The Ariel Helwani Show - Darren Till, Renato Moicano, Charles Jourdain, Jasmine Jasudavicius, Youssef Zalal, more

Episode Date: April 21, 2026

Ariel Helwani begins the show by touching on the NBA playoff battle between his New York Knicks and GC’s Atlanta Hawks, as well as Jiri Prochazka’s latest statement (02:25). Youssef Zalal is back to preview his UFC main event against Aljamain Sterling, talking about how the fight came together, having trained with Sterling in the past, wanting to win by submission, his “receipts” for Alexander Volkanovski, planning to be champion by 2027, and more (18:14). Old friend Darren Till stops by to discuss leaving Misfits and signing with BKFC, whether he’ll eventually fight Mike Perry, facing Aaron Chalmers in his BKFC debut, Dana White’s ego when addressing the media, the “disastrous” state of UFC, Tom Aspinall teaming with Eddie Hearn, and more (49:36). Charles Jourdain joins after a big win over Kyler Phillips to talk about his online persona, his disappointment about not being ranked, calling for a fight against Marlon "Chito" Vera, the upcoming UFC debut of his brother, and more (1:39:18). Renato Moicano returns, discussing his promo after beating Chris Duncan earlier this month, his relationship with the fans, content strategy on his YouTube channel, the White House card, his thoughts on AI, Conor McGregor’s next fight, and the usual plunge into economics, religion, and politics (1:57:48). Jasmine Jasudavicius is our final guest of the day, recapping her victory over Karine Silva in Winnipeg, revealing what was in her mouth during the fight, then talking about the mysterious “Jas Choke,” who she wants to fight next, and more (2:41:12). Ariel and The Boys in the Back cover some recent news (3:06:11), before closing the show with your Super Chats (3:16:16).

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the... Look at that move right there. Oh yeah, you know yourself, we've leveled up. I forgot about the move today. We've been circling this day on our calendar here. Oh, I wanted to revel in the move one more time. I wanted to enjoy that shot. All right, I'll come over here on this Tuesday, April 21st.

You see the whip in which Andy cracks on us? It's an unbelievable thing. No, I saw the Boys of the... saw the boys in the back getting the movement, the camera. I was like, oh, wow, that's a nice little wrinkle, if you will. I'd love to... What, you want me to re-wrack that? You want to see it again?

Can I get it one more time? Yeah, yeah, I want to see it one more time. I need to sharpen my pencil here. Let's see one more time, because it's a really big move, and I've been sort of envying it from afar. It's a nut, you know, it shows that we actually have high production quality here, so it starts, like, really zoomed out, and then it comes in. And I'm really...

here it is, here it is. Back in your life on this Tuesday, April 21st, 2000. And 26, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. And, you know, after that, I'm feeling better because I have to admit, I woke up today in an awful mood. Awful, awful mood. Went to better and awful mood. It's, it's that familiar feeling of a gut-wrenching loss. How did the Knicks lose to the Atlanta Hawks yesterday? I have no idea. Actually, I do know. many, many takes on why they lost that game, but still hurts nonetheless. My kids went to bed, up by 12.

They wake up today saying, how much should we win by? And I had to break the news to them. I had to break the news to them. Still won one. I guess not a big deal, but it's just, why could we never, why could we just, like, lose normally, you know?

And then I have to see the stupid kids outside of MSG, even yesterday celebrating, doing a Nixon file. I don't even know, are they confused? Do they not understand how this, works, it's all very embarrassing. I'm happy that I'm only a Knicks fan as far as New York sports is concerned, because I don't think I can handle this when it comes to all the other teams here, because it's a lot of performative bullshit, and I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy it. It's actually like an embarrassment. It's embarrassing for us actual fans.

Anyway, Tide 1-1. Conspicuous by his absence in the group chat. Didn't say a word, actually, was Atlanta's own GC. What are you going to say, man? I was wondering, you know, I wanted you see. What did you want me to say? I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. I see, I knew it.

I was waiting for the cut. I was waiting. I was waiting for the cut. Because when I came in today, you were wearing a long sleeve. And I was like, this shirt. This shirt is way too plain. And I knew that you were going to hide and wait for my reaction when they cut to you. I knew it.

And then you were hiding. Like, I knew you were. You only have one Hawks jersey because that's the kind of fan that you are. And that's fine. I'm not here to gate keep fandom. How many next jerseys do you have? 15? I don't know. Fifteen?

Yes. How can you have that many? You don't wear any turn to check. I buy a lot of them. Frazier, Ewing, Brunson, Hart, Ananoby, Towns. I buy them for my kids. Same thing. Oh, for the kids?

It's a household purchase, all right? What is this? I was waiting for that jersey. What did you want me to say last? You didn't say anything. Yeah, you get in your feelings. Like, you get upset. Yes, yes.

But I'm still waiting for it. What do you want me to say? Nice win. Let's fucking go hawk. Caugh. C.J. McCollum's been here for six minutes. Caw, Caw, C. Shut up.

See, C.J. McCollum. Turn it back the clock, man. Yeah, it is inspirational. Three months ago, no one wanted this guy, and all of a sudden, he became freaking Reggie Miller out there. Podcast host turned... Is he a podcast host? He had a podcast host, yeah. Had. That's what I'm saying.

Former podcast host now... Yeah, unsuccessful, like the rest of his career. Wow. Just a perpetual bum. Now he wants J.D. I actually kind of like... Yeah, I like that. I do like...

CJ, he does seem like a nice guy, so I'm trying not to... Be his finest. Yeah, he wants to smoke. Look, great defense. We crumbled. Some real questionable coaching, rotations, decisions, personnel moves. We now go to the A. Luckily for us, Atlanta is probably the least scariest arena in the league.

The highlight factory? The State Farm Arena or whatever the hell it's called these days. What is it called these days? The Raising Cains. State Farm Arena, yeah. Okay. Yeah, luckily for us... You're going to need an insurance plan when you come see us, all right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they're a good team. They're a good team. I'm just annoyed. We should be up too. You know we should be up too O. You weren't even watching. You were watching Monday Night Raw last night.

You weren't even watching. You were texting more about Monday Night Raw than the actual game. I couldn't believe it. Self-proclaimed Atlanta sports lover. First of all. Cared more about Sol Ruka making her debut. Fucking Sol Ruka debut was unbelievable. She's my new favorite wrestler.

She's insane. I'm also texting this. It was like second quarter. We were trailing the entire. entire game up until the fourth. No spiking of the football. I didn't want to spike. But this is the spiking.

This is the better spiking. I have to support my team. Oh, I expect that. I don't expect you not to. The series is officially started. I said yesterday on the program, it will start when a road team wins, which will be last night,

that ended up happening. Now the series has begun. Someone actually wrote me that they have a ticket for you if you want to go this weekend. In Atlanta, though? Yes. What do you mean in Atlanta, though?

The next two games are in Atlanta. I can't travel. I can't travel. He's inviting you. I know, I can't travel. Why not? Come up to New York and I'll come with you. Well, you want him to get you a ticket at the garden? It's like 10 times the price. I know, I know. That's why I'm not in that. Let me tell you something right here now. Game three is Thursday.

Also on Thursday, boys on the back. If you think that you're sitting in this chair on Thursday with any sort of Atlanta Hawks paraphernalia, I'm cutting the stream. I'm literally coming here and pulling the plug. I'm bringing in my combo statue. That's your office back there. You can, wherever the hell you want. This is my house right here. There ain't no Atlanta Hawksgear allowed in the vicinity until this series is over. Did you see that thing where, is it hot 97? Hot 97 is not playing any Atlanta music until the series is over. I actually love that.

Same goes for this. Can you get this seriously? I love it. So if you, I just want to let you know as you plan your attire, if you think you're going to sit here on Thursday wearing Hawks gear, I'm pulling the stream. I'm calling up, who am I going to call up? Tyler? You're going to put it on leaders only. Who am I calling up? You'll actually have to drive in to pull it. You know what? No, I don't. I just go to members-only chat. I turn it to members-only, and I'm shutting the whole shit down. Yes. Thank you, Dan. Appreciate it. I will be doing that. I'm very salty. I'm in a bad mood. And, you know, it's just, it's rinse and repeat. Every spring, every January. Bill's Nicks, Bill's Nicks, bad mood, bad mood, crushed dreams, depressed, upset, yelling at everyone, have to sleep on the couch. I mean, it's just, it's an awful existence. It really is. It's really sleep on the couch.

No, but I did go upstairs, and then I said to Jacqueline, I have horrible news. And she goes, what? Nick Sloss. What? What are you talking about? You don't preface it like that. It was bad news. I was upset.

She thought I was being, like, serious about real news. But to me, it's real news. Sorry. The kids were going to be upset. I knew it what was coming. Like, I knew that they were going to be starting their day on the wrong foot. And I was sad for them. At what point did they go to bed?

They legit went to bed with about, 10 minutes left in the 4th. Okay. And as I went upstairs to say good night, they said, what's the score? And I said, we're up 12. I said that. And then I think we went down to 8.

And then I was starting to get nervous. And then J.B. comes back and those guys. And I'm like, oh, God, not this again. Please not this again. And then it's just, what is it about Madison Square Garden? Where everyone just plays like superhuman. And you know what I actually think it is? The fans start chanting, F this, F that, F that.

And everyone just gets hyped for that. No one else does that. Maybe we should chill on the chance a little bit. Do you never notice that? Every time they do F this, F that, that player goes off. Yes. Can we just chill with the chance? So no chance, no hanging outside the garden.

Yes. This is a whole list of things. Yes, there's a lot of rules. Don't wear jerseys of people who are younger than you. Don't show up pouring honey on your head after game one. Can't wear jerseys of another team in my studio. And tip your server on the way out. How was Monday Night Raw?

Was it good? I actually only watched the Soul Ruka match. You did tell us yesterday you were not going to watch. I know, and then... Couldn't stay away. I got the two TVs. I was like, you know, might as well. You always mention the two TVs, huh?

It's a bit of a flex these days. It's a bit of a flex. Are they both mounted? No. But it fits. It fits perfectly. It fits perfectly. It goes like TV stand area,

straight into the TV, which leads straight into the sound bar of the big TV. into the jumbo TV. It fits perfectly. It's a beautiful synergy. Any wires showing? Not a single wire showing. Shout out to Roku TVs.

Very affordable. Comes with the Roku built in on it. It's great. It's great, man. Why isn't Rick saying anything in all of this? Because his calves are up too old. He's just happy about life. What am I supposed to contribute here?

Bro, your name is New York Rick. All right? Yeah. It's just like, it's crazy. What's crazy? You're so. Tell me more. Your freaking name is your kid.

We're talking about your team. Yeah. My team. We're talking about your city. Hey man, the cabs looked slick last night in those jerseys. Yeah. Talking about my team. You don't need to worry about my team. Worry about the business you got in front of you before you start worrying about my team.

Oh, okay. All right. We're about to take out the Canadian boys and then... And I might have to go down the State Farm this week. Yeah, I got a guy in my mention saying he's got a ticket for you. Do you think that would be weird? What? If I write to the dude like, hey, come.

Conner's in and then you have to go to a game with some random guy. No, that'd be sick. My nightmare. Maybe my nightmare. You have to sit there and do small talk for three hours. The issue is you're going to know how it's going to go within seconds of meeting the guy. It's either going to be like, oh, this guy's actually chill. We're going to have a great time or it's like, oh, super awkward.

No, then you just do the, you know what? Got to go. No, man, you're at a game. Oh, you're in the arena. You're sitting right next to him. You got to go and then you just move seats. You're good. State Farm's lockdown, bro.

Every seat is taken. can't even like Seats taken. Yeah, right. Playhouse, it's April 1st, there's two weeks left. They're in a playoff chase

tons of empty seats. Yeah. Highlight factory, baby. This is, this is a kid for you guys. This is going to be fun. This is good. Joe Johnsons of the world.

Yeah. This is why we do this. Yeah, no, for sure. Shout out ISO Joe. Yeah, he was good. Legend. We'll be okay. We've got a great series,

man. We got a great series. I don't want a great series. I don't want a great series. I want a sweet. I want a 99. I love her. That one's already.

No, I know. In all seriousness, yeah. This actually does have me feeling a touch excited for the Hawks for the first time in a while. Yeah, of course, because you're a frontrunner fan. It's like 2021. You openly say you don't watch them. Yeah, of course not.

So, yeah, so. When the Knicks are in the trash can, you're sort of like, oh, you know, Knicks. No, no. I'm there, I'm there every single night watching MSG, pregame post game. When the Knicks went 13 and 78 or whatever. I was there. I was up, isn't that? I was watching those games.

I was there. I was there. Chris Asperzingis gets drafted. it. I mean, what are you talking about? I'm as die hard as it comes. I don't check in and out. I live and die. You might want to. That's why it means this much. I'm comfortable with my checking. Yeah, I think

it'd be probably healthier. I got the one team I'm diehard for and that's the dogs. Yeah, of course, because they're back-to-back champs. Easy to be die-hard for them. And it's been almost four years since that man. Yeah. Commiserations. Guys, we have a good show today. Yusuf Salal's going to join us in three minutes. He's fighting a New Yorker, who I do think actually cheers for the next because that's what New Yorkers are supposed to do

Al Jermaine Sterling. Yusuf's law is not from New York, but Aljo is. Big main event for him. He's won five in a row in the UFC. Eight in a row overall. You know about his story. He left the UFC,

want some fights on the regional scene, kickboxing, boxing, and now has won a ton of fights in a row. Five, to be exact, coming off that big one over Josh Emmett in October, prior to that Calvin Cater, prior to that Jack Shore.

I mean, these are some big-time names, Billy Q on there as well. And by first, far the biggest fight of his careers is this Saturday, April 25th against Al Jermaine Sterling. Sterling needs a big win as well. He wants to fight for the belt at 145. So this is big time stuff. I will just say this. Mystery guess, potentially, maybe not. I don't know after that. We'll skip by that one. And we'll let you know that Charles Dordane, who had the big win over Kyler Phillips this weekend. He's 3 in 0 since moving down to 135. Davy Grant prior to that, Victor Henry, prior to

that. So he's on a run. Got the Fight of the Night Award on Saturday in Winnipeg. He's going to join us. Air Jordane, they call him. Hanato Moikano, one of our favorites. We'll join us at 3 o'clock. Talk about his win over Chris Duncan, fighting at the apex, all that stuff and more, where he goes from here. And Jasmine?

Jazz Divisius. She'll join us at 3.30 to talk about her big win over the weekend, getting back on track. Her aspirations spoke about her yesterday with her teammate Mike Malott. You know, she had that loss to Mano Furo, which stopped a one, two, three, four, five-fight winning streak. She lost a Furo back in October, got back on track against Kareen Silva this weekend. And so we'll talk to Jasmine, one of our favorites. Yeah. At about 3.30.

There was some breaking news this morning, courtesy of our friends. friends over at the UFC, they are going, going back, back to Baku, Baku. I actually just thought of that on the spot, but I think it kind of flowed. June 27, to be exact, UFC Baku, Azerbaijan. So nice, they're going twice. What do we think? Main event for that? What are we thinking?

Is it possible the main event for that is Maghomad Anka-Live against Khalil Roundtree? Because I saw Magomed talking that talk earlier today to, Khalil Roundtree. Khalil, my man. I see you training a lot of wrestling with Hamzad, but in reality, you don't need it. All I would love to do with you

is 25 minutes of very high-level striking master class if you can last that long. Factor cap. If they book Magumain-Ankolaev versus Khalil Roundtree, will he stand with him

for 25 minutes? Factor cap. What do you guys say? I'd say he would. Is that the new segment on the show? Factor cap. Yeah, yeah.

I don't mind factor cap. Yeah, he'd do it. Magamette is a fantastic striker. I think that was the part that was kind of getting lost in the whole Alex Pereira fight, especially the first one. Magamette can strike, man. Like, there's no doubt about it. Look, he's not like a huge, like, finisher. He's not, he's not going to put people unconscious. But Magamette could strike.

I don't think he'd be out of his depths at all in a striking battle with Kalilio Ranchi. I think he'd welcome that. And if you're asking who's probably going to be there in the later rounds, who's got the better gas tank, it's going to be Magamette. So yeah, I think he'd do it, and I think he'd look pretty damn good. Who do we have on last week who said they wanted to fight? Oh, Carlos Sleberg, the champ. He's obviously going to be out for a minute. So credit to Maghomet for calling someone else out.

I thought maybe they would do Palo Costa versus him. There was some talk of Robert Wittaker versus him. Yeah. That's a damn, that's a tough fight for Apollo to hop right. He just had a pretty good fight. No, you look great. Yeah. He looked great.

But, yeah. Magamette's a tricky one. He's probably the guy that most in the division don't want to get. I could see Magamette-on-Kalai versus Roundtree being the main event for that card. It feels like an appropriate main event. Khalil was on the... The last one. The last year, too, yeah, against Jamal Hill.

Great fight. Seems like an appropriate level type of main event. Where's Jamal Hill been? Has he fought since then? No, he hasn't. It's crazy. Anyway... Speaking of the light heavyweight division, we did get a new video from Yeri Prochaska this morning,

the proud new father. Here's what he had to say. I'm going to read the subtitles for you all as he's doing this. All right, let's get this down in black and white. So no one comes up with any bullshit here because what I'm hearing all around is complete nonsense. In the fight, I lost my focus, focus on the goal, focus on the target, and that, especially the case when Alberg injured is like. But I can say for myself that I know from the moment that happened, To him, I wasn't at 100% anymore.

I was at maybe 40% to 50% of my performance, and I was just sparring and waiting for the referee to stop the fight at any moment. And that was probably one of the, it was a big mistake. It was a big mistake. Maybe one of the biggest. I don't want to beat myself up about it nonstop, because the most important thing is to always learn from it and maybe move forward, responding to all these so-called experts here,

Costa, and Kalev, and all the other experts, the guys, well, I blow you a kiss. So here he is responding. And obviously, Carl Seldberg probably had the harshest words for him, unhappy that he said that he, you know, showed mercy, went easy, lost focus, whatever the case is. I'm curious to see how Yeri responds from this. I think it's going to be a really interesting story to follow. How does he respond from this type of setback? And now he's a dad, and he's got newfound motivation, perspective. All these things are very important. So let's see. Big moment in his career coming up.

Obviously, he's going to take some time off, recover, all that and more. And then we'll see who he gets booked against. Thought may be Magamette as well, but probably the timing doesn't work out. And then where he goes from here. Okay. We'll get into more news and notes as the show rolls on, but let us talk to our next guest, or our first guest of the day, I should say.

Feels like it's been one long day. We were here quite late yesterday. This man is headlining his first UFC card this Saturday at the apex, April 25th, massive fight against the former UFC Bantamweight champion now fighting at Featherweight. He has won five fights in a row in the UFC eight fights overall. He is the Moroccan devil. he is Yusuf Zalal, kind enough to join us right here, and now ahead of that massive fight for him.

There he is. Hello, Yusuf. How are you, my man? What's on my man? How are you? I'm doing great. You're in great spirits. Always, man.

Come on. They can't change our spirit. I love it. So, I mean, great spirits before the biggest fight of your career. You would agree with that, right? Yeah. This is what we dreamed about. This is what we put into reality.

You know what I mean? So it's why would you not be happy? Like, everything is happening that you asked for. So I'm grateful. and I'm appreciative, and I can't wait to go out there and perform this Saturday. One thing to get a main event, that slot, so to speak, another to get one against the name like Aljo, a former champion who's been looking good at 145. When you got that call, when you got that offer, what was the reaction? So it was weird.

So I was supposed to fight him in Miami. They never offered it to me, but they offered it to him. And I don't know what happened between them and all that stuff. And then I think it was me and him with the only option in the whole division because everybody else who was either booked or injured. So I was like, okay.

And I kind of like thought about it because we were we trained together before and stuff like that. So I was like, oh yeah, we never probably not got to fight each other. I don't know if that's going to happen. And then out of nowhere, it's kind of like, you got a call from my manager said,

hey, main event in April. And I said, let's do it. I was like, I can't say no to that opportunity. It's an amazing opportunity. I mean, we're all friends and all that. But in the end of the day, it's like we texted each other, like, hey, we both have dreams to chase, but nothing but love. So it is what it is.

Would you consider him a friend? Yeah, I mean, I'm a friend with everybody. No, but you've trained with him, right? So it's a little bit different, right? Yeah, it's weird. It's definitely weird training. But obviously, again, like I said this in multiple interviews. In the end of the day, it's like, and when we go in there in that cage,

you're trying to try to hurt the guy. You're trying to kill the guy. So that changes a lot of things. You know, whatever happened in practice happens. So at the end of the day, it's the fight that's most important. When's the last time you trained with him? To be honest, it was like two weeks before he left Ortega in China. Well, that's not that long ago.

That's less than a year ago. It's not that long ago. And then the crazy part of before that, I think it was a year before that. And then before that was when I was an amateur, he came down to Denver and trained. He was fighting a Sansau, which is crazy to even think about. Yeah, it's like me and him trained together. I had the video of us fine together. I was like a baby bow whipping my ass in the ground.

He's just like, man handling me in the ground. And yeah, it was pretty crazy to kind of see how the world works, man. It's amazing. Who texted who first when all this went down? You to him or him to you? Aljo, I'll just texted me. Okay, interesting. And what did he say?

He said, hey, they offered me you and all this stuff. And so we got on a phone call. I called him and I was like, I was like, I don't know. They haven't offered me nothing. I was like, so they're talking to you, not me yet. So, and it was kind of like that conversation. And then we kind of like forgot about it. And then I think when I got offered the fight, like an hour later, he texted me and said,

hey, nothing but love. We all have dreams to chase. And that was it. Have you been impressed with him since moving up to 145? Is he doing as you thought he would do better, worse? How would you describe? Of course. the man is like I can't be mad or be unhappy for the guy.

He's chasing his dream. And obviously he's a legend in the 135 division. And obviously he's a legend in the 145 division. So for me, it's an honor to fight him. But also it's like it's a big challenge for me to test because we've been talking about being a world champion and I will be a world champion. And this is, I think, what is start. So I give him nothing but props for that.

And man, he's doing an amazing job. And I also think he's. promoting himself pretty pretty well, too, even with the smack talking and all that stuff. So he's doing, he's doing pretty good. He's smack talking you? No, no, no, not me. Okay, okay. I think the, what's his name?

The M.A. Junkie trying to mix it up a little bit. I said, they posted about when Max Holloway fought Oliveira, they posted Charles Olivera has six submissions. And then I got four. Nobody has five. And I was like, I want to beat that record or get to that record. It would be an honor. He's a legend. And then everybody went in and like MRA junkie said,

oh, Yusuf is going to say he'll submit you, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And then what's he call it? And he said, I think he said, oh, Yusel better be ready for 25 minutes. Oh, my. I'm a Gamrat. I'm a Gamrat style him or something like that.

I was like, okay, this is interesting. I like that. How do you think it plays out? I think it's very interesting. I want to see what, obviously, what style that he's bringing in and stuff like that. He's very awkward to deal with on the feet. You know what I mean? So I think once you figure out that puzzle, and that's the biggest thing.

I think that's the chest mass of that part that you have to figure out that puzzle that he has. And once you figure out, I think I'll find a lot of success and stuff like that. I really do believe this fight is not going five rounds. Interesting. What do you feel in your heart then? You feeling a sub or are you feeling a... Hey, I'm telling you, Earl, y'all can do any media y'all want, but... What I mean?

You just said it. You just said you don't think it's going five rounds. So the natural follow-up is you think it's a sub? No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I said, I said, I want to sub. I want to sub. I want to beat that record. I want to beat that Charles Oliver record and stuff like that.

Have you ever fought someone that you've trained with this many times before? No, never. Does that give you any extra sense of confidence? Like, you know some of the tendencies, you felt the guy, you've been in there with him. Does that give you something a little bit extra to lean on as you prepare for the fight? Yes and no. I think it's like sometimes in practice, you know, you're not giving it 100%. You're taking it easy. There's like ego sometimes, sometimes not ego. So it just depends. And I feel like I'm not looking past that or looking through that. You know what I mean? In the end of the day, it's another opponent. I take it as how I took it for the last 10 fights, eight fights that I've been going through. So I treated the same way. And obviously, it's a huge name and a huge fight. And this is the one that climbs me up. I remember after your last fight, you were talking about perhaps fighting Lerone Murphy, number one contender fight, all that and more. Obviously, he ended up fighting Mofsar, and we suspect that Mofsar is going to fight Alex Fulkanowski.

That makes all the sense in the world. Do you think, though, a win over Aljo puts you in that next spot, meaning Mofsar and Alex do their thing and then you'd be next or a number one contender type of fight afterwards? Where do you think this puts you with a win? Errol, you tell me, look, I finish Josh Emmett, the quickest out of everybody. Nobody ever finished him as quick as me. I go finish Al Jermaine and nobody ever done it to him, especially in a sub. And then you tell me who should be next in the top five. It's a great question.

I'm going to look real quickly here. So we're looking at the featherweight division. Mofstar are obviously number one. Diego has gotten his chances already. Lorone coming off a loss. Yair is number four. Aljo 5. John Silva's out there who talks a lot about wanting to be next.

Who Yaiir beat the last fight? Okay. You're asking me about who? No, but I'm saying, I was like, you're talking about the breaking down. I was like, okay, that one lost his fight. Yai'i, who he beat last fight? John Silva. John Silva?

No, yeah, yeah, yeah, Rodriguez. Yeah, didn't he fight John Silva? Or am I blind? No, no, no, no, no. Who do you fight? Who do you fight? Pit bull. Oh, right, right, right. Oh, gosh, that was that long ago, a year ago in April.

Yeah, see. On the John Silva fought on that card. I thought you know this. Bro, it's been a year. A lot of happened. This, this, all the things. That was last April of Miami card. You just had a long show, bro.

You just had a long show. I know, I know. That is true. That is true. Wait, so, yeah, year hasn't fought in over a year. But I'm not even making the case for him being next. I'm saying John Silva is making the case for him being next. For John Silva being next.

So that's what I'm saying. It's like I think I thought for sure they were going to do Yai Yir versus Gene Silva. I think that would be an insane fight. So I don't know. We'll see what's. But you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, was that that fight, that Lerone Murphy fight against Mofsar saying I'm going to sign the contract. I'm going to be next. Mofsar's boring.

We still don't know if Mofsar is actually getting it. I think he should. What happens if John Silva gets it after Mofsar? I don't think they will wait that long because think about a Volk, Mosear and Valk fight. And they have to wait a whole year, basically. or seven months or eight months just to get another title shot. So I don't think that's, I think they're going to make the division still move. So I think in the end of the day, it's like go out there, focus on Ajima and perform against

Al Jemain. I think that's going to set the pace for me and set everything for my future. Yeah. And you're number seven as of now, but Aljo's number five. You win this fight. You're definitely in the top five. Exactly. And that's the goal, man.

That's the goal just to break that top five and really start really get into people, recognizing who I am and really understanding what I bring to this division. Do you feel like you get that respect or you're still fighting for it? No, no, no. And that's how legends are made and this is how greatness creates. And I don't care where anybody is, say or any that you still believe in yourself. And I'll tell this to upcoming guys or upcoming kids in your life or anything. Fuck those guys.

Believe in yourself and trust yourself and keep, you working hard, control what you control. and where you can't control, let it happen. You know what I mean? And that's where, like, I'm at peace with that, and I can't wait to go out there and really go perform in April 25th. We haven't talked to you since the Volk fight in early February. Technically, it was February 1st there, January 31st here.

So my memory isn't completely shot. What did you think of his performance against Diego? It's amazing. It's a high IQ guy. And I feel like a lot of people don't understand that. Once you have a very good IQ in this, in this sport, it's, you can make fights a lot easier than you think. You know what I mean? And I feel like a lot of people kind of want to go into the like, listening to the media

or listening to the people what they say and stuff like that. It'd be like, oh, you need to go out there and bang and throw it down and all that. All he did is made it look like an easy five rounds. So I think that's like props to him, even at what it, at an age that he's at and stuff like that and it's still doing what he's doing. So shout out to him. I saw an interview that you did, I believe it was with full send MMA. And I was trying to get some clarity on this. You said, you've got receipts on Volk. Yeah.

So this is the idiots, the dumbasses. I love this on Fight Week. I love when people just love to talk smack. Like, oh, he doesn't even know you are, this and that. I was like, you guys know who I am. You are out here commentating on my story. So you guys know who I am. Okay.

But no, I said it's so disrespectful for me that he was talking about everybody else and ignoring me, even though I was in the time. 10. So he's talking about, oh, Al Jermain. He's talking about Al Jamein came out for loss. And then he beat Cater, whatever, I can't remember who he beat last fight. And then he came in. It was like, oh, we got Al Jermaine in the talk. We got this. We got that. Right after what I did to Josh Emmett. And then the last person to beat Josh Emmett fought for the belt, which is Yair. So I'm like, for me, it was like pretty disrespectful and understanding like all that stuff. And I was like, okay, you don't want to know my name. I'll make you know my name. And I can't

wait to do that in April 25th. Aljo Bito Ortega, by the way, the fight that you were just talking about. Exactly. I'm not that much of a casual. I'm not that much of a casual. You just mentioned that fight. Hey, then we all recalling each other out. That's crazy, bro.

It is crazy. It is crazy. But do you really feel like he was being disrespectful? Because I feel like of all the champions, Vogue is actually one of the more respect. He's the one campaigning for Mofsar to get his chance when Mofsar isn't the biggest name out there. No, why. You know why he's campaigning for that.

He's campaigning for all that because he knows when's the last time you see Vogue got held down? When's the last time? Yeah. Besides Islam. Islam. Yeah. So I'm like, that's a guy is like one of the pound-for-pound legends and then all this stuff. The only guy to hold him down.

And I was like, he knows these matches are better for him. It's like, these guys can only bring one thing or not two things or not three things. So I'm like, for me, I was like, I know I can bring in multiple dangers to his game. And plus I would have the speed against him for 100%. And so what are the receipts? The receipts is you're not bringing my name, especially after having the talk, the talk me and Al Jermain fight in. And then he just passed me and said, I'll Jem, okay, say less.

I thought maybe you had DM'd him or something. And he's like, yeah, I know who you are, but I don't want to say your name. He's a nice guy. People take it as receipts of my head. I take it as receipts of, hey, I remember that. I remember that. But you know, the idiot fans over here saying, oh, like, who the hell is this guy? I got receipts.

Volki's like, don't duck nobody. Don't do this. Nobody said nobody said about anybody ducking anybody. I just said, I'm feeling disrespected that I'm not bringing my name up there, especially after getting the fight against Al Jermain and he just did an interview not too long ago, knowing that I'm fighting Al Jermaine. And he just said Al Jemaine passed me, you know what I mean? Do you think he does not want to fight you at this stage, Alex Wokonovsky?

I really don't know because I heard a lot of talk of last fight he was going to try to retire if he lost or something like that I don't know what he is and obviously we've seen the interview he got a new contract and he's a lot happier

and all that stuff so I really don't know I think he all depends in who's his next fight and then how that fight goes and I think that's just kind of decide his future to be honest you mentioned the fans

you know sometimes the fans can help propel you into a title shot why do you why do you call them idiot fans Yusuf, that's not the best approach in your position. Listen to me, there's some, there's some great fans. Okay. There's some idiot fans.

For me, what blows my mind is, is we're in a society of people chasing their dreams, chasing all this, and they still hate. And they'll find a reason to hate you. They'll find a reason to do anything, which is insane to me. It's like, you can't be happy for a person that changing his life, changing his family's life and stuff like that. And they look for every little thing. You know what I mean?

It's like, oh, yeah, oh, you. Look at him. He's this. Who the hell is this guy? Who the hell is this that? I'm a guy who's chasing his goddamn dreams and keep smiling and keep chasing, again, keep chasing his dreams. And I'll keep standing on that and I'll keep doing that.

So to me, those guys are idiots. They can be fans and all that. I can beat the Dustin Poirier route. I can do 10 fights and fight for the bell or all that. It doesn't matter, man. We have a goal and we're going to achieve that goal, inshallah, and I can't wait. Do you think you get to achieve that goal by the end of this year? What are you feeling?

That's my goal, man. goal, my words this year is dominate, and my plan is to dominate in 2026. And if it's not, we're going to, we'll get it in 2027. Man, I saw your testosterone levels. You're ready to go. What's going on with these testosterone levels? I feel, tell me about these. I know, I know, I know this is going to come up to. You did? So I knew it. I knew it. So look, so after the Josh Miff fight, all I did was literally travel and eat. I barely. trained a little bit. Like, I barely trained a little bit. And, and I was just like, I came back and I was like, coach. So coach was like, bro, I haven't trained in a long time. But I got so much

built up disaster right now, bro. And I was, I couldn't sleep. I had a hard time sleeping. And I literally was chat deep between you up at 3 a.m. And I was like, man, what kind of test should I get to kind of see what, what's that kind of like sleep? I'm like having a hard time sleeping. And then it was like, oh, get a cortisol test and like all this other test. So I went in and I, and I went in. I did it and I booked it. And then I was like, all right, cool. I went in and I was like, 1100. I was like, what the hell is 1100?

I was like, the range was like six, I think it was like 400 to a thousand for my age. So I was like, oh, okay, cool. I was like, so I was like above it by nine or something like that. So I was like, all right. But hey man, that's a young African kid that's been hungry. And that's all real, right? No synthetic, no TRT or anything like that. Hey, oh, come on, but then we get tested over here.

I know, I know, but we know we were used to these fighters with the high testosterone levels coming in. No, no, no, no, no, no. I made the joke. I made the joke. I was like, bro, the Yusada looks at me. They're like, he needs to get on something. That's what it needs to. Look at me and fucking Al Jaze me. They put us together.

Al Jeteran is like all this and that. And then you got me like this, like little of this. I was like, what the hell is this, bro? Yo, I did see Aljo. I saw that picture of him, someone posted. You saw that. He is shredded. Yeah, I mean, yeah, bro, like black don't crack, I guess, right?

as impressive for someone his age, right? I mean, how am... I know. What is he right now? Well, let me see, let me see. You know how old he is? 36. Is he 36?

You say you're 29. He's... Yeah, 36. 35, 36. 36, 37 in July. Man, when he looks better than me, he's crazy, right? Impressive. Impressive.

See, Ariel, I told you. I told you. You tired of look at me, but like, he needs to get on something. That's for sure. Not if they test your testosterone there. What about those Nike's you got? I saw those Jordans. Who made those for you?

So it was a fan. Wow. I made, uh, yeah, bro, it was crazy. So, uh, I did a, she's, I did a podcast with her a while back, Diana and shout out to her, but she, she, she hit me up and she was like, hey, uh, can I make a, like, can I give you a gift? It's a custom shoes. And I say, yeah, that's awesome, man.

Sure. Yeah, send it to me. And then sure enough, send it to me. I opened it, man. It was, it was one of the coolest gifts to have her guy. It was pretty, it's pretty dope. Just like that. Just out of the kindness of her heart.

See? Those are the people. They want to see people happy. They want to see people succeed. They see one of people enjoy. And this is the problem. I feel like I'm having such a hard time with sometimes. I'm like, I love the fans.

And I also hate the fans. And you know that about me too. Like, after the Cater fight, even though, by the way, Cato was trying to fight me at the P.I. By the way, that was hilarious. What do you mean? Here we go. I got a story for you.

This is you're going to love this. But I go in a P.I. And it was that fight when he's boy, his teammate for, uh, what's his name? The 35er.

Rob Fon. Rob Fon. Yeah, yeah, Rob Fon. Okay. He was there and he walked by and he goes to the locker room and I said, what's up?

And then, uh, he came out like all hot. He's like, yeah, you think I cheated. I said, I was like,

I felt what I felt. It's, it is what it is. It's like, I don't know what to tell you. Brother, he's like, oh,

I never felt this and that. Like he showed up like, like walk at me. Like, not, I told him, I was like, if you walked up to me and said, hey, man, nothing but respect. You won fair and square. I just wanted to say, I never cheated my career and all that.

That would have been a whole different story. You don't just walk up to me and trying to eyeball me and be like, hey, you call me a cheater? Like, you're trying to fight me? And I was like, and it turned out to like a bunch of conversation. And I was like, bro, you're like, what are you trying to fight upstairs? We can go bang it out right now if you want to and stuff like that. And you kind of got into like, oh, you need to work on your wrestling, this and that. And I was like, brother, look at your nose.

You need to work on your nose. You need to work on your striking. Like, God damn. Like, 20% like, what do he land? 20-something percent on me. I was like, brother, you need to work on getting more, not in the oxygen, hand the human face.

I don't know what she's doing, brother. Was there anyone in between you guys or was just you two? Oh, yeah. It was my team, his team. Oh, gosh. And then his little ass coach, bro, trying to say something, bro. I was like, shut the hell up, bro.

It's me and him. Not between you. Like, sit on the side, bro. Sit on the side. And then how did it end? It just ended like we just walked away. I was like, bro, he's like, oh, you're this, your dad. I was like, okay, bro, do whatever you need to do, bro.

Like, I'm past you, bro. You're done. You're old and I'm done. I was like, I don't know what to tell you. Damn. And that was when? That fight was last year, February of last year. So this was afterwards, obviously, like mid-year.

This fight this year. It was this year. Oh, earlier this year. Okay, okay. Yeah. At the PI. I'm actually surprised that more of that doesn't happen at the PI because all of you guys are just in there.

There's all these different persons. Oh, bro, that's why I go to Vegas, fight week or fight and just go to the Piaf for recovery and get the hell out of there, man. There's like too many fighters, too many, like anything happens, everybody will find about it. You know, there's nothing about it private. You know what I mean? I was like, let me live my life a little bit private, you know? No, no, I feel you. I don't even know how we got down the Calvin Cater Road.

How did that even come up? Oh, because of the, you say, like, the crowd, I love the crowd. I love the fans. You know, that's what I do with people, all that. You know, I'm like, I apologize for that. I even apologize after being booed and all that because I said, al-h-h-a-h-h-a-h, which is crazy to me. It's like, whatever, it's like they hate and now bringing religion into this. And then I'm like, I'm still being me and apologizing and still smiling and still moving on.

You know what I mean? The end of the day, it's like, that's my goal to the guys that have the insecurity and the fear of not being confident and fear not being out there and saying it out there and believing in yourself. And that's my goal. And I will keep doing that until I get to that world title. And I can't wait to get that world title. I will be a world champion. And I'll prove it to everybody, to their face. And I love that reaction.

Everybody's reaction. Wow, YouTube's actually pretty good. Wow. Holy shit. Look, I mean, I think we're here. Like, we think you're very good. I mean, I think that you are deserving of this spot. This is a massive opportunity for you.

Do you like the fact that it's at the apex? Maybe no fans there, no one to bother you, no one to boo? Or would you rather it be in a big? I don't know, Ariel. Last time I was in the apex, what is it? It was a cavalcator. I got booed the most. At the apex.

That's crazy to get booed at the apex. Because this is the crazy party. I think his family was there, right? Yeah, his whole family. I think it was his wife or something like just screaming. And I said, okay, cool, awesome. And then just like kind of went off and still went to the back. And I wanted to take a picture with him.

And I told for us, I was like, hey, he's a legend. I would love to take a picture with him and stuff like that. And that ended up did not happen in and stuff like that. And the end of the day, it's like, you know, it is what it is. I would still love to take a picture with him and have that as a memory in my lifetime. And, hey, it is what it is. I saw you at MSG in November with my boy, Bronsolino, Action Bronson, Ban Ban Ban Baklava. Hey, are you a fan?

Bro, I want to do, I want to go to cooking stuff with him. Like, I don't think, I don't think you know since I was a kid until this day. Like, I love cooking. I don't know how much you think. I love cooking, but I love watching, like watching videos that they do. Like, Bam Bam was like, we'll go out, taste street food, like, talk to smack, talk all that stuff. It was dope, bro.

I would love to get a chance. And you know, it was a proud moment, actually, that day. Like, actually, I was so, so happy and so super proud of all the hard work. Because I walked in and Dustin Porier was like, man, I'm a big fan of you and stuff like that. Like, that should touch my heart, bro. Like, I love watching him and he's amazing to see that. And then Bam Bam said the same thing. He's like, I'm a big fan of yours.

And he told his boys, like, he's a killer and stuff like that. That meant a lot to me, man. So just to kind of see that, he was like, wow. Like, you know, when a kid just see something, he's like, wow, that was me, man. I was just like, wow. Yo, I'm seeing you get a lot of love from people. I saw you with action. I saw you with Dustin Porier, Draymond Green, and Jimmy Butler.

Are they showing you? Look at the boys here. Yeah, so this is hilarious. So I walked in in the cage and I see them. And it was the same thing. I was like, holy shit. That's Jimmy Butler and I was a turn my greed. I was like, holy shit, right in front of me.

And right after the fight, I walked out to him. I was like, in the cage. I was like, yo, we got to take a picture, please. Let's do it. He's like, hell yeah. And they're like, that dabbed me up and stuff like that. It was a cool moment, man. Just to see that fruition, it was one of the greatest feelings I experienced that day.

Stars are watching you. A star as well. Steve Harvey, a fan, right? Steve Harvey a fan? Another one. He walked up to me. He was like, he told his son, he was like, yo, this man is a problem. He's a killer.

He's a killer. And I said, what? I was like, shot the fuck up. I was like, bro, I couldn't, like, I couldn't act like this. I got to like try to act like all professional. But I was, yeah, bro, I was trying to lose my shit. Like deep inside, bro. I was like, what the fuck am I watching right now?

Like, this is like, like, this is the only thing. And this is me, man. I'm just me and me, you know, I don't, I don't act like, oh, like, yeah, it was cool, taking a picture. But it was fucking amazing. And I was like, I was having a blast. I was living my life, man. I was, I was a kid.

And I'm still living my life. And al-Ham-Du-Lah, that's why I say, al-Ham-Dulah, man. I love the enthusiasm. Kailornavus as well? Kailornavus as well, goalkeeper. Golly, you bet Kailanavis. Former Nottigua, shout out. Yeah, he told me I was, I was there with him.

And he loved my energy. He loved my vibes. And like, we kind of clicked and stuff like that. He's like, if you ever come into Costa Rica or Mexico, let me know and stuff like that. And, man, we had a blast. And he's an amazing guy, by the way. He's so nice and like, you cannot even tell. I was like, I was like, what?

This is, this is what? This is crazy. And Max Holloway, the same thing. Max Holloway was cool as hell. And he asked me, it was like, when are you fighting next and stuff like that? It was pretty cool, man. Just like I said, it was a grateful moment to appreciate a lot of things. And that's my being my past problem is appreciation of a lot of things.

And I feel like just seeing that. And that means you put in all your work and like everything and you still enjoying your life. And I pursue everybody to chase the same thing. Like the story tells itself, Errol. It's like I've been cut out of the UFC and then just to come back and to even have people like that recognizing me and stuff like that, it's amazing, man. I'm super, super grateful for that. Even the Falcon in the UAE knew you. Hey, that was cool.

Yeah, look at this guy. I remember going in there and I was like, I had a bad taste in my mouth on that, on Abu Dhabi. That was when I fought I, it was a weird, crazy, like, just in my head. Like, I was in my head a lot when I landed. But obviously, after a great win, like Josh Hemman, I went in there. And it was amazing just to kind of enjoy it, especially and, like, trying to clear that memory off and really build a new memory. So that was, that was pretty awesome. Well, I want to let everyone know that you're putting up some great stuff on YouTube in the, in the buildup for that fight.

So go check it out. Go check out Yusuf's YouTube page. the road to UFC fight night. There it is. See, Ariel, that's not bad. That's not bad. He needs, like, we can get him on little. We can get him a little after he retires.

We can get him a little. He'd think he would be like Al Jemaine, maybe, right? Yeah, no, this guy, this guy looks great. You look fantastic. I bet your testosterone in that picture was like 1,200. You look amazing. You look amazing, man. I love the enthusiasm.

I love how excited you are. I wish you nothing but the best this weekend. Good luck, it's Aljo. Massive opportunity. There it is. See, look at the picture, Aljo. Look, look at the picture of me. Look at you.

He's looking at you side-eyed, huh? And I'm looking at the camera, though. Like, what's going on over here? Why is he looking at me like that, you know? It's pretty damn cool to have a poster against Al Jermaine Sterling, though. So I hope you... I know, I know.

I can't wait. That's like the last thing. It was like, this is how crazy it is. Again, it's like just a kid. Like, all the dreams that I dreamed about it. Seeing the promo on TV after when the Canada card was on, man, that, like, made me appreciate my life a lot even more and stuff like that.

And like, when they post, like, on Fight Week, like the promos and all that, man, I've been waiting for so long, Gary. Oh, I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for that. And the poster, I said it in 2025 in Canada, I said, after Jack Shore, I said, I will headline an apex card and look at where we're at now. And I can't wait to go out there Saturday night and change my life and change my family's life. Amazing, man. Well, I'm very happy for you and wish you nothing but the best on Saturday. Good luck, Yusuf.

Thank you, my man. I appreciate you. Thank you, guys. All the best. There he is. Yusuf Salal, the Moroccan devil with the opportunity of a lifetime, getting a chance to fight against the one and only. Al Jermain Sterling, the former champion at 135 pounds, now a contender at 145. A man who thinks that he should be fighting for a title at 145 in the not too distant future. Has the win over Brian Ortega did lose to Mofsar, so obviously he'd have to be behind him, does have a win over Calvin Cater as well. John Silva out there. He stumped me with that Ye-Year one, and I'm going to lament that one for a long time because I pride myself on knowing that stuff. But that was a year ago. Yeah, Year hasn't fought in a year. Was he booked against someone and pulled out?

Because it just feels, right, no, yeah, year. Actually, I don't think he was. Now that I think of it, is he got on topology to have the cancellations. Yeah, hasn't fought since April 12, 2025, almost exactly one year ago, a little over a year ago. Where's Year at? or as Chale would call him Yarrear. Where's he at? Yo, Yusuf Salal against

John Silva would be some kind of intensity, right? That would be incredible. Okay, my friends, still to come, we do have back into the show Jasmine Jazzdivisius, prior to that, Hanato Moikano, and prior to that,

Charles Jordane, I do have some potential good news for all of you. Yes. I know I told you I would tell you about that. We do have a late addition to the program. Now, I did say to the crew last week, never again. I'm never again promoting that this guy is coming on.

I'm just going to have him on and you're all going to enjoy it, but I can't put myself through it because sometimes he shows up and sometimes he doesn't. Not to say that I don't want to have him on, it just gives me a lot of anxiety. You may recall last week on the show, we did promote that Darren Till was going to join us, And then we come to find out he's in Thailand sleeping while we're live on the show. We're live. We're not like a lot of these other Rinky Dink shows that do, you know, pre-tape and live to tape. No, no, no, we're live live.

It's currently 149 p.m. Eastern Time 649 in the UK. And so, in a matter of seconds, you guys tell me when we are going to be joined by the newest edition of the bare-knuckle fighting championship family, the one and only, the guerrilla. Is he actually there? Let me stand up. Is he there? Ah, you know yourself. He's actually here. You're some can of piss, Darren, Till.

I mean, here you are. Welcome back, my friend. There he is. How are you? You're okay. Yeah, I'm okay. How are you? It's nice to see you.

Sorry, sorry for the disappearance. You hurt my heart. You hurt my, there we are, scrambling. I told the guys in the back, never again. I will never promote Darren coming on. I would love to have them on, but I can't go through that. So that's why, to the public on the YouTube channel, I couldn't put your name on there because I didn't want to go through that.

I didn't want to disappoint the people. You're used to disappointing the people. Darren, I actually updated my will after that appearance, and I put in there when it's my time to die and be put six feet under. I want you to be one of the pulp errors so you can let me down one last time before it's time to say goodbye. You're going to be one of those guys. Sorry, but I did apologize. I did apologize. Was that you who wrote that apology?

because it was so well written. That was me? It was you? Come on, that was me. Come on, mate. You know, we've had a few ups and downs in our career, haven't we? We've always got through it. But I never hold a grudge.

I never hold a grudge. Boy, what you do, do, you're a passive, you're passive, you're passive, aggressive, you like to say under comments. That's what you like to do. Never, never. Now you're such a big boxing star. You talk to all the other boxing YouTube channels. You forgot about the people who were there when you were just on the comment.

Ariel, I don't talk to no one. I don't go to any. events. I don't see anyone. I'm like the biggest recluse on earth. I don't go anywhere. I have to be forced to do stuff. Trust me, I know. So... How are you?

I'm good. We're just in there. We're actually in Cyprus right now. We're second phase of camp. We're out here with the team. The guy owns a resort here, a big, big boxing MMA fan. So we've put us up in the gym and on his resort. So yeah, we're just six weeks, six weeks away.

me, so we're good, we're healthy, fit. Why Cyprus, though, to finish the camp? Is it just because you got the spot or is it because you like it there? Why there? Yeah, do you know, we bring it and ask to come here for a while. My coach knows it's got the contacts out here, and he was like, you know, why don't we just try it and see if we like it? It's very quiet, it's very peaceful.

It's not, we're actually in the mountains, high up in the mountains, there's actually not a lot happening. So it's probably the best, it's the best way to do camp in it, no distractions and just full, full, because, you know, I've got big, big task ahead in this bernacle to beat them all now. Okay, okay. So we have a lot to discuss with these.

There's a lot of news that has happened in your life. We found out two weeks ago. You left Misfits and you signed with BKFC. Tell us what happened. First, there's the announcement. Why did you leave Misfits? You were on a role with them. It seemed like you became the face of Misfits in many respects.

And then you left. Why? There was no bad blood, Ariel, as I said. even when I left the UFC, never bad blood with me. I can always figure things out. So I put it down to a few things. Obviously, I was living in Dubai, and my next match for misfits was scheduled to be in Qatar,

and we were already struggling with, like, opponents and stuff like that inside the Misfits roster. Like, no one really wants to fight, and they would even offer on people, like, more money to fight, and people would say, yeah, and then say no. Like, for me, I just, yeah, to anyone, don't really care about it. So that got cancelled And then they couldn't put another show on

For a few months after that And I was sort of like, look guys You know, I feel like I'm really in my prime years now I'm proper fit, healthy and strong I need to fight and like Do you mind if like I go elsewhere And just try my hand And I'll come back to you and stuff like that

And he was just like that And we treat his family in no problem at all All the best luck And we'll see you soon Is it a situation where if you box again It has to be with them Or are you free and clear from them? No, I'm free and clear, but obviously, if I was going back to boxing, which I will,

because I really want to win a world, I want to win a world title in boxing if I can. You know, I do believe I can, and my skills are getting better each time, and getting, you know, I'm 33. I do feel like all me train and everything now is just in the perfect place for me, with my coaching stuff. So I would give them probably the first offer on the table, just out of respect, Ariel, do you know what I mean? Sure. Okay, and so you part ways with them respectfully,

all good, no bad blood. Why bare knuckle? Because it seemed like for the longest time there was some back and forth between you guys, but it was never going to happen. Why bare knuckle and how did it happen? Do you know what? I have to just say that the reason

bare knuckle happened is because I couldn't turn down the offer. It was irrefusible. So I just, the offer got laid to me. And you know what? I'm like here, just sat on the dotted line. Don't really, come on, let's fight. The art of fighting is,

It doesn't matter who you fight. It just seemed... It excited me. It got my juices flowing. It's tough, tough old sport from what I've been watching over there. It is tough like these guys. They're not like your traditional martial artists and stuff like that. They're all just the very gritty, hard punching guys.

So you can't come in here with... Like, you've got to come in here with a different type of mentality, which we will be doing. And obviously, you know, it might maybe make the petty fights, but, you know, he's gone off running. to another organization again. Little Shithouse. Yeah, it sounds like

he's no longer tied to them. We had him in studio last week and it sounds like initially we thought, oh wow, you're under the same roof again. This is going to happen but now it sounds like he's not with them anymore.

Little Shithouse. Little Shet House. But you don't think he left because you came. That's what it looks like, don't it? What do you think? I think that was a big offer

to fight Nate Diaz, right? Everyone would take that on Netflix. Just all the Mongols fighting each other in it early, honestly. My eyes hate when I watch them all fight. It's swear, it's just the gang of Mongols

it's fighting each other all 50 broken, bone, body, can't throw a proper job. It's just the gang of mongolids fighting each other. It really is. Specifically, who are you talking about there? All of them, just all these guys who've left the UFC.

I'm the only guy that's left the UFC who's just kept its state, like getting better each fight, really took on the tradition of boxing probably feel like I'm in my best years now these all just look like worn out mongoloids Nate Perry Masadal's just some big fat tally tubby

do you know what I'm saying it's fucking disgraceful it's even it's even disgraceful to look at DC on the commentary one of the greatest UFC fighters ever just looks like a big jack of potato but he's not a monologue because he'd fucking rip me head off so I've got to be careful what I say about him

you don't think Perry has sort of reinvented himself outside of the UFC with the wins and bare knuckle Yeah, he's an absolute beast area But doesn't mean he's not a mongoloid He blocks punches with his face You know what I mean? He's tailor made for bare knuckle any obviously But how many of them hits can you take area

Where it doesn't start doing severe damage You know It's the mongoloid group That's what we need to tag them all as, the mongoloid group Part of the reason why you signed with bare knuckle Was it to get that fight I mean obviously a thought of it initially straight away Yeah

Do you know what? I just see big challenges in the bare knuckle. I've seen a few guys already calling me out and when I'm looked at them fighting. They're all tasty, tasty guys. So that gives me, you know, I don't like to shy away from battles. So, yeah, we'll see how we get on.

I think I'm going to do really well, Ariel. I hit it extremely hard, don't it? I'm big and strong. I'm fast. I think I'm faster than sharper than them, but that's not really the name of the game with bear knuckle. You know, you've got to have that grittiness as well.

I think that's a key factor in bare knuckle. Have you come around to the actual idea of bare knuckle? Because my understanding, my feeling, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you didn't love the idea of bare knuckles fighting. Yeah, I didn't. I still don't. I don't really want my face getting smashed up. I'm 33.

I'm not the ugliest chap out there. I'm a head or some. It's going to be one of them jobs at Bernankel. Get in, get the belt, get out unless they offer me extreme amount of more money. Because you can't be doing 10 fights in this, Bearnuckle. You know what I mean? You'd be walking around with half your face hanging off, you know what I mean? And as I said, you'd be walking around part of the Mongoloid gang.

How many fights did you sign with them for? Three, three-fight multi-deal. Massive. Massive. Massive money most of your career so far? Massive, Ariel, like massive. Any NFTs attached to the deal, Bitcoin, NFT, and you stuff like that. Glad you said that, Ariel, because to my...

More there. Well, Ochbet, my online casino, yeah, we go live. Oh. Yeah, we go live. We've built one of the biggest platforms in the casino online gaming. Yeah, we've spent millions developing it. It's going to be absolutely fantastic, and it's just going to mean more of that. And you're all not getting no sponsors out of it.

Okay. Pages on it from the start. No problem. No problem. I do wish you guys the best, and I hope it goes well. Are you still selling, you know, the giraffes having a pizza? party and all that stuff. Look, we all got conned, didn't me, but I made a lot of money out of the area.

So I did the conning. I conned everyone else. Golly. Okay. And so what about you and David Feldman? How are you guys? David's always been sad with me. With David, I think he has high ambitions and he's well-driven.

So obviously, we talk for a while, and obviously, you know, why I'm here, everything has to be correct with me. So, you know, speak to my manager and Miss Fitzer can't go against them. right now but obviously when the opportunity arose said look look guy there's an opportunity yeah like what you know and he was just straight on it i see i see david is one of them he's a well-driven guy high ambitions and stuff like that and uh yeah he has big hopes for it and stuff like that so yeah like david as a man the organization seems cool uh yeah what about connor have you talked to him since signing no my friend was actually in ireland with connor about two weeks ago and connor's

mentioned to my friends said, oh, I think Darren's going to sign us. I don't know if he's signed on the dotted line, yeah, but I think he's going to. So, another, just another name. And Conner's probably never going to fight in the Bernouca, he doesn't need to, but it's, you know, me and Connor are names next to each other that's good, and, you know,

we can bully Mike Perry together, you know, the Mongoloid. By the way, what weight are you fighting at? 86 kilo. 86 kilo? Because I was told 185 pounds, but I don't know what, 86. Yeah.

Is that 86 kilo to pounds? 189. About four pounds. No, it's not 189, is it? No, is it? That's what it says, yeah. Yeah, in Google thing. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I just make, I make the weight up on that, you know, when you're like me and con and stuff like that, you just decide what you're going to do, in it. Sure. Are you the main event for this card? You're fighting in Maine. I'm actually not. Call main event.

What the hell? How are you not the main event? Who's bigger than you? I'm not that guy. anymore earlier? You remember the COVID times when I was main event of Yaz Island? I'm just not that guy anymore. I've got to build myself back up, haven't I, son? Come. Who is the main event? Do you know? No, I haven't paid a blind bit of attention. No, I do know, yeah. It's one of the guys

who's coming to training and stuff. He's a good guy. But yeah, let him have the main events. I don't mind being called main events. You've got to build yourself back up. I don't want to will say, look, let me just say the truth. I'm in a fucking great stage in my career, you know, mate, honestly. I'm only doing that. fresh, healthy, got an absolute solid coach behind me who knows the ins and outs is just moulding me into this fucking I'm really excited to what I'm going to do in bare-knuckle and go back to boxing and I've been getting better

each camp each day. I haven't took her as like, oh let's just make some fast money I always treat it, you know. Me UFC crutch cut short, one of Ariel and I was only cut short to myself. I was my own worst enemy, you know, so I'm fresh I'm not like the Mongolui gang. Did you, okay, so did you get your opponent yet?

Because when it was announced, there was no opponent. Do you even know who you're fighting? No, I think we're going to announce, obviously I can't announce it to you, Ada, but I think we're going to announce it in the neck. Well, why not? Yeah, why not? We broke the news of your signing, so it's the same place. Okay, then, Adam Chalmers.

Oh, Jordy Shore? Yeah, yeah. Wow. That's fun. Yeah. I don't know if I should have done. Not then. Yeah.

The gorilla doesn't care. You don't care what people think. You're worried now. Yeah, a little bit. Frank, hit him with the We Don't Care. We don't care. Yeah. And you know, Darren, when people come on this show and talk shit about you, you know what we say to them?

We don't care. I keep my fucking name out your mouth? That's what we say to them. Have I just like a meme on Ariel's show, am I? Yes, we've got a whole treasure trove of them. Yeah, you couldn't fast. someone who gives less of less of fucks than me. As you well know, I don't turn up for your things.

You think I'm going to fucking care about it. You're the biggest out there, mate. Yeah, well, you just got really worried about announcing Aaron Chalmers. I never seen you so scared. Let's see. The phone's probably buzzing now, isn't it? No, don't worry about it. Okay, that's a fun one.

Do you have an issue with him, Jordy Shorestar, former Beltor fighter? No. Aaron, I know, what I've known of Aaron. He's trained my tie all his life. I think he was in Camp Whittley on Edwards and that for a few years. He obviously has been a big avid trainer all his life. He's had a few bare knuckles.

He can't fight from what I see. He can fight. You know, I think he's obviously probably looked up to me when he's trained and stuff like that. So he obviously has a go with Freud, maybe, other than that, didn't he? So he's obviously looking forward to the challenge. You know, big challenge for him. But all the best, whatever, any of them?

Yeah, I didn't ever use to watch the Jordy show. caught the, I think I watched it when I was a young with my mother, the first thing, and I was like, ah, these are a bunch of wildcats. So, but I think he's past all that. He's grown up now, and he? So when you left Misfits and you were out there, a free man, did you talk to the, the matchrooms of the world, the Eddie Hearns, the Queensberries, the Frank Warrens, the Ben Shulums, about boxing?

Do you know what? I've spoke to Ben Shalong in Dubai. I've spoke to, I think I've spoke to Eddie once or twice. Frank no, I don't think Frank's interested in me. No, sorry, Frank wasn't interested in putting the carfrock fight on, which is fair enough, each to run. But as I said, Ariel, look, if I can get myself a year out of this bernacle, and as I said, if they don't come back with a bruntlethoff,

I don't want to spend, I'm not trying to, like, I just don't want to do 10-20 fights in the bernacle and fuck myself up. But I really want to go, and my manager believes as well, when they want to go, and say I'm in a world boxing title and get a good route to do that. I'm not trying to call out all giopatias and stuff like that because I know, I know, I know my level.

I know my ceiling with that, but there's potential there. Did you talk to Eddie? Did you reach out to anyone at Matrim? Me and Eddie don't really chat. I sort of just slag Eddie on Twitter, don't I? You don't like Eddie? I don't mind Eddie. There's no way I can sit here and say I don't like him

because I don't know him personally. Look, I can't say badly about Eddie. He's always been very calm, respectful to me, even though I've slag them. I think as a promoter, he's really good. I do think he promotes his fight as well and stuff like that. But to me,

this isn't bad, but I just put all promoters in the same category, really, Ariel. Like, just for me, it does what it says on the tin, you know, you know.

What do you make of this simmering feud between him and Dana? It's really evolved since the last time we spoke. Yeah, again, I don't look into it, but if I ever do, I think,

I don't want to I don't want to slag Dana on here because I do like Dana but I just think Dana's ego getting a little bit too much out of control like I think he's totally switched off

from the UFC I'm not I don't even watch the UFC no more here I couldn't tell you half the people who fight on it the events just aren't juicy no more

I think they've got very few stars left and I'm pissed off to be honest with like the media side of things like every time Dana's in a scrum

it's like it's like these reporters just scared to say the real thing. And it's like, when they do ask questions, Dana's all sort of like, who gives us shit? We give a shit.

I give us a shit, so give us a fucking answer. Boldy. And get your ego, like, take your ego away. I'm sorry to slag him because I'll go on one now, but I give a shit,

what do you mean? Who gives a shit? We give a shit, so give us some fucking answers. What are you want about? Who gives a shit? It just annoys me. It's just too much ego.

It's like, as a fighter sometimes you have to fight his friend talking shit to you. But you can't, Why are you talking? You'll get your jaw snapped. The fighters should be fight.

It's like the managers when they're arguing. Have you seen the state of half of these managers? They're all fat, fucking... They all just look like potatoes, and they're all arguing like they're about that life. You just do your jobs and sign contracts, you fucking morons. Let the fighters fight. It pisses me off, and I see them on Twitter earlier.

I can't... I don't go on Twitter no much, no more area. You probably say I don't use it much, because I can't, because I'll end up just going after everyone because they all piss me off. They all just thought... It's mad. It's just all too much ego.

The fighters are the only ones that should be having back and forth. Why are managers, why are managers you fucking look like fucking spastics arguing on Twitter? And, you know, it's just pathetic.

And then Eddie and Dana are talking about this biggest fight. You're about 50. You're about 50. It's not a big fight. For starters, you just can't fight. And for two. What do you mean, this big fight?

You're just a pair of nuntie ego-cunt-cunt-egotistical cunts. It winds me up here. I can't get onto it because I just go off I don't even think about it because it just lose my mind. Sorry. No, no, no apology necessary. Welcome back, Darren. We miss this version of you because you're speaking my language.

I'm the one who's been saying this for quite some time about Dana that he doesn't have the same zest and passion for the UFC. What drew us to the UFC and to Dana 10, 15 years ago was him sitting there with fire coming out of his mouth about the product. He sits and says, who cares? He's talking to us, the fans, the customers.

When have you seen the UFC? When did you do them promos before it. Now where are you waiting in the arena and I come up on the screen and it's like Darren, so how's your fight

going to go tonight? It's like, there's airy music behind it. It's like, I'm going to kill this guy. Bub, blah, bab, bab,

bum, and then it goes to that guy. He's going to kill me and then we both walk out. Where's all the promos gone? The Holly Home verse Ronda Razi where they had Ludovico,

the classic music behind it and we watched Ronda Razi growing Judeo, loose the Olympia. We watched Holly Home. Where's the John Jones? Daniel called me one go with Jose, where it's fighting demons.

Where have they gone? Because I, you know what? I'm running on the treadmill and I need a bit of motivation. I watch that shit, and then I play my own promos. I think when me and Perry fight in the burn knuckle, I'm going to sit down with David and Connor, I'm going to go, right, we're doing a promo to end all promos. Take the money

out of my paycheck just to do the promo. Where's all that gone? Where's the Joe Zayardo Connor McGregor promo gone? Where's it all gone? And you sat there going, who gives a shit? But we give a shit, you fat hair up him, we give the shit. You,

don't start me, Aero, please. No, no, but look, now we get AI promos. Now we get White House card

and these guys are looking like robots. Hey, Ariel, someone asked chat GBT to the day.

I need my car washing. It's 100 meters from here. Should I walk or take the car? Chat GBT BT responded,

you should walk. Yeah, exactly. Why we, AI is a load of shit. It's just bullshit.

I don't know. I just off on one am I? I saw you tweeting about Josh Hokit so you were watching a couple weeks ago there you are that Josh Hokit guy

may have acted like a fool before his fight No I didn't say you'll watch the highlights seeing that he's done really well for all the shit so I'm just doing

get splattered so I gave him his props I don't like that kind of camaraderie whatever you call it like the way he was carrying on but he still

like you know what I mean you can whatever I just think it's gone to shit there I think the UFC's gone to shit a bit

I'm not happy with it It feels soulless, right Darren? It just, there's not an air There's just not on there Like, I just remember Of the times when, you know, even when I was coming up in There was just so, I'm sorry to say, Ariel, like, the last London event

was just fucking disastrous. Like, the London events When Bish being forth, mate, I got knocked out again London But the atmosphere for that was electric Like, bar me getting knocked out, the atmosphere was elected The fight was even good with Mazda.

Like, it ain't, got that no more. It just hasn't got that. Do you know what I mean? There's no life in it. That's why the bare knuckles fucking actually is. I know it's not up there with DFC, but fuck me, there's some exciting thing it. And even Malchie's dirty boxing, I've been watching

that a lot. That's really exciting. But it means more when the promoters behind it and his passion. You know, obviously I have my own promotion now, myself, Ariel. Now, obviously, I'm not the guy who does all the day to days, but my partner is so passionate. Like, I can

feel a passion using out of him and he even says to me he's like oh this game can be disheartening him like lad you've got lots

to learn because everyone's a snake everyone's a cunt like please and he'll say to me like he's all right and I go no he's a cunt

he's an even bigger cunt obviously that's the game but Dana's just lost his mojo man and son and Connor Ben that fight with me just just disasters

I don't know maybe Dana just needs to stop it all now maybe his other's day and this is me not I'm slagging him but I'm slagin him to his face because he sees it.

It's not like that. You probably take this the wrong way, but it's my opinion. I don't give a fuck. I don't like the way the UFC is going. It's fucking disastrous. I do want to mention, as you just mentioned, Gorilla 3 taking place May 9th at the Hideout Arena in Bolton, live on DeZone, 70K tournament. You see the love that we show you, Darren. There it is. There's the poster. That's your promotion, right?

Yes, my promotion area. Love that. Look at you. So are you in there? You're the guy. You're the Dana White over there. I can't take full credit area because as I said I've put me face to it and my partner my partner's in question

are the guys that do it all what we're trying to build Ariel is a sustainable promotion we want to make money of course but we want to make good fights we want to be honest with ourselves the 70 KG tournament's brilliant

because you know we have open scoring rounds so every round we find out who's ahead I love that did you like that I love that yeah yeah so if one round

so you could be going into the third round and it's one apiece. You've got to fight your heart out for the 10K. The bonus is the 10K at the moment. We're going to rub it, but it's going really well earlier. We've got our next three shows booked for this year already,

so we're doing it, right? When you were free, did you consider UFC? Did you talk to them at all? Was there any thoughts? My body's probably past that now, Ariel. Okay. You think you're done with MMA for good?

The only way I could come back to the MMA area if I think decisively, is at the end of this year, take a full year off to get the surgery on the knee and then take myself off to either Brazil, Russia, somewhere like that again for a year. Don't think of anything, but just do what I'd done when I first went to Brazil

and just grapple, grapple, grapple, grapple, grapple, grapple, do what I done. Come back and, yeah, but I'd be probably 35 by then. Would it be too late? I don't know. The sports's always evolving in it in UFC. The people have now better than all of us 10 years ago. So I don't know.

What's wrong with your knee? It's just fucked. I mean, it's not fucked enough to train and fight. Like, I train hard fight. But if I was to go into MMA, it would come out some angle in the gym or something. So I'd have to get the surgery. Like, what Tom Aspenall got, the exact same? What do you make of what's going on with Tom and the UFC?

Honestly, Ariel, do you want my honest opinion? Of course. That's why we love having you on. I think it's bad the way he's getting treated, but I also don't think Tom's doing himself any favours either. How so? Look, I love Tom. We grew up in the ranks together.

But I just think Sarnem, but Eddie might have been a bit... I'm not going to say bad move money-wise, because I think Eddie's going to get him the deals and the sponsor. but I just know what the UFC is like and I know how Dana thinks and that'll have done Dana Zed in a little bit so he'll probably you know they didn't

I heard they didn't even invite Tom to like UFC London and stuff like that he wasn't there so that's what like I was assuming I'm obviously just assuming that but that's what it seems like and he'll probably just be a little ego off now won't there between Dana and Tom's team and stuff as like Dana just obviously he'll

sardland Tom a little bit won't promote him as much and stuff like we've seen it happen before and it's sad, but Dana's not the only one and he won't be the first, won't be the last, they all do it, but yeah, I think Tom's probably going, I can see Tom probably going over to boxing. I just don't think he's going to get the things,

you know, in the UFC now, obviously Sharon and but Eddie, because Eddie wanted to get one back at Dana because Dana took Connor, you know, that wasn't about Tom, let's have it, right? That was about Eddie trying to get one back at Dana. I'm sure you agree with that, don't you, Ariel? So the likes of Michael Bisping have said he was,

he was used as a pawn. Do you agree with that sentiment? I don't think Tom's not stupid. I know Tom well. Tom's not stupid. He hasn't been used as a pawn because he'd be doing what's best for him money-wise as well. He's got a family there.

Tom's by no means stupid. So Tom will be getting the most bad of it himself, money-wise and stuff. But yeah, if you ask me and if Tom was sat here with me now, me and Tom have had deep, deep convoes all our life. Tom's just to say, what do you think I'd go?

I think it was a bad move, Tom, because it's just going to put you in bad stead with the UFC, Dana's going to get a mini-cob on. They're probably going to do little things and stuff just to fucking keep you there, side-land, they're not going to promote you like they should as a heavyweight world champion. So yeah, if you're asking me, bad move,

money-wise, probably not. But, yeah, Eddie, he wasn't used as a poem, but Eddie definitely just wanted to show, oh, I'm getting something back on Dana for taking Connor. So, yeah, it's probably the Dana and Eddie show and Tom was just there, wasn't he? That's how I see it,

and that's what I'd say to Tom. I'm not, like, I'm not hearing on, and it was a, you know, Tom's not stupid and he's going to make money from Eddie, but that's how I see it, mate, and I'm always going to speak. Yeah, no, and I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

I know it's not easy when you have friends involved. How do you think he does in boxing if he does eventually move over there? The thing with boxing area is you need to understand this, right? All of us are MMA fighters, right? If we switch over, we like to go, well, I've done boxing. No, you haven't.

You've done boxing for MMA. What does that mean? You've been in a wide stance. you don't throw close quarter shots only two guys Max Holloway just in Gaited team

really used boxing but MMA and boxing are two completely different sports all together the movements the head movement the way they move the way they step

it's just so far away from MNAMA so all of us we think we can come over and cross over and go yeah we'll have boxed no you haven't my friend so I see that as I haven't boxed

Because when I went in the gym with all the pros, your eyes get opened totally. So obviously we can take things in there, like faints and stuff like that. And, you know, to learn the true art of boxing, you've got to start from the basics, the footwork, to how you use your jab, to how you work inside and stuff like that.

So I've seen Tom, but I've only seen Tom box for MMA. Can Tom box? Yeah. Will he be World Heavyweight Champion? Probably not. if he makes a lot of money who gives a fuck he did start out early on with the uh the furies right

yeah but so did I but you you your total anatomy changes everything changes area like yeah when martial arts like bernuchel now I'm not bringing boxes into to spa for bernhul because

you don't throw like jab sick but you don't do that because it's bernhle you've got to sort of add good head you've got to move your head and you've got to throw like two punch combos and when you're inside, you've got to grab the head, little shots, stuff like that. The way I've been studying and watching it, every one of these sports were told him, I was just totally different.

So, yeah, Tom had to have to treated as that, but look, he's the heavyweight world champion who the fuck I'm going to give advice to? Were you surprised Paddy lost to Justin? Yeah, I was. I had Paddy dance to win that one. I was on the Paddy train as well. A lot of people were like, you know, people come to ask me, don't because obviously Paddy's from me, oh, what you think?

No, Gates. And I'm like, nah, look, Paddy, look, if I analyse Paddy, look, striking's not the best, but fuck me, is he a big boy and he's fucking very strong? I've even heard in the gym how strong, like his grip and stuff is how he can wrap things on. So taking all that into account

and obviously Justin's weather career, I had, obviously, Paddy on a high confidence one I've been there. I had Paddy taking it, so I was surprised. I mean, look, he got beat up badly. Like, it was a great fight. He gave a good account to himself, and he showed how tough he is. Yeah, I was surprised just them beating to be honest

But that again, it's no problem Paddy's young, he just needs to go away from the drawing board And get better, learn, you know, hone on his skills You know, even just go to pure basics And just get in a solid stance And just throw jab after jab after jab Don't try all the fancy shit that he does sometimes Just throw solid jabs

And then once you've mastered that, just throw solid onesues And then a nice low kick Just to finger your style And then throw a high kick That people are going to catch and you have to wrap all your shit on. But again, who am I to give advice to? No, I mean, you're darn freaking too.

Did you sign with Malki Kawa? No, not in a sense. No, we spoke. Malki come over to see me in Abu Dhabi. And we just chatted about maybe if we could do something in the dirty box on one day. I said to Malka, I said, I love to meet while you're over,

because I love the dirty box I'd love to do. And he's like, look, Darren, we're just starting out right now. Let's see what we can do. when I was like, obviously, want to make the Perry fight. He was like, yeah, you know, one day. So, yeah, look, that dirty boxing for Malch, he's going really well. Congrats to him. You know, he's still a fat potato and all that stuff.

But congrats to him. It seems like for a second you guys were cool, and then you hit him with the fat potato. Never cool. Never cool with anyone. It feels to me, like when you, when I found out that you were leaving misfits, I was like, oh, man, you on the MVP MMA card on Netflix would be a perfect fit. Did you talk to those guys about being on that card, May 16th?

MVP, he reached out, yeah. Yeah. Nikita, every time he reaches out to my team, he likes to always put at the end, yeah, but Jake Paul will beat that, and I'm just like, you shut your fucking mouth to you. You're just the next employee of the UFC. Shut up.

But I don't want to slate Nickyza too much. He's actually okay. That would be a big fight, though. That would be a big fight, you, Mrs. Jake. Yeah, look. Ariel, I'm not one of these guys who's going to sit here in here and beg for the Jake Paul fight. He's a superstar.

He's transcending the sports as we know and now. He's very, very, very acute businessman as well. Don't have a lot of respect for him. I think his brother's an absolute numbedy, but whatever, but Jake I have admiration for him, respect. Fighting him, I think I'd absolutely

do an absolute number on him. You can't compare to the Joshua fight. And I'll tell you why you can't compare if you'd like to hear me talking. Please, love it. People were set, this is my opinion of the anti-Joshua Jake Paul fight. It was a real fight, and anti-Joshua did try to knock him off from the first bell. But what was happening was is, for me, anti-Joshua's being a bit stupid,

wasn't using his fate and stuff, and again, who am I taking advice? But Jake was just running and ducking, and you know when you spar or your fight is a smaller opponent, like when I fought Anthony Taylor, they are so much harder. You know, like when I spar the heavyweights. just knocked them out every spa knock all of heavy weights out to come to spa

they all get knocked out they all get knocked out that's the truth when these little motherfuckers come to fight and spa you can't hit them because they duck

and they're like little cockroaches that's what the fight I took away with Anthony Joshua Jake was and he just couldn't pick him down because Anthony's a big

fucking what is he about 300 pounds buffoon so you know that's what I took from the fight

but if it was me and Jake size to size he just wouldn't get away from, he wouldn't get away from the shots. Did they talk to you or at least extend an offer for you to fight on this card? They were interested, not this card, but they

were interested than me. But what happened? They just didn't show enough charisma. So obviously, you know. Well, you were scheduled to fight on that first Netflix card against Julius Caesar Chavez Jr., right? And there was a visa issue or something like that? Yeah, I do have visa problems as we speak here, so I'm working on trying

to get them sorted so I can fight in the States and you just can all see me again. Yes. Bring the smash bros back. Bring the smash bros Brachia. Do you think it may be resolved sooner rather than later? Hopefully, yeah, Ariel. Hopefully.

Yeah, hopefully. Is this connected to the Kinnahen stuff? I don't know, mate. Maybe, maybe not. But I think what it did boils the answer is I think my, when I was doing my Esther many years ago, I think I put incorrect information of a criminal conviction. So I think that's what stopped me from getting in.

Who knows, mate? I don't think it's tired. that because I'm not tired into any of that, am I? I was kind of hands friend in it, so you can't go to America for that, is it? Sure, no, I know because Tyson and Tommy had that issue as well. Were you surprised that he finally got arrested? I mean, if the USA government wants you're aerial, are they going to get you at some point? Yeah, maybe, maybe not.

I never used to look into it much, to be honest with you. But yeah, it's a... dope he's okay, do you know what I mean? That's all as I can say about it, really. I think it was the Irish government that went after him, right? From what I read, yeah, it was all over the news and stuff like that. I mean, the Liverpool paper back home, they don't ever seem to write anything positive about me, but any time anything negative, my name's always drawn on the hat there,

so they made a comment that how Daniel Kinahan's been remanded or something like that, and he used to manage that until blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, oh, why you say my name? but obviously they've never wrote one positive thing about being but negative. So, yeah, from what I was reading, Ariel, it's the Irish government that apparently went in Dubai and got him. So, yeah. Why do you think they're against you, your local paper?

Do you know what, Ariel, it's quite mad. I don't feel like I've ever had the accolades out of Liverpool what I deserve. I've done quite a lot for the city. I'm probably, Ariel, I'm probably not the most clean-cut character. You know, as you know, I say what's on my mind, and I'm not afraid to be controversial or hair feelings. But I've represented the city. I've fought for a world title.

I brought the UFC to Liverpool. You know, as I said, fought in boxing, fought in my title around the world. I've done a lot. Fort in Madison Square Garden in front of the presidents. You know, it's big accolades, you know. I just don't ever feel like I get... I don't ask for it, area.

That's the thing. Like, you see other people, they're begging for fame and hunger, and they just all got that fucking main character syndrome. for me, don't care, but sometimes it would be nice to get a bit of recognition

for what I've done, do you know what I mean? Respect, admiration, all that stuff. Yeah, I don't get it. I actually don't get it. I'm not telling it, I don't get it. Like, I just, I've never had it,

but I'm also aware that you know me yourself with me. I don't care. As long as I can fight put a beer in front of me, I don't care if you're going to give me up, but sometimes it's a bit like, do I deserve accolades

for the stuff I've done. most probably, yeah. Like, there's probably young kids in Liverpool who look up to me because of the stuff I've done. But I know they do because the fathers and stuff all the time can Darren send us a video wishing good luck. So why doesn't the city of Liverpool give me me accolades? On a worldwide level, not to compare,

compared to maybe like the Smith brothers, you've done more on a worldwide level than they have. And it feels like they get more love than you, no? I wouldn't say that either. The Smiths have won world titles. Do you know how harder is to win a world title? You fought for the UFC title. You fought for the, I mean, there's a million world titles.

I'm not trying to slag them up. My only point is it seems like they get a lot of love and respect at home, as I think you should as well. Yeah, look, you know what, Ariel, there's not a fucking corner on earth that I can go to and not get noticed. Like, even here in Cyprus, we're in the mountains, and I swear to God, I was coming down to the restaurants, and some Russian guy was just like, do you live here? I was like, yeah, he's like, you're mine.

this happens I don't know where you like I think the Smiths do a lot more in Liverpool as well like you know I'm not sure again I'm not trying to compare but like if one of the Smith brothers

walks down the streets of New York do you think they're getting stopped if Darren Tilly walks down the streets of New York I think you're getting stopped right I'm just trying to say you've put Liverpool on the map yeah

this is all could convos though because they are my friends and stuff I don't want because you know what if I would have brought up Patty people would have thought that I was trying to be

no I'm trying to give you your flowers as a book I know I'm doing it as well as well Ariel, as much as I'm out there outspoken, I'm a very humble man. Like, people come up to me and say, oh, you're a fighter and I go, well, sort of, I don't, I don't have a,

I don't shout on anything, Ariel. I'm a very, like, as much as people can probably think I'm loud and brash, I'm very, like, my partner in Gorilla can vouchers, I have a lot of anxiety out there, like, on the normal. So I'm very humble and I'm very, like, I don't need or want for not, and I would never beg or ask.

I'm not, that's just me, but, yeah, if you were to say I've ever put Liverpool on the map in terms of MMMA and other stuff yeah, I feel like I have obviously Paddy was around the same time as me I obviously got hired than him before he entered the UFC

he's obviously taking a further than me now maybe I opened the gates for him the way Bissping opened the gates for for me and all them guys so yeah but like look in terms of Achaelage the smiths of one world titles who can't take that away from him but in terms of maybe putting Liverpool on the map

Maybe yet, maybe I am more well-known, but... You're very humble. That's not for me to say, Ariel. I wouldn't dare say I'm more famous than Paddy, Molly, the Smiths, Tony Bellew. Everyone's done in their own right what they've done. And if they're from my city, I will, you know, I won't ever, like, I won't finger them. You know, I won't put them down for that. Fair enough.

I'll let you go in a second. I just want to ask you about two more things. White House card. You into it? You like it? You're excited about it? Shite. Why?

it just doesn't get I don't know where you're probably you're probably a much more knowledgeable guy than me and MMA like you do this day to day you probably know the ins and out I'm not sick because you have

people like to know because he hasn't fought that doesn't mean anything but I look at the card and it just doesn't get me juices flowing like the way the other the other cards the reason the UFC caught up to boxing is because back in the day

you had co-main events like Robbie Lola Rory MacDonald Connemagher O'Dre Aldo like the Madison Square Garden fight they done 205

like just the fights back then they just had a different thing to them and I just look at the White House now and I just think a load of shit look and I'm not saying

any of the gate then but earlier to Portia Geety just doesn't interest me I'm sorry it's like Anthony Joshua versus Tyson Fury I look

I've got a lot of respect for Tyson and I've got a lot of respect for Joshua by the way Joshua followed me on Instagram so I was buzzing And I was like, yeah, go on, Joshua. Well, it's not that, not about that.

This is not me attacking them personally. I'm not asked about anti-Joshua and Tyson Fury fighting so you can all make another hundred million quid out of us. Yous were meant to fight six years ago, and you didn't fight because Eddie Ayrne and Frank, you all wanted to have this big cough off, and Tyson wanted to go and fight a few monglerites, and Joshua are saying,

we wanted to see that six years ago. I'm more interested in seeing that now. Same as Gatie. Gatty's been beat a thousand times. am I a fan? I fucking love the guy. I think he's one of the best fights ever. But I just don't want to see

I'll get a little to Ilya, fight Gaetia. I want to see him to Poria fight Islamachia or one of the others. Arman. I don't want to see that. It's just a shit. Amon, why is that? By the way, why is Armand Syrucian

not getting no love from the UFC? What's he done? They're mad at him because he gets crazy. He's headbutting people. He's hitting fans on the way out. Oh, fucking out. But he's box office. I must have just passed my mind that John Jones has done all madness.

And I've done all madness. And Conner's done all madness. Oh, okay, because maybe they've got a personal vendor. Why is Armand Suu, if you're not getting the love he deserves? He deserves them. You know what I'm mean? He's, you're on fire today. You know what, Ariel?

Yeah, please. You know what? It won't get better as it is now until it's just until all these egos. And when people put the pay. personal things into it. That's where it becomes a problem. I'm not, look, it's like I can fucking know

what I'm talking about here, but it's just my opinion. These promoters have got too much ego and it needs to be dragged from them. These managers have all got too much ego. As I say in my camp,

every person has a role to play. I'm the fighter. You're the coach. You're the manager. I don't have conversations with people. That's the manager's job. Same as the manager doesn't have conversations

with people. That's the fighter's job. I'm the coach vice versa. I don't know where these managers and promoters get their egos from it absolutely winds me up that's why I'm happy with my manager never change and we're good you're excited about the MVP card though

do you think that could give the sport a boost or no it's just a mongoloy card in a aerial ronda and gina do you stuck ronda screaming at everyone never happening just always angry at something gina yeah for 20 years ago, great.

I'm looking here. In Garnu, Linz, yeah, in Garnu, just whatever, not arced. Diaz Peri, the Mongoloid firm. Mochayev,

looking forward to that. Dos Santos should have retired 65 years ago. Avilae Nate Diaz's mate part of the Mongoloid crew. There's stoner crew that can't put a sentence together.

Larkin should have retired 25 years ago. Yeah, it's okay, Ariel. Again, the Mongoloid gang. I really wanted to see you versus Frotch. I really wanted to see that one. I was so hyped for that. Yeah, again, but that's just, again, it's just

looking for views and money, really, and it? That's the Mongolode fight as well. It's a Mongoloid fight, though, in it? It is a Mongoloid fight because it would have never been considered if Throck was in his proper era. Like, not to say it, I do believe it, I beat Karl Froch now.

I'm back on the day, back on the day, I can't fucking fight me and I'm clever. I'd have given a fucking good goal. But make no mistake, mate, he was a fucking phoenom. So right now, the way it's and tag the fight. It's the Mongoloid fight. It's a 40-year-old flock versus a fucking fresh staring.

It's the Mongoloid fight, like the Nate Diaz and the Rwandazis, you know, it's all, they're the Mongoloid fights, but people want to see them and love them, so, do you know? Okay, last one. I think of this credit and everything.

Andrew Tate, what do you think of his performance? Do you not get me start? It's Ariel. What do you mean? What do you mean? You weren't impressed? Is there he heating on it yet? I'm fucking sweating.

I got you worked up. Any final words about Andrew? Look, I don't want to talk badly about Andrew because he's actually sound, he's all right. No, he's not. Don't lie. He was fraud check. He spent 10 years telling every male on the planet

that you're a tough guy and sack up and alpha males and we rule and I'm a kickboxer and I fight and this and that, and then you show up and you look like crap, and you can't fight for shit, and then you say, you know what, at least I tried. At least I went out there. No, no, no. Your whole motto was not at least I tried.

Your whole motto wasn't, I gave it the old college try. Your motto was, I'm the best, and I'm going to show all of you what's what. And then you freaking, you shat the bed. You can't do that for 10 years and shit the bed. No, it's true. No, it's true. I can't go against it.

I don't want to slag him too much because I fucking said sorry to him on Twitter for slagging him. And he was like, yeah, cool, we get a coffee. he's over slag him. I'm a cunt, but yeah, Darren decides to be a cunt.

Let's fucking slag him. Here we go. No, I just think, I don't know where it. That word just, it doesn't make it, as I said to there, I'm probably not active

on the social side like that anymore. Sometimes when you're on them reels, it's the whole, it's the whole alpha male, you've got these fucking dopey fucking 21-year-old kids in Mar Bayer and Dubai flexing fucking AP.

and cars and they're all giving us life advice and coach I don't get it here the feeding coach to us and I just think well how are you who are you to give us a coach who are you what have you done what do you mean what what what quotes are you on about but it's the same with all socials in that area and it's bad for the kids it's so bad and the parents

are even worse like it's just so bad the girls that are coming up and what they're saying like this is off topic but The girls are seeing all these fucking absolute trannies dancing with their asses out on the fucking stage. And all this madness what's going on where a guy can put three cocks on his head and call him a fucking gender, fucking whatever. And then this other side of all these crazy, weird fucking male alphas who've looked at Andrew Tate for, I don't know, what you call it? Like, advice and stuff and it's just all crazy. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Like, you know, it just, it doesn't make any sense. That's why I stay off Twitter as much as I do here, and I try to just go on Insta post, read messages, because I can't deal, my brain can't deal with all that. It doesn't commute with me. I don't understand it. I don't understand how someone can get a camera and start giving out to all advice. And you need to do it, male, male, and girls, you've got all this influence.

It's fucking just so bad for the world. Darren, we missed you. That's what the fuck. Just get me on one, don't you? This was incredible. Please don't be a stranger. Welcome back. Congratulations on the new deal.

We could do three hours with you, but I'm going to let you go because you're sweating up a storm over there, and I don't feel like making you go through another workout. Yes, go ahead. Yes, I said last week. So obviously, I just want to give a shout out to Guerrilla Promotions.

Yes. Next event in Hydeau, Bolton. And also a big shout out to my team blockbets. We launch our new platform tomorrow. Aerial nose years and years, we've been at it. So that's me two little side businesses I don't probably talk about enough

as a sad businessman, but I'm very proud of myself, and yeah, all's good. BKFC 90 in Birmingham May 30th, the debut against Aaron Chalmers of Geordy Shore fame. I shouldn't have announced that. David Feldman told me it's all good. He's okay with it.

Oh, good. No, he did it. I'm kidding. He did it, but I just wanted you to feel better. Love you, Darren. Take care. Tadda. Bye, bye, bye, bye, there he is. The great Darren Till. Wow, what a guy. That was worth waiting for.

Tremendous stuff from Darren. Okay, let's not keep our next guest waiting. He had a tremendous win over Kyler Phillips on Saturday in Winnipeg. Three in a row now at 135 pounds for Charles Jordane. Won the fight of the night award as well. Flying that Canadian flag so very high. He's kind enough to join us right here. And now Charles Air Jordane.

There he is. Hello, Charles. Sorry about that. Darren was going on and on over there. So I apologize for getting too late. I arrived and I can see he's taking shots at Andrew Tate, the White House. Like, it's there until, you know, I grew up watching him. So it's fun to second him in this interview.

Do you agree with a lot of the things that he says, or do you disagree? I think he's very emotional on everything, but that's what creates reaction. But, yeah, sometimes I agree. Sometimes I don't. I'm my own man. Concerning the White House card, I think it's good. The fights are nice. The way it's publicized could be a little different, but it's not my...

my take won't matter on it too much. Sure, but we're always interested in everyone's takes. By the way, your camera is unbelievable. Thank you very much. What are you doing with this camera? What do you use this camera for? It's fantastic. So I do more and more YouTube now and more social media,

and I invest in proper equipment in order like a proper mic, proper equipment in order to connect with fans. Like I'm at 6,000 followers on YouTube, but it's starting to grow. I'll put in more and more work, to it. And so we know you have the YouTube channel. What do you talk about on there? And are you speaking in French, English, both? What are you doing? English now. English now because, you know, I might have like three, four years more left in my body for, oh, that's nice. Thank you very much.

No problem. Now we're starting to produce even more content in English to connect more with people and then make guillotine breakdowns, like technique breakdowns. I know Corey Sanhagen does it properly, so I was inspired by it. I think I have proper knowledge when it comes to MMA. So if I can share it with people because like all fighters dissect certain fights a different way and they see things that other fighters don't. So it could be a fun thing to add up my little niche on it. Can I make a suggestion? Please. So up next we have a gentleman named Hinato Moikano, who of course you know, and I noticed ever since, so he has a YouTube channel, which he's quite proud of. And recently, last few months, he's gone all Portuguese. And I saw his numbers shot up.

And I feel like there's so much English MMA content out there, the other languages are getting ignored. And so that's why I asked you about French. I know there's a huge French MMA population and fan base over an actual France, but I'm sure in Quebec as well, and you can gear towards both. I wouldn't shy away from the French. Maybe you do both, but I think speaking their language would actually help you out a lot. That's just my two cents.

Yeah. I started that way, but when it comes to sponsors, like they really like English, of course, because of the reach. And if we compare Portuguese to French, the problem is like we're only 8 million Quebecois and all of Canada. And a lot of them speaks English. So the niche is quite small. And when it comes to MMA, France, they're very different from the Quebecois.

So when they're not too prone to watch. It could be a good idea, but they're not too prone to watch French French from Quebec type of stuff. Yeah, they look down on the Quebec. They don't like the way you speak French. my excuse me they look down on the quebecua they don't like the way in which you speak yes exactly so there's like a little bit of cultural effect but i felt like i i was able like through my instagram media i've reached overall in all my social media one million subscribers like on x

uh instagram ticot and most of it is in english but like portuguese the brazil it's insane as soon as you start talking about soccer and mMA you can become like superstar on instagram like we We see those kids from Brazil who are spending time with I Show Speed and all those streamers. It's incredible the reach. In Brazil, speaking Portuguese, like I even consider I should speak in Portuguese a little bit more. I saw you post, we've talked about this in the past, but your meme game is really at an all-time high. You had some Valentine's Day cards that you posted, which I thought were quite clever. Baby, I'm not Balal.

This won't be boring. Call me Aspinall, because I got my. eye on you. Who's coming up with this stuff? My concussion brain. I feel like the more I get punched in the head, the more the better the memes are. The funnier you get. The funnier you get, the more you get punched. Exactly. Like, I have to thank Jean Silva. Ever since I got knocked out, like, he put sense into me going to 35, three in a row, three bonus in a row. Like, Jean-Silva changed my life with that uppercut. Well, could you have ever expected that? Like, if someone would have sat down next to you and said,

don't worry, this is all going to work out, it's going to change your trajectory, but you're going to go here and there, X, Y, and Z. At the time, you were probably crushed, you were probably disappointed. Yes. But was there any thought in the back of your mind, like, okay, maybe there could be a blessing here, or you couldn't see that far? Well, we always seen those Chinese cookie, like the little, don't worry, don't lose hope, but I had no hope anymore for myself until my wife came to see me after the Jean-Silva fight two, three weeks after him, like, hey, I'm pregnant. So I'm like, oh, okay, Now, what type of father do I want to be the guy who just gives up on his dream? And no, I changed everything drastically.

I did many interview where I talked about that process over the last two years. And the men I've become today is completely, I heard the calling to the higher calling. I like to call it. And I answered. And I think everybody has it. I'm not special. But right now I'm on a very good run because of that change. Do you think if you don't have that conversation with your wife that she's not pregnant,

Do you think if it's just another period in your life, you quit MMA? Yeah, I think if I would have gone back in the cage as I was against Jean, there was nothing. Like I was fighting, like I had money. I was fighting for nothing. There was no purpose outside of my own self. And the way I was seeing myself, I was just trash. I didn't see myself as a potential pantom weight contender or anything. I just saw myself as a just a fighter.

I fought. Now I'm out. Let's go look for a job. I was very pessimistic when it comes to how I was seeing myself until I'm like, okay, now I can fight for something more than just me. And that was the biggest blessing I've ever had. What was the issue? Was it just the wins and losses or were there other issues? Inconsistency. And deep down, I knew I was not doing the right thing. I was eating pizza, smoking weed. Like I was just fighting in the UFC, riding on the UFC, riding on the like a wave of talent. But if you want to get up there and you want to stay in UFC and be good in the UFC, you need to have a big amount of professionalism, which I didn't have. I was just fighting, cutting five pounds to make the federal weight limit and fighting these guys,

losing split decision there, blah, blah, blah. It was not good. I was not taking my career seriously. So yeah, now we have three in a row, Bantam weight. Today they announced the ranking and I'm not in it. It's okay. I don't mind there's some very good bantamweight fighters, but we're getting there. Were you waiting for this moment for this day after the fight? Yes. And so are you upset? Is there any part of you that's upset? I'm sure they're going to give me a top 15 opponent next because the day they announced that I was fighting Carter Phillips, which was ranked for I think the past five years he was ranked. The day, it was on the Tuesday and they just switched him up the rankings to put the guy who beat Rob Font, Raoul, and they put Farid Basharat as well.

So they did a little switchup, so I was like, okay, am I still fighting for my shot at top 15? From what I heard, they said yes, but maybe the performance was, because it was not a finish, maybe they're like, okay, we'll wait a bit. I know Raunni Barcellos is finding Montel Jackson, which is 15 or something like that. There's a lot of guys who are very close to that line. And also, Marcus McGee is fighting Jakub something. So there's a lot of fighters who are very close to that top 15.

So I'm not mad, I understand, but a little bit sad. I wish I was. You're on your way. You're on your way, and it's inevitable based on how you're looking and fighting in men. Speaking of how you're looking, I saw, I mean, your physique was insane. Like you were shredded on Fight Week. Yes. Look at this guy right here.

This is absurd. No pizza in this diet, right? You say best shape of your life. Golly, look at you, man. Congrats. No, it was the best shape of my life. Like the conditioning, everything they do at the PI, the supplementation they give you, everything. It's incredible.

And I still can't believe some guys are like, no, I like to do my own stuff. I get it. But me, ever since I put my hands, like in the UFC, I said, guys, I need help. And man, the version that you just saw in that picture was the best version I could have. I was. So that was quite impressive. And when I cut the weight, the more muscle you have, the more water you lose. So of course it was a difficult cut, but it was not the end of the world.

You know, I was not be like, oh my God, I'm stressed. I cannot make weight. No, I lost 20 pounds like this and regained it quite fast after the rehydration protocol. You won the fight of the night of war, but I saw afterwards you said like you weren't enamored with the fight, so to speak. You had some great moments. There's a great photo of the knee that you landed. So what was the issue? Look at this shot right here.

I mean, this is something. It's beautiful. Yeah, but I was very pissed at myself because I've built, I came up with only one strategy. And I think it's not good for a guy like where I want to be in this sport to come in and just be like, okay, I know what Kyler Phillips is going to do. He's going to do this, this and that. I think I underestimated not Kyler Phillips, but the fact he comes from the MMA Lab.

And I think MMA Lab, they have Mario Batista, Sean O'Malley, that goes there, Marcus McGee, Kyler, So they all really have a big amount of very good bantam weights. And the fact that he was always moving on the outside, he was very annoying. Like I was not able to install my boxing. And as soon as I overreached, you went with the body lock. And after the win, everybody talked about it. It's like, oh, you knew you lost.

Like I saw some comments about it. Very few. But still, because I was on the end of very close decision, all my UFC career. So me, I lost hope. Like once you put it in the end of the judges, it can go either way. Like it doesn't matter how many people say, hey, I think you won. I think you won. At the end of the day, you got your pay cut and half.

And you still have that red marked on your record, you know? Like many people said, oh, I won against Shane Burgos. It was like majority decision very close. You won against that guy, split decision loss. It doesn't matter what people say. You got your pay cut enough. got that red on your record. And so when they announced my name, I was like, oh, nice, good. I'm happy with it, but I was very not happy with how I fought Kyler Phillips. At the end, I was like,

you know what, I need to go banana right now because I couldn't find my, like, they completely shut down my lefty stance. And why? Because why I was mad at myself is because I was stubborn. You know, the definition, they call it the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, expecting different results, but I was keep doing the same mistake, keep attacking the guillotine, I overestimated my capacity to finish him with it. And after the fight, I was so mad at myself because I know I'm capable of much more, but not taking anything away from Kyler Phillips, never been finished, very good guy. But yeah, I was mad at myself after this performance. I understand maybe you were mad about a few things, A, that the performance, not finishing him,

you wanted to be the first one to finish him. Also, not being on the poster, did that bum you out as well? Yeah, absolutely. I think someone hate me at UFC Canada. Like the promotion for Maine and Mike, it's not a job at Mike, by the way. I love Mike Malotte.

They just put him in the rankings number 11. Like the machine, UFC Canada machine is right behind him. I'm not saying they're not behind me. But that thing, that poster, I'm like, come on, common event, we have two Canadians. I get it. I'm Quebeco. But please.

put me on the poster next time. Do you think it's a Quebecois thing? George was Quebecois and they pushed him to the moon. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, George. Georgie, there's only one like him. What a man. What a man indeed. Next one maybe, do you want to maybe fight outside of Canada?

Would you like to, I know you fought. Yes. Okay, this is something you'd like. Yes, yes. I would love to go in like somewhere around Vegas, maybe Latin America, because I'm taking my shot, you know, I would love to fight Cheeto. The reason why I'm aiming for Cheeto.

Chito is not because, oh, he's on a two losing streak. I'll go on him. It's not about the fact that he lost or won. It's his fighting style. The UFC put an article calling me the Master of Chaos. I think it's a very cool nickname. And I would love to fight Chito. I think it's a mano amano war.

I think they're not going to be that much grappling exchange, which I just had to take off Kyler Phillips off of me for three rounds and try to fight. you know, I was really like, come on, let's give something to the fan, you know? And I know Chito Vera would be an excellent fight for me. I know they like those type of matchup where guys coming up, young guy, I'm not that young, I'm 30, but like they put Raoul against Rob Font. You see like those young cubs trying to go see the old lions and say, hey, I'm here to take your spot.

So maybe I'm not in the top 15, but of course the UFC should allow me a proper shot against Chito. I think that could be quite fun. That would be an amazing fight. After the fight, did you meet Pierre Paulyev as well? Yes, we were in the Jets, the Jets room, fantastic man. All the Jets guys were super nice. It was quite interesting. And I had beautiful interaction with Sean Sheldby,

under Campbell and Dana White. We were in Winnipeg, isn't it? Like the murder capital city of Canada. And I didn't expect, like, you know, all the head figures to be there because sometimes it happened in Canada. They're not there, but they were there. We had very nice interaction, and then we went to the Jets' private room, and Pierre Poliav was there. It was very nice to meet all these people.

Look at you, man, winning on the biggest of stages, three in a row, meeting politicians, the big dogs are there, the big bosses are there. This is good stuff. Yes, like I understand why the attraction was not too big towards me at some point, because, you know, win one, lose one, win two, lose two. I was very inconsistent, but right now I feel like I'm, everything is going great right now. We have health, we have a good amount of money because of the bonuses that are now 100K. I need to make sure I spend it properly and I invested properly. So everything is going proper. Like after seven years in UFC, it's very rare that interaction.

Like people are like, oh, can you call Dana? I'm like, of course not. Me, no. There's some guys like they have this phone number, but not me, but now I'm starting to get more and more recognized into the company. And I love it. And one more thing when it comes to like the Pierre Paulyev interaction, for people who follow me, they saw that I took my foot out of the gas when it comes to politics. At the end of the day, I'm a fighter. I was more like too intense on social media saying, hey, you should do this.

People should vote for whoever they want. I'm not a politician. I never want to be in that world. And yeah, I took my foot off the gas. I'll make nice memes, but there's some stuff that I, because people are like, oh, you change. You're softer now. I'm like, dude, maybe I was too much of a moron sometime online. You're a father now.

You're a father now. And that softens you a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. What type of example you know you want to set? Like, sometime I could watch a previous interview I did like just two years ago and I don't like the way I speak, the way I say things. but you know every day you get the invitation to get better and I'll keep on answering the phone when this opportunity calls.

I love that and also love the fact that you and your brother in the UFC first Canadian brother duo in the UFC. We're still waiting on his actual UFC debut though. Any idea when that comes? Probably like June or July. The thing is Louis, as soon as he signed with the UFC, he went to the UFCPI the way I did, you know, to get that proper. like surroundings, you know? So now the way he was training was like kind of following a little bit of my stuff and his own stuff. But now he's very, I don't know how to say that, taking care of by the UFC. So it takes time just to make sure his body is completely strong enough to be a big 35er. Because Louis used to be a 25er.

And then now he's putting on the mass and making sure his body is completely solid to, to, yeah, terrorize the bantamweight division. Okay. Well, that will be big. for now you're doing the thing you're doing it in a very big way as well it's great to see man it's also great to see your evolution your maturation as a human being

as a fighter and it's really all coming together for you so from one Quebec to another well done well done my friend boncue much and keep on going keep doing your thing I love it congratulations and one more thing sorry guys I know when you guys watch the interview you just had

Darren Till going after Andrew Tate and then you see something more soft but this is just me I hope you guys like the interview Of course. And I love your camera and microphone, especially. Not everyone comes with such a great setup. So well done on that too. Yeah, the phone interview are squishy a bit sometimes. Yeah, your Wi-Fi is way better than Darren, so thank you for that. Thank you, Charles. All the best. There he is. Charles Air Jordane, big stuff from him, three in a row now. And yeah, he's evolved. The move down to 135 has been amazing. Usually when we talk to Hanato Moikano, his Wi-Fi is tremendous, his camera. tremendous. This is a YouTuber right here. I mean, this guy, we were just talking to Charles about his YouTube channel. It has exploded ever since he really started focusing on the

Portuguese community, the audience that speaks Portuguese, obviously from Brazil, massive audience there, massive fan base for him there, so it makes all the sense of the world. Very smart that Hanata Moikano. He's kind enough to join us right here and now following his big win over Chris Duncan a couple weeks ago. There he is. Yeah. Mani Moikano. Hanata Moikano. So much has changed. Henato, since we last spoke. I used to, you know how I know, you know how I know so much has changed. First time ever, there's a first for everything.

I say, Henato, let's talk about Chris Duncan. I'm too busy, brother. I talk about the fight. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. My guy, Henato got, so your YouTube channel exploded, so you forgot about the little people, huh? No, you're the best. You're the best.

I'm trying my best, you know, trying to make some money, trying to go for the, like you say, the Portuguese audience. And I was coming off to losses. I was really focused and I think I showed that on the fight I stopped a little bit to produce content and stuff for the fight

so I was not like I was not like doing too much you know under two weeks so I'm sorry for that No I'm just messing with you Of course I'm just messing with you and I was so happy for you In fact on the day of your fight I was getting annoyed

I was getting annoyed I know Apex this step But I was like man this is money Moikano the guy always delivered And I was getting annoyed at the comments about the main event, about the quality of the fight. Fight card is what it is. But to me, like, you are must-see TV. Did you see that stuff?

Did that stuff annoy you as well? Not really, Ariel, because I was coming off two losses, you know, so... Yeah, but one was a one-day-notice fight, Islamachev. I mean, come on. And the other fight you were looking... It's not your typical two-fight. No, I look terrible against Dariush. I looked terrible against Darius, you know.

I was very bad. I got tired. I left the YouTube and the interviews and the stuff. getting too much on fighting. So I was not really focused on the Dariusu fight, and I regret that because now I see, like, everybody beating every time that he lost, it makes me look bad, you know?

So that's why I decided to focus 100% on Chris Duncan. I knew how good he was. And again, that was my chance, you know, because if you remember, like after be me, He fought BSD and then BSD beat him and then BSD fight hooker and now BSD is on the top five. So that could be me because I beat BSD, you know. So I decided to focus right now on to be the best that I can. Of course, I still do YouTube, especially no camping.

But if I have a camp, I will be focused because I still have the fire on me, you know. I still want to be the best that I can. I love the fire that you showed on that fight. And even in the post-fight interview, post-fight interview was incredible. But I did notice at one point. Did you like it? I thought you didn't like. I saw your tweet saying like I'm turning a heel and stuff.

This is, people are crazy, Hinao. I said, first of all, I love heels. My name is Hiawani. I love heels. I love the bad guys. What I said about turning heel was, at one point, you said F the fans, right? You said F the fans. Yes.

And all the psychopaths on Twitter thought that I was referring to your message about religion. I love religion. I love all kinds of religion. I know it was Easter Sunday. I thought your message was great. I have no problem with it. I just never heard you really say, F the fans. That's something that a bad guy would say.

Heel would say that in wrestling. I love the promo. I loved everything about it. Please don't get it twisted. I'm sorry you felt that way. No, no, no. No, I was, I didn't feel that way. I was just, when you say, Hugh, I'm saying, man, maybe he didn't like what I say.

No. But it is what it is. I can completely understand. Why did you say Fass the fans? Because, look, when you're winning, everybody loves you. When you're winning, when you're like on the hype, like, five in a week, and then you start to lose, people hate you. So that's why I say, fuck the fans, but at the same time, we need the fans.

I love the fans. Sometimes they give you a hard time. You know what it is. You've been in the industry for a long time. Okay, so generally, though, you feel like you have a good relationship with the fans. Yes. Okay. Do you feel like they've now come around on you, that they're now supporting you again

because you want? Ariel, I stopped to give that much time to read comments on English because like you say, I was seeing nobody was doing what I'm doing in the Portuguese channel. And like we have like more than 200 million people in Brazil. And even though Brazil is not the best place economically, like they spend a lot of time in the Internet. I think they are the number one that spend times on the Internet. So I was thinking about that maybe. Money-wise, I'm not going to make as much as if I'm doing the content in English. But in English, I have such great competitors like yourself.

How many people are watching this live stream right now? So I thought, okay, I will do my best to build a huge audience. And then I go for sponsors, not for Edsense, you know, not for the money on YouTube. That's good, too, but I think sponsors are the right way. So it was like a business perspective, a business shift. But I think I will try to get back on. on the English market too, because some of the fans, they like me,

some they don't like that much, but it is what it is. I think it's, so we were talking about this earlier, looking at your YouTube and how you've really gone in on the Portuguese, and even your Twitter, I see you're always tweeting in Portuguese, I think that's so smart. You have no competition there,

and that's your native language, and you're very funny and enlightening in English, but it makes so much sense. What was the moment where you, because of all people, you're a very smart guy from a business perspective, That's why I'd like to speak to you. When did you come to this realization?

Let me just shift here and then all of a sudden the numbers went up. Like I didn't plan, you know. I was doing my YouTube channel in English, trying to get some views. It was not working out really well for me. Like if I get like on a betting video, you know, because I like to do videos of betting cards like this next week. So if I would get like 40K views, that would be huge for me. That would be huge. Like only on like the Alex Pereira cards, Charles Olivera cards.

But then I say, okay, after the speech on the UFC 300 that I talk about misses and the constitution, a lot of people in Brazil start to ask me about politics and that stuff. So I create a YouTube channel to talk about that. So I'll say, okay, I'm going to do MMA in English and I'm going to do in Portuguese more about politics, economy, stuff like that. But then I would get little views and then I would post MMA and then big views. So every time that I post something, a podcast about politics, nobody wants to hear. But when Jose Aldo was fighting the guy in Brazil, I don't remember his name, the 135 in Brazil. Everybody wants to hear my opinion about that.

So I say, okay, I'm going to pivot. I'm going to do what the people want. you know, you have to give people what they want. What about the religion? Because in this post-fight interview, you were speaking a lot about religion. When did you become so passionate about it? Let me tell you something, Ariel, because a long time ago, I started to tap in politics and understand about what is democracy, what is a republic.

And I know some people got really divided about that. But like last year, on the beginning on this year, I realized, matter who you vote for. That's the true. Doesn't matter. Things going to get worse because the way democracy is built and was built, especially on the beginning of the last century, people are going to vote for populists. Like if you go over there and you say you're going to give people free shit, if you say to people that you're going to give them stuff and you keep promising a line to then, you're going to get elected. And this is not only in Brazil. This is in every place. you have to promise stuff that you cannot do, literally.

So if you look at the DAB on the US DAB right now, it's off the charts because you have to print money to keep doing wars. And I was watching the video about Ron Paul 20 years ago. He was talking about that on the Iraq War, on the Middle East War. He said, Republicans are going to like the war because we're going to have more police, we're going to have more army, we're going to have a police state. So Republicans, they like that because they feel like this is good, like having a strong state is good. And at the same time, liberals and Democrats, they're going to like the war too, because with this big stage, we're going to have welfare.

We're going to have social programs. We're going to feed the poor. So every time that state gets bigger, it gets and growing, every side of the aisle likes that. So the Republicans like that because the government is bigger and can spend more money on. on like on the police departments on army, on controlling the state, on taking the privacy, you know, collecting the data, all that stuff with Palantir. They love that.

They think that's good. And Democrats and liberals, they think that's good because we're going to increase social welfare, you know, social plans, trying to help the poor. And the end of the day, middle class American paid the price with the inflation. And this is, like I say, so what? I realize is politics doesn't matter. Doesn't matter who you vote. You know, that is a saying that you're going to choose between Baal and Molok.

That's democracy. They give you a chance to die, drown or to die on the fire. So realize that. I say, man, that is no escape. The only escape is Jesus. The only escape is religion. The only escape is family. So that's why I realize I'm not going to vote for nobody.

I'm not going to do shit. I'm going to save myself, save my family, and spread the good news. and the good news is Jesus can save you, and only you can save yourself. Don't rely on government. Government is a product of the devil. So I try to articulate that, but my English is not that good. Well, you know what's wild about it is you just went through a fight

and to speak about that in the cage. I know it wasn't the longest fight in the world, but still, for that to come to mind in that moment is interesting to me. Why does that come to mind in that moment as opposed to something related to the fight or your fighting career? Because this is more important than my fighting career, you know? Right now I'm a fighter, but soon I will not be a fighter, but I still be a father.

I will still be a man of God, if God willing. And I still want to spread the good news, like I say. So I feel this is so much important. And especially I was coming off to losses. I was not in a good place. So the fate keeps me strong, you know, especially on the five week. And especially it was pass over, right? was the week that Jesus suffers so much for us.

And the whole week I was thinking about that. I was thinking about when Jesus got into Jerusalem. I was talking when he went to the temple. And he was then saying that wrong stuff was doing being in the temple, like selling goods and selling the faith and all that stuff. So I believe that was the message that I need to share. But at the same time, like I should have be more clearly from my perspective. But like you say, it's very hard to enter a fight and then to have a speech like that

programming, you know, that's not easy. But thank you for have the audience for talk about that. So don't fight with your family about politics because they are in the same, they are from the same bag. They cut from the same clot, you know. If they were good and if they wanted the good life for everybody, they will not be politicians, you know, because nobody goes to politics to help people. They go to politics to help themselves.

And I'm talking especially in Brazil. That is a lot of shady going on in Brazil, especially with that. But that's not going to solve any problems, you know. That's not going to solve any problems. Like on the other fight in France, I talk about this book, Democracy, The God That Failed. And it's just a process. If you are conservative, you want the process to go slow. If you are progressive, we want this progress to go faster.

So some people right now in Brazil are calling this thing about accelerationism. They want this thing go fast and see what is going to be on the end of this. How do I say that experience? Because especially me and we, we live in a democracy, in a very good democracy in America, better than most of countries. But this is still experience, you know. We started on 1776, so 250 years.

That's not a long time if you count the time that we live in these words. So I not always was like that. And I don't know if always going to be like that. So don't trust in. politician, they are bad. I have a hard time disagreeing with you as far as that statement is concerned. And also, I love, this is why I love talking to you because we talk about different things. I love religion.

I love religion talk. I studied religion my whole life in college as well. Really? You did like a theology? Yes, that was one of the courses. It wasn't my major. It wasn't my major, but I would always try as an elective because I was always so fascinated by different religions.

I am Jewish, of course, but I have great respect for all kinds of religions. and I feel like ultimately believing in something in a higher power is very healthy, is very good. It's very important. It's important to pray. It's important to humble yourself. And I don't care what kind of religion you subscribe to or believe in or what God you believe in. I think it's important for us to all respect each other's religions. That's my belief.

That's why when I saw the reaction to my tweet, I was like, where – I mean, I know where it's coming from, but it's just amazing to see the lack of respect for different religions out there in this world. And so I think it's – it's – it's – fine on a, some people get uncomfortable when an athlete takes the microphone and talks about religion or thanks God. I think that's fine. I have no issues with that. I think that's very healthy and normal to thank someone above you, to thank a higher power, to not take all the glory for yourself. Yes. And especially like you say, like if you, if you have a degree or if you study theology, you know, like human beings, they were designed and they were made to worship.

And if you, there is a very good book named Sapiens that I, the guy is Jewish too. How are you? Val, how are you? Okay. And he explained how we evolve to believe, like why, why we evolve to cooperate with each others? Because when you are like hunters and gatherers, like to get more people, you have to believe in the same thing.

So if I say I'm Christian, you're going to know my beliefs, you're going to know probably how do I behave on myself? If I know you Jewish is the same, so is a community, and then you believe. And if you were designed to believe, we evolved to believe. And if you don't believe in religion, if you don't believe in God,

you believe in something. And most of people in our days, they believe in the secular religion. They believe in democracy. They believe in justice. And that is no justice, you know. There is no justice without God. Everything that we believe is good and moral

and beautiful, it becomes because of God. Because, like you say, God gave it to Moses the Ten Commandments. And that's moral. Before that, people didn't care about killing babies and being immoral. So if you have moral, if we judge people morally, it's because of religion. So there is no morally. I'm not saying you cannot be a good person and you cannot respect people. You don't kill people.

You don't cheat on people because you don't believe God. But I'm saying these things, they exist right now. Because back on a day, people believe in God and they thought God would punish them and would reward them for what they did. So I think it's very important you to believe in something. Otherwise, you're going to believe in this satanic stage, in this stage that want to be worshipped by everybody. This state that want to take every and each penny off your pocket. They want to create your children. You know, I don't believe in that.

I think America was not found on that, you know. If you think about that, America was the smaller government in the world. They were fighting the British. They were fighting the British Empire. They were fighting the kings. And they built this constitutional republic. That means that's very decentralized. Everybody going to choose how they feel.

If you see the colonies, how they wore, people are different religions, doing different practices. And they made up this constitution, telling everybody to be in the place and choose the way they want to live. But now we see America, the biggest government in the world, like going all around the world, making wars, putting the military all around the world. So it's just a paradox to me,

how the smallest state become the biggest state in the world and the biggest power. So I think when America was found, they were found in peace, liberty and freedom, and pursue a of happiness. And I think you as individually, should try to pursue the same values as the founding fathers. You know, the founding fathers, they were not perfect, but they were the best of their time.

And I think you should try to be the best of your time and create a family and believe in God. And you have to remember, on the Bill of Rights, they were saying, is a self-evident right before the God's eye that you have the right for freedom, for property, and for liberty. So I think that's beautiful.

I think that's amazing. And I think that's what America has to come back to its roots. You fought on the biggest of stages, and then you're fighting at the apex. What did that do for your confidence? What did that do for your psyche, your morale? I think it's the same. It's just a day in my job. Back in a day, I would be peace, you know, Ariel, because back in a day, I used to see myself as a fighter.

I used to see myself as I am as good. as my last fight. I am as good as people see me. But now I don't see that, you know? I am very good. Like, if one day UFC kick me out, it's not going to be,

it's not going to be bad for me. It's going to be bad for them, you know? I don't care. I have a family. I have money, you know. I have a God that I believe. So nothing can bother me really, you know? And the other thing that I'm working on a lot

on the self-improvement, you know? I have been watching a lot of videos, Jean-Rone. Do you know Gene Rohn? I think this guy is amazing. Gene Rohn. And I believe the same. Like, you have to be prepared. It's not why me.

Why me is fighting in the Pax? Why didn't they give me a rank at the point? Why me? Why me? is what now? So every time that the UFC present me with a problem, I say, what now? What I can do? And then I understand, man, I have to go over there.

make myself relevant, fighting in the apex. That's ideal. That's not ideal. You know, if I were in the number card, my message will be way bigger and way greater. But it is what it is.

You have to play with the cards that you get. And that was my cards at the time. And I did a very good job. So despite the two-fight losing streak and you saying that you didn't look good against Benile, your confidence wasn't being affected, you weren't feeling down on yourself, you were still feeling as good about yourself

and your place in the sport because you weren't comparing yourself to just your last opponent and performance you were looking at the totality of your career? No, sport-wise, I was feeling bad, you know? Okay. I was feeling bad because, man, how can you lose to Benio Dariush

and be sane, you know? I don't want to be disrespectful against him. He's not that, but he's not looking good at all. I just think that I was not with the right mind. to believe in myself. But if I lost to Chris Duncan, I don't know. Maybe I was not prepared to the big stage and to fighting the best guys in the world, you know? So I'm saying as an athlete, I was not confident as I am right now. But what I'm saying is nowadays I separate myself from the athlete because I'm not good and I'm not better because I beat Chris Duncan. I am the same

person. I just have more money on my pocket, you know? And money, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm not better, I start as money, more economy, money, money, money, money. But right now I can see money is not the most important thing. It is important. If you don't have anything, it's good to pursue money.

But once you have money, once you have stability, the money doesn't have the same value to me right now. You know, doesn't have the same value. Of course, I want money because I don't want to have to work. I don't want to, after that,

I don't want to be in a regular job. But it's not the, most important. The most important thing for me is my family. Wow. Is money Moikano dead? No, it's not that. I still want money. Okay. And I still like doing money in different ways. May 20, 23rd, I will do a show in Brazil, Money Moikano, MMA, big show, 10 professional fighters. We're going to have like a up-incomeers, young up-incomeers. We're going to have like former UFC fighters, people that fought in contenders. So, oh, thank you so much. You guys are the best. Look at that.

Look at this. You guys are the best. A footprint that does not exist more nowhere. What is this? What is this? Tell us about it. This is, Ariel, maybe people don't know if you could pull out the numbers on my YouTube and if you go to the live streams.

My last biggest live stream was Alex Pereira. I got almost 900,000 views on the Alex Pirata card. Wow. And what I'm doing is, what I'm doing is I'm going live on the fights. So I put my face over there like you're doing, but I'm watching fights and. commentating on the fights. So people in Brazil, they are loving. You know, my live streams are doing pretty, pretty well. The YouTube channel are doing pretty real. And then I thought, okay, I want to do the next step. I want to commentating on shows, watching them on my screen, you know, so people

could see my reaction and could see the fights. And I did that with Karatee Combach. They, thank you so much, Karate Kombat. They allow me to show the fights. And that was huge. I got 25K people life at the same time. I get like 300,000 plus views that was very good. So I thought, okay, what about if I do my own show and I can broadcast on my YouTube channel and I'm commenting. So I found some partners in Brazil that have the same idea that producing shows too like Tiago Pamplona, the guy that was in the website. And a lot of other people are helping me are

involved with that. So it started small. I wanted to just do this live stream and make fun. Maybe even put people without background and fighting just to have fun to commentating, you know? I want to get like subscribers

and we're still doing that. We're going to do the subscribe fighting club. So we're going to put people that don't know have backgrounds in fighting and put them to fight them amateur MMA just for fun. But on top of that, I got

messages from a lot of athletes in Brazil. They want to fight them a show. They want to come to the promotion. And then now it's a big show. Now we have a lot of people. We have a lot of partners like in Brazil, corner men, the place that we're doing, the show, the video.

We have partners, are the same partners that broadcast UFC in Brazil, greenhouse media, the production. So it's going to look amazing. May 23 on Renato Moikano MMI MMI MMI MMI MMI MMI on YouTube

fights live the best fights contenders we're trying to get a heavyweight too we still didn't have we still don't have a heavyweight fight so I think that would be good for the card but we have 10 professional bouts the match making is very good

and like top competition from Brazil did you recently write a book as well about what I don't know. Are you writing a book? Yes. If I'm writing a book? Yeah.

Yes, I did. You did? Listen to life. Yeah. That was like a year ago. We got a lot of sales, yes. Yes. We have this.

In Portuguese or in English? In Portuguese. In Portuguese. Can I get it in English too? Oh, man. I don't have English yet. What's it about? And what's it called?

It's called the six lessons for life. Wow, wow. For life. I didn't know this. Yeah, this book was inspiring of the Ludovine von Mises six lessons of the Austrian school economics. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the same speech that I did on UFC 300,

capitalism, socialist, interventionism, and other topics. So I did that and I correlate with my life. How I got here, you know, how I started in MMA, how each lessons apply to my MMA. and my career, and I went to give some people some advice on how they can become better, how they can do better, how can they improve. Doesn't matter where you started, you know. I know the system is not fair, Ariel.

I'm not preaching here saying that everybody is going to be rich and then everybody is fair. The word is not fair, you know. Nobody is really fair, but you have to do your best from what you have, you know. You have to play your cars. otherwise you're going to be left behind. So the book is about that. Wow. It's very impressive.

Did you write it yourself? Yes. Yes. I did myself. I was not typing. I had a guy that was typing for me, so I would call him. Sure. Like a ghost writer.

A ghost writer. Yeah. I had the ghost writer. I also saw, is there a book out there that was written about your fight against Islam? I don't think so. Yes, yes, yes. It's on Amazon. Hanato-Moycano biography,

the last-minute replacement who stole the show at UFC 311. You know, but you know what is this? This is people scamming. I'm not sure. Don't sue me. But I think what people do is they go to the AI and they make the AI produce a book

and they just sell on Amazon. So you just... What the hell? People do that? People do that all the time. This CI thing is crazy. They do it. I hate it all.

I hate it, too. I don't like So mine was not AI I have a ghost writer So of course The guy put the best words And stuff But everything that is in content

Was I thought And I put on words It's ruining the UFC promos too You see that AI stuff Yes I saw I didn't like at all You know And UFC is not gonna be Very happy with me to say that

No But no I didn't like You know I didn't like I think that's due respect For towards the fans You know Because I am a fan myself

And man, if you can put not Alex Pereira or Topura in an airplane and put in Washington in the front of the White House, I don't think that's good. I think that's sloppy. Yes. I agree. I don't like to use AI on my stuff. I don't like at all. I'm not saying AI doesn't help. Some stuff I use AI, but not for content, you know, not for content.

Because I feel people can see that's sloppy, that's just a sloppy AI. and that's brain rot, brain rotting everybody, right? I agree. I agree. What do you think about the White House card? Dana White says not political. It's nothing to do with politics. It's a love letter to the U.S.

What do you think? I think it is. I think it is. Of course it is. Of course it is, you know. You have the midterms and you have like President Trump is very has ties with, you have seen the meaning that is a good. friend. I saw Don White saying that he's a very good friend of Trump. So I don't see how that's not

political. You know, I'm not saying that is good or that is bad. I'm just saying maybe it's a favor to a friend. Who knows? But he will be used as political for sure. If they would have asked you to be on the card, would you have said yes? I would love it. I would love. I would love it. Even though you say what you say about politics. Yes, of course. I think that I think that was mistake, not putting mind on that. Imagine the speech that would do. Maybe they were right.

Maybe they were wrong. Imagine you, the post-fight interview that you would have given on the White House lawn. It would have been incredible. What would you have said? What would you have said? Man, something along those lines. I love what America was built on.

You know, America was built on immigration. America was built on hard work. America was built on less taxation was built on hard work and dedication and private property. But nowadays, we don't even have private property. You live in New York, right, Ariel? Yes, yes, yes. How much?

I'm not going to ask how much do you pay on your taxes or how much do you pay on the house that you want, but you can tell it's a lot. So how this is private property, you have to pay for your stuff every year, otherwise they're going to rip you off your car. your house, your kids. So I love what America was built on, but I think that America was gone, you know, was gone. So we need to bring that back.

And I think the way to bring that back with not politics is about families. We need to get the families stronger. You have to get like people to work and people to teach the kids what is right and what's wrong. Because don't get me to this, that is right and wrong. And I know some people don't like to hear that, but that is right and that is wrong. And if you don't teach the kids the right way, they will deviate. They will, you know, they will not go towards a good path. And I think especially because the way money was destroyed,

morality is being destroyed too. And this is government. Again, I don't have nothing against persons. I'm not talking about this politician. I get it. That politician is the system. Democracy was designed to be like that, you know. It was designed to be like that.

The most popular guy is going to get the votes. So they have to say wild stuff. It's just like YouTube. It's just like YouTube. If you say wild shit, you're going to get views. It's the same thing in politics. So when you think about that, that's not the right way to conduct a society. You know, I know this is kind of elitist of my part,

but I think there is some people that are, better than others to take some decisions, to have some decisions. The other day, I was seeing that this guy in Brazil, he cannot read, he cannot, he cannot write, and he's going to be voted one of the most voted congressmen. So how this guy is going to make decisions if he doesn't know shit, you know? So I think nobody, I don't think everybody was made to make decisions. You have to be a special man to be able to make decisions in democracy. Sometimes you don't get the right people in the right offices.

Who do you want next and when? I want the hookah next. It doesn't matter where, you know, because that makes sense on the rankings, especially because I agree. I think he's number eight right now. I don't know. I don't know if you have seen going to do that against the turtle in the tree. But I saw a video of Benoit Sandini,

and I think he posted on his Instagram, he posts Dan Ruka, he posts Benoit, he posts Benio Daru, and he posts Rufi. But he didn't post Moikano over there. I wondered why, and he's on the top five. So, of course, I want to do the rematch, or I want to fight Paddy Pimblech. But I think they will do Paddy Pimblech versus Sandini because they write each other. And then we have Renato Mokano and Dan Hooker that they could make the fight.

I don't know if they will make. They have to make that fight. Yeah, I'm not sure. It makes so much sense. Makes sense. But like we are old. You're not that old. Why do you guys keep saying you're old?

We've seen older guys fight each other. You're not that old. Because that's the way you have seen. does what they do, they get new contenders. Yeah. These guys outside the rankings, like Salkid, and they put against the older guy. They're going to do the same because you have to understand, they are trying to running a business over here.

They're thinking about long-term and profit. For them, it's better Salkid beat Ben Yerush. It's way better for him. Like, he's a less than 30 years old guy beat the guy on the rankings. I get it. But at the same time, I think Max Hawley will be a. fight that I would love it. You know? I think he's both. Maybe. I think he's booked. He's who? Connor McGregor. Do you think that fight's going to happen? I think so.

That makes so much sense. Forget about what I say. They need to make that fight. As a fan, they need to make the fight, you know? Forget about it. Doesn't make any sense Moikano versus Max if he will fight McGregor. That makes sense. What do you think wins that? Who do you think wins that? I love Max Hollow. I love Max Hollow. I I am a huge fan of Mike's Holly, but I pray to God for McGregor beats him. Wow. Why? Because you like McGregor or not, he's one of a kind.

He was the biggest star in the sport for a reason. He's the best with the Mike. And especially now, especially now with the BKFC, the lines that he's showing at the press conference. Have you heard the lines? Sure. He's saying like, Mike Perry was a fort in the wind and stuff like that. Did you see that? I think that's genius. I think that's, I want to, I want UFC to be like that again, you know. Yeah, I know. MacIgrego on press conference with McGraths talking a lot of stuff.

I think that would be amazing for the UFC. I think that would be amazing for the lightweight division. And then you have, you have Conan McGregor on the number four, on the top, on the top five. I think that's what UFC needs right now. Before I let you go, Gilbert. Burns retiring this. But let me tell something. That is a guy that I want to fight too. Tell me.

If they don't want to make the fight against the hooker, I want Brian Oterger. You know, he's running for me. I don't know what happened to him. Was undisclosure, the damage that he had on the head. I don't know why it was. Maybe I'm talking shit. I don't know what happened. But I think they have to make the fight because I lost to this motherfucker 10 years ago.

Now it's time. Now it's time for the payback. You know, it's not about money. It's not about business. How are going to be in the rankings? He beat me for the first time. I want to give him back that loss. You know what I mean?

I love that. What a story. What a story. That's a great story. That's a great. Gilbert Burns retiring, your guy? Yes. What were your thoughts when you saw that, the emotion?

And did you know that was coming? No. No. Man, that got a lot of likes. I didn't know that there was a lot of likes. People like you. The people love you. You're on fire.

Let me tell something. Gilbert's, I don't think he was smart. I tell him to that. I don't think he was smart on the last couple of fights that he had, you know, because it's not good. You're 39, you're 38, and you're keeping fighting, competing against these guys. I know you rank it, you know. But like this damage adds on you.

I don't think he would lose to Mike Mallott three years ago. I don't think. I think he's way better than Mike Mallat. But maybe I'm wrong. But you know, losing, losing, lose. You have to take a break. You have to choose better your fights. You know, I know the problem with the fight is this.

You look the guy and you say, I can beat this guy. It can be on the top again. I can beat this guy and I will be right for fight for the belt again. but sometimes you have to give a step back and see how he goes. And I think he didn't take that. Because why I'm saying this, because I feel he wants to fight more. You don't feel that, Ariel. I feel he wants to fight more.

I feel he just realized he cannot, you know. And that's sad. That's sad because his heart is still on the fight, but his body is not. His timing is not. So I think that's not a good way to stop, you know? should keep going? No, I don't think he should keep going because like I say, he realized the same thing that I would say about Duncan. If I had lost to Duncan, maybe I couldn't retire

because if I cannot beat this guy outside the rankings that I know I'm better than him, maybe fighting is not for me. But some guys, they get so attached to the way they see ourselves as a fighter that you see guys like Tony Feggso that keep chasing the field. They keep chasing. And then loss and loss and loss and then you get CTE and then your family. I'm not saying that about Tony Fegg, so I'm giving an example about him, pursuing. Sure. But some of these other guys, every loss that you have going to add. And maybe sometimes you go to the personal life and you don't feel like you're in a good place

and then you want to fight. That's not a good cycle, you know. I don't like the bad cycles. I like the good cycle. So if I see, like Gilbert's, if I see I cannot compete with. these guys anymore, I'm not going to be fighting for a paycheck, you know. I'm smart. I'm young, not for fighting, but for life. I have still a life to do. I still want to contribute with society and with people that help me. So I will find another way to make money. I will find another

ways to help people believe in themselves, you know? I have a lot of story to be reading still. But like Gilbert Burns, I feel like they realize I cannot compete. I have to do something else. And like I say, I think he feels that he wants to compete anymore, but he can't. Maybe I mean a little talking too much over here. So let's end on that. Okay, we'll end on that. What a pleasure you are, Hanato. Really, I genuinely love talking to you.

And I enjoy hearing your thoughts on all sorts of things and always appreciate you coming on and talking to us. And again, congratulations on all the success of your channel. And you pivoting, it's a brilliant thing. And a lot of people, I was telling Charles Jordane about that. He should do more stuff in French because they should take a page out of what you're doing. talk to your audience and especially the underserved audience. Good luck with the event in May. Thank you for letting us know about that.

I'm going to check it out. I'm looking forward to that as well. And congratulations once again on the win earlier this month, my friend. Thank you so much. And just making another point on what you say, I think you should respect every religion. That's true. Yes.

You should respect every religion. But you have to believe and be proud of what you are and what you believe. you know so there is no because the other day me as a Christian the other day was talking about a Russian and he was muslin I don't want to keep this going but I ask do you think my God is wrong

and your God is right? And he said of course of course otherwise I will not follow my religion no I don't believe in that you don't believe in that I know I am I am very proud of who I am and very proud of my people and where I come from but I

don't think less of you or cannot say to you, I cannot say to you your God is wrong and I'm right. I can't say that. I just believe. I think you can. You just have to respect because that is like ideas. That is good and bad ideas. Who am I to say that? Who am I to say that? Who are we to say what's wrong and right? I just want to believe in what I believe in. That is wrong and that is right. What you mean? For sure, 100%. What are you talking about? I'm talking about if the guy say, I think my God is right and yours is wrong, but I respect you as a person. I don't feel attack it by that, you know. But I feel like that's disrespectful towards the religion to say that. Just because

I believe something doesn't mean what you believe in is wrong. And that's what you're saying. I don't think so. You know, I don't think so. Like we could stretch on the idea. We see the same thing. You can see in different perspective. Sure. Somebody will be right and somebody will be wrong. I mean, it depends on morally what you're talking about, right? If someone says, yeah, yeah, yeah. But generally, like, if you go to, if you celebrate Easter, I can't say that that's wrong. If you believe in Jesus Christ, I can't say that's wrong. I believe in my God. I believe in my beliefs and rituals and customs and holidays.

But I have love and respect and say yours are right too. Why not? We should all live in harmony. No, you can respect. But let's take a God. You believe in Jesus Christ and the other guy believe in, I don't know, he believes in multiple gods. Muhammad. No, only Mohammed, because that's easy because it's like monotheist, but let's say somebody

believing, thousands different gods. Sure. Somebody will be wrong. You cannot have one God and you cannot have thousand gods. And I can see, man, this guy is wrong. Says who? Says who? My beliefs, the way I see the world.

I know. I know. We could go on and on about this. Yes, we can. But it's a, thank you so much. We'll leave it at that. No, you're the man, Hanato. Thank you so much.

And we'll talk to you soon. Congrats. was thank you i'm sorry for your time no problem no problem the man hanata moikano great stuff there we appreciate this time very much and his insights don't want to keep our last guest waiting she's been patiently waiting perhaps impatiently as well we apologize for that jasmine jazz de viscius had a big win over the weekend in winnipeg had that five-fight winning streak stumbled a little bit but got right back on the horse against karene silva over the weekend let us speak to the uh niagara top team product who's kind enough to join us right here on this tuesday afternoon sorry

about that. We went into a whole different discussion there, Jasmine, about religion. Apologies. No problem at all. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm doing great. Congratulations on the win, getting back on track. Do you feel like a weight has been lifted? I know that was a bummer against Mano Furo. You were on that great streak, hoping for greater things after that fight. Do you feel like now a weight has been lifted and you're back on track? Yeah, I definitely feel like a weight has been lifted. It's nice to be back in the wind column and, you know, feel like everything's kind of back where it should be and keep on growing to be better than I was like kind of the last fight. And so looking forward to continuing that trend.

How did you deal with the loss? How did you process it? How did it affect you? I mean, it was obviously challenging. to deal with it. I mean, the last thing I want is to be finished in front of my friends and family and everything. It's like the worst thing that could really happen to you. But I discovered that after that, you know, my family still love me, my friends still love me. And anyone who was important to me, like that our relationship didn't change because of what happened because of the

result of a fight. And so I think, like, not that I ever thought that it would or anything, but I'm sure, like, subconsciously that kind of, like, weighed on me and then going through it and then realizing, okay, you know, everything's okay. Like, I think about if I'm hiking to the top of a mountain and on the way up, I end up tripping over a root and scraping my knee, I'm going to be like, okay, well, this journey's done. I'm out of here. I'm going back home. I suck at climbing a mountain. Like, you know, that's not part of it. You know, I dust my knee off and continue up the mountain. Sometimes, and that's tremendous perspective, sometimes when a fighter comes off their first stoppage loss, they're a different type of fighter in the next fight,

maybe a little, you know, gun shy, it's still in the back of their minds. Did you feel like that was on your mind on Saturday. Were you second-guessing yourself at all? Were you thinking about it? Anything like that? Yeah, definitely. Like, you know, I thought that she was actually going to be engaging with me a lot more, like watching her fights. It kind of looked like she would pressure me, or at least try to pressure me. I thought we would have a lot more, like, clashes. And so I kind of was anticipating that. And so it wasn't until like the third that I kind of started like opening up. And I'm like, oh shit. Like I got to go. I can go first. Like she's not really coming back at me. And but yeah, I feel like normally I would have jumped in a lot sooner. But I've learned that you got to respect

those small gloves and anything can happen. It can turn real quick. And so I was definitely very aware of that. Were you feeling pressure? Were you feeling the nerves because of the last fight? Oh, yeah, of course. Like, coming off of a loss, like, that would suck. I can't imagine going a second loss after the one that I just had. And, like, oh, that would just hurt me so much.

And so I'm so thankful that I didn't have to experience that. And, you know, back in the wind column and we're kind of. right back where we need to be. There has been some talk, a whole bunch of talk about your fight, especially online. Were you chewing gum or something? I don't know.

I'm not trying to. No, I'm just kidding. Well, okay. You know, what was that? It's so funny, because I'm literally probably the only person in the gym that does it. You go to practice at like 11 o'clock,

and you ask everyone to show what's in their lip. I guarantee that everyone, everyone's got a zinn in other than me like i'm like one of the only people in the gym that that doesn't use those nicotine pouches so it's so funny that everyone is like saying that i have this nick pouchin a teammate of mine actually did fight in hendoros like two weeks ago with a nick pouch in he like showed it after but um but no i train with gum and i was warming up with gum i sometimes like, you know, I've fought with gum in the past, but I forgot to spit it out before the walkout,

and it was just still in my mouth, and, you know, it's better than a toothpick. Okay, it is better. We had this conversation yesterday on the show, and I hypothesized, I'm like, I don't feel like Jasmine would fight with a nicotine patch, not hating on anyone. It just doesn't seem like you're starting.

I was like, maybe it's just gum. Like, you know, you kind of press it here when you're trying to hide it. That's what it felt like to me, but everyone ran with the nicotine pouch thing. Yeah, no, I think it's hilarious. That's why I don't really care. Like, it's funny to me that everyone's talking,

hey, I like that people are talking about it. Now, have you fought before in the UFC with gum in your mouth? Possibly, but... Probably not the best, right? You could choke on it, right? Yeah, but that's on me. That's not on anyone else. Like, okay, if I choke on it, then I'm the one that...

Sure, sure. Whatever. But I always, I always train with gum. Oh, wow. And, like, I've sparred with gum, everything. Like, so it's not, it's not, like, an odd thing for me to have gum in my mouth. I definitely had it in the warm up. I just didn't even think of it.

Like, with my mouth garden, I still, like, chew it normal. And then I just kind of tuck it in my lip. And then after, you know, sitting down while you're taking a rest, you have a couple of chews and then back at it. What's the go-to? Do you have a go-to kind of gum, flavor, anything like that? Yeah? Yeah, I pretty much will only have like peppermint because I don't like any, like, something sweet.

I feel like that kind of upsets my stomach. So I just, I always keep gum in my bag and, you know, anytime. Sometimes you feel like your cardio's a little bit, like not all. off, but in the middle of the round or middle of practice, I'll be like, oh, you know, I'm kind of tired. I'll have some gum, and then I'm like, maybe it like helps regulate my breathing or something. I don't know, but I enjoy it. Yeah, maybe.

I saw before the fight you were talking about with Fulcena MMA, you were talking about the jazz choke. Did you go for it? And even if not, what is the jazz choke? I can't tell you because I want to hit it. Okay, okay. You made this up? So I think that I made it up.

I don't know for sure because I've asked my coaches, they're like, yeah, that's not really it. And I asked Mikey, who's like the encyclopedia of submissions and martial arts and everything. And I asked him and his jiu-jitsu coach, like, hey, this is my truck. Did I make this up? Like, is this real? And they're like, well, it is now. So I think I did make it up. Did you try?

Obviously, you didn't hit it, but were you trying, were you thinking about it in the fight? There was a point that I was thinking about it and I tried to go for it. Like, kind of, but you have to get a specific reaction for it, and I didn't get that reaction. So I had to move on. So, meaning from the opponent, obviously. You're trying to bite on something. Is it a flying go-go-plata? No.

That would be incredible. Any hints as to what it could look like? Obviously, it's unique, right? It's a choke. It's a choke. Okay, okay, wow, wow. Yeah. And when did you come up with this?

So I, there's this one choke that I hit in the room all the time. And then when they would defend, then I would have to go to this one because it was like, when they would defend, I would lose it. I would lose it. So then I was like, okay, I feel like I'm still in a good position. what can I do? And then I kind of like reverse engineered it. And then I've been hitting in the room for like, I don't know, a couple of years. So I just, I want to hit it in a fight so bad.

Okay. And the official name is the jazz choke, right? I like that. I like that name. It's a good name. It's a good name. It works. Overall, are you happy with the fight?

Are you happy with your performance? I'm happy with being in the wind column. I'm happy with my growth in regards to patience and like not like there were there were times where I was kind of like locked in. She was good at locking me in and almost like stalling the position. But it was making me not be able to like generate any power for some ground upon. And I was kind of like locked up and stuck. I knew I wasn't in like a threat of getting finished. But at the same time, I was stuck in a precarious situation that I don't really like being.

Right. So I'm not happy kind of like in my performance. I have a little bit of like blue balls in regards to like being able to actually like fight. You know what I mean? But I'm happy with like the progression of how I am. am becoming as a martial artist and yes i i understand that it is a little bit more of a boring performance than i would like to have but it's it shows like signs of growth and i i look forward to being able to kind of put it together more in the future like i've i've only been doing this

10 years now so i i'm still really like coming into my own and figuring out my style and figuring out what works for me. And so I'm happy with my journey. You know, yesterday we spoke to Mike Malott, and he told us that he doesn't like to really pay attention to the other fights leading up to his. He's fighting in the main event. But obviously, he's paying attention to you. You're his teammate, and it gives him a boost before he fights to see you do well.

Prior to your fight, it was a tough stretch for the Canadians. Were you paying attention to any of that? You've got your own thing, your own journey, your own story. but were you thinking, man, I need to get us back on track? Does that thought cross your mind at all? So I'm like Mikey. I'm not watching the fights. I'm not watching what's going on.

So I didn't know. I was just ready to like do my thing and what I can do to like be the best that I can be. And so I didn't know. I'm happy that everything went to plan. What was it like for you to see your good friend and teammate Mike Malott as the guy for this card? You know, I said to him it feels like when he fights, even if he isn't the main event, he's sort of the Canadian main event these days. But now he was the main event against the legend. And the whole show was kind of built around him and his spot on the card to see someone that you're so close with.

Get that opportunity and then pass that test the way in which he did. What was that like for you? unbelievable to see mike like you know like you said past that test literally with flying colors like his his wrestling defense looked amazing his striking looked amazing like we know how talented and skilled gilbert burns is and for mikey to go in there and look the way he did like it it's unbelievable it's that's such an inspiration for me to to watch him to to see his fight posters to see his name like Malap verse burns and stuff it's like very inspiring inspiring for me because I see him do it and I'm like okay it is possible like I I would be able to be in that spot one day and I'm just so happy

for Mike to this is a dream of his since he that since he was a child and for him to be able to fulfill this dream and to do it in such a spectacular manner, it's, I don't know, man, it makes my heart explode for them. I love that. I could see the genuine love and respect that you two have for each other, and it's great to see. What was it like being in Winnipeg, by the way? Dana seemed to enjoy it, but also implied that they may not be back because I think, I don't know, the gate wasn't that great or something like that. I don't know. What was it like being in Winnipeg? I had a great experience in Winnipeg. The crowd was electric.

It was so loud in there. They were very supportive, like, screaming our names. When Mike was in there, holy the chance were nuts. I thought it was a great place. I mean, if I didn't know, I thought the place was sold out for how loud it was. but and it was cool like the it's crazy the weather in winnipeg it would be like a 30 degree swing in like 10 hours in the in the morning it would be like freezing the afternoon you could wear like a sweater and then in the evening it's freezing again like it was like freezing to the point where you

need to have like mitts and scarf and hat like the whole kitten caboodle um it was so it was very like interesting to be there. I, uh, I didn't mind how cold it was, like going for walks around the city and, uh, you know, exploring the city a little bit, a little bit rough, but, uh, whatever. It was, it was a cool town to experience. I know you're a little bit newer to M.A. You've told us about, like, how you got into the sport and as a fan and whatnot, but I'm just curious, um, next month, Ronda Rousey and Gina Carrano, two pioneers and trailblazers are going to fight. Does that, fight mean anything to you? Are you interested in that fight because of who they are and what they represent? Yeah, definitely. I'm like any any more hype that women's fighting is like bringing

to the sport, like look at Rhonda Rousey who's one of the OG. It's like I'm thankful to her for paving the weight for like women like me. And I look forward to watching that fight and seeing how she's progressed. How soon do you want to return? as soon as possible. I'm, you know, no injury. Yeah, you're good. I'm, I'm ready to get back in there. I last layoff was like six months. I'm definitely not trying to be off for that long. I'm here for a good time, not a long time. And you've said the Tracy Cortez fight is one that annoys you. You want that one. Is there another name? Are there anyone, you know, is there anyone else that comes to mind that you want? Is it Tracy right now that you're focusing on? What do you think?

thinking. I know I'm down whoever whoever's kind of ranked above me and I obviously would like any fight I want to stay active so whoever's available like I know um it may see barber just fought maybe she'll be available soon blanchefield might be available soon I don't assume they would put me against grosso I was you know she just had that big win so she'll probably fight up but uh that'd be a good fight if that happened as well. So I don't know. The world is my oyster. So whoever is available and kind of at the quickest time, then that would be awesome. I think Grasso's win is one of the greatest finishes in the history of the sport. I still can't get enough. Anytime I see it, I have to watch this. I'm still not sure if it's a sub or knockout. A, what do you think of

it? And B, what would you classify it as a sub or a knockout? I think a sub just because, like, she did tap. I mean, if it was a knockout, maybe, like, the ref would have, like, jumped in first. She might have been too quick for the ref. That's how amazing it was. I know. No, that was so sick. It was unbelievable.

Like, watching that live was super cool. Yeah, she's unbelievable. As are you. So congratulations on the win. Well done. I'm glad we cleared up the pouch controversy that's been sweeping the intense. entire sport. Everyone's been talking about this.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but I think it actually got you street cred, by the way. You might want to walk it back, because I think people thought it was super cool. Yeah, maybe I got a whole bunch of it. I'll have to go to the gym with just my lips all path is in. Or maybe you get a sponsorship out of it. You know, there's a lot.

Hey, if any nick companies, I'll start putting them in. You just signed with one. FRE. They just announced it like last week. So FRE, if you're watching, hook up Jasmine. Hey. You'll train with one, right?

You'll spar with one. For sure. I'm already doing it with God. I can throw one of those in no problem. Amazing. Thank you, Jasmine. Congratulations on the win, and we'll talk to you soon. Appreciate it.

Thank you so much. Always a great to chat with you. By the way, loss or no loss, we still got the cup right here, all right? Oh, you're the man. And we still drop your name every time I forget how to pronounce it. What was it, Frank? There it is. Just in case.

Just in case someone gets it wrong. We got your back. Thank you, Jasmine. All right. Love you, Ariel. Have a good one. Take care. There she is.

Jasmine. Jazz DeVisius, after the big win on Saturday. A lot of people, look, got a new sponsor. I saw that. T-K-O-F-R-E. Hook her up. Factor cap. Pouch or no pouch?

I don't know. There were some. 100% fact. Okay. We trust our girl, Jasmine. Come on. I know. There were a lot of people.

What? Hey, what happened to the jersey? Gone? Yeah, I can't rock it all day. That's it, right? It's a little tight. Smells? Yeah.

I'm hanging up behind me. Factor cap. Factor cap. Let's look at the picture. See it one more time. Yeah, what's the story? All I'm going to say is, I've never heard anyone who doesn't use nicotine to call it a Nick Pouch.

That just sounds like something you do. That's street cred right there? She called it a Nick Pouch. That's gum. That looks like gum. It's gum. Also, Mike Malott, kind of smiling and being like, I don't know what you're talking about yesterday

Do you know why? Because I think he probably uses it in sparring and stuff because she just said the team does which I guess there's nothing wrong with that right? So if you use it in a fight, why not use it in a fight? He probably was assuming yeah everyone does it. I actually believe her and the way the shape of that thing and the way it

looks, nicotine patches from what I've seen are a little bit more rectangular that was a little bit more like it had no shape like a piece of gum that you would You keep it more in the cheese A giant tooth. No.

I believe the gum. We support our girl. I believe. Truth. We go back to Darren Till for a moment. God. He was in rare form. It was fantastic.

My only complaint was that the audio was incredible and at times it was choppy video. We get what we can. What was the line about, okay, first of all, the mongloids might need to be a new, no, bad word?

Oh, I don't know. What does that even mean? You can look it up later. Okay. I mean, knows what his in-house looks like. Away from that. I thought it was like something that you...

Okay, all right. I'm not going to say. But what's that movie? What's that movie with the characters? The movie. The movie with the character? The Goonies? Yeah.

No, not the Goonies. Where they have the... The Mongoloid on it. Yes. Yeah. That's what I thought he was referring to. Apparently I need to brush up. But he's calling these fighters that.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. What was the other one? I'm told it's derogatory. Okay. What was the other one? when he was like,

I don't want to slag Dana off on here. I quite like Dana. And then he called Dana a terrapin. A terrapin? And then there was the other one. What do he call, like, Malki and them? Oh, there was another word. I wish I wrote these down.

Numpty or something? What was that? Well, numpty we know. Nobti's an all-timer. Yeah, we did our British slang. Numpty's a bang. He had like five or six bangers. He had five or six bang.

Oh, when he was like, he was like, man, everybody in the fight game, I don't like anyone. You know, people are like, oh, you know, he's all right. Nah, he's a C word. No, well, actually, he's an even bigger C word when he was describing other people. So good. And he has a moment there where he's like, should I say what I feel? Like, you got a, here's the thing about Darren.

You have to respect the fact that you know he's friends with Tom Aspinall. You know he's friends with these people. But he tells you truly how he feels. Good, bad, and different PC, not PC. Like, he just kind of tells you how he feels, which I appreciate. I appreciate. it's a good way to be because even if those people hear something out of your mouth that they may not like, they do know that that's your genuine feeling, right?

There's not an artifice to it, right? Now, don't get me wrong. That probably rubs people the wrong way in certain scenarios. But you do know, at face value, you're getting what, you know, your, Darentill is telling you what he truly believes, and it's not coming from a place of necessarily malice. He's just trying to say, this is how it is. I still love you. He was on fire, man.

He was on fire. I never thought he would sign with BKFC. Same. I mean, the way he talked about it for so long. Never thought he would sign with BKFC. You kind of feel like he doesn't want to fight for BKFC, to be honest. Why? I got the sense that he was okay now.

I mean, I think he actually literally said it. He literally said, like, I don't really want to do this, but the money is great. I don't want to get my face roughed up, carved up. I don't want any of this. And so maybe that's a sign of the times. but I think he could be a huge draw. I thought that he was perfect for misfits. I thought he was perfect to be the poster boy of misfits.

Well, his point remains. Like, who's he going to fight? In misfits? Yeah, get him somebody. I mean, they could have gotten him. I mean, the Carl Frotch fight was tremendous. I mean... But it wasn't going to happen.

He could have had a few more boxing matches there. He said he still wants to box, so it's not like it's off the table. I thought, honestly, I thought Eddie would have been a good one for him. Who? Eddie Hearn. Meaning like doing a deal with Eddie and going down the Molly McCann path. I thought you were saying Eddie Hearn to box. No, no, no, no.

Like linking up with Eddie to go down the... Sure? You know. Yeah. Oh, to make a legit run for matchroom you're saying. Yeah. Nah, this is better. I mean, it probably is better from a pay standpoint.

That's for sure. This is better. It seems like from the way he's talking, especially about Tom. Like, that's what matters most to him. The pay? Yeah. Yeah, at this point, yeah. I mean, he's in his mid-30s.

Not quite mid-30s. So he was incredible. Hanato Moikano was incredible for different reasons. Everyone was great. Yusuf Salah was great. Very excited about all the people that he's met along the way. Yeah, he's just got that energy. He's got that thing, whatever that is.

He's got that laugh, too. Always smiling, always laughing. Got a huge opportunity. This is a fight that I'm dying. Yeah, like I love this fight. Oh, my God. I mean, it's kind of the fight, it's sort of the fight that Moikano was talking about. Quincel Giel, like, young versus old.

I'll just still very much a factor in his prime, but, you know, Yusuf's on the come-up, so to speak, cracking, you know, the knocking on the top 10. Yeah, it's old guard and five, actually, I should say. 100%. So there's, there's a lot at stake here. I wish it wasn't at the apex, but, you know, feels like a legit fight night main event to me. Oh, this could be on a main card of a pay-per-view. Yes. And the craziest part, this was supposed to be Brady Buckley,

another fight that is now on the main card of a paper view. I don't know why they chose this Apex card to make the main event a fantastic fight, but shout out. Yeah. All right, back to the news and notes here. Let me get my little sheet. Okay, what else? Oh, Rosedomi Yunus.

Okay, so Rosedomai Yunus, we know she had eye surgery. She couldn't. What did they say? that like it was awful blow her nose and remember that video that we showed and she had the tube for three months. Well, she got the tube out now. This is this is quite graphic, I must say. But it's kind of fascinating to watch and it sounds like she's on the road to recovery. Here's the video, courtesy of her Instagram.

Oh, my dear. Okay, pause it if you can, pause it so I can read. So you want to be a fighter three months, and now I'm healthy finally. Thumb and I are all fired up. I'm a bit out of shape, but I'm cleared to train now. I really hope I pox will be taken more seriously in the future. I propose instant purse deduction, even for an accident, an accident that could seriously affect a fighter's health long term anyways.

I'm just grateful that it was not more serious. It's not the gloves, hashtag. So we wanted to get a sense for what exactly that was. you can see there was some sort of like plastic, what would you say? What would you call that? Like a, not a, not like a, not like a stint. A stent. Anyway, there was someone in the comments,

Cutman Chris, I do believe, his name is, who wrote, for those wondering, I work in oculoplastics, oculoplastics. That's a silicone stent that goes into your lacrimal. Did I get that right? Ducks and is tied off in. your nose usually. You keep it there for a period of time so that the lacrimal system where

your tears drain, which is why your nose runs when you cry. Wow, interesting. Stays intact. In case of injury or blockage, if that duck gets out, you have to reattach it together and place a tent in there to keep its shape. There are a few different stents that can use, they can use, but this is the typical one and timing in the ducks varies based on need, there you go. Okay, a few typos in there, but there you go. There's the explanation of what she had to overcome there, which is insane. It is insane. And I know she's been very adamant about the eyepokes and about the aftermath.

Good for her. She should speak about it all. New footage of Alex Pereira training with Glover Tashara. What do we got? What do we got? Perra training with Glover Chera. I've not seen this. Oh, oh. To the body. Up top, left hooked, left hooked, right. Boom, boom, boom, boom. He's a big boy. For Glover. He is getting, he's getting battered. That's June 14th, obviously, co-main event. We do have the poster. There's a new poster for the White House card. Is that true?

This just looks like a square version. Yeah. Dan, why is this the new poster? What's new about this? Josh Hokit's name is there. Yeah, they added Hokit and Lewis to it. It's interesting. They release different aspect ratios, and I just grab this one. I actually like this poster.

I don't mind that one bit. Yeah, it's not bad. It's actually one of the nicer posters and it doesn't look like your typical UFC poster, right? With the square thingy on top and all that. Like, I think the sky looks nice. Obviously, the White House is there. All the fights are on there.

This is a solid poster. This is a very solid poster. I'm down. Do you think it's supposed to look like the Paramount logo? 100% yeah. The star is coming in. You think so? 1,000%.

Wow. Wow. Wow. All right. Shout out to them. June 6th, meta apex. What do we got? Is this the main event?

No. The main event is, isn't it Belal versus Bond Fem? Oh, right. Okay, so these are fights that have been added. Brendan Allen against Edmund Shabazzian. We found out about this one yesterday. Bryce Mitchell against Victor Henry That one's fun

I like that one Oh our boy He's back Let's fucking go Man on the apex from the O2 Okay Mr. Matt Schnell Shout out to him

All these were announced Yeah Dropped it at once It's all coming together Love it That's June 6 You'll see Vegas They're not going with

The Metapex No they They like the meta apex You know Yeah I get it Speaking of dropping What about these photos of Eddie Hearn that were dropped. I mean, the timing is

interesting. Look at Eddie on the cover of men's health. I mean, some can of piss he is here. Look at this guy. AI? No. Photoshop? Photoshop for sure. A.I. No. You think Photoshop for sure? They're touching it up. You don't think a magazine touches up their photos? That's your... Ooh, yeah. That doesn't look like it's a magazine shot, to be honest. Well, that feels like an Instagram shot. That's a normal one. He actually just posted a side-by-side from him in four years ago.

Let me see, let me see. Yeah, Danos pulling it up. Okay. Wow. Eddie Hearn. Look at him. Yeah. Whoa.

Four years ago on the left. Four years ago on the left. 2022. He says he looked like a chubby teen wolf. He still thought I was the nuts, but all over the gaff, no muscle, bad lifestyle, and heading down on one-way street. I mean, it does raise the question is he shaving his body hair now at this point? I mean, for sure.

A thousand percentage. Yeah. That is a lot of. body hair, by the way. Maybe we're waxing. Who knows? Oh, yeah, maybe we could be waxing. So he's removing is what you're saying, but what exactly is he doing to remove it? Are we doing it? pampering ourselves? By the way, I mean,

you know, looks like maybe a little TRT in the formulation there. You think so? Why? Why? Why? This is a transformation. Wait, shade? Why is a shade? Tier T's allowed. You hear all these fighters say that they can't wait to retire so that they could get on these things. That's true. Just once I want to see

a before shot have good lighting. It never has the right kind of lighting, right? Talking about like the Alex Jones, you know, before and after. It's just, but no, this is quite... No, this is an actual transformation, for sure. Good for him. Do you think that he's dropping this as a subtle sort of like, come at me, bro? Not so subtle.

Not so subtle. He wants the smoke, let's do it. He's going to be on the cover of ring magazine next. I saw Patty Pimlet talking about this fight. Did you see this over the weekend? Patty Pimble's saying that, oh, you know, 30 million, they would both be making more than... Matchroom fighters or UFC fighters, isn't that crazy.

Talking about how he would pick Dana DeWing because he's his boss. I guess he's his boss. I mean, technically he's his boss. More of his promoter, I would say, than his boss, but fine. Kind of weird to describe him as such. And then I heard him say that it was very, what was the word that he used, teenage girlie or something to describe the feud? Did you guys see this?

Anyone see this? In an interview with IFL? I missed this one, yeah. I just thought it was funny to him saying, like, you know, it's teenage girly. These two guys are, you know, fighting about business. Like, they're not just fighting because they don't like the way they look at each other. They're fighting about business.

It's a turf war. It's territories. Like, there's a lot of money at stake here. Nothing about it really feels all that teenage girly to me. And maybe some of the words that are being used to this. The discourse definitely feels teenage girly. I'll be honest. Listen, the reason I'm bringing this up is it's very pot calling the kettle black.

I mean, Patty, of all people, the terms that he uses to call people, the way he speaks about people, me included, that's teenage girly. Like the words that he uses to describe people, the fights that he picks, the insults, that to me is like, what, what are you talking about? These two guys are actually, like, two very powerful guys that are fighting for the same turf. They're fighting within the fight game, trying to take over, one's trying to take over, one trying to preserve. Like, it doesn't feel that teenage girly to me, if I'm being honest. It feels like two alphas trying to impose their will on each other, trying to say this, that, and the, I mean, like, I don't know, I just, obviously there's insults and obviously some of it is quite low brow. But coming from him, I was like, come on, man. Yeah, I mean, sausage, this.

What are the words that he uses? He uses all kinds of words to describe people. Their insults are, you know, the repertoire of insults that they use, including Darren. Maybe it's a Liverpool thing. Maybe that's the difference. I just think it's the fight game. It always gets nasty. Yeah.

There's nothing very teenage girly about it. I don't know. On behalf of all the teenage girls out there, I was feeling, you know, I was feeling. Why are you speaking on behalf of the teenage girls? I was feeling that they needed some sort of backing. You're the advocate for the teenage girls? I felt like they needed, you know, some sort of backing. The alliance of teenage girls would like to thank Ariel Hawanee for the backing.

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Speaking of boxing, there was supposed to be a Queensberry event. in the City of Lights this weekend in Paris, but unfortunately that has been cancelled. Here's our good friend Darshan, writing that due to Lawrence O'Cole's failed drug test, his fight with Tony Yoka is off.

Queensberry has announced that Yoka will not be facing a replacement opponent, and instead the whole event has now been canceled. That is a bummer. Not a lot of big events, not a lot of big shows coming to Paris as far as boxing is concerned. And I know that last week, Matrum had an event headline by Callum Smith, he fell off the card, but they kept it going. Put Ben Whitaker in the main event, got the win, Mollum McCann on there as well.

So a tough, tough blow for our good friends over at Queensberry and for the Parisian boxing fans. Do we have any superchats? It's one of the all-time greats that one. I agree. It's tough. Benjamin Turk says, screw that game. Did you see the Wolves and Nuggets game? Way better.

game. So we were actually talking about this before the show started. The Knicks game was supposed to start a date. By the time it actually started, it was like, I don't know, 810, 8.11. It was fun to see them on NBC and all that. The first quarter ended at about 846. By the time the game was done, it was like early 11 o'clock, 11.05, 11.0 whatever. This game, this Timberwolves game, ended at, I think, like, 1.45 or something like that. So, no, I did not see it. But it's a shame because the wolves and the nuggets typically have the best series, and they've been playing each other a lot, regular season, obviously playoffs as well. And it feels like the vast majority of the country and the world is asleep when they're playing. I saw the highlights, saw

Aunt Edwards, saw Devo, love Dante DiVenzo, and I miss him dearly, and I wish he was still in the Knicks. He would have made that shot at the buzzer. but I didn't get to see it. I did see a clip. I don't know if you guys saw this of Julius Randall, like poking Yokic in the stomach repeatedly in the post. How is that not called a foul? I don't get it.

I actually sent it to our good friend Chuck Mindenhall, who's a diehard Nuggets fan, who I know definitely stayed up to watch that, and he was quite frustrated. But that's a great series. A lot of great series, by the way. A lot of great series in the NBA and NHL playoffs right now. I'm still very salty about what transpired yesterday,

but, you know, part for the course. What else, Frankie? What else? Jake from Wendy City, fans camping out at the MGM to stock talent after mania is horrible. I don't blame Punk for knocking that one guy's phone down. Utter creeps.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how they... So I saw the video that this gentleman is talking about, our good friend, and I guess it's a shout out to Jake. I guess it's I think it's punk's wife, AJ, and I think Bailey having a moment and someone's just up there

with a camera and punk is upset. Like, why would you film that? I don't know. I guess you could say you're in the public space, so everything's fair game. The wrestlers need to be put somewhere else. They can't just be among the public.

There just has to be some sort of separation. And there used to be a time where the UFC fighters were always at the M.G. and stuff like that, and now a lot of them get Airbnbs and all that. And I, I don't, you know, I don't blame them. At the very least, if they're going to be there, there has to be beefed up security. You know what I mean? There has to be beefed up security. There has to be someone like standing, or multiple people standing there, hey, you can't come here, you can't film here, leave them alone.

I don't know what the answer is. And I know that, I know that wrestlers have been dealing with this for quite some time, people coming up to them in the airport. Could you imagine? imagine wrestling and then waking up at 3 o'clock in the morning going to the airport and, you know, your body is broken, you're tired, you're exhausted, and now you've got people coming up to you with a stack of pictures asking for autographs. It's awful. It's awful. Now, I know the alternative is, oh, you know, you ask for this, you're famous, this and that, but like there has to be some kind of boundary. So, I don't know, is punk getting heat for this? I see more support for it, if I'm being honest.

Really? I think a lot of people are kind of in punk's corner in this one. I'm happy to hear that because I don't really think that he did anything wrong. And by the way, hitting a phone out of someone's hand, like, is that an offense? I mean, I... Probably, yeah. Is it? Yes.

It's not punching them. No. If someone's getting in your space with a phone, to smack it out of their hand. What's wrong with that? Yeah, you're not allowed to do that, but it is, yes, it is not a... as bad as if he had punched him. I'm glad he didn't. Is there a law against smacking phones?

I wonder. Yeah, you can't just do that. Let's see. Google. What? By the way, if you just write can you smack, you know,

and it gives you like the different options? There's a lot of weird ones. What about how we go with this one? One of my favorite one. One of them is, can you smack a puppy on the nose? Can you smack your child on the bum? Who's to check?

Can you smack? a dog's bum? Can you smack a child in England? 30 million for the kitchen scrap. Can you, wait, wait, no, I don't want the child one, gosh. Can you smack a phone out of someone's hand? Here it is. Shout to Billy Madison. Smacking a phone out of someone's hand is generally considered illegal, often consulting criminal, or constituting criminal assault or battery. Yeah, well, you can't do it. That's not fun. What are you going to go on a phone smack people's phones out of their hands? No, but I mean, you get up in my grill, you're filming me. I think it's situational. Again, I think everybody here agrees that we're on the side of CM Punk here in this scenario.

Yeah. But at the same time, if you're asking by the letter of the law, he is not supposed to be doing that. He's defending his lady. Is there a warrant out for CM Punk's arrest? No, the guy said he doesn't want to press charges. He just wants an apology. Ah, good cat that guy is. I don't know that the apology is coming.

It ain't coming, bro. I'm sorry. Don't hold your breath, brother. By the way, what does he want an apology for? For spanking the phone? And then, and then Puck says, I want an apology for you going up to my wife and filming her. Like, by the way, that's not normal behavior.

You don't just walk up to people and start filming them. That too is a little bit of weird. The videos that I've seen have started too far into what's happening for me to suss out any understanding of what's going on. but I do I stand with CM Punk here just give people some privacy a little bit What else Frank?

All I do is UFC says Ever imagine today's landscape If Brett were allowed To take his belt with them Thank goodness The heartbreak could have the backboat To save the entire game This guy again

This guy again Nothing would have happened You know what Nothing would have happened What they should have done was And Brett wasn't Brett wasn't threatening To take the belt

I know they've spun that narrative and all of you people like to believe it, what he wanted was a DQ in Montreal and then dropped the belt the next day. That's what he wanted, but they weren't willing to do that. They told them they were willing to do that. It's on tape, wrestling with shadows, one of the all-time great wrestling documentaries. They told them they were willing to do that, but they didn't do that, and then they screwed him. Awful. So yes, I know, I know, I know. This guy is the one that got me all fired up last week. HBK is fine.

He's just, he's not the greatest of all time. So what else, Frankie? What else? Mr. K-4092 says White House card needs Moikano

post-fight speech. Yeah, that's not happening, unfortunately. I do think it would have been funny. Sorry, that was, I got some, like, saliva on the throat there.

That would have been crazy. But you know what? Josh Hokit might say some crazy stuff too. Could you imagine six months ago Josh Hokit being on the White House card poster? What a world.

No. What a life. I actually could not. The fact that this happened is still blowing my mind. Forget six months ago. A month ago. Yeah. Two weeks ago.

Like even going into the Blades fight, no one was really talking about it. No. You were framing questions to Curtis Blades being like, you're the favorite fighter in all of MMA right now because you're fighting Josh Oket. Yeah. It's actually...

Yeah. It's crazy. But in a way, it's the American dream. Right? I like that. What else, Frankie? What else? Sleido wants to know. There is a French rapper named Nobody Likes Bertie with a song named Ariel Hawani.

Can you listen at home and report back? Also, what is the guy saying? There's a French rapper named Nobody... Serious? Yeah. I can confirm. Dan could actually... There's a real song?

There's a real song. A majority of the song is just like, I don't know, crazy graphic lines. But then eventually he comes to a line where he says, I'm going to beat the crap out of everyone. then I've got the interview with Ariel and then he drops like a soundbite from the show of you saying into our next guest hello my friend very nice to meet you

Wow I thought you were going to say that he says something like he wants to beat the crap out of me No he doesn't say anything bad about you He just says then I got an interview with Ariel Is it in French? It's in French yeah This is insane can I listen to it?

No we're not listening to it now Translator because he speaks French Is it on Spotify, Apple? I just go over there I found. Robben in the DHS production. Okay, what do we got? Oh, there's a YouTube?

Nobody likes Bertie. Shout out to nobody likes Bertie. Yeah. How many views we got it? 25K views. Whoa, it's from two years ago. Yeah. How do we not know this?

Nobody likes Bertie. Okay. It's true, Frank. It's true. Birdio, beaucoup, Bocou, the telephone. Cheval the run.

Yo, should I, what should I write in here? Shout out. Yeah, but can, are you watching it with the subtitles? Give us the English. Out of the Bertie. Tell us what he's saying. Oh, how do I get subtitles up in this? Okay, okay, okay.

Substance. Can we get the English subtitles or I have to do it on the fly? Yeah, it's like you're like in the background at this point. I have it entirely translated. You do? You do? Yeah. Okay, okay.

You said it's vulgar, though? Yeah, some of them are. He looks like Timothy Shalameh, this guy. Is it him? I don't remember feeling that when I looked at the video, but I'm going to take your word. I'm currently watching it right now for the first time. He does not look like to me. He looks exactly like.

Arios? Ariel's ability to identify people who look similar is... Frank's going to text me later being like, hey, man, they don't know. Talk about your comparison. Yeah, I still can... Oh, wait, wait. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so I just saw it. I just saw it. Okay. But they spelled my name wrong in the... in the CC. Well, that's automatically generated. Yeah, that's stupid AI. Substance.

Parcha, je cast la guille. Okay, I'm going to break your jaw in front of the entire world. After that, I get the interview with Ariel Hwani. Why is my name the title, though, if it's just that one line? It's about fighting and then he's, then you're doing the interview. Shout out that nobody likes. This is the, this is the crowning achievement. This is the pinnacle. The knockout is one thing, but speaking to you after is the, is the moment. You're going to walk into your house tonight and be one, you know, one thousand. No, no, no. Before, that nobody likes Bertie. Yo, what thousand percent? You have no idea. I'm not even going to take my shoes off,

before I do this to my kids. Actually, you should just put it on. No, no context. And then when they come in and ask about it inevitably, be like, wait, you guys, you guys don't listen to nobody likes bird? Oh, my God. They're going to pretend like they're not impressed, and then they're going to tell their friends about it.

Can this be our new theme song? And why did it take us two years to find out about it? Yeah, it is weird that he didn't even try to, like, get in contact with you. Or maybe he did, but. If you skip to 30 seconds in, that's when your cameo is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I saw that part. Is there any other mention of me?

It's only a two-minute song here. Oh, you need more. Sorry. Protected neck. Why could we play that and not this one? No, we just, like, we don't want to get into this. He looks so much like Shalame, this guy. Oh, Jesus, crazy.

It's unbelievable. Got it up still? Let me see. It's actually, wait, you didn't even see it? No, I saw it earlier, and I don't remember. for one millisecond thinking that this man He looks like Shalame's long-lost twin. Brother, he's literally, he's in a hoodie with the hood up, pulled tight.

This guy does not look. I can't wait for these commercials. Hey, chat, let me know if he looks like Shalami, all right? Here we go, here we go. Good God. Okay, so a white guy with a wispy mustache auto, Shalamee? I put it in the chat. This is offensive.

Oh, my Lord. He could not look any less. Without the hood. Oh man. Hold on. Dan, I'm going to send you a screenshot. We need this up for your app. Yo, someone in the chat said, I'm going bald. What's up with that? I finally look at the chat. Chat, what do you think? Chalame-esque? Shalamala. How good. Shalamat?

Yeah. Is that? There we go ahead. Is that how you write his name now? No. All right, Colin Avery, 991.8. 1-18 weighing in, not even a little. Not even a little? There he is. There's Timothy Shalame.

All French people look the same. First of all, you took the wrong pick. You chose the wrong pick. I was talking about the one with the hoodie on. Get the hoodie on. Get the hoodie on real quick. You can't see any of his characteristics. You can't see him at all.

Then he looks like Timothy Shalame. Get the hoodie on real quick. Get the hoodie on real. What does the chat say? Chat. There it is. He looks nothing like him. What language?

He looks as much less Shalemi's Bruce Wilson, Shalome, Chat Chill talking about Ariel, thanks, looks nothing like him, gave him a complex, thanks. G.C.'s for sure, okay, that newsworthy, no. I did see that one, G.C.'s a nice, you know.

Not at all. I appreciate you noticing. I think he has a point. Oh, Frank, thanks. Someone says that might be shallow fart. That was a good one. Oh, man. What else, Frankie?

What else? And thank you to this guy, by the way. That's crazy, though. It is crazy. Thank you to this young man. Someone says he looks like Loner Kavanaugh, which I do kind of say. Do you think he looks more like Loner? Look at the picture with him wearing the hood.

Yeah, yeah, wearing the hood. What's his name again? Nobody likes Birdie. H hoodie, nobody likes Bertie. Shout out to him. Lastly, Banana Breakdown says GC post-pick of the double TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We hear so much about this setup.

You guys see it all the time. Frank's seen it in person too. All I've seen is the TV with the foldout, you know, chairs set up, nothing in between. Oh, the fake box. Yeah, that's, I've seen that set up. I've seen the dual TV set up, bro. I've never seen the dual TV. That is cap.

That factor cap, that is cap. It's been sent into the group at. It's FACT City. Many a time. Yeah, didn't you do it this weekend for WrestleMania? I remember seeing it. And where'd you post that? In the group chat, bro.

Nah, I didn't see that. Stop with this. Oh, is that. Oh, what? There it is. Timmy Shalema. Does Chalemite have a new song out? Oh my God.

You're kidding me right now. Brother, his face is... He's not eating at home. That is T.C. right there. He's sunglasses on in a hoodie up. What is it? It looks like the Unabomber. I was going to say, next we're going to see the unabomber.

And Ariel's going to be like, is that? Is that too? Is that Shalman? His name was Timothy McVeigh. They're all the same person. Yo, yo, yo, yo. I see this, a new super chat here from Ben with a fantastic idea. What is he?

The next UFC fighter who walks out to the Ariel Hawani song. Yeah. Automatic interview. No questions asked. I mean, forget interview. Immortalized for life. Okay, but do we need to get like a BSD to walk out in front? Like, do we need it to be for the audience to understand?

What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm saying, do we need it to be in like Paris? Do we need it to be somebody who comes out? Nah, F that. Even better. Could you imagine someone walking out in Winnipeg to that song? Imagine someone walking on Oklahoma City to that song?

There it is. Put it up. Put up the drawing of Timothy Shalameh. Oh. Yeah? There it is. That looks like Bertie. I mean, come on, man.

Stop it with this. You guys, why does it say 221.87 under that? That is the Unabomber. That looks like a sketch. Now our chat is just sexy pictures of Shalema. Yeah, put that up. There he is. That's Shalabay, by the way.

When did he start looking like that? No, this is earlier. This one's, this is before he started looking like he looks now. He looks jacked here. Yeah, yeah. I don't realize he was... There he is. To our audio listeners, he's basically just cycling to the same photo back.

This is such a BS. You're showing me a picture of him that I've never actually seen him looking like that. Looks like it's AI slop to me, if you asked me. Have you ever seen a Salome movie? There's a question if you've ever seen Timothy Shalema. I mean, I see him sitting courtside, including yesterday. Have I seen a Shalame movie? What would be...

The most likely? Yeah. Hey, good news for you. You didn't see Dune, right? So my wife watched Dune 2 on the flight home Before watching Dune 1 And now she We've got weird movie habits

And now she's like chipping away at Dune 1 Every night in bed And I'm like What do you mean chipping away? 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there It's not a movie you chip away at Yeah, not really I'm looking at it. That kind of looks like him

I'm sorry but that looks like him This is birdie. Oh my God Whoever is doing this right now is just backing me up So thank you all. This is birdie. Lady Bird? That literally looks...

Call me by your name? You guys have no imagination. Thicker mustache, that's the dude. Yeah, yeah. That's the birdie dude. For sure. They look exactly the same. I've seen a lot of Tim, T.C.

Had you? Did you ever see Marty? I never saw Marty. I want to see Marty. There's so many movies. I'm dying to see... No, I'm dying to see the Michael Jackson movie. Got bad news.

Really? Views are... Really? It looks so good. I saw a tweet earlier today because of it ends with the release of bad, I believe. And so somebody compared it to like if you did an OJ movie and ending it when he wins the Heisman, like it's just not a complete, not a complete picture of. It's a slice of life. It's like the Howard Stern movie, private parts.

Well, at least Howard Stern's actually acting in that one. Okay. Well, the dude's not with us. What do you want him to do? I know Would you expect What do you mean? I almost said it to

I'm out You're out on it? The reviews are not good I'm out The reviews are not good Seriously Okay I wanted to see the Elvis one

I haven't seen that one With Austin Butler Like from way back in the day I haven't seen Bob Dylan movie That's Chalamee right That Chalemay Yep What was the other one

Johnny Cash Haven't seen that one Yeah that was a good one Walk the line Walk the line Shout out Walk Hard, though. Shout out to Walk Hard. Honestly, the only movie that I've actually seen

that's been like a new release in the last five or so years, I think, was Smashing Machine. Are you still, have you still not seen Uncut Gems? Jesus Christ, get on that shit. It's actually set. I didn't see any of these. I wanted to see the... Mario Galaxy?

No, the dude who lived in the Toys R Us. Oh, Roofman. Roofman. I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. I wanted to see that. He was great on the show. never got around to it.

Kirsten Dundst and Channing Tatum are... Everyone in the chat saying you got to watch Walk Hard. The Do-Hard is great. All-time. What is that about? It's a parody.

It's a comedy version of a Johnny Cash type singer. All right. I'm into it. So it's like space balls? Without the sex. It would agree. Without 100% without the sex.

Oh my God. Guys, tomorrow on the program. It's going to be a great day. The nature boy, Rick Flair, is going to join us. Woo! The styling, profiling, limousine riding, jetplane, flyin, son of a gun. Rick Flair, the pride of North Carolina, Charlotte, to be exact. What a guy.

He's going to be joining us. Caroline Dubois is going to be joining us to talk about everything that Alicia Baumgarter said about her on this program. Last week, after her fight, she said, I'm a piranha and she's a gun. So I always enjoy talking to Caroline Dubois. And Armand Sarukin is going to join us after, well, yesterday's comments from Ilya to Poria. You can see that interview right now on the chat, on the chat, on the channel. It's up right now on the channel.

We had Ilya on the show yesterday. We'll have Armin on the show tomorrow to talk about what happened yesterday. And also his win over Uriah Faber and everything else going on in his life. The guy is very busy. He's got these new videos now with that young girl. I've seen like a ton of them. The little kid? You see these videos?

Anyone see these videos? I've seen one or two. He's got like five or six now. He really pumps out the content. It's unbelievable. Video a day. Video a day. You got to keep it up.

So that is tomorrow on the show. And in addition to that, we will have On the Nose. Ariahawani. ubstack.com is the place to be for all your on-the-nose questions. Post is up right now. Drop us a question, comment, a blind ranking or two, and we will be back tomorrow to talk about all those things and more. For now, though, we're out of time.

Hey, good news, man. What is it? We had 400,000 subscribers. Ooh. Got off 404. That's what we were at last night. It felt like that was kind of powering the hawks, you know? I was with you until the very end there.

4-0-4. Is that the area code? Oh, yeah. famously. Your official prediction is what? Nix. Nixon 7. Really?

Okay. I appreciate you picking with your mind, not your heart. I sort of feel the same. It's just because we're a very bad road team. Nixon 6. Don't sweat. Nixon 6th. Nixon 6 is sweating, man.

That means you have to win in Atlanta. Yes. Nixon 6. It's all good. Knicks win, but the hog can. get a top four seed next year. Hawks are a very good team. By the way, everyone said the Hawks were going to be a good team going into this year,

and credit to their front office, they made some massive moves at the deadline, which a lot of people kind of thought like they were sort of done. Yeah, they were blowing it up. K.P. Trey Young. No one expected this, but they are very talented, athletic, tenacious team. I don't enjoy playing them. They're not, and they're not like an annoying team to play in that, like, I didn't like the pistons last year. Like they annoyed me. They were just kind of bullies. I didn't like

the Sixers two years ago. I can see why people are high on them and like them. But I want to beat their ass. Let's not, let's not kid ourselves. So we'll see. That's in a couple of days. God bless. God bless. And God bless everyone who tuned into today's program. Thank you to our guest today. Darren Till, Hanato, Moikano, Charles Jordane, Jasmine, Jazz DeVisius, Yusuf Salal, you, them, back tomorrow. Same time of us. A piece out here.