The Ariel Helwani Show - UFC 316 mega preview, Jordan Leavitt joins the show, Fight Feasts, voicemails, more | The Boys in the Back

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

The Boys in the Back start the show with quick mention of Vasiliy Lomachenko's retirement, before diving into their UFC 316 mega preview, including the main event (3:16), co-main event (29:31), and other action on the card (53:48).Then, they're joined by Jordan Leavitt for a thoughtful and fascinating conversation about his life and career (1:04:08).After debuting a brand new Fight Feasts (1:46:13), focused on Venezuelan food, the Boys give their P4P lists of jerseys (1:59:33), listen to your voicemails (2:16:56) and answer Super Chats (2:45:48). 

Buh buh buh buh buh boys in the back. Buh buh buh buh boys, boys, boys, boys. What is good? We are back with another episode of The Boys in the Back on this UFC 316 Fight Week. I am very excited to be here as I forget to turn off my speakers like I do every week. The classic Connor Burks audio, like I do every week.

He said my name, I am Connor Burks. One third of the boys in the back joined alongside my man. The man, the legend. I'm going wide. I'm going wide today because I feel good. I feel good. You own your space. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The UFC is just across the river over in Newark, New Jersey, baby, Brick City. I'm feeling good, man. I'm excited for this card. Same. Once I dove a little bit deeper into it, was really like man there's some consequential fights on this one. Like I agree with you there's some fights underneath the top two that I love but I absolutely adore the top two like they are as good as they go. We'll get in to that in just a moment we'll have Jordan Levitt who's coming

off a big win over Kurt Holliba this past weekend on UFC Apex 107. The Monkey King himself. The Monkey King himself. One of the most eccentric guys in the UFC. I'm really excited to talk to him. We've had this, we were talking before the show, we've had this great string of like really fun guests, guys that I feel like they are boys in the back now.

Who's coming off a big win over Kurt Holliba. So I'm excited to have him on, to be able to talk to him. And then we will do pound for pound rankings, best jerseys, we have fight feast Venezuelan food, and then we'll do our bets, voicemails, super chats. I mean, it is a stacked show. I'm very excited for this weekend, and I am very excited for this program.

Before we get into that though, I did wanna give one shout out to our guy, Ovin, the man who creates all of our thumbnails. We always kind of throw some crazy ones at him this week. In Newark, New Jersey, we were like, what can we do? Can we do a Sopranos theme? Can we do a Jersey Shore theme? We ultimately, because we both love the television show,

we decided on the Sopranos, and I mean, he absolutely killed it. I look decent, you, this is you in 15 years. Paulie Walnuts, this is you. Ricky Walnuts, I saw the chat, like when the chat logs on before every show, they're kind of doing like, hey, how are yous to the other chat members?

They're all loving the thumbnail. So shout out to Ovin. Shout out to Ovin. Absolutely destroyed it. Kills it every week. We come up with these weird wacky ideas and he doesn't really ask any questions. He's just like, sounds good, got it man.

Before I even finished I was like, does that all make sense? He's like, I got you bro, don't worry about it. Yeah, absolutely kill this. Let me give one more shout out. Let's do it man. Because I've been forgetting to do this for a few weeks now. I wanna give a shout out to Bill Steinmetz, long time fan of the show.

The man. Mensch of all mensches. Jordan, on Air Jordan has been known to say that somebody's the nicest person in the world when they are in fact just a nice person somebody's the nicest person in the world when they are in fact just a nice person and not the nicest person in the world. Bill Steinmetz certified the nicest person in the world, always been kind to the show,

always been kind to me and my family. Shout out to Bill Steinmetz. Mensch gets thrown around as well. Number one Mensch. He is like the definition, textbook, Webster's dictionary. We saw him in Vegas last time we were there. He gave us some patches. Las Vegas police officer.

Legend, absolute legend. Thank you, Bill. You're the best. Warm that shout out counter up. We're getting that thing going today, baby. We're heating that thing up. All right, UFC 316, like we said, takes place right across the river in Newark, New Jersey. The sixth borough, as I like to call it.

I think everyone here in New York can agree. The unofficial sixth borough of Newark, New Jersey. The sixth borough, as I like to call it. I think everyone here in New York can agree. The unofficial sixth borough of Newark, New Jersey. Yes. No pushback there. No. We're all loving it. I love it. Newark, New Jersey, the sixth borough.

I'm disgusted at the moment. Main event, Marat Deval is really taking on Shawn O'Malley. One thing, before we go to that. Okay. There was some news this morning. Oh, yes.

That I think is important to touch on. Good call. Vasily Lomachenko. Yes. Legend of boxing. Ret call. Vasily Lomachenko, legend of boxing. One of the guys that as I was, like I've been, there's been various points where I've been up and down with boxing. Like I've been more in at times

and then I've kind of come out and then I've kind of jumped in and out. But he's always been somebody that like captured the imagination in an incredible way. He was on such an incredible streak. And he's just somebody who, regardless of like what the rest of the boxing landscape looked like, he was a must watch type of fighter.

He was the guy that kind of carried the torch for smaller weight classes and was somebody who put on an exciting performance every time out. It's not the, you know, huge knockout power, but it was just how skilled technically he was, the footwork, the angles, everything he did. And then the outside the ring stuff where you see his training, he was just this very unique character in the boxing space. And I feel like he's kind of like in recent years because of the inactivity,

right? He's had a few high level matchups, but now it's been fewer fewer and further between It's felt like he's kind of been on the back burner But man in his in his prime Vasily Lomachenko was like untouchable and that man entered the matrix Yeah, there was there was nothing like it. I actually thought he beat Devin Haney And that fight a few years ago was it was it was close It was a fantastic performance at his age against an undefeated guy in Devin Haney. Yeah, he will be missed. 37 years old, feel like it's a right time to hang him up, but he will be missed. It's one of those things, like we see Pacquiao coming out of retirement right now,

like could Lomachenko fight for a few more years? I certainly think he could, as you said, like he's in fights with the cream of the crop, the young generation in Devin Haney, Tiafema Lopez, guys like that, and still hanging to the point that people like you are thinking, okay, he might have actually edged that fight and I don't think that's a controversial take at all. Could he continue to fight? Probably. He's such a high level boxer. I think he could continue to fight, but he's one of those guys that his greatness was the thing that made him special. It was

the fact that he was so much better than everybody, the way he looked when he was in the ring. For him to call it a career now, he doesn so much better than everybody, the way he looked when he was in the ring. For him to call it a career now, he doesn't need to do that. His career is set. Everybody knows what a legend this guy was. The amateur career was one of the most remarkable we've seen, and so, shout out to Vasily Lomachenko. One of my favorites to watch, for sure.

On Air Jordan was giving me a stat before we went on On Air here. Pardon the pun there, On Air. How many amateur fights did you say, Jordan? Like nearly 300, I think. 397 is what I've been saying. Oh 400, holy shit, yeah. Here's the graphic.

396 and one? Yeah. Well it's so crazy in amateur boxing. 396 and one, 19 KOs. Yeah, well amateur boxing, but also lighter weight classes. Like he's not a big hitter, he's not a heavyweight, but yeah, the man, like, and there was a while where that professional record was Sterling.

What did have those three losses? And he was just looked at as this God of boxing. I believe that he is worthy of the accolades that he has received and the praise that he has received over the years. And as I said, like paired that with being extremely exciting in a weight class where it's not like huge knockout power.

Shout out to Viscili Lomachenko. Shout out to him, man. While we're doing news and notes, a very quick brief one. Yesterday we found out that our man, speaking of phone interviews, Malcolm Wellmaker will be returning to the octagon next week against Chris Matinio on UFC Atlanta. How about Chris?

Any, ever get an easy fight, Chris? Never. Just game as they come. And it's like, yes, get in here with a, with a super powerful killer. And, and obviously we know he made his debut against Sean O'Malley in that crazy one where he, where he got pieced up like 300, 400 times.

I mean, and Malcolm Wellmaker, he's been calling for this fight for, since his last fight. So you have to think that- Atlanta. He's been calling for Atlanta. He's been calling for to for, since his last fight. So you have to think that- Atlanta. He's been calling for Atlanta. He's been calling for to be on the UFC Atlanta card. So you have to think that Chris Mutino was probably not the first option. I would imagine that some people said no

to accepting a fight with Malcolm Wellmaker on. Chris ain't gonna say no, you know that. On a month notice. He's getting an opportunity, man. He's back. I wanna say he's on like a decent winning streak outside of the UFC. I feel like he's had some success.

One, two, three, four, five. Five in a row for Matinho. Shout out. You wanna stamp yourself into the UFC, get a win over the undefeated Malcolm Wellmaker who's as hot as they come right now in the band of my division. It's the debut and the coming back thing for me.

Like debut against Sean O'Malley. Comes back. Drop it, come back. Oh, Malcolm Wellmaker. Another undefeated guy. Here you go, man. Enjoy. And the fact that it's happening in nine days.

Yes. I mean, Muccino. He's tough as they come. I'll be there. I'll be in the building for it. I can't wait for that one. Very excited to see what the walkout song is. He teased it on this program.

He's gonna customize it for Atlanta. What did we ultimately end up with? What did he say he was gonna go? I started mentioning like 2016 Young Thug and Future and he was like, all right, chill, chill, chill. That's gonna be the one. Okay, okay, okay. We'll see what it ultimately is.

Does he shout out the boys in the back when he walks out? Nah, no shout out. We'll be there. I will be loud and proud cheering on. That was a who the fuck is we, Frank. That was an opportunity for one of those because I will not be there, but I will be cheering from afar.

You guys have much better things to do, I understand. No, Atlanta's beautiful. I'd love to go, but I got things to do. All right, UFC316. Who the fuck is we? All right. Whoa, that was super low. It was also super late.

Frank is having some technical difficulties. We said in the Slack, he had to do some things, don't hit him up, and first thing Rick does, hits him up. Wait, it says that? I'm looking at the slide. Yeah, Frank restarting the computer. Oh, it does say that. Okay, sorry.

Okay, all right. Who the fuck is we? For the third time now, no more box. No, no more, no more, no. UFC 360. Yes. Pay-per-view in Newark, New Jersey this weekend, headlined by Murad Diwala Shwili, the champion now, taking on Sugashon O'Malley, the challenger,

the reverse of what we saw at the Sphere in September of last year. 48-47 on two judges' scorecards, I had it 49-46. Like, thought you could even make an argument for a 50-45. I know O'Malley hurt him with the teeps in the fifth round. I did not have it as a close fight, I'll say that. No, especially rounds two and four were just insanely dominant for Murad Diwaleh Shvili. I felt like he clearly won the fight. I would have scored that as a close fight, I'll say that. Especially rounds two and four were just insanely dominant for Murab de Balashvili.

I felt like he clearly won the fight. I would have scored that as a robbery had they somehow given it to Sean O'Malley. I thought it was clearly a one-sided fight for Murab de Balashvili. So how we got here, Murab took on Umar in January. He was able to defend his belt, give Umar, Umar Namaka--Medov his first loss of his career.

Sean O'Malley came out after the fight, said he had a torn labrum, happened about 10 weeks before the fight, had to get surgery afterward. He's done that. He now says he's healthy. He's given up social media. He's given up Jay and the Pee. He's given up smoking. He says he has completely taken everything, all the distractions in his life away. He has got- Plus by the way, had a kid. Had a kid. Stopped dying his hair.

We're not getting the rainbow. Yes. What did you think of that? Did you like that or not like that? I like it. I like it, man. I like it too. I think it goes really well with this whole like,

I'm healthy now. Yes. Giving up social media. All the distractions are out of my life. Yeah, look at it. We're going pink shorts. Shout out, which is sick. No colored hair.

Feels like he's locked in, man. He's here for business. Feels like this is a business trip for Sean O'Malley. So we say all that to say, how does this fight go differently than the first one for Sean O'Malley? So I've been thinking about this fight a lot because I've long been on record.

And by the way, every time I do this, this every time I go how does this guy ever lose they end up losing I'm like Bilal Mohammed versus Jack Dalamadalina how could he lose he's got the path to victory right there turns out later he takes a completely different game plan I do feel that way about Marab to a degree that I don't feel about other people like he is my highest tier maybe Islam maybe he's number two behind Islam in terms of, I just don't know what the vulnerability is for this guy. Stylistically, he's going to be offensively a nightmare for everybody he faces.

And then you have to find a way to make him suffer defensively. I thought Umar did a pretty good job in the first two rounds of at least stifling and neutralizing and being able to get it, but come round three, you can't keep doing it. And he can, right? Come round three, the cardio for him, the offense for him is just going to continue to get off. Now, granted Umar got hurt at some point, like it's, uh, what was his, his hand? What was the injury? He hurt his hand.

I believe so. He posted some pictures afterwards of a swollen hand. And that may have contributed to it, but it happens in every fight. Come round three, that's the turning point where it's like, okay, I've given everything I can and Marab has not given half of what he still got left in the tank and it's, and it's kind of a factor. So it's, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a's the turning point where it's like, okay, I've given everything I can. And Merab has not given half of what he still got left in the tank.

And it's, and it's kind of a factor. So in thinking about that, I'm looking at this fight again and going like, I don't, I just don't see it. I don't know what Sean, what tool Sean O'Malley has that are going to be able to hurt Merab. And then I thought about the fifth round and then I thought about that body shot and it

looked like he was suffering. A few of them. Yeah. And we've seen, and by the way, we've seen Marab hurt before. It's not like Marab can't get hurt. Marab can be hurt. The Marlin Mariahs fight? There's a different referee in there?

It could have been stopped. The whole Bantamweight division looks different. 100%. Like you, in that first round, you could have potentially stopped it. I agree with you fully and we've seen that before. The problem is, if you spend all your time hunting for that, if you spend all your time hunting for that if you spend all your time Hunting for that one shot that's gonna put him down

You're ultimately losing that battle because marab is accumulating and accumulating and accumulating and it's takedown or failed takedown Punch or failed punch and in any capacity he's moving forward and scoring and looking like the aggressive and offensive fighter I I think a game plan that could be effective for Sean O'Malley is, I think his takedown, for one, I think his takedown defense is better than it gets credit for. I don't think his takedown defense is bad. I think it's actually quite good. He's good at using his leverage and he's a very long guy. He can kind of push you down his legs or pull you up and then he's okay in that position. Use the footwork, avoid the takedowns or at least the takedown attempts

and maybe just go to that body. Maybe don't be looking for that headshot. Maybe don't look hunt for that. Go to the body a little bit. And then when that headshot opens up, maybe take that opportunity. But I really think there's a, the path to victory that I see for Sean O'Malley

and he has smarter coaches than me. I'm sure him and Tim Welsh are working on something good is really just punishing Marab in every exchange. Like make sure that every single time he comes in, you make them feel it as a poke. Like, and I'm not talking to has to be the knockout blow, but just really hurt them really try to lay something into the body or lay something into the head that hurts them so that every time he does that the damage is accumulating and accumulating. And then maybe by the end you get them, but I don't, I don every time he does that, the damage is accumulating and accumulating, and then maybe by the end you get him. But I don't like this idea that Sean O'Malley

has to sit down on one punch and knock him out, because we've seen Murab take shots, and I think he can take those. But I think if he can hurt him on every exchange, maybe by the end it can accumulate enough. Well, I agree with you on not having to just sit down on one punch and knock him out, because despite us disagreeing with the judge's scorecards,

he's still, on two of the judges scorecards, one, two rounds. Yeah. So it's not out of the question for him to be able to get one more round on the judges scorecards. That's a great one. Yeah, that's a great point. I am ultimately with you in that, like, I think he needs to be punishing him. I think he needs to be hurting him.

I went back and watched a majority of the fight, especially that fifth round. And like he, Marab was hurt. Like he immediately, He was hurt. He hits the front kick and he immediately covers it up, he hits him with it again, covers up and looks at the clock and it just like kind of like, oh shit man, like I need to get out of here, I need this fight to end

because I am feeling this. So I think if he's able to execute that, doesn't have to be a shot to the body, you know, it could obviously be to the head, you know, a knee, who knows, I think that is the best game plan. I'm not saying he has to finish him, but I do think he has to make his presence known and leave him with lasting shots

that's going to make him think twice before chaining together 50 takedown attempts. Yeah, that's it. I think it's defensively thwarting Marab with strong shots. And ultimately, to your point, he won two of those rounds on judges scorecards. If he accumulates enough of those, if he's able to get a few of them going,

he can probably find a way to win a decision. It's hard. Don't get me wrong. I don't think that's the most likely outcome, because I think Marab is so good at winning decisions. Like, his style is just that relentless pressure that wins him decisions. But if he can punish Marab, I do see the path whereas I previously did not also

There is the argument to make if he truly was affected by that torn labrum He's got surgery now He's a hundred percent healthy going into this one or or as close to a hundred percent as he can be that could make a massive Difference one we've seen times where fighters have said like I I was hurt or it wasn't the best this or that. And I've kind of just like looked out of the side of my eye and been like, everybody's that. It was pretty clear, like the documentation on Shawn O'Mau being less than a hundred percent

heading into that one was pretty clear. Like him and his coaches talking about how little the training was and what the grappling looked like. By the way, the reason I put so much stock into that is because they didn't make excuses about it, right? They were saying like, he was hurt, but we still felt like we were going to win that fight as opposed to like, this is what cost me the fight. I think we will see a better

version of Sean O'Malley. What I wonder though is even if we see a better version of Sean O'Malley, is the game plan much different? Is the strategy much different? Not really. Ultimately, I think he was looking for the knockout more in the first fight than I would expect he will be looking for it in this one. I think he's now seen, hey, I can be in a close fight with this guy, even not at my best and potentially win it. And if I punish him like I did in the fifth round, something will be there come the later rounds, even if it's Marab just

wearing down, even if it's Marab wearing down in round five, I'm not concerned about Sean O'Malley's volume if he's not worrying about stuffing takedowns. He can put up volume too. He can do what Murab does. He needs Murab to let off the gas a little bit and those body shots can make him do it. Yeah, I mean, I'm certain that him and Tim

are gonna come into this fight with a game plan that they're going to feel confident that they can win this one. I mean, as soon as the last fight ended, even while he was recovering from surgery, he's like, all I want is this rematch. And like when he went on Twitter and like, you know, in jest mostly, he's just like,

sugar state athletic commission, I won the fight, blah, blah, blah, but go back and watch it. He has full belief in himself that maybe he didn't win that first one, but he can beat Marabdabad Shafili. Yeah, and he's admitted to, like, I believe when we had him on, when Ariel interviewed him interviewed him He said like I may not have won that fight But I I can confidently say I think it was closer than people will remember and I don't think that's an unfair take to himself

and if you combo that with him feeling like he was not even close to at his best and Physically, I think it's clear at this point. He meant I immediately to have surgery. I Think that's a compelling argument team also said that they didn't love the sphere. They were like, oh the sight lines. That one I'm not putting as much stock into. The injury I am. The injury I am, the sphere one. And to that point though, they in camp were replicating like the walk to the octagon, were replicating fight conditions, were trying to make this as real as possible. We were talking about the look, we were talking about, he seems as locked in as we've seen Sean O'Malley.

It's not about the betting this, that, the better, it's not about the, I've got a new this, a new merch drop, an energy drink, this. Okay, so speaking of that, so locked in, the dude is like, he pushes merch like nobody's business, comes out with a new collection for each fight. If you go on his store right now, it's still like the same branding and everything

from the Sphere back in September, and there's no products available. You can't buy anything. I mean, look at this, it's just empty. Every collection is empty. There's no merch being pushed. There's nothing like that. There's no collections for sale.

Before every single fight, it was just like, it was already like 16 and 0, get your jerseys now, I'm gonna go in and smoke this dude, it's done. Miami collection and this collection and that collection, like he was, as soon as he won the belt against Aljo, it was like a football team winning the Super Bowl. He had championship gear up. And like to the point where I fell for it,

I was like, this is such good marketing, I'll buy it to you, sure, why not? Like it was like sugar champ era, and now, you know, for it. I was like, this is such good marketing. All by it. You sure? Why not? Like it was like sugar champ era. Now, you know, it looks like he is like, he's taking this as serious as he possibly can. If you are a Sean O'Malley fan or felt like there was an opportunity for Sean O'Malley to win that fight, you must be more confident now than you were that time. And I certainly believe he has a better chance. No brass tacks.

We get the brass tacks. Ultimately, I don't feel that will be enough. I think Merab is going to be able to Merab like that is just how this goes until proven otherwise, until I see somebody who's able to stop Merab from being Merab. I think it goes a similar way. I think he's going to be able to, and by the way, we should know we're talking about all the potential changes that Sean O'Malley is making. Merab also was in there with five for five rounds with Sean O'Malley. He also talking about all the potential changes that Sean O'Malley is making. Marab also was in there with five for five rounds with Sean O'Malley he also is going to have a new approach he also

is gonna have a new game plan and an opportunity to try something different he's seen what the looks are so I'm excited to see how that chess match plays out I think it's I think it's a more competitive fight than the scores said last time right I didn't think that I didn't think that it was close I I didn't think it came down to one round. I think I ultimately had Mara by at least two rounds. But in those rounds, I think Sean O'Malley is right there. I don't think he's like losing these rounds, like getting blanked, you know, like I think there's opportunities for him to really put in some good work. So it's it's one of those fights that I feel like is they are closer than what I imagine the score

cards ultimately look like. Let's say it's 49-46 again, the rounds themselves will be closer, but I do, I, Marab is so good at picking up rounds. I see him ultimately being able to do it. I'm with you. I mean, a 12 fight winning streak, especially in this, this stretch last four or five fights, the dominance with which he's won these fights, it's just like 50-45 in Pyotr Yan, 49-46 against Sean O'Malley, picking up and dumping Henry Cejudo to the ground on the way to a 30-27 win. It's just like the dominance that he's showing, I just don't know if even with the healing of the labrum

and having nine months to prepare for this rematch, I just don't know if it's enough to close that gap because Marab is gonna come in ready to go. He is going to have a game plan. He's going to implement it. And he is going to go for 25 full minutes. And that's the most impressive thing about Murab to me, which is no matter what your style is,

his style is the same. No matter what you, like, there's a lot of fighters. I'll use GSP as an example. Like cerebrally, the GSP path of least resistance, he always takes the path of least resistance, right? If you're a better striker than me, I'm gonna grapple you. If you're a better grappler than me, I'm gonna strike you. That's kind of his, that's always kind of been his MO,

right, like he's got a fantastic game plan and a fantastic coaching staff that teaches him how to win those fights. Marabs is, I'm gonna do the same thing thing to everybody and it's I'm gonna be in on takedowns and if I don't get it I'm gonna come up with punches and if I don't get the punches I'm going back to a takedown and then rinse repeat rinse repeat rinse repeat rinse repeat forever. It works against wrestlers, it works against strikers, it works against wrestle boxers, it works against everybody because he's

so effective with it and he's just so relentless. His style doesn't need to change that much. The game plan doesn't need to change that much. So every single time he fights, it doesn't really matter who the opponent is or what their style is. Certainly there's individual tweaks. I don't wanna diminish the role of a coach or a game plan that Murad would have, but larger picture,

the game plan is the same. It's that pressure that he is so good at and it works against everybody. He's so good at it. the role of a coach or a game plan that Marab would have, but larger picture, the game plan is the same. It's that pressure that he is so good at and it works against everybody. He somehow finds a way to end up injured on social media before every single fight. And this one is no different.

I didn't know where you were going with that. Yeah. I mean, he, he posts like a week and a half ago, he's in training and he breaks his toe. He's like, doesn't matter, I'll cut it off, I'll be fine, doesn't matter. Did Dana White react to this? Did anybody show this to Dana White?

Because I remember last time he called him a fucking idiot and all that stuff. Will it even matter, will it make any difference? Wait, we got a press conference tonight, right? So I wonder if somebody will be like, hey, Marab showed his toe again, do you think he's a fucking idiot? It was a weird one out of Dana,

he really had an extra grind with Marab. But he again, do you think he's a fucking idiot? It was a weird one out of Dana, he really had an x to grind with Marab, but he finds a way to get injured, but it's one of those things that it was so quickly for Marab's purposes, like, oh no, that's not gonna stop, like that's not gonna change anything. The fact that he publicizes it, the fact that he puts it out on social media

is the funniest part. He's just like, yeah, I broke my toe, look at it. He's an actual mad man, he's an actual wild man. He's a man that I would just never wanna fight. Like the amount of videos where he is severely injured and he's just laughing through it, it's where the fight is nothing for him. I mean, need I remind you, this man scalped himself

on a sheet of ice. He dove into a frozen lake and literally peeled back the skin on the top of his head. Opened up his shin before the last fight. I've seen one where like his toe is dangling off and like he's laughing through it. Like he just, I've seen him on the sides of buildings. There we are.

There we are, Oben. I mean, it is just like, he truly is a mad man. The nickname machine could not be more fitting. It does not matter what happens. There is no, like he does not have a human pain threshold. He is actually a machine. I know people like to get in this discussion all the time. I just got a, just worth mentioning.

How close are we to like Bantamweight Goat Talks if he gets his done? Umar Gagabeta. There's a lot of conversation around it. Sugar twice, Henry, Pyotr Jan, Jose Aldo. How many title defenses is this now? This would be his second. Yeah, he's not there yet.

I'll say this. He's the best. I don't think there's anybody who at their peak is better than Marab right now. 13 Fight 1 Street, most takedowns in UFC history. He needs more title defenses. He needs to put more on the resume. But peak for peak?

Yeah, nobody's fucking with Marab. That guy's unstoppable. A media rematch of Sugar Wins? No. Oh, if Sugar Wins. If Sugar Wins, yes. No. No?

Dude. You think the UFC moves on from it. Come on. If they get an opportunity to move on with Sean O'Malley. Oh yeah. Instantaneously dropped. That's fucking. Thanks, Marab, it was a great run. That would be, that'd be nasty.

Corey Sanhagen versus Sean O'Malley. That would be disgusting. If Sean O'Malley wins, they will fly Corey in that moment. They will call Corey Sanhagen to be into the cage so that they can move on from Marab. We'll get a voicemail from Don Davis next week. The BFL has signed Merab Nawazili. Dude, they do not like Merab. And the whole Aljo and Merab thing,

it obviously always rubbed Dana White the wrong way. I think he can be a fun champion for them. The showboating, the showmanship he was doing in the Umar fight, this guy has a good personality. wrong way. I think he can be a fun champion for them. The showboating, the showmanship he was doing in the Umar fight, like this guy has a good personality. Like if you put him in the right positions and put him the right way, that said... He could get a few finishes too. Cause like he's not too far removed from Movsaar of Loyev in terms of how many fights he finished.

He's just not his style. And I say all that to say though, he's still here and Shono Mali is still here in terms of what you can do. Like not even like necessarily like Shono Mali is the biggest star in the world right now, but the potential, the swagger, the attitude, the fight style, all the things that we've talked about that he's kind of like shutting off to get back on track. Once you turn that tap back on,

he's a money printing machine. And so yeah, they would definitely love to have Sean O'Malley. It's gonna be fascinating to watch. I almost feel like if Suga wins, he'll be like, yeah, give Marab again. Yeah, but I don't know what the UFC goes, yeah, great idea Sean.

I think they go, whew, we got away with one there. Let's get Corey Sandhigan over here. All right, so the pick is Murab. Murab decision. Yeah, I'm gonna go Murab decision as well, but I'm very intrigued by it and I think it's very consequential what happens. I don't think this is like a foregone conclusion

by any means. Hell no. I think Sean O'Malley has tools and paths to victory that I maybe didn't give him credit for in the first fight and now I'm realizing, okay, there is something here that he could have. I think when these guys get on these incredibly long winning streaks we can talk ourselves into thinking they're unbeatable especially in a rematch we just saw nine months ago but it's never the case in the fight game. Things are

different from fight to fight. Crazy things can happen. Anybody can get beat. It can't be restated enough. Sean O'Malley was legitimately compromised in that first fight and that was the performance. I want to see what 100% looks like. Now, granted, he's gonna be talking a big game that he's 100%, we still don't know. He might've got dinged up in camp again, and he's only gonna be 70%.

We don't know, but I wanna see what as close to 100% Sean O'Malley as we get is, and I'm really excited about this fight. I look, I love watching Murab fight. I know we're talking about decisions. I fucking love watching Murab fight. I know we're talking about decisions. I fucking love watching Murab fight. I don't care what anybody thinks. Especially as of late, the dominance that he fights with,

I'm with you on that. It's fun, it's just fun. He's a fucking savage. All right, speaking of anybody can get beat. Yes. Call me an event. Chihana Pena, Kayla Harrison, minus. What are we talking?

800. Christ almighty. For the challenger, Kayla Harrison. Can't confirm, cannot say with 100% certainty, tell you that Julianna Peña is the biggest underdog for a defending champion in UFC history, but I can say with like 99% certainty. We believe it to be true.

We have searched the internet, have found nothing of a bigger case. We've pulled the YouTube chat, no one has been like, oh, there was this guy, he was a bigger defending champion going against the challenger undisputed, and you are a plus 550. Just so nobody yells at us, the one I remember being larger is Nico Montano versus Valentino Shevchenko,

but that fight never materialized, that fight did not happen. But that was the one where Valentina was a massive favorite against Nico. That fight ultimately never happened. So as far as fights that are going to happen and me knocking on everything and putting up a prayer that this fight happens because it's still only Thursday, that will be if not the number one one of the biggest underdog lines for a champion against a challenger in the UFC. Yeah and that one Valentina Shevchenko was minus 1300 Nico Montanio.

I mean obviously there would have been value on that one. Plus 700. Minus 3000. Alright so how does our girl, how does the Venezuelan Vixen shock the world on Saturday? The same way she always does by being the toughest woman that's ever lived right? Like we've seen her in there against the cream of the crop and sometimes it doesn't go her way, but if she can withstand the initial attack of Kayla Harrison, I do like the idea of, okay, what are we gonna see in the later rounds?

It has been the topic of conversation and it will continue to be the topic of conversation. Kayla Harrison is a massive human being and cutting down to a now, not just one 36, but 135 pounds to make that championship weight. And I know a pound doesn't sound like a lot, but when you've depleted your body to the point that Kayla Harrison is going to have to that one pound is actually all the difference. That last pound, how often and maybe this is something that happened was talked about a lot more and and you tell me if you've heard

This cliche, but they always talk about the fighters always talk about like that last pound right there was like oh that last pound was fucking hell Kayla Harrison is gonna have another pound to cut now from a massive woman and That is going there's no way that we're gonna see the possible version. If Kayla Harrison only had to cut five less pounds, I think she'd be an even better fighter. Ten less pounds and it'd be like, oh my God, who is this person? There is diminishing returns on this weight cut, but in order to achieve her goal of being UFC champion, she's going to have to do this. Will she now in that diminished state?

And I don't want to make this like, oh man, Kayla Harrison's going to suck when she gets in the cage. But we have to acknowledge the physical toll that this is going to take regardless of how she looks. Even if she rehydrates amazingly and she looks fantastic, that's fine to say. But this cut is going to take a toll on her. What toll does that take and does it put her in a position to still be at her best against Juliana Pena? That I think is going to be fascinating. And so if Juliana Pena can withstand early trouble from Kayla Harrison, then I think that gonna be fascinating. And so if Kayla Harrison could withstand early trouble, I mean, sorry, if Juliana Pena could withstand

early trouble from Kayla Harrison, that weight cut's gonna be more and more and more impactful on the fight. Come round five, is she gonna be as fresh as she could have been having gone through that? To your point about the weight cut, I think Macy Barber weighed in at like 126.5. Last week and her team was like, we gotta stop cutting.

We gotta stop cutting. Like that's how much of a difference that pound can make. Oh, 100%. Just to get into that threshold. So I'm in agreeance with you and Juliana Pena has hit on that. She's been like 135 pounds, 25 minutes. That's what you're signing up for with me. This isn't 136, this isn't anything like that.

On the flip side of this though, is if she does have a successful weight cut, she's able to rehydrate and she's able to feel good going in there, she is a massive human being. That is my biggest fear for Pena in there, is just the sheer size and strength of Kayla Harrison and being able to implement her will,

especially in those early rounds. I ultimately agree with you. I think Pena needs to let this one ride, you know, get through that first wave, stay alive, and then as the fight goes on, the dog. Just let the dog come out, push the pace, stay alive for those last three rounds, and see what happens from there. Yeah, I think that like it's quite clear, and I don't think we're like breaking any news here to say that the clearest path to victory is for Kayla Harrison, right? The clearest path to victory for Kayla Harrison is

to get in close, try to clinch, see if she can get it to the ground, work submissions. If not work ground to pound. If can't get it to the ground, try to get in the clinch. If having to strike a range, strike a range. But that path to the ground in the submission game and the top control game is the clearest path that anybody has. If I was looking at it from the Peña perspective, there's not like a, okay, take Kayla Harrison down and do this or do this in the striking game. Ultimately, she just has to be more well-rounded and survive that onslaught. She has

to be able to prevent Kayla from doing that. And then I think she will find success. One of Julianna Peña's best attributes is just like being in a scrap, like being a dog in a scrap. And if the other person's game plan plan like it was with Amanda Nunes is not going their way, she has a way of imposing her will on other fighters. And we saw it in her last fight. Some people scored it for Raquel. I thought Pena did enough, but ultimately she finds ways to win those fights and she's found ways to surprise everybody

like with the Amanda Nunes win. I think she's gonna be there. I don't think that line is quite accurate. I think it's not giving enough respect to her about the way she's found ways to surprise everybody like with the Amanda Nunes win I think she's gonna be there I don't think that line is quite accurate like I I think it's not giving enough respect to her ability to find something and also the idea of like I'm like this is new for Kayla Harrison the sport of MMA is new for Kayla Harrison like she's she's a I want to be clear she is the highest highest highest highest level of competitor, of athlete, of all those

things. But MMA fighter, she is not Juliana Pena. Juliana Pena has been doing this for much longer than she has to an insane degree. Like Juliana Pena is tried, true, and tested. Kayla Harrison as an MMA fighter is newer. Kayla Harrison as a 135 pound MMA fighter is newer. These are things that come into play. And so I think the line is a little bit off.

I think it's not giving enough respect to what Juliana Pena has done and the recent, the way she has looked recently against top level competition. But ultimately I understand why people will go, okay, clear path to victory. It's Kayla Harrison. It's taking her down. It's making a dirty ground and pound sub, whatever that looks like. Yeah. And honestly, new 135 or new UFC fighter as well.

This is only gonna be Kayla Harrison's third UFC fight. All these things are so new for Kayla Harrison, so fresh. Save for Larissa Pacheco in the PFL, she was a minus 3,500, minus 4,000 going into every single one of those fights. I understand that cage time is important, getting that experience is important. She's racked up like 19 MMA fights now,

but the level of competition between the PFL 145 division and the UFC 135 division is large. Yeah, Juliana Pena's career in the UFC is incomparable to the level of opposition that Kayla Harrison has faced. Now, there's things you can look at in those competitions and go, yeah, that's just because she's a class above these people, like skill for skill.

It's very clear Kayla Harrison belongs here. It's very clear that she's on top. I have, in recent weeks, been saying that I think the Ketlin Viera fight was impressive to me. I know some people looked at that and went like, oh, shit, is Kayla Harrison as good as we thought? I actually thought that was very impressive, because I rate Ketlin Viera, and now we

saw her just pick up another big win on Saturday. Holly Holmfight was incredibly impressive. Holly Holmfight was impressive as well. So I'm just as high on Kayla Harrison as I've always been. I think she has championship caliber, but I do think Juliana should get a fair shake and can be competitive in this fight. Can we go back to that picture, Jordan?

The Pena Power got her own custom fit. Yeah, B. Oh, Custom kit from the champ. You ordering that one? I mean, the hair looks great too. We got the- Look at that. You can go order it. Let's get it. Let's get a couple sets for the daughters.

For short, do they make opposite gender kits? Do they make- No, I don't think so. Women's Alex Pereira kits or men's Giuliano Pena kits? No, I don't think so. If they made a men's Giuliano Pena kit, it would already be. Yeah, we'd have it. It would already have that much.

Sorry. All right. Regardless of who wins this matchup, Yes. there is a larger matchup looming in Amanda Nunes. Absolutely. This is the biggest fight of their lives until the next one.

Yes. Which is the biggest fight of their lives. And so there's such a built-in story and Amanda Nunes like dating back to the last time that either of these women competed has already been forecasting like I will I will come back. Now certainly more toward the Kayla Harrison side it seems like she feels like her work with Juliana Peña is kind of done which I don't get like you're one-in-one it's a great rivalry like this feels like something that you can promote more but it seems like kind of like she's more focused on the Kayla

angle of it to me I think either of those is fantastic business and and my concern is that there's not much business beyond that right then this next one after the Amanda Nunes matchup whether it be Kayla or whether it be Juliana I don't know what you do from there especially if Amanda Nunes is now the champion again it's like who's left as a contender that we even care about seeing against her. But that part doesn't, we can worry about that when we get to it. They have a date with each other and then they have a date with Amanda Nunes, whoever wins.

I think from a fan standpoint, I think a lot of people would be more excited to see Kayla Harrison versus Amanda Nunez just because that means that Kayla Harrison got through Juliana Pena. She became the UFC champion of the world and now she gets this former training partner. The amount of like storylines that are built into that. You have the goat of these divisions of 135, 145.

Cyborg, you could make an argument for, but Pena, or I mean, excuse me, Harrison will start building that like, I might be the GOAT. 100%. And by the way, if Juliana Peña can get that match and she wins that one, I think that conversation drastically changes, right? Like, everybody has anointed Amanda Nunes the GOAT,

but like, again, she is one on one with Juliana Peña. Let's not, like, we're putting the card a little bit before the horse here respect to everything she's done I think Amanda Nunes is incredible she's one of the best women by far instantaneous Hall of Fame or one of the no-brainer locks when they were like Amanda Nunes is going

into the Hall of Fame obvious obvious obvious the names that she has on her resume and how she carried 135 and then that sham of a 145 division as well. She is as good as advertised. But man, the legacy's on the line there. If she loses to Kayla Harrison, I do think people will start to look

at that legacy differently. If she loses to Juliana Pena, I think that legacy takes a real hit, because now Pena will be two and one against her. Like that. She would have a win over Kayla Harrison. And she had a win over Kayla Harrison. That really affects things. So like. That'd be a crazy world Kayla Harrison. And she had a win over Kayla Harrison. That really affects things.

That'd be a crazy world to live in. There is a lot on the line, I think, for everybody involved here. If you're Kayla Harrison, you beat Julianna Pena, and then you go on to beat Amanda Nunes, you're in conversations that are vaunted territory. It's hard to approach those levels. If you're Julianna Pena, and you've

got two wins over Amanda Nunes, and you've got a win over Kayla Harrison, you're now saying like, they're looking at her like they go, what about me? Like, who's looking out for what I've got? And what I wonder though is if either of them is thinking about that, if either of them is like, okay, this is the fight, but what I'm really thinking about is that next one. I have a feeling not because I think they both know how dangerous the other can be. Absolutely, I'm in 100% agreeance with you.

That is an interesting conversation of like, we got the next one booked, but then what's after that at 135? What is after that? Exciting times for now. Ketlin Pierre, title shot, what we do? Norma Dumont? Norma Dumont, yeah, I mean, I guess.

I don't know, this is the problem. 135 is as shallow as it gets. I mean, imagine 135 in like three, four years. Yeah, when we lose Juliana, and we lose Pennington, who knows if Kayla's gonna be, like, if I'm Kayla Harrison, right? Let's say Kayla beats Juliana. Okay.

Fights Amanda Nunez. Okay. Do you even stay around? What else is left? At that, God, I was gonna say, at that point you just rack up a bunch of title Okay. Do you even stay around? What else is left? At that, God, I was gonna say, at that point you just rack up a bunch of title defenses. Do you need them? But how many times do you wanna cut to 135? How many times do you wanna cut,

go back to the farm, hang with the kids? Like, what do you need to do? Right, like you beat Amanda Nunez. At that point you would have beaten Pena, and you would have beaten Nunez. You'd be 20 and one. Olympic gold medalist. Two time Olympic gold medalist,

PFL champion three times. Yeah, multiple tournament wins. Two, three times, multiple time tournament winner in PFL, UFC champion. I'm on the farm. Went over the goat. I'm gone. Resume's kinda done.

I'm gone. You go get a Cyborg fight? That's the one, see, that's the one that's out there for me. That's the one that's like. Do that at 145? I would love to see that fight. I would love to see Amanda Nunes versus

Cyborg again. That is the one part of Cyborg's resume that you look at and go like, okay, this is a blemish. You lost head to head to Amanda Nunes when you were supposed to win that fight. I would, I would like to see Cyborg somehow get and enter back into this conversation. I'm long on record. I believe Cyborg is still the women's goat. I would like to see her involved in that, but that would be it. That is the one name and that's a PFL name at the moment. That is not a UFC name at the moment. So if I'm Kayla Harrison, I'm back on the farm until Cyborg comes calling. Now if I'm Julian Apena, yeah feeding the emus, feeding the chickens, hanging with the kids. If I'm Juliana Pena, keep riding it.

See how long you can ride this UFC champion thing and keep making money. I think she's still viable. But her problem is gonna be, she's talking all this shit. She does such a great job of promotion. By the way, I think Juliana Pena is the only one kind of doing this right now in the weight class.

I think her and Harrison have done a great job together. The press conference today should be good. Pena is so good at getting under her opponent's skin, so good at promoting her own fights, so good at making people want to tune in and at least watch now. Some people tune in with the I want to see her lose I hate her I hate her I hate her great like you're still you're still tuning in you're still coming to the to the tent. Who can she do that with? Like we saw in the Raquel Pennington one, like Raquel didn't really want to do that back with her and that's fine, but ultimately,

who can you find that's going to be a willing dance partner for something like that? Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how they book it. But for now, we got this title fight this weekend. Yes. We've got Amanda Nunez waiting in the wings. We'll enjoy it while we've got it. Let's move on to the featured bout of the evening. Calvin

Gaston taking on Joe Pfeiffer. This one is rebooked from the March 29th card in Mexico. Pfeiffer got sick, was unhappy with the entire country of Mexico, but now he's getting his fight in Newark, New Jersey. Just a stone's throw away from from his home over in Philadelphia. Overall in this fight, like I like the fact that it's a three-rounder for Pfeiffer. I mean, if that Hermansen fight is a three-rounder, then he's probably undefeated in the UFC. I don't love how tough Gaslam is for a guy in Pfeiffer

that most of his wins come via knockout, but ultimately I still think that he has enough to win two of the three rounds here. I think he can win the rounds, and I also think he can hurt Kelvin. We're at the point in Kelvin's career where it's like we're winding down now, clearly. We're on the downside of it, and Pfeiffer is a young,

super powerful, super athletic dude that I just think it's his time to shine. Super aggressive. He's going to be hunting to knock Kelvin out from the start, and in the fights where Kelvin gets stung and things like that and he's been an absolute war. See, as you said, he's one of the toughest dudes doing it. That Israel Adesanya fight is legitimately legendary. I think Hall of Fame, I think they inducted that or is that

coming or I forget, but either way, I actually, I think that might be this year. I think they might be doing that this year, but either way, it's not, it's not typically somebody like Joe Pfeiffer who looks a weight class bigger and is just gonna be walking like the Terminator down to knock his head off. Kevin Gaslam, we may have gone over this

on the Mexico City card, just like the classic, he's 33. Yeah, but he's been in the UFC. He feels like he's 42? He was like 20 years old when he was on Tough. Like the dude has been in our lives forever. He has 22 UFC fights. What year did he make his debut?

2012. Fall of 2012. So that means he was 21. That's right, he was 20 on Tough. On Tough though, he was 20. He turned 21 during the Tough season. He was a 20 year old kid. Like I've known Kelvin Gastelum for as long as like a lot of important relationships in my life. So yeah, it's not necessarily about the age,

but it's about the miles, right? Those wars that he's been in, I just see the damage is gonna accumulate and I think Piper is gonna either be able to get him out of there or if not win the decision. All right, let's go to the debuting. Patchy Mix, former Bantamweight champion of the world for Bellator against Mario Bautista, man.

The slander campaign on Mario Bautista after that Jose Aldo fight has not been great. Seven fight win streak, but he did go for 10 takedowns against Jose Aldo. Did not get any of them but still managed to rack up seven and a half minutes of control. So he was just the clenched king that night to do it against the legend and Jose Aldo at that point. Fans were not happy and now I think there's a lot of excitement around Patchy Mix getting his debut and Mario Bautista here to play villain again. Yeah, I think if you are a fan of Mario Bautista, which by the way there are because like the Jose Aldo thing has like affected everybody's perception of him this one singular fight but like before this he was a huge prospect. People seem to love him like he was not this guy

that was like a villain his whole career. It was just this Jose Aldo thing. If you're a fan of his, I think it's working in your favor because I think people's like feeling coming off that Jose Aldo fight has clouded perception to the point that they think like, yeah it's Patchy Mix like against this guy Mario Batista. Mario Batista is a really really good fighter like insanely good. This is a very tough debut for Patchy Mix and I think that that's being a little bit clouded or overlooked by the fact that that Jose Aldo fight wasn't like the most technical way that he could win or sorry wasn't the most exciting way that he can win and he took a more technical approach I think this is gonna be a tough fight for patchy mix

I ultimately think patchy mix will win this fight but man he would not be the first to come into the UFC and be like okay the bright the lights are a little bit brighter here than they were over at Bellator he never competed for PFL the lights are a little bit brighter than they were about or I may not have been ready and you're jumping in against the guy who's at the upper echelon of that division and by win streak top 10 bad in the world that's tough that's a tough that's a tough first match up. So I'm not gonna be surprised,

I ultimately do think that Patchy is super well rounded. The people that were like, Patchy mix is the number one band in the world, no doubt in my mind. I never really bought that, like I don't think that I was on that train. Fans have this weird way, especially like when Bellator was really hot, just like anointing the

champion in Bellator, just like, actually, I think they are the best in the world. Patchy, there's like a few guys. AJ McKee at one point, and then I think he lost his next fight, Patricio Pitbull, like there were, there were people always rioting for these. Like I think AJ McKee's, when Volk was on his reign, was like, I'll beat Volk.

Yeah, smoke him. And then I think he lost his next fight. Yeah. It's, it's, it's difficult to say. Yeah, I'll smoke him. And then I think he lost his next fight. Yeah. It's difficult to say, you really don't know how these debuts are gonna work out. Look at Patricio Pippel against A. Rodriguez. But then look at Michael Venom Page making his debut against Kevin Holland.

Like, it's just like, you just don't really know how it's gonna go. Or Chandler coming in and icing Dan Hooker, which was an impressive debut. Chandler coming in. It happens. Kaya Sakura, I know he was coming in from Ryzen but it's just like you don't really know

what level they're at until they get to this level. I mean Patchy Mix is unbelievable. He's 20 and one, he's got some big wins over in Bellator. Kyoji Horiguchi, Magomed Magomedov twice. Yeah. Like he's got nice wins. He's slick as hell on the ground. He's got disgusting submissions. he's good on the feet.

I think he's well-rounded enough to get this done, but I don't think this is this coronation, welcome to the UFC, Patchy Mix. Yeah, I'm on the exact same page as you. I think this is gonna be a very tough fight, I think Mario Bautista is very, very good. But ultimately, I do think this will be the start of, okay, now we know, right?

Now Patchy Mix is in the UFC, assuming he picks up a win, which I believe he will. Now what? Okay, so that's what I was thinking. He's gonna jump into the top 10 if he gets a win. He'll probably take Mario Bautista's number 10 ranking. I feel like at that point it's like, all right, he got through Bautista,

especially depending on how he wins. You could be like, you could start talking about like a Corey Sandhagen, maybe the loser of O'Malley Marab, if they don't do a rematch, Umar Namaga Mehta is gonna need a matchup. Like you could start talking about that upper echelon of 135.

It was not that long ago that Umar was the guy who was like, I just need a shot to break into these rankings. And Corey was like, I'm right here, I'll take it. Corey patching mix would be nice. Corey might have another opportunity now. I think Corey's closer to a title shot that he's ever been. And it feels like maybe now is not the right time. But he's also an absolute crazy person.

And he's so singular with his vision and he's always talked about, I just want to be the best mixed martial artists on the planet. I don't care about the other, the title, all that stuff are the trappings of it. The only thing he cares about is being the best mixed martial artists on the planet. I don't care about the other like the title all that stuff are the trappings of it The only thing he cares about is being the best mixed martial artists Fighting patchy mix is a good way to prove that you're one of the best and so I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up

Doing that ultimately. I don't think it goes that direction. You could be a next opponent for shawn You could be a next opponent for mara potentially so I think he'll stay in that conversation but yes, it will be names like that. He will definitely be on people's lips because Patchy Mix is that good, yeah. And Mario Bautista wins, keep the slander campaign going and just keep rising up in the rankings. Should he like heal off? Should he, he takes out Patchy Mix and he's like,

this guy was Bellator trash, all you, like just fuck. He got so much shit after that fight, I wouldn't blame him. Yeah. People were like, next up, Tom Aspinall to bend his interim. Have we seen Mario Batista this fight week? Does he have like a if he has a go team maybe he's just evil Mario Batista he could just do the thing from TV. I hope he is I hope he is I hope if he wins he goes full on heel I'm down for it. I would like like a villain run out of Mario Batista. He starts going by Wario Batautista. All right, let's move to the opening fight

on the main card. Vicente Luque taking on Kevin Holland. Kevin Holland says he wants to fight five or six times this year. He's already halfway there after this weekend. That'll be three and it's June 7th. So he's well on his way. What a guy.

I really just have two questions when it comes to this fight. Yes. Question number one, what Kevin when it comes to this fight. Yes. Question number one, what Kevin Holland are we gonna get? Yep. Question number two, what Vicente Luque are we gonna get? Kevin Holland, two and two in his last four. Four and four in his last eight.

Six and six. Oh shit. In his last 12, eight and eight in his last 16. So you tell me what Kevin Holland are we gonna get this weekend? It's a coin flip with Kevin Holland. He has five and three at welterweight. I do favor welterweight for him.

Agreed. But Sente Luque, kind of like the same thing. I understand he got the win over Thumbagurimba. I don't really know where to rate that, but like, man, when we saw him last year in Atlantic City, the brain bleed and everything, and then the just like shelling up and being like, he should not have been in there.

Horrible performance. It's sort of just like, where is Vicente Luque at? What Vicente Luque are we gonna get? Yeah, ultimately even like, I think the best version of Luque that we get at this point, I think there's some real opportunities for Kevin Holland to win this fight. I think he's gonna be, he might not have

the more powerful shots, but I think he's gonna be able to be busier than Vicente. And I think he's going to be, he might not have the more powerful shots, but I think he's going to be able to be busier than Vicente. And I think he's going to be able to use that to his advantage. If it hits the ground, I think Kevin Holland, like every Kevin Holland fight, I'm like, if it hits the ground, like who, like sometimes he brings it to the ground. Sometimes he doesn't put up take down defense. What version of Kevin Holland is going to show up? As you said, I do think Kevin's like at a point in his career where this is a very winnable fight for him.

Vicente is ranked number 14, Kevin Holland's not ranked. I think to me, Kevin is the rightful favorite in this fight and I think he has the path to victory. Any chance if he grabs a ranking in 170, we start seeing him taking it more seriously? No. Yeah. He just wants to fight.

I don't think he cares. He'll be in New Orleans. Yes, exactly. After this weekend, he'll be in New Orleans. It's just every six fight. I don't think he cares. He'll be in New Orleans after this weekend. He'll be in New Orleans. It's just every six months. That's it. His biggest argument is I fight. Kevin Holland is call big mouth,

say yes to the fight and cash the check. That's it. Kevin Holland just wants to keep fighting until he will, if he does not retire early, he will undoubtedly be the person with the most UFC fights of all time. There's no doubt in my mind, it will not even be close. And he's gonna do it in like a 10 year career?

100%. 58 UFC fights in his 12 year illustrious career, Kevin Holland. And by the way, it's a great fucking lane to be in. Like if you could keep doing it, the key to Kevin Holland is you do have to win some. For sure. You cannot just be- He does win some.

That's what I'm saying. He's 500. You can't, if you hit a losing skid, that's where the, hey, call me every week and I'm ready to fight, starts to not look so good. You keep winning, you alternate them, you win two in a row, you lose one, you win two, that will keep you in that game. And yeah, honestly, I like the way Kevin Hollins

kind of handled this. He's like, look, champion may not be for me, like if I get there, I get there. I'm gonna fight every week and God damn it, he does. Let's rip through some of these prelims, the feature prelim. Bruno Silva versus Joshua Van, top 15 flyweights. This is just like, this is banging.

This is people's main event type stuff. Bruno, four wins in the UFC, all of them by finish. Josh Van, crispy boxing, he's nasty, can get a finish as well. I just feel like this one is destined to be exciting. Josh Van fighting a middleweight? Kind of crazy, you know? Oh yeah.

Yeah, do we have a picture of Bruno Silva here, Jordan? Do we have a picture of Bruno Silva, Jordan? No, no, no pictures. Yeah, this is a banger. This is a banger. This is like the one that you point to on the card and you're like, uh-oh, I thought we were about to actually show a picture of middleweight Bruno Silva. I wish we got a I wish we got a middleweight

I wish we got a middleweight Bruno Silva photo shot against 125 Joshua van oh unabashedly. I am a huge Josh van stan like I just right Sorry go with 185 Bruno Silva you know I forgot about that moment. Go with 185 Bruno Silva. I love Joshua Van. I just love watching him fight. The guy's electric and Bruno Silva is the I believe his nickname is the Bulldog right? He's just a little monster. Yeah Bulldog 185 is blindado. That's right yeah. He's like kill or be killed. Exactly. It's gonna be fantastic. And Van is not necessarily that but Van is all action right? Like he's not. He'll cook you up though too and put you out as well. It's a volume game though with him more so than the like I'm just one hitter quittering you. He's just constant, relentless, relentless, relentless. Body shots to the head, kicks like I love I love Josh Van. I think Bruno Silva is a perfect opponent for him to kind of showcase his striking.

But also, I don't know, I think there's a win, a potential win in there for Bruno Silva. I don't think Josh Vann is at the point in his career where I'm looking at it as like, he's a finished product, he's unstoppable. The odds are quite steep. I was gonna say Josh Vann minus 700. I don't think that's-

Get a load of all these giant favorites. You got Josh Vann minus 700, Joe Pfeiffer minus 410. You've got Kong Wang minus 550, Azmat Mirzakhanov minus 600, Ju Sang Yu minus 550, Killin' Sal Killed minus 550. And then the biggest favorite of them all, the challenger, Kayla Harrison minus 800.

You throw a few shekels on any of those underdogs, you just need one. I just listed off like eight dudes. There's no way all of them win. Yeah, all these big favorites can't win. You throw something on some of those underdogs, you might profit. I think Bruno Silva can win this fight.

I don't think you, I definitely favor Van here, but I don't think Bruno Silva's out of this fight by any means. Azamat Merzikano versus Brenton Haberio. Yeah. Undefeated 36 year old means. Azmat Merzikanov versus Brinson Heberio. Undefeated 36 year old prospect, Azmat Merzikanov. I mean, I'm looking forward to this one. Like Azmat Merzikanov, he's a great striker.

He's obviously hasn't lost yet. Career's a little bit slower, but like he's got power. He's crispy. He's got nice movement. Brinson Heberio is down for a scrap. I think it's something like 28 of their 34 fights have not gone to a decision. Like I feel like this is going to be a fun fight. Are these not like the. I think it's something like 28 of their 34 fights have not gone to a decision. Like I feel like this is going to be a fun fight.

Are these not like the same fight where it's like one guy like stylistically you want to see him in there just throwing and the other guy's just a game tough motherfucker. Princeton Habaro is Bruno Silva, Azamat Merzikanov is Josh Vann. Like both just like crispy strikers that can get finishes. Like it's these, the last seven fights,

these are the ones where it's just like, all right, sit down. We're not going anywhere now. These last seven fights, these are the ones where it's just like, all right, sit down. Yeah. We're not going anywhere now. These last seven fights are gonna be sick. And I mean, shout out to number seven ranked heavyweight. Sergey Spivak, the polar bear getting in there. Action Bronson if you're watching baby.

We're supporting the polar bear this weekend baby. Let's go. Yeah, Sergey Spivak taking on Waldo Cortez Acosta. I will be cheering for Sergey Spivak. Waldo Cortez Acosta. I will be cheering For Sergey speed back Waldo Cortez Acosta ever since he did Andrei Orlovsky dirty like that I've been I've been cheering for my man to lose your anti Waldo. I think Sergey can use the wrestling if not Yeah, he's probably gonna get boxed up Chaos Williams versus Andreas Gustafson Gustafson was put a fight Speed back. Yeah, itus like 135 speed back?

Yeah, I like to be back there. Okay, sorry. Chaos Williams, Andre's guess. Gustafson was supposed to fight last weekend against Trevon Giles, he was like a minus 170. Now he gets Chaos Williams. Big dude, big power, nine, 10 UFC fights, God experience, this is a much tougher test

than what he was up against last week. This is one of those all action types. I've been hearing about Gustafsson and I think Pizzi picked him for the parlay last week. Yeah. Um. Didn't pick him this week. No, this is a, this is a tough, uh, looking for him. Um, I'm excited to see how this one goes.

I, I, I've been hearing a lot about Gustafsson, but man, chaos Williams, that power is legit and his ability to stay in a fight and then find it is, uh, known and impressive. So I'm looking forward to this one. I don't, although I'm not sure if it's going to be But man, Chaos Williams, that power is legit. And his ability to stay in a fight and then find it is known and impressive. So I'm looking forward to this one. I don't ultimately know, like I wanna kind of see

Gustafson's level here, but Chaos Williams is a tough debut for anybody. One more that I think is just gonna be all action. I don't know how it couldn't be because Jeka Saragi is fighting in it, but Ju Sang-Yu versus Jeka Saragi. Yu is like kind of unknown, he's 8-0, he's been doing all his fights in mostly Korea,

I think he's got a couple in Japan. So much so that he doesn't even have a headshot on UFC.com, he's just a black player. Yeah, it looks like he's good, but obviously you can't tell from regional experience, and Jaka Saragi is gonna give him a scrap. He is all action, he is there to be killed, or get, or be killed, kill or be killed, check a Saragi.

Guy's only been to one decision. I think this one is gonna be fun early on in the card. What about the queen of violence and our girl, Kong Wang? Kong Wang bounces back against Rune of Brazil and now she's right back to minus 500 against Ariane Lipski? Yeah, she. Minus 500.

Last time, what was it? Just saw her lose as a minus 500. She was like minus seven or something crazy like that when she lost. Yeah. Look, the grappling for Lipski, or actually I believe she goes by De Silva now. The grappling for her is a clear path to victory.

Like this is going to be, if she can get her down, I like her odds here, but on the feet, yeah, she's probably going to get pieced up there. Killin' Salkild versus Yanolash Moose. Killin', former Eternal MMA Champion fighting out of Australia. Shut up. Not too dissimilar to the current

welterweight champion of the world, Jack Delamatta-Lena. He's gonna be way bigger than Yanol. I think he's got all the advantages here. I think he likely gets it done unless Yanal just like cracks him. He has power. I mean, we saw in the Sam Patterson fight. Massive power.

I mean, I guess the size differential doesn't really matter when you fight trees and you just take them down like that. So I don't know if he's gonna be too affected by that, but like there are some really solid scraps on this card. But there are a lot of big favorites. That is massive. Massive favorites. All right, we said 13 scraps on this card. But there are a lot of big favorites. That is massive favorites. All right, we said 13 fights on this card. And who did I list off?

I said Pfeiffer minus 410, Van minus 700, Merzikanov minus six, Kong Wang minus 550, Zhu Shengyu minus 550, Sal Killed minus 550, and Kayla Harrison minus 800. That's seven of the 13 fights have a minus 400 or bigger favorite in them. And then even like, what's Patchy right now? Patchy's like a minus 170.

Oh, okay, so that's actually more reasonable. Marab's gotta be what, in the three range at this point? Minus 285. Yeah, like this is kind of like, Kevin Hollins. Kevin Hollins a minus 270. Yeah, this is crazy. Caz Williams a minus 192. Honestly the closest on the odds is Sergei Spivak versus Waldo Cortez Acosta. Which kind of also makes sense a little bit. Heavy

weight like although it's not like Waldo's got immense power. That is the only fight on this card. Less than minus 200. Less than minus 150. There's a couple minus. Oh right because you said 170 for passing. I mean Markel Medeiros against Mark Choinsky is minus 205. Yeah what something's gonna be in the air at Jersey. It's either gonna be like showcase after showcase after showcase or I feel like there's some it might be the night of the underdogs. I might I feel like there might be some some opportunities here for somebody to upend the apple cart. Beyond the main and co-main?

Yes. Fight you're most excited for? Another Josh Van fight. All right, you say Josh Van. Number one, I'm a stand for Kevin Holland too, so it's always Kevin Holland time, but sometimes it's like that last 30 seconds because he dove into RDR's guard.

For me, Josh Van, showcase fight. I'm gonna say the Ju-Sang-Yo. Yeah. I was gonna say Josh Van, but you took that one. God, I fucking love Josh Van. All right, final prediction? Marabda Pagliari. Robb decision. Decision.

Kayla Pena? Juliana Pena, decision. Juliana Pena. Decision. Juliana Pena and still. And still. I love it. We ride with our girl. Shout out Juliana.

There's the main card. Rob DeVos, Julie, Sean O'Malley, Juliana Pena, Kayla Harrison, Kelvin Gaslam, Joe Pfeiffer, Mario Bautista, Patchy Mix, Vicente Luque versus Kevin Holler. That is a fantastic, fantastic main card. And these prelims are not bad either. Bruno Silva, Josh Van, Osamon Merzikanov,

Brenton Hebarrio, Sergey Spivak, Waldo Cortez Acosta, Chaos Williams, Andreas Gustensen. This is the first Jersey- The graphics also look great, man. Yeah, they do. Thank you, Jordan, with the right Bruno Silva. This is the first Jersey card in a long time great, man. Yeah, they do, thank you Jordan, with the right Bruno Silva. This is the first Jersey card in a long time that I haven't gone to, I think.

I usually go to the Jersey card. I've usually been credentialed media, and so I'll be doing the watch party, and it'll be fun. Did you go last year? Yeah, I think so, because that must have been. Poirier? Yeah, Poirier and Islam, yeah. I've never been to the Rock for a card.

How is it for MMA? It's decent, actually. Pretty good arena. Pretty good arena for MMA. I've been a few times. I really liked it. Where was the Jones versus Shogun fight at the Aizad Center? Where was this?

Damn, Aizad at an arena? No, it was at Prudential. So I've been there quite a few times actually. I've been there then. There was some fight nights there. I think there was like a Nate Diaz versus Jim Miller or something like that. I've been there for MMA quite a bit. But yeah, going to see Johnny Bone's Shogun was something special.

Shout out to Newark. That's this weekend. Let's go back to last weekend. UFC Vegas 107. Jordan Levick gets a first round finish over Kurtis. something special. Shout out to Newark. That's this weekend. Let's go back to last weekend UFC Vegas 107. Jordan Levick gets a first round finish over Kurt Haliba after a 19-month layoff and he is kind enough to join us right now. Jordan, thanks so much for joining us, man. We really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. Look at this setup with the books behind you, man. You look so astute. You look fantastic with the blazer and everything too. Oh Renaissance man right here. I've even read some of these

books. Jordan, I'm gonna need you to reach back and you need to take one off the shelf because we've been known to be tricked by somebody who doesn't have books behind them before so I need to see. Look at that. That's a real bookshelf. It's real. There's a man we work with named Ariel Hawwani who he uses a fake bookshelf behind him. Wait, he does? I hate to break the fourth wall there. Let's not bury the lead. Last weekend, when you got the win over Kurt Haliba,

you also celebrated your 30th birthday. So happy birthday, my man. It was a great way to ring in a new decade. How did that feel getting it done on your birthday? Dude, hell bomb. It was a perfect three weeks, won the fight in 99 seconds after 19 months off, and then celebrate my birthday and eating fat, greasy,

horrible food from me for about three days. And now I'm gonna fast for today and get back into this wing of pain. Incredible, man. Let's also not bury the second lead. You get the win, but no twerking in the post fight. I know you post on Instagram, you said that you were not gonna twerk anymore, but it was on April Fool's,

so we didn't know if you were legit or not. And then you said in a couple interviews, you were like, yeah, I might not be twerking. It turns out, you get the 99 second victory, no twerking. We're done with it, we're putting it behind us. I might keep it in my back pocket. No pun intended. I just, I knew for sure I wasn't going to twerk on Kurt because I'm a big fan of him. And there was a lot of respect there. Like I knew I wasn't going to twerk on Chase if I beat Chase.

But if I fight somebody who I have a particular dislike for, I could see myself, you know, throwing it back a few times, but I'm taking myself seriously now. It's the serious Monkey King story arc. So yeah, I saw an interview you did with Alex Buchanan of MMA Media and you talked about that. You talked about being more serious now. I have a few questions, but my first question on that is what does that entail? What does being more serious about your career look like for Jordan Levitt? Well, I've always trained professionally, but I've always gone out into my fights and I've always kind of prepared the punchline beforehand.

That's why I always walked out to funny walkout songs or I, whenever I always made it seem like I was kind of flipping about this fight career thing and I was kind of hiding behind my humor. Just in case I did lose, no one could say that Jordan was talking crap and he was so confident people just saw me as a joke because I saw myself as a joke as a mean person. And my year and a half off, I really started to think of myself more as a serious fighter and taking my skills seriously because I trained for a lot of these guys who are going out there and they're performing very well in the UFC and they're performing better than me.

And I beat them in the rooms. And I think a part of that is because I haven't been taking myself as seriously as I should. So I've been putting the work in, but I've been giving myself like mental reps of, you know, not taking myself seriously. So now I'm just going to try to go out there. I'm expecting to win. I'm expecting to perform dominantly and to perform well,

as opposed to kind of trying to highlight my flaws, my weaknesses, my awkwardness, and not letting people know that I do take this seriously, that this is my passion. And I'm not just doing this because it's a fun time. I'm doing this because I'm supposed to be doing this. So my humor is still gonna be there. I'm still gonna do stupid stuff,

but I'm going to try to at least make it more clear how important this fight career is to me. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And you're also talking about like the external factors or you're talking about like people observing you and looking at you and having these things. But I'm trying to read between the lines here and help me, but I'm trying to see where you're at. Is it a bit of a defense mechanism? Were you yourself going, okay, if I go into this fight and I didn't give it my all, or I prepared properly properly but I gave myself this out and you did inevitably lose were you looking at that where you could come back to it

and say I didn't I wasn't a hundred percent in it I had this out was it a defense mechanism to protect you against potential losses? Oh 1,000% I just lacked the courage to go out there and to take it 100% seriously and to put my health, my life, my money on the line and then lose. If I lost doing everything in my power to win, take myself as seriously as I could and I still lost, that loss is 100% on me. And I realized that's no way to live a life. That's no way to, you know, that's no way to orient your fight career, like preparing

for the loss, preparing for the joke. You kind of have to go for all the marbles. And that's my new mindset. Like I'm 30. It's okay to be indecisive and insecure and not sure of your place in the world in your twenties. But I'm a grown man now. And I got five to six more years of my prime,

so let's make the best of them. I love that mentality. I have one more question on the same line of thinking, which is, did you feel like the antics, I don't know how to describe it, but just your personality was taking away in a certain way from how seriously you were training and wanting to compete and those things, or do you feel like it's just a shift in mentality and you weren't necessarily concerned about that overshadowing it?

No, I definitely do think it overshadowed it. I think it frames my fight career and the way people portrayed me like every time you know, you're walking out you're getting ready to walk out backstage and you hear what the commentators are saying about you. And it was always the charismatic Jordan Levitt, the personality Jordan Levitt. And so I think I started viewing myself as like, just a guy that's good at an interview or a guy that people like, or a guy that, you know, it's good at the spectacle part, but perhaps not the fight part. And it was easy for me to start believing it myself when that's what people believed

of me. And especially one of my new coaches I've been working with, Jason, Jason Manley, he was telling me like, you know, you're a serious fighter, you got serious skills and you deserve to take yourself seriously. And if you take yourself seriously and you lose lose it's fine. There's no different than if you took yourself unseriously and you lost. You still feel the same loss. It still sucks. It's just the illusion of a defense mechanism. It's an illusion of distance I was giving myself because even if I went out there and I was making jokes about it and I'm being silly.

The loss is a serious thing. This is a serious game. And I've been lucky that I haven't taken really any damage while having so much fun with it. So now I'm taking it seriously and I think logic, logic tells me that I will have even better results. And that's what I'm hoping for. Hearing you talk about it

and reading prior interviews you've done before this, it feels like this incredible mental transformation. I know you mentioned some of your new coaches. How much did this long layoff play into this? Having to be off away from the octagon for 19 months, you were dealing with injuries. I know you had concussions, knee surgery, a busted eardrum.

How much did this time away help you get to where you are now mentally? I would not be where I am if I had fought three or four times in that time period. I may have had more money, I may have had more bonuses, maybe I'd be higher in the rankings, but I think I would have still been like emotionally and mentally kind of adolescent.

And 18 months off, 19 months months off way too long off. It really just allowed me to focus on myself. Because I couldn't focus on my opponent. I couldn't focus on the fight camp. I just had to focus on daily incremental improvements. And. When I'm training better and I'm looking at myself in a more serious, more serious lens, like I just had to really come to terms with, and really tackle a lot of my insecurities.

A lot of the things I feel like I was that were holding me back. And some of that was working with my sports psychologist, some of that was better coaching, some of that was just me being older and me having to, you know, kind of have a little bit of faith about how my career is going to turn out because a lot of things are outside of my control as a fighter on the UFC roster. Like I could fight and I could perform well, but there will still be things outside of my control. I think most things are outside of my control, but I can't control my mindset. I can't control how I'm growing.

And I think I'm a lot more mentally resilient, anti-fragile, however you wanna frame it. I'm just a stronger version of myself. And I think I was pretty strong mentally before, but I think good things are gonna happen. I've heard you mention a couple of times, like you're older now, you're a grown man. I think it's gonna go, I think good things are gonna happen. I've heard you mention a couple of times, like you're older now, you're a grown man, like this is how you need to act,

this is how you need to be serious. Correct me if I'm wrong, you just gave birth to your second daughter, correct? Your wife did? Yeah. How much has this family, how much has having this second daughter played into this as well?

Oh, second kid, it's different. My first daughter, she was very easy kid. And, you know, a lot of fighters, they talk about how like, oh, I take it more seriously because of my kids. Like, but most of the guys that are saying that are fighters that just aren't disciplined, like they're fighters that would be taking the time off.

But I was already in the gym every day. My weight never got crazy out of control. So my daughters didn't make me train more seriously, but they made me view myself as more important, more, more significant to my children's success. My children's happiness, my children's stability. And one daughter, way easier than two daughters, and my kids deserve a dad who, given it is all a dad, who's not preparing for the loss of dad that's hoping for a positive future. I'm going to build that with my own two hands. I'm going to give them a better life than I had. I'm going to give them the stability and I want to give them a positive like male role model.

I'm not sure how important positive male role model is because I didn't have one growing up, but I hear it makes a pretty big difference and I want to be that for my kids. So I'm still going to be silly. That's who I am. I'm still going to make jokes. I'm still going to do funny videos, but there's gonna be a lot more. I'm gonna give a more full picture of me for the world to see

because I think that's kind of what bravery is about. I love that as a father of two daughters and congratulations to you and your wife. On the Sally Allen podcast, you talked about two things that I thought were kind of like at odds with each other and I'm interested to hear how you kind of combine those things.

In one area, in one element, you said that you have a guilt about like hurting opponents and not necessarily leaning into and liking the violence. And then you also told the story where you were watching TV and you saw tough and instantaneously it kind of like clicked into place that that was something you wanted to pursue. How do you like rectify that? How do you rectify the idea of like wanting to express

yourself through fighting and also feeling, and maybe I should start with, do you still feel that way? Do you still feel a guilt about potentially hurting your opponents? And then if so, how do you rectify those two things? Oh, good question. I've actually been pondering about this for a few weeks now. I still I still don't like the idea of hurting my opponents.

And every time behind my fight before I go out there, I always pray. Please don't let either of us get hurt. I don't ever pray to win. I just want to go out there. I want everyone to go home to their families. And I'm probably part of that's because I was traumatized by the Matt Wyman win. That felt horrible. Yeah. But I realized I was moralizing this sport more than I should.

Like I was always seeing my fights as is me winning the right thing to do. Like does this person need to win more? And I was moralizing it. So whenever I'd lose, I thought, well, that was what was supposed to do. Like, does this person need to win more? And I was moralizing it. So whenever I'd lose, I'd be like, well, that was what was supposed to happen. That was probably the right thing to happen. And that was just another form of me, like, that was just another defense mechanism, me moralizing the outcome of these fights. And I don't need to be the good guy in the cage, but I do need to be fair. I need to be fair to myself. I need to be fair, you know, to my opponent.

I just need to go out there and do my best. And if I have to hurt them, I will. And I have no qualms about that anymore. But I prefer not to hurt them. And I really like, it's like the meme or the thing. There are two wolves in my heart. One's violent and the other one just kind of wants to play around. And I do still have conflicting feelings. And I think as I grow older, all my feelings will

change. But right now it's if I hurt you, it's because you didn't let me beat you about hurting you. And that is your fault. And I like it. Yeah. When I see Kurt, I thought, oh, I killed him like his neck. He has had the the mad all crazy. I was a little scared for a moment, but I kept going. And then I told him, I hope his neck's not hurt.

But if he would have gotten knocked up by the slam, that would have been a good finish and I would have been happy with it. For lack of a better word, are you passionate about fighting or is fighting like the means to the end that it provides the things that you need in your life? Is it part of like a larger picture? How does that fit into it?

Are you passionate about fighting? Is that your singular drive or is it just part of like a larger thing that allows you to achieve those goals that you need? It's it's definitely part of a larger thing. Like I love stories and I love philosophy and I love art and I love fighting and fighting I'm not expressing myself. I'm discovering myself and I Go out there. I love the uncertainty of fighting. I love the chaos of it.

I love seeing how I react to it. I love the problem solving, but I know that it's not, it's all the other things that are tied to the cage fight that I think I'm really obsessed with obsessed with all the different variables. I'm obsessed with solving these puzzles. I'm obsessed with improving myself and fighting just my medium for that right now, but I definitely don't think I'm one of these fighters that after I'm done fighting, I'm going to have an identity crisis because fighting is just the way

I was chasing all of these stimuli and I will find it another avenue eventually. But for right now we're fighting men in a cage until I no longer enjoy doing it Yeah along these same lines and continuing with with this track in a 2023 interview with Tom Drabacy of UFC comm you kind of said that you look at the MMA game as more of like a larger Picture as opposed to this kind of linear path Maybe like a video game or like other fighters might be taking it. It's win, win, win title, win, win, win. What is that larger picture? If you know, and if you don't know, let's say, let's say that picture is still

hazy, what is the ideal picture? I think the ideal picture is that this life that I'm living, this career path that I'm choosing leads to me finding my tribe, leads to me becoming the man that my family needs me to be. Ideally, what I want at the conclusion of my fight career is I want to know who my people are. Because this sport is filled with a very eclectic bunch of individuals. And most of them I don't vibe with. But I feel like the past year and a half, I've really met some people that will be lifelong friends that are part of my tribe, and they've helped me discover myself. Some I feel like one part one important part of the human experience is that we don't, humans don't exist in a vacuum. We don't really

know who we are until we have other people to reflect off of. And I really feel like I've, I'm finding out who I am by my interactions with people and by the fight camps. I mean, I buy my interactions with people and by the fight camps. And I just love seeing, I love seeing how my life is turning out. And I love seeing the people that are brought into my path and the family I'm building, and that includes like my friends and my associates. And I just know that after my fight career, like at its conclusion, after the end, I'm all, I'm all in a somber mood now, even though I have like so many years left, um, I just want to find my people and I want to grow old and I want to

help them achieve their dreams. I want them, I want us all to be collaborative and I just want to, I just want to reach for the stars of a bunch of people that are like-minded. How many new people are in your corner, are in your life since that Chase Hooper fight? Cause just talking to you, it really does feel like you are a new person, you are a new fighter. You mentioned how young you are, you're only 30 years old.

You said it yourself, it feels like you're one and oh now. It feels like we're starting on a new track. Like how refreshed have the people around you been since that Chase Hooper fight? Completely different. I would say the only person that has like stayed in my inner circle, like I have two of my trading partners, but besides that, in that year and a half,

like I have like a team of like seven to eight people and we meet three times a week and none of them miss it and we have coaches and we have plans that go months in the future and we're all reading the same books and we're really all just getting better and it's just it's really cool. You really are the sum of like all the people you're surrounded by, and I'm surrounded by so many great people. I have great friends, great trading partners, great brothers in arms. Got Jason Bam, Chris, Brandon Jenkins, little Matthew who's growing up and

making his debut soon. Like there's just so much energy. Um, and so much energy and optimism I'm surrounded by in the day to day. And it's so hard to go into my fight to not feel energized, not feel excited, not feel optimistic and always looking for more people that have like minds, you know, add to the energy. But I'm just in a totally different spot. And I think I'm finally in fertile soil. But I feel like that Tupac poem

with the rose that grew from the concrete, like I was succeeding despite my surroundings and environment, but now I'm in fertile soil. I think, I know, I don't think I know the future's looking up. I can't even lie, man, just talking to you, I can feel this energy. It's hard not to be excited for you. It's hard not to be excited for you.

It's hard not to be happy for you to be optimistic about the future. So I really can, just through this Zoom call, feel what you are talking about. You mentioned you're not gonna be one of those fighters who has an identity crisis post fighting. So we were actually looking at your Instagram and we found a post of yours where it's you

and you're Photoshopped in with a bunch of your favorite characters from across the video games, across the TV shows, the movies that you watch. And I just kind of wanted to get a better look into why these people are inspirations to you and how they've implemented inspiration in your life like I see Shrek in there I see Apollo Creed I see a couple Futurama characters Mass Effect 2 I know that's your favorite video game like how did

they come to be and why do they inspire you? Well I think damn near all those characters beside maybe Zoidberg and Sam Wy Gamchi, they had a pivotal moment where they completely changed their path. And I feel like fighting, when I first discovered mixed martial arts, like that was the thing that changed. Like before I was going to do this, I was like, okay, I'm gonna go to school. I'm gonna be a lawyer, do family law, put in my 20, 30 years and then retire. And then I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the twilight of my life.

And then I discovered fighting. And I was like, you could do something, be passionate about it and be happy. And I just ran with it. And I thought that was like the pivotal moment. But I think the pivotal moment was the birth of my second daughter and realizing that I don't always have to be the class clown and that you can be the funny guy, but that shouldn't be all you are. And that there's nothing wrong with being passionate about something and failing. And you should be trying to strive and reach for the stars.

And even if you don't think you're going to reach them, the stars. And even if you don't think you're going to reach them, the efforts and the energy you put towards trying to reach those goals is worth it. Your life will be so much better if you aim high. So a lot of those characters, they have this great wound or this great trauma or this great guilt and they decided to let that change them. And I had guilt about losing my fight and I decided to let it change me. And I'm still I'm changing every day. We're always growing, we're always adapting. But yeah, most of those characters, you thought their life as we go a certain way was very deterministic. Every Freudian, this happened in your past, this is gonna be you in the future,

and I'm ignoring that. My past doesn't matter unless I decide it matters. Incredible breakdown of it. I was gonna ask, like, who has Sandor Clegane as like inspiration, like Uncle Iroh? I do have some Uncle Iroh in myself. Love making tea, so shout out to him. I did see one character on there though.

Mr. Samwise Gamshi, my co-host here, New York Rick, he is under the belief that Lord of the Rings is nothing more than a couple blokes just walking through the woods. That's all it is. The movies. All they do is walk, blah, blah, blah. Nothing good about it.

Why am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong. Why am I wrong about the movies? You are wrong, but explain to him why blah, blah, blah. Nothing good about it. Why am I wrong? Tell me I'm wrong. Why am I wrong? You are wrong, but explain to him why he's wrong, Jordan. Okay, so you're right and wrong, I think. So. Yes. I think, especially Lord of the Rings

and The Hobbit in particular, it is one of those things where it's like, does the journey matter more than the destination? Like I think of the Hobbit and the original title is there and back again. And I think it speaks to something at this core of like the masculine spirit. I feel like in every man, there's this desire to go on this grand adventure and to do crazy, difficult, chaotic things. And on the other side, a man wants to lay down roots.

He wants to build his kingdom. And those goals are diametrically opposed. So the dream of most men is to go on this dream, go on this like dream epic quest, to go there and to come back again, and then to, you know, build their kingdom, like to live that, to live both those lives. And I think one thing that makes the Lord of the Rings particularly timeless is the fact that Frodo and Sam, they go on this long walk from the Shire to Mordor and back. And they're the same people as opposed to like their adventure changed them. And they come back to the Shire and it's no different, but they are different.

They had both of those things that are central to like masculine development, the journey that caused that forced you to grow and then coming back home and everything being the same. So I feel like, yes, it is just a big journey, but I feel like life's just a big journey. We're just doing the same thing every day. It's monotonous when you're experiencing it. But looking back, it's like, dude, that was pretty epic. And I grew a lot. So I think it is just a walk. It's just a bunch of books about a bunch of movies where you're seeing these

beautiful scenic scenes, and then you go back home and you're like, damn, did I really do that? Bravo to give that breakdown off the cuff, just out of nowhere. Us just putting that on you. That was 10 out of 10. That was fantastic, off the cuff, just out of nowhere, us just putting that on you, that was 10 out of 10. That was fantastic, Jordan. Yeah, it was. And it took me mentally, as you were talking

about that kind of growth and development and them being different, even though they're the same, it took me to another Instagram post of yours. And I want to bring it up. You posted a picture of yourself in 2009, I believe it was. And you talked about the younger version of yourself being filled with this self-hate. And hopefully maybe you can talk more about that,

but what I'm interested in is if you could tell that kid, if you could say something to that person to reassure them or make them not feel that way, or to anybody else young out there who's feeling that same way and in that same spot, what would you say? What was that journey for you? You just talked about taking that journey and that growth.

What was that journey for you and what could you say to that person? What I would say to myself in that picture when I was young, when things were, you know, less optimal, so to speak, of not to get to it, to the weeds, but everyone always tells you to say like, oh, just tell them, just tell your friends that are suffering, that they're having a hard time,

that it gets better. And I don't think it gets better. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't, but you can decide to be better. And I would have told myself like, it'll probably get better, but if it doesn't, you can decide to be better. And I would have told myself like it'll probably get better, but if it doesn't, you can still be stronger. I used to have a lot of self-hate about various issues. I feel like a lot of teenagers, young people, young men, young women,

they have this aches, they have this sense of separation and isolation from those around them. And that kind of, that kind of shows up as self hate and anxiety. And I'm no different. And I think I really did not like who I saw looking back at me in the mirror until I was like 18 or 19. And I was like, you know what? I'm okay with that.

I was like 18 or 19 and I was like, you know what? I'm okay with that. But then I got older and dated some crazy people, dated some wonderful people. And I just didn't like myself. I didn't like where my path was leading. And I was a polysci major so we're always looking at like percentages. Like if a person had this background they they're going to vote this way. They're going to go this direction in their life. And I was like, okay, I had a single mom who wasn't in the home and I'm mixed race and I'm not married and I'm from this religious background. I really just saw my future.

I was like, dude, what's the point of even living, living this life? And you go to dark places when you think like that. And then I remember I met my wife and I was like, damn, this person really, this person's really is worth sticking around for this person is worth. Grow into a man that I'm happy to see when I look in the mirror. And really, she was like the catalyst that made me view myself in a more positive way. Because everyone was like a lot of people around me like, Oh, you're a good guy. You're this, you're this. They were saying all these positive things. But I didn't believe it.

And if you don't believe it, does't matter how much joy or happiness you bring those around you, you're still going to be miserable. And I just decided, you know, when I met my wife that I was going to be happy, happy at all costs, successful at all costs, be myself at all costs. And it took that leap of faith. But I discovered myself. And I started liking who I saw looking at me in the mirror. And I started being thankful for a lot of the things in my past that used to be my excuse for not succeeding.

So yeah, I would tell myself, yeah, it gets better, but if it doesn't, you could be better and that, and that'll be the same thing. That's powerful. Yeah, it gets better, but if it doesn't, you could be better and that'll be the same thing. That's powerful. So. These answers off the cuff, man. Jordan, this is a very special interview. We really appreciate the time you joined us. Just a couple here before we let you go. Our boy in the back, audio engineer Frank,

is a big fan of yours. He loves reading, loves video games, loves board games. And he asked us to tee him up to be able to ask you a question. So Frank, go ahead, man. Hey Jordan, Frank here in the back. What's up? I know that you read almost 90 books since your last fight

and we'd be remiss if we didn't ask you for a recommendation you could make to us. Oh, okay, this is exciting. I would do this very often. How long does it take you to read, by the way? I've become a big reader. I've read like eight books this year. I started a book club in my apartment, no big deal.

I'm not taking any credit or anything, no big deal. But like I read, but it takes me a minute to get through these books. I mean, I used like, I actually was a slow reader. I couldn't read until about fourth or fifth grade. And I hated reading because it showed it kind of exposed how stupid I was or uneducated I was at that age. And then I started reading in 2018, 2019. And now I read about 70 books a year. I was recommended one book in particular would be Blackwater by Michael McDowell. Michael McDowell passed away. He was an openly gay man from the South and he was writing in the seventies to nineties. And he, he writes the best Southern Gothic books of all time. Stephen King said that he was the best writer of paperback originals live at the time before

he passed away of age-related illness, I believe. The Black Water by Michael McDowell is a Southern Gothic family saga. It takes place over 50 years. And it's basically like, what would happen if the swamp thing infiltrated a family and kind of directed the future of this family across 50 years? And it's quite amazing. There's poor elements, there's so proper elements. It's a bunch of drama. It's mostly just people talking and gossiping. But it's my favorite book of all time. And I read that last year, so.

I got it pulled up on Amazon already. I'm about to place the order and read it. One last one before we let you go. I am a betting man myself. I use bet MMA tips. I know you've been asked this before, but I just have to make sure I always see Jordan Levitt profile popping up.

And I just checked in today just to see what was he on last weekend? I couldn't help but notice the Jordan Levitt profile was also on Jordan Levitt as well. Plus 152 units of profit. That isn't bad. Can you confirm whether this is you or not? Oh, oh I would never gamble. And good. That would be illegal and improper. But no, that guy actually did pretty good. I remember like when I was fighting Patty,

he was like, the odds that I wouldn't this, this percentage of the time, but I think I wouldn't this percentage of the time. So I'm gonna put this much on myself. I was like, damn, that man's more confident than I am. So, no, I wish. We don't, when you're in the- I was gonna say he had two units on you last week.

No, good pick. Everyone was picking me by decision. And I was like, maybe, but probably could get him out of there. Okay, so gonna let you out of here on this. You mentioned the Patty Pimblit fight. If the version of you that's here today, with the confidence, with the different lease on life,

was in that fight, what way does that go? Oh, if the me from today fought Patty, then I would have won. But the me from today fighting Patty today, I give him the edge. I'm being honest, I'm an evidence person. I need evidence. And when I fought Patty, I had like 10 fights, 10 pro fights. He had more than double by experience. Um, he had five rounders. Like, and you know, we're not going to get into the whole like stylistic glams supposed to lose and what have you, but I was a kid.

Like double, Jessica broke into double digit fights and I still perform very fairly well but I made a lot of mistakes and I wouldn't make those mistakes today but he wouldn't make the same mistakes as well he's much bigger much more physically imposing now like he's got more muscle bound he's avoided the boxing he basically just circumnavigated the boxing and she was just now he just kicks stays on the outside I wouldn't be I wouldn't be getting in on takedowns the same way But also I don't think he needs me in the head and take my back the same way either. So Yes, I would have you know

If we had similar experience, I think I would have trounced him but I didn't and this is the one playthrough on life I get so I'm not gonna dwell on through on life I get. So I'm not going to dwell on it, but I just have to win enough fights, keep getting bonus checks, keep stacking bodies. And maybe I'll get that rematch. And I guess we'll get to see. Well, we will be watching Jordan. We really appreciate you joining the show today, man.

Very excited to watch you in the future. 1-0 now. I'm very excited to see where it goes from there, man. Thanks so much watch you in the future. 1 and 0 now. I'm very excited to see where it goes from there, man. Thanks so much for joining us. Congratulations on the win. Congratulations on the second child. And we'll talk to you soon, man. Thank you, Jordan. Thank you guys for having me. Man, what a conversation.

What a fascinating man. I feel like every time we have a guest on, they just impress us more and more. Yeah. We continue to have these guests that I think there's just so many more layers to some of these guys, and I understand why. My favorite thing of this sport, the reason I got into this sport was watching Ariel talk to these guys and learn more about them. And the more we continue to learn about these fighters,

I just think there's so much more to them. And obviously, there's gonna be degrees to that. A guy like Jordan Levitt, there is just so much there. There's just so much to peel back that onion and kind of get to. And he's willing to let you go there. Oh, he'll talk about it. That's the best part. He talks about his lack of confidence. He talks about like giving himself out and making excuses for losses and, or having pre-built in excuses for losses. I'm so like, I'm blown away. When I saw that article with Alex Behunen where he admitted, like, I'm now shifting into taking my career seriously,

I was like, holy shit. Like, that is a crazy thing to say. Because I have to admit, from the outside, I looked at him as this, like, kind of like eclectic character. He's got the charisma. But like, can he actually fight? I was thinking he's going to beat Patty Pimblitt. He doesn't.

Then I go, oh, maybe he's not. Like, him saying, yeah, that was me. But this is a completely different story. He's got the charisma, but can he actually fight? I was thinking he's gonna beat Patty Pimblitt. He doesn't. Then I go, oh, maybe he's not. Him saying, yeah, that was me, but this is a completely different guy is kind of powerful, especially from somebody who's so self-reflective like he is. I'm really excited about what he does next.

Truly excited about what he does next. Yeah, I can't wait. And I would imagine we're not gonna get as long as the layoff as the 19 months. It sounds like he wants to get in there. But the 19 months were necessary it seems like. How about him saying like, if I was this guy I beat Patty that night,

but maybe Patty, I think Patty might beat me now because he's seen improvements in Patty. I was just about to say, I was gonna follow up with what about Patty today? Patty from that night you beat, Patty from today, how do you feel? And he answered it himself. What a fascinating dude.

Unlike anybody I've quite seen, maybe there's other people out there but I really enjoyed that chat a lot Jordan Leva joins the squad of an official boy in the background Frankie's first interview question. Nailed it Frankie. You nailed it. The way that you guys sync up like that is uncanny. Yeah. Are you gonna read Blackwater? Absolutely. Are you gonna read it too? Yeah. Stephen King's favorite author? I'm gonna say offer. Michael McDowell. Yeah. Michael McDowell.

Michael McDowell is also a NASCAR driver. Shout out. That's right. Shout out. Don't make me think. Same guy, right? Yeah, it actually is. Also, we got a little confirmation, not the better, you know? Not the better.

We knew that though. We've asked that before. I just always think it's hilarious every fight week that Jordan Leavitt fights. The Jordan Leavitt account bets on Jordan Leavitt. So you before. I just always think it's hilarious every fight week that Jordan Levitt fights. The Jordan Levitt account bets on Jordan Levitt. So you can go on the tab and it's like, who bet on Jordan Levitt? Jordan Levitt.

But obviously it is not him. All right, let's go back to this weekend. Let's do our bets. We'll do the Parlay Pals, we'll do my bets. And then we gotta run the old Venezuelan fight feast that we all did this past weekend. The highly controversial No, no, no.

Queens of Rapoparty. Recap from last weekend, I won like 0.3 units. Parlay Pals hit, but it was just me and Rick's pick. So like it's all mood at that point. It's tough. It is tough, thank you, Connor. Parlay Pals this weekend. Boys, I've already gotten Pizzeria Carol's pick.

What are we going? Oh yeah. The challenger, Kayla Harris. Boys, I've already gotten Pizzi Carrol's pick. What are we going? Hell yeah. The challenger, Kayla Harris. Oh. Whoa. He fills in for Julianna Pena on the Parlay Pals and bets against her. This is bad for him. This is bad for him.

Do we veto it? I don't have governing power to veto it. Ugh, we could. But the amount that he's lost, the amount that he's put the Parlay Pals name out there and not come through for us and now he does this, if and when Juliana Pena wins on Saturday, Pizzi Carrol's place in the Parlay Pals is on the line.

Yeah, I think Juliana has to come back. The champion, Juliana. Man, that's rough. All right, okay. All right, so together here's minus 800, minus 700, whatever it is, great, great pick, Pizzi. We really appreciate that, man, that's rough, all right, okay. All right, so together here's minus 800, minus 700, whatever it is, great peg, Pizzi, we really appreciate that, man. Yeah, thanks, Pizzi.

Thanks so much for that one, that's really gonna boost the odds. All right, Frank, you'll go first, Rick, second, I will go third. Be-do-do-do-do. Sorry, I was in the randomizer while I was shitting on Pizzi. It's all good. I'm gonna go with Kevin Holland,

I'm gonna take a money line and I'm going to collect the money at the end of this. All right, you're banking on a motivated Kevin Holland. Yeah. All right. I will go. Wait, do we, no, is it me or you?

I'll go, I'll go. This is why we gotta respect the randomizer. Didn't we used to have music under this? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we used to have like the intent. Hey, Ariel, welcome to the show. I will take the much anticipated prospect, undefeated 36 year old Osmott Merzikana. I like how you teed that up. Osmott Merzikana on my pick. To you.

I'm also gonna take a highly touted prospect. Joe Piper. Shout out, shout out. We're all taking big favorites. Yes. I mean they're all big favorites on this fucking card. We need a win according to DraftKings. That's plus 127 on the parlay.

There's the graphic. Eight and 17. Starting to get them back. We wouldn't get the green, but we'd do some damage if we could. We really didn't even make a dent in that. We won like.96. We won like.96. Oh shit. All right, let's run through my bets real quick. Not a ton, but worth going through. First up, polar bear money line, baby. We support our own Action Bronson. His favorite fighter is Sergey Spivak, so I will riding with them use the wrestling Sergey don't box take him down the only

time Waldo Cortez Acosta lost in the UFC was against Marco Rogerio Delimi got taken down three times in that one do the same Sergey do the same make action proud out there next up patchy mix I'm gonna lay the juice I think the debutant gets it done in his first UFC bout. I just don't think he's going to accept positions against the fence. I think he can hold his own in the striking. I think he's just too advantageous on the ground.

And I wouldn't be surprised if he's able to finish Mario Bautista in there and skyrocket into the top 10 of the UFC rankings. Next up, get out of here, Pizzi. Let's go. Get out of here, Pizzi. You're go. Get out of here, Pizzi. You're giving me four to one on the champ? You were giving me four to one.

Giuliana, if you're watching, I know you're watching. Yeah, you're plus 550 now. This shows your boy's been 10 toes down for about a week now, plus 460. I don't need the better price. I don't want it. You keep it, Vegas. It's free money anyway.

You keep it, you keep it. And still, baby, and still come Saturday night, Julian Opinion, and then to the main event, we talked about it. I'm gonna go with Maradon Vosvila to get it done by decision. 12 fight win streak, 11 of them have come by decision. Sean O'Malley is a tough dude.

I don't see him getting him out of there, but I don't think Sean O'Malley's closed the gap enough to overcome this. If he does, it would be an incredible accomplishment. Two quick parlays for you. Some anchors, Azamat Merzikanov and Joshua Vann. Throw them in there with Kevin Holland. Both of y'all's picks actually. Frank's pick Kevin Holland and then the next one, Joey P., Joe Pfeiffer, B. Joe Pfeiffer.

There it is. Those are my picks for UFC 316 which goes down this weekend in Newark, New Jersey co-main event, Kayla Harrison versus the Venezuelan Vixen. So for that reason, all of us, me, you, Andy, Frank, Jordan, we all got together, went out to Queens. Who, me? The invite was there. The invite was there.

And I tried. That's fucking bullshit. Wow, Frank is back. Killing it. Killing it. Asking your first interview question, firing on the drops. I tried Venezuelan food for the first time ever. I had never had an arepa.

I'll be totally honest with you. Could not have done it without Andy. She was our guide. Venezuelan food from the Arepas Cafe. Please enjoy. UFC 316 going down this weekend in Newark, New Jersey, main event, Sugar Sean O'Malley versus Marab,

the Valle de Chivili, we're not worried about that because the co-main event is Kayla Harrison versus the Venezuelan Vixen. I don't know anything about Venezuelan food, but it's the perfect time for the debut of director Andy on Fight Feast. I'm super excited to have you guys finally here eating the best food in the world.

So episode 22 of Fight Feast. Vamanos! Almost got hit by a scooter there. Y'all see the jersey? Venezuela? Shout out to Ronna Cunha! Is there anybody else want Café con Leche? Café con Leche? Me da porfa frescolita, me da tres. Oh, el que quiero que prueben es el Baby Shark. Okay no, si queremos con Baby Shark.

Porfa. Perfecto, no hay problema. Perfecto. All right, we're starting with Frescolita. Could not be more in love with this can. I haven't tried it yet. Perfect. Love the can, love the flavor. Now we got Malton. This is root beer? This is like root beer, yes. It's like an acquired taste, but very, very popular in Venezuela. Like we have it everywhere. Mmm. This is not root beer.

Yeah, this is a little bit more intense. I see the acquired taste. Yeah, yeah, wow. The nervous laugh. Oh my God. That's how they sell it. Where we grew up. Like they're that big.

You're like, how do I bite this thing? Safe space. Never had Norepa. Don't think I've ever had any Venezuelan food. FaceTime to the champ incoming. Will she answer? Champ unavailable. Let's leave a message.

Juliana, what's good? We got Rick here. We got Andy. We're trying Venezuelan food. I just had some frescalitos. Great. I ought to try baby shark. Sorry we missed you. And still this weekend. Okay so these are tequenos. These are what people refer to as like our mozzarella sticks. They're not. They're so good but they do have a lot of hot cheese in them. So careful when you bite in. Okay so this is just cheese in here?

This is just cheese, yeah. Okay here we go. So put a little on. Yeah, take a bite. Burn yourself. Fantastic. I mean, how could you possibly not like this? Come on. Oh, cheese explosion. Told you.

So these are mini empanadas. We got a combination of them. So one of them will have shredded beef. We don't know which one, because they're not labeled. This is roulette. This is empanada roulette. One of these has baby shark in it. They're all gonna be good, yes. Two of them have baby shark in them. So there's your chances.

One of them has cheese, the other one has chicken, the other one has shredded beef. We've had kangaroo on fight feast. Now we try baby shark. I'm just gonna grab this one. Okay. You want to go for one to see if you can find it? Yeah man. Let's go for it. Here we go. I'm gonna go no sauce first. Alright, cheers. I think I got one.

I don't think this is baby shark. The cheese is unbelievable. I was like, this is too good for this to be baby shark. Let's see what it looks like on the inside. Oh, yeah. Pretty good. All right, I'm going to dip. Baby shark.

Here we go. First time ever having shark. Here we go. First time. Shark. Tastes like seafood. seafood tastes like good seafood I like baby shark more than I liked kangaroo in terms of exotic animals alright that's chicken for sure I actually like the baby shark better than the chicken okay okay interesting this interesting. This one's definitely beef. That's beef for sure.

Number one? Beef is number one. Okay. Beef, cheese, baby shark, chicken. You should try the hot sauce. Okay. Might be very spicy. What is this, like habanero? Pretty spicy! It's pretty spicy. That is quite spicy.

Uh, but it's good. It's good. It's kind of sweet a little bit too. Empanadas in the books. Love them. Baby shark. We did it. I can sing that song completely differently now. Because I ate a baby shark. This looks insane. Sour cream on the side? Mystery white sauce. Sour cream-ish sounds better than mystery white sauce. Everybody in for

this one what do we got here? This is a cachapa. I got the traditional one which just has cheese on it. You can cut it up into bits. We can all try it out. I would grab some of the nata and just kind of like pour it on top. So what is on the outside? I see corn in there. It's like a corn pancake, yes.

So it's kind of sweet, kind of salty. Corn pancake stuffed with cheese. Yes. All right, man, like look at this cheese on the inside. All right. Pour a little bit on top. Moving a little bit slower than I was anticipating. All right, how many more do I need?

One, two, three, one more for Frank. With his hands, and there's the four right next to him. Oh, you're like, I like to pour it all over you. Dabbing each one eventually. Sorry, Frank. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. I know, I'm really starting to mangle this thing. All right, here's four though. Frank're right. You're right. I know I'm really starting to mangle this thing. Yeah. All right. Here's four though

Frank thank you. Thank you. Let's get one. Yeah Are you shitting me? Excuse my language? You're the worst man. This is literally the worst. This is what it's like every day of our lives together. I'm just gonna do this. Let's try this again here we go. I'm gonna need a fork here. Yeah yeah yeah give it a go give it a go. You really didn't wait for a second one. Alright we're all going at the same time. I mean can we talk about the cheese there. Alright here we go one two three. What I envisioned it to be is incredible That's a really good one A++, my favorite thing My favorite so far Incredible, no words Shoutout The national dish of Venezuela, right? That's correct, so this is pabellón criollo

This has fried plantains, rice, black beans and shredded beef This is getting sloppy, we're we need two forkfuls here oh the plantain is so good shredded beef's amazing the cheese on the black beans might be the same shredded beef that you had in the empanada i would not be surprised and make sense love them both yeah oh yeah really moist. Lots of flavor, lots of spices. So good. All right, last dish. Maybe the most important one, arepas, arepas cafe.

What do we got here? Classic, classic. So this is fernil, this has pork, avocado, cheese it looks like. This one right here is shredded beef with yellow cheese. Okay. Gura I think is what that is, it's so good. And then this one is a chicken salad.

So it's got mayo, avocado, shredded chicken. Cold chicken salad. Cold chicken salad. And then it has avocado and cheese in there as well. All three of these right up my alley. And this is how we serve them in Venezuela. Like if you go to an establishment and they give it to you this big, that's a good place.

That's a good place to go. If they give it to you tiny, not a lot of filling. Now is this something you eat on the go or you sit down and eat it at a table? I mean you should eat it on the go if you can but I mean look at it, right? Like you gotta go in with a fork. I'm gonna go in with a fork on mine. Oh man. I'm speechless. That's incredible Mmm pork you said?

Mm-hmm Rick told me the pernil is amazing. It's unbelievable. Shut up Frank. I almost choked. I almost choked on the pernil. It's all good. We're alright.

Oh with the melted cheese. The first bite is a battle. You gotta really unhinge the jaw to get that first bite. That's why you go in with the pork for a little bit and then you get the other bite. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it.

I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to eat it. the cheese. The first bite is a battle. Yeah. You gotta really unhinge the jaw get that first bite. That's why you go in with a fork for a little bit and then you got the other bite. Tried beef, another winner. Knew I was gonna love it. Chicken salad.

Gotta work through the beef first. Can't lie, I'm starting to get full. This is a whole plate in like another bite. Alright one last time. Warm the old job. Chicken salad. Am I about to eat a half avocado in one bite here? There we go. There we go, smash it down a little bit. Love the chicken salad. Okay. Hot sauce is hotter than I remember it being. Frank, let me know I have some stuff in my beard.

You have a little bit in your beard. Was this a cussard Free Fifeese? Have we made it that far? My parents are gonna be so proud. Rankings, the pork, the chicken salad, the beef. Interesting, I haven't gotten to this one yet. Please try it, it's amazing. Frank, please try.

I think I'm one, two, three. One, two, three. I'm not sure, this is amazing. All of them are incredible. If I come back, this is, when I come back, this is the one. All right, favorite time of the meal for me dessert tres leches haven't had this since the Mexican fight piece like a year ago what do we have here this is like a seed you some people call this plan it's one of the things that we bring to like every

birthday party there's like a cake there's jello there's this so I hope you like it all right it's got a little it's got a little jiggle to it yeah little gelatinous caramel some rum in there. A rum, let's go, turn up, here we go. It's good, I know I'm gonna like the Tris-Elechers better. Tris-Elechers is my favorite, I'll swap with you. Tris-Elechers is like the goat of all goat desserts. It's unbelievable, nothing else is bad.

10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. It might be my favorite dessert ever. I love it every time I have it, which is now twice. Both times I've had it. I love it. All right, I thought we were done. One last thing.

What do we have here? I have to get one last thing. This is one of my favorite things. This is a chicha. It's like a rice drink that has condensed milk in it and cinnamon. Super sweet, but super good. Oh yeah, it's like thick. dense milk in it and cinnamon. Super sweet but super good. Oh yeah it's like thick. It almost, Frank's been calling for a milkshake all day. Like it almost has the consistency of like, it almost feels like I'm drinking soft serve. And sometimes if you get

it with the actual rice in, you'll get like little bits of rice that top in there. It's, I mean it's incredible. It literally is like a vanilla milkshake. So good. I think this is going to go in the top three of things I had today. I'm glad you got this. This is incredible. Do you want to straw it? I'm done with it. So yeah, you can straw it. I guess not. You want to try something? You guys are going to want to try this.

It's fun. Oh yeah. That's pretty incredible. I drink this every night if I... Come on, yes. We just cannonballed the chicha as a team. Team bombing. Shout out. Alright, that is it for Venezuelan food. I am stuffed.

We had toqueños, we had arepas, we had... Chapas, we had pabellon, and then they brought out the quesillo, they brought out the fresleches, chicha, frescolita, malta, we had everything. Andy, I can't thank you enough. I would have been so lost. You've been a beautiful roadmap. Venezuelan food, love it. I think there was maybe other than the malton, the root beer-esque thing. I think other than that, I loved everything.

So Andy, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Frescolito, rellenu de. Maybe we'll get a text or something from Juliana or whatever. I mean, she's busy, the champ, you know, whatever. No big deal. I mean, it's whatever, no big deal, no big deal. There it was, Fight Fee's Venezuelan food. Have to first and foremost thank director Andy. Could not have done that without her.

Would have absolutely been lost. Did you say quote Frank? I certainly did. She can't just be the goat. Come on man. She's also a goat. She's a goat. Thank you Andy.

That was incredible. First time trying a rapes. Will not be the last time that I have Venezuelan food. We were in very good hands. And we have to give a shout out to our Rapes Cafe. Like that place was incredible. Shout out, a Rapes Cafe in Queens. It took incredible care of us.

But yes, thank you to Andy for organizing everything and making it as good as it could be. Nice people, fantastic food. Yeah. Yeah. Highly recommend. So happy, fantastic food. Yeah. Yeah. Highly recommend. So happy you guys enjoyed it. Oh yeah. I think we gave Julianna Pena some good luck.

As it said in the credits, I took home all the leftovers because we really enjoyed it. Good job bringing something home for your wife there, Jordan, pregnant wife. She should have shown up. Wow, ruthless, ruthlessless Jordan Kamza. All right, so we did that ahead of UFC 360 this weekend, which takes place in New Jersey,

which brings us to our pound for pound rankings. Best jerseys. Love it. New Jersey, best jerseys. Oh. Jerseys. Oh no. That's clever. What's the order, brother? I don't like that tone because that tells me we're in for a very interesting pound, best oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh to Connor and we'll have Rick finish us off. Nice.

Yep, Frank, just go ahead and take it away. Go ahead, man. Do we not have music? I feel like we usually have music. All right, dude, what is wrong with you? We need music for this. My number five. There used to be a sound effect. Call it house.

I don't even, okay. My number five is a throwback when the Pittsburgh Steelers used to wear what is akin to like almost a bumblebee, maybe even like something you would wear in prison. But they still had the gold and the black and I just can't imagine like being the opposing team and then just seeing you know, eleven guys come out there all dressed like that and you're like damn Gotham FC Yes, the chain gang fuck. These are these are fire. I love these. I love them It's not to say their current ones aren't cool like the logo is cool, but this is just Jesus old school

Do you know like years on some of this like do you know when this is from when they wore this dude? I just found out that this is called American football. So we're not cooking with gas. They wore those several times during Ben Roethlisberger. I want to say there's been a couple where it was- So was it like a throwback? Did they wear it originally and then they brought it back? Or was that- They had it in the throwback rotation.

Okay, yeah, yeah, I like that. I think they wore it when it was Ben, Brown, and Bell. Le'Veon Bell and- These are player names. Ben Ross-Lisberger, yeah, but they were the killer Bs and then they would wear those. Yeah, those are sick. Those are really good.

So coming in at number four, this one's just personal to me, but it's gotta be University of Texas's own Longhorns. The burnt orange, got the little minimalist, you know, Longhorn on there. I love how some teams are like, it's already on the helmet, we don't need it on the jersey. And the Longhorns are like, fuck that, there's tradition.

We're putting the Longhorn on there. Again, the burnt orange, I don't know of any other team that's done that. I didn't spend any time looking into if anyone else has done it, but it speaks to me. It's a great color, hook them. Yeah, Miami's is kind of orange like that. It's orange, but that's a burnt orange.

They left that one on the stove for sure. Hook'em. All right, so then number three, it's your own Toronto Raptors. I love it because I love dinosaurs. I also love the play on the name because a raptor I think is actually a bird. A velociraptor is the dinosaur,

and we now know they didn't look anything like that. Like they had feathers and shit. Hold on, hold on. What? Velociraptor is a dinosaur, but raptor is a bird? Raptor refers to like a family of birds. So we're, I don't know the exact genealogy here, but yeah. Have I been lied to my whole life? I don't know. I'm not getting into this one. The important part is we are twice removed from what a Raptor should be, and they're like, we're sticking it on the jersey anyway. Look at him, he's cute. Toronto, I think it's cool.

Yeah, it's like a, yeah, at this point, it's almost a cryptid, which I think is sick. Coming in at number two, we're going all the way back to Pittsburgh to show some love to the Pittsburgh Penguins, because what is not better than a penguin with a hockey stick on a team that has been able to crush it time and time again? Number two.

Lemieux, I'm talking about you. You're going more classical, you're going more traditional. Yeah, I like that vibe though. Oh, I mean, you know, there's room for everything, but there's only room for one number one and that is ultimately the Detroit Red Wings. I'm sorry, made famous by Cameron and Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but I was a low-key, a big Red Wings fan in the 90s, Sergey Fedorov, The Goat, I love it. So that's my list, top five jerseys.

Can I just? Can you shit on it? Yeah, go ahead. No, no, love the list, not going to shit on it. I would just suggest humbly that the Detroit Red Wings made the Detroit Red Wings jersey famous, not Cameron from Ferris Bueller. That's just my humble opinion.

The dynasty back in the day. When I say made famous, I don't mean like the only source of fame has come from Cameron. I'm saying, you know what? It's not Cameron's day. Words matter, Frank, words matter. Actually, to that point, the hot take about Ferris Bueller is that it's not Cameron's words matter Frank words matter actually to that point the The hot take about Ferris Bueller is it's actually Cameron is sick, and he's having a fever dream imagining his friend Ferris doing all of this

So in reality is Cameron's day off. Oh good Thanks great movie where do we all fall on Ferris Bueller? I'm a big fan. We brought him up in Chicago It was great. We were talking about John. He was in the control room earlier. We all agreed that he was the goat so I don't I don't think we got there, but we all did Yeah, you were like the biggest John Hughes fan. Who's next Frank? That would be you sir. Okay. All right number five Take it back. Most of mine are gonna be throwbacks. Most of mine are they're not traditional Okay, I like I like those the staples, but you see them too much. I like the alternates.

Number five, 90s ducks, the mighty ducks. And this is like one of those jerseys, you're gonna see it a couple of times. The purple and the teal with the logo, like the hockey mask logo that looks like a duck is just fantastic. On the ice, it pops, it looks good. And it's one of those jerseys that's so good, home and away, looks fantastic. On the ice, it pops, it looks good. And it's one of those jerseys that's so good,

home and away, looks fantastic. The white edition of them is also just as gorgeous. It's a rare jersey. I mean, look at that. Home and away, it looks fantastic. Can I give you a hot take? Yeah. The Disney Ducks jersey is better than the real Ducks jersey.

The Disney Ducks jersey is cool. I think it's similar to the Penguins though. Yeah, I think it's all right. I think it's all right. I like the actual one that was played in the NH. Color combo is so sick. Fantastic color combination. That's very important to me.

Design, scheme, everything like that. That's why it takes us to number four, Nigerian National Team World Cup 2018 jersey. One of the best jerseys I have ever seen. Absolutely gorgeous. Nigeria always has fantastic international team kits. I liked this one so much. I was a big Kamaru Usman fan at the time.

Nigerian Nightmare. I got a custom one of these, just number one, and the last name was Nightmare. That's how much I liked it. Is the shorts that he's wearing part of the kit as well? No, that's like custom. They did a whole like magazine spread of all the things. You can get sick jackets, pants, like it's almost like a fashion shoe when it comes to the Nigerian national team. This is gnarly.

It's fantastic with the Nike on the chest too. It's all time. Number three, I'm actually taking one out of your book, Frankie. 90s NBA, the Purple Raptors. It's so good, it's so good. Vince Carter, all right, there's the white ones, very similar to the Ducks, looks fantastic on the white, looks fantastic on the purple. Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady, doing the dunk contest, hitting them with the it's over,

the Raptors 90s jersey, I mean that right there is just like bad, is the fact that that man is playing in an NBA game at the highest level. It's fantastic. The whole 90s scheme, the Jazz, the Hawks, the Nuggets, the Raptors, the Magic, like that was the top tier. Now they're coming out with like City Edition this, City Edition that, wearing it in the playoffs. When I saw the Nuggets were in the 5280 jerseys in the playoffs, I was like I'm out. I'm out. When you think of these jerseys, do you think of specific players in them? Hawks, Matumbo, Carter for the Raptors, Shaq for

the Magic, John Stockton for the Jazz. When I was doing this exercise, I was like, this person in this jersey. That was how my head went. Number two, we go back to soccer. We go back to international soccer. We go back to World Cup jerseys, 1998, Mexican national team, all-timer. Oh, with the green, the red ringlets, the Aztec design, the collar. It's so good.

It's so good. It is absolutely fantastic. See it in action too. It looks just as good. I mean, that's just, all time, it is absolutely fantastic. See it in action too, it looks just as good. I mean, that's just, oh, all time, all time, man. 90s were just good times for jerseys, man. That was just, it was loud, it was like brash, it was, I mean, I'm wearing a 1997 Marlins World Series,

even the championship gear used to be better back in the day. I think it was the simplicity, bright colors, design. Simplicity, but loud too. Yeah, loud, but simple. I feel like we've gotten too complicated now on stuff. That leads me to my number one absolute no-brainer here. Oh.

I actually got one myself. Legends are made in this one, and that is the jerseys for the ultimate fighter, baby. Oh yeah, woo, tough jerseys. Yeah, look at these things, they're fire. Fuck. Sick, man.

Oh, fuck. I'm gonna leave here, look at that. Ah, there's our girl. That's fucking fire. Oh, that's sick, everyone remembers that. What season is this one that you're wearing from? That was Tough 30, this is Tough 31. This is Team McGregor, I think it says it on the back.

Oh yeah, it does. Yeah, Team McGregor on the back. I mean, I think I got a couple more picks that are just like, ah, look at Volk, bro. The drip is crazy. This shit is sick, dude. This is fire. Ah, Team Rashad back in the day?

I've been looking for one of these for a minute. This shit is sick, dude. This is fire. Aw, Team Rashad back in the day? I've been looking for one of these for a minute. This shit is sick. I do have a BJ Penn one somewhere in my house. Gotta pull that out, man. That's swag right there. Oh, man. That's sick shit. That's fantastic.

That is truly fantastic. I mean, look at this. I got the shirt to go with it. It's so good. That's not my real number one. Fuck the top traces. It's the worst thing ever created my real number one. Fuck the top jerseys, the worst thing ever created. Real number one.

Oh, Chargers powder blues, baby. If you know, you know. Some of you younger kids are gonna be like, oh, that's what they wear all the time, but I come from an era, like this is what you get all the time, it's just like, yep. The reason they wear these all the time now

is because fans bullied them into making them their normal jerseys. I come from an era that's right here. LT, 2006. Sean Merriman, we had him on the show earlier this week. You would get these once, maybe twice a year, 30 touchdown season, 2,300 all purpose yards. These would come out and they were still playing in San Diego at the time. The Chargers, powder blues, special, special jersey.

So good that they got bullied into making them their permanent ones. What a, what an inspired choice. Oh yeah. Because my number five. Oh, is the San Diego Chargers powder blue jerseys. All timers. All timers.

I wanted to start with United. Oh, United. I want to start with, look at the yellow with the combo, the powder blue. I mean, it's just timeless. It's just perfect. I'm not like a big traditionalist guy. Like I'm not like the guy that like hammers traditionalism,

but there are few cooler things than like seeing a picture of Johnny United and he's wearing essentially the same uniform as Justin Herbert. Yeah. Like when you see old Packers, look at that Antonio Gates LT. I pick different eras right because this is more the traditional the bolts a little bit different. Reebok Day. But the key is that

powder blue shout out to the Chargers powder blue. I was describing this to Frank the other day. Yeah. The only thing I ever think of is LT with the black visor. Just incredible. Legendary player, my favorite. Was a big fan of him coming out of TCU and he killed it in the league. Number four. I don't have to say much cause we all share this one. 90s Raptors, baby.

Shout out. Shout out to the Toronto Raptors. Oh, look at T-Mac. Look at like a million bucks. I also have a picture of Vince and T-Mac. I think it's actually the same one as you. A little, a little higher res. You know, I went to Getty and sent it to, to Jerry. Uh, looks good in the purple, looks good in the white,

the Raptor on the front. Although I guess I have to call it a velociraptor. Cause if I say Raptor, it might be a bird. The Raptors from the nineties. Number three, this one's like you, this one's very specific. Like you picked a specific year of that league team in soccer Night, let's go. Let's time travel back to 1996. Okay, and we're gonna go to San Antonio, Texas Oh shit, and we're gonna go to the NBA All-Star game

To the 96 Jersey the teal joint Teal joint this is a great call Uh, this is a great call. This is a great call by the way. Also, I mean, just look at that All-Star team. Like, they got some bangers on here. And the other squad was actually stacked too. 96 was a great year for it. This is another one of those jerseys.

Looks good in white too. Oh, MJ. MJ. MJ in the San Antonio 96. The pepper on there. The color on this one is just next level. The font, everything about this, I love to death. I picture Michael Jordan in it.

I wonder if it's like a generational thing, like we love it and like a 14 year old would be like, that shit is hideous. Nah. But it's so good. Mitchell and Ness has made a lot of money being like, nah, this is actually legit. Yeah.

Number two, we're staying 90s NBA. I feel like, as you mentioned, it was just an iconic era. Orlando magic pinstripes. Oh, so good. And it's back. And it's back, but we'll start. Oh, the white. I mean, look at the warmup.

First of all, I mean, just an incredible warmup, but you see Shaq in this joint and the key to this one, can we, can we or two pictures? This one. The key to this, look at the short, the star outline cuts into the star. It's just a perfect pair of shorts. That's my favorite pair of basketball shorts. I have some great Cavs ones. The 90s Cavs had a great look. Your Hawks had some great looks in the 90s. And I'm telling you, a hallmark of a great uniform is it looks good home or away. White or blue, yes. Home or away.

And the Orlando Magic have that. All right, number one, no brainer. The challenge, free agents. The best jersey that's ever been done. Right here. Also, I mean, look at this lineup right here. We got Johnny Banana, Sam's Beard. None of these people these

people might as well be strangers walking off the street the Jersey is just like to write their name on the white spot like oh you know what you know what Frank it's funny you mentioned that because typically the talent jerseys don't have but on the back Frank we got Frank and he's got Frank on his ass

north backward huh so we've got Frank this was this was one of the seasons that they actually put. This was interesting. Sometimes they have, most of the times they have names. Never do they have numbers. This year they assigned them random numbers and to this day nobody knows what the numbers are. That's 2024? No, no, no, no. Did you picture what you saw? No, no, no, no.

I was like, holy. Why did they put the name on the butt though? Sometimes the jerseys didn't have names and so they branded everything. I think this was one of the first years that Under Armour came on but anyway if you wear that jersey you are an elite competitor in the hardest sport that's ever been created and shout out to the challenge and that year free agents had the best jerseys of all challenges. Ben Davis actually hit me up yesterday and

challenged me on the bike. I was like, when you come in and do your post challenge interview. Do we need to have Ben in studio? I feel like we need to have Ben in studio. That's what we'll do when we, when we, when we have them on post challenge. Um, great lists, great lists all around.

Um, honorable mentions. Yeah, there's a lot. Uh, Atlanta Thrasher's, Chicago Blackhawks Red edition, uh, Hartford whalers, Eagles, Kelly green, Houston oilers. Fantastic. Jazz nineties. We mentioned, uh, baseball mariners like Ken

Griffey mariners, like teal and silver fire, uh, Marlins teal pen stripe. Absolutely elite. Uh, diamond backs purple back in like the Randy Johnson days. And then I have a couple pictures of like Hawks 90s elite with the Dikembe Mutombo. So good, so good. I feel disrespectful for this not making my list but it's so good. Fiorentina, Florence's, Sir A team, their 7-Up jerseys. It's like half white, half purple.

And the sponsor was 7-Up. It's like an incredibly rare soccer jersey at this point, all-timer. That's a great one. Netherlands. Just the orange. 1988 though. Oh.

So good. Oh. So good, dude. With the captain's armband being the Netherlands flag, fantastic. Denmark 1986, USA 94 World Cup. There's so many so many good jerseys. Soccer's got great jerseys. You can legit go through every 90s NBA jersey. Cavs, Grizzlies, Jazz, Sun, Sonics, like Pistons, that that teal Pistons. All them are sick. The 90s jerseys just cannot be topped.

Underrated one, I wish I had gotten a photo of it because it's the only one that you kind of can't like instantaneously remember if you're about our age. Miami Sharks from any given Sunday, murdered, just black out, white stripe, zero pop. It's just straight black because they didn't want to license anything it was incredible shout out to the Miami Sharks from any given Sunday and Jimmy Fox says Willie Beeman all-time performance shout out shout out all right those are the best jerseys Frank do we have any voicemails?

Voicemails! There it is I guess not. Oh. What's up boys? I don't know about this massive mailman. Think he's a fraud. Wow.

Mailman beef. Hunter the mailman. Whoa. Mailman on mailman. Yeah, okay. I love you boys. Have a good one. we love you too what is that honey just call them at the mailman hold on Matt the mailman we'll see if Matt has a clap back but mailman on mailman crime oh is that do you think he's skeptical he doesn't think he delivers mail you know you know hi boys it's Noah again. Long time listener, second time caller.

What's up, Noah? Merch idea. Okay. Talk about it this episode. I need all three of y'all's faces on a shirt. All right. Invoided, really good quality. Shut up, shut up.

The boys in the back, Buggle on the back. Give me it in black, give me in all the colors. I need a signed one from all three of you boys. Also, the UFC 317 poster just dropped. And usually they suck. But I think this poster is fire. I'm with you. You got Zillia with the Jordan flag behind him.

You got Charles with the Brazilian flag behind him. Same thing for the co-man, it's gas. Also, Waffle House orders. Frank, GC, New York Rick, let me know. I'm a triumph and I'll come back with you guys with the review. Yes sir, Ariel, the bills suck, go Ravens. Okay.

What the fuck is that? Shout out, shout out. I like the merch idea. We go three on the front, embroidered, and then the logo on the back screen shot or screen printed. I just looked up the 317 poster. It's not bad.

It's not bad. It's not bad comparatively. See, we were talking about Waffle House just the other day and I didn't remember what I actually even ordered there because I thought it was like a chicken and waffle spot and you're like nah, it's just like a breakfast spot. Yeah. So I don't even remember. It's like a diner.

Shout out. Love Waffle House. Sorry, we're not giving you orders because we really just like a breakfast-y spot. Yeah. So I don't even remember. It's like a diner. Shout out, love Waffle House. Sorry, we're not giving you orders because we really, just like eggs and waffles. It's all good? All-star breakfast, chocolate chip waffle, blueberry if they still offer at your location, two eggs scrambled, then I'll go bacon and sausage, toast on the side, done.

Get that. All-star special for sure. Cup of coffee on the side, come on now. I don't think I've ever been there sober. If you don't want the all-star special for sure. Cup of coffee on the side, come on. I don't think I've ever been there, so. If you don't want the all-star special, get one of the breakfast sandwiches, Texas toast, bacon, egg, cheese, it's fantastic. You know in Texas we just call it toast?

Mm, classic, classic. Boys, question. What's up, brother? What were you guys like in high school? Just out of curiosity, Connor, you kind of seem like you might have been either one extreme or another. What were you guys like in high school just out of curiosity Connor you kind of seem like you Might have been either one extreme or another by that. I mean like Theater nerds last jock, you know

Everybody knows who you are fairly popular Rick seems like he was a theater nerd as well Movie club something like that pretty decently popular Frank seems like he was the asshole in high school who knew everything who when somebody be like, oh, you know This is this answer Frank would be like erm Actually, it's this Sounds like Frank sounds like we got beat up Lunch funny stolen a couple times, and then what, had one hot girlfriend?

Yeah. At least he gave you the hot girlfriend. He on the other hand, he was the funny dude, he was the party animal. She's like Frank the Tank, not Frank the Turd. Anyway, that's the Turd. Wow. Or you guys like to hide, so.

He's breathing heavy, huh? Yeah, he's mouth breathing, right? Something's going on. So what was the fascination with theater club? We were both at the theater club together. My high school, actually, you could compete in theater. Like it would go to competition. How do they judge it?

Judges would judge it. Is it like you're standing on stage and just doing an acting performance? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you would do a full performance and my high school was state champions like three years in a row. In acting? Yeah.

Shout out. Yeah, no, no, but was not in theater. Was not a jock, but like I ran track, I mean nothing crazy, I mean the cardio was built from day one, I don't know. Sean Brady knew. I did win a superlative at a high school, but what was it?

Now we're gonna let the people guess on what it was. Okay, maybe that guy can call back in. 800 person, 650, 700 person, like graduating class. Damn, that's big. Yeah. Mine was like 650, I just found out, cause I went to my 20th reunion and somebody was like, yeah, it was like 650.

Frank, why don't you go, then I'll go. I mean, he was wrong. Well, actually, you know, I don't know. Well, actually he was wrong, is that where you're gonna go? I mean, I was in the robotics team. Oh, fuck. So like, that's pretty nerdy. Yeah, he's pretty spot on.

Boy, we got more funding than the theater kids did, and like our school was known for having a really cool So I don't know okay, but we also do have to ignore as the hot girlfriend that was true was actually that callers mom So oh wow there is Frankie got him I was just gonna say though like the idea of like like wouldn't this when this guy called like Frank getting beat up like Frank was like seven foot tall in high school. I'm sure he wasn't Frank getting beat up, like Frank was like seven foot tall in high school, I'm sure he wasn't getting beat up by theater kids.

Frank is a sizable man, I don't think getting beat up was the thing. I however was what he described about Frank. I was like the know it all kid. No shit. Yeah, I was like, well actually this, this and that. I definitely played sports, but I was, truth be told, I was more interested in just smoking weed the whole time. I didn't really care about school. I was a bullshitter in high school.

I gave my mom some stress attacks on barely passing classes. I had like a 2-4 GPA. My GPA was shit. That's why I had to transfer into Georgia later down the road. My parents actually wouldn't even let me apply to Georgia. They were like, waste the $50, you're not gonna get it in. I was like, damn, all right. Of the stereotypes, I was like a stoner, if I had to put a designation to it. I was a stoner kid who also played sports.

Yeah, my stereotype was the superlative and that will leave the mystery up to the fact. He gave you Frank the Tank status? No, he gave Pete C. Frank the Tank status. He did? Oh, he was at, okay. Yeah, fair enough. Were any of you Frank the Tank status in college?

No. I did all that stuff in high school and then I was completely straight-laced in college. I mean, I was in a fraternity and I was on like, I was a rush chair for the fraternity. Did quite a bit of drinking in my college days, to say the least. I was more of the I'm actually guy in college

because I'm paying for this shit and I need to know what is actually, you could be some kid who's like, oh, are you sure? I'm like, shut up, this is the answer, let's move on. So I will say like, while I did party a lot in college, that is also where I tightened up in terms of grades and like taking myself seriously on getting a career. Like I had like a 2.4 in high school,

I had like a 3.8 in college. Sick. Oh yeah, I mean no big deal. GPA matters a lot. None of us did acting. Job interviews. Boys, I had a question for you. What's up man?

Are you guys able to collaborate with the boys on the MMA Hour? I'm going to be honest, I live in both of you guys' shows still. I would love a celebration of Vets, a culmination of awesomeness. Just saying, no Vets BART isn't the same with Elb album and GC on it. It would be delightful if come MSG, International Fight Week, something, if you guys were able to team up, form the superpower of MMA journalism. You both are different entities, yet you both are fucking dope. Just curious, is that something that's possible? I know you guys got a new contract and all that other stuff So are you guys able to do any of that things with them?

Yeah, definitely something I know you guys kind of take jabs at each other I mean wait a minute, but you know Before you guys respond, callers, don't call us while you're driving. Like, something happens. Damn, who's taking jabs, bro? I was gonna say, I don't take jabs.

Do you take jabs? No, so then that means you're taking jabs at us? I try to be nice about it all the time. Yeah, no, I mean, I doubt a collaboration is gonna happen just because of where we're at now. But yeah, I'm still cool with all of them. I actually might link up with Jed at UFC Atlanta. He hit me up this week and asked if I was coming down.

And I said, yeah, man, let's get together. Would be happy to do it. Do miss doing No Bets Bards, but also don't miss doing No Bets Bards. It was a ton of fun, but it was also a ton of work. Did like, man, it was like 18 months. We did every single card. So like, it was something like 70 UFC cards

every single week, did a full breakdown from curtain jerker to main event every single week. So miss it, but also don't miss it. Yeah, shout out to all our former colleagues at MMA Fighting. He said MMA hour, MMA hour is done. But yeah, no will will. If they're sending jabs, I mean I need to know. I don't think they're sending jabs.

Moe from the Baku. What's up guys? Sully from K-TAC. I got a quick question. I work thinking about food and I'm like everyone always asks what would your final meal be if you're on death row? I mean, honestly, I'd probably be too stressed out to eat. I'd be like, I'm about to die. I'm not even hungry enough. But if I wasn't too stressed out to eat, I would have to go with a rib eye steak, medium

rare, mashed mashed potatoes garlic bread Broccoli to maybe a side of bacon just cuz bacon's awesome. So Love you guys. Keep up the good work It's a lot of it's a lot of meat that is a lot of meat What am I going with like a giant sushi platter would be a good one? I'm eating sushi until I cannot walk anymore That's mine. I'm not trusting the prison to provide good sushi Getting it from outside Frank. Um Yeah, I mean a steak like a really high quality steak I could do

It's summer I've kind of been a little lobster roll run right now I'm sure I'm a few lobster rolls as of late. They struggle must be real in Stanford. They are Wow Giving it all away there Frankie Two lobster rolls as of late. They are. The struggle must be real in Stanford. They are, wow! Giving it all away there, Frankie. They are fantastic, absolutely love them. Yeah, lobster roll, steak. For me, I- Oh, fucking pride guy. I just wanna-

Just love telling everyone where we live! I just wanna convey about the sushi everyone where we live. I just wanna convey about sushi. I have not mentioned this before, but the good news is I'm leaving soon, so it doesn't even matter. Frank wasn't speaking to air. You come all the way from Stanford in California every day? No, no.

Is that where you got the three eight at? Let's just move on. Sushi, sushi, sushi, sushi. Sushi, sushi, sushi. Chicken fried steak for this guy. All right. Chicken fried steak for this guy. Alright. Chicken fried steak, fire, fire. Biscuits and gravy wouldn't be bad.

Okay, next. What's up, boys? Back, Salih here again. Back from Maui in the beautiful city of Chicago. I wanted to start off by saying Chicago is way superior than New York City. It's cleaner, people are friendlier. No. Putting that to the side though. That's the wrap. Would you guys, would you rather have the lower body of Zhang Weili and the upper body of Francis Ngannou or the lower body of Francis Ngannou and

the upper body of Zhang Weili? I need it for my data that I'm collecting here. All right, peace boys. Talk to you later. First of all, shout out, he was in Hawaii last time when he called us, which. I hope that went well. Yeah. Upper body of Francis Ngano and Laura. Do you want the big legs or do you want the big torso?

I think you go big torso. I think I'm going Francis legs and Zhong upper body All right, I'll take I'll take big torso and small I feel like I'll be taller and and yeah, maybe I'll just start working out more Yeah, I just feel like people are gonna rip on me for for little legs anyway, so might as well keep them All right. I'll do the other opposite Yo boys in the back, what's up, bro? Shout out mysterious Frankie. He's the boy. Shout out GC. He's the goat Shout out to your sheet in New York, Rick

Also the goat trying to get the counter up but Anyways, boy. Shut up. My question this week is if the UFC could have their ideal champion in every single division, who do you think that would be? Like the obvious ones, you know, they'd want Sean to be the champion at 135, Patty to be the champion at 145, you know, at 155. But yeah, guys, just wanted to get your thoughts, but great shows this week as well, as always.

Love you guys, Deuce. Thank you, Jimmer. Thank you, brother, I appreciate that. All right, I will actually push back. I think they want Ilya Tuporiya to be the champion at lightweight. His star power is just unreal. I think at welterweight,

they want Islam Makashev or Shavkat Rakhman. Wait, let's start all the way down. Let's start at flyweight. Let's just go division by division. You wanna know who I think they wanted as a channel? Yeah. I was going to say the same thing actually. I think they wanted to break into that Japanese market and get Kai Asakura as the star.

Massive YouTube channel, massive following. If not Kai, I think Moreno probably might be the next guy. Bantamweight? Sugar? Sugar. Featherweight? It would have been Ilya. It would have been Ilya. It would have been Ilya. Like volks not bad.

I think we have to think of some of the longevity here. Like you don't necessarily want bulk as your champion because like that's going to end at some point soon. Whereas like we're talking, we're thinking like who could, who could do it for a bit. I don't know. Maybe I hear maybe I hear, Oh, John Silva is not a bad one. Yeah. Here's a pretty good one.

155 I say, Ilja. Yeah, at this point. Welter, Islam or Shafkat? Yes, Islam, for sure Islam. Middleweight, I mean, Shafkat, I know he doesn't speak a ton of English, but like man, the engagement he gets online is just insane. Yeah, middleweight, Hamzat,

light heavyweight, Alex Pereira, heavyweight. If not Alex Pereira, I would say they would want Yuri. Yeah, I like that call. Heavyweight, I think they want John Jones if he's going to defend or if we're playing long game. Tom Hasbro. I think they want Tom. It's a longer game, yeah. Women's straw weight.

I feel like they're cool with Zhongwei Li. Yep, open China. Yeah. Open fly away. Natalia Silva. Probably honestly, or even like Blanchfield, barber, like you're getting years out of that. At that point, uh, women's bantamweight. I think they want Kayla Harrison. I wonder, I don't know.

I don't, I guess it doesn't really matter. Cause the all roads lead to Amanda Nunes anyway. Right? Yeah. Um, I think they want Kayla Harrison off of a win of so that they can do the Amanda Nunes fight. Yeah All right We mostly agree on that What's up boys is Davis?

Donny lately got us in breaking news announced by Ariel on his show yesterday We have decided that the best thing for fans would be to go on the road for all world tournaments and other PFL events. We are done with the wonderful Orlando studios. You know? Bravo, Don. Bravo. Thank you, Don. You know, the fun thing on the UFC broadcast the other night, rest camp. Where have I seen that before? The P pfl smart cage of course

Number one is learning from number two And perhaps they will get rid of that warehouse in the desert start taking their events on the road like the pfl You got a point a few upcoming events, of course. Come on with it. We got jackson versus gene Nashville municipal auditorium. Thank you, Don. Another one I'm looking forward to, of course, the interest bank arena in Wichita, Kansas. Ooh, can't wait. The view of MMA prospect Kevin Lee.

He's gonna be visiting the Win Trust Arena. Whenever he does the prospect Kevin Lee, I know what he's coming to. Used to work for the Cubs, but you know, go Sox. Some great matchups there. The busy summer, gonna be headed to the Bojangles Coliseum in Charlotte, North Carolina. A lot of events coming up.

Can't forget, PFL Europe. Can't forget. Going to Brussels on July 5th. And of course, who could forget, Edlin versus Van Steenis, the Grand West Arena in Cape Town South Africa Baby now on the more important matters That's stranding to Frank Gotta get through that first game, you know

Play it offline don't have any Play it offline, don't have any help. Love EWT. Boy, it's gonna be a good one. Oh, fuck. Yeah, I was gonna mention that. Talk to you guys next week. Thanks, Don. We appreciate it. Rick, is that on your radar at all? The death stranding? It's Hideo Kozuma from Metal Gear Solid.

It has like a, basically a walking simulator. So it's right up your alley. Yeah. The real Don Davis has to be unbelievably happy with the Don Davis. Quote Don Davis is the best promoter PFL has right now. I've never been more excited for a PFL event

than after talking to that Don Davis right there. Kevin Lee prospect is about to make his debut. I had almost forgotten about PFL Africa, now I haven't. Shout out to Don Davis. Shout out Don Davis, man. I mean, he had some points too. Yo, yo, yo, shout out boys in the back. Shout out, bro.

And my boy Kieran from Atlanta, Georgia. Yes, sir! I just had one question for y'all this week. What did Frankie mean on last week's show when he said he was going to tickle little Rick? Who, me? Also, shout out GC, hope I catch you at UFC Atlanta, When he said he was going to tickle little Rick who me? Let's go

Appreciate you Karen Right now I'm thinking Drew ski. What do you mean by that meme to Frank? What do you mean by that Frank? So the allegations that have been presented we have a gentleman here that serves us coffee. Free of charge. They've been known to dabble a little too much on the coffee and get a little loose lip with tickling somebody. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, you drank like six cafe com laches. Last week it was pretty rough. Yeah, you drank a shit ton of coffee

at the Venezuelan restaurant and started saying some questionable stuff. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. Listen, you're welcome to tickle me any time, Frank. It's OK. Although, Little Rick, I don't know what we're. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hi. This is Cruz calling from Albuquerque by way of LA. Cruz? Go Dodgers. Cruz. Go Dodgers. It's the first one we get. Yes.

I have a wife and girlfriend ship talking that happens every week. Turns out I am a bigger fan than my guy. Most of my friends, family, men at the bar. And thanks to you guys, I do stay on top and up to date. But where are we at? Are there any other girls in the back that are gonna call in?

Role call for the women out there. You all know other women that keep up to date with everything MMA, UFC. Shout out to Andy and Nick already holding it down. Shout out. But let's see where all the ladies at. Was that a camera guy Nick reference? Yes. Shout out. Shout out. But let's see where all the leads at. Was that a camera guy, Nick reference? Yes.

Shout out, shout out. Wow, first woman voicemail. Yeah, the question, do I know any women keeping up with it? The plethora of women in my life, none of them keep up with. With UFC. Yeah, but there are definitely some women. I know there are women in the chat on the YouTube channel, but shout out to Cruz.

I think it was Cruz. It was kind of low, hard to hear, but I mean, we love you. Thank you for rocking with us. And yeah, let's get a roll call out for more women. Carly always in the chat. That's right, Carly. My girl Carly, yeah. Yes, shout out Carly.

Good shout, good shout. Carly. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out Carly. Good shout. Good shout. Too much for a seat. That error's done. 25 bones. Now everyone's won. PFL listens. We'll once react. Big fight. Fair price. Simple as that. Don. Shout out to Don Davis again. Did he just leave a poem after the PFL announced that they'd only be charging $25? I mean, it was bars. It was bars. Wow, Don Davis continues to elevate.

That was unreal. This is one of the best things going on now. That's so good. Shout out to Donnie. Yo dudes, it's Sean Brady calling in. I had a hat on the horn because I was just looking into the show. And dude, you're sending your offer?

I'm about to ascend an offer above your fricking head, dude. This is unbelievable. You hit me with the fake 30s at first, and now you're gonna rub my nose in it like this? Dude, is that wrong behind this? Like, I don't fricking get it. I take out Leon and now I got everybody everybody on my back. What the fuck? I'll tell you what I'm doing right now. I'm in my Nissan Altima. I got my Newport 100. I'm about to hop on the New York and I'm going to show you what it's like. I I mean this is this is getting unreal. This is getting a little Unbelievable, okay, I mean

You know I feel like Avron breathing down my neck. They just shut down my uncle Tony's gym off a pack You know, this is my third pack in Newport Most importantly, yeah, Frank, add me on Colecovision, dude. Not the Coleco, just hit me on the Coleco, Connor. If you and me buddies all be there, I don't know, downwards, I don't know, sorry. He's on his way.

Hit me on that. What is Coleco? It's like an old system. He's on his way. He's on his way. Hitting on Vanna. What is, what is Coleca? It's like an old system. The, the, the Frank, add me on retro gaming systems is just killing me every time. Honestly, it's the- All right, speaking of this,

Sean Brady, if you go on his Instagram story right now, he is at the Boys and Girls Club of Newark. Get out, he's in town? I swear to God. He's right across the street. I mean, the ducking allegations can't be, can't be helped. Or he was here this week.

All right, Frank, how many more? I can't now. Fuckin' hell, you're right, Elvin. For Lecovision, shout out. What up, boys? Let's go, bro. Brad from Nebraska. Brad.

Shout out to Evan Coleman. Shout out to Evan Coleman, fuckin' hey. Big dirty on that Super Bowl team. I need a pound per pound ranking of the best sporting events in the world. And that's the World Cup, Super Bowl, all of that. Pound per pound. Okay.

All right, we'll take it into consideration. Maybe coming soon. Shout out in Damu Kong Sioux, another Nebraska legend. Was that a Tevin Coleman shout out? Didn't he go to Indiana? He didn't go to Nebraska. No, didn't he? Because he shouted him out last time too.

No, he shouted out Amir Abdullah last time. That's right, he did. Random Nebraska players. Yeah bro, he went to Indiana. Oh wow. Might have gone wrong. Yeah, Tevin Coleman man. Maybe he's from there.

Legend on that 28 to three team. Hey, boys in the back. I watch your show. I really like your show. First of all, shout out to your whole Uncrowned team, including Rick and GC and Frank. Appreciate that, man. Thank you. And of course, Ariel Helwani to the whole team.

And second, I freaking love your show, guys. How many yes to the whole team and second I Freaking love your show guys. I really do and I live I live in the Naperville, Illinois But I'm not a Naperville from Kazakhstan. Oh shit the whole team especially to Rick and GC about that you guys went to the Kazakh restaurant. Yes sir. UFC 310 in Manhattan. Shout out to Farida downtown. In New York to Farida restaurant.

Yes sir, there it is, let's go. And he shout out to the GC that he's still keeping the, he still has, he still has a Kazakh national hat in his back. Yes sir. During the show. So I know GC you are the big fan of Shafka Rachmanov and I know that Rick is expecting the Shafka Rachmanov being the champion at the end of 2025. So big shout out to you guys. But the only one thing you guys did a mistake on Wednesday show that you guys said the last time last face-off between the fighters during the UFC event was a

between Sean O'Malley and Mirabdollah Shafi'i. No! Oh in the cage. The last time the face-off between the fighters was at UFC 310 between Shavkat Rakhmanov and Bilal. Between Shavkat, Rachmanov, and Bilal. Come on guys, put some respect on Shavkat. Have a wonderful day guys. Love it. Gotta love it. My man, what a call. From Kazakhstan via Naperville. Oh, love it man.

That was a true Kazakh. Some of the nicest people we've ever met down at Farida. This was incredible. Some of the best food we've had to shout out. I need a Shavkat fight book so I can go back to Farida. Yep. So, BITB, this is Nathan from Phoenix, Arizona. Shout out.

I'm in Albuquerque for work right now. Shout out. And I wanna go to the Bare Knuckle fight in Albuquerque on Friday. Go. But I was wondering, if I go alone, do you guys have any tips on going to a live event and especially BKFC? Thanks, but definitely go. Definitely go even if you're by yourself.

It won't matter. They're so fast paced. They're so high energy that you don't even really need to be with anyone there. It's just go, go, go. So I highly recommend going. In terms of, of tips, you don't really need any for BKFC. Like you're just going to pull up. It's probably going to be a smaller arena in Albuquerque, but like you're going to enjoy yourself. I guarantee it. Get a few drinks, make friends with the people next to you

and have a good time. Legit. Have a couple of beers, walk in with two beers to give to the guy next to you. And then just start yapping and enjoy the fights, man. BKFC puts on a fantastic show. It's gonna be good. A loud show as well.

Yeah, audio guy Frank was like, I didn't bring my earbuds. Like he's like, bro, we're watching dudes slug it out with bare knuckles. We don't need earbuds, man. It's tough. What's up, boys? Lee from New York here. Shout out to Frank with the top five list. Gets me every time. Shout out I guess. Tell me if you agree with me. Okay. If John Jones vacates the belt, MSG, Tom Aspinall versus whoever. All right. Should we ban

John Jones from joining K-Side? The camera's gonna keep going to them, they're gonna keep teasing, oh he's gonna fight, he's gonna get his belt back from whoever wins, blah blah blah. No. We're crowning Tom Massimil as a champ and that is it. It's his night, the next superstar for the UFC. No more John Jones. Leave it be. Thank you, boys. I agree, but I don't think it's something you have to worry about. Here's why. Tom Aspinall versus XYZ person for the belt. That means they're out of the John Jones business for that moment. They don't want John Jones's shadow hanging over Tom Aspinall potentially becoming undisputed champion, or if he's already undisputed champion defending that. So I don't think the UFC would have John Jones there.

Cause all that does is cast a shadow on that. Now, if John Jones is saying like to the UFC, Hey, put me there. Cause I'm ready to fight now. Different story. I say you do have them, but if they're moving on, John Jones won't be there. Cause they don't want to cast that shadow over Tom's fight. I agree. The voice mailbox is empty. Any super chats? But if they're moving on, John Jones won't be there. Cause they don't want to cast that shadow over Tom's fight. I agree. The voice mailbox is empty. Any super chats? Yes, do we have super chats?

Super chats. Damn right we do. And the gout trout sent us quite some love over a series of six, count of six super chats. There they are for your reading pleasure. Damn, appreciate that Goutrout. We need Pizzi's top five methods of cooking potatoes. GC looking good, New Yorker Rick smiles

like a Hollywood star, sparkle. Frank's voice could end wars, pure seduction. Did you guys look into AFC Wimbledon's history? No, not yet, we owe that to you, Goutrout. Andy kicks only versus on-air Jordan hands only, who wins? I'm taking Andy, no matter what. I'm taking Andy kicks only. Shout out to the G only who wins. I'm taking Andy. I'm taking Andy kicks only. Shout out to the Gouch route man.

Two pounds a piece. We appreciate you man. Jordan didn't even have a response. Yeah. He's trying. Is it trying to count how many times you say shout out and respond? Yeah.

What do you mean? I mean, I can't hit a woman. So Andy automatically wins cause she'd kick me and I'd probably cry anyway. Are you implying that if you could hit a woman you'd beat up Andy breaking the fourth wall? I just said if she kicked me I'd cry so you know she wins no matter what Jordan, nicest guy I actually had a full conversation about this earlier

That's not how it went down Darren Miguel writes, Darren, thoughts on the ref cam? Dope, I love it. Yeah, Dope. Keep it up. Sick. On finishes like that, it's incredible. Agreed. Meta. Shout out. Threads.

Corbin says, yes or no, does the UFC create a 165 pound division in the future, perhaps after Dana steps down? And do you guys want any division? I've never been like a super high on 165 guy. Don't think it needs it. Don't think the UFC does it. Because if you do 165, you have to shift 170 to 175. I don't think, I don't think.

The juice is not worth the squeeze there. Yeah. Bujji Alpaca, I've seen them all, that's the best interview you guys have had yet. It was great, clap, clap. I would appreciate that Bujji Alpaca. A lot of that is just on Jordan Levitt being incredibly introspective and a very interesting guy

and willing to talk to us for like 40 minutes. So shout out to Jordan Levitt. We really, really appreciate him joining. Agree. I appreciate the compliment, man. Thank you, yeah. Slito slides in. After Holland's media,

Bro was more focused on pretending to be a star than he is about getting better. Also, every boys in the back interview was better than the last. Appreciate it again on the interview, man. than he is about getting better. Also, every boys in the back interview was better than the last. Appreciate it again on the interview, man. Means a lot, really does. We try to research these and really know the guests before they come on, so that does mean a lot.

In terms of Kevin Holland, he's always kind of been a yapper. He's always kind of looking to talk shit. I don't think anything's changed. I don't think Kevin Holland even necessarily wants to be a star. I don't think that's like my impression of Holland. He just wants to make money. My impression of him is when someone was like, are you concerned about fight or pay? And he's just like y'all are so concerned about fight or pay, but you never fight.

You're concerned about something you don't do. I think he's just there to get paid, a means to an end. I don't think he's worried about the belt. I don't think he's worried about star power. Yeah. And lastly, Benny Avena writes, Slightly biased, but the Angel City Connect jersey are top tier. Also the 80s Rams jerseys are fire too. Okay, 80s Rams are fire. I really love the ones where it was the white horn

instead of the yellow Eric Dickerson days. Those were fire. This Angel's jersey is quite nice. Yeah, I love the cream. Oh, look at Jordan. I love the cream and the cursive. That's a good shirt. Jordan.

It's pretty basic though, it's not like. Nothing crazy. Yeah. If you're a fan, I can see you buying it. It's a good one. I've always liked the Angels with the halo. You know what I do like? I like when the fonts are a little bit different.

That's why I do like that one. When you go those standard Helvetica looking garbage fonts, it really ruins it. I like the font, but it I like the font but it's okay I'm with you I think it's fun especially a hundred sixty two game season throwing a couple alternates there all right thank you so much for the super shats thank you so much to everyone who called in for the voicemails we really appreciate it Raptor a bird of prey Eagle Hawkeye. Yeah a couple odds and ends here Frank wanted wanted to prove a point. Raptor, bird, dang, yeah, whatever. Is that the only definition?

There's also the informal definition. This is the one that he specifically sent to me. Okay, that's what I was thinking, because obviously there's multiple definitions. We listed odds and ends. Yeah, I have seen a picture of Mario Bautista, can confirm Wario. There it is! Yeah!

Wario Bautista, let's go heal heal let's go heal! I love it. I feel like if if he does heal off we need to interview him next week. Oh for sure. Like yes. Tell us about your Wario. Yeah. Call him Wario. He's gonna be like I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about. Who is Wario? Alright any other odds and ends Okay, I'll take that as I know. Thank you so much. Wow! Shout out to 78 and 79. We'll get 100 one of these days. Thank you so much to Frank, Jordan, and Andy in the back. Andy especially for the help on the fight feast. Much appreciated. Thank you so much for you guys for watching. Couldn't do it without you. Thanks so much to Jordan Levitt for joining us.

That was a fantastic conversation. Looking forward to the next time we talk to him. Thanks to the Super Chats. Thank you for the voicemails. Watch the crack tomorrow. Pizzi will get you ready after the weigh-ins for UFC 316 and then come watch us on Saturday. We'll get you through UFC 316. We'll react to our bets.

We'll have fun for a very fun card. Until then, we'll see ya.