The Ariel Helwani Show - Shavkat Rakhmonov, Arman Tsarukyan returns!, Carlos Prates, Renato Moicano, Devin Haney, Ben Whittaker, more

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Ariel Helwani begins the show by speaking to UFC welterweight contender Shavkat Rakhmonov, who discusses the difficulty of returning from a knee injury that required surgery, going into the Ian Machado Garry bout injured, being cleared to return early next year, being willing to fight again to prove he’s the No. 1 contender, believing he’s the hardest matchup for Islam Makhachev, and more (06:24).Devin Haney returns, talking about his big win over Brian Norman Jr., shutting up his critics, Eddie Hearn’s comments after the fight, feeling Conor Benn is not on his level, being willing to fight anybody, and more (37:13).Ben Whittaker reflects on his win over Liam Cameron in April, before previewing his fight against Benjamin Gavazi and discussing his decision to sign with Matchroom, wanting to fight in America in 2026, his prediction for a potential fight between Dmitry Bivol and David Benavidez, Jake Paul choosing to fight Anthony Joshua, and more (1:03:01).Carlos Prates is next, detailing his experience in New York for UFC 322, what he was thinking during the viral photo of Leon Edwards on his back, his bow and arrow celebration aimed at Alex Pereira, his reaction to the main event between Islam Makhachev and Jack Della Maddalena, his desire to fight for the title next, his argument for Kamaru Usman as the welterweight GOAT, and more (1:28:12).Renato Moicano returns, talking about his new Portuguese-language YouTube channel, Dan Hooker’s callout, why he believes UFC will not make the Hooker fight, his reaction to Benoit Saint Denis’ win against Beneil Dariush and his recent resurgence, the price of Bitcoin dropping, and more (2:12:30).Arman Tsarukyan stops by after yesterday’s abrupt ending, quickly discussing the run-in between Khamzat Chimaev and Ian Machado Garry, responding to Ilia Topuria omitting Tsarukyan from a list of potential opponents, and more (2:34:21).Ariel is joined by The Boys in the Back and Petesy Carroll to react to Jon Jones’ visit to Chechnya, including interactions with Khamzat Chimaev and Ramzan Kadyrov, before wrapping up with your Super Chats (2:42:03).

Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eriot-A-R-I-D-Y show. Back in your life on this Tuesday, November 25, 2000. And 25, hello again, everyone. I sure hope you're doing well, 11, 25, 25. It's a great day to be alive. That rhymes. I didn't plan on doing that, but we're in a great mood around these parts. Look at this set.

Look at it. Look at it. Thanksgiving around these parts. Look at it. It's beautiful. What a time. What a time. Who's unhappy during Thanksgiving week?

And I know, I know it's just something that's celebrated here in the United States, but we're trying to exude that happiness, that appreciation, that gratefulness onto the rest of the world. And yesterday was a great day, and we're very thankful for yesterday's program. We were joined by the likes of Ian Machado Garry, Tyrone Woodley, and Akisa Bedarian. We were joined by Armat Surukin, but I still feel, I have to say, I still feel a void and emptiness in my heart because I hate not being able to say goodbye to someone. I hate having that sort of lingering, like the line, it just didn't continue. And it didn't end.

There's no conclusion. So, like, even if you watch the breakout on YouTube, like, there's no end. It's a little, like, incomplete is the word that I'm looking for. So it's still in my heart, a void. But other than that, I thought it was a great day. We accomplished a lot. We covered a lot. And, you know, some might say it was a stack day.

and then some might say today is a super-stack day, a super-duper-stack day. Today is an all-time great day. Five incredible guests from the world of combat sports. Back into the program, we're going to be joined by the great Henato Mani Moikano. His name has come up in the post-UFC Qatar discussion, in particular from one Dan Hooker, who said when speaking to the MacLif's Oscar Willis, we both suck. So we might as well fight each other next. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the sentiment.

Want to check in with Money Moikano, see how he's doing, see what he thinks of that, see what he thought of the fight, see what he thought of the event. He's killing it on YouTube these days. He might be a little bit down because I do believe Bichcoin is a little bit down as well. So I think that his mood fluctuates with how the, it's down, right, the Bichcoin? I think it's down. I saw a graphic. Yes, there it is.

I believe that means it's down, right? I believe that's what it means. There's that little blip at the end, like it was going back on. Okay, all right. Prior to that, we're going to be joined by the nightmare Carlos Prachas, who has that incredible win

over Leon Edwards, Madison Square Garden a couple weekends ago, very much in the mix at 170. Is Michael Morales next for him? Is a title shot next for him? Is Shafkat Rahmanov next for him? Is Kamar Usman next for him? from him. There's a log jam at 170. Good problem to have. Always great to check in with him. I think he

has fully recovered from his celebrations in New York. Prior to that, we're going to be joined by the great Ben Whitaker, one of the most exciting boxers in the world today. He finally makes his matchroom promotional debut this Saturday in Birmingham, on his zone. He hasn't fought since April. Remember, he had the two fights back-to-back with Liam Cameron. He was supposed to smoke Liam Cameron. He was supposed to get right through him, and it didn't go that way in re-ed, and so they ran it back, and then he won, and then he became a free agent, and he left Boxer, Boxer, by the way, having their first BBC event this weekend. But anyway, Ben Whitaker, probably the biggest name competing on a pretty quiet weekend in combat sports, certainly here

stateside. We've talked to him before, haven't talked to him in a while, looking forward to checking in with him. Always look forward to our chats with Devin Haney. Devin Haney coming off that win over Brian Norman Jr. just three or four days ago, Saturday, to be exact, in Riyadh. I thought it was a great performance. I thought it was a dominant win, and he dropped him in the second, and then he was able to win a very convincing and one-sided decision. A lot of the blame afterwards directed towards Norman, but some people, including the great Eddie Hearn, directing some blame towards Devin Haney, saying that he wasn't, you know, wasn't aggressive enough, wasn't active enough. Some of the things that have followed Haney throughout his career.

By the way, in doing so, he has now become a three-divisional world champion. He is now a champion at 147 pounds. So that is a pretty significant feat that he has just to accomplished. And he will join us at approximately 1.30 Eastern time to talk about that. In a matter of moments, though, we are going to be joined by the great Shafkat Rachmanov. We have not talked to Shavkat in quite some time. The last time we spoke to him was before the Ian Gary fight, I do believe, if my memory serves me correct. And, you know, he was trying to figure out who he would fight. It was a short notice situation. Supposed to fight for the belts. Balal couldn't fight. takes the Ian Gary fight, wins against Ian Gary,

and then expects to be fighting for the belt, and fortunately in that fight, injured himself. He has not fought now in almost a year, but he appears to be back, he appears to be healthy, he appears to be revved and ready to go. He was there in the front row on Saturday in Qatar, and he is still very much in the mix,

and dare I say, the number one contender is still a year later in the very stacked, very loaded, and very different-looking 170-pound division from when he last fought almost exactly a year ago. He is the pride of Kazakhstan. He is 19 and 0 as a pro, 7-0 in the UFC, and he is kind enough to join us late at night over there on this Tuesday evening.

There he is, Shafkat on the program, and joined, as always, by one of his managers, Syed, who is kind enough to interpret for him. Hello, Shafkut. How are you? Well, I'm good. Okay, maybe we don't need Sayat. You speak English. now perfect.

A little bit, normal. Okay, I like it. We're getting better. We're getting better. Well, Shafkud, it's great to see you. It's been a while since we last spoke, and it's been a while since we've seen you. Could you tell us, first things first,

how has this year been for you? You were so close to fighting for the belt in December, and then, of course, the injury, and then you can't fight in May, and so your career has been put on pause. How has this year been for you? I would imagine it was quite frustrating. Yeah.

You've never you've seen more a year you've already you've been never you've done

he's always he's done for the in May but in the trauma outlaw and it's

you've got to say a little your career to put to start about about how

actually about this year how actually this year? Of course not a not

kind of like all some Alhamdala, now in the moment, all right. I'm doing. I'm going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to do you. We'll see how it will be the division. The situation is to everything.

It wasn't an easy year. A lot of challenges, a lot of problem. But thanks God, everything is getting well already. And I'm already in training, getting back in shape. And just looking how this situation is going to play out in our division to see what's next for me. Okay, and we will get to the present in a moment. But I just want to ask, could you tell us exactly what happened

and was it an injury sustained in your fight against Ian and how many surgeries you needed in order to get to this point? Can you concretely talk about trauma? It's the trauma, that you've got to be in Geree, and how you've got to do you need to get her? Well, I mean, actually, to the war I was a trauma

and I didn't I didn't want to I'm not I'm not going to get to be and after the problem, I thought it

kind of it's really to get to and it's first a time, but it didn't help, but

it's been with an operation to do and in the moment I'm I'm

I'm sure I'm I'm in the in the in the time I

kind of You know, trauma, I wasn't any kind of had been, with this trauma I went, with him, risked. Well, I wanted to fight, in fact, I mean, I'd also, yeah, I'd rather never, I'd rather

say, I'm going to say, it's going to be good, that I'm not going to go, but I'm going to go back in the end of March I don't know. You know, actually, I had an injury, I injured myself before the fight with Ingarii.

And because I had prepared for such a long time and I didn't want to miss the opportunity to fight. And that's why I fought, took a risk. And the injury didn't get worse in a fight actually. You know, it was the same scale of the injury before the fight and after the fight. And first I wanted to avoid the surgery and gave a rest to the injury doing the rehab. but it wasn't enough and then I had to do surgery still that's why I've been out for a while but yeah soon it's going to be a year but right now I feel I feel good and I feel healthy and I believe I'll be ready to fight again at the end of February probably

March so we'll see okay and and was it ACL? ACL was it backer with cross cross cross cross Like Minisik, there's, there, and Bakrwai, Svsk, too. Yeah, meniscus and, like, partially, I see, too. Okay. Do you think, if this didn't happen to you, do you think right now you would be U.S.C. Walterway champion? Do you think you, if you'd be a U.S.C. Walthurway champion? Yeah, I think, I think, of, obviously,

I would be champion to start. But in the life of Saki, it's always, maybe, I'm not so judged, that what was, that trauma was, like, I've got to come back from the war.

No, nothing strange. If, like, I'm supposed, I'm going to be champion. If not,

no, the time will be. Yes, of course, I think I would be a champion, but, you know, it doesn't,

it didn't mean to be, you know, life is all different thing at us, so we never know. If it

If it meant to be for me to be a champion, I'm going to be a champion. If not, then no. Okay. And right now, have you been medically cleared? Like, are you 100% ready to go? And now, now, we're just a lot. You can't have to be able to. Yeah, yeah, I'm going to, but, in my way, I'm in a form, I'm not, like, it's, too, it's a lot, it's, like, it's a lot.

You know, I'm not going to do it, and I'm, I'm not going to risk to fight, but I'm going to be able to work, but I'm going to be able to prepare. I think the ideal date will at the end of February, and in the start of March, maybe. We'll see, how, yeah, what, you know, at this time. Yeah, yes, I've been cleared, you know, I'm just trying to get back in shape because I've been out for such a long time. It's not a easy process, you know, to get back in shape. That's why I'm taking it easy, taking it slowly.

So I believe I will be in a fight shape by the end of February, beginning of March. So we'll see how the training goes now. If it was up to you, Shavkat, who would you return against? Your next fight will be who? If it only depends on you, with whom would you want to go to do next war to do? Well, of course, for the poise, but I think Islam, this date he will not be

ready I think I'm at the end April, in the start May I will be going to be

going to we'll be at EFC also they're they're a question and so

I'm going I'm going to get to there's there's problem because they they said

I said I had been there was trauma I didn't I'm not I'm I'm not

I'm I'm not just that He was not even if you prefer to I would have to be with someone to fight with no, no, without problem, with anyone, with anyone.

Same goal, this data, I'm going to be able to. Yeah, of course I would prefer to fight for the title next, but I think this timeline not going to work for Islam February, March. Probably he will defend his belt in April, May, that time. Of course, if I can fight Islam next, I'm ready, I can do it. And also, I was supposed to fight for a title. And I had a respectful reason not to take this opportunity.

And I was promised also a title shot in the future. But again, if I have to fight before title shot again, I have no problem. I can prove again that I'm the number one contender, I'm the rightful contender. whoever is on my timeline and whoever's going to put me in that title spot again, I'm going to fight. If that is the case, if they do make you fight someone else before fighting for the belt, who do you think makes the most sense for you? With whom has most sense then to fight to the titular boy?

Yeah, too a very difficult We have a division has a lot of I think 3, 4 variants is with any of

them got of how, there's there, there Lussman What else is that? Brayde won't

Morales, Morales So, they, Buckley, too is there's, I'm going to,

but they some, Magdalene, maybe there's no more than, if there's no problem. Any of them that's not, the most the most important, give us to rather than,

it's actually hard questions, you know, a lot of things change in our division. But I see there's like four or five good options for me. It can be Pradas,

it can be Morales, it can be Usman. Also, Buckley being calling me out, you know, the ADM might be an option. just give me opponent

give me time to prepare and I'll be ready to face anyone as long as it's number one can turn to fight some kind of some kind of would be able to be able to Well,

well, it would be interesting but he'd rather than he'll agree, he's always constantly, like, I don't want to I think, who more, I know, Buckley, wants to

because he's constantly with me wants to trance, that for this attack. A-tack, and, of course, without problems in any practice,

or this morality, no, the most the most important, you know, and all right, you know, and so, in the practice

also good, in the last in the battle, he was in, he's really, he was in, he's a, very knockout,

he's done, I've got, well, no, no, with people, with him, and the, the,

of course the most intriguing fight for me is kamar usman but i don't believe he's going to accept the fight against me he he's been turning down fights against me in the past and uh you know buckley been talking a lot been calling me out for a while so it will be good to shut him up but also protest he's on a good streak you know he's had a spectacular kill last time and the Morales too. So for me, really, really doesn't matter. There's a lot of good options and just give me the date and open in advance and just make sure it's a number one contender fight. On Sunday, Islam was speaking to reporters in Dagestan.

He said that you have not been active, and so he doesn't think someone who hasn't been active should get the next title shot. I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said. What is your response to that sentiment? Here's what he said, the quote, he hasn't fought in a year, a contender can't spend a year dealing with the injuries and then fight for the belt. And then, of course, he said, well, if he recovers and UFC decides that's next, then why not?

But I just wanted to get your thoughts on that first sentiment about someone who hasn't fought in a year fighting for the belt upon their return. Also, Islam in interview, he said, because of the time that you're a big, and you're not you don't be the next

you're not he's not he's over the last year he's by his words but if UC decides that you

is the next he'll agree with you to be able to what you what you're your reaction on that

that's I'm I'm I'm I'm obviously he's he also he's also

he's also he's he's I think the most the I'm not even if I'm not very much. I'm everywhere to fight with him and

it will be a good. But, I don't know, how it's but Islam, I'll get a title-boy, basically, I've won't, but he needs to shesat poise, he's, he needs to be the best. I'm not not yet, no, no, no, I've got not been, I thought I'd, I

can all in their division and win. I think I I can all in their division to win. No, without problem. How U.S.S. Islam, I think, as, as

says, U.S.S. Rishit, that we'll, I'm, I'm, there's, I'm, I'm, like, I'm, like, got to, like, got to. The same goal, but, you're going to,

like, any way out, to try to, and to try to, and to try to, and so. Yeah, maybe Islam looking for more suitable, more convenient opening for him.

I believe I'm the most inconvenient, hardest fight for him in the division. I'm undefeated for a reason. I believe I can beat anyone in the division. But as Islam said, you know, whatever you see decides, and I believe he's going to accept the fight. So if you see going to decide I'm next, I'm also not going to miss this opportunity. I'm going to take this fight. Were you surprised at how dominant Islam looked in his 170-pound debut against JDM a couple weekends ago. Was you

you were you did you look at the Islam in the debut in the middle

base? Yeah, yeah, he dominated, dominated, he was but I want to

understand or Islam that's good or Magdalene actually not

not. Well, that's I want. Well, we'll I think, I'm

can't Islam will be I'm going to be able to win it. I have universality, which has, like, many of the fighters

there. I think, boy, will be to show, let's see. Let's see. Let's see. Yeah, I believe

Islam had a great performance, but I also want to find out for myself. Is it, JDM had a bad, such a bad performance or Islam had such a good performance?

I believe, I'm a universal fighter. I can make it hard for him everywhere. So, yeah, I just want to find out for myself what's going to happen. I think, I personally think that you are the most deserving based on your resume. If they didn't give it to you, because of the time off, I think that Ian Gary would be next, but you have the win over Ian Gary. He's obviously been more active this year.

I said this to Ian yesterday, and he said, said, no, essentially the injury you sustained was in the fight against him, and he's won twice this year, and he should be next. And as of this morning, he is now ranked above you in the UFC rankings. And so can I get your reaction to what Ian is saying? And also to you now being below, in terms of the rankings, the guy that you last beat. also Ariel She's That you should be But if you If you don't Because he's not

Because of the He's the He's going to Heangeri He's going to But you have You have a Yeah, yeah

Yeah, yeah You have a You have a But Yengeri But Yengeri He said he was He was more active and

Your trauma It's he He gave this trauma So he He should be the next. And,

now in he's put on one stork than you so that's what you really?

And what's about his words? I'm at him, I've got from him didn't

not quite I've I've went to him from why me wrong? People,

who so I'm who's someone who's we've got to the fosos they too

know, But, obviously, he was active, than I, it was to know, just, like, we know, we're different situations were. I had trauma. I mean, he didn't trauma.

For that he went. In principle, he two boys won't get riddened, but he's two boys, he'll, he's all all right, I'm still

he'll, I'm still again again, if we will be with him rematch, I'll I'll even I think I think, I think, I'm a much better, I'll be able to fight and better, if we'll meet him. You know, like I said before, I sustained an injury before the fight.

He didn't injure me. I don't need to lie about that. You know, people who trained with me can confirm that. People in U.S.P.I. Physios can confirm that. that and I didn't sustain any injury in the fight with Ian Gehry of course I have to admit that he's been active he's been doing well he had two wins but doesn't matter if he have two three wins I already I'm already the guy who beat him and if we fight again I believe I'm going to beat him again because and especially next time I'm going to do it and be more convincingly

I'm going to perform better because I won't have been fighting injury. I want to be fighting injured. I saw that you were there to watch his fight and you guys had a nice little interaction right before he entered the cage. What did you think of his performance? Here it is. What did you think of his performance and the win against Bilal Muhammad on Saturday? Also, you were on the tourneurface.

How do you see what in the whole of his opinion with Bilal Muhammad? Billal in, in the barbys, he showed, he was shot, and he rebuffed him. But I'm, I think, I think he's great. I think that I'm Garry, I've won't. There's no, there's nothing

doesn't be. So, well, he's, he performed well, you know, and he beat the Belal convincingly. You know, he outstrike him,

didn't let him wrestle, out-wrestle himself, you know, himself, you know, defended takedowns. So overall, he performed very well and won undoubtedly. I'm going to let you go in a moment, Shafka, because I could see you're very tired. I'm boring you with all my questions. I see you, ah, oh, I see you yawning like that.

I'm boring you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm very boring guy. I'm sorry. But can I ask, I saw that you received something from the president of Kazakhstan. The order of the two degrees, Barry, look at this. Barry, look at this amazing picture.

What did you receive here? What is this honor that you received from the president of Kazakhstan? And what you, what you did you do? What you did for the order for president of Kazakhstan? Well, it's, like, Barnes 2, there's a good ordn. I don't know, I, same, two, for three days, I've known. So, in principle, I was glad. It's very nice, that, like, you know, in Kazakhstan, me, kind of, you know,

I am I, you know, my work, my work, and the support, in the world, in the future, and I'll, in principle, I'll be glad. I'm going to start even more, some to dostitching to do,

and, like, I'll try to bring the post to Kazakhstan, and I, what, I'm, I start as, like, for the bolersers,

that, you're, that, to Kazakhstan's to get back my own my own pobeds and I know we know

we know we know we're you're very really just like like like

yeah I was actually surprised to get it you know I found out only like two days

before that and I'm pretty honored you know it's I believe I received it for overall

development of the sport you know and popularity of the sport you know and popularity of the sport among people and well people in Kazakhstan you know they really love UFC and I truly grateful for the support I receive and really thankful that all my all my hard

work you know being recognized and being respected amazing I'm very thankful thankful for that and I will do everything in my power to keep our nation our people happy and to bring the belt back to my homeland and very quickly before I let you go, if in fact you do fight Islam, could you give us a taste, a preview, how does this fight play out in your mind? You versus Islam, he's looked so good, he's won 16 in a row, so dominant.

How do you think the fight plays out? And, so say, a big preview, how you think your boy with Islam, how you're saying, your boy with Islam, how you can't even, same, you're saying?

Well, I, think, obviously, very concrete will, Islam, as always, I'd like want to or go back

I think I will go get done with a down

and what that there's I think I think I would I'm

the I'm always I'm always fight I'm either

partterer, quite stokes, I think Islam it's all I'm

all and his team too I'm I'm I'm But I don't think and

and to understand that the the most serious for them, and it's I. If you, it's like, proud to say. Yeah. I believe it's going to be

very, very competitive fight, you know. Islam is great and he will believe he's going to do his thing and try to take me down. But I can cause him

problems everywhere in a stand-up. I believe I can defend his takedowns. I believe I can cause trouble in the clinch. And I stand on my point that I'm the most inconvenient opponent for him. And I believe that his team and he himself knows that too. Well, the great news is you are back, you are healthy, and this is a big problem for the welterweight division.

So, so happy to hear this. Welcome back, Shafkat. I wish you nothing but the best, the best of health. Good luck. Hopefully you get what you are searching for, that big opportunity. And always appreciate you coming on and giving us a few moments. of your time. So thank you so much, and thank you so much to Syatt as well, and good luck to you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you, Ariel. Take care, guys. There he is. The great Shafkat,

Rachmanov, undefeated 19 and 0 as a pro 7-0 in the UFC. And in most people's estimation, considering the fact that he was supposed to fight for the belt in December, and Balal couldn't fight, and then Ian saved the day and gave him the opportunity to fight. And then apparently according to him, he further sustains or already had an injury. He is saying it did not happen in the fight, whatever. Not important at this point. Then he was supposed to fight in May. That didn't happen because of the injury. You would think he would be in consideration. Islam's saying he hasn't been active. Other people have gotten title shots being out for a year or so. If Isam isn't going to fight by, you know, February, March or so, it sounds like he wants

to fight, and you got to give him a lot of credit. He had the title shot. He took the Ian fight. He could be close to the title shot. He's open to take in another fight. That's what you want, a fighting contender, a fighting champion. He reminded me a little bit of when Connor does the ESPN radio guy. You know when you do the Yonig? G.C. Yeah, the co-worker? Yeah. He was reminding me of that. Yeah, yeah, you sit down with a coworker and they hit you with the... And I'm really looking forward to the work day today.

Yeah, he was like, yeah, you excited to fight Ian Gary? Yeah. You was trying to do it off camera, too. After you called him out on it, and then he hit the... Yep, for sure. For sure, yeah, I can't wait. Ian Gary. That's what I was thinking the whole time.

Man, poor guy, I feel so bad. Well, then you imitated it, and like, yawns are contagious. So he started yawning again. He saw you yawn, and it forced out of the way of him. I didn't know if it came across. I was trying to show him, like, I see you, my friend. I see you struggling. I just have a few more questions.

You've been a big mystery all this time. So I just needed to get some clarity. I'm sorry. I just wanted to know how he was feeling about it all. Plus, we find out this morning that Ian has now leapfrogged him. We know that these rankings are a what have you done for me? Whatever happened to them changing the rankings, by the way? Didn't they say that was happening one of these days?

Your boy, oh, there it is, there it is. Jack Della 1. Ian, all the way up to 2. Shavkat 3, Morales 4, Bilal 5. I don't really have a huge issue. Jack, I'm fine with Jack staying up there. Shafkat, I mean, Shafkat has the win. It's like, what are you basing it on activity?

Morales 4, Bilal 5, Carlos, I don't know, I kind of put, I feel like I put Carlos above Bilal with the win there, but I mean, Bilal has the win over Leon 2. Brady, yeah, that makes sense, Usman 8, Leon 9, I would put Leon over Camaro. I mean, how does Leon not get over Camaro? He has two wins over him recently. And then Joaquin, I mean, I feel like those are the guys. Your boy, Waldo Cortez, number five, I saw. It's pretty big.

Five pound for pound, by the way, not in the heavyweight rankings. He's like, fine. Oh, this is heavy way. Cyril, Volkov, Pavlovich, Curtis Blades, Waldo Cortez, Acosta, Jelten Almeda, Sergei, Spivak, Derek, Lewis, Antidellia, Marcin Tibera. I mean, very, very soon, we could have two new names on that list. You can have Rico Verhoeven. You can have a glory kickboxing world champion and an Olympic gold medalist.

And how different does that division look if those two guys enter the mix? You know? that would be incredible no yawning there no yawning there anyway great to hear that he's doing okay great to hear that he is

healthy again ready to go sort of the forgotten man at 170 but stylistically hard to argue against the fact that he probably would be the worst matchup right now for Islam his last

few wins I can tell you all of his wins in the UFC. Ian Machado Gary, Stephen Wonderboy Thompson, Jeff Neal, Neil Magny, Carlston Harris, Michelle Prazeras, Alex Olivavera. Every single one of those fights

other than the Ian Gary fight he won via stoppage. Sub-sub-C0, sub-sub-sub-sub-decision. So again, the kind of fighter, dare I say, that you would want to have. in the mix, especially with people getting upset about some of these decisions, which is crazy,

as we've outlined Islam, not a boring fighter, Hamzat, not a boring fighter, actually quite the opposite. More often than not, they are getting finishes. Do we have our next guest, or should I, I had something here. What about this, guys? we've been talking about the the Dylan Dennis thing with Team Habib and Islam and all this stuff

I wake up this morning to a tweet from the mayor of New York City Eric Adams now he's on his way out as of I think it's January 1st right? I believe so yeah

well here's my mayor Eric Adams and yours Frank what the fuck is that these assaults at Madison Square Garden are completely unacceptable. The NYPD is already conducting a full investigation and everyone responsible will be held accountable. Now, I would imagine the majority of these people aren't in New York anymore. So what could they really do, right? But I didn't expect the mayor of New York City to weigh in on the Dylan Dennis brawl at Madison Square Garden.

kind of a surprising one now frank as the the resident legal expert on the team what do you think happens here what do you think he can do i don't think he heard you man oh i think he's ignoring oh sorry we're trying to get the the guests ready to go okay is he here i was just asking as the legal expert on the squad oh so glad you asked yeah tell us i mean it's i hate to use this word but it's a little performative for him to put out this message right now. Oh, wow. Frankie Counten down the days to game one baby. Wow, sorry. I'm just saying, you know,

do what you will. Why is it performative? There was a brawl at one of the most famous venues in the city. Of course he's going to weigh, and he's still doing it. I've only been to a few UFC events. Like, I'm no by no means an expert. The last time I went to one was in Atlantic City, and there was a brawl

right in front of me, right? Okay. So I didn't trying not to say anything that I will regretly, but this is a common occurrence. Now, Dylan Dennis has been known to be in brawls in New Jersey and famously got arrested, this sort of thing. So I get why it's noteworthy,

but this almost just feels like the mayor is just jumping on it. Like, nobody has had an outcry of like, oh, there's violence happening at the combat sports, you know? All right, all right. Well, thank you, Frank. Thank you for telling us how you really feel. This is the type of insight that we want. All right, let's move along now.

Massive win for our next guest this past weekend. Dominant win, now a three division world champion. He defeats Brian Norman. Everyone said he was going to be the boogeyman. Everyone said this was going to be the one. This was going to be the one. This was going to be the fight in which he gets exposed, knocked out, all these things and more in the end, another master class, dare I say, for our next opponent. He is the one and only Devin Haney, who is kind enough to join us from, I do believe, all the way, still in the Middle East. There he is. Hello, Devin. How are you, my man? What up, Ariel? I'm good. How are you?

I'm doing great. Congratulations. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. Feeling good about what you did on Saturday? Yeah, I'm happy with the performance. I went in there and I did everything I said I was going to do. I stuck to my game plan and I got the victory and I looked good doing it. So I'm happy with the performance for sure. Are you at a hookah lounge right now? I'm at a restaurant hookah lounge. Yeah, that. Damn. Are we annoying you? Is this a new a new? since in your life?

No, no, I love to hear for Ariel. I always love to talk to you. And, yeah, so I'm happy to be on with you. Okay, I appreciate it. None of these haters, right? I see you going after the haters online right now. All the media guys, you're not happy with a lot of your counterparts, a lot of your colleagues in the business. Well, I just know that a lot of people, a lot of people, you know, wrote me off.

They didn't believe that I could get it done. I think a lot of people underestimated me. my opponent underestimating me you know the media the fans underestimating me and yeah I just showed that you know I'm not one to be doubted I'm not want to be you know

you know you're looking lightly do you use this as motivation as fuel do you listen to that stuff before the fight and say all right I'm going to show you guys do you pay attention to that stuff yeah I mean of course you know me going into this

by you know our underdog was very surprising for me but you know I just used that's field. I've seen what everyone was saying. I was going to get knocked out. And so over this, it's been, you know, a little over a long year for me, you know, um, you know, a lot of people said a lot of things. And, uh, I knew that, you know, the time was going to come where I was going to have to put up or shut up. And I was going to have to, I was either going to make them, you know, eat their words or I was going to make their words, you know, true. And this was the time. And, um, so I took it very serious.

When you dropped them in the second round, did you say something to him? No, I didn't say nothing. I just looked at him. I didn't say anything. Now, how close do you think you were to stopping him? I think I was very close. I think the rent did a phenomenal job,

but we were exchanging, and then he broke it up and he warned me for something. I forgot what it was. But I think maybe for behind the head or something like that, I'm not sure. But I think that if that didn't happen, I think I would have stopped him. But I lost perfect planner, you know, everything happens for a reason.

I was able to still, you know, showcase, you know, with me being versed. I think that maybe if I would have knocked him out in the second round, they would have said I got him with a good shot. It was a lucky shot or whatever. You know, I was able to show, you know, my skills. I showed my full arsenal. And I'm happy with the outcome. Are you disappointed that you didn't stop him? No, no, no.

Like I said, I'm happy with the outcome. Okay. I think that, you know, I think that I was able to showcase my game, showcase, you know, my skills. You know, my skills, showcase my IQ. You know, I was able to, you know, take a few shots and show my chin. Yeah, no, I'm very happy with the outcome.

A lot has been made of how little he threw, his lack of activity. Were you surprised by that? Or do you think that's just taking credit away from you? No, that's everyone. Everyone against me. They have a low punch output. They have the lowest punch output against.

meeting. And, you know, that's for me handicapped him. You know, we studied him, you know, day in and day out. So we knew what he was going to do. We knew, we knew his weaknesses. We knew the things that he was good at. And the things that he was good at, we took away from him. Do you think that you exposed

Brian Norman? Because there was a lot of hype around him. Or do you think he just met you, the better fighter, and can still have a much higher ceiling and go far in this sport? Yeah, no, I think that I think he just bought me. And like I said, I just, I said that I was too experienced. and I was just a far better fighter than him,

and I was on a different level. I think that he would still have success like he's had in the past against those kind of fighters, but I am a special fighter, and I just showed them. A great moment towards the end of the fight between you and your dad in between rounds,

where you say, I love you to him, and it was just awesome to see that. What in that moment sparked that? What prompted you to have this exchange with your dad? Well, I don't really remember that clear of exactly what sparked it, but I just remember, you know, thinking in a fight that, you know, my dad was right about everything. My dad, my dad, along with my other coaches from my dad, you know, drew up the game plans, and it worked to the team. Everything that, everything worked, you know, and it wasn't just, it wasn't just the game plan in the fight. It came plan and in the buildup and everything. Everything was strategic, you know, and it was, it was, it wasn't.

all came from my death, everything that, we were very strategic. We were very, like, we were, you know, people were saying that I was scared. Everything that we did was premeditative, and people were, where, were falling for the trap. By the number of pill for the trap, they were underestimated me, and it all just worked out in our favor. Can you give me some examples? Like, what are you talking about? I remember in the face off, people were like, oh, this is a different side of, are you talking about things like that in the buildup to the fight? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, a lot of the things that I said, when I was in front of him and I was in the press conference and I was bouncing in front of him. That was all premeditated. Everything was planned. And we planned all of them. And everything, from when we were facing up to when I, you know, I stepped forward and I stepped closer to him. I was showing dominance. Everything was premeditated. We planned and we worked on everything.

And we were ready. became ready. I think that I think that Brian Norman and his team, you know, they weren't ready. They weren't ready for that moment, but I think that just experience was what took me over the edge and what just separated me from them. It got heated between his dad, your dad, the two camps, all that stuff. Did it make the victory any more sweeter because of all that stuff leading up to it? No, it didn't matter. It didn't matter.

Like I said, before, no matter what he says or whatever, no matter what I say, When we get in that ring, I'm going to do my job. I could care less. You know, his dad, you know, he talked a lot. But I was going to do whatever I was going to do regardless. He talked or whether he didn't talk. The outcome was going to be the same. Have you rewatched the fight?

No, I haven't. No. I'm just curious. Throughout the broadcast, they kept showing Connor Ben ringside, and he was yawning, and he was sleeping on Eddie's shoulder. And I'm just wondering what you thought of some of that perceived shade throughout your fight on the telecast. Actually, yes.

You know, Eddie's little puppet. Eddie's, Eddie is his master. So he does what Eddie wants him to do. Eddie, Connor Ben can, as an accomplice, nowhere near what I've accomplished. If we both were to retire today, ask, ask boxers, ask the fans,

whose career they were rather happy? My career, Rekar Ben's career. And I'm younger than, he hasn't accomplished nothing. He hasn't done nothing in the sport of boxing. His biggest win, He's against a weight drain

God and that he lost the first flight He had a rematch him to get a win Against a guy that was weight drain He did a rematch clause did all these stipulations That's his biggest win of his career Well as you know And your dad has addressed this as well Yeah go ahead

And the guy that he lost to He had the weight drain to put all these stipulations on It was never even world champion And I love Chris Evin But he was never He was never even world champion So You can't even 100

us in the same sentence. He's nowhere near my level. And like I said, he's Eddie's little puppy. He does what Eddie says. Eddie has been hating on me for a while now. Every chance he gets, he talks down on me. Eddie, Eddie Hearn is, Eddie, Eddie, yeah. Like I said.

Keep going. What did you want to say? I said what I had to say. Okay. Can I, I want to read the quote from Eddie, because I know your dad responded to He said, you are fighting scared, meaning you, he's fighting scared. He doesn't want to engage at any moment during the fight. You have Turkey Alashik who's paying the money.

Haney had the fight at Times Square against Ramirez, and now this, I told him after the fight. You have to switch it up. You can't keep fighting like that because no one is going to want to tune in and watch. What is your reaction to that quote, that criticism from Eddie Hearn? He sound like Eddie Hearn is hating. Eddie Hearn is like a, he's like a bitter ex-grope when I'm on. Every chance he gets, you know, he talks bad about me to this person and that person. I hear everything that he says to promoters, the fighters.

Eddie Hearn. Eddie He can not stop bringing my name of it. Where's this coming from, though? Because you had a great run together, and it seemed like even despite the fact that you weren't working together, that there was a mutual respect. Eddie Hearn is better. Eddie Heard said that I wasn't. After after the fight, pounding me out, he said I wasn't going to make.

He said I wasn't going to make anything over a million dollars. My worth dropped. I was Cheney. I couldn't take a punch. I don't have no confidence. He said I was going to lose to Brian Norman. Eddie Huron, every Tennessee gets him hits.

Do you want to fight one of Eddie's guys next in order to stick it to them? I don't give a fuck. I'll fight anybody. I don't care. Who does make sense for you next? Whoever my dad says. Do you have a preference?

whoever my dad says Okay, so none of the names The top guys, there's a bunch of them right now Obviously Ryan's out there Barrios is out there Even Paco, all these guys Anyone in particular? You guys know me, you guys know my body

You guys know my character You guys have a fighter that I am I will fight anybody, it doesn't matter Whoever my dad chooses whoever he chooses, whoever he chooses, that's who I'll find Okay, can I just ask When will we see you again? I don't know

I just fought like two days ago No I know but like In a perfect world for you Do you want to come back in the summer Do you think you'll come back in the spring In the fall Like how long do you want to be out Doesn't matter

I like watching you fight That's why Oh no I appreciate that I trained yesterday I trained today And I'm gonna train again tomorrow It doesn't stop This is a lifestyle for me

It doesn't matter I will fight anybody anytime to any place I'm a true throwback butter and Eddie Harrison I fight for money I don't fight for money I fight for legacy that's why I

that's why I am fighting the best fighters in the world time in time out Connor Ben fights for money that's why he's never been world champion would you like to fight him it does not matter what I just told you I don't know I'll tell you I will fight anybody

it's not matter to me can I just ask how good did you feel at 47 as opposed to the weights you fought at in the past yeah i felt much better at 147 i think my performance showed it much more of my natural self and yeah i thought i'll be at 147 for that okay so for the foreseeable future we're sticking with this way class yeah i want to make the biggest best fights happen uh it's the best fight is in the world so um 147 i'm champion now and uh i want to pick up more belts and uh yeah okay last question i did see jack catarral weigh in and you said ask your coach what would happen

If I fought you, what were you referring to there? His coach, his bossy, that's who's that, right? That's his coach. Yes, sir. So I just said, I just said, I think that he was talking out of turn. I think he should ask his coach. You know, if him fighting me is a good fight, if that's really something that they want to do.

Okay. Thank you, Devin. Congrats, man. Appreciate it very much. Great performance. Always appreciate you coming on and talking to us. For sure. Thank you, Ariel.

Was there anything else? wanted to say? I feel like there's something else you want to say. They're telling me to rap. That's why. So I just want to I was going to go longer, but I don't want to take up your time. No, my phone is actually on 3%. Oh, damn. No, it's nothing more than I want to say. Thank you. Thank you for the interview.

As always. You're the man. You're the man, Devin. Much love. Salam al-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-law. Thank you. There is. Devin-Haney, the man. We don't want to. another phone to die, right? We don't. Because then I'll feel sad about that. I still feel sad about the Armisturikian situation. Yeah, I feel like getting Kaini back tomorrow. It would be a problem. Yeah, everything

is a big problem, you know. Or, you know. I mean, he was fired up about the Eddie stuff. And the Connor Ben stuff. Eddie Connor. What do you call him his puppet? He said Connor is Eddie's puppet, right? How times have changed? Not that

long ago. They were boys. Not that long ago. He was like his guy. He was bigging him up. 100%. Listen, I think Devin is great for the sport. I know people don't like him, don't like his dad. To me, it's box office when he fights. It's must-see TV.

I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but they talk to talk and they walk the walk. Look at Devin Haney's resume. Look at the names that he has fought. I don't know, let's say last, let's say five years. Brian Norman Jr., Jose Ramirez, Ryan Garcia, Regis Progrey, Vasily Lomachenko, George Cambosus, George Cambosus, Jojo Diaz, Jorge Lanars, Eurekis Gamboa.

I mean, that's an insane lineup of guys. The craziest part, he's only 27. Yeah, that isn't. He's done all of that by 27. He's younger than Connor Ben. Yeah, and the one blemish on the resume was overturned. Like, it's a real, it's an incredible resume. It really is.

But people, for some reason, they get it. think, there it is, I think that, and they get annoyed about the zero too, but I think he, he doesn't have Xbox heat with all due respect to my friend, Sean Walton. I think people want to see him lose. And ultimately, ultimately, some people, not everyone, but ultimately, that's fine. Like, the worst thing that you can have is an apathetic public. As a fighter, that's the worst thing. The best thing is actually people wanting to see you lose. Floyd Mayweather made an entire career based off that. When he was Pretty Boy Floyd, people were somewhat the general public.

The hardcore boxing fans loved him, or at least respected him, wanted to watch him fight. We're excited about his fights. We'd talk about his fights he'd be on Friday night fights or, you know, HBO, whatever. Then he becomes Money Mayweather, and he becomes the biggest star in all of combat sports and the highest earner and all that stuff. The key, though, is what Mayweather was able to do, which is convert that into pay-per-view sales, convert that into box office, right? Brian Norman Jr., great fight,

but when you start talking about Connor Ben, the rematch of Ryan Garcia, this is where you make the money. This is how you convert that people wanting you to lose into the financial gain. And that has to be the next step. We do have the video of Eddie talking about Haney. Is it the same quote?

Let's see it. Let's see it. Let's see it. They're not happy with me because I said it was boring. How boring was it? I mean, let's be honest. Like, you know, and I said on a broadcast, I give Devon respect. He's become a three-division world champion, but it ain't good to watch. He doesn't want to engage at all. So it's not, I'm not having a go at them.

I'm just being honest. He doesn't look like a guy that really wants to be in there. But anyway, well done to him. What did his excellency make of Devon's performance? Did you chat to him about? No comment. Oh, yeah, know yourself. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, that's the one right there. That's the one right there. I want to, could I be honest? I want to see Connor Ben versus Devin Haney now. Hell yeah. That's the one. Connor, Ben, oh, man, there's so many options. Connor Ben versus Devin Haney would be a lot of fun.

That was interesting last week. Connor, we had Connor on, and then, and we were debating, you know, the Ryan Garcia, Barrios thing. And then it's Garcia who says, I'm fighting Barrios, although it didn't feel like an official announcement. He even used the uncrowned graphic. You sure did. Shout out. It was a great graphic. That means, though, if that is, in fact, happening, that means,

Connor needs a new dance partner, and I heard him say that he'd want to fight Mario Barrios Cinco-Dum I.O. weekend, but maybe it's, is it maybe Garcia, Barrios, Haney, Ben? I would love that. I would love that, too, but you could also wait if you're Connor Ben. You could just wait for that to resolve. Nah, nah, nah. Haney versus Connor Ben is a big-time fight.

Massive. Throw Shakur in the mix, too. It would be incredible. All right, so Shakor's in the mix. Now who's fighting who? I don't know. I would, I mean, I still want to see Haney v. Garcia, too. That's probably the biggest one of them all, to be honest.

Well, we assume that he's fighting Barrios, right? Like, I assume that that's... I mean, it was an announcement that he made. Yeah. I feel like he was trying to, like, will that. He was trying to will that into existence. Yes. Even had a date and everything.

He had the belt there and everything. Use our graphic, though. What do you mean? That's the upside. Yeah, no, I liked it. By the way, I said thank you for using our graphic. I don't know if you guys saw this, but speaking of great welterweights, The one and only Connor McGregor was on the soccer pitch.

He was on the football pitch last night. I think he scored a hat trick. Look at this. Look at this left foot. Ooh, top inns. Connor McGregor. Oh, that one was a little tap-in. Let's see this.

Let's see this. Woo! You know yourself. I mean, if this isn't an indication that the Mac Daddy is back, Triple Crown Baby, we're coming. Coming for the treble. Yes, bro. Things you love to see.

Things you love to see. this is he? Yes, bro. Hello, brother. Yeah. Treble, baby. That's a sign. That's a sign, baby. The treble clown. What's the sign? What do you think the sign is?

I was going to ask you. No, I don't know. What's the son? I don't know. I don't know. But the... Who's to check? The haddy is nice, man. That left foot was nice. Was nice. You know, like how to get... Like, they say, it's nice. Also nice was this video of Ilya and Alexandra's dad reacting to the aforementioned Alexandra's win on Saturday. Beautiful stuff, heartwarming stuff. This courtesy of Satanta Sports. Did you guys see this? This was nice. Look at this.

I love it. A great moment. I love that stuff. I love those videos from back in, I guess that's in Georgia, probably. The ones with Marab's family are great as well. Great stuff for Islam Mahachav, guys, receiving an award for achievements in physical culture and sports in the Republic of Dagestan. Nice stuff here. Look at this. I love these things. This is heartwarming stuff right here.

In Dagestan, there's another one victory, and we'll have to for you. Yes. Does anyone know what this means? It's just an honor. He seems delighted. That's beautiful.

I love that stuff. In a matter of moments, we're going to be joined by the great Ben Whitaker. Before we get to Ben Whitaker, last night on WWE Monday Night Raw, it was, it's tough for Brock Lesner. He came out, he was ready to go, he had the man, Paul Heyman, by his side, and then he slipped. But then he did this sort of like backroll thing. And he actually, I thought he rebounded quite nicely. Like, yeah, that was what I meant to do.

The Beast Incarnate never slips. I thought it was a pretty good recovery, guys. What did you think? I didn't think it was as smooth as you probably thought of it was. The fact that he slipped in the first place, isn't it? Would you say it's tough? It's tough. He doesn't have a choice in the matter.

That actually sounded like a ventriloquist. I should have mouthed with it I knew Frank was going to hit it In the moment though In the moment I actually I was hearing Terrence's voice I don't know why

I don't know if it's because of the I don't know if it's because of the cowboy hat That he was wearing it just felt like It felt more like a country version Of it's tough you know And he definitely didn't mean to do that You don't think so I'm asking you

I wasn't watching it You're usually watching Monday Raw I watch the MSG one You're going to watch Survivor Series at Petco? No. Survivor Series this Saturday at Petco Park, outdoors in San Diego. That's sick. That's nice.

I wish I could do something outdoors right now. There was actually once a time where Survivor Series was on Thanksgiving night. That was the best. I would sleep at my grandparents' house. Thanksgiving Thursday night and we'd have school the next day. We'd have school on Thanksgiving Day because it wasn't Thanksgiving in Canada. And I would sleep at their house, watch it on their illegal pay-per-view box, and they'd take me to school the next day. That was like the old school Thanksgiving, like Survivor Series, the four versus four, not five versus five, four versus four teams, elimination.

You know, Survivor Series used to be Team Hogan against Team Earthquake, and then every pin you get eliminated, so then it becomes like four on one, and then the one comes back and defies the odds. I wish they would do that, but I guess the workers wouldn't like that, right, working on Thanksgiving, although football players do it. it might just be because of international audience moved to Saturday yeah that's a good point you think or maybe they just don't want to go head to head with the NFL that's true did the NFL add a night game

yeah like the last like decade oh yeah it used to just be the the 1 o'clock or the 1230 and then the 3 30 or whatever it was maybe the 430 and they have a Black Friday game now too yeah you think it's too much I mean it's the same amount of games right it's just spread out Yeah, Friday afternoon game, I guess people have nothing to do.

It is smart to do it on Amazon. Amazon actually has NFL and NBA this Black Friday. It is crazy, though. There'll be ads to buy stuff in the middle of the game. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, on Amazon. It's wild. You're doing some Black Friday shopping this year?

Only on Arialhuawwani.com. 20% off. Thanks for mentioning it. Right now, if you go to Area Hawaii. There it is. Yeah. The official merch store of me, 20% off right now. Which is your favorite guys?

The Action Bronson co-lab, or is it the Keeping ScoreT? The Keeping ScoreT in the middle, we're really not showcasing the magic of the tea. The back is a scorecard, and it's 107U versus the haters. Then you've got the Lucha Halwani shirt over there. What else? Oh, got a nice little coffee mug Tumblr. You've got the old dirty Hilwani tea And then of course the Nosa Mour

Which actually might be my favorite Old School Expos That's good stuff I personally love it You bought a couple from there right I did And you actually shun the friends and family I had to

You wanted to support the cause Exactly Yeah you're the man Proudly spent anytime I get worried about if a guest is showing up I just wait for Rick to talk to them you know I'm going to just leave my mic open oh yeah well that means that our next guest is moments away from joining us and I'm so excited to talk to him it's been a really long time since we last spoke to him I think a couple of years or so he's one of the most exciting

young fighters in the game still under 30 28 years young 9-0 and 1 as a pro and on Saturday in Birmingham, England, not Alabama. He is returning to action in what will be his first fight under the Matrum Boxing Promotional Umbrella. He's fighting Benjamin Gavazi. And this is really all about him and Eddie Hearn getting on track. He leaves boxer. He has the two fights against Liam Cameron.

He last fought in April promotional, free agent, signs with Matrum. There was talk of him signing with Matron post-Olympics several years ago. And now it just seems like a match made in heaven. And this is chapter one of that new venture. And I'm very much excited to see how it all plays out. It will air on DeZone this weekend.

And the surgeon is kind enough to join us. His name, Ben Whitaker. And here he is right here and now. There he is. Hello, Ben. How are you? I'm all good. Thank you, okay?

Yeah, I'm doing great. Long time, no speak. You've been very elusive. Something like that has been working hard, doing the job I need to do. but of course you're a great man I'll give you some of my time I appreciate that very much elusive like you are in the ring

you know it's hard to hit you in the ring it's hard to pin you down for an interview so I appreciate that by the way did we cut the hair or is it just tucked into the hat oh no you know it goes camp mode I ain't got a hair cut right now but I'm fine now I'll make sure I look sharp okay I'd love to take just a few steps back

if we can because like I said it's been a minute your last fight was against Liam Cameron what did you learn about yourself and about the fight game after those two fights. You get one back, you win, you move on with your life. But from that experience, what did you learn? I learned a lot, really, more about life. The way I blew up on the internet was real quick.

And the way it can come crashing down can come real quick as well. So for me, it was don't really get lost in it. Just live in there now, work hard, and just focus on the small people around you, you know. And that's what I've been doing is just trying to work hard. I've got a new coach, Andy Lee, and everything's going great at the moment. The Andy Lee link-up, did that come after the second Cameron fight? It came from the first one, so he was in camp for that.

Great performance. And then we've moved on now, we're into our second fight together. But luckily enough, I was with Sugar Hill, and they both read off the same hymn sheet, really. They both come from the same school, and both from the Crunk School. so it's a good link of. After the fight in October against Liam, which obviously didn't go as planned, did you feel a little bit surprised

that how many people seem to sort of like revel at your supposed demise, how many people were relishing, you slipping up, so to speak? It's one of those things, I suppose, when you're doing well, people always want to see someone fall to the knees and sadly, that's the way of the world,

that's the way of life, But for me, it was very humbling and I needed it at that moment because, like I said, I came up so quick. Everything was happening that's never happened before. I've literally came from my house. My mom worked two jobs. Dad worked two jobs. I had everything at my feet.

And that little setback made me hungry again. It made me just realize that the sport is real. And if you don't switch on or be focused, it can go like that. So for me, I needed it. And I'd rather have it then than later in my career. Did that change the way, I don't know, know, you consume media, social media. Do you not listen to things?

Do you not read things? Any habits change after all that? Yeah, of course. Like you said, I only speak to a select few now. So I thought give you my time and I did it with the ring the other day. But I don't really talk to a lot of people now because it's come and go. But we spoke before. You're a great person.

And Nung and Forrest are doing well as well. Oh, yes. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yes. Huge win. You see that win on Sunday? Or no, it was Saturday.

It's Liverpool. Playing good. You're playing a lot better than Tottenham. Yes. I know. It was a tough one for you guys this weekend as well. Yeah, I know. I know.

You come over to the dark side. Your boys with some of the Nottingham Forest guys, right? Yeah, I'm good friends with Hudson Adai. Morgan Gibbs. Yes. He could have come to us, actually. I know. That was a weird one, by the way.

I don't know what happened there with the owner. I don't know. We don't need to get into that, but that seemed like it was fetter complete, and then all of a sudden he was back. in the fight in April did you know in the back of your mind when it was over

that that was going to be your last fight with boxer there's always it was on the back of my mind of course but for me it was just go out there and win go out there and perform

and just write the rungs the most annoying thing was I should have done what I did in the second fight in the first fight and it's all down to me really so just to write that rung was good I knew on paper

it would be my last fight I gave everybody opportunity to her come with what I needed and Matron did so here we are now and by the way when you say that when you say I should have done in the first fight what I did in the second

what do you mean by that what should you have done in the first fight got him up out of there like I did I just went out there professional this time no messing around no distractions in the camp and it showed what type of fighter I am when I turn up right

the first round was nice and easy and I got him out there in a second so a bit of a nuisance from my side because something like that shouldn't have happened, but it's happened now, I've learned from it, I mean, move on. Ultimately, why did you decide to go with Matcham? Why did you sign with Eddie and the team? They've been there and done it before.

They've took people to the heights. They know how to root a fighter well. They know how to get him the right fights at the right time. They've got good connections. And if I don't like to speak, Eddie and Franken speak well. So for me, it was the great move for me at the right time on my career. What Boxer did for me at the time was great, but I feel like the move was needed, and it's a great move for me. Eddie told us on the program a couple months ago that you guys even shot a promo when you were turning pro.

You were that close to signing, and then after shooting at 11th hour, you called them up and said you were deciding to go with Boxer. Could you tell us your side of that story? Did that in fact happen? It actually did, so I went down there with my manager and stuff, took the pictures, did the sit-down interview, They sent over what he would look like, told us what day they was going to announce it. And then sadly, when he talks, Boxer Ben Shalom came through with a heavy bag and it's something I couldn't turn down. Man. And how did he take that?

How did he react when you told him that? Of course, it was probably annoying just to know we're so close. But we kind of knew down the line would come together again. And he held out, I did what I did on the other side. He's done what he did on the other side. And we've come together now. and Saturday is the first of many. Was it down to him versus Boxer,

or were you talking to other promotional companies too? Yeah, I was very fortunate. I was talking to everyone. Some people state side, people at home. And that's luckily where I am. I can talk to a lot of people. But for me, it just made sense. He's got the global appeal.

I can go around the world. I can find the UK. I'm under his own. So for me, it made sense. at any point in the in the time with boxer did you feel like man should I have gone with match room like did you ever regret the decision not really no everything was moving the way it should have moved at the end of the day my platform was getting big I was performing well when I needed to perform well

but at the end of the day I've got a lot of fans stay at side and they couldn't really do that for me where Eddie earned cancer that's what I'm looking forward to do Ben Shalom I'd love to get your thoughts on him and your experience working with him. He's somewhat polarizing in the game. How do you feel about him now? And how would you describe your experience with him as your promoter? For me, never a bad word about him at the end of the day. He's coming to the game young. He's done well. And you have to think boxing is a, it's a tough game. It's a dog-e-dog game. And for me, sometimes he was too nice. He was like too honest. And that honest sometimes stabbed him in the back. But for me,

You did all he could, but sometimes when you got someone at my level, he just couldn't take me to the next level, and that's where Eddie earned can. When you relayed the message or your team relayed the message that you were signing with Eddie, how did he take it? Yeah, that's why you have to pay good for your manager and lawyer. I passed it over to them and just let them deal with it, and I concentrated on the training, but I'm sure it didn't go down the best. Have you spoken to him since?

No, I haven't. it's a bit awkward to obviously pop up and start talking about, but he knows there's no bad blood. It's just at the end of the day you get one career. And for me, I've got a move on with mine and hopefully whatever he does, it goes well. Yeah, because I mean, to be honest, I thought it was a huge blow to Boxer

because I thought that you were their biggest star and most recognizable name, especially here stateside. You were getting so much attention. And so I felt like in the midst of them trying to find a new TV home losing you was a really tough blow. So I would imagine it might have been a bitter pill to swallow for Ben.

Yeah, of course. And that's what it was. If I wanted to delay my career and wait to see what they was doing, I could have done that. But at the end of the day, time waits for nobody. I'm not getting any younger. And Eddie earned, like I said, he had the platform ready. He had the fights ready.

I said, let's do it. I jumped ship, and here we are. As fate would have it, their first BBC shows, was the same night as your show. How do you feel about that? Yeah, the world's a funny place, isn't it? I know they had a fight. You scheduled a couple of weeks or so before.

Some mystery happened with an injury. Now it's on my night. But all I can do is focus on me. The person who's fighting, Fraser Clark headline, it's a good friend of mine. We both went to the Olympics together. We both got a medal together. So for me, as long as he wins and gets the job done,

I'm happy for him. but people know where to tune in. You're the ones I'm into doing it. Do you think that they moved the date to go head to head with you? Maybe so, but it won't be good for them because, you know, I'm the man that brings a view. But for me, it's just lucking on my fight, get the win. That's all that matters for me.

But hopefully it goes well for them. A lot of people sort of fell in love with you and were introduced to you as a fighter, given your unique style, the showmanship, the showboating, whatever you want to call it, After the Cameron experience has come and gone, are you going to remain the same type of fighter? Or now with Andy firmly in your corner, are you going to be a little bit more conservative, for lack of a better word? Funny enough, when I got to Andy, he said I love it. Do not change because that's what makes you special. I don't know if you can name any, but I don't know any light heavy weights, six foot three that can move like me.

So that's very unique in itself. So he said, don't lose that at all. But what we've been drilling is the basics, basics, day in, day out. And the basic can take you around the world. And then when I add my little bit of flare, that's what the fans like to see. But of course, you need to take it fight by fight because it'll work against some people. It won't work against some. So it's just down to me to know when to use it and when not to.

When people say like, oh, you know, and again, the British, I feel like a lot of it comes from the British media where they're like, oh, you know, you have to be a little bit more humble. You can't be such a showman. You can't be such a hot dog, whatever. And to me, it's great. It's like, we want to be entertained. We want to be fun. If you're winning, you're winning.

Who cares? And I feel like a lot of that criticism comes from them, as opposed to here, stateside, you're beloved. When you hear that stuff, does it get annoying? Do you feel like you're underappreciated? Does it get under your skin? Yeah, it's a little annoying because, like you said, it's an entertainment sport.

And to go out there and do what I'm doing. It is hard. I could easily keep it nice and simple and basic. but I like to do something different and you're hitting in the head it's always the UK fans for some reason when I come out to stateside

they love it we want to see more of it come to America that's what they always say but you can't please everybody as long as I'm getting the win that's all that matters how close do you think you are

to fighting here in the States well next year hopefully that's why it's lucky like get through this one get that W and then you'll see me out there we'll have to come into the office and do a route. Oh, that would be tremendous.

Yes, please come. That would be amazing. And, okay, so now, you know, with this one, have you already, like, have you planned something out with Eddie? Like, how far, how far long do you guys go? Do you go, like, two fights, three fights? What does he present to you? What is the magic of Eddie Hearn when he presents you the plan? Yeah, so they come with, like, a couple of fights, of course.

But I'm no idea. If you don't win the first one or the second one, there's no plan. So for me, it's take each fight as it comes, go out there, look good while doing it and get the victory. But next year, hopefully a busy year, three to four fights, and one of them will be in America. Okay, Benjamin Gavazi, your opponent this weekend from Germany, how much do you know about him and what do you have to be careful when considering that you're fighting him this weekend? Yeah, when you find a fighter like this, it's their chance. It's their chance to change the life, and he's had 20 fights, he's only lost one.

and when they've got that hunger they can be dangerous because they know they've got nothing to lose but it's down to me to obviously come out there focused, treat it like a world title fight

and go about it accordingly and that's what I'll do. This fight taking place in Birmingham which is not too far from where you're from Wolverhampton that's it

yeah right down the road yeah by the way why aren't you a wolf's fan oh well you know what I actually kind of am so my dad works at the wolves really They're like my second team

And then my dad is a full Full-fledged Tottenham fan So when Wolves are doing well We like walls When Tottenham are doing well You can't be a plastic fan like that You can't go back and forth Yeah we can because

At the end of the day You make up the rules Yeah They're about to get They're about to get relegated it seems Exactly So then I put my whole Hope and Joy into Tottenham

Then you see what they do So it is I'll end up with you man When you come to the UK Let's go let's go I would love it over at the city ground

what does your dad do for the wolves he works in the tunnel so he looks after the players and he says he looked after the players he just eats the sandwiches and takes a t-shirts that's amazing

so how far is that from where this venue is this weekend oh probably like 20 minute drive so not so this is like a proper home game for you if you will yeah yeah like where we find is 20 minutes so

we kind of classic Not home, but it is home. And it's good to be home. Like, where I'm at right now, I'm familiar with it. I know all the shops and all the things like that. And it makes you a better fight when you're happy like that. But the good thing is from our background, I've traveled as an amateur. I've traveled all around the world.

And I like doing that too. How far away do you think you are from the big stadium shows? You know, the UK boxing scene is on fire right now, a couple of year at least. Obviously, you're not there quite yet, but how far away do you think you are? Yeah, I'm not far at all. Skill-wise, I'm definitely there, but of course I need to get experience under my belt. But I'm in a great position where AJ's coming to a position in his career

where he won't have much, many fights left, I mean. Same with Tyson Fury. You've got Conner Ben now starting to do it. And there's no one else really there that can fill the gap, I don't think. So if I do things right, keep winning and performing. I can be that next person. You mentioned Light Heavyweight this past weekend we saw David Benavides compete. What did you think of his performance?

great performance he did what he was supposed to do he was pillar to post he was from punches nonstop and it was funny a couple of weeks ago he mentioned me in an interview saying me and him would be a great fight down the line so it shows I'm doing something right if they're mentioning me already wow that is incredible he did say though that he's going to move up to fight Zerda Ramirez are you surprised yeah I'm surprised I would like to see that fight with Jayapatae yeah he's my brother

I think he deserves that fight. By the end of the day, what Benavides is doing is great. He's jumping through the weights. He's creating his own legacy, and he's looking for the big fights. And if he gets the belts there, you have to pat him on the back and say, congratulations. And I'd love to see him fight Dimitri Bivel at 175 and then see Zerdo fight Jai. Who do you think we'll win right now? Bivel or Benavides?

Oh, he put me on the spot. I like Bivel. I think he can do a bit of both. he can fight, he can box. But the relentlessness, the relentlessness from Bibles, I mean, Benavides is crazy. But I'd say unanimous points by Bivel. Okay, all right. Yeah, I mean, he is a veteran.

He's incredible. By the way, you mentioned Andy Lee. I love his team. It's a very select few, it seems like. Hamza Shiras, Patty Donovan, yourself, Joseph Parker. It seems like those are the main four. Am I missing someone? Yeah they're the main four

We've got like other guys in the gym That train with us and look after us And things like that but that's the main four And it's a good four to be around What are the vibes? What are the vibes there? Four great fighters And he's a former great fighter

Turn great trainer What are the vibes at the gym? Yeah the great vibes Like I said everybody's in a position Where we all want to get better Especially myself I'm a compare So if they're doing like two punches on the bag I try and make sure I do four

If they do four I make sure I do six and that's how you create champions you know you always want to do better than the other you're always active so when I'm fighting Paddy will be fighting next and maybe Hamza so we're always back to bat like that and you never want to lose really

you always want to win so that's what it's good as well two last quick things Molly McCann is fighting on this card former UFC fighter did you see her matchroom debut and if so what did you you saw it? Yeah that was crazy yeah the kick was crazy I thought you would have thought the kick would have come from her, the former UFC fighter, but yeah, that was a wild one.

That was crazy. And the thing is, I don't get how the referee didn't see it. Yeah. But the good thing is she didn't take her down and start ground apart. That's right. That's right. What do you think about her skills so far? She's actually good.

She's good stand-up. I think that was her main thing. In the UFC, when I watched her fight, a stand-up was the best. And I do think she had a, she said she had a bit of history in boxing. She won a national champion. So you can tell she's boxed before and she looks good. And then the big news coming out of the UK this past week, Anthony Joshua fighting Jake Paul. Are you surprised that he is taking this fight?

You have to say to Jake, congratulations, man, for the confidence he has. To go from Jvant A. Davis, to me, he's got great skill, good power, but he was too small. And to go to an AJ, it's crazy. But I like what he's doing for the sport. hopefully it does happen we won't know until they're both in the ring but hopefully it happens and hopefully they're getting paid well

again some of these curmudgins overseas they say that AJ is ruining his legacy by even engaging in this fight do you do you think that there's anything to that? Yeah I seen a piece what you said I think you hit the nail on the head I don't think so I think he's good for the sport

what he's done look look who he's for AJ even his fight that he just lost it was against a young Dan Dubois who's fighting people like Yusick and things so for me everyone else

he's doing it why can't he do it he's making some money it's an active fight for him then after that he'll come back to the sport

and what Jake's doing as well he's doing great he's not like he's fighting idiots he's fighting ex-UFC champions or good boxes

so for me congratulations to both what do you think happens cool if it's anything like the Engarnu fight I don't think the need good

paramedics. But Jake keeps surprising everybody. He might have a screw loose. He's doing his thing. But I just think that AJ will be a bit too much of a push. Ex-Olympic gold medalist, ex-world champion, still in decent form. It's a lot to us. And by the way, we mentioned football a couple of times here. I'm just curious. You know, this Jude Bellingham story is, to me, a fascinating one over in the UK. Have you been paying attention to it at all, some of the criticism that he's received. And then Ian Wright speaking up on his behalf. And I'm wondering if you have any take on how he's treated by the media over there. Yeah, it's one of those things. I don't know if it's just UK media, but when someone's

doing well, you always want to rain on the parade, sadly. But at the end of the day, he's young, he's doing great. The position is in. A lot of kids would look to be there. So for him, he just needs to block out the noise and focus on himself. And sadly, that's life. When you're doing well, but you don't like it. You say that, I think, coming from a place of experience. This is reminiscent of what you just dealt with. That storm has now passed onto Greener Pastures.

Big promotional debut this Saturday. Can't wait for it, Ben. Really appreciate your time. There's the poster. Check it out this Saturday from Birmingham on the zone. The big matchroom debut of Ben Whitaker. Must see TV. Anytime you fight, we are tuning in.

Can't wait for it. And don't be a stranger, okay? Don't make it so long in between chats, all right? Thanks for your time, as always. You're a very positive guy. Love your energy, and I'll see you soon after I beat this boy up, man. Can't wait. Thank you, Ben.

All the best and good luck. Take care. There he is. The surgeon, Ben Whitaker, who we presume will carve up his opponent on Saturday. I think that him and Eddie Hearn are a match made in heaven. He can speak. He's charismatic. He's got a great...

I mean, the vibe, the dancing, all that stuff. But to have Eddie in his corner, in my opinion, the best boxing promoter right now, you know, gift the gab, doing the interviews, on the microphone, all that stuff. I do believe that this is going to be a tremendous, a tremendous pairing. So that goes down this Saturday. And yes, the one and only, Molly McCann on the card, her second fight under the matchroom umbrella. Going up against Ebony Cotton, 1-0 versus 1-0 at 126 pounds, 6, 2-minute rounds. So I do believe our good friend Lou DeBello would be very happy about that.

Two minutes, not three minutes, okay? In a matter of moments, my friends, we're going to be joined by Carlos Parchas, the nightmare coming off that incredible win over Leon Edwards. words first knockout or TKO loss of Leon's career. And it's been a great bounce back for him in the second half of the year. Remember, first half of the year, he fights Ian Gary on short notice. That fight doesn't go his way. Everyone's celebrating the demise of Carlos Prachas and the fighting nerds and blah,

blah, blah, blah, blah, comes back, knocks out Jeff Neal with the spinning back elbow and then knocks out Leon Edwards at Madison Square Garden. Unbelievable. And now very much in the mix. And now, what do we say? He's like four or five or something? He's something like that. I think he's four or five in the, in the welterweight division.

I think he's five. Yeah, he's six. He's six, actually. I'm below Mohammed. Speaking of the welterweight division, Ilya doing an interview in Spanish talking about his plans of moving up to the Walterweight Division. Here it is.

Oh, we don't have it. Well, we got rid of it. No, I don't think so. I said I was going to read it. All right, I guess we don't have it. Anyway, he was talking about his plans of moving up to 170 and saying first he wants the patty fight, then he wants to move up to 170 to fight Islam, did not say Armin. And then Armin tweeted about it saying that he was, what do he say?

He called him El Pato or something, right? saying that he was, what did he say? It made the duck. Yeah, but what did he say? What was his tweet, Armand? He said something like, um, he said something like,

could it be any more obvious that El Pato is doing everything in his power to avoid fighting me? Ilya said, I'd like to fight Patty if they don't let me move up to Walter Waite to fight Islam

because the fight I'd really like is against Islam in the third way class. It still bugs me that we didn't get to say goodbye to Armin. I tried texting him, but I didn't hear back. But anyway, is what it is. In about 30 minutes' time, we'll be joined by Hanata Moikano.

But for now, let us go to one of the top contenders in the UFC's Walterweight Division coming off that massive win over Leon Edwards in New York a little over a week or so ago. Very much in the mix right now, he is The Nightmare, Carlos Pratchez, kind enough to join us on this Tuesday evening. Yes, there he is.

What's up, Carlos? How are you, my man? I'm good, bro. How are you doing? I'm doing great. Are you still, I feel like you're still celebrating New York, the victory, the vibes. Yeah, yeah. Now I'm back to train today.

You know, I come to sparring and the gym, train a little bit, sweat a little bit. But, yeah, end of the year. You know, now we're going to have Christmas. Yes. New Year's parties. So time to enjoy that time. Life is good, right? Yeah, life is amazing.

Did you like New York? Yeah, yeah. It was pretty nice city. First time I went there and I came to age you back there. Yeah, what did you like most about it? I like the, how can say the style of the city. Also, I like the food on the streets, you know. What was the best food?

You had pizza? You had hot dogs? Yeah, I like him hot dogs, kebabs also Yes, yes, yes, okay I saw afterwards you were celebrating your Because even when I was talking to your manager He's like, no, no, no, you're not going to hear from Carlos for a couple of days because he's enjoying New York

And then he's making it to the plane You don't even go to sleep, huh? After fight? Yeah No, I just sleep on the When I was flying to Brazil That's incredible. What about fighting in Madison Square Garden?

Did it feel different to you? Did you feel the aura? Did you feel the history? What was that experience like? I feel like the history, you know? A lot of people's there. Like, it's like the mecca of the fights or the combat sports. You know, Mohammed Ali fought there, John Jones, Mike Tyson, and now Kars Brats.

So I was really happy to fight there. I have to ask. So the fight was a very entertaining fight. In the first round, it seemed like Leon, okay. you know, he's having success, but there's the shot of him, you know, he's on your back and he's punching you and you're just completely unbothered by it. Like the look on your face is like, I could not care less about any of this. What is going on in your mind as he is, you know, he's on your back, he's got the hooks in there, and he's punching you and you're making

that face? Bro, you know, I train a lot of grappling. I think now I train more grappling than striking. And also, like I said, I trained with Kyle Borhalio. He did that position with me many times, you know, Kyo is much better grappler, much heavier than Leon. So I was pretty calm there, you know. I was like he, okay, he don't want to submit me. He don't want to make me tap.

I just need to make his leg get tired and then he give up the position, you know. Were you surprised by the game plan? No. I expected already he would try to take me down. Because he didn't want to strike with you? Bro, I think nobody won't. Yeah. You know?

But I think so. I think he was trying to do a security fight, you know, like on the really good way, like he don't get any risks, you know, because he come already from two loss on the streak. So I think he was like, I need to win them. I don't try knock me out or do striking or something like that.

The knockout of Jeff Neal was incredible and significant, but because Leon is a former UFC champion he too had never been knocked out before. Does this one mean more to you? Yeah, for sure, for sure. I think it's a former UFC champion is much better.

It's put me pretty close up the title shot so it was more important. Can you tell us what that moment feels like when you land that big right hand and you knock him down and he's out cold

his eyes were open looking up at the sky and then you do this were you doing that to Alex by the way? Yeah, yeah because he was there I saw him

and then I did to him but Alex is like a really good friend you know it's really nice to all the time meet him, you know, talk with him, get a good energy from him, from him. And I was really happy, bro.

I think I was happy, like all the fights, you know, not more happy or less happy. I just was really happy because I worked so hard for this fight. Sometimes I had three training sessions per day, you know, and then I went there and knocking out. Now I can't wait to back to the octagon and fight somebody again. Is it true after the fight you asked Dana White to get into the cage

to face off with the winner of Islam and JDM? Yeah. And what do he say? He said, let's see because it's going to be like the moment of the champion, don't want to borrow the champion, you know, like he

disturbed the champion and things like But of course, he said that because I think we don't know who's going to first fight for the title. So, you know, so I think that's why. Were you surprised with how the fight between Islam and JDM went? Were you surprised that it was so one-sided? No. No. No.

How come? Sorry? How come? Why were you not surprised? I was surprised it was so one-sided. How come you were not? Really? Why you were surprised it? Because I think J.D.M. is a really good fighter.

I'm not saying I was surprised that Islam won, but I was surprised it was so one-sided. J-D-M did well against Bilal, kept the fight standing for the most part in May, and so I thought that he would have greater success keeping the fight standing. I know Islam is better than Balal, a different fighter, but I just was surprised it was so one-sided. Yeah, but when he got the first takedown, like I was thinking, like I thought he would fight better, know, defense better, takedowns, but I don't say, like, defense better, like, have a better defense of takedowns, but I would say, try to get up, you know, like, better, you know, and it didn't happen.

So, like, I was thinking about two ways the fight goes, like, or Makashav, stay on the ground, finishing him or, like, hug him for 25 minutes. or you take it down and GDM get up all the time Yeah and so at the end of the day When you look at that fight

To you, was the takeaway more What Islam did or what JDM didn't do? I think Islam Okay And you and Islam have developed a nice little relationship with the Nutella and the And the cigarettes It seems like there's a fun little vibe between you two

Yeah, you know, he's a nice guy He's a nice guy All the time he meets me He like he say hi He shake my hands He's a great champ You know Not many people's got two

World titles from FC on two Weight Class and he did it So our respect to him You know I have no reason to me For disrespect this guy And also I think he have no reason for He don't respect me You know, and two men, if he fights, it's just work, you know, just make money to take care about our family and things like that.

So, yeah, he's a nice guy. By the way, right after your fight was Michael Morales and Sean Brady, what did you think of that? Were you surprised by that result? No, no. Morales is bigger than, much bigger than Sean Brady, you know. he's wrestler so I thought like he would be a hard night to Sean Brady

and he got to knock it out did you watch the Ian Gary below Muhammad fight this past weekend yeah yeah what did you think was a really good way you know really good way

Ian Gary did a really good job but again went by the season decisions, you know, like people don't like that, people don't pay ticket toward that, but it is what it is. Ian Gary says now he is the number one contender. He should fight for the belt next. Do you agree? I agree, I agree. But we know UFC's business, UFC's entertainment. So if you ask for the people, I think most of people, want to see Carlos Bratz against Makashav.

Okay. It's not my fault. It's not my bad. I just step on the cage and knock people out. So, you know, it's business. You know, many times. I think when JGM fought for the belt, he was number four on the rank or number five, something like that. Yeah.

And he beat only Gilbert Burns. So what do you think? Do you think there's a chance you'll be next? Yeah, of course. I think. To be honest, I think. But if it's done happening, it's okay. I can fight against GGM and then go to the belt also. Have you or your team heard from the UFC? Because they have many options now. And even we spoke earlier to Shafkat Rahmanov earlier in the day. And he said he's ready to go and he said that he would love and thinks he should be next. But also he said if he's not next, he's happy to fight any of the top contenders. And he mentioned your name as well. And so what do you think the UFC is going to do? Do you have any sort of idea? I don't know. Camaro won the fights for the belt, you know.

Also, Camaro and Makashav, they have the semi-manager. So let's see how it's going to work. But also, he's number nine on the rank. But also, he's the goat of the World Trade Division. Nah, come away, first of all, first of all, he ain't no goat of the weld. Have you heard of a guy named George St. Pierre? I know that guy, but I prefer Camaro.

Nah, come on, Carlo. What are you talking about? How? I prefer. I like more his style. Yeah, but in terms of like the results, in terms of the wins, the title defenses, it's not even close. No, I like more Camaro.

Wow, Carlos, really. You think Camaro is the greatest welterweight champion of all time over GSP? Yeah. Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay. Yeah, because GSTP is like sometimes boring, you know, just too much wrestling, wrestling, and you know but Kamar Usma

I have a wrestling power really good hands so I like it I like it I prefer Kamaru so you would be okay if Kamaro gets

the title shot against Islam next of course no I would be sad because I won the title shot against yeah do you think he is deserving

though as you as you say he's the goat in your opinion do you think he is deserving no no I don't I don't think

I don't think he's deserved but also like I said he's the goat for me he's the goat you know so like he i think if we choose who deserve it i think it's it's hard to it's a tough one right probably shuff cut no because shuff cut beat i okay yeah but shuff cut so long so long for without fight yeah one year and then okay i cannot i i i don't deserve fight for the belt because i lose to y and gary you know but y and gary

I also don't deserve the serve fight for the belt because after one against me and Bella Mohammed, he lost to Shavikad, you know? And also,

Morales, not too much people talk about Morales for fight for the belt. And also, Shavikat is undefeated, but almost two years without fight. I don't know, bro. I don't know.

So maybe... I'm not, I'm not mentioned. maker from UFC, but if I would, I would choose Carlos Bratz because he's not people out, people's like him, you know, and that's it. Maybe the answer is Ili Tuporia. I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, it would be really bored if his long fight to Porea, you know, but we need to think about that also sure there's so many people that want this uh this islam fight the one name like the

one matchup that i keep hearing carlos that people want to see i think a lot of people would be okay with you fighting for the belt but it seems like everyone wants to see you versus michael morales because you're two explosive strikers yeah how do you feel about that yeah i'm okay i'm okay I'm in to fight Morales, Jake de la Madalena whoever UFC give me

I'm going to fight, you know. Of course, like I said, I want to fight for the belt, but if I need to do one more, let's go. Yeah, so you're not saying no to anything. You obviously, everyone wants to fight for the belt, but you say yes to everyone. Yeah. You versus Michael Morales would be fun.

Yeah. That guy is a beast. I think maybe, probably may avenge of some fight night. Yes, yes. It's Deadpool versus Spider-Man. Yeah. You know, the Deadpool is the most stronger mutant, you know? Is that true?

Yeah, because he can stop the reality. He can stop the time and go to another reality. You know, that's one of his power. Is that why? Yeah, that's the most strong. Your Instagram picture is Deadpool. Why is that? Because I really like Deadpool.

Okay, yeah, there you are. And by the way, parabenz, one million followers. Thank you, bro. Thanks so much. That's incredible, right? Did you ever think you would have that many followers? To be honest, no. Or maybe, yes, some point of my career, some point of my UFC career.

But I thought it would get more time, you know, not so. fast. Do you feel like your performance, again, you know, everyone always is lumping the fighting nerds guys together, but you're having such success that it took maybe a little bit of the pressure away, a little bit of the heat away from the team after the fights in September? I don't think so because they don't have pressure, you know. We do what we love, we do because we want, you know, we don't need to, we don't have pressure, don't have anything like this.

Like, I have between, no, I have to do what I love. I have to do what I like to do, train, and that's it. You don't view it that way. You don't listen to all that other stuff. No, no. That's impressive, because I feel like a lot of people do. Or maybe it's just us in the media that listen to it. Yeah, bro, but, you know, like I said, some interviews before,

I fought many bad situations. I fought sick. I fought with my hand broken. I fought to pay my bills. I fought on really dangerous place. You know, now fighting my FC, go get my flight. Really nice flight, really nice hotel, really nice city. Mattosk, I'm sorry, guy.

Bro, it's not pressure. Is it true you're eating Nutella cake on Fight Week? Yeah. that's unbelievable you don't have to cut a lot of weight yeah by the way by the way my nutritionist didn't like that you know okay because everybody like carlos nutritionist let him eat a nutella cake of course he don't let me eat Nutella cake you know but it was on the table and I was really hungry and I said I'm gonna get some is it is it easy for you to cut to 170 now it's a little bit harder than before before I was like your

81 kilos, you know. Before fighting, my normally weight is like 81, 82. And then before fighting, I was like trying to get more weight, you know, get more heavier. Oh? I'll quit my nutrition is, and then I was to 90 kilos.

But I'm kind of guy like I'm not natural seven, eight, six. So for two, you know, I don't like cut weight, but it's not too hard. Okay. Never to the point where you would consider going to 155, right? Oh, might have lost them. Can you hear me, Carl? Can you hear me?

Yeah. Yeah, no, I can. I was saying never to the point where you would consider going to 155, right? no no no i'm okay i'm okay i'm okay okay 170 it's okay okay what about 85 no so i'm not heavy i'm not heavy to fight uh 170 so 185 it's it's it's too much for me that's right that's right um all right So in a perfect world for you, when do you return? Good question. Good question.

I back to train already. I don't know, bro. When UFC won, probably after 5th, February, because I want to enjoy Carnival in Brazil. Oh, yeah. But if not, I'm okay. I'm always training. I'm always ready to fight. I feel like the way you're answering this question, I feel like you know the answer to the question.

You just don't want to say it. No, no, no. I really, I don't know. I really, I don't know. I almost fought 30 December. Some grappling event, some grappling show asking me to fight Tsarukia. Wow. But UFC, yeah, UFC don't let me fight.

I say yes, but UFC don't let me fight. So I don't want to fight like in January Because I want to enjoy my new year party Yeah So after February maybe That would be fun You versus Armine in a grappling match Yeah, it would be cool, you know

But UFC saying no Okay And so I just want to enjoy My new year party Maybe carnival in Brazil And then back to the fight. But I'm keeping training, having party,

having enjoyed the life, I keep training, training hard, training all the time. Can you tell me, how does Carlos Prachas celebrate New Year? Like, when you say party, like what do you do? How do you celebrate? Probably I go, I go to to like Yubatuba City,

is close of my city, is on the beach. And there, like, since 27 December to 31, we have like like many, I can say, happy concerts, you know? Okay. Yeah, really famous emacies that I like in Brazil. They're going to bring it to that city so I can go every day to New Year and then after

new year, rest first January, second January, and then back to the real life. And then Carnival, I've never experienced Carnival. How do you, how do you, how do you celebrate carnival? That's end of February, right? Yeah, bro, you should come to Brazil, bro, to enjoy carnival. I would love nothing more. It's really nice. I like to enjoy carnival.

It's not a big city. Like, in small cities, old cities, you know, because carnival is, like, really cultural in that cities, you know? Okay. It's not like, I don't like carnival in Rio or Bahia, like many people can see on TV, you know. I like carnivals in, like, in some. side of states, like really small cities, Carnival is much better. You know, I always thought Carnival was just in Rio, so every state, every city in Brazil

has its own version. Real, Brazil is top, and then you can have a party every week, every city in Brazil. Wow. Every city, they do their own party, you know, of Carnival. But like the most famous because come a lot of tourists is Rio and Bahia, but there is not nice. I don't like Carnival there. I like like in Minas Gerais, small cities, like cities with a lot of histories, important histories in Brazil.

Which would be the best one in your opinion? Which is the number one that you've experienced? Like, Oro Preto. It's like it means black gold in Minasera's state. Okay, and what do you do there? How do you celebrate it? Like what's the custom? It's like carnival on the street.

to know, not like schools of Samba going to Avenue. You know, it's like on the city people sing the music like famous in Carnival, a lot of drinking, a lot of party,

you know, everybody happy. Oh man. Do they play mash? Yeah. Yeah. I love that song. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's my only. Yeah, a Brazilian song that I know. I see the soccer players doing it. There was once a commercial with all the soccer players in the airport. Jogo Bonita or something, right?

Joga Bonito, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I love that. You see, I know, I know what I'm talking about. Yeah. When I was younger, I still like football too much, but when I was younger, like many times, I was watching Joga Bonito,

like with videos of Slata and Breivovich, Christian Ronaldo, the Brazilian team, you know, yeah. World Cup this summer. You're going to watch it? I really want. Yes. I really want to go to our stocking with my manager. I really want to go to the finals of a Weft Europe League, you know?

Oh, yeah, in Champions League. Yeah. In like June, early June. End of May. No, it's going to be May. In May this year, okay. Who's your team? Who's your club?

Corrincius Corrincius, okay Yeah That's the one Is that the one that Josealdo likes too Or is he like flamenco No, Josealdo like

Flamengo Ah, who likes Corincius Who's the famous one from Carinthius Who's the famous one from Corinthus? Anderson Silva And of course, yes, yes, yes And is that the one that Namar played for? No,

Neymar played another small team Okay, okay, okay, Not big team like 4 inches. Okay, okay. You go to the matches? Sometimes I don't go for a long time, but I really want to go to... Now we have a really true importance place, like the semifinals. So, well, the Brazilian Cup, I want to go.

Okay. I'll ask you one more thing, Carlos. If you fight Islam, he's been so good, he's been so dominant, right? How does the fight play out? How do you foresee it playing out? Well, I think he... I would try knock him out all the time when we stand up

and all the time he's going to try to take me down and I'm going to fight for get up and keep it hurting. Easy. Yeah, no secrets. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. Well, I hope it all works out. Hope we see you back in there very soon.

And for you, I hope it's a title shot. Good luck to you, my friend. Thank you, as always, for giving us the time. Felice Navidad, happy new year. How do you say? No, Felis Navidad. out of Spanish. How do you say Merry Christmas in Portuguese?

Feliz Natal. Natal, damn it. And how do you say happy new year? Feliz Ano Novo. Feliz Ano Novo? And do you celebrate Thanksgiving in Brazil or no? No, no, no. You know what that is here with the Turkey? They have that in America. Yeah. Yeah, so it's Thanksgiving on Thursday here in America.

Oh, cool. So it's top of America, yeah. Everyone, yeah. Big holiday. Huge one, because no religion. it's no religion attached to it everyone just eat be with family

watch football be happy yeah cool yeah so enjoy your holidays congratulations on the incredible win well done very happy for you

and looking forward to what's next thanks so much brother thanks so much okay obrigado parabenz there he is Carlos Parches the great Carlos Parches

kind enough to join us from Brazil I think we need to go to carnival guys oh Arias I'm in. Go, we're there, you're bluffing.

What about the time where he's telling me that he cuts weight very easily? And I'm like, oh, yeah. So would you ever consider going to 155? And Rick gets in my ear and he's like, no, I think you mean 185. No, why would it be 185? He's saying it's easy to get to 155. No, he just said it's getting harder. He just said it's getting harder to make weight.

And you're like, you ever consider going to 155? Ask him 45 next time. Let's see how easy it really is. He said the opposite. And then I said, what about 85? And then it's 85. He said, he said, Gary fight, it got harder. Yeah, but it got harder.

G.C., tell us, tell us. Who's right here? No, I actually, Rick, because he did say it's getting harder now. And then you were like, so much so that you'd go to 155? No, no, no. What logic is that? He was saying, I eat Nutella cake because it's so easy. I think he makes it so easy.

And then he said, oh, I used to walk around to 81 kilos, but now. Do you hear how he dismissed the 185? He was like, no, why would I go to 185? I'm small for 170. Pen on 55. He's for sure going to be down there soon. You guys have done it. This is all cement. For sure. It is semantics. I was happy that you chimed in because

rarely do I hear from anyone, so I was happy. Oh, sorry. Oh, you know what? Sorry. Let's interrupt your interview. We don't remember the last time we got here. Hey, Ariel. Get out of my ear. What did I say? Stop talking in my ear. When did I say? We all remember it, bro. That's literally never happened.

We have to pull the clip. We'll roll the clip. Pull it. Stop. Stop. A big hitter. of you, dude, and you ripped at your headphones. We're like, stop, not my ears. This is literally never happened. Yeah, no, I'm just making it too. Oh, no, seriously, did that ever happen?

No. Fucking hell. Of course it happened. I remember it very vividly. What happened? That would be the most unprofessional thing of broadcast. Could you imagine if I'm talking to someone and you're like, uh, by the way, it's actually 185 that would be the most?

Get the fuck out of my ear for fuck saying. I feel like the guests aren't like, someone's talking in my ear right now. Yeah, the guests aren't. heavy enough to the to how the thing goes that they wouldn't even know what the fuck's going on they'd be like

is Ariel melting down now he's so chill Carlos Pratchez right almost too chill gotta be a top five like would would be down to hang out with

oh my god yeah 100% just like a real easy going dude the only the only reason I say too chill is like he's almost like he's willing to fight

anybody and I do feel like you have to be a little more steadfast he's like yeah I'd like the title shot yeah what about Michael Marlaz

Yeah, sure, why not? See, that's what I'm like, maybe a little... What about JDM? Yeah, sure. I'm out there, too. Why not? Why not? I think he just wants to fight, man. He's a gangster.

But that's the thing. Ultimately, guys like him, the wins and losses won't mean as much. So if you try to do the math of like, oh, yeah, Ian has the win, he'll very... Not very likely, but there's a chance that he leapfrogs just because of how popular he is. Oh, 100%. If he keeps smoking cigs and knocking people out, being down to fight anyone, he'll just continue to grow on star power. And also this whole mentality he says

after he gets the win at MSG, he talks about how, you know, these people don't pay here to come watch decisions. And then you ask him about Ian Gere, and he's like, yeah, well, another decision. Yeah. People aren't paying for that. That is going to win the fans over.

Oh, my God. I mean, he's, I would say, well, okay, Islam is obviously huge. But then it's Shafkat, Morales, Carlos, Ian. Who am I missing? Kamaru, of all those guys, he's probably the most popular, would you say? Of all those guys? Of all the dudes jockeying for position? Strictly. I was going to say, bro, Shafkat's got motion online, man. He posts anything. It goes crazy. Oh, I didn't realize. What's his IG follower account? Is he over a Millie?

If you don't get... Oh, Shavka for sure. If you don't get the Kazakh flag, like, as soon as it's a Shavka post, like... Yeah, Shavka's at 1.8. Really? Yeah, yeah. Oh, I didn't expect that. tweets. It always, like, he tweeted like a congrats to Islam. It does like 40,000 likes. Do you think that's just because he comes from a part of the world that doesn't have a lot of superstars? Yes. And I think that, like, when they do have the superstars in combat sports, they go die hard for him. But do you think that the majority of his fans are from that region, as opposed to Carlos, who, like, you just like his personality, his vibe, his fighting style, and it's not necessarily Brazilian fans? I think that's a fair argument to make it. But what's the difference?

No, there's no difference. I just wonder if Carlos covers more terrain as opposed to Shafkat being a byproduct of just a part of the world that doesn't produce a lot of international stars. Is Ilya boosted by the fact that he's from Spain and Jordan? I think I think Ily is liked by a lot of people. Now, right? Like if Shavkot becomes champion, then. I'm not taking anything away from Shafkot. I'm just working on that English, too.

Like, GSP becomes what he becomes because Canada's behind him. And the same way that all these, like, this is how this goes. What about that Camaro would take? Yeah, don't agree with it, but... It's a crazy thing. If he's the go, doesn't he deserve a title shot? I started to come on board. Nah, I want the title shot.

He doesn't deserve it. How many title defenses do GSP have? Let me just get this here, right? Because, like, it's actually kind of... What was Usen? Five? Well, to reach eight... Nine successful title defenses. third most title defenses

third most consecutive title defenses in UFC history nine most successful title defenses in UFC Walter 8 history 9 most consecutive in Walter 8 Division history 9 was also an interim welterweight champion as well most wins in the Walter rate title picture so most wins in UFC

Walterweight title fights 12 most UFC welterweight title fights wins 14 second most wins in UFC title fights 13 behind John Jones I mean like it's not even a question Seriously. Now, if you want to say that he is not as exciting, in your opinion, but I don't think Camaro was like that much more exciting than George, right?

I don't know. He is. That much more? Yeah, I mean, even just the icing of Jorge Mosvital puts him under the top in that regard. But as far as greatness goes, yeah, it's not close. So what did I say? Nine for GSP? Yeah.

Nine to five. Five title defenses for Camaro, third most title fight wins in UFC. Walter Wade history. Third. There is not a world where Kamaru is greater or better than GSP. There is a world where you can like him more or he was more exciting to you. But no. Accolades wise, it's not even a debate in my... I don't think you can make an argument. What would the argument be? Exactly. Well, it seemed like he was leaning towards meaning Carlos, he was leaning towards just the fact that

you know, more exciting. But I don't think that that's what really comes into play when you're talking about the greatest of all time. I don't like this rewriting history here. To me, George is not only the greatest Welchway champion of all time. He's the greatest of all time, period. I know not a lot of people agree with that one, but I never really thought that this was a question. I see here in title defenses, he TKO'd Colby very late, 410 of the fifth round, knocked out Gilbert Burns, knocked out Jorge Mazvedal. So in three of the five, well, the Woodley one, yeah, in three of the five title fights, he got a stoppage.

And then George, George, decision, decision, decision, yeah. I mean, the TKO went over BJ Penn, the corner stoppage, the Matt Sarah. So in his run, there were only two stoppages. So I guess that's what he's referring. Still. Also, like, GSP doesn't get enough credit, as I think we discussed last week, Hendrix, Nick Diaz, Carlos Condit, Jake Shields, Josh Kostchuk, Dan Hardy, Tiago Alvas, BJ Penn, John Fitch, Matt Sear, Matt Hughes. That's not exactly. Like, I would argue that that lineup is better than the lineup that Camaro face.

Colby, Jorge, Gilbert, Jorge, Colby. Totally agree. Tyrant. Like, those are legends of the game. Yeah, for sure. So more title defenses, more wins in title fights against arguably better opposition. What are we talking about? In a matter of moments, we're going to be joined by our last guest of the day.

His name is Henato Moikano. His name came up this weekend. Unless we have him. Do we have him? No. Okay. His name came up this weekend after Dan Hooker fought and lost to Armand Sarukian in Qatar. Dan was speaking to Oscar Willis of the Mac Life, and he was talking about what's next.

Do we have this clip? All right, here's Dan Hooker talking about what's next and mentioning Henato Moikano. Boycana, you and him have been going back and forth. For ages, he called you famously a turtle and a tree, all that sort of shit. So I believe you'll have some fun with it. It's a good fight. We both suck, you know. No, we both got cooked.

You know, as I'm cooked, I'm uncooked meat. Yeah. I'll have a cook off. I love that. That's how we sell this fight. He's shit, but I'm, he's shittier than me. We're both shit. But he's shit.

I mean, it's a great way of selling the fight And I would love to see it I would love to see it So wanted to get his reaction to it And Moikano, Moikano is money on YouTube these days He is killing it As it pertains to

Oh, I screwed up, huh? Oh, I screwed up I screwed up I wrote the wrong time Did any sign of him No yesterday i wrote i wrote three and then when i was doing my quick reminders before the show um i wrote 330 for some reason rare that i do that but you know what i'm actually like slipping

a couple i think i'm getting old guys no yeah happened you know i'm the best of us yeah before the show what I do. Okay, he says he's coming on. Why did I do that? I screwed up. You know,

as the habitual screw upper on the team, it happens. He said, give me, are you the habitual scorer upper? You leave that

for you to decide. Yeah, right before the show, I'll text everyone, and I'll be like, talk to you at 3, talk to you at 3, talk to you at 2.30,

and this time I don't know why I wrote the wrong time when yesterday we agreed to three. Why did I do that? I feel like I keep making, did I make another mistake recently? I'm not used to making mistakes. No? Okay. No, when it comes to the times and the booking, oh wait, oh yes, a guest tomorrow. I can actually tell you who's on the show tomorrow and I screwed up. I gave them the wrong day. Tomorrow's program, we will have on the nose. Actually, I do

believe the, yes, the post is up right now, areahowani.substack dot com is where you can leave your questions. We'll do On the Nose at 1 o'clock top of the show. Very excited to share that the great Vinnie Rue, Vince Rousseau,

former WWE head of creative, former WCW head of creative, now working with Juggalo Championship Wrestling. I know Frank's a big fan. ACP. He He does a great job on YouTube, and, I mean, I've been watching his stuff for years. I've seen him on TV.

Like Vince Russo is a legendary figure in the world of pro wrestling. He'll join us tomorrow. Very much looking forward to that. The great Waldo Cortez Acosta going to be joining us, New York, Rick, and G.C., very excited about that booking. Alfie Davis, who is going up against Usmunder Magamadov on the first PFL card of. the year February 7th in Dubai is going to be joining us as well, the pride of the UK, and the often-imitated, never-duplicated winged sea against our better judgment is going to be joining us as well,

coming off his tough loss on the Anthony Pettis fighting championship card this weekend. What does the chat think of that? Chat, what do you think? Blowing up. They're like, Yay. That sounds like our chat. I don't see anyone.

Oh, shit, they're popping off. I actually do. I think we're a little bit delayed. Wait for it. Smiley face. Wait for it. Oh, there it is. Oh, shit.

Here comes. You see it. Go. Wing C. Okay, please. Uh-oh. R-A-H-7HS is not happy with it. I will take the batteries out of it.

The goat, yeah. Tell us, G.C., tell us about Winksey. What do you know about Winkley, man? Tell us what you know about Wingsie. I was wondering what you knew, man. Give us a little... You're interviewing him tomorrow. I was just curious what you know about him.

Give us a little background on Wigsey, a little history. Street Beefs, alumnus. Yes, yes, yes. Six and one as an amateur fighter. Half dozen in the other? Fought on APFC this week and unfortunately head kicked into the ether and then choked out, came up on the short end in this one. But he does have a couple wins this year, quite the character,

famous for his walkout where he wears wings either on his back or on his arms, and then he climbs up the cage and then does like a superhero jump landing into the octagon. Has trained with Demetrius Johnson. By the way, not for nothing. You know a lot about Wing C. Yeah, I mean, you know, got to research these guys. fought the Maple Man, some Canadian a couple weeks ago. This is actually kind of crazy how much you know about him.

He won? He fought a couple weeks ago and won? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's got several wins. He's active. Big meme guy on IG. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not really my flavor of meme, but a meme guy nonetheless. Not a big fan of Zoom I've learned.

More of a Discord guy. Is that how he asked to come on the show? Yeah. Well, we got one option for you at WC. Yeah. Can you even do video chats via Discord? Frank's the Discord and Reddit guy. Wait a second. Wait a second, Frank.

You're telling me we could accommodate this? He's going to be over the moon. He says he doesn't like Zoom. I mean, if there's a real ask, we have a real... How do you do it? How do you do it? We would just put... We would have Discord on here with the right settings, just like we do Zoom.

No, we're not doing that. I'll just tell him in his ear. You're like, hey, man, I heard you want a Discord. Hey, man. We have certain standards, procedures. Yeah, Zoom. Zoom is the bastion of good standards. Yeah, yeah, that's what I thought. I mean, honestly, I thought Discord was like, you know, where you go and chat, like a message board. You could do video?

Like where you go and have Discord. I didn't know you could have video. Can you do phone calls there, too? Is it like Skype? You can have phone calls. You could stream. It's great. Wow. All right. Zoom is for, as the kids say, old people. Wow. As the kid, really? Is that true? Yes. Zoom was like, people were like, okay, it's fine. And then COVID happened. They're like, oh, we have to use Zoom. It's like, there are other options.

Meanwhile, some 12-year-old listening to Frank talk about Discord and Zoom is like, listen to this old fuck. Like, they're on some shit that you just don't even know about. When you do interviews for other people sometimes after the show, are we using Zoom? Or are we using, I don't want to give out shoutouts? Yeah, who cares? Is there's like Riverside, Stream Yard? Also, I like how you avoid shoutouts from other companies as if we're sponsored by Zoom. Zoom isn't paying us. Wait, they're not?

Why are we using Zoom? And by the way, quite frankly, I've always felt like Zoom was the most reliable. Am I wrong about that? I didn't know what Zoom was five years ago. Yeah, I mean, most people didn't. We used to be Skype only. And then we went to ESPN and they wanted us to use FaceTime. And then, of course, we had a nightmare where everyone's phone number got exposed and that was awful.

Can you hear Rick right now? Yeah, yeah, it's good news. I swear, like, I swear sometimes it's like, hey, Natta, how are you doing, man? You might just like, framing off for me. And then other times it's like, hey, Anato, thanks so much for joining. And it's like booming throughout the country. He's got to meet their energy, you know? Sometimes they're coming in low and sometimes they're coming in hot.

I don't know. I think Zoom is good. And no one, by the way, no one has ever asked us to use something else. Although I can tell you that when I was texting with Waldo's coach about tomorrow, they said, do you want to use Stream Yard? or Zoom, and no one has ever asked me that either. So I don't know what it is about tomorrow. Last show before Thanksgiving.

Everyone's getting all crazy. Anyway, perhaps our next guest has a thought or two about this. I screwed up. I gave him the right time yesterday, and then I gave him the wrong time today. But look at this, pro. He comes on, no problem, no questions asked. He's killing it on his YouTube. His YouTube channel right now is on fire.

He's also a part of the Show Me the Money podcast. Look at this. Look at this guy. he's got the money moikano podcast the henato money moikano podcast and primarily these days speaking in portuguese on the youtube channel um so it's it's not necessarily for the likes of i but i'd love to see how well he's doing he's the great henato money moikano kind enough to join us okay they he can't hear us he can't hear us let's just go to moikano right now and say hello to him there he is hello henato how are you what's up harryo i'm sorry i gave you wrong time yesterday wrong time today so i'm sorry i probably

confused you a little bit don't worry no problem at all erio i cannot see you but that's okay i'm listening you good but i cannot see you okay i could see you just fine you look fantastic okay so let's go let's go by the way your youtube channel the the one where you're focused on portuguese stuff you're on fire these days you're killing it yeah i'm getting a good views i'm getting like i'm doing live streams and all that stuff, trying to make some money outside fighting. And I'm doing well. Thank you. Thank you for say that. Did you feel like if you focused on the Portuguese market, it would be better for you? Is that why you're doing more Portuguese these days? Yes, because the MMA media and the MMA YouTube on America, like you have big names.

You have a lot of people that have huge followers. So I thought like if I do the same thing, like in the Portuguese channel, I think that would do better because I don't have as much as competition and I think I am even funnier like in entertaining in Portuguese. It's easy for me in Portuguese. Oh, yes. I've seen a lot of your reactions, very, very fun stuff. Obviously, part of the reason why I wanted to have you this weekend was because of Dan Hooker's fight against Armin Surukin and then him mentioning your name afterwards. First, let me ask you, what did you think of the fight? And is that how you thought it was. was going to play out.

Yeah, you know, no disrespect to the hooker, you know. But he was not in the same level as Armand, the wrestling. So I knew that would be like any dimensional fight and that was, you know. The hookah did well, like on the feet on the beginning. But I think he did a huge mistake like pulling for the guillotine twice, you know. And it was just, I saw the fight playing out like that. what about the way in which he got out Armand got out of the second guillotine

where he did that like spin to get out as someone who knows the thing or two about jiu-jitsu very impressive no yeah but at the same time I think Dan Hooker did a terrible job you know because in the end of the day he had the guillotine Armand like roll like the tail

the gator roll or something like that but like if Dan was a little bit better on the grappling he would take his back you know that was a easy position to take his back or to even to have a choke over there. But I think he got a little bit confused and he let it go the guillotine and he let it go the stuff. To be honest, I never seen somebody doing a escape like that. That was a little bit confusing for me. So now Armand is very, you know, he's very vocal about wanting to be next to fight for the belt, to fight Ilya.

Do you think he should be next? Hey, Ariel, you know me, you know, I don't like how much. Sarukia that much, you know. I don't have nothing against him, you know, but to be honest, right now, he is the guy to fight for the belt. I think with the performance that he had, and if you watch his record on UFC, like, he only lost to Gunra, and that was a very, there was a very hard fight. There was a split decision, if I remember, maybe I'm mistaken, but there was a close fight, and then he lost to Makachiav on his debut, like with very short notice.

So the guy against Joel Alvarez, he did a very good job, and now he beat Charles, was a split decision too. But after that one, I think he's the number one contender. I think he should be fighting for the title next. I think there is no doubt. Like, if you're trying to see who is the best contender, I think right now, with no doubt, is Armand, you know. I think UFC is not going to have any option to put Paddy Pimblech. Paddy Pimbley is number five right now, but let's be honest. He just beat Tony Ferguson, fucking Michael Chandler,

and I don't even remember who you know, somebody, like Bobby Green, and he's number five. It doesn't make any sense to put Paddy Pimlich to fight for the belt right now, and even just engaged, you know. He won his last fight, but he lost to Max Holloway before. I think, no doubt, Armand should be fought for the title next. Who do you think wins, Armin or Ilya? I think Elia.

I think Elia Stupuria is the best fighter right now on the lightweight division. And it's going to be tough, you know, to beat Makachev because Makachev has a game like that is very boring. But it is what it is right now, like it's very hard to beat Makachev. And I think even on the pound for pounder rankings because like two belts and all that stuff. But to me, Elia Stupure is the best best fight. fighting the UFC right now, like if you talk about striking and grappling, wrestling. Makachev might be better on the grappling wrestling, but Eliotopura is a knockout artist and a grappler and a submission artist.

I think he is one of the best, and he definitely could be the greatest of all times, I think. Ilyatopura has everything together, you know? Wow. Do you think if he moved up to 170, as he is saying he wants to do very soon? he can win at 170 and beat Islam over there? I don't know if he can't beat Islam. I think that would be very hard, especially him being that small.

He's not big even for a lightweight, you know. But I don't doubt. I don't doubt him. You know, a guy that knock Volcanovsky out, knock Max Hollow out, knocks Charles Olivera out, I think he could possibly go to 170 and beat Topuria. He will not be the favorite.

For sure, he will be the underdog. but if he does that he's the greatest of all time no doubt okay those guys aside i'm sure you've seen hooker saying after the fight he wants to fight you he says the both of you suck that's that's how he put it what did you what did you think when you saw this i i just left you know that was a funny call out i think i think that was even funnier because i think at the beginning he said like uh uh hunter call him to see if everything was okay and he answered the phone say hey moikano sucks and that is something that i would do it if i was in his place you know i would say the same thing about dunhooker i think he doesn't deserve to be on the top five on the top six

and he's right i fucking suck he sucks but the only thing that he's missing out that he's way way worse than me no ground game you know doesn't have knockout power doesn't have wrestling you know and unfortunately for both of us ufc not going to not going to do this matchup, you know. I think the fans would love to watch me in the hookah fight, but I don't think UFC is making that fight. Why not? Because let's be honest, we both old,

and they probably want to feed like a young contenders prospect, you know, to get in the rankings. Right now, Dunhooker is the easiest way to get on the top of the rankings, you know? and I am number 10 too so I don't think they would do that you know I think what they will do is BSD against the hookie I think that's the move

why that's what they want because because look you guys remember what they tried to do with BSD on France they tried to put me over there so BSD could like beat me and

keep climbing on the rankings after he he lost to Dusting and then after after he lost to me, he beat a guy that nobody knows, and then he beat roughy, you know, and then his hype went up, and then he beat the other guy, and then he beat, like, uh, Benu Darius that I lost, unfortunately, brother, I'm so sad with this, with this fight, brother, I cannot believe I lost the Darius, but it is what it is. And then he's, he's young, you know, he taps into the

European market, the French, France marketing, and he's still very young. So I think they want him. They want to keep pushing him because, and he's good. Let's be honest. BSD is good and he's young. So that's why I think they will try to push him and Dan Hook. I think that's what they will do. In your opinion, you mentioned the Daryush fight that was in June. What went wrong that night? Why didn't it go your way? I'm not trying to make any excuses, you know, but now I will do the excuses okay okay i think in my mind i thought like that's going to be a easy fight you know through the whole camp i i was telling myself that man that's going to be easy motherfucker is old you know and as we we watch on the last pay-per-view card bsd against benud darush he cannot

take a punch anymore we saw that you know i think he's i probably he's close to be done with the sport i think he doesn't have the same team He's still very good, especially on the grappling, and that's what I, I underestimate him, you know, because on the first round I did okay, I knocked him down, and then on my head I say, okay, that's going to be easy. I just have to go over them, punch him again. But then he threw me a very good left hand, and then I was afraid, you know, I fell, and then I shoot for the takedown.

I was on my back to the whole second round, and that drained my energy, you know. And then a fight that I thought that would be easy was getting harder. And on the third round, I was exhausted. And I was like asking myself, I thought that fight would be easy. Why is not going my way? And then I started to doubt myself in the middle of the fight. And that's what I think, you know. But it is what it is.

A fight is always like that you think is going to be in a way and could be in another way. and I'm not taking anything from Darush. He's still good in the grappling. He still has a very good jiu-jitsu. He was never great at striking, but at least he has knock-up power. But his team durability is done. We saw that on the last fight.

That was a very short punch, and BSD got him hurt really fast. When you saw that and considering how your fight went against BSD, and I know all the fights, you know, it's MMA math, but when you saw that, did it make you feel worse about your fight? fight even worse now because you beat the guy who beat him? No, no, no, no really, no really. I don't think about, I don't think in things like that, you know. What is in the past in the past?

That is nothing that I can do to manipulate the past or to or to make myself feeling better of no, I don't, I don't think like that. I thought that BSD would win and I was just surprised. I was just surprised. It was a knockout, knock out in the first round. I was surprised that was in the first round and that fast. But I don't feel nothing about the fight. Okay.

Are you surprised at how BSD has made a comeback since 2024 when he lost it Dustin and you? Yeah, I was surprised. But I knew BSD he has that heart, you know. You cannot take this out from this guy. From his first fighting UFC against Zelensky, I don't know, the Aliseo Capoeira, Eliseo. And the welterweight, he survived three rounds of a bit down.

that was a bit down and BSD like I say on my fight when I was supposed to fight when I fought him I tell this to everybody he's very strong he's very like he's not going to give up 100% but I think he's a little bit dumb and he's underestimating me you know because I watch his fights and like when people shoot for takedowns he will say okay I'm going to put in the butterfly and I'm going to sweep. But I have been training grappling for a long, long time. And I say, there is no way that I can be on top and he sweep me like that.

I'm going to beat his ass. So it was more like a matchup, you know. I thought, man, I can really hurt BSD the way he fights. And that was what happened. But I knew that he did not give up.

He never give up. Even on the dusting fight that he lost, he was tired, but he was still going on. So I think he has a heart for fighting. Your last fight was in June. It's already almost December. Do you know when you're going to return yet? No, I don't know yet.

You know, I'm waiting for a good fight, for a good opportunity, you know. I hope he's done hookah. But who knows? Like I say, I don't know if UFC is going to do that or not. I think it's a good matchup. I think it's a four matchup. I think we both are in the rankings. but that's not how UFC operates, you know, and that's for them to decide.

But if they offer me a good fight or a bad fight, that's to me to decide, you know. Right now, I'm not too worried about fighting. I'm making a lot of money outside fighting, not only with Internet, but I have all the stuff that I'm doing, that I'm putting my money on, that I'm making money outside fighting. So I'm not too worried, you know. I love fighting. the fight the money that I make from the UFC is good but I'm 36 I'm looking to all that

stuff right now too so depends on who they offer depends on you know I'm not too I'm not to worry about coming back too fast I need to get better too you know I need to but I need to get back to training real training and let's see what UFC has to me on the next year is it is are you talking about the Bitcoin because I saw today it's going down a little bit. It's going a lot of down. What is happening here? That's good. That's good. Of course, that's good. Let me tell you some. Do you like soda? Do you like Coca-Cola? Do you like, what do you like to buy? Water, water. It's healthier. So do you like water? Sure, yeah. If the price of water comes down, you will buy more, right? Sure. This is just like Bitcoin, you know. I don't worry

too much about the market prices and fluctuation. That could be a lot of stuff, you know. Right now, on the Bitcoin community, there is a war going on with the developers. You know, they're trying to, they're trying to modify, they're trying, maybe they will do a fork. I'm not sure if they do that, but some people are confusing about the protocol. You know, they're trying to put like ordinals. They are trying to put like images inside the blockchain of the Bitcoin, and some people are very conservative about that.

So there is a war between developers on the Bitcoin right now. And the other thing is the market is very, is a little bit down nowadays because all that stuff, the tariffs and all that stuff that is going on with the world and all the uncertainties. But I'm telling you, today is 2025. I'm not worried about the Bitcoin price in 10 years. It's for sure. Bitcoin, for sure, will hit a million dollars. I don't know when.

I don't know when, but it will. You know, I have no doubt because the way countries and economy are structured right now is on debit. You can ask this to anybody that knows how money and works, money and politics works. You know, right now, USA is in almost $37 trillion, and the debt is going crazy, you know. Everybody, every country is working on a debt, and that's why Bitcoin will jump the price. So it's not about how much Bitcoin will be worth, is how much value the dollar will lose. And the dollar is the strongest currency in the world, is the reserve. But eventually, people are going to lose the faith on dollar, you know.

And that is no other currency to compete with the dollar. But even the mighty dollar will fall because the governments and economy and central banks, They simply keep printing money and the banking, the base in the value of the currency. So I'm not too worried if you understand that if you believe on the testes that Bitcoin will keep still going up. You don't have to worry about market fluctuations. You just have to buy. You just have to focus on how you want to buy. DCA, lump sum, how are you going to do, you know?

Okay. So, of course, of course, the price matters a little bit, but not in the long term, you know. So I'm still belief on this thesis. I still believe the USA is not going to get better. The economy is not going to get better. China, the economy is not going to get better. Brazil is not going to get a bit better. They will still, we still have populism.

We still have people like promising free stuff. And the value of the money will still. beat the base. So that's why I still believe in Bitcoin. This is why I love speaking to you because you give us a worldly perspective. Can I also just ask you, Kioji Horaguchi won on Saturday, and then he called out Alex Pantosha. This is an ATT versus ATT thing. How do you feel about this when you heard about it? Man, I was streaming at the time, and I was so happy because people don't know. That's the power of the UFC aerial.

So everybody that knows Kyosje, know he's a killer and he's funny and he's like a character. He's a guy that you talk to him and you love him, you know. He's a guy that's very charismatic. But fighting in like Belator, PFL or even rising, people cannot appreciate like the way he talks, the way he fights. But then he goes to the UFC for the second time and he does what he did against a really tough Dagestani fighter. and then he went on the microphone and said and say all that stuff that he did i was like uh i was laughing my ass off brother this guy is so funny and he's so likable and i think he him beating the guy the way he did and the way he walked on him on the mic i think eventually if

they make the fight will be huge for pantosia you know because uh they will be able to sell the fight they will be able to trash talk and this is going to to to be bring a little bit of visibility to the division. For sure. So I think Horiguchi is a very good asset for the UFC. And like I say, you go to his Twitter right now, he's getting like 20K likes on the post. You know, he's training right now because UFC, people don't realize what UFC can offer to you and it is visibility, you know.

Nobody can compete with him in combat sports, not only MMA, but I mean, in martial awards, you know, and I think people, fighters, they need to take advantage of that side of the business because you can make money outside, outside fighting to using the visibility that you get in UFC. So I think that's great for Pontoja. And by the way, the way Pantosja handled the stuff was great. You know, he's a, he's very humble. And he was genuinely, happily for Kiyoshi's success. And he said, okay, if he wants to fight me, of course, that would be great. Right now I have to focus on Joshua Van, but I think that will be a great fight. So that just show the character of Pantosja too.

So I'm very happy to see Kiyogi and Pantosia in the same division as much as this could be like, how do I say that this could be like a mixed feeling because they both are my friends and they both are ATTE. But I think that's great for both fighting. you know that that's great last quick thing what is your message to dan hooker ha ha dan hooker easy fucking money brother you are fucking turtle in a tree everybody wants the free ticket to the top five and let's see if they give to this old man over here i love it i love it thank you henato really appreciate it you're the man go check out the youtube channel you're doing incredible things always great to pick your

brain much love my friend thank you so much for the for the platform that you always that you always have me on your show and see you motherfuckers until next time okay there he is the great henata moikana always great to speak to him i'm being told that we do have some breaking news guys um yeah i was lamenting yesterday that our call with armanseruki and our chat it was going so well it was it was cut short unceremoniously and then we were trying to reconnect with him. And even today, I said I woke up. I was feeling like I didn't get to say goodbye. I'd love to say goodbye. I'd like to have a conclusion to my conversations with people, whether it's with top fighters or just, you know, regular people on the street. And now I have gotten word via the producer

speaking in my ear as they always do so nicely and kindly that Armin is back to say goodbye to finish the conversation. Yes. Hello, hello, hello. Hello. I'm sorry that I didn't say bye to you yesterday. Yes. I had a bad connection and my phone was dead. Let's answer a couple more questions. Okay, I appreciate it.

By the way, why every time you come on your phone dies? I don't know, bro. Because you call me so late, it's like 12 a.m., 11 p.m. And it's end of the day and my phone is always like 5, 10%. And yesterday I had 15%

because we were talking a lot and... Ah, geez. I don't know. I know. That's my fault because I keep you for too long and this is your way of saying

make it shorter, wrap it up, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Only a couple things I wanted to ask you and then I'll let you go. I did want to ask because you were right there when Hamzat and Ian Gary had their little thing. What is your perspective on what happened there?

No, Ian Gary came with the cameras and he wanted to say congratulations, but he, misbehaving and like he trying to to take some attention from Hamzad and he got it what he wanted okay do you feel like he crossed the line

he crossed the line yeah was Hamzat upset yeah he was upset because it's not good when you come and you don't know him you're not good friend with him and like punching on his back like it's not good you know and saying hi like that it's not good for our culture. I saw you... Respectful. Right.

I saw you today. You retweeted a clip of Ilya. So this is new. This is good that we're speaking, where he's speaking in Spanish in an interview, and he talked about fighting Patty and then moving up to 170. And then you responded and said that,

you know, this guy is not trying to fight me. He's not mentioning my name, all this stuff. What is your... Can I ask you, here's the tweet right here. Could it be any more obvious that El Pato, as you call him, is doing everything in his power to avoid fighting me? Tell me, what is...

your reaction when you saw this clip i mean it's always same same thing you know he's uh he wants to make easy fight and uh i'm so tired from that and uh i hope you see i'm gonna tell him hey you're not fighting with a petty people you're fighting with armand surikin don't call his name anymore is it frustrating that you have two massive fights on your hands here right You have Islam, you have Ilya, and right now it's hard to get both of them. Does that frustrate you? No, my focus is 155. It's an I want to get title here.

I'm a real 155 pound fighter, and that's why I want to be a champion here, and then defend that title as much as possible. Okay, but do you think eventually you will get the Islam fight, and can I just ask which one means more to you? Just the opponent, beating Islam or beating Ilya? Right now beating Ilya. Even though the history is with Islam? You have more of a history with Islam, right?

Yes, I do have, but he moved to 170s, and he's not going to calm down anymore. Okay. Who would mean more in terms of beating? Like, who don't you like more? Illyatopware. Why? Because he's a fake. Wow. Why do you say that?

I mean, on the real life, he behaving different on the camera. He's talking shit and like, a completely different guy. Okay. What did you have for dinner tonight? I had a barbecue. Oh, yeah? Barbecue. Yeah, big barbecue. We are on the boat with my friends. Wow. You make it yourself or someone makes for you? No, we have a chef here

He's from Russia as well And he made good barbecue Sharsliki What's that? What's that? It's a meat, meat Okay Russian Armenian meat Is this your new watch? I see you have a new watch now

A different one from yesterday No, this is all gone Oh, okay, all right One day I want to come We're going to have a meal in Russia Oh yeah We're going to have a lot of food, bro I'm invited

I'm ready Always I can't wait. I can't wait. But after, when I get the belt, we will fly to Russia. Okay, deal. On the private plane? No, no, no.

We're going to fly not private. Why, why? No, it's too long distance. It's like 16 hours non-stop. You fly commercial? Yeah, US and Dubai U.S. commercial. Okay, okay. But then once you're in the region, then you fly private.

Yeah, two hours, three hours, four hours, you can fly a jet. No problem. I can fly economic class too. Yeah, no problem. I mean, you're a regular guy. Yeah, for me, it's not a problem, so. I'm not rich like I let Tapuria flying private jets always. I put Tapuria nickname under the carpet.

Yes, I saw that. that you don't have that I don't have jet you're supposed to have jet not fake like he did like fake carpet with his name or last name and like even how you can put your last name on the carpet and everybody like stepping on that thing you don't think he owns that jet so my no way he owns that the jet why not you know how much cost that jet no No idea. Approximately, maybe 20 mil.

Serious? At least 20 mil. You don't think he's making that kind of money now? No way. No way he's making 20 mil. But no, over the course of his career. No, no. He didn't make 20 mil yet.

Maybe in a couple years. Right, right, right. By the way, last thing, since we last spoke, any news on when you might come back, anything discussed between your team? Nothing. Nothing. Maybe today we're going to have any news. Oh.

And I'll let you know. You're the man. Armand, now I can say properly goodbye. Thank you so much. Congratulations. I just don't like when it ends and we don't get a proper, you know, goodbye. Yeah, yeah. But we did it.

We did it, my man. Thank you so much. All the best. And we'll talk to you soon. You too. Bye-bye. You're the man. There he is.

The great Armat Sruki. There is. We get to say goodbye. We got to say goodbye. Is this your way of telling me I'm just taking too long? Yeah. Yes. Oh, hey, Pizzi. How are you? Good. How are you? We got to say goodbye. We get to say hello. You say goodbye and I say hello.

Hello, hello. Who's got better hair? Armin or Pizzi right now? Because I think it's neck and neck. Pizzi's is fantastic with that quaff that Armin's got is unbeatable. Yeah, he is his, he is an aura. right now, isn't he, I can't get enough. I was telling the crew while we were having lunch, I think

he might be like the one who exudes the most aura right now in the UFC. It's unbelievable. And then we had Shavka at the start of the day a different kind of vibe. What was he like, Connor? Tell us, what was he like Shavka? Oh, is he yawning? Did you watch it, Pizzi? Well, I was watching it, right? And Elaine just came

in from work, and she's watching the screen and she doesn't realize it was a translator speaking. And she's like, he's yawning, right? So he's like, She's like, how's he doing that? I was like, what? She's like, in his defense, it isn't a bit tough. She thought, she thought Zoyat's voice was talking.

Like, he thought, she thought that was, Oh, yeah, yeah. That was speaking as he was yawning. It was very, uh, ventriloquist act. In his defense, he's asked to sit through these long translations, he's sleepy. It's 10 o'clock. I don't, I don't mind the yawn. I don't mind the on.

I actually appreciated the, like, the duck off was great. But it's so funny. The yawn wasn't done yet by the time he came back. He was like, I think he was trying to tell me something. And then he was just doing the like, oh, what he's trying to eat it. That's what I felt like, oh, fuck this. If you watch closely on the watch parties, there'll be a couple of times where I do one of the. Yeah, yeah.

I'm saying it. And you just eat the yawn. You swallow the yawn without opening. It's just one of those just. Man. I'm a right out in front yon. Oh, yeah. Rick's up.

Rick, it's the bear stretch. Yeah. And then the lip-smacking out. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. I'll let you know. No, I'm not a lip-sacker. Sleepy, man, you're tired? I'm not a lip-smacker.

You have to be over 55 to do the lips-slash. I don't live-smack. Guys, what a day, huh? It's incredible. Shafcott, Devin Haney, Carlos Prachas, Hanata Moikano, Ben Whitaker, and a surprise, Armand-Turuki in appearance. And now a Pizzi cameo?

Pizzi, where you been? Just chilling, you know what I mean? in the court, waiting, just waiting. I was like, should I explode it onto the scene now when he's got the times wrong there? I was like, maybe this is my chance. Maybe this is my chance. No, it wasn't.

Alas, I was like a coiled spring here the whole time. Well, I appreciate that. We all know about your No Monday show after a fight night. I'm pretty adamant of the show. Yeah, you know what I mean? So he said, no, listen, he was like, listen, I said what I had to say, and that's that. But luckily for us, there's more to say, guys.

There's more to say. Can we weigh in on John Jones' travels to Mother Russia? John Jones, guys. Yeah, it sounds like he bought an apartment in Chechnya. Great real estate prices over there. You know, some people want a beachfront property in South Beach. Others are going to Chechnya. You wake up today and you just see a litany of content from John Jones.

I think he attended Ramzan Kadyrov's son's birthday, he said. Here's some video of John and Kadyrov doing a little wrestling training. Oh, a little knee to the stomach. Oh, oh, oh, a little Connor McGarger-Don-Taroni there. This is dirty fighting. Dirty boxing. No, no. No, you've got to do it. You've got to add that.

That's legal. Hey, tell them this is MMA, not boxing. MMA, you go boxing. This is good. Good stuff there. Petit, what do you think of that scene over there? It's weird, isn't it? Does John know what the crack there?

I don't know. I saw the tweets as well and I was like, I don't think he's aware of the situation here. Well, PT, let's read the tweets together, shall we? Here are some of the highlights from John. Very early in the morning, obviously there was a time difference. So early for us, midday for him. Someone asked, was that takedown legit? Everyone's posting it.

Oh, which takedown are you referring to? J. Davis underscore 0613. Here is said takedown. Here it is. Here's John Jones and Humsat Shamaev. Psi, give us a little breakdown here. I mean, basically, Shemoya's just a beast. He's got the double illness.

Jones, you know what I mean? He's got a beautiful body luck, as you can see. With some to the ground, John says, you know what? You're pretty strong, dude. Wait. And he is, like, it's, you know, you see lads locking up like this. The Hamza's a beast, man. It's crazy.

Shout out to Jay Davis underscore 0613. Everything that's going on with this whole scene, he's just concerned on whether or not to take that was legit. Do you think John's really upset? He doesn't look upset. He says no videos, but I think he's, I think he's... He's got a giant smile on this one. He's definitely not upset.

What a mad. He's living his best life. Let's, yeah. Yeah, he's pretty sure of what he's done in his career, you know? He's pretty sure, like, you know, his legacy will stand the test of time. I don't think he's too worried about this. And now he's a real estate investor, killing it. Well, his response to that question, by the way, the Jay Davis underscore 0613 question,

yeah, the takedown was legit. Young man is in tremendous shape, and there was only so much I could do on that concrete. What a great host, I'll never forget my time in Chechnya. He continued on the tweet today and said Someone said do a grappling match I was approached the other day about grappling DC for charity

I said absolutely Let's see what comes of it 3-0 I you know what I should have asked I should have asked Armand about Carlos saying that he was offered

a grappling match against him I was so taken by the aura I forgot doesn't matter anyway the fights or the match isn't happening I'm surprised I guess Armand's been doing

a lot of these grappling matches I guess now he's close to the belt, so they don't want him doing it. Anyway, D.C. versus Jones in a grappling match? I don't think D.C. is doing that, right? I mean... If it's paid him enough? He hasn't been active. I'd watch it. I'd watch it.

You wouldn't be down if they threw a bucket of money at D.C.? I would be down, but D.C. hasn't fought since, what? It was 2020. It's grappling. I know, but, man, the body, like... What are you saying about D.C.' I'm saying that the body is beaten up. No, no, I'm not talking about the weight.

I'm talking about, like, his body is stiff. his body has been beaten up. John is an active fighter. John last fought a year ago. I got faith in D.C. I mean, I would love to see it. But I just, what's the point? What's the point?

What else is John saying over there on the tweet today? What is he saying? Oh, and my guy Gable is going to be the top heavyweight on the planet within the next 14 months. Mark my words. I don't think a lot of people are disagreeing with John, to be honest. And it's a great story, isn't it for the heavyweight division? If Johnny is done, like to have him then in the corner of Gable Stevenson, as he tries to take on, say, hospital, still the champion, it'd be fucking...

Oh, my God, could you imagine that? Could you imagine that? Just for the record, his name is Gable Stevenson. Steveson, yeah. Stevenson. Yeah, it's a tough one. I was talking to Andy Stevenson, just briefly, and mix them up, you know what I mean? Same build.

Chill out, chill out, chill out. What else? What else is John saying? Someone said, how was Chechnya? It was awesome. I was invited by the president, Kadyrov. I spent the day celebrating his son's 18th birthday, got to shoot exotic weapons. My favorite was the RPG, which.

was never served so much food, ate like a king. Why does it feel like it's like a chat GPT response? No, it reads like my daughter talking about, like, doing a book report talking about, like, her day. Like, we shot RPGs. We ate food. Like, okay. Cool. We shot a bunch of guns.

My favorite was the RPG. Yes, we did it. This was my favorite. Then we ate. There was another tweet from him where he was like, I was so proud with how I handled myself on the shooting range. Like how a kid would be like, yeah, I. played really well in basketball today at school. Anyway, what else did John have to say over on the tweet today? Is there anything else? What about you in Pereira? It's a little bit out of my

hands. I'm getting in shape. I'm lean and completely capable of hopping into a training camp. I guess time will tell. Either way, life is good. Someone else did ask him, hey, like, would you be okay not being in the main event? And he said yes of the White House card. What no one has asked him yet is, if you don't get on the White House card, are you done? Is it White House or bus for you? That's unclear. And also, would love to know from the UFC's perspective, if you're not putting him on the White House card, would you be interested in putting him on another card? That's fucking illegal. Is it, though? Is it? John was talking guys to a person named Jeffrey Wu recently. Did you guys see this clip? No. Some of my motivations aren't

traditional anymore you know i don't think i care about what most fighters would care about yeah most fighters wouldn't turn down 30 million dollars they just wouldn't do that yeah my goals are different than other people's these days it's a more matter of legacy what will make more sense yeah do you fight the guy who is impressive right now who no one i don't think is going to really care about a few years from now or do you fight the guy who's going to be remembered yeah around the world for a very long time. I mean, in Brazil, Pereira is an absolute idol right now. Perera literally, one of the only things he says is trauma. Yeah. And people are, chama. No one even knows what it means. But he has that it factor. And that's, that's a part of the reason why I wanted to

compete against Pereira. The brand that he represents, the energy that he has behind him will be remembered more than just five years from now. For example, Aspinall just had a close fight, and people are already writing him off. His journey hasn't even started yet. He's already almost moved on. When I was 23 years old, I was fighting the top guys in the world. By the way, can we just pause it right there? This would be akin to someone saying, oh, after the Matt Hamill fight,

oh, John Jones, like, people are writing him off because, like, you know, he lost via DQ. I know it was a little bit different, and I know that maybe it was a little bit more competitive. But it's such a crazy take. The main thing is, we can. continue to listen to it, but like the main thing is, like, none of this actually bothers me as someone who wanted to see John Jones fight Tom Aspinall because he's no longer the UFC heavyweight champion. I'm all for John fighting Alex Pereira because he's no longer holding up the division. He's no longer stopping other people and Tom Aspinall in particular, who was the

interim champion from realizing his own dreams. So I'm all for him now chasing whatever fun fight, whatever big fight he wants. I do think the way he's convincing himself of, you know, Aspinall being a nothing and never was and soon to be a non-factor in the sport in the heavyweight division to be a little bit crazy. But yes, Alex has been around longer. Yes, Alex has been on top longer. He's a two-division champion.

Like, yeah, you can't really compare the resumes. There's no doubt about that. So none of this stuff really bothers me. It just, it's completely different. If he's saying this time last year as heavyweight champion, then, yeah, that's why we were so upset. Now I'm like, yeah, okay, cool. Like, you want to go for that fight?

Go for that fight. You've earned the opportunity. You've earned the right to dictate how your future ends. Of course, I'd love to see that fight, but I'd also love to see the Alex Pereira fight. Do you know what I mean, guys? Like, I'm not a year ago, I feel like I'd be all like hot under the collar listening to this.

But now I'm like, yeah, okay, go for it. Do your thing. I'm in the same boat, and I've always been okay with John versus Alex, but I do wonder at this point, do we need all the pop shots, pot shots at, Tom Aspinall? Like, is it necessary? Why even talk about Tom Aspinall? His whole thing was, I don't care about Tom Aspinall, but it seems like the only topic he is ever talking about is Tom Aspinall. Let Tom Aspinall do whatever Tom Aspinall is going to do. And then we could talk about it if ever a future date comes where all of a sudden the temperature changes on that. But like, why even bring up Tom

Aspinall? I'm sure he's asked, and I know he's just answering questions, but like every single time, it's just an opportunity to shit on Tom Aspinall. It is weird. It is weird. I don't get it. If he's so insignificant, don't talk about him. Yeah. And there is a disingenuine nature of the idea of you talking about Tom Aspinall when the offer was on the table and you were the reason it didn't happen. Right?

Like, you can shit on Tom Aspinall all you want. But there is a reality that when his name was on the contract, you didn't sign. So, I don't know. Just leave Tom Aspinall alone. But then he justifies that with like, I have bigger goals than that. I'm not here for the money. That's fine. That's fine.

I'm all for it. I've always said, I was the one beating the drum that I thought Alex versus John was a bigger fight than Tom versus John. I said that at the beginning. I say it now. It's true. But like, then don't talk about Tom. You don't need to talk about Tom. There's no business with Tom then.

Ptty, why do you think he continues to dig at Tom when he's not in the running to fight Tom? There is no talk of him fighting Tom. There's no one really banging the drum at this point to have him fight Tom because Tom's next assignment we know it. it's the Suril Gan rematch. Well, I think it's because there was so much conversation about, like, has this affected his legacy? Not taking this fight. I think he's kind of, like, getting one back for that. Like, look, look at this guy.

Look at what happened with Cyril Gan, even though there was absolutely no closure with that fight. It was still very much a fight when it was stopped. I think that's his way kind of, like, being like, really, like, this guy was going to be the biggest test of my legacy. you know this guy the fact i haven't fought him has tarnished me one of the greatest fighters of all time i just don't think you're ever going to get shots off on jones and you know without him coming back to get his and that's probably that kind of attitude has made him one of the greatest fighters of all time so i'm not entirely surprised by it yeah this is this is the thing with john he's he's always going to try to do the like holier than

thou i'm above it thing but he'll always get those shots in that's that's been the thing throughout his entire career. And again, it's the fight game. You don't have to be best friends. I'm not bothered by it. I'm not offended by it. I'm not even bothered by him trying to get this fight. Honestly, I have no... The UFC should make the fight. Like, yeah, he turned it down. Obviously, don't offer him $30 million. But like, make the fight. Give us the fight. I have no problem with that. Let's see Yerry fight Carlos Elberg, have Alex move up to heavyweight. If he wins that fight, have him fight Tom Aspinall. Like, let's go. It's all right there. Here's the thing about the UFC right now, and I said this a few months ago.

a few months ago, maybe a month or two ago, there are an incredible amount of fights on the table for them right now. Like there's this triple threat match between Ilya and Islam and Armin, and they're all connected to each other, which is super weird in two different way classes. And there's this triple threat match with Tom and Alex and John Jones, and they're all connected to each other spanning two different way classes. And there's a bunch of other interesting things going on. And I want to see it all. And I'm afraid that there's a chance we may see none of it. there's an actual chance that none of these things happen and there's a chance all of them happen

and sometimes none of it happens and more often than not none of it happens and that concerns me but like there is a chance that 2006 can be an all-time year an incredible year or like a real sort of you know a real sort of let them

yeah they're all right there there's so many juicy fights like literally right there it feels very boxing-esque at the moment where it's like all these teases all these tweets, all the, like, please, just give us, give us those, they're all right there.

Give us Ilya versus Armin. Give us Islam versus any one of those guys, honestly. And then maybe one of those guys, like, tomorrow, let's do it. Oh, stop it with that. Yeah. I do have some breaking news, guys. Oh.

I am seeing here from our friends, our old friends at MMA fighting, Mike Heck and Guillermo Cruz, that Arnold Allen versus John Silva, targeted for UFC 324 in January. That's the January 24th card. And I can say that I heard the same. First reported by them, shout out to them.

But yesterday I saw some reports of Arnold Allen moving up to 155. I don't know if you guys saw that as well. There's a lot of fake stuff out there right now. Wasn't that him saying that? I was going to say that he tweeted out that he was going to move up to 155. He said that. No, that Mattias Gamera, that he was fighting Mateus Gamera? That he wanted to go up to 55.

Oh, I was just talking about the Gamrod fight. Oh, yeah, yeah, no. So I checked in on that and I was told that that wasn't true and then found out about this one. So I like that fight. What do you think about that fight for R&EPT? Really like it. I think like it's an opportunity to make a statement immediately. And look, if he can implement his game plan, I think he can do really well.

Like this is the, like if he's trying to make a big jump, I think this is the way to do it. You know, like Silver's a big name. I really like it. I love it. A big fight for him, back in the mix, bounce back fight for John Sullivan. This is like one of the first fights that we found out about the new year.

You know, like that could be happening. Still don't know if that January 24th card is going to be the first card of the year. Historically, they'll do a fight night or two before a PLE. But that is an interesting one. Another interesting thing that just came by here is courtesy of KSW guys.

How about this? Did you see this? A new edition. to the KSW rule set. KSW would like to announce that starting from XTBKSW 113, apart from losing a part of his or her salary,

each fighter who fails to make the weight limit at the morning wands on the day before the event shall also lose a point in the first round of the actual fight. This penalty will apply to everyone who will not make the required weight limit in their given time, meaning

during the morning wands on Friday and in the additional hour. How about that? This is something that some people have brought up missing weight. The money isn't enough. You should walk into the fight at a disadvantage. Don't really hate it. Anyone hate it?

Drama to weigh-ins too, right? What do you think, PT? Do you hate it? I don't hate it. No, I think it's a new layer of drama for weigh-ins. Like, it would give people an extra reason to watch. And look, there's no doubt that people feel hard done by when their opponent misses weight. and fair enough, I think the money is a kind of a thing, you take it on the day just to make sure the fight's all right, you feel pretty good about yourself. But weight is huge. You know, if you can go in that with that kind of advantage into a fight, it can have a massive, massive difference, especially if you think someone's game the system and they've put you through the weight cup when they haven't. They haven't pushed their body to the limit that you have, and they're kind of, they don't have to kind of rehydrate, refuel in the same way. I don't think it's exact, I don't think it's exactly making up for that kind of a situation, but it's something. And I, I, I think that's what Floyd does want to see.

I kind of dig it, to be honest. Now, of course, KSW kind of does its own thing. This isn't the athletic commissions here in the United States. They're not adhering to this. But I don't hate it. The sport has to evolve. And more often than not, don't we see guys missing weight, go into a fight, dominate? This would make you think twice.

You would think that the money, the hit, the pocket, that would be enough. But this is a nice little wrinkle. How about KSW doing their thing? And the European scene, Pizzi, your neck of the woods is killing it right now. KSW Octagon, that incredible submission yesterday. You saw that? We showed that yesterday after?

Yeah, crazy. And then they just, they have that big card now on December 28 as well, Will Fleury and Martin Boudet. Huge fight. Yeah, they're getting consistently like 22K, 20K, the big stadium shows. Who's harder right now? It's KSW and Octagon is beef, man. Why is it beef?

It is the battle for Eastern Europe, you know what I mean? Who's harder right now? I think Octagon, honestly. Really? And I think KSW, like obviously is the prestige brand there in that neck of the woods, but they used to, they just did a better job of tapping into Western Europe as well and the English-speaking neck of the woods. I think that had a lot to do with a certain Alan Murphy who was working with them for a long time

because he would be paid and journalist left, right and center. He's an amazing guy at doing that, keeping people interested. like he'd be ringing you. You might have a 30-minute phone call about a prospect that's making his debut. Like he was literally force-feeding you this stuff, but it made you automatically interested. Octagon are doing similar things like they, and they've tried many things. They had the Ultimate Fighter-style show with Brad Pick and I'm Patty Hewlin back in the day. But they are signing guys from this neck of the woods.

Like we saw Shemrock. We've seen plenty of guys now coming through that Octagon into the UFC. And they have these stadium shows that's impossible not to think it looks spectacular because it's so different. just don't see things like this anymore. Have they walked through the door to KSW opened? I believe so, but they're taking the ball and running with it now. Shout to Alan Murphy. Best in the business, in my opinion. Best in the business. Guys, last week we were dissecting the pound-for-pound misfits boxing list. I do believe they have come out with their pound-for-pound list.

These are new updated, right? Updated. Just came out today? Just came out today. Darantill 1, Chase Stamore 2, Andrew Tate 3, okay, Tommy Fury 4, Anthony Taylor 5, Fox, Fox Tag? Fox the G. Oh, Fox the G. Rightfully so at 6. Yeah, no, I agree with that one. Tony Ferguson, 7, of course, Dean the Great, who we talked about, Slim, of course, talked about him a lot. And a mystery fighter.

He's my favorite one, actually. So what does that mean? How could a mystery fighter be ranked 10th? What does that mean? Yeah, it's a mystery, man. Okay, but like, it's not a fight. It's not like we're doing like five versus five, so how could it be a mystery?

Is it just like, choose your own adventure? You'll have to wait and see. What is happening? Like, hang on. Are these rankings, or is this kind of some setup to a fight that's happening? No, these are actual rankings released by misfits. Yeah. Anthony Taylor at five.

How could you vote for mystery fighter? How would you vote for mystery for it? Dylan Danis getting an opportunity to break into the misfits Stop five is huge. Andrew Tate, no fights, three? Yeah. We're getting two verse three, and our guy, Tills, holding the crown at one.

Love it. Shout out Tommy Fury. It's fight business. Yeah, it's right there. Yeah, it's right there. It's fake business. Maybe your friend Donna Corby can explain this to you. The mystery fighters.

Yeah, you might have to get him on the phone after this. I like PITC implying that somebody actually voted for this. I like Ptzee thinking that there was a world where there was some kind of like, you know, voting process for this. The voting was the graphic. graphic designer. Are you calling the misfits

rankins at the district pew here? No. No, no. I'm suggesting that voting would be rudimentary compared to the

selection process that happened here. This is the only way to do it. It feels like they should be advertising that DeMoor Tate

is two versus three and more. That's a huge deal, yeah. Winner gets Darren Till Till versus Tate. Neither die

my point in Till let's be honest. The uncrown boxing pound for pound list not as prestigious, dare I say. can get there one day. We're working on it. But these have just been released. Terrence Crawford number one guys. Alexander Usik number two, Naoya, Inouye, number three. So it's always a jockeying

a position, especially at one and two these days. Dmitri Bivalin number four, Bam Rodriguez, number five. Junto Nakatani, tied for six with David Benavides, who has moved up three slots. Artur Betarbeyev, number eight, tied with Shakur Stevenson. And how about Devin Haney, number 10? Devin Haney, who has won, three belts in three different weight classes number 10 below some other champions who have only won in one weight class very interesting

where's Mystery Fighter in those rankings yeah that's the thing that's why it's not as prestigious I think Haney replaced Mystery Fighter that's why you think so he went up the rankings yeah yeah and if you notice it said not ranked he was off he got over Mystery Fighter

PT what's going on with your computer here I'm getting some frantic messages what's happening? We don't really know. About to die? We get these updates and they're just like, hey, listen, your computer's about to restart me and happens often.

And Andy knows this. How many times does this happen, Andy, a million times? Yeah, it gives us a heart attack every time. Yeah. So, look, I've kind of got this standoff with the machine at the moment where it's prompted me to put in a password. I'm not going to put that in, Ariel, just for you.

Oh, wow. Stay here. Well, I'm worried about this because now you're going to disappear. You're going to do the... I will never disappear from me. your life, okay? Don't you worry about that. And then it's the thing that's going to bother me, and then we're going to have to get you back on the show

tomorrow, like with Armin, all this stuff. Isn't he on any way for on the nose? Yeah, no, he is. He is. It is hard to get him sometimes. If I've updated the computer, that is. Why do people call it Irish goodbye, by the way? That is a good question. Like, what is it after? The hard thing is getting us to leave. I never really understand that.

The problem with drinking with an Irish person is there like, where can we go next? Like, is there anywhere else open? It's never like, do you know what? I think I've had enough. I better go home. That's something you don't hear an awful love, you know? Yeah. If you watch the boys in the back, we actually did a pound for pound French list, and actually the Irish goodbye was cribbed, was taken, was stolen from the French.

It was called the French leave, actually. So it actually is not Irish. It started with the French people. I'm happy that you mentioned that because I just wanted to expose that PT doesn't watch. Yeah, yeah. No, he noticed he updated his computer during the time that would be appropriate. He's never seen boys in the back. Well, we're doing a bit of house cleaning here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just want to point out because we moved on from the John Jones situation. Okay. I sent a link into the group chat earlier this morning, you know, like his post about Kadi Rav and everything like that. And it actually enlightened us to a fact that has broken New York Rick's heart. What's that? One of the biggest John Jones defenders in the MMA space,

one of the biggest John Jones fans, his goat, has him blocked on Instagram. Wow. That is unbelievable By the way, me too And we have no idea why He's a completely private account That just posts pictures of his kids With 423 followers

Wow John Jones hasn't blocked How do you feel about this He was hurt I can't lie in real time he was hurt He was like man what the fuck is this Couldn't load it up I was like that's loaded for me

I feel like that's a little tip of the cap Are you upset about this? You've actually been It's a little bit of a betrayal Yeah I will admit You know the one man Who stood on the side of John Jones

for the longest possible time, many would argue way too long. Many would argue in spite of any logic and decency. Taking a lot of bullets for him, yeah. I'm actually shocked. You've never wavered, even when you could have. No, and I still stand ten toes down here today. But I must admit, you know, the heart's, um...

The discovery, the discovery was painful to watch. He was like, oh, he must have deleted the post. I was like, no, I see it right here. He's like, it's not showing up for me. And then I was like, no, I got it on my laptop and my computer. Yeah, I'm looking at it right here. He's like, oh, John must be private. I'm like, no, man.

Now, he's not private. Is there any chance he has you blocked? Goes to his page. This page doesn't exist. Yeah, he's blocked by old J.B. Man. What about on Twitter? What about on Twitter?

No, not on Twitter. Flying clear on Twitter. Okay, okay. We're still in there on Twitter. We're still in there on Twitter. Twitter would actually make more sense. He's active on Twitter. He is completely in lockdown mode on IG.

He's been from Twitter as of right now. I, too, by the way. I am blocked on IG but not on Twitter. That's interesting. Yeah. Is it, you know, maybe an association thing? Did I do something wrong? Did I say the wrong thing?

I've always been an advocate for one. Did you hit that hand slam down? Yeah, that was some emotion in that. That was all good. It's okay. It's okay. That was heartbroken. Good with it. We're good with it. We're okay.

Hashtag not blocked by bones. It's all good, John. By the way, you deserve it. I mean, you deserve it. You linked up with me. You probably said something that was not, you know, in complete, like, glowing praise of him. And if that's the case.

I actually find that hard, truthfully, there wouldn't ever be a world where that happened, but... He probably saw you one time in one of the clips, and he's like, let me search this guy. Blocked. Cute kids. Locked. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, because I'm probably, I mean, who knows when it happened. Anyway, you know, not hurt. Not hurt. I'm all right. I actually have come full circle. We're all good. We're all good over here. Happy to live in the world.

Peace and love. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Frank, do we have any super chats? It wouldn't be an episode without a chance. I seen the show yesterday and seen you guys talking about make Patty versus Ilya

of Riding now before the hype dies, but DDP faced off with Izzy and fought a year later, and their fight was still exciting question mark. Was it? It wasn't as hot as had it been a year prior, right? And by the way... So are you back on the Paddy v. Illia train? No, I'm just saying, I think it's a bad example.

No, it's got to be, it's got to be Armin v. Illia. There's too much heat now. Now it feels like it's way too personal. I actually feel like there's no heat. to Ilya versus Patty anymore. Like the one thing that they... What do you do with Patty now? Give him Geichi.

It's actually quite like, it's quite easy and actually quite logical. I think the reason why we were all kind of like, this is happening is because nothing was being announced, right? I think we're all like, this is happening. I don't know how it happened. It sprouted and then it just stayed there. Like Ilya and Patty, we all thought it was a given. Then Armand does that.

Then we have the slap video resurfacing. We have the boys at each of their throats. I mean, it's a compelling argument for Armand, definitely. I mean, to call that a slap video is quite kind. It's a pure slap. He just like necked him. Gentle caress. He was trying to son him.

What's up, man? Hello. How are you doing? But don't you agree? Patty versus Gaichi makes all the sense in the world. I think you can still build the heat between Patty and Ilya. But right now, right now what has the most heat right now? Patty and Elias still.

Really? Yeah. Oh my God. You're crazy. crazy. Serious. There's like genuine disdain there between Armin and Ilya.

You think Ilya loves Patty? I feel like it's different. I feel like it's different. They saw each other and Ilya was immediately like, you pussy. Yeah. He's like, calm down, chorizo. I do love that.

Adding the Spanish flair to his typical sausage insult is all time. Did he really say that? Yeah. They calmed down in chorizo. When they were walking, when he was walking by him, that's incredible. What's funny is that they were like,

what's up, man? And then it immediately turned to insults. All right, Ariel's back. with us. He's back with us. No, no, no. Dude, you play that Torizo clip crowd goes crazy. Armin versus Ilya is probably my most desired fight for 2026. No, it's not.

Yes, it is. Name another one. Alex John. Armin Ilya. Arminio. Islam Elia, 162.5 pound for pound bell? Arminalia. What about Ilya Islam? The one that everybody was salivating over? Armin. Isn't that what I just said?

Yeah, nah. I'm literally... I'm literally... I tell you. Armine, I'm... Armin, Ilya, Ilya, Armin, that's my most desired fight. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Stop it, please. What else, Frankie?

What else? Doing a 5K in the rain. We'll listen into the show. Thanks for making this easy. Hell yeah. Thank you, sir. What's your name? What's your name?

Sorry, I missed it. Hanashi. Legend. Oh, yeah, yeah. Legend who is the leader of the salsa boy militia. Oh, yeah. You doing your 5K on Thanksgiving Day, Mr. G.C.? Yeah, I'm going to get it in.

Turkey Trot? What is it? I'm just going to go run by myself. Oh, but you usually do, like, a thing? like an organized thing I haven't done one in you know seven or eight years no that's not true

you've 100% done it since you've been on the program 100% you've done it I remember no not an organized one 100% I just go run by myself you live in another state

it's true in Connecticut yeah I would just go I would just go run by myself though what else Frankie what else Ariel do you think this entire continent is truly ready to host the World Cup come next year

with all the logistical and political concerns yeah I think we're fine I think we'll be fine Whether they're ready to or not They're going to Yeah I wonder what prompted such a question

Right I mean you're a worldly guy You would know the answers Yeah hell yeah Who's to check Who is to check I got some email here I'm trying to figure it out

Oh oh oh no no no Just one injury What's this Oh what else Frankie What else? Any fight news for Chase Sherman Hmm The Giff King

Remember him but a guy he was he was prolific on twitter back in the day and he was the king of the gifts yes that's like when using gifts was kind of like provocative put an age yeah it was like I'm the shoulders who'd you give the zest to last yesterday the shoulders who did I do it to I don't remember

who did you do it to oh what was it hey you did this you were mocking oh it was the reporter who wrote you about the Anthony Joshua Say their names How dare you talk about us U.K. media members like that.

Say their names. Did you call them curmudgeon today? Which one of these carmudgeons are saying this? How dare you say their names? It is... The voice affection. The list came out of nowhere

Petey, I was talking I was giving you props I was giving you props You broke it down very nicely By the way Ptze Did you happen to catch At the press conference Ian was talking about

Like that he was the protege And this guy And then Islam was I will say I will say I will say Islam was asked about it At his press conference

Did you see that? He refined it a bit more For you I felt Like I felt like It was a better delivery On the show yesterday You think so Yeah

protege is an interesting word lineage yeah I mean he didn't say what's going on wait what's happening where did they go who's to check

is anyone there I mean I'm here where did they go is it a fire alarm now you guys got this one oh okay they're out okay please please Ptze tell us tell us

I thought there was an actual fireland he was doing the protege thing I was going to like You know, I don't, I don't think that's the word I'd use. You know, he's definitely, McGregor is his muse. You know, he is his inspiration. I'll have that all day.

You know, and to be fair, he didn't come on here and be like, we need to rectify this for Ireland. Like he's saying, I'm the new generation of Connor. He's the new generation of Islam. I like that. You know what I mean? I don't mind that at all. I hope he gets, like, to be fair,

out of everyone that's came on the show, he's made the best pitch. Yeah. You know? So we set it on the post show. I think he deserves it. I hope he gets it. Yeah, that's pretty much...

And, of course, he hails from, you know, a part of the world known as Ireland. And the other guy hails from a part of the world known as Dagestan, Russia. Yeah, I saw you calling it Ireland v. Dagestan 2. Yeah, yeah. I did that. I did that just for you. I did that just for you. We already had Ireland versus Dagestan, too well.

No, this is actually three. You're right. Three. It's four. It's four. I guess so, yeah. Well, this year, you know, how many fights has been between Ireland, Dagestan? How many? Five.

Is that true? Wait, five just this year? Yes. Yeah, this is more of a rivalry than I imagine. I'm going to get an email. Yeah, we're five and oh, that's Dagestan. They are five and oh. They are five and oh.

I was like, wow. I'm going to get an email from, what's the top paper over there, the Sunday Express, the Daily Mirror, what is it? Don't worry about that. In Dagestan? They aren't watching. No, in Iowa. I bought the ball on Monday for the reaction.

The Independent? What is it? The Independent also didn't go for the fights, unfortunately, no. How dare you? You have to do with an English. It's the same guy or a different guy? How dare you? Lump us all together.

How dare you insinuate that there is a rivalry between these two proud nations? Somebody's going to turn that into just a gif. Guys, I got an email. But there isn't, right? you know that, right? There is no... I've never suggested that there is. There's two guys who hate each other who happen to come from these two

very unique places on Earth and they were lumped together. I was thinking about it last night. I was like, it's sort of like saying like there's no connection between New York and Indiana, but there is now because it's Hicks versus Nix and they hate each other as a result of their sports teams hating each other.

This is the same thing. Some people beg to differ, though, right? Some people beg to differ. I need to go back and watch the OG clip. I need to see the heat that happened here. this new rivalry. Guys, I just got an email from someone who's saying that they were sending me

the new, wait a second, the new unified rules scoring criteria. The MMA judging criteria clarification document that was proposed by the MMA Rules and Regs Committee at the August ABC Conference and approved by the ABC body.

And so now I'm looking at it. All bouts will be scored by a minimum of three judges evaluating each round individually scoring in favor of the more effective MMA fighter. Judges will evaluate the relative... Okay, this is what Andy Foster was on the show. Okay, okay, okay, dominance, effective techniques,

number scoring system. Okay, okay, I'm going to pour over this later. I wasn't sure if there was any... It sounded pretty similar to the existing. I'm just going to pour over this later, but I thought that there was some breaking news there. What else, Frankie? What else? No, no, no, no.

It was a potential breaking news that we have now thwarted. We thwarted the breaking news. The last super chat is actually something you've already answered. Opinion about KSW taking a point for wait. How about that? That came before we broke it. Oh, I dig it. Are you excited about Wing C on the program tomorrow?

Piti. Yeah, can't wait. Yeah. Maybe update your computer before Wing C joins us. You're hanging on. Maybe send me a computer doesn't fuck an update five times a week. I mean, and I hear the quote, Andy told me, is like, I over the picture of a laptop on when I do my show.

There's a way around this. Thanks. Fuck it a year later. Thanks very much, Frank. I'm sure we've said it multiple times. That's great. Cheers. Cheers.

Frank, you can take that from him? The Dagestanis are known to keep their computers up to tape. Oh, wow. Wow. You know, he actually... He actually goes by Pete C. Because of winged C. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, is that... I was going to bounce back from this one. That's what I know. By the way, Connor, can you tell us why is he referred to as wing C? That I actually can't tell. First question. Yeah.

That's got to be the first question. You nail every questionnaire. I actually don't know. And is it really a head tat? It must be new because I've seen videos from just a couple months ago and he didn't have it. So it must be brand new.

I can't wait for it. I mean, that's my most anticipated interview of 2025. I mean, last show before Thanksgiving, you know, everyone's out. You got to get in a wacky mood, man. Get the eggnog, the spice. By the way, speaking of wacky, before we go, Pizzi, what's this promotion

in Poland where they have people dressed up as clowns are you familiar with it? You have your finger on the pulse of the... No, no, I don't watch the clown promotion.

What are you talking about? You don't know this one? No. Are you sure? Are you teeing up a video right now? Yeah, do we? No, we had that yesterday. No, no, no, they showed it to be the evening

the day. And I said, oh, I forgot about this. Let's play it. Did you guys delete it? No, we got it, we got it. Yeah, yeah, here it is. Here it is. Here it is.

Set up again. Set up again. I'll pretend. I'll pretend. Here it is. Here's the clown. What? What?

Oh. Nothing funny about this. Yo, he kicked him right in the head. Is that guy in a Squid Games costume? He is in a Squid Games costume. It's hard to be about that business with that kind of face makeup on, no? Also, there's only one clown. It's not a clown promotion.

There's only one guy. Are you not familiar with this promotion? Is it a shame? Short. Short two. I think it's their second event. Hey, the amount of fucking promotions in Poland, they are mad boss out there. Honestly, God, they're wildest football. Also, powered by Prime. Is that Prime the drink? Amazon Prime? I'd imagine no. I'm going to say neither.

It actually looks like neither. Yeah. Based on the logo. There is one more super chat. Oh. Yes, yes, yes. I have not been able to watch for a while, and it's so great to see you guys now with my new job. I'll be able to watch. I missed you guys. Welcome back, you, Defend.

Defender, shout out. I actually hate the eat. You do? No, no. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. You know, this guy is actually a defender of it, believe it or not? And I will go on the offensive.

And why do you hate it? I hate it. What is this? We're going to wear the sunglasses. Yeah, yeah. What does it even mean? Yeah, can I ask serious question? Yeah, go ahead.

When is John Senna's last fucking match? Because I swear to God I've watched A-ed him. I keep on thinking it's his last one. I'm like, what the fuck is going on? It has dragged on. this time. And then he comes out with the towel for the last time. And I'm like, but I fucking watched you last week, mate.

And you said exactly the same. No, no. In fairness, it's been a year-long celebration. They always said that the last match would come in December. It is going to happen December 13th in Washington, Saturday night's main event on Peacock here in America and Netflix, rest of the world. And they've dragged it out. And dare I say, I don't think it's gone according to plan.

I don't think it's been a huge success. And let's see how it finishes before giving our full verdict. But I think the tournament to decide who's his last opponent feels a little bit lacking of imagination. Like I wanted a hot storyline to end it, right? Like a hot storyline, a tournament to decide who's going to be his last opponent feels like it's not, you know what I mean? Like this should have been the culmination. We never got a resolution to what happened with him. in the Rock. We never got a resolution to what happened with him and Travis Scott. They pulled the

plug on him turning heel. His last match at Madison Square Garden was the six-man tag. It's just felt like a long, drawn-out thing that didn't quite hit the way in which I think a lot of people thought it was going to hit at the beginning of all of this. And I'll be the first to say, I have great love and admiration for John Cena, but he's not one of my goats, if you will. He's not on my Mount Rush more. I don't have the same sort of affinity that I think people who grew up with him do. I thought it was cool retirement tour. Let's see if he actually sticks to it in pro wrestling. You don't usually stick to the retirement match. But I agree with you, Petey. It has felt like a little bit off. But in fairness to them, they haven't promoted this is going to be

the last one. It keeps building to what will be the last one, which is December 13th in Washington of all places. I thought maybe it would be Boston or MSG. Washington doesn't really have like a great connection to him, so Will he wrestle with him? I just kept seeing like the last time Well, that's, because he used to, because the slogan used to be like, the time is now, and so now the last time is now, it's like the last time he's in this place,

last time he's in this, but the last last match is December 13th going up against... Is it the last match? Historically in wrestling, John Cena's what, 47 or something? John Cena. This, the last time 52 times or whatever this year and everyone's meant to say, like, this is class. No, it's because they change the color of the T-shirt, Pizzi.

They changed the color of the T-shirt. Yeah, the merch sales are out of control for John Cina. Historically in wrestling, you don't keep the retirement. No, no. It was the last one. No, no, no, last one. No, just the last one there. It was always like the last...

Last mania, last time at MSG, last summer slam, last everything. It's the last time he's doing it all. But the last match, the point finale, as they say, is December 13th. I don't buy it. Now, historically, yeah, that's the thing. Historically, they come back a year later and they're like, But by the way, I don't think, look, cash in, and then come back. People will be happy.

Be silent for like three years and then let the hit one night and everyone will go ape shit. I think he'll come back sooner than that from just an appearance perspective. Oh, wow. That's a throwback. That is a throwback. He'll come back at like a WrestleMania and they'll bring him out as a legend. I think he will wrestle again, though. I think they'll bring him back soon.

I actually think the smart money is on that. Like, historically, you don't stay retired in wrestling. Why? Even The Rock comes back like 10 years late. Like, everyone comes back. It's not actually pro sports. You can come back. Isn't the Rock involved?

And then he just disappeared as well. I swear to God I was watching The Rock do something one day. Yeah, yeah, he was gone. He was at WrestleMania one day with Travis Scott. He did this. He did, he did. Yeah. It was a great moment.

It was, everybody pop. It was the, what was it? It was like this. It was like, he went like all the way up the face. And then he never showed up again. He never appeared, there was no conclusion It was so weird Then they had the whole Netflix thing

And it's like, oh yeah You were reminded that they never Actually properly concluded this Three years from now The Rock will come back And then him and John Cena We'll do it together And we'll get the conclusion to the thing

I think he went on interviews And like address that he was like Yeah, it was just better for me to step away Do you remember back in February When we were debating What would be the more impactful Like Hogan turning The NWO or this?

This is actually like a fart in the wind compared to that. You know what I mean? Someone called that at the time I remember. Mark Raimundi. This is no way in comparison to the whole country.

Wasn't it Mark? I thought it was Mark. It was how one. Yeah. Thank you, PT. You know, that's why I love you, Ptt. That's why I love you. That and that only.

I did buy Mark Romani's book based off this whole thing. It was great. Yeah. Great play. You finished it? Yeah, I did yet.

Yeah. Respect. Quickly. I ate it. What was that? What was that? What? You were saying something

and then he interrupted you to give me the props. I thought it was Mark. I thought Mark said that. You were about to say something. Now that I think about it, I think it was Mark too. I thought it was Mark.

I'm pretty sure it was Mark. Oh, you're saying you thought it was Mark. No, it was me. I was the one. I was the one and I got heat for it and I took bullets for it. Oh, what I was going to say. Was proverbial.

We knew how the NWO thing played out. Sure. I said that too, by the way. And it's been. And now we've seen how it played out. Yeah, I don't think it was. Well, you got to wait for Saturday. Three years.

No, three years from now, when it really reaches its conclusion. You got to see how Saturday and it's been on December 13th, it's out. Are you on a post-flight show? By the way, by the way, just want to say before we go, Connor Ben and Devin Haney going off after our interview on Twitter. Have you guys seen this? Devin Haney goes off on Connor Ben. Source of boxing, recapped what he said on the show, gave us credit, shout out.

And then Connor Ben writing, Devin Haney, you little something? Are you still suing Ryan for battery? Come see me soon, and you'll actually be involved in an exciting fight. We know where you practice all that hugging. Yeah, and then he did a little Photoshop, you know? Yeah, a little Photoshop. What was the Photoshop of? It's just a Photoshop.

Him and someone else. I need to see it. And then Devin Haney writes, you the same something, something, something that tried to come and say what's up and shake my hand last night, then get on Twitter talking tough. that's why I ain't shake your hand because I know you really is something that's why you tucked your tail and walked away

you want to argue on the internet for clout and then Connor Ben writes you was with all your security you little something is that a bad word I'm not sure if this is a bad word something is a bad word yeah come try and step to me anywhere and I'll iron you out there and then I love when the Brits can involve in the trash talk

because it's like, you know. Iron out is a all-time prochlon. I'll spark you. Right? The man. Iron you out is. Does the cobra need to come and iron you out? That's right.

Cobra's coming to iron out, Jay Paul. Hey, Carl. Good to see you. Well, there you have it. There you have it, guys. What a day. A lot happening. The whole show.

Like me mastering the machine. 100%. You made it happen. And now it's time to take a goodbye. Frank, I'll let you know. Please get with him and he'll show you how to do it after the show, right?

You have to open the laptop from time to time, Pete. Listen, I never close it. That's the issue. Sometimes the problems between the chair and the keyboard. You just got to fix that. Guys, it's time to go. It's time to say goodbye. Time to say good.

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them in in a timely fashion and we'll get to as many as possible this will be our final show of the week everyone taking off for the holiday and right Hopefully so. I mean, it is one of the all-time great holidays of the calendar year, and everyone deserves a break here and then. But we'll give you enough to chew on, as they say, as we headed to the holiday break. And a pretty quiet one in the world of mixed martial arts. There is the Ben Whitaker fight. We spoke to Ben about it. And I look forward to that.

And there's a couple other bits and bobs, or is it bips and bobs? I'm not sure which one it is, but it's a good week to, uh, to, uh, it's a good week to, uh, to, Anyway, thank you, Shabkat, Rachmanov, Devin Haney, Ben Whitaker, Carlos Prachas, Mani Moikano, Armin Sauru, and thanks to you, thanks to that. Back tomorrow, say, time. Let's say, I'm out here.