The Ariel Helwani Show - Kayla Harrison vs. Amanda Nunes: Biggest WMMA fight ever? Plus, Kamaru Usman’s plan, PFL’s puzzling moves, more | The Craic

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

This week on The Craic, Petesy Carroll calls on Ben Fowlkes and Drake Riggs to talk combat sports’ biggest and weirdest headlines.They open the show by debating whether the inevitable Amanda Nunes vs. Kayla Harrison bout could be the biggest women’s MMA fight of all time (4:09).Next, the trio turn their attention to this weekend’s UFC Fight Night main event: Kamaru Usman vs. Joaquin Buckley. Petesy and the boys unpack the key narratives heading into the matchup, including Usman’s bold three-fight plan to achieve double-champ status (26:04).It’s been another weird week for PFL. Not only does it seem they might be fumbling the Paul Hughes vs. Usman Nurmagomedov rematch, but they’ve also strangely been linked to Russell Brand. The guys weigh in on another disappointing spread of headlines for the PFL (43:56).To end on a high note, the chaps look ahead to a stacked weekend of combat sports action. From GLORY 100 to BKFC Ice Wars, there’s plenty for fight fans to enjoy (1:02:48).

Crackheads, it's Friday. It can only mean one thing. It is the crack. We are back and we have a lot to talk about. Bit of madness from PFL this week. We are still sifting through the debris of UFC 316, shout out Stone Cold. And we've got a smorgasbord of wild events this weekend, including Ice Wars. That's right, Ice Wars from BKFC, which Chuck Mendenhall will be attending this week, so he won't be able to join us. But we are looking forward to the fruits that that trip will bear for him. We've got a glory fight. We've got Phil DeFries defending his heavyweight KSW title for the 12th time this week in Poland, of course. We have a huge card in Atlanta, a very interesting one with a live crowd, which we love to see.

And we got to still talk about, as I said, USC 316, Amanda Nunes, Kayla Harrison, the lads did a great job of talking about Murab, his dominance, his legacy and who can possibly dethrone him in the future yesterday. But we'll be having a look at the Kayla Harrison angle, the return of Amanda Nunes, which seems imminent and where it stacks up in terms of the greatest female fights of all time. I am delighted to say we are joined as always by the wonderful Ben folks who has a great story out this week that we'll be talking about at the end of the show. And we also have a Drake Riggs.

Look, can I just, Drake Riggs here. He's in his O'Malley 316 era. He has taken the background away. He has taken the mustache away. He is stripped back. I like to call this unplugged Drake Riggs. He was at the PFL yesterday and my God, we have a lot to talk about with the PFL this week. But lads, welcome to the show.

And Ben, how are you darling from a new area today? I've noticed fantastic. Yeah. I've moved my operations upstairs. It seemed like the, the basement office maybe was having trouble getting the internet reliably. And so I moved things getting the internet reliably. And so I moved things all the way upstairs. I'll warn you, it could get hot up here. So if you see me start sweating, don't think it's because it's, you know, the heat of your

questions, Pizzi. Don't think it's that I can't stand the level of the discourse. It's just that it's an attic, man. And it gets rough up here. But. Double I'm also in the attic. So, I mean, but again, different climates, Montana and Dublin, I feel very, very different climates, especially, you know, I've seen the outdoor walks. You're going on not allowed to outdoor walks happening in Dublin. This week, let me tell you a lot of rain.

We've got a bit of humidity today, but Drake, you were, you were in, um, remind me of where you are, Jesus, where was the PFL yesterday? humidity today, but Drake, you were, you were in, um, remind me of where you are, Jesus, where was the PFL yesterday? My God, my head is in Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville. God damn it. You told me Will Levis was there. Come on, PZ.

Jesus. Colts quarterback, Will Levis. Yeah, of course. That was me. I called him the Colts quarterback. That's my bad. All right. I'm usually an NFL head.

Look at the ball. It's somewhere in the background. That's the reference. My super fandom of the, him the Colts quarterback. That's my bad. All right. I'm usually an NFL head. Look at the ball. It's somewhere in the background. That's the reference. My super fandom of the, of the beautiful American sport. But, um, Drake, pleasure to have you here. Um, you know, the intro went a lot smoother this time, wouldn't you say the first time that the last time you're on got a bit loud to start their shout out in New York, Rick, I know. I mean, that's why we're so fresh.

I had to clean myself up from all of our shit. How was it last time? And then, you know, here and see, I'm learning. I'm learning here in Nashville after the weekend, as we continue to roll on, it's kind of freshen things up. It's a You look fabulous.

A beautiful face. I mean, no facial hair needed for that beautiful, beautiful face. Just a collection of beautiful American faces all around me today, as you can see. Now let's talk about this. As I said earlier, the lads talked about my Rob. We're still unpacking USC 316.

I'm not going to lie. I might have heard Ben and Chad talking about this on the call main event earlier this week. The the wonderful fight between Amanda Nunes, the return, should I say, of Amanda Nunes against Kayla Harrison and how it stacks up as one of the biggest fights in women's MMA history. Tell me, Ben, how do you feel about it? Do you think this is the biggest fight? Dana White said after the, after USC 316, that just the scale of the sport is bigger.

And what Nunes has done is a lot bigger than it was, say, when she fought Cyborg. Do you think this one stacks up with the Cyborg Nunes fight, which was billed at the time was the biggest women's fight. I mean, I guess it depends what we mean by biggest. If we mean like most important, the highest stakes, the most relevant claim that you can make that this one is really to see who is the best, because I think that you can reasonably claim that what you're looking at was Amanda Nunes who has a rare distinction in the sport, where we'll argue about who the goat is of everything in this sport.

We'll argue about who the goat is for each division. We'll argue about who the greatest is in all aspects of MMA, except in this one area when it comes to who's the greatest female fighter of all time, it's Amanda Nunes. And no one even argues that that that's amazing for this community. We will argue anything and no one argues that everyone just kind of says, it's Amanda Nunes, we're bored with the topic because it's so obvious, like there's no argument to be had there.

So to have her come back and fight Kayla Harrison at this point, who you're starting to look at her and go, she looks like she could be, you know, maybe she beats Amanda Nunes, uh, she can claim that she is the greatest of all time. So it's like in terms of like that pure athletic importance, maybe yeah, the biggest, but in terms of how many eyeballs are you going to get, how many people are you going to get to click buy and give you 80 hard earned dollars in order to watch it? I don't know if just where the sport is, if it's possible for these two to

surpass kind of a Ronda Rousey era female fights. And honestly, if you're talking even about the importance of sort of lifting up the women's side of the game, maybe it's not even as big as like Gina Carano and Chris Cyborg in its own way. Like as far as just like broadest popularity, no, I don't think this gets there. But in terms of just like most athletically meaningful, yeah, maybe. Well, are we disrespecting Cyborg and Gina Carano and those who have gone before Drake? Yeah, I think so. Um, you know, as just kind of the self

proclaimed historian I like to be in on the women's side of things, which many people will, will know that I'm very excited for this question. And I could shout out the remix tournament from 2000 finals as the real answer here, but I'm not going to do that. Um, I don't know, man, it's really interesting. Like obviously phenomenal fight, very excited for But I'm not going to do that. I don't know, man. It's really interesting.

Like, obviously, phenomenal fight. Very excited for it. But I really, in all of the metrics, I think the only one you could say that it would be the biggest in could end up being maybe the drawing ability and right, like the eyeballs aspect of it because for me it's still when you look at legacy accomplishments and all of those things I don't really it's going to take a lot to beat Nunes versus Cyborg as the biggest fight of all time and then you know you look back on that one and it didn't even get the love that it deserved by being second fiddle co-main to what was it Jones and Gustafsson too it was on that card but that was a super fight as it gets, especially for the women, you know, champ versus champion. We saw how it played out, of course, and that was a rematch that

unfortunately we're never gonna get. That would be bigger. That would be a bigger fight, I think. Maybe not. I mean, if it was to happen now, the timing would be a little bit off because of how the steam has kind of died down on Sidewalk's career, clearly, at the end of that as well but um I don't know just some of the factors with Harrison and Nunes I think prevent it from being the biggest because we look at when we were first imagining this it was what was at the end of 2021 right before Nunes lost to Pena and then Harrison was becoming a free agent. I,

I'm not sure if that would have been a bigger, better time for it just because of the intrigue of Kayla still being undefeated having yet to fight in the UFC, all these things that get fans excited whether or not that turns out to be a good thing as we saw with people like Hachi mix is the most recent example and maybe the worst example unfortunately for him. But, um, I don't know, man. I don't think it's, it's quite there.

And if it is to be the biggest, however you define it, I think it could be in terms of viewership. But then even with Nuna's coming back, I don't know how much that plays a factor into it as well. Yeah. Is it a classic case of promoter speak here from Dana Boyd? Of course it's the biggest, like, you know, the, you know, the, the classic Well, yeah. Is it a classic case of promoter speak here from Dana Boyd? Of course it's the biggest, like, you know, the, you know, the, the classic

line is like, he asked a promoter, what's the biggest fight, the next one. It's always the next one is always the biggest. And this is one that really is just kind of like fell in the UFC's lap, right? Cause he had Kayla Harrison show up and just sort of tear through the division, made sense to move her on up, uh, has just a completely one-sided bullying against Julianna Pena to take the belt. And you know, you don't really have to do anything. Amanda Nunes has just kind of been sitting around being like, yeah, maybe I'll come back. Didn't have to wine and dine Amanda Nunes the way he tried with Habib.

Didn't have to take Amanda Nunes out to dinner on every five star restaurant, up and down the Vegas strip, you know, all they had to do was just sit and wait. And for Amanda Nunes to decide like, ah, I've been out long enough. I've healed up. I feel better. I feel like I could still do it. And it didn't even seem like she was sitting around being like, if you offer me more money, I'll come back, kind of in the Henry Cejudo mold, just seemed like

she just said, I'm ready to come back. And so the UFC says, all right, sure. Like have to tell security who she is to let her in the cage so we can have that face-off moment. Uh, but that's kind of what I wonder though, in a way, when we're talking about, will it be the biggest in terms of actual viewership is do enough of the current fans fully appreciate who Amanda Nunes is and what this fight really means, because I know she's only been gone a couple of years,

but if you came on sort of watching them may around like the pandemic or something, I could see that maybe some of the Amanda Nunes stuff was lost on you and that you didn't, you don't fully appreciate the magnitude of this fight. I mean, that's what the promoter's job is, is to help tell you to help build that up for you. But I don't know if you just have enough raw star power to build on here the way you did when you had like Ronda Rousey and Holly Holm or something. Yeah.

I feel like they got to rehash this story, right? Like that, you know, there seemed to be some bitterness there. And then obviously they have this embrace on how I really was speaking about this earlier in the week, like this really friendly, Oh, hello. There you are. You know, Oh my God. I haven't seen you in ages. You look great.

Yeah. Well, and to me, do you need this to be like a grudge match? Cause I don't feel like I do. I know that that's sometimes the promoter's first impulse is to be like, you guys trained together, right? Which one of you was a bigger jerk in the gym? You fucking hate each other, don't you? You hate it.

You fucking hate it. That's always sort of the impulse is like, what do we have here that we can build on and I don't think you need it. And I don't think you're going to get it. And so why force it, you know, just go with what it is and what it is, is good enough, you know, Do you think Drake that, um, the reason why we might be jumping the gun here is it like, are you looking at this from the Kayla angle here that maybe Kayla hasn't accomplished what Cyborg had? You know, even though she has obviously an amazing Olympic record, she's

done what she did in the PFL and she's come over here and done this. Is that the side that's maybe not quite up there in terms of what Cyborg and Nunes was? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that, you know, Kayla's resume is all too comparable to Cyborgs. If you look at the time of when they fought and everything. Um, and it's kind of one of those things I always think about too, when we're kind of looking at Kayla in particular, and it's not fair to her, but you know, she wants to be the greatest of all time and make her case and beating Amanda Nunes is a great way to get there but like she's kind of in

that spot where I don't think it's possible because of the landscape right like you look at who Amanda was able to establish herself uh by beating you know the likes of Cyborg which is just one person and then pretty much the entire Bannon Way division. And then the division has kind of just disappeared since then, so I don't know if there are enough people for her to rack up the wins against after a potential Nuna's win to get onto that level. And then, I mean, that's one part of it.

Then we look at how many times she could even do it, which I think we'll talk about kind of that weight aspect too for Kayla Harrison, because obviously it takes a lot out of her and she has been very open about that as she was talking to Ariel this week. Yeah, it's, and also when you do look at the number side of things too, like before Nunez left,

she was not a draw, you know, unfortunately, and it's sad to say that, but that's, that's the truth was one of those cases of being so, so dominant. I think that people maybe just expected the same thing, kind of the DJ situation, right? Where no one's buying these pay-per-views. We know she's just going to go out there and dominate somebody. So then you look at that aspect and like, well, I mean, how many people are really, So then you look at that aspect and like, well, I mean, how many people are really, first of all, going to remember like what Ben was saying, uh, with the pandemic era and everything like that. But yeah, on the Kayla side, I just, I don't think there's anything she can do to get to that point. And it's not her fault. Like she would beat all these people most likely, but they're not around anymore.

You, you referenced a weight situation. Um, obviously 40 voice and talk about, I've heard Ben folks say 50 fives, let's just, who cares at this point? Like, do we need weight? I think it's like, just take off the caps on the way and let's just see what happens. Yeah. Is, do you think that like, as much as I like the sound of this and Ariel was speaking about like immediately after the fight and our post fight show and obviously Kayla said

she wants I'm sure Amanda does too but I just don't think the UFC I just don't think they're gonna go for a bend I'd love to think that they would I'd love to think Dana was like you know what you're right guys it doesn't matter what weight classes is in and let's do a BMF toilet, 170 pounds for the girls. Um, can you imagine that they will go with a different weight class or will they push for one 30 for them? That'd be too much fun. They don't like to have fun. They, they know one way to do things and they're convinced it's the only way to do

things and so I'm sure that they'll do it at one 35 because that way you can still keep putting the belt up and say, oh, women's bantamweight championship up for grabs. They want to be able to put that gold on the poster and promote it that way. So I'm sure that is what they'll do. What I argued for is a come as you are fight. You're both around the same size. We can look at you. We saw you standing there face to face.

It's ridiculous to make you both lose a bunch of weight to hit one mark for about 30 seconds on the day before you fight. Just so you can end up being the same size again, the next day. Hey, we already know we can look at you both and be like, all right, this is a fair fight. Nobody's getting a size or a weight advantage in this fight. Just let them be healthy. Let them eat through training camp and let them go out there. Just don't even worry about the weight class.

Just have them show up. Whatever they're at. Maybe don't even tell us, just be like, Hey, don't like the fights. So like people could show up at the weigh-ins and they could just be like, Oh shoot guys, you just missed it. They, they had to get in a little early. Uh, anyway, it's fine. We'll see you tomorrow night.

I would accept that. I would absolutely accept that because just it's, especially when you saw Kayla Harrison on sketch, she's making it, she's making that weight. Clearly it sucks. It's awful for her. And just why you, you put any fight in jeopardy every time you do that, even though, you know, she's been able to handle that every single time. Each time you do that, there's at least a little bit of chance, something we're going to have to go to the hospital.

Somebody's going to like, that's the way this fight gets ruined is if somebody goes through the weight cut and gets sick, has health problems and for what, it just be stupid. So that's, that was my argument, but no, I don't expect the UFC to be swayed by the inescapable logic of my argument at all. I think this is where they have to really work together, right? Like if they both really push for any weight, right? You said 170, let's go 200 pizza.

Let's have them pack on even more. Let's get crazy. No, no, no. But, uh, if they, you know, really push for that, then I mean, the UFC has to in theory, right? Like if they're not going to fight unless it's at the weight that they both want. So they just do like Caitlin Vieira versus somebody like they just changed. Caitlin Vieira is funny. But that's right.

I'll do it. Like if, if they do like, uh, the buildup is they're using Nirvana come as you are, that's right. I'll do it like if they do like the buildup is they're using Nirvana come as you are, that would be amazing. That would be the only, that'd be a fantastic reason to do it. Have a lot of slow motion montages. I mean, they could make it come as you wear a belt. They could, yeah, I mean, I'm all for it. Here's the thing.

Does it make up? And I think you guys kind of touched on this earlier in terms of the eyeballs and things like that. I think we, but we all agree that this is a, this is a really good fight. Like it's one of the fights of the year if it's made. What Drake does it make up for the fights that we haven't got this year? I mean, it's looking increasingly likely that Aspinal and John's is definitely not happening.

Someone said that in February. Yeah. All right. We got to talk about that. Um, but you know, Ilya and Islam was just never really even considered. I feel like it was just going to like, Nope, that's not happening. Charles Oliver. Here we go.

Does a fight like this make up for that or do we have to be realistic here? Yeah, I think, I think we have to be a little bit realistic. Um, cause when I think about this fight and it just hit me like on fight night, right after Kayla wins and I'm just fantasizing already about the prospect of it for, you know, I didn't really think it would ever be a real thing until we got here now. Um, what, what fascinates me the most about it. And when I think about it is I feel like no matter what, we're not going to get

like a good fight on paper, I think either one of them will dominate because of pretty much the simple fact of how Nunez shows up, right? Having not fought in the time that she has, how much has she been training in this time away? She's getting older. Like, of course you didn't take too much damage to close out her career or anything like that, but you still get to that point eventually where father Time is always

beating you and so if she shows up how we know she is and not affected by this which of course you would maybe assume one of the greatest of all time like herself should definitely be able to do I think that she should probably win pretty comfortably and then if she doesn't though and there's even a semblance of being off then you know, Kayla should probably have her way out muscle Or we've seen you know kind of the question of Amanda's gas tank as her career has gone on That's been one thing that's stuck around and lingered if people are gonna point out Oh, well, maybe if somebody can grind on her and you know, we saw the Giuliana first fight, of course And then you look at the ones you mentioned though pizza, you know Tom and John and then you look at the ones you mentioned though, Pete, see, like, you know, Tom and John,

and then, you know, my goodness, Ilya and Islam, I mean, I don't know how a matchup possibly gets better than that one, right? You're looking at the tip top of like fights that, it's just so sad we're not getting them because of how incredible they are. And I think that just the likelihood of their competitiveness is a lot higher than this one for me,

because I was going to say everyone's been active, but then Mr. Jones over there, the most in that regard, a kind of a similar situation, I guess, to Nunes, but I just think, yeah, in terms of the competitive nature, I see this one being ranked below those two specifically. Benjamin, do you agree? Nothing's going to make up for having these fights that are sitting right there and you can't make them. You don't have another one where you're just like, okay, we made this one that

you guys weren't really thinking about. And it's going to get me to forget that you had two monster fights sitting there at the Ilya and Islam one, uh, John Jones versus Tom Aspinal. sitting there at the Ilya and Islam one, John Jones versus Tom Aspinal. That you're not going to be able to just jingle your keys and distract me and make me forget all that kind of stuff. But I mean, it's, it's, it's a completely separate good fight. Sure. You can go ahead and you do that.

I'll tell you what, I'll make you this offer. UFC, if you can turn around and be like, all right, so we couldn't get John Jones to do shit. We could not convince the man to get off the motorbike in Thailand, come back and defend his heavyweight title. We jerked you around the strung you along on this, uh, for half the year, but we, we couldn't do it if you can turn around and be like, but we did sign Francis and got to, to a one fight deal or whatever, to come back and fight Tom Aspinal.

And then you remind me, Hey, you remember who the lineal heavyweight champion is? Cause it's not John Jones is Francis and Ghana. He walked away with that belt. Guess what? He's back. He's fighting Tom Aspinal. Okay. Then, then I'll be like, you did it.

You made up for not making these other fights. It's also the one thing you could do that would probably force John Jones to, to want to come back. He'd see you, he'd see you out at the party with your new girlfriend and he'd be like, I can't stand this. This is awful. Take me back. Like, that's something you do. This one is just like, I'll be excited to watch it, but there's also a part of me that kind of is sitting here going, Amanda, no, don't do it just because I feel like she probably loses this fight and not

because she's not good or that, you know, she's not the greatest of all time. As we're sitting here, just that you've been gone a little while. And I think we've seen that happen with a lot of fighters where they, when they walk away, they walk away for a reason because they were feeling it their bodies were feeling it You know you're right She didn't take a ton of damage in the cage But all the training all the getting ready for those five round fights over the years that seemed to have kind of added up For her and then you take a couple years off and you start to go wait. I feel good

Yeah, you feel good because you're not getting kicked in the legs a whole bunch of time You're not out here doing that same kind of stuff that was beating you down in the first place, but you're also not in the fight camp and you're going to get in the fight camp and you're going to realize like, Oh wait, I am older. I did retire for a reason and you, you, you're probably going to end up pushing it a little too one time too many. And so I think that Kayla probably should win this fight for that reason alone as a part of me. It's like, man, Amanda did it so well.

She walked away on top. She walked away on her terms. You kind of hate to see her roll the dice again. But then that's fighters for you. It's so rare that we see somebody walk away on top. And then when it does happen, we have a hard time accepting that. Remember, we spent months being like, Habib, there's no way, there's no way Habib is really done. He's really done.

You know, we, we just see it so seldom that we're not prepared for it. When it actually happens. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's, I gotta say that's like Chuck, me, you, Ariel. Well, Ariel doesn't make picks, right? But he kind of suggested heavily that he'd pick Kayla. Will you make it a full house, Drake? Would you pick Kayla in this fight, given that Nunes is time away?

Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think that's that's really the only thing it comes down to for me is, yeah, the layoff and all that. And then, of course, you know how dominant Kayla has been in stylistic matchup. But that's just the big factor is the timing, the age, all that stuff. And then I mean, not even to mention the weight cut taking a toll on Nunez as well, right? Like, you know, the bouncing back and forth and then having not done the weight cut,

if it is at 135 in a year and a half or so, however long it's been since she's retired now. So yeah, just kind of the logic side of things, you know, it's brain versus heart kind of, I guess in a sense in that regard, but yeah, at the moment I think I would lean with Kayla as well. But I want to just maybe think of a question as Ben was saying that though, like, is it the worst thing for the UFC if Nunes wins you guys?

Just because of the fact that this is probably one and done. I would think she's not going to do more. I don't know. I guess it depends how it goes. It's an interesting question because I don't expect Kayla to be around there. Like I think we've all alluded to that. Like, I mean, but do I think that Nunes will hang around either? Like, did I just wipe out the division then? Like it will be,

we'll be hurtling towards a flyweight scenario then. Where to like send an Henry Cejudo in? If you don't win this fight, you're out of here. You know what I mean? Yeah. I also think though, that if you look at what's on the horizon, there's not a ton, you know, there's not a ton that feels like you could do after this fighter. It feels like it's coming after this fight for either fighter.

And I mean, you kind of go, you could look at a man and be like, if she came back, won the belt and then decided just to retire again, that wouldn't be great. You know, the USC does not love that when somebody leaves that belt vacant. But it's also like, what else are you going to do? This is the, like women's bantamweight really needed Kayla Harrison to show up when she did, because we haven't really had much interest or excitement there kind of since Amanda Nunes left. So I think that it's not like you're giving up anything to do this fight.

Like, yeah, you could be in a bad situation either way after it, but it's the only thing to do. There's just not much else that would really get people excited. So you got to go ahead and do this. And that's why the weight doesn't matter either. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Come as you are. I love the Nirvana. Bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow bow And that's why the weight doesn't matter either. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Come as you are.

I love the Nirvana. Fantastic. It's free. I'll tell you what, we'll make a deal with the UFC. If they want to take and use that idea, we won't even be jerks about saying that it was our idea. Just because I was here when you said it, I'm going to pretend it's my idea. Drake is the hardest working member of the team.

He was in Nashville, as I just said, for the PFL, but he's also headed to the ATL for the event. Again, live crowd, people are going to be there to enjoy the fights as they happen and are broadcast around the world, which is a big deal. And we shouldn't take it for granted from the biggest promotion in MMA, which is the UFC, of course, it's Kamaru Usman V Joaquin Buckley, a very, very much changing of the guard scenario at the top of this card. And Drake, before we ask you about your travel arrangements, Usman's been talking. You know, he is optimistic boys. I don't know if you've heard the kind of things that

Kamaru has been saying this week, but As far as he's concerned it is far from over from the Nigerian nightmare he believes that he's gonna sort Joaquin Buckley out then he's gonna beat the winner of Jack della, Maddalena versus Islam Makarhip. And then it's not over yet. And then he is going to Middlewaite to destroy Dricus Du Plessis. And incredible. Why stop there? Why stop there? Yeah, come on. Like as long as we're, we're making these kinds of plans, like, why not then just

like, I will take to the skies and, uh, I will fly over New York City and eradicate wrongdoers with laser beams from my eyes. Like, it's so, as long as you're making these plans, like, why, why stop with just conquering several divisions at a time when everybody kind of thinks that everybody's talking about your time in the past tense already, and you're just like, not only am I not done being a champion, I'm not done dominating several divisions. champion, I'm not done

dominating several divisions. Like, I love the optimism. I wish I had that kind of faith in myself, but this is a, this, a man has announced a plan to lasso the moon and pull it into his backyard. And I don't know how seriously we're supposed to take that. Is it the craziest thing he said since that time? Um, that's the Blachowicz when he wanted to fight at light. It was the Blachowicz. And it was also the really sincere call out of Canelo Alvarez at one point.

Do you remember that it was that an ESPN interview when he went quiet like, and he was going like, you know, there's only one fight the world wants to see right now. And everyone's going, what the fuck? Canelo Alvarez. Like what the fuck is going to say shit? And then you go- You're going to mention somebody else's? Canelo Alvarez. We're like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. I mean, that was that people would just be like, Canelo Alvarez versus you? Or like-

Yeah. It's just, he's kind of been like this for a long time. And I remember a couple of years ago, Ali Abdelaziz was doing a similar thing on his behalf where he's like, here's what Kamaru's going to do. He's going to win this fight. He's going to win this fight. He's going to go up to this division, uh, become a three division world champ and you're just like, all right, man, fine. You know, like as long as we're just like, these are the kinds of, uh, like

stories you tell yourself when you're in the shower or something, right? Where you have, I'm running into a burning building and saving babies. And I'm a hero to the world. Like that's basically what he's doing here. He's just doing it in full public view, which fine. I, I get it in the sense that you got to tell yourself something if you're like, why are you still in this? It can't be, I'm just showing up to get a paycheck.

It can't be, I don't know what else to do because my entire adult life has been this and it's my identity now. What a sad press conference that would be. How are you? I don't know what to do because my entire adult life has been this and it's my identity. Now that would be, how are you? I don't know what to do. I mean, I think in that, in that situation, we're able to be honest with themselves. They would say one of the reasons that they continue to fight, even when it's sort of a diminishing return situation is that they, they would have to face some really hard questions about

what I want to do with the rest of my life who am I if I am NOT this guy the fighter you're gonna have to face those questions eventually that's the thing is like you're you can you could put them off you can delay them but you cannot run from those questions forever you're going to have to deal with it and a lot of them I think get to a stage in their career where the whole thing that they're doing is trying not to have to answer that question yet because they just don't feel ready for it. And I don't know if Camaro is at that point, but it does seem like if he's

talking about like all these divisions he's going to dominate and everybody else is sitting around going, if you win this fight, we'll be surprised. You know, like we'll be a little bit like mildly surprised if you win this one against another guy who is not really in a position of even being like next in line for title contention. Sorry, Drake, we really fucked up that main event for you.

I know you were big on Ousmane. I know you, I know you were hoping to see this three way division challenge. I'm sorry, man. You got me so excited for it. Yeah. I mean, goodness. Uh, I know it's kind of funny, you know, just

going off of the conversation about kind of Nunes and everything. I have a similar feeling like with Ousmane, you know, having taken his time off and then coming back at what, 38 now and, you know, taking on a young rising contender, like, uh, well, maybe not super young, right? Buckley's what, like mid early thirties now, I

guess, but you know, a rising contender who is kind of finally putting everything together. Yeah, I love, I love the aspirations and the goals for sure. Usman's never been a guy shy to have those, but more power to him indeed. First, let's not overlook though, unless that's kind of what he needs maybe is to have these grandiose

plans to get himself motivated out of bed for something like this, because for awhile, it looks like he wasn't even going to come back at all. And it's surprising to me too, in this spot, just to see like, yeah, Ben was saying people aren't even expecting you to get past this one. Like the odds, at least when I was looking at them last night, what he said, like a plus

two 35 ish underdog. Do we know what they are still? I think you're about right. Yeah. I was looking at him last night, what he said, like a plus two 35 ish underdog. Do we know what they are still? I think you're about right. Yeah. I was looking at them earlier. Yeah. I think it's around there anyway. Um, but, uh, yeah.

So like that doesn't help his case. People already doubting you at this, this first step here, man, you know, baby steps, we'll try to get there. You wonder kind of like, what's, what's the state of his body these days? Because, you know, he was dealing with some, a lot of like injury stuff, where it's just like his knees seemed to be bad. Yeah. Stairs situation.

Like, I mean, that's scarred into my memory and he was the champion then. Like he was a champion. And when he was leaving the Octagon with the belt around his waist, he had to walk backwards because his knees were so fucked. You know, like that's worrying. That is worrying. And you know, that's a lot of stuff that it's not like it's getting better with age and the grind of training camps and things like that.

So you just kind of wonder like how you're squaring these grand ambitions with what it feels like to wake up in the morning these days. Uh, that's, that's probably a question only he can answer, but I, it's, that's one of the things where you're looking at a matchup with, uh, Joaquin Buckley. And you're kind of going like already stylistically, he seems like a tough fight for you at any time. He seems like a really tough fight for you right now, you know, and especially we look around what we've been seeing, especially

at welterweight has been a lot of guard changing, a lot of turning the page on the guys from one era and onto the next one. And it seems like when the UFC booked this fight, they're, they might as well have been like, all right, here's the next page we're ready to turn. Because it has all those pieces just sort of like waiting right there. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it's a perfect matchup for Joaquin Buckley really in terms of what he can gain from this, isn't it Drake? Like Ousmane is the guy you're talking about Ben, when you're talking about where the division was at and how kind of it was the same guys, right? It was Ousmane as the champion. Is he going to fight Colby this time or will it be Jorge? You know, Leon's hanging around in the background where like, when is he going to get in, he gets in, he's been flipped out now, uh, Bilal he's gone now.

JDM was one of those guys. He would have been, JDM in my opinion was at the back of the, the, the new breed of contenders, he obviously got that opportunity, um, when Shavkat couldn't fight Bilal in Montreal, but he's the champ now. You feel like Joaquin is getting served up a guy beyond his time in Ousmane, which we talked about just there. And this is a massive opportunity for him. Like he is right in that mix.

He has every right to be screaming for a title shot after a win over Kamara Ousmane. Whether he gets it or not, I don't know, but it certainly puts him in the conversation, doesn't it Drake? Yeah, no, absolutely. It's still, it's still stunning to me to see kind of the run that he has been on and mostly like the length of it, because I really, I don't know how many people saw this coming for him to kind of evolve into this fighter that he has become, but it's one of those weird things, right? Where you said we're kind of cycling out the old with the new in a sense of it here and all these guys coming in the new wave of welterweight. Which has been awesome to see. But I've seen this with Buckley

more than anything where people are kind of criticizing his streak because he's getting some of these guys maybe over others, right? Like, you know, the Wonder Boy, then the Colby, then the Usman. And so everyone's being like, oh, he's beating all these washed up guys. Now it's like, well, I mean, I don't know how fair that is necessarily, especially when you look at how he's beating them.

It's not one of those cases of scraping by. Like if that was the situation, maybe there'd be a better case for that. But you know, that's just, I guess, the MMA world for you. But yeah, no, it's, it's very, very impressive. And I think that he should definitely be right there. But with all the guys that are in this mix, it is going to be tough for him.

So I think depending on how he wins, that is also a big deal. A finish would be go a very long way for him, but it's fun, man. I love the welterweight division right now. And it's, it's kind of crazy to imagine that we are getting this fight in general. And it's, I think about, you know, Buckley being, you know, flabbergasted himself that he's getting into fighting, you know, standing across from Usman.

So it's, it's a very interesting time, uh, in the division. I'll spare myself the tongue lashing I received the last time that I suggested that Brady was a head of shaft cut in the welterweight title stakes. Thank you, Ben. Um, but, I got a dressing down on my own show. It was, it was absolutely lethal. But, um, obviously Shavkat's right there. He, if he can fight, he is the guy.

But where, where would this put Buckley? Like, sorry, Ben, do you think we're at the stage here? We're like, where we're going to have to start matching these kind of up and coming guys against each other. Like it's going to have to be Buckley like sorry Ben do you think we're at the stage here like where we're going to have to start matching these kind of up and coming guys against each other like it's going to have to be Buckley v Gary it's going to have to be Brady v Buckley or Brady v Gary at this stage yeah at some point you get there where a you run out of old guys for the young guys to beat up and that and you also you can't keep recycling the same old guys because that trick just doesn't keep working. You know, to take a former champion or a former top guy, have somebody younger beat him and have that shine kind of translate to the new guy.

Once one guy knocks that shine off the name, it doesn't come back. So I think you're going to run into a situation where just like, you can't get championship fights on the books fast enough. You got some of these top contenders already. You see what's happened to Shavkat where you're out just a little while and for very legitimate reasons and look how people forget about you. I mean, who would forget it? I forgot. I forgot.

I definitely know. I mean, it happens like where you, you got the sense that he knew this is the risk, right? When he, because he made that statement when they offered, uh, you know, the fight instead where they were just like, all right, well, we wanted to do, you know, belol and, and, uh, shop cop, uh, shop cuts her. And so he got on there and read it and he was like, Hey, I just want everybody to know I was offered the title flight first. Couldn't take it. We'll take it as soon as I'm healthy and I'm back, I just want everybody to know. I was offered the title flight first, couldn't take it.

We'll take it as soon as I'm healthy and I'm back. Like he wanted everybody to know they're going to plan B. I was plan A and I will still be plan A when I come back, but the longer you're out and we've got short memories in this sport, especially where there's a fight almost every weekend, almost every weekend we see like the reordering of at least one or two divisions. And so you get two or three months down the road and we don't even remember what we saw, you know, it's like, if you, if your last big win, if the wind that

cemented your place atop the division was six months ago, that feels like five years. You know, so I think that you're going to get into a situation where some of those guys need to keep fighting just to hold on because you're not going to be able to do the thing. A lot of people do where they get to where they feel like they are either a top contender or close to it. And they're like, I'm not taking any fight. That's not for the title. Well, that that's a good way to sit around and not fight and not get paid and

then get slowly forgotten in the minds of fans. You don't want to do that. So I think you're going to have to have some of these contenders fight each other. Drake, imagine, right? Like, uh, whataquin gets through this. Uh, sorry for putting you out there. Imagine he gets through, he beats his man. Who would you rather be Sean Brady, Ian Gary, or Joaquin Buckley in terms

of your title aspirations? Brady, Ian Gary. And what was the last one? Joaquin, if he beats, uh, okay. Oh man. He beats. Um, yeah, well, what I was going to Joaquin, okay. Oh man. Yeah. Well, what I was going to say there was, yeah, like, I mean, Ben kind of

just described Ian Gary, right? He's a guy who has been more relevant in our minds just because of his activity level, despite having lost a Shavkat than Shavkat is, right? So, um, ah, that is, that is an insanely tough question, Pizzi. I don't know. Um. It is tough though, right? Like it is.

It's a very, like, I feel like you can make an argument for any one of them. That's why I'm intrigued to know. Like, I mean, is there any kind of spitting hairs here? Um, is, is Brady's win over Leon more relevant? Cause Leon was the last, like the last, you know, he's held the title more recently than Kamara Usman. It's just, you know, you're thinking of all kinds of excuses like to, to push yourself forward. If you're any of these guys, right. Yeah.

I, I don't know, for some reason, I just feel like when we look at kind of the business machine, right? I feel like Brady is at a disadvantage because personality wise, you'd probably say he's behind those two, especially Ian Gary, you know, and, and then Buckley has been more out there in recent years too, say he's behind those two, especially Ian Gary, you know, and, and then Buckley has been more out there in recent years too, since

he's gone on this streak. But like, UFC likes people that talk and Sean Brady will if you know, initiated or feels disrespected like he did against Leon. And even that wasn't crazy, right? Like, he's kind of it channeled his inner Philadelphia native in that sense. And you know, was just saying just saying the things that he said, which was nothing extreme or to the lengths that let's say a Buckley or Gary would go. So for some reason, I just feel like that puts him at a disadvantage.

And again, with these guys fighting more recently, both Gary and Buckley, it just might stick in the minds of Dana Moore and, you know, the UFC overall. That is a crazy question though. It's almost like throwing a, throwing a dart. I think, I think if Buckley wins, I think I might have to say him right now. What do you think, Ben? I mean, you know how these things often go, which is the question we're asking

ourselves is where on the calendar do we want some of this stuff to fall, right? Like that's what it often comes down to is the, the UOC will have a date in mind, a place in mind that would be like, we need something for this card. It will be a welterweight title fight. Who's up for it? Who picks up the phone and says, yes, when we make this offer, because you know how it goes, you call somebody up and they'd be like, all right, we want to fight for the title on this date.

And if you suggest another date, they just go to the next number on the list. And so I, I mean, that is the nice thing about having a division get suddenly really interesting with a lot of potential contenders. Cause it's like, you know, the, the Bilal Muhammad and Jack Delamont in a fight was not anything that people had as, well, clearly this one's going to be next. You know, it was, that was a backup plan and it turned out great. Turned out to be a really fun, entertaining fight.

You got a new champion out of it. And it also allows you to kind of turn around and be like, we could choose any of these like top four or five guys, throw them in there with a champion and we got ourselves a fight. So it doesn't necessarily have to be any one guy. Yeah. Look, I love all the fighters. Yeah.

They're all, they're all quality, like really, really great fighters. Um, I liked that Brady and Gary were like, let's fight, you know, those guys are like, let's look and sort it out then, you know what I mean? Let's do it. I think that's and Gary were like, let's fight. You know, those guys are like, let's look and sort it out then. You know what I mean? Let's do it. I think that's a great thing. I would love to see say Shavkat is out of the picture still with his knee. And he got like, I can't stop thinking about Shavkat fighting Gary on the knee injury and kind of wondering, like, what if he chose that fight

to actually sit out and get the surgery? You know, like what if he was like, I'm going to get the surgery on this one. Then I'll be back in contention. There's so many ifs, buts and maybes. Ian gave a great account of himself. There's not that night. There's no doubt about it, but really, really interesting situation. I would love to see the point I was trying to make there is if

Shavkat's out of the situation, one of those three guys gets a title shot. Match the other two guys up on the undercard, which won't happen because that would be an amazing event, which we'd all enjoy. We're not getting many of them anymore. Let's be honest. It's going to be interesting. I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out. And it's definitely not a one fight card. There's plenty of exciting fights on the cards. Rose Nama, Eunice, Miranda Maverick in the call main event, Edmund Shabazzian, who was enjoying a bit of a resurgence against Andrej Petrovsky, Cody Garbrandt. He has a knife on his face across his eye now.

He's fighting Hione Barsoles and Mansour Abdul Malik. 8-0 prospect takes on Cody Brundage on that main card. Alonso Menafel and Umar See, the big prospect from France as well. Paul Craig and Herpes-less, Houdalpho Bellato are also on that card that has been remade. Michael Chiesa and Court McGee, my boy Malcolm Wellmaker, who saw it coming? This guy, that's who saw it coming. He's been served up a nice one against Chris Mutino.

A good card. You're going to enjoy yourself at that one. But you know what, Drake? I have a lot of questions about the fucking PFL. Okay. I've got me some fucking questions. Don't we all? Um, right. Let's, uh, right.

Can we get the tweet up on the chat? I think they have a lot of questions. Yeah. What the fuck is going on? Right. So you got to, let me just put you where I'm at here. I'm on an event in Belfast in May, um, where everybody's there and the whole talk is this is the fight before Paul Hughes fights Usman

and gets this rematch again. There's a lot of conversations on the week. You better come and see this fight in Belfast because after this Paul Hughes is gonna be fighting for a title and he'll never be in Belfast again. So you need to come and buy this ticket because he is definitely fighting Usman or Magomedff for the second time beyond this event in Belfast. Buy your tickets, come. 8,000 people came. It was an amazing moment.

I know you guys didn't get to see it. Take my word for it. Quite an amazing moment. That was another Not Against PFL, but we're not going to get into that right now. There was a twist. I believe it was on, I want to say it was on Tuesday. And let me try and scroll down here. I don't know if on air Jordan is putting this up on the screen

as I'm lost in my own tweet situation here. It was on the 9th of June, whenever the hell that was. Oh, it's up. Thank you. Thank you on our Jordan. And as it says here, new showcase matchup, Mansour Bernoui, who is under the microscope in France for a variety of controversial reasons against Archie Colgan, undefeated prospect has been added to the fight card. Next bullet point. The winner of this fight becomes the number one contender for the PFL lightweight world title and will be next in line to face current champion, Ousmane Normaga Madoff.

What the fuck, PFL. All right. Like what the fuck is going on there? I mean, so I'm excited. I got on there. I was, you know, doing my usual shaking fists at the Sky Irishman thing. How dare you? Our ancestors didn't die for this.

Is this what we died for? I was doing that kind of thing. Um, so that happened. And then, uh, obviously the event happened and you know, it was a great event by all accounts, um, uh, Drake is nodding here, he's saying amazing event. Um, and then afterwards the coach comes out to speak to everyone at the post fight press conference. The coach media guy who is now working with the PFL is doing the post fight press conference, a la Dana White, you know, answering the questions.

And I believe we have some footage here that Dana, that my lovely friend, Donna Corby put up, because Donna Corby, similar to myself, is wondering about said fight with Usman or Maga Madoff and Paul Hughes. Do we have that little ditty here, Jordan? I don't think that's been announced yet. I don't think that's been confirmed yet. So we talked a little bit today.

So you might be getting ahead of yourself a little bit. That's OK. That's OK. But as soon as we can, we will. And that's the other thing, man. We're going to listen to the fans. We're gonna listen to the fans We're not here to drag stuff out and say Paul you got to fight two other guys to get back to him That's not what we're all about, but we also have to make the right fights We had to bring the right fighters at the right price

And that's the other thing you guys saw a lot of coming into this year fighters that got brought in that were just Honestly paid too much money. And right now, we're setting a new bar. If that gene continues to win and win and win and win, he's going to make more and more money. That's how it's going to work. And so with a guy like Paul Hughes, we want him back in. That was probably the best fight of the year in January. Wouldn't you agree? Right, definitely. Don't you want to see that again? The old switcheroo? The old switcheroo. Bro, understand this. Look at my Twitter.

Okay. That's all I'm going to say. We have issues right now with Twitter. We'll deal with that. But no, there's nothing been said with that at all. All right. Yeah. Is this as fucking crazy as I think it has been like the coach is up there saying, don't mind the official PFL account. Come over and check out the coach rules. That's where you're getting the real shit.

That is like, uh, yeah, come check out my Twitter. I, you know, that's where I'm going to wait. Was this all a ruse to up your Twitter followers? What are we doing over there? Also, it was kind of wild to just be out here just sort of like, Hey, some people are just getting paid too much money. And so therefore we have to like do a reorganization. Cause it's like, that's always tricky as a promoter when you're, cause you're out here being like, these people are not worth that much money.

They're not worth, like they're not popular enough to be worth that much money. And then, but then you're turning around and telling me that I should care when they fight, like that's a difficult thing to try to turn right around and like make those arguments kind of simultaneously. That's not a great look. And it also just feels like, can you afford to be doing this kind of thing right now, PFL? Don't you have to be making fights that people want to see? Isn't that like, that's a big challenge already.

And so it's like, if you have those, don't, don't talk yourself out of them like this. Don't get into an argument about it. Like just, just do it. You, you, you don't have this kind of luxury the way the UFC does. What are you, Drake, are you at this press conference? And is it, is it as jarring as it was for me this morning when I was watching this, when you're sitting there going like, what is the coach to this promotion now? Is the coach in fact, Dana Boyd of PFL now?

Is he Don Davis? What, what the fu, what is going on here? So I'll give you guys a little bit of insider scoop ski behind the scenes, but. Please do. Please do. Yes. Yes.

That was a question that came up, right? Just in conversations with people and nobody knows what the actual role of Jonathan Coachman is at the PFL. It's like, so what they've decided on or settled on is insider. It's not rather, even though it's, you know, he does the, the broadcasting stuff on screen and you know, what he has the

betting show with Ian Parker. Um, and now he's doing this, but, uh, there's, I don't know if there's actually an official role for him. The, uh, you can say journeyman. I don't know. There's a, no idea, man, but that is a, that is a question that is being asked internally as

well. Oh my god. Insider? I mean, of course. You're fucking standing at the dais speaking for the promotion. Insider is putting it fucking lightly at this stage, no? Well, it seems like an intentionally vague title, right? Because what does that even mean?

Because it could mean a lot of things. You could, it doesn't take that much to be considered an insider, but also it's like, if you're in the executive meetings, then you're also, I guess, technically an insider, is that what they're trying to do here? My problem really with kind of, there's a couple of problems, I guess, with, you know, him doing this, but, um, I think he's a great, you know, great speaker and a great person to be in the spot, but if he has authority, which I don't know about that part, right? Like answering these questions that maybe are not answerable, uh, in terms of him

making decisions just doesn't make a lot of sense. I don't, I don't get the, the idea with this whole experiment. Yeah, like, I mean, I watched the, the, the PFL and they were filling out the broadcast with him interviewing guys and yeah, that's all well and good. Like, I don't mind that. I think it, it adds something. I think, uh, especially in the, the openers this year, we're learning more about the photos than we had previously because he's there. And he's asking these questions and we're getting insight into who they are.

But when you're up there kind of laughing at a media guy's question, like based off an actual PFL post, right. So you're up there kind of laughing at a media guy's question, like based off an actual PFL post, that's when things get a bit fucked up. And my only question now is like, is there any clarity on terms of what's happening with Paul Hughes and who's Amanda Maga made off, or are we just even more confused than we were when they put out this tweet during the week? Yeah, I think it, I think it made it worse, but maybe that's, it's all part of the plan Pizzi because we're talking about it, right?

This is all super, uh, super deep. You got us again, coach. Damn it. Fucking crazy. Yeah. Follow coach rules, right? Yeah. Get over the coach rules to find out when the Usman and, uh, and, uh, Paul

Hughes rematches happening. And unfortunately, that was not the only thing and we will, we'll ask you about the fights. There was also a certain special guest who has a number of charges against his name of sexual assault variety, Russell Brand. And here's Drake's tweet. He alerted the world to this. And this is, you know, as a guy who's living in Ireland and, you know, this is all over the place in the UK. And these subject of a lot of scrutiny, a lot of criticism, a lot of documentaries, a lot of historical conversations about what was happening when he was hosting certain

shows for Channel 4. All this kind of stuff is happening to see him pop up there. And there was also a picture of him and Don Davis in the middle of the cage and kind of in a joyful look that we got here, guys. And this feels, you know, and this is not new in this sport. And this is definitely not new. We've seen all types of esteemed guests of Syria, of the same kind of backdrop, background of recent in UFC events to tape brothers who have several charges

against them as well, or allegations. Certainly. They were also attendees at a UFC event, shaking hands with the powers that be. And this is a worry and trend now, Ben, right? Like this is happening like it's been happening, but this is crazy that that PFL seems to decide to go down this road as well. Yeah. I happening. Like it's been happening, but this is crazy that that PFL seems to decide to go down this road as well. Yeah.

I don't get it. Were they thinking like, Hey, it's working out so well for the UFC. Let us get our own, you know, incredibly damaged personal brand, uh, to come over here and lend us some of that stuff. Cause it's just, okay, this, this is a thing that has occurred to me many times before, but especially it's like when you see the PFL doing it, it feels like intentional, right? It doesn't feel just like, hey, what a coincidence. We found a guy who also is like a popular right-wing influencer

with a bunch of sex assault charges to his name. It feels like you went, you saw like the UFC was doing that and it seems to be going okay with their fans, at least the ones that like are showing up and cheering for it and stuff. So do we need to go get one? Because that's baffling to me, but then I guess that's how like MMA just seems like it has moved where we're just like, Hey, if you, if you're a bad person, we were, we are interested.

Like we got a spot for you at Cage Side. Come on down. You know, we can't get a poet laureate or something in there. Like we couldn't, we can't get somebody who might actually be okay. No, but if you're a bad person, if you've got a bunch of charges hanging over your head, then damn it, we will lay out the, the, the velvet carpet for you and everything. Lead you right to your seat. We're so glad to have you here.

And I don't get it, man. Cause it just seems like, why, like, did you feel like this was the missing piece of the puzzle for PFL? Yeah, it's, it's absolutely. But what's the feeling Drake when you see Russell rock in there? Um, like, I mean, is it the collective media card just's absolutely, what's the feeling, Drake, when you see Russell rock in there. Um, like, I mean, is it the collective media car just going like, what the, what the fuck is happening here? No, yeah, no, that's legitimately what happened was I think I was.

So that video that I took was kind of in a little bit of the entrance where we would come in, you know, backstage, just getting to the arena. And I think that I was coming from, maybe the bleachers or something, I was writing a great story for Uncrowned, of course. And I was coming down from some other angle on the opposite side of the cage. And I see like, Donna, and I think it was Matt Davies,

shout out to him as well. They were both kind of standing in like a position where you could see that they're looking at something, but I'm like what is exactly going on here I don't see anything crazy and if you go over to him like what that's Russell Brand right there. Wait what? Excuse me you kind of do a double-take reaction right and yeah it was it was certainly him and so it was just kind of like you feel like there's a lot of times in MMA where you think you're

in Bizarro World or some parallel universe that doesn't make sense. I mean, this whole scene, just seeing him there in that moment wasn't the weirdest thing. But overall, the whole thing was maybe one of the weirdest things that I have seen in this sport because after that, you know, they go around, do the ceremonial weigh-ins and everything. And yeah, he gets in the cage with Don. But like, that was just a picture. They, there was some filming going on, I think maybe with his people or whatever, but he was taking his shoes off and like, looked like they

were meditating together. It was one of those scenes, right? I was like. What? There were some things happening in the cage that was like, Don Davison, Aldous Snow over there. It was just a. Smoking the Jeffrey. Yeah. I don't know what was going on. put it in the cage that was like Don Davison, Aldous snow over there.

It's just, uh, yeah, I don't know what was going on, but it was, it was a bizarre scene, man. It was super weird. Brandt tweeted I'm in Nashville for the at PFL MMA world tournament fist. Big things ahead, mate. Ben, he put fest in the tweet. Fist.

Okay. Maybe it's a shaky hands. Let me see. Oh, it's the tweet. Fist. Oh, okay. Maybe it's a shaky hands. Let me see. Oh, it's a shaky hands. Sorry. My mistake. Okay. Real journalist.

It's a shaky hand. One of these big things. Big things ahead. I, I don't know, man. For whom? Because I just don't understand where, if you're the crystals, right? What is the thing he was into recently?

He's selling an ambulance at ward away the damaging rays of Wi-Fi. I saw recently only 250 quid. I was telling you, there will be exclusive, exclusive PFL amulets. Man. Do you, do you think there's any still available or they sold out already? It thinks they're still there. I think that's, I mean, see that too is not like totally different than what the UFC is doing.

They sell their own magical amulets, right? Like to, to war dog branders, Ben, come on. See, there was a time when we thought the hot dog brander was like, that was the wildest like merch you could try to sell us at UFC. We didn't even imagine an era where they'd be like, here's, buy this amulet to protect yourself against electromagnetic fields or something. And we didn't know, we didn't know what was potentially coming. But like that really feels like as the UFC is looking around and being like,

we think that the real MMA demographic is idiots. So we would like to try to get the idiot demographic. Uh, and we're, we're actively looking for people who can, who can court that. Cause otherwise I don't know what you're doing. Like look, look for just a different kind of brand ambassador. It does like, if they're actually signing some kind of deal. And that's what the hands emoji stuff is trying to signify. I would say that seems like actively bad and dumb, especially if it's going to cost you any money to do.

I think it just dawned on me. You guys, I think maybe is he gonna, is he gonna fight Jake Paul? Is he the guy wouldn't mind that. Is he going to, is he going to fight Jake Paul? Is he the guy? Wouldn't mind that. I mean, if we're going to make the fights, that's fucking wild, dude. It's a tell us to it. The fights must have been great though.

Drake, obviously that's why you were there. That John with a big split decision win controversial based on what I saw in the message group this morning. I mean, there was some people raising a few eyebrows saying, hmm, 30, 27, what the fuck. Yeah. The 30, 27 seemed like the thing that was maybe the most controversial because I don't have a problem at all with that winning.

I think, uh, yeah. The first two rounds, I mean, the first round he won with the knockdown. Um, it's kind of, I can't really, you know, comfortably give a good assessment of the fight, honestly, because watching of the fight, honestly, because watching from the arena at a PFL event can be a tough thing in the States, Pete, because you haven't seen one in the States, right?

I haven't. I haven't. Okay. So this has been a reoccurring problem and I just have to express it, uh, for all the many PFL events that I've seen going back to what 2021 I think was maybe when I saw one for the first time. And some of these venues, they have the screens right for where the entrances are. And this was the case last night. But it's just sponsors and everything. And

that's the only screen in the arena. So we have no idea what the time is like in the round. no replays, unless, unless you're pulling it up on your laptop, which some of us had to do, but like, there was no angles aside from where you are, which I do not understand why there can't be at least somewhere for some, at least the time, give me the time, man. The time is so important when you're covering

the fights, really, really important. You know, like in terms of determining a close round and stuff, it's really important to have that clock there. I know it's not in Belfast. I think I did, I think I did just pull up my laptop and just kind of go from there. Like, yeah, you have to. Yeah. Um, but yeah, I mean, it was a close competitive fight.

I think that was the rightful winner. Um, I'm not, I'm not mad at the 3027. Like they were close rounds. Um, I think that was just maybe kind of the energy in the arena. But again, I'd have to watch it again on the actual broadcast because from my angles, I didn't have really any issues. But yeah, good performance. A massive win for him obviously.

10-0 now. Roland. I think he's in for a rough night against old Logan Storley though. That matchup, I don't think bodes very well for him at all, just based off of how the Jackson fight went. Can he be a star? I mean, a lot of people are very hard. Absolutely.

Yeah. No, the guy, the guy is just like, it was in charisma and just a, like a genuinely, I think a good dude, you know, at least from the interactions I've had with him, you know, just for the time that he's been the PFL now, a good dude. He's speaks, speaks very well. He You know, he's into the the promotional side of it and you know, he's a fun fighter to boot So I think he there's definitely something there with him. I still think a little bit maybe raw in terms of Assessing how big of a star that he can be

Like, you know, there's levels to it obviously where you have the Dakotas and PFL right now. And I don't think he's quite there yet. And for, for whatever reason, or however, what steps he needs to take to get there, I'm not sure, but, um, he's got that potential. I started playing something on my phone there. I apologize, Drake. That was not my intention. I just fucking pressed off my leg.

All right. It just pressed off my fucking leg. Okay. I'm I'm, Drake. That that was not my intention. I just foreign pizza off my leg. All right. It just pressed off my fucking leg. Okay. I'm I'm an idiot. Um, moving on to this weekend, we talked about USC Atlanta, but there is a smorgasbord, a smorgasbord of delights. Yeah, lads.

I don't know if you know this. I'm kind of jealous of Chuck. I didn't realize you were going to see the ice fights. Ben, you kind of fucking stole your shit. Like Ben is the known hockey fan. Can I just give you, I just want to give you the, the, the paragraph here, the BKFC have on their website here, the most exciting part of hockey without all the hockey, no sticks, no pucks, no goals, just the fights.

Ben, why the fuck? How, how did you let this one slip to your fingers? Yeah. I mean, that is on me. I should have been on top of this one, but I am, if somebody has to go and cover it, who is not me, then I'm glad it's Chuck because I really want to read Chuck's take on this, but I, I, as much as I think that you can, there's a smart way to do this stuff where you're realizing like, Hey, um, the,

the avenues for we're a legitimate fight sport that is trying to be as big and as mainstream or whatever, as a UFC or boxing promoters, that's there's, there's so few opportunities to do that right now. However, if you're going to be a weirdo shit show of a fight promotion, we're we'll hear you out. You know, that's one thing that we have learned is like, that's where the opportunity is. It's if you're doing something that's sort of like MMA adjacent or just like

weird and messy and possibly ridiculous, we will turn up for that just to see what it is and so like some doing something like this is not the worst possible idea for them. some doing something like this is not the worst possible idea for them. I will say as a hockey fan myself and a terrible, extremely low level hockey player, I do not like the way we're juxtaposing it, where we're like, the best part about hockey, which is not hockey. Like, you don't, we won't make you sit through the boringness of a hockey game. You're like, hockey is one of the best live spectator sports there is.

It's super exciting. It's not a whole lot of breaks in the action. It's violent while also requiring skill. Like there's, there's a lot to like about a hockey thing. And so like to set it up where you have to be like, you should be trying to court hockey fans as well as fight fans. That's the nice thing about doing that. That's a good show actually.

Is that like, you can, you get kind of like a Venn diagram of a couple of different trying to court hockey fans as well as fight fans. That's the nice thing about doing that. That's a good show. Actually. Is that like you can, you get kind of like a Venn diagram of a couple of different types of fans and don't, you don't do that if you're like, Hey, do you like the fighting of hockey, but think everything else about it sucks? Cause no, you know, like, no, that's those people have already found their ways into their, their selves into other sports. Like you don't need to do it that way, but it is like, if you're out here, you're trying to get attention, trying to keep the attention.

And maybe you just say like, Hey, um, we have something weird and dumb. Would you like to see it? Because the track record says that at least a portion of fight fans will be like, yeah, we'll give that a try. It's a, just put up that fucking headline again, Jordan, the Eno English one. Put up, I swear it's simple. Let's take the hockey out of four. That's right.

As, as, as Ben has kind of going on this speech, that's just flashed up on the screen. Absolutely amazing. Can I just, can I say one thing, Ben? Um, on air, Jordan, the fantastic on air, Jordan had a suggestion when we were talking about this before we went lower today, he said that they should get some old NHL gooners involved. Like they, they should be the guys fighting.

Like they last known. I mean, come on though, dude, like those guys have been through a lot and they might not be in a great space for continuing to be hitting the head. Like we've seen, we've heard some, some troubling stories and there'll been some troubling arcs already with some of those guys. But I mean, I don't know if you could find some who are up for it, because here's the other part of it is it's like the guys you could find who would be like, yeah, I want to do that.

Or more likely I need the money from doing that. Things probably aren't going great for those guys. So yeah, but what if you get a guy, Zdeno Char, you know, who's not tuning in for that? He's a massive man. But he also is like, I'm a millionaire. What can you offer me that would make it worth my time to come down there and do this and then you'd have to be like, uh, 50 K, you know, like that's, that's not going to reiterate the hockey is shift and we just want people to fight.

You know, maybe it'd be into that. I also think a lot of those guys, I think some of those hockey goons, uh, a lot of them are a little bit sensitive about the fact that they were not actually that good at hockey. And they, a lot of them want to believe that they were not just a goon, that they did have some hockey skills, whether people gave them credit for it or not. So maybe they wouldn't like being roped in that way. The other thing that's kind of tough about it is like the thing that makes hockey fights interesting is not just that their fights, cause a lot of times the fight

quality is not super high, like the technical level of fighting that we're doing it on ice skates, we're grabbing each other's jerseys and gear. And there's a lot in the way of landing clean punches. Like it's tough to fight on skates. It's tough to do anything on skates. And so it's like, you're not getting great fights. The thing that is interesting about the fights is what it means in the context of the games and the teams and the people involved.

Cause it's a lot of times it's like, you'll start a fight to protect a teammate, uh, to, to sort of like enforce some unwritten rules of the game. Like you did this thing and we can't let you get away with it. So we're going to fight you. Or sometimes it's. Shit, man, we're going to fight you or sometimes it's shit, man. We're on our home ice. We're losing five one. We got to give our fans something.

Let's give them a fight. You know, let's see if that like fires up the bench. So let's at least like give them some kind of a show. And when you take all that context out of it, I don't know if it's quite as interesting. You can become a BKFC ice war sponsor. Just learned on the BKFC. Maybe we should look into the crack getting involved. I mean, I'm all about it.

Quick whip around. Will you watch this Drake? At least like one fight on this. I will watch it if it comes to me, go out of my way for it. It will, won't it? Like it'll, it'll find you on social media. It's like somebody is going to make sure that you see it. And that is, that's gotta be the hope, right?

It's gotta be kind of a Gregor, isn't it? He's going to tweet about this a lot. If you force me to click as many as two different things to get there, I'm not doing it, you know, but like, if you can just find a way to shove it under my nose, I'll be like, yeah, okay. I see it. We have, as I said, it's a smorgasbord. We have a glory 100 as well with the great Rico Verhoeven.

Um, Chuck Mendenhall wrote an article about him. Very, very good talks about him debuting as a 16 year old. And obviously the, the amazing dominance he has shown he's a fighting Artem Vakatov, the guy who was on contender series and the USC try to sign him. He was like, oh really? That's all you're offering? Nope. Uh, he is the light heavyweight champion of glory.

He'll be fighting Rico. Check out Chuck Chuck's article there, but Rico Verhoeven, what a career it's been. It's going to be a huge event for glory. It's in, uh, Rotterdam. I've been in that arena. They are incredibly passionate fans. Um, quick whip around here. Will you watch Ben folks?

Will you be tuning in to watch Rico? You know, uh, that one, I actually would be interested in watching it. The problem is that the information that it's happening is going to leave my brain as soon as we stop having this conversation. So I'm still going to need it to kind of come to me in some way.

That's the kind of fight where I hear about it. I'm interested. I totally forget. And then I see somebody's tweets where they're making the walk to the ring and I go, oh shit, that's, that's right now. And depending on what I'm doing right then, then maybe I can go find and watch. But I've had some great fight sports experiences that way, honestly, where

it's just like Saturday afternoon or something you find out and you go, oh, crap, let me tune in right now. And, uh, yeah, that can work. Yeah. Drake, I think that was pretty, you just described my experience with, uh, Oh, is it fury? I want to fury his last couple fights. I had that it might've been the Angana one. Like I, the day slipped my mind for whatever reason

when that was happening. I was like, Oh, it's right now. Let's go get it on. Um, but, uh, yeah, no, I'm in the exact same boat though has been there like busy week traveling and all that I'm gonna, I'll catch it when I can, but yeah, I'm definitely interested much more, much more than the ice fights. Sorry.

You see the problem with the Chucks article is the Chucks are really good writer and he has this headline and it says the most, the greatest heavyweight champion, you know, ever. And then I release a, my field of freeze article, which is unfortunately titled, is this the greatest heavyweight champion? So similar about his KSW rain. You know, obviously not that well known field of freeze in the US, but what he's done in KSW never done before he's gone for a twice, sorry, a 12th title defense,

not a twice, a 12th title defense, a guy who was in the UFC previously, the most salt of the year guy you could meet, like talking to him, hilarious guy. Like he's just like, I enjoyed reading your story on some of the quotes on it there where he was just like talking about how, you know, he envies all the money Tom Aspinall is going to make police like, man, he can't go anywhere though, without having to take pictures. I don't have that problem. I walked down the street and people leave me alone.

So, um, yeah. And also though, he's talking about like what he's going to do is where he's just like, I don't know, I'm just looking forward to like sitting at home and eating some McDonald's. Like how many times did he mention how much he wants to eat McDonald's? But he went out of his way. You know what I mean? He's there's a video of him before Tom fought blades in Manchester.

I think that was the fight, right? The rematch with blades where they're just kind of sitting there being interviewed and a pigeon is just in front of him and he just grabs it with his bare hands and he just holds it up to the camera and everyone's like, what the fuck? That guy is 300 pounds. Like how did that just happen? So I was asking him, I was like, when did you learn how to do that? And he goes, no, me and my daughter's just decided that we wanted to do it one day.

So we bought a lot of seed and we scattered around our feet. We're trying for, you know, a good week, but eventually I got one. And then they got them too. They could both catch, uh, pigeons before, with their bare hands, before there were five years of age, they love catching pigeons. Now I just want to, he's letting them go after he catches them. It's quite a sweet moment. He's not trying to, he's not Ozzy Osborne in the fucking things when he gets them in his hands.

But incredible guy. Really interesting. A guy who was kind of in the, in the, in the mix to fight in Ghana when PFL came along, KSW were all for it. Crazy thing he told me as well. And this is just a kind of a nod to the UFC's negotiations at the moment. Obviously, Phil's he's 39 and he's very well paid at KSW. But when he went out of contract recently, he had a chat with the UFC and he had been there when he was in his mid 20s. And I think he went two and three and he was out the door. He was suffering with some mental health issues at the time. But he said when they met him, they were like, oh, yeah, great. Ten and ten. That's what we're offering you.

That's like and I know, right? Like, you know, you guys don't know about Phil the freeze and that's fine. But to think that like the talent that's around there, the lack of interest in the heavyweight division, even just to get a guy in there and they're like, here's an entry level contract for a guy who's defended his title hasn't lost since 2017 is on a 14 vote win streak. It's pretty crazy. Um, that's another one.

I'm definitely going to watch that one. Big Phil, I'm always going to watch lads. I'm thinking the KSW might be a bit outside your orbit. Am I right? I love KSW, man. I'm here to build a freeze all day. They put on a good show. This it's just a little bit when you're watching it as an American, we were like,

all right, so I got to sit through this Polish portion of the broadcast sometimes. So they're not going to tell me what they're talking about. I do wonder the pigeon thing. What, what do you think, what goes on in the head of that pigeon afterwards? Cause it's just like going to the other pigeons and be like, you guys aren't going to believe what happened to me today. A giant just, a giant just snatched me up in his hands, held me up, uh, as a trophy to, to display to every other giant.

Uh, and then just set me back down on the ground and then two cute little girls grabbed my friends and they held them up. Yeah. Crazy dude. Um, before we go, I wanted to plug Ben's Stanley Kitchell piece because I had a great time reading this today. What a wild bastard. Ben, I know this guy, he was actually, he, his kind of, his stomping ground was quite close to you. I assume he was in Booth, right?

Is that what you call it? Booth, Montana. Butte, sorry. I can't believe you, an Irishman, don't know how to pronounce Butte, Montana, because that, that is what is the most Irish place in America outside of probably Boston. It's the saying for a long time was that a lot of people ended up in Butte coming from Ireland and they worked in the mines and they were told, you know, they have it inscribed on the outside of the Butte Public Archives, which is an amazing

place. I'd look for any excuse to go there. And outside it was a message that one Irish immigrant gave to another and she was telling her, all right, look, remember, when you get to the new world, don't stop in America, go all the way to Butte. And so that it became, you know, and there's still, you know, you meet so many people with Irish heritage in Butte, a lot of Irish names in Butte. And the archives there are incredibly well maintained, going back to when Butte was like a really bustling mining city. And Stanley Ketchell came around, around that time, like early 1900s, when Butte was going from being like a small mining camp to being like, it was one of the first cities in America to have electricity and a street car and things like that. Uh, yeah.

And the, the copper that they pulled out of the mines in Butte is how America itself got electricity. It just, the copper went everywhere. And so it, prize fighting was a big thing in the town, but also it was just, it was known as a wide open town, which meant there were almost no loss. You could kind of do whatever. And it was a 24 hour town. Yeah.

The mines are going 24 hours. So it's like, you can, you can drink and smoke opium and, and, uh, find a, some, some paid company at any time of day or night in Butte. And so it was like a wild place for him to show up as like a 16 year old runaway who had just been kind of bouncing around and didn't take long for people who were like like this kid can fight You know, let's let's throw him in some of these boxing matches But it seemed one of the things that's amazing to me is that it seemed like you know

He died at 24 and was already regarded as the best middleweight boxing champion in history at the time But everybody kind of agreed the dude never gained a ton of boxing skill or craft It wasn't he was never a technician never really tried to get there that much. He was just pure fury. And you know, the opponents, what he, even guys he had knocked out would talk about afterwards of being like, I don't know if that guy is a boxer or not, but that was a deeply unpleasant experience to be in there with him just constantly throwing punches at my head and just had a bunch of like really memorable fights, but also it seemed like

he was living like he wasn't going to live that long, but also probably in a way made that come true for himself because he just didn't believe he was ever going to live to see 30 and didn't buy a lot. Well, it's a great read. And it's well worth your time. Oh, I was just, I was just about to ask Drake about his travel plans to Atlanta and to explain the geography between Atlanta. All right.

Don't let that happen again. I'm only missing. Maybe it's a, maybe it's a super chat. Maybe someone else is curious, you know? Yeah. But tell me, um, I've made a fool of myself many times on this show when I pretend to understand the geography of the United States of America. I'll say something like, oh, you must be heading up to Atlanta now.

And people go, oh, come on. Fuck. So please tell me what it is, Drake. Tell me how you're going to get there. I'll be driving. I'm going to head on out here from the hotel right after this. It's only like three and a half hours. So it's not too bad.

We'll cruise on down. Drive the length of my country in three and a half hours. So it's not too bad. We'll cruise on down. Drive the length of my country in three and a half hours. And, uh, and then we'll have the time change because they're at what Eastern time. So we'll lose an hour going. So I guess four hours really, but it'll actually be three hours moving. So we're going down South.

Uh, yeah, yeah, it'll be a good trip. Good drive. I, I don't know if I've done it from Nashville before, but I've gone Atlanta to Nashville and yeah, like this whole triangle of cities with Memphis. So you are a man who has been on though. You are, you're quite like Stanley Ketchal in many ways after reading the page. You know, I called you Jack Karouac earlier.

I'm going for Stanley Ketchal now because he's fresh. Give us those goddamn super chats. after reading the page, you know, I called you Jack Karowak earlier. I'm going for Stanley Kitchell now because he's fresh. All right. I'll take it. Give us those goddamn super chats. Ben thoughts on the C the SCF. I don't know what that is. Is it the best ever? Oh, Stanley cup final. That's what we're talking about. Okay.

I was lost there for a second too. Yeah. I don't know if you guys have been following this. No. I have because I really want to see the Edmonton Oilers win. I mainly do not want to see the Florida Panthers win. I've made this point before. I do not believe that there should be any professional hockey teams south of the Mason-Dixon line. Definitely not in Florida. They definitely shouldn't be good. That is, that's wrong and it's unnatural and I don't like it. And Yeah, I love I really have come to like the Edmonton Oilers and Connor McDavid is amazing to watch

And so I've been rooting for them and they tell you it has been a wild series so far last night the Edmonton Oilers tied it up 2-2 and They got absolutely blown out in game 3 and just a disaster a fiasco It's I would even go as far as to call it a fiasco for the inventory. And then I was, you know, I had company staying with me this week. So I was entertaining and making dinner and stuff last night. And I was checking the score and I saw that Edmonton had gone up three, one in the first period and was just like, well, here we go again.

And then the inventors were like, no, Taylor Swift is here watching. We are not letting this happen. They came back, scored three to tie it. They ended up going into overtime. Leon Dreisaitl scores yet another overtime game winner to tie the series. And man, this is the best Stanley Cup final so far that I can remember. But at this point, I feel so invested. If the Edmonton Oilers don't win, my heart is going to be broken.

I will be a shattered man. It's the best of seven. This is, see, this is the thing we're trying to explain to my girlfriend sometimes where I'm just like, yeah, you know, all right. The, the hockey game starts at six and she's like, they're playing again. Until somebody wins four, they're playing. So how many of them? If you want a preview of Ice Boys. Yeah. Until somebody wins four they're playing. So how many of them?

Yeah, the the preview of ice wars happened in game three when Once they got blown out. They were just like to hell with this We're chopping these guys in the arms or punching people in the head like we're not going out like this And so it was a real mess down the stretch. Um, but yeah, they're, they're tied at two. Uh, and it's, you know, first team to win four. So somebody has to win two more games, but this feels like we could be going all the way to, to a game seven here. I'm going to get involved. I'm telling you now, Ben, I've told you I've been looking for my entry

point for NHL here it is. Um, anything else there? J town? Just the one. Wow. We got away. Um, anything else there? J town just the one. Wow. We got away. Um, Oh, was it a bad one? Someone call me a wanker.

Oh, wanker. That's, ah, it's a great topic. Anyway, guys, crack heads. We love you very much. Thank you. This is a long episode. You've been asked for longer episodes. I didn't even fucking tell the lads we're doing, but here we are.

22 minutes overtime. Sorry, guys. Fuck your plans, right? We love you so much. We'll be back next week. Thank you so much to the wonderful Drake Riggs a cross-country runner for Uncrowned this week. And as always, let's be honest, Ben Foulkes, who has now turned me on to NHL, which I will be watching.'s the next game Ben? I don't I mean they just played last night

So I think they might be taking two days off to come back to Edmonton, but it'll either be Saturday or Sunday I'm looking forward to I'm watching all the American sports the NBA the NHL what a time to be alive crack heads The smorgasbord is there this weekend go and enjoy yourselves you'll see Atlanta all that good stuff ice wars fuck hockey just do the fighting we'll see you next week we love you