The Ariel Helwani Show - LIVE FROM LAS VEGAS (FINALE): UFC 329 Reaction, Robert Whittaker, Paulo Costa, Jason 'Mayhem' Miller, Dr. Brian Sutterer

Episode Date: July 14, 2026

Ariel Helwani kicks off the show with a recap of UFC 329, including Conor McGregor’s social media posts after the fight, McGregor’s injury status before and after the fight, fan reaction to the main event, what he feels is next for McGregor, and more (02:57). Dr. Brian Sutterer is back, breaking down Conor McGregor’s injury, from speculation about McGregor being compromised before the fight, how using PEDs could potentially impact durability, recovery time and when McGregor could compete again, and more (53:55). Jason ‘Mayhem’ Miller joins Ariel in-studio for the first time since their infamous viral moment, reacting to UFC 329, speaking about the status of his relationship with rival Nick Diaz, martial arts saving his life, the handling of fighters after retirement, his various business, and more (1:03:47). Robert Whittaker stops by the studio to discuss his successful light heavyweight debut at UFC 329, the decision to move up, training at City Kickboxing, Israel Adesanya leaving the gym, not wanting to fight his teammates, his thoughts on UFC 329, wanting to be a firefighter and work in media after his career, and more (2:03:51). Ariel reacts to comments by Max Holloway, Dustin Poirier, Sean Strickland, and others after UFC 329 (3:01:21). Paulo Costa is in-studio to talk about what’s next, being offered a short-notice fight against Magomed Anakalev, wanting to fight Jiri Prochazka for an interim title, his negotiations with the UFC, the latest Zuffa Boxing signings, his beef with Josh Hokit, conversations with Eddie Hearn, and more (3:31:56). The Boys in the Back and Petesy Carroll join Ariel in-studio to close out their time in Las Vegas (4:38:46) and answer Super Chats (4:45:05).

Live from beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. The fabulous Ariel Helwani show has hit the road and the team is in Sin City for international fight meet. Now put your hands together for your host, Ariel Helwani. Back in your life on this Monday, July 13,000. And 26, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. Yes, we are still in Las Vegas. One more day, our final voyage here in Las Vegas. This is it. We go home tomorrow. We've been here for almost a full week. Some of us actually arrived on Monday of last week. So a full week for them. Tomorrow will be a week for me. And I got to tell you, I got to tell you, it's a different kind of vibe on a Monday in Las Vegas. We are inside the Venetian sports book. They have been incredible hosts. over the course of the last few days. We have been at the Yahoo Sports fan caves here.

Same spot. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, had the show with DJ on Friday night as well. Watch party, my first time doing the whole thing with Pizzi, Rick, G.C. It was a blast. Post show as well. And then we wanted to stick around on the Monday to really kind of capture the essence and the post-fight temperature. And we have a lot of that to get to on today's program.

Tomorrow will be heading home. A lot of us heading home tonight, late night red eye, not my thing, but God bless them. God bless the youth, right? I mean, they're able to do this. They're able to get on a flight at midnight and just carry on with their day. Us old guys, us 44-year-olds, we need our beauty sleep. And so tomorrow I'll be heading home and then we'll be back in studio on Wednesday, regular show on Wednesday, back in New York.

We will have something for you on the channel tomorrow. I'll tell you more about that later in the program. We have so much to get to on today's show, so much to get into. Holy smokes, we have a lot to get into. I do want to give a shout out right off the top to our good friends over at Cal She. Thank you so much to Cal She for their support. Today's episode brought to you by our good friends over at Cali. You know the Joe by now.

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UFC 329 was the most bet on, bet it on, bet on, bet it on, bet it on, bet on, you know the word, bet. Frank, is it bet or beted? I'm going to say bet. Trade it. No, I just mean in general. Anyway, in, in history, in MMA history, the most activity, the most action in MMA. history, which is a pretty remarkable thing. And of course, it was that because of the return of Connor McGregor. And by now you know what happened on Saturday night. The whole thing lasted 69 seconds. It was deflating. It was unfulfilling. It never really even got off. He starts the fight rushing towards Max Holloway. He throws this left kick. He clearly injures his right knee. And it is worth noting the leg that he injured against Max Holloway 13 years ago,

was his left knee. The leg that he injured against Dustin Porre was his left leg. This, his right knee. So a new injury, if you will, but the symbolism of 13 years ago, him tearing his ACL mid-max Holloway fight and fighting through and winning that fight. And now we fast forward 13 years later. And he clearly injures his knee in the first two, three seconds of the fight. I mean, the fight starts. He bum-rushes him, throws that kick, lands, and the knee buckles. And then he tries to fight through it, and it's over in 69 seconds. I mean, there wasn't a punch landed. There was nothing really of significance.

Max clearly uncomfortable with what was transpiring. He tells Mike Beltran, the referee, like, yo, man, this guy's hurt. I don't want to beat him up. And they call it off. Just a bit of a depressing scene. Or maybe not a depressing scene. If you were rooting heavily against Connor and for Max Holloway, but after all the buzz, all the hoopla, all the talk, the five-year comeback, the layoffs.

all that and more for it to never really happen was extremely unfulfilling, extremely deflating. Now, there's all kinds of conspiracy theories and all kinds of comments, all kinds of ideas of what transpired. We'll get into a lot of that and then some on the show. We have so much to get into on today's program. Patty Pimbleau was phenomenal in his return fight since the loss to Justin Gaichie. We'll talk about the win over BSD, Brandon Royval, and Lonnie Kavanaugh had an amazing fight fight of the night. Mario Batista had a very big win over Corey Sanhagen. What about Robert Whitaker in his light heavyweight debut getting the win over Nikita Krilov? What about King Green with the comeback at the very end of the first round against Terrence McKinney? What about the debut?

What about the debut of Gabel Stephson? All that and more will be discussed. Now, in today's program, back into the show, we're going to be joined by Paulo Costa. Bojaschina. We'll get his thoughts on Robert Whitaker's light heavyweight debut. We'll get his thoughts on his situation with the UFC. He's been openly complaining about having one fight left and not getting that fight. What is going on with Paul Costa? Costa joining us in studio at around 130 Pacific 430 Eastern. Prior to that, we are going to be joined by Robert Whitaker, who had the big win on Saturday against the Keita Krilov. It appeared as though he broke Krilov's jaw. Dana White saying afterwards that it wasn't broken, I'm not sure how that was because it seemed very clearly like it was just based on his

delayed reaction. Anyway, Bobby Knuckles, light heavyweight Bobby Knuckles will be joining us in studio on the show today. And he now is a part of a very exclusive group of fighters. Connor McGregor, Jared Cannoneer. Yes, Connor McGregor, Jared Kenanier, Bobby Knuckles, and Max Holloway. I do believe, based on our research, the four fighters in UFC history who have stoppages in three weight classes. So now Robert Whitaker won 7085. 205, 205, and then Holloway getting the stoppage win in the first round of that fight on Saturday as well at 170, 45, 55, 170. Prior to Robert Whitaker, we're going to be joined by our old friend Maham Miller, and I do believe this will be our first in-person studio chat since the

infamous Lucky Patrick moment way back when 2012, I do believe that was. So it's been a hell of a long time. We've obviously talked before. We've had many a chats. I saw him at Fight Circus. So we've, we've been around each other, but not in this kind of setting. So stay tuned for that. And at around 1.40 p.m. Eastern time, Dr. Brian Suterer, who I think is the leader as far as sports medicine doctors reacting to injuries that are happening in the world of sports. He put up a reaction video breakdown of Connor's injury, just, what was it, about 24 hours. or so ago, and it has 1.5 million views on YouTube. So he is the very best, and he's kind enough during his lunch break, because he's an actual doctor, to join us and help us make sense

of it all. As of right now, as of right now, we do not have an official confirmation as to what the injury was. Brian Souterer told me, Dr. Brian Suterer told me on Saturday that he believed it was a meniscus. He was unclear based on the injury as to whether or not it was an ACL. But right now we don't have an official confirmation. We know it's an injury. We know an injury was suffered, but we don't know much more than that. I do want to share, just for context, off the top, a couple of things. Let me first show you video of Connor McGregor in the back throwing that kick that he started off the fight with. You can very clearly see this. It's the exact same move. Is he secure on his feet?

feet, is he comfortable on his feet? Same move. And based on my understanding, that was the plan. The plan was to start the fight off like this. Look, he's practicing it. Now, if you would have landed it, this would have been some tremendous footage. But instead, it's footage that people are breaking down like Zapruder film of, you know, Conner's knee and all that stuff. And you see, you know, he's fine. He's throwing it, the left, the right. He's doing everything. So that was posted by the UFC afterwards. And there was also all kinds of footage posted of him taking off his shoes, him at the

wands, all that stuff and more. My understanding is there was no pre-existing injury. Now, when I say that, it is important to note that he is about to turn 38. His body has been through a lot. Some self-inflicted, some not. obviously the injuries they catch up to you obviously the you know the the the New York Times article the stuff that you put in your body the layoff all that catches up to you and so when I say no pre-existing injury yes my understanding is the right knee was not injured going into this fight

but that doesn't mean that he is not dealing with stuff or that he is who he once was or that he is able to recover like he once did or he is able to recover like he once did or he is able to fight through pain or fight through injury like he once did. So there's a bit of a distinction there. But I do think it's important to note. My understanding is no preexisting injury going into this fight. It was a freak thing. I'm not a coach. I'm not his coach. I'm not a fighter. There is a part of me if you would ask me, and I know it's a hindsight is 2020 thing, if he just would have felt it out, just sort of, you know, 30, 40 seconds, just get your feet comfortable, you're under the lights, first time in five years, throw a jab, distance management.

Okay, let's just, we got plenty of time. It's 25 minutes. We're all good. Why the need to start the fight off like that? Such a shock, I'll never understand. Max Holloway has an incredible chin. Max Holloway does not get knocked out unless he is fighting Ilya toporia. the chances of him getting caught with something like that and getting knocked out,

I think we're quite slim. I will always wonder, and maybe one day we'll get a chance to speak to him or Owen Roddy or John Kavanaugh about, why start the fight like that? Why go so fast, so aggressive right off the bat? Put your body through that stress and trauma right off the bat. I understand I'm playing Monday morning quarterback here, but my understanding, once again, no preexisting injury. Like we, like I just said, we don't know if it's a meniscus.

an ACL, all that and more, but clearly something happened to the knee. You see him limping out of the arena here. He was clearly injured, limping out, no crutches, emotional, devastated, feeling like this was a nightmare. There's a limp there. You see this, and he's not carted out, and you'd like to think, okay, maybe it's not as bad. as feared. He's literally walking out of the arena, sand's shoes, nothing on a, no sandals, no nothing, wearing his, he didn't even get changed. He just left and went straight to the hospital. He has posted a few things on social media. This was the first post, and it was dark, and it was, it was, it was heavy. Here's Connor's first post. This was 1031 Pacific time. So not, like, I mean, like literally,

an hour or so after the fight. My head gasket is gone, destroyed. I had no injuries slash injuries going into the fight. This is what I heard as well. I was throwing kicks, planted and jumping all throughout camp as well as backstage before the fight. This came out of nowhere. I'm beyond dark here. I can only describe it as hell. He later posted this. I was so sharp and so ready for this fight. I cannot believe what has happened. The talk of me being off while walking into the fight is nonsense. I was calm, ready, and confident. I am in shock of what, I am in shock what has taken place. The devil is literally staring at me right in front of my face here.

I am not engaging. I will be at church tomorrow. I will overcome this. I will not be deterred. I will return. He then posted late, last night, early this morning, this. My faith is unconditional. And I'm thankful I get to prove it.

My lifestyle changes are permanent. And not just until I am thankful I get to prove it. I am in sin city and remain completely devoid of all sin. I will not open that door, no crack its seal. I am already back to collecting winds. In Jesus' name, I pray. Church was intense today. My heart is heavy, but through Christ, my mind is strong.

I am so grateful to see my family fall more in love with God each day. I am a child of God. I am a friend of God. God makes a way for me where there seems to be no way. I am not a victim of my circumstances. I will overcome them. God is at work in me to will and to work his good pleasure. My youth is being renewed like the Eagles. In Jesus, I am thoroughly loved, cherished, and adored. I walk in divine health. I live under

supernatural protection. All things work out for my good. All things are possible for me because I am a believer. Surgery, prehab, return to martial arts practice. Go again. Final fight of the contract. Please, God. I trust in you, Lord. Show me your way. Thank you, God. One more post from him. I'm getting closer. So he says surgery, like I said, no confirmation of that from his team, no confirmation of what the injury is, but there's confirmation that he suspects he's going to need surgery. That's going to put him on the sideline for quite some time. He did tell us before the fight, obviously, that he's got that clause in his contract,

that his second fight in the last fight on his contract has to be before April of 2027. I'm sure if he gets injured and needs to have surgery, You know, they're not going to roll them out there injured. Max was pushing for the trilogy. Unclear if he's interested. Knowing him like I do, I think he would be interested in that. Unclear what the appetite would be for that. Unclear what the public would say about that.

But as I sit here today, I don't feel like that's the last time we see him fight. Or at least attempt to fight. I don't feel like that's the last image of him. competing in mixed martial arts. And I don't think the UFC is going to let him go and do something else. And, you know, I thought it was really interesting. Look, I met some people who paid $8,000 to fly over. I met a guy from Scotland paid $8,000 to be here. I met a lot of people who had never experienced a Connor McGregor fight live in person. I didn't meet a lot of Irish people. That's the gods on his truth. I've been to many Connor McGregor fights. I've been to the vast

majority, and usually there's an influx, there's a sea of Irish people that come to these fights. Didn't feel that at all. But I did meet a lot of Americans who were very excited to witness a Connor McGregor fight in person. I feel for those people. This was the biggest gate in UFC history. It was the biggest gain in UFC history because these people paid top dollar to be there in attendance and witness this. And they didn't get what they paid for as far as Connor McGregor is concerned. I don't feel for the people. I had one guy reach out to me. actually I had multiple, but one guy in particular, like, I am so mad. I am so mad. I'm so mad. And so I asked him, how much did you pay for your tickets? I didn't go to the fight. How much did you pay for

pay-per-view? It wasn't pay-per-view. What are he so mad about? Like, what is this entitlement? If you are a true mixed martial arts fan and not just the Connor McGregor fan, you got to watch one of the best fights of the year, excuse me, fight cards of the year, one of the absolute best, as of right now, the event of the year. Let's exclude the main event. Seven first round finishes. Seven on this card. The eighth, the main event, unceremonious, deflating, all that breaks a record. The record previously was seven. You got to see an incredible fight between Brandon Royville and Lonnie Kavanaugh. You got to see an unbelievable, unbelievable performance by Patty Pimbleau, in which he scored a 10 out of 10 on my report. card every step of the way, fight week, walkout entrance, crowd reaction, performance, submission,

post-fight interview, nailed it. That was the greatest moment of Patty Pimbled's career. Saturday night. Submitting BSD. I will never, ever, ever, ever understand why BSD shot on a guy who was so good on the ground, but he made the mistake. Laps in judgment. mental mistake, whatever you want to call it, and this is what happened. And he went out. Darst choke. For Patty to come back that quickly after the Justin Gachi loss and do that to a guy who had been on that kind of run, unbelievable. He is a superstar. I would argue he is one of the top three faces of the UFC right now. Top three most popular. Did you see that entrance? The crowd was more into that entrance than the McGregor entrance. It was unbelievable. It was

intoxicating. It was incredible. You got to see that. You got to see an amazing performance and an amazing fight between Mario Batista and Corey Sanhagen. You got to see an incredible comeback win by King Green. You got to see the light heavyweight debut of Robert Whitaker. You got to see the UFC debut of future champion or contender, national champion, gold medalist, Gable Steveson, Buffalo Bill Training Camp Invitee as well. You got to see Luke Riley's big win as well. That was an amazing card. Spare me the embarrassment non-stop. sense. I get that from the trolls. I don't understand that from a lot of the sports media. Oh, what an embarrassment. Oh, for once, boxing isn't, you know, the one everyone's shitting on.

Guy got injured in the main event. Do you think the UFC trotted him out knowing that he was injured? Like, this conspiracy theory shit is so tiresome. It's so lame. The only person that was embarrassed on Saturday was Connor McGregor. Do you think he wanted to be embarrassed? Do you think he really went out there to throw a fight? I don't. I'm sorry. I know a lot of you do. I don't think he went out there to throw a fight. I think he went out there not in the same physical shape and health that he once was, started off the fight the wrong way, threw a kick, landed, got hurt. And his body isn't what it once was. And it was a long-ass layoff. As we talked about ad nauseum, you don't come back from a five-year layoff and just look like your old self.

It doesn't happen in any sport, let alone fighting. Basketball, football, baseball, I don't care what the sport is, let alone fighting. Spare me the embarrassment stuff. If you are a fan of MMA, Saturday was not an embarrassment. It ended in a real shit way, and we've seen that before in other fights. But the card was great. The performances was great. I don't know what more, like, what more fans.

That was unbelievable. Now, if you spend $8,000 to be there in person to see Connor, I feel for you. Everyone else I do not feel for. There ain't no pay-per-view anymore. You're paying $10.99 or whatever the hell it is for Paramount Plus. That's it. If you paid $80 back in the day, I would say, yep, you have a, you have a, you know, you have a case. There's an argument to be made that you were ripped off.

In this case, no way. Absolutely none. That was not, that was just a freak, awful way to end a fight. but I don't think it's his last performance. I don't think it's going to be his last attempt to fight again. I think he wants to finish out his contract. I think he wants to, you know, try to fix this. I don't know if he will, but at least try.

And then I think he wants to test the market. As I've said from the beginning, I think he wants to see for the first time in his career what the market is. Now, does this hurt his market value? Absolutely. Will they break the gate record if he comes back in a year? probably not. This all hurts.

That's why I say the only person who you could say was maybe embarrassed was him because he wasn't able to perform. He didn't show up, got injured in the first five seconds. Max was unbelievable throughout. Max was great in the buildup. He never went low, never hit him below the belt. I thought it was respectful, was fun, was quick on his feet, was, you know, playful. was all class in the cage afterwards as well.

Didn't want to jump on him, didn't want to hurt him. He writes, not the outcome we wanted, but God's plan is always the right one. Thank you, Connor, for the fight. Took a lot to make the walk after these past few years, sending prayers for a speedy recovery. Shout out to my family, team, friends, and blessed expressors for the support. What a life we live. See you at the next one. I want to bring in P.C. Rick, G.C. real quick for about 20 minutes time.

before we get to Dr. Brian Suterer, because I want to take their temperature as well. Some, I don't know, 36 hours since we spoke on the post show. Here are the boys. Hey, guys. What's happening? Pete, you come over here. Rick come over here.

G.C. come over here. Usually I could just throw to you guys on the screen, but people like to hear from you in the aftermath of these shows. Hello, hello. You got the microphone right over there, Pete. Hello, hello. How are you? We were discussing before the show that we were going to come on air.

and I, uh, would you have, would you have me at a, uh, plus 20,000? Yeah, I didn't expect it. I didn't, actually, me and Rick were just saying, I don't think we're going to go on the air. And then you're like, let's bring in the boy. Why not? Why not? I want to hear from you, Rick. You were cooking. You were cooking. What are you feeling? What are you feeling 36 hours later? Uh, many, many of the same things you already touched on, specifically the, the, the conspiracy theories, the hope that he's, he was injured before the fight, all these things that I feel are irrelevant to the conversation anyway, right? Like this idea that like, was he injured before the fight or was he not? Ultimately, we got what we got. The product was there. The product that that we got on Saturday

night was the one that will be the lasting memory. I'm not particularly concerned about this. Like you, Ariel, I don't believe that there was anything in the lead up, right? You've heard from sources. I've also spoken to people that I don't believe that there was any preexisting injury. This is a man who is getting older in the years and whose body has been through a lot in the, in the, time since we've last seen him, and this being a possible outcome seems very likely, right? Like, there's no real reason to dig into conspiracy when something much more obvious is in front of us. But ultimately, I think, you know, as we kind of arrived at on Saturday night, I think we will see Connor McGregor again. And I think people will still tune in. I think there is still

an appeal to Connor McGregor that is undeniable, even evidenced by the fact that there are all these theories and people are still continuing to talk about this. Max Holloway is the winner. And there's no conversation about Max Holloway, and there will continue to be no conversation about Max Holloway, because Cona McGregor is just this force of nature when it comes to grabbing attention. Do you see? Yeah, when it comes to the conspiracy theories, I'm not sure. I mean, no matter what we say, if there's reports, he comes out and says that there wasn't, his team comes out and says that there wasn't, whatever it may be, people are going to have those.

There's all the video evidence. I also don't know if it helped the situation that the UFC was posting everything. I like that they were transparent, but it felt like they were the ones putting out, Like, here's him warming up in the back beforehand. Here's him doing this. Here's him taking off the shoes. The UFC official account put all of that out. And I think that helped people to get to a point where they were saying.

Why do you think they did that? I don't know, because I've never seen them do that before. The UFC account did the shoes off one. Yeah. And then they did the kick one. And they just stated it, this is him before the fight. Sure. This is him making his way to the octagon, everything like that.

So I think that sort of pushed it even more. And just the way that he went out, to Pizzi's point, on the watch party on Saturday night, he kept saying how Connor McGregor looked off, he looked weird, everything like that, he looked nervous. I think the way he looked, comboed with the fact that he went out there

through a kick and immediately got injured is why people are feeling that way. So a lot of people, including Max Holloway himself at the Post-Five press conference, actually he said it, he said it at the Post-Fite, but he also said it on the UFC podcast. He said the same thing.

He felt like he seemed off when he was watching him, walk to the cage. noted on the watch party. He was waving. He doesn't do that sort of thing. What about his demeanor when he was walking to the cage made you feel like he was quote unquote off? He's usually just so locked into the moment. It's all the performance from the second he hits the screen. Like, you know, like the previous walkouts. Everything seemed so planned. This one, it seemed like he wasn't quite there. And he was kind of out of his head. He was kind of not out of his head in terms of any

kind of substance he was saying, but in terms of just wasn't in the moment the way he usually is. sometimes I feel like he, well, all the time, he used to plan these things so meticulously. If you watch any of his walkouts, it's nearly like a performance. That's part of why he's such an icon, you know. He made things feel completely different. He looked vacant to me when he was walking out. He looked vacant in the cage. It looked like he was kind of confused as to what he should be doing when they were

introducing, when he usually, this was all part of it. Like it was nearly like he was moving in symbiosis with Bruce Buffer, and the whole arena was matching his energy. It was almost like he was conducting an orchestra around him. I didn't get that sense at all. And, you know, look, I didn't think he was going to win this fight. I had concerns about his body. I see him saying there was nothing wrong with me.

And maybe that is the case. Maybe from his own point of view, he doesn't think anything was different in his own mind. But it looked very, very different to me. I don't think you'll ever win a high stakes elite fight again. And I just hope that he finds this salvation that he's. that he's talking about because I think everybody would want to see that. I don't think anybody wants him to go off off the edge like he has previously. Well, I think there's a lot of people who do. Well, who's that good for like? That's not good for it. But like there is vitriol towards

this fan. Unbelievable. Yeah. There's an intense amount. And look, we've all seen, oh, Ronda loses, people hate her. But they hate her because they didn't like her demeanor. They didn't like how cocky she was. In this case, like he has given people reasons to not be fans of his. And so I'm not trying to judge them. But there are a lot of people who are celebrating on Saturday. There are a lot of people who wanted to see him, not just lose, but like crumble. Particularly in Ireland. Yeah.

And they got what they wanted to a degree. And so now he's going to have to overcome that. I'll be honest, when I read that first tweet, I was like, this is dark. You know, that first tweet where he said this. Warian, it's Warren. Yeah, this is very dark. Now, the subsequent tweets are a little bit more measured. Yeah.

And like there's, okay, some hope that, okay, the guy's not going to do something drastic. What do you say? The devil was standing in front of him or something? Yeah. But it's just very, it's a very intense thing. And he's getting there on the biggest of stages. He's coming all the way back. And he doesn't, he doesn't perform.

And it's like that. I will just say regarding the walkout stuff, like we're playing, we're playing psychologists here. But when I saw him, I noted the waving, like all this was different. To me, it was someone who was nervous. It was someone who for the first time showed like, do I still have? have it. And that's normal when you have not done something for five years, especially when you're

fighting someone like Max Hallway. So when I saw him, I was like, it's the first, he's usually like the epitome of confidence. He's owning the moment. And to me it seemed, even when he was like standing back there, but I don't think that that's any sort of conspiracy. That's just sort of reading someone's body language. But people are taking that as like, oh, he was heard. No, I just think that's, that's a guy who was questioning perhaps himself after such a long layoff. Do I still have am I still that guy? And that's very different, though, from what we know. Yeah, no, 100%.

It's incredibly different. But also, he had never been through a five-year layoff before. Yeah. At 38, after multiple injuries, et cetera, et cetera. But I think people are using those images to say, oh, he threw the fight, or he was injured. Or he was injured and knew. Yeah. And I don't believe that.

I think that the real story here is, like, everybody wanted to catch light in a bottle. Everybody wanted to somehow go back to 2015 and 2016. And this is the furthest thing. from it. Like that is, that is, that is real, take the injury, take, take, take, take, like, the look on his face, take everything out of that. You can never go back. That's the end of that. Let's not pretend that that could happen again because I feel like, every time this happens, everyone's like, look, he has that look in his eyes. It's impossible. It's impossible. It's impossible to go back then. And I just wonder, do you think that's possible that that kind of, um,

mania can take over again when a Connemer O'Gregor announces he comes back? Do you think it can be anything closer to that after something like this happening? Close to this week we just saw. Close to 2016. Close to this week. I think so. I think it could be close. It will never, it will not be at the heights that it was.

I don't know if it could be like $26 million gate, but it could be an 18. It could be a 17. There are still going to be people who are going to say there's only X amount of these left. Like I was talking to my nephew who never saw him and he was like, man, I just wanted to see vintage. Like there's going to be people who are going to say,

I just want to see vintage Connor. But again, we have to remember like, when Michael Jordan came back to play for the Wizards, he didn't make the playoffs. You know what I mean? He couldn't even get his team over the line. No one comes back after a layoff and is almost 40 and looks like their old self.

It seems though for some reason that it's being pinned exclusively to him. Like, why couldn't you do it? Why couldn't you do it? No one does it. Well, I think he, five year layoff. Oh, sorry, yeah, sorry. And leg break.

Like, let's not forget about his legs. And the way he was living. And the way he's been living. And the way he was living. You touched on something, which is these conspiracy theories, form because people want to assign reason to things, right? Our brains want logic.

We want to understand things. We want to understand why something happened, right? And some people just have a hard time understanding why this happened this way on Saturday night. They can't figure it out. And so they create these theories, right? Oh, he was injured coming in. So obviously that's how it's going to look.

When in reality, if you just look at what has been presented, you look at the evidence that is in front of us, leg injury, extremely hard living. civil trial and all the stuff that's associated with that, five years away from the cage, that's what happens. Like, this is the most obvious outcome. This is the outcome that everybody should have seen coming, not the outcome that we can't expect or can't believe.

This is what happens when you are in that state. Don't you just wish, for the sake of the contest, like, if you would have gotten knocked out, he would have gotten knocked out. Like, I just wanted to say, it's unfulfilling. It's unfulfilling. Why didn't he just like, just start? That I don't know. You know what I mean?

That's the one thing. To your point, the reasoning, the reasoning is everything you just said, the five years, the drugs, the alcohol, the steroids, the leg break, the civil drugs. That is the reasoning on why this happened. But it just, I think it's just why did he go out there and start with that leg kick? It's almost 38 years old. After everything your body's been through, it has to have a bit of frailty to it. To go out there and start that way, it just seems. If they would have started like point down, let's freaking go brr, and he got knocked out, it's like,

man, Kill is delusional. If that was the plan, that's completely delusional. It sounds like it was the plan. I mean, here's a post from John Kavanaugh, his head coach.

Let's read it real quick. Why would it be the plan? But you don't understand how crazy that is. You're going to put weight on this knee, all of your weight. He wrote devastated that opening jump switch kick was drilled daily for months,

multiple times in warm up, never an issue. Knee went when he threw the very first kick. Does it get any worse than this? Looking forward to see my family in a few days. So this clearly was the plan. I mean, the footage there in the back tells the whole entire

story. And look, none of us are It's another nod to him trying to be 2015 Connor. It is like all of this is just his currency is nostalgia here. And he wanted to give everyone this moment. And that's what inevitably. Isn't that what he should do? Isn't that what we want right? At the end of the day, if we want a smarter, do we? Or do we want a magical moment? He tried to provide something. That's what people did want the magical. People were delusional in their

people are still delusional. And this is what. And this is what I was also going to get at, which is why I think he can drum this up again. Why, maybe it won't be 26 million, but it might be 20 million is because everybody wanted to believe that Connor McGregor could do it. Everybody wanted to believe. You look at the betting odds, you look at everything associated with this. When you look at what I laid out earlier, there's no way he's going to do it. There's no chance. It's not possible. But yet everybody still believed it was. And so that gap, the unfulfilling sentiment between, the unfulfilled feeling between there's no way this is going to happen and everybody going, no, it's going to happen is why everybody's looking for all these conspiracies and all these theories and all these reasons. But it's also why they're going to go, eh, you know, fluke injury, whatever.

And the next time out, they're going to find a way to drum up the, he's going to find a way to make people believe again. And they're going to find a way to believe him. But I think that number goes down. It'll go down. It hurts. I'm not talking about just the gate. I'm talking about the people that believe. the people that are willing to give it the time of day, the people that are willing to tune in for it,

it goes down significantly each time, and especially on this time, and if he comes back and he fights again it took him 24 hours to go from like, I don't know when we'll ever hear from this guy again. That's what I was first thinking when it originally happened. I was like, when are we ever going to hear from this guy? He bolted immediately to the car and got out of there. Then we see the tweets, very dark place. Then it's, God's got my back. Then it's, I'm going to get surgery. I'm going to get back to mixed martial arts. I'm going to fight out the last fight on my contract. It's just like, boom, boom, 24 hours,

it's just like, all right, he's already planning to come back. If he does come back, the pressure that's going to be on him in that fight

to perform, because if something goes horribly wrong again in the next fight, that number just, it just keeps taking larger and larger hits. The point where,

if it's as disastrous as this one, can he get that massive, massive $100 million payday with Netflix? I don't know about that. And also, like, we're talking about surgery.

You're going to be 39, another injury. It defies, most people would just sail off into the sunset. Can I ask that? It doesn't sound like he wants to. If you're the UFC, how are you playing this now?

Because there was a lot of talk about contracts, stuff like this, would they ream up? And who would you match him with at this stage? Like, I know we're a million miles away. Sure. Michael Chandler. You match with Michael Chandler.

I think that's the smart bet. I think they may just run it back. It's like a year away, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's a year away. A million things can happen, right? But the UFC, if I'm the UFC, I'm like, call us when you're ready.

We don't have to. to worry about negotiations. We don't have to worry about you testing. Like, it works for them. This works for them. Okay. You don't think. No, no. I'm curious. Yeah, because like, if I'm the UFC, you have very little leverage. It's not like you just won an incredible fight and you're like, hey, pin me or pay me and then I'm leaving. And then if you would have got knocked out, you know, it would have been bad. This is, of all the scenarios, I think this is the worst scenario for Connor as far as negotiating because he's a wounded animal. He's now questioning. He's now questioning himself, the public are questioning him, because it's one thing to lose a fight.

It's another for the public to feel like, ah, did you, did you like sneak one by us here? Like, did you really come here to fight? I don't feel that, but they feel that. Even people that don't feel that, though, his body is broken is the center. Right. And now you're adding more. So I think if I'm the UFC, I'm like, God bless, talk to us in 10 months or so, and then we'll figure it out.

But there's nothing to do. Why would you do anything other than just sit around? And this is like, I'm not a religious person, but like a lot of people, we're talking about, uh, you know, is this religious thing? This is the true test of this. Like, you know, this moment here, like, oh yeah, everything's down. I think that's a, that's a real tech. Like he was talking about it as well,

the devil being there, all that kind of stuff. I think this is a really, really big test of this new version of Connemagra. There's actually a lot of tests, right? I mean, like if he goes down a dark hole, if he loses his mind again, you know, he had his family here. We'll never know what's sincere, what's not, what's real, what's not. Again, he's not the first athlete to start talking about religion out of the blue and

all this stuff and more. But I guess now we're going to see how much, you know, validity there was to all of that stuff. He said in the interview with you that he had hit rock bottom, I'm wondering if this is the new rock bottom for him. This is a different kind of rock bottom, no doubt about it, right? Yeah. Well, I think the foreson was the Nakeda Han, the civil all that stuff. Of course. Yeah. And this is a different kind of rock bottom, but now he's going to be faced with more challenges. I, yeah, I have no idea. Look, we could be wrong. But I said from the beginning, I always felt like he was going to try to fight. again and right now I feel like he's going to try to fight again. If he does, the UFC, I feel,

is in a different position than they were before this fight, right? I think Connor McGregor's value to everybody who has said it so far is a little lower, right? His leverage is a little lower. You have one opportunity potentially left, right? It's either going to, there's only two options with Connor McGregor, if you're the UFC. You have to go all the way in or you have to go all the way out. Previously, I think that decision was a little bit tougher, right? If Conner McGregor comes in looks decent, you probably try to go all the way in. Now, in this position where he has not looked good and you have concerns about his long-term health, regardless of whether you think he can generate a big gate, you're probably getting very few fights out of him. It might make sense for them to go all the

way out. That might be the decision. When you say it all the way out, what do you mean? Out of the business of Connor McGregor. Now, to me, I think the UFC views Connor in this new Paramount plus era with no pay-per-view where Paramount is trying to get as many subs as possible as you know when you have a lemon and you squeeze it a few times and then you go back to it to see how much is left. That's how they view them. But how much is left? I think there's one fight left. Okay.

But then after that, I mean, there's a million things that can happen. What if you win? What if he looks horrible? Then you say it's been a great run. My point is there's nothing really for them to do other than to pick up that lemon in about a year and say how much more can we squeeze out of this because Paramount will surely say this was a good bit of business for us. Totally. But the decision that you make on what the last squeeze of that lemon is is critical. If you put him in position to lose, that's why I think it's Max. So is that

a good or bad? Is that a winnable fight? Is that not a winnable fight? I do not think it's a winnable fight. I just think it's a we run it back and it's just the safe bet. Has this replaced the astrology all of a sudden? Like as in this is the third fight? No, I listen. I'm not saying I care to see. I wasn't that big of a fan of the fight to begin with the booking. I thought it should have been Chandler from the beginning. My point is, it's just kind of like a, hey, this ended unceremoniously. Let's try to fix it and run it back.

It feels like you're putting yourself in worse position if you're the UFC. You either go one of two directions. You do Carlos Prochis and you sacrifice him on the way out. That'll be horrific. That'll be horrific. Or you give him Michael Chandler and hope that he can win the fight. Those are the two options. He has to have some sort of say in the booking,

and I'd like to think that his team would be like, this isn't the smart matchup for us. Not process. Not process, man. What leverage do they have? I think they have some kind of leverage. I think they have some kind of leverage. Oh, here is Carlos Proches.

If I fight against you, I would hurt you bad, bro. I think already don't accept the fight against the McChicken, and I have your legacy already. Now is time of new generation and never cut your hair like this again. the parting shot If you truly only have one left with him That's the fight to make You send him out as

As badly as you possibly can So that he's damaged goods for the next person I really don't know if the team And if you think there's more If there's more than one fight Then you give him a Michael Chandler In a fight that you think that he could potentially win Now maybe there's a reality where there's not a fight

That he can win period right That's a reality that we have to accept that He may just be too broken I just getting through a camp and get through a camp and come into the fight healthy and make it through around from what we heard from everybody this was the best he's in you know and obviously you have to take that every time i honestly feel like this is not the discussion right now the discussion is still what happened on saturday and just how big of a blow it was to the aura that he possesses there were there was enough time between

2020 and 2021 his last you know stretch of fights and now to where a lot of people convince themselves in this country. As we talked about a million times, there's a massive difference in the way the people in this country and the way people in your home country view him. And in this country, they paid $26 million to watch him fight. And they convinced themselves that he could turn back the clock. And now the question is going to be, for me, what do these people now, like when they left on Saturday, did they say, F that guy, I'm never supporting him, I'm not going to be conned again, or would they be interested in going on this, you know, this journey with him if he comes back in a year? And we'll find out.

But it was just, there's so many thoughts. And I don't even know if I'm articulating them the right way. But to see it come crashing down like that after everything was just extreme. Like I said it on Saturday. Ronda versus Gina felt unfulfilling because we had heard so much about Gina's comeback. But in the end, you were like, yeah, like, of course that was the result. This one felt unfulfilling and deflating, not because it was like, yeah, of course Max was going to knock him out. It was because it never even got going.

It was a freak injury that I think could have been avoided to a degree. Would it have happened a minute later if they got into exchange? Maybe. But it just felt... It's like a Shakespearean tragedy here. You know, everybody just trying to want this moment and have to go so wrong. To your point, but like, there was people in Ireland. I don't know a lot of them, but like, say my cousin's son.

He is a teenager, same as your nephew. And he was absolutely buzzing for this. And he sent me a message afterwards. He was like devastated. Like he was so profoundly hurt by this to see, to see him like that, you know? So it's, that's how a lot of Connor McGregor fans are feeling today. Well, there's a lot to discuss as far as the injury is concerned because still, this is so very fresh.

It is so very stretch. Stretch. Stay right here guys for a second. So very fresh. Excuse me. And we are lucky enough to be joined by the doctor who I think broke it down better than everyone. I think that he was kind enough on Saturday to give us some intel, but I wanted to get a little more intel from him. There he is, Dr. Brian Suterer, kind enough to join us on this Monday afternoon during his lunch break.

Can you hear me, doctor? Can you hear me? It sounds like he can't hear me. Can you hear me? Frank, it sounds like he can hear me. So let's see. Give me a thumbs up if you can hear me at some point. No, not yet.

Okay, okay. We're back. Those transitions, eh? By the way, that's why I wanted you guys to stay here. Good call. You guys are. That's why they pay you the big books, man. We're doing this from our makeshift studio in Lost Wages, Nevada.

But Dr. Brian. Every time. Dr. Brian is amazing when it comes to breaking this stuff down. And I just wanted to get his expert opinion. As of right now, as we say, Conradger said, surgery, but we don't know for what. Clearly it was the right knee. But we don't know if it's meniscus. ACL.

It could be meniscus and. ACL, by the way. It could be all those things. He had initially told me when we were talking in the post-fight show that he thought it was going to be the meniscus because it didn't seem as severe and based on the contortions, based on the, I don't know anything about this stuff, but we had just seen Carlos Alberg fight through a torn ACL, which by the way, bad timing as well, because you saw one guy win a fight on a torn ACL and now you see Connor not being able to overcome that when he was able to overcome it 13 years ago as well and people are like ah well that's that's you couldn't dig down deep it's another nod yeah i was i saw i was like pretty much in that camp watching him get ready for that fight on

one leg and it's one of the most impressive things you'll ever see in life and this is why it's so hard for people to just let go of that like that run is the greatest run in the history of the sport they just want they look of videos of it and again these younger fans were talking about who they didn't experience instagram reels these shorts and they're like oh my god this is what the ufc was like when this guy was on top of the world they just wanted it so much and What's the reaction back home? Today, the newspapers, not a lot of coverage at all in the buildup to it. There was obviously social media, people commenting on it a lot.

I woke up on Sunday and I was running around trying to find Irish people around here pretty much unsuccessful. The last diary piece has just gone up. But to see the outpouring of joy for what had happened was... In the papers? No, no. On social media influencers, all this kind of stuff. And the amount of people sharing things, you know, like a victory lap of sorts because he had lost in this way was pretty crazy.

The papers this morning, there was featured in the star, the mirror, the independent, and the Evening Herald, and just pretty much the tone of the articles was McGregor collapses during his comeback fight and the real question is, will he ever fight again? And I think that's probably the way you would sum it up if you were writing this for a newspaper, right? Because you have to remember, we have no Sunday coverage in the newspapers because it was deep into Sunday. So they've missed the deadline print.

So this is the reaction to it. But I was getting like, my dad was calling me this week and he was like, mate, I haven't even heard them talk about this on the radio. You know, this used to be like they'd have a guy update and like, the way in's just happened. He looks like this. The press conference, he's after saying this at the press conference. He had open workouts, all this stuff.

He's like, if you went over there, I wouldn't know this was happening. That is crazy. I mean, there was, I obviously wasn't here in Las Vegas during the mania of Connor McGregor's run up to his double championship status. there was no Irish fans here. I did not see any Irish fans. And it was one of you asked some people with an Irish flag, and they were like, oh, yeah, we're from Ohio.

Chuck did it. Chuck stopped everyone. You met some fans. Remember you said with the tattoo on them just after the sphere that night? I know we met Aaron, who was with Sean Abandon. She was obviously working over at this. I think there was a couple of Irish there, but I haven't seen any of them. And to think about what it was like.

It was like an ocean. As I said to you. I've seen the video. I'm walking through the MGM and I'm meeting my neighbors. Oh, how you do, Pete? Oh, how are you? Like that's, it was, like, I think there was like, we, I was in a, in a class of like 300 people, the, the, my, my high school or whatever. I think like 50 of them were here. Like, that's, that's insane. Were you surprised by that? No, back in the day. No, no, no, were you surprised that there was so much less. No. I've been talking to this for very long time. Yeah. It would have been surprising if it was the opposite. Yeah. But you doubt yourself, you know, when you go up to it, maybe I'm wrong, you know, and then you see it. And I'll tell you what there was a lot of. And I don't think this helped. And Connor Eater. Paddy was just so fucking good on Saturday. And he comes away looking like the future

and McGregor looks very much like the past. And because they came back to back with each other, you have this wildly energetic, unique, charismatic guy, everything McGregor used to be coming out before him and then automatically we're contrasting this walkout of Connors to, well, certainly I was, to him back in the day. I don't think that really helped him either because the images of Patty were so vivid. You know, and then you have the video of Patty watching it backstage being like, oh, he's gone. Oh, he's already finished. And it's like, yeah, that's what Connor would have done back in the day. Hold that thought for a second. Ray, can you go to the back and see what's going on? One thing that I just, because we're here makeshift, but we have to talk

about this. Maybe I just leave my phone on and he can hear me and answer via Zoom, but the doctor has a hard out, which is in 10 minutes, so I don't want to lose him here and just get his thoughts. Maybe I just even lay out and he can describe it for us, but let's try to get on that as soon as possible because I want him to be able to go back to saving the world. He is an actual doctor. Patty Pimbley was unbelievable, and I said earlier that I think he is top three biggest, like the faces of the UFC.

Obviously there's Islam out there, there's I would put Patti up there with any of those guys. And I know social media, like Instagram, he doesn't have as many followers. People love Patty Pimbleau. He is massive. He takes over the arena, everything like that. And to Patty,

Patty's point, it feels like he is the future. You set something on the watch party on Saturday, Ptsey, where you were essentially like everything McGregor does is sort of trying to sell the past. And it feels like the juxtaposition of him and Patty. Patty, it was doing what Connor was doing 10 years ago now. And even like the crowd involvement, as you mentioned, that the watch party are, like he has people singing along,

doing a dance. Like this is like a new age star compared to the wig. Yeah. His whole demeanor as he goes out there, it's unbelievable. And it feels effortless, right? Like when he speaks, like we've all, Look, this whole week has been comparing McGregor and his prime to what he was. Paddy has that effortless just up, shooting the shit.

I say funny things all of a time. I'm not nervous. And also to your point, earlier, about the stars. If you think about the biggest stars in the game right now, obviously Islam is on an unbelievable windstreet, but Elia coming off of a bad, brutal loss, Alex Barrera coming off of a bad, brutal loss, Hamza Tremayev getting his belt taken from Sean Strickland. He's up there. And he's got the same thing in terms of, like, look at him bringing true Luke Roily here.

Everyone wants to know what else is coming out at a gym like SPG 10 years ago. You know, there's a lot of parallels between these two guys. It helps that Luke Riley is doing the thing Savage. Man, but people forget how excited people are about like Patty Hewlin and Carl Pendred.

Like, Carl Pindra was 4 and O in the UFC one, but he didn't have the exciting style like Connor did. But people were buzzing about this stuff. I remember Dublin. He was fighting in Mexico and a whole bar in the center of Dublin just completely wrapped. to watch Carl Vendrit fight.

Like that is the type of thing. When you have a star, like a North Star like Patty seems to be, everything can happen. And he also has the people of Liverpool will get behind him. They'll already traveling. When I was in that Irish bar looking for the Irish on Sunday, there's an Irish woman working behind the bar in the place. And she was like, oh, should have seen the English here yesterday. Like, what are they doing here?

And I was like, where were they from? Oh, there were so many from Liverpool like here. And I was like, oh, shit. Like Patty's already bringing in. an army of people and like taking over the strip. Like if he continues to put things together, who's to say we won't have, you know,

thousands and thousands of people from Liverpool coming over like we saw Ricky Hatton back in the day. And of course, Connor more 10 years ago. Okay, I'm going to try something here. It's a little makeshift. So apologies, it's our only Zoom interview,

but I really wanted to hear from Dr. Brian. I'm going to call Dr. Brian right now. We have him on the screen and I just want him to hear my question. And then we mute. And so there's no feedback. And so we're going to try this. Dr. Brian, you can't hear me, but I'm calling you right now, Dr. Brian.

Do you hear that? It says calling, okay? I think it's ringing. I think it's ringing. Do you hear me now? The phone, your phone. I'm calling you right now. Do you have your phone?

Can you tell him that I'm calling him? Can anyone talk to him? Well, why isn't he reacting? Can someone, just say, pick up your phone. Dr. Brian. Okay, now we see you. We're makeshifting this, but it's all good. I'm going to talk to you through here,

and then you're going to talk to me through the Zoom. Does that work? Okay, but I don't hear him in my ears. Guys, guys, I don't hear him in my ears. Okay. You know, we tried. We tried. Flashback to yesterday when I said, you know, guys,

how's the Zoom? But we're trying. We're working through the kinks here. Fair play. Fair play, man. You're trying. We're trying. We wanted to get the doctor on.

It's tough. Honestly, I don't really have to ask him a lot of questions. I just want to hear from him. Two questions. Two questions. Sure. Do we have audio? Oh, like this?

Okay. All right. Well, just show his face. Got it. Okay. We're going real old school here. Oh, this sounds good, though. This is nice.

Tell me to holly? There we go. Can you hear me now? Yes, we're going to do this real old school, doctor, okay? Because we want the information. With all due respect to you, we don't have you on for your good looks. We have you on for the info. So the info is good enough, right? Sorry about this.

I appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, that's okay. We're not in our usual studio. We're in Las Vegas, obviously covering the fight. You've done a phenomenal job of breaking everything down. Can you tell us, I'm going to sort of ask you simple questions, and I want to hear from you. When you saw what happened on Saturday, what was your initial thought as far as what the injury could have been? The initial thought was definitely ACL.

I think that position, you know, enough of us have watched sports events and injuries and seen replays that you see that awkward land, you see the knee kind of rotate, you see that almost a little bit of buckling in the knee and everybody assumes the worst assumes ACL. So my first thought, just seeing the first replay was ACL. What I'm always looking for when I'm concerned about an ACL is that ACL, its job is to keep your shin bone from going forward past your femur. And so what you'll see, we saw this really well with Carlos Oldberg when he had his. Sometimes when that ACL pairs, what you'll see is the shin actually shift forward and then all of a sudden kind of pop back into place.

We did not see that clearly with McGregor. And so when I went back and watched the replays in slower Mo and it really went through kind of frame by frame, I felt a little bit more positive because we didn't see that clear shift of the tibia like we've seen in other cases. We saw this with Aspinall on his replay. And so the optimist in me wants to hope that this is not as severe as an ACL tear. The other possibility that comes to mind would be a meniscus, the meniscus or the little cartilage paths that sit inside the joint. And that can also get torn with the same sort of position and mechanism.

Warriors fans, I might remember James Wiseman a number of years ago. This was how he kind of landed similarly and tore his meniscus. So I'm hopeful that this is just a meniscus tear. But I think he certainly have to be prepared for the possibility that it's an ACL as well. If it's just a meniscus, does that mean surgery? It can. At an athlete at his level, it likely does mean surgery. The difference is what type of surgery.

So there's two ways to do surgery for a torn meniscus. The ideal way to do surgery for a torn meniscus, if you can salvage the tissue, is to actually repair the meniscus. So go in and actually take stitches and sew back the torn pieces of the tissue. That gives your knee the best chance of long-term, having as close to normal biomechanics and stability as it can. In some cases, the meniscus tissue cannot be sewn back together.

It's just not viable enough to take in those sutures and to heal well. And so in those cases, that's when they'll do a meniscus trim, also called a meniskechemy. And those are two very different recovery timelines. The meniskeptomy, the meniscus trim surgery, you might be vacuuming sports in four to six weeks. The meniscus repair surgery involves more time on crutches, closer to like a three to six months. recovery window. So it's tough because the meniscus trim, the athlete gets back quicker, but might have a worse long-term outcome. The meniscus repair, they don't get back as quickly, but hopefully have a better long-term outcome. And often you don't know until the surgeon goes in there

and actually seize the tissue, seize the tear, which of the two they're going to do. They always try to repair the meniscus if they can. It's just a matter of if it's able to be repaired or just has to be kind of trimmed out, like cut off a torn hang nail. A lot of videos circulating conspiracies that he was injured going in. He's saying he wasn't based on the things you saw, the way he was moving, taking off the shoes, the way ends, all that stuff and more. Do you think that he was dealing with something? I'm not convinced. I think it's definitely possible only because of that clip with taking off the shoes.

Now again, we saw that clip after we saw him injured. And so we were already going into seeing that clip with kind of this inherent bias of, well, was something going on before. I think if, you know, it's funny, I think was it Aspinall that was watching and kind of in real time commented on, oh, what was that? You know, like, saw him stumble. So when I just saw that, I thought, yeah, I mean, certainly looks plausible, like someone who's trying to avoid, you know, doing something else to their right thing. But then you see the video of him throwing all those kicks backstage, like, well, he's warming up and think, oh, okay, well, actually, that looks pretty darn good. So I think it's definitely possible. I don't think I would put strong money on it one way or the other.

I mean, these guys, you got to remember, too, right? I'm sure you know from covering the sport. These guys are probably all coming into the fight with some sort of an injury. You know, there's a very wide spectrum of bumps and bruises. And, you know, at McGregor's age, it wouldn't be unheard of to have an old meniscus injury in his knee, even that maybe got worse. So there's a very wide spectrum of what would even count as having an injury beforehand or not. I certainly don't think he had an ACL tear.

I mean, if we find out this is a torn ACL, I don't think there's any way he had a torn ACL before the fight. I think if anything was present to a significant degree before the fight, it would have been a meniscus injury. I'll let you go in a second. I know you have to get back to actually doing your day job and really appreciate you working through the kinks with us here. The last thing I wanted to ask you, Dr. before I let you go, was obviously there had been reports New York Times leading the charge regarding, you know, substances, performance enhancers, steroids, things of that nature. And it has been, you know, brought up that this can break down your body. This can lead to injuries. What do you make of that? And what can you tell us? us about that? Is that a fair theory to throw out there? I don't think so in his case, to be completely honest. I think there is certainly some long-term side effects, you know, if these performance and

hissing substances, whatever it may be, you know, are used incorrectly or used for too long, you can't definitely have subsequent effects on the tissue. You know, the classic teaching there and thought is that, well, if you're using, for example, a bunch of anabolic steroids, that makes your muscles grow and get stronger faster than the tendons can accommodate. And so therefore, you may be at higher risk of something like a tendon injury, like a peck tendon injury and a bodybuilder. I think when it comes to the actual ligaments like the ACL, the meniscus, I would have a hard time drawing a direct correlation between the two.

And so I think I would probably put those rumors to rest and kind of quell those much faster, certainly, than the question of was their initial injury beforehand or not. if it's an ACL, if it's a meniscus, and surgery's required, we're thinking like, you know, 10 to 12 months before he can come back again, right? Yeah, if it's an ACL, you're probably looking at 10 to 12 months. And I will say a much harder recovery than what he went through with his leg. You know, it's ironic that leg injury certainly looks worse, it looks more gruesome, it sounds more severe to say you recovered from a broken leg.

But actually your body does a pretty good job of healing bones. I mean, you put a rod through there, you fix the fracture, and assuming there's no infection and things actually recover. He'll pretty darn quick and pretty reliable. What's hard about the ACL is trying to train the surrounding muscles to train everything outside of that legament. You know, going in and a surgeon reconstructing that ACL is kind of the easy part of it. It's the subsequent months of rehab and retraining to get that stability, that function in your

knee that is much, much harder for an athlete. So if this is an ACL definitely harder recovery than what he went through with his knee, the meniscus would really just depend on what they do. I mean, if it's as simple as something that they go, and just trim out. You know, we could see him back sparring in six weeks and, you know, ready to fight before the end of the year. If he's a 39-year-old coming off an ACL surgery, would you advise him to fight again?

I would certainly not keep him from fighting. You know, I've seen and talked with athletes with far worse injuries, continue their sports at varying levels. Lindsay gone, right? Right. No, recent example, not that I talked to her, but, right, we've seen kind of the extreme in her case. And so all you can do is you give them the pros, the cons. You talk about the risks.

You talk about what possibilities could be there, and then you give him all the support that you can to help accomplish their goals, whatever they may be. I don't think there'd be any reason it would be dangerous for him to continue fighting, especially if he has a good recovery, no matter what the case may be. It just as certainly as we get older, it's harder to have an optimal recovery

compared to say if this had happened when he was 21 years old. Thank you so much, Dr. Kent, thank you enough. Really, really great insight, and I urge everyone to check out your YouTube channel. 1.5 million views on that bad boy, doctor. Great job. Crazy. Yeah, thank you so much. Thank you. Really appreciate it. Sorry about the Zoom issues, but appreciate you working through it with us.

Yeah, that's all right. Have a good rest of your day. There he is. The great Dr. Brian Suterer. Go check out his YouTube channel. Old school right there. I used to do that back in the day in Syracuse. I had a phone that couldn't make outgoing calls way back in 2001, and I would have to get my mom or my sister to call guests and then call me on conference. And then I would pick up the phone and I would say, hello? Is this Bobby the Bray? Brain Heanin? Well, yes, it is. And we would speak for about an hour, an hour and a half. And that felt like an old school w-E-R-W.sYR-R-D-U phone call from the old main event days, the great white northern sports show days. So we wanted the intel. We wanted the insight. He provides it.

And like I said, we don't have them on because of his good looks. He's a great-looking guy. But I appreciate everyone trying their damnedest back there. And I know everyone is very excited to get back to our usual New York City studio where everything is our own and we know how to push all the buttons and everything works. But it's been amazing being here at the Phoenician sports book. I heard a knock on the door. Is our next guest here? Did I hear that correct? Yes, I do. Is he actually here? Is he actually? Okay. All right. Let's a little ding-dong ditch. Yes, a matter of seconds, first in studio guest. Then we're going to be joined by Robert Whitaker.

Then we're going to be joined by Paulo Costa. We'll hear more from the boys as well. As we wrap up our time here in Las Vegas, Monday morning in Vegas, ain't quite Friday afternoon in Vegas, if you know what I'm saying. Is he here? Is he actually here? Well, you're going back again. There he is.

Hello, sir. How are you? Have a seat, please. You know, is everything. There he is. you look fantastic by the way normally on a podcast you have microphone set up well we're doing we're working through the kinks here ma'am how are you great band never met him i'm doing fine man what an electric weekend it was amazing enjoyed the silence can i say something we were talking

about this before i think this is our first in studio chat yeah i notice the table is uh naked but for a few key components there are some breakables over there no no no no we don't want that but it's been it's been a long time 14 years are we like anteing up here pretty soon i can't wait uh no vittamese dealers no you don't like that well i mean statistically okay okay how are you it's good to see you i'm doing great man i'm great i'm like really happy to be here what a great this is fun right bennishan our last show i saw you at the world mma awards i know you were in town and I think you changed your travel to stay next day. Correct. Thank you for doing that.

I mean, the nose knows. No corolla show today? No corolla show today. No, I intermittently on there as a guest now. Graduated from Newsman. Okay. Yeah, so I shout out to you guys over there on the internet. Okay, so we have a lot to talk about, ma'am.

I actually really wanted to get your insight on a whole bunch of things, and I think you're the perfect person to talk about this. Stooder on earlier. Yeah, I didn't catch what his diagnosis was, although he didn't treat the patient. He did not. But I want to ask you, were you there? Yes. Okay.

Wow. It was great. Yeah. You got tickets, huh? Yeah, of course. Yeah. Sweet. You know what I mean?

Sweet. How much you pay for that? I don't know. How much money does that cost these days? It doesn't matter. Max Holloway, erased the debt. What was the vibe like? Tell us about the vibe.

Man, electric. You know, I got some of my Marines on my side at some point. You know what I mean? And we were just holding it down the perimeter. And I felt so happy watching that. Even the fact that the. main event kind of went wonky. No pay-per-view that you got to complain about.

So what do you got? You already had CBS. Yeah. So everybody saw that and it was great and it answered a question. You know, it was Connor McGregor, a bit too old to be doing flying jump kicks? I think so. What do you make of that decision? The decision to start the fight like that.

Jump kick? Hey, it worked out for Fabricia Verdoom, a flying sidekick. You remember that? Yes. Oh, that made him a fan favorite forever. So, yeah, Fabricia worked it. out, I just think that that's a high amplitude move, like used for, you got to warm up to your special.

That's what I'm saying. If you're in the back kicking pads with a flying kick and, you know, and then that's the first move to fight, 25, no problem. 30 years old, maybe no problem. But high amplitude jump kick from Connor McGregor is old on 38, especially with the layoff. Layoff is a big deal. Like, how would you have started? Think about it.

Most of his career was spent as a much smaller man. 45, right? Yeah, 45, 55, yeah. Jumping sidekick now's got a 30 extra pounds on it, right? It's just science. You know, the ligaments are not meant to be stretched that far and that often. Why do you think he did that? Well, I think that was a clever move, actually.

Really? Yeah. Why? if Max studied tape, he'd never done that one. You know what I mean? So every fighter gets in there. I mean, most every, I don't know how Max training camp is, but I think I fought his uncle before.

Is it true? Yeah, yeah. One of his uncles is, yeah. Wow. Yeah, so anyway, the guy studied the tape, and every coach would be like, oh, bra, I can just imagine. Oh, bra, he's come out with the jobs

and then switch kick, bra. and you know I don't think that he was expecting this flying psychic now it was a gamble did it pay off not for Connor McGregor so there's a lot of conspiracies he was hurt before he didn't want to fight like where do you land on all of this oh yeah I mean doubtful only because we see those you know magic of the internet you had him doing those flying sidekicks in the back you know he warmed up yeah yeah yeah so if you have a damage ACL or what he probably has now a bucket handle tear of the lateral meniscus. He's likely not jump kicking like that in the back. Right.

He'll be babying it and then go do that stupid stuff. But it was a gamble. If he would have kicked Max in the face real good, and that was in Connor's head, too, by the way. What do you mean? In the first fight, Max dropped O'Connor with the high kick, right? And I sat him down. He mentioned that at the press conference.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Connor got that in his head And immediately went to the dressing room Started working on that high kick He's like I'm gonna get him kick him in the face I think that that's what made Max so a great a champion He's like he had that Michael Jordan mindset Like angry mentality where oh he took that personal

I'm gonna kick you in the face Max You know that's my Sure sure sure sure Of course and there's a lot of speculation going on here Unless we hear from him But no no conspiracy wise nah man max showed up the best he could and, you know, put on a lot of muscle mass and blew out his knee, allegedly.

And so 13 years ago, Connor tears his ACL in the max fight, fights through it, wins. Yeah. We just saw Carlos Selleberg, tear his ACL and knock out your... I know, I fought three rounds. Old C.V. Dolly way,

then the same thing. But, you know... And so how do you react to see them? That was not like a gutted out kind of thing. It looked like the knee was... Like, it was locked. Yeah. Which happens in like a buck-a-handle-tailed tear,

like you rip up the... top of your, you know, there's that pad between your knee, between your leg. Yeah, yeah. And that thing can get like ripped and then stuck. It looked like it was stuck. It was like functionally non-functional. And so do you say, ah, man, you should have gutted it out? Or do you understand him being like, I can't do that.

He was trying. Yeah. He tried, I think. And then when he realized my leg is locked in this awkward position, I mean, Max Holloway is a man of God. because he noticed immediately, he was like, yo, bra. How do you feel about that, him doing that, and not, not pouncing on him?

It's so interesting that we have kind of the two extremes in that fight, where it's like a humble warrior versus the brash knight, you know. It's like that personality, and then you see it there in the octagon, this Max Holloway, immediately recognized distress and was like, yeah, I won, and was able to be merciful. What did you make of his demeanor walking to the cage? Great, yeah.

Connor. Oh, yeah. Subdued, huh? A little bit. Doubting himself? Not as fiery. Yeah. Did you notice that in the moment?

Yeah. Okay, really, you can notice. I did, I did. Okay. It's like the betting line in your head starts jumping up and down, right? I mean, you watch those are packages. You see Mack doing all these kicks and crazy switch stance and punching. And you're like, oh, man, maybe I made a mistake here, you know?

But then, you know, the walkout, you're like, oh, or the interview, like, oh, okay, this is an older McGregor. Yeah. And that's just time, you know. Can he have a good career from here? Yeah. You think so? Yeah, I think he could have some good highlight fights.

We still want to see him. People in America only remember about six fighters' names. Right. So he's the most memorable one. So do you think he comes back? Well, yeah. I think for something, is that the last fight of the contract? One more, one more, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. not bring poirier back in the mix let's just have like whatever weight you guys want fight what about max again like it was it was inconclusive it kind of was very much was kind of why kind of well because the age was the factor you tried you gambled mac you lost yeah this time you lost you know that jumping kick kind of a desperate attempt to get a knock out early like he has the magic to do but his body didn't hold up you know That was the biggest factor going in there because, you know, 33 to 34 is not a big age gap. But 34 to 38 is a large age gap.

Do I got the ages right? Yeah, he's about to turn 38. So if he has surgery here on an ACL, 39. 40 years old, you know what I mean? 40-year-old McGregor? With a now torn ACL with a broken leg, with a torn ACL on the other leg as well. Well, that's the business. That's what you sign up for to go do surgery and go back again.

go do surgery and go back again. But this is a guy who's supremely rich, who has a lot of things. You need to want that, you know, like that thing inside you to rehab, train again, do all that. Well, I mean, there's a possible,

he didn't think that he would make it to this fight. Everyone was complaining, whatever this guy's too rich. The kid just don't want to fight. Yeah. But no, he does. Got the warrior mentality. You can't take that away from Connor McGregor.

What was the atmosphere like when he walked out because on television, it seemed like it was hotter for Patty than for him? And I don't understand that. No? Patty was a star is born, buddy. Yeah. Did the dance and everything?

Yeah. I think that's going viral. At least last night it did. Did you love him? Did you love what you saw? Loved it. Loved it. I thought that maybe it would go the other way.

Yeah. Because I didn't do a lot of research. I think a lot of people did. Vegas did. But, you know, I thought this San Deney would be very disciplined and sort of like, no, he like got caught up in the moment. Why the hell did he do that? Ah, because he thinks he could wear him out.

Like in likelihood was that. That's what I think a lot of people were counting on, that he'll box him and he skipped that part. He like got anxious and skipped that part because he just wanted to get him down because he feels comfortable in that, in the guard. He being petty. Sorry, no, no.

Benoit. Benoit feels comfortable taking someone down and laying in their guard to wear him out a bit. And then like, okay, now we can box standing up. you know like now he can do a little he's like sort of a i don't know like a french like those frenchmen you know what i mean it's a good strategy okay strategy but he's just that first one and bad he recognized it he must have been watching tape on that because it's just like i think got to rename that joke again beautiful right yeah beautiful what do you think of the technique great great well you know i was

shocked at the strength like a pure strength yeah arm conditioning a lot of mma fighters don't have this type of aren't like be able to hang on really tight for a long time like for because most of the game because there's no ghee or no grip that is like a slippery game where it's like a lot of punchy a lot of but he had like the muscular endurance to hold in that weird position for a good what minute yeah and that's the whole fight unbelievable yeah unbelievable I mean believable I just underestimated patty's jiu jitsu ability because I've been on show case here and there, right? He's got some submission but you know, you think that the knee would be too

like clever for that or like, no, no, it's not about clever as just this technique counters that technique. You know, you're counter wrestling with Jiu-Jitsu. Patty did it, wrapped them up like a gift package and set him out at the Oscars. Was the pop huge for him? Big, big, yeah. It felt like... And then when he jumped up and got his celebration on, it was nice. like, and danced again.

Tucker Carlson, Vince Vaughn. Echoed out through there. It echoed out through. And I'm not a sweet, like, overlooked and like Caesar. So I just get to see the entire crowd and the guy right there in the ring. Oh, man. It was beautiful. It was beautiful.

I think he's one of the top three biggest stars in the East. I say a cliche. I was like, a star is born. Yeah, yeah. You know? I feel that way, especially considering what happened to him in his last fight. Well, look, those mumbled mouths at the press conference couldn't understand half a word they were saying between each other

Connor McGregor and Hill. I was like, I was the draft, and look, I come back, didn't happen. I'm like, yo, man, English, mu-bub! Yeah. So it was pretty cute to see, like, did you go to the presser?

Yeah, yeah. You did? Well, I was there for Dominic Cruz Hall of Fame induction, man. Okay, and they had it right after. It was great. You went for Dominic Cruises induction. Of course.

You're that tight with him. Yeah, love and war. Yeah. Feature on there all the time. It's a beautiful program. I suggest you guys watch it. Yes. But, yeah, Dom is one of the most leading experts

and making some martial arts, so it's real nice to sit with him all the time. Yes. And, man, he's a damn gentleman, through and through. You know, having me over to the ceremony, and we, you know, you don't think you'll get emotional or, like, you know, like a tough guy choked up, like, but you do, man, seeing him go to the Hall of Pain.

That and we're sitting behind old, Longos boys freaking, oh my God, they were just maniacs. Who, like John Valenti? Yeah, Valante. Bro, it wasn't even like 3.30s. This guy had his shirt off, nipples showing a bear chest hair out.

I'm like, hey, man, who is that? I forgot who he looks different. He's bigger yet. But yeah, that was a blast. Did you like the Hall of Fame? Yes, yes. The production value of it, pretty shocking.

Like, I was like, oh, wow. Where's Bradley Cooper? No, because there's, I have long felt like there should be an MMA Hall of Fame. An independent MMA Hall of Fame. Oh, I understand, yeah. We don't have one. This is obviously the closest thing to it.

Well, I got to tell you, I mean, on par with the MMA awards, but albeit in a smaller venue. Yeah. Or I'm, excuse me, backwards. That Hall of Fame ceremony, big huge venue, good stage production. But over there, MMA Awards, a little smaller venue, like tighter is like industry only right if you're not open to the public and it was great you know production chale sonner on the microphone doing the whole johnny carson it was awesome man you enjoyed

that as well i saw you there yeah yeah i saw you like standing at one point and i wasn't sure what you were about to do were you about to oh man nick dyes dropped out and i they were going to have me do the um some award you know but yes you and dyes were going to be there no well i don't know i i I don't know. I heard that Diaz had fell out with a thing and they were going to put me as a replacement. But there was, I don't know, somebody else. They already had a backup, but I was the backup to the backup that night. You know, I was ready to read a teleprompter.

You guys got one? No, we don't do teleprompters here. Yeah, no. Because I don't need it. If you saw Nick, how would that go? I think I'd dab him up. I don't know. It depends.

When's the last time you saw him? Who has a water bottle in there. Yeah. When's the last time you spoke to him? No, I don't know. I don't. Nashville, 2010? Yeah, maybe, yeah.

Is that true? You never saw them around town? I think our last words might have been spicy at each other. Okay. Is that what that means? Like cuss words? Pointed.

Pointed language? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you think if you saw them would be all good? Look, man, I don't know. Yeah. For my side, hell yeah, definitely. I think we've both been through the fire before,

so is an interesting kinship that you have with your brothers in mixed martial arts. Of course. Going back to the Hall of Fame for a moment, would you like to see that one day, an MMA Hall of Fame? Yeah, undoubtedly it would be nice. I think it's good that the UFC does theirs. It's good for branding and marketing and a smart move for the industry. You know, it was good to see the fans turn out for this.

Yeah. Because, you know, that's like a boring kind of nerd thing to do. there's nothing on the line exactly, but we're just showing our respect to the martial artists that, you know, came before. I love it. I wish it was a bigger deal. Like, WWE does a good job with their Hall of Fame.

Really? They do a really good job, and I think UFC's taking a page, but I just wish that, you know, guys like you, Fador Emilienenko, who had great careers outside of the UFC get recognized as well. Like, there's got to be a place for that.

Tell the story of the sport. I didn't really do the sport for the recognition. No, I know, but it's nice now. Rampage Jackson, Frank Shamrock. These people aren't in... Rampage Jackson. Got all the recognition that needs out there. I'm just saying you are Hallfamers, in my opinion.

Oh, thanks. Including you. Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. I believe it. I feel it. Yeah, yeah.

I had a great career outside the UFC. It's a very strange tale. It's back when you could do that and make a bunch of money and carve your own path in that way. But, you know, nowadays, maybe the paradigm is shifting again. UFC is like on a normal television network. You know, there's new things being strong. out all the time. It looks like MVP got in there.

Seeing it in Ghanu. You were at that show. Man, I walked in right as he was glistening, looking like a golden god. Man, that was wild, you know. And to see it in that arena, into a dome, but it's a great venue, man.

Can you confirm that there were actual people in the building? Oh, no. I cannot confirm anything. Actually, I was helping the CGI team to formulate a packed crowd. What was it like for you? Were you impressed with the show? I was taking pictures with, you know, animatronic dolphins and whatnot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dolphins fans, you know. Sure. Did you enjoy the production? Did you enjoy the show? Yeah, but I had some notes, you know. It didn't flow. Tell me.

It was too long. I love you sort of being the strange Cocell in the film. Like, what the hell? But they're putting this part on the, okay, I see what's happening. I like that because you ask a man who. who barely speaks English, a six-point question. Not that in God who doesn't speak English, but when you have the damn his French accent

in the echoey-intuit dome, he's like, I was like, yo, man, did he teach Charlie Brown? But, you know, other than that, yeah, your part sucked, but the rest was pretty good. Oh, wow, I'm just kidding. I like the in-depth thing, but I just knew that that was for the Netflix.

home viewer. Yeah. Meanwhile, you couldn't hear it in the crowd. Really? We were like shifting and looking at it. I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

What was Francis saying? It wasn't like I had a dog smack ticket. I was like right on the floor there. Wow. We're all like looking at each other going and you were right there. That's the frustrating part. Yeah. I could see your lips moving, but I could not make out where you're saying.

For me it was funny because I got a lot of heat for all that. And it was like people thought that I just decided to go long. A lot of heat for that, man. Speaking of, I was. I was in the damn pool 108 degrees, like 12 degrees. Vegas got hotter, man. It did get hotter.

Man, what happened? Like in general? Yes. Yeah, it was pretty hot this week. Right. What do you make of Vegas on a Monday morning? It's different, huh? Casual, you know what I'm saying?

Only the degenerates. It's like pure. I kind of... You like it? Yeah, they're putting their slot work in. Yeah. Some of this lady had like the smoothest maneuver, like big shoes on a hot streak.

So, like, she just had her gentle button-tapping finger ready, like you're soft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. These are like the real players. That's what I'm saying. This isn't like the Friday afternoon. I got a whole system. It works out. Oh, I've actually never done it. Oh, well, that's a shame. We're good. Is that against you?

Are you, no, I just. Oh, I was just checking. Yeah. Is it against yours? I don't know. No. Are you religious? Sure. Which religion? What does that represent? Oh, Islam? Is that Islam on your head?

Yeah, yeah. Serious? Oh, yeah. I got you guys on this one on my arm here. You got the, is you just have all the... You're gonna hit on me this hard, bro. You know what, you got to buy me dinner. No, I know. I didn't know you. Salam al-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-lac-sala.

When did you get that? I don't know. When C.R. Bada, who Zaro was trading somewhere. Yeah. Who? Oh, C.R. Bard? Yeah. Yeah.

I haven't heard his name in. Great bro, yeah. From Afghanistan. Jim in freaking Virginia. Ah, he's an Afghani Dutchman. He ran out of Afghanistan. That's right. The Pellerman was after him.

For real. Yeah, yeah. Great kickboxer. Yeah. What a time that was. Yeah, hell yeah. Can I go back to something that Dominic Cruz said on the post show that I wonder if you... I missed it.

I was out there in the suite, like, trying not to let the guys throw up over the balcony. Who? I don't know. Them Marines had them beers quick. They were, yeah. They heard his open bar and God bless America, they used their Second Amendment. Sure. What amendment?

Freedom of drink? I have the 18th. I don't remember which. amendment it is but they used it i thought his commentary was very stute on connor mcgregor he said basically Connor needed to save his life he was going down a a dark you know deep spiral a lot of money cost them a lot of fans i think you know i think that's the win here for connor mcgregor is that he like got his life back it looks like and didn't and mixed martial arts focus now he has a long road ahead of him of recovery whatever that is but i you know he has technology and a

warrior spirit. That guy got there not just because he's funny because he worked really hard at the sport. And so what was interesting about, hey, Esther Lin is here. Shout out to all elbows. Legend. There she is. The old gang. You know, so what he said was he felt like he needed martial arts to save his life. That's why, because everyone kept asking him, why are you coming back? What's the motivation? I asked him as well. And he said, in love of the game. And at first, it's like, really is the love of the game or is it the paycheck? But Dom's take was, He needed to save his life. Martial arts saved his life originally.

He had to go back to that thing. And now his life has come crashing down again. Not crashed down again. Because it seemed pretty dark. Do you see his tweet yesterday? He ripped his knee off. Yeah, he's going to cry and be, yeah. The worst day of his life is probably today.

And then tomorrow will be worse than that. And then again, it's going to go down for him for a little while, but he'll bounce back. Like once he starts to get the surgery, if he's not rushed in there all already. You better be in an MRI as we speak. It's Monday. So once he gets that going and can like walking, he'll he'll get back. He's humbled now. He realizes, hey, you know, Irish is stubborn. You know, I got some of that in me. Stubborn, I bet, because this man broke his leg and then immediately tries the wildest kick maneuver with the same leg, no? Different leg. Different leg. It's the right. Oh, my gosh.

So now that makes me think some type of thought like he was favoring this leg for so long. He wore that one out. Yeah, that's it. So when, oh, goodness. Well, like I said, I think the warrior spirit will prevail because he's already rich as hell and keep fighting it. Floyd Mayweather, you know, he's rich and then fought Floyd. Then he's super rich.

And then, you know, come back and fight, you know, later. He did training camp for Mike Chandler too. I know he wanted that fight. I think that's an advantageous matchup for him. So I think that Connor definitely wanted that and he trained for it. But he broke his pinky. And, you know, he didn't want to fight without a pinky. I would have cut it off personally.

Yeah. No, I hear that the pinky toe is actually the worst one to break. Oh, hell yeah, it is. Yeah, that's why we do it. Right, right. Do what? Cut it off? If need be?

What? Yeah. Is everything okay? Yeah, no problem. Okay. Can you sympathize with that? that sentiment what martial arts saving your life from the deal yeah does it does it really do that and how man look if you're committed committed you know especially a professional fight team or even like

serious amateur guys you're in the room like that you're doing the hard work day in day out you got a built-in family right there those dudes like supporting you you got somebody to talk to you know even if it's just Uncle Mayhem, you know? So it becomes a new, you know, you got your family at home. You got your, I got my work family. Yeah, yeah. Not really. It's like tough, mean beasts that are mean to each other.

Yeah, because this is what we do. It's a hard sport. You got to have a high level of intensity to be at the top, top rank. And there's no room for, you know what I mean, sniffing this or drinking that or you do. We all can see it. And we're all like, ha. All right. Oh, that.

Okay. And then you get smashed out of there because you didn't work hard enough and you didn't, you know, you're going to go out with the boys. You've got to wake up with the men. Do you subscribe, that's those. Yeah. Do you subscribe to the theory? Like, you know, there's these reports that he had to take PDs to get back to 100%.

But that helps, you know, break down your body. The movie industry, you know, there's no testing pool. And this guy just looked awesome in that movie as a bad guy. I didn't watch it because, you know, a little homererotic for my taste. But, you know, it looked awesome. He looked like a movie star in that. And, you know, to get that huge, to match Jake Gyllenhaal's huge in this,

you know, there's something out there. Now, five years later, you know, I don't know, that movie came out a while ago. And then he, you know, benefited from that, I guess. And I think being heavier is physics. It's like this. And then I don't know, I gave another theory right there about the fact

that he broke the other leg and had to hop around on this one forever. Yep. So you're going to wear out some parts of the knee somehow. And then when you attempt a high amplitude maneuver, you can break something. So you think for the record he does come back? And you would like to see him come back. Yeah, sure.

I mean, why not? A fun matchup for something? Let's see him. I think maybe he overtrains or something. He's 38. He's got to recognize that and give himself like, rest days or better rest. I don't know.

I don't know. I'm not in his camp. I, you know, talk with a lot of people in his camp, but they don't reveal how the sausage you're made. Sure, sure, sure. He's got his own methodology. But I would think that, yeah, he definitely got to re-align his chakras

because it's like, he can't try this crazy maneuver at 38. It's better that he would just come out in a softball and dance around, you know, for the bit i think it would be better for him to kind of push forward on max so the max can't really get weapons but maybe we'll see it in a year you know late last week we found out that uh israel destiny is leaving his team his long time hold up yeah you just paradigm shifting me right now what adi asania so it's actually pronounced adisonia that's the you dis on me fool

am i the first one to figure that out no i dis on me i disarm me i disarm you dis on me i disarm you you with the style bender yes adesania is what the americans call him but yeah i'm right the true welcome to america ayesanya you know the true that's right called him to his face he didn't correct me i dissonia if you really yeah it's nice that's pretty dope yeah yeah he left his coach his his his only coach uh eugene bearman i'm just wondering when you get as big as connor is do you believe have you ever seen you know there's people around you exactly yeah yeah yeah and so what what do you you whatever the fuck you want to do but then that's not good right don't you need coach everyone needs good michael jordan had phil jackson oh my god phil jackson the handsome man yeah you know

is that bad have you seen that yeah hell yeah where a guy gets so big that he kind of just does his own thing i had a guy uh one big knockout you know what i mean i i helped him uh figure out how to unleash his head got so big he couldn't fit through the gym garage door yeah who's that i don't care big name yeah okay Anyway, you know, it's like some kind of thing where did he come back down? No. No. Yeah, no.

This guy's on some different. It's fine. It's fine. I don't want to work with people like that. So if you're going to do that, you're only hurting yourself, you know, if your ego can't maintain the humble ability of being a mixed martial artist, you know, like humble. You have to be at the gym every day and you have to act like a white belt. if you can't handle that, then you're not going to make it. You know, you're not going to, yeah.

I mean, how are you going to handle the top levels? Like, Adisanya, I disown you. I disown you. I disown you. Yeah. There is. So many, man. Me and my dad do this joke sometimes.

It's just ridiculous where you just miss hear someone on purpose. That out of Sonia got a lot of variance. How was your dad? Oh, man. I don't know. Last I heard him, he was marching up Machu Picchu. you. Really? Yeah, yeah. He was like, oh, yeah, I just got off a 190 hour fast. I'm doing good. I was like 190. How many hours is that? I don't even had days of, I can't do the math. But yeah, he's just on some retired veterans type. Okay. Like, I've seen six of the seven wonders of the world, I think. No, no, I think he's on four or five, but he's gone. Are you guys good? Like, are you tight? Yeah, that's great. What are you saying? I don't know. What's your relationship like? I don't know. Sometimes, you know, sometimes. times we're boxing.

Okay. Yeah, but I wrestle mostly. How old is he? Oh, man, like, I don't know, 65. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Seven? I don't know.

I might be misageing them. Which fight did you arrive for? Oh, man. What was the first fight that you saw? Look, I think I was out in there at Whitaker, but I, like, didn't process it. I did. I was like, or, you know how. Yeah.

You didn't see Gable. I got, I got, I saw Gable. Oh, you did? Yeah. Whitaker was the last of the guy. What did you think? of them all right all right this is interesting yeah okay you know and he stepped up and was calm and then just used his hands to really give us a show but i do think like that's one of the areas where

that bar room brawler is a little weak you know like he'll get into a firefight but it won't be a technical you know what i mean boxing match he thrives inside of like uh bouncing the man remind me that the opponent's name uh alicia ellison yes ellison yeah he he he he he has a thing where he has to get you to like run backwards and then he can sock you up you know like that but gable wasn't for that you know a stiff wrestling background like where he's so strong where at any time it could just yank you down will make it sort of easier for you to just push forward and punch through because this guy has to really watch what he's doing plus dance on the cage plus you know what I mean now his back's on the cage against the best wrestler

UFC ever seen maybe maybe right yeah well i mean we didn't really see it how we're not see the i mean like olympic gold medalist two times national champion who is the best wrestler yeah you're the better guy because we had dan henderson's like awesome who's the best olympian uh randy kotor to randy kotor was probably the best i mean he's olympic old medalist yeah but i'm saying like that used his martial art in a positive way four and no gable gable's only four and oh i know i know we're we always get all jazzed up like this, you know. And we won't know the answer to the questions that we've seen him, you know, fight every different style of guy and have his career tested in different ways

where he'll like find another wrestler that maybe can, I don't know, whether that technique, you know, and that the heavyweight division is so bad. Well, the heavyweight division is evolving because now the money is enough where we'll pull some athletes from other sport basketball players that maybe don't make the NBA, of course, football. Hell, soccer stars are showing up in the gym. They are? Yeah, yeah.

Josh Hokka, came from the NFL. What do you think of that guy? Yeah, yeah, Buffalo Bills guy. No, Gable was, he tried out for the Bills. Hokeet played for the Niners for a little bit, but when he was in college, Fresno State, he was D-1 football and wrestler. This man, I know.

This man is like a rare athlete. Yeah. Like, there's no, yeah, he is like a Bo Jackson, but corny-ass macho man boys. Do you like him or what? Hell, yeah. Yeah. You know, you got to, you can only like a guy like that so much or you can't be friends with any girls.

Right, right? I don't know. Like, oh, man, oh, no, I don't agree with any of that. Yeah, that's right. That's it was funny. At the White House? Man, what a maniac. That's what you call that.

Yeah. I would just recall that. I was mad at him for being, you know, like not going 205, but the heavyweight division has some holes in it. And he plugs those holes with hilarious jokes. Hokka Pereira. Hoke-Pera, yeah. You know, if we see he chombing like he was, you know,

I think that weight, he put on so much weight. We all knew it, I guess, or the internet knew it. I think TikToks, I didn't even see these things. People tell me about their social media posts. Okay. Honestly, I appreciate you guys who's got it down to a science where you just tell me the beat points, but sometimes people would just run on for 45 minutes about a TikTok, but I could have watched in two and a half minutes. Okay.

Yeah. And what are they saying? That he put on too much weight? Yeah. Everybody was saying, look how story punches. I'm like, yeah, kind of. You know, he really only needs that one fast punch, really, to do it. But if he stays that weight, I don't know.

I don't know. Hokic has an advantage because he's like a bumblebee. How you're going to fight that guy when he's like darting around this way and that way? And Chama stands upright. So this single leg is like, you know, it's dangerous. Like he usually stands very upright, doesn't have a wrestling background, did most of his fight, you know, kickboxing, kickboxing style, right? He has so much kickboxing fights. That locks something in there.

That adrenaline response, like makes your muscle memory like do exactly like you did it in glory or whatever it was. he has got to like cut himself that like split the difference of a wrestling stance and moitai stance for that fight and box early like boxing keep low because you don't want to like get flopped down on your back and chama all night long you know because Hokka could do that and I think that would be the strategy for Hokka now if you're striking battle Okay, got some problems. A jab to deal with, this big clubbing axe. Like, what the hell?

You know? And then, yeah, he will kick him. He will kick you. Yeah, what about King Green. Oh, yeah. What a superstar. Dude, what a superstar. I remember this guy 15 years ago in Strike Force.

Oh, my God. I put this guy on bully beat down. He was the most charismatic dude. Would you ever have thought he'd still be doing this? I hadn't seen him since you little kid. I saw him at Rampage Taco Tuesday. And I was like, oh my God. Who's that mean black dude?

looks like he owns a strip club i think he does but are you shocked to see him thriving in 2026 all these years later no warrior spirit man to keep coming back to it yeah he's one of them kids he's one of those guys that was like you know he's got some outside of the octagon shenanigans right but he is like a serious training athlete like uh you know what i mean when he looks at me when he looked at me I was surprised, you know, because you see such an intensity in a man's eyes. And I'm like, who the fuck is this guy looking at me so hard? And I'm like, go, Bobby Green. I was so happy to see him, you know, and likewise.

So his, you can see that intensity. Like, he is in the room that intense. And so it's pretty cool to see him flourishing now. Yeah. And he has such a long time in the game and his body is still strong. And yeah, he's had some, you know, setbacks or whatever, but he's showing up. What a comeback also in that particular fight. I know.

Right? I mean, he was just about to get submitted. You're like, can the, like, oh, here we go. You know, you have the, darn it, like this is Achilles heel right now, but no, nope, got it did it out. Maybe he figured that out in the room. Room like the gym? Yeah, we say the room. That's what you say.

Yeah, no. You could use it if you want, but. Make sure that it wouldn't feel legit. No, just tell everyone I told you you could say it. How is life? Great, great. How would you describe your life right now? Well, chaotic and busy.

Why chaotic? Oh, because I'm always code switching. Talking to different people about different things and I have to be like business mayhem. Now I'm coach mayhem. You know, I have to shift into a different reality. They say I might have multiple personalities, but I just told them I'm doing accents. Okay. So which mayhem occupies the most of your time?

Like how are you spending your days? Well, it's difficult to say. Morning time is coach mayhem, yeah. Okay, which gym? We're over there, Matador, Marcos Benia. He's got like factory. In L.A.? Yeah, yeah.

Okay, which part of L.A.? It's in the valley. Okay. Oh, ho. Okay, okay. Yeah, it's really great. Got some really great athletes and a lot of guys coming from everywhere. And then, you know, sometimes in my fight science and mid-city, you know,

this is a nice gym and I forge I got a lot of guys over there in downtown okay so you know but right now I've been focused on training uh Danny Ramirez for his bare knuckle boxing debut um yeah July 18th at the novo okay LA live like right next there crypto and uh yeah it's been it's been a tough training camp you know I like a little uh you're you're sparring him yes I'm still sparring them. Why? But I mean, there's nobody can wrestlebox as good as me over there. When you say wrestlebox? Ah, maybe. You know what? A couple of them boys

actually might have something to say about that on Tuesday. So maybe I should watch my tongue. When you say wrestlebox, what do you mean? Well, you know, dirty box like, I'm anti-co tour. Right, right, right. Show me a couple moves when I lived here in Las Vegas. So, yeah, dirty box underhooks and sort of punching out. The rule set

really favors me. martial arts fighters, I think even more than traditional boxers, I think, you know, and that's the test that you have in each one of those matches where one guy has more wrestling experience or MMA is that, yeah, the guy can be out there with crisp boxing, but the MMA fighter can rough them up and really make it a bar fight, and that helps them. Do you like Bear Knuckle? Do you like watching it? I think it's a bit barbaric, but, you know, the market speaks. I went to slap fight the night. Oh, you went?

I went. Yeah. What was it like? You know, I thought Jake Hagar. You know, I just went for the main event, you know, because I'm like a professional. Sure, sure. And who was in the main event? It was a hot chick versus a less hotter chick.

Okay. I won't say which is which. Okay, okay. And was it entertaining? Yeah. It sounds like. Yeah. I'm not a fan.

No, no. I mean, I'm not either. But, you know, now I do. I am a fan in. a sense because it's some people doing some extreme thing that is netting them money and help. People said something similar about MMA a long time ago. As long as the market is there for it, then fine. They're going to keep doing it.

I don't know what the retirement plan is for getting jacked in the face intermittently. How many people were there? At least 70. Just 70. Well, I mean, Dana says it's like the most watch thing, Oh yeah, I'm saying it was like more than 70. Okay, at least. That's the floor.

I don't know. It was less than 70,000. Would you ever do it? Do what? Slap. Bro, I was thinking this was the setup for this. I don't see no poker chips. I thought me and you were going to hold those little wacky,

inflatable pool noodles. You wouldn't do that, right? Oh, slap you in the face. Hell of you. No, no, no, no. Like, you wouldn't. Like Jake Hager. Wait, we'll flip a corn.

Who the hell is? You don't know Jake Hager? I mean, bro, I'm not. I'm not great with names. Oklahoma wrestler. Then he was a WWE guy. Then he went to Bellatory. Oh, yeah, yeah.

He got knocked out bad. But maybe you missed it because you said you. I missed it. I thought Tim Sylvia was a champion of that sport. Tim Sylvia? Yeah, yeah, because I think he's in a rival league, I think. Swear to God. Holy crap.

And he just jacks people in the face. Yeah. And just, I cannot believe a truck driver looking Tim Sylvia across from you would slap the man in the face. I don't care how much you pay me. It's got to be at least. more than the 500 they're making them a small town leagues right i don't know i would think yeah i would hope i would hope i think i made more money on a rock paper scissors tournament so so there's the

coaching what's the business what's the the business mayhem what's the business maham oh business mehame over at japan l.a with my lady okay yeah man what is that like a plushy a business it's fantastic it's like a really cute kawaii store that she's had for what's kawaii Hawaii is the cutest. Like, Hello Kitty, Pushin. Come on, man. Gloomy Bear? You don't know Gloomy Bear?

He has a whole backstory and everything. He's pink. You know? Labibu? No. Not so much. It was a fad. We called it.

She called it. She called it. Oh, yeah. Wait, so this is your... She's the industry expert. You understand on Kauai? She's an industry expert where the way we talk about fights, she can talk about Helicitty

and the new blind boxes from Smith. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to get you a smithski at that thing. Your security carried me away like a crazy fan. Yeah, it was two like older ladies. They were very nice. I put in the call. You're welcome.

I said, that guy is getting a little too close. I think they had to do two years of mandatory service. So this is your girlfriend or wife? Oh, yeah, to be. You're engaged? Engage, yeah. Wow, Mazel tov. Oh, my goodness, bro.

Don't break any glasses. Sit down. Don't pick me up in this. chair. I didn't get a... All these guys orthodox? Yeah, no, I think so. I didn't get a, save the date or anything. Oh, well, yeah. Is that coming? What's your email? Say it on the air. No, I'm good. But are you going to have a wedding? I mean, that's what you do after engage, right? No, some people go to City Hall and they just do it. If you don't blow it for me on this interview, oh, man, you know what? I have too much chest showing right there. You're going to say I'm thirst

strapping. No, you look fantastic. How long have you been together? Oh, man, you know, I met her 20 years ago. Really? Yeah, Joe Rogan friggin took me to the sky bar. Okay. After the, after, I don't know, he roasted Carlos Mencia that night. Okay. And then, yeah.

And then. That's specific night. That night. Come on, stop. Yeah. I wish I was lying, book. One of the most iconic moments in comedy history. I know.

And I think I caused it. I said to him in between Puffs, like, hey, man, he's doing a joke just like you in there. He's like, what did you say? You know, I talks to his nose. what he's mad you were actually there yeah okay and he ran in there and did this shit i just uh pass it uh uh arrow hawani no i mean um was that other guy's name the guy who the guy who spiked bert kershner okay he was there too who takes up the shirt the amazing racist yeah okay and then you guys went out and you met this girl yeah i met her and she just said hey you have

a great camouflage shorts okay because i was at the sky bar and camouflage shorts. Yeah. It's good look. Yeah. And then what happened? Man, hit it off. It was amazing. You know, we had a little romance way back then. And then, you know, we moved on. Life moved on. But we stayed friends the whole time.

Okay. That's the wild part. Love that. Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's like the classic kind of story where you're like, oh, we're friends forever. It's not quite classic, but it really works out for us. And when did you reconnect? Oh, what, five, four years now? Oh, wow. It's been a while. And I've really grown as a person.

I continue to grow. It's helpful. It's very helpful when you find the right person to share your life with. She has grounded you. She has given you balance. Definitely helped, you know. A lot of it, there's like a lot of other people that deserve a lot of recognition too, you know. But yeah, yeah, she's a consistent force in my life.

And it was always a positive person. I always respected her. so yeah it's like uh i love this i know i know it's like i'd never been this vulnerable with you no this is good more this is more personal i ever been on one of these shows this is good this is good we like this you're good at this but you know a lot of people you know you took us on a journey ups and downs look mal poyea got all that smack for that i think if there was body cams before i might have garnered some support yeah in the early thing and might have not crashed out because now everybody is like you know hey boy you're

We're, you know, oh, man, do we don't want you to go down this dark road, you know? So it's like we caught it in time, right? Immediately, sure, sure. But you just read a headline, you know, back in TMZ, you know, oh, my sister, freaking, oh, my goodness. Headlocked my sister, so you wouldn't drive nowhere. The, you know, and it, like, turned into this crazy thing. If they would have, like, done some digging or a body cam or something,

you can understand what's happening. It's more nuanced. You're not like, oh, if you just read a headline or something, oh, Justin Poillet allegedly said the N word at the airport. It's like, no, come on, man. I got caught up in that, because we didn't have the technology to show how dumb I was being that day. Thank God.

I will admit, there were times. Like, I remember the real sports interview and some of the other stuff, and I was like, it broke my heart. That interview and just gave him, look, it broke my heart. What are you talking about? You know, I bet you, though, you think you, UFC, going to cover that Connor McGregor knee injury? I would like to think so.

They didn't cover mine. Right. You know, I was crashing out and telling the real sports guy, but he had a whole agenda about war machine. It had nothing to do with me. Right. And so, you know, I like was showing out being crazy and just wrecking myself on purpose to like say, look what's happening to me right now.

They're not going to pay this. I'm not out of a job, out of a life. You know what I mean? And hey, the system didn't help me. And so I was kind of doing a cry for help telling this guy. But he just cut the little part where I looked most psycho. And, you know, there you go. It's fine.

I got caught by the edit monster. Now everybody understands. You were in like a backyard. Where was that? Like spray paint everywhere. It seemed like it was like an abandoned, like, junkyard. I know. I made it look like I was squatting.

Wow. Really? Yeah, yeah. You made it look for the inner. What's that? For the interview, you made it look that way. Wow. I drew a giant banana.

It was my art piece, really. Yeah. Did you, so who paid for the surgery? Or did you never get it? What did? I did, yeah. How much was it? 120 Gs.

And this was before they covered injuries that happened in the cage. I mean. Because they say they do that now. I thought they did. I didn't know, but their own insurance underwriter, apparently. So, yeah, they could deny it. somebody up the chain had power to deny it and they did. Really? Yeah, pre-existing condition. Thanks, Obama.

Dana was asked on Saturday about like a wellness policy to take care of guys post-fighting. He's like, we have something like that. We just don't advertise it, he said. Are you aware of this? They've got a daycare center or something? I don't understand. What? WWE is famous for taking care of guys post- Wrestling and things like. I have not. I'm not. I'm not. You're talking about UFC. No. So I'm saying, I'm saying, I'm, I'm saying, I'm using that as the context. I've not heard of that as far as UFC is concerned. Ex-UFC fighters.

I was wondering if... I never saw anything. I don't know. I remember they sent me a card to get pain pills. I think so, yeah. What do you mean? That was about it. A card?

Yeah, yeah. You could be like, back then, you have like a little card that was like, hey, if you run out of medication, call this number. And I was like, damn, that's a weird thing to do. UFC sent that. Oh, yeah. It was their insurance. Got it.

another time I got injured. Yeah. But yeah, that big injury was like, not covered for some reason. Would you like to see this happen? Oh. Where there's some sort of pension. Yeah, obviously, yeah.

Yeah. Obviously. I think there's some legislation over there in California. California is the one Andy Foster. Yeah, Andy Foster is trying. He's the man. But like, you know, you see what's happening with BJ. It's heartbreaking.

Yeah. And other retired fighters, people who gave us so much joy, so much entertainment. and it just feels like a lot of times you guys are forgotten about when the music stops. Yeah, you know, but I get it. You know, it's like numbers on a balance sheet

to somebody up the chain. People just started caring about mixed martial arts collectively here in America recently. So I totally understand that we're not high on their priority list or, you know, people are so fragmented attention now and they have so many things to deal with and so many pages to swipe

and communication to get back to that, you know, oh, the guy who, you know, broke his leg and, you know, um, the, oh, wasn't it, McGregor?

You know what I mean? Like they're, they're kind of like that. Most Americans are half paying attention. And, you know, I get it. Uh,

fighting is sort of a luxury. It's an entertainment, you know, and people don't think in depth that that's a real person in that cage. It's like a human, like a real, it's not a movie that's a guy with a life and a family,

you know? And, uh, then why would they like even pay attention to some obscure bill somewhere in the house of representatives? Like things just get pushed through because there's money behind it. You know, and if the fans don't get involved with that, then whatever, the big money does whatever it wants. When the music stopped for you, was that difficult? The music never stopped for me.

Let me just put that right there. I dance, dance revolution, baby. But I'm saying that over there. at the gym with them boys all the time. When the music stopped in terms of the fights. Fight career? Yeah. Was that tough to cut?

Like was that in an identity crisis? Hell yeah. What do you mean? Oh my God. I clicked over to like the worst identities for a couple years. Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough business, you know?

And yeah, yeah. You know, I have a lot of sympathy, empathy, whatever the hell, all the Pthes. Because the guys are doing, you know, the best, the hardest, craziest. life in the world and then suddenly you know what I mean you're the hurt locker yeah at the damn grocery store so quiet you never took what do I do yeah you never took your gloves off right I did but Dana didn't put it on TV oh yeah he got me on that one really you think it was you think it was always had like sort of a thing yeah yeah yeah what happens if you see him now I understand he's a good business man

No, but like you'll say hi to him. He'll say hi to you, right? I would assume so, yeah. Yeah. What was the thing? Oh, so many, but yeah. It's not here for a poker table. No, right, right, right.

This has been fun. I agree, man, I agree. Where can people see more of you? Ah, Mayhem Miller, you know. You have a YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah, Mayhem show. Yeah. Yeah, but, you know, I'm trying to get some more consistent branding.

I changed the name of it like every other weekend. Look at that. I did Under Pressure Hyperbaric review. it's sort of a place where fighters go to like get all the you know like jam full of oxygen that way your brain heals up real good and it's a it's a great place yeah yeah that youtube is really developing you know i like just started at kind of for fun because i see everybody has this little vanity projects or like pouring a boatload of money to like dancing around like jerks but you know i have some expertise in a couple of areas that i could share with people i think

in a fun way sure comedy Rampage is doing like the streaming thing He gave his life to the internet He's like fully he's all in Would you do that? I think I dabbled But it's difficult to find some Think about it

Imagine that handsome gentleman As nice as he is And with his nice mustache Just following you around for like 19 hours For you to have fun It's a lot right It's a lot And Rampagne's got the demeanor

and personality to fly on that. I had trouble with my cameraman. Oh, okay. I think he might have fell in love with me. Oh, interesting. I mean, I can understand why. But I was wondering,

because you have such energy, so much personality that I think it's something. Yeah. I'm not a huge fan of it, to be honest. I know. I think that it's a big commitment that you'll give, yeah. But right now we're in that early days of streaming.

You know, like it's sort of like, oh, how is this a thing? Too much can go. wrong by the way. Oh yeah that camera on you mean dude that's why rampage is awesome at it this man knows how to walk the tightrope getting in the cage one of the greatest of all time yeah UFC champion pride champion this guy uh he can just be cool under pressure right and just flow with the go you yeah i can do it yeah i could do it now when i was younger it'll be hilarious i see that kid dean the great just buck wild it and then he got his uh oh a b they're just you know

It's sort of a sick fascination of people are watching. They're going this tightrope. And will they get in trouble? Maybe, but you'll be watching. Man, one of my favorite mayhem moments, you interviewing Nick Diaz. I think that's what really said are he didn't know me and I don't know or he didn't care. But yeah, I was just falling asleep during his long run on answer. Now the irony is I'm constantly giving monologues.

So I have some sympathy for him. Oh my God. That was brilliant. Yeah. I mean, I was just trolling, you know. Those days in Hawaii where that was where a lot of mixed martial arts were centered. Yeah. T.J. Thompson, like, the best promoter outside of Dana.

Like, this guy threw fights all the time, and it was like a hub. Like, people would come from the mainland to go see a big fight in Hawaii. It was a really, really great time. And then Nick Diaz, I think he had won a good fight that night. But when I asked him, like, I didn't even ask him a question, I don't think. I don't. I think I just held the microphone in front of his face. And it was a run-on sentence.

I just wanted to ask him as a martial artist, what about this, what about that? And he would just start talking about everything under the song. He's talking about the gym in Lodi. He's talking about that. Yeah, yeah. He's talking about that. Yeah, yeah.

He's sort of, his tism speaks. Well, this has been wonderful. Thank you for coming. You keep saying that. Are you throwing me off? Yeah, well, 12 o'clock, hard out. Oh, man, hard out. Yeah, hard out.

See you guys at the tables. Hey, we're signing this poker table and then we're going to auction it and then we're going to donate it to charity. Yawani on J-Chick's charity, though. She has a charity that she works with called Cancer Fighters. Kids. Wait, why is the cancers fighting the kids? It's awful. Yeah, what the fuck?

Right here's okay? It's perfect. I like you. You have the cross on the right hand. Yeah, yeah. You got a shout out to Islam on the left. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like how you're signing this.

very slowly, very deliberately. More measured mayhem. You know, I think it was the ultimate best version of myself. Wow, you really take that? Well, just for you, dude. No, I appreciate it. Other people, I like, you know what I mean? I'll sign your baby's head.

I do love you. You know that, right? Yeah. It's interesting how you do your ease. Oh, yeah. You know what that is? Yeah. From a teenage mutant Ninja Turtle comic from like 1980, I really stole it. So no line, just the three lines.

Yeah, you get it. the point yeah no it's great sort of graffiti writing yeah i i freaking love it you want to see my last name okay sure uh the way i do it in japan okay yeah yeah it's like this in japanese well no i would just go like this now i would do this maneuver right right oh yeah oh whoops okay yeah so it's like uh kind of a cute little, uh, smiley. Yeah, yeah, they, they like that. They do love that, right? Well, I can't wait for the wedding. Oh, wow. Yeah. I know, huh? This guy's inviting himself, huh? What the hell? He'll be the first one to drop me from the top of that chair. I would love that. This is way better than a man. I'm so glad to do a good studio interview. Yes, this was phenomenal. Thank you for coming.

Thank you for changing your travel. Appreciate you very much. Thanks for all you do for the support. Thank you, man. Thank you, my man. love you. All the best. Jason Mayhem Miller. Thank you. Thank you. I said I love you three times. You didn't say anything back. So I was a little bit... Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was a little bit worried there. Okay, okay, okay, okay. But I love you. I love you. God bless. No, no, we hug. We hug. This has been great. What a guy.

Yeah, no, you can just keep... Yeah, okay. I'm trying to make an exit. No, you're fine. No, you're fine. What's... And give you a final clip. Oh. Oh, Jesus. No, please don't.

No, no, no. We were good, we were good. Here, Max Holloway. Rick, come help us. Please. There he goes. Mayhem, everyone. Yeah.

Okay, there he goes. Amazing stuff for man. Let me just fix this here real quick. And our next guest, I think, is ready to come in in a matter of seconds, right? That was Mr. Jason Mayhem Miller, everyone. Give it up for Mayhem Miller, the man. man. Okay. No time to dilly-dally. Our next guest, victorious on the prelims. Saturday, UFC 329, light heavyweight debut. They call him Bobby Knuckles, former middleweight champion, now one of four men. Let's see if he knows the answer to the tribute question to get a stoppage in three different weight classes in the UFC. Is Robert Whitaker here? Is he actually here? A rare in-person interview with Robert Whitaker? There he is. Hello, Robert. How are you?

Good thing, Mike. How are you? Titus, how are you? Great to see you? Did Mayhem try to beat you up over there? A little bit. Okay, okay. I brought it's a gift. Oh my gosh. Wow. This is amazing. There's some elite performance supplements for when you want to get jacked. I do want to get jacked, just like you. Thank you. Thank you so much.

Musashi Reaper. This is it, huh? You guys probably know I have a great relationship with Musashi. Yes. I wanted some tailor-made elite performance sort of stuff. So is this your own? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is my range. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Oh, you're welcome.

Is it new? Yes, yes. So it's been, in Australia, it's been out for about a year. It's just taken off, but it's new to Amazon in the US now. Okay, it's available now. Yeah, so if anyone wants to get in on the Reaper gear, that... Is this why you're so jacked? That's why I'm so big.

But are we going to talk about the elephant in the room? The commentary, call it be fat. Talking about my weight. Yeah. Look that out of shape. I didn't think so. I thought you looked like healthy. Had it happened the day before.

I thought you looked great. I just had some salt. salt bloke going on. Who called you fad? Who called you fad? It wasn't DC, was it? It was a condition. I definitely think I could have, I started a bit hard. I think got to work into the warm up. I think the nerves made things go different in the first round because I found my rhythm as the fight progressed. But sorry, I'm jumping. No, no, no. I like this. I like this. Jumping steps. First of all, congratulations. Amazing. I just noted, and I was wondering if you knew the answer to the trivia. So there's X amount of fighters. I don't know if you heard me. Did you hear me? There's X amount of

in UFC history who I do believe based on my research have stoppage wins in three way classes. Do you know how many? I'm going to say four including me. Oh, so you know this. Someone told you. That's where I get all my information. Yeah, what's up with Reddit? You have a beef with Reddit, huh?

Yeah, well, so I've played video games. So if anyone plays video games for any amount of time, they've been on Reddit looking up guides, hints, builds, tips. Okay, okay, okay. But then that's where the rabbit hole started. And yeah, well, the whole thing with my comments in the octagon. Yeah. It all started off just like constantly.

I take a photo at KB next to Dan Hook. And Dan Hook is like, he's like a tall guy. Yeah, yeah. Like Tyson Pedro's, he's just a giant of a man. Okay, Navajo Sterling, those sort of ways. So me in the middle of those giants always look small. So I post a photo up and read it straight away. It's like worried for Bobby.

Ah. Just constantly, man. naturally go through the comments start reading through it. Oh no. And just, yeah, just doing it to myself like that. It's,

but it was fun. Do you ever respond? Never. Just read. Never. Just lurk. A hard, yeah,

I'm a stalker proper. It's like a hard line you can't cross. Because once you get involved, it opens the door, yeah. You're involved. So I just. Why even read that stuff? I don't know,

maybe, um, self punishment. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. It's, maybe also the,

Maybe also to desensitize myself a little bit to it. From what? Just from nasty comments, from anything, everything. Okay, okay. Toughen up, thick skin. Yeah, brushings off. You know, you can't hide from. Did it get into your mind, though, like,

oh, maybe these guys are actually right? Maybe I shouldn't be fighting at light heavy weight. You know, it's funny because maybe a little bit, maybe a little bit. Really? Maybe. Maybe. It's already had a lot of nerves, you know,

coming into this fight, you know, off back-to-back losses as close as the last one was. And then middleweight moves up to light heavyweight. You know, everyone's seen how this story ends a thousand times. So there's a lot of self-imposed pressure on myself and the nerves and whatnot. And then telling, seeing all the comments and reading it, people saying like too small, et cetera, short, blah, blah, blah. And it was one of those moments like you just got to kind of feed the belief, I start of the doubt and listen to listen to the circle that's important to you. Listen to the ones that matter.

You know, the ones that have the informed information, the decisions. And yeah, and just keep working, I guess. And just to close the loop, you, McGregor, Jared Kennanier, Max Holloway. So two guys on the same night to now hold that distinction, three stopages in three different weight classes. Or multiple stoppages in three different weight classes. So congrats on that distinction. When did the idea first, first start? Do you remember, like, when you first started to think, you know what, maybe it's time to try this out? You know, through interviews and everything else, and I think we've spoken about it. Yep. When we spoke about it, you were, like, hinting at it, but you hadn't said 100%. Yeah, because I was doing so well in middleweight.

I think I still could have done well in middleweight. I'm a good fighter, and that's my weight division. I think it just reached a tipping point where the last couple of fights, last couple of camps, I didn't enjoy. Didn't enjoy the last fight, didn't enjoy the last camp, the way I felt throughout the camp, and something needed to change. That's why I took so much time off between last fight and this fight,

is something needed to change. I need to find a love for the sport, again, I love for the journey, I needed to change my approach to training, to change just how everything felt. And the light heavyweight transition was the first part of it, because the last couple camps, around that week five, four, three mark, I'm starting to feel real fragile.

Recovery is just bottomed out. Just not feeling good, not feeling great, not performing the sessions, feeling weak. And then obviously the fight week and the week before it, I'm just drained, barely eating, just trying to get to that mark where I can cut the weight in the water. So, yeah, this move to light heavy was just, yeah, it was exactly what I need. Do you think you weren't enjoying it simply because of the weight or because of other things as well? I think the weight had a big impact on how I feel because we're emotional creatures, you know, and how we feel at the time is how it kind of colors everything we do.

So if I'm feeling drained and lethargic, training isn't very fun. Nobody likes training like when you're feeling like that. And then obviously it's coloring everything else that I'm doing. I'm at home with the kids. It's just fatigued. It just wasn't fun. And on that, so normally I live the kids at home and stuff. But I just constantly longing to go home, want to be with my wife,

one of my wife, just counting down the days until I leave and I can just go see them. So I feel like it was almost splitting my attention. It got so bad that I think it was splitting my attention, where I was more worried about when I can go home. then performing and doing everything I had trained for months leading into it. And this is your training when you're in Australia or when you go to New Zealand? Australia. So in New Zealand, kind of back into that was just, it was an organic thing because we had broken bread before

and we touched base because they're only two hours away and we created a relationship there. CKB. Yes, CKB. And it was on the back. It was like during this period of training where we needed some bigger bodies. Some of my training partners got injured and moving like, heavyweight wanted some light heavyweight bodies to move with they had the bodies the relationship with Eugene and my my coach Alex and myself has been great ever since we went there the first time so I went

back there for the back end of my camp and it was amazing I feel like I you know jumped into their team they accepted me wholeheartedly I feel like we're all just one big team now helping each other grow and you know I have a lot of respect and gratitude towards those boys that turned up and helped me train under Eugene and all the guys there. I was asking about that was you were saying you were missing your family. But when you're training in Australia, are you away from your family? Not in Australia. Okay, not in Australia. I was just curious if you go somewhere else where you're far away. But obviously there's a lot going on. So the idea, like to come to the conclusion, hey, maybe 205 would help this out. Did you come to that conclusion?

Or did a coach say to you, did someone say to you, hey, why don't you consider this? I think during interviews and just through my career. Like there's always been kind of hints and whatnot that one day I will go up. So it was kind of, it had a place just not very solid. But then one of my longtime mentors, Andrew Connately, was the one that said, I think you need to move up. Like that's where you'll get your power. You feel you look drained and fatigued going forward.

He had absolute utter belief in me moving up and making that weight change. And then once I had that conversation with him, it kind of got stuck in my head. like you got locked there that this I need to do this I need to move up and trust me there were a lot of people telling me not to do it really yeah on your team or uh yeah and just close family friends really yeah because they didn't see the same things no one does but they didn't say to see the same things that I had they didn't on paper are like on paper a light heavy way right I've always been heavy so I've always had mass and if I'm quick still then I'm heavy and I'm fast and I think that lend itself to hitting hard and just been a be more durable being able to

fuel the sessions that's what we saw on the weekend you know by trying to explain that to them sure sure beforehand to have some belief yeah that bother you no it it didn't bother me because they they they they care for me they they they want the best for me you know they are they only want to see me succeed and their fears were colouring coloring their advice and whatnot. Okay, okay. Whereas I could kind of push that aside and... You knew their intentions were good, pure.

They just were looking out for you. They just didn't see it in the same light as me. But we got there. You know, I think I earned their faith in the last one. So I'm very happy now. Was your wife on board? Yes. She was the first one on board, but she's always been my biggest.

believer. She always says she can see something in me that nobody else has. Wow. And yeah, I've got to listen to her more, I guess. I have to say, it was beautiful listening to you talk about her at the Post-Five press conference about how much she means to you. Like, you could just tell you weren't faking that. And obviously she was here and there were photos of your whole family. You brought all six children. Is this the first time? Yes. This is the first time. I know you just had a number six, right? Yeah. What's the breakdown in terms of boy and girl now? Three three. Three, three.

I have three kids. Flying to Europe is not easy. You're doing it as you're about to fight from Australia to Las Vegas. That's probably what, 14, 15, 16 hours? 16 hours in total. With six children, why, I don't want to put a negative connotation on having your family around, but it is stressful to have young children. So why?

Lipsical nightmare. Yes, tell me about it. So, I'm just trying to book nine tickets, including my mother-in-law. Okay. Booking nine tickets online is a logistical nightmare. That's true. It is true. There is that many, like, boxes and things to fill out.

It almost made me quit then. And you did it. Yeah. Well, I did. Okay, okay. But, yeah, no, it's, it was. Why do it? Because my heart is my strength, you know,

And like I said before, the attention I feel was split between, you know, my wanting to go home and competition. Whereas this time, like the week leading into the fight was so different than normal because I didn't have anywhere to be. I was doing the right things. I was, I didn't have to rush home to anyone. I didn't want to be anywhere else. I didn't have to FaceTime my kids

and try to explain to my two-year-old why I'm not there. there. You know what I mean? Yeah, I had to leave during the camp and stuff, but it's, it's different. It's different. I don't know. They gave me, they gave me strength. You felt it. Yeah. And they, and they my boys, so I brought my two oldest boys came to the fight. Amazing. First time? Yes. Wow. They got to, they got to see firsthand what it is that I do for work. And a lot of the younger ones, they didn't come to the fight. They got to see what it is that I do when, you know, I'm away for two weeks of time when I'm away competing because they don't fully understand it yet whereas I feel like now they have a bit of an inside view as to what it is that I do and um you know I'm creating

experiences for them. They are my legacy. So to be able to take them along the journey just makes the job that I have and the, you know, the blessed things that I'm able to give them is a, it's so much better. So much better. Were you staying with them fight week as well? Same house or were you somewhere else? Same house. So there was, you were dad? You were dad? You were in addition to getting ready to fight in a cage. Yeah, yeah. But like I said, I have the best wife in the world. She, I did nothing, dude.

I just sat there, I was playing video games. I'd go eat my cutting meal, come back, play video games, play with the kids. As soon as I was like, got sick of it, just go do something else. This is why mother-in-law came too, I would imagine, yes. Exactly. It takes a village to raise these kids.

Was there any moment we were like, maybe this wasn't the best idea? This is a lot right now. No, no. can't have one foot out. Okay. When you're trying to do something hard, you can't have reservations. You've got to go wholeheartedly into it.

Otherwise, you're going to hold yourself back. And so is this the norm now? Yes. Every time. Every time. Unless there is something we can't get around and we've got to work it out. But it's a fight-by-fight basis. There's a coffee for you from the great Esther Lynn.

Oh, hell yeah. You know this is the greatest MMA photographer in the history of MMA photography? I do now. Well, yeah. And apparently she's delivering coffee and taking photos, the great all elbows. So even if it means like taking them out of school and stuff, because right now you have school, right, in Australia? No, they're on school holidays. So they missed about a week.

Okay. But isn't it a wintertime over there now? It is. Okay. So that's another thing. How cool is it during the school holidays? They came in Las Vegas, which is amazing. And they're swimming.

They're avoiding their winter. Every day they're in the pool. They're just in holiday mode. So, yeah, it's great. Are we done with the kids now? I said that at two. Oh my gosh. God has a plan.

Is this your wife or is this, like what is going on? I don't know. You're just letting the good times roll. God has a plan. So you may go further? God has a plan. Okay. Is the plan, let's hit double digits at least.

Why not? You're so close. My kids want 11. They want 11. Yeah, they watch that Loud House show and they think that's what life would be like. It's a TV show. That's not how it works. Okay.

If we have any more kids, I'll have to fight to them. I'm about 60. Yeah, that's true. I can't afford the kids that I have now. The two boys I saw it. It was great seeing them hug you afterwards. How old are they? 11 and 9.

And what were they feeling seeing their dad compete? What did they say to you afterwards? They were just proud. They're just proud. They gave me a hug. I could see their eyes with a little glassy. Yeah. You know, I can't imagine what it would feel like to watch, you know, your old man to do this.

But, yeah. Anxious. They were probably nervous, no? Probably. Yeah. I feel like though in just in the weeks leading into it because I took them into a lot of the media stuff as well That they've matured. Oh they've matured a little bit they've seen they have like a wider view of the world around a worldly perspective what it is we do so uh it's cool it's cool

Because I'm sure my kids at some point because at home when they get home it's after school hours I've already trained twice and they usually I'm just cruising relaxing playing some video games stuff I'm sure that's all they thought I did for a long time time. That's all I did. And some of the young ones have said it, they go, Dad, you just play games all day. Why can't I play games? I'll go, I've already worked. That's not how it worked. Have you explained that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. A five-year-old. And so is this their first time in America? It's not. So, um, well, some of them. Yeah, of them is. But it's not. I, I brought three of them over when they were very young. That, that flight was bad, bad, bad. Every flight after it's been easy, but that flight was bad. But, um, yeah, this is the first time it matters. They'll be old and they're old enough to have the memory. Take the memory away with them, right? And even when you fought overseas, you never brought them to those fights. This is the first time they actually were in the arena for a fight, any of your kids. Correct. Did that add, you know, you want to perform for them, right? You want to win in front of them.

You don't want to get hurt. So did that add any anxiety, any pressure? Not pressure. There was a, there probably was a little bit of a motivating factor, like when I'm behind the curtain. You're wondering why it is that I do this. Because they're not. nerves are just reaching a crescendo it's uh i just think like time to make you proud boys yeah i don't watch dad get to work what did they say to you when you saw them in the back um do you remember i think i think my nine-year-old said can i have cookie and that's the beauty of kids right it's like one of the biggest most impactful moments of uh of my life and maybe there's and all he's thinking about is the buffet table over there

the media to the free food free food cookies man cookies for everyone that's the best fighting at light heavyweight you know you fought one guy obviously so we can't overgeneralize but did you sense a difference is the power difference is the is fighting with that extra weight different how would you describe the experience now fighting as a light heavy weight oh my goodness it is different

but it also isn't. Fighting is very much the same thing. So the nerves in there, the nerves leading into there, the feel of the fight itself. But I guess I trained extensively for months with the impression that I was going to fight a boogeyman and that every touch of his gloves would send me to sleep. That's how I prepared myself.

So any time I jumped into the sparring, or moving around every time I'd zig instead of zag and take a shot, it's almost like a failed session for me. You know, I wasn't happy with it because that's how I wanted to approach it. I wanted to respect the power. And that's also how kind of everyone was made. It talks about like heavyweight, you know, and the heavier divisions. But once I was in there, I took some shots and they were just like anybody else. I've been rocked at middleweight. And so middleways hit just as hard. It's one of those things. I had more weight on me moving in there. And like I said, I put it on paper, a mass time speed, right? And I felt fast in there. You didn't feel heavier.

You didn't feel like you were moving around. I did the majority of my camp at about 2.30. Wow. Because that's just what I walk around at. Okay. In general. Yeah. Usually. Okay. So you were 230 on Saturday as well. Correct. Wow. Yeah. So what would you fight when you were at 185? Um, well, see, now I've let my body grow a bit. So, um, I'd probably 96 kilos. So what's that? I don't know. Maybe 205, something like that. Obviously not 230. Yeah, about, yeah. It would have been about 2.08. Yeah. Oh, 8, 210, something like that. But, um, but, um, but you didn't feel lethargic. You didn't feel heavier or slower. You felt great. No, no, no. I, uh, I think, obviously, I've looked at the fighters. I have some technical errors. I think I can adjust. Like what? I didn't like

going backwards straight. I went straight backwards too many times. Okay. And that's when he would use his kicks and whatnot, especially when I would back up against the cage. And I can work with that, you know, but also I think conditioning was, I don't think my conditioning was bad per se. I think my efficiency in the first round may need to be looked at. I might need to change some things up, add some things, maybe open the lungs up a bit more in the later weeks, like when I'm in fight week a little bit. But it's much easier and much more fun, learning off a win than a lot.

Of course. And what about that finish? Because to me, watching it with the delayed reaction, it seemed like you broke his jaw. But afterwards, Dana White said he didn't break his jaw. Are you surprised? No. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter, of course. But that's usually what happens, right? That delayed reaction. It obviously hurt him to an extent where he thought he had done something. because Kreelov's not a quitter. So for him to wave it off, it must have done something.

Even if it's not broken, if he pulled his ligament there or whatever, there's a lot of things there. I was landing, I think, I was landing after the takedown in the first round, really, I was landing a lot of shots, and a lot of them were placed on his jaw. Like, I was working it out.

And it would, you know, the last kind of hook was just the straw that broke the camel's back. First fight in a year, two-fight losing streak, first win in two years. Did you feel a weight lifted off your shoulders, getting that feeling again? Oh yeah, yeah. This is, this sport is ruthless. Yeah. It's on the mind, right? Yeah. And now, and in reality, winning is everything in this sport. Everything. It's, um, it opens doors. You get sponsors, you get paid more. You get, you get opportunities to earn more to get, to get, to get, new sponsors to you know it just it just and it also validates all the sacrifices and investments

and training and a ways and flights and everything else that you've spent on leading into it it is it is everything in this sport so and then like like i said coming off back-to-back losses and then moving up a weight class we've all seen that story where the middle weight that does it then eventually just slides into obscurity following that that change and And I didn't want to be that guy. I knew in my heart that I'm not that guy. But you just have to fight the doubts constantly, constantly fight the doubts.

Believe in yourself. Listen to the people close to you. It was just constant game of that throughout the camp. I hypothesized after your fight that I think you're like two fights away from fighting for the belt, to be honest, because that division, you are who you are. You're a massive name champion at 185.

And that division right now isn't exactly, you know, John Jones era of 2011. Do you agree with that? Yeah, I think the light heavy way, especially with Pereira moving out and guys getting injured and just a shuffle of names in the division at the moment, it is just ripe, rife with opportunity.

Like literally, one good performance away from fighting for the title. Yes. So on Saturday you kind of said it was like there's a buffet of guys. Have you thought more about who would make sense or who you would want? No, really. No? Yeah. Is there a list? I've never, I've never, I've never picked my fights.

I always just give a date to the UFC and they just set me up. Like a time frame and then they fill the hole. Exactly. So there's no one that entices you or excites. As long as they're above me. Sure. Well, there's a lot of guys above you right now because I don't think you're ranked. But you probably will get in there.

Just like to say. Yeah. Well, you have to do me. No, I'm just like you're new. You're new. That will probably change. That will probably change. change. You know, there's a guy coming on later. You have a history with Palo Costa. He's now at

205. Does that interest you to do that again in a new weight class or kind of been there done that? Yeah, been there done that. I don't know. There's a lot of other guys to fight. What else to fight a guy? Of all people, if I have to fight a guy, I've already fought. Sure. You know, there's a lot of new blood there. He looked good at 205. Did you see him in April? He did. He did. He looked really good. Yeah. I think the round two was kind of, okay. But iffy, but like the finishing the way he did, it was just, just, just Picture perfect, honestly. And of course, the champion is the KB guy. Yeah.

So what happens then? I don't fight people I eat with. Sure. Let him do his thing. I worry about mine. Okay. We'll see what happens. Have you trained with him?

Yeah, I have. What's he like? Great guy. Great, great, good to move with. Really good at range finding, obviously. And he has the touch of death in his gloves. Yeah. It always helps.

Unbelievable. All the boys there. Like, I also train with Navo Sterling as well. He's a light of way of all. And he's terrible. tearing it up as well. I think he's five and I at the moment. He's just killing it as well. So yeah, they're my team as well.

I'm just like Jackie Malcun. They're my team guys. I don't fight team mates. Even if it's presented to you, hey, I got to go back. You're not doing it. Once you've trained with them, you're not interested. Yeah. No, I'm not like that. Against my ethics. I respect that.

Were you surprised to hear that Izzy was leaving? A little bit, a little bit. because I guess didn't really know what he was going to do whether he was going to come back or not but if he feels like making a change and that's the right thing to do

and he's good with everyone there then that's what he's doing have you talked to him I haven't okay I know you've been busy and he dropped this on like Thursday or Friday yeah yeah yeah no I haven't but we're friends so I'm sure he'll end up somewhere and we'll catch up sometime

did you see the clip of him reacting to your win. No, I didn't. He was doing like the watch-along stuff and like you could see there's genuine love for you. Like he was genuinely happy for you. Yeah. Cheering you on, going crazy and stuff like that. Like who would have thought, right? A few years ago. I know. Well, they, for one, that's crazy. Yeah. And also, shout out to Izzy, because I'm drinking a matcha right now. Oh. I thought he was trying to poison me the first time he gave me. He introduced you to this. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes. That's right. I remember that. Yeah, I'm hooked on it now. Okay. Um, what, what I, what I, I had like that full circle sort of moment

because when I was working at CKB Eugene was holding pads for me and I was thinking as he was holding pads but I was thinking like years ago like he was holding pads for Izzy to try and dismantle my game and work out the same thing that I'm doing now obviously fighting Nikita at the time

but it was like that full circle this is there's a space out sort of thing yeah do you ever talk to Eugene and be like okay so like what did you guys see what was your game plan how did you try to beat me against me Yeah. Yeah. He said they had extensive tape on like all my fights.

Yeah. Research halatomy for my habits. Is that weird? It's like going to war against someone and then joining their team essentially, right? Like they did everything they could to take something away from you and now your buds. So who better to try to improve my game. But is there like a moment where you have to like earn their respect or trust you have to earn, like, meaning you want to believe that their intentions are pure, their intentions are good,

that they worked years to try to take something from you, and now they're there to help you. Yeah. Is that a weird thing? Definitely, the first time I went over there to kind of build rapport. Yeah. It was like that. You know, you kind of work with them, but you still, you don't know it. Yeah.

You know, and there was like us and them still, even when we were training together. And then the time after that, it got closer. And then this last, this last one, no, like it, I feel like it, I feel like not, I feel like I got fully embraced into the circle. And it's good, too, because I like a lot of those boys. I was born in New Zealand. So I feel like it's really good manner for me to be there and train, see my family as well while I'm there, train with other, other moldy guys and Kiwi fellas.

It's, it's really cool. How long do you spend there? when you go. So this camp, I think I did four weeks, I want to say, before I came here. Straight? Yeah. Or did you go back and forth? No, four weeks.

So you're away from the family for four weeks? Yes. Do they come visit you? I did, my wife and brought over some of the kids. Okay. Okay. That's hard. Very hard.

Yeah. It was exactly what I needed because the problem when I'm at home during a camp is that when I'm home and my wife gets home and someone needs to take the boys to rugby practice, I want to do it. I want to be dad. I want to make dinner. I want to do it. But if I'm doing anything other than resting and training,

you know, it's taking away from my performance and my training. So it got to a point where I needed to have no distractions. I needed to just train, eat and sleep. That's it. That's all I did there. Like constantly, day and day out. Boys play rugby. Yes.

Yeah, and boxing at the moment. Boxing. Not MMA. No, not right now. No, we're changing it up. We moved to houses, so we're finding different areas. I think a year or two of boxing would be good for him anyway. Do you, are you on board if they want to fight?

Yeah, I'll be on board. Have they expressed it? Yeah, my oldest wants to fight. He wants to be in the UFC. So Saturday must have been a trip for him, right? Like, you must have adored it. Oh, yeah, they've been, he's been wanting to come to everything. All the media, all the lineups, everything, everything.

That is amazing. And that's his first time going to a fight. Even if you weren't fighting. You never brought him. No, he's never been to him. Wow. He must have been in heaven. Oh, he was blown away.

Both the boys were. Yeah. The energy, the atmosphere. Yeah, and it's lightning. And it probably only fueled his desire to be in the UFC 10 times. How do you feel about that? We'll see. We'll back them in anything they want to do.

But I know the sacrifice and the work and the things that need to have. happen for him to be in the UFC. So there's a lot of, there's a lot of life to get through before it's a thing. And I'm not one of those dads that puts my kid in, you know, an elite sporting program, planning out his trajectory into whatever he wants to do. I want my kids to be kids. I want them to find their own paths. I want them to define their own ways in life, you know. So, uh, and enjoy being a kid. Did you watch McGregor? Yes. What did you think? sucks like yeah that's it sucks like yeah that's it sucks like sucks everything that could go wrong one wrong right all kinds of theories

oh yeah what do you think do you think he was hurt before based on what you saw I don't know I don't know if like it's very easy to get sucked in like I said I'm a man my man have read it did you go on Reddit the amount of like paranoid rabbit holes yeah that are there it's just crazy and don't think of me wrong I'm for it. I go into all of them, but I'm thinking, so if he was injured prior to the fight, would he have done that kick? Right.

Like, I know, I've gone into fights with LC-L-Tairs and MC-L-Tairs, and brother, I'm not jumping switch kicking if I've got one. Right. Okay, unless he knew and he needed a way to get out. Okay, so you're fully in. to Reddit right now. This is Reddit mode right here. Hold on that. I like it. Or maybe maybe it was just a freak accident. You know what I mean? By an almost 38 year old who's been off for five years, who's done some damage to his body. And and like the game isn't it's not one of those games you can

just take off time and come back, but you need that contact constantly. Your body's primed and ready. That's why even though it took me a year to come back to the cage, I was, training the whole time, you know, working my way into light heavy weight. I wasn't just doing nothing, you know, because you need your body ready and hard to get used to the, just the stress that you put it under. Because, yeah, he may have trained that kick a million times throughout the camp. But with the nerves, the adrenaline, maybe he jumps a little bit too far, maybe he jumps a little bit too high, maybe, you know, there's so many what-ifs and whatnot.

But I feel for the guy to, yeah, everything that could go wrong did, you know, and I hope he maybe comes out of it the other end. Yeah. Yeah. His posts afterwards were a little bit dark. Yeah. And I can understand, obviously. Yeah, 100%.

Working so hard to get back there. I'm not a fighter. I'm not a coach. Obviously, I just don't understand. I'd love to ask you, like, after that layoff and everything that went into this, why not just feel out the first minute? Why go so extreme right out of the gate? do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah. It's, um, I guess what if it lands? What if he doesn't blow his knee out? And he lands that kick. And he knocks out Max Holloway, who rarely gets knocked out. He, he, who doesn't have like a bad chin. He's as popular as Michael Jackson then. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like he's the next. Or the chances of landing it and knocking him out. Right. Hey, crazier things have happened. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, what do you do? What do you do? I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know.

Did you see him at any point? Did you chat with him? In the back? I didn't chat with him. I saw him, though. You saw him, but there was no interaction. No. Because people were saying, in the back, he's looking nervous as he's walking out. Oh, in the back, I didn't see him. No, but even like at the walkout, he didn't seem like he had his usual, you know, McGregor. Panash. Yeah, I don't know what usual McGregor energy is. Yeah. You know, the one thing I did comment on was that, and this was always my thing kind of when anybody else would ask me who do I have picked right is that

the McGregor that fought Aldo that young starved wolf you know what I mean he could see he was starved and he had nothing and he wanted everything and he almost looked feral like when he would come to events

when he would come to Wains when he would talk on the mic he looked crazed you know I mean that McGregor was a super McGregor that was a super McGregor That was the superpower that was him.

That was a McGregor that could beat anyone on any given night at any time. You know, he was just high on that wire of everything. And I think all the money and success and fame and fortune took that starvation away, which was so vital to his edge. Because his fight style has always been risky. like he's he's always been fighting off reaction and timing and speed he aggressively moves into shots to open up shots you know what i mean he's his his counterwork and anticipation of shots is is what made him so dangerous in that stand-up and he was always willing to risk it all he was willing to

die in there and i just think he didn't have that anymore and how can you it's almost impossible to that right? You make it, you can't turn back the clock. No. So, and in that case, you need to find something else. And I don't think he had it. I don't think he had it cemented what it was yet. That got him to where it needs to be, you know, but. It's sad to see, right? But father time undefeated, as they say. Yeah, yeah. But I'm sure recovery on a yacht, make it all better. Yeah. You do wonder, though, because he talks about it being dark and this and that. And yeah. Domina Cruz actually had a great analysis of it. I don't know if you saw this on Reddit,

but he just basically said, like, this guy tried to save his life via the thing that brought him here and saved his life initially, martial arts, and now he just saw it all come crashing down. He's going to have to try to figure out a way to save his life again, because he used martial arts in a good way

to try to clean up everything, and now here he is with a potentially torn ACL. Yeah. It's dark. That's a beautiful thing that Cruz said. I thought his analysis was That was great. Amazing.

But I think he's a man, he found God. He's, this is just one of the tests. You know, he gives us. And at least

him, as you said, and as Dom said, him putting all the pieces in play, surrounding himself with good people, creating good habits, cutting off the bad habits. They're still there.

They're right. there. You know, he's just got to, he's got to fight his own demons. Because everything he's done is for the better, you know, leading into this fight. He's just got to take the final few steps himself. Do you relate to what Dom says? Can you understand what he's talking about? The darkness of, the darkness and trying to use martial arts to save you, so to speak. Oh, yeah, definitely. Definitely. I don't know if I relate. Like, we haven't had the same things. Of course. But I can't, And you've spoken about hundreds and thousands of people. The feeling of losing a fight is there's no other.

The depression that comes with a loss, depending on the loss, is crazy, crazy. And then obviously the higher the stakes, the bigger the fall. So, yeah, he had a bad loss. but there were 13 other blokes on that card that earned significantly less that loss as well

and in worse fashion what would you be doing on the Monday after a loss especially if you're here with your family in Vegas how would it affect you oh mate I don't know how to go to Disney World

feeling like that yeah I don't know I don't know but that's also yeah just been with my family That's also what you need to do after a loss. One of the things I was constantly thinking leading into the fight was that I've already won. How so?

Because I was sitting there surrounded by my kids, wife's making lunch for everybody. How good is this? How is winning going to make this better? You know what I mean? Wow. I've already won. Can I ask which one hurt you the most? Which loss?

losing the belt, easy. That was the one. Yeah. Why that one? Just because it was the highest stakes? Yeah, lost the belt, lost the title. To easy. The animosity.

We're friends. Yeah, we're friends now. But yeah, there was just at home. Stakes were really up. I got finished. My wife was, I don't know, she, yeah, she was at the arena. Like, my wife was there. Dad and friends and family were in the crowd.

It's, uh, it sucks. No one wants to go out like that. But that is what it is. Like Max says. Yeah. By the way, if Izzy calls you now, it says, can you help me out? Would you do it?

Even though it's not a part of CKB. Yeah, of course. We're friends. Yeah. Yeah. And it sounded from what he said, it sounded like he had, he still has good relationship

with all the boys and coaching staff and whatnot. He's just got to do his own thing. And that happens. You know, career is life is long. You can't be expected to do the same thing. forever. Conversely, which was your favorite one? What was like the peak up till now of your career? Like when you say this was when I was the happiest? Oh, I'm happiest now. Really? This is pretty cool. Yeah. This is the peak? Yeah. Wow. I thought you would say title victory. This is the...

No, no, that was great. And I was a catalyst for a lot of other moving pieces. But I've been working on doing the right thing and being happy every day of my life to now. Wow. And I got my family at home. I had just had a win. I'm talking to you in person. This is rare. It's crazy. I don't have to feel bad about you waking up at 6 in the morning to talk to us. Never that bad. But yeah, life is good. Life is good. And, you know, every day, every day I wake up, excited for the next day. You did tell us, like, you were approaching the end. So now with this renewed feeling of happiness, has that extended the end? Yeah, I've got 10 more fights in me. No, I'm Jackson.

Okay, wow. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, no, I definitely have a few more in me. What's a few? Like, a few is three. for you. Okay. I know a couple is two. I don't know what few is. Few is three, isn't it? Views three? All right. I was going to say five.

Do we have a guy? Do we have a guy? Look that up. Three, I feel like there's more than three. Okay. I felt good. Honest to God, my fight time right now is as long as I'm enjoying it. You know what I mean? As soon as I reach a point where

I'm starting to drag my feet again and things are starting, and it's hard for me to get to the sessions. It's hard for me to enjoy them. I'll announce my retirement in an Australian card and fight up my last one. Okay. I want to do that properly.

I want to sail off into the sunset properly. I want to fight. I want to finish my career in my home country. So it's interesting you say that. We had a guest last week named John Wood, the coach at Syndicate. And we were talking about Dustin Poirier and how difficult it is when the music stops, so to speak.

And he said that he advises all his fighters not to retire. Don't say the word. Don't have the ceremony. Don't do the big thing because then it becomes harder just knowing that the door is closed. If you leave it open a little bit,

maybe you come back, maybe there's opportunities, the door. And so he was saying like he thought that that was too much on Dustin's shoulders. What happened last year, the big retirement fight in New Orleans and all that, clearly you feel differently. Yeah.

You want that. Well, because, so I mentioned how bad the last few fights, last few camps. and just how much I wasn't really enjoying it. So in that period off, I kind of, I went away from the gym for about a month or two and just dad-lifed. I was just working on side hustles such as the massage range.

I was working on other projects and just kind of taking the kids of school, doing that thing. And that sense of retirement kind of, I felt it. And I went through a week or two of just kind of being lost, you know, like, because for anyone that's fought for for any amount of time it becomes it's less of a career and a sport and more of an identity you know and i think leaving competition makes you lose that identity which anybody who doesn't know themselves kind of is flailing a bit in life right so um yeah i had to deal with that had to kind of find out what it is i wanted to do how i am comfortable who I am to a certain degree.

And yeah, I think I found my way. I also realized then that I'm not ready to hang up the gloves. But things need to change. And yeah, here I am. Happy as Larry. I love that. And by the way, have you thought about what you'll do when you fight, when you stop fighting?

I want to be a fireman. Is that true? Yeah, I reckon so. Wow. I was not expecting that. Yeah, no one does. I feel like, because I can be a fireman and still do other things. because I want to work in the media.

I'd like to... Oh, love it. I'd like to do a sort of gig where I can talk. Analyst. Yeah, an analyst. The desk stuff? I know you do the podcast sometimes, right? Well, I've worked the UFC desk, the analyst.

I'm actually doing a few shows coming up. But I enjoy that. Okay, for UFC? Yeah. Okay. So I enjoy that, but also the podcasting side of things. And I'm definitely looking forward to pushing into that. I do want to move into the fitness industry.

some somehow i want to want to share with people how it is that i've been able to fight in the ufc 14 years fight at a high level keep my body feeling good and i'm looking for avenues to to to be able to do that but then i also thought being a fireman would be pretty sweet too wow have you have you like looked into what that entails yeah i got a good friend one of my one of my good friends is a fireman and he told me it's great how long before you become a fireman Like, how long does that take? I think it's only like a few months, like the course to get in. It's Dr. Stipe.

Yeah. And then obviously you're on the starting position, but I think it'd be cool. I think it'd be cool. I think it's, I think it'd be a good direction because it gives you that sense of duty. You know what I mean? Also, the exhilaration, right? Exactly. That you might be missing from fighting, but you're still, like, walking into the fire, so to speak.

And all my kids idolize firemen. That's true. More than a UFC fighter. Wow. I'm like, what do you want to do? What do you grow up? Little Jace. He's like, fireman.

I'm like, ah, okay. So that's probably colored my opinion a little bit as well. By the way, till this day, I think underrated fight of yours and maybe my favorite that I don't feel like enough people talk about. Do you know what I'm going to talk? Which one I'm going to say? Underrated. Underrated that I don't feel like gets talked about enough or gets shown enough.

I'm going to say, Darren Till. Not bad. Colton Smith. You know why I love the Colton Smith fight? Yeah. You know I love this so much. You did something that I've not seen many fighters do. I remember, I think it was the right hand, or was maybe the left hand.

Left hand, yeah. You had the left hand down to just sort of keep him at bay with the wrestling, and then you knocked them out. Yeah. And I just, I don't see, I remember watching that, and this is early days. Like, what was this probably? 2013, 2014. 20, yeah, something like that.

And I've just, I've not seen a lot of fighters do. that when it's a striker against a grappler type of thing. You kept it down here just to make sure that he wasn't going to do anything, but you stayed standing. I love that fight. It gave me the head start with the underhook. Yes. Yeah. And I feel like you don't see a lot of people doing that. Why is that? Don't know. Because obviously in a game of punches, right, having your hands down is kind of frowned upon me. Yeah. And yeah, I had my hands down for that fight and I kind of never picked him back up. Yeah. I guess you weren't worried about his striking so you could take that risk. Yeah. And then it kind of became my style.

Yeah. And it's even today. Like I train the whole camp with my hands up. The whole camp with my hands up. And then? Because I was like, they're heavy hitters. Yeah. They, they, they, they, they need my hands up for some protection.

Need to work this out. And as soon as I got comfortable in the fight, they're down by my hips. Why do you do that? I don't know. I just feel good doing it. Like when I'm on, I'm on. You know, my hands are quick. I'm fast.

I control the distance and the movement. movement with my feet. And I think it's a bit off-porting. Seeing punches come from down there. The angle, the speed in which it comes. The footwork kind of puts people off. So, yeah, you know, no risk. You see Darren and the bare-knuckle? I think I saw some highlights. Yeah, he's crazy. You wouldn't do that, right? Bear-knuckle? Yeah. No, no, no. I want to be a fine man. That's right. Unless I was paid big, big bank. I think you would be. You've got to be big, big bank. Like what are we talking? Like, I just need to fight once.

Yeah, yeah. But then if they offer me, big bank again, yeah. Nine figures, eight figures? I am only human. I am only human. But, and I am susceptible to big paychecks like anybody else. Of course. Price fighter at the end of the day, right?

Yeah. The one thing I've learned is that everyone has a number. So I'm not going to say no, but preferably not. It would be UFC and then firefighting. You're not going to go travel around and fight for other organizations and stuff like that. No, I'd like, I've built a legacy and a career and a name and a story in the UFC. And I'm forever grateful for that. And this is where I want my career to finish as well.

Love it. So you guys are staying in America for a bit? Yep. Family vacation? We're here for a week. I heard there's some water parks in Vegas. Okay. Good luck with the heat.

I've got some of my best friends here as well. Lovely. So I'm trying to see if I could strike it rich, a blackjack. Okay, okay. Haven't yet, but never say never. And then, yeah, then Disneyland. Love that. Disney World, what's the difference?

Which one are you going to? Orlando. Oh, Orlando. Okay, so that's World. You know how you know. You know how you remember. I don't know if this is true or not, but so the initials for Orlando, O-R-L, right? World.

Yes. And then Disneyland is in L-A-L-L-A-L-N-D. Yeah. That's the cheat sheet to remember. So World is in Orlando. Orlando land is in LA. Have you been to either? No. Never. I've been to a Disney land in Japan. Yes, that one. Yeah. I was younger. Yes. And your kids clearly have never been. Yeah, well, just my, my, my oldest was, but he doesn't remember. Yeah, yeah. So they must be over the

moon. At least the ones that know what's to come. Very, very, very fun. Insane lines. You should get the VIP. Did you get the, I'm working on it. Yeah, yeah. Cut the line. Yeah, Robert would I need to, for goodness sakes. But it's a lot of fun. You're going to love it. This has been a lot of fun. Thank you. This has been amazing having you here.

I'm stay here all day. Oh, I'm trying to be cognizant of the fact that you guys. I'm very jealous of your manager, Titus. Yeah, why? Do you know why? Am I allowed to say? Oh, yeah, he got to watch UFC 329 on Saturday with the head coach of the New York Knicks, the NBA champion New York Knicks.

Do you know who the New York Knicks are, the basketball team? Yes. Did you know this? With Mike Brown. He didn't tell you. He didn't. Why didn't you tell him? Other things.

He sent me a phone. I love this man. If this man walked into the room right now, because I'm a diehard New York Knicks fan and they just won the championship last month, first time in 53 years, first time in my lifetime, like this is my team,

you know, live and breathe. If I saw that man right now, I think I would, I don't know what I would do. I would kiss him, I would hug him, I would get emotional. He got to just hang out with him

the whole night. That's really cool. You know what? It was a big highlight for me on the fight nine. Yeah. As I was leaving, and I saw him, I saw him entering Anthony Kedis.

I saw him entering the arena. I was like, man, if I get a chance, shake that man's hand. Did you? On the way out, I said, a huge fan. That's crazy. Dude, I love that guy. Red hot chili peppers. Oh, what's your favorite song?

No, I'm not a big red hot chili pepper. Can't stop. That one, right? Yeah, yeah. Californi-Cation? No, I like Fortune Fated. Okay, but this is like a favorite band of yours. Yes.

I have lots of favorite bands, but he's awesome. So you made the mental note before the fight, if I see this guy, I'm going to go shake his hand. Yeah, and you know, I try not to do those things because I don't like looking after fight, but it's what, it's sometimes thoughts. Yeah. Come into your head unbidden. Sometimes you can't.

That's so crazy that you're thinking of that. I was in the back room and I looked at it. I was like, man. It's so crazy that you're thinking about that. If I can shake his hand, I'm going to. And he probably was, he's a hardcore fan. Like he'll show up for like the early, early prelims. Yeah, yeah.

He was there. Yeah. I was there. Yeah. So, Shug, I said, I said, man. I'm a big fan. And you guys, I'm a big fan of yours. I was like, this is the best.

That is the best day ever. That is amazing. Do you sometimes look who are the celebs? There were a lot on Saturday. No, not really. Not really. I don't, I find it, I feel weird, like looking down. And if they're looking at me, I'm looking at them.

What do you do? Yeah. Head nod. And I was trying to look for my wife. So, uh. Did you see her? No. You couldn't find her?

I didn't know. There was a, there was a mix up with the tickets. Ah. And some problems happened. But it got sorted out. without my knowledge, my coach, my manager and everyone else kind of worked it out for my wife and kids. Did that bother you? Like, did you want to see them in the moment? Oh, it is what it is. Okay.

Like, it's not, it's nothing, you know. I didn't know if, like, you wanted to lock eyes before and then feel like, okay, they're there, we're good. Oh, yeah, no, it wasn't, it would have been cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they could see that I was looking for them anyway. Same thing. Yeah. It is the thought. Yes. By the way, I was surprised you on the prelims, not that it really matters these days. Feature prelim. Feature prelim. You were okay with that?

It wasn't, like nothing, there's no pay-per-view. People make a big deal. My, my mom doesn't pay for pay-per-views anyway. Right. I was on national TV and she got to watch her. Is it on national TV over there? Yeah. Really?

Channel 10. Come on. Because of you? Don't know, but it was. And that was, that was cool. Like my, a lot of my, my mom and my family. That's amazing. I usually don't have ways to watch it, watch it.

Okay, so this is. better. Yeah. And I got to, I was in and out by 6.30. By 6.30, the main event hadn't even started and I was having some peacher and beers with my friends. So it was cool. It was cool. Silver linings. Love it. We're having everyone sign this and then we're going to donate it to Yawani on Jacek's charity. She deals with kids who are battling cancer. So if you don't mind. Yeah. Yeah, let's, we're a little bit heavy on that side. Yeah, I know everyone's doing it there. What are the light having you here? Really. This, This is amazing.

Such a rare opportunity to talk. It's been a while since we've talked in person. It has. When was the last time? Probably in like 2019 or so. Yeah, wow. It has been a while. But I always appreciate you waking up as you know.

And I hope you have to wake up early for this one. No, no. It's good. I'm in holiday mode. Yeah, I know. I can tell. You're out. Yeah, that's right.

Amazing. So happy for you. Thank you, Rob. Really appreciate it. Thank you so much. And thank you for this. We will get big. I've been working out too.

As you should. You see me? Yeah, you got some size on our felt you out. Come on. You felt it out. You felt it. Yeah, man. Yeah, man.

Yeah, bro. That's like you getting a handshake from Anthony Kitas. That's what it does. Titus, thank you so much. Great to see you. Really appreciate it. Thank you guys for doing this. And congratulations.

You guys can just walk out there. That's what we're doing here. It's like Mr. Rogers' neighborhood. You know that show? They don't have that in Australia. Titus can tell you. People come in and out of the neighborhood. Thank you guys.

Really appreciate it. Yes, all the best. There is the great Robert Whitaker, everyone. Wow, what an absolute legend. So kind of. of him to join us. Amazing having him on the show in person. He even closes the door. He's a real salt of the earth kind of guy. Wonderful. What a wonderful chat. He's the man. He said I'm thick a. That's what he said. He said, I'm thick a. F. Okay. In a matter of moments, actually no,

not in a matter moments in maybe 30 minutes yeah we're going to be joined by the one and only paula costa if he uh if he happens to come early let me know but for now we will reset it's been a great day here on the program it's been a great week here in las vegas what about this uh this nice gift maybe i could put it like this in the middle Let's give it a proper. Yeah, look at that. Look at that. Look at that.

Musashi Reaper. You happy for Rob? Absolutely. I'm saying, go support him. Right? The box is sick. The box is sick. There's some nice stuff in here.

What do we got? Between this and Shama, we're getting big time. Pre-workout max strength. Blue Raspberry. Available now, wherever you get your supplements on Amazon. All right. Costa is going to join us. We're back in studio on Wednesday. Tomorrow, by the way, we will air an interview that I did with head coach of the Boston Celtics, Joe Missoula,

who was unbelievable. I'm a Knicks fan, obviously, but I can appreciate smart people, dedicated people, disciplined people, and he was training with Eric Nixick, and he was just amazing. He was absolutely amazing. So that will air on the channel tomorrow at 1 o'clock. It will premiere on the channel and then we'll be back with our regular programming live on Wednesday. We'll have on the nose and all kinds of other fun things for you. So there you go. Yeah, we'll keep this here for the rest of the show. Give O'Rob a bit of a plug. So nice to see him for the first time in a very, very long time. Okay, other news and notes before we get to Mr. Paulo Costa. So we were talking about was McGregor feeling off? Was he not quite himself, et cetera, et cetera.

Here's Max Holloway after the fight weighing in on this. You had a better look at than anybody, and you identified it earlier. Do you think it was that first kick that he threw? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I did the UFC podcast before I came here, and me and Wonderboy was talking about it. Even with him walking into the Octagon, it didn't seem, you know, it just didn't seem like the same corner, you know?

Like, I thought it was, he was still there to fight, but, like, I thought he'd be a little bit more rowdy, a little bit more crazy. He looked like really, really calm, like super calm. So I was just kind of like, oh, wow, let's see how this goes. And then, of course, I knew he was going to attack me at something. And it was like kick. So, and it sucks. Yeah, you know, a lot of people weighing in on that. Was he nervous? Was he not himself? Was he having doubts? All that stuff. I guess we'll never really truly know. He says he felt good. But yes, there are some telltale signs. And there are things. some things that make you wonder about that, but he has always been the beacon of self-confidence

and bravado. And perhaps there were some signs that that wasn't, to me, the main thing that I saw was the waving and, you know, the demeanor, but it is a little bit of, I don't know, much to do about nothing. Here's Max Hallway's son, Rush, reacting to the finish, and even hitting, with one of his own lines. Take a listen. Rush with the Who's Your Daddy Now? Of course, Connor said that he's son Max back in 2013. Rush with the trash talk. You also see Max's wife with the arms up like, come on now. Again, credit to Max Holloway for how classy he was throughout the week, but also in the fight itself. Like a lot of people would have pounced and maybe you're taught to pounce, you know,

unless the referee stops the fight, you know, you got to keep going. You got to go for the kill. And I thought he handled it the right way. So credit to him. And it didn't seem like there was much protest from Connor McGregor. Here's Holloway talking about the kick, the switch kick, the now infamous switch kick that Connor threw in the opening seconds of the fight. Was thrown. Were you surprised that he like ran at you with a, with a.

Not at all. Not at all. I thought he was going to, I thought he always jump in with a sidekick to the front leg or something. I was just surprised of how slow motion it looked in the air. I was like, whoa, 170 world is kind of fun. And we did show the tweet earlier of Max Holloway saying it wasn't how the fight, you know, how he wanted it to go. But this, I think, is also classy, not the outcome we wanted. Well, I'm sure they wanted that specific outcome.

but I think that he is referring to the fact that the fight felt a little bit unceremonious. But God's plan is always the right one. He says, Thank you, Connor for the fight. He also did say, by the way, afterwards, like, you know, let's do it again. Let's get that money. And some people said that maybe that was his lone slip-up, if you will, like, hey, man, we just paid a lot of money to watch you guys pretty much not fight.

Maybe now's not the best time to talk about getting that money. But, you know, I understand. I understand what he said. Can't confirm it was the biggest payday of his career. And of course, that's not the biggest surprise we consider the opponent. Anytime you fight Connor McGregor, it's the biggest payday of your career. Something that kind of stole a lot of headlines. And in fact, I'm being told might be the most watched clip in the history of the uncrowned Instagram account, which is getting close to 100K. If you want to follow, we'd appreciate it. YouTube, by the way, getting very close, if not already,

at 450, which was a goal by the end of our time here in Las Vegas. Let's see. Let's see. see live. We made it, I'm being told. If you're watching us live right now, if you want to hit the sub, it goes a long way. We're at 450-21. So shout out to all of us for getting to that 450 number. Love it. Anyway, I'm being told by my guy Spencer, the most watched clip in the history of our Instagram is Sophie Cunningham of the Indiana Fever, who I'm a big fan of. In fact, I wanted to go to the Indiana Fever versus Las Vegas Aces game yesterday, but I was overruled,

so we went to Summer League instead, which was great, by the way. Why didn't we do first first, first? I said first, first, or second second. And then I went on game time and there were no tickets. There were like one set of four for about

$1,200, $1,300? Crazy. Honestly, to see a generational player like Sophie and Caitlin we should have this? I thought and Ms. Wilson you know. Yeah, what's her first name again? Asia. Nailed it.

I thought it would have been a lot of fun. But I did enjoy Summer League. We got to see AJ DeBanza. We got to see a great second quarter between the Spurs and the Bucks. Got to see Patrick Ewing like right over there. Bro, we saw Coach Cal from like five feet away. Saw Coach Cal, saw Jeff Van Gundy.

It was a lot of fun. You go to Summer League and there's a game happening at Thomas and Mac and I didn't realize Cox Pavilion was right next door. You could just walk like, I don't know, two minutes from where we were indoors. And it's right there. It feels like you're at an AAU tournament, a kid's youth basketball tournament. There's just games, people walking everywhere, players walking everywhere,

agents walking everywhere, coaches walking everywhere. It was a lot of fun. Anyway, Sophie Cunningham was a ring girl. Dana White said afterwards, it all transpired in eight or so minutes. He said, he saw her, she joked. He said, you want to do it? Great. You're going to do it for the first round going into the second of the Patty Pimbleb fight.

Was it the first, no, it was at the beginning of the Patty Pimbleb fight. So, of course, that guarantees that it's going to happen. First going to second, it wouldn't have happened. Anyway, afterwards, she got in the cage and got to do the infamous Max Holloway pose, and he got to do the infamous Sophie Cunningham pose. It was a pose off. Sophie's a star. Yesterday, before the Aces game, she talked about how it all came about.

Here's what she had to say. Soviy, when did you find out about last night's opportunity to do what you did? Literally like five minutes before. So me and Dana have kind of become friends, and he's an amazing dude, and UFC is awesome. And so I went to my first live fight last night, which was so cool. The main fight was little, but the whole experience overall was wonderful. And Dana came over to say what's up, and I was like, hey, if you need a ring girl, let me know. And he's like, all right, like, first round for the patty fight.

Like that's you, I was like, yeah. He's like, no, seriously. And I was like, oh, God. It was so much fun, though. Like, it was just a great environment. So not that you were like super involved, but you had done time to practice or anything. You just show up and hold the card up.

At the end of the day, you hold a card up and you turn left. So hopefully I could do that. But the girls actually, the ring girls, the real ones, they were helping me. And it was fun. Like, there really is, like, you have to have a little personality, a little sass to it. But it was a good time.

Being in Vegas, I think you also went to a beach club a couple days ago. Just whether, what's it like having these kinds of opportunities out here? Yeah, you know, I think there's more people who went to the five, last night than just me. And so I think that's part of, you know, where the WMBA's is that people want us to be involved and are giving us those opportunities. And so anytime we can go and support another sport and, you know, our schedule is brutal. We really don't get to do a lot of stuff. And you guys know that because you guys are in our travel party as well. And so when we do have a couple days to, you know, team bond or go do stuff that is fun and

extracurricular, of course we're going to say yeah to that. All right. So there you have it. Sophie Cunningham, moonlighting as an Octagon girl on Saturday. Dustin Porey was with Teddy Atlas yesterday reacting to the McGregor fight and a whole bunch of other things. Here's what he had to say about that opening few seconds. Adrenaline excitement for finally coming back after five years. I don't know what he was thinking to open the fight. I don't know whose game plan this was to open the fight with a flying sidekick or a roundhouse kick, whatever he threw. when you're dry, you know, it's just crazy to me the way the fight started and ended.

It's tough to say, man, because he did kind of hop on that one foot when he was taking his shoe off, but it's tough to say. If you knew you were injured, I doubt you would throw a jumping sidekick. Yeah, you know, that's what I said as well, although I think it, uh, it's a lot more impactful when someone like Dustin Porrier says it as opposed to me. He also weighed in on whether or not Connor McGregor is a quitter. As I said, some people are like, hey, you know, two months ago, Carlos Alberg is winning a fight with a torn ACL knocking out Yeri Prakaska. Why couldn't you fight through that? You did it 13 years ago. Here's what he has to say. I just don't, you know, I've had a lot of time with Connor over the past 12 years, and I just don't think he's a quitter like that.

He doesn't, that's tough for me. I don't know if that's possible with him. If he knew, if he wanted a built-in excuse, a storyline that's already wrote itself and he can blame it on his leg, do something dumb. I don't know if he's that type of guy. You know, I'll say a lot of bad stuff about him, but a quitter, I'm not sure. You know, he's a real competitor and wants to win. And I doubt he needed the money. It's not like he said, well, I have to go through this and get into this ring with this injury because I need the money. This is the only way the guy's got money. It wasn't like he was showing up for a paycheck.

I really don't understand what went on. Shout out to Teddy Atlas, his great podcast as well. DP looking in good spirits. Shout to him too. Here's Sean Strickland weighing in on. on steroids after the McGregor fight? What does old Sean have to say? I'm not saying this is it, but every homie I have that has done steroids for too long, their bodies become so fragile. I'm not saying that's why, but it does weaken everything that has also been discussed.

We talked to Dr. Suter about this. Nate Diaz, so a whole bunch of people came out of the woodwork on Saturday. I'm not just talking about the fans, but luminaries. Nate Diaz talking about the, the welterweights. I made everyone welterweight. Now, this was before the fight, so he's implying that, I don't know, maybe Connor stuck around at Welchweight. Here's the stuff that I'm referring to, Bud Crawford, after the fight weighing in. It's crazy when they talk shit to me, God punish them. So I do think he's talking about Connor in that regard. Jake Paul put a bunch of laughing emojis after the McGregor fight, But then afterwards did share some positive sentiments, his direction.

Bullshit aside, prayers for you and your family. God does not like ugly, but God always forgives. Forgiveness is unconditional and limitless, provided through faith and sincere repentance. Here's Chris Cyborg sending love to Connor McGregor, sending prayers your way, Irish icon and legend, and her old foe Gina Carrano also sent her some love. excuse me, sent him some love. And this is a long message, but it's really about, you know, when people say, ah, it was rigged, it was fake, the fighter threw the fight for money or fame. She's having none of that. She does say at the end, it's one of the hardest sports of the world

and the most vulnerable, and to reach career heights and then come back after a 5, 10, or 17-year layoff. Of course, she's talking about herself there. It takes balls. Most people don't even know exists, especially when it's not something you have to do, but something you choose to do. You wonder, quote, God, why did it have to go that way after all the sacrifice and hard work, but ultimately his will will be done? Then you live, you learn, and you move forward. The journey isn't over. In a way, it's a whole new beginning.

If you're not failing, you're not trying respect. So beautiful words, as per usual, by Gina Carrano. So everyone weighing in on this, and I'm sure there'll be much more to weigh in. There were some cool scenes before the fight as well. Connor and Alex Pereira meeting for the first. first time. You could see how excited Alex Pereira was to finally meet Connor McGregor. They were kind of, you know, fighting at different periods, different era. Five years ago, Pereira isn't who he is today. Here's that interaction. Alex, what's up, brother, all right?

How are you? Strong boy. Good blood. Champion blood. Champion blood. Excellent. You're very good. Ready, ready, ready. Ready for a good fight. Keep going. One lucky last time. You know, back of head, I see. You know, back of head, I see. I see it, but don't let it go. Let it go. Follow. You can tell Connor pays attention to what's going on because he's referring to the Herb Dean stuff there.

Let it go. Excuse me, move on, move on, let it go. But a great interaction. And afterwards, Perra was saying to him, you know, just how much meeting him meant to him and how much he wanted to meet him over the years. Speaking of Pereira, it seems like it's all good between him and John Jones, They had a nice little interaction at the Wayans as well. I want Alexville, I didn't know no disrespect me about that.

Jane of wife was saying, hey, you know, he's going to be the greatest fighter ever. I felt, I thought, I thought it by Dana's confidence. That was more, like me. Yeah, okay. I thought like Dana was trying to attack me. Somebody to try to take everything from you. I was just like, go on, man. So I mean, no viciousness.

Gama. Gellma. Yeah. Please go look tomorrow. I thank you. Thanks for the words. That wasn't bad. I love that stuff.

And interesting to hear John say that he felt disrespected by Dana's comments, that he felt like Dana was taking a shot at him by saying if Alex Perra would have won that interim title, he'd be the greatest of all time. And I sort of felt that same way. It felt like a bit of a shot at John, considering, you know, Dana had always said that he was the man and nothing seemed to be on the horizon to change that stance. You saw Gable Stephson right there in that shot. Obviously, he had the big win. And we'll ask you're quick about it, perhaps afterwards.

But he had the big win over Ellison. He was involved in some drama with Josh Hokit and Bo Nicol as well. Here's Gable talking about Josh Hokit. There's different levels. Yeah, of course. What are your thoughts on his wrestling and he's run in the heavyweight division right now? I think my thoughts in his wrestling is I've never seen him in a bracket that I was in. Every single time that he made it to, maybe the national tournament, I was always the number one seed and I never saw him in that bracket.

So I've always wondered where was Josh Hokie? Because he did wrestle heavyweight, he went from the 197 to heavyweight, and I never saw him in a bracket. I never met him, I never wrestled him. I never even thought about the thought of, man, what would it be like to wrestle Josh Hokka? And you gotta think about it because if Bo Nickel can go, out there and pin you. Bo Nickel. You think Boonecker can pin me? I don't think so, not.

Bo Nickel cannot pin me. You know what I would do to Bo Nickel in a wrestling match? It'd be... I'll beat Bo Nickel 10, 0, and under a minute. That easy. So when I think about Josh Hokka as a fighter, I think he's a great fighter. I think it's fantastic. He's selling himself. He's a salesman. He's the man that people want to see. He's the man that the kids on TikTok, the 12-year-olds that are gravitating to him, are really going for him. I'm a fan of Josh Hokie. He's got great words. He's got fantastic fights. He's got great show and

but when you mention wrestling, he's not on the same level with me. And when you mention fighting, it will be the same thing. Some spiciness from Mr. Gable Steefson. Josh Hokit writing on social media that he's going to clear the heavyweight division. There is a sentiment that he should go down to 205. Gable was talking about that. He talks about his accolades there.

If I didn't have a split schedule and trained year-round like everyone else, only generational wrestling talents like Bowen Gable could have competed with me. But remember, this ain't wrestling. If anyone signs up to fight me in a fist fight, better have a good insurance policy. It will take your doctor time to put your face back together unless you quit like the last guy I fought. This includes the guy that trains you. I'm the baddest man on the planet.

UFC, give me surreal and I'll prove it. I will clear this whole division out by the end of 2027. You won't have to wonder how fights will go. I actually want them. I want to fight them all. I just want to get paid when I do, which means I need the title. But there was like a little bit of a love trying there between Gable, Hocit, Bo-Nichol, they're all coming at each other.

In fact, even Chale Sunnan weighed in and was like, hey, guys, wrestling, fraternity, let's not fight. Don't do it. It seems like there's an update here. The Vegas dryness is getting to me, Frank. It seems like there's an update here from Corey Sanhagen on his leg post-fight. Golly, look at that. Remember the Suleev stretch, which he was able to kind of shake off.

off. Suleyav stretch at the end of the first, Mario Batista. Second round, looked like Corey was okay, ends up losing the fight. I thought he won the second and then lost the third. Here's Corey standing insane, freaking bummer man. Losing in fighting is the most embarrassing thing ever. Sucks, pretty sure the knee bar tore my hamstring in the first. Getting MRI this week. It kept locking out weird if I did certain things, so that kind of messed up my game plan. Congrats to Mario. He was well prepared. First was close, but he won it with any of our. I agree. And I won. I agree.

Surprisingly because the leg was jacked. Yes, I agree. Third, I wanted to have the same round as before but got dropped. Got a fight near perfect to win at the top. Something I need to get better at. Appreciate the love from you guys. Enjoy your week. Love you, peace.

Man. That was nasty. Whoops. Great fight. Amazing fight. Love that fight. Actually, there was a lot of similarities between that fight and the Lonnie Kavanaugh, Brandon Royville fight.

Royville won the first Kavanaugh won the second Royville finishes in the third same thing with that particular fight those two fights back to back

were amazing the whole card was great again that's why the oh what have been embarrassed what a horrible night for the UFC was total nonsense

Khan hasn't fun in five years UFC doing just fine it's not like everything hinges on his success speaking of Mario Battista

Venisius Olivera called him out after the win congratulations but he said, you piece of shit. I fought with a broken arm and gave you the confidence you need for your next fights. I'm like a father to you. Golly.

Very intense. Terrence McKinney and King Green, I want to say stole the show, but really, like, did a good job of selling their fight. Their fight delivered. Terrence was so close to finishing King Green. I maintain. I thought Terrence survived the first, but no harm. no foul, amazing comeback. King's story is amazing. The fact that he's still doing this in

2026 all these years later, amazing. Very fun fight. Didn't win fight of the night, but was as exciting as any fight on this card. And I think most of us expected it to only last a round. In the end, it was 4.59. Tremendous shorts there by King Green. Maybe the best of the custom shorts, a little triple-H nod there. Here's Terrence McKinney after the fight on social media. Got me in the liver, but the ref should have let it go to the next round. Only two seconds left or one. I'm proud of the growth I had.

Wasn't just tweaking. Pick my shots. Well, be back. Congrats Bobby Green. No, no, no punctuation. It's very hard to read this. No punctuation. But I agree.

I think he should have seen a second round. Anyway, seems like the beef was squashed because they were out. partying and celebrating and kibbetsing after the fight. This is big bro. That's your fun as hell. Yeah, that. You all tune in for our next and baby. We're coming.

Yeah, that. Let's go. Yes, go. There were all kinds of great moments. I mean, I said earlier, Patty was on fire, checked off all the boxes. He's a superstar. Everyone dancing afterwards. Look at this.

Look at this from Patty. The celebration was amazing. Dan, dan, dun, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan. Dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan, dan. Remember when I told you guys about Patty in 2017? Remember that? Remember when I told Pizzi about that? Where's your head at?

Where's your head at? Where's your head at? It is quite the move. The arms? Look at this, look at this. Oh, is this when he went to Vince Vaughan and him? They really hate when you jump on the cage. A lot of people are still upset that on Paramount Plus, you can't see the replays.

What's up with that? What's going on over here? The full replays. Anyway, Dana White addressed this at the presser. I know a lot of you are worried about this and upset about it and annoyed. Here's what you had to say. I think everybody's loving the partnership. The one thing I keep hearing about is fans can't watch full replays on Paramount Plus.

I wonder if you'd been made aware of this and if this is a strategic choice on their part or why they can't watch full events. Made aware of it. My kids were torturing. me that they couldn't watch the White House fight over again, you know. It's not wrong, but, but the problem is the music, uh, you know, the music and, and you gotta take the walkouts out. So is there any, I mean, do you, we're working on it. Yeah, we're working on it. Uh, by the way, why was, this is the one thing. I need to ask some people, why was ESPN able to do it and not paramount? Are they just not paying for the license? Do you think that's what it is, Frankie?

I think it's absolutely that. And it's just different, you know, different licenses are different entities and it's not as easy as we would hope. Okay. We do have some breaking news I'm seeing here. Well, this is a massive bummer. I didn't see this earlier. It seems like Khalil Roundtree is out of his fight against Mago Medankelaev July 25th. Here it is due to an injury. Cleo Roundtree out of UFC Abu Dhabi. Stepping in against selling my throw, Frankie, stepping in against number one ranked Magoamadalkaliive will be Uzbekistan's top ranked fighter, Number 10, Bogdan Guskov. Excuse me.

You want some tea or something, man? Would be great. I would love it. 18 wins. 18 finishes with 13 in the very first round. Gustav will look to make the most of his first UFC main event against the former champion. What about Paulo Costa? We're going to have him in in a matter of moments.

I'm going to ask him if he was called. That would have made sense, right? Paulo versus Ancolaev at 205? Come on. That's a bummer. I was really looking forward to that. He's top rank

fighter. Yeah. Like, you know, just could just just top ranked

ranked. No, no, he's top five in Uzbekistan. No, he's number one

in Uzbekistan. Okay. Coming out. In Uzbekistan. Got it. Yes. Well, that's, that's important.

We're still waiting on Tom Aspinall. There's some thought that they're going to have him or at least extend an offer for him to fight in Abu Dhabi, not on July 25th,

but in October when they do a numbered event there. Here he is saying that he too is waiting. Listen, we'd let the UFC know that we're ready to go and we're just waiting for dates

which literally we told them we can do it in Paris we can tell them we can do it wherever they want so we're just waiting for them to let us know I'm in the gym smashing it we will be with you the week after

we'll come and film a bit of a sash got the boys back in town so we'll keep people updated but as we say the UFC We're waiting on them. Yeah, I'll wait on them. What I'm hearing is

Abu Dhabi is being sort of targeted, but let's see, there's some stuff that has to happen between now and then, and that would be in October. Speaking of British heavyweights, it is official, Johnny Fisher signing with Zoufa boxing. The Rumford Bull. Look at this.

Johnny Fisher has signed with Zufa boxing. that. And I believe I saw Darshan say it's a one-fight deal for him. So they also announced that they're going to, they're going to London in September. I'm trying to see this. Yeah. One-fight deal for him to headline a Sky Sports show on September 26 at the Copper Bosch. Makes sense. That's his spot. So Johnny Fisher for now, no longer a member of matchroom. Crazy. Speaking of heavyweight champs, Roman Reins has invited Jalen Brunson to Saturday night's main event. As you can see, the OTC, the King of New York, Jalen Brunson, the Mecca, let's have the whole world acknowledge us at Saturday night's main event.

And I am so jealous because Jailen Brunson, the mecca. Dylan Brunson has accepted. Jordan, are we pulling up? I'm there. I already got my tickets. You got yours? J.B.N. the OTC? God, I want to go. I'll probably get tickets to that before I get my championship merch. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry.

Still waiting. I just got word that my bedazzled shirt was delivered today. You know, I did see that in person on Friday, and I'd rather have no merch than that. Nah, you're crazy. You're absolutely crazy. You're absolutely crazy. For some reason, we spend 30 minutes on boxing, A.J. Fury, all kinds of non-UFC 329 related things. Look, I understand Dana's not always available and he seems to have a little bit more, you know, panash when it comes to the boxing stuff these days. Ryan Garcia is up there. Connor Ben is up there. Chakur gets signed. They call him Jalen Williams, all this stuff and more. It does feel like, you know, we need to keep it a little bit to the topic at hand, which,

as UFC and UFC 329, but he was asked once again, you know what part of the problem is? He's not saying anything. Every time he's asked about us, Shakur, Ryan, this, down and the other, Judge Meenier. I know where A.J. Fury is. It's all the same old hits over and over and over again. Here he is talking about A.J. Fury. Tyson Fury, his fight. Anthony Joshua.

Is there any update on what's happening? Is it happening in the middle of the night in London or when is it happening? Do you have any update about that fight? Yeah. As soon as, listen, if I was ready to go with it, I'd tell you. Again, in Bournemouth, I said, I know where the fight is. Where is it? I know.

Also, just on that as well, what is your message to the mayor of London, I guess? Because Turkey Al-Lashake has been speaking out. What's your message to Mayor of Mayor? What's my message to the Mayor of London? About giving you this, or about giving the Fury and an AJ fight this kind of exemption to go so late. I don't know anything about that. Listen, I have my own plans. I know what I'm doing.

I have nothing to say to the mayor of London negatively or positively. Every event I've ever done in London has been incredible. And, yeah, I'm not in the middle of that. I'm in my own little fucking world over here, and I do my thing. So you're not in the middle of Fury and Agent. What do you say? Am I what? Are you in the middle of Fury and Agent?

You're involved. I know where the fight is. Thank you. Are you going to go right over here? Oh, Jesus. That was the best part, by the way. This one guy was trying to get, trying to get him to, you know, answer his question,

and he couldn't get through. Oh, Jesus. Matter of seconds, we're going to be joined, or maybe minutes, by Paul Costa. He will be our final interview here in Vegas. We told you about Marab and the whole dust-up in Georgia. We have more footage of Marabreux. punching someone. What is this?

What's your problem? What's your problem? What's your problem? What's your power? They just show it. Shanii, they just show it. What's your... Wow. Umar and Magamadov weighed in on this. Here's what he had to say. On the caucuses, caucuses, a man is defined by honored dignity and hospitality. My friend only asked why you were talking behind someone's back. I don't need to insult you to feel like a man who you really are is shown when there's no crowd and no one to step in. There is something

at the bottom there made with AI. Like did Umar, do you think he just translated it via AI? You think he was like, just plug in something like about the caucus region. Interesting. Or maybe is it possible he wrote it in Russian?

That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just a translation. Yeah, I don't know. Who is to check? Who is to check? Wow. That was almost simultaneously. We did not plan that. Wow. Yes, we did. Here's Armatirukian talking about Marab.

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I'm cool. I'm just on secret dress for this morning. Yeah, yeah. Wow, this is beautiful. Yeah. I'm really impressed with the branding, Paolo. Thank you. Thank you.

This is a collaboration. Dio is a company in California. Okay. We made this collab for energy drink. and what thing is coming up? Like, health drink is coming up. What's my main thing about secret juice? Cheers, brother.

This is it. This is fine. I'm finally drinking the secret juice. Yeah, yeah. I'm very excited. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

Tell me. Hello. Honestly, I'm not just saying it. Oh, thank you for the tea. My throat was delicious. You like that? Really? For real.

Tell us, tell us. Talk into the microphone. Give them a review. Absolutely delicious. Very sweet, very tasty. Thank you. What do you think of the hair? It's grown in nice.

Yes, it's beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Looks amazing. Like a wave, like a wave. Palo, I have to say, it's very good. Yeah. This is good for you? Very good. Very good.

It tastes too good to be good for you. I mean, no, yeah, there is no sugar. There is very low calorie, just five colors per can. So it's help you to maintain the focus, to be active. Paulo, I'm very impressed. I'm not just saying it. Thank you. From the heart.

Yeah, yeah. No, they made a great job. Dio team and Secret Juice team make a beautiful job. Where can people get it now? They can get on different place already. I think we have more than 50 places already in California. We're going to spread out. Thank you, brother.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, well, congratulations and thank you. Thank you. And as I give you, I just knew right now you make a birthday four days ago. Yes. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 44. Could you believe it? You look so young.

I look good for 44. You look phenomenal in person. Your hair is beautiful today. Yeah. Yeah? Turkey? Yeah, after Turkey. You went to Turkey, yeah? No, I didn't end, but a Turkey comes from me.

They come for you. Yeah. What do you mean? I have a Turkish friend and a Turkish doctor. In America? No. He's Turkey. Yeah, yeah.

But where did you do it? In Brazil. Oh, in Brazil, okay. Yeah, he opened a clinic in Brazil and open a clinic in Miami as well. Okay. So if you guys want to find out, I need to find the name. But he's amazing, he's amazing. You can check on my stories.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. You know, we just got breaking news, Paolo. We have a lot to talk about, but we just got breaking news about Khalil Roundtree. You saw this? I saw this. And I said, so he's out of his fight in two weeks, and I was like, oh, I wonder. why maybe if they called Paulo, this would have been a good fight for you against Magamette. Did they call you?

They called. They did? They called yesterday. Serious? Yes. Wow. Yeah. What happened?

But I think he's so short notes, like less than 14 days. Yeah. Get a fly to Abu Dhabi, 16 hours fly to Abu Dhabi for five rounds for the same money and not for Interim Belt. I don't think this makes sense right now. Did you think about it or was it a no right away? I think about it, but it doesn't make sense. Okay.

I think, yeah, my weight is not bad. I'm 234 right now. I should start a very restricted diet. Because I need like seven weeks, eight weeks to make weight properly. Yeah. Different than mid-on, when I fight for middleweight that I need 12, maybe 14 weeks. now I can get a fight faster. But I think

just get this fight for so short notice, it doesn't make sense. For five rounds, why? Five rounds. Also, one of the better light heavy weights. Yeah, you know what I mean?

It's a very good fight. Do you think that they offered you this because you have been publicly criticizing them? And so it's like, all right, here you go. Here's an offer. There is a good question. I think so.

Does that bother you? I'll be because the way that they handed out these negotiations, I think it's not the best way. I think they're pushing good talents away from them. They create a distance. They create kind of beef between fighters and the guy who negotiated. I don't think this is good. I think, we have seen this in the past.

Francis was one of these guys. They pushed so hard, push so hard, and they push him away, and they give him to big events, like MVP. MVP, that I saw you there. Yeah, yeah. That was amazing. Thank you, my friend. Yeah.

And so, yeah, I don't think this is the correct approach. And at some time, I think they should have a different approach. it was about two weeks ago you went on Twitter and you really poured your soul out and you were talking about how frustrated you were that you can't get a fight. What prompted you to do that? What made you do that in that moment? Here's the tweet, by the way. Since I defeated Azamad in April, I've been looking for the next fight. I've eventually opened the door to fight at heavyweight. UFC told me to wait, wait. Here we are. It's already July and I'm still looking to fight someone else at light heavyweight, middleweight or even heavyweight. But the answer from the UFC by Hunter Campbell is the

same wait I want to fight I don't want to wait I have just one more fight on my contract and I want this fight to happen soon but for some reason they don't so what what prompted you to write this I was being very honest that's the the real feeling I'm I in mind this is completely true I'm looking for a fight but not a short notes fight for five rounds in Abu Dhabi yeah those those are good right right right that's in 12 days so they asked you yesterday 13 days yeah yeah so they offered that fight just to get a no as answer for me do they extend your contract when you say now come on they extend for six months uh because of that i that's i don't know that's not right because i'm confused because

there was some misunderstanding some mistakes but yeah i don't i don't i don't i don't i don't I don't understand exactly how they, they, uh, configureate that things and extensions and stuff. I'm not allowed. Uh, attorney. I think this is a more, more about, uh, you need to know the small letters on the contract. Yeah.

But I'm a fighter. I just fight. So when, when I say that, uh, that was my feeling. I want to fight. Since I fight in April, I'm looking for a fight. Either way, to fight for interring belt. I think I should fight for interring belt right now. If you look for the entire division, the light heavy weight,

nobody comes from in the top five, even the top ten, there is no big name come from victory. Everybody's come from losses beside me. I'm the only one who beat a beast, Azamad. He wasn't defeated. He had no losses until I fight him. I knock him out in the turnaround. around. Even then White and Hunter come after me after fight, come at me after fight and they say,

I think this is your biggest victory in your career. Maybe. But not happening. And I'm looking for a fight and they didn't offer me a properly fight. Like, give me eight weeks to fight somebody else. I don't care who. I even open the doors to middle eight or halfway. You know, of course, I prefer to fight for interim belt. I think I deserve to fight for that right now. Because if you look for the history, people who come from losses don't use to fight for the belt right after. So I'm able to fight.

Jerry has pronounced, he wants to fight me. I'm okay with that fight. We can't make that fight. Maybe for interim belt or not. I don't know. I think Carlos Zubber going to be out for. a long time. I think they're going to strip the belt from him.

You think so? I think so. I think because he flew up the knee. ACL. NCL and both sides. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the vigaments was... This is what you think or what you've been told?

No, that's what I... And I have been told, not officially, but, you know, we have CPI every day, so we hear something. Yeah, yeah. And we knew. When you have this kind of injury, you will not be back so soon. And he wants to gain confidence to fight again. And, you know, this is MMA.

You can put him down. He can turn his knee. So I think they're going to strip his belt because he will not be back in 12 months. You think they'll strip him or do you think it'll be interim? Interim. Okay. When I say strip, I would mean. Introduce a new book.

Oh, strip. I don't know. I don't know the politics. How they decide there is no rhyme or reason. You know how this? No, no. There's no like blueprint. There's no rules.

They decide whatever they want. So you think that happens. And then the problem is, I don't know if they'll give you title shot if you have one fight left. Because if you have, you know what I mean? You're not going to fight one fight, one fight, win the belt. And now all of a sudden, you're free agent. But it's not correct.

because I agree with you. I think you, I think same. I think they will not give me a fight if this is going to be my last unless I resign a long-term new deal. Six fights, eight fights, something like that, and you'll never get out of it.

So it means I need to resign a contract with a company just for fight for Interimbell. So what do you want to do? What I want to do? Yeah. I want to finish this contract. You want to be a free agent? or give me an offer.

I told the UFC already, give me an offer, a big offer, not a shit offer. Yeah. Give me a good offer and I'm going to talk. But they prefer not talk. They prefer not go to the table. Why?

Because I think they feel I'm a very good position and they are on the better position. They are on a weakened position right now. Because you're coming off a great win. And nobody comes from a victory. So they haven't made you an offer yet. No, they didn't. Are you upset about this?

Not a fight offer or a contract. Okay, if you don't give my offer, just give me a fight. Yeah. So either way, I'm going to fight for Interim Belt or going to make one fight and going to be free. Right. Do you think about being free and what the market would be like for you? I would imagine a lot of people want to be in business with you.

You're a popular guy. You're a fun fighter. Yeah, of course. I'm not ideal. I know I'm a popular guy. I know I have a. a room on different organizations. I can do different kind of things.

And they knew this as well. They help. I'm very grateful for UFC. They help me to, they grow my brain. I have a secret juice right now. And this is due to FC popularity. But yeah, let's talk. Let's be fair.

I just want to be fair. I just want to be a nice guy. Have you asked them why no offers? April, May, June, July. Why is it taking so long just to get a fight? Have they told you? No, they didn't told me. I think they made that fight

on Kalaev against Kaliu. I think they push so hard for those guys upset, except that match for five rounds or stuff and Abu Dhabi. Because Kaliu, I was following him on social media. He looks, he does look so good. good. It looks out shape.

Okay. So I think they push so hard and he got injury. Because why they push so hard for this matchup? Because I think they thought we should have another top five guy come from victory to not just have Paulo Costa. Oh. So we can. You think they're thinking like that?

Of course. Okay. Okay. So we can train him. Like if he doesn't accept to fight on New Cross. If you don't accept to resign a new contract, if Paul Costa does upset, resign a new contract, we're going to put the winner of Cadill and Ancalaev to fight for interring belt against somebody maybe jury.

So they can manipulate. But because this fight fall apart, thanks God, I think I'm still in a very good position. Do you think that, do you think they want to be in? in the Palo Costa business. Do you think they want to be in business with you? Do you think they want you to be fighting in the UFC? Sorry, I didn't get. Do you think that they want to be in business with you,

that they want you to resign, or do you think that they want you to lose in your last fight so that you don't have the leverage? No, I want it. They don't keep. Okay. For what I hear from one of the managers, Tiki, Tick told him

He's one of your managers, right? Yeah, he's not the only one. We have a group. Oh, really? Yeah. Tamara. Tamara, Tiki. You have more?

We have a lot of attorneys. Yeah, yeah. So, I hear that for different Tiki. But I think I don't want to draw it. Chiki is so close with the breasts. Yeah. Yeah. And I just, we just decide, put him away.

be for this negotiation specific okay because some people might keep him because he is so close why you put him more sometimes is sometimes it's not conflict interest conflict yes you're very smart guy palo tomorrow too i know tomorrow very yeah yeah yeah not i'm not only one yeah well you know there's some there's there's something to be said sometimes i'm not saying in this case at siki but if you're so close to the UFC, I feel like sometimes it's a problem because it's like, are you trying to just keep your relationship with the UFC

or are you trying to do what's best for the client? Do you want to be in fight with them? Yeah, but this is a good question. What a good relationship means? Yeah. It's all about numbers. Right. I have a try and being their friends,

but it's all about numbers. When the things come closer, and we need to decide something, the numbers speak louder. So it's not about friendship. I try, but it's not how the thing works, unfortunately. Yeah. Are you frustrated right now? Would you say right now you're frustrated?

Yes, because I'm trying to be a kind of businessman. I'm not a businessman. I'm trying. I'm more 90% fighter than other things. but and this this biggest part of myself as fighter want to fight right you know that's why I need help of people and the UFC is so powerful in comparison with the fighters so sometimes most of the times fighters feel vulnerable because the company is so big and they have too much power on you and they use this

power to get the benefits for them so you need to be very smart very calm don't know that sometimes i want to send everybody go fuck it they self yeah and i i think again uh okay i're gonna behave you think before you tweet oh yeah multiple times oh because i see your tweet sometimes it seems like sometimes sometimes i'm joking sometimes you know i just let it flow some Sometimes I'm not. Sometimes I regret, I go back and I delight something. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah.

I told guys, I talked with Hunter and Tiki yesterday. I told guys, and I told Tiki, I am chaos agent. I'm very conflicted guy. I want the beef. I want the confrontation. So don't tread on me, please. Oh, I like it. Yeah, don't tread on me.

I'm here to all in. Like, we are on poker table here. I like to try my look. To gamble. To gamble. I'm a gamble. And I appreciate Denny White. Den Wright is not take care of business anymore.

Yeah, yeah. I don't know what he's doing, what he's holler right now. But he's kind of the same guy. He like the fire. He like to be very close to the fire, you know. Maybe just touch and oh, this is fine, this is very hot, but I like to feel the warm of the thing. And I think in the same way, I think, you know, White is the guy who look eye to eye and it's different from Hunter. Okay.

Hunt is more the other guy, he's a lower attorney. Which approach you like better? I don't know. I don't know. How was the call with Hunter? What were you going to say? Yeah, I don't want to create some... Problem.

Animosity. How was it yesterday? Was he cool after the tweets and all that? Yeah, I told him, you know, guys, what you're doing, it looks bad on the company and yourself. You guys trying too much, push too much, using your power against the fighters, who is a vulnerable part over here. You're attorney, you're a good attorney, you know. these extensions, this stuff is clearly you try and manipulate stuff to push for your sign. It doesn't make you look good.

When I go public of that, you turn out looking bad. Yeah, that's been the case for a while. It's just a lot of people don't want to go public. You know? Because you'll be reprimanded. Honestly, can I be honest? I'm not surprised that they offered you the fight. it makes sense, but it feels to me like, hey, oh yeah,

you want to complain publicly? How about you fight Mago Man on Kalaev on 13 days notice? In Abu Dhab, for five rounds, for the same money. For the same money. If they would have up the money, would you have taken it? Then, then. Something to consider. Something to consider.

Same money. Did you ask? Oh, yes. I asked you, I ask you, say, I don't think they're going to raise this money, something significantly. I say, oh, fuck. You know? They just did $26 million gate for Connor McGregor.

26. 26. Most ever. And you know what? You see Shannon Mali, you know, better than me. I'm not the only one. We have Francis, have Sherman Mali say he got like 500. 600, he said.

600 K to fight for White House. He stopped fire, former champ. And at the same time, you see a guy, Ben, Ben something, is a boxer. Connor Ben. Connor Ben the guy is not even top five never been champion and got like 15 millions

yeah well they just signed another boxer named Shakur Stevenson uh shakur is a good guy very good fighter one of the best but he is getting in that same range too so so they're signing

boxers in the 10 to 15 million range are UFC fighters being signed in the 10 to 50 million range how many fighters in the UFC are getting 10 to 50 million for a fight true To it?

Connor. John Jones? Maybe Pereira, maybe. No. I don't think so. You know what I mean? It's kind of wild. I mean, you need to be the goat to get that level.

Yeah. And the guy's just coming to a container. Boxing, which they're not doing big shows like they're doing here yet. It's different sports, we know, but this is something that piss me off. When we last spoke in April, you were upset about. Josh Hokit and the bonus. And then you saw Josh Hokit in New Jersey. How was that?

I asked for my money. There you are. Yeah. Your hair looks great here too. Yes. It looks like Elvis. Yes. And so what was this?

There was AI. I had got to lie. Oh, it was AI? Yeah. Oh yeah, look at the guy. Guys, we just got AIed. But you did see him. I did.

Yeah, and what was it like? I did. I mean, sometimes he's a funny guy. Sometimes I love what he posts and stuff, what he's doing, but yeah, I was speaking again. Why are you mad at him, though, because the UFC gave him the money, not, he didn't take the money. So it shouldn't she did not at the UFC. Yeah, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I mean, my big problem is who decide.

Yes, who does decide? I don't know, maybe, aren't it? So, but you took it out on him? Yes, we have some, we speak then, and, but we could, talk too much because people come and say great. The UFC is very rich right now to not get fights going on, bro, stuff.

But yeah, that's okay. We're going to have our time. You want to fight them? I can. I can't. I can move for, I'm 234 right now. I can move for a heavyweight and fight him, especially him because it's not the

small, yeah. Did you see his fight at the White House? Yeah, he did great. Yeah. Asway as well. One more time. Always. What did you think of his post-fight interview? Yeah, man, I ever hear something about that. I'm a conspiratorianist.

I say that. Conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I am. But I don't know. I will not judge. You will not what? I will not judge. Judge, yeah.

Judge, Judge, Judge. But overall, you think he beat Alex Pereira? I heard that's what they're considering. It's an interesting fight. I think everybody can be beated. Of course, Alex is monster, but I think if he was his background in wrestling, it can be more interesting for him.

Were you surprised that night? Hamzat lost to Strickland. Yes. I was surprised. I was there watching. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That was, I surprised. I surprised him, gets out in the second round. Crazy, right? Yeah. And then the wrestling from Strickland, it was shocking. Strickley is a very tough guy.

People underestimate him sometimes. He did a great job. What did you think of the fact that it was so personal before and then after the fight right away, it was just for the entertainment? Maybe they are pushing so hard to sell this beef. I don't like that. I think I'm trying, at least right now,

I try more and more being honest with the feelings and thoughts. I think it's the best approach. Of course. Because this comeback badly, as come back after five days. Oh, we're friends. Sorry, guys, we just lie. Yeah. No, no good.

Yeah. Not your style. No, I mean, everybody should be more honest and less fake. Did you go to UFC 329? Saturday? Yeah, no, no. You watched it. They give me a ticket.

Come on. You asked? I ask. And nothing. No, no. What did they say? We, we busy, palo. We fool.

How does that make you feel? One of my coach says, I think they don't want to promote you before you resign. Okay. Are you at peace with that? Are you okay with that? Yeah, you know, if you feel, um, somebody you feel sometimes i feel like it'd be sad but it's okay did you watch i watch that was amazing okay what did you think of connor everyone you're you're a conspiracy theorist you said what

did you think not not not at that point corner was great before i think it just happened because he'll end one one one leg it can happen the canvas is soft yeah I don't think he was injury. If that was the question, I don't think he was injury before. No, he looks great before. I was so exciting. And I think he will be back. I hope he'll be back.

Connor, if you're watching this, I know you pass by very bad time, very bad time, but you always overcome, right? You are the legend. Come back. Stay strong. I think you are passing through dark times by dark forces.

He's trying to make you look bad. And people as well, people are going to come like a vulture. Vultures. Yeah. Thank you. As a vultures and say bad things, but the people who doesn't did 1% of what you did, so come back stronger,

I believe on you you're the legend I think you're the gold Wow You think he's the greatest of all time I think so Really? Anderson did the great things

But Conno was different On commercial aspect Who could imagine I mean if I make 30 million dollars Right So yeah

And he fought Mayweather Yeah He did something He had chair of something that nobody called the highest paid fighter in UFC history

most underpaid fighter in UFC history he was no because I mean like he's still even though he's the highest paid he still doesn't get what I think he actually deserves because he's so popular you know the gate all that stuff he's so popular and he's still even though he's the highest paid I still think he's

when you actually break it down most underpaid you know what I mean given the impact that he has on the business now can I ask you are you surprised he's started that way. He didn't fight for five years and then he does this jumping running switch kick. Are you surprised he did that? On my opinion, it's a very good question. On my opinion, he was so prepared, he was so confident because he likes to do hard sparrings. You know, he don't just touch, like some guys like to do not go hard on sparring. Conno like that.

And I understand that because this is necessary when you stay a lack of inactivity. A long time not fighting. You need to go hard and spying as most close to the real to feel the same sensation that you're going to have in the fight. So I think he was, okay, I'm okay. I don't feel lack of nothing. I'm good because I did spar for two months with young guys, different guys for each. round so I can do this during my I could do this during my my training camp so I can do this right now but unfortunately I think this is something that happened one in

and a hundred you know one thousand I think I'm not so surprised because he used to do some plastic kicks in the very beginning the fight he did against Chad Manny's he did against other guys, I don't remember exactly who, but he like spinning back kick, he like flying kick. So it's who he is, you know, if he felt like I'm not the same anymore, he would start more conservative. No, I understand that. I was saying earlier, I wish he did start conservative just because it was such a layoff and there's probably some nerves and he's older and he's been through a lot just to get his feet comfortable in there to start like that is a shock to the body right exactly would be safety for him yeah but that's not who he is i guess exactly yeah if he was so so so conservative

he was not big con or megregor right so i understand what you say but if you hold too much the fire you just uh hold his potential i get that now you think he comes back i hope so So I think so because he posts something about that. Yeah, I think he comes back or at least tries to come back. But five years away is a really long layoff. Just a good question. Yeah. Why he stood five years out of competition from EFC.

Yeah. He was here, right? In New York. In New York, yeah. He thought about that. Yeah. He said, EFC gave him one date in 26. Well, he was supposed to fight 2024 against Michael Chandler,

and then it took a long time after the injury to come back. I have a theory on that because of ESPN. They didn't want him to fight last year because it was the last year of the ESPN deal when they were negotiating their new TV contract, Paramount Plus becomes the home. You want to be able to tell Paramount Plus, we have a Connor McGregor fight coming in 2026.

It does you no good to give it to ESPN at the end of their deal. Do you know what I mean? Yes. And so I think once they realized they were leaving ESPN, and they wanted to give it to Paramount Plus or Netflix, went to Paramount Plus, and maybe there's going to be another one now.

He has one fight left too now. But that's why he was ready to go, and they kind of dragged their feet a little bit. Someone actually reached out to me about this, and I think it was really interesting. In any other sport, NBA, NFL, baseball, hockey, whatever, soccer, if you sign, let's say, a three-year deal, right? Four-year deal, NBA.

and you get injured a year in, the clock doesn't stop. Do you understand? It keeps going. In MMA... Extend. Extend. Extend. Extend.

You can never get out. So instead of it being six-fight deal, I think it should be three-year deal. And if you only fight once in that three years, well, then you only fought once. What comes first? Yes. Here, extend, extend.

So there's no rush. And for Connor, He had not fought in five years, and the Chandler fight was two years ago. And yet he has to come back and go through everything just to try to finish the contract to see what's on the other side of that and get maybe 100 million or 50 million or 75 million. All the power is on this side of the equation, is on this side of the fence. And that's not fair. And there's no other, like, major sport that's as successful as the UFC that the contracts are like that.

if LeBron James signs a contract today with Cleveland and gets hurt, the clock is still going. They don't get to hold onto his rights forever. Do you know what I mean? Dustin Porier signed an eight-fight deal. John Jones signed an eighth. They'll never get out of that contract now. I have Warren Thorny that he told me about that.

He said, we can dispute. You can't go to trial about this. Yeah. You know? But it's expensive a lot of energy. A lot of people. Randy Couture tried that a long time ago. Francis eventually got to the end,

but then had to sit out a whole year because they had a negotiation exclusive period, and he was champion. So it just, now Connor's going to have to wait another year to come back if he has surgery. Yeah, but do it injury, right? Yeah.

But I'm saying if a basketball player gets injured, the clock still keeps going, and now you can say, all right, it didn't work out, I'm going to be free, and maybe I come back, or maybe I go somewhere else. But now he doesn't have that option. Exactly.

No, you totally right. And then they put in the contract April 2027, before the injury, right? They have to give him a fight by April 2027, which I thought was interesting. I never heard them do that before. But why this is like for one year? Yeah. I mean, it's a really fascinating business. And the fighters have very little.

And I'm not trying to campaign here. But I always am looking out for the fighters first. And I just, from the outside. No, you did a great. You did a great for a heart fighter. Thank you. But I just feel like it's not equal. The power isn't equal.

Not even close. Do you think we'll ever see like an association? Just so you guys have a collective voice. Do you think we'll ever see that? We should look for ourselves more than we're doing. They don't, yeah. Everyone's very selfish, right? Everybody is, and people is afraid to speak.

Yeah. Are you afraid? No. No, I don't think so. I'm not. No. Why? Like, I'm grateful, but I'm not independent of the company.

And but because I know my value, some people maybe they are not so confident. That's why they, oh, I need to be quiet. What do you think of all this Eddie Hearn stuff? Tom Aspinall. Oh, yeah. I saw the Ed Hearn interview over here with you. That was amazing. I think people should watch if they didn't yet.

And the heart is a great people. And thank you putting connection with him. Do you think what he's saying is right? I think he's so based. I think he's so based. Oh, based. Based. Yeah, wow, you've got a great vocabulary.

Yeah, I'm trying. The Twitter, ex-friends on Twitter, they help me. They tell you, yeah. Yeah. So I think he's very basic. Based. Based. Yeah, yeah.

Like he's telling the truth. or he keeps it real he has he has uh background about that he has a big huge background he come from the business right yeah and he's he's smart as well and he looked for the best for for his client so some fighters for the fighters who right he he fight for so yeah i'm agree with everything he say here and you two i think we are so under paid under treatment. Like, we deserve to be more, I don't have the words right now, but.

I understand. Some people like Michael Bispeng will say, oh, Tom Aspinall is being used as a pawn in the war between Eddie Hearn and Dana White. Do you think his intentions are pure? Do you think Eddie really wants to get into this world and help the fighters, or do you think he's just trying to disrupt the UFC?

Oh. Well, what I seem is he's fighting for his fighter, Aspinall, writes. He told me how much aspirin is getting. It's unbelievable. Oh, you spoke to Eddie? Yes. Okay. We have a good talk.

Actually, he talked more with Tamaya. Okay. But I jump in the conversation. Yeah, we're going to meet personally in California in a couple of days. Wow. Okay. Maybe something or? Maybe, maybe.

Okay. Yes, yes, yes. I love. He too, he said good things about me. We have a mutual interest. Okay. So, yeah, I think he's fine very well for aspirin all rights and stuff.

Man, the guy almost got blind. I say blind, yeah. Blind, yeah. And for the money he's getting, it's crazy. It's just crazy. It's just crazy. we just fires and we don't know about

it's unbalanced power so we need people to help us and areas doing great so when you meet are you going to see if there's a fit is that the the goal of the meeting or is it just to get to know each other we're going to talk about everything okay okay you need you need me to come or are you good

oh yes please i come to imagine imagine imagine you call up the ufc my new manager Aria Howan. Yeah. They'd like that, huh? They'd love that. I think this is going to be great. What do you think of Patty?

Patty did great. You know, yeah, he did great. His skills on ground and jihits and grappling is amazing. Why did Benoit shoot like that? Why did he go for a takedown? I don't know. Mistake. Some mistakes.

I mean, I think, I think, He should do a cage fight, a cage wrestling against Perry. I think that was his intention. But Perry is so sharp. There is a neck. He saw that. He grabbed. And Benoit underestimated.

And once... So strong. He's so strong. Once he grabbed, he makes, you know, the hand to hand. And then it starts to be worse and worse for Ben. Benoit. Perry has one of the best grappling in the entire host.

And Benoit did a mistake and underestimate the ability. I think Patty is one of the biggest stars in the UFC now. Yeah. The entrance, the energy. Everyone loves them, the dancing. Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think so too.

I think. And it feels like people finally are starting to believe that he is for real. Before they were like, this guy, maybe he's just a character. Now they're getting, you know, they're getting on board. They're giving him respect. You feel that way? I feel that way too.

Yeah. I know exactly what he's saying. I feel the same. And what about your guy, Robert Whitaker at 205? What did you think? Did you see that one? I saw. Yeah, what do you think? I think it was a, yeah, he won. He knocked him out? He knocked him out, yeah.

At one moment, like it looked like he broke his jaw, but then Dana said, afterwards it wasn't a broken job but he you know he knocked out kill off because he like he had a delay but you weren't impressed or were you i think he performed better at the 185 okay you think he should go back down i don't know if he should go back down or maybe the next uh presentation he can show barrier because in the very first it's difficult i know that yeah you you take some time to acclimate you know to to body understand the new weight so So, but of course, there was not his best performance ever.

Okay. Do you think he can have success at 205 or do you think he's too small? It's hard to say. Yeah. I think he can and he cannot. That's right down the middle. It's depend on him. Are you interested in a rematch with him?

But this time at 205? Not right now. No? We can fight at some point. I would love to fight. No problem. Not probably to fight. Rob, Robert.

But not right now. I'm looking for the big names. I look for interim belt or something. Okay. Were you surprised to hear that Izzy left his team? Not surprised. When you come from five losses, you need to change, I think. Or, yeah, I mean, I don't know how he handled with this,

how his team works with him. But I think I think you need to do. change something or bring different people or learn different things yeah he should do something different is that one it still bothers you about about him yeah yeah i don't like him i don't care yeah it's just okay you don't like talking about him you don't like talking about no we can we can no no i'm just i was wondering of all the opponents is that the one that sticks with you the most okay you you like to um what i like to You like to talk about different perspectives of fight.

Yes, yes. And fighters. Yes, yes. Not only fight and stuff. The emotional and the mental, you know. I know you. The scars. I know you.

Yes. Is that the, no, no, no. I like to know what happens in here in the heart. Okay. I'm okay. I'm okay. Okay. I had a beef.

I had a bad feelings in the past, but I'm okay. You moved on now. Yeah, move on. Okay. You have other things on your mind. Pass in the past. Yes. That's, yeah, it's very mature.

Yeah. I mean, you cannot do nothing with the past. Is there any chance that your next fight is at... It's very ready to go. Of course. Is there any chance that your next fight is at 185 and not 205? It's possible. It's possible.

But, yeah. I mean, I don't know, man. It's so weird right now. There's so much up in the air. So, so much opitions right now, you know. If it was up to you, would it be 205? No. Oh, no.

85. 205. 205. Light heavy weight. Light heavy weight. If it was up to you? Up to me. Not 25.

Okay, okay, okay. Because I'm so close to fight for the balance. Do you think you're that close? Oh, yes. Just because you're the only one? Yeah, you have the ranking. We can get it. We'll get it, yeah.

If you put the ranking over there, you're going to see, maybe in the top 10 guys, I'm, nobody, come from victory and nobody he'll have one I mean what do you like better the media rankings

or the meta rankings they're two rankings now you know that bro I don't know I don't know about that let's go to the media you know what more fun let's go to the meta

ranking okay you know meta okay you know it's Mark Zuckerberg yeah okay okay here's the meta rankings okay Ulberg

yeah champion Ancolyev one Yuri 2 Pereira 3 How is Pereira still in the rankings? He went up. What is going there? Okay.

Jan Bochovich? Yan Blakov? Yeah, four. Khalil Roundtree five? Jamal Hill. Six. Have you seen Jamal?

He's big, right? He's big, man. He's going up to heavyweight now. Oh, my God. Okay, okay. Azamat? Azamai is in front of me? Paul Costa.

Okay, you and Azamad are tied, but he's... I think... That's a couple of Bell is doing that ranking. That's crazy. Now, okay, these are the media rankings now. Let's look at the media rankings. No. Oh, those were the media rankings.

Okay, now I'm at the meta. Okay, so this crazy thing was the media. Who is those guys? They're not... Hunter and then am I. I don't think they're... they're real people. I don't know any of them. And I'm in the media. Okay, let's look at the, let's look at the meta. Okay. I think this is better. Meta's better. Okay. Carlos Saldberg,

Alex Pereira, still makes no sense. Alex Perea. Magomed. Yeah. Yerri. Palo. You're four. Jamal Hill, Roundtree, Dominic, Volkan. Okay. Merzikhanov is nine. Oh, he's not in front of me anymore. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But now it's very confusing. There's two. But this is okay. So if this is to be believed here, you're four, then you should be fighting Yeri next. Yes, that's why I'm saying. I should fight Riri Perhaska next. You want that fight. He wants it?

I am okay to do that fight. How do you know he wants it? He did an interview. Okay, he said, okay. Yeah, he said, I want to fight. Did you see when he walked into the bushes? Yeah. What's up with that?

This is too much. craziness. And, but what I would say is I have seen UFC using their rankings to using this on their favor to negotiate.

Like, you know, 7, for example. And you want negotiated a new contract for you. But I say, look, Ariel, the number five get this amount of money. Yeah. So why are

going to pay you more than the number five? They say this. I haven't seen. And now there's two sets of rankings. So you can pick and choose which one you want. So when you talk to them, they're going to mention that you're seven in the media rankings. And then you're going to mention your four in the meta rankings and it's going to be a whole confusion.

Yeah. It's a mess. Yeah. So I don't give a fuck for the rankings. But look that. Choose one. Whatever we want. Division?

The ranks. Or fighter. No. Oh, we'll do. Yeah, Mary. Okay. Tell me again, the names are going to say. Herrera? It's not there anymore, but come from lots. Yeah. Ankaliev.

Come from lots. Yeah, and fighting into, Yuri. Come from loss. Costa. Win. Come from victory. Jamal. Rock out.

Yeah, Jamal. Los. Roundtree. Move up. Loss. Reyes. Victory. Ozdemier.

I don't know. I think he's, I think, what? Merzikanov lost Guskov So if they're going to strip Carvos Uber because I'm just saying if Uber are going to be so long

of in nativity who are they going to put to fight for entering belt right now? You versus Yeri but I wonder if they don't want to give Yiri again they give Cyril Ghan like four or five title shots.

Yeah. If it would have been full camp you versus Magomad would you have taken it? Yes. Why didn't they offer you Magomed in Abu Dhabi instead of Roundtree? I don't know.

You don't know? That never came up. I mean, Abu Dhabi. Yeah, before they booked Roundtree. Yeah. Tiki told me about something, but they say for October. And October was so long, I said, I don't need October to fight Magoamad. We can, but that was in May, so two months ago.

Yeah. So I say, why October in Abu Dhabi, let's do this in July, fight. five week Las Vegas. Yeah. But then after that he came, oh, I did a mistake the fight was in Abu Dhabi.

So whatever. I just lost the moment. Ah, that's frustrating. Yeah, it's okay. That's why they extend. They extend, huh? Yeah. Crazy.

But, I mean, at the end of day, at maximum they can do, is X XN for six months. Right, right, right. What about this weekend? DDP versus Usman in your former weight class. Who do you like?

You know Drickus? Yeah. Drick's a big guy, man. At least Camaro will have a full camp, right? Yeah. Move up. Yeah. Interest fight.

Interest fight. I mean, both big names, both of them. I'm interesting to watch that. I don't know who's going to win. You don't make picks? You don't like the picks? I would say Dracus 64. Are you still doing the Shabbat?

Yes, sir. People still ask me about this all the time. Yes. You send me a video. Yes. I have to admit, I thought you were joking. No, I'm not. I know.

I couldn't believe it. No, yeah. I'm real doing Shabbah and stuff from Torah. I follow it's unbelievable. You sent me a video, you were singing the songs. Yeah. Shalom al-haheim. How?

I don't get it. Yeah, for sure. But you're not Jewish. I'm following the tradition and the religion But sometimes you write things And I'm like, I don't know What's about Jesus No no

Not about Jesus About everything going on in the world I mean, no I'm not I'm not anti-Semitic Of course not I hope not yeah I'm 100% not

I think The people are so crazy right now They took so radical Because they saw something There is good people, they are good and bad people everywhere. Sure. Stop this thing, you know.

This is not cool. Like, you know, the Christianism, our civilization come from the Judaism. So stop there. Why can't we just all be friends? Why fighting? Exactly.

Neighbors. I think there is some, there's, there is come from, conspiracy theory i think i think there is some power above us try to put out to fight each other every i think so i think so a power yeah like what kind of power like the devil or like a kind of devil a higher being i i think i think different kind of beings not not not only humans wow i think they are putting people to fight each other to be weakness and to not be to have a colligation I don't know how you say that.

Like a congregation, like a love, they're trying to divide. Yes, exactly. Yeah. There is easy to then to have a power, you know? Yeah. I think then, I think if you are more unit, you're going to take over and change a lot different mistakes that we can see, but we cannot do nothing

because we're not together and we have not power enough. The world is a crazy place. sometimes you know you sometimes you'll tweet funny things crazy things have you ever regretted something um different things yes many like what uh you don't want to open the can but there have been times yeah okay and what what what propels you to do this like what why do you do it like you just in the moment you're having fun yeah sometimes yeah i having fun and sometimes like i think strickland do the same and and josh you know yeah strickland is interesting how he tweets because he'll say say something strong about like Dustin

Porreier and then he'll get blowback and then he'll come back the next day and be like oh yeah I'm sorry yeah as fighter I can say we are very impulsive and yeah and just we don't think enough to do and to say things so that

where most of the mistakes come from you're so impulsive because as a fighter you need to you don't have too much time to think you need to react Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why the fight is so impulsive. So it's reflect the same when we speech, when we tweet something.

Yeah. Go to social media. If you don't stop to think three times, you're going to say some shit. Does Tamara ever tell you, hey, come on. Sometimes he stopped to say that. He stopped. Because sometimes when she say, oh, this is terrible. This is going viral and become funny.

Yeah. And sometimes when she say, oh, this is cool and this becomes horrible. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you don't know, yeah. Yeah, she had memes for me. Any, any update? We're going to, I told Eric. Oh.

Yeah, we moved to Vegas to stay. Oh, you're going to live here now? Going to live here. Really? Yeah, we look for a house. Wow. Then now, now we want the way. The path?

To the path. Wow, wow, wow. Why here? I like to see. I like to play. I like to gamble. Okay. Be close to the UFC?

Close to the UFC. But what if you become a free agent? Yeah, it's okay. No problem. Many, many others. Okay. And when you go to the PI now, do you feel welcome?

Oh, yeah, it's because it's so there, so much of a year. Yeah, yeah. So you're going to live here in Vegas. I like it. You don't mind the heat? The heat is terrible. I mean, during the, June, July, August, it's better to stay out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And come back after. Okay. And why did you decide? Like, what was the reason? Yeah. I have a couple of friends in California. It's close to go there and then back in four.

Many fights over here. Yeah. It's easy to find out. Good training. Training. Will you train with a specific gym here? I look for open my own. Oh, your own?

Wow. Bohashina gym? Kind of. I don't know the name yet. Captain Eric? Eric, I so defuse in every stop on place,

but I have a couple of other coach that are able to come. Okay. Good fight, good coach, good coach. I'm going to put my coach to... Your brother? My brother. He's going to come?

Probably, probably, yeah. Your brother kind of stays in the shadows. We don't hear from him much. Yes, yes, yes. He's a kind of low-k guy. Yeah. It's okay. And he doesn't speak English as well either.

My English is not the best, but... You've come a long way. It was a time you couldn't say anything. I think a lot of fighters need to learn from you. You become more popular when you can connect with the audience. Necessary. Yeah. Of course, the words speak English.

And you cannot stay just Portuguese. We're going to interact with Brazil, Portugal, and Aguola. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. So... Did you watch the World Cup? Have you been watching? I watch just the pen notes.

Okay. Let me see. Brazil didn't. I don't care. You don't care about that. I don't care about. Fuchibol. Football.

That's how I say it. You say football? I say football. Oh, okay. I say, good day. Parabence. Oh, thank you. I sound like it a little bit.

Azae. No, you pronounce you. I have, yeah. Graza jios. Grazas adjus. Grazas adjia. I love when the Brazilian or Portuguese fighters say, Conceita.

Conceita. You asked the question? They say, Conceza, you know? It means like, of course, right? Yes. Yes. They always say that the fighters.

I don't know why. Con Centezre? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, for sure. Affirmative. Yeah. Yeah. Like that.

You know, we're doing, we're going to auction this. Really? For Yowana's charity, Yawani and Jacek, she works with a charity called Cancer Fighters, and they help kids who are battling cancer. Amazing.

So do you mind signing? Of course. All the guests. And you're our last one. I was very sad. I woke up Friday morning. Yeah, me too, man. What happened?

Stomach? Yes, I had some nauseas. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe something that I eat. Maybe the heat. Maybe the heat. You have to be careful. Dehydration.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I never stopped to train, so I was pushing so hard. I was swearing a lot. I think I didn't drink. enough secret juice or wire.

Yes. Okay, where you want? Maybe we do it here because it's a lot of people over there. So maybe we do it here. The great Palo Costa is here.

It was such a pleasure to have you. I was worried that we would leave Las Vegas anywhere you want, anywhere you want. I was worried that we would leave Las Vegas and not see you. Is Mayhem Miller still back there? Did you see him?

Mayhem. No, it's good. Oh, yes, okay. You didn't see it. You know Maham Miller? You never heard of him. Jason Mayhem Miller? Oh, okay.

You like the Trump merch? Trump? Yeah. You didn't buy it? No. Okay. What's that? Donald Trump.

Is it? Yeah, yeah. Do you buy it? No, I did it. Oh. This one. Oh, yeah. My one.

Yes. I know that. I know that. This is amazing. I love this. I have a cup of that. I go around people. People recognize.

This is from your website? Yeah. All cost merch. And people could buy, uh... People, people can order this by the site, website for sure. Yeah. And we can send. Very good, I have to say.

I'm not just saying it. Thank you. I wouldn't say it. I would just be like, eh, you know? We have a... 200 milligrams of caffeine. Wow. I feel it.

What does, what does, what does, um, cognition, Alexa mean? What does that mean? Where? Where? I like your glasses, by the way. Thank you, sir. Very cool. Under Secret Juice, it says cognition, Alexa.

I'll say yes, because it's a composed of multiple cognition. Elyxer. Elexer. Elexer. That's what they tell me. It's a multiple cognition ignite. Okay. You know, not only caffeine.

You have a carnetine. I have alpha-GPC, what is very good for. The brain. Brain. Elidopamine as well. Oh, I love it. Back in the day, people used to say that you were on the juice, but in reality, it was just this. I mean, this is one version.

Okay. We're doing a couple multiple different drinks. Oh. Okay. Yeah, this is going to be big, brother. I know. And this is just a collaboration with Dio for energy drink. Okay.

But the secret juice that I use to handle with me, a big, boil is more about healthy drink. Okay. You can drink at night every time. Anytime, yeah. And this is coming the next month. Oh, next month. Okay.

My kids still ask me about you. Really? I think you are their favorite fighter from one. Thank you. They still say, oh, when do you fighting? And when you fought, we watched it together in April. And they were rooting for you. Amazing.

They feel like you're their guy. Say hello for them. I love kids. I have a very good connection with kids. Yeah. You have a very gentle sort of demeanor. I love kids. Maybe one day? Oh, yes. I want to have at least three, four.

Okay, okay. All right. Well, first. You two. Yeah. The house. Yeah, yeah, exactly. On the road. On the road. Yeah. It takes a lot of courage to speak up like you are speaking up. I know you think maybe it's not a big deal, but it is a big deal.

You fight for a living, so you have a lot of courage. But I think it takes a lot of courage. So much respect to you for speaking up and telling your side of the story. And I hope it goes well. I hope it works out for you. You deserve to get paid. You deserve to be treated well.

You deserve respect. You have done a lot in this sport. And you're a very popular guy. The fans want to see you compete. I think they want to see you compete more often. You know? Exactly. That's why I moved to right, have eight guys.

I was fighting to 1, 1985, everybody knows that. And you know what? I would tell you just reveal to you. Nobody knows then. I was look for a fight for a big name I just beat

a couple of in July as well yeah and November November I was offered to fight um

Henry the Reader okay RDR yeah gave me five weeks for five rounds as well but I need time to get in the

shape and make weight so I say guys I will not make weight five weeks and what's heavy like almost like right now 234 so it's not possible to make

185 in four weeks so I'll say and then they okay so you need too much time blah blah blah blah blah blah then in December they offered me to fight Bruno Ferreira oh an unrecked guy

I feel very disrespected I say you know what nobody's available that's why they say nobody is available to you to fight 135 right now nobody is available unless this guy.

So, not against Bruno, but bro, come on. I'm looking for big names. And when he said, I say, you know what? He leaves me from the country. They say, no, no, let's see. But no, no, we're going to keep you, get this fight. So then I came out with the idea and Tamar as well. And I was with my coach, say, what if I fight for light, have weight?

We take a look. I look for some names. from the top for the boyo and uh i asked for young blackovit he had a match against a bogodan so he said no he's not available they say and this guy azama he said really you want to fight this beast this guy's on the feet and stuff he's a lot of knock at power he said yeah you can't fight him so they say okay let's let me check mick manager say let me check and he come back okay paul he's okay to to fight you, we're going to fight in July. So I just move up to be more frequently, to not, because I don't need anymore 14, 15 weeks

to make weight. I can make weight quickly, seven, maybe eight weeks. And that's why I want to be frequently, you know? So you're saying about, sorry, I just lost my. You lost your train? No, no, this is good. You're giving us context as to where. That's why I said July for Azamad, but it was April.

So I'm fine. You're saying about that to be courage. Courage. Yeah. I'm fighting for the best of, for my best, for best of my family. And I think every fight should do that. Of course. Because the career is quickly and tomorrow you're going to stop the fight. So take advantage of this time.

And I'm trying. And yes, I'm just doing, I'm being honest. I'm being totally honest. And we love you for that. Thank you, Paolo. Thank you, so much for coming. Appreciate you. And thank you for the gifts as well.

Thank you, Paolo. Thank you so much. Say hello for the kids. I will, for sure. Thank you so much for coming. Good luck. Thank you. In your search for your new home here, I wish you and tomorrow the best.

And if you need me to come in for negotiation, let me know. Okay, perfect. There he is, everyone. Paulo Costa. What a guy, the legend. Amazing chat, honest chat, authentic, transparent. How could you not love? Paulo Costa.

That was great. What a freaking stretch. Oh, Peter's back. How are you? Hello, Pete. Take us home, Pete. What? Where do you want me?

I don't know. Are they coming back to you? There? Okay. Is this okay? Well, yeah, sit right here. I was listening to Andy. How's it back there?

The boyb is impeccable. Is it? Pete, he wouldn't know. He was sitting out of the sports book. Some people are saying you've been hanging out in the sports book. Well, yeah. I mean, we all have to get our last fix Vegas in. Yeah, yeah. Are there any sports actually going on right now? That's the problem.

Yeah, there's nothing. Or is it like low level like horse racing? Are you getting in on that? Getting in on anything I can before I go home, you know what I mean? By the way, the last of the crew, I think it's going to be me, you and Connor. Yeah. Everyone's leaving tonight. I can't do that. A load of packing. It's, it's, uh, I did the last day in Vegas is always like, it hits you. Yeah. Well, I'm on, I'm on Vegas time now, which is crazy. It took a while. It takes like four days. Shout it to Nuro. Neuro gone, man.

Yeah. That was a complete game changer for me. The melatonin. Mm. I've never had a bad experience. They're not paying us to say this. They're not a sponsor. They're just friends of ours.

You take one of those. You're out in 30 minutes. I couldn't believe it. Oh, wow. What do we got here? Look at this t-shirt. That's a nice shirt right there. Oh, my God.

Oh, Rick's here too. I guess I guess someone's coming here. What's this t-shirt you got here? Oh, this is a banger that we got at Culture Kings yesterday. It's a nice one. I told, yes, you know, I forgot about it. I was so locked in on Palo's beautiful face. I forgot about the tea you got me.

Did you get me this tea? Yeah, did, yeah. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. No problem. Put on a few bets on the horses on the way. The shirt I was wearing earlier was a little bit. It was actually dirty.

I'd already worn it. I'd run out a shirt, so we had to go to Culture Kings to get a new one. And that was for Frankie, right? That's Frank's favorite character in Star Wars, right? It's his favorite character. No, stop. Stop. Stop.

I actually got this four rig. No, absolutely. This thing's sick or what? Ja-Ji-Jat Beings is the mine. Legend. The absolute, oh my God. You could have worn it. That's the coolest thing I've ever seen.

It's the greatest thing you've ever seen right there. I have to admit, the fit looks nice. Yeah. I hate the character. Misa Pizza Carle. Also, you're sleeping on the best part here. Nisa hated. Yeah.

Look at the back of that room. What's it say? What's the thing? Just a big doo-doo. Oh, wow. What the fuck the guy? This is so cool, man. It almost ruins the shirt.

It goes so hard. Are you getting me? It ruins the shirt. How do you just keep doing it, man? Oh, that ruins the shoes. That's a giant. Usa doodoo. Come on.

I don't mind that. You some big doo-doo? This shit goes hard, bro. Don't forget my number one pickup line. Is that? Tell me it again. Misa Connor Birx. Missa Conner-Bergs.

That's not the only gifts I got. Misa Connor Burks. It's an absolute bar. Before we get to the gift. Okay, okay, okay, yeah. We'll get there. Let's end with the gifts, actually. I was in the midst.

of doing a quick R-A-F recap in Georgia and then Paolo Costa just kind of mozied on in. Marab beat Suhudo in an unbelievable match. He was down 8-0. Yeah. Oh, I think he's telling you to put the mic down to Connor. He's not happy about this. We have some, he being frank.

Look at this. Some highlights here. So Sohudo is just absolutely dominating Marab. Yep. Of course, Olympic gold medalist 2008. That's pretty good. Beijing. Look at this. I will be honest.

I don't fully understand how you score points. I'm not a freestyle wrestling expert, but things are happening here, right? And it eventually gets to 8-0. 8-0. Yes. It's impressive, to be honest. 8-0, they say.

8-0? Do they say no in wrestling? No, they know. I say it. Zip? What? This dude has an incredible mustache. All right, now we're 8-0.

This is the end of the first, I think. it is. How long is this highlight package, by the way? Okay, now here's here's, it isn't long? I thought we were doing like a quick recap. Awesome. And here comes Maraup. He takes us home.

Oh, he's in a single leg. Seudo defends. He looks for a trip. He fails. He's still on the trip. He's in a single leg. Oh, that's going to be a foul ref. This is kind of impressive that he did that little hand stamping.

On the body lock down to the ground. Yeah? I don't know what's happening about it. I'm not going to let you. All right. So Marob came back and won. Yeah, Marab came back in one. Yeah, that's all we need to see of that.

Congrats Marab, man. Very nice. Great moment, great win. Also, Armin competed, and look what happened. Look what happened after. Oh, wait, no, not this. This is the fight. We have Armand stage dive, right?

Yeah, it's coming. Just a little. Hitch in the Gidea. Working through the kinks. Here he goes. Oh, that was a fantastic stage life. I thought it was one of the time. Where to play.

One of all time? Mount Rushmore of stage dives? That's actually going to be our pound for pound on boys in the back on Thursday. In honor of Armin Saruk in, pound for bound stage dives. Locked in. Jordan, if you can check your text, please. The group chat, I just threw something in there because I do have some breaking news regarding RIF guys. Whoa!

I could talk about it a little bit, and then we could show the picture. They are introducing a new. championship. It is coming to RAF. It's the RAF crossover championship. It's created exclusively for crossover wrestlers from across the world of combat sports. The first chapter in this lineage begins in Milwaukee this Saturday, July 18th. This is the event that features Ben Ascgren versus Bilal Muhammad, as you guys know.

Armin Surukian versus Colby Covington. It's the inaugural cruiserweight crossover championship match. the first of its kind this Saturday on Fox Nation exclusively. That's July 18th at 8 p.m. How about that guy? So either Kobe or Armin is going to be their first champion. Yeah. Wow.

I mean, they keep the hits coming. It's unbelievable. There it is. Have they ever had a card that Aramon wasn't on? It's, I mean, he brings in the numbers. He does. The man brings in the numbers. So there you have it.

Do we have any super chats, Frankie? You want me to read these? Please. All right, here we go. I'm sure there's a lot. Okay, this is from the end. Waste something. It's cut off because it's so long.

An optimistic take about the, wait, am I starting at the top here? Yeah. An optimistic take about the injury event, the person, Connor McGregor, if he doesn't free fall again, it's his chance to show that he's changed. This is the perfect opportunity to show God changed us. them. Okay, so there you go. An optimistic take. Here's another one, Colmarie, who says, can you explain why Derek Miner threw kicks with his injured leg? I had deja vu watching Connor

do the same. I cannot. Also, he's speculating that Conner's leg was injured. Yeah. Here's Andrew Reed, who says Luke Thomas brought up how Kimbo Slice was the biggest drawn in Beltoe history years after Elite Xe and tough days. Millions of fans watch the Kimbo fight. Will the same be about, will the same be about the same for Connor? I mean, I'm talking about the Dada 3,000 fight that was one of the worst fights of all time. Sure, also, Connor is already the biggest draw in. Yeah, I think he's just saying that it didn't diminish, right?

His star power, yeah. Here's the robot, robot Wren. How is Dustin not in the mix? Dude wants to fight. I mean, does he really want a fight? I don't know. In the mix for what? Connor?

Yeah, I mean, also in there, done that. Yeah, it's 2-1. He's obviously on a long road back ahead, so I mean. He's 2-1, he's got other things to worry about, and... It doesn't. helped the UFC for Dustin to beat Connor again. We had a retirement party in New Orleans last year. Mosayed, I still can't stop thinking about what John Wood said about that.

Like once you say the R word, it brings this pressure on the fighter's shoulders. Once you have an entire event circled around you and you make your return to New Orleans for the first time in excellent reviews. Yeah. And then you now you're thinking like, how can I come back? Dana references the White House card at every turn, including the Post-Five Press Conference, over under set at five straight post-fight press conferences, open up to the panel, are you taking the over or under? I don't know. And guess what? He should mention it because it was

an incredible feat and it was a massive success. Here's Jacob who says, list of marketable fighters who have recently lost some level of mystique or momentum. Wouldn't say Paramount has loved some of these. Aspinall, John Jones, Pantosha, Yeri, Teporia, Shavka, Chavka, Tama, Mara, Marra, Margarra, thanks again for the autographs boys, Jacob. Shout to Jacob sitting in $100 there. Oh, wow. Jacob's outside all day. Oh, that was Jacob. Oh, shout to Jacob. I don't know. At them all.

Okay. There's truth to that, certainly. But then you get like a Josh Hokit, you get a Patty Pimblit. You get some of these guys on the rise. What we have learned over the years is the UFC is kind of star proof, right? At the very beginning of the year, we kind of had, in the end of last year, we had a lot of conversations about, does the UFC have a star problem? And where I ultimately arrived is like the brand is way too strong.

And you will get people like a Josh Hokeet and a Patty Pimble who has a spectacular performance on Saturday night who just fill that void, who just come in and despite the fact that Connor McGregor might be on the way out the door, you have somebody who could kind of fill that space and become the next thing. There's an Ilya tipporia for every bulk that falls, right? Like it just becomes that. And so the business will keep on rolling and the UFC will keep on rolling. Absolutely. We love, we love to say, there's no stars, there's no this. The biggest star in the UFC is the UFC. The biggest star in the UFC are those three letters. Yep. And then the next biggest star is Dana White. They're doing just fine. Here's electric boots who says,

pour one out for the late great Sam Neal. Yes. Shout out to Sam Neal. I don't know if it's applause, but... Picky blinders. I guess it wouldn't be a little bit. Yeah. A little bit odd. And I'm spacey right now. I'm sorry. Jake from Windy City says, Wonderwall is the best anthem for England, Oasis Rules. Yeah. It's a great song written by an Irish man. That's fantastic. Today is going to be the day. that we're gonna throw it back to you. We have a little bit of an angel, devil. There's something going on here.

There's something happening. There's like a thing here. World Cup final prediction. France beats England 2-1. That's a great show. France Argentina for me. That would be Euro-final. Were they World Cup final?

No, yeah. Two Eurofinals. Remember what happened at the Eurofinals when they just are terrible fans? So they ripped their own stadium apart? That was cool. I'm just saying that would be three. out of the last four major finals that they would lose. It's really cool the way they did that.

I'm going with England, England, yeah. England, France, 3-1 for the good guys. Yeah, when you see the voice messages coming through when they go out? Yeah, you've been dying. Every time they go down in every one of these games, you're like, it's over.

It's disrepute. Yeah, you're like, pack it up. Get the fuck on. Then they come back, led by Jude Bellingham. Led by the referees usually. The one when we were live on air and he was hate watching on air was incredible. No, no, no.

Don't you dare say hate watch. I already said that to him. I don't hate watch. I just love the sport. Oh, I just love the sport. I'm trying to stick up for the sport. I'm sorry you're being a fan of sport and wanting a level playing field.

Remember yesterday when he said I'm the most, what do he say? I'm the most toxic sports fan there is. Remember that? He's just kind of a toxic guy in general. That was a direct quote. Toxic, he said. The game is in disrespect.

He said you partake in hooliganism? Hooliganism, you said. He's basically a verbal hooligan. Ezra, Ezra, Ezra, Ezra, says Sterling Sharp was on nightcap oh with his bro yesterday he was an NFL player who retired after Nick End yes of course Green Bay Packers

Yes don't know one of the greatest actually I would say a wide receiver brother Tidenn could he give Connor some game What does that mean like to fight him? What's he talking about? Is he saying like maybe some advice? Oh advice on how to come back Yes I mean there's a million people who've come back from injuries

Here's Duncan I can't help but think Oh this is interesting I can't help but think that if Frank had attended yesterday's team bonding trip. Okay. And today's sound issues would not have occurred. Wow. That was here off in the room.

Wow. Unbelievable interview with Brian Suterer if it wasn't for Frank. I mean, in the end, we salvaged it. Thanks to you, Ariel. Thanks to Frank. Thanks to you. It was interesting. We went to help kitchen.

We had a nice meal, right? A great meal. I was going down the line. We had a tree. Wellies all around. Lobster risotto, sticky toffee pudding. Sticky Toffee was amazing. This is so.

Ward knows how to cook it up. Everyone was there. Not only was everyone there. We had the beautiful Rohan there and the son there. Her husband was there. Esther, Casey was there as well. Everyone who's in Vegas was there except for one person. Actually, two people.

Franken is better half. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. Life is good to me. And then we went to Summer League. Some of us went to Summer League. Then we met up. You know what?

We kind of dropped the ball. We've been talking for so long about all the things that we were to do in Vegas, Kame, Sphere, this, that. Edward 40-Ans was on the list. You posted photos. I feel like we should have had some photos. Oh, what we do? Oh, wow.

I should not have doubted. This was it. Man, I got some footage. Rick was a freaking beast with the, so explain to the people. Explain to the people what happens for those that don't know. Okay, so what you're supposed to do is you tape two 40-ounce bottles of beer or malt liquor to your hands and you cannot remove them until you finish them. You can't go to the bathroom or anything like that.

unless you have a daring, helpful friend who's willing to pull your pants down and pull them back up. Fortunately, Jordan did that for me. Shout out to Honor, Jordan. Unfortunately, we have to, we have to admit the, you talk about the game being in disresput all the time. Disrepute. Disrepute. What was that? Disrepute.

I'm sorry, what? The game is in disresput. Las Vegas, Nevada does not sell 40 ounces. We tried seven. 7-11, Green Valley Garden Organic or something. We tried three different gas stations. All of them, when you walk in, until the section where the 40 OZs are supposed to be,

32 ounces across the board. Miller High Life, McAlobe, Old English, all in 32 ounces. So unfortunately, we had to play Edward 32 hands, which is incredibly weak. But I think we made up for it on the back end, eh, Pete? Yeah, absolutely. Well, I would say...

I feel like great. I feel like a million. Well, I would say it's one of the greatest performances that I've ever seen when the lights shine the brightest, Mr. P.C. Carroll, who we've heard about his, you know, his prowess. Especially on a Sunday night. It seems like Sunday night. It's my night. You say what you want about the 32 ounces, which is, it's, I don't even have the word. It's shameful that we had to do the 32 ounces. I can admit that. Better 32 ounces than no ounces, though. You know what I mean? The whole point of it is camaraderie with friends and duct taping glass bottles to your hand. drinking ice cold beers. Beautiful.

Pete's he made up for the Edward 32-ounceers by killing both of them, 64 ounces of beer in 12 minutes flat. 12 minutes. We're three and a half minutes in, and he finished the first one. Incredible. 12 minutes for the 64 ounces. It's one of the most shocking things I've ever seen in my own two eyes. You took about, what was it, 34?

Not bad. 34 minutes. I mean, he pushed me a little bit. You know, a six-pack of beer, 34 minutes, I'll take it. And how did you feel afterwards? I felt great after. It was this morning where I felt like dog shit. What about you, Pete?

Better than ever. And then we went to get some pizza. And then, you know, everything went off the rails. The greasy piece. No. The night was great. You said pizza. Went off the rails.

Half a bear halwani over here. I was like, guys. I am drunk. Peace and love. Peace and love. But it was a great time. Pizzi says better than ever. We're backstage.

He's talking about how he almost crapped his pants when we're on. I was like, I thought I was going to shit myself out there. Electric Bootsable says, would you rather be caught in a Porier body cam situation wearing the Jar Jar Jar Jar or use a duty t-shirt or have bad breath for life. I mean, that's an easy. I mean, I mean,

Gior-Jar square and up. Instead of it's going to be bad, I'd just say, you're so big dude-in. Frankie, I do want to let you know that robot Wren has your back. He says, let Frank be boundaries must be set.

Absolutely not. Yeah, that's Frank's burner for sure. He left. Frank left. He was crying. There's no chance because you just played the great Dana White drop. And that may or may not have been Jordan pressing a button. Actually, Casey's back here stepping in.

Oh, I do have to say we left out the Summer League sweat. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. The Summer League was the highlight of the day. AJ DeBanza over 19 and a half points. He scored 17 in the first half. Two in the third quarter. We're sitting on 19 in the fourth.

They take him out with five minutes left. We're like, oh, he's going to sit for the rest of the game. We're fucked. Nope. About two and a half minutes left. He gets up. Oh, he's going. We're going nuts.

Everyone is asleep at the wheel. It's a 17-16. No one cares about this game, except for us, sweaty. And then... DeBanza gets the rock, mid-range floater right through the hoop.

No, no. Fadeaway jumper. It was beautiful. Whatever it was. I blacked out. That's how crazy it was. We went absolutely nuts, and everyone was just like,

what the fuck is wrong with these guys? You could have heard a pin drop except for you cheering. DeBanza pointed out of me. Yeah. He felt the love. He thought it was his friends of family. I got you, bro.

DeBance over 19 and a half. Yeah, betting on Summer League is... And then we walked over to Cox Pavilion, Cox. Put a little sprinkle on Spurs' bucks. Yeah? And completely shot the bed on it. No, no, no.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You see Cox this weekend. Oh, man. That's right. That's right. They messed up. Big no way for Cox. Guys, what a trip, huh?

What a trip, man. There's only one way to end it. With a gift for Mr. New York, Rick. Just for me. Yeah, just for you. Last year, well, I have one, something for pizza, too. Last year we got the spicy's chicken tender in all of Las Vegas. I'm not doing that.

This year. I can void my bells right now. Oh, the chip. Fuck. I'm not the chip challenge. I'm sorry. We've got the one chip challenge. The man has a flight this evening.

Tell us. Tell us. What is it? What is it? A lot of beer last night. How spicy is it? Have you ever had this? It's time to discover the black, deadly chip inside.

Unleash the madness and join the cult. Let me see it. Enrich the heat. Let your taste buds be blown away. I will never forget the wings that you brought out. Or what was it? A chicken tent? It was a similar.

It was a similar. So those were reaper. Those were reaper. I also got... This is a Carolina Reaper. Yep. Oh, and... You can bail, Rick.

Scorpion and peppers. If you're not about that life, you're not about that way. You do Edward. It's all good. So I will eat this when you eat it with me, yes? No, I'm not about that life. I'm happy to say that.

I'm a bitch. I'm scared. What's this? What's this? I'm not gonna... I'm a was... This is on top of the... Oh, fuck me.

The one-ch challenge. We also got the Black Death Ultrasour. Oh, Perfect. That's for Pete. Pete, you're tough. I'm a tough guy. What am I doing that if you do that? What is this? What do you guys have? I'm allergic to sour. Oh, yeah. What do you have? What do you have? I don't have my epipan on me. You're not about that life. Jesus. I didn't realize you weren't about that. Okay, Rick, let's go. The pressure's on. No, I'm not about that life. No one has to do anything. I had the secret juice. Rick, take a big picture here. Come up. Rick, what are you doing? Here we go. One, two, three. Smile at the camera. I think I've never seen Rick waiver. I've never seen you doubt yourself.

It's just the night we had last night following this. It's not necessarily that. It's actually more of like before we came. I have an actual photographer here too. I had some complications and then now. Oh my God. Let's see it. Let's see it.

It looks like desert sun. Is it just one chip? Okay, we need to clearing this off by the way because this is like. Is it just one chip? Maybe use the case as a plate. I can't take the whole chip. You don't think so. I can.

As I was saying before this, you ate a, Chicken tender with no water. Let me, let me. Before we came here, I wasn't perfect. And now I'm trying to get back on track. Trying to stay alive. Please do not. Oh, you're talking about a week ago.

Yes. Okay. You know what? He's right. What happened a week ago? You know, and he wasn't feeling well. He had the gout. But I will.

I'm not going to take the whole chip, but I will bite this. What is your shit? You don't remember this? What? Oh, geez. Oh, I know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about. Oh, yeah.

Come on. One picture. This is all you, G.C. Here we go. Here we go. Fuck. Music, too? Yeah, love it. But this is just a little.

Yeah. Do you want the secret juice? No. Wash it down. How is it? Tell us. The mouth swell is starting. Swell.

I like the music. The mouth swell is starting. There might be some hiccups coming. I'm starting to feel it like go down. Why does that happen, by the way? It's just like the muscles, like a reaction. Do you want secret juice? No, no.

It's actually- I want to experience it. Okay, okay, geez. God bless you. The burn is starting in the mouth, like intense, like really, really intense. Do you want to take your juice? No.

Okay. The water. Pickups. Oh, geez. And you just had like one quarter of it, right? If that. I'm not sure how big it. I'm not sure how big it.

Oh. Oh. Pickups are coming. Maybe. maybe like a third of it. The hiccups are here. The mouth heat is not as far as I thought. Oh, okay.

I thought you were going to say worse. But the hiccups are. Yeah, yeah. It's all, it goes all the way down and then you start to... Now I feel like it's... Now I feel like it subsiding a little bit. It's subsiding. Fuck, you're an animal.

Carolina Reaper, Scorpion. Someone check his pulse. There's a lot. Okay, it's starting to subside. The hiccups are going away. Oh, you're good. Okay, no problem Finish it off

Would you like a black Would you like a black dust sour candy For dessert? Just to wash it down The mouth heat is pretty persistent But it's not like It's not killing me No

No problem mate He's going in again I will say this I advise No no Actually I didn't need Nearly a third of it I had like

A tiny bit Who buys this Like who People like Yeah Yeah He wants it About it

wearing a Jarjar Bink shirt Very intense Wow I could feel it But not His face Like he's kind of sad Yeah look at his eyes Look at his eyes

Crazy Yeah golly Does anybody want to try like even a little Not even I don't even want to smell it I think it would just I just show it immediately Oh yeah

Let's take this bad boy home It doesn't feel like it's as late as it is But it's six o'clock on the East Coast So usually this Here we go Most important question To end the show To end our time here in Vegas

to take us home. We end on this note. I would love the answer to this question. What exactly did Frank do yesterday? Frank, what did you do? The allegations will never stick. What does that mean? He did something illegal.

He opened his microphone and I'm pretty sure I heard Mayhem Miller in the back. Watching him in case he sparred out. Does anybody in the back want to come in and try this show? Can we get a camera on the control room? I want to see someone try this. Sauer. Let me see this.

sour? Let's all take a, let's all take a one lick. No. Cacy says no. No. He's the only one that's not switching buttons right now. We are going home. Some of us tonight, some of us tomorrow. At one o'clock tomorrow, we will air my

interview with Joe Missoula. Let me tell you something. If you're unfamiliar with Joe Missoula or if you are, you are going to be blown away by how this man looks in the cage with Eric Nixick holding myths. He is a freak. And I say this as next fan, but I have the utmost respect for him and the conversation was great afterwards.

So you'll enjoy that, I hope. And then we'll be back Wednesday, regular show, O-TN. Will you be with us Wednesday? You won't be. You've had enough of us. Regular show, Scott DeMoran studio, Brandon Royville, some others as well. So stay tuned for that. And then we're back to our usual stuff.

It's been an amazing week. The people who ate the full chip are demonic. You're hurting. He's hurting. Yeah, Rick gave me off Freud. That's no problem. amazing. It's been an amazing week. Thank you very much to the Venetian. Thank you to the Yahoo Sportsbook. Thank you to everyone back in New York who helped us on the ground there. Thank you to

everyone here boots on the ground who helped us. Thank you to our new friends, Preston and Jordan. Thank you to the whole team at the Venetian sports book who are so accommodating. Shall we do this again next year? Let's just do it on Wednesday. What are we going to do next year for this? just going to like inject me with poison? Like what is my next? I just meant coming back here for a time. I've, I've really enjoyed this. Thank you to all the people who came on Friday.

To our show with DJ. DJ was amazing. Met some amazing people, some real heartfelt conversations, some that touched us. It was just an amazing thing. Thank you to Mama Rabbit for how cool they were to us. Thank you to Kame for how cool they were to us. Thank you to the sphere.

Thank you to the new. New York Knicks. Thank you to James Dolan for blessing all of us. And of course, thank you to every single guest who stopped by. Four, I think we had four every single day. So that would be four, four, four times four, 16 in studio guests. One Zoom guest, or phoneer. Yeah, phoneer. The whole crew here from Andy, Jordan, Frank, Esther, Casey,

Pizzi, G.C., Rick, the entire crew, everyone back home as well. It has been an unbelievable week in Las Vegas, but it is time to go. So back on Wednesday, same time. Let's say peace. Shout out Chuck. I'm at here. Shout out, Chuck.

Bye-bye.