The Ariel Helwani Show - Inside Boxing | Frank Warren to sue TKO & Sela for $1 billion, Conor Benn vs. Regis Prograis announced

Episode Date: February 27, 2026

Inside Boxing is back! First up, Dan Canobbio and Chris Algeri tackle the potential $1 billion lawsuit from Frank Warren and Queensberry Promotions against TKO Group and Sela and the ramifications it could have on the sport (04:25). Next, Zuffa Boxing announces that Conor Benn will fight former champion Regis Prograis as the co-main event to Tyson Fury vs. Arslanbek Makhmudov (18:21). Lastly, the attention turns to the super featherweight title fight between Emanuel Navarrete and Eduardo Nunez, including picks, betting odds and analysis (46:10).

All right, everyone, welcome back. It's another episode of Inside a Boxing. I am Dan Kenobi. He's the champ, Chris Algeri. We are presented by ppv.com. Got some big fight news next week when it comes to ppv.com. Coming into your living rooms, your phones, your tablets, that's the beauty of ppv.com.

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I like praise. I like praise a lot. Yeah, it was a good one episode in the books under our belt with on Crown, so that's been great. New era has begun inside boxing. I got it right. Chris is coming to us from...

I'm so proud of you. I'm so proud you didn't say live. Now, we are alive, but we are not live. We are a live, alive. Live to tape, you are alive. We are breathing. A live. Chris is coming to us from Arlington, Texas.

Arlington, Texas. Ran into Derek James, not too long ago. He was chatting with him a little bit. bit. Might go check out his gym at some point. But yeah, no, Arnigan, Texas. I love Texas. Texas is great. We have a Pro Box TV fight card tomorrow night. Bangers, as always, 50-50 all-oction fights. You know the deal. I'm heading up to Verona, Turning Stone. Oh, this time of year, it's really nice. Really nice. Oh, God. I'm just happy to get out of my

Long Island. I'm calling this Mani Pacquot-Pakio promotions card. It's got Carmel Moton on it, Coral Moton. I just kept saying his name wrong. Corral Moten. It's got a pack of He's son, I think, is off the card. Off the card? Yeah, I think you got hurt. Elijah Pierce, who you called on overtime boxing? Lager Pierce is tough, man. Yeah, he's top five in the WBO.

He is a heart attack kid, man. He just cardiac kid, I should say, because he fights. He'll get dropped, he'll get up. He'll knock you out. He's a lot of fun. I was watching one of his fights. I think it's his last fight. It's Dosporinas.

You were on the call. Were you on the call for the? Not his last fight, but I've been on several. You're on the call for Paris fight, his opponent. Yeah, that makes sense. Lorenzo Parra. But yeah, it should be a fun night. Many Pacquiao promotions.

Put the suit on. Problem with the pants, bro. Suit pants aren't fit in me anymore. I don't know. I've put on some pounds, bro. Dude, I mean, you were in the eights, man. The one-eighths. The one-eighths.

Still in the one-eighths. It's not a great time to lose weight in New York winter. But springs ahead. It's coming, dude. I also put the jacket on, too. This is a nice suit that I bought in July. for the Pacquiao Barrios fight. The suit doesn't fit anymore,

even in the shoulder area because those are gains. Those are gains, though. Look at that. Right. That's a positive. Positive. The pants not fitting around the waist.

Very, very disheartening and kind of frustrating because they're to buy new suits now. Because these are expensive suits. Yeah, when I was a late stage teenager, I was training people, training, training, you know, normies. And I had a guy, and he was a,

well-to-do businessman type guy. getting him in shape. And then one day he goes, hey, what's your suit jacket? I'm like, I'm like a 38. Comes in,

he brings me five total suits and goes, it's your fault I don't fit in these anymore because my shoulders got so much bigger so you can have them. I'm talking.

Boss, Armani, this guy came in and just rolled out five full suits. So I rocked that for the first, number of years

before I made any money. I need to, I need to make some changes. The changes will be made. I need to make some changes. Look at some time. I want to be like where I'm at, I want to lose five to seven.

I want to be spelt for the summer, so we got plenty of time. You're young enough. You can, you can pull it back. Oh, hell yeah. You can write the ship. You can only put a bowl. You get those good Kenobio jeans, you know. You can do it.

That's what I'm talking about, baby. That's what I'm talking about. All right, let's get into the news, man. Geez, boxing world is flipped upside down yet again. Another day, another lawsuit. Frank Warren's Queensberry promotions are suing Sulla, TKO, Zufa. which in turn is Dana White, Turkey Al-Sheek, and that whole regime. According to report from the Telegraph,

Queensberry Promotions boss Frank Warren is preparing a lawsuit around the partnership between Saudi Arabia Sela and the TKO group with Zufa boxing and their exclusion of Queensberry from the making of Zufa. As you know, Saudi Arabia and Queensberry have done many shows together, none since November of last year. And this proposed $1 billion lawsuit, it says that Sella and TKO both breach contracts. They had Simon Warren and their company was formed without them being involved.

So ZUFA was formed without Queensberry being involved. They're probably thinking, why would Queensberry be involved in Zufa? That's because in 2003, they signed an agreement with Sela to provide boxing services for their shows, giving Sela access to how they operate and build the shows from the ground up. They gave them everything.

Queensberry contends that the information and data that was privileged. And the group subsequently left Queensberry out breaching their respective agreements. Got that all, Chris? You got that? I do. We're not. Are we lawyers now? No.

We're not. We're not. And we're not going to be held liable for anything we say here. This is our take on it. That's the preface that. Very clear. Very clear. Thank you for saying.

Very clear. We are not lawyers. I almost went to Memphis. medical school. That is nowhere near passing the bar. So we're not... I stayed at a holiday inn last night. I'm at a comfort comfort suites right now, so we're both on the same page

here. But in terms of, you know, talking about what's going on at this lawsuit, for me, for looking for the outside and taking this as purely non-legal thing, this looks to me like the farmer who lets the wolf and sheep's clothing into the roost.

And then when the wolf does a wolf's do, you're like, hey, what are you doing? Why eating all my hens? Well, because I'm a wolf, dude, and you let me in. And it was fun for a little bit, but this is what I do. Or, and my esteemed colleague, Pauli, Malinaji used the metaphor that is a Trojan horse, probably a better one, because it's a gift.

You know, they were gifting, they were giving so much money to Frank Warren, to match for him, to Golden Boy for, you know, Turkey and the Riyadh shows, and they're getting their pay, fighters all paid, but you're giving them access to the books. You're getting them access to the contracts. You're giving access to the interworkings of the business so then they can just take that and go on and do what they're going to do. And apparently from what it seems like

that you were supposed to take on those other entities with you, but it seems like they started the whole other thing. The Dana White thing was really when everyone went, wait a second, that was the big first shift. When Dana White came in and they're like, whoa, you're not using any of the boxing promoters that you've been working with, that's when all those guys really got their red alerts on.

like, whoa, maybe this guy is the Trojan horse. Maybe this is the wolf in the henhouse kind of thing. And now you got a guy like Frank Warren who does not like to take things laying down, looking at this like, all right, well, I'm going to hit him where it hurts. And I'm going to attack with lawsuits. I'd be interested to see if the other promotions do that as well, the other guys that have been in bed with Turkey leading up to this, the matchrooms, the golden boys.

Or, this is another thought that I've had, which again, guys are a solar opinion, is Frank Warren looking at this like, it's a billion dollars. It's a big lawsuit. Does he really have grounds? You know, is this real or is this a settlement to get out? Maybe they're already in. Maybe, you know, the siege is already upon us.

The tide is already broken through the wall. I'm not going to beat them. Let me get some money and get the hell out of here and go off into the sunset and let these guys take over because they're already in. That's, you know, have they breached the wall? I loved everything you said there. It was very, very astute dealings. It's the first shot back from the boxing establishment.

The old guard. We're not going to take this sitting down. We're going to fight back. It's also a little embarrassing. Or it's just shocking to me. Not the part where they worked side by side because anyone would have done the same thing. Like all these guys bent over and Eddie holding hands, Frank holding hands. Eddie saying, I did this because.

because it made my fighters wealthy. Money. Yep. Also made me wealthy. I have no problem shining turkey shoes. He literally said that as a quote. But Eddie. For me.

He heard. He said it. Not me. He said it. But the part that I'm just like, wow, is this how it works? Because we've never seen lawsuits like this. Every day we're seeing news and boxing that we've never seen before, never cared to know about.

The data part. How much did Queensberry, what did Sella pay Queensberry in order to get their data to see how they're operating and also Zufa? So Queensberry is giving Zufa the keys to end Sela, the keys to everything. Like, hey, take a look at everything, which obviously comes at a price. And when you're the seller, you have an unlimited budget. And then in turn, they get screwed. In turn, they go with that information because Queensberry is a very,

profitable enterprise, as you can see by the community notes that we'll get to in a second. They did turn a profit last year. Frank Warren is a stone cold gangster. Did you get shot in the head? Does not take stuff lying down? They are well-run promotion. So they've made money. They know what they're doing. So when you allow a seller, you allow Zufa to come in and get full reign of everything to see why, how does a boxing promotion work? Like if you're Frank, you had to understand like, okay, this could potentially come back to bite me in the ass. But maybe the writing is on the wall and maybe I can see like one day this is going to be used against us. Didn't think it would happen this fast. I'm saying that from my standpoint. I know what Frank is thinking, but it's happening

so fast, Chris. This is a crazy lawsuit and Zufa is moving so quick with the signings and the TV deals and now they're getting sued. So there will be a settlement like you said or there'll be some type of more litigation, more details being thrown out there for us at home and the public to sift through crazy times. But that part with the data is just, that's, that's new to me, because this is all new to me. Just like in politics and the world stage in boxing, nothing is ever as it seems. And there's a million different ways that things can go. And I'm curious to think, I have a couple different theories about how this whole came about. One, which is probably the way it's going. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

It's Akram's razor in terms of, yeah, whatever makes the most sense is probably what it is. So you're seeing more and more the boxing promoters, they've gotten lazy. They've gotten too complacent. You see Golden Boy's lapse in his contract with DeZone, which allows Virgil Ortiz aside to invoke a breach of contract. That's a bookkeeping thing. That shouldn't happen for a big company. You're seeing Queensberry, who is, maybe they have a contract where this is legitimate and they have a real stake in this, but you're allowing a potential oppositional force to see how you operate. And you're showing them, it's like, it's like inviting someone, it's inviting someone to your home, showing them how all the security works.

And then when they attack you, you go, oh, what the hell? it's just it just it just seems amateurish which is so strange to think about because these guys have been around for so long and when I think of boxing promoters I think of really smart guys with really ironclad contracts and maybe I'm just saying that because I'm a fighter and I'm stupid and I'm not a lawyer but like it just seems like these guys are not crossing the T's and dot in the eyes and someone with a better lawyer walked in and goes oh these guys are way way under us they're out of their league and And they're eating them up. And, yeah, it's a strange time. What did Dana say about boxing all the time in the last five, six, seven years? It's a going out of business sale. And every boxing event is, how can the promoters take the most amount of money from the product and not reinvested? Smash and grab.

So this was another smash and grab. If everything is what they're saying, is, hey, we're going to, like, hey, Sello, we will pay a hefty fee to come in and see how your complete operational. works and Greensbury is like, here's the number. And then they're, oh, wow. Yeah, come on in. Here's our passwords. You know, to eat our food.

And that's a smash and grab. That's another smash and grab. And then they turn around. And Zufa takes that information and Sela takes it information. And now they're starting their own enterprise. Yeah, exactly. It's mind-boggling that any corporation, like this is a hostile takeover of a corporation.

It's exactly what it is. And for these guys not to understand that this is a legitimate, that's where I'm saying. Like, these guys got complacent. They thought they were too big. They're too high on the hog. Oh, these guys can't come in here and do that. Oh, they're talking about this. They can't do that.

We run this. We run this ship. There's no way they're taking over. Guess what? It's like Coca-Cola giving the recipe out. You know, it's like, it's a secret for a reason, guys. And you gave out the secret. And now you've got to contend with that.

And some people go to court for that. you know, Frank Warren's one of them. I'm curious to see if the other wasn't going to follow suit. Well, if you look at the terminology, Chris, they're threatening to sue.

They haven't done it yet. Ah, so, okay, see, I'm glad you did the reading because I can't. Just said threatening to sue. Like, I will take this to the high,

he's prepared to take it to the high court. All right, so that to me says he wants to pay out. I mean, if everything, if the graph, everything is true. Many times.

That's how it always goes. Cease and assist, we're threatening this, how much money do I want? How much money can you give? That looks like... And they probably... I don't know.

I'm about to speculate on where it could go. Another thing, what did Turkey say around this time last year when the formation of TKO Zufa was made? We're going to crush everyone. We're going to crush everyone. We're going to eat everyone. Everyone just just went over at people's heads.

I mean, we talked about it. That fell on deaf ears. It just felt like it was all right. Turkey talking about it like, who wants to make the best fights and we're going to crush everyone. It was talking about the Warrens, the Hearns, the Oscars, the Ben Shalom's, the MVPs, everyone, the establishment of, we're going to crush you guys. And it took a year to the point now where we have giants like Queensberry, you know, suing Sella.

And Ring issued a statement. I don't know why Ring is getting in the middle of this. It's been community noted. Chris, you know what a community note is? I don't. So Twitter That's about my pay grade, bud Yeah, no, it's pretty simple

When Elon Musk got his hands on Twitter He allowed for community notes to come in And basically it's a fact check So if you tweet out something egregious You tweet out something false You tweet out something insane If enough people report it It will get fact checked by either AI

or fact checked by someone at Twitter This ring statement Got community noted because it was a really long statement. It was just strange. It felt like it came right from the fingers and the hands of Turkey. I don't know why Ring Magazine is getting involved in something like this. I do know why is because Turkey owns Ring Magazine and they're using it as a propaganda arm

in order to tell their side of the story, the comments. Control the narrative. Control the narrative, the comment of the boxing fans, which I've said, I've always said. You cannot fool boxing fans, Chris. You can't fool us. You can't. The comments did not disappoint. and it gets community checked because they claim that Dubois, Wardley, is suffering at the gate.

So they had to come out with this to create some type of, you know, buzz. Also, Queensberry Promotions is in terrible, terrible standing. So community notes said, Queensberry Promotions posted a $15 million profit for the tax year up to end of March 2025. Tickets for Wardley versus Dubois aren't on sale yet. So lines are being drawn in the sand here. So you got turkey side. That's the question. They really feel we were on the same side.

No, no, no, no. Right, right. You were never on the same side. You were never on the same side. I kind of didn't realize that they hadn't done a show together since 2023. That was that's something. That was the head to head, wasn't it? That was the Frank Warren.

That was the Queensberry versus Matchroom card. Was it? He might have been. I know their first. show was Tyson Fury and Nunganu. And then they did five on fives. They did straight up Queensberry promotion events.

And from everyone I saw, there was a great partnership. I mean, there were great events and they're holding hands. Really good fights. But deep down inside, Frank must have known, like, yeah,

to give them the password. They're looking at everything. That's one of those. That's one of those you wake up in the middle of that, like, I probably shouldn't have given her my password. Eh, it'll be okay. And then you wake up the next morning. I shouldn't give her my phone.

Then, then, you wake up the next day and there's just all the all the tweets of all your conversations with you know the girl and the girls and then you're in trouble yeah a lot of a lot of that um there has been intensified wait queensbury has have not been promoting any re-out season fights since the last november and there are no plans for the two sides to work together in the future obviously obviously what i want to see next though is queensbury going to continue uh putting on fights on DeZone because as we know,

10% of it is owned by Stella Turkey Group in them. Is 10% enough to move the needle that much? Probably not. Probably not because you've got to figure the zone, the powers that be it to zone are like, hey, we need content. The zone ultimate plan that we're pushing on our five-fiance, $400,500? Yeah, they're rocking and rolling. They just signed a five-year deal with Matchroom.

They want to keep the UK market. Warren is one of the major. motors in the UK. So yeah, I don't, I don't think that's going to affect them. But I mean, who knows? I would be a real shame because, you know, Frank does have some good fighters and puts on the show. Yeah, that would suck for boxing fans who don't want to get caught up in this. I mean, it's good fodder for the, the hardcores. And this did make major headlines leading off of our show. And it's all over the place in the UK. And I wonder if what herne is, uh, Hearn's reaction to it's going to be as he gets interviewed, probably as we speak, he's going to interview somewhere. Herne's going to, is hern going to, is hern going to link back up with, with Warren?

Are they going to be holding hands? Oh, man. Are they going to be a coalition of, of, of Eddie, Frank, Oscar, the key. This is, this is the movie Independence Day. I'm going throwback in, what was that, 1998, something like that. Damn, you're on your analogy kick today. Independence, Independence Day, right? Great moment.

You had, you had the, the overlord aliens come in and they, they had their motherships, over all the major cities. Whoa, we got the U.S., we got China, we got Russia, we got Cuba. We're all working together right now. That's what we're seeing right now with Frank and Eddie and Oscar. Are these guys all going to come together? Is MVP going to come up and be one of the major boxing promotions? I think actually MVP's in a really good spot.

They're a really good spot because they're going to be allowed into the room with the old guard. They're jumping the line, right? That's a big deal. And there's a big market share there. And they were super smart in taking up all the female fighters. All the top females. Oh, yeah. That's why I think they're in a good spot.

Super smart. Super smart to do that. But also, I think because of the time, the timing, that they're going to get scooped up with the old guard. And they're going to be thought of as one of the big major promotions. Not to say that they're not, but they're not there yet. They haven't done the major shows that we've done over the years and decades with all these other guys. But they're going to get scooped right up and go right into that.

The good thing is that their promotional arm is so good. And their show quality is excellent that it's going to be seamless. So timing-wise, Jake Ball, once again, again is in the right spot at the right spot at the right time. Yeah. And then the big thing to come out of this, too, is the fact that Tyson Fury, when he fights Macbadov, on Netflix, will not have Queensberry involved with it. I don't even remember this last week or two weeks ago kind of flew under the radar, too.

It's like they announced the Fury comeback, Netflix versus Machboidov, and Frank Warren goes, I had no clue this was happening. Yikes. Dude, Frank Warren and Tyson Fury have been together for years. that's arguably his biggest client or his biggest fighter. It's like it's what AJ is to Hearn and vice versa for match for Queensberry. So that led me, you know, peel back the onion a little bit and let you see that, you know, Zufa and Sela are spearheading the Fury Machmanov card.

They're paying Connor Van $15 million. And this isn't speculation. This is Mark Shapiro, all of TKO group saying, no. Turkey, El-Sheek is footing, Sell is footing that bill for Connor Ben in the $15 million. Connor Ben is fighting Regis Progrey. Conor Ben

versus Regis Proge. $15 million co-main event. Yeah, that's a steel. The biggest deal have we seen in a long time. Maybe the biggest deal. And that's, that's crazy. But, I mean, Conor Ben's and their team have not changed the script.

They're fighting another 37-year-old, fighting in an outsource. side of the weight class who hasn't been very busy, just like what he fought me, you know, seven years ago, six years ago, whatever that was. Yeah, pro gray, and they're fighting at 150, by the way. Also, he's only got six weeks notice.

He gave me five weeks notice. So it's the same, it's the same recipe. Get an older, former champion, have him come up and wait. Don't give him too much time to train. Pay him all the line. Yeah, but Eddie was the mastermind behind that. Maybe he wasn't.

Seems like maybe he wasn't. Maybe that's just the script that these guys have been rolling out. But listen, it's working. He's getting paid. You know, obviously it worked out when he fought me. He got the result and some. Got paid well, but now he's going to pay crazy money. And he's got to go out there and at least do the same thing again.

But you're fighting a guy who's 37 years old is one in two in his last three fights, has not been very active, has never fought above 142. The fights at 150, who has been dropped, I think, I mean, in his last, however many fights, Haney dropped him Caterall dropped him twice Life and death With Jojo Diaz Who was on life support on our air

Who lost to a journeyman on our era in ProBox It's a lot of things And on top of that Listen the fight being made is one thing You're coming back down and wait Off the middle way fight That's one thing The 15 million

Co-made Metis and Fierry Mopinov That's the real boot to your face where you're like, what are we doing? Well, it's a statement. That's what it is. Connor Ben's fighting on that card is a statement. Tyson Fury and Connor Ben fighting in a UK stadium without Queensberry and matchroom involved

and Zufa involved is a statement. That's what this is. $15 million is what it takes to grab Connor Ben and put him on the undercard of a Tyson Fury fight in a stadium, which will have a lot of eyeballs. no Eddie, no Frank Warren, Dana White front and center, Turkey front and center, Zufa front and center. That's what this is. It's $15 million for that.

If you think about it from a business standpoint, that it makes sense. Isn't it also the statement that you are going to consume whatever we put in front of you? That is the whole problem, this whole thing. Boxing has always been like that. You are going to consume whatever we put in front of you, and you're going to eat it up, and you're going to love it.

Yeah, but boxing's always been like that. Like we'll watch everything. We get boxing events and mistreated for years. Definitely going to watch it, especially on Netflix. But like, it's just, it's, it's, you had so many people talking about this $15 million deal, this eight-figure deal. And you're like, oh, he's got to fight, he's got to fight Ryan. He's got to fight Choucour. And then you pull up pro great.

Hey, listen, good for pro great. Good for you, champ. Get that money. Yeah, good for both of them. I mean, like you said, like you guys have a finite amount of years to make money. 100%. Both of you guys great job. Be like, whoa.

I'm not knocking. I never knock fighters making money. I don't care who the fighter is. You make a money good for you. You're maximizing me your opportunity, a very small window. Ben is obviously doing that. Pro Gray is getting an opportunity to cash in on some of that. That's great.

But in terms of what the fans want, this is so against what the whole ideal was supposed to be. The best fighting the best. The toughest, no easy fights come in. Not the saying it's an easy fight, but like it kind of is. But like there's no, you know, we're going to have head-to-head 50-50 kite match shops. You got to earn your spot. There's not a lot of earning going on in this one. No, this is, like I said, this is like a business move.

Connor Ben, right place at the right time. Keith Connolly and his manager, just secured manager of the decade. 15 million for a co- or co-main event. Non-title fight, non-champion fighting a much smaller former champion. Easy touch. In Progrey, I did not like what I saw when Progrey fought Jojo Diaz. That was a punch-drunk type of fight for both guys. you know, Pro Gray, yeah, this is insanity.

Like when Zufa announced Ben signing, when I looked at Twitter, my first reaction was this is fake. Yeah. When I woke up this morning, I thought this was faker. I thought this was faker. And then I open my phone and I see Connor Ben versus Progrey. I'm like, okay, that's fake. Let me go try to find who Ben is really fighting.

No, he's fighting Regis Progrey. So, I mean, it's great work if you can get it. But I truly believe that this is. a statement. This is more than just, hey, we're signing Connor Ben, who, sorry, guys, is a name in boxing. I understand you can look at his name versus his accolades and his skills. He is one of the biggest names in the sport, and he has been for the last three years. Big fights with Chris Eubank, drug suspensions. He's been in the headlines for the last three years, good, bad, and ugly. Shows up on everything, too. As we know in this sport, if you elicit a reaction, if it's good or bad,

you're going to make money in this sport. So I understand there's a lot of people criticizing Conver. It also helps when you have a last name of a legendary champion. He's like me in the lab, like when it comes to... He's completely constructed.

Interest. Yeah, he's a constructed interest. He's a project. He's a lineage. But this is why Eddie is so... This is why Eddie is so butt hurt. He built this guy. He did all that.

He did all that ground work. He went to the bathroom heavy. Went to the bathroom heavy on the drug thing. If it wasn't for the drug thing, I wouldn't even bat an eye. I'd be like, listen, dude, you got any figure, hey, dude, you got to do. You know, like, you don't have to call you.

It is what is the contract's over. The drug thing, the, the, the, how much Eddie went to batheas, the only thing that gives me any kind of pause from, like, yeah, you probably could have talked to him, gave him a phone call and worked out, you know, hey, I'm going to go this way, it's life-changing money. I got to, I got to do it, but, but even to even to that point, I'm always going to decide with the fighter to make, to make the most money they can. But, yeah, it's just, it's, it's shady movement.

No question. Manix said that there were some reports like, oh, they have upside on a pay-per-view. They have, this is something about Zufa. They have options on bed, no options, according to Manix. He said, this is a one-fight, $15 million deal, and then he becomes a free agent once again. Then we do this dance all over again. But what we've seen now is that, you know, Turkey and Sela are going to funnel their money towards Zufa. They're obviously not funneling it towards Queensberry, obviously not funneling it towards

matchroom, they're now signing guys. They're cutting out promoters. Obviously. I'm saying we're seeing it now in broad daylight. We know, we speculated on this for year now, but now we see the plan. That was my point about saying as soon as they brought in Dana, every one of those guys should have went, uh-oh. They did.

Yeah. They fought a little bit. They should have fought a lot harder because. Eddie put up some interviews and talked a lot of trash and then a week later, he's in tears. Yeah, I mean, again, they showed you what they were going to do and you let him do it. Because they all profited off of it. Yeah, well, dude, we work in media. Like, this sport is such, so cutthroat from the boxing dealing, straight up to how the media is run.

Like, you have to take anything you get. The media to each other. The media to us is cutthroat. Like, people don't understand. friends. People don't understand how awful this business. I say it all the time. Best sport in the world worst business. And it's bottom to top, top to bottom awful business. Can't trust anybody. Everybody's out to get you. Everybody's out to step on your skull to step to get forward. And that's just the way it is. It's doggy dog. It's like that in gyms.

It's not anything different. It's like that in every stage of this sport. It is a competitive, ruthless business from every, every aspect. But I don't think Queensberry is just going to like, they're not going to go out with a whimper. No way. No one is. That part, that's the part where I'm like, all right, I don't have a crystal ball and I can't see fully. Like, if they're just poaching guys now, like, if Tyson Fury can just turn his back on Queensberry, which is not really even being like, telling me a story.

It's like, will Warren be at that event? Like, is Queensberry involved with Tyson Fury at all? Because from what we've seen it, it's like, no, Zufa, you know, Turkey's paying Fury. It's on Netflix. and there we go. So it's like, I don't have a crystal ball to fully see if Queensberry and Matchroom and MVP and Golden War, are they going to be okay? Or is this going to happen a lot quicker?

You know what I mean? Like, is Zufa going to scoop up Sikornex or Tiefimo or Usyk or just go down the list? And use this same game plan. Like, hey, we're, we're giving you X amount of money short-term deal. will put you on Netflix, will put you on Paramount. With the amount of money that they have allocated

for each year, they could do a fight every trimester or every quarter where they have these kind of super fights. That's the plan. Ring magazine fights and get these one-offs

with these guys and pull them in and do one-fight deal, whatever, and you get paid an exorbitant amount of money. In terms of what they have, they can do that. The problem with that is,

now you have shareholders and they need to make the money. There's a bottom line. This is a business. there is no such thing as endless money. So how long does this last? How long can they keep this up? How long until someone breaks into the books who is at the top and goes,

you know what, guys, this ain't, this ain't working out the way that we expect. This ain't working out the way that you pitched us. And we're going to pull it out. We're going to pull out because that's how corporations work. This is capitalism. You got to make money. There's a bottom line. These are companies that are used to making money.

These are not passion projects. These are not just for fun. I know it's kind of seemed that way with Riyadh for a while with Turkey. It was kind of like a passion thing. It seemed like now you're in bed with big business. TKO and Zufa and these guys, they're not here just to live a pipe dream of seeing your favorite fighters fight. They are a business. They need to make money.

Now the TKOs is involved. Exactly. Now the TKO is involved and now they can run like Nick Con and TKO knows how to run. Not there to lose money. No, bro. Like did you see how much profit UFC made last year? And in WWE? They're killers.

Absolutely. Now they want to add this third leg with Zufa boxing. And it does the point that's the part that's confusing. No, it's because when this was first announced, the first thing we all talked about was, how the hell are they going to pay boxers the same amount of money that they're paying UFC guys? Because that's always a debate when it comes to MMA versus boxing. When you peel back besides them in the ring or the competition where boxers are always going to beat MMA guys. The next thing was like, this will never work because.

boxers make more money than UFC guys. It's never going to happen. But now we're seeing how it's happening is there are going to throw money at a band. They're going to throw money at some of these names just to make a splash because you have to do that in boxing. They're following the same thing

that PBC did and they're following the same exact thing that Matcham Sport did and Dizome did in 2018. And they're doing that's what they're doing right now. And they're going to make a big splash. But now the difference is that they have selling, they have Turkey and they have a lot more funds. and then they're going to whittle it down to the league.

And then before it's a full takeover. I mean, that's probably their plan. If they want to, I mean, that's how they're talking. You listen to Mark Shapiro, who's a big-time executive at TKO, it's like we're very aggressive. Like Zufa is our next big thing and where all of our attention is going. You know, at UFC's kicking ass. WV's kicking ass.

Now we have these big – we're going to have four big events a year alongside 10 to 12 or 8 to 12 apex events and this is one of their big ones too this is considered one of their tent pole events is the Fury return and Connor Ben I just did not think it was going to be Regis Pro Gray

no one did like I was shocked like what like I thought like I didn't think it was going to be Shakur didn't think it was be Ryan didn't think it's be any of those guys even though I think that is obviously like in the pipeline for Ben. Regis program,

that just came out of left field. Especially, dude, how about on six weeks notice and plus 10 pounds? How about that? You don't think he knew? Like, you don't think he was told like,

even if it was like last week. It's only seven weeks, no. When I fought them, when I fought them, they gave me, they told me on the sixth week. That's the first time they asked me

and I was like, no, I'm fighting 140. And then by the time camp started, I was five weeks out. So yes, no, this is what these guys do. How much is Regis getting?

They did this. Oh, boy, he's got to be. I mean, he has good management, and he's, he's been very smart and in terms of making the money. So I'm sure they're going to understand what the pot is and they're going to go for it. I mean, he's not going to make anywhere near $15 million, but, um, not going to make anywhere where probably 10 or even five, but still. You think it's his biggest payday? I would say so. Besides the thriller? He's been paid well, but I mean, this is, if they're smart, they're going to go for the gusto on this. You, you give me. six weeks notice to fight 10 pounds up. Yeah, you better pay me, bro. Yeah, it's hard to even understand where Ben goes after this. Definitely going to win. I mean, he can stop him. I think that's a big reason to do it.

If he doesn't, if Ben does not stop Progrey, I think that's the worst case scenario. Yeah, I mean, that's a big part of this too. It's like, all right, let's put him on the co-main event of Tyson Fury's return. It's on regular Netflix. This is going to do crazy viewership in comparison to what we've seen from DeZone and other pay-per-views. Is it going to touch like the Joshua Jakes? No, but like this should do anywhere over 5 to 10, 15 million on Netflix because this is like the first real UK Netflix show to. And it's Tyson Fury who's a massive, massive name.

So, right, let's throw Ben on the undercard. He should have a spectacular knockout. And then we kind of get what we've wanted out of this, which is. eyeballs, the narrative. Oh my God, Dana White steals Eddie Hearn's prize possession. And now they're suing us. And now we're putting on big time events and stadiums.

That's what Zufa wants. That's what we've seen in boxing over and over. I know everyone, Mannix keeps saying, oh, it's a one-fiteal. Do you think they're going to build this kid up and just let him go? No, it's a turkey. He's with Turkey for life. Like, just like Canelo is and a lot of these other guys.

I mean, Turkey has his favorites. and TKO is identified guys that they feel can fight with them, whether it's part of bigger U.S. shows that are outside of the Apex or it's these international ones. I mean, and Ben is that guy. I know people hate him, but listen, he is a name. When do we start looking at all these overlapping companies and Shell Corps that are on top of each other?

And it's like, oh, you got signed to two Zufa, but yeah, he's really with Ring. And Ring is part of Zufa. And it's all, I think it's all these overlapping companies, if you really look at it. So when you're saying, oh, this big signing with Zufa, it's like, is that really a big signing?

It's not really a deal. It's not really a signing. But when they do the roster, they have Connor Ben on the roster. Do you see that? Is he on that big slop? Yes, he is. That big slop with everybody on there,

and everyone's listed the same thing, and it took everything out of it. You're just a number again. He's on there. So like, you're signing this one fight deal, but you're also on the Zufa roster, but you're a ring fighter, and you're going to do these ring fights,

and you're making $50 million. Yeah, it's confusing. using on purpose. It's, it's, it's a smokescreen. Do the fans really care or do they just want to see good fights? I think a majority of fans are pissed because they're like, all right, Connor, Ben, let's see what you got. Regis Brogrey. No, once again, no offense to Vichis Program, but he's not, we're not being offensive to Vigris Regis for. He's a very good champion.

Good dude, too, but like, that's not what the fans ask for. That's not with, you know, it doesn't equal the pizzazz of the signing. It's not equaling the first fight. And you can't get in everybody's face at the Ring of War. and every fight in New York and then, you know, getting Chaucor's face and you get in Hitchin's face and you get in Ryan's face. And then you fight a guy that no one's even thought about for a year and a half. You know, it's just a guy who's not been in the media spotlight. Yeah, it's wild. But going back to that ring tweet that was just kind of crazy in terms of them inserting those.

I thought that was going to get taken down so fast. I screenshot it because like, oh, there's no way this is going to stay up. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean, it's pretty obvious what that. was all about. And that goes to a bigger discussion that we've been having here on the show and just in general as the ring magazine becomes more in focus. It's purchased by Turkey. It has become the main media outlet. They poured a lot of money into refurbishing it and making it better and doing all that. They have a show now. And they also have their belt and they have their rankings.

And a big part of what Zuf is doing and a big part of TCO is doing is getting rid of the sanctioning bodies and keeping the ring belt as potentially the belt along with the Zufa belt. But that's where issues come in. That's where the same issues that are happening. And the BMF belt, too. Don't forget that. If Max had his wish. I'd like to know what Max takes about this.

It'll happen, dude. It'll happen. Is Max going to fire off something at Frank Warren? Because he did last week to Eddie. He said, Eddie needs to stop crying. We're taking over. Max said that. We are taking over.

Wow. They're not even hiding it. Max must have got stock in this thing, huh? That's what someone said on Twitter, like a very clever and like this dude on Twitter, Robert Joyner believes his name. He's on top of everything. He's a regular guy. And he tweeted Max has to have equity in Zufa. Even if it's like 0.5% if they build it up to the WDB is, you're getting hundreds of millions. But anyway, the reason why I look at this ring statement and I get a little concerned is

because, you know, they want this ring belt to be the main thing. in boxing. They wanted to, has a lot more emphasis and a lot more importance. Then you take a look at the welter rate rankings that just got put out

on two days ago or yesterday. We got Devin Haney and Brian Norman and Stanionis. Those top three haven't moved. But now Ryan Garcia is now four

after beating Barrios who was ranked eighth or ninth last week. Now the part that's really questionable and it's like, wait, I've seen this from the WBC.

I've seen this from the IVF. Roli Romero is now ranked fifth after not being in the rankings for weeks, months, now he's fifth. Now he's back in. He's back in. He's back in. Not just back in, but he's top five.

Yeah, so he'll be in a big fight soon. But it doesn't, more at the big fights, it's more about, like, these rankings don't mean anything yet right now. Like, they're cool to look at and, like, they're fun, and I think it's easy for fans to follow along. But if these belts go away and the ring one becomes the most important belt, then they do mean a lot. You know, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, but it's, because I've been told that one can't fight, it's one verse two for the ring belt. So that's my biggest issue with them. You're

pretending these rules matter. But that's the thing. They don't. People from Ring Magazine tweeting at me saying, at least we're not like the other, like, ring at our fans. Until they are. Until they are. Until they are. They're going to depend the rules. They're going. They're going to. They're going to Dan, like the ring is, the ring's got this. Tell them to write it down. Tell them to write it down. But also there are people that see what happened yesterday with that statement and they're like, and then we see these

rankings out and I'm looking at these rankings and I'm like, wait a second. Now Rollies goes from not ranked the fifth after not even fighting. He hasn't fought a year. There's been a problem with the rankings forever and every governing body and a lot of them will have been kind of fake. The good thing was that

we had multiple different organizations. This is actually the good part about having so many different belts is that they all could fact-check each other. Because if you had some, you would have a guy at three that no one else had. You're like, okay. Right. You're like, who's this guy? That guy doesn't belong. And that's where the Ring Magazine was actually good.

Because Ring Magazine was generally a congregate of all the other organizations. They're like, hey, that guy number three that is on no one. He's out. Boom. And then they made a composite of what the actual top ten should be. That's when the Ring Magazine rankings were good. Problem is now is they're trying to go completely against the grain of any of the other organizing bodies.

And now it has literally just become arbitrary. And they're saying this is one through 10 based on what I think, whoever that guy is or that board or whatever is. So that's what the good thing about having the competition of different organizations are is you can weed out the outliers, the ones that don't belong. And we don't have that anymore because now we have literally a, it's going to be a totalitarian. This is how it is. This is how it is.

Well, yeah. Just like the UFC. That's when the ring, it's a sad day. That's the goal. That's the goal. I know, because the problem that I always are the one issue I have with the ring is that they can't mandate fights. So they obviously want the welterweight.

It's a hot division. You got some of the biggest names. You got Ryan Garcia. You got Haney. You got Roli. And the ring obviously wants their belt up on that stage. It wants to be affiliated with those guys in this division. But according to their own rule set, it's only one versus two.

So that means Devin Haney would have to fight Brian Norman again. but we know that's not happening and then Stanion, like, and very rare, I've had someone Adam Abramowitz so I think works for the ring is on the ring ranking board, tweeted at me and said in very rare cases, one versus three has been allowed to determine

the ring magazine championship. Even that would be Devin Haney versus Stanionis. Do you think that fight is happening anytime soon? I love how these guys stick to rules for the ring, which is literally a made-up thing. It's not, it has no teeth. It's not a real, it's not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not offending it.

I love the idea of it, though. Of course, of course. We always did. The ring was always an important thing, but it's not a real belt. It doesn't have any teeth. It's not a governing body. There's no sanctioning fee. It doesn't have employees.

It's all these different things. But also, the companies that were actually governing bodies make things like Mani Packo being able to fight for a world title at the four and a half years off. Ryan Garcia would be coming off of two losses. Never going to fight. Conor Ben coming back into the rankings, never having a legitimate top 10 win or top 15 win in a way class. and stepping into number one position.

It's not going to be any different. This whole idea is, we've got to get rid of these things because they're so bad. They do all these different things. They're going to get in control and do the exact same thing. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts, absolutely. Simple, it's as old as time. All right, let's move on to real boxing, Chris.

This is a boxing show. Yeah, we talk about way too much legal stuff. No, but it's, it's, it's, we've been saying this for a while that we're in the most interesting time. I think maybe ever because the sport is being rewritten right before our eyes like everything is changing

and it's happening fast it's happening so fast that I can't even keep track of it Frank Warren versus Sulla versus Dana versus Eddie can we all just get along no no not in this sport

cut throat it's not of this works Dan it's not of this works cut throat big fight this weekend 130 pounds It is a unification bout. Emmanuel Navarrete versus Eduardo Sugar Nunes.

I don't see how this is not an all-out war. Both guys come forward. Both guys throw leather. Both guys do not care about defense. It's going down in Glendale, Arizona, which should have a very vibrant Mexican, Mexican-American crowd. This is the good stuff. This is why we watch.

If you are not watching this, you are not a boxing fan. If you are more concerned about Regis Prograve versus Connor, Ben, you are in the wrong business. This is the fight that you should be watching. This is gangbusters. It has to be an all-out. Total Mexican affair. I mean, war. This has war written all over it. These guys are brutal. Punchers, a lot on the line. It's in Glendale. I mean, forget it. This is, this is it, baby. My question here, though, is how much, what does Navarite have left? Because I've written this guy off before, and I have not, I've wondered where he's at in his career. I know he's in his early 30s, but he's had trouble making the weight. He's

looked great at times. He's looked awful at times. He's been a part of some of the most controversial finishes, his fight against Charlie Suarez, the fight against Liam Wilson. He's also looked awful and done and done great. Because sometimes he just looks bad, but he just performs well. The guy can punch and he's just he's he's he's something else i've never seen someone fight like him and and and he's a whirling dervish warling dervish warling dervish mexican whirling dervish he uh fights like uh the tasmanian devil yeah throws punches from angles that shouldn't be thrown from and i'm i'm not even a technical boxing like i just know that that doesn't look right my concern um one was for being long in the tooth even though he's not that old he's only 31 years old but he's had a long hard

career and taking a lot of damage and a lot of sparring sessions, a lot of camps. This is his 14th year as a pro. That's something that you shouldn't scoff at. Also, he's been inactive. And when he's inactive, he has trouble making weight. So you've got age, you've got weight, you've got wear and tear. All of those could play a factor in this fight. But all the good things you said about him, well, the positives are still there.

He's still that guy. Even when you count him out, he shows up. up. And sugar is, I mean, you got to, how do you not like what you see? But I don't know how much of that, I don't know how much of a destructive puncher he is. You know, you look at his record and you're like, oh, dude, he's got 27-Kos and 29 fights. But, you know, goes to distance to Christopher Diaz, goes to the difference to Rikashi, you know, his past two fights. You know, if Mariyaga is old, stops him. he doesn't have super high-level guys on his record where we can really measure up that power

if he's real. So according to CompuBox, Navarite's last five fights, he's throwing 58 punches around, landing 13 punches. That's pretty good. But his previous 12 fights, Navarite was throwing 70, landing 22. So that is a big drop-off. over his last five fights to what we've seen with her eye.

It's like, all right, he's not obviously on the same output as you get older. I mean, Chocolatito's probably one of the only guys that kept that output into his late 30s. So Neveretti has gone down a little bit. That was his whole style. Yeah, because he wasn't a puncher. Navidreth is a puncher. Yeah, but there's two ways to look at it. Like, obviously, neverides is getting older.

So he's changed his game plan. He's changed his, you know, just father time has taken. and it's tall and he's not thrown 70 punches around. We sold us from Paciel late in his career. He went from 70 to 45. When he fought you, Chris, he was throwing 45 punches around, but he was sitting down on those shots. He was making them, he was fighting different.

He's fighting smarter. So I'd like to see what version of Navarite comes out in this fight because the thing about Nunes, though, Chris, is he gets hit. His opponents land 40% of their power shots. That is a really, really high number. Yeah, that's a lot. And Nunez can land.

And he does have that in him. He'll give you a few rounds with the 70. 80. You know, he might not be, you're not going to redline it every, every single round. I also don't think Nunes's face anyone close to Navarrete's skill set, even if he is 31, 32 years old, he said 14 year career. The odds are interesting. Navarate is the underdog, plus 155. Nunez minus 200 favorite. I think it's a, I think it's going to go around. Navarete by K.O. plus 380, Nevarete by decision, plus 400. Nunez by decision, plus 150.

Yeah, I'd lean Nunez. If I was going to put money on another result, it would be Navarrete by stoppage. I don't think Navarrete gets the decision, but it could happen, but I would definitely lean Nunez money line,

but I'm not putting money on this because it's just, it's just too many question marks with Navaratee because he's been inactive, he is older, definitely better competition, But I just feel like momentum-wise, Nunez is in the right place. I got burns with Barrios.

I think I'm taking the week off from betting. You bet on that fight? Did you actually bet? Dude, I always put... Whenever I put out a bet, I'm putting money on it. Oh, wow. So, all right, so everyone listening, I don't bet on these fights.

So when you guys come at me for my picks, I'm like, well, I didn't tell you to bet. I didn't bet it. I will tell you if I'm betting, which is very rare. I only bet when I am really short. that's one that's the thing i'm if i'm gonna put my name on a bet i'm gonna put my money on it too i'm i'm with you dude i only reason i'm the only reason i give my picks is because you ask

yeah maybe uh no we're always gonna give our picks oh henry uh gorsia apologized yeah i saw that i kind of apologize half apology yeah well whatever i mean he he was out of he was out of order he was definitely out of order and he goes i meant to insult you but not that bad that's what he said well i wasn't insulted at all so how about that? Neither was I. I found it amazing. Yeah, that same. I thought it was great, great, great fodder for the, for the people out there and good

hit for the pod. That's great. And when everyone else thinks about me, I really don't care. Especially good. That's the difference between me and you. Yeah, I don't care at all. I care. I care. I care. I care. I'm probably not going to bet on this one, even though I think Navarite plus money. I know. I know. You see those guys, the Pointer

brothers on Instagram where it's like if you get beers tonight and they look at each other. It's like, my bet. I'm not going to bet on this fight and they look at it. Like, I might sprinkle some on Navarete. Like, I don't remember last time he was plus money. Maybe the first fouled this fight? I lost my buddy a bunch of money on Isaac Dogbo, Navarete, the first time. Oh, my God. Because Dogbo was a, was a beast, right? At the time, do you remember that? And the Navete comes out of nowhere. He was like a Rapha Espinoza. Like, oh, he's got the Sterling record. He doesn't really funny, but he really I know he is.

He kind of looks weird, whatever. And he goes out there and he beat the dog shit at Isaac Dogbow. My friend will never let me down. He'll go, you know, he'll ask me, hey, who do you got this week? I'll say he's like, oh, like dogbow level or what are we talking about? See, that's one other thing, too, is you give one bad piece of advice. You can win 10, 12 bets. Yep.

Give one bad bet. Like, we might never live down the Barrios picks. I've already lived, I'm past it already. I've got, I've had, dude, I've had so many wins on this show. So many wins. I don't, I don't care. Also, my bet was heavily, heavily influenced by the fact that Pauley was going so hard for Barrios not being a good fighter that I couldn't, I couldn't sit there and just let him talk and talk and talk and not go against him. I had to be like, listen.

Yeah, you had to stick up for the fighter. I had to stick up for the fighter. But also, I was waiting for that Monday morning content where I can go in and go, see? Because that's how me and Polly are. I have to fight with him about absolutely everything. Otherwise, what are we doing? Yeah, so they're the odds. It's really going to be an awesome fight.

Going to be an awesome scene. Emiliano Vargas is on the card fighting Augustine Quintana. We got Abel Ramos. How about that? 10-rounder against Tamir Smalls, Arturo Cardinas, which Jordan Martinez. Over in Glendale, Arizona on regular Des Moines. zone, a unification bout

a 130. Should be a good one. Talk about that on Monday. I'm headed up to Verona to call some fights. I'm looking forward to watching Kermel Moten. He's a beast. 19 years old fighting in a 10-rounder. 19 years old fighting in a 10-rounder. Damn.

And the guy he's fighting just upset Terrell Bostic, who I've called a bunch of fights. Who's he fighting? I know because I know Terrell Bostic. I used to spar with him. I mean, it doesn't matter, but, um, I got it right here. He is fighting, uh, Wilfredo Flores.

Okay. My first 10 rounder, I was 20, but I was kickboxing. But yeah, it's still, it's, uh, that's pretty intense, 10 rounds. I'm hoping they get this kid going because I know, I know, he's a prospect, but he's getting treated like the guys, the champions where like, and not in terms of like publicity and stuff, in terms of, like, fighting twice a year? Part of that is his own fault. He blew that weight that time.

That always makes everyone pump the brakes. You're like, all right, come on. Maybe you need to mature a little more before we start really putting you to a serious schedule. So it could be that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to, uh, I'm looking forward to getting up to Verona, talk a damn calling the fights with Justin Gousin Brown and the, uh,

Gibbons and all those guys, Tony Palmieri. Yeah. He's part of it. My guy, Tony. I, uh, I like Verona. I mean, I hate the snow that you run across and you are up there, but Rona's, that's cool. That's a cool little area. Yeah, I'm going to be in a casino.

It's like worst places to be where casino, at least you know you have food options. You got some decent entertainment. You got a bar. It's good because you don't have to leave. You don't have to leave. No Ubers. Everything sends you located. I'll take that.

I love a venue, a casino venue. Just like you said, you never have to leave. Like, if I don't have to go outside. Well, yeah, especially in the winter. Only got to do is just suck in and get my pants on Dude, you got to run the morning of the show You got to sweat out A little bit

You gotta get that suit to fit No, you're just, you gotta, you just little... This is a suit supply, like... It's inflamed, dude, you just gotta, you gotta... I spent a lot of money on this suit And I just bought it, like... I don't understand, you don't drink beer And you don't eat bread.

How do you gain... I think my metabolism, like, broke. Ah, you're slowing down, you get old. Because, yeah, 100%, because like I've always been like oh Dan's skinny then you're so skinny like girls would say dan you're skinny and i would hate that and then like i was so focused the last two years yeah i was so focused the last few years on bulking up like taking creatine that could be a pro i stopped taking the creatine because i was like i don't need to i don't need anymore keep the opposite going keep the create

but yeah i know it has other benefits um other than working like for bulking up it's good yeah i honestly think i think the metabolism finally like the cannibial metabolism i guess short shuts down at 37, 38. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's a, there's a peak to everything, you know? You know what we got to do is, know what this means? Got to get you on the special sauce, man. I love to do you on, got to get you on some clomid, get you on some, clumbudoral, get you on some, what else are these guys taking?

Diarretics. No, no, no, no diuretics, no diuretics. We got to get big, we're getting big and swole. What do Ryan fail for? Osterine. Osterine, get you on some Osterishton. get you on some osterine, get you on some clomid, get you on,

what was the other one that Janubek failed for? That crazy old 19, 2010 Olympic. He was taking the quailudes from like the 80s. Found the ludes. He was on the heavy shit. All right, we'll be back Sunday with another episode

recapping and probably some more news, more lawsuits, more PED talk. Nobody sue us, please. I mean, we're good. We said everything. We gave a disclaimer. We gave a disclaimer in the beginning of the show, so we're okay. Big time.

We should put a disclaimer at the beginning of every single show from now on so we don't get sued. The way boxing's going, it's becoming that. All right, everyone. Thanks for watching. We'll see you on Sunday. Have a great weekend. Keep your hands up at all times. Protect yourselves at all times.

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