The Ariel Helwani Show - Darren Till, Gable Steveson, Nakisa Bidarian, Dagestan x Ireland 2 coming up

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Ariel Helwani and The Boys in The Back begin On The Nose with questions about Jake Paul's next fight, the trio of Jon Jones, Tom Aspinall and Alex Pereira, who on the show would be the best companion for a long road trip, and more  (12:17). Plus Petesy provides an early look at Dagestan x Ireland 2 in the form of Usman Nurmagomedov vs. Paul Hughes.Gable Steveson discusses his WWE exit, what really happened, his foray into the NFL with the Buffalo Bills, helping Jon Jones prepare for Stipe Miocic at UFC 309, whether an MMA fight is in his future, his return to collegiate wrestling with the University of Minnesota and more (01:01:20).Most Valuable Promotions co-founder Nakisa Bidarian discusses Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson, Netflix's streaming issues, the unprecedented commercial success of the event, the impact it had on boxing, Francis Ngannou's comments, Michael Irvin claiming the fight was rigged and more (01:47:50).Darren Till discusses fighting Tommy Fury, the chaos with John Fury at the kickoff press conference, why he signed the contract without knowing his purse, his plans in boxing, whether he'll really throw a kick if the fight is going poorly, training with Tyson Fury in the past and more (02:32:55).

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R. everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. It is great to be here on a lovely, lovely Wednesday, a bit of an overcast Wednesday in New York City, but it's a great time to be alive. I feel like I was just sitting here like five hours ago. In fact, it was a little closer to, oh, I don't know, 17 or so hours ago. had a tremendous tuesday here at uncrowned hq i am buzzing i'm on a high you know when you're on a high you know when you're like just sort of sleep deprived but feeling so good about life it kind of feels like you're on a high i mean i'm not one to partake in those types of i don't know um psychedelics yes but i do feel like uh i'm on some kind of high perhaps the type of high that life could present to you if you're feeling good about things and i'm certainly feeling good about a lot of things going on in this place down over there

in the control room all all over the place. It feels like we are really all coming together as one. Swimming in the same direction as I do believe they said in Finding Nemo, was it? That's right. Yeah. Shout out. As you can see by looking outside the window, it's a very overcast day here in New York City. You know we're in a drought, right?

We should be like blessing this. We the rain oh i know because uh every time i walk outside my house uh there is uh this smell intense smell of like a forest fire i think there's yeah i think there's something going on down south so uh yes i would like the. Let the rain wash down and spread my tea. Let it wash away. Anyway, yesterday was a great day here at Uncrowned HQ. We had a tremendous show with Chill P's son and the American Gangster. Blessed us with his presence.

What a great time that was. Full show, of course, up on the YouTube channel. Full interview up as well. There were so many highs. I think my favorite part of the interview was when he revealed that he considered managing Francis Ngannou and the dramatic pause upon revealing such a tidbit, I think might've been my favorite part. Nevertheless, I am drinking a almond milk matcha chai latte in honor of my good friend, Chael P.

That was a lot of fun. Mikey Musumechi, a lot of fun. And then at 5 p.m. Eastern, we went live on the DAZN app and YouTube channel for the very first official episode of the Ariel and Ade show. What a time that was. My good friend, Ade Oladipo and I,

sparring when it comes to all things sweet science. We took some nice little photos. He was in his Sunday's best. Look at the studio. I mean, look at us. Look at us. Turnkey operation here. Broadcasting to the world.

Branding. Switch it all up. Yeah, sure. We could do two shows. No problem. no problem. And very proud about that. That's up on the DAZN Boxing YouTube channel, also the app, select clip from the show

up on our YouTube channel as well. Working through it, working through it. Thumbs up to the chat. Much love to everyone out there. And the show rolls on, my friends. By the way, that show, every Tuesday, 5 p.m. Eastern, 10 in the U.K., 2 on the West Coast, from here on out. Plus, the audio up on the Ariel Helwani Show podcast feed. We're working through it, Frank.

Working through it. Working through the kinks. Working through the kinks. Thumbs up to the chat. Now, today's program, we love Wednesdays here. We love to shoot on Wednesdays. We're going to get to as many questions as possible, so let's not waste any time. Back into the show, we are going to be joined by Dad and Till.

Yes, you may have seen yesterday he was involved in all kinds of shenanigans. We don't care. That's right. Well, we care because we're going to have him on. And he was there in the midst of a melee. He was calling John Fury, Little John. I think he said that Tommy Fury has like bread for brains, something like that. The lingo is, you know, it's tough for me to catch all of it.

But it was great scenes. They're going to be fighting January 18th and really kicking off a very busy January in the world of combat sports, certainly in the world that we reside. January 18th, you've got that fight. You also have UFC 311. January 25th, we found out yesterday that we are getting Eddie Alvarez versus Jeremy Stevens, Knucklemania 5. And we found out this morning, we're getting a huge Bellator title fight. Usman Nurmagomedov defending his Bellator

lightweight title against Paul Hughes. It's Dagestan versus Ireland one more time, part two. And they should promote it as such, in my opinion. And I'm going to weigh in on that fight in just a moment. Stick with me. Prior to Darren, Nikita Badarian, co-founder of Most Valuable Promotions, after a massive, massive week, we told you about the numbers yesterday, talked to him about the fight, and then what's next come 2025 for the promotion, and then, of course, for the problem child, El Gallo, Jake Paul, who's next, what's next, where is he fighting, what platform will he be fighting on. And before that, we've got an interview that I've been trying to secure for about six months, ever since Gable

Steveson parted ways, somewhat shockingly and surprisingly, with WWE, I've been trying to get him on the show. But there was a, you know, there was a period where he couldn't speak. Then he got signed by the Buffalo Bills, my Buffalo Bills. Then he left the Bills. Then he was up in the air. Then he was with Jon Jones. And then just recently announced that he is going back to the University of Minnesota one more time to try to win one more national championship.

And he's doing it again. And it's a sign of the times because back in the day, you couldn't do something like this. He is capitalizing on it. And we're going to get to talk to him in his very first interview since leaving WWE. Remember, he was an NIL signing for World Wrestling Entertainment. A lot of promise, a lot of hype, a lot of buzz attached to him. Showed up at WrestleMania, was on NXT, and then poof, gone. So there's a lot to get to as far as Gable is concerned.

I just want to go back quickly to that January 25 nugget, Usman Nurmagomedov and Paul Hughes. I thought it was very interesting in the branding of the, on the poster and in the press release, I felt, here's the poster, I feel like the Bellator branding is being minimized. It's called Road to Dubai Champion Series. There you see Bellator lightweight title fight.

You see Nurmagomedov versus Hughes. Dagestan versus Ireland too. They are promoting it as such. I think it's smart. January 25th at the Coca-Cola Arena in beautiful Dubai. You see the belt you take a closer look you look at the press release and it very much feels to me like bellator is being phased out dubai department of economy and tourism and dubai sports council partner with the pfl to position dub Dubai as a global hub for MMA. That's the headline. Groundbreaking multi-year partnership includes Professional Fighters League

staging major annual global events dubbed, quote, Road to Dubai and developing future UAE champion fighters. Dubai's first champion series world title fight or event will be held Saturday, January 25th at Coca-Cola Arena. Headline by Usman versus Paul Hughes. Dubai's first champion series world title event. It's almost like champion series is the name of the promotion. And I get what they're trying to do. They're trying to position it as Champions League. You go further into the press release, and you see the first of its kind partnership

will see MMA world champions and the sport's biggest stars from the PFL compete in title fights as Dubai becomes a marquee destination for the best of MMA. All other champion series events will now be co-branded as Road to Dubai. As each show culminates to the finale set in the new fight capital as part of PFL's commitment Champion Series events will now be co-branded as Road to Dubai. As each show culminates to the finale set in the new Fight Capital,

as part of PFL's commitment to developing the sport of MMA in Dubai, rising Emirati star fighters will now have a pathway to become future PFL champions. No mention of Bellator in there. Champion Series is mentioned. It feels to me like Dubai is paying to call this Road to Dubai champion series, and they're going to phase it out. Now, I reached out to sources within the PFL, asked them, hey, what about the Bellator branding? They told me, stand by, more to come. Hey, what about where this is going to air? I noticed no mention of Max in the press release. Stand by, more to come. So these are in the sort of details. And as they say, the devil is in said details. I think that's really interesting. Obviously,

it feels like the Bellator brand is kind of fizzling out. And what everyone wants is for it to just be one promotion. Look, I understand why they keep the Bellator brand alive. They could do deals outside of their UFC deal, excuse me, ESPN deal, no different than when UFC had a deal with Spike and they bought WC and they put WC on Versus. And so they're now enjoying two revenue streams when it comes to broadcasting. That's huge. If you can get it, that's great. Not everyone can get that. You don't think Matchroom would love to have another revenue stream when it comes to TV. Look at WWE. They've got their Netflix deal. They've got their USA deal. They've got their CW deal. That's why they

break it all up. So I get why they do do it the roster isn't deep enough the roster isn't it's just not talented enough to sustain that so off the jump we suspected okay one to two years i think my prediction was two years but then come two years it would fizzle out let's see if it fizzles out it certainly is not going to fizzle out come january because you do see bellator lightweight title mentioned there but it seems like afterwards we may be moving towards a situation where it just becomes I don't know what they're going to call a champion series they're going to try to do something where Africa, Europe, America, Middle East all come together let's see let's see they have grandiose plans I ultimately feel like the best fighting the best,

the biggest fight, meritocracy be damned. For PFL, just make the biggest fights. Make the fights that have the biggest juice, the best storyline, the most heat. And this would be to me an acknowledgement that they agree. Paul Hughes was signed to be a PFL fighter. He hasn't even gone into the PFL season yet. He's fought once in Bellator and once on a PFL pay-per-view, and now he's fighting for the Bellator lightweight title. That to me is an acknowledgement that, hey, why waste time by putting him through a whole ringer of a season, plus playoffs, plus championship, when we could put him in there against a Bellator champion, and that's the biggest fight i mean i can't even tell you who the top dog right now is for the 155 division in uh in the pfl make the biggest fights

make the juiciest fights make the sexiest fights and they're doing that that feels like somewhat of an indictment on their format which they believe so strongly in uh and some sort of acknowledgement that yeah uh the fight game formula which is give the fans what they want, still works. Time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week. It is time for another episode, another edition of On the Nose. Let's get into it, shall we, friends? I think so. On the Nose.

Yeah. Hey, Ariel and crew, this is from Dominic. My question is, why does it seem like the rest of the heavyweight division is being overlooked or disrespected after Tom and John? I often hear comments like, who else is there? Or there is no one else for Tom to fight after John. Obviously, there's the Gan fight and the drama there, but also Volkov is having a resurgence in his career. And I think that the rematch could be very different. And then you still have other great contenders like Almeida, who had just one setback. That would be an intriguing fight for Tom. Separate question. Okay, so let me just address that. Yeah, sure. But like, I mean, come on. We saw John versus Gan. Gan has to fight Volkov. You mentioned Volkov. There's just, I mean, there is those two guys and there's a gigantic drop off. There are two fights left for John. Really? I mean, there's really no argument here. It's Pereira and Aspinall. Aspinall, Pereira. Those are the biggest fights. He could stick around forever and fight this guy,

that guy, this guy, that guy. But those are the two biggest fights. Those are gigantic fights and arguably way bigger than any fight since the second DC fight, if I'm being honest. Bigger than Anthony Smith, bigger than Tiago Santos, bigger than Dominic Reyes. The gunfight was huge. His comeback, his debut, Stipe was huge, obviously to a degree. Those two fights are sexier, bigger, juicier, more intriguing than all of those combined. And that's no knock on the other guys, but they're just not at the level right now. So not trying to be disrespectful. There's just levels. Separate question, but have you heard anything

on why Alexander Romanov was released by the UFC despite only being 33, 73 in the UFC? No, I have not heard. And you know, they're cutting and releasing and signing a boatload of people weekly. Juan Sanchez. Hello, Ariel and crew. My question this week is for GC.

Which uncrowned alter ego team member would you rather go on a seven-hour road trip with? Funk Harbor Ariel, high-pitched voice Frank when he's giving interesting facts or knowledge. I would say it's actually low pitch. He's like, what are you talking about? Well, we got one in the chat for you, Ariel, on this cloudy Wednesday.

How long have you been able to do that? I think you should do that more often. 98.7 FM. I used to do it. I used to work at a radio station in Syracuse when I was a student there called Z89. And I would always say, the beat of Syracuse Z89 It's Ariel Hawane here

Did they train you to do that? Or are you just naturally Just talented bro Anyway Or gout ridden sleep apnea New York Rick Excited to hear your thoughts Much love Juan Alright so the seven hours

Might immediately take out Gout ridden sleep apnea Rick, just because at some point you have to think that he's going to fall asleep, which with the sleep apnea, can he bring the sleep apnea machine with him in the car? Do we have some sort of generator to power it? Or is he just going to be snoring out the ass? And doesn't gout smell? These are good questions.

It has a smell to it, right? Gout sounds like it smells, right? Yeah, it does. Like, man, it smells like gout in here. It smells horrific. So right now, Rick is at the bottom. Funk Harbor Aerial, like, are you continuing to drink Funk Harbor throughout the entire

seven-hour road trip? Or, like, do you come on strong, and then you just pass out halfway through, and it's like, okay, glad that's done. Funk Harbor Aerial, we'll get him in the bed Once we get there No I'm a great time People have actually told me Have gone out of their way

To say I'm one of the most fun times When going out Like a little bit of Grandpa's old cough medicine They have gone out of their way To say There is no one more fun

Than me Out on the town Do you remember when He was falling asleep In Dallas And we called him a car This is what people Are telling me

I don't remember anything I'm just saying This is what people have said Don't remember anything Alright so like We? This is what people are telling me. I don't remember anything. I'm just saying this is what people have said. Don't remember anything. All right. So we'll just have that much fun car, but we don't remember anything. You're losing one driver there, though. Think about that.

If you need him to take over. Yeah, yeah. Seven-hour road trip. We might have to make a switch. How often is he going to have to go to the bathroom, too? We know he's got the strong bladder from the show, but can it make it through a seven-hour road trip? Real talk, though. Have you guys ever been on a long road trip where you have decided that you're going to drive,

and then halfway through you're like, oh, can you drive for me? No. No, it's like you're committed to do the whole drive. I know I'm going to drive. I'm never going to. I'm cool with the driving part. Even if someone's like, Frank, I really like to drive. I'm like, well, then you can get your own car.

Frank, do the one, like the voice that you always do. Which one? Frank, you were in the car with me on the way to atlantic city you never asked to drive because i knew like it was that's not a thing yeah all right so another thing with frank he might not only be talking in that voice the entire time but he's going to be delivering me random facts throughout the entire road trip and that's just going to wear me did you know that you would actually say that's entertaining that you would like that yeah the interstates at the end of an even number It means that they're going east to west

It's facts like this that all you have to do Is simple Google searches If it's a three digit interstate number it means it's a loop And the last two digits will tell you What actual interstate the loop connects to Wow Okay this is great So phone carver Ariel would get along great

With factual crime Love this yes I'm going gout and sleep apnea rick final answer nice wow he started at the bottom just hope that he doesn't go to sleep whoa whoa whoa we've seen him make it through a lot of what is happening over in blanchardstown what is this holy shit i mean what is happening i feel like you're in the studio right now this this started three hours ago i have no i can't move if i move lights cameras everything are are coming apart here once again frank very aggressive yeah what did i tell you about airing that out on on the air like look man i told you that stuff in private this is like tap the mic tap the mic you see the problem is we have a there is this mic is so sophisticated it has a noise cancellation feature if i bang this it will it

just won't make a sound no i want to hear i want to hear i'm going to take it off no no i want to hear i want to hear just do it just do it right now just do it just tap it tap it. I heard it. I heard it. Yeah. We'll be playing you. No, it doesn't sound different. This is all on the conspiracy theory that Pizzi's not actually using the microphone and he's just talking into the laptop. Look how stressed he is right now. Pizzi said that Alshadi texted him yesterday.

It was like a thousand percent you weren't using that microphone. Wow. I was like, hang on a second. I had a bit of a meltdown, but I'm back. He joined on at like 9.50 a.m. Eastern. I was like, oh, good second. I had a bit of a meltdown, but I'm back. He joined on at like 9.50 a.m. Eastern. I was like, oh, good on Pete. He's getting on early so we don't have to deal with this as we're getting lead up to the show.

He was on until like 12.57 doing all the testing. Can I just offer one piece of commentary? We don't care. Is that a butter knife? I do sort of feel like the old mic sounded better. I mean, I'm not going to lie. Commentary? We don't care. Is that a butter knife? I do sort of feel like the old mic sounded better. I mean, I'm not going to lie. Why does it sound a little bit... Fuck.

Yeah. It does sound... Is he okay or what? Is everything all right? Look, he's talking. I can't even hear him right now. Is he talking? He turned himself all the way down.

Did you turn yourself down, PT? What happened? So many fucking buttons here. I don't know what's going on. Turn it up, Frank. Yeah, turn it up. Also, we need him to post a picture of the children's desk that he's working with.

He is working on a desk for a seven-year-old. There's no fucking space. If I touch anything, this whole fucking shit is... We're working through the k kinks we're working through the kinks you look great you sound okay wow we'll get we're working through the kinks we're working through the kinks everything is turning red back here now listen do you guys just want me to say everything's great all the time or do we want because you say that. I wouldn't know what that is.

You could just say it one time. That would be good. One pat on the back. One pat on the back. How many times did I text you about... Can I offer some advice? That's the answer I said. How many times did I text you after Monday's show saying you were phenomenal? You were cooking?

That was only to build me up so you could knock me to the next page. You see, this is crazy. I think I'm actually too generous with my compliments. If I'm being honest, I need to pull back because now they're all falling short. That's what I think. Oh, no. I'm a kind of a,

yeah. Treat, treat them mean, keep them keen kind of guy. You need to just tell me I'm a piece of shit and I'll probably like you more for that. You know, we move along. Uh,

pizza Jones says, hello, Ariel and team, uh, Brian battle on the show. When the promo he cut in France was Helwani on the nose award worthy and then some. Couldn't agree more. We will get him.

Shout out to Chuck Mendenhall. Fantastic, fantastic feature on Brian Battle. We will get him on the show. There's no doubt about that. Jesus. Okay, so like I see this one guy Is asking a question about politics It's 1, 2, 3 4, 5

6, 7, 8 9, 10 11 paragraphs long What do you want me to do with this my friend I want to give a shout out to Jackson for the thoughtful message I love this stuff I think that we should be able to talk about these things. Even yesterday, when I talk about it with Joe,

it's like, look at Ariel whining. How many times do I have to say I'm not whining? Can we not just have a conversation? Can we not just talk things out? Things that have nuance, things that are a little bit more complex than who's going to fight who, without people being like, look at him whining.

Look at the snowflake. And so I'm sure this is a great comment or question or commentary, but I just can't read 11 paragraphs right now. I really want to. And anyways, can you maybe send it next week a little bit shorter? That would be great. Lewis Moderator Emeritus Lewis And let us all Frank If we could get Some sort of fun Music I don't know If we have any music

We still don't have a license Okay Yeah Okay I mean That's the ad-aid music But Mazel Tov Mazel Tov

To our good friend Moderator Lewis Who became a father Last week guys Wow How about that Congratulations Lewis

Yes And his partner Yes yes Mazel Tov to everyone Shout out to them Hopefully everyone is Feeling good Getting some sleep

Healthy Happy And wishing everyone Nothing but the best So Mazel Tov Here he is As the former moderator Summarize your question

In one Oh He's telling the guy He's telling the guy See here he is He says As the former moderator Summar summarize your question in one sentence. Edit the question and put it at the top.

Short and concise. This is a wall of text. Thank you. Thank you. Even put it into chat GPT and say, can you make this one sentence? Yeah. Hutt. Ariel.

Trump appointed Linda McMahon. Have we become a MAGA channel here, Frank? What's going on? What have you done to us? Is this the Gutfield show? Trump appointed Linda McMahon as education secretary, which is mind-blowing. Dana White has said he would leave the UFC to fill a cabinet role for Trump. Question one, do you see Dana leaving the UFC within the next few years for a Trump position?

No. Question two, what the fuck is going on in this country? Thanks a lot for the show. Yeah, did you guys see that? Linda McMahon Secretary of Education I think it is Saw that last night Pretty big

Couldn't be happier Dr. Oz as well Really Yeah that was What is his role Something to do with health Yeah I mean it makes sense Because he's got all those

I mean Who's next Dr. Phil next Who's next Who's next Who do we got So WWE McMahon that's awesome.

Yeah. Dr. Oz. TV health. Yeah. Dr. Phil, secretary of psychology. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Perfect. We're building this out nicely.

Who else? Who else? RFK. RFK. Well, isn't he the health guy? No, there's two health guys. Oh, okay. Aha, right?

I feel like Jake needs something. Jake was pretty hard in the guys. Oh, okay. Baja, right? I feel like Jake needs something. Jake was pretty hard in the pain. Yeah, maybe. Secretary of Athletics or something? Secretary of Problems. Yep, I like that one. That's a good one. Or maybe Ambassador to Puerto Rico.

That's actually a good one. Yep. I wonder if Vince gets a spot Or too toxic at the moment No It seems like never mind Lex Hey Ariel any truth to the Izzy vs. Imavov news For February 1st and Saturday

Truth be told didn't look into it just yet Saw it come through the wire Busy day yesterday but I shall look into it Question for Ariel and the crew In a world where you are ufc fighters getting your own custom shorts what would be on your shorts love the new show keep up the great work um matmo says ariel's would be checkered plaid can i tell you guys something can i shoot straight yes i feel like i'm i never thought i'd say this

i feel like i'm kind of outgrowing the plaid Uh You've outgrown it You think I've outgrown it As soon as you got The Lululemon stuff Over the summer It's it I've been planting the seed I was like

You're done with it I know Andy's wearing plaid today And I was like Maybe this has gotten Too trendy I knew it was really Over when

I was watching Olympic coverage Yeah On the great CBC CBC Thank you With my parents Oh yeah And my mom saw you In the Lululemon She was like Wow coverage on the great CBC with my parents. Oh, yeah.

And my mom saw you in the Lululemon. She was like, wow, he really looks great in these solid colors. He should ditch the plot. I should listen to your mom more. Yeah, you know, I just don't have enough. Fashion design degree in college from the great state university. Oh, I mean, that says it all. I mean, you've seen the drip on me, bro.

And all very solid color. I don't know. I just i it's a different vibe it's a different look it's a different feel we all do have to evolve we all have to change we all have to grow up and i don't quite feel the same i don't know i is it time i don't know it scares me by the way i always used to wear the sbs. Now I'm wearing the NBs from my boy Bam Bam and they're way, they wear more comfortable. Are they, do they have this, are people like, I just, honestly, I just don't really care. I can't be bothered. Nonplussed, as the great Tony McGregor once said. I don't know. We'll look back fondly on the days of plaid wanting.

I mean, it was a great run. It was 15 years. And here I am actually wearing plaid as I say this. Um, but I don't know. I'm just sort of, I feel like I'm changing. You know,

we all change. We all grow up. We all evolve. Uh, do you guys have, uh, what, what would you have on yours?

A peach, a Georgia peach? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. I'd have to really sit down and think, you know, uh,

Rick would have gout. Yeah. I'd have like my, my and think, you know? Rick would have gout. Yeah. I'd have like my list of maladies. Every single thing. Or like the prescriptions for medicine for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ann Evans filled me in that the chat has dubbed him geriatric. Wow.

So good. That's pretty good. That's not pretty good. That's really good. That's really good. Should we make the merch? I love that. Shout out to my fellow gout sufferers.

There's a lot of pressure on what they give him next. Gout, sleep apnea are just so perfect. They're really good. I really want to know what the third one's going to be because there's a lot of pressure for it to be just as good. Maybe we'll get something. Of course. Maybe I'll get something.

I need to get it. I mean, like today, maybe someone will offer something up today. PT will obviously have something very common, like a four-leap clover or something like that, right? He's going to have all the teams in the NFL on there.

No, no, no. The Shield? He's Rob Lowe with the NFL hat. He's just such a super fat. He just has the NFL hat. He's got NFL on on the shorts with the foam finger nfl you do black like shorts with a cream trim yep point again a point great mind single light i was just about to say that exact thing pt yeah that's your point i love it rick is that is that you just kind of guessing what he said there because all i heard was i mean it's no it's not

because ptsd die on the unplug that microphone and flip in this one pt unplug the microphone open the window over there in your attic toss it out the window and put the old 50 one back in i mean this is crazy and can i get a refund also from amazon throw it out the window that's not how that works hey that table is going to be very easy to flip because it is literally like a fisher price the microphone there's lights all over the fucking place there's tools on it it's no it's a mess it's a mess by the way frank's getting emotional over here well frank just said like hey do you want to like look this over and i'm like no i i trust you

implicitly here's my credit card here buy it he buys him a a laundry list of things come to find out it's literally the same microphone it's worse it's worse than what we i hope your calendar is clear tonight because you are guaranteed a Frank phone call. Oh, yeah. No, no, no. First, it'll be like, hey, man, you got a sec? No, no, it'll be, you need to make a sec. You got a second?

Second worst. And then I'll say, no, then I'll get a voice note. Hey, I know we all like to joke around. And then he's going to say, I know we all like to joke around. And then he's going to say, I know we all like to joke around about liking to joke around. We're getting into the inception of this. But you know, like everyone's kind of...

Keep it going, keep it going. He's taking notes. He's taking notes for the call later. He's going to submit this to the HR. We don't have any HR. And Jimmy just left Everyone's looking at me in the control room They're like, are you guys really beefing?

Or what's going on, you know? As soon as Jerry leaves, this is when he starts doing this shit Why did I have to get sniped right there, Jordan? You were on a different thing and you sniped me like that Come on Okay, okay, okay Everyone take a deep breath, and you sniped me like that. Come on. Okay, okay, okay. Oh, man. Take a deep breath.

Take a deep breath. I don't even know what we were talking about. Matt Moe. What's up, Ariel? When you spoke to Bo last week, you told him you were surprised at how big of a betting favorite he was. By the way, vindication for me or no? I don't know.

He then asked what you think. Did you see that tear just roll down my cheek? Frank has one too, but it's different. Wait, I missed it. I was listening to the program. What did you say? No, it's all good. What you think the odds should be.

And you responded minus 750. Seriously scrubbing back to listen to the program. Bo then said, quote, so you think I would only win 75 out of 100 times? Because that's what that means. You then agreed with him that he should be an even bigger favorite. GC might be the man to ask here, but isn't Bo completely wrong with how he interpreted what minus 750 means? Minus 750 is 7.5 wins for every one loss.

It's not 75 out of 100. A 75% win rate would translate more to a minus 300 or minus 400. No? He is correct. 75% win rate is minus 300 A minus 750 is like 88% Why didn't you correct Bo when he said it to me? What am I going to do?

Well actually Bo Who the fuck is that? But I did that math during the interview I was just like I don't know if that's actually right He was right on the minus 1000 being 90% So much for that Penn State education Wow I mean I don't know if that's actually right. He was right on the minus 1,000 being 90%, though. So much for that Penn State education. Wow. I mean, I don't think you learn.

Yeah, they don't teach sports betting percentage calculations. They certainly don't at Syracuse. I'll tell you that much. Yeah. I don't know if he got vindicated, though. He did 30-27 him. Yeah, that's fair. Connor.

Connor Evans. And Ghanu versus Jake in boxing. What about this, guys? I mean, wasn't there a time not that long ago where Jake Paul was on Helwani Vision going nuts over a Francis and Ganu win? Now they're kind of sort of beefing? Is that a real thing?

They're not beefing. They're just doing... Everybody, including Francis, is doing the I want the meal ticket, Jake Paul call-out. Jake Paul is, to the boxing world, what Conor McGregor was to the MMA world. It's just, I want the Jake Paul fight. I want the Conor fight. It's just lost all meaning at this point it felt uh it it didn't feel to me like

francis was calling him out per se he was just being critical or defending his boy mike who of course cornered him against his fury and then it felt like jake took exception to that and now they're kind of going back and forth am i I crazy? Yeah, but ultimately, as we know, this will not lead to anything significant. It's just noise. Let's do Jake versus Francis in MMA. First PFL fight. Yeah, I'm in.

Yo. Let's do it. Yeah. Now we're cooking. It's actually not the craziest idea, by the way. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, I would pray for Jake. If Jake Powell's first MMA fight was against Francis,

F'ing Ngannou, that would be pretty crazy. Yo, he just fought as a heavyweight Okay It's Francis and Ghanu The lineal heavyweight champion of the world Is fighting Jake Paul in his first fight Okay but I'm just saying how many pay per view buys That would do a lot

To probably watch Jake Paul's Head go into the third row You're actually kind of blowing my mind right now If they're And Ghanu has one fight left In PFL They need a banger There's not an amount of money

I think you could pay Jake Paul to fight Francis Ngannou in MMA Yeah I don't think that's a banger either I think that's a One way street No but they need something to sell

Something with a splash Oh you could sell that You could sell that I didn't even think of that Because I kind of viewed them As being on the same team Also could you picture Francis Ngannou You know Like blasting a double On Jake Paul as well Oh, you could sell that. You could sell that. I didn't even think of that because I kind of viewed them as being on the same team. Also, could you picture Francis Ngannou, you know, like blasting a double on Jake Paul as well?

Jake Paul's career has been pretty deftly handled. I don't think step one toward the MMA thing is... No, I'm certain. I am certain that Francis Ngannou, they have been meticulous in picking these fights up. If they're going back and forth, I fucks with it I'll tell you that much By the way, it seems as you said Everyone is coming after Jake Artur Beterbiev, Daniel Dubois

Carl Frotch, Tony Bellew Apparently, Francis Ngannou Yesterday, Jake Paul was on His brother's show, Impulsive And people were saying That they were planting the seed. I told you guys in July when the Tyson fight fell through originally, there was some talk of Logan versus Jake, and I want to talk to Nikisa about this, but ultimately it didn't

pan out, and I've always felt like that's one of the top three biggest fights that he can have, and people yesterday were saying they were planting the seed. I have some thoughts on this, but first, in case you missed it, here's what happened. Who are you fighting next? Everybody. Me? Yeah, I'll fight you. You will fight me?

Why not? You're fucking tiny. Big, I'm taller than you. That doesn't even make any sense. You're just a tiny little guy. My tiny little Pomeranian buddy. He's so tiny, Thor. Bro, your roasting is fucking trash.

I feel like ruining my little brother's boxing career would be so bad and mean. People would be like, you're such a bad older brother, like they already say. But now you ruined his career as well. You're like a tiny little like speck of dust tiny little what i'm a i'm a fucking big speck of dust do you really think you could beat me yeah you're you're like you're like the seven days you're you're weak i'm so strong you're you're really strong at first this podcast you podcast, you're like, I'm brain dead. I was like, ha. Now I actually kind of like think you are.

So there's a part of me or a big part of me or all of me that feels like they're working there. They're building to something. There's a seed. I've always felt like there's something there. But that's not it. Like if they do, in fact, fight next year, wouldn't throw it out the window. That's not the one that you lead with last year they actually really were arguing and there was real tension and real animosity that's the seed that's the one that you need to look back on and say okay this is where it kind of turned the corner

in case you missed that one or forgot about that one this is the one that i'm talking about they said i would get kicked out if i brought a prime bottle. That's fucking ridiculous, dude Do you think I would ever ban you from promoting any of your shit at any of my events? That's ridiculous. Wait, that's because that's because of the who the partner the competing partner was for the event us four times with Stipulations listed out paragraphs. Yeah get over it like and meanwhile mom your brother building. Oh, yeah You you're my brother building a business who love to play both sides Play both sides

Partner with all of your enemies like I have bro My life is my life your life is your life if you want to see you love to play both the other play both sides I'm explaining my rationality for one and the other. And it caused issues in our last event when we had other betting partners and drink partners, and you walked out with the betting and the drinks. Is it illegal to wear what I'm wearing? It caused issues. Come on.

You can't tell me what to wear. What do you mean? You can't tell me what to wear. Logan, Logan. Yeah, but if they're paying us if they're paying us one second chill they're paying us millions of dollars and they say hey but we don't want this person to be doing this stuff at the event with a competing brand that's ridiculous i couldn't bring in a prime bottle that's legit that's that's two brothers

fighting uh those are the one you know those are the ones that they should you know draw back on if they do in fact fight look at how he talks to mike and says chill for one second chill fighting uh those are the ones you know those are the ones that they should you know draw back on if they do in fact fight look at how he talks to mike and says chill for one second chill that's the one i don't know what they're actually trying to do feels like seeds are being planted but that to me felt a lot more real than the one that came out yesterday uh max 83 hello ariel with some extreme difficult negotiations coming up with the ufc and john jones i was wondering who would represent john in this case? Is Richard Schaefer still his advisor?

And if so, what exactly is his role? No, he doesn't really do anything with him. Schaefer got a job with Anthem, which oversees TNA and Invicta. They own them. He's back with Abe Kawa. Doesn't really do much with Malki Kawa. Kind of does his own thing as well. But I'm assuming it would be an Abe Kawa. Doesn't really do much with Malky Kawa. Kind of does his own thing as well. But I'm assuming it would be an Abe Kawa situation

unless he wants to hire someone to do it for him. And there's other people who kind of help out as well, but that's kind of his de facto manager. Hutt, Ariel, Michael Chandler. Is he in the space, same as Connor, where his win-loss record doesn't matter as long as he stays in fun fights? Yeah, I'd say so.

I'd say he's reached that point. I like Mike, but I just don't see him beating any of the top five. And unfortunately, I would say he can't be in BMF Talks without the wins. I do want to see a Hangman-Hooker rematch. Thoughts? Love the show. Shout out to the crew. Glad Frank hasn't been fired yet.

Wow. I mean, same here, bud. Thanks. Wait till he sees this show. He's definitely in that spot. Like I said, I think that he salvaged the Conor fight with his fifth round and then the promo. If you just

turned on that broadcast and saw the promo, you'd have thought he won. It was unbelievable. It feels weird to compare him to Conor. I feel like it's more like the cowboy down hooker. Yeah, those guys. Mike Perry.

Yeah. Fun fight. Yeah, of course. Can be top of card, can be middle of card. You know, that type of thing. Conor is not the right guy. But winning streaks be damned. When I say Conor, I just mean like people don't care if he wins or loses, at least for now.

They just want to see him fight. Yeah. He's obviously the greatest example. But yes, the Cerrone. It's really the serony category taco enthusiast hi ariel when chatting about the trump extravaganza that occurred at ufc 309 with chail i think you both missed a key point trump's walk out of 309 included the new director of national intelligence head of hhs head of the department of government efficiency speaker of

the house and the president elects kids ch Chael's argument that this, quote, wasn't about politics is absurd. I agree. I get that Trump is Dana's friend, but this was political gloating and sports propaganda at its finest. If Ramzan Khadirov got the same treatment at an event in Abu Dhabi and walked out with his allies, would we say it's political propaganda if jacinda ardern walked out like that in new zealand with her cabinet would it be sports propaganda i'm not even saying i'm anti-trump but when we start analyzing how every fighter interacts with them after their fight it's getting absurd thoughts i mean that's essentially what i was getting at it's just it's a lot and we've never really seen this before in north american sports, where a politician, people want to call it, oh, he wasn't

back in 2001, or he's the anti-politician, this is that, he is a former and soon-to-be current president, getting this type of treatment, it's one thing to have him in the stands and saying hello to everyone and greeting them or whatever, this is completely different, he's getting a video package, a walkout, music, multiple mentions. I mean, they're breaking the fourth wall. He's hugging DC and Rogan and all the guys and all the fight. I mean, it's completely different. How anyone can acknowledge that, good or bad. I'm not even, it's different.

It's unlike anything. It's unique. We have never seen this before. And I'm not a aficionado when it comes to all the other countries and how they do things. I watch enough Premier League football and, you know, I'm aware of what goes on in French soccer and German soccer and EuroLeague basketball. I don't see this. Certainly Canada and hockey, you just don't see it to this extent. You'll see, oh, hey, there's Prime Minister Trudeau at the Grey Cup. Cool. He ain't walking onto the field and getting a hero's welcome and doing the coin toss.

It's just different. It's different. It's all political. It was political to bring him out for the past year and kind of use the UFC as a lane in the campaign trail. It was political after the indictment to say this is

his first appearance and we're going to be okay and we're going to keep fighting. It was political after the indictment to say This is his first appearance and we're going to be okay And we're going to keep fighting It was political after the assassination attempt To bring him out there and say we're going to keep fighting And we're okay, like this is all very calculated It's not just, they don't want to present it as Oh it's just sort of You know, happenstance, it's not

And I would just suggest when he first showed up At 244, it was very sort of casual He was there in attendance. A whole big to-do wasn't made. That to me feels, now that it's over, that if he does attend events, that could be the norm. Maybe not. But I do understand, I will say, why the UFC does this. It's a huge coup for them uh the the leader of the free world is a noted ufc fan and is choosing to

routinely appear at their events and use them while they're using him as well it's a mutually beneficial relationship um i get it it's it's it's a it's a nice little feather in their cap it's huge for them and they have they have benefited from this relationship Look no further than Darren Till At that same event Trying to get into the country And how many times has he been over since So I just think we could be

Can we not be grown ups and talk about these things Or is it all like if you bring it up You're a hater You're a snowflake We're just talking It's interesting This is a thing that happens in our sport That doesn't happen in any other sport ah, you're a hater. Ah, you're a snowflake. Like we're just talking. It's, it's interesting. This is, this is a thing that, that happens in our sport that doesn't happen in any other sport,

including boxing. Certainly not in the NBA. Certainly not in the NFL. It's just fascinating. And people are paying attention. And like I said, I think there's a very strong case to be made that Dana White, the UFC and Joe Rogan helped propel Trump to win the election. Again, no commentary. It's just the facts. They were instrumental. Instrumental. Andrew, happy Wednesday crew.

Hot topic at our water cooler this week. Could Jake Paul beat Deontay Wilder? What do you guys think? Could he? Possibly. Even in the state that Wilder's in right now, I would think that Wilder would win that. But I don't think it's an absurd question.

Is that the one? Is that the next one? I'm down for it. I wouldn't mind seeing that. That would be something. I don't know, man. I don't even want to see Wilder. He just has looked in very bad form

lately. It's the perfect time to put him against Jake Paul. We can't be more upset about Deontay Wilder fighting than Mike Tyson. I'm not upset about either. If you ask me, do I care about watching Mike Tyson fight Jake Paul if it's going to

happen in a parking lot and it's not going to be on Netflix, like, I wouldn't want to watch that either. I kind of do. I don't hate it. How old is Deontay Wilder now? Mid-30s? Late 30s? Yeah, like 38 or something.

39, yeah. Too old. Sorry. Come on, man. Plus, like, you want to get people to believe in something. Like, Deontay Wilder does have vicious, vicious power. I think he's done some damage to the reputation lately. Yeah, but you don't have to show the last two fights.

You don't have to show the Joseph Parker fight. You show the 42 knockouts before that. I wonder. That's a risk even worth taking for Jake honestly That's what I was going to say it is a risk HG Spike Yo Ariel and crew this next question is just for Rick For absolutely no reason

You know it's good when it's set up this way Here we go what do we got Rick would you rather be A talking dog that only Cats can understand Or a talking cat That only on duty only cats can understand or a talking cat that only on-duty uber drivers can understand it has to be one of these thank you in advance for taking this seriously i'm a talking cat that only on-duty first you're a talking dog that only cats understand yeah or a talking cat

that only on-duty uber drivers can understand what would be more useful? Okay. This is an easy one. I'm picking the Uber driver one. Yeah. Yeah. Because if I can talk to humans. Yeah. Then they can spread the message. Also that person can now monetize it. Right?

Now we as a duo. Me and whichever Uber driver I select. We will be rich. Because he will have a dog that can communicate with humans. And then therefore we'll monetize that. I'll have the nicest dog house. I'll have the nicest things. It's definitely that. Cats can't do anything for me.

Wait, would you be a cat that can speak to Uber drivers? Sorry, I'm a cat. I'd be the richest cat. I'd have the nicest scratch thing or whatever the hell. What do cats have, Frank? Tell me what cats have. They have scratching posts. They have condos.

What happens when the Uber driver goes off duty though? Then you just, you can't. I can talk to any. There'll be a new one. I'll pick a new one. You want to build the business with one. Yeah. So he would just always have to be.

He doesn't have to drive Uber anymore. He's going to be rich now. I know, but I think the question was on duty Uber drivers. Was it not? He's on duty. We talk. He's no longer on duty because we're about to be multi-millionaires one second imagine this though so someone gets into an uber car

driver's driving cat is in the passenger seat all of a sudden the driver turns and says hey my cat wants to say that they think you have an immaculate taste in your dress you're like what the hell did you just say to me it's like the cat just says that he's just saying we're spending way too much time on this. This is crazy. Adele, hello, Ariel and the crew. I've got two questions for you. NY Gout Rick has been labeled all types of things recently,

but I feel like he hasn't really cleared the air. So can he confirm if he's okay? Or what is going on with my man? Does he actually suffer from these things? I think we actually looked up what gout was on one of the shows, and I still don't Even remember or know I do not have gout

I don't have sleep apnea either He says he doesn't have gout But it is inflammatory arthritis That causes painful swollen red and tender joints And I do constantly see him Working out his joints And I'm like are you alright He's just like yeah it's just the gout

I don't know man It's a type of inflammatory arthritis And I'm like, are you all right? He's just like, yeah, it's just the gall. I don't know, man. Working through the kinks? It's sort of like a type of inflammatory arthritis, and it causes painful swollen red and tender joints for me. I just don't know what it is. I was like, I think that's gall. And it smells. We did look it up, and I forgot.

No, I'm all good. I've never been better. Debo, shalom, Ariel. As a broadcasting aficionado, I'd love to hear your opinion on the disagreement Between Mauro Ranallo and Roy Jones during the Tyson fight Biting his gloves What do you think is the best way to handle that as a play-by-play guy

If you know the color analyst is incorrect That was very interesting They kept going back to it In case you missed it, Mauro was saying That that was something that Tyson Just did throughout his career Maybe not to that extent, but did. And Tyson, to Mauro's credit,

confirmed that in the post-fight interview. I asked him about it because it was such a hot topic. And Roy kept saying that it was an issue with his mouthpiece. I think the best course of action in that moment would have been maybe someone in the truck telling them, hey guys, let's just leave this one. We both had our say, we'll address it in the post fight. Because you don't want to come across as arguing. And I don't think they were arguing, they were just kind of

having two different opinions. But they kept going back to it multiple times, which could be awkward for the audience and uncomfortable. So I think the best thing would have been like, let's just move on from this topic. Now, it was a big thing throughout the fight, a common theme. And I did feel bad for him that he kept doing it. I've watched a ton of Tyson fights and I don't recall him doing it that much. But as he said in the post fight,

which I was happy I was able to Ask him that question And the question About the knee brace He has a biting Fixation We move along Zach Hi team

Would love to hear Your thoughts On who Charles Should fight next I think everyone Believes that he should Fight the winner Of Armin versus Islam

And I think the UFC Agrees with that as well That's the one Yeah Joel Hey Ariel At first I thought It was nonsense When Chael said believes that he should fight the winner of Armin versus Islam. And I think the UFC agrees with that as well. That's the one. Yeah. Joel. Hey, Ariel. At first I thought it was nonsense when Chael said that they would strip Tom's interim title.

Then he came on the show yesterday and said they didn't. However, now there's no IC next to his name on the UFC rankings. Any thoughts, update? I don't know. Who the hell cares? They shouldn't strip him. And I would be shocked if they did. And historically they don't because like when, you know, Mir and Carwin fought and I think it was Carwin.

No, it was Carwin and Lesnar. They did the unification. They want the unification bout. They want the champion versus champion. That's a good promotional tool. So, yeah, I think that would be very very surprising extremely surprising if they if they actually did that um sunny uh yo ariel and homies can we please get a quick rundown of all frank's sound bites and a quick explanation of each i'm trying

to get friends into the show but they are new and need to learn to be in the loop. Appreciate you all. That feels very like a very long process. Plus, Frank has already told us that he deletes them now, right? Everyone stop chatting shit. That's what he said.

That's what he said. You just kind of have to jump in and go along for the ride. Travis. Hello, Ariel. Is it safe to say that the UFC's rejection of GC's media credential request to attend UFC Apex 100 is something that will permanently extend into eternity unless cooler heads prevail? They didn't reject.

Did you apply for a credential? It didn't get in. Is that true? I think it was just sent a little bit too late. You didn't tell me you applied Did you really? I said it on the show On the program Wow

So what'd they say? Seriously They never got back to me Oh you just never got a response? Never got a response Is that a rejection? I don't know man Silence speaks volumes

Wait why did you apply If you Were you actually planning on going? If I had gotten the credential I would have gone yeah Oh jeez Sorry to hear I thought we discussed all this

I thought I was going to, like, the hotel, the flight out there. I don't remember you actually saying, Rick, do you remember him saying he actually applied? Dinners, buffets. I think you guys are missing me. Right off rip when he said UFC Apex 100 coming up, he applied. I don't know what you guys are talking about. There's always another

chance at it. Mr. Clean, sub-crew, Aspinall versus Jones. Does better numbers than Pereira change my mind? Don't disagree. Certainly worldwide. I'll change your mind. It wouldn't. Quite that simple. It would not. Alex Pereira on a poster

sells more than Tom Aspinall and put it across from John Jones and it sells more. Period. End of story. I think Aspinall sells the fight more. I think Jones sold the fight more. I think Jones has made the fight massive just last week alone. In fact, even the week before last week,

the interview with Aioli when he said he didn't want to do it, it's taken on a completely different form. I don't dispute the fact that Pereira might be a bigger fight though. That's definitely a possibility. It's probably likely. We all want out Aspinall.

He's like, you know, that's the reason why he doesn't want it. He can't watch any tape on me. That's good shit. We all want Tom versus John. Alex Pereira is a bigger fight. These two things can coexist. It does not have to be. They are not at odds with each other.

Do you think the talk of a fight week between Pereira and Jones would just be about where to fight in Aspen although? Potentially, but it would also be... They've got to get Aspen out of the way. It would also be Alex Pereira in front of people and reminded of who he is.

Here's what backs up your point. He doesn't mention when the fights happen. So if John fights Asperal next, which he should, and beats him, then the Pera fight is bigger because now he's even better. You know what I mean?

If he fights Pera before Asperal, it's not bigger. Not now. How did Alex become, he was the guy, and now all of a sudden, Tom Asperal is the champion. He's my number one pound for pound guy,

but Tom Asperal is the interim champion. And he's the number one contender, and he has the best heavyweight resume in the freaking company right now. But we're not talking about rightfulness to the fight. No, but that makes it bigger, in my opinion. And he will sell the fight, and he's got a whole country behind him. We don't know how big. By the way, how big is Pereira in Brazil? Have you talked to Glamoury Cruz about this, Pete C?

How big is Pereira? What are we talking about to Glamoury Cruz about this, PC? How big is Pereira? What are we talking about? He hasn't... Let him speak. Go ahead. Yeah, he said he hasn't really touched the Anderson levels, Vitor levels, or even Aldo levels yet. But that's predominantly because he hasn't fought there, right?

Them guys were kind of brought in front of the audience, had magical moments in front of the Brazilian audience. He hasn't quite got there yet and you have to remember too globo the tv the tv deal they had with globo was massive and that was when aldo was fighting when anderson was fighting they don't have that deal anymore so it's a lot more difficult for brazilian fans to consume the ufc the way they did back then um let's move along because we don't have a ton of time before we get to gable steven yfg 94 sub gang with the signing of mikey musumechi do you guys see a day where bjj matches would be in a pay-per-view slash fight night card uh similar to how one does it no i did have

someone reach out to me who's very much in that world saying yo this isn't good like ufc trying to gobble up all the bjj stars to exclusive contracts is not good for the sport I guess that's one way of looking at it, especially if you're in the business. The other way could be like, hey, they're finally getting the opportunity. Mikey seems very happy with the arrangement, but let's see. Let's see. It was an interesting way to look at it. Ariel finally saying iron correctly, and that whole soundbite is my absolute favorite. When I first heard it, it was on audio, and I didn't actually see the video of it.

Mind showing it one time for the fans in the back that haven't seen the video? Iron. Which video are you talking about? The walkout video? I mean, I was on the freaking thing. A hundred million people heard me say it, all right? That's vindication right there. Am I wrong to think that if Ariel was to consume some good old wacky tobacco, he'd either nonstop

be saying iron or iron or just only speaking French. What did you like to know? All right. P.S. Sorry to bet. That's not a real window, but I fucks with it. Love the show.

TJ. Hey, Ariel, what's the beef with Joe Rogan? You kept saying you would never be invited onto a show. Facts. But Joe Rogan has said that he likes you And thinks you're a great interview He's, throughout his entire

Our time knowing each other Has always been kind And complimentary But he won't, and this is not me Trying to do some like Carl Frotch Tony Bellew reverse psychology But please, but for You know

Given his relationship with Dana He's not going to have me on. And I get that. I don't need to be on. It's the biggest part. I routinely say what he has built is so impressive and admirable. And it's the biggest podcast in the world. And he has now become what Howard Stern was 20 years ago when I was growing up and all that stuff. But I just know it. The one issue that I've had with him,

which I've talked a thousand times, is I did not appreciate the Monday after UFC 199 for the one millionth time that he told a version of the story that was 1000% fabricated and that was potentially damaging to my reputation. He said a bunch of stuff happened, which never happened, not even close to happening. It was just their version of the story that they wanted out there To make me seem like I did something wrong Which I had not And that was very hurtful I am past it, I've moved on

Life's too short to hold those grudges But that's the only time I have ever been really critical I'm just saying that I don't think he would have me on Because of the relationship And that is totally fine That's it, there's no beef How many times have i said he's an asset to the ufc they should not let him go they should keep him around as long as

he wants to be around every month twice a year six times a year it's gigantic having him a part of the ufc massive um to pt if he's there the rest of the crew went over their favorite bagels what was your favorite bagel uh with i mean bagels aren't really the rest of the crew went over their favorite bagels. What was your favorite bagel? I mean, bagels aren't really that much of a big deal over here. I just get, like, when I'm in New York, I just get, like, what's the thing that you get there? Like a

bacon, egg, and cheese, is it? Nailed it. That's one. Nailed it. For pizza. That's the only one I get. I went to some fancy bagel spot last time I was there. It was really nice. The bagels are a class over there. It's different. It's different gravy.

They aren't the same here. They are fantastic in New York. Do you carry bagels in Dublin at all? Like, is there no place? Oh, we do, but they're just not the same. It's like having pizza here, you know what I mean? Got it, got it. It's not the same.

Allie Mee, are you and the gang Doing a live show for Sydney We need some loving I've said London Dublin Sydney Are my top three choices But are we doing one in February probably not Probably a little bit too soon But I would love to do it

MBE28 MBE28 True or false Logan Paul vs Dylan Danis was better than Mike Tyson vs Jake Paul I'm talking build up promotion and actual fight Golly Not promotion Actual fight I guess That fight was pretty awful

It was pretty bad And I was there calling that one too And I could say it was pretty awful That one was hard to watch It was more I guess for lack of a better word, pathetic because, you know, Mike Tyson is 58 and we don't, like nobody expected it. Like I guess some of the betting public,

but I didn't expect them to perform. I expected Danis to show a little more. So maybe, but yeah, promotion wise, it wasn't even close. Tyson did way better. Yeah, I guess maybe the expectations were a little bit higher for the danis fight and it fell way short um but yeah i mean they were they were both not the best and obviously one was seen by way more people that has nothing to do with the question

but uh worth worth a mention do we have time for one more? Who knows? To the crew. Yes, following up on last week's plumber question, it's time to answer a debate as old as time. Who wins in a fight to death, a man with no legs versus a man with no arms? Personally, I lean no legs.

Yeah, probably. These questions are off the hook today. Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, because I guess once it gets to the ground, it's all questions are off the hook today. Yeah, what's going on? Yeah, because I guess once it gets to the ground, it's all the dude with the arms. Ryan, Ariel, are you able to give us any insight into what negotiations were like for you? Were holdups on money or the team or an amount of content?

Thanks for what you guys do. Well, we had Jerry back there earlier, my dear agent Jerry. He could have told us the whole story But there were no real holdups It was actually quite good Quite enjoyable Obviously these things take time And there's a process

And you gotta talk to people But overall Look at us now my friends You don't have to protect me I'm the one who held it up I had all the crazy requests But look at us now Yeah we're here

Thank you to everyone for the questions perhaps we'll sprinkle in one or two on the back end but now time to get into our interviews and we have three fantastic ones lined up so uh sit back and relax i have been wanting to talk to this gentleman uh for about six months now and i understand there was a process and a lot was going on in his life but I am thrilled that he is finally here without further ado let us say hello to one of the greatest wrestlers in the history of this great country the man going back to Minnesota for one more national championship run my good friend Gable Steveson hello Gable how are you my man thank you for coming on

Harry I appreciate you how are you I am doing. I am so happy to be talking to you. It has been a while that I've been hitting up your team, and I understand why the timing wasn't right, but the timing appears to be tremendous now. By the way, congratulations, and it was awesome seeing you a part of John Jones' camp and at 309. I actually, just for fun, wanted to just start there if I could. How did you link up with John? How did that all come about?

I've been on John for a few years now from Instagram. And then as time went on, we just became more, more and more good friends. And he reached out and was like, Hey, do you want to come to the camp last year before he is, his shoulder got hurt. And then this year he reached out again and was like, would you like to join? And of course I would love to. And so, yeah, there you are with the great Gordon Ryan. So were you there for the entire training camp?

So I was bouncing back and forth just because I was going back to school at Minnesota. So he told me just come as many times as you please. And so I went a few times, a couple weeks at a time. And then I took off with him to the fight. And was this the first time that you were a part of a UFC him to the fight and and was this the first time that you were a part of a ufc fight training camp yes it was the first time and crazy that's the first time with one of the best ever yeah well no not even but not even one of the best ever the best ever yeah and so the like the insight that you got into seeing how he prepares did it change

not to say that you had a negative opinion of him, but I'm sure your eyes were up like, holy crap, this guy is next level, right? Man, just beyond next level. What a great training camp. What a great team he has. What a great human being John is too. Just definitely one of a kind in all aspects. And I was grateful that he chose me

out of all the wrestlers out there to come help him. And we had a great time. Is this going to be a thing moving forward? Like, you know, if he fights next year, when he fights next year, do you think he'll be back in there? I would hope so. I mean, I would hope he picks me, consistently picks me. You know, he's got a great foundation going on already.

So no hard feelings if he doesn't. But that's my guy and I would love to. And in the back, like when he was warming up and all that, were you warming him up? Were you a part of it? Like, what was your role on fight night? My on fight night was just just uh we went to the ring beforehand he just has a tradition and then before the fight i'm sitting down a stand with with near his family and then he's in the back with all of his team and i'm just sitting watching waiting for greatness okay and and just curious um being there at msg like to to feel that

atmosphere to feel that buzz, you've been to some massive events, Olympics, obviously, national championships, WrestleMania, et cetera, et cetera. How did that compare? Oh, man, top of the line. MSG is definitely historical in so many ways. And you've got the heavyweight showdown in New York City, what can go wrong? And so everything all right that night, and just a one-of-a-kind experience. I've been to a lot great places i've been to a lot of events and that was definitely one of the top ones love it um all right now we go back to april i remember i remember seeing you on the streets of philadelphia i was walking there i was there for uh wrestlemania it was you and roman bravo young

and we caught up very briefly and obviously when you bump into someone uh you say hello how are you and it's a very quick chat But you don't really know what's going on in someone's life I remember us talking about how things are going In WWE, all good See you later, see you soon Literally a few weeks later We find out you're leaving WWE

That you've parted ways with the company And I will admit this was a shock Because of how much they invested in you The NIL deal, how they were building you up, the WrestleMania appearance, et cetera, et cetera. And so I'd love to give you the opportunity because I do believe this is the first time that you're really speaking about it all at length. For as long as you want, what happened? What happened between you and WWE? When I got to WWE, everything was great and everything went great the whole time um just it just wasn't the right time after I signed with WWE I tried to go back to wrestle and

you know you can't do consistently the one foot in one foot out of everything and as later time going on it just wasn't the right thing and I wanted to keep wrestling and keep going in that direction and WWE had a different direction and obviously it's no hard feelings it's it's never bad blood I did see um Paul Levesque Triple H or Hunter whatever people call him nowadays at the UFC event and we had a brief combo and everything was very civil and very nice and it was great to see him and Stephanie backstage and everything is everything is good there's no hard feelings on my end and they knew at the time that I wanted to keep being competitive and it was just a little bump in the road and it happens. When did you start to feel

like maybe this wasn't the best fit right now? I'm really not sure, but I mean, just time build up maybe, but at the end of the day, it just, it just wasn't the right time. And that's really all. And could I ask, was it your decision to leave? Was it their decision to part ways? Like how did it your decision to leave was it their decision to part ways like how did it all come to that conclusion um just i'm not sure okay is that something you don't feel comfortable talking about now we'll just leave it as we'll just leave it as everything's all good there's no there's no tensions there's no animosity against anything and if the opportunity definitely came around in the future and I would love to put

both feet back in and take off and go run with it. And I would love that. But business is always going to be business. You got to take risks in your life. And some of the risks don't work. And that one just didn't work. And there's no problems with me. I'm hands off. And time over time will always come back around, hopefully. Do you regret going down that path? No, I don't regret anything. I don't regret going down that path no i don't regret anything i don't regret going down that path i don't regret playing for the buffalo bills i think i've had so many great experiences that it was just an experience that you got to learn from and and understand the business in the right way next time you come back and of course i i can't wait to ask you about the buffalo bills obviously

i'm a lifelong bills fan so i'm very curious about that experience. But just a few more on WWE. Do you have any sort of, you know, disappointment? Like when you look back, I wish I would have maybe done this or done that or maybe leaned up, you know, close to this person or took this advice. Like when you look back on it, any disappointment? Of course, there's going to be disappointment. I feel like I could have done so much more in the business and I could have lasted a really long time. But like I said, business is always going to be business and business doesn't stop for anyone.

And it's not going to stop for me, especially even if I'm the Olympic champion. So there's no problem with it. I'm good to go. I'm going through a college wrestling game and restarting everything and getting back to where I was. When you look at those photos there that we just showed, what are the emotions? Like, do you look back with fondness? No, I look back and that's a great picture. I was in a WrestleMania. I had a WrestleMania moment. There's so many people that are pro wrestling that have

never had a WrestleMania moment and are praying that they do. And I've had that moment and pretty cool. And Chad Gable, thank you for that moment too. And I mean, like I said, there's no problems for me. I would love to, if it came about again, it'll be cool. If not, the world never stops spinning. So you're keeping the pro wrestling door open. You're not shutting it after this experience. No, I would love to keep it open. If it's always there, anything I do, just keep it open. If it doesn't work, maybe you can try again. Life's all about getting chances. And if you can get the best chance possible in the future, take i was curious about one thing uh when they signed you everyone was saying of course you're like you know once in a generation athlete you're an incredible

specimen but people were wondering how you would feel with the entertainment aspect of it all because you're a little bit more you know quiet and reserved and not over the top like some others when when you were going through nxt and Performance Center and going through all that stuff, how did you feel on the microphone and being a quote unquote character, so to speak? Definitely some getting used to, but as time went on, I did get used to the fact of who I am. And a lot of it is you got to be comfortable with yourself. And if you're not comfortable with yourself, then things won't work.

And maybe there could have been a lot of things I could have done better. Yes. But I mean, I feel like I'm really comfortable with myself and, um, just, there's really not much to say on that part. So, um, when you left, uh, you were, you were relatively quiet and, and sometimes when you're quiet and you don't, you know, do a bunch of interviews and try to put out your version of the story, people start running with different, you know, different versions of stories about what went wrong and all this stuff. Could I ask first why you were quiet? And second of all, when you start to read things online that may not be true, how does that feel internally? I just didn't go online. I mean, what's the point of going online after something bad happens?

So I stayed quiet just because the fact that there was no hard feelings when I did get let go. And there's still no hard feelings now. And I have nothing to say about the business because when I sat down with Vince and Nick Khan and Triple H, it was all love. And that's when I first met them back in 2021. And from there on, there was no problems. I mean, I took it as a hit on the chin, a humbling experience, and you got to keep moving forward.

If you stick in and are bitter about something, then there must have been a problem. And there was no problems with me. Sometimes in life when a separation is coming, you can kind of see it coming and you feel it coming. Were you that way, or was this a total shock? Maybe it was, it was probably definitely a build-up.

Did it come out of left field? Of course, but like I said, no problem. Okay, and so when you get that, you know, notice, if you will, what do you do? Like, do you sit at home? Do you lick your wounds? Like, what was that next week like, next two weeks like um that same day i'm back in practice i'm back in wrestling practice like nothing ever happened so i mean like i mentioned before time doesn't stop for anybody business doesn't stop for anybody and if you let it stop you then there's a problem so just keep moving forward there was no like oh woe is me was me? I feel bad. I'm sad. Let me sit here. And like none of that, there's, there's no element of that. Um, definitely some, maybe, um, maybe some resentment of what if, I mean, what happened, what went wrong, but like I mentioned before,

I mean, nothing's ever going to stop. And I feel like I have a lot of talent to do a lot of great things and I work hard. I'm dedicated and that wasn't going to be my closing door. All right. So then that happens. It sort of simmers for a moment. And then all of a sudden we start to get this NFL talk and it's like, oh, there's teams interested. And then it's you visiting teams.

And then it's eventually you signing this deal with the Buffalo Bills. The initial talk of like teams interested and you visiting, is that you and your team reaching out to NFL teams and saying, hey, we're open for discussion for any kind of talks? Or is them reach, are they reaching out to you guys saying, have you thought of this? Are you interested in this? So there was a few that actually reached out to me right after that.

But there was also a few that reached out. Buffalo reached out after the Olympics, which was kind of was also a few that reached out. Buffalo reached out after the Olympics, which was kind of crazy. And I told them no, because I was going back to school to wrestle in the WWE. But right after the latest WWE, I got out and Buffalo reached out and then a few other teams reached out. So it was definitely a cool thing. Okay. Can I ask how many teams did you actually meet with? I met with two teams. I met with the Buffalo Bills and the Miami Dolphins. And did both of them offer you a deal? Yes, both did.

And why did you choose the great Buffalo Bills? Why did you choose America's team? I chose Buffalo just because I really like Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean and what the team has going on. The team is 9-2 right now. They just beat the Chiefs. Yeah. Definitely. And I knew it was going to be a hard experience going in with all the guys they have, like Vaughn Miller, Greg Russo, Ed Oliver, Daquan Jones, Dwayne Carter. They have a stacked D-line room. And it's showing because they're 9-2 and they just beat the best team in NFL right now, the Kansas City Chiefs.

So I knew what I signed up for and McDermott and Brandon Bean, the GM said, Hey, we'll give you the best chance. If this is the place for you, then it's the place for you. If not, we'll give you some, we'll give you the playing time to at least find another home. Okay. And so just to be clear, elementary school, Pop Warner, high school, college, you had never played football before. I'd never played football. The first time I tried on cleats was at the Buffalo i'd never played football the first time i tried on cleats was at the buffalo bills trial and the first time i put on pads was at training camp that's absurd man did you okay so like i said superhuman athlete but is there any part of you when this process is happening like you know what did i just get myself into oh yeah most

definitely i i showed up and i just had no clue how to how to hit that because i was playing d tackles i was at the nose and just reading reading blocks that the old line was going to give was just such a hard thing and I feel as camp went on I definitely learned and adapted and I wish I did have more time with Buffalo that would have been so great and I feel like it would have put me in a lot better position to keep playing now but I mean I know what I signed up for and I had a great time and one thing that maybe the casual fan may not know is just how you know how thick how extensive those playbooks are right like to learn everything and the codes and all that stuff how overwhelming was that just beyond

overwhelming I mean I had to start from I came three weeks late to OTAs and so I had to start from scratch and so I had Matt Edwards the assistant D-line coach and Marcus helped the D-line coach helping me literally like know where to line up, how to know, do I line up in a one, do I line up in a three or two eye? The words they say are just everything in the hand signals that you got to adapt to. It was just, it was so overwhelming, but as the camp went on, I definitely adapted well and figured out the meaning of what I was doing and the art of playing D-line. In total, how long were you with the Bills for? I was with the Bills from May 31st all the way to the last preseason game. And so how long did it take for you to at least start to feel comfortable

with the lingo, with the jargon, on the field, wearing the cleats? I would say towards the end of camp. That's when I started really, really feeling comfortable who I was on the football field and not having that confidence to go out there and battle a center and a guard at the same time. And it came along, and I really did wish I had more time. It was such a good time. I understand this may be a tough question to answer,

but I'll just ask it anyway. Which news was more difficult to process? Which were you more bummed by, the WWE release or the Bills release? I'm not sure. Maybe no answer. I just wonder if it was the Bills one because I feel like you were just getting started and you were liking it and you didn't get enough time to get your feet wet. I just, I think they both got a certain sting to it and that's about it.

Fair enough. Was there anyone in the locker room in the Bill's organization that like really took you under their wing? Took you under their wing. Yeah, that's right. Like Vaughn Miller, was it really? Vaughn Miller, 100%. The first time I showed up, I had a locker next to Vaughn.

Vaughn takes up two lockers because he's up I had a locker next to Vaughn Vaughn takes up two lockers because he's got so much stuff and packages are getting sent to him but Vaughn Miller definitely took me under his his wing and was like hey you're an athlete I believe in you if if this is a spot for you this is a spot for you if it's not I'm gonna help you to get to where you need to go also and Vaughn definitely played that big brother role for me and and try to get me in the right direction that is great to hear sure um and you played in one game I played in three games three games where you actually got on the field um that first one how nerve-wracking was it very nerve-wracking just because it's a whole new thing that you're getting into and

it's it D-line is just like wrestling but everyone knows that d-line um in wrestling you got seven minutes to sprint and hold off and go again in football you got five seconds and it's a sprint you get the ball you don't get the ball and maybe it's your fault maybe it's not your fault so i think the hardest part for me was knowing that if a ball didn't come my way that i'm not at fault for missing it. You got to do your job. You got to know your role and you got to stay in your gap and, and know just where to go at all times. By the way, how much of a beast is coach McDermott?

Because you see him, he's pretty built, but I understand like he has a wrestling background as well, right? He does. Yeah. No, McDermott is beyond a beast.

He's, he's one of a kind and he's led so many teams to do great things. And for the opportunity he gave me, I thank him a lot. I's one of a kind. He's led so many teams to do great things. For the opportunity he gave me, I thank him a lot and owe him a lot for that. McDermott, he loves wrestling. He loves his wrestlers. He believes in them all. I definitely applaud him for bringing me in. Brandon Bean

too and everybody else. Did you actually ever get on the mat with him or do any type of wrestling training? No. He tried to get on the mat with me, but he just had excuse after excuse and i just and wow these times so wow if sean's listening to this i i don't mean to throw you under the bus like that but it's you just you just kept dodging and ducking i just i'm not sure why wow um by the way which team did you grow up like a fan of like who's your team was it the vikings i really didn't have a fan of? Who's your team? Was it the Vikings?

I really didn't have a team, but I grew to like the Vikings from being in Minnesota. Got it. So just curious, if it ends up being a Bill's Vikings Super Bowl, who are you rooting for? I'm at the Rupert. I'm still at home in Minnesota, so I'm not sure. I might have to root for Buffalo. Those are your boys. I might have a split jersey of Minnesota and Buffalo buffalo okay that's fair enough my game any any like what's josh like he seems like the ultimate

leader and an incredible teammate any interactions with him yeah josh was definitely a leader josh um he he definitely he definitely took a lot of players under his wing such as keon coleman keon just showed up and and josh wrapped him under was like you're gonna be the best receiver if you want to be and keon knowing if you know Keon Coleman, you know he wants to be the best receiver out there. And Josh just led the team in so many ways and his energy and his presence just brought a different vibe to everybody. And it made sure everybody wanted to win too. And as we see now, the team is nine and two and they're winning and hopefully they can get through that Super Bowl and then finally bring a ring back to Buffalo.

Oh, my gosh. I get chills just thinking about it. You will love that. You will love it. I will cry like a baby. I told my kids that I will run outside naked. I will go streaking. And I 1,000% am being honest if they can actually do it.

You ain't got to do all that, but I get it. And by the way, I'm sure Bills Mafia loved you as well. Like, I'm sure the fans treated you like a king. They were so cool, man. Bills Mafia was cool. Definitely the craziest environment for fans that i've ever been in besides um like a wrestlemania or an msg for a fight but bills mafia's got it going on and they take care of all the players they love everybody and we loved them back too so it was just it was so fun i love

it um i remember when the wwe news came out and one of the things that was brought up was if this would have come out maybe a few weeks prior uh it would have given you enough time to try out for the USA Wrestling Olympic team which of course the Olympics happened late July early August was that disappointing that the timing at least didn't allow you to go back to the Olympics to try to go back to back um definitely disappointing but like we talked about before it was it was no hard feelings when it was going to happen, and I just have no problem with it. Would I have loved to have gone to Paris and won my second gold medal? Yes, of course. That would have been a great thing, but no problems.

Did you watch the Olympics, or was it too difficult? No, I watched it, and the American heavyweight mix in Paris, he did really well. The guy beating the 2020 finals, he won the Olympics this year. So it would have been cool to get another crack at him, but it's all good. Just curious, like watching the atmosphere and how, you know, it was buzzing as opposed to Tokyo. Was there any part of you that had a little bit of FOMO? That part really gave me a lot of FOMO. I wish I could have showed up and had that real experience because in 2021, I maybe had 30 people in the stands watching and I feel like I had a really

good finish for the crowd just to go crazy. Yeah. But I mean, time goes on and I'm sad I missed it. It just happens. Okay. So part ways with, with the Buffalo bills.

Yes. Then what are you thinking? Like there's so many options on the table now. And ultimately, we know what your decision is. You've announced you're going back to Minnesota for one last year. And by the way, the video that they put out starring you, do you mind if we just play it real quick? Because I thought it gave me chills, man. It was freaking incredible. For those that missed it, this is how the announcement was made. My name is Gable Steveson. I'm an Olympic champion, two-time NCAA champion,

the first and only two-time Dan Haas Trophy winner for the heavyweight weight class. First, I would like to thank the University of Minnesota for their time, for the effort, for the persistence with me to push me to the man I am today. With all this being said, there's still one thing inside of me that still burns. The burning passion, the competitiveness, the itch to become great again and add to the legacy of Gable Steveson. Minnesota has given me everything And now it's my turn to give it right back to them

To put my feet back on the wrestling mat To be the champ One more time Yo that is phenomenal. It still gives me a little shiver. I made that video a year and a half, a year and three months ago. What? Really? Yeah, I made that video a year and three months ago.

Wait, why? It still gives me chills. Why so long ago? You were still in WWE back then. I was supposed to wrestle last year and I decided not to. The timing wasn't right. So we held that video this whole time. Wow. oh I did not know that that is incredible so when you watch it what what is it what does it do to you it just gets me fired up it gets me fired up knowing that I'm coming back to to what I'm used to I'm coming back to the to the University of Minnesota I'm

coming back to amateur wrestling and gonna make it a powerhouse and go out out there and dominate and put on a great show as I always do. So going back to the original question, when you leave Buffalo, do you consider any NFL deals or is it right away, I'm going back to Minnesota? No, I actually waited. After Buffalo, I waited maybe a month. I had the Indianapolis Colts bring me out for a tryout. I had the Indianapolis Colts bring me out for a tryout. I had the Ravens. The Ravens were going to keep me, but they had a D-end get hurt the Sunday before I went to the tryout. So

I went on a Monday and then I flew home Monday too. So they had to compensate for a D-end. And then just a few weeks ago, the New Orleans Saints reached out and they wanted to take me for practice squad after a tryout. So still a cool opportunity. And if it prevails, maybe a futures deal with the team that I can sign or stick with it. You never know. Okay. So you're still keeping that door open as well. Yeah. I think that'd be really cool. When I tell you, I love playing for the Buffalo Bills and I love playing football. It definitely brought a spark back into me that I didn't have for a long time. And I was grateful for the opportunity. When do you make the decision? All right, 100%. I'm back in. I'm going back to Minnesota. So when I was with Buffalo, we knew that I had a year of eligibility left. And so if

I did get cut from Buffalo, the chances of me wrestling were probably 99%, unless the 1% was the football and it took me from there. So right after I got done with Buffalo, I called my manager and I was like, Hey, I think we should wrestle. I think we should go back to Minnesota. And he was all on board with this. So we had the wrestling solidified maybe the day after Buffalo Bills, but I kept silent about it for maybe a month just because I wanted to see if a team would take me to give me another chance. And so what, what has the reaction been like? I know you did a press conference a couple of days ago and it's a gigantic deal,

but back on campus, do you feel like, cause I noticed and correct me if I'm wrong, some of the questions, I think some of like the old guard may not like the fact that you're able to do this. Cause this is a sign of the new NCAA times, which you guys should profit and you should get paid.

And it's absurd that for many, many years athletes couldn't get paid. Do you feel like everyone's on board with this? Or is there still some people saying like, oh, you know, you went to the NFL, you did WWE, this shouldn't be a thing. I feel like a lot of people are probably saying this shouldn't be a thing. But I think it's a great thing for me to go out there and reestablish who I was. And I think it's a great thing for the University of Minnesotanesota also just to bring me back and and we can have that aura of being a powerhouse wrestling team we have a fantastic team right now um six guys in the top 10 which is really unheard of for minnesota in the past few years is because we've been on a downhill slope and so i think right now with me coming back coming back is

definitely going to bring that that swag back to the team and then that grit and then just the fashion of who we really are and who Minnesota wrestling really is. Because is it going to be hard to compete with Penn State and Iowa and those guys right now? Yes, of course. But I think this is going to lead into something big. And that's what I've always wanted to be for the University of Minnesota is just be something big for them so they can lead into the next people next next phase of people that come in uh what are you guys ranked we're eight right now and and your first match correct me if i'm wrong is it on sunday yes it is on sunday but i believe i'm gonna wrestle friday at north dakota state also okay wow uh so you're right back in it and how do you feel like in it how's your great i

mean i never stepped out when i left in 2022 i never stepped off the mat i did wrestle a couple freestyle matches in 2023 so it's been about a year and a year and a couple months as i wrestled um but i feel great i feel ready bulking up for football and then cutting it back off for wrestling it definitely helped me a lot and just it's going to be really good i just can't i can't wait to wrestle you were somewhat of a rookie in pro wrestling a rookie in nfl now you go back to where you're the king right like this is your thing is it nice from a confidence and ego standpoint to know like yeah this is this is my world there's no feeling out process here most definitely i think um wrestling heavyweight

wrestling needs needs a person like me and i feel like this is the best time to do it especially in the ncaa they need a guy that's going to go out there and dominate and show and get a lot of points and and get the crowd riled up and i think that's what i bring and i just can't wait to showcase the new gable steves into a lot of people i think it's also just great for the sport in the sense that like you know i'm aware of of collegiate wrestling i've said i i i don sport in the sense that like, you know, I'm aware of collegiate wrestling. I've said I don't have the bandwidth to follow it. I know one current collegiate wrestler and it's you.

And so now I'm invested and I want to see if you can do it again and win another national championship and all that stuff. So I think it only brings more attention and viewers and eyeballs and all that stuff to it. I am wondering, though, if you're considering trying to trying to make it to LA in 2028, because you missed out on Paris, is that part of the plan? Yes. LA drives me a lot just because it's in the United States and what other, what other better way to win the Olympics than to be in the United States? I mean, I'm not sure when the last time the Olympics was in America, but this is definitely going to be a big thing, especially with it being in LA. So many well-rounded people that are in LA, so many, I just don't, I don't even want to say the word famous people,

just the caliber of what LA brings to the United States is crazy. And so I think being able to showcase who Gable Steveson is in LA is definitely going to be a big thing. Yeah, the last summer games in the us 96 atlanta uh so yeah it has been quite some time um i am hoping selfishly we get to see you in an mma cage and i heard john jones uh shower you with praise in his post-fight press conference he said it's not if you will be a ufc champion one day it's when you'll be a ufc champion and And so where does MMA fit into these plans?

Are you going to eventually try your hand at mixed martial arts? I mean, I dipped and dabbed in MMA for a while now. And after being in that camp with Jon Jones, that definitely put a major spark in me to go out there and do MMA. Not sure of the promotion yet, but Jon definitely lit a fire under me and was like hey i think you should go back to wrestling i think you should try mma we got a great team here with um in albuquerque if you want to join us and it was it was just fascinating how i got into something so quick and when i put on the gloves everything felt like home base and with the wrestling with the the the boxing work with the jiu-jitsu I feel like I could be very good really quick.

And, you know, one of the things that people used to say about Brock, whether true or not, is he doesn't like to get hit. John said you got a knee in the face and you just brushed it off. And so what does it feel like to get hit? I mean, taking a knee is crazy. I mean, everyone knows taking a knee is crazy, especially from John's own. So, I mean, we were just wrestling around and I went to take a shot and just the reaction time that he had especially at the age that he is is just fascinating I've never seen it from any other guy you know I wrestled Brock Lesnar a few years ago and John was just so much different and when I took that shot and took that knee I was like oh this is what it feels

like you hit and obviously it hurts we know that but just my first real hit is getting kneed in the face. And it goes on ESPN, which is kind of funny. By the way, who's stronger? Like who's more powerful, Brock or John? Can I ask? No comment. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

I had to ask. Between now and 2028, do you have an MMA fight? I do not have an MMA fight. I do have a path that can lead me to somewhere great. And so we are discussing it and I think it'll be a really good path for me to get out there and showcase who I am. I'm going to take some time and make sure everything is 100% ready and make sure that I am physically capable of being who I am, which I know I am, but you just know it's going to take time like every other thing. I'm just curious, did you happen to see a fellow national champion

Bo Nickel in action on Saturday? And if so, your reaction to people chanting overrated and booing him when, you know, here's a guy going to the fight, six pro fights, didn't use any wrestling in the fight and just beat a veteran 30 to 27. Let's talk about how Bo Nickel actually used no wrestling to beat a veteran like Paul Craig. And I actually, I like Paul Craig and I think he's a really good fighter. And I think he's been in the game for so long that the respect level is there for him. And Bo gave him so much great respect and they both did back and forth. But we can also talk about how the three-time national champ, two-time Dan Hyde trophy winner, an Olympic alternate used zero wrestling on a UFC veteran is crazy.

So with only six fights in, I mean, I just think if people don't read between the lines of that, then something must be wrong. And I think Bo did a great job. He did his thing. And as long as you come out with your hand raised, that's all that matters. Just curious, I think I saw you with Daniel Cormierier you took a photo with him maybe went out for dinner or something like that did you talk to him about these plans i haven't i actually have not i didn't go to that dinner oh i thought i saw a photo with you guys together with dave martin am i crazy

no i wasn't i wasn't in there because i was at a i was at a scheduled practice with uh john john okay so maybe so i did see rob Robbie Lawler there and those guys, so I'm imagining this. I do have a vision, a dream of you and DC for some reason. You're sort of similar build training together. And I know that might be weird with the John Jones relationship, so probably that dream is not going to come to fruition. But they seem to be cool now. I saw them do the interview, so maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not sure how either of them feels. I don't ask those questions. I stay where I need to stay, and that's all I need to do. That's fair. That's fair. Well, it's very exciting to see that you're coming back. It's very exciting that you're coming home one last time. There was once a time where you couldn't do such a thing, right?

There was once a time not that long ago where you would have been excluded from doing this. And I'm guessing there's a part of you maybe with a bit of a chip on your shoulder as you go for this final national championship, right? After everything that's happened over the past year or so, you kind of want to remind people who Gable is, no? Of course. I want to remind people who I am.

I want to remind people that I am, I'm not going to say the best heavyweight to wrestle right now because there's so many great heavyweights, but I am one of the best to go out there and do my thing. And there's definitely a big chip on our shoulder. And I want to show the world that, that, that I still got it. Last one, John Jones, Tom Aspinall, who wins? You know. I love it. I love it. Uh it Well congratulations Welcome back

It's great to see And thank you for answering All these questions I know some of it Not the most fun thing to do But I really do appreciate it It's great to have you On the program

And if you ask me Once a bill Always a bill You're one of us And we're happy to have you And I can't wait to celebrate The Super Bowl With you and everyone else

Come February Thanks Gable Good luck No thank you for having me I'll see you again Alright there he is have you and i can't wait to celebrate the super bowl with you and everyone else come february thanks gable good luck no thank you for having me i'll see you again all right there he is uh the great gable steveson uh joining us he returns to action this weekend for the university of minnesota uh did have that run with wwe which came to an end in may had the the tryout and the preseason with the Bills of Buffalo. And now here he is, one last run in the world of collegiate wrestling. By the way, NCAA Division I gold medalist in 2021-22. Back for a third. Big Ten gold medalist 2020-2021-2022.

And Olympic gold medalist. That would be youngest ever in freestyle wrestling. Super heavyweight, 21 years, two months, six days, two-time Dan Hodge winner. Only one in heavyweight history. I said gold medalist in division one. I meant, you know, national championship winner, 21, 22, and looking

to be a three-time national champion come this spring. Gabe Stevenson, 24 years old, just 24. This man has done so much and looking to go for gold in 2028 as well.

So good luck to him. We look forward to watching that. And I'll be watching. I do like the NCAA wrestling tournament. I do think that they should pick another weekend, not the first weekend of March Madness, which is when I think it usually is. I think so.

Yeah, it's either the first weekend or the second weekend, but it's definitely in March because they call it March Madness, M-A-T-N-E-S-S. But I've watched it before, and I think DC does a great job. Jordan Burroughs as well. I think they both do a great job. And I like watching it. I just don't know the players. I don't know the fighters. I don't know the stories. I don't know the wrestlers. just don't know the players I don't know the fighters I don't know the stories I don't know the wrestlers I don't know the personalities as well But I know him And I will be watching

At the top of the show I mentioned the Bellator breaking news That Usman Amarganadov is going to defend his title Against Paul Hughes On January 25th Did want to get PT's thoughts on it briefly This is a massive, massive deal to get, uh, PT's thoughts on it briefly. This is a massive,

massive deal. How about Irish MMA, PT? All of a sudden you join the program and it feels like everything's just popping off. Ian, Gary, Shavkat, Rachmanov,

number one contender fight, Paul Hughes fighting for the belt. Your reaction to this news? Yeah. Uh, massive. Sorry about that. Quick departure there, I'm back now Do you know what's funny about this?

I'm surprised that you said at the top of the show That it was only announced today Because I'm pretty sure I saw two weeks ago A video online of them facing off in Dubai So that was news to me that it was officially announced today I think that was more them trying to drum up interest I don't think that was an official thing They had never attached a date to it or anything like that am i wrong i knew the date you know what i mean fit closer connected than you i mean this is your beat excuse me

was it officially announced did they put out a press release two weeks ago pt no but you know do you need to these days i mean did you hang around when you were making your name in this industry were you hanging around waiting for press releases before you announced stuff, Ariel? I didn't say the news was broken today. I said the news was officially announced today. Fair, fair, fair. Semantic, semantic. It is, yeah.

Yeah, it's a huge, huge fight. Massive, massive spot for Hughes. And look, you mentioned at the top the fact that they're rebranding and they're doing this road to Dubai, which is, again, very confusing right now. I hope that that will become more clear for down the line. But the fact that they're putting him in this spot, they've put him in the Nganou card previously and now into this one, it's absolutely huge. And like you said at the top, it's dead right to advertise

this is Ireland v Dagestan as well. I mean, the meeting of Conor and Habib is, you know, the most watched UFC pay-per-view of all time. You know, obviously a lot of vitriol there. What I think is funny this time is it seems to have flipped when I was talking to Dennis Geico from Red Corner about this fight. He was kind of saying, well, Usman's very different to Habib. He's the kind of outlandish one in the group.

He's the one that will talk a lot more smack. He's a lot more extroverted. Whereas I see Paul as not as extroverted as Conor. He's like the quiet one in this duo, perhaps. Perhaps we haven't seen that sort of Usman because obviously he speaks Russian predominantly. But a huge, huge fight. As I said yesterday, Ian's in this massive spot as well. It's a great time for Oshama. Is this happening sooner? There's the poster. Is this happening sooner than you expected? He signed with them in the spring.

The one fight in June under the Bellator banner. Then the fight that you mentioned in October, PFL pay-per-view. And now a title fight against Usman. Maybe the best fighter in the whole damn thing, right? PFL or Bellator are you are you surprised it's happening so soon not after AJ McKee I mean I don't think there's a lot more ways to go with him outside of AJ McKee and if you'll remember and what he told you when he was in studio with you Ariel is this is exactly what he planned and this is what he

wanted um the fight that he kept on avoiding a question when he was on with you because he said i have a plan i'm gonna unveil it after my debut the plan was to call out usman um obviously everything got caught up in the moment there conor mcgregor was there they had a great kind of a passing of the torch moment that night but i think you've got to do it like where else do you put him after the aj mckee? I feel like it's nearly the same conversation we're going to have again. Before the AJ McKee fight, we had so many people saying, oh, who is this guy? This guy is just another can. He's another Irish Conor McGregor wannabe.

He is not that guy. He is a very different guy. He has his own story. He already had countless departures from the sport due to injury and different situations like that. I think he needs to make haywell the sunshines and i think he's very very excited about getting what he wants which was always usman amagomedov i do wonder he wins this fight let's just say he wins this fight does he still go into the pfl tournament this is where it gets tricky right yes yeah because i

always thought that was a weird way to look at it from Paul's point of view. Like, I'm going to go in and take out the biggest names and then put myself into the tournament. I know Brendan Loughnane's back in the final next weekend, but he's the guy who talks about it the most. The toll that those tournaments take on your body. It might be the most pure sport avenue you can go in MMA because of the way it is, right? Like because you're just taking on these guys, it's a knockout style tournament. I think that's, I think, I think he will certainly view it in a different light. If he beats Usman, if he gets that belt, all of a sudden he might be going, I'm really going to have to fight four times.

You know, I'm going to have to do all this, like no recovery time for my body between every fight. And I think a lot of people, before they go into the PFL tournament, they think about that and they go, you know, that's great. I won't have to worry about getting a fight or pursuing fights because I'm going to know

when I'm going to fight all the time. It's a very different story when you're actually doing it. You know, Lachnane is a guy known for his durability. He's been around donkeys years. And look, he's climbed the ladder again. But for him to be saying second time around, like, this is hellish. Like, I don't know if I can handle this.

It's not only physically exhausting, it's mentally exhausting. You have no time off. You're just doing a straight sprint for a year. I think he will certainly look at that differently should he have the belt wrapped around his waist in January. I'm assuming Usman is the favorite going into this fight. I mean, I'm just assuming given his dominance and that he's the champion and whatnot, puzzles.

But if you could tell us, like, do you fancy his chances? Can he, can he get it done? Can he make it happen? Can he be the one to beat Usman or Magomedov? I think he can. Like, I think he showed us how good his wrestling defense is against AJ McKee.

AJ McKee is a generational submission fighter. The things he's done, like the Darian Caldwell submission. Look, I will say, I think AJ's skill set is more on the ground. I think the problem with Usman is how brilliant he is at getting people on the ground. That's going to be a bigger test for Paul. I understand why Usman's the favorite, same as I said with Shavkat yesterday, but a lot of cash to be made there

on the double up for the Irishman. Oh, yes. By the way, is this the biggest moment in Irish MMA history? I think it is. But you know what? Wait, you didn't answer the question. No, of course it isn't. I think it is. I'm already messing. But you know what? Wait, you didn't answer the question.

No, of course it isn't. Anything like the five fights Conor McGregor had. I mean, Conor McGregor walking down the street. Okay, is this the biggest outside of a Conor fight? No, I think Ian Vychev. You just told us that the AJ McKee fight was the biggest one. How could this not be bigger than that? I did. You see, you're doing that again.

You're putting words in my mouth. Andy Stephenson. And I even saw you crawling into his replies there that again. You're putting words in my mouth. Andy Stevenson. And I even saw you crawling into his replies there last week. And today, and today, by the way, I did it again today.

Cause he was saying, you know, that's his thing. This is the biggest non McGregor situation. I simply had him on my show to air out that theory. And I do think, as I said before, it is a reasonable debate to have,

uh, what is the biggest non McGregor moment? AJ McKee v. Paul or Ian v. MVP, but Shavka v. Ian. So the proximity to the title, you know, you'd have to put the UFC title and title situations in the UFC above Bellator slash PFL slash Road to Dubai title points. But look, it's a huge moment. And I think it's a good thing as well to for for people to be seeing

a different avenue in the uk in ireland and i know it was a huge deal when brendan went down and we've seen the fruits of that with like the likes of lewis mcgrillan dakota all these people now into that promotion they have such a strong uk presence the problem with bellator and pfl in ireland was it was all just spg guys and a lot of the time people were like, these aren't like, you know, obviously there was the exceptions with the likes of Sinead fighting Cyborg, Peter Quealy fighting Pitbull. Like there was a lot of competitive fights, but for the most part, people were like these, these SPG guys aren't being put in real fights.

Paul, he might've got a bit of a soft launch with his debut in Dublin, but from there he goes from AJ McKee to Usman Amagamadov. That is massive. And it's, it's sending a message to the rest of the people in the UK with his debut in dublin but from there he goes from aj mckee to usman amaga madoff that is massive and it's it's sending a message to the rest of the people in the uk and orland that this is a viable option outside of the ufc just to prove that i am so extremely generous with my compliments can i just say to frank especially that the difference in the way in which pt sounds now as opposed to an hour ago is just You just now saw it. No, no, no. What changed?

Something definitely changed. You changed the microphone back. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. No, because it actually kind of looked... Go ahead. So you did actually throw it out the window.

Why does it sound so much better? I honestly think the device I sent him needs to be reconfigured, but we can't do that right now. Okay. And would you believe, Ariel, I don't know how to reconfigure a microphone. No. I right now okay and would you believe ariel i don't know how to reconfigure microphone now i was like i had him go to butter knife early it's been a thing no because i i i went into like this like trance i was like why does it sound so silky

smooth there it is silky smooth between that picture there and you throwing the football i mean we've got some let's see it let's see i can't throw the football i can't move around that much anymore i actually have a light over my head here i have all types of things the desk moves the whole show collapses here that's what's happening come on give us a break the fact that we now can't do the football bit is just now it's not worth it it's the whole thing if i go back there no don't do it no don't do it don't do it don't do it if reggie just runs up here excitedly i'm about to play with him it's the whole thing is falling apart we honestly need to send him a new desk yeah oh so i have to pay for that too yeah i mean like oh dear here i said i was gonna buy a desk and

you haven't done it it's been two days that ariel lad's made of money just came to buy one jesus what's wrong with you yeah um oh no 100 frank definitely said oh there it is it just fell it just fell it just fell no yesterday we went for dinner, for a celebratory dinner, and Frank's like, hey, you want me to, he was like, you want me to, you want me to. I don't even have a butt idea on that one. The other guys were just like, you know, like, Frank's like, you want me to.

It's called the Texas T-Rex. You're like, oh, let me grab my wallet real quick. You want me to contribute to that? Like, no, Frank, it's called the texas t-rex you're like oh let me grab my wallet contribute like no frank it's okay but i do appreciate the uh the consideration it is very kind by the way uh biggest which one will garner more interest and excitement back home which fight ian or pauls i think i think in a ufc event. It's very hard to compete with that. Come in, come in. Oh, sorry. Yeah, of course.

But that's a huge spot to be in. Shafkat's a massive fight. I will say, I think the Irish MMA community, which isn't Ireland, which is like the focused MMA community, they seem to have a closer tie-in with Paul. So that's what I said to you the last time when Paul fought AJ at every gym in the country was ringing me talking about it and blah,

blah, blah. I think, I think it's inevitable. The same with Joe Duffy when he, when he went to train in Canada, like when, when you aren't here,

when they aren't seeing you at events, they aren't, you weren't as easily accessible as, as people back home. There is a drift there from the scene, like the MMA community. So I think Paul will be huge and Ian will be huge.

I'd say Ian takes that because just the situation he's in with Shavkat. But Paul, honestly, massive. Like it was massive when he fought AJ. Everybody in the country was buzzing for it. And look, I wish Ian would get that kind of love. He deserves it. Look at the situation he's in.

Like from a purely sport point of view, he's doing astronomical things in the UFC. This is a massive, massive moment. And I think he has a very good chance. PT, thank you. We'll talk to you soon. We'll move along now to our next guest who we'll be talking about another massive name from the Emerald Isle. He is the co-founder of Most Valuable Promotions. You may have heard they had a pretty big night on Friday.

Quite historic stuff emanating from AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. He is Nikisa Badarian, and he's kind enough to join us right now. There he is. Hello, Nikisa. Are you in a children's classroom? Where are you right now? I'm not. I'm in my office. I'm in my office.

I'm in my home. Wow. This is amazing. It's good to see you, my friend. I just saw the thing, but now I'm seeing some of the words back there. Stream, Tyson, Paul, I like you very much. It's great to have you. Let me go through some of the facts and figures here, the actual facts, if I may, and congratulate

you and the team on, as I said, a historic night. Correct me if I'm wrong with any of these. $18.1 million gate, a little over 72,300 fans in attendance at AT&T Stadium. It is the biggest gate for any boxing or MMA event outside the city of Las Vegas. It is the ninth highest combat sports gate ever in U.S. history and set a record as the highest grossing gate at AT&T Stadium for a combat sports event. Prior to that, we had Canelo Alvarez fighting at AT&T Stadium, his gate, 9 million. As for the actual viewing numbers, 65 million live concurrent streams on Netflix, most streamed global sporting event ever. Katie Taylor and

Amanda Serrano, the most watched professional women's sports event in US history. 38 million concurrent streams for the main event alone. And one big number, of course, 108 million live viewers globally from the opening to closing bell and continued throughout the weekend with an estimated AMA, which stands for average minute audience of 125 million, 74 million. Watch Taylor Serrano. I could go on and on, but those seem to be the big numbers. Am I missing a significant one? You missed two big ones. One of them is, and that number is right behind me, 56% of the households at midnight to 1 a.m. Eastern, so 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. Pacific who had TVs on, were watching Paul versus Tyson. So one out of every two homes that had TVs on was watching this event, which is pretty amazing. It reminds me of the days of Globo in Brazil on broadcast TV when Anderson Silva would fight and there will be that kind of market share.

Secondly, we broke the record for commercial pay-per-view distribution. So that's bars and restaurants paying to show this event because they can't use just a residential Netflix account. Previous record was held by Floyd Mayweather and Conor McGregor. Now that record is owned by Paul Tyson, Taylor Serrano too. Obviously you believed in the fight. Obviously you had high expectations, lofty expectations, but truthfully, have these numbers exceeded your expectations? Are you blown away by these types? This is, you know, in a day and age where you have so many streaming platforms and everything is so splintered in the internet and second screen experiences, to see the world come together

and watch one singular event broadcast, very rare in 2024, as you know, are you surprised by any of these numbers? So going into it, we had two, I had two main goals, which I spoke about several times internally and then in a couple of interviews that I did. Goal number one was to break the U.S. streaming record for any form of content. The record was made earlier this year on Peacock for an NFL playoff game. That was 23 million concurrent streams. The second goal was to have the most viewed women's sporting event in U.S. history. The record held was Women's World Cup, I think 1999 on Fox broadcast television. And so I was confident we would exceed those numbers. And we did. i think the scale at which we exceeded them

is is beyond what i expected and obviously i'm very happy with the outcome as is everyone at mvp as are the fighters as is netflix um when when you and and netflix first spoke about this was it more um a question of you pitching the idea of Jake versus Mike on Netflix? Or was it Netflix saying, hey, we like the idea of Jake, but we need a dance partner that is big enough for Netflix. And so what about Mike Tyson? Like, you know, what came first? It was definitely us giving them a list of different names and Mike Tyson being one of those names. deal with behind as i've been on record with mvp and jake paul being the first ever live professional sporting event on netflix with an opponent to be agreed agreed upon and we had several names within

that list obviously there were the uh the streaming the buffering issues is that a gift and a curse how do you process that how do you digest that because on the one hand it's it's a byproduct of all these people trying to watch at the same time. But on the other hand, you want everyone to watch the event and that becomes a story on Saturday morning. So when you are hearing about it in real time and when you are processing it after the fact, how are you digesting that information?

I think first and foremost, we broke the internet. We did something that has never been done before. The record for streaming in the US was 23 million concurrence, right? We blew past that. So Netflix has shown that it has an ability to do things that no other media platform has done before. Secondly, Netflix is always advancing the boundaries of content consumption. They've been doing that for many years. And this was another example of that. They did a better job, Ariel, than any media partner that I've ever seen in promoting this event, both in their own channels and in terms of third-party marketing spend. It was a tremendous execution of bringing attention, eyeballs, and awareness to one specific live event.

And they deserve all the credit in the world. And the biggest credit that anyone can get who's a public company is how their stock price acts after such a monumental moment for their company. And as you will see, as has been discussed by many financial analysts, their stock is up meaningfully since last Friday night. So investors loved what they saw. So many takes in the aftermath. I would love to ask you your opinion. I mean, we can't address all of them, but people have been critical.

Black eye for boxing, this was not great. Shame on you, how dare you. That negative stuff that you've seen afterwards, what is your overall take on all of this stuff that you've heard from people is your overall take on all this stuff that you've heard from people in the general sports world in the just general world and of course in the boxing world look if you don't see how this was the greatest moment in boxing history for the past 20 30 years then you're not a brand builder and you're not someone who's

focused on the growth of the sport long-term. And you're stuck in this little small niche corner of sports called boxing that exists. More people got to witness this sport than they have since the days of Muhammad Ali. There was a card that offered something for every single type of consumer. And one of our biggest objectives, as you know, going in was to give women the platform that they deserved. And did Amanda Serrano and Katie deliver or did they deliver? I mean, there's little girls I see videos of now putting on boxing gloves and saying, I'm going to be Katie Taylor. I'm going to be Amanda Serrano.

I think we did a huge service to the sport of boxing. Netflix did a massive service to the sport of boxing by giving it the exposure, giving it the engagement, giving it the conversation. So six different generations were talking about this, but Generation Alpha was engaged in our sport. And even if 1% of those kids hang out and become boxing fans and some of them actually pick up boxing gloves, that's a massive win. And if you're going to say, well, the fight wasn't the greatest fight. You know what? There's lots of fights that aren't the greatest fights. There's lots of games that are blowouts. There's lots of baseball games that are lopsided.

There's tennis matches where somebody wins three sets to none, six love, six love, six love. It wasn't about that one specific fight. It's about what the event was for the sport. Even with that fight, I'm extremely, extremely ecstatic with the performance that Mike and Jake put on. And I say that from different angles. Mike was 58 years old going back into the ring. And as you know, many of your peers,

many boxing professionals, many MMA professionals actually said Mike's going to kill Jake Paul, right? Many of them, Francis Nganou, Lennox Lewis, Daniel Cormier. I can go down a list of like, you know, name after name of someone that said he's going to catch him, he's going to kill him. Lennox Lutens actually was on record saying he's scared for Jake Paul. Jake Paul is going to get hurt. This is not fair. Flip side, there was many people that said Jake Paul is too young and he's going to annihilate Mike Tyson. Imagine being 27 years old in your fourth year as a professional with no amateur experience and you're walking into a stadium with 72 000 people and you're cool you're calm you're composed

and you perform perform under those bright lights against the baddest man on the planet who just slapped you the day before in front of the whole world to see. And you became a meme overnight because of that slap. I am beyond proud of what Jake did that night in the ring. I mean, he showed that he has truly arrived in the sport of boxing from my perspective. And he countered anything that Mike Tyson could do in terms of being able to actually reach and connect with Jake.

What did you think of the fight? I thought it was, as I expected it to be, that early on Mike was very dangerous, and as it went on, his stamina would lessen, even though there were two-minute rounds, and Jake would have an opportunity to win on points. In the post-fight press conference, Jake essentially said that he kind of, you know,

took his foot off the gas, right? Because he felt like, you know, the job was done and he didn't want to hurt Mike even more. Did you get that sense as you were watching it live? No, I actually think Jon Jones gave the best explanation. I don't know if you saw that or not at his press conference post. Tell us. UFC had a fight the night after that I'm sure you covered well.

But he actually said the right thing. Jake stopped taking risks because he didn't want to be the recipient of a massive punch from Mike Tyson that could end his night. He played a defensive game for the back ladder half of that fight. to be the recipient of a massive punch from Mike Tyson that could end his night, right? He played a defensive game for the back ladder half of that fight. Very smart on Jake's part. There was no reason to take a risk and end up flatlined. And that can happen any moment in this sport, as you know. When you heard in the buildup to this fight, people saying, oh my God, you're sending good

old Mike Tyson out to slaughter at 58. How dare you? You should be ashamed of yourself. When you heard that, I'm just wondering how you processed it and then are processing now people saying, well, why didn't you kill Mike Tyson? Why didn't you knock out Mike Tyson? Because it does sort of feel, if I'm'm being honest that the same people who are saying that today were the same ones saying shame on you for stepping in there with him because you're going to kill the man

look i think i said this to you on your show when i you know when i was on there i forget when it was um july age was the equalizer here for me. Right. There was a significant experience gap between these two men. Mike said it himself. He has more amateur fights than Jake has pro fights. And I always felt like it was not going to be someone on the Jake side just obliterating Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson is a big, strong man. If you've stood next to him and shook his hand, one hand of his is two hands of Jake's, right? Like his neck is extremely thick. Like he's just,

he's built like a warrior. And he's been built that way since he was 13. Look at the picture of Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson at age 13. So I always viewed this as a fairly even fight in many ways, given where Jake's experience level is. I mean, I know, you know, Jake wants to be a champion and I believe he will be, and I believe he'll be a champion sooner than people expect. But Mike Tyson is one of the greatest boxers of all time. And he's going in there and is in his 12th fight against him, four years experience, Tony, Tony blue or whatever, whatever his last name name is i'm not sure how to pronounce his last name bell you tell you look at who he fought in his 12th fight he fought a guy that was 9 and 21 in front of nobody nobody cared nobody watched and that guy he fought ended his career at 10 and

28 is that a tougher fight or is fighting mike tyson who yes is 58 but you're you're jake paul a tougher fight, under the big lights, on the biggest streaming moment in history of sports. Like, it's not even on the same playing field. So I don't... The only thing that bothers me is the continued kind of narrative and people saying the fight was rigged.

I saw something from Michael Irwin. Irwin? Irwin? Irwin, the football was rigged. I saw something from Michael Irwin. Irwin? Irwin, the football player. He was on the broadcast. He actually sat there with Jerry Jones. I saw something this week where he's like, I saw the contract and Mike couldn't throw an uppercut. I'm concerned that there's a

CTE problem there for Michael Irwin because how would you see the contract to begin with that? You know, Mike Tyson could throw an uppercut. I mean, it's just it's beyond lunacy and the realm of like just reality of life. This was a regulated professional bout by the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation, the Texas Athletic Commission. And we were partners with Netflix, the biggest media company in the world, who's a public company. And for anyone to suggest that this was in any way a rigged fight, they're either dumb or they're looking for attention. And I get it, like putting up posts that, oh, proof it was rigged. This was rigged. That gets you good engagement. And a lot of people

comment and a lot of people like, and a lot of people share and we're in an attention economy. People say outlandish things to, to, to bring awareness to themselves, but it's, it's a sad state of society that that's, that's where people want to spend their time. On Saturday, Mike Tyson posted something saying, you know, I've been through all these health issues. I'm just happy I went eight rounds in front of my kids. I'm so happy. Was any part of you considering AVH but what happened in May to his health, you know, on that plane? Were you concerned for him?

And did you know all that stuff that he was talking about? That sentiment that was shared with him by him on that post was never shared with us, right? We have the doctor's reports. We have the conversations with the doctors. That was never that was something that we thought about that he was, you know, close to losing his life or whatever it was that he said in the post. I appreciate, you know, there was a lot of emotion leading up to that event. And I appreciate the next day him reflecting on what he went through, but I can unequivocally say every single report we had from his team, every

conversation we had with his doctors were nothing other than he is 100% going to be able to compete starting at the end of August, early September. In the post-fight interview, he told me, yeah, I think I will fight again. And then he made the joke about Logan. And I don't know if the whole thing is a joke, but can I just ask you, do you have any interest in seeing Mike Tyson fight again? It's not really my place to say that. I do believe that Mike Tyson has decided that he's had a great career and he's going to focus on his entrepreneurial activities. But I can't speak for him or Kiki or Mike's team in terms of what they want to do next.

Okay. And we will get to Katie and Amanda, but I just want to continue with the Jake theme here. And so now one of the big questions is, all right, who's next? And there's a litany of options. And so I'll just ask the very straightforward question. Do you know who his next opponent is yet?

We do not. But what I do know is Jake is the face of boxing, no matter what anyone wants to tell you. Okay. And he may not be the face of boxing from being the most advanced boxer at this point in time, but the heavyweight champ of the world is calling him out. Artur Beterbiev, who's one of the pound-for-pound greats,

is calling him out. Gervonta Davis is calling him out. Ryan Garcia is calling him out, right? Like Francis Ngannou, who Jake has supported time and time again, is putting up tweets talking about, I want to slap Jake Paul. Again, people want attention and engagement. I get it. That one actually, you know, didn't really sit well with Jake,

given how vocal Jake has been in supporting Francis. But there's no shortage of options of what Jake can do at the big level and also at just like continuing to legitimize himself. People forget like he fought a 17 and two Ryan Borland. That's a legit like fight for someone at Jake's level. The difference was Jake ended that dude in the first round and that guy wasn't ready for the moment. Just like I said, Jake was ready for the moment with Mike Tyson. But many people are not ready for those moment. Just like I said, Jake was ready for the moment with Mike Tyson, but many people are not ready for those moments. So we're going to continue to focus on building his career to

gain the right experiences, to obtain his ultimate goal, which is being a world champion. And we're also going to continue to do massive one-off events that capture the imagination of what's possible. Is there a front runner at the moment? I wouldn't say there's a front runner. There's multiple discussions happening. Is there a short list? Yes, there is a short list. Yes, Ariel. Who is on the short list? Not you or me.

Okay, perfect. Can you tell us any names? No. Okay. I cannot tell you any names, but what I can tell you is Jake Paul's focus is on boxing. Jake Paul focuses on building most valuable promotions, focusing on women's boxing, focusing on young prospects, and focusing on his own career. And this past Friday, our company's three years and three months old, Jake Paul helped put on one of the biggest sporting events in history. An event that, to be honest, UFC hasn't had that size of

an event and it's been in inception for 30 plus years. So we feel really good about where he's at professionally as a fighter and where the company is at in its maturation process. I'll keep poking just a little bit if i can he did talk a lot about canelo and i've said that i wouldn't be surprised as recently as yesterday uh that on on our new show ariel and ade on the zone i said uh i think it's a real thing is it possible that jake paul fights canelo alvarez what did ade say uh what did he say about that he thought it was a a bit of a crazy statement on my part and and didn't think that jake would want to go down that path um yeah so that's the i saw that that's the

only clip i saw ah come on thanks a lot i heard it i saw that on social media i think you guys clipped that out yeah i was just shocked to say that jake paul wouldn't want that jake paul who like in his fourth fight fought a UFC champion in Tyron Woodley, who choked out Darren Till, right? Tyron Woodley. Jake Paul, who fought Anderson Silva, who beat Chavez Jr. Jake Paul, who just got in there with the king of violence on four weeks' notice when everyone said this is a dangerous fight.

You really think jake paul's afraid to get in there with canelo alvarez like that's just that's that's shocking to me that ade said that because obviously he doesn't know jake paul the slightest could i ask you though 2025 is it a possibility canelo versus jake paul absolutely is it possible that canelo's his next fight not sure okay but it's a thing this is not like pie in the sky this is this is as real as Absolutely. Is it possible that Canelo's his next fight? Not sure. Okay, but it's a thing. This is not like pie in the sky.

This is as real as ever. I think, look, we just put on the biggest event since the advent of cable for the combat sports, right? And so no matter what fighter you are, you have to look at that and say, that's a pretty special moment. That's a pretty special platform. Jake Paul doesn't need Canelo from a financial perspective, nor from like a belt perspective, because they're not going to fight for the belts that Canelo holds, right? If they were to fight. Canelo certainly doesn't need Jake Paul to make money either. So for me, if that fight was to happen, it has to be more than that. It has to be a desire to once again, have the world stop and pay attention to this beautiful sport of boxing, have the world look at it and say, wow, boxing is really back and really bring other fighters into the fold there to help bring exposure to the sport. We just did with our event last Friday night. So I think the hurdle isn't going to be money. There's so much money in that fight. The hurdle is both sides understanding why they're really doing it if they end up doing it. Do you have a choice? You don't have to reveal

the choice, but in your mind, do you have someone who you'd like for Jake to fight next? No, I mean, there's several names that we're looking at. I think it comes back to, as I said, is it helping him on his path to become world champion? Is it helping us kind of disrupt boxing further? Is it just another massive moment for sports? Those are all the different variables that go into our considerations. When do you expect him to fight again? Anywhere from March to May would be the next fight and is there a chance that it is back

on netflix is that a possibility i mean if listen i i think i said to everyone going in um if i'm netflix i wouldn't do anything other than do this fight and then reassess. And if I'm Netflix now, I've reassessed and said, wow, that was extremely successful, beyond successful. So I would hope there's definitely a chance, yes, of doing another fight or two or three or many more on Netflix. Okay, and just two more if I may. Do you have any idea if Canelo is interested right now in fighting him?

I can't speak to that. Okay. There was a clip yesterday. Jake was on Impulsive with his brother Logan and people were talking about the friction there I can't speak to that. friction than the one yesterday when they were going back and forth about, you know, him being at the event and not giving me props and whatnot. All to ask, is there a chance Logan could be on the docket for him in 2025? I think maybe that's something that Logan would like to happen, right? You know, Jake, Jake for the first time is probably ahead of his brother in terms of reach, in terms of awareness, in terms of popularity, in terms of engagement. And I think from a Logan perspective, who's ultra competitive, there is that tension.

There is that my baby brother's taking over and I need to teach him a lesson. Oh, my. I wouldn't be surprised if that came into fruition at all. How do you feel about that, brother versus brother? I have a very different relationship with my brother growing up than they do. Obviously, myself and my brother have never been as successful as they were at age 16, 18, 22. So I can't speak to that dynamic. I mean, these are two of the greatest marketers, entrepreneurs, businessmen the world has ever seen underneath the age of 30, right?

Like you can't deny what these guys have done. Jake is 27, Logan is 28. Then multiple businesses that they've built at this age. I, you know, I can't speak to my relationship with my brother versus who these guys are. They, they've exceeded all boundaries of what brotherhood is and what success is. Do you know if Jake's interested? I think, listen,

Jake, Jake will have to get to a place where he feels like he has to do it, uh, to, to set things right. I'm not sure. I haven't had a discussion with him. While I saw a clip out of your episode, I haven't seen the clip out of Paul's. Thank you.

I appreciate that. I'm still holding on to the dream of Jake. Let me tell you what I don't appreciate, though, actually. I don't appreciate you not doing the MVP face-to-face sit-down interview with Katie, Amanda, Jake, and Mike. And I know why you didn't do it. And I respect that. But I still think, like, massive missed opportunity for you and for us. But, you know, I do appreciate that you refuse to be paid by anyone other than the network. And in this scenario, MVP face-to-face

wasn't something that Netflix was involved in. It was a straight MVP production, MVP expense, and that's why Netflix wasn't involved with you on it. But we did miss you on it, and I hope in future the face-to-face is owned by the media partner so you can actually go back to your role of moderating those things because I think you do a great job. Thank you. I do love doing those, but I just, I always made a promise after 2016, I would never get paid by a promoter. That's no disrespect to you. I appreciate the offer and you know how much I adore Katie and Amanda. And that to me is an honor. Getting to do the first one was an honor. But Cameron was like, why isn't Ariel doing this? I said, because Ariel refused to get paid by us. He's like, he doesn't like money. I said, but, uh, I was like, why isn't Ariel doing this? I said, cause Ariel refused to get paid by us.

He's like, he doesn't like money. I said, no, he never gets paid by us. He gets paid by his own or Netflix or Showtime. And they're not paying for this. The shame is I get accused of getting paid by you guys, but I don't actually get paid by you guys. So I'm like losing out on both ends. It's a, it's a real shitty situation.

Shout out to Cameron though. I thought he did a great job, um, you know, for his first time doing something like that. Uh, one last one, if I may, on this particular subject, I'm still holding out the, the, the, the hope and dream of Jake KSI. And I know he has said a lot of things as well. And I know maybe they're going in completely different directions, but is there any chance of that in 2025? I don't, I don't see it right now. I just think, you know, Jake just weighed in at 227 pounds and he wants to be a cruiserweight champion.

And that's, that's where the focus is. And I think the, you know, they have a, they have a great like vocal fan base online and, you know, we wish them nothing but success and continued,

you know, continued prosperity in terms of what they're doing and hitting that specific demographic of entertainment. We're building a boxing platform that's very focused on women's boxing, focused on young athletes, and letting Jake kind of run the front end of that spear. And that's really what our focus is on katie and amanda katie taylor and amanda serrano are reaching gaudy ward like territory in that every single round they compete in a lot more people watched katie and amanda and then watch gaudy board yeah of course yes absolutely i just mean 20 rounds each one better than the previous one incredible stuff incredible drama. Obviously,

your fight, Amanda Serrano, falls short once again. Super close fight. A lot of people were upset about it. I'm sure you've watched it back. How do you feel about the scoring? Who do you think won? So when I watched it in person, and we're watching from a specific angle, right? Every person who's watching it in the the in the stadium i thought it was a very close fight but i thought amanda should have should have won given the headbutts uh when i watched it at home and got to appreciate the punch stats as well and see the round by round judging i thought given the point deduction amanda should have won like more clearly than when I was there. Right.

I actually remember coming into the ring and you asked me, what did you, what did I think? And I said, I think they're going to give it to Katie unless, you know, the, the,

they actually make an adjustment for the points that's appropriate. But when I watched it back, I definitely feel like Amanda won, but she did win Ariel. It doesn't matter. Like who cares? Okay, she took a loss on her record. In the world of mixed martial arts, the beauty of UFC is as long as you put on a valiant performance and people are excited, they're rearing back to come and watch you again.

And in this instance, of course, the public perception was Amanda won. Of course, every celebrity in the world that was watching that was meaningful tweeted out public perception was Amanda won. Of course, every celebrity in the world that was watching that was meaningful, tweeted out or posted that Amanda won. Of course, if you look at all the online journalism around it outside of Ireland, Amanda won. Even if you look at ESPN's rankings today that they came out with, they actually say Amanda won. It's an error, I'm sure, but it has Katie winning and it has Amanda winning. And that's an error of someone actually thinking and typing something different than they should be. But my point to you is, I'm not at all upset by the outcome of it in terms of the decision.

It's okay. And it now just sets up Amanda Serrano for something even bigger after this. I don't know if there's anything bigger than a trilogy. And I asked Eddie about it yesterday. And maybe it's if there's another Netflix card, but I'm just wondering, do you think that's possible? It felt to me like they couldn't have been further apart before this fight was made. Like, let's say there was no Tyson Netflix fight. It felt like she was fighting at 126, three-minute rounds, and Katie was doing her thing at 140. But then all of a sudden this happens, and it's big enough for them. Do you foresee a trilogy down the line in the not-too-distant future?

Plus, let's be honest, Katie probably doesn't have many fights left. Neither does Amanda. That was her 51st pro fight. Amanda's 36, just turned 36. I don't know when Katie turns 39. So different kind of age in terms of where they are in terms of their retirement, I guess, thought process. What did Eddie Hearn say? Eddie said that he doesn't, because, you know, I mentioned maybe the friction between MVP and Mattrum.

He said, look, same thing to his credit that he said going in. This is a massive opportunity. We're not going to stand in the way. And, you know, we hope that it does happen. But he didn't close the door. He didn't say we're up 2-0 and that's it. He left the door open, which I thought was promising. So I'm curious your take.

Yeah, my take is if Amanda Serrano and Katie Taylor want to fight again, MVP, Jake Paul and myself and our partners will do everything possible to make that happen and guarantee them the biggest payday in women's combat sports history. That's, you know, the gold standard of women's combat sports is Ronda Rousey. She sold 56,000 tickets by herself in Australia against Holly Holm, who was fairly unheralded before she knocked out Ronda, right? And I think finally, Amanda has reached that point, as has Katie to a certain extent, but Amanda's US-based, which is a much bigger market. And so if they want to do it, Jake and I will do everything in

our power to make it happen. Lots of feathers in your collective caps. If you could get the Croke Park one done, I think that would be a massive one. I know you're not Katie's promoter, but is there any part of you that would like to check that one off the list as well? If Amanda is open to it, we will do everything we can jake has already promised that he would reach out to president trump to help with that like one of the things we heard many times is the security costs are just too high we don't care about the costs we want to do disruptive mega events and that would certainly be that but i could i could imagine amanda saying why do you want me to go into the lion's den in front of whatever capacity is there 70 80 000

people how does that set me up for success and so if that's her perspective i fully understand it and we you know we as i said work with katie and amanda to get to the right outcome i mean we had a great experience with Katie and her team. They were tremendous to work with every step of the way. Katie is the lady of ladies, just like Amanda is. And Katie's team was responsive, was honest, was like just perfect in every step of this process. So we hope we get to work with them again.

And just for the record, Brian Peters, her manager, went out of his way to tell me the same thing about how you guys treated them and that he was really impressed with the whole week. That does lead to the friction maybe between you and Eddie. I have to be honest, when I was interviewing Katie, I wasn't all there focused on her because out of the corner of my eye, I did see a sort of brouhaha coming together in the ring. And then I saw you and. I wasn't all there focused on her because out of the corner of my eye, I did see a sort of brouhaha coming together in the ring. And then I saw you and then I saw him and I didn't know exactly what was going on,

some words being exchanged. And so can I ask your side of the story there? There's some videos that have emerged of you guys kind of getting into it a little bit, not physically, but just emotionally. And I've seen the Eddie video of him celebrating and just words being exchanged. Your take on what transpired and any regret in the aftermath?

I think my only regret is giving Katie Taylor the option to have Eddie Hearn in the ring. We don't have promoters in the ring. We don't walk with our fighters. We don't sit and take their moment in the ring ahead of the fight. Just a different philosophy, right? Very, very different philosophy.

But when it got to fight day, I said to my team, because Matt Shroom had reached out at least a hundred times around Eddie Hearn having access to the ring, that if Katie wants Eddie in the ring, just let me know. And I didn't get a message from Katie, but I got a message from Brian saying Katie would like it. And within, I think 30 seconds, I said, absolutely no problem.

Having seen how he behaved in the ring, I kind of wish I didn't do that, but end of the day, we're about the fighters. And if that made Katie happy, great. I think what's really telling is if you go to the match room, social media handles post fight, they didn't post Katie Taylor. They posted, um, the one 26 fighter that they have from sky Nicholson that's who they posted how is that possible like why are you positioning her against amanda versus celebrating katie's massive moment that's a very different philosophy than we how we think about it and so does any of this do you think get in the way of it do you understand what i'm saying there like how does her promotion not recognize her massive victory on the biggest women's event in history ever?

How? But instead you're positioning this fighter who's never sold a ticket in her life, hasn't headlined an event in her life, hasn't fought in her home country once. As fight Amanda Serrano next like what what am i missing there no i mean i i'll be honest i didn't check their youtube channel or their socials afterwards um but team certainly did okay uh is and and by the way what happened in the ring was that you know that video that emerged of you know uh i think a member of your team saying eddie can't go up at the press conference was it because, what happened in the ring, was that video that emerged of, I think, a member of your team saying Eddie can't go up at the press conference, was it because of what happened in the ring? Not at all. Look at our press conferences. Outside of me sitting there with Jake, because Jake is a co-owner and he's there as an owner and as a fighter, we don't have promoters there.

It's all about the fighter. I don't want to hear Eddie Hearn tell me about the fight. I want to hear eddie hearn tell me about the fight i want to hear katie taylor that's like sure there is a a very small passionate boxing fan base that knows who eddie hearn is right but the majority of the world have no idea who eddie hearn or nikisa is like zero zilch and why do i want to take their time to hear from Eddie Hearn? I want them to hear from Katie Taylor and Shadesha Green and Bruce Carrington and Lucas Body and Mario Barrios

and Jake Paul and Amanda Serrano. That's who I want them to hear from. Okay. I wasn't sure if you were going to say more there. That's fine. No, I mean, my point is my team was basically saying like, hey, we don't have promoters on the table. It's about Katie.

And then ultimately, you know, he ended up on the press conference table. And that's okay, too. No problem. But philosophically, very different approach. At this point, how many... Just because you talk a lot about your fighters doesn't mean that your fighters do well and sell. I've seen Boots Ennis talk about, oh, I don't need to talk now because Eddie Hearn does the talking for me. That's the wrong way to look at it because no one is paying Eddie Hearn to watch you for you to fight because Eddie Hearn says X, Y, or Z. No one. You have to build yourself. You have to sell yourself. You have to make fans connect with you as an athlete and want to spend their time, attention, and pocket dollars on you. That's how you need to be. We as the brand behind you need

to do a great job of positioning you, marketing you, putting you in the right place, telling engaging stories, constantly pushing you on social media, which is the most important form of communication in the world today. But the fighter has to do their part and MVP is all about the fighter. Last thing on this fight, I just want to get your take on it because a lot of people were mad that Jordan Maldonado said that she was leading with the head, that she was fighting dirty. I know Amanda has since sort of apologized for saying that in her post

afterwards that she had the utmost respect and whatnot. Do you feel after watching it on TV that this was a calculated effort on, on Katie's part to lead with the head to head, but to cut her open? Absolutely a calculated effort to use her head to her advantage. Absolutely not a calculated effort to cut amanda serrano those are two different things right at the end of that first round katie was stunned by an amanda punch everyone saw it it's on you know 100 and 125 million have watched the overall event 74 million

have watched that fight everyone saw that i think think she adjusted her strategy and did so effectively. But of course, there was a lot of headbutts as a result of that strategy. And one of those headbutts led to one of the gnarliest cuts you've seen in women's boxing, right? And I think if they would have called the fight in round five or six, I think Amanda would have won. But Amanda's a warrior, and she wasn't stopping. And Katie continued to target the cut, which I don't think is being dirty. I think of that as being tactically smart, right? Like I can't fault her for that.

Like it's on tape. She was going for it over and over again, same spot with her head, with her hands, with her glove. So yes, I think there was a, a focused effort on her to use her head to her hands with her glove so yes i think there was a a focused effort on her to use her head to her advantage uh and yes i think she never intended to cut amanda katie taylor is not looking to you know physically uh arm amanda in that manner never never that i think that uh three last quick ones how many fighters on the on the MVP stable and are you looking to expand in 2025? Yeah, we're officially working with 12 fighters, of which three are women, right? Which I'm very proud of. That ratio is going to increase further. And in 2025, you're going to see us expand that meaningfully.

Okay. Two more. Jake Paul, Conor McGregor. Any interest, any chance? I know Conor tweeted that he spoke to and he posted a picture of, I think, some famous politician being Jake's next opponent. He was just stirring the pot or responding to Jake, but I know you have a relationship with Connor. There it is. What's that guy's name again? I know that guy. What is he? He's the guy.

He's the speaker. Mitch McConnell. There he is. Is that supposed to be me? No, no. He said, this is your next opponent. This is your next opponent. That's the joke.

Mitch McConnell. Connor, Jake, does this ever happen? Obviously, it can't happen while he's under contract with the UFC, right? Well, he's under contract, so there's never been any discussions around it. Two, I love Conor McGregor, always have. I was there when he was signed to the UFC. I structured his first major deal. We flew to Ireland to see him, to get him to resign.

I think he's one of the greatest sportsmen that the world has ever seen. I respect him and his team highly if he's ever not on their contract and i've said this to to some some folks that have asked i think jake paul connor mcgregor is the only fight that can come as close to mike tyson in terms of global relevancy global relevancy i believe jake paul canelo alvarez is a bigger money fight for example but i think in terms of every part of the globe paying attention as much as that they did with jake paul mike tyson that's jake paul connor mcgregor because connor is a global star jake paul is a global star and that that's a that's a recipe for a stop the world moment. And look, maybe one

day we'll see it if he's ever out of contract with the UFC. Maybe one day the UFC will say it makes sense to do this. And we'd be happy to explore that as well. They're a public company. They have a responsibility to their shareholders to do what's right for the business. And so, you know, it's not out the realm of possibility, but out the realm of possibility, but Connor doesn't need it. Jake doesn't need it. And it goes back to what I said about, um, Canelo. It's about what's your motivation to do something like that. I look at Mike Tyson. He didn't need this fight. He didn't need the money. Mike Tyson's never been wealthier. He made a lot of money when he was young, but he was spending it and he was being, he was being taxed in different ways, legally illegally he's been making unbelievable money for the past seven or eight years this wasn't a money

play for mike tyson this was about creating legacy creating history ariel how crazy is it that the greatest fighter of all time didn't have his biggest fight in terms of live attendance in terms of gate in terms of viewership until he was 58. And that's because he had the right dance partner because he was dancing a lot better and faster and more powerful when he was in his 20s and his 30s, right? And people thought he was the greatest fighter in the world. You bring back Michael Jordan right now, he's not going to break those records that he had before.

But Mike Tyson did because he had the right opponent, the right matchup. And I think Jake Paul, Conor McGregor has that same capability. Last quick one, any interest in Andrew Tate? before but mike tyson did because he had the right opponent the right matchup and i think jake paul conor mcgregor has that same capability last quick one any interest in andrew tate jake paul love andrew tate uh he's good good man in many ways in terms of his his desire to give back to the world and i i don't know where you know where his head's at in life in terms of what he wants to do okay that way you didn't answer the question do you have any interest in it i i don't i don't know i mean you know andrew has messaged me over the past few days and

um we haven't had that discussion to be honest with you and i'm not sure if that fight makes sense for jake given where his career is at right now in terms of boxing and i'm not sure if that fight makes sense for jade given where his career is at right now in terms of boxing and i'm not sure that fight transcends across different general like that that definitely for the young male demo that's a massive fight right massive fight but i'm not sure how it moves outside of that. So I just have to spend time with Andrew and Jake and see if it's something that they want to pursue. Nikisa, thank you very much. Congratulations to you and the team.

Great event. Looking forward to what you guys are doing in 2025. Thank you, Ariel. I appreciate the time. Good to see you. There he is. Nikisa Baderian, co-founder of Most Valuable Promotions. Massive event for them on Friday.

Let's see what they have cooking for 2025. Yesterday, Manchester, there was a press conference. Darren Till, Tommy Fury, John Fury. It popped off. In case you missed it, here's what happened. In case you missed it, it was crazy. It was the craziest of crazy situations. It was on the zone.

It was in Manchester. It's going down. January 18th, This is what happened. You want an empty head? You want an absolute head? Darren Till Joining us now After that 24 hours later Darren

I was worried for you My friend What the fuck He was worried for me What are you doing I've never I've never seen the Fury Shit himself like that

The Fury's The Fury's got bullied Gang of shithouses. Little John Fury. You know this man's crazy. He's going to come after you. You can't call him Little John Fury, Dadan. You can't call someone crazy who's just walked out of a press conference area.

Nobody held him back. I had 10 security holding me back. What did he do? Nothing. I'm going to terrorize him and his whole family for the next fucking nine weeks how many no one's gonna do anything about it how many members of the family were there do you reckon there was him and his security i was on my own with my coach and do you feel like they were trying to gang up on you well they left the first conference i never i wanted to face off nobody was

holding john fiore back he could have done something there and then so at the end of the day mate he got terrorized why are you out for a run while we're supposed to be speaking i i was moving house today i'm sorry my time's got mixed up so i just had to still crack on with it no it's okay wait you you moved today yeah well basically yeah and and and do you feel like uh i mean this is classic we've done interviews while you've been on the toilet we've done interviews in sushi restaurants in your car this feels like just another one for the uh for the scrapbook yeah yeah of course how much do you weigh right now i'm a big fat cunt can i ask specifically about 115 kilo 115 kilo 115 kilo uh let me just do the math here and are you out of breath are

you i mean i feel bad i'm fuck i'm just gonna stop for a pint in a minute when i get off this that's 253 pounds, by the way. Is that the biggest you've ever been? Yeah, why not? We saw the footage of you shadowboxing and everyone was taking the mickey. They were taking the piss. Did that hurt your feelings? No, mate, no.

Do you actually know how good of a striker I am? I think everyone knows. Come on. Were you just messing with us with that footage? Obviously, mate. Obviously. You want him to think that you're just an amateur? I don't give a fuck what he thinks.

I'm coming for war with him and his whole family. Me against them. The bullies got bullied. Got harassed after the press conference. Why do you say they got bullied? Well, did they not, Ariel? Did they not? Did they not?

Do you think you got in their heads, under their skin? Well, I'm asking you, what do you think happened? Who won that exchange? Just be neutral. Sure. I thought you had a good performance.

I thought you were quick with the zingers. You were going at both of them. And do you think Tommy needs his dad up there in order to go toe-to-toe with someone who can talk like you? I don't know, mate. Obviously, Tommy, I ain't got no one here. I've come to the conclusion this world. It's me, one or two friends, my coach, my missus, and my kids.

And that's it, mate. I'm a loner. I don't need people. I don't need to be walking around in entourages like Khabib and Nate Diaz. No disrespect, but why have you got 20 guys

with you at all times? What are you afraid of? See with me, Ariel. If the theories do me, yesterday, all of them, I'm not asked if I get my head smashed in.

That's the difference. You're walking around in 20, man. What for? You're going to the shop to get a gay thing and you around in 20 man what for what you's a going to shop to get a gate through and you's a taking 20 man with you

what are you afraid of I'm a fucking arse mate you just call upon your good friend Hamza Chamayev that's all you really need would you call him to be there for

the fight on January 18th Hamza and Joe Egan are coming to fight oh there you go are they cornering you Joe Egan Joe Egan's fighting there you go Are they cornering you? Joe Egan's fighting John And Kamzak can corner me if he wants We'll see what's what then

Yeah And so did you have any interaction with Tommy Before the press conference or after the press conference? No, no, no I'm not here for friends, Ariel I've made friends Towards the end of my UFC career I had a shitty end And I've been waiting for two years for this shit now I've made friends like that towards the end of my UFC career I had a shitty end

and I've been waiting for two years for this shit now I've got pure aggression and pure violence to take out on someone so I'm not here for fucking friends I'm not even here for the money at this point I couldn't give a fuck I just want to fucking fight I did hear you say that several times I don't know how much I'm getting paid I don't how is this possible

I don't know I have not got one clue how much I'm getting paid I could look in the? I don't know. I have not got one clue how much I'm getting paid. I could look in the contract now and see, but I signed it without looking. Why? It's sweet, because I don't fucking care. When are you all going to get it in your heads that I'm not like all these pussy old fighters out here

who are lying? I'm one of the lads from the streets. Yeah? I'm walking around about my day. I don't fucking need no security. I don't need no one holding me hand. It's me. I'm the streets. Yeah. I walk around about my day. I don't fucking need no security. I don't need no one holding me down. It's me. I'm not arsed. All these fighters are crying about

how many hotel rooms they get and how many flights they get. I'm not arsed. They're trying to get me to go down in cars, luxury cars. I'm like, mate, I'll just get on the train. I don't give a fuck, Ariel.

And I certainly don't give a fuck about the Fjordies. Not one of them. You're a man of the people. What is a man of the people? I'm just a man who goes about my life. I don't avoid places. I don't avoid people. If people want to be nice to me, I'll be nice to them.

If people want to troll me, I'll troll them. That's why I live my life. I don't live my life, like, hating on anyone, race, gender, all this new thing. Like, if you want to go and be fucking pink, red, blue, and fucking call yourself whatever and fucking stitch two dicks to your head, as long as you're nice to me, I'll be nice to you. I don't have any of that. I'm not asked.

So if you want to call me the man of the people, then yeah, I'm a man of the people. But Darren, it's also the prize fighting business, right? You have a family, you have kids. The money does help, right? You're not doing this for charity. Yeah, but this face fight's not about that. This is to get the leg in and then just take over and then potentially, once

I've done all these rules and influenced the boxing, then the world's my own stuff because I'm not finished with fighting. I'm a puppy in the game. Could I ask, is it true that this fight is taking place at heavyweight? I don't know. They said the weight.

They asked me if I could get to it, so I said yeah. What is the weight? Is it? I don't know. How many rounds? I think they said six or eight I'm going to ask for two because I'm fucked And what about the gloves? How big are the gloves?

Don't know, don't care If the gloves don't work I'll just elbows kite off You did say that if you're behind you'll just throw a kick. You won't really do that, right? Who knows?

Who knows what that until it's capable? Do you think he's worried about that? Because it seemed like he was... He's terrified. I'm going to start the shit houses. I'm going to start swallowing. I'm going to start swallowing. John Fiore had nothing to say.

John Fiore got bullied. Had nothing to say. Now it's getting really dark. Are you in a safe space? I mean, I'm kind of worried. I know the streets of Liverpool could be a little bit mean. I don't live in Liverpool, mate. I live in Posh Place.

Ah, you're in a gated community, yeah? Yeah. Could I ask, did you ever have a history with the Furies? Like, I think you mentioned training. Did you ever train with them or anything like that? Yeah, I trained with Tyson. Look, as I say, I don't hold any ill towards no man during this game. So, come to it.

As I say, many a time people talk about John Jones' misdemeanors, you know, Conor McGregor's misdemeanors, Mike Perry's misdemeanors. I don't really give a shit what any fighter does outside of fighters. I've got no opinion on them. I've been busy in my own life. I have an opinion on them guys. I don't think anything about them.

I just want to smash this situation. That's it. The people are going to hate on me for saying that now? Or troll me? Do me a favor, Darren. I think you're covering the microphone on your thingy there

because it sounds like you're underwater. Maybe just push it out or you're holding it, your phone, maybe you're holding your phone on the speaker. Can you hear me now?

Yeah, yeah, that's good. That's good. You said you don't give a shit about the Furies, yeah? I don't give a shit about anyone. I don't have an opinion on fighters, I's good. That's good. You said you don't give a shit about the Furies, yeah? I don't give a shit about anyone. I don't have an opinion on fighters, I must say. They're all just trying to gain a living for the kids and the women. So I've always been the best, but when it comes to fighting, I don't give a fuck about all of them.

Do me a favor. Pull that speaker out of your shirt there. You see the headphone speaker? I think it's rubbing up against your shirt. Sorry. Is that the one? I don're done okay yeah go what do you want you want to call us back and now it sounds all muffled for some reason why does it sound so muffled you were sounding so great before you hear me now uh maybe some sweat it could be the sweat on the on the microphone yeah you're good you're good you're good um did you did you spar tyson Maybe It could be the sweat on the microphone What about now? Yeah, you're good, you're good Did you spar Tyson?

Yeah How'd it go? He's been on my next bar No Can you hang up and call us right back? Yeah, go on Okay, okay, okay I want to finish this

This is riveting stuff With Darren And Frank Just do me a favor Can you test it with him When he calls back Of course Because we were losing him there And it sounded like

He was underwater But that might be A first for us I mean I don't know If we've ever done An interview with someone When you know When they've been out

For a run You can tell how much He's sweating He's taking it seriously I gotta say Between yesterday And between this interview I'm kind of all in

Good I mean are you You're not selling me man I mean this is Him just being like Don't know how much I'm getting paid I just signed

Don't know how much The gloves weigh Don't know anything Incredible I mean he literally says He has no idea How much he's getting paid He says he has no idea

How much he's getting paid He hasn't looked at it he doesn't know the weight He doesn't know the the rounds He doesn't know the glove sizes I feel like this is Going to uh This is going to be big business uh January 18 tickets went on sale yesterday

It's on DAZN pay-per-view We do have a current Poll up right now Will Darren throw a kick in the fight? 31% say no 69% please God Please yes So it sounds like a lot of people

Are rooting for that Any sign of him? That might have been a mistake Oh god That might have been a mistake We showed you the moment at the press conference where they all popped off and the bottles were thrown. This is another fun moment from yesterday's press conference.

It's different watching me on the television. Well, at the end of the day, if I can't beat it, I'll just kick it in the face and they're all about that. Well, that's not going to happen, Darren. Well, obviously, is that? Because we're eating a cage now in a boxing ring and you're going to find out that boxing is very different than MMA. I'll just kick you straight in your face.

Listen, you kick me straight in the face, well, that's it fight week with Hamza Chamaev. Just him. Just Darren and Hamza. I mean, golly. It's all you kind of need, really. With all due respect. He's selling me, just with this interview

and his performance at the presser yesterday. You add in Hamzat I'll really start getting excited And if Hamzat starts getting in the mix At these pressers too Oh my gosh Imagine it's Darren and Hamzat as a tag team up there It's the whole Fury family

It's Fury It's John and Tommy up there And on the other side of the dais It's Hamzat and Darren In between the other side of the dais It's uh It's Hamza and Darren In between them The powerhouse Ben the Bane Davis Good luck Ben

Yeah I forgot Ben was up there yesterday Shout out man He did a great job He did a great job He's got great pipes But uh Yeah I don't know if I I want anything to do with that one

I mean I had enough excitement last week With uh With Mike andake and the slap and all that stuff um is that darren no that was me blessing jordan sneezing oh my gosh sorry jordan please keep it quiet while we're trying to get darren back on um wow i i may have made the cardinal sin i don't know why you told him i think i think we have some patience here i think he's gonna get get back but uh well it was it was starting I don't know why you told him that. I think we have some patience here. I think he's going to get back. Well, it was starting...

We don't care. I was starting to get a little bit... I don't know. We couldn't hear what he said anymore. No, I mean, of course. Yeah, like that was a... You couldn't continue the interview. Frank said I made a mistake.

Well, Darren, you take what you can get. Wow. What were we even getting? It sounded like he was whispering. It literally sounded like he was underwater. Honestly, I really only had one question left. I just was curious as to how this all came about. So, I mean, I think we got a lot out of him.

I mean, given the circumstances. By the way, do you guys take great joy in not telling me that people, okay, you guys do that. We see him come on running and like there's nothing we can do about it at that point. We can't be like, Darren, could you sit down on the curb and have a proper interview, please? No, I know, but you guys take joy in not telling me. We all agreed. We were just like, as soon as we all saw him running, we were just like, definitely don't tell.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is going to be great. And we put the tag up while he's running. Also, like, it's Darren Till. Like, that is kind of his brand to do something like that. Oh, he did respond to your question, though. Which was that? Everyone stop chatting shit.

He's been on that energy since the time we spoke. I mean, if you go down his Twitter lately, he is on that energy. Yeah, he went after Bo Nickel. Well, he's been critical of Bo. And then after the performance, I think he put out a tweet. What did he call him? Ginger Nuts. Ginger Nuts.

Yes, there it is. Where's the lie? Ginger Nuts isn't ready for Hamza. This is in response to an interview on this program where Bo Nickel is talking about the commentary being somewhat critical of him. Did you guys think the commentary was critical, like overly critical?

I know you were doing the watch party, so maybe you're not listening as attentively. I didn't feel that way. What did you guys think? Anyone notice anything? No, not really the commentary. I just felt the fans. the watch party so maybe you're not listening as attentively i didn't feel that way what did you guys think anyone notice anything no not really the commentary i just felt the fans not only at msg but but also on social media where we're quite critical of them yeah no i i think that i think that it was for the most part at least what i remember fair but obviously he's watching through a different lens let me see um if i can message

well darren i was actually surprised that he came on time i would have bet i would have been my life but he's in he's in um he's in promotional mode yeah next nine weeks he's going to haunt their lives, he said. Just in time for the holiday season. Quote of the day, though. Yes? You can stitch two ticks to your head. Did you hear him say that?

No, I didn't. That's what I love about it. It's so subtle. And it's like you play it in your head and you're like, oh my God. He's a welcoming and accepting man. By the way, what are the odds for this? Are there actual odds? I haven't seen any, but let me look right now.

What do you think the odds are before you actually look? Good Lord. I have no idea. Tommy Fury minus 200. Oh, you think that close, huh? Wow. You think that close? I mean, Jakeake paul was i think the favorite in that one i i just i i wonder though because darren has never i wonder i wonder i don't got any odds on

it no odds whatsoever nah man it's a misfits fight. Darren Till, Tommy Fury. Oh, it's not on that site? ProBoxingHards.com, no. Well, I'm looking here. What do you see? As he prepares to return to the ring over a year since his last bout,

Tommy Fury's the clear three, this is, I think, on a British site, three out of ten favorite to beat Darren Till. So, I'm seeing 11 to four favorite for Darren Till. So that would be what?

Plus 275. So that would mean Tommy is like minus 325 or something. Meanwhile, former UFC star Till is 11 to 4 to upset the odds in Manchester with the draw being at 11 to 1. I can't do that math. 11 to 4 is plus 275. How do you know this? I mean, it's just basic math. 11 to 1. I can't do that math. 11 to 4 is plus 275. How do you know this? I mean, it's just basic math. 11 to 4, I don't even know how to do that calculation. What is the calculation you make? So, like, it's essentially like 4 goes into 8 twice, and then to get to 11, it would be 3 fourths.

So, 3 fourths out of the 100 scale plus 275. Like, if it was 12 to 4, it would just be 3 to 1, which is plus 300. I'm going to get a chalkboard back here and we can start doing math experience. Next time Bo comes on, we'll do betting percentage calculations back here. Fractional to American odds. I mean, Nikisa had a pretty good setup back there. Oh, man. Yeah. You being like, are you in a child school right now he's like i'm in my home off i thought it's a little offensive was that i know that's not what i was getting at i just it looked like a class preschool right

actually this is the home base of mvp uh do you think he was offended well i do love how he was like, you know, I do have a bone to pick with you. And then like ripped into the idea of you not doing the face-to-face, but then was actually complimenting you at the same time. Yes, I wasn't sure where that was going, to be honest. Your face was like, this is riveting. Because it could easily be like,

and you know what, on that note, no more interview. Yeah. Wow, so does this mean I'm going to get kicked off the payroll that I offended his? Well, you're not on the payroll. Oh, that's right. The Scrabble behind him, we were noticing some inaccuracies with it. Uh-oh.

I mean, we had Paul out just on an island. He could have done the end of the L onto the Netflix going vertical. And then he just had a random R-E in there, re. But otherwise, it was good. Well, maybe they were mid-game. Mid-game, and they managed to get Paul Tyson, Serrano, Taylor... These are things that happen mid-game,

but they're not finished. The board isn't complete. You never know. You never know. I will say... What's going on back there? What's happening? Frank's talking shit about your knowledge of Scrabble. Oh, just nodded to the microphone. He's just like, oh, wow.

Okay. We're just like having conversations off. I thought maybe you were talking to Darren, setting him up. Did I make a massive blunder here? I mean. I don't think it was a blunder on your part because we couldn't understand what he was saying. I mean, perhaps if like my audio guy could have weighed in and been like, okay, maybe tell him to do this, that. Like, I'm literally workshop do this, that like,

I'm literally workshopping this on the fly. Is there any sort of advice that I can get next time? Just leave him on there. Yeah. Frank was just like, I don't, I'm not sure what's going on. Hands in the air. I mean,

maybe he wasn't even listening. Were his cans on? I actually don't even think he was in the room. Now that I recall, I was checking out the spread they have in the pantry right now. Do you know Darren and I don't speak on WhatsApp, text, or anything like that? There's a reason for that. You can look it up.

But we do speak via Twitter phone call. Do you know you can call people on Twitter? No, I didn't. Yes, I'm going to call him right now. All right, dial him up. Do it. Here it is. He's the only person I speak to this way. Do you think he just gave people on Twitter? No, I didn't. Yes, I'm going to call him right now. All right, dial him up. Do it. Here it is. He's the only person I speak to this way.

Do you think he just gave up and he just continued running? It's possible, or his phone died. Who knows? Hey, we got him. I'm happy. Let's see. Do you hear that? What is that?

Is that the Twitter thing? It's the Twitter phone thingy. You hear it? Darren. He picked it up he picked it up and hung up and hung up maybe that means he's coming on it's possible he forgot by the way is everything okay with the audio i'm seeing some chatter about out of sync and whatnot is everyone okay thumbs up he's back he's back he's back there don't talk to him yet we gotta set him up oh no i know but thumbs up to the chat everyone okay thumbs up thumbs up you're all okay well i wasn't talking about you guys yeah there it is

sorry if you're listening to the audio you probably thought that the show ended but no i'm still here i'm just doing the thumbs up to the chat. No, not everything's okay. I'm told if you hit F5 sometimes, that helps. Did you hear about this? Frankie said to refresh, and that actually fixed it for me on my computer. What is F5? I see F5.

I use a Mac. There's no F5s on Macs. Not the F5. Not the Darren Till. He's back. Is he back? Darren, are you there? I'm here, mate.

Oh, yeah. Hey, I thought you forgot about us. No, I didn't forget about you earlier. Did you take a shower? Yeah. By the way, that shower was way too quick. It was only a room, wasn't it? So I don't need to... You don't have to use soap or shampoo?

Hello, do you want to get in on this? No. I don't think. Okay. Is this Darren's missus? Yes, but she's eating, so we won't get it on camera. I've never had the pleasure all these years. I mean, I thought we could maybe make the reveal, no?

Yeah, no. I just wanted to know what it's like being Darren's missus. Hello. I just wanted to know what it's like being Darren's Mrs. Ariel Darren could I ask you how did the fight materialize and I won't keep you much longer I promise but how did this all come about? I've always got time for you

I tried to fight for two years obviously I was just there ready to fight I was training non-stop and then like a lot of fights kept falling through Ariel so I was just there ready to fight. I was training non-stop. And then a lot of fights kept falling through here, so I was getting a little bit demotivated. That's one thing I will give credit to the UFC for. Fuck, I've lost my outkeys.

They know how to make fights. They can just make fights straight away. I think boxing's a little bit more, like, I don't know politics more involved uh stuff like that so yeah it's it just they just they just spoke about it like about a few weeks ago and i just said come back to me when we've got a contract and stuff like that and that was it wow and you loved it right i mean this is this is a situation you've been talking about tommy for a while i've been talking about all the guys really haven't i heard him yeah um you you have been critical of influencer boxing uh you don't shy away from that yet you are on a very influencer boxing like card an influencer boxing promotion

the promotion when it comes to influencer boxing is there is there an irony there yeah well real real in the area like at the end of the day i mightn't be a fan of of influencer boxing but i would you know what i'm actually a fan yeah but at the end of the day that's where the money is so how can you say you're going for the money but not go for the influencer you know like i don't know shit you know what i mean yeah so you were there in Manchester last year. That's when we rekindled our friendship. What did you think of Tommy's performance against KSI that night?

I didn't think it was awful. You weren't impressed? No. Who do you think won? I thought KSI won the fight. Wow, yeah. Who do you think won? In the moment, I thought... No, no, no. In the moment, I thought KSI won the fight. Wow, yeah. Do you think one? Like, do you think one?

In the moment, I thought, no, no, no, in the moment, I thought KSI won. But I thought, I thought it was a very, very not entertaining fight. No, it wasn't entertaining.

It was, it was a lot of, yeah, there was a lot of star jumping, stuff like that. Do you have a similar style to KSI's? No,

no, no. But you do box with your to KSI's? No No No But you do box with your hands down, no? Not anymore, Ariel Nobody's seen me after two years Wait till you see me Wow You're going to be impressed

I promise Who will you be boxing with? Like who are you going to be training with? Who's your camp? I'm training with the guys from the Rotunda Ariel, I'm just going to go off the Wi-Fi Just give me one sec Yeah, sure, no problem

Where are you going? Okay Should be okay-Fi? Just give me one sec. Yeah, sure. No problem. Where are you going? Okay. Should be okay now. Yeah, yeah. Can you see me now? Yeah, where are you going now? We've got the house keys.

To the other house. This is like a night out in the town with the tills. Have you got the other house keys? The taxi driver just drove off. It's like a night out on the town with you guys. Yeah, but we're not drinking. Yeah, no taxi cabs, no Mallorca. Canary Islands.

Ariel. Stop. Are you bringing my taco? No, no, sorry. Are you bringing my taco? Where are you going? It's kind of late there, no? Isn't it 9pm? Yeah, I have to

turn the heating off in my house because I left it on. Oh, because you're moving. Yeah, moving area. You're moving on up? Bigger house? Nicer area? Moving on down, my friend. What do you mean, moving on down? I don't know. What do I mean? on down? I don't know. What do I mean?

Life is good, though. Life couldn't be better, mate. I'm happy. I fucking got the exact the right people in either army. What is this guy doing? You could use some of the gold that you were digging for to pay for the new house. The gold? I was

digging for gold. Rich, stop here. house the gold i was thinking for gold i mean a bottle of water oh sorry the bottle of water I'm enjoying this I don't know No I'm enjoying this I'm letting it play out What just happened? What just happened?

So basically The guy drove up the street And then come back And said you can't have the beer In the car. That's not beer. It's sparkling water. And he drove away.

He just drove away. Who is it? An Uber driver? Yeah. What an idiot. Your reputation maybe is at play here My reputation? I don't know, maybe he thinks you're drinking

Hang on If he caught me about a week I would have been drinking Did you drink last night? I saw you tweet a picture. Yeah, I was pissed last night. I was fucking bladdered, to be honest with you. Are you going to cut it out now that you're in camp?

No. Tommy, it's that shit. I don't need to. What's the prediction? I think I'm going to break him in the later rounds. And then the plan, is the plan KSI after him? You see me?

I don't think KSI will fight me after I beat Tommy. Why not? Because I'll be too fucking ferocious for him. He'll know. What do you make of him saying you're his son and all this stuff? He never said that. He said Tommy was his son.

So I said, am I your son as well? And he nervously said, oh, I guess so. Nobody wants that smoke there in the area. Any interactions with him? No. Not backstage or anything like that? No, no. I didn't see them. Okay. I'll ask you two more questions and I'll let you go. I'll ask you, what did you think of jake and mike uh i just seen the keys are talking about it

yes yeah i mean nikita i've got a lot of time for you mate but can you just like zipping it a little bit and just stop talking? Mike Tyson's made the most money and the most views and stuff like that. What are you on about? We're in a social media era where Netflix wasn't around when Mike Tyson was fighting in the 80s and 90s. Nikita's

a very smart man, so I don't understand why he's talking like that. This is the thing, man so I don't understand why he's talking like that this is the thing man I've seen a Twitter poll of who would win in a fight if they were both in their prime Jake Paul and Mike Tyson yes what like is this the level we've got to is this the level of stupidity we're in we're in

we're in like is this real life now aerial is like are people like i know people are done like these twitter trolls like these these mma trolls and I know they're all dumb like they're complete they're just so stupid and dumb is everyone else just dumb right now like is this what we're in this is the time we're in

like Mike Tyson V Jake Paul in their primes like do we forget what Mike Tyson was or is Jake Paul's a good boxer

but he's bang average like he's he's fucking shit you he's he's fucking shit you know what he's not his shit is that is that a bucket list thing for you

maybe not bucket list but a goal for 2025 I don't know Ariel they're not gonna fight me now Adi if it's but fairy shit Adi they're gonna leave me

I thought you were gonna say they're not gonna fight you after what you do to Tommy Fury they're not going to fight you after what you do to Tommy Fury. They're definitely not going to fight me after

I fucking put a number on him. How many more times do you see him up until fight

week? Basically, what I'm asking is, are there opportunities for more things to

happen between the two of you? I've moved quite close to where he lives, so who knows? They don't live far from Liverpool is that an invitation?

not really John Fiore was the one who was telling me to come to his house and that he was going to bite my face off and my ears off so now that he's said that do I get the right to just bite Tommy's face off in the fight? What happens if you see John next time?

That's a him problem. I've called it on. John needs to do something about it now. I've said, come on, let's go. So, I'm the one. He needs to do something,

don't he? How old is John? I called him. No, mate. John Fury's never even had a fight. he needs to do something don't he how old is John I called him no mate John Fiore he's never even had a fight he's had about two fights in his life and he lost both of them

he did throw a water bottle at you he never he threw water at me he thought about throwing a water bottle and he knew that I'd fucking

absolutely eye on him and his son for it they swallowed it They swallowed it. They swallowed it. They didn't want to know. John Fiore was calling me pig's eyes, like Shaftamala pig. What is that?

Does he raise pigs? Does he fuck pigs or something? John, has he got an obsession with pigs? What's all his pig obsession? Type in Shaftamala pig on Google and it comes up, John Fury. What's the obsession with pigs, John? What did you say? You said he had bread for brains or something

like that? The IQ of a loaf of bread. The IQ of a bread. By the way, what's the beef with Bo Nickel? I feel like you're hard on Bo. Yeah, I am. Like, I'm going to be honest. I don't like Bo's attitude.

Like, we good? I don't like Bo's attitude. Like, he's come in the game. He's supremely confident. And I love all that. And, yeah, I love his accolades in wrestling. But, like, he's just so confident and I love all that and yeah, I love his accolades in wrestling but like, he's just,

he's just so arrogant, man, like, you can just tell he's a little, he's a little young, rich boy from mummy and daddy, just,

he's never really had it hard, like, don't get me wrong, he's a wrestler at like, the highest level so he's fucking,

he's dynamite in that sense but he's just so, you can just see it when he talks and the way he acts, he just thinks he's, he just thinks he just thinks

he's a cut above everyone so it's nice to see him like struggling at the start because I didn't struggle with any of my opponents at the start of the UFC

so it's like eat some humble pie my friend I don't like that like he's talking mad shit about me like yeah

I just smoked that and he said well you wouldn't because your striking is absolutely appalling but yeah okay you get the takedown maybe but i work a few bits of takedown that does that get him you know do you know your your last appearance on the show has now gone down in

infamy as one of the great appearances in the history of the show so much so that that we now use audio from it um when we're when we're talking throughout just like regular discussion on the show. Like there's one that I really like, this one. We don't care. And there's another one. Everyone stop chatting shit. This is now part of the fabric of the show. Is there anything before I let you go?

Is there anything that you want to get off your chest? Because it was so legendary, the last appearance. What's bothering you? What's irking you? Don't start me, Ariel. I've got mad ADHD. I'll stand up and just go on the craziest. Can you imagine living with me, Ariel? I have these crazy spirits of ADHD,

and I just have to scream and shout. It's hard work being around me, you know, Ariel? That's why I wanted to commend your missus for surviving this experience. No, she's as bad as me you know she gets the worst adhd ever we have to take turns and who shouts at each other am i right hey yo i said don't we have to take turns and who shouts at each other we have to shut the other one up to speak and then we go on a 10 minute rant and then we we lie down and we get tired and we go okay i'm done now well it sounds like you're a match made in heaven yeah we are for it's hard

a lot of autism and adhd well uh god bless uh congrats on the new house congrats on the fight and look ariel i just want to say from like i always like to say these things like whether you like me or you hate me and I know a lot of people do hate me and a lot of people love me I'm not like I'm not in this to

fucking trash anyone's peers like as a person or or whatever I just want to live a good life myself Ariel and just like make sure all my peers and

my family are okay I just want to make good fights mate and I've never turned down a fight in my life whether it was in the UFC or outside of it I've

always fought the best coming up short or not like I've never turned down a fight in my life, whether it was in the UFC or outside of it. I've always fought the best, coming up short or not. I've always put it on the line, so people do need to respect me for that. Amen. Amen. 100%. I'm happy you're getting this opportunity. I'm looking forward to it. Should I turn up January 18th?

Do you want to come? I'm interested. I think maybe you might need some backup. You need some muscle. You need some... Do you want to come to the after party? No, I don't do after parties. Do you want to come to my after party?

I'm not really sure what that entails. Do you know what goes on at my after party? No, I don't. Tell me. I can't. It's just like a big party, right? Like you guys drink lemonade. Go on, Ariel.

Thank you, Darren. All the best. Sound. There he is. The man. Darren Till. What a guy. If you could have him just move the phone a little closer so we could hear him a little better. No, I cannot. I cannot do that. It's looking very blue outside today.

Is that me? Yeah, it's overcast. Ah, yes. Blue moon, you've got me standing above. Actually, I know why you did that, Frank. Why so? Because Blue Moon is the song that they sing in Manchester when Ricky Hatton walks out and when Manchester City hits the pitch. Nailed it.

You going to that Darren Till after party or what? No, I'm not. I am not. I've never actually been to an after party. Oh, no. No. So first you call them afters. Yeah, yeah.

That's like the new lingo for it. I honestly, I think in the history of my time coming to sport, I've obviously been invited to a plethora of them over the years. I don't know if I've ever actually gone to one, I think. Did we not have an after party last night? Yeah, that was a good time. That was a good time. We had some dim sum.

Well, we had dim sum adjacent, according to. Wow some dim sum well we had dim sum adjacent according to wow dim sum adjacent we had wow i didn't know this according to rick and jordan and jordan told the wait staff i love i love every one day we'll have real dim sum he screams across the empty restaurant while the wait staff stares on i love going to uh dim sum type places with rick in particular because you see him like he really gets the flex. It's the element. He starts telling me like, no, you're doing this wrong. I've completely burnt the top of my palate just for the record.

Oh, yeah, that was great. I actually watched you go in for a soup dumpling. He's like, that's hot, that's hot, chill, chill, chill. Zoop down the gullet, boom, right back on. This is amateur. This is your sign it's not dim sum because that's a Shanghainese dish. You know what he told me? He was like, the dough was good, but the chew was a little off.

And then he like spit it into a bowl. He was flexing on his heart. He also ordered like 18 different dishes. He's like, no, that's the shrimp. There's the pork. He got into an argument. Here you go. And then, yeah, and then like they set down some dish.

And he's like, Connor, you want some intestines? I was like, try it where I draw the line Oh man I hope I didn't have that No no you didn't have any Okay it was good a lot of pork Can't partake in that Hot but listen We had done a collective I don't know

Five and a half hours of Programming at that point Brand new show Prep and everything doesn't add to that There's nothing better than a big juicy meal after a long day of talking about combat sports great dinner even better dessert yeah it was the best dessert no i came home and when you asked if there was dessert and they're like we actually have chinese dessert like he goes yeah no i'm at a chinese restaurant That's what I want, I want that type of dessert That's what I'm asking

Well, let me explain it to you You have Chinese desserts if you want one of those Yeah And while you were like, actually I'm kind of And he's like, hold on, hold on, hold on And he left and then he came back and he's like I guess no dessert then, huh? No, there's nuance to what he's trying to say here though

The waiter, that is The Chinese desserts are not as sweet They're not all about the sugary sweet like when we think of dessert it's like this like ice cream candy cookie cake but how do you know desserts are like the aerial red bean they're like i love red bean paste i'm a huge offer to red bean dessert yes but everyone was making a whole big thing what do you think i'm some uncultured buffoon i know you're gonna answer that on what right listen i actually am not going to lie. I don't think the

latter of what you just said. When he did say red bean paste, I was like, I wonder if Ariel would like that. I adore red bean paste. I adore mochi, red bean paste. Christmas, birthday gifts? It's actually probably my favorite dessert.

In the entire world? No joke Wow He offered this to you Noted Favorite dessert in the entire world You were saying that You were talking shit

Yes yes the red bean That's my favorite dessert In the entire world I was feeling some sort of way I was feeling I love tiramisu If he had been like Well we have an excellent tiramisu

I'd be like Bring on plop one right now Yeah I was feeling self conscious Everyone was judging me He said red bean paste And you were like, meh. No, there's a place called H Mart. Do you know H Mart?

Yeah, of course. There's one near here. Bro, is there? Yeah. There is actually one near Union Square. It's pretty incredible. My kids and I go and we have a field day. I get all the little red bean paste things.

Oh, they're incredible. Wow, look at you. I love this. This is good to know. Birthday cultivation food. I'm coming over We're going to go to H Mart We'll get all the food and come back We'll get all the red bean paste

I'm actually a little bit insulted You guys thought I was just like I just wasn't sure if you'd love red bean paste You thought I was a simpleton I actually don't really love red bean paste Oh it's fantastic I mean I've had it. The man was eating scallion pancakes like they were made out of scallions.

The scallion pancakes, I will slurp down. I mean, those just go like a vacuum cleaner, bro. Ade, first time ever having a scallion pancake. Shout out. Yeah, that's weird. I mean, that's a simpleton right there. I disagree. I think Ade is a very cultured man.

He wanted to take us to Nigeria Next time he comes It's guaranteed Nigerian food I will admit I don't think I've ever had Traditional Nigerian food

You mean eating with your hands? Well I did I did I did eat A matzo ball soup With Israel Desenya In the ESPN cafeteria And he then very quickly

Discarded the spoon and Ate it with his hands which I thought was Respect Bold because it was a hot soup Listen next time Israel Adesanya Fights Nigerian food without it Oh my god that's the one

Now we're thinking The question is who goes to who? Either works man Yeah I know he's dying To get back here Oh yeah He wants to come every week

And I'm happy to have him Also happy to hear That Chris Weidman Versus Eric Anders Has been rescheduled For UFC 310 On December 7th That just came

Through the wire First reported by Our old friend Mark LaMonica Of Newsday So that's some breaking news, Frank. Yeah. So unfortunate that the fight fell through.

It is taking place at 195 pounds, so a catch weight, not 185. They are running it back in just two weeks' time. I'm actually going to be in Las Vegas that week. I will be attending the World MMA Awards and it's a historic edition of the World MMA Awards for two reasons. Of course, number one,

going for number 15 consecutive in a row. That's what consecutive means. Oh. NBD. It's also the first time and the last time, excuse me, I should say,

that Uncrowned will not be nominated. Nice. So drink it in. A little too late. We got in there. I thought you were going to say And the last time, excuse me, I should say That Uncrowned will not be Nominated So drink it in, a little too late I thought you were going to say the first time That you're bringing out the whole team To Vegas, no we did that already For the awards ceremony You guys got Boys in the Back

On Thursdays I'll be rooting from afar though And speaking of Boys in the Back, that goes down tomorrow at 1 p.m. Eastern, right here on this channel. Thumbs up to the chat. Hey, do we have a new little thingy? We have a new little subscribe thingy, right?

Has that been popping up throughout the show? I haven't seen it. It goes, boing. Yeah. Oh, look at that. We're proper YouTubers now. Like, that's like an actual thing. Can we get the little click button?

Like the little sound? You didn't hear it? We've actually now, we will have to change it to that. You just made. You tell us, Ariel, do we have the clearances? Do we have this sound? Yeah, we'll get that. And then there's also the.

And then don't forget the ring. All those things are in the works Workshopping it So please do keep subscribing We're shooting for 250 There's been some talk that we're not going to hit it by Christmas But I'm staying positive Pod feed

YouTube channel All the things that are cooking right now It's all very exciting Do we have any insight as to what will be going down On tomorrow's episode of The Boys in the Back? We've got some special things planned. Okay, nothing you want to tease? A guest?

Yeah, we have a special guest. Oh, announcement or TBD? We might as well because it's going to be breaking news. Available. Connor, why don't you do it? Reigning. Defending. Phantomweight champion of the world, Juliana Pena, will join us live.

Make her Parley Pals pick on the show and chat some shit with the boys. That's a big get. That's a big get. First Parley Pal to ever compete for a UFC title First parlay pal to ever win a UFC title And she now rightfully joins the program And her debut on the program Wow that's a big get Hard to book her?

Very hard to book her Figured Are you still on a DM? No text no text you might have to graduate soon soon soon maybe after this that's big it is before to that oh can't wait pound for pound rankings oh thanksgiving dishes because we won't do a show on actual thanksgiving that's right i'm the only one working that one's gonna get contentious you told me it was autumn dinners, not specifically Thanksgiving.

Frankie, don't start, man. Don't do it. This is bullshit. How can I prepare when you just change the goalpost? Autumn dinners. I don't even know what that means. Fucking soup and chili. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, next week. I can already feel it. Monday through Wednesday. This week we have Boys in the Back on Thursday. Wait, Wednesday? Yeah, that's right. You know I love a good pre-Thanksgiving Wednesday show.

One of the all-time great shows that we ever had in our history was the early morning pre-Thanksgiving Wednesday show and then we watched Canada return to the World Cup, lose a heartbreaker to Belgium. Remember that?

Can't believe that's been like two years. I erased one little detail of that day. One of the most disappointing days of our... What erasing? I wore a Belgium jersey? Yeah, it was off. I was supporting the winners. That was off. It was off. Lukaku didn't even play.

Do you have a couple of super chats? Oh, please, please, please. I was about to wrap up. No, I was afraid of that. We got Jake from Windy City sent in $5. He says, hi, Ariel. Question for on the nose. I'm traveling to New York City for the first time during the holidays.

What are the most go-tos in NYC? Thanks. Any particular reason why you said holidays like that? Yeah, I like saying holidays. Go-to. I mean, obviously, you have to check out Rockefeller Center, the tree. I love, I mean, there's just the different pockets of New York. So West Village is incredible. It's beautiful.

East Village is a whole different vibe, but also incredible in its own right. Have to check that out. Soho, very fun as well. I'm not the biggest fan of Times Square, but I'm not going to be the New Yorker who's like, don't go to Times Square. It's so touristy. Of course you the biggest fan of Times Square, but I'm not going to be the New Yorker who's like, don't go to Times Square, it's so touristy. Of course you have to go to Times Square. That's like someone telling someone who's visiting London not to go to Piccadilly Circus. Now,

Times Square is a thousand times better than Piccadilly Circus. Piccadilly Circus is essentially like three screens. But you've got to go check it out. Those fighting words. Do you go to the Empire State Building? Do you go to the Chrysler Building? I really enjoy, you know what's one of my favorite things to do, especially as a tourist, and they shut it down during COVID. And I think they may have brought it back and I'd love to take my kids.

Have you guys ever done the NBC tour? I have not. It's an amazing, I love the magic of TV and the history of TV and, you know, the NBC Nightly News and SNL and The Tonight Show. And I love all that stuff. And I tend to romanticize about those like 50s and 60s, you know, that era of TV. And it's a great time. So if that's open, if that's available, I highly recommend it as well. And then you could go to the Upper East and the Upper West, but now it's a little bit more suburban, if you will. Am I missing anything?

Am I missing anything big? That's the big ones, yeah. MSG, of course, you want to see it. You can maybe catch something Radio City. Those are the big stuff. Broadway. Broadway, Fifth Avenue. Go to Central Park.

Take a walk. Central Park is fantastic. The Plaza, you know, that whole area if you're a Home Alone fan. So, yeah, there's a ton. I mean you can literally – Things to avoid. Yes. Don't go wait to touch the bull on Financial District.

Like what's up with that? Yeah. And then the little girl in front of the stock exchange statue. Like I don't know. I don't mind that. I think it's a it's a cool thing because you didn't have to walk by it yeah i think i just got tired of it quickly i was gonna say this feels like you're some resentment from where we used to work yeah you're literally being that guy time square is horrible though i do have to say yeah but you gotta go yeah i know but it's the war i know can i tell you actually my my least favorite part of new y York is like the Herald Square 34th Street. Oh, I'm like the 42nd Street area.

Times Square, way worse. I hate it. Way worse. The whole 42nd Street area. What is bad about the Knicks play there? Madison Square Garden. I adore MSG, but it's just, to me, it's kind of an extension of that Times Square area, but like a little less.

That whole Midtown is just the worst. We don't go above 14, let's be real. Favorite part? Oh, West Village. Yeah. Absolutely love the West Village. Magnolias? The bakery?

You ever have the banana pudding? Fantastic. To me, there's nothing better than going to West Village, getting the banana pudding, and then walking around with it. You kind of snubbed our old EBS in the background in the window, man. An unbelievable building. I highly recommend people go. Especially at Christmas, the elf, you know, big dog works in the building.

Here's the real New York tip. Go to the outer boroughs. Manhattan's washed. Go to Queens. Go to Brooklyn. Find something better. Stay, man. That is such a-

Definitely go to like Staten Island. No. Go play nine go to Staten Island. Go play nine holes in Staten Island. Why don't you go to Yonkers? Go to a store. That's not a borough. We have another super chat. Kobe, $5. In a fictional world, what tournament would you rather see?

Heavyweight or lightweight? All big promotions put in their champs too. Love the show! That's a good question. I would say that there are more interesting names probably at lightweight than heavyweight. Most of the big name heavyweights are in the UFC, but there's no one bigger than Francis.

And so I would say the big dogs are Francis, Tom, John, have Alex move up maybe to heavyweight. Throw in a Phil DeFries in there. Maybe a Vadim Nemkov, if you will. Probably heavyweight. I think heavyweight would be more fun. I think it would be sexier, as they say. Nice.

Robert McAllister, 5 pounds. Ariel often said on the MMA Hour that there was a reason he doesn't attend UFC events anymore, but he was keeping the story for the future. Yes. Time to tell? No. I don't feel like this is the time, and I don't really have the energy to open up that can of worms, if you will. But one day I will. I promise you, one day I will. And one day, you know, I know people love this stuff.

It's a funny thing. People love this stuff. And then some people say, stop talking about it. And I don't bring it up like now. I'm being asked about it. But people are obsessed with this. I could tell you about a lot of things that I've never really shared about the end of my time at ESPN. And then a lot of the time at Fox that I've never talked about. I mean, there's a litany of things, which I probably need to start writing down that I've never talked about. I mean, there's a litany of things, which I probably need to start writing down so I don't forget. That being said, there are some people who probably say, save it for the book, right?

Highway to Helwani, coming at you. That's why we got to get it written down. 2020 something. When's Sweet 16 coming out? Maybe 2026. I mean, 10-year anniversary. You just said Highway to Helwani, 2020-something. I said something.

Could be 2029, 26, 29. Within the next five years, we'll have Highway to Helwani in bookstores? And a coffee shop. That'd be sick. And then I'd be done. Don't want to forget. Oh, go ahead. Yeah, no, there's just so much going on.

I'm thinking 2030-something. 2030? All right. Mighty Zan also gifted five memberships. You just got to love it. It's his season, everyone's doing it Thank you, I do love the gifting And thumbs up to the chat, but sometimes I feel like the gifting

Then all of a sudden Lets in the riffraff, you know Yeah, well, them's the breaks That's the kids say Anything else? That is it That's it Well I appreciate everyone who contributed

Thank you very much I didn't necessarily call for the music I had more than I wanted to say No I'm kidding I was done By the way what comes Hey subscribe Question for GC What comes out first

Highway to Helwani or GTA 6 GTA 6 Is that a good one I mean that was that was a hit I popped there which son came up with that idea I mean that was yeah that was a very relevant one no no who gave you that who gave you that there's no way I love you dropping in the bros like your kids yeah he said they say like uh well my kids just they don't call me dad anymore they just call me bro bro but they but I see in the comments i see sometimes like i can't believe we got x before we got gta 6. yeah yeah i mean that's a meme yesterday my son said to me bro my my teacher was glazing me because you were on netflix i can't believe we got it it's a hot thing to say about your future i'm not even gonna lie

did you try to police that language at all or just just roll with it? I'm just saying, like, what level of glazing? Like, did she give you, like, 100? I mean, what was your aura? I think we need some inappropriate phrase for a 10-year-old to say. Yeah, we need some brain that back. You could police a little. Does he know what it actually means? No, there's no way.

There's no way. And to say it about his teacher. Are we saying it's a bad thing? Because it's, like, the fifth word in every sentence? I understand, but it is like the actual definition of fairly inappropriate. Is it? What? Yes.

This is the thing. It started inappropriate, but kids have taken it now. It's like the other word that I always use that you say is inappropriate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Listen, get with the times, fellas. Get with the times. Thank you, Nikisa. Thank you, Darren Till. Thank you, yeah, exactly. Listen, get with the times, fellas. Get with the times. Thank you, Nikisa. Thank you,

Darren Till. Thank you, Gable Steve Zed. Back on Thursday, same time, same place. Peace. I'm out of here.