who would win Listen, my manager is not the best fighter But he's a very smart man I respect I liked it because it added a little bit of spice

To the proceedings Listen, add a little bit of flavor You need a bit of flavor and a little bit of spice You know, but Faber Wally myself Won't really give that Because it's not in our nature But when the fight comes We will spice it up 100%.

By the way, speaking of a little spice I did see Anthony Joshua show you some love, show him some love. Did you see this post from him when he was showing you guys love and then taking some shots at Tyson Fury? Did you happy to see this? I saw that. You know, he's Anthony Joshua, even though we

are competitors and we have fought in the past in 2018, with different fighters now, but he has shown me love along the way. I think after the fight I had with Jan, he showed me love then and he showed me love now. So, you know, thanks to them for that. Do you think that fight will

ever happen again? Is there a better chance perhaps of you versus AJ 2. I've been calling for a rematch of AJ. I feel like with different fighters. I did want to fight Dylan White, but he's coming off a loss now to Moses Tuma. I wanted to avenge the loss to Joe Joyce, but he hasn't had the best in terms of the last three fights.

So Josh would be a great name to fight against or to avenge that loss after Wardley if I can't get used to. Before they presented you, Wardley, did Moses' name ever get brought to you? Yeah, Moses's name, and I said to the team, anyone, anywhere, any time. How do you think that would go? Moses, listen, Moses is very talented fighter. But again, I will back myself against everyone.

I'll back myself against King Kong. Put me in with anyone, I will smash anyone. I fully believe in what I can do. Would that be, for lack of a better term, promotional malpractice? It would be a mistake to put him in there against someone as accomplished as you. You are not Dillion White at this juncture. Do you think that would have been a mistake? Yeah, well, I feel like he's still, you know, he's still on the come-up and he's still climbing.

He has, like, he can't completely, he's smashed it around in front of him, so he's doing this job. But I guess with someone with a lot more experience and someone who's been in the ring with top contenders, but also been in the game for a long time. It could be a wrong move at the stage. Part of that message from AJ was, I think, trying to poke Tyson. what do you think does that fight there it is do you think it ever happens Tyson a jay Tyson is enjoying himself and his family time and his retirement I mean I'm not sure what it'll take to get him back into boxing

or to I mean to accept the fight with Joshua I think I think it's still a fight like everyone else has spoken about that can that can generate a lot of viewership and a lot of people are still interested in these these two men these two heavyweights coming together and making a big fight happen And I think it'll be extraordinary, but Tyson's retired at the moment. So he just said, he might come back. You never know.

Yeah. Do you ever speak to him still? Yeah, I spoke to him yesterday. I was saying, hey, Tice, how's it going? Who do you think I should have for sparring? And, you know, going back and forth. He's one of those guys who's always had my back, and he's always supported me and always helped me in many, many ways.

So I have a lot of time and respect for Tyson. And we're pretty much like family, you know. Spent Christmas at his house, one Christmas with my family. and, you know, he's just very generous towards myself and the rest of the team. Any chance that he is one of your sparring partners for this fight? When you asked him, did he throw his name? Yeah, he said, I said, Tyson, I go, are you sparring?

And he goes, yeah, I train, I spa, I run, I enjoy myself. If you need some work, let me know, I'm ready for you. Wow. Is he going to show up? He always shows. He showed up when I had the fight with Deonté Waldo. Wow. So, Tyson, can you give me some tips and can you give me some rounds?

He goes, come over. week i got you wow okay i love that still made you know what it was the it was the hardest rounds of sparring was the best rounds of sparring i took away a lot from it and it was just like yeah when you're in the ring of a good friend of those and you punch each other you catch each other good shots and at the end of the spy you're like ah he got me with that good shot you that was a good one look at my nose yeah i love by the way uh your head coach um andy lee he has a massive fight this weekend uh he'll be in patty donovan's corner so what do you do i'm assuming he's there or is he not there yet in Belfast?

Andy Lee and Paddy Donovan in Balfast now to finish up preparations for this big fight. IBF Championship of the World, Patty is looking sensational. I'm not sure what Procker's been doing in terms of his training and how he's looking, but all I can say is that Patty, from the first fight to this fight now,

different animal altogether. So who will you be training with this week when Andy is in Belfast? I did some training this morning with George and a bit of swimming this morning then train in the evening driving up to Belfast tomorrow

do some work with Andy tomorrow and I work on Friday, go to the fight and then back again Okay so you'll be there I'll be there He's like my team buddy My teammate he's like a brother to me Patty Donovan and I just want to be there to witness a great

great fight a great card and just to celebrate once he becomes champion of the world I don't want to call it too soon but I have a good feeling. Yeah, the first time two Irishmen fighting for a major world title, which is pretty amazing considering the history of Irish boxing. I love the team that you guys

have there with Andy. Yourself and Patty and Ben Whitaker, it's a nice little squad that you guys have. We even have, yeah, even Hamza Shiraz. Hades, of course. There's a lot of younger fighters in the gym coming up, and it's just everyone, good energy,

good buzz, and you know that you're getting the best work, with everyone there you know so it's just it's a great team to be around and Andy as a trainer

has done tremendous and his boxing career being champion of the world now he's doing amazing things as a trainer which is awesome to see because he's just a nice guy have you

have you had a chance to go back to Samoa you know what straight after this fight I want to go back to New Zealand and then I'm going to Samoa I want to go drink some coconuts eat some mangoes

I want to go climb a coconut tree and get my own coconut I want to go eat some raw first and just enjoy myself and see the family and just, you know, that beautiful, nice salmon with it. Man, that's, to me, Samoa, like, it's not a real place. It feels like some sort of, like, dreamland because I hear such a... When you're ready, when you're ready to come to Samoa, you let me know, and we'll, our people will look after you and give you the best time.

Every Samoan person that I've ever met, salt of the earth, beautiful soul, beautiful human being, Ouse, all this stuff. I love everything about the culture. I love everything about the people. But I feel like it's in another, like, universe. I don't even know how to get there. I feel like it's so far away from us here in New York. It is far away.

And if you do make a trip down to Samoa, down to New Zealand, that part of the world, you need two, three, four weeks. So when you're ready, you let me know, I'll sort everything out for you. Oh, my God. I'll meet you there, guide you around, and you have the best time. You're a gent. Thank you so much. Tell us, how does it end on October 25th?

What are you feeling? I'm winning. I'm winning this fight. There's levels to this game. And my goal of being two-tumble champion, undisputed, unified champion is very strong in my heart. And I'm doing everything right. I've been training off-season when everyone else is, I don't know, enjoying himself. I'm sure Faber has been training as well, but there's levels to this game. And I know that I have the ability to out-box him and stop him. And that's what I want to do? And so what do you think? You think it's this fight? And then you believe in your heart of hearts? What? What happens in 26? How does this play out?

This fight, and then take a bit of a break, keep building away, and just, I'm not sure it'll be the use of fight next. In my heart of hearts, I'm not even sure that fight will happen. So it's just, if that fight doesn't happen, any fight. Like, I just want to fight whoever's number one, whoever's number two, whoever's available, let's get it on. You know, I think Chesora's got the IBF mandatory, just another mandatory of one. Carbile has a WBC. He's a great fighter, and he hasn't been as good. busy as well so there's a lot of big fights that we can make if it's not usuk yeah i saw a picture of

you in cabal oh haven't i on this i haven't i i'm friends with a lot of heavyweights and we're boys right and he's cabal is a great fighter a great human being he just he just became a father recently um but we get along real well but it's boxing business and if if we need to fight we need to fight did you get your own gloves from path and sport path and sport i've looked up oh listen as a fighter when you have a glove sponsor when you have a shoe sponsor a yami are you looked after by yami

in Australia a glove sponsor paffin it's like like your boxing world is complete all you need now is the championship of the world and yeah it's like the it's like the holy trinity of being a boxer right you get the shoes

the gloves the shoes the championship where do I get those gloves I like those gloves I've been sparring lately I don't know if you know this about me Joe I'm going to send you some footage have you yeah some say I have a mean left hook they say it's it's Ryan Garcia-esque

I don't know I'm not saying it but some are saying it you tell me I'm going to send it to you and you tell me listen to send me that and I'll get you in touch with Patrick don't worry about that we'll get you some custom gloves I love it and the YouTube channel by the way the skits the videos everything on point you'll be doing that

leading up to the fight you're always up to date with that the skits won't be doing but there's I do have a crew here one man his name is Kiri Russell and he's following around and filming everything and just I think we're just trying to show the supporters what camp is about what camp what's involved in camp the things that you get up to the training the food everything just so there's a lot of people who want to

see us so we're just giving them an insight of what it's like wish you nothing but the best joe thank you so much the big goose the unsound champ we love you here we support you i wanted the usic fight but i love your i love your your mentality i love your spirit i love your your perspective on things and i'm expecting big things and it's a huge huge night for having heavyweight fighting, because on the MMA side of things, that same day, Tom Aspinall is fighting. He's the heavyweight champion of the UFC. You know him, right?

Yeah, Tom Aspen, yeah. He's, listen, he's a beast. He is a beast. You've seen him fight. I've seen him, I've watched him fight, yeah, and I've actually messaged him, and we were looking at catching up at one stage, but I've seen him for he's a beast, absolutely beast. He's fighting on the same day. Same day as you, yeah. How about that?

Let's go! So it's going to be a great day of heavyweight action. You're the man, Big Goose. All the best you. luck. Can't wait. Looking for a big knockout on the 25th of October at the O2 on DeZone. And good luck in training and my best to George and the whole team as well.

Thank you, Uso. Thank you very much. You're the man. There he is. The Big Uso himself. Joseph Parker, the uncrowned king of the heavyweight division. I mean, how do you not love this guy? One of the greatest people I've ever met in all of combat sports. It's just a lovely, lovely human being and a huge opportunity for it. Imagine

Parker and Tommy Aspinall in a little training ses. Sheesh. That would be nuts. That would be nuts. I would love to see that. I would love to see that.

Two great guys as well. Met him. Great guys. Met him. Okay, Jaime and Mungi is going to join us in about 25 minutes time. I did see, I like the super chats. Let's stick with this. You know what?

Let's not go to the super chat. Eh. Yeah. You look a cat. Okay. You know what? We'll pause. We'll pause.

We have about 25 minutes, right, Rick? I'm hesitant to... Okay. I want to talk about this interview that I saw yesterday with Dana White. The reporter who conducted the interview is Amber Dixon. She's been around the Las Vegas scene, not as a fight reporter,

but as a general news reporter who has great knowledge and appreciation of fighting and sports. And she got an opportunity for the PBS affiliate in Vegas to interview Dana White about this weekend's Crawford Canello card. And you see a lot of people praising her as they should, because it was a great interview conducted by a real journalist asking real questions. It stood out, I think, because Dana doesn't speak to real journalists.

And so it was very refreshing to see him actually speak to someone who knows about what they're asking and talking about, who was well researched, who was up to speed. He used to do that more often than not. And you see in the clips that we're going to show, he plays the same old hits. He's like a doll with a string in the back. And when he doesn't have a proper answer, he reverts back to the same old tired answers. And so Amber did a plus 10 out of 10, 15 out of 10 job and asked them not mean malicious questions, but I think fair, well-researched, pertinent questions that have since received a lot of praise and admiration as they should, because they were well researched and because she knew what she was talking about. So here's one

clip of Dana talking about what Zufa boxing is going to be, which I think is really interesting because I think it's a little bit different than what they said it was originally going to be back in March. Take a look. Basically in 26, I'm going to start my show. And what I'm going to do is basically like the contender series. The best will fight the best. Undefeated guys will fight undefeated guys. And what you will do is you will care about the first fight of the night and not just the main event. So I will build stars. put on great fights, and then these guys will graduate, you know, and fight with shake turkey. You know, and they will...

Could we pause it right there? Am I crazy or is this not a little bit different than what we were originally told, which was I'm handing off, you know, the baton to Dana White and TKO? What he's describing here is a contender series, which would then lead to ring events. That's how I took it, which is different than what we heard back in in March of last year, which was like we're coming together to put on, you know, four mega events and we'll have other shows. This is different. So this would be a mega show. But as I've said, we haven't seen a lot of Zufa boxing promotional material. Maybe we will on Saturday. But this seems to be somewhat of a change. Also, is it possible for anyone on Dana White's team to tell him once and for all that Turkey al-Shake's name is not Shake Turkey. It's Turkey Al-Shake. Why does he continue to call him Shake Turkey. Does anyone understand? I think he dealt with a lot of the notable people in Abu Dhabi at one time, and they, you know, Sheikh Tachnouin, who was

very influential in bringing the UFC to Abu Dhabi. Turkey Al-Shake is his name. He's not Sheikh Turkey. Why does he continue to call him that? I don't understand. Anyway, we continue. No, how much they get paid and... Okay, so you will help raise these boxers and then once they reach the potential of a Pinello, let's say, they're going to make the big money with Saudi Arabia. Yeah, they're going to make big money here, too. I mean, considering where they are, I mean, if you really, if everybody likes to throw the fighter pay out there, yet nobody does their homework.

It's just a fun little, you know, soundbite. Most of these guys that fight in boxing make $100 a round. Some guys will fight for a title for $15,000. So, you know, everybody talks, but nobody does it. their homework. These guys that fight in my league, they're going to get paid. Who's fighting? I mean, there is no one fighting for a major belt who's making 15. Maybe if they're fighting for the WBC pink supercontinental, great Britain intercollegiate title, no one who is fighting for any notable title in boxing is making 15K.

And no one who is fighting for any major title or at any sort of stature is getting $100 around. He's talking about like lowest of low level. levels, like entry, entry, entry level. That's what he's talking about there. When he says that people who talk about fighter pay are not well researched, I don't know what he's talking about. And in this day and age, we have the benefit of the class action lawsuit, which the UFC settled, at least the first one, and in doing so, told us, yeah, this is an acknowledgement that we didn't give the fighters from that period when the sport was. as popular as it is today, enough money. So all the complaints, all the criticism of fighter pay

were validated by this class action lawsuit because now everyone's getting paid. And we went through some of the numbers and there's a great story right now on uncrown.com talking about this. So he continues to say, we're not well researched. We've talked to enough fighters. He likes to talk about the fighters, and we'll get to this about the fighter pay, who don't want to talk on the record, you don't think they talk off the record? You don't think that we're speaking, at least I can only speak for myself, from some place of knowledge and information. Of course we are. In any event, we know that the fighters weren't getting their fair share because there was a lawsuit that was settled, that they didn't want to go any further, and they ended up paying some, you know,

$375 million. Let's continue. Okay. You intend, and correct me if I'm wrong, to apply certain characteristics of the UFC. For example, one championship belt, unlike boxing that has four major belts. And then you're going to make everybody fight each other when they're supposed to the best, fight the best. But the difference that I'm wondering about is fighter pay, because historically, boxers and championship matches are making a lot more than UFC fighters and championship matches. So what do you do? Well, there's a handful of guys that always make that kind of money. When you look at the UFC, the money is spread across the entire group of guys. You eat what you kill. I mean, if you are a huge star, like Conn McGregor, Ronda Rouser. What does you eat what you kill actually mean? What does that actually mean?

You eat what you kill. What does that mean? Is he trying to say, if you become a big star, you'll get paid accordingly? I don't even know what that really means. for all intents and purposes, but I just wanted to point that out. We continue. Many people have proven that they could sell pay-per-views

and you eat what you kill here. We also have guys that would be considered journeymen and boxing who make millions of dollars. So the whole, you know, fight or pay thing is completely not true. And what I want to do is, obviously I'm doing this Canelo Crawford fight and I don't think anybody's questioning

what these two are going to get paid. Well, I am, because it's not on record. What's the base purse for Canello? Well, imagine what it would take to get Canello to fight Crawford and have a guy move up weight classes when he's undefeated. I've heard 100 million. Probably. But no one in the UFC's ever made that as a base purse.

Connor McGregor? 100 million, but that was against Floyd in a boxing match. That wasn't in the UFC. What about Crawford? I mean, by the way, can you pause. Amber Dixon, doing a phenomenal job here. she's well researched she's not afraid

again you don't have to be confrontational just know what you're talking about no one in the UFC has made anywhere near 100 million Conne McGregor made 100 million for a boxing match which was not under the UFC umbrella they were a part of it all they really did was loan him out to you know

Mayweather promotions and showtime and all that stuff and and and she's like actually in a calm demeanor hitting him back with facts and I'm not sure if he expected that. Now, she's been around the game a long time. She's talked to him a bunch.

But this was a great job. We continue. I don't know. I actually don't even know. So that deal was cut with shake turkey in Saudi Arabia. Again, with the shake turkey. He does know.

Are you kidding me? They're running this. He does not know how much Canello is making, really? He doesn't know how much Terrence Crawford is making. Just say, I don't want to say unless they want to say or go ask them. But I don't believe for a sense. second that he doesn't know. Of course he knows. And the reason why he doesn't want to say it is

because then a star in the UFC is going to be like, wait a second, you're promoting a fight where this top guy is getting $100 million and I'm getting $5? This is the stuff that people were predicting that could be an issue down the line. Let's continue with one more clip. And by the way, I urge you all to go check this out. Perhaps we could put it in the comments. Could we pin the interview with Amber in the chat just to give her the love and respect that, she deserves and her outlet deserves because they did a great job with this interview and they deserve that. So if someone could do that, that would be great.

But let's continue with one more clip from the interview. You support that legislation, right? 100%. How necessary is that to get passed in order? By the way, this legislation that she's talking about, sorry, is she asks them about the Muhammad Ali reform that they're trying to usher in. So again, a very good and a very pertinent, a very topical question. She asks them, do you support it?

Yes, he does, and now we continue. For you to operate in boxing like you do in the UFC. Yeah, I think that, you know, I'll give you an example. If you look at the UFC, we bought the UFC for $2 million. And if you paid attention today, the stock is at $200 a share. So when you can, you know, I don't know if there's ever been a sport or a business or anything that's ever existed, where trillions of dollars in revenue were generated. and at the end of the day, there's nothing there.

He loves to do, this is one that he's brought this up since March and previous to March. I don't know if there's any business where trillions you always emphasizes trillions have been poured into and there's nothing there. What does that even mean? What does that mean? Is Matchroom not worth hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars at this point? Is Queensberry not worth a hell of a lot of money? What about Top Rank? Who doesn't even have a TV deal right now?

you don't think that's worth something? What about Golden Boy? What about MVP? What about misfits? What about boxer? And on and on it goes. What does that mean? Now, is the structure of boxing like mixed martial arts

where there was one organization that kind of started the sport and they became the main dog, the big dog, the big dog, and there's been some other leagues that have tried to come, but it all started with league? It's not the same. Boxing is 100 years older than MMA. Of course the structure is going to be different.

But to suggest you can't buy boxing. Boxing is the sport. You can't buy boxing. There are promotions within boxing. It's a completely different model than MMA. So to suggest that boxing is worth nothing and that trillions have been put into it into war, that's not true. That is just absolutely not true. Matchroom, Boxer, Queensberry, Golden Boy, Top Rank, PBC, MVP, Misfits, all these are are boxing organizations. Some are worth more than other. Some have had great success. Some have not had great success. Some have lost money. Some have gained money. Some are on top. Some are not on top. Some are not on top. Some have good years. Some of bad years. But what is that? It's the same old

hits that he tries to play. And we're going to come in. You're not going to do, it's impossible to pull off. I am on record to saying if they get into it, they will be successful. Not because of Dana White. Because of the people behind Dana White. Nick Conn, Mark Shapiro, people like Turkey. Dan is just playing the same old hits and the same old hits implies that he's going to play the same old UFC hits it's UFC embedded it worked here, it's going to work there

contenders it's not going to be the same so they are going to figure that out rather quickly and they'll be successful because they're very smart people with great minds and resources and backgrounds but this idea that boxing is in trouble or that it's dead or that it's a thing that trillions of dollars

is insane because you're promoting a guy in Canelo Alvarez who's about to make $100 million reportedly for a fight on Netflix in front of

tens of thousands of people at Allegiance Stadium if it was really a dead thing would that even happen? Honestly, would that even happen? No. We continue. What we did with the UFC

has turned the UFC into an NFL and NBA. There's a league. you reinvest back into the sport and other people want to invest in a sport whether it's sponsors or you know um you know any of these financial firms whatever it may be that's what needs to be done with boxing too and that's what i'm going to attempt to do listen there's no ego or arrogance whatsoever when i talk about getting into boxing and trying to to fix it because this this is a busted sport i got to challenge you on this though when you say that no one does their research how can we when

the Nevada Athletic Commission no longer releases fighter purses. Why don't they? You tell me. Oh, I have no idea. You're going to have to ask a commissioner that question. I mean, but all that stuff is supposed to be transparent. But there's got to be other California or some of these other states that would release them to you. Yeah, okay.

Not in Nevada since 2020. But then, like, let's take the last championship fight in the UFC, DuPlessis and Chimayef. I think... What did DuPlessis? make a million base pay? Ask them. I mean, it's not my place to talk about. That's the other thing, too. There's no gag order on any of these fighters. They could all sit down and do full interviews with you guys on how much they make and what they were paid. They don't want to because they don't want you to know what they got paid. When people find out what you made, it makes life a lot tougher.

There's a lot of people sitting around looking for handouts when they find out you made millions of dollars. But any of these fighters, you could do interviews with any of them. They could lay out their entire pay structure for you but it's kind of weird none of them do it and here's the thing so she she did ask about the purses not being released in Nevada

since 2020 I did reach out to Jeff Mullins and he said sorry I asked him if I can ask him a question he said yes I asked him if this was true and why and then I did not get a response so I'm not sure

now I have seen some reports saying that the UFC back the notion of not releasing fighter pay, you know, are they trying to protect the fighters? Are they trying to protect themselves? Who knows? Yeah, Hamza Chimayev and Drick's Duplasia aren't going to come out and be like, yes, hello, everyone. I am going to tell you how much I make. And yes, I understand to a degree you could say it's none of our business. But in the rest of sports, you know.

And that's how you kind of decide market value. the UFC stance has always been we don't want this to get out because we don't want hangarons we don't want leeches to come after our fighters that seems like a very noble stance I think you could

come up with the hypothesis that perhaps there's other reasons why you don't want it to come out because you don't want fighters to know how much their counterparts are making so that they can compare and contrast and then say hey if he's making that much I want to know why I'm making this much. Anyway, I thought it was a fascinating interview.

I thought it was, it was conducted very well. Dana's playing the same old hits. And that's just that, and I don't think that's going to change anytime soon. But it does get a little tiresome to hear this thing about like the trillions of dollars and there's nothing there and we don't, you know, we don't release numbers because we don't want the fighters to have people coming out asking for handouts and all this stuff.

Like, it's not exactly that. It's not exactly that. And I thought actually what was most telling about that interview was the fact that he laid out that we're going to be essentially the contender series. We're going to be the contender series. And then they're going to graduate to, I guess, the ring slash re-ad shows. I thought that was really interesting because that wasn't exactly how it was positioned back. in March, go back to that day where they were doing all the press and making the announcement, that's not how it was position. So an interesting story to monitor. And of course, we'll see how

it plays out this weekend. It's going to be a huge show. And I'm, like I said, a couple days ago, I'm really curious to see the bells and whistles, the business, the broadcast, how it all looks, because they do have some of the best minds in all of TV coming together to put on this mega event. All right, speaking of boxing and speaking of some big news, let's talk to Jaime Mangia now. It's been, I would say, a trying time for him over the past few weeks, but it appears as though the clouds are opening up and he is in the clear and he can resume his career that did not seem to be a possibility just a few weeks ago, but this is one of the more interesting cases that we've seen. And so without further ado, let us say hello to Jaime

Mungia and our interpreter, Joel, who is joining us. Hello, Jaime, how are you? Thank you so much for joining us. Hello, Jaime, how are you? Thanks for being with us. Can you, how are you? How are you? How are you?

Good, good. Good, good. Well, good. Thank you. To have this, for result, so the theme, now is one of the things more difficult in my career,

but very content. Yes, thank you. Such a joy to be here, especially after resolving the issue, one of the hardest things in my life, but I am really happy, excited to be here. Okay, so let's start. When you found out initially that your A sample had come back with this adverse finding,

what was your initial reaction when you found out about this? Okay, let's say about that when you saw that you saw, positive, with this, what you found out for that? the really, now I see that I gotrowered

to surprise I'm the really always, I know at the first I'm now

so now see the thing to the because it was it was something

it was because now I never I've been a lot my life

I've been I've been from my newness so so the

really I've never used something to make my rendiment

physical and the really that that's me took for

surprise so So at the next day, I quickly I made some studios here in Tijuana, in the personal, and I fell limp, but me got very for surprise.

Yes, it just took me by surprise. You know, right at the beginning, I took it a little light, because I just thought this is impossible. My whole life, I've been in sports, I've always been clean, I've never used anything to enhance my performance, so it truly took me by surprise. So once I heard it,

even on the next day, I went and took a test myself. And and of course it was negative. So that's when I started being concerned about it. Yeah, so Vada said that the A sample came back positive for exogenous testosterone metabolites, and that means that the testosterone came from an outside source. And then we found out that your B sample also showed the same thing. And usually when that happens, a fighter gets suspended, and, you know,

you have to sit on the sidelines for six months to a year, maybe even more than that. And when this was all happening, Jaime, you were getting. you know, you were getting blasted. People were calling you a cheater. They were saying you should have a lifetime ban. As you're seeing all of this and knowing deep down that you're innocent, how are you reacting to all of it?

Okay, so what we're supposed, is, right, that first they did the Prove-A and it was positive, then you did the second Prove-A, that came positive for that testosterone, and normally, when someone when somebody comes positive,

that, they're suspended for a period of six months, or even a year and the people to start to say that should they're just

they're to spend to spender to those attacks how, how you think you get to

how you're to do you know the fact that I always I always I think I try to

take the things with much tranquillity I know there's there's a that the

a and the prova B are B are different but not just to clarify

that the proof A and the now are the same of the same orina or the

same that they're in the that's positive, simply they're to make

another of the same. So it's almost, it's almost impossible that in one and

other out of different, no? But, this, I said, we did we

did all the problems necessary, man to analyze all my supplements, and, and other

things, and, thanks to just, uh, so, uh, so,

uh, so, uh, well, um, I've got, you know, I've,

I've tried to to stay cool about it. There is something that a lot of people don't know about. They think that the A sample and the B sample are different, but truly they're not. They are actually taking a sample from the same urine. So it's pretty impossible that the first one and the second one are going to come out different. So I immediately started taking action. I analyzed all my supplements.

I did my own testing and I truly believe that there were, I'm so glad that they came back contaminated. So what did you have to, oh, sorry, go ahead. No, that's it, that's it. Okay. What did you and your team have to do at that point? Because like I said, historically, once the, and you're right, the B sample is usually the same as the A sample, and it's from the same source. Once that happens, you know, now you're getting a punishment. What did you guys have to do to then prove that it was contaminated and that you actually weren't trying to cheat? You weren't at fault. What were the steps that you had to take? Okay, then so, you know, the proof A and the Prova B are the same. They're from the same font. So, it's

and it's can't castigando. They're in and they're so you've to prove that that's not really,

what are the steps that you've to make to try that you know you have failed. Yes,

well, for the first, never, never me castigated. Now, so,

they were, I'm, they're, they're, they're, to get them to castigar me never,

this, just to demonstrate to the contrary, no, so, now so,

so, that the first we did was, uh, was, uh, was,

we've got to what we've investigated of all, this, uh, the same laboratory that me did the

Prue A and the Proveh, that was the same laboratory that I made all my supplements to analyze and they,

uh, percatarone, that four of the supplements, uh, had been contaminated for a substance that's called pregnanolona,

that not legal, but not, but no it was marked in the in the supplements no, it was marked, that that was a substance was there. So, that substance, supposedly we're, we're going to

do to do you, that supposedly a, a, a laboratory in France, that, that is of the, of the most avalados, and for, and for all the organisms, and then they're not, they're not, they're They said that the melanolone, that something,

like, like, it's like, like, it's, well, it's for that substance, the prenenolona. And, as I repeat, no is a substance illegal. Well, there was, you know, I would like to also mention this, that there was actually no punishment. We were trying to deal with it.

And in fact, I felt very supported. So immediately we started taking out my food, my, my supplement. and yes, we actually started doing some testing. We sent it to the exact same lab where the testing was done. I sent even my supplements, and they came back with the results. About four of them were actually contaminated with something called prolingnolone. Sorry for that.

Which I want to make a note is not an illegal substance, but it was just not marked on the ingredients that the supplement had. And so we sent it to this lab. in France, one of the best labs that there is. And yes, they confirmed that there was some contaminate over there. And again, I want to make it clear that this is not illegal in the substance. So we were glad that those were the results. Yes, per the United States Anti-Doping Agency Pregnolone, which was the substance that came up, is not on the ban list.

And it's used as an anti-aging compound for hormone replacement and to treat a myriad of medical conditions. And they also consider the use of any dietary supplement that claims to deliver boost hormones to be especially risky, but it's not on their banned substance list. And so that's why you're ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing. But as you know, Jaime, when something initially comes out, everyone goes crazy, everyone is quick to judge, everyone is quick to accuse, and then when someone is cleared, it doesn't get the same type of attention. do you feel like your name has been cleared or do you feel like people still view you as a cheater even though you actually did not cheat? So, look, that of pregnolone,

we know that's not prohibitive, right? It's just a supplement, has some hormones there that that are showing in a way. Now, thinking in that, thinking in that, because the people attack, the people come and they're being and they're going to be

mal and take a lot and takes attention, in all this. Now that your name has been a lot of

that you know, that all all of the people not really like, like,

like, no it's sufficient attention and, and then they're

doing different. How you feel? No, the truth that me, that I feel very

content, well, so now so, that the organisms have been, uh,

was, uh, in this, in this grand decision, uh, let's, let me

all the things, I feel me feel very very tranquill, well, now so, now, so

I mean, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's done to do some, um, some studies, of the cabo'

of my unas, mil votes of the blood, so the really, I mean,

I'm a great, and I don't consider a person a person a trampos, nor in the sport,

and in the life, then I think, I think, I consider a person a real, and then,

and, now, so, to get, well, physically to my plays. Yes, I actually

feel good about this. And I do feel supported. You know, we give all the proof that they were asking. In fact, I forgot to mention that they actually analyzed my hair, my nails, a lot of blood.

But this is just proven, I'd like to say, and I know that I'm not a cheater, whether in life or in sports, I am a clean guy. I always work hard. physically, mentally, emotional to get to where I am. But like I said, I do feel glad that the way things are happening.

Okay. So now you can resume your career, right? There's nothing that can stop you. You can fight whenever you want. So you can resume your career, right? No, no, there's nothing that you're standing for that you will be able to belear, correct? Yes, so there's no, no, no, there's no case. So we're limpions and we can, we can continue to go ahead and go to

and to play with who who can say. Yes, that is true. There is no punishment. There's nothing. We can just go out there and begin fighting with whoever I'm able to. Okay, and just curious.

Last thing on the test, do you have any idea how your your tests came with this contamination? Anna, do you have any idea what happened? Do you have any sort of clue? Cool. And one

back, regressando to talk to talk about to the tests, you know, you know,

how is that these tests have done that they're a idea, a piece,

of how is that they get a result to do that? That's a that's, that's,

the, those supplements were, were contaminated in this, as I do know, that I did you

my, I did the sublimants that I always I don't, this, those, those,

I, for, in line, and, and, and, and, and,

so, So, we're, now, we mandamous to check all what we had eaten, what we had we had tombs that we used in Arabia, then cremas of there, um, food, barritas of protein, mandamos, all my supplements. So, there was where, where, the four supplements, uh, was botarine, there, of that they had pregninolona, no?

So, so, supposedly that so, uh, was, alter, no, the levels, but even as the levels were very bad. So, if they were passed by one thing minimum, then as, as, as I don't mean, it was, that no me helped me in nothing to improve my rendiment of physical.

Okay, so see, we did notice that the supplements, we did notice the supplements were contaminated. We, I had ordered these supplements online, so that's what came out contaminated, because we checked everything. I mean, we checked my supplements.

I even checked the shampoo, the lotion, the food, my granola bars. And that's how we found out that four of the supplements had that chemical. And even so, they were very, very low levels. They were very low levels. But that's how we found out that they were. It was supplements that I had ordered online, four of them. Did you ever hear from Bruno Saras? He spoke after the initial story came out and he was critical of you.

Now that you've been cleared, has he reached out to you to offer any sort of apology or any sort of, you know, olive branch after all this came out? Oh, you know, of Bruno Saras, he was, he was talking of that, but after that you, you know, you've got, you, you know, some contact, some, a disculpt, or something? Occurried something?

No, the truth that no. No, we've received, right? So, that, yeah, that's just that all the people that were, well, of me, well, now, well, now, so, now, so, but, well, it's part, it's part of, no. it's part of that that's that

they're saying things so the fact that I think I'm really I'm in the personal I'm still

I'm content of that you that has said that has not been any apology

no contact in fact no one who said anything is saying anything now

everybody's quiet and you know I just see it this way it's all part of it it's all part of this life

but I am glad and I'm very happy that the way the way things are and move on. So that doesn't bother you.

So that doesn't bother you? That they're not apologizing, that they're not reaching out. No, you're not saying, that they're not trying to communicate, not you

don't you molesta that? No, well, I mean, well, now, is, it's part of the work, no, it's part of, well,

now, so, to be there, in that, in that level, that they're, that they're, that they're talking to you,

And so, Steve, the truth, that no me molesta, I'm trying to fix me the most possible in those things and, you go ahead, to continue concentrated in my career, continue working, continue training, and, and, and,

you know, it actually doesn't bother me very much. It's all part of this job. You know, there's always people talking about you. Everybody's going to say something. So, I'm just right now, I just want to stay focused. I want to continue trading. I want to continue doing my job and be prepared for what's coming.

At this juncture, do you have your next fight? In this point, in this moment, you have your next play? No, no, we don't have, we still not have prepared, prepared or not, but we're going to be back,

maybe in November, December, this is what we're we don't have anything prepared yet. But yeah, we're expecting to, hopefully coming back in November or December,

that's what we're hoping for. Okay, Do you have an opponent in mind? Is there someone that you would like to come back against? Do you have a person that you would like to come back against? Do you have a guy who you'd like to play? No, no, we don't have nobody in the mirror. Supposed, we're going to play right in September.

No, so I didn't know who. We didn't know the date, but we don't have a rival. So, then, then, well, now, so now, so now that's the second plan, right that we've got to resolve, then we'll see what is what the people and what proposals we have for part of the

promo, all the world. No, no one is on my sights right now. You know, I did have a fight that was prepared for September. We had the date, but we did not have the opponent yet. And actually, when all this happened, that became secondary. But now, you know, we're just preparing for

whatever we can get and what people are asking, what they're wanting. I do have to ask, Your trainer, Eddie Raynoso, has received a lot of criticism as well, especially after this, people are saying, you know, bringing this all together and saying that, oh, he's someone that doesn't play by the rules, that trains fighters who are not, you know, fighting clean.

Do you feel like he is owed an apology after this? You want to ask you to train a friender, Eddie Reynoso. He also, they've also, have said that is someone who plays with the rules. Crees, you think, you know, he's worth it, too, a discus. Yeah, so I think I think I'm

it's in a question I'm in the conference past that I've said that I'm said that I'm

had said anything to be with my supplementation or with that has said that positive

he simply me train he, he no he doesn't he doesn't he has to take

nothing then so I think I think if he if he's he's he no is

responsible of nothing of what what happened Yes, I do I do believe that he deserves an apology. You know, at my last interview,

I mentioned that he has, you know, he's my training. He has nothing to do with what I eat. He doesn't feed me. He doesn't give me my drinks. He just trains me. And so I truly believe that he does deserve an apology.

This weekend, Canel Alvarez, who you fought last year is fighting Terence Crawford. Who do you like in that fight? this week of the

play of Teres Crawford who who who you do

I'm I think that canelo I do I think is more

great is more more more experience than Crawford so

so I think I think he should definitely I don't well in my

opinion I believe that canello canelo canelo should be the one

who wins you know he's he's bigger he has he has more experience He's stronger, I truly believe that he should take the win.

You think he wins via decision, or do you think he's able to stop Crawford because of his size and power? Do you think he's that he'll gain for decision, or you think he'll be able to detain him for his experience and for his power? I think that Canelo can't have to, I think, as well as far as, and I think, I think, well, not, not is the same to be in the Super Welters than in Super Medi. So, if, two, three divisions, if they're doing the difference, then I think Canelo can take for the way of the knockout. Oh, I do believe that Canelo can stop him. Like I said, he's bigger, he's stronger.

It's not the same thing being in the welter than being in the middle weight. You know, so I believe that he'll be able to stop him. Did you train with him for this fight? And you've trained with him for this No, no. No, okay. Okay, and just curious, perhaps Chris Eubank Jr. and

Connor Ben, the winner fights you. What do you think of that? Could you repeat the names again, please? Chris Eubank Jr. and Connor Ben, are you interested in perhaps fighting the winner of that of that fight in November? Okay, in the playa of Chris Eubank Jr. and Connor,

you're interested in to play with the that the game of that play? Yeah, so we're we're

going to think that's a lot of a lot of a play to be able to be playing with the winner

with the winner. Oh, yes, definitely. I truly believe there's going to be an exciting fight,

and I would like to be ready to fight the winner from that from that fight. Okay, well, thank you

for coming on. Hami, is there anything else you want to say regarding what has happened over the past couple months

feel like you have cleared the air now. Oh, much thanks for having been here. There's a little more that you want to say about what happened

in the last two months, or you think you are free and clean your, you, all the

really, simply to thank you for the space and to thank to all the people that

that's always me has always been that's always me has been to playing, so let's let's say,

we're going to get more and come in the good. Salus, my friend in Mugia.

no no thank you i i would just like to thank you guys for the space that you have been giving me the people all my supporters and just i'm grateful for all of them and just letting you guys know we're coming back stronger and we truly believe that what's coming is the best is yet to come okay uh good luck much thank you very much and uh we'll talk to you soon take care well thank you so much okay thank you so much there he is uh hymium mungia really appreciate him coming on clearing the air again More often than not, A sample, B sample back, you're in trouble. And he has been able to clear his name.

And it's unfortunate in these situations we come out. You know, I remember doing the show without A. Should be banned. Should be this, that. And then, you know, once you get cleared, you know, the front page news is the crime. And then when you're cleared of any wrongdoing, that's like page 35. Just kind of the way it goes. So you feel for him.

You feel for the team. but hopefully he could put it behind him and move on. Now, there's some other things that we need to get to and let us do that. There is a breaking news story developing right now that has nothing to do with combat sports, but I do see a lot of you talking about it in the chat, and it's quite shocking and gigantic. And so let's just react, since we are live right now, this is a story. I'm reading this from yahoo.com.

from Yahoo News. Charlie Kirk, he is the conservative activist, as they call him, shot at a Utah Valley University event, according to the school. Charlie Kirk, a popular conservative commentator, was shot while speaking to a large crowd at Utah Valley University in Orem, Utah on Wednesday, a spokesperson for the university confirmed. Kirk was speaking at a planned open-air rally at the school when a single shot rang out near the food court. Kirk was struck, but his condition is unknown. A suspect is in custody, and the campus has been closed for the rest of the day, a university spokesperson told Yahoo in an email.

Kirk is a prominent conservative activist and an ally of President Trump. He co-founded Turning Point USA, an organization that advocates for conservative politics on high school and university campuses. Quote, we must all pray for Charlie Kirk, who has been shot. Trump posted to Truth Social, a great, guy from top to bottom, God bless him. FBI director Cash Patel wrote in a post on X that the Bureau was closely monitoring the situation. This is shocking. Again, I'm not someone who gets riled up because of politics. We've talked a little bit about it here on the program. It is

incredibly volatile. It's incredibly divisive. It's incredibly toxic. For someone of his stature, of his notoriety of his fame to be shot and according to some reports in in some bad shape right now is, I mean, it's just, it's insane. Political violence is insane to me. And I, and I know it's very divisive and I know it's extremely, it's extremely tense right now in this country and not just in this country, around the world, in Canada, where I'm from, extremely tense all I mean everywhere I don't know if if look let's not pretend that politics haven't always been divisive and intense let's not pretend that there haven't been assassinations and and assassination attempts and riots and protests this has happened it does

feel because we live in a social media era where things get you know amplified in in in ways that could never happen in the past and just because we're living in these times and just because how intense and passionate people get with these topics and how divisive it has all been over the past decade or so. And also how for some reason it feels like, you know, we remember in the 90s Michael Jordan once saying, you know, Republicans buy sneakers too. And now it feels like everyone has a political take. and I'm okay with that as long as we can all respect each other and shake hands and be like, yeah, we're all human beings trying to make the world a better place.

This is not that. This is awful. This is shocking. I believe he's a husband and a young father. It's awful stuff. It's really disgusting stuff. And you know, you have these open rallies. You have these public gatherings.

and you hope that, you know, everyone is respectful and that it doesn't become a security issue. And here, once again, we see that these gatherings are incredibly dangerous. I don't really know what to make of this. Anyone have some thoughts to share? No, I think you said it very well. Like, senseless. Senseless. It is impossible to justify.

justify, rectify, come to any conclusion other than that this is abhorrent, regardless of political leaning. Like, this is not a political thing. This is a, this is a human thing. It's a political thing in that one would suspect, yes, one would suspect that the reason why he is. Actually, I don't know. Yeah, I've said motivated.

I don't know. Yeah. For those that don't know, Charlie Kirk, right-wing, activist, far right, I don't know. I don't know what's far right, far left, this and that. You know, on the right side of the fence, no doubt about it, very loud and proud Donald Trump supporter, you know, all you, you don't need me to spell it out to you. This is all very, very, very divisive right now and polarizing and controversial, but death or being shot, dramatically changing your life. like none of this is acceptable and none of this is worth it.

So I don't know. I don't see any sort of update on his condition other than what I just wrote what I just read here. Yes, that is the latest that I've seen confirmed anywhere. Yeah, critical condition.

This is now an update. Yahoo has this thing where every like few minutes it's being updated. So it says Charlie Kirk is being treated and is in critical condition, according to the Associated Press. Andrew Colvitt, a spokesman for Turning Point USA, which is the group that he's a part of confirmed to the New York Times

that Kirk has been shot in the neck. CBS News, White House reporter Jennifer Jacobs, said a Turning Point USA official also confirmed that Kirk is at the hospital, but it doesn't look good, quote, unquote. This is from Jennifer Jacobs, Minutes. she's the CBS News White House reporter. Minutes before Charlie Kirk was shot, he had posted Utah Valley University is fired up and ready for the first stop back

on the American comeback tour. Kirk was speaking to students from an outdoor tent. A Utah Valley University alert said a single shot was fired and a turning point USA official says Charlie Kirk is at the hospital, but a quote doesn't look good. Kirk confirmed Kirk was shot in the neck. Kamala Harris condemns Kirk's shooting.

Political violence has no place in America. Yeah, it's awful. What the hell, man? What's happening? Again, I don't want to, Ronald Reagan was shot at many, many years ago. Abraham Lincoln was assassinated. So this is unfortunately, politics are very divisive, people are very passionate, it's very, it's very polarizing, but you just wish that we lived in a time where this type of stuff wouldn't happen. I don't know what else to say. I did happen to see a pretty fucked up tweet from Marvin Vittori.

Can we talk about this one? Jesus Christ. Speaking of the world going mad, Marvin Vittori tweeting there's a young woman who was who was killed

on a Charlotte train her name is Irina Zarutska this happened in late August and the footage I mean like there's no filter on anything so you could see this stuff

and it's and it's awful did you guys see this? Anyone see this? I did, I saw. Yeah, it's just awful. awful. Barbaric. And I guess some person posted a thing about the New York Times having X amount articles on George Floyd, on Trayvon Martin, on Daniel Penny, and zero on this woman. I don't know if this is true, but this is what she posts with a screen grab of zero results. Is it possible

that the New York Times has not reported this? I don't know. Marvin Vittori quotes quote tweet this, F all these people, this, and I'm not going to swear anymore, or I'm going to try not to, because it seems like we're getting, uh, we're getting dinged for this. This S-H-S-H-T is getting out of hand. They control everything. F these Ashkenazi Jews that want to control the world. Here I said it. Wow. Marvel-Mittori. What in the world. This is amazing. How do, how do we get blamed for this? how do we get blamed for this it always comes back to the jews crazy and here i was trying to extend an olive branch to Marvin and talk so nicely about his uh his home country just madness

the the the uh the times we are living in is is crazy the person who attacked this young woman is not jewish how i'm i want to look this up Let me look this up. I just want to see if Marvin is on to something here. Okay, so I typed in her name, and then I typed in the New York Times. And the first article that came up was Ukrainian refugees stabbing in North Carolina ignites a firestorm on the right. And then I see man accused and brutal North Carolina rail slaying faces federal charges.

These are all New York Times articles. So what is he talking about? it's right here is it possible Marvin Tories misinformed or just like not you know following the right people is that possible you guys there's a there's a percentage chance

I believe that could be correct I'm trying to click I don't I don't subscribe to the New York Times unfortunately so every time I'm clicking on the articles but I'm seeing the blurb right here man accused and brutal NC rail slaying faces federal charges

one day ago. Ukrainian refugees stabbing in North Carolina, ignates a firestorm with the right one day ago. So I don't know. I'm sorry to say. Maybe the Ashkenazi Jews aren't at fault. By the way, shout out to Marvin for knowing the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardic. That actually surprises me. Do you guys know the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardic? Who, me? Jordan, probably Ashkenazi, I would imagine. Me, Sephardic.

Ashkenazi's like Eastern European descent. Jordan you're Eastern European Eastern Europe my wife's name Sephardic more you know Middle Eastern my family

I don't know if you guys knew this but there used to be Jews all over the Middle East now they tend to be in one particular place they tend to be just in one but they used to be all over Lebanon my family Egypt have you looked at the numbers by the way of how many people live in those country who are of

Jewish descent these days it's very little, almost zero anyway, thank you to Marvin Vittory for that great, great that great take that was good stuff for Marvin should we go back to the super chats Frank everyone's quiet back there, what is it?

Yeah man, you guys feed me this information I'm going to react to it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, oh. Who the fuck is we? I mean, someone fed it to me. What are the plans for the Bills game? Going to introduce the boys to tailgating?

Great. This is a more positive topic. Should I? The thing is, most people at the Jets game aren't they probably Jets fans

who are tailgating or do you think that there'll be some Bill's fans also tailgating? I think everybody will be telegating. What's going on back there?

Why is everyone so quiet? What are you talking about? You asked the question we gave you an answer. Yeah, it was like a What time? What are you guys doing? Eating a man?

What was the question just now? Those are jets tailgating? Both of them are taking. What's happening? What do you mean? What's happening? How many white tables are you going to jump through? What?

I'm trying to have this one. We're chatting. We're letting our hair down. I'm not hanging out. What time do you want us to come to the game on Sunday? You can come hang out in the tailgate. Nothing's stopping you from doing that. Thanks, man.

Yeah, you're not getting the invite. I'm not going to a Bill's Jets game with my kids and you noted Jets fan. Wow. Why would I want to hang out with the Jets fan? There's going to be enough of them around us. By the way, Jets always played the Bills tough. You know this. It's tough.

Remember that game, the Rogers game? Yeah, three plays in. Yeah, you guys won an overtime. I believe a punt return. Yeah, that guy actually just got cut. Oh. Wow, really? What's his name? Yeah, Russia and Eastern Europe.

What else, Frank? What else? I'll tell you what else. Pizzi, I got like six phone calls, Carol. He does say that a lot. It's actually true. He always says these guys ring me up, and I'm like, who's ringing you up, Pizzi? Really? Because I get text. I don't get rings.

I call him and hang up sometimes just to keep him on his toes. It's actually a great call. he really does say that a lot why does he say that so much it's just part of his charm yeah you're right what else frank what else how would you sum up

the legacy of bellator MMA hmm the legacy of belator Mbabe Belator MMA in my opinion actually lasted longer than I thought it would

they came in they were heavy on the tournaments with Bjorn Rebney they got rid of Bjorn, they brought in Scott Coker. Once Scott Coker was brought in, they relied on a lot of known commodities. They relied on a lot of names that were already established in the world of MMA. Obviously, the Kimbos and the Dadas, but also, you know, like the Leodomachitas of the world and the Rampage Jacksons and the King Moes.

the Frank Mears and the Fadora Emiliananko's, et cetera, et cetera. Everyone's just hard at work back here. We're trying to get some sound, listen to some news and stuff, you know. Trying to keep you in the loop. They did a good enough job,

but when I say good enough job, good enough job of being a second league, but my general feeling, as far as those were concerned is, they never found their way. He goes to a few Jets games here. You guys can have a joint tailgate. Their magic.

They never found their charm. They never were able to capture the heart and imagination of the MMA public, like some other former organizations out there, were able to, namely pride and strike force. People were pride and strike force fans, pride much more than strike force, but strike force is really developing some momentum. People were rooting for their success. They had a loyal, passionate fan base.

I never felt like Bellator had that. Yeah, three plays in. For whatever reason, I never felt like. Belvoir had people that were backed enough. You know how it was never tribal with Beltaire. Yeah, that guy actually just got cut. Yeah, EW has passionate fans. UFC has passionate fans.

VEGISN, he's passionate fans, Belcher does not have that. Pride had that. Strike force had that. Strike force never die. Pride never die. No one's saying Beltor never die. And if we're being fair, I don't think they did a great job of building new stars. Pipple, A.J. McKee, Michael Chandler.

I might be missing one or two but if you compare it to the stars that Strike Force created I mean it pales in comparison I always thought Beltor put on too many shows I felt like their weekly format with the tournaments

Eddie Eddie also had a great run there never didn't allow them to like put on the best fights possible and again, I don't love the tournament format where it's just like, no matchmakers and the best are going to fight the best and it's going to be a meritocracy and all this stuff, just put on the best fun fights.

Elite X actually has, like, if you guys, can anyone name me their top three, give me your top four or five favorite Bellator fights? Chandler versus Alvarez. Everyone will say that? Yeah. And then what?

like nothing sticks out nothing breaks through right and they did over 200 events I mean honestly Michael Chandler is kind of in all of them Michael Chandler versus Eddie Alvarez Michael Chandler versus Will Brooks Michael Chandler versus Patricio

Pitbull all rivalries and Chandler was kind of like the face of all of it um A. Jamie Key Pitbull that was a big moment wasn't like a great fight but it was just a big moment Yeah.

There's not that... Johnny Eblen, Gagard Musassi. Yeah, you were there. I was in attendance. But you know what I mean? Nothing really broke through. Also, you can name like UFC 267, right? Jan Blahovic versus Glover to share.

I can't name you a single Bellator event. And they were all numbered. Yeah, nothing can I. Belator 198? Belter 200, I remember, because they had Cyborg on that. I don't even remember who she fought. But just nothing broke through. So that's kind of their legacy.

But would you have, would you say that they or Strike Force were a more consistent number two to the UFC? Strike Force. Strike Force. Strike Force had some momentum there towards the end. Now consistent. What do you mean by consistent? Like, like over a prolonged period of time. Obviously, Belvoir, I think.

Strike Force burned hot when it did and had. It was hot and fast. The best point you made was like, Oering, Rockhole, Corn, and. Like, the names are just, like, ridiculous when you think about Strike Force. Strike Force had a two-year run. So they were more prolonged. And actually, Strike Force wasn't just two years old. But remember, Strike Force came into play March of 2006, I believe it was, with the Caesar Gracie fight.

Yeah. And between 2006 and 2009, they were just a sort of Northern California promotion. When Elite XC goes under in late 2008, and then they have their first event with the Showtime deal, which was Frank Shamrock versus Nick Diaz, it's April, that's April of 2009, I was there. April of 2009 to March of 2011, they're sold. So we romanticized Strikeforce, but it was really just a two-year wild and wacky run.

Bellator lasted a hell of a lot longer. That's kind of the thing I'm asking. But it's, but I could, let's talk, let's talk great strike force fights. Diaz Daily, Frank Shamrock against, Cungley like cyborg Gina like we could

go on and on about great strike force fights the reality is it was all driven

by the stars you know it's the fact that they had fighters that people

wanted to see uh and delivered on that especially during that period and whereas

bellitor to your point like there weren't a lot of people who emerged from that but like they had events

that you remember you know they had chale the chel tito rivalry kind of culminated there we had

Kimbo fighting for them in big shows it did not take hold with the MMA audience in the way that you would have hoped and expected as you said but I do feel like they were always the kind of consistent number two for a long enough period that that's the legacy you know overall though I look back on on strike force more fondly

no certainly the highs were much higher not even not even close what else Frank what else Beaselbub says we enjoy the banter between y'all in addition to the guest, more like 50-50. All right, I feel like we're you know, I feel like we're pretty close to that, no?

Farrow says, people want more chat on recent fights on Mondays. I feel like we give them that. I mean, when the show starts on time. And prayers for Charlie Kirk and his family, scary. Thank you. Happy... Oh, okay. I knew you said

and, so I thought that meant. Yeah. I thought. you said. Oh yeah, oh yeah, this is a good one. Happy three years to the greatest ringer episode ever. Legend has it, Ariel's ghost is still roaming newer carport in search of a kosher sandwich. What a time that was. Tell us more. Oh, you don't know about this? Of course you know.

This is Hamzad against Nate Diaz. The Ringer MMA crew is on Spotify Green Room. Myself, Chuck Mennon Hall and Pizzie Carroll. Correct me if I'm wrong here, D.C. Is this 279? Nailed it. Yeah. So we're doing the way-in show. we get word early on. So we used to do a live way and show

on this app called Spotify Green Room when we were doing the ringer show. And the fact you're saying that like a throwback. I remember when like it came to be. Yeah, this app, this thing called Spotify Green Room myself. It was very fun because we would react in real time

and we start to get word that Hamzad isn't going to make Wade and maybe he's not going to fight. And so we're doing this thing. We're like, hey, we're going to stick with this until the very end. So we would do this. It was in Vegas, so I believe it started, it was 12 to 2, because it was a 9 a.m. Pacific way in. So 12 to 2. I had a flight at around 7, and I'll tell you where I was going. And then all of a sudden he's not showing up, and all of a sudden we're starting to get word that they're going to rejigger the whole card. So it was Hamza, Nate, God, I won't remember any of this. I think Kevin Holland, Daniel Rodriguez.

Yep Lee Jingleang Tony Ferguson Or did I speed that up That is correct Yeah Was it Lee Jingleang and Tony Ferguson Why do I feel like that's wrong?

No I'm pretty sure that's right Lee was fighting at 55 No It was definitely Homs out Nate Was it Holland Tony Ferguson Was fighting Let's just look this up.

Yeah, I'm looking it up as well. Yeah, no, it was Leach. It was. Yeah. It was supposed to be finding the Leach. Okay, so then it became Hamzat, Holland? Correct. D-Rod, Leach, Ferguson, Diaz.

They switched it all up. And so we're doing this, and then we get to a point where I don't remember what the number is. The number continues to grow. I think it was like 75,000 people were listening to this. It's an insane number. And it was a great day for us because we were trying to get this app that no one was using that no longer exists off the ground. And we would average, on a pay-per-view post-show, we would get like 10 to 12K people listening to this thing. And it was wonderful.

It was beautiful. And it felt like we had really, like, built something. But then at some point, I have to leave. I have to go. And I have to go on this flight. But the beauty is that you can still talk into your phone. It was just all done via our phone. So, Ant was a part of the crew as a sort of like ancillary member, character.

Oh, we could take phone calls. That was very fun. So we met a lot of wild and wacky characters, some of which are still part of our lives now. Shout out, A-dub and Lewis. Where have you gone? What was his name? Ghali. The Liverpool fan.

This is going to kill me. James Tehuno? No, someone's going to mention it. Keep my fucking name out your mouth Anyway No, you're really helping out a lot It's very I cannot remember the name of this man

No, if Pizzi were here he would remember Anyway I get on the I get in the cab I get to the airport I'm in the security line and these guys are still going and I remember that they announced the fight or the new card just as I was about to take off I couldn't believe it because I wanted some sort of

you know I wanted some sort of conclusion to all this and so we were on the air and there was a point where Chuck had to leave to rewrite his story for the ringer so there was a point where it was just pizzi and ant waxing poetic taking calls and whatnot and that must have been the peak yeah Oh, it was great. It was great stuff. I listened to the entire thing. I sat in my office in my house, listening to the entire thing, cranking out memes all day. It was a great day.

It was a legendary day. And I remember it fondly because I was flying out to Pittsburgh to do this story for real sports, which I was just thinking about recently. I'm so upset that this story never aired. This was the story where we spent a weekend at a nudist resort, and I got to hang out with a lot of fascinating people in the nude. I was not in the nude, who were a part of, this Super Bowl of nude volleyball tournament. It was, it was wild. It was such a cool

experience. Honestly, it was because they were such beautiful souls with incredible backstories. There's one, there's one shot. I only have one piece of footage from it, which I took like from the cameraman who was showing me afterwards, the monitor. We do those walk-and-talks. It's me and this real estate agent, and his dong is just completely out. We're doing the walk-and-talk. He's fully nude. And I'm walking around in a flannel. they were great people I really did enjoy them but I think it was great journalism

then of course they canceled the show yada yada yada all that anyway yes shout out that was three years ago what else frank what else we also had the suit for that car oh yeah yeah yeah and lastly don't bite highway hawani is the real

107 oh okay I don't really sure what that means but I'll take it let me just answer a couple more of these questions here Ace Crouton says Hello, Ariel, I disagree with Yahoo Fantasy and would like your opinion for Fantasy Baseball, the default regular season tiebreaker

is highest winning percentage from the last game. Team A and team B were tied for the last playoffs by Team A won the regular season 2. Bro, what is this question? This is what I'm coming back for? Mark Davies, quick one, Ariel, love you in the show, for someone who tends to pride himself in pronouncing names correctly, for the love of God,

can you please say Paul Craig's name the right way? It's Craig. like the word vague but with a CR Craig not Craig heavy emphasis on the A Craig

like vague sorry it's been bothering me way more than it should what do you think about that G.C. How do you pronounce his name? When you say Craig it sounds like you're just saying Paul Craig with a Scottish accent no I'm saying Craig that's how they say it

on the broadcast who says it on the broadcast Craig Paul Craig? No, he's saying vague. Vague? Craig. Paul Craig.

Paul Craig. All right. Paul Craig. Needmore Frank says, Ariel, what was your vision for the show at the start? Did you ever imagine it would evolve into the current iteration? Well, originally it was the MMA hour, and then it was just MMA, and I used to feel strongly about just keeping it to MMA.

But then when we came back, I wanted to talk a little of this, a little of that, and so I thought it was time to evolve it into this. MMA, I feel like, is our anchor, is our baby, is our base, is our foundation, and then there's the other stuff around. Now, I will say, about a year ago, I thought, oh, maybe we'll delve into, like,

a little bit of NBA, a little bit of soccer, a little bit of this, and I feel like we've kind of just stuck to the combat sports lane. What do you guys think? Yeah. I like the combat sports line.

Slava. Hey, Ariel, in your Algeman-Sterling interview, he no sold you twice and answered a complete different question when you asked him how his wife I felt about him Corning Mara before. By the way, you know how I always make that joke about the save the date? Al Jameen Sterling. Yeah. First one. And he'll be there. First one. You're going, are you saving the date? Are you saving the date? Well, I don't know. Oh, no, no. By the way,

for the record, I did say I'm the best person to send the save the day to because I'll send you a gift. Fair play. But I, you know, I did say this then. Yeah. Fair play. Sending a gift. He's taking you up on it. He's the first one to actually come through. Yeah, I'm saying you're going to send a good? Wait a minute. That can't be true, right? Yeah, who else? Didn't Jojo and John would send us?

Yeah, but did I make the joke with them? Maybe I did. Yeah, I have their gloves right there. Glove, right? Was the save the date, right? Didn't Jordan send you a save the date? Yeah, and I can't confirm that here's a great person to save the date, too?

Yeah, because I... Wow. How about that? I mean, I must be VI fucking P because I had hellwani on my wedding. I shut up. Saturday afternoon. Remember it. By the way, correct me if I'm wrong.

Your anniversary is 10 years next month. You're the son of a gun, because that is correct. I remember 2015. I was going to say he talked about that this morning. Weird. I got served it by Facebook. October 2015, right? That is correct.

October what? 17. Oh, October 12. Did you. Anyway, he says, is there a chance that he actually didn't hear you? No, I don't know. Maybe I was talking over him. In general, what's your policy philosophy when somebody is completely avoiding the question?

I don't think he was avoiding it for any sort of like uncomfortable reason. I think he just didn't hear me. Hey, I was wondering, after all these years interviewing people, do you have an internal clock that tells you how far into the interview you are? Or are you looking at the clock to see how far you're into the interview? Thanks, much love from Netherlands. No, I just kind of look at the clock, actually. Tyler, good day, Ariel, what's with this crap about not allowing your son to stay up and watch the bills game on Sunday? My question is, who is under more pressure Saturday, John Silva or Diego Lopez?

Silva trying to avoid the fighting nerds going on three this month, Diego trying to remain in title contention. I'm going to say, Diego, lose this one and you're not really in the mix? I honestly don't think either I think they're both in good position win or lose their fan favorite slugger guts and glory type fighters

they'll be fine Ariel what's up great win for the Buffalo Bills last week it got me thinking how do you eat your wings do you use blue cheese or ranch I'm a blue cheese guy you know that's how we do it in Buffalo

and if the answer is ranch you're wrong shout out to all the fans well there you go and I do like the what is it I like the... You like drumsticks are flat. I like drumsticks, yeah.

Which I feel like that's a less popular opinion. I love me some flats. I've never seen anyone order drumsticks only. Me and I've seen many many of flats only. I didn't know you could do that, by the way. You could do that, yeah. I would have to do that. I feel like you're a bit of a nuisance if you do, though, you know.

It's explained to me... It was explained to me by my mother-in-law, who is, in fact, from Luffalo, who is, in fact... Drumsticks are more of the woman-affair, and flats are for the man. So would she would order them, she said... like, Frank, you want the flats? And I was like, yeah, she's like, good man. This is straight for Buffalo. It's a tight ship.

No, no, they're very, very, very particular. There's gender identification. Yeah, in Buffalo. Fucking, yeah. I tried to bring ranch to, I tried to bring ranch. No, fuck I'm talking about. Yeah, I like the drumsticks. Oh, yeah.

You guys know where you sit. Never had a drumstick in my life. Never even seen one. What does it look like? Yeah, fuck it. I don't care. I like a drumstick better. I just love wings,

that first bite on the drumstick is so much meteor. You get that chunk at the top versus the wing. You've got to pick out that middle part. Don't get me wrong. I'll clean that thing off, but I like the drumstick better. Hey, speaking of... Regardless of what the gender identifying. Hey, speaking of...

Regardless of... Gabriel asks, for G.C., what's one cuisine you would love to cover for Fight Feast, but haven't had the opportunity? Oh man Italian would honestly To go to a little Italy here Chinese food we've come close

But haven't been able to do it Yeah there's still a few Worth knocking off We've really wanted to do that Chinese one but it hasn't worked out timing I really wanted to do Shanghai needs Oh god That's my favorite

Where the card was yeah Mac asks Do you have a limit to what you allow yourself To cover in the sport Like if suddenly the clan was invited To sit in the front road Can we all just agree to go watch something else because I sometimes feel we are only a couple of steps from that.

No, I don't think so. But maybe this goes back to the Andrew Tate thing earlier. I mean, I just, you just, you cover what it is, you know, and coverage is not endorsement. That's my general feeling. One more question. Darren Ross, hey Ariel, so happy the gang are all, back. Wanted to know your thoughts on Nuno getting sack from Forrest. Writing seemed to be on

the wall from last season. I recently completed weight room projects for the club at the training ground and stadium. What? So at least the squad will be strong to compete this season. Hey, shout out to Darren. He's helping the boys get strong. It was great seeing behind the scenes at the city ground and the training ground despite being an MUFC fan, GGMU Pizzi. Keep up the good work team, Darren. Well, shout out to you. Look, I'm seeing all the reports. now and the Greek connection and all this stuff. It seemed like Nuno saw the writing on the wall when they brought in Edu, and it seemed like he kind of wanted out because you don't do press conferences

talking the way in which he did if you don't want to be out. It's a little bit shocking because he had an unbelievable dream season. Last year, got them in Europe, doubled the points, went from 17th to like 6th. Now the pressure's on Big Edge. It is surreal to see. Jordan, did you see Big Edge walking in there with the Forest gear today? thanks to big Ange or is it Ange?

I don't know. Anyway, it's surreal to see... It's big onk, actually. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Surreal to see him in there. Listen, we now have to move on. Nuno's going to get another job.

I wish this didn't happen. I can't see how anyone could be upset with the way in which he had the team prepared the way which he changed his whole club and culture. But we have to support the Gaffer. We have to be behind them. And at the end of the day, it's about the crest right here. All right.

It's not about the name on the back. It's not about the sponsor in the front. It's about this thing right here with the two stars above it. Oh, yeah, this one right here. Yeah, no, this is an actual nightmare because they've all been away, and they're playing Arsenal on Saturday. Elliot Anderson, by the way, two men of the matches for England.

How about that? The young midfielder killing it alongside Mr. Morgan Gibbs White. What is this? What is this? Oh, okay. Just one second.

I want to see. Are we missing anything? Darren Till tweeted something to Powell Costa today. Did you guys see that? I did see that, yeah. Here it is. I wish Powell Costa.

Pauline would leave the UFC to come and box me. I'd fucking stone his big fat, stupid, resilient uh, shit oh, a little Portuguese from Darren. Named Portuguese. Can he speak? Portuguese? Oh my God. Really well?

Wait, wait a second. You've never heard Darren's No, no, I have. I have. It's just like, it's like a fever dream. It's like you forget that he can do it. No, not only that, it's him with his, like, the scouse accent. The scouse accent with the Portuguese. You've done it on the show before. It's unbelievable. It's mesmer. when he does it.

I mean, his accent is mesmerizing, period. And then I saw a bit of a back and forth with him and Andrew Tate. And then I saw a back and forth with Paolo Costa and John Silva. And then I saw, because I think Costa was hating on Boholio. I think that's who Carlos Pratchez was talking about yesterday. And then John Silva with Diego Lopez. I saw that. What else?

Am I missing anything else? I do see this, courtesy of Michael Venham Page. Michael Venham Page is starting a new promotion. On Saturday in the U.K., it's an all-stand-up, all-striking promotion, drawing on talent pool similar to the background from MVP's younger days. It's called Total Combat.

The pilot event was quote-unquote carnage and ran an 80% finishing rate. It's live on ITVX this Saturday. It's a big streaming platform, 40 million subs. It's the home of Love Island. Live on BN Sports, if you're worldwide, or in the U.S. You can watch it on Triller. MVP production company, ITM Productions, is producing it.

Timing, though, it's got to be pretty good. It seems a little bit like karate combat, but Michael Vennam Pages is involved. So good luck to him. 2 p.m. Eastern. This Saturday, September 13th, Total Combat with a K. Check it out. One of the many events happening this Saturday. Crocker Donovan,

Notcha UFC, Canello Crawford, watch party on Saturday. That is correct. Yep. Boys in the back tomorrow. Yep. Top five? Uh-huh.

Still workshopping? No, we got it. We got it. You'll just have to tune in tomorrow for how we get there. You usually tell us. Actually, yeah. Yeah, it's, it makes sense. It's a bit of a twist. That's all I'll say. It's a bit of a twist. Oh, G.C. It's one of our dumbest yet. Oh, boy. And we've done some dumb ones, top five greens.

We were going through the pound for pounds we've done. We've done some dumb ones. Tomorrow is quite dumb. Our secondary one was almost the dumbest, and it was incredible. And then we almost combined the two to make the dumbest of all time, but we just went with one of the... There's a twist. Oh, God. All right.

Yeah, it's good. What a tease. 416 sub-B-I-T-B. 4-1-5. Yeah, shout to the Bay Area. 4-15 is Bay Area? Did you guys choose that? Yep.

Absolutely. Shout out. Shout out indeed. Terence Crawford responds to drunk Iliate's callout. I mean, oh my dear. Oh, what is this? Oh, dear. Do I read this? Well, Donald Trump, according to Donald Trump on truth social, writing that the great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. No one understood or had the heart of the youth in the United States of America better than Charlie. he was loved and admired by all, especially me, and now he is no longer with us.

Melania and my sympathies go out to his beautiful wife, Erica, and family, Charlie, we love you. God, that is, it is, it is awful. And unfortunately, I did see some footage, and it's just, it's just, it's horrible to, to lose your life like this. And it's, it's a shocking thing, especially for it to play out on, on social media like that. especially I would imagine the motivation to be political, a reminder that none of this is worth dying for. None of this is worth dying for. We should all be able to have discourse.

We should all be able to debate, to disagree. We should all be able to have opinions. But then we should all be able to respect each other and shake hands and be like, all right, you know, God bless, you know, we'll argue another time. But this is just. And look, there are deranged people out there. There's no doubt about it. And there are people who need help.

And there are people who, there are horrible human beings out there. There's just no denying it. We are never going to live in a, in a Shangri-La in a world where everyone is perfect and everyone is good and everyone's a kind soul and everyone is looking out for each other. And everyone's trying to, you know, to live a peaceful existence. It's never going to happen, unfortunately. There's always going to be evil. There's always going to be horrible people.

And this is just, this is just another. example of it. So an awful way to end the day. And I don't have any strong feelings towards Charlie, I didn't really consume his content. I don't really know much about what he puts out. I do know he's a political activist. I do know he's on the right side of the fence, as I said, so to speak. But you never want to see this young man with a young family. It's just an awful thing. So condolences to his family and to anyone who is a fan. I'm sure this is not, I'm sure this is a shocking thing, and I hope, and I'm probably wrong, but I hope there's not, because it's so polarizing and devising, I hope there's not celebration

over this, but nothing would surprise me, especially not in this country where right now it's just very, very, very divisive. And you could get into why it's devices, we know all the reasons, we know the history, we know how we got here, but still it's disheartening. And it's deflating. It really is. So on that note, we say goodbye. And we hope for a better day.

I did enjoy our conversations today. Why can't the world be filled with Joseph Parker's? You know what I mean? Joseph Parker. That's who we should strive to be. I do like Alex. Hernandez a.k. Alexander Hernandez, aka El Gran Chango, I believe. I do like his vibe. Straight shooter. Wow.

Keeps it real. Doesn't give an F. Has been through a lot ups and downs, has rebounded, has dusted himself off, has gone on a nice run now. has put it all together. His team changes its name. Every fight week. They don't have a name this week, but the intention is there, I would imagine. I enjoyed that chat.

It's been a while since we talked to him. Thank you very much to Alexander Hernandez. Good luck to him this Saturday against Diego Fajara. Thank you to Charles Olivera. Good luck to him on October 11th. That's rapidly approaching, by the way, a month away. Raphael Fazia, big fight, Rio de Janeiro.

And congrats to him on the partnership with Project Rock and Under Armour. Thank you very much to the Big Goose, Joseph Parker. Good luck to him on the 25th of October. And thank you very much to Jaime de Jiuquia for coming on and clearing the air as well. Thank you to everyone who sent in questions.

Thanks to all of you out there. God bless you all. Thanks to all of them. Back on Thursday, I'll say,