The Ariel Helwani Show - Full UFC 312 breakdown, Khamzat Chimaev looming, Jake Paul vs. Canelo? Jon Jones announcement reaction | The Boys in the Back

Episode Date: February 6, 2025

The Boys in the Back preview UFC 312, starting with the main event matchup that pits champion Dricus du Plessis against challenger Sean Strickland (01:13), while also addressing Khamzat Chimaev's loom...ing presence (23:27).Then, it's on to the co-main event between champion Zhang Weili and Tatiana Suarez (36:51), before debuting a brand new Fight Feasts focused on Australian cuisine (47:42).Denis Shkuratov of Submission Radio gives The Boys insights from fight week, including the potential arrival of Chimaev in Sydney (01:05:18).Next, they react to news that Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford is already off after being recently reported for September (01:34:06), Jake Paul's role in the shakeup (01:42:16), and Jon Jones' teased announcement (01:48:01).Mysterious Frank joins to make picks (01:53:01), unveil P4P mustache rankings (01:58:54), and answer your questions (02:25:11).

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Starting point is 00:00:00 but but but but boys in the back but but but boys boys boys boys boys what is good we are back another episode of boys in the back thursday february 6th my favorite month of the year i absolutely love february if you know me you know i love february i am your host connor burks one half of the dynamic duo the The best in the game. My man, Eric Jackman, sitting opposite of me. How we doing, brother? It's a beautiful day. I'm happy.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Is it? Actually, it's like a slushy, disgusting shit show outside. You're right. Outside, it is a nasty day. In here, it's beautiful. The lights are bright. The lights are warm. I mean, it feels like we're in Australia almost. I mean, it's just the sun.
Starting point is 00:00:42 Down under. Might as well be in Sydney at this point. I got my Socceroos jersey on to support. We're just going to have to rock the laptop a little bit lower so you guys can see. Soccer jerseys are tough, man. I went XL for one and it was like way too tight. I go double X for this and now it's like a tent on me. Same brand?
Starting point is 00:00:58 Are they both Nike? No. See, that's the thing. That's the tricky part. Tough to dial in. We did mention down under. That's where the UFC card takes tricky part Tough to dial in We did mention Down Under That's where the UFC card takes place this weekend UFC 312
Starting point is 00:01:08 We've talked about it, we've touched on it I've seen a lot of people say some things about this card Your excitement for this card And just before you answer Two title fights DDP, Sean Strickland rematch Zhang Weili, Tatiana Suarez finally getting her chance at a belt But 12 of the 26 fighters on the card
Starting point is 00:01:27 have 10 or less professional bouts. 19 of 26 fighters on the card have 15 or less professional bouts. The only ranked fighters on the card are the four and the two championship bouts. And there are six debuting fighters on a pay-per-view card. This is good data
Starting point is 00:01:48 for me to know before I give my grade. Five out of ten. Yeah. Five out of ten for a pay-per-view card or just a UFC card period? Just a UFC card period.
Starting point is 00:01:56 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this one is, it's a bit of a tougher sell to the casual fans. The number one thing that I'm most excited about is knowing who's going to face Hamzat Shumayev.
Starting point is 00:02:08 That's literally the thing I'm most excited about. Despite the man holding the belt, DDP, fighting, trying to defend his belt, this is all just a sweepstakes to fight Hamzat Shumayev. In my mind, yes,
Starting point is 00:02:19 because I think Hamzat's the best middleweight on the planet. And so that is where my head is at. I would be lying if i said i'm not at least a little bit compelled by the main event i think there's something interesting to talk about in it but ultimately it does almost feel like there's one more step beyond that and and i feel like a lot of people feel like this is the sweepstakes for hamzat let's get into the hamzat aspect in just a second, but let's set the table on what it is.
Starting point is 00:02:46 I mean, it's Strigus Duplessis, rematch against Sean Strickland. We've seen both the guys since. Last time they fought at 297, January of last year in Canada. We've seen, obviously, DDP fight Israel Adesanya, get a finish win, retain his championship belt. Sean Strickland against Paolo Costa gets the win there. Now we get the rematch here. I mean, very close fight. I went back and watched it this week 48-47 there was the head butt Sean Strickland outlands him but DDP's getting takedowns like it was it was a very very close
Starting point is 00:03:15 fight uh and I'm excited for this weekend because I don't think it's going to go that way I don't know how it's going to be different but I don't I don't think we're just going to get another 48-47 on two, 48-47 the other way on one, split decision, very close fight. I think it's going to be a different outcome this time around. Okay. It's interesting you say that because then to me, and you tell me if I'm correct, that would mean I think you think DDP is going to win easier. I do personally, just because of the chaos factor of Dreek is dupless. He 20 of his 22 wins are by finish everyone. I mean, we, we saw Israel Adesanya and Robert Whitaker talking and they're just like, he's the best worst fighter there ever is. Everyone's just like, I don't understand his style. I don't get the way he fights there until it's talked about it. Uh,
Starting point is 00:03:59 like everyone who fights him is just like, yeah, I just don't get it. He just has this chaotic nature. He's giant in there. He is incredibly strong, and he has finishing capabilities on the feet and on the mat. Like, I just think, I think there will be more of a chaos factor to this one, especially after spending 25 minutes
Starting point is 00:04:14 in the octagon with each other just a year ago. That all makes sense to me. I arrived at that conclusion because Sean Strickland fights the exact same way every single time. So if you're predicting something different, it means it's on the DDP side because Sean Strickland is going to go out there and do the exact same thing. He's going to try and push the pace. He's going to throw jabs. He's going to throw teeps and he's going to be in DDP's face trying to pressure him
Starting point is 00:04:36 and DDP is going to be pushing right back and doing the wild chaotic stuff that he does. And if there's going to be any way that this fight goes differently, it's because I think DDP has learned some lessons from the first one and tries to do something different. The gift and the curse of Sean Strickland, his greatest attribute and the thing that goes against him the most is the fact that he fights exactly the same way every time.
Starting point is 00:04:58 And so if he steps in there, you know that you're going to have a fight on your hands because he's going to be doing those things. He's going to be pressing forward. He's going to be jabbing you in the face. He's going to be trying to keep you, keep you at the range that he likes it. Uh, but also it's pretty predictable, right? It is exactly the style. I would expect that DDP is expecting exactly the same style out of, out of Sean Strickland that he saw last time. And so I think I kind of feel the same way. I feel like this is Drickus' fight to lose and if he can take
Starting point is 00:05:26 the lessons that he learned in the first fight, the areas that he was more successful and the areas that he didn't have much success and kind of be more efficient with his movements and be more efficient with his strategy, I feel like he's got the advantage. Yeah, and something else I wanted to note, I went back
Starting point is 00:05:41 just through the history of championship rematches. Just kind of like, you went back just through the history of championship rematches. Just kind of like, you know, thinking about the fact that like, will it just be the same result? And obviously there's been ones that have ended very similarly. Like Max Holloway, Jose Aldo, almost to a second ended the exact same way. Holloway-Volk, three decisions there. Nunez-Shevchenko, that one, both in a decision. But man, I went back through it.
Starting point is 00:06:04 There have been a lot that ended differently the second, third, or fourth time around. decisions there uh nunia shivchenko that one both in a decision but man i went back through it there have been a lot that that ended differently the second third or fourth time around like islam fights volk to a decision yeah at 284 ko didn't rematch usman mazvidal uh 251 wins by decision 261 ko's him yep uh i mean moreno figgy first fight draw decision second fight moreno subs and third fight figgy decision fourth fight moreno ko's them uh all four having different outcomes uh i mean cormier stipe cormier ko stipe ko uh stipe decision i mean the list goes goes on and on jones gustafson decision than ko i'm just saying like there have been so many championship rematches throughout the history of the ufc and like there have been a ton of them that the result has been different.
Starting point is 00:06:47 Do you happen to have the number of times the person who won the first fight wins those ones? I wish I did. I wish I did. I mean, a lot of these that I'm listing are like Rose KOs. I mean, Rose is all of her championship rematches have ended differently. Subbed by Carla in the first, loses by decision in the second. KO'd by Andrade in the first, wins by decision in the second. KO'd Wei Li in the first, wins by decision in the second. There are so many times where just the outcome is different even when they're rematching in the championship bouts. I just
Starting point is 00:07:20 don't think, I just see a lot of people being like, yep, lock, this one's going decision, and just flip a coin on who wins. I think I'm with you on that. I don't think that it necessarily has to go to decision. Would I be shocked, though? No. No, of course. It's a Sean Strickland fight.
Starting point is 00:07:33 It's a Sean Strickland fight. Again, I keep pointing to this. I think we kind of know what he's going to do. Now, granted, it would be disrespectful to his coaches. It would be disrespectful to him as a fighter to say, like, it's exactly the same, right? I'm sure there are adjustments that he can make and things that he will learn. Coach Eric Nixick is brilliant. Like, there's no way that it's exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:07:52 But due to who Sean Strickland is and how he will have his most success, the style is mostly the same, right? There will be variations. There will be ways you can do things differently. Certainly, I think he will be prepared for Drikus Duplessis, but his main goal is to be on the gas pedal and popping the jab and doing the things that keep him busy and active and stifle what Drikus wants to do. Honestly, I also don't think he could be underrated.
Starting point is 00:08:15 I think DDP is really coming into his own as a champion. In the UFC, he's still only 31 years old. He looks huge this week. I don't know if it's just who he's taking pictures with. He's a big boy. The one he took with Bisping. And Bisping was like, I'm he looks huge this week. I don't know if it's just who he's taking picture with. He's a big boy. The one he took with Bisping. I'm just like, and Bisping was like, I'm 222 in this one. And like, he looks just like, he's just like so much bigger than him. He's been in the game less time. Like I know he's still got 22 or 24 professional fights,
Starting point is 00:08:37 whatever it is. He's been in the game for a while, but I mean, Sean Triglin has been in the UFC for a minute. I feel like he's really starting to come into his own, getting comfortable, getting comfortable as a champion. I mean, we heard him talking before the Adesanya fight when everyone was against him. He was like, I was more nervous for that one than I was for the stricton one when I took the belt. So I feel like he's starting to get these reps,
Starting point is 00:08:58 get this experience, and becoming more comfortable as a champion. Yeah, and if you look at the resume, he's building up quite the resume in a very short amount of time. Yeah, and if you look at the resume, he's building up quite the resume in a very short amount of time. Yeah, yeah. The names on that list are the best names
Starting point is 00:09:11 of this generation. That's right. Strickland, Whitaker, Till. Now he's trying to get Strickland again. These champions that have reigned before him, he's got their names
Starting point is 00:09:19 on his resume, and now he's getting another crack at Strickland. All right, so we talk about Strickland fights similarly in most of his fights. How does he change the game plan and win this time? Put the stamp on it and make sure that,
Starting point is 00:09:31 because I mean, I know it's not a cumulative score. I understand it is round by round and everything like that. But if you look at the final stats from the fight, he was outstriking him in most of the rounds and DDP had to rely on the takedowns to score the rounds for him. How does he make sure? Does he just outland him by that much more this time? Does he stuff the takedowns?
Starting point is 00:09:52 My amateur analysis is he just has to be busier. He has to be busier. He has to be more Sean Strickland. He has to do more of the jabs, more of the teeps, keep DDP from mounting any offense with his own offense. That's my amateur take. If he gets into a fight where they're trading, I mean, unless you have a different assessment, the first fight was them just shorten the amount of times that DDP is going to be able to get his own offense and mount his offense, he's going to win because he's going to always be able to put out a higher volume, a higher output than most people. His cardio is always there.
Starting point is 00:10:36 You don't have to worry about the power of Sean Strickland necessarily, right? We saw the moment where he rocked Israel Adesanya. But outside of that, most of the time, you're more worried about the volume and more worried about the activity of Sean Strick you, right? If you're constantly doing that, there's going to be more openings just naturally because you're giving more openings as opposed to being defensive. Strickland's a really good defensive fighter, right? When he wants to be like,
Starting point is 00:11:12 he's not somebody who's getting bombed on all the time. He really like covers well and is able to parry attacks. But I really feel like offense is the key to it because if he lets DDP have those moments, I think DDP is much more likely to get a finish, really feel like offense is the key to it because if he lets ddp have those moments i think ddp is much more likely to get a finish a much stronger uh fighter when when they're gonna have moments where they clinch up or in a grappling situation um a better wrestler like there's really just opportunities i think for ddp to to assert himself if strickland leaves the openings but
Starting point is 00:11:41 if he leaves no openings there really is a path to victory for Sean Strickland. Well, it's actually interesting you say that. Just looking at the statistics, I was just mentioning how Sean Strickland outlanded him 173 to 137 on significant strikes. And you said to be more Sean Strickland. He attempted, he threw 408 significant strikes in that fight.
Starting point is 00:11:59 And that's actually, from what I'm seeing, the second most he's ever thrown in a UFC fight. Only the Uriah Hall fight, he threw more. So it's just like- He has to throw even more. He has to break his own records of like, he has to throw 600, like 650 to keep DDP off of him and to put the stamp on it to win.
Starting point is 00:12:15 He's going to leave himself open. There's no doubt. Like it's going to create opportunities for DDP, but I don't see another way. I don't see another path. How do you stop what is essentially like a bull that has been released from the pen in DDP. How do you stop what is essentially like a bull that has been released from the pen and DDP from coming? Like what is the, what is the way other than like,
Starting point is 00:12:30 you can get out of the way, but now you've wasted 30 seconds getting out of the way of the bull. Right. And you're doing nothing in that time. You're just avoiding, you have to mount the offense. You have to be the one on the front foot the entire time. Now we saw it against Israel Adesanya, but Israel Adesanya is an easier fighter to do that against stylistically. I'm not saying like Izzy's an easier fight than DDP. I'm not calling into question the caliber of fighter, but stylistically, Israel is somebody who's going to be on the back way he's trying to stifle yours by being in your face. You just have, you have to increase the activity. I imagine that that's the best, best path to victory for most people against DDP. If you can be more aggressive than he is and stop him from being aggressive back at you, you're putting yourself in a good position. The problem is he's extremely aggressive and it's very hard to do. I think Strickland has the cardio and the skill set to do it, though.
Starting point is 00:13:25 I don't think he's out of his depths. I just, as you pointed out, he already is throwing 400 strikes. How do you even amplify that more? Well, I saw DDP in an interview this week. He was talking about, like someone was asking him essentially this question, just like, how do you react to someone that's just always in your face, that just stays on the gas the entire time, that's always putting out their own offense?
Starting point is 00:13:44 And DDP was just like, with your own offense, just make it into a car crash. This is a fight between two guys whose best weapon is movement forward, is putting that pressure on you. And it's different from like, let's say like Marab Davalashvili, right? Marab's putting pressure on you, but it's not what strikes. It's not with having to be effective. Like he's just like spamming. Marab Davalosvili is coming at you with takedowns, coming at you with punches. It doesn't matter if they land or not. Strickland's game is a lot more predicated
Starting point is 00:14:10 on actually landing those punches, right? When he's jabbing you in the face, it becomes a lot harder for you to reset and then try to throw bombs back at him. And he's been super successful with that style. But DDP is somebody who's not afraid to eat a jab and then try to walk forward off that movement. He has to just stick on it.
Starting point is 00:14:29 It's a fascinating matchup. And is where i said like i have to admit that i am interested in the fight itself even though i kind of advertised that sam's not sweepstakes is my number one i am fascinated with this fight i think there's kind of mixed opinion on whether that that first fight was a quote-unquote like good fight i enjoyed that fight i had no issues with that fight i thought it was quite compelling um I'm interested to see how this one shakes out, but I do feel like the room for improvement is much more on DDP's side because I think he will be able to be a little more diverse and maybe find a finish. And unless I'm mistaken, Sean Strickland has not, he's had a ton of UFC fights. He's never had a rematch and especially not after 25 minutes. Is that true? Wow. Unless I'm mistaken, just looking at his record, I could be overlooking someone, but I don't think he has,
Starting point is 00:15:06 and I don't think he has for a 25-minute affair. And so you hint at, like, his game plan is pretty well known at this point. Do you think the 25 minutes already being in there with Sean Strickland benefits DDP more than Sean Strickland already being in there for 25 minutes with DDP? Yeah, it's a good question. I would—the natural assumption would be it benefits Strickland
Starting point is 00:15:27 because... You get used to the chaotic style. Yeah, you see the chaos that DDP is bringing and also, again, not to harp on the point and not to be underestimating what adjustments you can make
Starting point is 00:15:39 as Sean Strickland. You kind of know what you get with Sean Strickland. If you've watched the tape on the Israel Adesanya fight or if you've watched the tape on any of the other fights, you go,
Starting point is 00:15:47 okay, I see what the path is here, but can you stop it is kind of the, the Sean Strickland question. Isn't like, what's he going to do? The Sean Strickland question is how the hell are you going to stop what he's able to do?
Starting point is 00:15:56 That's what I'm wondering. I'm wondering how it's going to look. I'm that's why I'm so fascinated by this fight. I want to know how it's going to look. I kind of the same question for DDP, which is the fun part. I can't tell you how it's going to be. But it's kind of the same question for DDP, which is the fun part. I can't tell you how it's going to be different.
Starting point is 00:16:07 Like you just mentioned earlier, you were like, in my amateur opinion, I am an amateur when it comes to this. I don't know how it's going to look different. I can't sit here
Starting point is 00:16:12 with Demetrius Johnson and tell his shit and be like, this is what they need to do differently. I just have this gut feeling that it is going to look different in some way, shape, or form.
Starting point is 00:16:20 How about this? If it plays out the same way again, to me, that's an advantage for Sean Strickland. Oh, for sure. If it plays out the same way again, to me, that's an advantage for Sean Strickland. Oh, for sure. If it plays out the same way again, there's plenty of moments where Sean Strickland could just increase the volume. You land a few less than you missed.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Doesn't get that headbutt. The headbutt opened him up pretty bad. Yeah, it was a pivotal moment in the fight. To his credit, it bothered him a little bit, but then he kept fighting. Maybe 20% more of those strikes land than don't land, and it's a completely different fight. But if DDP fights a different fight, I think that's a big advantage for him.
Starting point is 00:16:52 If he's clinching more, if he's trying to wrestle more, if he's taking it outside of the realm of just, I'm going to strike with Sean Strickland, which, by the way, he fought very admirably in just basically striking with Sean Strickland. He did well in against a style that is is hard to kind of do well against especially as somebody who the book coming into that fight in the book on ddp was like no cardio sloppy and remember we got the nasal patches yeah but like the lead up to every ddp fight was like the guy's got no cardio he's gonna gas out
Starting point is 00:17:22 and around the guys can't strike he's just winging haymakers now granted there were some haymakers being swung by both uh parties in in that fight but i thought he did pretty damn good on his feet just in a in a point for point striking battle with sean strickland if he makes it a little grimier if he makes it a little dirtier if he uses his weight and his size you mentioned like how big he looks then i think it's a big advantage for him. If it plays out the same way, I do think that Strickland has a little bit of an edge just because that's kind of his wheelhouse. That's how his fighting style is constructed. Now, DDP could very well do the same thing and maybe he catches a big punch and he's adjusted to that and he's kind of found
Starting point is 00:18:00 Strickland's rhythm. But I expect, I guess I expect that DDP is going to approach this a little bit differently. I think he's going to try to do what I'm suggesting, which is like make Sean Strickland a little more uncomfortable with his size and with his aggressiveness and his power. It's hard to imagine he's not going to just with the way that we've seen him fight throughout his entire career, even before the UFC. Like if you go back and watch the Soldich fight that he won, like, it was just pure chaos the entire time. And, like, that's normally what we see,
Starting point is 00:18:31 and I think he goes back to that here. I think there's a level of chaoticness in this fight that shakes things up. One of the things that I often think about when it comes to modern MMA, especially because as it has, like, kind of moved much more towards striking there's, there's kind of these ebbs and flows, right? There's eras where it's like you get the GSPs and the Habibs and then all of a sudden the meta becomes like take down control and, and you, and you have these different styles. I feel like it's in a striking phase right now, right? We had Israel Adesanya as champion for a long time and the book was like, just take them down. Alex Pereira as champion, just take them down. But like, we don't see guys
Starting point is 00:19:03 just like shooting across, shooting across for doubles, except for maybe Hobbs and Atramayev. DDP just kind of stumbles into it. And then you're on the ground, and then you're getting subbed by him. Well, DDP's just picking you up and dumping you because he's a horse of a man. But the meta seems to be primarily more of striking affairs. And so I do wonder, as you break down a lot of these fights, to me,
Starting point is 00:19:26 the difference maker in a lot more of these contests is power. Because if you don't have power and you know that it's going to engage in a striking battle, if the terms of engagement are, we're going to stand here and throw punches, DDP is less scared of Sean Strickland because of that lack of power than Sean Strickland has to be of DDP. And so the power really is like a true difference maker in the fight. I thought about this when it came to Francis Ngannou versus Cyril Ghosn. Now, naturally, that kind of played out as a grappling affair after two rounds. But I found it hard to believe that anybody was going to be able to engage with Francis Ngannou in a pure striking battle just because the power is the difference maker, right? If Cyril Ghosn is throwing five jabs and Francis Ngannou is landing one overhand
Starting point is 00:20:10 right from hell, he's going to win that every time. And so I think of that when I think of Sean Strickland is like, without that power, it allows DDP to be in his phase and his zone and not have to worry as much about that. Now, there's a danger there, as we saw against Israel Adesanya. If Sean Strickland lands the right punch, you can get cracked and you can get robbed and so it's not this like he has no power but primarily his tools are not looking for that power shot his tools are more looking for activity busyness pump that jab in your face and you really just can't like reset um but the power i think is going to be a big uh factor i play here especially if it becomes a striking contest and more than that if if, if DDP just tries to get a hold of him, I wonder what happens if, if he's more dedicated and more relentless on
Starting point is 00:20:53 that, what happens? Yeah. I mean, I think he got six takedowns in the first fight, but like, wasn't able to rack up a ton of control time. Wasn't able to get into dangerous positions or anything. It felt more like that Marab thing that I'm talking about where it was like opportunistic, but it wasn't necessarily a concerted... Just to throw it in there, make you think about it, score
Starting point is 00:21:07 some points by doing it. I mean, I really am. I'm fascinated for it. These guys, they have a respectful beef. They talk a lot of shit, but I think they actually like each other. What is very intriguing to me, you mentioned it right off the rip of the show, is Hamzat
Starting point is 00:21:23 sort of looming behind them. One of the biggest stars in the UFCat sort of looming behind them. One of the biggest stars in the UFC. And, you know, Sean Strickland has become a star in his own right. Oh, yeah. You know, being boisterous on the microphone, winning a title, everything like that. DDP is coming into his own as a star. I think he's starting to build a giant fan base. But I think the winner of this one will fight Hamzat after this for the middleweight title. Nasreddin Imhovov, incredible win against Adesanya. But that's not the one. Hamzat after this for the middleweight title. Nasreddin Imhovov, incredible win against Adesanya, but that's not the one. Hamzat Shumayev is one of the biggest
Starting point is 00:21:49 stars that they have. He's coming off of ripping Robert Whitaker's head off of his body, breaking his jaw. And now he's doing the work this week by sitting there on Twitter. I don't know who's making these videos for him, who's making these posts, but he is getting active on Twitter. He is talking shit to Sean Strickland. Sean Strickland's talking shit to him in media. DDP's mentioning Hamzat Shumayev's name. His name is being thrown around all around this fight. Yeah, so much so that it almost feels like Sean Strickland has prepared more material and more things to say about Hamzat Shumayev than he has about his opponent DDP. But you mentioned both of them mentioning him.
Starting point is 00:22:23 I want to bring up a quote here. This was what DDP said but you mentioned, both of them mentioning him. I want to bring up a quote here. This was what DDP said earlier at the press conference. I would have preferred that Hamzat fight, but Sean Strickland was the one. So him basically coming out and just being like,
Starting point is 00:22:34 I wanted to fight Hamzat, but it ended up being Sean Strickland. He either said it in an interview or on Twitter before this, after the Strickland fight was made. He was like, nah, man, I wanted the Hamzat fight, but they gave me Strickland,
Starting point is 00:22:44 so I'll fight Strickland again. It's a good matchup. We went pretty long breaking it down and feeling like I think we're both compelled by it, but it does have the air of just like they both are kind of thinking about Hamzat. I mean, for good reason, right?
Starting point is 00:22:59 If that guy is looming and that guy who has such a big presence, such an incredible style, such a big fan base, it feels like it almost can't be avoided because we know he's next. And then we also had some tweets by Sean Strickland and Hamzat going back and forth that you alluded to earlier. Let's do the first one with Hamzat reacting to Sean Strickland's new look. This one kind of kicked things off a little bit. This is what started it. Sean Strickland at the press conference
Starting point is 00:23:28 talking about, obviously, his relationship to Kadirov and Chechnya and everything like that. And then Hamzat getting on Twitter and throwing beef at him. And now Hamzat has a string of tweets at Strickland. Yeah, well, we also have Sean Strickland tweeting. So he has really honed in on this Hamzat Kadyrov angle. This is his angle, which is that he's basically in servitude to the dictator.
Starting point is 00:23:55 And so we have the – well, we have this. Why more losses than one? We might as well talk about this one, which is Hamzat just pointing out like Sean Strickland's career hasn't been like flawless right in the way that his has also if you just look at the numbers like 1.1 million views on this tweet he got 19 000 likes on the one just of sean strickland with the mustache 65 000 likes 3.2 million views like the guy is like performing insanely on social media he has a massive fan base like the fan base is hungry to see him fight for a title like he's he's at like follower count and like engagement rates of like john jones who's been around the game for that islam big announcement coming later today by the way hopefully we'll
Starting point is 00:24:35 be on the air when he makes the announcement i cannot wait for that one he like his fan base seems to be at the same level like like 9.3 million on RG. It's unfortunate for Nasuddin Imovovic. It's an incredible win against Adesanya, but he's clearly second here. It just is what it is. And I can't remember if I said this last week on the boys in the back or if I said this on the Ariel Hawani show, but Hamza Shamayev is the A-side. He's not the champion, but he will be the A-side of that championship bout,
Starting point is 00:25:01 whether it be Drikas or Sean Strickland. Hamza Shamayev is the A-side of that that fight and we see it from the social media following we see it from the engagement that he gets i think either one of drickis and sean would be a really good foil for him because i think from the uh sean's side he's just gonna talk that good shit and they're gonna get into it and it's gonna get really nasty and contentious oh for sure even so much so like let's look at some of the Strickland stuff. You alluded to it earlier about what he said. So like Hamza was talking about why, why are you a baby crying all the time? Father didn't give you love or he showed his love to you too much. I mean, a little bit below the belt, right? We know
Starting point is 00:25:38 Sean Strickland's relationship with his, with his family. Strickland firing right back. Here's the thing. My dad hit, did hit me with some beer bottles once or twice. LMAO, I will admit it. Made me the man I am today, but I guarantee this little horse sucked off Kadyrov. Obviously not good enough because you had to flee your country. So now he's hitting back below the belt, talking about his family. And so what I found very fascinating about this is they're going low right off the bat. They're attacking each other at their weakest points. He doubled down at the end of the press conference. He said basically the same thing, right, that he's he's in service to him. And then he's tweeted a couple more times. But then there's been one where he just goes right after that, like, you know what? Sorry, I changed my mind. Just got done training. My mind is clear. I'm going to lay off to my
Starting point is 00:26:21 Chechnyan thing. I'm very aware that his family is probably in danger and he probably regrets that relationship. So I'm going to attempt to not go there. Have a good day. Here's to trying. Still, is Bitcoin scam? He's like, I'm going to be the good guy here. I'm not going to go to that thing. His family's probably in danger. He says that after already going there. He still has the tweets up of like, not the first time you went to
Starting point is 00:26:40 your knees and it's him sparring against Kadyrov. He is not afraid to go there and he's him uh uh sparring against kadi rav like it's like he he is not afraid to like go there and he's going to go there and like he's he's honestly like he's made a name for himself and he's become a star like it will get nasty and it will get like contentious and i really think they don't like each other at all especially how prideful of american strickland is like i think it would be heated but i think it would be an insane build-up to a fight. And that's why I think that one works. Now you look at the DDP angle, right?
Starting point is 00:27:08 You look at DDP versus Hamzat potentially. DDP would have now, in the last few fights, knocked off Strickland twice, Whitaker, Israel Adesanya, and then all the wins before that. Darren Till, others like... Derek Brunson. Derek Brunson. Names that
Starting point is 00:27:24 we know and recognize. And the resume is incredible. The the the championship being taken away from DDP, I think, would feel more significant. Right. Then if Sean Strickland wins it back and then they and then Hamza takes it off him, because as Hamza has kind of pointed out, like Strickland's career isn't like spotless. Right. It's not a flawless. It's not Hamzat's career where it's like, oh God, this guy, is this guy ever going to lose? Strickland's lost. But Strickland's thing is that his perseverance, his longevity, his consistency to always be there and always be ready for the opportunity.
Starting point is 00:27:54 And again, we see him stepping into a fight where DDP is like, I want Hamzat. The UFC is probably like, we want Hamzat. It doesn't work out. And so Strickland steps right in there. Availability is the best ability. And we don't know if Hamzat Shumayev was available for this fight. And Strickland always is, and he's always stepping up.
Starting point is 00:28:10 And so this is the thing. Now, granted, he's been calling for this, but it was his time. I do think, though, that it would mean more to take it from a champion like DDP, who's on this incredible run and has all these names on his resume, to be able to say, you took out Izzy. you took out Rob, you took out Strickland, you couldn't take me out. So I think that would have some, that would really elevate Hamzat in a way I don't know that the Strickland win would, but at the same time, the back and forth, the trash talk, the buildup would also elevate Hamzat in a major way for the Strickland fight. So it's almost a no-lose situation in
Starting point is 00:28:45 Hamzat's seat. He gets to sit back and be like, either one of these guys is really going to elevate me even higher. Even though he's the A side, you need those foils. And I talked about this when we talked about Anderson Silva, Chael Son, and you need somebody who's going to take you to the next level in addition to just you taking yourself. And so either one of these guys, I think is going to be a great matchup for Hamzat. Winnable fights for them as well. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that Hamzat goes in there and wins. It's no secret. I do believe he will win, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion by any means.
Starting point is 00:29:13 100% it won't be. I mean, he'll be the favorite in my belief, but it isn't a foregone conclusion. And you make a great point with the foils. Hamzat wouldn't have this with Nasser Dineen, with Kyle Bahaglio, with Jared Kananier. That's not there. There feels like there's real hatred, real dislike between Strickland and Hamzat. DDP, though, is always down to talk shit.
Starting point is 00:29:35 He does not care who you are. He is a sneaky, good trash talker. He's low-key funny. Sean Strickland made the joke. He was just like, he fights like he's on a short bus, and he's just like, well, it looks like you're driving it with that weird ass mustache except no no you can't be
Starting point is 00:29:47 around kids anymore like he's just like always going after whoever he's fighting he shows up with the uh the trump trump prefers champion shirt with the belt around his his shoulder and everything yeah I mean he'll talk shit to Hamza I don't doubt it and I think it'll be a great build as well his trash talk is almost like his fighting style in that it's just so aggressive and diffusing. He's like, by him getting out in front of it, he prevents you from getting him. I think he made Izzy cry and Strickland cry. Well, I feel like Izzy was in his own emotion there.
Starting point is 00:30:16 I think they were both in an emotional state, but it is just like, that's the resume he's building outside of the octagon. What's so funny is opposite that, yeah, for whatever reason that they did, we're brought to tears. He's always sitting there like the 80s movie bully who's just grinning ear to ear. He kind of looks like an 80s movie bully too. He's perfect.
Starting point is 00:30:38 He's a good-haired, jacked guy. Looks like the football player, Jock. Or like the far-in evil villain who just is perfectly – he really has this like presence and look to him that's perfect for this role. But either way, I'm compelled by this fight. I'm obviously, as I said earlier, more compelled by what's to come, right? Whoever one of these guys fighting Hamzat Shemayev. And then even from there, like a Nasruddin Imavov kind of coming up on the side. You mentioned that. I actually love the idea of winner of DDP-Strickland fights Hamzat-Sharmayev after this,
Starting point is 00:31:12 defends their belt against Hamzat, and then the loser goes and fights Immovov. And if Strickland isn't able to get it done, then you get the rematch between Immovov and Strickland, and you get DDP-Hamzat, and then the winner of Immovov-Strickland bounces back, because then you could have a fresh matchup with Strickland and Hamzat. There's things to be done at the top of middleweight right now. There's paths back to the title. Even if Strickland, let's say Strickland can beat
Starting point is 00:31:33 Imovov, I'm good with Strickland getting a shot at Hamzat if he can get past DDP. You do all the permutations. They all make sense. There's all these good matchups. I'd like to see a little bit of fresh faces. That's why I think Imovov entering the picture would be interesting and nice hamza himself is a fresh face like right like his his biggest win is over robert whittaker but i would have loved to see him against the israels i would i would love to see him against the winner of this
Starting point is 00:31:56 fight and so uh hamza presents a new thing nasardine presents a new thing i'm excited about the future of middleweight um but i'm also like, DDP's on a run right now that deserves the maximum respect that you can have. Especially considering, and I talked about it earlier, the book on him was like, so one-dimensional,
Starting point is 00:32:14 can't do it. Why would he fight? Why would this guy fight Robert? I was saying this. Why would he fight Robert Whitaker when he's this close to the Israel Adesanya fight? He has all this built-in beef.
Starting point is 00:32:23 He's going to blow it. Rob's going to blow the doors off him, and he dumps him in one round. Ran through him. Yeah. Ran through him. Yeah, it was incredible. I mean, it's just like you doubt DDP until you don't.
Starting point is 00:32:33 Could you imagine if he wins this weekend? Does anybody doubt him anymore? I feel like he's beyond it at this point. Could you imagine, though, if he wins this weekend against Sean Streetham and then he does take on Hamzat Shumayev and he wins that one too? Legend status.
Starting point is 00:32:44 That would be so crazy. I was trolling. Takes Hamzat Shumayev, and he wins that one too. Legend status. That would be so crazy. I was trolling. Takes Hamzat Shumayev. Is Hamzat Shumayev's O the most valuable O in the sport right now? That's a great question. Ilya's is pretty good. Ilya Shavkat Hamzat, in whatever order you want to put it, I'd say Ilya's is the most valuable.
Starting point is 00:33:02 Do we count Jon Jones' O as an O? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to say the one's is the most valuable. Can we count Jon Jones' O as an O? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to say the one is actually an O there. Man, that's... If we count Jon Jones, then that's the one. Jon Jones, Ilya, Hamzat, Shavkat. Is there a fifth one that you can think of for it? No, that's probably it.
Starting point is 00:33:17 I guess it would have been like Umar before that. We just saw Umar drop one. We just saw... I was going to say Volk, but actually Volk had lost before the UFC. That's a solid four right there. Those are are pretty great that's a solid four right there um the john jones one is like the one but but you're right like it would be very significant and to the point that i was joking before the show when we were trying to come up with like what's the angle for this one i was
Starting point is 00:33:41 gonna trolling but only like half be like, is Drikus already the middleweight GOAT? Because if you look at the resume, the dude's racking him up. The dude is putting up some numbers. The dude is putting up
Starting point is 00:33:51 some stats. He's trolling though. Obviously trolling. I was just like, no, that's like too troll-y. And then like, you just go back
Starting point is 00:33:58 and look at Anderson Silva's resume and you're like, yeah, dude, we need to stop this. Like, stop. I'll be honest.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I felt like Israel, Israel was encroaching. Like, he was coming up on Anderson Silva. Six title defenses going into that, like yeah dude we need to stop this like stop i'll be honest i felt like israel israel was a croat it was encroaching like he was coming up on anderson's title defense is going into that that alex fight the first one at msg and i've long i've always been more team and this is for people who are you know not 15 years old but like i was always more anderson than gsp guy i always thought that anderson was was more of the goat status than GSP. I've had him in that kind of thing. As their careers kind of played out, I feel like just the longevity of GSP and remaining on top for so long kind of pushed him maybe a little bit over. But I was always more Anderson Silva versus GSP just because of what he was able to do in the octagon and finish people.
Starting point is 00:34:41 I felt like Israel was getting close. I felt like Israel was coming up in the conversation where it was like, okay, I don't know if he passed him. I would say most people at this point now certainly don't have it that way. But he's starting to at least make it a conversation where it's like, is this guy going to be the best middleweight of all time? Alex Pereira fight comes and that kind of like
Starting point is 00:34:59 throws the wrench into everything. You get the win back and you go, oh shit, maybe it's here. Then we go on the skid and it's kind of veered off from there i don't know look it's not now but if you if you get another win over sean strickland you take hamza chamayev's oh it's not not a conversation where like how far away is the guy he's probably not there yet because anderson silva put it in work for so long. Also, that would put him at what? That would put him at three title defenses over
Starting point is 00:35:29 good names. You'd still have a long way to go. You'd still have a long way to go, but the resume is starting to rack up a little bit. Here's the thing though. The Anderson Silva title defenses started very early in his UFC career. He's had a lot of opportunity to get them. You look at the opponent opponent for opponent though, right?
Starting point is 00:35:47 Because you look at some of those early title defenses for Anderson Silva and they're not against guys, like they're against the guys, the caliber of the Darren Tills and the Derek Brunson's of Drikus's resume. So you can compare the title defenses and he's going to fall short, as is everybody when you compare to John Jones,
Starting point is 00:36:03 Anderson Silva, Demetrius Johnson. Those runs are epic even george saint pierre but when you when you do fight for fight the dude's resume is pretty fucking stellar like i've got to give it up i did not see this coming ddp has really solidified himself as an incredible middleweight right now it's not a conversation yeah you get one more you take out hamza chamayev when nobody could it starts to talk about conversation we'll save it for that and then see if that actually happens of conversation. Yeah. You get one more, you take out Hamzat Shemaev when nobody could, it starts to become a conversation. We'll save it for then. We'll save it for then
Starting point is 00:36:28 and see if that actually happens. Do we have an official prediction? I've got DDP and I think you might even be able to find a finish in this one. I'm going to say DDP finish round three,
Starting point is 00:36:37 somewhere in there. You're more confident in the finish than maybe me. I'm like wavering a little bit. I don't know. Maybe I'm going to eat my words on this, but there's something in my gut that maybe me. I'm like wavering a little bit. I don't know. Maybe I'm going to eat my words on this, but there's something in my gut that tells me
Starting point is 00:36:47 this fight goes differently, vastly differently than the first one, and I'm interested to see how it plays out. Co-main event. Yeah, love this one. Another championship bout. Tatiana Suarez taking on Zhang Weili. This kind of feels like a moment
Starting point is 00:37:00 we've been waiting for forever. Yeah. It's just like Tatiana Suarez obviously been through injuries, cancer survivor, still undefeated record. It feels like we've been waiting for this. Haven't seen her since August of 2023. She had to pull out of the Lemos and the Virna fight last year, but now title shot. This is her moment to realize the championship status, kind of become everything that we thought we should we could become another fascinating
Starting point is 00:37:25 fight i i really can't wait to see how this one plays out i have to admit i feel a little bit similarly about this one as i do with the homzat uh next title opportunity that we felt where it's like i'm very very confident that she's going to win this fight i'm very confident interesting and have been very confident that she would win once given the title opportunity. I feel that way about Hamzat. I've felt that way many times about Tatiana Suarez. And the opponent in front of her is somebody who I respect greatly and think is a great champion. It's not going to be a cakewalk, but I do feel like the style that she brings is such a dominant and hard to turn away style that it almost does not matter what the opponent is. And maybe those will be
Starting point is 00:38:14 words that I eat, right? Maybe she comes in there and she doesn't have the wrestling success that I think she's going to have. And Zhang Weili, who we know is a fantastic striker and just a well-rounded martial artist, is able to kind of find something that I'm not seeing. But man, when you have somebody as relentless as Tatiana Suarez and somebody as real, I compare it to Hamza because I think of them the same way. I've always thought of Tatiana as the champion waiting. I think of Hamza as the champion and waiting. When you have the style that she has and the physicality that she has i don't know what you can do at a certain point as as a 150 pound 115 pound fighter to stop her from doing it she's going to just be longer bigger and stronger than most of the the fighter she's in there against and so don't get me wrong zhang weili is a very
Starting point is 00:39:01 very strong woman like we've seen some of the things, like her lifting up, I believe it was in Ghanu and just like, she is strong. But the level of wrestling and grappling and kind of like physical gifts that Tatiana Suarez has, I just don't know if anybody's gonna be able to turn that away. The one reservation I have is the same reservation I always have about Tatiana Suarez is like,
Starting point is 00:39:22 what is her health like right now? This moment right now? This moment, right now in time, is she healthy? How are her joints? Is she going to be at 100%? If she's at 100%, I'm very confident. If she's at anything less than that, I think it becomes a real fight. But I've long thought Tatiana Suarez is going to be the champion of this division. I'm going to assume she's healthy. I'm going to assume she's ready for this opportunity. And I predict that she will win the fight. And it's fascinating to see on the line, too, because I think a lot of people agree with you.
Starting point is 00:39:47 She opened as an underdog across the board at every single book, as big as, you know, plus 175, plus 150. And Zhang deserves that respect, I'd say. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. But, I mean, she's been bet down. She's now the favorite across the board. Got up to plus 145 on BetMGM. She is now the favorite across the board, though, to become the champion.
Starting point is 00:40:04 I feel like you don't often see line movement like this with championship bouts. You see the defending champion going from favorite to dog like this. But I guess it's warranted with a fighter like Tatiana Suarez. And I think I agree with you. If she is 100%, then she stands a very good chance to win this fight. Just the aggression, the physicality, the size, the finishing capability. But, I mean, Zhang is obviously no slouch. She is the best at 155.
Starting point is 00:40:31 She's putting together one of the best resumes we've seen at 115. Excuse me, I just said 155. And I'm dying to better. I've almost gone to the window a couple times. Zhang is a doggy. Yeah, especially when I see the plus money on her. But then I'm just like, man, I just don't know, which is what makes championship bouts incredible.
Starting point is 00:40:50 It just comes down to me. It's going to be the first. We're going to know very soon. We're going to know early in this fight what's going to happen. The first time Tatiana Suarez shoots a double, grabs a single, has her up against the cage, either dumps her or doesn't, that's going to be a sign right there.
Starting point is 00:41:05 I almost feel like I felt this way about Umar and Marab, right? Like, if you go into that fight early and Umar is not having his way in the wrestling, it's going to be a bad sign. It's going to be a bad sign. Now, granted, I thought Umar still looked really good in those early rounds and was competitive in that fight. Many people had him winning.
Starting point is 00:41:25 I think we had both a split. I think we both gave them each one round. But many people had him up 2-0. And so he was not out of that fight. But for long-term success, if your takedowns are not going so well, especially when you're at your strongest and your freshest, and you know that Zhang Weili has been in championship fights nearly her entire UFC run at this point, come round five, how much are you going to have left to be able to do that? And so I think early on, we're going to know pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:41:52 If Tatiana Suarez has some trouble getting Zhang Weili down early, I don't know how well that's going to go for her. I think that's going to be a problem. If she gets her down early and makes it look the way she's looked the rest of the time, I imagine that fight could be over relatively quickly because she's just so good once she has it in that realm. But, I can't,
Starting point is 00:42:11 I'm trying to picture the world where she gets turned back and I just can't. I just see her being able to pick Zhang up, put her down, and just finish it. Okay, the way that I see her getting turned back is what you just said. She's never been in a five-rounder. She obviously has the ten professional fights and everything. This fight gets extended because she, we saw Yang get three takedowns. There was a moment where the tides were turning
Starting point is 00:42:46 in the Yang-Zhang-Nan fight where it was just like, oh my gosh, is she about to lose the belt? Yeah, I'm just saying. If the fight gets extended, I think that's the best case scenario for Zhang.
Starting point is 00:42:55 And as I said, I think we'll know this early. If we see that she's able to stuff some of those takedowns and really prevent Tatiana from doing what she wants to do. I mean, she's a vicious girl. Never been subbed either. Zhang. Zhang, yeah to do. I mean, she's a vicious girl. Never been subbed either.
Starting point is 00:43:06 Zhang. Zhang, yeah. Yeah, I mean, no, she's fantastic. Those Tatiana, I mean, I think it's shaping up to be a banger. I think there is finishing capabilities on both sides. Yeah, I imagine on the feet, actually, for Zhang, like, there's probably going to be some opportunities. I just don't know. Unless Tatiana Suarez is, like, trying to prove something and go, like, I can strike with with Zhang Weili I think she's going to be on those takedowns quick and I just don't I don't know
Starting point is 00:43:29 that there's a fighter at 115 that's going to be able to turn that back I just I don't see it all right so official prediction is yeah Tatiana Suarez I think maybe like a sub or a TKO on the ground oh it's going to be great it's going to be great and then Tatiana Suarez like the the rain begins from there I see it that way. Now, here's the thing. It's one thing. Now she's won the belt, but now it's like,
Starting point is 00:43:49 how often are we going to see her defend it? Those things. She's 34. We have to just wish good health upon her because like it, as you've said, like what she's overcome in her life is even like, like that's amazing.
Starting point is 00:44:01 The fact that she's even here in this position, incredible story of triumph. There was even a film made about this, like incredible story. But for the UFC part of it, the actual like run, there's been so many canceled fights. So many pullouts.
Starting point is 00:44:14 It's just like, it's an unfortunate situation. It's an unfortunate circumstance, but. I mean, we've actually, we have only seen her fight twice since 2019. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:23 And they both happened in 2020. It's not ideal. It is not great. And especially if you're the champion, right, the intention is for you to be able to defend that belt against the challengers. All we can hope is if she is able to be successful, if she does become the champion, good health.
Starting point is 00:44:36 We see her up against the contenders for as long as she's willing to do that. And we see how long this title reign could go. But I am concerned. I am concerned. You know, it's... Yeah, like, what would we make of her career if she wins the bout here and then she maybe fights, like, two more times? One of the best, like, what-ifs for me.
Starting point is 00:44:52 Yeah. What if Tatiana Suarez didn't ever have to deal with these injuries? What if she was just fine? And, by the way, like, I compared her to Hamza. It's the same kind of story, right? What if Hamza fought more?
Starting point is 00:45:03 He probably would have been champion already. I mean, yeah, different reasons, obviously. I guess similar health issues, but different reasons overall. No, well, there's health, it's the same kind of story, right? What if Hamza fought more? He probably would have been champion already. I mean, yeah, different reasons, obviously. I guess similar health issues, but different reasons overall. Yeah, I mean, it is interesting. 14 fights for Hamza, 10 for Tatiana. It would be a massive what if for me. It would be a what if she was able to get this done earlier
Starting point is 00:45:17 because it's taken so long to get to this point, but she's been this good forever. She's been ready for an opportunity forever. I don't know why. Well, I do know why. I mean, she's been this good forever. She's been ready for an opportunity forever. I don't know why. Well, I do know why. I mean, she's an unbelievable fighter. I think I'm going to go with Zhang. I get it.
Starting point is 00:45:30 We'll have dueling picks here. I totally get it. I'm going to go with Zhang. I used to always think that Zhang had an advantage over Rose. I was proven wrong in those scenarios. But I thought that Zhang was going to win those fights. I'm a big believer in Zhang Weili. I think this is like taking a title from a very, very good champion.
Starting point is 00:45:50 But style-wise, I just don't see how you stop Tatiana. Yeah, I mean, Rose really cracked the code on Zhang. Other than Zhang's first fight. That's her only two losses in her entire career. I thought the MSG fight was closer than some thought. It was very close. Oh, no. It was incredibly close.
Starting point is 00:46:07 I might have scored it for Zhang. It was a split decision. I was sitting cage side. It was a split decision. But I don't know. It was Rose getting the takedowns late, I believe. Yeah. I got it.
Starting point is 00:46:15 I mean, the head kick was obviously. Again, getting the takedowns. That kind of worries me when it comes to the best. Yeah, yeah. 50% takedown defense we've seen. We've seen people take it down. We've seen people take it down. It worries me. We'll seen people take it down. We've seen people take it down.
Starting point is 00:46:25 We'll see. We will see. Both the main and the co-main event are very intriguing. I can't wait to watch them. We will get into the rest of the card with Dennis from Submission Radio at 2 o'clock. We will head down under. We will be talking to Australia just like that. I mean, the power of the internet, the power of Zoom truly is amazing.
Starting point is 00:46:45 We will get the rest of the intricacies of this card. There's a decent drop-off from the main and the co-main to the rest of the card. That's respectful. There are, in the 11 other fights, there are 8 Australians or 8 fights with Australians in them. Perfect. There's 3 debuting Australians. There's a lot
Starting point is 00:47:01 to get into. Alessandre Teporia is making his UFC debut. There's a lot to get into. Alessandro Tapporia is making his UFC debut. There's a lot to get into. We'll get into that with Dennis from Submission Radio at the top of the hour. He will join us from down under from Australia. But before we do that, we hopped into Winnebago, and we went down under.
Starting point is 00:47:16 Only kidding. We went to Midtown Manhattan, and we actually tried. We made our best attempt at trying Australian cuisine. We went to Isla and co in midtown um owned and operated by a man from melbourne uh melbourne melbourne no r in there we just sit silent yeah melbourne uh he gave us a lot of the best recommendations um didn't want to go on camera you know i get it yeah you, he didn't want the bright lights on him. But he gave us a lot of great recommendations. So Fight Feast, Episode 16, Australian food. Enjoy.
Starting point is 00:47:50 G'day, Mike. G'day, Frankie. UFC heads back down to the land down under for UFC 312. Drikus Duplessis versus Sean Strickland. So we are here at Midtown Manhattan at Isla & Co. We're going to try our best attempt at trying some authentic australian cuisine fight feast episode 16. crikey mike let's go all right we got the cooper's the cooper's pale ale here uh supposedly one of the most
Starting point is 00:48:18 popular beers in australia we just had to roll it out on the uh on the table to get rid of the uh sediment in it. Sedimentary beer, you know that's what they say about it in Australia. I feel like it's very Aussie to just put this whole thing down the hatch. So let's do it. Horrible chugger. I'm a terrible chugger. There's a big Frankie in the house!
Starting point is 00:48:34 Cheers, Frank. Here we go. It's not a good chugger. Cooper's Pale Ale. I'll take another one of those. Thanks. All right, here we go. Chicken salt fries. If I'm not mistaken from my research,
Starting point is 00:49:01 these actually have no chicken flavoring in them at all. They're just supposed to taste like chicken. Big Aussie thing, they say. Get a little aioli here. I gotta taste the chicken, wow. No chicken flavoring. Oh man, if this was like a bar food in Australia, a pub food, I could put down a plate of these easy.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Aioli's fantastic. Never really had anything like this. Chicken salt fries. Audio man Frank has requested a crunch. We've already lost the magnet. Here we go, chicken salt fries, nice and close. How's that, Frank? Levels good?
Starting point is 00:49:40 Okay, don't talk. Don't want me to talk. Little ASMR. Thanks, Frank. All right, chicken't talk. Don't want me to talk. Little ASMR. Thanks, friend. All right, chicken parm. What makes this different, what makes this an Australian dish, cheddar cheese instead of mozzarella on top. Supposedly this is huge in Australian pubs. It's big for college kids, middle of the week.
Starting point is 00:49:58 I mean, giant chicken fillet. Too big of a bite? Too big of a bite? I say no. I mean, what's not to like like fried chicken covered in sauce and cheese point out what i'm supposed to not like about this and i'll show you a liar low-key the australians might be onto something with the cheddar cheese that's all you had in the house no he's saying are you filming right now first of all shout out to the sydney hat as australian as it gets thing had a new with tags, 2000, still on it. All right, kangaroo, never had it.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Is this an Australian thing to eat or is it just this is an Australian animal and I'm eating it? The manager, he says this is Australian as it gets. Kangaroo skewers, little Joey. This could be Kangaroo Jack right here. Let's get some dip in the sauce let's get a little onion kangaroo kangaroo that's kangaroo I mean it tastes like pretty much any beef not nothing
Starting point is 00:51:00 crazy it's kind of what the experience i've had alligator i've had you know el camus stuff like that it's uh it's just like gamey meat you can tell me this is like a bison medallion i believe it instead it's kangaroo jack it's uh it's a kangaroo i mean the kangaroo i don't think no matter how good this was i would ever like make this a staple. Shout out though, kangaroo. We did it. All right, Frank, kangaroo. What do we think brother? It's pretty tasty.
Starting point is 00:51:32 Do you know that kangaroos have three vaginas? All right, here we go. Rick trying his first marsupial. That wasn't what I was expecting. Tough, gamey, not for me, not my thing, but I can understand why this is eaten. It's got a good texture, but it's a little tougher than I expected. There's not like a ton of like juicy like flavor like you get with a beef or a chicken. It's a little understated.
Starting point is 00:51:57 And there is like kind of like almost like a fishy aftertaste. It's a bit of a weird kind of aftertaste. I get it if you like it, but not for me. Rick, I normally ask him stuff and he's like, oh, 15 out of 10. And he just dropped like a Guy Fieri, Gordon Ramsay level, like Anthony Bourdain level review, breakdown of the kangaroo there.
Starting point is 00:52:16 That was incredible. All right, here we go. Sausage rolls, Thai spiced pork mince, wrapped in a puff pastry, red chili sauce right here. This might be the one I'm looking forward to the most. This just sounds like I'm going to like it. Slam dunk in the sauce. Big bite here.
Starting point is 00:52:34 That's like the fanciest hot pocket you've ever eaten. Culinary grade puff pastry. Amazing sausage in the middle. Unreal sauce. Best thing I've eaten. If they're serving these in Australia, I'm coming to fucking Australia. Just got the toast.
Starting point is 00:52:52 They just informed us they don't have any Vegemite. I left mine back at the office. Like no bullshit, I actually left mine at the office. It's heartbreaking, soul crushing. I wanted to whip it out and slam it on the table. So here's what we're gonna do. The magic of production and posts, we're just gonna have me clap my hands together,
Starting point is 00:53:05 and then I'm gonna be at the office trying Vegemite on toast. Can we get the proper Vegemite-to-butter ratio? Let's find out. All right, we're back at Uncrowned HQ. We got the Vegemite. Two beautifully buttered pieces of toast. I've heard everything. It all comes down to the butter.
Starting point is 00:53:17 Freshly... Oh, yeah. Freshly opened. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Oh yeah. Smells, smells horrible.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Smells like soy sauce and not good stuff. I think this is heavy. I think we went heavy on the Vegemite here. Let's see how it goes. Butter, Vegemite here. Let's see how it goes. Butter, Vegemite. Frank made the toast. Not the best effort here. It's more like a giant crouton. My Vegemite is just
Starting point is 00:54:00 not good. I think it's just an acquired taste. I mean, it toasts. It's horrible. The Vegemite makes it even worse. Just an unpleasant experience. All around. Whoa. Just got a big, big glob of Vegemite all at once there. No, I think it's just an acquired taste.
Starting point is 00:54:25 I don't mean to offend any Australians. I think I'm just putting too much. Like, let's try just, like, lightly. The thinnest spreading you've ever seen of Vegemite. Just to give it, like, a... It's like, that's too much right there. That's enough to put me in a casket. Frank, this toast is... What did you use to toast this?
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm literally eating a giant crouton. Okay, the light Vegemite is not nearly as bad. It gives it a bit of a salty kick. A little bit of tang. Still don't love it, but that's the key. 75 butter, 25 Vegemite. Maybe even 80 butter, 20 Vegemite. Better toast, too.
Starting point is 00:54:57 Even just basic culinary efforts, Frank miserably failed at, but Vegemite, again, not my thing. thing all right here we go sticky date pudding salted caramel sauce chantilly whipped cream am i saying that right whipped chantilly cream the manager of the place says it is an australian favorite we'll get a judge of that okay we'll see if it's an australian favorite all right here we go let's the caramel sauce. Let's get the chantilly whipped cream Oh my god this is Unbelievable. I've had a lot of desserts on fight piece. I'm shitting you not this might be the best one
Starting point is 00:55:44 Not in order trying this one. This is this is what we're gonna have to get again. This is really, the salted caramel sauce is just unbelievable. I mean, this is just straight down the hatch. This is really one of the best desserts I've ever had. Just like that, real time, 60 seconds. It's gone. I'm done. Top five dessert I've ever had in my life.
Starting point is 00:56:03 Final review, I was talking to the manager and I asked him, is this an authentic Australian meal? And he said, well, what would be an authentic American meal? That kind of put it into perspective. They don't really have like a strict cuisine, dishes and stuff like that. He said, they're very close to Thai in Vietnam. They get a lot of influences from there.
Starting point is 00:56:19 He's from Melbourne. They have a big Greek population, influences from there. So it's sort of just a bunch of dishes put together, but it was unbelievable. That sticky date pudding was insane. We got that because they ran out of Vegemite, so a blessing from the gods on that one. Rating, 8.2 out of 10.
Starting point is 00:56:35 I mean, I would absolutely come back here, crush a couple of coopers, have a little roux. Would love to go to Australia and really go to a pub and get a chicken parm. That's now on the bucket list. Australian food, shout out. UFC 312, shout out. Do I bring the shoe out?
Starting point is 00:56:50 Do we do the shoe in front of everyone? Do we do it? Do we do it? Let's do it. A little taste of the Cooper Pale Ale out of the shoe. We might as well. It is the Australian one. No better way to drink it. Cheers, baby.
Starting point is 00:57:06 Crikey, mate. That's not a knife. Crikey, mate. Go ahead and put another shrimp on the barbie. Aussie, aussie, aussie. Time to do a Tim Tam slam. Only way to finish the meal. One corner. Other corner.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Tim Tams are great, by the way. Let's see if this even goes down at all. I'm getting something. Who's good at this? This is no way to drink coffee. I'm just getting straight air. I don't know what to do with this. I lost the cookie. I'm covered getting straight air. I don't know what to do with this. I lost the cookie. I'm covered in flat white.
Starting point is 00:57:48 This is a complete... I'm giving it one more try. I'm getting air. Here we go. Like a snorkel. I got it. I got it. This is the only way to drink coffee from now on. I don't know. Oh, the Tim Tam after the coffee's run through it, though. Cheers, Mike. If you're going to consume it, you might as well really know what it tastes like. Just a bit straight to the tongue to really get the flavor. It's legit like one of the worst things that I could eat.
Starting point is 00:58:47 Ah, g'day, mate. Frankie. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. G'day, mate. G'day, Frankie. G'day, Frankie. Trying some authentic Australian cuisine. Island Co, baby.
Starting point is 00:59:08 You want to film me? Some authentic Australian fare. UFC. The Vegemite. Where's the Vegemite? There's no Vegemite, man. The menu said there's Vegemite, Frank. They're out. God damn!
Starting point is 00:59:27 Just cracked open a tinny. If I drink too much of this, I'll chunder. Chuck on some Trachy Dax. That was... That was supposed to flush backwards. That was disappointing. Incredible. Incredible.
Starting point is 00:59:50 What fun we had at Island Coast. Shout out. Great Australian meal there. Notice you weren't there for the Vegemite. Not there for the Vegemite tasting. You bailed out. I didn't bail out. It's just that at the restaurant, they didn't have it.
Starting point is 01:00:02 I've had Vegemite before. You have. In fact, we have a video of me tasting Vegemite for the first time. I went to Melbourne for a UFC event. 240? I don't know what number it was. Israel Adesanya versus Robert Whitaker. Okay.
Starting point is 01:00:17 And I tasted it at our hotel. Myself and Tessa. Good God. Look at how much is on there. Okay. Here's the important thing to note. Tessa is calling me a liar. This is so much.
Starting point is 01:00:29 This almost looks like you have cranberry sauce, but instead of the cranberry sauce, it's Vegemite. There's no way you're shrugging through that. You're just like, pretty good. How much? It's glistening. 15 out of 10. Let me explain. No, no.
Starting point is 01:00:39 Let me explain. It had been built up to me, explained to me, told to me, this is the worst thing ever. Like, this is heinous. You can't eat this. Nobody eats this. Only Australians eat this because it's horrible. Was it bad? Like, it wasn't my favorite.
Starting point is 01:00:56 But was it like that bad? I don't think. In fact, like, maybe I should have some right now. Let's just. Came strapped with the jar. Let's just take a! Let's just see. Came strapped with the jar. Let's just take a... You're going straight. No bread, no anything.
Starting point is 01:01:09 Yeah, we don't need nothing. I mean, I did it the other day, so I'm not gonna... I'm not gonna... That's a lot. The whole thing? You're gonna clear that whole thing off? I can taste it in my own mouth.
Starting point is 01:01:20 Frank, how are you liking these sticky, nasty chews? My mouth is actually watering because I know how unenjoyable that is. He's poker-facing it right now. He hated that. Where's your water? Why are you not drinking the whole thing? I actually said if he does this, then we have to see how long he goes without having a water.
Starting point is 01:01:33 Oh, man. I can't. No, stop it. Rick, you don't have anything to prove, man. No, do not die on this hill. Give me some more. Do more. Do more than that.
Starting point is 01:01:44 You're double-dipping as well. Give me some more. That's his. Don than that. You're double dipping as well. Give me some more. Don't worry. I don't think Connor's going to be in on this. That is a pile of it. No face. Look, this is horrible. Okay, we'll do another. People are literally unsubscribing.
Starting point is 01:02:02 There's a little bit right there. We're going to do another review. I feel like this is offensive to Australia. Too salty. It is a little bit too salty. I really think we've just been dumb with it, and we think it's peanut butter. You thought that was peanut butter in that video. The first.
Starting point is 01:02:19 I actually am still kind of grossed out that you actually just did that right there. It's not that bad. Oh, man. Your breath is going to reek. You you're gonna go home to your wife stop eating it dude stop seriously stop eating it um i thought you were gonna do it again dude uh it's it's i think you just have to have a lot of butter on it with with uh with the that was the mistake that i didn't realize when when it was first told to me was like, you don't eat it like peanut butter. You really lightly spread it thin, like you did by the end. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:49 And it's like a little salty kick at that point. Question for you. Worse, Vegemite, Frank making toast. Dude, what was that? What happened, Frankie? It had nothing to do with that toast. Get out of here, man. Denying.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Also, it seemed like Frank was the one who denied the Vegemite. Did he tell them not to get it at the restaurant? You look over at Frank and he's like, no. It's actually a good question. I called him beforehand. I was like, look, this guy. What Australian restaurant doesn't have Vegemite? Well, this one didn't.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Well, thanks to you. Yeah. Food, what did you say? 8. 8.2, yeah say 8.8.2 yeah solid solid it was a good restaurant uh i mean the sausage rolls are fire kangaroo don't know how often i'm gonna have that again but i'm glad we did it i'm glad yeah another one where i was like okay i can kind of get it like if you eat this it's fine but it just not like juicy savory enough for what i'm looking for when i'm when i'm eating meat like that and um but again not like definitely wasn't uh it was just like an interesting yeah i'm always open to try different different types of meat it is what it is you know yeah like i've
Starting point is 01:03:56 had the gators the the elks i'll try whatever yeah at least once maybe not like a hamster or anything like that what about a koala i'll try it. Frankie with the koala, man. Like nine times this week on that joke. I don't think it's landed once. I'll try any of those. Even a hamster. You need a koala? If a koala or a hamster were the cuisine of the nation, like. Either way, I enjoyed it.
Starting point is 01:04:17 We got to start going during the day. The nighttime, they start with the music, the ambiance. It hurts the production vibe. It's hard, yeah. It hurts the production vibe. I thought it was well done, especially when I'm giving my heartfelt review of the kangaroo, and it cuts to's hard yeah i thought it was well done especially when i'm giving my heartfelt review of the of the kangaroo and it cuts to you and you're just like i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it i couldn't believe it's true i do often give very like
Starting point is 01:04:34 surface level like it's great it's bad really high um i had something to say it has a very like it is fishy like it has like a like um an acidic and salty aftertaste like fish like it was something i don't know maybe i'm describing it incorrectly um i am not guy fieri or who was the other one chef gordon ramsey um but it was okay would you describe it as umami no i would not um i heard andy also disagreeing with, which is correct because you're incorrect. Very excited about this. We are going to be joined right now by somebody I call a friend. I've known this man for, I want to say 10 years, but maybe it's 11. He can correct me.
Starting point is 01:05:19 I am nothing but a fan. Yes. I mean, the great Dennis of Submission Radio is is somebody I hold dearly. I think Submission Radio is a great outlet and format. And Dennis is is the face and the voice behind it now. Shout out to our friend Casper, who was part of that for a long, long time and is no longer. Hope he's doing well, focused on his health. But Dennis from Submission Radio is joining us from Sydney on the ground, has the intel. Dennis, welcome to the boys in the back. Eric, Connor. What's up, Dennis? You look great, man. Thanks, guys. Thank you. It's 6 a.m. here in Australia and I feel great. It's good to be here for my debut my debut on the program thank you so much by the way just quickly as well i just want to shout out casper he goes in for shoulder surgery in a couple of
Starting point is 01:06:10 weeks i just want to send him some positive thoughts he uh still does the live stuff when we do the live coverage um but he couldn't do it this time because he had his shoulder surgery coming up so just sending out some positive thoughts for him and a speedy recovery and then he'll be back on the next live one which will be fun love that shout out to our boy casper um truly hope surgery surgery goes well a few things housekeeping off the top things that i have to ask you dennis do you know when the first time uh we interacted was my recollection of this is you were reaching out uh in the early days of Mission Radio trying to get interviews and I connected you with I think the person was Henzo Gracie, but I'm not 100% sure when I was working in my capacity as a PR guy. And that was the first time I'd ever arranged something for somebody in Australia, because I remember it being quite difficult to kind of align on the time zones but that had to be 10 11 12 years ago because it was around metamorris um but you tell me do you remember or or do i care more about our friendship
Starting point is 01:07:11 than you do uh dude i obviously um obviously that's got to be true i mean we've known each other for so long it was long before the steroids the fast cars and the fast women so yeah it was a different dennis it was a different Dennis. It was a different Eric. And it was a special time, man. I can't believe it's been so long. I can't believe the time's flying so quickly. And for people that don't know, you're one of the nicest,
Starting point is 01:07:33 you know, funnest guys in the game. So it's been a real pleasure getting to have this relationship with your brother. I appreciate that. Another item that I need to know, I've known you for this long and we've talked about this. Shkaratov? How do we say the last name pronounce this for me so i can get it correct yeah man it's basically like a a james bond movie you know when the bad guy's there and he's like
Starting point is 01:07:57 do you expect me to talk and he's like no mr bond i expect you to die and then it's like so what is this what is this guy's name? It's like, his name is Denis Shkuratov. His name is Denis Shkuratov, and he is going to destroy the world one bad MMA interview at a time. No, the best MMA interviews. Also, with the accent, you're right,
Starting point is 01:08:18 it does sound very menacing. It sounds like you are somebody who knows how to do some damage. Yeah, the boys in the team used to call me Schnitzel over here in Australia because obviously strata isn't something that they're used to. And yeah, Schnitzel was a nickname that stuck with me for a while. I'm sorry to hear that. Okay, so let's get into UFC 312.
Starting point is 01:08:38 One of the most fascinating storylines for me is the difference between the fan sentiment around Sean Strickland, right? And you're there for the media events throughout this week. The fan sentiment for Sean Strickland when he's shown on screen, when he's at the press conference, and the immense support he has from the Australian fans, and then contrasted with how the government is kind of seeing him. We heard last time about the
Starting point is 01:09:05 difficulties with the visa. In fact, I think this time we have a social media post from Dana White showcasing that the Australian newspaper, the Daily Telegraph, the cover of their sports page is UFC's biggest imbecile and then a bunch of things that he's done to offend the Australian people and then asking for somebody to knock this guy out. So can you help set the table? Can you explain why there's such a chasm between what the fans feel for Sean Strickland and what seemingly like the government and the officials feel for Sean Strickland? Yeah, man. Great question, dude.
Starting point is 01:09:38 And that article, you know, that's written by someone we all know on media right here, a local journalist that's been here for a while. So the thing over here is it's a little bit like the UK. The newspapers here, they go with kind of like wild, wild headlines, and it's a little bit more entertainment than it is news a lot of the time. And unfortunately, in Australia, you know, they've been anti-MMA, anti-USC. You know, the cage wasn't legal for a really, really long time. People had to fight in a boxing ring because they thought the cage was literally going to be like a WWE death cage match.
Starting point is 01:10:12 And there's a big sentiment here still that it's like a blood sportleaning media source, which is in that newspaper, because usually that's a lot more towards the right. But left-leaning news outlets just sort of trying to recreate this whole, like, well, let's just ban these guys. They're ruining our country. Australia, you know, the problem with Australiaralia sometimes is you know we just you know ban people like eminem was banned can you believe that guys eminem was banned from coming to the country what did he do uh the guy at the time i believe his name was john howard who was the prime minister was just like his music is terrible he's banned from the country this has happened a lot you know we had a really long lockdown here as well.
Starting point is 01:11:05 It's one of those countries where sometimes things get a little wild. That headline, I know the journalist that wrote it, he's a good guy. Like, I know that when he would have written it, maybe there was more the entertainment element of it. Like, I don't think he really thought it was going to end up like this. But, yeah, man, these kinds of narratives don't really help the sport in the future i mean it does take one bad event one bad situation with the sean strickland or something that can really set the sport back so there are news outlets out there
Starting point is 01:11:37 looking to capitalize on that build on that um i think last time when sean was here and he punched the fan uh that didn't help and i know now the now the UFC apparently has like a full-time security guard walking around with him everywhere he goes just to make sure nothing happens. But I think his name's Luke or something. But yeah, it's one of those situations, man. They're always trying to kill off the UFC here for some reason, some of these news outlets. Okay, I have two quick follow-ups for that. Number one, what do you make of UFC Dana White promoting that? What do you make of them advertising basically like Australian government is feeling,
Starting point is 01:12:11 or at least this writer on behalf of kind of representing all of Australia in this regard, is feeling some type of way of Sean Strickland supporting him as this rebel figure? Is that an advisable move? Do you feel like it could potentially have some repercussions if something does happen and and now they're leaning further into this idea of sean strickland versus australia's like uh leadership yeah they're about to go up for an election and it looks like um it looks like we're going to go from labor to liberals that's more like the right uh the right party. And I think it's because people in Australia,
Starting point is 01:12:47 much, much like in America, you know, there's a lot of people that felt like they're being forgotten about, not listening to, aren't getting the opportunity to, to make a voice for themselves or they feel like they're forgotten about. So when Sean Strickland comes out and says,
Starting point is 01:12:58 Hey guys, let me tell you something. Here's the thing you guys, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 01:13:02 You know, that's why they're so supportive of it because like, oh, he's the guy that's kind of like cutting through that kind of red tape. And he's kind of being like, you know, freedom, free speech, this and that. So I think what's happening is Dana White and the UFC are like, oh wow, this guy's really over right now in Australia. He's the so-called Steve Austin of UFC 312. Let's jump behind it and sell a few more tickets because this thing isn't sold out.
Starting point is 01:13:23 You know, like the show isn't sold out. And from what I understand, people are like trying to sell their tickets because they're so expensive. They expected a better card. So maybe they're trying to jump on this whole Sean Strickland sort of face run that's happening before he probably eventually loses this weekend. Two things on that. You say Strickland is over going against DDP. Obviously, we've seen the fan support for him. Will he be the crowd favorite obviously ddp had to fight out of sanya there last time and was uh you know massively the
Starting point is 01:13:49 underdog in that one getting booed and getting cheered against do you think it's going to be similar on saturday night for him or sunday morning i guess in australia dude i couldn't believe did you guys see the press conference it went insane like i thought ddp was going to have more support than that people were absolutely ballistic for sean strickland i think it's going to be one of those situations where when he comes out he's going to get crazy crazy support a lot of cheers and then um as DDP takes over the fight and potentially finishes him towards the third or fourth round I think the fans are going to flip around and they're going to appreciate DDP for that and then he'll get cheers towards the end of the night so I think it's going to flip uh eventually a little bit like, you know, when Israel fought Sean as well,
Starting point is 01:14:26 like as Sean was starting to dominate the fight, people were starting to cheer and stuff as well. So it's one of those things in Australia, they just appreciate a good fight and after the fight, they'll cheer for whoever sort of puts on the good performance there. Back to what you said about it not being sold out and like, you know, some people looking to sell their tickets and everything like that.
Starting point is 01:14:42 What is the general excitement in Australia for this? Because on the global stage, this thing lacks a ton of buzz. Yeah, man. It's like, ooh, I'm trying to compare it to something. Like, it's pretty light, dude. Like, listen, I think the thing is, I think Dana White hit it on the head. I think he was doing an interview with someone, he liked Mark Burris or something, and he said,
Starting point is 01:15:02 what Australians want to see is not Australians fighting on the card, but international fighters coming down here that they don't get a chance to see regularly because it takes about five days to come from Australia to America, right? So it's like a lot of these guys on the card, the local guys, these are guys that fight locally all the time. So you can see them most of the time, you know, at Eternal, Hex, a lot of these local events. So the buzz isn't very high. And the thing is, I think DDP, obviously, he just fought here. So everyone's
Starting point is 01:15:32 already had a chance to see him in a more high profile fight with Israel. That was the big fight. And then Sean Strickland already fought here against Israel as well. So I think people kind of just wanted some fresh faces so they could say they got a chance to see them, you know? Yeah, totally get that. But would it have been helped if there was like some of the, like, let's say an Israel Adesanya from the Anzac, like, would it have been Israel Adesanya, Robert Whitaker? It's like Volkanovski. It's missing some of the guys who are from that. Would that have helped? Or do you feel, get the feeling that like even that might not have done it and we're looking for some of the fighters that we haven't seen before? Oh, dude, for sure.
Starting point is 01:16:08 If you get like a Dan Hooker, Alex Hokunovsky as well. But even like if they did that JDM-Ussman fight or a JDM, you know, whatever fight. And Robert Whittaker, yeah, he's like the new Mark Hunt where the UFC kind of relies on him to be on these cards as well. So that would have really turned it around i think not that there's anything wrong with whaley and suarez but you know i don't think people hear that across their careers and really know much about them and then you know the rest of the card well it's got a lot of great prospects and some exciting fighters from australia um yeah it just doesn't do it i think for you know your casual australian fans
Starting point is 01:16:44 who are just looking for big names so you're actually saying that with putting these local australian guys i think there's three australian dudes debuting i think there's eight fights beyond the main and co-main with australians in it so you're actually saying having these lower level guys on here isn't as exciting for the fans because they could just go see them elsewhere yeah like it's one of those things where for the local guys, it's better to have guys come in overseas and give them the rub by having, you know, them on the same stage as, you know, whatever, as a big name like an Islam or whatever.
Starting point is 01:17:16 That always helps those guys sort of grow in profile. And I think, yeah, for sure, man. Like, have a look at the records of most of the guys on that card. Like, not long ago, they were just fighting just here somewhere. So it doesn't help. Who is the face of Australian MMA right now? Like, is it still Volkanov? Like, who is the guy that is carrying the flag?
Starting point is 01:17:37 Is it Rob? Was it ever not Rob? Like, I have trouble kind of determining that. Like, give me a sense of if they were to bring one fighter here to headline, who is that fighter and what is the difference between them and the next closest? Yeah, that's a great question, man. I think Alex Korkunovsky still holds that crown. Like, everybody absolutely loves that guy.
Starting point is 01:18:00 And it's really cool. Like, I saw he signed some big sponsorship deals just recently um so he's he's hotter than ever so um yeah everybody absolutely loves that guy i think he holds the mantle right now i think um you know robert whitaker he's always someone that's due to people's hearts as well but i do think it's alex slofanovsky at the moment i'm trying to think i think where does jdm i was gonna say whereM. fit into that? Like, is he the next guy up? Is he the one who could potentially carry the torch forward?
Starting point is 01:18:27 He doesn't like to do interviews. He doesn't really like to speak. He doesn't really like to get out there. I know he's coming in today. He's going to be doing interviews, but I know that, like, the general sentiment is, like,
Starting point is 01:18:37 this is not a guy that enjoys interviews. This is not a guy that wants to really talk. He got that injury, that really bad injury in the infection, and I think that really
Starting point is 01:18:44 set him back. I think if he would have been back there sooner and, you know, gotten a couple of wins by now, that would have changed. He's one of those guys where his fighting does all the talking. And if he's not fighting, then there's no talking, you know? So we've got the big Leon Edwards fight. I think if he goes out there and beats Leon Edwards, that changes. I think he really captures the younger demo, the TikToker MMA demo, the guys that are with the cool street style and know what's going on. I know they all love JDM. StreetX, for example, is the brand he works with, and those guys are really, really cool.
Starting point is 01:19:14 So I think he's positioned to be the next big thing. But, yeah, he at the moment really doesn't talk or do many interviews. When he does do interviews, it's kind of like one-word answers. So I think a couple more fights will get him there who should we be excited for on this card is it is it uh volksboy thickness is it uh is it south scout kid who like who of these guys that are relative unknowns on the global scene should we be excited for coming from australia well yeah that's just a thing like there's a lot there's gonna be a lot of questions answered come this weekend when you think about this card.
Starting point is 01:19:45 For example, you've got Jake Matthews on there. He got signed super young. He's been in the UFC for 11 years now. He keeps winning one, losing one, winning one, losing one. And now that he's 30 years old, I think it's one of those kind of like the shit will get off the pot moments where it's like, dude, what's happening? I love Jake Matthews but i i have this feeling
Starting point is 01:20:05 like the guy just got signed when he was too young he didn't get a chance to properly mature outside of the ufc and he had to grow up in the ufc and now he's in this weird situation where it's like dude you're 30 it's time to go you know so he's got a big fight with francisco prado of course jimmy cruz he took a break from the sport because he had an unhealthy obsession with it. He said that, you know, it basically, in his mind, the type of person he was, was assimilated with the fact that, like, whether he was winning or losing fights. So he's gone out. He's, you know, found his faith. And now he's coming back.
Starting point is 01:20:37 And he really needs this win as well. He, you know, he had a great run before he sort of started having some of those issues. You got Tom Nolan, Jonathan McAuliffe, Dustin Taffer. Qualen is an interesting guy from the tournament, a man who's fighting Kev Juse from CKB. But I think the one guy for me, like you said, Connor, is Colby Sickness, man. This guy is a champion down here in Hex. He has been trying to get as many fights as he can all over the world.
Starting point is 01:21:04 People know he's been training with Alex Volkanovsky now for about 11 to 13 years. And now here we go. He's fighting Tapura's brother. Tapura, Ilya Tapura is going to be in the corner. Volk is going to be in the corner. And it's interesting because their styles, you know, Colby, he takes his time. He goes in there. He likes to measure out his opponents and then implement his game plan later on in the fight. And I'm guessing Alex Tupura, well, speaking to his coach this week, he says that Alex is going to go in there and knock Colby out. I'm thinking Alex Tupura, from what I understand, is going to try and implement an Ilya Tupura-type game plan, go out there and try to knock Colby out straight away. So there is definitely a potential of, you know,
Starting point is 01:21:46 either Tepur going out there and shocking everyone and, you know, making his name known in that division. And do we have another Tepur going for a title? Or is Colby going to go out there and event Alex Okunovsky? And then do we see Ilya Tepur and Alex Okunovsky in the octagon together? And then does Alex go, hey, man, give me my fight. What is going on? I would love to see Alex and Ilya in the octagon together
Starting point is 01:22:06 because that would mean at some point we're getting closer to that fight, which I don't quite understand if we are close to that fight or not close to that fight. It seems like it could have been made at this point. But Ilya keeps talking about 55. I really hope Alex does get that shot. I think it's deserved, and I think that would be a fantastic fight. And as you said, Alex is still the man in Australia,
Starting point is 01:22:26 so if he's able to reclaim that title, I think that's a market that they continue to come back to would be massive for them. Um, but don't forget all the guys in the back end. I will keep saying this. There's more storylines going on in the hotel than there are on the card. Oh, tell us,
Starting point is 01:22:39 tell us more, tell us more. Well, dude, you got a hums out rocking up to Sydney today. Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know he was coming. Oh, he's hereza rocking up to Sydney today. Oh, shit. I didn't know that. Oh, I didn't know he was coming.
Starting point is 01:22:47 Oh, he's here, baby. He's here. We're on. So he's coming to Sydney. I think it's today. He's definitely there tomorrow. And I asked Dana White, well, is he going to be at the show? And Dana didn't look like he even really knew about it.
Starting point is 01:22:59 But, yeah, there's posters out there. He's supposed to be doing seminars. He's going to be around. Is he going to cross paths with Sean Strickland at some point? Is he going to be there in the fight? Is he going to jump in the octagon if Sean Strickland wins and there's going to be a pull-apart brawl? Who knows about that?
Starting point is 01:23:13 Alex Pereira is going to be in Sean Strickland's corner. DDP's been trying to fight Alex Pereira now for a while. His coach has told me that Alex Pereira is actually the guy that they want a number of times. Is DDP going to say some crap to Alex Pereira if he knocks out Sean Strickland about, hey, I'm coming for you in a couple of fights after Hamzat? What's going to happen there? That's going to be interesting, too.
Starting point is 01:23:32 Obviously, you've got Volko floating around. You've got Charles Oliveira floating around. And I know Ilya wants to fight Charles Oliveira. They're just hanging around at the hotel together. Yeah, there's a lot going on in the back end here, boys. There's a lot cooking on the back end. And I don't know what's going to happen on fight night but i could potentially see some interesting situations happen very interesting situations uh you've you've just laid out some very interesting scenarios i'm almost like i want i want the direct feed for
Starting point is 01:23:59 the from the hotel i want to know what happens when hamza checks in and all of a sudden even the cctv footage in the hotel as well um okay i wish we started there like what what insights there from you dennis all right rapid fire real quick uh one who's gonna win the main event what's your prediction for that i have to go with that for starters i just think he can't ignore the staff infection that it's naming week sean's gone through that looks wild he's going to need his cardio and i i honestly i love sean i love eric nixick obviously he's a friend but i think to me when i look at this fight and the adjustments that need to be made i can see ddp overwhelming sean maybe getting him down and maybe trying to lock in some kind of submission later on or stunning him getting him down and maybe capitalizing on that i just think when it comes to the changes that need to be made
Starting point is 01:24:48 with ddp you can sort of add a couple extra shots change a couple things around he maybe takes a little bit less damage towards the start of the fight he said it was a mistake just standing there in round one and then i can see him you know potentially stunning and stopping sean towards the end of the fight i just see that more likely than, you know, Sean avoiding DDP the entire fight like a scalpel, like the scalpel that he says he is, without moving backwards so the judges don't score it against him and being able to capitalize for five rounds. It's just hard to do.
Starting point is 01:25:16 If you're on your back foot against DDP for five rounds, honestly, how do you win, you know, fellas? Yeah, I think we broke it down earlier. We feel pretty similarly okay number two bkfc just announced that they're coming to australia um yeah i want to know who you need to see on that card and now before you answer this can be anybody this can be fighters it can also be media members people that you're perhaps friends with people that you know that have fought for bkfc, but no pressure. It can be anybody
Starting point is 01:25:46 in the world, but also it can be media members, it can be people that you're friends with, people that have fought for BKFC before, that you might be aware of, that you'd like to see compete again. Who do you want to see on the Australia card for BKFC? Well, listen, there's a guy called Oscar Willis that I don't know if you guys...
Starting point is 01:26:01 Oh, Oscar, that's a good one. And as soon as I saw this card was done, I started in the back sort of trying to get him to sign on to this. So who knows? I'm campaigning right now for you fellas. I'm lobbying for you fellas. I'm doing the best I can for you fellas. So let's see what I can do throughout the week.
Starting point is 01:26:18 But wouldn't it be great to see him fly down under? I think that would be fantastic. The other guy outside of Oscar is obviously Mark Hunt. You know, it's time for him to, I mean, I know that he's wanted to fight for BKFC for a while. I think it makes sense to have him down here and fighting in Perth. I think Perth is where it's going to be. So I think he would be great as well.
Starting point is 01:26:37 It makes sense. Obviously, you've got Beck. He's Aussie too. So, yeah, who knows? Who knows who else they can throw in there, man? You get John Wayne's hard-of-court to jump in there, man. You get John Wayne Hardipot to jump in their knuckle. Who knows? That's tasty.
Starting point is 01:26:49 Mark Hunt, natural fit with Ben Rothwell. If they can re-sign him, that'd be a great fight. I love that answer. Okay, last thing. He told me Mark Hunt that he wants to do it. So let's see what happens. Last thing. What are we doing wrong with the Vegemite?
Starting point is 01:27:04 How do we as a nation enjoy this? What is our shortcoming? Because I feel like it's on our side. We've all given it a crack. We just can't get there. What is the problem? What do we need to do differently? Look, it's like that Chelsan
Starting point is 01:27:19 in Primo when he was calling out Anderson Silva. Vegemiteite you absolutely suck i love it i can't do vegemite man i'll if i have too much i'll have a stroke i don't know are you still alive man did you have an aneurysm i i can't do it i i uh i looked at it i think it's i keep eating it a big spoonful and ending up in the hospital. They do Marmite in New Zealand. They do Vegemite in Australia. And I put it all in the bin in my house and point cook. So that's my answer to that.
Starting point is 01:27:51 Yeah, someone's buying it. Someone's buying it and eating it. I don't know who it is, but someone's doing it. A lot of sickos out there, Connor. A lot of sickos. Dennis, thank you so much for joining us, man. We really, really appreciate it. Thanks for getting up early.
Starting point is 01:28:04 I know it's not easy. I've told you this personally, Dennis, thank you so much for joining us, man. We really, really appreciate it. Thanks for getting up early. I know it's not easy. I've told you this personally, Dennis, many times. I think you're great at what you do. I think you're one of the best interviewers in the sport. If you haven't already, check out their YouTube channel, Submission Radio. One of the best names. I think it is. Is that the right URL?
Starting point is 01:28:21 Thank you so much, guys. Yeah, I'm doing a thing that no one's watching at the moment called MMAma guess who so we've got a few episodes that are dropping during fight week here you guys like guess who watch me lose over and over and over until i eventually jump off a cliff and probably yeah you guys won't see me again but until that happens check that out on the submission radio youtube channel amazing thank you so much for joining us so much brother enjoy the fights you guys are killing it thank you so much thanks brother us, Dennis. Thanks so much, brother. Enjoy the fights. You guys are killing it. Thank you so much. Thanks, brother. Wow, a little intel there.
Starting point is 01:28:48 Hamza Shamaya is going to be at the hotel or something like that. We might really get some scenes. Forget the hotel. Hop's in the cage. Imagine if he hops in the cage. After the fight. Now we're talking. Man, I'm about to start sweating.
Starting point is 01:28:59 This is all I wanted. Now it's shaping up. This is all I wanted. Now it's shaping up a little bit. Oh, boy. You don't like Taliesin Teixeira versus Justin Taffet don't worry
Starting point is 01:29:07 we're getting Hamza Chemaev in the cage I also don't mind the idea of we're gonna have Ilya and Volk in the same spot let's please just like talk about how we can get
Starting point is 01:29:15 toward this fight like it just seems like every day we're getting like it's on but it's maybe not on and Ilya's talking about a new weight class like
Starting point is 01:29:23 even Dennis talked about, like he's been calling out Charles Oliveira, please let's just like get a date for this. I know Ariel on the show yesterday was talking about, it makes a lot of sense to be in Miami. Let's just get it on the books. It's time. Like Ilya Volk rematch.
Starting point is 01:29:38 We'll move on from there. But them being in the same arena and very respectful, very respectful of each other. I know that they're going to be cordial. And yeah, I think we're going to get some discussion. I think we're at least going to get a picture. I think we're at least going to get a picture. We'll get a face-off or something.
Starting point is 01:29:52 Can you imagine if they face off? It feels like they would be stealing the moment from whoever wins the fight. No. What do you mean? No, no, no. I'm sorry. Not in the cage. Like a social media.
Starting point is 01:30:03 No, no, no, no, no. Good thickness. He wins and then it's just like right now goes to the face off of them too uh yeah so like we we've talked about like the card isn't like the deepest card in the world yeah but i do think some of the fights will be exciting like seven i believe it's seven of the 13 fights are the odds are for it to not go to a decision so i think we could get exciting lower level you know like early on in their career guys might go for it to not go to a decision. So I think it could get exciting. Lower level, you know, like early on in their career, guys might go for it more. The main card,
Starting point is 01:30:28 like when it comes to a name standpoint, is not great, the other three. But like Taliesin Teixeira, all of his fights have ended in round one, going up against the heavyweight. It's going to be a wild size differential in there. Yeah. The Jimmy Crute fight,
Starting point is 01:30:42 you know, obviously his fights are always chaotic. I think it's like eight of his nine in the UFC have not gone into decision. Same thing with Bellotto, like 13 of his 14. So I think there could be some excitement
Starting point is 01:30:50 on the rest of the main card leading into the two championship bouts. Yeah, I agree with you. And I think what naturally kind of happens, it was fascinating to hear Dennis kind of talk about like,
Starting point is 01:31:01 yeah, these are guys that you've probably seen on like the local scene. I'd never thought about that. Not too many fights ago. I was like, oh, this are guys that you've probably seen on like the local scene not too many fights ago. I was like, oh, this is like cool that they got McAuliffe and Sal killed on here.
Starting point is 01:31:11 Like, this will be nice to the Australian fans and it's actually like, no, we've seen him fight in Hex Fight League. Here's where it's not good. It's not good because if you're the more casual fan,
Starting point is 01:31:19 you're not going, man, I really need to buy a ticket to see that guy because you just paid 15 bucks instead of 500 bucks and you just saw that guy. Here's where it is good, though. If you're a more hardcore fan
Starting point is 01:31:30 or you're somebody who's a fan of theirs directly, now you're in the building and if they start racking up some KO, KO after KO after KO, sub, finish, whatever, the energy starts to build. We've seen this before. Actually, I believe it was the last Drikus and Strickland fight.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Was that not the headliner in Toronto? That Canada went crazy? It was that or it was 289? One of them. There was one where it was not a deep card and people were like, ah, this card sucks.
Starting point is 01:31:59 But the Canadian fighters started to rack up some victories and there were finishes and finishes and finishes and all of a sudden it kind of crescendos. I could see something similar happening here. It was 289.
Starting point is 01:32:09 Okay. With Jihabi and Nelson and Jazdiches and Malat. And like everyone ended up one. MAB won. I think 287 was actually like the. A bad night for Canada. I think it was the disaster one. I think that's when Malat got his first loss against Magny.
Starting point is 01:32:21 Yep. Yeah. MAB lost. Yeah. Brad Katona lost. Charles Jourdain lost. We'll forget about that one. We'll forget about that one. They're actually rerunning that MAB lost. Yeah. Brad Katona lost. Charles Jourdain lost. We'll forget about that one. We'll forget about that one.
Starting point is 01:32:27 They're actually rerunning that in the gym this morning. I was in there, and I was like, from across the gym, I was like, is that Marc-Andre Barrio? Chris Curtis? It's like, why is this on right now? It's like 6.15 in the morning. Great shout, though. Great shout. Oh, maybe because it's the first fight.
Starting point is 01:32:43 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they replayed the entire card on ESPN News um but uh yeah i think there i think there can be some momentum there i think if the australian fighter starts a role the australian fans you automatically have someone to cheer for if you're just there let's go to the ufc pay-per-view tonight and then you go and it's just like oh this guy's australian i know who i'm cheering for like you're always going to get the pop especially if they come out draped in the flag and everything 100 now having said all that the most interesting storylines are the two the two main event and co-main event fights and you're always going to get the pop, especially if they come out draped in the flag and everything. A hundred percent. Now, having said all that, the most interesting storylines are the two main event and co-main event
Starting point is 01:33:08 fights. And then it sounds like what could happen at the hotel. Sounds like what could happen backstage. And then, and then Alexandre Teporia versus, versus thickness is, is interesting just because you're going to get the two guys in the corner. He's saying that thickness is the most exciting prospect from Australia on
Starting point is 01:33:22 the card. And then Teporia obviously is like, do we have the next DePoria? Is there another one? Well, we already have the next DePoria, obviously, because it's his brother. But is he as good as Ilya? Can he even hold a flame to Ilya? We shall see.
Starting point is 01:33:34 You know, it's a pay-per-view card. Kind of. Yeah, sort of. Doesn't look like other ones. We got two championship outs on Saturday night. Yeah, we got two great fights. Can't wait for it. UFC 3-1-2.
Starting point is 01:33:47 I feel like that's the Aussie thing to do. To see the numbers out? Yeah. Yeah, I've been trying to get better about that. I've been trying to pick up on that more. UFC 3-1-2 on Saturday. We'll be watching it right here. You can watch us for the watch party Saturday.
Starting point is 01:33:57 We'll go live at 9.45 p.m. right here on this very channel, in this very studio, in more comfortable chairs. And we'll watch it. We'll watch what happens on the main card. One other bit of fight news, of combat news to get into before we dive into picks. The Ring had learned that Terrence Crawford versus Canelo Alvarez was on and it was going to happen at Allegiant Stadium.
Starting point is 01:34:19 I think we need to bring up the tweets because we need to follow the saga in real time. February 3rd at 9.33 a.m., Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford now has an agreement in place for a September mega fight on a re-ed season card in Las Vegas. The ring has learned. Wow. Big, huge news. Huge. Then we go to the next one. Not only have they learned it's happening, it's also happening at Allegiant Stadium. This is still on February 3rd, about 12 hours after that. It's like, wow.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Canelo Crawford, re-ed season, Allegiant Stadium, September, and then we get the news last night, this morning. Last night, at around 1027,
Starting point is 01:34:57 the planned Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence Crawford fight is now off. The ring has also learned. Yeah, just quite a roller coaster there where it's like we're getting one of the fights that everybody's been clamoring for. It's going to be in a big stadium.
Starting point is 01:35:11 There's been infinite pieces of content brought out about it. We on this show have covered it many times talking about it, what a big fight it could be. And then we learned today that it's off. I didn't see much. Whoa, whoa, whoa. And then I'm seeing right now
Starting point is 01:35:24 via Happy Punch, via Ring Magazine, it's off i i didn't see much um whoa whoa whoa and then i'm saying oh right now uh via happy punch via ring magazine eddie heard and said he was told canelo alvarez versus jake paul is a quote-unquote done deal oh so i had i had a sneaky uh i had a sneaky well like i literally just opened twitter and that was the first thing i love it. I love it. We're doing it live. I had a sneaky suspicion that this was related to the rumors of Jake Paul versus Canelo Alvarez because and Ariel has made this point
Starting point is 01:35:53 like what happens if Jake Paul beats Canelo, right? Do you have a problem on your hands where now you're putting Canelo in a fight with Terrence Crawford when he's a diminished product? Oh, you can't do the Crawford fight if he loses to Jake Paul. I think it's safer
Starting point is 01:36:07 for the parties involved at Leon's season to say like- It's off. We're off. We're not on. But then should- We just happen to have
Starting point is 01:36:16 Allegiant Stadium booked for September 13th. Should Canelo clear Jake Paul- Should Canelo Alvarez get past Jake Paul? And we know that's daunting. And we know that that's a tough task. Should he get past him, then I think
Starting point is 01:36:28 we will probably be back on. That's my guess. Again, I have no inside knowledge here. I'm not Ariel. I do not have the report here. Correct. We are amateurs and we are not journalists. I'm speculating fully. We are yappers. We are actually producers just yapping out here in the front. But Eddie Hearn,
Starting point is 01:36:44 it says, as i'm hearing canelo versus paul is a is done okay so now we have to react to that what he told the ring magazine um so that your theory that makes me feel like it's correct that they are now saying that crawford canelo is off because of the jake paul fight so you don't want to say like yeah he's gonna you know he's just gonna do a pit stop and fight Jake Paul. And then he's going to go fight Crawford in September. Yeah, it diminishes both fights, in my opinion, to a certain degree, right?
Starting point is 01:37:11 Because if you know that Canelo has a date with another pound for pound top boxer, it kind of makes the like the Jake Paul aspect feel like a bit of a spectacle, a bit of a sideshow. Let's be real, it kind of is. And then if you're the Canelo and Crawford side of that equation,
Starting point is 01:37:26 you know, what happens in the Jake Paul fight is going to be consequential regardless of whether Canelo's victorious or not. Again, I think he will be victorious. I've gone on record. I said it Monday, Tuesday, one of those days. There's not a chance in hell that Jake Paul is going to be Canelo Alvarez. Zero, none, zip, less than zero. Whatever that number is, negative numbers go back as far as you can possibly go. There's not a chance in hell. If he's motivated, he will take Jake Paul out in one round. But Canelo gets injured. Canelo slips on a banana peel. The fight gets canceled and then they have to move Jake Paul to later in the year. All of a sudden, those plans get a little bit murky. And so I think the safer option
Starting point is 01:38:04 and the right option is to kind of shelve this one for now and then wait until we have an understanding of what happens with Jake Paul. If that is, again, we're now relying on what Eddie Hearn has said when he is not the one who is announcing this fight, right? I imagine we'd hear from MVP or Canelo when this fight is going to be officially announced. But Jake Paul versus Canelo is kind of crazy. It's kind of a crazy fight. What do you mean it's kind of crazy? It's crazy that this dude has essentially spoken into existence, him fighting Canelo Alvarez.
Starting point is 01:38:37 And, like, Canelo is going to win the fight. If it happens, Canelo is going to win the fight. I'm just going to say that point. Are you sure? He's going to win the fight. Are it happens, Canelo's going to win the fight. I'm just going to say that point. Are you sure? He's going to win the fight. Are you giving, like, a hundred percent?
Starting point is 01:38:48 I give a hundred percent chance. I say a hundred percent chance. Okay. But, like, say on the extra one percent, like, just like,
Starting point is 01:38:54 what is it? There's the hundred and one, the hundred percent. I mean, it would be the craziest thing I've ever seen. Would it be the biggest upset in sports?
Starting point is 01:39:01 Is that bigger than Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson? Yes, a hundred. Has to be. A hundred percent. I don't care what the odds say, that would be one of the craziest things I Douglas, Mike Tyson? Yes, 100%. It has to be. 100%.
Starting point is 01:39:05 I don't care what the odds say. That would be one of the craziest things I've ever seen. No, no, it's way bigger. It's way bigger. That would be one of the craziest things I've ever seen. Yeah, no, it's an impossibility at this point. There is not a reality. I cannot fathom a reality.
Starting point is 01:39:18 You know how, like, in the Avengers, was it Endgame? I think it was Endgame, where Doctor Strange is doing, like, all the possible realities, and then he finds the one where they're able to defeat Thanos, and Tony Stark gets the glove. There is not a reality. There is none. There's none out there. I've explored them. I've seen
Starting point is 01:39:37 every possible universe, every possible timeline. Jake Paul will never beat Canelo Alvarez. If that were to come true, the fabric of reality would unravel. There would be nothing left for us because we would disintegrate as the rest of the universe does. There's no chance. None, zero. Canelo could limp in there on his worst day and he's going to beat Jake Paul. I can't fathom it. It's just not possible. You are cutting a promo right now. They're going to use you for the most valuable promotion.
Starting point is 01:40:05 That's fine. Promo for the fight. And it's going to be like Jake Paul hitting pads to you saying this. And then like you in black and white, like looking devilish. Like the UFC did to me. They're going to have some filter on you that makes you look angrier, sound angrier. He will never beat Canelo Alvarez. They're going to use that.
Starting point is 01:40:24 They're going to cut that part of you saying that out and put that in there. Canelo minus 1,500 value? Yeah, value at minus 15,000. There's not a number you could tell me that there's not value. Yeah. And I actually think it's going to get a ton of eyes because a lot of people want to see Jake Paul lose. Oh, absolutely. Jake Paul, I think people have a very hard time. I do not. People have a hard time separating like what Jake Paul is doing in terms of for just how long he's been in the sport, which is not very long at all.
Starting point is 01:41:07 Like he is clearly somebody that puts in the time and has developed enough skills to the point that at somebody at his stage in the career, like he's doing pretty decently as a boxer. He's fighting guys. Now, granted, he's not facing the toughest competition, but nobody in boxing at the record that he has is truly facing the toughest competition. I'm leaving the Mike Tyson thing aside. That was a bit of a farce. It wasn't really a fight. Let's separate that. But then there's the entertainment element. Then there's the promoter element. Then there's the spectacle, the guy who is delivering big events. There is nobody right now doing it bigger and better than Jake Paul. He just had the biggest sporting event on Netflix that you could possibly have to the point that they're salivating for the next opportunity to do this. I don't know better than Jake Paul. He just had the biggest sporting event on Netflix that you could possibly
Starting point is 01:41:45 have to the point that they're salivating for the next opportunity to do this. I don't know where this fight will ultimately land. It would make a lot of sense for Netflix to be like, yeah, let's do another big, huge, massive Jake Paul fight. Again, I don't know where it'll ultimately end up. I wouldn't be surprised if it's there or somewhere else that is willing to pay a pretty penny for it. But nobody is doing this in quite the same way that Jake Paul is. He has an ability to create these fights. Dude, he went from Nate Robinson and Ben Askren in Little Arenas on Triller to Mike Tyson on Netflix, and now it's, according to Eddie Hearn,
Starting point is 01:42:17 against Canelo, a pound-for-pound great of this generation. Top four at worst pound-for-pound in terms of all-time great status even ahead of some of those other guys that are ahead of them on the pound for pound list right now somebody who is a name that if the most hardcore boxing fan hears they know exactly what that means or if the most casual boxing fan hears they knows exactly what that means canelo alvarez is a household name is a global superstar product and jake paul is is organizing a fight for him so it's crazy and like and nothing's off the table at this point oh yeah we'll find mike tyson a cowboy stadium yeah we'll fight canelo at a legion or wherever this is going to take place at like there's
Starting point is 01:42:54 nothing off the table for him at this point all after he was able to make a fight with mike tyson happen there's not a name you could tell me that I'd be like shocked anymore. The fact that he had a fight with Mike Tyson on pay-per-view, sorry, on Netflix, to me, like the ceiling has come off what the possibilities are. I'm not at, I don't think this Canelo fight will has as much global appeal as Mike Tyson, just because of so many different age groups having an affinity for Mike Tyson. So many people knowing him that the, but enough people know Canelo Alvarez that this will be a mat. And, and we asked this of each other and Ariel asked this clearly the bigger
Starting point is 01:43:34 fight is Jake Paul versus Canelo when compared to Terrence Crawford versus Canelo. Do you agree with that? Yes. So right now we're looking at one of the biggest fights that Canelo could take, in my opinion, the biggest fight that Canelo could take because the other alternative is like another pound for pound great or a David Benavidez, who everybody thinks is the guy that could potentially dethrone Canelo. It seems like they're on different paths right now, but there's nothing bigger than a Jake Paul fight at this moment in time.
Starting point is 01:43:57 In terms of eyeballs and money and everything with it. Yeah, I agree with you and so this is a it's like simultaneously an expected kind of scenario and also it's still a crazy scenario to think that now jake paul is getting in there now there will be the calls that again he's fighting a smaller man right jake paul is not a small jake paul is not a small boy and uh canelo is going to be outsized in this fight again i'm on record i don't think that matters. I don't think it, the years of experience that Canelo has had, the years he spent sharpening and honing his tools, you cannot make that up in a short amount of time. You cannot do that. You cannot fast track that. You can fast track the spectacle. You can fast track how big the events are in a way that Jake
Starting point is 01:44:41 Paul has. What you can't fast track is the skillset that Canelo has developed over the years of being a pound for pound great. And so I ultimately think that will be the difference in the fight. But from a entertainment perspective, this is what I want Jake Paul to be doing. This is what I have craved for Jake Paul to be doing. And now he just continues to elevate it. Let me see if I can get any odds on it right now. I mean, there's been enough talk about it. Some of these books might start listing them. Frank, what do you make of it? We're over here saying 100% chance of Canelo Alvarez beating Jake Paul.
Starting point is 01:45:11 That's your boy. You can't stand up for him at all? I just have a giant smile on my face because when you guys are proven wrong, I'll be cashing that ticket and bringing up all these receipts. All right, I do have odds. I have odds. Oh boy, tell me. Yeah right, I do have odds. I have odds.
Starting point is 01:45:25 Oh boy, tell me. Yeah, let's hear the odds. Canelo Alvarez. Drum roll. Minus 4,000. Jesus. That's still a value. Jake Paul plus 1,400.
Starting point is 01:45:37 I'm trying to just figure out if I sell my car. If you sell the house. Another mortgage. Listen, honey. We're going to do three nights in a hotel. We'll sell the house. Everything Listen honey We're gonna do We're gonna do Three nights in a hotel We'll sell the house
Starting point is 01:45:47 Everything up Minus 4,000 Canelo It's just It's just you with The Jon Hamm meme Smoking a cigarette Canelo minus 4,000
Starting point is 01:45:56 This is how we reside It's an impossibility It is truly an impossibility How about retirement plan To retirement plan The Jake Paul minus 200 Against Mike Tyson Straight into the Canelo
Starting point is 01:46:04 Minus 4,000 We blew we have to we blew the we blew the jake paul versus mike tyson to pull the to pull the the curtain back we put an obscene amount of money on jake paul and we're regretful we did not put more um jake this is the brilliance of jake paul and this was the brilliance of money mayweather and many before. It's not like it started with Mayweather. I just think Mayweather was the best at capitalizing on it. There are people like me who are like, Jake Paul cannot win. There is no way he can win.
Starting point is 01:46:39 And that's a win for Jake Paul because you want those people. You want the people that are the detractors, that the ones that go, there's no chance in hell. There's no chance in hell. There's no chance in hell. And then you want the other side. Who's all behind him. If you only had fans. Or you only had detractors. Your audience would be half the size.
Starting point is 01:46:53 If you can capitalize on both of them. And that's what Jake Paul has been able to do brilliantly. Because the ones like me. Are beating the drum. And talking about it. And giving it more attention. And giving it air time. And now that's elevating the fight.
Starting point is 01:47:04 And then the people that support Jake Paul. Like Frank blindly, who believes that he's going to win, but even though he knows he's not, um, that is also elevating and putting wind into the sail of Jake Paul and putting wind into the fight. Like again, entertainment perspective, there's nobody quite doing it like him at this moment. I'm not going to claim that like he's a bigger combat sports star than like a McGregoror but mcgregor is not fighting like in reality mcgregor hasn't fought in a long time and has been sidelined in the fight space right now he is the biggest name he is the biggest draw he is the biggest appeal he he is doing things that nobody else can do and what a year canelo alvarez could have if he ends up fighting
Starting point is 01:47:39 jake paul and then goes and fights terence crawford massive payday for as a day paid day as good as it gets. We also have some additional breaking news. Oh, what do we got? Can we hit the music? Yes. Jon Jones has taken to Twitter. And we thought this was going to be
Starting point is 01:47:57 pulled over our eyes. He's made the announcement. Uh-oh. In 24 hours, I will be making a huge announcement. He tweeted at 3.06 p.m. Eastern Standard Time yesterday. We have received that tweet. While this may not be a traditional fight for me, it's obvious that too many Americans are being hurt and forced into medical debt
Starting point is 01:48:14 or bankruptcy by a health care system so greedy that hospitals and insurers hide their actual prices so they can charge us whatever they want. Their estimates are bullshit, and the corporate greed in American health care is breaking people and families across the United states i've seen it countless times in my own community where i have friends family and neighbors who are afraid to get even eat to even get the care they need because the entire system without real prices up front is dishonest and rigged for corporate profit time to hold these health care bullies accountable power to the people power to the patients at power to the patients and he
Starting point is 01:48:45 included a video mock press conference uh as is as if he was signing with uh with power to the patients i'm just seeing our slack messages here because i don't know what power to the patients is it seems like jordan can you speak to this have you looked into the materials prices are now a patient's right oh yeah go ahead jordan. I mean, I'm quickly looking into it. I have texted with a friend of mine who's an emergency room doctor who hadn't heard of it, but just from a quick look
Starting point is 01:49:13 at their website, they seem to want to make hospital pricing and insurers more upfront and try to take the cost down, which on the surface, obviously, seems well and good. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:49:24 Obviously, we were literally just talking all week how there's just so much bad news coming out of MMA. If this is the case and that's really their true mission, which I really hope it is, it's actually some good news. You know, Jon Jones using his voice and some of these other people for some good. So I haven't done enough research to know 100% about it, but that is my surface level knowledge.
Starting point is 01:49:47 I appreciate that. This is not an endorsement of Power to the Patients because we don't actually know. I have no idea what Power to the Patients does. And if it does what you said, then that is great. It is just like it's clearly just tactical marketing. Yeah. And also it's a bit of what we saw with the Paul brothers, right? It's like release a poster that seems like it's going to be a fight, and then...
Starting point is 01:50:07 But no one bought this. Johnny Bones, this is from Power to the Patient's Twitter, is stepping into the ring for his most important fight yet. The fight for real prices and transparency in healthcare. Fox News article, my next opponent will be the American healthcare system. This is just like, I mean, we knew this is what it was going to be. Something along these lines. A sponsorship opportunity.
Starting point is 01:50:29 We knew it would not be a fight, right? That's the one thing we did know. We knew that Jon Jones was not going on Twitter to announce his fight. Yeah, this is a fight. Let's also be clear. This is just a sponsorship. It's a partnership. It's a money-making opportunity for Jones as well. Now, to Jordan's point, I mean, it's kind's a money-making opportunity for jones as well now to jordan's point like i
Starting point is 01:50:45 mean it's kind of a topical issue right we've shared the united healthcare in the news uh i would imagine it's better than him partnering with like monster energy but like also i don't know much about yeah we we we need to see more um as connor laid out like kind of an expected route right we thought this might be some kind of partnership opportunity and that's what it ended up being. Don't know enough about it. Hopefully we can get more clarity on it and John can speak on it. But
Starting point is 01:51:09 yeah, maybe they can do some good. Who knows? John is using his platform. So we'll see. Yeah. I feel like it's just like the fact that it just immediately followed the Paul brothers doing it. Everyone was doing the like, hey, got some big news. Also, he was he was never gonna be like i have an announcement in 24 hours and this is what i'm i'm gonna write the tom aspinall fight i had many friends who are like
Starting point is 01:51:32 not deep into the mma space hit me up and they were like is this the aspinall fight i'm like no no okay well this is we will get the aspinall fight from a vertical video held by one dana white in his what's up guys what's up everybody um the funny part about that is earlier you said and I was thinking this as you said it you're like we all knew what this was going to be and I was thinking to myself do the casuals actually know because it sounds like they didn't I actually got like three or four Instagram DMs from like my boys from college or just like friends around the city and they're're just like, is this the Tommy fight? I'm just like, no. I really was hoping for a meme coin, though.
Starting point is 01:52:09 I really was. I was hoping. I'm glad to see this instead of a meme coin. I was hoping to put some money in dollar sign meat. Johnny Meat opens up dollar sign meat. You're loving the meat, the Johnny Meat. Shout out. I need a shirt that says Johnny Meat. Crazy work.
Starting point is 01:52:21 Shout out to Jon Jones. Shout out to Jake Paul. Wild stuff. Shout out to Canelo Alvarez. Jake Paul and Canelo, per Eddie Hearn. Done deal. Hey, power to the patience, man. Power to the patience.
Starting point is 01:52:32 All right, let's get into some picks. Parlay Pals. We've got Pizzi returning after a tough, tough week. Completely ruined the parlay. We had a winner turned into a loser because of one Pizzi Carol. Can he redeem himself this week? into the parlay. We had a winner turned into a loser because of one pizza carol. Can he redeem himself this week? I have already got his pick and that pick.
Starting point is 01:52:54 Kevin Doucette from France. I like it. I like it too. I like it too. Let me throw in the randomizer. Frank, you first. I will go second. Rick will bring up the randomizer. Frank, you first. I will go second. Rick will bring up the old rear.
Starting point is 01:53:09 Perfect. That's great, man. I'm going to take the main event to go over two and a half. Okay. Done. All right. So you think it goes long. You listen to us bullshit on me being like,
Starting point is 01:53:21 something in my gut says there'll be a finish. And you're like, fuck your gut. Over two and a half. I just have the image of Sean. It's just going to be a late finish. Stickland, you know, doing the thing from The Simpsons. Sean Stickland. I think you mean Sean Strickland.
Starting point is 01:53:33 Strickland. My apologies. If you weren't listening to the area I want to show you today, someone sent in a super chat and said that I continuously call Sean Strickland Sean Strickland, which I don't think is true, but I haven't gone back and looked to see if it is true. All right, minus 425 on that one. I will go heavyweights.
Starting point is 01:53:54 I'm going to go Justin Taffa, Taliesin Teixeira, under two and a half, minus 500. Taliesin, all of his fights ended in the very first round. Giant size differential between him and Taffa, but dude gets hit. And if he's not the one landing, I think he's going to get hit by Taffa and I think someone's going to get put out.
Starting point is 01:54:13 Love it. I'm going to take Ilya Teporia. Alexandre Teporia. No, Ilya Teporia though. Ilya Teporia against, Ilya Teporia against, so he would actually be down a weight class against Thickness. No, Ilya Teporia, though. Ilya Teporia against... Ilya Teporia against... So he would actually be down a weight class
Starting point is 01:54:27 against thickness. He would be what? Like a minus 5,000? I'm going to take Alexandre Teporia. Minus 380. That brings us to plus 159. That's a nice get back in the win column. That's a nice get back in the win column.
Starting point is 01:54:44 I like it. Get back up five units. We need a nice get back in the win column. I like it. Get back up five units. We need to see one go through the hoop. We were like four and two at one point. We're four and six now. That's a four parlay losing streak. Time to get back in the win column. Time to get back in the win column. Producer Jordan, no graphics on that one.
Starting point is 01:54:59 No! Just when I started doubting him. Don't doubt him. He pulls me back in. All right, let's rip through my bets. First up, not taking a ton of money last week, taking a lot of props over unders. Jubilee, Sal killed. I would take the under two and a half in this one.
Starting point is 01:55:19 I was on breeding against Jubilee last time. I think Jubilee's got a little bit of quit in him, a little bit of quit in him, and I think Sal could's got a little bit of quit in him, a little bit of quit in him, and I think Selkid's got finishing capabilities. Selkid, all but two of his professional fights have not gone the distance. Massive, massive favorite in this one in front of the home crowd.
Starting point is 01:55:34 I think he gets Jubilee to quit again as well. Next up, Crute Bellotto, under two and a half. Very much like this one. Hopefully, I didn't just curse it. Crute, eight of nine in the UFC have not gone to a decision. Contender Series didn't go to a decision. I think it's eight of those ended in the first round. Seven or eight of those ended in the first round.
Starting point is 01:55:53 Balado, 12 of his 13. Nope, 13 of his 14 professional fights have ended in round one or two. Next up, Taffa Taliesin Teixeira, under one and a half in this one. I just mentioned it. Taliesin, all of his fights have ended in the first round. He's going to be seven inches taller with nine inches of reach on Justin Taffa, but he still gets it.
Starting point is 01:56:20 Taffa's going to get up against the cage, just start throwing giant bombs, get the finish. And if he doesn't do that, I think he's probably going to get finished by Taliesin Teixeira. So the under one and a half in that one. And then to the main event. Drik is 2 plus C. Inside the distance. 20 of his 22 professional wins
Starting point is 01:56:36 are coming by way of finish. And you're getting a minus 200 turned into a plus 215. It's just odds that I can't ignore at this point. And like I mentioned earlier in the show, I think the fact that they've spent 25 minutes together, I think something's going to be different this fight. I think the chaotic nature of Drikus Duplessis
Starting point is 01:56:51 will turn up in this fight, and I think he wins, and I think he wins via finish. A few parlays for you. Your boy, not your boy, Pizzi's boy, Kevin Gessette and Gabriel Santos. I like both of them to win as favorites. Next up a little, uh, under parlay. I actually don't know which one is coming next. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, there we go. Nope. Now your boy, Alessandre Teporia and, uh, Tafa Taliesin under two and a half. Um, similar to, uh,5. Similar to, we're going to test if Taloson Teixeira is the heavyweight Terrence McKinney.
Starting point is 01:57:30 Only seven fights, all ending in round one. We'll see if he can keep that up. This is the test. By taking the under 1.5 single, parlaying up the under 2.5, and then we'll finish it off with an unders parlay. Borshev Nolan, under 2.5. Toporia Thigness, under 2.5. I like violence this weekend
Starting point is 01:57:45 I think it's not a great name by a card I'm that guy right now But I think there are going to be some good finishes I think it's going to be exciting UFC 312 Those are the bets Love it Wow we have covered so much already
Starting point is 01:57:57 In just two short hours And we still have the best part of the show to go Watching me continuously flip up my XXL Socceroos jersey. In the super chats, make sure you get those in. Thank you, Frank. Get in the super chats. Good reminder.
Starting point is 01:58:10 And just hop in the chat and talk to us. We appreciate all of you watching. The best part of the show, the last part of the show, the pound for pound rankings. We struggled with this one this week. Did we do
Starting point is 01:58:21 scariest Australian animals? Frank at one point said we should rank continents. That was our best idea. There was another one. Sydney's. Being in Sydney, Australia, do we rank the Sydney's?
Starting point is 01:58:34 Sydney Sweeney. Is she number one? Sydney Crosby. There's plenty of ones out there. We had a hard time, but we took some inspiration from one Sean Strickland.
Starting point is 01:58:45 A man who inspires many. And he this week shaved his head and his beard. All he's left with the mustache. He said he was going for more of a John L. Sullivan with the mustache, but looks more like a potato head. He said, fuck it. Well, I respect it. You should be clear for audio listeners. You're reading
Starting point is 01:59:02 that from a tweet from... You're not suggesting he's a potato head. Do we have the picture of Sean Strickland with the mustache? Yeah, let's do the Hamzat. Let's do the Hamzat tweet. Yeah, do we have the Hamzat? Something like that. I have to say, all respect in the world to Sean Strickland.
Starting point is 01:59:16 The bald, like the very, very close-shaped head with the stache is a tough look, man. It's hard to pull off. I guess he is because he's a UFC fighter. Do you feel like he's pulling it off or what? And he would beat my ass? I don't know. It's tough to pull off. You guys were talking about, oh, we should shave down the mustaches.
Starting point is 01:59:31 He has more hair on his eyebrows than he does on his lips. Yeah, well, he was like. It's a good point by Frank. It's not like a super full mustache, you know? And mine isn't either. So if I went down to a stache, it'd be, I love the stache, but you kind of need some hair up top to properly rock the stache should be, I love the stache, but you kind of need some hair up top to properly rock the stache. So we took that inspiration of the mustache and we are going to rank pound for pound
Starting point is 01:59:52 best mustaches in history. And this one, I have to say, was the most difficult one yet. There have been so many great mustaches throughout the history of the world. Yeah, it's true. And to not narrow it down to five is no easy task. I agree with you. There were so many good options. It's usually like, you know, there's a few that I would have done this, that, the other. I could have had a completely different list and felt good about it.
Starting point is 02:00:15 I have like 18 honorable mentions. Same. Frank, what order will we be going into? Well, it may be a surprise, but I'm going to start us off. All right, you kick us off, man. I'm really interested. Then we're going to Connor. You've got great potential to knock this one out of the park, Frank. Yeah, well, we'll see.
Starting point is 02:00:31 So coming in at number five is Jesse Ventura. Wow. Specifically, Jesse Ventura as Captain Freedom from the movie The Running Man. Did you take this off of your own TV? You know, that's what Jordan said, too. No, the shot in the movie is running man just take this off of your own tv uh you know that's what jordan said too no the the shot in the movie is of a screen where they're showing this like workout video promo that he's cutting just just look at that mustache i can't really see it because it's so low quality it's so high quality mustache is what you're saying all right nice nice coming in at number four mr diabetes himself Wilford Brimley.
Starting point is 02:01:05 Respect. Which I have to say. Wow, no ball. You know stashes, Frank. He's got the, is it the mongoose? Oh, that's the walrus. The walrus. The walrus with the specs, the hat, and the colorful button down is what we like to call
Starting point is 02:01:18 D-R-I-P, a little bit of drip there. Frank. Looks fantastic. Frank, it's not diabetes, it's diabetes. I actually know him more, like, I couldn't remember his name, as Jordan will point this out. I had to search him up for, who was the guy in Cocoon? Cocoon, yeah.
Starting point is 02:01:32 Quaker Oats? Quaker Oats. Is he the Quaker Oats guy? Commercials. Oh, okay. He's not the guy on the actual... No. For a second, you almost rocked my world. That would be Mr. Quaker Oats. Oh, okay. Mr. Oats himself. Captain Quaker.
Starting point is 02:01:47 Coming in at number three. Hold on, hold on. Frank is lucky that I'm a nice guy because he texted me Walter Brimley, and I'm like, hey. Who is that? I just made that up. Walter Brimley. Can I look? When you search up Walter Brimley, Wilford Brimley comes up.
Starting point is 02:02:02 Did you mean Wilford Brimley? It's like, you idiot. There is no Walter Brimley comes up. Did you mean Wilford Brimley? It's like, you idiot. There is no Walter Brimley. Even the AI was like, are you okay there? There is no Walter Brimley. All right, all right. We're starting out all right. I got to say, Frank, let me just interject.
Starting point is 02:02:18 Yeah. You were on a heater for a while. You were cooking for a long time. These last few that you really like careened for a long time these last few then you really like careened off a cliff will go like around 3 11 time where you completely missed the assignment i'd say it's all 2025 i think it's all 2025 you are killing right now you are smashing right now this is incredible you put things up on a pedestal so high that all they're gonna do is shatter all right keep going keep going number keep going. Keep going. Number three, John Waters.
Starting point is 02:02:47 I'm actually not a huge fan of John Waters. I'm not even a huge fan of his mustache. Ooh, a little eccentric. But this guy has, like, owned it. Yeah. Do you know you shave every morning so you don't have the 5 o'clock shadow thing going on? Like, I think this guy had to, like, trim every hour. Like, he's like, I'm going to go to the bathroom. I got to trim my hair.
Starting point is 02:03:02 Almost feels like he had to get laser hair removal or something. I mean, he's been doing it for so long. There wasn't even lasers back when he started doing this. You're admiring the dedication to the maintenance of the mustache, which I greatly appreciate. Because in my opinion, when you have a pound-for-pound mustache, it's not necessarily who grew it the best. It's like, who is
Starting point is 02:03:18 committed to the bit? You've got to have one in there. You've got to have one in there. It's a great call. And no other person was as committed to the bit as my number two, Dr. Robotnik. Yeah. He's made even more popular by Jim Carrey. Sonic. For those of you who haven't seen the newer Sonic movies, they play on the mustache a lot.
Starting point is 02:03:37 It's a fan favorite, but they really go home with how great the mustache is. I knew you'd have this on there. I didn't put him on there because I knew you'd have it on there. You love Sonic. You may know. You're like this on there. I didn't put him on there because I knew you'd have it on there. You love Sonic. You may know. You're like, Sonic 3! I can't fucking wait! I'm like, seriously? It's amazing. Really good movie. I'm not doubting it.
Starting point is 02:03:53 I put it up there with Titanic. Is Titanic the highlight? Wizard of Oz. My number one shouldn't be a surprise for anyone else as well because it's Mr. Mike Beltran himself. Let's go. Let's talk about it.
Starting point is 02:04:10 Oh, Frankie. God, you killed it. You killed it. I had no idea where you were going with that. I had no idea. I didn't even think of Mike Beltran. How would you not know? I didn't think of it.
Starting point is 02:04:21 This guy has written the book on mustaches. John Waters is like, I don't have that level of commitment. I don't think I want to go. I don't think I want to go anywhere. I didn't even think about Trent. That's a slam dunk by you, Frankie. Jesus, Frank, what a list. Wow, this is shades of.
Starting point is 02:04:35 I was freaking the fourth wall earlier. Yeah. I did this in five minutes on the train on the way. Well, guess what? Slam dunk. You freaking. All of you were like, oh, did you struggle with it? No.
Starting point is 02:04:44 No, I didn't. Slam dunk, man. I think about mustaches a lot. Didn't even think of Mike Beltran. Neither did I. How? How did we not think of him? Wow, Frankie. Slam dunk, Frank. Unbelievable. Rick, you're up next.
Starting point is 02:04:57 I don't even want to go. Do I even go? You have to go. I don't want to. I had to. He set the bar. I'm cooked. I'm fucking cooked. I'm going to go, but I'm just going to rush through this. I still like my list, but I know it's nowhere near as good as mine. No, no. Frankie just destroyed it.
Starting point is 02:05:12 The little twists in the thing, it's all the way down here. I mean, what are we doing here? Great call. All right, I'm just going to go. I thought I'd like my list, but all right. Number five, Don Fry. Shout out to Don Fry. Great stat. Wait. Don to Don Fry. Great stat.
Starting point is 02:05:25 Wait, don't do that. Great stat. Number five, Don Fry. Befitting of one of the most manly, rugged men of all time. There's a theme to my list here, and that is over the years, right? There's evolutions, but what's key is you don't change it too much. Sustainability sustainability sustained greatness that's it frank had john waters but it was always the same mustache it's the exact same what's what's
Starting point is 02:05:50 key here is like don fry over the years the mustache didn't change drastically but just the commitment to it and the different eras of the mustache are important i mean look at look at this manly man here this is this is americana right here that metal one with the american black shorts is on america also look at the fucking traps on this guy. Like, Jesus Christ. Yeah. Prime Don Fry. That's a scary man.
Starting point is 02:06:09 All right. Number four. I actually share one with Frank. Dr. Robotnik. Yeah. When I think of mustaches, it comes to me. Also, the key here is the versatility because we've got the cartoon. We've got the animated Dr. Robotnik.
Starting point is 02:06:21 Even here, there's like different styles, right? Like there's the fanned out one. Then there's the kind of like wildy like untamed one we cut to jim carrey in the film he's got like a combination here it's a little bit wild it's great also bald with the mustache pulling it off though it's a tough look to pull off and he's he's tough look he's doing it so shout out to dr robotnik shared that one with frank i think of that this one's quite iconic in fact i'd say my remaining three are like some of the most iconic of all i hope so number three hulk hogan um you can't you can't have this list without hulk hogan again let's take a look over
Starting point is 02:06:56 the years right we've got the like slimmer younger man with the slim handlebar mustache great look man like look i mean with the glasses, but then we cut to, okay, we've got the beard, the stubble, the 5 o'clock shadow with the beach bleach blonde mustache. Yes, I was going to say, the dark 5 o'clock shadow with the bleach blonde mustache, that's a look. NWO Hogan, epic era, and then we cut to
Starting point is 02:07:18 like more contemporary Hogan, still going with the bleach blonde, but we've lost the 5 o'clock shadow, just a little more traditional. Think what you want of the man. That's a separate conversation. Mustache wise, the mustache is on point. Number two had to be here for me. One of the mustaches that outside of my father, who has always carried a mustache,
Starting point is 02:07:39 one of the mustaches that has been in my life the longest and I've seen around the most, Julius Pringles. Shout uh julius pringles shout out to julius pringles great shout um great shout here over the years the evolution of the of the mustache greatness 1967 to present just iconic mustache i love the color changes so much so that like the logo isn't much more than a mustache to the point that now from 2021 to present, it is just a mustache and eyes. Bro, I mean, honestly, from 2020, he lost his head in 2020. It is just mustache. He lost his head.
Starting point is 02:08:13 I kind of respected those. If we can go back to that real quick, I kind of respected the 2002 to 2020, like the head was Pringle shaped. That was a good look. Chip shape, yeah. It was a good look. Yeah, lost his hair and everything. And the bow tie. But that tells you,
Starting point is 02:08:27 the chip is almost secondary to the mustache. The mustache is the iconic look. Seen that cam many times. Popped it. Couldn't stop it. Shout out to Julius Pringles. Number one, I knew my number one.
Starting point is 02:08:39 The rest, I didn't know. I knew my number one. Distinguished. Classy. Reliable. Iconic. Canadian. I didn't know I knew my number one distinguished classy reliable iconic Canadian the one and only Alex Trebek
Starting point is 02:08:51 had to be had to be the mustache of our of our lifetimes the host of Jeopardy look at that we have seen that mustache
Starting point is 02:08:59 look at that thing look at the evolution here look at the eras the mop on top we go to the little more kempt but not quite fully just a little a mop on top we go to the little more kempt but not quite fully just a little a little dirty a little messy to the final evolution now there was a beard at
Starting point is 02:09:11 some point then we went back to the mustache because we knew that the fans were missing it uh a legendary mustache a legendary man shout out to jeopardy host alex trebek i mean look at that fro is just on point on point i felt really good about my list, but I still defer. Frank, I'm bowing. No, man, your list is really nice. Thank you. I mean, the Mike Beltran is going to be tough to top. I'll give my best effort, though. I'll give my best effort.
Starting point is 02:09:36 Similar to Frank, I start my list at number five with an exquisite stache, eccentric, not your typical mustache that you see. Mustache, if you do prefer. I feel like that's how this man would say it. One Salvador Dali, the famous Spanish artist, if you haven't seen,
Starting point is 02:09:54 takes a lot of work. He does a lot of crazy things with it. Very interesting mustache. Maybe, you know, we're feeling flowers one day. We might as well throw a couple flowers on there. Yeah, I mean, we got to get the crazy look with it, twist it up tight. His commitment to the game over the years,
Starting point is 02:10:10 as you said, is imperative to this one, and it really is an iconic mustache. Number two, or number four, my second one that I'm going to list, a man that thirsts for exploration, a man that inspired many around the world to to find their wild side uh if i dare say uh a uh an icon uh of of nations i would say and that is one nigel thornberry uh if you're not familiar the uh i'm not familiar intrepid explorer nigel thornberry from the wild
Starting point is 02:10:42 thornberries on nickelodeon one of of the best mustaches known to man. I think I have another alt picture. He's wearing – oh, that guy is tough to beat. That guy is tough to beat. If you know Nigel Thornberry, you know ball. This is for my mid to late 90s babies out there. Iconic mustache. Kids, the kids.
Starting point is 02:11:00 Number three. That was Tim Curry, according to Andy, that voiced him. Oh, no shit. Really? That's pretty. Wow. That gives something for us 80s kids. There you go.
Starting point is 02:11:09 Number three. I share it with Frank. Diabetes. Quaker. Wilford Bremley. Look at this guy. I mean, can you look at him? Look at that.
Starting point is 02:11:18 He ain't fucking with Wilford Bremley. You're about to tell him something he doesn't want to hear? Are you kidding me? And it's all settled in by that stash the stash hides the expression the stash keeps you from knowing his next move look at that i don't know what this guy's gonna do this looks like a man that you're giving oreos to who's told you he has diabetes he's like what are you doing anybody out there who gives oreos to people with diabetes is a sinful man, is a disgusting man. I will say that much. That man, you don't know his next move. He's a loose cannon.
Starting point is 02:11:49 Like Vinicius Oliveira. The key to that is I think that first picture we showed, he was probably like 45 there but looked 75 because he was so stoned. He came out of the womb looking like this. You just told him something he doesn't want to hear, and he's making it known. And 90% of it is coming from the stash. Do you think Wilford Brimley could beat Don Fry in a fight?
Starting point is 02:12:09 I mean, it's possible, right? Just based on that look. You don't know the guy's next move. You don't know what he's going to do. It's just. He's a loose cannon. Next up, an activist. Someone that has changed lives, that has changed the environmental state of the world,
Starting point is 02:12:26 I would say, an activist for not only the environment, but, I mean, trees as well. A savior, I would say, for one trees, and that is a one-name man. You got to put the in front of it, the Lorax. Take a look at that stash.
Starting point is 02:12:44 Take a look at that stash. Look at that stash take a look at that stash look at that stash on the lorax man he's all stash there's nothing else going on in the face eyebrows stash and that's it that's all the man's got similar to wilford bremley an orange version of wilford bremley i mean this this man wow that's a great call the facial expressions are commanded by the mustache there is no face without the snack. Same guy. Okay. Is this a Dr. Seuss? What is the Lorax?
Starting point is 02:13:08 Yeah, it's a Dr. Seuss. Okay, it's a Dr. Seuss. Got it. So that's for my like 1927 kids out there that grew up reading Dr. Seuss. No, but the movie is more contemporary, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That movie just came out recently.
Starting point is 02:13:17 Shout out to the Lorax. Shout out to the Lorax. And then number one, like you said, a classic. Great call with Alex Trebek. I thought Nick Offferman maybe but i had to go with another classic a man who has had a mustache for generations that is one sam elliott oh wow very good it's an oh let me look at that mustache my god with the cardigan with the wool cardigan and the and the and the what is that poking out chest hair poking out with the knit polo full head of hair great head of hair and a stash that could knock a man out i mean
Starting point is 02:13:51 black jet black shaved to perfection and then look at how it ages look at how it ages stoicism remains i'm there it is the stoicism remains and the stash remains. Ages to perfection. The white with the hair. The hair stays on top. Somehow the eyebrows get the saving grace of staying brown. They don't go white as well. Sam Elliott,
Starting point is 02:14:12 an iconic mustache. That's a fantastic one. The best look was in the big Lembowski. As soon as we said he's actually the first one that came to my mind
Starting point is 02:14:20 but I was like, you know what? Okay, so that's interesting you say that because there's somebody who came to my mind first and I'm surprised he's not on anybody's list tom selick right
Starting point is 02:14:25 chad definitely wants you to know that they agree tom selick about tom selick yeah tom selick tom selick man um also is is our mustache is like the pinnacle of manliness like we look at these and i'm just like i look at that picture of sam elliott i'm like yeah that's a handsome manly rugged ass if you're pulling off a mustache it's one of the biggest power plays you can do as as a man i you know i used to do the stash every month for november and you know sometimes it was like you catch me in the right leg i look good there's a picture of me and yuri prahashka and we're both doing the the hand up power pose and i have a stash and it might be my favorite picture i've ever taken in my entire life with the mustache. So when you have the stash and it's working for you, there's no one that can stop you.
Starting point is 02:15:10 Okay. Important question. Yeah. Not for you, right? Okay. We're not talking about ourselves here, but like preference visual. Do we like the like bushy full stash? Like the men that we're kind of talking here?
Starting point is 02:15:23 Or what about like the swirlable like i'm evil dastardly yeah i'm bushy full like that sam elliott young picture is like that is like a peak mustache yeah that's that is like that is as good as a mustache gets it's pretty it's pretty fantastic um what about all the people with the mustache tattoos that they got in like the mid hard pass i mean do you think they regret it? God, hard pass. Do you guys remember the glasses with like the little chain that would hang down and had the plastic mustache over it? This is like 2009.
Starting point is 02:15:52 The reason I bring that up is because Rick was talking about the swirly thing. Like that almost became like a hipster type. Oh, very, very hipster. So now it's like we need to be further away from that before we can start appreciating how it's done. I feel like every barber started in like 2009. The logo was just the swirly mustache.
Starting point is 02:16:08 But mustaches got a moment. And my read on that was like it felt like a Ron Burgundy, Ron Swanson kind of like moment, right? Like mustaches were in for a moment with that. Yeah, Ron Burgundy, great stache. That's got to be fake on Will Ferrell, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Nick Offerman, real stache, great stache. That's got to be fake on Will Ferrell, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Nick Offerman,
Starting point is 02:16:26 real stash, great stash. Iconic stash, yeah. Iconic stash. I mean, he basically gets roles. It had like a, it was like,
Starting point is 02:16:33 it was part of, mustaches became a part of culture and now they're kind of like back out. It's not. Honorable mentions Borat.
Starting point is 02:16:41 Oh yeah, for sure. Fantastic mustache. Yeah, I mean, look at that. How can you top that right there? Mario. How did none of us have Mario? The plumber. Look at that.
Starting point is 02:16:51 I'm not a big fan. Have you ever seen a picture of him without it? I know we don't have it, but without it, he's a naked man. Okay, but here's the not so hot take. Because I think people will agree. Wario's superior stache. Wario's great stache. Superior with the zigzag stache. Yosemite Sam. Icon people will agree. Wario's superior stache. Wario's great stache. Superior with the zigzag stache.
Starting point is 02:17:07 Yosemite Sam. Iconic stache. He's all mustache. Is there anything? I feel like mustache is a body part. What is even going on there? Literally his face is just a mustache. Yeah, it all just goes into one.
Starting point is 02:17:18 You can't even see the skin. It's just all stache. Sneaky. Sneaky Mark Twain. Mark Twain is an author Historic stashes are good We could have had more Mark Twain, Einstein
Starting point is 02:17:30 Look at Mark Twain That's a power stash right there That man's up to something Einstein, great one I don't know if Jordan's going to be able to pull this General Ambrose Burnside Civil War General, all-time stache. That's a deep cut.
Starting point is 02:17:47 Oh, deep. I mean, I'm a mustache connoisseur. This man hangs in the halls. Look at that. He said, I'm turning the sideburns into the stache. Fun fact, he actually had a beard, but it kept getting in his soup, and he's like, no, take it off. Can't do it.
Starting point is 02:17:59 Just the mustache. Can we also just talk about the respect of back in the day? We're just riding the cul-de-sac out. The hairline is not receding anymore. It has receded. It has completely receded, and we're just hanging on to the sides. We're letting the mustache go right into it. Horrible head shape, real bad hair, but the attention all goes to the mustache.
Starting point is 02:18:19 So a power move. It's a power play. Emiliano Zapata, a Mexican revolutionary. Nice. I don't think he would have been able to lead his troops without that stache. Yes, that's a power play. It's a power move. It's a power play. Emiliano Zapata, a Mexican revolutionary. Nice. With, I don't think he would have been able to lead his troops without that stache. Yes. That's a stache, man. That is a mustache right there.
Starting point is 02:18:32 Man, respect to that. Frank, you're going to know the name of this. Philosopher, Frederick. Nietzsche. There it is. Frederick Nietzsche. I knew I was going to fumble it. He also has an incredible mustache.
Starting point is 02:18:46 I mean, look at that thing. We had to get a portrait out for that one, but the painter took some time on that mustache. Walrus. I'm down with the Walrus. Ned Flanders. Shout out. Can't go on the mustache list without mentioning Ned Flanders.
Starting point is 02:18:59 Andy Reid. Oh, yeah. Coaching this weekend. Sports stashes. Yeah, putting the world on notice for mustaches. Kind of bald and stashed look. He's got a little bit. Bald's not going so hot for Andy there.
Starting point is 02:19:11 Not going to lie to you. Pretty bold of you to call out Andy Reed. Helwani's been having a rough two weeks here. Listen, just because his team lost to him doesn't mean I can't appreciate a man's mustache, okay? Teddy Roosevelt, leading a nation behind a powerful stash. You got to show love to that. Mike Ditka, Mike Ditka with the sweater vest,
Starting point is 02:19:33 coaching the damn Chicago Bears. Are you kidding me? With the slick back? That's tough to top right there. That is a look and a half. Shout out to Mike Ditka. Bob from Bob's Burgers. That's another great one. We said Alex Trebek. Yeah, look and a half. Shout out to Mike Dick. Bob from Bob's Burgers. That's another great one.
Starting point is 02:19:46 We said Alex Trebek. Yeah, look at that one. I want a burger from that guy. I trust that. We said Alex Trebek. So one actually came to mind when we started thinking about this. And I pulled him up and I was like, wait a minute. This is like the opposite of a mustache.
Starting point is 02:20:00 But I think that was the intent. It's Wayne Static from Static X. Rest in peace. Look at this. He's like all hair minus the intent. It's Wayne Static from Static X. Rest in peace. Look at this. He's like all hair minus the mustache. So it was like this idea. And I'm like, it just popped in my head. Frank, you realize that there's a whole like sect of MMA that is mustache-less,
Starting point is 02:20:17 like the Dagestan fighters all have the beard and no mustache. But they don't do the spiky hair at the top. Yeah, of course. You know, you could have just went to literally all the guys that we talk about on a daily basis. But no, no, that other rock and roll guy
Starting point is 02:20:30 that nobody's ever heard of, that's for sure. Nobody's heard of Wayne Stach. Can I just say, I'm really surprised nobody said Freddie Mercury. Yes, Freddie Mercury, shout out.
Starting point is 02:20:39 Great stache, great stache. Okay. Oh, Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds. Oh yeah, for sure. God bless America. Okay. Yeah. Oh, Burt Reynolds. Burt Reynolds. Oh, yeah, for sure. God bless America. Look at that. We got the Floridian.
Starting point is 02:20:51 Oh, man. Sharnley with the taco meat out smoking a cig. Look at that. That's tough to beat. That's tough to beat right there. You named nearly all the ones I had on my honorable mentions. A few that I had. Uncle Creepy.
Starting point is 02:21:06 MMA fans will know. Uncle Creepy. He had the Yimma Call fighter. He had the swirly kind of snidely whiplash, who's another one from cartoons back in the day, who had that kind of swirly one. The Monopoly guy. Shout out to Uncle Pennybags? Uncle Pennybags? Uncle Moneybags? Whatever the hell his name is. Monopoly guy. Monopoly guy. Also the Quaker Oats guy. The Quaker Oats. early one uh the monopoly guy shout out to uncle pennybags uncle pennybags uncle moneybags whatever
Starting point is 02:21:25 the hell his name is monopoly guy um also the quicker oats guy the quicker no does he have a mustache i just wanted to fucking i don't think he does i don't think the quicker no stash yeah yeah quicker oats like you're not doing so hotats guy, like, low-key kind of looks like my mother. Nice loving face. What an odd development. Hair, like, very similar length to my mom. Like, the Quaker Oats guy and my mom. Your mom is either going to love this comparison
Starting point is 02:21:56 or absolutely hate this comparison, and I don't want to know which. A nice loving face. I'm not kidding you. Actually, like, I hadn't looked at the Quaker Oats guy in a minute. I buy a store brand. Times are tough, you know? Did you know that's Wilford Brimley? No, no, no. I'm looking at the Wilford, I hadn't looked at the Quaker Oats guy in a minute. I buy a store brand. Times are tough.
Starting point is 02:22:05 Did you know that's Wilford Brimley? No, no, no. I'm looking at the Wilford Brimley ad right now and why he eats Quaker Oats a spoonful at a time to bring his cholesterol down. Quaker Oats guy, sneaky looks like my mom. Shout out. Wow. That is wild.
Starting point is 02:22:17 Your mom's not going to be happy. If I ever said that about my mom, I think she'd come here and kill me. Okay. You mentioned a lot of them. Here's one that you didn't that I think is really up there and is making a run at iconic, iconic status. Steve Harvey. Oh, great stash. Steve Harvey has a hell of a stash.
Starting point is 02:22:39 And he's been committed to that for a bit with the dyeing it. It is jet black right above that lip now he's got the bald so all you're seeing you look at him and all you see is mustache and i think you know as time goes on and as his time eventually passes he'll be viewed as one of the greatest mustaches one of the for sure an all-time mustache uh the wizard from the wizard of oz naturally the greatest film ever made and the wizard and then you know uh you you being insensitive to uh ariel hawani and and mentioning the coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, like deplorable. Obviously, Josh Allen grows a great mustache. Shout out to Josh Allen, a tremendous football player for Ariel's Buffalo Bills.
Starting point is 02:23:14 And, yeah, I just thought that was disrespectful by you. So I will counter that by mentioning Josh Allen, who Ariel is a big fan of. Wow. I was just chugging water. Yeah, that's all I got uh i think patrick mahomes i think patrick mahomes goes a good stash jordan i think said he had more this one's a shout out to andy one of her favorite movies ah it's good last week as well i i wow a back-to-back lister on hook i really do do feel like we leaned toward,
Starting point is 02:23:45 outside of Dolly, we leaned toward the full bush. We leaned toward the big, bold caterpillar on the lip as opposed to the more curated. Yeah. Respect the bushy tails up top. Gotta love it. God damn it, Frank. What a list.
Starting point is 02:24:02 A milk mustache? Yeah, Stone Cold milk mustache. Not bad. Kermit milk mustache? Here's the problem, though. Stone Cold's got a killer goatee underneath. Yeah. All-time goatee list?
Starting point is 02:24:12 Stone Cold's fucking number one, if not. You're like, he's up there. Yeah. He's got the killer goatee, but the milk mustache kind of... It was a marketing ploy to get us to drink calcium rich. It worked. I mean, I cared, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:24 I can't remember the last time I put down a nice glass of a white. Literally in Sean Strickland's tweet. Mr. Potato Head. Oh, shit. Mr. Potato Head. Great stash. Great stash on him. Fake, though. You know, like, even in the meta of the universe,
Starting point is 02:24:40 he is, like, it's not even his stash he's putting it on. I don't know. I got to dock him points there. I got to dock him points. I got to dock him points there. I got to dock him points there. All right. Anyone else? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:24:50 You guys missed the best one. What's the best one? It's Chris Hines. Shout out. Shout out to Chris Hines. Shout out to Chris Hines, a man behind the scenes who the show wouldn't run without him. So shout out to Mr. Chris Hines. That's a great one. Fantastic mustache on him.
Starting point is 02:25:03 Fantastic mustache. The smile, a million bucks. A million bucks. How can you not smile with a mustache like that? That's our boy. All right. That's a great one. Fantastic mustache on him. Fantastic mustache. The smile, a million bucks. Oh, a million bucks. How can you not smile with a mustache like that? That's our boy. All right. That was Pound for Pound, Best Mustaches. Frank, do we got any super chats to close us out at?
Starting point is 02:25:12 Oh, yeah, we do. Let's rip them. So Tom S. writes, who wins in a fight, Gaziev versus Pantoja or Asakura? No, no, no. Gaziev versus Pantoja and Asakura. Yeah, yeah, there we go. I'm going to say because of how high level Pantoja and Asakura. Yeah, there we go. I'm going to say because of how high level Pantoja and Asakura are,
Starting point is 02:25:27 the size will be useless for Gaziev and the speed of Pantoja and Asakura. It's a cakewalk. Nah, he's going to lift them up and toss them around. I'm going Gaziev. Throws one off, deals with the other. We saw, who was it? The British guy, the world's strongest man who's fighting. Oh, Eddie? Yeah, Eddie, God, it? The British guy. The world's strongest man who's fighting. Oh, Eddie?
Starting point is 02:25:46 Yeah, Eddie, God, whatever. Eddie Hearn. Not Eddie Hearn. Yeah, I'm going with Gazia. Okay, you're going Goat's Youth? I think he's tossing around the little guys. I'm going Asa Korg. Great question, though.
Starting point is 02:25:58 It's a great question. Benjamin Turk asks, who was the movie bully comp to DDP? I was thinking Duke from Spider-Man with Tobi. Tobi. There's too many Bs in there. I know, but you knew what he was saying. Oh, Doyle? The brother from Home Alone?
Starting point is 02:26:15 I'm lacking here. I'm getting a little too comfortable. I didn't have a list ready for this, so I feel like I'm out of sorts. I don't know. I can't think of a great one off the top of my head because I have to go back to like 80s comedy era anybody ever watched the tv show recess no it reminds me of the bully from recess shout out salute your shorts
Starting point is 02:26:33 oh salute your shirts was great love me some salute your shorts zach writes yeah have y'all watched any good shows movies lately i would like you to see about Salute Your Shorts. That's a great one. I actually haven't, but we did get into a heated debate the other day. Rick and Jordan in the control room both hate Lord of the Rings. They say it's trash. Yeah, it's not good. I did just watch Silo. For those of you
Starting point is 02:26:58 that haven't seen it, I do recommend it. Seasons 1 and 2 just wrapped. These guys are always talking about, what is it, Traitors? The Traitors, yeah. I'm hearing Severance is good. Read a book, Project Elmary, you know,
Starting point is 02:27:10 that was good. Nah, books. I'm going to go see a movie. What movies are in theaters tonight? Okay, so there's something out right now that I really
Starting point is 02:27:18 am dying to see. There's a horror movie called Heart Eyes starring my boy Devin Sawa. I'm really excited to see that one. I've also heard Companion is really good. I'm really excited to see that one i've also heard companion is really good i'm really excited to see that one some things i have seen already uh we talked about nosferatu we talked about the substance i love those um conclave also a good one
Starting point is 02:27:36 um padding paddington in peru paddington in peru why is he in peru A Real Pain, directed by, oh God, Jesse Eisenberg, who also stars in it, opposite Kieran Culkin. Fantastic film. If you're a fan of The Challenge, All-Star Season 5 is just starting up. Episode 2 was last night. I mean, it's the best show on television. It's one of the longest running. It's the combination of drama inside the house and athletic competition and everything in between.
Starting point is 02:28:07 It's the greatest series ever. You could get into that. There's a lot of stuff. Oh, yesterday we got into a thing. The entire control room, everybody has never seen The Raid. And so this is my gift. This is my gift to the world.
Starting point is 02:28:23 See The Raid. See The Raid. See The Raid 2. It's raid. See the raid. See the raid 2. It's incredible. It's a thrill ride. And this came up because we were contrasting with, you know, the immense amount of walking that happens in the Lord of the Rings and nothing else happening. In the raid, it's all fighting. It's the greatest thing that you'll ever see.
Starting point is 02:28:39 So go see the raid. It's not new, but it's great. I just, like, can't even address the walking allegations. If it wasn't a point that they make in Clerks 2, I would actually think it's kind of funny, but it's been like 20 years I've heard this joke. Yeah, because in 20 years, nothing has changed. It's still a lot of just like... And that's coming from you, Frank,
Starting point is 02:28:56 who reuses jokes again and again and again despite them not hitting. Is that true? Luke Hercules writes, shout out GC for accepting my LinkedIn connection. Shout out to you, Luke. Shout out to you, man. I appreciate you reaching out.
Starting point is 02:29:13 That's a dangerous game right there. For those that don't know, Connor will accept your LinkedIn connection. See, why would you have to say that, Frank? Why would you go and say that? The thing is I will accept anyone, but the messages are tough to get to. There's a lot of messages I rarely read. You are going to be getting LinkedIn requests
Starting point is 02:29:28 from people who have zero to do with your industry right now. You're just going to be open season. It's pick of the litter too on messages. I choose to read one every six months. Shout out to LinkedIn. 24-inch Dubs actually writes, how do the boys fight through the snow? Which I have to say, we will rebuild. Yeah, it's a good point by you, Frankie. I mean, it wasn't bad. It was just like nasty.
Starting point is 02:29:50 It was slop. It was just like that brown, black slop everywhere. Shoot big puddles. It was just nasty. To call it snow would be incorrect. It was like an inch of snow and then like sleet and ice. It was rain, and if anybody had miss like sleet and ice. It was rain and if anybody had
Starting point is 02:30:06 misworked for that it would have been unacceptable. Yeah, it was just an unpleasant experience. That's all I'll put it. A Lodge of One Dream. What's the over-under for Shoei's consumed
Starting point is 02:30:16 bed watch party? I'm down to do one. Do we do it? I'll do one. So if he does one and I do one that's over one and a half. Do we drink out of
Starting point is 02:30:23 our actual shoes? Like what do we do? I'll say I did the one at the half. Do we drink out of our actual shoes? Like what do we do? I'll say I did the one at the restaurant for the fight feast and like you put your shoe back on and like it's cold. It goes down so fast you don't even really recognize it. It's just cold.
Starting point is 02:30:35 What are the stakes? What are the circumstances upon which we do a shoeie? Like how do we? Oh, we could do the Jean Tatiana fight. Because we're on opposite sides? Oh, loser does a shoeie? sides Oh loser does a shooey Yeah loser does a shooey
Starting point is 02:30:46 I thought we were gonna be like Celebratory I thought we were gonna be like Oh okay If the parlay pals hit Done That's it Parlay pals hit we do a shooey
Starting point is 02:30:54 That's the one Yeah yeah yeah Alright parlay pals hit we do a shooey Kowloon City Ah legend 20 bucks 20 bucks My buddy
Starting point is 02:31:02 Just got dumped Had to move out of the spot with the girl And back home with his parents He's really torn up What is the best way to get over a heartbreak During this time around Valentine's Day Thanks I almost feel like
Starting point is 02:31:15 There's something insulting in there somewhere You can't trust Kowloon City You cannot trust Kowloon City I mean like Right around Valentine's Day, ignore Valentine's Day. Like, that's option number one. Or just do anything else.
Starting point is 02:31:30 Like, I feel like that's very specific and dependent upon, like, that that is the only plan you could possibly have. Do literally anything else. Or you try to capitalize on sad singles and get with one of them. I don't know. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:31:41 You go on Instagram and you show pictures of your dog. Whoa. Hi. This feels very devious, Frank. There's something about that that sounded very like... There was something new. Yeah, the way you... People were like,
Starting point is 02:31:51 I don't have anyone to spend Valentine's Day with, so here's my puppy. Oh, you're just showing like... Okay, I got it. It's just like feel good. It's just like feel good stuff. Also, the way you said that,
Starting point is 02:31:59 you said it's real weird. Show pictures of your dog. Of your dog. Okay. Joshua Freeman. Oh, shout out Josh. Pound for pound, WWE superstar, Oh, that's a great one. Of your dog. Okay. Joshua Freeman. Oh, shout out Josh. Pound for pound, WWE superstar. Oh, that's a great one.
Starting point is 02:32:08 Rick Rude. I got to refresh my memory, though. Oh, that's a great one. That is a good one. Look at that stache. The mustache itself is rude. With the mullet, that is fantastic, man. Unreal look.
Starting point is 02:32:19 Unreal look. Anything else, Frank? Olajuwon Dream asks, no Vince. Anything else Frank? ElijahHunterDream Asks No Vince Nah they're good but It's a good shout I called out Uncle Creepy I should have also for sure Said Eddie Wineland by the end he had a real
Starting point is 02:32:35 Good twirly stache Shout out Don Vito Corleone That mustache is great Hey shout out to Don Vito Corleone For sure. Man, great movie. Great movie. And Mason Bickner sends us home with,
Starting point is 02:32:50 can we please get someone to show Raleigh Fingers? I think we did show Raleigh Fingers. Shout out. Jordan's pretty sure he did. There he is again. Is that Raleigh Fingers? I don't know who Raleigh Fingers is. Pitcher.
Starting point is 02:33:02 Pitcher who really made that twirly one work for a long time all right that sounds like it'll just about do it for us two and a half hours in the can you'll see 312 jake paul no eyebrows insane john jones partnering up with the forgot the name of it uh power to the patients power to the patient follow creed that's another good one shout out to arzan uh shout out to everyone watching. We appreciate you more than you know. Crack tomorrow right here on this same very channel. And then on this same channel on Saturday night,
Starting point is 02:33:32 we'll be doing a watch party for UFC 312 from right here in more comfortable seats. What are we doing? Should we? Going to have to find out. Thank you.

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