The Ariel Helwani Show - Robbie Lawler in studio, Maycee Barber speaks, Keyshawn Davis, UFC 316 preview, On The Nose

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Ariel Helwani and the Boys in the Back answer your On the Nose questions to start the show (7:34), then GC hops on the Aviron bike, but has Sean Brady accepted the challenge?Keyshawn Davis calls in to preview his WBO lightweight title defense against Edwin De Los Santos and talk about meeting Michael Vick and Allen Iverson in his hometown, speculation around Gervonta "Tank" Davis, Teofimo Lopez’s recent comments, his relationship with boxing, and more (1:03:21).Maycee Barber clears the air on the medical emergency that forced her to pull out of her UFC main-event fight against Erin Blanchfield and discusses what she remembers from the night (1:31:14).Robbie Lawler, soon-to-be two-time UFC Hall of Famer, joins in studio to discuss coaching, his upcoming second induction, his connection with Rory MacDonald, BKFC rumors, BJ Penn’s recent troubles, life after fighting, and relives moments from his historic career (1:54:06).The Boys check back in with Ariel and finish with more On the Nose questions and Super Chats (2:53:40).Join us on the bike: avironactive.com/uncrowned

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Of course we are approaching June 7th Newark Brick City Prudential Center UFC 316 that's my Stone Cold theme song it's a big one I saw Juliana over at the Giants training camp the training facility I believe it's the... What is it? The team quest? What is it called over there? There she is with Jameis Winston. Look at it. Look at the glow up. Look at the glow up with Juliana. Look at her with QB1. That's Big Russ.

I think... Look at her. She's like holding court there in awe Is that Tommy DeVito? Yeah, look at this look at this this is a great this is a great one right here She does a face off with one of them Here we go. Here we go. She breaks them. Who's that? Jabroni? He'd even last like point three seconds Touch the belt touch the belt. I think I saw her with coach day ball, too. This is cool. I Love this

Winston's a character man. What's his name? Jameis Winston. Jameis. Jameis. I said that one time to DC on the show because he was on the Saints and he was like, what are you talking about? I was like, isn't it Jameis? What is it? It's not Team Quest. It's called something Quest. Something Quest Diagnostics. Quest Diagnostics. There it is. next to met life for some reason the Giants have their training facility right next to met life

But the jets are all the way in Florham Park like they're like 30 minutes away. I don't know how that How that broke down but good for Juliana Looking forward to it We'll talk about UFC 316 on the program in particular in the first hour on the nose coming up arielhawani.substack.com is the place to be for all your on the nose queries. Got a ton of them already at two o'clock. We'll be joined by Kishan Davis who returns to action also on June 7th. So it's a busy, busy weekend in the world of combat sports because not only do we have the UFC, we've got

Kishan fighting, we've got Jaya Pataya fighting this weekend as well, we've got a big one over at Portman Road in Ipswich, Justice Hoonig against Fabio Wardley, we have had both of those fighters on the Arra and Nade program, we had Justice on yesterday, Wardley on last week, we had Richardson Hitchens, I mean we've been talking to a lot of people as of late and that is very, very fun and very exciting and hope you enjoy all the content. Yeah, so we'll get into all of that as far as on-the-nose is concerned. Then we'll get to Keyshawn Davis. Then at 2 30, Macy Barber is going to join us to talk about everything that transpired this past weekend in Las Vegas how she's feeling what exactly happened all that and more will be Covered in our conversation with Macy Barber and then my friends in something. I never ever thought would happen

I mean I in a million years that I ever think we would get an opportunity to have Robbie Lawler Ruthless Robbie Lawler one of the greatest fighters of all time Soon to be two-time UFC Hall of Famer Robbie Lawler, ruthless Robbie Lawler, one of the greatest fighters of all time, soon to be two-time UFC Hall of Famer. Got in the first time a couple years ago for his fight against the great Rory McDonnell that UFC 189 immortalized right over there. And this summer, or actually I should say in about, oh I don't know, three and a half weeks, he's going to go in for his own contributions in the modern wing

Which is a little bit interesting because I feel like he's a og but I guess modern would be post-suit for purchase anyway He's going in Robbie Lawler former UFC welterweight champion former elite XC Champion strike force contender. I mean just an absolute legend the the resume is insane he is going to join us in studio. One of the greatest fighters of all time, and also one of the most entertaining fighters of all time, and one of the most no-nonsense fighters of all time.

Like, definitely didn't love doing media. We're going to get him in studio to have an extended chat about his illustrious Hall of Fame career. I cannot wait. That will be at 3 o'clock. A huge, huge honor. I was reliving some of his greatest moments. Until this day, I have said it before on the program, the knockout against Melvin Manhoff and the knockout against Matt Lindlin are two of my favorites of all time. Not just favorite Robbie Lawler knockouts, favorite knockouts, period.

And I think Manhoff is number one all time for me. No joke. The leg getting kicked up like this in Miami, up, up. favorite knockouts period. And I think Manhoff is number one all time for me, no joke. The leg getting kicked up like this in Miami, up, up, Manhoff just killing his legs. And then he's like, yeah, enough of this. I'm knocking your ass out, cold, incredible stuff. There was no one like him. He'll be in studio.

Shout out to Mark Kriegel. He was here yesterday promoting this book, which is out. If you're a fan of good sports writing, if you're a fan of boxing, if you're a fan of boxing, if you're a fan of fighting, if you're a fan of Mike Tyson, if you're just a fan of great books, check it out. Baddest man in the making of Mike Tyson. We wish him well with the release yesterday.

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Ever since John Jones' recent stretch of tomfoolery, pardon the pun or not, I've been thinking he's making the UFC look pretty weak. Do you think he's actually opening the door for other fighters to have more leverage in negotiations? When a champion gets called to fight, they know the UFC doesn't have many backup options for that spot. It only makes sense for them to ask for better terms. It depends on who you are and what kind of leverage and power you have.

If your answer is they could just strip them, consider how it looks if they can't make champs step in or have to replace them with last minute backups. Sure, there's a science to it and managers need to know how to push, but overall do you think John Jones is helping fighters gain more negotiation power in the long run? I will say this, what you're implying is some sort of union, if you will, some sort of unified front. I'm not suggesting that they do this, but it's the same mindset that you are suggesting. What if all the fighters are sitting back one day and there's a report that comes out, I don't know, on variety or front office sports or ESPN PR newswire. And they say, we have just signed the UFC to a multi-billion multi-year deal X, Y, and Z. It begins in 2026.

It will be for this amount, for this many events on this platform with this pay per view, this and that. You would think at this point, the fighters would say, well, like, wait a second, if you don't have us, you don't have that deal. If we all just sat back and said, we're not, if the fighters, if someone got the fighters who are competing at UFC 360 and this weekend

to say, we're going to stay in the hotel until you raise whatever, the base pay, our cut of the pie, we get a cut of the pie, whatever, that would change a lot. But they ain't doing that. And so you think the champions are doing this? They're not doing it. It's actually not that hard because there's only so many managers in the game who then have their tentacles out to so many fighters. If you get five, six, seven managers on board, it can be

done. The problem is a lot of these managers are more concerned with their own relationship with UFC brass than their fighters relationship because the fighters are going to come and go. They need to continue to negotiate and be in their good graces, get their fighters in, get them opportunities, all that stuff and more. But if they had a unified front, a lot would change. Spoiler, there will be no unified front and nothing is going to change. And so John is telling no one what to do. He is just doing whatever he wants right now. There is no blueprint being put out by John Jones.

There could be, but there isn't. In addition to what you said, it's such a competitive individual sport, right? They're not incentivized like NBA, NFL. Now there are certainly like PGA and tennis. There's all kinds of other individual sports where they do have some kind of collective rights and some kind of representation, but it's such a competitive individual sport.

John Jones doesn't necessarily care what somebody else is getting paid. Now, will there be one day where somebody or powerful people do? Maybe, but at the moment, it just seems like everybody's incentivized to make the most possible money they can for themselves. And to your example of like, hey, strike on the day of,

there's going to be half the people who go, no, I need my paycheck, and I'm going to fight. And so it's a very tough thing to foresee at this moment happening. And by the way, there can't be a divided front in that. Like it can't be Juliana and Kayla saying, okay, we're not going to go because then the show will just go on. Show goes on. Yeah. All right. So we'll do 11 fights instead of 12. It has to truly be a unified front. And there's so many fighters. That's why why I say the managers it has to come from the managers because there's like five six seven managers who control a thousand

fighters basically. You can't get to the thousand but if you could get to the guys representing them and and and those guys convinced the fighters that this is in their best interest maybe maybe maybe you have a chance but it is I mean it's it's unbelievable what the UFC has built for itself and WWE, because they're a lot, you know, similar in this regard. There is, there is no push to share the revenue, to break up the pie a little more evenly.

There's nothing. And every other sport has that and the athletes benefit greatly from it. And the fighters just sit back and they've seen the mat look busier than ever. They've seen their sponsors get stripped. They've seen what they could wear get stripped. All these things. And oh, by the way, they've seen the sport only get more popular.

And they've seen the TV deals and all the revenue surrounding the sport only get bigger and bigger bigger and their cut is zero zero which is a wild thing here's mr. C was GFL the equivalent of the fire oh he this individual said something else about I and I lost oh yeah he said he loved the Tim Simpson sit down have you you considered having Orin Hodak on the show? More covered to the power players willing to talk about MMA would be awesome. Yeah that would be a great one. I would love to have Orin on. KO reps, he is one of

the best. He's been in the game for a long time. Is this, maybe this guy is Orin Hodak. Maybe Mr. Mystery Balls is actually Orin. But yes, I love those chats. I love, that's why I love boxing because there's a lot more of those guys willing to talk. A lot of the managers don't want to talk or the promoters don't want to talk, whatever. Obviously there aren't a ton of promoters in MMA compared to boxing, but I love the manager chats.

I love the promoter chats, the TV executive chats, etc. C. Was GFL the equivalent of the fire festival just to complete another scam? What was the point or his end goal of the entire thing? No, I don't think that they were trying to scam. I just think that they were in over their head. I think they didn't quite understand the breakdown of the sport. I think they, you know, they bit off way more than they can chew. You know, in our conversation with Sean Merriman yesterday,

he was talking about like, you don't have to go crazy off the bat. He's 100% right and I don't think you need to be an expert to know that. It just seemed very grandiose, very pie in the sky and unsustainable. He's asking me was this always a hoax? No it was. Darren Owen based on all my conversations with him, was very sincere in his belief that he could pull this off. But, you know, that's not enough. There has to be an actual plan, a realistic plan. You have to be able to build a budget. And he just didn't have that. And as I said, there were many warning signs. Like the team concept is flawed.

The schedule flawed. The days that he was talking about flawed. The draft flawed. The payouts flawed. And that's why I said I thought that they were DOA. Somehow that got missed in all of this, but it did not seem very promising. Steve Buscemi, let me ask you something. As a superstitious person, why would you kiss the trophy?

That simple smooch may have created a domino effect. Fuck off. no way. I'm not even paying attention to that. First of all, we beat the Celtics. If you would have said something, it would have been like we'd lose to the Celtics, not true. And second of all, if you think that I, Nick's fan, who has nothing to do with the team whatsoever, I ain't Jalen Brunson, I'm not Leon Rose, I'm not Tom Thibodeau, are you implying that anything I do

is going to, come on, that's crazy. I didn't touch the trophy and the results are the same. And we lost, yeah. It's on me? By the way, I have that kind of power on the Knicks. I think you not touching the trophy, Jordan, got you guys through the Celtics

to the Eastern Conference. Oh. And then Ariel touching the trophy is what caused the eventual loss. Yeah, that's it. It's unfortunate, man. Stop it. What'd you do?

You changed your socks at halftime or something? No, you switched to the radio, bro. I switched to the radio, yeah. If that saved the next- That worked, that worked. No, that worked. Then you have to also take accountability. No, that didn't work. Serious question here, though,

to pivot this to something like tangentially relevant to us. Why does MMA not have these kinds of things? Like we've had the M&M curse thing, but there's really not fans who are like, well if I do this thing or do this thing it's gonna affect the outcome. But it feels so like part of like every other type of sport. Maybe because... Was it the game cover? Wasn't there not the game? There's like the curse, like the like there was the Madden curse for a while, there's the M&M walking out, you know the M&M walkout music was one for a while. But like the

fans don't feel individually responsible in a way that I do think they do for like if I don't do this The Knicks are gonna lose if I don't do this the Liverpool is gonna lose Like I feel like it doesn't happen that much like Alex Per is not gonna lose because I didn't put on my luck I was dumb, you know Even the Drake her stuff is dumb and I'm not just saying that that. Like it's, it's, this is all dumb. And by the way, he is right. I am superstitious, but I don't want to be superstitious. Someone was talking to me about superstitions recently and how like, who was it?

It was a fighter. Was it Mike Malott? I think it was Mike Malott when he said he started to talk to his, uh, his sports psychologist person telling him like the moment, no, no, no, it was Eman Zahabi. Remember Eman Zahabi told us that he had a thing that he wouldn't allow his wife to come to the fights because he went on the role post pandemic. And then he said like, he needed to let go of that. And so he allowed her to come to the Montreal fight

and he won and just to prove that none of this matters and none of it affects the actual outcome. This is all silliness. By the way, if you want to say that I have that kind of impact on the Knicks, I am, I am very, very honored, but I, I'd like to be realistic and think that that's not true. California kid, hey team, quick fun one for each of you. What is your fight of the year so far in 2025? Personally, I can't shake how the U-Bank-Bend fight made me feel while watching in my San Diego Resort balcony. The walkouts alone were pure cinema. Both walkout songs gave me the chills.

And the fight was action from opening bell to the end. Any other contenders that hold the candle? So are you saying just fight of the year, regardless of sport? Yeah, that might be it. Huse-Usman? As far as MMA is concerned, Hughes Ustman and Bilal JDM to me are the two best, right? It's kind of slim pickings, not gonna lie.

But as far as MMA is concerned, I'd have to go with those. There's one I'm forgetting, I don't know. Shout out to his San Diego Resort balcony though. Yeah, sounds great. Better Be a Bibble 2 was a great one in February. Yeah, I liked you, Hank Ben better. Oh yeah, yeah, sounds great. Nice. Better Be a Bibble II was a great one in February. Yeah, I liked You, Bank, Ban better. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. You, Bank, Ban was great, yeah, in fairness.

It just had it all. It had the story, it had the buildup, it had the walkouts, it had the fight, it had it all. So yeah. Okay, so there's a guy named Snack Shack who I swear to God, I swear to God it has been 10 straight weeks now. And he posts a variation of the same question. So just to serenity now this once and for all, I will answer the question and

you guys are going to be blown away by this question. I swear, it's every week I see it, and I skip it because I don't think anyone wants to hear me talk about this, but he wants it and he's freaking out. All right. Snack Shack. I still don't understand why you refuse to answer the vaccination question. Is it that big of a deal? We just want to hear your opinion. I stress opinion. You give your opinion on everything else. And with young kids, I want to know if that is something that worried you or if you trust the vaccination process. Snack Shack is dying to know my thoughts on the vaccine. Get off the fence. Oh boy, make it.

Now Snack Shack, let me ask you a follow-up so that we can keep this going till next week. Are you specifically talking about the COVID-19 vaccine? Are you talking about vaccinations in general? You might as well answer them all so that we're basically covered. That is a great question. Are we flu shotting it? Are we getting our third boosters? Are you loyal to Johnson & Johnson?

Are you an advisor guy? By the way I'm looking at my thing. You have to look at your passport. No, June 12th I'm due for booster eight. Booster? Booster eight? Yeah I get it every quarter. What are your thoughts on Evermetson? I think it's all good. Listen, can I tell you? I don't give a fuck what you do. Did I get vaccinated? Yes. Did I get one booster? Yes. Did I stop after that? Yes. Did I get the flu shot? Yes. Did my kids get vaccinated? Yes, but it was like the half one. And I won't lie. I won't lie one, like there have been times where I was like, did we get conned? Did we get scammed?

But if you go back to that period, like we couldn't go to Canada. We couldn't visit our family without it. They couldn't go back to school. Was that right? Was that wrong? I don't know, but I'm just fucking trying to live. I'm just trying to move on.

So I'm not trying to sit here and fight the power, fight the system. They told us to do it. There were massive roadblocks. If you didn't do it, you couldn't live your life. We didn't know when this would end. Would it be 10 years that my kids couldn't see their grandparents, that I couldn't see my parents?

So I did it. As far as flu shots and things like that, yeah, I get that. And I think like the regular stuff, but like, I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm just not that guy. I'm like, I don't, I don't really care. Wasn't this like five years ago anyway? Next you're going to tell me you got the polio vaccine too. I think I did. Or did I not?

Yeah, you definitely did. I feel much better knowing this, if I'm being honest. Now that I know where you stand, I feel a lot better. That's my thing, Pete. See, this was like five years ago. People are still holding on to this. Specifically the vaccination process. I think he means all vaccines.

Yeah, the vaccination process, it was kind of like, you know, questionable like how quickly they came up with it. but like five years ago. No adverse effects. No adverse effects, there are a lot of questions. I've had zero adverse effects. Some have, some have. Some people have. I have very weird.

Isn't that what every fucking vaccine, like is that how it works? Yes, any medication. You ever seen a medicine commercial? Yeah. I lost all my jobs because of the pandemic and the only way I could work was to travel to England. So what the fuck do you want me to do in this situation? Do you know what I mean? Just stay unemployed. There was a time period here. You couldn't go into a bar without it

You couldn't go into a restaurant without it. Exactly what do you want me to do? I just want to bring this back. Fight the power, Pizzi. It seems like it's at a boil I want to bring this back to a simmer because this person has not suggested this guy this guy didn't be fired up I'm with him. that it's bad or good. He hasn't asked. I don't think he's attacking you for having that kind. I agree because I think he feels attacked.

The fact that he's asking about this in 2025, I think it makes his stance pretty clear. Yeah, come on. You know what I've always said about this? We would do the media workout interviews and I'd be next to the fighters and whatnot. This is pre-pandemic. And I would ever once think to myself like,

I wonder if he got his flu shot. I wonder if he's fully, I don't give a fuck if you are. If you're not, I don't think less of you. I don't think more of you. Just do you, man. Just do whatever makes you happy, whatever you're comfortable with. I'm not trying to make any sweeping generalizations,

accusations, none of that. Just do you. Do you, brother. Can't wait for him to ask the same question next week. Can't wait. Eric. That's gonna be a variation. Eric Hamidi,

New York Rick made an appearance on submission radio where they gave their top three basketball movies. What are yours? Does Eight Crazy Nights count? No, come on. Eight Crazy Nights. He had a small, ooh, that's a great one.

It's an Adam Sandler animated film about Hanukkah. One of the very few Hanukkah movies, highly recommend. It is a great movie, but not a basketball movie. I'll write it down. So. Another Hanukkah basketball movie. Should I tell my three and then we can spin off that? Yes, but let Jordan finish his thought.

Full Court Miracle, if you know, you know. No, I don't know that one. I don't know that one either. Disney Channel original movie, you guys don't know let Jordan finish his thought. Full Court Miracle, if you know, you know. No, I don't know that one. I don't know that one either. Disney Channel original movie, you guys don't know? Oh yeah, I know Full Court Miracle. Who dreams, does that count? Who dreams is great. What was the Irish one, Jordan?

Luck of the Irish? Luck of the Irish, also a basketball Disney Channel original movie. Yeah, Disney Channel original movie about basketball, also about Ireland. I saw that, bro. In my research, I saw one called like Double Team or Double Tr trouble or something.

And as, yeah, like because we were talking vaccines, DEI, double teamed, two women basketball players end up playing in the WNBA. Wow. My number one was, wait, was it blue chips? No, it was, he got game. Number one, he got game. I mean, I think that's hallowed ground. Coach Carter. Number two, coach Carter was on, uh, was on Mike

bonds and, uh, and Dennis's list. Not on mine. Number two, blue chips. So he got game blue chips. And then number three, a little sneaky one, the six man, the six man is a shout out. Who versus overrated, uh, semi-pro. Man, so many, uh, semi-pro is great. I, I, I think it's, uh, it's, uh, it's The six man. The six man is a shot. Who's your white man can't jump? Who versus overrated?

Semi-pro. I've never seen any of these. Man, so many. Semi-pro is great. I think I'd have to go, he got game. For sure. Blue chips, white man can't jump. We're on the same page.

Wow, no love and basketball. Oh, you asked me for three. Love and basketball is not up there. No. Like Mike? No. I'll stop it. LA Knights? What? You know, there was the- Stop what? Like Mike, are you kidding me? With little Bow Wow little bow wow kid on his you know there was bad well now

Ariel yeah but I think that's space jam yes no there's there's mine right there space jam is a space jam to semi-pro space jam like Mike space jam to one of the worst honors of space jam I think by the way there was a movie back in the day called Heaven is a Playground, and I think it went straight to VHS, but I used to rent it from my video store all the time. That one's a sneaky good one too. Hoop Dreams obviously is incredible. Celtic Pride with Damon Wood. Winning time is good. No, don't put Celtic Pride in the good list. That's on the absolute horrendous movie list. Can I tell you a low- key one that I really loved?

Eddie. Eddie was interesting. Goldberg became coach of the Knicks. Air Bud is good. Air Bud is good. No, no. Basketball Diaries. Basketball Diaries is great too.

Basketball Diaries was great. Oh, I knew I forgot one. Air Bud's great. With Tupac back in the day, Above the Rim. Above the Rim for sure. Everyone see that one? That was a great one. Yeah, there've been a lot, but I feel comfortable with.

I've never felt closer to you than he got game in Blue Chips one and two. I could love Blue Chips. Those are the best. PT, have you seen Blue Chips? I don't know, is it 80s? 80s? No, no, no. Shaq's in it.

Shaq and Penny? Shaq is prime, Shaq, Penny. Okay, Shaq had just gotten drafted to the Orlando Magic. Penny was coming out and was going to go to the Orlando Magic. They were starring in the film together. It was crazy. And he had the insight of, yo, I like this guy. They played real basketball

against real college basketball players. And then they've teamed up in the NBA following the filming of the movie. You guys have seen, you've seen He Got Game, right? Of course. He Got Game is freaking, is one of Spike Lee's best. I mean, there's Do the Right Thing, there's X. Crooklyn is an amazing one too. I don't think it's the best Spike Lee, but God, it's fantastic. So good. Highly, highly, highly, highly, highly, highly. All right, GC, this is gonna get you to watch this. You ready? There's a scene in there where Jesus Shuttlesworth, played by Ray Allen.

You know what? I have seen this. I'm sorry. Of course. I'm sorry. But okay, then what I'll say, yes, that scene with Denzel playing Jesus in the park. So good. Denzel didn't tell Ray Allen that he was gonna really play and scored on him and Ray Allen got furious and Denzel actually scored points against Ray Allen in real basketball. That was the genesis of that. Like they started actually getting competitive because Denzel was scoring on an NBA player. It's fucking incredible shit. It is a great movie. Side note, one of my favorite

scenes ever in any movie is Spike Lee's 25th hour. Has anyone seen 25th Hour? No. 25th Hour is, golly, what's his name? Ed Norton. Ed Norton. 25th Hour is incredible. Oh, the one in New York, right? He goes to jail. He goes to jail and he has 24 hours or 25 hours

and Philip Seymour Hoffman's in it and Rosario Dawson. And there's that one scene that I adore that I look sometimes on YouTube, just to remind me of New York where he goes into the bathroom and it says fuck you on the on the mirror and then he says fuck you fuck you fuck me fuck you and then he goes through every single like stereotype about New York fuck the these guys on the on the lower east side fuck the these guys on the upper east side fuck the these guys on the on the Lower East Side. Fuck the these guys on the Upper East Side. Fuck the these guys.

And it's like every single stair. The Italians in Bensonhurst, the Jews in Midtown, the yuppies on the Upper East. Ah, it's such a great freaking scene. 25th hour, fuck you scene. One of my favorites ever. This is the most- I'm gonna download this for the flight over.

This is the most like pop culture exposure that you've done in a while and I'm extremely impressed. There was a time, man. There was a time you were in. What did Cora Jade ask you on Monday? Fuck. Something about a movie? Yeah, she asked you a question.

It was something pop culture related. And what did I say? No, of course not. You're like, no, no. Oh yeah, yeah, she's like, you know this thing? And I'm like, yeah. Me and Rick looked at each other and we're just like, no, he does not.

White whale, holy grail. Hey, Ariel, with half the year gone, I was going to ask what are your favorite moments from Uncrowned this year? Trying to come up with my examples, I realized it's an impossible task. So, so many, it's really crazy. So I'll just congratulate you and the team

for a phenomenal job. It must be hard at times, but Uncrowned has been amazing so many. It's really crazy. So I'll just congratulate you and the team for a phenomenal job. It must be hard at times, but Uncrowned has been amazing so far. So thank you to all the team. Wow. I do really appreciate that. It is very, very fun and rewarding and tiring, but I think we're all enjoying it and all very excited about future plans and future ideas that are percolating. So thank you for that.

I will say from this year, my most memorable moments, this is this is White Whale saying this, was the Jim Lampley interview. An all-time moment was Helwani Vision, the only time I ever spent money to watch him in May. Wow, thank you. Helwani Vision is a tough one to execute because there just aren't that many non-UFC pay-per-views that we could do this with, but would love to do more, whether it's for any form of combat sport, really. Question about your involvement with International Fight Week. When is DC, excuse me, Dana announcing the uncrowned UFC collab? Yeah, I don't know that's happening, but it's going to be a good time.

Mitch Wheeler, but thank you so much. And Matt Mo says GC beating Ade on the Avron is his favorite moment. Mitch Wheeler, now that UFC Noche is a fight night, where do you think the September pay-per-view will be held? Honestly don't know, but I think it might be the following week, the 20th. After JDM's win, there's been a bit of talk about bringing a

paper view to Australia. No, I don't think, I think, maybe, but I don't think Islam's fighting him in Australia, to be honest. So, I wouldn't hold my breath on that. Jordan from Perth, speaking of Australia, Salam alaikum, Ariel and the team. A few true or false questions. True or false, if Shamiah beats DDP, he'll be a top three middleweight of all time. What? No. What are you crazy? He has like two fights at middleweight. True or false, if Charles beats Toporia, he rematches Armin and Islam stays at 170 win or lose. If Charles beat Toporia, he rematches Armin. I kind of feel like Islam is just going to stay at 170 to be honest.

I don't think so. I'll say true. I mean, there's a lot there, but Armin has to fight. If you're asking me, is Armin just going to fight Charles, I think they're going to make Armin fight someone before he gets a chance to fight for the belt. And Patty's coming quick. If you're asking me is Armand just going to fight Charles, I think they're going to make Armand fight someone before he gets a chance to fight for the belt. And Patty's coming quick. And I think Patty will beat Justin Gaethje to be honest. True or false, if Jack Della beats Islam,

he will beat the other top five contenders at welterweight. If Jack Della beats Islam, he'll be, um, I mean sure, why not? Brady's a tough matchup. Yeah. Brady's Ian McGarry. Oh, sorry. Hey, McGarry. I was just listening to rampage.

Um, cause I'm Ian McGarry. I don't know if he's doing that as a joke. What was the name of the Bellator guy? McGarry? Wasn't Liam, Liam McGeary, McGeary. Yeah. McGeary. Well, Brady, Shavkat, Leon, Camaro.

That's the top five. That's a tough top five, especially a lot of big wrestlers there. But it's possible, why not? If Pantoja beats KKF, he'll move up to face Marab. No, I say he stays at 125. If Suga beats Marab, he moves up to featherweight. No, why would he do that? If Suga beats Marab, he moves up to featherweight.

No. Why would he do that? Oh, Adesanya never fights for gold again. No. I'll say, I mean, he's probably just too away from fighting for gold again. I don't know if he wants to, but it doesn't sound like he wants to, to be honest. Shout out to the BITB and PT.

James, I don't want to be a hater, but I'm having trouble enjoying what's going on with John Cena. He really wanted to end his career like this. Does anyone really want to see him tag with Logan Paul for one of his final remaining matches? Yeah, I don't think it's a harsh thing to say this has fallen flat. Honestly, I think it kind of fell flat from the jump. And there's just been so many holes in it. What happened to Travis Scott? What happened to The Rock? Why didn't The Rock show up? Why did he team with Travis Scott? What was that all about? We never even had an explanation to all of this. The truth

thing was weird too. Okay, now Truth fighting for the belt and it's a nice feel good story and then they release him. So yeah, I don't think you're being a hater. This is from jalapeno man, question for Frank, just wondering if we could get a money mojcano let me tell you something sound bite to play over Ariel when he inevitably says the same thing going on his New York Knicks rants. Yeah man, we'll put that in the... What is it? What is it? Let me tell you something? Let me tell you something? Let me tell you something.

I've realized Ariel will exclusively say this when discussing his beloved Knickerbockers and can't help but think of Moikano's iconic Let Me Tell You Something. You do do that. I say Let Me Tell You Something? Yeah. Let me tell you something. Oh! Okay. Or my other one is, uh, can I ask a question? Can I ask you something? Yeah. Just gotta say something though.

Is that what he says? Yeah. Taco enthusiast. Ariel, do you have any new insight regarding the UFC TV rights deal? Do you think the relatively lackluster start to the year has anything to do with the ongoing negotiations? No. There was a report yesterday ESPN in the mix, Amazon in the mix, Netflix in the mix, Netflix in the mix,

and then the wild card is WBD, which would be TNT, TBS, HBO Max. Those are all the people that we thought would be in the mix. I still think they go back to ESPN. To what degree? Like, is it the full enchilada? The full pie? Maybe not, but I don't think they're going full pie to Netflix. I don't think ESPN is giving this up and I still think that they stay on pay-per-view. Ariel Hawani, my question for you and the boys is, this is from,

So, Kwoni, my question for you and the boys is, this is from, I don't know how to pronounce this, Q-A-A-Z-L-A. Kwasla, which trilogy will be bigger, which trilogy will A, be the bigger fight, B, deliver? Katie versus Amanda, Max versus Poirier, or Bival versus Betterbiev? Katie versus Amanda will be seen by more people. Also at MSG. They've always been good fights. Yeah. Also based off their first two fights, there's just no way that it, that it isn't. I think Katie versus Amanda will be bigger, but I think both will deliver. I don't have.

Katie versus Amanda has the two best by far out of, out of all these options that are already in the bank. So as long as the third one's even relatively decent, it's incredible. The second Max and Dustin is one of my favorite fights ever. The first was not as like crazy. Like, you know, Dustin... I feel like Max and Dustin has the highest ceiling. Katie and Amanda is like the most likely to deliver for the third one.

Yeah, they're special. And I don't sense the same type of buzz anticipation for a better B of Bival. We saw it twice, there were two great fights, great fights, and usually you'd want a third, but I'd like some separation. I'd like some separation and I really wanted to see Bival versus Benavidez. So I don't put that in the same category. Hutt, Ariel, crazy the Knicks dropped Tibbs. They hadn't been to the playoffs

for seven straight years before he was there. Made playoffs four to five years with him. In your opinion, what did the Knicks need to do to get over the hump? Side note, the last four teams to lose the Eastern Conference final went on to make the finals the following year. Think they pulled the plug too early?

Go Pacers, thank you, love the show. Thank you, Hut, and I know you're a Pacers fan. Congratulations, good luck. What is it, tomorrow? Don't really, you know, I can't, I like the Thunder players better. Obviously I don't have animosity towards them. I do, I will forever feel bad for the Sonics fans.

And I know what it's like to watch your former team win a championship because I saw the Nationals for the Sonics fans. And I know what it's like to watch your former team win a championship because I saw the Nationals win and it felt awful. And so I'm just looking forward to this being over. My favorite thing about these finals, I think they're gonna be great finals by the way. And I think both teams are very, very good.

And I think they're relatively evenly matched and they've got stars and they've got young, athletic, entertaining players. My favorite thing about it is there are four incredible Canadians playing on both teams, two on the Pacers, two on the Thunder, and they are like very important pieces. Dort, SGA, incredible, I mean, the freaking MVP,

and then Mathurin and Andrew Nemhart. And two Montrealers, which is incredible. Two Montrealers playing in the NBA Finals on either team. So that's my favorite story about all of this, but obviously I'd rather see the Knicks. Tibbs thing I'm sad about. I'm sad about Tibbs. I was never a Tibbs hater.

I was always a Tibbs supporter, apologist. I think he got us back on track. I think he was an incredible coach, coach of the year, all that gets us to the conference finals. It seems increasingly after reading and watching a ton and listening to a ton, they wanted him out. If he would have lost to the Pistons, he would have been out. If he would have lost to the Celtics, he would have been out. He didn't win the finals, so he's out. I don't think it's necessarily because they lost to the Pacers. And so they wanted to make a change. I feel comfortable fully grading this move, if you will, once we know who the replacement

is. I don't think you can fully have a take on this until you know who's the guy coming in. Yesterday I said Mike Malone, but actually after thinking about it, I don't think it's going to be Mike Malone. I think he's, if you got rid of Tibbs, Malone is too similar to Tibbs. It sounds like Johnny Bryant is the, the one that a lot of people want former Knicks assistant, Cavs assistant, finalist for the sons.

Other names I've seen thrown out, Jay Wright. I don't think he's going to do it. Former Nova coach, Jason Kidd, weird one, Udoca, why would he leave Houston? He's got a great thing going on there. I'm just worried about this. A year ago, the Knicks had lost in the second round, but ton of injuries. All right, we're going to be back. We're going to be better.

Since then, they kind of blew it up. Five picks for bridgesges, cat trade. Get rid of Randall and Devo. Now, in addition to those changes, you've also gotten rid of your coach. That's a lot of transition for a team that was just desperate for some continuity, for smooth sailing.

No more choppy waters, no more LOL Knicks, and a new coach comes in, who knows? I remember there was once a time where the, you know, for smooth sailing. No more choppy waters, no more LOL Knicks, and a new coach comes in, who knows? I remember there was once a time where the Knicks had a great coach named Pat Riley, brought them to the finals, brought them to the playoffs every year.

He leaves, they go after the big name, Don Nelson, and he lasts half a season, they fire him, and they put Jeff Van Gundy, and obviously he turns out to be a legend. By the way, I love Van Gundy, but I don't know if that, you know, I don't think he has a great relationship with Dolan. Point is, you got something good, it's scary to tinker with it. And I feel bad for Tibbs because he's a lifer, because he's married to the game truly,

he doesn't have kids, he doesn't have a wife, he doesn't have any family, he's got nothing. All he cares about is winning basketball games and so there's a part of me even though he's getting 30 million to walk away, I do kind of feel for the guy because I sort of envision him being crushed right now. But there were also some, there were also some, you know, signs that they had lost, I don't know, some sort of faith or connection and And, um, I don't know. I support the team till I die, but interesting times, no doubt.

Samuel, why has the hype for Jelton Almeida completely disappeared? I don't know. Has it? Curtis Blades fight. Yeah, the blades fight. It's pretty easy. He's kind of doing a good job of keeping

himself out there, but like. Also the, the heavyweight division is on Paul. I was literally going to say that. Sorry. And no, no, no, that's the point. That's the, that's exactly the point. That's what I was trying to say to Derek yesterday. It's like, there's no, there's no movement.

There's no nothing. There's no light at the end of the rainbow for these guys. There's no big, I kind of feel like it's one of those things. You know, like when NBA free agency starts and there's like that one big move and they say like nothing can happen until this move happens. Like this year it's going to be like nothing will happen until we know what's going on with

Giannis. Once all the teams know what's going on with Giannis, then they'll make their appropriate moves. I think the UFC isn't making anything of note, you know, Derek versus Tshara is a fight, but that's not like a contender fight, if you know, Derek versus Tshara is a fight, but that's not like a contender fight, if you will. Gan, where the hell is he?

Where's Almeida? Until they know what's going on with this, because this is going to impact. If there's no John Jones, then Gan probably moves up and then Almeida probably moves up. If there is John Jones, then those guys are here. So. Honestly, looking at the rankings, Aspinol,

Gan, Volkov, Pavlovich, none of them are here. So. Honestly looking at the rankings Aspinall, Gahn, Volkov, Pavlovich, none of them are booked. I think Blades is on the Abu Dhabi card. Yeah. Jelton Almeyda not booked. It's just like the top end of the division no one has a foot. I think there's some of that but I honestly believe it's more that his ceiling has just been lowered. Like when you look at that division, it's Tom Aspinall's division and if you lose to Curtis Blades in that fashion, people go, you ain't beaten Tom Aspinall, so you ain't really relevant. And I don't think there's anybody outside of Tom that anybody cares to see fight in that division other than John. It's Tom and John's division. And like everybody else, unfortunately, is just in a bin

that's not like the toys that get left to the side. And those are the two action figures that everybody wants to play with but I just think his ceiling's been lowered after that performance now can he prove otherwise in the next time he steps out probably yeah I think if he has strings together a few good performances in a row yeah but I think the ceiling's just been lowered and that's okay he can still vault to the top of that division because it's so it's so shallow. This is a good one here from, I believe it's our good friend Henry Nichols.

Oh my lord. Who's been doing great work for us. Legend of the game. Yes. Shout out to Henry. What's up crew? As a freshman, you helped me massively with dorm essentials a few years ago.

This year, I will be a junior living in a house near campus with a group of four. It's a huge upgrade from the hall, hall style bathrooms and sharing small room with two people. Those hall style bathrooms are something. Um, yeah, that is a big upgrade. I mean, the communal bathrooms is the worst was my

second year, I was all the way at the other end of the floor. So like having to walk there with your little like shower caddy thing and your flip flops felt like such a loser every time. Anyway, what is one God, I would do, I would do everything to not go back to that time. You know, some people say like I'd give anything

to go, I would do everything to not go back there. Um, what is one thing from each crew member that is a must have in a new place where I will have my own space and a real kitchen on a reasonable college student budget, of course. Gotta have a turntable. Come on, stop it. Oh, that's a good shout.

P.T. agreed. He immediately just went back to doing something else for work. He's like, yeah, you gotta have a turntable. Hey, we set up everything. Oh, that? And also- Frank, like, you you like to dive in with that and then immediately went back to work. The setup isn't for me the setup is for you why are you telling me? You asked for a reminder.

No no no I was saying to you. Oh he was saying something to you. Yes he was saying it to me. You literally said remind me. You gotta get a turntable. We've got to do the Avron thing I said said at 1.45, go do what you have to do, and then tell me Connor's ready to go, and then we'll do it. Here I am, staring at Connor, clearly not ready to go, and you're giving me the reminder. What am I supposed to do? Hey, you gotta have a turntable, man. Gotta have a turntable. I'm literally looking at the guy.

Clearly he's not setting up for it. Let's break the fourth wall even more. Yesterday you were recording something and you're recording and everything and then Frank's like, hey, just give me one minute, this is gonna be hilarious. And you paused for a second and you're like, It was more than a pause.

Yeah, man, let's go ahead and take it from the top. And you're like, what? Oh, yeah, she set it up. I'm not done yet. And we were dying back here because he's like, just wait for this one, guys. This one's gonna be hilarious. Oh, wow, no.

And you're just like, what? I can confirm, not hilarious. It was not funny. It was not funny at all. Oh, it was great. Listen. It was great. You hit some, you miss some.

I'm not joking aside. Frank's on a tough streak right here. Okay, anyway, I say a toaster oven. Toaster oven's a good touch. Yeah, that's air fryer for sure. In today's day and age. I'm a little worried about. Toaster oven's a good clutch. Air fryer for sure. In today's day and age. I'm a little worried about the air fryer now. Some of them are blowing up and shit.

Brought to you by the man who doesn't have a microwave. That's true, that's true. I do have an air fryer by the way. And you do a lot of great things. Oh, really? Unbelievable. I'm looking out for our friend Henry here, okay? I don't want any problems.

A toaster's clutch. Comfortable mattress, that's it. That's all you need. If you sleep well, you live well. Couch. That's it. What about some Bam Bam Buds? Whoa. I mean, you can do worse than that.

That's bringing up the vibes, bro. Get a little pipe, a lot more discreet. Anyway, shout out and go heels. Good luck to you, Henry. And we appreciate all your great work. And we look forward to meeting you. P.S. he says, Piz says pizza UNC football is playing in Dublin next year If you want to see some dominant Belichick football in action, did you know this shit? Yeah Yeah, yeah, well been

Belichick that's right actual impacts on the team over the last few days. Thank you, Rick. Go check it out Yeah, I'll be there and are the Steelers playing someone Steelers are playing the Vikings. Yeah, I'll be there. And aren't the Steelers playing someone? Steelers are playing the Vikings. My mate's trying to get them tickets. Can I tell you, do you remember the last time I went to the football thing and in Ireland, the fucking bank machines broke and they had to give out free points. I've never seen 80,000 people more drunk in my life. It was absolutely wild. I can't even remember getting home that night. Insane. Free beer in Ireland? Fuck, never heard the look of it.

Great experience. Yeah, no, I saw that. Just let me know when he's ready. We'll have Frank do it, don't we? Doxy clean. Hey Ariel and the boys in the back. Thank you for all the great content you provide. It makes work go by faster.

Thank you. Special shout out to Frank. Feel bad for the Stars, but the Florida Panthers will avenge your loss, really wanted a stars Panthers cup final. Boring. Not because of the stars by the way but because of the Panthers. I think the Oilers are winning by the way. Oilers in six, McDavid finally gets over the hump. If you could attend one sports final in history what would you choose? Golly, well there's two that come to mind, game seven NBA finals, Knicks at home against whomever, or the Super Bowl with the Bills there. I've never been to a Super Bowl before.

World Cup final. He's saying upcoming, not historic? Like he's saying- In history. Yeah. Pick one retro. Oh, then it's the easiest of all time. Game may eight nineteen seventy game seven of the nineteen seventy me finals uh... walled fraser thirty six points nineteen assists uh... if you get like i think i think it's really like

so great like nine steals no nine rebounds five steals like one of the craziest lines ever the will street game that's the one we've i have a few peter i want you to go but i have a feeling that none of us will pick. Uh, combat sports event. No. Hmm. Even though we've been to so many, I mean, Ali Fraser one at MSG.

You know, in 99, the new comp against bar Munich, yeah. The miracle. Yeah. If you could be at one fight, I think I'll be Frazier. Hagler-Herns. Tyson Holyfield. I mean Rumble in the Jungle. Rumble in the Jungle, yeah. Like something very moist and humid though. Yeah. Humid, but you're there for history. You're there for like legendary history. Ah, Frank Sinatra couldn't even get a ticket. How am I gonna get a ticket? No, they're giving it to us.

We are giving it to us. Ah, nah. Well, you're too humble. You're too modest, Pete. Or imagine one of those like old like Ingmar Johansson against Floyd Patterson at Yankee Stadium fights. Yo dude, like Jack Johnson fight. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Some crazy thing like that. That's fighting each other for nine hours. Literally the entire globe is watching on closed circuit television. I mean, that would be pretty epic. Oh, this is a fun one from Anthony. Hey guys, just a fun one for you and the guys. Um, what would you rate from worst to best between these

options? Ariel's takes on rap music. I mean. That's a shot. That is a shot. No, obviously best. New York ricks fight booking, GC's betting record, Piz PCs impartiality to anybody Irish. Also one of the UK fans going to get AH and the crew live for a meeting. Yeah, man.

It's going to happen. There's so many plans. We had, we had a very exciting meeting earlier today, can't tell you too much about it, but we have so many plans. There's almost like too many plans, but I'm very excited. Um, and I'm, I'm not trying to do that thing where it's like, oh, plans, but I'm very excited. Um,

and I'm, I'm not trying to do that thing where it's like, Oh, we've got a lot of things. No, no, no. There's a lot of, a lot of exciting things. Um, I would say the, my impartiality to urge for it is like, I think you're very fair. Yeah. I mean, come on. Like, I would say that's best meaning that's like the most 10 year old beef here. One of the big superstars in the sport. Fuck's sake. I would say I think GC's betting record is pretty damn good, no?

I mean. Yeah, it is. I would say all those things are. I'm the best with the book. Yeah, yeah. I'm the best with the book. Then I'll go with my rap music and then your bookings. Cause not everyone agrees with my,

I mean like not everyone agrees that, you know, Lil Yachty is the goat, but it's like. You know ball, yeah. Yeah. Okay. You know? I saw a video where Jonah Hill ranked his, the greatest rappers of all time, and he put Kendrick in there, and everyone's like, this guy knows Ball. I'm like, get the fuck out of here.

Kendrick is the best rapper of all time. Are you kidding me? He was number one. He put him number one. Stop. No, he had like a top five, but like no particular order. He's not in the top 20. What are we talking about?

He said Kendrick and Frank Ocean are the two most influential guys. Like what? Stop with this. Talking bollocks Jonah, talking about which I asked me. Biggie, Tupac, Nas, like we don't have, come on, let's not get crazy. Anyway, as I told you guys earlier, Avron of course,

we love our good friends at Avron and look, we're kind people. You know, like we have big hearts. We're thoughtful. We're empathetic. We don't like bullying. OK? And so I want to apologize to the audience because I feel like over the last few months,

you have seen us bully people, and in particular, one person. And that's not who we are. That's not what we're about. And so I want to apologize to the audience, and in particular to Sean Brady, because I feel like we have bullied him into a real uncomfortable situation. It's very clear he wants nothing to do with the challenge against GC. He has probably seen the head-to-heads.

He has probably seen what has transpired when people have tried to step to him and just doesn't want, he's got a great thing going. He just had a kid. He's about to fight for the belt. He's got a great thing going. Why risk had a kid, he's about to fight for the belt, he's got a great thing going, why risk it? The risk is not worth, the reward is probably what he's thinking.

So we don't want to bully him anymore. And so with that in mind, we're rescinding the offer. We're taking it off the table, we don't want it to hang, we don't want it to be like a thing, we don't want it to be like some sort of stress, drama, nuisance, distraction, nothing like that. So we're rescinding the offer, and we're just going to keep going.

We're going to promote Averon. We're going to promote doing the bike rides. In fact, there's a new game that just came out that GC was kind enough to volunteer to do. So yeah, let's show it to the people without further ado. There is a, oh, there, oh, let's show to the people without further ado. There is... Oh, there... Oh, who's that? I don't know what this path of kindness is. Oh, we don't hear you. We don't hear you. We have him on the set. No, okay. That's right. Wait, we don't hear you. Oh, you don't hear me?

No, we don't hear you. Now we hear you. You replied to him, but you couldn't hear him. Now you got me. Okay. All right. No worries, Frank. I mean, we'll make sure we have the turntable. You say you want to take the the high road the kindness now I'm here with Sean Brady right now. You guys told me I needed to be ready for an opponent. Yeah I I knew I didn't need to be ready for an opponent. I got the corduroys on Didn't even wear any sort of athletic wear. I'm out for a leisurely stroll here. I knew he was never gonna show up I mean yet the the offers rescind. We're moving on with our lives, but. Yeah, I think it's the right thing.

The ducking allegations will never escape Sean Brady. No. This will always be glued to his legacy. Sean the Duck Brady, by the way, I do appreciate the look of you coming to us like some sort of like wartime correspondent in Afghanistan with the words not being synced with your mouth. I don't know what that's all about, but it's a good look.

Again, blame Frank for that one. This is crazy. What is happening here? the words not being synced with your mouth. I don't know what that's all about, but it's a good look. What's going on? Again, blame Frank for that. This is crazy. What is happening here? You guys actually mentioned a potential backup. You guys were like, oh, we actually might have another opponent for you on Wednesday,

so just be ready for that one as well. Conveniently, they also had to pull out. So I mean, we're never gonna get anybody on this bike. I've decided to just move on with my life. I might start attacking, you know, maybe treadmills, maybe the rowing machine. Averon's got a great rowing machine. Maybe I'll switch it up that way.

All right, well, do you wanna give us like a 60 set or you're not even doing it? You're just, you're just. No, I'm doing it, I'm pedaling right now. Oh, you are, okay. I'm three fourths of a mile in. I mean, this is what you can do. You can just hop on, quick start,

get a couple miles in, burn a few calories and go about your day, which is what I have to do now because Sean Brady has officially ducked. It's no more allegations. He has been convicted of ducking. Wow. What do you have to say about this, Eric? We offered him a car service.

It was the limousine that was going to pick you up, not good enough. He just had the baby. We said, we'll pay for daycare. We'll pay for your wife to come too. Not good enough. Just right up the road, we'll pay for your hotel arrangement. We'll pay the baby. We said, we'll pay for daycare. We'll pay for your wife to come too. Not good enough. Just right up the road. We'll pay for your hotel arrangement. We'll pay for everything. Just not good enough for Sean the Duck Brady.

It's unfortunate. It is. It is. I wanted the matchup. I wanted to fight. I wanted to do it to entertain the fans. Some guys said me versus Aday was his favorite moment so far this year. It was a great matchup.

Great matchup. Second right of the day, no big deal. Legs were dead after it. Was willing to go further if I needed to. Didn't have to buried them right there. I wanted to do it for the fans. Yeah. Can you see it's just, the problem is like it's such an obnoxious showing of power every time you're on the bike.

It's such a build for it. You know what I mean? It's obviously you're calling, you know, you want the bike is like Jordan at the rim, you know what I mean? You, you, you got to, You got to tone it down maybe to stop intimidating these guys out of it. Like he's obviously terrified of you. I don't want to get the fans too excited,

but a month from now, a little competition's going down in France. I may or may not have gotten a call. Oh wow, wow, wow. How interested are you? Averon is the sponsorship. But yeah, I was officially offered to compete in the Tour de France TBD if I can get wow the PTO that's pending

through my boss right now but yeah it's looking good I got an EP Oh go I actually knows you mentioned it oh easy easy we don't do that with the blood yeah yeah we're cool with that we're cool if you want to like juice a little bit. Guys, what is this? A quick mile in. I mean, it was just a clean athlete right here. Who isn't doing a bit of blood to open these days?

You know what I mean? Also, did I hear some slander on my betting record? It was equated to like, one of the worst things? Nah, we took that down. I mean, it's documented. Yeah, we shut that down. I mean, it's factual. We said, no, we said that.

We said that. They were trying to do a thing and it just didn't. We were saying that, no, it's actually good. Was that question from Sean Brady? Probably. He's a plant. Frank says the sink has always been off with this camera. I don't know about that.

Is that true? No, just make it shut up. Wow, Frank's in his feelings. Frank's in his feelings. Well, anyway, thank you to Sean for stopping by. Appreciate you making the trek out here and putting it all out there online. Appreciate you being a man of your word.

Maybe he's going to text me here. No, no. He can't text you. He's on the bike right now. Once he's done, he might text you. All right. Thank you. Thank you, Sean.

Thank you, GC. There he is. Quack, quack. God bless. Let me squeeze in a couple more here. Brandon from Down Under. Just curious about your thoughts on the Derrick Lewis interview yesterday. I'll be honest, I did not enjoy that interview.

I didn't think it was particularly fun or funny. I understand his brand of humor. I enjoy usually his brand of humor. It had been three and a half years and like my energy was like, hey man, long time to speak. Like welcome back to the show. It's great to see you. How's it going?

What have you been up to? And I don't know. I don't think Derek dislikes me. I think he was trying to be funny. I just don't think that that type of humor is funny today. In other words, I'm not in the mood for that right now. I'm not in the mood for that right now with everything going on in the world. I'm not in the mood for that right now with everything going on in North America and in Europe. That stuff isn't funny to me right now.

There was a time where I'm happy to lean into the no stuff, I'm happy to lean into like, oh, mensch, this, that, but it's not funny right now. And especially when you're very, very misinformed I'm happy to lean into the no stuff, I'm happy to lean into like, oh, mench, this, that, but like, it's not funny right now. And especially when you're very, very misinformed and you're talking about like internet conspiracy bullshit. I mean, the amount of misinformation that comes out of the MMA community in particular about this one topic that no one knows or understands

or even wants to understand anything about, and I'm not gonna spend, we've got Keishon Davis, so it's probably a horrible time to get into all of this now, but I'm not going to spend time educating you all, but like, it's frustrating, it's disheartening, and yeah, it's a bummer sometimes. And so Derek coming on trying to be funny about some of these things, I don't even think he cares about it. I don't think he even has the time to think about it. Yeah, it's a bummer sometimes. And so Derek coming on trying to be funny about some of these things.

I don't even think he cares about it. I don't think he even has done a second of research. But it's low-hanging fruit. It's fun. It's funny. Okay, let me talk about the tunnels. Let me talk about Jews and money and all this stuff. Not in the mood. Just not right now, not when people are being burnt alive in Boulder, Colorado, um, and all the shit

going on. And by the way, all the shit going on in, in, in Gaza as well. Like, it's just not the time for that, in my opinion. Um, it's just not, it's not funny. Uh, I w I wish more people who did speak or at least felt comfortable speaking about this topic did, you know, just like It's just not funny. I wish more people who did speak, or at least felt comfortable speaking about this topic,

did just like an ounce of research, took the time to really understand what's going on and the history, but I'm maybe asking of a lot from fighters. Luke, hey guys, really sad to hear about the passing of Jordan Breen. Thinking back to listening to the SRN brings me so much nostalgia. I don't have much to say but I would love if you could get on Jeff, Greg, TJ, or any of the guys just to reminisce a little bit. Cheers from Canada, Luke.

That was hard to see, hard to read and there's been a lot of great tributes, a lot of great things written and said about him. And I hope that if you're a new fan, you have started to realize just like how special Jordan was and yeah, just what a unique voice he was as far as MMA media is concerned. He really was one of a kind. And yeah, just what a unique voice he was as far as MMA media is concerned. He really was one of a kind. And yeah, heartbreaking to hear that.

Hard to process. So young, so talented. And yeah, his last tweet I think was like three years ago and just kind of disappeared really really sad so yeah hopefully his legacy lives on and hopefully he's remembered and people will continue to appreciate the impact that he had on the sport. Adam, Ariel, thankag Shavuot Sameach, thank you. Do you do anything to celebrate? Not really, my kids had off from school. We're not particularly religious when it comes to this particular holiday, which celebrates Moses getting the Torah from God, the tablets. I was randomly wondering this the other day,

what Jewish customs do you and your family observe? Well, I put my tefillin on every day. So that's one. We used to keep kosher, or I used to keep kosher, but Nani Moore, my brother, does. He's quite observant. My son's having his bar mitzvah next week, which is a pretty big freaking deal, and I I can't believe we've reached that point. I can't believe I'm actually a father of a Bar Mitzvah boy. I feel like my Bar Mitzvah was two years ago. So that's a wild thing. And we do observe, obviously, Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur,

Passover, the big dogs. He does say, terrible what happened in Washington and Boulder. Shameful, oh yeah, Washington, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like people are getting shot, killed. It's in the United States. And this dude wants to joke about fucking tunnels. Shameful this stuff is still going on.

On a brighter note, I went to the UJA walk with Israel and Toronto the other week where 56,000 Jews and allies came together to show our support. It was truly a sight to see. As always, I love what you do. You're a mention of role model. with Israel and Toronto the other week where 56,000 Jews and allies came together to show our support. It was truly a sight to see. As always, I love what you do. You're a mention of role model, best Adam. PS, I did some Jewish geography with my girlfriend's family in Montreal

and her cousins know your wife. You gotta love Jewish geography. Much love, my friend. Appreciate you and thank you very much for the kind words. All right, let's put a pin in on the nose right now and let us go to our first guest of the day. We love talking to this young man and he returns to action in just a few days time back home in Virginia in Norfolk to be exact. Not to be confused with Norfolk, he's the future

of American boxing and perhaps even the present as well. He's the one and only the businessman, Keyshawn Davis. kind enough to join us. There he is. What's up Keyshawn, how are you my man? What's up, I'm great man, nice doing another interview with you. Yes, it's good to talk to you. By the way, how do you say it?

How do like the actual locals say it? Norfolk. Norfolk. Norfolk. Oh, like literally like fuck? Yeah. Norfolk. Yeah, Norfolk.

Okay, all right. Your homecoming a couple fights ago, where you sold it out and it was a big deal, like fuck? Yeah. Nor fuck? Yeah, nor fuck. Okay. All right. You're homecoming a couple fights ago where you sold it out and it was a big deal. That was an incredible scene. How does this, now that you're a little further along, a little more established, champ, all that stuff, how does this compare or differ from that fight a couple of months ago? Right. I feel like this fight night is definitely going to be around too, like on

steroids though. But honestly, you can never compare to the first one. You understand what I'm saying? Like the first one was just so magnificent. And the city is just so amped up for this second one. But you can never, you can never compare to the very first one, man. And the first one was just everything just went as God's plan, which was perfect. And I just expect the same thing coming around this time.

Expecting a sellout once again? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Right now the venue is sold over like 90%. So we got like 10% left on the venue. So it's definitely sold out. Incredible. And man, I saw that scene a couple of days ago

where you met up with Michael Vick and AI is there as well. Like these are legends, man. These are legends of your state, of your hometown. What is it like to get this kind of love here? Here you are saying hello to his team, Norfolk State. Yeah. And then AI pulls up. Like, what is that like for you?

Bro, that moment right there was amazing man Shouts out to Top Rank for letting us for introducing us to that spring football event but that moment right there was super amazing man, they invited basically like um Another football player another star football player and then you know DB3 was involved and you had like the state the state delegates and you had the city the people that was right within the city, the people that was within the city. So it was like us just walking on that field and making that entrance to that field, walking into Michael Vick's football team.

The entire football team is on their knee just waiting for us as we walk up. And I'm just looking around like, dang, DB3 is a part of something real legendary outside of our sport of boxing, you know, they accept us in every aspect in our city. So I couldn't be more grateful. I love that. And any words of advice shared? Like I mean, those guys, they say anything to you about just being a role model, about

competing on the big stage, about anything they share that stuck with you? Oh, for sure. One thing they did share with me was their first was the first home game and it's going to be the last week in August. Okay. Sure. And I'm making it for sure. And a lot of those guys that I was on the team was just saying how much they follow

me, how much they look up to me, how much they love my energy and how they can tell that I come from Norfolk. You know what I'm saying? I always say that's just who I am. Who I am today, my character, how I talk and everything, it comes from Norfolk. So seeing or hearing them guys that still live out here saying like, bro, you sound exactly like I'm from Norfolk.

And I haven't lived here some years now. It's like, yeah, all right, for sure. It just give me like extra motivation. Like, yeah, just keep doing what I'm doing. Keep being myself, for sure. People don't see me as a celebrity out here. They just see me as, yo, this yeah, just keep doing what I'm doing, keep being myself for sure. People don't see me as a celebrity out here, they just see me as, you know, this is Keyshawn Davis from Norfolk. Now that your star is growing, you're getting more popular, people are knowing who you are,

you're rising in your pro career. How do you deal with people coming up to you and talking to you like a role model and saying that you, you know, some people don't want to be a role model. Famously back in the day Charles Barkley had a commercial with Nike saying I am NOT a role model. Do you feel comfortable? Do you want to be that guy? Do you want to be the face of all of this especially for the American fans? Honestly whatever the people see me as that's just what they see me as. I'm not gonna try to be something. I'm gonna just be myself and whatever they

see me as that's just what it is. You know what I'm saying? Whether it's a role model, whether it's a fighter, whether it's just a kid from Barrow Park, north of Virginia, whatever they see me as, I'm just going to accept it. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm just being myself at the end of the day. Okay, fair enough. Your opponent on Saturday, Edwin Delos Santos, his last fight was against Shakur Stevenson.

It wasn't the best of fights,, wasn't the most exciting of fights. It does a part of you want to, and that was a decision loss. Does a part of you want to beat him decisively stop him so you can say like anything he can do, I can do better? No, heck no. When I took this fight, it was nothing had to do with nobody. I was looking for opponents and Edward Devin Santos called me on the media and I, and I, and I the media and I accepted his call out honestly.

You know what I'm saying? I ain't got nothing to do with nobody. And when it comes to the businessman, I try to stop everybody. And that's what makes me exciting. I don't go in there and try to box with you. I'm trying to stop you honestly in the most high value fashion. You know, in the most, I always tell people around me, I'm not a fighter that like to take damage.

I don't take no damage. So if I can go in there and make you miss and make you pay and stop you, it's perfect, it's perfecto. What does this win get you? Where does it put you? In the sweepstakes for big fights, you know, the big money fights, where does this put you? Oh, every step, every fight,

I feel like it gets me step-by- step closer from my first pay-per-view fight, from my first mega fight when the whole entire world is watching. So we just going to keep taking these steps. People is telling me, after I stop De La Santos, this going to put me right here. You're really going to be that guy. But I don't really let that get to my head. I just keep fighting, keep knocking guys out and whatever God got for me, then that's what it's going to be that guy, but I don't really let that get to my head. I just keep fighting, keep knocking guys out and whatever God got for me, then that's what it's going to be. When we spoke in our studio, we obviously talked a lot about Tank Davis and since then he had that

fight against Lamont Roach and it sounds like they're going to fight again. Can I ask what was your take on that controversy with the knee and the towel and the eye and all that stuff, how that was handled and how it played out. I mean, Jabarty, he's running the show, you know, it's his show. So it's hard for, it's hard for, you know, I mean, at the end of the day, like he's a cash cow when it comes to 135 division. So like, that's just what we see. He's running the show.

It's going to be, it's going to take somebody to really beat him up or somebody to knock him out for you to get that win, obviously, you know, because he's a cash cow. That's just how I go in boxing, which is not right. But, uh, shout out to Lamont Roach, man. He, he proved a lot of naysayers wrong. He proved all the critics wrong. And, uh, honestly, shoot, it's a real 50-50 fight going into the rematch as well. So, I just hope he gets the fair decision, even if it's a close decision.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Did, did you expect it to go that way or did he surprise the fair decision, even if it's a close decision. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Did you expect it to go that way or did he surprise you as well Lamont? Well, I want to say I hope he get the decision like as if I want Tate to lose. You know what I'm saying? Because that's not the case. I'm just saying if he wins the fight and it's a close decision, give him the decision. But now I'm going to be real leading up to that fight.

I was saying Tate was going to knock Lamont out. He was coming up from 130 to 135 and Lamar never fought a level of competition like that before. So I was with Tank, you know what I'm saying? I wasn't like, yo, I'm all the way with Tank. He's going to do it, but it was just like, yo, I feel like Tank is going to knock him out, or he going to get the win. But as I seen the fight happening,

I'm a real fighter, I know boxing in the midst of things. As I'm watching the fight, I'm like, oh nah, it's gonna be a tough fight. It's gonna be tough. You know what I'm saying? My decision instantly changed once I seen them in the ring and fighting. I'm like, oh nah, it's gonna be tough. And it might be a draw, or it might go to Lamont. That's what I was saying.

What do you think happens in the rematch? I don't know. I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't know. I don't know. I want to say, I want to say Lamont probably pull it out and get it. But you know, you can never doubt Take. Take is a very, very skillful fighter at the end of the day. People always talk about his power, but I always do take good box a little bit as well. Lamont showed me something different this time around. I'm not going to lie. I didn't know he could box that well. I feel like if he bring that or step it up a level, then maybe he could win. But I'm going to just stay out of it. I'm a boxer or whatever, but I don't know everything, obviously. I just think it's a 50-50 fight

and the best man wins. Do you think there's a chance you win this fight tank wins and he could be next? No, I will laugh like tank is just thinking on a different stratosphere right now I feel like he's definitely chasing that that that Jake Paul fight I feel like take one just do things differently at this point. I don't think he really want to fight like Us fighters, you know saying because at the end of the day, people always say in boxing, don't punch down, which means don't fight people that's not really of your caliber. So you can make those paintings, you know what I'm saying?

So I don't really think he's paying attention to us at this point. I just think he need to get his rematch, you know, he try and get his rematch settled, you know, get his respect back in the sport and then, you know, go fight Jake Pauls and maybe do like an exhibition with a WWE fighter or whatever. Like, I don't know, but I just think he tried to do things differently so he can get them real big paydays. How would you feel about that if in the prime of his career, he fights someone like Jake? At the end of the day, man, we've been doing this for so long.

We in a position where we can, we need to do what we want to do. Like we've been doing this for a long time, taking punches for a long time, and it's not easy to go in there in front of millions of people and take punches. So he earned the right to do what he wanted to do. Outside of that, him and Jake Paul is going to bring so much ice on the sport of boxing. I think it's good for boxing, I think is good for boxing. I understand what I'm saying. I said this in one interview.

I'm going to say it again. Tank did a great job carrying a torch at the Floyd Mayweather. He kept those casual eyes on the sport of boxing, especially for our culture, for fighters like me that can gravitate to that and take his torch. You understand what I'm saying? So he did a great job of carrying a torch and just keeping boxing lit for us. Incredible. Well, I hope that he fights you.

I understand why he would do it. I wouldn't begrudge anyone trying to make that money, but I think that obviously there's a huge interest and demand in seeing you fight him given the backstory, given how good you have looked as of late. So I'm still holding out hope if the stars align. There is another guy that you've been talking about, Tiafema Lopez.

Now he's been involved with Devin Haney. Haney's calling him a duck. I think you're calling him a duck as well. What's going on with Tio in your opinion? What's happening here? There's all kinds of drama. First of all, Tio needs to stop being racist, period. Amen.

That's number one. His racist antics is disgusting and he made a tweet Because turkey alashiki told him to me the tweet and only reason why I know that because he put that in the tweet You know, so it wasn't genuine is what I'm saying Somebody made him do that. So he just need to stop the races a racist antics. That's number one and Honestly, he is ducking me. I can't speak on David, but he's definitely ducking me, You know, Turkey Alashiki, I had a meeting with him and he put Tia Fimo on FaceTime and Turkey said, yo, Kishan wants to fight you right here. Why do you keep bringing up boots? Because he keeps talking about Turkey, you promised me boots, you promised me boots. And I'm on a FaceTime with him in front of Turkey saying, yo, Turkey wants to fight, let's fight, let's

make it happen. You going to get the same money fighting me, fighting boots, so just fight me. He like, no, no, no, I'm gonna fight boots, I'm gonna fight boots. So that was very shocking to me, honestly, that he was so adamant fighting boots over me for the same money, and it's gonna be basically the same type of publicity. So he's definitely dunking me.

I don't know why he's scared to fight me, but it is what it is. Wow, okay, so I didn't know about all that. When did that FaceTime meeting happen with Turkey? It was that time when I took a picture with Turkey. He made me his brand ambassador. Okay. Okay. And, and, uh, are there plans for you to fight on any of these Riyadh season or ring magazine cards? You know, Turkey love all great fighters. You know what I'm saying? And obviously I'm

one of them in that caliber, You know what I'm saying? So it's not far fetched for Turkey to reach out to me so he can put me on one of those Riyadh's Riyadh cars, you know what I'm saying? Especially for the fight like Tiafimo or Devin Handy, Isaac Cruz, like one of the real big names, Javante, you know, so it's not far fetched at all. So so do you like at this point, are you not think like do you think that the Tio fight never happens? Do you think he has no interest in ever fighting you? I mean, it takes two to tango.

Yeah. No, I'm saying in a scared man, it's hard to get put him in the ring. Like it was just one guy that for this fight that I want to fight and we was going to put it out there in Vegas. And it was a Mexican fighter and his Mexican fighter asked for eight million dollars to fight me what? So was it who was it who was it? So now I want to put him out. Why put him out put him out It was a Mexican fighter. He's a high level so people could depict from that Okay, you know I'm saying but um, he asked for eight million dollars

So people people just know what my people know like if you fight me like is Gonna be something serious and I can really diminish their career because of how bad I could do it. Do it to them. You know what I'm saying? No ditty. So people just know. So whoever is willing to get in the ring with me is a hell of a guy at this point.

People always want to talk about boogeyman this, boogeyman that. Well I mean, I feel like, but hey whatever. Shout out to Evan De Los Santos for taking this fight in my hometown, man. Shows that he got balls and grit. And a guy like that wouldn't take a fight like this and think he wouldn't win, you know what I'm saying? So he's coming to definitely to diminish

what I got going on. And that's what's gonna make it a spectacular night. Do you think Tio would rather fight Haney than you? Yes. Yes. I mean, just think of the fighting styles that we both have. You know, Devin Haney is a boxer first. And Devin Haney didn't stop nobody

when like 10 years, like literally 10 years. Like, I was like, whatever, years. He ain't stopped nobody a year. So you got a young hungry lion that's stopping guys back to back. And I'm in front of your face fighting you. I'm not, I'm a fighter first and then a boxer second. You know what I'm saying?

So it's a safer route fighting a Devin Handy than fighting a young Keyshawn Davis. By the way, to that point, last week on my boxing show, we came up with our top 10 popcorn list. Forget about pound for pound everyone has their pound for pound it's all the same and it's just like one guy here one guy there. I like that. So I came up with my popcorn list the 10 fighters regardless of gender or weight class that are must see TV that I have to watch no matter what I don't

care who they're fighting I'm sitting down the most exciting fighters basically in the sport. Right. Keeshawn Davis was on my list I just want to let you know that all right. My co-host didn't have it so Keeshawn Davis was on my list. I just want to let you know that, all right? My co-host didn't have it. Keishon Davis was on the list. And you're going to be climbing. You're going to be up there in the top three, top five, whatever in very short order. And so at this point, are you starting to sense this? Are you starting to sense that as you get more popular and as your star is rising, a

lot of the big names are not going to want, are you going to feel like it's going to be hard to get these big fights because guys just don't want to engage with you? Is that what you're sensing? No, I don't really sense that. I just feel like I got to keep building my profile, like real life, keep building my profile. I feel like after a fight like this, my profile will jump up, especially when I stop this guy.

So my profile will jump up and I will be worse more than what I am today. Today's price is not yesterday's price. You understand what I'm saying? So I just gotta keep building my profile and maybe, hey, maybe that guy that asked for $8 million, he probably could get that $8 million after I knock Delos Santos out. Speaking of which, the top-rank ESPN deal

is coming to an end. Do you plan on sticking around with top-rank post ESPN deal? Well, I have a contract with top-rank, so that's my obligations. But you know, if things make sense for everybody and they let me go do something big, you know, it makes sense for them. I'm still supporting top rank.

I still got the name behind me. So I still can, you know, promote their name and top rank banner, you know, I'm the head honcho at top rank right now, you know, so I got a little more lead weight. You understand what I'm saying? So if things make sense, then I could, I'm going to stay active. That's number one. So when things make sense, that's just what's going to happen. Whether it's on the top rank banner or it's just on something else.

You're happy with them? Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, I'm 13 though, with a world title. I'm building my name. I'm, I'm selling out arenas at 11 and 0. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't have no problem with Tyra at all. I'm like, yo, I'm going to fight this person

and they making it happen. And you know, I'm in the rooms when we were discussing my check. You know what I'm saying? So I'm hands on with everything, the businessman. You know what I'm saying? So I'm definitely happy with Tyra. I saw you a month ago in Times Square.

What did you make of that scene? The way Haney fought, the way Ryan fought, Tio to a degree as well, the performances. You walked away from that thinking what? As a pro boxer who's all action and you watch those fights, historically low output in each and every one of them. I don't really like talking down on fighters and stuff like that, you know, but for me,

I expected what I see. Oh, wow. That's why the whole time I was in there, you was there. I was lit. Yes, you were. Probably watched like 20 minutes of the three fights. Even when I was sitting down, I was probably talking to Meat Mills. I probably was talking to Zepeda. I was probably over there messing with Mike Tyson.

I probably watched like 20 minutes of those fights because I expected that. T.O. is fighting Arnavard Bozer. T.O. never stopped nobody at the 140 division, so I knew he wasn't going to stop Arnavard Bozer because he's a real fighter. Devin Haney just coming off a devastating loss, so I'm knowing he just got to go in there and just get the win. And then Ryan Garcia, shouts out to Ryan Garcia and his star power, but he was never an A-lister fighter. You know what I'm saying?

So I kind of already expected the fights to turn out that way, but- What do you mean not an A-lister fighter? What do you mean by that? I feel like I want to talk down on me. You know, I'm not, but I just feel like, you know, he's not like an A-lister. Like he's probably like a B minus C plus type fighter like Rowley. Rowley is not no A-lister fighter. You understand what I'm saying? Rowley is like a C plus. His best was in B minus when he beat Ryan Garcia. Understand what I'm saying? He's there, not top of the tier, real elite level fighters like a Keyshawn Davis, like

a Javante Shakur, like a Boots Endis. You know what I'm saying? They not one of them A-listers, I feel like. You know what I'm saying? So I kind of expected a week to go like that, but the fight to go like that, but leaving that fight, the only thing I was thinking was like, yo, Turkey, next time you have a super event like that just put me on that card I'm gonna show you some action. I love that did you say that to him? Oh I know he's seen one I know he's seen one in my live so I know he's seen it you know but I

didn't personally say it so next time I see him though you know. Yo you got a you did a great interview with Andre Ward and we'll let you go in a couple of minutes, but I just wanted to ask you about one quote from this. Those sit downs that Ward is doing are great. The art of Ward, go check them out. They're doing great stuff. It's on YouTube. The quote was, I can't love this too much because this is going to come and go and once it's gone, I can't keep fighting.

I love this sport for sure, but just for the moment. How do you stop like all these great things are happening to you. Like I said, your dreams are being realized. You're having legends from your hometown, like true sporting legends, world renowned legends showing you love, right? Putting you over.

How do you not allow yourself to love this too much? How do you not get intoxicated by all the things that are happening to you? Because when you love something too much, it becomes the desire. In the Bible, the God said, desire nothing but Him. So God is my only real desire. God is the only one who I truly want.

You can't be boxing for the rest of your life. And also outside of that, people don't know like us fighters after we retire, that's when we start having our real problems. Not just financially, talking about physically and mentally. That's after we, that's statistic. After we retire about 10 to 15 years down the line, that's when all the boxers start catching up with us. So why would I love something that can potentially just in my life sooner than expected? Wow.

Okay. This is why I love talking to you. You're very thoughtful and you're wise beyond your years. It's a real pleasure. One last thing I want to ask you about also fighting on this card, Abdullah Mason. Is he a name that you're interested in or do you not feel like it's time for that? I mean, he feel like it's time for it. So I mean, he a grown man, you know, walking his own footsteps, you know, so if he ready for it, I'll give him my opportunity.

Do you think he's ready for it? No. But if he out here saying that he want to fight me and I'm the WBO champion at this time third, you know me, I'm going to give you a shot. So expect that soon. Damn. What a fight that would be. That would be incredible. I love when you fight back home.

The last one was tremendous. Also your brothers are on the card as well. So DB3 are going to be representing once again. It's going to be a great scene of duel on the card. There it is. Kelvin Keon and of course, Keishon headlining the bill one more time back at the Scope Arena June 7th this Saturday. It's on ESPN. Check them out. You're the man. Really appreciate the time. Congrats on all the success. Good luck on Saturday and can't wait to see what you do out there on Saturday and then beyond. It's a lot of fun watching your career progress here. Thank you, Kishon. Appreciate it.

Thank you, man. Thank you. There he is, Kishon Davis, one of the brightest young stars in all of boxing. 13-0, nine knockouts, the relatively new WBO lightweight champion. He won that belt back on February 14th, defeating Dennis Branchik. And this will be the first defense of his title. By the way, 2020 Olympic Games silver medalist as well. We had a great, great chat with him in studio back in February, right after that fight. So if you want to learn more about the young man

and everything he's been through, he has been through a lot and he is not shy about talking about it, mental health struggles and all. Do check that out. In a couple of minutes we're going to be joined by Macy Barber. She's not here yet, is she? No sir. Okay, we got an email from someone who works, I want to get his title correct. He is a doctor, Department of Emergency Medicine at Johns Hopkins Medicine. Can I say his name, Rick or no? Where's Rick not there?

Stuck away. All right. I won't say his name, but someone who's a doctor, who has written to us from time to time and he offered his thoughts on what transpired. What happened to Macy this past weekend. I wanted to read some of it. He said, it's both scary and medically complex. As we all know, right before her walkout, Macy reportedly suffered a seizure backstage and was ruled medically unfit to compete.

I don't have all the details, but from a medical perspective, there are a few possible scenarios that I've been considering. One possibility is that Macy has a known seizure disorder, like epilepsy, that she knows about and regularly takes anti-seizure medications for. If that's the case, the extreme stress of fight week combined with dehydration, poor sleep, and rapid weight loss could have lowered her brain seizure threshold. In other words, her body was more primed to seizure under pressure. A very real possibility. Afterwards, her body was more primed to seizure under pressure, a very real possibility. There's also a chance this was a provoked seizure caused directly by the weight cut

itself. Macy's missed weight, as we know, which for me signals a particularly brutal cut. When athletes and patients in general dehydrate rapidly, they can develop dangerous electrolyte shifts. One of the most concerning is hypernatremia, where sodium levels spike as fluid leaves the body. It's rare in the general population but in fighters aggressively cutting weight, water weight, it's something we absolutely worry about. Severe dehydration can also throw off

calcium, phosphate, and magnesium levels, all critical for normal brain function and all putting you more at risk for seizures. Either way," he continues, "'I bring this all up because it's a powerful reminder that fighter safety doesn't just start when the cage door closes. What these athletes put their bodies through in the days leading up to a fight can have real serious consequences. Macy genuinely could have died from her seizure, which I don't think many people are highlighting. As a doctor and fan, I'm glad Macy is okay, and I hope her case adds fuel to the conversation

around safer weight cuts in the sport. So I appreciate that. Some expertise. Hopefully in a couple minutes we'll get some answers as to what happened. An unfortunate situation no doubt about it, but also a very scary situation. I know the word unprofessional was thrown around. I don't think Macy just said like, peace, I'm out of here. I don't think Macy said like, hey, I have no interest in fighting.

That would be unprofessional. Didn't show up. There's a lot more at play here, I think. Not trying to make any excuses on her behalf, but those are real things. And she has had some health issues in the past. She didn't make weight. She did take the fight. She did agree to paying a fine, 20% of her show money.

And then literally as they're playing the music, the walkout music, the promo, the package, it falls apart. Wild. Wild stuff. So we'll talk to her about that in a matter of minutes. Following that we'll be joined by the great Robbie Lawler, who I do think is in town to attend UFC 316, which I'm looking forward to. It's going to be a great card and everyone's going to say, the UFC is back! Or it's going to be a bad card and everyone's going to say, the UFC is washed!

Everyone's going to say, the UFC is back. Or it's going to be a bad card. And everyone's going to say, the UFC has washed. Whatever it is, I'm looking forward to the top five fights in particular. Mirab versus Suga. Juliana versus Kayla. Can't wait for that. Kelvin versus Joe Pfeiffer.

That face off is going to be spicy. Mario Bautista against Patchy Mix, the debut of the Bellator Bantamweight Champion, I guess now former, and Luque versus Holland. That's an amazing five pack of fights. That's pay-per-view worthy if you ask me. Can't wait for Peña versus Harrison. Can't wait for Marab versus Suga. Curious to see what Apache does. Do they fast track him with a win?

Going to be interesting. That's this Saturday at the Prue, at the Rock. Full early prelim card, four fights on the early prelims. Then the middle portion there has another four chaos. Williams on there, Sergei Spivak against Waldo Cortez Acosta, who also got some heat from Mr. Derrick Lewis yesterday. And then the 5 fights on pay-per-view. All right. Let's turn our attention back to this week. Speak to the aforementioned Macy Barber who is kind enough to join us and we appreciate that very much.

And most importantly, very happy to see that she is hopefully doing a lot better than this past weekend. Thank you for joining us, Macy. First things first, most important, how are you doing? How are you feeling? I'm all right. I'm not feeling the best.

I'm a little discouraged, a little sad and just frustrated just because the outcome this weekend. Not what I wanted to happen, but we're here. I am alive, so that's good. Most important, very, very happy to hear that. Can we start at the beginning, wherever the beginning is, when did you start to feel like something was wrong? I mean, I'm not quite sure.

Uh, obviously I was in the back warming up. Um, and obviously people also were asking you about the weight cut just because of me missing weight, you know, and why I missed weight and all of that. Um, again, I'm not quite sure what went wrong, but something happened during the weight cut that the coaches were like, okay, we're and Tyler, they called that off, they didn't want me to keep cutting. And they felt that if I kept cutting, I was going to end up in the hospital. And then during the warm up, you know, the rehydration was fine. Everything was great. I felt good on fight day and then I was warming up.

And to be honest, that's really all that I remember is warming up. And then I remember being in the back of an ambulance. And that was, that's really all that I remember. But I do know that one thing I do know is that I've cut the same amount of weight before. I've done everything the exact same as this week. So I'm not really sure what happened or what's going on. But Hunter and Dr. Davidson and all the doctors at the UFC, they're trying to get me the best doctors and the best care. They're going to be sending me out of state to go and get more exams, go and get more

tests, see a neurologist. I had an MRI this morning and so we're just trying to figure out what happened and what exactly had gone on on Saturday. As of right now, do you know what happened? Like, do you have any idea what your body went through? No, obviously I know that Hunter told Erin that or Erin had said in an interview that I had had a seizure. But to be honest, we don't know if it was a seizure.

We don't know that it is that because there was no doctors necessarily in the room. I've seen videos of what happened. I've seen everything and doctors have seen videos and they're not saying, oh, it was 100% that. They're just trying to figure out what it was 100% that they're just trying to figure out what it was. And so I've done CT scans, I've done MRIs, I've done multiple tests already. Then we're going to be sending me to some further doctors to get more testing. Have you ever suffered from a seizure of any kind before in the past?

Have you ever suffered from a seizure of any kind before in the past? No, never. No, I've never, no, I don't have any history of anything. And that's why it's so weird. And that's why they're like, we, that's not what it was. That's not what we're thinking it is. You know, I was told that, you know, it, it looked like a pseudo seizure or whatever that is. But we're not, again, we're not quite sure we don't have any answers yet, but we're working on them right now. Do you think what happened on Friday leading to, you know, missing weight had anything to do with what happened on Saturday? Do you think the two were related?

I think the two are related, but the other thing that I do know is that it wasn't the cut. Like it wasn't, it wasn't the water. It wasn't the bath. It wasn't the sauna. Cause I've done it all before. I've done the exact same process. I've worked with Tyler for years and years and we've never encountered something like this.

So, um, I think that it's what made the cut challenging. And now we're trying to get to the bottom of it. Because again, that can't happen. One, I can't be missing weight from something like that. And also I cannot have an outcome with a fight like that. I can't be trying to walk out for a fight and then not make it there. For me, it was really upsetting. The fact that one, I know that when I agree to do a job, that's my job, it's my passion, it's something I love to do, and I had every intention of being there.

Then also, it doesn't look good on the UFC and it doesn't look good for Aaron. So to me, it was just really upsetting and frustrating, you know, because I had every intention of being there and I always want to fight, you know. It's my dream, you know, my dream to hold that belt. And so what happened was really, really discouraging. And to the best of my knowledge, I don't recall you missing weight.

Have you ever missed weight before in your career? I've missed weight one time in my entire career of fighting. That was pre-UFC, right? Yeah, that was pre-UFC. It was when I had a lot of issues going on with a stalker and with some other personal life issues. And that was also at 115. I've never missed a weight at 125.

I've never even been close to missing weight at 125, which is why I'm like, it doesn't make sense. Nothing makes sense. Did you consider after what happened on Friday, not fighting at that point? Did anyone tell you, Hey, maybe we shouldn't go through with this? Uh, no, I mean, no one was really worried. I mean, obviously they, they pulled it before anything got dangerous. I mean, that's why they made that decision.

They were like, look, you can either keep cutting. And I wanted to keep cutting, but they had made that decision of like, look, your health comes first. So, um, if fight we're gonna call it and so they called it And that's where I was like I I rehydrated everything was fine And then Saturday happened. I mean That was not the we didn't consider like hey, we should pull out. Hey, we should do this because I mean nothing was Nothing was wrong at that point. It was just, we don't think that we should keep cutting. The reason I asked that, and obviously this is from afar

and it's obviously impossible to know, but as you know, the photo of you on the scale, it was a little bit scary. Did not look like yourself. You do not look like you look now, obviously. And so I wasn't sure just how bad it was. Yeah. I mean, I, like I said, I cut the exact same amount of weight. I did everything. I've

been working on this for a while with Tyler and we've done the exact same thing that we've done the last, however many fights I've had in the UFC, you know, it's not anything different than what we've done in the past. And for whatever reason, my body just didn't work the way it should have worked. And I mean, it's not an excuse. And I don't think that it played that big of a factor. But I did have my period on the same time. So I don't know if it was an additional stressor on my body. But again, it's not an excuse and I fully expected to make weight. But I believe that we would have made it if we had decided to push even harder. But I don't think that we should have risked that at my health. But obviously, again, here we are. Yeah. Can I ask, and obviously, totally understand if you don't think that we should have risked that at my health, but obviously again,

here we are. Yeah. Can I ask, and obviously totally understand if you don't want to go into this, but you said you saw some footage of what happened. Could you tell us like what you're seeing when you see these videos? Yeah, I don't really want to discuss that right now. I don't think that it's a good idea. And again, it hasn't been diagnosed as anything yet,

so I'm gonna keep it private. I understand. In the aftermath, when you're looking at the stuff, and she was in real time having to process all this as well, and so I feel for her to a degree as well, you're about to fight and it all kind of comes undone, but referring to you as unprofessional and then saying that you have to get your life in order,

this is a little bit of adding insult to injury, if you will, because you're going through a lot in the moment. As you're seeing this, as I said before, you came on someone pulling out of a fight due to a medical issue I don't think is unprofessional. If you just would have said, hey, I don't feel like fighting today,

that to me is unprofessional, but this seems like it's something completely out of control for you. So how are you reacting to that as you're seeing this? I saw the post on Instagram and you referenced it a little bit, but in the state that you were in, how are you reacting to these, to these quotes? Yeah, I mean, a couple of different reactions. I mean, for one, I mean, I don't think Erin's been through anything really difficult. I mean, I can't say that 100%. But

I mean, she's, she's young. I mean, we're both young, but she's, I think that I've had a lot of life thrown at me. I think I've been through a lot of things, injuries, sickness, health issues, losses, wins, like I've had, I've had a lot of experience within the UFC and, and just within life, you know, and I think that that is a maturity that I've had a lot of experience within the UFC and just within life. I think that that is a maturity that I've been able to accomplish. I'm not quite sure that she has the same maturity. For her to go out and say that also, there's a lot of emotions. She's getting ready to walk out.

There's probably some nerves there. All of a sudden, you're like, oh, you're not walking out. And I'm sure that she was upset, you know, but I mean, the reality is she walked away with a show, a win, and a percentage of the purse, and I walked away with a bunch of health issues and nothing. So I think that she did just fine. And I mean, she's gonna, she could turn around and fight next week if she wanted to. And I'm over here, like, I'm gonna be working on this for a while. And I know that the UFC is behind me and they're doing everything they can to help me get through this and to help me get back to where I need to be. But,

I mean, for her to say that I'm unprof to where I need to be. But I mean, for her to say that I'm unprofessional and I need to get my life in order. Yes, I need to get my health in order. Because I've given everything to the sport because I'm a professional. I have given everything I have inside my body to this life and to being the best I can possibly be. And you know what? It's not always easy. And I wish the best on her career and I wish the best on her health and her life. But I wouldn't wish this on anybody. It's frustrating. It's challenging. And I think that she should learn to have a little bit of compassion and understanding because you never know when something is gonna happen in your life.

And so, you know, I wish her nothing but the best, but I think that's very immature of her. At some point down the line, do you feel like this fight has to happen? She has said she's not interested, but given the history now, do you feel like this is a fight that has to happen? I think that there is the history. I think that we're building this where, you know, there's going to be a lot of, there's things she said, there's things I've said, and I think that that's what builds fights. And I think that that's, I think it's a perfect fight. And I think that that's a I think it's a perfect fight

and It might be a cursed one, you know, like it might be one of those fights where it may never happen but If I ever get the chance to I promise you that I will be Aaron Blanchett and I will finish her and I will hurt her I saw a post from your coach Cody Donovan who said that you were begging to fight and You may not even remember this given the state that you're in, but I'm wondering if any of that, you know, we talked about it when you were on the show

last week about her saying that you don't show up and all that stuff. Was this playing in your mind, saying like, I don't want to feed into this, or I don't want to, I don't want her to say that she was right or anything like that. Is that why you were begging to fight? I mean, a lot of it is really blurry.

I mean I don't doubt that I was sitting there begging them to let me fight because I mean the root of it all and deep in my heart, I mean that's what I was born to do, you know? That's what I was created to do and that's what I love to do and so so I, I do believe that, you know, I was sitting there begging them to let me just walk out. But I also know that I trust them with my life. You know, I trust all the coaches and I trust the commission and the doctors. I mean, I have to trust them and they know what's best and you know, they weren't going to let me walk out. And yeah, I wanted to fight and I don't know if it was necessarily because of like what what she had said or anything but I think what it really was at the end

of the day I mean, I represent the UFC and I want to do the best that I possibly can. And for me to get to that point and not be able to show up. I'm, I think that at the root of it all is that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be able to show up. I think that at the root of it all, that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to be able to go out there and show up and be a professional that I am, and be the fighter that I am, and put on a show for everyone.

And I think that was mainly how I was feeling. Cause I remember in the back of the ambulance, I was like, I just need to talk to Hunter. I just need to talk to Dana. I just need to talk to Hunter, I just need to talk to Dana, I just need to tell them that, you know, like this is, like I just felt like I had let everybody down. Definitely didn't do that. And I'm certain they didn't express that

or make you feel that way after speaking to them. I know I'm asking you a lot of questions and I'm gonna let you go in a moment. And a lot of these questions you can't answer, but we obviously talked about the health issues from last year. Do you think there's any relationship between the ones that you were dealing with last year,

the scary hospital visit and this, or is it too early to say? I think it's too early to say. I've been asking the same questions, is it related, is it? Because I mean, we never got any answers from the hospital. And I think that to me, I think that that just shows like, me how like, shows me and a lot of people how much we can all understand that like the medical system is

really challenging, you know, like if you go to a doctor and you have something that's wrong, and then they're like, they pass you from one doctor to the next, to the next, to the next, and you're constantly searching for answers. And sometimes you get some, and then sometimes those answers don't go and even match up with another doctor. And so I think that right now for me, it's too early to say because I don't know. I'm not a doctor and I, you know, I'm a fighter. I'm not entirely sure if it was related, if it is, if it isn't. I think that that's why having what happened back on Saturday night, I think that everyone being there and seeing what was going on, I think that that was like, oh, we really

need to get to the bottom of this. And now we're going to be able to have some doctors and some specialists that are going to all come together and really take a look at the entire picture, you know, because as spiders, I mean, we all get sick, we all get hurt. But we are wondering, you know, what if it is like all related or what if it's not related? I don't know. But I think that we're going to get those answers. So as soon as we do, I will tell you, I appreciate. So what are the next steps? What's on the horizon for you?

Um, well, I've already had two MRIs. I had another one this morning. Um, I've had CT scans, we're waiting on all the results. Uh, from what I was told, there's going to be lab work. There's going to be CT scans. We're waiting on all the results. From what I was told, there's going to be lab work, there's going to be more scans. They're looking at sending me to Boston to see a specialist. So it sounds like I'm going to be making a trip out to Boston. And then also just kind of waiting to see what's next from there. But I'm just really thankful. You know, the Hunter and the UFC, they've taken it into like to the, to the maximum of like, we're going to get answers and we're going to get to the bottom of this.

And we are going to do everything that we need to do to make sure that you are healthy and we can get you back in there. So I'm just really thankful that, you know, I'm, I'm here and that I have a, I fight for an organization that's like, no, we're not going to stop until we get you back in there, you know, not just because you fight for us, but also just because, you know, something that I love to do. So I'm really thankful. Last question, we've talked a lot about your physical health. Mentally, how are you dealing with all of this? How are you handling it all?

It's challenging, but one thing I was thinking about when I, again, when I was, I had a lot of thoughts when I was in the back of that ambulance. And a lot of thoughts when I was sitting there in the hospital before I left. And I just remember thinking, you know, I don't have to do this. I get to do this. I get to be in this life. I get to have these opportunities. And even though it may be challenging, there's a lot of people in this world that don't even get the opportunity to to wake up another day or to walk

or to do a lot of things. So as challenging as it is, I'm just really trying to be thankful. It's not pretty all the time. I think I cried 15 times yesterday. Just because it is hard and it is challenging and it is frustrating to not have an answer and to be like, oh, you're good, oh and to be like, oh,

you're good or you're not. Oh, you're this is going on and that's going on. You know, it is really, really frustrating and really challenging. But I also have faith and I also believe that there is a plan and that somewhere, somehow it'll all come together and it all make sense and that, you know, it's just another part of the story. You know, I've been through a lot of things in my life. And so 27 years old, I know that this is,

we are far from done. So I'm just really trying to take it day by day and moment by moment and just really learn to appreciate the things that I do have. Wishing you the best, Macy. You're a class act and I appreciate you coming on and speaking so openly about this. Most importantly, hope you get well soon. Hope this is just a small bump in the road. It will make for a great story someday down the line when the entire story is told of your career. Be well, hang in there, stay strong, and hopefully sooner rather than later this will all be behind

you. So again, thank you so much and good luck in the next few months as you try to get better and figure this all out. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. There she is Macy Barber kind enough to join us after a very difficult a few days and probably Going to be some you know difficult few weeks coming up as she tries to figure this out I can't imagine how frustrating this is for her. Remember rank number five on a six-fight winning streak she is 14 and 2. She's one of the best fighters in the women's flyweight division and she you know she is going to be back and and we hope that this is just a small road bump if you will. Speed bump. Roadblock, speed bump. Yeah, that's it for her.

So again, thank you to her for coming on and wishing her nothing but the best. In a matter of moments, we are going to be joined in studio by one of the greatest of all time. And I don't say that lightly. 30 and 16 as a fighter, 43 years young, former UFC welterweight champion, the first from ATT way back in the day.

Two-time Hall of Famer as of three weeks from now. Former elite XC middleweight champion, former strike force middleweight contender. 22 wins via KO, one via sub. Fifth most KO slash TKO wins in UFC welterweight history. Fifth longest time in the UFC octagon in welterweight history. Over five hours wins over Rory McDonald, Matt Brown, Carlos Conda, Johnny Hendrix, Nick Diaz, Cowboy Cironi, Matt Linlin, Melvin Manhoff, Ninja Hua, Chris Lytle. Amazingly made his pro debut a month after his 19th birthday.

Pro debut a month after his 19th birthday UFC debut Was UFC 37 UFC 37 in Bossier City, Louisiana defeated Aaron Riley Had a stint there left went all over Pride, King of the Cage, IFL, Strikeforce, Elite XC, Strikeforce gets purchased, 2011 comes back to the UFC, goes on an incredible run, at 170 pounds, and then becomes champion. Becomes champion at 170 pounds, has a great run there, and a year ago retired.

After his win over Nico Price. Remember that? The tears, the video package, and then we found out back in March he's going in the Hall of Fame. I think he would be the first to say, wasn't always a fan of doing interviews, speaking to the media, never thought he would come in studio.

So I'm very much looking forward to this. This is gonna be great. Some of his greatest, some of his greatest knockouts, in my opinion, are on the list of greatest knockouts of all time. I mean, again, if there are any new fans who have never seen a Robbie Lawler fight, golly. the UFC has a video that they posted a few years ago, his greatest knockouts, and it's from a couple years ago,

so there are some missing. Just, I mean, just sit back and enjoy. His nickname was Ruthless. Some of the most ruthless, vicious knockouts you will ever see. Truly. Again, Manhoff, Linlin, two of my favorites, ruthless, vicious knockouts you'll ever see. Truly. Again, Manhoef, Linlin, two of my favorites, but he had so many others.

These days he's been coaching over at Kilcliffe, and there have been some rumors, talks, reports of potentially a bare-knuckle fighting venture too, which I think would be a sight to see especially against one Mike Perry And so we'll be able to ask him all those questions and more without further ado Let us say hello to the living legend the two-time Hall of Famer the former UFC welterweight champion the former Elite XC middleweight champion the former strike force title cont contender, the one and only Ruthless Robbie Lawler. Wow, great to see you, man.

What's up, man? How are you? I'm good. It's amazing to see you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate this, Robbie. And I was saying before you came in, never in my million years, in my thoughts that I ever think

that Robbie would come in studio because I always kind of got the impression you didn't love doing this sort of thing. Yeah, definitely never. You never liked it? It's part of the business, I guess. Well, the impression you didn't love doing this sort of thing. Yeah, definitely never. You never liked it? It's part of the business, I guess. Well, now that you're retired, you can maybe let your hair down a little bit.

Yeah. Whatever hair you have. Yeah, right? Not much, not much. But yeah, I always used to remember the media day interviews and stuff like that. I always kind of felt like, yeah, you didn't really want to do this.

Yeah, I'm kind of like, let's just fight. Yeah. You guys, I feel like that's what I got into the sport for, to fight and make a little money, and that's all I really wanted to do. And I think you did that. Tried to. Quite well.

So there's a lot to talk to you about. By the way, congratulations, you're going back into the Hall of Fame, this time as a solo act, if you will, so two-time Hall of Fame inductee. Did you have any idea, by the way, when they put that up there? You were in attendance, right, in March? Yeah.

But did you know that that announcement was coming? Uh, I had a feeling just because the year before they asked me to go and I just had a feeling so, but still it was shocking when- What do you mean the year before they asked you? The year before they were like, hey, you wanna come to a UFC? I'm like, yeah, and then I'd cancel. Oh really? Yeah, so. Why?

Just cause I had stuff going on. Okay, okay. Just stuff going on, couldn't make it. And then when I was, yeah, just couldn't make it. And so, you know, it's wild because we saw you cry when you made the retirement, you know, speech and they had the video. Seeing Robbie Lawler cry is a weird thing.

And here's the video right here. You're one of the toughest human beings on earth. I bet you probably don't like to see yourself cry, right? I don't really mind, but it wasn't so much, like I'm one of those guys who never let the highs or the lows get to me, and I never really took praise or hate period. Cause I just stayed level,

but to hear all those kind words from all those fighters, like what was nice. I was able to take it in when I never really like let myself, because I'm just always competing onto the next thing, but there's nothing onto the next thing for fighting right now so just kind of like all those years of not allowing myself to

I'd be like, oh, yeah, thanks, but I've never really hard at all Just kind of like moving on to the next I was just a lot at one moment a lot of years Was that a conscious decision when you were fighting to not get too high or get too low or is that just who you are as a person? That's just who I am. It's all about competing. How can I get better? Like you're just,

cause what do you get from those things? Do you get, it has to do with techniques, how you're getting better. And I don't think any of those things really help hate or praise. It's just, where do I need to go to get better? I just... Even when you're UFC champion and you're on top of the world,

you're not like getting a big head, you're not allowing yourself to smell the roses or... Not really, because you're kind of onto the next, how can I figure this thing out? How can I get better? So you can't really like ever, I'd never let myself like truly like take it all in. Right. And so now you're maybe allowing yourself

to do that a little bit more. Short spurts, cause I mean- You're not sitting back and looking at your old fights? No, no. Not showing your kids? No, just kind of like onto the next. Really? Like, yes.

Who are you moving forward? How are you growing? How are you? I mean, that's just kinda how I am. Like, what can I do now that it's not who you are, it's who you are now and who you're trying to be. So that's. So like something like the Hall of Fame,

do you kinda dread it? No. Because it's more of like a celebration of your past. I don't, what I think it is is for me, it's good for me, but it's also for everyone who helped me because I didn't do all this on my own. Like I had a lot of help, a lot of people who supported me.

It's for them also. Okay. And so who are you now? Like you say, like that's who I am and who I'm going to be. Who is Robbie Lawler right now? Just trying to be a good coach, a family guy, African business, just trying to better myself, learn nutrition, just evolving and trying to fine tune who I am and get better.

It doesn't stop just because fighting's over. Is your main thing these days coaching at Kilcliff? Yeah, I do a coach business. What's the business? Is the business the coaching? Yeah, coaching. Do you enjoy coaching? I do. So many people help me, but it's time. How much time can you put in? A lot of these guys just come in for fights, so it's like figuring out what they need now and what they need in the future, because sometimes they're only there for six weeks. So it's like figuring out what they need now and what they need in the future because sometimes they're only there for six weeks.

So it's like, and then you're getting ready for one guy. So you see all these things they need to work on, but you also see what they need to work on for that fight. So it's like, all right, I only have six weeks. How do I? Yeah. Because there are some gyms and guys who live in cities that they're there year round.

Yes. But the Florida gyms like ATT, Kill Cliff, a lot of the guys like a Chandler, right? He'll just come in for the camp. Probably for a coach, it'd be, like a lot of people say, the best work is done in between camps, right? I would agree. I would agree, because it's, you fine tune

eight weeks out from a fight, but you're strengthening everything, building your body up, and when the fight's not even signed yet, so. So do you have guys that you specifically work with right now? I just kind of oversee, and then I work with certain guys, and if they want my help, I'm there to. Are you there every day?

Yeah, I'm there every day. Okay. I mean, I don't go on Saturdays, sometimes I go on Saturdays, but Monday through Friday. And are you head coach for some of these guys? I'm an assistant to the assistant. Okay, fair enough. Was this always something you wanted to do?

I've kind of been doing this this whole time because some of the guys- You mean when you're active? Yeah, just kind of helping up and comers. Here's a little technique here, a little technique. I mean, we're all helping each other each other really is what it comes down to now taking a step back and like no fighting is involved for me, so it's More about given but yeah, it's always coach and if you have a good team around you everyone's learning from everybody

Could I ask him? Maybe this is a hard question to answer. Who was your favorite coach? Who's the coach that you connected with the most that you are trying to patent your coaching style after now? Mm-hmm I don't know who I don't know but it's You've had some great ones. Yeah a lot of good ones. I take little pieces from everyone and I'm like also Listening to other coaches around the world and different sports different. Oh, you're studying. Yeah, I study. I'm like, cause it's, you can't coach every fighter the same. Everyone's different.

Everyone needs different techniques, different ways to touch certain buttons on them. So it's, it's a lot. This is a very emotional game, right? Like there's supreme highs and lows, but again, you're such an even keel guy. Perhaps that's good for a coach, right? Like you don't get big fight, doesn't go your way.

You're not like licking your wounds on the Saturday and Sunday. You're back at it on Monday saying like, how do we get better, right? Exactly. And I'm like detached cause I'm kind of trying to see everything from up there. I'm not, I'm invested, but I'm like trying to

do it with no emotion so I can be sharp and love it over time just kind of like figuring out. By the way, when you had that fight and the win over Nico Price, because it was so quick and dominant and I know you kind of said like this is probably the last one and then you you kind of confirmed that. Was there any part of you in the back your mind and being like, yo this is too good like why don't I just keep going, I'm winning in 37 seconds? Yeah, there's always that, but it wasn't necessarily, it was the time I could put it in.

I can't train like I used to, I can go hard and I can do and fight at a high level, but it's how long it takes to recover now. So like, what do I have? Like, cause I work out still. I mean, I lift somewhere between four to five times a week. I might hit the bag three to four times a week and grapple here and there, but it's, it's a lot of work and, and the stress of like getting ready and the time you have to put in and the selfishness you have to put in

to get yourself ready, like, and then you have to want it on top of it. Because you love, I would imagine you love fighting, right? Yeah. When did you make the decision or the determination? What was the factor that said, okay, like this is gonna be it? Couple fights before that.

I'm like, when is the time, when is the time? And it just... Was that hard for you? Uh, no, it wasn't hard, it's just, no one can tell me when, I have to tell myself, like, don't let someone, like, hey, after a time, I'm like, I'm the boss.

What's interesting is some fighters say, like, they miss, like, the crowd, the crowd the fans the attention the hoopla I feel like you don't miss any of that. You just miss the the adrenaline the fight, right? Yeah I like I like the fight. I like the obviously making good money sure sure stuff that I've done my whole life, but it's like How much training can I put into I could do it but it's a lot more work and I have to structure it on breaks and rest and like, a lot harder now as you age to fine tune everything. Have you been tempted at any point this year to come back?

No, not really. I mean, I keep myself in pretty good shape. I just, just in case, you know, somebody runs up on me, I'm ready. On the street. you know somebody runs up on me. I'm ready on the street anywhere right I always I always just keep myself in shape just cuz like I Love being in shape, and I love being able to Take care of business sure I have to when's the last time someone tried to run up on you oh Never no even as a kid as a kid maybe but not when you were Robbie Lawler I

Never? No. Even as a kid? Oh, as a kid maybe. But not when you were Robbie Lawler? I don't know. Okay, so what's this like you getting back into the pool stuff? Oh yeah, I mean I've been in the pool for a while. You never left?

I don't know about that but it's just... What do you mean you don't know? Yeah, we're getting the old Robbie back. So yeah, exactly. You touch certain points and I frickin' You go back and then you... God, yeah. So really what it was is I was in the pool already and then they happened to test me when there was a whole bunch of people at the gym and then some guy basically said, oh he's been in the pool

well I've been in the pool for a while obviously somebody at our gym probably was like, what's Robbie doing in the pool even though I had been tested months before that. So to me, it was like, whatever. So it didn't seem like you were coming back, but I'd be remiss if I don't ask, like the Mike Perry, BKFC stuff, that continues to come up.

Feldman has talked about it, Perry has talked about it. On your end, is that a real thing? Not really, I mean, they touched base probably January last year, and this is where we are today, so, like, you tell me. Is it something that you're interested in? I mean, I never say never to anything, but, I mean, I'm tired. Could you even do it because of the UFC? I mean, we have to cross those paths when we need to.

Old Robbie coming back. Exactly, yeah. How do you feel about bare-knuckle? I mean, a fight's a fight, right? I think so. I mean, that's how I first started fighting. we need to. Old Robbie coming back. Exactly, yeah. How do you feel about bare knuckle? I mean, fights a fight, right? I think so. I mean, that's how I first started fighting. I mean, I did martial arts. Yeah. But like, I mean, obviously as a kid.

Are you a fan of it? Do you watch it? I don't watch too much fighting unless I'm watching somebody that is gonna be fighting one of our guys or something where I'm learning something so it's otherwise I'll dive too deep and I'll spend too much time on it so I'll just pick and choose what I spend my time on. You kind of are with like this is the compliment like tailor-made for that world right I mean

like there are only certain fighters that could do that I think some guys just don't there have been other like like, no, I want the gloves. And that's no knock on them, but like, I feel like you in that world would be. Well, really a fight, to me, a fight to fight. I mean, knees to the head of the grounded opponent, soccer kick, stomps, like, that's kind of like fighting. I know you had one pride fight, but that was in America.

Yeah, but when I fought in Hawaii, we had all those rules. Did you like that? Yeah, it's- You wanted everything allowed. Well, you weren't safe anywhere. Like if you were in the front headlock position, you probably shouldn't hang out there

because you might be getting needed in the head. So like, it's just more stuff to worry about and no resting spots. You know, it's interesting that we're talking to you this week because a big topic on this show and in the sport right now has been, obviously the UFC is so dominant, but there aren't a lot of number two, number three,

number four promotions in the sport and in America in particular. And you're the perfect example of how this could help you. Like you had the first run with the UFC, okay, it is what it is, but then great success with Elite XC, Strikeforce, had a little run with IFL, the Pride fight, you're in Hawaii, those spots don't exist anymore.

You know what I mean? Like if you're a guy in the UFC who is like, okay, maybe you're three and three and they say, okay, go build yourself up, where are you going to build yourself up? I don't feel like the Showtime platform that you had, which was great, rebuild you, right? That doesn't exist anymore,

and I think that's a problem for guys. I think it's coming, but I definitely think everyone's kind of like looking to the UFC as the big show. They have the Contender Series, and now everyone's getting ready for that. I'm not sure when it is. July to September Dana White Contenders Series now that's a thing but it pretty much comes down to trying to get fights and getting them wherever you can so that when you do get to the UFC

it's not about getting to the UFC it's about staying. Sure. So when you left though and then you had to go to Elite XC and you had, you fought on CBS in front of millions of people. Like it wasn't like you were in the minor leagues. Was it always in the back of your mind, I'm doing all of this to get back to the UFC? Or if you didn't get back to the UFC, you would have been at peace. Yeah, I was, I was just kind of like a kid,

just fighting because I enjoyed fighting and like, oh, it's on CBS, okay, whatever. Like. You didn't care about any of that? No, cause I'm, I'm about to fight. No, cuz I'm I'm about the fight Yeah, but I'm about getting paid and fighting and doing what I love like, okay, there's people watching I Wasn't trying to be famous At all. It wasn't when I first started fighting there wasn't

Four million people right or watching it was four fights a year in the UFC, and we fought on Fridays. So it was like way different. Like I was doing it because I love to fight. You were a teenager. When I first started, I was a teenager. But by the time I got to the UFC, I was 20. Right, right, right.

But I mean, I think your debut, you were 19, right? Yeah. Your MMA debut. Yeah, but Pat made me like, he wouldn't let me go pro early. So you were with him as of 15, I think it was? Yeah, he came into the high school when I was 15, and then I'm like, what do you guys do? And then I started training with him like 16,

just doing the kickboxing classes, and then. Who started full-time. Pulver moved there when I was a senior. Okay. Yeah, and then Sylvia came shortly after that and Hughes was there and Just a lot of did he come to the school to recruit? Oh, no, he was coming to bring fighters there who were okay at wrestling like Jeremy Horn came Nate Schroeder one of the early UFC guys and just I'm like, hold on a second. What are you guys new? Wow

I'm like I've been training my whole life for this kind of because I did martial arts, learned the box, started wrestling. Taekwondo right? Yeah so it's just kind of like oh this is what I'm gonna do. I didn't tell anybody at 15 that that's what I was gonna do. Did you watch UFC then? Like were you a fan? Yeah I would go and like rent the like VHS just to see and I'm gonna be like what he got choked out you know when they had this yeah I didn't even know what was going on but yeah I liked fighting so watched all kung fu movies martial arts. Were you a pro wrestling fan too? I watched a little bit of it but more of a boxing fan and a football

fan American football. Right who are some of some of the boxers that you liked? Obviously Tyson growing up and then as I got older, I watched a lot of Holyfield fights. Okay. Just Felix Trinidad. Did you ever consider that instead of MMA? No, not really, because I mean, I wrestled, I could do so many things and it was just my avenue.

When you get to the gym, the Milltage Gym, are you familiar with who these dudes are? Like, do you know who Sylvia Hughes are? Not really. When Sylvia got there, I was already there, and he just moved in from Maine with Tony Fricklin, and I'm like, okay, who are these guys? But I knew who Jeff was.

He's intimidating. No, because I could fight. Yeah, I was like even though you were a kid. Yeah Yeah, but I don't try to bully you or anything like that or uh, I Mean there was times where like they tried to test you. Yeah, like they're all competitive guys But like I'm like, okay, this is how it is. I'm at the right place. Wow. Any situation where it got? No, no, no. All just everything handled in the gym.

No disrespect or anything. I'm like, okay, let's freaking turn it up. Any of those vets really take you under their wing? Was there one guy in particular? I mean, obviously, Matt Hughes, Jen's pull, where he's the guy who actually got me into the UFC Was there one guy in particular? I mean, obviously, Matt Hughes, Jen's pullover, he's the guy who actually got me into the UFC because he actually got my fight

and I think it was IFC or whatever in Hawaii, he set that up and then when I fought there, Dana was there and that's, I did well and then I got signed right after that. Did he put in the good word? Yeah, he said, you gotta go see this guy. But I think Dana was there anyways to see, I mean, that card was pretty stacked

with a lot of UFC guys. Amazing. And the end of the first UFC run, why did it end so quickly? I think it was like a two year run or so, right? Yeah, I just wasn't ready and it was. Did you agree with that? Did you think this was the right?

You don't have time to frickin worry about agreeing and like, oh, this is a woe is me. It's like, all right. On to the next. Yeah, let's frickin like fight. You didn't take it personally? No. A chip on your shoulder? Because it's sport. It's just kind of like, I don't focus on those things.

I just grind, okay, let's figure out a way to Get better and why can't I showcase what I'm capable of and that's was always the goal to like Showcase who I was as a fighter You know that's not common though, right? Like a lot of people would take it personally a lot of people be like man Screw these guys they gave up on me. I'm gonna show them. I'm gonna show the world. I mean disrespect and all that stuff How do you not how do you not have these thoughts? Mmm Maybe I wanted to be out of the UFC. Maybe I didn't want to do interviews

Who knows but it's just kind of like okay, I get to go to Hawaii and fight cool, and then I wasn't cutting any weight, so I was enjoying my time there and and And then I wasn't cutting any weight, so I was enjoying my time there and just training and fighting. There wasn't much limelight anyways, but there was no limelight when you're fighting in Hawaii on the smaller shows. So I would just get to fight, improve my craft, work on my skills, and make money and go on vacation every time I fought. Yeah, I guess the truth is the UFC in 02, 03 wasn't- Yeah. Was it like- Yeah, I think I was out of there like 04,

I don't know, but then I was, yeah. All good. Yeah, it wasn't like it is today where it's, UFC is enormous. Like when you would walk down the street back then, did anyone know what you did for a living? Sometimes they would in Hawaii, like a lot of really good fans in Hawaii,

they would know who I was, but, no, you'd be at the airport no one's bothering you I mean. There was that period I have to say like I remember the the period that you were in Strike Force so it's post-elite XC you grew out the hair you had the beard remember that period? Yeah. It was a wild time. Why did you grow out the hair and beard? Just wanted something different? Yeah, I just grew my hair out. I felt like it was sort of like a metaphor. Maybe I'm looking at this a little too deeply. You're probably gonna laugh at me,

but do you remember the Tim Kennedy fight? The press conference? You fell asleep? Yeah. Like you were completely disinterested in all of this, right? You wanted nothing to do with any of this stuff. Yeah. And I thought it was a little bit of a metaphor

for the state of your career, because I felt like you weren't being challenged. You didn't feel like there was any fire and strike force. It was nothing for you to really chase. And here you are just being like, and you know, your record at that point, like I just didn't feel like we were getting the best of you.

Yeah, there could be something to that, but it could also be I didn't sleep well the night before, and then they wake me up at eight in the morning to frickin' drive an hour into the city of Chicago, and then I sit there and listen to frickin' fedora get asked questions for an hour into the city of Chicago and then I sit there and listen to freaking fedora get asked questions for an hour. Okay you were annoyed. I'm just kind of like what am I doing up? Sure sure yeah no you're right. It's like this is silly like being me so yeah. Okay so were you not actually sleeping? Were you more just like? I mean I would have went to sleep but like I got like

nudged a little bit, which was probably good. But like that's how I felt at the time. I was a kid. So but towards the end of that run, were you sort of feeling like, all right, I need something here? Because the guy that showed up in the UFC in a different weight class at 170, you were a completely different person. Yeah, like that, like a like a rocket had been put in you and you were there to kill everyone. Yeah. So like after the Kennedy fight, I'm like, what the heck's the matter with me? Why?

Who am I? Kind of thing. Okay. You had to look internally. The situation like who am I going to be? The guy who freaking just like going out there like fighting for a decent paycheck and just being another guy. So then I cleaned up my diet, ended up wrestling for like a year and a half at Iowa, just grinding hard workouts, doing my own thing.

And then UFC freaking bought Strikeforce and then I'm like, okay. I'm going down to 170 and I've been watching these guys for a long time and it's time. That was one of the most fun aspects of the purchase because it was you coming back, but you coming back in a new weight class. And it's like, all right, let's see how I was on a mission, but like, I had been watching all these guys. It's like, I was like an outsider just always watching. Obviously he fought Hughes and like paying

attention to that weight class, paying attention to a lot of fighters, but like, I'm like, okay, I match up good against that guy and just, it's different when you're the outsider looking in, no one's paying attention to you. Sure, sure. And then all of a sudden you'm like, okay, I match up good against that guy and just It's different when you're the outsider looking in no one's paying attention to you And then all of a sudden you're there and it's like, okay And then you're different than what they expected of you. Well, why did you decide to go down to 170 in that moment? I was always a 70 pounder by the end after training for I was like walking around at like 187

and fighting at 185. Just fighting for the fun of it, you know, just enjoying. You didn't want to do the extra to cut that weight even though you probably should've. At that time? Yeah. Why? I mean, I could compete. I mean, I didn't do great for a period of time,

but like, I can fight. Was it frustrating though because you felt like you were better than the guy that we were seeing, like you're like, I'm not this guy. It was always frustrating. If whenever I lost, like why isn't the guy that I know I am showing up? So that was always like, all right, get back to it until you show everybody. When they, when they bought strike force, did they call you and say, we want you to come like, how does that work?

So I think when I knew that they were buying, and I think it was at like the UFC, and Dana was like, hey, I think you're gonna be working for me pretty soon. Wow. I was kind of like, okay, something's going on, and there's rumblings on my okay. Yeah, wow.

And so they just took your contract and brought it over. Yep. I said earlier before you came in, I think two of my favorite knockouts of all time, not just your knockouts, number one I think all time for me, do you wanna guess? Manhoff.

Manhoff man. I think that might be my favorite knockout of all time. The way he kicked your leg, and then you returned in Miami I believe it was and this right here the way you freaking come out of nowhere with the right hand. What's going on with your leg over there? Not in this moment but you know the kicks right? I mean you'll never forget them. Yeah I used to be beating the crap out of my legs and.

How much did that hurt? During the fight it was just like a little bit of pain, but it's like, okay. Like one time I felt like a crunch and I like took a step. Okay. I'm good. One time I sprained my ankle after he kicked. I'm like, okay, can you walk? You're good.

You just kind of like doing assessments after like, okay, you're good. Like, and then it was just like, but he kept doing the same thing. If you go back and look at the fight, it was kick, come in with a barrage of punches, kick, come in with a barrage of punches. And then he did that one too many times and I was able to catch him with the right hand. Were you timing it? No, it was just like, okay, here's what he's doing. How many times does he have to do it?

You have to take advantage of it. In your mind, are you saying enough is enough? No, you're just kind of like biding your time. what he's doing, how many times does he have to do it? You have to take advantage of it. In your mind, are you saying enough is enough? No, you're just kind of like biding your time and just, he's a freaking freak with a lot of freaking knockouts at that time. Any damage after the fight to your leg? Yeah, I had a, I tore tore like a, my cartilage.

Okay, wow. Yeah. Surgery? Yeah. Oh wow. For this case, I had to clean it up a little bit. Because of the kicks? Yeah. Oh wow, wow, wow.

I felt it crunch in the fight, I'm like, oh, and that was one of like the assessments, I'm like, okay, I'm good, I can walk. That was your left, it was your left leg, right? My lead leg, right. Oh, you're right, okay. Is that your favorite? my lead leg right. Oh, you're right, okay.

Is that your favorite? I mean, there's a lot of people like it. I don't know if I really have any favorites. They're all. You don't have number one? No, not really. They're all. My number two, do you know what number two is?

Is it a strike force? Yeah. Linlin? Yeah. I love the, good job by the way. Good job. The Linlin one is, this one right here, like the way he falls and then flips over and then you're like, all right, this is over. I mean, to be honest, he was a, he was a little stiff in the fight.

Oh, for sure. Right? And like I was doing a lot of wrestling training, but like my footwork was really good. And I was in and out and Matt Lindland, who he is, and obviously has been training for a long time and fighting for a long time. And he just couldn't handle that speed, let alone on his feet.

And I'd never let him get a hold of me. So it's just not a good- It looked inevitable. Yeah. From the get-go. The footwork was a little too much and he was. And he was stiff and you were landing on your shots. And the way he fell and then turned over,

never quite seen that before. Yeah. Well, he probably got hurt and then like, kind of like woke up and like, obviously your neuro system as you age, it's not a. Moro's call, I don't know if you remember, it's like, ho ho ho, he gets a KO for Christmas. It was like right before Christmas. Yep. You never watch any of these? No, I don't, I

don't do Instagram or anything. You don't do anything? Social media, Twitter? No, I'll just dive too deep and I'm like not gonna spend my time. It's not good for you. Yeah, I just try to spend my time doing things that I think are productive for myself. Sure, not looking at your old highlights. Yeah, right? No, who's doing that? Yeah. Strike Force must have been a fun time, right?

It's like that era right there, that's when they're really kind of like starting to gain momentum and nipping at the UFC's heels. I thought they were putting on fun fights, no? Maybe Elite XC? Elite XC was pretty fun, but I had been at some of the Strike Force fights, and I wasn't fighting. I don't know who was fighting.

Maybe Ovarian, maybe I was in St. Louis, and I'm like a half a block away going to the bathroom in the freaking. Some guy comes and like, hey, what are you doing here? I'm like, there's fights here tonight. And they didn't even know. Obviously you're a fight fan, so like. Wow, wow, wow.

Yeah. So like. That didn't happen when you got back to the UFC. No, but like that just shows you how you're supposed to run a show, like somebody who knows who I am should know that there's a fight. Literally, yeah. 50 feet away. Yeah. 50 feet away.

Yeah. In their city. Were you motivated by the belt? Like when you got to the UFC, did you say to yourself, all right, I need to be a champion? Uh, yeah. Okay. I did.

Like I was just like, okay, I have a fricking goal and this is what I want. Okay. When you got that goal, what was that night? Like 181, right? Goal. Yeah. When you got the belt. Yeah. goal, what was that night like? 181, right? When I got that goal? Yeah, when you got the belt. Oh, when I, yeah.

Oh, that was good. It was like a lot of hard work and fricking sacrifice and grind put in and... Cause a lot of people thought you should have won it a few, you know, a few months prior, right? Did you think so? Uh, I would say that was a situation where I felt I won the fight and lost the competition. So this is 170, I think it was 171 or something.

Yes, roughly. Yeah. Johnny Hendrix. Yeah. He's really good. And he's a competitor and he freaking landed some good shots when push came to shove in the fifth and was able to get the victory and it just kind of like, all right, let's get after it.

I didn't do enough and have to freaking get there again. So that's, I was on the mission. There are some guys who kind of stick around post-retirement, Johnny is one of those guys who like, I've not heard a thing from him. Do you have any idea where he is, what he's doing? No, I have no idea, because I don't really like. Keep in touch.

Or like, watch social media. Right, right, right. Or like, stalk people or whatever. But he had a great run. Oh, for sure. He beat a lot of really good guys. And you have said he's super strong. Oh, really strong, like, yeah.

Like one of the strongest guys you've ever fought. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. But you got that, and I think you're the answer to a trivia question. You were the first guy from ATT to win a belt. Big deal. Well, UFC belt, right? Yeah, yeah, to win a UFC belt.

I remember Dan Lambert in the back going crazy because he finally had a UFC champion. And now you compete against Dan Lambert. Yeah. Why didn't you stay at ATT? It was just time for me to go. It was just like time to to go. Like it was just like, time to move on and find something else. But you wanted to stay in Florida? I'm just going wherever the sport's taking me

kind of thing, you know? Like I'm not saying never to this or that. Just kind of like going with the flow and wherever the sport's taking me, I'm headed. Did you want to fight GSP? Like was that one guy that? Yeah, I think I was always training for that guy. Yeah.

Like just never happened. Didn't work out. Yeah. Like he was the top of the top, so that was who I was always getting ready for. And when you became champion, was it what you thought it was going to be? Whatever you thought it was going to be?

Did you have any thoughts about what it could be? You had a nice run? I don't know, it just was what it was. It's just like you've won a title now, it's like okay, on to the next. It's different though, because now you're the guy, like you've reached the mountain, right? Yeah, now everyone's looking at you.

Yeah. So you have to readjust your goals. Right. And your motivation, right? Exactly, yep. Is that tough? It's a lot easier. Especially when you don't do it.

Sure, what does that mean? I never readjusted. I'm like, okay, I'm here. Now it's just like. Oh, you just kept going. Yeah, just kind of going like, all right. Was that a mistake? No, it just helps me with who I am today and it's just like, all right, I'm just like, you're fighting. Was that a mistake? No, it just helps me with who I am today

and like, it's just like, all right. Lessons learned. Yeah, exactly, so it's just, did you wish you could get that Woodley one? No, it just is what it is, it's just. No one saw that coming. Yeah, that's life. It happened and where are you onto next?

Was that one where, because he didn't have necessarily that power. I know he had a couple of stoppages, but I don't think anyone thought that he could do that to you. Did you not consider that or factor that in? Did he surprise you? Did you look past his power? No, I don't think so. I think he just hit me with a good shot and like I watched the fight, freaking hand was up, then hand was down, lights out.

Yeah. Just how it was and why. Just... One of those things. Yeah, it's one of those things. The fight game. Yeah, it's fight game and like obviously you work on those things after the fact, but it doesn't matter because you lost.

Right. you work on those things after the fact, but it doesn't matter because you lost. Right. So it's for me to fricking figure out why and like, cause once you tell it to the world, then what is it? Right. Excuses. Fair enough. And now it's so far removed.

Yeah, but it's still excuses. Sure, sure, fair enough, fair enough. It was really nice. I know you don't pay attention to this stuff, but Rory was one of those guys who kind of just disappeared. I don't even think he went to the Hall of Fame when you guys went in. And he just showed up again. He was at the fight in Montreal last month, which I thought was nice, because he kind of, I think, sort of maybe fell out of love with the sport. You guys will always be connected. Someone made a toy of you guys.

Well, this is from the fight. This is. You see that what a moment that was. Yeah, and the photo of you guys before that fifth round Did you actually say something to him there when when Big John? No this moment here. Are you saying anything to him? No, well not with words. Sure. What are you saying without words kind of like I'm here. Let's go bring it That's what I was thinking like I'm so like going back and like pain and in the fight I was like quit running. That's what I was thinking but then I went back and watched the fight. I'm like he's not he's just being Rory but like in my head I'm like hey let's freaking fight. Stand in the pocket. Yeah let's freaking fight and that's kind of like what I heard you say a story where like before your first fight against him you texted Dana

Saying like I want that guy. Yeah, and and and and you felt like maybe he was a bit of a runner So in your right like that he wasn't really engaging as much. No, not necessarily that so like That would have been my third fight in the UFC and I was like the undercard of that Fox card And he was like kind of next in line. So then he was in between me and where I wanted to be, so I like, I didn't really ever do this, but I was like, Hey, can I fight that guy? And he, he just fought, I mean, he might've

fought Ellen Berger and it was kind of like, he just jabbed, he jabbed. And I think the UFC was thinking Okay, let's see him Fight against Robbie who's gonna force him to fight so then I think they wanted him to be tested too So just worked out for me. Um, and and when you looked at him in that moment that yeah, what did you see? Uh Uh, really I was just looking at him and letting him know, but I wasn't really like, it was more like my energy.

It wasn't like, uh, I'm trying to see anything that he's bringing. It was like, here's my energy. Yeah. What kind of situation you love that shit, right? Like if you could live that every day. Yeah. I mean, you have to turn it off and turn it on. It's intense.

Yeah, it's just... He told me a few years back that that's his favorite moment. That fight, that moment right there. He pushed himself. Not only that, his trainers and coaches and teammates pushed him to get to that point. So like, and it was a hell of a fight. Yeah.

Strategic, fricking had strategies, fricking... It was all rolled up into one great fight. Your favorite fight? Or you don't have one? I don't really have one, but I think a lot of fans really like that fight. Sure. And your lip, man, that was gnarly. Yeah.

There's no, there's no... No, they did a good job sewing me up. Look at that right there. That was gnarly. Yeah, there's no there's no no they did a good job selling me up right there Yeah, I was insane man. Yeah, it was great because we saw you the emotion like you were so fired up We don't often see that from you. Yes. It's kind of crazy. So for like for like that fight like I'm a competitor obviously so like Leading up to that fight Rory never it, but like we were second fiddle. Yeah. That whole fricking build up to that fight and then they fricking, so I'm training like

super hard. I'm like, oh, they're putting me on the undercard of Aldo and fricking McGregor. So I'm just going, okay, I'm fricking training. He disrespected me. Just disrespected me. Like I get it. Aldo is the fricking man. Connor is the up and comer, but I'm the heavier guy. So I'm fricking training hard, like really fricking hard. And I actually had time to fricking relax after that 13 month of fights that I had, I think like five fights. So I was able to rest and put in a hard fricking camp

for him and I had something to prove. And then like two weeks before the fight, Aldo's out and they put in fricking. Mendes. Mendes. And I'm still the undercard. Were you pissed about that? Yeah, but I didn't say anything.

I wasn't pissed. I was like, okay. We'll steal the show. It is what about that? Yeah, but I didn't say anything. I wasn't pissed, I was like, okay. We'll steal the show. It is what it was, yeah, like, all right. So like, that's who he was fighting to. Okay, Robbie with a chip on his shoulder. Yeah, like, okay, like, I'm the fricking guy, was what I was thinking.

I love that. Was that a thing that happened a lot in your career where you felt disrespected and you used that as some sort of motivation or fuel? I mean it happened here and there, but when it was, I mean the training is just like, you never get tired.

Wow. You never get tired. Because you're freaking training for something that no one can freaking see other than you and it could be make believe. Right, right, right. It could be make believe. They were doing what they thought was best for the sport

and fricking the eyes, which was probably the thing. But in my eyes, I'm like, no. I remember you guys had to do some media leading up to it. Some stops you went, some stops you didn't go, like Ireland, you probably hated that, right? I didn't mind it. I was just kind of like along for the ride. And I got to like watch McGregor mess with Aldo

the whole time and put on a fricking scene and like. Did you interact with him? With who? With McGregor? Just hi, kind of thing. Like nothing, anything really just hey. That media tour gave us one of your greatest moments ever you know I'm talking about hmm the the interview that you did on some local TV network do you know this one with the one where Rory and I were

McGregor fight to happen oh that was put it up Frank I wasn't too worried about it obviously that was a big fight he was a he's a big draw but wouldn't have been good for him. How so? Um because if I hurt him I wasn't taking his neck. What were you gonna take? His soul. That was but you crushed him you never would be able to return? We'll see I'm a lot different than most people and... He found a way out. Was it chicken? And Diaz took his neck and...

was nice to him. Wow. So he's soft? You calling him out? I'm just telling it like it is and how I saw it. You know, when you said his soul, man, that thing is played over and over again. Yeah, I think the stuff that I said after was freaking better than that. Really? Why? Because it was like, kind of like said exactly what I said. Like he did just freaking take his neck and freaking like let him off the hook.

But when you say that, his soul, that's... his neck and let him off the hook. But when you say that, his soul, that's... Yeah, it's... So you're saying Diaz let him off the hook? I think so. Wow. Because he had him freaking, could have done whatever he wanted. Submitting someone is letting them off the hook?

To me it is. Really? Yeah. Why so? I mean like that's still a W right? Oh yeah. You want to hurt the guy. I want to be people.

Yeah. Be people up. Not everyone would say that. That's where I, how I fought. It's kind of funny because like I laugh because I'm like coaching guys like in the UFC I'd have zero submission attempts. Attempts? Yeah that's what I mean. I think you only have one sub win in your career. Yeah and and I work on submissions but like in a fight I'm trying to beat them up. Do you express that to your fighters?

Like, hey, submitting is... No, because what I... What in the end is beat the guy up and he's going to give you those submissions. Sure. So... You had 22 knockouts, one sub. That ratio would...

Yeah, but the guy that I subbed wasn't very good. No. Who was it? I don't know. Early in your career, right? Yeah. It was a guy who I just don't know his name. Can I even find it?

Here it is. No. Yes. Jeremy Brown, King of the Cage, Extreme Edge, September of 2005. And I wanted to submit him earlier with a guillotine and frick in my corner. It was like... What? It shook me off because I was there to put in work. Oh, wow. Yeah, so it was like, okay. It was available though, the guillotine and frick in my corner. It was like, it shook me off. Because I was there to put in work.

Oh wow. Yeah, so it was like, okay. It was available though, the guillotine. Yeah, but. Well you did this in the first round, two minutes and 48. Yeah, but. You had done it earlier? Yeah, but I heard him to knock him down and then like.

Have there been times where you were like, oh, the sub is right here, but I don't think. No, no, I don't think so. Maybe if I go back and watch the fight. But you weren't looking for it. That wasn't your mentality. Wow. I've never, I've never heard anyone sort of talk about submitting versus knockouts like that.

And in particular, the Diaz, well, like I can, sometimes like in my eyes and in my head, I was always thinking, if you submit somebody, there's tricks, right? There's little tricks like, he tricked me. But if you whoop somebody's ass. Yeah, you beat him up. Then there was really no trick to that. And you didn't believe in not tapping though, right?

No, I would tap. Yeah, you didn't think that's like, some say I won't tap, it's a sign of weakness, it's a sign. No, I would never go to sleep, that's stupid. Why? Oxygen away from your brain? Yeah. What does, what does that prove?

What are you proving, right? If you got me, you got me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You freaking got me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Did you, did you think of the mentality of like, I want to take this person's soul?

Did you think like that? No, I think it just, I never really thought about it, really, just how I fought and like, when a guy is at a certain level and you're at a certain level and you're pretty much kind of trying to put him in the situation of, at least I was trying to, do you want this as much as I want it, let's go.

And that's kind of like my mindset for a little bit. It's funny, cause you mentioned Tyson earlier, I just read a book about Mike Tyson that just came out yesterday, it's a really great book. And your mentality is exactly the stuff that he used to say. Like he used to say, like, I want to like, I want to like press this guy's skull into his brain and stuff like that.

Like very specific, but always about pain and inflicting damage, not to just go out there and point fight or anything like that. You want- Because for him, it was probably with something else. That's why he was able to punch the way he did. He punched the way he did, not because of the power, because of his God-given talents as much

as it was his intent that he trained with. He turned himself into this beast. Did you do that too? I don't know. Okay. But that's that was the whole point, like hey, why am I lifting these weights? Why am I doing these exercises? Are they to look good or why am I moving this weight? What am I trying to create? And I think that's very important when you're a fighter and why are you doing these things? Are you doing these things because the coach is telling you to do this? Are you doing this because this is actually going to help you? How does this, what you're doing, translate into beating someone's ass?

Were you coachable as a fighter? I was coachable, yeah, but it was, I needed to see where we were going with this. I wasn't doing stuff just to do it. Blindly. I needed to see and understand it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did you ever have a situation

where you didn't actually like, not hate, but like have animosity towards your opponent and didn't want to inflict damage on them? No, I mean, it's just how you, to me, it's how you play sports. Like when I played football, American football, it was, I'm gonna fricking freaking play rough I'm gonna hit you harder and I'm just gonna that's kind of like my mindset which position did you

play oh I mean I played yeah I mean what age until I was out of high school okay so you want to go further I mean obviously the money was there but like just my thing was fighting so yeah like So so the reason I asked you that previous question was because another there's you've given us so many great memories and moments But the interaction that you had with Nick after your last fight against them was a different side of you You know was caught on camera where you said something to the effect like if he needs any help To to reach out or you'd want it. It was a very empathetic side in the heat of the moment. You remember that, right? Yeah, so like this sport is, and sports in general, these are our guys. These are...

If who's not gonna look out for a fighter other than fighters. We're competing, we're athletes, but I just felt like he needed to know, I'm there if you need something. What do you think prompted you to say that in the moment, literally seconds after the fight? Just felt like the thing to do. Yeah. There were some like kind of warning signs that week.

It felt like like he was saying he didn't want to be there. He's always been like a little I've I've been at a lot of press conferences with him at frickin Elite XC and whatever. And I'm just somebody take the mic from this guy kind of thing. But like, cause he would, he would actually talk for a very long time, but it just seemed like he was, and he came back too. And that was another fight that I felt disrespected. Okay. Why was that? It was low on the card. Because he freaking, I wasn't doing so well in fighting at the time, and he comes out of retirement and he freaking chose me. Ah.

No. No. I trained very freaking hard for that fight. Okay. Could you tell from the get-go that it wasn't the old Nick? No, because I was like worried about myself. And I would say like, my corner man said he freaking hit me with some freaking hard shots. He said they were freaking like super loud. And I'm like, yeah, but it wasn't, but it was, I've always focused on myself, but I was just on a mission

to let whoever freaking decided to put him up against me, let them know that that wasn't a freaking good idea. Did he take you up on the offer? Did he reach out to you? Did you ever speak to him? Uh, no, no. No. No. I'm not surprised by that. Yeah, I mean, he's a, he kind of operates the way he operates and that's why a lot of people

really, really like him and he is adored. But obviously I think he has a lot of people that want to help him and whatever he's going through hopefully he's gonna be alright. Did you think about life after fighting and and what the damage might do to you like did you ever think of any of that stuff? No that's it's just one of those things where I'm focusing on how to be better at fighting and and but that being said to be better at fighting. And, and, but that being said, what's better at fighting mean? That means nutrition, that means health.

So the kind of things that I was doing wasn't just fricking hurting people as fricking to make myself healthy. Like they, a lot of these fighters aren't stupid. They're not just fricking there, like just fighting and going home. They're not just freaking they're like just fighting and going home They're freaking taking care of themselves doing the right things for their brains Freaking resting if they're smart if they're smart that has evolved over time though, like probably in the early 2000s

I think sports in general have always been evolving, but I think people have been doing this for a long time they probably just didn't get as much PR about it. The reason I ask that is, lately there's been a lot of concern regarding BJ Penn. Have you seen anything regarding him? And there's worry about brain damage and things like that. So this is a very real thing.

Yeah, it's a real thing, but it's, BJ is awesome, but what are you doing outside of fighting and outside of your training camps? Who are you? Like, how are you taking care of yourself? And I think those things are very important in life and in health. It's like, how are you, and you need to be

conscious of taking care of yourself year round, not just six weeks before camp, eight weeks before camp. It's a life thing. It's a, you only have one body. Did you have like cheat meals and stuff like that or were you very strict? Yeah, I had cheat meals.

Okay. But I mean, I would say even now, like I'm dieting, I eat a lot less than, but I'm, I eat like twice a day. I try to get as much protein as I can, but it's hard to hit the numbers that I want and get my macros. But I don't try to spend too much time on that

because that would take away from the fun of working out really if I was too, if I dove too deep into those things and I would focus on it wouldn't be as fun for me. Do you miss competing? Like do you ever think about grappling or just doing something where it's like mano y mano, I'm preparing for a date? I mean I could do that but I'm just not really. I like lifting weights and freaking hitting the bag and keeping myself healthy.

Do you spar? No I don't spar. Okay. I mean I could but like if somebody needed a lefty and like maybe. Okay. But I would need good training partners and guys who like, I don't need them but I would like them.

Sure, sure, sure. And what am I gonna learn from it? And how much are they gonna receive from what I'm giving to them type of situation? So it's like a give and take when you're working with guys. Are there any fighters in the UFC that you really respect and enjoy watching right now? I know you say you don't watch a lot.

I don't really watch fighters that too much. But I mean, if I go to a fight, I'm like, okay. Or if I see something like, I'm like, okay, this guy's, like there's this guy at our gym, like a year and a half ago. And I was like walking through, I'm like, oh, he's here. And he was hitting the pads with this coach. I'm like, hmm, looks good. Then I'm like, okay. Then I watch one of his fights and I'm like,

okay, there it is. I'm like, just to see how it translated to, and then I was okay. Like, okay, I get it. And then you move on like a quick, like, because it doesn't take that much to like see guys and like, oh, okay, like I see what I see why you're good. and like, it's fun, but I try not to spend too much time on, unless I have to, to watch a certain guy. I'll let you go in a second, but I'm just curious, do you prefer the old UFC, where it was a little less, you know, there's a lot of wrestlers, there's a lot of, it's very much a sport now, right?

Where there's guys who have grown up as MMA fighters, as opposed to strikers. Specialists. Yeah. Which version did you like better, or do you like better? guys who have grown up as MMA fighters as opposed to strikers. Specialists. Yeah. Which version did you like better? Or do you like better? I mean it's constantly evolving. It's going to switch again.

But I think... What do you mean by switch again? Because the sport's constantly evolving. Okay. I mean you got certain guys, everyone's good at everything now. Everyone's been training everything. But then you're gonna have specialists and the specialists will take over for a little bit and then somebody is gonna counteract that. It's just how sports are. You're not gonna stay at the top doing the same stuff

over and over again. It's evolving and where's it going to next and how you can stay ahead of that. Okay, so your favorite, you don't have a favorite era. I mean, I really liked watching like the pride days where it was like different weight class and there's guys going at it and it, and it was rough. It was like. Action packed. Yeah.

Yes. Head stomps, head or knees to the head of a downed opponent. Soccer kicks. Yeah. It was rough and it was, oh, you're stalling. Yellow card, we're taking 20. Let's fricking put on a show. And it was, and that's what they did.

And I think it was, it was a different age and obviously the sports evolving, but they put on a lot of really good cards with. Yeah. Mirko and those guys. Oh yeah. And they're like, oh, I'm going to go to the I think it was, it was a different age and obviously the sports evolving, but they put on a lot of really good cards with. Yeah. Mirko and those guys. Oh yeah. Vanderlei, Fedor.

They built what the UFC is today. Like the guys before me even built who I am and now it's evolving and. Did you get nervous before fights? Did you get anxious? Uh... At the...no, because it was like all the work's done, but when I was at my best I was excited. Okay. Excited. I was excited because I was going to freaking show off. That word is a great word because Nick always used to get mad if someone would ask him if he was excited He got really mad at me and then I would see it another interviews like why do you think I'd be excited?

I'm gonna you know, the key used to look at it a little bit differently So that word took me back to that time. Yeah, I was excited. I'm like, okay my and my body felt good If I was excited, I was like, oh my body feels good like this guy's in trouble Incredible you're the man Robbie. Thank you so much If I was excited, I was like, oh, my body feels good. Like this guy's in trouble. Incredible. You're the man, Robbie. Thank you so much. Thanks for all the great fights, the memories, and thanks for coming in here.

This wasn't so bad. No, it was easy. Did you dread this trip to the dentist? No, no. Colonoscopy or something? No. All good, it was easy. I appreciate it.

Are you going to the fight on Saturday? No, I gotta travel home. Oh, wow, wow. I thought that's why you're here. I was gonna go, but I have stuff came up. Yeah, I'm busy, yep, just for you. Ah, wow, to travel home. Oh wow. I thought that's why you're here. I was gonna go but I am Yeah, I'm busy. Yep, just for you. Oh, what an honor. Good luck. Will you be at the Hall of Fame? Yeah, it will be speed. Oh, yeah working on it. You're writing it. Oh I gotta wring out and figure it out. Who's inductive you?

Dave Dave Martin your manager exactly been by your side for so many years. Yeah. Yeah, love it. Yeah Congratulations. Thank you so much. We're gonna take a quick break. Say goodbye to Robbie. We'll be back to wrap up the show. Do not go anywhere. All right, back on the program. That was Elena Black, formerly known as Cora Jade, but that in studio over there was freaking Robbie Lawler.

How great was that? I mean, I said it at the beginning. I never thought that Robbie didn't like the media or didn't like me or didn't like talk. But I just felt like he just wanted to get through all that. So get me to the fight, get me to the fight. As unique a character in that regard, but I mean, they don't come more entertaining than him. And that was a real treat.

To get to sit down with him for about an hour and to get a window into his soul. Like the stuff that he said about, what a left turn that was regarding the infamous interview there. Like he actually thinks that submitting someone is like letting them off the hook. I think that might have been the best part.

And then me and Rick looked at each other and were like, wonder how many subs he has? One 20 years ago, 22 knockouts. And what about the fact that, how many UFC fights he's had? None, no attempts. Not a single attempt. I think he's had 25 UFC fights too.

Not a single attempt. That is amazing. He sometimes will say these things and then he'll like look at you and pause and you're like, you're gonna eat me right now. Like you're gonna bite my head off. Sort of like that, you know, I, what do you say? I wanna take his soul or I would have taken his soul.

And then he just stops there and he looks at you, golly. On WSB TV in Atlanta. Is that what it is? And you're like, ah, this tiny little outlet. I was like, come on, Channel 2 action news, baby. Bro, what about that guy? He had no idea what to do. God bless him.

But you're sitting there with Robbie Lawler, and he's giving you these short answers. You have to be ready to come back, and he says something like that on local TV. You know? He says something like that on, what is it, like the 6 p.m. news or maybe the 11. That probably is what it was, yeah. My parents were actually probably watching that, and they had no idea. He says that on like, you know, what is it? Like the 6 PM news or maybe the 11. That probably is what it was. Yeah. My parents were actually probably watching

that and they had no idea. Who's this nice young man, you know? Uh, gosh, that was, uh, that was fun. I really enjoyed that. I really appreciate him coming by. That was a lot of fun. Um, all right, let's, um, let's finish up a couple more questions and then go to the super chats and then we'll call it a day.

Roberto asks, which interview was the weirdest between either Buckley or Lewis? I'd say the Buckley one because he came with like very aggressive energy and I wasn't quite sure why. Like Buckley and Jamal Hill both came at me and like one day we were cool and one day we weren't. And I didn't quite understand what had happened. Louis was pretty, you know, par for the course. I just wasn't really in the mood these days. TJ, Hey Ariel, I just got done booking my honeymoon to Cancun for this July after much back and forth with the Mrs. on which resort to go to

after much TikTok reviews, price checks, perfect beach, food, et cetera, very stressful. My question is for the whole crew, especially the married members, what advice would you give to someone for their wedding day and honeymoon? Do's, don'ts, shoulds, and shouldn'ts.

P.S. is the Sean Brady match between G.C., D.O.A. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, it's done. Yeah. We've moved on. I've taken inspiration from Tom Aspinall. We've moved on. Move on. I would say, and I know this is cliche to a degree,

enjoy the moment. There's only one person other than yourself that you need to worry about, meaning what they think, and that's your Mrs. need to worry about, meaning what they think, and that's your missus. One thing that I learned from my experience was, so I learned something and I'm proud of the fact that I reacted, which was, I've said this before on the show,

I didn't enjoy being engaged. Being engaged was very, very stressful, because for the first time you have to like bring these two families together and you have to make big decisions and you have to, and there's, you know, invitations involved and there's money involved and there's locations and there's flowers and there's nonsense, nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. I didn't enjoy any of that. But I didn't enjoy it. I disliked it so much that when I got to the day, I said, I need to get rid of all of this.

I need to stop thinking about the road here and enjoy this as much as possible. And I remember having the best time because I just, and it's actually one of the very few times in my life where I just said, F it. I'm just gonna have the best time and not care about anyone, not care about anyone's thoughts, feelings, except for my own and my wife's. That's it.

I'm not going to care about anything other than that. And I've actually not been good at doing that. Like I was the type of basketball player I would miss three shots. It would kill me for the rest of the game. Like I would, I would, you know there's some players who say like, oh you miss it, you're on to the next. Or fighters, athletes, I was not one of those persons, people, I'm not one of those people in life. But on that day, I remember telling myself I'm not going,

because it was like, it wasn't like a rocky road, but it was just annoying shit, you know, like just annoying decisions. I mean I'm dealing with some of it now, planning this bar mitzvah for my son, just annoying shit, you know? Like just annoying decisions. I mean, I'm dealing with some of it now, planning this bar mitzvah for my son, which are bringing back some memories, but I'm obviously a lot older and wiser, and it's just us. It's not like we have to get anyone's perspective or advice or two cents, but you know, it can be a stressful ride.

Don't lose sight of the end goal. Don't lose sight of why you're doing this. Don't lose sight of what got goal. Don't lose sight of why you're doing this. Don't lose sight of what got you here. And just have fun. Enjoy it. Don't care about anyone else. And don't sweat the small stuff.

You know, there's certain things that may seem important that no one pays attention to. And ultimately, I came to this realization recently with the Bar Mitzvah stuff. It's like, for most people, the event, for most people, it's actually an inconvenience. For most people, they're like, oh, we gotta go to this thing. I'd rather be on a beach. I'd rather be doing this.

I'd rather be going for dinner. And so, just do it for your circle. Just do it for the people that truly matter in your life. I'm sure there's some people out there listening to this being like, this is awful advice. But that's, I mean, like, sometimes you're invited just do it for your circle. Just do it for the people that truly matter in your life. I'm sure there's some people out there listening to this being like, this is awful advice. But that's, I mean, like, sometimes you're invited

to something and it's a bit of a, you know, it's a bit of a thing. It's like, if you had maybe like a colleague who like incessantly invited you to their, you know, birthday parties, their movies and things like that. Like outings. And you're like, eh. Birthday month. Birthday month.

Birthday month. Damn straight. The birthday celebrations have actually now spanned two months. We're going to the movie party tomorrow. Yeah, no, I know. Oh, did you wanna go? It's gone from May to June.

Well, it's like the movie thing, he's assuming we've seen all the other John Wicks as well. I haven't even seen all the John Wicks. That's four movies all over two hours. We're talking about 10 hours of commitment just to get to the ballerina. Have you watched it all? Yeah, I have seen all the John Wicks, so it works out.

That's awesome. Wait, did you watch it in advance? No, I had already seen it. All right, so you're good. I would have actually had to watch all 10 hours. Yeah, I'm gonna have to watch a YouTube recap, like, you know, kind of get me caught up. It's been a minute since-

When was the first one? Oh, the first one was like what, 2014 or something? It's been a minute since the first one. Too long between. Salty Catfish, hello, Ariel and crew, in honor of it being sugar fight week, ooh, potentially a pound for pound for tomorrow. What are some of your guys' favorite sweets or desserts?

I'm a big Baklava fan myself. That might be my favorite. No joke. Love Baklava. No? Cake. Just straight up cake. Like tres leches, ice cream, cookies.

Tiramisu? Tiramisu. I have a sweet tooth. I'll crush any of this. I do too. Last week when we went out for, I think it was the first leg of Frank's birthday tour. That was the third outing.

Okay. We all had alfagato except for you. Yeah, I'm not a big espresso. I mean it was like 9 p.m. That's my first alfagato. I was like I don't need espresso. Amazing, right? Yeah, that's why I'm like, is that a good baseline

or should I expect better? So the salted caramel, the ice cream with salted caramel, usually I thought it should always be vanilla, because it's sort of vanilla, so it's not too overpowering to where it doesn't change the taste of the coffee. It was great, but my go-to would be vanilla. So I should clear the queue, like this is not the baseline to compare it to.

It was pretty damn amazing though. It was gelato as well, right? Yeah, yeah, it has to be gelato. Do love affogato though. So good. I got the cookies and cream, it has to be gelato. Do love avocado though. So good. I got the cookies and cream, it was great. Cookies and cream, not bad. I mean, Frankie with the avocado, the cake.

Yeah, you got it. Cone, yeah. I mean, there's no way he slept well that night. We're having more cake for Frank's birthday on Saturday, I've heard. Yeah, a pasta cake. We're having lasagna. No, we're having a pasta cake

and he's requested an actual cake. This is the crazy thing. He has requested these things. Did he? Months ago.. This is the crazy thing. He has requested these things. Did he? Request is a loose word. I would say demand. Did he demand you make lasagna for him? It was like, hey man, I really like lasagna.

It'd be nice to have it around my birthday. Wow. Around his birthday. It will have been eight days since his birthday by the time we're eating this lasagna. Frank? When you're good, you're good. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Do you want to stop by and grab a piece? No. And I remember one time, Frankie was like, yeah, Connor's one of those guys that gets way too into his birthday. Wow!

No, no, no. Because I was like, does everyone want to go to his dinner? Since we're having this conversation, one time, Connor was planning something for his birthday and he's like, look, I'm not one of those people that goes crazy about their birthday. I'm like, fair enough, you're not gonna wear a crown or a sash or whatever. He's like, but be at the Long Island Road at this time. They were going to the rooftop at this time and they were going to the bar at this time. I was like.

We went to a UFC event. Yeah. What'd you want me to do? Oh, this was Long Island, right? Yeah, this is when we went to the UFC event. It was great. It was good fun. Miguel from Mexico, hello Ariel.

Maybe a dumb question, but it popped into my head last week and wanted to ask you anyways, how come you don't have an accent like GSP if you grew up speaking French? Well, GSP is Francophone, I'm Anglophone. Yes, my first language, my mother tongue, if you will, was French, but because of everyone I grew up with, because of the school that I went to,

it was predominantly Anglophone. And so he grew up speaking French like well into his teens. It became my secondary language. I don't even have, like I go back home now and I speak to my friends, they have an accent. They have like a Montreal English accent. I don't even have that anymore. At least I don't think.

When I got to Syracuse, they told me about a few words that I was, I guess, saying in a very strong Canadian accent like Against they they would always make me write a G en st as opposed to I a I nst to Reprogram my brain organization organization things like that But those are small things But yeah, we didn't you know once once I learned English and then all my friends were Anglophone, I kind of got rid of all of that.

Vicky, sup, ArielBITB, one question, one guest request, and one comment. Congrats on your role with CBC covering the Olympics. I learned when I moved to Canada that the Olympics means Winter Olympics as opposed to Summer Olympics as the Canadian, which games mean more to you? I don't know if that's accurate. I mean, obviously Canada is a little bit better in the winter Olympics, but traditionally Olympics is summer and then winter Olympics is winter.

But this is a big deal and yeah, and I can't wait. It's going to be great. It's a massive, massive honor. And as I think I said before or after the last experience, like if this could be a thing until I'm 70 something, like it's a huge deal for a journalist a reporter a broadcaster to be a part of the Olympic circuit if you will obviously I don't work for CBC full-time but hey every couple years you you call upon me to cover the games for

the country is a big freaking deal for me. So thank you and I'm very excited. Guest request, Fion Davis, Welsh grappling phenom with a great quirky personality. Someone actually pitched her to us recently. Yeah, her manager is a solid dude who does pitch us. She submitted Mackenzie Dern, CGI last year, just had a win over Adele Fornerino, another grappling powerhouse. Hey, Welsh with a quirky personality seems

right up my alley. So we will work on that. And then she says, comment, Vicki, I'm assuming she's a woman, comment, we are doing a software update at work and I've lost track of the times I've used the phrase working through the kinks. Connor says, I think I cracked the code on what's happening with Jones and Aspinall. We are not considering Pereira when speculating. Pereira versus Aspinall makes UFC happy because it's a bigger fight than Aspinall versus Gan. No. Isn't this the same thing from yesterday? Somebody said the same thing. Maybe the same guy, but I don't think he factored. You're right. Jeremy, hi Ariel. Why don't you publish all interviews Maybe the same guy, but I don't think he factors. You're right. Jeremy, hi Ariel. Why don't you publish all interviews

as separate YouTube videos, but usually two to three per show? I don't know. All this bullshit, algorithm this, this, that. You don't want to flood the channel. So we've decided that we're going to do like two to three, depending on the day. I don't know.

I mean, I don't- It's all there, by the way. It's all there, yes. It's in this live show. There's a live thing, you go and there's chapters. I don't understand why people care about that sort of thing. I do, but at the same time, it is available to you. Chapters are how it's posted.

Well, no, I'm saying you can easily find it. If it's not broken out, you can just go to the clip and just go to the chapter, right? Yeah, you can click the timestamp right there. Yeah, timestamp. go to the clip and just go to the chapter, right? Yeah, you can click the timestamp right there. Timestamp, is that the same thing? Timestamp, yeah. Yeah, whatever. And yes, I'm still asking,

what's going on with Brian Ortega and why hasn't he not been on the show? I don't know. I don't think Brian loves me. You know, there's some guys where you just kind of, or maybe I'm wrong, but I don't know. There hasn't been a real reason to have him on. Does he have a fight coming up?

But I've always, I've always enjoyed him. He's great. We've had some great chats, actually. So maybe I'm wrong about that. He just hasn't had a fight. I'm not sure who reps him these days. I think it's Tiki. If you want him, we can ask him to come on.

Slava, I haven't missed an episode since you went back to Vox and I feel like I have enough to guess the order of the crews political orientation. Oh, this is fun. I love this. Oh, this will be great. From most left to right. Okay.

Sure. It goes Frank, New York, Rick, GC, Ariel. Canna says Pizzi becauseizzi, because I don't know Scottish slash Australian politics. Am I right? Thanks for the great content. I mean, I don't know. Do you think I'm, also you're not including

Jordan and Andy in this, but I guess they don't weigh in as much. You're so far left. They're so far, yes. Bleeding hearts, we call them. Frank, you be the judge. I think, yeah, look, I'm probably the most left out of all of us, and then I would say

that Jordan and Andy are right by me. Well, what about the rest of the? Yeah, you guys are all on the right side. Yeah, we're on the right side of history, baby. Opposite track. It makes for interesting birthday dinners. It sounds, that sounds like, what is it, fine people on both sides?

Yeah, yeah, great people on both sides, as one said, yes. Oh dear. You know what, as fate would have it, a lot of questions for P.T., so I'm skipping over some of these. This is on fire, man. The crack has been on fire.

Shout out to the crack heads. Jordan asks, not on air Jordan, what are your favorite UFC fighter name mispronunciations by Uncle Chael? PS, Ariel, every time you say what else, I feel like I can run through a big wall. Thank you. Well, what is there? Pierre. Bla-Hall. Bla-Hall. Can you say what else I feel like I could run through a big wall. Thank you Well, what is there? Um, Piera blah blah blah

Yeah, we're Islam Makalchev. Yes. Oh, yes drawing the L in makashev. There's no L anywhere There's a marab Dishali-vili or something. Yeah. He cannot say Valentina's last name. He always would call her the bullet. Remember that Jordan? He would always just call her the bullet. There's honestly too many great words for a member.

For me, Maklachev is the best one. I love Maklachev. It's like he's just like, he reads it and he's like, close enough. Just getting close enough there. Now, do you think it's a bit, do you think he could dedicate himself to learning it but has decided he's just like, I don't care?

Not sure, not sure. There were like pre-show meetings where- I think it's a bit. Where corporate Jake would be like, this is how you say it, he'd be like, yeah, I'll just go by the first name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bullet was one that I would give him a lot of shit for,

because like she's not casually known as the Bullet. No. You know what I mean? She's always Valentina. Yeah. Valentina or Shevchenko, it's not that tough. the Bullet. No. You know what I mean? She's always Valentina. Yeah. Valentina or Shevchenko, it's not that tough. Yeah. Last one, FTMMA.

Ariel, and this perhaps is for Frank, how are adverts decided for the pod? I obviously don't have a problem with them. The boys need to get paid. But I'm curious as to why I'm being reminded three to four times during the show to go book an appointment with a midwife within 10 weeks of getting pregnant. I'm UK based and usually listen via Apple podcasts. I'll handle that one. Thank you.

Please remember to go book an appointment with a midwife. Yes. Honestly, the way that it works these days, their ads are dynamic. So based off of the inventory of an entire organization, it'll determine what ad you hear and how often you hear it. So sometimes it could be, as you've seen, even even with ESPN it could be back-to-back like you're hearing the same ad placement is done kind of algorithmically

like we have a time that we try to get at least four in and the inventory decides the rest okay there it is so Frank is not trying to tell you like specifically about the midwife stuff like it is it is. So Frank is not trying to tell you specifically about the Midwife stuff, it is being dynamically inserted. And do you think it's based on your location? Yes, absolutely. Okay, interesting. And if the Midwife Free ads are not getting enough love on other podcasts, they might ramp it up for our podcast.

Got it, all right, well there you have it. Thank you very much to everyone who sent in questions at holland.substack.com is the spot at least for now do we have any super chats? What the hell is that supposed to mean? We do. Matt Borgensen, hey Ariel and team thoughts on this weekend's boxing weekend it looks mighty interesting Kishon versus De Los Santos seems to be a scary one. Yeah, I don't know about scary one. I think Kishan wins. I think he wins big.

I'm obviously a big fan of his. I love the guy. I think he's a great fighter. He's fun. He's exciting. He's young. I think his interviews are great. He doesn't hold back.

He tells it like it is. And he wants all the smoke. Plus he's a big freaking deal. Kudos to top rank. Like, this is what you should do. You've got a star, take him home. Get him in there with Michael Vick, local legend. Get him in there with AI.

Put him in front of the people. He comes across as a bigger star. It's not that hard. This is stuff that like PFL doesn't get when they do these fights, you know Universal Studios get them in front of people get them in front of their people Anyway, the brothers are on there Abdullah Mason is one of the the brightest young talents out there. We had a 25 under 25 List that came out. When was that in January or something? He was he was prominently featured. So There's that on Saturday on ESPN there I also hate, I mean it's coming

to an end, but I hate when they do the ESPN top ranked cards at the same time as a pay-per-view, as an ESPN pay-per-view. Hate that. Wardley fighting at home, 30,000 or so people expected against Justice Huni. That should be a great fight in the heavyweight division. And then anytime Jio Pataya fights, it's uh, it's Must See TV in my opinion. He was on my popcorn list as well. So yeah, another great weekend. Another great weekend. Three, uh, three different relatively big events. Oh, Nakatani's fighting too? Is that on Sunday?

Maybe Monday? Something like that. No, it's a great weekend. What else? And lastly, gayp12, we all know the famous beef fighters have with Ariel, but has any of the fighters or promoters had beef with Rick or any of the other boys in the back? Yeah, Jorge called us out recently.

Oh, yeah. Chael didn't like me asking him if he could count to five. Juliana and Pizzi. Juliana, Pizzi, yes. Well, that's not me. I would never. Queen Juliana, I would never disrespect. What else?

Not really. I feel like I've come off pretty scott-free. Yeah. Yeah, I think just, I feel like Jorge is really the only one that's like called us out. I don't think Casey was too happy with me betting against him. Oh My god, I forgot about that. Yeah, I mean, yeah, what was the same thing? Jasmine but Jasmine's one of the that was weird that you picked against an actual colleague Yeah, no, I didn't know him that well. Oh, yeah, he Casey Lydon. I think you make Casey O'Neill. No, yeah. Yeah

Oh, yeah, I remember that Leiden? I thought you meant Casey O'Neal. No. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, I remember that. You bet me 10 dollars. This is literally how it went down. Connor was like, I'm gonna pick Casey, will you pick against him? I'm like, sure. He's like, great. Hand me this 10 dollars, I'm stapling it to the wall.

I'm like, wait, what just happened? I actually think they went the exact opposite. You were like, yo man, Casey's gonna get his ass kicked this weekend. And I was like, I bet he won't, I'll bet you 10 dollars he wins. And you were like, yo man, Casey's gonna get his ass kicked this weekend. And I was like, I bet he won't, I'll bet you $10 he wins. And you were like, make it 20. And I'm gonna staple it on your wall to show you.

And he came out like a beeb and just ragged. It was actually Casey's honorary corner. Only one fight for Casey, right? Yeah, just the one. We only needed the one. How can you dominate like that? Undefeated. I think I watched that on Instagram Live, right?

Yes. I think someone was, who was it? Somebody was streaming it. Was it Esther? Someone. Undefeated. I think I watched that on Instagram Live, right? Yes. I think someone was, who was it? Somebody was streaming it. Was it Esther? Someone was. It was Esther, I think, yeah. It was great. It was fantastic.

Oh, what about this Dustin Poirier gum shield here? Yeah, pretty nice stuff, right? Oh snap, I didn't see it. Oh, do we have that? I see it in the thing. No, we don't have it. Are you just showing it to me? Yeah, you know.

Just for us? You're dropping things in. Oh, the last dance? Doesn't have the same level as I. With the diamonds? Can we show that or is it too late? Ah, you know. I mean, it's all right.

You can find it. What? X.com search Dustin Poirier gumshielder from right up. PFL major announcement? Yeah, the $25 tickets. Fan friendly tickets. Fan first. We do have that. Okay, we do have this. Okay, great, great. I ticket friendly tickets fan first okay we do

have this okay great great I love this fan first by the way whoever that guy is incredible unbelievable it's done but whoever whoever is Don Davis it's like Davis here there is a word. There's a word that he says that really sounds like him. Everything he says. The inflection. It's perfect. Yeah.

It's pitch perfect. Great movie, by the way. One of my favorites. Shout out to Steyer Astin. Even Don himself recognized the impression and said it was fantastic. By the way, if you wanna leave a voicemail, 415 SUPBITB.

And we're gonna listen to a few tomorrow, obviously. But we do it every week. Yep, there it is. Probably the highlight of my week here at Uncrowned. It's become a little thing. It has definitely become a thing. Whose idea was that? That was a great idea.

I think it was GC. Thought it came from Pablo Torre? Collective unconscious. This is so crazy. No, it actually was a real group collective. James Toonum? Because, I, remember I called in and you were like,

this feels like an old school phone call on a sports talk radio show. And then I was listening, I think, to Pablo and they had calls and I think like all that together Turned into this yeah parallel thinking we would take live calls, but no dump button Yeah, audience came that's too rough. Honestly. I mean have you guys gone troll messages? Yes. Oh you have oh yes Oh, okay, make sure please if you're listening don't do it stop it bad ones like really bad ones This is something that I'm firing them to do it if my eyes and roll further back into my head. I'd see behind me Okay, all right well my bad. I was listening to it being like wow everyone's messages are just so nice and yeah

No, I feel they're screen. Okay. No all right my favorite is when someone calls like four times in a row Oh, I think they do they ask about that get to their flow, and then they're like oh shit I should have said this so they call oh my god, and they can't delete it. They can't know yeah There's a lot of like ah shit I botched it and then they call back and they're like and they're doing it again, and then there was one time God love them some some Lovely gentleman called back like four times in a row and then they'll on the last one was just like ah fuck it I'll just leave. Oh, that's amazing. I love seeing the Some lovely gentleman called back like four times in a row and then on the last one was just like, ah, fuck it, I'll just leave.

Oh, that's amazing. I love seeing the people from the different parts of the world call in. The best. European, Australian. What's been the most remote place? Getting it, we've gotten a few from Perth, which is just-

Australia is definitely the furthest. Insanely far. Amsterdam, like a dude called in from Amsterdam the morning after RDR beat Bo Nicol and was like, yep, just going on my morning stroll, just watched our hometown hero, RDR. We've had two engagements on the show, on the voicemail. Two engagements on the same show.

And we're calling for somebody to get married when we're in Vegas. Let us be at your wedding. Fishy it. We don't have to fishy it. We'll be in your wedding. We don't have to officiate. We'll just hang out. At the Little White Chapel, yeah. You can have the Uncrowned team at your wedding.

Just look at the photos. That'd be incredible. What more would your wife want? I just can't imagine anything more. Will you attend that one, Ariel? I'd go to that one. We've got rave reviews from girlfriends and wives. Yeah, no, they love you guys.

Oh yeah, love us. Love is a strong word. All right, well thank you very much everyone for the questions, for the super chats, for everything. Tomorrow, boys in the back, real deep dive into 316, pound for pound. Yay, nay? jerseys jerseys because the New Jersey yeah I'm right when you say jerseys do you mean like any sports jersey yeah there was another one you guys were talking about was it was a

Bible verses because that an option because the 316 my guys who said that I thought that's a solid one. Oh. I think- That's actually hilarious. Yeah. Corinthians 11, 2, please? What's the one on-

John, I was a child. 413. Thought it was John Lippius. What's the one on John's chest? John 316. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Philippians.

Oh, Philippians 316. Listen. 316. Look, all the good ones are in Revelation, let's be honest. Yeah, I agree. You keep my music, Frank. Usually when I'm like, all right, you know. Not today.

Not today, Frankie. Anything else, Frank? No, I think you kind of nailed it all. Yeah. So what have we got? We got Boys in the Back on Thursday, then we got The Crack on Friday. That will be, what will that be? That will be a few hours after the official weigh-ins. So I mean the weigh-ins are going to be very interesting.

Kayla, massive story. To the best of my knowledge, honestly I haven't checked in, but I haven't heard of any backups. There's got to be a backup. Does there? I feel like you just got to be a backup. Does there? I feel like you just got to rebook the fight if something goes wrong. You think so? Yeah. There's two fights at 135.

One happening this weekend and the winner facing Amanda Nunes. Oh yeah. Rebook it. Oh yeah. No feelings. Amanda Nunes. Post show after 316 right? Yeah well watch party, post show, all that stuff.

Do you think Amanda Nunes is going to be at the fight? Yes. She's gotta be there. Yeah, with how adamant she's been that she will be returning, I think. Sitting in the front row. Step in the cage. Yeah. Going like this.

No, she's gonna step in the cage. I think the smart move would be to step in the cage. Right after. Yep. Get a face-off. They don't do it that often these days. Was the last time DDP and Izzy, which didn't really go off very well.

Might've been Suga, Marab. Oh yeah. With the jacket. Memorable. By the way. That was Aljo. That was Aljo. Wasn't it?

Oh yes, because Marab was just there. Yeah, Marab was there. That was at Jersey though. It was after the Cejudo fight, but it was for Aljo. Marab happened to be there as well. Yeah, what a time. Rick City.

Yeah, shout out. Thank you to everyone, Robbie Lawler, Kishon Davis, Macy Barber, thanks to you, them, back on Thursday, same time, on the CZP Center right here.