The Ariel Helwani Show - "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, Rampage Jackson, Eddie Hall, Patrice Evra, On The Nose, more

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

Two-time WWE Hall of Famer "Stone Cold" Steve Austin joins the show to discuss going from athlete to interviewer, his Hall of Fame match against Bret Hart, Logan Paul’s WrestleMania 41 offer, his opinion on the state of the business, John Cena’s heel turn, and reflects on his most memorable career moments (15:43).French football legend and former Manchester United star Patrice Evra previews his MMA debut and goes into why he chose to sign with the PFL, debuting in Paris, calling out Luis Suárez, his future in the sport, his relationship with Khabib, training with Paul Pogba and other stars, and more (59:12).Eddie Hall rejoins after his vicious 30-second TKO of Mariusz Pudzianowski at KSW 105 and talks about his MMA future, the controversial finish, the size difference, a possible rematch, Dillon Danis and Misfits Boxing, another 2 vs. 1 match, Francis Ngannou, pro wrestling, and wraps up by answering a burning question (1:31:26).Quinton "Rampage" Jackson checks in to discuss the cancelation of his boxing match with Rashad Evans, coaching against Henry Cejudo at Friday's UFL event, his feud with Ian Machado Garry, his Kevin Holland diss track, his favorite career fight, his classic PRIDE powerbomb, and more (1:56:27).Harrison Rogers, founder of the United Fight League, calls in to discuss launching the promotion, making the team format work in MMA, the league’s structure, giving back to the fighters, and Friday's event (2:36:15).Ariel and the Boys end things by answering your On The Nose questions and Super Chats, before squaring off on the Aviron bike (2:59:15).Join us on the bike: avironactive.com/uncrowned

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oh, Ariel's gonna be salty, Ariel's gonna be bummed, he's gonna be upset, ornery, after the next Blu at game five at home, have to go to decrepit Detroit on Thursday to try to seal the deal here. I'm sure you are thinking that, and there's a part of you that is probably correct. However, however, I'm in a great mood today for really two reasons. Reason number one, it's my son's birthday. Thirteen years ago today my son was born. I became a father for the first time.

It was one of the greatest days of my life. I'll never forget it. I was in the hospital room. They were putting the little thing on top of the Freedom Tower. 1776 feet tall in honor of 1776, you know, America, all that stuff. And my life changed at approximately 1230. Can't believe I'm a father now of a teenager. And those who have been riding with us for all this time,

you remember when it happened? It happened on a Monday. I didn't do the show that day. I came back the following week. We only did a show once a week. You'll remember, I think it was the third time I became a dad, Rick stepped in. I think that was the third time, not the second time.

I might be wrong. It could have been the second time. No, I think it was the third time. Dressed up as me. I think that was the first time that he actually sat in the hot seat, so to speak. And so, yeah, a lot of emotions, a lot of pride. So proud to be a father, so proud of my family,

so proud to be my son's father, so proud of him and the person that he has become, and I know every single dad out there would probably feel the same way. And so I'm in a good mood. For that reason, we're going to a nice restaurant later today, got him some gifts. Everyone's very happy.

I'm a little annoyed that this whole thing is shifted here, but that's on me. I have OCD, I've said it before, it's a problem, I'm working on it, I'm sorry. If I'm being 1000% honest, again, why did I say that twice? I don't know. When we do the Dazon show,

I have to take the Celsius cans away, and then when I move things over, it doesn't fit in exactly like I like it. It's a problem. We're working through it. We're working through the kinks. The other reason why I'm so excited is because thank you, thank you, thank you Bam Bam. The other reason is what a lineup.

You know, like I said on Twitter, we've had a lot of eclectic lineups over the years. Someone asked me what's eclectic. It's a little bit of this and a little bit of that. We've had a lot of them. I don't know if we have ever had a more eclectic lineup than this one. And this is essentially, this in a nutshell, is why we had to change the name of the show.

Because if this was last year, people would be like, ew, it's an MMA show. No, it's not that. It's a little this, it's a little that. It's something for everyone. And I don't know if we have ever had a lineup that embodied that spirit better than today's. And it really hit me yesterday when I was reading the lineup

and the guys were like, damn. Because when you're working through everything and you're putting someone here and you're putting someone there, even my kids, first time ever today, they were asking me, because I told them some of the names on there, like, how do these people come on? I say, I reach out to them.

Like, how do you get them to come on? I don't know. I just reach out to a lot of people. It was cool to see them somewhat interested finally in what I did, the process, how the sausage is made, so to speak. And so on today's program, it's a great one. Back end of the show, my old friend, Quinton Rampage Jackson, the alpha male,

to end all alpha males, he will join us. We have his drop, right? I'm alpha, right? We got that one? Yep, we certainly do. Or did you delete it? I'm alpha. There it is.

Thank you, Frankie. He will join us. Always great to catch up up with him Harrison Rogers is also gonna join us He is the founder of the United Fight League. They have a show this weekend You know, we gave a lot of attention to the GFL and other promotions. It's time. We give them some love They just signed a deal with vice sports He's he's a captain and I think a team owner as well. It's that team concept. You know how I feel about it, but I want to give them, uh, the time of day as well. And so we'll talk to Harrison and Quinton back into the show.

Prior to that, we will be joined by Eddie Hall who defeated Marius Pujanowski on Saturday at KSW in a matter of seconds, 30 or so seconds. Just like threw him around like a rag doll. Talk to him. Did he break his hand? Is he fighting Dylan Danis next? What the hell is going on? Looking forward to that. One time world's strongest man, multiple time UK, UK, Britain, strongest man. Speaking of the UK, man who was once captain of Manchester United, captain of Les Bleus, tremendous football player, Patrice Evra is going to join us. He announced late last week that he is going to be joining PFL Europe. He'll have a fight for PFL Europe on the 23rd of May.

Had a little thing with Khabib earlier in the week. This is a big freaking deal. That event on the 23rd of May is happening at Acre Arena in Paris. I was there to see Canada lose to France in the quarterfinals of the Olympic basketball tournament. It's a beautiful venue. Pizzi's been there as well. And he's going to be joining PFL Europe I was there to see Canada lose to France in the quarterfinals of the Olympic basketball tournament.

It's a beautiful venue. Pizzi's been there as well. And this is going to be gigantic news. Like they're going to sell it out. Again, PFL Europe and PFL America, they seem to run as like two separate entities. They seem to do tremendous things over there. And over here, it's a little different. The quick resume, if you're unfamiliar with Evra,

43 years young, turning 44 on May 15th, played for Man U, Juventus, Monaco, Marseille, cup of coffee with West Ham, five time Premier League winner with Man United, UEFA Champions League winner with Man United, competed in five UEFA Champions League finals for three different teams, UEFA Champions League winner with Man United, competed in five UEFA Champions League finals for three different teams,

two Serie A league winner championships with Juventus, cup wins in France, England, and Italy, competed in three Euros, two World Cups for France. He was the captain of the 2010 French national team, 81 caps for France. Retired in 2018. Played with some legends. And now is crossing over to MMA.

Not boxing like a lot of other influencers do. MMA, very interesting. We'll talk to him at about 2 o'clock. And at 1.15, the Texas rattlesnake himself, Mr. DTA. Mr. You talk about your John 3 16, Austin 3 16 says, I just whooped your ass. One of the greatest professional wrestlers of all time, a living legend, a man who did it his way,

unapologetically himself. One of the best interviewers as well, and I wanna talk to him about this, one of the best athletes turned interviewers, I've said this on the show, people have asked me, oh, who's a good interviewer? Stone Cold is phenomenal. The pod was great, the sessions were great,

wish he did more of them. Anyways, Stone Cold Steve Austin gonna join us. For the first time in 11 years, we had him on in 2014. We had him on episode 200 of the MMA Hour in 2013 and then we had him on a year later in 2014. And I may bring this up again so forgive me if I repeat it. I'll never forget this, you know, we have a lot of people come in studio and and you know they ask for a car, they ask for this, they have an entourage and that's all fine there's nothing wrong with that you may

have a brother that comes with you a manager a sister a wife a PR person a photographer a videographer very very rarely does someone come alone I'm sure it's happened a couple times the one that I could tell you for sure was Stone Cold Stone Cold. Stone Cold came alone in July of 2014. He was promoting a show that he was doing. I asked if he wanted a car, a taxi, whatever. He said, I'm gonna walk from my hotel and he came alone.

Do you remember this New York, Rick? He might be busy. No, I do, I do. Yeah, and I'm still blown. Like this is 2014, by the way. Like just a couple of years removed from his active days Still the freaking man So humble and even in all his interviews like you see he the guy is just incredibly humble

And obviously in the news recently because he was at WrestleMania 42 both he and Bret Hart were inducted once again into the WWE Hall of Fame. Second induction for him, third for Bret, the first ever immortal moment for their match at WrestleMania 13. That was the one that they had the double turn with Bret, the blood, Ken Shamrock. My gosh. I'm really excited about all this. Also excited to say, yeah, there's the lineup right there. Today's show is brought to you by our

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We love our good friends over at Avron active and we hope that you support them once again because they support us. And what a day, what a day, matter of moments, Stone Cold Steve Austin, so much to talk to him about. I keep running around here saying, could I get a hell yeah. Yeah, you say what? That way he says it. What? What? What? Can't wait. Can we ask him for a hell yeah? you say what that way says it what what what I'm asking for a hell yeah that's small favor from the back if you don't mind so is that is that for a drop or is that I didn't even think of that but yes look

at you would be not bad I'm always thinking where's the content I'm just like I just want to see him do the thing you just yeah but you know I don't like to treat them like circus monkeys you you know? Only the audio engineer, I get it. No. No, that's fine, it's fine. Who was the alpha button? Oh, I thought you deleted it, so yeah. Wow, that was a little aggressive. I'm not gonna lie, wow.

Is that how I sound? No, no, in my head maybe. Wow, okay, I'm sorry. Exsqueeze me. By the way, it's coming together in Times Square. I don't know if you guys have seen this stuff, but they're actually doing a fight in Times Square. There's a ring there, there's a canopy there.

It's incredible. They're actually doing it. Days away now. Friday. Technically two days away. They're even doing an NYPD versus FDNY fight on the prelims. I don't know if it's gonna be televised or not,

but that's pretty cool. Although, should they be on the same team? No, they do this sort of thing, these white collar boxing events. I just love the idea of some family from Norway coming to New York City for the first time, going to check out, you know, the M&M store, there you see it's under construction,

but it's actually happening. And they're like, what's this? Oh, who's that? That's Ryan Garcia knocking out Rolly Romero. Now you can kind of understand why it's just gonna be quote unquote open to 300 VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV What do you guys think? Are we talking like, is it like 500 million? That's absurd, right? 100 million? I'm thinking at least 50 million.

But they had to like block out all this space for the days leading up into it. Right. It's gotta be like 100 million, man. It's gotta be so expensive. It's gonna be a scene. It's one of those things, like I said, like you buy pay-per-views in hopes of seeing great fights

and sometimes the location is part of the package, part of the appeal. That was the case to a degree this past weekend. Tottenham Hotspur, that's cool, but we've seen it before. We've never seen this before. I would buy the pay-per-view just to see how they pull it off. Oh, by the way, Jim Lampley back on the call.

There's a lot of bells and whistles that makes this a very intriguing buy on a Friday afternoon. I think it starts at five or six because they've got to be out by, I think, 10. Very, very unique. But I just want to see how it looks, ultimately. I just want to see how it looks. So can't wait for that. I cannot wait to speak to our first guest of the day.

Like I said, it has been 11 years since he's been on the program. It is cannot wait to speak to our first guest of the day. Like I said, it has been 11 years since he's been on the program. It is impossible for me to have more respect for an individual considering what he has done, his resume, his body of work, but also considering how he conducts himself, his humility, how he treats others, how he treats the business.

No one says a bad word about this man. Everyone has the utmost respect for him. Everyone pays homage to him and it was so great to see him back in the limelight just a couple of weeks ago in Las Vegas in his adopted home state of Nevada getting getting his flowers once again, two time Hall of Famer now going in there with the great Bret the Hitman heart for their incredible match at WrestleMania 13. It was beautiful stuff. And so it was a big, big deal for me when he said yes to come back on the show. And it is such a great thrill, such a great privilege, honor to say hello once again to the Texas Rattlesnake

himself, the one and only, the inimitable, the often imitated, never duplicated, Stone Cold Steve Austin. Hello Steve, how are you? Hey, good morning, how are you? I'm doing great. It's so great to talk to you again. I really appreciate you doing this. Thank you. Thanks for having me on. I'm looking at myself. I've got a bunch of red here. My lighting is not optimal. I look great. So it's just my lighting here and my wife's office. Listen, I don't know what you're talking about. This is a shoot.

You look fantastic, all right? So don't worry about all of that. You look tremendous. Good to see you again. Well, there's so much to talk to you about, but I actually want to start here and perhaps you will be a little bit surprised as to where I'm starting. I do this show, I talk for many hours, and I often talk

about the art of interviewing. I love interviewing. I'm a real nerd when it comes to the science, and I know that sounds a little bit like Pasha, there's a science to interviewing. I strongly believe it's my favorite thing that I get to do is interview people. And when I'm asked who are my favorite interviewers, at the very top of the list, I always say Stone Cold Steve Austin. And when I'm asked who are my favorite interviewers who have gone from being an athlete turned interviewer, because as you know, an athlete, they feel the questions, they're a little egocentric, they don't know how to turn the tables, going from interviewee to interviewer is not easy, you did it better than anyone. You're number one in my opinion.

And so I wanna give you that props because till this day, when I have a Brett on or a Goldberg on, I go back to your sessions with them and the interviews are phenomenal. You listen, you're empathetic, you have follow ups, you steer the conversation in a perfect way. You don't get enough credit for how good of an interviewer you are.

And quite frankly, if I could be selfish, I wish you would do more of it. I miss your interviews. and quite frankly, if I could be selfish, I wish you would do more of it. I miss your interviews. Well, thank you very much. That's a great compliment coming from you. It has been very successful.

And I don't know, I guess I got lucky because I looked at a lot of people when I started, kind of doing a podcast thing and interviewing people. And of course, when you first start talking to people, even though you've been talking your whole life, the interview part of something is different. So it's a learned skill. So I guess I just grabbed on good, okay,

but I wouldn't say I'm the best by any stretch. You know, I've been thinking a little bit about starting back in the podcast business. I took my podcast off the air about five years ago, at about 2020. So I've been thinking about getting back in the podcast business. I took my podcast off the air about five years ago at about 2020. So I've been thinking about getting back in the game, but maybe doing something that's just a little bit more about my life more so than interviewing people. But I'm kind of trying to make up a decision on that. I started racing in the last three years. I've been staying busy doing stuff like that. So I appreciate that.

That's a hell of a compliment. Please do it. And the sessions were great as well. Those chats were amazing. So, you know, from one viewer and fan, just like to say, would love to have them back. And I just love the way you went about doing things. When you got the call that you were going back

into the Hall of Fame, this time for a match, the first of its kind, what did you think? What was your reaction? Well, I knew that was a great match, no doubt. And I noticed it was going down because Chicago, Rosemount Horizon, one of my favorite buildings to work in, probably the favorite building for me to work in. And I love Bret Hart, and we just always had great chemistry from day one and Triple H gave me the call and I said, hey man, we're thinking about doing this and this is going to be the

first match to go in. And man, I have such a long list of great matches in my mind that could have gone first. But this one obviously made sense. I think there's some great matches. This is one of the great matches, but just the historical impact that it had on the rest of the business after this match unfolded, where Brett would go on to become the heel. I would turn into an anti-hero babyface and have the Austin run. I couldn't have had that run without Brett. And so it was Vince's vision of what, you know, they could have done with Superstar Billy Graham

way back in the day when he was starting to be loved as a heel. And I don't think they knew what to do with him back then beating for the title. And Bob Backlund is a great champion and a great wrestler. But you know, Superstar was never the same. I guess I didn't see the big picture that Vince saw of turning me baby face.

Certainly I was becoming one just from crowd response. Vince saw that, Vince had that vision. We did the turn, the double turn, executed that with perfection. Shout out to Ken Shamrock who was a big part of it as well and the announce team, but it was awesome. You know, it was a great night at the office and every time you go in the ring,

you want to have a match like that. And that doesn't always happen, of course. But at the highest level, we were able to execute and go out there and have a great match. And it was just a big honor to go in and be the first match of his kind to start this new trend. You know, just a day or so after the announcement was made,

I saw you did an interview with someone, I think you're at like an autograph signing and they asked you for your immediate thoughts on going in. And you said, you know, a lot happened leading up to that match behind the scenes, but you won't go into it now. You know, being the inquisitive mind that I am, perhaps we have a little more time.

What were you referring to when you said a lot was going on leading up to that match? Well, you know, like I said, you know, we went into the finish room and it was just myself and some bread. And we kind of got the, you know, like I said, you know, we went into the finish room and it was just myself and some Brett. And we kind of got the, you know, the DL about what we needed to do. And then Brett and I went out there and sit around the ring for a little bit and we just got to shoot the breeze.

And not really laying out a whole lot. I mean, that's just not the way me and Brett worked. And you know, he, you know, he just kind of mentioned it in passing, that it might be great if you got busted open. And I was like, I don't know about that. And so it turns out I hit my head on that guardrail and got busted open. And we already had that crowd who planted sinker,

but that color and that match just magnified at times 100. And then ultimately at the end of the match, when I'm trying to get out of that sharp shooter, that devastating finishing maneuver that breaded used, uh, I couldn't escape and just find a strain and do my damnedest to get out of that and the blood pouring down my face. One of the most iconic images in the history of pro wrestling. I'm not trying to blow smoke up my ass,

that's just the way it was. Couldn't agree more. An iconic shot turned into t-shirts and posters and all that stuff and more. I think a lot of people were wondering if you would be involved in WrestleMania since you were there, you would do something, some kind of appearance.

In the end, we got it. Was that the only plan or other things potentially discussed as far as your involvement Saturday, Sunday? No, man, I was just happy to be there. God dang, you know, I had a knee replacement, give or take about four months ago, and for a total knee replacement to heal up 100%, you're looking at about a year.

And so that was on December 4th. So whatever the timeline is, you would take around four months, I'm feeling really good. I don't squat anymore. I'm doing some hand doing squats along with my workouts. But I haven't even tried to run yet. So I don't even know if I can run,

not that I run a lot to the ring. But I would imagine I'm about 30 or 35%, not 100%, at about 30, 35% of capacity. And so I did what I could and just to be involved in the show, go out there and announce the attendance at WrestleMania night one, night two combined. And that's what I did. And that was about all I could do. I mean, earlier in the year, we'd had, you know, not really discussions, just like briefly,

hey man, you want to be there, maybe we can figure you out. And I said, hey man, I'm getting my knee replaced. We'll see what happens, you know, when that time comes, time came and I can't do much. Logan Paul said on his podcast that he offered you a sum of money to dress up in a prime bottle and you turn it down. Is that true?

Right? You know, if he said that, you know, I'm not going to call him a liar. And I just thought that was kind of personal business. But so since it's out there, yeah, turn it down. I'm in the beer, but I'm in the beer business. I sell broken skull beer. And, you know, we're in about 25 or 30 states. I don't know anything about his product. I don't know about the ingredients in it,

if it's good, if it's bad or whatever. So, you know, it just, it wasn't my thing. So, you know, yeah, I turned it down just because I wasn't into it. And that's no disrespect to him or his product. I saw the reaction to that news coming out after he said it and I think it was like 99.9% people

saying, thank God he turned it down. I don't think a lot of people, with all due respect to him and his product, which I have no issues with, I don't think people wanted to see you dressed up in a prime bottle. No, man, it's just, not my gimmick, you know? Like I said, he's done really well.

Obviously he's hustling and he's going and getting it and more power to it. It just wasn't a great fit for Steve Austin. Could I ask, obviously I'd be remiss if I don't ask your perspective on the ATV riding. What happened there? Oh, just different throttle setup than what I'm normally used to.

And long story short, just different throttle system because I'm pretty manhandling on a four wheeler. Any sort of aftermath there to all that? No, just, you know, I was embarrassed about it and I think everybody's okay. But I mean, you know, I was embarrassed about it. I think everybody's okay. But I mean, you know, you go out there on the biggest night, you know, in wrestling, and you end up like that. It's not the greatest day at the office.

You go out there and you want to give people the best show that you can, and when you fall short of that, it's not great. Speaking of unannounced appearances or whatnot, I was there a couple years ago in in in Texas when you and ko had the Finale on night one and I always wondered about something if if if it was always the plan for it to turn into what it Turned into why wasn't it promoted as such because it was promoted as the ko show, right? It was promoted as the ko shows promoted as sort of like an interview and then it ended up being almost like a full blown match and I wondered, wow, the reaction to the buildup

would have been so great. Could you tell us how we got to that point and was it always supposed to be like that? No, just because I mean we were at Uncharted Waters when they came up with that. It was getting pretty close to the time that it was going to be WrestleMania. We went out and filmed that promo right down the road from my house, but I didn't get a ring to practice in. Man, I trained like a sumbitch to get in shape with that match, and when you don't have a ring,

when you're not doing cardio-specific activities like running the ropes, but if somebody had to slam them doing wrestling activity, your cardio is just not there. So, you know, it was going to be built as what it was. And I guess so maybe it would lessen the expectations of the people like you say, this will be a full blown match. Well, again, I wasn't in that kind of condition. I looked good. But

my gas tank wasn't there. And then I've always prided myself anybody several work with me knows that if we're going, you know, I might, if, I'm not gonna say that I never blew up, but if I did, I never stopped. I kept going at WrestleMania, working with KO, and I was blowing pretty good, but I kept just getting a sip of beer just to kind of quench my thirst,

because, you know, I was out of shape, I wasn't in ring shape. So I guess bottom line, long story short, just so if you haven't and I hadn't been in a ring in almost 20 years, it's just like Triple H Undertaker and Hogan said, you know, one hand I don't have any time and other hand I don't have any time and on the other hand I don't really know what I have.

Another hand, you know, I'm not calloused up, my body's not ready. So each one of those guys said something that was very true about that match and zero timing. I ran the ropes two days for that match in the ring they had at the hotel. So you know, if you build it as such, those have been high expectations to live up to. So then you over-deliver on something that's unexpected. Okay. I completely understand. If that ends up being your last sort of active, quote unquote match, are you at peace with that?

Totally, totally. There's always that part in the back of your mind where, you know, there was a match, I think they bill it as like an exhibition match. It was between Nick Bockwinkle and Bill Robinson over in Japan. And man, those two guys, they've been on a really nice clinic. I think it's about an 11, 13 or 15 minute match. And of course, the Japanese people really appreciated that match. Those guys

were bad asses and they can really work. So to do something like that would be fun. You know again it's an exhibition you're not trying to go out there and steal the show. You're just going to go out there and try to do it one more time in front of the fans because you love the business as much as you do and it would be very interesting. So you always think in the back of your mind about something like that. And again exhibition style so you don't have all that pressure of trying to be who you were in your athletic prime because when you're out of prime there's just a night and day difference of how you can perform and that's just the bottom line. That's the way it is for any athlete and any sport

But if that was my last endeavor in the ring, I'm totally at peace with it I ran hard. I had fun. We achieved a lot and It was what it was and I have no regrets. So I gave it everything I had. Were you ever, when you were coming up, when you were at the very top of the game, cognizant of maybe some of the guys who stuck around too long and said that you didn't want to be one of those guys,

I know injuries played a part, your body plays a part, you had been through the wringer, but I also feel like the reason why people bring this up so much is because they want more of you. You never stuck around too long. We didn't get an over saturation of Stone Cold. Were you cognizant of that and didn't want to be the, because even right now you could be around,

you could be doing stuff on camera. I'm sure the door is open. Do you not want to be one of those guys? No, I don't want to hang around too long. But when I look back, I think your perspective on things that happened in the ring changed kind of as you, you know, go down the road of life.

When I look at some of the guys who maybe some people considered hanging around too long, I get the fact that, okay, maybe on one hand, financially they didn't take care of themselves. But then also, on the other hand, it's just, and probably more so, is just they love the freaking business so much that they just don't want to get out of it. And I didn't have an exit strategy either. I just simply pulled the cord on myself, pulled the plug, due to what was going

on. I'm doing my list of injuries and I got out. But a lot of people hang around just because they love that shit so much. And I just can't blame them for that. And that's just the way it is. But anytime I go in front of a crowd, I kind of have a timer in my head about, you know, leave them wanting more. Don't want to leave them wanting you less. God dang, it was cool seeing Austin, but he stayed out there all freaking day. Jesus Christ, get him out, give him the hook. I don't want to be that guy when I'm going out there. So that's kind of the way it was with my career, and that's kind of the way I appearances I want to I'd rather get out too soon rather than stay too long and wear out your welcome.

There was a lot of obviously chatter in the aftermath of WrestleMania did they get it right did they get it wrong I'm wondering did you did you watch both nights and and if so I'd love to just ask your perspective who better than you and so the first question is, did you watch the entirety of the two events? No, I didn't. What about the the ending of night two, the the Sina roads finish? I didn't see it. You didn't see it. What did you go home? Yes, I did. Wow. Any particular reason?

No, I just wanted to beat the ground. OK, interesting. And I haven't watched it back. Wow. Do you do not watch it actively these days? Like are you not, I mean maybe you follow but don't sit down and watch all the ads? I follow WWE on IG. That's where I get most of my content.

I get the snippets and stuff that they play and that's what I see. Okay. I did see a clip of you and EO Sky. You seem to be very impressed with her. She was one of the earlier matches. What about that performance, that match, led to this moment between the two of you?

That was one of my favorite matches of the entire two days. And right before this, about 30 minutes before this, I saw Bianca Belair and I told her the same thing. Had I seen Rhea, I would have told her the same thing. Man, it was just an amazing match. Great timing, very physical. And those three women are bad asses to begin with. All of them are great workers. And man, Bianca in the short time she's been around has really picked everything up. And I really like that match and also like that match. Well, I like to drew McIntyre's match with priest I like the The match with a ray

brawn breaker who else was in there, but there's four guys in the ring and Dominic excuse me dominant dominant goes over. Yeah What a finish and the right guy went over and a ring full of killers, of course You don't expect him to go over. That was another one of my favorite matches. Could I ask what do you like right now about the business or maybe who in particular? Like who is someone that you're like, that guy has it.

That guy's or that girl is doing it right. Well, you know, Rhea is doing it right. I mean, she's been around for now, you know, she's a veteran, but she still gets better. I like the way she bumps. She takes a lot of pride in the way she bumps, the way she sells. She's a solid physical person. I'd like to see Charlotte get back on track with her storyline

or whatever's going on with her, because I love her. Bayley didn't get to perform at WrestleMania. I love their starting up an angle with her and Becky. Of course, we let Becky's back. Guy-wise, I love what Brian Breaker's doing. I want to see how he improves. It's interesting to see that he's with Paul Heyman. Paul Heyman can't get the best out of your lost cause.

And that kid has blue chipper written all over him. So under the tutelage or under the learning tree of Paul Heyman, I look for big, big things from Brian Breaker. And there's a ton of men and women that I'll forget, not forget, but not mention just because I don't watch, you know, my wife doesn't watch wrestling, so I don't watch wrestling as much as I used to. We eat dinner and watch a show.

I love that. I do love the fact that you're very well aware of, I mean, you're mentioning guys and girls doing stuff. So it's not like you're completely, you know, out of the mix here. Yeah, man. I mean, God dang, man. The business has changed so much since when I got in there because, you know, if you work with the Nashville fairgrounds, you know, that building

is shaped like a rectangle. Hills addressing over here, babies over here. There's no common dressing room. That referee's going to come in there and give each guy the finish. He could go out there and call that the ring. So that's the way we were working. And that was a weekly territory. We're in, what was Nashville, that was a Friday night or Saturday night show. And we were traveling the rest of the USWA territory. So that's what that's what I grew up on and grew up doing. And you know, listening to to the people and making your decisions, you know, accordingly and calling up matching the ring. And now it's just turned into the fast-paced more athletic style

that it has and the men and women are amazing. The storylines are, let me see, a little more complicated, very interesting, more levels of depth. So I enjoy it for what it is. I am a pro wrestling fan. I'm glad to go pro wrestling again. The sports entertainment thing was great for what it was intended. So it didn't insult people's intelligence. And now being on Netflix,

it kind of lifted the curtain a little bit more, but I watch each stage that the business develops into, and I appreciate it from the K-8 Man days and to the nowadays. I'm a fan. I'm always a fan. Wrestling fans, they're old school in a sense. They're nostalgic.

And so when things like, there's this documentary that's coming out of series on Netflix where they're gonna show behind the scenes like the writing process, the creative process called WWE Unreal, or even little things like ads all over the ring, they get very fired up. To the non-fan, you'd be like, who cares?

When you see this stuff, how do you feel about it? Are you old school like that? Should there not be ads on the ring? Should there not be cameras in the writing room? Man, that's where I'm still a little old school on that. And it's just like, I'm a big magic fan, but you know, if Harry Houdini's still around, you know, I don't want him to tell me how he does it.

I want to figure out how he does it. And if I can't, then I'm gonna keep wondering, and I'm gonna keep watching, but I'm gonna keep wondering. So don't tell me how he's doing it, but see if I can figure it out myself. Because I want to think that, yeah, I know it's not magic it's it's an illusion but let me keep wondering about that illusion very much agree with that I've heard you say recently that you never wanted I'll correct myself it was your idea to turn heel at WrestleMania

17 but you regret it is that a fair assessment you wish you didn't do it you kind of wish that you called an audible in the moment and stunned Vince. And that led me to think of John Cena. And I also have heard you say you didn't watch it. And I know here you're telling me you don't watch it. And I a hundred percent understand that. Could I just ask, do you think there will become a time

down the line where he regrets he didn't have to turn heel? Do you feel like the same thing will happen to him? First of all, to answer what you said, yeah, man, if I could go back in a magic time machine, I would have told Vince, hey man, we used him. He helped me interfere, beat the hell out of Rock with that chair. He's very physical.

Well, I laid that stuff in. And I went into that match, that buildup, that package that they put together, that really kind of reinvigorated me. We were both in there, the number one and two baby faces. I wanted one or two talents in the world going head to head. And I love working with The Rock, but I'd have called that audible and I told Vince, after it was all said and done, watch this stunner.

I'd have dropped him on that stack of dimes he called a neck and I would have stayed a baby face going on to John Cena. Man, I love what Cena's doing. I love the way that guy talks, his promos, where he's going with it. I know some people think differently, but I like the ride that he's taking me on because I'm invested in John Cena. I've watched him for a long time. He's a class act.

And I think he's going to look back and love what he's doing, because he loves the business. I think he truly enjoys it, Nita. He loves it so much that at this stage of his life, he's had so much success at this stage of his life, he's had so much success at this stage of his life in the business and outside of the business and the movie industry and entertainment. He's only doing this because he loves it that much.

And he wants to take the people on another ride and a ride that they haven't been on yet and it's warranted and deserved. I love that by the way. Did you ever think that we would be living in a time where Vince McMahon is alive but not affiliated with WWE? It seems weird. But I mean, only for a minute, because you know, when they sold the company to TKO or whatever the deal is, you know, it was like, okay, it was kind of like the end of an era. And now that we've taken a breath, okay, we digested that the era is over, and it is what deal is. You know, it was like, okay, it was kind of like the end of an era. And now that we've taken a breath,

okay, we digested that the era's over and it is what it is. So I remember talking to Vince 100 years ago when he wanted to take the company public. And I told him, I said, dude, it was just me and him. I said, why do you want to go public? He goes, Steve, it'd be more legitimate. I was like, man, what the hell, be more legitimate.

He owned the whole damn thing, he was worth a shit ton of money, how much do you want? So I never understood it to begin with, and I love working with Bench, I love working with all of them, the McMansions, I've had a tremendous time working with WWE, and we haven't always seen eye to eye on everything, but I gave them all my blood sweat and tears and

They gave me a bunch of opportunities to go out there and crush home runs and grand slams If the opportunity presented itself and I could carry out the mission we had a great time together But you know that era is gone and a new one has began has begun and it's taken off and it's Seemed like it's going good. Can I ask, when were you the happiest in your career? Does a timeframe, does a year come to mind? No, that's an interesting question just because some of the happiest days of my life

was when I was living at the Congress Inn in Nashville, Tennessee, starving my ass off, you know, eating tuna fish and raw potatoes, because I didn't have a hot plate or nothing to cook it with, damn sure didn't have a microwave. And I was happy then because I was learning so much. And you know, when you're starving, and you're making $15 or $20 a night, and those are shoot payoffs,

that was how much I was making. And I was probably getting overpaid and most of those round trips, most of those round trips, you know, going to and from Memphis back to Nashville, Evansville back to Nashville, Louisville back to Nashville, I mean it was close to 400 mile round trips, man. I was starving but I was having a blast because I was mile round trips, man. I was starving, but I was having a blast because I was making money. When I got the call up to WCW and that was a great time. When I went to ECW, that was a great time. Hey, man, when I finally broke through a stone cold Steve Austin, it just became a force.

That was a damn good time. It just seems like no matter, there's so many times when you're having the time of your life and it's not always about getting on top. Sometimes it's just fighting through the struggles and those little wins of like going to Evansville, Indiana on a Wednesday night and getting a little bit better pop than you got the week before and maybe a little bit bigger pop than you got the week before. And maybe a little bit bigger pop than you got the week before. It's all these little things that add up. And over the course of a career,

I can't say that anytime was my... Well, I could say that when I got white hot at Stone Cold, that was a fricking blast. But I guarantee you, man, those days when I was starving, because I wanted to be a pro wrestler, 100% through and through in my whole, in whatever, in my whole totality, I want to be a pro wrestler. And when you get a chance to put on some ties and some boots and go in there and work in a ring, and you're living

out your dream, then that's a good freaking time. Just for a nostalgic sake. Um, we were looking back to see if you competed on this day and maybe this jogs your memory, maybe it doesn't just for fun. April 30th. That's today, 1992 at the South Florida fairgrounds at the Expo center in West Palm beach, Florida, a man by the name of Steve Austin teamed up with Rick Rood, the dangerous Alliance to go up against Ivan Koloff and Ricky Steamboat.

They beat you on that night. Perhaps even more fun than that is that in 1996, you wrestled three times at a TV taping, once against Matt Hardy, the other against Fatu, and then Shawn Michaels for the belt in Des Moines, Iowa, at the Veterans Memorial Auditorium right before, this is 96, right before King of the Ring. You had that run with Shawn Michaels, and then you Des Moines, Iowa at the Veterans Memorial Auditorium right before this is 96 right before King of the Ring You had that run with Shawn Michaels. You had just turned from ringmaster to Stone Cold and you were about to explode any of that

Take you back three times by the way in that year in that month in 96 you wrestle 22 times We looked 22 times in the month of April back in 1996 Man back in the day and really that, we were on the road. Sometimes, I mean, we were working 27 out of 30 days. And when you go to some of those TV tapings, you might be working anywhere from three to four times, depending on how you were booked. I mean, that was just the mission, the task at hand. So working multiple times, working multiple times these days,

it seemed like damn near impossible, but back in the day, that's just the way it was. And it's funny because I can't remember being in the ring with Ivan Koloff. You sure about that? Yeah, are you saying that, here it is. Ivan Koloff and Ricky Steamboat defeated the dangerous alliance, Rick Root and Steve Austin,

April 30th, 1992 at the South Florida Fairgrounds Expo Center. Golly, I guess if you say it happened, it did. I remember one time we were down there, I think it was a little town right outside of Orlando called Pace, Florida, if I'm not mistaken. And we were all dressing in like, I don't know if it was like an RV or like a single wide

and for some reason Harley Race was managing Vader at the time and he was going to get out there, he's going to go out there, someone didn't show up or whatever happened and he was going to wrestle Ric Flair. Of course Flair and Harley Race had wrestled a million times in the past. And I just remember something like the Harley saying the Flair, something like St. Louis 76 or whatever it was. He was kind of giving him, you know, a match that they had a hundred years ago. They were basically kind of go out there and do the same thing. So it was just a classic Harley moment. You had to know Harley because Harley

always kind of talked about like this. And you know, he was extremely tough and no one messed with Harley. And of course, Rick adored Harley and Harley did so much for Rick. But see those two old veterans go out there and put on a hell of a show and hear them have that brief conversation was something I still remember to this day more so than the matches I would have had said TV David. Incredible. I'll let you go in a moment. I can't thank you enough for the time. I just wanted to ask because I went back and watched some of that match against Shawn Michaels on this day in 1996. And it's wild to see you in WWF at the time without the very iconic music that accompanied the

rest of your career, the glass break and all that stuff. Do you remember when that was first presented to you and do you remember how you felt when you saw, okay, this is the new music? Because you can't look at you without that music, that music did so much. Do you remember when it was all presented and came together? Because the music they had you walk out to didn't quite have the same type of, you know, punch, if you will. Man, I was lost because, you know, I'd wrestled for, you know, seven years as stunning Steve Austin. And I had some pretty decent music back in WCW to go back and listen to that.

And then all of a sudden you got this slow plotting ringmaster type music that just, you can't get any kind of swagger to it. You can't get jazzed up about it. It doesn't spike your adrenaline. You're like lost. And so you have, it's like an actor forming an identity or like a bio to be able to draw decisions from and an acting role because of their past. And I didn't have any past. I was trying to go in on something completely fresh that I couldn't identify with it. And I was basically in no man's land walking to the ring, trying to make chicken salad out of chicken shit. And somehow, some way it ended up working. But in that transition, it didn't necessarily feel like it always was. But you know, I was committed

to being the best that I could be. And I had to weather the storms that anybody else would have to. And I did. And it all worked out tremendously. And once again, you get your, your flowers that you so deserve a shout out to the GFI racing team, which you are a part of broken skull beer, El Segundo beer, which I do believe you recently celebrated 10 years with them. You're, you're a force now in the beer business,

which is tremendous to see. I hear you're getting back into the movie business as well with Walk-Ons, right? Get back no movie business, man. Hey, come on. Are you both kidding me? No, I mean, that's the word on the street. That's what people are saying.

Ain't nobody telling me about it. All right, all right. Well, that's what I, so it's not, you're not involved in this. Walk on? Yeah. I ain't never heard of it. Okay, well, apparently not, apparently not.

I'm out here in BFE in Nevada, dude. I don't get the latest news until a couple of weeks later. Well, that's perfect. You're doing it right. You're out of the limelight. No one's bothering you. You're living your life. You're out of the limelight. No one's bothering you. You're living your life. You appear to be very happy

and getting back to 100% healthy. And it's tremendous to see. Again, I'm not trying to blow too much smoke up your behind, but it's a real privilege and honor to have you on the program and appreciate you taking some time out. So thank you very much. Congrats on the great honor a couple of weeks ago

and good luck with everything coming up as well. We really appreciate it and wish you well. Let me have another 11 years. Okay, all right, damn. I don't know if that's a compliment or not, but I'll take it. Hey, no, give me a call. Let's talk again in a couple of years.

It's great catching up with you, big fan. I always love what you do. Thank you, Steve. Means a lot, appreciate it. There he is. There he is, the great, still cold Steve Austin, kind enough to join us. Apparently not in the upcoming film, Walk-Ons.

But he is, I wanted to give a shout out, I sort of forgot there at the end. Shout out to Pancho and Macho, who if you follow him on social media, you will know, are his cats. There they are. Two solid ass cats. Two solid ass cats. And who's the gentleman behind them?

Mr. Ed? Yeah, I don't know. Steve Austin. No, I mean, the guy just poking his ass. He posts a lot about his cats, right? Yeah, all the time. Can I tell you my favorite thing about? My favorite thing is a Mr. Ed reference in 2025.

You say your favorite thing, then I want to say my favorite thing. Golly, I should have. By the way, my favorite thing, it's tremendous. Did you buy it just for this appearance? No, no, no, it was a Stone Cold for Halloween. Oh, that's right, we should have showed him.

We should have showed him. Why didn't you mention that? I don't know, it's not about me. Listen, my favorite thing about him, some will get it, some will not get it, he uses these old school wrestling terms. It's a shoot this, we did a Broadway. I just, I love everything about it.

It doesn't get more old school than that guy. Even how he talks about the babies were here, the heels were there, the referee came into the locker room to tell, do you understand what that is? At one time in the business, the baby faces and the heels, like if you go behind the scenes, if you go backstage at a wrestling event in 2025, everyone's just working out together. I told you guys, I think when my kids went back there the first time, the only time, I think they were like, oh, this is an exact, like they saw the guys going over things. I loved it. Of course I know what it is. So I thought it was very cool. But there was once a time where they wanted to, you know, keep the kayfabe up so very well that they would have the good guys on one

side of the arena, the bad guys on the other side of the arena, and they wouldn't interact behind the scenes, just in case someone saw them. There was a thing in like the late 80s where Hacksaw, Jim Duggan, and the Iron Sheik were pulled over for some sort of like reckless driving, and it was a big deal because they were in the midst of a feud. Hacksaw was a good guy. Iron Sheik was a bad guy and everyone was like, what is this? And they were driving around together.

Yes. Yes. This is a huge deal. You look it up. It's like, it's like the moment that everyone felt like the business was exposed. Fast forward some 40 years, 38 years, and there's documentaries showing us the behind the scenes.

Now I love that stuff. I eat it up. I adore it. This is not me saying, but it's just amazing to see 38 years and there's documentaries showing us the behind the scenes. Now, I love that stuff. I eat it up, I adore it. This is not me saying, but it's just amazing to see how far it's come and how hard they try to keep that kayfabe intact. You know what I mean? It's amazing. I always love the stories of the heels healing off on little kids just because they had to maintain appearances. Amazing. Like at the IHOP asking for an autograph and they have to heal off on a little kid. Spit in their face. I love that. I love that stuff. My favorite part of the interview was he kept kind of making references or using slang that a person from Texas would and then you also introduced him as the Texas Rattlesnake and then 30 minutes into the interview

Frank goes, is this guy from Texas? Oh. So growing up in Texas, his name Austin. interview Frank goes is this guy from Texas Is it Steve Austin is it Stephen F Austin cuz that's yeah, he's like BDE we say that down in Texas BFE BFE I can't wait for walk-ons. OK, listen, listen, listen. I'm looking at something right. Where is this from, Jordan?

Jordan sent me something. OK, this is IMDB. It says it's in pre-production, but it has it listed as the number one star of the movie. Are we sure? Click that part. I want you to see if it's the same thing. It took me right to Steve Austin's IMDB,

where I'm like, let me make sure, and it's all just WWE stuff as previous. Oh, sure enough. Oh, he's Steve Austin IV? I didn't realize. Now I'm starting to think, who's the first? No, that might be, on IMDB, that might be like how many- By the way, is it possible he was K-faving me there?

Maybe he was no-selling me there. I don't think so. After a local factory closes down in a small town, a group of men that have been friends since high school decide to join their local D3 college football team and help their sons have a national championship season. So the Walk-Ons are a bunch of old dudes walking onto their D3 team? I don't know, I've never heard of it. I thought it was like a remake of something dudes walking on to their d3 team. I

Don't know. I've never heard of it. I thought it was like a remake of something Wasn't there another movie called walk on or something? No, the Rock did walk on. Yeah, it was not football Standing tall tall tall tall Jesus I like how he just stiff arm me there. He's like, nope. No, no what you're talking about. I find out the news two weeks later What walking tall walking tall walking tall there? Wow, not even close I guess walk walk. It's the same thing. Come on. Hey, how about how about how about when when I asked him about the Logan Paul thing? I thought that was private business. I was like, ooh, I like that. But I also like how respectful his answer is. It's just not for me. That's not the Steve Austin character.

And should be told, couldn't be more right, right? It was so weird to see him doing that. This says Chris Jericho is also in the Walk-ons. Yeah. And Tyrus? And Marino. James Toona? James Toona?

No. James Toona's in it too. Right, you should have played that when he's like, what, I don't know what you're talking about. By the way, is this in the same category as James Tohuna? No. I mean, there's clearly visual evidence. His reaction was also less funny.

Yeah. Of course. No, but is it like, do we chalk this up to me effing up or is it maybe just the internet screwing us? No, I'm looking at the Walk On's IMDB page and it does say lead star is Steve Austin as Mad Dog. All right, well, yeah, there you go. They even have his character name.

By the way, some breaking news here. This pertaining to our show, this was just tweeted by Bareknuckle FC. Yesterday's announcement regarding Jeff Molina's signing was premature. We respect the ABC's current suspension and will honor their rules and suspensions. Now, I will say this, to Jeff's credit, he did say, I don't know when I'm debuting, and he was unclear as to whether he will debut in the midst of the suspension or after. He never gave us a name, or excuse me, a date. He could sign with anyone, so not sure what's the issue there, but an interesting...are they saying he didn't

sign with him? With Feldman or with BKFC? I will also say I did receive some calls in the aftermath of that interview, perhaps there'll be some questions pertaining to this in the On the No segment, but there were some people pushing back on some of the things that he said. Out of respect, we could talk about this afterwards,

but the aftermath was very, very interesting. Like I said, when we say goodbye to him, I still feel like there's a lot more that we need to find out about this. And honestly, I have more questions than I think I did before the interview. Interesting one, but there you have it from BGFC, so I guess he hasn't officially signed with them,

or at least come to terms with them. All right, we move along. It's a great day here on the program. Looking forward to Rampage Jackson coming up. Looking forward to Eddie Hall as well. But now we are going to talk to a fascinating individual and a pretty damn big deal from the world of football. But there's a reason why we're talking to him on this particular Wednesday, we found out on Friday of this past week that Patrice Evra, formerly of Man United, Juventus, Monaco, Marseille, and West Ham, former member of Les Bleus, the French national team, multiple-time Premier League winner, Champions League winner, on and on it goes. If you're a sports fan, if you're a football fan, you have heard of this man.

He is crossing over to the world of fighting. Now we have heard and seen people from the world of European football, American football, different sectors of entertainment come over to combat sports. But more often than not, in the last five, six, seven years, it has been the world of boxing. Credit to him, he's crossing over to combat sports but more often than not in the last five six seven years

It has been the world of boxing credit to him He's crossing over to the world of mixed martial arts and he'll be doing it in his home country of France May 23rd PFL Europe in Paris Acre arena some massive deal now We don't know as of right this second who he'll be facing but just the fact that he's doing it He'll be 44 by the time the fight happens is a pretty damn big deal and so without further ado let us say hello to the great patrice evra who is joining us all the way in united arab emirates salui mon ami how are you alieu ariel i'm still alive uh to be honest. Thank you for having me in your show

because for me it's a privilege, especially as you are expert on this sport, it's completely new for me. But I'm living your dream, to be honest, because I'm going to this career as a really humble person because I was always interested about the MMA. And today, to be honest, uh, I just finished my training session. I'm just two weeks.

I'm training twice per day and he's no joke. And he's no joke. This is not football. This is real. And I'm crazy. I just love it. But for me, like I say, I really feel blessed to, uh, to have this opportunity and today to be interviewed,

not in the football, but in the MMA world. It's incredible. And we really appreciate you coming on. I know it's late over there, so thank you so much. Could I ask, how did this all start? This idea of you actually competing in MMA? So I've been approached many times, since I retired about box.

I think people know I like fighting, the sport combat. Then it didn't happen. My schedule was really busy to be honest. Since I retired, I'm working more than when I used to play. Then I think it was eight years ago, a third part, Kedu, a good friend, came with an offer. But at the end, we didn't make the fight because some of the opponents didn't want to fight me. And to be honest, it happened three weeks ago. I received a call and they said,

Patrice, are you interested to do your debut in PFL? I said, yes, without hesitating. They were like, really? They were like quite in shock. I said yes because it's a moment of my life where you know May is my month birthday and you know all my investment, all my things I could have take these months off for preparing to be serious because like I for me, the fight is not important. Of course I will have to win. The most important is the journey is like every day in the training, the way I'm struggling and dying.

Even the coach are quite surprised because I'm asked for more and more and more, you know, in football you use your legs or the legs we can kick, I'm fine. But the grabbing, you know, all of that, the wrestling, that's when I'm using muscle I didn't use before. You know, I've done a lot of crossfit or whatever, but it's a completely different world. And that's why this is inspiring me,

because I always say working out is a luxury. And so what's fascinating about this is, as I said at the top, we have seen a lot of athletes, celebrities crossover into fighting over the last few years, but very, very, very rarely do we see them come into MMA. They just do boxing because, not to suggest it's easier, but you only have to worry about the punches

and defending yourself. Why not go that route as opposed to the one you are choosing to go down, which is mixed martial arts, a lot more complex? Yeah, no, I'm a big fan of boxing. I respect any people, you know, going to the box world, but I don't know. I was always curious about what's the feeling, you know, being inside that cage, you know,

it's a little bit like an animal. And the way I played football, I was a defender, so I'm really explosive, you know, I'm always like, you know, low, professional. And after when you meet friends like Khabib and you see them training and you see the fight, the fighting, like I like Michael Benon, also a good friend, Islam, I can, you know,

Francis Ghanou, I can mention many of them. It's just, I'm always curious, okay, people see just the fight, but what they have to do every day. I want to put my body in that pain every single day. And I'll be honest, it's two weeks we've been trained and I had only one day off. Like for example, tomorrow is my son's birthday

and I asked the coach if we can do only a training session in the morning, he said, no, we do morning and after you finish the birthday of your son, a training session in the morning. He said no, we do morning and after you finish the birthday of your son then you come in the evening. So that's the standard but I don't complain like I say I forget Patrice Evra the Leysian football player or captain or whatever. I'm a student, I have a lot of respect for the kids because I see so many young kids you know working in the gym, coming every day of course course, they're enthusiasts when they see me. But that's why I want to make sure this is not to create a buzz or whatever. This is a direction I'm going and I'm enjoying, you know, the journey.

It's really hard. Like when I back home later, my arm, I couldn't even like take off my shirt. Even my wife was like, Patrice, you know, are you okay? Are you sure about that? I said, don't worry, in 20 minutes, you will be fine. I put some ice and it will be fine. You just have to enjoy the pain, you know? And so as of right this moment,

do you know who you'll be fighting? No, I'd be honest with you, Ariel. I will tell you, I have nothing to hide. First of all, I didn't ask my coach because the person I'm fighting right now is myself. So I'm more like my opponent is Patrice, is nobody else. I have all due respect of people going to accept the fight. Yes, it's true.

When the PFL asked me who I would like, I say Luis Posuarez because I had a beef with him back in the day when I was captain of United and he played for For Liverpool, I'd like some racist abuse. I don't call him a racist It's just that they use some racist word and I want to do this fight You know, I met him after when I play for Juventus we play in the final champion's league I shook his hand so I have no issue But I think the world the world want to see that fight.

So I'm like, please, you know, accept the offer. I don't know if it will be the first or the second or the third fight, but I think the world deserve to see that fight. Yes, it was a huge story about 14 or so years ago between you and him and fans and everything. You put that in your tweet when you made the announcement. To the best of your knowledge, have you heard any sort of response or feeling from him

as to whether he's interested in doing this? I was quite surprised because I don't know if it's true. I'm always careful, but Kalu and Marboza, apparently his manager contact the PFL, maybe to come and to watch my first fight. I will be surprised because to be honest, he's still playing football and this is completely different. He can get injured, but maybe it will happen. Maybe not.

But like I say, it's not. It's something I ask if it doesn't happen. It's not a big deal. Me, like I said, my first priority is to make sure, you know the profession the pro they see my posture you know my my defense all of that they're like okay these guys is taking it serious like i'm more worried about what the real fighter because i'm not yet a real fighter i didn't do a fight they will say okay what is this clown no this for me my my my uh the way I think I will win this fight is when people will say, oh, actually he got something.

And to be honest, my coach, they don't give me a lot of compliments, but they're quite surprised the way I learned because I know from outside, it can look like a violent sport, but actually so much tactics, so much technique, you know, timing. And that's what I love because I so much technique, you know, timing. And that's what I love because I learn every day, you know, the grabbing, all to pull up your hands, you know, all of that, that inspired me. Is the hope and goal as of now to have more than one fight? Uh, the people already talking without asking me. I think they did see my first training session and they were quite impressed.

I don't want to sell a dream to people. Like I say, it's step by step. I'm living the present. The present is to make sure I turn on in the gym every morning and every evening. But let's do this first fight. Everything can happen. Everything can happen. Everything can happen. I know Dubai was quite close to hijack the fight.

They're really because I'm living in Dubai. So for them, it will be amazing if I can do the fight here, but I already made the agreement with, with Paris and it will be in my own town. So everything can happen, Ariel. But like I say, it's too early, but I heard voice, PFL already working on the second and the third fight. Wow, okay.

That's putting the cart a little bit before the horse, but I can understand their enthusiasm because you're such a big deal. And will it be an official pro fight in the sense that three five minute rounds, same rules as any pro fight? I'll be honest, Ariel, I didn't talk about this, the rule, if I can, you know, knee or whatsoever,

the gloves, if we gonna put like pads. At the moment, they didn't explain me everything, but I'm training the way to expect everything. Like the way, like I have this question many time, people ask me, but what is your style? I don't know, because I'm working on every, every, you know, part of the fight, like when I am on the ground, because it can happen when, you know, I receive a punch or I will react, the grabbing, the wrestling,

you know, I think a massive shout out, you know, to Ramsey and Emile, my two coach, because we really connected and they trust me. One is like 125 kilo, he's a beast, even when he show me sometime the movement, I feel like he can, he can injury me really easily. And Emile is like really tall. So, you know, I have maybe some time to kick really high, always with a smile, but the killer.

So they don't give me any present because they understand I am not here for playing. I am here to respect the sport and I am here to respect all the amateur and all the professional. One last detail-oriented question. Do you know what weight class you'll be in? Yeah, so they talk about 73.

When I had the call, I was 80. So now I am at 76 after two weeks. So I'm not worried about the weight class. I don't like to be 73. I feel like, or even if, you know, you look your apps and everything, but I like to, when I used to play, for example, I was 75 kilos. So it would be like two less kilos normally than I used to when I was playing in the high level. Okay, and so for the American fans, 73 kilos around 160 pounds. So around lightweight.

We saw a great video a couple days ago of you and Khabib Nurmagomedov speaking via FaceTime. Is he in fact going to help you train for this fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah. To be honest, we were supposed to train Friday, but he had a little issue in the training and he showed me his little injury so he recovered. But definitely before the fight, he wanted to test me. He's a good friend. I love him, but sometimes the way he looked at me, I feel love, but I also feel like he wants to kill me, you know. I'm like, you know, I've got a fight. No, send me your location. He's not joking. When you say send, he asked me send me my location at least 10 times. He's really, you know, he's really happy.

I remember now I know him for a few years. I invite him, you know, at Old Trafford to watch a game and introduce him to Sir Alex Ferguson. And we have that close relationship. And I was quite surprised or excited. He was. I remember the first text he said, Patrice, I've been contacted to the PFL. They say someone called Patrice Evra will make his debut. And the only Patrice Evra I know is you. That's that's correct.

I say yes. And straight away he called me, come, we need to train straight away. So for me, like I say, he's an owner. Imagine how many kids will dream to be at that place where someone like Khabib actually want to show you some skill. So no, I'm living a dream, but every day in the gym, trust me, is a nightmare. It's a great video because I can understand fully what you're saying.

He's being almost like a tough, like he nightmare. It's a great video because I can understand fully what you're saying. He's being almost like a tough, like he's giving you like tough love. He's not sugarcoating, he's not kissing your ass. And he keeps saying, send me the location. He almost, it almost feels like he doesn't believe you. No, no, really, he say straight away,

he say, you know, I'm more scary than Sir Alex Ferguson. You know, this is no joke. This is no football. You know, I can show you the message is really serious. Like, but even my coach, you know, that's the same way they they not give me any present like they when they eat, they eat good. They want me to feel the pain. So for me, it's perfect.

I say to to to come in, you know, it's it's it's an honor. But yeah, don't endear me. But I know when we're going to sparring or whatever is going to make sure I feel it. You want to make sure like you want to go this world. OK, let me see if you can handle like, I will say maybe 70 percent of this trend, because if you do 100 percent, I'm not sure I will be able to do that fight. Any chance he corners you? I don't know. I think Khabib is also a busy man.

He will be really happy. But to be honest, for all due respect I have for Khabib, my priority is Ramsey and Emelo, you know, my two coaches. I start with them and I want them in my corner because at the end, you know, I realize you need to trust your coach, you know. It's not like you come and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, no. It's all you have to be patient, you know, it's three minutes, like maybe the 30 seconds,

you start to looking, you know, because when you look from outside as a fan, you always think, you know, when they do nothing is boring, but actually I realized that's when it's important. That's when, you know, you also stay in your feet winning the round. You need to be patient.

So that's why I'm fighting against my nature because as a defender, I'm explosive. It's like straight away, boom, impulsive, but actually to calm myself, not using too much energy, not to be too much critical, more relaxed with my hands. So that's what we are also working on. I've seen some footage of you training with Michael Van Den Page back in the day, Brendan Loughnane, Cedric Doumbé. Any of these guys gonna help you out

leading up to May 23rd? They already text me, they're already super excited. You know, I even forget that. I even forget that this was when I was doing something and going to see people. It's something I like. I don't do it today just because I want to do it, especially affordable. I do it today because that's what I feel. Like I said, I feel I live the present. And for me, this is the right things to do right now. Personally, I know some people can be worried or whatever, but this is my life.

When I retire, I finished my coach license. I could have been the director of my United. I could have been like a third manager or whatever, but I'm honest with myself. It doesn't inspire me like the way I am inspired right now to training every day for the MMA, you know? And by the way, for those wondering, that video back in 2019, so this isn't the new thing that you've been interested in. That video of you and Michael Van Den Page is from six years ago.

I did see Paul Pogba pay you a visit. Is he interested in this as well? Listen, I think many people are interested in MMA, you know, it's tough and everyone want to be tough and Paul came to training in Dubai and you know, he straight away said Uncle Pat, I saw the new, please let me come in your training session. Many people will come. But at the end, my goal also is not just about me, is to open the door of different sportsmen. Some people won't understand why he's playing football, why he's coming to the MMA.

No, I don't have to prove anything to myself, but it's to inspire people when they've been, I don't know, working all their life in this category of sport, but they can do something else, and they can be good also or bad, you know, we will see. But that's the gate I want to open. Like you see Cristiano Ronaldo, he's always attending when he's like a boxing fight in Saudi or whatever. It's true. The first

reaction of my friend was like, yeah, Patrice, the box, we will understand. But we know you are crazy, but now you just confirmed you're really mad. There was an incident when you were a member of Marseille with the fans and you showed off your kicking skills. And that's where I was like, okay, I get it. Maybe he's going to be like Mirko Krokop with the high kick. And you mentioned being crazy. You were a fiery guy, right? You know, I'll be honest, Ariel is not pretending to be tough. I always say I will never call myself a gangster or whatever, but I grew up in the street. It's all about surviving. So fighting, it's a way to gain respect.

And that's the way I grew up. I don't know if you know I'm the only French player playing for the French national team. I never do any academy. I never do all of that. It's from the street to the star. If you read my book, you know, I grew up in the street, but like I say, I will never be like, oh, I'm proud. I'm from the street. I'm a hard man. No, this was about surviving. And yes, this episode, of course, I get eight months ban. It's not something I am proud of, but you can say a black or whatever. When I was 17 and playing in Italy, I was the only black person in Sicily. I received banana.

When I was playing the monkey nose, every time I've got the ball, to be honest, this make me feel even more stronger. So that racist card doesn't treat me. The problem with that fan is when he say, you know, when we back to Marseille, I'm going to cut the throat of your wife and your kids, then I'm a human being. I know I have to be an example for the kids, but that I kick, you know, is a natural one. He went straight away. I don't blame you for having that reaction,

to be honest. And your story is very inspiring. I just wonder if it's the same type of, you feel that same type of fire now? Or are you more removed from your athletic career so you're a different type of guy? You're a mellow guy. Do you feel like that old athlete, that old fiery athlete is coming back as you're preparing for a date?

It's not that old athlete. Oh, I would say I think I'm a different person. To be honest, if you read my book, I opened myself a lot about some trauma during my childhood, what happened to myself. So I am more calm, but I still have that dark side, you know, inside me that fire. That's why every time, you know, I am with my brother when I go to play, I am with people I trust because it's not like I want to fight, but I enjoy the fight. Being beat or beating someone, I know it's not nice saying that, but I like the adrenaline. So I think since I retired, I travel a lot. You know, I'm an entrepreneur, businessman, an investor, entertain sometimes in social media. I feel like since I retired, I'm an entrepreneur, businessman, an investor, entertain sometime in social media.

I feel like since I retired, I'm looking for an adrenaline and I can't find it. And I feel now, I find it every single day showing up training. Trust me, when I'm in the shower, sometimes I'm like, wow, Patrice, this is real. This is no joke. But I'm already winning because for myself after retired from football, looking for a new adrenaline, I get it with the MMA at the moment. When you were playing, were you thinking that you would do something like this? Were you following the fight sports and interested in it?

I didn't even think I would be in social media. I was someone against, like I say, I never think about the past because you can live with regrets. I never think about the future because you can live with anxiety and stress. I'm always living the present. And I always say in my speech, you know,

of like, for example, in between my training, I was at the token 29 and someone asked me the same question. Did you prepare your aftercareer? No, I have no plan B. You know, sometime when you start at school or whatever, they always say you need a plan B. No, because if I have a plan B, I already have an excuse to fail on my plan A. So I put all my focus on my plan A. It won't work every time.

You know, sometime I remember my school teacher, what you will become. And I say, I want to be a football player in front of everyone. She say like, football player is not a job. And she was laughing and all my friend were laughing. And she saying 500 kids, they're going to pick one kids. Do you think it's going to be yourself, Mr. Evra?

I say, yes. And everyone was laughing. But at the end, it's not like I want to take a revenge against that French teacher I mean maybe a little bit but I want her to tell those things to kids. Kids have to dream big but you have to be ready to make the sacrifice and the problem with this new generation they want everything fast. I remember my first son he said I want to play football I said okay let's go for a run no no where's, okay, let's go for a run. No, no, where's the ball? No, let's go for a run. No, then you don't want to play football. You know, that's why I start from scratch at the MMA

because I need to understand the discipline. I'm new, I don't come and say, oh, I'm a big athlete. No, this is a completely different world, but it's something my brain is really attracted because I love to learn every kind of sport, any kind of business or whatsoever. Which aspect of the MMA game are you enjoying right now the most?

There's the grappling, the striking, the wrestling, kickboxing, Muay Thai, there's so many different components. You want me to give some information for my... No, no, no, I'm just curious. There's so much intrigue surrounding this. I will tell you honestly, Ariel, I'm really like comfortable in my high kick. What I'm trying, what I'm working now is more, you know,

my defense, my posture when you put a jab to make sure you come back close, not like opening too much. And of course my sparring partner is amazing on the wrestling, on the grabbing. So we push on that. And to be fair, it's there when I'm losing more energy, there when I, after the training, my arms, I'm like, wow, to be honest, in the morning is more about kick, the technique, the punch and whatsoever. Then in the afternoon is more like wrestling and grabbing. And yeah, I, I enjoy both.

Why I enjoy the game because I'm comfortable. Why I enjoy the wrestling and the grabbing because I'm suffering and it's new for me and I need to learn. When do you think you'll find out your opponent? Uh, to be honest, it's time. I think we are, you don't mind. You can call the PFL and call Kedu or my coach and say, guys.

Let's go. I'm not trying to hide anything. I think they're talking with many different people. Sometimes maybe it will happen. And for some reason it doesn't. But I'll be honest with you, I am. My opponent is Patrice. Right now I'm the one, but definitely,

I hope they will find someone, but I have no idea who I'm going to fight. This is brilliant. And I love the fact that it's happening in Paris. That's where it should happen in my opinion. I'd be remiss if I don't ask you Patrice. I don't know if you know this, but we're big football fans around these parts.

We have adopted Nottingham Forest. You see the bad. So everyone goes for Man City, United, Arsenal. We go for the underdog here. And what a season they're having. Could I ask you though, what's your take on the state of United? It has not been a great season for them.

Sorry? On the state of Man United this season. You know, I know, Ayal, you will talk about it, but no, it's been tough. Since the last Premier League we won, it was in 2013. And now you see Liverpool just win the league, so they equal 20 titles like Man United. But yeah, we have a tough time.

It's like a circle. I believe in Amorin. I like the coach. I like the way he's on ball, his discipline. And when players are lazy or whatever, if he feels they are lazy, he will get rid of them. He's building something. We're playing Bilbao, I think, tomorrow. So this is a big chance to get a trophy and also to qualify for the Champions League. But like I said, history never dies. Many people come back to the club, you know, showing that passion

because I always say I don't need Man United. I love Man United. It's different and it's working class people working there. I think that's what the fans they want people like, you know, playing for the badge, playing for the fan, playing for the history. I always say when I was wearing this shirt, I was carrying the history, you know, thinking about people like, you know, Bobby Charlton, Josh, the best or whatsoever. I was like, I can't count on that. I couldn't disappoint that. But like I said, now you got all the social media before we were athletes. So we were just focused like on playing football.

Now they are like brands, they are like rapper, they are fashion designer, politician, they got everything, too much distraction, it's become more a business. So that's why I don't blame them. Sometimes I see my old teammate going harsh on them, but we didn't have that. And they have to deal with all of that.

So it's not easy, but yeah, to come back to Man United, yes, we are having a tough time. It's more than 10 years now, but history never die. Do you think you'll ever come back in some capacity? They will, they will, they will. No, you come back for them. You come back to do something with them. I think the love I've got for United,

the love I've got for the people there, the Mancunian, I will. I think they deserve that because the passion I've got will never die. But like I say, in my life, I don't plan it. I don't plan it. I finish my coach license. I can go and start you know coaching or whatever they were like really open you know to see me back back home

but today I'm more happy than when I used to play like I will give you a silly example uh sometime I do some crazy video and I see a comment a guy say uh Patrice my dad just passed away but watching one of your video make me smile. This is more important than winning the Premier League and the Champions League. I think I'm more like, I want to give back to the community now. I receive so much, I feel so blessed and grateful.

Then giving back, that's what make me happy. My mom always tell me, more you give, more you receive. So I am in this philosophy. And of course, in one moment, I will have to give back to the fan of United what they gave me when I was tired, the last minute pushing me and come back and bringing back that discipline, that passion, that love of the game.

I love it. I love your intensity. I love your passion. It's infectious. I feel it through the screen. I think the three fight deal is, Akka Arena in May, then maybe in Dubai, and then we ended at Old Trafford.

Wouldn't that be something? You fighting at Old Trafford. Wow, yeah. Just talking about it, man. It get me excited, but yeah, like I say, step by step, let's start the Paris one. Let's see if the Dubai fight, you see you. You already make me feel like a five years old.

I love it. Well, I'll say to you bon courage. This was great. I really, really enjoyed the conversation and I wish you nothing but the best and I can't wait to see you in action on May 23rd. Good luck in training. Happy early birthday to you

and good luck in the fight of course, most importantly. Thank you, Aya. Take care of yourself. You too, enchanté. There he is, the great Patrice Evra, the superstar, former captain of Man United and the French national team, played for the likes of Juventus,

Monaco Marseille, West Ham. How great is he? Wow, what a character. And I'm sure our good friend, P.T. Carroll, is going to have many, many memories of Man United. That's his team. Many, many memories of him playing for Man United. That's his squad.

I enjoyed that very much. And imagine a couple of training sessions with Khabib. That's not bad. It's not bad to hop right into the deep waters with one of the best ever. I gotta say, I don't know what to expect, because again, we don't see a lot of superstar athletes crossing over to MMA, but like he sees-

Especially not like a boxer crossing over to MMA. Sure, like Clarissa Shields, right? For PFL, high level boxer crossing over. Somebody from a completely unrelated combat sport, yeah, that's the rarest of the rare. This is one of one type stuff. And what's interesting about it is, if you are a former soccer player,

MMA is probably, because of the kicks, because of the legs, because of the strength, I could see why boxing would be good. Conditioning cardio, definitely, right? Gotta have that. I love this. You said it, infectious. Like, I don't know how he's ultimately gonna do,

but you believe that he's giving every single ounce of himself to it, which is all you could ask. Oh yeah, he's passionate. And I feel it through the screen, as you said. What a guy. All right, well I appreciate that very much, and it was great to meet him. And honestly, kudos to the PFL for putting this together.

These are the kinds of things that will get you noticed. I mean if you look up Patrice Evra right now on Google News, the outlets that we're talking about it that have reported on it, that have posted things on it, it's every mainstream outlet under the sun and outlets that don't usually talk about these sorts of things. So pretty big deal for the PFL and they've always done big business in Paris. I mean they've done big business in a lot of spots in Europe. Paris is probably their best market right now. I mean I think it was a couple years ago where we said that a PFL Europe crowd was the crowd of the year. And so again, the juxtaposition between the product in Europe and the product here in America.

And it goes back to just put on fun fights. Don't worry about seasons, standings, tournaments, this, that, and the other. Just put on fun fights. And this is an example of that. A little something for everyone. Not everyone's going to love this sort of thing, but there's gonna be intrigue. And because a lot of people, you know,

haven't crossed over into MMA as opposed to boxing, I don't know if this is gonna be the beginning of some sort of trend in Europe. I think most quote unquote celebrities, influencers would probably think to go to boxing first because there's just a little less to worry about. This is interesting. This is very interesting. All right, in a matter of moments we're going to be joined by another fascinating human being, the great Eddie Hall, who we had on the

program just a couple of weeks ago. This was before his fight against Mariusz Pudzianowski that was at KSW 105 this past Saturday in Poland. There was a lot of intrigue because he of course is a former 2017 World Strongman winner, multiple-time Britain's Strongest Man, five-time, six-time UK Strongest Man, and of course we know about Marius's incredible career as well. So this was a real you know world's collide moment and he went out there and and did the job and did it in very quick and impressive fashion. He won in 30 seconds via TKO. Let us say hello once again to the great Eddie Hall who is kind enough to join us to recap it all. Hello, Eddie, how are you?

Hey buddy, yeah, I'm good, mate, how are you? I appreciate you joining us this time in the spaceship. The familiar spot, I've seen this before in other interviews, so very cool to have you here. By the way, what is that? Is that a light on top of you there? Is the chair going over your head? Yeah, it is.

It's like a scorpion chair. So the monitors actually hang in front of me. Wow. And then it's got a scorpion chair so the monitor is actually hanging in front of me and then it's got like scorpion feet either side, it's pretty cool. This is amazing, alright well well done and congratulations on the win, we're a couple days removed now, just kind of at the top of things, how do you feel about what transpired Saturday in Poland? Yeah, I mean obviously to get the win was, um, absolutely amazing, you know, uh, very first time stepping into the octagon.

And of course the nerves were absolutely through the roof, as you can imagine. But, um, yeah, I managed to step in and do the business. Uh, you've competed on, on many big stages. These nerves different greater than when you're competing in Strongman or in your other combat sports ventures? Um, I would say the nerves are probably a little bit more because it's a fight. You know, I think, you know, you go into competition and you sort of have that, um, control, you know, you, you sort of know the outcome. You go into Strongman, you know, you sort of know the outcome.

You go into strongman, you know, you're going to do 10 reps with that weight. You know, you're going to do 20 meters of that truck. But we're fighting, you don't know the outcome. And that, of course, triggers that fight or flight scenario a little bit more. What was your as we build up to the fight, like your vibe throughout the week, your interactions with him, just gearing up for that date for that walk. How are you feeling throughout the week, your interactions with him, just gearing up for that date for that walk. How are you feeling throughout the week?

I was actually really calm throughout the whole week. I landed in Poland on Tuesday, did press conferences and interviews and everything and just really calm throughout the week. Honestly the nerves didn't set in, I would say until about half an hour before the fight. And then, you know, you, the, the, the runners are sort of coming in at the dressing room and like, right, you've got two more fights to go and then 10 minutes ago, one more fight to go and then the nerves are ramping up, but up until then

pretty, pretty cool. I'm sure you thought of the fight you envisioned. Did you ever think that it would end that quickly? No, not in a, not in a million years. I genuinely was, I convinced myself it was gonna go the full eight minutes. So that's two four minute rounds. I was convinced it was gonna go the full four minute rounds.

Yeah. I mean, obviously there's not a lot of time to think, but I mean, I described it as you kind of throwing him with all due respect, like a rag doll. It was just unbelievable to see someone throw Marius like that. When you saw that you were able to overpower him like that, what are you thinking in that moment?

It was a bit of a weird one because, as I say, I was more than willing to stand in exchange with Marius for two four-minute rounds. But when you catch somebody and you can see it in their eyes that they're sort of losing consciousness and that's what happened. It was a one, two and I sort of missed the two and then went back in for a second two and caught him right in the cheek, right in the square, you know, in the front of the

face. And I saw his eyes roll a little bit. So I was just like right this is my time just pounce uh that could have happened after four minutes you know but uh it happened 15 seconds 10 seconds into the fight um and it was just just just crazy you know because you sort of see red yeah you just know you've got to give it a hundred percent aggression when someone gets those eyes rolls eyes rolls in the back of the head you've've got to give it a hundred percent aggression. When someone gets those eyes rolls, I eyes rolls in the back of the head, you've just got to finish them off. You've got to keep that pressure on constantly because if they get

conscious this again, then you're back to square one. No, I think I saw in the aftermath that you thought maybe you broke your hand in one of the exchanges. Is that accurate? Um, I didn't break my hand. Okay. Look, luckily, but yeah. And the medic after they were But yeah, in the medic, after they were unwrapping my hand, and it was just really throbbing as they were doing it. And then when they took it off my hand, it was absolutely bloomed.

But it's all gone down now. It must've just been some initial swelling, perhaps a very, very small fracture of some sort. But in general, the grips come back. I don't feel like I can go back in the ring tomorrow. The final exchange there has obviously been talked about. I've seen you weigh in on it. I've seen Marius weigh in and it's the shots to the back of the head. This is all very tough because we've seen it in MMA over the years. So many times it happened to Brock Lesnar. When someone is sort of scrambling, it's very hard to aim and if someone's moving while you're doing,

and so if it's not malicious, if it doesn't seem intentional, often it is something that the referee doesn't call. I did see you sort of apologize for it saying it wasn't your intention. Looking back now, how do you feel about that final sequence? You know, if I could go back in time and not hit the back of his head, I would. I would say I massively regret it, but it just happened so fast. You know, it's my first fight. You're trying to hit the front of his face. He's turning his head. He's giving the back of his head to you. It is just one of those things. And as I say, I, I, I hold my hands up. It happened. One shot is too many to the back of the head. Um, so, you know, nevermind two or three.

So I just hold my hands up, massively apologize. I think the referee, you know, was just a bit, it just happened so fast. Um, but he did, he told me off, I think when it was on the ground, I gave him one to the side of his head, one to the back of his head. And then as I landed that, that one of the back of his head, the referee was pointing, I was like, right, okay. Yep. Side of the face. So face. So it just wasn't intentional. As I say, if I could go back in time and not do it, I would. I massively apologize to Marius and the fight community for doing so, cause I don't condone hitting

to the back of the head, it is dangerous. Did you have a chance to speak to him in the back about all this? No, as I say, it was a bit of a whirlwind after all the, all the media are coming in and, but you know, I, I I say, it was a bit of a whirlwind after all the media are coming in. But, you know, I sort of, I bowed to Marius after the fight in front of him. He's one of my heroes. He's one of the strongest man five times.

He's someone I grew up watching in Strongman. And for him to come in at 48 years of age and fight me at 37 was, it was, it was a dangerous fight and I knew that and he knew that. So big props to Marius and as I say at the end I stooped and bowed and thanked him and thanked him for the opportunity and give him praise because he deserves it. There was obviously a big size difference between the two of you. I do believe you weighed in at approximately 334 pounds, that is, and he was around 267.

Were you at all surprised that he was 267, that he didn't try to be bigger to try to match your size? Yeah, I was a little bit. I thought that he would put a bit of bulk on to sort of match my weight. But having spoken to the Polish team, he basically comes in at 121 kilo or 265 every single fight. So he never really changes his weight.

And to be honest, the fact that he sort of stood his ground with the four minute rounds told me he was gonna try and outdo me with the cardio side. So that probably explains why I didn't put weight on. He was sticking to the cardio game. Did you lose approximately 40 pounds in this training camp? so I lost Around about 12 kilo in total. Okay, I think I think in pounds that close to 30 pounds Okay, and and was that a conscious decision on your part or just sort of in the flow of the training camp? I

Think because the training camp? I think because the training ramped up so much as I say I went from training I think eight weeks out from the fight I went from training two minute rounds to four minute rounds so I essentially doubled my training camp you know and I think from that day forward is when the weight just fell off me so I didn't really have a choice you know you're training that training that hard, the weight just falls off. I saw when you posted the video on your Instagram, you know, a lot of big names from the world of fighting,

giving you props, the likes of Demetrius Johnson and Arnold Allen and John Wayne Parr, Rico Verhoeven. I know you may know some of these people, but to kind of get that love from fighters who do this day in and day out, how did that make you feel? Yeah, it felt great. You know, I've had some good phone calls.

Rico video FaceTime me, had a good conversation with him. As I said, I've had lots of praise from, you know, the community themselves, Tom Aspin also. It's been pretty cool, you know, because it was a big question mark how this fight was gonna to get, be accepted in the, in the fight world, especially the MMA world. And, um, it goes to show that people, people love it.

You know, people love the, people want to see the title fights. People want to see the John Jones versus Tom Aspinal, but people also want to see the freak fights. And I think there is a big scene for it. And, uh, I think maybe me doing what I've done today is, is maybe opened a few doors and, um, I don't know where it's going to go, but I'm keeping my toe in. I'm going to keep little bits of training going and, um, just basically see where it goes.

I I'm keen to continue anyway. And whether that be one V ones or two V ones or three V ones, yeah, maybe me teaming up with someone and going two V4. I don't know, but I just want to keep this hype going. I'm enjoying it. More on that in a moment. Could I just ask like what one of my sort of goals, bucket list items is to attend a KSW event?

I love the production. I love the pageantry and everything like that. And it seemed like such a big deal. It seemed really fun from afar watching the event and the buildup last week. What was your experience like fighting for them? It was good. It was my first professional fight within a,

what's the right word, a federation. And the production value was amazing. You got the big screens, a federation. Yeah. And the production was, the production value was amazing. You know, you've got the big screens, you've got the crowd, you've got all the, all the behind the scenes production and leading up to the event. I thought it was absolutely phenomenal. The tough thing for me was obviously I was the, you know, being an Englishman. And it was just tough to get stuff sorted for me, you know, like, like before the fight, I was, I was trying to get my hands wrapped and they came to me like, I don't know, half an hour before

my fight, oh, sorry, we forgot about you. And I was just, you know, that stuff like that, it's just like, it just, it, it pulls you down a bit, you know? And maybe that was just the, the, the, the language barrier that made that happen. But it was just a flat that made me a bit, you know, and maybe that was just the language barrier that made that happen. But it was just a flat that made me a bit like, ah, this is pissing me off. This is, you know, maybe I should have done this somewhere else. But KSW in general, amazing Federation and the fights they put on the production just phenomenal. Uh, one fight deal with them?

Um, no, there was a two fight deal. So the second fight is meant to be a rematch with Marius Ponoski, potentially in November. But we've got to be realistic about it. I think that fight was a big eye opener for a lot of people and probably Marius as well. So maybe a bit off a bit more than he could chew And and I don't know if that rematch is gonna happen. Would it be fair to say you're not very interested in it? I Would be interested in it it would have to be the two-minute rounds I wouldn't agree to the four-minute rounds stuff again because it just made my camp

So unbearable. Like the training for four minute rounds, it just became so miserable for me. So yeah, if it was to happen again, it would have to be the two minute rounds. And I'd happily fight Marius again and make it even more of an explosion. You're the A-side now, you call the shots.

Oh yeah, exactly. I think the reigning champ and that was something I sort of stipulated before this event. I said, when draw or lose, that rematch has got to be two minute rounds because he got his way and now I want to get my way for the second fight.

By the way, the size of the gloves, we talked about it beforehand. What did you end up going with? Yeah, so I ended up, I tried the double XL before the fight. They were way too small They made me the 4 XL and they were just so they fit my hand perfectly But the padding was almost double what the double XL was it was like I was wearing a boxing glove So I just manned up and put the double XL on Wow tight as hell But as you can see,

the padding is the same as Marius. But honestly, this four XL glove, they made me, I might've been wearing a 12 ounce boxing glove. It was ridiculous. Okay. And by the way, what happened at the very beginning? It seemed like you were drinking water and it was like unclear,

or maybe you were unclear as to when the fight was starting. What happened there? Yeah, well, you know, they got us both in the cage and I thought, right, the ref's gonna bring us to the center any second now. I'll get a quick sip of water before that because I just had a bit of a dry mouth. And I didn't know, apparently when you're both in the cage,

you must be ready to fight. So I literally turned around from having me sip of water and it was a bit surreal. So I turned around and the referee went fight. And I was like, what? Seriously? Okay. And just touch gloves and off we went. It was a bit, it was very surreal for me because I thought they would have us in the center of the ring. They would go over a few of the rules. You know, the touch your balls with the back of the hand and touch gloves and, and, and, and off you go. Just get me camera

to focus. Yeah. Yeah. that was funky. What just happened Oh does this sometimes is it coming back? Come on? Come on Sorry guys. No, there it is. There she is Yeah, but I mean it didn't seem to bother you all that much because you you disposed of him some 30 seconds later Your name has come up a lot in the aftermath. What's going on with this Dylan Dannis thing? Is this a real thing? Well, Ms. Fitz mentioned this fight back in March.

They said it was in talks. They said it was gonna happen, but the weight difference couldn't make it. I never got a part of that conversation, you know? So they put this thing out on Instagram saying it nearly happened. Well, if it nearly happened, it was news to me because I was never a part of any conversations

to fight Dylan Danis. And then I saw that and I was like, right, okay, you know, let's go for it. And then the Marius fight, there's been a lot of talk of it. And I would love to take that fight. I think, and I think that's exactly what this freak fighting is. It's like someone with zero experience coming in and fighting a world champion and Dylan Danes may not be a good striker, but he is one of, if not the

best in the world at Jiu Jitsu. And you you put a world champion jujitsu against a 150 kilo ex-world strongest man what happens and i think that is entertainment i think that is something people want to see so misfits ksw whoever make that fight happen i want to i want to i want to rip dylan danis his arms and legs off his torso. Oh dear. Okay. What about Ben Rothwell? I saw him, uh, mentioned that he wanted to fight you. Are you interested in that? He's the BKFC heavyweight champion. Oh, okay. No, man. I mean, that is a hard bastard, isn't it? Do you want to get in the ring with the bare knuckle heavyweight champion of the world. Fuck, you know, that is,

that is a dangerous fight. And somebody messaged me about him and I sort of looked him up and I was, I was, as I was watching his fights, I was like, Oh my God, this man's fucking brutal. So that is not particularly a fight I want to take, but I guess if the money is right, anything can happen. So everyone's kind of coming out of the woodworks here. Is there, if like, if you could, if you could script your next fight, like, okay, who it is, who's it against, where, under which umbrella, what is the ideal scenario for you and when?

I mean, ideal scenario would be the Marius rematch. Okay. Seconded in that, I would say that Dylan Danis would be a great fight. Again, just because it'd just be fun to get in there with a world champion who has publicly said he would beat me. So let's find out if you think you can beat me, I think I can beat you.

Let's find out. And I think that beat me. I think I can beat you. Let's, let's find out. And I think that would could lead on to a lot of interesting things. Something that does excite me is the, the two V one fights. I do. I look like when I did that two V one fight back in June, July last year, I was in my element. Like I absolutely love that. And it's that unknown. Like people, it's all right to say in hindsight after it's happened. But taking that to be one fight was dangerous. Like you've got two arms, two legs, you've got two sets of lungs and hearts. It's it's there might not be the same weight, but it's double the double the trouble and that was that was a that was a dangerous fight for me to take. And I don't think there's a lot of men on the planet

that would take that fight. So I think the TV one has got good legs. I think people wanna see it. I think people wanna see two good fighters go up against a 150, 160 kilo will strongest man and see what happens. Martin Levendofsky, the founder of KSW has talked about you versus Francis and Ghanu does this interest you? fucking hell

I mean again a bit like that Ben Rothwell, yeah It's it you're basically chucking me in with the wolves do yeah. Yeah I Would need a bit of time. I would need a bit of time. I would need a lot of training and it would have to be a lot of money. But I think with anything in life, if the money is right, I would take it. And, uh, the only way I'd fight Francis and Gano would be a hell of a training camp, I'd probably want a good six to nine months of training with top

level athletes, uh, in top camps. And yeah, the money would have to be good because you're literally putting your life on the line. Um, and I think the fun thing about that, look, Francis and Gano out classes me in every single way possible in the fight world. But it's that unknown. It's that if I catch him, if I throw that right hand and it just gets him on the end of the chin, it can happen.

It's that unknown. So, you know, I wouldn't be going in thinking I've got zero chance, but it'd have to be a big money incentive for me to do that and put my, literally put my life on the line going in the ring with someone like Gunganu. By the way, just a couple more, any interest in pro wrestling?

I feel like you would be an incredible asset to the world of pro wrestling. I've done a little bit of amateur wrestling, and at some point there was some very small conversations with the WWE, you know, after I won the Will Strongest Man, but it just didn't quite fit, you know, the money won the Will Strongest Man, but it just didn't quite fit. You know, the money versus the workload just wasn't quite there. But again, you know, maybe

me going in and doing sort of a bit like Tyson Fury and Mike Tyson and people have done, Floyd Mayweather, just go in and do appearances. I'd love to do that, but I think I'd be quite good as a wrestler. Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'd be capable of doing the back flips off the ropes or anything, but I've done a little bit of amateur wrestling

and it's doable for me and it's fun. I think you'd be perfect. I also think you'd be beloved in Japan. You in Japan would be a huge deal. Any interest from them? I feel like you and Ryzen for that promotion there, not trying to take you away from KSW, maybe they could work together.

They adore characters like you over there. Yeah, I mean, look, I've had no conversations yet, but that would be the most sensible thing for me to do is to go to these federations and lap up. You go and entertain billions of people out in Japan and China and wherever else, and you make money and you make big money and that's a win-win. Realistically, when do you think we see you fight again? Well, I'm dubbed to do an arm wrestle in August.

So I'm arm wrestling this, um, another strongman in August, um, which I enjoy. I really enjoy the arm wrestling and it's, it's quite easy to train for. So you know, it takes sort of 20, 30 minutes a day to train for, and I can still do my gym work and do my fight training. So I guess, you know, if we did a camp from August, we're talking September, October, November, maybe November, end of November, December, something like that, so we'll just have to wait and see.

By the way, how do you train for arm wrestling? What does that 20, 30 minute training session look like? It's very boring. It's literally, you get cables, you get these weird and wonderful handles, and it's just tiny little movements. It's just little bit, you do like a hundred reps of this, you do a hundred reps of that,

you do a hundred reps of this. It's just weird and wonderful stuff. It hurts like hell, but you just gotta make your arm sort of bulletproof. Oh my gosh. That camera's gone again. There it is, yeah. Okay, here's the big one, here's the big one.

I don't know if you know this, but over the last few days on social media, there's been a big debate. Could a hundred men beat up, essentially kill one gorilla? Ooh, that's a great question. That's a great question. But how big is a gorilla? Let me just Google that.

How big is a fully grown gorilla? Let me just Google that. How big is a fully grown gorilla? Let me just make sense of that. Okay. Okay. Because I've seen gorillas in person in like close up scenarios and they are scary, like scary things. Weight of an adult silverback? Sure. Biggest one? Weight of an adult silverback. Okay. So an adult silverback. Sure. Bigger. Yeah. One weight of an adult silverback. Okay. So an adult silverback weighs between 300 and 500 pounds. So a hundred men. I would say like forget me now me as a prime strongman, like I was 430 pounds I genuinely think two I've not won I think one would get more to death but I think two Eddie Hulls at the prime with a combined weight of 860 pounds would dominate a gorilla you would just just

pin it down and just hammer fist it to death I think two big ideals would do the job okay so that was actually go to be my next question after that the one I was more interested in how many Eddie Hulls would do the job. Okay, so that was actually going to be my next question. After that, the one I was more interested in, how many Eddie Halls would beat up the gorilla? I thought you were going to say maybe like five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. You're saying just two. Two Eddie Halls?

At my biggest. At my biggest. I'm 150 kilo now. At my biggest, there was nearly 200 kilo. So I think at my biggest, I think two Eddie Halls would dominate a silverback gorilla. Wow. Maybe that's the two on one that we're talking about.

Some sort of, could you imagine that? Yeah, that'd be crazy. Didn't Mike Tyson once try to pay to get in the ring with it? Was it a gorilla? It was, wasn't it? Was it a tiger or something? I don't know. No, I'm sure it was a gorilla.

Was it a gorilla? I think it was. They were already getting the zoo in the cage with this gorilla to fight a gorilla and they wouldn't let him. A hundred of me against the gorilla who wins Well, I don't know what I sold no insult insult a hundred probably the agree probably the gorilla Yeah, I think he would just be one arm. It'd be throwing one person that way one the other one over his head Yeah, I mean, how heavy are you?

I'm 200 pounds. Oh, okay. So you're about 80 kilos, something like that. Yeah, what'd you think I was? I don't know, you look quite, yeah. What? A little bit. We need a workout session.

You could teach me a thing or two, some goose eggs or duck eggs, which is it? Duck eggs. Duck eggs is the one, yeah. I need a few of those. Well, no offense taken. Don't worry about it, Eddie. We're Duck eggs. Duck eggs is the one. I need a few of those. Well, no offence taken. Don't worry about it, Eddie. We're all good.

Appreciate it very much. Congratulations on the win. Very, very fun. It was a fun build and looking forward to what's next for you. Thank you. Thank you, mate. Appreciate you, man. All right.

There he is. The Beast, Eddie Hall. Great stuff. And there you have it. Didn't think he would say just two of him back in the day would beat up the gorilla, but I like the confidence. I like the confidence. All right, let's see where he goes from here. I would venture to say a hundred of me

probably could do the job. Two of him back in the day does the job. I would say just one, just one of our next guests does the job. Our next guest, yeah, he is alpha. He is the alpha-ist of all the men out there. The alpha male? You get what I'm saying.

He's the man. He's Quinton Rampage Jackson. I say one Quinton, prime or not, against the big silverback gorilla does the job. Let's see if he in fact agrees with me. Is he there? Yeah. What's up Quinton, how are you? I was doing good till you just called me

a silverback gorilla. No, I did not, I said one of you, you know it's a big debate these days. 100 men, 100 of me, regular guy, you know, nothing crazy, against a gorilla who wins. I'm paying you the utmost respect and compliment. I'm saying one of you beats the gorilla. That's... No, no, listen, I chime in and it sounds like

you calling me one silverback gorilla, man. I thought we were boys. I love you. I love you like a brother. No, man, that's not cool. You cool. I always show up for your interviews and shit and I didn't sign up to be called a one silverback gorilla, bro. Never.

How you doing? I would never do that. You were getting, I think, can I break the fourth wall? How you do that? That's just like talking about things that maybe you're not supposed to talk about. Just sort of like a figure speech.

I like to text people a lot of reminders. I think the last reminder today, like I was annoying you. You were like, all right, of like a figure speech. I think I like to text people a lot of reminders. I think the last reminder today, like I was annoying you. You were like, all right, man, I got it. I got it. 12 o'clock. Yeah, I'll be there. Oh, no, no, no. You wasn't, you wasn't annoying me.

I just be doing a whole bunch of things at once a day. You know, I, I'm wearing a lot of different caps now, bro. I'm wearing a lot of different caps. And I was, I was trying to get a beach. I mean, I was trying to do something important while you was, and I was texting you really. Okay, okay, all right. Well, the last thing I wanna do

is ever bother you or offend you. Speaking of caps, you're rocking the UFL cap. And you know, if I can also break the fourth wall with this, I remember a couple of months ago getting a phone call from you. You were doing an interview with a man named Harrison Rogers. He's gonna be joining us in a bit as well.

And you were like, yo man, you're talking about this GFL. You're talking about this PFL. Like you need to show the UFL some love. Well, the UFL has a big show this weekend. You're going to be a part of it. Can you tell us what you'll be doing for them? I believe it's on May 2nd in Phoenix. Yeah, yeah.

May 2nd, Friday. My team, Team OC, is going to be going head to head with Team Scottsdale, which is Henry Zahudo's team. And we're going to kick their ass, hands down, and beat the crap out there, little munchkin. So there you have it. There are the teams. When you say teams, what does that mean? It's like, it's these five fights, and then there's points attached to the fights, right?

Correct, in the first round, if you finish the guy in the first round, you get four points. Second round, you get three points. If the guy finished the guy in the third round, he gets two points, and if your guy win by decision, he gets one point. That's where the IFL screwed up with the point system.

So this makes it an exciting event. It's almost like a dual meet when you wrestle. And the last time the IFL had a show, it was Henry Cejudo versus Frank Mirrored's team. And it was the most exciting night of MMA fights I ever seen. Just the point system made it so exciting. I was on the edge of my seat

because Henry Cejudo'sulu was winning the whole event. And then Frank Mir came back with a couple of first round finishes and took the lead, took the whole win. It was crazy, bro. You should have been there. And are you cornering? He was so mad, bro.

He was so mad because he just, he was acting out cocky. He thought he had it in the bag because he was like winning like two or three fights in a row. And are you cornering all these fights? Yeah, I'll be there. I'll be there supporting my guys. I got a couple of guys on the team that I scouted

and I'll be there. I'm really invested in these guys. I really want my team to win because nobody likes losing. Yeah, I'm gonna be there. I'll be helping them out. They got their own coaches and stuff like that, but I'll be there, I'll be behind them,

hanging out with them, dip talking to them, and I'm gonna let them know, if you guys lose, I'm gonna beat the fuck out of you myself. And recently it was announced, I think, that you're a franchise owner, right? Like, you own the Orange County team. What does that actually mean? Yeah, yeah, man.

Harrison Rodgers, he's a fucking genius. He's kind of turning this league kind of like the NBA or MMA. I'm a franchise owner. I'm part owner of my team though, the OC team. Rashad owns a team, Frank Mir, Cejudo. Is there a deal on the table that if you beat Sohudo, he has to dress as Eddie Munster?

Yeah, I'm right. He gotta dress as Eddie Munster if I beat him. Has he agreed to this? Yeah, he agreed to it, because he thinks that he's gonna win, so he's very cocky. So he knows if he don't dress up like Eddie Munster, it's gonna be me and him in the octagon.

And so what happens if he beats you? What do you have to do? Why you had to bring that up? I just mean like usually a bet. What? We not talk, we not talk. He said, he said I got to dress up like Gary Coleman. I don't look nothing like Gary Coleman.

Let's hear it, let's hear it. Let's hear the what you talking about Willis. Let's hear it, let's hear it. What you want to, if you want to fucks with me and stuff, so it's just like. Okay, fuck off. We breaking the fuck up. I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff,

but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want to fuck with me and stuff, but I don't know if you want much. You got this big podcast you don't invite me on. So I don't know if you wanna fucks with me and stuff.

So it's just like. Okay, fuck off. We breaking the fourth wall. I invited you on the podcast and you like how much you wanna pay me. And I ain't never charged you for an interview. I never said that. That's fucking crazy, man.

That is crazy. Why you gonna lie on live TV, bro? Why you gonna lie? You even said graciously, you said, well, fly you out this day. I said, I don't need anything. I'm just not in the vicinity, but I might be I might be in a couple months actually where you guys do that You guys do that in Orange County, right? Hey, are you too good for a airplane you too good to sit on airplane come out and see no

No, actually, I would love to see you. I really would and what you've done is is so impressive I really think that what you guys have built is really impressive Honestly, it seems like you really built something fun And I'm wondering if you actually thought that it was going to turn into this like did you did you believe no? No, I had no idea. Um, you know, I figured that there was so many podcasts Like why they need another podcast? Like everybody got a podcast. But you know how I am, I like to have fun. So we just decided to have fun. And I like meeting the new fighters

because I got away from MMA for years and now I'm meeting the new fighters and stuff like that. And it's been growing in a long way. We make a few mistakes here and there, but nobody's perfect, but we love everybody. And everybody's talking about Ian McGarry. I love everybody's talking about Ian McGarry. And then we love all the fighters and everything,

and we just like bringing people on and having good, fun, positive conversations. Can we fix the Ian-Garry thing? I mean, I enjoy my chances. No, you fucked that up. You fucked that up. How did I fuck it up? What did I do?

Cause you knew I was joking. You knew I was joking on your show. Yeah. You knew I was joking. You knew I was joking. Yeah, sure. What did I do? And you didn't cut me off from saying the wrong thing

cause I started saying stuff too personal about him. And I admit I was wrong when I got too much into his business. But honestly admit I was wrong when I got too much into his business, but honestly, I was only asking questions because I didn't know who he was until, what's that dude name? Fucking, that dude that got his ass kicked by DDP. What's his name? Strickland, Strickland was talking about him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bryce one, the Bryce one got a lot of attention, made a lot of headlines. Do you wish you could do that again? Well, I'm gonna be honest and I'm gonna just lay everything on the table. I don't make any decisions over there. I'm not the type of guy that you want running

something professional like a podcast or something like that. I just come and sit down. My co-host, Bear, he put everything together. The kid works hard. He's a genius. And Bear, honestly, didn't have any bad intentions, he was just nervous about the whole thing because that podcast was booked months in advance

and Bryce had hit headlines saying what he said and Bear was thinking about canceling him but things were already set up and everything so he was, so, and so very, he just didn't handle it correctly. And he felt bad about it later. But the way I wanted to handle it was this full company. I don't care what people say.

I'm okay with free speech, but people should really be careful what they say and try not to hurt people's feelings and offend people and stuff like that. But look at me, I can't want to be rude to people, I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people.

I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't want to be rude to people. I don't. Because I guess he didn't like one of my jokes that I said about him, MVP over Instagram. So I understood that the kid was cutting weight probably.

It was a couple of days before his fight. And honestly, at that time, Kevin Hart, he could have spit in my face and I wouldn't have done nothing because of his fight. I respect what goes into being a fighter and stuff like that. And I would never want to jeopardize another fighter from earning a living or not making it to the fight. Plus, Armand was there at the studio. He had heard his back the same week. And I didn't want Uncle Dane to get mad.

Like, damn, fighters going over to Jackson podcast and pulling out fights and shit. So I let him have it. But I became petty. and that's why I made that 45 70 song, because I was sitting there the whole time thinking like, what can I do to this kid to pay him back for telling me to shut the fuck up on my podcast and all this shit.

I knew I wasn't gonna beat him up. You can't solve everything with violence 100% of the time. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna be petty. I'm gonna get this kid back. So I dropped this song on his ass. Was it as good as Kendrick's? I actually missed that song.

I didn't hear it. No, it's not as good as Kendrick's, but it's fun. And it's a fun song, but I'm not a rapper. I just like pretending. Just play one on TV. Did you record it into like your phone or something? Or like into a real- No, man, bro, I went to the studio.

Bro, I went to the studio. That song cost me thousands of dollars to make and the music video and everything. What, it's a music video? It's a music video, it's on YouTube. Type in Rampage Jackson 4570. And what does 4570 mean? Ask Kevin Holland next time you talk to that mother

because I still haven't figured it out. Oh, wow. And is the whole song about Kevin Holland? Basically, the song is basically telling Kevin Holland, like, just telling him like what I've done in this sport and who I am and teaching them basically, be careful who you talk to because you ain't on my level son. Basically, that's what the song basically is about.

Oh, did he respond? He was mad, he was pissed. He was pissed? Yeah, we was cool until I made that song. We had hashed things up, then I made a song, dropped the music video, then he was like, fuck you, I don't fuck with you no more. What, he DM'd you or something?

Oh yeah, we talked, we talked, and he was like, after that, he was like, no, fuck you. Because honestly, I think Kevin Holland could be champion. I think he could be like a really good fighter in his weight class, but it seems like he's not focused on that. He's like focused on smoking weed and, you know, going out and playing with his 45-70 and stuff like that,

being a black cowboy. So I think that's what he's focused on. But I really think he's talented. I really think he can go further in this sport. Just a couple of weeks ago, you were supposed to fight Rashad in a boxing match. What the hell happened? Bro, more shady promoters, man.

I heard boxing is real shady, bro. So honestly, I'm just not getting over my depression about that, I ain't gonna lie. I was a little depressed about that because I wanted to get my first boxing match in before I got too old. You know, I'm 46 now and you know, for all the times undefeated and it was been,

you know, it's been a great matchup for me to fight Rashad because I always wanted to get that win back. So bro, I was depressed. I trained really hard and you know, I did the whole thing. Got my boxing kit and you know what I the whole thing, got my boxing kit. And you know what I'm saying? You got my boxing shoes made. Now people making fun of my boxing shoes

because they don't understand Christian Louis Vuitton, one of my favorite brands. And so I did everything right. And I was going to knock Rashad out. But I was so depressed. But then this UFL event came back up and I'd been waiting for this was so long So honestly, thanks to this is real talk. Thanks to the ufl, you know, I'm out here in Arizona

I'm not not depressed no more. I got something else to put my energy in, you know I really scouted some of these fighters like Patrick or current cornet I really wanted I really wanted this kid on my team and this I heard hanging out with these guys and I see what's coming For the ufl it really lifted my spirit. And this, I heard hanging out with these guys and I see what's coming for the UFL. It really lifted my spirit. So I was bummed by me not fighting, but me putting energy in these other fighters. It lifted my spirits, bro,

that it was sad and I've been able to fight. I'm sorry to hear that. And it seemed like this time around, it was actually gonna happen. Like I saw the press conference and everything like that. What exactly happened? Did they just not come to the table with money? Like how did it get so far and then fall apart

at the 11th hour? All right, so this is exactly what happened. And I guess in boxing, to solidify the fight or whatever, you're supposed to give a deposit. They're supposed to give us 10% of the purse. And so they gave us 5% of the purse as a deposit. And then they was gonna give us the other five, like a couple months down the line.

So the time for the other 5% came and went. And my manager was like, whoa, they already messed up by only giving us 5%. And then when it's time to give us the other 5%, they keep one day in us, tomorrow, tomorrow in us. So my manager was like, hey, just put the purse in the escrow, give us the other 5% and then we saw it.

And then they never did that either. The escrow time came, passed and went, and my manager was like, man, these guys probably don't got the money. They probably gonna try to stiff you guys if you guys fight, right? And he was like, thank God they didn't give us the whole 10% because we wouldn't have known.

We would have got there and fought and everything and probably after the fight, they would just would have been like, just shaded and not paid us anything. So when that deadline passed for the escrow, Rashad and I, we made the executive decision to pull out. Y'all know me, my pullout game ain't strong at all. I ain't wanna pull out, but I did.

And so where do you go now with the fight? Like, are you still gonna shop this somewhere else? Are you gonna try to do it under a different? Like I said, man, now I'm focused on UFL. Okay. Now I'm doing other stuff, you know, you know, I was, I was really depressed about it because I don't want to be like Mike Tyson,

67 years old fighting Jake Powell. Cause that's the only time Jake Powell would fight somebody like me and stuff like that. So I was trying to get it in while I'm young, man. I don't want to be 70 years old out there boxing, but I really want one boxing match because I ain't never boxed, man because I ain't never boxed, man. I ain't never boxed, man.

I wanna make this happen. How can I make this happen? I wanna give back. I wanna give back to the less fortunate. I wanna do this for, I was like, how can I help? You working out there with those big boys in boxing, tell them, like, look here, get Rampage Jackson and Rashad, get them.

It'll sell tickets. Does it have to be against Rashad? Well, I would love to fight, I would love to fight Rashad, I would love to fight, I box in about it, but I would love for it to be Rashad. No Shannon Briggs? Shannon Briggs, Rashad. All right, we need to make this happen.

Are you saying that there's a chance, because of how all this went, and I know you had another fight last year that you're kind of maybe done, like the dream of being an active competitor might end like this? No, because no matter what, if nobody pick up my boxing match,

what I do is that I just pay an opponent out of my own pocket, and I just do it like at a gym somewhere in a box arena. So I'm just getting me one. But it's not gonna be the same energy, but it'd be real for me. The person would try to knock my head off. But I get my jollies from entertaining the crowd and fighting in front of the crowd. So now that I'm streaming live on kick, maybe I'll just stream it. I'll stream it on my channel on Kick, maybe.

It's just thoughts that I'm saying, but I'm going to get a boxing match before I get too old. I'm going to do it. I saw you at the club on Kick, and someone pushed your cameraman? Yeah, don't fuck with my cameraman. I don't play that shit. Don't fuck with my friend.

Why you got the footage? Well, I mean, I don't know why this is. Why you showing the fucking footage? Should we not? I mean, I just wanted it for context. Take it away, guys, take it away. He doesn't want the footage. I'm sorry, I thought we were,

you were in the right. You backed your guy. That's right. Should we not show the footage? That's right. It's good production. Man, you got good production over there. I didn't know you had the fucking footage.

We say things, they pop up. That's crazy, it's technology. Let's look at it again. Can we look at it? Go ahead. Here it is, here it is. Here you are at the club. What's happening?

You say, you push this guy, you got really mad. Can we hear some of it? Maybe we'll start from the beginning. Go ahead, go ahead. Let's go, let's go from the beginning. Oh. Okay, here you are talking to some young ladies, putting some makeup on.

Chaps to, oh. Hey, come here. Did you just push him? Did you, why, why? He didn't, hey, he got the fucking camera, he didn't push you. All right. Get the fuck out of here if I fuck you up, bitch.

I watch everything, you a fucking bitch Hey, hey, don't you ever touch my fucking camera man? Guess what? Guess what? He pushed this guy for no reason I saw everything It's on fucking camera. It's on fucking camera. It's on fucking camera. It's on fucking camera What about Caitlin Clark over there getting in your face? I mean, that's crazy. I don't know what her problem was,

but I felt like I was in the right. If I feel like I'm in the right, you know what I'm saying, I go to war for somebody. I don't like people fucking with my friends, my family, my kids. You know, somebody can push me. I'd be like, oh, okay, whatever, get the fuck out of it. I don't like bullies.

I don't like bullies. Despite what people think about me, like I don't consider people making fun of somebody else's bully. I consider people doing bodily harm, physically touching someone. I figure that they're bullies and I don't like people like that.

I don't go around doing that. I joke around and stuff. But bro, that was bad. The whole story behind it was two girls was flirting with my cameraman, because I guess girls really like his ugly ass. They'd be all over him. And two girls, they were drunk

and they were trying to get his attention. And he's very professional. I got the best cameraman in the streaming world. He's the best cameraman in the streaming world. And he's very professional. And he was like, oh, get away from me. I got a girlfriend. Get away from me, get away from me.

And I heard him and the show must go on because my stream, I just like to entertain people. And I was there doing my thing. And then I saw this one dude, I guess he was with those girls. He came by and he just football hit my cameraman. He joked really, really badly. My cameraman, he's not a big dude. And I saw it and I wanted him to get the fuck out of there. And I go to that place sometime and security know me. I don't cause problems, bro. I don't cause problems in the world, so. I don't play with that shit, bro. And so what is that?

Is that like a stream that's just continuous? They're following you around? Yeah, it's like, basically it's like a live reality show. Wow, how long? How long does it go? We can have fun, man. How long does it go for, like hours? Yeah, it depends.

I can do a two hour stream, I can do a 10 hour stream. I can do however long, whatever I got going on. Lately, I've been trying to stream almost every night. I take breaks here and there, but it's fun, bro. That's been helping me with my depression as well, bro.

I'm telling you, bro, I was really depressed about this fight. I was really bummed about this fight. And that's been helping me out. This UFL card been helping me out. I'm just looking to do stuff, positive and fun stuff and streaming. It's really fun.

It's real positive. It can give me a trouble though, cause you know my personality. One day I might say some fucked up shit and people clipping. I already made one verbal typo when I was talking with my dad, because I didn't know what a mukbang was. They clipped that shit.

Some of my shit be getting clipped and people be making fun of me. So, you know, it was a mukbang. What is that? Mukbang? Yeah. I tell you, it's not a gangbang. I tell you that, that's what I learned.

Okay. Have you ever been involved in a gangbang? No, no, it's not a gangbang, I tell you that. That's what I learned. Okay. Are you ever been involved in a gangbang? No, no, I have not. I have not had the, I guess I was gonna say, no, I haven't. What? Wait, then I'm sounding too convincing. Why you stumbling over the words?

I was gonna say, I've not had the pleasure, but then I was gonna say, well, maybe that's not the, you know. I don't know. You know what I'm saying? I'm too convincing. How about you? Have you ever? No, hell no. Okay. Hell no.

No, I don't get that. How are things on that front? Everything's good, man. You know, I'm still out here single. I'm not getting married ever again. I finally passed that chapter in my life. I had the longest lasting divorce in probably divorce history. I was divorcing for like 18 years, finally free and clear. I made that mistake and never doing that again. So I'm just happy. I'm just living my life, buddy. You've already ruined one of the best relationships I've ever had. And so I'm never getting like real serious with a woman again.

I'm keeping, you know what I'm saying, the field open so I can come and go as I please. I didn't even know you were married and got divorced, to be honest. Bro, I married a Japanese woman from Japan. You didn't know I got some little Japanese niggas. I got two little Japanese niggas from. I know you have kids.

I didn't know you were married and then divorced. I didn't know that you actually, you know, signed, sealed up. Yeah,'t know that you actually, you know, signed sealed up. Yeah, I got separated before I met you. My divorce actually started like four weeks before I fought Chuck Liddell in the UFC. Wow, UFC 71. Yeah, I was going through a divorce

during that training camp. Wow, and did that mess with you? during that training camp. Wow, and did that mess with you? Bro, my mind was so switched on back then, but it was hard. I had to go up to Big Bear and drive back down and go to court and stuff like that and everything. It was taxing, but I had my mind focused.

I was real focused back then. And the performance spoke to that. I mean, it was one of your all-time best. No, I think my fight with Ben O'Leary in the UFC was my all-time best. So if there's a young fan out there who's never seen you in your prime, you say, all right, let me watch one classic,

the number one Rampage fight moment, you say you start with that one? What, if they wanna see what type of fighter I am? Like, yeah, like quintessential Quinton. It's not bad, by the way. Quintessential Quinton. The best. If they want to learn what type of heart I got

and what type of fighter I am, they should watch the Murillo, Bustamante fighting pride. Oh, yeah. The young folks, they don't know me. They fight right there. Murillo, Bustamante fighting pride. Oh yeah. The young folks that don't know me, they fight right there, Murillo Bustamante almost choked me out. And I was really thinking about tapping out. He had me in, what was it, guillotine.

And right then I heard my coach, Colin Oyama, telling me, don't give up, don't give up. And that's all I could hear, because you know, it's real quiet in Japan. And I invented a move right then and there on the fly to get out of guillotines. And since that day, I've never even been guillotined again, even in training.

What was the move? Well, I don't want to put my shit out there. Well, I mean, what's the difference now? My son is still fighting, he don't want me to get away on my little secrets, but I invented something to keep people from doing a guillotine. But now Jiu-Jitsu has evolved.

I don't think a lot of people doing guillotine that way anymore. I'm sure they still are, but they got different ways to do the guillotine. So I haven't I don't know if they work on all the variations, but for that guillotine, no one can ever guillotine me with that move. I had to have been a move right then and there. But that shows you what type of fighter I am because I had to fight Murillo Busamonte on four days notice

because I thought I was fighting Ricardo Arona and Ricardo Arona pulled out and no one told me so he can get his teammate in there. And that's the reason why I power bombed Ricardo Arona because he lied and said he was injured. Wow. Right? And then I was walking to the gas station or the 7-Eleven or whatever, and I saw him walking out of the gas station like nothing was wrong.

And then he saw me start limping. And then when I finally followed him, he lied to the referee and told the referee that he knocked me out with his heel kicks. I was like, this is the last straw. So I tried slamming through the ring and that's a hold back so her wife caught her running, got that power blow. God, I love that. Maybe the most vicious finish in the history

of MMA that time right there. Oh yeah, oh yeah. That's the only time I ever lost my temper in a fight. Wow, really? Yeah, that's the only time ever. And in the moment, that must have felt incredible, right? When you slammed him like almost through the damn ring. Yeah, yeah, it was crazy,

because I was losing that fight. I was losing that fight. Ricardo Arona was one of the toughest opponents I ever had, and I was losing that fight, and that was on my birthday, and I didn't want to lose on my birthday. I'll never forget that. By the way, speaking of the Pride Days, did you see the trailer for the Rocks film

on Mark Kerr, the smashing machine? Yeah, man. That's sick, it looks dope. Yeah, what is that, like when you see that, you lived through that period. Where does that take you? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that was, that was. It was a little bit before my time.

I mean, but it's, you know. I'm not that fucking old, I'm not that fucking old. It's like, it's just like. That was before my time. It's literally like two, three years before you got there. No, bro, I was in fucking high school. What are you talking? I'm 46, man.

I'm not 50. Get the fuck out, Eric. That was before my fucking time. I mean, within eight to- Listen, bro, that's very disrespectful of you. Okay, my bad, my bad. I would never do that. But still, I mean, by the way,

I was surprised that they didn't put you in there. I mean, they had Ryan Bader, they had- It was before my time. No, but you could be playing someone else. You could be playing someone- I got nothing to do with that shit. That was before my time. You play someone else.

Who am I playing? There weren't no black folks in MMA back then. Who was black in the MMA back then? Tell me. Randleman. Oh yeah, you right. Imagine you playing Randleman with the hair and all that. Oh, you got me fucked up.

No way I can play. I look like Cisco that's the dude singing the thong song and shit. My hair blown. You got me fucked up. I would love that. I think you would look great with that. Yeah, you would love that, wouldn't you?

Yeah. How's your wife, Frank, doing, by the way? She's done. Man, that video is crazy, wouldn't you? Yeah. How's your wife, Frank, doing, by the way? She's done, she's done. Man, that video is crazy. It's crazy, man. It's literally, I swear, like twice a week, it gets sent to me. Someone's even like famous came up to me,

he's like, I love your interviews with Rampage. I'm like, let me guess, you're talking about the one in the back in 20 freaking 10, where he says my wife, Frank, isn't that amazing? Yeah, man, yeah. And you know what's crazy? I work with Frank now. It's like my right hand man. Who, me?

Who, Frank? Frank who? He works on my show, Frank. We met. Frank who, your wife? No, after all these years, we actually came together. You and Frank came together. How did that happen?

Stop. Thank you for telling us, yeah. Thank you for telling us, yeah. How did that happen? Thank you for telling us yeah, right what can you say Frank say hello to rampage? Can you say hello to rampage? No, man, I think this one's on you. Oh, okay. There he is. That's Frank. I'm Frank Frank's kind of shot Listen, I'm good. It's 2025. I'm glad you can live your truth Ariel Ariel. You grandfathered in, I still respect you and still. I really appreciate the acceptance, yes, thank you. Yeah, you too, Frank. By the way, can I just ask you,

when you saw Anthony Smith this weekend, what did you think? So, how's everything going in New York? Oh wow, okay. I didn't know if that one you patched. Because you only said there's like one beef really. So I thought that one was. Well, I'm gonna tell you now, Ari.

I wasn't going to say anything and I'm kinda hesitant to release this song. Oh, there's another song? I made another diss track and Anthony Smith is the first fighter I think I talked about on there. And this diss track is really bad. I get Anthony Smith, I get King Mo on there. Oh no. I get John Jones. I get Rashad Evans on there. I get Ian McGarry. I talk shit about Dana White. Every motherfucker about it. I mentioned Chuck Liddell and I mentioned Conor McGregor.

I didn't say nothing too bad about it. But this diss track is so bad, I let my manager hear it and he said, bury that shit, don't do it. And I was gonna make a music video, but the music video is gonna cost 20 grand just to make the music video. And I'm not making the money on these songs. So my manager told me to bury that this track

But if that district ever come out Anthony Smith is going to fucking put a higher after he's gonna hire hitman to come kill Wow That bad. Did you want it out? Huh, you want it out? I Don't know. I don't know if it's funny, but I don't know. I don't know if I should put out my plan I wanted to make music for MMA fans With my with my personality, you know, just joking around and laughing and stuff but I don't know if I should put it out. My plan, I wanted to make music for MMA fans with my personality, you know,

just joking around and laughing and stuff. But I don't know if I should put it out. It might be, I might've went overboard. Would you ever have- I'll tell you what, I'll text it to you. Oh, please. In confidence. Yeah.

You can listen to the song, then you text me back and be like, yes or no, and I will accept your advice. I appreciate confidence. You can listen to the song, then you text me back and be like yes or no, and I will accept your advice. I appreciate that. I'm not in there, right? Thank God. I didn't have enough room for your nose. Yeah, I appreciate that, thank you. Would you ever have Dana, by the way, on the show?

Yeah, we would love to have Dana on the show. The show, the podcast is not about me or who I like or who I don't like, you know. I always try to let the guests have the floor and stuff like that. But honestly, I got no problems with Dana. What I said about him in my song that I just mentioned, it was just words, you know, it was just like,

you know, making a song, like, it was nothing really, I just mentioned him something, wearing a tight suit, wearing the suits too tight. It's just words, you know, it was just like, you know, making a song, like, it was nothing really, I just mentioned him something wearing a tight suit, wearing his suit too tight, it's just funny shit. Yeah. I don't think Dana would take it personal, what I said, but I think King Mo will most definitely hate what I said, because I talked about fucking his baby mama. Oh no.

Oh yeah. Why you say that? Because I fucked his baby mama. Oh, because you did, I thought you said you wanted to. I fucked his baby mom. Oh. After your fight? What fight?

With him? Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. It was after the fight. Yeah. King Mo, he rubbed me the wrong way, and I'm just in my petty era. That's the name of the song, Petty.

I've been real petty right now, because I'm a grumpy old man. I'm upset about a lot of shit, so I'm petty. So you fuck me over, I'm gonna fuck your baby mama. So don't ever get on my back. Oh, you safe, I ain't gonna fuck Frank. You safe, you safe. I wanna come out there, I legitimately,

I hate to hear that you're depressed or down or petty or upset or ornery. I want to come and give you a big hug. No, no, just come to the podcast. All right. And we have a good interview. I can ask you some questions finally. What do you want to ask me?

I'll say it for the podcast. Oh, okay. I mean, give me a taste. Like what type of material? What should I be ready for? Why waste it? I want to get you down in my environment and where I feel more comfortable and I can talk to you about some stuff behind the scenes.

I want to know how you getting all these gigs and working with all these boxes. And you everywhere now, man you done you done took Off man, you don't blew up like and you know you've done a lot of good stuff from MMA I'm gonna give you your flowers. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Just pick you and pick your brain I love you for that and thank you and I will make this happen and I would be honored To be on and I appreciate you wanting me on one last thing and then I'll let you go. Can I just ask? to be on and I appreciate you wanting me on. One last thing and then I'll let you go.

Can I just ask, yesterday, Tom Aspinall passed Henenbarao for the longest reigning interim champion in UFC history. What do they do with John here? What's going on? What do they do with John Jones? Yeah, I mean, this guy is the interim champion for 535 days, Tom Aspinall. Yeah, so what's your question? Fuck Tom Aspinall. Fuck Tom Aspinall. Yeah, so what's your question?

Fuck Tom Aspinall. Fuck Tom Aspinall, I'm joking, I like Tom Aspinall. No, I'm joking, I like Tom Aspinall. He's a great champion, he's a great fighter. I think him and John Jones should get in there and squabble. But you gotta respect John, he wants that bag. And you can't help but respect him. John Jones is the GOAT, I have to say it.

I take my hat off to him. And he deserves a bag. So, if you wanna see him in some asin' on fight, give John Jones what he's asking for. 30 milli. Fuck it, they got it? Yeah, they got it. They got it, goddamn. See, could you imagine 30 milli in the it, they got it? Yeah, they got it. They got it, goddamn.

See, could you imagine 30 milli in the club like this? Vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom, vroom. Bro, if I was a billionaire, I wouldn't waste no 30 milli in the club like that, but I'm addicted to make it rain, and I would probably make it rain a couple hundred thousand if I was a billionaire, a couple hundred thousand in the club, make all the strippers, they retire.

I come to the strip club, they'll retire. Yeah, baby. I'm like, it ain't tricking if you got it. Yeah, fuck it, but, no, 30 million, fuck me. I would love to be on one of those streams with you in the nightclub and see what that's like. Wait, we should most definitely do that. Okay. We should most definitely do that.

All right, well we have a lot of fun. Hey, before I go, let me plug this. I was just about to do it. I was just about to do it. But you can do it. Well, let me do it. Let me do about to do it. I was just about to do it. But you can do it. Let me do it. Let me do it.

That's how you wrap up the interview. I say it at the beginning and then I say it at the end. Oh, thank you for teaching me to do this. No, no, you do it. You do it. You do it. It's better if you do it. No, you do it.

Tell them why they can watch it live and stuff. Vice TV, Rumble, streaming on Rumble, May 2nd, Scottsdale, Arizona, Rampage versus Cejudo, there it is. There's the poster. 6.30 PM. 6.30 PM. I mean, look how professional we are.

What am I missing? Yeah, you're good. May 2nd, and you didn't know that's my son's birthday. My son was supposed to be on my team, but I fired him. What? What do you mean? I fired my son, I feel bad. It was his birthday, he was supposed to fight on my team on his birthday,? I fired my son. I feel bad. It was his birthday.

He was supposed to fight on my team on his birthday, but I fired him. Why? He's off the team? Yeah, he's off the team for now. He got approved to me that he really wanted. And then we're going to get him back on when my team fight Rashad Evans team in Orange County. That's coming up this summer.

Was that a tough conversation? Yeah, it was a real tough conversation. My son moved out of my house after that. He got with Antonio McKee and Antonio McKee got him on another car on May 10th. Me and my son, we still cool, but we barely talking now and he don't live with me no more. And he looked me in my eyes and told me, fuck off.

Really? Yeah, he told me to get off of my high horse. I don't even have any horses, so I didn't know what he was talking about. I can't tell if you're doing like a bit here, if you're joking, if you're being serious. I'm being serious. My son is not fighting on my team.

My son's a fighter. Damn. It was his birthday. He was gonna fight on my team on his birthday. He just wasn't doing right. He wasn't like, I didn't think he was taking the series. I don't think he was training as hard as he was supposed to be in training and keeping his weight down because my son is a 155er,

but he walks around like 170, 175. He should be walking around like 168. I don't want him cutting a whole lot of weight. Well, I'm sorry that happened. At least you have your daughters. You seem to be very tight with them. I'm close with all my kids. But my son, I had to let him know. Tough love.

It's tough. My son's a fighter. I didn't want my kids to fight. It's a dangerous sport, right? You gotta do shit right. There's a story with the Eubank family. I don't know if you saw Chris Eubank Senior and Junior. Senior didn't want his son to fight and he stepped out of the shadows and they came together on Saturday

in a big stadium show. It was a beautiful thing. It really warmed my heart. So I pray for the same thing to happen with you and your son and I'm pulling for you. Can I say I'm pulling for you? Henry doesn't come on the show. He can't come on because his papa won't let him come on.

So I'm pulling for you, all right? All right, thank you. Good luck on May 2nd. Y'all say a prayer for my son so he come back and train the way I want him to train so y'all can have another Rampage out there in the future because he's a better fighter than I was at that age. Much love, Rampage. Thank you so much.

Always love talking to you and good luck later this week. In a matter of moments, we're actually gonna be joined by the founder of the UfL and of f3 energy you saw the the cans behind Rampage a little more on the United Fight League They had an event back in August in Las Vegas two events in 2024 They recently announced a four event exclusive with vice TV. that's on cable, and Rumble for streaming. The system, the team-based scoring system that Rampage alluded to was,

you win in the first round, you get four points, second round, three points, third round, two points, decision, one point. Over the past month, Rashad Evans announced as the franchise owner for the Miami team Frank Meir owner of Las Vegas rampage owner of the OC That's Orange County and Henry Cejudo owner of the Scottsdale team. They're looking to expand Have more teams ownership franchises and As of right now they do remain the only promotion who offers all athletes under multi-flight contracts

health insurance and shares in the company and So on this May 2nd, they'll be having UFL six by the way in addition to those to Star studded captains and all that, they will have Nathan Diaz, Holly Holm, Anthony Pettis, Frank Muir, and Rashad Evans on Friday. So no MMA this Friday. You'll be able to watch UFL 6 if you are so inclined. And it's interesting because, like I said, MMA is in an interesting spot right now.

There aren't a lot of competitors, a lot of people doing things outside of the UFC orbit. Perhaps they could be the ones. And so without further ado, let us say hello to the founder of the UFL to learn more about the United Fight League. We have for mention Harrison Rogers, kind enough to join us right here and now on the program. Great to have him on. Hello Harrison, how are you? Hey, hey, thanks for having me. I'm not gonna lie, I don't know how I follow up

that interview with Rampage. We're all cracking up over here. I know there's a couple clips in there that go viral. Yes, it's always like that, but don't worry, we're not expecting that same type of content out of you, so don't worry. It's not easy following Rampage, but it is great to have you on. And in fact, I think this is the second time that we spoke, because I alluded to the conversation where he called me on the spot.

I think it was right after we had Darren Owen of the GFL on, and you were telling me like, yo, show us some love. We're doing it. We've actually put on events. And so I told you we'd have you on. Here you are just a couple days before the event and we appreciate it. Hey, I appreciate you. Yeah, we felt, we felt, um, how do we get some of that love? GFL, I know you probably got a little bit of a flak, people thinking you give them too much love, but I can, I can assure your whole audience. You were skeptical. You were telling me and Rampage that night,

you definitely weren't trying to pad anybody's credibility. So hopefully I can put some of that to rest. But you guys did have a very unique conversation answering at 11 p.m. at night. Your audience probably doesn't realize how deep your guys' love actually is. I can't lie. I adore that man.

I adore that man. I adore that man. And it was great to get the unexpected call. You always have to be careful with Rampage. You don't know if he's streaming, if he's on a podcast or something when he calls you. So you have to be on your Ps and Qs. But I want to ask you about UFL.

When did this all start for you? And why did it start? Why did you start this? So starting as an MMA enthusiast, a wannabe fighter myself, I got engaged young and the wife said, this is cool and all, you wanting to be a fighter, but I don't know if you are as good as you think you are,

so let's go the business route. And I'm glad she did, because we were blessed to have some success in the business world. But being able to circle back to the MMA passion in 2021 is when I met Frank Mir. And that was a big day for me. He was a legend, a hero that I looked up to during my wannabe days. And he was just telling me some of his horror stories of coming out in the UFC and the MMA world when it was on its up and coming and what does he have to show for it financially, physically and as an entrepreneur, I heard those belly aches, those frustrations

that all of us MMA audiences have. And I heard challenge and I said challenge accepted and Frank and Tito and Rampage, they said, we've heard this before a million times from promoters that want to come in, make a bang and be the next Dana White and try to be, you know, a competitor to UFC. And that was a double challenge. I said challenge accepted again. So I'm definitely not coming out to try to be a UFC competitor. We're not trying to impress anybody with multi-million dollar purses that seem to not ever be able to come to fruition.

We're building this from the ground up with up and coming fighters and fighters who want to redeem their records. Maybe they had a good stint in the UFC for a while and they want to be a part of something that's growing. So we're civic pride. I know you're not a big team versus team fan. You think you even said so on that call. It's kind of perverted right now with the whole GFL thing. I feel dumb even talking about it, but we are doing it. And we have seen firsthand at our last UFL

event where it was Henry Cejudo versus Frank Mir, Team Vegas versus Team Scottsdale. And that team versus team element really did provide not only the fighters, that little extra oomph to, you know, take some risks, try to finish a fight quicker to get those extra points for that $50,000 bonus, but it also provided the audience who didn't know a lot of these fighters before the event to be able to be involved without them having to know the fighters. They know that Team Scottsdale is wearing their cities brand and they want them to win. And so it added that audience investment

that I know can be possible everywhere. And so, all right, so there is, I think that there is a huge opening for a promotion like yours to really make some noise. What I do like about what you're doing is you're not trying to run before you walk. And what I mean by that is you're starting slow. I think last year only two events.

This is your first event of 2025. You just signed this deal with Vice. In 2025, let's say, this is UFL6. How many events ideally would you like to put on? So we have four scheduled this year. We have UFL six Friday. We have UFL seven, which is actually Rampage Jackson versus Rashad Evans, team Miami in Orange County, which is going to be August 15th, 16th weekend.

And then we actually have two more franchises that are weighted to be announced. And then when we have those two teams finalized, we'll have an October event and then a December event. And what that is, is to basically show the teams that have all six teams total that have joined forces for this league. And then in 2026, we roll out our whole regular season, the playoffs, the championship. And like I said, I feel freaking weird saying this because it sounds way too GFLE,

but just watch, we're doing it. We don't have to say when or if, but so in 2026, we're gonna have 16 events. And you're absolutely right. We laid the foundation. We showed that we provide health insurance to our fighters when it's at the league level. We had our Grand Prix where we were able to show the quality of production that we can put on it and the treatment that we give to our fighters. And now we're rolling out the team versus team,

which Rampage was frustrated that I took this long to do because that was always phase two. But phase one was really to be able to show that framework of what we can do. And that was the crawling phase. Now we're walking and I think next year with our new broadcast partners, it's the run phase. And we're excited to, you know, we're not going to change the MMA world overnight. We're not trying to come out with billion dollar promises, but we're excited to bring a whole new element to not only the fans, but the fighters,

and definitely the betting odds. We have some cool sports betting platforms that are realizing the differences that we can create with team betting and with parlayles that is really getting exciting. Okay, so why am I wrong, Harrison, when I say like, oh, the team concept doesn't work in MMA, why do you think it's right? Why do you think it will succeed for you?

So my goal growing up forever was owning the Phoenix Suns. I'm a basketball fan and I am loyal to the Phoenix Suns. I'm not loyal to the Steve Nash's, to the Charles Barkley. I love them when they're on my team, but the brand of the Phoenix Suns was what I always wanted to be in charge of. I wanted to help them get their first NBA final championship trophy.

And so I've always seen how the team versus team element survives the, um, you know, the, the time, the golden area, the golden era of MMA, we all talked about, you know, the rampage, the Chuck Liddell, I see UFC kind of struggling right now to stay exciting when fighters come and go, and now the brand is bigger than these fighters, we need that longevity of excitement. I think being able to have franchises

that people fall in love with and can support through the ends of time, I think that solves that. By the way, the Suns were up for sale not that long ago. Matt Ishbia ended up buying them. Why didn't you? I was one of the minority group to throw in the hat. I wanted to, but I definitely wasn't ready

to take it all down myself. I'm never gonna try to act like I'm richer than I am, but Ishbia had the pockets and he was a little bit of a cleaner ownership group to make the offer. And he honestly was the right person to do it. He was a fan first. So to be able to come in and lose money to get some stars, to try to get that championship,

he was the knight in shining armor that I wanted to be. Robert Sarver was an owner that everybody kind of would have looked, anybody who filled his shoes would have looked great. I wanted that to be me, but just wasn't the right time. So instead of owning an NBA franchise, why not own the MMA league that everybody can enjoy different franchises with? Could I ask, I know you also are the founder of F3 Energy.

We see the cans over there and the logo. This is somewhat of a blunt question, but like your day to day, where did you make your money? Where did you come from? It is a weird world. I actually came from a totally different business background. I have an older sister with severe autism, so growing up with her I saw a need from a totally different business background. I have an older sister with severe autism.

So growing up with her, I saw a need to build a different opportunity for individuals with cognitive disabilities. So I started with starting outpatient clinics for cognitive disabilities to private schools for students with autism, to occupational therapy, transition to a completely different world than an MMA promotion or an

energy drink company. But that company, Lexington Services, has really matured it in a way where I've been able to turn it over to other partners to run and grow. And now I can focus on a different passion project with MMA. And it's been fun though to see those worlds kind of collide in the F3 world because as an athlete growing up, I abused energy drinks. I love energy. And so I would drink energy drinks and I had a heart attack at 19 years old. So realizing the dangers of stimulants and being careful what to put in your body, I wanted to have a different solution to that, but I never had the platform to start an energy drink. I can't sell that just to a bunch of business individuals or

educators with my school. But when we started UFL, everybody goes after the sponsors of energy drinks and whatnot. And of course, being a new promotion, they weren't offering us big money, if anything at all. And so I just wanted to double down on our efforts of what we're building. And it allowed me to pursue what I wanted to do with a better energy drink, where not only are we, you know, getting our caffeine from a little bit of a cleaner energy source like green tea derivative caffeine and the B12s and everything else that people are starting to lean into, my mental and behavioral background really wanted me to add things, new tropics like ginkgo biloba,

L-thienine, ginseng pan-axe that when Rampage was on with Joe Rogan, he was able to really see and acknowledge the difference in our brand. Because when you stimulate your body, unfortunately, you are kind of compromising your mental acuity and how quickly your brain processes. When you stimulate your body, emotions go up, rationale goes down, and I didn't, I couldn't keep doing that as a business owner. So I'm excited to have F3 as its own standalone business

really make a splash in its functional beverage industry. And so, all right, so you have the plans for the events this year, and then massive plans next year. How long is the VICE deal for? Does it cover all of these events? 20 or so, right? Because you said 16 next year and four this year, right? No, 16 next year. Did you say 16? So no, I said 16, one six next year and four this year. So that's 20 events in the next, you know, two years, year and a half really, because we're almost halfway done. Are they all gonna be on Vice? So through 2025, we're on Vice.

Okay. And I'm a big manifestation guy. I love Vice, I love what we're building, but they would be the first to admit that they're new to the live space world. We wanna help them grow their Vice Sports platform, and I think we definitely can. But I know a lot of things are going on with ESPN and different UFC conversations that as we

not only have our six teams and franchises for 2026, in 2027 when we have 12 franchises and 12 teams, we're getting up to 54 events a year, different regional shows of team versus team, that it's gonna be really difficult to be on one broadcast partner, kind of like the NBA. They have their regional networks, they pick up Phoenix Suns versus Clippers versus whoever else that,

then obviously they have their TNT, well, their ESPN, ETNT. When you have that many events you kind of got to get creative. So right now they're a great partner but depending on the landscape you know what what streaming is doing if Netflix, if ESPN, whoever comes to the table we're excited to be that solution to fill some voids that I think are gonna be, you know, vacuums that are being created right now with all these movements that we stand to be a pretty good looking dance partner for a broadcast partner. When someone like Rampage says he's a team owner

and all that, what does that mean? Like, is he investing in the team? What does that actually require? Right, so right now, our legends like Henry Cejudo, Frank Mir, Rampage Jackson, Rashad Evans, they are gifted about 25% ownership of these franchises just for being the face. You provide the credibility, you provide the excitement

for those franchises where fighters wanna follow your lead. They've obviously accomplished many things that these fighters want to do for themselves. And so they didn't have to put money into it. And honestly, we're building the franchise for them. We have five other people. So we have two left and between Justin Gaethje, Holly Holm, Anthony Pettis, Nate Diaz for Sacramento or Stockton, but Sacramento might be easier to explain, or Frankie Edgar. They have to be a coach-based franchise owner that is from their town. They have to be the face of, it's a team versus team. They have to be that civic pride owner

that we build then the infrastructure around them. The UFL pays for everything upfront. We cover all the events. We cover the base purses for the fighters, the health insurance, the broadcast cost, the insurances, everything it costs to put on the event. UFL as the league covers, covers it. But as we go in and build the franchise out for these legends, we get their local

sponsors, we get their local merge, their local branding, you know, ticket sales. It's all a rev share model. I hate saying that cause GFL kind of perverted that phrase, but when each event gets put on and we cover the cost, it's a third, third, third of the revenue. So the league will get 33%, team A will get 33%, and team B will get 33% of every single event. Obviously, we have our corporate sponsors that will be paying a lot of those be paying a lot of those overhead costs. So once these franchises are fully built out where we sign multi-fight deals for the fighters, we're not having to do a lot of the matchmaking for the each franchise.

Like Rampage, he's been great. He and Henry and Frank, they all have the fighters that they nominate right now. But we do a lot of the matchmaking on the back end to make sure that the commissions will actually agree to some of these match matchings. But until we have the multi fight deals where they're locked in for a whole season, it's kind of hard and it takes a lot of time where, you know, the Frank Mears, the Nate Diaz, they're not going to have time to do this back end franchise building. So we do that for them.

And in five years, you know, when it's really a built out franchise, they have their own model, their own value, they're going to be able to decide if they want to stay on as the face, hire their own GMs to recruit, you know, up and coming fighters, or if they want to cash out of their 25%, sail off into the sunset with a good payday, that's something that these legends never were able to do with the UFC. Can you imagine if they had some of the equity in the exits that's happened with UFC since?

And that's something I want to solve, is for these legends to have a future retirement plan or stay active without having to fight in the cage and hope that purses come through like they're promised. They have abilities to stay in the MMA game, make good money and leave when they want to, not when their bodies no longer will allow them

to do anything else. End of 2026, where's the UFL? Where do you wanna be? End of 2026, we will have 12 franchises and hopefully signed a long-term deal with a broadcast partner that can either handle all of the events or portions of the highlight events and then regional broadcast partners

take on the lower value events. And we have, hopefully, some of these studs that stick around. We've had three of our UFL champions get poached by UFC the second they get a UFL belt, where if we've been around long enough and the MMA world sees what we've built, I want that notoriety for our belt that, you know, they might not be so quick to jump to UFC. I know that's a far-fetched idea. UFC is the Super Bowl. The notoriety for that belt will never go away. But if we can hold on to these fighters from when they start and build and they become the John Jones is they become the Conor McGregor is the exciting people.

We don't want to keep losing them. So we want, um, that notoriety where it's going to take time. It's good. It's going to take. But when the, but when these fighters have equity, I don't, I don't, I didn't even mention that. The fighters themselves have equity in the company. Why would they go fight for other promotions when they help us build something that they ultimately are going to have either liquidation events that help them with

retirement or they just keep their dividend bearing stock for the rest of their life. I'm hoping over the next five years, it would be a hard decision for these fighters to take a contract somewhere else. I wish you guys the best. I think you're doing it the right way. All right, I'm Chad and Kathy. No, no, no, I appreciate the passion, I appreciate the vision,

and I want to watch on Friday, so it's May 2nd on Vice Sports, on Rumble. What time does it kick off? What time does the broadcast start? 6.30, Arizona time, which Arizona's confusing everybody. We're Pacific time right now. Yes, it is weird when the clocks change. So that's 9.30 here in New York City.

Good luck to you and the team. Looking forward to it very much, and looking forward to what you guys do over the next couple of years as well. Thank you so much, Harrison. Appreciate you and the team. Looking forward to it very much and looking forward to what you guys do over the next couple of years as well. Thank you so much, Harrison. Appreciate you, my man. All right, there he is. Harrison Rodgers, the founder and the CEO

of the United Fight League. Check him out this Friday. I will be doing so myself. Now throughout the show, I continue to get a call. So I just want to take this call. Who, me? Yeah, I keep getting this call throughout the show. I'm like, yo, do you not see that we're live right now?

Do you not see that we're streaming? Do you not see that we're available to the world? Do you not see that we have the most eclectic lineup in the history of combat sports? I wouldn't want to be that person. Do you not see? Do you not? You know, we used to have a rule that if you call us you get called.

Yeah. But now they're just going to leave you on the phone. Now they're just, I called, I mean I did my job. You can't tell us who it was? Who was? No, no, no. Can we guess? Kept calling, kept calling, kept calling, kept calling.

I was like, what is going on here? You want in? You want in too? You were going to put him on the air but you couldn't tell us who it was? Yeah, that's right. calling like what is going on here you want in you want in too you were gonna put him on the air but you couldn't tell us who it was yeah that's right I want to see if you could tell who was based on his voice generic voicemail by the way rampage sent me the the diss track hey Pete see how are you how's it going how's boys yeah very jealous Patrice Everett huh yeah what do you think what

do you think I mean was he captain of that little outfit known as man United yeah you brilliant brilliant player. And we miss him now, of course, fame for his energetic performance against our big rivals, a legend of a man. He's actually, you know, for lads who kind of dip their toe in this kind of thing, he is one of the most convincing I've heard. I know his age. I know all this stuff.

I know people I think are PFL. He knows his shit, man. He is named up and left right and center Yeah, how many like premier MMA for his he mates with I mean, I think it's it's a promising sign I'm interested in what a scene it's gonna be in Paris When he debuts I I said that rampage sent me he sent me the diss track I cannot wait to hear this the the a music video the, uh, music videos, insanely high level. Oh, but this is the one that, Oh, this is the one where he went after everyone.

Yes. Yes. The never, the never to see the light of day one. Uh, amazing. All right, uh, guys, time now for everyone's favorite second one of the week. It is time. It's time for all the good things. Pete is here.

We might as well let's get into it. Cause it's three 59. What a day it has been, what a day it has been. This is from Keen. Hey Ariel and crew, a couple of quick truer falses. We love these. Okay he's asking Will. I guess this works. Will Islam Makhachev be 170 pound champion? What do you guys think? True. In his whole career? In his whole career, yeah. True, yeah, true. I say true as well. Will Darren Till fight for a UFC title in the UFC again? False. We don't care.

Oh wow, good job, Frank. Damn, Frank. Good job, Frank. False, no. False. Will Paul Hughes fight for a title in the UFC? Be true. Yeah, yeah. I'm with you.

He's got so much time. Big news. I'm gonna stay true just based on that, yeah. And by the way- Pretty much just Usman and Amaga Madoff in the UFC maybe for the title. Golly. If you missed it,

definitely go check out last Friday's crack, Pizzi and Paul having the crack. I mean, at just a grand old time. How were those Yahoo Dublin offices, Pizzi? They were savage, man. I can it just a grand old time. How are those Yahoo Dublin offices beats it? There were savage man. I can't believe resources been sitting on my doorstep pretty much for this long Look, wow, this is this is very impressive. What about that panoramic view of Dublin? Oh my god, right next door You gotta get yourself a desk there My they were like you want to stay we're having a carvery dinner here

I was like, I'm gonna go but like I really wish I could what is that? What it's like, no, I'm going to go. But like, I really wish I could. What is that? What? It's like, you know, like the Joe and big John post about like a Sunday roast. Yeah. Like all the car of meat and all the gravy and stuff like that. How'd that go? Offered it to you, Z and his cameraman as well. Would you believe? Wow. Okay. No, maybe, maybe a little premature with that. But speaking of Frank, the last one is, uh, will Frank get video on Spotify in 2025? No. False.

I'll give him a no for 2026 as well. The Flying Dutchman asks, hello Ariel, what do you and the boys in the back think of the Bo Nicol versus RDR matchup? Kind of flying under the radar, sneaky good fight, he adds, I feel like RDR matchup kind of flying under the radar sneaky good fight he adds I feel like the I feel like RDR is overlooked a bit especially in America how far do you see him going in the UFC right now who is the favorite in that fight oh come on come on I don't know I don't know ridiculous I don't know it's gonna be a bit a favorite against everybody he fights maybe even when he fights for

the title on topology says minus 280 has it gone up? Okay, will this be the smallest? Line for him as a favorite in the UFC. No. Oh really he was closer. No, no, no, no, he's saying historically I'm pretty sure yeah, it is. Yeah Represent a step. I thought you were asking will it be ever no no no definitely not no no I mean like up until this point by the time Yeah, it is it is okay. I love the matchup. I think it's a proper test for him already are 21 pro fights boat 7 already are multiple-time world champion in one championship

I like the matchup, but yes of course even dating back to contender series This is actually the first time he is a triple digit favorite. He was even a minus 1350 against Paul Craig. Wow. See that I don't get. I don't think the level between Paul Craig and RDR is that vastly different. Also like similar strengths.

Yeah. RDR is not great on the feet. Save it, save it, save it. We have a show tomorrow. The boys in the back. Comet of men. We'll be there, we'll be there. How excited are we?

We'll be in there for that one. How excited? 11. 11, man. I've been eating corn all week. I'm not digesting it that well, but I've been eating corn all week, baby. I'm ready to roll.

I feel like you guys have to like, is everything, by the way, how long is that flight? Three hours. Something like that. Three hours. We're going to middle America. Are you all in the same flight? Yes.

All in the same flight. All, if I'm not mistaken, all in different classes. Are you just standard coach? Yeah, yeah. He's standard coach. I'm preferred plus or whatever. And then camera guy Nick got the first class. Oh, I'm the fucking low man on the totem pole here.

All right. I mean, that's what you get when you're flying with the business side. They get first class. Is everything broken down by the hour? No, it's actually not broken down whatsoever. What time does it start? 6 p.m., so 5 p.m. local.

Okay. So we're landing, running a fight feast, hotel fights. Streaming, are you gonna be streaming like Rampage? I think that's what the kids are doing. We don't have the capabilities for that. How do people do that, by the way? Do they have like a pack or is it like, is the technology so advanced now

that you can do it from a phone or something? You can have a pack. Okay. You can get a pack. And then fights and then back to the hotel, back to the airport, out of there. You guys in on Monday? Hopefully meet a few people. We'll be here on Monday.

Yeah, hopefully we'll see some fans out there. Oh yeah. Maybe meet the mayor of Des Moines. That'd be tremendous. They can, like they could do a whole little ceremony for you outside the Wells Fargo arena, is it? Yeah, yeah, I was actually hoping it would be a red carpet affair when we landed.

Or the key to the city, right? You're gonna become the mayor of Des Moines, Connor. You will be. I'll buy some property while we're out there. Gecko Da, hi Ariel and crew. My friends and I are planning a trip to Vegas this summer and we plan on checking out some of the casinos while we are there.

I've never been to a casino. I don't really know how to play any of the games. Do you have any advice for first time casino goers and what games are easy to learn fast? Thank you, shout out to the boys in the back. And PD, now the thing is. PD. Yeah, I think that's PD. Now the thing is, PD. Yeah, I think that's just,

you're asking the wrong guy. All my years in Vegas, I don't think I've done anything. I may have told a friend, like, do this in roulette or something like that, but I've never gone up there and done it myself. You just gave the best advice you could give. Don't do it. Well, no. Shred very late. I mean, if you're going out there to have a good time.

No, look, the actual number one tip is only spend what you can afford. Right. Make a number in your head, whatever that number is, that you are comfortable, that if you lose every dollar of that, you're not going to be hurt. And do not go back to the ATM. Do not ask anybody else for any money. Spend that amount. If you win, great. You're going to feel hurt, and do not go back to the ATM. Do not ask anybody else for any money. Spend that amount. If you win, great.

You're gonna feel like a million bucks. You won 10 bucks, you're gonna feel like a million. You lose it, you said to yourself already, you've committed to mentally that I will lose this, and then you walk away happy. What's the best game? What's the best game? I'm biased, I only like poker.

Simple games are like roulette and blackjack. You can pick those up very easily. You can play them for a while. They're pretty fun. You can lose your money fast in those though what you really do go to the video poker put in the ten dollar minimum they come and get you the complimentary drink you say thank you then you cash out the ten go to another place rinse repeat before you know you've had enough drinks and you never actually spent the ten dollars if you

really want to have some fun you go to the MGM grand and you never actually spent the $10. Wow. If you really wanna have some fun, you go to the MGM Grand and you go to the Electronic Horses like we do every time we're there. It was fun. It is the most degenerate shit. I can't remember what it's called. It's like Golden Horseshoe or something. It is literally toy horses that go around a track and we sit there like the Genzos betting dollars on them. Which is the best casino?

They're all the same to me. I actually, as much as I love sports betting, I don't really like casinos that much. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan. That's part of the reason why we always try to go to a hotel that doesn't have a casino. Oh my god. I do enjoy the sports book at the,

it's the Aria because it's a little bit chill we had great memories there Pete C Chuck and I with Nate Diaz you'll recall back in the day that was an amazing time remember that night Pete C well maybe you don't remember that night I'm not sure no I just it was a good time we had a good time hopefully definitely not fully but we had a great time trust me on this so yeah just have a good time Don't go crazy. I actually used to not get why you were like no I don't like to stay in the casinos, but now that I've been a couple times I get it It's such a bitch to walk through the casino to get to your hotel room. Yeah

Hut Ariel thoughts on Nick's game six in Detroit Thursday. I think you guys closed it out Also, do you think we'll ever see a player beat Wiltz a hundred points in a game record? Go Pacers, thank you, love the show. A couple quick thoughts. I do think we'll see someone beat Wiltz record. I'm obviously nervous. I did say Nixon 7, so I figured it was gonna play out this way, although this has been a very weird series. I think they could have easily closed it out. They haven't closed out a series at home since 1999, which is wild. They had their opportunities. I wish Tom Thibodeau would have called time out

or just had them foul someone to get Josh and Jalen back in the game. I hate the Kith. I like Kith as a company. I hate the two-tone court. I hate it even more now when I see that Jalen injured his ankle again because the court moved. What the hell? The two-tone drives me nuts. Just give me the classic whites at home, the classic blue on the road. I don't think the Pistons play particularly good.

In fact, I would say this is probably the worst game that they played in the series. And I do want to remind Knicks fans, we choked away in game five last year against Philly. Tyrese Maxey had an incredible game and shot at the end, and then we ended up winning on the road in Philly game six. Why can't the same thing happen here? A little bit nervous about the next round, we have to get by this one. Maybe we get by in seven, that would suck when you had them on the ropes in five. But overall, there's a lot of big decisions that the suck when you had them on the ropes in five. But overall, there's a lot of big decisions that the Knicks have to make in the offseason.

Regarding the Pacers, big win, big comeback for them. The scene with Giannis and Tyrese Halliburton's dad in the aftermath was a total disgrace. He should be reprimanded. You can't go on the court with a fucking towel with your son's face and just put it in. He's lucky he didn't get punched like if he did that to like a Draymond Green or a beef steward or one of those guys like he would have gotten knocked out hang on what happened what happened oh well look it up is all if you just type in Yanis name the game ends crazy comeback in

overtime and and and Yanis is essentially standing at like the free throw line with his back towards the basket. Hallenberg's dad goes all the way onto the court in front of him so he's like walked from behind the basket all the way in front of him with a towel holding a towel with his son's face on it being like yeah yeah we did it like egging him on and and and and you see the look on Janis's face like what the fuck is this And then it's clear that it hits him that he's, he's an older man and he's Tyrese's dad. They all know each other's parents.

And one night he sits in the front row and then he got like in his face moments after and there was a whole brouhaha, no punches were thrown. And in fact, I urge everyone to watch. There's probably no more thoughtful athlete in the NBA, in my opinion, than Giannis, as far as his post-game press conferences are concerned.

And the one that he had yesterday, talking about that incident, it's like three and a half minutes, the answer. Coming from a guy of his stature, after a loss like that, was as good, if not better, than the one that he had a couple years ago. I don't know if you guys ever saw it when a reporter asked him was this season a failure and he gave him like a three-minute answer about how there are no failures in sports,

you're just building towards it. This is a guy speaking, this is a guy whose first language is Greek and he speaks with just such emotion such such understanding of his position in the sport and he's just a real human being I love the way he answered that question yesterday and I give him a lot of credit for keeping his cool but there has to be some sort of repercussion for that. Halliburton that yeah, he did his dad did was wrong What credit him and then his dad also said like that was completely wrong. I Really regret it. So he apologized great like yes Incredibly out of place and like shadow Yanis is just like like he said it like comes from an incredible story really grounded

champion Could it could have done something really bad? We could have had a mouse in the palace moment Like he said, it comes from an incredible story, really grounded champion. Could have done something really bad. We could have had a mouse in the palace moment, but yeah. Oh my God, 100%. Imagine, I mean, it would have been a total disaster for the league. So yes, great that they apologized. You can't do that, I'm sorry.

Like who the hell are you? This guy just lost and got eliminated in a heartbreaking fashion. He could have easily snapped, easily. You're an older man, come on. He told the story about how his mom was afraid to go on the court when when Yanis won the NBA championship in 2021. Like that's how his parents have have dealt with things and his family. So yeah, shout out to Yanis. I'm a fan and he did not deserve that. Here's McKinney. What's good Ariel

and the boys in the back? By the way, Nixon 6 in six. Let's go. I ran the London Marathon on Sunday for a local cancer charity. Well done and finally got close to my target time of three hours with a three and a half, a three hour and 12 finish. Three hour and 12 minute finish. This marked my fifth marathon across two years now, but if you told me years ago that this would be something that would become so integral in my life, I wouldn't have believed you. I know you're a big proponent of jogging for daily fitness and all around better mental health. My question today is, have you tried to do a race,

big or small, would you ever try to? No feeling like it. And it's probably the closest I'll ever feel to how a fighter feels after they win. This has always been something that I've wanted to do thought of doing but just never did it to be honest And I don't know. Maybe the ship has sailed maybe not but I give you a ton of credit He also adds all the best you and the team Shout out to the legends GC New York Rick Jordan and Frank who I got to meet in the studio a few months back top-class team

I never miss a show. How about it? Thanks, man. And congrats to you. Wild Horse, I know you are a big Ian Gary supporter, but did this weekend's main event show that Ian Gary is susceptible to be beaten if someone just puts the pace on him and makes him fight? Gary doesn't want to brawl, he wants to touch and point fight.

The fifth round, pretty concerning. He was crawling to escape at one point and fully went into flight mode. I don't think that's fair. I think Carlos wanted to do that in the first round. I think Ian allowed for that not to happen. He made a mistake and things got dicey and things will get dicey in MMA fights. But I don't know, you tell me, Pizzi, you know him way better than I do and you've been watching him longer than I is he a point fighter in your opinion no not all really I think this kind of thing started with the UFC and I think

I talked to Rick about before I think was Rick or GC and we kind of said it's probably something to do with the levels as well like look look at who this guy is fighting and not for nothing look at what Pratchett's do it does to guys usually like this is a guy who's melting dudes like for a year. He joined the UFC and he melted every person he fought. And then Ian put a style on him for three rounds where he actually didn't know how to get him. He couldn't, he couldn't get near him. Caught him eventually. I think it was at the end of the fourth round, the first meaningful contact I saw. And there was a big reaction, but look at what usually happens when Pratchett's

hits guys it's over the fight is over and I think he did a very good job of describing the situation from his point of view when he was on your show and if you went if you go back and watch it and I did go back and watch it after I saw Ian speaking he doesn't sit in a position for a second that's not a guy that's completely gone I think he I think it would be completely fair to say he was close to being finished, but the reason why he didn't get finished is because he was with it. He kept moving. He didn't let Pratchett settle. He didn't let him get a good vantage point to hit him with a big shot that could have ended the fight. Maybe it was just three punches away, but he couldn't get the three punches in. And that's important when you're factoring in like how did this fight

go for Ingar? I also don't think we tend to do this thing where we think that every fighter has to be perfect, right? That you can have no holes in your game, otherwise you're not going to be able to compete at an elite level. In reality, if Ian's able to execute his game plan better than you're able to execute yours, he's going to win that fight. And so the best off the best defense is a good offense. And Ian Gary's offense prevented proches offense from getting off prevented him from doing what he needed to do. It was a fantastic game plan. I didn't see anywhere where I was looking at that and going like I don't think I think Ian Gary

has these major glaring holes that he can't compete at this level. He got hit by a guy who puts everybody else to sleep in the final moments of a fight. And so he got rocked and he survived, but he dominated that fight. He completely outclassed him. He continues to talk about these master classes. It was a master class. It was one way traffic. So yeah, I don't see that.

But if you're asking me, can somebody beat Ian Gary? Yes, I think somebody can beat Ian Gary. I don't think he's invincible in the same way I don't think most fighters are invincible. So I see some areas where somebody could beat him Gary I don't think he's invincible in the same way I don't think most fighters are invincible so I see some areas where somebody could beat him but I see many areas where he's gonna beat other guys just as badly short and sweet. We're not saying like the optics aren't bad like yeah of course like that it would have been better if that didn't happen you know like in terms of if he's weighing up who's gonna be next for a title I'm sure the UFC matchmakers

are gonna take that in consideration like versus a Brady v. Leon fight like that It's 100% kind of factor into those decisions, but I thought he fought great I think more of the narrative is around this like quote-unquote point fighting which I don't know what it actually means anymore Like he's not sitting there doing like cardio kickboxing class. Like he's got a knocked him down. Yeah, he's got quite an aggressive style He's very high volume. He doesn't have the power maybe somebody like proches has but that I don't know I'm not a I'm not a guy who needs to see that. I think Ian Gary is is quite quite a good fighter Here's short and sweet Ariel. What is your take on BJ Penn thinking his family was replaced and that whole situation I know it's a sensitive topic, but we would love to hear your take considering your extensive coverage of the sport. I mean it's

very sad. I obviously haven't talked to BJ. I think BJ doesn't like me anymore or something. I've seen him post some stuff but obviously there's a lot going on. I have the utmost love and respect and admiration for BJ, a legend of the game, and I hope that he's okay. I hope that he is able to get to be in a good, healthy place. I think we all kind of feared as the sport grew up, and as, you know, there was once a time where people would be like, look, look at the MMA fighters compared to the boxers, you know, there's no real issues,

life after fighting, all that stuff. Well, there just wasn't a big enough sample size, and now you're starting to see that. I mean, even Harrison was referring to some of that. You know, for some of you newer fans, like BJ is royalty. He's New York Ricks favorite fighter. He's one of the greatest fighters of all time. I've talked on and on about how I thought at one point he was the best pound for pound

fighter in the world after his win at UFC 107. I don't like to see this. And I just wish him the best and I think everyone does. He is truly fighting royalty and this stuff is scary and we know about the repercussions and we know what could happen to fighters after the music stops so to speak and there's not a lot of protection and there's no real, you know, there's no soft landing, there's no pension, things like that. That's why I talk about these things

because you get to see how, you know, the sausage is made and what the fighters are left with in the aftermath, when it all is said and done, like we, you know, you could focus on this event and this event and this event, and it goes on and on and on. But that's why I have so much love for the rampages of the world and the legends of the game

because without them, A, there is none of us, there is no sport. They gave us great entertainment and there was a time where they were the Ian Garys of the world. They were, you know, the Aspenalls and. The Islams. The Islams and the Sugar Shant and the Marabs, like this whole thing moves so fast.

And I hate to see some of those guys get forgotten about. And I obviously hate to see what happens to some of them. So obviously I don't know exactly, we don't know exactly what he's dealing with. Some of this stuff is alarming. And I just wish him the best. I don't even wanna put a word on it because we just want him to be well

and he deserves that. He certainly does in my opinion. We move along now. Patrick McCrate, Ariel, any chance you'll be participating at all in the Times Square Boxing event? Whoop, what happened here? It would be sick to see you and Pat McAfee working together in some capacity. At the moment no, this is not one that

we will be working. I had a couple people come up to me at the draft I guess it's that it's that you know it's that same fan base asking about Pat. Like I said one time, two times, three times, again, another guy who I have the utmost respect and love for, always loved going on the show and was very grateful because I felt like, especially in the pandemic, like I was able to sort of show a different side of myself and have fun. He knows where I am. He knows that if he ever needs me, I'd love to be on. I'm happy to be on, but you know, obviously not begging and not, no plans at the moment of doing anything with him in the near future of being on the show

or being at the event on Friday, because it's very, very close, tight, and they have their team and that's all great. Did you ever ask Renear De Ritter on the show or what's your procedure with AA fighters? No, I've asked who manages him. When I find out, I don't even bother to be honest. There are some that I know from before. I have a relationship with and that's different.

But I'll be a thousand percent honest. I don't want any of this shit. So who is the fighter? Oh, Fabian Edwards. He fought and then I was told he's an Ali fighter. And I said, like go and find out beforehand. I don't want any 11th hour. I don't want any drama, I don't want any of this. It's all so very stupid. So I wanted to make sure the day I booked him, it was the day after his win, if there was going to be no issues. I'll be honest with you, UFL asked me if I wanted to have Henry on. I said sure, but he's not going to do it. Oh, let's see. You see what happens. So it seems to me like it's like the UFC guys have been told if you do this, it's a problem. How ridiculous that is and the other guys are told no big deal. Alright. JFED. Hey Ariel, has Chris Eubanks Sr. always carried the persona as a gentleman and a philosopher during his boxing career?

I suggest you you listen to Eddie Hearn's interview yesterday on the program. He talked a little bit about that evolution as a character. Brilliant guy. The first time I met him, I was blown away. JFED adds, he has to be the most fascinating man in boxing. Please get him on the show. I have tried to, I had his number and he's been on the show before. Type in Chris Eubank Jr.

He's been on the show in person via phone call, but I've had some trouble. And obviously, you know, he's got a lot going on. He's got a great YouTube channel as well. He does a great job. So I appreciate that very much. Ivan, will you have Chatterjee on anytime soon? Also, any GFL updates?

I have not heard anything regarding the GFL, to be honest. And no issues with Chatterjee, no plans at the moment. Was there something you wanted me to talk about specifically? I don't know. Matt McDermott, Subarion Fellas, quick one from me. What is the point of bringing Jeremy Stevens back and giving him a hometown showcase if we're going to give him such a tough matchup?

I mean, I guess they're saying that they want him to work for it. Can I be honest with you? That one kind of flew under the radar, right? Like I almost kind of forgot that this is happening. Anyway, he says, I'm not implying he deserves a layup, but going up against a minus 600 favorite seems a bit weird. This is another classic example of UFC trying to make a point.

I don't think so. I think they're saying, hey, by the way, one fight deal. You want to come in? You got to earn it. Thanks for making days go by faster and my weeks more enjoyable. Much love. I appreciate that very much Mikey see can we get rampage a big fight? Yeah, let's do it. I would love to get him a big fight

Who should he fight? I? Don't know Who should he fight? I don't know He seems to be in a great place. I don't know if they, look, he wants to scratch that itch. He wants to get one boxing match out of the way. I'm alpha. Yeah. Let's just get it, stream it on your channel,

call it a day. Don't, you know, don't rely on these shady promoters. J to the A. Hey, Heelwani, hey, boys in the back. Love the shows. Question, when did you start seriously following sports and what was your first interest? The first thing I like truly loved was pro wrestling. That was like the first thing I was captivated by. Hockey was obviously very big in Montreal. I would say like the first teams, but I was never a huge hockey fan.

When I was introduced to the Knicks and I really got into them, I fell in love. Like it was an intense passion. We walked into a shoe store. My brothers told me, you should get those shoes. I think they were ribbing me. They were Patrick Ewing shoes. I said, all right, who's this guy? This is 91. I'm like, all right, I'm in. That's my guy. I've told you around that same time I'm watching the Super Bowl,

Super Bowl 25, Bill's lose, Scott Norwood, wide right, heartbroken for them. I say that's my team. And I was also a big Expos fan. I would go to games early when my brother would get autographs. Those are my three favorite teams as a kid obviously I all my friends loved hockey that was their favorite sport but I was never as big of a hockey fan so that's why I don't talk about the Canadians in the playoffs they're playing the Capitals they're probably gonna be eliminated in the first round I would love for them to win I would be happy when they are playing in the playoffs when they're doing well. They had a great unexpected season this year.

I'm happy. I'm aware of who's on the team, who's doing what, but nowhere near my love for the Knicks and Bills and the Expos back in the day. And even Forrest now, to be honest. Like I'm way more invested in them and enjoy watching them. So yeah, very, very young, very, very young. even for us now, to be honest. Like, I'm way more invested in them and enjoy watching them. So yeah, very, very young. Very, very young.

I probably was like four. 1986, I saw the box for WrestleMania One, which happened in 85. And, yeah, I remember exactly where I was. I remember the video rental place that was up there. I remember the box with Hogan and Mr. T. And I was hooked.

Dennis, hey Ariel, long time listener, first time questioner, I'm really glad you started streaming the show on Twitter. Definitely glad to see it getting the live viewership it deserves. I asked Rick this question a few years ago on Twitter, but he never got back to me, though he said he would. Have you guys thought about streaming on Twitch?

I believe that we should stream on all the platforms. There was once a time where I thought it should only be in one place. I wanna go on Twitch, I wanna go on freaking Kick, I wanna go on all these places, why not? That's what I believe. So. Spotify video as well.

But I do like the Twitter or the X streaming and I think it's added a lot of value so I enjoy that. Shone. Shone asks like 37,000 questions. I can't answer all of them. I'm trying my best. He says, hello Ariel, have you ever played Minecraft? It's very fun and relaxing. My kids used to be super into it. I wanted to take them to the movie, and they said they weren't interested in it. Kids grow up so fast, man.

Yeah, they're like, no. You know the game came out in 2009? Really start to fill your age when you realize that. I was exposed to it probably in like 15, maybe later, when my son maybe was like 6, 7 and then he wears the clothes and it was Minecraft and Roblox. Which, yeah, which I just thought was amazing that game comes out in 2009 and then has like a resurgence with a new generation of people in 2015.

So shout out to them to notch. We see you. Thank you. That was very well said. Here's Josh Helwani appreciation post for all the naysayers who criticized you for your mix of MMA, wrestling, boxing and other content. Suck it! You have opened the door into worlds unknown for people like me. A wrestling fan from a young boy who fell out of love with it. You have introduced me to storylines and characters from today. I cannot get enough of

you, Bank vs. Ben. I now care about the sport of boxing. If I had to pick an NFL team, it would be the Bills. If I had to pick an NBA team, it would be the Knicks. This is all due to your coverage. You don't do this for the ones who criticize you. You do it for people like me, who are on the wild sports journey with you. Thanks for opening so many doors for us. Viva Helwani.

Cheers, Josh. Man, Josh's gonna make me cry. Thank you. I wish we focused more on the Josh. No, I'm not gonna say we. I wish we focused more on the Josh's. No, I'm not going to say we. I wish I focused more on the Josh's and less on the other people, but that means a lot. More than you'll know and I really do appreciate it. All right. Gage. Hey Ariel, couldn't help but notice that following the new tariff wars that the

Averon ads stopped on the age show but not the crack are the two related. No. That would be funny. Look at that, look at that counter right there baby. Yeah there it is baby. But very astute. Islam's something. Uncle Ariel, is there any-

Islam's something. I have phlegm, I think it's a good joke about the the first fight against Volk. Is there any chance we get a weekly segment with Uncle Chael? Chael was the one who was calling me a thousand times by the way earlier. I love how it was such a secret then you just give it away like instantaneously. No I can't tell you.

Can't tell you. You know Chael by the way. Well he works for ESPN at the moment, but I would love, there was a time where I was like, let's do a weekly segment with DC, with Chael, with DJ, with Rampage, with Juliana. Now no one likes me. Now someone's gonna do an 85 minute video about how no one likes me.

Ja, hola Ariel, recently watched the Major Wrestling Figure podcast. Shout out to friend of the show, Matt Cardona. He reviews Hasbro wrestling figures. Boom, Dusty. And it got me thinking, what was the history of a young Hiawani relation to wrestling figures?

Oh my God. I had every single LJN. I had the ring. I broke the ring. I taped the ring, I would make matches, I would line up the guys and I would have a whole card. I then got my dad's camp quarter and would film the card and I would do the commentary. I would sit there, my parents would tell me like, I would sit there, I remember it, for hours, legs crossed, ring right here, and I would do the whole thing. From the entrances to the commentary to a full match,

oh my god, I can't believe it, he went to the top. Like I would talk like that, Gorilla Monsoon, Bobby Heenan, I was obsessed. Did you do the crowd sounds? Oh my god, it's unbelievable, Brutus the barber, beefcake. Somebody's gotta dig those tips out. Oh my God, and then my mom got rid of all of them.

But, oh man, I loved it. I would have my friends come over. I remember I had one friend who I didn't really like. He came over, he wanted to play with my toys at my ring, and I told him that I remember this, like it was yesterday, I remember feeling a little guilty, but I had to do it. I told him if he touched the ring it was yesterday. I remember feeling a little guilty, but I had to do it I told him if he touched the ring he would get electrocuted

From that's calling a little guilty to threatening. No, I said don't do it cuz you're gonna get electrocuted I thought you were like threatening him. No, no, no, I'm saying like no no no I'm doing this like I'm helping you out I'm helping you out, bro. Don't do it Then see not like why aren't you getting electrocuted you know? No, I just kept it off to the side. I didn't want to play with it because I didn't want to have him touch it. I didn't want his dirty paws on it. You know what I mean? This poor kid is probably gone through his entire goal of life. Why were they selling that toy that electrocutes people?

Everybody had a friend who like, Invited them to their house to watch them play computer games, alright? Like everyone had one of them. I know, I wasn't playing in front of them I was the best kids used to line up my door fuck those good fuck those kids Frank was that kid for sure hey guys earlier we had someone reference Avron and the ad reads and whatnot we are rapidly approaching and I can't tell you that an offer has been made for mid-may I don't want to put out the date yet we have offered Sean Brady to come to the studio.

A contract has been given. Yes. It's like an order. We say sign the contract. I am in negotiations. I have even offered a car service to bring him from Philly to New York City. From his house. Yes, door to door. There is no reason to back out at this point. Black car service, brand new Escalade. I could tell you right now, it has been 48 hours

since the official paperwork has been extended and we are awaiting any type of word. Yay, yay. No response at all. The response I got was, thank you, we'll be in touch. Okay, so he at least acknowledged that he received it. I don't know if it was him or his representatives. Okay. But people know there's a date, there's an offer,

and what we want is in mid-May, we want the big one. Everyone's talking about Aspenal Jones. This is gonna happen. Can you guarantee this can happen? No, I can't because he hasn't given me a reply. How can I guarantee? I'm trying to get you to be the Dana White here. No, I can't because he hasn't given me a reply. How can I guarantee? Well, I'm trying to get you to be the Dana White here. No, I don't do that. I don't, I don't, I don't lie to my public.

All right. I don't put on a front. I can't do that. I don't want, I don't want someone to clip this off. If it doesn't happen and say, ah, you lied. So I'm sorry. Is there a chance that GC would move on? Well, that's an answer.

Sean Brady won't take. Only for him. I mean, what, what is there to move on to? This is the upper echelon. This is the the top tier. Well here's the thing. That's the big money fight. Maybe Jolton Almeida? No no no. That's the big money fight just like Ryan Garcia versus Devin Haney is the big money fight. But sometimes the big money fight doesn't come together and sometimes you have to take a tune-up fight in order to get to the big money fight. Now if you take the tune-up fight. We've done the tune-ups. No no no. If you do the tune-ups, sometimes in the fight game you have to take a tune-up fight in order to get to the big money fight now if you take the tune-up fight no no if you do the tune-ups sometimes in the fight game you have to go back and you have to run it back just

like Rolly Romero and Ryan Garcia used to spar back in the day you used to spar with New York Rick I say tune-up fight today let's see if you're still if you're still on your P's and Q's my to this point my whole career has been tune-ups Rick Jordan it's just all been tune-ups let's see if you're on your P's and Q's. To this point, my whole career has been tune-ups. Rick, Jordan, Ade, it's just all been tune-ups. Let's see if you're on your P's and Q's. It's actually very boxing-esque. I'm just undefeated and just continue to win. Rick has quietly said that he wasn't in his finest form.

He is now, he's been practicing for this. He asked me, come on, man. He looks a little more svelte. Yeah. He looks a little more svelte. I know it's this week, he has been glowing this week. Yeah, it's a new haircut and a new camera. I've been putting a little more svelte. Yeah He's been glowing this week. Yes I've been I've been putting a little bit of work in I've been I've been eating right and exercising. Let's call it what it is Beginning I wasn't so much. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna hop on that bike

I'm gonna give it a really good effort. Okay, I'm gonna give it a really good effort In fact, I'm gonna try and like, you know how you can race against yourself. I'm gonna race against myself I'm gonna try and put it my best score. I'm going to see if I can blow my first one out of the water. And then GC is going to come in and do his thing. Look, no expectations. I'm trying. I'm going to try here.

And we're going to see how it goes. Are we doing 60 seconds? Yeah, we'll do 60. I love it. I love it. How do you feel about that? Throw back a little 60. I actually think that GC is right for the take.

You know why? I feel his motivation is very, I think he's 60. Oh, I'm glad know why I feel his motivation is very well. I'm glad you feel that way. I don't I'm glad It's what look at the body line. I'm motivated to be into it to win these races Look at the body language. You'll see me into when Sean Brady makes his way from filled. All right. Well look you know what enough talking I'm gonna put up a number Puts up like a 28.5. In the meantime, by the way, there is a question here for you GC

from Left Like Cemetery. Any update on the housing situation and the impending lawfare be waged against you? When will your sure to be bestselling tell all drop? We paid for the whole seat, but we are only using the edge.. I'm stoked for Nola fight fees What do you got? Shout out to Nola fight feast. That's gonna be great. Yes. Still no update The bank is currently investigating for fraud right now

I mean any legal affair would be me taking action not them. It's really over not even a large sum of money So it's it's getting quite ridiculous I've kind of forgotten about it at this point waiting to hear back from the bank you guys will know you guys will be the first to know I'll let the audience know before I even let the apartment know by the way Mason also asks with the arrival of the Lorde hot sauce why not add it to the fight feast a New Orleans fight feast with gumbo and diamond hot sauce Popeyes what do you say yeah me and Frank actually did gumbo last year and we brought our own Dustin Poirier hot sauce Appreciate you watching. Thanks so much. The support is really great

But yeah, we will do something for New Orleans. All right any update on mr. New York Rick. He's out there Oh, he's out there. Okay. Is he is he getting is he getting oh, he's okay He's doing this now. Yeah, he's looking at the history. He's looking at the now PT. Oh, this is a this is a surprise unsanctioned rematch like an old-school episode of Monday Night Raw this whole time and and Frank doesn't even have me up I'm talking about How it's it's very comforting to know that GC is so concerned about the number. I'm about to put up He's talking about the banking details. I was trying to kill some time. Gumbo. Gumbo. By the way, the Porya hot sauce on a fight feast in NOLA isn't a bad idea.

Maybe we can talk to them, partner with them, do something fun. That could actually be pretty good. Before you jump on there, talk to me. There is a question here from Willie. Talk to me. Who says when is Jordan facing off against Rick in the Averon challenge? Can we get a DC breakdown of their matchup? Maybe that's the matchup that we need to do. Yeah, look, if Jordan wants the smoke, like he can get it. I'm not in that competitive mindset right now if I'm being honest. Like I'm kind of just so comfortable. Like you know how you you talk about the the silk sheets like I go to bed

Every night in silk sheets, so I don't really like Doing right now. We just bark it biking through sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I was I was just getting this in because I was this was teed Up as like here. We have something for you. All right, let me let me actually get into this. Okay, but What are you aiming for? I'm just what I'm really aiming for I'll tell you truly I'm just trying to crack my first score and like really like put up a good one. I'm not aiming for like a specific number. Maybe in like, I think I did like maybe 16.

Oh no, wait, what did I do here? 19, I did 19 before I got smoked by GC. So I'm trying to do- That's miles per hour. What's GC is like 20 something, right? GC is like 20 something. That 27 right there is me. What was the one that you did against Ade, Gc?

All right, this is what I'm gonna do. Oh no. I think that was the 27, because Ade came like 23 or something. Yeah, Ade went hard. It was like a 25. This lightning lap, how do I race against it? In the meantime, there's a question from a young man here

who says, hypothetically, if I was in Times Square and Wanted to attend this boxing event. How the hell do I attend it? I don't know man I just say I just say we're just rock other tickets available. What's no no there are no tickets All right, Rick your og performance this is from the people at ever on your living performance was 11.9 All right, let's see if I can crack this yeah Just start a new one and see if you can beat the 11.9. Alright, we'll do it. We'll do it. Competition.

Let's go, Rick. Come on, get yourself in the right frame of mind. Yeah, alright, hold on. Let me shake out a little bit. I'm going straight off the couch. I have not stood up in like three hours. Yeah, shake it out, Eric. That's really gonna make a big difference.

Oh, you know what? Nice chirping from you, Jordan. Jordan, you get on the fight, Jordan. How about you get on it? Four, three, show them the glow, show them the glow babe. Here we go. Yeah. Oh yeah push. I feel good about this pace. We're out. Feel good about this pace right now. What are we at uh resistance? We're on 80, we're on 80 right now. Okay I like this. Why so high? Because you want to get, while you still have some energy, you really want to get it like going, you know?

This is a nice little number from Rick. What's the clock at? Is it bottom left there? 17, 18, 19? Nah, it's a... We're creeping down a little bit. Where's the clock? Oh, it's top right, right? What's the clock say, Rick? 25 left. 25 left? Alright, here we go.

Yeah, this is good. Look, he's putting in the work. The number we're looking at is in the speedometer there, right? GC like 17. No, the one top left. That's the number we're looking at. He's putting up a decent number right here. How much left? How much left? 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1. That's a fucking great effort.

That's not bad. That's a great number. I'll take it. This is going to take a bit of effort from me. I love that. Kick a boo. GC, what's your record? What's your record?

Mine's like 27 points on mine. I'm going to go hard. I can still beat you. That's a tremendous job there by New York Rick. Electrifying to be honest with you. Another one from from oh oh oh oh oh oh wait a second wait a second wait a second well I just gotta wait a second I just got a text from from Sean Bray, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He has been summoned. Okay. What do we got?

I'm working through it. I'm working through it at the moment as a- I'm hearing we got a text from Sean Brady. I mean, there's things happening here. I don't know. In the meantime, you're gonna get set up. What's the number there, 21? I think 21.3.

21, that's what Rick just got. That's what he got. All right, am I good to go? I'm just keeping an eye on you the whole time. Wait, let us know when you're starting. Okay, are you doing it right now? No, I'm asking you if I'm good to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right, here we go. Can you go? Come on GC. Let's beat that 27 mate. Or maybe you want to calm down a bit there, you know. Now there's no chance I'm beating 27. Interesting tactic from GC off the jump. He stands up.

Oh yeah, you gotta do it. Get the legs loose. Kind of like watching Jordan, isn't it? Can I be completely honest? Yeah. I mean, I'm still just rooting for my guy, GC. I want him to beat my score and then I want him to beat Sean Brady. Listen, and by the way, G-C-E, Sean Brady watching as we speak. If there's anything you want to say to him in the midst of this electrifying performance, feel free. I'm focused right now. Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.

What do we have timewise over there? What do we have timewise? 15. 15 left? Yeah, Rick might beat me Yo, no, no, no Rick. He's got it. This is this is this is Ryan Garcia losing You got it. Let's go. Gee. Let's go, baby. What are we at? Time was you got it? But I got it four three. I got him. I got it. Let's go one. Yo, it's a tie No, it is. No. No. It says 21. He's got 22. Good job GC, good job.

I mean it came out slow out of the gate there. A real scare. This is akin to Ryan just kind of having a ho-hum performance. This is me getting wobbled in the 9th. Wow. This is even on the scorecards going into the 10th round. Is this a classic case of maybe you were looking past the tune-up fight, thinking about the next one? This is Tyson Fury, Francis Ngannou,

with the Usyk fight, waiting in the wings. You were kind of downplaying it. Were you not? I think so. I think so, Rick's really been on the bike. Wow. I've been in better shape. I've been in better shape.

But you know what? All right. Good match. Stay undefeated. Proud of you, GC. Sean, we'll have the car ready for you next month. What's Brady saying? Hmm.

Okay, I don't know. I mean. All of a sudden the text messages stopped, did they? No, no, they didn't stop. No, no, they stopped. I mean, we know. We know. I'm just going to call him up right now.

I'm just going to. I mean. Oh, here we go. I don't need to put. Let's see. Let's see. I might go 0 for 2 today. Are we going to hear some quacking? Wait. I don't know.

Hey Sean, we're live on the show right now and I don't want to text while I think you know that we're live. I don't know, the guys are saying you're coming up with a lot of excuses. You're talking June now, like there's a lot of concern. We went through the proper channels. We sent an official offer to your representative. It's very disappointing I had to find out this way. of concern. We went through the proper channels. We sent an official offer to your representative. It's very disappointing I had to find out this way. I'm in my kitchen doing dishes before training with my wife and my child and I hear snack talk happening about my favorite show and then I find

out that an offer has been made and it hasn't been made to me personally. I don't want to get in between you guys but... This is unreal. But no, let's shoot for early June. How about that? Because I have to go to Canada next week and I'll be there for like three or four days. So I'll come home, I'll recuperate, hang out with the fam and then we have a new art what early was that the first week of June? Yep. I'll be there. Yep. So we could plan something

around then. Okay all right and just let you know we have offered first class car service. I mean we're rolling out the red carpet for you here. We're really trying to give you no excuses not to show up but there does seem to be There's there seems to be some hesitation people are feeling hesitation Oh, he just barely he just literally barely beat him You're about to see. Uh, okay. Let me, uh, let me fast forward, let me fast forward it real quick. Oh yeah, it was akin to like Tyson Fury looking past Francis and Ghanu and maybe not giving the opponent the proper respect, you know? I was six minutes behind. I mean, I'm watching you talk to me right now. This is crazy. So wait, GC barely made it through Rick. So he barely made it through the warm up.

Yeah, yeah. But I kind of sprung it upon do this. This will give him a month to get prepared. Okay, all right, GC, you good with that? Yeah, I mean, I've been waiting for how long at this point? I mean, we just keep waiting and waiting and waiting. Okay, he's just saying, he's going on and on. He's saying he's ready, we're all ready. I mean, the offer is out there. If you're saying two weeks later, it's fine for us.

We'll make it happen. The Wednesday before Newark? Can we put that we'll make it happen the Wednesday before Newark can we put that on the table okay Wednesday before Newark he wants okay he's actually he's actually going a little bit further he's saying the Wednesday before the Newark show can you confirm that you are available to come here the Wednesday before Newark show to step up to the plate. June 4th. Okay 99. All right that's something. You talk to representatives. That on my chest. Okay all right. All right. We look forward to it. Thank you Sean. Take care. There is the great Sean Brady One of the top contenders at 170 watching us while he's doing his dishes

All right, so there you have it our June 4th or June 9th the Monday after the Wednesday before okay The reason why I said the 14th by the way was because I felt like all right Bilal wins Like it's very you know, there's there's a story there Sean, of course has an excuse every time though Can't make it to Newark. That's what will be next. I know, but look, let's just take a step back for a second. There's something happening. We're closer.

We're closer. You know, unlike Tom Aspinall and John Jones, which seemingly has never enough data and everybody's just moaning and whining and wondering what the hell's going on, we're now zeroing in on a date. We're getting closer to this date. Early June it looks like.

And yeah, my boy GC, I'll get it done. Just a couple more. This is a great shot from Kevin from Ottawa saying that my Piss or Fact story was my version of I was in the pool, I was in the pool. That's a Seinfeld episode with George taking his trunks off after being in the pool. I don't know, but yeah, that is, that is a great one.

Shut up, his are facts. Yeah, boy, Lansy is back. Shalom, Ariel, congrats on seeing through your invitation to announce the draft pick. Laminate that damn card. The raucous scenes made me think though, if only the GFL had a draft in Green Bay. That's a good point.

Yes. Peter the G asks top three wrestling promos of all time. Well Stone Cold definitely had one. The CM Punk pipe bomb another one. Golly. Putting me on the spot here. Dusty Roads, Hard Times, how about that? And one last one.

Now you're really curating this one, huh? Oh, you're just sitting there. Your mom goes to college, age, first off, can we give some love to PT and the crack? The interview with Paul Hughes was brilliant and different. I'd love to see him interview Ian Gary and perhaps get to show the real side of Ian.

My question this week relates to Buckley's comments in any other major sport that has met with a suspension It ain't happening. Wait, what do you want? How many times could we go over this? What what it though? No suspended for what I don't agree. I mean A hell of a lot of people said a bunch of different, you know Like way worse stuff than whatever he was. I mean all he's doing is doing the the stuff, you know He's taking some low-hanging fruit, but I don't think that was like no any other sporty suspended now uh... but he's interview is fantastic shot at the jordan on the edit shaggy everybody who helped get that done and and out the door

any super chats frank damn right there are. Yeah. Ha. Surgents. Thank you. Mo M wants to know how, mm-hmm, how do you view the trade-off between working hard, having fun, and spending time with family in your 20s? Ariel, do you have any regrets? Wow.

Boys in the back, thoughts? That is a deep one. You know what's crazy? I was actually thinking about this recently. I was thinking about people who say I don't have any regrets, and I was thinking of the fact that I'm not one of those people,

and I almost feel like it's not, I don't know. I don't think you're being truthful if you say you don't have any regrets. You could probably say like, oh, I wouldn't do it any different. That's fine. Or I'm happy how it all played out. That's fine.

But if I'm being honest with everyone, yes, I do have regrets. I have regrets. My early 20s, I took... So when you say this, you say this with the benefit of hindsight. And so knowing how the story plays out, I wish I didn't, I wish I wasn't as, for lack of a better word, serious when I was in Syracuse because I really like closed off the whole world. Now I was dealing with a lot mentally, I was homesick. I didn't allow myself to have the true

fun college experience. However, perhaps if I do that, I don't end up where I end up. I don't know. There have definitely been times where I felt like, man, I should have, you know, or I wished I didn't do this or that. When I was in ninth grade and we took a trip, a class trip, I didn't, I remember like not going on some of the activities and this was a big deal.

I sat on the bus because I didn't want to do... I think about these things. I'm like, man, I should have done that. Why didn't you do that? You have to live, you know, you have to only live life once. You have to, with that mentality, go out there and do things. Don't let, you know, don't let anxiety, don't let your fears, don't let any sort of, you know, trepidation hold you back.

And honestly, like throughout life, throughout my professional life, there's obviously things that I think back on and say like, you know, maybe I shouldn't have been this hard-headed or maybe I shouldn't have been this emotional. And I'm honestly learning those lessons every single day now too. So I'm sure when I'm, God willing, 55, I'll look back on 42 and say, you know, I wish I didn't do this, I wish I didn't do that, I wish I didn't say this, I wish I didn't say that. But ultimately, like a lot of those people, I do look back and say I'm happy how it all has played out,

at least for now, and I'm proud of how it all has played out. But of course, if I could have some do-overs, I'd love to have some do-overs, for sure. And as far as your 20s are concerned, I feel like the 20s are, all right, the 30s are when you build your house. The 40s, in my opinion, speaking as a relatively young 40, early 40s,

you get to sort of like live in that house and expand on what you built. The 20s are where you're laying the foundation. The 20s are like, these are the, you'll meet a lot of important people in your 20s, you'll meet a lot of important people in your 30s. The 20s are post-college, you get to find out. But guess what?

The decisions that you make in your 20s very well may not affect you in your 40s. And sometimes younger people have to know this. 21, 22, it's okay to try out different things. It's okay to fail, it's okay to take risks. It's okay to shoot for the stars and then go in a different directions. Like that's actually the time when you should do it

because you don't have probably a family or kids or things like that holding you back. And I don't say holding you back, but you have to make calculated decisions when you're older and are looking after other people. You could be a little bit more selfish. And you can zig and zag. So, you know, everyone has their own path. I always felt like college, I gotta be serious.

I have a goal, I was very goal oriented. I was a dream big guy. I wasn't a party guy. I wasn't a like, let's just have fun guy and worry about the rest. And the main thing was my anxiety. The anxiety that I had was my engine. That's what fueled me.

I didn't wanna fail. I didn't wanna slip up. I didn't wanna embarrass myself. I didn't want all my attention and I didn't want to embarrass myself. I didn't want all my, my, my attention and, and my hard work to go for not that may not be your mentality or, or may not be your path. But, um, yeah, that's why when I would go on trips, I wouldn't gamble or I wouldn't drink

or I wouldn't party and things like, like that. Because I wanted to be very, very, very focused. And then maybe at some point I'll be 50 and be like, I wish I used up a little bit. But I don't know. As somebody, I wish I eased up a little bit. But as somebody, so I am that person. I do not live with regrets. I have zero regrets in my entire life. Never have, never will. Because by nature, they're looking backwards. I don't need to look backwards. Like it serves, it doesn't serve me to look backwards. I'm only in the present or looking

forward because I cannot change those things. They got me to this point, you know, to the point that you were making about, they get you to this point. I would ask you like if you did not do those things, would you be here? You know, there's no guarantee that if you were doing those other things, you don't take your eye off the ball or you do rather, you do take your eye off the ball and you're not in this position that you're in today. I think the last part that you touched on is like the most important which is most of these decisions especially in your 20s are not life or death. They are not life or death decisions and Make your decision and live with it make make your decision feel firm

Make the choice that you feel is right and stand on it and proceed forward and then that's the best way to go about it And again, these are my flaws. I'm a lamenter, I'm a guy, I like to make decisions and move on, but I will overthink things. The FOMO, the feeling like you made the wrong call. Yes, I will be honest. I know it's not cool to say that. I know it's not great to say that, but that is me. And I overthink things, I get in my head.

We all do that, we all do that. I mean, I guess not all of us, but I know a lot of other people are like that as well. And there's little things, like I'm learning as my kids are getting older and there's decisions that have to be made. I want to teach them to make a decision and to go with it and to not look back. I keep talking about that Lex Luger line because it really did resonate with me. But also these things all affect other things right? You have these experiences and now you're trying to do something different for your kids. If you

do that differently then maybe you don't have that feeling, maybe you aren't that way and then you don't pass it on to your kids. This is all, it's all going to manifest in some way down the line which is why I'm this way. I'm looking straight ahead and just trying to push. But in the same way that you're trying, we all learn. We all have to adapt.

We all have to, you know, like, we all have to make our way through this, but there are no life or death decisions in that 20 unless there's truly a life or death decision. Go with your gut, chase it, and do what you love. I love the on-the-nose questions. I love the super chats. One thing that I'm really loving are the voicemails

that you guys get on Thursdays on the boys in the back. What's that number? There it is. 415-BITB-415-787-2482. Leave a message and you can get featured on the show tomorrow. Shawn Brady, leave us a message when you're ready. Or that, yeah. Leave us a message about how you're gonna push it to July.

Yeah, I'll come up for Independence Day we'll watch fireworks after oh yeah for sure man next it'll be I'll be there for the Abu Dhabi pay-per-view I'll be there after I win the belt what do we got as far as pound-for-pound pound-for-pound because of the Times Square card yeah how for pound tourist traps in New York or Nah, just in general. Bantamweight, winner this past weekend. Georgia's own, Malcolm Wellmaker. Oh yeah.

Big knockout victory against Cameron Simon over the weekend. We'll be joining the program. Wow. Very much looking forward to that. The guy's the absolute man. No longer working. No longer working, quit his job.

Said if he got the 50K bonus, he'd quit. We'll get to talk to him about that. And then Rick's got a hot take about Jones Aspen all day that he's been dying to get off all week. I just wanna talk a little bit about Jones Aspen. You'll see Des Moines preview, Times Square cards preview. And then the boys are off to Des Moines.

And then we're up in the skies to the cornfields of Des Moines. Yeah, can't wait. Can't wait. What a time. All right, we're looking forward to that. Crack on Friday, you'll take us home. Can't wait. What a time. All right. We're looking forward to that crack on Friday. You'll take us home.

You'll be the pre-show. You'll be the pre-show for Times Square. And Mendenhall is going to Times Square and he's doing the crack before he leaves for Times Square. Oh, I love it. He should set the table very well. We have the Ben and Chuck back this week. They haven't been around for a couple of weeks, obviously with the Paul Hughes interview,

a few Irish MMA stories we explored. so looking forward to having the lads back and we will preview it all for you on Friday. I love it, love it guys, great stuff appreciate you all very much it is time to go I have a birthday party to attend every party needs a pooper that's why we invited you you know that song Frank? Absolutely I wrote that song. By the way, when when good one when Rampage was like kind of you know taking shots you were nowhere to be found like literally nowhere to be found. What do you mean? Frank this Frank that you're almost like joining forces with him. I responded to him. I know, but it wasn't. It wasn't your finest hour.

My only regret for my 26, you're asking, is I didn't go to Coachella in 2012 and I missed out on the holographic Tupac. Oh, that is a big regret. What's that 2012? Been that long, 13 years? Damn. It's been a while. I am riddled with regret.

Okay. Yeah, I mean, we could have probably done an hour. Give us your top one. No, no, no, no. What are you talking about? No, no, no. You're riddled. You actually don't come across as a person who is real.

I'm good at faking it. Okay. I'm good at faking it. Oh yeah, when you get those silent moments you're sitting there, you're like, God damn. Why? Can I get into an elevator? Why? We gotta gotta do a retreat or something I gotta teach you guys about appreciating what you got We do that shit. We gotta do something What about what about PC just completely checking out over there? I mean like yes, that's a man

Thinking about his regrets right now. No none zero God we're talking about you. I'm gonna be on my deathbed. They're gonna be like What regrets do you have? I'm gonna be like Frank. How many- how much time do we got? They're gonna be like, I have like six minutes You're going. I'm gonna be like, oh fuck, alright. Write these down.

So cold. Rampage. Eddie Hall. Patrice Evra. Thanks to them. Thanks to you. Thanks to them as well! Back to Bossy Time with Lucifer. Peace. I'm out of here.