The Ariel Helwani Show - Devin Haney in studio, Chris Weidman vs. Anderson Silva faceoff, Matt Brown, Ludovit Klein, news and notes

Episode Date: October 29, 2025

Ariel Helwani kicks off the show with some news and notes, before reeling off some of MMA’s best post-fight speeches, inspired by the anniversary of Nick Diaz’s callout of Georges St-Pierre after UFC 137 (03:05).Devin Haney joins Ariel in-studio to preview his fight against Brian Norman Jr., address criticism of his ability to take a punch, discuss his rivalry with Ryan Garcia, other opponents he considered before landing on Norman, the current state of Top Rank, the Ali Reform Act, Jake Paul vs. ‘Tank’ Davis, and more (33:23).UFC veteran Matt Brown is back, speaking his mind about recent regulatory meetings related to the Ali Reform Act, the UFC antitrust lawsuit settlement, penalties for fouls in MMA, Dana White’s reaction to the UFC 321 main event, TKO Boxing’s potential impact on that sport, fighters needing additional protections, and more (1:33:20).Anderson Silva and Chris Weidman join the show for a virtual faceoff, talking about how their upcoming boxing match came about, their mutual respect, whether Silva feels he needs revenge after their MMA fights, Weidman dealing with Silva’s different styles, Silva’s admiration for the sport of boxing, reconnecting after Weidman’s leg break, and Weidman being an underdog one more time (2:15:26).L’udovit Klein makes his show debut, talking about his incredible UFC 321 win, requiring surgery for the broken ankle he suffered during the fight, considering Arman Tsarukyan a ‘dream fight,’ expecting to be sidelined for several months due to the injury, representing Slovakia on the global stage, and more (2:55:01).Ariel wraps up with your Super Chats (3:11:53).       

Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eria, Hawaii Show. Back in your life on this Wednesday, October 29, 2000. And 25, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. It's great to be here on a very. very nice fall Wednesday afternoon in New York City and my friends the mood is great around these parts for several reasons for several reasons. G.C. is back. G.C. is back. He was out. He was out yesterday and there were some rumors reports about why he was out. I'm not sure if he wants to

address any of them, but oh, apparently he's still out. Okay, okay. Is that a thing? Should I not address him at the top of the show? Because this is now the second time. people have to run it out of the room. Top of the show. Like as the plane is taking off. You got audio, you got video. What else do you want, huh? It's like, here we go.

Everyone, we are about to take off. Yeah, let's just go to the bathroom. You see the pilot running next to the plane? Yeah, let me just go for a quick bite. Well, anyway, welcome back. He is here, I can assure you. You will hear from him, see him in a matter of moments. I got a text, Frank, from a very, very wise man.

A good man. I should add as well. James Tehuno? No, John Pollock of Post Wrestling. And he texted me this at 12.55 p.m. Eastern Time, which is approximately six minutes ago. It's a quote, okay? It's a quote. It's a quote said by a very wise man.

The quote is, as follows. Game four tonight, I think we're going to go, excuse me, I messed that up. The quote is as follows. Game four tonight, I think we're going to go. we're going to get back on track. I think we'll win. Six to two. Rock Otani Early.

Chase him out of there. End quote. Elypsies. You know who said that, Frank? You know who said that? Approximately 21 hours ago. You know who said that? That would be the man you're talking to right now.

Ariel Helwani said that. Me. I said it. And you know what the final score was last night, Frankie? Actually don't. Six the freaking two. And you know who rocked Otani early, Frankie? Vladimir Guerrero, Jr.

Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Yes, your Blue J is tied, 2-2. Game 5, pivotal. There's never been a game 5 that wasn't pivotal. It's always pivotal. It's a pivotal game 5 tonight at Chavez Ravine, but it also guarantees game 6 back in the 6. Oh my God, you know yourself.

It's going to be incredible. What scenes? my kids. Do you want to go to Game 6 in Toronto or do you want to partake in the Halloween festivities? You know what they said? They want to go door to door and get some M&Ms and some, you know, some, what are those things called? Candy corn. What are those things called? The ones that I like. The milk duds. I could go to CVS right now and get you milk duds and candy corn. That's one. They're going to regret. Oh, welcome back. I was just talking to your empty chair. I know. I saw. I saw today and Monday. Twice. Twice. Go to me the second the show started.

I said, planes taking off, pilots jump out for a little quick bite. Listen, bathroom run. Things got to get situated. I can't say that I'm going on a bathroom run because accusation is thrown around like wild. I'm slumped on my couch yesterday, and Pete's he's like, ah, G.C.'s not here because he shit himself. Chat starts blowing up. Crazy work to miss work because you shit in your pants. I'm laying on the couch, dying out.

I'm like, damn, bro. No respect. Do you want to address the rumors? Actually, the funniest part is that you're like, you're like, I stayed up until 3 a.m. To watch the World Series. Some people on our staff would never, and then they went to my chair.

I was like, God, damn. That's Andy's doing. I'm getting dragged through the mud over there. I had nothing to do that. Do you want to address the rumor? It was not gastrointestinal. Okay, all right, God, thank God. It was just good old sick.

All right. You feeling better? Feeling great. Never better. Well, you missed a great show. Dr. Brian. Everyone loves Dr. Brian. He came on.

I actually didn't miss it. I watched it. Oh, I mean, you missed, like, you know, the vibe. But I had it on the background, in and out of sleep. Appreciate that, appreciate that. Sorry, GC. Sorry. But yes, everything's going great. The team is back. Not quite 100% back, but we're doing well.

We've got a very, very, very good filling in Mr. Dan, who is helping us out as well. So everything is doing great. We've got a great show planned for all of you. Pete, you stayed up, right, to watch Game 4? I don't understand the sport We've been sure of this You know what I mean The box, what not

Come on Three more game There's literally Called it Yeah No 62 62 Yeah

It's sort of like this Schlider right here The ball Yeah You gotta get it one day Schlitter Yeah there you go In any event

Great show Back into the show I think Correct me from wrong I think one of GC's Favorite fighters Ludovid Klein's going to be joining us

He's up there He's up there up there. I'd like to know the aerial G-C top 10. Oh, you know what? For a second, I thought you meant like... Ludovic Klein. Like from the sky, like aerial view. I never heard such a strong

air with my name. Abis, Joe Pfefer, and I think Ludovit. That's what I thought. That's the top three. Yeah. Shout out to Ludovic. L-A-O-V-I-T. Ludovic. Is that where he's going for? Ludovic. That's where you used to know with that. Wait, wait. You're making it a cave.

Wait, there's a K down there? I think it's a T, Mr. Highlight. Ludovit. Where'd you get the K from? Is this like a Rambatsky situation? I think so. I thought it was Ludovic. Oh.

Anyway, we'll figure it out. He'll join us. Guys, how about this? Some 12 years after they first fought, 12 and a half years, Anderson Silva and Chris Wymer are going to fight for a third time. This time, under Queensberry Rules on Friday, November 14th, Opener on the Netflix card, Jake Paul, Tank Davis. It will be Anderson, Chris, Tro, number three, Tress.

And before that, they'll be meeting each other here. Virtually we'll do a face-off. One of those little tete-a-tete's, I believe the first time they do something like this in quite some time, if not ever. So it would be a great honor to have two of the greatest of all time. Chris Wybin, former UFC Midway Champion, Anderson Silva, former UFC Midway Champion, joining us to talk about how this all came together, what's going to happen, who's going to win, do they hate each other, all that and more? You'll recall they fought in July of 2013, then December of 2013. Now they're fighting in 2025 in a boxing match, unbelievable.

So that will be at approximately 315. One of the best MMA pundits right now, and a guy who I think keeps it very, very real is the immortal Matt Brown. And I've wanted to have him on the show for quite some time. He popped up on that Ali Act call the CSAC one from two weeks ago. he's weighed in on a whole host of things he does a podcast with Damon Martin of MMA fighting fighter versus writer or maybe it's fighter and writer point is he's doing great stuff

and I like his takes and I like how he keeps a real I mean of course you'd expect nothing less from Matt Brown he just keeps it real 24-7 he's just always been that kind of guy so we'll have a month to talk about these things and much more looking forward to that chat very much

and at approximately 130 we'll be joined by Devin Haney the Real Deal himself, who will be returning to action on November 22nd in Riyadh, massive fight at 147 pounds against Brian Norman Jr. There's a lot of bad blood here. These two got into a little fracas

in the hallways in New York City before their press conference or maybe it was after their press conference. In any of it, we even have the video. We could show you the video to wet your appetite here. Devin Haney will join us in studio, in studio at about one thing.

Look at this. There's Bill. Look at this There's Brian Look at this Finger in the chest Oh Oh

And look at this Security gets involved What up And then he gets hip tossed Yo Security guard gets hip tossed Oh A couple of slaps

Security guy way too hansy. Yeah. Anyway, so we'll talk to him about all that. He'll join us in studio. Always great to have one of the best boxers in the world, the one and only Devin Haney, the real deal or the dream. Why did I call him the real deal? I don't know, but he's the dream.

But he is the real deal as well. He's going from 135 to 140 to 144 to 147. Incredible. Keeps it real. He keeps it real. guys, a few things to talk about before we get into all of that and more, because there's a lot going on in the world of combat sports as always. Did you happen to see, speaking of great boxers, we were talking last week about Terrence Crawford living his best life. Pizzi, did you

happy to see Terrence down in Colombia? No. Yes, shit. Look at Terrence out here. Oh, my days. In a tracksuit, too. I'm on stage. And we track suit. suit, just going to bust out a few of them. With the ladies, Terrence Crawford, is there anyone who's living their best life better than Terrence Crawford right now? I mean, he's on a world tour of this guy. Look at this guy. No stranger to do a dance floor.

Look at this. Ooh. Dide, be it, te dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee. Hey, a little salsa. What kind of dancing is that, Andy? What is that? Is that a Colombian salsa? What is that?

That looked like a salsa, and it is big in Colombia. It is. And now you're going to tell me, well, I'm not from Colombia. you know, I'm actually from... You know the region. It's a different place. Come on. She's actually from me too.

Where is she from? She's actually from Venezuela. All right. How is this making it? I knew that. Or is it Ecuador? Oh, that was a test. Wow.

They're all similar color. There's a region. There's a region. There's a region. They're not all the same country area. It's called South America. No, all right. I thought maybe...

What was that? Do that one more time for the people at home. All you have to do remember is the Juliana Pena connection. Or was it Michael Morales? By the way, I'm very aware of where she's from. I just thought, hey, you know, she's from there, that region, we're not. So, you know, it's like someone asking me about North America. I could tell you about North America.

I could tell you about, I could tell you about Canada, even though I'm not from Vancouver. I could tell you about Whistler. I could tell you about Beaver Tales. I could tell you about Boutis. So I just want to know, no harm, no foul. What's the capital of Mexico? That's for Andy, right? No, that's North America.

Technically, it's Central America. No, no, that would be South of Mexico. That's Honduras. That's where my family's from. Are you talking about... Yeah, what the hell? Mexico City. Yeah, what is this?

Is this, wait, when you talk about... I just thought it was funny. You said North America, including all the country. First of all, I know that it's Guadalajara. And second of all, it's, uh, is this north or south of the Gulf of America? Oh, God. We have other things to get to. All right.

I was trying to serve that up, but I didn't get it out. you know, smoothly. But am I right about Guadalajara or am I wrong? I think I'm actually wrong. I thought you Googled it. No, I didn't. Am I right? Is it Mexico City?

Oh. I said Mexico City. It's Mexico City. I just really want to. I see you that. I wanted to say Guadalajara. In any event, I do want to give a shout out to Aspen Lange. She got her first BKFC assignment.

There's some big news. There it is November 15th. So it's either this or UFC 322. What are you guys watching? this number one it's a tough one Ubank Ben 2 number 2 and then

322 wait no no isn't you bank ban on the 22nd oh no it's the 15th yeah holy shit what a week actually and then sneak in Jake Paul

tank Davis rewatch yeah at number 3 wow highlights okay what do you think Pt yeah you like that I'm just thinking about

how I'm going to get out that Monday afterwards yeah that's right that's right post paper Review Monday, Pizzi, does not exist. You know who else is living his best life? Charles Dubronk Solivera guys. This guy is out there.

Have you seen this guy? I mean, some can of piss out there. He's posing just casually. Like me and you standing outside of a chicken fillet store down in Dublin town. Look at this guy. Just casually just on top of a. He didn't deserve kind of pissed there. He didn't.

No reason. Like, that's a stallion right there. You know what I mean? Like, that is just not any ordinary. Oh, donkey, I tell you that much. Look at this guy. What is that? Harness racing?

He's the king of art chintana. That basketball player looks at. Chukeskoy, Denver Broncos. Oh, Yokic. Yokic. He's into that kind of racing as well. Stud olivera. Is that the name of the horse?

I mean, that's what they call Charles. There's a, there's a tear rolling down my cheek as we speak. Do you guys see it? Do you see it? I don't know if you can do it. Actually, yes. You could see it? You could see it?

What happened? Why? You're so happy about- Pete's laugh. Pee's laugh. It reminds me of a famous Pizzi moment. Like the way he laughed. Like when I think of Ptie laughing like that,

I think of a famous moment. Do you know what I'm talking about? The kind of piss line. I didn't expect to kind of... That way, that one. This moment? That's me. That's how I react to him saying kind of piss.

You have any idea what you're discussing here, Ptt? No, not at all. What is that? What is going on over there? Why are you so animated? I'm just, you know, that's how I am. I'm always like that. And that was from a podcast I did last week that got released today.

They called you the godfather of MMA on the pod. The godfather of Oversham. I was like, John Kaplan's going to get upset here, lads. We need to, uh, shh, shh, but, uh, no, great fun with the lads. Even, every one of you's got mentioned. New York, Rick, G.C., Ariel, Andy, Jordan, Mysterious Frank, all of you's shoutouts there. Just want to say, represent and always. I might have to listen now.

Wow, you weren't going to listen before. called? What's it called? Where you selfishly got a shout out? You have a son? It's two Irish comedians. Wait, what's it called? You having a song? Yeah, that's right. You having a song? That's the name of the pop? Are you having a song? Is that like a saying over there?

No, it's you having a song. It's not how you. It's you. It's you. I'm not the boy owe you either. What's, what's, is that like a saying? Is that slang? Is that like, what's the crack? It'd be like, are you taking the piss? Oh. Like saying, hang on, are you have, you have me on? Okay, okay, okay. Oh, it's like a, it's like a threat. This is before a kitchen script. You'd be like, what?

Hang on a second. It's like, are you messing with me? Yeah, are you fucking. It's like, are you having a go? Are you having a go? Is that what you're doing in that screenshot? I could be going, you have me honest? No, yeah, it's too big of a grin in that one.

I know you guys talked about it yesterday, but Ireland getting a lot of love in the Pistterfax for Halloween. Oh, really? Well, thank you. I didn't see those. You didn't read them? No, I now go. I found, like, a non-employee bathroom, just so I don't, like, get germs or, you know, just... What is it, like, an executive bathroom? It's private for you? It's, like, executive to the executive.

I shower to the bathroom on Saturday. What does it say? What does it say? So, they don't have that stuff. They are in there. They're on the mirror. Oh, no. That it started with, like, beat. You would, instead of jack-o-lanterns out of a pumpkin, you would do it out of beats. And then when the Irish immigrants came over, they started using pumpkins because it was better here. Oh, wow. that it all started at like a Celtic festival that like Halloween actually did start in Ireland.

I believe it's pronounced Celtic. Celtic. No, it's either one. Caltic. No, he's right. But G.C. is or she knows. It is Celtic. But that means it originated in America and the Irish just brought it here, right? But it didn't actually originate in Ireland. You just calm the phone.

Originated in Ireland. It's called Salon here. Popularized in America. Do kids actually, like legit, do kids actually go door to door and do the whole thing? Yeah. And it's going to be a real issue. you when we're doing the crack at 6 p.m. Oh, yes, I love it.

I love it. The dog's going to be going fucking mental. I seem to remember this from last year. Like, I remember you setting up and being worried about people ringing the bell. You guys get a lot of trick-or-treaters? Are they called trick-or-treaters? Yeah, what are they called? Trick-or-treaters.

Okay. By the way, speaking of Halloween, shout it to Jemir Gibbs of the Detroit Lions. You guys see this? Quite the outfit. You saw it? Mrs. didn't really sell it to me. I mean, she was just kind of, like, admiring the view. Look at him.

He's all in. She's supposed to do something as well. She's supposed to be Lita. She's got the women's championship. Now, she, her outfit, not quite Lita, but I mean, Jemir looks fantastic. Even the, go back to the way he was gyrating there. That's very Jeff Hardy. This is someone, this is someone who grew up a Hardy Boys fan.

Look at that. Doon, tune, tune, tune, tune, tune, tune, tune, tune, and you can tell his miss is not really a Hardy fine. No, she's there for the vibes. But I was impressed. She wouldn't know what you were talking about. When did these NFL teams start doing these big Halloween parties? Yeah, I've noticed that. I always come out.

I keep seeing Justin Herbert and Madison Beer at the Chargers one. I'm tired of them. Enough of them already. Wow. Every two seconds we see that. Wow. America's first couple. I feel like it's because they're coming for Josh and Dart. Wait, wait, wait, first of all, Josh and Haley. Josh and Haley are... No, no, no, no. They're rock solid. They're married.

All right? Like, these two just They just met two days ago. They just met two days ago. Let's see them, let's see them, you know, withstand the trials and tribulations of dating. The trials and tribulations like. Also, you never, you never, by the way, you never see Josh. The red carpet Michael B. Jordan appearances were. You never see Josh and Haley together.

You never even see her on the broadcast. I mean, Madison's there in the front row, for God's sakes. I mean, they've been dating for two weeks. You're saying this as a point for, for the, no, I like the fact. I like the fact that they're very sort of, you know, less fair, we're not here to get the spotlight. Josh does his thing, she does her thing. They're not even together on red carpet.

A bit of support wouldn't hurt, you know. She has said, don't show me on the broadcast. And they've all respected it. I think it's fantastic. I think it's commendable. By the way, guys. We're a pro beer and, uh... I don't even know.

Who is Madison beer? I'm team beer and Herbert. Yeah, Herbert. He's a singer. Oh. He said I like beer. They didn't even stay for the full 18 innings. They were there.

they left like midway through. They're not real friends. They've got practice. Pashuals. Speaking of Halloween, are you guys familiar with Tony Lapidus? Yeah, I believe so.

Remind me? Tony Lapeduce does great imitations. And I stumbled upon this one, which he posted last month. And I don't know if you guys heard it, but quite frankly, I'm a little bit offended by it. Take a listen.

You know, I can't believe that I'm actually here once again with the legendary Iron Mike Tyson. Mike, how you doing, buddy? Thank you so much, I'm in the podcast. It's an honor. I can't believe the news, Mike. Is that really true?

Are you going to fight Floyd Mayweather? Like, is that really signed? Hey, hey, Liz, that's what's going to make the fans happy. That's what we're going to do, you know. Well, Mike, I really never thought that I'd see a fight between two legends of the sport of boxing. I really never thought I'd see that, you know? But what about all the weight difference? Is that an issue at all?

Hey, hey, hey, listen, I'm 59 years old, you know, and for he's, um, for he's 48 years old, that means he's younger, that means he's faster, and, um, hey, listen, Cuss always taught me that I don't care how hard you can hit in this sport, you can't catch the guy standing in front of you, you're just nothing, you know, that's what he taught me, that you're nothing. Cush really said that to you? That's what he taught me my whole life. All right, enough of this. Does my voice really crack that much? What's going on here? Wait, that's your big problem with it? It's not Mike Tyson sounding like he's on death's door with the grunt.

I thought this was like a constipated Nate Diaz at first. I thought I thought Mike was 12 out of 10. I thought he was fantastic. I don't speak like that. Come on. What was that? He did have your, he had your patented hunch going well. Is gays.

Do I need to, do I need to work on my, that's very Larry King of me. Do I need to work on my posture? It's always funny. when we show you the back angle and you're like, oh shit, do I really bend over like that? I like to, I want my guests. By the way, I like the guests to feel like I'm in it with them.

You know, like we're here. We're connecting. You know what I mean? I don't look at anything else. You guys are saying to me, hey, hey, chill, chill, chill. Chill, Brad. Chill.

I want people to feel like I'm locked in, all right? And now if I'm sitting like this, like you ever see an interview where someone's like sitting back. They're like this. How I sit and never show on every show. You can stop. good posture? I don't know why. I just feel like as long as I've been working with you, you're like, I've got to fix that posture. I know, I really do. By the way, once a week now,

I've been, I've been doing yoga. Oh, sick. Yeah, I'm actually a big fan of yoga. I absolutely love it. And you know what's the crazy part about it? It's just regular sweat like a freaking horn church. I mean, like, I am sweating. We could have gotten it across. I'm just, I am sweating after this thing because I have no flexibility whatsoever. I cannot get past my knees when I bend down. I actually did a hot yoga with one TST. It was too much.

No, hot yoga, it's unnecessary. Too much sweating. It was the mats getting slick by the end. You're getting kind of dizzy. I'm with you. Just give me the regular. Yeah. Is there any yoga studios that Troy hasn't been in at this stage? Because I feel like he's a vinyasa yogi. He is a yogi now, actually, himself.

He's a certified yoga instructor now. So anyway, you think the interpretation or the imitation is spot on? Is spot on? All right. I mean, look, if you reach a point where you can be imitated, I take that as a compliment. It's what I said, right? Imitation is the best one of the time. That's true. Guys, also, I do want to let you know there are certain dates that come to mind.

I'm like, oh, yes, I know this date. October 29th is one of those dates. Not only because it's the day that G. G.C. came back from his extreme you know, gastra issues. It's also 14 years ago today that one of the great post-fight interviews in the history of the UFC occurred.

You all know this one. It's the famous Nick Diaz interview. Take a listen, take a listen. We can't play it, but you can listen to it. Let's play. Nick Diaz, the winner. Okay, that's the one where he looks at the camera. he's like, where are you at George?

Where are you at? I mean, that was basically Mike Goldberg just saying, but there's another one where you could hear you could hear him say, where you at George. I don't think George is hurt. I think he's scared. I think he's scared to fight everybody right now. What's up?

Where are you at George? Ah, classic. And then they cut to George going like this. Ooh, those were the days. That is one of my favorites. The D.S. callout is great, but the George... That was incredible.

Can we get the Mike Goldberg one more time? Yeah, let's hear. Let's hear it. Diaz, the winner. Little whisper where are you at, George, and then Mike Goldberg screaming. It works better when you watch it. Nick Diaz, the winner.

Is it BJ Penn, the fight? Yeah, yeah. October of 2011, great one. We got a legendary fight. Really long interview with Nick at the UFC like Ultimate Fighter Warehouse, the Thursday of that fight. He went on for 25 minutes.

it was unbelievable. That was a great time because he had just come over from Strike Force we all wanted to see the GSP fight got me thinking about some of the best

not like post-fight interviews but just like post-fight sound bites like you say this line you say this line and people know if you go up to an MMA fan and you say

where are you at George they know exactly what you're talking about right yeah what else what else PtT what else falls 50 Gs baby we're not here to take part

we're here to take over it's 60 G 60 G yeah whatever yeah Which is crazy. No, no, because now it's 50, but back then it was 60. It went down some way, somehow. Look, I'm just trying to look out for Diana here.

I don't want people getting any, you know, ideas. And then what was the other one? We're not here to take apart. Yeah. What fight is that? What fight is that? Just some Porre, isn't it? No, that's Brando.

I think he set up at the Porier, you know? Mystic Mac with Porier. You could call me Mystic Mac because I predict these things, because he had said that he was going to, you know, spark him in the first, round. Yeah. But anyway, that's another one.

What else? What else? What else? What else comes to mind? I'm not impressed. I'm not impressed. Brock Lasner, Bud Light.

Oh, yeah. What is the situation? So if you say to your friend like, you know. I'm going to go home and get on top of my wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And have a Bud Light. Because Coors Light ain't paying me nothing. Oh, this is a great one.

This is a great one. Do you remember this one when he comes in and DC goes, he goes, push me now. Get slept later. Push me now. Get slept. Do you guys remember that? And then Brock gets on the mic,

and he goes, Miochich, the piece of shit. And Ganu, the piece of shit. And then he took the microphone, and he broke the camera. He broke the lens. He pushed it right into the lens. What else?

What else? What else comes to mind? What do you got there, G. What else? Like lines. Connor McGregor. By. Michael Chandler

Connor McGregor you gotta come back and find somebody if you say it like that people know exactly what you're talking about I'm surprised he didn't get a hernia from this call out

like he is going hard man Scalcers don't get knocked out potty yeah yeah yeah that's not bad I'm not surprised by Nate Diaz followed by

surprise surprise by Connor McGregor in the very next fight the king is back I don't care Darren Till I don't care Yeah

And that was That was a And then Perry got onto the The apron there Or whatever you call it The fight that still has not been materialized What about

What about You've taken everything I worked for Motherfucker Yeah That's like You say that to an MMA fan Connor

Like you say that Or by the way You know what You know what the other thing Is here Like you post this And you can hear it Right

Yeah You post that Chandler picture, you can hear it. Double Champ apologizes to nobody. Yeah, another con. I mean, it's every kind of one. That's like, that's like all the time. I mean, yeah, pretty much anytime he got on the mic. See you soon, boy. I love you. No forget Jesus.

He's already dead. That sparked some serious debate online. That was a huge one. Do you remember how mad Dana was about that? Don't bring up politics. Don't bring up religion. What about, what about, um, what about if you say to someone

I'm not impressed yeah I'm not impressed with your performance yeah incredible did I say that already

yeah my balls is hot oh yes that's great I'm looking at the chat right now the show the show sonning

Anderson Silva you suck oh you absolutely you absolutely suck like you you post that somewhere and

and people know exactly what you're trying to say so someone says Nick Diaz calling out GSP. That was the beginning of all of the What about when Moreno goes Maybe not today, maybe not

tomorrow, but maybe not the next day, but maybe not the next month. Remember that one? Oh yeah. That was a great one. I'll be champion one day, yeah. Moikana wants money. O'Kano wants money. It's great. Almost doesn't is not fair because he says his name. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Oh, what about battle? What about battle? I know you didn't think the Bush was going to lose to a French student. Yes. Such a great line. I know you didn't think the butcher was going to lose

to a French dude. Man. You know what I'm saying? That's not nice. Frank. We're trying to give the guy some props here. The spinal Mike Tyson one? Where he broke his back?

Sure. I broke my back. Come on. Spinal. Well, the greatest one of all time is my style is impetuous. My defense is impregnus. My defense is impregn.

I'll eat his children praise be to Allah he's he calls himself the Alexander I'm Alexander he's not the great I'm Jack I'm Jack Dempsey I'm sunny listening I'm on his cloth yeah yeah yeah

that's such a good one Oh no for Paul Hughes Paul Hughes Paul Hughes calling on Usla Norma oh yeah yeah yeah that's not a bad one Andy of course Andy loves Paul Hughes That's my boy

I'm very Paul Hughes Raphael Fizzed calling out Raphael Nadal after beating Raphael de Sannios That was a weird one. This was after he also called out Vince Vaughn, I believe, in the previous fight. Both of them taking place at the apex, too, which made it a little. Was Vince at the fight?

Why did he call out Vince Vaughn? Yeah, I think Vince was at the fight. It was like one of six people there. By the way, if you drop that picture of Fiziv and Bisping, do you think people know what it is? Hell no. No. You have to be a special kind of MMA fan. Special.

Yeah, that was Apex 2020. too. Pantosha talking about his dad. What do you say? That was, that was low key. That was,

I remember a quote for a that might have been like one of the more hard hitting. Probably the greatest one of all time is John Jones, get your shit together.

You know? What a great? What was at that fight? You were there? 187? 187? Yeah, yeah, 187. Smash everybody.

Wait, wait, don't, don't, what was the vibe like when he delivered that? Because it was such a great line, you know, it was so good.

Yeah, he gave it to him actually. It was on his way to the gate. And he said, Titi, and I was like, do you know what you should say? And he was like, what? And I was like, then he said to the line. Wow, that's such a good story. Yeah, we're really good friends, actually, me and D.C.

I'm sure you're watching this. So there I am. I'd look to introduce you to him someday. I was sleeping. I get a call 6.30 in the morning. MGM Grand says, Daniel Cornwall is like, T.C., is everything okay? What's wrong? Is it fight day?

It's literally fight day. You're thinking of me on fight day? Like, what's going on? You know what you should say? You should say, John Jones, get your shit together. Oh, I love that. there I am in the back everyone's celebrating all the Fox people

I'm like he's going to say he's going to say verbatim I've never been prouder if my son scores eight goals in his next soccer game I won't be prouder than I was on that day that's because Walter scores eight goals in every year some have called him virtuoso at this point

otherworldly any other ones what does the chat say chat what are you saying chat what are you saying chat everybody Hamza oh yeah oh Habiba 205 what do you say about the chicken He said something about a chicken.

Remember that one after he beat Michael Johnson? Can we do it after that? No, I don't. He came out and suppy-sied me for the main event. You sat next to him. He was sitting ropey sober. Did he know where you were from? Yeah, you know, we're good friends again.

No. John Reza in the chat says, Connor McGregor, you're taking everything I worked for a motherfucker, quoted by Holly Holm. What? She said that? I don't get it. She told Diaz, same way as you in D.C.

Ah, people are hitting the... What are you guys booing me for? I got poked in the eye. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's so fresh ally, Quinta. Anyway, guys, a nice little trip down memory lane. Still to come, G.C.'s favorite fighter, Lou David Klein.

Part of that will be joined by Chris Wyden and Anderson Silva together in anticipation of... of their big fight on November 14th. Prior to that, the great Matt Brown is going to join us. But first, how about this? What a great pleasure it is to be joined by a man who will be fighting against Brian Norman Jr. on November 22nd in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia for the WBO World Walterway

title, trying to win a title in a third different weight class, 135, 140. Now 147 pounds, he turns 27 on November 17th. Five days later, massive fight for him against Brian Norman. He's the dream, Devin Haney, and he's kind enough to join us on this Wednesday afternoon in studio. There he is. What's up, my man? How are you? Good to see you.

Everything good, everything good? Have you not been to this one? No. Oh, we moved. We moved, but it looks somewhat similar, right? Yeah, it looks similar, yeah. Do you don't like it? No, it's nice.

Okay. Do you mind talking into the microphone? Yeah, no, it's nice for sure. You seem a little disappointed. We got more toys. Yeah, you know. Yeah. Trying to populate.

I like it. It's nice. Some old school boxing stuff here. Leonard Duran. Great 147-pound fight. Legendary. Mr. Muhammad Ali against George Chivalo. When you fought in Canada, which is where I'm from.

No, I like this. You like this? You're feeling it? Yeah, I like it. How do you feel about the, we're in the spirit? The Halloween? You fuck with it or no? Yeah, I fuck away for sure.

You do Halloween? No. No, you don't go to the parties and stuff? No, I'm Muslim. We don't know. Oh, sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I like at all.

Like, if I ring your doorbell, you're like, by the way, Jews don't celebrate Halloween either. Oh, okay. So we're like, you know, we're... So what do you do? What if somebody brings your door? Oh, my parents would just close the lights. Okay.

I just pretend like they're not home. But now that I've gotten older and I have kids and stuff, like I don't want to... So you don't dress them up or anything? No, no, they do. Okay, yeah. But it's just for the candy. Yeah. You know what I mean?

For sure. So, you know, a little pumpkin here, a little spider web. You're not bothered by this, right? Well, no, no. You know, of course not. You know, of course not. You know, I was talking about it. I was talking about that.

The bad vibes coming out of that. Yeah, no, that's good. How are you? I'm good. How are you? Man, I saw some pictures of you. You're looking shredded. Yeah, for sure.

No candy for you, no M&Ms, no. Yeah, no, none of that. How much you weigh right now? Even though I feel so much better at 147, my weight is good. I eat what I want. It's not, my training camps aren't based around, you know, weight like they were for a long time. You know, I was training camp, I would go into training camp to lose weight, you know, and spar pretty much for skills. So now, you know, it's really around, you know, game planning, you know, really just getting better, you know, it's not about weight.

I mean, you look incredible, to me it's almost like, wow, I wonder how good you would have felt. Like, do you think, man, if I would have done this like two, three fights ago, life would have been a lot easier for me? Yeah, life would have been a lot easier for me. I think that, you know, people said that I'm a weight bully, but I only stayed at those small weight classes because it was so much at stake. I was to, you know, defend against Cambosis the second time. I was, you know, I was signed a contract, and then Loma, I signed a contract to do that fight, and then I went up to 140, and I felt all right in the first fight, or my first

fight at 140 against Regis, the weight cut, like, it was hard, but it was hard. It wasn't like extreme, but then for the Ryan fight, it was like extreme. So, you know, was it to the point where you thought maybe you wouldn't make it? Not that I wouldn't make it. It wasn't that extreme, but it was extreme. I would say the fight where I felt like I wouldn't make it, the second Cambosis fight was super hard. That wake-up was bad. The Loma fight was hard.

The worst one was the Cambosis for the same. second Cambosis fight. The Loma fight was hard, and the Ryan fight was like this number two. That one was like super hard. So your last fight was at 144? Yeah. That's kind of, it was like just a catch weight. Yeah, that was like easy.

I made that weight easy. So you're expecting just a breeze here? Yeah. Well, I came in, so my nutritionist, you know, told me to come in to wait. I mean, come in a training camp, bigger this camp. So I came in bigger, you know, because obviously I had, you know, three pounds um and uh no i feel great i feel great do you think this is it for you or do you think i think i'll go up i think i'll go up again really yeah how high do you think you go

i don't know um maybe like 160 that's what i was thinking yeah 160 eventually but you want to stick around at 147 yeah i plan on being here for a while um like i said i feel great i feel so much better um it's crazy to just you know i'm so i'm way more happier my sparring has been showing how sharp I am how much stronger I am and you know they say I can't take a punch so you know who's saying this who's saying this is you know what they say they say

they say a lot people say a lot people are saying you can't take a punch I don't know why because they forget about the Ryan Garcia fight that I got up three times yeah yeah is it what does that mean you cannot take a punch if you if you get up like I don't Brian saying this

no no I don't know no just the whispers But they say a lot. So they say that I can't punch, too. So now at 147, we'll see. We'll see if I punch harder, if I could take a punch better. That's why this fight is so important to me because, you know, they say that I can't block a left hook, right?

That's what they say. Well, we've seen Brian Armin in his last fight. He knocked the guy out cold with a left hook. Brutal knockout. You know, so they say I can't, you know, I can't take a punch. Well, we got a guy who's too strong, who can punch. He's, for what they say, he's kryptonite to my style.

So that's why this fight is such an important fight for me. And, you know, turn the non-believers into believers and prove the doubters and the naysayers wrong. How did this come together, this fight, this particular matchup? Yeah, so the first fight that was actually signed was the Ryan Garcia fight. You know, we signed for it. The rematch. and is this is this before time square or after time square before time square okay yeah it was already signed

you know we was already we were going to face off in re-at right that was the plan you know yeah yeah well we yeah we were going to fight in rea but we were going to face off after the new york fight got it do the actual face off and uh you know promote the fight and uh we already had the date we already had the fight signed and then he lost obviously so then the next fight that i signed for was a teal fight and then Tio negotiated we negotiated we agreed on he had his terms he agreed on I had my terms that I agreed on I don't know what his terms was I don't know if he knew what my terms was it wasn't my business what his terms was because I got I got they agreed to what I wanted yeah so I didn't care what what what his was and then you know they said that he was going to sign

the nighttime then he said he was having dinner with his family and then it was the morning time and then which is he was a bunch of excuses and then he just came back and said well his team came back and said that he just didn't want to fight so that was it that was the reason yeah that was it nothing else yeah but I had already signed wow and it would have been for this date no no no it would have been for I forgot the date

it would have been earlier but in the fall time right okay all right in Riyadh in Riyadh yeah at what wait 147 okay 147 and then the next best fight was you know Brian Norman he's he's the he's the best guy at 147 um you agree uh well what about boots boots at 154 now no I know but was there talk of boots before he moved up yeah but do you yeah I'll get to that yeah you think that he's the best guy at 147 right now I think it's the the best fight for you yes no the best guy at 147 like period who's the best guy at 147

no yeah I'm down I'm I'm in agreement I mean he only has one belt but yes yeah I mean everybody has right there's not a unified champion right at 147 so You know, once I beat him, I become the man at 147. I become the top guy and take over the weight class. And, yeah. So it's interesting because I just mentioned Boots. Like, was there any talk of Boots at all? Yeah, so there was a, their boots name came up as well.

We, they, they, we said, yeah, we'll do it. 147, let's do it. And then they came back with Eddie Hearn came back with 152. Oh. Yeah, 152. And then I was just like, no, I never even fought at 147. Right. I go to 152, when he's champion, unified champion at 147, let's fight for the belts.

And then it wasn't much negotiation. That was pretty much what it was. And then it was Brian Norman. So why I bring him up is, and I know, like you said, you have your detractors. Everyone has their detractors at the top. But I don't think you get enough credit for the fact that you're making your 147-pound debut against the best guy. Yeah. We had boots in last week in studio.

and it was a great chat I like him a lot but as we talked about with him that wasn't the fight people wanted to see him fight but he said and you know he's totally allowed to feel this way I wanted one fight get my feet wet and now it's onto the big dogs at 154 right you don't seem to subscribe to that

I mean that's just not me look at my track record yeah it's every guy's a big dog every single fight right you know every since since I became champion it's been every single guy and that's just that's just

That's just type of fighter that I am. Why don't you get the credit for that, though? I think one day when I'm, you know, retired and my feet is kicked up, then they'll give me my credit, and then they'll say, you know, Devin Haney, he's a real throwback fighter, and that's what I am. And I don't do it for, you know, for them to give me my credit, because that's just the type of person I am. I want to fight the best fighters in the world. I want to test myself against the best, and it's boxing at the end of the day. If I lose, then it is what it is. You know, I want to test myself, though.

You know, I think that's why boxing is where it's at now is because guys don't test us up. Everybody cares about the, oh, everybody want to be undefeated. But, you know, I genuinely want to test myself against the best fighters in the world. And I think that I am one of the best fighters in the world. And obviously, every fight that I go in, I think that I'm going to win. I go in there with that mindset, and I think that I'm a better fighter than it. And, yeah, but it is what it is.

That's just the type of fighter that I am. it's crazy to me because like when the best fights for you were with matrim you're with matrim then you go to top rank now and then you do stuff on your own and you're always searching for the best fight possible and I feel like it I mean it's frustrating to watch from afar because I like you but also I can't imagine what it's like for you because you're like when am I going to get my flowers when am I going to get my credit no yeah I mean like I said when it's when it's all said and done the only thing I could think of is the aftermath of the Ryan fight people didn't like the way that was handled do you regret any of that um regret like what do you mean the lawsuit and all that stuff yeah um the way that happened you know I was I would say that my team you know my team was I'm I'm that wasn't something I'm I'm a fighter you know I want to get it back in the ring I want to get it back in blood And that was my mindset from the start, from the start to the end. You know, I've always wanted to do a rematch. And after the fight, I said that. I said, you know, the better man won tonight.

Maybe we do it again in the future. That was immediately after the fight. That's what I said. And then whatever, he tested positive for the PDs. And it was just, you know, it was a fucked up situation, you know, for me and my team. because we got the short end of the stick, you know, it was a guy that cheated, and I was getting all the flag. A lot of, you know, I missed out on a lot of money.

I missed out on a lot of opportunities for a guy who cheated me. But I wouldn't have wanted to do it like that, which I didn't end up doing it like that. I didn't go down that route. It's done? I end up, you know, wanted to, I said, listen, let's fight. Let's forget that. Forget any lawsuit, forget anything.

Let's settle it in the ring, and that's when we were scheduled to fight. Okay. So that's not being pursued anymore. Yeah. Do you think from a perception standpoint people were like, man, that's not fighting, like you don't sue people in fighting, and that's why some people. PDs is not fighting neither. It's great.

No, listen, you didn't do anything wrong from an athletic and integrity standpoint. I can understand what they're saying, but at the end of the date, you know, I signed up for a fair fight. You know, PDs is not, it's not a fair fight. But like I said, I want to get it back. in the ring, you know. I didn't even have a problem with the lawsuit, to be honest. You do what you got to do. It's like there's a fight.

I don't know if you follow UFC, but the heavyweight champ just got poked in the eye this weekend. And he's getting shit for not continuing with the fight. He couldn't see as opposed to the guy who poked him in the eye. It's kind of the same thing. The perpetrator, if you will, gets off. And it's the dude who actually had something inflicted upon him that gets all the heat. Yeah, well, like I said, I'm a fighter.

and I want to get it back in the ring. You know, the business man and the business side of me say, okay, well, we need to capitalize on the situation because of this and that, but the fighter trumps everything. And like I said, the most importance is, for me, is to making sure that we do a rematch. My one gripe, and I said this on the air,

so I won't hide it, I wish that you guys fought in Times Square. Because you know what happens, you guys fight on the same card, one guy slips, and now we don't get the rematch. That was the fight I wanted to see more than any. And you guys were right there fighting on the same night in the same venue, and it was like a tease. You know what I mean? I think that, but I think if it would have went, if he would have won, it would have been a great.

It would have been a great buildup for the fight. But it always feels like something goes awry. You know what I mean? When they try to do it too perfect like that. Yeah, I feel like when there's always two guys on the same car, yeah, it's always in the fight. And then one dude loses. Yeah, it always goes. Remember like Caleb Plant fighting recently?

They're like, okay, and if he wins and then he loses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but everything happens for a reason. You know, I allows a perfect planner. So here I am fighting Brian Norman, the champion, you know, become champion again. Maybe he'll become champion and we unify. Yeah.

I don't know. Do you still want that one? Does it still— That's what—that's what I just said, that, you know, the most important thing for me is, you know, getting it back. Yeah. Because it's a lot of, you know, unanswered questions. There's a lot of question marks there between that fight. He believes what he believes.

I believe what I believe. and that's the most important thing for me is just answer those questions for myself for the fans and yeah I saw you tweeted a picture of you two facing off and you said like round two or something like that like when you see Ryan is there here it is the picture right there

where is that by the way oh he tweeted it sorry is that recently? Yeah that was recent yeah that's post Times Square yeah that was recent so is there animosity here what do you what do you

guys saying to each other of course it's animosity uh you know i was cheated i was you know he he i didn't have a fair fight and you know it was it was fucked up but it's basis at the end of the day so yes it's animosity but at the end of the day um we got to come together to to make a fight happen uh no matter what so of course but are we friends no yeah but will we talk to make a fight happen yeah Brian Norman's an interesting one because you just said you think he's the best guy but I've also seen in a bunch of interviews you say like who's he fought he's fought he's not one top rank just like set him up like who's the last guy that he knocked out Jin Sasaki you're like who's that guy and compare it to my resume so do you think he's the

best guy just because he has that belt or do you actually think he's the best guy I think that he's the best guy okay I think that he's the best guy at 147 um yeah I think he that he's the best guy from what we've seen but it's also hard to be able to really give him a good grade because it's against tomato cans. You think those these are tomato cans? I mean, I'm not saying I'm not

okay, let me put it like this. But there's levels to tomato cans, right? There's like... All right, well, I can't save their tomato cans. All I can say is I don't know them. Right. You really not know like a Sasaki? Do you really? I didn't know Jin Sasaki until now. Yeah, yeah.

I didn't know him until he fought him. I generally did not know him. and so again I knew why do you think he's the best guy if he's not I knew

Burbore Chica I think his name is I knew him from the amateurs but if he's not fighting the top guys how do you know that he's the best guy or why do you feel

like he's the best guy based on what you see him? We never really know until you know are you impressed when you see him fight like all right this guy's got skills

like no yeah he definitely has passed the eye test but like I said against guys we never heard of so we know

we know that top rank has the best matchmakers in boxing we know that do you say that you say that as a compliment or as like a a shot at them both okay no no no no no no no but we we know that though we know that they they'll matchmake their guys and put them in opportunities to win and look good because when i hear of great matchmakers i think like they're the best at building they're the best at building fighters i think a guy like eddie you know he's he's good at building at building fighters but he will put his guy's in tough and they'll fuck around and lose we've seen it that to me is a better matchmaker I prefer that matchmaking more because I want to see close fights yeah

well you're but you're saying as a fan but I'm talking about the business yeah business of boxing right when you're trying to build us build a star build a champion um I think top rank is the best at that Eddie will it's more like you know he will put you in there tough and if you pass the test then you you are the real deal right right right so I saw the interaction between you two guys in New York a whole little fracas happened there what was that all about yeah um i don't even remember to be honest you don't remember oh here it is to to jog your memory what's going on here there's your dad no that wasn't that wasn't the interaction though but oh that was he put his finger in your chest

yeah he put his finger in my chest and then is this your security who's that guy this dude got hip tossed over here this is crazy is this in the hotel he had them both by their thing by their fucking shirts at the same time what sparked this though

he put his finger on my right but like even before that like what sparked all the talking and I don't know I don't remember you don't remember I remember but you gotta that's kind of where it starts

yeah that's exactly where it started like we was talking shit and put his finger did you have any history with him prior nah I didn't know him you didn't know him I seen him

and top rank one time, but that was it. I didn't really, you know, I wasn't really familiar with him like that. How do you feel about him now? You did the press conference with him and all that stuff? I mean, at the end of the day, he's going to do what he's going to do on November 22nd. I'm going to do what I'm going to do. No matter what I feel, no matter how he feels, we both going to go in there and with a game plan and we're going to both try to execute our game plan and the better man is going to win,

and that's going to be me. It doesn't matter how I feel about him. It don't matter how he feel about me at the end of the day. Well, I'm just curious because I'm just curious because, You know, we like the stories, right? Yeah, no, for sure. But, I mean, I could come up with a, you know, a crazy story. Yeah, I hate the guy.

Yeah. You know. But you're just sort of indifferent towards him. But it's boxing. He's a champion. He's a champion for now. And I'm coming to take the belt from him, beat him. And that's it.

I mean, I don't got nothing to really say. I don't got, like, a long, drawn-out story. I don't really know. He's very confident. Yeah, for sure, as he should be. Yeah. as he should be what do you what do you make his dad a lot of people don't like his dad uh tom brink has did you know a lot of building to for him to be confident here's another one uh brian norman senior is too

emotional remember i said that and then you wrote that's why he was 18 and 11 as a boxer he was a bum he'd been knocked out six times did you know that did the dad i didn't know that no yeah he's been knocked out six times he talks a lot too he says well he annoys a lot of people but i mean fuck he's 1811 you shouldn't be talking like that if you've been knocked out six times he got some nervous at anything about a chin

yeah I mean he made the walk and if we think that his son we think that his son ain't fought nobody who the fuck he fought he really ain't fought nobody so um

so is he annoying you more than no he don't know he don't know where's he talking on Twitter all over all over all over yeah maybe I don't know

if he don't know he's on Twitter. Maybe YouTube. He'd be on YouTube. Okay, okay. You see, do you watch this stuff to motivate you? No, I don't be paying him no mind. I don't be paying him to. But do people send you stuff to like, oh, you see what this guy said? No, nobody sends me his shit. If I go on YouTube, maybe I'll see it, but people don't send me his shit. Like, he, but I know he does a lot of interviews and, you know, he do a lot of talking. So his son, his son is going to have to back up what he says um and if not then it'd be fucking standing there with his dick in his hand

yeah what do you think it's going to be like in re-ad like do you think they're going to have to i mean that was pretty that was pretty intense over there you guys just and i know there's no security really no i mean at the end of the day we got to fight on every 22nd so he's professional i'm professional um we we're not going to fuck the money up yeah his team my team we're going to be two professionals. We both, you know, came all the way to Saudi Arabia, and we're going to, you know, make sure that we make it to the fight, both healthy and ready to fight.

You excited about this? As you said, Muslim getting a chance to fight in Saudi Arabia. It's your first time in Riyadh. It's a dream. It's a dream of mine to fight in the kingdom. You know, I've been wanting to fight over there for a while now, and so now the time has came. So I'm super excited.

When do you go? I go on the first, November 1st. Okay, so you'll give yourself three weeks to get acclimated. Yeah, I'll be training over there and get acclimated and be ready to go. Do you negotiate directly with Turkey? Yeah. So you don't have a promoter now. You're your own promoter.

Exactly. Okay, so you don't have any sort of like Eddie or any top rank or anything like that. No, I mean. He's top rank. Yeah, he's with top rank. You just go straight, you go straight with turkey. What was that like? I like turkey.

Yeah. I like turkey. He looks over me, he looks out for me. I'm happy with what he's doing for boxing. Boxing has more structure now. The fighters are fighting each other. He's making the fighters fight each other. So I think boxing is in the best place.

It's been in a very long time. Definitely. And I think it's because of Turkey. What do you make of the state of top rank, though? Like he's a top rank guy fighting on this card, Abdulah Mason. They don't have a TV home. They haven't put on an event since July. July yeah it's not great I mean I don't know how much longer top brain got you think so

I mean I know they had a great they had a great run amazing run legendary he's coming out to an end you think so I think that would be bad why for boxing I mean that's that's one of the top promotions in in America it's them I wonder what I wonder where all their fighters are going to go yeah well now you got like Richard Torres is a big name he's fighting on some random card Michaela Mayer's fighting I see one fighter today he's fighting on Tubey yeah

Michaela Mayor is on like top rank classic classics tomorrow no it's like I don't even know what that is in a way fought on Facebook

that sucks and and Abdullah Mason's on the card he's a huge deal I think I think he's a superstar in the making do you agree yeah yeah oh hell yeah Brian Norman

he's on you know they're just all the fighters are kind of getting dispersed into the wild but I feel like for the sport in America they

They're throwing him to the wolves. They throwing Brian Norman to the wolves, man. Yeah. It's a mistake. They don't got no home. So you wouldn't care if they went under? No, that would suck, man. Oh.

I love Bob Aaron. He treated me well. I made history with them, Faloma, Camposos. Yeah, no, I would hate to see them go. But I wished him well. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. What's the beef? What's the beef?

I don't have no beef with them. I don't have any beef with them. By the way, the teeth here are crazy. That's unbelievable, man. Thank you. Now, I just would hate to see Toprento. What? Wow.

No, I generally have... You're going to say one more time or then you're going to laugh at you? No, no. No, I got to say one last thing that we can move on. Sure, sure, sure. I generally have love for Bob. Bob is... Is there other people there you don't like?

Bob is a great guy. Derek Harmon, I like Derek, you know Derek Harmon? No. Well, he works for Top Rink. Todd DeBiff? Derek Harmon was my first boxing coach. Oh, okay. Yeah, so he like literally, like, my first day in the gym, he taught me how to throw

jab, taught me how to, like, how to go on a boxing stance. So, always will have love for him. Always will have love for Top Rang. You're going to be that guy who showed, you know the meme of the guy who shows up to the funeral? That's going to be you. I don't know, I don't know what, I don't know what meme. You don't know that one? That dude who showed up to his haters funeral.

That's going to be you. And the nice suit. No, no. No, that's not going to be you. Oh. All right. They, they had a good run. Okay, so you're saying it in the past tense.

You think they're done? I don't know. Okay. I don't know. They've had a good run. But maybe they'll get it. Maybe they'll get a network. We never know.

Like, they're fucking top break. They've done it up until this point. So I will not be surprised if they get a network. You're always tapped into the business side of things. So can I ask you this? A hot topic has been this Ali Act that they're trying to amend. Yeah. Have you paid attention to this?

And if so, what do you make of this? Yeah, I mean, I think it should say how it is. You think so? Why? And can you speak into the microphone? Sorry. Yeah, no, I think that it should stay how it is. why you know it was it was put in place to protect to protect fighters and I think you agree

because I've seen that you've been asking a bunch of fighters about it yes um yeah no I mean I think it was it was just put in place for it to protect us so of course they're going to try to get it out but is it weird that this new promotion is coming in and the first thing that they're trying to do is change this yeah I mean I'm not educated enough on it on on you know what angle they're going at how to you know remove it or whatever the fuck is going on but I just think that you know us fighters need to come together to to protect to protect the the fighters coming up and um to protect the sport really to be honest every single fighter and promoter that I've talked to about this like vehemently says no

keep it even the promoters like even the eddies and the Oscars of the world that's why I don't see how like but then when California had hearing and there were no boxing people on it I don't understand that's why I didn't understand is how because every person every person I talk to they're saying the same thing but I don't understand how it's like even a thing like how it's even like why it's even being changed why it's being talked about and why we're not standing up to right did you even know like did anyone ever come to you and say like hey do you want to speak on behalf of this no no yeah maybe that's the problem these things are kind of happening you're you're bringing exposure to it I know and then they hate me for it yeah but I think I think I think

There was a reason it was put in place. Muhammad Ali, you know, when he was alive, was on board with it, right? And so I can't imagine he would change his stance. He was always about the fighters. He was always about protecting and doing what's right. So Muhammad Ali came up with that. He endorsed it. It started in 1996 and it went into effect in 2000.

So he was alive in 1996. He passed away in 2016. So there were 20 years there. Obviously it got worse over time. But it wasn't like they just did it on behalf of him. He was on board with it. You know what I mean? And now they have said that his widow, Lonnie, is endorsing this, the changes.

But Ali's grandson, Nico Ali Walsh, who's also a fighter, has said my grandfather would never be on board with this. So there's kind of like a thing. Like, who knows what he would have wanted? I tend to lean towards like, why don't we just stick with what he wanted when he was alive, you know? I would say he passed away. Who's to say what he wants, what he doesn't want? you know like you said let's stay what yeah when he was when he was here and it was just it's just it's there to protect the fighters you know i don't see why transparency rankings

you know not be and what about the belts you know they don't want to you know they want to have their own belt the zufa boxing belt how do you feel about that and no wBC wbo ibf wbf i think that is you know things that's wrong with the sport of boxing not everything is perfect But the things that I'm hearing that they're that are trying to be changed aren't the things that's wrong. Of course, you know, the ranking systems and, you know, stuff like that, the mandatories and stuff like that. Maybe it could be fixed with the belts and stuff like that. It could be tweaked. But as far as, you know, just getting rid of the belts, this is what made boxing, boxing.

This is, you know, this is like what kids grew up to strive for and to, you know, be inspired by being, you know, undisputed champion. in and then you know it just it would it would suck if they changed it what about just dana coming into boxing how do you think you'll do i think that that's good for boxing yeah you know another big player in the sport of boxing um i'm not i'm not too caught up on you know what you know his angle or whatever you know i don't i don't really know how he's what he's coming in to do whatever but the more people that come into boxing it it always helps so like i said That's why I would hate to see top rank go because at the end of the day, the more people in boxing, the more promoters, the more sides, the more, you know, leverage us fighters have, you know, it's better. Did you watch Crawford-Cinello?

Yeah. I was there, yeah. Oh, you were there, okay. That was a pretty great scene. Yeah, no, Crawford. Impressive. Did you think that was going to happen? Crawford's the man.

Yeah, no, for sure. I thought that he was going to win. I was saying it for a jump. I was saying if anybody was, if anybody was able to do it, it would be Crawford. And he went in there, he handicapped Canello, and he just, he made it look easy, to be honest. It was crazy. It was like a masterclass. There was a couple times where Connello was, like, whiffing, and it was like, wow.

Yeah, he made it, he made it look easier than what I thought he would. You think he's the best fighter in the world right now? For sure. Not Usak? I think Usak is number two. Okay. And then Inouye? I think Inouye's number three, yeah.

Where's Devin Haney? We got to see on November 22nd. This would be your third different title in a different weight class. I mean, that's the definition of pound for pound. Yeah, the world needs to see, you know, what Devin Haney shows up. Okay.

You need to see, you know, me against, you know, a champion, a guy who, like they said, is kryptonite to my style. They need to, you know, see how I beat him with fashion I beat him in. And then I'll let the people decide. You know, at the end of the day, the pound for pound list

is a pain in a list it's you know it's everybody has a different pound for pound list nobody has the same so we'll see where you put me where he puts me

she puts me you know do you have a chip on your shoulder though like do you feel like you have something to prove do you feel like people are are not talking about you enough as one of the top dogs I've been like this for

it's been like this for a long time you know they they they've I've been doubted I've been email champion I've been you know pillow punching I've been this for a long time. So whatever they say, it is what is I'm used to.

I'm built for it. I just want to keep beating the best fighters in the world. I want to be champion again. And, you know, back on top of a division. And that's most important. They're going to say something regardless. I think that a lot of people will give me, you know, my credit after this fight because a lot of people are doubting.

So it's set up for me to, you know, receive a lot of credit. and a lot of people are going to be surprised with the fashion that I beat him in, but are people going to say something? Of course. And that doesn't bother you? I'm used to it. Yeah.

I've never had it any other way. Right. They've never gave him my credit. I feel like after Pro Gray, you were starting to get... Even after, you know, the Loma, fought a lot of...

Yeah. Beed Loma and a pound for pound, a pound for pound, great. You know, he's going in the Hall of Fame. And they said, oh, he lost that fire. If Loma was robbed and this and that, you know, they're going to say something regardless.

And so do you think Crawford's going to retire? I would love for him to retire. Really? I think he accomplished everything in the sport of boxing. I mean, it's not too much more that he can accomplish. But he's just like now made it as a superstar. So there's a few more paydays, and he's shown no signs of slowing down. Yeah, no, I mean, can he still go at and compete at the highest level?

Of course, I think that he used to beat the best fighters in a row. But it will always be more. It will always be somebody new. It's always going to be, they make somebody new every day. Right. So it's going to be, oh, this person. Oh, that person now. Okay, this person now.

So it's always going to be like that. So if you were him, you think you would walk away at this point? I got to be him. I got to get to his shoes first and tell you what I would do. But given, like, his age and his resume and everything he's done, this would be a good time, right? Like, wow, what a fight to walk away. But I just feel like there's too much money to be had. There's too much money to be earned.

Yeah, I mean. It's hard to turn down, you know, those millions of dollars, you know, hundreds of millions. Hundreds of millions of dollars when you're, when you're, when you're on your A game. He was like ignored, right? Yeah, when you're on your A game, like you said, no signs is slowing down. It's hard. It'll be hard to, but.

But then if he fought that UFC champion, Ilya, would all go crashing down, right? Wait, what do you mean? Why? Because Ilya would beat him. No, I'm just joking. That was a good debate. me up for that way. That was a big debate afterwards after the fight. I've seen it before the fight. Yeah. I didn't like, because Ilya was sizing them up or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's boxing. No chance. It's levels. Right. And, and okay, so what about you? You beat Brian Norman, who makes sense? How do you plan out 2026? Um, I think that Ryan needs to get a win. Okay. And then we need to pursue that fight. He doesn't even have a fight. That's why I say he needs to. I know. It's just, I'm saying like it's, I feel. I'm saying, like, it's, I feel like he needs to get back on the horse yeah that's the biggest fight for me yeah um at 147 but i want to fight the best fighters in the world um it doesn't matter to me like guys say this but like you can vouch i am that yeah literally it does not matter it does not matter you know anybody at 147 want to fight the best fighters in the world make the biggest fights

happen i want to become undisputed again that's that that is a goal of mine um and it's simple the 147 pound division is my division now and I'm here to take it over man that boots fight would have been great yeah I think that uh eventually we'll be at the same way and uh we'll cross paths he keeps winning I keep winning um were you impressed it wasn't it was against a guy I didn't know right right I never knew him quick yeah so I cannot say this about Brian Norman and then go say, oh, well, Boots, he showed me something crazy. Like, it was against a guy that we

didn't know. Right. Do I think that Boots has a lot of skills? Do I have, has Boots been good for a long time? Yes, since we were kids. He's always been good. But I don't think that he's letting himself, you know, be able to really showcase it against the best fighters in the world. And I think that he can,

but I just think that he hasn't given himself the opportunity to, but I see that they're talking about him fighting Virgil. So I think that, I think that's a great fight. Who wins? I think that's a great fight. What about Tank and Jake? How do you feel about him doing this? Yeah, I mean, it's an exhibition fight, so. Do you have any issues with him not taking the Roach rematch and doing this instead? Hey, that's his business at the end of the day. He, uh, that's his business. We all know what, you know, we all know what that means. We know that it was

much more at stake, you know, him fighting Jake rather than fighting Lamont. Did we all want to see Lamont fight? Yeah. Yeah. I think that they'll still do it. You think so? If... He said he was going to retire at the end of the year. Yeah, I don't believe that. You don't believe that? I think that, uh, him and Lamont will probably fight, so. So you think he just takes this one, gets the payday in? Do you think it will be a competitive fight? The first one was competitive. Oh, I was talking about Jake, yeah. Yeah, um, I don't know. I don't know. I want to see that fight. You're going to watch?

For sure. Who do you think wins? Just because, like, Jake doesn't, Jake is a decent boxer. He's, he has skills, and he works hard, he's dedicated to the sport, and he's big. At the end of the day, he's big, and Tank is small. So it's an intriguing fight. I'm definitely going to tune in. Does Tank have way more experience?

He's been boxing since he was a kid. Yeah, so. Should he go in there and win? Yes. But I don't know the rules. I don't know the ends and outs of the fight, but I folk with Jake. I want to see the fight. You like Jake?

Yeah, I like Jake, yeah. Okay. Do you ever talk, like, I saw he brought Shakur in to help him train. That's crazy. Like the sight of him and Shakor in the ring together. That's why I want to see. That's why I want to see the tank fight. I just want to like see.

Do you think tank is going to try to knock him out? Me, knowing tank? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the tank I know for sure. Because he has pride, right? He doesn't want to just get it.

Yeah, that's just tank. So I think that, yeah, I think it would try for sure. Wow. Would you have to, like, if you weren't preparing, would you have taken the opportunity to help him prepare for this? Would you have been into that? Jake, like if he called you, because he's looking for smaller guys, right? Yeah, no, I mean, I like Jake.

Is everything okay? It was a leaf. Oh, okay. Sorry, my bad, my bad. That's okay. I like Jake I like Jake I like Jake

Okay That's it Why do you leave it at that How do you feel about Tank These days I think that Tank is a great fighter I think that

He don't test his skills Against the best fighters in the world Even though Lamont Lamont surprised everybody Lamont has You know he's always been good But nobody thought that Lamont Will put that up

put that kind of fight up against tank so he surprised he surprised everybody but I don't think that tank is really testing himself or you know wanting to test himself against the best fighters in the world

even though I think that he could beat them would you say he's the anti-devin Haney you would say that you would say that the way you're describing you would say that the way you're describing him right you've chased the big names and I think the knock on him from some people has been

that he hasn't. I think a lot of fighters are like that. Right. So, you know, a lot of the fighters today are, you know, do the opposite of what I do, you know. I think Bam, I like Bam. Okay. I was just going to ask you,

who do you respect the way they handle their career? Yeah, I like Bam. He's on your card. Bam, he tests himself. He fights, he wants to fight the best fighters in the world. He keeps going up and way down and weight, whatever is he's doing. I don't even know.

I can't keep up. Yeah. But I know that he's testing himself. Benavides? Benavides, for sure. He's fighting Yard on your card? It's a great card, man. Yeah, my dad helped make that fight happen.

Oh, really? Yeah. On who's in? What do you mean? Like, who, like whose side is he on there? Oh, well, he's, I'm friends with Benavides and Yard. Okay. And, you know, Yard reached out to my pops, you know, saying, you know, they were trying to,

they just wanted an opportunity. So, you know, my dad put his together, you know, Benavides, Yard, and now it's happening. But, I mean, like I said, we're friends with Yard and we're friends of Benavita. Okay. But are you living in New York now? No. My dad lives in New York. So what happens with training camp?

I just did training camp in Denver. Okay. And, yeah, I was doing, I did training. Because of the elevation? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Do you usually go there?

No. My last camp was in Big Bear, Burrard is. And this last one was in Denver. So I really liked how it was in Big Bear. I really liked the elevation. It made me feel really good, so I went to Denver. I liked it. You liked it?

Yeah. Would you move to New York as well? Nah. You don't strike me as a New York guy. Nah. I like New York. I spend a lot of time here. I'm here a lot, but I like the hotels and just.

Right, right. You don't want to actually live here. Yeah, I wouldn't. Because I live in, I live in L.A., and I live in Florida. Okay. So, and I like to tag. Texas in Florida. Yeah.

No Texas, no state taxes, right? Yeah. So will your dad, does your dad go to the training camp with you? Yeah, of course. So he was in Denver the whole time? Yeah. Okay. Okay, so what happens?

November 22nd. What are you thinking? What are you feeling? I think the world would be very surprised with, you know, how I beat Brian Norman. And... This should be the main event. Maybe I agree. I agree.

Even though, like I said... It's a great fight. But I feel... This is my bro. Yard is my bro. the fight that everybody's talking about is me and Norman. But, I mean, that's not for me to really focus on. At the end of the day, you know, Turkey, everything that I asked for, he gave me.

And it is what it is. I'm happy to be, you know, to be back fighting for, you know, the title to become champion again. And I look forward to it on every 22nd becoming three division champion. And the ring belt, you said you wanted. Yeah, I do want the ring belt. Yeah. But I don't know. I don't, is it on the line?

No, I don't think it's on the line. Isn't that just for undisputed? No. So, like, how do they determine? Because, like, T.L. has the ring belt at 140, but not disputed. It becomes, like, the number one guy. Okay. And boots is gone, so who's the number one guy?

Did he have it before? Yeah. Okay. So it's vacant. Yeah. So have you asked Turkey? not directly why not

you do you text with them yeah yeah I text them yeah you should ask me I'm asking the new ring belt is pretty sweet like they they souped it up a little bit I like it yeah I like it I said I want it

yeah I want it I like the ring belt though since a young kid I always liked the ring belt when I came out when I walked out with Zab Judah I said a young kid I had the ring belt I was carrying a ring belt and like people asked me like what made you choose that belt and I was like I just like the way that it looks

Yeah, yeah, yeah, legendary. Yeah, so hopefully I can fight for it again on November 22nd, win it again. Right. I had it one time before. Yeah, yeah. So. I wonder how many people have wanted in multiple different weight classes. Quite a few.

Off top of the dome, yeah. I mean, it's been around for like 100 years or something. Yeah, I think it's a lot of, yeah, I think a lot of people have. All right. Well, it's another one to potentially go for us. So November 22nd, it's on to zone pay-per-view. Yeah. Soon they're going to get rid of pay-per-view.

At least they said that. I think it's time to put. heard them say that i know they say it a lot but i just for the sport to grow for the sport to be seen by as many people as possible not behind a paywall would be best this is such a good card this is one of the best cards of the year in my opinion stack like look at the names on this benavitas you bam norman yard i mean it's unbelievable i was i was i was happy for uh better bf to be on it because i'm a fan of arthur better be it yeah uh but he he got injured right he's not on this he was he was on it though oh he was originally was he was originally on it but then he got

Again, too. Benevitas? No, no, no, no. He was fighting, like... Someone else? Yeah. Okay. Like a stay busy fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.

He was the first fight, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. He's incredible. Yeah, he's a monster. He's unbelievable. There's a lot to be excited about in boxing. You know, top ranks alive and well.

Big fights happening in Riyadh. You know, you crack in jokes. You're, you're, I can't get, I can't stop staring at your teeth. Yeah, I know, I just hear it. Look at that. Oh, yeah. Look at that zoom in there from Brad. How many, how many carrots?

what do you do you brush do you brush that or like yeah of course yeah can you take it out no you can't permanent yeah and you have on the bottom too you have to use a water flosser i use a water flosser to get in between my teeth every night not every night okay yeah but you got to keep those like i brushed them but yeah to like get in like deep out like how many are they three and three two and two and two and what about on the bottom and it's just going on the bottom yo that is like you've reached a certain level oh my god don't start no i mean you've reached

at a certain level. Are they new? No, I had them. They're like sparkling in my face. I feel like I could skate so much ice on there. Brush my teeth today. Nice. Good for you. Devin Haney is the man. Good luck to you. Thank you for stopping by. Do you have other media to do this afternoon?

You've got Crystal there. No, that's it. I think I'm done for the day. Is it true? You said you just wanted to do this show and nothing else? The only one that keeps it real, right? All these other haters. No, remember you were mad at me because I stood you up one time. You stood me up one time, yeah. Why did you stand me up? I don't remember.

Was I really mad? You were mad. Nah. No, you were mad. What did I say? What did I say? I was like, hey, man, that wasn't... Oh, yes, yes.

I remember now. I remember, yes. It was for a great reason, actually. I don't remember what the reason was. Well, I don't know if we want to talk about here. Crystal doesn't want to talk. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't mad about that.

Oh, you weren't mad about that. That's not true. We didn't get the heads up. Yeah, yeah. I do remember that. Okay, yeah. But we've had like a million since. You still remember.

You were like, Oh, we've only had like one since, I think. Nah, no, that's not true. I think so, maybe two. I think actually you came, you fought in New York and you didn't come. You didn't come visit us. You were fighting in Times Square.

Yeah. And they were like, no, he doesn't, he doesn't. Maybe I didn't get invited. No, your dad came. Maybe he was just invited. Your dad is great. I love talking to your dad.

But it was weird that your dad came and you didn't come. I don't think, I think you wanted him. I think you said, nah. Crystal, is that true, Crystal? Just bring, you know, Bill just come. Wow, she said, she's got your back. You know, he said, only bill.

I was like, all right. Well, by the way, your bro, your younger bro. Yeah. Is he, is he, uh, boxing, yeah. I saw him at Fanatics Fest with your dad, actually. It was great. Bro, he's so good. He's so good already.

So what's that? What's his record? He hasn't had any amateur price. Okay. And he, he started boxing in May, last training camp. What was he, like a gymnast or something? No, he was a tennis player. Tennis player, yes.

And, like, he was. like play tennis or whatever and then like I would like be like bro you know that's just lame yeah you know boozy like come on out yeah he'd be like no I like tennis I like tennis or whatever but I would just still be like bro like whatever come on because he would never be like he didn't like he would he would never watch tennis he would never be like excited for like practice with tennis but he would do he would he would train hard like two times a day he would train every day he was like dedicated but he would just wouldn't do it with a smile on his face he didn't seem happy to do it yeah but he would watch boxing he would talk about boxing he would you know like he would you would think he was a

boxing he knew everything about boxing he can say here and tell you everything about box i ask him about fighters like oh who did he fight or when was his fight he could tell me everything so um my dad's just basically was like he's done he's done playing tennis like like come on come on over so then when he first started boxing i was like i don't know like he didn't have it Yeah, because, well, he was a natural a little bit, but it was just like, I know what it takes to be a boxer. I know how much sacrifice and discipline and everything and, you know, just taking punches. And I didn't really see it in him. Like, I just didn't see it.

But, bro, he's good. He's got it? Yeah, he's how old? He's 15. Oh, that's it. Oh, wow. He's that young. Okay, I didn't realize he was that young.

When at your fight in Times Square, he kept hitting me. I think he's 15. Oh, do you think he's older? I'm not going to put him out there like that. Why, what's wrong with that? He's a teenager. I don't know. I don't know.

What is he actually like 34? And he's going. I don't know, maybe 19, 15, 15, I don't know. Well, I saw him at your fight in Times Square and he kept asking me who's winning, who's winning? Who do you think's winning? He was asking for my scorecard. And I was like, wow, this is a lot of pressure. Because if I say Jose's winning, I'm going to get one two.

No, I didn't say that. I didn't say that. But he was into it. He was super into it. But y'all were sitting next to each other. Yeah. You know, I had VIP seats in the front. You're a big shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he came back for the Ryan fight, and then he was asking me about that. I enjoyed him. But I didn't realize. And then I started to see the videos on your dad's page, I think, of him in the ring. And you could tell he's got skills. Like, bro, he's good. He's good.

He surprises me. He surprises me. So you think he'll go pro at some point? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. I, it's still.

early though yeah he has it's it's so much like he got to you know get an amateur fight then he got to get an amateur tournament then he got to get you know fucking beat up and you know like really feels and got get a beat he got us to get beat up every day you know like from a same guy like you know same guy just keep beating you can't get past him like it's so many obstacles that he has to you know climb um few weeks in teawana yeah you got to go to tijuana you know he got you got to go fighting some bars yeah yeah it's a lot of obstacles so but right now he's doing all the beating up like and we keep getting like better guys like kids with like a bunch of amateur fights but he's good he if if he stays like this then he could be like

wow all right well something to look out for uh for now though very much looking forward to november 22nd ring four read people's main event that's what i'm calling it devon hayney against bryan norman junior um anthony anthony uh anthony ar david benavita is abdula mason Bam Rodriguez. It's like Bam is like fourth fight on this card. It's crazy. So that's going down November 22nd. We'll take a quick break. Thank you very much for stopping by. Really appreciate it. Good luck to you. No beef. No beef. Might have been one-sided. I don't know, but not on this end.

I think it was beef because you only invited my dad last time. Don't pay that. We'll be back with Matt Brown. Don't go anywhere. Back on the program, that was G.C. on the mean streets of New York City. That was the fight feast for the 321. Do we have, by the way, Have we monitored what the record is of the person from the country that you've done Fight Feast on? Like, Fight Feast, I think, how many have we done? 20-something at this point? Yeah, I think we're, we might be up to 30 now.

Okay, what do you think the record is? The record for what? Like, so you did English food because of Tom Aspinall, right? Yeah. Tom Aspenall didn't win, no contest. The point is, like, you do check food. What is the record of the person? You know what I mean?

It's actually a great question. I'm going to have to do that. Yeah, can we go into the archives and see? Yeah. What do you think? I think it's actually pretty good. There's no such thing as the Fight Feast curse. It used to be the merch curse.

There was the T-shirt curse. The T-shirt curse. It's actually funny that you mentioned that because I was just alerted that the Czech fight feast is actually doing well because we were featured on a on a Czech website. Hell yeah. Yes. It was big stuff for. for the fight feast brand i love that and next one's gonna next one's gonna be great dare i say next one will be a movie right it's definitely a movie it's definitely a movie the white whale has been

oh my dear oh my dear that would be the week of uh 322 right can't wait what about those uh those pearly whites yeah man you i mean you stuck the landing on the uh ice skater line every time every time so much ice I could skate on it. It's just, and everyone loves it. Everyone appreciates it. For me, it's like the 89th time I've heard it back here. For them, it's the first time. I just want to let you guys know.

When I say that, when I say, you know, satin sheets, silk pajamas. Just another Tuesday. That or you almost forgot. I say it for an audience of like five to six. I want, I'm, I want you to know, I'm envisioning you guys in the control room being like, oh, there he is, saying it again. Oh, yeah. When the diamond conversation started up, I was like...

And more often than not, they like it. They enjoy the line, I think, you know, the guess? But the teeth are phenomenal. By the way, did Dustin get the teeth? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt. There's that one... I saw that one video...

Of him on the plane? Yeah. Yeah, I think he had a couple Sky Miles cocktails. Can I be honest? Sure. I threw it in the group chat and no and responded I wasn't sure if it was taboo

At that point I think it was a bit of old news Oh wow, I just saw it Day later Really? Yeah Yeah the teeth were like I mean it's amazing So those teeth Like can they never get yellow

Do they never change Like is what's the point of brushing your teeth at that point Do they just never change colors? I think gum health probably matters I do think they will change colors But I think they have an easier cleaning process like you don't have to worry about the must be fantastic

but what about what about the process to get there you know who is the best in all of sports who do you think has the best ones probably someone that you don't realize that they are right well yeah I guess I think Dana had them and I would say I think his are really good

because you can't tell I feel like they've gone more and more noticeable over the years yeah I mean it's like bad plastic surgery right yeah you're right fillers you got work done like And no one can tell. The best compliment is that you can't tell. Yeah, you're right.

That's a good point. Botox and things like that. Yeah. Why do people do this? Sometimes my wife will be like, I think I should get both. I'm like, no, just be, just age gracefully. Judy's a currency, man. Don't even dye your hair.

Just let it go. Just do your thing. Looks matter. Yeah, I guess. But I think more often than not, it kind of looks a little bit different. Unless you get good work done. Yeah. But there's like super famous people.

you're like, hmm, you don't look the same for some reason. I don't know. Lindsay Lohan's doing well. What are you trying to say? Lindsay Lohan got worked on. How do you know? It was made public. Oh.

Did you see Sidney at the World Series? Yeah, I did. Rocking the Show. She was wearing a showy Otani? Yeah. It's messed up. Did you see the Duchess of, what is she? The Duchess of something.

Sussex? Sussex. rocking the Dodgers hat. Respect. She's Canadian. Oh, she's not British? She's from Ontario. Wow.

Like, she's actually from the province that the Blue Jays are from. We're talking about... Megan Markle. Oh, Megan Markle. She was there rocking... Who do you think I was talking about? Kate Middleton.

No, why would she be there? They live in L.A., I think, right? Are they still part of the Royal Family? I don't know. I think they were ex-nade. The point is... And he's confirming, no. Megan Markle no longer part of the Royal Family.

What does that mean? She's married. to the guy. I mean, I guess they don't fucks with them, but like I'm saying, the point is, you're Canadian. What do you do? She's married to Prince Harry?

Yeah. Prince Harry no longer part of the royal family? That's the weird thing. I don't know. Change the last name? No. What is the royal family last name right now? It's a good question.

Charles. James Tihuno? What was the queen's last name? Elizabeth. No, that wasn't the last name, right? Yeah, it was Queen Elizabeth. No, I don't know what. let's see what is prince or king charles actually now right what is king charles last name oh it popped

up hmm charles philip arthur george mount baden windsor that's a fucking crazy man yeah windsor's the last name on that uh mount badden windsor or badden i guess i never really thought about the royal family yeah wait so what's uh what's harry's last name what is Harry's last name. Oh, Henry Charles Albert David. Huh. So his name is Harry David?

Oh, wait a second. For formal purposes, he uses Mount Bain in Windsor. But I've been around 43 years. Actually, my mom has like a very strong love of the... She loves Princess Diana in particular. That's all she was.

What was her last name? My mom? Sad. Oh, Diana's? What was Princess Diana's last name? Oh, how about this? Oh, yeah, I knew this. Diana Spencer, I knew that. Because she was just like a regular, you know.

I had no idea. Yeah, yeah. Shout to PD. Anyway, how do we get? Oh, yeah, Megan Marcus. She's wearing the Dodgers hat. It's crazy. Wait, how do we get to that?

How do we go? Oh, Sydney, Sweeney. And then how do we get to Sydney, Sweden. Sweeney. There was another... I'm very confused. I enjoyed this. I came in late and this was great. You were bullshit in heavy and then you were just like...

Googling the last names of the royals. This was fantastic. Oh, no, I don't remember. You hit the Great Jeans line. No, I did not. I did not. Anyway, they've told me four times that our guest is ready. So let me get to the guest because I think he's not appreciating this conversation.

Very much excited to talk to this man because, as I said at the top of the show, he has been killing it. He has been killing it. In my opinion, in a sea of... bootlickers. He has been a truth speaker. Great stuff. His pod on MMA fighting with Damon Martin is great. His Twitter feed is a great read. And I'm really looking forward to having a chat with Matt Brown. So let us say hello to the immortal one. Matt Brown, who is fresh off the operating table. Matt, it's great to have you. Thank you so much. How are you doing, by the way, because I saw on Monday you went under the knife, right? Yeah, it was just a small

arthroscopic surgery. It wasn't nothing major. Just removing some bone chips out of my elbow because apparently elbowing people in the face isn't good for the elbow either, I guess. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, among many other things. So you're feeling okay? No, I feel great, yeah. I feel already moving, actually already playing the guitar again.

Okay, oh yeah, and I saw you're doing some shows, right? You're playing at some venues. So what is this? Are you a part of a band? A little bit. I kind of jump in and out just don't have the time to dedicate to it

but yeah man what a blast it's like oh there you go there you are yes yeah yeah

it's like a fun little side gig man that we do here and there but you know maybe I'll take it serious one day I don't know

I don't think I'm that bad what kind of you seem great what kind of music um like that show was more like it was covers like hard rock system of the down

some audio slave did one megadeth song stuff like that okay okay um well like I said you've been doing a great job and you know it's interesting obviously I've been covering your career for a very long time we've talked a whole bunch of times fights after fights all that and and you know my impression was always like you were a very not no nonsense kind of guy like you didn't beat around the bush but you didn't like make a big stink like you weren't there to say hey look at me let me draw some attention and now I feel like you're really putting yourself out there as a pundit. Where did this side of you come from? How did this, how did this all develop? Yeah, it's interesting. So, yeah, I don't think of myself as maybe kind of the way

you're describing me, where I'm like trying to put myself out there anything. Like, I've always just said exactly what I feel. And that's the same thing I'm still doing. I mean, I'm just saying what I feel. I've certainly learned a lot since retiring because, like, realistically, when you're fighting and um every fighter would tell you this you know you're not thinking about the business stuff so much right you're thinking about um competing and you know you kind of we trust these quote unquote managers to handle the business side and i guess just you know with this lawsuit really um joining the i don't know if joining but you know being a part of the mMAFA you know there's some group chats and stuff that we have

I'm just really my eyes have opened to the industry and what's going on behind the scenes. And, yeah, it's just really open my eyes. And it's not that, you know, I guess kind of the reason I say I wouldn't necessarily describe it the way you describe it. Because I'm not like anti-UFC. I'm not like anti what they're doing. I don't hate them and I don't have like anger towards them, not disgruntled or, you know, I think a lot of people kind of take what the things that I've said as like, oh, well, you didn't, win a title. So you're just angry at the UFC or something. And it's just not like that at all.

It's just, I just speak my mind. That's all, it's literally all I do. And by the way, when I say pundit, you know, you could be a pundin who is just calling it down the middle. I wasn't suggesting that you're, you're anti-UFC or anything like that. But I do appreciate that you're putting your opinions out there. And they're always, I think, very much on point. Sometimes we agree something he's done. In fact, this past weekend, I said that the, the Joseph Parker fight was an absurd stoppage. And you disagreed with me. So I did, yeah. Yeah. there it is. I don't like the stoppage, but it's not absurd. By the way, why not? Why wasn't it absurd? Because he didn't miss a whole bunch of punches at the end there. Yeah, but the way

he looked, I mean, I think if you were a referee, like standing right there in front of it, I think you'd be like, okay, this guy doesn't want to be in here anymore. And he doesn't, he's not, his posture, his demeanor looked like he was ready to be out of there. And any punch could have really caused some bad damage to him. That was unnecessary. And it was like a foregone conclusion it felt like all right fair enough but look like i also get uh i just i didn't like the word absurd there fair you thought it was too much yeah i thought that was a little bit much but if if you said look i don't like a stoppage but yeah i didn't care for it but um i think he definitely could have kept fighting but i didn't think it was absurd i thought that was strong very see this is a good

pundit you're you're you're dissecting the words i like this um yeah we we heard you on the uh california athletic commission call and i thought you stood out the most because you were so passionate in your two and a half minutes or so could I ask how did you end up there because you know like I just spoke to Devin Haney who was a tremendous boxer and he's like

I didn't even know these these meetings are happening right and then I keep getting the sense from boxing people that they're not essentially like up to speed on what's been happening here in this quest to amend the Ali Act how did you end up on this call that was just the MMAFA told us to jump on there and honestly I just got on just to like listen

I wasn't even necessarily going to speak or anything. You know, Rob, Rob Macy, one of the lawyers for the lawsuit and the MMAFA, I don't know. I call him a leader. He doesn't like to be a leader, but he's kind of a leader. You know, he kind of gave some talking points and stuff for everyone. But once I had kind of listened for, I don't know, the first five or six people, I guess you listen to the call. You know I'm talking about the first five or six people. It was just so obvious what was going on.

This was just a foregone conclusion. This was just a show. We knew that it was going to be unanimous votes. So I was like, why do I even need to say these talking points? You know, my whole point that I tried to get across that is literally like the only point that I'm really trying to get across. Like, will some of these people just fight for fighters? Again, I say this all the time. I'm not anti-UFC.

I respect what they do as a business. They're some of the best business operators in history. I mean, they have a billion dollar business. multi-billion dollar business you have to respect that give credit where credits do but no one fights for the fighters and the fact that the commission won't do a single thing for the fighters is disgusting to me like like that's literally what their job is there for they're not there to work for tk or the ufc they're there to work for the fighters and you know the politicians have all been bought out the managers don't do anything as as you know very clearly the media

has been controlled and so there's just no one there for us and um i think you luke thomas um and very few others you know actually speak out for us and but there's but there's no one that's actually a you know no one in power actually do anything that'll work for us and that's the issue that i have and that's the issue that i had with commission and that's why it turned maybe a little bit passionate and i just wanted to curse them out why do you think that the the the vast majority of the people on that call were MMA people, right? MMA fighters,

people associated with the UFC, and there were no big boxing names as far as current fighters, past fighters, promoters, managers. Why do you think that was? When technically what was being discussed was a boxing issue. Yeah, it's interesting. I'm not

totally sure why boxers didn't jump in. I know why M&A fighters are passionate about is because we want the Ali Act, or at least something similar into MMA. And it doesn't necessarily have to be the act. All the act has tons of issues in of itself. And I'm sure that all the boxers realize that and see all the issues.

Like boxing is a, it's a fragmented sport too, right? It's broken. It has lots of issues. And there's great points to be made. You know, I had a conversation with John McCarthy after that call because, you know, I called him out on Twitter. I thought he'd been paid off by TKO or something. But I had a conversation with him, and we kind of hashed it out.

And he brought up a lot of great points. He brought up a lot of points on the side of potentially reviving boxing. But what I think he didn't realize, and what I think a lot of people don't realize, is MMA fighters are passionate about it because we have never had any protections like that. The boxers, I think, are just kind of used to it, and they kind of think no one can really come in and mess with anything. And they may not be able to. Like, you know, even if the Salliak passes, which it will, it may not do anything, right? Like TKO may not even do anything in boxing.

They may not make a splash. So I think they just kind of take it for granted, whereas we know the issues that can come with having, what they're calling a UBO now. Right. So in this climate that we're living in, as you said, it seems as though we are moving in the direction of it being amended. And if it is amended, who knows if it ever crosses over to MMA? Who knows if it was ever even close?

I don't think it was ever going to... Well, if it gets amended, then it has no reason to come to MMA, right? Right. Well, because what they keep saying, what Andy Foster keeps saying and people in Tia were like, oh, they'll just be two, you know, it'll just be two separate things, which I have a hard time believing that someone could just pick and choose what law, what legislation they're going to be fighting under. If it gets amended, it gets amended.

I have heard, by the way, about this group chat. I've heard that it gets spirited on there as well, this MMAFA group chat. Is that accurate? All kinds of characters on there, like legendary fighters, everyone weighing in. Yeah, it's pretty cool. I'm not really supposed to speak about it. Oh, I'm sorry. Keep it kind of private.

Okay. But, yeah, there's a group chat. It's on WhatsApp, and no one's invited except for fighters. And yeah, there's, I mean, yeah, there's legend, legends on there. And it's very cool. It's really cool to hear all the different opinions. And some people push back and some people post a lot, a lot of stuff that really gets a little spammy.

Some people have an immense amount of knowledge that you had no idea. These people had that kind of knowledge. So there's a lot of things to learn on there. And I stayed pretty neutral on things. I don't like to get, you know, I like to have all the information before I make an opinion. Have you gotten your settlement money yet? No, they haven't been sent out yet. The checks have not been sent out yet.

Okay, is that going to happen soon? Like, do you think at the end of the year you'll get it? That's a whole thing. It should be any day now, but they've been saying that for a few weeks. But it should be soon, yeah. I'm sure everybody's going to know when it all comes out. Sure, sure. I was just thinking holiday season.

I'm sure there's some people who are excited about getting some extra money and things like that. so this would be a good time. Yeah, absolutely. It's just getting close the end of the year. Kind of the downside and kind of the ironic thing with the whole settlement money is like the UFC or TKO gets to use as a write-off and we have to actually pay personal taxes on it. We can't get a LLC or whatever.

So that kind of sucks. So I think a lot of people would actually prefer to get it next year or have given more time to figure out different ways to depreciate and write things off. Wow, that's interesting. Yeah, I didn't realize that. Okay, so that's one issue that I've... And by the way, you know, it was nice about the back and forth with John McCarthy. You did disagree with him.

And let's be honest, you kind of accused him of being on the take, right? And then he called you, it sounds like, and you hashed it out? How adults? Yeah, we have. How mature? I know, right? I know, right. We'll have a lot of respect for him, and I think he has a lot of respect for me.

And, yeah, we hashed it out, and I don't think he's getting paid off. Um, I think I, again, I think I swayed him a bit to our side. Um, he definitely brought up some points that I hadn't thought about. Um, like what? Can I ask like what? Yeah, the main one was just, you know, how he believes it would help boxing. Um, and we know like, like boxing is not in the best spot it's ever been, right? The top end guys are killing it. The Canelo Crawfords, um, the U6, the guys like that. Um, the mid tier to lower range guys. They're not getting anything on TV. They're not. getting their names out there it's hard to build your brand up to that top and his argument and i think a lot of the people's arguments with this act um at least the congressman that i've spoken to have been um swayed to the side that this will help revive boxing in that sense and get more people more eyeballs on boxing um you know my argument is just you know is at what expense for one and for two I don't think I don't think a lot of people

recognize how good it could be to get something like the Ali act or the only act itself in TEMMA What did you think switching topics for a moment What did you think of Saturday's main event

And all the hysteria afterwards We've weighed in on it extensively I'm talking Tom Aspinall, Cyril Gahn The I poke No Contest, the backlash towards Tom The way it was sort of spun And handled from the UFC What did you make of all of this?

I'm definitely one of those guys. I think that like if there's a rule and you break it, like you should be penalized. Okay. Like Tom should not be expected to fight with one eye. I think that's kind of ridiculous. But like if there's a rule, like in football, like if you face mask a guy,

it doesn't matter if it was an accident or not, right? You get penalized. And I think it should be the same in MMA. Like if you break a rule, like you should be penalized, period. Isn't it wild that you'll get like, Warning, warning. Don't do it again. Don't do it again. And sometimes it'll be two, three, four times and nothing happens. So are you saying that the first time it happens, you think it should be a penalty? It should be a point deduction. Whether it's a point deduction or something more major, that's, you know, that's its own debate, right? And that's its own discussion. But yeah, it should absolutely be penalized the first time. And they should also fix the damn gloves. Like this has been, this has happened so many times. it's like at what point do you just stop and be like, okay, we need to do something about this. And penalizing is an obvious thing, but I think fixing the gloves is just as obvious, isn't it?

So as you know, they brought in those new gloves for a few months and then they got rid of them for whatever reason. We had Jim Miller on the show on Monday, and his stances, it's not the gloves. Just close your damn hands. That's it. Just don't put your hands out on someone's face. What do you think of that? Do you think the gloves actually force you to keep your hands open because they're so stiff? Yeah, they do make it harder to close your hands.

And it's natural because we spar, at least me. I know some people spar and make gloves a lot, but I spar more in boxing gloves and I open my hand regularly. But, and, you know, there's no worry because you're wearing the boxing glove. But I've never poked a single person in the eye and I had almost 30 fights in the UFC. Jim Miller's got, what, over 40 UFC fights? He's never had eye poke issues. So, yeah, I'm not sure why it happens.

But, you know, just the fact that it does happen so much should be an obvious reason to fix it, right? I mean, again, I don't necessarily think, like, guys like Cyril Gahn or even John Jones. I don't think they're necessarily doing it intentionally. But they're also, they have the ability to do it. So why not just take that away from when, like, I don't think, like, closing the gloves a little bit is going to affect their ability to fight. What do you think? What do you think of when they debate whether it's intentional or unintentional? Again, I don't think it matters, right?

Like, just back to the football analogy, like, if you face back to someone, like, it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not? Yeah. No. What does it matter? Who cares? Like, you poke somebody in the fucking eye. Am I allowed to curse on your show? Absolutely.

Go nuts. Go nuts. So basically what you're saying is because Tom couldn't have continued, he should have won via DQ on Saturday. That's what I would have done in that situation if I was the reference. yes. Do you think that they are going to run it back? I think so, yeah. Shouldn't they run it back?

Yeah, didn't Dana already say they're going to run it back? Yeah, Chale was on the show on Monday sort of throwing out the suggestion that maybe they won't or, you know, I was wondering, Dana was so upset in the Post-Fight press conference, I was wondering if maybe it's because

he had some other plan. He wanted, you know, maybe if Tom would have won to try to do him versus prayer, him versus Jones, who knows? It just didn't, I didn't understand why he was so upset, why he was so annoyed. I know the fight ended unceremoniously

and you never want to have a inconclusive finish but like the guy got poked he's a big star for you I was surprised at how he didn't back him he didn't defend him and was just kind of bothered by it all it seemed like yeah I don't know man you know Dana deals with a lot of shit so

I don't you know I don't really judge him necessarily for all the type of things that he deals with you know like I run a small business I got like 12, 13 employees and it's a major, major stress, right? It's a headache all the time.

I can just imagine what he deals with. So I don't necessarily judge him for that. But he's also, you know, he chose that position and he put himself in that position. And so, you know, he's got to deal with it. But in terms of, you know, just something like that, like I don't think that, I don't think they really care. You know, like I think Dana is kind of,

of was a kind of neutral on it right like the UFC is a machine like they're going to make their money like like they're they're going to sell they got the paramount deal coming up like like they're set like I don't think he actually cares so so he can speak like very openly and freely about just you know what he feels in that very moment you know if that makes sense sure perhaps like when you were fighting 15 or so years ago they hadn't quite made it right right? They hadn't been established. They didn't make the multi-million dollars that, you know, he's making now, the billion-dollar contract. And so there was a fire there, a passion. Now I sort of feel like when he's talking about his other projects, we see that old Dana because he's trying to prove people wrong, the slap, the boxing, the stuff like that. But this race has already been won. And it's sort of a normal human reaction. Like, you already proved everyone wrong, so it's hard to keep that fire burning as strongly. me. Yeah, I think that's a good way to put it. Some of the other projects I don't really get though, the slapboxing, like that's, I don't get that. You don't watch it? You don't like it?

I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't. Not at all. Does anybody? Like, I don't know where this came from, where this idea that this would be cool came from. I think he said he saw it on TikTok or something and he saw like a lot of views attached to it and thought that it would be a big hit. yes it just i don't know they're trying to get like social media yeah clicks i guess maybe because it's like it's great for those little 10 second clips i guess but yeah i don't know man that's

you know i like sports man you know i like fair sports same with like aspenol getting eye poked right i'm like dude i want to see a fair fight like i don't want to see him fight with one eye i want to see these guys fight a real fight how do you think he'll do in boxing dana

yeah that's interesting i'm not sure man um because you know my intuition makes me believe that nobody's going to sign with them like you know with their exclusive contracts and you know the uBO thing makes them not allow or not forced to expose what the revenues are you know things like that and i'm like what kind of boxer would sign with that um so even you know this thing passes because it will like it's a republican house and um our republican congress like it's going to pass like i think it's pretty well set in stone um but i don't know how how it's going to do you know i just can't imagine boxers wanting to sign with that but you know i think it'd be a good question for like a devon haney who i think are you did you have on earlier we had him on yeah we

had him already yeah he he's sort of like let me wait and see and and i think guys like him he's not He was 100% on board with not changing the Ali Act, just like every single fighter that I've asked in the world of boxing, every single promoter. But yet no one's doing anything about it, which I think is a little strange. So they might be in for a rude awakening very, very soon. Yeah.

Yeah, because if it goes the way that they wanted to go, it's not going to be good for the top-end boxers, right? The Devon Haney's, the News 6th, the guys like that. I just, I don't see how, you know, like how's it going to get Canella or Crawford, you know? So I don't really know how that's going to work, but I, you know, I'm guessing they have a long-term plan. And it's fine.

Again, like I don't, I'm not hating on what they do exactly because that's the goal of a business, right? You want to make money. You want to make profit. You want to monopolize. You want to take over the freaking world, right? That's the whole goal. It's what I'm trying to do with my gyms. You know, I want to have the best gym in the world.

I want every single person in the world to come to my gym, not the gym next door. If I could monopolize it, I would. But at some point, like, someone's got to step in, you know, whether it's, I mean, how many companies have had issues with the government for monopolizing, right? I mean, this is not an uncommon thing that you see, whether it's like, you know, Apple or Amazon, you know, they all end up with these issues. but no one has stepped in to fight against the UFC, I feel like. And anyone who speaks out against them, you're just a disgruntled former athlete or, you know, you're just, you got CTE or you got punched in ahead too many times,

you know, whatever kind of stupid thing to say. Or you get the old, like, oh, you sign the contract, you know. It's like, all right, you know. But the people in power, like I've talked to a couple of congressmen. and like they're not going to work for us either they don't care what we have to say and it's disgusting yeah it's uh it's it's it's very disheartening to see how the mhmers in particular see like there should have been an ali act version whatever you want to call it for mama long ago it's crazy that it's just the the wild west over here and and you know

look at the look at the contracts look at the i mean the deal with paramount alone and that's just the u.s deal not to mention the deal that they signed for Australia or Latin America and all the other territories, not to mention the Gates and the merchandise and all the other stuff, like the amount of money that this company is making and the fact that you guys get 0% of that revenue blows my mind. Yeah, sure, they're going to up the bonuses. What are they going to up it by 10K? Yeah.

It's going to be great. Yeah, right. I mean, we just won a lawsuit. I mean, it got settled, but one lawsuit saying that they're a monopoly and they do, you know, they have coercive, you know, all these things. And it's like, and then the politicians are going to still vote for this. It doesn't make sense, you know. But I guess the only part that makes sense is that, you know, politicians have they ever really been for us, you know?

And they're the only ones that we have a chance with, right? Because, you know, this whole like fighters making a union or something, it's not possible. It's never going to happen. So we need some people in power to work with us. And it's just sad that, you know, they clearly, like, don't work for the people. And I don't want to get too political, you know, but, you know, it's just a, it just feels like standard government BS. Why do you think a union will never happen? Well, for one, it's illegal for independent contractors.

Right. But for an association of sorts. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, we have the MMAFA is the best thing we got right now. But also, if you kind of think about it, a bunch of fights. joining together is always going to be an uphill battle like our job is literally to ruin each other's careers that that's our actual job right to beat the shit out of each other and ruin their career take what they have so to come together and work for you know people that are my opponent or potential opponent i don't know you know that's uh i think that's a a tough thing tough sell there

right now okay so right now you're you speak out on this but i saw that you were at the uh i think you were at the chicago pay-per-view right in august so like you're still you're not like persona non-grata because you're speaking out about any of the stuff or anything like that i saw you even like kind of walk through right i mean what was it like when you were there maybe at some point maybe at some point i will i don't know like i'm still friendly with everybody at the ufc and um you know no one no one has ever said anything to me yet so maybe they will but um but look Again, it's not that it's, that's why I started with this. Like, I'm not anti-UFC.

I'm pro-fight. Like, that's all I ask is that people, somebody work for the fighters. Somebody step up. Well, some freaking managers, like, actually work for the fighters. You'd have to talk to Rob Macy about this, but I believe that he said, you know, in terms of lawsuit, you know, he reached out to a lot of managers and not a single one worked with them. Yeah.

You know, so, like, we don't have managers on our side. We don't have the promoter on our side. obviously they're working for themselves we don't have commissions on our side as we see now we don't have the politicians on our side like no one is on our side and for us to come together like i just spoke about is a you know a very difficult thing and a tough ask so and that's all i've asked is like can people just it's not even about like taking down the ufc or like i want them to succeed i want mima to succeed it's not about destroying them or taking away from them it's about bringing the fighters up and giving us a chance and that's all that i asked for um and like i never meant to be like

a spokesman of this stuff or anything either i've literally just spoke my mind and here i am on your show talking about it like a spokesman i guess but no i know you know this is like there's guys that are way more researched on this than me they're way more educated on it than me but some of it is so obvious. Like, it's just like right there in your face. And no one really cares, I feel like, other than, you know, a few, very few people. Yeah, I completely, and I'm not trying to make you into a spokesperson or make it seem like you're anti, but it is nice to hear someone speak up.

And I do think that a lot of the managers are more concerned with the state of their relationship, their own relationship with the promotion, as opposed to the state of their relationship with their clients. I mean, that has been made very, very clear over the years. By the way, regarding Aspinall and Gun, what did you make of how the fight was going? Because now I feel like a lot of tales have been spun about him getting his ass whoop. Like, this was going to be some sort of 10-8 round for Cyril. What did you think? And how did you think it was going to be a 10-8 round?

I don't think it was a very close fight. But I thought it was shaping up to be a hell of a good fight that I really wanted to see. So, I mean, I think that could have been one of the, the great heavyweight wars as a matter of fact i think that was shaping up to be a great fight um and i was i was interested to see aspinall's game plan because it looked like his game plan was to stand with him he didn't really push hard for any takedowns um and my guess is probably that he was just waiting for the right time to go for the takedown and you know we got to assume that if he was able to land the takedown it'd probably be a much easier fight for him you think he

wins the rematch i'm still i would still put my money on Aspinall, but if his game plan is going to be to stand with them, it's kind of a 50-50, you know? Right. What do you think would have happened if you fought John? Oh, man, that's hard to say, you know, because I think the tough part is like, where's John's head at, you know? You know, John's been around, man.

He doesn't have anything to prove, and I think he knows he doesn't have anything to prove. So I think it would just be a matter of whether John got up for that fight. If John got up for that fight, I'm picking John all day. Against any person in the world, to be honest. If John is in his prime and up for it, you know, I'm picking John no matter what. If John's head is not into it, then, you know, that's the constraint on his end. Okay. I wanted to ask you also about the state of officiating.

My beef is that I don't feel like it's gotten better. over the past 10, 15 years. I don't feel like it has improved. I don't feel like there are new faces. I don't feel like there's new, quote, quote, talent coming in and we're consistently seeing the, quote, quote, top dogs, make really bad mistakes, like egregious errors. How do you feel about it as you watch from home?

Oh, that's a good question. So, you know, they're one of the underpaid, underappreciated parts of the sport, too, right? They don't make a lot of money doing what they do and they don't get appreciation for the thousands of tough calls that they made or, you know, or maybe even a tough call in the sense of just staying back and letting a fight play out or something. So I do think it's a thankless job that is underappreciated. But when they do do the egregious call, there's also no consequence for

what happens. So, you know, I would like them, I would like to see them be able to get paid better for one to hopefully attract more new people and make it a more prestigious job, but also have a higher consequence when they make mistakes. Have you ever been in a situation as a fighter? Like, oh, man, I don't feel comfortable with this guy. I don't want this guy riffing me. You'll probably remember the Eve Levine fight. Oh, yes.

Our Pete Sell fight with Heaveen. And then afterwards, did you say you didn't want him to ref your fights? Yeah, I didn't want to ref him more. And there was one when I fought Jake Ellenberger, I thought, was a very early stoppage. I mean, I was hurt, and, you know, he hit me a couple of times hurt, but, like, I was perfectly fine. I don't remember the ref just because I've had so many fights, and it's been a while, but that ref, I remember, I was like, dude, please never ref my fights again, like, but that's also the fighter in me, right?

Like, we believe we can fight to the death, you know, and that's kind of the mentality that we have going in there. Maybe he made the right call. I didn't feel like he did. As a matter of fact, I don't think any... I got to stop a TKO twice, I think. I think maybe. And both times I was like,

boy, I wasn't out, man, you know? But who knows, like, maybe I was. Yeah, it's a weird one because you don't, there's no transparency, right? It doesn't feel like there's any accountability. You'll see the same guys week in and week out. And sometimes they'll have good, like, there were some moments last week.

I thought Mark Goddard had a great night where it's like, everything's cool. And then there are moments where it's like, I don't understand, you know, the, not the pile on Dan, But, you know, that fight, the Matt Travolta fight with Kyle Nelson, I don't know what was going – You know what I mean? Like, there's three seconds left.

You stop the fight. The fight's over. And that was bad because then he said he thought he heard the horn, right? Yeah. You didn't hear no horn. You know, you didn't hear no horn. Don't lie about it. You know, just admit that you made a mistake, right?

It begins, there's just no consequence. Like, what's going to happen? Is he going to go in front of a commission and they're going to punish him? or is, you know what I mean? Like, is he going to sit out? They're going to put them back to the regional scene for a few fights or anything. And now we'll probably see them in the next card.

So you've got the Immortal Martial Arts School in Lewis Center, Ohio. Is that correct? Yes, and I just opened a second one in Gahana, Ohio, about 30 minutes of drive away. Congratulations. So it's going well. Thank you.

Yeah, going very well. Yes, I love teaching martial arts. I love seeing all the people come in and get better. it's a great new purpose and passion for me in life and immortal coffee is still going strong yes sir we got to send you some bro you you have sent me in the past uh i think like a couple years ago i mean it's long gone now but i liked it i liked it very much there it is yeah we got to send you some more we always forget

we got somebody all good send out some time i like this i like that you you know this is a good lesson for a lot of fighters who are no longer fighting you know you have to have other businesses other things to to to keep you occupied have you ever had the itch again have you ever considered? Every day. Every day. And what do you do about that? Well, okay, that's a, yeah, I don't know how long you want me to go on about that.

You know, it's all about just re-branding my identity and my, who I am as a person. Now, so basically the way that I look at it now is my life for the first approximately 40 years, you know, 20 years of fighting, I guess, was really about me, right? the maximizing myself and growing myself as much as I could. You know, I wanted to get a title, obviously, and be the best fighter I could be. The next phase of my life is about giving back. So all this knowledge that I've accrued and everything that I've learned, I want to give this back to the community and give it back to the people. And that's what the gyms are all about.

That's my new purpose in life is given back through the martial arts, all these lessons. And it's been amazing. I said we're open our second gym. and, I mean, martial arts is the most powerful thing on this planet. Like, I don't think we even need churches or rehab centers anymore. We just have martial arts everywhere, and we could just, you know, I've seen so many people get sober, lose weight, relationships improve, just so many good things.

And it's become a new passion for me. Incredible. Well done. Really, congratulations. I hope that continues. We don't need to see you pop up on like a BKFC card because I could totally kind of see that happen. They've made me offers, but I'm not as cheap as I once was. Okay, good, good, good. So, well done.

Keep doing your thing. Fetter v. Writer as well with Damon, yours, talking about all the hot topics, everything going on in the sports. So go check that out as well. And great to catch up with you again, Matt. All the best, and I hope that the elbow recovers quickly and you're back at it in no time. It'll be great. Thank you for having me on, Ariel.

Appreciate it. Yes, there he is. Matt Brown, the Immortal, one of the legends, the game. Had so many great fights. His fight against Eric Silva, probably my favorite, but he had a great run there. What was it? Maybe 2014 or so won a whole bunch of fights in a row. Chris Cope, Stephen Thompson, Luis Ramos, Mike Swick, Jordan Meehan, Mike Pyle, Eric Silva. It all led to the Robbie Lawler fight in July of 2014. That was the Fox Main event. Quick turnaround there. He fought in May of 2014, fought in July of 2014, and that fight didn't go away. It was a tremendous

fight. I mean, that run was amazing. Chuck always loved Matt Brown, always loved the immortal one, then fought Johnny Hendricks and retired from MMA and the UFC on a win May of 2023 after he beat Court McGee. So one of the good guys in the game, wish him well, and go check out everything that he's doing, whether you're in the area with the gyms, the coffee, the podcast. Great, great stuff. All right. In a matter of moments, my friends, this is very exciting. Who would have thought in the year 2025? We'd be talking about Chris Wyman versus Anderson Silva 3, number three, but it is happening under Queensberry Rules, boxing match, heavyweight pro bout going down Friday, November 14th, live and exclusively on Netflix, no paywall,

no extra pay-per-view wall. So if you're a subscriber, once again, Just like with Jake Tyson, just like with Serrano Taylor 3, Crawford Canelo. You'll get this fight card on Friday, November 14, from the Kasea Center in Miami. The trilogy of a rivalry that was born in July of 2013, UFC 162, Chris Wyden shocking the world. He was a neophyte. I mean, no one expected him to win. expected him to get the title fight. He made it happen. I'll never forget it. Chris

Weidman Day, I think July 17th shortly thereafter. They celebrated him on Long Island. And then they had the rematch. And the rematch was big business. And that was in December of 2013. And you obviously know by now what transpired almost 12 years ago. We've gotten old here, my friends. Grusome, gruesome injury for one Anderson Silva. and then they didn't you know they went their separate ways and so then out of the blue not that long ago maybe what two weeks ago two and a half weeks ago maybe three max think two we found out that the the main card opener on November 14th in Miami is going to be Weidman v. Silva 3 in boxing.

There it is. Kesea Center, 8 p.m. Eastern, 10 p.m. in Brazil. Came out of nowhere. Chris Weidman, last MMA fight, UFC 310. Last MMA fight for Anderson was October of 2020. actually like I believe it was Halloween night if my memory serves me correct but you'll recall that Anderson Silva

was involved in a bout against Jake Paul back in 2022 that was his last boxing match he did have a match against one Chale Sunnan on the uh spotin fight night card

but that was more of like a dance type of situation definitely didn't get as crazy as the Banderle-A-Silva fight that we saw. Yeah, that Uriah Hall fight was October 31st, Halloween night, so almost five years ago now. Time is flying. And Chris obviously left the UFC late last year. December 2024 was his last fight, UFC 310. And then we had heard that he had signed with GFL.

That didn't really amount to much. He's been doing a great job on the UFC pay-per-view weigh-in show with Dan Hellie, Laura Sanko, Daniel Cormier, has really become a fixture there. They've really, you know, they've really built it into a must-see component as far as the Fight Week library and menu, I would say, is concerned. But he's getting this opportunity. And, you know, we had always heard some great stories about Chris Wydenman's, boxing background. I believe, and we can confirm this with him, I do believe he competed in

some golden glove situation, and this was something that he was really into. And when he crossed over to MMA, he showed some nice hands. And so here we are some almost 12 years after their second fight, and I'll never forget that one, they're meeting up again on this most valuable promotions card. Main event, of course, Jake Paul versus Hank Davis. Chris Wybman is 41, Anderson Silva is 50, Wyman's MMA record

16 and 8, Anderson 34 and 11. Arguably the greatest of all time still holds till this day, at least for now, the longest winning streak in UFC history. Marab is closely getting there. Others of what as well

but Marab's pace is just unbelievable four title fights this year alone 20 knockouts for Anderson Silva six with Chris Wyman on his resume six knockouts in MMA this will be officially Wideman's boxing debut Anderson three and two with two knockouts

of course the most famous boxing match on his resume the fight against Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. That was a big big win for him and one that really propelled them into that Jake Paul fight. So it is the culmination of a feud that has span some 12 years. Who would have thunk it? Again, in November, November 14th, 2025, 12 years after they last fought, they will

meet for a third, and I presume final time. This time, in the squared circle, Queensberry Rules, pro-heavyweight bout. It's Chris Weidman versus Anderson Silva 3, and wouldn't you know it? they are joining us right here and now on the park look at this i mean my god my heart uh it's a beautiful sight uh anderson it's great to see you obrigado thank you for the time chris it's great to see you as well how are you how are you guys look at this this is amazing look at us look at this is incredible who would have thought the best uh chris can i ask you can i ask you because you haven't boxed yet and this is kind of a new thing we've seen anderson with mvp how did this come about

How did this get on your radar to fight Anderson on this card? Well, the idea of me fighting Anderson in boxing, probably the first thought of it happened maybe like two years ago. I got a phone call from his manager, and she asked if I was interested. I was still in the UFC, so obviously that wasn't a thing. But it became a thought in the back of my mind as a possibility after my career in the UFC is over. So it was kind of always there.

And as far as this fight goes, I got a question. called from his manager again asking if I was interested in fighting Edison. And she said there's a chance of fighting on this Netflix car with Jake Paul and Jeffante Davis. And I was like, let's do it. It'd be fun. There's not too many people that I would really be interested in fighting other than Anderson. We have a good history. I have a lot of respect for him. I think, you know, one of the best martial artists of our time, lifelong martial artist.

and he's like a true challenge. I think he's an amazing boxer. I think he's underappreciated as a boxer, so I think it's an awesome challenge, and that's what I'd love to do is compete against the best guy, so I love the opportunity. Anderson, on your end,

so it seems like your team reached out to him, why did you guys reach out? Why are you interested in doing this against Chris, of all people? Well, it's so interesting because the people asking about, Oh, you're interesting to fight in the next Jake fight in the same car and say, yeah, I'm so interesting. But so who's my opponent?

I don't know. And I talked to Nakisa and Nakisa say, oh, I try to make the good fight. It makes sense for the sport. You and Chris Wyman and I say, wow, that's great. You know, and it's a good challenge for us. You know, especially for show the respect for boxing, you know, Chris and I can do the good fight for the fans, for Netflix, and this is very good for us. It's amazing. Yeah, no, it's a huge opportunity. For Chris, I mean, you last fought in the UFC December of

2024, so almost exactly a year ago. Obviously, we know about the GFL stuff, but you were still very much wanting to fight and be active. As far as boxing is concerned, I know it was always a part of your training. And I know when you first came into the UFC, we would hear about your great boxing training. Have you been training as of late? Or did you have to pick it up and expedite things once this came together a couple weeks ago? No, I've been training in the gym. I've been trying to stay healthy and active lifting and boxing and grappling, you know, to kind of see. It was really grappling and boxing is kind of what I've been interested in post-UFC. And particularly, a possible Anderson Silva fight, you know, because I think that's a big fight that a lot of

people want to see. I think it's a great challenge. So that's kind of what I was looking forward to. Yeah, and boxing really, like I fell in love of boxing because of Anderson Silva. The first fight I had with him, it was really important to Ray Longo, my coach, that I felt confident standing up with him. So it was the first time when I was getting ready for that first fight with him that I would bring in professional boxers to spar with and just do boxing. And I really fell in love with it. I really do love boxing. And so it's funny, it just, you know, how it becomes a full circle, and I'm back in here and we get an opportunity to boxing.

Anderson, for you, you're now 50 years old. What is the motivation? Why still do this? You've done it all. You've proved it all. The motivation. The motivation is my family, my kids, you know. The Calil and Gabriel just pushed me hard every day, you know.

And I keep training with Gabe and Khalil, in average and. junior, the average is a gold medal in boxing. And I keep training with these kids. And I feel, you know, I think I can't do one more or two more fights in a high level, you know. And that's my great motivation. You know, God give me everything I have. You know, I'm healthy and I'm so happy to continue doing something I love. Chris, am I crazy or does he look the exact same as he looked back in 2013. I mean, this guy doesn't age, right? He looks the exact same. I think I remember seeing some gray hair in his beard or something, or maybe on top of his head. I mean, I'm like, look, he's old. But not anymore. It's gone. I don't know what else.

Yeah, I try to, I try to fix that. I promise. And when I'm done, I go to to Mahakos to doing something. Oh, yes, yes, to get the hair back. And I think, I think that's the extent of the trash talk here because it feels like there's great respect and admiration between the two of you. But for you, Anderson, is there a personal element to this? Let's be honest, first fight, you know, it doesn't go your way, you get

stopped. Second fight, it ends with the gruesome injury. Do you feel like you need to get one on this guy? Do you feel like you need to beat him before it's all said and done in your career? Hey, listen, sports is a sport, you know? In the time when Chris and I fight in UFC, Greece

prove how can beat the champion the time and do that. A lot of people say oh, because the second fight maybe you win, but the true is I'm lost. You know, I broke my leg, it's fine.

But this has happened, you know, and I don't have this in my mind. Oh, I need you prove something and do this because Chris win the two fights. No, that's the new sport. Boxes is different. I I already told that in the past.

So boxing for me is still magic and I need you show the respect I have for boxing people, you know, and that's the boxing community. I don't try to prove nothing for anybody except showing my respect for boxing community. Chris, you've been doing this a long time. You've been competing a long time, wrestling, MMA. but it's your boxing debut, so you're a rookie all over again. As we approach two weeks from fight night, are you getting those nerves, those feelings that you were getting at the beginning of your career

because this is a new venture for you? Nothing crazy. No, I mean, we're still pretty far out in my eyes. You know, I'm just focused on every day, just trying to work as hard as I can every day and put myself in the best position, you know, to win the fight and be the best version of myself. So it's not, I'm not to the point where I'm like, you know,

I'm super nervous or anything like that. It's fresh, it's new, it's exciting because it's different. It's a, it's an avenue. I haven't been down yet, and, you know, I've been watching boxing for a long time and to have the opportunity to be on a card, especially on a net post card, and be able to fight a legend like Anderson Silva. It's just super exciting, yeah, but not as far as nerves go, no, it's not like, oh, my God, I'm, you know, I've never done this before, and I feel like super uncomfortable.

I feel, I feel like I'm going to be pretty comfortable in there. And, uh, yeah. What about comparing how you're feeling now to how you felt in July and June of 2013 as you were about to face the greatest of all time and, and hoping to change your life? Like, can you take us back to that, that era in your life? At that point, you're somewhat unproven. There are some people who think, you know, you're going to get steamrolled by this guy. What have you done to deserve this? Are you nervous back then? Are you anxious back then? What are those nights leading up to that fight? Oh, it was, you know, months and months of battling the demons of doubt. You know, when you're going against Anderson Silva, you like, you know, in his prime, you know, nobody had

beaten him yet. And he was so good. You watch his highlights. You're watching a guy that we've never seen anything like that before, what he was able to do inside the octagon. He was so comfortable putting down his hands, messing with people, letting people punch him. And he's just absorbing those hits so well. And then finish him fun. And he's just absorbing those hits so well. And then finish him fights against world-class fighters. So overcoming the doubts, really within myself, you know, you had the whole world that was doubting the idea of me being able to beat him. But it was a constant fight. I didn't, with those fights and a lot of my fights as I was up and coming, it was beating those demons every day, winning those, when those negative thoughts would come into my

head, I was constantly beating them out until there was positive in my mind. And it was a lot of work. It was a lot of mental, mental work to walk into that octagon with that same confidence because, you know, you could do all that, you know, mental work beforehand, but it all comes down to how you feel in the octagon. So it was really the same thing, making that walk, being in front of them, not, you know, putting them on too much of a pedestal and just not over-respecting them and going out there and believing in myself. And so that was, it was an obstacle.

It was a very hard obstacle. but I was like I was a man on a mission. I had to win that belt. One thing I've always kind of wanted to ask you, Anderson, about that night is why did you act the way in which you did in the fight? And was it because you didn't respect him? Did you not think that he had the capability to knock you out? It was, you know, that was kind of part of who you were back then,

the dancing and all that, but this was a little bit magnified. Why did you do that? And do you regret it? I know it's been 12 years, but do you regret the way in which you approached? I respect all my fighters. You know, all my opponents, I respect. When I fight with Chris, I don't do nothing different than my other fights, you know, and Chris doing a good job.

We stood in my movements and take the best shot and win the fight, you know? But when people ask me about, so you don't think you don't respect your opponents? I say, no, I respect my opponent, but I training, that's my style fight. I can't change that. I change that. I change who I'm in. You know, and I can't change that. And in the time, Chris wins and doing the good job.

When you see this, does this bother you? No, definitely not. I was wondering, my production team put that up. I was like, oh, my God, Anderson's getting it. No, no, no, this is no bother. Imagine how many guys I beat in a different situation. And, you know, this has happened. That's like, I talk to my kids and I talk to my students too.

So when you win is good, but you need to understand when you lose. Because when you lose, you understand how your mind is prepared for the next challenge, you know. And that's like, keep doing my job. You know, I don't think about that. You know, I don't think about the fights I lose. you know, I just try to make something better. Chris, what did you want to say before I interrupted? Oh, I was going to say with, you know, him putting his hands down and, you know, it's,

I don't take it as like he's disrespecting guy. It's on a different level. It makes guys feel so uncomfortable. He makes guys feel like, oh, my God, this guy is so relaxed that he could put his hands down and mess with me in the middle of this cage with these small gloves on when anything could happen. And he did it for so long. And that's, I think, what made him great, how comfortable he was in there, that he could put his hands down.

Now, his punches are coming from different angles. You're getting angry, so you're punching, you're punching more aggressively, which leads yourself open for shots. And he did a great job. And when I would, I would have all these sparring partners come in, and they were, you would instructive them, hey, can you please put your hands down, mess, you know, talk trash, whatever. Just try to infuriate me. And I did all right. It was, it was completely fine. but I'll give him credit, you know, even though I won that fight, that was, it was getting to me.

It was uncomfortable when you see someone on the level of him put his hands down and make you feel that insecure, that he's that confident, you know, that he could do that. In the second fight, obviously the leg break was awful and a terrible thing, but before that, I think he had so, and he could speak on this. In my mind, I felt he had so much backlash, I think especially from Brazil, for being knocked out while his hands were down, while he was taunting, that. it kind of forced him to fight very traditional in the second fight with his hands up and like typical kickboxing and I felt like it was easier for me to see things coming as opposed to when he was doing his thing and just free flowing and putting his hands down and all that stuff not that I want him doing that to me in boxing so I just fight very traditional but I'll give you that I think it's way harder to fight a guy like that and it's not like anybody could do that you have to be a special special talent to do that but he could do it and he feels comfortable doing it and I'll tell you, it's a problem. Okay, so two things there for you, Anderson. Can you speak to that? Did you change your style because of the backlash in the second fight?

I think in the second fight, I'm just training more multi-tie in wrestling, and I changed completely my style for the first fight. But, you know, that's the crusade. It's easy to him to put him. your game inside the fight, when you have the traditional fighter, you know, training only two disciplines. That's easy. I think that's help Chris to win the fight. Of course, Chris working hard, and I'm working hard for the second fight too. But, you know, that's the game. That's the sport is so amazing because a lot of people think you the best, but you're not the best.

when you don't prove yourself how much you can't beat yourself, not your opponent, you know? And so then what about the second fight, or I should say the third fight, this one, which is the first boxing fight of the trilogy? Do you think you will bring back some of those old Anderson moves? Will we see that version of you that we saw in the first or will be more like the second? Ariel, listen, boxing is different. You know, boxing is different sport. It's not for, boxing is not for everybody.

You know, Chris have a background in boxing too. And I think that's a try to keep training hard every day because I need you to respect the boxing community because it's not for everybody. It's not easy to come inside the ring and doing the same you're doing in the MMA. Of course, MMA is hard because you have the different disciplines, but boxing is very traditional. A lot of people die fight boxing, you know, and I need to prove my respect for boxing community.

That's it. I train you hard every day. I train with the best guys and I go do my best. Speaking of that boxing background, Chris, can you tell, for those I may not know, I do remember, didn't you do golden gloves or something like that? Or am I crazy for thinking this? No, no, I never did golden gloves. I was trying to prop you up. I was trying to get this one. I appreciate it. I would lie, but I try to be honest.

Yeah, no, I've never competed in boxing before. Just a lot of sparring rounds with good high-level boxers throughout my career. And just to touch on what Anderson is saying, as far as the respect for boxing, I, you know, you have these professional boxes that come in and you watch them work, and really is beautiful. You know, I come from a wrestling background, and I have that same excitement when I watch, really high level wrestling. It's, it's really beautiful to me watch. And you bring in these other boxers now and that really just focus on that. And it is, it's amazing. Their footwork, you know, the way they're able to gauge distance, the way they're slip and punches kind of effortlessly

rolling really well. And I think Anderson is an MMA fighter that crossed over and really, you could see in his fights. He respects boxing. I'm not trying to just kiss his ass, but it's, it's just true. He's the only boxer I can think of as an MMA fighter that frost over when you watch him. He looks like a really legit boxer. And I think it's to what he was saying. I think he really respects the game and he puts the effort into, you know, making sure he looks that way and it shows. One of the many iconic moments from your history happened the night before the second fight at the Wands, the face-off, you guys may recall. Yes, this one. That's the one. Yeah. Just wondering, Chris, what are you thinking in this moment here as you guys go, you know, face to face here?

Oh, man. I was like, man, he's got nice lips. Love this guy. I mean, I'm sure Anderson felt the same. I didn't even realize our lips touched like that. We were in each other's space. We pulled it. You didn't know, right? Yeah, I think it's so intensive that Chris walking, I walk in and nobody stepped back, you know, just. You know, the good things is the people think us is homophobics, but it's not, you know. And that's the proof. The fighters not homophobics, you know. Yes. We'll kiss if we have to. We, I think it's just funny because we're like the same, probably the same height.

And we just got each other's faces. We both decided to put up our hands. So there's no barrier. Both of us weren't going to back up. And next to you, no, they got some good still shots of us looking like we're kissing. I get tagged in so many of those pictures on Valentine's Day, I'm sure. Oh, my gosh. Me too, buddy.

That's funny. Have you guys, Anderson, have you seen Chris over the years? Like, have you run into him or will this be the first time that you actually get to talk to him in person? No, I talk to Chris when I have the same accident I have. I talk to him. But that's the, I think that's the second time, huh, Chris? I don't know. Yeah.

I don't think we see. I don't think we bumped into it. other in person since our fights right yeah just the phone but not in person like shake hands nothing no no no I haven't seen him since but he looks that he looks the same I think I got older looking but he no you're the same bro thank you a little pudgy in the face but um yeah no it's it's gonna it's gonna be cool you know to see him and everything I mean we have so much history but uh yeah it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna be it's gonna be cool and oh yeah just again you know he's talking about the phone call we had.

So after I break my leg in half, who else can I call besides the only person I knew that ever had the same thing happen to him? So I called Anderson and, man, I was in a low place and he really helped me. I don't know if he realized. I told him me how helpful it was, but I don't know if he realized it. But it was a tough spot. I didn't even know if I was going to be able to walk again, let him play with my kids. It was tough what I called him.

And he was so optimistic and positive for me. and it really was a boost of energy that I needed at a time and so I'm super thankful for that. And we did, oh, we did a podcast, he came on my podcast. I remember that. Which was awesome.

It was unbelievable. Can I ask you, Anderson, what did you, do you remember what you thought when it was so crazy to see Chris suffer the same type of injury that you suffered against him? You know, when I, my kids watch on the fight,

when the kids just come into my room and just come to talk to me and say, Dad, you see what happened and say, what the fuck? What happened? And Chris broke the leg too and said, what? I don't believe it. And one of the kids

showed me the video, I said, oh my God. And somebody called me and say, oh, you can talk to Chris. I say, of course, absolutely. Because the hard moment for us is when this happened, you don't know you come back to walking normal. You don't know you come back to fight again, you know.

And it's very tough. It's very tough. Do you remember anything that you said to him in that moment? Like here he is, the guy who beat you twice. Yeah, I remember. I just say, Chris, now it's time to stay with the family, stay with the people you really trust and the people you help you, you know, and your family and take your time. Because that injury is timing. You can do nothing fast because it's hard.

It's hard to recover. Chris, are you going to have the same characters in your corner? Are we going to have Ray Longo, Matt, Sarah, the same dudes that you were with for so many years? So Ray Longo is going to be in my corner and then Jeff Jimo. You get two corners and then you get a cut guy. So Longo and Jeff Jimo, who trains with me out here, he owns a gym called Jimo. So those are the two guys going to be in my corner. Okay.

And for you, Anderson, is it – I know you've been asked this question a lot over the years. is it possible this is the last one? No, man. Come on. No, definitely not. No, okay. No. What age are we going to? I don't know. It's tough question because I feel I can do this eternity, you know? I don't know. I keep doing.

When God give me the whole thing I have, my energy, my healthy body, I keep doing. You know, I have my business. I have my different work, you know, but I keep doing something I love to do. What about for you, Chris? Is it possible this is the last one? I don't think so. I think I really am loving this boxing training. You know, we'll see how I feel in there.

as of right now, I'm thinking maybe, maybe this one, maybe another. It's fun, you know, so I don't, I don't know. We'll see. And this is a heavyweight fight. How much do you expect to weigh, Chris? It's a 205. Oh, it's the weight class. Okay, so that's the cap on it, okay?

All right, interesting. Yeah, 205 is the weight, I think, yeah. So that's sort of like a catch weight. Not too much. Yeah, I think, so I didn't have to cut too much weight. I don't think there was any, I don't think he had a problem with it. I just said 205 sounds good. I weigh like 215.

So it's not too bad. What about for you, Anderson? How much do you... Yeah, for me, it's hard because I can't eat a lot, you know. But normally I walk in one, 189, 188, you know, it's hard to eat a lot. But it's okay. Is this... Really?

You're that... Really? You're naturally walking around 188, 188, 189. 188. Yeah. Oh, geez. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a skinny guy.

My mom is skinny. My dad is skinny. I just, you know, I try to... keep workout and I keep eat a lot, but I can't because it's terrible for me. So will you be dramatically under 205? Like, how much do you expect to weigh? Will you be in there, like, the low 90s? I don't know.

Now I'm just, when I, what I pezee? Oh, I, uh, nine, no, eight, nine kilos, eight, nine kilos. 89. 89 kilos, yeah. I see, 89. What is that? I'm 195 or something? 196.

Yeah, 196. Okay, so you'll be a little bit under, but that doesn't really matter to you. Yeah, I keep training with the guys, you know, because for me, the best one is 180. You know, 180 is good because that's the normal way I fight. But, you know, is it is a good challenge for me. We'll wrap this up in a moment, guys. This has been a lot of fun. Go ahead, Chris.

Oh, no, I was going to say, I think boxing, like, I've been sparring guys who fight at 175, and the speed, I think speed is everything in boxing. So I don't think weight is as big of an indicator, as opposed to like MMA. I think weight with wrestling and everything really does matter. But with boxing, you know, I don't think it's too much of an issue. Is this somewhat surreal for you, Chris? Like, here you are. You're talking about an Anderson Silva fight 12 years after it changed your life.

It's kind of surreal for me. I'll be honest, and I have nothing to do with it. I'm just talking to you guys. But it just brings back a lot of these memories and these moments and all these emotions. And it was such a life-changing moment for you. Is any of that coming back here? Oh, man, it's definitely surreal. It is surreal.

You know, Anderson changed my life. He gave me the opportunity to fight for that belt. I made the best of it and it changed my life forever. So I owe him a lot. and so that's why a part of it I got a phone call to finance the silver there's no way I'm turning it down you know I respect them a lot

and I'm going to go in there and give my best and it's going to be a lot of fun and just to share that box in the ring with him is going to be tons of fun what about you Anderson how does it end tell us what do you think November 14th what do you feel I'm so happy to do that

you know especially because The people think about us when you finish your Korean inside you see, you can't fight anymore. You know, a lot of people say that, oh, because old, because this and that, but it's not. I think Chris and I prove it's not this game to change your life when you love something. You know, I keep training hard every day. I keep doing my best. I help Khalil to training jiu jiu-jitsu. I help Gabriel when you fight kickboxing, when I fight boxing.

And I think that's the next level for us, you know, for Chris and I. You know, and the people need to respect that. It's like we're back to 2013, Chris. You're a pretty big dog here. Plus 250. He's a minus 290 on some. they're not respecting you again. It's like we've gone all the way back to the beginning. I am not surprised. I thought it would be worse than that, to be honest. I mean, I've never

boxed before. People have me as a wrestler. And Anderson, I mean, I don't think he deserves, I don't think he gets enough credit as, like, how good of a boxer he is. He's a very clean, crisp boxer. He looks great. So I am not surprised. There's a lot of unknowns with me. So I'm not, I'm not blown away with that at all. So no bad blood, no trash talk. It's all love and respect between the two of you. You've come a very long way in that regard. There's nothing mean you could say about each other.

There's nothing you want to say to spice it up. You know, imagine one thing. Chris and I need to do something very, very good for the community, for boxing, see us Kim boxing. You know, in the MMA community keep doing your own job and see, oh, Chris can do that, I can do that. Anderson do that, I can do that. You know, because a lot of people, again, a lot of people think, oh, when you lost your career or you finish your career in the MMA, you can't fight anymore. But that's not true, because imagine how hard is you doing the whole transition for boxing, because it's a different sport.

And Chris and I try to prove that for everybody, you know, is possible. You love something, you love your job, you love fighting, keep doing. Amen. I can't wait for this. What an honor this has been, really, a great privilege. Thank you to the both of you. Good luck in the final days of training. I'm honored that I'm going to get to be a part of it.

All these boxing people are going to be on the broadcast, but you'll have one of your own there too. I'll be there with the microphone as well. So it's a huge, huge honor for me to be a part of it too. Thank you so much, Anderson. All the best, too, looking forward to seeing you out there in Miami. Chris, as always, thank you so much for the time. Looking forward to it.

Both of you guys, your legends in your own right, and it was so great to do this. So thank you both. Thank you, my brother. Good see you. Thank you. Thank you, my guys. Good see you, bro.

Bye, bye. Amazing. There they are. Anderson Silva, Chris Weidman. Number three, should we call it three or is it one? I never know what to say when it's like the third or the second, but it's in a different sport. We dealt with this when Pereira and Izzy fought. They fought multiple times in kickboxing, but then it was the first. So what is it, guys?

Is it three or is it one? What are we doing here? I think it does not get the three, but you can still call it a trilogy. I think it's the three. No, it's not the three. Because it's under different rules. Different sports. I like the three.

No, no, no, no. It's not three. It's the third time they compete against each other Yes, you could say that You could call it a trilogy You can't put the three on the poster Alex Izzy

Alex Izzy Four No, no, no, not No, no, no I kind of You know why I like the three From a promotional standpoint It makes it feel bigger

No, you just call it the trilogy It's a trilogy It's a rubber match It's too It's the rare Third one when the other guy is two Although the second one was a little, you know,

inconclusive Where did you watch The second one, GC? Where were you? you. Actually, I was having to stay with my grandparents. My parents were on vacation. I was only four years old when that first, stop. You know you weren't. I was in college somewhere. Okay, holy shit. For a second, I thought you were being serious. Oh, man. Okay. You always love to be like, you were in your father's nuts. I was literally about to say it right after.

So much ice I could skate on it. So much, Rick, were you at one? Am I crazy? One? Were you at Anderson, Chris, one? No, I was not. Why do I feel like you were there? Maybe I'm thinking of UFC 189 or something like that. I was at UFC 189. I was not at that one. What did you think? You were a New York guy, one of your own?

I mean, he was... I was a Silva guy. Come on. You were a Silva guy? Oh, I'm a Silva guy through and through. By the way, this fight was so long ago, it's pre-Rick on the MMA hour long ago. Silva's my... Silva was my goat until John Jones came along.

Like, Silva was my guy of all guy. I was at UFC 101 watching Silva dismantle of Forest Griffin. It was the highlight of my life. BJ Penn also on that card against Kenny Florean And the Silva one was the one I was really there for You know what? I misspoke I'm thinking Chris's debut was

I was gonna say But 13 you were a part of the team 13 you were part of the team Yeah that Silva was my guy 1,000% I've always been a silver Look I love Chris Weidman New York's own shout out

But Anderson Silva is is the man I will never forget The second fight two things I'll never forget December 28th 2013 I'll never forget because I was working for Fox I've told the story before I'm the backstage reporter watch I would always watch the fights I would never watch the fights in the arena I would watch them on tiny monitors in the back because then the guys would come in the back and it was just easier to do it that way fight ends Chris is still in the in the cage getting interviewed reacting to it all and they are rushing Anderson to the hospital he's on the

the stretcher, they are rushing him, and I'll never forget the yells, the screeches, the screams, because he was in so much pain, his, his leg snapped, and it was right by me, and it was surreal, I couldn't believe it. I mean, talk about, you know, a fight that ended unceremoniously. It was, it was awful. It was absolutely awful that it ended that way. What made it crazier is just also, like, Anderson Silva has always felt invincible. Absolutely. That is the word I would describe him, right? And then this, the knockout was shocking, but he just always felt like he couldn't. not, as Chris said, like mentally, he's messing with people by fighting the way he fights.

He always felt like he just could not be touched. He was invincible. And to see him in that state was crazy. No, it was crazy. It really was. It was truly surreal. And then, if you recall, Rick, I remember this. I even remember what I was wearing on the show.

I was wearing a Toronto Huskies sweatshirt. The show that we did was December 30th. We didn't take breaks back then. We didn't take breaks for some reason. And we did the Monday show. And I believe it was the year before. before we started doing the awards and we did the Monday show to react because it was such a big pay-per-view and the UFC was always doing these sort of like end-of-the-year cards. So this was

December 28th and the show was December 30th. And I mean, Frank would, Frank would have quit long ago doing a show in December 30th. Are you kidding me? I mean, it's just like these types of conditions are just not fair. And Rick, you probably don't remember this. Or maybe you do. There was no one in the office. Like it was a ghost town. I remember. And the show ended. We talked about it. And then the UFC set up a conference call with a doctor to explain to us. It was like a media conference call. They don't really do these anymore. I guess with, they used to do conference calls all the time. And they were big. You'd, you know, press one to ask a question. And he explained the injury. He explained the surgery. He explained the road back and all this stuff. And it felt like,

obviously this wasn't the case, but it was like very, there was something about the office being quiet. It was, you know, holiday time in New York. It was dark. All the lights were off in the office that we were doing the show in on 40, what was it 40th or 42nd and 6. And there was just something very depressing and somber about the scene. And I was like, is Anderson going to be okay? We hadn't really seen an injury like that before. Now, unfortunately, a little bit more commonplace. But it was just kind of shocking to, to digest it all. Let me see if I can find it. The MMA hour, let me see who was on that show that day. December 30th. Did you broadcast the call? No, it was after the show. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. Wait, wait, wait. MMA hour full

episode archive, December 3rd. Wait, oh, oh, oh. Why do they all, every single one says December 23rd? What a hell? Why does every single one say December 23rd? There's like six of them. It's tough. Yeah, that is tough. So it was the week before. How many guests was on the 23rd? One, two, three, four, five. One, two, three, four, five, six.

Not too bad. Mike Chiapetta was on it. Some of those old MMA, oh, wait, 302, no, no. There was a period, Rick, you'll remember, when they put the MMA hour on Bright Cove. Do you remember those days? Sure do. And those have just all kind of disappeared.

Also, like, a lot of it is just the, like, the MMA Hour episode 385. Yeah. It doesn't really say, like, what's going on. Oh, yeah. Oh, this was back. You know, now you talk about titles and thumbnails and all this. Oh, yeah, the thumbnail. It was the same thumbnail for every single one.

It was just the logo. It's so good. It didn't even cross our mind. Yeah. Same thumb. Same title, just a different number. wait there's one here no this is july 2015 no no no anyway would have been fun to take that trip down memory lane but i remember it well that was actually the first fight i had seen

myself really yeah like i had seen one or two the first one when when that was the one where silver got the injury right no the second was the second one was it then yeah i was at a party someone had gotten the pay-per-view had a bunch of people over and i'm like if this is how every fight ends like what the hell is I had seen clips from like the VHS days where they were bad injuries but this was oh wow you had never seen a fight before full fight like I'd only seen clips this one I was actually with like a live group seeing it happen in fact I just reached out to them to let them know who was on the show oh really yeah wow how do you remember that I'm like do you remember the break I'm like oh I've forgotten about that that's insane no that yeah man I remember where I was at for

Wyman Hall really yeah was at ESPN oh yes that's hey Rick can you keep it down over there I mean no right he's just It keeps going. Yes, so that was Jacksonville, right? Pandemic, that was off top of my dome. That was April 21. Correct, yeah. Yeah.

So what were you doing? You were doing game night? You may have been doing game night. Yeah. I may have been doing game night, yeah, show. I mean, I could look in the text archives. Hey, Ariel, you're good to join after all your duties are done? 1.30 Eastern, we're thinking.

We'd love to have you. It would be great. That's when most people are listening. That's a.m. actually. Do you, do you not, do you not remember the Halloween

Anderson Silva fight? It's actually... I'd love to, I'd love to... You know what's crazy about this? Anderson, Anderson fighting on Halloween at the apex is the only time the UFC has ever had an event on Halloween.

Yeah, Halloween 2020. What did I do? Were you not? Let's see. Because next year, because this year, Halloween's on a Friday, does that mean next year it's going to be on a Saturday? It's usually how much.

works right yeah unless it's a leap year then we'll jump no Saturday we'll jump ahead to sunday it's exciting Halloween 2020 let's go back sometimes you go back in the photos it gives you a clue yeah yeah yeah what was I for Halloween 2020 you know hmm it wasn't like I was doing much yeah it was kind of pandemic days it was a little bit depressing yeah all right well look into that get back to us and for now we're going to move along to our next and final guest of the day he was victorious on Saturday in Abu Dhabi. Great fight. Fight that won a fight of the night bonus, went the distance, a fight in which he was able to get back on track after a tough one earlier in the year against Mateus Scamrod.

Ludovid Klein, who, I mean, was on a great run prior to that fight and is usually on the winning end of things. A tremendous bloody affair. Back and forth, it went. But in the end, he was victorious and there's now a somewhat memorable slash iconic photo of him on the stool celebrating because it appeared as though he severely injured his ankle during the fight. So let's get an update from Ludovic Klein, who is kind enough to join us on this Wednesday evening. There he is. Oh, there is. Hello, sir.

How are you? I'm feeling great. I'm home and I finally made it to your show. Yes. Well, it's great to have you here. And by the way, could you tell us how do you, back home, how do you pronounce your first name? Is it Ludovit or Ludovit? Ludovit.

Ludovit, okay. And, well, congratulations on the win. And most importantly, out the top, how are you feeling? Because I think you suffered an ankle injury in the fight. Yes, but I still feel great. But I'm still waiting on my surgery. Did you break your ankle? Yes, I have break my ankle and I just

I'm just to just for now. Hey guys, I will be doing a little bit translation. Okay, hello. What's your name? Hey, Andre. Hello, Andre. Oh, of Octagon. It's me. Oh, yes, we love Octagon here.

Thank you, thank you. Congrats, okay, please. So basically the situation is like Ludovie took some pre-operation appointments, But the doctors told him the ankle is swollen, so they need to wait like two, three, four days, more days for the operation. So surgery is supposed to be next Monday or Tuesday. There is a small bone broken in the ankle, and as his ankle was dislocated, but thanks God, got back. so they

he might have some muscles torn there they will see after MRI and X-ray okay and do you know

when this happened in the fight yes I know it was in the beginning in the third

round in the first minute yes first minute in the third round wow and were you

in a lot of pain yes I feel pain and I feel he felt pain but also he tried to stand up but he felt his ankle was unstable he couldn't stand anymore on the ankle so as you can remember from the five he stood up and then he lay down back yes to the takedown yes i i trying one time goes up but

it was a really problem for me and after this i go on my knee and I find that I'm a lot of my trainer he was searching for his coaches and for his corner and he was yelling at the team that he has broken ankle I have broken my ankle before playing basketball and I was in excruciating pain

I can't even imagine were you worried that you would have to stop the fight were you worried that you wouldn't be able to make it to the end So, if I was, that I was, that I'd have to stop, or how do you? Well, I mean, so I can say, that I thought that I'm not registered, and I tried to see my trainers, that I'm going to go back and just to three minutes.

So basically, in the same time, how he was yelling at the corners, that he has broken ankle, he was also hoping that the opponent couldn't recognize it and he was trying to listen his coaches which were yelling at him to stay on the back and work from from ground so yeah he was worried but he was listening all four minutes his coaches to stay on the back that photo that I spoke of of you on the stool celebrating can you describe what you are feeling here because I'm sure you're in pain but you're obviously very happy as well that you have just won a great fight yeah there was a lot of emotion because it was a really hard fight for me because i i win two uh two rounds uh without some problems

and and and that's the third time i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm very much And I'm very thankful to the victory at the end. Yeah, basically, yeah, there was a pure emotions after the fight because he was feeling really, really great in the first two rounds. And when this happened, he was a little bit worried that he cannot make it until end. But in the end, he was really, really happy. And in addition to that, you got your first UFC bonus. Congratulations.

Thank you so much. That probably helps a little bit, right? Yeah, yes, of course. Were you feel, you know, I talked about that you were on a great winning streak and then you had the Gamrod fight. Were you feeling pressure to get back on track to not lose two in a row? Yes, I'm feeling pressure, but actually lost to Gamrod really motivated me. And because I know that I am one of the best guy in the lightweight division, and I believe. I believe that I will be in top 15 soon.

Okay. What did you think of his performance against Charles Olivera? I watched this fight, and I was a little surprised when Charles Olivera submitted Gamrod in the second round. Yeah, I was surprised. Why were you surprised? Were you expecting him to win? because I know that Gamrod is really good on the ground. His jujitsu is really, really good.

And I thought I thought that Charles Olivera but I didn't think I, he said that he was expecting Charles Oliverer to win, but he didn't expect that it's going to be that easy and not even with a choke or submission. You were unbeaten for seven straight fights and then it was the Gamrod fight and now you get back on track with this fight. You're not ranked right now in the lightweight division.

I know it's a great division, but are you bothered that you're not ranked? Do you think that you should be in the top 15? Yes, a little bit. I'm frustrated. I'm frustrated. because I beat a lot of good names. But this is my goal.

I want to be in top 15. I need... ...that I need to... ...so tautrebuen so... ...he only needs to heal up from his injury and he is hoping to be ranked basically another his next win. next win. Okay. You've been trying to get a fight against Armand Serukian, right? That's the one you really want. Uh, that's, if you'd be sick to be able to, I couldn't say, that's, you want to, yes, of course,

uh, uh, that I think I can't get that I'm going to be my next super. Basically, there were some talks before the fight of Gamrodot that if we, we, will beat gamrod Taruka and might be next so basically we were obviously looking with one eye for Arman but yes it's

one of these dream fights. Do you think Armin is going to beat Dan Hooker? Yes I think I think beat Dan Hooker Armand. Do you think he can beat Ilya? Armand? Yeah.

I think no. I think I think Ilya to put the armand because for me is Ilya really, really a danger guy. Okay, what about Ilya versus Patty? Do you think Patty can beat him? I think this fight is fighting, fights for people. But my favorite in Eurcich, Ilya But his 100% favorite is Ilyatopuria versus Perry. Okay.

He's just saying that it's a fun fight for fans. Sure, sure. Do you have any idea, have they told you how long you'll be out for? Like once you get the surgery next week, conceivably when could you fight again? How long will you be sidelined for? We'll see me, because he's just my chakaed one week, We will see that there are results from the MRI and X-rays on Friday. But the first talks, what we were talking with doctors,

they said it's going to be around four, five months with no practicing. So basically he could be back in seven, eight months. Okay. I know you recently had your second child. right congratulations yes thank you so much a boy right yes it's a boy

okay so you have a boy and a girl there's your beautiful family congratulations would you like for your your son to follow in your footsteps to be a fighter one day would you be happy about that or would you rather not

if he won that if you're going to if you'll be able to see it then I'll actually he'll put forwarding but how you can take some other in his sport, like, that is going to support him

if he is going to like it to be a fighter, but if he is going to choose any other sport, he will be always covering his back. But he's going to support him if he chooses to be a fighter.

Your daughter, how old is she? How old is she? Eight. Eight. So, when you come home, you know, with the black guy and the ankle,

how does she react to seeing her father, like that? She watched my last fight. Oh gosh. Yeah, and she she that was her first fight when she was

watching first time ever and she was crying. She was crying because she was scared for you. Yeah. Oh no. Yes, yes. Was she there or was she watching at home?

She watching on at home. Okay. And did you call her after? She was watching first time in my fight. Yeah. This fight was really wild. Yes, a lot of blood, injury, all this stuff. Yeah, she cried, yes.

Did she say never again? She doesn't want to watch? Yes. This was the first and last time when she watched my fight. Oh my gosh. I can't imagine. That's scary for a young kid to see their father like that. but that's very exciting congratulations to you and your family

and congratulations on all the great things happening in your career and as we've talked about it's a very exciting time for the sport in your region with everything going on with Octagon and whatnot I wanted to ask you about your countryman Martin Boudet who was let go from the UFC and is now going to fight in Octagon what did you think of that when that happened he was with me in Abu Dhabi He supported me there and I was really surprised when he go out from the UFC because he has a good score at there.

But yeah, that he didn't have a very attractive. But, for me it's still sport, he's going to win and he deserved to say he could understand that he didn't have really excited fights, but for Ludovid is still a sport and the winners should be kept in the best division. And with his score and his wins, he was

really, really shocked when UKC didn't remain his contract. I believe that you are the first Slovakian to be in the UFC, right? Yeah. How...

First and only right now. First and only right now, yes, unfortunately for Martin. How much does that mean to you? And I'm just curious, how popular is the sport in Slovakia? In Slovakia, I think MMA is a lot of popular. And for me, it's a big thing representing my country in the world, in the UFC. and I hope I will be representing Slovakia for a long time.

Does it get covered there? Does the media talk about it, the sport and your fights? Do you get that attention? A lot. Yes, a lot. A lot, okay. So they'll cover your fight. And when you come home now, are a lot of people talking about your big win?

Yes, yes, yes. You like that? Yes, I like. I enjoy this moment because I am really, really happy for this victory. It was a hard fight for me, but now I enjoy this time. When I think of Slovakia, I always think of hockey, Zedeno, Chara, Peter Bondra, Pavel Demitra, these people I think of. Did you play hockey when you were a kid? Did you ever consider going down that path? when i was kid i played hockey on with my friends on on the street uh but i i i know this uh these guys marian gabberig is denoara uh marian hosa yeah they're your friends uh my friends is marian gabborik okay amazing they support you yes yes yes okay i would love to visit one day, Slovakia, that whole region.

Beautiful. I hear it's beautiful. You are invited. Oh, thank you. Maybe I would like to come to an Octagon show. Do you go to the Octagon shows? You are invited also. Yes, thank you.

Thank you. Have you guys had an Octagon show in Slovakia? We have one show this year in Bratislav. Last month. Okay. But next year, I hope will be two. too. Okay, so when do you think you'll be ranked

high? What do you envision that we're talking about Ludovit Klein top eight, top six, top five, when does this happen for you? I hope I hope I will be next year in the top 15

and we will see I need some good victories is there with good names, maybe Moikano, San Deni, or Michael Chandler, and I hope I go to the forward. Forward and yeah. Amazing. Well, I wish you the best. Congratulations.

Good luck with the surgery next week. And thank you for joining us. It was great to have you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, and thank you, Andre, as well.

Thank you so much. All the best to you guys. Have a good day. Bye, bye. Yes, there he is. Ludovic Klein of Slovakia. I do believe the first, oh no, I can't say that. We've had Martin Boudai on, so not the first Slovakian fighter. But yes, many a great athlete have come from Slovakia. You guys know this, right? Who are some of the best here? Peter Bondra, of course, of the Washington Capitals, Zedano Chara. Oh, Yaroslav Halak, former Montreal Canadiens, goalie, Richard Zednik. Who else? Who else? Martin Jakubko. Are these all hockey?

Yeah, they're all hockey. Yeah, see, this is a knowledge gap for me. This is a knowledge gap for me. If Jordan were here, he'd be all over this. Probably a lot of Slovakian Olympians. Oh, yeah. We sort of focus on the Canucks. But we do...

They might beat. That's true. And that's a good point. Or get beat. Joseph Adamek, a well-known footballer, Milan Skriniar, Marik Hamschek. I mean, it just seems so lovely over there, you know? There's only two. That really mattered me.

Who's that? Novi. And Budai, yeah. No. Budai back in Octagon. Yeah, soon, right? 28th, I believe. 28th of December.

Oh, wow. That's weird. We were just talking about the 28th of December with UFC 160. Zalgis Sumagulov on that card as well. Yep, yep, yep. That's your boy. another one to the g-seye that's the mount rushmore Pfeiffer abys

Klein Zumagulov Yo next next Uncrowned films Wait no no excuse me What is Octagon An Uncrowned film is going to hit September 26th That's the big one right

Frankfurt Stadium show You guys are getting the dock Me and Rick are doing a live watch party Within the confines of the stadium Wow we're going all out It's also at the same time as October Fest, it will be in Germany. Wait a second, wait a second. October Fest is in September?

Yes. What the hell? Why? It starts in September. Starts in September ends in October. Now, I've been to watch any of the Fight Feast. Fight Feast, would be insane. I've never been to Germany.

Have you guys ever been to Germany? No. I have. You have? Should I start looking at flights? When did you go? I went to Oberhausen for Glory Collision 1. Wow.

And it was a scene. Frank, have you ever been to Germany? Uh, no. Andy? Yes. You have? I have, yes. Which part?

I went to Munich. Loved it. So there's a part of me that's like, man, first time in Germany, it's Frankfurt. Is that the move? Yeah, why not? Disrespecting Frankfurt. That's actually how Frank got his name. Literally how I got my name.

You're right, you're right. I was just thinking, that's a good point. Crazy little fact. Yeah. My dad, born right near Frankfurt. Wow. Yeah. Where?

Military base. Okay, okay. Yeah. Does he consider German? Nope. Like, can he apply for a German passport? I don't think so, no. Because it's technically American.

Yeah. Yeah, American said. He was a military brat? He was on a base. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. The base is still like... Yeah, but I don't know what the, you know, what the loophole are.

The jurisdiction, yeah, yeah, yeah. And technically was the hospital on the base? Oh, yes, definitely. Oh, it was? All right, fine. Yeah, so Frankfurt, September 26th next year. Give me the pizza. Give me the PT. G.C.

G.C. moved on from that, like, Devin Haney talking about certain people at top rank. It was just like, yeah, so, you know, the other thing that we're talking about. Where's the PT? Do we have the PT? Or did we delete it? Yeah, we got it. We got it. Here comes. Here it comes. There it is. There, come on. That's it. That's the move right there. I was actually getting a little nervous that I was wrong. But no, right outside of Frankfurt. Wait, you were getting nervous that you were wrong about your dad's birthplace. Vizbod.

all right is the name I didn't know if it was right outside maybe a Cologne I went to

Munich after the event I went to a Christmas market and it was one of the greatest

things I've ever been to in my entire life no I'd like to go I've never been touch up

on your German Christmas market in Germany is elite stuff I'm October

Fines Fight Fees October Fest I mean It will hit Generation What is Octagon Doc

The live The watch party for Octagon 90 or whatever. Price it out. Price it out. What is this going to cost us? Who cares? We're not just throwing.

Priceless. That's true. The amount of memories that get formed. That's a good point. Live shows, I'm thinking Thursday and Friday from. Who can we get? Yeah, who are we getting on there? What kind of luminaries can we get?

We can also go to an... Dentisiever. Frankfort game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I can see where I was born. Training out of Germany. Okay.

Connor and Avis meeting for the first time. Live show in Germany? You think we're big in Germany? Chat. I bet we could do a live show in Germany. How many, uh, how many of you watching right now are, uh, joining us from Germany? Well, we'll see. We'll see.

Let's see. Hmm. There's a bit of a delay, isn't there? Yes. Yeah. But the, the, this high five emoji, I think, says they're from Germany. Throw the, uh, throw the orange black and red in the chat. Let us know.

Let us know. In the meantime. Uh, any super chats, Frankie. Let me see. Yeah. Looks like we have a couple here. Okay, what do we got? What do we got?

The first one says, that's not salsa. It's Batchata. How dare you? Hmm. Let's play it back. What is it? They're talking about the song that Crawford was dancing to. Oh my God.

I was thinking like, salsa. Someone's hungry. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Okay, so, so it is what? Let me see. Bachata. What is Bata?

Chata. Okay. By the way, it says, Bichata's the style of social dance and music from the Dominican Republic. There's no chance.

All right. Right? It's a good rebuttal. We'll see if they reply. Yeah, yeah. And please, your reply has to be at least $9.99 or up.

In their defense, they didn't have music before, so they were just going off of the dance moves. That's a good point. That's a good point. What else? Yes, Boy, writes,

what is everyone's knowledge slash take on 3i Atlas? I don't know. what that is. That is the third interstellar body that we've confirmed in our own solar system

like an asteroid or a comet. This one's actually a comet. No one cares, really. Let's be honest. No, no one cares. Another G.C. Top 5 fighter, Sean Strickton. Yes. Oh, that's a good point. That's a good point. That's a good point. No, Strickton. Stricton. That's what I said. John Strickton.

What else, Frankie? What else? This one is from Robert McAllister. That's fucking illegal. Oh, wow. Uh-huh. Look at you. Well done. What else?

What else? You're going to love this one. I'm the guy that changed his profile picture to BJ. See, it worked. I love the Dodgers, but never thought I'd see senior and junior both play a World Series in my life, 10 senior and now junior 20. Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah.

Shout out to him type in like, uh, it's 2008 on AI. Is there like a character limit over there or what? love l uv two number two they were in a hurry doug guy wait so what you're saying danny is you're not an actual blue jays fan you just did it to get our attention i mean all you had to do is just give us the uh the super chat but all right bro was giving us on t9 texting there yeah what else frankie what else people forget man john jones in an interview talked about how much serial fouls rich coming from john but yes serial fouls in all his fights there was a a clip that surfaced of john on on someone's

podcast. There's like some crypto guy or something. He's like, oh, yeah, I saw a clip of him from I saw a clip of Tom from early in his career where he quit, where he tapped. Do you guys, yeah, I saw that. And my takeaway from that was like, so why didn't you fight him? Like, if you think he's a quitter, if you think he's a bum, why didn't you take the money and fight his ass? It was very weird. People forget, man. That? What do they forget? No, that was what the the comments said it said people forget oh okay oh that's right that's right what else frankie what else ariel and pt laughing at the top of the show reminded me of the clip of the people with the most outrageous laughs in one room real ones will know i guess i'm not a real one yeah it's a great video

thanks for the six 99 drew yeah drudger uh canadian by the way yeah what else frankie and then lastly a spooky says rank these possible 2026 matchups to perry versus patty islam versus Shafka, Jones versus Pereira, Max versus Charles, Amali versus San Diego. Okay, okay, okay. Toporia Patty, I think will happen. Islam Shavka. No, no, you're ranking them. Yeah. Oh, like, as far as like what I'm into?

Almost like a blind ranking. Yeah, I'm sure. No, it's not a blind ranking. You're looking. Close your eyes and do it. I have to kind of read them all. Okay, very, uh, very easy for me. Five. Okay. Toporia patty one. Are you starting top to bottom? Top top. Okay. Number one to one. Yeah. O'Malley San Hagan 2.

This is horrific already, yep. Islam Shafkat, three. Oh, Jesus Christ. Oh, shit, you know what? My bad. Jones, I thought it said Izzy Pereira. Okay, let me start over. Just like I saw Izzy.

Okay. Teporea. Okay. Jones Pereira one. Yes. Thank you. Tepariah, Patty, two. Yeah.

Islam Shop cut three. Yeah, sure. Why not? Yeah, for sure. Ommy Sanahe. Max Charles. Max Charles last? I mean, yeah, we saw it already in Saskatoon.

Ten years ago. Yeah, but we saw it. Shout out to Saskatoon. We've been talking about O'Malley Sandhagen forever. Tomato. By the way, there's a, there's a couple more. Go ahead. There's one here from Evo.

Is Ilya versus Patty the biggest fight to make in early 2026? Sure, but you know what? I'd argue Cyril versus Tom now has a lot of heat behind it. But yes, Ilya Patty is going to break through. There's no doubt about that. and I think it should be the the first PLE main event or whatever we're calling it.

Jesse Roscoe says is Dana's who gives a shit dropworthy? Remember that from Saturday? Who gives a shit? Do you think we should add it or is it too much? It's too, too apathetic and too much of it. Like, that's not a good memory. Yeah, you're so right.

It's uninspeaking illegal. That's a good memory. That's what Dana would say. Yeah. By the way, you fear, you feel the passion. there right like you really felt this way yeah this other one he's like i just want to get to my plane stop asking me a question yeah it really is like the answer is like almost like uh trying to think of a good comparison to what it's like getting asked it's just like i don't fucking love yeah it's

that's like he's been a lot of people have asked him questions he's like i don't even know what you're talking about it's ariel being asked about the three-eye comet frank was talking about that was pretty disrespectful you think taylor you're gonna care when it's Kelsey are going to last? Ah, fucking no. Yeah, it's something like that. Do you think there's crucial foul in your sport that you essentially own matters? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Who gives a shit? Here's actually another good one here, Frank, that you missed. This is from Josh Packham. It says message retracted. But does that mean we still get the $4.99? Yeah, we still. For sure we do. Wow.

Shout out, Josh. Yeah, who is we? Who gets the $4.99? Who the fuck is we? That's a good question. My daughter was asking me this as well. It's all of your kids were very concerned about where does this money go. I don't know if they were like, we need some allowance or what was going.

Is it go to a bank account? I get it. It goes directly to me. If they email me, we'll talk about how to distribute it. I think that was the last one, right? That was the last one. It's hard to clip them out when I'm reading them to you. I like you finishing them off like this.

Oh, no. Now it's gone. I remember a time where you used to be our moderator on on the nose. Yeah, you let me do that for a little bit days. That didn't last long. He suggested he, he volunteered and then he unvolunteered. That's called the old Frank volunteer. Yeah, I offered to do something.

I've retracted it. You think I pulled them from it? Yeah. You absolutely pulled it. No. Like a giant, with the giant. You were like, hey man, you don't have to do it. I like, I like, I like, great.

Well, you're not doing it anymore. Wait a second. You want to do it? Please. No, it was like. No, there is no moderator anymore. No, because you were like, don't give me so many softballs. Like, ask some hard ones.

Now you're like, there's so much to do. I have to come in and check the Zoom, there's this, there's that. You were complaining to the point where I'm like, all right, Frank, we get it, we get it, we get it. Just me has a great suggestion in the chat. He says the super chat money should go to the Germany trip. Hell yeah. We can talk to our friends at Yahoo. For the Uber in a big jar.

We'll walk away with $52 and 16 cents. We can start putting up on the super chat. We put up a number like it's a telethon over the course of the next couple of shows. It just keeps building and building and then we go to Germany. I'm in I would listen I would love it I would absolutely love it

it would be great and then we'll go to Risen at some point and we gotta get KSW in there KSW probably before Octagon those are the top three I've said it

I've said it from day one KSW is the the actual Kremdela Kremlin that is the Risen not for me me my Super Bowl is KSW and then Octagon

and then Risen All right what was that Frankie I was like Risen on New Year's Eve I know that'd be amazing it would be amazing

maybe next year is If you can't do it I'll do it I will just go out there We'll sort it out It would be great And will you be sort of like The question asked

I'll be the question asked I'll have cute cards Like well Ariel wanted it know Yeah And then I'm like in the next Yeah Well this one doesn't seem appropriate It'll be like the super chats

I'll miss They'll be like Let me look through the cards here Let me look through the cards here Let me look through the cards Casey do you have the card You see just shaking the camera no The guy's like

You know Face is all beaten up Let me just did I ask us something about what's that guy's name from Darren Crookshank what was that I think the sound of Rick

Rick is actually a beast man wheezing laugh about Derek what a fucking pull what a just random pull Derek Krugshank He sounds like a toy and the squeaker

is broken What is this job of the buttback I thought that that was like a chair No, no, it was Rick He's just, he's becoming on Hinge. Holy shit, Derek Crickshank. Remember, he was great.

Good God. He was great, but what a random name. The Detroit superstar. Flemm mixed in that as well. No, no, it was dry. He's the guy who went over to Risen and, like, had this. It was him. Wait, don't tell me.

It was him and the dude. James Tudel. No, no, no. Juan Archiletta. Yeah, yeah. But Juan is like, One Archoleta is, that is on the Halwani Mount Rushman. One Archoleta and Davy Ramos.

That's right. Davy. Do we do a fight? Do we do Uncrowned films where you and Davy Ramos finally? Just talk about the fight? Talk about the fight. That end and I sit down with James Tahuna. Oh, my God.

Also, I saw it yesterday on the show. Someone asked about the origination of it. It's kind of no-sold a little bit. You're like, how we were talking, and I said, I said James DeVan. And he said Tyson-Pedra. You were pushing the James. Stahuna agenda hard you're like no come on man he just fought he caught out Jake Paul like you don't remember this and like he's sitting there and he's like looking at

his people off camera he's just like what the fuck is this guy talking about and then they're like come on man your boy james tehuna and he's just like no and he's like he's like did you're talking about Tyson Pedro you're like oh fuck it can't be described you have to see the clip and but you have to see 45 second back You have to see... You have to see the clip, but you have to see the clip where then G.C. talks about it after.

That's the thing. You have to see the clip, and then you have to see the GC reaction to the clip. I wish we had the backstage reaction because I was the only one back here laughing like a madman and everyone was like,

what the fuck he's laughing? Because you knew I was wrong? Yes. Why did you chime in? Ariel, actually, is Tyson Pedro? I don't have, Frank. You set me up with the director here. Ty was doing a good job correcting you as it was.

You just weren't listening. You just weren't taking it. Listen, there's so many good ones. There's James Tihuna, where are you now? There's... Oh, James Tihuna. Where is he now? That's got banger written all over.

But are we talking to James Tijuana or Tysha Pedro? Which one are we actually doing? Why was he on my mind in that moment is the big question. What about trigger treating with Devin Haney? I don't know about that one, man. Does this make you uncomfortable? Is this shit freaking you out, bro? Yeah.

Hey, do you want us to get rid of it, huh? Yeah, what would you have done if he's like, actually, I can't stand to be in this room any longer? We can break it down if you want to. Yeah. These goblins and ghoul scaring you, man. It's the quickest I've ever seen you to blame a producer. You're like, well, they set this up. I don't really ever like them to do this.

No, no, as soon as you. Before the show, I'm in the studio and here, I was like, what do you think he's going to think he's going to think he's going to think he'll be in the holiday spirit. You're a Halloween fan? No. no why not you're like i don't celebrate either oh oh well i'm uh i'm jewish to talk about getting your kids dressed up we don't celebrate either he's like oh so your kids don't do it no actually they do it they just kind of feel like do it i dress up i give out candy i love it it's non-denom i had to hit him with my parents my parents did turn off the lights back in the day so i

i felt like that made him feel better no no no all right i just thought everyone kind of My brother does a new Halloween because he's religious, so I just, yeah, and then at one point during the interview, something happened. Yeah, what happened over there? He's like, oh, she's just a fucking leaf. The battery pack is hanging out from the lights. The battery pack fell down too. That's coming apart. It was swinging. When you were explaining that your parents turned off the lights, you said they shut the lights. I'm like, what is going on in that room? Yeah, they shut the, no, there's a, there's a skeleton that fell also. You can't see it, but. it's on the ground

next to the scary goblin and ghoul I think the ghost did it there's a ghost in this studio there's all kinds of things happen

only thing would have been better if you were in a Dracula costume or something wait Devin welcome Devin I want to suck your fun you didn't get the memo

crystal you didn't tell Devin it was a dress-up day I don't do this shit imagine this like dude he's like tough fight he comes and he's like

what the fuck is this you know something's different in this place like yeah all the Halloween stuff What do you imagine? Is this different?

I don't know. It's the big spider web next to. The best is looking at the skeletons behind you. That guy. Is shit freaking you out, man? You all right? The goblin? You comfortable?

When the leaf fell and you apologized for the leaf fog. I always like, I don't want any heat here. All right. Please. Peace and love. Peace and love. All right, guys. Well, that was a nice laugh.

Tomorrow, what do we have? What do we have on the B.I.? Are you guys doing your show tomorrow? We sure are. Pound for Pound Scariest Fighters We also got a costume That we're going to be wearing

We're going to be wearing costumes Okay Is everyone wearing costumes Like Frank, Andy That's up to them We don't know yet We don't know yet We don't get in the spirit guys

The invitation was given out It's a group costume Okay Literally not Everybody in this control room Has been told If you want to wear a costume Please we encourage

Oh wait a second When you say group costume Do they have to Wear something that pertains to the costume Like, does it fit? Oh, interesting. We don't have to.

Absolutely. It was a theme that everyone loves. Oh. And, yeah. I mean, I agree. Fighting nerds, glasses. No, I think me and Rick are going to be the only two dressed up. All right, we'll see.

No, Dan was kind of like giving vibes. Okay. Also, breaking news, Frank. Yeah. As per the request of the fans, one E.K.C. Liden will be able to start. Wow. Look at that. We will pull back the curtain on uncrowned films.

We will get some... The dirt on his departure? No, no, no, no. We're not that kind of the type of show. We don't do that. Is that what happened? No. But he will also be participating in the scariest fighters list.

Oh, wow. He will be participating in Pound for Palley Pals, too? Nah, come on. Some things are sacred. We need Pizzi to be the only one. No? We're still doing that? I thought so.

Why? Who lost this week? I think everyone... We keep track of that? I think maybe everyone lost. No, I definitely lost. Jelton lost. Joseph Parker lost.

Oh, man. Tom was a push. Who did I have? I had Walter Walker, so I didn't lose shit. Oh, yeah, shut up. It's the gloating that I don't like. Yeah, I know. No, you know.

You guys let me down. Voicemails back. Voicemails. If you haven't gotten them in, get them in now because we're going to listen to more than usual just because we owe you from last week. Sup, B-I-T-B. There it is.

And then obviously we'll be doing a deep, deep dive down to the depths of UFC Vegas 110. Certainly the depths. Certainly the depths. We call it around these parks. UFC Apex 110. Timi Kuwamba, Changho Lee will have a full breakdown of that. Dante Johnson said Dreek Dumas still within the promotion. And of course, the people's main event, Phil Roe version.

Really? I thought you were going to say Waldo Cortez. Yeah, that's the people against Ante? I mean, I feel like that. Well, that's actually the people's Super Bowl. Okay. Ante Delia must put an end to this reign of terror. Oh, yeah.

Once and for all. All right. And then, of course, the crack on Friday, then watch party for UFC Vegas. One ton. Yeah. On Saturday. And obviously, the Octagon card as well.

Oh, that's right. That's right. Who could forget. And the two post shows. And the two post shows. Why two? Oh, for each event. And then we're going to do a World Series post show after the Jamie's

when on Friday or Saturday. We'll see. We'll see. One of those things. Official prediction for tonight. Four three good guys. That's four three Toronto Blue Jays. Trey Savage is going to pitch an absolute gem of a complete game. And we're going to go back to the six to play game six.

Up. Three to three. To win in six. I'm trying to get it. I do have to say, just because you mentioned earlier about the game five's, Magic Johnson. Yeah. It was a gem on Twitter, had this to say.

With the series being 2-2, game 5 is very important. Pivotal. Did he say pivotal? Not pivotal, but he says whichever team wins will take control of this series. I think that's great analysis. Thanks, Magic. I think he nailed it. Appreciate that one.

Whoever runs his social media is clearly trolling, and they do a great job. You don't think it's him? No. Oh, you actually think this is a, you actually think this is like a gag. It has to be a gag. Yeah, it's a guy. He simply just states facts of the obvious. Everything is just a restatement of something very, very obvious

that everybody can look up in half a second. There's no analysis to it. It's one of the best gags going. The game six starter, Kevin Gossman, quote tweeted it with a gif of Will Ferrell saying he's absolutely right. He is right. So there you go. Because he didn't say anything.

It's been hard for me to cheer for my Michigan State football team. They are 0 and 5 in the Big Ten. It is pretty clever. The Lakers ones are the best ones. I think it's him, to be honest. Without LeBron, the Lakers were not good tonight. Luca Dunchits is good at basketball. Another NBA MVP candidate Anthony Edwards put up 41 points

and the Timberwolves 118 to 114 win over the Portland Trailblaze. It can't be real. No way, but it ain't him. It's like that. I went to the Lakers game last night and watched my Lakers get beat by the Warriors 119 to 109. What's wrong with that? No, it's great. It's great for ESPN ticker, but it doesn't really

mean anything coming from Magic Johnson. Listen, not everything has to be all you know. No, no, it's not everything. Anything? On the contrary, everything he posts is nothing. The Commander's 25-24 lost in the Bears last night was heartbreaking. You do you, Magic. Sorry to hear it, Magic.

Except I hope we beat you. All right, guys, it's time to go. It's been a great day here on the program Nice little reunion there Between one Anderson Silva and Chris Wyatman Love that That was wonderful Who would have thought? Who would have thought guys? Who would have thought?

Big game tonight I was struggling to stay up last night I was so tired Golly was I tired But we're back I think I got a new freezer I think a new freezer is waiting for me at home guys i'm very excited about this one of those like no it's like a standing upright freezer i bought one

two years ago it broke piece of junk g e very disappointing you get monogram this time hmm don't know what that is that's like the upper g e models oh no i you know what i went to a place they offered me several models i said no g disappointed so i went with i think a lesser brand but i needed something different what do you put in your freezer generally uh meats um It's all Frank shopping for a microwave for you for Christmas. Yeah, man. That's nice. Do you want the one that goes, ding?

Or? I would love, you know, there are definite times where I'm like, man, a microwave would be very helpful right now. It would be quick. It would be effective. How do you reheat your coffee? I would never do that. That's absolutely disgusting. I have a great coffee machine, a Jura.

So you just make a new cup? Or you're saying you wouldn't waste any by letting it get cold. No, I make it. It's like per cup. Press the button, grinds the beans. You've never like, oh, damn, I forgot to finish that cup. Absolutely not. I doubt it. Let's be honest. You just leave it sitting somewhere. Someone takes care.

No, you said it. Not me. Great day, guys. Thank you very much. Devin Haney, Matt Brown, Chris Weidman, Anderson Silva, Ludovico Klein. Thanks to them. Thanks to you. Back tomorrow. Stay time, both, this, say, peace. Go chase.