The Ariel Helwani Show - Rampage Jackson, Alex Pereira in studio, Chael Sonnen, Luke Rockhold, Deontay Wilder, Andre Ward, On The Nose

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

After quickly hitting some news and notes, Ariel Helwani is joined by Chael Sonnen to discuss his busy weekend with Real American Freestyle and CJI 2, the response to his initial comments on Raja Jackson, and his surprising prediction for the White House card main event (11:21).Deontay Wilder recaps his win over Tyrrell Herndon, before talking about feeling rejuvenated and wanting to fight until he's 50, teasing a potential fight against Francis Ngannou, and more (1:03:01).Luke Rockhold returns on the heels of his loss to Darren Till and addresses his future, including the topic of retirement and what life after fighting might look like. Plus, he details his backstage scuffle with Dillon Danis and responds to BKFC's David Feldman (1:30:07).Alex Pereira is back in studio to discuss the Magomed Ankalaev rematch, address Ankalaev's social media persona, reveal the truth behind his own moment of frustration on social media, and look ahead to some new projects, including his acting debut and a new non-profit charity (1:58:37).Andre Ward previews Canelo Alvarez vs. Terence Crawford, talking about his commentary role for Netflix, potentially coming out of retirement to fight Anthony Joshua, his feelings on Jake Paul vs. Gervonta 'Tank' Davis, and more (2:59:38)Quinton 'Rampage' Jackson opens up about the situation involving his son Raja, revealing some of their conversations after the event, threats his family has received in the aftermath, what he expects to happen to Raja, who's to blame, and more (3:19:29).Ariel and the Boys in the Back answer your questions during On The Nose, with topics including more on the Raja Jackson situation, Francis Ngannou, and Ariel's trip to Italy (4:10:52). Finally, they answer Super Chats before signing off (4:54:06).

Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eriawadi Show. Back in your life on this Wednesday, September 3rd, 2000. And 25. Hello. I sure hope you're doing well. It is great to be back on this lovely Wednesday. in New York City back yesterday after our two-week break. Oh, did it feel good. I was tired yesterday. I was tired. It was a long show. No hard outs on Tuesdays anymore. We don't play two. We just play

one real long one. And let me tell you something. We're coming back with a vengeance, with a bang, as they say in the business. Holy smokes, what a lineup today. What a lineup. Some have called that the greatest lineup in the illustrious history, 16 plus year history of this program. I don't know. I'll leave that up to you. It's sort of like when you ask, you know, you ask George St. Pierre, are you the goat? He says, I leave that up to you. I'll leave that up to the chat. Thumbs up, thumbs up, thumbs up. With the sub. We're trying to get 500 by the end of the year. We're trying. And we're trying with super stack shows like this one. A super stack lineup, nowhere else in sports, dare I say. Certainly not in combat sports.

Can you get lineups like this? Can you get discourse like this? Can you get chatter like this, can you get access to the greatest minds, the best guests in the game like this, and what a show, a six-pack of guests, holy smokes, back end of the program. We're going to be answering your questions. It's also Wednesday, and so we're going to be here until like 9 o'clock. I hope everyone brought dinner. Who the fuck is we? And he's back, baby.

There he is. Hi, Frank. How are you? Great, man. How are you? It was nice to be back. It was nice, but something was missing. Damn right it was

But it's here today So let's enjoy it We missed you We longed for you We lamented your absence We all were wondering You know two week break Was that not enough for you?

Did you need the extra day? I just had an eye problem Oh wow And I couldn't see myself coming in You were waiting to do that You were waiting to do that Since I came up with this bullshit Yeah

Yeah well you're feeling good right Feeling great couldn't be better No detached retina No detached retina Jesus What what Um, TMI? TMI.

I was already planning that if I went blind, I'd be like, well, that just makes me that much better of an audio engineer. Yeah, that's the thing. I wasn't that concern because I'm like, you just need your ears. So like, yeah, I get it. That's nice to know. Well, we missed. He actually got Jamal Adams this morning, the Jets, like trying to get into training camp and the targets tonight. We were walking in together, and it just flashed red.

He's like, I guess I guess they fired me. Yeah, he only did it once. He was like, oh, okay. Yeah, I started to leave, and Connor was like, no, no, I think it's broken. I'm like, yeah, whatever, man. Vacation continues. No, it was nice. Look, we all came in, we all came in early. We put in new cameras.

We changed a whole bunch of stuff, so thanks for joining us. Thank you very much for joining us. Anyway, tremendous show. Much to discuss. We'll answer your questions. Back into the program, areahowlwani.substack.com is the place to be for all the questions. Prior to that, the one and only Quinton Rampage Jackson is going to be joining us.

Obviously, you can probably guess what we'll be talking about. And I do believe this is his first interview since everything went down on the 23rd of August with his son on that kickstream at the Knox Pro wrestling event with Psycho Stew and everyone involved. We went into it at length yesterday.

What was so funny about that, I felt like I was pretty clear and concise. And I thought level-headed and quite, dare I say, critical of his son's actions. And then, of course, like the first comments are, I've lost all respect for Ariel. I can't believe that he's defending Rogers' actions. Do you not even watch the clips?

Do not even watch? Or at least listen? In any event, we'll talk to Rampage about all of this and do appreciate him coming on. Let's see how that goes. Prior to that, we'll be joined by the Son of God, not to be confused with the soldier of God, the one and only Andre Ward, who will be a part of the broadcast on the 13th of September on Netflix when the great Canelo Alvarez. Saul Cano Alvarez will be going up against Terrence Crawford.

at Allegiance Stadium in Las Vegas. It's the very first Zufa boxing show, although it is with Riyadh season, and it doesn't quite feel like a standalone event. It is the big one that Dana White is promoting, and then of course, WWE is promoting, and TKO is promoting and everyone involved. And so we'll talk to Andre about that

and other things going on in his life. Prior to that, in studio, the one and only, the former UFC middleweight champion, the former UFC light heavyweight champion, Poiton, Alex Perea, and Plinyo Cruz in studio, to talk about the big showdown on the 4th of October, UFC 320, 20, 21, 320, 21?

20, yeah. 20. The big one, the rematch. Ancolaev Pereira, Alex Pereira, going to be joining us in studio at 3 o'clock. What a show, what a show. Oh, by the way, Luke Rockhold's going to be joining us at 1130 Pacific, 2.30 Eastern to talk about his future coming off the knockout loss to Darren Till at Miss. fits over the weekend. Prior to that, the bronze bomber, Deonte Wilder, is going to be joining us, responding to one Francis Ngana, who was on the show about two weeks ago, saying he wants

him next. And in a couple of minutes, Chale's son are going to be joining that. Is that not enough? Six incredible guests. I mean, look at this. This is not fake. How blessed are we? How blessed are we that we get to do this for a living? Do you want to get to a couple of things before we get rolling? Hey, shout out to Canada zone, Montreal Zone. Mandel Nalo. a.k.a. rat garbage at 36 years young. Thirty-six years young getting his shot at Dana White Contender Series yesterday, winning in spectacular fashion, finally getting into the UFC. This is a guy who has been a part of the tri-star team, the Montreal MMA scene for a hell of a long time. His MMA debut 2009, 36, on Contender Series, finally getting into the UFC, Bellator veteran. What a great scene.

He doesn't go by rack garbage anymore. Longtime fans of the show will remember he was on the program at least once, maybe even twice, and I'm so happy for the guy, truly. And a great scene afterwards as he goes up to Dana White and says, get me on Paris, get me on Vancouver in case you missed it, here it was. I don't look my age, John. I'm not right. All right. All right. I'm sure.

I'm serious. Vancouver Paris, wherever you need me. I'm not a prospect. I'm a finished product. I'm not putting in anywhere. No, I agree. I love that line. I'm not a prospect.

I'm a finished product. Great to see. Good for him. It's a good show yesterday. Some great finishes contender series finding its strides. So congratulations. And it would be great to see him on that Vancouver card. Another Canadian in the UFC.

And great to see another Montreal. as well. Now, some massive news from the world of streaming. This according to the athletic and other outlets and reported on Yahoo Sports.com stream east, which I've never heard of, but the boys were telling me was a big sort of illegal sports streaming service. It has been reportedly shut down after a year-long investigation. According to the Athletic, the Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment, Ace said it worked with the Egyptian law enforcement officials to disrupt the service. August 24th, per the Athletic, Ace is an anti-piracy coalition comprised of multiple media organizations, including Amazon, Netflix, and DeZone, among other companies.

Streamies reportedly generate 1.6 billion visits over the past year. Per the athletic, the service offered illegal streams, Premier League, NFL, MLB, NBA. But here's where it really came into play, pay-per-view, a thorn in the side of the likes of the UFC and DeZone and other pay-per-view companies. And this would be a huge, huge blow to piracy. Now, it comes at a time where the UFC is getting off pay-per-view. And so, I don't know. Do you think this was like their last F-U? Remember, it was Dana White who said, Dana White said it himself that he was going to go after the pirates. He promised us. And I don't know if the guy just turned it on some three and a half, four years later. But according to this

article, no credit. Dana White, we're giving him credit because he was the one that said he was going to go after the pirates once they turned it on. He told us this back in, I think, what was it, 2021? In case you missed it, here it was. Like I said, I mean, this is a huge pay-per-view event to kick off the year. You kind of stirred the pot a little bit with the piracy, the online streamers. They want to come after you and give this thing away. So any regret? Any regret? No, no, no, no. I'm glad you asked me about that because we got one. We got them. We're watching this guy right now. All you have to do is turn it on on Saturday. And we got you, fucker. I can't wait. Turn it on on Saturday. Streamers and

see what happens. Thank you for asking me that question. So that was January of 2021 prior to the second Connor McGregor, Dustin Porier, fight. No confirmation as to whether or not that person that he was talking about lived in Egypt, but hey, some four plus years later, maybe he was the one that got him. So congrats to all involved. One more, this came through the email wire earlier today, TKO extending its exclusive partnership with T-Mobile Arena, solidifying Las Vegas' premier venue as its official home. They announced that they'll do multiple events between now and 2030, WWE events, two of them, and four annual UFC events.

This is a deal that they've had for a while. There seemed to be a period where Dana White was a little bit perturbed with the MGM folks, MGM owning T-Mobile, but it seems as though all is good. And those four events as far as UFC events, two WWE between now and 2030 will remain. So if you're a fan of going to that arena, Personally, I've always been an MGM grand guy. I miss the MGM grand.

I miss Mandalay Bay. But it is obviously much bigger. And they're doing a lot of business there. Legion Stadium, September 13th, WrestleMania going back in April of next year. So there you have it. All right. Let's get into things here. Very excited, as always, to talk to our first guest to the day.

I mean, really needs no introduction. And what a weekend for this guy. Going from Saturday in Cleveland, the inaugural real American freestyle wrestling event, on Fox Nation. He was a big part of it. I know that's a sport that is near and dear to his heart. And then he gets on the red eye, heads off to Vegas and pins Craig Jones in the main event of C.J.I. 2. Your friend and mine, the bad guy, Chil Sunnan, joining us off the top here today. Hello, Chale. How are you? Good morning, Helwani. I'm doing awesome. Thank you. How are you doing? It's a pleasure to see you. A couple new sponsors there to the left? Yes, this was from Janko Fuel. I mentioned that because Jocko was a big part of the Craig's event. He actually gave me this.

And these fellas I met on Cameo, and it's called No Cap Pop, and they sent me one. The least I could do is think to set it here for one plug. I'll try it later. I'll get some ice and pour it over ice. I'll let you know if it's any good. All right. Well, well done. How was this weekend for you?

How would you describe? I mean, you were everywhere. The Chalesman business was on fire this weekend. It really was great. First off, I don't like downtime. So I appreciate the word busy, but I didn't feel busy. I was just making towns and participating where I could. But Ariel, the real American freestyle, there is no chance to watch amateur wrestling. The Olympic Games come around every four years, and you're not even guaranteed to get one complete match on that. NCAAs, once a year, they got really good coverage. But aside from that, the well is kind of dry. So to be in an event like that, as well produced, that had the best wrestlers in the world and then to be able to participate where I came in as a commentator. Man, it was like being a Disneyland.

I really could not have had a more fun evening. So we know that this has been tried in the past. Early 2000s, I remember D.C. and King Moe being involved in an outfit called Real Pro Wrestling, I believe it was. But you were there boots on the ground. I understand you're working with them and so you're probably hoping that it succeeds. And I know this sport is so near and dear to your heart.

But what's the ceiling here? What do you think? Do you think, like watching it from afar, I was impressed. Production looked good, good people behind it. I feel like they're onto something. I left more confident than I came in. And I think I came in with a pretty good attitude. But I thought we would need a couple of, a couple of swerves, if you will,

a couple of insider industry things to happen. Specific callouts. Maybe somebody's walkouts got some flare to it. The bad news and why I don't want that to happen is when people start performing and acting. We the audience can tell. We see right through it. So it's very important to just be yourself. And Bischoff told these guys, don't get lost in the pro wrestling term. Pro just means we're going to pay you. You're the wrestlers. Go do your thing. I'll handle the cameras. And I thought that that was pretty good advice. And I think that's what was followed.

We did have a couple of surprises, Holly Home going out there. That was a real treat. People really love that. I will share for you in the future, I don't know that we would need a Holly Home type to go out there. I think just the wrestlers going hard, top guys with beautiful resumes, I think that turned out to be enough. And I think that that ended up being more in and of itself than we thought it was going to be.

How involved is Bischoff? Very. Hands on and everything. If there's an email anywhere, he's on it. Wow. Who's on more juice? You are Bischoff? Oh, I am for sure. You think easy. I gave him a hug Ariel. He was hard as a rock

He's not very big. He's a very lean guy. I would have thought more like a hormone manipulation that I would think, testosterone manipulation, but that would be my guess. He looks absolute shredded. I mean, I think he's in his mid-70s or something like that. Yeah, he was lean for sure. Now, what's going on with Tito? It's the way we want to look when we're that age.

Right. Yes. This Tito thing, what was that all about? Ariel, it was awkward. And you must understand from my perspective, I have a thing. Just one. but my thing that will start a fight 100% of the time is if I go to shake your hand

and you leave me there. If I go to shake your hand and you don't shake my hand, that's my thing. That's what gets me worked up. And Tito had done that in the back prior to this. So I'm out. I'm out on Tito. I don't want anything to do with him.

And I get asked, hey, Tito wants to challenge you. We won't do it unless you're okay with it, but Tito wants to challenge you. my head's on Craig for one I have the headsets on I'm live this is getting mouthed to me and I said no I'm not interested not interested so I got asked a second time complete with hey you know you're our guy we won't do this if you don't want to so for a second time I say I don't want to do it Tito himself comes over and he flips my headset off and in that moment that this is where now I must touch Tito I have no idea where in Tito's mind

I became the guy that that was okay to do, too. But that was the part that was really assaulting to me. But then his voice comes, and his voice was very soft, and it was very sweet. And he said, please, come on, man, please, let's do this. I think we could have fun. Please, come on, man, come on. Can't do it without you. So I gave him a thumbs up, and I keep calling the show.

So then when it was going to happen or how that was going to go down, was I going to be their face-to-face or they're just going to interview him with a camera, you know, microphone, and I get called out. I really didn't know. So when he did come up the stairs and there was nobody in between us, it just made for kind of an interesting moment. Now, you'll have to tell me if that was something special for TV or if you thought it was corny. I would be too close to it to decide.

But the idea of putting a singlet on and trying to pin Tito Ortiz to the ground, it feels a little strange at 50 years old, if I'm to be fair. And obviously you guys have the history Belator way back in the day when you guys competed in wrestling, you beat them we remember this, we know this if you're asking my opinion as a friend I don't know if that was just like more of a rhetorical

question. I would like a response to what did you think of it? If I'm in the Chale's son and business if I'm your manager, if I'm your agent that day and they come up to me and say hey we want to do this thing, you know, Chales on the broadcast this and that, I say we're not taking part. We're not taking part because number one, we don't need this, you don't

need this, we're trying to be taken seriously, the trouble that they're going to have, especially when Hogan and Bischoff got involved, obviously Hogan no longer with us, was people are going to wonder, like, is this real, is this not? They're coming from pro wrestling, not real wrestling, right, amateur wrestling, collegial wrestling. So there's a fine line there. I think it's okay. Like Angle being involved, he has a history. You being involved, you have a history. But once you start doing like gimmicky things, there's a fine line. You're a broadcaster. You're not a competitor, I think it took away from what you were doing, the great job that you were doing

and what they were trying to do. The home thing I love, because in MMA, as you know, you can't do surprise, you know, opponents. Here, they could get away with it. So I love the home thing. It was fun. It was a tip of the cap to the MMA fans who might have been watching. I don't think you needed to do that. And I wouldn't, I don't necessarily want you to go down that path as your friend. And Ariel, if Holly, to go back to her, because I was so impressed with her, she was in the back, She was there to warm up. She worked me. She didn't say, I'm going in.

She said, I'm here to warm up and want an event. Oh, wow. And it was so cool. Three weeks ago, she weighed in at 135 pounds and boxed and went all 10 rounds. So to see her turn around and put a singlet on with an hour or two's notice just for the love of competition, I thought that was very amazing. She catches the girl right off the bat, catches her, puts her on her back. Errol, if Holly would have pinned that girl in that sequence, this, whole event would have gone up in flames because

everybody would have thought it was fake, including me. When that girl went to her back, I'm like, oh my gosh, they worked this one out. Then the girl fought off her back and gets up and comes back angry. I'm like, oh, no, they're really wrestling. Holly really put that girl in that troubling position right off the bat. That made it that much

more, wow. At least from my perspective, I'm going, wow. Well, I look forward to the next one. Obviously, I'm not an aficionado like you are when it comes to that former wrestling, but I think they're on to something. And there's definitely, I think, a market to be, to be conquered there. How did the Craig Jones thing come about?

We know he was supposed to go up against Gable. That seems to, that seems to fizzle out, and then all of a sudden it's you. At first I thought you guys were just doing like a YouTube promo thing, but then I get the word, you're actually in, and you're going to fly from Cleveland to Vegas and compete and you did. How did that all come about? Craig Jones is so good. It's hard to, it's hard to tell you how good Craig Jones.

What is this position? Let me tell you where I am. Yeah. I'm inside control, Ariel. Now, I've never seen whatever this is, but I don't have to. I'm inside control. They call it control because I have control. I didn't know anywhere in the world that you could be in trouble.

And this is so peaceful. I hear everything right now. By the way, I'm not asleep. It just looks that way. I'm not. I heard Big John saying, Craig, let him go. He's out. He's out like I heard.

I was there for all of it. It's just in a different realm. I thought you pinned them, though, both shoulders on the mat. I was watching this be like, right there, second shoulder. I thought it was a one, two, three. That's what I thought. One, two, three. That's what I'm trying to express to you, side control in the buggy chip.

Nobody understands the rules, right? I think you get a guy down, you're on top of him, we're on a matted surface, exactly. One, two, three. Clean, and you didn't celebrate, you didn't rub it in his face. I thought that was really professional. I feel a pride. At anything that Craig does, I feel that I'm involved, because we discover. him. He became the submission underground champion.

And I don't know if he feels that same way, but I am proud is a very hard word to use for somebody, but I'm very proud of Craig. I wanted to beat him and the rules having three, five-minute rounds, I thought provided an opportunity. I can get this guy down. I can protect myself and hold him there. I was planning to hold him down in that position before whatever this number came was and got me.

Right. Okay, so how did it happen, though? How did it, like, before we get to the match, how did you participating in the match come about? I find out Gables out, and I just read that online. Someone covered that, and I was really disappointed. I wanted to see the world's best jiu-jitsu guy against the young, humongous Olympic wrestling gold medalist. That was very compelling for me. So when he pulls out, I actually got a call from Craig.

And Craig just says, hey, I know you've promoted enough events, had to save the day before. How would you save this one? and I told him, if you can get any name right now, get Raja Jackson. That's the one for the kind of event you're doing, pops up on a poster. You say one thing, let's see how you do when the opponent is conscience. That's all that you say, put out the poster of you and Raja, and he liked the idea. He did not know how to reach them, so he tasked me, I went to Rampage, we never heard back. Then somewhere along the way, I get a call from a media group called Flow Grappling,

and they are live. It's like calling it to a radio station. I answer, and they say, would you take on Craig Jones? Like in this live scenario, will you take on Craig? Of course I will take on Craig. But I didn't know that they were going to need me. I didn't know I was accepting a match in that manner, as much as just philosophically,

if we need a tough guy, are you still the sports biggest tough guy? Turns out it was a yes on both questions. Okay. And did you feel like you were backed into a corner? Like, we were like, oh, gosh, I didn't really want to do this? No, I did not.

I do prefer to prepare for competition. But Craig is very unique. And I thought the way this story went, it turned out, maybe I got this wrong, but I thought this was Craig's retirement match. It was going to be his last one. And I wanted to share that with him. And I had lost to Craig at Abu Dhabi, but I really felt that the rules of three, five-minute rounds with judges,

I thought it created a real opportunity for somebody to slip in and beat him. And I was coming to you frantically to get a hold of Sean Brady. I just wanted like his idea. What did you feel? How did you nullify it? Give me a tip or two. I did not know from side control. I was in danger. I learned something. But, Errol, what a beautiful technique. I mean, who else knew that when you're on the side, you could still be strangled out? A guillotine choke, by the way, partner, is painful. A rear naked, there's a little bit of panic, largely just because of how we got you're back in the first place. This thing, this thing they're calling a buggy choke, Ariel.

It is so peaceful. And then you're out, and then you come back. And it's just a very strange sensation. When I got home, Ms. Brittany gives me a hug right at the door. And she whispers in my ears so the kids don't hear. And she says, you didn't sell that first one very well. I know you weren't out. It's just like, okay.

Oh, I love, by the way, why did they do it twice? There's not a lot that I can say there, but all right. Why twice? And even on tapology, it says that he has two wins over you, which I thought was a bit of a, I don't know, a little unprofessional on their part. I felt like they were like... That would be untrue. I mean, that was one match. They decided to restart the one match. And, Errol, they would have let me go a third time. It's just a matter of, I mean, how much embarrassment do you want to take? And I don't know the rule on if you pass out and coming back. Like, I don't know if you want to pass out three times in three minutes. I know if anyone even got knocked down when Coach Clayton was there, your practice was. over for the day, no matter what happened. If you get knocked down, if you go out, your practice is over. So there was a little piece of me going, man, I don't really know the rules on this. I've never been passed out, let alone twice. I could have turned down the opportunity to restart the match because I really thought I could beat him. I still feel if I could have got him to the

spot, got my hand on his chin. I could have caused some problems, but he's advanced, man. It's hard to say, Ariel. He is very, very talented at that sport. I give you a lot of credit I actually felt very guilty very guilty because I was dealing with some jet lag I had just arrived from Europe I went to sleep very early like 9 o'clock I wake up at like 435 in the morning Eastern time and I see I'm happy you bring this up I see a text from you saying hey do you have Sean Brady's phone number and then I go online and I see what happened and then I put the I put two and two together and I see that you texting me before the match and I was like oh I could have potentially save chale. Had I gotten the number and you talked to Sean, maybe this doesn't

happen. So I felt a bit of guilt. I'm not going to lie. And I blame you. I blame you for the whole loss. So I'm not going to lie either. And I accept your apology. Thank you. Thank you for being mad enough to admit you screwed me against Craig. And then if I would have talked to Sean, I think we can all agree on that. So 100%. Okay. Well, my bad. That's on me. That's on me. Harold, he had an energy at this thing. Like this crowd, Craig's crowd, they knew what was up at all times. The energy, and I can't explain it to you got, it's something you've got to feel, but like Gabby Garcia jumps up on this box and she's dancing

and they got this DJ cutting these cool sounds. And the whole crowd's into it. They started chants three and four times. They like knew it to chant in unison. The rock can get audience participation. But it took him years of educating that audience. until he was able to pull it off. This is Craig's second event.

On his second event, these audience members knew what to do and when to do it. It was awesome, man. I really wish CGI was more often than once a year. And I must say, it was really a special event. It was a really interesting weekend because there was all these different offshoots, I feel like, of MMA, but no actual MMA going on. You had the dirty boxing on Friday. You had the Misfits on Saturday.

You had the R.A.F. You had the CJI. And it just kind of shows the business of MMAs and an interesting spot right now where you have all these players, recognizable names from the world of MMA, yourself, Jarzino, Dylan Danis, Tony Ferguson, Darren Till, you know, Holly Home, all doing things outside of MMA, but MMA fans being attracted to it. So I thought it was a fascinating weekend. I mentioned to you that I was out of the country. And so I'm sort of doing a pretty good job, I think, of staying out of the storm, staying off my phone, staying off social media. And then all of a sudden

I come across this Raja Jackson situation with Rampage's son, and I say, okay, let me see, see what like the main players are saying so I go on your channel always go to your channel first a nice little chill video on the couch and then I read the comments now I got to your first video after you posted the second video addressing all the heat you received for the first video what was that like because it seemed like uh it seemed like old chale was taking some heat there for his comments I have never taken heat in those comments like that before it's usually a really supportive group that's for the way it is that I was 50 and oh undefeated and I am the reigning linear champion because I destroy John Jones and ripped his toe off.

That's generally the way those comments go. Ariel, they were very upset and they were upset that I would be so disgusting as to defend Raja Jackson and to make an argument that what Raja did was okay. The problem was, I don't think any of those things, and I didn't say anything remotely close to that. I tackled this from the same perspective both times, which is the legal perspective. you have this crime, you have a clear assault that might even be attempted murder if you believe it to be premeditated. The authorities are in possession of what you've already deemed is

disgusting, horrifying, and criminal, but they haven't taken action. And I explained in both videos why they hadn't taken action. I never even touched on Raja, why he did it, psychos do, what happened to him, never touched it. Came purely from illegal. perspective, if I would go to 7-Eleven to a pay phone and dine you out, I make a call and I say that I saw you doing that to somebody, you would have been placed in handcuffs. They're a step further in this jurisdiction. They have the tape. They've seen it with their own eyes. They have not even commented that they are investigating it. The whole thing is pro-restling unless psycho stew asks them to take charges. And that is the part that I find interesting. It's all that

I ever said. And all the heat came back as though that was a defense of Raja, but it doesn't even include Raja's name, for that matter. Are you surprised nothing has happened to him? Are you surprised there haven't been any arrests, any charges, anything like that? No. They can't and they won't make an arrest until Psycho Stu says that wasn't planned. Everybody on the card that night said before the match, they're going to beat the hell out of their opponent. Everybody on the card that night. Winners and losers hit their opponent. Everyone on the card that night picked their opponent up, threw them to the ground. The difference was they were performing. What was in their heart was different. It appeared that Rajas stopped performing and started

to try to injure a man. And that is the difference between the show and a crime. But when I say that's what it appears, only Stu gets to stay. The rest of us are Marks. Only Psycho Stu gets to say that and he has up to 12 months. I have a feeling he might drag this on, but they're not going to go just arrest him because they have a video of a pro wrestling match and the audience doesn't get to

decide what's real and what's not. The audience job is to be entertained and constantly fooled. So they don't actually get to say how bad this was. Only one person does and that's stew and so far he's remained silent. Why do you think he might drag it out?

Well, Stu isn't, I spoke to Stu. Really? People. People love Stu back and forth. And he believes that if he doesn't protect the business, that he's heard of the business, he also believes if he goes to the police, he gives up his character as a legitimate badass. Meanwhile, if he takes that beating, don't forget, he wasn't covered. It's not like Rajah beat him.

Raja never covered. There was no one, two, three. And Stu could ask for rematches. He could spend that, he could turn that into something. Now, what do you want to do? They have a million dollar insurance policy. I have to carry this exact same insurance because I'm a promoter here in Oregon. And believe me, that settlement would be done quickly and for all $1 million.

But Stu's going to have to juxtapose taking that money and going down the legal route against the character and the brand of wrestling. I don't know which he's going to choose, but it's not a simple choice. One gets you a million dollars. The other one costs you your identity. If people will do anything to protect their identity. So what do you think he does? Ultimately, do you think he does nothing? I think he does nothing.

I think that somebody will come to him quietly and work something out. But a lot of times the insurance would go, hey, we're not paying if there's not a crime, there's not a crime until you file a report. And if you play that game, I think that will give Rajav an opportunity. But if somebody is able to come in quietly and say, we saw what happened to you, here's how we want to settle this, non-disclosure from you, non-disclosure over here. I think that would be fair. I hope that that's what happens. I don't know if it's completely my guess, but it's an option. Just curious, since you say you have some sort of contact with him, how is he doing?

Do you have any idea? Yes, he had woken up. He had said a few words. The reports of a broken jaw on missing teeth, I can't confirm those, but I personally believe them. That sounds very in line with what I saw. But no, I didn't get anything major insight. He's doing better. trying to find out a little bit about him outside of wrestling, that he's a military veteran,

that he's a father, that he's a husband, that he's a really good dude. Like, the stuff that was coming out, it seems like Stu was quite an unfortunate victim. Okay. Do you blame him for any of this? No. No, I don't blame Stu. I don't know what happened in the back with a beer can. Yeah. But those are different incidents, by the way. And Stu, when he used the beer can, clearly did not intend harm. He used the correct way. He was trying to work. He found out, oh, I'm not with a worker.

He apologized. That was a dead issue. And then you have the premeditation of Raja on his stream telling people, I'm going to go do this for real. And there is a point where we as people are whoever we pretend to be. So if Raja now gets into character for stream of street tough guy that's waiting to confront this guy that did him wrong earlier, he can be. come that guy pretty easily, and the great wrestlers do good into character. They just remember

to take care of their opponent. So what lines got blurred? Where was the crime from the accident? Because it starts out like a show. He is attacking from behind. He waits for the cue when he turns around. He gets in on that high crotch. He lifts him up, turns him around, drops him in the correct spot. Way too hard, by the way. And then is like where he, that's like where the rage came. So it wasn't completely premeditated, it was disgusting, but how they're going to handle it. I mean, Ariel, don't forget, if they think the intent was to do serious harm, you're talking about assault three. Assault three is worse time-wise than an attempted murder, but you're still talking about attempted murder being on the table. Like, it is a wide range, not because of what

happened, because of what the desired outcome of what happened might have been. You said the were disgusting. I mean, disgusting criminals, it was shocking to watch, especially in real time, and especially when you think, like, someone is filming this who's part of Raja's crew, if you will, the fact that the promoters, everyone involved walked up to him and said, yeah, you could get yours and didn't explain to him what that was or what they were trying to say. Like, they deserve so much blame as well. It was, to me, I called it a shitstorm of stupid it was just like stupid after stupid after stupid. There was no adult in that entire situation. There was no one that said, hey, man, you're a little too heated.

Like, maybe we should do this another time. Maybe we should, like, we don't actually mean you kick the crap out of the guy. We mean, like, you do an angle. And if you are doing the angle, who's it for? No one's watching this. This is an indie show with 30 people in attendance. Like, what are you talking about? This is not Monday Night Raw?

The whole thing was very bizarre. What did you make of the reaction to it? Because I saw it explode and then grow and then grow. And every video on YouTube about this is getting millions of views, 800, 700,000. and it broke through the crazy world of wrestling in MMA. I was just kind of shocked at how much coverage came to this story. I thought the same thing. And then there is a question of what do you do with that

and what does Stu want to do with that? I mean, Stu, you know, when you go out and create a character and you're living your life and you're playing it, it's because you see yourself as this guy. Then TV allows you to get to be that guy in front of people for adoration of the audience. and do you want to let that go? You know, it's a tough spot.

If they were to work an angle up and down the interstate, like they would have done in the old day, they're going to sell a lot of tickets with it. There is something here. Does that excuse? Is that okay for this terrible action we have? I mean, it's not just for a matter of what happened to Stu. Stu almost has a responsibility to do something

so that this doesn't happen to someone else down the road. But I don't know Rajat to be a bad guy. And I don't know what happened in that moment. And I don't know if he is just the world's work. pro wrestler, or he just thought Stu was the world's toughest guy, and he could take him. Floyd Mayweather did the same thing to Paul White, the Big Show. Now, Big Show told him to. Big Show said, we can't sell this or scripted, so just hit me. So Floyd put a combo on it and ends up busting Paul's nose, but that's what happens when you get hit by Floyd, but there was no

hard feelings. Because Paul said, I want you to actually do this, and Floyd did. I don't think anything like that was agreed upon in the back. If that would have been a spot, we would have at least seen a cover. We would have heard the bell ring with a disqualification. It seemed as though everybody was caught off guard. So at what moment did Rajah switch from the script to business for himself? I think that's going to be an important moment should this ever turn to a courtroom. By the way, when you put out something like that, you think you're being level-headed. You're trying to give some sort of smart, intelligent, nuanced take on a very complex situation and a tough one to tackle and you see this tidal wave of hate coming your way. Just curious, like for Chal's

son and the human being, the husband, the father, how do you internalize that? How do you deal with that? I was surprised, Ariel, my arrogance until I got that pushback, which was that people watched my entire videos. That that pushback was the moment I realized people watch about 30 seconds of what I'm saying, or they listen to two lines and form their own opinion. I didn't know that. I thought my viewers were more loyal than that. I thought they listened to everything that I said. But there's no way to listen to what I said and then come out thinking it was a defense for Raja or in, hey, I would have done it the same way. There was no part of that. It's very fascinating that we're in possession of absolute proof, but no legal action has been taken. Yeah. That's interesting.

And that's what I spoke to. Okay. It's, it's a, yeah, it's a weird one. It's a very, it's a very strange one. Everyone weighing in from the world of pro wrestling from MMA, I mean, it was the hottest topic. I don't know if it was because nothing else was going on or if it was because it was like a criminal act being streamed live. You won't get into that world, right? The 24-hour stream stuff where you're walking around with a lob mic on your hat. Like, it's not quite for you, is it? It's not for me. It's not for me. You know, that

that interesting stuff for the most part does not require talent. And it's why so many people are getting into it. There's no barrier to entry. If you've got an iPhone, you're willing to watch a couple of videos on YouTube about how to upload this stuff. All of a sudden, you can be out there. But no, for me, no. I will bring talent, information. I have an actual skill, and I will deliver that.

I don't need the cheap clicks. Did you enjoy doing the Ultimate Fighter? I do, but it's a tough question because you form a bond with those guys, unlike anything else I've ever been part of. My high school classmates, very special. your college teammates, very special, but the ultimate fighter is unlike anything. You use the word family. People love to work, we're a family.

They love to say that when they're getting ready to negotiate with you, and they would like you to take less. The ultimate fighter actually forms a family. And, you know, those guys are like sons or nephews, and I hate seeing them go. I hate losing contact with them. I enjoyed it more when I could see them each and every day, watch them grow, help them get closer to their goals. And all of a sudden, one day it's over and you're all just supposed to walk out opposite doors and go back to the normal world.

And I will tell you, that part is tough. My understanding is it kind of lit something under D.C. And he's now, like, forming a team and he's coaching. He saw him yesterday. Any chance that happens to you? I am coaching, but just the kids and just for wrestling. Okay. He's exactly right.

He's got a fight gym going. He had three guys on the last three contender series. Took a couple of those guys from the Ultimate Fighter. He's training with them now. hoping to break them in to the octagon the right way. And, yeah, D.C. is an incredible guy. I will mimic his efforts to give back, but mine will just be through amateur wrestling. So no interest in MMA, being an MMA coach, having a team, all that stuff.

No, no, just my son. I train my son because I can't get away from him and we got a gym in the garage. But when I leave and have open classes, just for wrestling. Do you think he'll actually become a fighter? I don't think so. I don't think that he really wants to do that. I don't think when he says he wants to do that at 10 years young, that he fully understands what he's saying.

But I will make sure that he has some certain skills that maybe give him a certain level of confidence as he goes through life. But will he get in there and actually compete with another man? Probably not. They say a rich man can't fight. And they say that a rich man's son doesn't have to fight. I think that's probably true.

Okay. Although Jake Paul is fighting and he's pretty rich. it's a good point um you know i i don't want to put you on the spot with this one but i am really curious and you can tell me to you know kick rocks but what does the the paramount deal mean for chel sunen how does this affect you if at all okay so i rule with glen wherever glen goes that's where i want to go but i'm not sure glen would ever leave espion or that would even be on the table so there might just not be anything there i don't know uh how does it work let's see we got a contract with ESPN, and even though it appears that there's nothing left to do,

that doesn't actually Nolan void your contract. So I'm in talks with nobody. I'm at ESPN, and I'm very happy. Will they continue an MMA to some degree? I don't know. Daniel and I have a show over there, and it's a successful show. Are they going to keep that around? I don't know.

And now ESPN is looking that they're going to acquire fight pass. Maybe that opens a level of opportunity. I don't know. So it's a little bit of a holding, a little bit of a holding pattern. I, uh, I love it. I love the job, Errol, but I am planning to run for governor in Oregon. And the question just becomes, which race? What are you going to jump into?

I was going to wait a cycle. But if this TV thing all gets played out, right? The music stops and there's no chair for jail. I am going to go file and I'm going to be Oregon's next governor. Okay. Wait a second. Wait a second. First of all, the Glenn that you're speaking of

is Glenn Jacobs, great guy, was once my boss as well, made the Ariel and the bad guy show I have great respect and affinity for him and I think he'll be okay. It's interesting with the WWEE deal going over to ESPN. Perhaps he just moves over to that with UFC going, who would have thought we'd be in this landscape? But the governor thing, is this the first

time you say this? I've not heard you say this before. It might be the first time I told you. It's not the first time I said it. The first time I said it, I was in third grade and on the first day of class, they made us get out a piece of paper and write down what we were going to be when we grew up. I wrote president of the United States and then fourth grade, fifth grade,

sixth grade, it was the same experiment and I always wrote president. And then as I got a little older, I realized I don't want to go away from Oregon. I want to be here. So I switched it to governor around junior year of high school. But the time where I'm actually going to get in and do it

is probably going to be now. We'll see it. You can't be on TV and in a campaign. There's a law, a federal law called Equal Time. Which means if some network gave me, and I'm campaigned, if some network gave me 30 minutes, they would have to give my opponent 30 minutes. And if I'm working for that network, like, there's just no way to do it. There's no way to have a job and meet that rule.

So if Paramount decided to go with somebody lesser, because it's not like there's anybody better at this than me, I would wish them well. But that would be my next move. I'd go to Salem, I go to the Secretary of State's office, and then I would file my candidacy for government. of Oregon. Wow, wow, wow. This is incredible. And when would that election be? That election will be in November of 26. Okay, so this would be the time. Yes. You want this? And by the way, November of 25, and it's probably important that I get that date right. So November 25. November 25, you would go into office in 26 if you want. Correct. And your family wants this. You're okay because, I mean, when you run for public

office, you open yourself up to all kinds of nastiness, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. No, that's tough stuff for sure. But it's kind of boilerplate. I mean, they say it about everybody, right? This guy's a racist, and this guy's a zymophobic, and this guy's anti-Semitic. I mean, they use the most insulting words. It's really interesting. We work with kids and they're growing up, and if a kid calls another kid a jerk or a dork, it's big trouble. The adults say you don't call them names, but then adults call other adults much worse names, right? Adults really are the scummier of the two between children, right? Between minor and adult, the worst of the two is the adult. So yes, they will come up with all of that and a number of things. And maybe even a couple of things that

you don't know. There wouldn't be very many. There wouldn't be very many secrets I'm sitting on, but they might come out. Wait a second. Wait a second. So you have to, you have to declare your candidacy in November in two months from now? No. I would not have to be in there, and I could, but I would not have to be in there until January 9th. Wow. So when do you make this call? Well, the call is going to be made for me. If Dana White, Paramount would like me to come over and continue my participation and I stay and sign a television deal, that would void my ability of running. I really felt like I made this clear a minute ago. I'm trying to do it again for you anyway. If I don't get picked up, if they decide they would like a lesser talent, that is the option that I will go with. Okay, but the thing is, like, running for governor is such a big deal.

Doesn't that supersede? Like, if you feel it in your heart right now, why don't you just go for it? The TV thing will be there. Go for it now. I was beginning in the next cycle. So it's not a matter of my plans would change. It would just change the date. And it would be in a positive way.

To yours speak of that feeling or of that calling, I would be doing it and I would be doing it sooner than was planned. So, I mean, I'm just sharing. You ask me what's going on. That's what's going on in my life. You ask me about the Paramount deal. That's how it affects me. How can I help?

How can I help? Can I be your campaign manager? Can I be head of comms? What can I do? You know, I don't know if you want to be a campaign manager. There's a lot of work on that, but I appreciate that thought.

I'm sure I will want to come back and maybe plug a message for two and ask some people for some votes. Are you saying I don't have to work at this? I'm not leaning on you for anything. I'm just sharing with you what I'm going to do. Are you implying I don't have the work ethic to be a campaign manager?

Is that what you're implung? No, no, you're tremendous. day. It's very hard. My campaign manager is very hard. Wow. Okay. You've thrown me a curveball here, but I love it. Can I ask, speaking with the Paramount, how do you feel about them getting rid of the pay-per-view? The number of events

are just going to be behind the Paramount Plus subscription paywall, but no longer a pay-per-view. What a gift. Yeah. What a gift to the MMA audience, and the audience starts pushing back and complaining about fighter pay, and it kind of caught me off guard. I'm like, do you not understand? First off, this isn't newly tested. WWE

dropped their pay-per-views years ago. They're all under one banner, so why one would be on pay-per-view and one-witted, it makes a little more sense not to be, but I don't know how people miss the gift. And then there's always this idea that the fighter is going to get shorted, but never not once since 2001, year over year, has the UFC not paid the fighter more money? They've never got a deal, whether it was Fox, ESPN, or this, where the fighter didn't make more money. So I think it's awesome. I would prefer not to have to push the pay-per-view button. And I've bought every show, and I haven't missed, don't have to go to that extra step.

Thank you, TKO. It is great for the fans. I think it's great for the fans. I think it's great for the UFC. I think it's great for Paramount that they own the sport. But the question is, like, if you're a UFC champion right now, if you're Hamzaa Chamaev, if you're Marab, if you're one of these guys who gets pay-per-view points, I don't think Marab actually gets, but you get the point.

You know, aren't you wondering what happens to my cut? Historically, champions got pay-per-view points. They got a cut of the paper-view. They participated. himself said that. Once I started to participate, I wanted to actually participate. That's something that needs to be addressed, right? That has me the most curious, Errol. And even on the UFC side, how do you motivate them to keep doing a great job? The UFC with the participation points chose to motivate its main

event and champion to get out there, to accept the invites that the PR team is doing for you, to accept the marketing opportunities. A lot of guys don't want to do that, though. They don't want to sit in radio stations and spend a day, and then you're in this elevator, and you're over here, and now you're back talking to this. So they incentivize them through participation. And, but the UFC has incentivized the same way with those pay-per-view numbers. So what does happen? What does happen? Will Dana keep the same focus? I think so. I think you can count on that. How will he get the guys to do it? And all I can do is look back to WWE when they went off pay-per-view, and those guys felt the same incentive. Those guys have put out just as much

media, just as many interviews. They've all made more money. So what that structure and model looks like, yes, to your question, yes, I am curious. Am I confident that there is an answer to this? We just haven't thought of it yet? Yeah, of course there is. Beda knows what he's doing. Are you surprised that there's now this new trend that if you want to move up, you have to vacate your title? It's now happened three times in 2025, right? With Tuporia, with Islam, and now we see Zhang having to, Zhang Wei having to vacate. I kind of like the champion versus champion thing on the poster, you know, it feels like it loses a little bit of something. I hear you on that. And overall, I do like it.

Nobody is going to have a belt in two divisions and then defend the lower belt. And there has been a time historically that you could throw in my face that Amanda Nunes did do that. But we can agree that women's division was very different. It was not loaded. I mean, just with bodies. There wasn't a lot of bodies. So one champion to do two weight classes that fulfills all the dates and everything's fine. For the guys, though, I mean, I would argue for you, the reason. and Volcanovsky wasn't the champ champ is because he didn't burn his boats in the first place.

Volcanowski goes to step of the cage with Islam. If he wins, he wakes up tomorrow the world champion. If he loses, he wakes up tomorrow the world champion. If he wins, his next fight is for the title because he's bringing it. If he loses his next fights for the title because he's bringing it, a guy's got to have a little bit more risk than that.

If you genuinely believe that you can beat this guy, then leave this one behind. And you saw what that did for Ilya and as great as he looked. and I think that you're probably going to see something very beautiful from Islam. Jack's a little harder fight than people are aware, but the bottom line, yes, and Islam's saying it right now, I'm going to go back to 55. It's like, Islam, thank you. You're a very sweet guy. No, you're not. The worst thing in the world is to have to cut weight. Nobody in the tough guy business wants to be smaller. None of your classmates thinks it's cool to have the smaller

guy belt, the bigger belt, and the one above that and the one all the way up to the heavyweight, which is the worst fighter in the room, but he gets the most attention. And we're after perception here. So yes, you've got to burn one belt. You can't pack both of them around. Who is Ilya's next fight against? It's supposed to be against Siruqi. Like, if you're asking me for inside information, who does the UFC want him to fight? The answer is Armand Sarukian. The problem right now has come to dates. Ilya doesn't want to fight until next year. He wants the rest of this year off. And Sarukian wants to to get in there right away. So now he's looking at Justin or Patty, but I don't know if those guys

are speaking up. I know Justin's also waiting to be the one to fight Ilya, and Patty seems pretty game to do anything, but they're all killers right now. So he's kind of sitting back and just waiting which one that he happens to draw. But the fight the UFC would like to go with is Ilya versus Sarukia. Are you surprised because the biggest money fight would probably be Ilya versus Patty, now? Yeah, Ilya versus Patty. And I appreciate you saying that because so many people, well, so many people too. Islam and Ilya are convinced that they are this huge fight and they're not. They're a good fight and they're a big fight. They're not a huge fight. Now, if they both get a little bit more done, yes, that could be the biggest fight in the industry. But it's not right now.

As a matter of fact, and to your point, Ilya versus Patty does a larger buy gates, larger live gate and a bigger buy rate than Islam versus Ilya. Right now. So if you can get paid, Patty involved, I would include him. It's way too early to do this, but just for fun, because we haven't talked in a minute. Can you book me like your top three, even if you want your main card for the White House card? Who's headlining? Who's the co-main? What are you thinking? I haven't thought a lot about it because it's a year away, but I will tell you that car is going to be used as a reward. Everybody on the roster wants on that car.

But it's not a matter of I've done this or I've won that. Like John Jones is, for example, example. I'm the greatest fighter of all time. It's like, yeah, it's true, but you didn't travel the roads. You didn't set up the ring. You didn't take your turn driving the, the semi-truck. Like, you don't deserve a reward. But there are some other guys that I think have carried some pretty heavy water. Alex Piera comes to mind. Colby Covington, I believe, is a lock for the card. But I'll just remind you, it's going to be people, it's not going to be anybody that's been retired. It's not going to be anybody that's set out. Nobody is going to take those glorious spots except for the people who have earned them by showing their loyalty back to the industry

and to the company. And frankly, none of those other guys deserve them. John does not deserve to have a main event spot on the White House card. What about Connor? If Connor's ever going to return, there's something special to Connor and if you're trying to do really a magnificent night, if you get him on the card, you've satisfied everything. You've got the viewers, you've got the UFC power. I just don't know what Connor wants to do. I just don't. When I see Connor training, he looks good. His body moves in a good way. He's slow as molasses running uphill. And I don't know where that speed went. Sometimes I think he's doing Cata, because his form is so incredibly slow. And then I find out, no, that's full pace. I think

that that's very concerning. But I don't say that to put him down. He knows. He knows. When I went in the back to warm up for Craig Jones Saturday, that's when I get this reality check. Like the warm up that I used to do, and it's been five years since I've done it, that one way I used to do, and the way my body would respond. And I think that Connor knows. I think he knows that he's slow. And when I see Connor, it's not like we've turned a new page. He's not less drunk in interviews now. He's not less high on drugs now. It's the same amount. And when he travels around, and if you're ever traveling, you're not training. You can't do them both. You've got to be at your gym with your coaches or whatever exercise you do gets chalked up to a workout. It's not training. I

don't see him traveling any less like there's there's nothing in the conner bucket that is stronger today than was a year ago when he wasn't doing it so could you get connor i don't know if they could get connor would they use him yeah yeah they would use him he's done he's done enough good deeds that he could slip in and nobody would be mad so it's way too early but right here and now what's the main event for the white house card wow um or at least give me one participant but Like, who's the A side? Like, who's the guy that the thing, because that might be the most watched

MMA fight of all time, right? It's going to be... The main event right now, but also understanding that you're going to have two or three wins for both the athletes until then. The main event is Cosmachamaya versus Bo Nicol.

What? Serious. That's very likely to be your main event for the White House car. But again, you know, they both need a couple of more fights before them, but the calendar allows them to have it. They both get reasonable.

It'll be Bo versus Chamaya. You're serious right now. What do you think of it? What would have you said? I was foaming at the mouth to see that fight. Obviously, Bo needs to get back on track, and I have no doubt that he will. Zero doubt. I just don't know if the timing will work out where he'll be in the title picture with all those guys at 185.

Let's be honest, Hamza brings a little bit of baggage with him. Do you want Hamza Chimayev, best friend of, you know, a Chechen warlord? Yes. Do you want him to be your mom? main event guy couldn't come into the country for several years? Like, is that the, is that the move? It wouldn't be looked at at all. It wouldn't, not at all

would that be taking the consideration. Dana said very clear, I'm out on all that stuff. If you're the best fighter in the world, I'll put you to work. And, you know, Bo has played golf with the president. The president would like if it was Boe Nickel. We had a real American freestyle event two days ago and Bo participated and it was part

of the media. He went on Fox News and he said some nice things about the president. But the president then called him. Called him and wished him luck. You know, we're all standing around. It was a very cool moment. And, yeah, I think that Chima, no, the Chameh in the warlord. Come on, please.

Don't do that to him. That's somebody else that he just knows the guy. Either way, that would not carry over. Chimayev versus Nicol, if it was today, would be your main event. Wow, wow. Who wins, by the way? Yeah, who wins, by the way? How much would you like if Real American Wrestling or CGI or anybody, for that matter,

got those two juggernax together? Like, we all just want to see the takedowns. Can Chamehya take Bo down? Can Bo take Chamey? Like, that's what we really want to know. If I could see those guys' cage fight, or I could see the best of five takedowns, meaning whoever gets to three first wins, I'd probably choose that. Bo versus Chameh is very interesting, and it turns out that Chameh doesn't have the weakness

with his lungs. It turns out that he can push hard. He's a handful. He's a handful for any of the top guys. Bo is a little out of the top rankings, but provides for the hardest match. So do with that what you will. And I understand we'll need a couple of wins before, but I stand by that as my answer. Okay, one more before I let you go.

By the way, I just want to throw this out there. If the Paramount thing doesn't work out and if the governor thing doesn't work out, perhaps we get the band back together over here. I mean, you'll be free. You'll have a couple of dates free. Perhaps we get the band back together. What do you say? What do you say?

That wasn't the question, by the way, but it just got me thinking. It's just so much fun. Great idea. I would love it. I mean, essentially, we're doing it now. And I apologize. I usually bring you better spirits. No, I think you were great today.

Traveling. Yeah, me travel a little bit, so I'm doing my best here. I want to be a good guest for you. I love it when you have me on. But I love the idea of working with you, Ariel, if that was your question. I know how fake the offer was. No. I realize that you didn't mean it at all.

But in the spirit of hellfellow well met, like Shakespeare said, I'm in. We shoot with each other. True or false, you did leave me on red twice when I brought this up recently. I answer all my messages every email, every text, every phone call gets returned every day before I go to sleep. So if that happened. I'll send you a screen graph twice because then I followed up. What do we follow up with if one, either you or I, doesn't respond or doesn't get the text?

What is the usual? War. War. And I hit you with the war. Big capitals. I hit you with the war and I didn't even get a response. response to the war, which was like a knife. It was like a...

It's fine. We don't need to talk about it. It's fine. Would have at least got a smile from me. But just so you know, every day, every call, every text, every email, or I don't go to bed. Yeah, no, well, except for that one. Last one, I do want to ask you, Fernand Lopez said to me, and I keep thinking about it, never in the history of the UFC has a fighter had more pressure on his shoulders than Tom Aspinall when he fights Cyril Gan because of everything that's happened over the past year. I know he's playing mind games

I know it's a bit of trash talk but I do think there's something to that do you agree? Yes, yes. Coach Lopez doesn't get enough credit for one and people have deemed that he's this mean guy he just looks mean. He just got a mean looking demeanor

he's actually a really great guy and I just share for you that was brilliant. If the only thing that he got out of his mouth when he was talking to you was to put that and shove that up Tom's ass he did his job and there is a lot of moving

parts here, we haven't turned the page from John Jones. And we haven't turned the page because John can't retire. And we knew that he couldn't retire, but bringing in a common opponent in Surreal just put a lot of pressure on Tom. I mean, if Tom loses that fight, it's not a glorious moment for Surreal. It's a celebration for John Jones. If we had to get forced and putting John and surreal in a rematch of the world's most uncompetitive biggest flop, heavyweight fight of all time, that would really surprise me. I was surprised the organization went with Surreal, who's a perfectly nice guy,

but in the equation involving John Jones, I thought that you would eliminate him. And Tom does have to beat him, and he's got to beat him by finish, and he's got to beat him inside of about four minutes, or he had to work harder than John did. And that's not the way we're currently trying to tell the story. So yeah, it puts a lot on Tom.

Well, I can't wait to see how it plays out. I love you, Chale. Thank you so much for joining us. Congrats on a tremendous weekend. You represented very well, and congrats most importantly on the big win over Craig Jones's Sunday.

Three times. Tapped him out three times. Goodbye, Ariel. My lawyer will be in touch. There he is. The one and only Chalpeas son and the American gangster, the bad guy.

Tremendous insight and some breaking news that he is running for governor. How about that? Still to come, my friends, Alex Perra in studio. Andre Ward, Rampage Jackson, Luke Rockhold,

potentially with some insight into his future, but it's always a great honor and privilege to speak to one of the great boxers, specifically heavyweight boxers over the past decade or so. He returned to action in late June, picked up a win over Tyrell Herndon. His name was discussed on this program

just two weeks ago. We thought it would be a good time to catch up once again with the bronze bomber himself, the one and only Deontay Wilder. Kind enough to join us once again. Hello, Deontay. How are you, my man?

Hey, man, what's going on? I'm doing very well and yourself. I'm doing great. Thank you very much for joining us. Great pleasure and privilege to speak to you again. And congratulations on the win in June in Wichita. Lots to talk to you about. But I do want to ask, getting that W, getting the hand raised,

getting those feelings back, did it feel like you were all the way back? Did it feel reminiscent? It felt, I appreciate you asking. It felt amazing. It felt wonderful to get those hair raised again. You know, I've been through a lot. I've been through a lot of these last. four half years man and it's been crazy especially when you're dealing with betrayal and you

know I thought I had things under control but mentally I didn't and I acknowledged it early and I understood what was going on when I was having doubts within myself I started losing focus a lot start losing concentration I started you know not believing in myself because of the betrayal that was occurring with me and the things in the work that I've put in with these individuals and to see them do me like this, you know, I mean, it really, you know, but the thing is, the saying is the only ones that are the closest to you that can really affect you and hurt you. And, you know, unfortunately, I had to go through what I had to go through. I had to see a sports psychologist to get myself back together. I'm back

together. So that fight right there was a, it was a tester for me to see where I am. I'm truly back mentally like I truly believe I am because without the mind mentally everything crushed out you can train this how you want you can you can go through all the levels of of what you need to prepare for a fight and if you're not mentally there when it's time for that bell when that bell ring and say dean if you're not there mentally it's over with and uh I found myself back together so I'm excited I'm looking forward to the next one to uh to show truly who I am and what I am and the brain is damn

heavyweight division back to his happy days man it's dead again so I gotta save it by the way in the lead up to this fight in June were you still doubting yourself or was that pre-training camp like did you find yourself even questioning in the days in the hours leading up to the fight

if you still got it if you're the same old guy after my last defeat I got myself together that night you know I mean I you know with that With that loss, I fully understood what was going on with me because before then, I didn't know what was going on. I knew something was going on. Something happened. I didn't feel myself, you know, my focus, it wasn't as sharp as it usually is.

You know, I'm focusing on everything on the outside of the ring. I'm focusing on my personal lifestyle on the outside of the ring of what's going on in it. and not too much focus on what's going on right in front of me and I didn't understand how to hell I'm switching off like that when the bell ring

it's almost like a hypnosis type of thing ding, oh shit I'm while I'm here when I'm supposed to be fighting you know what I mean and it just it happens to the best of us and I realized it after that loss

I knew exactly what I need to do now if I would have won then nothing would have been changed dramatically and I still would have been suffering. I still would have been lost mentally physically and emotionally. So, you know, sometimes you have to look at defeats as a blessing in disguise or just lost in life period as a blessing in disguise. You know, for me, I feel for every lesson is a blessing for me. And it's because I have the power to change my future. I have the power to change the things that is not going right in my life and being able to correct

while I have time on this earth. Now, you've got to understand nothing is promised. Life is not promised. But the time that we have and the time we feel we have, we can make a stand. And I made a stand for that. And here I have returned because it's not a comeback. You know, because I never retired. I never said I was any of that.

It's a return. I had to get myself mental. I had to take a wellness check, get myself right, get myself back together, and here I am. You know, there's no quitting me, baby. What's the motivation? Why do you still do it? I see a door, you know, in the beginning, it was all because of my daughter that was born with Spina Bifida. And I just, I needed money. You know, I couldn't go to college anymore. I dropped out of it. And I needed money. I needed some money to support. So I got into boxing

knowing that, you know, you don't need college for this. Not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, not the, uh, a world of, uh, ass whipping. You know what I mean? Going out there, you, you just got to know what to do and navigate and survive in the ring. So I did that. So I only got into boxing because of my daughter that was born with Spina Bifida to make money for her. And I told her that I would be able to support her beyond her belief when I become a champion. And I did that along with six others after. And I just, I've been taking care of people ever since I was 12 years old. You know, I'm always have been taking care of people. I've never been single in my adult life. I've always, you know, had kids, been taking care of people and stuff.

And I've done that. I've done all that. You know what I mean? You can take care of so many people and they still is appreciative of what you've done for them. No, you know, you get a lot of them that are. And I can't, I can't, you know, look past the ones that are. But when you get the little small bunch, it really does something to you because for me, I risk my life, you know, for others entertainment.

I risk my life for my money. And, you know, when I do things great in this world, you know, I want to be acknowledged of that. And if things so happen to where we have to go out of separate ways, don't try to, you know, drag my name in the dirt. Don't try to do bad things or try to all of a sudden say, oh, all of a sudden you did this. I mean, I gave you so much, you know, many people want to say, I'm going to give you a taste of your own medicine. Okay, if you're going to give me the taste of the bad medicine, please give me the taste of the good medicine as well. Please return that in my favor because I am due to that.

But anyway, I'm so much better than I was before, and I'm just happy to be where I am now. And why I do it now? Yes. Because I'm selfish now. I was selfless when I first got into it and it was doing it for everybody else and, you know, trying to make a way, pay for the way, you know, building generation wealth and all that. And I've done that and I'll continue to, I'm going to continue to do that, you know. But at this moment of the time, I never really just did anything for. myself because I've always taken care of other people since 12, like I said. And it feels good

to be like, you say, you know what? I'm selfish now. I'm doing it for myself. So I'm enjoying myself while I can. You know, I'm, you know, I got 10 years left, you know, whether I commit fully to that or not. I got about 10 years left to do what I got to do to enjoy myself while I can at this last little moments of me being here and I'm and I'm gonna have a damn good time doing it. When you say 10 years you mean 10 years as a fighter like you're 39 now you want to fight till you're almost 50? Most definitely. Wow. You got to understand the heavy division you know we we tend to we tend to um can go a little bit longer than the rest being the bigger guys our division is not you know packed like the smaller division.

and different things like that. So, you know, we don't take too much of damage, like the smaller guys. Most of the smaller guys, their career is, like, around about 30, 30, age of 30 years, you know, you know, you see Bernard Hocken, he went to about, what, 49, 50, and then you got the heavy wage, they always go a little bit longer. You know, so I've gotten to this business at 21, you know what I mean? So I feel right now that I'm a, you know, I'm a veteran. I just got into the groove of things that understand.

understanding, you know, certain things and stuff like that. I'm not burnt out at all, you know, and I feel great, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, of course, age is what it is, but we get, we get older every year. We can't change that factor of things. It's just the way life is. You get older each and every year. But age, you know, it's only a number. It shouldn't define where you're going and what you're trying to do in your life. You know, age is only designed to put in a place of the structure of what you can and what you can't go. what you can and what you can't do, you know. It's only a number.

If we went off of how we felt, then, you know, a lot of us feel real young. Some of us would be young and feel old shit, you know. But it's a beautiful thing to be where I am in this place, in this mindset, and I'm just ready to go. I'm providing my service to my greatness each and every day. And when it's time for my name to be called and that bell to ring, I'm able to perform to the best of my ability.

I love it. And I want to ask you about the next step, but first, I do want to ask you about what you're doing next weekend with On Location, a great organization at the Canello Crawford fight in Las Vegas. What are you doing with them? Most definitely, as you know, you know, as you mentioned, you got the Canello and Crawford fight, you know, in Vegas. It's going to be a major skeptical of a fight. And you got On Location, which is the official experience of provider for the fight. And on location is the best way to experience it all because they get you closer to the fight in and inside of the ring. You know, I'll be there at the fight with on location meeting and hanging out with guests as well. And so go check out on location website and for VIP tickets, package, and go buy yours before they sell out, you know, because they're going to sell out. So I've seen them do this with MMA and with wrestling as well So fans can buy this and they can hang out with you meet you and other Celebrity fighters, legendary fighters, et cetera

Most definitely it's going to be a time we're going to have and I'm looking forward to seeing that one there I look forward to it you're going to go to the fight as well I I would imagine Yes indeed I'll be there You know I've been attending a fight in a long time so I will be attending and this is a epic fight you know I'm looking forward to I'm glad this This one was made. You know, for me, I feel the fans. This is one of the things that you say that the fans win at the end of the day, that no winners are a loser. For people out there who want to learn more about this, on location eXP.com is where you can get your VIP pass to meet the likes of Deonté Wilder and so many others.

Can I ask, who do you like in the fight? Who are you leaning towards? Man, it's such an epic fight, man. I'm wishing both, you know, the best of luck. I made the best man win in there. You know, there's two great fighters. If I have to choose one, I'm going with my man, Terrence Crawford. Okay.

That's your boy. Yeah, that's my guy. He's moving up to 168. That's going to be a scene. And I'm looking forward to it on Netflix, Allegiance Stadium. Again, on locationexp.com. And Uruiz will also be there if you want to meet the legendary heavyweight. Can I ask you about Francis Inganu?

Two weeks ago, he was on my show, and we talked about what's next, and he said he wants you. It's time. And then he posted something on social media, and you seem to have responded very recently as well. What is your level of interest in a fight against Francis and Ganu next? My interest is high. You know, I'm ready to go with anyone. You know, so if Francis is next, then let it be. You know, I'm looking forward to a great fight. with anyone you know they're going to give me back to where i need to go you know with this one i think it'll be more entertainment for fans uh in general than the boxing then the boxing uh you know the business size of boxing or whatever but every fight counts you know it gets you close and closer you know to what the goal that you're looking for and um and uh and uh fress has got the heart man he got the heart he is an mma champion uh heavyweight champion uh heavyweight champion And so that brings a lot of weight to it, but two strong guys, and we want to test out our power against each other's face.

So let the games begin. I'm all in, baby. That sounds like a good time, so don't be threatening me with a good time. Have there been any serious talks of putting together this fight? It's been talked previously back and forth, back and forth, but right now is, I would say, that it's warming up. Okay. He's warming up. He's acknowledged what he was.

want to do, set out the message. I've replied. I've acknowledged that I'm, I'm serious, I'm willing, and ready and able to do it. There is. Really ready to able to do what it takes to get this fight on. And here I am, you know what I mean. Made an arm, knocking off the trainer's arm begin. I got more, more bodies on me than him. I guarantee you that. But, yeah, but I'm ready to go anytime, you know, so I look forward to the next step of things and see how far get, you know, hopefully this is not a call me out to, uh, to get clicks and lights and entertainment. As you can see, I'm barely on social media as is. And I'm not interested in clicks and likes. Only in real things, please.

Would you say he's the frontrunner right now to be your next opponent? What I say he, it, would I say is he's the front runner? Yes. I, I wouldn't say he's the front runner because of other obligate, well, I wouldn't say obligations. I would say obligations. I say other things that we have going on as well no he's not the only one okay that we have we got we in talks with with we into talks how about that fair enough can i ask with who else uh i i i care not to say that the time as far as names okay you know i i like to let things marinate a little bit longer to get them because i mean being in this business of boxing man you can be excited, you know, about a lot of things and all of a sudden one little thing

and it falls through and you're like, oh, you know, you didn't told all these people try to, you know, do little different things to promote or whatever. So, you know, it's maybe it's a skeptical type of thing for me, you know, I just don't want to announce things. That's fair. For certain things, you know what I mean? Because, you know, when they're dealing with fights and, you know, we got a fight made, sometimes I can say I can see through a fighter and look past them to another fighter.

almost like window shopping, but when you get fights done and made, you know, you don't want to jump the gun too much because especially, you know, it's like the same, you don't put energy in what you can't control, only the energy that you can. So I'm reserving my energy. Would you say that you are going to fight again this year in 2025? Most definitely, that is the ultimate plan. Okay. And goal to fight again, yeah, hopefully twice you feel me so we'll see but realistically definitely another time i want to get out there as much as possible get myself back out there i'm fully healed as well my shoulders i had a uh four four year injury for maybe four that seemed like four and a half hell um shoulder injury and um

i'm fully healed of that that's why as you can see my videos i can i can extend my my right hand all the way out now you know instead of holding it back and stuff and i'm not in pain when i throw it When I used to throw it, I would feel the pain, but knowing that I still have to throw it, I would have to feel to go through it while, you know, while throwing my hands and, you know, whatever it was what it was. You know, I'm a true warrior. I'm a true fighter, and this is what we do, you know, only the strong survive. And sometimes you just got to go through it to get to it, you know, and that's with anything.

And, you know, I've sacrificed. I've dedicated myself to a lot of things, and here I am. I won't quit. I won't give up. I don't walk around with a white flag talking about surrender. I'll die for what I believe in and that ain't no lie. I saw, regarding the Cannell Crawford card, I saw a big baby Miller say recently that he was offered a fight against you on the undercard of that fight. Is that BS? Man, don't believe nothing that fool has to say, man. Okay.

You know, when you talk about a dude that's trying to steal a rental car from the rental place and got caught, I mean, with jail for it, You can't bleed crazy false, man. This world is crazy, bro. We've got a lot of weirdos in here. And he's one of them. And I mean, and I don't, I don't like, I don't like making false news or false announcements about anything. And then please don't lie on me, you know what I mean? I'm a fighter.

I'm a true fighter. When I come to people and they see me and when I speak, I speak truth. I speak peace alone with my truth because the truth says set you free. No matter what I say, I go to say. sleep great at night. I sleep great at night because I know that I'm living in my truth. You know what I'm saying? And I speak the truth, especially if it's something that I risked my life for. I have no reason to lie about anything. Anything that I've said in my career, it has been the truth. You know, sometimes people will take your truth and label it as an excuse.

That's all up to you. I told you the truth. Okay? You know what I mean? And that's just what it is. You know, as far as him fighting, he got to get out of the medicine, man. He on steroids, he's been on it for so long that he don't know how to cycle off. Because when these guys get on, you know, these steroids and try to cheat, it becomes in your mind, you know, it becomes drilled in your head that I have to have something in my body to make it perform to do something that it naturally do. Or I don't have the advantage. Or, you know, some people believe me if they ain't, if they ain't cheated. they're not trying, you know, whatever it is the case that will allow a person to want to cheat or

whatever, that's up to you. You know, I like to be a good, honest, truth of man. I like to see what I can do, you know what I understand me? Who am I? You know, with just the strength and abilities and the talent that God has blessed me with. I don't need anything inside of me to make me do what it does is supposed to do. And then in the long run, I'm reaping the percussion of dying or getting mentally ill or going crazy and killing all my families and shit like that because I'm I'm fucking taking in rat poison or or horse trance man let me stop yeah yeah no I get I get on somebody I get it can I just ask

were there any talks of you fighting on that car because it's obviously going to be a gigantic card with many people watching it the Netflix card um nothing nothing came to the up to our office okay nothing that I've been brought to my Well, nothing that's been brought to my attention. How about that? Okay, okay. You know, so we do got things in the works. We're coming together, especially after that last fight.

So you will be seeing me more. I love it. Trust and believe in that. And here we go, baby. Once again, you know, sometimes you got to pick yourself up. That's yourself off. Look yourself in the mirror. Have a long conversation to talk with yourself

and allow yourself to understand that I am you and you are me. And we are a team. We got to do this. Are you ready? let's go sometimes the pep talks in the mirror you know you need those things because if you don't believe in yourself then how can you you expect others to believe in you you know especially when times get hard people just start to quit people give up on you quickly you know when things ain't going everybody want to be a winner but nobody want to ride in the car the loser you know what

I mean but then when you're losing it's not really losing you just strategize it for a better outcome in the future so when they do get bad right ain't no more seeks left you know I mean, and if it is he left, it's just only me, so lo, dolo, and I'm pulling off. All you can see is smoke in the back, you know, it's only room for those that has been here since day one and trust and believe in the greater good, you know, for God love us, and I am one of his child. Well, we can talk all day, man. I love that.

I love it. I love it. I love when you get deep, and I'll let you go in a moment, I promise. But I was curious, what do you think of Jake v. Tank? What do you think of this fight that was put together last week? Jay versus Tank, you know, I really haven't had, you know, any time to really just process it, think about it, to be honest. If I can have that assessment of an answer, I just haven't processed it. I mean, even if I process it now, I like, you know, I mean, you know, whatever's good for the business, you know, whatever's good for those guys that they want to go out there, have fun and stuff like that.

It's all the depends on the purpose of what it's been done, what it means to both of them. I have no problem with anyone getting in the ring. You know, we all risked our lives getting in there. I just hope, you know, everybody have fun and do what you got to do, make it entertaining, make it exciting, get the fans what they want to see, and go home. That's it. You know, I don't really have strong opinions about things that others, you know, want to do with their lives. That ain't got nothing to do with me. I tell people all the time, although, you know, it's fun to participate in it and give my opinion,

but I really didn't process it, you know, and I, you know what I mean, and that's just what it is, but if it does happen, you know, good luck to both of them, you know what I mean, you know, I don't have nothing, you know, ill, I don't have an ill will, nothing to say bad about it, you know, it's all good, you know what I mean, if I do process, it'll be good, it'll be a good, you know, a little fight while it lasts. And on far as entertainment, concern, and I wish them guys, the best that's it uh two last quick ones uh for the longest time we wanted to see you versus a j you're both available and both seemingly wanting to fight at around the same time is he on that list is there any chance we finally see it uh shit it's up to real man like it ain't it ain't

never been up to me you know anything that i've done in this business has never been up to me you know, it's always, a lot of people have targeted if something didn't happen, then it's always the blame of me, of course. The darker skin guy, you know, blaming on him. It's his fault. You know, and then, you know, you'll get many that will believe and you'll get many that won't.

It all depends on who narrated it and who put it all out. But like I said, before, I have these lips has no reason to lie in this business or anywhere I am, man. You know what I mean? I keep it real. I keep it truthful because I risk my life for others' entertainment. I feel like I have the right to say what I want to say.

It's almost walking down the green mile, walking the mile, walking the green mile. Hey, when I'm getting rid, if I'm on, if I'm on death row or whatever, give me my meal, man. I order the pizza and the Pepsi and maybe one of my aunties hunting bungee case. You feel me? That's it. That's simple. I ain't asked for much. Let me get that.

I couldn't even get that. you know so you know it's a lot i'm sublimably speaking but it was a lot in there that you know there's a lot of lies and stuff man everybody knew i wanted back then i would have took uh i took i took a way lower percentage the anywhere would have ever you know just to prove that i was the best but i didn't get the opportunity and it is what it is i'm still here we still can get it on. I'm willing, ready, and able whenever they are. I'm not going to mention their names, and hopefully they don't mention my name until they are truly, truly ready to finally get this fight on. You know what I mean? And just no matter what happens, let's get it on once and for all.

And that's what I feel about that. On location, eXP.com, if you want to hang out with Deonté Wilder and Andy Ruiz next weekend at the Canello Crawford fight. Final thing, Deontay, what's the message Francis? Francis is watching right now. What's the message the big Francis? Hey, baby. Francis, let's get it on, baby. If you're serious about what you're saying, for I am serious about what I'm saying. Let's get it on once and for all. Your power gives my power. Let's test it out, baby.

Hey, if you're down, I'm down. We can go to the motherland too, baby. Africa! Let's go. Wow. What a scene that would be. Oh, my God. You're the man. Thank you, Deonte.

All the best. Congrats again on the win. Good luck next week and enjoy the show. Enjoy hanging with the fans. Appreciate your time very much. Yes, sir. I appreciate it, too, and I hope you have a beautiful rest of the day, bro. Same here.

Same here. Don't get some ice cream, man. You deserve it. It's hot out there. I appreciate that. You know what I will. I will. Thank you, Deontay.

All the best you. You'll send me your cash app. I'll see you some money to get one. Oh, wow. What a guy? All right. I appreciate that. My man. Thank you so much, Deonte. All the best. God bless. There he is. The one and only, Deante Walder. Telling us to go get ice cream. Yeah. I've had a lot of gelato over the past week or so. Why not? You know, we could all use a little ice cream. Tremendous stuff. On locationexp.com. They're doing amazing things with the WWE events, with the UFC events, with the boxing events. You want to hang with the fighters VIP packages on locationexp.com. In a matter of moments, we are going to be joined.

by Luke Rockhold in his first chat since the fight against Darren Till this past weekend. Alex Pereira in studio still to come. Andre Ward to talk Canello Crawford and other boxing news and notes still to come. And then we round out the day with Rampage Jackson, followed by your questions. A jam-pack day here on the program. A quick pause. We'll be back right after this with the great Luke Rockhold. Great day here on the program.

Still to come. Rampage Jackson, still to come. Alex Perea, Plinyo Cruz in studio, Andre Ward as well. But for now, we speak to our next guest. He was in action in the main event of Misfits 22 this past weekend in Manchester, going up against Darren Till. You know him. You just saw him. He's Luke Rockhold.

He's kind enough to join us right here and now live on the program. Hello, Luke. How are you, my man? It could be better, but we're good. Well, I appreciate the honesty. when I say how are you, I say that to all the guests, but like legitimately I ask, you know, physically, mentally, how are you doing? Obviously, tough night, tough loss, scary night. How are you doing physically and mentally? Physically I'm good. Mentally, I'm all right, you know. It was a

rough one. Didn't exactly go as planned, but this is the game. You know, I jump into the fire wherever I go. I don't really take warmups. I am 40 years old. And, I needed to get out there and test myself, and Darren was the best in this realm right now, and I came out short. Obviously, it was a bit of a new venture for you, the pro boxing route. You had done the karate combat. You had done the bare knuckle, but here's legitimate Queensberry Rules boxing. What were you feeling?

How were you feeling? Like the level of confidence. I know I saw the back and forth between you guys, the trash talk, all that, but like deep down inside internally, how are you feeling going into the fight? Because he had a little more experience in this world than you. Yeah, it was a new venture, but like I can recreate that every day. You know, the boxing ring, boxing gloves, sported a lot in small gloves. And, you know, there's things that are definitely different. It's not like bare knuckle.

You're not walking into it without complete. It would just a completely new zone. But there's a lot of different rules and different things and timing. and, you know, I went out there, and I think I did pretty well in the first round. I did my thing, and I just, I relaxed, and I got caught at the end of the first round, and you get caught that early in a fight. It's just, it's hard. There's no real coming back at that point.

Have you watched it? I watched it briefly. Yeah, quickly, it's not something, it's not one of those fights I want to keep going back into. I mean, the first round is the only real round. that matters. After that, it was what it was, you know. I mean, I had, I had prepared the best I could given the situation and I felt like I was doing my thing. I felt like I won the first round and I started to try to relax and just kind of coast off and my distance, my timing might not be where it was back in the day. And Darren got through. He got through when I,

on a good shot at the end of the first round. And like I said, you get caught later in the fight, in the third and the fourth, that your body's more limber and you're able to bounce back. He caught me early. He caught me good. And it's an uphill battle from there. Could I ask, is it hard to see that?

Is it hard? Like, you know, the ones who have been watching you forever, I remember you in Cincinnati. I remember you in the UFC winning the bell. There was a time I thought you were the best middleweight in the world. Father time undefeated. to see yourself like that at the end, that's you. It's not me watching Luke or fans watching Luke.

That is you watching yourself. You know who you were. You know what you could do. You know who you are as a person and athlete. How do you react to that? How do you digest that? Yeah, it's not a pretty one for sure. I haven't taken shots like that.

I mean, that's one of the worst I've had for sure. This is boxing, you know, and you're loading up and you're sitting down on big shots. And there's no other avenues to change the trajectory of the fight. I was thinking about kicking for a second in the second round. But, yeah, it's tough. It's tough. I did feel good, but there's certain things, man.

I just didn't. I could have prepared better. I would have could have took a warm-up fight, you know. You walk in and fight, you know, a guy that's seasoned and has had a few fights in boxing and it was a boxer. Like I said, I'm 40 years old and there's no time to waste. I was trying to get to those big fights, quote on quote, who are, you know, posing as fighters. So I saw when I woke up this morning that you posted last night on social media, ain't nothing like the fight game, love it or hate it. There isn't anything more real in this life.

journey and the people are always a blessing. You see what you see from the outside, but the truth is always far from. I got to thank my coaches, my teammates, my partners, and everybody that rides with me. And so I'm reading that, okay, and then I read this line, it's time to work on my golf swing. Usually golf is, is sort of connected to retirement. Is that what you were implying there? I'm not, yeah, I'm, like I said, I am 40 years old, and I can't be taking shots like that. I want a future for myself, and I got a lot of good things in the works. And so that's pretty much, you know, to round about that time.

So, I mean, there's not much left to do. I've done a lot in this sport. I've won my championships, and I've done karate combat. I've done bare knuckle. I've done boxing. I don't know what else. jiu-jitsu at the topest level you know i've i can compete with the best the best but i think it's time to uh to put the competition shoes on hold for for the for the time of times i don't know we'll

see it seems like you're struggling even saying it or coming to terms with it no i mean i there's other forms of competition uh for sure i think there's like to tell you the exact truth like i i did feel good. I was putting in my game plan and what I did. I had I had sparred maybe one time this camp. Unfortunately, I didn't get to spar too much. I had a little crack in my rib like before the first press conference. I sparred a big heavyweight and he hit him with a good shot and I thought I could work around it. And, uh, excuse me, once I'm saying. I got some work going on at the house. Okay.

Hey, Ernie, can you? Can you shut the door? I'm on an interview, please. Thank you. Yeah, no, I packed my ribs. I wasn't able to spar. I wasn't able to spar the rest of the camp. I tried to spar one time, and it ignited some soft tissue damage and stuff.

And so my timing just wasn't perfect, you know? I mean, you can hit pads and hit bad work and do everything. everything you can prepare, but you got to see punches. And I was getting off. I was doing my thing, but Darren is sharp as can be. And if you're not really ready for those moments, you're going to get hit. And I slipped up and he got through, and that was the wrap. And so when we go back to the golf and the retirement and all that,

are you at peace? Like, can you, do you think you can walk away now and not having niche again in a year or two to do this? Do you think you got it out of your system and you can walk off into the sunset and be like, I'm good. I did it all. Yeah, I think there's always going to be other forms of competition. There's always got to be something. I think that's what a lot of people miss and lose their mental health and their sanity through the process of non-competition. I believe in the Hormesius theory. I believe in risking myself.

I believe in hunting and being hunted. I think people, the greatest of the great people in life have always understood that. And, you know, you get to, you got to balance yourself through the process. Of course, business and different things that I've got a lot of different ventures I'm going with right now. But there's always going to be another form of competition. I mean, I'm not a big marathon type of person, but there's going to be something. There's got to be something. If there's not something, we all lose our focus.

So there's always, I think I recommend that for everybody. Competition is a beautiful thing in life, and it keeps you young, and it keeps you balanced. Like I said, there's nothing more real than fighting. And when you sign that contract, it puts everything into perspective, and it makes everything so much more real. as far as the fighting competition if this is the end do you leave with any regrets is there any sort of thing in the back of your mind that gnaz at you i mean of course there's always things that gnaw at you but at the same time i've i've done a lot in the sport i've i won a few strike force world championships obel i and i became the undisputed ufc world champion so

I'm pretty happy with where I'm at. Yeah. I still will continue to train. I still will continue to test people. We have a great thing here with the Santo Studio and the Jackson podcast. So we always have top-tiered talent coming through Newport Beach here. And I always like to test people. I might not want to take the hardest shots from the biggest hitters.

But I'm going to test myself. I'm going to keep pushing myself. But the real competition, I think, is going to be behind me. And I'm not taking shots like that anymore. I do value my health, and I do. I like to think clearly, you know. Yeah. So I'm going to go through a little protocol and get my head right, get things right, and clean it up.

If there's a new fan out there that wants to see, like, prime Luke, like the, the, the, the, the Luke that you're most proud of the achievement the fight the performance what would you say that is i i don't know i don't think strike force gets enough credit obviously uh dana white loves his pride days and we all loved her pride days but strike force what we didn't strike for us at the time and who we were was was pretty gangster you know i really i really think that we were the best at that time and and uh i was on top for for a while there and coming to the UFC was like my was finally like finally got it so i think jock ray was a great coming out party um i put it on jardine first michael bisbing it's just it's all about like where you are present in your head and really um not not looking ahead not trying to

be too much do too much um but i had some great fight. So that run after, obviously I lost Vitor Belfort in my debut in the UFC, but I think that really elevated me to a new level. After I lost a Vitor, I was able to put my ego aside and just let the fight be the fight. And then I won the world title. And then it's kind of like, you know, kind of like, that was like, I proved to myself. I wasn't. was the best after being strike force champion for so long it like i kind of let my guard down at that and then i was trying to be too much after that so i think the the best of myself was was that run right there i was on top for a long time and i lost an unfortunate situation with vitor i don't

think that was exactly right and fair by any means but it made me a better fighter and i i stormed through costa philipu besbing tim boch machita and wybman i mean that was a pretty good run man i remember i remember cincinnati like it was yesterday it's incredible it's 14 years ago next week that fight against jacqueray uh which is which is just wild but your previous fight to that one was paul bradley like you took a massive jump from the prelims to fighting the guy in the main event for the belt going five rounds and then it was like holy shit this dude i remember remember thinking that like this is the guy

that's going to beat Anderson Silva Chris got there before you and then eventually you got him but like the way you fought then

and then in the subsequent fights Jardine and Tim Kennedy et cetera I will say I will just say this look

I know sometimes you have talked trashed this and that but like it bothers me and you know I consider you a guy that I've covered

for a long time and we've gone to know each other I don't like seeing people say things about you now because they don't realize who you were back then father time like i said undefeated but the disrespect

annoys me i will say that the disrespect annoys me and i'm and i'm sure it annoys you as well we live in a world of fakes and frauds and and people that hide and judge and they can judge me for who i am whatever they want to do but i've fought i fought i fought the best and i've if you look at jocqueray at that time jacqueray was a killer Jacaray was nasty. Jacaray would have, I think he would have beat Anderson Silva at that time. I mean, what is Anderson going to do to stop Jacerai at that time? I really, Jaceray was sharp.

I mean, I think they took credit away from Jackeray when I beat him. And I think I was on top at then, and I approved it. So I'm happy with where I'm at. And there's a lot of good things in the future. So, hey. What did you think of Bisfit? did you enjoy misfits is well put together i think i think they're doing a great thing um i mean there's not a lot of credible fights i would say me and darren till definitely um i think

that the uh level was was up at this fight um there's some there's a lot of fun fights and i think they put on a good show for sure um they're well put together and they put they put matchups that people want to see you know and it's cool to see tony go in there and do his thing uh i think dylan is still an absolute bitch um i don't understand how that guy gets a stage and he like you know it's like it's like it's like a it's like a guy like stabbing his opponent in the back before like them stabbing some guy and putting in like some weak weak guy that doesn't shouldn't exist with you in there like the like the guy had no MMA experience and this kid gets in there and the guy it's supposed to be a boxer and he

ended up shooting in and getting choked out it's just like yeah anyway what happened can I ask what happened with you guys backstage there because we just saw like a couple of pictures and some tweets what exactly happened well you wanted to know the absolute truth absolute truth is that I slapped the shit out of Dylan and he so he basically he threw a waterball up my head at the press conference and then he he ran his mouth over and over like he always does and then we were I had just weighed in with Darren and I was walking back to the elevators and Dylan was walking out of the elevators and then he basically flinched at me and like said something like he's

going to talk shit and I just immediately just reached back and just hit him slapped him as hard I could right across the face, like not one of those little, not a loud one, a hard one, a thud. And then the Irish guy, Peter, whatever, from the side, he tried to, like, jump at me from the side as I hit Dylan, he came in from the side and tried to grab me. And then Dylan basically bitched and cried like he was going to do something, but he didn't have any, like he wasn't trying to get through these bouncers. they grabbed him and he was just he was putting on a show and then my coach was in the back trying to get my gloves worked on and get cleared through the promotion and Dylan was crying literally fucking crying in the back complaining saying he wasn't going to fight and his face was bruised being a little fucking bitch and then he goes on stage and says he he knocked me out he's a fucking absolute broad and a piece of shit

and any kid needs to step up and fight someone real. I would fucking kill that kid. I would come back to fight that kid. Now you're back. The retirement's over. With two hands behind my back, I would fuck that kid in the ass. Fuck. Oh, God.

That's a whole different type of fight. Geez. Hey, I'll bring it. I'll make it real dirty for that little swamp. Oh, man. Spomp rat. Did you see him again afterwards or was that the only direction? No, no.

That was the interaction. Yeah, that was it. that was it they had like 15 security guides in between us the rest of the time and they were just holding court at that point but i'm just tired of fake people man fake fighters that fight lesser beings i know guys like darren till deserves all the credit he's he's fucking good he is very sharp he's very clean and he deserves the big fights a guy like jake needs to step up stop fighting midgets and old men and fight a real man like Darren Till, prove yourself. He's not even a professional, like, you know, he's an MMA fighter. You get through Darren Till. Darren Till is a great man.

He's a great, it's a great promotion. I knew that me and Darren Till will build this thing up. There's no, there's no ill will between me and Darren. It was just, you know, we're selling a fight and we're building a fight. But Darren's the man right now. And, you know, I like to see real fighters succeed. That was the reason why. I did this in the first place to get to those guys.

And I had to go through fire, go to a real fighter, and then I came up short. I love to hear that. I love to see that photo afterwards of you too, because it did get a little bit heated in the buildup. You guys were on the show, the press conferences, all that stuff. But it seems like there's genuine respect. How far do you think he can go with this? And do you think he should cross over into, like, you know, legit pro boxing or just do more of this type of stuff? I mean, he's legit for sure.

I mean, I think he, you want to get the fights that people want to see. People want to see these big fights. I think Carl Frotch is a pretty cool fight. I don't know if he'll take it at this point, but the fight people want to see is Darren Till and Jake Paul would be a fucking, that would be a sick fight. That would be a great promotion, a great buildup, and Jake would have to fight somebody his own size with real skills. I think that's the fight I want to see.

I want to see Darren get that fight. I'm not sure if he can make his way out of the UK, but if they can figure that out, I think that's what I want to see. I mean, Andrew Tate ain't fighting Darren and nobody else. You know, I mean, there's only a few fights, but I don't know, that's what I want to see. I think everybody else wants to see that, too, at this point.

While I'm giving you an opportunity to address some things, what about David Feldman, who was on the show recently and said Luke Rockhold shit on the sport the sport just wasn't for him he opted to quit you don't opt to get knocked out in a fight but you do opt to quit he opted to quit who's David Filman he's the owner of a BKFC

I opted to quit David Filman should try to fight you fucking pussy he tried to back into me and tried to like skirt me out of like he tried you you tried to he tried to like pinch me on weight to try to favor Mike Perry in a fight like he's just

a slimy bastard that guy um you can shut the fuck up uh just people like that don't deserve to talk you know promoters that have never fought to say say what you say like uh what are you talking about where did where does he come up with that bullshit Because I said bare knuckle boxing is bullshit. It's dumb. It's dumb. Yeah, I think it's a pretty dumb sport. I think it's, there's no way to gauge distance.

And I think the bare knuckle kickboxing is more exciting. I think that's more technique to it. I think that'd be more fun. So it's a dumb man's sport. If you look at bare knuckle boxing, look at, there's no one who, you just run forward and fucking throw punches. like it is. And then the ring, the whole ring is metal. So there's no flow. And so you hit that bitch and you bounce back in. It just forces you back in. It makes a brawl. It's just

a dirty, dirty brawl. And, you know, some people want to see that, but I like technical fights. And that's just, you know, you look at the caliber of competition in there and it's the scrubs. When you come to the decision that you're talking about here, do you talk to other people? Do you call coaches, training partners, old friends, or is this all on your own? I mean, it's on my own for sure. This is not something I need to, I need to see something like that and ask somebody what they think. I'm going to continue to train and be myself and chase and challenge myself.

but yeah yeah i have i have been clipped like that since i mean i lost the yon block which is the last time i got put out so this is a that's a wake-up call and uh you can't keep taking shots like that i know the i know how how the brain works and and uh how life works so you got to you got to repair your your systems and uh you can't take shots like that otherwise you end up clamped up at the end, and I'm not trying to be a veggie. So what do you do now? I mean, obviously, you take some time off, but like, how is Luke Rockhold, you're 40, right? So, so how does Luke Rockhold pass his days? What's, what's the next thing? Like I said, I'm still going to chase myself. I'm still going to challenge myself.

There's all kinds of different things, and training will always be a part. Martial arts will always be a part of my life. It's a way of life. Competition doesn't always have to be that, that actual fighting competition has to be there but there's all the different forms i love to challenge myself in so many ways i uh i like to surf i like to skate i still like to train jih Tzu it's kind of gay these days but you know you never know what what was that about jih Tijuana what jih Tijuana i don't know i i feel like it's having a moment now no isn't it like Is it? I mean, UFC's in it, Craig Jones, it's getting a lot of attention.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't watch the CGI. Who won? Who do you think who won? It sounds like New Wave 1, but then they awarded B team, and then the homie stepped up and gave another million to supplement the wrong decision or something. I don't know. I didn't get to watch it.

Yeah, I saw Chale Beat Craig that I was impressed by with the pin. Yeah. Because he pinned him like one, two, three. He pinned him, right? Yeah, he was on him, both shoulders on the mat. So I thought that was impressive in like 30 seconds. But as far as like watching the full event, I didn't see it live. I was seeing some of the commentary from the first night that people were saying they felt

like there was too much stalling. There wasn't enough aggression that it dragged a little bit, that the quintet format. wasn't the right format that they should have gone to what they used in year one and then it seemed like Craig up the ante and sweetened the pot

and then there were more finishes and things like that I think he's got something special I just don't know how much longer he wants to do this for because I know he was frustrated with the Gable stuff pulling out and it's hard to put on

an event of that stature but what a promoter he is no Craig Craig Craig is a gangster of a promoter he sells it but it's a lot of money to recoup $3 million?

I mean, I'm pretty sure they're not pulling in $3 million. They did get massive viewership, but yes, it's tough. I mean, that extra million will set you back a little bit, right?

Right. But the UFC is obviously doing their thing, and it's hard. It's going to be hard to compete with their status at this point. One last thing. Did you get the settlement money?

it's coming nice it's going to be a nice month we got we got this paycheck pay-per-views we got settlements you know it's a it's a big big month it's going to be beautiful you know okay so life is good those are those are those are the biggest fights and those more settlements I don't know if people are aware but there's there's a there's a two or three more settlements and there's going to be a a nice revenue stream for for years to come Hell yeah, well-deserved. And then who knows what happens with the new deal coming through, right? With the big TV deal that they got, maybe the fighters will get a piece of that.

I agree. You could dream. Yeah. Much love, Lou. Keep dreaming, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Congrats on an incredible run.

Appreciate you coming on, and all the best to you. Thank you. Luke Rockhold, former Strike Force middleweight champion, former UFC middleweight champion. What a run, what a career, what a resume. Defeated the likes of Michael Bisping, Liotta, Chris Widman, Jacqueray Soza, Keith Jardine, Tim Kennedy. Won the belt in Strike Force in September of 2011, then came over to the UFC, had a great run there, won the belt against Chris Weidman at Madison Square Garden.

No, it wasn't a Madison Square Garden. It was in Las Vegas. I believe it was UFC 194, was it not? My memory serves me correct. UFC 194. Yep, there it was. The same night that Cona McGregor defeated Jose Aldo, December 12th, 2015.

All right. Thank you very much to him. Still to come, the one and only Rampage Jackson, Andre Ward. We're going to answer your questions. Let me put this on right here. Still to come on the nose. area-hawani.substack.com

is where you can ask said questions. Can you talk on my ear again, Frank? Yes, yes, I can hear you. Let me just put it up just a smidge. Talk again? No? Other way? Yeah, there we go.

All right, guys. UFC 320 coming on. up on the 4th of October T-Mobile Arena, two titles on the line. We do have Marab Duwally-Schvili returning once again to defend his UFC bantamweight title against Corey Sanhagen and then a massive fight in the light heavyweight division, a rematch of a fight that took place in Las Vegas at T-Mobile back in March, Magumad on Kalev against the former UFC middleweight champion. Against the former light heavyweight champion, the man who is trying to become a two-time light heavyweight champion and join just the likes of Randy Couture and John Jones as the only man

to win the light heavyweight title on two separate occasions. He is Poiton! He is the one and only Alex Pereira who is joining us in studio. There he is with Plinyo Cruz. Hello my friend, how are you? How are you? Good to see you. Nice to see you. Yes, Pena. What a shirt. Good to see you. Please have a seat, guys. So nice to see you. How are you doing? I like you, I saw you had a new haircut. You had like a nice fade and new facial hair. Now you're looking like old Poitan, but you changed it up a little bit. He said a little bit of a bit of a bit more, more back.

Now, it's back in the style Poetan, almost. So, before, like, before, I maintain, so, cabelo major, barba. And for the fight, it's that transformed. It's a careca, without barba. Well, he likes to keep the hair a little longer before, like, in the regular day.

a little more nice style haircut but come close the fights like to shave his head and get ready for it lock in yes bring the mic closer to you Plino if you don't mind yeah make love to it yeah there it is

well it's good to see you my friend it's good to see you as well huge fight October 4th UFC 320 the rematch it's been a very interesting road to get to this point and so if you don't mind

I want to ask about that because it seemed like for a while you weren't saying much you haven't really said much since the last fight you were on the show you did a couple things here or there. But Magomed, or someone tweeting as Magomed, continue to try to put out a theory that you didn't want to fight,

that you weren't available, that you were turning down fights. Can you tell us from your perspective? How did we get to October 4th? And were there other dates thrown at you that, you know, didn't fit with your schedule? Putting all together from since last time. From the beginning, because, you know, he said so much leading up to this,

and then we get the announcement, but what happened in between? Well, you're a guy that's a lot you've got more quiet, more calated and came here that way,

he said, you know, that's a matter that was offered to you know, but the Magumet constantly continued

talking about a lot of Jasseneer on the Twitter and all on the social of his people, we've heard of

you, he said that he says that he said the letter, you know, and the dates of your last one

to come to come all, how it was until get to now to come to come

Well, before the first I don't know what I don't know what I'm gonna I don't want to call it, I was with that Ev, not just with me, well, everyone knew that nobody has interest, yeah, to see him

and then, and then, and then, I don't know, who is who is who said, I was with mead, that I didn't want to accept a lute,

things of the type, and now, and now, saying that, I was with I was with I was with I was,

but I, yeah, I had a conversation with the FC, I knew the data So the carer said He said he was He was ready

In June, July, August, September The champion That's, you know He can't even He could even He's called a data to

Luter I Yeah, I did It would be August, but like August No, it And then October

So, we see the moral that he don't have with the F.C. Of, your champion

is, you're ready and to expect the disaffianate. Well, so, So in the case, you just

know, he'd never even had a programation, but he didn't continue to do the thing to happen. Well, start from the previous, before the first fight. Seen that the UFC, no, even wanted to put him in Alex multiple times said that he'll show interest in fighting him. They will not make the fight happen.

Okay, the fight happened, went the way that he went. Since then, we kind of had an idea when Alex wanted to fight him. Was already a conversation with the UFC, and this guy kept tweeting that I want to fight this day, I want to fight this day. Alex already had a time frame for August, could not happen in August because of the UFC

and then in then October but he's the one that kept saying I'm ready I cannot fire I'm ready I want to fight I'm ready I want to fight but seen that this do not even have power inside its own organization you know so on Alex's perspective he's fighting the time frame that he aimed for it

not that he turned down fire or anything like that he aimed for August UFC going to put together in August they pushed to October Did it annoy you when he was trying to kind of put out the theory that you didn't want to fight him Well, we've got a little sack of... He'd have to put this theory

that you don't want to be with him? No, it... As I had already... I had to have a date, certain. I had to me recuperate. I did four luts in less than a year. So I had to do that I'd have to be done that

I'd have to be able to and they'd have been to me that I'd be the next defiant. So, I just expected the best date for me. If I was the next disaffiante, they're

so, October, it's being a date very good. So, if he was a point in June, June, July, one date before this previso,

a we see that he's no, he's no, the champion will have to me expect to be.

Well, honestly, after the fight, he was expressed to the UFC, the Alex had to heal a few injuries,

take some time he fell back to back to back multiple times next year. He needed a little break.

I was promised for him that he'll be the next title challenge. He'll be fighting for the belt next.

The whole thing of Ankalav have said that he didn't want to fight, he didn't want to take the fight and stuff

But now, if this guy keeps saying, like, oh, Alex don't want a fight this and that, show that he don't even have power on the organization that they don't care about him. Was it true from your perspective that they tried to offer Yiri a fight against Ankolaev? Is that accurate? It's for you. You know, you know, it's true that they tried to offer us to pro rasker to to talk with O'Kalev? I don't know, that time, the Twitter and I don't know how it was. I became a little, so, shatiated, but, in fact, but, in the fact, I did it was wrong, because, you know, because. The F.C. was trying to put in a lot, and I, like,

how, like, me promenter, but I did it wrong in Twitter, in, to put what I wanted to do with what I'd like on Twitter, in instead of getting on the F.C. and said, poe, you said, poe, they're, you know, they're going to do it. But then, they, they understood, and I said, poe, let's do what you get. And, and they did.

And that time, you kind of, you got to get it to the internet? Yeah, it was, of surprise. You don't know what you had to do it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no fact, I don't know, some things, but, poe, it's a little bit of, like, fault of communication.

So a little bit was miscommunication because Alex kind of found out through social media, stuff like that, and he was upset back then, that's why he sent a Twitter, but he regreted it was, he was wrong because he didn't know talks that was going on, anything that was going on, so it was kind of miscommunication between camp manager and the UFC's,

no UFC's fault, so, and then, later like he just got this fight going on and that's what matter for it okay so can we clear that up because you you did send a tweet from your account and it seemed like you were upset and then you took the tweet down can can we clear up that that was him actually in the moment upset yeah he just said actually he said actually can't say so we can't play with that that was something so it's yeah yeah because boy it what happens i'm a good relation, with the FC, a good relation with my employees. So, so, the form that they

brought to me there, and I thought that I didn't feel like, and, boy, I did something, it's a little anti-ethical, you know, to, oh, I went there, and, for account, I didn't say to my employer what I did do, I went to do, I, like, like, a, like, a, like, a, like, , I'm, like, I, how, like, to put, you, can put, you, can put, you, can't, you, can

put, put, I, like, I said, it's a a good relation with the FC. I precipitated a little to have done this. I think if I had made a ligation before for Hunter, I think I would have resolved with this

without any exposition. 100% was like a communication was a little bit impulsive from him. He acted a little early because he didn't talk to our manager, like, you know, to be found out from Hunter. He saw the internet stuff and he felt a little bit hurt

because he was promised and acted out of shot, and then he sees that. And instead you just have a more mutual communication between camp, Hunter and everything. So, yes, 100% is all straight up now. I have a good relation with FC. Until that, after this Twitter, I, po, I conversed with Hunter. He, po, me explained, me, me explained. And I said, well, I need to me recuperate, there are some reasons and stuff.

And, boy, me attended the way that I needed. So I don't have a good relation. And I appreciate your FC. have an amazing relationship with the UFC, a very good relationship. Then later they got to talk to Hunter, Hunter and I explained to them, and then he said, okay, let's push this forward because they'll have a few injuries, so everything was good, but he had an amazing relationship with the UFC. He likes work for them. Over the past few years, you had an amazing schedule. You were fighting very often.

Now it will be seven months in between fights for you. Have you enjoyed the small-ish break? For most people, this isn't a long break, but for you, it feels like it's a long break. Have you enjoyed it or are you itching at this point to fight? The last few months, you're almost every two months. It's a bit from a lot of a lot from the other. And now, from the ultimate for this, will be seven months. It was good for you to have this break,

right? The people, it seems like it was quite a lot. But, in the fact, but, in the fact, you're trying with a lot for you to have this pause? Well, it's comparing with what I did, but I think it's normal what everyone does, seven months. There are people who are one, two years,

without, so I think what I'm doing is normal, and I need to do this, to recuperate a little of the body, like I said, for four luts in less of a year, who did this, maybe they did, but, I don't remember, but many people did this, so I think I had to have this recuperation, I've got these seven months, and it would be well, honestly, compared to

other people, he actually did the normal thing, some people take a year, some people take two years, but I think people got used to him fighting so frequently, that feels like it's a long time but he just is a normal spam for a guy at his level to be fighting every few months like that but no it was very good for him to take his time

and recharge. It's the same thing, the people compare my Luka with other other than I did. If you were going to compare, like, it's a lot of boston, like, compared with other than I did. So, then, po, the people don't know, no, not know,

even, even, even, even, I don't see that, I don't feel the same the same guy of the other the other the lutas but I don't I don't I'm going to

compare him with the other things that I did it's considered a lot of a lot of

Anka Laev people are used to great performance for him but for him he wasn't a crappy day

was a crap performance but even though maybe he won that fight you know what I mean was just not

the regular Alex Pere but he maybe did enough you know what I mean that fight that he didn't do enough just because maybe he didn't perform

like he did on the other fights. It's fascinating because the year prior you were the fighter of the year and you were on this incredible run and then you have this one sort of off night and it feels at least from my perspective I'm not you or you that so many people jumped off the bandwagon

do you feel that as well do you see any of that and does that annoy you? Because you, for example, you saw, because in the last you were a lot more-falon, you were the lot of year, So, there's just one a night not so

good, not was in a day very good. And it seems that more the guy just pulled out of car, yeah, like, of the hype, you know? You feel, more or less, that was a bit of this, too, that people gave a, some people, gave, the fans, jugged in a mode, me,

wrong. No, of reality, I don't, I don't see this in any moment of some, I, at least, even in the time, getting, all there, always, there, had comments, negative, that this is normal, and even when, I'm putting

Now, I don't see this, of fans, or of patrocinators. I, I've been good contracts. Renovee contracts, before I I perished, I renovated contracts. And, like, po, it's

different, you know, that no-to-acreditor. With the public, too, gang. With the carina of my fans, where I came, so, I don't see this. Honestly, I didn't feel that too much.

Even last year, when everything was going great, I had some negative comments, like on a regular people talk negative stuff but even though after the last fight that he didn't want fancy a lot of people supported him he was able to renew great sponsorship deals you know what i mean his popularity for him still the same the love from the fans i saw a video recently where you were uh on a scale and i think it said something like 240 um as far as pounds you obviously fight in the light heavyweight division can i ask how much do you weigh now he did a video that's in a balance with 240 libby

almost 110, that was in the FCPI. How are you paying now? Today, 106. Around 230 to 35. Okay, here's the video right there. So I think that's like 110 kilogram or something like that. Is that, is 2.30 what you would usually weigh about a month before a fight? 230 libres, 105, 106.

It's more or less that you peasant a month in the battle? It's more or less. It's, even, even, I just to take 106 kilos. Yeah, that's, that's the, that's the, that's the, the way he would do. Even for middleweight, he got to weigh to 30 at one point. Wow. A month before the fight. Was there any consideration before you took this fight about fighting at heavyweight?

Any consideration, before you took this, salute of you had to look at the peso pespeas? No, no, no, no, no. I'm, like, I'm a time parado. Uh, it's, uh, to go, uh, until to work to work to camp, uh, I thought some some some weeks So I think it's natural

It's natural Me, I'm getting mass, I'm doing those tents, training well, I think this is a thing natural No, absolutely none Just took some break Training hard

Training hard, training heavy You gain some muscle, gain some size, but all folks for this That was once Maybe a part of your plans Do you think that that will still happen at some point Or have the plans changed? You have part of your plan?

You think the peso peso Is your plan to your plan No, like I I said, uh, even, I said the possibility,

he's not in a piece and then, boy, my group came moving, like I'm like I'm

saying, I said, oh, you're going to go sub- and I said, oh, I don't see,

when my body, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, I'm going to get a much

the person, I'm going to do this. No, man, same talk as before me before me. People ask,

like, going light, heavy way, he's like, he's, he's to say, like I'm going to listen to my body when it's becoming harder

so the same way it goes here eventually if God gets harder for me to go like heavy way I'm going to go heavy way I'll listen to my body right this is the first time in a couple of years where you're you're the hunter

you're the challenger going for the belt does it feel different does the training camp feel different does your mentality feel different does anything feel different than when it was the last couple of years well this first meera this first year or two

that now you're the casser at the signetown in the way to be the casted,

not you do you in your camp, the your head to get in this position where you're

in this position, you know, I think, it's, no matter, if I'm going to

be training to do my better, to do my win a victory. I never think, oh, I'm just if I'm

got with some problem, I'm not even, you don't even, do the But I think, I enter in a

Lutta like It's a A lot, a lot without thinking that I'm the champion or if I'm being a

I go for a fight to win, right? I don't think if I'm the challenger, if I'm the champion, if I'm the champ I'm going to stall a little bit preserve myself

No, I go for a fight for a fight, you know what I mean? Whether the champion or no champ, I go for the same mindset to win. And so, can I ask from your perspective,

as his head coach, do you see a difference in him since the loss. No, but that for me was an off night on his last fight, so obviously the way that he's performing now and everything is much better right now. I think we cannot judge somebody for one day off work, you know what I mean?

Still the same guy, seen the same work, he's still grinding the same way. So I'm just happy what I'm seeing at the camp. He asked for me, he said, for me, I don't put you because of one night, everyone will be able to work, but for me, but for me, you're even a lot of the same peggas,

I'm happy that I'm seeing. there have been some people who have sort of maybe implied like oh you you're too rich now you don't have the hunger you don't have the drive you're too successful do you see this stuff and what is your response to this to people who say like you you aren't the same Poetan because you are successful you have too much money

and you don't have the same hunger and drive to be the man that you once were some people say because you're rich now that you don't have any of that form that kind of what you said for these people I think it I per die now, so

I'd have been to have I'm rich before well so if it's like that he should have lost before

because he was already rich before that fight you know what there was there was he said a he said

I don't know I don't know I don't know he said I think there's some fight maybe Chinese or something that say something

like that Zhang Ming Yang but he but he lost he lost to Johnny Walker yeah so he's rich I don't think he's Poetan rich

I don't think he's poor Poetan So he's maybe have a rich mentality Okay, okay So you see this stuff though It comes across your radar But you see every once These barbearches he says all bro He sees it all

He sees it all He sees it, he likes, he likes You like it, it motivates you Motiv, motiv, motive No, I think I'm I think he's funny, some of the guy, Well, the guys are bull, you know, the guys get to get,

well, he'll be talking to the other, see, hey, when it's when I'm, I evito to say, you know, for what I'm going to get talking, you know, and, boy,

the guy comes, like, many of the people get, and say, no, I'm, I'm going, I'm going to, I'm going to be the

first little bit, then he'll get, and then, you know, if the guy if the guy doesn't, you know, it's not much,

you know, yeah, you just think it's fun these guys sometimes they talk too much, like, there's some people

that just get in the UFC to say, I'm going to beat the champ. I say, bro, win your first few fights. Alex is being composed all the time. He never talks too much. He never talking bad about opponents. You never see him trash talking. He goes instead of for a time and see where he's at.

You know what I mean? He just think it's funny. Some dudes sometimes they just talk too much, you know what I mean? So when you saw that fight, your fellow Brazilian, Johnny Walker beating him, did you smile? Did it make you happy after he said that about you? When the Johnny Walker,

would the Chinese say that about it? Yeah, so Johnny Walker beat. beat the Chinese fighter, Zhang Ming Yang, after he had said this about him. So I'm wondering if he watched it and was happy. Yeah, because when you saw him when you saw him, you did a smile because of that guy was talking those things?

No, the better than, I never, I saw it after. Oh, you just saw it. Oh, after the fight? Okay, okay. All right, so it didn't really affect you all that much. But it is interesting when people all start having these theories about why you lost and you just say, it was an off night.

Nothing more, nothing less, you know? of course everyone has a theory but to you just think it's an off night brother like pretty sure some days you off or work sometimes i don't feel like teaching sometimes you just don't perform as good unfortunately in this job every night that you go to work supposed to be the most important night of her life right but we're humans you know what i mean it's hard to control performance mood energy so how can i judge being this guy for 10 years through all the glory belts ufc belts and all this performance i'm not going to judge you i see bro So, like, for me, I'm just happy how he's performing now.

The past is in the past. We're going to move on from there. We're going to keep moving. Those guys just to talk about because of this, like, we're talking to, like, who is the guy? Today, today, today is the day of the more fame, man, man. You see, that seems something. Maybe these guys like to talk all this trash,

because, and then look, right here, we talk about the Chinese guy, right? So today most, maybe his most famous moments being spoken right here, so, you know, brings hype. I did see video footage of you, doing a wrestling drill with all kinds of guys coming at you. Are you upping the wrestling training? Are you doing

more wrestling training in this training camp? He saw, he did he do the wrestling on the Glover, you know? You're saying more the wrestling in this camp? Ah, always. Since when I came here in the Glover, I don't most, many people who are saying, oh, boy, he's saying,

oh, I'm saying, po, I'm not, you know, I'm and not affect, you know, and no affect me nothing, you know, oh, poe, the guy will study and, oh, well, then So I'm just bathe in my head. The guy said,

you know, it's a place that you possibly can't get a lot, but why the guy don't bathe? If it was

like, oh, he just the head exposed, I'm going to be able to be able to he's not

so, he'll make a he doesn't do it, it's difficult, you know, when it's to happen,

it's going to be a lot of wrestling in our training. Don't get me wrong, that's what I built him

to be who he's in the UFC, was Glover style of wrestling the way that he trained. But some people sometimes talk too much Oh, he's showing too much

He's just showing things That's not going to affect him on the fight Even guys go, oh, he keeps his hands down Look at his head Okay, but go and try to hit his head on the fight See if he's hard, see if you can You know what I mean? So he just showed things that he wants to show

But yeah, definitely he's He's always focused on the wrestling For the MMA training, not only the striking But then, then, then from when I came Yeah, poor, I was considered Yeah, poor, yeah It's legal, the first, there was, you know, where I don't

see, and, boy, always I always, put, all the day, at least I'd even say a little bit in the strategy, the Globe said, po, let's try here, we'll try here, and I, por, I'd, poor, I'd put, I'd put, I'd love to learn. So, boy, since when I'm here,

I'm, if I'm wrong, you know, I'm gonna, poor, I'm doing priority to this, uh, and training well, and in the last lute, you've seen, you know, a guy that, theoretically there, was a specialist, uh, no, uh, but

I'm, I can't, I can't he's been almost four years that he's around here now training wrestling like that you know what I mean but that's since they won he was already an outstanding striking so Glover helped to put all the grappling together to put the take down defense to put everything right sometimes even the strategy during training is to strike he goes and try to do take down take the guys down so he's constantly trying to evolve last fight you guys can say whatever you guys want but suppose Giancaravs you had took him down 12 attempts zero success he he or someone on his behalf

tweeted in response to this video this guy bring punch taxi driver to help him with wrestling you don't need to worry about wrestling I'm going to find this big head again that's what he tweeted in response He said the guy's who he's wrestling with

He's like taxista, trying to put you to put you to back to you to help with wrestling no, no, no sense to be preoccupy with wrestling, that I will set your head grand again. Chama That's a great response That says it all

You've had some some rivalries in the past Isi Yiri even Artem in glory Is this one any different Does this feel any different You have various qualities in the past Like I said Pro Hasca, the Desania, the Bakhtov This is different of others

Or more a rivalry? It's a little different It's a little different The guys meant a lot of things and that's a little bit different because these guys lie too much they talk a bunch of crap so he don't think it's nice

okay so it feels different than it because with Izzy it felt very personal but now of course you're in a great spot it seems like you're in a great relationship is it just because of the lies or is it something different? Yeah it's great to say because for example it's like it's been

if in this or you know it's so many we're saying and this here's like this he's like he's in my cause of the mentiras. Oh, I would say, I hate lies. Wow, wow. So do you sense that out of him? Like, do you sense a different type of aggression as a result?

Yeah, like, I know that doesn't change the outcome of the fight because he'd know how to push that aside and perform like he's supposed to perform to fight anybody. Can not let your emotions take over you, but definitely, you know what I mean? Sometimes the way these guys talk, sometimes it's a little bit more, on my perspective, previous Those rivalries was in the ring and the real beef between men to men. But never disrespect. These ones will be more disrespectful. He said, in my perspective, if I think that this here, you're talking different,

I said, well, for me, no, no, no, no, in the training and in a lot, I know that you'll say that you'll never, say, emotion, influence to you to, but in a perspective of rivalry, the other rivalities that you've had, were in the and the and in the brave,

of the man, but never was disrespeatose these guys were more disrespeatose this case. Do you think

it's him saying all of this or do you think it's someone else? You think he says, or he's another person in the

other person. Oh, I don't see, the guy, he's a responsible, you know? Like, like,

like, like, that's all the side of my page there, I'm responsible. But many

many have said that, po, is the personer of, but I don't know, I think,

When when we say this, like when we're talking about what he he goes to appear

the company his name Ali he goes to see if he always I'm at least I'm in the

when the people are in the tellon that will see that people start and I

feel like he will be like he he's a guy who he's he's he's

he's in all honestly I don't know but at least on our side

Alex they want to do everything but let's say that he will not he's still responsible

for everything thing that goes out because it's his name, right? So I don't know, Uncle I ever not, maybe it's Ali, you know what I mean? Because Ali like to stand off a little bit sometimes, you know what I mean, put his name over there, Alex said that sometimes we're in the UFC, you know how they show the fighters on the screen, the guys' fighters. Sometimes he keeps looking to see if they're going to see the showing Ali over there because he liked to show border the fighters.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, he says, he likes this because he's ever seen any other strategy. It's a guy who goes to appear, more than the athletes. So if Comeessing They're saying Beastere In the radio

social Let's say Like you're Like you're saying Like you're It's like you It's like the It's all right

The time all We're talking about But he's talking about But it's done Mbop for him And it's a guy who likes to Apparce

I don't know I don't know The story I don't know I'm young in the art Marcial Even more

in MMA And like I don't know I don't see story Of almost Nobody You know, and generally,

as a businesser might have been an ex-athletta. I don't know what is the story of his, but the way he he presents

today as a company, he seems that he was a super-campion in the past and then he was a posent-o and now

he's agencian and not he's used to be used to be a athlete and want to continue but I don't

know what he is about him. I'm in the media, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

so, honestly, I don't know Ali's story, you know what I mean? I don't know his background, but we know that he seemed to be a guy that like to be on the media, like to shoot. Like even right now, look, we started talking about on Kalaev,

then his name came out. So good or bad, we are talking about him, his name is still floating around the media. And he said, Alex said that the way that he carries himself, he don't know about his past, but maybe he carries himself like if he was a super NBA champion, they're retired,

and now is a super manager, and now, but you still want to be relevant and stay in the media, He seems the guy that was used to with the fame, he started to continue because he wants to be more than the other than the athletes. Seems to be a guy that was used to fame, stop fighting, but now keep trying to show up using their fighters.

Everyone sees that. The division right now is really interesting because there's this title fight, but you also have Carlos Solberg against Dominic Reyes a week before your fight, and we had Khalil Roundtree, you beat Jamal Hill and then he's going to fight Yiri on your same card. First, can I ask, did you see the Khalil Jamal fight?

Okay. The division is interesting now that one of the last month's of your fight, will fight that Carlos Uber with Dominic Hayes, and then will fight the pro-hasker with the Kalil, for, perhaps, not the defiant number one. Then he asked, you saw the fight of Kalil with Jamal? I've seen, but I don't remember me right. Sibah, he don't remember too much

Okay, I was just wondering what you thought of the fight And their performances But you don't remember what really happened He just wanted to hear what you think of the performance of this, but you don't... Yeah, I don't remember the right Yeah, honestly Don't remember too much

That's fine On your card, Khalil is fighting Yiri You know both of them, you fought, beat both of them Who do you think is going to win that fight? In the same card that you You're going to win that fight? Who do you think you're going to the two there?

I have respect for the two. I just want to see a good a lot. I'm not here to I'm here to try to anyone of the two. But what I see is a little more difficulty in this fight for the Kalil. That the Jiri is a man who is a man who can't confunding

the Kalil. I don't know. But it's a little advantage I would give you a lot of respect for both, right? I think both of good fighters. I do not want to take side on this. I'm not trying to take side I respect both

Maybe Jiri might have a little bit advantage because the way that he moves he's a bit of an orthodox can make me be a little confused to Khalil But he's not taking sides That's fair

You're obviously expecting to win You're probably confident Who do you think of these four guys Would be the number one contender Like who do you think Would be your next fight If all goes well for you Or do you think there's a chance you win

And they do a third fight with you in Magomad All right, all done the certain, probably he's thinking confident to gain to gain, you're getting, what of these four, Dominic Hayes,

for the Haska, Calil, and the Carlos Uber? What of these four you think would your next defense of the centuron?

Or a third with a contract with O'Kalev? I think the UFC don't have this interest. I think Juan Cali

is the first to discard. I've just I've got to with Cali with G. Poh, two days, I think with Carlos Huber. I think with him.

And it's the guy who makes to be distinguishing, right? Honestly, I think Ankara have, I don't think the UFC will be interested in putting that again. Okay. Be Jiri twice. Defeat Khalil. So Uber seems to be the guy that is being climbing up the ranks and, you know, showing good performance. So probably him. They would never say it publicly, but I'm wondering, like,

Deep down, do you think the UFC, brass, Dana, Hunter, you know, the bosses, that they want you to win, that they want you to beat Magomed? They never said, they never said, but you think that, in the front of the heart, you think that elite of FC, Dun, Hunter, and company, who are that you can't get in this lot? No, I think so. Sinceranely, yes. You are in a movie coming out, right, called Oncelot? You're in the film, right? You're in the film, right? You're not.

Yeah. filmed it already? You've already? You've already. Yes. Finish. Yes. There you are doing some stuff.

Crazy stuff. When was this? When was this? When was that day? First, three weeks. About, about three weeks. Uruguay and we did some of the shooting in Uruguay,

some of the shooting in Argentina. It was like three weeks ago, I think so. All a few days. First time movie? First time doing a movie? First time. Did you enjoy it?

Gosted? It was different. He liked it a lot. It was different. How did it happen? They reached out to you? How did it happen? It was, not it was,

it was through my, it was my, it was a producer, like, I think, a better, maybe, uh,

V-a-24, yeah, is the studio. It's, uh, Edio, the, Edio,

or Joinia, uh, Braz-Leyer. So, they, 824 reached out to them. Alex And George, right?

Best managers on the game for us. And they got together with Brad Slater, famous Hollywood movie manager and agent. Rock, yeah. Yeah, so they all put, they reach out and they all put this together. Wow. So this is a big deal with 824.

They're also doing the smashing machine, which is coming out next month. But it's in the midst of the training camp, right? Was this a problem for you? Pooh, put him in a studio. We'll do the film of The Rock, now I think of the Marquette, that's out of, but it was in the main of the camp.

Problem for you? No. No, many people, Poh, did it, was what's the three, four months,

uh, if you get all the interviews, asking, how do you go to say, poe,

it's, so, so, so, I've been always training and, it's,

it's, to try to to accelerate, the last six months of the date of the lot of the

so, so I did, I went to the camp practically about, five, this is a

five, this is, there's more, seven Yeah, so I did. So, I was two a few years that I intensified

I intensified, so I don't did anything. Honestly was not really in the middle of the camp. He always

told everybody that he usually do a five, six weeks, six weeks training camp. Of course he stays in shape, right?

So the movie was far before we even gear up hard for the camp. We still about five weeks away, so he didn't change anything for him.

Okay, no problem. Nothing to worry about. No, not to be no. I saw a picture of one of your sons at a mouth garden, it said UFC 400 on it.

He was the older son or the... The youngest one, the youngest one, here it is. UFC 400. Is this at your gym, Plinyo? No, it's the Glovers, okay, in Connecticut. So is this the plan, UFC 400? This is the plan, UFC 400? So, there was, I think, more than one,

after, I don't know, two years ago, he, he took an interview with an UFC, and then, like, he said, he said, I thought, like, like, I'll look at a UFC 400. Then he said, he said, oh, did a media legal and all. And now, he was in Brazil. I said to do a proletor buccal

there, I know a guy, I said, I asked, the guy asked him what he wanted to put him he called his name of him, and he called him F.C. Fourcent. Like, nothing, not was I said, I said a lot of two years ago, he did an interview to ask

if you fight, he said, he'll fight on the UFC 400. Then a couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago, he did a mouthpiece. I said, what do you want to put on the mouth card? Then he said, I want to put UFC 400. Okay. That came straight up from his head.

How old is he? Quonsander he has he? 14. And the older one? 15. 15. Is it seem inevitable like they're going to fight both of them? Do you think it's inevitable because they're going to fight?

Well, I think there's all, so, well, I think it's all, to be good fighters. I, you know, I, it's, it's, like, compared to me, the conditions, I, po, I don't know, and I didn't know where, I'd trynava, but I didn't know where he'd get to get, they'd, oh,

there's all support, there's an academy, there's a team to train, boy, there's a little there's a little bit of

there, but it depends of them. There's people who have, there's people who came to that, but,

boy, at times, don't have an opportunity, no, don't have contact, and then it

can be back back back. If they, if they were these, these athletes, uh, really,

want to, really, want to do, they, they're all, you know, but there's people,

will be I like a reference, you will have the contact, so it's inevitable.

It's only depend on them. They have all the tools, you know, Alex, our managers,

you know what mean, only depend on them. Some guys have all the tools, have the talent,

doesn't have the opportunity. You know what I mean? They're very talent, they have a lot potential.

You know what I mean they have all the tools, so seems inevitable. Would you rather they don't fight or would you be okay

with it? If you'd he's okay that he wants them to fight really why is most parents i think especially ones who have become successful to say no i fought because i needed the money this and that i don't want my kids to do it why would you want them to do it because of my kids to do it why would you want them to do it because of those parents who are well said in this far as you don't have to do you don't want to you to look for this for what you want to you guys other? I think

I've moved my life through the sport, like I'm doing, with a problem with alcohol and everything. They're just, they're being created, are being created, put, in the academy, practically. So I think the education, the

discipline that they can have, I think that's, for me, is the most important. And the sport does this happen. And with talent, with all, with all, it will be very succeeded, too. So, I I think there's

all this honestly like for an example Alex had to start training because he wanted to stop drinking different reality

you know what I mean then they are raised inside the gym basically so they learn all the discipline respect the good education

so this is very good for them you know what I mean in general and plus the talent that they have so they have a big

big chance to become great fighters I I think it's good I think I think it's a risk

but I know I say those risks but I think iraido and he loves because those kids are actually really good they're really talented

they fight really good so he want to see them performing he loves it Do you think they'll be better than you? You think you're better than you? You know some people have a theory that if you're hungry

if you need the money if you have to survive you're going to fight more right and then when you get to the top there is a theory we've seen it with a lot of fighters do you ever have concerns that because they're different they're growing up in a different environment than you did that they won't have the same type of edge

that you had as you were climbing. Many of the champions come to the most of the champions come down, because they have to to fight for something, have to say, you know, the things difficult of life, pass by things difficult. You see preoccupied, as well,

they don't have this there, different than you've, this form of having to take to say, the, of, the things wrongs of life, superer. I think that all

a preoccupation but I think like many of the athletes the majority of the athletes have lived difficult and duras but I think

there are some it's a minority but it's a life good the parents a condition legal and this

not made what took the merit of these people and was a champion also I think they don't

have this life but I think for interest in something they will

don't have to find this, you know, to be doing to be able to there's case, but there's case of fighters that parents had a good life,

a good financial condition, the good support, they were able to still achieve something. You know what I mean? But it's up to them, you know what I mean, to find something

that keeps them hungry, to set a goal and to get where they want to get. Your sister, speaking of your family, just won the karate combat

flyway title in July, Eileen. first of all, what was it like being there and seeing her win that and second of all, when are we going to see her cross over to MMA? Here she is, and there you are Plinyo, so a great moment for you and your family I would imagine. That was the hair I was talking about

with the beard, that was the... Yeah, and there's the dancing, of course. What was that like for you to see her do that? A so your brother, just the moment of Caratacombat, in this moment, marvellous, that how was it for you to see her what you felt, and when you thought

that we'll be seeing her in UFC? Well, I'm very happy, because I think I was told about those my children, it's a lot of a lot ofage that I have, to be disciplining, educating, with my my brother is the same thing, like, with my life, like, so, she had a a new life, through the sport, so now,

with more this pass, being a champion, it, for me, it was a dream realized. It was awesome, because, you know what I mean, same has told about my kids, for it is my family, right? So to watch her like all from the beginning, to win, to achieve better things in life. You know what I mean?

So the big step, so for him, it was like a dream control. And for the UFC, also, we even, we even, we've even talked about this, poor, she don't remember, 33, 34 years. And I said to her, like, everything can happen, right? Po, there's a story, you know, is my her mom. Not so because of this, you know, but we know, but we know, But we know that this helps. The same thing is, Adesania,

we had a story. If not was this story that I have with Adesania, poor, difficult everything would have to be to take the opportunities. Many people are going to criticar this,

but will critic it because not are in a place. Many people would be, ah, I wanted to be a friend. Ah, I'd have a story like the Alex and the Adesani. Many people, but won't criticize, but I have to

have a moment, so I said to, I'm with an age, a little advanced, Let's get good results and we'll see what happens. Well, she's 33, 34 now, you know what I mean? And like he said, he would like to see her there. He talked to her and said, look, but the opportunity, right?

Like many people say, oh, but because she's Alex's sister, like, no, it doesn't matter. Alex, maybe he will not have going to have the success that he did because part of that was the history that he had with easy. Of course, and then his talent and his wins took him over there. So why not use that too? We hope to see her in the UFC one day. Soon, you think, is she ready? You think she's she's ready?

You think she's like, long? Yeah, long. It's, like, she said to me that I wanted to do a MMA. I liked that she said, because I think it's going to be legal. We hope soon, and yes, they actually call Alex

that she wanted to do a MMA fight, so hopefully soon. Okay, so maybe, like an LFA like you did, get her feet wet, and then UFC. Are you, maybe in LFA, I think, I think LFA, because the LFA, because the LFA, a level of atletters,

it's from, it's from the other than to the F.C., I think, like I said, the age, everything, it's a great provo there, it's a great proffer, you know, so if she'll pass

those athletes, the LFA, because she's done to be a great level of fighting, big feeder from the UFC, a lot of fighters go from there,

so for sure she can prove herself LFA, she'll make to the UFC. I know you're very proud of her. I also know you're very proud of the charity that you have back home in Brazil.

Tell me about what you're doing with the kids over there. It was a good good of your mother. I know that you have really good of your name of charity.

You're doing in Brazil. I'm a little a little for a lot of this way. Well, we're doing a project

in the Institute Poitan. It's in the area where I Nassie, in the Barre Watsteen. Today we're

we're still got with 700 and a little more than 700 inscriptions, we're going

very well. We're going very well. We have a class of kick-box Jiu-JITs, a class of

computer a class of English. This This is all gratuito, and, well, it's being a success and happy to be able to help these people. He's really happy. He opens called the Institute of Poitán.

The Poitin Institute is on the same neighborhood where he grew up in San Paulo, Bastini. Wow. And he teaches English, teaches kickboxing, he teaches Jiu-Jitsu for the kids. He has around 700 kids over there signing up, so it's good for him to give a chance to people and help people, help these kids. Wow. When did you start this? When did you start this?

When did you started this. I I bought this I think it's I think it's a year I'm in the no one

no one it's less of a year and it's a pretty and it's this this predde

just was danceteeria yeah had a lot of dance pshin a lot of

things and there had a class and I was poor I remember

I remember my and my my mom went to I was there and we

were looking because we had money to pay and we'd be there trying to learn some things for the other day

we're in a day we're in a terrain like in a terrain of a year we're trying to do the gopies of

capoeira and today I'm I'm able to I'm able to get more 700 children there

without not different of my time so it's funny because he bought the building within the past

year and it's a other building many things happened. We used to be a club over there, it's to be like flea market, and then at one point was a Capoeira school. Wow. So him and his brother used to go over there, but they couldn't afford the classes. So they would just pick and go play outside. We back flips trying to do what they were doing that, but they couldn't afford to attend the class. So then he came back, he bought, and he's giving the opportunity for all these kids to have the opportunity that he didn't have to train for free. Wow. Wow. What a story. Wow. And when did it start?

It started just recently? It's started just recently? It's been two months that we inaugurred. Oh, two months of the opening. Okay, and to be there for the opening, to do it, clearly it means a lot to you in your neighborhood, where you grew up, where you couldn't afford to go. Like, internally, what did that feel like?

Well, for you, to be in a place, you know, in your vicinity, what, what's in you, what you brought, this there? Well, today I see, uh, I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to be more veil. I started with 21 to 22 years of age I'm trying

to change my life not so being a champion but be a champion of the life also I've a problem with alcohol and

we know in the periphery what are the problems alcohol, druga so we're trying trying to try

this more sooner I'm with 22 years of age we're just we're trying with the kids are

with the school that are studying to start doing part of the institute have to be

studying So we're trying to not just to be a champion, but to work with the education of the kids. It means a lot for him, for an example. You know, it means a neighborhood that all bad things happen

with him was the alcohol. He took him 21 years to be able to quit, to get out. But it's good for him to be able to give the opportunity for these kids to stay away from drugs, from the alcohol, from the bad addictions of life,

and focus on the sport and give them a better perspective of life. And they can all train for free. Es paturina de grace. Ah, yes. All ages. What's all the age? It's, until 17, because you have to be in school.

Many of the kids, see I as a reference, and I see the Institute of Boatang, but it's, like, it's going to be out of school or not studying, but this is a form of to be not motivating. Because I know the difficulty that is not studying, because I don't conclude my studies. This made with that my life

was a little more difficult in this question, It's a question of learning a English. So, boy, the kid's trying to learn to to learn to fight? What's the intent? P, of being a champion? We're, like, see that many of the people

out of the back, it's getting in the FC, but in other events, international, and the, like, the English, does much fault, I see this. So, the kid wants to train

have to have good notes in the school, and have to be frequenting the other classes in the institute, which is the English, the computation. around 16, 17, they got to be on school.

Because Alex, for an example, he didn't have an opportunity to finish school. And that hurts him a lot through life. With his English now, with many things that are setting back a little bit, made that a little harder. So they make sure that the kids have good grades on school, right? Because to make their life better, and then they come over there, not only fighting, they're going to learn computer, and they learn English over there, too. Oh, wow, wow. So they try to keep school-age kids over there, up to 17, I think so.

How is the English these days? How about your English? Tell us something. What? I don't know in English, but I don't, I don't know in English. Yeah, that's good. What are you going to do to Maghomede Ancalaev on October 4th? What's going to happen?

What's going to do? What's going to happen? I, I go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I go, we... Yeah. Easy. How?

How? How? How? No. Maybe knockout? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.

Maybe. This is good. Is he practicing? Are you practicing? No. So you understand what I'm saying? You understand what I'm saying? I understand.

One, two words. How do you? This might be the first time I've ever heard you speak English. I am shy. You're shy. No, you don't feel confident speaking in English. I know, feel good. Live.

Yes, I understand. But when you live, this is good. When you live, when you're at home, you have to go to the supermarket, talk to people, you speak a little bit of English. You're in there, take in the market, you talk to people, you say a little bit of English. I always talk to someone. You're not always with him, right? Other guys.

Other guys. Never alone? Yeah. Never alone. He likes to walk on the way to hang around the guys Okay, fair enough, fair enough That was good though

For English was good now No, if I'm, now, I'm, to pass this lute here, I'm going to focus a little in English What happens? I think, poor, all this is possible, I'm a guy that have the difficulty

And, like, oh, I'm never I'm alone, I'm doing, I'm with Glover, I'm with the people who say English I don't want to practice because I have a very But I'm very much I've got to put in this lute, I don't

know how to do, but there's a strategy to me, to study in English and try to learn. Here he said on his mind after the fight, because, you know, if he's with me, Glover, the guys, he's shy and he let us talk for him, but he said on his mind that after this fight, he's going to figure out a way that he

can learn English and want to study. Wow. Get a tutor. Motivation. I like Maybe a tutor. Maybe a tutor. Come to your house. Maybe a professor in your house. Yeah, I was talking this in a car, with a little bit, with a Cundan. I said, po, I said, I've got to learn in English, there's no, no. I'll put it in the head. I'll put it in the head, I'm going to learn in English, I'm going to get a tutor.

Okay, and then the next time you come on, we do the whole thing in English. Yep. But you still come, you still come. No, no. No, okay, yeah. It'll be, in the next time. In the next fight. The next fight.

Next fight. Next fight. Maybe he comes before. next fight. Sure, sure. On the next fight, he comes and try to speak English. Okay. Your kid speak English?

The mulek fala. No problem. Maybe better than me. Better than I, I think. He's learned very. Okay. He's learning fast. By the way, speaking of people you're training with, who's the young man that you

have fighting in Risen? Oh, he's asked who are the guy that I'm trying in Rizing, that I'm training. Oh, of Japan? Yeah. So his name is King. He's four no, four knockouts. He's a rising star over there. He used to be a baseball player.

Wow. And he's just been training for two years, but he's a phen him. When I went the first time there, I took Alex with me. We trained the kids super talented. I just went again about a month ago. I'm his head coach now, so officially. And he is very promising. He's 6'8-265.

Wow. Jacked, super talented, great striker. And he's a big promise, you know. Where's he from? His father, Nigeria, mother, Japanese, but he's born and raised in Japan in Osaka, real Japanese rooted there. So does he come to America to train with you guys?

gonna come before his next fight step maybe a month for two in me and i go over there two three times like i went twice this year okay i go over there training for two three weeks i give him homework i do videos and this and then and then for the next fight we aim him to for him to fight the new year's even rising okay ufc already show interests and but now he have a contract rising so potentially gonna be a big heavyweight starting the ufc two one day do they train together yes they did train so they train so big guy yeah yeah great yeah great big guy really yeah well six foot eight six eight wow six eight half japanese half Nigerian yes but born and raised in Japan sure sure sure and a bit what's his name king yeah king yeah yeah

yeah 120 kage so 265 and last name Nigeria Edo polo okay so he's baptized actually king that's his name wow and he used to be a baseball player he used to be a baseball player and he only trained for two years so he started the same age that Alex started 22 wow and so he's 24 24. Okay. Heard four, no pro, never for amateur. Maybe him versus action. Bronson, no.

Yeah, it's going to be a little hard to reach up there. He said, he'll be difficult to fight with action bronze. He'll be able to try it on top. You ever trained with action? You ever trained with action? Yes, he did. My gym, yes. That's my dream.

To be at the gym with action. Hey, we're talking about him. He's got a message for me the day to train. I sent Plinyo some of my footage. He sent him my video. He made a video. He did. He did.

He said. Yeah. Good. Yeah, you're being kind. No, no, no, it was good. To make a violence of boxing fight. No, no, no, would you corner me? Would you guys corner me if I did it?

What a corner to find a corner if he would do? Yeah, we go. What a corner we would be? Let's go. The three of us walking this? We got to train. Yeah, we got to train together with us. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

Nutley. Yes, yes. He told me myself, he might train out. By the way, can I just ask, when you were in that moment, when you walk in there, like those shots that they do, they do such a good job with Yeri and back and forth, are you thinking of anything in that moment? or are you completely locked in where there are no thoughts? In the cage, when he's doing the...

Yeah, that whole thing. When you're in that kind of an encounter, in the octagon, like you did with pro-Rasks. Are you thinking about something there or is neutral? No, it's neutral. It's like, like, when you're sitting meditating, like, you know, like, pass some things in the head, because, oh, Luta, you're there.

You can't, you can't, po, I can do this. Oh, I can, I can also, I can take a bit more a porrada, so you have to take this, especially the part negative there's a maybe this could be able to turn neutral but almost like a meditating state

right he's in that zone over there try to wave every any negative thought that could influence on the fight things about some stuff right but most locked in. Looking in their eyes right looking in their eyes right

looking at all the time you will do that on October 4th with Magomed when you look in his eyes go ahead of October 4th of October Same thing always. What do you see when you look into his eyes? What do you see the condition? What do you see?

Uh... ...cara, not so, to say, what I see. But what I'm more... It's more focused, most, concentrated with me myself, uh,

without thinking in things negative. I think it's it. No, not that I look, and say, po, this guy can do do this guy can do or this guy is with

me or not with me, no, I, looking and showing that I'm concentrating to him. more like you with you than what he's there in that moment. He's not really looking like reading all these guys doing this. Like it's just him and himself.

Okay, okay. Empty his mind. Just concentrated. Well, I can't wait. Well, I can't wait to see you back. Thank you so much for coming. Always great to have you guys. Alex Pereer returning October 4th, UFC 320, Las Vegas.

Back in Las Vegas, you had a lot of great moments in that arena. You come back, same arena that you fought in March. a big rematch, but no prediction. Just a win. Nothing specific. He said, he'll be a marina that you're not going to win. Same perviso.

Same. Just a victory. Same. Only the win. What about you? Same. Nothing. Okay. Going to do a job.

Professional. 100% focused. He said, he said, you're going to do to do a job. 100% to put in the work. Shama.

Shama. Shama. Thank you guys. Thank you. We'll take a quick break. Say goodbye to the guys. Andre Ward and Rampage Jackson still to come.

Thank you, much to Plinyo Cruz. Hey, go check it out. Is the gym open in Manhattan yet? Yes, we are soft open. We had a little setbacks with plumbing and stuff. We're going to do the grand opening before the MSG card. But the class is already on, on a limited schedule, soft open. We are running a nice special right now for grand opening special. We already got a lot of sign up, so we kind of limited. But if one people want to secure, just go on cruise MMA official and then just sign up. And then the other one in Utley? 100%. Awesome. Awesome over there. Thank you. There is. Plino Cruz, Alex Pereira, don't go anywhere.

all right uh back on the program uh that was the boys in the back pre new york rick haircut right before the break um gc wearing the uh the yow ming the yelming road rockets old school rockets jersey prior to that of course the one and only alex preo plio cruz i'm psyched what a card that is by the way golly 3.20 is great. Ancalaev Perea 2. Marab Cori. Khalil against Yiri. I went strong on the Kh there.

Yeah, you did. I mean, golly, that is a great card. And, you know, you've got the potential number one contender fight. What a time for light heavyweight in that one week. You'll have Carlos Alberg against Dominic Reyes week prior in Perth. And then you've got Roundtree against Prochaska and then Perea Ancalaev, all within the span of seven days. So it will be a pivotal time in the light heavyweight division. Looking forward to that very much. Looking forward to talking to Rampage Jackson, he'll join us at 4.30. And in a matter of

moments, we are hopefully going to be joined by the Son of God himself. Andre Ward. Andre Ward is going to be a part of the broadcast team for the Canello Crawford card, one of the greatest of all time, retired 32 and 0 60 knockouts. I was going to say like somewhat like Barry Sanders in that he retired in his prime, but the difference is, and there was so much more we wanted to see from him, but the difference is he was a champ, and that's no knock on Barry Sanders, but Barry Sanders never won, you know, a Super Bowl or really had any success in the playoffs. Andre Ward left on his terms on top, and there have been times where people have tried to

seemingly get him out of retirement. And I know recently there was some talk of him and AJ and Jake Paul and all this stuff. But he is so good on the media side of things. He is so good with his interviews. His interviews are great. On the YouTube channel, he teamed up with all the smoke guys. So good as an analyst was a fixture on the top rank ESPN broadcasts. And I had an opportunity to work with him on the Taylor Surveillance. 3 Netflix broadcast, and he was tremendous with Sean Grandi, and the whole crew was great, and now he's going to be a part of this ZUFA boxing debut, if you will, on September 13th in Las Vegas, Allegiance Stadium, on Netflix, and they have assembled an all-star cast of characters.

Without further ado, let us say hello to the SOG Andre Ward, who's going to be front and center on that massive broadcast on the 13th of September rapidly approaching 10 days away. Is he there? Is Andre Ward there? Yes, I do believe he is there. There he is, my man. Hello, Andre. How are you? How you doing? It was great to call you a colleague for one night

a couple months ago. I had a lot of fun working with you and hanging with you. Likewise, brother. Well, you're just saying that. I don't really feel like you mean that. That's genuine. I typically. I don't believe. I don't mean it. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I appreciate. that and congratulations on getting this opportunity. Are you just the Netflix guy now?

You're the only one that crosses over from the, you're just the Netflix guy. Nice spot to be in. I might be. It's not a bad spot at all. How did this one come about? How did this opportunity come about to be a part of this first ZUFA boxing show?

I just got the call. And it's a no-brainer. This type of fight, this magnitude of fight. You know, and just every time, you know, I go to work and I'm at the desk on ringside, you know, I just try to do my job at the highest level. And I think that's being recognized, you know, I've been in the game a long time. So to, you know, get these opportunities, even at this, you know, 11, 12 year mark, whatever has been for me as a broadcaster, is a beautiful thing.

I think you are the best in the business right now as far as former fighters turned analysts, but we are human beings as well. There's no denying that you are friends with Terrence. You have a history with Terrence. Is it hard when you are calling fights with people who you have a. connection with, who you have a history with? It's not really hard. You know, I've done this before. You know, this isn't like, you know, an anomaly for me.

You know, I've called Shakora Stevens, Shakora Stevenson's fights. You know, that's somebody that's openly said, that's a little brother. I'm a mentor. That's my guy. You know, I can, you know, I can walk and chew gum at the same time. In other words, you know, you can have a past relationship. and this is like, again, not something that's, you know, strange to the business. You know, there's guys that you have a relationship with.

Yeah. There's guys that, you know, you may have, you know, an affinity for their story, their background. Like, it's not just a friendship. Some guys, you just like, man, I really want to see this guy do well, but he's in a fight right now, and I got to call it straight down the middle. So this will be no different than me. You know, I hear the, you know, the base, if you will, the fan base, if you will. you know, sort of trying to discredit.

And that's what they're going to do. You know, it's not that, you know, I'm biased, right? Like they say, it's that you don't see their guy the way they see their guy. It's that you don't talk about their guy the way they talk about it. And if you don't talk about our guy the way we want you to, then you're biased or you're a hater. And it's just, to be honest with you, man, I've been in a game a long time. 20-some-odd years total, it's really weak, Ariel, and it's really, you know, it's low-hanging fruit, and, you know, we got to be a little bit more sophisticated than that. And I'm not going

to spend a lot of time, you know, trying to convince people of my integrity or my professionalism. You just got to tune in and just for yourself. And just for the record, I wasn't even talking about that noise. I was just talking about, because you are right. No, no, I'm just, yeah, no, I'm just adding that in there because, you know, that's the element. No, I know, I know. But, like, there's got. guys who I became friends with and then I watched them fight and you feel something. I don't have to sit there and call it down the middle. I have no doubt that you were going to do that.

But just since you brought it up, like when you do read that stuff, does it annoy you? Does it get under your skin? No, I understand it. I've been in this for a long time. I've been dealing with critique and criticism and questions and, you know, people assuming your motive since I've been a kid. This stuff started in the amateur before social media was even a thing. So, and I understand what these platforms.

do they get people who otherwise wouldn't have a voice in a say in the matter and they, you know, say whatever they feel in the comment section and they just think that it means more than what it actually does. So I just have an understanding. And I just continue to do me, brother. If I listen to what people said and how they felt about me, I mean, let them tell it, I shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame. How did I get there? Let them tell it, you know, my podcast sucks. Let let them, you know, it's just, you know how. Yeah. Yeah. It's always going to be something. But I think the same thing that'll have me walk down the ring and see my family and be able to lock in and tune that out to understand the dangers of the sport, but be able to tune that out and lock in, it's no different behind the mic, man. I'm a worried behind that mic too. So it's not, I'm not going to be discouraged. Very easy. I feel like when this fight was first being talked about and even first announced, it was all like, man, Terrence is biting off a little more than he can chew. Historically 147 had the one fight at 54. He's going up to 168. But I feel like once we saw them face to face and we saw Kinella, it wasn't that much bigger than Terrence. And over time, a lot of smart people are coming out and saying, you know what, I think Terrence is going to do this. The motivation is different.

The skills are different. Like, I think he's actually going to do this. What do you make of this talk? how it seems to be kind of shifting in his favor, in my opinion? I think the initial conversation was warranted. He's not, he's not, he's, he's really moving

up three-way classes. Yeah. Last fight at 147, where Earl Spins roughly about two years ago. So it's really a three-way class jump. I think what people have to understand, and I had to understand this when I moved up to face Sergei Kovlev,

I went and I consulted with Mackie Shieldstone. And I kept using, the phrase, I'm moving up in weight. I'm moving up and weight. I got to get my body ready to move up and wait. He said, have you seen the scale lately? Have you looked at your body scan lately? And I think at that time I was like maybe 185, 188. He said, you're not moving up in weight. You're just cutting less. And that was like, man, I was transformative for me because I looked and I was like, man, you're right. So technically I'm moving up weight classes or a weight class in my case, but I'm really not moving up in weight. I'm just not having to boil myself down.

So I think that Terrence is going to be a lot stronger, and I think he's going to have better endurance, not being able to boil himself down like that. And even though it is a huge jump, I think we lose sight of the fact of how much he had to boil down and how gone he looked at 140. And even quickly at 147, it got to the point where you start to cut in the muscle mass, if you know anything about weight loss at a certain point. That affects you in a boxing ring. Boxing, maybe wrestling, and MMA are the only sports where you have to tear yourself down for two months or three months,

not just the training, but the weight loss. And then you have less than or right around 24 hours to put it back on, and then you need to go be great the next night. Everybody else gets to play or compete at their walking around weight or their playing rate. So I think that's going to favor Terrence Crawford as not having to boil down 25 or 20 It's probably going to be about 10 to 12 What do you make of the state of Canello right now

Because it does seem like he's He's received a little bit of heat And I think the last performance It was somewhat warranted because like the output Was historically low But to me I felt like he knew I mean Terence was sitting there in the front row in Riyadh Like why would you even put yourself in risk

When you've got this gigantic fight waiting for you like just get the win over skull move on get the belts and you get the big fight so how much how much do you chalk it up to like eh you know the motivation just isn't there because the opponents aren't on his level or maybe he's just getting older and as you know father time is undefeated great question i think i think a couple of things are true i think number one i think father time is catching up to canello but it's not it's subtle a little less punch out put than normal. Maybe the reflexes have weaned just a little bit, but he's still better than most fighters in the world today. I don't think the skull fight was a matter of age. I think

Canelo Alvarez is extremely crafty, not just in the ring, but up here. And it's similar to a football team scrimaging early in preseason. I'm not pulling out the playbook. I'm going to give you some mundane vanilla plays. We'll run some power left or some power right. We'll do a couple of slander. We'll show a little bit. But when we play you in the season, it's not going to be the same guy that you saw. So if people think that they're getting the Canelo Alvarez, their false growth, they're sadly mistaken. I think I think Canello did just what he had to do. but when you face a real threat and you're a great fighter

you elevate mentally psychologically physically because you have to Canelo Alvarez is going to be different come September 13. Are you coming back to fight AJ? I don't know, man. Come on. Is this real? This is not real.

I told you at the beginning of the show I don't say things if I don't mean. So it wasn't, you know, maybe a soft call out. I went to call out. It was just, I just was honest about how, you know, who I would come back against if I came back. And I normally don't have a name. I get asked this all the time. Who? Who? I don't know. People think for some reason I can still make 175. That's out. It wasn't easy making 75 in 2017, 41 now. But that's the type of situation that is dangerous

enough to make you prepare, but it's the right situation if I had to come back. You got to think about it. When you get older, you know, the reflex is winning a little bit. And of course, I think I still have a lot left in the take, but I don't know. And if you're going to deal with anything at an older age, you want to deal with more power and the size of an opponent and not skill and quickness and speed. That's, that's a lot different to, different to deal with than dealing with power. So, you know, that's how I look at it. So we'll see, man. We'll see. Is the itch getting more and more prevalent? No, I've been eight years in, you know, and it comes in waves. And like I said in the video, most days I'm content, Ariel being

right around man. Most days, I'm okay doing what I'm doing. And, uh, I love to commentate. I love to do business. Like the same competitiveness I have in the fight game. I'm like that in life. I'm like that with my investments. I'm like that with my business dealings. I'm like that when I manage my money.

I'm like that when I public speak. I want things to be right. I'm trying to be precise with everything that I do. So that stuff feeds me. And even being in the church and being a minister, like that's my true purpose and my true cause. Those things feed my soul. I'm not searching for what am I going to do next, but that fighter never dies.

I need to write, and I think I will write a book about this one day, because whether you're ready or not, man, you're going to have to walk away. And the thing that made you great, it's not going to go away. It's going to continue to burn, and you've got to learn how to manage the flame. Some days, you manage your will, and other days, you put out videos like I did. Right. Okay, fair enough. So there would be some kind of weight discrepancy there if you did fight it.

them, no doubt about it. Of course. There would be, and who knows if it ever happens. One fight that there will be, I think, a big weight discrepancy is Jake Paul versus Tank Davis, which is happening. Can I ask what you think of that? That is a Netflix fight as well happening on November the 14th. What do you think of that?

What do I think about it? There's not too many people in the fight game that's more of a purist than me. in terms of loving to see high-level boxing, you know, supporting the fighter, not just in the ring, but the business side and just wanting to make sure that fighters are done well or done right and presented in the right light and that they handle their business and they move on.

I'm a purest, but I don't really have a problem with this, and I don't think that events like this ruin boxing. In fact, I think it helps boxing in a sense, yeah, you're going to have people that dislike it, but they're still going to tune in. If it's such a travesty, if it's such a terrible thing to do, why give the engagement on social media?

Why give the engagement on TikTok and YouTube? Why are so many people going to pull up to that fight and is it going to be sold out? Why is they're probably going to do a crazy number on Netflix? I don't think people hate it as, as much as they say. Boxing is a tough game. Life is a tough game to make money in.

If they can figure out a way to get a bag, a big bag, I'm all for it. Now, if you want to get into the granular details about Javonte and who he should have fought, I think he should have took care of the Lamont Rope situation and then went to that, and that's what was reported. But you don't know what's going on behind the scenes. I don't know if Jake said, hey, I'm not going to be around

you know after that fight we need to do this now and it's it's a number that i can't turn down so i don't i'm not i'm not against it i don't hate it there's a part of me that's interested i want to see what's the size discrepancy the sparring partners for these dude that's going to be a crazy look for both of them in the opposite direction if i can see your sparring partners right jivate and see jake paul's farm partner yeah it's a great point it'll be a crazy photo op but the fight itself Ariel, I like, I like good fights and I want to see, I want to see what's going to happen. How is Javentay Davis going to deal with the size discrepancy? How is, how is Jake Park going to deal with a guy that's the smallest Javonte Davis?

Call me crazy. Okay, fair enough. No, I mean, we're all going to be watching. What you think about it. Listen, we were talking about this yesterday. It's fascinating because in the world of MMA, freak show fights, meaning when there's a huge weight discrepancy, especially in Japan, back in the day. The UFC was built on freak show fights, right?

Hoyce Gracie was fighting dudes who are like 50 pounds bigger than him. We celebrate that. And yet this is sort of like one of the first freak show fights to cross over to boxing because everything is so rigid with the weight classes. There are so many. Everyone loses their mind. And so it's funny how in MMA it's like, oh, yeah, sign me up. But in boxing, it's like, hey, the sanctity of the sport.

We need to. So there are still some questions that I think need to be answered. What weight is it going to be at? Is it going to be an exhibition? Are there going to be any sports? I think it is an exhibition. I think that came out. Okay, well, okay, is the Georgia Athletic Commission going to sanction it as such?

I'm just, I'm curious as to how they're going to break it down. But Jake is in the spectacle business, and he did that against Tyson, and he'll do that again on November 15th. But even, let me say this real quick. Even Mayweather and McGregor. Yeah. Oh, my God. How? How is this happening?

I loved it. I loved the press tool. And I worked for ESPN at the desk for that fight. I loved Floyd being older. And of course, everybody thought Floyd was going to beat McGregor. But I loved the pre-fight. I loved the fact that they made the kind of money that they made. These dudes that been fighting their whole life, they got the scars to prove it.

He got the cauliflower ears. He got the scars. People keep saying Floyd is the best defensive fight every all time. He may be, but you think Floyd ain't took punishment in sparring and in fights? If you can do a fun fight at that stage, in your career and in your life and make that kind of money, and let these fellas eat, man, let them get their money. One last one, and I'll let you go.

You mentioned ESPN. What do you make of the state of Top Rank? You were associated with them for so long. They're looking for a new TV partner. They've got great fighters under their umbrella. I mean, Christian Ambili, I'm so excited that he's getting this opportunity. I'm a huge fan of his fighting out of Montreal. But Top Rank seems to be sort of like in a transitional phase.

I don't know. What do you make of them? I can't really speak too much on it. I don't know the inner workings, and I haven't been tracking. with it, but I will say this, you know, they are in an in-between stage. And, you know, in most businesses, you're going to have moments like this. So I'm excited to see what they do and where they land. You know, I think having somebody as powerful as top rank with the stable they have, if they're involved in boxing, I think boxing is better. But it's going to be interesting,

you know, to see who they attach themselves to and where these fights take place at. You know, it's an interesting time with, you know, TKO and Turkey and Saudi. It's just an interesting time. And I don't know, people keep asking my opinion about everything. And I don't have a big opinion. I'm a watching C type of person. I'm a person that likes to give things time to see it play out. And I think that's the same case with Top Rank right now.

It's a fascinating time. I love that you're a part of it all. I can't wait for it. September 13th on Netflix. Everyone's excited about Connell Crawford. I'm legit excited that my boy, Christian Ambili, is getting this opportunity on such a big stage. I can't wait to see the production

all the little things that go into the fight game I can't wait and I do have to give you props before I let you go Art of Ward the logo right there love what you're doing on YouTube love the interviews

the chat with Stephen A recently was great it's very hard for a fighter and athlete to go from being the interviewed to the interviewer it's not an easy transition

and you're doing it really well so kudos to you my man keep it up and looking forward to hearing you on the call in 10 days time brother appreciate it you keep doing what you're doing as well

man you you know, you sort of a rabbit, man, you're leading to charge. So I'm watching too, and I appreciate what you've done for as long as you've done. Thank you, Andre. All the best to you. There he is. Andre Ward, a part of the broadcast team on the 13th of September. A very familiar voice and name to the MMA community is going to be a part of that team as well.

Love to see it. John Anick going to be the play-by-playman, which I think is great. There's legends involved like Jim Gray, Andre Ward. Skipper Kelp, they put together a big-time team. And as far as production goes, no one's better than WWE and UFC. They are taking those two squads and putting them together to put on this show. I think it's going to be a spectacle. It's going to look like WrestleMania at Allegiance Stadium.

And so I am looking forward to that very much on Netflix. It's going to be a scene. And shout out to Christian M.Bili. All right. Still to come, your questions, area, hawwanda, substack.com. what a day it has been. We started with Chal Sunnan. We then went on to Deontay Wilder. We then moved along to Luke Rockhold, essentially announcing his retirement from real active competition. Alex Pereira and Plino Cruz stopped by in studio. We then went on to Andre Ward, and we finish up with, without a

doubt, the most requested guest. And I think the one that the vast majority of you are impatiently waiting to hear from. He needs no introduction. He's been in the game for a long time. We've had many, many conversations. I am looking forward to this one very much. He's the one and only Quentin Rampage Jackson. Kind enough to join us on this Wednesday afternoon.

Rampage, my man, thank you for doing this. I appreciate it. No problem. How are you? I'm hanging in there. Okay. Can I ask, what has life been like for you? Obviously, no one needs to preamble.

we know everything that happened with your son on August 23rd, you don't need to hear it out of my mouth, but what has life been like for you since that date? It's been crazy, man. Like, people act like, I fucking did it. You're getting a lot of heat.

I'm getting a lot of heat. Like, I beat somebody's ass. Do you understand why people are coming after you because it is your son, or do you think it's unfair? Honestly, I think this is happening pro wrestling before.

What Roger did was uncaused for, and I know it affected a lot of people, but I didn't fucking do it. I think because he's my son and his father is a public

figure, and they want to come out to me. like um and uh people automatically assume that that um i'm going to defend my son and i'm going to like try to pay to pay pay people off and get them out of trouble i'm i'm just as mad as roger as they are i'm just as mad because um roger roger lied to me because i was live streaming when he got hit over the head with the can and and i called on like son what's going on like what's going on like What you're doing? And he didn't tell me nothing about them working him into a match so he can get his revenge.

So he gets his payback because he'd know I would have told him, take his ass home. Because the day before, he just got almost got knocked out in the gym. So Roger, no. And then so at first, you know, I had to get an attorney to all that and turn and told me not to say nothing, not say nothing. Then I'm seeing everything unfold online. I'm getting all these DMs. And I'm like, nice turn racist. I got racist people saying stuff to me and my DMs, which is okay.

This happens every now and then, you know, just randomly somebody say something racist. But now I got the racist people threading me and my family like my other kids. I'm like, what does he got to do with race? One man hit another man on the back of the head with a can or whatever. Whether I heard it not. People calling a prop can. It was a real can. It was out there drinking beer.

And then the other man decided to retaliate. What do I got to do with race? Why people bring race into it? And then I started talking about it, and people, you know, twist my words and stuff. It's the weirdest thing. It's the weirdest thing. So I give a little statement, and I get back to what I was doing, streaming and stuff like that. Because I really enjoy it.

It makes me laugh and, you know, keeps me happy. I know everybody don't understand why I do something to stuff I do, but, you know what I'm never growing up? I'm a big kid. So what? I give it back to streaming and stuff like that. And so I'm getting all this hate and stuff from that. And so I'm waiting for PsychoSoo to get out of the hospital so he can tell his side of the story

because this is what Roger told me when I finally talked to him. He goes there to stream so he has some content to stream because he's friends with one of pro wrestlers. And I've been there before. I've been to those shows before with the same guy. with Andre Mina, you know, and I've been there, and those guys are normally cool. And he said, Psycho Sue was drunk,

and he hit me upset with the head with a can, and I didn't know nothing about it. And he embarrassed me on my stream and everything. And he said, I was scared to fight because I didn't know if those other wrestlers was going to jump me, and I know I wasn't supposed to be fighting because I got this concussion, so I didn't know.

And I was really upset, and they told me I can get my get back in the ring and I and I think the world got mad or whoever people got mad because they don't understand pro wrestling you know they didn't know that they wrote Roger into the show they thought that he was a coward and he snuck in the ring and beat the guy up while he was

working like they don't understand they wrote Roger into the into the storyline and Roger said like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be in character I'm live streaming I'm gonna be in character and I'm gonna fuck him up and they told me I can fuck him up And people get mad at Andre Manna, Andre, Andre, everybody was stupid, and that whole thing was stupid. The whole thing was stupid.

But I think the only one that tried to salvage the thing and had some common sense was Andre Manner. He was like, man, just get your receipt. Just hit him one time and let it be gone because Andre heard them tell Roger. You can fuck him up. See, this is the thing. They don't know Roger. Andre knows Roger. He trains there with him in MMA.

So Andre was the only one of trying to like save Psycho Sue in the whole day. situation. He said, no, you remember what I told you what the receipt is? Just hit him one time, and anybody got to have a problem with that, I'll come deal with it. And Roger acted like he, you know, Roger acted like he understood what Andre Munn said,

and he took it to himself to hit him a little bit too much. Now, Roger was wrong. As soon as Psycho Stu got knocked out from that slam, Roger should have, like, left him alone. He shouldn't hit him no more. Like, all right, you got your payback and stuff like that. Roger took it too far.

And, you know, but I don't, I don't appreciate people paying attention to misinformation. People just, just took this stuff and took it out of portion and to get clicks and to get money from social media or whatever they do. Just saying, like, my son snuck into a ring like he wasn't supposed to be there. And that's not fair. We haven't heard or seen Raja since the night, since the incident. How is he doing? I don't know. I don't talk to, I don't talk to, I don't know.

Since then? I talked to him. I heard the story and I heard, heard something and stuff. And then after that, you know, I learned a whole lot of stuff and I bowed and everything. Roger, Roger's wrong. He, he went against what I told him to do. And he hid the fact that he got wrote into a pro wrestling story. Roger is not a pro wrestler.

He's a, he's a fighter. He's not a pro wrestler. He had no business in that ring. everybody there was wrong and um yes my son took it too far but he he knows better he knows he's wrong for um getting involved in a pro wrestling match you know he he he wasn't supposed to do it he i i told him he couldn't even go to the gym for two weeks so did you know where he is now uh most likely he's at home uh we've been waiting we've been waiting for a restaurant when you get a restroom, I was going to turn him in.

We've been waiting for a rest of one or whatever. And I got him a turn. I did what I, what my job is as a father to, you know, still take care of my son because I still love him, even though how upset I am in my son, I still love him. You know what I'm saying? He's my son, but ever since he's become an adult, he don't listen to shit I say. and you know I

all I can do is like be a father but Roger know I keep it real you know what I'm saying I'm going I'm going to keep it real I'm not going to lie for him and nothing like that

and he knows that I'm going to give my opinion that he he shouldn't have he shouldn't have been in that in that ring he shouldn't even as soon as cycle

to hit him in the head he should have handled it right there and when I when I waited for I waited for everything. I called Psychos, too, and I left him a message. You know, I wanted to talk to him and see about this. This is right before I knew everything.

At this point, all I knew is that Roger, I knew he got written to the storyline, but I just knew, you know, Roger heard him really bad. So I called him. I left him voice message. He never called me back. And so I told him in the voicemail, you know, I want to talk to him so I can hear his side of the story and everything because I'm a dead. I want to make everything right.

right. Psycho stew never got back in touch with me and everything. And then I'm hearing all these other stuff. The pro wrestlers are not meant to talk to the police and stuff like that because they were drinking backstage. Psychosu was drunk. And like I said, I know people are there.

They work there. I'm friends with one of them. Say psychosude, it's not the first time he's done stuff like this. Drunkily, like, hit somebody or did something backstage. And then I saw I paying attention to it. Right before Roger got in that ring, it was four dudes in there. And then Roger got in there, and the referee didn't touch him.

They took those guys a long time to get back into the ring. And then after they finally got Roger off the damn guy, Psychosu's opponent pins him. And I'm like, I'm looking at this. I'm like, what's going on here? Can't they tell that this guy's hurt? Can't they tell that this guy hurt? Why would they finish the match and penned psychos too?

After my son hurt him down. I said, you know, all these guys, all these guys are in it. It was the dumbest thing I ever seen. And now my son, you know, dragged me in there. And I feel like, based off the threats, I don't take kind of the threats. And it seems like my life and my kid's life is at risk. And I don't know any of these people. So I don't trust none of them.

You know, people driving by my house slow and stuff like that, you know, so I'm just, I'm just like, you know, like, Roger did something really stupid, and he, he streamed it all on, on, on, on his platform now. Now, it's done, it's nothing wrong with stream. I heard what you said about it. There's nothing wrong with streaming, like, there's been hundreds or maybe thousands of people streaming, and they never have a stupid stuff like this happened. Roger just, he just, just got it out of hand. But one thing that y'all don't know about Roger, I know about my son, is that I'm going to keep it 100. Like, he, he just don't, he just don't take bullshit. He felt very disrespected that got hit him on the back of the head with the can.

And the only reason why he dropped it and let it go is because they told him you can get your get back in, in the ring. We'll make something out of it. And you can fuck him up in the ring. Then Ross, oh, okay, then. And then I saw the video. he went to talk to PsychoSoo, they told him what to do. And he was like, okay, I understand it now. I understand it.

And people saw the video, and they took it as, oh, he apologized. So why did he sneak in the ring? That's the misinformation. That's why so many people mad at Roger, because they think he just snuck in the ring and attacked this, man, without Psycho Sue even knowing when it was coming. Stupid. The one part that I wasn't clear about was he was obviously invited by AJ Manna to come to the event. Was he invited just to watch or was he invited to partake in the event?

Did they think that he was there to be a participant? And that's why Psycho Stu started doing the thing that he did and then said to him, hey, you're not going to sell it? Like, was he there just as a fan or was he there? Hey, guys, Raja Jackson, the son of Rampage is going to be here. He's going to do something backstage. He's going to stream it. What was his invitation like?

Roger was there just as a fan and he could stream. He's friends with AJ Man. And he can get some backstage footage. and stuff like that, not many streamers get to, especially on Roger's level. One thing about Roger, Roger and I have been streaming for a couple of months. Roger has been trending on social media.

He was getting millions and millions of views, me and him joking around and, you know, talking shit about each other, hitting each other in the nuts. And, you know, and the people call it, I'm bullying my son. Man, we are making content, being funny and stuff like that, you know, joking around for the camera and stuff like that,

you know, streaming. You know, so Roger had been going, Roger been going mega, mega vibe before this happened, you know, millions, I'm talking about some of the videos getting 12 million views. So he's just going like, there's a fan to have something to stream. He was supposed to be sitting there and, you know, being at a pro-repancy event because his coach was on his stream and his coach did really well on the stream.

They raged better his coach. And I was a cameraman for that in the gym when his first time streaming with him. And it was hilarious. It was funny. And his his community loved AJ Mena. And they were like, oh, yeah, just go see him do some pro rass. That's all. From my understanding, and the Psychos

Sue didn't know him from Adam. They didn't know him from Steve. He just walked up behind my son and hit him in the head with a can, a beer can and people online arguing that it was a prop. That shouldn't even be the argument. It was a real can, but the argument it didn't hurt. My son said,

it didn't hurt. Psychosthew, he did it like a pro wrestler, so it wasn't like, you know, my son got hurt from that, but the thing, what it was,

it was like, he embarrassed him. Like, he just hit him and didn't say anything to him. And then he was, then, then you can see Psychosthew

grabbed my son by the neck and stuff like that on the stream. My son felt very disrespected. He felt very disrespected. And he didn't, and he didn't like that. Like,

nobody, nobody would like that. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not justified what my son did. I understand. What my son did.

It did. What psychosu, it didn't, his punishment didn't fit the crime. But Roger didn't try to kill that man. Roger didn't know that, you know, it was real bad, but he didn't, he wanted to fuck him up, but he didn't go on like, oh, I'm going to kill this guy. He wasn't thinking that.

Roger is actually one of the sweetest people that you ever want to meet. Honestly, he is. But just don't fuck with him. He's like me. I'm the sweetest guy you ever, ever want to meet. The nicest guy. All I want to do is make people laugh and joke around and stuff like that.

But don't fuck with me. Don't come in, do, don't hit me and fucking grab me and ask me to sell. Go sell it. Roger don't know what selling it is. He don't know what that shit means. He's not a pro wrestler. You're not going to sell it. You don't know what's going through his mind right there.

All he knows, he's like, this guy disrespected me on my own platform. And people don't understand that. And the shit just got out of hand. You mentioned some of the comments that I made about the streaming. It's because we were sitting there watching him read the chat, and it seemed like the chat was egging him on, and that led to him explode and go, as opposed to the receipt, as you were talking about,

like go way over the edge. And that's why I felt like it was toxic and dangerous. And someone should have said, yo, man, you need to leave. You can't do this. You shouldn't do this. It's not smart. I'm going to keep it a buck.

I'm going to keep it a buck. I'm going to keep it a hundred. Yeah. There's a lot of toxic people that can be in chat and stuff like that. And when I first got, I got Roger into streaming, and I told him, man, don't be out there reading that chat like that, blah, blah, blah. And he told me, he was like, I was in character. I'm going in here. The shit happened live on stream.

And they told me, you know, don't sell out wrestling. He was like, he was in character. So he didn't give a fuck about what chat say. You know what I'm saying? He's an MMA guy going to a pro wrestling ring. Like some people, some kids, some people, they think that shit's real. But the thing is, Roger really, really did hit him. And you can see one guy tried to pull Roger off and Roger still going and hitting him.

But then you see Roger throw some punches that lands in the air and lands on his, you know, stomach and stuff like that. And it seems like Roger was really trying to sell it. But Roger really hurt that man. You know, Roger could have killed that man. Like, you could kill somebody if they knocked out and you keep punching him. Like, that's, that, you know, what would we be if Roger would have killed that man? What would we be? Thank God, Psycho Stude, you know, saying pulled through.

You know, I wouldn't wish that on anybody. But like I said, I stopped this until the attorneys. I got really upset with all the death threats and all this stuff. And I wanted Psychosu to tell his part that my son did not sneak up on him. And I never heard him say that. So now I'm upset. Now I'm upset. Now I'm upset.

with psycho stew because he didn't come out and say oh whoa whoa yeah what roger did was fucked up but he didn't sneak in the ring and do this the shit was staged that's that's all he had to say to get some of these racist ass motherfuckers out of my dms and when you say say like he hasn't said anything yet you mean like a statement or something like that right he should he should he's seeing all this shit how it's fucking i fucking um blew up and stuff like that he should at least said something okay take take some accountability like honestly everybody was wrong Roger was the most wrong

everybody was wrong but none of this shit ever would have happened as psychos dude never hit my son on the back of the head with a fucking can that they was drinking beer out of

and then grabbed them by the fucking neck asked them to fucking sell it if that shit never happened none of this shit never happened and the promoter was the promoters was wrong

for putting an outsider inside a motherfucking pro wrestling match everybody's wrong the dumbest thing I would fucking see It's a fucking nightmare.

Are you surprised Raja hasn't been arrested? No, honestly, I'm not surprised that Roger hasn't been arrested. Like, I feel like the police are doing like a deep investigation because this is not the first time that something like this has happened

in pro wrestling. It's not. It's just a high-profile case, I feel like, because it was live-streamed on a different, it went different than, then, let me explain something to you with live-streaming. Live-streaming, You have people watching your streams just to clip yourself to post it on their social media to go viral, right?

So this shit went more viral than if somebody regular was just filming there with their phone. Like, it's already a community tapped in watching these live streams so stuff can go viral. And people never seen no shit like that because it looked like Roger snuck into a wrestling ring and came up behind a pro wrestler and beat the fuck out of them. When that part was staged, the part that didn't look staged, it didn't seem staged, that Roger took it too far. But that happens in pro wrestling at the lower levels and stuff, you know what I'm saying? You guys got to, like, do your research. Like, it was certain pro wrestlers that did that. They hurt people on purpose.

They just did that, you know, some, and there's hardcore pro wrestling. It's different shit. But Roger, no nothing like that. I'm not taking enough for my son. Any man that beat somebody like that. entering they should face they should face some consequences but I don't but I don't take kind of the people call him my son like a like a cage animal and say he don't got no undeveloped front of lobe and stuff like I don't I don't take

that kind of because you know anybody can in anybody in a race can can explode when they're pushed anybody I saw the the statement that you posted on Monday and then in the comments you were saying to people that you think he should go to jail right yeah yeah Yeah, if the judge thinks he to go to jail, yeah, I think Roger should go to jail so he'll learn not to do this shit no more. Like, you got to control your emotions. And I think, I think, I'm not saying, like, people saying he should go to jail for, you know, 10 years. No, he should, he should go to jail and not prison.

He should go to jail, do a little time, and then get some therapy, and learn first. this is what people don't understand. Like, when you train a martial art, you have great power, great power. Like, you can hurt 99% of the population on the earth. You shouldn't know how to control that. Don't you know I get fucked with all the time? You know how many asses I want to beat,

people that fuck with me? You can't go around. You can't go around beating everybody by the ass. But mind you, if I was there and somebody came up behind me and hit me over the head, would it can't i'll just kick his ass right there and i wouldn't care about the other pro wrestlers jumping me that's what roger said the only reason why he didn't kick psychosu's ass right there and there he thought the other pro wrestlers was going to jump on him see that's why i'm different from roger

i wouldn't care i would i would i would have hit him right then and there and anybody that's that grabbed me i would attack them too you just don't do that you just don't do that are you expecting him to be arrested i don't know i don't know like i'm accepting what i like whatever whatever just is he get, but I just, I'm, you know, if they try to give him, like, years in prison, then I'm, I'm here fighting because I don't think he deserved years in prison, but jail, yeah, let, let Roger go to jail for a couple days, so, so he'll see what, what is like. So you'd be like, man, I don't want to come back here no more. You said this, this, a lot of stuff has been brought back to light in, in light of all this. And I think you said on one of your streams that,

like, you save some money for your, your two kids to go to college and money to bail him out. Did you see this coming with Raja? Did you think that something would happen? Did he seem troubled? Eric, Eric, you of all people, you know that I'm a comedian pretend to be a fighter. That's a joke.

I originally told that joke years ago to Joe Rogan in the UFC. Joe Rogan was like one of the first comedians that I ever got to know in person and I never really say this, but I was trying to impress him with my coming. And he laughed and I loved it. And so, and, you know, Like, that's me talking to chat, and I retold that joke years later.

You know what I'm saying? I thought it was a funny joke, but now that shit ain't funny. When he was walking afterwards saying, I'm not going to be disrespected. I'm no one's bitch. I'm no one's bitch. I was wondering if that was him just speaking about the moment or, and you would know better than me, like him blowing up after years of feeling like he was being disrespected by people. What was that?

What was he? No, Roger told me that they told him not. that he has to sell it because he's live streaming. So his whole thing was to get their get back, fuck up Psycho Stu and then leave and sell it.

Don't make it look like pro wrestling it's weak. So basically what he was telling me is that he was selling it. He's live on stream. The whole thing happened live on stream. He can't break character and now say that shit.

So he was leaving, but yeah, he fucked the guy up. I don't know if he knew how bad he fucked the guy up because the whole, if you think about it, Psychosu was supposed to get fucked up. Even in the script, Psychosu was supposed to get fucked up. That's why you see that guy penned Psychosu after they got Roger off of him. Roger was, he was like, they told me to sell it.

I sold it. And he did exactly what he was told to do. Fuck him up, sell it, and get the fuck out of there. He said, that's what he told me. Do Roger always tell me the fucking truth? No, but in this instant I kind of believe him because I've done some pro wrestling

shit before and you know what I'm saying Like one time Tito Ortiz hit me in the head with a hammer at fucking TNA and I'm flying out the next day and the guy sees me at the airport

like damn you heal up fast you're not you're not in the hospital I'm like oh yeah yeah I hear fast because TNA told me even after the show is done you got to fucking act like that shit's here hurt

I'll say I'll say that I'll say that with my hand on the Bible there was And it's true. And the pro wrestler to tell you that shit. There was that interaction where Stu apologized and your son accepted, but at the same time, the promoters are telling him like, you're going to get yours, you're going to get yours.

Do you think, based on what you know, do you think Stu knew that? Do you think they told Stu that, hey, you know, we're going to do this in front of the camera, but then he's going to come and interfere in your match, or did they not tell him that? Yeah, yeah, Stu knew that. And that's why my son said, all right, if I come there and fuck him up, then, yeah, that's fine. I'll be okay with it. And that's why Stu came over and shook his hand and everything. And Stu knew that it was, he knew the script.

He knew that that that's why, look how big psycho Sue is how small my son. Psycho Sue let him pick, he let my son pick him up. Okay. But it seemed like the slam was a little bit too hard because it looked like Psycho Stu was knocked out right at the slam. But I don't know if my son knew he was knocked out right in there because that was in the script. He was supposed to fuck up Psycho Stu. and so he knew

and that's the only reason why my son accepted his apology he said all right if I can fuck him up because what mind you my son is live streaming on his own platform did you speak to him before I know there was that one conversation

but did you speak to him before he went in the ring about what he was planning on doing no he didn't tell me he was going in the ring I was live streaming in New York I was with sneako I was hanging out with Jake

Shills, and my chat telling me, hey, man, your son is getting jumped by dudes and tights. So I called my son, hey, you get jumped by a bunch of dudes and tights, what's going out? And he was serious. He said, oh, then I saw watching the stream, and people were telling me, they see me a clip of him getting hit upside the head with a damn can. And he hit the fact that he got ridden into a pro wrestling match because he knew I would have told him to take his ass home because he got a, he got a fucking concussion.

Right. So what did you tell you? You know, he just told me, oh, everything cool. He hit me in the head with the can and it didn't hurt. And then he said, everything cool. And I said, I said, you good? Did you get done? He said, no, they didn't jump in. He said, everything cool.

I'm live streaming. And he kept it short because he was live. He was talking on the phone in the live. Like, we don't really like talking on the phone that much when you're live. You don't want to text that month. You don't want to talk. You want to, like, concentrate. Sure.

And so he hit the fact that he was getting their ring. And that's part of the reason why I don't fuck with Roger right now. I'm mad at him. Can I ask about that? As a father, just curious, this is a tough time for your son, I would imagine. You clearly have stated you don't agree with what he did. You think he went too far. You have even said you think he should be arrested.

Right. Despite that, why cut him off? Why not talk to him? Why not be there for him? Well, I feel like I'm here for him. I'm paying for his legal fees. I'm here for him for that, but this. Roger, he want to be an adult.

He want to do everything his way. He won't take my advice. I can't make Roger do anything. But Roger has been doing the opposite of whatever I've been telling him to do. So, like, this is me. He's my son. I love him dearly. But, bro, he, he's, he just honor my name, too, though.

I'm highly, you guys, I can't even put in words how, how upset I am with my son. You know, he just honored my name. You know, I, you know, I've been in this sport for a long time. And when he did that, they're like, son of MMA, Rampage Jackson, and goes out, that's my fucking name. You know, I don't do that shit. I don't go around beating up people on. on the street to a bloody, uh, bloody pulp. I don't do that shit.

I'll fuck up doors and stuff like that. I know what the fuck I'm doing when there's a camera around. Trust me, I know what the fuck I'm doing. Well, I don't go around, I don't go around beating the fuck out of people. There's a lot of people that fuck with me and I just want to like, like, get the fuck away from me and stuff. I know that, but I would buy people beers or drinks. Like, let me buy you just drink so I don't fuck you up, please.

You know what I'm saying? I'm not, I'm not a person that's going around beating up people. But, but now I'm on edge. all these death threats. Like, I'm a very accessible guy. And people approach me all the time. You know what I'm saying? Roger, what he did and involved me

and my safety and my other kid's safety. So, yeah, I'm, he just under my name and he put his whole family in harm's way. Like, I don't put, I'm from Memphis, I'm from the South. I don't put none past racist people. I'm sorry. They got a lot of hatred in their heart.

They just want any reason to justify their hatred for people and say it and this is a good reason for them to be all in my DMs saying stuff to me. Your skin will crawl if I showed you some of the DMs I got area.

I can't matter. Why'd you shut it off? Fuck that. I'm living my life. I listen. I ain't scared of nobody. I ain't scared to nobody. I'm just just letting you know. If you if you

off about me like in the near future you know what it's about I ain't running from nobody I ain't scared of nobody I'm not gonna shut out I was told shut off my comments for a little bit but I was like I fuck that shit I'm cutting back on I don't get a fuck them say what they want long as nobody come up to me and touch me or or my son or or my other kids then we be good you know so but fuck all that Roger I think that he that I think that he should do a little time do a little community service And go to anger management class, see some therapy. But, you know, that goes, like some people said it was attempted murder and things like that.

That's not a little time. No. It wasn't attempted murder because he didn't, he, he wasn't trying to kill that guy. How do you know? Because that's my son. I know my son. He wasn't trying to kill nobody. He wasn't trying to kill that. He wasn't trying to kill that guy. Roger probably didn't even know how bad he hurt that guy. He wasn't trying to kill that guy. You know, the problem is everything got blown out of proportion and people thought that Roger snuck into the fucking ring and did that.

That's what the problem is. Like, you know, at this point, Roger was in the act as a pro wrestler, but he ain't no fucking pro rasser. The promoters had no reason putting my son in that fucking ring. But it was no, it was no attempted fucking murder. Do you think you will talk to him at some point? Yeah, it's my son. Yeah, I talk to him, but I got to blow, I got to, I got to wait, you know what I'm saying? Because what you don't understand?

Like, you know, me and Roger, we two alphas and we talk. I can't talk to him face to face because I'm mad at him. We might get the fight to fuck. Like, you guys don't understand. You know, because I'm being in his face yelling at him and shit. And he goes, he thinks he's a man. He thinks he's growing. He'll be yelling at me.

He's going to try to back up his thoughts and stuff like that, you know. And I can't, I don't, I don't want to. go and say, I don't want to go and say everything because it's going to, I don't want to go and say everything, but Roger, he do not like people fucking with him like that. Roger, Roger do not like, that's the last, that's, that's, that's the worst thing psychos dude could have done to Roger is to fucking hit him over the head with something, even if it didn't fucking hurt. That's this Roger's personality.

He do not like doing it. I can't do that shit to him without him, like, getting upset with me and cussing out. I'm his dad, like someone like that. Roger don't know that guy. Roger automatically think like people do something to him are they racist that's what

that's our Roger's go to like somebody oh he hit me in the back head like that I don't know him he's racist you know what I'm saying so Roger don't take care of the stuff like that

now you know it's become like some sort of indictment on you as a father in your relationship with him and you know what that's fine listen that's fine I understand why people

I understand that that's fine people think that I'm a bad father and stuff because all they see It's like the fucking clips and shit of me and my son joking around on fucking stream. I know a lot of people that watch that shit, they just have. I can tell about their comments that they're low IQ people and they don't fucking bother me.

Like those type of people, they shouldn't watch TV, they shouldn't have internet. They believe everything they fucking see on the internet TV and shit like that. They should just fucking eat cereal and oatmeal and underwear and watch cartoons. They shouldn't watch fucking those type of people that believe that shit that they see on fucking internet. they I don't get a fuck about there they're low IQ people but before all of this your relationship was fine yeah Roger and I are great

we like best friends okay why hasn't he fought in two years because Roger is a fucking vegan what's your problem with the vegan stuff because I don't think you should be a fighter and a vegan I don't just what about the Diaz brothers they're great they're great I bet you they eat eggs

but look this is the problem Roger got a, Roger is, he's too big for 55 and he's too small for 170. So, so when you're a vegan and stuff like that, when you cut all their weight and shit, it fucks with you. And that's how he lost his first professional fight. He had to cut a lot of weight and it showed up in his fight. He didn't have no energy. It's just, I just don't believe a vegan has to cut a lot of weight should be a fighter. And so he hasn't fought.

He hasn't fought. He got injured, like both his knees injured. vegan stay injured in the fucking gym he keep getting injured so he had him fault and I honestly I don't care of Roger ever fight again as soon as I find it's vegan

I don't care of he ever fight again that's why I got him into streaming if Roger wouldn't have fucked up his streaming in two years Roger would have been a multi-millionaire on his own just streaming Is he done with Kick?

Yeah kick don't want shit to do with him he's off he's done like Roger Roger has showed that he's one of people that shouldn't be streaming like you can't blame what roger did on kick you can't blame it on his on his chat nothing like that is is roger uh he he's a type of person that shouldn't that shouldn't stream um i think kick is a great platform it is um it's bringing a lot of

different type of people together it's a great community like we like take care of each other we laugh we bust each other balls and stuff like that and it's like it's making me do more stuff that I wouldn't do while I'm retired. It's making me, like, go and try new things so I can stream it. You know, normally, you know, I'd just be sitting around the house and I play in video games in my underwear, eating cereal, like those low-acute people that believe everything they see on the Internet should be doing. But Kit got me going out, you know, racing in goat cars and made me want to start my own

goat car team, got me out doing a whole bunch of shit. And it's great. But Roger, he didn't want to stream anyway. He didn't like it. He just wanted to come on with my stream here and nine then, and he didn't like it. are you at all worried about his well-being yes my son i am worried about his well-being how many kids you got i got three all right so why are you asking some stupid ass shit well can i can i be real with you yeah i can't imagine what it would feel like to see my son do

that i also don't think i would cut my son off if he did that so if you are worried about his well-being why are you not talking to him because he just honored my name. But he's still your son. Listen, I know he's my fucking son. I'm not cutting him off forever. I just haven't talked to him. But this is the worst moment of his life.

He needs you now more than ever. Now, listen, I talked to him after the shit happened, and he hid the fact that he did this shit. And, you know, he put my other kids at danger based off what the other people are saying. And I just can't talk to him right now. I just can't. I'm not saying I'm never going to talk to him again I just can't talk to him right now I need I need some time I'm dealing with his attorneys and all this shit

but I'm very I'm very disappointed and and and Roger like yeah I'm not I'm not a perfect parent so I don't know what's the protocol to how much time you you stop from talking to your son when he fucking goes out there and and hurt somebody he put a guy in a fucking hospital do you have any idea what he's dealing with like I know you reached out to him, which is honorable. Did his family reach out to you? Did they talk? No, listen, nobody called, nobody called me back.

You know, I was checking up on him through, like, the other people that I knew and stuff like that. And, and I'm going to tell you this, I saw a post of him, and they said he was released from the hospital and stuff like that. I heard he was released from the hospital, like, fucking two days, three days before they fucking said that shit. Because I've been checking up on him. Like I said, I know people, my friend, my friend is a pro wrestler in the damn place and he kept giving me updates. Because people were hyping it up like the guy was in worse condition than he was. He wasn't just knocked some teeth down and stuff like that. If that guy was in, if that guy was fucked up so bad, why would they, why would they let his opponent pin him before they got him help?

You know what I'm saying? The whole situation is fucking fucked up. So I, I just think people milk stuff will fucking go fund me. I'm sorry. I'm sorry to say it. People milk shit. I'm sorry. It's where we live in. Did you speak to the promotion, the guys that were talking to your... I talked to the guy. I talked to him. What do you say? I talked to him one time. There was way before all this stuff, it was way before all this stuff like before it blew up. I talked to him if I could remember, yeah, that day.

When the police was getting there, I talked to him that day. What did they say? Do they take accountability? Did he take accountability? I don't remember him. No, I don't remember him. He was telling me that my son fucked up his whole thing that, that show might get canceled and stuff like that. I'm like, my son had no business in there.

What the fuck are you doing in there? And that was it. That was the last time you spoke to them. Yeah, but it was, it was, it was a, yeah, that was the same day it happened. So I don't remember everything he said, but he told me that, he told me that they wrote him in.

until the show so he's get it so he get his get back and roger was supposed to go out there pick the guy up slam him give him some punches and roger took it too far so yeah like yeah roger took it too far he had no business in there and and and i'm asking you this not because i believe it just want to make this clear but because there's all kinds of conspiracies have you offered anyone any sort of money to keep quiet or change their story or not press charges has anything happened between no fuck no fuck no offer nobody offer no fucking money The only money that I fucking spent is putting a retainer on an attorney. It's the only thing I've done.

I ain't offered nobody by no motherfucking money. Have the police talked to you? No. Talk to me for what? I don't know shit. I was in New York. I was in New York dropping my daughter off at fucking school. We were going to hang out.

Yeah, if you were in town. I could have been sitting right next to you. Well, you know, that would have been cool. I was with Jake Fields and another streamer We was Well then maybe I wouldn't have been there

No Probably not He doesn't like Mike Hein Who Jake Jake Yeah Yeah

But you know But you know I don't I don't deal with racism I don't I don't I don't deal with that shit And right now

I'm I'm really sick of it right now Honestly It's like Too much I don't know How this whole event Got

Changed to a fucking race issue. And you're getting death threats. You're getting death threats. Yes. Why you? Thank you. And your kids, too. Your other kids. Yeah. Yeah. How are they doing? They're fine. They're not rattled by that. They're not

they're not, yeah, they're fine. They're not happy. They're not happy by the situations like that, but they're fine. I got, I got, I got, um, safety measures and in place. For my kids, I'm, bro, I'm a father. I'm gonna take care of my kids with my dying brother, my last brother. I'm gonna take care of my kids. They fine. But I just don't like people threatening me.

I don't take care into fucking threats. So in conclusion, just to recap, I want to just make sure we got it all right. Your son was invited by a friend who's a wrestler who also trains this AJ Manor character who also trains with you guys. He was invited just to be a fan. He's a streamer. making content he's doing stuff they show him backstage he runs into psycho stew stew probably thinks i would imagine that he was a part of the story a wrestler he does a thing with him he hits him your son feels very disrespected by this is clearly upset the promoters the guys involved say

hey you could get your get back on him he says all right as long as i get my get back we're cool we'll shake hands but i want my get back then a j seen in the back talking to your son saying like hey get your receipt he's sitting there they tell him we're going to tell you when to go in he's reading the chat he gets uh fired up fired up fired up he gets in the ring when he's told he's tapped on the shoulder and he goes way too far instead of way too far bro when he gets in a when he gets in a ring go back and watch this shit they put they put the music on for him they changed the music for him bro okay the promoter told him to fuck him up And I think AJ Manor is the only one

that had a little common sense and said, Roger, like, look, remember what it was he just pop them one time. AJ Manor was the only one that had like a little common sense right then. I wish he would have called me, but I was on the ground in New York,

so it probably went through. Bro, they changed the music when my son getting in the ring. They, they, bro. But, no, this is a fucked up thing, though. What took them so long? because they said all right

you punch them until we pull you off what took his other friends his team whatever the fuck they are

so long to get in there and get Roger off of them think about that that's that's probably why ain't nobody

talking to the fucking police not because I fucking paid anybody off I wouldn't I would never do that you can't

even do that shit in America that's shit is illegal as fuck I don't know those dudes And that shit

Then they put me in there And I can go to fucking jail For some shit like that I ain't that fucking stupid Y'all They police need And to investigate that shit Why it took his friends

So long To get in that fucking ring But all to say Regardless He should have never even been there He should never even been there But I'm gonna tell you this I'm gonna leave you to this

This is gonna be the last time I talk about this shit This ain't This ain't the first time Cyco's doing done some shit Like this backstage Muffer could be drinking all this goddamn time, and he plays that, you know, pro wrestling saved me from this PTSD and stuff like

nobody wanted to fire his ass, but he'd be, but A.J. Mona told me everything. This ain't the first time he done some drunken shit like this back, in the backstays. So they know his ad, they ain't going to stench on them. I don't owe them, none of them no loyalty. My loyalty to my son, and even though I don't fuck with my son right now, I'm still going to keep it 100 and be lawyer. They need to, they need, they need that, the police didn't investigate that shit. times psychos too and attack somebody

backstage and piss people off being drunk and shit then you guys would figure out what what took so long for the pro rasters to get in that fucking ring and pull my son off of them

and investigate that shit then y'all going to see who the real animals and who don't got the fucking frontal lobe and shit like that yeah my son took it too far he was wrong

and I don't condom what my son did not only that like honestly if my son if my son didn't have a concussion i would have whipped his ass when he got home it would have i would have i would have fought roger for doing that shit is there i don't play that i don't play that you don't you don't do that you don't constantly keep hitting a man when they unconscious and stuff like that you know in mma fights it's you're in a moment like when i fought vandalay and i gave him like two or three unanswered punches like

you in a moment okay you're in the moment you fight and stuff like that but but i can't say if roger was in that same moment because it's a fake fight. I don't know how you can get in that moment when it's a fake fight. So I can't say. But I've been in that moment and we're used as an MMA fighter.

We are used to the referee pulling us off people. But no, I've been in that moment before. But your emotions let go because Vanillae had beat the crap out of me two times before. But I can't say. I can't say. And I'm actually like, why?

I'm like, why are you? like why are you fucking hitting this guy why he's unconscious I appreciate you coming on and talking about all this is there anything that I didn't ask you anything that you wanted to say that we didn't we didn't touch on well despite anything that happened even though I was waiting for psychosudes tell his side of the story still want to say to his psychosthews family because they're innocent and everything they didn't hit no about inside the head with a can like listen to your family's psychos too listen um I'm I'm sorry you guys had to witness that.

I'm sorry you guys going through all that stuff. And, you know, I wish nothing that ever happened. And, you know, I feel bad that what my son did. And I hope that we all can, like, walk away from this. I hope psychosthew is healing up, you know, fine and stuff like that. And I just hope nothing like this ever happens again to cycle sue in his career and pro wrestling. Do you think your son will continue to do stuff in the public eye? Like, what do you think becomes of him now?

I don't fucking know. I don't see how he can. I don't see how he can get a contract or anything. But to be honest, like, there's people still, like, some people want him to box. Some people call him out the box. And the thing I post is people faking like he's doing pro wrestling shows and shit like there. There's a lot of clickbait. People don't fall for the fucking clickbait.

And that's what's spreading a lot of hate too. There's a lot of clickbait out there. but I don't I don't I don't see nobody really wanted to Roger to fight for their promotion but who knows man who knows thank you rampage appreciate it all right good luck all right there he is Quentin Rampage Jackson joining us to talk about this he says it's his last time and so let's see as of right now as we said yesterday no rests have been made they they did announce Psychos 2's family that he He had been released, still unclear what his future will be as far as his health and how this will affect him long term. We have not seen or heard from Raja. He hasn't posted anything, any sort of statement. The Knox Pro Wrestling Academy did post something.

I didn't get to this yesterday. I don't know if we even still have it. But they did post a statement in the immediate aftermath, but not much. else has come out since then. The individual who broke up, oh, there it is. Knox Pro Entertainment and Academy, first and foremost, our thoughts, and this is the following day and prayers are with our brother, Mr. Stuart Smith, Psycho Stu, as he remains a priority, and we are monitoring his well-being.

What was supposed to be a planned and agreed upon wrestling spot turned into a selfish, irresponsible act of violence against Mr. Smith. This egregious act is reprehensible and never should have occurred in the 17 years of operation of Knox Pro Wrestling Academy. There has never been anything as heinous that has taken place such as this, and we apologize to our patrons and our fans. They were part of the WWIID program,

which is a program that W.W.E. identifies certain schools and academies across the country world. They say, all right, you know, we'll give you X amount, and it helps you develop future potential talent. nothing more than that. It's not NXT. It's not, you know, some sort of feeder system, but we're recognizing these academies in schools. And, you know, if you go there, you can get a certain type of training, and who knows if you're good enough, then you could take

the next step. Rakishi, Fatu, who had long been a part of WWE. His sons are now in the WWE apart owner, reportedly of this company. And also reportedly, now they are no longer a part of that WWEID program, which I understand is somewhat lucrative to what degree don't know, but that's the fallout that they have experienced as well. One of the guys who broke it up, I believe his name is DJ Mallow, I saw him do a podcast talking about this and talking about speaking to the cops. And unlike what Tom Lawler said to us yesterday, he does believe that there will be an arrest of Raja Jackson.

I mean, all the evidence is right there, as Chale said. So here we are 11 days later, if my math is correct. 31 days in August, August 23rd, 11 or so days. Am I math correct? Maybe, yeah. A little over a week, and nothing has happened just yet. So let us see. All right, we do have some questions to answer.

I know it's been a long day, but let's get to as many as possible. Ariahawani.substack.com is the place to be for all the questions. Time now for everyone's favorite segment of the week. It is time. Okay, here are some questions. Let's get to them. This is from Bulldog Mania. Let us never forget that GC couldn't think of your kid's name when you asked which one was in the control room.

He disguised it and played it off well, but some of us were privy. Nice try, G.C. You moved down a few spots in Ariel's pound-for-pound office rankings for such a scandalous act. Your thoughts. Your thoughts, G.C. No one's denied that. No one's forgetting that. I openly owned up to it.

I completely had no idea. I looked to Frank for help. Frank made a guess, and I believe he was incorrect. I'm not even going to lie. Still don't remember. Oliver oldest. Yeah. Walter Middlechild.

Yeah, there you. Nailed it. Oh, before W. Oh, before W. There it is. That's how I get it. Though you, we were in a group chat and I said one of their names. Yeah, I tried to confuse them.

Yeah, yeah. I knew it. And then you double thumbs me down. Yeah, I tried to confuse you. I threw a curveball. No, no, no. I got it now. I'm locked in.

Yeah, see? Yeah, you listen sometimes. Ptty, how are you, by the way? Good to see you. Good show today, boys. I was watching it from Blanchetown, fabulous stuff. Yeah, a lot, a lot. And perhaps some questions about it.

Let's keep going. When asking why Hamzat did. didn't get the belt until mid, oh, this is from Steve Buscemi, mid late 2025. How do you answer that question? What would you say to contextualize that? It's so wild to see how it planned out. P.S. Circumcision talk with Paulo Costa on Bring Your Kids to Work Day was not on my bingo card. Yeah, I guess I didn't really think of that in the moment. I mean, we all know why Hamza didn't get attached out to mid-20205. He had visa issues and he got sick and he retired and there were some injuries. And yeah, I mean, I don't think it's that big of a,

secret when in Rome shout out to Rome at what point is Francis the issue slash problem everyone's saying the same thing about him yet you seem to turn a blind eye

and continue to paint him as the good guy he seems like the entitled kid that does what he wants even if it sabotages other people's businesses and people slash businesses every promoter's in lockstep about him

what am I missing really? Okay first of all who's every promoter Dana White was unhappy that he didn't resign with the UFC. Dana White and the UFC

did everything in their power to keep him. Once he didn't want to sign their deal, he didn't like him anymore. Now, look, I'm not going to pretend that there weren't some back-and-forth issues, but they wanted to resign him. They didn't tell him to kick rocks. They offered him a very good deal,

and they boasted about that deal. So he's a bad guy, but they still wanted him? So what is he, what is the beef? They still wanted them. They still wanted to be in business with them. You couldn't have been that bad of a guy. Didn't like him because he left. Now, what's the issue? Don Davis says he was disappointed. He wasn't there. Okay. Francis gives his side of the story. Okay. Francis says he feels like it wasn't the vision. All right. Who are the other promoters that say he's a bad guy? Who are the other people that say he's a bad guy? Does Eric Nixick say he's a bad guy? Does Dewey Cooper say he's a bad guy? Do his teammates at Extreme Couture say he's a bad guy? Does he have family members that come out and say he's a bad guy? He was involved in a very serious and heartbreaking and tragic accident. No denying that. Did he do that on purpose? I don't believe so. So he's a complex guy. Could we agree on that? But I feel like we haven't tried to. Like what's the part where you think that I've, you know,

what's the word that he uses here? Paint him as a good. guy because he went out and didn't like the deal and got himself a better deal and defied the odds by fighting Tyson Fury and almost beating him and then getting another boxing fight and then getting the pfl deal like where where's the part where you feel like I painted him as the good guy as opposed to the general consensus who paint him as a bad guy and by the way just Don Davis has said one negative thing about the guy and let's not pretend that promoters don't say negative things about fighters and they don't get into disagreements. I'm sure they will bring him back if they can. And I'm sure they'll be happy to have him back. I haven't heard Peter Murray say

anything bad about him. Let's not pretend that they don't have. I think the next fight should be Vadim Nemcov. They've re-signed him. That's the fight. But I don't think they've done a great job of finding opponents for him as well. So anyway, I know there's this thing where it's like, Francis and Gano, I told you all along. Dana was right. Come on. Dana says I'm a bad guy too. Is he right about that? But what is making Francis a bad guy? I'm still not actually sure what makes him a bad guy? What is the counter evidence? They're saying your painting was a good guy, but what makes him a bad

guy? Because Dana White said, he's a bad dude. He's a scumbag. But based on, like, what is the evidence we have of this? You're speaking to the guy who feels the same way. It's a bizarre kind of position to have. Certainly, I don't know Francis Inganu personally. It is It is extremely possible that he's a good, bad, whatever. I've never gone for dinner with Francis Nagan, but I can tell you this much when that story came out about the tragic accident, a lot of people are having a field day.

See, told you, Dana White was right. One has nothing to do with the other. Come on. Come on. Critical thinking, please. Joshy Van, I know Rampage is your friend, but as the number one unbiased outlet, I need you to address this. What is your take on Rampage essentially baiting his own son into the axe that were carried out?

I know he's a man and did it himself. if Rampage did not, but Rampage calling his son egregious names for hanging out with the guys that he was taunted, that he was taunted him into what ultimately happened. Did you see the video of Rampage with the wig on talking about Raja being dead to him and calling him a failure in a time where Raja most certainly needs his father? I mean, that's what we were talking about here. Rampage seed more hell-bent on keeping his kid community happy and on his side wild. I mean, that's what I, I disagreed with him on that. Like, if I was him in this situation, I pray that I'll never be in that situation.

I feel for him because he, I don't think he, I mean, I think it's very clear. He's not happy with his son. I don't think he condones that he made that very clear as well. I don't think I would cut off my son. Here, I'll tell you something. I have experienced a lot of cutting off without getting too personal. And I would see this within my family. And I would see this.

and I never understood it I know people within my family not directly in like my immediate family but outside of the immediate family whatever the hell you call that

who don't speak to parents who don't speak to very close family members I don't understand that especially as parents get older or kids get older there's both ways it's very common

complex. I've never understood that. You only live one life. You have to be able to figure it out. You have to shake hands. You have to love each other. They are your family. They are your blood. You have to figure it out. In this case, it's a father who is very disappointed in his son, a son who did a potential criminal act in front of the world who seriously injured someone who may have given him life-threatening injuries, who may have almost killed him. I just don't know if I could just cut off my son in that moment because I can assure you no one means more to Raja than his dad I do believe Raja's mother

is no longer with us because I've seen a clip of him talking about that and I do believe that he probably looks up to his dad more than anyone on the planet and I do believe that he probably needs his dad more so now than ever and so I don't agree with that I think I made that clear

I know you wrote this question before we spoke and I don't like I don't agree with the streaming 24-7. I think it's a dangerous thing. I think there are certain people who just aren't equipped to do that. I don't think I'm equipped to do that. Would any of you want to have a camera on you

for 12 straight hours with people coming up to you if you're a famous person? I wouldn't want to do that. I think it forced you to react in a kind of a weird way to things. Yeah. Because there's an audience there,

there is a demand to, you know, to be entertaining to some degree as well. I think it's just a really modern issue. You know, it's like, I don't think this is been around long enough for us fully to fully comprehend everything that's involved in honestly yeah uh gone another days clown of the year has warned spencer for talking all that shit

to dylan about not shooting only to shoot in the first five seconds say what you want about dylan being annoying and delusional which is true he stood there and he was willing to strike with the mechanic who really needs to check his tool shed after that performance insanely embarrassing shout it to dylan for not even attempting a take down any thoughts on this fight and how it played out. I mean, was it even a fight? I mean, I guess it was a fight, though. I don't think it was a work or anything like that, but I had no doubt that Dylan was going to win that fight. To me, the question was, how long would it take? Yes, it was very stupid. I think he did tag him once, Warren did, but he's not even a boxer, let alone an MMA fighter. And he openly bragged

about the fight that he didn't train in any sort of MMA for an MMA fight. He was just a guy with, like, a couple of, you know, crossover. That's pissed off with the mechanic. Like, what's going on there? And as we said yesterday, right, Dylan should fight 10 more of him. Yeah. No. Fighter more.

More meme points. Dylan can fight. Hey, how about this? Kit's Corner. Welcome back, Ireland, the boys. Just a couple of comments from the weekend. The Misfits card on Saturday was a lot of fun. And I noticed while watching that Misfits puts on a better show than PFL.

Sad state of affairs over at the PFL. Real American Freestyle's debut was phenomenally produced. And I noticed while watching that R.A. puts on a better show than PFL. They really need to figure it out at the PFL. Unbelievable, first week back, thank you. All right. I mean, look, misfits, especially if they're going to get into the MMA business, they can occupy the fun lane. There's no fun lane right now. Risen has it, but it's, you know, it's very, it's sporadic and it's Asian-centric. It's a lot of, which is great, but not in America, they're not doing American shows. Misfits does American shows, and they obviously

do a lot in the UK. By the way, what's, there's cage warriors in the UK and who else? There's no more Bama. Is there even a second one? There is. There's a lot of different ones, but like, I mean,

no one that's going to get big names like this. Like, they can occupy. Yeah, they should do it. They should, do you know, like even I'm thinking about,

do you remember, do you remember Bellator were signing all kinds of like kind of influencer guys? But then the fights wouldn't happen because remember like Aaron Chalmers even. He came in. But there was this demand for the,

them to like constantly incrementally lift the level. And they'd end up fighting real guys. Like, misfits don't have to go down that path at all. It's just like, let's let this former rugby captain who hasn't played in 20 years, let him fight. And there will be an appeal there. It's like the freak show element we're talking about on a yesterday. Like, it will allow those guys to go in here and do this with a certain amount of

safety. Like, I'm actually an athlete. I can just put me in against some bum that I can beat the shit out of. And we're all happy. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's a fascinating time. It's a fascinating time in the MMA business

when a misfits can actually occupy a lane like this. Is there something that's too far for Misfits? Is there like a signing that would be too far? I mean, Andrew Tate would probably be that line. I was just thinking, Chale Son and earlier said to Craig Jones that if he was to fill it, if anybody would fill in, he would have put Raja Jackson. Would Raja Jackson in Misfits be too far?

Is that reasonable? Obviously, we need to wait to see what happens with him. But, like, is there a line, or can misfits kind of get away with anything? I mean... I mean, like, Andrew Tate is pretty much, I mean, like... It's pretty bad. ...tufficking and multiple ripe charges across the world. So I don't think so.

Is Andrew Tate or Josh Jackson pushing it too far? Which one? I think... I think Tate... I think Tate is what they're trying to do. But, I mean, like, what are we talking about at that point, right? Both are highly controversial. We also still need to kind of see the fallout.

from the Tate thing, right? If he does end up doing that and fighting, this is like not a complete story yet. We'll see what that does for the brand. Well, I wonder what that is like, though. Because KSI is occupying mainstream brand recognition at this stage with Prime and his placement in the UK. Like, you know, and his audiences, a lot of kids.

And right now, like, in the UK, and there should, like, documentaries would be on TV about, like, let's not let our sons learn from Andrew Tate. So for him to then sign Andrew Tate to his promotion or a promotion that's adjacent with KSI, I could imagine that's problematic for his brand, but we'll have to wait and see. Like, I mean, I think we're a long way away from this.

But, like, as I was speaking about yesterday, like BBC covered the fact that he might be signing for misfits. They were contacted misfits for comment. They refused to comment. They contacted Wasserman, the PR element that's involved with them. Like, they will be all over this if that happens. And yesterday, you guys were telling us, telling me it's a good thing, let's see.

Whoa, wait. It's not a good thing. I don't think any of us said it was a good. Like, misfits would be like, yay, this is great. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, they will think it's a good thing, but I'm not banging the drum for Andrew Tate to be fighting. No.

Especially, let's be honest. If he is fighting, he's fighting, he's fighting, he's fighting Warren Spencer. Yeah, I mean. By the way. He's catching some kids. I did actually enjoy when he was on. He was actually quite charming.

I liked Warren Spencer. I think there's a lane for him to kind of be a character. Especially now. Don't shoot on a jiu-jitsu guy, and you'll be fun. There was literally no heap between him and didn't even want to talk to him. What are you, like, these influencers? I look at some of their pages, and I'm not trying to, but like, what makes an influencer at this point? You have a following and you do content that other people want to call?

Even if the following is like 200 people? No. Yeah, you do your morning routine. Wait, does Warren Spencer only have 200 followers? I don't know. No, but it's not like, you think, I see some of these guys, and I'm like, you know, it's like G.C.'s guy, like H.S. Tikiikikiki. I was just about to say, next thing you're going to say is you're not into

H.S. Tiki Tiki Tiki Tiki. He's probably got a lot of followers now? I just don't know. That's the next fight. What's the line? What's the line for an influencer? Tiki Tiki might be safe without that way. Are any of these people influencers? Do they actually influence anyone, or they just make content and that's their careers? I don't know.

They influence. Why do they all have to have nicknames? It's all very weird. It's just their handles. It's like our screen names from AIM back in the day. What about this from? Antine Vans Antivans Oh, anti-vans

Why does PT sneak off the show Without saying goodbye? Is it an Irish thing? It's an Irish goodbye I just keep doing them I'm like Yeah, that's it We just...

And I'm gone He actually shows back up When he locked up It's really nice Chris H, Aaron I'm so pumped That Maven Huffman is coming To the show

I love you guys I love the guy's thoughts And YouTube channel So do I. I am super pumped He's been a tour to force in the wrestling YouTube interview scene

and LFG Chris in Boston Go Pats Um Just this weekend Matt Chihuihuahuis Hello Ariel and all the gang in the back

Happy National Skyscraper Day Ariel with this on Machachev opening up as a sizable betting favorite Over Jack Della Madalena at UFC 322 Many are viewing this as a foregone conclusion However Sean Brady recently said That he's picking JDM

citing his underrated take down defense And power Given JDM's 18 fight Winstreek and his victory over an elite wrestler in Bala Muhammad, do you believe the odds are disrespecting the champion? And is this the toughest test of Mahachev's career? I mean, it's tough in that he is moving up 15 pounds, by the way.

It's not 10, it's 15, 155 to 170, championship weight 170. I do think this is going to be a test. And I do think, I don't know, did we talk about the odds yesterday? Is J.D.M. a big underdog? I definitely. Because if he's a big underdog, then that's worth a look.

I think J.D.M. is amazingly underrated. same because he doesn't talk a lot of shit he doesn't promote himself I think the way he fought against Balal was tremendous I think a lot of people focused on the fact that Balal didn't shoot didn't do this that I think he didn't do that because of how big and strong and talented and well-rounded JDM is I don't think this is a foregone conclusion and I would not be surprised at all if JDM wins right now Islam Makashchev minus 230 JDM plus 195 yeah based on reading this I thought it was gonna be like mine is 400, but

I would, if I'm a gambler, I'm not, I think JDM is worth a flyer, right? H-D-L. I'm a, hell yeah. G.C.'s all over it. Huh? You know, all over there? You don't say

JDM? You know, but you're not saying you're going to... I took JDM against Ballol, but I mean, I'll probably support JDM. I had my keep pinging the cunt shirt right here up until today. What happened? We had to clear out the studio. You know, we're organized. That's... Wow, Frank. On his piece.

and cues. Love it. Alexander Kalibich Ostoyich my picks for UFC stadium shows next year Hamzad versus Imov in Paris Ilya versus Holloway 2 at the Bernabeu

Yeah, it's going to happen Aspinall Jones at Eddie had Yeah Perfect, this is all sounding Izzy versus Strickland 2 plus Vogue versus Sterling in Melbourne Yeah, yeah Are we not going to throw Crowpack in there

Just for the laugh now? Yeah, we didn't We did a cowboy stadium Yeah, that's right Oh, here's... Does the White House show count as a stadium show? 100%. Aren't they going to build a 25,000 seat stadium on the lawn?

I heard they were building a 25,000 seat stadium at the apex. Oh, that's only 5,000. No, no, it's 25 or 20? At the apex? 30? Yeah, 30. I think it was 30. I think it was 30. The stadiums?

30 people. Ski, please tell us you walk the footpath in Cinqueatera. It's one of the most beautiful things I've seen in my life. Yes, I think it's called the something... delamour delamore delamore we did walk

it I actually campaigned to take the little train to the next town Chiquete guys

five towns Cinque Tere as an aside today when I was going into the garage for the parking the guy said same time

and I said si grazie and I said it so quickly it was like ingrained I swear it was like ingrained I was like wow am I actually

a paizan I said it like si grazie grazie you know it was amazing how I said it did he make a look I think he thought

I was saying gratis because he is a Hispanic fellow but I definitely said si grazie do you think when you walked away he was like

that guy doesn't speak in English or do you think he was like that guy I think I'm Italian what a what a dickhead

this guy just got back from Italy and thinks he speaks I'm that guy I'm that guy I'm that's what's it's called

the foot part this thing yeah it's beautiful so you could go you call it the sidewalk have any of you have any of you

have any of you have any of you to Cinque Tere. No, man. Haven't knocked that one off the old... Well, I don't pretend like you were just there.

No, no, no, man. I mean, maybe one day. Maybe... We're just there! You can approve my time off. It's an unbelievable unbelievable. Five towns.

Yeah, five towns. And you go from one to the next. It's like an hour outside of Viregio, which is right next to Forte de Marmee. Of course. Actually, with the people... This is Ariel ordering an olive garden.

With the people... people were explaining to us, they talk, it's such a beautiful sort of like singing language. So they said, first you have to go to Rio Maggiore, and then you have to go to Calione. And I was, and then I started to say it so much that my family was getting annoyed, but I just enjoy the way they like sing when they speak. Anyway, you go to the first stop, which is Rio Major, and then you walk over to the next stop whose name is escaping me, and you can either walk this path, which is beautiful, or you can take the train. I opted for the train. I lost. We went the path, and I will say it was spectacular.

And then you go to the next up, the next up, the next up, and then you end in Monteros. Did you do this voice? I did the voice, yes. Did you talk with your hands? Or did you wait until you were in the old town room? I didn't do it. No, no. It was. I feel like if you do this to the Italian, it might be rough. But they appreciate it. The best was like, I tried to blend Spanish and French to make Italian, but they were like, what the fuck are you saying? I was like, we all speak English. It never quite worked.

By the way, news flash, breaking news. Ice coffee does not exist in Italy. I'm not an ice coffee. I actually learned a lot of it. What's next? No,

the coffee. When you go to Europe. Ice coffee doesn't exist. No, no, no. My wife wanted the ice coffee. You should have seen the look on their face. Insulting. Us trying to explain to them in ice coffee.

I say frio? Cafe frio? I don't even think frio is an Italian word. It's not like free. What are you talking about? Sir, that's Spanish. It was a total. A nice coffee every day in Italy last year.

No, it does not exist. I don't know who you were doing with. Ask for a cup of ice and some coffee. Also, you know what else I learned? Coffee latte for you. Post 11, it is insulting to order a cappuccino. Yeah. It's insulting because-Cappuccino specifically?

Yes. Maybe when you're ordering it with an accent. 11 a.m. 11 a. Like you're a pig. You're a disgusting pig. Cappuccino is a breakfast string. It's a breakfast drink.

If you order one at three or four, they take it as an insult like you didn't like something that you ate there and you're trying to change. How did you learn this? Did you try to order one? ChatchipT told me. Okay. See, all right.

Is it the same thing that told you that there wasn't any ice coffee? No, so you walk up there and you just get the espresso and everyone does it at the bar and you go, I was imitating them as well doing this, quick shot and then a full shot.

So it's like a double shot. You know? I learned so. I'll take it like a bituccino. Yes, yes. Sir, get out. No, no, no. We talk like that.

By the way, I fit right in with the hands. I fit right in with the hands. We do it? I fit right in with the hands. We went to a pizza making class in Florence. That was fun. My kids, they wouldn't shut up. They wouldn't shut up.

And the other table was like, can you let? And then we made the gelato. No, no, no. What happened with the other table? Well, the other table was giving us side eyes like, hey, like they're like a couple on their honeymoon and they're trying to enjoy it and feed each other. This American man is. He's like, who's that guy doing the accent?

Who's the guy speaking English? The muzzella. Can I get the muzzella? Any prosciutto for the napolitana? I was trying to... All the words are English, except for the cheese and the pasta. The pasta fajou. He's just adding a vowel onto the end of everything he says.

But it's also the inflection. The sing-song, yes, yeah. The mozre. I'm sure they love it. It's on mozzarella. Oh, you know what else I learned? Panini is plural. Did you guys know that?

Yeah, absolutely. What's the singular? Panino. We call it Panini here. Hey, you're going to get a panini. It's actually Panino. Panino, okay. The more you know.

What a misunderstood people. I got to tell you, it was amazing. Oh, oh, another thing. Feducini Alfredo doesn't exist. That I sound like that. They call it like Tagliata. And there's no sort of like Bolognese. My kids were like Bolognaz, like ragu.

Did I send you guys the video? We went to this one restaurant. A shout out to the waiter there. A big MMA fan told me Kevin Owens was there a couple of weeks prior. Did I send you guys this? They come to your table. Oh my God, it was unbelievable. In Florence, I got to give this place a shout out with a massive piece of cheese.

And then they put, Jordan, did you guys? go to this place and then they put the hot flambay on top of it like a like a like a little alcohol yeah to melt the cheese and then they go and they start scraping the cheese scraping the cheese then they bring the tagliatel and then they bring the truffle something was a bit better okay the giant cheese will i i've had that at a restaurant in america no no no no not the cheese wheel no i know they melt it and then they add the positive you think your fucking olive garden cheese wheel had any sort of I wish all garden did that

no I was there though no I went there yeah you went to the same restaurant yeah yeah what was it called again aerial you didn't get the Florentine steak when you were there so my kids got it what the hell my kids got it and they realized that like medium

is raw is shit oh yeah with just some like flake salt on top medium is like a nice way to say that Yeah, medium is... That thing is rare. My kids are... They become snobs. They're like, oh, it's just...

It's medium, you know, or nothing. And then midway through, they were starting to do medium well. By the end, it was just well done. Respect. Well, still a nice bit pink, all right? Even the well-done. No, I don't like that. Can I tell you a secret about where that ice coffee was?

One, it's... Redo, not Frio, which was probably... Yeah, that was part of the problem, no doubt. And number two is, I remember when we ordered it, they just pull it right out of the fridge. They had made it the day before. Oh, really? They just don't want to tell you as an American, I guess. Osteria pastella, pastella, not pastaya, that would be Spanish, is the place.

If you're ever in Florence, tell them how one he sent you. They bring out the big thing. It's an unbelievable. And then the affogato place in Florence, which is the one there, Vivolo. No, Vivoli. Vivali is the place with the, they were closed. closed on a Monday so I had to go to like the lesser one called David Gelaterio which was phenomenal I think I got a brand I think I'm good I'm just not going to touch yeah yeah thank you um

so we're good we're good anyway um uh TJ hey Ariel for your interviews do you ever take suggestions from the team in the back on questions to ask and for the team do you ever tell Ariel to ask specific questions to the guests also what is one thing from an interview that you regret not asking a guess I mean I regret like literally every single day we don't really talk during the interviews, but there are some times, including I'll be honest, the Rampage one, where I say, am I missing anything? No one actually replies to me, which is fine, but it's

just good to know that, you know, there's some sort of form of communication, you know? In that scenario, no news is good news, how long. We also... What you want us to say? You did get replied, like a minute and a half later, and that's after we all had a discussion. And it was all good.

You did a good job. It was pretty good. Was that Brad's debut? on the show there? Nah, bread the fixture at this point. Oh, Roberto. Ariel, glad to hear you

had a great time in my home country, Italia. Can you finally spread some knowledge about Italian cuisine over there? I'm getting headaches every time I hear about fake Italian recipes or badly used words

like canoli instead of canolo. There you go. Canoli is plural. Canolo, singular. Let us hear what you have learned. Love you all. I mean, I just gave you so much. The Rome airport, by the way,

one of the all-time great airports. Have any of you been to the Rome airport? No, Ariel. There's two, though. There's two different airports. Oh, the one, the Leonardo da Vinci one. Say it with the accident. Leonardo da Vinci.

I mean, the retail there is insane. It's Gucci Prada. Really enjoyed Rome. My one regret about the trip was we booked it a while ago, so obviously the football schedule had not been released and we left Rome the day Roma

was having their home opener whatever you call it their first game Evan Ferguson assist What a fuck and what a player Sun got an AAS Roma jersey Didn't he? Sun got an Aes Roma jersey Yeah

I'm trying to get one of those Actually Pizzi was the one that inspired it It's one of the best kits of the year Yeah I got it already You got it

Oh you got one PT All right I'll buy one And then we can't You got a Ferguson I can get Fergson on the back Because you know what When I was gonna do that I was thinking about you

I was saying I can't get a younger man on the black of my shirt and it fucked with me Wow You got influenced Oh my god I agree with that

Like I can't rock a Josh Allen No look It never never occurred to me Until you said it And then as I'm buying it I was like I can't do it What's the logic behind that?

I just feel weird Can't wear another man's name No no I will gladly wear another man's name They're younger than you're They just have to be older than me Why though? I don't know

I don't know It just ain't that series No you're right You're right It's a stupid rule It did influence me, all right, GC. What happens when your kids start getting older than, like, NBA draft picks and they buy their jerseys? You're going to, like, shame them?

I'm not going to talk to them. I'm going to cut them off. Adam Parkin, real quick when Ariel, 90% of the time I listen to the audio only when I'm in the car. Occasionally, I will put the YouTube video on, and yesterday's show was the first time in a while. So my question is, why do you not talk directly to the camera when doing your presenting? As we look at the screen, you're looking to our right, your left. I don't know why. I always sort of

Picture it as I'm talking Well sometimes the guys are actually there Sometimes not like right now They're not But if I I don't know I just kind of feel like looking down Like I'm not presenting the news here

It makes it a little bit more informal Maybe I'm just shy Give the people what they want Ariel Look at the camera Staring down the barrel It's kind of boring Now it's freaking me out

Yeah off to the side I love the show Great to have you all back Thank you Good to have you back Ariel on the BITB as an English man, I've recently gotten into baseball and have opted to support the mighty Red Sox. I don't think I've ever heard of any of you speak about it.

So I was wondering what teams you support and if there are any recommendations on next season fantasy leagues to go with. Well, a team we support over here on this side of the table are the mighty Toronto Blue Jays who are hopefully going to win the ALEs over on-air Jordan's New York Yankees who are kind of, you know, threatening at the moment. it looked like it was going to be a foregone conclusion, but Toronto has some bullpen issues at the moment. I do think that they'll be okay.

But if you have bullpen issues going into the playoffs, not a good situation. Of course, I'm a Montreal Expo's fan, first and foremost, always, forever in my heart. They ceased to exist following the 2004 season. That broke my heart. I didn't watch a single inning of baseball until 2015. I did not watch the World Series.

I did not watch the playoffs. swore off baseball. 2015, how did I get back into it? I'll tell you how. We moved. I had a long commute. The Blue Jays

had just made a bunch of trades for Josh Donaldson. No, they traded for Donaldson in the off season, but they traded for Troy Toulouitzki, David Price, and Alex Anthopoulos from Montreal was their GM,

and it seemed like he was getting kicked out, and it was his last harassed hurrah, and there was something magical about that team, and I started listening to Sportsnet 590 in Toronto. They had a great post show, Jay's Talk, and I just, it was the summertime, and there was nothing else to listen to, and I just really got into that team. And then I was becoming a dad, and I was like, I can't be the dad who gets his kids to like the team that doesn't exist.

I have to pick a team. It's not going to be the Yankees. It's not going to be the Mets. It's going to be the Blue Jays. It's Canada's team. And so since 2015, I've supported. the Blue Jays, but let it be known if the Expos ever come back. That's my

team forever in my heart. But it's a great sport. It's been a great season and I'm very much looking forward to the playoffs and I would love to see I would love to see the Jays win for Canada. It has been a while. 1993 was the last time. Shirt Guy Lee. Hey Ariel, hope you are refreshed and welcome back in our lives. No questions today. Just a reminder

to all get out there and vote on world mMA awards.com to make it number 15 for the nose I believe it would be 16 and number one for uncrown See you in Vancouver, let's go Jazz DeVisius. Are we going to the awards this year? Jazz DeVisius! Should we go, guys?

Is that an invite? I mean, everyone. No? I'll be there, boss. All right. Alec, Nicolao, any love for your Adelaide Crows? Yes, we've got right in the corner over there, camera three,

bottom, next to the glory, Right next to the Pereira, you can probably see it on camera two, sorry. Camera two, bottom left, there's an Adelaide Crow's mug. Minor premieres this year and going to the finals is the favorite. Golly! I didn't know that. Yeah, they're currently in first. You knew this. 72 points.

Did you really know this? Yeah. I think it was two years ago, me and Rick got a hot tit from someone to take the Collingwood magpies, and we bet a future on them. And they were shit. They were terrible. It's tough. I think when I started supporting them,

they were in the basement a la forest. Yeah. And they might be a bit of a... Number one. People used to claim there was a Hawwani curse, but I actually think it's the complete opposite. Hey, here's a question for G.C. from Gary, do you bet on a fighter you like

even though you think that fighter will lose? For example, I bet Olavera to beat I'llia because I can't bet against a fighter I like. All the time. But because I like them, I think they're going to win. Like, if I thought Olaver was going to lose, then I wouldn't have bet on. I would have just cheered for him.

Okay. But yeah, I mean, a lot of times my emotion is getting the way of my bidding. But that's all right. Slanging and banging says, greetings, friends. Oh, how I missed you also. I just wanted to shout out the crowds in China

as one of the best out there, such resounding chants all throughout, so very passionate of their own, but respectful to their opponents. Arrivederchi, Grazie. Another thing I learned, I always used to say,

grazie. You know, it's not actually grazie, guys, right? It's more of a, Grazie. It happens all very quickly, but like on its own, it's grazie. You're a man of culture. Oil beef hooked.

Yo, Halwani, for a company worth 12 billion, how shit are the fight announcements? It's so bloody hard to get hyped with zero hype. Dana Legit looks constipated and bored with it on his insta reels. By the way, Pizzi, what are the odds you boys offer a charity auction where the highest bidder wins a Guinness Pub with yourself and Halwani must come partake and keep up with the big dogs? yeah absolutely let's do it but whatever happens to me after I have a certain amount of them down me that's on you we'll have the signs

I'm going to waiver make sure everyone can leave safer at least I'll have no legal liability if something goes wrong but I'm absolutely down for that did that not say that Hawani has to keep up with the big dogs hell yeah so he has to go Guinness for Guinness pint for pint no problem no problem love it

I'm there for that play Florida Ariel, considering the circus fight weekend, this is the most important question of the day. What was your single best food experience in Italy? Oh, well, Italia, actually, it should be. I'm happy that you ask. This is it. No, no, no, we do care.

This is the recommendation. Everyone's been asking me, what's been the best meal that I had? Do you guys want to know the best meal? Yeah. Tell us. Tell us. Okay. First day there, literally right off the plane, three, four hours.

put up the slide show I do have a slide show a place called Piccolo buco no reservations you have to stand in a line across the street couldn't believe we got in

the line was gigantic but we got there fairly early because we were fresh off the plane one of the best pizza pies I've ever had I think I sent you guys a video there's one pie

that they had with a burrata in the middle cut it and it just like melts throughout I'm looking at a picture right now because I wanted to get the name right

The crust was so fluffy. I believe this is how they do it in Napoli. You understand? One of the best pizza pies I've ever had in my life. Piccolo Bucco. Super thin. If you're ever in Roma. Yeah, man, we understood Napoli.

We got it. If you're ever in Roma, it's not Rome, it's Roma. If you're ever in Roma. It's the hand. Do you find yourself a diehard Marvin Vittori fan now that you've returned? Nah, that's a bridge too far. That's a bridge too far for me. But Alessio Sakara, I'm all about him.

You're jazzed for the all-Italian quarterfinal, Yonix Sinner. Oh, that's my guy. Lorenzo Mussetti tonight. Jamal 2020, just saw Jeremy Lynn this weekend at the Golden State Valkyrie's game in San Francisco. Talk about the days of Nixon-Linsanity. Oh, my God. Shout out to him.

Congratulations on a great career. He just retired. I will never forget the winter of 2012. I'm about to become a dad. February game night before Super Bowl. I'm in Vegas covering that pay-per-view so this is 2012, this is UFC 143. The Knicks suck.

I'm still sort of following them and I'll never forget he's playing the Nets. Mike Dan Tony coach. Mello's a little bit hurt, this and that and they signed Jeremy Lynn 10-day contract. He comes in and he blows the, I mean, he blows the roof off the

garden floor and everyone's like, oh my God, who is this guy? And I think the second game was against the Wizards and I remember watching that and then he dunked and he had all this stuff and I was like, holy shit and then that week

I went to Omaha for Diego Sanchez versus Jake Ellenberger and I remember it was Valentine's Day night and I'm in my room watching on my laptop was it stream east

I don't know what it was and he hits that three top of the three against the Raptors Steve Novak is going crazy Jared Jeffries is going crazy and I'll tell you what my biggest my biggest regret was

that Friday night, he played Kobe and the Lakers at the garden. My good friend Kevin Wang said, let's go, we got to go, we got to go. And I was about to go to Japan for UFC 144, and I didn't want to leave my wife who was pregnant with our son who was going to be born two months. I was like, I'm just going to watch that at home. And that's when he scored 38 on the Lakers. And Kobe said beforehand, like, who's that? I don't know who you're talking about.

And everyone who's there says it's one of the great moments in MSG history. I mean, just from afar, I was I was, I was, I was, loving it. And then he had a couple other great ones. And then the heat game, which actually happened while I was in the air. And everyone was like, oh my God, he's been exposed because the heat double teamed him. And then he got hurt. And then he signed with the rockets. And it ended. It was an incredible two-week stretch. He was on Sports Illustrated back-to-back weeks. In the midst of that, MSG and Time Warner had an issue. And they were threatening not to air the games. It was a wild time. It was a wild time. A revolting blob. Hey, Ariel and the

uncrowned crew. I've got an idea for the Yahoo! who commercial breaks, you should play the raw footage of past fighters slash guests on the show waiting on the Zoom link before they get called in for the interview. Just think about it. I get to sit there with Dan Hooker as he just sits there blankly and scrolls through his phone for two minutes, pure unfiltered electricity. You're welcome for the incredible idea. That's actually a great idea. I like it. Ryan Burris says, I just wanted to throw out there that you're better than the version that Dylan Dennis brings out of you. Don't let him drag you down to his level. Much love from a long time.

fan. I agree. I hated that interview. I really did. I joke that I felt like I needed a shower, but the truth is, like, I don't want to fight with someone. I don't want to get into a pissing contest with someone. I'm not trying to, like, get into, like, a tit for tat. I actually want to talk, and if it gets contentious or if it gets, like, into a debate, that's fine. But he comes in with this energy, like he's just trying to make a moment and one-up me and insult me, and and all this. And I just, it's not fun. There's nothing fun about that. And then I do feel like I stoop and I do feel embarrassed by that to a degree. Corray, random question. The only thing you posted when you were away was saying Andrew Tate was negotiating with misfits for a fight,

advanced negotiations. And it wasn't the only thing. It posted some other stuff too, the Chale thing. Can you tell us what you've been told? It's pretty much that. And they're looking for the end of the year, December. Just a couple more. Beloved NFL opening week from Connor. Go Ravens. Get the fuck out of here with the Go Ravens. Big game Sunday night.

Holy shit. Can't wait. Incredible. The return of Mark Andrews. Baked beans. Are you feeling refreshed and ready for the push until the end of the year? Yes. Jason Tackerman, my guy, Tack, Unk, let's get right into it.

What are your top five favorite Italian meals? Ah, I've been dying for someone to ask me this. You definitely put him up for this. I swear to God, on my life. Piccolo Bucco top, the affogato, any of them, really. But the one that I had at the David Place, I couldn't go to Vivali, closed on a Monday. It was a whole problem. The pizza that I made was quite nice.

I asked for ananas, which is pineapple in French. Couldn't think of the and the lady actually joked that she wanted me to leave so we had to settle on we had to settle on olives but you know

it's something I learned about the pizza you put a little basil but you hide the the cheese on top of it because if you put the basil alone with the mutated not on top it actually burns

did you guys know that? Yeah hide the cheese on top of we do now we fucking know yeah the past on the thing went to a couple places

can't remember their name you know Honor Jordan sent me like a whole freaking McGillah, which I appreciated it. And I was like three quarters through my trip, and then I turned to my wife, Jack, and I was like, I don't write any of this down. I probably

should write some of this down, because we've gone to some banger places. I don't remember any of them anymore. Tremissue McDonald's? Exquisite. What? You heard it? Tirmisu at McDonald's. Honestly, wasn't the worst Tirmissue we had in Italy last year.

No, no, I'm a little more high class than that. Wow. Well. I mean, I'm having Tirmissue at McDonald's. I mean, What is this? You can't do that accent in McDonald's, you know? You've got to do that at the fancy restaurants. Any super chats, guys? Super chats!

PTA, have you ever been to Italy? Yeah. Or Italia, sorry. Yeah, I was there last year. Oh, where'd you go? Mylophe Coast, baby. Where'd you go? I went to the Malfi Coast.

Oh, must be nice. Must be nice to go to the Malfi Coast. I didn't go. Where'd you go to Lake Como? No, that's... Were you at Logan Paul's wedding, too? Yeah, I was. And it was fucking great.

Why was GSP there, by the way? I asked him, and he was just like, I fucking want to be here. So shut your mouth, Irish. And I was like, all right, fair enough, mate. But, uh... Did you go to the Vatican? Yeah.

Did you know that the Vatican is the smallest country in the world? Yeah. I also knew that. What are the top two smallest countries in the world? Vatican And

Vatican And Vatican Monaco Monaco This is from Jakey Nader Did something change

Well I mean You left us high and dry So Jake Nader 720 You asked Pizzi a question Been loving the wrestling Call How dare you

On crowned How did you get Scott To Amore to be on board Also as a forest fan Which clubs do you hate the most Well of course I hate Nott County I mean, no forest fan would support Knox County.

We also hate Lester. These days we really, we really hate Crystal Palace because they got their panties in a bunch over the whole Europa League thing, and then they've disrespected our owner, Mr. Marinacchus, who I think is one of the best and most honorable owners in all of sport. They had this big sign, it was not nice.

And so I hate those clubs. Scott DeMore came to us from the great Anton Vans who does some work for Anavans, sorry, Major League. Hang on, are you not team Nuno, no? I love Nuno. By the way, if you actually did your research on the topic,

the beef isn't between Mr. Maranakis and the gaffer, the manager, Mr. Nuno Espirito Santo. The beef is actually between Nuno Spirito Santo, our gaffer, our manager, and Edu, who came over from... Director of Football, actually. Yeah, he came over from Arsenal

and he has a relationship with a, well, Mr. Maranakis, but he didn't know he had this relationship with this certain agent who seems to be, they seem to be in cahoots, and they're not listening to the gaffer, they're not listening to the manager on who he wants to sign, but I have to say the transfer window just was a success, in my opinion. I mean, the names that they signed, this young lad from France is unbelievable. Bikawa, I think his name is, Zenchenko, who saw that coming.

some people they were implying that it was the Arsenal connection that got him over whatever the case is I support the manager I support the gaffer

and it was a bad loss to West Ham we all need a break international break this weekend and then we'll come back against Arsenal what a

count with them all yeah count one of them all yeah Scott DeMore Anton brought him to us he works for Maple Leaf

I love the columns love I always wanted to do like a roster port type of thing that was the vision and i think it's been phenomenal so uh long made continue frank you sleeping at the wheel or what what happened to what else oh what else you're right you go to italy and just whatever so super producer ryan maddox writes can mondays be more commentary based on the past weekend and tuesdays be more guest heavy now with no time limit.

Best part of the show in A.H. And the boy is talking about all the latest news and notes. Wow. There's a couple of comments. I didn't even know that people could comment on the superchats. I love this idea 100%. This man is on to something totally agrees. Sometimes it's too many interviews.

Wow. You guys want less interviews. Is that what you're saying? By the way, no one would be happier about that than me. Less booking on a Sunday. It's probably me and Alan Murphy would be the two happiest people. Share to Alan. Legend.

I was actually thinking of moving on the nose to Tuesday. What do you guys think of that? You like that better? Why? It's a great idea. For situations like this, it seems like, for some reason, Tuesdays seem to be the hardest day. Tuesdays always seem to be the hardest day to book. Okay.

Then there you go. I'll take it. Anyway, I'm a creature of habit. What else? Wait, so it's not moving? No, I just thought about it. I just asked the question. I'm doing it.

I want to move it. That's so on brand for you. I'm just thinking. Uh, fucking. Next one is actually, uh, shouting mysterious Frank. Welcome back, Frank. I guess that's a missing puzzle piece to love it. Hashtag team Frank.

Keep it coming, guys. You know where the Zelle is. You know where the Cache app is. Doesn't that mean something else? I mean, I don't know. Okay. Anyway. What else?

What else? Ariel, you should do Crocker versus Donovan face off. Oh, yeah. Fight week ahead of their rematch. I would. Love that. The big, Patty Donovan. Yeah, it's great.

That's next week. Bigger than Canella Crawford, if you ask me. You're going, right, PT? It's got a better atmosphere. Better fucking atmosphere. I think of that much. Yeah, I can't wait. Yeah.

You were on a conference call with them yesterday, right? Today. Was it today? Yeah, he has a little facial hair going. Very, uh... He's a superstar. Both of them are on there or just one? No, I've got Mr. Crocker tomorrow.

I love it. What about Andy Lee? Andy Lee. He was, I think Patty was actually broadcasting. from Andy Lee's Gaff. Yeah. I can't wait for that. Man, that fucking first fight was crazy.

The first fight was crazy was controversial, right? Oh my God. And the atmosphere in the place became really tribal when Patty got disqualified. Obviously, that's been overturned now and now that are the first Irish duo

that ever competed for a world title against each other. It's going to be in Windsor Park, which is going to have 24 to 30,000 people there. So if you imagine the atmosphere, fear that was in the SZ Hydro that night. That's about 10,000. We're going to multiply that by three in an outdoor arena.

It's going to be absolutely mental. Like, there's still tickets on sale, but like their nosebleed situations, but it's going to be packed out. And it's just amazing to see boxing, making people feel a certain way in this country again. Like, that's what I asked, Patty today. He was saying, like, the people made this fight. They most certainly did.

But isn't it amazing to see boxing, making people feel? that way in Ireland after all of the regency shooting, how to pause the whole scene here, how it kind of came back alive with Katie's fights against Cameron in the three arena. And now we've got a whole new generation of world champions potentially beyond this fight. And September 13th, you got that, you've got Noce, you've got Cannell Crawford. What a day, guys. Can't wait. I don't know. What else, Frankie?

Super moderator Olajuwon Dreams says shout out Hong Manchooy versus Jose Cansego. I think he's referring to the super fights. Oh, not super fights. Freak Show fights when I was talking about that. Yeah, that's a classic. That's a classic. What was that? Oh, the promotion.

Gosh, it wasn't Singoku. It wasn't Risen. What was it? It was with an R. What was that? What was that? Anyone remember it? Ken Seiko against Hongman.

It was a long name. Was it dream? There was something else. There's not New Year's Eve when had a certain name. It had a name, right? Re-something. It's going to kill me now. Oh, fucking hell.

It's going to kill me. It's something with an R. Fador fought on it. Do you remember? Yep. The chat probably knows. Thumbs up to the chat. It was something.

Oh, this is going to kill me. Come on. With an R, with an R. Was it? Not Risen. It's not Strike Force. Yaronoka. There it is.

Yaronoka. Shout out. What else, Frankie? The combined IQ of the chat during this rampage interview is 78. I can't wait for the civil comment section when y'all uploaded as a video. Was it bad? I wasn't locked in on the chat. I'm sure everyone had.

Don't ask questions. I'm sure all the legal experts. What else? What else? Please do an interview with the owner of Fight Circus. They're doing their first U.S. show next month. He'd be an amazing interview. Oh, gosh.

Where's the show? Let's go. we should uh we should do a stream from there kick or job or twitch what else frankly did you see the kregg jones mikey debate on mighty mouse's channel think you could get gordon kregg to do one too thanks for all the guys too i love all the uh the ideas for the show yeah no it's great uh gordon and crag i don't see that happening but that would be incredible theater uh i did see he did it i didn't watch it i don't

if you guys know this, but I was in Italia last week. What was your favorite meal? Well, I was really doing my best to not... You didn't fire up Darth Rigotone while you're in Italy? I saw it happen.

That's the quintessential. It was a highly produced face off, man. I was just going to say that. Saw it happen. Was impressed by how it looked. They always do a great job. Was impressed by the idea, the concept.

Two incredible characters. Like, DJ in the middle... What DJ has done is great. And by the way, what Rampage has done, in retirement is great, too, with the Jackson podcast and with the stream. Like, it's cool to see these guys finding their lane, finding their votes. There was once a time where we were the only game in town. And so, you know, I'm happy to have birth all these, you know, all these new lanes and opportunities.

It's a beautiful thing. I'm proud of the guys. Friends of the family, you know? But no, DJ's killing it. He's got like an insane amount of content, great stuff, the death sentence stuff. the death sentence stuff. It's wonderful. It's amazing.

It reminds me of being, you know, you're like in the Duomo, you're walking, you see a gelatria, and you say, give me a nochiola, which is hazelnut. And you guys ever have a hazelnut? You ever have a hazelnut gelato? Tell us about it. Nochiolo. Nociolo. Oh, my God.

It's a bellissimo. It's a bellissimo. And another thing. The whimper. Tell us about it. Another thing, it's a bonjourno in the morning, it's a Buena cera in the evening, and only going to bed, it's a Buena no-night. It's a morning. Only for bedtime.

Good night. Bonjourno. It's a bonjourno in the morning. It's a Buena cera on the afternoon, and it's a Buenaute in the evening. Only good night. Good morning. Good afternoon. Good night.

No, no. You can't see someone at like 7 o'clock and say, buonanote. That means you're going to bed. Yeah, you could say good evening, though. You say, buenaenaena. Yeah, good evening. I always saw Buena Note was good night. I thought, I thought, good morning, good afternoon, good night.

Not, I'm going to bed. But Buena Note is your signal that I'm like, I'm done. We're done here, you know? I'd say you were hitting a lot of people with that shirt. At the beginning, I was hitting a lot of when you say good night to someone when you're not going to bed. You're walking on the street, you walk into the hotel at the front desk. You're like, yeah, yeah, you're walking to the hotel at the front desk and you pass me and you're like, good night and you're going to bed. You are actually going to bed, then.

No, no, no. I mean, like, I'm leaving for the evening. We're going out to dinner. I say, bono'note. You say that. When you're leaving to go to dinner, you say good night? Yeah. Say good night to them?

I say, well, of course. I'm going to clock this next time. We're on a road trip. Of course. We're all leaving on the day. On the way out. Yes. Not on the way in.

Never heard this man. By the way, you say, chow. You could also say, chow de gatsso. And also, they pick up the vote. You know, they pick up the phone over there. They don't say, hello, bonjourno. they say, Pronto. You know that?

They just say like... Get going. So all of our Italian audience, we need no disrespect. It's actually shocking that they don't say hello. They just say, Pronto. My best friend is Italian. I haven't got one message yet. He watched every show.

I cannot wait for his reactions. 12 in the morning over there. There's six hours ahead over in Italy, not five like you. I learned that as well. What does it mean? He lives in Blanchetown. Oh, perfect. What does Pronto means?

Like, I'm here. Like present. Oh, present. Okay. Yeah, yeah. it's like boys in the hood Pronto means the phone they say Pronto yes

Get going Not like Pronto like quickly or not Also Drake was in Milan the day after we left There was some talk of staying You could have It was some talk of staying He was reforming in Milan

Yeah back to back nights Yeah Cool interview he did there dear Oh that was great Yeah that was great We were at the train station Waiting for our Trent Italia And I saw a big ad for it

And it was actually There was a five guys there And I was like, I can't believe there's a five guys here. This is crazy. It's Italian. Who would be at the five guys? But there were some people. We opted for the, you know, for the local fair.

Yeah, yeah. You don't want that low budget stuff. I know. Well, they have one last thing. One last thing. One last thing. They have this little bun thing with the cream in the middle. You know that Peece?

A Boston cream donut? I didn't talk so. What did you say, Jordan? And why did you do it with your hand? I started speaking. right before Conor and now. Marigots.

Marito. Also, I just want to say all your like manicotties and all that, don't come to Italy with that shit, all right?

They don't got your manicotti. You are the official spokesperson of Italy now. I essentially went to Italy. I had some canoli Ben and Jerry's over the break. It was actually

quite delicious. It's my favorite flavor of Beninjuries. If you ever see it, buy it. You want to know the first time I had it? I was actually watching

the Godfather. It's the closest I've ever gotten in. I'm going to make an offer that you can't review. Yeah, while I'm stuffing my face with a pite on Ben and Jerry's canoli. I still have some chocolate cover. I've watched Mikey Musamichi. Yeah, I mean, that's our rigatone over here.

They have rigatone over in Italy. It's, it's different. It's different, but I'll save that. You know, next time rigatone comes on, you're going to have to say. Oh, you and Mikey is going to be great next time. Have you ever had the time? Tomatoes in Italy. Oh, don't get me started.

Don't get me started on the road. Oh, yeah, good point, Frankie. Roma, tomato. What do you know about Rome? That's because they're from Rome? Yeah. I believe so. I never know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I'll be back, by the way. Oh, by the way. Oh, by the Olympics. In like four months. No, no, no. I'm going to be there for two and a half weeks. You think I'm bad now. That's what I'm saying.

In like four months, you're going back for. I'm going to be calling you guys from fucking Italy. You were so insufferable in Paris for the summer games. I can't imagine what it's going to be like winter. I'm going to kill it. I'm going to kill it. It's going to be incredible. It's going to be an incredible time.

All right. We're out of time, guys. We're out of time. Wow, you hit that music really quick there for. Yeah. A whole five-hour, 20-minute show. Yeah. The boys are back in tune.

End girl. No, we missed a show on Monday. We had to make up for lost time. Not to mention all the shows that we missed over the last, you know, a week and a half. Boy, where were you for the last week and a half? Oh, so in Italy. Thank you for asking. It's a great place.

I highly recommend it. You, uh, oh, you don't get me started on the, what is it, the sprits? That a petro sprits? Oh, Apparel Sprits, baby. You know yourself. The Lemoncello Sprits as well. I was just about to say the Lemoncello Sprits. The Molfi Sprits are unbelievable.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. You ever have the lemon with the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, sorbetto oh did you have any limoncello while you were there no no the actual lemon with the sorbetto

no everyone has it no limoncello no they take a they take a lemon they take the lemon they put the sorbet in it they take it out and then you get it and it's overflowing balissima oh my god

and by the way it's not sorbet sorbet or sorbet it's sorbet you're just throwing that one You're just throwing O on the end of anything. I'll tell you, it's gelato. Just fucking in the music. You know what you sound like?

You sound like my dad. One time I went to Budapest and like locals call it Budapest. And so when you get home and my dad was like, I just got back from Budapest. My mom was like, would you shut the fuck up? No one calls it that here. It's just Budapest. Yeah, you got to speak like the locals. Ibiza, Ibiza, Catalonia.

What a day, guys. Chils Sonnen, Diante, Luke, Andre, Alex, Plini. Rampage Back tomorrow Same time but it says A piece I'm out here