The Ariel Helwani Show - Francis Ngannou, Paulo Costa in studio, Michael 'Venom' Page, Bryan Battle, Tim Elliott, UFC 319 reaction

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Ariel Helwani opens the show with a full recap of UFC 319, including a response to the chatter of Khamzat Chimaev being “boring” (02:28).Paulo Costa joins Ariel in-studio to react to Chimaev’s victory, talk about the UFC’s decision not to have him front row in Chicago, his game plan for a potential Chimaev fight, their past run-ins, making his acting debut, and his faith (1:01:00).Then, Paulo dusts off the clippers to give NewYorkRic another haircut (1:58:11).Francis Ngannou is next, reacting to recent comments by PFL Chairman Donn Davis about their first event in Africa and expressing his own vision for PFL Africa. He also discusses the status of his relationship with the PFL, Jon Jones’ retirement, still wanting to fight Deontay Wilder, details from April’s motorcycle accident, and more (2:14:47).Michael "Venom" Page returns after his victory over Jared Cannonier at UFC 319 to talk about the performance, whether he’ll go back down to welterweight or remain at middleweight, hanging out with Carlos Prates, potential fights against Jack Della Maddalena and Leon Edwards, and more (2:58:48).Tim Elliott, fresh off an upset win over Kai Asakura, makes his show debut to discuss his game plan for the fight, being vocal about wanting digital scales to be used for weigh-ins, returning from a long layoff, responding to critics on social media, and more (3:10:05).Bryan Battle is the final guest of the day and he’s back to discuss UFC 319 fight week, including his weight miss that led to his bout being cancelled, believing he can still make middleweight, hoping for the fight to be rebooked for October, dealing with the blowback from fans, and more (3:39:44).Ariel and the Boys in the Back close the show with more news and notes and your Super Chats (4:05:36).

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Eriya-A-Waddy show. Back in your life on this Monday, August 18, 2000. And 25, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. I am doing great. for asking. It is great to be here on a post-paper-view Monday. What a pay-per-view Saturday we had. What a last few days in the world of combat sports, and in particular, in the world of mixed martial arts we've had. I cannot wait for today's program. Nothing quite like a post-paper-view Monday. And to be honest, we don't get many of these left. There's maybe just after today four left ever? Is that possible?

Does a post-Paramount Plus Monday quite hit the same? Does a post-paramount? Post-CBS Monday hit the same? A post-P-L-E Monday? Maybe. That remains a B-C. We don't have to worry about that for now because Saturday night in Chicago. The UFC was back for the first time in six years. 2019.

June, to be exact, was their last show there. What a comeback. First of all, shout out to Chicago. Incredible crowd. Incredible people. Hyped. The press conference was, I mean, the energy was off the chain as the kids like, to say, or is it off the chains? I'm not sure. It's one of the other. It was very electric, all right?

The hype was at an all-time high. Way in, same thing. And then Saturday night, as far as the crowd, the turnout, the atmosphere, everything was great. And I thought it was the best pay-per-view of the year so far. And that includes the main event, because in the main event, you know by now that a new champion was crowned in the 185-pound division. His name, Hamzaa Chamaev, as dominant of a win by a challenger in a UFC title fight that we have ever seen. 50 to 44, 50 to 44, 50 to 44, 50 to 44. He 50 to 44d the reigning defending champion

who had won nine fights in a row who had been looking incredible as of late. DDP's reign as a champion, pretty damn amazing. And that's what Chamsat did to him. Only one 10-8. There were a lot of people online who thought the first round should have been a 10-8. The stats, staggering, absolutely staggering. Our friend Ovin, who does a great job with our graphics, our YouTube thumbnails, our social graphics, the posts and all that stuff, compiled some of the incredible stats that Hamzad had coming out of that fight.

Take a look at this. Tied for second-most takedowns in a UFC title fight, 12. second most control time in a UFC fight, 21 minutes and 40 seconds. Just a reminder, it's a 25 minute fight. Most head strikes landed in a UFC fight. Not title fight, UFC fight, period, 411. Most ground strikes landed in a UFC fight. Not title fight, fight, period.

517. Most strikes landed in a UFC fight. Not title fight, fight, period. 529. second most strikes attempt in a UFC fight 567. Now, I know the naysayers will say, well, a lot of that was, you know, pitter-patter stuff on the ground. Trust me, and pitter-patter stuff from a guy that comes at Shemayv while you're in crucifix position is no freaking walk in the park. Many hot takes pertaining to this fight in the aftermath. I said it on Saturday with Pizzi Carroll

on our post-fight show. I feel just as strongly about it on Monday. Some 48, less than 48, 36 or so hours later. To me, that was entertaining. And I'm not doing the, hey, this apex card is really great. And if you don't appreciate it, you know, a card filled with a bunch of guys who are six and one that you've never heard of coming off contenders series, you're not a real fan. You're not hardcore. You don't appreciate MMA. You're just a casual. I'm not doing that thing. When you have a challenger come into a title fight and absolutely dominate the way in which he did, when you have a guy that we've been talking about for five years, five years we had been talking about this guy being champion ever since his debut. When he rolled through his first fight and then

came back 10 days later, we've been talking about this being inevitable. I was trying to think there have been guys that have come in with a lot of promise, guys that have come in with a lot of hype, big signings. I don't know if since someone's debut, who wasn't necessarily a big signing from another organization, did we ever say, yeah, this guy's going to be champion? It's just a matter of one. And as I've said a million times over the past week, I thought it would be by the end of 2021, and I was being very conservative when I said that. He debuted in July of 2020. I was being very conservative saying, this guy's going to be champion in at least one division, because remember, it was first 170, then 185, by the end of 2021. But then the COVID thing happened,

and then the retirement thing happened. And then he came. came back, and then he couldn't make weight, and then he had visa problems. A whole host of things happened. And oh, by the way, when he fought, a narrative started to develop that if a fight with him went past the first round, he'd be in shambles. Just ask Gilbert Burns. Just ask Kamar Usman. Past the first round, this guy is in shambles. So that's why, as I was watching on Saturday the first time Hamzat not only fights for a belt but amazingly considering the run that he had been on

the first time that he main-evented a UFC show has there ever been a star like this and whether you like him or respect him or not you have to acknowledge the fact that this guy is a superstar has there ever been a star like this who had not headline leading up to his first title fight

he had been on some big cards before big opportunities, but never in that main event slot, him coming in there and dominating DDP off the jump every single round. There were some moments of hope there in the fifth round for Drickis, but let's be honest, it was pretty much one-way traffic throughout. And then you're starting to think, okay, what happens in the third? What happens in the fourth? Because it is tiring to take a man down and hold them down, believe it or not. What happens when it gets into those championship rounds. And DDP being so awkward, being so unconventional, unorthodox, all those words, you always

kind of felt, or at least I did, I always felt like, okay, he would have a moment. And he had a couple of those, as brief as they were in the fifth round. I was locked in. There have been way worse title fights than that one. Like the hysteria over this fight, is this going down? Is my fight of the year? Absolutely not. Is it on the short list?

No. but I was locked in and I enjoyed it. And in addition to all of that, let's be real about one thing. When's the last time Hamsat's been in a boring fight? So this thing, like I put up on the YouTube page, describe Hamsut in one word. Boring, boring, boring. When's the last time this guy's been in a boring fight? Was the Whitaker fight boring?

No, of course not. Where his two first, the fights at the beginning of the run boring, was the Gerald Miershardt fight boring? Was the Ustman fight boring? Was the Gilbert Burns fight boring? Even that one? Not boring. Kevin Holland, boring?

None of these fights were boring. He's never been in a boring fight. He went in there and dominated the champion and had no reason to change the game plan. Jurgis gave him no reason to change the game plan. And you know what? I left that fight obviously blown away by the dominance, but also gaining a new level

respect for Drickus, never quit, had a smile on his face, was telling his team, I got him, I got him, show true fighting spirit. I believe Drickus and his team when they say he's going to come back better. And even if he never becomes champion again, no one predicted this. Anyone who tells you that they predicted Drickis to come over from KSW and become UFC champion is an absolute liar. No one thought this would happen. No one thought that he would have this kind of run. Be a thousand percent honest with yourself, you did not see this coming. Perhaps your respect for him grew over time, but when he walked into the UFC, you did not see this coming.

No one was predicting it. Even the guys who watch every single KSW fight. And he had great success there as well. So I actually felt like he represented himself in his team and his country very well. He just, he met a locomotive. He met a guy who right now might just be, I'm not putting him number one pound for pound because he hasn't done enough. but in terms of pure dominance

might just be the closest thing that we've seen to like prime Brock Lesnar when he just went in there and steamrolled people in a much different way. Don't get me wrong. But there you have it. 15 and 0 in MMA,

9 and 0 in the UFC. Clearly the visa stuff has now been taken care of. The big question is can he be active? Can he be a fighting champion? Last few years he's fighting once a year, give or take a month or two.

That can't happen as champion. I always felt that they were reluctant to give him the title shot until they got his visa stuff sorted or until President Trump became President Trump again. 47. You can't have a champion who can't fight in North America. That's been sorted, clearly. Now he has to fight, I'm not saying he has to fight Volcanovsky type of activity, but like twice a year, at least, can't fight once a year.

is a champion. I know some guys have gotten away with it lately, but I don't think that's ideal for anyone involved. So he was asked about Abu Dhabi, I don't know. Him and Tom on the same card, not sure about that. Seems like someone you want to keep for Paramount Plus. Those cards are now set. There is the December pay-per-view Volkanowski campaigning for that one that could happen, I suppose. But things need to be sorted at 185 as well. We'll get into all of that. Bottom line, though, this idea that he is a boring fighter is insane. That just says, I'm not saying you're a casual if you say that. I'm just saying you probably have never seen him fight before. Like, he's 9 and 0 in the UFC. He had one fight that you may deem boring. The other eight,

there's nothing boring about them. So it might have been your first time watching him, which is, all right, cool, welcome, welcome to the party. And number two, I felt like I was locked in throughout because of the pure dominance, which you rarely see that in a title fight, because of how, you know, Drickus seems to pull things out of his back pocket, because of the fact that it seemed like it was going into the Championship Browns, and we were all wondering how he would look in the Championship Browns, and I wanted to see if he would gas out, and he didn't. It delivered. And oh, by the way, if you did pay $799 for that pay-per-view on ESPN Plus, you're telling me,

like, I called this the card of the year, and I got some hate for it, you're telling me that what you saw in the co-main event wasn't worth the price of admission Lorone Murphy spinning back elbow knockout of Aaron Pico who was looking good early on making his UFC debut moving forward pressuring

10 seconds prior the broadcast team is going like look at his striking look how crisp it is there was this whole thing about Pico finally making it to the UFC the stud that he is the boxing as good as it was and there's Lorone Murphy

who had five straight decisions, 8-1-1 in the UFC, stuck on the apex cards, finally showing up and saying, enough of this, knocking him out with a spinning back elbow, and in my opinion, stamping his ticket

to a title fight against Alex Wokanovsky. Someone needed to do something. Mofsard just doesn't fight. He doesn't fight. Three fights ago, he was fighting Diego Lopez in May of 2023. This guy fought like six times. in that in that span of time he does not fight and oh by the way the idea that he's like moving

up past moussar they both have the same amount of wins now in the ufc both nine wins moffsar has a couple more fights like literally two more fights on his pro resume murphy has done enough absolutely you do that that's enough you could sell that guy now and there's Volk. Maybe the most fighting champion that there ever's been. Because here's a guy who when he wins, he says, give me the toughest guy in the division. Give me the scariest guy. Give me the boogeyman.

Who is it? Oh, it's Mofstar. Okay, I'll take him. Mofstar is going to fight Aaron Pico. Oh, sorry, bud. I wanted to fight you. He gets hurt. Here comes Lerone.

All right, then I'll fight him. The guy who just pulled that off. The 10th spinning back fist, KO in UFC history. Do you know when the ninth was? 20 minutes prior. never before has this happened obviously back to back spinning back did i say fist spinning back elbow chaos we're so used to spinning back fist the the elbows are so freaking unique and rare carlos preaches with a spinning back elbow knockout of jeff neal carlos proches just a

week ago told us this guy had never been stopped before via strikes in the ufc i'll be the first to do it. I mean, he might as well have been smoking a sick. He was that confident. He was that comfortable in talking to us about this. First, he lands the lead elbow, and then he falls it up. And I got to be honest, it was a walk-off buzzer beater at the end of the first round. I thought, I thought it was a spinning back elbow.

It happened so fast. You see Dana and Hunter Campbell going crazy there. Pratchez, back on top, back in the wind column, the day before his birthday. What a legend this guy has turned to do. He's going to be a cult-like figure in our sport if he hasn't become one already. Shows up to the Post-Fide press conference. Smoking a SIG.

Actually smoking a SIG. U.S.C. put together a great... Carlos, what does a post-knockout cigarette feel like? It feels amazing. Smelling like cigarettes up here. Who's smoking in there? Incredible. I love it.

I love that everyone played it off. I love that Dana did in mind. The guy's standing up there looking like G. G.C. and Pizzi after a bender on a Saturday night just like going like this. I don't know. Am I doing it right?

Holding a beer in the back. In the back after the fight. This is the stuff that makes you into a fan favorite, a legend. And of course, spinning back elbow knockouts like that one. Back to back, number nine and number 10, in the span of 20 minutes. I bring all this up because how could you say this was a bad card? Oh, the main event didn't end in a mauling,

like a submission, like the Robert Whitaker one? you don't think you got your money's worth with those two spinning back elbows? Oh, by the way, what about MVP looking like a prime Tim Hardaway slash Alan Iverson against Jared Cannonier multiple knockdowns while doing the Utep two step out there?

The killer crossover. I mean, I didn't know British guys had moves like that. It was unbelievable. That might have been the best version of Michael Van & Page that we've seen in the UFC so far. Dropping Cannoneer

with a single right like that in the first round? MVP, I did not see a run at 185 coming for this guy. And he would drop and he'd say, okay, chill, bro, chill, come back. Let's have a chat. No problem, bro. Okay, come back.

No problem, no problem. I mean, this was vintage prime MVP. You were entertained by that? Okay, what about the first fight? the pay-per-view, Tim Elliott, losing the first round and coming back and submitting Kai Sakura and the second. The OG, 38 years young, tied for most wins at 125 pounds, has had quite the run in the UFC, another submission, which I believe also tied him with Figureto, if my memory serves

me correct, in any event, gets the gilly here against Kaia Sakura, who is now 0-2 in the UFC, tough sledding for him, debuts against him. Pantosha in a title fight and then the tough out, Tim Elliott. We were wondering if Asakura wins, would they book him against Taturo, Taira in Japan? I guess they could still do that now, but a lot of that momentum has been lost. Like, that's an incredible pay-per-view. And you got to see a dude dominate for five rounds in a title fight. Not to mention everything else on the prelims, but like the idea that that pay-per-view did not deliver is absolutely absurd. And I get it. All week long, we've been talking about pay-per-view being dead and it being

antiquated and all this stuff. I can understand if you're sitting at home being like, man, do I really have to pay for this? Like in five months, I don't have to do this anymore. Can we just end this now? I get it. 80 bucks a lot. That was the fourth UFC pay-per-view since the first week of June. A bit of a break now. The next one is October 4th. The one in Las Vegas, Pereira versus Ankolae of two, I should say. Murab versus Corey Sanhagen. So a bit of a break. An almost, almost two-month break coming up as far as paper views are concerned. The next big show, September. November 13th, Nochu UFC was supposed to be a pay-per-view. They turned it into a fight night to not go head-to-head with Canello Crawford. That one had lied by Diego Lopez versus

John Silva. I thought it was a phenomenal card. I was locked in. I enjoyed it. Those performances were fantastic, and we'll talk to some of those guys on today's program. Now, in about 42 minutes time, the great Paulo Costa is going to join us. In studio, Costa was on a freaking heater as far as the tweets were concerned. We know that he hates Khamsa Chamaev, like genuinely hates him, shaking back and forth

at the press conference when asked about him. He was firing off all kinds of crazy tweets. Does anyone remember any OG fans out there remember what it was like when Costa?

What happened when he was last in studio on this program? Any OG fans remember this? Anyone? Anyone? Can we show them? visual, a visual, oh yeah, that's what happened.

If you're new to the program, this is not AI, this is not a Photoshop, this is what happened the last time Paulo Costa came in studios, so Lord knows. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that's a shirtless Paulo Costa. And that's in New York, Rick, where they, was, at that point, it wasn't even a man bun, right? It's a ponytail or a manned, I had full long hair, not even a baby. I don't even remember that. I remember man bun, I don't remember ponytail, Rick.

It's tough. Look at the disgust on, on GC's face. I'm just looking back. I mean, look, his hair looks great right now. It's bronzed up from being at the beach. Oh, yeah. And these pictures are, I don't know how we let him on the show back then. Yeah, that was September of 2022.

That was a great day. That was one where we had MJF, Action, and Paolo all in studio. That was an all-time. Legendary. Yeah, I forgot about that. Tremendous day. And by the way, shout out to you guys for some tremendous viewership on Saturday. I think our second most watched party.

I was just so locked in. I was enjoying seeing the numbers go up and up during the main event. I was kind of secretly hoping that it would go 25 minutes just so that we got more and more numbers. That's how locked in I was. I was shout to the fighters for making it a big card. People interested in. Yeah, that too, that too.

So anyway, Pavel Costa at 2 o'clock, then at 3.30, the one and only, The Predator, Francis and Gannu. First time we speak to Francis guys since October of last year. It's been a minute following his big win on that PFL supercard in Riyadh. So a lot to discuss. with the one and only Francis Sanghanu.

405. Michael Venom Page will join us. Talk about the big win over Jared Cannonier. 425, Tim Elliott will join us. Talk about the big win over at Kaiusakura. 445, Brian Battle will join us. Tough night for him. Didn't get the fight. Tough weekend for him.

Missed weight again. Moved from 170 to 185 and had an issue on the scales and then they canceled the fight. Remember, he missed weight at 170. just a few months back when he was supposed to fight Randy Brown did end up fighting Randy Brown

but had to give up some of the purse well this time around didn't even make it to the fight they canceled it and everyone is wondering now about the butcher's UFC future so there's the five pack of guests an absolute stellar lineup

if I do say so myself shout out to the Booker and it's a post-paper-view money so we got a lot to get into guys what do you think I had some things to say about the main event about the card let's talk about this

chamsat Shamaev is boring the guy's getting a lot of hate, and this is the way it goes, right? They sign up for this. He's happy. I saw that he got a hero's welcome back home and is adopted home country now of the United Arab Emirates. He's waving that flag. He was once representing Sweden because he would train over with the All-Stars team, the likes of Alex Gustafson and Reza Madadi and all those boys, Ilya Latifi, who I did see in attendance on Saturday. Prior to that, of course, grew up in Chechnya moved to Sweden to really begin his uh his MMA journey but over the last couple years he has adopted UAE as his own here's the homecoming courtesy of Red Corner MMA they love

him over there a man a few words hey there's a leer uh being showered and it always felt like it was going to be inevitable I love watching primary league soccer and they say it just had to be him. It's inevitable. Chris Wood is inevitable. Morgan Gibbs White is inevitable. It just had to be Callum Hudson Adoy. Shout at the Forest 3-1 over Brentford yesterday. But they always like to say that. It just had to be him. It just had to be Hamzad. That's how we all felt since 2020. It just had to be Hamza. And now he's the champ and everyone's crapping on him because they say it was boring. Was that boring New York, Rick? Did you hate that? Were you falling asleep while doing the watch party? No, I did not hate that. I did not find it boring. Having said that,

I can understand if somebody else did. Not every fight is for everybody's tastes. I tend to have a higher threshold for that, right? Like some of the fighters who have been boring in the past, like Balal Mohammed and others, I tend to have more of a tolerance for and a threshold for and find exciting. And as I, in the lead up to this, I called this my Super Bowl. This was my Super Bowl because I thought these two were going to go head first at each other, and we were going to see an absolute car wreck, and it ended up being something completely different from that, and I was still satisfied because of what I think of Drickus du plesi, and what I think Hamza was able to do to somebody who had been steamrolling the rest of this middleweight division. So I was

impressed. I was not bored, and I think the talk of Hamzaa being boring is quite frankly coming from stupid people. I don't mind anyone calling it boring. It was great. grappling and it was complete dominance for 25 minutes. You compared it to the Super Bowl, it was kind of like that Rams Patriot Super Bowl that had no offense. It was like 13 to three. It was this defensive battle. It was, you know, not the most exciting fight. I will also say that it was a letdown of a fight in terms of the aspirations that I had for it, how exciting I thought it could have been, how much of a car crash I thought that it could have been. it ending up just being this 50-44 domination,

one-way DDP having absolutely no answers for what Hamza Tchamai threw at him. Like he, there was, there was very few seconds where it looked like DDP could even be competitive in this fight. It was, it was that dominant. So I don't mind people calling it boring. What I do mind is people calling Hamzat Shamaia boring. I think that is absolutely insane,

this slander campaign that's getting put on them on, on Instagram and Twitter right now. The hate that I'm seeing for this guy is crazy. He has 15 fights, 12 finishes, where one fight removed from this dude ripping Robert Whitaker's jaw off of his face in the very first round. Like, to call him boring is crazy to me.

I will look forward to his next fight. I'm looking forward to this title reign. I think that he can change this narrative. I mean, MMA fans are the most fickle of all sports fans. It feels like, and it feels like it'll take one more finish from him, two more finishes from him,

and everyone will be back in his good graces. I mean, just look at the run of the UFC. John Phillips, he absolutely annihilated him in his UFC debut. He won via second round submission, not boring at all. Reese McKee, he absolutely not. I mean, those stats, by the way, were insane back in the day in terms of like the amount of strikes he absorbed, like one per fight. He's had four UFC fights where the opponent landed zero significant strikes,

one where they landed one and one where they landed two. Exactly. Gerald Mearschart knocked him out in 17 seconds, came back. That was three fights in the span of a month and a half. two months. Knocked him out bad, too. Dropped him like a sack of potatoes. Li Jing Liang, absolutely, you know,

annihilated him as well, submitted him in the first round. Gilbert Burns' fight for as much as people may have felt, oh, he was, I don't know, exposed or taken to deep water, stuff like that. It was still a good fight.

It was a war, you have to... They both got dropped in that fight. Let me just keep going. Kevin Holland submitted him very quickly. That was the crazy one where he missed weight. You know, he was supposed to fight Nate Diaz. Kamar Usman, also, very entertaining fight. Again, that was probably the closest one,

majority decision win, but still won that fight. And then it was Whitaker and then it was DDP. Like there has not been a single boring fight. And again, I'm not going, like, if you pay it's 80 bucks and you're like, that's not my cup of tea, I get it. And trust me, if he does that five more times, I'll say like, yeah, he's become a boring fighter. That was just pure domination and there was no reason for him whatsoever to stand with DDP. Like, I have the utmost respect for DDP and I actually have more respect for the way he handled that and never gave up. But if there's any sort of criticism, it's like, hey, you didn't stop. the takedown. Hey, you didn't get up, right? That's where the criticism should be. If something's

working, could you imagine what we would be saying here? On this Monday, if he did that for four rounds and then said in the fifth round, you know what, let me just stand and trade with this guy. Because DDP could have stopped him. He could have knocked him out. DDP's a better striker than he is. What would we have said? Stupidest guy in the world, biggest choke artist. He will regret that for the rest of his life. He's an absolute bum. Like, what would they have said? So, This will all subside. I know this. We've done this a million times.

But the idea that he's some sort of like boring hugger wrestler guy is just not true because he's had eight other fights in the UFC and none of them even remotely came close to being boring. Yeah. And you make a good point about the game plan and wanting to not put yourself in danger against DDP. When we have fights like this, the criticism is very, very often levied at only one party, right? Because Hamza is so dominant, everybody goes, well, Hamzaa should just be able to finish.

him. He didn't take an opportunity to finish him. I can agree with that to an extent, right? There might have been risks he might have been able to take to finish that fight. But one, it's a risk. And two, the onus is actually on DDP. The on Oness is not on Hamzaa Shamaev. If he wanted to risk getting choked out and put himself in a worse position to potentially get out, to counter Hamzat, to reverse Hamzat, to put himself at risk, but to have a greater upside, that's on DDP. That is not on Hamzaa Shamaev. Hamzaa Shamaev is the one who is winning this fight comfortably and does not need to take a risk at any point. Now, could he have? Certainly. And if somebody's going to argue that, I'm not going to have much pushback against that. But the one who

had an obligation to take a risk was actually DDP. And DDP did not take that risk. He was kind of comfortable letting Hamzot ride his back and staying there and not getting up. He was stuck in that position. The only time he really tried to get up wasn't when he's bucking when he was in crucifix. And he's not getting up from there. So I think this is a twofold thing. If you're going to have criticism. The criticism should be levied at both of the fighters involved in this. It can't just be on Hamzot to have to be unnecessarily taking risk when he's in complete control dominating the UFC champion. Yeah, and even in the brief moments there in the fifth round where he's striking, then all of a sudden you're like, oh man, is he going to have some success? He's

taken down. Yeah. It's just impossible. Hamsat was executing this game plan with little to no resistance to GDP the entire time. What do you expect him to do? This guy's about to achieve all of his dreams and become a UFC champion and he's executing the game plan with ease. Why would he not just continue to do that? He's also doing this against the guy in DDP who was on an 11 fight win streak, hadn't lost since 2018, was undefeated in the UFC and was a multi-time UFC champion. This wasn't some bum off the street. Like this, DDP is an incredibly high-level fighter and he 50-40-fortem on all three judges' scorecards. Sometimes people, I think, confuse pro wrestling and MMA slash UFC with like, oh, this is supposed to be entertaining.

Technically, like, the guys are just there trying to win, and there is such a big difference between winning and the money that you make there and losing and the money that you make there. When you win, you are put in a certain category. You get paid a certain amount. Up until very recently and until the end of 2025, you get paper viewpoints, and certainly they're going to try to offset all of that. But why are we also acting?

Like, is Hamza-Chimae's safety, Steve? Is he some guy who has not in the past come out? He's trying to explain to people that, like, this idea that if Hamzaa would have just been standing there and fought DDP like this, he's not a top-level striker. He's nowhere near. He's great. He's fine.

He's finished people of your striking. But DDP, as awkward and as unorthodox as he is, has way more of a history and a resume in the striking department than Hamza does. He did exactly what he should have done, and it worked very, very, very well, historically well, better than anyone has ever had success in a UFC title fight. also get stinkers all the time in other sports. This is like a game seven and one team wins by 40 points. Yeah, that just happened by the way. It's disappointing. It's not that exciting, but like you move on with your life. Like it's, it's okay. The anger that I see about this fight

not being that exciting is crazy to me. And the idea that Hamzaa Shamaev will never be in another exciting fight again and the middleweight division is screwed for the rest of UFC history is crazy to me. This is not a new predicament. This is not a new circumstance. It's not a new situation in MMA, right? Habib, oh, and his probably, like, in the early part of Habib's career, oh, they talk about him, he's this, now all of a sudden it's like, oh, Habib, and the plot it's never end. Even somebody like Demetrius Johnson, right?

Yeah. It is aged differently. George St. Pierre, to an extent, right? The early parts of the career where he's primarily using takedowns instead of the striking, it was, oh, he's boring, he's this, that, and the other, in time, this will all be forgotten. Plus, I expect Tom Zachamaya to probably get a finish in his next fight anyway. this will all be for not. It's a prisoner

of the moment type situation. One of the worst examples of a prisoner of the moment type thing that I can recall because of how many times Tom Zad has finished fights leading up to this. It's nonsense. It shouldn't even be talked about. GSP was boring. Jabfest. DJ was boring. They're all boring. They're all boring.

You're right. The UFC probably will look, there's no doubt. Even Dana said it in the post-fired press card. I was expecting a little bit more. They want the fireworks. We all get that. But here's... I was expecting a little bit more. Sure, sure, sure. I agree with that.

I think it was a bit of a letdown, but, like, I'm not angry about that. Well, this is the thing about the anger, by the way, because there was a mutual friend of ours was so angry online. And I hit it, I, I hit them up, and I said, what's going on here? Why are you so angry? What is this? And then he finally said, like, oh, I may or may not have had some money on DDP. That's, that's it.

You're so mad that you convince yourself that DDP. That's the era that we live in. Most of the anger that you see is because. They are mad at themselves or mad at the fighter because they bet on him. Oh, especially if you bet on DDP for this fight and the way that he lost, I can imagine you're throwing some furniture. This is the perfect encapsulation. Why the fuck are you mad at Hamza Chamaev?

Be mad at DDP! Exactly. What are you mad at Hamza for? He took the dude's lunch money. What are you upset with the Hamza? He really did, bro. He took the crucifix like multiple times over. It was just dominance, man.

DDP, you said it perfectly. To his credit, at no point gave up in that fight, right? It is very easy to get demoralized in there. At no point did I feel like DDP just doesn't want to be in here. At every opportunity he possibly had, he tried to make something happen. Late in the fifth round, that was kind of like the best opportunity for him.

But he didn't have answers. And if you're going to be mad at somebody in this fight, it's DDP. It is not Hamzat. Hamza did exactly what he needed to do and did it to a historically good degree. What about DDP out there soaking his sorrows with the beer. You guys see that?

Man, he's just like downing there. It's like one gulp. He does those win or lose, man. His chugging ability is second to not. It's like, he chugs against dudes that are good at chugging, and he like gives it a pause. He like gives them a head start.

He's like, yeah, I'm going to beat you anyway. So you know, obviously you see Dana. They say, okay, okay, the next one we want, we want this to be exciting. We want to put Chamsat in the best light possible. And for the UFC, the best light possible is super entertaining fights. right now there's a jockeying of position at 185 pounds and and what's fun about this is 185 and 170 for the longest time i'm saying like five six years it has felt like the same

dudes squatting on their spot those days are over at 170 they are over we're currently in the jack della madalena era you've got guys like sean brady and ian mitchado gary and shavkat rachmanov coming up you've got other guys like carlos prachis and michael morales like it's all new names and we're getting the exact same thing now at 185 pounds. Hamza Chimaev is there, guys like Caiobahalio and Nasruddin I'mov. You know, these are names that have, all the names that I've just mentioned, to the best by knowledge of top of my, yeah, none of them have fought for belts. None of them have fought for belts, unless I just mentioned someone, RDR, obviously.

So the question is, Anthony Fluffy Hernandez, too. How do you think this plays out at 185? Kyle Bahalio and Nasur Dina Mavaev are fighting in in Paris in just a couple of weeks. I think that's a number one contender fight. I also think that they will not announce it as such. They never do that. They don't do that anymore. We talked about this on Saturday.

I think the reason for that is they don't want to hitch their wagon to one particular horse just in case something goes wrong or just in case a fight is very boring. And so if Caiobahalio, I don't think this will happen, but if he wins in a very short a boring fashion or controversial fashion or whatever, they don't have to go in his direction. I think if Imov wins, people will go crazy for him over there. He's a big star over there. They adore him. Then it will seem like he's a superstar and they'll go in that direction. You have Fluffy Hernandez out there and I think he should fight RDR. Is there a chance that how do you guys think this plays out? Is it, in your mind, set that it's going to be the winner of

Kyle versus Imovove? What I loved on Saturday was Kyle was there, Fluffy was there, RDR was there I equated it to like an old school lumberjack match in WW where it just felt like all the top contenders were surrounding the ring just in case

Imov was at home Kyle was the backup fighter you've got Palo Costa who of course is coming in and doesn't like as he calls him gourmet Chin Chen how does this play out Rick what do you think?

Rick had to step out Rick had to step out I had to go get Palo the way that I think it plays out is I actually don't know how it plays out that's the tricky part that's great analysis right now

I know, I know. I was a little bit caught off guard because I thought Rick was going to be in. Who should we get? Should we get Oliver and Walter to sit in his... Hey, come on in, guys. No, so two weeks we got Kyle and Imov. But Hamzat and Dana both mentioned him fighting in UAE at the end of October. Now, you couldn't do the winner of Imov or Kayo there, but also would they even put him on that card because Tom Aspinall is fighting on that card? Are you really going to have two of your biggest stars fight on the same card? So I don't think that we get the UAE, and I think we end up getting the... winner of Imavov and Kayao, and I think they book RDR versus Fluffy, and that will be sort of like the de facto number two contender fight. Who has the best chance of beating Hamsat? So these are your options, Kyle.

The best part about all of them being there was that, like, I think they showed them going into the fourth or fifth round, and all their faces were kind of like, oh, fuck, man, this guy's, this guy's intense. Yeah. I was going to say the F word there, but my kids are actually in the control room. Do you notice that? Yeah, they're actually six feet away from what are they saying? What are they saying? Uh, they're not saying anything. What do they think about Hamzat? There's no reaction. No, there's a thumbs up. Guys, quick cameo of them, walk up to Rick's spot? Two of them stepped out. Ah, who's in there? He can't hear us. No, but which one is in there? Which of the three? Walter's in there. Walter, this is your chance. This is your moment. Who's

going to beat Hamzat? Ah, you blew it. Oh, there he is Oh, they are, okay Yes, the kids are here By the way, everyone Because, oh, there he is Oh, no, oh, oh Oh, oh no

The camera just got rerouted What happened? In real time In real time? He had a brief moment The kids are here Because there's no school We can get some audio from

He's on the microphone now Walter, what's up? What's up? How are you? Good. You were supposed to be on camera and now you're not on camera.

Why am I not on camera? I think there's haters out there. There's D1 haters out there. The opposite of D1 glazers. Who are the haters? I think they don't want to let you shine. What do you think of Hamza? You like him?

Yeah. You think he's exciting or do you think he's boring? He's exciting. Yeah, because he just dominated, right? Yeah. Who would you compare that to in terms of, like, pure domination? Like me on the basketball court? uh hell no you on the soccer field yeah that's right or jalen brunson yeah we can't show walter here huh

oh my gosh okay uh jalen brunson that's good analysis on your part yeah are you having fun yeah all right any good food out there canes yeah all right don't bother anyone okay we're cooking here okay we're cooking right down from there yes yes get down um all right is is Can I even talk to Connor or no? Yeah, I'm here, brother. But I can't see you. No, you can see me. You're left with me.

We had to reroute Rick's camera. Oh, because we're... For something... I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. A lot of moving and shaken back. I get it, I get it. There's a lot happening. A lot going on.

Well, it's fun. It's great to have the kids here, and it's great to talk about all of this. I do wonder, there's a consensus that seems to be that Anthony Hernandez is the one that's going to give him the most... Yeah. The most, I don't know. the physicality the grappling prowess

the finishing the I don't give a crap the I don't give a fuck of him yeah I go dropping the af no it's all good it's all good kids right here

Claire has now joined this as well which makes it worse yeah this is a banner day for me yeah I would have to agree but even then Hamza's still

still a massive favorite in that fight I wonder to me the only question is how often can they get him to fight he said afterwards no injuries

he said he was good to go but how often can they get this guy to fight because clearly like he's not he's not pound for pound yet but you can make a very strong case that despite all of this talk which is going to go away given who he represents

given the Muslim background all that stuff and more he could end up being one of the biggest stars in the UFC and the reason why we got to the point of him being one of the biggest stars in the UFC was because in his previous eight fights in the UFC he absolutely mulled annihilated people Hamza Chimaev wasn't someone that everyone was talking about coming into the UFC

Like there was some talk if you're if you're a Kaposa you knew Chamsat Shamaev But if you're just a UFC fan you didn't really like there wasn't a big hullabaloo over him coming over Pico had more Chandler had more even patchy mix had a hell of a lot more You saw him the first time he looked like a freaking menacing character and then you were like holy crap This guy is the real deal he comes back 10 days later does the same holy crap comes back a month and a half later or holy crap does the same. That's when everyone sort of fell in love with his aura, as the kids like to say.

What about that shot? Did you see that shot at the beginning of the fight where he's kneeling down and actually looks like a wolf where he has that menacing smile on his face? Yeah. Terrifying. Yeah, people were saying he was aura farming there.

That's aura farming? What? You're just trying to use that way. That is the opposite of aura farming. No, isn't that? Well, what? Because he knew that he was on camera? Yeah.

By the way, he doesn't actually know that he's on camera in that moment. Unless he can see the screen, he doesn't know which camera the director is picking. I guess that's true. I guess Kyle could also have a chance at beating him.

He's good on the ground. Who's the favorite in the Kyle versus Nasrudeen fight? I think Kyle versus I think Nasrudeen and him I think they used to train together back in the day. Am I wrong about that?

I think so. Nassardine minus 142, Kyle plus 1.000. Kyle will sell that. He'll tell that. talk it up. Man, it would be great to see Hamzao fighting the UAE the way that they love him over there. I mean, I don't

think he's taken the UAE flag off of his shoulders. I know. He just posted an Instagram picture of him meeting with people and he's still just draped in it. They love him over there. I could you imagine him and Tom on the same card? How long before he goes for 205? Or does he go for

170? Probably not 170. I think he could... I don't know. In interviews last week, he kept mentioning going back down to 117. as opposed to going up to 205. But he also was just like, whoever wins Magamette and Alex Pereira, I'll just take them out as well.

So, I mean, I don't know. I need to see a couple defenses at 185 before we go anywhere else, though. There's a dude on Instagram that does imitations of him in Islam. You know this guy? Yeah. And the way, it's like even at the Post-Fi press cover

when he comes up there with the belt, like the way he speaks, he is so just sort of, you know, subdued and nonchalant about it all. It's, I mean, he is a very, very unique character. Let us talk about some of the other tremendous performances. What do you think? Who had a better spinning back elbow knockout? Prachis or Mr. Murphy? Prochis, just because it flattened Jeff and it was a buzzer beater at the end of the round.

I think I popped harder for the Murphy one because it was a little bit cleaner as far as the shot, the camera angle. You could see it. I thought it was a spinning back fist with Pratchis, which is Me too. Equally as insane. But when they said elbow, I was like, really? Did they get that wrong? And then I saw it. But I also think it's because we just don't see that from Murphy.

I wasn't expecting that. First knockout since 2021, I believe. Yeah. And Pico was looking good. He was coming forward. He was looking good. But as Murphy said afterwards, he was figuring out his timing. He was ready for it.

And then one of his teammates, the great Luke Barrow, or not sent me this video of them practicing the spinning back elbow in the locker room before the fight. We have this video in the locker room. It's Lorone Murphy practicing. I love when these things emerge afterwards. It's always so fun because it's like, ah, there it is. None of this is by chance. But like to have the presence of mind in the fight itself to throw that incredible. Is Lerone Murphy next? Has to be. I think it's, it's absolute. Has to be.

Has to be, right? That and Volk saying it, tweeting it, making the video about it. He did say he wanted Mofstar at one time, but like this dude has all the momentum. Yeah, situation has changed. This is, this is the MMA business. Plus, isn't Lerone 9-0 in the UFC now? They're exactly the same. Yeah, so like, he's coming off a much, much more exciting victory. Look, Mofsar's last win was against Al Jemaine Sterling, and Al Jemaine is a legend and a former champion at 135. That was a decision win.

This is a spinning back elbow. I'm not going to compare Pico's resume to Sterling. That's unfair to Sterling. So maybe the quality of the win is... Well, compare a ninth decision victory to a spinning back elbow victory. You know what's crazy? When you do this between Lerone Murphy and Mofsar, take a look at this real quick.

So, Moussar beat Diego Lopez in May of 2023, May 6th, 20203. Since then, you know how many times he's fought? Twice. Twice. He beat Arnold Allen in January of 2024. He beat Al Jemann Sterling in December of 2024. He has yet to fight in 2025, okay? He was actually supposed to have this Pico fight.

Yeah, in July. Yeah. Since that fight against Diego Lopez, in May of 23 Lorone Murphy has fought six times

including Saturday so it's six to two pico spinning back elbow Josh Emmett decision Igay decision

Barbosa decision Josh Kulibau decision give it to Murphy it's it's not even a Best ability

Lorone Murphy has been that and then he put a stamp on it on Saturday night Mofsar versus Yeyer sure

sounds good take it the only thing that I think could throw a wrench in all of this but I don't think it should and I don't think it will I'm just bringing it up what if John Silva does something crazy against Diego Lopez?

We're not going to see Lopez. If Lopez wins, then this makes it even easier. If John Silver does something crazy and starts barking and like starts jumping onto the fence and like people go Gaga in that moment because again we're all prisoners of the moment I still think what Murphy did here.

If John Silva scores a spinning back elbow knockout in the first two minutes, we're going to be like John Silver K-O's Diego Lopez Volk tweets it out All right, John Silva's next Makes a video

But by the way, this is how this should work Every single time we say something like this Every time we go That guy should get a title shot off this It is subject to change It is with a huge asterisk There says if some other contender In a month from now

Has a better performance They get bumped And that's exactly how it should be Where do you even put them? December? That's what Vol called for Yeah, December. Last pay-per-view.

By the way, savvy move on Volk's part one last pay-per-view point get that in there you know what I mean savvy move love that very very smart I could not have been more blown away

by Lorone Murphy from start to finish not just the spinning elbow which obviously is highlight real worthy will be on you know replays K-O the your contender the hyper extension

of the arms in the clinches the way he was countering he looked like somebody who is extremely prepared for the pressure that Aaron Pico was going to bring him and then finish the fight I was, it was my best performance of the night, even more so than Hamzad.

I was, I was blown away by Lord of Murphy. Insane. Insane. The guy's dedication and focus. By the way, get his story out there to the masses, especially in the UK. The guy was shot in the face multiple times. Bullet went through his cheek. They don't call him the miracle for nothing.

The absolute miracle. You know what's interesting about, about this whole situation? So not that long ago, I see someone in the YouTube chat saying, wasn't Ariel campaigning for Mofsar? Yeah, I was. But things change. Subject to change. Always.

He had a fight. He got hurt, and the guy who replaced him has now the same amount of wins as him. It's not like I'm going for someone who's won like three in a row versus nine in a row. It's not like I'm saying this guy debuted. No, if Pico would have won, I would have been like, yeah, still doesn't seem fair. Murphy just won his ninth in a row and scored one of the most spectacular knockouts of the year. Let's say it was Pico. Let's say Pico was the one who landed the spinning back elbow.

I wouldn't feel bad about saying that he could get it. I don't feel bad, but it's a conversation. There is no conversation here, in my opinion. There's no conversation. He's got the resume. He's got the highlight, and he's got the champ calling his name. Give him the title shot. Can I ask you guys?

In 2019, Aaron Pico was knocked out twice in a row. Pretty badly both times. Now this. Do you start to, like, he's not that old. Aaron Pico is 28. You do start to wonder. That's like three really bad knockouts in how many fights? 18 fights

I think I'm not that concerned about that part He had been on a nice run But that was a bad knockout I'm concerned about the style I'm concerned about the style Yeah

He is very aggressive And it is how he's been successful And not successful If he hadn't been doing this Would people be saying he's boring It'd be like oh shit Aaron Pico Another boring Bellator guy

There is no winning on the fan perspective I'm not necessarily concerned About the health too much To this point Like three knockouts is still three knockouts. It's not 10 knockouts. But his style is an aggressive style,

and this is bound to happen. He was in there trying to really hurt Laurel Murphy, some of those body shots that he was digging into, and he's a killer-be-killed guy, and he got killed. The Bellator guy's not having a ton of a lot. No, the success has been very bad. Tough. Tough. Kind of So-Cora, too, coming over from Verizon.

MVP was one against Holland. Kayla and MVP, but as far as this year is concerned? MVP, Reader to Ritter. Patchy Mix? Patchy Mix Pipple And now Pico O and 3 this year

As far as like the big name guys that have come over There's an account that I like very much And it's called Combat Sports Today Shout out to these guys They don't do a lot of the Engagement farming and whatnot And stealing stuff It's CSTT

Well actually CS Today News on X They actually compiled The records of the The names that have come over from major promotions as of late. Pipple 1 and 1 mix, you know, Pippel just 1, Mix O and 1, Page 3 and 1, Pika O in 1, Kala Harrison, 3 and O,

Chandler, 2 and 5. The best one, he's been around the longest, Volkov, 12 and 5. Kai Sukura, O and 2. RDR, obviously, from one championship 4 and 0, but the PFL slash Bellator guys, and as much as people want to,

to make it out to be a thing like, oh, this shows, it doesn't really show anything. Those were just, you know, first of all, they're fighting really good guys. Pitbull fought Yair, you know, Patchy just like, I still don't understand what that was, but still tough fight, Pico tough fight. Like, it's not like they're fighting bums. I don't know if it says anything larger about PFL and Bellatorre. I think people are going to want to run with that. But nevertheless, what a performance and what a run for that team, Manchester top team.

led by Carl Prince, the likes of Atiba Gautier on there, part of that team. Dakota used to train with them back in the day, Lewis McGillen as well. Lorone leading the charge here. A nice little run for that team out in Manchester. Prochus has been great, and that was a great win for him, and now he says he wants to fight October 11th. He had mentioned Leon Edwards, and my understanding is they wanted Leon Edwards. They had considered, or at least talked about a Leon Edwards fight against them.

Timing didn't work out. I just, I don't know. I have a hard time seeing Leon traveling to Rio. He wants to fight in Rio. Obviously, that's Carlos. I have a hard time seeing Carlos fight Leon in Rio. What do you guys think? I love that fight.

I absolutely love that fight. And I think it makes a lot of sense. I just, I don't know, for some reason, I have a hard time seeing it. Which is because he's been champ and sort of where he's at in his career. Yeah. But maybe, I mean, he doesn't have as much leverage. He just fought in London. He lost to Sean Brady.

Prior to that, of course, lost to Bilal, also back home. Maybe they say you owe us one. We gave you a few home games there. Man, he'd probably give Purchase that striking battle that he wants, too. Is that the fight to make? I don't know if it's the fight to make, but I would be down for that. And anyone, Carlos Precious fights, I'm going to be watching. I want to see Ian fight Sean Brady.

Yes. Shavkat is still out, unfortunately, and, you know, it's just the way it goes. He had his fight lined up and got injured and hasn't been back since. Usman is out there, but do you want to do Usman versus Prachis? Do you look on Michael Morales versus Usman. Oh, I thought you were going to say Morales versus Prachas, but I don't necessarily want to kill one off. A, I don't want to kill one off and B with where Morales is at in his career. He's seventh right now, and Prachis is down at 12.

he'll probably move up a couple of spots, but it feels like Morales is on that trajectory up to the title shot. Prattisna is insane, by the way. How is Pratchez not top ten? Deep division, man. Okay, but come on. Burns, Covington, stop it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, clear them out. You're right. Fair play. Nine. Come on. He should at least be nine. So he has one loss in the UFC, and it was to Machado Gary,

who I would argue should be even higher. Come on, he is top of him. I'm down for Morales or Edwards. I think either those buckley. Buckley's not bad. Morales versus Usman, you're killing, like that's not a favorable.

Wrestler versus striker, do you want to do that? Or maybe, I mean, you did it to Buckley and he showed that he could say. I got faith in Morales being able to pull that off.

He's been unbelievable. But also Usman, I mean, he turned back the clock against Buckley. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't against Morales as well. What about this MVP process idea?

Are they going to fight? Are they boys? They were partying after. I saw them partying, but MVP also said, the thing is, why, if you're MVP, why are you moving down to 1170?

You've now won two fights in a row at 85 Top 10 now You look really good You beat Jared Kennanier Yeah they are celebrating He looked very good But it is a bit concerning That it only took the slip

And then that entire third round Yeah Was Canineers I think he took his foot off the gas Or do you think Kenner figured him out I think he literally just He just made a mistake But the fact that all it takes is the one takedown

And he's essentially done for the entire round It's always kind of been the knock on MVP Well, we're two knocks. The wrestling and also like, hey, you won't be able to do this stuff in the UFC. And credit to the guy, he's now been in the UFC and had some success, right? When he knocked him down, I think, the second time. I know. And then he just starts emoting on him.

I was like, this guy is crazy. The balls, right? I don't think Dana White likes that stuff, though. I was going to say, like, people are trashing Hamza for, like, not chasing the finish. Like, I would have liked to see MVP go for the finish. Go to the ground, yeah. Maybe not go to the ground, but maybe try some ground and pound. Sure, sure, sure, yeah.

Yeah, that's what I meant. That's what I meant, yes. To hunt the finish. Dana hates that stuff. He hates that stuff. He's an entertainer for sure, but I would not mind, because obviously he got a ton of finishes when he was over in Bellator. I would not mind seeing him get one here in the UFC.

We're four for four now on decisions with him. That is true. Get to see a knock. I thought we were going to get to. The first knockdown in the first round, I was like, holy crap. Yeah, yeah, man. He looked crisp. He looked good.

The head movement, too. He was cannoneer. I can't imagine how frustrating that was on his side. And then obviously the showboating on MVP side had to just frustrate him even more. I guess when it comes MVP, it's like at his age, 38, 39, like is he really gas pedal to the title? Because if not, him versus process is an incredibly fun fight.

Oh my gosh, yes. I just, at this point, you have two fights. You're successful. Not a lot of trouble in either of them. Why would you move down to 170? You've built something here. You lost to a contender at 170. If he's trying to get to the title of 185

and he watched that title fight on Saturday night and we know his grappling struggles, I can't imagine he feels incredibly confident in a fight against Hans Atchamayev. That's true. Although there's a few guys ahead of him, but yes, you're right. Of course, of course.

Jack Della is a lot more favorable than Hamzad, as far as the style matchup from, right? Yeah, maybe he's just here kind of like a Kevin Holland motor. He's like, I'm here to have fun fights. I'm here to put on performances. I'm here to entertain. And we would get that in a Carlos Brachis fight. Yeah.

Imagine him going into the Matrix. even in process or maybe getting caught or him catching process. Yes. It could be fun, man. Man, this new wave of guys at 170, 185, very fun. Shout out to Michael Vennepage. He'll join us. Tim Elliott with the big win as well.

Shout out to him. Just quickly, the other results worth mentioning. Shout out to Baisangor Sussurkayev takes a short-notice-contender series fight, wins on Tuesday, gets the call, a friend and teammate of won Hamzaa Chamaev, and then beats Eric Nolan on Saturday. A little dicey-dice in the first. first round. Shout out to Nolan, Dana White

afterwards. Who also took the fight on a short notice? Dana White's saying he's sticking around. I love that guy. But he came in there. Could you imagine the week

that this dude had? Gets the call at the fight on contender series at the apex, comes back and says, hey guys, you think I should fight in Chicago in four days? Yeah, sure.

Why not? All right, he fights Paperview United Center, featured prelim, and wins via submission. They had him on the press conference, too. Oh, they're pushing.

It reminded me a lot of Hamzat. Back in 2020. He's got the backing. He got the Hamzad push. Mikhail Oakhsheshik, now has the third most first round finishes in UFC history. It's Vitor Belfort. It's Anthony Rumble Johnson, the late great, and it's Mikhail O'Akshushok, he won via first round knockout of Gerald Mirchart. Shout to him.

And one of three fighting nerds team members to be successful on Saturday, it was Mikal, it was Karin Silva, and it was Carlos Prachas. Shout out. Lupi Godinez with the win over Jessica Andrudge, hard-fought unanimous decision win. No truth to the rumor. Jessica Andrudge is going to fight on the Noce UFC card, but that's the type of activity.

She's fighting a lot these days. Now down to 26 and 15 on her pro resume, Gaudinias, with a very hard fought. And I thought, a solid win over Jessica and Drudge. Alex Hernandez with the knockout of one, Chase Hooper in the first round. He was phenomenal afterwards. Very funny in the year.

post-fight press conference. Congratulations to him. Draccar Close with the unanimous decision win over Etzen Barbosa. Like I said, Karin Silva with the U.D. over Dionne Barbosa. And Joseph Morales wins

the ultimate fighter trophy. Yes, he gets the contract beating Alibi Idris. He was a part of Chil Sondon's team. Shout to him coming back to the UFC wins the flyweight

contract. In about 90 minutes, we're going to be joined by the one and only Francis and Ganu, The Predator, looking forward to talking to him.

We're also going to be joined after that by the aforementioned Michael Venom page. We're also going to be joined by Tim Elliott. And then Brian Battle,

who was not featured in that results lineup because he did not fight a bit of a mess of a weekend. He missed wait again and then the fight got canceled.

But my friends, I am oh so excited. Oh, so excited to say hello to our next guest. Not right. Just let me be a little. I'm going to put this here, close the kids' ears, because it might get a little crazy now. Put the earpiece in.

One of our favorites to speak to you, and the last time we spoke to him was after his big win in New Orleans against Roman Coppilov. And I said, hey, come to New York, we miss you. It's a lot of slack here. Come to New York, we miss you. Come back. Last time we had you. I have to turn this on, Frankie. You didn't do all this.

This is on me. This is on me. Okay. No, I'm turning it on. I'm turning it on. There it is. Now it sounds better. Yeah, we all good.

All right. Without further ado, let's say hello to one of the most entertaining and fun fighters in the UFC and in the middleweight division. To be specific, the one and only. Mr. Secret Juice himself. Oh, and Tamara's here.

Oh, the newlyweds. Hello. I can, oh, my God. I don't know what to do. Long way that you see you, my man. I was doing the stents. Nah, of course, this is all. Oh, we hug, we hug.

How are you doing? Hello, Tamara. You see this right here? This is cool. No, no, no, no. No, no. No, no. It's okay. You're like that. Right here.

Yeah, right here. Oh, thank you. Your leg comes up with DC. Did you see my kids out there? You're here today, yes. I thought you would say hello to them, but they kept them away from you. No, it's okay.

I'm a lot heavier than you expected, huh? Yes, you. I look better. I look stronger. Please speak on the microphone, please. You look fantastic, by the way. You're radiating. Thank you.

Have you done something different? Maybe. How are you so good looking? You smell very nice, too. Oh, really? Yeah, please speak into the microphone. Don't be shy. Yes, sorry.

Make love to it. Long time, I don't step here, right? I know. It's been a new studio. I was missing. Oh, this is amazing, guys. You like it? I love this.

For the people who don't have opportunity to see this on the backstage, this is amazing. This is a huge, professional. Niceer than the others. No, always professional. Yes. But this looks great. Thank you.

I'm so happy for you, man. I'm so happy. It's so good to see you. Why you take the glasses off? Because I don't need to. Okay, you see me. Yeah, I can see you. How are you doing?

I'm doing pretty well. Amazing. What brings you to New York? Huh? Why did, why did you come to New York? You? Just for me? Just for you.

No other reasons. No. I like New York also. This is one of my favorite series in the world, you know, especially in America. So every time that, because I fought him, the very first time that I fought outside Brazil was here. Oh, yeah. In New York City, Madison, against Johnny, in 2017.

So I have a very good remembers and memories. I remember that. You were on the same card as GSP versus Michael Bisping. Exactly. And then you remember you came to our studio with Captain. in Eric and he was there too. Same day. And you couldn't speak English.

Yes. And everyone was like, why is this guy here? And I said, no, I believe in this guy. Look at his face, the eraser. Eric, I said that. Yeah, Eric is my guy. No, I said that. I said that.

I believed in you first. I believed in you first. Come on. Thank you. Yeah, that was, that was eight years ago. Eight years ago. Was Tamara with you back then? Tamaya was.

You were there? When did you guys meet? How long ago? Since 2012. Wow. 13 years, huh? I'm not good on math, but I believe on you. Wow, what a journey, what a journey.

And so you decided to come just for a vacation? I kind of, you know, actually I want to go to Chicago for that fight. Yeah, why weren't you there? We had everything set up to Chicago, you know. Since after my fight against Coppilov, we contacted the FC, Tamar contacted Dan, and, okay, we're going to bring Paul as a guest fighter. but then suddenly they okay pao is better you not go

because shimaev is bringing like 20 many people surround him to protect him from you so it's better you not go there you know this is a big fight they said to protect him from you they say that I can't believe that

yes I'm very surprised he brought a whole army yeah they bring Shimaev is a kind of guy who always walk with some guys to protect him too you know so they say it's better you not go there because we don't know where this guy going to be in the arena and they can, you know,

attack you or do something against, you know, this is crazy. I was okay, okay, but I assist to go. I say, guys, I can just show up, you know, stay there in the, the rows, wherever you guys are going to want to put me over there in the arena, just to light the fight. I want to watch, I want to be there. Just in the main event or come in an event, something like that, I can just show up and go. I say, uh, yeah. it's too many people you know it's better you not to go this time sorry Paolo we're going to put you

wherever you want to go next event but yeah this is great remember in FCPI I was with Jake Shield and he training and there was a bunch of people surround him yes and that's when you took his hat right? Yes no no no no different

time there was different time yeah we have a bench different different situations between me and him but yeah that was different time. But in FCPI, he had many, many guys to surround him. The same thing, you know. I'm a walk by myself. I walk alone, you know, Jake Shield as well. These guys, I think, who has really has confidence, don't need many guys to support, you know, and to protect, but he's this kind of guy. So, yes, but I'm happy to be here. So where did you watch the fight? I'm watching the bar.

But in Chicago? No. No, I didn't feel there. Where did you get? Where were you? I was in Las Vegas. Okay, okay. So from New Orleans, you went to Vegas? Yes, exactly. And that's where you were at the P.I. Is that where you saw him? Or were you talking about an old time?

No, this is a long time. Long time. This was two years ago, one year ago. Okay, okay, okay. So you haven't been home since your fight? No, no, yeah. When do you go home? I think next month, like...

Oh, a long time. Yeah. Are you tired? I'm traveling. You know, I never stop to train, you know. I need to keep always... ready to go and anytime but i try to make my weight very low keep close to make one 85 in six weeks seven away eight weeks what are you now i'm 12 okay that's kind of normal right you look very

no no no more most of the time i go to two 24 25 okay so that's what i was saying you look leaner yes i'm in between fights yes what is it no more juice i don't know i'm doing juice Look at the holy, wow, look at that. Oh, wow, wow, wow, wow. How is Jewish. Juice cannot be, I cannot be separate for the Jewish. Sure, sure, sure. But I keep the fat, boy fat as you be.

Do you ever have cheat days? Do you know what a cheat day is? Like some guys who look like you, like the rock, he'll have pancakes and crazy things on one day. Just go crazy. Pizza, all this stuff. I think this works a lot I'm doing a kind of like

in the days like today and yesterday that I don't use to train so hard I used to avoid carbohydrates okay so I go more in meat, steaks and salad and fruits is

good also so I can eat a lot fruits like I like berries and kind of banana and beer apples but yeah so I believe on this I think this is going to be good so I take this one meal a day

and just one there's just one and I don't feel hungry what time I used to do this when I wake up okay and then you eat nothing for the rest of the day no just water you just water and and some vegetables wow yeah just one meal one big meal yeah and then I feel good I don't feel hungry yeah but but it doesn't work when you need to train twice and there you know sure so hard so then you definitely need carbohydrates that's why were you uh were you insulted were you offended that they didn't want to bring you out there or did you understand ultimately the reason uh was hard to understand and to be comprehensive to their concerns but at the end i say okay if they think they they could not

protect or at some point this can jeopardize the event okay I don't make how you say I can test this Were you looking to fight?

I was looking at the fight I was watching the fight No no but were you looking to go to Chicago to like have a confrontation with him? No, no confrontation. I don't need that. but I know the guy has problem to insecure it and he got nervous, he's so emotional.

Yeah. He's so emotional. So maybe this can drop a d'Isa for real. He's way in and he way cut and the fight, maybe. I don't know. You know, what I know is every time that I face him, I saw him got very emotional and stressful and I kind of scare. I'm not like saying that to...

to put him down, but yeah. That's what I saw when I faced him. In his eyes? In his eyes. How can you see that? What do you see that makes you think that? Because you see his reaction. He was like, he called me, he said,

first of all, just to put it in context, I was trained with Jake Shield, and he showed up and was looking for us from outside the mat, outside the mat, outside the mat, between the mat and he and me, has a cage. He was outside the cage. He was looking for us train for 30 minutes. He didn't say nothing.

Wow. When he Creel come up and surround him, then he called me. Paul, come here. I want to talk to you. I said, what the fuck this guy? I never met this guy before. So what this guy wanted me? So I got up and went there to talk to him. And he said, Paul, you said some bad things about me. Why? I would like to you tell me why you do.

never say nothing against you what you but then he didn't expect what the answer that i did to him i look in his face say i don't care fuck you if you want to fight let's fight right now and he looks like and then people was there he said no no no no no one no one who's going to fight no i'm going to fight and say okay so get the fuck out here i'm training with jake shield I didn't call you to come here. Where does it start? How does it begin? Like, what's the first issue?

I don't really know. I don't remember. There was so many a goal. But for sure, I started something. I started to. You started it. You're okay with the technology. I'm okay.

You can't blame me. Yeah. I started that. Okay. By the way, when you saw Kyle there, when you saw Fluffy Hernandez, RDR. No, they were all at the fight. Because Kyle was there. on his team, back up

the PI, but... Fluffy Hernandez, Anthony Hernandez, RDR. No, no, sorry, sorry. I say, Kyle was in that day in your CPI also. Oh, really? Really? This guy...

What a day? This guy is everywhere, but it's okay. But what did you think when you saw those guys at the fight and you weren't there? Because it felt like some of the top middleweights were there and you wanted to be there and they said, no, you understand.

I understand. I say, okay, you know, because When, this is funny. Which one? Both. Yes. Money bank and...

And Poitan. And Poitan. Yeah. Beautiful. You like wrestling? Huh? That's from WWE, the wrestling. TKO.

I love the idea. I think F.C. should give us the payment on this idea. It should be much better. But, okay. Edna, good idea for you. Free idea. Yeah, now they have a big contract. You heard about this.

Who? $7 billion. $7.7.7. billion paramount oh my god do you think the money's going to go up i i i wish you know i wish but i don't know the bonuses that are going up yes maybe they're going to raise for 500 for everyone 500 dollars 500 500 for everyone 50 500 and 500 and a vienna bag yes yes yes okay going back um so when you saw those guys I was just wondering if you were like, oh, why are they there and I can't be there?

Yes, you know, it's a security concern. Yeah, okay. I had, we had, Tabaya, Tabaya, put me in contact of a sponsor in Chicago, right? Jim's Bar. Oh, yeah? They invite me, say, Paul, we're going to pay a good money, like $10,000 to come, you know,

and to do our publicity over here, and we go to the arena. So, okay, we have a solution. I'm going to show up anyway over there. Oh, wow. And then I don't know how EFC knew about that. And Hunter come call me, Paolo, please don't show up.

Wow, that would be incredible. If you would have just come by yourself? Yes, because you know, the place would have went nuts. Because the guys has sticks, you know. Good thing with things, but they say, no, no, no, no, no, don't show up. Please, I say, okay, Hunter. I respect Hunter a lot then as well, the whole UFC directors. and, you know, President, C.O.

And I said, okay, Hunter, have my water, and I didn't show up. Okay. So now what about the fight? What did you think of the fight? Okay. Do I have some water? Yeah, you want some water? Yes. Guys, can you bring Paulo some water here? Secret juice. You're thirsty? Are you nervous? They're going to bring you water right now. Yeah, yeah. I never. You're nervous?

I do. Okay, okay. You want a Celsius? You like Celsius? Oh, yes. I can. Or we have this one or we have this one? Which one do you like? This is energy one. Do you like this one? No, I never try, but I can, of course. This sugar? Mango, yeah, a little bit. You're okay with that? It's okay.

All right, enjoy it, yes. Here it is. It's not the secret juice, but it's Celsius. Yeah, sponsor of ours. Sponsor. Okay, okay. They're good people. Maybe we get you a sponsorship.

Yeah, look at that. Nice and tight. Tell me what you think. Mango, I think. Good. Not too bad? No, very good. Very good.

Celsius. Yeah, thank you. Hook them up. It's a secret juice Celsius collab. Oh, this. This would be nice. Yeah. So what do you think of this fight on Saturday?

Dominant. It was dominant. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Entertaining? But boring. Boring.

Was dominant but boring. Yeah. You wrote that. Did you really do that? Illegally streamed the fight and I want a refund. Oh, yeah. You tweeted that. Yeah, they tweeted that.

It blew up that one. Yes. Yes. Did you legally stream? It's a kind of a common feeling, I think. I want to think about the fight. Tell me you. Okay. I thought it was very, very dominant, very

impressive. I didn't think it was boring because, first of all, like, that pay-per-view was very exciting, right? Tim Elliott, submission. No, okay. Why don't we talk about that? No, no. So I felt like I had gotten my money's worth for the whole night, right? Carlos Prachas spinning back elbow, Lorone Murphy, spinning back elbow, MVP,

incredible, right? So I felt even if this one didn't quite, I felt like the other fights were great, and I wanted to see the whole time can DDP figure him out so I was I was locked into the fight I didn't think it was I've seen way worse title fights

in other words I didn't think it was as bad as people made it to be also I do think and I know you're not the biggest fan and I totally understand that he's had but I can separate it to you sure sure he's had nine fights in the UFC the first eight were never boring

right is there has there ever been a chamsad boring fight in your opinion Has there ever been a boring Khamsat Shimaa fight? No, just this one. So I think there's a bit Like now everyone's saying He's the worst fighter, he's boring

I don't know if that's fair Here's your water from Oh look, we have a cup too Thank you, my man By the way You remember him? Good Oh yeah, look

Yeah, you remember this guy Yeah, wow, they're back Yes For you I just doesn't like this too much You don't like the ear? Yeah, what about this stuff? This is amazing

Yes, that's from your haircut If you need something Oh look, look, look, you remember this? Oh yeah That was it. Come, come back, come back. This is a game change for this guy. Look there.

Look for your past, man. Look how much better he looks. Look at this. Oh, my gosh. This is a gaming change for this guy. Yeah. Thank you. You're the guy.

Yes. You deserve. And this is our cup. You can have that if you want. You could take it with you. No, like you can take it home if you want. This is a cup from our show. Oh my God.

Nice present. So in the morning, when you have your coffee, you're going to... You think of us. You're my best. Hey, by the way, I have a gift for you as well. For me? Yeah, for... You have two kids, right?

Three. And a doubt. Three and a dog. Oh, two boys and a girl. Boys and a girl. Yes, yes. They're here. They're in the studio.

Oh, please. I want to meet them after. Yes, you'll meet them after. Wow, an actual gift. Oh, no, not this again. Okay. I thought it was the gourmet-chin-chan-h-h-hat. No, this gourmet-che-chain hat, I need to hold for...

Yeah, I don't want it anymore because last time you brought it. Thank you so much. Wow. Wow. But I didn't know you had that all. I just know. The boys, no, they're going to love this. Guys, they're watching right now.

Secret Jews hats. This is incredible. How do I look? How do I look? You didn't put this in your pants, did you? Amazing. No, no, no, no. No, no.

No, no. It's okay. It's clean. Okay. How do I look? Nice. Amazing. Amazing.

Thank you. Where can people get this? You can get this on Paul Costa official.com. Did you get it right? Yes, he got it right. Palaka, I wasn't sure if you got it right. Thank you very much, very nice. Okay, so back to the...

Oh, and this, this is great. You know who made that for me? Yeah. Virna, yeah. This is from where? Manaus? This is from north-east of Brazil, like, you say, Nordeste. It's strong people like, yeah, they are kind of Dagestan from Brazil, you know?

Okay. She made it. They told me she made it with her hands. She made that? She made that. Oh, my God. What is, this is coal? Leather?

Cold leather? I don't know. Yeah, amazing. It's nice. It reminds you of home. She's tough. She's tough. Yeah, she's very good. At first moment when I saw this in the TV, I thought it was the Mexican guy.

Yeah, you too. Raoul Rosas. Howard Rosas. She's so tough. She's amazing. I think she's going to fight for the better. Well, Jean-Wea Lee, I think he's going to fight Valentina. Oh, okay.

champion versus champion but she should be number one contender we don't have any palo costa oh man you have a toy uh i have a toy but you have a bobblehead i'm gonna i'm gonna bring a sticker juice bar for you oh that'd be incredible they're gonna be good but you have one of these bubblehead i don't know they should make they should make they should make a strong one imagine yeah yes the muscles and the shirt oh yeah oh yeah who made this uh different companies this one is uh round five

old company, then there's these guys from MMA Bobblehead, different companies. Amazing. Has anyone ever asked you if you wanted to be like in a movie or something? Yes, I actually did my debut in Hollywood. I did a small

production called Blow for Blow. It's good. It went straight to DVD. Straight to DVD. Yes. Who is in it? Other fighters? No, just me. But, but But the director and also actor is a good friend of mine, Master Rigan Machado.

You have you hear about? I think so. He's brother of Janjax Machado. Oh, wow, Jiu Jitsu guy. Jitsu guy. He was on. He does movies. Yes.

Okay. Because he used to coach many, many superstars in Hollywood, like Ashton Coulcher, Kenor Reeves. Kiano Reeves. Wow. All these guys. So did the movie come out? Yeah.

They didn't hear it yet. But he's finished. I can send for you if you want. You speak? I speak. No. What? This guy, he's joking on me.

Why, why, why? I can feel. Oh, there it is. Oh, your production is amazing. Look, everything. We have everything, yes. Blow for blow. And where are you?

Oh, there you are at the top. You see? But sometimes when it's someone, you know, who's good-looking guy, but maybe doesn't speak very well, they don't have them, like, you're just like bodyguard. Yes, but no. I speak. I speak a little bit. My English is good.

It's not bad. Yeah, big, big, big, big, big, uh, big role? Huh? Like, do you have a big role? Uh, not so big. Of course, I was, I was not, uh, the main, but, but, oh, I did my stuff. Because I could see you getting more opportunities in movies now. Yes, I want to do.

Yeah. I want to do something like that. I think, uh, I like to do that. I feel, I felt great, you know, doing that. I feel, um, this is a different experience, and I like this kind of different one. I'm a good character as well. Sure. And like the rock, you know, like, you know, superhero.

Maybe, I don't know if Tamaya can send some part for the production. Maybe they can show up something. Yes. Action part or some fun part because they put those together, you know, action and funny stuff. Of course. You have comedic timing. Yeah. Thank you.

You're very good. Thank you. So you were like, look at you there. Wow. Look at this production we have, huh? Where is this? On the set? On set, yes.

How many days? Man, these guys did that in just eight days, one week. Oh, wow, easy. Crazy. In L.A.? In L.A. Yeah. Hollywood. Okay.

So you got the bug. They say, like, the acting bug. You see how Hollywood is made? Now you want to do more. Oh, yes. I think so. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like...

You need an agent. I need an agent. You have one yet? No, yeah. I know a guy. You know? You need a good Jewish agent. agent. Okay. I'm going to

there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wow. You're one of us? No, it's okay. You're one of us? What is that? This is Minroa. Yes, Benora. I know what it is. I follow the Torral laws. Serious?

Serious. I don't believe you. I do Shabbat every Friday night. Is this true tomorrow? Come on. I don't believe you. This is true? You guys do Shabbat every... But you also tweet about Hitler all the time. Come on No

Just joke Playing soccer and stuff Wait you really do Shabbat I do Shabbat every Friday evening Stop it I do With the Chala You have the Chala

Havdala Yeah Havdala Stop I do have Dalla I told you this Jake Shields No Come on

Jake Shield Jake Shield is He's a secret lover of the Jews No yeah I had I was in his podcast He's very nice guy He's a good friend

And he's very loyal this is something that I appreciate but because in that day he was of me and he had your back that was the very first time that I met him and it was in the back against Shima having

he was the only one right huh he was the only one that was there with you that's it wow that's yes and they have like 10 but yeah but he he does a hate Jews and something like that people just used to put you on a box

like oh you hate Jews you hate Moses you hate that now I mean, we have bad people in every single spot. But forget about Jake. I'm curious about this. What is this? This is a manor. Yes.

This is a gift from a good friend of mine. His name is David Huaihu. Okay. From Brazil. We are kind of, we follow the mosaic laws. Really? Yes, we follow every day, you know. The 10 commandments.

Ten commandments? We do everything. And you do the Shabbat, the wine and the halal. The wine, the halar, the bread. Come on. We pray. Yes. Who, you and Tamara?

Me and Tamaya. Wow. We don't work on Saturdays. Stop. You fight on Saturday. Saturday night. Saturday. Well, that's right.

I don't know if I believe you right now. I am. Have you been to Israel? No, I wish. I was in the Abu Dhabi. Yeah, you were close. But then the war. The war happened, yeah.

They were blow up. Yeah, we called... How long have you done this for? You know, for maybe two years. Two years? Yeah. How come you never told me? Yes, I need to...

I need to do that thing, you know? The circumcision, yeah. You haven't done that yet? I never. It's a little tougher when you're older. No, but I want to do that. You're going to do it? For the right spot.

You know, between the fights and stuff. Oh, okay, the right time. Yeah, the right time. Have you talked to anyone about this? The rabbi in Brazil, yes. The rabbi. The rabbi, yes. Wow.

We say rabbi. You're kind of like blowing my mind right now, and I don't know if you're messing with me or not. People don't realize that because I don't know why, but maybe I doesn't look like a religious guy, but I am. I told this for Hunter Cabell. Because I used to joke and stuff like that,

but I have my faith. It's a strong faith, you know. And, yeah, God gives me everything that I have, all the opportunity, you know. This is something very strong. This comes from my hoods and my mother also, you know. Yes. I wish I would have known.

I would have invited you to my son. He had his bar mitzvah. Really? You know what bar mitzvah is? Of course. What is it? What is it? When you grow up at 10, right?

13. 13? Wow. Okay. This is very impressive, Paula. I always had great respect. Now I have even greater respect for you. Of course.

But I love everyone. Of course, yeah. This is beautiful. Wow. Yeah. I don't even know how we started talking about this. Oh, when I said the agent, you needed a good... Yeah, a good Jewish agent.

Yeah, no. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm not a kind of separatist guy. Sure, no. You know? One love. One love, everyone, you know, and yes. What about Hamzad? Could you, like, can you settle your differences with him?

I need to fight him. You need to get it over with. He texts my girl. And he texts him. her first? Yes, she told me. Yes, because you remember this. Yeah, but he's a liar.

This guy, he says, I'm a musing, I'm done, da, and that, but he's a piece of shit. Yeah. He don't say true. He pretend too much. He act like a dad, and, you know, he knows who I am. He knows I can bring a very tough moment for him. Like, you are talking about the fight, Dracos, he's dominated, he dominated Dracos, but he could not do the same thing that he used to do against weather weights,

welterweight, like mall, the guys, finish the guys. When he faced a real middleweight, a really heavy middleweight, he's going to have some problems. that's my thought he's going to be he's going to look boring you mention it all the other fights

he was exciting fight yeah because the guy scored a hand with him even Whitaker Whitaker Whitaker is a kind of fast

super high level but not strong enough to stop a guy like him yeah Dricos is a real middleweight on my opinion because he came from, I don't know, maybe to 30 pounds, like 105 kilos to fight a nice six kilos in the fight day. That's what I do.

And I know how to handle with these guys. You remember my fight against Romero, Romero is a high-level wrestler and very good also. And he could put me down. He tried like four or five times. He put once at the end of the second round, like 10 seconds to finish. But he could keep me there. And the same, when I'm going to fight Hansa, Chechem, Chechekka,

the same going to happen. He could not hold me down, even if he took me down. I don't think I'm going to stay. on my feet whole time against him I think he can put me down but he will not keep me there so

the thing is when he put Drichos down in the very first round round I mean the very first seconds of the very first round he got the crucifix and that drained

Dracus right yeah you agree and yeah and by the way Drichos could not get out of the crucifix for like five minutes. Yeah, almost five. The whole round, he was down there.

The whole round. And, yeah, and he put Drickles twice on that position, man, this is crazy. Were you surprised? I was surprised that Drickis couldn't stop the takedown and or get up. Yes, I was very surprised. I expect Drickers had better take down the fence. or have trained for that. Does he look Dricko's train for that, you know?

Because Shimaev does a shoot normally. He shoot and keep going, pushing forward. He's a kind of chain wrestling, something like that. Not exactly, but he keeps going, going, going, going, even if you block his head down or, you know, he's going to keep going. So you need to get out. you need to block and get out and move back your feet.

You're not staying the range of his hands. He has long arms, weak but long, skin, but long. So Dreykos didn't do that. He blocked, but he stood there. So the crucifix trained him. He was so exhausted at the end of the first. first and I thought that this is not good because I expect he called block or defend the Shimaev takedowns and Shimaev going to be more exhausted than him so this

turned the fight for another spot and in the second third fourth round he could stop Shemayev again again again he did exactly the same thing in the second or third he put again in the curse fix for almost the whole round And just in the fifth round, he could stop because he or Shimaevu was a bit tired. So, we have a name for this. But, by the way, he was dominant, but he could be like entertainer. Yeah, just that, you know, he didn't inflict many damage to Dracus. That punch.

That is not inflicted. damage. This is a different thing. So, yeah. So you weren't impressed? I was impressed just for the way that he holds Drickers in the ground, but I don't impress beside this. Were you expecting that? I expect an exciting fight. Okay. But you were expecting DDP to be able to keep him standing and, or even in the ground, but not in the crucifix. Because they were stuck, even if that fight happens in the ground, but with motion, you know, with back and forth, but not. This, in wrestling, they have a name for this.

Eric Obahasim was told me that before. He said, in wrestling, we say, stumb-made. Stale-mate. Stale-mate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a solution for this. When the guy stuck another fighter, two fighters, one, stuck another one, and they cannot move forward in progress.

They call this stalemate. Stalmate. Yeah, yeah. So the refit come and put the both guys on his feet. A couple of times Mark Goddard did that. Did you agree with it? Some people didn't. I was surprised, but I understand why he was doing it,

but I didn't think it was egregious. What did you think? Or, like, you know, like you thought it was needed? I think it was needed. Okay, okay. I think he did right. I think he did right. Maybe he could do this more often, more time.

you know because then again this is not inflict damage but who's to blame more the guy who's taking him down and going

or the guy who's stuck like ultimately it seems like more of the hate is coming on Hamza but DDP couldn't stop it so why would he change imagine he would have stood with him in the fifth round

and got knocked out and people said why did you why did you go away from what was working so well for you yeah he's a weird situation

I blame both okay what you think No, I mean, I get it. It wasn't entertaining. It was not the type of fight. If you want to try to make a friend into an MMA fan, you say,

watch this fight. Not this one, right? Yes. You show him Max Holloway versus Dustin Poirier or your last fight. You know, like you show, it was very, it was very dominant. And sometimes dominant is not exciting.

Exactly, exactly. Who has the best chance of beating him at 185? Say again? Who has the best chance of beating Hamzaa Chimaev? Me. Of course. Me. because who is stronger and bigger

and more anti are going to do anti-ante game you know because Shimaev didn't fight he did anti-game he just tried to how I said anulah he stopped to he's going to search how you say

annulah in Portuguese means you're going to do everything to not let another people play like neutralize him neutralize him you get him exactly yeah yeah yeah

that's why I love Jews is it like neutralize sort of yeah nice okay neutralize he just he didn't come to to real fight or finish Dracus he came to neutralize

yeah so this become boring because nobody can fight like in Jijitza have the same when you put on 50-50 yeah nobody can do nothing

this is this is a show this is entertainer This kind of fight and fighter has a lot potential, potential to kill this business. You remember a few years ago? I remember I was watching, I was pay attention and follow all the news. Then I was pissed off against Russians and Dagestan guys. Hey, these fucking guys are killing my business. You remember that?

They come here, they hug for 25 minutes and nobody wants to see this. But they surprised me also because in the conference after the fight, Danoite was, okay, he did amazing. No, he did amazing then why. He did horrible. This is horrible for the watchers. This is not good.

I know you make a deal with Paramount, you know, in CBS, But people will, fuck, I'm going to watch another show, you know, something else, Saturday Night Live, I don't know. I'm going to watch, I will not watch these guys hugging each other for 25 minutes. So, this is not good for our sport. So they need to put you in there against them, is what you're saying? Yes, I understand. How likely is it, do you think, that you get next?

I will show you. I will. Once he shut on my legs, because he's going to shoot. Yeah, yeah, of course. Shimaev, he's going to shot me in the very four seconds on the fight. I know that. Okay? I'm going to block his head over here, right here.

And, dang. Knees. Knees. Yes, yes. I'm going to move. Tell me, tell me. Sorry. I'm going to move my legs.

Yes, look at this. This is incredible. Yes. Yes. Yes. On his heads. His head. His ugly head.

I'm going to do that and move back, move back, and the fight going to keep him on the feet. Then he's going to shoot again. He's going to shoot again. And he's going to get exhausted in the very first. We're going to move for the second. He's going to try again. Try again.

Try again. But then he's going to be slowly. A little bit slowly. Tired. Tired. Yes. Not so fast. Yes.

Like in the very first. And then I'm going to start, I'm going to start to hit him on his head. That's okay, that's okay. Oh, no, it's fine, yeah, yeah. Go ahead, yeah. And the body, bang. Look at that, look at that. Look at that speed.

Levels. Yes, oh, teeth. Yes, deep. Yes, right to the stomach, to the chest. Horrible. Horrible. Anderson's still going to want to shoot, you, you know, he will never know because he knew, he knew. I have knees.

for him I have tips and then look big guy even he put me down man he will not keep me dead I will get up as soon as my butt hit the ground

I want to see this now I want to see this next you're selling me because I thought maybe they do Kyle versus no I know right now like next next but you're selling you're selling us on it yes you think it's possible they do this because you've done such a great job of selling the feud the two of you.

In fact, did you hear what he said about you? He responded to you, Hamzad. He said, I don't care what Paolo Costa says. My bank account is times better than his. The guy is poor. That's why he's trying to call me out and make money. I beat the guys who beat him. Okay.

So he said, I'm poor. This is a kind of guy he is. He wants to say, I'm rich and the guy is poor. This is the kind of guy she might have is. look look who how polite he is look how nice guy he is you know you you kind of uh take advantage or or want to say i'm rich and you're poor you're lower you're lower come on yeah yeah yeah yeah look this kind of guy you know i i i don't judge people for how much money they have I think all the fighters should get fair money for everyone, you know,

they should have fair money to live on dignity and a good life because we're going to put our lives and health on this sport and coach. And I just try to pay as much as I can well my coaches and people who surround me, and I do charity for, because I kind of share, I don't, I don't like to say this, I don't have, I took pictures if for, uh, uh, uh, luxury cars or drew, or nice watches like that, because I, I don't need that, but I, I used to help people on my neighbor from my, for my, for my series. you know because i i truly believe this is the right thing to do but this kind you know he's saying

are you poor i'm rich right now this is who he is did you see the uh the welcome that he got in the ua.e today who he got like a big welcome when he came back home or you know now he lives in united arab emirates he got the all the people at the oh i didn't see that you saw this no you didn't see it because now he represents uaee So he got a nice welcome. What do you think of this? It's nice. It's nice.

It's nice. You know, I'm glad to see people from UAE. You want something like that. You want something. You want to go back to Brazil and get that. Yes, this is going to happen. You know, I believe on some moment, if I deserve, if, yeah, on the right time. I believe on the right time.

I think God has a time for everything. I'm just learning with all my ups and downs. That's my thing that I go. going to, I'm doing right now. But I feel like your confidence is back. Not fully back, but as we talked about last time, like I sense it. There's a different vibe. Because my game does a match with his game.

I'm a perfect game for me. I have a perfect style to fight him. I'm not a good match for him. I'm not a good match for him. I'm heavy. I know how to defend a guy like him. and I'm going to hurt him in the second round until he want to give up. I'll hit him on the body, boy shots, tips, knees,

and I'm going to let this until the third round. When he feels gas out, when he feels, I want to give up, you know, hurt, very hurt, then I'm going to finish the fight. That's my plane. Because he's going to rush on me. He know me, he fair me And I have the perfect game To fight playing to fight him

But yeah, that's it And uh... Did you tell the UFC I want next? Did you tell Hunter? Oh, you have seen no death What did they say to you? They're gonna figure it out this week What do you think happens?

It's hard to predict, right? But... So right now, these are the players, in my opinion There's Kyle and Imovov, right? They're fighting in September in Paris Yeah And then there's RDR, there's Anthony Hernandez, and there's you. Right?

MVP is out there too. He's looking good. Michael Venompage, two wins at 185. But I think he wants to go to Rio. Is it bothering you the mic? No, no, no, it's okay. He said Venom Page, I think he wanted to buy. Maybe Carlos Prachas at 170.

But of those guys, who do you think will, what do you think happens? How does it all work out? You don't know. Do you think there's a chance you leapfrog everyone and get that title shot? I think so because I have a fight booked against Shimeyev also as well. In the past, like one year, two years ago. Two years ago, yeah, crazy. Yeah, Budabi, I got the infection stuff.

And yeah, we have this beef, you know. You need to fight. Jiao say that. Jail said it. Jail, when you text a good friend of someone, you need to fight. That's right. But by the way, he, just for the record, he was talking smack, right? Who?

Shemayev. Against me? To your girlfriend, right? Yeah. He was talking smack. Yeah. What's me? Meaning like trash talk.

Right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I don't, why he texts her? I don't know. Maybe he was trying to get in your head. He was trying to make you upset. Kind of.

Kind of. Yeah. And it worked, unfortunately. To be honest. Yeah. What I feel, I will give you my purpose. perspective. Please.

I think he was expressive. Like I was in the same city we have a fight coming up. This is right before your fight. Right before.

Yeah. Warm off before. Got it. Okay. I was there already. So, okay, these guys come here because he avoided

me to fight as a hell. Like, UFC offered this fight five times. To him. He always say not.

And he's Asian. I always say not. No, no, we don't want fight Paulo, don't know, no, no, no. And then they had a new contract for him. You say, okay, you want to get this money, I think two millions dollars per fight, I think. If you want to sign this contract, you need to fight Paulo. It's not other people to fight, just Paul. And then he said, okay, if I don't fight power, I will fight nobody. So I wait for him

one year, 2002. I just thought, look at him. look like hold and then I'll wait for him one year then then he accepted they flew me to Abu Dhabi 50 days before and then it was I think he was so stressed he said okay this motherfucker gonna fight him let me text her girlfriend something like that so I'm gonna fuck you boy blah blah blah blah you know I that's my my intuition when's the last time you saw him, face to face? In the FCPI. Okay, so it's been a couple of years?

Yeah. Okay, okay. What do you think what happened? The raid? Because I was in Abu Dhabi. He never showed up to face me. Yeah, yeah. He never.

He put his coach in the same hotel that we were. Yeah. But he never showed up. Do you think if you saw him, though, you would do something because you have so much hatred for him? Yeah. It would be tough. So probably the UFC was smart about him.

Him and Adesani. Wherever I saw these two guys, I was going to jump. too. I'm gonna jump. But he was showing you love after your last fight. Fuck him. Okay. Fuck this motherfucker. Why? Grateful motherfucker. I don't like him. Why? I'm gonna... because the background. He disrespected you, you felt like. Okay. In the fight?

Yes. Okay. Who do you dislike more? And then pretend to be friendly. Because I was I was down. I was out. And then he pretended to be friend. Who do you dislike more? Is it possible to say, like if you were to rank them? Oh my God. Tough one. I want both. in the hell.

Yes. Same time. Same time. In the same fight. No, no. No, I don't want to help then. Help is too much, but, yeah, I don't like. Sean Strickland was also saying he could beat Hamza.

You saw that? I saw. Yeah. And then Hamza said he could fight both of you at the same time. Bullshit. This is Sean. Yeah. I'm probably the only one of the UFC that can outgraple that little, you know, for five rounds.

Looks like I got to stack some Ws to fight that little. Yeah. Yes, I think Sean's going to be a good fight also. Yeah, especially now. Do you believe that he's the only one? Obviously, no, no, no, no, no, no, come on. No, no, no, no, no, come on. I'm here. What do you think of Kyle?

Man, Kyle. I used to train with Kyle. He asked to come once at my training camp to be part of that, to training. But I think he's doing a huge mistake, make weight. twice in less than a month, you know. Yes, he flew. I was in Las Vegas. I saw him.

He was training there alone. Crazy. What he's doing all this thing? I think he's tried to put too much in on a good spot, but this is a, on my opinion, this is a mistake. I don't know. You got paid a little bit, but you don't think it's worth it. You're going to pay like $10,000 or $15,000.

I don't know how much, but I presume that. to go and show up to, you know, to put your body on that stress. For what, man, you know, he was, he wasn't really good training for Shimaev-Odricos, by the way. So if they need that, they didn't need. But if they needed him to, as a backup, you know, he was not ready. And now he has a big fight against him of all. And he's not training, he cannot train hard one week ago because he was on three. weight cut.

Yeah. He cannot train hard this week because his body is still recovering. And how many weeks he has? It's mid-September, right? Three weeks, yeah. Three weeks. So he lost one week before. He's going to lost this next week.

So he's going to have one more week to train or two, two weeks. And then it's the final week again. Yeah. Are you friendly with him? No, really. Why not? Just because he used to talk shit about me, I don't deserve that, I don't deserve it, you know?

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. I thought you guys were, you know, Brazilian friends. No, no. I don't like, un-trust a guy is like a not real guy. Like, he says something for you here and say another thing to the camera. Was he a good training partner? Did you like training with him?

I beat him so badly. Okay, okay. Do you think he beats him of Av or no? I don't know. Okay. I never saw Aima Vofa fight in my life. Did you go to the Anthony Hernandez fight at the apex? I went.

Yeah. Were you impressed? I was. I was impressed. I was most impressed because, yeah, I don't know. The guy. That he fought. He fought.

Dolite. Dolite. Doliz was just falling down every time. Why? I don't know. I don't know. Wow. You like one of those fights at the apex?

But Hernandez is a tough guy. He is. I saw him once in FCPI also. I was pin. He came to my side. He said, man, you look huge. My boy. I say, oh, thank you.

This is secret juice. But then I didn't realize he was in the same weight class. Oh, wow. I was a kind of, maybe he's a weather weight because he's small. Okay. But I just say, thank you. But he's a nice guy. I like him.

I like Hernandez. He's a good fight and a good guy. I saw you were at the apex and you tweeted a picture like, what do you think Dana White's listening to? Because he had the headphones. You talk to him when you're there? No, I just talked to Hunter. Why not Dana?

Because he came later. Okay. You know, and I was, yeah. That was Friday? Saturday? Saturday, right? Yeah, I don't talk about business on Saturday. Shabbat.

I have no idea. I'm still kind of blown away by this. No, it's real. Yes, yeah, it's real. Have you been to a synagogue? Have you gone to pray? No yet. Not yet, okay.

Not yet in New York. You're going to go, Friday? Maybe. You're going to still be here. I don't know. No. I need to go to Pennsylvania. I have a seminar.

Oh, wow. Tell us, tell us. Yes, this is going to happen in Pittsburgh. Okay. On my good friend, Daniel Inju. So if you guys live nearby, I'm going to be there. Actually, Friday seminar is sold out. Thank you guys for the engagement.

There's a huge engagement, massive engagement. But Sunday, we open an additional class because too many people try to be there, but to have a limited space. So if you want to go, show up. Sunday, this is going to be a no-gui. So if you, no-guise, show up. We're going to be a nice time, expand with you guys, you know, learn some techniques. I will not bring secret juice, but I will be there, and we're going to have a fun and share some knowledge and techniques.

I love it. Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh. What's the name of the school? It's Indio-Dojo. Enjou-dojo. Indio-Dojo. Okay.

This is going to happen Sunday 11 a.m. to 1 p.m. Okay. Amazing. Thank you for you. Yeah, of course. What is the message to Hamzad? He's watching right now. What's the message to him? What do you want to say to him?

Gomez, Checheng, motherfucker. Look, you know who I am. I'm coming for you. You can hide as much as you want. You know? I know how to fight you. You're going to rush as you always do. You're going to do your thing.

You shit thing. You're going to shoot on my legs. I know that. I expect that. I'm ready for that. But then. And guess what? We have five rounds.

I'm going to put you to pay for every time that you shoot on my legs. That's what my coach Eric taught me to do. I'm going to make you pay. And then when you back in the feet, I'm going to hurt you so badly you want to give up. But I will not let you give up. I will hurt you until the refi stopped that fuck fight. I'm coming for you, you know, I will defeat you.

Yeah. And by the way, you made me excited about Adasania, too, rematch. Yeah, but I'm focused on Shima. Okay, you don't, okay. Yeah, Adisana comes from losses, so, yeah. Okay. You know the guy who came in before? Eric, you cut his hair.

Yes. He told me before, before he saw you, he said he has a big trip coming up this week. Where he goes He's going vacation With his family You see how he looks The hair is nice But like

It's like a little bit Puffy You know what I mean I don't know if you saw I didn't say nothing Because Well he was a bit shy To ask you

But I said I would ask you Do you mind Cleaning him up Okay A little trim Would you mind I don't mind Okay

Well we're gonna break We have a room Oh I thought it was No this guy Already had a haircut Oh yeah You know who he looks like Who

Uh, Guram, you know Guram? Guaram? Yeah, from the UFC, you know? Uh, I... You know, Guram? Yeah, it'll be. He's from Georgia. Okay, okay.

But this is you, this is you. Look at this, look at this. Look at this. This is amazing. This was great... He looked like a Hasidic guy. Wow. I didn't...

By the way, you know what? I don't remember it looking quite like that. Anyway, Eric is, is... There he is. Oh, there is. He wants to know if you're available for an appointment. Okay, let's go. Let's go.

Okay, go take him, Palo. And I'm going. going to talk to you. Okay. See? No, I'm going to, we'll talk. We'll talk. You're the man. And you can follow him to my, yeah, look how good. Look at this guy. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, here he comes. We're going to go get a haircut now. New York Creek's going to get a haircut with Paulo Costa. I hear a bit of an echo in my ear there, Frank. Should I put my headset on?

Okay. And, oh, it's there. Part two. Five two. Where do? There they go. Look at them. Look at them. This is the office. This is the Yahoo office. This is incredible. GC filming on Zoom

Look we got a whole Sam This is amazing Yeah the whole crew is there Rick's getting another haircut Part 2 Obviously the hair isn't as long This time

But we wanted We wanted Paolo Costa to To make something nice For New York Rick Rick being the soldier that he is The good teammate

company man that he is, said, yeah, sure, I'll get a nice clean up. We offered G.C. to trim up the beer, too, but he said, hey, nah, to the na, nah, nah. Look at this camera work from Connor right here. He needs Henry to help him out.

Oh, look at this. Okay, this is a nice angle right here. He's going to get your mic up. Eric, you got me? I got you. What's happening back there? Tell us. They're getting miced up right now. We just walk through the office over here. Pollo seems excited. Yes?

I'm sitting on the couch behind him. Oh, I think I see my kids back there. They are. Hey, guys. It's a family affair. They're getting a front row seat. What your name? Oliver, Walter, Claire.

Nice to meet you, Walter. Oh, man. They're going to me, Paulo, right now. Very good. Beautiful guys. How you doing? Claire. Claire.

Ali. I bring two hats for you. this is incredible how did this happen how would are you guys oh i lost his audio yes when you're going to happen you might just happen okay in june nice amazing paolo can you hear me was good was cool no he's getting his uh earpiece put him right now this is amazing okay See you later, guys. Okay, what are we doing? What are we thinking?

Oh, I see this angle here. This is a great... Oh, that's a nice angle. Look at this angle. Paolo, can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you, sir. Paolo, are you right? You know, you look like a guy

who works for Vidal Sassoon. You know Vidal Sassoon? No, what's there? Like a very famous sort of hair salon. I think he's a cartoon guy. No, he's famous... Oh, we got a little smock there. We got a little smock?

Uh-oh. You want a haircut too, Paolo? Say again? You want a haircut too? Here we go. Say again, sorry. No, you want to cut your own hair? My old hair?

Yeah. No. No, fuck, no. You went to Turkey for that, right? Yeah, just so you hear the song. This is real machine, guys. Yeah. Oh, Bohasini.

Barbershit. No, no, no beer. No beer. No very. No, he worked hard on the beer. Just the mustache? No, no, no, no. Just the hair.

It doesn't look like Gometecheng? Yeah, exactly. The Dagestani. Yeah, not Dagestani. What are we thinking, Paolo? What are we thinking? Man, this is much... Shorter, yeah.

Let's say the truth. This is much better than last time. Yes, yes, yes. They don't have that shit over here, stuff. He looks good. It's nice. He looks nice, actually. So, what you want to do?

What you want to do? man you are the client I'm leaving it in your hands you do it you show me for real yes you're you can do whatever you want but he has a big trip

he has a big trip Paulo a family vacation so he wants to look good yes he wants to look good but I will not mess with this guy trip okay I'm gonna just do something that's gonna look good

okay okay so no beer something? No beer, anything. Okay, this guy is really concerned about his bear. I know. Not mustache either. No, no, no. Okay. That's harder to fix. Oh, my God, I'm so nervous.

No, okay. Is up to me? It's up to you. You do it. Okay. I would say, I was just going to shave a little bit on back and side and let this... No, no, you can do the whole thing. You want to do it? He wants to go like me, like me.

He wants to look like a root. Oh, man. Okay, let's go. Okay, let's go. Are you ready? I'm ready, I'm ready, Paula. I trust you, I trust you. Okay, even if you don't trust.

You did it perfectly last time. I trust you. Okay, even if you don't trust, I don't care. Okay, okay. You have a camera over here, no, right? No, no. What I'm doing, yeah, can you just move a little? He wants a chair like that he can swing around.

That's the next thing we have to do. Oh, yeah, look at this. Yeah. Okay, this is nice. This is nice. Yes. move your head a little bit I'm gonna do a kind of

some style over here okay this is nice yes a few more gray hairs this time for Eric what it's worth I lost Ariel so

you have to relay for me Connor yeah yeah I can hear you I can hear you from his mic what is true what do he say for what it's worth he lost

what did you say oh he can okay I can hear Connor either but I can hear I can hear Don't mess with the Costa. This is nice, Paolo.

Yes, sorry, I'm a little bit focused over here. You're busy, sorry. Good, good, good. To do a very nice job. Let me see. Maybe you'll be more here. Oh, I like this, I like this. The multiple cameras is tremendous.

Yes, I like the way he caresses Rick's face. yeah I try to harmonize harmonize you try to harmonize harmonize harmonize with his bear and face I love it do something yeah I will not remove this because you want to bear so you can connect yeah yeah no that's a good call that's a good call this is nice I like it it's very classy no classy this is this and this gonna look like in Brazil we call this

surfer surfer suffer how you say when you surf suffer surfer surfer now Rick let him turn the

Apollo tell him to turn the other way now we could see what you're doing tell him to turn his body the other way now go the other way say again

tell him to turn his body now the other way yeah like that yeah yeah yeah okay and keep going how we're looking so far how we're looking

I'm in the bag it's great right Yeah, yeah. It's nice. It's nice hair, Paolo. You like this? What?

You like this? I think it's going to be nice. I trust you. Yes. Oh yeah, look at that look. I don't know. It's a very unique look. look, I've never quite seen something like this.

I'm wondering if he's going to go for the top. Are we going to touch the top? Okay, you want the top or something, right? Yeah, a little... Just turn to show. Oh, yeah, this is nice. Looks good, right? It looks nice.

The kids like it. Yeah, your kids likes that. In the top, you have some idea, like... I think this is pretty much... Yeah, no, you could take it. You can take it. It's okay. We need to get rid of some of the top.

Yeah, take some of the top. Just so you'll be on this side. Yeah. No, you could go all the way. Go all the way, Paolo. All the way? Yeah. I don't think all the way you're going to be good.

Why are you scared? If you think it would look good, I trust. Let me see, let me see. And shout out to these clippers that he's using. They're really... Yeah. Wow. Now, Ariel.

Let me see. Oh, that's nice. I love this. I love this style. Because, as I said before, this is a kind of surfer, surfer, yeah. And I'm going to make waves. Oh, I see, I understand.

I'm going to make waves, man, waves. Oh, I see, I see it now. I see it coming together. Just waves, you know. I will going to represent the ocean on his head. Wow. The ocean over here. What a man of many, many talents. Actor, fighter.

It's nice. That's it. That's it. This is finished. Take a look. Take a look. Trust me. I trust.

This is going to be something special because this is so fur, suffer, you know. Yes. Yes. To me, that's good. So you don't want to go in the middle, Palo. Oh, wow. Wow, wow, wow, that's something. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Beautiful, beautiful. Wow. Thank you, Paola. Wow. I know last time, look. Oh, my God. Finally, I got paid.

Nice tip. Thank you. Thank you for my, thank for this. Thank you, Paula. Be back. Anytime. Anytime. Anytime.

Anytime I'll be back here or I'll be in New York. Just tell me, oh, I lost my mic. His earpiece. Connor, can you get us the earpiece? I think it looks great. really excited to go on vacation like this. Yeah. Yes.

Looks good. But just turn for the right side, right? You always turn for the right side? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want to fix it up anymore, you can. No. It's good.

It's okay. I like that. I make waves on both sides. Yes. This side and this side have waves. Yes. Beautiful. Let's see the back.

Let's see the back. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Paul. Yeah, there it. Wow. 360. Give us a 360. Yes. Yes. Very nice.

Thank you, Paulo. Obrido. Obrado. Thank you so much. There he is. The great Paulo Costa. We'll take a quick break. We'll be back with France Sanghanu. Check out Rick's new hairdo. Don't go anywhere, my friends. All right. Back on the program, that was Killer Cross. Last Wednesday, he's no longer carrying.

I think we all can agree now that is not a work, 100% a shoot. prior to that we had Powell Kosta in studio that was tremendous thank you very much to him for the swag as they say tremendous job on Rick's hair he's just cleaning up a little bit we'll go to him in a moment still to come by the way Francis Inganu

Michael Venom page Tim Elliott and Brian Battle the meat of the show still to come tomorrow's show is going to be insane but before we move along rare since we've come to uncrowned since we've come to Yahoo my family hasn't had a chance

to stop by so let me bring them in real quick let me bring in the crew come on guys don't be shy here they come yeah the crew is here walter who uh didn't get on camera before oliver claire where's oliver oliver get in get in get in and mama jaclin you see that you can see you look at this we're one big family come on the other side come on the other side Walt you'll be on the yeah okay okay yeah yeah we spread it out look at this shot look at this family right here what do you guys think are you having fun Yeah. What did you think of that haircut?

Good? What do you think? Yeah? I thought he knew it did. Jacqueline, what do you think? We're back. I thought it looked great. Very handsome Eric.

Yes. He looked great. Look at this family right here. Very proud of you guys. Are you drinking Palo's drink? Wait, this was his? Yes. Now you got all kinds of...

Do you try it? No, don't try it. We don't know what kind of juice he's on. Well, we have much more show to go, but I wanted to introduce you guys once again. You were once on the show. many moons ago a couple years ago remember in the old studio which studio do you like better equal equal this one yeah that was the right answer and how are they uh back there is frank being nice everyone being nice don't believe a word is that they said yes yes uh frank's being great

it's all very nice and uh here we are so everyone uh chat say hello everyone look they're all they're all saying beautiful family see that oh even someone called you uh what is that ipad boy Who said that? Why would you read that out loud? How did they know? How did they know, Ollie? I mentioned it to them. They all agree.

They all agree that we need to wait a little bit more. Soon, soon. 2025, the countdown is on. Look, the chat is on fire here. The City Reaper's hoodie is tough. Look at that. Do they also have bad hip-hop takes? Daughter looks just like Ariel.

Hoodie fire. See, you guys are getting much love, much love. Love you guys. Right now, how many? views, 4,483. iPad boy. Oh, your kids, great kids. You know what?

Thank you very much for the... No, York. Yep, yep, yep. The chat's being very nice, I do have to say, so I appreciate you guys. Come on, Ariel. His favorite fighter. Yeah, is that your, who is your favorite fighter? I don't know.

Do you remember the Claire and Ariel show? Yeah. Yeah, we used to make the picks. I forgot. Yeah, Amanda Nunes. He needs the phone now. He needs the phone now. Are they Everton fans?

No, no. City. Hey, how on you? Beautiful phone. iPad boy through dad's chat is brutal. Oh. Showing the phone. Oh, they're all, they all got you.

The broccoli haircut. Congratulations. Look at this. Look at the love. Look at the love, guys. Okay, this is it. Thank you. As you guys going to walk around town or what?

Yeah. All right. All right. Yeah. Love you guys very much. Thank you for the support. But we do have to get to our next guest, Francis Nganu. Anything you want to say to the

Clyde-a-to-ell? Yes, great job, Clay. Well, well, done. Thank you, guys. Love you, love you, love you, love you. Love you. Love Love you, love. Love, love. Love, love, love, love, love. Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, thank you, guys. You can just walk yourselves out, yes, thank you for stopping by. We appreciate you guys coming very much, and, uh, and, uh, it. There you have it, the Halwani family. What a show, by the way. What a show we've had here. We've had Palo Costa, Tamara, and Rick getting a haircut,

and the whole Halwani family clan in Studio 330, Francis is going to be joining us. And that is my pride and joy right there. That's why we do it. That's why that's everything I do. Everything I do is for them. And it gives me so much joy to bring them, my kids, my wife, here to what we built at Uncrowned at Yahoo. who got to meet some of the people behind the scenes. Nothing.

I used to go follow my dad to his work and be like, wow, this is where you work. This is so cool. I go to school. You get to do this. And so I hope that they have the same sort of feeling when they come here. And I know this job is a little bit different and unique, but I just hope that they appreciate all the hard work that goes into it and being in New York and how far and how hard it was to get here

and how long of a journey it is from where I came from in Montreal. How's Rick doing? How's Rick doing? Is he doing okay? He's good. He's lining up Francis right now. Oh, he is. Okay. I wanted to get a shot. We'll have to wait on that. Lining up was... Yeah. Blan words didn't mean to say that for him.

Yes. Someone in the chat said, all right, the glaze is over. Family has gone back to hating. Wow. Yeah, thank you guys. Appreciate that. Look at the difference. He didn't go full bald, huh? I like that better, man. The bald's too simple. No, this was a little bit, you know, creativity. Yeah, I'm... Sure for a look. I'm pretty happy with it. You're happy?

Yeah, I mean, my man, Paolo came and hooked me up again. Look, like right now, by the way, you can't even tell. Let's lose headphones and give us a turn. Give us a turn. Give us a real quick turn. Yeah. It's almost like a business. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God.

The back looks like a freaking... I mean, I feel like we're back, you know? No, I feel like the aura is back. The aura is back. How nervous were you that he was going to cut your beard? Very. Yeah, yeah. The hair grows back.

It grows back. It's like... I know. It's a whole process. Yeah, yeah. By the way, I was actually nervous for you because I know how hard it is. So there we go.

All right, well done. Shout out to my boy. Paolo's the man. Do we have our next guest yet? We do. Okay. All right. More to come.

Tremendous lineup of shows. Can't wait to speak to our next guest. It has been a minute, as they say, since we last spoke to him. The last time we spoke to Francis Enganoe was last October right after his big win over Henn and Faheta. So it's been quite some time. Appreciate his time, as always. good to catch up with the lineal, undisputed heavyweight champion,

the man himself, the pride of Cameroon, Francis, my friend. How are you? Hello, Ari, I'm good and you? Long time, no speak. Yes, very long time. It's good to talk to you. How's everything going? How's life? Life is good, you know. I just keep it little low right now. You're staying low. Out of the limelight. Yeah. You know, just trying to cheer, take a break out of everything.

Any particular reason? No, no, just feel like, you know. Just feel like, I like this life. I like the calm part of my life. Yes. When I come. By the way, I hear like a feedback when I speak. Do you hear that too?

No, I don't hear anything. You don't hear a feedback. Frank, do you hear that? I do. It sounds like he has his phone on or something other than the laptop he's on. Is there another thing on a phone? Because I hear myself twice.

Do you know, is there a phone on also? No, nothing. It's on. Okay. I think it's on. What should we do, Frank? Because I don't want to, I don't want it to. Let's reconnect with them.

Do you want to reconnect? Yeah, let's do that. Okay, we're going to reconnect real quick, Francis, okay? Okay, we're going to reconnect real quick. And in a matter of seconds. It's just, there was like a weird echo there. know if anyone else, anyone else hear that, but we're going to reconnect with him real quick and get Mr. Francis on here. Again, still to come, Michael Vennepage, Tim Elliott, and Brian

battle. A lot been going on, obviously, in the world of France Saganu. Can't wait to talk to him about everything happening, not only in his career, but the world of the heavyweight division. Obviously, the John Jones stuff came up, PFL stuff has come up. The last time we saw him was in October of this past year, got back on track with the big win over Henna Faheta. Prior to that, fought in March of 2024 against Anthony Joshua. And it was almost now two years. It's been almost two years since his fight against Tyson Fury. If you could believe it, October of 2023 was when he shocked the world and went the distance

and even dropped the Gypsy King, Tyson Fury. What a two-year stretch. I mean, honestly, even since prior to that, with... Okay. So do I bring him back? Okay. All right. Let's go back to Francis.

who is still here. Francis, you hear me? Yes, sir. Okay. Okay. So you said you were laying low, all good. Obviously, part of the reason why we connected very recently, we stay in contact, was your name came up recently because PFL finally unveiled PFL Africa, which was a big thing in what you

were doing with them and when you came over. First, did you see those events? They've had two now, I believe. and if so, what did you think of them? Well, they have two now, and it's been going very good. And basically the second one, I think I was more for the second one. But obviously, I also saw the Don't comment, and I think that's your point.

That's where you're going to. But the PFR Africa was good, business part of it, is good. Okay, so for those that may not know what I'm referring to, this is the Don Davis quote. We have it here because I think it's important to get a right. Someone asked him about you not being at the events and he said, I'm not going to hide it. I expected him. This is part of his vision.

We worked for two years. I'm direct and say what I think. I'm disappointed. Disappointed in you not being at the first two events. A lot of people, I guess, thought that you would be there because it was a big thing. and clearly he thought, what is your reaction and response to this? Well, first, as far as my reaction, I was like, I don't think it was something that he should have bring it out there, right?

I mean, at least if it was me, I wouldn't keep it out there. Now, because he get in the position that we have to bring up context. Like, why didn't I come there? He didn't know why I didn't come, you know? I mean, I've been waiting this for two years and this was the big part of it. So when you're working on something, like when you guys are still working on something

unless you think you have, it's off. It's not a thing that you bring it outside. You know, I wasn't okay with something, but it wasn't the thing, I wasn't the one that was going to take it out. For example, like if you want to know what exactly is the reason why I wasn't there. I wasn't very okay with the first PFL Africa even

seeming to be like a undercar. Quoting him, we work a lot for that, for the PFL Africa. But I hope PFL Africa debut would have at least have his glory, this moment. But that wasn't my decision and I wasn't done for it. but I express my feeling to them. So in other words, what you're saying is that first PFL Africa card, I remember it was in mid-July, and the main event was Johnny Eblen versus Costello Van Steenis, Dakota DeCeva. Those aren't, you know, part of the PFL Africa movement that you're starting with them, and you wanted it to just be about the African fighters, right?

Exactly. Because this is what it's about. You walk about something for two years, you expect this glorious moment. And then I couldn't explain, if I have been there, I couldn't explain. I was, it looks like I was in the very bad position to explain how PFL Africa that I've been talking of has become on the car. So on that perspective, I'm like, I'm not, I'm not facing this. so that was the main reason so and then what was funny is that I have I have seen a few some people talking about it but they didn't even realize that August 9 was the second

event they thought it was the first the first event was actually was the second event did you share this with them did you talk to them about it did you tell them this is not what your vision was yes of course I mean we talk we talk about things that we talk about like a vision we put because we put a lot of accent about like what is the vision what should we what we want to do you know and then uh every time i will be on the phone with the pete and and jim wish again i don't think those are the people those were the people that have the have the full story because they've been following up like pitt i talk with p maybe two three times a week about only just about pfl africa right

So, but as far as done, we don't talk too much. We never really, Pete is always the guy that is in between us. So which I think even from his perspective, he wouldn't have said something like that from where we were at. We were like, okay, I don't agree with this. How can we make this work? We are working on it. Like, how can it make it look to align our vision together? because it's a matter of a vision, you know, for me it's a vision.

For me, it's not a business, even though they are doing a great business out of it, but again, I focus on the vision of the DNA part of it, you know, to be like a PFL African, not just be like another representation of a PFR, in Africa than to be a local organization As far as the construction of the card

and the people on the card from the PFL Africa Africa only perspective how involved were you in the people who were signed the people who were fighting the matchups were you involved in any of that

I wasn't involved on the matchup a lot I know that Eduardo was the guy was the person that was the person that was in charge of like fighter, I talk after in a meeting, I give my advice because even the event that I do in Cameroon, we have some talent, the event that I do with my foundation,

the challenge. So we have some fighter that I recommended, a different fighter. Even this guy, I think, was, what was his name? Ankara from Burkina Faso was the guy that fought at. my event and I saw him. I mean, he did loss, but I was impressed with his skills. So I say, okay, there's some guy you can look up to. So,

but other than that, I wasn't I wasn't so much into it. The second event was much more a PFL Africa event, I would say, but you weren't at that one either. How come? Well,

of sea consensus and again we were still working on it because let me remember this this is not the first this is not the only event pfra africa is something that is going to run is made to be run forever so as we take the time that it takes to set things upright then the company he will run you run properly So I don't have any problem with that. I don't have any problem going as long as, you know, we get things right and feel comfortable because I'm going there, putting, stepping forward, put myself in line as a guarantee. So at least I'm going to make sure for what I'm saying, you know,

for what I'm, I'm going to stand by what I'm saying, which is what sometimes some clarification need to do. did you watch did you watch the events oh yes i watched some of some of them did you like what you saw from the the pfl africa fighters i do i do i do enjoy i do enjoy them i like uh again some some good talent some raw talent as well that need to be sharpened but that have skills to develop. So you was quite exciting. And also have kids from the foundation fighting there.

We have two guys from that started in the foundation, my foundation fighting there. Yes, so the name of the foundation, because I know that you did, did you do an event in March in Cameroon with the foundation? I did. The name, it's the Francis Engano Foundation that we named the event like challenge.

Yes, there it is. Yes, there it is. And so can I ask, after Dawn said those things, did you reach out to him or anyone in the PFL to tell them that you didn't appreciate? Yeah, sure. I reach out to P right away. I text and then we've been talking, you know, trying to make things work. And that's why, again, I thought it wasn't something that shouldn't bring up.

because we are working on it. And then we were looking forward to make a great thing with PFL African. Remember, again, it's not just like a one, it's not like a one-off event, it's not two-off event. It's a forever event. So we set things up right. It's going to be okay.

Have you talked to Don? No, really. Do you want to? No, I never initiate the intention of... I don't know. I just find it a little weird. And then I wasn't, like, quite in the excited to talk to Donne about it, like, about that comment. Was there any talk prior to all of this of you fighting on one of these first cards?

Me fighting there? Yeah, was there any talk, you know, since you're the face of it all? No, no, no, no. He has never been a plan. Would you have wanted that? You have to understand that PFL Africa is a young company. And then as much as we want it to be big, to become big is not yet at that point. He's young.

Let me give him the time. Yeah, I'd like to fight in Africa. If it's PFL Africa, yes. know where we are at, it's really difficult to get to that point. Is there a third event planned? Yes, there is a third event plan, which I think will be in Benin. Which month?

Again, I don't have, I think October. October was pill. What I last heard was October, unless he had finished this October. Would you like to be there? The semi-final. Would you like to be there? Well, I'd like to be even in the first event. If by then we get everything straight up, no problem.

I'm excited about this. Remember, I'm the one in sharing this. so yes as a result of all this Francis how would you describe your relationship with the

PFL right now well so far I would say we have a good relationship you know we have a good

we have a two a two business together one is PFL Africa and then one is me

as a fighter and PFR as a promoter, you know. But again, everything doesn't always run smooth. But it wasn't like, okay, this is not working, this, you know, just work like, oh, I don't agree with this. I think it should be like this and somebody keeps his own point of view. Sometimes he works out. Sometimes it doesn't work out. And then I think this is how it all works.

But personally, I don't think we. in that point that you could say, oh, we have a bad relationship. No, we have a good relationship. We are just working things out and have a, also, we also have to understand that the problem here is not even, there is not even a problem. I think the situation here is because of a culture different and then wish they are struggling to understand the African cultural aspect of things. you know and uh i have to try i have to make sure that's it's uh being considered so i think that's what is getting us here so because without that we wouldn't be there wouldn't the relation would be like qualified as great relationship yeah your last fight for them was

in october has there been any serious talk this year of you fighting for them No, I'm, um, start to reach out, send some email for, for fight and see if, um, what's on the line. But since there's nothing yet, uh, I think they don't, I don't think they have opening for me. So we will wait. We still have a time. And, um, yeah, meanwhile, trying to still try on the the deal until while the fight. So you have one fight left on the deal, right? With them? Yes.

And is there a term attached to that, meaning like it's either one fight or X amount of years? No. I mean, yeah, there's a time limit on the term, but which is fine, which is still fine. Is it far away? Where? Or what do you have to?

No, is that we are good. Okay, okay. You did mention the Deonté Wilder fight, though. That's very interesting. He won in June. Is that something that you are actively pursuing right now? Yes, I do. Is there any talks between you and his camp?

We haven't engaged personally, but he's going to be soon. Soon that you'll talk to them. Yeah. Okay. We are just setting some things up But I keep training I'm training Would that be your top choice right now

If you had a top choice in any sport Like number one fight Is Deonté Wilder in a boxing match I would say so Since the Junjunct fight It's off Cannot be part of it What does that mean when you say

you cannot be part of it. No, I don't say I cannot be part of it. I say it cannot be part of my talk choice. Got it. Okay. Of the ones that are available? Yes. Okay.

What did you make of all of that a month or so ago when all that was happening with him and the UFC and then he eventually retired? And then Dana White was asked about you at the press conference in Baku. And he said, oh, Francis is not a good guy. I don't want to do business with him, all this stuff. I'm sure you saw all this, right? Yes, I do. When you saw all this, I saw your tweet, I think you said something to the effect of,

did I ever say I'm coming back? Because I think the reporter asked him if you were, you know, if you were available or if he wanted you to come back, that sort of thing. And then he mentions that he doesn't think you're a good guy. I just wanted to know what you thought of that whole scene. Listen, Dana is Dana, and I'm not wasting my time trying to figure out the end of what he said. he does his show that's okay and as I say

trying to make my life low key do you want to come back to the UFC why no I'm asking do you I guess the answer is no yeah what would I come back

in the contract with PFF No, is there a part of you that says You know what? Maybe I do want to come back Maybe I want one more fight I just have to ask the question Because the whole conversation was surrounded I definitely want a fight But again, I'm expecting the PFR

And I hope that the PFR will make that happen Yes, I want fight I want more fight You know, it's not like I want Yeah, I want more fight for sure When all that stuff was happening With John Jones and the UFC All of a sudden when your name got brought up

it seemed like John really wanted to fight you again and not fight Tom Asprell. Remember this? Back in June, John's saying I'm hearing Francis is still interested. Now we're talking, that's a real super fight, a clash of champions, not just hype. He held the belt. I've defended mine.

And then you responded, of course. Did anyone talk about this? Was this ever a thing that got off the ground, or was it just that? No. Never get up of room. For sure, the U.S.A don't want anything to do, don't want any co-promotions done. Right.

Right. Because I mean, I think even Turkey trying to make that fight happen. And what happened? It doesn't work. They just said they didn't want to co-promote the UFC, he said? I don't know exactly, but I guess so. Okay. Were you surprised that John,

ended up retiring and not fighting you because a lot of people, including me, said he didn't fight you in 2020 and now he could have fought Tom and didn't fight him as well. Those were the two biggest threats, right, in the heavyweight division. Were you surprised when he ultimately chose to retire rather than fighting Tom Aspinall? Well, I think maybe that was his own, maybe a maneuver of negotiation. Retirement doesn't mean anything. If he decides tomorrow that is fighting, then that retirement is vowed.

He makes nothing. Nobody will stop him. If he keep training, like that doesn't change anything. So he might be his strategy or he might just hard enough, which is understandable, but I wasn't. expecting it at that time or in this way, you know, having this announcing a retirement in the middle of a conversation like this, to me he seems more like a negotiation tactic or something.

Yeah, because when he retired, then they announced this White House card and all of a sudden he said he's coming back. Exactly. He can come back whenever he wants. So. Do you think he's? fights again. Yeah.

Listen, if there's somebody that, if there's somebody that I don't want to try to understand, it's John Jones. I don't, I'm not trying to understand what he's doing. He's doing his life. I have no problem with him doing his life as he won. I think he deserve to do whatever you want to do now. So he's up to him. Who do you think would have won, Tom or John?

Tom is young. He has a, he's very explosive. He's young, hungry. But, you know, what they said. They said the young monkey is fast, but all monkey knows the way. Yeah, I think John, I think John knows the way from, we all can agree that John knows the way for the victory. you know the one I want to see is you versus Tom really yeah no you're not interested that would be a good fight too but again we are not in that situation right is there anyone in the pfl or who could be even be available that would interest you on the MMA side of things

because you you obviously mentioned Deontay's boxing perfect but as far as MMA outside of UFC that could even be available to fight you is there anyone out there I know they brought up Namcobs sometimes but things like things didn't play out I was expecting like maybe to have the the champion

the champion of the tournament but I still don't know how it's looking it's quite confusing I situation. Okay. Francis, I would be remiss if I don't ask you about the accident from a few months ago because I don't think you've talked about that. Can I ask you about your side of the story?

I know you put out a statement, but not much else. Obviously a very tragic thing. Can I ask what happened back in April? What's happened back in April was just a nightmare. You know, I did my thing all day long, and then around seven, I left the driver out and go to the basement and take a motorcycle. We're driving and was going by my mom's place. And I get to this, it was like on the boulevard, and I saw this, I saw this girl. and across the street.

But I noticed that she didn't look because I saw her and it was like a three-way, three-lane side of road. But I noticed that she didn't see. So what I do, I want to go behind her because she were working fast. But the problem is that last minute she turned around and she saw me and she freeze there. She was like this.

and I had a few seconds so I hit her the left side of my motorcycle because I was almost passed and I was like

300 years away from a police station then I didn't even fall off the motorcycle but she fell she fell so I'm like

should I report, go report this, but she's laying on the floor. So I pack my motorcycle, go there, carry her, put her in the, in a taxi, and then follow her to the hospital. We get in the hospital, I took her outside. She has a, she has a tibia fracture. But I took her out of the car and she was, she was aware now and on, in pain. So which was a good sign.

I took her to the emergency room. They reassured me everything is good. But I stayed there for like two hours and then until like people come. We even called it. They even sent like an extra doctor to supervise everything. So I mean, I left. I was reassured that everything was good. I mean, not good.

because she's hurt, but, you know, I'm like, oh, it wasn't the worst. It could have been worse than this. And every day they were telling me I was having the follow-up, like, oh, she's good, she's this. You know, because the same night her family came there. And she was good for the next two days. And they were prepping her surgery until the surgery. She went for the surgery and never wake up. Never wake up and just like that.

And I'm like, how come, like, what's happened? Because when I get to the hospital, I request two things right away. I say, please, can you do a scan to verify if she doesn't have like an internal bleeding? And then because like at that moment, I don't know if you remember, but he was like almost exactly 10 days away from the one year anniversary of Kobe. and what I did find out is that Kobe had like a brain issue and that when we went to the hospital they do the scan but no the MRI, the MRI could have detect what he had

so on this girl then I'm like please do the brain MRI so I'm sure that everything is being taken care of have a follow-up every day she doesn't have we don't have any concern about antennal bleeding

we don't have any concern about like a brain like a concussion or something then like I think this was

a 30 already yeah 30 after the surgery they was like it's over I'm like

how come it's over what's over what do you mean like it's over that was it like from the fracture that was it

so now over sleepless nights dealing with all is thinking of what you could have done or should have done how could you

what would you have done to avoid that yeah, it's really a bad feeling. Basically, on that day, really, really bad things. But, yeah, we reach out, we let go a day, because we were in touch and their family was there and they knew that I was part of their accident. So we reached out and started to.

So, I mean, I talked to the family and obviously they were grieving, but it was pretty comprehensive. They even, they say, okay, we know that he happened, he's an accident, but we saw how you fight for our daughter. we saw all the assistant that was there. So, I mean, they thank me for assisting them. Like, somebody would have hidden, would have run. But you didn't. We knew, we heard about everything that happened. But again, that might have a little bit, but not too much, basically, at that moment.

I appreciate the backstory and you telling us about it. and I'm so sorry that this happened I'm sorry to you I'm sorry to the family I'm sorry that she lost her life do you have any sort of understanding as to what happened was it something that happened

as they were prepping for the surgery or something that happened as a result of the break like how does it happen a few days later listen I have no I personally have no evidence to to prove what happened

but something definitely happened. So I cannot claim what I can prove. I can prove. But again, we went to the hospital. The same night, she was good. You get like, she's good, okay?

I mean, I remember living that night, and I went to the restaurant with a friend, and I ordered a tea. And somebody even asked me, say, oh, you should take a champagne. Like, we just escaped, like, I mean, I didn't take a champagne, but I agree with him because he should have celebrated that night. Like, then, I was so scared.

Finally, it's not that bad. You know, and going on the next days, you don't worry about it. What I was worried about, I'm like, okay, where is she living with who? What's her job? Like, how can you assist her from a day to day come back? Because, yes, he wasn't worse, but she's like. had a knee fracture, a tibia fracture, which is going to be like maybe nine months or one year of rehab. So what can we do? What can I do to assist her and make her life happen during

this process? And that's where I was. I was planning like the rehab staff, like how could this work for her? I have no idea that I would be dealing with the debt. No idea, like far from my mind, You know, you think about it, you say, oh, okay, we're just going to find her a good physio, you know, assist her. She's definitely going to be on the wheelchair or something like that. She's going to need assistance for every day. And that's where I was at. And I'm like, okay, let's see how, and I tell my guy in my team, like, let's see how you can make that happen because that's what is needed right now. we didn't know that we would be talking about, you know,

COVID years after that. As you mentioned, it's around the year anniversary of your son's tragic passing. So how are you doing? This is all just a few months ago. How are you dealing? And is this probably part of the reason why you're laying low? Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to lie, it was a very tough time. so because all those things everything that happened you have you come to question yourself if you're cursed

what's what's going on why all those horrible things are happening to you and then it's not even what happened like sometimes i have really liked to be to be guilty to be like to have something that happened to me based on my action that I know that if I didn't do this he wouldn't have happened but the worst is when something happened and you say okay

what could I have done to avoid it what did I did wrong and you see nothing that you could have done differently to change the course of the situation I think that's even more scary you know like okay what could have had done right now to change

the situation What? Nothing. And then that's scary. That's mean it could happen. Today, tomorrow, next month, next year. It could happen at any moment again. And it freaks you out, man.

You mess with your mind. So that was in April. Here we are in August. Do you feel like you're starting to feel better, or you're still in that process of grieving? Yeah, I mean, you, you, process. Remember it doesn't matter, you

process it, you improve, you know, you're trying to kill your head high, you'll go up into life. Listen, if I have overcome the loss of my son, I think I can that's the moment

that you understand that everything in life it doesn't matter how tough is a man is capable of a lot more and as far as the family are you okay with them is this story something that's still lingering in your life or you know is that just it

it's a freak thing that happened and now you have to try your best both of you to move on I don't understand. I didn't understand location. The family of the girl, the young girl who passed away, is there any sort of lingering stuff between you two? Is there any sort of stuff that you have to deal with, ramifications?

Or because it was just a freak accident, now you just move on with your life and they tried to move on with theirs? No, I mean, we, again, I met them. we talk and then I also I explain to them what's really happened I say okay I don't know if

you want to hear because I know you're in the grief at this moment but if you want to hear what's happened I can talk about it but I'm not here to give an explanation I just want you

to know the story because like one thing that you have to understand is that when somebody is laying down with no life, never, never, never be right. You're on the wrong side. So we don't try to explain anything to anybody unless they ask you. But they've been, again, they've been very comprehensive and then we talk and then we assist them on like everything. And by the way, we're still in touch. They're still in touch, no personally, but with my family.

Okay. I know this is all very, very tough, tough stretch for you. And not an easy transition to talk about other things. Yeah. What is it? No, I said it's not easy to transition. And I'll let you go in a couple of minutes. I just wanted to ask you a couple more things about your career.

and then we'll let you go just a couple of months ago we spoke to Rico Verhoeven who he came up with this idea of having three fights with you, kickboxing, MMA, and boxing. Did you see this and do you have any interest in fighting the kickboxing champion,

Rico Verhoeven? Where will we fight? In which organization, we will promote that? I mean, it's not just working around and have the ideas to make it happen

again I don't know if he's agree with with PFR what I do maybe I put to MMA with him

not a he's not an MMA guy I don't know I think he's never so much of you think of

okay so in other words it's still Deonte of everything out there always people are mentioning you Eddie Hall mentioned you as well the big strong guy I don't know if you saw that one but it's it seems like Deontes is number one

do you feel confident it's going to happen confident I'll say yes some there have been some interest about it there have been some interest about it there have been some interest about it

in the past and now. So confident, I would say yes, but it's still not a guarantee. Do you think you fight this year? Do I think this is August? I hope so. I hope so. If not this year, it will be early next year. But I hope to fight this year.

I'd like to have one fight this year. You still have the passion for it. Yeah. I mean, I'm a fighter. I'm not retired, though. So don't worry. I'm around. Yeah. Do you have more of a passion for boxing than MMA? No, I would not say more a passion for boxing than MMA. MMA is my sport. I'm more comfortable in MMA. When you come to MMA, I know that I'm going to deal with it. I'm comfortable.

boxing is like a new sport for me so I like boxing but I'm more comfortable for sure okay last one now that I have some wrestling skills you know not so much enough to get my way your old foe Anthony Joshua's and talks to fight

Jake Paul what do you think happened if they fight? What do I think happen? Let's see you on to the fight, but I'm not sure. I have seen that. I'm not even sure if they are serious, though. They are.

They are? Yes. Very. No, come on. You don't believe that. Do you? I do. we do believe

I believe they're serious I don't know if it actually happens but I do believe there have been serious talks of making it happen you think it's crazy yeah I think it's crazy okay

I think it's crazy I mean what was the exact Jay Paul way his last fight 200 in 200 range you know the first is like we don't even if we don't get to the experience level

the weight the way different and everything is tough we'll leave it at that francis great to talk to you thank you very much appreciate it do you feel like we cleared it up with the pfl stuff do you feel like you you got your side out well my side i mean um again i wouldn't have one this to be like my side or somebody's side uh so far it's still our side should have been our side it's not like oh you have your side this guy has a side you know so far that was right unless our vision are not aligned is our side fair enough thank you francis all the best great to talk to you again Thank you, Alia.

Okay. Same to you. Bonnie. There he is. Good night. The great Francis in Gannu, Le Predator, always appreciate his time, always appreciate him coming on,

clearing the air, and we appreciate that as well. We move back to UFC 319, one of the big winners, of course, on the main card, the one and only Michael Venom Page. Now, two and O is a middleweight, defeating Jared Kennanier, dare I say,

perhaps his best performance in the UFC to date. I know it's a short run compared to the Bellator run, but certainly in those first two rounds and certainly the knockdown in the first perhaps the highlight so far of his UFC run he's kind enough to join us for a few minutes on this Monday afternoon. There he is, Michael Venham Page, yeah, fresh off the big victory

in Chicago. By the way, did you happen to know that you were so beloved in Chicago? Holy smokes, with the chance, were you surprised by that? Yeah, I have to say, I was very surprised. It was obviously a welcome surprise. Even that moment where because it's such a calm in city,

such a lovely place, beautiful place. It reminds me of New York, but just like everything feels like a film set. It's just so beautifully designed. And then when I got off the bus for the first time to go and do the press conference, you know, there's a massive crowd of people. Even that, I was just like, wow, this is amazing. And they just started charting, charting MVP. And I was like, oh, wow.

Like I got such a cool reception. And then when I walked out on stage, again, an amazing reception. So, yeah, I loved it there. It warmed my heart because, you know, sometimes the UFC fans, they're quick to adopt the, quote-unquote, outsiders, the Bellator guys, whatever, to see them chant your name like that, I thought it was incredible. It was some big, some big people. I mean, look at this.

The crowd loved you, and you loved it, too. Yeah, I loved that. That's what I took up my phone, and I was like, I need to get this. It was amazing. So what about your assessment of the fight? I thought it was one of, if not, your best performance in the UFC today. I know you probably didn't love the third round, but the first and second were phenomenal. What did you think?

Yeah, you know what? And I could feel this in the buildup that, and I think I spoke to you about it when I was saying, I realized there is UFC jitters still within me, UFC nerves in which I didn't even really register when I first came in, didn't really think there was anything. The second fight with hearing Gary, I started to feel nervous during random times.

And I've never had that feeling before. During the fight, I just didn't feel that myself. And even up until the Sharra bullet fight, in which most people would have said, you know, I completely control the fight. I still didn't quite feel like myself and I still felt like I was holding onto something and something was weighing me down

and preventing me from being myself. But this fight, the whole way through, I was so calm. I was just like, yeah, like, you know, whatever is meant to be is meant to be. I just felt free. I felt like my old self again, which is why I was able to start styling

and, you know, I really enjoying myself, playing basketball. This is the kind of the MVP that, you know, most of my teammates get to see every day because I'm so relaxed, you know, and I'm really enjoying myself and having fun. So, yeah, I felt this is definitely, for me, emotionally anyway, felt like the best.

So I'm glad, like you say, other than the third round, I felt great. Yeah, you know, that stuff that you refer to as styling, we hadn't quite seen, like, the full arsenal in the UFC so far, so it did feel old school. Do you have any, not regrets, but, like, you dropped them a couple times. Do you wish you would have gone for the kill?

because you didn't do that. You asked him to come back. In retrospect, you wish you did that. No, not at all, not at all. I seriously was enjoying myself. The crowd there made it ten times easier for me to even be that way. And everyone keeps talking about, you know, oh, yeah, he should have gone over and done this and done that.

Again, I was in my element. I was enjoying myself. I made him a silly mistake and then realized why there's, you know, he's a middleweight when he was on top of me. and it just kind of felt like I just need to survive the round but I still felt comfortable and I wasn't worried

but I was like yeah it's hard to really get any kind of moves off because he's just got such crazy intense pressure but yeah I still enjoy myself I loved it I wouldn't change anything when you're referring to that mistake

what exactly are you talking to talking about so is my again I'm very as everyone's seen my alignment my movement my angles are usually really, really on point. I made the mistake of basically I had something in my head to do and I just rushed to do it instead of setting up the alignment of it.

And, you know, I manipulate people. I push and pull them, I turn them and I angle them. And this time I was like, I already felt like I just wanted to start applying pressure straight away. So I wanted to land something big and then start really just pushing forward. And because my angle wasn't right, my leg slightly got knocked on the way in. And then again, he just, you know, as he saw, ended up on top, and it just made it difficult to kind of really do anything.

The one-punch knockdown in the first round was like a thud, the way in which he fell. What are you thinking in that moment? Again, I was just having fun. And that is how I used to be. Whereas before I was, I think, again, I was trying to impress. You know, I felt myself like trying to impress the UFC crowd and trying to impress. you know, the likes of Hunter and Dana White and trying to impress, you know, just everybody. And I've never been like that. I've always just been myself. And impressive things happen

because I'm being myself. And this is the first time I was just, I seriously were just in the old school MVP flow state. And it felt amazing. How did your body feel as a middleweight for the second time? I have to say, it does feel good. I do feel strong. And I felt it. I think, you know what, the, the, where I did really feel it was, I think it was in the second round where he managed to get a takedown up against the cage. And immediately, I was able to stand back up. He didn't even feel like there was, they didn't even feel like there was that much pressure on me. And I just stood back up. And at that time, I was like, oh, yeah, I'm feeling really strong here.

Again, his hip, on the other hand, obviously, when he took me down the third round, his hip just felt like a bit. That was like, this is a middleweight. and I need to do a little bit more work to kind of put this way if I'm going to because I still haven't quite made my decision that this is exactly where I'm going to be but I do need to take serious thought and make a decision I believe that if I'm going to stay at middleweight

or if I'm going to go back to Walterway because if I go to middleweight and I make that this executive decision and say yep I'm definitely going to stay here then there's certain things I need to improve on in my training strength wise and actually make it so that the cut is going to be a little bit more difficult as it usually is from when I get down, they have to go down to Walterway because then I will, those elements of that fight

where it felt like he was too heavy, he wouldn't feel like he wouldn't feel that heavy. So it's interesting, how do you ultimately make that decision? Is it based off of like the assignment that is presented to you, the fight, the offer, or is it you tell the UFC, hey, I'm sticking here, what do you got at 185 for me, what do you got to win? Ultimately, because I do wonder, you have options, interesting options at both now. I do wonder how you come to that conclusion and stick with one. Yeah, I have to sit down with, you know, the most important people around me that, you know, will help me guide my decision. It has to be come from me, has to be my decision. It has to be

with my coaches, with my teammates, with my family, and sit down and, you know, we have a serious discussion. I'll go over how I feel in both divisions. And the path to the top, obviously, what is my ultimate goal? My ultimate goal is a goal. get that belt. What does that path to the top look like and then make a decision on that? And then once I've come to that decision and I go back to the UFC and say, cool, look, this is, this is the plan. This is where I really want to be and then go from there. Are you leaning in one sort of direction at this point at this point in time? Obviously, you haven't made a final, but like, do you find yourself leaning? Yeah. Again, there are many benefits in the middleweight division.

so I understand why I'm being pushed that way as well it feels like even the UFC are more excited for me to be in the middleweight division I think the only thing I stop in me I think maybe if I have a couple more fights at Walterweight the couple of fights that I want to have then I maybe might feel a bit you know less excited to want to stay there

there are a few fights I think there's just some cool fights that I can have at well to wait and then you know then I make a decision and say yeah like I'm going to go out You just stay there. We know about Leon in the UK. Is there any other one? Yeah, JDM.

I just stylistically, I know he's got the belt, and obviously I have to get into that position to, you know, ask for a shot at the belt. But stylistically, I feel like I can win that fight. So, yeah, that fight as well. Okay. By the way, I've been watching you for years. I never noticed the scar on your stomach.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When's that from? I've had quite a few people notice it and ask. Stuff happens. Okay. Is this from a while ago? Yeah, yeah, that's from a while ago. Like when you were a kid?

Yeah. Okay. But you don't want to say what it's about? I'll leave it as a mystery for me. Fair enough. Fair enough. One thing that I did bring up in all fairness was, you know, we've talked about Dana not loving the walkouts, the elaborate walkouts.

I did wonder what he would think of your stylin. Do you have any sort of idea of what he thought of that type of stuff? Because historically, he hasn't always been the biggest fan of that. Yeah, again, you know what, it's, I kind of knew what I was walking into. That was definitely part of my, you know, I had to be part of my decision making when wanting to come to the UFC. Over, historically, as you say, he doesn't tend to. to like any of that kind of stuff, which was actually a massive worry for me coming to the

UFC. But in my eyes, I'm just like, I knew I wanted to come here anyway, and I also can't care about somebody else. This is what makes me me, you know? The fact that I'm there now, I'm not, I'm going to refuse to be pushed or molded into anything else apart from myself. I am the best. I am the most entertaining. I'm the most dangerous when I am myself. and even trying to care about what important figures, obviously, but trying to care about what important people care about and want to see is just not even in my head anymore. So I think that's part of the pressure

where a lot of these guys coming over from Bellator, they feel immediately, they want to impress Dana. They want to impress the heads and they really, nah, you know, for me, be myself. I am an impressive person. I bring eyes. I bring excitement, I bring just, I feel like I bring magic to the cage in which not many people can do and I'm just going to keep being myself.

It's such a good point that you just made at the end there because I feel like throughout your Belator run, the narrative was, uh, yeah, this will work in Belator, but it'll never work in the UFC. Look at all the success you've had and not to clown on them or put them down, but this has been a tough year for guys who we all thought would have great success in the UFC whenever they came over. It's not been very good. I would imagine you're not happy for their struggles, but there is a part of you that feels quite good in seeing how this all has played out.

Yeah, of course. I never pray for anybody's down for at all. It never helps me in any way, shape, or form. It is nice to see, and literally just for my own journey, because the biggest question mark over my style and how I have my successes up until the point of UFC was, ah, but he can't do it in the UFC, exactly as you say

and not only am I doing the UFC I'm doing it in the same manner the guys that are obviously like Jared and he is man his resume is unbelievable the people that he's fought against and the people that he's beaten unbelievable

and I feel like I made it seem quite easy and I think I've been telling people this about my style even when I was in Bellator I was like don't just watch the style but just even how I'm doing it I've had 15 minute matches where nobody's landed apart

That's unheard of. It's hard to do. Again, people just kept belittling the opponents. And now they're seeing that, no, this is, there's something about this style. And it's just nice to finally get that appreciation for something that I care about so much in which, you know, my style, the point style, something that Joe Rogan's spoken about highly for years. But again, he had to experience it himself.

Even when I've heard him talk about it, he said it was a points fighter that kicked his ass first. And now he's like, oh, I get it. and so many people will never have that experience so they you know it's me that's kind of they're watching me and seeing how I deal with different people and that's how they're really kind of getting that information so I'm glad that I've managed to put that to the masses

and also it does seem like your star like we said Chicago crowd going crazy congratulations a million followers on Instagram it's all coming together yeah it really is man and it that even that side people don't even understand the the mental strain, not strain, but the mental kind of like disappointment sometimes. Like I look at random people on Instagram that they just do random stuff and they've got millions

and millions of followers. And I was like, I've been busting my ass for years and, you know, tried my, again, you know me already, trying to be entertaining, try to be creative as well as win fights as in a fashionable way and people, you know, still don't really care to follow. you know what I mean so it's just nice again there's a lot of positive things are happening of recent and especially since

joining the UFC and it's just nice to finally get all of these appreciations just yeah just a nice feeling on the night during the event Pratchez talks about October 11th and you're asked about it as well fast forward two hours

I wake up you guys are partying together look at this I think he's still partying by the way I'm not sure what's it like partying with Carlos Prachis? He told me he's going to be parted. To be fair, he came in a bit later. So we didn't get to spend like loads and loads of time together, but I like him.

And what was nice, and he actually mentioned it before as well, which again is really nice to hear. He's like, I've been a massive inspiration for him. Even in the MMA game, he's seen me for many, many years. He literally said myself, Adisani and Anderson Silva, are three people. he just thinks are amazing and it was just nice to hear you know someone that's doing so well and i'm a potential opponent but yet he's still willing to gift me that um you know that that that praise um very nice of him to to do um i think it'd be yeah he'd be an amazing fight what a knockout that

he did did the other day as well um super talented super heavy-handed super dangerous it'd be a great fight. Obviously, it's quite a quick turn around. And even he said he's like, yeah, two weeks, I'm just partying. So we'll see, you know, if we can make that happen. I'd love to fight in Brazil. There's some, somewhere I haven't even, I just want to visit, let alone get to fight in because I've had so many fans over there since almost the beginning of my career. So I'd definitely love to do that. We just need to see if we can make it happen. By the way, what about Anthony Petis tweeting about you. You see that? Oh, I haven't, no. I think you're not

really active on Twitter these days, right? No, no, at all. Me and MVP at 170, Dream Fight. I did. With respect, Pettis doesn't want that. Let's just leave it at that. I'm glad he

put his hand out for it. I'm way too dangerous for him. Maybe that's just a sign of love. He's obviously not in the UFC, but saying, like, hey, one day in an alternate university, it would have been. Yeah, you know, again, you know, if you get guessed, it depends on where my career goes to you now,

but I feel like I've just been given a new lease of life. Of course. Like I said, there's some real exciting fights for me to have that are realistic, do you know what I mean? So, again, maybe when I'm in that time, after my UFC career and he decided, I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud. but if we align we align

I just still don't think it's going to be a good night for him but yeah I'll take it as a compliment one more before I let you go what about the champion you're an 85er at this point what about what he did in that main event Hamza Chamaev Chamaev and like I said I've had the privilege of being in the gym and watching him work

he is an absolute beast an absolute animal what he did was insane and to be fair I actually felt like at certain points during that fight he was being nice when he got him in the crucifix so many positions and I was like I don't understand why he's not using his elbows

he was punching a lot more than he was using his elbows and I think most people in that position they're looking for free shots and he was there for like four minutes at a time sometimes I'm surprised he didn't rain down elbows on him so yeah it was just it was it was unbelievable but yeah that's a day It's a dangerous fight for absolutely anybody, like, especially, I know, again, I'd have to make a decision to really say I'm going to live at middleweight and do so much work to get to a place where I know I can even, you know, defend myself and get back up to where I know.

Because in my head, it doesn't matter. You have to walk into that fight knowing that you're going to spend some time in your back, yeah, and you've got to work from there. so I need to make sure I have that strength and so on and so forth so again for me right now it's a case of getting myself to a position to be able to put my hand up and say

I want to be next to fight for the title whatever division that is and then whoever is the one holding that belt is the person I got to push for but yeah that guy's amazing I was thinking at 185 maybe you versus Paulo Costa great fight

great fight you versus Izzy no you're your friends yeah like again obviously i understand why a lot of people want to that would be a dream yeah it's one of yeah i understand it but again and i've said it many times ufc would have to pay us a hell of a lot of money so if people really want it they're got to make a lot of noise and get encouraged them to to fill our pockets for that one but other than that it's not going to happen i get it i get it some things are bigger than the money uh thank you so much for the time you're the man so happy for your success it's just so great to see you transition

over and have the success. And for all the people to finally, it's always so frustrating when guys fight in other organizations and they don't get the same type of love. So to see the crowd chanting on Thursday, I was like, beautiful, well done. Always appreciate you giving us the time. And the thing is, again, even from the beginning,

it was just people like yourself that kept giving me these platforms to showcase, you know, just even my personality and having that belief in me, so I appreciate you. You haven't forgotten about us yet. You'll become UFC champion, and then you won't respond. You know me, man. It never happened. I know, I know. I know. Thank you so much, Michael. I appreciate it. Enjoy your time off and congrats again. Definitely. Thank you. Take care.

The great Michael Venom Page. Now, 4 and 1 in the UFC, he has looked incredible at middleweight. It wasn't really a part of the script. Did not expect this. But, man, you beat Jared Canineer. You beat Char Bullitt. You beat Jared Canineer. You're now a middleweight contender. And it's going to be very interesting to see if he sticks with this weight class. I say, why not? Let the good times role. Lise Le Bontan roulette. So that was one of the other big winners. We'll talk to some of the other ones later in the week, but the man who kicked off the pay-per-view main card was one of the big underdog winners on the card, maybe even

after the first round, the biggest of them all. He was going into this fight against Kai Sukura, who was coming up that title fight against Alex Pantoja, had not fought since December of 2023. So about a year and a half or so, and he turned back the clock. What a performance by the 38-year-old Tim Elliott, not suggesting that he's an old guy or anything. I'm older, but it was nice to see one of the OGs of the game get a big win, and especially that guillotine choke in the second round.

What a performance, what a sub that was. He's kind enough to join us on this Monday afternoon. Let's say hello to Big Tim. Hello, Tim. How are you? I'm good, man. I put the O and OG. I'll take that. I love that.

And you looked fantastic. Although I do, everything about it was great. it was entertaining this was great I do have one bone to pick with you right off the bat Oh yeah

No it was just the hair The hair and the beard man I was I loved it I loved how you looked on Fight Week and I just I wanted this guy And then you came back Looking all clean cut

And all like nicely groomed Why not this guy Why not stick with it Honestly I was worried That if I looked like that And I won that I would get more hate So I thought it would be better To try to win

And not look like a homeless I literally had somebody come up to me outside of sprouts i was sitting outside with my dog and uh a guy kept coming up and asking me if i was okay if i needed anything i didn't understand what he was saying and uh then he asked me if i needed any money and i was like no man my my family's inside they they 86 me from the uh the sprouts because i had my wiener dog with me and he's he's not a service dog he doesn't i mean he's cute but he doesn't provide any service but it took me a minute to figure out like what he wanted and what was going on and i had to let him know like no i didn't

I didn't need a sandwich or anything that I was okay. Did you get the Forrest Gump comparisons as well, especially when you showed up with the hat on Media Day? So many Forrest Gump comparisons. It's unbelievable. Okay. So that's just kind of like the fight week or fight camp look, but then when you fight, you want to look, you know, clean.

You want to clean it up. Yeah, man, during the fight camp, when I'm actually in fight camp, I spend all my time working on the house, training, spending time with my daughter, and, you know, my girlfriend and my kid, they don't care what I look like, really. And I don't really care. You know, I'm trying to really focus on the fight. So I let myself go a little bit. I just kind of, I get into a little bit of a hermit mode. And then, you know, when I get out to the city and I get a fight, that's,

you know, I have to meet people, I have to talk to people, have to be on camera. I try to look as presentable as possible. The problem with this one was I couldn't get my haircut until Thursday and all the media was on Wednesday, so I had a little bit of both. Well, it was a good talking point, and I enjoyed it and was holding out hope that you'd stick with it, but I can understand why you'd go in this direction. You didn't mention in the post-fight press conference that you felt sometimes over the past couple years that you were being booked in fights where maybe the UFC wanted to build someone off of your name. Did you feel like this fight was one of those fights going in?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. And, again, I don't really know. I'm just a fighter. I don't know the ins and outs. But yeah, I know you try to sell markets when you're trying to, you know, get a demographic of people. And the UFC is already in the United States. So they don't need the United States demographic.

So when I fought Tiberkov, for example, I thought that, you know, that was a guy they wanted to win. They want to sell that market. When I fought Kai, I thought the same thing. They want to, of course they won a Japanese champion. If you're a champion from Japan, everybody in the country loves you. if I'm a champion from Missouri, nobody really cares. I don't know about nobody,

but the whole United States does not get behind me just because I'm from the United States. So I get it. It's a smart business model. They're trying to make money. I'm trying to make money too. So honestly, it's good for me. When I fight the guys that I'm supposed to lose to

is good for me because I also get that demographic. The money that the UFC is trying to get from these countries to have a champion, I end up getting fans and friends and, you know, create relationships. So it ends up being money for me as well. So I completely understand it. Why was he having success in the first round? And what are you thinking in between first and second rounds?

And also, if you don't mind, what are you being told to head into the second round and look the way in which you did? When I was really getting ready for this fight, I don't know about the goal. But the plan was, I don't even know if it was a plan. Everybody that I worked with that was trying to help me kind of told me like, hey, man, the first round's going to be rough. You're going to get hit. He's fast, he's strong, he's explosive, he's big, and all those things were true. So I was going into the fight, completely expecting to not win the first round.

That was the game plan. And the game plan was to go in, not go at him. I had several coaches and friends tell me like, look, man, this guy's only thing is to knock you out. And if he's going to knock you out, he's got to come get you. So he's got a lot of knockouts by guys going after him and then him not having to go search for the knockout. So the first round was get on my bicycle, go backwards, make him come at me, frustrate him a little bit, be weird. And then settle in the second round and then try to get the finish there. The whole entire game plan, the whole, everything that we worked was lose the first round.

Just make sure that we get out of the first round. If we get out of the first round, we're going to win this fight. And the whole entire plan was to get a submission in the second round. And that's exactly what happened. It doesn't always happen like that, especially for me. I'm not a good planner. I'm a fighter, man. And I'm going to make mistakes.

I'm having fun. and I'm a, I'm a coach's dream in the sense that I'll listen and I'll trust you and I'll do whatever you say, but also I'm a coach's nightmare because I love to fight and I'm going to do stupid shit. It's just, I can't help it. One, I'm not that good. I'm a fighter and I love to fight, but technically I'm not that sound. I have something different and I was able to show that in this fight. And, you know, Kai is a better martial arts artist than me.

He's probably a better technical fighter than me, but MMA is not about who, the best. It's about who can mix it up better, who can have their game plan work, and I was able to do that all on Saturday. That quote about he was martial artsing me and you were fighting him, that you just pretty much summed it up, in other words, right there. Tremendous line. Yes, sir. I love that. I see the love that you have for fighting. I saw the way in which you talked about how proud you were to fight for the UFC and how you want to stay with the UFC because they've afforded you this life to where you can be with your daughter and not have to send her to daycare and you could be at home you could be present to not be able to fight though

for a year and a half your last fight was December of 2023 how difficult was this stretch actually more than a year and a half almost two years at this point how difficult was the stretch for you yeah it was it was 250 something days and uh you know uh 250 days of not being able to do the thing that you've been doing your whole life the thing that really makes you happy you know even before I was a father, which is, you know, that kind of took predicence over everything that I did in my life. Before I was a father, I was a fighter. And that was my first love.

That was the thing that I finally, you know, figured out like, this is something I can do. And, you know, it's a real art form. And being an artist doesn't mean making money. It means doing something that you love. And every artist hopes that one day they're going to have their one painting that makes them money. The problem with artists is usually you don't make any real money until after you're dead. And I'm lucky enough to still be an artist that's alive and making money.

So I don't have to Vince and Van Gogh this shit. I'm finally living in doing exactly what I want to do. And I'm getting paid enough to where, you know, even with this several hundred day layoff, with this paycheck, I can pay my bills and I can pay my debts and I can spend time with my family and I can go back to doing exactly what I want to do. love and that's fighting and I want to keep the ball rolling there's not going to be another six hundred day layoff what about this I saw you posted a a screen grab of some guy sending you crap on Instagram I I guess that's maybe one of several but what is this well like where is this even coming from you know I'm not sure but apparently Kai and I are in cahoots and were government officials oh dear I don't I don't know man it's it's weird I get a lot

of that. I saw you commenting on a lot of this. Why? Why are you even looking at any of it? Why you let it enter your psyche? It's fun for me, man. It's part of the game. I don't mind it. I get, that's the thing about fighting is I have lots of spare time. I can only train hours a day, especially being as old as I am. I like to interact with the fans. I did this thing where when I first started getting people messaging me on Instagram, my stick was I'm going a message every single person back. If you take the time to message me, I'm going to message you back. And then, like, you know, more than half of that shit is people telling me what a piece of shit I am. And normally that doesn't bother me. The only things that ever really get to me are

when they talk about my kid, because that's the thing that I love the most, even more than fighting. My daughter is the most important thing. So I rarely share anything that's negative unless it has to do with my daughter. But I don't know. It's like an outlet for me. I don't let it build up, I don't let it bother me. I put it out there on the internet and then my friends and my family and my fans and even people that hate me get to see a little insight and I don't even have to do any of those battles because the internet people do it for me. I do appreciate that it seemed like in the midst of the way-in day you're going back and forth with people. You talked about the scales and then people got mad about that. Yeah, I mean they think that I'm saying like

the scales are inaccurate or the scales or this and that and it's not that. But the thing about the accuracy is it doesn't mean shit nobody it doesn't fucking matter if the scale is accurate or not what it matters is what the scale says and all week we weigh on scales where everybody knows what the fucking scale says and then i come down for the way ends every time and i hop on a digital scale and it says my weight and they're like all right jim you made weight go sit over here don't eat or drink anything and then i wait and then i get on that balance scale and they say a weight that is different than the weight that i fucking weighed on the digital scale but i just say okay, and then they bring out these guys with a curtain and all that other shit.

And I know what the curtain means. The curtain means the guy didn't fucking make weight on the digital scale. It happened with Mohamed Mokhev and Abu Dhabi. He was over. I get a message saying like, oh, they're having trouble making weight. And then they show this guy with a curtain, and now all of a sudden he's on weight. And the same thing happened with Kai. I get a message from my team saying, like, oh, he's struggling making way.

And I was like, okay, well, whatever, that's fine. And then he's got a curtain around him, and then he magically makes weight. it's not I'm not saying that because people were like oh you weighed 126 the same as his so if he didn't make weight then you didn't make weight but they don't know what the fuck they're talking about I know I made weight because I got on a digital scale and they're like okay you're 125.2 and I was like cool so I go and sit down and then all of a sudden he's 126 as well it's weird because I was 125.2 and then I get on the digital scale and they're like 126 and then they're like 126 for Kai after he had to get a curtain doesn't make any fucking sense if it's a digital scale or a balance scale I don't care, but it needs to be plastered up there to where everybody can see to where everybody knows who's doing what. Because if I have to make weight, I want them to make weight too. Or if I don't have to make way, I don't want to have to make way. It's got to be one of the other and can't be both. I appreciate this. Also, I don't like a pet peeve of mine, is they have these old scales that no one uses unless you go to the doctor's office. We live in 2025. There's great digital

scales. But then you ever notice sometimes they'll go to these places and someone will step on the scale and it'll go there for a second and then they'll push it off and I'm like wait a second wait a what is happening here it seems like they pick and choose when they get you know a little very particular about these these things it seems like a way to cheat yes I don't mind I'm like I don't mind I don't mind cheating whatever that's fine but it seems like a way to cheat but I feel like nobody's ever going to cheat for me and that's what I don't like I don't care about cheating but if people are going to be able to cheat like I want to fucking be able to cheat too I don't want

I don't want to be the dumb ass that's doing the thing that is right and then other guys get a cheat if everybody gets to cheat then it's fair but if nobody gets to if we have digital scales then nobody gets to cheat we get to see what it is and and it doesn't matter if the scales are more accurate that's why I was like

oh you don't fucking understand you idiot the balance scales are more accurate but that doesn't matter because it's about consistency and consistently we weigh on digital scales all fucking weak And then the one time that it's important, we're weighing on the scale where everybody's like, I don't know, I guess this is what it is.

And then everybody's just like, okay, that's what it is. And then if you complain about it, everybody's calling you a bitch and saying, I'm looking for a way out of the fight. Which is crazy because you made way, no problem. By the way, you did feel the need to mention that you were drug tested for this fight. Why? Because it happened once before with Ali Baguatinov, where they didn't drug test everybody. they were like, okay, this time it's random

and I was randomly drug tested and this time they said, look, not everybody's going to get drug tested so I just assumed not meant that it was random, but I was one of the guys that got tested and I'm always one of the guys that wants to be tested. Like, look, if I'm going to quit doing drugs, I want to be tested.

So I don't mind being tested, but I want to make sure that if I'm getting tested, my opponent's getting tested too. And when I fought Ali Bagua Tinov, I got drug tested and he didn't. And then his next fight, he fought Demetrius Johnson, and he tested positive for EPOs. And in my head, I'm like, what are the fucking chances that he wasn't on EPOs when I fought it? Okay.

Do you know if Kai got tested, too? Oh, I have no idea. Okay. I mean, how I'm a nobody, man. I don't know. I love it. And I'm not trying to say that he didn't make weight. And I'm not trying to say that he was on drugs.

All I'm saying is I passed a drug test and I made weight. And I want, if I'm going to have to fucking do that, I want other guys to have to do that, too. at least the guys that I'm fighting. If everybody else is not having to make weight and being on steroids, like I want to not make weight and be on stairroads too. How quickly do you want to return? Man, this was the first fight in years that I went into the fight with no injuries. I had to really adjust my training because I'm getting older, man,

and I can't just go, go, go, go, go, go. So this fight, I took a little bit of time off right before the fight. I forced myself to just go and watch sparring. I sat there and I watched my teammates and I watched my friends spar each other. I sat on the sideline wishing I could be in there. And then by the time the fight happened, I was ready to go and get my sparring in.

And I think that's maybe a good thing for me to get to the point to where I feel the need to get in there and fucking throw down. And me not sparring right before this fight kind of helped because this whole camp, I didn't do a ton of cardio. I didn't do a ton of weight training. What I did was a ton of sparring.

I spared and I spared and I spared and I spared and when my body hurt, I took a little bit of time off. And then right before the fight, I forced myself to be on the bike to do a little bit of weight training and just watch these other guys go in there and do the thing that I love. And it made me jealous to see my friends getting in there and doing something that I really, really loved. So by the time the fight came around, man,

I was ready to spar. I was ready to do what I was able to do on Saturday night. And I think me holding myself back a little bit and forcing myself to want it really made a difference in this fight. This is really interesting because now there's like a movement where I feel like more guys are saying I'm sparring less. You're doing the opposite. I'm doing the opposite.

I'm sparring more, but I'm also picking really good opponents. I have guys. I have guys in my gym that I can go three ounce gloves no shin guards full tilt elbows knees everything

and we're not hurting each other I don't know when you get to the point to where you have some some good chemistry with some training partners you can full on fight and not get injured

and I'm lucky enough to have some guys that can go full tilt and I'm not getting cut I'm not getting hurt I'm not getting blasted on I don't have any ego guys that I'm going with. It's mutual respect and admiration and friendship and love from my team and my jam and my coaches. And man, this is the happiest I've ever been in the sport and I've always loved this game.

But I can't remember a time where I've enjoyed doing what I'm doing more than right now. Wow. I love that. Last thing, is there someone that you have in mind? For a fight? Yeah. I don't know. I'm hearing like Steve Urseg, Amir al-Bazi, Kikeir-France. I like all those guys. Okay. The thing is, is anytime I've ever asked for somebody, they've never even acknowledged the fact that I've asked somebody.

The only time that I've ever said, like, hey, I don't want to fight this guy was Zach McCoskey. I said it once. I was like, hey, this is the guy I don't want to fight, and that was my immediate next fight. So I don't do that anymore. But the only time in the history of the history. history of me being in the UFC that I ever said I didn't want to fight somebody. I fought him like 12 days later and that was Zach Kovsky. Okay, so let's not, um, let's not say we don't want to fight anyone, but I like those three names that you just mentioned. Those all make sense. I also understand that you were driving home. Now you're on a bit of a road trip or something like that and you're stopping off to speak to us. So I appreciate that very much. Thank you for

pulling over and, uh, and for giving us some time and so happy for your. Congratulations on an incredible win. And I thought you were great all week. Everything. From the way in scales to the look on media day, to the new look, to the submission. It was a great week for Tim Elliott. So welcome back and congratulations. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it. And I can't I can't say it enough. Like, I'm the luckiest guy in the world. And, you know, even if I would elastic high, nothing changes. This has been a great ride. And I'm really blessed. Love it. Congrats, Tim. Thank you. thank you sir there he is tim elliott how can you not root for him what a what a great perspective on life

and what a career former ufc flyweight contender back-to-back performance bonuses by the way back-to-back wins too currently on a four and one run most fights in the ufc flyweight division 19 longest control time among active fighters longest control time in ufc flyweight division among active fighters, one hour, 12 minutes, and 33 seconds. Also, most total strikes landed in the UFC flyweight division among the current active fighters, 1,828. Like I said, earlier in the day, Asakura, Tyra. I wonder if they hold off on that now. And there were no real serious talks out there of them going to Japan that made a lot of sense, but Tim Elliott screwed it all up and good on him. What a performance.

That's, of course, still a name that I think that they are very interested in, and these are two very tough fights, the current champion and a former title contender. So maybe a step back, build him back up, and let's see where he goes from here. All right, so we've talked about 319. We've talked about a lot of the fights that happened. Unfortunately, a fight that we were looking forward to did not happen. You know, we had Brian Battle on the program. I think it was just a couple weeks ago now, and we were talking about his fight.

at 185 pounds against Nerseltan Ruzibayev. And unfortunately, at the morning weigh-ins, we found out that he had come in over the 186-pound limit. That's Brian. And then shortly thereafter, we found out that the fight was canceled. So I wanted to speak to Brian about what happened. And his side of the story and where he goes from here, the butcher is kind enough to be on the program

to clear the air on everything that transpired. Hey, Brian, thanks for doing this. I appreciate it. Hey, man. I appreciate you for having me and, you know, giving me a chance to talk. You know, it's a bummer. You know, we couldn't be doing this under, you know, celebrating. But regardless, I appreciate you for having me on the show. For sure. So what happened? What happened? Why did you miss Wade on Friday? Man, I mean, you know, several factors, you know what I'm saying? And it's, uh, but, you know, I think, you know, I'm getting older and my body just can't do

the things that it used to do, you know what I'm saying? So, um, you know, and fighting, like, I didn't come in that much heavier than I did for the last fight. So, you know, I thought it was going to be a piece of cake. I thought it was going to be a, uh, a walk in the park and, you know, things just went south and, you know, when you're cutting weight and things go south is kind of once things start going downhill, it's hard to recover from it, you know what I mean?

When did you start to realize that this was going to be a problem? The morning of, the morning of, like, early, like, we got up at about 5 o'clock to finish doing the rest of the cut. And, you know, lost the pound in, like, the first 40 minutes,

but, you know, we spent like five hours, you know, the next four hours, I think that I was sweating the whole time, but I just wasn't sweating a lot. And I, you know, I lost about another pound over the course of the next four hours and just like sitting in a sauna or jumping from the sauna to the hot bath, you know what I'm saying, putting on the sauna suit and running around and everything like that. So, yeah, about the morning of. Do you think, and the reason I ask you this question is, because it's now back-to-back missing weight, obviously at 170 and now at 185, but do you think there's something wrong with your body, like that it's just not doing

what you wanted to do in these extreme circumstances? No, no, I think I'm just getting older. You know what I'm saying? I just have to, you know, there was, I remember one time when I was, you know, still an amateur, I know there was one time I had a fight it was supposed to be at 205 and on short notice I got switched to a 185 pound fight and on Monday I was 22 pounds and by Friday I was 186 pounds you know uh and you know that you know it's stuff like that kind of you know makes you know at least I think I took things for Brandon a little bit you know what I'm saying and

It's on me. You know, I'm extremely, you know, the consequences are pretty steep, you know what I mean? You know, didn't just let the fans down. I let people who believe in me down. You know what I'm saying? I let the company down, the organization down. So, you know, it really hurts. There's just going to have to be some lifestyle changes, some stuff I didn't have to do that.

It's just like it's what I have to do now. Like I said, my body's getting, I'm not a young man anymore, you know what I'm saying? So I just got to make the adjustments and move forward. Why did the fight get canceled? Because obviously, like I said, you missed way part of the Brown fight, but that fight went through. You have to give up a percentage of your purse, all that. Ultimately, how did we get to it being canceled? Well, it was actually, it was funny how it happened.

Because initially, after the way, you know, age and, you know, talking the coach and everything. I believe Nerselton took it off the rip. And, you know, I went to go take a nap, you know, saying, hydrate a little bit, take a nap, get ready for the show win, the mock way in, but I woke up and my coach came in. He said, Norsetan didn't take the fight with it. You know, I was just, you know, it was.

But, you know, I can't get mad at them. You know what I'm saying? That's all me. You know, I have to take full responsibility for that or else, you know, there's no way to adjust and grow and get better from it. So that's really all I'm thinking about right now, just adjusting, growing and getting better,

making sure that nothing like this ever happens here. You saw him afterwards, right? I think I saw, like, a photo or two. What did you guys talk about? I just went up and apologized to them. I just, you know, I went up and I told him, I said, hey, that's on me. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry we couldn't fight. I hope we can run it back I would love to run it back you know what I'm saying I would love to fight you you know what I'm saying and so they were saying maybe October and

Abu Dhabi you know I know that's close to where he stays you know that's really out of my hands you know what I'm saying we'll see you know we'll see if if I still have a job in a little bit you know what I'm saying

but yeah you know it's just one up to him to apologize you know what I'm saying man to man you know what I'm saying just let him know that uh you know I'm sorry you know what I'm saying I know he worked really hard I know he made weight so I'm sorry I didn't hold up my end of the bargain are you worried that they might release you as a result of this um you know I've accepted that it is a a possibility you know what I'm saying I've accepted that it's it is something

that could happen and that is justifiable on their end. You know what I'm saying? Like the USC's been nothing but good to me. You know what I'm saying? Like being in the UFC has changed my life. And so, you know, you know, hopefully,

hopefully they're gracious. You know what I'm saying? And they give me another chance. You know what I'm saying? You know, it's not something I feel entitled to at this point. So no indication to your manager, to your team, like, hey, like we're going to, we're going to stick with this guy.

We want to still be, they haven't told you that. I haven't talked to, I haven't talked to my agent yet. And so I'm actually, I'm going to call him a little bit after this and just like, talk to him and see where things are at. You know what I mean?

And so, you know, I'm just telling things one day at a time right now. You know what I mean? So, are you worried? Yeah. Um, it's stuff like that's not my control.

You know what I'm saying? saying right now I'm worried about tomorrow you know so um and regardless regardless no what happens I know I'm still one the best on the planet so uh I know I'll be back so um you know so if I got to go go out and go whoop some ass and you know through myself and show that I can still do it and I can still make weight and do all that stuff and that's what I'll go do and I'll come back and you know what I'm saying um to fill my potential but um you know i i'm i don't i'm in a place right now where i don't feel entitled to anything and i don't feel uh you know what i'm saying i i would under i would understand

you know what i mean and um you know like i said if they're kind of gracious i'll be extremely thankful for that but uh you know uh this is this is just like a time where it's just like i need a to focus on the day-to-day I get that get that worked out maybe a bit of a crazy question but do you feel like you have to move up to 205 Anthony Johnson once fought at 170

and move like do you feel you know here's the thing I think I could definitely fight people out of 205 I would do 1 in 205 I don't think I need to go like I can definitely still make me the way I can won 10,000% make me the way like I said I never ran out of

like I was even though a lot of water wasn't coming out of me water was still coming out of me if that makes sense you know what I'm saying so there's no doubt in my mind that I can make 185 you know what I mean I could probably make 185 next week

if I had to you know what I'm saying and just make a couple of tweets and adjustments you know what I'm saying but but you know with that being said is if I had to take a fight at 205 then I'll take a fight at 205 you know what I mean like that's what the that's what the bosses want

that's what the boss will get, you know what I mean? So, you know, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. So I see from the sign behind, you stayed in Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I tried to get out earlier, but they could change my flight. All the flights were sold out. Oh, man.

I was just kind of like, I'd just been kind of land, well, you know what I'm saying? Not trying to do too much. But, yeah, now, yeah, initially. you know, you have plans to, you know, do this and that after the fight and then things go south and, you know, you just kind of stuck a little bit, you know what I mean? So, but heading home, heading home, excited to get back, see my family, figure out what's the next to me here. When you, when you talk about the changes, when you talk about things like that, does

that mean like maybe no drinking and all that, like some real serious life changes? No, I know drinking is, like, at the top of the product. Because it's just, once again, you know, it's not, it's always stopped drinking, like, weeks out to the fight. But, like, now it's just, like, one of those things. It's just, like, my body isn't reacting as quickly as I wanted to do. And just, like, just as a principle in general, I feel like I need to punish myself a little bit, you know what I'm saying?

I feel like I just. And I deserve it. I haven't earned it. So, yeah. For the foreseeable future, I will be drinking. Oh. Yeah. We'll see what, as far as anything else, you know what I'm saying?

There's really, that was the thing. It wasn't like I was like doing anything crazy before the fight. Like, I wasn't going. I have people that were, went to me years since everything seemed good. Like, I was super fucking sharp. You know what I'm saying? really ready to fight, really ready to get after it. But, you know, at the end of the day, I only got myself to blame for it.

So, at the, you know, take accountability, you know what I'm saying, reflect and, you know, make all the necessary adjustments that need to be made. Are you getting a lot of shit online? Yeah, you can say that. How are you handling it? Yeah. man you know it's it's one of those things where um you know you know i can't i can't talk shit back you know what i'm saying i really just want to make weight you know what i'm saying that's the

only thing you can do you know what i'm saying all you can do is keep on moving forward and uh you know i'm just not sitting there dwelling on it i'm not checking all the comments because i already know what they're all saying you know um and You know, I got people, and even with all this shit talking, there's still people who are reaching out and showing love. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, even on top of that, it's one of those things where, all right, well, you know, there's all these people talking shit. There's people still talking about it. You know what I'm saying?

So it's just I'm a less unfortunate person. I want to keep on a just building on it, you know what I'm saying? And next time we'll have good publicity, you know what I'm saying? they say all publicity is good publicity we just want good publicity paid you know what I'm going to go out there we'll pass next time give the W make weight and keep on moving forward with my career

appreciate you coming on Brian anything else that you want to get off your chest or say to the people after I would imagine a tough weekend um well one just I want to say thank you to all all the fans you know what I'm saying um you know everyone especially especially the people

who are still showing love. Like at this moment, the motherfucker goes who you're still showing love. You know, I feel that. You know what I'm saying? Those are the real, real, real, real, real friends. I'm sorry to all the people I let down who were ready to watch me fight.

You know what I'm saying? Because it did, you know, it makes you a heart warm when you, like, the lead up to the fight. You see how many people are just excited to watch you fight. You know what I'm saying? How many people are invested? I don't want to apologize to the UFC, you know, Mick Maynard, Hunter Campbell.

You know what I'm saying? All those guys, you know, like to apologize. You know, even my agent Jason House, you know what I'm saying? You know, bowed is for me and he's gone. He's done so many great things from me. Just really just deeply humbly, you know, I'm super sorry. And this has been like, you know, it's like I missed before, but like the consequences are just fucking on a different caliber this time. So, you know, just, I'll be back.

And I'm going to be better. You know what I'm saying? This isn't stopping the butcher by any means. Hang in there, man. Thank you for the time. Appreciate it. Hey, thank you. I appreciate you.

I appreciate you for real. You're a real one, everyone. No problem. No problem. Thanks for coming on, Brian. Safe Travels home. Yes, sir. Thank you very much.

There he is. Brian Battle, kind enough to join us. And I'm sure it's been a tough time. he is paying the consequence, no doubt, didn't make the weight against Randy Brown. That fight was at 170, this time 185, he moves up and weighs in at 190. It reminds me a lot of the Anthony Johnson situation

in which he was a 170-pounder, was having trouble, moved up to, I believe it was 85, if you recall, and then missed weight there and then had to move up again. Sometimes when you get that extra leeway, it ends up being sort of a trick. that can be played on your mind. So I can imagine he's getting a lot of heat right now. And I think the UFC,

maybe I'm crazy, but if they didn't announce it by now or at least make that decision, I think it means he'll stick around. And remember, it was just, it was less than a year ago. He gets on the microphone in Paris and he cuts that incredible promo

against Kevin Jusset, my promo of the year, and it wasn't just because it was a great promo, but like it was a great fight, a great performance and he was on a role and here we are a year later he has the fight against Brown which he wins but wins controversially it was a close fight

misses way prior to it and then this fight which he misses weight prior to and the fight doesn't come to fruition. You have to think though also By the way looking at you right now it doesn't look like you got a haircut earlier. Oh really? Well now it does yes yes

but like right now it's perfect if Nerselton had taken the fight battle fights and wins people probably like certainly people would next time Brian battle fights go oh you know he's got to make weight but like it's one of those things that you don't imagine

would have gotten much attention beyond that the fact that the fight didn't happen that now draws so much attention to it and then you do start thinking like what does the UFC think of this but he's he's a guy who draws attention he's a good talker on the mic he's a good fighter like I don't know it would feel

wrong in this situation for that to happen but he's got to be professional he has to make weight next time out. And as you said, we've seen it before where you get that extra leeway, you go, ah, I thought this was going to be easy, and then the weight cut doesn't go exactly the way you thought. 100%. Okay, let's talk about a few other things before we call it a day, because it has been a very busy weekend. I wanted to talk about very quickly, Dana White was asked by Mike Bond of M.M.A. Junkie about that report that we talked about

on the show and I think in doing so magnified it about this report from LV SportsBiz Daily LVsportsbiz.com in which it was reported that the UFC was going to expand the apex, 10,000, this and that. And Dana White shot it down with great, you know, passion and fervor

and quite frankly, I feel like I'm to blame. I did not report it. I was just talking about it. We sourced them. But, you know, as we're doing the show and I'm taking tweets from here and there and I'm taking stories from here and there. I have to be better. I have to do a better job

of not just taking things and regurgitating them just because, quite frankly, I've never heard of this website and I'm not trying to put it down, but it's not like the Las Vegas review journal. And so I feel like I have to be better. Saying it on this show

obviously isn't the same as like, you know, me going out and reporting it because I did cite them, but yeah, didn't like that, have to be better and apologize for leading anyone astray. The bad news truly is that they're not. Well, he didn't say they're not going to expand it. He just said they're not going to expand it to a 10,000, 15,000 seats. Which, I mean, if we're

being honest, how could that even be possible other than just building a whole new venue? I mean, you guys were there. You can't, like, even if you're expanding it double, it still wouldn't fit 10,000 people. I believe I saw something that they amended the report and now it says like a thousand. Now it's a thousand, yeah. A thousand seems to be. By the way, a thousand's not the worst number. What is it now? Six? No, I know.

52. Fifty-two. A thousand is fine. You can make a thousand look really good on TV. You know what I mean? There's no world where 10,000's fitting in there. Right. No world.

What about John Jones? John Jones active on Twitter again. He did post this in response to Dana White saying the odds of him fighting on that. Dana was some digs there, right, to John recently? The odds of Dana fighting. Dana said the odds of John fighting on the White House card were about a billion to one. John responds, despite the odds. I'm still training and optimistic about the possibility of being part of the White House event.

At the end of the day, Dana is the boss, and it's his call whether I compete that night or not. I do know. Dana was really excited about the fight, and the door hasn't been completely closed. When he says, the fight, by the way, is he referring to Tom? That's all a guy like me really needs. And does he want that 30 million deal? It sounds like another awesome goal to be inspired by some. Sometimes in life we're not going to reach everything we set out to do, and that's okay.

But I like my chances. After all, one in a billion is exactly what it took to end up as John Bones-Jones in the first place. What a freaking tweet that is. Yeah. Not a bad line at the end, that. Yeah, no, that is a good line. I'm kind of with him, too, anyway. Like, you know, Dina White with the percentages hasn't always been reliable, right?

We were supposed to get John and Tom 100, 1 million, 1,000, 1 billion gazillion percent. So maybe he's off on his percentages again. and John's actually likely to fight on that card. Yeah, it seems like Dana's pretty hell-bent on him not fighting, but again, this is 11 months from now, so much can change. You know, it's crazy? If they get there and they don't have another headliner, I guarantee that billion percent becomes zero percent,

and John Jones gets a call. Or if they get there and John Jones is still serious coming to Dana, like, please put me on this card. Yeah. So many percentages. I don't trust the billion percentage. It's a numbers game. As PT said on Saturday, he also said it was 100% going to happen at the beginning of the year.

I just said that. Yeah, I don't know because I was just reading this other thing. Is this real or not? I don't know. Is this real? The other, well, you guys posted two things in the slide. Oh, shit. There's a subsequent one right under from Shaheen.

Is that a real thing or not? I don't know. I did not see that one myself. Well, I was fixated on that. Yeah. Oh, okay. Is this real? I mean...

No, I don't know if this is real or not. Okay. All right. Well, we shouldn't, as I just was. saying that we should be a little more careful. Apparently that was being tweeted around. That was from the M.A. Alien. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is.

But is that, I don't know what that is. I don't know. I did not see it. Okay, we need to be better. I do as well. In any event, a lot of people were going crazy over the fact that I said on the impulsive podcast that that was the 30 million. Hadn't I said that like a million times on this show? One million. Many times.

Yes, yes, yes. I don't know why everyone was going crazy over that. even the great Carl Anthony Towns who was in our office last week mentioned it to me so I guess it made the rounds maybe that's the reach of the impulsive podcast coming into play

but anyway I think this is much ado about nothing so much could change heck I mean Tom could lose Tom could lose you know like so much could change between now and next year by the way did you guys see the Tom Aspinall

neckt hat that's been making the rounds sure did I've confirmed it's real oh yeah looking good Looks fantastic. And his reaction to UFC 319, he talked about it. Could you imagine? Got more to go still.

Did you imagine? Yes, but it's tough. Is that next? Should I let Paolo give me a tattoo next time? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is the goal with the hair now? Are we just going to go down to this, start fresh? Me?

Keep it through Wednesday. We're going to let my barber, Jesse, shout out Jesse from level up cuts in Massapequa. When's that appointment? Wednesday. So what do we do? We're keeping it into Wednesday. We're going to let it fucking rock until Wednesday. We're going to be breaking down U.C. Shanghai, and he's going to be chopped up.

Have you sent a picture to the family? My wife does not answer her text messages. Okay, just in general. She's just a general. She just hearted the text. She doesn't. So I did not even bother to send her something because she would not see it for the next six hours. Like, I will be home before she would have texted.

Wow, wow. And you're a great texter. I'm a speedy textor. She is the exact opposite. Would you say on the team I'm number one texter? Yeah, I'm the quickest. You can proudly hold that title. No, I just like to get back to people.

No, no, no, I respect it. I respect the hell out of it. You're so good at it that when you start to slow down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's concerning. Sure, sure. Like you did it the other, you sent me a yo, and I tried to call you because I was like, why haven't you responded with what comes after the yo?

Like, this must be safe. You know what, I actually apologize for that. I don't like when people just write yo and then don't follow up. I did that. I did that. Yeah, I called. like I had to stop playing the record I had because I was like this is probably very serious

this guy playing the record why do you have to mention that part it's a hipster there yeah yeah we get it also why he had some big like inconvenience yeah it stopped on the record that was like what does you guys say I had to take the little thing you on

the podcast is all in Spanish I was in the middle of making my paintings I had to unhook my vinyl my typewriter like clicked to the left and I was like oh shit you got to find out what you're real means you can't read um

I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Frank. Just don't let it happen again. No, no, no. But everything sounded great back there. Thank you. I know that was a bit of a, the whole team, putting that all together with the cameras and the IEP. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Shout out to Andy, heavy lifting on all of this getting set up. Shout out. Can we talk about the roving cam? We've utilized that twice in the last three days. Oh, right, yes, yes. The roving camp, what do you mean? Like that IBZ? No, no, the Zoom.

Connor was on the Zoom. No, I know. Cam that was following live. Oh, the sig, but also that followed Kostin and... Oh, that, yes, yes. The Roving Kahn. But I love that shot. I don't know, don't go with his own shit.

Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It was the drone shot, like in WWE. Exactly. Dron shot like on Saturday. Broadcast drone shot. That one of the broadcast was cool. Went through the double doors. They love that.

Shout out to the Yahoo engineering team as well. They deserve. Yes. Oh, yeah, big shout out. That drone shot is WVE to a team. Just wanted to mention a couple other things. By the way, this great tweet here from my friend Don Barbone mentioning that there's now six new UFC champions in 2025.

How about that? That's kind of crazy, right? How about that, man? Like, we talked about this at some point, right? A while ago we did an over-under on how many there'd be. And I think we were all in this range. Yeah, we did that, we did that, yeah. What was it?

I think we did we do like an over-under? type of thing? Yeah. We did, yeah. The prediction show? Yeah. No, no, it was after that. Like an exacta.

How many more could there be, potentially, there could be, well, the next title fight is October 4th, there's two. JDM, Islam. Would Pereira count? No, no, but like if Pereira wins, does that eliminate? Another end new? Yeah, yes, that counts. So is that two new?

He started the year as champion. So then it goes back. Oh, yes. No, yes, that would revert it. You're right. Okay. So Marab Corey Tom and Cyril

JDM Islam Although Islam would then be a new champion No but that's different weight class So that one still does count And then December maybe Volk Who is a new champ From the beginning of the year

Against Lauren Murphy In case you missed it by the way Here's Alex Volcanowski Talking about Lorone Murphy On his YouTube channel He spoke about it in the vlog that he had He had a vlog

where he, I think, was watching with Andrew Schultz, who's in Sydney, and they were reacting, and he was just like, yeah, love it. It makes sense. All the sense in the world. Here he is. So, Leroy Murphy, congratulations. Well done. Again, happy to see someone that I believe deserves it anyway. And to get a big finish like that, I think you've made it pretty clear. So, well done. See you soon. A lot of people are going to be like, oh, Mozzaa should be there. I tried. I'm going to tell he's right now. I try to make that happen. I thought he deserves it. He did deserve it. He had this fight and then I'm like, all right, you know, he's going to have to do this fight and then he definitely gets it. And then he pulled out and you know what the UFC's like with things like that.

You know, maybe they try to push it back because they push the date further and he still didn't do it. Maybe it was a serious injury. I'm not sure. I don't know what it is. Maybe that's why he can't fight as well. I don't know. but, you know, it doesn't look like it's going to be a, you know, a movza. But, I mean, I've tried with all of them, but now it looks like it's a Leroy Murphy. It makes a lot of sense. So let's do Lerone Murphy December. Sounds good.

Love it. Love it. How can you not love Vogue and love that fight? By the way, tomorrow on the program, we're going to be joined by Lerone Murphy. So looking forward to that. Tomorrow is going to be a really interesting day. I could tell you who will be on the program. Lorone Murphy going to be joining us.

Carlos Alberg going to be joining us prior to his big fight in September against Dominic Reyes. We're going to have a face-off virtually between Mike Perry and Jeremy Stevens who will be fighting on October 4th at the Prudential Center on the BKFC

card. By the way, in case you were wondering, BKFC going head to head with the UFC that night, October 4th, I'm told that the main card will end at around 10 o'clock as to not go head to head with the pay-per-view that's headline by Michael Madon Kalaya versus Alex Perra 2, Marab versus Corey Sanhagen. And so that is a very smart move from a ticket selling standpoint and also from a

viewership standpoint. Also being told that a familiar face is going to be added to that card. Someone who is synonymous, there I say, with the state of New Jersey who, yeah, fights like he's got iron fists. Iron. Do you get it? Anyone get it? Oh, yeah, there it is.

Going to be added to that card, probably in the next couple of days or so against another former UFC veteran. I'll let them announce that. And, oh, by the way, in addition to all of that, joining us in studio tomorrow, the one-and-only Dylan Dennis. Yes. Whoa, way to bury the lead, bro. Well, I was building up to it. Oh, in studio, too. In studio, Danes?

Back in studio. He's got to get to where? Manchester soon? Manchester, August 30th. Ring of Thrones. Yes, that's right. 12 days from now. We were talking about our predictions

as far as champs, new champs in 2025, this according to on-air Jordan. Rick predicted four. He's out of the running. Well, no, somebody regains their title and then another person. Oh, yeah, all right. PT6.

So he's very much in the running. Connor 7. What are we at right now? Five, six, six. I mean, chances are if someone's going to lose. Halwani 5, which you might say at first glance, no good. But as we just said, if Pereira wins and everyone else retains, we're at 5. That's right.

Right? So there you have it. There you have it. There you have it. Shout out to Moses Atama. I don't know if you guys saw earlier Saturday afternoon, an incredible win over Dillion White. The fight lasted one minute and 59 seconds in the first round. That's the 20-year-old Moses Atama, who was a big.

favorite, no doubt going into the fight, but this was a big step. And afterwards, people saying, is it going to be, oh, I don't know, Joseph Parker, is it going to be Cabayel next? Is it going to be Martin Bacoli next? Is it going to be Jolie next? Is it going to be Anthony Joshua next? Tyson Fury, he shouted him out. Or is it going to be Alexander Usik? That would be insane. Tomorrow, on the Ariel and Addi program, we'll talk to his head trainer, Ben Davison about his options and about the incredible win over Dillion White on Saturday. That was just, I mean, the guy is unbelievable. 20, get on the bandwagon right now because he's going to be fighting for a very long time

and he's going to be winning like that for a very long time. And it looks like he's leaning out. He's getting stronger and he just absolutely blitzed Dillion White and White had no answer for him. So shout out to the big man, Moses Atama. Shout out to Nick Ball with a big win over Sam Goodman as well, keeping the UK's streak alive. I believe it has been 37 years

since there was no UK-born title holder in Boxer and he was the last one left. And had he lost a goodman, that streak would have been broken. They are in good hands, at least for now. So shout out to the wrecking ball, Nick Ball. By the way, also want to give a big shout out to Liz Karmouche, who won the PFL Women's Flyweight Tournament,

thus punching her ticket to fight Dakota Dacheva. This is great stuff not only for the PFL because I think Karmouche versus Dakota was the biggest fight that they could make. She had to obviously win, but also for her to get a third round TKO win at her age, after everything she's been through, she was the first woman to ever step foot

inside the UFC Octagon prior to her fight against Ronda Rousey in 2013. This is 12 years later, 12 plus years later, to still be doing this against tough opposition at 125 pounds so that's one weight class lower very very impressive stuff shout out to the OG Liz Karmus

shout out to Alfie Davis as well Yeah What a huge upset What was it what was the line for that one? I think he minus 1,200 Yeah Oh my crap Gatsi was a 12 to 1 favorite

Does he get removed From the fighters only No no he's still there It's a different time period I'd already put my vote in for Gatsi Golly I mean shocking stuff But again, I think a UK guy winning this is good for the brand, right?

It's always just good for PFL to have some of these new names that you now can follow and care about. So, yes, I think it ultimately will be good long term. Now you've also got a fight that you could run back at some point with them. You talked about Karmouche, man. Her post-UFC run has been insane. I didn't expect a second career out of her like this, but she's been absolutely incredible. and yeah, Alfie Davis came. No one saw this coming, right?

I just thought, like, okay, we're heading into the twilight, and she looks as good as ever, and since you have, like, her loss to Shevchenko and then moving to Belator and now into PFL, she's just been unstoppable. She has that one loss to Tila Santos, but everything else has been incredible. Karmouchevah when she's out there?

Yes, 100%. 1,000%. That's got to be the fight. 100%. Gatsi plus 705, according to Tapology. He was plus 130, going into the premise fight plus 150

This is Alfie? What did I say? You said, Godfrey. Oh, sorry, my bad, my bad. No, Alfie Davis plus 705, plus 130, plus 150. There you go. Might be your most profitable fighter

of the year. Hell yeah. We might hear his name at the end of the year. Shout to Tapology with their new little punchy thing there. Yeah, I used the little top left

that hit it. One's the odds. Oh, I use it all the time. Couldn't have been easier. It's incredible. Location, odds. Late, I used that for Brian Battle

information. Oh, yes, yes, me too. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Good stuff. Hey, shout out to uncrown.com and another incredible weekend, incredible coverage from boxing to MMA to pro wrestling. And they did just post their brand new pound-for-pound rankings. That's for men and women. Let's see what kind of activity we have here. Ilya Teporea, number one, Isamachev, number two, Marab, three, Pantosha, four. there's Hamzad at 5 Tommy Aspinall at 6 Magamette 7 Alex Volk at 8 Jack Della at 9

Alex Pereira at 10 Any glaring omissions? No, I'm just happy the rest of you caught up with having Hamzad in the top 5 I've been there for a long time Welcome DDP falling all the way out How can he be in your top 5

Is your breakout fighter of the year That doesn't really... Because he's going to... Now that he's won the title, it's time He'll be back in October get another one under the belt. I mean, the sky's the limit for this Homsat guy. Who's he fighting in October?

Yeah, nobody. He's not going to be on that card. I was going to say. I'd be very surprised if they haven't fought before the Paramount deal starts. Also, does it make sense? You have Tom on that card. Like, what would you put? Homs out on CBS, first show, January?

Antsville CBS without Homsat. I kind of feel like you... There's actually no overlap. Ilya versus Armin. What do you mean? I like that. that for CBS. Oh, that's the first one.

You know what? Ilya versus Patty is probably going to be the one. I was going to say, Armin hasn't had great luck in January. Oh, no, just once.

Come on. I mean. When is Armin fighting? I don't know. But he looked good with that belt. In the corner as well.

Yeah, in the corner too. The hair is always just so perfectly. The hair is great. I mean, not as good as mine, but it's great.

Like, it's just like quaffed. Every single time. Would he let Paulo Costa cut his hair? Absolutely. Absolutely not. But that would be a mistake.

Like, Paulo's fantastic. How piss would you have been if Paulo cut your beard? Three out of ten? Okay. Also, you can always tell, like, God love him, he's such a nice guy. He is a sweetheart. You can always tell he doesn't want to, like, push it too far. I think so.

I think he actually felt bad. He always feels a little bit bad, but this is what he's here for. Actually, maybe not. You don't think he felt like? Because he just left you like this. I know. Like, man. Well, once we go to him enough, once Ariel's like, nah, do whatever you want, he kind of,

The joke is like, you know, you let the lawnmower over it. It actually looks like you, you got run over by a lawnmower. Thank you. Waves, waves, surfers. Yeah, it was, as he said, you know, the waves of Brazil. He's doing a surfer look. I like it. I'm happy with it.

Just have to say, women's rankings out as well. Jean-Wea Lee, Valentina Shavchenko, Kayla Harrison, Chris Cyborg, Dakota DeCeva, and Talia Silva. Virina Jean-Gi-Roba, always gets a shout-out on the show. Larissa Pachecoe, Sika Izawa. Mano furoral. Pretty good. Yeah. Unchanged.

Unchanged? Unchrowned. No notes. All right. It's time to go, guys. It's been a great day. It's been a very, very memorable. You like my new hat?

Banger. Yeah, I might need that for the train ride later. It fitted? What do you think? It looks like, yeah. Snapback. Oh, snapback. Oh, fuck.

I know you waited there for a second. What do we got, Frankie? What do we got? The L silent. Can you get Hamsat on? Or does he not come on? No, Chamsa comes on.

I was talking to his manager, but he's not the easiest guy to get on in. Also, by the way, um, he was traveling today. So let's see. What else? Zach Mitchell.

Hey, Micah. Unk, I'm proud to say I drafted Josh Allen in my fantasy league. Feels like I'm the uncrowned champ. Hell yeah. Don't be fooled by all this 38-0-0 BS. We're just fine.

I mean, just look at Forrest. Horrendous preseason. Scored one goal in, I think, four or five matches, and look how they looked on Sunday at the city ground. I'm so excited about Forrest. I'm so excited about all their new signings. Holy smokes every day. Mori Hutchinson, James McAtee.

Are they going to sign Rico Lewis? I don't know. This new Frenchman that they announced today, Arnault. So I'm very, very excited about them. And the bills will be just fine. Just fine. I've been playing with the bills on Madden. We got Madden.

college football 26 and now my kids love football like that's what that's the gateway that's how you become a fan of anything you just get the video game and um yeah we were playing like a snow game bill's chiefs it was amazing great vibes what else frankie jaconator i've been seeing some rumors that lorenza for tita is considering placing an offer her lorenzo to buy tna wrestling have you heard anything similar there's some people throwing it my way haven't I'd be long if I said I truly digged would be really interesting. I mean, I see all these reports about, you know, is WW going to help TN8 get a TV deal? And, you know, they don't want to own it.

But Lorenzo, a friend of the family. Does Anthem want to sell it? It's really fast. I'm very curious about two things right now. We know where the UFC has gone, right? So let's just say three things. I think Zufo boxing will go to Paramount makes all the sense in the world. I'm curious about where

Top Rank is going I'm very curious about where TNA is going it doesn't make a lot of sense for a Contender Series not to go to Paramount they just own the whole thing but we'll add that as like

a distant third but the top two right now as far as rights fees in the U.S. are concerned top rank TNA really curious to see how those play out why do you think this top rank one is taking so long not a lot of buyers

but then pick right like isn't it well i i don't think there's a lot of options and i and i think the options are a major step down from what they were getting from ESPN like they were getting close to a hundred million wasn't a hundred but it was somewhere close i i don't think people think they're worth that and so i think they have to uh to tread lightly i mean look at boxer over in the uk they had a lot of trouble as well i would assume that just reading the tea leaves but at the same time. You have to, like, the way to then get that up is not to just continue to let the product be dormant.

You have to sign somewhere. Your last show was end of July, Zander Zayas, right? So it's not been forever, but we're starting to see some of their names get dispersed and Bealey on the... Yeah, that's not good. The Netflix card, Brian Norman. But, yeah. The price is not going up while this happens, is my point.

Lock in whatever the best offer is. Get your fighters on. make it a short-term deal and then try to renegotiate after that. Yeah, hopefully we get an answer soon. And then the TNA thing is super interesting. Are they going to go 52 weeks? Are they going to go live every week?

What kind of network? But yeah, it's such a fascinating time in the wrestling business. WWE bought AAA. They had their triple mania card on Saturday night. AAA is a historic Lucha Libre organization. TNA has their, excuse me, AWW has their business with CMLL, which is their biggest competition,

AAA's competition. So much activity, so much jockeying for position. Fascinating time. Just for the record, Frank asked us how to pronounce the Furtida part of that and then botched the Lorenzo.

Wait, did it? Lorenzo Tortilla. What else, Frank? What else? Antivon says, get those kids a candy bar each. Antivon. Oh, no.

Oh, shit. Frank is actually never going to beat the cannot read allegations. Oh, no. Rick joked earlier, but he really, like, every show he can't read. Oh, my God. That was a joke, right, Frank? I think it was.

I keep suggesting books to Frank, and he just, like, conspicuously, he's like, no, I haven't gotten around to it, man. I don't think he can read. Do you want me to read the rest? Only if you want to. No, no. But Antivon is great. You don't do the voice as well, though, Ariel.

That's why Frank is the best. What else, Frank? What else? Uh, congrats on the LOD animal cut, Rick. What a rush. That's actually laud. No, don't, don't, don't gaslight him. Uh, that's from Lazy Bed Amendment. We do have to give the people a shout out.

He paid a very hard-earned $1.99 for that. Anyway, congrats. Uh, what else? What else? Cloudy Slawn. Um, someone throw a Horsby-Mazvedal knee at Homsup. Oh, um, all right. Cool.

I think Paulo wants to do that Yes, he sure does. He showed us the exact. By the way, shout out to Paulo for moving the mic, being aware of the scene. Oh, he was all over it. He was killing it. I thought he was all over it, 100%. What else, Frankie? And lastly, just woke up from that main event. What I miss?

Wait, you said lastly? That's the last one. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I couldn't help but notice another one was... So I can't read and I can't hear when a producer says this is the last one, Frank? No, there wasn't another one. Oh, okay. Sorry. I didn't even notice the name. I had it. Now I closed it. It was someone asking about if the watch parties could be on Spotify. But I kind of feel like after the fact, there's not much of a demand, right? I just saw the name. No, that's a horrible. No need. I mean, what was the name? I don't even know. Cam Cam, 63. If that person wants that? Just listen on YouTube. Can you just turn on YouTube and not watch the video? I get in. No need for it. Podcast of a watch party is. enough no mas but thank you to everybody who watched that was a very fun watch party thank you to everyone thank you to i mean the incredible numbers um and i do want to mention before we say goodbye lastly a bit of a different week rick mentioned the wednesday haircut that reminded me a h show today obviously it's over a h show tomorrow de zone show after that as per usual and then you won't be hearing from me for uh two weeks uh the next time

I'll be back in your life, barring any breaking news, September 2nd, the Tuesday after Labor Day, there'll be boys in the back on Wednesday, there'll be the crack on Thursday, and then for the first time since we came over here, almost exactly one year after we announced this whole shebang, taking a break, going dark, so no extra stuff. Again, barring any major breaking news, no extra stuff planned. We've done that over the last, you know, few months where we've sprinkled in some things, but distance, as they say, I do believe, makes the heart grow fonder. And, you know, we all need a bit of a reset, if you will. It's been a great, great summer, a fantastic summer for not only the channel, but on crown.com and everything else that we're

doing, the pod feed as well. But come Thursday, we'll take the break and then we'll come back on the Tuesday after Labor Day. For those that don't know, Labor Day is usually the first Monday in September. That's September 1st. September 2nd. back to school here in the Northeast, and we come back to the show. So I wanted to mention that. So tomorrow, I'll be back with that lineup, then the zone show, then I pass the baton to the boys in the back, and then Pizzi on Thursday with the crack, and then we say, au revoir, just for, you know, a little less than two weeks by the time of both things back. All right, let us say goodbye. of love is in...

So we're just keeping it, right, Rick? We're not going to clean it up. We're not going to touch it. Clean it. It's perfect. What am I supposed to do to this thing? That shower is going to be an incredible experience because it's going to be like, you know,

like when you have very short hair, like you feel the water. I'm more used to the long hair these days. I mean, look, it is what it is. You know what I'm going to feel? I'm going to feel the waves of the ocean. Shout out to my guy, Pala. What a guy. What a legend.

I still can't believe that he does Shabbat. I mean, that was the revelation of the day. And I was trying to get him with some of the... Oh, no, he knew. He knew everything. Other than Bar Mitzvah being 10? He was on point. Someone said...

I believe it was Jedi who said this. You let him cut your hair so it's only right that he lets you do the circumcision. I do not want that pressure. I'll tell you what. I'm going to pass on that one. Breaking. Costa out of title fight against Hamza at Shemaya.

It's got to be a halby that does the... A habit. Shout out to the habyes out there. I mean, we were talking about Tom Aspinall's neck tattoo. I can't even imagine. I can't even imagine. At this age, mid-30s, doing something like this? Oh, my God.

Oh, my dear. Much respect. What a day. Thank you very much to Palo Costa and Tamara for coming in. We appreciate them very much. Thanks to my family as well. Thank you to Francis and Ganu. Thank you, Michael Venom Page.

Thank you, Tim Elliott. Thank you, Brian Battle. Tomorrow will be fantastic. For now, thanks to them, thanks to you. Back on Tuesday, same time. This does it be somebody here.