The Ariel Helwani Show - Dillon Danis in studio, Jiri Prochazka, Mauricio Ruffy, UFC 313 aftermath

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

Ariel Helwani reacts to everything UFC 313, from Magomed Ankalaev's title win over Alex Pereira, to Justin Gaethje's "Y'all Must've Forgot" performance, and more (01:54).Mauricio Ruffy stops by following his Knockout of the Year worthy win over King Green to discuss his harrowing road through MMA, how Neymar assisted with his highlight-reel KO, his pursuit of Islam Makhachev, the success of the Fighting Nerds team and more (1:07:24).Jiri Prochazka talks shop about Alex Pereira's loss to Magomed Ankalaev, the new champ's post-fight comments, his past run-in with Ankalaev and more (1:32:31).Dillon Danis joins in-studio to discuss his upcoming fights against KSI and Tony Ferguson, training with Alex Pereira before the Magomed Ankalaev bout, how much he's making to face KSI, Logan Paul's lawsuit, battling alcohol addiction, getting blackballed from UFC and more (2:02:03).

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that explains a lot when I came in everyone just showed up like 30 seconds ago because I think he forgot all out of sorts he was like oh I had to update my computer I'm like no no no we're calling cap, no, we're calling Cap. We're calling Cap. It's okay. I mean, I did give him a heads up yesterday and you know, went out of my way to do that. Actually we were talking, cause over the weekend, I don't know if you guys saw the tricky trees from Nottingham happened to pick up a big win over Manchester city on a Saturday morning.

So my weekend really started off in the finest of forums. And then of course we got into UFC 313 and well we have a lot to discuss as far as UFC 313 is concerned and I would like to say this right here now Frank actually I do have some breaking news. I have to apologize. I have to apologize to the audience and I have to apologize to one fighter in particular. This is a shoot. This isn't a work. This isn't a gimmick or anything like that. I need to offer an apology at the very start of the show. Before I get to that apology, let me tell you about today's program.

Back into the show, we'll be joined by our old friend Dylan Dannis, who of course returns to action on March the 29th, AO Arena in Manchester. It's a misfits pay-per-view. He is finally, it appears going toe to toe with the great KSI. This is a fight that was supposed to happen a couple of years ago. It did not come to fruition. And this is the third time that he visits us in studio.

Now there was one, uh, reunion of, post Logan Paul fight in November of 2023 when we had our Ha'awani Roadshow in New York City the day before the MSG card. But this is round three as I'm billing it. First time, it was quite the intense one. Second time, a little less so, but still some haymakers were thrown. Third time around, let's see.

Let's see what happens. So he's what 19 days away. He'll be joining us in studio at three o'clock. Grab the popcorn, strap on your seatbelt, do what you need to do. It should be interesting. It always is when he stops by. 2.30 will be joined by the great Yeri Prochaska. You may have seen him pop up in the news on Saturday night in the aftermath of UFC 313, the former UFC light heavyweight champion. We will talk to him about what transpired on Saturday night in Las Vegas and where he goes from here. Always great to talk to the one and only Yuri Prokhaska, the pride of the Czech Republic.

And at 2 o'clock, Mauricio Rufi, who had the knockout of the night, who had one of the performances of the night Republic and at two o'clock Mauricio Rufi who had the knockout of the night who had one of the performances of the night no doubt and I feel very confident in saying will be one of the finalists if not the winner of our KO of the Year award in January of 2026 because his knockout of Bobby Green is one of the all-time best in the history of the UFC. Shades of Edson Barbosa back at UFC 142 against Terry Edam in January of 2012, 13 years ago. And I love the fact that we posted it on our Uncrowned Instagram page, and the top comment was Edson Barbosa commenting on it with, I think, a fire emoji or something like that.

I mean, that's just amazing. Barbosa's still kicking it, still in the UFC, still a player and here's another member of the Fighting Nerd squad picking up a win. They're on fire right now from from Kaio Bohaglio to Mauricio Rufi to Gian Silva to Carlos Pratches. Silva and Pratches were in fine form at the press conference on Friday for 314. Gian Silva stole the show if you ask me. Bryce Mitchell did a great job as well. We'll get into that as well. They had that press conference before the official weigh-ins, the ceremonial weigh-ins on Friday afternoon. So much going on and especially in the aftermath

of 313 and especially in the aftermath of the TKO boxing news and all the other craziness in the sport of mixed martial arts. By now you know that there is a new UFC light heavyweight champion. By now you know his name is Magomed Ankaleev or as the kids are calling him these days Big Ank. I didn't know that, I didn't catch that memo but it happened. It is a thing and they're running with it and I don't hate it. Maybe it's like when the kids call me unc, I don't know. But it's something and it's something to grab onto. Now, he beat Alex Pereira on Saturday.

This is a fight that really the UFC did not want to make. They did everything in their power not to make it, but at one point it became inevitable. He had to fight. This is the way sport goes. This is the way a proper fighting league quote-unquote should conduct itself and the guy who had the longest winning streak, the guy who had beaten all the people put in front of him except for that one draw against Jan Bokovic, that guy needed to fight for the belt. And we said last week that this felt like the last big test for Alex Pereira before he really cashes in and

does he cash in against the likes of John Jones who was campaigning to fight him back in November does he cash in against the likes of Tom Aspinall does he cash in against the likes of Oleksandr Usyk does he cash in based simply on the premise that he could become the first three-way world champion in UFC history 85 205 and 265 it felt like if he gets by this test which a lot of people thought would be his toughest against the guy who has a skill set that a lot of people think would be his kryptonite the wrestling the grappling and maybe not the most popular fighter in the UFC but a very

talented and durable fighter if he got by test, a massive pot of gold awaits him. And he was the underdog going into the fight. And we also talked about the UFC having a star problem and how it would be a disaster, a nightmare for them. To a degree, if they're big dog, they're honestly right now, as far as active fighters are concerned, their most popular fighter loses against a not so popular fighter. I was trying to think of a comparison. RDA Anthony Pettis I'm not quite sure. Juliana Amanda Nunes no. Matt Serra GSP maybe to a degree but I don't know if there's ever been this big of a gap between the new champion and the old

champion in terms of popularity. Now this isn't just a popularity contest. This isn't you know this isn't WWE. You have to put on the fights. May the best man win and and as I said last week I believe to Are, the UFC is not waking up on this Monday saying the sky is falling. However I will say in a negotiation year with the likes of ESPN and and let's not even get into the disaster that was ESPN plus on Saturday. And now they're just playing UFC 313 for everyone for free. I'm sure that doesn't help the, you know, the pockets at all, but it was an absolute

disaster. I can't watch ESPN plus on my phone for more than two minutes without it crashing. I tried to rewatch the main event this morning and I got through it, but I swear to God, it was two to two and a it crashing. I tried to re-watch the main event this morning and I got through it but I swear to God it was two to two and a half minutes and then I would have to restart it, go to the point. It's an absolute nightmare of an app. It's a disaster and Saturday the shit hit the fan because no one could buy the pay-per-view and they probably lost a lot of money. Now I heard a lot of people say that the UFC was going to be mad

about this. The UFC has those pay-per-views bought and paid for ESPN lost money not the UFC ESPN lost money but still you want those numbers to be high you're in a negotiation year and you want to have champions like Alex Pereira leading the way you want to have those big dogs you want to have those big fights on the horizon that you can sell people on the prospect of it it's one of the reasons why I think Jones Aspinall actually happens this year as opposed to if it was trying to get done two years ago or and Ghanou Jones trying to get done two years ago because they have to make these fights happen right now in this little

period where they're trying to sell, you know, a multi-billion dollar deal to a provider or two. And so the sky isn't falling, but you know, life is a little better when you have Alex Pereira as champion. In the end, Magomed Ankhalyev is your, is your champion. And we were debating after the show, myself, Rick GC, you know, what will Perera do?

Well, he has confirmed in the aftermath that he wants to run it back and Dana White himself said he wants to run it back. We can, we can debate whether this was good or bad for John Jones and Tom Aspinal. We will get into all of that in a moment, but I say all of this White himself said he wants to run it back. We can we can debate whether this was good or bad for John Jones and Tom Aspinal. We will get into all that in a moment, but I say all of this because I need to offer an apology. I need to offer a two-pronged apology. As I just mentioned, I watched the fight. On Saturday

in the you know the very bleary-eyed hour of 1-115 a.m. when we're doing the post-show, I said that I thought Alex Pera won the fight three rounds to two, 48-47. I said that I scored round one, three and five for Alex Pera, two and four for Magomed Al-ve and I felt like one through four were quite easy to score. Excuse me, one, two, four and five were easy to score. Three was the swing round, three was the toughest round. I watched the fight again this morning. I made a mistake. Magomed Uncle Ive, in my opinion, won that third round.

And so with that, in my opinion, he's the rightful winner. Now, my opinion doesn't really matter, but I did say on the post fight show that I thought it was 135 for Pereira. I rewatched it. I thought Ankalayev was way more aggressive, landed the bigger shots. It wasn't the most entertaining fight of all time. It was a lot of light kicking and a lot of ones and twos. That was pretty much it. It felt like Alex Pereira never really quite got going. And that was probably because of the, the presence of Ankalayev and the threat of the takedown, although he was 0 for 12, I do believe, with takedowns, so we have to give Alex Pereira a ton of credit.

Uh, his takedown defense was phenomenal, but he never really quite going. He was never his usual aggressive self. There were moments, uh, the biggest shot was landed at the end of the second round when Ankalayev landed the big shot and it looked like Pereira got rocked and it looked like he kind of got saved by the bell for being 100% honest. And maybe if he's fighting a true knockout artist in that moment, maybe it's lights out.

Maybe it's good night in that moment. He was always on the back foot. It always felt like he was retreating and it just never quite felt like he could get going for whatever reason. Who knows? There could be a million of different reasons given in the end. He never quite got going and I don't feel as though he won the fight. Upon watching

it again, I don't feel like he won the fight. I think Ankaliyev won 1-3 and 5. The other apology has to be, I think in retrospect on Saturday in the the post-show, I think we focused too much on Pereira. Pereira losing is the big story, but we do have to give Magomed on Kalei of his flowers. He went in there against one of the most feared strikers in recent UFC history, against one of the best fighters in recent UFC history, and he was able, for the most part, to exact his game plan and win the fight. Now, did it all work? No. He got stuffed 12 times. So it wasn't a perfect showing. It wasn't an A+. But he did the job. He got it done and he's the champ. Fair and square.

And so I do think that we need to acknowledge that. Now, the UFC is going to try to right this wrong. Make no mistake about it. And I think Pereira comes back better. I think he comes back stronger. I think he comes back fighting smarter. And I think he realizes what me worry. I don't need to worry about these take downs. I stuffed all of them. I just need to be me. I've been in there against some of the very best strikers. And I just need to enforce my game plan. I need to be the aggressive one on the front foot. And so we'll see how it all plays out.

But ultimately, they're going to run this back. And the big winner, in addition to Magomed Onkalaev, two degree is Tom Aspinall because now the threat of Alex Prair against John Jones isn't there. I never thought it was a serious threat, but it's completely off the table because John can't say to the UFC, I want to fight Prair Prair isn't the light heavyweight champion and he's coming off a loss and it wasn't the greatest performance. And now the bigger fight is in my opinion Jones versus Aspinall.

That's the bigger fight and so with that threat not being there that's better for Tom Aspinall. Now on the flip side of things you could say well the UFC can't use Alex's leverage in the negotiations between John and Tom and there really aren't negotiations left for Tom. Tom is in, John is the sticking point and his number is the sticking point. Um, would people be okay with an Alex versus Tom fight? I think absolutely. It's, it's, it's, it's a bigger fight than a Aspen all versus gun. It's a bigger fight than an Aspen all versus Jalton Almeida, but it doesn't quite have the same type of juice there. So you can't really use it to the same degree as you were hoping to use it

as a plan B if Jones versus Aspenol couldn't get done. I think it gets done if only because I think they need for it to get done. They need that big fight this summer, this fall. There has been some talk of August here in the Northeast, but I think it could get pushed if they don't get it done, you know, in the next, I don't know, month or so. I think we'll get some clarity sooner rather than later but now it's all very clear my opinion you do uncle I versus prayer to this breeds a little bit of life into the light heavyweight division

you run it back you've got you've got Jamal Hill and Khalil Rowntree fighting in a month and a half. You certainly have Yuri Prokhaska out there as a still very popular and worthy contender. And you do everything in your power to make Jones versus Aspinall happen. So there's a lot in the aftermath. There's a lot to break down. I'll bring in the guys in a second, but I do need to apologize off the bat. I scored it wrong. Third round to Ankalayev and overall a pretty easy fight to score. Pereira wins the first. Ankalayev clearly wins the second after rocking him in the second round. Third to Ankalayev, fourth to Ankalayev and fifth to Pereira and as you can see Mike Bell had that

Derek Cleary had that Sal Diamato gave the fifth to Ankalive which I very much disagree with he had the 49 to 46 overall I give the pay-per-view I don't know a six six and a half six six point two out of ten Mauricio Rufi's knockout was incredible the prelims were alright nothing to really write home about Ignacio Bahamundes had a great submission over Jalen Turner and Jalen Turner somewhat shockingly in the aftermath retires didn't expect that he's just 29 years young and just a couple years ago was considered one of the bright young stars in that division and Gaichi Fiziev went toe to toe. These guys are magic. They're an incredible

combination and I'm sticking to that one. I think the judges got that one wrong. I think the judges got that one wrong. I think Fiziev won the third round. It was 1-1 going into the third. the third round. It was 1-1 going into the third. As you can see everyone agrees and I think I think that Fiziev was way more dominant in the first half of the third round. Everyone agrees on that with the the body kicks and the the punches to the body than Gaetji was. I think he finished strong but I think if you look at the damage inflicted in the first half of that third round I thought it was a lot more significant for Rafael Faziv. In the end Gaius gets the win. In the aftermath he says he doesn't want to fight Dustin Poirier. Benio Daru is telling Submission Radio he's hearing it's Poirier versus Holloway.

I'm starting to hear a similar tune perhaps this summer. So let's see where Gaije goes. Mauricio Ruffi, by the way, saying he wants to fight Benio Darius in a main event fight later on this year. Uh, don't hate that one, but that's as far as the, uh, the big stories are concerned. The UFC 313 story.

Uh, let's bring in the boys and let's react to all of this. Let's start with Pizzi because we didn't hear from him on Saturday night. Uh, he was fast, fast asleep. Did you even watch the pay-per-view because there were some accusations that you were sleeping this. Let's start with Pizzi because we didn't hear from him on Saturday night. He was fast, fast asleep. Did you even watch the pay-per-view because there were some accusations that you were sleeping before the show even started. I saw, Oh, it's actually this all news to me as you were telling me here and like,

whoa, we lost. This is crazy. Yeah. Just give me a second to process this. Um, but yeah, I did, uh, of course watch them as I do every single pay-per-view for the last 15 years. But I have to say, I think it's very big, the fact that this option has been taken off the table for John Jones. I think that was something that the Aspinal Camp were very concerned about for a very long time. So I think that has pretty much opened the gate for that to be the only option for Jones at this point, which it always should have been. And yeah, I think around UFC London, there's going to be some conversations had and hopefully we will here, as you say,

in the next month we hear some positive news about that. I think it's the best thing that could have happened for this matchup that we all agreed was the most anticipated fight of 2025. P.C., how'd you score the main event? I scored it Frank Goliath, 2-3-4, 1-5 Pereira. I wasn't confident about the third round. I think everybody was the same. I think as we went away from the third round, when you're even scoring the fourth and fifth, you're like, it's all coming down to round three.

I can understand people having it for Pereira, but I don't understand as people calling it a robbery. A fight that close cannot be a robbery no matter what the outcome is. You mentioned at the top that, you know, I think you think Pereira comes away with this and says, well look, I was in there, I stuffed all the takedowns. I think the same goes for Ankerloef. He stood in there for 25 minutes with the most dangerous striker in the UFC. He came out with his hand raised.

That's going to be a huge confidence boost for him ahead of a rematch, I think. Okay. So we never said robbery. I like it's, it's interesting because we said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but you say that word and it reminds me of some of the, uh, the reaction that I saw to the post show just because in the immediate aftermath, we say we, we disagree. It doesn't mean that it's a robbery.

A robbery is very different than, hey, it came down to one round. Now I have since, you know, corrected my record and rewatched it, but I do believe GC and Rick, when we spoke on Saturday, did we all think that Pereira won? 135, Pereira, have not watched it again. I tend to not go back and watch a lot of these because as you said, like I didn't think it was a robbery. I thought very reasonably somebody could score the third round for Magomed and so I'm comfortable moving on in the new world where Magomed has won

and he won round three. Pretty, pretty simple. Like there was no part of me that was like, I'm dying on this hill. Alex Pereira won round three. No, I was pretty sure that it was very close. And if the majority of people had Magomed winning, totally comfortable moving on with that. I just wanted to know, you know. Well, not only that a thousand percent, but also once they started reading the

judges scorecards, I mean, maybe this was a signal that I actually internally scored it for Magomed on Coli. Once they said 49-46, I was like, oh, that's that's on Coli for sure. I mean, the two and the four to me were the clearest victorious rounds and both those went to Magomed Onkaliyev. So to get one, three or five, you had to suspect that was gonna happen. I know one and five were for Pereira. They were still close rounds.

It wasn't like incredibly decisive for him. Then three, the toss up round obviously went to Onkaliyev as well. That's a great point. Pereira had no definitive rounds, right? Any round Pereira won, he just narrowly edged it. Two and four were definitively Magomed and that tells the story of the fight.

No issue. Thought Pereira won one three five. If I watched it again, I'm sure I could be swayed on round three. Rightful champion. Did you watch the entire fight, Helwany Beck? No, I didn't feel, well. I kind of did like a little fast forward thing. Without the anticipation of like a potential bomb

getting landed or like a massive moment, it really was like, it was a fairly boring fight. I mean, Herrera, like just watching it back, it's just like the inactivity. Something off, yeah. Just like not going to the head at all. I think he landed like 12 head strikes the entire fight. Like he really just rolled with with the calf kicks

It was a it was a perplexing performance But honestly like you were saying in the beginning Maga man uncle live to get it done landing zero takedowns truly is incredible And maybe it was the threat of the takedown that made per era tentative, but it really was a great performance There's a period in the middle of the third round where it's just like, calf kick punch, calf kick punch. It was so, and the crowd starts booing, which is very rare for a Pereira fight. It was just so like anticlimactic, right? And I don't think that we all thought that it would be a firefight, explosive action between the two of them,

because Ankalav just isn't that type of fighter. But to me, the story was obviously Pereira loses, he stuffs the takedowns and he like that's why when I say I wanted to apologize to Uncle Iev because we didn't focus enough on him. It's everything that Praher didn't do which really is the story because it just didn't seem like himself. Now it's one of those classic things like was that because of Uncle Iev or was that because of you know the stuff that DC was talking about before he's traveling too much he's not taking it seriously who the

hell knows Dana was asked about it in the post-fire press conference as well and you know this stuff is always going to come up when there's you know a bit of a as you say perplexing performance but it was very it's very fair to say Alex prior did not look like himself now you can point to the threat of the takedown you can point to the things outside the cage that's all fine and well and I'm sure that some of that is a factor right there there might be some did not look like himself. Now you can point to the threat of the takedown, you can point to the things outside the cage. That's all fine and well, and I'm sure that some of that is a factor, right? There might be some portion of that that's a factor.

First of all, Alex will never be the one to say that, right? Alex doesn't seem like the type to make excuses. He just wants to get back in there and fight. But there were clear moments where Alex Pereira was not on the back foot, where it was not the threat of the takedown that was harming him, and he just did not throw his hands. Clearly something was bothering him in some regard, and it was not in the back foot, where it was not the threat of the take down that was harming him, and he just did not throw his hands. Clearly something was bothering him in some regard,

and it was not the performance we'd expect from Alex Pereira. Because when an opponent is standing there trading with him, or being willing to stand at range with him, he often gets the better of those exchanges, and he just did not. And I will credit Magomed for portions of that, but when it's a relatively low inaction, a relatively low in action and Magomed is not pressing forward and not threatening to take down.

And he's kind of just standing there. That's the moment where you expect Alex to throw his hands. He barely threw the left hook that has made him notorious. It's just, it was a, it was a baffling performance, but a good game plan. If I told you heading into the fight that, uh,

Alex Pereira had stuffed all of Magomed's take downs, you'd wonder what round Magomed got knocked out in. You'd say, was it the second round? When did he get knocked out? And so there is something like, yes, we should certainly celebrate Magomed's performance, but it is not unnatural to want to wonder what happened to Alex Pereira in that performance. I will say like, you know, the takedowns itself, right? Like, and it's a great point. I completely agree with Rick. Like if you had a hair that start, you would have the takedowns itself, right? Like, and it's a great point. Um, I completely agree with Rick, like if you had a hair, that's that you would have a hundred percent thought the prayer has his hand raised, but you have to also factor in the physical toll that the Fendon takedowns takes on a fighter, you know, like even

though he is successfully defending a takedown, he is physically exerting himself in a way that, you know, is very difficult for a guy who's striked his whole life. No matter, even though he accomplished what he set out to do by defending the takedown, he'd still a lot of physical exertion. So maybe his arms are wearing, maybe that's why we don't see a lot of that. And to the point about Pereira's traveling, I just feel like we have to play devil's advocate from Ankerloya's point of view as well. This fight is booked during a very difficult time for a Muslim fighter to be preparing. And I know he didn't fast. He said that as much in the, in the, in the fight week, but everyone around this guy is, is probably, um, is probably, I don't know what the verb to use.

Yeah. But they're all observing Ramadan is what I was looking to try and say. So everybody around him is doing this. Everyone's depleted as Rick just said, like, you know, he will have a very different camp the second time around against Pereira, I believe. So let me ask you this, PT. We were debating what Pereira should do since the post show.

We heard from Dana and we heard from Pereira. Dana said, yeah, it seems like the rematch makes sense. And Pereira was quite definitive. He posted a video. He was in his hotel room with his family saying that, you know what, I'm gonna get back in there. In fact, we have the video, so why don't I just play it and I'm coming back soon, as I always do. This has happened to me a few times, but I'm fine. I thank you all for your support, all the affection, always supporting me. I'm receiving a lot of messages too, of great incentive.

I'm here with the guys, my family, my team, my children, everyone here. Everyone eating here We ordered some pizza and that's it Life goes on, thank you everyone, thank you my team And that's it guys, do this rematch and adjust some things I'll be much better. You can expect that. Okay, guys? And that's it.

Never give up on your dreams. Call it. So great perspective there from Alex Pereira in the immediate aftermath. In the cage, he seemed to imply like, hey, you know, he was kind of just stalling and I was hitting him when he was holding me up against the cage.

So a bit of shade and, uh, uncle Laiver, whoever runs his Twitter account was then throwing the shade back. Who the hell knows? Do you think that's the right move for him? If, if, if you're the UFC and team Pereira, do you run this back or do you use this as the opportunity to say the hell with 205 let's, let's

go make history in the heavyweight division because this is our chance we're getting up there in age and no one's done it no one's won a belt in three different weight classes. Yeah well my position on this is again all the points we've just made about both our camps how they go differently he will take the sheen right off a move to heavyweight if he challenges Ankerloef and loses again. Like, it's still going to be big, don't get me wrong, he's a massive cult icon, but right now I think is the biggest splash for him to go to heavyweight, unless of course he goes down, beats Ankerloef and then it's all

happy days, goes up whenever he wants. I just feel as though it would be foolish of him to jump straight into making this fight, right? Like, knowing that the Jones part of this is not resolved yet. We think that in the next month we'll know how close we are to resolving this issue, hopefully. All the fan base hopes that as well. But I think he should have all the cards laid out in front of him. Because I don't, I am not 100% certain, I know Dana White is very confident, he said

that again to Mike Bond at the post fight press conference, that he will make this fight happen. He seems to be the most confident guy about making that happen but I would wait until it is all set out for him to make the move one way or the other. The fear for me is he takes the 205 fight and he loses the ankle oil from the sheen of him going to heavyweight is diminished considerably. I think that there is a strong argument to say use this as the out, go up to heavyweight, maybe you don't get the first crack at the belt, but you win one fight like you did against

Jan Bokovic and now you get the winner. Because let's be honest, Aspinall Jones, let's say Aspinall wins, let's say Jones wins. There isn't a natural guy kind of waiting in the wings there. If Jones wins, like, is there a big demand for a surreal gun rematch? Not really.

If Aspinall wins, yeah, maybe the surreal gun fight, but the prior fight is still bigger, even if he is coming off a loss and maybe just one fight at heavyweight or no fights at heavyweight. Um, so there's a very strong case to be made. I think the UFC will want him to run it back, but that's a fight that he could lose and now all of a sudden you're staring at 0-2 against Magomed Onkhalayev in the final chapter of your career and your stock takes a major hit.

I think he will go back. I think the competitor in him will say, nah, screw this, I need to right the wrong and then I'll consider moving up. But I can understand, like, you know, Rick and I were arguing on Saturday, I can understand if someone says, use this as the opportunity to leave, you're not holding up the division,

you don't have to vacate the title, they can't use that against you. Even take a non-title fight and then go up and fight heavyweight, I just don't think it plays out that way. And I think for the UFC, a light heavyweight division with Pereira in it, in a title fight as opposed to a Magomed reign against contender XYZ is for now better than him going up to heavyweight. And even fighting a non, you know, a Volkov type of guy, a Pavlovich type of guy and then going up.

And so I think he sticks around. If I were to read the tea leaves, I think he sticks around. I think he tries to right the wrong. It will be curious to see how quickly he comes back. You know, I don't think we talk about enough the activity over the last couple of years, the three fights in six months, coming back after that Killill-Rountree fight relatively quickly after all the issues that he talked about afterwards. That's going to catch up to you.

Again, not saying that he talked about afterwards, that's going to catch up to you. Again, not saying that that's the reason, but there could be a cumulative amount of reasons as to, you know, why he looked the way in which he did on, on Saturday. I think he takes a minute, he regroups, he writes the wrong.

If he wins, then he considers a final run at heavyweight. Yeah, I honestly from what team Pereira is saying it feels like they have no intentions to go up to heavyweight. He didn't mention in the post fight interview then he gets on the video he talks about how he'll come back better for the rematch. His coach Plinio Cruz makes a post on Instagram where he's saying we'll be back we'll be better for the rematch it feels like they don't have any plans on going up to heavyweight and they plan on getting the belt back.

Rick, you're, you're, you're feeling same? Exactly the same. No, but you, you were, you were, you were campaigning for him to move up to heavyweight, right? A hundred percent feel no different. This, this feels like a, uh, You feel that way, but you think that happens?

No. Do I think it happens? I don't think right now sitting here today that Alex Pereira or the UFC want that to happen. But what I do know is their plans are subject to the whims of how John Jones next career step plays out, how Tom Aspinall's next career step plays out, how the next fight card that they need a pay-per-view headliner plays out and all of a sudden you're calling up Alex Pereira to do it. These things are too fluid for me to think that it couldn't change. I think sitting here right now,

it seems like it's leaning that direction. I think that's a pretty big error. Like, to Pizzi's point, why take that risk? Because if you go in there and you lose to Magomed again, now you are diminished. I don't think he's diminished sitting here because I think it was a close enough fight that many people go, eh, he could have won that one. And there's probably some people sitting out there and thinking, if he just did XYZ thing differently in round three, he does win. And so you capitalize on the fact that you have this easy out to get out of that division. You don't have to run back a fight with Magomed and Goliath. And now you can move up to heavyweight where you could potentially have some success being the faster and more powerful fighter against a lot of these slower heavyweights.

I think that's the way to go. And also the point I keep kind of making and coming back to is, what is to gain by beating Magomed? I don't see much there. I don't think Alex Perera becomes a much bigger name star, whatever, by beating Magomed in a rematch. It does not, it advances him to exactly this same point

where you go, okay, now I've beaten everybody. I've beaten Magomed, okay, now on to heavyweight. There isn't another contender lined up after this. If I thought after Magomed there was something else to do at light heavyweight, I could be more convinced. There is nothing left at light heavyweight. If you beat Magomed, you're right in this exact same spot that you are today where the run at heavyweight is next. Yeah, and I guess that the shine is lost, but do you lose any shine if If you go up to heavyweight, say you fight a Tom Aspinall or John Jones and you get smoked and it feels like you can't really hang it every day. That was the dice roll. That was the one that you've been angling.

Then where do you go from there? Just pack down a light heavy? I don't, I don't. 38. Call it a day. I mean, I don't think he has any plans of doing that. You say fun fights. How many fun fights are there at heavyweight?

Oh, tons. I'll push back on one note. I'll push back on one note. I'll push back on one note for, let's give him Shamil Gassia. Let's give them a Alexander Volkov. Like, are these really that fun of fights? I think it's just the idea of him fighting a heavyweight. Once I get, if, if, if he goes back in there and knocks out Magomed on Koliyev, everyone will love them.

I do think there's something to be, you know, I think the stock has gone down a little bit after that performance. I think a lot of people are down on him right now. So they still will back him. They'll still want to see him prevail. I think a lot of people want to see him knockout on Kaleiw. It got a little bit heated. It got a little personal in the buildup to this fight.

You saw that stare down on Thursday. So I think there'll be a huge pop. If he went in there and did that to a heavyweight, the people would be just as happy. I think the stakes will be a little bit different. I think a win over Magomed on Kaleiw, I think there'll be a huge pop. If he went in there and did that to a heavyweight, the people would be just as happy. I think the stakes will be a little bit different. I think a win over Magomed Ankaleyev, a knockout win, and the same knockout over a non-champion

heavyweight, the Ankaleyev fight is a bigger pop. Forgetting what happened at middleweight. Like the Izzy loss, yeah, oh man, Alex couldn't get it. If he goes in there and knocks out a heavyweight and now you're sitting, let's say it's not John Jones or Tom Aspinall. He goes in there and knocks out, call it Pavlovich, call whoever you want. The, the, the amount of excitement for a potential build to the fight, John or

Tom or both would be so much higher than any gain he could get from knocking out. Okay. So let me ask you this. Do we all agree that he is one win away from being in the, the, the Jones Aspenall conversation? 1000%. Right. And so.

You're saying he couldn't jump into it now? Yes. So. So I think circumstances would have to play very favorable, very favorably. He would need help. But I think he could get it. Again, as I always say, Alex Gustafson got a, got

a title shot off a knockout loss. So they could do whatever they want. They could do whatever they want. But the point is he's, he doesn't have the chip and John Jones doesn't have the chip that he once had a few months ago when he was sitting in New York City saying like, give me Alex. Right. And so my point is if he has to fight one fight

before getting there, if he has to beat one guy before. Becoming that, you know, a plus draw again and getting there. To me, a light heavyweight title win over Ankalive and then getting rid of the belt is worth a lot more than a win over one of these, you know. Disagree. Random heavyweights. The excitement around Alex Pereira as now a heavyweight

would be much more. And we still don't know if Jones and Aspinall is going to fight. No, no, I'm saying if Jones and Aspinall are fighting and we're trying to decide what gets Pereira the most juice to fight the winner of that fight, by the way, Dana White has not once even said that he is remotely interested

in that fight. He always shoots it down just for the record, but let's just say he changed his mind and it's all part of, you know, some sort of public negotiation. I think getting that belt back and now, and now, you know, sticking it to the guy who just beat him in this frustrating fight does a lot more for his star power and his drawing

power than a win over a random heavyweight. Pick a name. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree because I think the excitement around Alex getting a third belt and taking one step closer to that, as opposed to just being exactly where you were today, Monday, after the first fight with Ankolyev is more than just, that fight didn't tell me that he can't beat Ankolyev.

I'm pretty sure he can. Like that, like that didn't, that wasn't in question for me. I don't, I don't think I walked away from that fight going, there's no world where Alex, Alex Perra beats Magomed and Ankolyev. If they run it back, yeah, sure. He could win.

That's fine. It won't do much for him as opposed to the climb toward a potential heavyweight title. You know what people did walk away with? At least I saw some people saying it like, oh, John Jones would have a. Smoke them? Yeah.

That's why that's more exciting. Well, remember we got odds last year. They don't have them up right now, but it was, uh, this is from July 29th of last year. John Jones minus 600 versus Alex Pereira. Tom Aspinall minus 400 versus Alex Pereira. I guess the only thing that gives me pause about going to heavyweight, especially if you're gonna fight

like a Serogon or a Jelton Almeida or something like that. And I can imagine we know what Jelton Almeida's plan would be if he went against him. I'm just saying. Please do not make a Jelton Almeida. Please, I beg of you if it happens. I'm just saying, say he goes up to heavyweight and then he gets rag dolled by Jelton Almeida. Please, I beg you if it happens. I agree with you, I agree with you. I'm just saying, say he goes up to heavyweight and then he gets rag dolled by Jelton Almeida

for three rounds and he ends up losing that fight. Like the allure of him going to 205 was now we can view it in hindsight. He ends up going in, beating Jan, becoming champion. He goes on this incredible run at 205. I just don't know what happens if he goes up to heavyweight, fights the Serogon, the Jelton Almeida, whoever it may be, and then he loses that fight.

Then I'm really questioning where he goes from there. But that fight was going to happen on the back of the, this fight anyway. Let's say you go back, you beat Magomed and Kaliyev, then you're, you're in the same spot. Then you go and you potentially fail at heavyweight. It's just delaying this by one fight that I feel is unnecessary. Let Magomed start his title reign.

He's good. Like this is fine. He starts his title reign. He, all those new, those contenders that were previously held back by losses to Alex Pereira now get an opportunity to rise up these ranks. And Alex moves up. Feel the justice strong about it.

Could he still not just go up if he, if he loses the Magomed again as well. You, you lose that. Now you do lose some juice. Cause if you, if you have two losses now at light heavyweight, that looks bad. That's going to if you have two losses now at light heavyweight, that looks bad. That's gonna look bad.

It's hard to justify. PT, go ahead. You've actually done a great job explaining this as you were running through what he's done at 205. But I wanted to ask you guys, like he feels more important to 205 now than Jones was towards the end of his ascent. Sorry, towards the end of his title run.

I know that he was very disjointed with several issues breaking up his title runs, but that's the way the UFC are going to push him. You heard the way Dana White said it at the press conference, he's fairly adamant it's a rematch. Maybe that's a part of it that we aren't quite thinking about at the moment. I know when Jones left, we were in the same situation where we're like, oh, who's going to be the guy in this division, et cetera. But maybe that's the way the UFC are looking at it. At least for now, they have a fighter heavyweight that the world wants to see. At least with Pereira at 205, they still have the most captivating guy in the business in that division.

Yeah, that makes sense. You bide your time with it. You let Alex excite light heavyweight. But if he loses again, now what? Now you're in the same spot. Yeah, I makes sense. You bide your time with it. You let Alex excite light heavyweight. But if he loses again, now what? Now you're in the same spot. Yeah, I agree with John. Let me ask you guys this. What about this idea that the UFC just lost its biggest star? Is this being, I saw people debating it. We've certainly talked about it.

Some people point to the gate. The gate was phenomenal. It was a $10 million gate, 18,000 people. I see some people throwing out, you know, and people call me about this if I'm being 100% honest and say like, oh, they're buying their own tickets and then they're reselling them and they're, you know, who the hell knows?

All we know is that they're selling a lot of tickets and business seems to be doing well. It seems to be booming. Is this an issue that we're making, you know, out to be a bigger deal than it is, or is it now? Like I was talking about this last week when Alex Pereira was the champion, he's no longer the champion and there's no guarantee he ever

gets that belt back, right? There's no guarantee of that. No. And so do you think they care? I feel like they're about to go into a serious platform negotiation. Now the exclusivity period with ESPN ends mid-April, April 15th. If you think that they haven't tested the waters and talked to people informally, come on, let's be honest.

But even not, that's in a month from now. It's in 36 days from now. And so a world where you look right now at the crop of champions and the crop of stars and a not very active Conor McGregor and not many faces, if you will, does it hurt you or, or does anyone who sits down with Dana, Ari Emanuel, these people say the UFC is on fire. We don't care. Like ultimately, are we making this out to be too

big of a deal? And is this another knock on that argument or do you think they're just waking up being like, yeah, whatever business as usual, no big deal. What do you guys think? you think they're just waking up being like, yeah, whatever, business as usual, no big deal? What do you guys think? I think they have had to settle into a world where we can't fix these outcomes.

Sorry, let me not use that word. I do not mean the word fix. We cannot guide these outcomes, right? We have to put the fighters in there and they have to deliver the results and Alex Pereira did not deliver that result, right? We have made it clear that we thought that the UFC would prefer an Alex Pereira did not deliver that result, right? We have made it clear that we thought that the UFC would prefer an Alex Pereira win because he will be,

he is a big star. He is easier to promote than Magomed. Ultimately, they cannot, right? Marabdavaleshvili beat Sean O'Malley and you have to figure out a way to promote him. Their schedule is too aggressive. The fights are too volatile. Everybody is too good at this level,

at this point in time, that you cannot try to guide this anymore. You have to just kind of live with the results. And so what you have to do is you have to be the fights are too volatile, everybody is too good at this level at this point in time, that you cannot try to guide this anymore. You have to just kind of live with the results. And so what you have to do is you have to create optimal opportunities for yourself where no matter who wins, the outcome is what you want. That is how you win this game, is if you continue

to create challengers and contenders and champions, that no matter who wins the fight, you are ultimately getting somebody out of it that you can capitalize on, that is how you want. Yes. More often than not, you want to be in that situation, but then you're sometimes faced with these situations where you don't want to give a guy a title shot. You make him fight through the wringer and, and, and look, it happened with Marab.

He wins. It happened with a Bilal. He won. It happened with uncle live. It seems like when they happened with Leon Edwards, for goodness sakes, it seems like when they tried to delay the inevitable with these guys, these guys always seem to win.

Ultimately, the brand is still on fire. All these things and more. I will say this one thing, a very interesting soundbite from Dana White happened on Saturday in the post fight press conference that no one picked up on. And it's something that we have talked about ad nauseam on this show. Rick has talked about it. We've all talked about it and no one picked up on, and it's something that we have talked about ad nauseum on this show, Rick has talked about it, we've all talked about it, and no one picked up on it. And it was supremely interesting to hear him talk about this, about how championship fights

are made. A few days after talking about TKO boxing and how the model is proven, you have a group of fighters, they'll fight each other, they'll be a top five, and then there's no denying who the top contender is and who the man is. That's what he said in all these interviews that he did last week. But on Saturday, you may have missed it. It's a 14 second clip, but it was the first time that I could tell. And you know, obviously we consume the vast majority of the content, not all the interviews, but you know, the press conferences and whatnot, the significant stuff, where he admitted to the fact that it's not necessarily who the top contender is, it has to do with things like where the fight is taking place, who's popular, who's available, who's not, all these things and more, which you know aren't necessarily what makes up a meritocracy.

This was to me one of the first times if not the first time that he actually admitted That there's a lot more that goes into these title fights And it ain't always the number one guy who gets that shot in case you missed it take a listen to this You were talking about Tom and John Tom Released that video blog a few days ago on the train where he was saying like John side is holding up the fight What is he referring to there? Well, I think that, uh, listen, John Jones definitely wants to fight just when and where is,

is what we're working on now. Do you feel a confidence? I think you said John, I'm very summer on first day. Okay. So that's not the right clip. That's not the right clip. We, there's, there should be another clip. This is him talking about John and Tom. There should be another clip where he talks about from... Do we have that? Do we have the other clip? It's... Okay, it's the one where he talks about... It's 12071229. If you guys can just double check that. I sent it earlier today.

It's, I think a very telling clip about how the UFC is matchmaking and how they're making these decisions. And, you know, it's like Jack Dell is getting a title shot. Was he the number one contender? No, he was booked to fight Leon Edwards. Now, someone got injured. You have to keep Leon on that card in London. You have to, you know, figure out like Jack Delah is getting a title shot. Was he the number one contender? No, he was booked to fight Leon Edwards. Now someone got injured,

you have to keep Leon on that card in London. You have to, you know, figure out who's a proper replacement. Does it make more sense to give the replacement the title fight? Does it make more sense to move Jack Delah? So to even try and figure this stuff out, isn't as easy as who's the number one guy and who's gonna, you know, move up

and who's gonna be next in line. It ain't like the old days. There's a lot more that goes into it. There's a lot more at play. And to that point, this is why when I'm saying, come USC 318, if all of a sudden that John Jones and Tom Aspinall fight is creeping up and it's not happening and Alex Pereira gets a call to fight

Tom Aspinall, who cares what they were planning to do right here on this Monday? Who cares if it was. Agree. Yeah. I want to fight a rematch with Magomed and Koliyev. If that call comes, I promise you that Alex Perera has taken that fight.

And so we have, it's like whatever they want to do right now is, is almost irrelevant because we have so many months before, uh, Magomed and Alex are potentially getting back in there. The landscape is going to be completely different and the UFC needs in terms of what they need to have in the game. almost irrelevant because we have so many months before Magomed and Alex are potentially getting back in there. The landscape is going to be completely different and the UFC's needs in terms of what they need to headline pay-per-views is going to be so completely different. It's just a talent acquisition situation.

I know, to your point, the question you asked us, is this going to affect the UFC? I don't think so immediately. I don't think it's going to have a big, there's not going to be a big issue with this when they sit down with whatever broadcast and company they're going to go with for the foreseeable future. I do think though it will eventually pop up the lack of stars and go back and listen to us talking when Cedric Doumbay signed for the PFL, when Paul Hughes signed for the PFL. We talked about Dakota DeChaver, how everybody wants to see her in the UFC now. These are people at the UFC we're aware of. They were made aware of these people and obviously they don't know that they're going to go on to

be massive stars like they have been for PFL and who knows, maybe they can't build these guys the way the PFL did because they're dealing with a smaller, more new roster compared to them. They can put them exactly where they need to. But things like this need to be addressed. I noticed that for emerging talent in MMA, a lot is left up to what promotions they go through, what managers are there. Talent acquisition needs to be honed in a bit, I think, as far as the UFC is concerned. It should be more like other sports where you have guys looking at different areas and picking out great talent. It shouldn't just be about what manager are you with? What promotion have you gone through? Are they on UFC Fight Pass? There needs to be more

nuance to talent acquisition in 2025. Yeah. Those are other points that people are bringing up. They need to do a better job of building up and having those contenders. But look, I do think it is cyclical and we're seeing influx. These fighting nerds are a great example. Look at the way the crowd is taking to them. They show them on the screen, Carlos Pratches and John Silva on Saturday.

They get a big pop and these are guys, Silva can't speak English, doesn't really speak any English. Pratches does a great job. The guys who are figuring out how to sell themselves, how to have a gimmick, how to connect with the audience are sticking out because the UFC isn't necessarily doing that for them, perhaps, like they used to do in the past.

I do have to mention that perhaps, and we'll get back to the 313 to talk in a moment, perhaps the highlight of the weekend for me happened on Friday at the 314 press conference because I thought that the exchange between John Silva and Bryce Mitchell, I thought actually I thought Bryce Mitchell was brilliant. This was to me straight out of 1984 pro wrestling. Bryce Mitchell playing the the Bible thumping bad guy next to the crazy Brazilian John Silva. They were absolute magic together and and Mitchell sticking to the gimmick while while Silva was trying to rile him

up with the globe with the chants and whatnot was was really actually amazing theater. In case you missed it here is that exchange. Your first public appearance I just want to ask how important is for you to be back to what you do best and maybe with an open mic is there anything you want to address to the crowd today? This is so good right here this is so good look at his face this is so good look at his face. And Jesus said hey hey hey remember if the world hates you, they hate you. Fuck Bryce Mitchell. Fuck Bryce Mitchell. Fuck Bryce Mitchell.

Fuck Bryce Mitchell. Fuck Bryce Mitchell. Hey, brada. Fuck Bryce Mitchell. Look at this. Watch this. Watch this stuff. The civil starts barking. Look how mad Mitchell gets.

HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP HOOP starts barking. Look how mad Mitchell gets. You barking up the wrong tree motherfucker. Look at him. I mean he's straight out of the trailer park. It's amazing. And he brings the globe of course because Mitchell has said that he thinks the earth is flat. He should walk out with Karl Fraj. I actually thought Bryce played that perfectly. The look on his face, he starts talking in Bible verses. It's so good. The dynamic between them, characters, that is what has separated the UFC from other combat sports in the past. And that to me was maybe the highlight of my weekend. Okay, we have the Dana White clip.

You need to listen to this because this is him explaining to all of us how they match make. We sit here and we rack our brains and we talk about it and we dissect. In reality, there isn't exactly an exact science. There's no rhyme or reason. Oh, you're in this country, you're in this city, this makes sense, this guy's available, it isn't necessarily the best fight, the best to determine who is the best. Take a listen.

Yeah, well, you guys know there's a lot of different, you know, factors that, you know, play out when we start talking about who's fighting next injuries timing of when they want to fight when they don't want to fight uh... geographically where we end up so there's a lot of different things determined whether a guy fights for the title and when you notice there and and that's pretty much it you notice there

he doesn't say like who's the number one one guy, and then we figure it out. It's geographically, it's who's available, all that stuff. And so the whole point is there isn't this exact science. Like we'd like to just ask Magomed, just ask Bilal, just ask Leon, just ask Murab. It's who's available. It's where the fight is taking place.

It's how it falls into the, you know, the schedule. Of course, there are times where it's like, this has It's where the fight is taking place. It's how it falls into the, you know, the schedule. Of course, there are times where it's like, this has to be the fight and we all know it's going to be the fight and they're going to make it happen. But you know, the days of it being, oh, this guy's number one, he's going to fight the guy. Those days are over.

Let's talk about Justin Gaethje, by the way. Let's talk about that big. Can I just say one more thing to add to that? Look no further than Saturday. If they could have found a reason not to give Magomed on the fly of a title shot again, they would have found a reason. If they could find a way to get Tom Aspinal

and John Jones in the cage, they would find a reason. The days of just like next man up, like the guy who's the number one ranked contender, it's done and it has been done for a long time. Khalil Rountree got a title shot against Alex Pereira. Magomed could have gotten that shot. They looked for a reason not to. Yes.

It is over. That is over and if you thought it was different, you've been fooling yourself for the last decade. They didn't want to give him, that's why I said it was a nightmare scenario for the UFC because when you tell us that you don't want to give this guy a title shot, when you tell us that, you know, you'd rather give it to three more guys before giving it to him, you're essentially telling us that you don't want to give this guy a title shot. When you tell us that you'd rather give it to three more guys before giving it to him,

you're essentially telling us that you don't want him to win and that's why I categorized it as a nightmare. Justin Gichey came back, he won, he had not fought since UFC 300, he got knocked out brutally in that fight, he was supposed to fight Dan Hooker, he takes this fight on short notice. I still don't quite understand why he was the underdog

in the fight, maybe because people just were banking on him not looking good after the Holloway knockout. Maybe because some people agree with me that Fiziv won the first fight. I don't know. But in the end he wins. I still kind of think Fiziv won the fight. It's a moot point. You may notice by looking at these photos right here. Justin Gaethje was wearing gloves that didn't have the UFC logo on them. There it is. He said that the writing came off in the back. I'd love to know what he was doing. Looks almost like an eye poke over there.

I'd love to know what he was doing in the back to make the logo come off. No one has ever... I've never seen that in a fight before. Some have thrown up theories. I don't't know the whole thing is a little bit strange but the point is he wins the fight I just don't know who makes sense for him next because if Poirier is fighting Holloway and he was making the the case for a title shot I would say that Armin and Charles and Toporia are ahead of him I'm not quite sure who makes a ton of sense other than perhaps the winner of chandler versus patty what do you say if patty pimblet beats michael chandler pt

you signing up for patty versus justin gachi yeah that would be absolutely savage yeah i love that fight it's either that or dan hooker you just wait till he comes back because gachi has said you know he doesn't like the fight you know likes to have five, six months in between his fights. You know, like to your point about that fight on Saturday, did you know, I don't know, maybe it's just me. I was similar, I was like, this is an incredibly close fight again. I don't know who's won, but Vizier's reaction

on the final bell kind of told me that Gagey won. I don't know if I'm looking into that too much. The way he interacted with Gaiji after the final bell was almost like, oh, well done, man. You did it again. And that kind of made me feel a certain way about it. But did you not see those body shots in the third round? They were phenomenal. Yeah, but I mean, Gaiji came on strong at the end. That was it.

But was it... Fizaya was done. Fizaya was cooked at the end of the third. Yeah, no, no, he on the arms at the top. Do we score fights based on who looks best at the end of the round or who- No, no, Gaiji, that second half of the round, he was taking it over. I thought he was- I thought he got his get back in the second half of that round.

For what it's worth, I scored it for Fazeev. I thought he won the third, but I'm speaking to Pizzi's point of the body language wasn't great because Gaiji was the fresher fighter, Fazeev had nothing. At thought he won the third, but I'm speaking to Pizzi's point of like, the body language wasn't great because he, Gheci was the fresher fighter, Fazeev had nothing. He like at the end of the third, if you're feeling like that, you probably think you gave it and people were calling for round five. Like there's no, five rounds of that.

There's no way he would have survived round four. He was completely shot. Gheci would have finished. He had no most on his points as you're right. It was wildly similar to the first fight. I thought one round one dominant round two by

Gaethje and then an incredibly close round three to decide. I thought he did better work in the first half. Like you, Ariel. I was, I was, and I just, I don't disagree that. He fizzled out and that Gaethje ended strong. I just thought the, the, the damage inflicted in the first half was greater than the damage inflicted in the second half.

I was really impressed. In fact, I was thinking, man, I wish he did more of this. I wish he did this in the, in the first half was greater than the damage inflicted in the second half. I was really impressed. In fact, I was thinking, man, I wish he did more of this. I wish he did this in the, in the second round. Um, because all the judges gave Justin Gaethje the second round. In any event, it doesn't, it seems like I'm on an island on this one.

Gaethje wins. Not trying to take. I just said I'm with you. Me and you. I mean, okay, me and you. We're on it together. I scored it for Gaethje. Um, it seems like the general MMA public, and

I'm not trying to create some sort of controversy here. I'm just curious to see where Ghechi goes. Cause he was, he was pushing, he was campaigning for a title shot. I just don't think he gets it. I don't even, there's a queue of guys. I don't think he gets it, but I do,

I would understand if he was like, look, I need somebody who's not so far down in the rankings. I took the short notice opportunity against Fazeev. I did your favor. It was a great fight. We're moving on. And now you're going to ask me like, Patty Pimblitt or somebody else, like, I want somebody who's going to at least be near my level

and keep me at the same level. I mean, if Patty beats Michael Chandler, he'll jump into that top five. I agree. And his star power is obviously massive. That is a fight that makes sense. If he jumps into the top five, it feels inevitable then. Then maybe that's the fight.

I mean, that's if he beats Michael Chandler. If he beats Michael Chandler, if it's an impressive win, if it's a stoppage, that fight makes all the sense in the world. I still think because he has told us he doesn't like to fight very active, you know, he doesn't like to be very active. I still think the hooker fight will be there in six months. These are all those. We just, I just saw a preview of our rankings where, uh, we've got, uh, Chandler at seven. What is Chandler in the UFC ranking?

This is the UFC rankings. Okay, so this is the UFC rankings. Yeah, so how does he get into the top five? Why wouldn't I take the hooker fight over the paddy fight? This is the UFC rankings. They can do it. Just make it over, they can go all the way. I'm saying if I'm Gachey.

If I'm Gachey, I just feel like. I guess the argument there is'm gay Chi if I'm gay Chi I just feel like I guess the argument there is that Patti Pemblit is a bigger star than Dan Hooker yeah yeah I always thought Patti was is he not is even he's not top 10 he's like 13th or something oh he is well well hey if I tell you, if Iliya Toporia wins that belt, if that boy happens, if he wins that belt. They are letting him play anyone. That's right. He's the boy who gets better immediately. That is number one in the rankings, Iliya Toporia. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's about. 100%. To our previous point. Um, yeah, look, there's a few options. I don't, I don't see why they don't try to make the hooker fight again. Everyone loved it. This fight doesn't make me love it even more.

He says he'll be BRB as he put it on social media. To me, it's that or the winner of Chandler Patty. And by the way, if Chandler wins, I wouldn't hate seeing that again. Chandler Gachey? That was an amazing fight. Madison Square Garden. Beat him up and down the, the octagon for the

fight I thought. Yeah, that was a clear third. Hey, the guy, the guy's one fight removed from getting knocked out cold. It's not like he's on a six fight winning thought. Yeah, that was a clear third. The guy, the guy's one fight removed from getting knocked out cold. It's not like he's on a six fight winning streak. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's getting any title shot any time soon, especially with the Q at 155.

UFC 313. What a time to be alive. What a time to be alive. Jalen Turner retired. We had two, we had two young chaps fighting in the prelim headliner who were born in 2002 and 2001. I mean what the hell? Anything stick out? Pete T, before you go, anything stick out? Anything on the prelims? Anything that you really loved? Damn, nothing jumping past.

Amanda Lons? Yeah, Josh Van, I think is brilliant. I think he's class. He absolutely outclassed Reitz-Ruia. That was pretty cool. Lial, Starch, Marino, I heard the lads talking about on Thursday and I actually agreed with them. They were kind of saying, that's a crazy line for a guy with so much experience. But Carlos Lial

absolute savage fair play to him. Yeah all right well I thought the highlight of the night as far as anything is concerned was Mauricio Rufi and his knockout again the the fighting nerds are on fire and they're going to be very much in focus next month's pay-per-view in Miami because they got two of them fighting. I love it. I love when these, these sort of stories emerge, um, and, and, and they gain momentum and they build them up and they put them in, in positions, uh, to succeed. And, and that was a, that was a really solid win for

him in his, you know, in his, uh, ascension up the lightweight ranks over a guy who's very respected. Um, obviously King green has, has been in the win for him in his ascension up the lightweight ranks over a guy who's very respected. Obviously, King Green has been in the game for a long time and he's had some ups, he's had some downs, but fighting a striker like Rufy with your hands down like that, disastrous outcomes can come your way and that's exactly what happened. I wish we could show it to you, obviously we can't, but by now you've probably seen it. It's one of the all-time great knockouts in the history of the sport.

And I don't think that's being a prisoner of the moment. I don't think that's hyperbole. A spinning wheel kick, if you are familiar with Etze Barboza versus Terry Adam, it was very similar, other than the way in which... the way in which green fell and if you want to you want to you know based that on some kind of style point metric then that was a lot more dramatic it was like a tree falling this one was a little clunkier if you will but the technique the form everything about it

was just outstanding, beautiful. I mean, look at that. Look at that right there. That is, I hope each and every one of you saw that. That is spectacular stuff. If anything tops that, between now and December, we're in for a treat. If that was, if that was last year, and then in a month we got Holloway over Gagey, what wins knockout of the year? I don't know. What was a better knockout? The Holloway Gagey one. Maybe for, for, for drama.

Yeah. But like for technique? Yeah. This is superhuman. Yeah, it was incredible. Incredible, no doubt about it, but that Gagey Holloway one, that might be the best knockout in UFC history.

You think so? I think so. I think so, yeah, absolutely agree. But the speeding wheel can go, pfft. Like a... Ah, the pageantry, mate, come on. There was a lot more going on here.

Right, like come on, come on. The point to the center of the octagon, UFC 300, one second left on the clock. I get he's coming on the show. I get he's coming on the show, Ariel. I get it, all right? Holloway, Gagey, everything, like come on. The point to the center of the octagon UFC 300. One second left on the clock. I get he's coming on the show. I get he's coming on the show, Ariel. I get it. Holloway, Gagey, everything like come on. These things have nothing to do with the actual knockout

in a vacuum. This isn't technical knockout of the year. It's ridiculous. You've lost your mind. This is crazy. Spinning wheel kick like that. Crazy? Crazy?

Holloway's knockout of Gagey was crazy. It was absolutely crazy. So you're saying if both of those are happening in the same year, you're giving the nod to the Holloway. You need to relax. I've been thinking about it. Really? We're not going to change.

If you keep asking it, you keep asking us, we're not changing it. It's Holloway. I'm sorry. Let me see. Let me see here what the chat is saying. Were you saying, were you saying LokDog with the flying knee last year was over? Nah, come on. No, you said Shara Bullard, double spinning backfists over

over. That was in there. That was in there. You don't, you didn't think so. Over Holloway Gagey? No, no, no. It was in the discussion. It was in the discussion, but there was no discussion to be had. Oh come on. This is greater than that. You don't think this? Oh, thank you. No, I think this is greater than the, than the double spinning backfist. Yeah. You know what? Tell me. I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know? Is that a Kanye West reference?

It is. As if so I'm really offended. I'm super offended if that's what it is. Shout out to Robbie Lawler. He, we found out that he is going to be inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame. I believe that's on the 26th of June. UFC doing a great job with these, rolling them out,

having the fighter in attendance. Great to see a guy as tough, as rugged, as ruthless Robbie Lawler getting that moment, the emotion. The last two times we've seen him on camera, you know, as the spotlighted figure on a UFC broadcast, there were some tears from Robbie. What are you trying to say?

No, I think it's fantastic. I love that he's, I love that he's, you know, he's in touch with his feelings, with his emotions. And he's one of the all time best champion in multiple organizations. The Strikeforce era was an interesting one. He's falling asleep at press conferences. He's letting his hair grow.

He seemingly doesn't care anymore. Gets into the UFC, gets an opportunity to come back to the UFC, moves down to 170 and then becomes an absolute bulldozer en route to becoming UFC champion and ends up being one of the most beloved fighters in UFC history. I feel confident saying that. Had a great run as a teenager in the very early days, had a great fight with, uh, with Nick Diaz, um, then went on to rumble on the rock, Alidak C, strike force, and then, and then back to the UFC.

And there's still, there's still some hope. There's still some talk about him fighting in BKFC against Mike Perry, uh, which would be an absolute insane fight. Um, but he's getting his, his, his opportunity to be in the UFC hall of fame. And one of those guys that got in first via the, the fight wing, which I still feel a little bit

weird about, uh, the fight wing he got in for his fight against, uh, Roy Mcdonald at UFC one 89, which, uh, we honor on the table right here with this bad boy one of my favorite figurines. None of the boys gave that the number one on the faceoffs the greatest faceoffs of all time I thought for sure. The one the one mid fight like before the fifth round. Yeah.

Number two right Rick? Yeah he's busy Rick yeah he's busy he's setting up he's setting up rough here I know okay it was a great one it was it was impromptu but you know the it's like a religious experience I feel yeah crazy knows you ever interview Robbie that much Ariel yeah of course he was a tough interview yeah yeah I had the interview for an Irish tabloid once and he knew it like and I came back and I think like I asked him a couple of questions about the Rory fight and then I just jumped straight to like McGregor stuff for the Irish tabloids. And the look he gave me, I just moved, I just left the room myself I was like you know what, it's fine mate and I just went. He had the eyes of a great white shark, just completely black, fucking terrifying, man. This was, this was my, um, this was, this was my impersonation of Robbie

when you interview him. Like, so Robbie, do you think, uh, if you win this fight, you're going to be next in line for a title shot? And I don't know, you know, it's up to them. I'm just here to fight. And I don't know. That's, uh, that's very good. You know what I mean?

Robbie, uh, do you think that a knockout would prove that you're the number one contender? I don't know. You know, that's, that's up to you guys. He's like a violent, stavy wonder. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't worry about these things. I just show up and fight, you know, that's, that's usually, sometimes you would crack him.

If you ask them about football, if you asked them about, I think the, I think he was a Rams fan or something like that, you, you would be able to crack the code. If you asked him about football if you asked him about I think the I think he was a Rams fan or something like that you you would be able to crack the code if you asked him about anything but MMA but if you asked him about the minutia of MMA you wouldn't get much out of the great Robbie Lawler let's go to our first guest of the day the absolute star in my opinion of UFC 313 his whole team is on fire the fighting nerds you know them you love them and he was the the next man up to put on a show and in my opinion it's one

of the all-time great knockouts the other guys were disagreeing with me but I believe what we saw in that fight against King Green on Saturday will be remembered from now until the end of time up there with the Edson Barbosa knockout of one Terry Edm way back in the day UFC 142. We're talking to Mauricio Ruffi right now. We're being joined by the legend himself Fabiano, the greatest interpreter of all time. What an absolute honor it is to have him on the program, to have both these individuals on the program. First off, Mauricio, thank you. Obrigado and Fabiano, obrigado to you as always. I've always visualized this here and it's happening too. So I'm very grateful to by the knockout, I've watched it a bunch of times, I'd love to know how many

times you've watched what you did on Saturday. Have you watched it more than 10 times, 20 times, since you seen it? You've seen it 10 times, 20 times, how many times have you watched yourself doing what you did? Some, many times here, sometimes even unintentionally, I open my Instagram, there's a video, I renew the page, I reload, the video is playing again, it's crazy here, I'm very happy, I planned it, refresh the feed and it's there again. I said, I trained that, that's right, many times and it was beautiful to see it put in practice. I saw that you posted a clip of you training

that particular kick. Was that something that you thought would materialize in this fight or is it just something that's a part of your arsenal that you work on all the time? I saw that you posted on all the time? Yes, I was training this, I think about 30 different movements for each stadium there of the octagon and the fighting stage, right? I like to control and dominate the opponent first and then I start to release my weapons there.

So I think each space of the octagon there I have a weapon already prepared and in that corner of the octagon where he was, I knew that this kick would marry very well and it's amazing that I got to match to the moment and make it happen. the moment and make it happen. I mentioned at the top that it was shades of Edson Barbosa, UFC 142 against Terry Adam. So can I ask you, which one's better? Which knockout is cleaner? Which one is more think was the most beautiful, the cleanest? Which was the most plastic? Edson or yours? Man, I think both are very beautiful, I think both deserve a lot of applause, this knockout was really cool. I believe that Edson had a difference, that his one, he... I'm in the coach, he played once, and mine had a mixture of fint there,

as I usually say, Neymar even helped me knock out this guy, because it was based on Neymar's fint there and the kick came in the end and it worked out. So I'm very happy and for me both are beautiful. it was different because you talk about like a hit to the thigh and then it keeps on going Mine you have the faint there. There was the added bonus of the faint I'd like to say that Neymar helped me out with that one because that was the Neymar thing I mean he helped me. Let's just say he helped me get that guy Because that was his faint the Neymar faint, but both were beautiful, dude Both were beautiful and just to be clear, are you saying you saw Neymar do something like this or are you saying that Neymar

himself helped teach you how to do this? Are you friends with Neymar? Just to make it clear to everyone, this relationship between the coup and Neymar, is something you saw Neymar do, is something Neymar told you to do, explain what is the relationship between Neymar and the coup. Neymar told you to do it, explain what is the relationship between Neymar and the goal. What happened with Neymar was the following, I saw him play, I don't watch football that much,

but I really like to see Neymar play because he is very skilled, and there is a stage of the fight where I start, where I have a lot of skill. In my head I become a very skilled guy. And I saw that Neymar makes a dribble on top of the other. And then I said, how am I going to put this in the fight? And then I started to create a tape on top of the tape before the blow came out. And that's what I did in that last fight. At that moment I gave the name of these tapesymar tapes, so I tape it straight, tape it crossed, the guy blocks both and finally the kick arrives.

So I always put this neymar tape there before my blows, and especially in this blow it worked out very well, so that's what happened. That's my relationship with Neymar do a lot is to do a dribble over a dribble. He does a double compound. So what I tried to do to introduce was the same thing, was a feint over a feint. So the compound move myself. So basically you can see I compound move myself. So, basically, you can see I got to, I throw him with a cross, I go with the overhand, and I just go and with a kick. So, that's what it is, the faint over faint after the name mark. So, that's why I call it the name mark. Frank, I love that. I love that. That is brilliant. I love that. In the aftermath,

in the post-fight interview with Fabiano by your side, you had mentioned something about, you know, giving yourself to God and not giving up, and I'm just wondering if you can expand a little bit on what that is and what people deliver in their lives to God and Jesus Christ? 100% Man, I had an experience that changed my life with Jesus. I was in a phase of my life, very bad, everything was going bad, it seemed like I was going to lose everything, everything was going very badly, my marriage, my professional life, I was in a bed for three years, practically standing there,

just surgery, every time I was going to fight something bad happened, I couldn't fight, and I couldn't understand that madness. There was a time when I wanted to suffer an accident and lose my life on the way home to the gym. I said, I don't have the courage to take my life, but if a car hits me and I lose my life, I'll be happy because I can't stand living in this world anymore. And then a guy went to my house and said Jesus to me, he said Jesus had plans for me, and for the first time I felt something that completed me in a way that I couldn't describe. And that guy prayed for my wife, my wife couldn't be a mother, my wife, he said that my wife had been healed that day, and after I gave my life to Jesus, I started to know about him, to learn about him, in a life that I think is it, I don't know, I have 100% of the time

I think it's the most important moment in my life. I think it's the most important moment in my life. I think it's the most important moment in my life. I think it's the most important moment in my life. I think it's the most important moment in my life. I think it's the most important moment in my life and I recognize that it was Jesus I did, things were, it just, everything was going downhill. Things were, as far as fighting, I had been pretty much bedridden or in bed resting for three years. Every time I fought, something had happened.

Nothing was coming off of my side. I'm feeling We had a having a tough time in my in my marriage as well with my wife My wife couldn't have children at the time and you know, everything was going wrong And I I wish I didn't want to take my life away and take my own life, but I wish that if Maybe a car hit me or if I got struck by an accident, that wouldn't be a bad thing because nothing was going work working for me anyways. There was nothing to lose. And the guy, that's a time that came that guy came to my door and talked about Jesus Christ and talked about his importance and what he can give you.

And at that moment, he said that everything was gonna be okay, I gave my life to him. He said that right then and there, my wife had been healed. And I'll tell you in one year, one year, that I had given me two children. I wake up every morning with a smile from year to year. We are so happy. And I owe so much to Jesus Christ for everything He has done for me and for His presence. So at that moment, I felt something different in the presence of Jesus Christ and that I

owe so much to Jesus Wow, can I ask how long ago was that? I'll put on my constant face Boy, yeah, it's the internal FC My feed was doing email so I'll put this you do is another place It was about a year before I got into the UFC. My kids are here and I'm half old now. It's about two years now. Okay.

If I would have talked to you back then, was there any part of you who, you know, believed that this would all kind of work out or had you lost all hope that you wouldn't make it to the UFC, that things wouldn't start working out in your favor? In other words, that guy from two, three years ago, believe that this would all kind of work out or had you lost all hope that you wouldn't make it to the UFC that things wouldn't start working out in your favor. In other words, that guy from two, three years ago, is he just absolutely blown away at what your life has become? Did you have any hope? Did you have anything inside him that you thought was going to happen now?

That could be happening to him or at that moment you had lost all hope? How is this guy, that guy back there, looking at Rufi today? He must be impressed with what happened to Rufi today? Yes, 100%, man. I kept looking at Rulf before, he had no hope for anything else, he had no joy, I left home at 14 years old, I wanted to be a fighter,

and I saw this desire, this dream, disappear along with my desire to live. And Jesus brought all this back to me. I'm so happy to have met Jesus. And man, every day that passes I am more surprised by what He has done in my life. And I told the Lord that I became a message to Him, that He can take me wherever He wants, that I will not lose the opportunity to speak and that he saves, that he heals and that desire was dying inside of me just like my will to live and things changed completely I

Learned about Jesus. He healed me And I right now I've said is He changed my life. He mentioned before area on the previous thing. That's really that Jesus had a plan That's what he was told to him that I saw the plan. I saw the Jesus heals I saw the Jesus transformed and I've told the Lord you take me anywhere die and I will be your Russell and I will help show the work because Jesus can heal, Jesus can transform, and Jesus can make your life better.

So I'm so happy to have truly met Him and been acquainted with Him. I see you're wearing the Fighting Nerds glasses. The team is on fire. Gian Silva, two weeks ago. Kaio, Carlos. It's amazing. There they are right there. It's amazing what you guys have done. And probably the most fun thing in the sport

right now is just seeing your comradery, seeing how you guys are lifting each other up and succeeding. And I'm wondering, since you were the next man up, is there any pressure like, Hey, everyone's winning. Now I have to do the same. I have to do something. And then of course, my two teammates are fighting

in Miami next month. You feel like you have to keep the, the good vibes going. And of course you did that, but going into Miami next month. You feel like you have to keep the good vibes going. And of course you did that, but's Prates, it's you. And this is one of the most interesting things that is happening in the world in MMA today, that fascination is bringing. There was a little pressure because Kaio had his first good in the event, then suddenly you have John leaving with a victory like that, Carlos also breaking down,

and now the two of them going to fight in Miami and it's coming your time, when it comes your time you say, there's so little pressure on your head, a weight that says like this, no, the guys were breaking down, now it's my turn, I also have to deliver, does that exist? Man, in my head I think a little differently, I don't think like that, I think that I am very blessed to be here, that I need to enjoy every moment, like this interview so many things, I keep listening to the comments from the fans, whether it's positive or negative, I appreciate everyone's affection,

but I focus on my goal, I look at it and move forward. I'm very happy that my friends are building a beautiful story, and I know I have my story to build. I don't know how it will the opportunity that I'm having I Stay focused and in the moment for example right now in this interview right now. I'm here. I'm enjoying an envision before So I'm thoroughly enjoying them all 100% here in the moment. So What what happened was happening to the guys is that they're enjoying this it's beautiful I'm in is beautiful to say and I'm enjoying a lot just with them

They're enjoying this. It's beautiful. It's beautiful to say and I'm enjoying a lot just with them But I tried to be in the moment and do my job and what I need to do And to get things so i'm just living my story Um, I I don't know what it's gonna be like at the end, but i'll tell you what i'm enjoying every moment After your ufc debut you tweeted. Let me send a nice message to Islamahachav. Islam, let me tell you brother, I know you are upset with me because I knocked out your best friend. Enjoy your days as king because the new king of the category has arrived. You tweeted that on May 9th, 2024, but you retweeted that I do believe today or either

last night. And so my question is, how far away do you think you now are from the top of the division? Because clearly you're trying to resend that message to the king Islamakashev. is How far are you, how close are you to this chance to fight for the title? Islam Mahaché, look, look, I'm walking in your direction. Well, yes, there's a cool story there, I think he bet on his friend, he talked to his friend and he could be the guy who would dominate the T77 category, and even in the category of himself I stopped him, I know that Islan has thought a lot about me, even through my presentations. I believe that things are happening very quickly, I'm enjoying each one of them, I have no idea what it will be tomorrow, but I visualize it in my head that one day we will face each other and I will be able to win this belt and it, somebody that was, um, they could be a champion. They could be dominating the division, including, you know, um, even one of the, the heavier

divisions and he, I, I didn't, I didn't see it that way. And I did what I did. Um, I'm very happy with the, uh, the opportunity they could have right now. I think that I'm on my way to do it and it's a matter of time I'm coming for him. I agree with that as well. By the way, is it true that you used to be a bodyguard for like some Chinese multimillionaire?

Can you tell us about this? Back to that question, it's true that you were the back of a million Chinese. Could you elaborate more on that? I really wanted to talk to you about the story of your journey. I'm sure you will be able to tell us more about your journey. I'm sure you will be able to tell us more about your journey. I'm sure you will be able to tell us more about your journey. I'm sure you will be able to tell us more about your journey.

I'm sure you will be able to tell us more about your journey. I'm sure you will be able to the Chinese roller coaster. And at the right time, I will share all the details, but yes, I was a bodyguard for a Chinese building. Okay That'll be a good tease. We'll leave it at that Congratulations, parabens to you and the whole team. It's it's amazing. You guys are such a joy to watch truly You're this amazing bright light in the sport right now. And so I want to congratulate you Thank you for coming on great to meet you and looking forward to much more from you this year and for many years to come So thank you so much and Fabiano. Thank you to you as well. It is really an honor to meet you and looking forward to much more from you this year and for many years to come so thank you so much and Fabiano thank you to you as well it is really an honor to have you on the program. It's a light that shines a lot, a lot, a lot, at the moment, in the MMR.

It's always cool with the guys. Thank you, thank you for participating in the show, and come back always, so it's an honor to have you here with us. It's a pleasure, thank you very much for the affection, thank you for the opportunity to talk to you, I'm making another dream here, talking to you, now this photo is missing, which I've already seen for a long time. At the right moment, it will come out.

We're together. God bless you. One more dream just getting through to be here. And there's also, you know, one more, there's something I'm visualizing here. I'm envisioning a picture. We will take that picture. We gotta look pretty soon. We'll take one together, okay? I look forward to that. Thank you guys. All the best.

Thank you. Obrigado. There they are. Mauricio Rufi Fabiano is an absolute legend. Fabiano Busquets. I hope I'm pronouncing his name correctly. He may get mad at me if I'm not, but he's actually like, I said this to him over the weekend, the way in which

he speaks to the fighters, the way in which he relates their emotion, their cadence, his memory is unbelievable. Like sometimes they'll give you a two minute answer and he's somehow reciting all of this with emotion and with passion. He is without a doubt the greatest interpreter slash translator, whatever term you want to use that I've ever come across in all my years.

Like there was, there was a great one all back in the day from Japan, uh, Mizu, Mizu. She was unbelievable with the pen. The OG fans will remember she had the pen and the fluffy thing. She was great as well, but she would take notes. If we're being honest, she would take notes. Fabiano with his, with his, with his body and his body, his body, his body, his body, his She had the pen and the fluffy thing. She was great as well, but she would take notes. If we're being honest, she would take notes.

Fabiano with his, with his, with his body language and his facial expressions and his emotion. And like I said, the, the, the cadence, it's all perfect. He is the best. I've never seen anyone do it as well as him. So shout out to him. He's a living legend and shout out to Mauricio who's becoming a legend in his own right.

What a knockout, what a team, what a story. And I appreciate him. He's a living legend and shout out to Mauricio who's becoming a legend in his own right. What a knockout, what a team, what a story. And I appreciate him giving us some of the backstory. When you start to learn that sort of thing, it, uh, it all, you know, it all hits home a little harder. Like it makes you want to root for these guys. It makes you want to pull for them. Uh, he's on a three fight winning streak in the UFC, overall on a seven fight winning streak,

two performance of the night bonuses. He asked for two on Saturday. He got one, 11 career wins via KO, one via decision, eight of which, eight of those 11 knockouts came in the first round and his debut was just nine months ago in May of 2024. So that's another name to remember. Next month we get Gian Silva and Carlos Proches on the Miami card So stay tuned that could be a magical night once again for the Fighting Nerd squad All right after the main event on Saturday. I wanted to take the temperature of one Yuri Prochaska. He was online

He was watching we saw some back and forth and and some might say he's the number one contender coming off that win over Jamal Hill back in January. So thought this would be a good time to check in with the pride of the Czech Republic. And he is as always kind enough to join us here. And now there he is. Hello, Yuri, how are you? Thank you for the time.

Hello, Ariel. Hi, I'm great. How are you? I'm doing great. Always great to talk to you. And Ariel, hi. I'm great. How are you? I'm doing great. Always great to talk to you and I noticed the hair is growing back. Yes, it's growing, growing. Yeah. I'm looking back, like looking to see them back.

So we're going to go back for the old school ponytail, right? The next time we see you? Maybe I will little upgrade it, but don't know, because every time it's going from the flow, that's my kind of hair. But the last one, the antenna was like my, how to say, a spiritual thing for me. And maybe I will maybe I will let that grow again. Yeah. Well, I saw you on Saturday. You know, I was wondering, because I think that you're five hours ahead of us now, maybe six at the time. So that's like early morning over there in the Czech Republic. Were you watching that main event live? Did you wake up early for that?

that main event live? Did you wake up early for that? Yeah, I woke up at 4 a.m. and the main event was at around 6-7. Yeah. Okay, do you usually do that or was it because that fight was important for you to see live? Sometimes. Sometimes when I really want to see the fights or some fighters, I wake up early but right now I wanted to see that. I wanted to see the performance from both guys. What were you thinking? Can I ask what were you thinking as far as how the fight would go going into the fight? How are you feeling the fight would play out? Which fight? Going into the main event Alex Pryor against Mago Medan Kalayev. How did you think before

the fight it was gonna go? Man, first, yeah, I said many times like my predictions that I thought like Magomed Ankalayev will use his wrestling more and Pereira will be much more destructive with with punches, with his combinations and with the movement. I think he showed his worst performance in his career and Magomed Ankal I have he he used that he used some few things what's what worked

For alex on alex. Yeah. Okay. So he did try to use his wrestling right magomed But he was 0 for 12 with his uh takedowns. Did that surprise you? Yeah, I saw it's a little bit. I felt like he will be more successful with his wrestling, but he didn't surprise me with his wrestling. I think he has a good basement in wrestling, in Sambo. So I thought he would be better in that fight. That kind of thing. This way Alex surprised a lot of people with death. Who did you score the fight for? Man, it was truly a little bit on the side of Ankalayev. But if you know how the judges score the title fights in the

way that you have to beat the champion directly, in the right way, knock him down or on the point strictly, then he will win. But he won just like two or three rounds or one round was like 50-50. So this way I think it was on Alex's side. But we all know that We all know that Uncle I have doing this type of performances like. He's not that type of the guy who's who's going for the for the knockout every time. So you mentioned that you thought it was Alex's worst performance. Do you think that was because Alex for whatever reason didn't show up or do you think that was because of something that Ankolyev was doing? Man, ask him. Ask him what was that. But he was in a defense. He was really defensive style, not offensive, even if he like he's a champion with everyone except me. He fought every time aggressively, he wanted to strike, he wanted to catch the strikes and with Angelay right now he was

how to say defensive defensive like John Jones last fights in in light heavy weight he just he just did what's necessary and but it was not right right now it was not enough especially for judges yeah so, so, so the chair, still the champion have to have to prove that he's a champion and defend correctly. And Magomed Angalay was, was more active. And that was his, I think for the judges, that was enough for judges. But I don't know, I don't know what to think about that. Yeah, I'm wondering, was there something about what Ankalayev did that impressed you,

that you thought, okay, this is a good plan of attack against someone like Alex? That's right, that's right. There was a few things that he did very well. And that was touching the gloves, grabbing the gloves in a stand-up, then trying to set up some attacks. That was really good work from him and bad work from Alex that he didn't adjust for this game plan, for his game plan. Yeah. I saw in the immediate aftermath you mentioned, I'm going to read the tweet here, you said, congrats to Ankalayev, beautiful pressure. Most of the people don't like it,

but you won the title for now. Alex Pereiraira blast dance meaning a third fight against Pereira and then you subsequently your next tweet was or better idea let's go straight to hunt the title and so initially when I saw your first tweet I thought oh most people are calling out the champion but you were you you mentioned Pereira first and then you said let's go for the title. So how are you feeling now? Yeah, that's that's that's right. And thank you for for the question and after the fight I was like Man, I have to fight with Alex right now. He's uh, he's he lost the fights and

Let's give him a little bit time and go for the title yeah because first time I was first after the after the after their fight I just thought like Alex will be Alex will be now free and it will be more logical fights to go with Alex and win one more fight before the title but then then I realized man I want a title I want to go with uncle I have because his style and his mouth what he's saying is something what. I don't like it i don't like it i like all the people i like except him. That's a he's too much too much, except his last tweet on me. Yeah. So can I, just for the audience, I don't condone this,

but I did see him tweet, I think you are a fraud and so many guys deserve it more than you. You need to go win some big fights. And then he also tweeted, this guy is a terrible fighter. Why is he saying this about you? Uh, I don't know, man. He don't know me. He don't know me. I don't know him personally. Okay. One thing what I can say to the, to the Ancalaeus, he can think whatever he wants, He can think whatever he wants but I know that only person who is a fraud is him because when I met him in the UFC Performance Institute in Las Vegas, he was there, he was very nice, he was friendly, hello, nice to meet you. All good. And right now he's a superstar and a

big gangster. And right now he's playing this game and he is hyped in that. I understand he won the title against worst performance Alex of Alex Pereira and only fraud person here is a Magomed Ankalev and worst fighter. Man, I'm every time giving everything to my fights, every time I'm going to finish my opponent and to give it all in my fight. Not like him. When he's fighting, he's many times in the third round, when there is a high performance, he is trying to run out from the performance, from the attacking, from the aggressive attacks. So that gives me only one meaning.

Only fraud person here is Magomenan Kalev and I don't care about this guy. I just wanna go and take a title. Doesn't matter for what about him. Right now, he's a champion, but nobody, I think nobody likes that and nobody respect that he's a champion. And now after seeing these tweets, would it be fair to say you would prefer to fight him next as opposed to Pereira for the third time? Sure, sure, yeah. Yes, that's right. I don't want to be stuck in some emotions like I want Alex in every way. For me I'm okay. I know I will meet Alex

third time for 100% in light heavyweight. I'm sure. But right now I will do whatever is necessary to catch the uncle lives. It has been suggested, Yuri, that perhaps he's not the one tweeting this, that it's his manager tweeting it. Do you think this is coming from him? Or do you think it's I don't care. I don't care. It's his platform. Yeah. And everybody have to take a responsibility for what he's posting. So if some hyped manager is doing that, he's doing a bad work. Yeah. And at this point, it sounds like it has gone personal between you. You feel like he crossed the line, like he disrespected you.

It's like, like you saying, it's disrespectful. And, uh, right now I just realized that I don't have a time for these games with, uh, with, with these guys who's lying and who's trying to to uh to speak about me like these bullshits this is this is uh i think this is a child's game so i and i don't know what to play it like he's like dad he's bad he's a terrible fighter, he's shut up man and face me in the cage. What's interesting is in the aftermath of the fight, he was doing interviews and he said, now that I'm the champion,

I'm not gonna pick and choose. Everyone's gonna get an opportunity because I had to struggle to get my title shot and so in my era as champion, everyone gets an opportunity and then first tweet since he wins, he says, you have to go win more fights. You're not going to get a shot at me. You see, it's a contradiction.

You understand? He's saying two separate things. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's what I'm saying. And then, uh, everybody feel that everybody knows that. Everybody feels that, everybody knows that. So I don't want to speak badly about anybody, but he is speaking about me a lot. So I need to say something about that.

That's it. Only one thing what I can say for me is my performance. It's all about performance, not about the speaking. I can say just I'm going there every time for 200% to finish the fight, to win the belt, to show the beauty of martial arts. That's all. What do you think the UFC will do? Do you think they will try to do you versus him? Or do you think they'll try to do the rematch with him in prayer right away? What do you feel? In two weeks, I will be in London on the UFC event, speak with managers from UFC and then we will set some next moves.

Okay, but obviously you're going to ask for the title shot. If they say, no, we want to do the rematch, what would be the next best scenario for you? For me? Who? Whatever. Whatever. Who will be the next? I'll take it. I will take it. Okay. Right now it's about the negotiations about who will be the next. There is in the London, there will be Blachowicz versus Ulberg. Yeah. They are like very good guys too. That sounds great because there was some speaking about me and Blachowicz or maybe Ulberg or whatever. But I'm looking

in the first way. I'm looking for right now Ankalayev or Alex. right now on alive or Alex. Even if I, but I think Alex, Alex needs right now a little bit time to recover, to take a fresh wave and go back. Yes, he has been very active. And so perhaps he does take some time off and they do you versus on alive. And then he fights the winner. That's right. Right. That would be the best case scenario for you. We last saw you in January and

then I think afterwards you went on a trip to Hawaii, right? What was that experience like for you? Did you enjoy it? Did you like the vibes there? Yeah, man, Hawaii is amazing, amazing islands. All of these islands. I was on three islands and all of them was amazing. Amazing energy, amazing waterfalls. One of the biggest mountain in the world, Mount Akea, which is going under the sea. So from the bottom of that mountain, under the sea, it has almost 10,000 meters, which is the highest mountain in the world. And there was a really beautiful energy, like, like not so strong, not so weak, something like middle in the middle, especially the people, people are there, they are here, like very, very nice, very open. And I spoke with, with, they are like spoke with the people there who were born there and I did some dancing. These guys?

Yeah, these guys. These people. And that was a really strong moment. And right now, still still I feel this energy like yeah. What did you feel? Did you feel like they were giving you their energy? Man, it was that night was about the sharing the power. Yeah. And these these guys, I have some These these guys I have some my my people my friends in my village too And when we celebrate when we drinking together, we are the same animals maybe the baddest animals in the world, so That was great great

That was great, great, great night. Did you do it with them or you were just receiving their energy? Did they teach you how to do that? I think it's a Hakka. Yeah, yeah, Hakka, yeah. We did that together, especially in them. We drank some day or traditional celebrational drink We drank some day or traditional celebration drink and then we just celebrated. Yeah.

I love it. By the way, before the Jamal Hill fight, you talked about maybe going to 185 and I saw that you tweeted about Drikus after his win over Sean Strickland and your commentary was interesting and I thought maybe that this would entice you because you said no technique, over Sean Strickland and your commentary was interesting and I thought maybe that this would entice you because you said no technique, no rhythm, but 200% activity and pressure, especially like a champion that was something inspirational.

And I was wondering if after that performance, that was in February, it made you think, oh, maybe now is the time to go to 185. Is that accurate or no? Right now, no. I said to myself, man, I really want to win the title fights in light heavyweights. Then I can, then I want to think and watch the middleweights

maybe, but first for me is to show not just to people but to myself that I can take the lightweight title again and go to the middleweights. I know that post on Twitter for Drikos was a little bit like congratulations but you were a bad fighter. I just said the truth because he won the title so congratulations but your performance was man there was no technique nothing but you showed just true heart of the fighter, especially like a champion. He showed something inspirational because like a champion, he showed amazing performance. He fought like a challenger, yeah, for to win the fight.

And that was something inspirational. How do you think that goes, you against him? Me and him? Me and him? Yeah. Oh, for 100% he wants to grapple. So catch him in the bad rhythm because he don't have the rhythm, he don't have the footwork, he just working with the hard work.

He's a hard worker guy, yeah. And what about if Ankalaya fought Pereira again? How do you think that goes? Like this fight, like the last fight it depends in which mood will Pereira go for this fight because like now we we everybody we we saw the I have to say that because it's true, one of the worst is performance. Yeah, but still he, he, he just lost for the points. So, so I think with some upgrades, with some good work and the pressure, he will win the fight 100% in a perfect scenario for you. When do you want to return?

Right now I have in the June exams in my high school, the final exams. So I need to finish the school in June 1st and then in July, August, I want to fight okay and and to be clear in your high school you're taking high school exams university university uh and and which which uh which courses it's a sport university yeah amazing so you take how many exams do you have to take Yeah. Amazing. So you take, how many exams do you have to take? Oh man, there is a, there is a like, uh, like five, five, six. And you go to the classes or is it, uh, online? Yeah, every, every Friday I'm going there to be, to be there. And because the school, this, uh, this university, uh, they, they understand that I'm a professional fighter, but they

still want that I have to be there. Sure. So you're sitting, like how old are the kids that you're sitting next to in this class? Yeah, it's like for long distance students. Okay. Yes. There is like 30 years old and some younger. So, and I'm 32.

So I'm still good at that. Do they know who you are? Sure. They know. Sure they know. So yeah. That's amazing. And Kruger.

It's good because I like the the information about the body performance, about the like the teaching about about the physiology and all these things. So that's what I like. Congratulations, by the way, I saw your new shoe looks amazing. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Still, we are working on that right now with this type of business. We are going to the US. And I hope we will share by the clothes and shoes the power of these ideas. Because I don't like to just wear something

but something with a meaning. And this is something what I'm doing for last 10 years. We are doing these clothes and giving in them the power, the meaning, and yeah, all these sentences which is there and this is what I like, to wear something with the strength. I notice even like when we're texting you say, let's go for that and then I saw your t-shirt says Let's go for that now. So this is like your your your motto your way of life Yeah, sure and I want to have it all the time on myself to know it to why I'm doing that to know the reason because

This is something what for what I'm breathing right now. And in this moment of my life, it's for me everything. So yeah, I'm really, really like really happy. Yeah, especially after a last fight and a great preparation before last thing. Is there a message? What's the message to Magomed Ankalev and his team? What does Yuri Prokhaska want to say to them? I already said that. Okay. I already said that. That's for his, I just wanted to react by the interview with you on his tweets that only person who is a fraud is him and especially for the reasons what I said

and don't speak about me, don't speak about me anymore because you don't know me, absolutely, absolutely you don't know me. Absolutely. Absolutely. You don't know which kind of life I'm living and uh, face me in the cage. Then you will understand. Thank you so much, Yuri. You're the man. Always a pleasure.

Always appreciate your time. Thank you for coming on. Uh, good luck to you in, in, in getting this fight. Can't wait to see you back in there. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. Ariel. You a good night.

I don't know. You're the man. There he is. The great Yuri Bruchaska, the pride of the Czech Republic. Always love, love, love talking to him. And you can tell it, it got a little bit under his skin. We do have an update here, courtesy of our old friends from MMA fighting. There was that pay-per-view issue that ruined a lot of people's nights on Saturday here

in America. A lot of people were trying to log on to ESPN Plus, actually buy the pay-per-view on ESPN Plus. For those outside of America, it is the only place where you can buy UFC pay-per-views, at least until the end of 2025. We'll see what happens with the new deal. And I was getting a ton of complaints. Our own Shaheen Alshadi said that he had to go to Hulu. I didn't even know you could buy the pay-per-view on Hulu. Could you buy it on Disney Plus too? Maybe. Chuck Mindenhall said the same. Anyway, MMA Fighting got this statement from ESPN, quote, unfortunately, we experienced a technical issue that impacted purchases of the UFC pay-per-view on ESPN Plus shortly after 10 p.m. Eastern our teams identified and resolved the issue restoring full functionality ahead of the main event we

apologize for the inconvenience and are taking steps to ensure a better experience in the future they they are playing UFC 313 in case you want to watch it 2 plus subscribers at no additional charge right now, but of course if you were trying to buy the pay-per-view on Saturday that doesn't help much. But I did notice that it was right there available like where all the live stuff is if you go on the app it's at the top. Did they happen to acknowledge the fact that it only plays for two minutes if you're watching on your phone and then the the app crashes? Did they happen to acknowledge the fact that it only plays for two minutes if you're watching on your phone and then the

The app crashes that they happen to mention that Golly, you know chill and I built that thing with our hands off our backs We didn't we didn't account for that I mean no help on that one. No, no help on that one. How much snow did you have to walk through? We had to walk up a hill 300 yards! Oh man. I've got to crack my jaw right now, Frank. What do I do?

Do it. You have a mute button. Oh yeah, but then the look sounds weird. You might as well get the payoff of the crack. Just go ahead and do it. Ah, I couldn't get it. Ah, that's a bad one. I thought this was members only, the jaw cracking. Frank, not now. We have a very important guest. You're all waiting for this round three. He returns to action on the 29th of March at the AO arena in Manchester, England. We had him in studio prior to what we thought was going to be the original meeting between KSI and himself.

That didn't come to fruition. We had him in studio before the Logan Paul matchup in October of 2023. Is he here? Is he actually here? Our old friend Dylan Dennis, is he in attendance? Ah, there he is, the bad boy. How are you, sir? Good to see you. Have a seat, have a seat. Thank you. I'm going to go home. I'm going to go home. I'm going to go home. Have a seat. Have a seat. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Bacalvas, your boy. I know. I was just with him. He's here? No, no. I was just with him. Okay. How are you?

How are you? Good, man. Man, you look good. Rock solid. I'm good. I was just training. Today? Yeah.

That's why you're late. Yeah. I wasn't late. You said you were late. They said, you know, it's rive 230. I thought you said the three o'clock when it's like later. No, okay. Talking to the mic, okay? Don't be shy. There it is. And you can move it up too if you want to get comfortable. I'm used to it, you know. You're used to being on mic. What? This is not high class? This is just put in a box.

How's life? How's life? Good, man. It's good to see you. Some people thought you wouldn't show up. I was getting some DM saying, oh, he's not going to show up. Why? I don't know why everybody keeps saying that. It's like crazy after one fight that I didn't show up.

The press conference, they thought you weren't going to show up. Showed up, but I did saw it, you know, I was traveling to London for one day. You didn't seem happy going there. No. You were saying a lot like he's not selling the fight. Why should I sell the fight?

I can't say too much because of the contract. Cause under contract, he even admitted to it saying that they made me sign something where I can't talk about the certain things. Why did you agree to that? Money, I guess. What are you going to do? You know, and he's not dumb. He doesn't want to get into a crazy beef with me. I said in the pre interview, I think it was right before we got to the face to face. We did like a face to face like this. I was like, if he says what he said about my dad to me. Yeah, I'm gonna kill so then in the face-to-face I asked him and he like straight up apologizing out like really scared. Oh really he said he didn't know is this coming out Yeah, it's gonna come out. Okay. Yeah, so then he apologized. He's I don't want to go a family's man

I want to go across lines and he was like really cordial So like he kind of set me up that day which is crazy because he was being so nice and being like weird and like I didn't want to start any because he didn't want to get into Altercations so that they want to let us get close But then he played us he played it really good because they checked us when we got on the stage for anything But then when we got out of the stage to go back to the way and he had put the thing in his pocket They didn't really check us and be watching security is holding his hands and when he's holding my hand he taps his arm to like go and hit me with the thing. This is crazy. You really broke this down. I know because I was watching everything and I wanted to get him too

so I wanted to get him too but the UFC when I was in negotiations with them that was one of the big things is how much trouble I bring how many things they do and they can't have that shit so So can we go and sucker punching? Yes, I have I mean doesn't look good, but we can get into that too. Yeah, we will but just about the the face I'll help this for you You know, it wasn't like a big shot. It sounded really loud So damn be fucking correct me Then I had no mark and I didn't see the footage or anything

I didn't know he had a pancake because I can't see that then until I got to the room and I was like man I'm the mark and I was so loud and I look I was like it was a fucking pancake and I was like no one Fuckin told me it was pancake day, but I was mad in the moment I got through like fucking sick security. You see he played the move right where he fucking made me put my head down Yeah They'll look at my security. I took down the watches look how far I got Look at my security. I took down the watches look how far I got From that because they when I took down if you see other guy on the ground I like double like he's fun like swirled up a half of all the skin is off because of this

Yeah, all the skin is off. That's crazy hurts. So why because they were roughing you up No, because so like when I was going forward when the guys should double like me I like kind of like hip them over and then they all like when I was going forward one of the guys should double leg me and I like kind of like hip them over and then they all like thought wild on us and then my knees get on the ground. To the point where it annoys you when you're training? Show me, show me. I mean this one is swollen and look. What do we got? What do we got? Oh yeah look at that. And this is a couple days and then swollen and then another. You should sue them. So that's another thing. Okay so I keep saying that he's happy that Logan's suing me.

I might sue him for assault and make him pay for the Logan case. Oh my god. I'll give that Uno reverse card. Well, that is... That would be the ultimate Uno reverse card. And no one would be like, hey, he's a bitch for suing me because you know what? Logan's suing me. He's saying, oh, I'm so happy you're going bankrupt and all this bullshit.

Now you're going to pay for it. He keeps saying that the reason why you are gonna show up this time Is cuz you need the money. What do you make of this? I think he's gonna see how much I need the money on the night I kept saying this before Is that true? No, I have a lot of money, you know By the way, by the way, I was expecting I was I was expecting some outlandish statements So we brought back the the lie counter Yeah, you brought back. So does that one count? No, we're gonna make one of the richest people in Manhattan

I mean it had to be I'm It's a lot of people in Manhattan. We were a top 15 top 15 I think I think we need to put it on the board. We gotta check. What? Yeah, check this my net worth now be putting on Google my network. This is a hundred million hundred million Yeah, if you Google my network right now depends on the website. Yeah I gotta wait Google. I gotta help you on the website Dylan Dennis net worth Dylan Dennis network, it says Put another one on the board there No, I have but it just said I mean they said they're setting your one the richest

journalists so two million yeah we have we have it you're one the richest people and I'm in MMA in MMA I mean the tallest midget I mean what am I at that point what are we talking about here no it's true you know it's so crazy to actually the other day it's good to your eyes by the way yeah no usually usually you wear the glasses yeah sometimes I take them off when I look at you I appreciate it thank you oh someone in the gym I watch I'm not gonna say names I don't want to interrupt uh whatever but uh he said that he was helping you are holding me yes Chris and he actually said I'm not joking he aerial actually he's really good I swear to God thank you and you

know I don't compliment I appreciate it I was like Twice a week he says that you're actually your hands. I'll tell you about the left hand He just said that you he was like he's like he's like you want to intrude your space. He's actually very respectful He's a bum Tony. He's actually really good. I think you're fucking me. I thought you were joking. Were you impressed? Yeah, new alarm. Are you surprised? I was like, yeah, can we go spar or whatever? He's like, I don't know. He said the ultimate is him coaching me to spar you that'd be all yeah Would you do it? Yeah, you Think that goes I Have no fucking I don't know

Body shot with your break. It's the ferocity. It's the first How many pay-per-views you think we could sell me and you yeah My name is million. So like with you follow like extra 50,000. Okay. Yeah Okay back to it's case. I'm not trying to fight you that we should do that. That would be fun Do you roll come on do it? No, no, I just barred me. No, I say wait roll like jujitsu You can do we do anything. Yeah, I'm not I'm not I'm not that good. You actually I think you would I would know You would try to like as you'll hook me. No, I would never tear my ligaments never do that I don't hear you that much. I appreciate have banter. You know, what about Alex?

Man, I knew that he wasn't get taken down. I was 100% with that. 0 for 12. 0 for 12. I knew that was gonna happen. The one thing that surprised me, obviously, I'm- I can't talk because I'm not Alex, you know what I mean? And I'm not the fucking best striker in UFC right now. But uh, he just looked gunshot at me. Danny, I don't know, in your opinion- He wasn't as aggressive. He was on the back foot. He wasn't- he wasn't just like letting it go like in my opinion I thought to play a little bit and he thought that was supposed to see him on Wednesday I think it is but um, I think there's now that he has so much confidence in the wrestling that he didn't get taken down He's in the throw more the next fight

So I think that maybe it was just a confidence in the wrestling, you know Because after the first round I noticed when he asked Glover like how do I do in the tape on the fence and then maybe that was in his head like okay if I throw I'm gonna get taken down so I think this time now that he knows that he can't take him down that he's gonna come in and throw. How was he looking? You were there with him right? I knew he was not getting taken down. He was banging and sparring like he's a fucking beast. He's actually one of the strongest people I ever felt felt that whole life. He's crazy how strong he is and yeah, no, he's awesome I fucking love training with there you are going toe-to-toe with the man

Yeah, do you go full on with him or is it just kind of yes? I don't post that yeah There's certain things like even the grappling and all that stuff like when we did small glues we're not posting that you know Obviously for getting ready for the fight, but we do a bunch of rounds together. He's your team I don't know but I go there a lot. I know Polenio since Marcelo. That's how I got into that whole thing. So I used to train, well, obviously, you know, Marcelo and Polenio was like a bigger guy

and I really wanted to train with him, but I would train with him all the time. He's really good. And he really liked me. We made a good friendship and then ended up training with Alex. Will he corner you for this fight He might actually we're not sure yet. I still have a team. Yeah I don't know yes last time it was like last minute. No just fucking yeah It was what it was in this I didn't want a box again to be honest with you

I hate but like I'm not in the sense like I hate boxing like I'm so good you did to and grappling like I don't Want a box again, and then they came at me with this and I said like no man Because I have the other fights coming up and then they just kept pushing the money up pushing money up And what are we getting for this a lot more than a milli? Yeah, it would be more any any pay-per-view. Yeah pay-per-view to last so it could be more than they could be right Yeah, that's a fucking is that it fucking hurts me because that was 1.3 million and and you got a fix amount I know why did you say why did you say yes? They said basically you don't say yes to this

We're not going with you, but you sold the shit out of that for better or worse exactly and I know I'm getting too Yes, so fucked up. So do you end up making zero from that fight? Not zero, but you know I mean a lot of money But still not what if I would have had 50 cents or a dollar on the baby You would have been you know what she got and kiss I got when they're ready billionaires or whatever the fuck they are Yeah, so fucked up. Okay. Well where do people at like? Anybody would cared about that fight if it wasn't for me like these fights like Logan and KSI like depends on who they're fighting like

Obviously the Mike Tyson for Jay Paul Jay Paul and Perry did 20,000 paper views or 30,000 or something like that So no one really that low go over and I'm saying got the fact checker Okay, but based on who like big one can Like based on who? You want to say that now? When you check my net worth you didn't say based on who? These are reputable sites. I don't know per Wrestling Observer I don't know. So it says twenty twenty thirty thousand so like no one cares about them unless you have like certain angles and certain stuff that's why it's so boring I don't want to fight a London one KSI is not fucking promoting not doing shit. Why is he not promoting it? Because he doesn't want to fight the London when KSI is not fucking promoting not doing shit why is he not promoting it because he doesn't want to get into that shit with me because he doesn't want to open the door

that he was won't open the door and I'm under contract so I will get sued I'm gonna break this down more for you because they go there it's very deep please give water yeah could we get could get purchase like air be drink water I don't want to give you my own I don't want to get the cooties What oh you want to Celsius, please go ahead? I forgot I have that what oh, but it's warm No, it's just J Paul shit isn't oh yeah, just turn it backwards do whatever you want with it Oh, you don't have Red Bull. It's real shit. No, that's that's our sponsor. Oh Gatorade where's that from? It's the best hydration drink oh you're going they're bringing you a cold one

So there's a whole thing that is going behind this and I'm not supposed to talk about it But fuck it with any idea Logan is really upset. Why why because the KSI took this fight Why would he be upset? I think because then I got the platform again to talk about Logan Okay, I'm gonna say it because of the mall and stuff and because of what was it um I forgot what it was there was a another reason he was like really really mad but apparently I know that he was so mad that he was threatening to take all KSI shares out of prime and like do all this shit how can he do that I don't know there was something going on behind I don't know exactly because I want to hear things and then you know I

know he was really upset and then for me... Now you got it. Now you started. Well basically they're trying to make me sign another contract where I'm not allowed to mention even Logan's name or DeZone can sue me. Not even Logan's name. Just Nina. Logan's name and DeZone will sue me in the ESPN if they do fight. So there's like a whole thing like I'm not allowed to talk about anything like I'll be sued again. By who? By DeZone? I think it's DeZone and Logan might because like I don't know because they don't want I mean they have some kind of shit. So confusing. Let me ask you about the clause in the contract. He doesn't want you to say anything about him like you can't talk

I don't know where the line is. The original one I signed? Yeah, yeah, you signed. It's certain things They put that I can't talk like about his family life. I don't want to get too excited. Gotcha. Gotcha Um, yeah, there's a lot of things up, but there's like a whole list that I can't talk like talk about Wow, and you agreed to this? I agreed to it because at the end of the day it's like, okay I mean fuck him. I'm making a bunch of money anyway, and It is what it is like I don't need to go down that route every single time. You know what I mean? And then for me I have so many ways I can promote a file. I don't need to... It wasn't like... But there hasn't been like... There was the one tweet...

Because he doesn't... He's not engaging. And I said it in the face-to-face with me and him did the face-to-face. Me and you would have a better face-to-face. Like I swear to God, like he can't talk. It's so bad. It was so boring. Even my security was like What was that like the disowned people were like we're texting ma'am's right now Like you were selling this fight and he is not doing anything like it was so boring Like he with the jokes and everything he was just saying like, you know, I'm a guy sorry

Like they're so fucking boring when you ask me like, oh, I think like, you know today I'm gonna come in and I'm changing Hard for like six years whatever he was just so boring. It was just it was just terrible like I even said to him the thing I was like Logan was way funner to do this with like we were going back and forth He has some banter there you go water and he got a Celsius My back yeah near Craig he loves you Yeah, so it was so boring I was like I'm gonna go all the way to London and talk to this fucking wall You know it was fucking terrible, but uh Yeah, I was fucking bullshit bullshit but I have Tony coming

up who's gonna be fun because I have some shit on Tony that I was talking about and he's gonna be fun to talk about. There's no there's no contracts there. No no no. How does that work though with GFL? Did you have to get GFL to sign up? So I knew about the KSI before I signed with GFL. And they were like yeah it's fine because just more promotion for our company and everything's good. But it's close close right because he told me May 11th Yeah, I think it's gonna be in May 11th or 23rd, but somewhere in May isn't that too too quick Um, I think the weight is a little bit of issue. So it's 85 and 65. Yeah, I mean 65 Yeah, and Tony is so fucking annoying with that shit. You guys say GFL guy

He will have been he even said he was like every day you're gonna be the hardest to work With you the easiest like it was said we said we want they won Tony fight everybody won Tony fight You helped me with that which I thank you. Um You know I was like, yeah, but so and he was like, what do you want to do the weight? I said, you know 170 probably he fought 170 last that's probably even and Tony was like no like 165 like He keeps going you when you talk to me. He's going back to high school He's like, this is varsity and they Jv guy has to come down in my weight like this bullshit They're like, it's three pounds. It's like why are you doing this? And then he was like no, he has to go 65 I'm not fighting him. So like he wouldn't even do any catch weight or anything. So I was like, you know what fuck it

It's Tony for a reason. He's gonna be easy fighting. You want to jet the cut the weight That's gonna be the hardest fight and then they go down there, but it really think will be easy Yeah, they'll be easy thinking he thinks he talks like he's fucking Good I don't want to go too hard on why why why he sounded good when we spoke to him last week like no you don't think so yeah he does sound a little bit clarity and do you know that what he has really bad mental issues I don't know I know yeah so he has bad I don't want you know he tried killing his family and wife now No, stop it. You can Google it right now. There's 911 calls. Right, right. But I mean, that's a personal issue.

Yes. So he's not mentally there. So several years ago too, right? You know why he fired Paradigm? I do not know. What was it? Cause of the Connor stuff? No, because he won MLB contract. He wanted them to try him a trial for the Major League baseball. That's why he signed with some MLB kind of guy now. Now Lloyd, Lloyd is big time. Yeah I know but he thinks he he actually thinks he could make it to the Major Leagues. Right. Like that's all

we're talking about like someone that's that crazy that actually thinks he can make it to the Major Leagues. Are you more motivated for that fight than you are the KSI fight? I love him and it's Tony Ferguson. Right. Like you know I mean at the end of the day like Axel Braun said to me, Axel Braun said he was like it's Tony Ferguson doesn't matter like if the losing shake Whatever it's a big win and the reason this all happened was because of the UFC So what the nigga, you know a little bit about I feel by the way I feel like I'm conducting a bad interview here because we're going a million different directions

No, no many things are going on and we haven't talked in a long time. Yes No, we have it our last chat was we got all the time in the world Our last chat was November of 2023 when you came to our New York show. Yeah, just fine. You were Parents people were crazy. Was that the first time you met action by the way in the action since I was young I was 21 in Vegas and we have the same tattoo artist and I was a big fan of Ash Bronson And we were going to a club and GSP was actually there and he let me stay at his table He had a performance that was the first time we met and then I met him again

when I played at I don't know if you've seen it I played at a CC Sabathia's oh the baseball yes yes we played again and he remember he was like oh you're the kid that was at the table and we kept in contact since and he's he's like I was trying to take credit for your friendship with him but I know it's fine okay so what why why did you why have you been so quiet? Like so that was November of 2023, you didn't fight all of 2024 and here we are mid 2025 you're fighting. Why was 2024 a wash after the Logan fight? What sense of the fighting or? Yeah you didn't. I wanted it with the UFC. So that was what your plan was for 2024 and what happened? So basically we never got to Dana. Dana apparently

is the kind of guy that would be like oh yeah we're gonna sign you yes 100% and then Hunter comes in. Or you know, I went to the UFC, which one was it? It might have been Pereira, which one was the last in... Right after the Logan fight and when Logan was there, which fight was that? It was in MSG. Oh, MSG? Yeah, it was the next night. Oh yeah, oh yeah. The one Stephen Giana got hurt in an... I saw the matchmaker. What's his name?

Bick Maynard? No, the other one. Sean Shelby. Sean Shelby. Yeah. No, Bick Maynard. You're right, sorry. The taller guy.

Yeah, yeah, the taller guy. And he came to me, he was like, we saw the pop in the crowd from you, and we were gonna sign, we wanna sign you, we need to talk or something like that. And I was like, I don't know, you can't say that.

And I was like, mean it. Like, he was bullshitting me. He was like, no, he's like, this reaction like this reaction from the crowd so I was like alright we're in and then it came down to we're talking to Hunter and Hunter was just basically like now this guy just caused this trouble he's gonna like cause too much trouble and we don't want that he's too controversial with all this stuff and I don't know like the exact words I have all the messages but um basically just saying that I'm gonna go in and make all this like hoo-ha and not fight or something like that and he's saying like I need to prove that I'm gonna fight in MMA because I just too much of a liability if I hit someone on stage or all this stuff and I'm like then they you guys want that even though I'm not

gonna do that because like these side shows are like kind of they're known for being a circus and me doing that and so it came down to where he was like we want you to fight we want you to fight did you know prove that you're an MMA fighter so then the ultimate fighter was coming up and I said put me on the So it came down to where he was like, we want you to fight. We want you to fight to prove that you're an MMA fighter. So then the ultimate fighter was coming up and I said, put me on the ultimate fighter. Was that the one with Connor? No, this is the one. You know about this.

I think you talked to John about it. This is the one that is DC now and- Oh, chill. For this one. How crazy is that? And that would have been fucking pure cinema. Think about that. And they were like, we're trying to bring it back on the entertainment side and you have certain fighters and have guys

are like one and oh and two and oh and they're all I know they're terrible and they were like no we don't want to do it like you just so you were willing to go through the ultimate fire crazy stay in the house yes 100% Kimbo s 100% and how it would have been the best numbers they had like especially my banter or DC I think would have been brilliant I think would have been and I'm willing to show I'm gonna fight three or four guys whatever to get into the UFC How would I not like you know what I mean? And Hunter was just like you know dude like he's gonna go in the house make the most trouble and then not fight

It's the same thing that all they break like says it was like so fucking annoying. You would have made people actually watch I know Chail have a great relationship and then they had Colby on there and all the beef I have all the fighters and all this stuff And I'm taking the heat that they didn't I'm taking no money for that. I don't do they make money I don't know do it. I don't know maybe like some small. Yeah, I'm taking a pay cut willing to show that I'm just this is how bad I want to be in the UFC because Not saying like I'm banging but I want to at this point in my career. I want to show them the best That's it. That's why I want to fight. I mean, obviously Tony is the view a former UFC champion I'm to and all but I'm gonna them the best. That's it. That's why I want to fight I mean, obviously Tony is a former UFC champion. I'm 2-1-0, but I'm gonna fight the best guys

I want to go in there and see if I'm the best at this point in my career But um, yeah, so that happened. Did it get close? Hunters tough. I mean, I don't really speak to him face to face. No, it's just John's all to my phone And why didn't you you know, I should have a Sloan to Vegas and like wait to the office I do that but then I didn't want to be like that guy. I don't want to be like a little beggar. But Dana kept like the other day online was like, Dana's why you're not in the UFC? Like so he does like this stuff. So I think after it be Tony or whatever fights, I think we could.

What's the deal with GFL like? Like how many fights? It's three fights and I think. But so you have to fulfill them now? No, you don't. I don't think you. I mean, I don't know how exactly the contract is but we'll see how that works You know, I mean, I don't know where you were you bummed when this didn't come to fruition I mean the ultimate fire thing was kind of just like I Know it's gonna be great TV. I never really want them in the house It's gonna suck

I knew it was gonna be a man that's all the first thing to hate me and I did but I was like man the fuck I didn't know was DC in jail at the time This is just one it was coming up with and I was like, but whoever it is gonna be great banters gonna be great TV Everyone's gonna watch it and we were in play go I respect him. He's fucking going through the ultimate fighter house Yeah playing guys there as level whatever and it happened So I guess you don't always get what you want, you know sure but this was always like a dream of yours, right? Oh, yeah, I don't want to see of course I mean who doesn't you know?

I want to prove on the best like I know I could beat These guys like watching general tearing gets happen even though after the retirement was really sad But these these weight classes they're so bad. Do that triangle was so bad But this is watching like so many of these fighters. I just can't wait to fight him man I hate fighting boxing you haven't fought since 2019. I know you had the two knee surgeries And why not take another fight like even if it's a or something that was gonna be the next round do something like that Just get a couple wins. Yeah, that's what UFC basically ultimately wants but like I'm just risking a lot for nothing. But then you're stuck in this position where you're not doing anything I know it would suck too. Yes, I guess you're right. I don't know. I mean

Yeah, I don't know. I the UFC's lacking stars. I feel like without me I don't know. I I know I feel like I would like when Ben Asher came in and that whole fucking spectacle happened it would be the same as that thing I think it would be bigger so how do you feel about GFL like do you feel the jury's kind of still out yeah I hear they're paying really well to everyone but you know way more than right but that's that's a bit of a red flag because if you're paying everyone way more than they were making and and you don't have a TV deal or anything that money's going to dry. I'm sure they're getting the TV deal.

I mean, the guy Darren, have you ever talked to him? Yeah, Darren, of course. Yeah, he's a solid guy. I talked to him and he sounds like he has everything perfect. I mean, just talking to the guy, he sounds like he knows what he's doing. He's been in the mail a long time. He's been telling me about all the certain deals. I can't talk about but I hope it goes Well, it's perfect for me

I mean I came with the fight Tony's gonna be so fun like just talking shit to him and getting in under skin and then Fighting him and I think it's gonna do the best pay-per-view They have right I think it's the biggest fight they can make and then think after that it's gonna be a little bit tough to Sell pay-per-views, but it's just my opinion other than Tony. Let's say you have three fights there Who are the three probably Pettis? Oh wow, and then probably? three fights there who are the three probably Pettis oh wow and then probably what's the guys name Tiger no I mean Kevin Lee Kevin Lee for his name was it Tiger Lee no no Kevin Lee Motown Penal yeah people want the Aqaba part oh because of the whole thing but I was like is that being a rather funny you're

former champions I get worried sometimes like you you say these things like you were talking about on Kalaev these things like you were talking about uncle live on Saturday Yeah, you start talking about the Dagestani's and so like you it's very Training my gym and what do you say? there was a kid that had a picture of me when he went to Dagestan they they kicked him out of the gym and So, you know out back and then another Russian kid they came he took it He had a picture of me and like everybody was saying kill me She's yeah, they fucking hate you do not feel like does this come to you when you're in the streets?

Do people come up to you? Not that many Dagestanis are there. No, but I don't know. You're walking around. You're in the... I mean, I get like, you know what's crazy? I don't really get too much hate. It's actually a lot of love, like even from like the Muslim community.

Really? I'm anti-Muslim, which is crazy. I'm not. But yeah, I get a lot of love. I mean, there's never been a guy that's like, I mean, maybe once or twice I say something from far away, but they wouldn't like say it to my face. Right. But maybe there's like some kind of fire they try to get security 24 7 sometimes. Yeah, but not like not just like, uh, depends on like the day like I'm going somewhere and we're going something. Yeah for sure. Like in London has it quieted down a little bit. No, dude, still crazy. Yeah, really?

I mean people like even just like when I go and see my mom up there It's like crazy. So like all over even in London. So it's always good You know, I feel like I'm one of the bigger names than the man. So this way it is I saw when when Armin pulled out of the Islam fight you I was ready to go I'm really ready to do it where to go in my life I would fight as long easily on on 24 hours notice here. I made days notice it much You're too stupid doesn't matter when it could be I'm gonna show I'm like now I have the Tony for you

Whatever Tony be all those guys mug Muggle Chandler in the UFC. You know he has two wins is hooker and then Tony Ferguson so he's four and five so therefore or no he's three two wins you said yeah So we just what two and four two and five okay, so Two wins you said? Yeah so we what? Two and four? Two and five. Okay. So Patti Pimlin last fight was Tony Ferguson like so we're gonna see you know I guess I have to prove it I'm happy to. Like when you see a guy like Patti getting all this love now. He's terrible. You get jealous? No because I don't get jealous because I know what I bring. I just need the platform. Right. You know what I mean like people want to see me fight it's kind of hard when they're not giving me the opportunity to fight and I understand like even the guys in their company Are all saying do it like every single fighter was like why not bring him in?

Okay, if he loses you got another star if he wins, you got a big star What what what's down the performance against Logan hurt your stock? I mean in a sense but like you throw any single MMA fighter if you put Islam or you put Khabib into it Like a boxing match. They're not gonna it's MMA striking is totally different than pure boxing and everybody that in MMA knows that or in boxing There was that like it's just a no thing Dana Wayne knows it You know their names have before we have a grappler fighting dog and like oh my god who like I think I did really good For being just a pure grappler that is and we do that much striking. You know, why didn't you throw more? There's a lot of things I went to that fight. Maybe for Rogan.

Oh stop. I had a lot of demons and stuff and I still do have really bad stuff going on but I mean. Like what? Just stuff going on in my life you know. You know a little bit about it I guess but yeah I mean I regret it and it was a really rough really rough. You regret the performance or you regret? The performance elite and the training leading up to it. Okay. Did you not did you not train seriously? No No, and yeah, I got really bad after look. Oh really the aftermath. Yeah, really bad I think they talked to you about it a little bit but privately. Yeah mean you talked about yeah Yeah, but like I got that. Yeah. What does that mean?

alcohol is it is it because like you felt so shitty about the performance shitty just let myself down and yeah You know, you don't want to be I could have beat him I know I could beat him, you know, and that's the worst thing is I'm a camera chance at it and It's boxing. It is what it is. I beat him in the real fight like is like in life because like, you know I out to him pretty bad. I can't talk to the lawsuit But yeah, it is what it is man and I regret regret that build-up like was it was it worth it? I think I mean I don't say I think I know I Won the lawsuit like it but just like now look at the aftermath look at what the stress I lost a lot of friends too because they subpoenaed like everybody in my they subpoenaed me

I know do you have the list to have the list of what who they subpoenaed? No, no, they one day I've just never happened to me. Yeah, it happened to Schultz too. Rang my doorbell. This guy said, are you Ariel Hawani? I said, yes. Gave me a thing and said, you're being served, or whatever they say. They thought, maybe I showed you something

behind the scenes or some shit. They asked for all this stuff, but the thing was, it was just, I was kind of, at first I thought I was getting sued. I've never had this happen to me before. And then I went through it and I asked my neighbor, who's a lawyer, and he's like, no, they're just asking for the, the unedited footage.

Oh, but it was all live. Yeah. It was all live. It was all live. There was nothing on it. So basically at this point with them, I think I could say this is that they're not finding anything that shows that I like have right act their phone or anything. So they're just looking for anything, you know? So where does it stand now? Right now we're still in like the before the trial you still yeah What is the trial supposed to be trying to get it started?

I don't know they're still doing like some peanuts, and they're still talking to people they're doing there's so many people there said peanut It's crazy and have you tried to just settle and yeah They don't want to because Logan knows just like you know you've been part of like a no no also No, it's just fucking the longer you do it the boat the lowers again paid by the hour So it was like she's so they're trying to suck you out. So yeah, and then there are lowers again But man money, so they're probably like okay It was just keep pushing subpoena everybody And pay by the hour to buy this billionaire kid that doesn't try to protect have you guys tried to come up with some sort?

Of settlement. Oh, I'm sure there's been in there. I don't know. We'll see I mean if it happens I can't how stress how how stressful is all this terrible showing up the court and sitting there and doing all that stuff and like I think the court to know it's just me just you yeah And then their lawyers are like up there screaming like this is a not the octagon This is our fight and like going at me and I'm like sitting there like this is fucking crazy But yeah, it's fucking so that's why I asked Do you regret doing it because look what it turned into? I? Feel like I don't regret it. I mean it was worth it was a great build up It was one of the biggest build ups of the whole time. I know you didn't get the pay-per-view points

No, that you are right on that one that does hurt really bad, but uh why did you do it? Because everything was true, and I like I was trying I was trying to help the kid you know I feel bad I was trying to help the kid dude and like At the end of the day, he's gonna thank me, you know, he will thank me. You think so. Why what is that? What is there to be thankful for I can't I'm being sued. Yes Okay, much on you can't talk. Okay, but he will thank me one day. He hates me now Yes, and he he is in the background of the UFC. I'm pretty sure that he's the one talking to the UFC He won't let me go to WWE events.

WWE wanna do stuff with me. And then he- Really? Dude, he's like- He's got you banned. Dude, he hates me so much. Like, he's trying to get me out of everything. Like, that's how much he hates me.

So you think he's telling UFC not to sign you? I don't know, maybe not directly, but he probably got the kid fucking, you know, he's definitely in the air and Prime is a big- Because sponsorship. Maybe you can say, if you sign that kid, I'm pulling Prime, I don't know how much definitely in the ear and prime is a big because maybe you can say If you sign that kid I'm pulling prime. I don't know how much they pay right you don't know that we don't know that and you Try to go to WWE events, and you're not welcome after that Rey Mysterio won the next one They were just like oh like is there a bit weird about it. You know well

No, it's so fucking annoying to is like not to get like fucking cocky as fuck, but I am cocky as fuck Yeah, no one gives me the fucking due respect that I deserve like when I go to the events The UFC fans they got these now they got these jujitsu guys on the screen like and stuff like that And like they made me pay for tickets when I'm the one that brought you to a one I never no one was talking shit you remember back then when no one was talking shit when I started all that stuff with Gordon and I brought you to Up in the fucking scene and then all the stuff I happened with Nadeem and then Connor and then all this all these huge events that happened and like I go to a UFC fan

It's like oh put him in the corner make sure he doesn't fucking come close to anybody It was treatment like shit Or if I go to any of these fucking things and then they put these fucking scribes on the TV and they're doing all this And like give everybody all this off when I get the one that brings all the hype when I go So it just fucking pisses me the fuck off. I get it. You know about that by the way the fight pass invitation Maybe that's the route. So that's another thing. I caught a good who runs it. Yeah, like me very much. Oh, yeah, why not? What's up about that? Oh But uh, they don't want to do MMA fighters that are doing jujitsu

But you're more jujitsu, but they're they're like trying to be strict and make it like only jujitsu guys They don't want to have crossovers You know, I mean is jujitsu at a point now that maybe it's best for you like I was saying this to someone like maybe that gets your mojo back I know that's what I was thinking because back then it wasn't like it was now. No but now you got CJI Yeah, you like what he's doing Craig? Yeah, it's cool. Are you cool with him? Yeah, I was supposed to be in it. What happened? Um, I was just it was not worth it for me to come back with them the money wise and then I wanted ADCC wanted to have me to help the numbers beat them yeah so then that was gonna happen and then it was just I wasn't really grappling any schools I don't want just jump in and be like okay

let's go high-level grappling when I'm not training it but uh but there's one championship now doing that yeah I'm fun so it's MMA yeah I want to be champion is what eventual you're not giving up on the goal. I know I could do it. You think you think though because I can't wait for someone to beat me. I want to see it. No one could beat me I really believe that but they're stubborn like if they say no sometimes They will stick to it. It never said no, okay You know, you never said no even when they asked him on that podcast You never said no even when they asked me he doesn't say no

He just says like I like he just causes him with trouble, you know, and the thing is when he When they were in New York, I was like just have a meeting with me Yeah, if you sit down and talk to me and you get to know me I'm totally different person than what you think is, you know Obviously when I'm fucking about to go fight someone and we're all pumped up and you know I'm talking shit at a press conference is different than sitting down talking to me and you talking sure sure totally different than So they didn't want to do that. said no, not a chance something like that and then He made like a sly comment like go to BK FC or something like that. Really? Yeah, I didn't see that

No, he like oh, this is privately damn so they that might be another thing. I don't know you would do that No, no, no, I mean fuck it. I know one day maybe what about PFL? Have you talked to them? No, they were they were in negotiations when we were talking with GFL, but GFL was offering some good money. Way more. Yeah. I mean, as long as everything goes through.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I get to play Tony at the end of the day, so I really don't care about the money I have money. But yeah, obviously I do care about the money. They better pay me. But the Tony play is gonna be awesome. I can't wait. So you mentioned Logan potentially blocking from UFC and I would do

But it's not it's not easy you have to be on you have props he's he's really good He's athletic, but you know, you're old-school. Yeah guy in like him and ash that this he does He's not the kind of guy that's on the road every day doing like the hard work fucking traveling doing all this right? He's great at what he does, but he came in as a star Yeah So but like he like he doesn't get the same respect as like the guys that fucking put in the work You don't think he has respect in the back 100% I know I triple H I swear when I went to the thing I said this at the Logan thing They told me like dude they like pick on them and like give him wedgies and shit

I swear they give him like swirlies in the back No, but they don't respect them They they were they were telling me like you know like no one likes him and I'm not gonna say names because I want to start be sure sure But like the higher up guys they like to hate him like you despise him No, like when you see him I not the kind of person that like hates him like I want him to die You know what I mean? He probably wants me to die If he was falling in the water and I was only one there you like I'm I don't think I would not like you know I mean, I'm not the kind of person to hold that because in the fight build up the fight game, but you know

You've been this how many fucking years do you know? You've been yeah fight games a fight game is you know, it's pretty funny like Mike Tyson bit off but like Was his name Holyfields here and now their friends like right it's a fight game You know this it is what it is, you know Roberto ran when I sugar ray Leonard's girl and whatever it is what it is after, know, Roberto ran when I sugar ray leonard's girl and whatever it is what it is after You know before I got the punishment like chel said when everybody was mad at me Brazil was the man of me I got the punch in whatever me and him fought we settled it and that's it So I don't know how he's gonna keep holding on to this and I think he's just trying to save You know with the girl I can what about what about?

Inauguration day. There's your friend. I knew it. There's your mentor. It's crazy. Conor McGregor. No, I know. I was just looking. Oh yes, this one, this one right here. What are you thinking when you see this? Talking on this now actually,

cause we just talked. You and Conor? Yeah. Okay. But at the time, yeah, I was upset. I'm not gonna throw two bones about it. I mean, yeah, I was upset. Maybe I over gonna do two bones. I mean, yeah, I was upset Maybe I over not overreacted but like posted some stuff on your stories

I'm not a story which is kind of like felt like I don't know. I was I was upset. I was so what betrayed we think it was hard for me to feel that way because Connor isn't that kind of person and like People don't understand that because they see Connor as Connor don't understand that he's a human Yeah, and they mean him have a really close like human relationship. Yeah, so I know Connor is a human He's a loyal like he's the most have your back most loyal fucking Solid like him and say how many things he's done for me like that people don't know about him Like, you know how close you are as friends So that's why I couldn't like I had to be you know, obviously they're in the Trump thing so he can't be like you know too crazy

obviously Maybe I got upset because on Twitter and like texting and like I went to the gym and like the young kids in the gym We're like your boy fucking it look at these hang with your enemies like how do you feel about that when he had his back and like everybody was just going at me going at me and I think I kind of got my own head and I didn't talk to him at the time and And I said this when I was in Manchester I said like, you know, this shouldn't be taken out on social media like I didn't I didn't post anything about it like

Directly and we should talk to it and talk about it as friends, you know And actually we did and it weren't really well and you know, everything's good. Okay, but yeah, I mean I can't lie even Especially Jake I kind of understand it's me Jake have a beef you know beef is beef but like Logan's trying to ruin my life and right and trying to take money from Mike his mouth my Whole family's mouth every single day and he's been through lawsuits so he knows what it's like to be a suey like it sucks like it fucking sucks and They like that's why it kind of hurt is like you kind of like laughing giggling with the guy That's like really fucking ruining my fucking life You know and to be honest with you the way we talked and with the way we handled it

It was I'm so you told him this and he was receptive me it meant he's a human being I know and you know what at the end they like I'm I Jumped the gun a little bit, you know, cuz like he's at the Trump thing He can't it's not he's a kid like headbutt the fucking guy, you know And there's obviously things that went into it and maybe you know He was thinking to like like he was thinking about me at the exact time of that Like, you know, there's a lot of things and he has a lot of things on his mind But all I gotta say is that we talked about it

It was really it wasn't perfect and you know, we talked out like friends do you know not online and like that kind of stuff We just talked about it. We said how we feel in it and we move on, you know, will he be at the fight? He's a little place. I don't know why don't you train with him for these fights? You didn't yeah, I was looking for a set up a camp for me in Ireland. What happened? I Was just in a bad place man. I yeah leading up to it. Yeah I had a kid and I was in a bad place and still like just dealing with certain things I didn't had the chance to go out there But uh, yeah, no, I would love to train with them for you know, especially for the Tony fight, too

But uh, we talk all the time and we talk all every day like everybody says like you guys are like, oh he has post You know, I guess I'm talking like dude We fucking call each other like if someone's gone all my kid and I'd be like, hey, yeah Yeah, this would like people always think that like he's not a human for some reason like everybody just be like, oh like he portrayed you He did this he did this only do like he's like a human to like you taught him and like say like hey This hurt my feelings like, you know, dude is a fucking human and you know him too So yeah, he's actually one of the best people I ever met And yeah, I was upset about it

And he understood where I came from and we talked it out and it was all good But uh, yeah, hope he comes up. I that'd be awesome, you know, it seemed like he was trying to get the Logan fight Yeah, I mean, how would you feel about that? Yeah he was trying to get the Logan fight yeah I mean how would you feel about that yeah you know it's just like it's it's right there yeah I guess I mean good for him I don't know I mean he would obviously kill Logan um obviously I want to sell the beef you know and we promised each other that may fight and I think after I'd lose I mean after and that's it go back after he loses the lawsuit I think it would be a good fight after um, but yeah, I mean you think it's possible I Think with turkey anything's possible turkey. Yeah, like you think he comes in I think because now with the boxing thing

Yeah, I don't know with other stuff. I mean, I can't really speak too much on it I know things but like I'm saying I can't talk about it But I mean, I don't know if Dana Dana's pretty strict, you know, I don't know I don't know what what would happen but could be anywhere that fight. Yeah, but Dana has to approve it, you know Not nice. I mean he doesn't he doesn't work for UFC. I mean technically those Logan. No, I'm talking about Connor No, no, but I'm saying you versus oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, 100% Yeah Oh, yeah but now I just want to give me the platform because I did to his group but

Just pussy shit man Like I would love to fight him in a male boxing me And if I now like even working with the boxing coach a little bit like some of the things that Just yeah, I don't know. I'm the kind of guy that like people don't really know but like sometimes like the regret fucking really gets Me. Yeah bad deep down and that's why I had some problems with you know, are you still drinking? No, I haven't. When's the last time you drank? Seven eight months. Yeah, I went through a bad time and then I kind of is this the longest you've gone in a while Yeah, probably. Yeah, but I was I wasn't like drinking. I don't want I never have talked about this I was waiting for like not no fancy like

You're not getting on Rogan Now you're on Yahoo's bars is that is nice setup. We have here. No, it's it's all right Yeah, you know before reason bringing, you know, there's numbers. Oh, yeah. Listen, we're building it up We want still the number one podcast we went from a million subs to 250 So the number one by the way number one based on what from the MMA? Yeah 1.9 ESPN had more than that No one went. Yeah, I'll show you some from ESPN No, but we're done but we're done but different errors. Okay, fine. And now you're comparing that error to this area fired again So now put it up put it up put it up. There's another one. That's a lot. What fired again? What are you talking about? From where we're the

Waiting. Yeah, you didn't get far. Now you're back in here. What's back in here? This is new deal. This is a monstrous deal How do we get a picture? What do we have to make? Vierna still here? Yeah, that's that's that's one of your all-time moments That is a great one and I don't like the you deserve to be up here. Look at these legends sugar-ray letter Roberto Duran Muhammad Ali I bring you the numbers dude. It's not all about the numbers by the way 90% of those numbers were because of me But yeah, this is WWE you can't just make one sure sure you can't have one

Or you do to tango you are a great dancing partner. Sure. Thank you I do to bring the numbers. So that's why the only thing is bringing the number being cordial. So people remember that fuck this Yeah, why are you being so cordial? I was expecting some heat because I have good stuff on you. Oh No, I don't you posted a picture of me in a bikini I was her down I get it, you know, they in the corporate calls down to the little guys were like, yeah We own the show we own the show. Why'd you leave them? Cuz I didn't own it Yeah, but then I didn't own the show. Why'd you leave them? Cause I didn't own it. Yeah, but then they-

I didn't own that show. I didn't have anything. Now you own all the rights to these. Not only that, I own the YouTube channel. I own the footage. I own the IP. It's my name. It was like-

I feel like since I have the most views, I should be over here. You think you deserve it? Yeah. Which, what do we got? Who got over here? Who, who? Anthony Pettis, Daniel Cormier?

That's Cormier? Right here? That's Cormier right here. Yes. Yes Yes, stop it. That's a great painter. Yeah Great. I would toss him on his which clip should we show you throwing one of your nine punches at Logan or what about when you pulled? Guard wasn't that right? The pulling guard was great. But then but then the free more night, but I don't know I think you've seen that that's what the stats actually said Because they didn't count the back fist I don't watch the fight by the way, but you were fucking commenting. Yes, you're a comment commentating Yes, and that fucking guy is the worst fucking commentator and the whole fucking war

I hate that guy some of a message after which one the fucking guy that talks about everybody during all their fights It was Grisham and Coachman. There's one dude white dude fucking just always every fight he's just like, Oh, he's doing shit this fight. Like, you know what I'm talking about. Well, Grisham is the white guy. Yeah, he's a fuck. He's a fire. I'm going to work to get this on the fire. He's so bad.

I don't think he does misfits anymore. Yeah, exactly. You shouldn't because he's terrible. But you shouldn't be doing real boxing. Are you doing it? They like it? No. They haven't asked.

I'll get you. No, I'm bummed. I'm busy Misfits. No, I'm kidding. I love you. I love you The best person you ever got no you didn't we did that's crazy. You think it was better than Netflix Netflix That was big. That was big. That wasn't big. What do you mean? It was a big a hundred million people watch three fucking fight on Netflix You know, I'm gonna make Tyson It's a hundred my taste it could have fought a pigeon and they would have fucking I didn't make that number

Maybe stop it. I'm not saying it's because of him or because then I'm just saying the numbers because you freaking did you like it? Oh, stop with the balls ball. You know that how how how like this? What a visual can we get that a gift for that Lord. Now it's coming out. Now it is. Because you're... Why? Why'd you turn on me? No, you turned on me. Can I say, can I say... Dude, you did the nine punches and then now you're fucking...

Yeah, after you turned on me. You're like, why are you not gonna be on the ball? No, but literally. Okay, let me look. Can I look up the punch stats? No, because... Why? No, why do you always have to bring shit up? Why?

Because I don't have a computer. What? I'm looking up this... And the shit I have on you is so good. Oh, God. You know what? I'm not gonna bring it... I won't bring it up unless you go deeper. I'm not... Listen, I was actually thinking in the moment, I was like, is so good. Oh god. You know what? I I'm not gonna break it I won't break it all but let's you go deeper. I'm not listen. I was actually thinking in the moment I was like, this is actually kind of nice. No, no, this is good, but people don't like this So we gotta get the people what they want, right? Not really. We don't need to go in the gutter

I don't want you to get fired. Oh god I don't know we're gonna go after this. Maybe I'll hire you after the- that would be good for whatch media company? Be Dillon Dance Productions Yeah, okay How come you you don't do the thing with the tweets anymore, which one you know the one Yes, because now they fucking have these community nodes and no community Know it have you ever done it? Yeah, it's disrespectful I'm giving away someone fucking $10,000 for fucking liking something and I'm getting community noted so fuck those have you ever done it? Yeah, dude, it's and you were trying to say it's bullshit mr. Beast and all these guys are saying hey if you subscribe to my channel you get

Five thousand dollars ten thousand dollars. No, it's just a fucking for interaction. Yes, but it's a thing farming. No, it's not Oh, yeah, okay. It is but they're game money. Have you ever gone back and deleted? No, no If you look at all the ones I'm always right, so you know it's funny I do it where I who I think is gonna win is the one I say if wins usually wait What so like if I think someone's gonna win I say if this person Loses right yeah, I don't know how I'm saying like I always go with if you say if Alex prayer is gonna win on Saturday I'll give one person who likes no so $5,000. That's why I wouldn't do it

So it would be the opposite so if I think like the favor so I like I gotta put the you know laws in my favor on the book You know you haven't done it in a while I feel like because the community knows you're fucking annoying on Twitter, dude, and they'll come to me know me for anything It's fucking man. Oh, he does that. I don't know when it's so hard to get off the fucking thing I don't even know how to community note. I don't know either and then all of a sudden it just pops up They put you sitting in the did it one time and then someone put it Yeah, they do it now they do everything like every single one that has I'll do it. It's fucking hilarious You're not you're not as good. I feel like you lost a little bit on the fastball

Well with the tweets like you were coming. Oh, yeah, yeah, you got me the people fucking sit a little bit You're a wrestling guy. Don't you know you can't give them everything if you keep doing every day I'm I'm talking shit every day when I talk shit, and then no one's gonna fucking carry you guys Yeah, so this fight got announced. Yeah, he said something and then you responded right away You fucking what you my friend for ten years you saw what I posted about you that was fucked up I don't know what you're talking about stop now. You're gonna pull this you posted about me. Yeah And you what is what is me being ten years? You asked him about my dad, and you knew he was lying saying that he didn't know and then you started laughing

I started laughing I started laughing. Yes, you said I laugh bro. I would not laugh about pull up the clip. I don't know Put a put a put a note was every time like counter throwing on the screen. What are you talking about? You lost me here I I Pulled the clues in the back. We can't pull it up like that. I can't say what's his name like jamie Do you have a jamie? Oh, you know, eric he just gave you a drink. I like that. No, we don't have it Yeah, we just had a guy deliver you Celsius Yeah, I'm proud sponsor. Why it's good. You don't like it. He pulls out there or whatever. Okay Anyway, red Bulls of shit to go back back as you drink it. Enjoy it as you okay. So so so what happened?

So he brought up your dad. Yes, and you said oh, did you know or something? I don't know what exactly you're wording He clearly knew Exactly, and you're like really? Like anyway, what is this? What is the point they're trying to prove here friendship? You should be like go you don't follow the ten years I thought you were trying to say something about ten years like always like going crazy about other things I'm not gonna say and then you're gonna say like fucking laugh when someone's talking about someone's dead father No, I did not laugh. Stop it would never laugh about that. No, this is anyway if someone wants to find the clip go ahead I would never laugh about someone's father who passed away that I've always said it have family religion

Kids, I don't you don't talk about that stuff. I always feel uncomfortable You laugh you didn't say you know and that okay. That's so let me ask you about that I'm not saying crossing lines because you know what I cross all the fucking lines my life So you know what it is what it is But when I told him so say say to my face say that might make a joke about my dad because I was fucking ready I had I was gonna kick that table straight. There was no I don't care There was security there They want to let one in and one of his security one of my security was just me and him and then some other fucking

Random guy that was terrible, and I was gonna fucking jump over this table and fucking murder this guy I wasn't I was gonna go at him it and he literally was like I am so sorry He it's on video. He knew really he really cuz he he's not stupid He knows it was just me and him it'd be like me and you ran out and we got to a fight Like these guys gonna save me. I'm sorry. No that it would stop you another one Why didn't you why did you give him that chance? He said it. He said something Yeah, why did you give him another chance to say sorry? Because I said anybody could say shit online and at the end of the day I'll give him the benefit that maybe he didn't know I

And I said this time I said you didn't know but he's saying you didn't know I said Anybody could say shit online, you know, fuck it Whatever and he's bullshit and I can't be the fucking guy that cries wolf and fucking someone talk shit You know what I mean? Because we I cross all that lines. I'm not fucking stupid. Okay, I said I'm looking at your face right now like he was closer than you are right now like close and I was like Dude say like you know what you did say to my face and see what happens I said so when you guys say something and he got he like froze and I have my hands like this And is that good enough for you the apology wasn't it? I mean, I'm not fucking woman You know, I mean, I'm not gonna be like, you know, I'm fucking getting on your knees and fucking begging. You know what I mean? But like. As far as you're concerned, is that issue?

He would have done it right there. If he would have done it on the stage, I was going, I had so many things. I had, I wish Darren Till was there too. I was gonna go with Darren Till. What about Darren Till? I had so much shit going for him. Oh, you guys got beef.

No, I mean, I just bantered with him. Yeah, why wasn't he there? He has the flu, or COVID, he don't wanna give it to people. Oh, well, that's nice of him. I didn't know people still get COVID. So, I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go with him. I'm gonna go with him. I'm you guys got beef. No, I mean just banter with him. Yeah, why wasn't he there? He has the flu or COVID He don't want to give it to people. Oh, that's nice. I didn't know people's will get COVID like so boys like you still get it

Yeah, you saw you took the vaccine Uh, I think i'm on my ninth. Are you serious? Yeah every month. Are you a liberal bro? Are you kidding me? I voted for kamala Loved her. You're really quick. Yeah Yes her uh herstory without what her story? for Kamala loved her. You're really quick. Her story? What? What did I say? No, that was the slogan. Her story. I don't follow. This is the funny thing about you. The funny thing about you is that now... When I take navigation and it says go left, I want to go right. I appreciate that. That's very smart of you. I'm sure you'll get exactly where you need to go.

This whole thing about like people who you want to be like you want To be buddies with like the NELC boys and so I've been No, I know and so like I feel comfortable joking about those things But for you, it's like a badge like oh, I have to tell everyone what I voted for Trump I know that no, but you're trying to get me to say it when I've already talked about this I've talked about this on camera that I thought on my show that I thought Kamala sucked and all That's why I should yeah, I don't want yeah. Yeah, you see when you had the big numbers It was like coming around now and nowadays, you know

Looking for it really can't find it No, but so with it. Yeah when you see like the NELC boys and agitated stuff at the UFC events Do you feel like FOMO? Do you feel like now? I wish I could be there. Come on. I mean, they're awesome I mean, they're tapping up Dana., I think they're dapping up Dana. They're hanging out with them. Dude, that's you. That's you in the background. That used to be you.

Imagine that. Now you can't get in anymore. I can get in. Bro, both of us can't get in. I can. You can't get in just as much as I can get in. I can go in. You don't think I can get in.

Last time they put security. Dana put security on me. If I apply for a credential today, I'm out. No, you can't. You don't believe that? Dana hates you that I'm waiting. You don't believe that? No. Who do you think he hates more me or you you who hate me between the

two of us who's the last one to beg for a job from him probably you I literally I didn't beg you just literally told me you begged you cry I've never actually I've never tried to work for him you just tried to work for him like two months ago MMA fighter thought about flying to Vegas to say you mentioned that what you said it you said you should I thought of it I Vegas to say you mentioned that what you said it You know I thought of it, but I didn't want to be that guy shot, bro Are you actually bro you take you want you want vaccines? That's why you're you want to work for them. You said that is that not true Yes, okay. Yes. Yeah, okay

That's just stupid. You should say you know what they don't want me I'll march to the beat of my own drum cuz I, because I want to fight the fucking best guys in the world. I don't feel like fighting fucking god damn Kevin Lee. No offense to Kevin Lee. All the fans, because I've heard them before. He's fucking terrible. 2-0. Yeah, and I will bring the most views on that roster. If you beat three guys in GFL, they'll take you. Okay, yes. You think so? I think so, yeah.

You don't think the Ultimate Fighter play was such a fucking smart play? It was a smart play. It could have been a risky move for them though. Because it's like, okay we bring this guy in the Older Midfielder, we're not bringing the views, like a big pay-per-view against a big name. I don't know, it just could have been a risk I think. What's the risk? Unless you're doing something stupid.

You're fighting three guys in three weeks and you never know what could happen. But like why waste all the money if some guys are one and no and say me going in, I've been talking shit about everybody. Right. Let's go fucking find out. What was your ideal scenario? Why we lose you buddy some guys are one know as a me going in the I've been talking shit about everybody, right? Let's go fucking fine. What was your ideal scenario? You come in like a really really easy fight like Mike Hano or like fucking Patty or like dude I don't say this Mike Hano is terrible. Are you talking about terrible? Do you was on like a five-fight winning streak before that fight?

Yeah, you beat who do beat? Ben was Saint Denis that was a nice terrible stop terrible. We just get terrible yesterday We ordered Uber eats the guy said I fought Dylan Danis at Madison Square. I said there's no way Yeah, because I know what I'm tired of me. I broke his leg. What's his name? What's his name? What's his name? Which one Kyle Walker fucking Max Humphrey is that it? Yeah, what to know who do you who do you can you fight his first two fights? But that's my name wait no I can't I'm about to fight twenty-four for a third fight at the end of the day no matter What I'm telling he's losing a record or whatever

That's a tough fight for a third guy's to an out. I think so for a guy that's to an out I I'm just wondering why six years between fights The knees the alcoholism okay, the certain things that I never talked about which I will one day about why do you keep teasing it? Because it's not it's it tells the story it tells the story, but it's like is this the thing for like 20 viewers You know I mean like you know you came Laugh my camera and just laugh. That's all nice. Not funny. Here's the thing you drove you came out of your way You begged me to come on. I was like listen. No one's interested in this fight. No one wants You begged me to come on, I was like, listen, no one's interested in this fight.

No one wants to see this fight. And now all of a sudden, why do you keep shitting on the platform that you asked to come on? I love your show, I love helping smaller creators, dude. I like to help smaller creators. Any big interviews coming up? Like Piers Morgan, you had Piers Morgan.

I was supposed to do it Wednesday. I am doing it Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday. You're doing Piers? Yeah, I'm doing Piers. He's tall. He's interested in this? He's like you, he's tall, he'll get on you. Yeah, Wednesday. You're doing Piers? Yeah, I'm doing Piers. He's tough. He's interested in this? He's like you, he's tough.

He'll get on you. I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah, yeah, no, you guys are really, you're quicker than him, but he's more. Does he really know what he's talking about? In May terms or just in anything? I get worried sometimes, he's gonna emulate politics or some shit.

Fight sports, fight sports. Oh, no, he says his son is really big into it. Oh, okay. But, so we were supposed to do a face like a sit down with me and KSI and him and apparently KSI won't go to Pierce. He said that Pierce would be on the part. Oh, no, that's what they said. He won't go. Oh, he won't do anything with him. Yeah, some people are like that though with Pierce. Oh, a lot of people, yeah, they don't like to go on their show. But with the last time I think I don't know if I haven't told you since. You went there. After the Logan fight. There was that guy that you might are you do follow that kind of stuff like a little bit. Yeah

So there's this guy that's like really pro Muslim. Okay, he was on the show before me He's like a really big like Indian dude. Okay, and he like fucking try to like check me in the fucking thing Oh because he's on YouTube. He's like a big dude. He exclaims about like Muslim stuff. Yeah, he's he's had I think you know Because this was right after the October 7th thing in Israel. Yeah, he came and was like, did you really call Khabib a Muslim rap? He tried to check you in person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he like, he screams at me, and I was like, I never said he was Muslim rap, but what are you trying to say? And he was like, okay, I was making sure, you know, like you're a good kid, and I don't want you to be talking. I was like, you're not checking me, big guy. Yeah. But I was like, but he was just like,

it was like really awkward, it was like you're walking in, he was walking out, and he was like, you're the one that said guy. Yeah, I was like wait, but he just like it was like really awkward It's like you're walking in he was walking out and he was like you're the one that said Muslim right? The Kabeem aren't you like he like came at me and he was again like big as fuck I was like who is this guy first off Wow. Yeah, and I was like I can say this is what this is what I'm referring to But I'm not you're getting some stupid. Yeah, you know, I love every you have some stuff what about them you yeah But people make jokes all the time you meet you I know but some of them don't take it very you know Be a man is on kissing no I didn't Another one put it on the board another one why why why do you say that?

About what some of that song Twitter go on Instagram. Go ahead. What I didn't know you rolled like that between Islam and Tell me tell me I just don't know what is that know you're gonna get upset But I saw something going around Instagram and Twitter sphere. Yes, I didn't know you roll like that because I know you're so boy You know all this way boy. Yes. I told you that I wasn't but you are do look at you What do you eat? What does that mean? Like you're just building you like soft like you Got the sauce throwing your body got estrogen tits Wow tits now. Yeah, so now now we're doing this You heard from my trainer. You I've got a mean left hand. I don't know what that was

Now that I never compliment you and that was. That does mean that you have good hands. Now you're trying to... I never compliment you and that means that you should be sparring me. Sparring me for this fight. I need a training partner. I got no training partner. If that's the case, times are tough. If you can't get sparring partners, if you need me to spar you... Knock them all out, man. It's fucking all good. Keep up. It's fucking tough times around here. Although I would say, if you are with Plinio and those guys that you should stick with them

Yeah, they're great because I want you to go to my gym in my Okay, don't you have I have my own gym and a coach that I work with But you show up and say do you show up every day? Yeah Yeah, I do Why do you struggle saying that? Bro, you just finished telling us, you just finished telling us. I have my own demons, man.

No, but listen, listen. Now I'm being serious. Yeah, hold on, because I want to ask you about the other thing. Okay, we can ask whatever. You just finished telling us you have regrets. Yeah. Right? You have regrets. So why go through the same thing again? They sure noticed me with this one.

Bro, you could beat this guy guy you can beat him take it seriously I know you have 19 days yeah it's a lot of time I know no I'm actually saying it's not a lot of time I mean 19 days if you fucking know my point is all this is gonna be done in 20 days you're gonna wake up on the 20th on the 30th of March and be like I had this guy you You knock him out. And then, yeah, Jay Paul's right there. Yes, but why don't you take it seriously? I am, it's just hard with the Tony fight, I'm doing MMA, I'm doing MMA.

No, forget the Tony fight. The Tony fight's gonna be there. No, I know, but it's gonna be six weeks later, so I have to train both. No, that's a mistake. That's a mistake, 100%. Who's telling you, who's telling you, who's telling you,

who's, no, it's Volvo, who's telling you to focus on that? Myself. No, that's a huge mistake. First of all, why are you coaching yourself? And second of all, stop saying that. You have a massive opportunity. This is almost like a second chance. Sounds like you care about me.

I do care, listen, I always tell people, what are you doing now? I'm going to go on nicotine. Nicotine, you want one? No, I'm good. I'm gonna pass out with that little body. Yeah Anyway, hey, you can't laugh People ask me what's he like behind the scenes I say he's actually a good guy and I say he's a good guy I say he's a good guy with a good heart and I say that he does know you and a personal level We know each other. Yes, I say he says a lot number which is weird. Yeah, I'm not doing that

Yeah, I've never done that. I never used to spam me and be like, hey, don't stop talking shit about Dylan You make shit up all the time. I'm like enough of this shit So I had to block you and then I got a new number because the Darren till I'm fucking crazy that never happened. Where's your lie counter? You used to do, you were texting me every week. Come on Monday Monday Monday Monday Oh my god And then one time remember one time on ESPN You were like I could fight this guy this guy the cut and then we went through the whole video

I was like that wasn't nice. That wasn't nice. You're feeling got hurt You were like making a joke at a real thing cuz I would beat those guys. So like a rock listener I bro and then no time. I told you this in a no time. He's 265 though I'm limit and a time when I beat up five That's your next fight is 165. Is it not 185 this case. I know but the MMA I can do I'm all over the place I'm sure prayer. Yeah, you ever take steroids. No, I probably should because they don't test and fucking these fucking things They don't have a si. Oh, yeah, I see you make a plus. I saw you saying tell me Logan D I don't think they're under father anymore. Are they?

Vada yeah misfits. Yeah, that's the first one Vada. Yeah, we thought we're looking really I think I don't think they're under Vada anymore, are they? Vada? Yeah Misfits? Yeah I don't think they were Yeah, that's what we did the first one Vada? Yeah, with Logan Really? I think, I don't know who it was

But dude, okay What is that shit you just put in your mouth? That's weird Nicotine No, no, no You never heard of like, Zins? No, so what do you do? You put it under your mouth? Yeah, nicotine

And then what? But now your mouth looks like a chipmunk You look like a straight up fucking Yeah, I don't take part in this stuff Oh Kind of yeah, are you crazy Tucker Carlson everything that you want to be absolutely Not a journalist. What is he? He's like a host. He's he does the atrix. What do you mean? Journalist what is he he's like a host he does the atric stop it. What do you mean?

You think I want that I don't want that unlike you I don't care about the views and stuff like that I don't care. Do you care about them? I just want to be happy. Okay, you know what? That's a good answer. Yeah, I just want to be had isn't that what you want? It changes from time to time. It's like your day like day to day life like kids hang out and wife I come to work. No, I know I'm saying like we say do you have any hobbies like you know, really? I'm pretty pretty doing the boxing twice a week. I don't want I do you was actually really good with like I don't want to talk about yeah, just say you have good hands, but I didn't buy you trained. Yeah, man It's actually really I'm proud of you twice a week Thursday Friday. Just wake up and just like just chill all day I'm in that video games and I'm I day play video games No, I do not smoke weed

Do you drink it's a good time? It's you actually drink no, but when I saw And Connor kind of gave you the beer. I think it was that did you drink it? Oh when he gave me the forge yeah, I think I took a sip to be nice But when I was camera, I don't you'd be funnier like you see like call me and all them when they do it They're having a crazy time, bro. I'm on camera, I don't you'd be funnier like you see like Cormier and all them when they do in there I'm in a crazy time, bro. I'm a professional I went to see you see that show because you could have been all there wrote my sloppy seconds Oh, you had the first one didn't you I brought them both the ESPN Cormier and chill That's fucked up, and then they fired you yeah, it's not shitty

You know what's funny about it? You know it's funny about it. You think that bothers me the last time you got upset But because you fucking did the Brock Lesnar thing acting like that's not a big deal when you're a fucking big WWE guy. What does that even mean? Because you knew that was a fucked up. You play the same hits with the Brock Lesnar thing. I didn't say that. I just said that upset you last time. No it didn't. It did. But anyway. It didn't upset me. All I'm trying to say is we can't do this forever. No, it's good. We're having a good bands. My point is we have an opportunity to beat KSI So just focus on boxing from now until who cares about it's not real you if you beat him I know the first one to beat him right as a pro. He put a rematch clause in it. Oh interesting Yeah, so I did the first time he does your does your purse go up. Yeah a lot

Okay, but he didn't put a rematch cause the first time So then wonder why oh, yeah, what happened with that one by the way? Why did you pull out? I told him I didn't want to talk about it but there was a lot of personal issues with my dad passing and then okay me getting into a very Yeah, it kind of mingled on into the Logan fight But me being in a really bad spot where I shouldn't be fighting and it was like to Look there was a lot of regret not doing it then or was it the right call? He was all right cause the Logan fight was the fight of stuff. Do you regret not doing it then or was it the right call?

I think it was the right call. It was the Logan fight. It was the fight anyway that Logan pulled out of everyone to give me shit. Remember it was the one in Atlanta. I told you about this. It was supposed to be me and Logan in Atlanta and then he got hurt against Roman Reigns. Oh. And then they were like, oh let's just do KSI. And I was like, but Logan is the fight because me and the Pauls have that history. And that's another thing that's tough with KSI. We don't really have history. So it's like kind of awkward because it's like, I don I really know the guy or hate him like you know what I mean It's like well now you have history. I mean we have history a coffee in his face

Yeah, exactly you're asking what kind of coffee was it? Yes, but the hot coffee as a one. I don't know no It's not it's in a plastic thing. I was asking is it like a venti was it a grande? Did you the thing we were trying to determine was did you buy the coffee? So if you watch that video I had three of them you did my me my brother and my friend and I was like So what we're gonna do is I'm gonna throw it if you watch the thing in the background. They hit the ball So I was like, oh wait, they threw as well. Yeah, they threw as well You'll see it like after it kind of hit the ball So you bought that to throw it at cuz we're going there and they were like, you know

We want you to just like, you know getting his face whatever that was like, okay What can I do and we stopped at Starbucks and I just bought that thing. I was like, just give me the biggest coffee you have. And then I, I had to hit the hat perfect too, because I usually miss fucking shit. Like I hit the hat perfect and I just boom. And then he went fucking nuts. And then outside the whole fucking shit happened. But yeah, I bought that coffee just to do that, which was hilarious.

And it was so funny because I went up there and I was just standing with a coffee with a coffee That's brand new and I don't know they didn't catch on to it It was fucking hilarious I was everybody always asked me like is it staged and she'll ask they don't stage it so in the beginning When me and Jake so Jake when Jake was the first person I ever called me out in his boxing career Whatever to fight it was me and him this is I don't know if you remember all this is long time ago He called me out you hold together back in the no He was like just like all one want to was that for the Khabib thing He's I want to fight Dylan Dan is and then I made a video and then that's when he started getting the MMA community

I brought them make community towards him because at that time with everything was going with the be with MMA community was on my side So everybody was going at him It was like a whole big thing and we met up one time and I was serious cuz like I'm gonna do you know Face shit like and you when all that shit was out with Nate and Khabib, that's real fucking shit. Like, you know, I don't fuck around with me and you, hey, let's go outside and I'm going to throw this at you and make a whole beef. And I met up with him just to talk about the fight because he wanted to talk. And I was like, yo, if he tries anything, I'm going to fucking knock him out.

And he was like, could we just start a fake fight in the club? And I'm like, dude, I'm not, like, you're talking to the wrong guy. And Logan came up to me and he was like, are you going to hurt my just kidding. I'm like, dude, I'm not like you're talking to the wrong guy. Yeah, and like Logan came up to me and he was like are you gonna hurt my brother? I was like no, he's like, okay you guys can talk to I swear you guys Yeah, it's where to go my like and Logan has a picture He posted me and Jake in the club talking we talked for like an hour He was like saying some stupid shit like oh dude I was under feud a wrestler like you guys see when I I don't want to fuck you right now

I think you get my hands better and all this and I regret that's another regret I have a view on the fucking I had to like go the past not let go the past and like the sense of like it like I'll not explain it like not regret But like if I would start boxing since that he called me out till now like what they are instead just doing MMA You know like I mean, I guess I'd be a fucking Influencer boxing champion, but you know it it does hurt but um, yeah at the time He was like are you gonna hurt my brother and I was like now and then I seen them out again

And they were just nice and then the thing happened with Logan the city where he almost got shot You remember that he talked about that. That was real. He said it that was real. I see I swear on my everything He would have died that night Why on everything because he came to somewhere you in the city my city listen to me That's all you get no no You know you you gotta be careful. Okay? Okay? I've you know I'm not gonna say too much obviously You know cases don't fucking say the shit, but yeah I get it he came to an after party where it's all my people like because obviously I was going out and see a lot

I have a lot of friends in the city and we didn't know what kind of energy he was coming on and I was on crutches and he was with a girl at the time or whatever and my date like the people that were there are very serious people I'm not gonna say obviously who they are but they're very serious and he came start talking to me and then they like came up and like like you know when something happened and then they pulled me to the side and they're like you like, I don't know if I should, I shouldn't talk about it, but it came to a point. You can't start the story then.

I know, wait, I'm trying not to go to jail. Okay, jail? Not jail, but like nothing happened, obviously. Nothing happened, but they really, it came to a point where like, we could put two, it just came, and I was like, that's not happening. Like, I don't hate the kid that much, you know what I mean? Jeez.

And so, and he told the story that he got a gun pulled on him So and you think it was cuz of you that no he didn't know that no 100% Like it was 100% he could you would have died that night, and I was like no I don't hate him that much don't kill the kid But these guys are like the kind of guys I look out for you that you know what I mean you don't fuck with these You come to my city after the fight This is before fight for yeah, I was on crutches He talked about we were out of an after party. Okay, yes, have you ever seen him since the fight?

he was at the UFC and they put him on the screen they put me behind the thing and like Did you like ever have a not interaction with him? No, he won't yeah, he won't DM now. He won't come close to me text No, okay, not just in the boss in the courtroom. Yeah, but he's not there. No, he's not there I'll never there is she there now when the truck was she had to fly here to do her Deposition right? Yeah, and but I think when the trial starts, so we'll be there. She's yeah I think they it's for sure going to trial. I think so and I think it's and what are they seeking from you? 1.2 million in damages and then I'm not sure the exact number that's not that's in addition to whatever you're paying your lawyer Yeah, that's a that's that's probably exceeding dude. We're getting close You have to pay a lot dude. It's been almost a year and a half two years almost something like that

So yeah, it's fucking heavy shit, man and that's why I think maybe hit me a little bit harder with the Connor thing like Because I was just like man this guy's fucking like because like you know, I'm a part of a lawsuit But it's every fucking day. Yeah, it's all with lawyers. You have to do this You have to do this you have to do this if you don't the court fucking does this We don't do this you have to be at this place and then he's taking money from me That's like that could be going to my son. Like you're gonna be going in my mom I could be going anybody like I'm paying a fucking lawyer to work by the hour. And you know how lawyers are. They're gonna be working extra hours. I can't say anything.

Just to defend me. And at the end of this, if I win, what do I get? The people sign? Like, the people, okay, he won. You don't have to pay? Yeah, but I don't get any money back. It's not like the UK where you get like... In the UK, if you sue someone, you have to they have to pay for your your yeah I think Canada might be like that too. I'm not sure Wow. Yeah, I'm not sure can you countersue? Be the only reason I can't countersue her is because she never said anything about me You know what I mean?

But I did lose so many deals because of the woman's thing and they like the deals are like hey We're starting a woman's brand and all this stuff and like I lost so many deals because of the woman's thing and they like the deals are like hey we're starting a woman's brand and all this stuff and like I lost so many deals because of that so that was one thing but now everything's calmed down and it showed my side I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about some of the depositions that happened like there's been people on her side that admitted that they were the ones that like that she knew about all this stuff so it's gonna all come out I hope in trial I wish I want them to have cameras. I've been dying like the Johnny Depp amber thing I don't know that what how this works with the stuff and I really hope they have cameras that be fucking crazy

Can we talk about something positive being a dad? Yeah, what has that done to you? Definitely changes you it's tough. It's not tough in the sense of like it's weird from going Well, I mean how long ago did you become that 13 years ago? So like being a normal like this guy that just does whatever he wants and then you have a baby in the morning or you know It's stuff like that. So that's kind of like a little change in life You know, like you can't just life is a little bit different how old now over a year to yeah Oh, yeah, so he's uh, it's crazy and like, you know, he's picking up things I'm doing like he'll pick up the gloves and stuff It's it's surreal. It's still kind of like surreal. Oh, no, maybe you probably went that it's just like a big change

Yeah, now like you're did you want to become a dad? Um, I mean none. I mean yes and life. Yeah, I mean maybe not necessarily at the time that happened But you know it is what is I'm happy. Are you are you married? No, okay But so do you have a relationship co-parenting? Okay? Yeah, are you in a good spot? Yeah, great, you know Live with the kid like you share or no just yeah She and burn such good like relationship where she'll be like over and my family's over like she's a great girl She want to have more yeah 100%

Yeah, I do I wish I had them younger because now if I was 30 and he was like 13 He'd be training me like prayer or like something like that. Like I don't know you had yours or 30. Oh, so yeah Yeah, just it training wise, you know what I mean? Like I don't because I was thinking he's gonna be 18 and be like 50. So it's a kind of weird Yeah, I don't want to train with them kind of standard. No. Yeah I was people have their kids when they're 29 28 the prayer one is yeah, maybe have me younger But I think it's cool to like train. Yeah for sure I'm like and then being like, you know in this thing

But it's awesome because like I want him to like train and like, you know build them up and so what if he says to you? He wants to be like you and what's a fighter talk shit talker. No, no, no, like I Yeah, it's it is what it is, you know, but like what if he says one day the only thing is I think I have really But see to you already already. Yeah, I think how's that possible? I think that they're drinking Oh, so you can't hit in the head really really hard. I mean I spore a lot I've been sparring since you know, I was a kid, you know, so I don't know I think I do but maybe I'm just retired anyway, no Hey, you can be fun. No, no, no, but I mean that's kind of scary if you think that I mean

I just think yeah, would you stop fighting as a result? I would never you know I'm like my favorite fighter is a tutorial got him and boxing so you know he was a fucking G Apparently he's the only guy that was crazier than me in Jersey City, and I wish I partied with him I Some crazy stories in my life, so one day. I want to let out. I have a fucking bitty freak off party Oh stop it now. We're not that that you went I have a crazy crazy story about that crazy it's a lot of teases but I know because I had to be knocking that one you don't get in trouble for or no no no no you're true because but yeah I will tell it one day I was a part of I was a party party but it's a real thing

I was not I was at a diddy party you were at a diddy party, but there is such a thing as Different parties. Okay in the same place. I won't go into what happened, but I almost got killed one that almost got killed Yeah, I was getting killed in his house so bad that I Don't want to go way too much of the story because I one day I want to Yes, here for Rogan, but I think Rogan will have you on because typically like he was fucking amazing before the Khabib thing Yeah, oh, he's like dude. You're the man like come on help you up with striking your Jews awesome then now he's like I don't know since the Khabib thing and then One is yeah, I don't know why he wouldn't I think I think he thinks I'm gonna come on and be like talking a lot

of shit and like fucking just like saying shit, But like I mean him and I was a real conversation You know and he talked to me about things I went through in my life with injuries and all the fuck sure sure But I would love to go on Rogan. They'd be awesome Rogan. I do Vaughn do Vaughn said that He thought he would get too much backlash for having me on really and he just had on like Some like Calvert in house and like fucking Trump and all these people like he's worried about me getting back That's crazy. I getting back. That's crazy I'm crazy. He's like meet him her friends That's weird. I thought that was you got Schultz. Yes. I just told him. Yeah. I don't know. He said uh, when's it fight

Did you watch his? Special I went to it too. Oh you were there a very yeah, he's awesome. I love him I'll show I watched it last night. Actually is really good. Did you go the one I'm sure oh wait you weren't no You were at the premiere though. I saw you. I was at the way what premiere the one of con is it really good? Did you go to one? I'm sure oh wait you weren't know you were at the premiere though I saw you I was at the way what premiere the one of con is it house? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes Yeah, I was gonna go say hi to you, but you were your wife I didn't want to like you didn't why not you were like kind of behind me I was in front and then I was like, I don't know ducking. No, cuz like, you know, I said and some jokes bar Oh, yeah, I didn't want to like I don't want to get hit. You know, she wouldn't do that

I don't you know, I don't want to ever respect you and you don't want a private life I'm not gonna you know, I was gonna come say hi the hit. Yeah, no, she wouldn't do that. I don't want to ever fight you in private life. I'm not going to, you know, I was going to come say hi. Cause the scene. Yeah. I didn't know if you wouldn't throw it down with that boxing. No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm looking forward to this. It's going to be fun. I wish I could promote more, man. I don't know what's stopping you. Getting sued. You don't have my contract. No, they're not stopping you from promoting. This is a form of promotion promotion Yeah, but then what I just don't make it personal Yeah, okay Then when I promote he doesn't respond because he doesn't want to get into like a promoting thing with me

It's like really weird. I don't know and he's trying to say that he doesn't there are many ways that you could promote this fight without Making I agree, but he doesn't he's not so it's not promoting myself, but you you get pay-per-view If anything you're incentivized. Yes to promote he's fucking me because he's not promoting because he knows I mean if you're I don't know it's fucking weird You think that's all we think that's really happening Logan is up his ass right now I'm telling you right now that their friendship is on the rocks is this I'm telling you 100% No, you don't worry about that Yeah, I know But that's why he's trying to like keep it cool me and like not like wants to get it over with and not talking to

Nate Diaz yeah He just wants to get it over with and not he was talking to Nate Diaz. Yeah, come on Stop what what that that's actually like I mean Nate was supposed to fight miss miss MMA and then really yeah Nate was saying that Like yeah, it went that'd be two weeks Yeah, we went for like two weeks and then he's something happened with him apparently He's hard to deal with and then I guess they try KSI or whatever. I don't know he says he's not for all these people He sucks like he's not good could be the one. Yeah, no, I mean, he wants to go like Grappler, I mean. But I have some. Is it true that there's a clause about you doing MMA?

Yeah. That's true. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Jeez Louise, what does that even mean? Like, if you go for a guillotine? As I was saying, I'm going to like, trip him by accident. But if you do that, like, what happens?

Yeah, lose my purse. Whole thing. Yeah, whole thing. But it might be worth putting him to sleep. No, it's not worth it. Are you out of your mind? I'm going to, you know I'm a crazy motherfucker, dude. By the way, that could actually happen

in the flow of a boxing match. That's what I'm saying too, like he trips over on my foot and then they're saying that's MMA move, that's a sweep. Like what happens if like I step on him and he falls over. You know what I mean? Like I don't know how all this shit works. So it's like.

I think they're just trying to stop you from doing something crazy like elbowing him or some shit like that. Yeah, he was telling me. Although he did elbow Joe Forni. He said he was You know for me. He was like I've been training MMA I know all the submissions I can gallop and I was like, oh, we'll see and he was like Why was if I choke you I was like, please try is he training with shoot fighters? Yeah, he's training. He thinks he's MVP He's a shitty fucking team over in the fucking MVP, but you know, it's crazy. My Perry message me

He was a good advice. Oh, because he fought MVP and he gave me great if I I don't want to give that away. It was he was actually really nice about it. Mike Perry is actually a really good dude. He's the man Yeah, we're supposed to fight that was that was real when this was happened and then he took the j-fight. Oh, that's right He's a the j-fight. I was so happy to do that one too, man So like I have been trying to fight, you know Yeah, and what promotion was that for? It was gonna be the first Misfits MMA and then we're gonna do Eddie Hall So legit that was a hundred percent legit. It was my my idea he's like how big is he he's big but

that's he five yeah they couldn't get any way to like kind of like what sport and meh yeah I was I was like cuz you know what one of my favorite fights is Noguera and what's his name Bob Sapp or like Mark Kerr fighting those guys I always want to know like what would be like to like fight someone that big and see if my jujitsu would work and that's the thing that people always want to know like what it would be like to like fight someone that big and see my Jesus it would work And that's the thing that people always have on me like oh, he doesn't want to fight. Yeah. Hell. Yeah, I'm not scared of losing Okay, if you could beat me you could beat me like what at this point in my career and all the shit I wasted my years of fucking being her and all the stupid shit

I fucking did in my life that I fucking regret so fucking much I want to know so like why not just go and give me fucking the best guy you have in the UFC If I lose I lose but you're gonna give you see is all about the money. They act like they're not they're putting these guys on the fucking It's just I don't know. It's something there's there's there's a great story. This is this is serious There's a great story to be told of your comeback, but no no one knows it That's it, but I'm just saying you can write the story right now. You come back you fight this fight You win this fight and then you'll have another fight six weeks later against the legend By June 1st

2025 you could be flying high and I think you see it's right It's literally right there for you I know like the KSI fight is kind of a gift in the sense that like okay after the Logan fight people thought maybe They wouldn't be knocking on your door here. You are to do that. What happened know how much I so I'm just I'm telling you legit don't squander it Yeah, I'm not I'm I'm I'm training hard. Maybe I'm worried that you don't have a corner. Maybe I'm being you know a little bit Yeah, that's good. I hope so. I'm worried. You don't have a corner. Well, you're good. You're got boxing Would you come? Yeah, I would my what a scene that would be well I come out with the spit bucket That'd be awesome. You're there last time where the outfit but I was rock you three outfit

Yeah, like that would be pretty sick. You'll be my Paul Creed. Yeah, I get a little hype man. I'm good I'm good. You should do that. I'm 42 What fucking like like a heel manager? Why do you do that? I mean, I have a job, you know, we're struggling here I got a I'm saying but you do both you do both. No near every day I could do fucking wrestling so easy by the way I know it would NXT a bad bunny was doing fucking back with the chair So fucking Logan can't take too much effort being so athletic like bad bunnies like no Logan You gotta get credit where it's you I said I do give him credit. He's unbelievable. He's outstanding What?

No way in his heart come on a bad bunny could do it He's jumping for one rope to that row one was crazy when he did that back I get crazy. That's not crazy anybody get your body. You just have had balls No the back foot you gotta know how to fall and actually on that when he hit his head it bounced on the canvas You have you wait nor change you too, but they teach you how to follow all these moves So I could do a match either No, he did do right he doesn't say it, but he did four years each year But um I would do it easy understand. I think I've be great at it just to get 100 people skinned and everything. Why don't you do it? You could probably get it with AEW. Okay, we tried that they said the same thing. He's too controversial, dude

I don't know what the fuck it I'm like dad's like I murder someone they fucking promoting fucking teats and all is that like I'm not I know I'm a TNA maybe You wouldn't do it No, they're good. Yeah, who's very wrestler in a ball. Oh right now. Yeah all time I used a bread heart your kid. Yeah, right there behind you. It's terrible. Well, come on. I'm a Shawn Michaels guy Oh that back then yeah, you're either one of the other The rock right now. No, no back then when I grow was don't pull the broth. That's all right That's why I am who I am

90s fucking shit-talking fucking attitude error, you know? I thought it was real for the most part. MJF. Oh, me too. I like him. Me too. Love him. We meet him shit-talking back and forth on Twitter all the time.

Really? Yeah, we go back at each other. He's good. He's my favorite. Him on the show is great. He's amazing. He's great, but now he has no one to wrestle like that Hayman guy shh. You watch all that too, huh? I like, well I saw him in the studio of the game game like, you know, my my skills aren't I you know That's one of the my least skills like being on the mic except for that one promo I caught with you that actually when I was really pissed off at Logan and Gordon

You know, the Gordon one is when you should go after what in a grappling? Yeah Yeah, hundred percent if they pay you do it We go be gone big money, but that would have to be a big money one because like I'm the only one that went to the thing Is that a fake fucking screen? No, this is the window. Yeah, just fucking realize that that's what you mean You got the sun setting. That's hilarious. What do you mean? It's a freaking fucking crow just came by. Yes That's not real. What do you mean? You just saw the crow come by what do you think we have it on loop? There's we were cars picture. That's a great poster by the way. I was one which one that soccer album. Oh, yeah, Connor's here Where is he well? There's a toy of him right over there

Where else We're gonna do this again. No, yeah, that's Casey O'Neil. She wore shirt You have Casey O'Neil on your fucking thing you wore my shirt to a UFC media. I fucking Wear all your eyes up for yourself. I'll make you a deal right now. Okay. You beat KSI, you're up there for life, immortalized. KSI, Tony Ferguson. No, no, no, just KSI.

Just KSI, not Tony Ferguson, both of them. Not only that, you beat KSI, you get to pick the spot. And how big it is. Forever, forever. That's the incentive. If that doesn't incentivize you to do the job on the 29th of March, what will? I'm gonna do the job, dude.

I fight. Okay, last time, I know you did. This is a prediction? This is a guarantee? Yeah, but no, the annoying thing is last time, I didn't take a back step. Okay, I might not throw the most punches. It was a bad fight.

No, but he, dude, I was like, I wanna fucking throw. Like, I wanna, like, these guys don't engage. Like, I like to be like me, Brandon. You were trying to tire him out. You were trying to tire him out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was my game plan. And then he popped you, I think think in the second or third and then You were like fuck. Yeah, but what's it called? I hate they only do six rounds

Let's go for the 12 10 like they don't want to get tired Nah, and then I'm kind of like a good inside like Mexican fighter like I like You who yes, these are If I had the same like my style wise I'm on the line. He's not fucking nice. I can about take his from Montreal is it originally Jersey City You're a medium. No, I always went to one of his fights in Montreal, but yeah, and his son is a legend on Instagram You see him is he really his son? You haven't seen him?

No, obviously his son is like 12 years old and he looks exactly like him and he's doing like pad work and shit Yeah, that's awesome. It's a cold. No, I was gonna work with like with someone that he that coached him I was all you should do that. Now is this but the time's hard So I'm just working with what I got but um, yeah, that'd be cool I wish I had more time for this fight like they get they was like short notice when they told me it was like Almost seven weeks six weeks. So it was annoying I haven't put boxing gloves on since the Logan fight. So I was like I'm going to make fully now fuck this I'm making a run and then

I mean, I guess the money was just too good turn down It think about this like I see guys like in the boxing gym sometimes and like they're on like fighting for world championships and stuff And they're teaching the classes for $20 I'm like man, I have so like I'm blessed in the certain sense of I get to go fight To no no I mean not like you know people there's guys that struggle even with yeah I mean I guess there's not a lot of money in these four to you like you said especially in May and I'm very blessed that I get to do all this stuff and like GFL is paying crazy money So there's a reason I see take advantage exactly we wish you the best appreciate it. This is fun. This is good March Night, I enjoyed it.

Yeah, we had highs, we had lows. We had to give it a little bit, you know what I mean? Everything in between. But genuinely, I will say, I know you think I don't feel this way. I do wish you the best. I know you do. I do wish you the best and I think it's right there for you, man. I know. Like these are two, I hope no one is offended by this, but these are two winnable fights. Yeah, I know. It's right there for you. There it is unfinished business I think the promo is actually really good. It was good. The promo they do that for me the scarface thing Yeah, no, everything's really good. So good luck to you March of that's on his own pay-per-view and then that's

TB this one we could be good. I think anyone can make a I think anyone can make a little bit better Well, I hear some of the red flags We had a poster and Tony Ferguson they look like the way he looked at the kids was gray hair So they had to switch it last minute before we posted it Yes, yes, yes, he's not gonna get mad at that But I came with his fucking shit talking man magic game me and him on the fucking thing I know I just like we could do a face-to- face with you guys, but focus on this one, man. You've got a freaking huge opportunity. One of the most popular people.

He just had a soccer match. I'm one of the popular people. Bro, he had a soccer match at Wembley this past weekend. You see that? 2.5 million people were watching. You should have played in it. You think I'm top 15 most popular in MMA? In MMA?

Following was, I'm number one lightweight, well-to-rate follower. Is that true? Yeah, I mean Connor Connor I guess is technically What so but in like I just get it just say it did you give me some props or something? I don't know. I don't know what we're doing by what metric popularity Sure you listen if you want it no no I

Honestly don't know you're saying by followers. I don't know who Like I want to see and fucking no people know who you're saying by followers. I don't know who has. Okay, well, like I walk in the street and fucking. No, people know who you are, man. Top Maps is what I think. I will tell you this, like I always mention my nephews and stuff like that. Like they all, all those kids, they all know who you are. And they like me or they like all that?

Nah, they're just like, you have to fight, you know? And then I'm trying to fight. They didn't like when you put, when you had my face on the thing and all that. They didn't like that. Nah, they're like, why is he, I you said because it was actually two days prior. You did the interview With Nelk boys and then you were and they were and they were always had my back It was before the flight like oh, he's Canadian stuff like that. And they're like, oh, you know, does Dylan like you?

I'm like, yeah, we're cool. Cool. And then you posted the picture. I was like, oh, okay I don't know which fish I'm the one of with the that was funny. I didn't care That was funny. I thought it's obviously Photoshop. They come on. I'm gonna make it bro. You like that hair though It was good hair. I saw some vision of you were younger because I had to look for something. Yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah the fro anyway, we're gonna take a quick break. Here's my conversation from when was it? just a few weeks ago with KSI actually, oh, yeah, and then we'll Say goodbye to Dylan Dennis.

It's always a good time when Dylan Dennis stops by and then got to meet some of his crew back there. Breaking news Frank. You're not gonna believe me this thing has just stopped working. Wow well, my son is playing at MetLife Stadium in a soccer game at 530 and... well I was planning on leaving here at like 415 but he kept talking and talking and talking. Do we have any super chats before I go? We certainly do and let's get to them. Can we run through them? Yeah. Just give me one moment to pull them up here. Let's go. Do you want me to go? Okay. So, Jonah Friedman says, for the PFO Bracket Reveal Show, fun AI song.

Oh yeah, you know what? They're doing a bracket reveal like on the 10th. Oh, is it today? 10th or 11th? It might be today. I actually think this is a good idea they're finally gonna reveal the bracket let me just fix this cuz I screwed this up oh hi just glad to see it's back they finally revealed the brackets or they're going to reveal the brackets but they said how they're going to reveal them we're gonna do a show with Dan Hardy and Sean O'Connell not bad not bad but yeah music I don't think is happening. All right, but Love Quinn, right?

What else? Oh, sorry. Just here as a reminder that Big Onk owns you all, hashtag Anne new, hashtag trauma free. Okay, shout out. Hey, shout out to Love Quinn, he's the one that sent us the $50 super chat on the watch party to let us know

that Big Onk owns us all, So, shout out to Love Quinn. I appreciate it. How much was that one, by the way? 20, 70 bones. And I think of- USD? Yeah, USD, a fully accepted Big Onk owns us all. I imagine it's like in Dumb and Dumber when they're laying in the bed,

just using all the dollar bills to like dry their eyes and they're blowing their nose. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, of course. What's that song that is playing? That I couldn't tell you no and I remember We're gonna get demonetized no good job slito writes in dear Frank Volk also picked King green to win He went 0 5 on picks as well

So no need to feel too bad about your terrible, awful, parley pals pick. Smiley face emoji. I have no comment. No commentary, yeah. Slito actually jumps back in with a JK by the way, love you Frank. Thanks for the 199! What else? Oh. Is there breaking news

According to Dylan Dennis currently with two lies on the lie counter. Ariel. Hoani has hands Frank hit it Wow, is he is he implying that that's a lie? Yeah, that's exactly well. Yeah Thank you for the 499 What else? Dave Sandeen writes behind the scenes. Dennis is a great guy fight me. I Don't see a number attached that one. Why do you remember for four months you get like a you get a free one? Yeah, that's fun Okay, but thank you for your contribution

Alex H writes aunt turned one of the best strikers into a runner. I love that's in all caps. By the way, he wasn't running. Relax with this. Like this isn't a Caleb star and against Nate quarry. Okay. Chill out.

Um, he just, he just, for whatever, you know, the, the, the, the question that we will ponder between now and whenever they fight, if they fight again is, was it because of what Ikh did or was it because of what Per didn't do? And on the night he deserved to win. Them's the breaks. What else? Now to send us home, Jake from Windy City writes, Ariel, our mutual friend, fellow MMA reporter, John Pollock is great at audio and video production. Wondering if you edit video or audio yourself, please tell us, Ariel, our mutual friend, fellow MMA reporter John Pollock is great at audio and video

production. Wondering if you edit video or audio yourself. Please tell us, Ariel. Absolutely. Who do you think does all the... No, I do none of that. You know, when I was at Syracuse University, I used to do linear editing. That's insane. Yeah. The wheels, the two little wheels and you had to spin them and they were on beta tapes, right? Oh, it was awful. It was awful. And I think that experience And then we're on beta tapes, right? Oh, it was awful. It was awful. And I think that experience, uh, made me feel like, you know what? I don't want to do this.

Um, I, I worked on UFC prime time. I worked at HBO in the documentary department and I got to sit in the, um, the edit bay edit rooms and I didn't enjoy that process very much. Um, I have the utmost respect for those who are able to do it, and especially now with the youngsters, I mean, the people that we have on our team, like Spencer is unbelievable. We've got Patrick cutting things. We've got, uh, I mean, GC, the meme king himself.

Uh, it's just, it's a plethora. It's, it's, it's, it's an embarrassment. It's an embarrassment of, of talent on the video side. Now, when we talk about the audio side, we have a great engineer in, in, in Frank lens. Uh, we've got, uh, young Oscar helping out on the crack as well. I've worked with brilliant minds like TST in the past. Uh, everyone has their role.

Everyone knows their role. Everyone does it quite well. And, uh, far be it for me to infringe on their territory. So quick question though. So the linear editing, did they do that to give you an example of how it used to be done so then you could appreciate nonlinear editing?

Yeah. Or, cause the way that you apply it is like, you went to school so long ago that we didn't have NLEs. Digital, it was just starting, premiere and all that. Premier, final cut. Was just starting, and I remember them saying

it's going to come, I graduated in 04, I remember them saying it's going to come, but it wasn't quite there, and the school didn't offer it. Newhouse, which is the top, one of the top sports journalism and broadcasting schools and journalism schools in the country didn't quite have it and when you would buy premiere would come on a diskette and you'd stick it in the flop you drive that's funny yeah I didn't I didn't even get to that point Wow what

else yeah hey tomorrow on the program we have two in studio guests how fun is that the great Lou DiBella who has been in the boxing game dating back to his time as an executive at HBO Sports. And then now, of course, as a promoter, he is very opinionated when it comes to boxing. I thought it would be a great time to pick his brain on all things TKO boxing and the state of the game. He will join us in studio and Wrestling Royalty will join us in studio as well. Third generation superstar, Natalia Nighthart, the daughter of the late great Jim B. Anvil Nighthart, who is one of the nicest human beings on the planet. She is salt of the earth. She will join us in studio as well to talk many different

things. So looking forward to that. We may have one other guest as well. We have a pack show coming your way on Wednesday, but for now my friends, it is time to that. We may have one other guest as well. We have a Pac show coming your way on Wednesday. But for now, my friends, it is time to go. Yeah. You know, I thought that on the whole it was a pretty pleasant conversation with Dylan. It was great. There were a couple of times where... It was great.

As soon as you asked him why he wasn't bringing the heat, he started bringing the heat. So mental sparring, huh? It's just like, it's the same old hits, you know? It's the same old hits. But I think he feels like he has to be that guy. Which is not, you know, I don't know. Maybe it is necessary. I don't think it's necessary.

But mental sparring and mental gymnastics, as they say. Beats KSI, beats Tony Ferguson. He comes immortalized on the wall. Are you gonna regret saying it? Hits on the wall, signs a UFC contract. Listen, it's actually not that far-fetched. I know, stating things that if they happen. No, no, but I know, unless he really is in training and will just show up and kind of put on the same performance that he just had against Logan or had a year and a half ago he

could beat these guys the speech you gave him I think is gonna inspire you think so he's gonna I felt something on the wall quote on the wall I felt something in his eyes he felt you caring about him yeah like look this guy cares about me I think you can get it done I think you can get it done I'm not rooting for anyone no dog in the race but it's not like he's biting off more than you can chew like you know when he says like I could be John Jones or I could be this I'm like you're biting off more than you can chew these are winnable fights does he win remains to be seen but they're

maybe not 50 50s 60 40s 55 45s it's also not interesting unless you 48 yeah it's only interesting if you can win what a-48? Yeah. It's only interesting if you can win. What a day. Thanks to you. Thanks to all our guests. Thanks to them. Back on Tuesday, September 16th. Peace.

I'm out of here.