The Ariel Helwani Show - Mark Kerr, David Feldman in studio, Does the UFC need Alex Pereira to win at UFC 320?

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Ariel Helwani and the Boys in the Back kick off the show by answering your On The Nose questions (05:20).MMA pioneer Mark Kerr joins to discuss the making of the original “The Smashing Machine” documentary, why he decided to open up about his struggles with addiction, receiving the call from Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson about wanting to lead the new film, where he is now in life, and more (34:28).BKFC founder Dave Feldman is back in-studio to preview the promotions debut in New Jersey, including Frankie Edgar’s status and the animosity between Mike Perry and Jeremy Stephens. Plus, Feldman reacts to recent comments from Darren Till and Luke Rockhold, talks about wanting to sign Jorge Masvidal, wanting to make Conor McGregor vs Nate Diaz, BKFC’s current valuation, and more (1:02:29).Ariel talks more about his upcoming BKFC plans, and answers more questions about McGregor’s White House demands, the appeal of Jon Jones vs. Alex Pereira, and more (1:45:01).

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Eria, Hawaii Show. Back in your life on this Wednesday, October 1st, 2000, and 25. Hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well. It is great to be here on a lovely Wednesday, in New York City as I was a kid growing up this particular day

would always be sort of like my most anxious day of the year never was a big fan of Yom Kippur never was a big fan of fasting for 25 hours but as I've gotten older and have talked to a lot of fighters who fast and how you know you hear how they deal with

intermittent fasting and and obviously the wake of I'm like you know what? Who am I to complain about these things? That all being said I'm very nervous because Frank as you know 25 hours of no water, no food, no nothing. Sometimes you brush your teeth a little bit, you hold it in there for an extra second, for an extra second.

Anyway, that all kicks off at about 618. But here we are. We do the show. We power through, and it's going to be a great day. Now, elephant in the room must be addressed at the top. Yesterday at approximately, I don't know what time it was, 7, 6.30, I did announce that Connor McGregor would be in studio today on the program. I hinted at this yesterday, if you recall, I said it could be a great day. And then I got

the official confirmation that he was coming in and he was going to talk about BKFC and everything else going on in his life. Unfortunately, some 30 minutes or so ago, I got the word that that is not happening, that he's not coming in, that he will not be on the show today. And this is obviously very disappointing for several reasons. A, I was looking forward to it. B, I was, I I hate. My biggest pet peeve is to announce that someone is on the show and get everyone excited, get everyone talking about it, and, you know, not deliver. I'd like to think by now 16 plus years doing the show, we deliver, you know, way more often than not. I'd like to think our batting average is quite high in this department. And doing it like this type of, hey, tomorrow,

this person's coming on, which always gives me pause when you're promoting a live interview. don't think we've ever not delivered in this particular case. And so I sincerely apologize. I was told that he will come on in the near future. There's obviously a lot to discuss with him. And yeah, I'm bummed. I'm disappointed. I know a lot of you are as well. And ultimately, you know, I hope that it's not a reflection on this show. He was in. I had the confirmation. We all talked about it. It was good. It was booked weeks in advance, but felt comfortable last night promoting it, and then this morning, late morning, early afternoon got word that it's not happening. And so that is a massive bummer. And I sincerely apologize, not our style, not something

that we take lightly, not something that we want to make a habit of. And hopefully you all understand where we are coming from, certainly not our doing. And hopefully he'll be on in the very near future. We're still going to have a great day. It gives us more time to answer your questions. It gives us more time with our guests. And, uh, you know, that's how you have to look at things. That's the positive spin. That's the chicken salad out of chicken S-H-I-T. I'm trying not to swear as much, by the way. I don't know if you've got noticed this. That's fucking bullshit. No, no, no, no. I'm actually literally trying not to swear as much. And then you come with a drop, you come with a drop of me swearing. Seems a little bit like you're trying to

dig me. Have you guys not noticed that I'm trying not to swear as much? Yeah, I've noticed. Yeah. Makes me a little bit more self-conscious about when I do swear. And then Frank hits me with the drop. What's up with that? I'm going to remove the drop. No, I just mean like,

what's up with that? He's going to remove the drop. But I mean, like, what is up with that? As we were lamenting the fact... I thought you were joking. As we were lamenting the fact that Connor wasn't coming on, as we get the news, Frank just starts unleashing a litany of

Connor McGregor drops just to make it worse for all those. Worker shoot. No, no. This is a shoot, brother. What I'm saying? I mean... You're shooting on Frank right now. Give us some more. Come on. You had them at the ready. Wow. I don't actually keep those at the ready. No, where are they going on?

Come on, go ahead. Just one, like, those fighting words. No, no, no, no. I want the Conner. Okay, well, now I'm going to grab them. What do you mean, grab them? You gave us the whole freaking library 20 minutes ago. I can't tell if you actually want to hear them or not. I'm saying, come on. Frank's eyes are just turning a well up a little.

Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on. You had them. Did you not have them back to back to back like 20 minutes ago? I really don't have them. Okay, there it is. There it is. All right. Anyway, today's program will feature, and hi, everyone.

David Feldman, the owner and founder of BKFC is going to be on. Mark Kerr is going to be on Smashing Machine. Benny Safdi was great yesterday. And, of course, we answer your questions. And so, without further. ado, time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week. It is time. It's time for all the knows. Thank you, Henry. You're a gent. Appreciate it.

Anything else you want to say, right? You covered it. You covered it. Anything else? Work your shoe. I can't tell anyone. Hello, Ariel Pizzi and BITB. This is a more fun question for all of you. Obviously, there are so many regional MMA promotions around the world some with some pretty interesting names

my question is if you were to start your own regional MMA promo this is from Darren Elkins fan by the way if you were to start your own MMA promotion regional MMA promotion what would you want to call it for the BITB Mailman Fight League doesn't count if you were to start

your own regional MMA promotion what would the name be can I answer on behalf of Frank wow here we go yeah I want to hear it. No, no, it's a good one. AFL. What is it?

Annoying Fight League. Wow. I got to be honest. I thought that was going to be more incisive. Like, I thought you were going to go real bad, but... No, I don't swear. You thought I was going to say Aho Fight League? Something, yeah, something along those lines.

I was like, damn, all right, here we go. Ptzee, muted. Why don't we start over, Frank? I thought you were going to call it... You know what? What were you started over, Frank? I thought you were going to call it, like... Pete, are you there?

Yeah, can you hear me? I like the jersey man you look good What's the crack? Yeah, thanks There GC would you have like the button here I would have Oh I actually haven't I haven't gotten my AAS Roma jersey yet

But I would like this one I'm gonna'clock I got one too I know you did And your kid has one as well Yeah no no It's just my Walter fella got one He's the he's the Oliver Walter

Come see come so One of the two I thought Walter got that one No way Yeah you're right You're right about that though Should have Yeah if Forst has the same thing

No button Actually, they do have a button. They do have a button. But you know what I like about that one? Wait, sit up a little bit. Is it the old Adidas logo? Yeah, the old Adidas logo is way nicer. All these Terrace classics that are doing, man, are so nice.

I don't like the new Adidas logo with the three, like, lines that are triangular like that. I'm with you. Have you not seen the forest classics that they released? Yeah, but it has the old logo. It has the old, sorry, has the new Adidas logo. That's true. No, no, they have an old one as well. Oh, I haven't seen it.

They have some terrace classics yet. Anyway, I'm not a forest fan. anymore. No, I'm kidding. Just joking. Relax. Everyone relax. Anyway, does that crack fight league? Hilwani Fight League. I don't know. This is... On crack. Yeah. That's what I call it.

G.C. and Rick, from Welcome Home. Have either of you seen these Pokemon vending machines in stores and the stir? It is crazy. I mean, here I am. And I say, guys, could we get some better questions? Question one about what are... No, no, this is good.

Pokemon vending machines? What the fuck! I don't curse I tell you to try it on the course We're not cussing as much man This is a Wendy's You know a guy out in the cafeteria Today had Wendy's

Frosty and everything I was like wow shout out Damn you don't really see that as an adult I was like where the fuck is Can we re-rack this? Excuse my language, sorry Are we going to get a Sorry for the Language sign up

In the corner? I'd like to hear the rest of this Pokemon question now I live in California And they are in a majority of my grocery stores I'm wondering if you have seen them in New York stores. I know you buy UFC cards.

Do either of you collect cards, sealed, or otherwise? The death of Ariel Halani. You can feel the soul leaving his body as he reads. No, tell us. I personally have never seen me. I've never seen these, but I'd love to start collecting them. It looks great. There's a big, there's a giant Pokemon.

You know, it's the opposite of a hot tag, this, a cold tag. This is a cold. Come on. I love this so much. I love it. oh all right come on let's let's get some momentum here question number two is going to be a good one i feel it okay i thought this was question number three magic to gather

love me or hate me asks pain and gain is no doubt the best rock film edge of your seat the entire movie it is good i enjoy it a lot have you ever seen it no i'm in markey mark ariel how are you are you okay are we going to be all right oh here's another good one yes tell us tell us please Samuel asks could you please do us all a favor

and just ask Brendan Chob to come on the show That's actually a hot tag That should have been the Do we call Brandon Shob right now And just have them on the show Here's another brain busting Jesus.

Shalom, Ariel. During the break, I really missed the show, but I used the free time to get to know my favorite podcaster and host a little better. What makes you tick, so to speak? I finally watched Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison for the first time, and I'm happy to report the world has definitely improved

when it comes to the treatment of females. My question is this. Given your father's well-documented views on The Undertaker, I have to know what did he think about your idol, the Sandman? yeah what did you think has he ever said me it was pretty deep yeah did they give you crap

for watching Sandler movies just hair says and this guy's been asking this question for the last three months and this seems like the appropriate time to finally answer the question so that I could finally have them off my

fucking page hi Ariel what are your thoughts on Crazy Kev who who's crazy kev the fucking weirdo guy online he's a twitter dude breaks news

isn't always right oh he's like an aggregator no i don't think aggregator i don't i don't know reporter oh this is a good question i like this one joe merr says one for pizzi as our euro bash representative on the show i'm intrigued to know which of the cruise americanisms you find most

annoying. Is it maybe brother instead of brother or I could care less instead of I couldn't care less? Maybe Ariel could chime in too. I really like all my American friends actually. I had a great time with a lot of Americans at the weekend at the Super Bowl game too. I love Americans. I don't know what they were asking though. I don't. None of your American. I like what about when they say something like irregardless. I don't really care. I don't know what I mean? Let it'll wash over me. I just, all right.

I hate that. What a beautiful culture. That's what I think. I appreciate that, Pizzi. No problem. A lot of negativity surrounding us, you know? Yeah. I don't, you know what?

I was telling the Yang's that on Sunday. I was like, I don't know where to fuck everyone's so upset. I love you guys, you know? So much fun. You like beer? You like hot dogs? What's not the like? You know what I mean?

Like American football? I do too. We had a great time. Yeah. I'm just trying to find a good one here. Oh, could be a while. Do you want me just keep... Oh, here's a good one.

This for a while. Ozzy Jack. Good day, Ariel. You've mentioned you work out. What do you bench? Oh, I actually am curious. It's the way he's reading. How many plates?

Connor wrote this. What is a plate? Like, is it 25 kilos? What is it? 45 pounds. So, yeah, probably. So 20 kilos? 20 kilos?

20 kilos? Yeah. Yeah, 45 pounds. Clanging and banging. Paining and gain. Yo, Ariel, and Cruz, since you have seen them both as a first-time viewer, should we watch the Smashing Machine documentary or movie first? I mean, we spent fucking 20 minutes on this yesterday.

Okay, I need to know at this point, though. He says yes, the other three say no. Next one. I need to know, though. Are you searching for ones that are intentionally? Is this what we're getting? Yeah. Hey, Ariel, what do you think about having Luke Thomas on the program?

Oh, the beat. The beat. A lot of recordings. Yeah, I saw that. Hey, Ariel, would you be willing to have Oz Perlman in studio? Yeah. Is that the mentalist?

Who was that? Oh, oh, oh, yeah. That's the mentalist? Oh, that guy's pretty sick. I'm down for that. Oh, here's a hard hitting one. PT, rate these three artists from worst to best.

Hozier, kneecap, and Thin Lizzie. Tin Lizzie one. Yeah, don't really know the other two. So, Hozier? Take me to church. Me to church, debut. How to do. All right, so Hozier's two then.

Yeah. I don't know any kneecap songs. I saw their movie. Yeah, they seem like great guys. You know what? I don't, yeah, I see you loved Mario. Oh, yeah, I don't know any of the tunes. I don't know. Irish people rapping for me just, it's never going to feel right.

Even with like House of Maine? What about Central C? That's a good point. Central C is from Cork. So here's one from Jordan. Thankfully, it's not for me. It's for G.C. What's your advice on finding a soulmate?

I have none. I'm the wrong person. Next. By the way, why is this specifically to you? I feel like that's a little bit. I think that's a bit of a troll. No, he feels wise. They're acknowledging his wisdom and they want it.

Tinder. Tinder is my advice. All right, maybe not. Shadow Link says. You know, I always missed that whole generation. I would have loved to just be fucking swiping the shit out of place on. You say that. You say that.

Swiping all over the gap. It's just a load of banging, isn't it really easy? There's no real love. on there. It's just straight up. Somebody clip this off and there's not much circulated. It's not much banging either. What are people doing out there then? What is the show I'm loving

this? This is great. It's like every time. It's more clanging than banging, right? How many plates, man? Answer the question. What do we bench it? I just met like when you climb, like when you miss you know, bricks. Well, he benched all of them when he was when he was lifting away to me.

I'll tell you that much. They just run out of work and things upon. Yeah, yeah. They were like, listen. That's every full complaint. I just gave you guys the rare double who me. It was like a double jab. It was a who me? It wasn't just a hoomit. It was a double jab. Like a John Lennon vocal track from back into that. Okay, one more and then we'll get back on track. Shadow Link asks, do you prefer how Bruce Buffer or Logan Paul pronounces your name? Trick question. They both enunciate it incorrectly. This is truly the moment I have been waiting for.

Did Bruce write that question? Okay, should we do like the Now that we got that out of our system And could we start over? Yeah, I'll tell you what. I would like that. Every single one of those questions. Were shite?

I appreciate it a few of them. Which did you like best? I got to be on the lookout for a Pokemon bending machine. Yeah. Yeah, you seemed excited about that piece. I would be so excited to get a bit of intercourse, swipy, lefty, right. Did you not hear him do the...

The reset is already in. Okay, okay. Now let's start. I've never been so tempted to hit the fucking bullshit. Okay. What's up, guys? From YFG 94. Which would you rather see?

Ilya versus Crawford slash Canelo, Alex versus Ussick slash Paul. what is that what is that question like what does that mean it's a lot it's a lot there ilia versus crawford or canello or perera versus usick slash paul first of all which one perera versus usick and perera versus paul are two very different situations ilia versus crawford slash canello are similar although canella is way bigger than crawford you know historically i don't know i guess i okay let's boil it out to this ilia versus crawford or perera versus Usik.

Ilya versus Crawford. I would prefer Ilya versus Crawford out of all of those because it feels like two of the best in their field meeting at a moment. I don't really have any confusion

about who's going to win any of the other ones. Is that the biggest as well? Jake's probably the biggest name involved in all this, no? Jake versus... Jake versus Ucic or Pereiro would probably be pretty massive.

I just don't think it's a good fight though. If it's in boxing, the boxer's going to win. If it's an MMA, the MMA fighter is going to win. There's really no... What about Usook versus Jake in the smart cage? Now we're talking. Usik versus Jake would just be wild. Like, honestly, who actually wins that fight?

Usick, right? Wait, what? Are we talking about... MMA. MMA. Oh. You have to think he boxes his face off. I do wonder who can train wrestling more.

It'll come down to that. Does Usoc have any sort of Terence Crawford-Krofford-like wrestling skills? There was... He was in a smashing machine. Barbecue at some point. Great dancer. By the way, in smashing machine, you see when he does the kick? Yeah.

So. No, no. North sale position. No, no stunt doubles as well. That was all jit. Anyway, rate some of your favorite UFC, what? Oh my God. I'm even actually,

rate some of your favorite UFC fighters in their prime or in the fight you became a fan in the video game format 1 to 100. What? Fuck off. Okay, video game format. Okay, how about this one? One specifically for G.C. and P.T.2, is Young Thug a snitch? That's a good question.

I think no. I think no. But he did get off. He got off and it wasn't looking at it. How did he get off? How did he get off? He might have snit. How did he get off? Blanche, he'd be a mic man. That's all I'm saying. I'm a supporter of Sucks, Atlanta zone.

Okay, here's an actual good one. Thought I'd clear up something that you brought up yesterday, or sorry, last week, is Wiggin a part of Manchester during the Tom Asmelchai? Greater Manchester is a county, basically like a mini-state, with Manchester being the main big city, accompanied by surrounding towns, one of which is Wiggin. What makes it even more confusing is that Tom is from Atherton, which is a mini-town that's part of the Wiggin Borough in Greater Manchester.

You know what? I don't even fully know myself, and I live in Wiggin. I just wasted yours and my time, didn't I? I've been to Atherton. P.S. Wiggin is famous for its meat and potato pie, specifically the wig and kebab, which is the meat and potato pie inside of a bun, fight feats for the Aspinall Gan Fight? Question mark, exclamation? Meat and potato kebab inside of a pie? Yeah. I think the kebab is throwing you there a bit,

G.C., it's just a meat and potato boy. Oh. Speaking of English, Irish food, how about the spice bag getting some love, P.T.? Oh, the Klonard, huh? They call us, you know, how many years later? Like, I mean, come on, lads. We put you on the map. And this is what it is, but that spice bag was on. By the way, guys, sorry, I don't know if you know this, but this is in our group chat. So no one has any idea what you're talking about right now. I mean.

Who the fuck is we? What else were we talking about? Explain to people what you're talking about. So we did the Guinness thing where we went around takes and all the Guinness in New York. And one of the posy went to was the Clonard when they had the spice bag in there, which is an Irish delicacy. And Rick had it. We kind of robbed it on Rick. we ate a lot of it

and it was fantastic and today they stole our video and put it up on their social so fairly they legit stole it yeah

oh yeah ripped it right off no credit like not even not even not even not even an h slash two

as if this day wasn't going worse enough for all of us now here's the thing here's the thing how did you find out I got sent it

by a New York friend fucking hell he said peatty you made it mate and then I sent it to you and said

lads we made it That was at it. Okay, Ozzy Jack asks about these potential trades. Usmander Magamatov for Josh Emmett. Yeah. What? Vadim Nemcov for Paulo Costa.

Yeah. Who are we trying to decide if they take it? I don't know. PFL and UFC. No, no, no, I know, but like who the winner? Who wins? He's just asking, like, are you in or are you out? Yeah, winner.

All of them. Oh, bless you. That might be the first time I've ever sneezed on the air. What a day this is. Do you hold the button? I have to say you hit the sneeze button. I actually hit the sneeze. Did you hear it?

Or you just saw it? We didn't hear it all. We just saw it. I thought it was a silent sneeze. So it does work. That one's cool. Okay. I like Nemcov versus, I like Nemcov for Costa better than Usman for Emmett.

Now here's another one. Yeah, I don't think PFOs. Figgy and Cheeto for Dakota. I don't know. Two guys kind of at the back end for someone that's like on the way. up. What about this Dean Thomas story where he's offering Magelmaud? On Goliath

Yeah. Wow, how nice. Yeah. Deep down. A number of times too, like, you know, and he has said, Ancolaev. Now, he said this before he was champion, but he was like, yeah, he's perfect for the PFL. Another guy who's great a point that nobody knows who he is. Yeah, thanks so much. Ultimately, like,

they would never say this, but we all agree, UFC wants prayer to win, right? Like, are they praying for him to win? I don't know, about praying, but they want them to win. It'd be much better for business, right? If he clips Uncle Live at some point, Dana's going to perk up a little bit, for sure.

If Pereira wins and Roundtree wins, Alberg has already won. Who's his next opponent? Perrera wins and Roundtree wins. If Pereira wins and Prochaska wins, Alberg has already won. Olberg. Okay, so Alberg's next regardless?

I think he's cheering for Pereira. Yeah. Okay. If Ancolaev wins and Roundtree wins, who's his next opponent? Roundtree, I think. I'd, I'd probably say, Ober. If Ancolaev went and Yeri wins. I think it'd be Yerie. Yerie Ancolaev? Yeah.

Yeah. I agree. He has had two shots at Pereira and obviously Glover before that. He did win. But it's a bigger name. If they're trying to make Ankyloyev into something, I think Yeri is probably the best. best option for her. And Yuri almost guarantees a good, like an exciting fight for the fan. Absolutely. Pereira versus Rauch. It was such a good fight. It was fantastic. That's why I think, I think, like, and me and

G.C. did say this on Monday. And just, and I know it's not his fault, just in terms of lack of the intrigue around that headline fight, and that's not Ovox fault. He's not from Australia, he's not from Perth. But I just do feel like Roundtree is a guy that they've sold a pay-per-view on before. Pereer, it was a fantastic fight, as you mentioned

on Monday, Ariel. I think that's why I'm kind of signing what Roundtree in all these situations. Roundtree, like, the hill fight wasn't that exciting. No. It was just kind of one-sided. Do you think Ulberg will be penalized for the poor ticket sales? Do you think that'll, you know, that'll hurt his chance?

The lack of intrigue around the event in a totality. Like, you know what I mean? Is that his fault? No, but I mean, they'd rather blame him than themselves. Oh, for sure. Ulberg versus, Ulberg versus Perr is a fun, fresh matchup, which I think would be a very good fight, right? I mean a winnable one for Pereira too

Yeah I'd love to see Routree versus Albert but that's not going to happen Yeah that's a great one actually That would be like the ushering in the new generation nearly kind of I'm really curious to see Roundtree is a very calculated striker

He's you saw against Hill He's a completely different striker than Prohaska They're both strikers I can't imagine there's going to be many Takedown attempts in this fight This is going to be the test as to whether or not Prochaska has really mellowed out as a striker

right? Because if Prochaska goes in there, like the Prochaska of old, without, you know, protecting himself, chin up in the air, let it fly, he's going to get knocked out, right? I would think, just, Rountry hits really hard, he's very precise, he's the perfect guy to negate that style. That's what I'm really curious about. How is Pachasca going to handle this fight? We know who Routre is, we know how he fights at this point, and I think we have a good sense of who he is as a striker. Prochaska is the one that's trying to evolve in front of our eyes. And I'm very curious because if it's the old Prochaska, he's getting knocked out. If it's the Pachaska that last fought against Jamal Hill, it's still, Roundtree is the favorite, right? No. He's not. He's not. I'm back in Roundtree too, honestly.

Yeah, I'll enjoy that. Remember when I asked DJ? DJ didn't want to pick a winner in the main, Co-Main, and then I asked him about that fight. He said it like without even thinking. A lot of smart people picking Roundtree this week. Is that true? A lot of people that I respect their opinion. Who, who's that?

Just a lot of people. Oh, okay. A lot of people in a lot of different circles. Of course I'm on Yuri, bro. Yuri is like top three favorite fighters of all time. Is that true? Dude, adore Yuri. Who's top one?

I don't know, that's tough. Who's, okay, who are the three? That's also tough. What do you mean? You just said it three and you don't know who one and two are? Love Volk. Okay, there's two? Tommy.

Tommy? All right, that's three. That'd probably be the active three. What about Pereira? Love Pereira. He'd slops. wide in somewhere. Adasanya,

big fan of. Let's see. Who else? Like Corey Sandhagan a lot. But like Marab a lot as well. I was thinking about this, by the way, I was thinking about this.

San Hagan Marab might be, yep, David Anama. Sanhagen Marab might be, I'm sure this has happened before plenty of times. But one of those fights were like,

I genuinely like both guys and would rather neither of them lose. Do you know what I mean? Like one of those. fights where you just like both guys. I kind of felt it with Dustin and Max. Dustin and Max.

I was thinking of title fights, but yes, I mean, that was a title. Oh, I was just being the last title fight, yeah. But when's the last title fight prior to this one where it was like two really good dudes that we all liked? Fighting for the belt. I mean, I guess Pereira Rieri. Yeah, that's another one where I didn't really want to see either guy lose. And we had to watch it twice. Corey Morave, I just like both guys for different reasons, but they're both kind of menches.

They're both friends of the show. dare I say. Kela and Juliana Pena. Julianna Pena, one of my favorites. That was a tough one, yeah. By the way, did you hear Julianne on the show last week? She still not... Oh, was that last week?

Or maybe it was two weeks ago. She's still not quite over it, Pizzi, for some reason. How do we fix this? I don't really care if you do. Wow. Are we really at 17 questions? Work or shoot. I mean, bro, you blitz through 13 and zero seconds.

Yeah, work or shoot, Pee, work or shoot. It's genuinely couldn't give a bollocks now. Wow. Speaking of Worker's Shoot, what about Van der Leis Silva? Don't know if that's a worker's shoot. He posted a video today. I saw that. Not looking great.

No. Yeah. Just let's look at it together. Yeah. The consequences of a treacherous attack that had already been announced the indignation, pain, and outrage of those who should have been protected and who today bears the physical and psychological trauma of a criminal action. Holy crap.

Do you think he has a broken orbital? Yeah. Yeah, it's not looking good, man. Yo, that is scary, man. That's definitely a broken orbital, dude. What do you guys think? It sounds like he's going to... Are you saying, like, do I think, like, this is to work themselves back into a arena?

No, no, no. No, it was just a bad transition. I just... No, no. The reason I brought up work or shoot is because originally when all this went down, I was like,

what is it with this event? You know what I mean? Because the last fight, we were kind of... Spotting, yeah. Yeah, we were kind of dup. So I'll be a thousand percent honest. When I first saw there was a brawl,

I thought it was just like a big pro wrestling match. Of course now, I don't think that. Oh, you wish it was. My God. Me too. Could you imagine? Him getting dragged is... Him getting dragged.

This is a bad visual. Someone turned that into a gift. Yeah, and like sped it up to make it look cartoonish. Oh, really? Not cool. Not cool. Don't like that. Apparently, Silver's a legend as we discussed earlier in the week. Taking a lot of damage, too. I do have some good news, guys. Yep. Oh. It's will the, will Katie Taylor fight at Croke Park and will the UFC fight have a fight in Hawaii are probably like the two greatest questions that have never been answered in the history? put the two. What?

What to answer one of these? Well, no, I just saw this article that was posted earlier today from KHON2, which I think actually KHON2 is part of the UFC ranking. The UFC ranking. Yes, yes, in Hawaii. Following a meeting for a donation on Maui last week to help wildfire survivors between Hawaii Governor Josh Green, UFC President Dana White and UFC BMF champ Max Holloway, a UFC Hawaii event is again picking up momentum.

Green said the state has shown major interest. quote unquote in hosting the event we want to bring the UFC to Hawaii we also talk to some of the benefactors of the UFC to do that the governor was complimentary of white's donation in the hallway he said he'd like to further the relationship through a partnership with the company going beyond bringing a hallway fight to the islands how about that it's not just going to be one fight what we'd like to do is a partnership with the UFC where we can perhaps bring a training facility like they have in Las Vegas to the stadium district I think it's a very good plan for us we'll hash out these details in the coming months but again that's more economic growth it's more opportunity to

kind of reshape some of the tourism experience that we have and it's something that people are very high on what happens first croak park or ufc ii sounds like it sounds like ufc oi may yeah you went to the game at croak park the football game ah ah stop it was fucking brilliant was it amazing really it's such a good time everyone everyone was on such a good boss um why do they allow the NFL to be there and not Katie? Why can't... It's not... Why can't Katie fight in the afternoon, like the NFL game? Well, the issue, obviously, with boxing is the whole Regency Hotel shooting in 2016. So I believe what Eddie Hearn was saying was that if that was to happen there, the GAA,

who won't Crow Park, the Gaelic Athletic Association, they were like, well, we're not having that happen here, so you're going to have to pay for more policing, like extra policing, that additional policing to what you would have in Wembley, say, for one of these Joshua fights. But I think, I think he's, like, Hearn's done a lot by doing those events in Dublin at three arena with Kay Taylor, kind of opened the doors again. Like, we saw Mick Conlin there a few weeks ago fighting there as well. And we've even had, like, influence our boxing shows there. I just think, and you sent me an ESPN video earlier about Crow Park. Like, I just think it would be the most fitting end to her career. I'd love to see that so much. And I think the people

of Ireland would really get behind that in a more of a way than they would have like with a Connor fight like she is as I often tell you guys she is adored she is unanimously adored across the country so hopefully that would be something they do especially you know the issue the big issue for UFC was the time they just couldn't do it at that time and as the NFL and ESPN and everybody was covering this event kept pointing out like this is in the middle of an estate a housing estate you know that that's the beauty of the stadium we're right in the heart of Dublin and there's houses all around it. So that's why they would never do a U.S.

event there, but I would love to see a Kay Taylor fight there. Unfortunately, I just think we're all fatigued at this stage of hearing that storyline dragged out. Oh, yeah. You know, every time she fights, like, oh, is it going to be this time? So hopefully, but not holding my breath. All right. Well, that remains to be seen.

Petey will reconvene with you perhaps later. Time not to get to our first guest of the day. And we've been talking a lot about him over the past week and over the past couple months as we've been anticipating the release of the Smashing Machine. It comes out this Friday. Theaters nationwide and worldwide. The reviews have been fantastic. We had Benny Saffty on yesterday. I have said, the director, of course, time and again, since you've all known me, that the Smashing Machine documentary, which was released in 2002, is the best MMA documentary of all time and certainly my favorite. And I told Benny yesterday that the Smashing Machine is now

the best MMA feature film of all time. And I believe very strongly in that statement. Of course, it's about the Smashing Machine, Mark Kerr, the former UFC tournament champion, the former Pride FC competitor, the former Vallitudo champion back in 1997, the current UFC Hall of Fame. He is kind enough to join us on what has probably been a very busy week for him. Hello, Mr. Marker. It is so great to have you on the show.

Going from the Tonight Show to the Ariel Hawanee Show, talk about the penthouse to the outhouse, my friend, but I appreciate the time very much. No, this has been a journey where, you know, I can't even, I'm failing to be able to communicate the reality of what I'm feeling. It's just been incredible to the point where, you know, having Benny involved, DJ involved, Emily involved, 824, it's just all the right people to be able to tell this story. Well, you know, I appreciate that answer. off the bat because something that I've always loved and admired about you from afar is how thoughtful you are and how introspective you are. That's what really comes across to me. Anytime I see any

type of interview, even I was watching an old interview with you and Jerry Millen from way back in the day after one of your fights when you knocked yourself out. And even in the post-fight interview, it's like, man, you don't hear this type of stuff from athletes. So even that answer speaks to that. And so can I just ask you, Mark, like, is this surreal for you? Like to be going through all of this about this film, about your life, about everything that you've been through, to have this sudden burst, there's old interviews of you saying, like, you know, I just kind of live a mundane life, and nothing is mundane about your life anymore. You're on the Tonight Show, for goodness sakes. How are you processing all of this?

It's taken me a minute to get to a place where I can just sit in it. I think the best advice I got so far as Howie Long actually said to me, you know, stay in the moment. moment, be in the moment, you know, be very feet are, you know, and try to really just be present with everything that's going on. And he said, just soak it up. Yeah, that's, that was fun last night. That was actually really fun. It's unbelievable. Yeah. You know, because it's, it's, I told this to Dwayne yesterday. I said, you know, since a Hall of Fame, uh, induction. And I said, you know, I didn't know I needed that. You know, I didn't know I wanted. that i didn't know that that little tiny hole that was left in me i didn't know i was still trying to fill it up

and and nothing would fill it up except that that circle of recognition to circle back and they go hey you know part of what you did help build where we are thank you you know and you know that that was the incredible part about the hall of fame it it it just closed up this tiny little hole that had left in me and, you know, it's given me a sense of, yeah, that was amazing. That was absolutely just jaw-dropping amazing that Emily would take time out of her schedule and DJ would do the induction speech. And, you know, it was, you know, that was an incredible night. Incredible.

And I get emotional talking about it now. I can understand. At any point, does it get overwhelming? Does it get to be too much? This is all about your life and your journey. yeah you know part of what um from the very very very beginning the thing that dwayne had promised me he said this is important to everybody that's involved we're going to treat it with as much respect as we can and we're going to have reverence for it and we're going to move forward with it with tenderness in

authenticity and you know all these things that you hear would hear and go god man i hope i hope that And from day one to where we are now, he's done every single thing he said. And, you know, really treated this as, you know, like he says, it's changed his life. It's changed his life for a lot of different reasons. Everybody involved needed this film to come along when they needed to come along for a bunch of different reasons, you know, including myself. And you know what's really interesting about that. I was just about to ask you about it.

you know, obviously it's a big deal for you, and I'd love to know what you mean by that when you say including yourself, but it seems like the Rock really needed this. Excuse me, Dwayne Johnson, it's hard not to call him that. It seems like he was in a place in his career where he was feeling like, you know, these blockbusters weren't doing it for him. He wasn't getting that respect as an actor. And it seems like playing you and getting to show people that he could be a serious actor and a dramatic actor has been like the perfect medicine for his soul. Like this was therapeutic for him. which he talks about playing you and being a part of this feels like it has been a gift for his soul. Do you get that sense as well? Oh, I, for sure, for sure. You know, he's made it crystal

clear that that, you know, he could do blockbuster movies, superstar secret agent. He can do that all day long. And there's a place for that and there's a time for that. And he loves making those movies. But a lot of it's almost, you know, he means said this. It's like stay in your You know, they were telling him, stay in your lane. Like, no, no, no, no, no. You can't do this. You can't do that. And, you know, I've told DJ, I said, you know, your whole life, they tried to put you in a box and nothing fits.

Nothing fits. You know, you can't play in the NFL while you own a league. You can't do this. Well, you own this. You can't do that. And so every time they've tried to put him in a box, he's broken out of that. And this was the opportunity that he had to really do something contrary to anyone's, belief of what he was capable of

as an actor. You said just moments ago that you needed it as well. What did you mean by that? It's like one of those. Oh gosh. I mean, it's complex because it's, you know, it's like one of those where in my life right now, I live a life where I feel like I don't

need anything. You know, it's, you know, I try to live my life present in a moment where I'm not searching or looking for something that I need to fill something in me, right? But I didn't know that I needed this, this just, you know, it's validation that what I did meant something. You know, when I put myself out there, you know, in 2002, you know, it was, it was shocking the first time I ever watched the documentary. It, you know, for three years, they captured all this film and I didn't see a single stitch of footage, zero, nothing.

until I saw it when I sat down in Dolby Sound Studios in Studio City and watched the film for the first time, the documentary, and I got up in shock, and I hadn't signed a release yet. I still had final veto over the product going out or not, and I just felt like, oh, my God, what did I do? There's no way I could put this out there. No way. Just no way.

Can't do it. And then finally, you know, come into the conclusion that, you know, John Greenhall had said to me, you know, something along the lines of like, you know, if this film, if somebody watches that struggling with the same things you're struggling with and is able to ask for help, then you save one person's life. And that gives you a worthy life. And that was kind of the thing I needed to hear. Can I ask, going back to the very beginning, how were you even approached about doing the documentary? So I'm guessing this is early 2000s, right? John Hines is the director. Okay. So John Hines is a director.

He did the editing as well. John Greenhall is a producer, and John and I were at Syracuse together. By the way, fellow Orangeman right here. Yeah. Okay, there you go. We got Otto right there for you. Right here. Yes, that's awesome.

that is awesome i didn't know apologize apologize please keep going no so anyways as it turns out uh john greenhalt who was in new house went to film school and and um he said hey brer you know we want i want to come and do a documentary and at that point anybody that had shown up to do a documentary had the little best buyer circuit city flip open screen you know camcorder looking through the little thing and you know it was one of those where it's like okay yeah you come and so i got him permission to come over and film the little chance and fight and he shows up

with these you know two 15 000 Sony cameras a boom mic you know crew of people and i'm like oh fuck you you're you really do want to make a documentary like oh shit they film it they film some of them leaving up to it and then it just happens to be you know in that time frame i mean it's you know so looking back on it it's all it's all it's all it's all it's it It's all that needed to happen, obviously, and, you know, I was so delusional at the point where I figured I could operate and be around them and, you know, be on, you know, the painkillers I was on and all that stuff, and nobody would notice. Yeah. I didn't go so good. Why were you so open? Like, there's scenes in the dock, which I've watched again, and it takes

me back to the air. And, like, you're going through all the drugs and stuff like that. You're there with your girlfriend. And I'm thinking to myself, why did he agree to this? Why did he allow them to shoot all of this. Do you remember why? Yeah, I do. I do. Um, you know, when they started filming, when I got back after a little chance to fight and they started filming, um, I was just in such a downward spiral. Like I said, you know, I, I really thought like I was fooling everybody. Nobody knew, you know, that, you know, what was going on with me. And so, um, John Greenhall, um, put the camera down. and film crews out in the kitchen,

they're out in the kitchen living room, puts the film down. I shut the door to my bedroom and him and I just sit down and talk. And he's like, hey, you need help. And, you know, at that point, it was like that,

because I hadn't told anybody, the only person on the planet that knew anything that was going on me was dawn. You know, and it was this shame and this, guilt and you know all of these things that were in me because i hadn't been able to communicate this to anybody that i was addicted to drugs that it was just i didn't know how to get out of where i was and um and me had just talked and he said uh he had said you know something like you know

just you know let me in you know and i'll figure out how to help you and uh and it turns out where i said okay you want to see what i'm really doing and he's like yeah and he goes to camera and he brings it over and and that was a moment where it was like it was relief for me it was absolutely relief to to somebody else knew what the fuck was going on with me wow did don your your significant other at the time did she try to convince you not to do it um at that point there there was very i wasn't listening to anybody okay i wasn't listening to anybody i was so buried in you know all the bullshit that i was going through it it was one of those where um once he was

once he was it once i let john in it was in you're in full you're in full force you know once the movie came out and you're watching yourself go through all of this what was that like the aftermath it gets incredible you know reviews and accolades but it's getting those reviews and accolades because you're so open and honest about your trials and tribulations. Everyone else is enjoying it, but this is still you and all your warts in front of the world. Oh, God. Yeah. It's, you know, it still had, you know, from watching the documentary when that came out, seeing the reaction, you know, when I went, so I was sober when I went to the premiere, they had at HBO for the documentary, and they had a Q&A afterward and all that stuff,

and it's at their headquarters in New York and have theaters at top. And, you know, after it was done, you know, I'm in the lobby and like a 65-year-old grandmother comes over to me, normally we'd have nothing in common with me, zero. And she starts this conversation with me and a minute in the conversation, she says,

you know, my grandson has problems with alcohol. And I think he has problems with drugs. And we have this conversation about, her grandson and it like opened the door for her to start talking to me about something that's personal and private i tell people talk like talking about addiction in public it's like talking about masturbation right it's just a subject you don't bring up in public or you don't talk about so inherently it's difficult to talk about those personal things but when somebody watches you know this big strong powerful dude you know break it down and talk about these very sensitive and emotional thing that

openly and in expressing myself in a way where it's like you know i'm giving you everything when i talk to you you know i'm speaking from my heart and speaking from a place and it gives people the freedom to be able to do the same in in the aftermath did that make seeing yourself on on on camera you know like uh on the big screen acting this way did that help or did it make it worse you know what help like watching it watching dj play me and watching emma Oh, I meant, sorry, in the aftermath of the doc coming out. Like, I'm talking like early 2000, seeing yourself raw form doing that stuff. Did it help you or did it make it worse?

It helped. It definitely helped. You know, back then, they don't have the resources they have now. It's not like I could get on the internet and start searching for like, hey, what happens when you stop using opiates or what, they had none of those resources. So getting that out and not feeling like I was trapped in it where I had nowhere to go, the shame just buried me, that was a huge relief. And then to see people how receptive they were to watching it and how much they identified

with just the humanness of it, that was, you know, it was liberating. It really was liberating. how did you find out that duane johnson wanted to make a movie about your life um i got contacted by uh by william morris his agency and the agency put us in touch and uh you know it's like one of those one of those phone calls where i'm like you know it's in disbelief it's like yeah okay you're you want to make him a all right yeah okay okay we'll see if it happens kind of thing and it was like it's like you know he goes no i'm going to make an announcement i'm going to make it a bmf belt and all this stuff and that happens and i'm like oh my god man

this thing is going to happen and then pandemic right right and then through the pandemic get out of it right or strike you know screen ice guilt all this all these obstacles kept popping up so i you know i tell people i go i had dwayne's cell phone number for four years I didn't text it or call it once. You didn't want to check in. I'm sure you were curious. I was curious. There's moments where I'm like,

ah, but you know, me calling him, you know, it would have been like, are we making it yet? Yeah. Are we making it now? Are we making it now? You know, and it turned into this thing where I'm like, I have no control over it. I'm just going to give it to the universe

and the universe once this made, it will get made. You know, and so I just let it go because I had to live my life without that being part of it because it was such a variable. I've heard people go, yeah, it took me 30 years

to get the screenplay made. Wow. Yeah, I'm like, well, it could take 30 years. Where are you at in life in 2019 when you get that call that this is going to be made or going to attempt to be made? I'm in Scottsdale, Arizona,

and I'm about a year, about a year and a half sober or so. a year and a couple months sober and um you know like just not like like like the fear of like this taking off and like oh my god man i i don't know if i have enough sobriety to get screw this because this is a lot you know it's like you know the world isn't the world that was 25 years ago with all the social media and and all the different you know things out there it's going to be a completely different experience have you remained sober since that that period? Yeah, yeah. I've been sober seven years now. Wow. Seven years, yeah. Congratulations. Yeah. Yeah, thank you.

You have tried to be sober, and I'm sure, because in the movie, in the doc, you get to a point where you're sober, but it sounds like you were on and off. I get to sober where, you know, our narcotics, opias became just a thing in the past, and I moved beyond that. And then the slow, insidious part of what alcohol is and, you know that and you know a lot of the you know it's just one of those things where it's just like i you know it's how i'm built how i'm wired you know i have a very um addictive personality with things that i do i mean to be a really good fighter you have to be selfish you have to be addicted to what you're doing um because it takes such a concentrated effort to do it and then you know um alcohol just only just started creeping

in and it became more and more and more of my of my life and and in 2018 September 4th is my Friday date and you know I said at my Hall of Fame speech you know September 3rd 1996 my mom died and so my son knows this my son's 14 at the time he came up to me said dad I know you need drink today you know because it's a sad day your mom died but would you stop tomorrow and it was like one of those statements where I'm like at the time I'm like you you know, I'm just going to give my son another empty promise. You know, like, yeah, yeah, I got you. I'll stop.

I got it. And then for whatever reason, and I stopped asking the whys the next day when I got up. At that point, it probably drank every single day for, I don't even know how many years. And at that point I got up and it was like just something was a little different. That first day that you go on set and you see Dwayne playing yourself. And, you know, one of my favorite things about the film, as we talked to Benny about yesterday are all the little details, the Nautica sweatshirt, the bad boy, the full contact fighter, the Hofstra shirt.

Oh my God. It's unbelievable, man. What is that like for you to go back? Like we very rarely as human beings get to go back and relive our lives like that. What does that like for you? Oh, my God. So when they brought me up to production, pre-production first, they, they, I had sent them boxes and boxes and the stuff.

Every single thing that I, that I had saved, every little thing that I, thought would be useful, not understanding the context of how it's going to be used, how it's going to be made, where it's going to end up. And so when I go up to production and I see like all this stuff that was in my kitchen and being reproduced or acquired online and a wall of screen grabs, the producer Dave Copeland, he was behind me and he was just gauging my emotional state because he was he knew it was overwhelming he knew it was like he would just lean into me and he would go are you okay wow you know and i would go i'm okay david he goes you you don't have to walk off through this because you could take a break and i was like no no so i go to

like costume and it's like all in all my tracksuits and and all my sweatshirts and all the posture t-shirts and you know all this stuff which it was it was mind-boggling how it was so this is like just hats off to benny how important it was for him like how like he probably told you they they built not movable walls they rebuilt four rooms in my house wow from 25 years ago so there's running water. There's electricity. There's all this because when he wanted DJ and Emily to get in this,

he buried all the cameras. He buried all the lights. So when they were there and I said, you know what, Benny? So watching that scene, I felt like a boyer. I felt like I was looking and watching the neighbors who had this big

window open and I could watch them and hear them. And it's this feeling. And he goes, that's what he wanted to create he wanted to create because i felt myself looking at it but feeling like i i shouldn't be watching when i'm watching even though it's my life wow i mean just a thought for detail and everything and the creativity of benny to do that just allowed dj and emily to get to a place emotionally where you see it how raw how just really fucking raw that last scene is and how how intense it is. And for me to see that, it was like, you know, that was the part which was completely

therapeutic and like, like just I could let go of those last little parts of shame that I was holding on to going, I'll own that because that's my part. And there's no getting around it. And, you know, there was selfishness and self-centeredness in this, you know, pursuit of what I was doing and the consequences of people around me suffered. You know, they had to endure. You know, even though my goal was to raise everybody up. It's like it was such a huge fucking cost, you know, because everybody had to pay a price in it. And he had addiction in.

That was another price nobody signed up to pay, but I didn't care because I just wanted what I wanted. Wow. Man, what a gem you are. It's really so, I hate to say refreshing to hear you speak because I know you're in pain talking about this stuff, but you rarely hear public people speak like this about their issues. And so I really, really do appreciate it.

and it's been a common theme throughout your life. I know we have to wrap. So I just want to ask, just curious, like, how are you now, Mark? Like, how is life for you now? And what do you do? How do you spend your time? When you're not out on the Tonight Show set, promoting a movie about your life with Dwayne, the Rock Johnson,

what does Mark Kerr do from? Because we haven't heard much from you for quite some time as far as M.A.'s concern. So I'm remarried, which is a miracle. I have a beautiful wife, and her and I have a company called Absolute Wellness. And so I spent a lot of my time helping her. You know, I love talking. I don't like sitting behind a computer. So any meeting my wife sets up, there you go, any meeting my wife sets up, you know,

I sit and me with clients and stuff like that. You know, she's been in this space for 23, 24 years. She designed amenities spaces, fitness centers. She does it for multifamily housing, municipalities, master plan communities. She does a coast to coast. So that occupies a lot of my time. I'm in the process of finishing a book proposal to get a book out there next year. And, you know, there's other aspects where I'm starting.

You know, I'm finally on top of my health where I actually can go in. And I have a 21-year-old son, Bryce, Don and I have that son together. And, you know, he's training. He goes and he loves boxing unless you get to. And my whole goal is he get healthy enough to go on to roll around with him where I can now. Wow. So that's actually a small little miracle as well. Any chance he falls in your footsteps that he becomes a fighter?

You know, he has the aptitude for it. He has the, I mean, he has grit. Just he had just grit for a kid. He loves boxing. He's just enamored with the footwork. I can catch him like I can walk in a room and he'll be sitting there shadow boxing. Wow. It's just one from a young age.

He wasn't watching the. the punches in the face, he's watching the footwork. And I'm like, I didn't get that until I was fighting, like, how important that was. So there's a chance, you know, but he's singularly driven to be successful, which is a, you know, a blessing. Mark, you're a blessing. Your life is a blessing, and it's amazing what the journey has, where it's brought you and what it has done for you and for others as well. Again, I'll never forget, you know, I'll say this very quickly. before I let you go, and this isn't about me, but I just want to let you know how much the doc meant

to people like me. I watched that doc in 2002 at Syracuse University. I was very lonely. I was very depressed, and my comfort was MMA. I had an MMA radio show at the time that no one listened to. Absolutely no one listened to. But it was impossible to find any MMA content, and here's HBO showing an MMA doc.

I'm like, holy crap, as you know at the time, no one talked about MMA. I couldn't believe it. And then you see what you show us. And so that was the greatest MMA doc of all time till this day. But I felt like it was like our, like, I hope no one messes this up. And so when I heard that Dwayne Johnson was going to do a movie, I was nervous because I was like, I don't want it to get ruined. And as I said to Benny yesterday, it's now the greatest MMA doc of all time and the greatest

MMA feature film of all time because they nailed it. All the details for the hardcore old school fans was just like a trip down memory lane that I know how it meant for me. I can't even imagine how it meant for you to watch it and now to see all the love and attention that you're receiving, warms my heart, and I don't really know you on a personal level, but I'm just so happy for you. I really am so happy for it. You know what? That means the world, because that was the intent from the beginning. And like I said, everybody involved treated it with such care and reverence. And, you know, because I'm alive still, you know, like the biopic

where I'm alive and that feedback and they understood that. So they had such respect for putting something out that I could look at and be proud of. And on the other side of it, this is a big thing. I'm finally in a place where I can give myself grace. And that's all part of this. God bless you, my friend. All the best to you. Congratulations. And so happy to see that you're in a great place and enjoy everything that comes with all the success of the film. You deserve it, Mark. Thank you so much for the time. I appreciate it. Thank you again. There he is. The Smashing Machine, the original. Mark Kerr, what a guy. I hope from the conversations that we have had this week with Benny Safdi, with Mark Kerr, from the conversations that the team has had about this

film. I hope that you all, A, go check out the film. October 3rd, it comes out, which is in two days. And then I hope you all check out the doc. And I hope that some platform like Netflix or HBO Max puts it on so that you can watch it in the best kind of format quality possible because it really is worth seeing. It really, really is. That was phenomenal. All right. Thank you very much to the great Marker for his time. Thank you very much to everyone involved in the film for setting it up. We really, really appreciate it. And that was medicine for my soul after the morning that we had today. Without further ado, let us bring in the co-founder, or I should just say the founder, the founder of BKFCM. I'm used to saying co-founder when it comes to other promotions.

But this is the guy who started it and who is still the man, is still the face of the promotion. Of course, they have a huge, huge, huge event this Saturday in Newark. Their first first show in New Jersey, BKFC 82. It's Mike Perry against Jeremy Stevens for the King of Violence Belt, also the Queen of Violence Belt, on the line as well. There it is. Let's say hello to the one and only, David Feldman. Kind enough to join us on this Wednesday afternoon.

There he is with the belt. Is that it? There it is. Is that the king or the queen? Good to see you. This is the king. That's the little one that I'm going to leave with you. Wow.

You have to leave it up here now. It will be here. Wow. This is nice. Look at this. Look at this. Look at that. Ooh, I appreciate that.

Thank you. I'm going to put it right over here. How about that? There you go. How are you, sir? Good to see you. And good to see you. So is there going to be a queen of violence one as well?

We do have the queen of violence, actually. I can probably bring it in. No, no, it's all good. Same size, same look. Purple. And, oh, I like that. Okay. And this will be the first time that that belt is on the line, right?

And how did you determine who is going to fight for it? I think just two of the badass women that I have in the company, Christine Fourier versus Jessica Borga. Jessica Borga is the first girl in our company history that actually scored a knockout, like clean knockout, 10-count knockout, and Christine Fourier has just been a beast since the beginning of BKFC, so it was fitting. I feel like this is a very notable time in your path in your history

because New Jersey, as you know, was one of the first states to sanction MMA way back in the day, put together the unified rules of MMA, and so they were kind of like one of the first, board. So for you to have an MMA event, excuse me, a BKFC event in New Jersey feels significant, how has it been working with the commission, getting everything set for Saturday? It was great. It was great. I mean, they're very stringent. It's a tough commission as far as rules and regulations go, but they were great. When we got the approval in July at the

board meeting for the commission, it's been great ever since the whole commission has been, you know, very, very good to work with. And dare I ask, how articulate? We did talk about going head to head with the UFC, but then you told me the event will finish before the UFC pay-per-view starts, which is a very smart move, I think, on your part and DeZone's part. How are ticket sales? Yeah, I think it affected us a little bit. I mean, I was hoping for a sellout.

It doesn't look like we're going to get there, to be honest with you. I think we're going to be in the 11, 12,000 person range, which is very, very respectable going up against a UFC event up here in North Jersey, but we were hoping. to get about 16,000, but we didn't get there. Are you disappointed? I'm not very disappointed. You know, I didn't schedule this to go up against the UFC. Yeah.

I scheduled it first, and then they came on it. I would never have scheduled it against the UFC, especially a pay-per-view of this magnitude, but to go up against the UFC pay-per-view of this magnitude and still sell 11, $12,000 tickets, so I'm happy. First time in the market as well. Yeah, historically, you don't usually try to go on UFC days, right? No, definitely not. I mean, we'll go against a fight night, but against the number.

event, definitely not. Did you try to move it once you heard that they were going? Yeah, they were just, it wasn't until the end of November where we had a date here in Prudential, and that didn't work for us. We're booked throughout the rest of the year. Okay. And so when you have a situation like this, you just started a little bit earlier, right? I think the whole event is going to last like four hours. You like to keep them very tight. Yeah, doors will open at five. First prelimb flight will be six, so six to seven prelims. Main car starts at seven. Should be out of there, nine 30, nine 45-ish. Mike Perry, Jeremy Stevens don't have ties to the area, but Jimmy Rivera and Frankie Edgar do. Yes.

You know this. Like when the Frankie news got announced, there was some trepidation from his fans because of how it was last week. How do you come to the determination that, okay, we are comfortable with having someone of his age and what happened recently to him with his fights fighting on this card? I think, you know, he had to pass the medicals. He had to do everything to the state required. I did watch him spar actually in person, and I was confident that, that, that, that, you know, that he could fight at this level. Okay.

And so, and he has to pass like tests and stuff like that, right? There's more medicals for someone in a high-risk category than there is for a guy that's not in a high-risk category, and he passed every medical. I will be honest with you, I heard that his status on the card is up in the air. Is he fighting on Saturday? It's, we'll determine that later on today. He has, there is a potential medical issue with him. Okay.

We're not exactly sure, and we will determine that later on today. So you'll know for sure by the end today. Okay, what are you feeling? What are you thinking? It's a coin toss. Coin toss. Is there a replacement on deck? Yes.

Okay. Who is the replacement? The replacement is a kid out of Montana that just won by knockout on the Sturgis card, Timmy Mason. Okay. Awkward, good puncher, rough, tough kid. It'll be a good fight. It won't be obviously as big a name as Frankie Edgar, but definitely a very respectable fight. If the Frankie fight doesn't go through,

would you like to have him on or would this in the future or would this preclude him from fighting again in BKFC? I really, really like Frank Yeager. Yeah. I met him. He's a cool dude. He's real.

He's one of the realest guys I've ever met. Yeah, in fighting. I mean, but being a legend, you would never know he's a legend by the way he acts. He's just awesome. So the answer is yes, we just want to make sure every obstacle is cleared. Okay.

You've got, and so we'll find out later today. Okay. Mike Perry, Jeremy Stevens. We talked to you when you made the fight happen and we saw the little fracas in the ring not that long ago. Here's the footage in case anyone missed it. Very good stuff. It feels pretty tense with these guys. You've been around them now. How would you describe the state of their quote-unquote relationship? Yeah, I think it started off where it was another fight, right? It was another fight. So we did a little promo for it. And now I think they generally don't genuinely. lead do not like each other i know mike definitely doesn't like jeremy stevens at all and i don't think jeremy likes mike so i think that's going to translate into a great fight any idea why i think it had something to do with something that happened into ufc that i heard about and i'm not quite sure okay but something and and what about the weight what weight is this at it's 175 and and is there um a cap is there like a rehydration clause there is 10 percent and whose whose call was that Who wanted that?

That's not typical. Jeremy Stevens camp. I mean, he is coming up in wait, and Mike's camp accepted it, no problem at all. Do you have an issue with rehydration clauses? I don't. Okay. I don't. I mean, there's circumstances.

I mean, in general, I don't like it, but I mean, in certain circumstances, I think it works. Okay. Because historically, you guys don't really have them, right? We had it one time before. One time. Which fight was that? My favorite guy, Luke Rockhold. That's right.

That's right. his fight against Perry against Perry with with Luke we had a rehydration clause and that's where we butted heads a little bit okay and in in what way because he thought we singled him out which we did it was for his fight it wasn't for everybody else it was for that particular fight and he didn't like that he wanted it to be for everybody and you know one of those things sure sure when you saw him get knocked out what was your reaction I mean you know I feel sorry I I do like the guy I mean the guy he's

He's a legend. I mean, no one can take any of his accolades away from him. He's one of the best, you know, fighters pound for pound in the UFC. Yeah, he truly is. But, you know, he's shit on our sport. And, you know, things happen. It's two guys who shat on your sport, right? Till and Rockhold. I don't know who you like less. That's weird that Till did, though, because he's, he's nonstop calling me. Is he really? Yeah. Nonstop. Not stop. About what? We're going to, we're going to do a deal. You are? I'm confident we are. I'm confident we are. We've been hearing about this for like, what? I know, but listen, you know, it's, he expresses interest and then he goes in different direction, but he's reached out a lot this time.

So when he calls you after this and says, let me clear that up. Yeah. Aaron, you've been reaching out a lot. He went to go, I think he won a vacation to see his daughter in Brazil. Yeah. And we talked a lot during that, and we're going to go over to the UK and we're going to try to get a deal done with it. Oh, wow.

Okay. You were just in the UK, but you didn't see him. No. You were in Manchester, right? Yeah, he wasn't back yet. Okay, okay. And so is the deal for him to fight Mike Perry? If Perry wins.

I mean... Okay. And I mean a big if, because Jeremy Stevens in bare knuckle is no slouch. Yeah. And this is a great fight. But we'll see. I mean, Mike Perry hasn't been knocking out his guys in BKFC, but he's been breaking everybody that he fought.

And we'll see if he can break Jeremy Stevens. There is a case to be made, though, that regardless of the result of this made of that Perry versus Till is a big enough fight that it doesn't really matter what happens on Saturday. Do you not agree? I don't agree. I agree that if it's a great fight and Perry comes up short, that I agree.

But if he somehow gets knocked out or walked all over, then... So if Perry loses, are you done with Till? Or is there another option? Because Till v. Stevens, that might be too big of a size difference. Yeah, I think it is. But I think Till is a big draw in the UK.

I think we just proved on Saturday night that we're really starting to grow in the UK over 5,000 fans, great, great card. In Manchester, right? Yeah, in Manchester. So I think that we can continue that. Okay. Continue talks with Till.

And so if Till does cut a deal with you, does that mean he's done with misfits? I don't know what's going to happen with that. It doesn't really matter to me. I just want to get... You want this fight? I want this fight. I want Till versus Perry,

not rooting against Jeremy Stevens, but I want Till versus Perry. But if it's Stevens, then we'll figure something else out. How are things with Perry? It's good, great. Yeah. Actually, great. How many fights does he have left?

I think two after this. Oh, okay, so three. Yeah. Okay, so you're still staying, because there was obviously that period there where we weren't quite sure if he was going to come back. Well, I mean, look, I told him the same thing. I mean, his name value went down a little bit after the Jake Paul fight, but I think people are starting to realize that, you know,

bare knuckle is different, and he can perform better and different in bare knuckle than he can in boxing and you know this is his sport i mean i encourage him not to do that fight but you know he got paid pretty decently and and he took it but it wasn't that's not where mike mary doesn't belong in a boxing ring he belongs in a bare knuckle ring or in an m m cage yeah do you do you not like that he's promoting this dirty boxing i don't mind it yeah you don't view it as competition no not at all i mean you know good for him as long as you know he stays in his lane sure And his team stays in their lane good for them. Has he tried?

Because there's been some sort of, I would say maybe crossover at athletes. Like U.O. Romero fought for them. He's fighting for you now. Do you ever feel like you're negotiating against him or his team where it makes it awkward? Not really. Not really. I mean, it's a different animal. Okay.

Completely different animal. Just because it's a different sport? Different sport, different level right now, different pay scale. It's just a whole different thing right now. I see Dirty Boxing doing pretty good because it's an exciting role set. It is an exciting role set, but there's nothing like Barrenocle.

What did you think of U.L and his debut? I thought he looked good. Yeah. I thought he looked really good. I mean, very relaxed, very comfortable, and it was a beautiful ending. I mean, the guy is ageless. It's unbelievable to look like that at 48.

All right. What are your plans for him? He's going to come back. Yeah. I hope so. Yeah, he's going to come back I don't think we're going to rush him into the title this fight, but if he wins another one by a good knockout,

it would be good to see him fight for the championship. And would that be, which weight would that be, heavyweight? 205. 205, okay. Right now we have Alessius Saccard fighting Chris Comozy for that, October 25th in Rome, Italy. Man, what a scene that's going to be? That's going to be.

At the Coliseum? No, but it's a cool, it's a round arena. It's all in the round. It's a beautiful place. It's 11,000 seats. I can't remember the name of it. Do you go to all these events? Are you at every single one?

I go to almost all of them. Okay. Almost all of them. I will be in Rome for sure. And what is it like for you when you're not there, when the event is running without you? You know, it's good and bad. I want to be there because if they're not, I'm very animated there because I love it. Like, this isn't just a job for me.

This isn't another promotion for me. This is my life. And when guys don't fight good, I'm banging on the canvas, fight harder. Get up. Like, I have guys that will look in my eyes as they got knocked down. and I'll be like, get up, and then they get up. And it's really awesome because I talk them up. And, you know, when I'm not there, obviously I can't do that,

but I also get to dissect the whole show a lot differently when I'm not there. Okay, from a production standpoint, right, right. Obviously, someone who is also animated at your events is Connor McGregor, your partner. How is it going with him? It's going great. Yeah?

I mean, like showing up to all these events, were you expecting that? Overdelivered. Yeah. He over delivered on that respect. delivered on that respect 100% I mean he he truly loves the sport too he really loves it this isn't another thing for him I mean I think you know this is an opportunity for him to do something he wasn't able to do with the UFC and be a part of a growth of a of a company that he thinks can be

something big and obviously I do and I think together we're building something pretty special seems very genuine when he talks about it I think he calls it like combat sport to alien or something like that the alien of combat sport yeah yeah yeah so it seems like he's super into it and he always keeps and he even said it this past weekend that he's going to compete in it yeah you believe him i mean he has to fight two fights with the ufs sure but eventually yeah i mean if he gets through those two fights there's it makes no sense for him not to right financially i mean it makes no sense for him what's the dream the dream connor mcgregor beat kFC debut fight i mean right now it the one that would make sense is mike perry but i don't know if that's it in a year

and a half for now. I thought you know what I thought you were going to say? Nate Diaz. Yeah, I mean, of course. Did you imagine Nate versus Connor three under BKFC rules? We talked to Nate a few times. He just literally said, he said, look, I have too much scar tissue for this right now. But I think if it was Connor McGregor that was on the other side of that of that ring, he would take it. Yeah, I would love that. I would also like to see him fight possibly Connor McGregor versus Mazzvedal and Bernal. I mean, who wouldn't want to see that? Right. Have you talked to Mazzvedal? No. He had his, promotion but they haven't put on events recently i don't think that they have but uh they may again soon

okay not sure okay okay would you like to have him in bkFC yeah yes he would be a good one he would be great right i mean he's a he's a he's a dog and he's from miami miami's like our second home and he started who wouldn't want to see at all in bare knuckle right really who wouldn't anyone that follows him know that's where he started so why not finish there the the key and again it's going back to some of the things, the key is to not just have the guys who are viewed older, right? I think you made a lot of headlines when you signed Page way back when, Paige Van Zand, because she was so much younger. And so it's like, wow, someone in their prime is going this route. Do you see any openings for getting more people like that?

Yeah. You know, when we grew this, when we started this thing, like we, I was just telling one of the guys out there, I worked for nine years to get this thing legal. So I wasn't even trying to build a business. I just had to do an event. I'm like, I worked my ass off for nine years to get this thing done. I have to do an event. So I did an event and it was trending number one on Twitter and everybody was talking about it. I was like, all right, maybe we can build something here. Three or four events later, I was like, we've got something special here. So I just started to really build it. I'm getting to where I'm going. Sure, sure. You know, we grew so fast. We actually grew too fast that it's hard to catch out with funding. And now we have

really great team put together to fund us to really put this thing together the right way. So you will see a lot of boxers and MMA fighters in their prime coming over to BKFC right now and really making a name for themselves in this sport. Okay. You will see that. We have a slew of them in the UK and it's translating over here to the United States as well. In terms of states now, where are we at? 42.

42. I think we're only at, again, only at two that we really want to be in right now that we're not. that's Nevada in New York, and New York, again, the commission likes it. It's just, it's a legislative ladder thing. I mean, you know, two, three years away. But Nevada, I'm confident we'll be in Nevada next year. An event in Nevada or just legal in Nevada? No, an event.

Okay, yeah. I mean, if they're doing slap fighting. I don't want to get a legal. I'm not going to do an event. Right. If you're doing slap fighting, how do you not do bare knuckle? What do you think of the slap fighting? I think it's a, as a sport or as a entertainment.

as an entity. It is what it is. I mean, look, it gets a lot of views. It's what I call, you know, oh shit views. That's what it gets. It gets like, man, you see that moment? Oh, did you see that? Did you see that?

So it's good for that. I mean, is it a skilled sport? Obviously, it's defenseless. So it's not a real sport, but it's real, real entertainment. Because it is, it is entertaining to watch, but is it something that, you know, you're going to, as you're growing up in combat sports, say, I want to be a slap fighter, probably not.

Do you deliver, oh, shit, views? Oh, yeah. But not just that. You would say you're, you deliver ocean views, but you're also a sport. Oh, we have, I mean, 100% we're a sport. We're building something unbelievable now. We really are. We have so many great fights now and great knockouts and real, like real skilled guys now.

They're really, really learning the sport. They're learning how to tough in their hands. They're learning how to really do everything about bare and uncle, where to punch, how to punch. So, I mean, we're really developing something, something great here. is there ever a moment like there was a knockout a couple weeks ago um i don't remember the the gentleman's name but he was like stiff but standing where he just like he's you know what i'm talking about and then he falls is there ever a moment where you're watching you're like um this is scary like because some of the knockouts for whatever reason are very scary sometimes is there ever a moment where you're

uncomfortable we're like wow i hope everything's okay of course of course i mean i've been promoted boxing and promoted mixed martial arts i've had the same thing in all all three sports and every single time that anyone gets not stiff, I'm scared because you've got to make sure that they wake up and everything's good, of course. If I wasn't scared, I wouldn't be human. Has there ever been a time where you were like, oh shit, this is even skit?

Once. It was a knockout in Dubai. Okay. I was like, wow, is this guy going to move? Yeah. Is this guy even going to move? And when they ended up happening? Yeah.

He was fine? He was good. Walked out of the ring. Walked out. It's just a matter. I mean, when I, again, like, I think it was my third or fourth vent in, I had my chief medical officer, Dr. Don Moosey, he's at Rang's Eye, and I'm going, like, three straight knockouts. I'm like, Don, this is unbelievable. Like, are we okay? And he's like, Dave, this is actually okay. Fast knockouts, we're okay with that. We're not okay with someone, you know, going five rounds, six rounds, or whatever it may be, and having wars. That's where I get nervous. I don't get nervous with knockouts. Okay. How are things going with DeZone? Great.

Do you like being on pay-per-view? Paperview is a little tricky right now, but I think... Everyone's moving away from pay-per-view. Everybody's moving away from it. And your event on Saturday's pay-per-view. Yes. And that's the other tricky part with fans. Like, you want MMA fans to buy this show,

and they're going to be asked to buy two pay-per-views on the same night. Yeah. So what do we do about that? How do we fix this? UFC's not even on pay-per-view anymore starting next year. Yeah, I mean, I think they're still going to do pay-per-view events. I think... I don't think so.

I think we're going to figure something. Dana said he's going to do four or five pay-per-view events next year. He just said that. No, no. I think he was trying to, respectfully, I think he was trying to save face because he still had four left to promote this year. But look, if I had my choice, I'd never do pay-per-view because I want people to be able to watch everything. But I think it's, you know, this is a great fight. We're on a platform that we have an agreement with to do pay-per-view.

and the zone really knows how to promote it and really knows how to protect piracy a lot. So I think we should do okay. I think my two cents, you didn't ask for my two cents. The zone needs to get off the pay-per-view train if only because it's already a price to get onto DeZone. And then you're asking for another price on top of it?

It just doesn't work. But are you asking for another price if you're just buying a pay-per-view? I don't think so. Oh. So you don't need to be a DeZone subscriber to get the pay-per-view? I think if you do, they take that off of the... Oh, well, that's a better deal.

Because the ESPN Plus situation didn't make any sense because you had to subscribe to ESPN Plus just to get the pay-per-view. So I thought it would be the same thing. Yeah, absolutely. How much is your pay-per-view? 49. Okay, so cheaper than a UFC?

Yeah, definitely. Do you foresee a day when you're no longer on pay-per-view? Yeah. You'd like that. Yes. Do you foresee a day where you're on linear television? I mean... Or does that not matter?

The zone's a good partner. I want to be on a place where we can get a lot of viewers. Yeah. And if the zone owns combat sports, you know, with a lot of combat sports, sports then yeah if they don't then you know maybe we will look elsewhere but de zone has been a great partner so far and i think they're going to be a great partner going forward is it a long-term deal it's a three-year deal okay and this is year one yeah um last time last time we spoke we talked about

triller and all that where do we stand with that with the um they're just a minority shareholder now okay so who's the majority uh actually it's up for grabs right now okay so i could jump in yeah you in I mean, what's the price? What's the price? What are we talking? Why doesn't Connor just become the, he could afford it probably, no? Yeah, but I think we want value added,

more value added partners. And I think the one we're talking to now, which we actually have a closing date of October 15th to close our big deal. Oh, wow. And that's with the guy that's got really great connections all around the world.

And I think... He'd be the majority owner? Yeah. Wow. And what would that mean for you? Nothing. Nothing. I mean, except we have the money to fund

this thing the way we want to and as far as my equity it won't actually i'll go up a little bit okay and this is one singular guy or a whole like a well he he owns a group but it's it's it's him doing it himself because he actually had some outsiders that wanted to come in some big uh sovereign countries that wanted to come in but he didn't want to take him he wanted to do it himself wow do we know this guy no he's not a name in the world what is his name no can't tell us where does he live not yet Is it turkey al-Shake? No. I wish.

Have you talked to him about this? We had an agreement to do something, but now that he's doing all the stuff with the UFC, it's probably not going to come to fruition. Okay. Why not? I just think he's too in-depth with so many different combat sports events now. Okay. I mean, he's big, big in with match room and what they're doing in Joan. He's big in with the UFC now, so.

BKFC Read? It's a little different. It would be great. Did you actually talk to him or his team? No, I didn't talk to him. I talked to a prince that was with him. Got it, got it. And so the gentleman that you were talking about is Florida.

Yeah. Florida-based. So you feel good about this? Yeah. Wow. I'm great about it. Can I ask what the, what the price is? What valuation we're doing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. $350 million. And what did Triller buy it for? 80. Wow. This is great. Yeah. And do you make some of this as well?

I don't think we're going to get liquidity in this because I want to keep it the business okay okay i think there's an opportunity to have a liquidity event right now but i don't want to i want to i want to grow this thing i love it i really truly think it you know it's a two three billion dollar exit yeah when it exit so of course i don't want to i'm all in we just talked about it out there like i'm all in yeah i know but everything in i don't think that's ever been in in in different times and i'm still all in right you know i my my comfort zone is being uncomfortable people. It is. It truly is. Like, you know, I perform under pressure every time and it always comes through. And there have been moments where you thought this is it. Yeah. And that doesn't scare you.

So I'm going to tell you a secret that. Oh, tell us. The Denver event that I did, that Conner McGregor came in. Well, yeah, the one where you faced off with Perry? Yeah, where I mortgaged my house. Yeah. I didn't have the money for that event until three days after the event. Jesus. Like I did the event, just rolling the dice and saying this is going to work out. and it worked out. I just think if you do the right thing, work your ass off, put all the puzzle pieces together,

it works out. You're not crapping your pants during all this, like during the weeks? Of course I am. Are you telling anyone? Two or three people. Okay. And how did you get the money?

Investors. Okay. It performed well and they wanted to see it. What if it didn't perform? Do you think it performed well because Connor showed up? Did he kind of raise the profile? I think, I don't think it performed well because of that because we didn't know he was showing up.

Right. I think the after effect of him being there got the investors very interested. Yes, 100%. Oh, that's what I meant. That's what I meant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I remember we talked about it for three, four days. Of course.

And at that point, correct me if I'm wrong, he wasn't involved at all, right? He was just checking it out. So he first got involved by, he came to the event that he first got involved by, with his forged iris stout, became a sponsor of ours. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then six months down the road, we just started talking and saying, man, you got to get Bob with this and he said, you know, how he talks. I love it. It's the rocket chip and all this stuff. And here we are now. So do you pitch him to be involved? Yeah. Okay. That wasn't really his

intention initially? No. He just wanted to check it out. He liked it. He was sponsoring. He sponsored it. And I said, get involved. And then we worked out of it. So what happens just in an alternate universe? Connor doesn't show up to this event. And it just is another event. We'll never know. Wow. Would the company cease to exist? You think at this point? could it have gone under yeah damn i'm not saying you didn't have the money under it could have it could have went under honestly aerial a dozen times a dozen a dozen events it could have went under when was the last one like how recent are we talking um probably like six months ago really yeah what happened that's not that long ago yeah but we're just we're we're doing so many events so

it's not that we're losing money. We're actually in the black a little bit now. Oh, wow. But we're cash flow. We're doing so many events by the time you get, like, it takes 12 events to get paid sometimes. I mean, three months. For us, that's 12 events sometimes, 10 events.

So we have to put on 10 events before we get the money for that and then just recycling it in. So it becomes difficult funding, but as far as the growth, it's been unbelievable. Have you ever thought about scaling back, like maybe just an event, month you can't why if if if i went from doing all these events yeah and doing the big events and just putting it all out there to doing one event a month what would you say as a reporter

they couldn't no i get that's a business person yeah as a reporter you would say they couldn't keep up with themselves yes and no but i'm actually always the guy who says less is more like give me 12 mega events or big events as opposed to you build fighter Yeah, I know, I know. How do you bought a roster? How many fighters are on your roster right now? 280. 280.

How many events? 38 this year. And there's a delineation, right? There's like the pay-per-view events, and then there's like the fight nights. The next year, next year there'll be three-level events. Okay. There'll be the numbered events, the four-tenpo events, the numbered events, and what we're going to be launching in 2026 is BKFC Fight Club.

It's going to be a fight club. It's going to be a small event, two, three, people in a warehouse warehouse setting it's going to be really unbelievable wow wow so what we're going to do is i'm going to break this here is we're going to have all guys the same weight and the same experience level so the commission is going to prove them all and five minutes before the fight they're going to pick her they're fighting oh jeez and they're going to go in and fight come on yeah that's pretty cool and commission's okay with that yeah yeah because they're all same experience level and how do they pick we're just we're literally going to pick it out of that that's crazy yeah but it's it's

It's not like I'm putting someone with 30 fights in with someone with two fights. We're all going to be, let's say, less than 10 fights or less than eight fights or two fights to 10 fights, something. How many of those a year? 11, one a month. So 11 of those plus the four tent poles, you said, and then the number. So how many total you think in 26? Well, I think internationally can be really interesting now because we have a lot of people

that want to license this. Okay. So it just depends on what falls in place there. say we're probably looking at, I know what we're looking at, we're looking at 35 domestic events. Wow. And then internationally, it really could, it could be eight events to 30 events. When you say license it, what does that mean? Like licensing, like they take the brand, but it's under. Yeah, but we'll, we'll help run it with them. Okay. And work through them with it, but there'll be someone in a certain territory that'll kind of own the majority of that.

Okay. Would you own the content? Yeah. In that regard? Okay. Of course. Wow. So I think the big thing for 2006 for us, Ariel, is really creating our own stars. Yeah. We talked about it this year a little bit, but we just brought in, or we're about to,

where we just finished negotiation with someone that worked with the WWE for a long time, storyteller, character, creator, probably one of the best in the business. He's going to come over and work with us. I can't say his name right now because he's actually working with someone else, but he's going to come over

and he's going to be working with us. And I think that's really what we're missing right now. is telling stories, not necessarily like my story that, you know, I told here. Yeah. But like stories of why is this guy going to fight this guy in four fights from now? Couldn't agree more. Like, tell, how do you get them to follow us through our journey and through their journey? That's what we're really missing, and that's what we're going to put no effect in 26.

If I may, I think that, number one, you need that, you need those storylines. You need, why are we always drawn to big fights, boxing, wrestling, the tension, Perry and Stevens do it for us, but we also know Perry and Stevens, right? So you have that already built in. You're already emotionally invested in their journeys. Oftentimes I'll be like, oh, wow, BKFC is on. Like it gets lost because... 100%.

And then it also gets lost because we're on different platforms for different level events. And I think when we figure out how to put everything in one package, I think it doesn't get lost as much. Under one umbrella. We get that. We understand that. We really do. and we think that we're doing it just us just to the fans

because they're looking everywhere for us. Like where, we know that if they catch an advertisement, they know where to, but if they don't, like, you know, if you go on ESPN, right now, you can see where's all the, where's all the UFC events at, right? You see it. You don't necessarily know with us yet, but you will in 26. The other thing, again, we're just...

Sure. I think you need to do a better job at social. Yeah. You know why? Because there's a bunch of accounts, like there's this guy Caposa that tweets everything, he watches everything and I'll see a crazy knockout and then I want to see

so then I'll go in your account and see oh let me see if like the official account there's nothing there I think there's got to be quicker with the moments we just brought someone in right now for that social is huge you got to be fat you got to beat the other dudes I want you guys to succeed

no no 100% I mean you're 100% right but we kind of know we need we just look like I said we outgrow ourselves yeah we need we have 12 positions ready to be filled right now and in two weeks they're all going to be filled amazing and that's going to really help us okay this is a big turning point it's huge for us when the new guy comes in yeah this is a big event for us this is a big event for us and and again for me you know i'm i'm very honest it underperformed a little bit because i thought it i thought no matter

what you know a beat on my chest and we're going to sell this thing out yeah but everybody said you know a lot of people said oh i'm not going to overlap but i'm not going to go to that and miss the Pierre fight. And I get it. Unfortunate things happen. But I think, again, you know, selling between 10, 11, 12,000 tickets at the Prudential Center, going directly up against a UFC pay-per-view event is pretty respectful.

Did you consider, like, earlier in the day, like just a 1 p.m. start so that there's no overlap. Yeah, but I didn't think we would do good on ticket sales. And ticket sales is a big revenue generator for it. Yeah, no, of course. And what about Friday? And plus pay-per-view, I don't think it would have done good. Was Friday? Was it available?

No good for, really, for pay-per-view, but also for the international rights. Oh, really? Why is that? Because in some place, it just hits the wrong time at a night for us. And, you know, it goes backwards in some places, forward in some places, and it just doesn't work. Wow, interesting. I didn't know that. It doesn't work on Friday.

I mean, does anyone do pay-per-views on Friday? No, but to be honest, no one really does pay-per-view anymore other than UFC. Did anyone ever do pay-per-vue on Friday? Historically, UFC was a Friday product. That was right at the beginning. Yeah, yeah, in the early days. First, like, 10 years or so. But when they started doing real views, they were on Saturday.

No. I mean, there was that, the Francis and Gano-Anthony-Joshua fight was on a Friday, not that long ago, but I don't think it did. I'm going to pay for you by, sir. Yeah, I don't think it did very well. Yeah. I think under 20? I was just, I was just 20, like, period?

20,000. Okay. I was just saying, is it, is it, I know that's not a great day, but because you want to avoid UFC, is it better, like, what's, I don't know, what's the lesser of the two evils? I think it's just, you know, I honestly don't know because like I said planning better

but we did plan it but then they came out with it usually the UFC is way in advance of announcing fights we only announced this about 11 weeks ago and they announced it about 10 weeks ago so you know

I think we're gonna find our place what is your best market right now in terms of ticket sales what has been your best like okay we I know Philly was great but Florida hard rock Yeah. I mean, anytime we do an event there, it doesn't matter who's fighting, it sells out fast. And what is a sell out at the Hard Rock?

6,800. Oh, wow. Okay. That big. Yeah. The one in Vegas is much smaller. Yeah, but that's a big one there. Have you ever done Kasea Center? The Miami? No, we're talking. We're also talking to the other place that the Panthers play. Oh, yeah. In Sunrise. Yeah. I mean, we're never leaving the Hard Rock because it's a great deal for us. But to do a bigger event, which I have a couple ideas.

is that I want to do. And I do think that we could sell it either one of those arenas in Miami. We have a huge fan base there. Is Knucklemania going to be in January this year? Or February? February. Okay. Where is that? It's coming back to Philly. Okay. And who will be on that? Not Eddie? No, I don't know yet. Okay. I honestly don't know yet. We're working on some. Is it possible? Eddie's coming back? I don't think so. You think he's done? If he comes back, I have to fight his wife. Oh gosh. Yeah, you don't want that. You don't want. What's the, what's the main event for knuckle mania we don't know yet yeah we don't i mean truly yeah i know it's a little early can

darren till get into the country like can you do he will be able to he will be able to okay okay is that the dream perry versus till knuckle mania yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like it i like it but uh what does jeremy stevens say if he hears this right now no i mean listen i freaking love it it's the biggest what you could put on said to you yeah yeah yeah i don't know no i mean jeremy stevens is not a walk over at all no like you think his value has gone down post ufc fight No, I think it's actually, I think more people are talking about him. Oh, post his UFC flight after. Because you said, you said, yeah, yeah.

In a perfect world, you wish that he didn't do that. No. He was on a roll. Yeah. But you know what? I think that kind of flew under the radar. It flew under the radar and it was a ground match. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It wasn't like he got banged. I don't actually agree. I don't think it's the same as the way people viewed Paul Perry. But I think if you can come off of three straight wins and not a loss. Yeah. A little different. No, matter how the loss is. No, I know.

Unless it's a TQ or so. I don't feel like this fight is any, like, I don't think it's smaller, any less big than if they didn't fight those fights. And I think they've done a great job. I think they've done a great job. Would you agree promoting it? These two guys. I think we built animosity between them that they didn't necessarily, they had a little bit,

but, you know, we built it up. I think we built, really, when I look on social media, it's, I thought it would be probably 80-90 to, you know, 80-20, 90-10 in favor of Perry. It's about 60-40 in favor of Perry. Okay. So, you know, a lot of people are picking Stevens to win. Once this new owner comes in, you don't want to tell us his name, right? I'm kidding.

Who are we talking? Who are we talking about signing? Ariel Hwani is the new. You imagine if I become the commissioner of BKFC? Me, you and Connor up there? Let's go. Kumbaya. Any signings on your radar?

Any names? I mean, we have a lot. I can't, any time I mention a name, another promotion talks to them. Okay, you don't want that. Okay, it's not worth it. It's not worth it. All right. It's not worth letting you break it.

Well, you know, I would argue otherwise. Give us the hard sell. Okay, we know about Perry Stevens. Perry, Steve, we have Mike Perry versus Jeremy Stevens, King of Violence. I mean, it speaks for itself. I mean, they really are. A belt that was actually created on this show, if you recall. Yep, absolutely.

Two of the baddest dudes, really, that ever fall in combat sports, as far as tough and gritty in fighters. Maybe not the most skilled in boxing or the most skilled in this, but I mean tough, gritty fighters. You talk about them, you talk about Jeremy Stevens and Mike Perry all day long. This is going to be an unbelievable fight. There's no way that this is a boring fight.

It can't be if it is. I'll give everybody their money back. Connor said he's going to sack Perry if it's on a good fight. We'll see. On the spot, he said. We'll see. Connor versus Perry is... Connor's the big boss.

Gosh, that face-to-face that they had at the presser. And then we have the queen of violence is Jessica Borga versus Christine Furia again can't be cannot be a boring fight. It's going to be unbelievably exciting. And then if everything works out again we have Jimmy Rivera versus Frankie Edgar. We know

that those two guys always come, stand in front of each other and bang it out. So the commission, go back to the commission. The commission was a little difficult on a proven fight. So we actually got about 20-something fighters turned down. Oh, wow. In the approval process, which is good meaning this is all the all the fights are unbelievably yeah yeah this is going to be an unbelievable

card i i would bet everything this is our best card we've ever had what number card is this this is 82 number yeah and then we did a lot of fight night events this is actually our 137th event okay i have breaking news what 137 events my first event in attendance on saturday there you i will be there that's going to be great what do you think of that trying to get you for a long time Did you know, you didn't want to break any news? I'm breaking news on the program. Helwani in attendance. Yeah, man, it's going to be great.

Can I put the belt around the winner's waist? Yeah. Nah, you didn't seem to do it. Well, okay, so the audience should know this. I am, we're going to be filming like a bit of a behind the scenes. Your team has been very kind to let us, and we're going to be doing these mini-docs on the channel. And this will be my first one where it's my first time at a BKC. But it's your first one.

This is our first one. This is our first time doing it. Yes, this is our first time doing it. Yes, great. yes and absolutely listen for that absolutely 100% you get to i don't want to do that i don't know it's not my place it's not you're not doing the king of violence sorry you're going to do the queen of violence oh yes and i'm only doing that because i already have this with a with a sponsor oh wow okay that's why you hesitated yeah uh who's the sponsor um it's it's can i ob bid them it's a new guy

coming okay it is it's a new no no it's not i'm there to document i'm not there to be a part of but i'm really looking forward to it i'm really looking forward to it how come every time i ask you to involved you back away from me well because I wanted to do this okay you want to know the as we're shooting here being honest you have a great guy who does the role that you're talking to me about and I don't want to come in and take Cyrus right I don't I don't want to take he is great I wasn't trying to no no no but I don't take that who am I to come in got it I want to be very respectful but I always appreciate it I appreciate that I do and Cyrus does too and

Cyrus is great he's great he does a phenomenal job for you guys he's a great ambassador for your your your company and your sport and I don't want to Walt's in there and be like, oh, I'm coming for this one show. That's not fair. But I do appreciate it. And I can't wait to be there. Awesome. And I appreciate you very much.

Congrats on all your success. Good luck. Hopefully a few tickets still available. Bro the plug. BKFC.com for tickets and the zone pay-per-view. You know, go to DeZone.com for the pay-per-view. I promise. I know people are hesitant about pay-per-views now.

This will be one of the most exciting combat sports events you have ever watched. From head to toe, it's bangers all night long. Thank you, David. Are you fasting tonight? I am. Yom Kippur? Yeah. What a guy.

You do it all. Yeah. Have an easy fast. Thank you very much for coming and appreciate it and looking forward to seeing you in the team. And maybe I could watch one of the fights with you. Could we do that on Saturday? That would be cool. Sit next to me.

Actually, Connor sits next to me, so maybe you sit in the middle of us or on one side or the other. I think it would be great. That would be great. All right. We'll take a break. BKFC. This Saturday, Newark, the Rock, Prudential Center, one of the great arenas here in the United States. Their debut in the Garden State, Perry Stevens, it sells itself.

We'll take a quick break. We'll come back. More questions. Don't go anywhere. Okay, back on the program. That was the boys in the back from last Monday with Ally Quinta did a tremendous job. Previously, we had Mr. David Feldman of BKFC. Gave me this nice little belt.

It's a nice little belt right here. I'm not going to lie. This is like, this is how I feel today. Looks great. I feel like a champion. I just walk around. Do you think I show up to the event on Saturday wearing this belt on my shoulder?

Absolutely. Yeah. I think it's a good look. Remember when the guys used to come out like that? I like that. That's the way to go. You know what? I have to say, as I was wearing it upside down,

smells like leather. It's not synthetic. It's actual, I think it's actual snake skin, guys. Snake skin. Yeah. Ooh. See that? It's nice.

Anyway, Pt, have you ever been to a BKFC event? Um, no. I don't think I have. Yeah, you guys are missing out. I'm looking forward to it. The most violent thing I've ever been at was a caged movie thigh fight. That was... When was that?

Small gloves on. And where was that? It was keen, Keowny fight. And it was, I think it was in the, the boxing arena where Connumperger made his MMA debut in Cromland. Oh, wow. And it was, it was violent as hell. It was one of the craziest, in all of the events I've ever gone to,

that one sticks out as one of the wildest atmospheres I've ever been in. Just absolute violence. And let's be honest. I don't really like to beat around the bush, but that's what we're here for. We love a bit of blood and guts. And I got plenty of it that night. I'm looking forward to seeing what it's all about.

We're going to be up close and personal. Do you think, how do you guys feel about me putting the belt? I don't think it's appropriate. it where I mean like that's not my place could you imagine if I waltz in there put the belt around the winter's waist that's not a problem I think you should definitely do it you think I should do it definitely Connor you don't seem so I don't think he'd offer it if he wasn't serious who would be doing it instead of you just just feltman okay why not why not you think I should do it you do it you do it GC if they're like here GC do you want to stick the belt in this lad

you'd be like absolutely Rick do you think I should put the belt around the winters race why are we doing this why are we pretend you you try to you try to a guilt. Let's just call this what this is. You tried to do your little act where you guilt somebody into something. Oh, can I do it? Can I do it? And guess what? He called your bluff. He said yes. And then you're like, nah, you know what? I'm just going to be a fly on the wall. I think, no, you should not do it, obviously. But it is pretty cool that he was just like, yeah, why not? That's what I dig about Feldman. I want to do the thing where, you know, like you struggle to put it on. You want to do that? Well, it seems like the guest belt. Yeah, they

never get it right person always struggles and then and then the champion the new champion or the wants to move around and they're still like struggling it's almost like a it's almost like a first pitch you should probably be rehearsing the bell you know you do it UFC then move to the velcro that was smart smart move yeah and so he just slaps it on there was once a time where he's like try let me just get these let me yeah there have been times where it's like they're struggling so much that the the fighter just grabs the belt and it's all right it's all put it over the shoulder. So you're saying yay or nay? Nay, you should not. And you were never going to because you are not there to do that. You are there to observe. Me draping the belt around Mike Perry's waist.

You don't think is a moment. Well, you're not getting the king of the queen of the original thought was Perry's waist. Okay, now that could be interesting. Could be Jeremy Stevens. First of all. Connor's going to want to do it. No. Connor Mack? Oh, I don't know. I mean, listen, I threw it out there. And I was hoping that a deal would be struck. Chuck. There's no way you would do it. No, there's no way. What about me walking out with one of the fighters? No, no, no, no, no. Can I be honest?

I actually pitched this for the dock that we're shooting. What do you mean walking? I want to know the experience. I want to know what it's like to be in someone's corner. Wait, you're in the corner? Yes. Oh, man. Problem is you're more recognizable than yeah, you're, KFC fighters.

I come in there, spit bucket, gear, and I'm just pretty like, yay, Ariel. Yeah, because, as we know, like, this has gone well with, like, Zuckerberg and David Gagins and all these guys just come out in the corner. Like, you're going to be the attraction at that point. You're also going to get the clip of them taking off their shirt and they hand it to you and you're like, uh, I'm in. No. I think that's appropriate, no? Come on.

You're just, that was a whole bear in Austin, Texas. Petey, Louis Theroux, would he do it? Yes, he would. 100%. He probably played a lad. Yes. What is that called? That's called like There's some...

Gonzo journalism. Thank you, Pizzi. You walking out alongside? Yeah, that makes sense. Gonso, journal. Yes, I walked in the corner. Hey guys. The rest Thompson invented it. He went to the Kentucky Derby and he told them that there was going to be

a Black Panthers march through the Kentucky Derby. Everyone lost their minds. He wrote an article about it in Rolling Stone and it became a legend. If I can't fight, how else am I going to experience what the cornerman faced when their guy is in there?

Do you know what, Rick is so negative about what you should do here. Do you fucking everything? Yeah. I'm going to do it all. Can I stick? I want you to sew a lot of fucking face. No, I want it to be an open wound and they just give you a thread and a needle and say, fucking go out of it, mate.

I do every bit of it. The truth is, BKFC is being very accommodating. And I pitched them on. I'm shocked. So here, can I just talk about this? Here, we've done a great job, I think, over the past year, has developed itself as the number one unbiased combat sports platform on the internet on crown.com led by the great Shaheen al-Shadir, fearless editor-in-chief.

We've got the shows, our Hawaiian show Monday through Wednesday. We've got the BITB on Thursdays tomorrow live, 1 o'clock. And then we've got the crack on Friday. We've got some watch parties for big events. We've got some post shows for big events. We have an audio wing, which there's an update coming on that. in the very near future. And the one thing that I always thought we were missing was the long form stuff, the out of the studio stuff, you know, the stuff that I kind of cut my teeth with back

in the day. Walk and talks, at events. Now, we evolve, behind the scenes, sit downs, mini documentaries, X, Y, and Z. And so we are starting this. We have added a member to the team. He hasn't officially announced it yet, so I don't want to announce it because it's his business, although it is kind of my business too but you get the point anyway and the first one is bkfc 82 we have another one coming up in october that i'll tell you about later but i'm really looking forward to this because i've been wanting to do this ever since i saw louis theroux at a wcdh event when he did the episode on pro wrestling do you ever see this one uh ptie it's amazing it's a little louis theru it's a little fight fill it's a little smashing machine it's all

these things and more. And so the premise is going to be my first time at a BKFC event. What exactly is this thing? What exactly is happening here? And we'll see, and there's no real plan. We'll see where the night takes us. But if I want to truly experience it, I'm not going to be sitting up in the 300s. I'm going to be holding the spit bucket. I'm going to be putting the belt around the queen of violence winner. Could you imagine if you guys are watching it, then all of a sudden Jedi Goodman clips out like, oh, Ariel's in the, like I don't even tell you guys. Ariel's in the the ring putting the belt around the winner's waist, that's a moment right there. Now the question is, do we want to be the moment or do we want to capture the moments?

That's a big question, you know? You can do both. You can do both. I guess it just depends on what type of journalism do you believe in. Do you believe in old school journalism? Gonzo journalism, I say, or are you just a negative Nancy like Rick and G.C. back there. About some Ariel Hawani. I feel like G.C. wasn't... What are we so negative about? You're not going to do it. Why do you say that? I just know you're not going to go put the belt around the way

We'll do it just to spite you say that because you think it's a bad idea or do you say that because you think I don't have it in me to do it. What do you mean having it in you? You're just putting a belt around someone's way. That's a big deal. It's the journalism part of it. It's not about whether or not you have it in you. It's, I just don't think you're going to do it.

But why? You said it to him. It's kind of nonsensical. Like you're putting the belt around the waist, I'm going to be like, is that how money? Put him the queen of fire. Silent's belt around her waist right now? I would die laughing if you did it. Also, if you walked out, I would also die laughing.

Oh, that's cool. Oh, here they come, and then they're just making their walk, and then you're in the background. Mean mugging, you had an outfit change. You're now wearing, like, head-to-toe BKFC gear. Yeah. Yeah, I'd love it. I just am not.

Don't you think it'll make the doc better? Yes. Yeah. I'll believe when I see it. All right, fine. Seems like a challenge. Isn't that the objective to make the most captivating doc for your account? You're going to have a fantastic

Imagine I'm in the back And they're like, all right guys Jeremy Stevens is out of the fight We need you to step in against Mike Perry Let's go Let's imagine What's the limit though? George Blimpton

I guess yeah Would you fight? The whole, no I wouldn't fight but the whole point of this I want to experience it all Doesn't want to hurt Mike Perry I want to experience it all So I want to be there when they get their checks

I want to be there when they get their medical checks Be there is one thing. You're now suggesting you are part of the moment. I'm not participating. You are participating. Putting a belt on the fighter is not participating? No, it's not. It's adding to the experience for the viewer

at home, like, what is it like being in? Maybe, maybe, you know what? I just thought of something. Maybe I'm wearing a GoPro and then you cut to my vantage point during the walkout. Harry Hunter S. Thompson. I love it. No, not this.

This is crap. Where the GoPro? Wear the 3D, the 360 camera where it makes your face look all warped. That's what you should take it with one of those meta glasses that everyone's been wearing these days. Hard to get to. They sold out. Oh, you tried to buy some pizza? Oh, you tried to get some before I came to New York and they were like, mate, this is like four-week waiting list. I love like, they're so incognito.

Every time I've seen someone wearing a pair of meta-glasses, I'm always like, are those the meta-glasses? Are you filming this right now? Do they don't put on a lawyer or something G.C., someone told me. They probably do, yeah. They do. There's a red light that comes on that people can know that you're recording. I mean, the good news is there's going to be about 7,000 cameras there that will capture all of this. So you can probably get.

Oh, and then put it in the dark? Yeah. I like the GoPro idea. We have a GoPro, Frank. I do not have a GoPro. We do have a GoPro. Oh, we do? The new laptop.

We use the GoPro for the bike challenge. Oh, that's right. That's right. Okay. New laptop. New lad's having a go-per. Can we just disconnect that? I mean, we could seriously get you a camera.

Okay. Yeah, if you're being serious, we can have a whole strap-up body cam footage. Now, do you want to wear, like, a costume? Like, what, how... Make sure not to turn off the body cam. You think it's just me and the cameraman and we're walking down. That makes more sense. Yeah.

No, I like the body cam. Yeah, me too. Then we can have the view. We can have the view when you're strapping the belt on. We can have the view of your hands. And if you fumble big time, if you can't get the strap. to go. We'll have the GoPro footage. You'll actually see this. You'll see this thing right here. Now, are you going to stay in the corner?

First of all, who are we cornering? Yes. I'm cornering Frankie Edgar, of course. So, okay. So what if he's not on the car? By the way, notable little update right there, right? Yeah. We'll find out later today. What if he's on in the car? Yeah. No, it's all right. Mike Perry will move on to a different. Am I shouting instructions? No, no. But am I sitting there, talking to the team being like, what do you see right here? That's cool. Carl Roberson?

You just shout nookalup, man, like the rest of everyone else, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's what Feldman's green. Carl Roberson's on this card? Hell yeah. From a UFC fighter?

Yeah. Shout out. Phil Carra Kappa? We may have seen him at Knucklemania. I'm not kidding. I did, didn't we? Yeah, I'm not kidding. He sure enough.

He beat Norman. Yeah, yeah. Fourth round DQ. It is a shame. By the way, it is a shame that it's head-to-head with the UFC because I feel like all of you guys would have gone. We would 1,000 a percent.

I cannot tell you the disappointment that I had when I found out that the UFC is the same night. Oh, my. You're going to have such a blast. You're going to have such a good time. The pacing is just... By the way, that's the other thing. Four hours. There's no event on the planet these days in combat sports.

That's four hours. It is a great show, truly. Man, few of the guys that we saw on Knuckle Mania are on this card. Really? Yeah, Patty Sullivan. Oh, well, who's like, Patty? Local boys. He's doing a lot of...

Like Trisano on this car. Shrizzano's on there? Yeah, man. Legend. I'm curious about this new owner. Let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. By the way, can we just talk about Mark Kerr for a second?

I mean, is this not the best guy in the world? Legend. He's just so... What happened? I thought we weren't swearing anymore, Frank. Frank, I want you to get rid of all the drops that have swear words in them. Duly noted. What's the leaf that we're turning here?

No, we can't lose the... I don't want to... I don't want to lose the, uh... What the... I don't want to lose the who gives the flying F about a carl. I love the... We're done cursing and we've cursed. The four times that I can count today.

Listen, I'm trying to... Well, we can't lose who the F is we. This is a detox. This is a detox. I'm detoxing right now, okay? It doesn't happen in one fell swoop. Take some time. Would it help voice stop cursing as well?

Everyone just... No, no, you can't. That's fucking... I don't... Oh, geez. I forgot that one had a curse. is this, by the way. This is David Johnson.

January, I don't think I can't stop Gerson. All right. Anyway, Mark Kerr, fantastic. David Feldman, BKFC 82. Do we have any super chats? We sure do. I, for one, am loving this new grumpy aerial. Oh, thanks, lazy bed.

I thought that was legendary at the start, to be honest. I had a great time with that, too. I don't know. He's back. He's back. Oh, no, nothing there. Okay, thanks. What else?

Jesus. You're killing me. G.C. should challenge Ariel to the bike challenge, and Ariel should challenge the crew to a free throw three point challenge. Loser buys catering for the crew. I would lose both of these competitions. Yeah, I'd end up sweeping. You think you win both?

Yeah. You're good of free throws? Oh, very good. The only thing I'm good at in basketball is shooting. Defense as well. Underhanded ones like this? No, hell not. No.

I mean, crispy for him. I look like Steph when I'm out there. Really? Oh, the swan afterward? It's weird. Have we ever seen you play basketball? No, I don't think so. Yeah.

Weird. What have we, we've seen you against six-year-olds? Listen. And how wet was the jumper? Some of them were pushing seven. How wet was the jumper? I'm not kidding, the jumper is. How wet was it?

What? I used to have a pair I'm talking about my own. What is that word? I used to have a pair of red and yellow Nike's that wear up to the rec center. I'd just start spraying threes. He would be like, what high school would you play for? I was like, I'm McDonald's All-American. They gave me these shoes. You and Kevin Herder. Shout out to Kevin

Harder, bro. Legend. What else, Frank? What else? Happy early birth dates in my boyfriend, Ringo. Ariel, New York, Rick, G.C. Pizzie, Frank, on-air Jordan, director, Andy. Give him a shout-out, please. I can't be with him. Without... Randy, Andy?

I can't be with him tomorrow. And he loves you... I don't understand. Ringo, she can't be with him tomorrow. Okay, first of all... Oh, can't be with him. She's lamenting this. I get it in.

First of all, Gianna goes out of her way to give us $11.99 euros to say this. And you guys are mocking her for... You mocked her. Her writing, Director Andy, not Director Andy. It's pretty damn close. I'm not mad, girl.

Yeah. Thank you. It's very thoughtful. It's very... nice. Shout out to Gianna and shout out to Ringo. Tomorrow's his birthday. Now, typically, I just wanted to let you know, Gianna, for birthday shoutouts over on the cameo, they are typically $100. But, you know, for this, for this, taxing. Diehard fan of ours. I thought by the way that's, shout out to director. Happy birthday, Ringo. I thought that that's who she was shouting

out. How do we know it's not? I am not signing anything if it's supposed to. Mark, October 27th. Peace in love, peace and love. The great Ringo Star. The worst part is if she had said that verbally and she said director Randy, we could have been like, no, it's Andy, she could have played it off me and like, that's what I said. But because it was

director space, capital, R. Randy. Now, what are the chances Gianna actually knows the characters on the show, or if she just maybe looked it up via AI, chat GPT, and that's what it's I don't think I'd be included in the AI version. Or did she ask her boyfriend,

Ringo who the characters are on the show and she was like director andy yeah yeah that's you know what that's probably what happened this reminds me the other day when we were finished with the smashing machine Connor goes I really thought this film was going to be about a marker ah yeah

don't get it no it was much better it was a better delivery in the time the delivery was on point the timing was on point it was marker he said the I thought this guy's name was marker yeah yeah yeah yeah it was It was much better.

It was better at the moment. Have you guys watched the dock again? No, I got a little busy last night. Geez, geez. Are you guys going to the pop-up tomorrow? Yes. Notica sweatshirt being purchased? Fuck, yes.

If they have. Wow. That's going to be gone. I'm kind of, uh, I'm kind of fancy towards the Mark Coleman shirt. Coleman's, yeah, Colman's dress. I want that Nautica. Yeah. That's got to get it.

Bright-ass yellow. Rick's going to rock that on our next work trip in the airport. Bright-ass, Nanica yellow sweater. orange shirts. Super long basketball shorts and socks pulled up to his thighs. That is accurate. 100% accurate.

You know what I have to say, speaking of which, I used to wear my socks pulled up all the way to my knees because of the... It's true. No, when I would play basketball. Because of Lawrence Moten,

former Syracuse basketball star then was drafted by the Vancouver Grizzlies who I found out yesterday passed away. I was very sad to hear that. So rest and peace to the great Lord. Lawrence Moden. What else, Frank? What else? Yeah.

Regarding the Benny interview, have you ever wanted to reach out and befriend a guest after such a great chemistry slash things in common, especially in my area? P.S. You made me a Bill's fan from Saskatchewan, Canada. I think it's NY area. I am reading at a

very steep angle here, I will admit. You know why? It's because your computer screen is this big. No, I'm reading on... It's literally the small... Okay. Shout to Saskatchewan. on. Shout out to the Rough Riders. Shout to the Bills, of course. Big game this Sunday night. Shout out to Benny Safti. Man, I love that. I mean, Benny and Mark were incredible. I wish we had an hour with Benny because there was so much more that I wanted to ask him.

Just about the making of the film, the details. Like, those details blew me away. Like, even that picture of him in the locker room. It's just so cool. And then, and then, did you guys hear, like, the way in which they shot the arguments? and they hit all the cameras and the way in which they shot the fight scenes and none of the cameras were in the ring, this is brilliant stuff. What a guy. I love the passion that he has for his job, whatever it is. I don't care what you do in life. If you have that kind of passion, to me, you are a special human being. So yeah, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that a lot. Am I, am I interested in reaching out and befriending him? I mean, I think that might be a little bit

weird, no? Hey, like, what's, is there anything worse than having a good interview with someone and then the person reaches out to you and it's like, hey, you want to get a cup of coffee or something sometime? I don't know. Maybe he'd say yes. What's a weirder request? That or asking to put the belt around someone's waist? Ah, the belt. Yeah. I guess anyone who has a great interview isn't going to ask for the cup of coffee. Well, no, like, he came on my show and then I'm asking him to go, it's one thing if he asks me, I think it's weird if I ask him. Yeah, it is, yeah. This kind of sounds like when you'd get a girl's phone number

and you, like, debated whether or not you should text her or call her within two days, three days, four days, one day, 24 hours. I was always bad at that. Never got one. Yeah. That's why I need to end there. What else? We're using grinder.

What else, Frank? What else? Which Celsius flavor should I try for the first time? Oh, well, this is a good one right here. We've got, what do we got? Oh, sparkling cherry cola? I'm more of a fantasy vibe guy myself Yeah, you know yourself

And this one is the Kiwi strawberry I'm partial to that one myself The cherry cola is actually fire Chicken the China The Chinese chicken Kiwi strawberry Chinese chicken

The one in front of the Wheaties No there is a chicka cherry cola Yes He's a Chinese chicken chicken. Yeah, I said Chericol and he's like, I think I'm going to go for that one.

Do you know why? Do you know I said that? No. It's from the song. That's a song. Chicken, the China, the Chinese chicken. Yes, I know.

And so when he said, I was thinking really of the chicken cherry cola. Come stand a little bit closer. I know both songs. That's why I was wondering why you went with the Chinese chicken one. This day has finished it.

This is the most. unhinged question and answer. You know why? Because we've got the unhinged Yankee fan in our studio today. That's right. A big bag. I just took a straight. Wait, is he even in here? He left. He left. What's Connor and Joe? He left.

Yeah, he's back. No, no. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. You know, it was the worst. Can I tell you about the worst? As we're just letting our hair down, the worst part of the day is everyone like, big day today. Brother. I got off the elevator and everyone is coming up to me like, like, man huge day today

this is going to be a big one coming up fist pounds quiet you tell me the kids are excited I'm just like guys we'll see we'll see it's all good yeah

yeah in the end it was still a big day it was still a big day yeah what else Frank what else don't minimize please put the belt

on the fighter oh wow okay thank you who's that Hirashi MMA Anashi shanashi shout out shout out

what else what else my first BKFC car on Saturday. Hope to see you there. Hope to see you too. Who was that? Who was that? Brandon. Oh, Brandon, our guy. Yeah, our guy. I've seen Brandon before. I've met him before. Well, we hope to see you again. Yes, yes, yes. I hope to see everyone there.

Now, it might be busy. I might be in someone's corner. I might be putting Vaseline. I might be in the pack. I might be fighting by the end. I might be giving the speech. Come on, guys. Do you want to be an FN? You have to wait until you become the lead investor for BKFC before you imagine that. And then you can give them the pump up. I could be a ring card boy. I mean, there's incredible amount of them. That is the one I actually think you should do.

They would love that at a BKFC event, I think. I think they would. I think you're right. What else, Frank? What else? Seen the trailer for the Expos doc on Netflix? Yes, I actually have. And I don't know if I mentioned this before,

but they did reach out to me to be in the dock. Okay, let me take a step back. A few months ago, At this point, yeah, maybe six, seven. I think it was in April. They reached out to me and told me that they were making this doc. And they kind of pre-interviewed me. And, you know, the title of the doc is, who killed the Montreal Expos?

And so they were interviewing me. And, you know, when the Expos left, I was 22. When, you know, when they were in the 90s and best team in baseball, 94, I was 12. So they're asking me a lot of the questions about, you know, the ownership and the financial problems and all this stuff and I answered them but I also told them I didn't cover the team I was just a super fan I was just a guy who loved the team but you asked me about Claude Brochou and David Samson and Jeffrey Loria and all these people and like I I I it's not like me talking about the UFC today so yeah I think me saying I didn't want to come across as a fraud

sitting there talking about a team that I didn't cover now if you want to ask me about why the team was so special and what it felt like being a fan and having the the the the player sold off and traded away for nothing and then getting our hopes up and then the strike in 94 and the World Series getting canceled. Yeah, of course I could talk about all that, but some of the, they wanted a lot of like businessy type insight and I, I didn't, I wasn't in those scrums. I wasn't in those meetings. I didn't interview those particulars. So in the end, didn't make the cut, but I'm totally fine with that. And I'm looking forward to seeing it. And it's kind of surreal to see the expos on Netflix. And I'm actually kind of

surprised that Netflix wanted to put on an Expos documentary and produce it. So let's see. Let's see what the conclusion is because the name of the doc is Who Killed the Montreal Expo's? But you know what? I don't even know if there is a singular person. I really don't. Like I definitely think that the local Montreal business community didn't do their part. I definitely think, you know, Loria coming in didn't help. I don't think Major League Baseball helped. There's a lot. The stadium in the 70s being built in the middle of nowhere didn't help. There's a lot of factors involved. I don't think it's one singular person who's at fault.

But I'm looking forward to it. So yes, I did see it. Also, the other thing that I noticed, there's a lot of dubbing. There's a lot of, it seems like a lot of the interviews are done in French, and it seems like there's, is that the word? Yeah, dubbing, yeah. And I wonder if it's a French doc with English dubbing, or is it an English doc, and they just talk to some people who don't speak English,

and so they dub the, I don't know, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. It comes out, I think, October 21st or 7th or something like that. Watch party? Sure, sure, sure. Let me know. Let me know if you guys enjoy it. Thanks. Oh, you meant like watch party with me.

Yeah, I did. I'm reading the room here. We did one on Monday. Yeah, you enjoyed it. We're good for the year. I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it. What else, Frank? What else?

Slito says, will we still get an aerial list three-pac post-fight show? Will we still get an aerial? Areol-less? Aerial-less? Like, you're not included. he's Miss Moon. Yeah, my plan is to still do the post show on Saturday as well. I think it's just going to be PT and I.

Chuck is actually going to be there, but I think he's going to call in PT. Yeah, he was telling me today. Too big time now, you know what I mean? No, this is the yearly Vegas trip. I mean, one year it's Dumont Ladd, and the other year it's Perere-uncle-I-F-2. I love that he has this thing, though.

I don't have anything like that in my life. No, neither do you. No, I have no friends. But yes, there will be a post-show. and a watch party on Saturday. What else, Frank? What else? I'm on Friday.

Sorry, did I say Friday? I'm just saying. Oh, yes. And PFL, yes. PFL, yes. PFL post show on Friday after Hughes, Nirmagamatov 2. Or should I say Nirmagamatov Hughes 2? Yes, that'll be Pt and I on Friday around 5 Eastern, 10 in Ireland, yeah, 5.30. That's what I think.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pt and I. So lots to come, lots to come. What else, Frank? What else? And lastly, I did my own amateur version of behind the scenes at Knuckle Media 5 and ran into the boys in the back at Shays, where the owner threatened to see you at the rock. Okay. Oh, yeah, shout out to Shady, our guy.

Shout out Shady. Yeah. We love Shady. Or is it Shady. I think it's Shady. I read it as Shady because it says Shady. Hey, the English language is hard to read. We can all agree.

It's absolutely how you spell Shady just for the record. I like that, Frank. Frank's covering. He's doing great work. He's doing great. inability to read. Big MMA memorabilia guy as well. Yeah.

Yeah, we don't have the pigs ready right now, but he sent me that he has the full octagon tarps from both a UFC event and a PFL event. Wow. puts them out for watch parties. Serious? That's serious. Where do you get that?

You buy it. People. Frankie, I'm actually looking at the super jets here. There seems to be quite a few more. This is from Bushy Browse. Ariel, you buy your bill's rivalry jersey yet? Actually, if you must know Bushy Brows, the bills actually sent me one. The rivalry jersey is the snow, all-white, frosty one.

They'll be wearing it this weekend against Patriots. I've seen some negative nancy's online say, why would they wear like a snow-themed jersey in October? It's still pretty warm outside, not in December. Could you imagine if they wore an all-white snow-themed jersey in December or January in Buffalo, and it's snowing? You wouldn't be able to see anyone. They'd be camouflaged.

Is this the only time they're wearing them this year? Yeah, just one and done. I think everyone has like a rivalry. Yeah. Wow. Patriots Sunday Night Football. And then actually I see 24-inch Dubs who's the ultimate hater

saying Patriots will beat the bills on Sunday, lock it in. You got to go Sunday night football Patriots. And then you've got to go to Atlanta next week. Yeah, I know. Monday Night Football. I'm nervous about the bills. I'm not going to lie.

I still think we're winning the Super Bowl, but like 4-0, there have been some some dicey, dicey moments. The NFL's Dawn. Is that what you're saying, potentially? This is a trap game right here. Patriots aren't that bad.

Sunday night football. Everyone is up for playing the bills. Look at how the Saints played last week. Sunday night football, Drake May, this is a trap game. Falcons will kill. I mean, let's talk.

But this is... My falcons of good offense. No, I know. They all make me nervous. They all make me nervous. I thought we were going to lose to the Jets. But I'm just a negative Nazi, too. Wins or wins?

Wins or wins? By the way, in a million years, who would have predicted Ravens' three losses? Four weeks into the season? Like, the fact that we're three games up on the Ravens and two on the Chiefs and one on the Chargers is nuts. Nuts. Shout out Matt Torres. Welcome to the Hualanabees. Jose Valencia, if Alex beats...

onk, Alex versus Jones light heavyweight title at White House. Let's be honest. John Jones is just fat at heavyweight or Alex versus Jones at heavyweight for BMF and whoever wins fights Tom. Let me just process that. Alex beat Unk. Saying if Alex wins. Yeah, Alex versus Jones. Fight John Jones at light heavyweight because he's fat and not actually a heavyweight or just fight him at heavyweight. Yeah, I'm down. He's just basically saying Jones versus or the heavyweight BMF. Oh, stop it with that. Like percentage of actually happening. Zero, but fair play. Yeah, no, it's not bad.

Message. You think zero? Headlines, White House? Yeah. I don't think zero. But then he's saying whoever wins that fights time. If you call John Jones up, I think Alex is a reasonable opponent for him to fight if he actually would come back.

Yeah, but the UFC aren't going to let him fight Pereira if he's after, you know, wrecking the buzz with the vassimal fight. Like, they aren't just going to let him not do that. They don't want guaranteed it. See, this is where you lose me, because his word doesn't mean much of anything based on the percentages. But, yeah, I don't know. I don't think it's zero. If they get in a bind and all of a sudden the Connor Chandler thing doesn't look good, you call John Jones?

You could do worse than Alex Pereira as an opponent. So Jones is not only going to fight Alex Barrera. He is then going to point Tom Aspinall. He's back, baby. No, I don't know about the Tom part. I'm talking about the Alex part. Yeah, it's going to happen. I don't know.

It doesn't feel impossible. That's not happening. The last super chat is from Nini. Who is Blake Avignon? Is he legit insider or not? I don't know. I've seen some of his stuff. Seems to be well versed in the business side of things.

This might be him sending it in. He's going to clip it off and say, hey, look, look, I got mentioned. But honestly, fair play, don't know. But we welcome one and all. Also, is that his real name? Well, yeah, that's the part. He uses the guy Is an actor

Is an an anon as his profile picture No it's an actor He uses the guy from billions What's his name? Yeah I mean it's not him How do you know? Because it's a famous actor Billions

What if the famous actor is the one Is Blake Axe Avenue Bobby Axelrod Damien Lewis's character on billions He uses that guy's picture So that's the part that gives me pause But you know I interact with them from time to time

Oh, your boys? Yeah, I mean, you know, we go off for lunch and all that stuff. Damn. His faces, his faces blurred out. No, I don't know. He DMs me from time to time. Insider stuff? He sent me an article he did about, um...

Is he a real insider? AEW? I don't know. That's the thing. I don't know. To your point, I don't know. You don't ask him about his sources. What, like, who's your source?

Yeah. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Man, shut out, boy, Gavin. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out crazy. Is that his real name? Who knows?

Is that what? Shout out crazy, man. Everyone. All the Twitter people get them off today. So is Crazy Kev like a Blake? Is that who Crazy Kev is? I don't know anything about the crazy Kev guy. I don't know.

I don't know a ton either. I mean, he shows up on the feet every once in a while. Does he also have a fake picture? No, no, no. He's got a real picture. Okay. He's a hot topic of discussion on M. I thought that was going to elsewhere.

Someone's talking about him. A couple more questions from the substack. Just had a look at the weekend's card. Did anyone else know that patchy mix is fighting or am I the only one? Sure did. That's kind of, by the way, I did know that. that it is insane that no one seems to be talking about this. KSW.

Boy in a Polish debutant, yeah. Yeah, but do you not agree? No one's talking about this compared to his debut? Of course not. He lost all his buzz from that debut. Like all of it. Every ounce of it. Even if you lose as bad as he did, sometimes you say, okay, you come back, like, I'm curious about the comeback.

I'm curious about the bounce back. There is no curiosity. No. Was it that bad? Dude, it's pretty bad, man. It was probably the most underwhelming debut. Just who came in being like, I am the best bantam waiting a war. world. Yeah, it's true.

He's not. A little champers champ, KSW, Bellator. No, I dig it. I fucks. I fucks. That I could say it. That I could say that's FU.A. No, no, no, no, no. That's a disgrace. MMAL, one more from me. Can you text Dana White

the following and see if he fixes things or it fixes things? Hello, Dana. Wait one second, let me write this down. Hello, Dana. Congrats on Zufa. Life is too short and we had some good times. say sometimes people make mistakes, and we are both guilty of that. I'd love to clear the air. What do you think? Then if you get nothing, then whatever, he's a weirdo.

Perfect. This guy solved it. Congrats on Zufa. What a line. Figured it all out. I think the best line is, then if you get nothing, then whatever, he's a weirdo. Yeah. All right. Should I do it? For sure. I mean, should I do it right now? Do it right now. Who knew that all it would take is that? Make sure you don't put in the, or whatever, weirdo par. Just don't put that in.

Question for the chat. Should I do it right now? Don't put the little quotes around it and then put that on a fighter's account as if they were supposed to post this. And then you put the little quote marks and making it obvious that you copy and pasted it from your manager. Do not do that one. Just copy the message within. But the, oh, I love when that happens. The problem is I think we're like two or so seconds delayed here.

So we have to wait for the chat to weigh in. Got it. Put it on the poll, Guillermo. Okay, I'll come back to this. A couple more here. Man, we started with like 16 in the first two minutes. Yeah, now we're... Oh, what's this? What's this?

What do we got here? Oh, wow. I mean, you want to share it? Or was that just for the group? Yeah, I mean, I was throwing it in there. I thought we could maybe try and grab it, you know, put it up itself. Oh, it's not ready. No.

Okay. Well, maybe we could get it. This is from Stephen Lansy, our friend. Did G.C. sign an NDA with the screwy apartment. Did we win a massive settlement? Where's the update? Yeah, NDA has been signed. We came out on top.

That's all you need to know. No longer reside there. And, yeah, that's it. That's it. It was tough times. You moved on. We moved on, yeah. Bigger and better things.

It's tough. Hey, Ariel, a long-time listener, first-time question. Love everything the whole team is doing on the new platform. I live in the D.C. area, so I'm hoping to make it out to some of the White House card events. I wonder, what are you hearing about whether D.C. is paying a site fee for the event? And if so, is it bigger or less than usual? You think the White House is paying a side fee for this? I'm going to guess not.

What do you guys think? I think this is an atypical event because they're not really selling tickets and things of that. They're definitely not paying a site fee. Yeah. I would think, if anything, the UFC would be paying them. Paying them. Yeah. Grant asks, are you surprised at how seldom your interviewees ask you questions?

Even if it's them asking who you think they should fight next or your take on a broader MMA question you first asked them, I get you're the interviewer, but still surprised me how few guests ask you questions. Alex Hernandez asked you what you thought about the UFC's lack of promotion last week after you asked him, which brought this to mine and created a great conversation. Thanks, made, keep up the awesome work. No, they're kind of in the mode of being asked. I'm not surprised.

But it's, you know, I don't mind it. But if you notice, when a guest asks me a question, I try to quickly throw it back to them. I'm not, a big pep peeve of mine is when a interviewer makes it about themselves. When they start opining and waxing poetic on this, that, and the other, like, I don't want to hear your opinion. I want to hear your guest opinion. And I hear a lot of this when I have guests on that I try to like research and listen

to some of their recent interviews or old interviews and I'm like, man, so many people do this. It's very annoying. Just a couple more here, if I may. You can only pick one single word phrase Dustin's war or Alex's Shama. I feel like people love Shama. Shama.

I don't think there's a lot of verbal war either. It's not like that's like a catchphrase. It's just written on the hat, but Shama's eternal. Samuel is Conno. out to lunch asking for a hundred million. Here's the thing. He deserves a hundred million

because of how big of a star he is, but the UFC's not going to give him a hundred million. But he's not negotiating with the U.S. Right, that's a good point. He's negotiating with the President of the United States and his cabinet. And he's asking for more than just a hundred million. Right, plus the visas, right?

Yeah, 100 million visas. Exactly. Slava asks, conspiracy theory, while the Craig Jones and Gable's steveson fight fell out for legitimate reasons, Gable being hesitant to tell you he was asked to throw the match as a bigger work. Craig Jones is a master promoter, and I could see him orchestrating this so we could talk about

it more, and if the match ever occurs, there's a bigger storyline. Thoughts? I see what you're saying, but I don't, I don't think that's the case. Jesse Orozco says, how do we get Luke Thomas on the beat? I saw a lot of people asking for Luke. I mean, look, we did one. The beat is not going to be a regular thing for now. You know, we have members of the team, Ben, Petsy, Chuck.

Luke obviously was a huge part of the show, as was Jeff Wagenheim, by the way. He was on every episode, too. So shout out to Jeff. But no, I love doing the show with those guys. But, you know, I wanted to give opportunity and love to the guys who are on the actual team here. And who knows? Who knows? I'm not against it.

I did see a lot of people saying Brian Campbell as well. And if I'm being 100% honest, I don't think I ever hosted a single episode of the beat when Campbell was on. He was not part of the Halwani beat era, which was like for eight, nine years. There was that one year post me leaving to ESPN where, you know, they essentially allowed any Johnny come lately through those doors. Just kidding, just kidding, relax. And he might have been on those, but you can't put him and Luke in the same conversation. Luke was a fixture on the show.

Like he literally came every week, as did Wagenheim. From Wagonheim from Connecticut, Luke from D.C., Chuck from Connecticut, too. Wait, was Wagonheim in Connecticut? Yeah, I think he was. I don't remember Rick came on a couple times Ramundi came on a couple times Skylar Aston came on once

Oh yeah, shout out Skylar Remember? As a celebrity panelist I think that might be it Nah, there was a few others But it was a hand phone There was a set four There was a regular crew

Yeah Patrick McRate asks if there's an update on Sean Brady's next fight I feel like he was in such a high spot after the Leon win and now has lost some of it, not to mention the blatant ducking of G.C. I hope we get Brady versus Gary.

But no word. I think we'll find out very soon. By the way, I think there's an interesting thing going on where a lot of people are probably trying to wait for the new era. I'm not suggesting it's happening here. But if I'm a champion and they ask me to fight in December, I'd rather fight in January. than December. I'd rather fight on one of the big cards that's going to get

hella promoted, as they say, as opposed to the end of the ESPN era. By the way, Dana White said that he was going to make an announcement. Has he done that yet? Not yet. We'll get it at 1047 tonight. Yeah, yeah. I'll be... Instagram Live. I'll be atoning for my sense. So that's... It's... 240P video. It's his... From the airplane. It's his regular boys in the back slot. You know, does the night, Wednesday night, and then we get the Thursday morning reaction. I hope they start getting creative with it. Like, I saw a one night.

college football account did all their social for one game day from a ring camera. I hope they started doing that with Dana. That was brilliant. I saw that. Wait, they did it from a ring? Yeah. From a ring camera? Like all their social did that day was from a ring. Brilliant. Dana should do the fight announcements from a ring one time.

Or maybe like a PSP. Patrick's asking you to blind rank these Atlanta rappers. GZ. Oh, four. Ludacris. Three. T.I.

Two. Okay, so we have 234 populated right now. Yeah, I don't know where he's going to go for the last two. Andre 3000. Oh, well, it's got to be one. But is he solo, is he one?

Or is it outcast? Together makes it one. I mean, if they throw John Lennon, you're going to give him the Beatles by catalog, aren't you? Five. Jesus. Future. One, perfect.

Okay. Future is my one. What an interesting crew, a lot of early 2000s, and then just throwing future in there. No Gucci Man? Yeah, no Gucci Man. Abay, happy Rosh Hashanah Ariel, got some sick, quick-fire questions for you, the boys in the back, and crack. If Usman and Ragamato beats Paul Hughes, Usman v. Ilya is the fight to make it lightweight. Hmm.

No. Well, has to happen there, though. No. White House card, which fights bigger? Kayla versus Nunez, Kayla versus Ronda. Kayla Ronda. Bigger, Kayla Ramba. Yeah, there's a history there.

But there's a history but Ronda's name alone is bigger than both of them. Just saying this for now, something's happening with Ronda. I'm just, I'm just, that's all I got. There's something.

There's something happening. Should you hit you up? The wave of hand. If Pereira wins, should he fight for the heavyweight title? I think he probably goes the heavyweight. Nah, I want to see him

versus Ulberg. I want to, like, there's enough. You do? Yes. Oberg versus Pereira, you're not into that? I'm into it only from the perspective that I'd like to see Oberg get a shot, but like what is Alex got left at,

like, I want to see him take a shot at heavyweight. We're just delaying that. But only for the title. Like, I don't want to see Pereira Volkov. Why not? Perreira Volkov. What's the difference between Pereira Volkov and Pereira Oberg? I'm asking you.

It's the same thing. Give her. The difference is he can... You've got a belt on the line. Yes, he can start working toward getting a heavyweight title shot. That's the difference. Put him right in. Put him right in.

Sure, I'm down for that too. Tom versus Alex, hell, yeah. I like that. I want to see... If Alex wins, I want to see him either versus Elberg or if Roundtree has a great win, I wouldn't mind that rematch. If prayer loses...

You don't? I don't think it'll live up to as good as the first one else. It's possible. If prayer loses and goes up, is he's still next in line? Does name value slash resume leapfrog Jelton and Volkov. Hell yes, it does.

Okay, but if he loses, I'm down for him versus Volkov. Wait, what is this? This makes no sense. The Orel will take a hit. We need to get a W. We'll go against Volkov. If Alex wins or loses,

he should go to heavyweight. There is not anything left at light heavyweight. Yo, great one here. Should UFC offer Jones the White House card? But only offer 15 million. How badly do you want this, Johnny? Here's my feeling on this. They will only offer him the White House card if they're desperate, right?

It seems like everything is pointing toward Connor McGregor, right? The all attention is Connor McGregor, White House card. They will be in a scenario where they need John Jones because if you don't have Connor McGregor, there really isn't a great number two option to headline that card that's going to feel equivalent outside of John Jones. So if they get desperate, I feel like he's going to have a little bit of leverage on him. And I think he's the next call. If it's not Connor, who gets the call?

John John It's got to be John What about Ilya It's not bigger John's name carries so much more weight Than I can I just say something The UFC at the White House

on CBS I think we're all overthinking this I think this is For the casual person Part of no Do we not Remember UFC 300 Like we were all breaking our heads

About UFC 300 ended up being Perev versus Jamal Hill So you think we are Going to get the verse Like I think it's going to be It's going to be viewed as who's available, as we've always said. Where do we slot them in?

What's the next show? It's not going to be... Listen. I don't think the White House and Trump are going to accept Uncley versus... Yeah. I don't know, man. That feels like a not acceptable outcome. He also says M&M's slash minstrels plus popcorn is a game changer.

Gamar Khatimatova and much love your boy, Abbey. What are minstrels? I was just wondering. Galaxy chocolate, like a hard shell, and then they got soft chocolate in the middle. Oh, yeah. Fantastic by themselves. I don't like this fucking, let's mix it with popcorn bullshit. Oh, come on, man.

A little salty, little sweet. I'm down. Two more. Muscle shark, hypothetically speaking, say you and ODW mend the fence and become cool again. Would that change the way you cover the UFC? Would you stay away from the more sensitive stuff that Dana wouldn't like to avoid burning that bridge again? I'm all for peace and love, but we love raw and unfiltered,

how one he always well there i say uh the latter is what got us into this right right right oh mr mystery balls asks what happened to patrice evra is he going to get rebooked good question pizzi any uh what happened to that one that just disappeared off the face of the earth i haven't thought about that since the fight got canceled until just now Yeah, they should put him. Wasn't there a talk about putting him on the Dubai card because he's big over there. He lives in UAE.

I think. Yeah, I had heard that. Everywhere, it's Patrice Ever. Patrice Evra, Artham Loboff. By the way, what the hell ever happened? Too early, too early for the Lobov cracks. Where hard's broken here. That's a good point.

What happened to Cedric Dubei? Is he ever fighting again or what? That's a good question. I know Patrice Ever is a bigger name, but like, you know, Cedric Dumbay should probably fight at some point. Pretty good of fighting that Dubeby. He was on a fighting. freaking rocket ship there for a second.

Where is he? Yeah, where is he? I think he's actually doing like some meeting greet type thing. He is. That's great. When's he fighting? Yeah.

I'm sure Floyd fans to be delighted to hear that. Yeah. I just want to say, you're not flying out for that? The meet and greet? No. I want to say to the substack crew,

actually, there's a lot of good questions here. You just, you know, you caught me in a bit of a tough spot. So I apologize if you felt like I was mocking. I didn't meet. Boy, what happened?

I was, I love the four hours later Miaculpa. I know your question is right. I'm like, we don't have a lot of time because I have to get back home, you know, the fascinating. The person that asked question number eight and you shit all over it, turned it off four hours ago. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

They have no idea that you did this. I'm so excited about these vending. I'm sorry. Just clip this part off and. Actually, I really feel bad about the Pokemon one. Have you guys? I have you guys seen a really thoughtful one? Have you guys seen the Pokemon vendy?

machine. Yeah, I've seen him at the mall. Oh, I actually haven't seen him. I seen him at the mall. Okay, good one to end on. Can we get PT to talk about how he got into being a journalist and how he got started? Where did Ariel meet him? Start off being a journalist because I did a degree in English and then I said, I'm going to do a master's in journalism. And then I started covering sport in a local paper. Actually, interned at a national paper doing just news. Then I went to the sports desk. I was covering Premier League, Gaelic football. rugby and my brother had begun training um he started to go to spiggy he was like do you want to come to a fight love to go to a fight and my first fight now patty hoolin i believe it was a headline

that i met connor mcgregor at that fight i met chris fields i met colpendred i met neil syri i met john cavana and from there that was probably 2010 and from there i kind of went on the journey with them um i met ariel for the first time in dublin in two thousand And I went up and asked him for a picture. And then they had us in a room to interview McGregor. I was working for the Irish Mirror. I interviewed him for them. And then he went across to Ariel and Esther for his one-on-one for MMI fighting.

But that's the first time I met him. And we got on famously. And we remained in touch ever since. And the first time I appeared on any Ariel Hawani content was not after the Dublin event. Because, of course, I was shunned for the MacLyfus. John Balf. Oh, yes. You were very upset about that.

That's right. Very fucking upset about it. But then in January, when we went to Boston for McGregor v. Siver, that is when I first start blessing your screens on Ariel's shows. Yes. And since then, it has been smooth sailing. Never an argument. No.

Never had an argument with Ariel. Never. Never. The best one was at like 6.30 in the morning one time yelling at each other from, uh, you know the top of our lungs remember that yeah well it's been a cool little down yeah is that when he left the box the box oh the box in the studio yeah no let's not rehash you know it's better to this guy we're just gonna look on we're gonna look forward we're gonna move on yeah yeah yeah let's all tone for us oh hang on no no no no no no you don't have an agin with your friends you're not

fucking shit uh who's on the bitb tomorrow who do we have in studio nobody Just me and G. Likely UFC 320 preview Unless Dana White announces Reaction to Dana White's massive announcement Tonight at 1047 BME Eastern Voice mails Can I offer a suggestion

4 and 5 sub BITB Can I offer a suggestion for the pound for pound Unless you guys have one already We had an idea but we're open Okay Top five foods to break your fast with Jump Qipu That didn't make the card

inspired, top five sins you've atoned for? Jordan actually did suggest that one. Okay, I mean... It was just sins because I don't atone, but... It is an actual, like, pretty big holiday. It would be nice if there's some kind of acknowledgement, that's all. We are taking it into an advisement, and it is not happening. The pound-for-pound is going to be documented.

H-Y-K? Top H-Y-K. Happy y'am. No, it's not a happy time. top five peaceful Colnidre No

peaceful Yom Kippoor You'd be happy for the Atonement What you want to say is I hope you have an easy and meaningful fast I hope you have an easy and meaningful fast

You'd be pleased A lot of like Orthodox Jewish people out During Rosh Hashanah And they kept coming up to me Asking me if I was Jewish And I was like I'm not but

Happy New Year They were like Oh thanks so much Shatatova. Shatoba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, I hope you guys enjoy all the food that you'll be eating. I will be a Tony for all of us because Lord knows. Hang on, you're going to be doing these shows foil fasting. No, no, no, it's just 25 hours. Okay, thank God. 25 instead of 24. 25, yeah. Because you have, it's like, it's like a plus, it's like a plus minus one. You have to make sure that you get it. Minus. What about that? Minus. Well, I guess there's no minus. There's no minus. There's no minus. There's no minus. Don't minus. I'd be on the morning. lunch tomorrow in you? No, not for me. Not for me.

But it is supposed to, once you become a barmets for 13, you're supposed to fast. So this is technically my son's first time attempting to fast. Wow. It's not going to go well. It's not going to go well. What do you mean? No, no, don't, yeah, don't, don't self-defeat. I actually, 13 came very fast.

What we should have done was 11, you go like half day, 12. You start weaning into the sauna. Yeah, we didn't do it. Sonia. No, I said, Sana, we're going to get you on the scale afterward? Um, I'll let you guys know, yeah. I'll do a public way in afterwards. Sparring footage?

Wait, so where would that put us timewise now? We'd be off the air because, you know, it could be cool. You could jump in, you know? No, no. This time tomorrow, I'm a miserable human being. More miserable than I was at 1 o'clock today. Wow. And that's pretty miserable.

Let's bring you on for a special on the nose then. That's something. If you fancy, no technology. You've got to go dark. Call pizza. By the way, right before you eat, call pizza. If there's breaking news tonight on Yom Kippur, I hope it's not.

Don't expect any analysis from me, okay? I'm off the grid. You guys are on your own. No text, no tweets, no nothing. I think he's doing this intentionally? What part? Just like making an announcement when he knows so that you can't respond to it.

Oh, Dana is doing it intentionally. Oh, wow. You think it goes that deep. You've mentioned that before. Like, why is it the Thursday announcements or whatever he used to do? I mean, it is pretty insane. He knows he's a boys in the back fan.

Come on. All right. guys, time to go. All right. I'm at too. Oh, there it is. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

That's the young man who fought just a couple of weeks ago. You can't be honest. I thought bottom right was me. Or bottom left, but I meant like the guy on the right, bottom left. That's your sosa. Yeah, yeah. Dana White wrote him this letter. Be the effin reason.

Your last name means something one day. Bang. got it tattooed on his arm. Pretty damn cool. How do they do... You need some headed notes with your name on the mate. But by the way, how did they get it exactly like that? They literally trace it.

They trace it. Yeah. But how? Well, they have to put an ink on it. They put it on your skin. You take transparent paper. Mm-hmm. You put it over the note.

Oh, you trace the outline. Then you put that onto the arm. Yeah. Tattoo that. What's so funny, PT? Hi, I wanted to know how you got it looking. so good. What's so funny? Would that make sense, yes?

Yeah, it does make sense. I just didn't know that. I don't have any tattoos. Do you have any tattoos, Pizzi? I don't have any tattoos and I'm not like a expert. Rick has like eight. They're hidden. You don't talk about that. You really have eight. It's my back piece. It's nine now, but.

Is that true? No, I don't have any. Oh. Frank has tattoos. Yeah. Yeah. Jordan, no. He has a Dana White tattoo somehow. I don't even know how that happened. Andy? I don't know if Andy has tattoos. How great.

Oh, well. Frank, how many do you have? Five. Of course, Frank has to have more. Of course, typical Frank. Anyway, thank you very much for our guest today. Thank you to Mr. David Feldman. Go check out BKFC on Saturday.

I'll be there. Thank you to Mark Kerr. Go check out the movie. Back tomorrow. See, Time. This is it. He's about here.