The Ariel Helwani Show - Inside Boxing | Ben Whittaker wins again, Alycia Baumgardner shines, Conor Benn re-signs with Zuffa Boxing

Episode Date: April 19, 2026

First up, Dan Canobbio and Chris Algieri discuss Ben Whittaker’s puzzling professional career after another one-sided win. What is his true potential and who could he fight in the next few months to get him ready for world-class opposition (02:17)? Alycia Baumgardner picked up a hard-fought win over Bo Mi Re Shin on Friday night in NYC and continued to call out Katie Taylor for a mega fight in Ireland. With Caroline Dubois lurking at lightweight, could we get that fight in the fall (29:55)? As expected, Conor Benn signed a multi-fight deal with Zuffa Boxing, which will cover his next five fights. The question now is – will Eddie Hearn and Matchroom threaten to sue over breach of contract (46:26)?

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Go like and see. subscribe us on YouTube and everywhere else so we can get more eyeballs on this very, very wonderful podcast that we delivered to you twice a week. With that being said, how are you, Chris Al Jiri? I'm good, man. It's very much Sunday morning. I got my cup of Joe chatting with you talking all things, all things boxing. But I'm good, man. We'll be a little tired this morning. Not going to lie. Yeah, it was a long week. I was in New York City for the MVP all week long. They had us doing all sorts of stuff Tuesday through Friday night. A late start, 10 p.m.

Oh, dude. I'm not built to be up late anymore, man. It's killing me. That show started at 10 p.m. And there was four fights. I was like, oh, no. I'm not going to lie. I fell asleep.

I didn't even get to watch Baumgartner. I saw. 1.15 in the morning. It was the 10th round. 10th round, 115. That's not an MVP thing. That's an ESPN thing. You remember when Top Rank was on E?

ESPN, they were like, why are we getting the 10 p.m. slot? Why be coming on after UFC? Why be coming on after women's softball? Why are we coming on after bull riding? It's just what ESPN wants to do. And they gave, I'm happy to see boxing back on ESPN, very grateful. And I know that boxing friends are as well, but that was a tough time slot. The co-main event and main event were both really good. We'll get to that in a second. Baumgartner wins. Lonnie Daniels upsets Chedasia Green to become unified and ring champion 168, The Smiling Assassin. Yeah, so that's what we were all week long. It was a busy week of doing content and covering the MVP stuff.

There was Ben Whitaker, got a big win on Saturday. I want to start there because Ben Whitaker, what is he? What is Ben Whitaker? He's approaching 29 years old. He's an Olympian, another washout type of win. He's now with Matchroom. We've hear great things. This guy can one day sell out.

Wembley. The competition has just not been there. The buzz has been there. But it's starting to wane because it's like, when is this guy going to actually fight someone up to his standard or his skill level? Expectation, really. I mean, yeah, I like Ben. And when he asks what is he?

He's entertaining. You know, I'll give him that. You know, he talks to talk. You know, his style is very, very pleasing to see. It looks like he's got some pop and some power. Super brash. He's got that charisma to him. He could be one of those guys.

I mean, he has star potential, no question. But yeah, to your point, Dan, we got to put him in there with somebody who has a pulse. This fight was not it. And this was, listen, if Ben was the original main event of this card, it wouldn't have been Suarez. I'll tell you that right now. This was a showcase fight to look great before an awesome main event of David Morel and Calm Smith, which I really, really liked that fight. It's a shame that it fell out.

But yeah, that was supposed to be a showcase the first round knockout the way it was before a great main event. But the main event falls out and that happens in boxing and this fight got elevated into that number one slot. But yeah, Eddie was talking about this a lot all week. You know, and there was a lot of coverage on where Ben can be, you know, but I don't know, man. It's hard to put so much stock into somebody that you haven't really seen tested. Yeah, he knocks out Brian Suarez in two minutes and 30 seconds, was not much of anything. You know, Suarez was an opponent that has claimed that fame was giving Lyndon Arthur a tough go. But also got stopped, but Lyndon Arthur was not a puncher.

That's what I mean. Like, that's how they were kind of justifying this fight. All right, this guy gave London Arthur rounds in 2023. He's not ranked anywhere. Another thing, too, is that Whitaker, this fight was at 182 pounds. I saw that. I scoured the internet. I asked some people over in the UK

I was waiting to get back an answer on why. This was the weight. I understand that it came together late. I maybe can piece together that. But you would think, if we're trying to take this guy seriously, because I do think he has the goods. I do think he's very good. And light heavyweight is ripe for the taking

with a lot of the older statesman, you know, looking to get out of sports soon, Vivole and Better BF. But you would think like, okay, he would come into 175. like it lets us go through like a normal fight week as if you were fighting for some type of championship because that's the type of level you are. But I see 182 pounds.

And I'm like, so once again adds to the confusion around Ben Whitaker. Yeah, I'm going to assume that it was on the Suarez side about why they came in over the weight. If you look at Suarez's last three bouts, they were all over 180 pounds. So there's that. Also, like you said, it was a bit of a. He was a last minute guy, so maybe he couldn't get down to the weight, and they just kind of reconfigured the deal. But, yeah, that was interesting.

But listen, Ben looked good on the scale. I've won't 82. He still looked stripped and ready and ripped, man. So I wonder getting those extra seven, eight pounds off actually might bother him. I don't know. But he looked great physically, and obviously he looked great in terms of the way he performed. But, yeah, but this guy, I mean, he had been stopped three times. times before. We mentioned the

Lyndon Arthur fight. He's been stopped in the first round in Argentina. This had the writings of a complete washout, and it's exactly what it was. Well, he did what he was supposed to do. We talked about this all the time. We expect if he would have went in there and struggled, we would have opened up this show

talking about this guy's a fraud. Ben Whitaker, you know, especially with the Liam Cameron fiasco. But he did exactly what he was supposed to do. He was supposed to be the co-main event. It was supposed to be a showcase. He was supposed to come in and do exactly that. But now this, we're looking at a four-year career of a lot of these types of fights where I think the fans are just like, yes, he can get these guys out of here. He has

the showboating, which he hasn't done in a while, which I'm glad. I don't think he's going to be able to do that at the higher levels. I'm happy he's not doing it. Even if he was capable of doing it over these guys, just stop. He was pissing off a lot of people. I remember that a couple months back, even before the Liam camera fight, I remember being, you know, and I agree with it, because he was just taking advantage of people that were nowhere near his level. If you can do that to your contemporaries, like the way Nazim Haim Ahmed did, then yeah, I get it.

But when you're just doing it to guys just because you can and they're just nowhere near your level, you're fighting a guy with 11 losses and you're clowning him. It's not really, it's not really a good look. No, that was a bad look. But the fans could see. It's like, all right, another blowout, another blowout. Like, we're hearing about Whitaker. Is he going to one day take the throne from AJ in terms of ticket sellers in the UK?

You know, he does have the silver medal. or then you're another blowout and you're just like we're even if you're a fan of his you're sitting there questioning what exactly this guy could do and when he can do it and what's the timeline and that's what Eddie Hearn offered after the fight is a plan to have so Whitaker will fight on the Zias boots card which I think is a really really good move get him some of that US exposure get in front of the media here in New York who he's going to fight remains to be seen I personally think it's should be Jesse Hart. Jesse Hart fought Khalil Koh. Kalilko got the decision, but I thought Jesse Hart won that fight. Colicoe came in about seven or eight pounds overweight. Wouldn't want to

see him get rewarded with that type of exposure and that type of payday. I want to see Jesse Hart. Give me Ben Whitaker versus Jesse Hart. And then in December, Eddie said he's going to come back to the UK in a domestic type of fight. And for that one, could be a Willie Hutchinson type. So you give me for Ben Whitaker, you give me Jesse Hart in the U.S. then you give me Willie Hutchinson in December. All right, now we got something. Now we got a plan. Then you go full throttle 2027 towards the title.

I would be surprised if it was Jesse Hart because Jesse Hart can be a stinker. And you can make a guy like Ben look bad. He's tall. He's long. He's awkward. You know, I think they could use and could do Manuel Gallegos. I think he'd be a perfect guy for Ben Whitaker for the comeback in the stage. You got a Mexican who comes forward and bangs.

and he touched you. He's the one who had the fight of the year with Najee Lopez. He beat Khalil Kohl and then Kahl Kahl came back and then Kahl Kyi Kov came out. I think that's a perfect fight because he's the kind of guy that is rough, he's tough. He'll push you till if you don't push him off you, he's going to push through you. He's going to be resistance. And if he goes out there and bust him up the way that I expect him to, it's going to be a good look because the guy was in a fight of the year with Najee Lopez.

He actually beat Khalil Koe. So that kind of name on a Ben Whitaker's resume right now, I like that. Real pretty. I like that. Like styles make fights. Chris Algeria, the matchmaker here.

Like Najee Lopez, I believe is too much, is too risky. Too much. And he's got his sight set on other fights at 175. But that type of fighter, like, you know, Khalo who was just super frustrating

with his performance against Jesse R. And then also just blowing past the weight and doing it numerous times. His name has popped up a numerous times. I believe he's on his last fight with matchrooms. That could be a perfect guy there. But Hart is from Philly. It's a fight in D.C.

Philly with boots on the main event. They could sell some tickets there. You got that going for, but you're right. In terms of style, Gallegos, who is going to come forward and be almost tailor-made for Whitaker. That's what rounds from this guy. I just want to see what he's fully capable of because we talk about this all the time on the show. because we're not specifically fans of certain fighters.

We're fans of the entire sport. We want the sport to thrive. And with AJ getting older, with Furyon is getting older, they've got two or three fights left. You know, Connor Ben is not a ticket seller in the U.S., like, I mean, excuse me, in the U.K. It's important that the U.K. has a star, and it's very clear that matchroom,

this is who they think is next. This is who they're tabbing is next. Being 28 years old and having the amateur background and being a lightning rod, it's good for boxing. If Ben Whitaker becomes a pound-for-pound great in the sport. I agree. I 100% agree

because he has all the things that I said from the top. He's got all the makings of that superstar person and the superstar quality. So I think Matchroom is being smart. I think Eddie's being smart with the way that they're moving him after this fight. Because like I said,

this is just a bad timing fight because this was not supposed to be a mid-event. I think I got a lot more attention than it should have. Yeah, he's going to blow this guy out in the first round. He was going to do that either way. But now there's got a lot more attention on him because he was the main event. But Eddie, I think originally I heard Eddie say five more fights and that he's ready for the world. I might have misheard that because now we said last I heard it was three. He said three more

fights. Like you had walked us through. I'm okay with that, but I like that he's coming back right away. So he's got that fight on the boots called undercard. Then he gets one more this year. So the wordlock, we're talking 2026, 2027, excuse me, this guy is in big time fights, like legit world-class, world title fights. I don't know if that's actually going to happen, though. I don't know. It seems like a quick turnaround because this fight didn't even count. Like this showed us nothing.

So the next fight is got to be really, it's got to be a legitimate step up. Well, I think a Hart Gallegos type in the U.S. Those are big step ups, Dan. It's got it. It has to happen because if you're doing, you're putting it on the Zias Boots card. That's a pay-per-view here. And I will say the quality of papers have gotten better on the zone and over the last couple of years. So you can't just put another blowout in the U.S.

with some guy we never heard of on a massive car like that. Are they going to make it the co-main event? It's Ben Winaker going to be the co-main event to Zias and Boots, or is it going to be first Friday of the night? Because it's first Friday the night, you can get away with that. If it's a co-main event, then, you know, you really have to find. a guy that's going to push Whitaker and give him rounds. Yeah, and we can't forget about the last push that Whitaker got in the Liam Cameron fight. And I remember when that first was straight out of the ring.

Yeah, I remember when that fight was announced and I was looking at the records and I was going over where Ben Whitaker had been. I'm like, I'm like, this is a step up. And I think this might be a step up to a little too soon. And sure enough, we saw the resistance that Liam gave, gave Ben in that first couple, those first couple rounds. And I was like, whoa. and again, it looked like he was looking for a way out. The Ben Quiddicker mnemoniker on Twitter is just

brutal. I mean... Ben Quiddaker. That's crazy. That came real quick. The internet is undefeated. You people are bloodthirsty. But then he comes back and he does what he was supposed to do

when he had the rematch. But yeah, he's going to need a big step-up, but I'm sure Eddie and Matroneram is like, we've got to be a big step-up, but also we've got to be careful with this guy. If they have a Lyndon Arthur type, I mean, a Lyndon, a Liam Cameron type performance again on this on a car. Yeah, I do too.

But again, if it's got a wear on Eddie's mind, though. I'm like, oh, this guy's good. This guy could totally ruin everything with this. Nick, like the UK boxing scene right now is in a, it's definitely in a transition. And Matchroom has done an unbelievable job of finding over the years. They haven't done it in a while. No one has come along since AJ. And you would think that they would have had a guy in place already that could sell tickets and could do that.

And once again, it's not Conorban. He's not even with Matrim anymore. He's just signed an extension with Zufa. So, like, you would think Matrim would have had a guy the last, like, five years. While Joshua had already reached his peak and was starting to come down, he was now 36. So when Joshua, like, hit 30, 31, you know, in all, if everything was perfect for Matron, they would have had a Ben Whitaker type coming up the pipeline, fighting underneath, Joshua on those cards, and then it's a smooth transition, but boxing is not like that.

You know, there isn't like some schedule where everything works out perfectly, but they've invested in Whitaker. They got them from Boxer, and now we're going to see this plan. And one thing about Eddie, you got to give him credit, man. They know what they're doing over there at Mantrum. They know how to make stars in the UK. You see something here, and they're going to take it somewhat slow, but I think this is it. Like this type of fight, I think he got the win, but it almost like piss people off more than anything else. You know what I mean? It's like so weird in the sport.

It's got to the point. It was like, oh, great. He just blew out and just knocked out another guy. They have a no-hoper. Now we have the same exact conversations about the guy. Poor kid can't win. Right. Can't catch a break.

People are brutal, man. It really, really is tough to... Well, you have Eddie next to you. You're standing there and you showboat against cab drivers, and then you fall out of the ring and you go in a wheelchair and you call Ben Quaid. Like, this guy's had a tumultuous career to start. So it comes with the territory because what it could be is the king of UK boxing and taking that mantle and being a very, very rich and, you know, being the forefront of everything over there. So I get it. Yeah, we're going to ridicule the hell out of this guy on the way up.

Yeah, I'm looking at his record right now, his last three fights. I mean, he hasn't seen a round three. And he's dominating guys. These guys in good records, you know, one of them was the rematch with Liam Cameron that he stopped him in the second round. then he fights a 19-1 guy, stops him in one round, then he fights, you know, Suarez, stops him in a round. So, yeah, it's one thing to be blowing people out and staying busy, but I think there's just too much attention on this guy that they're going to, he's going to be under the microscope and people are going to be looking into his opponents. You cannot just have blowouts. You've got to be able to be stepping up and progressing forward because there's a long way to go before he's a star in the UK and taking the mantle away from a guy like AJ.

Yeah, Matrim's in a tough, tough little predicament here. But also, do we see Matrim being like sink or swim, or are they going to have to coddle him? I don't know. They're not like Top Rank, because Top Rank throws you out there. If you're going to be the guy, you're going to figure it out and you're going to fight. And if you lose them, okay, we move on. But I don't think Eddie can do that. I don't think Matron can do that with Ben.

This could be a moot point because Moses Atama seems like he's going to take that mantle. He doesn't have the personality. He does a little. In the last episode, the last fight he had, he kind of was a little more out there. Yeah, he came out in the post-fight press conference was good. I love that. I love, he said, like, he didn't think he'd get a knockout like that, but he was so happy that he got it the way he did.

He was actually surprised, and he was just like, that's what I wanted to do. Like, more talk about that. Not like, oh, I go in there and I try to get the knockout, and I try to do that. He was pretty forthcoming about that, but you're right. Like, Whitaker's got the, the people are going to tune in to watch him lose. He's a lightning rod. Whereas Atama's very, very quiet and very reserved and very classy type of guy. Where, I don't know if he's going to have a lot of enemies.

Atama, the only enemies he might have are guys that's like, this just don't think he's that good. They're not going to dislike him for anything he's going to say in there, where Whitaker can be a little bit of a lightning rod and kind of flashy. Did you see what Whitaker said about, because David Morel falls out, right? The fight falls out because of Calum Smith, not David Merrill. David Merle was still ready to fight. He called out Ben Whitaker himself, which I think was a smart move on David Morel's part because, one, I mean, there's no way they were going to put him in with David Morel now.

But still, I think that kept him relevant, kept him, you know, he's, I'm in shape, I want to be here, I want to fight anybody. And David Merle will fight anybody. And, you know, he throws out Ben Whitig. Do you see Ben's response? I thought it was classy. I thought it was classy. He sat down. He goes, yeah, you know, he said, he threw a little barb.

He's like, maybe he needs money, you know, you throwing that out. He was like, but he's like, no, we talked to Eddie and our team. And like, he gave respect to Morel's like, that's not really, you know, where we're going right now. You know, we've got a little more building to go. He's like, but in three fights, so I'm ready for anybody in the world, including that kind of guy. So I thought he handled that properly. Throw a little bar, but also gave some respect. But at the same time, 28-year-old Olympian, you got Dave Morel, who's the same age.

who's the same age and has fought for world titles already and has been a world champion already and fought David Benavides. Dude, I can get if he was like, you know, like Fabio Wardley didn't have a, a amateur career really. He had a few white collar fights. That, I understand moving someone like that slowly. Olympian? Like we've seen, like, Lelmachenko come in and fight for a world title in a second fight. Not saying he's on the level of Lomachenko, but when you have that Olympian next to your name,

and it follows you, your whole career. Like, you know, that's, you know, Andre Ward. Olympian, you know, Sugar Island. It's something that goes along with your career, and it's such an unbelievable distinction to have. Even on ProBox, we got that Brazilian gold medalist, Haber Konsei, Al-he. He's been in tough already. He's got, you know, he's got like 10 fights.

I think he's 11-0. He's 11-0 with five knockouts, but he's been in super tough. Like, are we putting too much emphasis on being Olympian? No, I don't think so. Silver medalist, too. He was in the gold medal of match, Whitaker. Yeah. Yeah, because we see guys that could make a team from a country that doesn't have a big pool and their Olympians.

There's different levels. I get that. But to make it to the finals and take home silver, you should be, I think conventional wisdom would say, all right, we're going to move this guy quicker. Not warp speed, which is Lomachenko, but not slow. Like, would be a guy that, you know, just has skills and entered the sport late. Yeah, I don't think that we are over-emphasizing how important an amateur record is and what. being an Olympian is. I think in most cases, it's not brought

up enough and it's not recognized enough. This is odd because he does have the goods, he has the pedigree, and he's still being moved slowly. It makes me think, what are they seeing in the gym? What is, what is the issue? Someone, yes, someone is

offering resistance here. Yes. Yes. Is it Ben himself? Is it his manager? Is it his coaches? They're not, you know, because we see guys that are willing to just take crazy risk. Andrew Zias, for example, you see a kid like him who's willing to take anybody on is calling out the boogeyman in the divisions. And I remember being around him and his team.

And it's just like, they all have supreme confidence in their guy. So is there a trepidation amongst the team that is causing this slow progression? I don't know, man. It's really interesting. It could be the fact that they, like, the business side of the sport, where maybe he isn't as good as he could, like, people think he could be in terms of being a pound for pound type of guy. But if that's the case, I mean, he's never going to be, if he's not good or if he's not that good, he's 28.

That's the coincide. Like, even with Joshua, we used this example before, like, there was a point where he was the best heavyweight in the world, and he was also the biggest ticket seller in, potentially in all of boxing. I mean, no one else was doing 80,000 into 2017, 2018. But it coincided with him being the best heavyweight at the time. this was before he lost to Ruiz and the shine came off a little bit. So it does have to reach the same point where your skills match the hype and the business side.

Because they can say all, you know, Eddie and us can say, oh, this guy could potentially be the face of UK boxing. But if he doesn't win, he's not. You know, that's the beauty of boxing. You step into that ring, we're going to figure out exactly who you are. So I'm excited to see what he can do in June. I'm excited to maybe talk with him and interview him and see what is all about. his personality and all that. Hopefully it's a fight,

like you said, a Gagos type, of Jesse Hart, a Khalil Coe of that ilk. And then Willie Hutchinson is asking for that fight in the UK in the end of the year. That's a tough fight.

Defeated Craig Richards and only has two losses. One of them is a split decision lost to Boise. That's, yeah. That's a really tough fight. That's a really tough fight. I think even a

Richardson fight is, that's tough, man. But yeah, Hutchinson, I saw Richardson, Richards, excuse me. But, yeah, that's, if he went Gallegos or slash Kevin Hart and then to a, Jesse Hart, excuse me. You should fight Kevin Hart, a comedian, that would be sick. Squash him into the ground.

God, they want to get some. It is Sunday, boy, Kevin Hart. You want to get some buzz, beat the shit out of Kevin Hart. That's Marklinson. That's some way to come to the States, huh? Come over and beat up one of our biggest comedian. Then I believe in him. Then he's definitely headlining one.

after that. That's great. But if he does a guy he goes slash Jesse Hart fight in, on the under card of boots, and then he goes into Willie Hutchinson, that's like, you're really ready. Yeah, you're right. At that point, you're ready for world titles.

That's a hell of a run. Yeah, he almost has to at this point. He's got Eddie in the ring with him, and it's got to the point, like you said, like we can't win anymore with these blowouts, and we want him to, you know, Benavit, people say Benavides would clock him and, you know, the Bivol's better. I mean, of course.

Those are the top of the class right now. I think he would even agree with that. I mean, he's like, I would say it. But he knows he's not ready for those guys yet. Yeah, so that was the card over in the UK. Supposed to be bigger with Morel and Callum Smith. And I heard that Smith isn't coming back anytime soon. I heard that too.

That's a shame, man. Like, what the heck? Was it bicep? I, so I was, from what I heard from some report, it sounded more like rib. But no one said that. I'm just surmising for what I was hearing. When I think of Calum Smith, I think of bicep because remember when Canello punched his shoulder off?

I think he did tear his bicep and had to get surgery after that. Connello just beat his bicep mercifully. Dude, that version of Canello, when he was on that run, oof. I miss that Canello, man. That was, that can all was fun. The one who had beaten up Joe, uh, Beelope. Billy Joe Saunders, the one who was ripping up Callum Smith. He was just crushing Brits left and right.

He fought like four times in one year. Coming off of COVID, we were dying for boxing. And he came in there. In theory, I mean, actually, those are aging pretty good. This Calum Smith fight aged pretty good for Canella. Oh, absolutely. That was a huge win. Listen, when they were announcing that fight, I was like, that's a really tough fight for

Canello. And I think if Callum actually showed up, because he really didn't show up that night, I think he could have given Canello hell. But again, that version of Canello, that guy was an absolute monster. And I was at a bunch of those fights. I was at the Miami fight when he blew out Yilderum. I was at the BJ Saunders fight in Dallas. That was ridiculous.

There was 80,000 people there. It was insane. He's waving the crowd on as he's walking. That's prime. That's where he peaked. He piqued there. I wasn't at the Callum's fight. I was watching that one from home.

But I was very surprised in the way that turned out. I was actually going to put some money on Callum. I was like, I can see how going to win this fight. It's amazing how fast they, your peak is and then it's just for canelo he's been around forever but like that to where he is now where i saw like a meme it was like a dog at the beach an old dog and he was like trying to like dig a hole dig sand and he was going really slow the dog like really slow and then someone quote tweeted and said canelo trying to continue his boxing career oof and i was like wow

brutal brutal into the canello's washed jokes and like canello's done which you know skull into Crawford and then not seeing him for a while and he's not fighting this May. He's fighting in September. So we're not going to see Canelo for a while. He is sparring. And I saw that he is training, which is great. But he's clearly, this is, he's in just like collect a check. He's in the twilight status.

He's in the twilight. Which we see a lot of Mexican fighters, too. Chavez, Chavez, Sr. for forever, you know, kept fighting, kept fighting, kept fighting, well past his prime because there's just such a love from the mexican fan base and there's still money to be made um so i think kennel is entering that stage of of his long and illustrious career we think it's mobility in september it's funny as you're talking i was going to ask you the same thing i'm like that's a really tough fight a comeback fight against him billy that's a really really i would be extremely impressed if canello comes back off a long layoff off a off a of a uh of a uh a

An injury, he had an elbow surgery, right? Yeah, but he's got that point where he has to fight big names. He's getting paid in an exorbitant amount from Saudi. They want him to fight over there. Like, you can't do a tune-up for Canelo-Avarez at this point. You have to go right into a, quote-unquote, tough fight. I mean, I think Canello can do whatever he wants. I think if he really wanted a tune-up, they would give him one.

I mean, that's... If you want the tune-up, he should do it like... He should do it in the... If he's going to fight in September, right? I mean, he can't. He can't do anything small. July. Everything's huge.

He can't do anything like in the next three months. No. So that's what I mean. He's got to the part where he's so big and he's such a name. And now he's got this crazy contract that he has to satisfy. It's like, all right, you're getting, September's when you're fighting and you're fighting in Billy. Like, that's one thing about Turkey that we like is that, you know, he got to fight. He's going to pay you a shit, Tom, but he's going to give you like these names.

And it's not going to be sure as. That's way too much of a test right now. It's going to be in Billy who's, you know, going to. come forward and doesn't have the best defensive skills. But I think Turkey is going to push Shiraz and Canello down the line. I think that's part of... It might be Cano's last fight. Yeah, I think that's what the idea is for Turkey and the timeline of this deal.

That would be nuts. I mean, that could be a real ugly scene. I think we're going to... Late 2027? If we get in Billy in September, I think we're going to get the winner of Jaime Mungia and Resendi's. in May for all Mexico versus Mexico, big one.

And then maybe the following September, we get a big Shiraz, Canello. But I don't know. Canelo should fight him, Billy, and then Jake Paul and call it a career. Yeah, I would. I still wouldn't. I wouldn't mind the Mugia.

I don't want to see Mugia again, but I wouldn't mind the Resendiz fight. Versed Canelo? Yeah. And then, and then go to Jake Paul. I don't think we're going to see Shiraz and Canella. We might see a big push from Turkey, but I don't think we're going to see that fight.

Jake is looking, he's huge now. He's a big dude. I've been telling him, he's a big dude. He's getting, he's back in the gym. He's walking around like 20, 2.30 right now. Yeah, I mean, that's what he's been weighing. He looked good. He still looked like he was in shape, even after the, you know, the jaw of surgery.

Let's speak, talk about MVP Friday night. I was at Madison Square Garden, super late night, ESPN, back into the boxing world. Christina Poncher, our friend, Corey Erdman. on the call and some others as well. Alicia Bumgardner defeats Bomi Rishin in a very entertaining fight. Bumgarner threw over 700 punches. She land over 280 shots in that fight. It was a very offensive-minded fight, 10-3-minute rounds.

So she did have extra time to work. But it wasn't like 10-2-minute rounds or 12-3. It's like 280 punches landed in 30 minutes is some high-level. offensive stuff from Bob Gardner. She gets to win, pretty wide scorecards. Shin was tough. Oh, my God. She took so many shots.

Just came forward and I just, we knew that was going to be the case in this fight with Shin coming forward. Bob Gardner just showed that she is levels in class above and, you know, from the same kind of chapter as Whitaker. It's like, her let's see her going up against some of the best. But I like this performance from Bob Gardner. I really locked in and was picking up a lot of what she was doing. and I thought she looked pretty good in this fight.

She's one of the best females in the world, Baumgartner. Somehow not ranked in the ring top ten. It's a political thing. Makes no sense. But she has a really clear understanding of how to box. She understands range really well. She has very respectful power, and she knows that he utilize it as well. She's got, you see a lot of like the East Coast style in her.

You know, she's very athletic. She's explosive. She saves and weighs. and weights and waits and waits and then lets her hands go. She has had problems in the past with endurance. That seems to be solved now. Like you just said, she threw a ton of punches in this 10-rounder,

and they were three-minute rounds. And she had someone in front of her. I think this was a good test for Baumgartner because the things that have given her trouble in the past, Shin would have been able to capitalize on, and she wasn't. So the improvements are there for Baumgartner. She's still improving. She's getting better.

But, man, I really like Shin. super tough, great chin, brings it up, brings it the entire time. I think she got a performance bonus that night, didn't she? Yeah, she did. So she was recognized for, for what she did in there. And I, I think that's really cool. And I love that about MVP is that they're really paying attention to what's going on out there and rewarding people who deserve it. She definitely deserves it. It's so tough, man, because mom got her can punch, too. You know, she's getting hit, to get hit with 280 power shots by, by someone who can really crack. And shin never really hurt, never deterred, never stopped trying to win.

But yeah, it was good, entertaining scrap. It was very entertaining. So was the co-main event, Lonnie Daniels upset. That was surprisingly entertaining. I didn't expect that at all. Yeah, we'll get that at a second. But yeah, Bob McGarner is a lightning rod. It was with her all week.

She knows how to sell a fight. And Jake said something in the afterwards. You know, she promoted all week long, which takes a toll on you. You know about this, Chris, promoting a Pachial fight and traveling all over the place and, you know, all these media obligations and everyone's there to see you. I'm not saying making any excuses, but it does weigh and does tax on a fighter. And for her to come out and have a performance like that and under the bright lights in New York City and be able to land closer to 300 punches, that's pretty impressive stuff.

Shin is awesome. I got to talk with her a little bit. She's just... Ah, that's good to hear. Someone that you just root for and hopefully she comes back because she, uh, I fought Caroline Dubois really tough, and now she fought Bombegartener really tough. And that's the question of a bumgarner.

That's what I was getting at. It's like she's in your face. And people are, she's a heel now. Like she understands that. I think she's trying for that. And everyone's like, you know, afterwards, all week long, we're talking about Caroline Dubois. Why don't, when are you going to fight Caroline Dubois?

And she's like, Carolyn Dubois, I'm looking for piranas. Caroline Dubois. That was one of the lines from Alicia Bobgarner. Or like, Caroline Dubbois. is not at my level. I'm looking for Serrano. I'm looking for Katie Taylor,

looking for big money fights, which you can kind of, you know, dissect that a little bit and be like, is it really that much difference of the pay? It's not like women's boxing's got tremendously, you know,

the highest of the highs are, there's not much of a gap between the Serrano and Taylor's and fighting a Caroline Dubois. And then you're fighting someone that, in Shin, who Dubois already beat, but you, Bumgriner, said that your level's above Dubois.

Because I don't know what's next for Bumgriner. Like in the ring, she's talking about Katie Taylor. I highly doubt Katie Taylor's last fight in Ireland is NAB against Alicia Bungarner, who's had now fought 130 pounds, where Taylor's at 140. Like, I don't think MVP wants Bumgarner versus Serrano. That's another name that Bumgruner's thrown out there.

I haven't seen Serrano acknowledge it. I haven't seen MVP really push it. Yeah, he's pushing. It's interesting because Baumgartner is chasing Serrano, Dubois chasing Baumgartner. And the ones being chased are not even acknowledging who's chasing them. It's interesting how the female dynamic shows up even in fight sports. But she's got to fight Carolina Dubois. That's the fight.

That's the fight. That's the fight. That's the fight. That's the fight. Bunkardner, Dubois. There's bad blood. They're on the same level, I believe. I do too.

I think Carolina Dubois is very good. I really rate her. This is not a knock on Bumgarner. Yeah, she's been around longer than Dubois, and she's had some high-profile wins, you know, Michaela Mayer and Terry Harper, but hasn't really lit it up since then. She's had great performances,

and she's fought on a huge stage. She's falling on the Netflix card. Now she's with MVP headlining. But, you know, it's been a while since that Michaela Mayer split it. That was the razor thin. One of the closest decisions you can get in boxing was that Baumgartner win over Meyer.

Like it easily been a loss. And then she's got multiple losses on her ledger. Not to mention all the other stuff, the suspensions and sitting out and all that. So it's not like DuBois is like not deserving of this fight. And they're assigned to the same promoter. The bad blood, it's just like, Bongara does that for something.

I noticed this with the female fighting. There's just way more emotions and there's way more grudges. Yes. It's always grudges. Lack of respect is. insane. Yeah. Yeah, that's very, very true. And I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's the old the old punch in the face scenario kind of thing where it's like men won't, again, but you see that in real life too. Like men try to avoid fights, whereas a lot of times sometimes women will get

catty and start fights because it's just not as dangerous. You know, when girls, when women fight in the public, it's, you know, some pair pulling. It's, it's uncomfortable. People get thrown around. When guys fight, like, people get knocked out. Some people die. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's a high risk, but these are women who know how to fight. It's like, they know how to punch. So even them not showing respect to each other is pretty wild because, yeah, they can punch you in the face. Like, they, they, and they can hurt you. There's more jealousy. I think there's a lot more jealousy in the female ranks of boxing. Like, for some reason, they don't think, like, there could be two of the same. Like, Shields is now going at it with Baumgartner or

other than being friends, and it gets, like, crazily personal. And with Baumgartner, she just one of it acknowledged that Dubois is a good fighter. It's like, I'm surprised at Baumgartner is like, listen, Dubois is a great champion. One day, we will face off, but it's not what I want right now. No, she's just completely dismissing her at all times. Like, won't even give her the, any shred of credibility. Which I think is so silly, because you can build that into a really big fight. That's a big fight. That's a really big fight. And I think, I think it'll really sell, too. So she's, she's missing an opportunity. You mentioned how she's, she's playing the heel in order to get more attention, but hey, you've got, you've got a perfect foil. And Dubois,

I like the way Dubois handles herself when she's talking trash. Like, she's, she's good at it, too. She went off too. She's not, she's not innocent here either. She went really deep on bum grunger after the fight. I love it. Like, personal, like, just name, like name calling. Yeah, I mean, but, you know, she fights with bad intentions too. Like, she talks with bad intentions. She fights with bad intentions. They both do. I think this, that's, I don't, it's, it's a no-brainer. That is the next fight, and I think they can build it up into a really huge event. Yeah, the fact that maybe, you know, you got Bungarn at 130 and two balls at 135, that's one potential roadblock.

I just noticed that, yeah. We've never really seen that become a roadblock in women's boxing. You know, Michaela Mayer is, like, willing to fight anyone from 140 to 160. Like, there's that many opportunities in this sport of women's side of things, where the weight... She's trying to fight Clirst of Shields. Michaela Mayer is trying to fight Clors of Shield. like legitimately trying to fight her. Like, that's awesome.

We're hungry enough. Like, women's boxing, there's, there's way more of, you see way more of that weight jumping and them willing. Terry Harper, she lost at 1.30 to Baumgarner and then won a title in 150. And then came back down in 135. Like, she's been all over the maps. Yeah. So women, you can see that much more often.

Yeah. So five pounds. I don't think that's a big problem. And I do think MVP will make that fight. I do think DeKiseu Baderin wants that DuPois, Baumgarner, fight. Like, he hasn't come out and said much either. you know like i said before katie taylor's got one more fight in her and she wants to do it in

ireland you know crooky park they're looking at no crook park they're looking at and crookie i said crooky the irish the irish listeners the irish listeners are going to burn your house down now croaky park crook park it's got that e on the end of it um not going to be taylor i don't i don't think so either i don't mean no no it's it's i i think i think think Katie's going to get a proper send-off. I don't think, I don't think Baumgartner's a right fight. Baumgartner Serrano, I'm not opposed to that at all. Me either. Especially at 1.30 because Amanda is, you know, she fought Katie Taylor at 140, all those, those fights, so, or between 135, or were they all 140? Regardless. The first fight was that, I think they were all at, no,

I think they're all at 40. Last fight was that, the second and third were at 140. Yeah. I don't know, I don't remember whether the first place. She's not a 40-pounder. like her fighting bomb garner at 30 i'm i'm into that i like that and she's also been fighting in three minute round so she she understands that um unfortunately we we mentioned macaela mayor um unfortunately she you know she's she's moved up so many weight classes we can never get that rematch because i think i think that fight deserves a rematch at three minutes i think those two at three minutes because we can actually get some separation but again that's as a fight that's never going to happen mayor really boiled down for that fight because i've been around both of them like bomb gunner is

tiny like i have a picture up on my story right now like of interviewing bum gunner. She is tiny. Yeah, and Michaela's like my size. Michaela is freaking big. I was always so surprised when she was fighting at 30. I was like, what the hell? She's super tall. She's a legit 5'9 foot 9.

And yeah, she's not like a super thin girl either. So like she was boiling, like you said, boiling down to 130, she's way better. She's as she's gone up. Her at 47 and in the 50s, I think, is a much better version of herself. Well, on eight Daniels and the co-main event upset Shadasia Green. Shadasia was like a minus 1,600 favorite in this one. Massive, massive upset. Shadija had a pretty bad weight cut, I think, because she was not herself.

I was getting hit with a lot of shots early. Daniels is a very aggressive type of fighter. There was these winging shots. And then late second half of the fight, Green kind of slumps over in her corner and the ref waves at all. Then it got really scary where she basically collapsed. and for lack of a better term, just shut off. It gets taken out on a stretcher.

Really, really scary scene afterwards to the point where Lani Daniels was brought to tears. And you see, it was just like the range of emotions were wild and why boxing is unlike any other sport. And like they say, you don't play boxing because Lani Daniels wins the fight. She's jumping up and down. Her team is going crazy. She just got the biggest win of her life. And then you look over and you see green. and then you see that she's in trouble

and you can't even celebrate. Like it was a somber post-fight interview with Ariel Hawani and Lonnie. I caught her backstage. We were trying to do something with her on camera and she just didn't want to do it. She just wanted to make sure that Shadija was okay. Luckily, thankfully,

Shadasia's fine and recovering and she came to in her locker and went to the hospital and everything checked out there. But that was some wild scenes that shows you that boxing is, it ain't like any other sport out there. now it's a super dangerous

dangerous sport we see this much more often with the men and the females it's pretty rare to see these types of incidents has happened with female fighters but these are bigger ladies

and and it's weird because green is the puncher right she's the one with 11 KOs and her 16 wins and that's not the case for Lonnie Daniels she's had one KO but it doesn't matter You watch Lonnie versus Shields

I did she basically ran the entire she she fought way different against green than she did against shields yeah she came she came right at shadia but you have to that's the way you have to fight chadasia you can't you have to go right at her you can't stay on the outside with her because she's long and big and she's strong um yeah you got to you got to fight her from the outside but um yeah Lonnie Daniels not a puncher and but that that should that should show everyone listening and and people who watch the sport like it doesn't matter you're still You're still fighting a professional fighter who knows how to punch, even if you're not a knockout puncher.

You're still getting damage. Your brain is still getting rattled. But the performance by Shadasia, you mentioned possible bad weight cut, maybe, but she just did not look switched on. She didn't look like she wanted to be there. She looked. Everything was slow moving. And she's a very good fighter. And she just did not.

That was not the same person I've seen in the past. All week long. She didn't, she's not wanted to do interviews and she's not want to talk a lot. But she was like especially just non-committal to talk. She gave us interviews, but there wasn't much there. And you don't look too much into that. I was just like, oh, she's another fighter that's probably trying to make weight and just ornery and doesn't want to talk to me and doesn't want to talk to anyone.

But yeah, that was a tough scene for Shadasia who should be able to bounce back. But Lonnie, I mean, talking to her all week, this was the happiest boxer I've ever seen on a fight week. Isn't that her name? A smiling assassin. smiling his hat. For her, because she didn't stop smiling once, just taking pictures of everything, asking everyone for autographs. She got autographs of everyone.

I didn't even know autographs were still a thing, and she was getting autographs. She's like, is that Jake Paul? Did he get his autograph? I was like, yeah, probably. You're on the card. I was like, you're fighting on his card in the co-meant event. Like, yeah. Her whole family was there.

It's just like happy-go-lucky vibe. And sometimes when you see that in the sport, it's like, are they just happy to be here or are they actually trying to win? Like, did she try to go in there and upset? She has the green or she just, like, hey, I'm on ESPN. I'm all the way from New Zealand. Did you get your answer, Dan? Yeah.

She came to win. She was getting there to win. Now she's a unified champ at 168, got the ring belt, and she's got a majority of the belts besides Franchon Cruz isern has the other belt. It was a wild scene. And, you know, talking with her. She's a Kiwi. She's a Kiwi.

New Zealanders. I love those people. They are, they are all happy warriors. They're a warrior culture. for sure, but they're like, they're such fun, nice, happy people, you know, Joe, Joe Parker is hilarious. She's like such a good dude. But, you know, these guys, these guys can fight. This is part of their culture. So even though you see her smiling and bumping around, she's going, she wants to find the fight, it's in her blood. Yeah, it was a wild scene.

And her talking to her and hearing her story, like, doesn't come from anything in New Zealand. Like, they have, like, our family doesn't have much of, like, any funds or any, really, uh, she came from nothing. Now she's got majority of the belts of 168, and she's maybe going to get a rematch if Shad Asia wants to fight on. Could maybe get a rematch with Shields. She'll fight Tranchon Cruz's Earn. She can come back on MVP.

So that was really cool to see, and we're happy that Shadajas is in good spirits there. What else we got here? Connor Ben, signs a five-fight deal with Zufa, least surprising thing ever. I'm glad you said. I was going to say, but we kind of expected that one. I saw Keith Connolly at the fight, and he said, hey, Dan, I saw. your tweet because I said we all knew that this wasn't a one fight deal. We were like the chatter in the industry was that this was always going to be a multiple

fight deal. And I was, I had to sit there and just like kind of eat it. I was like, yeah, I tweeted it. And I just, that's what everyone's saying. And he's like, I'm telling you it's not. I'm telling you, he's like, we only had a one fight deal. And then we're going to revisit afterwards and sign a longer one. And that's what Keith told me. I want to get it out there into the world. He's a great manager. I told, hey, buddy, you're killing it. I was like, do you represent media because I would like to get signed to Keith to Keith Connelly Enterprises and he said he hasn't gotten to media yet but um least surprising thing ever has kind of been with with Zufa um five fight deal two and a half years in length which should take him through the majority

of his prime because he's 29 now um the Ryan Garcia fight is what they are targeting yeah Keith did confirm he didn't say it's 100% happening but that's what they're looking at and all parties seem to want that, both sides. And, you know, there are rungs. There are, we know this, with Zufa. The Zufa signings that are going to fight on big Riyadh cards and big ring cards. And then there's the Julian Hammerhand types that are going to fight in the quote-unquote league. Yeah, those are like those are the roster guys. Those are guys that are in league roster. But now, like the Connor Benz and Edgar Belangas, I spoke to him the other day. You know, he's going to be fighting against He's going to be fighting for titles.

Like Ben is going to be in that class, that tier, like you said, of the Zufa deals. Yeah, so we'll see. You know, the talk was, the theory out there, and there's just a theory, allegedly. I mean, you've got to be proper words here. That it was always going to be a multiple fight deal. That the $15 million wasn't for one fight. It was for multiple fights. And it was a way that match room wasn't going to be able to match that type of,

offer that was a coupling coupling it and and driving the price up yeah right i mean i'm not even like a lawyer and i'm not even someone that's been in negotiations yeah because it's it's it sense if the fight was a five million dollar fight master would have matched that of course but a 15 million dollar fight i think there were 15 million for one fight yeah it does that that that never really made sense we'll see um i'm i don't want to see any more litigation in the sport i never i never root for litigation, but I do sit back and watch this Eddie Hearn, Dana White saga as someone that has zero skin in the game, but they're not coming after us. Then I'm suing us. We're just, we're just watching it and reacting to it. So Eddie, as we know, it's like he signs Tom Aspinall

to his management company. They're going to Tith for Tatt here. And we wanted to see how this cookie would crumble here with Conner Ben. Is he really a free agent? Is he now going to go out there and maybe re-sign with Match Room or go to the top ring? No, he was Zouffin now. So Eddie says that, you know, they're going to be hearing from all lawyers or there's going to be, like, would you be shocked if Eddie announces on one of his million interviews that he does in the next couple weeks? Oh, yeah, we've opened up some type of litigation or we opened up some type of investigation into this. Not at all. And so this got brought up a few weeks ago. We talked about it on Pro Box, but we actually, it was it was written on boxing scene.

And we talked about it, but apparently it was not true that. Eddie had filed something against Connor Ben. And then I ended up speaking to Keith Connolly. He called me like, like, literally, because we do the live shows, he called me like almost immediately. And he's like, he's like, that's not true. He's like, there's no, there is no pending legal going on between Eddie and Connor and our side. So he's like, I didn't know. He's like, I reached out to the lawyer.

And the lawyer was like, no, there's nothing going on. So, but it could happen. I like Keith. I like how he's operating. I told him this right to his face and I said this on the show. It's like, you know, Eddie's very emotional. and Eddie does all his interviews and he's going to, you know, talk about Connor Ben was like a this to me. I bought him a car and how can he do this?

And then I like Keith's responses. It's like, if I can get a fighter 300 times more or like whatever the number was, I'm going to do that. And that's the end of it. Like nothing personal. He didn't say anything bad about Eddie because Eddie has said I will no longer work with Keith Connolly, which I don't think is 100% true. But I do like the fact that he's like, if you're a fighter, because that's all he has to. please, Connolly. He doesn't have to please the public like Eddie does. He just has to make sure his fighter gets the most amount of money possible. And you would think that would be the standard, right?

For managers, like that's how they operate. They're working for the fighter. Their job is to do the best for the fighter. But it's not the case. What happens most of the time, the manager's careers are longer than the fighter's careers. So the managers get in with the promoters and they actually work more with the promoters and they do their own guys. It's a really backhanded, sneaky way and slimy way to operate on. But we've seen it over, over the years time and time and time again with managers and the way that they take advantage of situations and they're really in the ear of the promoter, getting the best deal worked out, making it look like they're only helping their fighter. Keith literally is there for the fighter. And he doesn't care what kind of bridge, quote,

unquote gets burned because he's going to be one of those guys where Keith is like, I have the guy, I have the guy that you want. I'm too good to deny, or my guys are too good to deny, and you got to deal with me. And I think that's the way it's supposed to be. It's surprising that more guys don't do that. But Keith has been able to operate in a way that he's been able to really, really look out for his fighters more than anything. Remember Danny, he had Danny Jacobs earlier on.

Yeah, did great deals for Danny. He had me at the end of my career. He got Jacobs 10 million for Canella. Yeah, which is wild. And yeah, he worked with me My last couple of fights And he always said, He's like, God, I wish I had you in your peak.

He's like, we would have made, we would have made 10 times more money. I'm like, yeah, well, it is what it is. But he made, we made really good money together, even though we didn't have that many fights And it was very end to end of my career. I was 36 years old, 37 years old, still fighting on big cars and still making good paydays.

What makes him so like, I don't know much about, I just hear about the end. I hear about the, when the deal was finalized. Like, what, how is he being? been able to become such a good manager? Well, it's exactly like you said. There's no emotion in. He's aggressive for one.

And he goes after what he wants. And he's always willing to walk away from the table. And it's negotiating one-on-one. Like, it's the art of the deal type stuff. Like, it's just like, yeah, you have leverage. You use it. If you don't, you're playing poker and you got to be careful what you say and what you do. And when it's time to fold, he just has very good instincts when it comes to dealing with

people. But again, he is very aggressive. he does take risks, but for the most part, they're calculated. Love that. That's really it for this episode. Next weekend, we got Jarrell Miller stepping back to the ring. Yes. Is he another Keith Connolly guy too?

No. Okay, I thought he was. No. Brooklyn guy. You guys are all kind of sticking to you to Long Island, Brooklyn, New York. Adam Kwaniski was a Keith Connolly guy. And he got some good paydays as well. Yes, he did.

Yes, he did. And he has Bumgarner. Yes. That's his first email. Yeah, that was pretty cool. And then I saw Hitchens was in the crowd on Saturday, on Friday night. Little Kim was there. Didn't recognize her.

Didn't recognize her. Yeah. Yeah. Aging super. Remember little Kim? Aging superstars tend to look at me. Do remember a little Kim in like the late 90s? I remember I mean like 13 years old.

She came out with the boob out at the VMAs. Mm-hmm. I was like 13. Like, wow. Open my eyes. But to see what she looks like that. See what she looks like now. Taging.

Aging pop. stars, Madonna. She still got like the, when they said, like, I was, I didn't know that she was, that she was going to walk, um, gunner out. I had no clue. So when, it's pretty cool, though. Cody, uh, Big Mo said, little, a company by Lil Kim. Like, I was like, whoa, the whole crowd got up.

It was like, she still has that name in New York. Oh, yeah, absolutely. She's OG female rapper, you know, her bigie. And, and listen, boxing fans tend to be, like, are not, not even just that. But it's an older crowd. It's not like super young kids who are not going to know who Little Kim is. It's guys like us. It's people our age and older where Little Kim was at the height of her powers.

So, yeah, she's still a big deal in around New York City and amongst boxing circles because of the age. Yeah, I'm looking at pictures of her on Google right now. Wow, what a difference. What the main headline I'm reading right now? What happened to Little Kim? Was it 2000 or the 99 VMAs? she came out with the boob out. It was with that purple dress, right?

Am I, my... Yeah, you just think as you just don't forget seared into your brain. Yeah. Like Britney Spears with the snake, and then Will it came with the boob. Yep, yeah, that light purple dress. There it is, man.

There it is. She was something else, man. Woof. Algeria's Google and Lil Cam on the search engine. That's when you know it's time to end the episode. All right, everyone. Have a great week. We'll be back on Thursday to preview more.

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