The Ariel Helwani Show - Inside Boxing | Devin Haney vs. Keyshawn Davis ordered by WBO, Lamont Roach vs. William Zepeda set, voicemails

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

Dan Canobbio and Chris Algieri open the show discussing the recent WBO ordering of Devin Haney vs. Keyshawn Davis at welterweight, including if the fight will happen, who will win, and the entire welt...erweight picture at this very moment (03:18). Lamont Roach is returning to the ring and the lightweight division as his fight with William Zepeda was made official for Aug. 1 in Las Vegas for the vacant WBC title (14:38). Chris Billam-Smith vs. Ryan Rozicki is this weekend’s fight to keep an eye on and we have your picks for this one (26:59). We end the show with your voicemails, ranging from favorite pizza spot on Long Island, to Tank Davis’ status, to what we do not like about the changes being made to the Muhammad Ali Revival Act (33:03).

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Starting point is 00:00:14 Welcome back, everyone. It's another episode of Inside Boxing or presented by ppv.com in association with uncrowned in Yahoo Sports. I'm Dan Kenobio. He is the champ, Chris Algerian. Today we're buzzing. We're buzzing, my folks, because the New York Knicks won game one of the NBA finals. The Knicks are up in an NBA finals.
Starting point is 00:00:33 That hasn't happened since O.J. Simpson was in a white Bronco going down the interstate in California. That's how long it's been. Chris, how are you, man? Let's go! I'm great. I'm really good. I watched. So I didn't realize this. A flight from South Florida to Dallas is the exact length of an NBA final game. So I watched the entire game. Sat in my seat and it was like literally the pre-show was starting. Sat down, watched the entire game. As the game ended, we were landing. I was like, this is ideal. So I was in my seat literally going like, yeah, I felt like such a fool because no one else was watching it around me. I don't know how I was the only person watching. I mean, listen, South Florida coming to Dallas. Yeah, it's the best option, though, on live TV on a flight. Oh, so it was great. I was locked in for the entire three hours that it was, and hell of the game.
Starting point is 00:01:22 It was up and down. Up and down. Well, literally, you were up, and then you landed. I was up on the way up and down on the way down, actually down on the way up. I don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves here. It's just one game, but these cardiac nicks, man, 12 straight playoff wins, three more to go before reaching immortality. 53-year drought in New York City.
Starting point is 00:01:46 Yikes. Have you seen the scenes, bro? Yesterday's game was in San Antonio, and there was still about 10,000 deep outside the garden, just chilling. That's sick. I mean, listen, New York, man, New York fans come out. It's hard to top New York fans, especially Nick fans.
Starting point is 00:02:02 We're diehards. We've been in pain for a long time. We're used to being in pain. We deal with the pain. But feast and famine, man. We're up. We're up. I know.
Starting point is 00:02:14 Let's get into it. I can talk nicks all day. But this is a boxing podcast, folks. Oh, I did cash in my bed. A couple people did tweet at me for an undisclosed amount of money. A good chunk. What a bet. What a bet.
Starting point is 00:02:27 And I'm also happy for our friend, Sean Sweeney, associate head coach of the Spurs for at least six more games. He accepted a head coaching position for the Orlando Magic. He is a massive boxing fan. He's a listener of this podcast, like one of the biggest boxing fans I know. Great dude. Great dude. So congrats to him.
Starting point is 00:02:47 I'll see you in Orlando. Come to the Karib for some fights. Hopefully he so hooks us up with Nick's tickets because now the magic come into the garden twice. Whereas the Spurs only came in once from the Western Conference. He got me tickets to Spurs at Nix. And he also got me tickets to Spurs game when I was there for the Roach fight. Great guy.
Starting point is 00:03:06 What perfect timing on that one. But now we're in Orlando. That's not that far for me. I'm going to go drive up and catch some games to make a little weekend out of it. All right, and that concludes our basketball segment here on Inside Boxing. Let's get to the boxing news because there's actually a lot going on right now. I thought it was going to be a little bit of a dead week with only one big fight this weekend over in London. Zufa heads to London for Chris Billum Smith and Ryan Rizinski, a cruiserweight fight.
Starting point is 00:03:33 But we'll start with news out of the welterweight division. The WBO has ordered Kishon Davis versus Devin Haney. It could be in August, early September. of fight. Heishon Davis is now the mandatory to Devin Haney from the WBO, despite never fighting at Welterweight. He has one fight at 140 and he could, he barely made the weight there. He blew past the weight at 135, but this is boxing. I'm not going to complain about this one. You know what I mean? Like sometimes we complain about these mandatories. Other times we're like, what the heck is going on? I actually, if the WBO has to force their hand here and force boxing's hand to get a fight like
Starting point is 00:04:10 Keishon Davis and Devin Haney, I'm going to look the other way. I'm going to say, right, this is a one, you know, sometimes they're bad, sometimes they're good. Kishon versus Devin, good. Yeah, and this is one of those things where young fighters, pay attention. Everyone's listening. When you guys call people out, fights can happen. You can make fights happen. Like you said, Kishon has not fought at Welterweight. He has alluded that he wanted to go up to Welterweight. But, you know, you guys get into some Twitter beefs and get into some arguments. People are paying attention, even the governing bodies. And they're mandating, like you said, so usually this goes the other way we're like, oh, where this fight come from?
Starting point is 00:04:45 But this one is a good one. I mean, yeah, is he skipping the line? But I think he kind of can. He's that kind of guy. Kishon is, you know, he's a former world champion. This is a big money fight. So I'm like you. I'm not mad about that.
Starting point is 00:04:57 I think the WBO is using that clause they have, which I actually like this clause, where if you're a champion at a weight class, you have mandatory position if you want to move up. Mm-hmm. Yes. They've done that before. Fighters have done this before.
Starting point is 00:05:10 They did it to me. It did it to me when I fought, when I fought Pac-Yau, it was right into the WBO World Tidal Fight at Walthwaite. I was world champion at 140. I was unranked at 47. Didn't have any fights of 47 of note, but I was a world champion at 140. So when I moved to the fight
Starting point is 00:05:25 Pac-yao, I went right into the position to fight the world champion. That's a rule that really kind of makes sense. It does. You see a lot of these that don't make sense and are like, how does this guy mandatory? Like WBC making Connor Ben, their number one mandatory is absolutely absurd. But I like that. You're a champion in a weight class
Starting point is 00:05:41 right below. You go up to 147. or move up a division, you get a first crack. But that's kind of not the case here because Davis isn't the WBO champion at 140. He was a WBO champion at 135. So there's a little bit of a gray error. He jumped two divisions. But like you said, if we get Kishan v. Haney, if it has to go this way through a mandatory or a perspid or I would doubt it goes to Perspid or they blow past the perspid and they come up in an agreement,
Starting point is 00:06:05 I'm all for it. Just where is it going to be? Because Haney hasn't fought this year. and we're now into June, and we talked about this on this show because, you know, I feel like he's haggling over negotiations. He doesn't really have a promoter. We saw how that roly fight,
Starting point is 00:06:22 negotiations fell apart there because of the financial aspect of it. And then you see Bill Haney and Devin Haney, a good few weeks ago, tweet out $100 million contract, and we all assumed that it was going to be Zufa, but it's been pretty quiet there in terms of Haney's. Will this be a ring card?
Starting point is 00:06:38 Will this be part of this new to zone, approach where we're seeing top rank fighters with Kishon Davis fighting matchroom guys, not saying that Haney's a matchroom guy, but this could be that push that we're seeing it from DeZone to kind of put on these marquee events, maybe get this fight on TNT, maybe figure out a way to satisfy Devin Haney's needs because, let's be honest, that guy, he expects top dollar at this point because he's been paid top dollar despite not really returning on investment. Yeah, he's been making top dollar with every organization, every network that he's dealt with over the past, what would be like six, seven years now?
Starting point is 00:07:13 Like he did the, you get, you get, you get accustomed to a certain level and you have that as a negotiating chip and and Haney's, the Hainees, um, the fighting family Haney, they, I'm talking about Bill too, because he fights in the, in the negotiating table really, really well. Um, they, they, they know what they're, what they are and they know what they bring to the table and they have that negotiating chip, a chip, because they have been there. But to the point of, of possibly is this a zone push? I think that would be really smart on their part. You see them more and more from a network standpoint pushing big fights because listen, if you're asking for a top dollar for a yearly subscription, you got to put on good events,
Starting point is 00:07:48 you got to put on good fights, you got to get people's interest peaked so they're willing to pay that money every month. Yeah, Roach versus Cepeda just got announced. We'll get to that in a second. That's on DeZone and TNT. You have July 4th, Adela Mason fighting, Joe Cordina, which is the debut of this DeZone T&T partnership. So this summer, we got to do that. back-to-back months with pretty interesting main events on linear television. Can we add August? Can we add September for Haney versus Kishon Davis? Or if it's a ring card, so be it.
Starting point is 00:08:20 As long as it happens. Like, I want to see this fight. Hichon is deserving of it. I know we just talked about the ridiculousness maybe of him never fighting at 147. But the dude is a world-class talent. And I think Devin Haney, we can all agree that he is the best Walter rate in the world right now. How does this fight play out between Devin Haney and Kishon Davis? It's a good fight and it's a really good fight
Starting point is 00:08:42 and it's one of those fights where it may come down just to timing and experience. Obviously, Devin Haney is a lot more experience at the highest level. If you compare their resumes, there's no comparison. Devin Haney is obviously way deeper in terms of the experience of guys that he's been in the ring with.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Big fight experience, Devin's got that as well. But in terms of styles, man, it's a great matchup. Kishon, we haven't seen him fight a pure boxer the way that Devin's got Devin has. Also, it's in a different weight. So it's a really complicated one to break down. If this does come to fruition actually happening, we're going to have a lot of fun breaking this one down because you got two stylists who are excellent, excellent top operators and are in their prime. So hell of a fight. Yeah, you got to figure, like, I don't think Devin Hainting has fought a complete fighter like Keishon Davis.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Well, there's not a lot of complete fighters like Keishon Davis in the world today, to be honest. Like, he's tenacious. He is, he goes for the kill. he's got that bud gene where he's trying to he's trying to hurt you like he's he's he's he's he's a he's a fun guy he's a funny guy but when he locks in he is very serious and mean the only downfalls for kishan the last couple of fights have been the weight and now we're giving him seven more pounds like he he really said after the fight in his last fight like a fight that he did not want and uh it's we always i always wonder with you guys you guys fighters is it hard to train for certain fights that you don't want is it hard to get up for certain fights.
Starting point is 00:10:06 You think, no, man, you're a professional. You've got to go through the training camps. But I think for the Albright rematch, I don't think he was up for that fight. And he still performed really well and dominated. But he said after the fight, like, making weight is hard for me. I can't do this making weight thing. So now let's give him seven more pounds. Fight out welter weight where he's a little undersized,
Starting point is 00:10:26 but that's where he's probably going to settle in as. But I don't think that hanging his face someone as ferocious and in their physical prime or approaching their physical prime. Or you could say Norman, but he was still a little green. Ryan Garcia, I still don't know how to make sense of that fight. Pro Gray was on the tail end, Villamachenko was on the tail end, Cambros was on the tail end, Jojo Diaz was beginning the tail end, Lanaris, tail end, Gamboa, old.
Starting point is 00:10:54 So, like, that's Haney's last couple of fights, and we know how good Kishon is. but then you have to throw in the fact that Keishman's never fought at the weight class. Is he a little too green? Haney is so good at disarming opponents. He's so good at controlling tempo. He's just a, he's not a star attraction because he just doesn't, I wouldn't classify him as that, but he's just solid.
Starting point is 00:11:20 You know what you're getting at a Haney. Like I would probably say that Haney would be the betting favorite, but it wouldn't be by much. No, rightfully so, betting favorite based on all the things we were talking about, experience, weight class, you know, being in with better opposition. But he's on hungry and he can punch. You know, I'm curious to see what that power looks like at 47, because, listen, he went up to 40 and started punching harder. So maybe the weight has been a real issue. 35. I didn't think he was a huge, I didn't think he was that big of a 35 pounder, honestly. And then when he went to 40, not certainly not a big 40 pounder, a true 40 pounder perhaps,
Starting point is 00:11:52 but now at 47, you got to think he's going to be a smaller guy because Devin's big. Devin's a big 47 pounder at this point. He's grown into these weight. classes. And in Devin's defense, those older guys that he fought, Devin was still developing. And they knew he was killing himself to make weight. Thirty-five was crazy. I can't believe he made 35 as long as he did. You know, he hung around for that Lomachenko fight, but that was a feat to make that weight back then. And then even with the Ryan fight, we were backstage. Remember that? When they were coming up, coming up the Barclays, up the stadium. And we could, I could see Devin's face. He was sucked in to make 140. And he's a, you know, he's a, you know,
Starting point is 00:12:28 and he goes at 47 and look bigger and stronger than ever. So obviously dropping a Moon orman with that left hook early on. So there's a lot of questions about this fight. You know, even though you say like, you know what you get with Devin. Do we though? Because I don't know, because I think we're seeing the most complete version of Devin here
Starting point is 00:12:44 if we're going off of his last performance against Brian. But, yeah, this is a good fight. I just think he's more dependable. Yeah. He'll be the favorite for a reason. I've always said this about Devin. In terms of his talent, yes, he's super talented. Like when we were talking about the Ryan and Devin matchup leading up to it, I was like,
Starting point is 00:13:01 Ryan's more physically gifted, more talented, but Devin's discipline is something different. I think that's ultimately his best asset. As good as he is talented, as physical and athletic as he is. His discipline, I think, is his strongest point. That kid locks in in camp and on fight night. So there's that because Keishon, that's really the only question with him, right? Because physically he's got all the talent. He's got, we've seen him perform at his best.
Starting point is 00:13:25 We've also seen him underperform because of maybe outside of the range. issues because of maybe a lack of discipline at times. Him even saying, like, I don't want to make late anymore. I don't know. The top operators do until they can't. They keep it to themselves. But with Kishon is kind of an open book in terms of what's going on upstairs because he doesn't really filter himself.
Starting point is 00:13:44 So I don't know. There's a lot of question marks in this fight, even though, you know, everything we just said. Hope we get it. Yes. Hope we get it. I'd be surprised, honestly. I don't, I'm being pessimistic. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:13:57 We're on like fight number three. like this is negotiation number three of 2026. He hasn't fought this year. He had an amazing win over Brian Norman and you're really going to sit out the first half and potentially the entire year. The Ryan Garcia fight is just sailed. I don't know what happened to that.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Ralee Romero fight never came to fruition. Here comes Keishon Davis. Haney, come on, bro. You want to bill yourself as one of the top guys in the sport. Figure out a way to make this fight happen. Yeah. Dude, you never know what goes on behind closed doors at these negotiating tables.
Starting point is 00:14:29 I always say this is the best sport in the world worst business. And a lot of this sport depends on what happens behind closed doors. Yeah. A fight that is official. It just got announced. I really like it.
Starting point is 00:14:41 Lamont Roach versus Zepeda. I don't know why I want to call him Jose Sipeda. That's not his name's William Zepeda. Lamont Roach, William Zepeda, August 1st, vacant WBC title, Shakur vacated the belt after not paying the sanctioning fees. So this is a good one here. We've seen a lot of times where vacant fights or you were two guys we've never heard of
Starting point is 00:15:08 or a guy we never heard of going up against an established name. But this is a good fight. Lamont Roach going back down to 135 after fighting pit bull at 140, he told us in a lot of interviews that he can go to either weight. I think that is huge for him and very beneficial. and Zepeda, who's coming off that Chachor loss, but fought Chacore really tough. Yeah. Especially in hindsight.
Starting point is 00:15:30 In hindsight, when you see how poorly T. Afima performed and you see how good Zapeta, great fight. And I love that it's for a vacant strap. Yeah, great fight. Lamont deserves this. He's been earning his stripes in tough fight after tough fight. It's a tough fight. I believe this is going to be his fourth world title fight in three-way classes
Starting point is 00:15:48 because he defended his title at 130. Then he was at 35, got the draw. with Javanta. Then he moves up to 40. He gets the draw with Cruz. Then he moves back down the 35. So that's the third weight class up and down. But fourth title fight in a row. But I think it's deserved it because a lot of people look at these draws like, yo, he should have won the Javanta fight. And the Cruz fight was a pickam fight where I think a lot of people had him winning. I had it a draw. I thought it was a proper draw. But regardless, he performed really well in a new weight class. They really didn't belong in because obviously he's going back down
Starting point is 00:16:20 the 35, that's not really where he wants the campaign. And like you said, his ability to move up and down, he's really hit his stride at the perfect time. You know, he caught a bad, he caught a bad loss to Jamel Herring, like underperformed. I don't know if it was the lights. I don't know if it was the opportunity. I don't know if it was just too young and too green against Jamel, who's a super, super seasoned guy. But yeah, since then, I mean, he's really put the, put the pedal to the floor and is coming really into his own at a right, such a good time. Yeah, he's 30 years old.
Starting point is 00:16:53 This is where you got to start making the big fights. He's on quite a run. To go, I was a champ at 130, but was still like kind of under the radar to the point where he was a massive underdog against Chimanta Davis. I remember when that fight was made being like, oh man, this is going to be a tank.
Starting point is 00:17:08 15 to 1, 16 to 1, something like that? Yes. I remember saying this is going to be another highlight real knockout for tank. He was just coming off of the Frank Martin win and I was like, okay, this is a, this is not going to be much of a competitive fight, and I was wrong. Well, remember, we did our show in Brooklyn together. We were in the same room for once, actually doing the show together, and we were talking about this fight. I was like, I mean, Lamont can trouble him.
Starting point is 00:17:31 You know, I think Geront might get him late because Geront has that game-changing power. But I think in terms of their ability to box and uses Ring IQ, Lamont's right there, and he showed that. Yeah, being around him that week was kind of the first time I ever interacted. with the amount of confidence that guy has. Oh, he's awesome. How cohesive his team was. And then I worked the prime broadcast for that. I was doing backstage interviews.
Starting point is 00:17:55 And I went to tanks room first. And it was like a morgue in there. It was so tight, dead silent, just weird vibes in there. Go over to Lamonts. They're having a good time. There's cohesiveness. There's music playing. He just has a good team.
Starting point is 00:18:11 And his supreme confidence goes out there and arguably beats Tank. And that's when he became a real, name in this sport. And then the Roach fight too. Like going into enemy territory there. You mean the cruise fight? Yeah, sorry. The cruise fight, which I also thought was a draw. I thought he fought tough early. It took him a little bit to warm up. He went down early. Broke his hand too. Broke his hand. It's a good fight. Zepeda's going to bring it. I mean, this is a good stylistic fight too because
Starting point is 00:18:38 Zepeda just knows one way and that's forward. He's still through 80 to 90 punches against Chakor, which I was shocked. I didn't think he'd be able to do that and still had moments against your core. So he's gonna, you know what Sepeda isn't doing to do. He's gonna come in there and be on that front foot. And like, I feel like Roach likes to be on the front foot, even though there are times. So I'm like, dude, you need to box more. Like, you use your athleticism. So we could have ourselves on a brawl if Roach really wants to make it that. I don't know who to, I'll probably favor Roach in this fight. The issue with Roach is he's a pocket fighter and he's a high contact fighter. He's not a mover.
Starting point is 00:19:14 He's going to stay in front of you. He's going to catch and shoot. He's going to control distance. He's going to hit you just as you step over that line. And he's going to try and control you in that way. He's a control fighter, but he will stay in the pocket. He's not going to get on his feet and move. Like Devin Farmer, Tevin Farmer gave Zepeda a lot of trouble because Tevin has feet and he uses his feet.
Starting point is 00:19:33 Even an elder Tevin Farmer had very, very good feet. And stylistically, he was able to utilize that and keep moving, keep countering. And there are things that Tevin and Lamont do very similarly in terms of of, you know, they're catching and shooting, being in front of you, the shoulder roll defense. But Lamont doesn't move the way Tevin does. Although we saw Lamont move in the second half of the cruise fight because he had to with the hand. So he's got that ability. Does he choose to move a little bit more in this fight?
Starting point is 00:20:00 Does that the difference? Does he stay in the pocket and get overwhelmed? Does he stay in the pocket to make the fight too close? Does he catch another draw? I mean, it's a really tough fight to handle. Three draws in a row would be crazy. I might bet it. I might bet the draw because.
Starting point is 00:20:14 is Zipater's one of those guys who pushes. I wonder if the draw will be less than the usual. 4,000. Yeah, I think maybe because, I mean, for him to get a draw again, like he's, you know, he didn't win the title against Tank, and he didn't get the, I think what was on the line for the pit bull fight? It was like a vacant title. Yeah, there was a title on that.
Starting point is 00:20:33 It might have been an interim. I think it was an interim. Right, and he didn't get that. And now he's back trying to get that WBC title, a lightweight. And it's interesting, because lightweight is, like changing and right before our eyes like tank we don't know what's going on with tank so i don't really put them in there but you know abdala mason has the wbio morataya has the ibf maritaya is
Starting point is 00:20:55 fighting can say sao on this card um oh this one right here on the card that's cool but that's gonna that's gonna that's gonna be muratia's last fight at 35 regardless he's probably going to 140 and then you have the wba situation where they ordered tank to fight schofield And like you said, don't know how to classify Tank. Is he ever going to come back? I don't know. Then we have my guy Lucas Body, MVP fighter, who, WBA needs to just come up with a decision here.
Starting point is 00:21:28 Like, come on. They're jerking this guy body around who has come up the hard way. I've gotten to know him over the years. Like he doesn't have the star profile of Tank or even the promoter of Schofield with Golden Boy. So he like, he's not going to be handed a fight. fight. He went in there and earned it. I'd love to see Body get that chance against Schofield. If Tank decides to, I don't know, do whatever tank does. I don't think tanks coming right back into his Schofield fight. I don't, I don't see that
Starting point is 00:21:58 really in the cards. I think Body could get that opportunity. Body Schofield, great fight. I think that's a good fight. Bring that fight because, and that's an interesting fight too. I don't want to move too far away from the Lamont Roach because I'm a done on that one. but because we've seen Schofield get hurt late in a fight against Teyes. He's a ProBXTV guy who's fought him fighters, tough as nails. And Body has late power. We've seen that. So Body's one of those guys where you, as long as the fight's going on, you've got to be locked.
Starting point is 00:22:27 And Schofield is super good, super talented, of course. But listen, 12 rounds is a long time for a puncher to find a spot. And Body's the kind of guy who only needs one. So it's a good fight. that can be made too i feel like MVP's willing to work with these guys and they're willing to they're willing to work with anybody they i love that of MVP they get their guys into position they don't they're not disruptors i always say that there's there's when you come to a table there's there's deal makers and there's deal disruptors MVP is they are their deal makers
Starting point is 00:22:57 disruptors are the key sir like to say that they are disruptors going into mbma in a different well they're they're disrupting culture that's a different thing that's cool they you know disrupting culture is cool disrupting deals disrupting good fights That's not cool. No. Anything else on Roach? Yes. Roach.
Starting point is 00:23:13 Because Roach is a ProBox TV fighter, for those of you who don't know. So I've been had a lot of personal dealings with the whole Roach team. We call a lot of the fights for his entire gym, super talented guys out of the DMV. And everything you said about him is absolutely true. That that confidence is genuine. They have a system. The Papa Roach there. Lamont Roach Sr.
Starting point is 00:23:36 Papa Roach. Isn't that like a band? That's a throwback. That's a throwback. That's a real throwback. Our older listeners will get that one. But Lamont Roach Sr. is, that guy is all business. And he knows how to create champions.
Starting point is 00:23:48 They have so many national champions out of the gym all trained by Roach Senior. It's crazy. It's crazy. I actually want to bring my nephew down there because I'm like, you obviously know something about these amateurs. You figure this thing out. And now with his son Lamont and Jordan Roach also coming up from behind too, coming from much younger, but coming up, or younger in his career, I should say. But coming up, they are figuring out the pro game as well.
Starting point is 00:24:10 And everything with them is a business. So they're systematically approaching everything they're doing in this business the right way. It's been really cool to see because I get to see it on the inside because of the dealings of Pro Box and Lamont. Also a little caveat, this fight not being in Texas. Vegas is more neutral. Yes. Huge Mexican audience. But Mexican audience has already met Roach.
Starting point is 00:24:36 They met him in Cruz. They said it's a different thing. They like this guy. Texas crowd for Mexicans is way different than a Vegas. Thank you. This is in a smaller room in Vegas. Thank you. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:24:45 So the home field advantage will be less. Yes, it's still going to be in Zapata's side, but much, much less. And that was a point of contention in negotiating this fight, a little inside boxing here coming from me over here. Yes. So that was a point of contention. I'm making this fight actually to be announced. So I'm happy to hear that's in Vegas. Yeah, we even said it in our lead up to that one.
Starting point is 00:25:06 I was in my cowboy hat in Texas. I was like, guys, there's going to be some fuckery here. I mean, there wasn't. There wasn't. Really? I don't know. I had no problem. When I watched it back the second time, I was like, okay, yeah, Pip, I could see how
Starting point is 00:25:19 pit bull won, but I can also see a draw. I don't think Roads lost, but you didn't. But he came away with not much. This fight's also on TNT. Cool. Which is really cool. Very cool. So, we just said before, like, summer, July, and August is set one a month on what
Starting point is 00:25:35 they're calling the fight. And I've heard that they're going to have like a studio lead-in, kind of like an inside the NBA, literally same set in Atlanta, with fighters on there, and they're going to give it the treatment. You know, they're going to have a pre-game show.
Starting point is 00:25:51 Like, boxing, I don't remember the last time boxing's had that or ever had that. Real production. I love it. That's pretty damn cool. I'm really curious to see how it looks. I know that House of Highlights and Bleach Report is going to get in on the digital side
Starting point is 00:26:02 and really push these fights. So I think it's really cool. TNT. I know it's not the biggest network, but it's still turner, it's still linear, it's still something, they're investing in the sport. And I think these are two good main events for the summer. All right, it's time to get to our Fandul segment right now. New customers sign up for Fandul Sportsbook, place a $5 wager and get $50 in bonus bets each day for seven days. That means you'll get $350 in bonus bets when you bet $5 for the next seven days. You could bet on the Knicks and the Spurs.
Starting point is 00:26:37 That series, I think, should last seven days. Nix might end it by Wednesday and sweep these guys. So throw some money potentially on the Knicks, who came in as underdogs on the road yesterday they covered. There's a lot of good prop bets out there. Obviously, you could bet on the boxing as well. So shout out to our friends over at Fandle. So let's get into the odds this weekend.
Starting point is 00:26:59 We got Chris Billim Smith going up against Ryan Rosinski. This is a fight between two top 10 rated cruiser rates right now is Billiam Smith is the favorite minus 430. It's a pretty sizable favorite in this fight, but it makes sense. Bill and Smith has a much better resume, has much better wins. Billiam Smith's stoppage plus 240. Billiam Smith on points is minus 120. Rizinski is, like I said, doesn't have the greatest strength of schedule, but the guy has crazy power. I think he has like a 95%
Starting point is 00:27:32 K-O ratio. So I think the only way Rizinski can win is by stoppage. Billiam Smith is tough as nails, never been stopped. That's plus 420. This is a pretty good fight. This is Zufa over in the UK
Starting point is 00:27:43 for the first time. This is an action fight. This is a really good action fight. So Rizinski, he has that draw against Yemila Berto Peralta, who I just called his fight recently
Starting point is 00:27:59 against Robbins Safar. And he's a tricky guy. He moves, he can punch Argentinian, he's tall, he's long, deals with pressure really, really, really well. So a guy like Rizinski who never takes a backward step. He was pressuring that guy the entire time. They fought twice. The first fight, everyone thought that the Argentinian won.
Starting point is 00:28:23 They fought over in Canada. It was a split decision that Rizinski won, but it was declared. We got to run this thing right back. And then they did, and then they fought to a draw. So he was in tough both times with that guy. But, again, stylistically, I can understand why. Because Rzinski just comes forward.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Rizzyziki? I keep thinking of Rizinski. Rizinski is... I might be wrong with it, too. I think it's Rizicki. Because Rizinski is our guy from New York. But Rizzi, Ryan Rizzi, he's a come forward, two-handed banger, dude. His nickname is Bruiser, and it's a very good nickname.
Starting point is 00:28:58 He looks like a cyber. He does. He looks like a bond villain. He's just like tatted and mean. He's jacked. But he fights like that too. He's a dude, he's a rough guy. He's a bruiser. And Chris Bellum-Smith is basically just a stone. I mean, the punches he took in the Zerdo Ramirez fight was sick and just coming forward, body shots, everything. Never been stopped. Super durable. Tough as nails. I couldn't believe the punches he took in that Zerto fight. But that's just kind of the way he is. So we've got a really interesting matchup where I think neither one of these guys are movers. No one's going to, they're not going to be boxing around each other.
Starting point is 00:29:31 They're going to meet in the center of the ring and they're going to bang. And obviously, bunch more experience for Chris Billum-Smith. But like, how long does he really have to be able to fight that way? That's what I mean. He's been fighting tough against tough opposition for a long time and he's taking a lot of damage over the years. And can Riziki keep that up? It's a good fight. It's a really good fight.
Starting point is 00:29:52 You think it's worth a sprinkle of Zicki stoppage? or Riziki points is also massive There's a lot of value there If I was if I would go plus 420 I'm sorry Riziki points is plus 950 Wow What's what's a Riziki stoppage Plus 420
Starting point is 00:30:10 That's still a lot That's still big So they're kind of just like Vegas is kind of banking on Bill and Smith And his durability Durability and experience Yeah I mean
Starting point is 00:30:22 Yeah If you wanted to to sprinkle money on Riziki if you feel like the youth or the, the, not I mean youth, because I don't think of that, that different age, it's just freshness. If you wanted to bet the freshness, there's a lot of money there. There's a lot of value in the freshness either way, whether it's a decision or a stoppage. But more than likely, Chris Billiam Smith does what he does and, and uses his experience to get the win. Well, even there, this whole, all these options are, have a lot of value because minus 120 is not that bad for
Starting point is 00:30:56 Billiam Smith points. No. They should stop it just plus 240. So it's pretty much comes down to, it's just like, I choose your guy and how you think he's going to win. And there's good value on all four options. So this is basically just fans of either guy betting. I like this guy.
Starting point is 00:31:13 He's going to win. I think Billiam Smith will win by decision. And minus 120 is pretty good. Like I bet last week minus 105 for, oh, Shaq. You know, I don't always like the minus money. Obviously, I should have to put up more. But sometimes there's good value there when it's that low. When it's in the 100 range, I usually go for that.
Starting point is 00:31:33 And then if you want to get fancy and smart and do some parlayes, I mean, you can take that risk. Parlay that with a Knicks sweep. Oof, I don't like to mix sports. On a parlay, oof. Did you see that? Yeah, there's a guy out there who he parlayed Michigan to win the national title in basketball. USA to win the Olympic gold, and then Knicks versus Spurs to face each other in the finals. 1.7 million.
Starting point is 00:31:57 Whoa. Savage. Savage. That's four different sports. Someone has to go right for that. That guy's ice in his veins. Yeah, they kept interviewing him stuff. Like, they offered him up cash out.
Starting point is 00:32:08 Like when the Spurs were down three games to two to the Thunder last series, they offered him a cash out of $570,000. And he looked at them and was like, nope. No, because he's, I think he's like a professional gambler. Yeah. You think? You think? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is. He is.
Starting point is 00:32:23 I think he's called the Parlay Prince or something. Like, he's a professional gambler. So, like, him bowing out is not good for his brand. Like, him staying in it and getting interviewed every day and, like, is good. He won. Good for him. Savage. You can win, too, with Fandle.
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Starting point is 00:32:55 couple hours before fighter beatings out here in Texas. I'm doing that. All right. Sounds good. Sprick the money all over. All over the place. Make it rain in Texas. All right, let's get to our voicemails. Thank you to everyone that left them. I'm always humbled and honored and privileged
Starting point is 00:33:10 when we put out the bat signal that it's voicemail time and they all come rolling in. My computer, I have it set up to Google. It just rings all day long. and it's a good feeling. So let's start it off with the real question here, Chris. Best pizza and wings combo on Long Island.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Whoa. I mean, I don't really usually like places that combine both. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to get a pizza place, I'm going to go to a straight-up pizza place. I'm going wings, I want straight-up wings. Yeah, that's a great point. I got a spot. Um, you know Albert's pizza?
Starting point is 00:33:52 Copeg? No. They got great wings and they got great. They have the upside down pizza, but the really sweet sauce. Oh, I don't like sweet sauce. That's a big turnoff for me. Well, I'll just go F myself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:07 You don't know Albert's or the sweet sauce pizza. Oh, sweet sauce pizza. Pizza wing places? Pizza wing combos. Not sweet, but you know, like, well tang. No, I know. I know. I just, I'm, that, that for me, like, a pizza can be really good.
Starting point is 00:34:18 We have those down in Florida. We got the, like, certain place, oh, this is like New York pizza and then like the sauce is sweet. And I'm like, get out of here with this. Get out of here with this. What does Henry Hill say at the end? They gave me egg noodles and ketchup. That's you. You're a witness protection program.
Starting point is 00:34:32 That's me. I'm in the witness protection program down in Florida trying to make it happen. I've been down there, too, just like, just like Henry. We first got down there. Henry Hill. We're riding your friends. Let me see. I'm trying to, oh, I'm not, like, I haven't been on Long Island in a while.
Starting point is 00:34:48 Well, you were after we did. our last show, we drove around Long Island. We did. We did. The east end of Long Island, too. We were out in the sticks. I felt like I showed Chris. I showed our guy, the studio here. We walked around Bayshore and then yeah, pizza is weird. Like any pizza place is good on Long Island. Right. Like, and for the most part, like pizza places that have wings also, like, that's like a perfect football Sunday order. Like I say Alberts. That's, that's my choice. I know they have a few locations. They have one in Kopegg. And I think they have one in like Holbrook, I want to say.
Starting point is 00:35:19 It's a real long island. I don't know if we ever, because my house, like, when we did fight parties, we didn't get pizza. We weren't, we would, you know, we barbecued. We would do, like, big meals or we'd order, like, you know, Italian, like a big Italian, like, trays of food. We weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, we weren't, wasn't the go-to. I got a, speaking of, weirdly, I got a place in Florida that those really good wings and pizza, and it's a Greek, it's a Greek place. Oh, God.
Starting point is 00:35:48 Yeah, yeah, it's a Greek place. on a name. Yeah, it's, uh, what is it? Oh man. No free ads. No free ads. I mean, what's his name? Did a pizza review.
Starting point is 00:35:57 That's actually how I found it. Portnoy? Portnoy did a, uh, I think it's a Cres, not, not Cristos. It's a Greek spot, though. Crystal Steakhouse. No, that's a different, but it was like Crisdose with an X, but something like that. Let's move on. Speaking of, uh, watch parties.
Starting point is 00:36:13 Hey, what's all, fellas? My question relates to, uh, groups of people that you guys have watched fights with. I got lucky enough to watch a fight one time with my buddy, Nick, but Nick took me to Hooters in Farmingdale, and got to watch a fight with Chris's brother, Tommy Renone, and David Diamante, of all people. It was the craziest thing. It was for Tyson Fury versus Dillion White,
Starting point is 00:36:38 and that always stick out to me as, like, a really cool combination of people to watch a fight with. So my question to you guys is you probably watch fights with all kinds of cool people, but does anything stick out, any fight, or like a group of people stick out where you just have to pause and be like, wow, I can't believe
Starting point is 00:36:56 I'm watching a fight with these people right now. Yes, that's it. All right, take care, guys. Good one. That was a great one. And great segue, too, because you're literally just talking about fight parties. You just docks your brother going to Hooters.
Starting point is 00:37:08 Yeah, for real. Hooters of Farmerdale is a staple, though, on Long Island. We go for the wings. I don't know what else you guys go for. I've read somewhere that Hooters is, like, is taking away the weight, What? They're going to change their name? No, I, just stripping, not stripping, that's poor.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Stripping the full identity. It's funny because, like, the Hooters, like, bascott is an owl. So they get, they, there's a little work around there. So, um, that would be a real shame. That would be a, that would be a sad game. Hooters wings are good.
Starting point is 00:37:38 They are very good. I've been a few times. I might want to just go to Ogle with women because that's just like, simp behavior. But the Hooters wings are good. I'm not, I'm not a one guy. I'm not a white with David Diamante and L.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And who was the other? Tommy Raynone? The razor. Oh my God. Yeah. And I remember, I actually, I remember them, my brother telling me about the conversations that were having. David Diomont was like, oh, Dillion White's going to get it. And my brother was like, no, he's not.
Starting point is 00:38:00 No, he's not. But who do you think of? I have a lot of, I got a list. I got a lot of good ones. Go ahead. Number one, I watched Floyd Mayweather, Canelo Alvarez, in the guts of the Paramount, sitting shoulder to shoulder with Jerry Cooney. That's sick.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Was that the founder's room? Yeah, so I, so Joe DeGuardia Starboxing did a great job. He did a great job with the Paramount General, but he had me as the main event early so we could all watch the Canello Mayweather Pay-View on Paperview in the Paramount. It was awesome. So I fought the main event. I scored a rare stoppage of a really tough Honduran guy, Guatemala, whatever. And then we sat and watched the whole room stayed with their ticket to watch. That's so. And I sat next to Jerry Cooney. the founder's room on a couch that's way too small for that big of a man. And we watched Canelo Alvarez and Floyd Mayweather. And he was ripping Mayweather, ripping him. And I was like, you know, he's winning this fight, bud. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:39:01 Everyone hates Mayweather. Yeah. Hated me. Especially old school guys. Jerry's as old school as they get. I'm trying to think. I mean, listen, I call fights next to great people. So there's always that.
Starting point is 00:39:11 That's what I mean. Like, growing up, you know, my dad created copy box. So he was ringside. And then the coolest thing in the world was him bringing me along to these fights and getting to sit next to him. And then never knowing who's going to pop up ringside and be watching the fights. I remember I watched Koto Mosley, November 20, 2007. Great fight at the garden. Shannon Sharp sitting next to me, talking my ear off.
Starting point is 00:39:41 This is before he became. This is while he was still in the NFL. Just in my ear, just nonstop. like he is now doing his show with Ocho and being in there, me and him going back and forth screaming at each other about how we thought the fight was playing out. Another time, Ari Gold, Jeremy Piven. Nice. Probably the most starstruck I've ever been because I had, it was like right in the middle
Starting point is 00:40:03 of entourage and that was a seminal, like, show for me and my buddies. And just turning around and seeing Ari, I'm like, Ari Gold. That's like, first thing I said to him, and he starts laughing. He's sitting like that types of things. Like, I never really have. Was that my fight against Khan? Because he was ringside for that. I don't know what it was.
Starting point is 00:40:19 He was coming to a lot. He's a huge fight fan. He likes a lot of our content. Like I will go to Instagram and see like Jeremy Piven liked one of your reels. He was at a lot of fights. But you know what? Like I really are working a lot. And also like if I'm watching fights at home, I just kind of like to watch them alone, like doing content.
Starting point is 00:40:38 So working. So I never really went out to bars to run into people. And if I've ever seen a cool person, it's usually. just like people that come to fights. I got one more random one. Right after, the week after I stopped Tommy Coyle at the garden, I went to a match room show the following week. And I think it was Triple G.
Starting point is 00:41:02 And R. And Roles, right, Steve Roles. And I sat next to Louis C.K. Oh, God. Don't shake his hand. No, I mean, he's my favorite, he's my favorite comedian. No, because he likes to, you know. Yeah, but it was right after.
Starting point is 00:41:14 It was a master of his domain. after all of that. And he tweeted me once when I won the world title back in 2014. Huge boxing fan. Huge boxing fan. He boxes too. We talked about the, we talked the entire time. So funny, man. He spars. Like, he really trains. Like, he's, you know, he actually has a Mexican background. He's another redhead of Mexican. Um, but, uh, yeah, we talked about boxing the whole time. We talked about my fight. He's so funny because I go up and I was like, oh, man, I'm like, I was like, hey, I was like, I didn't want to bother because it was, again, it was right around that time where he was like getting canceled. And he kind of looked like, oh, no, here we go. And, and, but he
Starting point is 00:41:45 He was also like, he introduced me to his lady friend. This is Chris Algeri. He's a very, very good boxer. And I was like, oh, I'd pleasure to meet you. And then we sat next to each other and talked the whole time about the fight. That's awesome. Recently, getting to watch the fights at Rampage was a big thing. On a live stream.
Starting point is 00:42:04 That show was crazy, man. I think me and him are best friends. I texted him. He didn't answer. But, you know, he'll get back. He's probably busy. Yo, this is Jayquan, Jay Kelly, calling from New York. York.
Starting point is 00:42:17 Shout out to the show. Y'all are doing an amazing job. Shout out to Chris, also for the Fight for 84 Netflix film. That's amazing. I'm an actor myself. I actually auditioned for a few of the lead roles, but I didn't get those.
Starting point is 00:42:30 We're not going to talk about that, though. What we are going to talk about is if I were to create a film on any active boxer currently right now, who do you think, whose story do you think
Starting point is 00:42:45 would be worth telling and two, which boxer do you think would gravitate to a film on their life? Which one would be most excited about it? I think he went on a little bit there, but I'm going to throw a curveball here. Got a baseball in my hand. You probably never heard of this fighter. Julian Quiet Storm Smith. He is blind.
Starting point is 00:43:10 No, sorry. He's deaf. Yes, I do. I do know him, yes. He's not blind and deaf. He's not Helen Keller. He is just deaf, and he won a bunch of fights on the MVP circuit. He beat a top 10 guy a few years ago.
Starting point is 00:43:23 One of the most inspirational things I've ever seen, I was legit in tears when he won that fight over the top 10 guy. That would be my choice. You said active. I know, the active thing, that threw me for a curve. There's a lot of active fighters that have great stories. Yes. Every fighter has amazing stories.
Starting point is 00:43:40 That's why there's so many boxing movies. I think I'm going to go with a pretty obvious one. Alexander Usick. The Usik story. Ousik story. Because also he's, he's, he's such an interesting character.
Starting point is 00:43:50 You know, like he's, he looks the part, he does movies, by the way, he's in movies, he's in fight movies. Um,
Starting point is 00:43:55 but also, I think with the Ukrainian war conflict going on, all of that, you know, he's current guy, his, his,
Starting point is 00:44:02 his, he's a bit of an underdog too. Like, he's always kind of, he struggled, like, win the gold, win the cruiser,
Starting point is 00:44:07 win the heavy, um, epic, epic, uh, yeah, I think he'd be, he's,
Starting point is 00:44:13 and again, He's just such an interesting guy. I think he would fit in perfectly. I think who else? I mean, a lot of these guys have come. Like, Richard Hitchens has literally come from nothing. There's a common theme with boxers for the most part is like coming from absolute poverty,
Starting point is 00:44:28 crime, getting out of trouble and making it to, making it in life. Like, Richard Hitchens made it. Yeah. He came out of the hood. I'm just thinking of one guy pops to my head because I saw him tweet about how he didn't have any money like 10 years ago. his mom, he was about to get evicted or his mom got evicted and Shakur Stevenson helped get him into a power aid commercial. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:44:50 And the power aid commercial helped pay his mom's apartment and then some. Oh, that's awesome. I thought it was such a cool story and people were somehow finding a way to criticize it. I hate Twitter. I hate it. Because they're like, look at Shakur. Like, oh, Shakur has all these friends like in boxing. Like, oh, God forbid you had friends.
Starting point is 00:45:08 Like, you guys had not have friends in real life? Like, okay, that's my rant. that's it okay one more i would say a j too i'd think would be a good one he's you know he's i mean obviously especially this stage of his career yeah you got the ups and the downs you got the highest highs you've got some bad lows you got obviously uh tragedy with his friends and family i think there's a there's a lot of meat on that bone fury yeah the the have enough have have had a lot fury's got the tv shows that's that's not that's not doing a movie we're probably missing i think we're definitely missing because it it's it's it's
Starting point is 00:45:43 Let someone in the comments. Hit us with that. It's a good question. Let's get to the next one. Optimus Dan and the Champsia. It's your boy Rose from the So Ill. NFL draft was a couple months ago, so it got me wondering. Is there a prospect that you thought was dissing for the big time
Starting point is 00:45:59 that never made it for whatever reason or somebody who you didn't think had the chops that did make it? For me, it was Devin Alexander. I thought he was going to be the next wrong-handed hitman Hurns or Timothy Bradley. I thought feet were too slow and hands were too slow. What do you think? Good question. I got one. I thought Chris Algeria was never going to make it out of the Paramount basement. That was, I was, I was, I was dug in deep down.
Starting point is 00:46:27 I actually had a long conversation with Ron Katz about this and how I was getting, I was getting buried at the, at the Paramount because I was popular, and that no one wanted to give me a chance, including my promoter, didn't want me to leave the Paramount, just wanted me to run shows for there forever because they always made money. And I forced his hand to get me onto the world stage. I told him, I was like, I'm world class. I can't be on Long Island. I need to get out of here. It's like leaving your hometown.
Starting point is 00:46:52 I need people to see me. I always told them that. I was like, I need to be on TV. I need people to see me. I'm good. I'm really good. I'm world class. Spread your wings.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Yeah. I didn't want to be a local hero. That's one. That's a little too non-reos. I got one. Just comes to mind right away, Jared Anderson. I still think he has time to erase it. I still think he has time to change the,
Starting point is 00:47:10 the course of his career. But, like, he was the guy. Like, people comparing him to Riddick Bow, he's from Brooklyn, like, this is the next guy. He's going to be a heavyweight champ, American heavyweight champ, take the mantle from Wilder and, you know, a lot of stuff out of the rain, the lost up of Koli.
Starting point is 00:47:26 And then, you know, I don't think he really enjoys boxing. That comes to mind right away in terms of a guy that didn't, hasn't reached his potential yet. Yeah. David Reed, for me. I thought David Reed was going to be, like, the next, thing, the next it, which a lot of people did. And that did not work out, obviously. I mean,
Starting point is 00:47:46 you became a world champion. Like, don't get me wrong. Still phenomenal in terms of what he did in a very short period of time. But he was a guy that there was huge expectations that just did not pan out. I like the Bradley one. I like that. Yeah, that was good. We always gravitate towards the guys that haven't fulfilled. The guys that overachieved. Yeah. Tim is the consummate overachiever. Like, watching him get dropped by Kendall Holt, like, brutally. And being like, Like, no way, is this guy and then goes on to have an illustrious career
Starting point is 00:48:13 fights Pacquil three times. You know, Marquez. I mean, Marquez, I told him when I ever talked to him, I'm like, yeah, that Marquez fight, dude, that's the best, that's the best fight.
Starting point is 00:48:24 That's the best fight. He, he, that was his best performance. And that was coming off of the Pacquiao trilogy, right? Was that in between him? No, no, that was, uh, I think that was in between,
Starting point is 00:48:36 it was right, it was after the Ruslan fight. Damn. The Ruslan fight took, Oh, yeah. That took years of my life watching it. Who fought that guy, too? Let's get into it.
Starting point is 00:48:48 Hi, this is David from Jersey City again. What do you think tanks come back route should be? I was thinking him fighting Kid Austin for his WBA mandatory, then unifying the Lamont Roach if he gets past Cepeda by the end of the year. Do you think that would be enough to put Tank back into talks at lightweight? and then at that point if he went to be a unified champion
Starting point is 00:49:14 yeah if roach beats zepeda I think I'd always do his beat showfield and I think he's back in the mix yeah I think tank can do whatever he wants really yeah he's that he's that level of star he can go to ring
Starting point is 00:49:31 he can finally take the ring money which it would not surprise me at all like I did not think canella would do it and look he is hand in hand with turkey I think tank he's retired but he's one of the only guys that did not participate with Turkey because he's so loyal to PBC and Al
Starting point is 00:49:47 but Tank I mean just so many he's such an interesting subject because yeah Schofield right there fight get your WBA title back rematch Roach which would be a big fight because it has all the drama
Starting point is 00:50:02 Or is the Pater fight would be good too either of those become a WBC champion Tank has never cared about belts but there was a path right here two fights, then fights Chakor, and then then go off into the sunset. I think that's all boxing fans are asking
Starting point is 00:50:17 from Teng, because I'll agree. Like, it's not as fun boxing without tank in it. This guy is fun to watch. He has all of his problems outside of the ring. I'm not agreeing or co-signing, anything that he's done outside of the ring. But when this guy fights, it's must watch TV, and I'm not done watching him.
Starting point is 00:50:36 Like, I still want to see him fight Chachor. They would want to potentially see him watch and fight all these guys. So I think he can, literally do whatever he wants because he's one of the five guys out there like that are their own economy like you you like to say yeah he he he moves the needle i mean we've been to tank fights they're they're all spectacles they're great um you know that the the culture around it is great it's it's a it's a really nice ecosystem when guys like that fight the canelo's the tank davis's uh once upon a time uh errol spence was like that you know mani pack yow like you get these
Starting point is 00:51:07 certain guys that are cultural movements that everybody comes out for and we're We severely lack that in our sport today. Bro, this guy was selling out staples. He saw that Barclays. He saw that Atlanta. He was going to be on his way to selling out Miami with Jake. And then, you know, I saw him on stream with... Bronner and Dean.
Starting point is 00:51:29 He looked really, like, super skinny. Yeah, so that's something... He used to get, like, a little, like, chubby in between fights. And in recent years, like, he's so locked in. He's always, like, thin and shape. Yeah, I don't know. I'm rooting for him to come back. I know it comes with a lot of issues.
Starting point is 00:51:47 Like, once again, don't agree with a lot of stuff. He's not outside the ring. But this is a flawed sport. You guys are all flawed humans, Chris. I'm not lumping you with Toronto Davis. No question about it. We all have our demons. Yo, yo, what up, guys?
Starting point is 00:52:01 Do, quick question. It's about Lumachenko coming back to the picture. Assuming he wins that fight to get him basically a shot at his top. Do you think he is, I mean, obviously I don't see him in Canvosis fight, but do you think his favorite to win against Navarrete or No Shaki Foster if he were to face them, you know, and do you think he'd be able to actually pull off and undisputed with the 130 division, not looking too stacked right now? It's a good question.
Starting point is 00:52:33 Good question. I think that's what Loma's going for. Yeah, who's he fighting? Did they say yet? No, he's last I heard, he's got to fight the Suarez guy To get the mandatory shot at Even though I'm like, we really have to go through all that Can we just make Lomachenko Navarresi?
Starting point is 00:52:52 It's tough when you got a guy who's coming off That long of a layoff and is older I mean, we've seen it No time on time is not on his side No, no I don't think he'd be favored in Navaratee Or Foster honestly Yeah, because of the time off, right? The time off, age, activity
Starting point is 00:53:09 he's gonna have Swarres is not an easy fight Swar's, Soros is tough, but he's, I think Suarez is a perfect reentry because Suarez is older too. I think Suarez is like 34,
Starting point is 00:53:17 35. So I think that's... It wasn't trying to discredit Swarres. No, no, Swar's is good, he's tough, but it's like, it's gonna,
Starting point is 00:53:22 that's even going to be a tough fight because Swarz is literally fighting for his entire life and career, every fight, which we saw in the Navarite fight. Um, so yeah,
Starting point is 00:53:33 I think he beats Suarez. I think he'll get, but it's not going to be easy, and I don't see him being favored to win either of the fights Navarate or Foster. I think he has a better shot with Navaratee. But it's just going to depend on how much his older body is willing to take.
Starting point is 00:53:50 Yeah, that's a long road. Undisput is the only thing Nomachengo did not accomplish in his career. I don't know if he's coming back for that. I think he's coming back because there's so much money around. Well, if that's the case, then I thought he would go for Shakur. It did not seem going this route. Yeah, but like one big Shakur fight or, you know, three fights that you can potentially
Starting point is 00:54:10 I don't think you beat you core would you want one less work for more money it's the dream no I'd want to come back and like get cooking and then get a big fight hey Dan hey Chris this is John from MKE I got two words for you
Starting point is 00:54:28 in a way bam the biggest small fight of all time what are your thoughts on the selection match of fucking love it it's it's sick but best best little man's fight of all time. I think it's a good way to put it.
Starting point is 00:54:44 I think it probably is. Do it in Japan. Well, there's talk. I saw a rumor of Netflix being interested in it. Yeah, of course. That's huge. Huge. Global. That's global, dude. If Netflix is interested, I, I, Netflix, oh, they did an overseas fight
Starting point is 00:55:00 Fury. I don't know if, like, Netflix is interested or Netflix airing, it means that it will be an American fight. I don't really care where it happens. No, I don't think they do either. I don't think BAM does. There's a big push for this fight. Like, I, there was another call here. I don't know if we'll get to it, but it's like, is Bam rushing into this fight because Turkey wants it? Is Turkey being in boxing with the big money?
Starting point is 00:55:23 Is it rushing careers? Or the flip side of it is you don't get the fights when we get the fights too late. So like, pick your poison here as a fan. Yeah, I think Bam is ready for an in a way fight because there might not be a payday like this down the road. It would be an opportunity like this down the road. Say what you will about rushing your career. When you have opportunities to fight legends, yeah, you rush your career. I had an opportunity to fight Pacquiao.
Starting point is 00:55:47 It wasn't the best time for me to fight Pacquiao, but that had to take my opportunity. And Inouye's not going to be here for long. And I mean, in the sport generally, but also the weight classes for this fight, they could be like two ships passing in the night. If Inouye goes to 26 and Bam's just trying to chase him, it's done. It's done. It's done. There's fights never happening. So this is the only time this fight could actually happen.
Starting point is 00:56:09 So was he rushing to a degree? but guess what? We all rush for opportunities when they present themselves if you dare to be great. One knock on the little guys is there's not many big fights. There's not big, like Inouye is
Starting point is 00:56:23 one of those five that I just talked about. It's like, you know, the guys that create their own economy, in a way is that. So Bam's probably looking at it like this. Okay, if I lose to Inouye and he very much well could, I think he'd be, Inouye would be the favorite. Yeah. Bam loses that fight,
Starting point is 00:56:37 but he makes $10 million. and what else is out there for him if he doesn't fight in a way. It's these fights, you know, no offense to Antonio Vargas, but that's who he's fighting next, BAM. He's beating these older guys, but he's making good money because he has a good deal with Matchroom, but where's the super fight for BAM? In a way.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Yeah, it's in a way. So do it now. And even though there's a Nakatani fight looming as well, which is a huge, huge fight. Oh, I like that one too. It's not an anyway. Still get that, though. Yeah, I think we do get that.
Starting point is 00:57:08 We will get that. They might fight a couple times, but the opportunity to fight in a way is now. And if it doesn't happen in the next six to eight months, and we never see it. Hi. So from what I've researched in your episodes, it seems as though you and Chris Algeria are against the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act. I was just curious, what are the biggest problems that you have with this amendment that's being pushed through Senate right now? Thank you, guys. Great show.
Starting point is 00:57:38 Thank you. With this important question. It's... I played all the fun ones in the beginning. This is a series. Yeah. This is how we're ending in the show. The issue is concentration of power and the modeling of what the essence of what the original amount of the act was to be.
Starting point is 00:57:55 It was to protect fighters from double dipping, managers, promoters acting the same way. This is, this kind of abolishes that. And it allows the opportunity of creating your own ranking system, creating your own belts. What do they call the UBO? Yeah. Yeah. Creating UBOs. So it goes back to our old saying power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:58:16 So if all the power is contrary to one in one place, the risk of taking advantage of fighters is far too great. And also there's just no way for the fighters to combat situations where they are getting exploited. And that's the biggest issue. That's what the original, again, the essence of the Mamadale Act was to not have fighters. be exploited. And it's just, it muddies the water. Again, I don't know how this is all going to pan out. We can't tell the future.
Starting point is 00:58:45 And I'm not saying absolutely it's going to be the worst thing ever or that it's even necessarily a bad thing or it's going to ruin the sport per se. But the opportunity for fighters to get the short end of the stick just seems way, way to within reach with the way things are going. Yeah, I agree with you there. I think it's just like the whole thing I don't like is making it feel like a corporate vibe.
Starting point is 00:59:06 And that's more of a Zoufa thing, but I'm kind of lumping Zufa in with the Muhammad Ali Revival Act because it's pretty much the same thing. It's benefiting Zufa. I don't know if you saw this, Donald Trump invested in either TKO or TKO's the company above TKO, which is not good. I mean, that's why this is moving so fast, getting through all the red tape and all that. It's just, when it comes down to, I'm lumping both of them in.
Starting point is 00:59:33 Like, we're talking about the Ali Act. There's things in it that I don't like. There's things in it that I do like. I don't like it. And I'm lumping in it with Zufa, and I've talked about this numerous times. I don't like the corporate vibe of it. I don't like me turning into a corporation.
Starting point is 00:59:45 I'm like stripping the individuality of it. I don't like the uniforms. I don't like potentially having one organization ruling down that we've seen in UFC with Dana White. That's not the best thing because they have these freezes out fighters, these ridiculous contracts that go on for years and years, you know, like John Jones is in purgatory now. I get it.
Starting point is 01:00:05 Don't sign the contract. But also like it's just, They're not fighter-friendly. They're not. They can say they are, but I ultimately don't think they are. I'm going to be fighter-friendly for guys that, the lower portion of boxing,
Starting point is 01:00:16 but it's never going to reach, like, that super fight feel. We're going to see it play out. But at a glance, those are the things that I don't like about it. And it's more of a Zufa thing, but like I said, like Zufa will reach their powers
Starting point is 01:00:30 once this act gets passed, and it will. For the record, I didn't like the original Muhammad Ali act. I thought there. It just didn't have any teeth. It didn't really give any power. But it just brought to light that there are issues here. So a fighter could potentially be like, hey, look, this is this is against. You know, I have some something to stand on. Even again, it didn't have any teeth. I used it. It helped me in court. But, you know, and not some fighters did, not a lot did. But the guys who do have any kind of victory fighting against the man, that was how we did it. And that's what we said. I think the Muhammad Ali Act, the original one, need. needed to be expanded to help fighters and to protect fighters from being taken advantage of. Yep.
Starting point is 01:01:16 All right, that's all on the show. I hope everyone has a good weekend. We'll be watching Zufa. With that being said, I'll be watching Zufa. And ProBox. Prox tomorrow. We got ProBox Friday night. From Tejas.
Starting point is 01:01:29 From Texas. I hope you see some Spurs fans and you laugh in their face. Don't laugh too hard. They're in hiding right now, dude. You ask me this morning. I walked around Arlington this morning to drink my coffee, and I was like, Dan asked me. He's like, oh, you see any crying San Antonio fans?
Starting point is 01:01:43 I'm not in San Antonio, but I think they're all hiding, licking their wounds. Well, the Mavericks fans, where you were at. Dallas Mavericks play near you, where you're at. Yeah, don't laugh too hard because the series is not over. Yeah. But, you know, 70% of teams that win game one go on to win the NBA finals. Is that, is that the percentage? 70%?
Starting point is 01:02:03 Yes. Yes. Well, that game, I can imagine. If you analyze the game and the ebbs and flows of it, this could be a really tricky heavyweight matchup, would you say it was? This is a, what did I say? No. I'm just saying, like, they always say that when there's a back and forth game, I guess there was a back and forth game. They were taking their best punches.
Starting point is 01:02:24 The broadcaster will always say, this is like a heavyweight boxing. Every sport compares itself to boxing. Fight sports rule. Someone tweeted out, this is like Hagler-Herns, the first quarter. Yes. I love the... With the Nix being the haggler of it. Right, a lot of crossover, a lot of crossover boxing terminology here
Starting point is 01:02:41 with crossover sport terminology being utilized here. I like it. All right, everyone. Have a good weekend. We'll be back on Sunday, recapping it all. Protect yourselves at all times.
Starting point is 01:02:51 Keep your hands up at all times. Stay out of those DMs.

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