The Ariel Helwani Show - Inside Boxing | Deontay Wilder defeats Derek Chisora in wild fight, Mayweather-Pacquiao in trouble

Episode Date: April 5, 2026

We open the show reacting to Deontay Wilder’s win over Derek Chisora in what was a sloppy, bar-room type brawl in the UK. Will Wilder fight on vs. the likes of Anthony Joshua and Oleksandr Usyk (00:28)? Floyd Mayweather recently put his fight with Manny Pacquiao in limbo, saying the fight an exhibition while Netflix and Team Pacquiao maintain the fight will go on their official records. Is Mayweather looking for a way out (23:09). Next up, Dan and Chris go over the undercard of Oleksandr Usyk vs. Rico Verhoeven and which leads to a discussion on how fighters are ranked by the WBA and WBO (31:55). Finally, it was reported Keyshawn Davis will return in a rematch with Nahir Albright, scheduled for mid May which Chris believes is a “nothing burger” (41:26).

All right, everyone, we are back. It's another episode of Inside Boxing, presented by ppv.com, an association, association, yes, association with uncrowned and Yahoo Sports. I'm Dan Kenobio. He is Chris Algeria. We're coming to you right after Derek Jazeera and Deontay Wilder, the sloppiest fight in the history of sloppy fights. Wilder gets the split decision win.

Guys are flying out of the ring, slipping, sliding. Punches landed unbelievable theatrics there in the UK. We're going to break that fight down and some other stuff as well. Chris Algeria is here. He looks pissed. You know what? I'm going to not be pissed. I'm just going to take it for what it is.

I did not expect what I just watched. I did not expect to waste my afternoon, but I did. And I'm just going to go, what is the? Om. I'm just going to be. Serenity now. Serenity. I'm just going to go.

Okay. Well, come on. What did you expect it to be? Better than that. That was unwatchable slop. Neither guy tried to win. At one point in round eight, wilder through punches,

and I was like, here we go. There we go. The fight's over. And then he just stopped. Round eight is going to go down in the history books as the craziest round. guys hit the canvas. Chazora flew out of the ring.

The guy's trying to fight. For 90 seconds of the entire 12-rounder, they tried to fight in the eighth round. Chazora flies out of goes through the ropes multiple times. Went through the ropes in that eighth round, and his corner tries to help him back up, which is highly

illegal. His corner ran into the ring earlier in the fight. That was world of knockdown. Not a single punch landed. And then what about when Wilder got called for a knockdown in the eighth round? and he didn't get hit. He just lost his balance. The referee was atrocious.

Listen, we knew it was going to be sloppy fight heading in. I guess you couldn't really foresee how sloppy it could get. Either guy is completely, completely past it. Deontovale gets the split decision win, all sorts of knockdowns and point deductions. He's probably going to fight on now, even though he shouldn't. His right, his chopping, every round pretty much was the same. Zazora comes out with his head down,

bowling the China shop, comes forward, tries to cut off the ring, tries to bring the fight to Wilder. Wilder started taking a little bit of a step back and throwing like a chopping right. The right is still fast, but it's just,

he can't set up his shots anymore, Wilder. I saw a little bit more out of Wilder than I had in recent years. He surprised me a little bit there, but he got the win. Yeah. You speak now. That's your turn to talk.

I just, I don't, I don't have anything. So my mother used to say, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. So I'm just, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I don't, I asked you before we got on here, I'm like, do we have to talk about this? Like, I don't, I don't want to talk about this fight. It is our, it is our A block. I think to have liked it. I mean, there's, like, we know what you're getting. What would you like?

No, no, no, no, no, no. I expected war. His name is War Chazora. and Giante Wilder at least has a right hand. He threw it three times in the eighth round. That was it. That was it. And he was close to stopping Chazora when he did it.

He could have knocked him out at any point. Like he decided to throw... At one point, we saw like a fire in him. Bang, bang, bang, throws right hands. I'm like, oh, here we go. Here we go. The fight's going to be over. He hurt him.

He rocked him. Gonna go for it. And then doesn't do that again. Didn't do it before. Didn't do it after. I watched... you guys dance around each other tonight. This is like,

I, but this is, I don't know, man, this is something what I expected. A lot of the stuff that happened in that ring, I kind of, had a decent idea it was going to be that.

I thought these guys were at least going to be competitive. Like, I'm talking about, like, I'm not talking about competitive fight. I'm talking about them being competitive people. I want to beat you. Like, if,

if I was going to box someone even at my age now, these guys are my age. they're 40, 42. I'm still going to try and fucking win. Like, I don't think any of these guys tried to. They didn't try to win. They got balls, though, man. They definitely showed balls in there.

Like, it went to distance, did not think it was going to go the distance. What do you mean balls? Dan. Come on, man. They were they, they stones. Why? Because they signed a contract excepted to the ring and then didn't try to hurt each other. No, no.

I'm not going to, I don't think they could. No. I don't think they could. I disagree. I disagree. think you can go out on your shield. The fact that this won 12 rounds with these two guys is absurd. Chazore did have some moments with that overhand right.

Yes, he did. He landed in the left hook. He rocked. He rocked Wilder with left hook. I was actually impressed with Wilder taking some shots. He got his bell rung a few times and stayed in there, which I think was good because he obviously got the victory and he's going to go on and fight some big fights. But no, I'm not going to.

to applaud this. This is not good. Uh, man. Yeah, I mean, it was, it should have been 10 rounds. I don't know why they insisted on it should have been free. And it should have been free. That's out of our, uh, jurisdiction. It was a zone pay of view.

I did spend $50 for that. I didn't watch much of the undercard. I wanted to just did a live stream on YouTube, which was fun. Um, yeah, Wilder did show a little bit of a chin there. Chazora showed toughness, grittiness, grittiness at chin as well. Because Waltha did land some quick rights of the uppercut too. While I was doing that uppercut, that uppercut was working. I will say he figured something down.

He has in a long time. I will say that. But he could have done way more. I think if he has stepped on the gas at any point during this fight, he probably could end it. Because Chazora came in, the heaviest he ever came in, come in any fight ever. I can't believe he made it 12 rounds. He looked super gassed. He just, and I, color me, color me wrong.

I expected an entirely different fight. I thought, I thought Chazora was going to come with gas and be mean and be nasty. He showed none of that. He was retired. Chazora was retired already in this fight. And Deonti wasn't. Deonti wanted to actually win this fight. He still doesn't know how to pull the trigger the way that he needs to in order to get chaos.

But he can hang on enough to win a fight. and he did. He won the fight hands down. I don't have those split decision at all. But Chazora didn't, he showed up for a paycheck and to survive. I don't, I don't, I think if Chazora really went for it, we could have a, like a real go. I didn't, I didn't see it. Here's the thing I'm going to ask you think, you think that Chazora could, like he had it in his, his physical body would allow him to go more than he showed today. Yes. You think so. His last three fights he did. He showed that. could have fallen off a cliff in that time. He just didn't just didn't show up to try and do that.

Listen, you never know. I've been in fights. I got hit with some shots. And before from guys early on, I was like, okay, this is going to be that kind of night. And maybe he got hit with something early on because, you know, Wilder is a brilliant puncher with both hands. Guys forget his jab is actually really hard too. Maybe I got hit with something early on.

He was like, yeah, all right. Maybe I can just, you know, finesse this and try. trying not have to get hit with anything big. But also, he get hit with big shots too, and he took it. So, I don't know, man. I just, that was not the Chazora I expected. That was not war Chazora. There was no war from that side of the ring.

There was no war from either guy. There was no war at all. It was, it was almost like they couldn't believe that they were, they were in the second half of the fight. The eighth round is going to go, I got to rewatch that eighth round, because it was bad shit crazy. I mean, there was that one point where after Chazora looked like he was, he was completely done and out of it.

and why and he knew and wilder blew a kiss to him you're not a wrestling guy i don't think you remember russomania where shaw michael's was wrestling rick flare and he mouthed to him i love you and then nailed them with the super kick like i was waiting for that to happen i was waiting for that one last punch wilder detonates one last bomb lands on the chin of chazora he's out cold it would have been a poetic ending instead it didn't end because wilder couldn't couldn't throw the punches anymore in the end of that eighth round, and then they were completely shot from there on out for the rest of the fight.

The eighth round, it should have ended there somehow. But I honestly figured the physical toll. That would have been a poetic ending, but we didn't get that. No, because the ninth and tenth round, neither guy threw any punches. They completely blew their load in the eighth round. He went down, like, well,

you flew out of the ring, water slips, blows him a kiss. Entertainment. Joshua was loving it. Yeah, because he, because he's looking at food. He's looking at food. Oh, yeah.

I mean, I don't think that Wilder, Wilder obviously will fight on. He should not go near Joshua. He should not go near Usik. He should not go near anyone, the top 15 Wilder. Nope.

Nope. I want to see Anthony Joshua and Deontie Wilder next. Why? Because I don't want to watch that again. I don't want to watch what I just watched. again, I want to watch him fight AJ, a fight that I've actually wanted to see. I have never

wanted to see Deonti Wilde versus Chazora, ever. So he gets the win, he goes on, and the whole thing about this fight was being able to get past Chazora for big fights in the future. The big fights are AJ. The big fights are him or Ussick. Go right to those. I don't want to see anything else. There's nothing else. If you're not going to fight AJ and you're not going to fight Ucic, I don't want to see it. I don't want to see you. fight a Chizora type fight again. I don't want to see that fight ever again. I want to see you fight. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't, it's probably that's what's going to be brought up. I think that AJ's in that mode. It's either, you know, a Fury fight or something of that ilk. He was

supposed to fight Rico Verhoeven and obviously gets to the car accident and now Fury's fighting him. Wilder is a name at this point. And he did look somewhat good. Who pushed Rico? Who pushed Rico to he was going to fight AJ. That fight doesn't happen because of AJ's personal issues and then gets Usik. Who is pushing Vrico so hard that he can miss an opportunity and then go into even a bigger opportunity.

It's a way bigger opportunity to go from AJ to... Jason Statham is pushing it. Oh, that makes sense. There you go. There's your answer. Jason Statham is pushing Turkey. Turkey has some weird obsession with this fight happening somehow.

But back to the who should Wilder fight next? It's like obviously he should retire. I mean but if he is to fight on, which you will. Who should retire? He will both these guys, Chazora and Wilder. No shot Wilder retires.

I don't think they will. Should they yes? But do I think they will? No. Wilder will fight on. And yeah, Joshua fight whatever at this point. I mean, I think Joshua just absolutely can box circles around him. No, we don't even hit Chazora.

We don't want to see circles. We want to see you knock someone's head off. This is the heavyweight division. I want to see a fight. I don't want to see what I can talk. But don't you think Joshua would, don't you think Joshua would toy with Wilder at this point? I don't think Joshua toys anyway.

I think goes out there and tries to knock your goddamn block off. That's what I want to see. So, but also Wilder still, still dangerous. In that eighth round, he threw four right hands where I was like, there he is. There he is. He could do it. He could still do it.

He gets Joshua one of those right hands. Who knows? I didn't see... I want to see... It's a shootout. It's a shootout. I want to see it. I don't want to see what I just saw.

Anthony Joshua would never fight a fight like that. He's going to fight. Yes, he is. He's just got a lot more in the tank. Like Wilder's body language was awful. He's right hand as a little quicker than the usual. He didn't look bad early. He just like...

He's just lumber. He's like lumbering back to the corner. He's super wide stand. He's just, he just fights like very deliberate now. No jab whatsoever to set up the shots. Was like I said, not as athletic as used to be at all. He did make a good adjustment in terms of, like I said, with when Chisoribis had his head down, throwing that overhand right and just coming forward.

Wilder did just take a step back and just threw that quick chopping either uppercut or right hook. and it was finding a home. Like, Wilder didn't look as watch as I thought. Like, I still don't think he has it all there, but these guys very rarely walk away when they should. So if it's going to be AJ versus Wilder next, and then AJ versus Fury, if that's how Joshua wants to end his career,

we're not going to be that upset with it. I just think Joshua has a lot more left in the tank than Wilder does at this moment. Yes, but it doesn't. doesn't matter because it's it's names the reason this fight actually happened you got two guys who were basically washed and they fought because there's names um and they performed probably the way they should have you know like i'm i'm i'm i'm but hurt about it because i expect them war i thought it was going to be war and but they just did what they were supposed to do honestly they're both

in their fifth pro fight they're both getting a bag um they they dance around each other for for 12 rounds. The fact that fight went 12 rounds is mind-boggling to me. I can't believe it. And they would have been both better off if it went too. But it is what it is. I mean, here we are. I've already talked longer than I want to about that fight.

I'm watching the highlight right now. We're right there with in the eighth round, Chazora goes through the ropes. And his corner is helping him. Yeah, that's not. I can't believe how bad the referee was. Yeah. He took a point away at one point for Wilder.

He also took a score to knockdown for Wilder, for Chazora, I should say, when Wilder clearly slipped. That eighth round was kind of crazy. I'm watching it back right now on Twitter. Wilder did look pretty explosive there. Chisora looked completely shot. Those shopping right hands, like, he actually looked mean. Like, it was one of the, I watched it and I was like, oh, there he is, there is. And then, like, he didn't do that for the next four rounds.

And I was like, that's in the, that's still in you, dude. I'm there, we haven't seen that in, how many rounds has he boxed since Tyson Fury? One with Heleneas. Then, 12 would Parker. I'm not how long. That was Parker went. Five was Gilles-Jang. Yep.

We have not seen any fire in him since Tyson's three. He definitely had fire in him. Fire. Yeah. I want, that, that, that version of, of, of, of. Wilder is dangerous. I want to see that guy fight Anthony Joshua. That little point in round eight, I want to see that guy fight Anthony Joshua.

Yeah, if you could put that together. I'm not opposed to it. Like, I don't think Joshua is at the championship level now, even though he's now training hardcore with Usik and he says his goals have changed. He wants to become undisputed again. That was, that's a marketing ploy. He's not to train with Usik. Usik has his own fight to train for.

He's not trained with. I don't know, but they're training. Are they not, are they training? Or they're not, what are they doing in those videos? They did, they did a couple days together. That's not, that's what I heard. I heard they train like three or four days. It wasn't like a, they're not doing training camp.

I don't, yeah, they're not doing eight weeks together. But I think that Ousick is robbing off on Joshua and telling him you can go for undisputed now, which I don't think Joshua should even attempt to do in order to want to see it. I want to see Joshua fight Fury and I want to see Joshua fight potentially wilder. Yes. Yes, I agree. But I don't think training with Usik has anything to do with that. I think psychologically is good because we've seen Usik talk to Danny Dubois if they've fought.

And he was like literally like, he was like, buddy, like you're good. Like you can come back. And he did. He had a really good run after that. So psychologically, maybe Usik talking to Joshua, spending some time with him, can have an adjustment. And then because Joshua, it's never been the physicality. It's always been the psychology because he's so. so physically gifted. He's so good. He has the amateur pedigree. It's not as long as you would like,

but he's still a gold medalist. Doesn't matter. And I think a lot of it for Joshua is just understanding how good he is, so he can go out there and do what he does. And Usik is the kind of guy that could bump you up in terms of be like, hey, and you are that guy. He gave him his toughest fights. I mean, Usik, those fights would Usik and AJ were close and tough. And only Usik, could tell AJ how close they were. So I think that's really important. But otherwise, I mean, yeah, I think, I think AJ still has a lot left to go. I'm curious to see what he else he can do.

I still want to see him in Wilder. I still want to, I still want to see him in Tyson. I mean, that fight needs to happen. That's, yeah, that's, that's first and foremost. Like, should he go for the Agit Cabell? Or should he go for Wardley, Wardly beats Dubois? No, like, that's, but that's what came out of the, I know, but that's what came out of these sessions with Usik.

I thought it was cool as hell to watch them train together and hang out and everything. Even though you said it was like a setup thing, I thought it was cool as hell. And I think that Joshua is looking for something right now, some guidance or something, anything. And Usik is now a friend and I think that's awesome. But what came out of that was, oh, Joshua has a lot more left to him and he wants to go for undisputed. Yeah, every fighter wants to go for the biggest goals. Obviously, that's why you get in. And no one gets in at this point to say, oh, I want to fight grudge matches now.

But as a fan, and I think we could both agree that the best fights for Joshua right now are Fury first and then potentially a wilder fight if people want to see that. I'm reading the comments from my post that I put up, Bullshould retire. Max says one of the worst fights I've ever seen. I think it was a pay-per-view as well. It's a box of a fan that was painful. these are just names. Thomas Spencer says, Dan, your disrespect

for these fighters is ridiculous. They fought, entertained, boxing fans. How about you fight? I'm sure everybody how it's done. Hey, I have fought. I'm telling you that fight was awful. How about that? I love when people say you should,

like, just because I never fought before, it doesn't mean I can talk about it. Old school bar fight. Why is everyone criticizing this fight? It was super entertaining. Says Dubby. Stop focusing on the flaws. Dan Kenobi versus Deonté Wilder.

Um, load nuts says Joshua Wilder 100% is happening. These nuts. Um, yeah, it was a sloppy, sloppy affair that we had to see play out. It was like a train wreck. I expected, I expected slop. It wasn't actually that sloppy. It was just uneventful. It just wasn't what I expected.

I expect, listen, dude, if your name is War Chazora and you come in on a tank, you better come and fight. We didn't get any of that. It's just all marketing at this point. It was all... Slopin what I'm okay with. If you went out there and just like bombs away and through, honestly...

A couple times I did that. They just couldn't sustain it. So little. So little of the fight was spent that way. Because I don't think they could physically sustain it. Yeah. Well, he came in the heaviest he's ever been his entire career. Do you know that? Yeah. Yeah. And Wilder was pretty heavy, too, 228.

He's been heavier, but he came in. He still had... still was very fit, obviously. But he just looked exhausted. You'll gas the entire time. You'll gas the entire fight. I don't know how you look gas for 12 rounds, but... Crazy.

Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. Heavyweight stuff. Maybe you want to watch, like, a good heavyweight fight now. You know what I mean? Like, when you watch a felt like that, you want to cleanse the... You can watch any of Vanderholyfield heavyweight fight. I might go put on the top-ranked 2B channel. I think they have a George Foreman marathon on right now. Um, Tianto Alto wins.

We'll see what he does next. I'll be shocked if he retires. He'll definitely fight on. No chance to retire. I'm actually happy he won because I don't want to see Chazora anymore. He had a great career, 50 fights.

Yeah, I'm dumb with him. I never really was a huge fan of Chisora style, but this is it. He's completely done. I liked him because he was a mugger. He was mean and he was nasty, but like he doesn't have that anymore,

obviously. So like, thank you for your, your, your, your service to the boxing world. world. You've been fantastic. You have a great career. You're a superstar in the UK. You've, you fought your ass off. You fought everybody. I, I, I, I, I pay super homage to a guy like Derek Jazeera who has literally fought everyone. There's nothing you can say about, you know, bad about a guy

like that. But you want to go off into the sunset? That's, that is, that is your take. God bless you. Good. I don't think you need to be in these big fights anymore. So, um, But winning this fight for Deonté Wilder, there's a lot of potential for him moving forward. And not the Usik. I don't care. I don't dislike that fight, but Usik has to fight Aga Khabel first. Yes. He's already picking, he's picking Rico Van Hoorven, a kickboxer who has no business being in a ring with the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world.

But I'm not mad because Usik is picking the best. bag at the moment, as long as he comes right back and fights a tough guy. If he comes right back and fights a legitimate contender like Agate Cabell, totally fine with that. If he comes back and he fights Tiante Wilder, I'm going to have a real problem. All right, let's move on to Mayweather and Pacquiao. I can't believe we're talking about Mayweather Pachio in the year 2026. Floyd Mayweather did an interview last week where he stated the fight will be an exhibition. This is after Netflix, Manny, and everyone involved in the... this promotion said it will be a real fight.

Pacquiao's side is now threatening litigation, claiming breach of contract. Pacquio even said to Meawortha got in advance on his payment and has been spending that. So therefore, it has to be a real fight. This will not be an exhibition, says Manny Pacquio. Interesting to see that Mayweather doesn't have any power anymore.

This fight has to be a real fight, says Chris Algerie. How about that? This fight has to be a real fight. What are we doing? What are we doing? Netflix doesn't want an exhibition. They don't care about an exhibition. Vegas gambling doesn't care about an exhibition.

They want a real fight. We need a winner and a loser. If this fight is to happen, which apparently, contractually, they've already signed to a real fight, which is the only way this could possibly be. Mandy was interviewed.

I saw a video of Danny being like, he was so stunned. He was like, no, no, we signed for a real fight. And he said, Floyd signed for a real fight. And he knows he's fighting a real fight. So, but thinking how smart Floyd is in terms of marketing, is this a ploy to get more attention? I thought that until the deadline came on Thursday where this had to be ironed out. And apparently it wasn't.

So maybe Floyd is really pushing for this to not be a real fight. And maybe, like you said, he has no power anymore. I don't know, does he? Does he not? I don't think he can push people around like he did in the past. He can't put Netflix. He can't dictate terms. He can't dictate terms anymore. He can't tell Netflix this is going to be an ex-be. He can't just be the Floyd that we've known for basically the last 20 years. Because if it's truly he has these money issues, and clearly I think he does, if he's taking a fight with Manny Pac-Dow and apparently accepted a real fight that can go against his pristine record, is that I think that he really needs the money. And he took money already.

Apparently. Apparently. I don't know. Allegedly. I mean, this is what Pacchio said. It's what Pacchio's son. Allegedly took the money and is spending it.

What does that mean? We know that he has a lot of legal issues. He's swiping, Chris. He's swiping the car. Do you have access to the car? He's buying Starbucks for the boys. This is what I'm reading.

Okay? This is what I'm seeing. I don't know. Is he taking the advances? Is he looking at the money? I'm sure he's spending it. Because I've heard he has a lot of people to payback.

I don't know. I don't know. The point being is that Floyd cannot pull the same shenanigans they did his whole career. He can't strong arm

networks like he did at Showtime and HBO. He can't do that to Netflix if he wants this to be a real thing because Netflix can say we're taking where we could counter sue you

but taking it away and this fight doesn't happen because I agree. No one wants to see an exhibition. I have very little interest in this fight to begin with. If it's not a real fight I have zero interest in it.

The whole intrigue. of it is that that Mayweather could potentially lose his O coming back at age 48, 49. And there's a lot of people out there that would love to see that because they just simply do not like Floyd Mayweather. And the betting's betting line would be gigantic on that. And that's what's going to, the driver of this fight, we're not expecting a gray fight. The first fight wasn't good. We're not expecting a gray fight. We're expecting betting lines. We're expecting massive payouts. We're expecting Vegas to say something and then us do another. other thing. That is what this entire thing is about. So regardless of their legacy, which I don't really think their legacies is affected,

because if many goes out there and beats Floyd, does it, does it matter for Floyd's legacy? No, but it would be wild to see a one. It would be. It would be crazy to see a one. 100%. I agree. It would be wild to see that. I don't think it affects the legacy of the fighters. I really don't. I think they're both like... I think it affects

the event, like you said. It's the event. It's the gambling aspect. But just makes it more realistic. Like, a lot of, we've so many exhibitions over the last five years and everyone's like, oh, it's an exhibition, like... I don't care about any exhibitions ever. I don't care about any exhibitions ever. That's what I mean.

Ever. Because they're exhibitions. They don't count. Like, boxing is a very serious sport where it should always count. So when you hear exhibition, it's a whole different vibe. The selling point of this, which I pretty sure Netflix wants, obviously, is to tell everyone that this is real. This is

going on their record. They start advertising the fight and they start marketing the fight that way. And that's definitely what Pakey I wants. So it's interesting to see Mayweather, just kind of try to pull his old shenanigans and kind of get checked here because if you read a lot of these, you know, what happened with Showtime, what happened with Al Haman, what happened with the lost money is that he's clear taking his fight because he needs the money.

Well, keep in mind, keep in mind, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson was originally an exhibition. Also on Netflix. Yeah. Is Netflix putting their thumb of the scale and being like, no, no, no, no. these got to be real fights. More and more, it seems like Netflix. I don't think it affects the ratings that much. Yeah, it probably doesn't for Netflix in terms of the casuals who are tuning in,

but it matters in terms of Vegas and the betting. And I think that's a big, big, big factor in this. And I think Netflix, just like DeZone, is taking notice about what boxing is and the market share that boxing represents. and they're taking this a lot more seriously. We're seeing these big networks taking boxing a lot more seriously. So I wouldn't think any different that Netflix is being like, no, no, no, no, no, you sign for a real fight, we're doing a real fight,

the betting lines are important, you need to fucking fight. Let's fight. Earlier in the week, I tweeted out, like tongue-in-cheek, like the Yankees versus Giants, baseball game, opening night was on Netflix. And it did 3 million viewers. And there was some talk out there like, oh, that's kind of low. Even though baseball is a very regional sport, there isn't a lot of national focus on the sport. It's more if you're from New York, you watch the Yankees.

If you're from the California, Bay Area, you watch the Giants and you don't really have as much gambling like football or people will watch any football game because they gamble on it. But it did 3 million viewers, which is considered somewhat low. Lions Vikings on Christmas Day did 27 million viewers. on Netflix. Tyson, Paul, 108 million. Canelo Crawford, 41 million, Paul Joshua, 33 million. So I said, therefore, boxing is bigger than the NFL and MLB. And I was clearly being sarcastic. They had people just, oh, it was hilarious, bro. The comments are like, Dan, you're out of your mind. Look at the, look at a load of this guy. He thinks that boxing is bigger than, I'm like, hey, the numbers are the numbers.

But to our point here is that they know, like, Netflix, it's going to do a massive number. I think it could surpass Canello Crawford's $41 million Mayweather and Packer. They're bigger names. No question. If it's a real fight. No question. If this is a real fight, this is humongous and it will do crazy numbers. And like I've been saying this, maybe I haven't said in our show, but like leading up to the fight, the marketing,

where we're going to get to relive the nostalgia of both of their careers, Manny Packow's career is absolutely epic. Floyd made with his career is absolutely epic And we can relive those nostalgic years and fights Which are there's so many of them until they come together I mean the pre-shows are going to be crazy They've already fought they've already got all of this content I don't know I'm excited for that And I hope that this fight gets nailed down

So we can start the marketing now Let's start watching their old fights today Until Well, look at Paco. The Paco promotion for Barrios. I mean, that was one of our biggest weeks we've had on our platform in terms of views. And I was just talking about Paco's career. What's your favorite fight?

Which was your hardest fight, you know, rate these fights. And now you can do that with Floyd, too. Yeah, and with Netflix power behind it. We've seen how big Netflix can get behind fight promotions. I mean, I was very up close at both of them. Tyson, Paul, I was part of that. And Paul Joshua, I was part of that. Netflix doesn't mess around when it comes to marketing a fight.

They have an army of staff out there. Some other news, Chris, we got Usik Verhoeven. Undercard is set. What do you think of this undercard? I like him. But Hamza Shiraz fighting for the vacant WBO 168-pound title against Alam Begich. The deal with this was that Shiraz had an interview with Ak and Barack

on the Ring Chants podcast and said that Shiraz wanted to fight Mimbilly but Canello said no I want Mbilly so therefore Canelo is probably going to get him and then he was going to fight Pacheco for this title as well and then Macheco pulled out

so now Shiraz has left to fight this unknown guy here for the vacant WBO title here but that is one of the fights on the undercard Jack Caterall versus Shachram Gaseoff who is Roli's mandatory has been really mandatory, the WBA for years now. And Frank Sanchez versus Richard Torres, heavyweight fight that's been moved around all over the place now,

lands in Egypt. Those are the top three fights on the undercard to support Ussik versus Verhoeven. What would you rate that? Let me start from the bottom. First of all, I like the fights. But I'm going to talk politics. Start from the bottom. Richard Torres, Frank Sanchez, love.

10 to 10. 10 to 10 a plus matchup. Love it. Richard Torres, I am a big fan of. The kid is going for gold. I think this is a logical next step, but also a really tough step. It's a big jump up. Frank Sanchez can really fight.

I know he's coming off some knee issues. Regardless, he's a very, very tough out. And I really like Richard Torres for going for the gusto here. No complaints about that fight. Next, we got the, what was the next one? It was a Catero. Caterall, Jack Caterall, Giosol. Like the matchup.

Really like the matchup. Jack Cat, Caterall, really tough, scrappy guy. Fighting at Welterweight now. Hasn't fought like world-class guys at Welterweight. He had a really good win against Barbosa and 140, who was at 147. He beat Ben's brother, who is not really. a world rated guy. But regardless,

moves of Wade be as a guy with a name, gets this opportunity. Giosov, Giyosov, however you say it, has been the step-aside guy for so long. He's been the WBA number one contender

for so, so long. And I had heard that he was trying to step in between Roley and Haney to be that guy. He's like, I'm not stepping aside anymore. I got to fight Roley.

Really didn't fight for a year. I don't know why this is. fight didn't happen in the last year, which aggravates me for Giazal. Trying to get Pac-you-out, trying to get Ben, trying to get Haney. That's great. This poor kid has been sitting on the sideline this entire time, and he can fight. Seeing it so many times in boxing.

The guy can fight. So many times. He can really fight. And he's been around for a really long time. He fought one of my former opponents, Emmanuel Taylor, like, way back in the day. Like, this guy's been around for a really long time. So he's been waiting for his title shot. He's undefeated.

He's very talented. He can fight. So he finally gets his shot. He got against Jack Catterol. Like he's not a huge profile name. He's also a really tough guy you might not beat. And it's for some super title, which what the hell does? What are these super titles, Dan?

Like they change or super title or normal, whatever. They change the rules all the time. I believe the WBA super title is right below the main thing. Roli has the main WBA title. So then they're super. What is the main? They're super. What are we talking about?

I know. This is a mess. This is why the ABC came in and told the WBA, you need to eliminate a lot of these titles. That's insane. Like, W.A. is the worst. By far the worst. Anyway, so that fight, good fight.

I like the fight. I like that G. G.S.O.'s getting his shot. And I like, I like Caterall. So, like, Caterall gets his shot. I mean, does he deserve a world title shot at 147? Probably not. But he can fight.

And he's worthy of it. Even if it's a super. I don't know what the hell that means. I'm just, I'm not gonna even cover that. It's not technically a world title, but it kind of is. Right, it kind of is. But I mean, Rollies is the world champion. It's the same division, same organization.

So I don't know how you call yourself. So when I was a world champion, there was no other people in that weight class and that governing body that were the world champion. I was a world champion. I beat the world champion. So like these other titles, you're being another guy,

yet there's a whole other guy who has the title Yeah, WBA, baby. That's crazy. It's crazy to me. Sanctuary fees, WBA, baby. Anyway. And then you got Hamza Shiraz who wanted the bigger name. Right.

Fighting a guy who no one knows, I don't, if I don't know you, then, then do you know, do you know Bejik? No. No. No, they apparently went down the list and got to him. But okay. So my question is, how was Shiraz that high in the ranking? You're asking me questions I don't have the answers to, man.

When it comes to the ranking system, does anyone know how these rankings work? Does anyone know why guys are ranked here? But Chiraz fighting is definitely one of the top guys that 160. I don't have a problem for him fighting for one of the vacant belts that Crawford has relinquished at all.

Agreed. Do we want to see him fight in Billy? Yes. Agreed, but how does he fight a nondescript guy that no one knows? Because as you said, and Billy was supposed to be in Billy. Canello places a call.

I want Mbilly. So therefore, Mbili takes himself out of it. And they're going to make that fight. And then move to Pacheco. It's supposed to be Pacheco versus Seraaz. Pacheco declines. Declined it.

This is all, according to Hamza Shuraz's interview with Ack and Burak on Ring Champs podcast. And then that fight blows out the window. Then they go down the list. And they find Alim Bejik. Step on up. You're fighting in front of the pyramids.

Number three? I don't know what. ranking bedrick is WBO, but he's next in line. This is my point. This is my point. Like, first of all, how did Shiraz get to the point of being number

two or number one contender in the way class? Because he's had, he's had one fight. By beating by beating Edgar Berling? Correct. So Berlango was not highly ranked. You blow out Berlanga. Do you immediately go to number one? I'm pulling up their rankings right now.

beating Berlanger should not get you to number one I was kind of being sarcastic there but that's pretty is that Sharaas's last win yes yeah last win first fight last win first fight S68 I like listen I like Shara

I think I think getting a world title fight I have no problem I'm getting a world title fight no problem but how do you get this fight is my question yeah you're asking the million dollar questions in boxing, like how do any of these, like the ranking system is completely flawed.

That's like one of the, the sticky points for Zufa is like these belts are some of these belts don't mean much because they are completely. No, it's who you, it's who, it's who you know. That's. Shiraz is number two at the WBO at 168.

Canello is number one. Jacob Bank, who stopped skull is number three. Alan Betrick is number four. So why enough? I don't know why bank doesn't get it? I don't know. Bank is free.

Also, also, how is, how is, how is, how is, how is, how is, how is Canella number one? You know, you're asking rhetoric questions, right? Rhetorical questions. Now, I'm putting you. Because you're acting like I have the answers. I'm putting you to your irons. Like, I am part of the WBO. You're putting, exactly, I'm the one who made these rankings.

I know you're not. I'm putting you to the iron. I'm putting you to the hot iron. It's me like. But at least they're names that we know, like Shiraz is good. He definitely should be fighting his titles. Canelo is washed, but he's Canello. And Billy Canello, I think, will be a fun fight.

Shiraz versus Pacheco would have been great. Pacheco has been making very questionable decisions as of late, turning down all sorts of eliminators and title fights. So Alan Betjik, a German guy. Here we go. Pull up his boxwork right now. He's 29 and 0. 23 knockouts.

This is your chance, my friend. Good numbers. I mean, we'll see, but... It's a good card, though. The Sanchez's tourist fight. I'm really into that. I'm shitting on this opportunity, but I really think... I'm not knocking Shiraz.

I think he should be fighting for a world title. I was just wondering how logistically he got. How does it come about? Right. But not for nothing, he's fighting for a world title. I think he should be fighting for a world title. I don't think he should be fighting Belgium, Belich, whatever, but... Alambet.

But your pronunciation is getting way better. Are you German? You have a little German in you? I think I actually, I'm spending more time before these podcasts. I'm probably messed it up myself. Oh, good point. As far as we know. As far as we know.

But no, I'm not mad about Shiraz fighting for a world title at all. Well, lastly, Kishon Davis looks like he's going to be fighting Nahir, Albright, top rank. Really? First card on the zone. They're targeting May 16th. This is a little bit of a shocker because Kishon. Coming off of that win over, Jemaine Ortiz is looking for bigger names, calling out Haney, calling on everyone under the sun. And then they settle on Albright, who I'm happy for him.

This is a rematch of their October 2023 fight, which is a majority decision win for Davis that got changed to a no decision. If he's tested positive for marijuana, Albright went on to defeat Kelvin Davis back in June and then got jumped afterwards. by the Davis brothers, which led to the spiral of Kishon Davis. So they will hammer home that storyline. A little shocked that this is who Davis is fighting. Don't love it. Don't hate it. Top Rank's first card on de zone.

May 16th, they're shooting for you. You're being middle of the road. This is a stupid fight. Very, very stupid fight. It's completely unnecessary. I like the fact that Nehirobert is getting a payday. and getting another opportunity. But Kishon is is way above this kind of fight.

And top, like is too, levels above. Who knows? Maybe Nehir has, listen, I think I called the first fight. It wasn't very close. The hero hurt him in the ninth round. And Kishon, you know,

fought a cautious 10th round, but he won every round, second before that. So I don't need to see this fight again. Yeah, this is a completely unnecessary fight. Kishon is not at this stage to fight this guy, but again, I hear

I like to hear a lot. That's the only part that's the only part that's the saving grace for me is that. Gets another opportunity when he makes money. But I want to see Davis in bigger fights. Yeah, I know. I just, if these guys fought more than twice a year, if these guys fought more than twice a year,

If these guys fought more than twice a year, then I would feel a different way about it. But also, there's the opportunity for this to get really stupid and silly again because of the conflict they've had in the past. Are those going to be there? That happens again then. Oh, man. But, but, but, but, but what? Dan, that's my point. Why put this together again?

Why put this in the same space so this could happen? Asking for trouble. Yes. Uh, yeah. I do think it's unnecessary. Do, like, Albright getting the shot. Want to see Davis fight all the time. Want bigger names for Davis.

Now, this is his May fight. So does that mean he fight at the end of the year? Hopefully, I guess another 140 or gets a title shot at 140. But yeah, kind of like a nothing type of fight. I'm surprised. Also, Kishon is a guy who's calling out everyone. And I've watched people talk. They're like, dude, you haven't fought anybody.

This is not going to help the chatter. You're not fighting. Right. If you're just fighting like an ex-champ or fighting some of the one, there's a, you can pick through the litter at 140. There's much better alternatives, no offense, than I hear Albright. This is, this fight is a nothing burger.

I hate, I hate that term, but it's what it is. I hate, I'm shocked. I actually am shocked that top rank would, would, and Dizone would agree to that. It's just being speculated. It was reported by Lance Pugmire, who usually does, always does a really good job. We'll see.

They're going to hear our show and maybe that fight doesn't happen. We have that much of an influence on this sport. That is it. I hope everyone enjoys their holiday. We'll be back on Thursday as we get ready for Tyson Fury Fight Week. Connor Ben versus Regis Progrey, who Eddie Hearn says Progray's injured and he's still going through with the fight. Eddie pouring some cold water on the fight. Chris has nothing there.

He's got nothing. All right, everyone. Hope you have a great weekend. We'll see you on Thursday. Keep your hands up at all times. Protect yourselves at all time. Stay out of those DMs.