The Ariel Helwani Show - Inside Boxing | Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua hits a snag, boxing things we're grateful for

Episode Date: September 27, 2026

Unfortunately, we must open the show discussing the latest snag in the once-announced Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua fight. The event was announced on Thursday only for it to be in jeopardy by Friday evening. The hold up is reportedly based on Dana White’s involvement in the fight as a promoter (02:23).With all the negativity in boxing lately, the guys decided to list all the things they are grateful for in boxing, from Naoya Inoue, early main events, British heavyweights, to regional club boxing shows. Let’s get some positivity back in this insane sport (33:49).

Hi, everyone, welcome back. It is another episode of Inside Boxing. We're presented by PPDD.com in association with uncrowned Yahoo Sports. Episode 504 of the program. It is Sunday, September 27th. I'm Dan Kenobio. He is the champion, Chris Algerian.

He would like to address our listeners, our viewers. Chris Aljari, the floor is yours. Just addressing a lot of the comments about my breathing into the microphones. You notice, I have a nose strip on now today. It's going to open up my, uh, my deviated septum. Listen, guys, I got 49 professional fights. I've broken my nose and my nasal, my orbital a bunch of times.

I will move the mic, so it's not in your face, but my bad guys. Listen, we listen to the comments. We try to make this show as beautiful as possible. Chris was punched in the nose. A lot. A lot. So we're going to address that. 20 years, 20 years of professional fighting experience.

Comments are great, though. Chris breathing like Tony Supranos. That's awesome. Do you snore? No. I sleep fine. I don't snore. I think it's just the location.

Well, do you know that you snore? Here have to be extra part. I've been told. I'm good. Unless I drink too much, I don't snore. Or if I have like a, you know, like a, like a nasal infection or something like that. All right. But I did break my sinuses.

I broke my orbital. So I definitely have an issue. Is that from the? That's from the Ruslan fight. Yeah, broke this, this. Orbital in three places was up. Do you feel that still? Yeah.

I feel most... A cold, rainy day? I feel most of the things. No, bro, I literally cannot sleep on one side of my face. I can't sleep on my left side. I literally, it feels like that nasal, like, that nasal space closes off and I just can't breathe. So I have to, I have to sleep on my right or on my back.

I'm a flip-flopper too. Like, if I'm sleeping on one side and I don't like that, I go to the other side. Yeah, I move around a lot. I'm not fun to sleep next to. And plus, I've... Damn. around me all the time. They're just, you know, sleeping up, taking out my whole damn bed. I really got to kick them out of bed. It's not a good thing. All right. Let's move on.

All right. We address that. We've addressed that. And we will always listen to you guys to make this show the best it could possibly be because the content is phenomenal. You can't deny that. Over the weekend, we had some ridiculous news. Last episode, we talked about the announcement. Finally, Tyson Fury versus Anthony Joshua is on. And then on Friday, we get an announcement that the fight is in danger of happening over some quote-unquote issues. It came right from Mr. Mike Coppinger tweeted this out. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua could be called off due to issues, according to sources. And a replacement fight of Terrence Crawford and Ryan Garcia is being considered.

They're even talking about Tyson Fury versus D. David Benavides. Guys, I put out a video. I don't really usually like to do this. You've kind of got my thoughts on boxing media these days, and who are the good guys, who are not so good guys, who are the good actors, who are the actors acting in bad faith? You got to just see this for what it is.

Mike Coppenter is fed information from Turkey. He works for Ring Magazine. Turkey owns Ring Magazine. This is a Ring Magazine card, Fury v. Joshua. We obviously know that there's a problem with this fight with the involvement of Dana White. Turkey, Zufa, TKO want to be involved in this fight. Eddie Hearn is claiming that their side of thing says that Dana White cannot be part of the fight. That's the holdup right here.

This is why this tweet went out. And another reason why this tweet went out because Turkey told Mike Coppinger to put this tweet out. It is Turkey 101. If negotiations go south, if something goes awry. Coppiger, hey, get them up in the bullpen, start warming up, Coppager, because we need you to tweet out some nonsense. We need you to put some fear of God into Eddie Hearn or put some fear or try to change the narrative and get boxing fans riled up. But here's the thing, Chris, boxing fans aren't stupid. Boxing fans have seen through this time and time again.

They know that this is ridiculousness from Turkey. They know that you can't take Coppiger serious anymore. They throw out some ridiculous fights, and how ridiculous are these fights that they just threw out? Terrence Crawford tweeted out that he didn't even know about this. He's like, is someone going to fill me in on this? Like, when did this come about? So this is utter nonsense. The fight will happen.

This won't work on boxing fans anymore. There are a few newcomers that are like, oh my God, can you believe this? Tyson Fury versus David Benavitas? Can you believe the fight is off? Like, wow, Dean is the man. Wow, Tyson Fury is the best. And you know, the hardened boxing fans, ardent boxing fans, hardened and ardent.

Boxing fans know what this is by now. It's utter nonsense. I can't believe we're still talking about this on Sunday after we got an announcement for a fight. Like Netflix must be like, what are we doing? Why are we even bed with boxing? Why are we even trying to do this? Sorry for this long-winded rant,

but I just wanted to set it all up as we dive in once again. Yeah, it's classic controlling the narrative. This is a tactic as old as time. You start throwing out some other potential fights. they kind of put pressure. This kind of stuff happens. This happened to me. I mentioned this before in a past podcast where I was negotiating for the Pachiao fight,

where I just went, like, quiet for a couple days while they're trying to get a hold of me. And immediately, there's an article on Newsday. Chris Algeria is blowing a seven-figure fight. And meanwhile, in my head, I'm like, I'm not blowing anything. They don't have anyone else. I'm the guy. The fight's happening. I just haven't signed on the dotted line, because I don't like the terms.

It's the classic stalwart holdout kind of situation, trying to put pressure on each other. But this boxing is very good at giving itself black eyes. This is why major companies don't want to deal with us because of stuff like this. This is nonsense. This shouldn't happen. This fight's way too big not to just be a pretty smooth transition. And essentially, it's great you mentioned like, you know, people are asking about the ardent fans, the people who have been around the block know what this really is.

But I had guys in the gym today. Not boxing guys. Just regular people who work out. like, oh man, then Anthony Joshua's Heism Fury fights off, huh? I heard they got some other fights. I'm like, I'm like, just pump the brakes, home boy. You know, just pay attention.

This is this thing is going to get over the line. And then his follow-up question is like, which guy's the problem? Is it Tyson or is it AJ? I'm like, it's neither. It's Dina and Eddie. It's the powers that be. And he just shook his head.

He's like, oh, that's so stupid. Like, yeah, yeah, it is. It shouldn't happen. We want this fight. Everybody wants this fight. And I've said it before. The money was never the problem for making this fight. This fight would always have made money.

I know Turkey took the reins and said, you know, I got this thing over the line. But most of the time, when it comes to Turkey, it's him putting up money to make a fight happen that maybe wasn't going to garner that much money. This fight would have always made money. It's not the money pushing this over the line. It's other factors. And these other factors are rearing their ugly heads once again. And the boxing fan is getting constant push and pull, push and pull, push and pull.

it's very difficult as a fan, even the most hardened fan, going back to your other, your other, uh, descriptive of the fan base is, it's going to get you less involved. You're going to care less about this fight because of this.

The name of the show is finally. That's not a good name. That's not a good thing for fans where you have to be like, oh, finally we're getting this fight. And now we're not. The push and pull is really aggravating. And boxing fans, we say it all time. Poxy fans are smart.

You know, they don't like this shit. They don't like the nonsense. They want fights. They want it to be a business to make it happen. Yeah, this is boxing giving itself another black guy. I hate that your friends are getting fooled. I hate that this is happening, obviously. It doesn't even need this promotion either.

This is a fight. Not on the level of Mayweather-Pakio, even though it's starting to play out like that in terms of negotiations. people know who Anthony Josh from Fury is. It's going to be a sellout crowd. It's going to be viewed around the world without this. So we don't need this nonsense. This is all about egos. This is all about Zoufa and TKO wanting to be in this fight.

Because, guys, the contract that changed a fight from New York to Cardiff is the same contract that says that Dana White cannot be involved in the fight. Yeah, so Dan, give people out. home who might not know exactly what that issue is going on in terms of, because there was the big push on the venue, where it was going to be. And we come to terms that we found out that Eddie had an original contract signed where it had to be in the UK, stuck to his guns, got it back in the UK, because it was set for the garden and they put down deposits, they had a date, it was set. Eddie stuck to his guns and fought that and got it back in the UK. Not in Wembley where it belongs, that's more

of a timing issue, but they got it over in Wales. But then also, apparently there was a stipulation that Dana was not going to be involved. I don't know the big details on that, so you can elucidate that and even help me out with what's going on there. Yeah, so from everything I'm seeing, like the contract said, the original contract says the fight has to be in the UK

and Dana White, TKO Zoufa cannot be involved in it. That is the contract. That is pen on paper. That's the ink. And obviously, at the last second, they tried to switch the fight over to New York, whether it was Zufa, whether it was Netflix, whoever.

that side of things wanted to switch to fight to New York. That was the initial holdup in this fight happening. Dana, Eddie held his ground. Fight moves to Cardiff. Same contract stipulates that Dana can't be involved with this fight. But Dana is saying I am involved in this fight. Still, as of yesterday, we'll get to this press conference that he had, the Zufa event, which was a doozy,

is still saying that he is involved with the fight. And then you have Tyson Fury saying, oh, no, I took that. that language out of the contract. So they're telling me there's two different contracts. Chris, you have been part of contracts. So you're shaking your head, yes. Are you, there's two different contracts out there? I've, why isn't there just one uniform contract? I've had deals like that, where it turns out there's, there's contracts on top of contracts that overlap in certain things. It's, it's the real ugly side of the business. So for example, if, if there is a provision of services agreement where you have like an event, for example, like a fighter like me who was on a, who had

of small promoter who like Joe to Guardi Starboxing could never put on a show that would be able to garner enough attention, the marketing, and pay me enough for the level that I had gotten to. So he had to, the provision of services, he was that he would, he would, the services was me, was me as a fighter. So he would, he would then give rights to promote the fight to another bigger promoter who could put that up. So then there would be a contract between the head lead promoter and Jodiguardia. And then there'd be a contract between me and the smaller promoter starboxing. So there's, there's different contracts between, you know, the promoter and the other promoter and then the fighter. And then there's also, there's been contracts, you know, that are,

kind of hidden, but between each other that you don't know about. But this, this is a different level of fight. There should be one uniform contract. There shouldn't, there can't be unilateral, stipulations in the contract that the other guy doesn't know about in, and, and, when, when, you know, Eddie is supposed to be the main promoter. So Eddie's doing his due diligence and sticking to his guns with the contract, like you said, pen and paper. At the end of the day, it does a legally binding contract. And she's getting really ugly. Check out this tweet here.

Max Kellerman was on the broadcast yesterday for the Zufa event, which had Johnny Fisher in the main event, which was a sidebar. That whole card was a sidebar to this. Dana White was there. They put on a card. I didn't watch much of it. I caught some of the Johnny Fisher highlights. The Hot Rod fight with Craig Richards, I heard was a banger too.

I caught a little bit of that as well. But that was a sidebar to everyone asking questions to Dana afterwards about A.J. and Fury about Dana White's involvement in the fight. But on the broadcast, Max Kellerman says that Dana White's involvement in the fight so people know is purely assisting Turkey, who has been the engine behind every big fight and boxing over this. He's assisting Turkey in a personal capacity, not as a promoter. So he's alleging that Dana White is just the assistant.

He's getting Turkey's coffee. Dana White, the most powerful man in all of fight sport. The man who has walked side by side with Donald Trump is now an assistant to Turkey. This is like the stuff that you just have to roll your eyes. And I believe a lot of fans are just like, what are you talking about? Like there's one side of this that's trying to breach contracts. And if you breach your contract once, you'll breach your contract again. That's the part where Eddie has to really put 10 toes down.

It's like, all right, if you're willing to do this, like, what are some of the other parts that you'll try to take out of this contract? And one of the other parts that you'll try to renege on. And there's only one side that's talking crazy right now. You have Tyson Fury putting out front-facing videos for the last 10, 14 days. Just insane, endless, endless, endless stuff about Joshua, you're this, you're that, you're a coward, put the fight on, put the farm. You have Dana White at the Conner Ben Ryan Garcia Fight Week, doing endless interviews, turning pink in the face, losing the narrative. It's very clear. And then you have AJ and you have Herons side who are dead silent, who are sticking to the contract, who it's just, it's a perfect play on Eddie's side.

Listen, I'm not saying Eddie is a saint here, like, but he's coming out, smelling like roses in all of this. Yesterday, there was a Zufa boxing event. there was a post-fight press conference, 17 minutes with Dana White up on the stage. Zero questions about Johnny Fisher, zero questions about the two-bar. Mostly about AJ and Fury. And Dana lost his mind. Yeah, I saw some nasty clips. You saw that?

He is not used to boxing media. He's not used to simple questions. He's not used to any sort of pushback. And this wasn't even tough questions. These are basic questions, thoughtful questions. They weren't trying to prod Dana, but here's some of them. You said there was more money if this fight went to New York, so why did it end up in Cardiff? Well, if Eddie Hearn really cared about this fucking fight, first of all, the fight would happen fucking a long time ago, number one, number two, he could finance the thing himself.

I mean, I said this a million times. Finance the fight yourself fucking sell. tickets, cut a TV deal, and sell the fight? First of all, he didn't even answer the question. No, I love the hard pause in the beginning, too, to think, like, how do I, how do I, how do I answer this? And then just don't answer it. Yeah, I didn't get the right clip there.

So there was a back and forth with a guy that I was, that, that, there was a back and forth with a guy named Jack Figg. He's from the Sunsport. He is, uh, someone that has told, uh, someone has sent me him numerous times because he is my doppelganger. Look at this guy. who is a young guy I think it's a younger picture

I've seen this dude in Vegas at fights but he is the one that asked Dana the questions that got Dana to freak out and push back and just really really go hard at him about you know like what do you mean

like just freaked out and he's not used to those types of questions he's not used to and he's got to start getting used to it if he wants to stick around in boxing unless they just get rid of all of the boxing media that's not the plan Dan The plan is to bulldoze everything and start over and have the UFC format where no one pushes back.

And there's no actual media. They're all plants and they ask questions that are going to help push the next card. Yeah, Boxing Media is not like that. I like how it's a lot of these younger guys who are doing this too in the media-wise. Sean Sotel was another one who pushed Dana initially, like it was like a year ago. And we saw him go off the handle there too. So yeah, but that's not the plan. The plan is not for them to adapt to our system.

it's to completely take over the system and reenact what they already have at the UFC. I think I got it now. It is loading. Yeah, when Sean Sattel went after, he went way harder than this guy Jack Figg did. Jack Figg asked a simple question. Come on, man.

He said, what's going on with the fight? Would you step back if it meant for the fight moving on? And Dana just freaked out. When you drop an F-bombs? It's definitely not going to do that. Dana always drops that response, but Dana's definitely not going to do that. This is a power struggle between the old and new guard.

That's what this all is. This is all just that, and we're watching it in real time. And the unfortunate thing is that it's affecting a fight that the fans actually want, and it's a good fight, even though it's way too old, way too late,

but it's still a good fight. It's still a fight that fans want. We don't care about this stuff. We do because we're boxing heads and we're in the sport, but fans don't. It's not a good look. Here it is.

Got it. I know what you're doing. Your lead question, you fucking know. And what I've said 150,000 times, I don't know if I've ever known anybody who's more full of fucking shit than Eddie Hearn. If... I'm done.

But if you... If fucking, if when, who, whatever... If your involvement... This guy is full of fucking shit. I've been saying the same thing since way back when, and here we are. But if your involvement hinges on the fight happening or not, would you be willing to step back and just say you guys sort out yourself? Well, that's not up to me. That's not up to me. I'm involved in the fucking fight.

Who's it up to then? I don't know. I don't know. I know what you're doing. Your lead question, you fucking know. No, I don't think any of us. Oh, really? Do you just get here? Hi, welcome to boxing. you just fucking walk in from across the street with your cell phone and you don't know anything about this sport or what's going on

and who the fuck are you and how'd you end up in this? No one in this room needs seems to know what's going on with the fight and who's involved. Oh. You have any other questions that are relevant to this evening or anything else? Big up, Jack Figg. He didn't do anything, though. It was even a pushback.

He just... He followed up. He followed up, but that's... He didn't back down. He's not used to that either. He's used to... You know, he starts barking at you. curses at you and then they just cower up.

But no, dude, he was, he was asking a question that it, literally everybody was, everybody wants to know. It's like, it was, it was actually a legitimate question. And again, you see, you see Dana treading water at the end of that trying to figure out how the best way to answer. Like, oh, who's it up to? He's, he had to be careful saying who it was up to because of the narrative that's out there.

And it's getting very blurry. I've been to UFC press conferences. I've watched a bunch of them. The first question is always this guy, Oscar Willis from the Mac life. The MacLife is a brand that he started in conjunction with Connor McGregor. And it's always like, it's never that type of tone. It's never that those types of questions. It doesn't, you don't really need those types of that tone or those types of questions in UFC

because there is no pushback. There is no conflict in UFC. Lately, you know, with the heavyweight division, I would say there's a lot of pushback. You know, like Armand not getting a title shot, there's been some pushback there. But you very rarely get that. when you get the questions in the UFC pressers, it's always three or four in a row, softballish, fun types of things,

almost planted. I don't want to say they're planted, but it's almost like they're in conjunction. So when you come to the UK into the backyard of where this fight should be, and you have some boxing media that are a little more contentious, are used to the push and pull,

are used to contentious press conferences, are used to Dana White, or, excuse me, an Oscar or an Eddie, you're going to have, moments like that, and I think that Dana is handling this all wrong. Eddie, Eddie, Eddie is known for being a guy who spar with the media. He's good at it. He likes

it. It's part of... Yeah, but he's actually polite at times, and he'll give everyone, he will give everyone an interview. I've been to so many press conferences where it's an hour later, and Eddie is on his, he just likes to be in front of the camera, he likes to hear his own voice, but he's also giving every outlet 10, 15

minutes of his time, and he gives genuine answers to guys with a cell phone that's probably going to get 100 views. So I We'll give that to Eddie. He knows how to play the game. Eddie's also very, very knowledgeable about his roster and what's going on. His recall for his dates and his fights and who's on cards is extremely, extremely impressive. Yeah, Eddie, Eddie's really good at being this mouthpiece, you know, much better than most guys.

Most guys don't want to do any, have anything to do with that. Dana has been that, but again, like you said, in terms of what the UFC brings to it, it's what he says goes anyway. So really, you're just asking what's in his head because that's what's next. Boxing doesn't work like that. It's not like, hey, Eddie, you know, like, what's going to happen next? And he literally has a shrug of shoulders because he goes, we'll see. We're trying to make this fight.

It's not, it's not like, oh, well, I want this guy to fight this guy, and that's what's going to happen, which is what Dana's used to doing with the UFC because of all the power that he has. You know what's funny, too, is Kabasurer puts out his tweet, which was utter bullshit and just complete nonsense. And just people are seeing right through that. You know, we just talked about how that's just classic 101, PR move from the ring propaganda. At the very same time, Turkey tweets this picture out with Dana White and Nick Conn. Moments after that, you have... Moments after that, you have Dana White tweeting a picture with Turkey on FaceTime, smoking a cigar. This is a coordinated move.

It's very coordinated. For a fight that's 10 years too late. They're hijacking the fight. It's now a corporate thing. Like, Zufa has to be involved with this. So that's the hangup, right? Because Eddie has his deal. But, yeah, that confused me, too.

Because I was saying, like, Zufa is not going to be involved, but they can only have to be involved. So they want to be involved in the fight just to say, we're involved with them. It's good for their shareholder. It's good for their brand. It's good for all of that. And I have people asking, oh, this would be great.

Dana White is the U.S. You know, Eddie Hearn. He will get them on Pat McAfee. He will get them, he'll get them this. He'll get the, dude, it doesn't need that. AJ and Firk, you don't need to go on Pat McAfee, an American show with two British heavyweights. Most fans know who this is. They're going to tune in.

That's the other ridiculousness of this, too. It's like Dana doesn't offer much to this. I don't know if you've been paying attention over the years. He's not that great of a promoter anymore. The UFC is on autopilot. They're a behemoth. He shows up. He does his thing.

He doesn't really have to worry about pay-per-view sales anymore because they have to deal with Paramount, which is a streaming service. So he's not like he's adding some ridiculous value here in the U.S. where it's like, oh my God, we have to have Dana White involved us. We have to have Zufa. We have to have TKO because, oh, we're not going to get on McAfee. They're not going to get on American shows. It's nonsense. We know what this is.

It's these two guys. It's two egos. And one of them is rightfully on the side of things that I believe, which is Eddie Hearn. The other side is shoehorning themselves into a fight. But the contract, too. Like, why did they sign off in that contract? If that's what they, you know, not what they want. wanted to do if they were going to renege.

Guys, that's the contracts 101. That's how, that's how they work. You sign, you got to live by him. And that's what Eddie's doing. Eddie's going by the letter of the law. But he's also holding his position in a very, very important power struggle. So that's why Eddie's being

quiet. He's got the ace in the hole. You've got the, you've got the ink on the paper. He doesn't have to do anything. He doesn't have to do the dog and pony show. He doesn't have to do the coordinated tweets. And that's why Eddie and him are being, Eddie and AJ are being quiet. So it's just, it's, it's very obvious what's going on. And even to the fans are seeing what's going on.

How does this all pan out? I don't know. I, you know, we still get the fight. But, you know, who's going to be involved? How's it going to go? Who cares? How about that? Who cares?

I'm so invested at this point. Like, I have to know who shows up on that stage. I don't care. Because there is a press conference scheduled for Wednesday. and Dana did say, oh, you have some surprises. I don't know, Chris. I'm so invested. I really hate that part, too.

I hate that part. The surprises. Like, I know Turkey loves his surprises and he likes to like let you know. Yeah, but Dana's never one to like surprises. No, I know. But it's coming from that side. That's what I mean. That's this new world order likes surprises.

We don't like surprises. We're boxing fans. Give us our fights. I ultimately think the fight happens. Yeah, it's going to happen. ultimately think Eddie gets to promote the fight. It's hard to say, because I would like to think, like, not like to think, but I've come to learn.

The turkey usually gets his way because of the money that gets thrown around. Will they just up the ante? Will they find a way to please Hearn and Joshua throw some more money at the problem? Because that's what all Turkey has done in the last three or four years in this sport. Just throw money at things. But I believe Eddie has gone this far. He might as well just keep digging in. He's completely burned the bridge with Sella and TKO.

I think that was a coordinated move on Eddie's side. I think he kind of saw the writing on the wall. But you know what? Like I wasn't going to work much with Turkey in the future. He's aligned with TKO and Dana. So I will dig in for this and I'll make a stand. Then I'll come out looking great when the PR battle. So I think that Eddie should just keep digging in.

It would be some type of sideshow or some type of win for him. to say that I went up against the big bad wolf of Turkey, TKO, Sela, Netflix, and I won. Yeah, but this is his whole world. He has to do that. He can't, he can't lay off the gas here. He's, yeah, he's got a, like you said earlier, 10 toes down. He's, he's got to do it. Listen, Eddie's, Eddie's got balls, man. He'll fight. We've seen that. You know, we, we, he knows what's on the line here. This is a huge power grab. And this is a struggle of two Titans, We're trying to take control. It's really one side trying to take control

and Eddie trying to stick to what has always been the way. Eddie's not trying to take over the entire sport. That's not, that's never, I don't think it's ever been his motors app. He tried. He never, eh, I mean, so to BBC. Uh, 2017, 2018. A billion dollar deal. Well, I think he was just trying to come back to the USA.

I was at that press conference. I was too. It was, uh, we were on a roof. You met that canella presser? Uh, no, we all was on a rooftop where we were there announcing the deal. I mean, you might not have been at that one. That was more of a private one. Oh shit.

You're a, you're a higher up. Literally. We're on roof tiles. I was in the basement. Yeah, no, different one, different one. Oh, wow. But I was likely at that Canelo one as well. But, yeah.

Yeah, Eddie came in 2017, 2018, with the DeZone money. Death to Paperview. We just signed Canello to a 10-year deal. We're bringing over our roster. I was doing the whole thing. So he tried. BBC tried, like you said, 2015, 2016 around the same time. Turkey's now trying, getting pushback as well.

One common theme here is you can't take over. boxing. Nothing will kill it. Nothing will save it. And I don't think anything will own it. We're going to add that one too. I don't think anyone's going to own it. And the only one, I mean, this is a huge power grab going on right now. And if anyone can, it does seem like all the characters are in place to do it. I just, I don't know, man. I go back and forth. I think, oh, they're eventually just going to win out. But how much money are you willing to spend in for how long to get there? You know, and if you take a look around, there hasn't been many re-ad fights, obviously because of the ongoing stuff there, and they just slowed down

a little bit. Zufa doesn't have a numbered event plan for the rest of the year. I mean, that's not a heavy indicator, but it's definitely an indication of something. Well, it's, and I've asked by... It's different than what they expected, for sure. This has been a much harder grab than they thought. Well, I will say that the Aaliyak did, we'll get past. Yeah. And that that was holding things up, the pushback that they got on it, and whether Nico Ali Walsh was the reason for the pushback and also the reason that it got signed and pushed through. They had to pivot a little bit, TKO and Zufa. They had to start doing regular cross promotions.

They had to start acknowledging other belts. They had to do all that. Their ultimate goal is to take over. And the Ali Act, Revival Act, is the first step. So it's still very early in things. And that's why they want to be involved with an A.J. Fury fight. They want that TKO sign. They want the Zufa.

They want Dana there. That's what they, it's just, from a visual standpoint, for their business, it looks good. But it didn't sign to that. But what about the characters involved? Like, we're noticing, like, Dana is visibly frustrated and consistently so. He's pinged. Now, how long does he want to do this? You know, he doesn't have any hair, but he's pulling.

Right, I saw a lot of tweets. It's like, uh, I saw tweets that said that you wanted to be involved in boxing? Well, you're involved. Yeah. You're involved now. You're ripping, yeah, like, you're ripping the very little follow. you have left in that scalp of yours. And then I kind of like to see him squirm a little bit.

And then also, I mean, another character, another major player, and this is Turkey. And Turkey's health issues have been brought up. It seems to be a real thing. Like, how long does he stay in this situation? But also, you look at even the finances, like the live golf falling through and the attempt, you know, from these guys to come into other sports. And they bailed on those too. How long does this go until we start getting into that?

perspective where it's like, all right, this, we tried. You know, we're losing interest. You know, do we, when do we, when do we actually pack it in and move on and be like, all, you know, listen, we tried. It was, it's way too difficult in this sport. It's way too fractured. There's way too many guys digging in, like which is what Eddie's doing. He's digging in. And, yeah, it wasn't going to be that easy. We said that from the beginning. And it certainly has turned out this first year to not be that easy. They've made good ground, like you said. They all the act was huge. To be able to put on the shows they put on. They put on good fights. They put on good shows. I think that's been a net benefit for fighters.

But how does this play out? It's only been a year. We've got a long way to go. That's the billion dollar question is how much more money do they have to burn? And they went from putting on the best fights and there's nothing bad you could say about Turkey for about two or three years span. It's awesome. It's taking a turn now. Yeah. It's taking a turn where fans are starting to be like they're the ones throwing a wrench into this this fight. We're not getting as many big fights anymore. Turkey's throwing out Herkovich versus Rearhoven and Benavides versus Fury.

Like that part was so funny. Like just that when I've read that tweet from Carvajor, the immediate eye roll and the immediate laughter that came from me, it's just so obvious and so brazen. The worst part about it is the fighters already don't even know. That's the

crazy part. When Bud responds and goes, this is news to me, you think Ussick has had the idea of David Badevarez kicked around? He was like, oh yeah, No, absolutely not. He said it flat out. He doesn't want to fight Tyson Fury. Fury versus Benavitas.

Oh, Fury versus Benavitas. Is Fury really want to fight Benavitas right now? What does that do? Well, Fury did an interview for his energy drink. That's where we are now. Energy drinks put out interviews in media. The woman is like, well, will the fight happen with AJ? It's at 1%.

Says Fury. And then he starts bringing up Benavitas. Oh, you got so five times harder fighters. fight for me than AJ is. I don't know about that. But it's all nonsense. But also, but all, it's all just, okay, so, so, so,

politics. Do you think they talk David Benavita's about this? David has his own plans. David's not just like a pawn to play with. Like, yeah, you're going to throw a ton of money out. They're all pawns, bro. They're all pawns and he copies your head that has zero shame. I don't think, I don't think David's like that, man.

David is, he moves his own mountains. Oh, of course, 100%. Like, there's not even worth discussing that. Like, these guys are, Like, they're pawns. Like you said, like even got someone like Crawford. It's just thrown into a tweet from Coppager and one of the biggest fights of the year and you're throwing Crawford's name in there, willy-nilly.

It got me, it's just like so, Nick, I had to shut down the phone Friday night. I just had to take a step back. And I was like, I just, it's just so much negativity. This is not why I got into boxing media and it's not why I fell in love of the sport. So, Chris, I started to think about the things I'm grateful for in boxing. out a tweet. Guys, too much negativity lately. I felt disgusting after I made that copager video that I put out.

They had a lot of views, by the way. So what are we grateful for? And I got a lot of great responses from our fans. Some great ones. I'll read them off. But here are the things that I'm grateful for in boxing. Number one, not you anyway. Love you, pal.

You fight four times a year. You bring the noise. Every quote that comes from you is some epic warrior shit. You're just a fucking man Absolutely Just never retire He's a rock star too His ring walks

The way he fights The way he talks His willingness to engage With the toughest fights available Yes Nio in a way We should be grateful for him We love you

Absolutely I am grateful for 11 p.m. main event start times Mm-hmm Mm-hmm Lately we've been seeing 12, 1215 1230

TNT's putting them on in 11 Golden Boy has always been good with the 11. I love the British start times 5.30. I was going to say, I miss those. When we have big fights

at 5 p.m. on a Saturday afternoon, oof, those are great. We were getting those for a lot for a while. With that being said, I love British heavy weights.

Yeah. Yeah. Carrying the sport right now. Yep. Carrying the heavyweight division, whether you're Fabio Wardly, whether you're Daniel LuBois, whether you're Moses,

Atalma over the years. I don't really want to put Fury and AJ in this bracket, right now because you guys, both of you are pissing me off and everyone off. But British heavyweight boxing right now is carrying the heavyweight division. Without them, there is no heavyweight. European heavyweights is like, that's all of them, basically. We don't have any American stars anymore.

But also, I'm going to tack on to that. British fans. British fans are so awesome. You guys come out. We love you. It's so great the way you treat your fighters, the way that you show up, the way that you are consistently well read on the sport as well. They're some of the best smartest fans.

So I'm thankful for British fans. Yeah, and they will show out to this AJ Fury fight. That's the funny part. They travel. They show up and they buy tickets. Yeah, they are the greatest fans. And I always said Mexicans and British fans are the lifeblood of the sport. That's no knock to Irish fans or anyone out there.

But without them, like, they are the life. Yes. They are the pulse of the sport keeping things alive. But the AJ Fury fans, the British fans, will show up at Cardiff, will travel, we'll be there at two in the morning, wasted out of their minds, drinking pints, having a great time. I got the run around with this fight potentially being in New York. They would have came to New York, too. It's amazing. Oh, yeah, they would have.

They would have. I'm grateful for the fight on TNT. I really enjoy those cards. I really enjoy the big fight feel of it. I like the production value. It feels like boxing is put on the main stage. literally they have a nice set. He got Crawford coming into his own as a media guide.

They got our guy Adam Lefko as the perfect host. You know, no ego on him putting out questions. And it felt like inside the NBA, but for boxing. Like, I don't like some of the fights that are being made now for the next couple of months. We're staying positive and we're being grateful. The TNT partnership with the zone has been a great thing and a great idea. Want to see that keep going forward. Want to see better fights for it.

though, but I love the TNT, uh, DeZone partnership. I'll add to just how much boxing we have available in the last couple years. Like we got accessible. We have so much everywhere. You know, you've got Paramount, you've got TNT, you've got ProBox TV, you've got, you know, ESPN left us, but we've, we've, we still have some great five. We lost HBO. We lost Showtime.

And we, it was, it was tough for a while there. But I think we're getting, you know, DeZone also, just on all those partnerships together. So it is very accessible now, which it should be. It needs to be. It needs to be. psychologically everything should be accessible. Everything is accessible.

And boxing, though, tends to be kind of old school and kind of like in the dark ages when it comes to technology, but I think it's catching up and revving up. And there's just a lot of boxing on available now. So, and that's a good thing for making new fans. Yeah, you're able to watch like first fight of the night. Like, back in the day, you did. I was, I was dark for so long in my career, man. Dark is when you're not on.

Do you like being dark? Would you rather be dark and like, you know, you're working on things and maybe not your best performance? or would you want the eyeballs on you right off the bat, you know, second or third fight of your career? I wanted eyeballs on me. I was good. I was always good.

I mean, I had some tough fights, but like, my fights were, I was entertaining too. My fights were, my fights were good even early on. They were fun. I wish I got a lot more TV. That's totally different now because I was talking to my dad and he had the contract with HBO for 30 years with CompuBox and the only showed two fights on the broadcast.

Two fights. That's it. That's how precious that real estate was to get on HBO. It was the co-main event. It was the main event. A few times they would add a third fight. Paperviews were usually three or four. But an HBO fight, 10 p.m., either was boxing after dark or whether it was a main championship boxing card, was two fights.

No prelims. No first fight of the night, just two. And it made it feel bigger. And it made it feel like, wow, you get on HBO, which you have, you know, props to you. you get on HBO, you're a big time. But also, you're not seeing a lot of body. You're not getting, fans want to see everything. They want to see the hot prospect.

They want to see a guy who is coming back, or they want to see a fighter that was once a champ or once a contender who's working his way back and now he's on a prelim. They want to see it all. So I don't know exactly know what's best. I'm going to lean more towards more. Like, I want to see more is better.

It does kind of dilute things a little bit, but we're living in a whole different era. I know where you're coming from, for sure, because I was one of the guys who showed up to watch those fights. So when there were fights of the... You had to get there. That's the only way you saw. There were fights in the garden, and I would go. And I would go up my brother, and I would watch the very first fight of the night.

And at home, I would have my dad pressing record on the VHS. And then I'd go home and I'd watch the main event. Like you said, it was the last two fights. but yeah no I watched the whole cards and there was a time where I was like I was elitist I was like man if you got on TV you're good now we're seeing these bum fights or we're seeing like

walkovers or we're seeing these young guys just blasting out cab drivers I think there's a place for it now because there is so much content available you can watch it on Facebook you can watch it on YouTube and it you know progresses through the car so if you really are a diehard and you want to see those guys on the undercard and see them grow up to what eventually be

the future stars of our sport you have accessibility to that but it's not like you're locked in and have to watch them. If you don't want to, you don't have to. But they're available. I do like that part. The final thing I'm grateful for in boxing. Barry's Prime Steakhouse.

Yes. Yes. That was. Because I only go there during fight weeks, and when I go, it's literally the most fun time in my life. That place does rule. And I miss it. It's been a long time. Big shout out to Barry's Prime.

I got asked, I've been asked a few times about like, oh, what's the best, you know, steakhouse? Like, Chris, you love steak. when you're in Vegas, where do you go? I'm like, Barry's Prime's number one, baby. And then I always say, well, that's kind of our secret spot, but, um, Bvettes. You could say it. I was just going to say.

That's fantastic. Really, really, really good, too. Bvettes inside the park MGM. It's a nice little, it's in the cut. You got to know where it is to know where it is. It's sick, dude. And the food is great. Food is great.

Dude, you feel you're stepping into like a 1950s steakhouse. Like the park MGM gets a very bad rap. Yeah, why is that? I love it there. It's not the most. prestigious, it's not glitz and glam. You know, it's not a cool, quote-unquote, cool hotel. No cigarette smoke.

They don't allow cigarettes. Yeah, that's a big one. I don't want it to be the cool one. This is where we usually stay when we're in Vegas. I don't want to come back to my, it's like coming back home. I'm going to come back to a quiet neighborhood. No cigarette smoke. None of that crap.

They do have a nice little bar and a nice casino in there. But the food, the parking gym between bevettes, they have these little side, these little side restaurants too. Oh, phenomenal. Povets is really good. But Barry's, that little meat den, that meat cave, when you go down that escalator and you know what you're about to endure for the next two to three hours. Because you go, it's at Circa, which is the coolest resort off to Vegas strip.

You got the sports book, the massive sports book. And then there's the escalator down to Barry's. And when you're on that escalator, it's like, okay, you have no service with your phone either. Yeah, which is great. For me is I freak out because I'm putting out content. But step away. You literally step away and you step into a meat dungeon. And, man, that place rules.

Yeah, last time we were hanging out, Mikey Chandler just, Mikey Chandler just walks by. Like, hey, Mike, what's up? I saw Tiesto there? Yeah, it's like, everyone goes there. Like, you never know who you're going to see. And it's just like, you're all in the same space, dude. It is what it is. Like, shout out Mario, our friend who runs Barry's friend.

Yeah. place is awesome my guy the bees knees all right um some um people checked in our fans i put it on twitter how many responses did i get for this a lot uh where is it ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba what do you're grateful for 112 responses um grateful for zias in a way pro box tv wardly and benavides gale says oh that was ruth our friend ruth riper she's she's awesome gail says she's uh grateful for Dublin Croke Park three weeks ago, 83,000 for Katie Taylor's farewell fight.

Michael Morseau says he's grateful for Bill Haney. Caleb Truax checked in. It said Emmanuel Navarrete and Oshackie Foster. Yeah. Got a lot of answers there. A real fight. That's a real one. Chris.

That's a real one. It's a fight fans fight. Obviously, you've got a real fighter, a former world champion checking in and saying, you know, I'm happy for that fight. And it's a damn good fight. That's, dude, that's such a good fight. that most people aren't going to even know about or think about,

but guys like you and I and real die-hards are going to be super psyched for. Caterall's Philly Shell, big-time listener of our show, female, by the way, grateful for inside boxing with your backwards hat in Algerie's pornstash. Nice. Mamba promotions, grateful for money. Chan said he's grateful for Najee, Zatel, you in Algeri, Tim Bradley, art of war, some really good YouTubers out there. now. I 100% agree with that. We got a lot of Japanese boxing. Shout out to our guy, Naji,

over at Cigar Talk. It's a good show. Yeah, did you see he was in Puerto Rico for that Carta car? The Salida car, yeah. Salida is now partnered with Wynn records and now Mayweather has a partnership with Wynn records. And he said his fight in Greece, the exhibition fight, is going to be only on win records. Awesome. That's great. Yeah, I did a couple of those win shows with Naji for the Salita promotions. And they run a tight ship. They actually put together pretty decent cards, actually very decent cards,

like good, good fights. Like, they got their guys coming up, but their guys are coming up tough. They're not, like, in gamey fights. It's top to bottom, the cards are good. Yeah, I would sound grateful for that, too. It's because it's like, you know, grassroots boxing,

club shows are kind of going by the wayside. They're kind of just not economically possible. These days, Broadway boxing with Ludabella. Yeah. You ever fight on that? Yeah, I did. Fort Henry White Jr. on that.

Bro, that's how I got my story. The Westbury Space. The Westbury in the round. Oh, my God, the space at Westbury? I've called fights there for MMA. But like Broadway boxing here in New York City at, usually it was at BB Kings for years, Hammerstein Ballroom. And it matched up prospects, you know, guys that were just upcoming.

But future champs, like there's like 10 plus. Paulie fought on it, Andre Beardo, Andy Lee. I'm forgetting so many. Edgar Belonga. I'm forgetting a ton of every New York fighter that was worth something fought on Broadway boxing. That's really how I got my start. You know, Lou DeBelle was a very close friend of the family

and I was like, hey, Lou, like I really want to get into calling fights. So he said, all right, come to Broadway boxing. I did a few that weren't even on camera. Like the mic wasn't even plugged in. So you got to get your reps in. I was atrocious. It was so hard. And like the hardest thing was like the producer was counting down.

in my ear. Oh, dude. Like, okay, we're throwing to a commercial 10, 9, and you're at mid-sentence, and he's like, eight, seven, six. And by six, you're almost like done with her train of thought, but you have to like, then stretch it out. You, and I just- People don't understand how difficult it is to have a stream of consciousness while someone's talking in your ear and giving you instructions that you need to hear while also saying something coherent. I remember when I first started out, I was, I did a lot of my stuff with, uh, with top rank and Marty Corwin was my producer and my ear. Marty.

Marty is the best, recently retired, great guy. Has a great book that, that, Aramon King, really,

really good book. And Marty's a great guy. But he was in, he would told me, he was like, you know, kind of warming me up, let him,

you know, getting my feet wet, getting into, into calling fights. And he goes, whatever you do, don't stop talking. He's like,

if I'm in your ear, if I'm yelling, shut the fuck up. He goes, finish your train of thought. Never stop talking. You said it just like that. I was like, okay.

That was my entry into big time commentary. If I'm telling you to shut the fuck up, make sure you finish your train of thought. I was like, I got it. Oh, it's so hard. You got to really stretch it out. That's why I've always said, like, you can't score a fight. And call it. No, people do not understand that.

They love to come down on us. There's so much traffic. They love coming down on us about scorecards when you're doing it live. I hate doing it. I try to refuse any time I can. Um, because you, people, you don't understand, you are communicating with your, your partners, with the other people behind the mic that you don't see. We're literally writing notes to each other. We're making eye contact.

We're basically doing sign language. I might have to learn sign language. I'll tap a leg. Yeah, absolutely. A lot of things. And then, you know, you're trying to, you're trying to see what's going on with stuff on the side. It's just, it's impossible to, you need someone who's dedicated to being an unofficial score if they're going to score. otherwise.

Harold Letterman. Yes. It was, it's a position. That was his only job. He did not have the, I know this for a fact. I grew up with HBO boxing, being able to sit next to my dad with that whole crew. It was the coolest experience as a kid.

Harold Letterman, that whole unofficial score was made for him. An HBO producer of Ross Greenberg, who was the guy that okayed and greenlit copy box in 1985. He's an interview. Brilliant. He's the same. Ross Greenberg. is the same,

yeah, Russ Greenberg, the same guy that put overhead camera who put um, wow, microphones in corners.

This guy. Innovate. He always, like, thinking about how can we move this broadcast forward. So when he, he literally came up with the

unofficial score and they, they found Harold Letterman, obviously, who was a judge, also a pharmacist in his nine to five. Yeah, I knew that,

yeah, about Harold. He was a pharmacist on Long Island. Um, but Harold didn't have the truck in his ear. He had Jim and Max

and Manuel, Stewart and all the others, Larry, but he didn't have the truck. He didn't have the riffraff of that. So he was literally just locked in. They go to him every four rounds. Jim. And he'd give his distinct 15-second sound bite onto the next. And for the most part, he was right on the money.

He was always good. But networks now are not going to hire just a scorecard guy. They're going to make Mannix do it. They're going to make you do it. I did it for MVP when I was calling fights because it's just an extra expense and it's an extra rate that they have to pay. Yeah, it's true. I got asked to do it my last show at ProBox,

and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm like, all right. And then you've got a producer, I got to tell the score to. That's another thing. So, like, during the call, I got to. Oh, I was, you texting? I got to, no, I was just, I was just showing my paper. But I have been, I had the text it. I did that for, for Matchroom when I was calling fights with Todd.

They had me do the online score, and I had to, like, text it every, after every round, which is very, for a while I had a, or Steve Farhood when I was, when we did Showtime fights because I would just, just, just, I just, that's, cool experiences, getting to sit next to Steve Farhood, who was legitimately the nicest human. Steve's awesome ever. He's another one. Unofficial score for years for showtime. They had a really cool setup.

They had our stats on one screen, then they had a touchscreen 10-9 thing where he just put every, he touched every round. He put it in, and it went right to the automated graphic. But I've been in text chains with the graphic people, 10-9, you know, Wanda Walton, 10-9. this. Yeah, that's what this take away. I don't know where we were going with this, but that's a little inside boxing. We were talking about Broadway boxing and those smaller shows, the lifeblood of the guys coming up.

We missed one, the Rock and Fight Series on Long Island. Joe DiGuardia Star Boxing, where I came on. I mean, listen, Joe Smith Jr. is a world champion that came up on there. I'm a world champion that came up on there. And we have at least two world champions that came up on the Rock and Fight series in Huntington, Long Island. and that pretty much dominated Long Island boxing once that came on. Dude, in their heyday, I was fighting three, four times a year there.

Like, selling out every time. Like, I thought they're 11 times. They call it the house that Chris Ljury built, the Paramount Theater in Huntington because of those fights. I've been there. It's a sick theater, man. It's amazing. I mean, it's a music comedy venue. And a couple times a year, they do boxing fights.

And I think now they're down doing it. It did MMA. My brother did MMA. Yeah, yeah. They started that later on. I was the very first main event there. It was the very first fight there. Very first main event.

But first card was that I fought a really tough Mongolian. I think that was my first 10-rounder. Yeah. Those were really fun nights. Huntington is just a great town. It pedemizes Long Island. Yeah, I want to stay positive, right? I'm trying to say this great full train,

but I'm starting to think about how the new Ali Revival Act pretty much puts club shows out of business. Because they can't afford it. They can't afford it. Well, they're going out of business without the Revival Act coming in and changing. Like, you have to have a performance center. You have to have all sorts of crazy insurance and all that. But that was really starting to happen the last five or ten years anyway.

Like, Tabella doesn't put shows on anymore in New York because they're so inexpensive. Like, you're talking like over $200,000 in insurance alone. Then you have to get the venues. Yeah, that happened after the Magameth fight with Mike Perez. I was at that fight. where Magumev, you know, critically injured. Biggest payout in history of New York sports. Critically injured.

Critically injured in the fight. Passes out in the back in the dressing room and is allowed to leave on his own in a cab instead of going into an ambulance. Really, really, really botched job. And yeah, they sued the commission for a ton of money, and that caused the... 23 million. Yeah. The ripples from that killed local boxing in New York.

And just besides that, that was horrible, and that definitely was a contributing fact. It's just really, really expensive to put on club shows. It's very, very expensive. That's why I admire the MVPs of the world. I'm not just saying this because I work with MVP. Like, they were essentially putting on glorified club shows, but some of these prospect shows, they're losing money on every event. It's a loss leader.

That's something that people don't understand. A club show is losing money. It is just so the promoter can satisfy the contractual obligations for the fights that they have that year. it's to get them wins, it's to build up their record. So eventually they can make that money back when they make it to that bigger stage. You got to get ticket sellers.

You got to get local. It's a lot of local flavor usually on the cards, which are usually not the best fighters in the world, but they bring people in and they sell tickets. I did a show with Lou in New York. Yeah, I remember interviewing you. I have a promoter's license, or I did have a promoter's license in New York.

You know, I've wanted to get to do some down here, but amateurs, maybe a couple pros, but things are changing so fast, I don't know. But promoting is cool, but it's a headache, man. You've got to get the local flavor. You've got to get the ticket sales. And they're just trying, they're basically just trying to, like, not lose their shirt. Not lose too much.

Not lose your shirt. But, like, they're money losers. Oh, for sure. Yeah, so I am grateful for club shows. They're awesome for the boxers, for the community, for up-and-coming broadcasters who had no idea what they're doing in life and want some direction, aka me 10 years ago

when I called some fights at Foxwoods for Broadway boxing. I brought up Wana Walton. Did you see? He lost to my guy. He lost to my guy. Henry Suhudo. We said, because Juana was your guy

and you asked me, I was like, well, Henry's my guy, so I'm going on Henry, so Henry gets the win. Oh, man, it was a good fight. It was only four rounds. I think they had to make it four because of the late notice.

I would like for it to have been six. Wana only has a couple fights, right? No, yeah, he's only fought in four-rounders. Yeah, I mean, and So Hutto is his first boxing match. So, yeah, so it should be a four-round. First, I get it. I get it. I wanted more.

It was at 147, too, and I might make any excuses from my guy, Wohanna. But he's a lightweight. He's 135. He doesn't fight at 147. Won the first round, Walden, and was jabbing and was sticking. He was a taller and longer guy, jabbing, looking good in those first round. And then he just falls into this thing where he just likes the bang. He gets excited.

you know, he's in movies. This guy gets excited. He wants to put on a show. He starts coming out of the game plan, so throwing wild combinations. And Suhudo's timing was impeccable. For someone that's never boxed, we were, obviously he has a massive background in combat sports.

He had this guy's timing down by like midway through the first round and was just counter... He's a world-class fighter, man. He was a former UFC champion. Sohudo was a monster. Was super, super good. High-level amateur wrestler. Obviously, high-level professional

MMA expert essentially. But also, this is why me and Henry of Friends, he's a big boxing fan. He's a huge boxing fan. He studies the game. He's extremely, extremely smart. He understands fight sports. He understands competition. You know, he's an older guy.

And, you know, 39. He's 39. And, you know, even, dude, he's not 47-pounder either. I know, like, he probably looked bigger, but, like, I don't know how much that would really made a difference. I don't know how much time he had to train for this fight because he was supposed to fight.

No, he trained. He trained hard. I was actually watched the broadcast. He was five weeks at elevation. Okay. High elevation. But he didn't stop

because there wasn't much of a break in the late replacement. Like Juana took the fight short notice, props to him for doing that. He'll be back. He'll be fine. He didn't embarrass himself.

He was gracious and defeat. I think even afterwards, he's like, I didn't do enough. Yeah. You know, shout out to everyone. He was, kids the best. He's only 20 years old.

wise beyond his years. So who knows? That was impressive. Funny you say that. He, you know, he's always, he loves boxing. They had Kamaro Usman up on the stage. They had Masvedal. They had some other UFC guys, and all of them were saying the same thing. It's like, I wanted to be a boxer when I was a kid. I love boxing because that's what you grew up watching. I used to do my strength condition with Usman down here. We had the same strength coach, Dr. Corey Peacock, and I used to do my bunch of workouts. It was me, him, and Rampage was strength conditioning program we would do together. I mean, all different sizes, all different abilities,

but we'd run through, yeah, great, great guy. I'm sorry, not rampage, Rumble, Rumble, Anthony Johnson. I said, not, not Rampage, Rumble. So it was me Rumble and Usman. Even cooler. Even cooler. Dude, another one, really, really big boxing fan. Rest and peace, Rumble, awesome, awesome guy.

super chill. Like, do you see the way he fights? He's an absolute monster, but he was like the chillest dude. God, I forgot he passed away. Yeah. I was son in out of nowhere. I mean, like, I trained him to him a couple months before he left.

He left us. It was crazy. But he was a huge box fan. We'd always talk boxing. Always talk boxing whenever we were working out. All right, everyone. Interesting show. I'm sorry we have to go through this fury, Joshua nonsense.

But it's a story. I want to bring you up to. speed, give you our thoughts. I want to always be positive on the show. Chris, you're a motivational speaker, right? You'll be heading down to Orlando. Oh, yes. A friend of the show, Sean Sweener, he's the head coach over at Nigolando Magic.

Big, big box fan, listens to our show. Hits me up about just like just random boxing stuff, conditioning stuff. And, you know, we were talking a few weeks ago. And he's like, ah, man, it'd be great, you know, that have the guy. I was like, I'll come down. I'll come talk to the guys if you want. He's like, yeah, let's, let's do it. So I'm going to go and talk to the team later in this.

week and get some good content some pictures be good i'm trying to get them to come out to a pro box tv fight get the get the team over in alando to come and see a live fight because a lot of people haven't seen live boxing even even like big fans of the sport they're i've never really been to a been to a fight so yeah it'd be cool if i can get the get those guys to come out uh it's going to depend on their schedule of course have you ever done something like this uh yeah yeah i've i've done talks mostly usually more like corporate stuff um no that's not true that's not true stony I used to do it all the time. Talk to so many different teams.

So would you plan something or you kind of just go off the cut? I will have a loose plan with a backup of a strict plan. But for the most part, I'm going to gauge the guys, gauge what, you know, we have in front of us, what the coaches really want to talk about, you know, and just talk about the champion lifestyle, talk about, you know, competing at the highest level, competing under stress is a big part of it. The discipline it takes inside and outside of the ring. But, yeah, I've got a bunch of different ice staff, like, talks with power,

points, you know, for the, uh, the teams over at Stony Brook. That was, that was a big part of what I was doing over there. Even though I was a, I was a nutritionist for them. I was also kind of like a motivational training guy, whatever you want to call it, like expert who could give, give insight to what it's like to get to the highest level. Well, don't give them, don't rile them up too much. Don't get them too motivated because they are in the Eastern Conference with our Knicks. Hey man, I like, I like rising ties, raises all ships. So if we get them better, the Knicks are, are dogs, they step up, they'll get better. We'll just get better games.

Jalen Brunson hosted SNL last night. I saw it, I didn't see it, but I heard that. I haven't watched Saturday Live in years. I grew up watching it, like Chevy Chitt, not Chevy Chase, but like Sandler. Yeah. Those guy was my era, same with you. Chris Rock.

Good God, it's falling off. Yeah, no, I've stopped watching a long time ago. It's really bad. It's horrible. Like, I watched the monologue, because I wanted to see, I just wanted him to not fall on his face at the beginning.

And he was funny at the ban. They brought up the whole starting five Brunson Cat. OG stole the show. They had Josh Hart, the whole team. And then it just went downhill after that. The sketches were not funny. But yeah, man, enjoy that. Talk to the Lenton.

Send a lot of pictures and tell Sweeney, I said, but up, talk to him all the time. Huge boxing fan met up with him in Orlando earlier in the summer too. Cool, cool dude. That's awesome. That's so sick. Like, yeah, but like I said, don't briam up too much. We are, we are our Knicks podcast, guys, by the way.

100% New York Knicks podcast. All right, everyone. We'll see you on Thursday. Have a great week. Keep your hands up all times. Protect ourselves at all times. Stay out of those DMs. We're out.