The Ariel Helwani Show - UFC 322 preview, Islam Makhachev chases Anderson Silva's record, Alex Pereira vs. Khamzat Chimaev?! | The Boys in the Back

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

The Boys in the Back kick off the show with some news and notes, including Alex Pereira challenging Khamzat Chimaev to a grappling match and TKO's new partnership with Polymarket (07:04).Then, the con...versation turns to UFC 322, starting with Islam Makhachev potentially tying Anderson Silva's record for the longest winning streak in UFC history and the potential for Jack Della Maddalena to pull off the upset (19:29).After breaking down the stacked card (47:34), they make picks (1:34:27), deliver their P4P rankings of MMA grapplers (1:38:42), listen to your voicemails (1:49:39), and answer your Super Chats (2:25:52).

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Starting point is 00:00:00 But boys in the back But boys, boys, boys, boys, boys. What is good? We are back with another episode of The Boys in the Back On Ice, baby. We are now officially skating like boys to men at Rockefeller Center back in the 90s at Christmas, like Action Bronson said. I am one-third of the boys in the back.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Connor Birx joined alongside me. As always, you know him. You love him. them you can't live without them it's mr new york rick and then in the back we got frankie frankie how you doing man it's up guys wow wow i thought the vibes were so high man i'm really feeling great around you fight feast fuck that's delicious collab has made my day so i just i have to say i got the fuck that's delicious shirt i want to believe somewhere out there in far away lands action bronson's wearing a fight feast shirt right now absolutely the crossover complete he was walking down
Starting point is 00:01:00 a street in Williamsburg and he saw it on a rack and he got it and he snagged it oh y'all got the fight fee shirt how much you want for it let me make you an offer i can't refuse uh yes if you were just watching that thank you so much we we appreciate it greatly uh that was an incredible day uh truly a dream experience for us to do that i feel like we we talked it into existence we spoke it into existence we truly manifested it but uh yeah if you haven't seen it yet go and watch it after the show It's already on the area Hohwana YouTube channel. If you haven't seen it yet, tell them what they are going to see. Tell them what it is.
Starting point is 00:01:33 Yeah, so Action Bronson joined us, NYC, you know, Fight Feast. We do it for every card. NYC, Madison Square Garden, UFC 322. Could be the best card of the year. It's absolutely stacked from top to bottom. We got to match the energy. So we match it with our White Whale, with the White Welf Buffalo, with Bam Bam Baklava, Mr. Action Bronson.
Starting point is 00:01:54 He joined us, took us to three different spots. and it actually was like a fight feast fuck that's delicious collab he was filming fuck that's delicious i think we're going to be in the background of it just sort of like yo it's good boys in the back actually in the background of fuck that's i might be in the background of one shot like i was on fight feast you are going to be in the video very prominently oh very i mean we pulled up i was like i was like damn this dude's talking circles around me like the energy that action bronson carries and just like the way that he carries himself and like all the one-liners that he's saying the whole time, it's hard to keep up with, man. And every room he walks
Starting point is 00:02:30 into, like, he controls the presence. Like, he sets the tone for it. So they were like, yeah, Connor, get in there, man, get in there. I'm like, no, no, no, come on, man. Like action, action can do his thing. He's with the chef. I was like, they're pushing me out there. They're like, you're the guest, man. I was like, nah, chill, chill, chill, chill. He, you said it perfectly. He has this very unique and rare thing. And I, and I think that there's other people who have this thing, maybe not quite exactly the way he has it. But he is such a presence when he goes anywhere it's like
Starting point is 00:02:56 yo that's like action Bronson is here but he's also simultaneously this guy that feels very approachable like he feels like he's still one of us like the people walking down the street are just like yo action they don't even want to like really like bother him they just want to say like yo I love you man
Starting point is 00:03:12 and then move on with their day several people I heard like walk up to him which like walking around with Action Bronson in New York is literally like you're walking around with the mayor of the city people just came up like I heard several people would just be like, thanks for all you do. I was like, wow, wow, this guy really, this guy touches a lot of people's lives. But yeah, he has the aura when he walks in.
Starting point is 00:03:30 And so, like, you know, he commands the room. It was incredible. Three different places, got tacos. He chose it specifically for Chepe Mariscout. When he was the curtain jerker, they've now moved him up on the card. They're trying to thwart our plans for the curtain jerker special. But all in all, it was an incredible day. Me, Frankie, Rick, E. Casey Leiden, flew in from California.
Starting point is 00:03:51 Ariel joined at the third spot. It was an incredible day, not to get too sentimental, but thank you for everyone that made it happen. Bronson for doing it. I can't believe how in-depth he went with us. We were like, yo, just join us at one spot for 30 minutes. He's like, nah, nah, nah, nah, I got a whole day plan. You're going to ride along with us. We were with them from like 10 a.m. to like 6 p.m.
Starting point is 00:04:10 Yeah. It was an entire day spent with Action Bronson. It was an incredible day, though. Thank you to E. Casey Leiden for editing it. Absolutely killed it. Like from the first footage I saw, I was like, man, how is this going to turn out? to the final product, night and day, E. Casey Leiden is a warrior when it comes to editing things. He is incredible, man.
Starting point is 00:04:30 The stuff that he can do is simply fantastic. Thanks to Frank for audio. That's the worst part. Mysterious Frank is actually mysterious. He was walking around with the headphones and the boom mic. He had the pack on his side. He looked like a real audio guy out there. Anything to say to that, Frank?
Starting point is 00:04:43 No, I'm not going to acknowledge that. Frank did his job. Everybody there made a special can't thank action and his team enough. like shout to Chris Yeah What a What a day that we spent together
Starting point is 00:04:56 Hopefully you guys enjoy that Fight Feast took A level up You know Ariel's been billing it As Fight Feast the movie Has he said that? I haven't heard him say that He said that once or twice
Starting point is 00:05:05 You said that once or twice Fight Feast took a level up Thank you guys so much And hope you enjoy And yes On Crown Films does it again Casey is in the lab Working on some stuff
Starting point is 00:05:16 So Always shout out to Chris on action team Shout to Bernardo on Action's team Shout to Ovin for the thumb Thank you, thank you, thank you to everyone that helped with that. It was a truly a dream to do that. Action Bronson is a living legend. Living legend.
Starting point is 00:05:28 I will always have that video saved on some computer, some hard drive, so I can pull it up one day and be like, yeah, you know, I used to do it, you know. They're like, grandpa's washed. It's like, no, actually. Unks chopped. There was a time. Not that job. And, you know, like, we are enjoying this.
Starting point is 00:05:44 Like, this is incredible. This is the pinnacle. I don't think we'll ever top it. But, you know, June of 2020. I'm riding in my car. I get a DM from Action Bronson. This is summer of last year. I was like, oh, I wonder what action said.
Starting point is 00:05:59 Check it. All it says is FFXFTD. Said nothing else. I responded. I was like, we got to make it happen. He never said anything back. We've just kind of been sitting on this like, we're going to make it happen.
Starting point is 00:06:10 We're going to make it happen. We finally make it happen a year and a half later. 30 episodes into the series, make it happen. So now we're manifesting something now. Oh, you know, people started getting the hype. You know, they get in the comments. They're like, oh, this is sick.
Starting point is 00:06:21 This is sick. sick, some names around the MMA space. Oh, who do we got? Coach Plino Cruz, jumping in the comments, fire emojis. I said, training and eating with Plino, here's, maybe a guest appearance from the champ, maybe we'll get a little shama on the side. Lino Cruz.
Starting point is 00:06:37 You know, the great Ashbell Castro, you know, who works with Engage. Yeah, the boys, Big Bell Castro and Volkub next. Oh, cooking with Volt. Cooking with fight feasts. We're just putting it out there. We manifested the Bronson, now we're trying to manifest, you know. things that will match Bronson.
Starting point is 00:06:53 I was going to say bigger and better, but that's impossible to get bigger and better than Action Brons. We are very hyped on that. If you haven't seen it, make sure to check it out after this. Very, very proud of how it came out. Thank you again to everyone who helped out with it.
Starting point is 00:07:04 All right. Let's go to some news and notes from around the world of MMA. Speaking of Alex Pereira, we just talked about Plinyo Cruz. Alex Pereira doing a little chirping with Hamzaa Shemaya, if he released this video talking about Hamzad.
Starting point is 00:07:19 They're just talking about Chimaev's. Oh, man. Oh, that's a lot of him. Boy, they're going to fight with me. Por, there's to get to get. It's a long, man. They're just talking about Chamaa. And then Alex is basically saying he'd come to his arena.
Starting point is 00:07:38 He looks directly a camera and says, let's fight in grappling. And another thing, we can fight in the UFC too. UFC is doing DJJ. Let's do the USC BJJ. Let's make that happen. He said, I don't know much to make, but it's good money, though. And he wants to donate the purses to charity if Hamzaa Tchaimae accepts the challenge. Glover-Teshire said...
Starting point is 00:08:08 He'd bet the house on Alex Baer. He would have bet his house in MMA, but this guy's nuts. So, yeah, Alex Pereira, calling out Hamza. He would have bet his house in MMA, but this guy's not someone to do BJJ. So, yeah, Alex Pereira, calling out Hamza. Shemayev, Hamza Shemayev responded on an Instagram comment essentially saying, let's do it, easy money, which, unfortunately, probably would be. Yeah, as a guy that I'm a big, big fan of Alex Pereira, love Alex Brer. If we're just doing BJJ. My level of interest in Alex versus Hamzad and BJJ is like five? You're interest in Hamdaat Shemayev going up to 205 to challenge for the belt? 11. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:49 MMA, sign me up. Like, inject that directly into my veins. I might want to see that more than I might want to see John Jones versus Alex Pereira, even though I admit John Jones versus Alex is a bigger fight. The BJJ one is interesting enough. And, I mean, certainly for UFC BJJ, that would be the greatest thing that ever happened to them.
Starting point is 00:09:08 Like, they're doing these, like, very, very BJJ-centric fights. The MMA crossover fans that you would get watching Alex Pereira versus Hamzaa Tchamayv and grappling would be insane for them. Those 9 million views next time might actually be legitimate as opposed to the most recent one. Darth Rikotin pushed down to the Komenade spot? Yeah, it'd have to be. That'd be dirty work, man. Wait, he's a free agent.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Is he re-signed? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. Good point. We're all waiting. Maybe Alex Pereer is the new signing to USCBJJ to carry the flag. I would watch it, but I do imagine that Hamzot would dummy him pretty easily in that realm. Yeah, I mean, you're just going to his world. It would be like if Hamzat was wanting to do a kickboxing match with Alex Pereira, you'd favor Alex Pereira to probably get that one. Probably favor Alex to get that one done there. So interesting. It's fun. I like the idea of Alex just being like open to these challenges. I like the idea of him just being out there for that. A little bit more news. Polymarket has become the official exclusive prediction market of the UFC and TKO announces a multi-
Starting point is 00:10:15 year partnership with the two brands. If you're not familiar with this, Polly Market, Kalshi are these prediction markets. I believe you can do it on Robin Hood as well, where they essentially set lines on, you know, is President Trump going to build the ballroom by the end of 2025? You know, I think for UFC, I was looking at some of them. They obviously have the fights that you can select the side on and if it will go the distance or not, but then they have like, will Donald Trump show up at UFC 322, things like that? It's very, like, predictive everyday things. Here's a couple of the guidelines.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Polymarket will become the official prediction market. Partner of UFC and Zufa Boxing, Polly Market will power fan prediction scoreboard within UFC broadcasts. I'm interested to see what that becomes, whether that's like as it's going along, like you have how fans are scoring it. And then in 2026, UFC and Zupa boxing will be available. on Paramount Plus, which we obviously already knew.
Starting point is 00:11:16 Interesting to see, they already have Draft King Sportsbook is the official sportsbook partner of the UFC, which I don't think any brand does the official blank of blank better than the UFC, official vodka, official hard self-suit, official hydration drink, official energy drink, and now they get the splitting of the gaps to official sportsbook an official prediction market, which, if I'm not mistaken, I thought I had read somewhere that Fanduel and Draft Kings were trying to get involved in this prediction market space.
Starting point is 00:11:53 I don't know how that's going to work. Obviously, they've got it figured out. But Dana White was on CNBC and had this to say when asked about the partnership and gambling going on in the space. What do you think of some of the other situations we've been reading about in terms of what's happening at the NBA, what's happening in Major League Baseball? Yeah, unfortunately, these type of things are going to happen. Let me tell you what's going to happen if you do it in the UFC.
Starting point is 00:12:17 I'm going to be the first one to go after you and try to bury you. Yeah. Made it pretty clear on how he feels about people trying to fix fights and stuff. Federal fucking prison. He's made it very clear every time, actually, now that I think about it. But it is interesting because, as you said, like, they have a sports book partner, which is your very traditional standard gambling, right? That is the, I'm picking aside, I'm gambling.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I'm picking a method of finish. I'm gambling on that. Prediction markets are derivative, right? Prediction markets are based on, like, overall sentiment, and they rise and fall on that, and we see a lot of times the way I've seen prediction markets come into the mainstream spaces, a lot of times around elections, right?
Starting point is 00:13:00 They're based on the action, they're seeing that XYZ person is likely to win because of what the support looks like. And so it's going to be interesting to see what this ultimately becomes as a partnership and what that like fan scoreboard and all these things. But it is a further leap by the UFC, uh, into the idea of placing money down on outcomes, right? It may not be exactly the one to one tie that it is for pick fighter X at X line and, and they will win or lose. Um, but it's an interesting time for this to be happening
Starting point is 00:13:33 for them. Uh, it's an interesting time for this space to kind of mature. Uh, I'm not surprised. You mentioned draft kings and Fanduel potentially getting into this, uh, space, this vertical. I'm not surprised about that. I hadn't heard that, but that doesn't strike me at all surprising because there's potentially so much money to be made and they have such an infrastructure of people that they know will put money down on potential outcomes that makes a lot of sense for them as a business. So interesting to see, especially if Draft Kings or somebody that like UFC has partnered with does go into it and now they have this partner on the other side that does that. But either way, as you've said, another huge win on the marketing front for the UFC. another example of hopefully one day down the line, something that the UFC fighters could get a cut of if they were to make that happen. But for now, UFC wins again in another massive deal with a space that seems to be maturing and growing and probably has a lot of potential. Well, what's really interesting about this is that you can't use it in the U.S. yet.
Starting point is 00:14:33 Yeah. It is, it's going, it's legal in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. like California has it even though it's illegal to bet on sports there Texas has it all the states are able to use it but it hasn't been launched in the US so that makes me believe
Starting point is 00:14:50 that the launch in the US is imminent and if you look at it man it almost just like they're just like gaming the system on sports betting like if you go to the UFC page right now they have every single fight available for UFC 322 and you pick a side
Starting point is 00:15:06 if you put down $10 on Islam Makashiv, it would return you 1370. If you put down $10 on Jack Delamadalena, it would return you 2571. So it's essentially, they have it in cents, like the, I guess, cents on the dollar, but it's essentially like a plus 250 and like a minus, you know, 310 or something like that. So they're gaming the system, and then they have props like, will Trump attend UFC 322? Yes, no. Will Elon Musk attend a UFC event by December 31st?
Starting point is 00:15:37 Yes, no. It's kind of like, I think, prize picks, a way that they're able to work through the loopholes, is making it. You're not doing sports betting. It's just, yes, no. Predictions. Yeah, predictions of it. So it's very interesting to see something that's available to every customer. And if you start realizing, oh, your friends are into this and, oh, this is just betting.
Starting point is 00:16:00 It's just you're using different terminology rather than minus 210 or plus 150. You're saying, oh, he's 78 cents. he's 28 cents. You'll eventually pick up on that terminology. It could lead to widespread popularity. I mean, you see it now being featured on South Park and everything like that. So it's blowing up. They're making a ton of money hand over fist. So once it's available in the U.S., it's going to be very interesting. But I don't think it's a bad thing to ask Dana about the effects of potential fight fixing surrounding it. Oh, it's all in the same soup, right? If people can put money down on it, it creates these opportunities for a bad actor to come in
Starting point is 00:16:36 and try to make the market the way they want it to be. They make the outcome the way they want it to be. So, yeah, it makes a lot of sense to be having these kind of parallel conversations. It's going to be interesting to see now that there's a swell of attention and a real zeal by the FBI to track down people that are in these types of gambling rings and in these potential game fixing scenarios, whether there's further. regulation from the government, right? From the top down, not necessarily from a league perspective, but from the government on some of these markets and how gambling
Starting point is 00:17:14 is accessed and what the rules and regulations are and how all this stuff comes together. It's a very interesting time, but in the meantime another deal for the UFC. Yeah, all I know is I'm going to wake up with my official coffee of the UFC, Black Rifle Coffee, get my car with my official tire of the UFC, Toyo Tires,
Starting point is 00:17:31 drive to Buffalo Wild Wings, the official pay-per-view sponsor of the UFC. Drink my and Benheiser Bush, the official beer of the UFC, when I need a little energy, a little monster energy around the main card start. Don't forget the hydration. I have a prime to stay hydrated, the official hydration drink of the UFC. I'll place my wagers on draft kings, the official sports with the UFC, and then I'll make my predictions on the official predictive market of the UFC. And then, you know, if I'm feeling parched after all this, I'll go get a Mike's hard, the official hard lemonade.
Starting point is 00:17:59 What are you wearing while you do this? Complete head-to-to-ve venom gear, the official gear of the UFC. And then if I get sore during it, I'll use Hyper Ice, the official massage therapy guns of the UFC, and then we'll finish it off with a quick trim afterward with my Manscaped Razor, the official shape of the UFC. Well, that's for later when I'm late-nighting that night, and I'll be playing UFC 5, the official video game of the UFC. And you're eating Prince Street Pizza, obviously. Yeah, and then you've got to remember, you know, when tax season rolls around, I'll call TurboTax, the official tax provider of the official tax preparation service of the UFC. where, you know, they do my taxes, but they have to make sure it's for my military status because I was in the Air National Guard, the official military partner.
Starting point is 00:18:45 Ah, got it. And yeah, you know, Morgan and Morgan will be my lawyer, the official law firm of the UFC. I mean, it's fucking ridiculous how many officials they have. And when I travel, I say a resorts world, the official hotel and hospitality of the UFC. I thought you were doing this off the dome. Yeah. No, no, no, I have it right here. I was pretty impressed.
Starting point is 00:19:04 If I get one, lucky one, if I get lucky one night, well, go to RISFarma, the official erectile dysfunction and hair loss product of the UFC. Round one underway here, the clock brought to you by. Okay, shout out. Polymarket deal done with
Starting point is 00:19:20 the UFC. Let's move on to this weekend. Shout out to RizFarma. Shout out to RizFarma. Shout out to him. Just up the road there, Madison Square Garden. You can almost see it. It's just not quite in view. Madison Square Garden is the site of UFC 322 this weekend, in my opinion, it is the most stacked card of the year.
Starting point is 00:19:41 I agree. If you just look at it from top to bottom, the main card, the prelims that follow. The last eight fights, inarguable bangers. Yeah. It's just like, it's fantastic. Last seven fights, I actually think. But let's start with the main event of the evening. On one side, you have Jack Della, Madelena, the current Welterweight Champion of the world,
Starting point is 00:20:00 writing an 18-fight win streak. loses his first two fights in his career knocks off 18 on route to becoming the UFC. Wiltroweat champion of the world has not lost since 2016, almost a decade since he last lost.
Starting point is 00:20:17 And then on the other side, you have Islam Makashev, the former 155 champion, moving up to challenge to become a two-division world champion. He rides a 15-fight win streak, has not lost since 2015, a decade, 15 up, 15 down, five times,
Starting point is 00:20:33 title fight wins mixed in there. I don't know what that feels like to just have a decade of dominance, but with that, 15, he is now one away from tying Anderson Silva. We saw Kamara Usman come one minute away from tying it in August of 2022, and then he gets the head kick, K-O, hurt around the world against Leon Edwards, win streak stops there. I really do feel like this isn't being talked about enough, a record that stood for 12 years that feels like it's like almost unethwerews.
Starting point is 00:21:03 unbeatable. It takes so long. This has taken him a decade of work to get to this point. On top of the potential of becoming a two-division world champion, I think he'd become the 11th in UFC history, the legacy markers that are on the line is incredible for Islam Makashv here. Yeah, and I don't think enough is being made about the idea that Islam probably could have just stayed at lightweight and really coasted, right? Like, he's kind of dominating all the challenges available there.
Starting point is 00:21:32 I think now moving up to that division is the most interesting and kind of compelling and the one that I think people would probably think makes Islam the most vulnerable if he was to stay at 55 but the idea that he is kind of risking something here, right? He is kind of putting something on the line. This wind streak that he's
Starting point is 00:21:47 potentially chasing, when you can tie this wind streak that Anderson Silva has it kind of makes you an immortal and that's what we put on the thumb for the show today. It's the type of record that when you look back at the record books, it does tell you like who's who right there's all kinds of things like there's accumulative stats right like nobody's ever
Starting point is 00:22:07 going to touch max holloway in terms of total significant strikes like it's just not going to happen if it happens we we might see like the most amazing fighter who's ever competed because of how long max has been able to do it in the volume he puts out but there's some records that just stand as like if you can be the record holder in this specific regard you are in the pantheon of the all time grades. You are one of the people that we will talk about forever when it comes to this sport. And what's crazy to me is a lot of times when guys are approaching these types of records, it's probably toward the closer to the end of the career. But I do feel like Islam's like right smack dab in the middle of his prime. Like it does not feel like we've seen the very,
Starting point is 00:22:47 very best of Islam Makachev. It feels like he can do it for a long time. It feels almost like his predecessor, Habib, where I felt like when he was starting to, when he finally became number one pound for pound, when he was approaching. the territory of becoming all-time great, it felt like he had more left to give, and Habib kind of went this way. I feel like Islam's going to go this way. If Islam can get this second belt, and now he starts to rack up Walterway title defenses, he's going to start pressing. He's going to start pressing into the conversation of greatest of all-time. I think he's already there with a win on Saturday amongst the greatest of all time, but I do think he starts
Starting point is 00:23:21 to press toward that top spot, which is kind of bizarre to say, especially considering how how I feel about John Jones and where he was in a field that I never thought could be eclips. But to go back to this specific record, the UFC is the proving ground for combat sports. Like, I certainly think that it is easier to win early fights now in the UFC than it was back then, right? These days, you're going to be facing contender series. It's contender series versus contender series. Or it's you're a guy who's got two wins in the UFC and you're facing somebody a contender series. To have that stretch of wins that Issa Makhachev has, and we should go back, it wasn't like
Starting point is 00:24:03 that was his debut. He won his debut at UFC 187, and then he lost that fight to Adriano Martins. So imagine if he didn't have that slip-up, what this streak could truly look like. It's crazy. He would also be 28-n-no going for 29 and a half if he didn't have the slip-up, but maybe the slip-up ended up helping him. I actually wanted to pose a question to you because this is his 29th professional fight. if he wins on Saturday.
Starting point is 00:24:28 Yes. Which he is favored to do so, but obviously fights happen for a reason. You've got to see how they're going to play out. He will be 28 and 1. He'll have six title fight victories. It will be a two-division champion. Is his resume, 29 fights in. Obviously, Habib went 29 and 0.
Starting point is 00:24:45 Is his resume better than Habib's? I think it's already better than Habib's. Wow, even with a loss on Saturday. Well, that's different, right? I'm talking about now. Sitting here right this moment. I don't need to see Saturday for me to say that. I think Islam has had a better career than Habib at this point.
Starting point is 00:24:58 I think the wins are comparable, but I do think Islam has been better. If he wins on Saturday, I don't think it's even a conversation, right? That second belt in another weight class means a lot. That's one thing that Habib wasn't able to do, right? And again, we have to recognize Habib left when he still could have competed. There's a lot of wins that could have been under Habib's belt. Now, he also has the benefit of leaving before he lost, right? And Ronda Rousey said this in a little bit of a crude way, but there is a true.
Starting point is 00:25:26 to what she was saying about the idea of like Habib left in his prime but Habib left when there were still challenges ahead, right? There were other names that could have come up and given him a fight and we never got to see him be vulnerable like we did with an Anderson Silva or like we did with a GSP or like
Starting point is 00:25:41 we even did with Demetrius Mighty Mouse Johnson who eventually falls to Henry Suhudo although controversially. If you stay in the game long enough that happens which is why Islamakachev tying Anderson Silva's record, consecutive wins in the UFC is extremely impressive because if you stay around long enough, you will lose in the UFC. The competition is just too good. And you eventually are going to
Starting point is 00:26:05 become champion like Islam Makachev did. And now you're facing killer after killer, after killer, and now you're going up at facing another champion. It's incredibly underrated record. I think Islam Makachev has made the extraordinary feel ordinary to a certain degree. And I think Habib has done that before him as well, where it's just like he feels a never. to a certain degree, even when Dustin Poria is pushing him, or even when it's seeming like he's in a tougher fight than we would have thought, he has made winning and success in that team, that Abdulmanop lineage has made winning and success almost feel like a foregone conclusion to the point that, oh yeah, he's about to win this many fights in a row is kind of just like
Starting point is 00:26:46 an afterthought. It's an asterisk somewhere. It really is just like, it's mind-boggling what he's been able to do. I think if he wins on Saturday night, gets the 28 and 1, and then gets a title defense and breaks Anderson Silva's record. So one more after that. Then he will have a title defense at Welterweight as well on top of winning the belt. He'll be 29 and 1. All of the accolades in the world. I think he is then like, you are seriously talking about greatest fighter of all time conversation because I know we have the Martinez loss, but he did get clipped in that one. It wasn't like he got beat down for three rounds. He got clipped, man.
Starting point is 00:27:24 That's what it is. And now he hasn't been clipped for a decade, for 15 fights in a row, fighting the best of the best in the world. Like, you know, we're going to talk about the fight in a minute, and it's sort of like, how does Jack Della win? Like, he's going to have to be a dog. He's going to have to get grimy. Islamakashev can be a dog in there.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Like, he has taken some beatings from some of these guys and hung tough, man. He's not the Habib where it's like, never saw him bleed, man. Never saw him rocked. We've seen Islamakashiv get hurt and fight through it. written tough it out and will his way to victory. Also just like his ability to finish people. I think it's like eight of his last nine opponents he's finished. I think Volk is like the only one to go to a decision if I'm not mistaken. It's an incredible run that he's on. And I think with a win on Saturday, you're talking about like he's in that upper echelon of like, yeah, man,
Starting point is 00:28:12 like Mount Rushmore and stuff. He gets a couple title defenses at Walterweight. We're talking about potentially being the greatest fighter of all time. It's John. It's GSP. And it's probably like his name enters the conversation there, right? Like, a lot of people will start talking about Demetrius and start talking about Anderson Silva and all these guys who had incredible peaks. But, like, when you look at the totality of the resume, the guys that are up here, the guys
Starting point is 00:28:32 that are the real true number ones when you have that conversation, is John and GSP, because they fix, John never lost, right? The Matt Hamill thing, everybody universally disregards that. What's crazy about Islam is, everybody kind of universally disregards
Starting point is 00:28:48 the Martines fight, which is not typically what you'd see, right? Nobody ever really talks about that. But if any other, if Ilya had a loss on his record back then or Connor McGregor had a loss that they could really like focus in on in the U.S.E, they'd be fucking burying them. They'd be talking about how they were never any good.
Starting point is 00:29:05 But Islam, it's kind of just been like, I've been dominating for so long that nobody even brings this up anymore. I mean, to this day, anytime McGregor posts anything, you see in the replies, people posting the picture of him getting checked out by Havid. Like, they're never going to let that go. But like, yeah, you really don't see that. like Islam, like him like laid flat out against Adriano Martinez.
Starting point is 00:29:23 You don't see the memes of Adriano Martins because it's just such a, he has done such a, what? I mean, we talk about like the Alex Pereira, Israel Adasania, like guy in the bar. I beat that guy one day. If I'm Adriano Martinez, it's, I'm like the night, I'm like the, uh, 1973 Miami Dolphins or whatever was, the undefeated Dolphins team that pops the champagne every time all the teams lose. I'm inverse. Every time Islam Machashev gets another. win another title defense i'm popping champagne i'm just like i fucking beat that guy knocked him out
Starting point is 00:29:54 you think i didn't have it look at this here i am knocking him out cold that one on his record that's me baby yeah that's what i say eight whiskeys deep if i'm adriela martins at the at the local dive bar shit i don't i don't need one whiskey it's time to go home we'll call you a taxi now i'm driving mr martins chill you want the same fate as Islam I'm driving I'm driving Give me my keys. Mr. Martinez, chill. All right, all right. We're getting down a 10.
Starting point is 00:30:25 No, it's a good one. But it is a point in his favor of the idea of just what the last 10 years has been, what the resume has been able to do in terms of wiping that away. And so, man, it's hard for me to picture other guys. Like, do I think that, okay, this Anderson Silver Record is a very, very significant one. The other one, there's only one more out there that I think is like in this territory. I mean, there's the max one. but that's a legit untouchable still going and untouchable and and be a counting stat right it's just
Starting point is 00:30:56 like even if you're losing fights you can get significant strikes you can stay in a in a fight and get significant strike so it's a different kind of territory the other one is the demetrius johnson title defense record and now he's he's not in that territory right he is no longer the lightweight champion so that's the type of one if he wanted to he could have stayed at he could have stayed at lightweight and tried to match the title defense record. He's taking an alternate path. It's going to be interesting to see how those things weigh out when it comes to all these debates and conversations about Goat and what that ultimately looks like.
Starting point is 00:31:31 But I do think the names that he puts himself in the territory of are John, RGSP, whether you have Demetrius or Habib or all those other guys up there. It's in arguable that he has to be in those conversations now if he wins on Saturday. And all of this gets to take place at the Mecca, Madison Square Garden. Like, this is the pinnacle. This is what we wait for all year as a fan of this sport. It's for cards like this that's taking place on Saturday. It's truly incredible.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Let's get to the fight itself. Jack Delamadal Maldaneh is not a walkover. No. Islam Makhashv is going up a weight class, 15 pound difference up to 170 to take on a natural 170. Who is the rightful champion there in Jack Della Madalena? I think Islamakishev should be the favor. I think with the win streak, with how dominant he's looked through some portions of it.
Starting point is 00:32:21 I mean, you put him up against a guy like Kanata Moikano, obviously on short notice, but it's just like walkover. Yeah. Like walkover. Like the bottom half of the top 10 just like isn't even a challenge for him in that division. I think he should be the favorite. But the way J.D.M. fought the wrestling against Bala Muhammad. And I understand that Bala Muhammad is not Islam Makashv, but they've trained together.
Starting point is 00:32:41 We do know that. You know, best friends. They can't fight against each other. I think if he can have that anti-wrestling, if he can have that grappling defense, and basically just make it dirty, just be staying active the entire time. Sort of like the Porier-Machchev fight. I understand that Mokachev was winning that fight before the choke locked in, but like Porier was hurting him, man. He was making that fight tough on him. I think JDM's going to have to do that, but just like a step better.
Starting point is 00:33:06 Do what Volk did, keep it incredibly close the entire time. Like, I think that's how he wins. I'd be shocked if he catches him and knocks him out. I know he's got that power in his hands, but I think it's going to have to be grimy. I think it's going to have to be close. I think he's just going to have to be ultra active the entire time. If he gets taken down, you've got to pop right back up. You cannot stay on the ground where Islam's just going to inflict damage throughout the entire round.
Starting point is 00:33:29 You've got to get back up. If he pushes you up against the fence, you've got to get off the fence. You've got to get the striking moments. Like you got to get in the clinch. I was going to say go for takedowns yourself, but that just isn't going to be that helpful, I don't think. You've got to just make it grimy. I agree with you that that's the strategy
Starting point is 00:33:44 I would not point to Porier though I would point to Volk you mentioned Volk I think that's the better route and here's why Porier's game and Jack's game in most cases
Starting point is 00:33:57 is predicated on like a combination of power technique and speed right they're really good punchers but they're not volume guys right they can be they can be if they're in a dog fight like they can up the volume
Starting point is 00:34:09 but really the way they get by is their technique is very clean, and when they hit you, they hit you harder than you hit them. So eventually, it kind of becomes hard to stay in the fight. It kind of becomes hard to be standing across from a guy like JDM or a guy like Dustin because of what they've been doing to you and how they've been bombing on you. Volcanowski is a little bit different. It's much more of a technique, movement, all those things, but the volume, right? It's the wave. It's the avalanche of strikes that are coming at you to disrupt what you're trying to do. And in addition to that, in a fight like the one where Volk had against Islam Makachev,
Starting point is 00:34:49 Volk's base, Volk's center of gravity is extremely low. So he has a good benefit there, right? If Islam wants to take him down, if Islam wants to get him on his legs, he has to really get low. And Volk has a pretty solid foundation to be able to plant his feet and see if he could thwart that takedown attempt. Jack's taller, Jack's longer. it's going to leave a little more opportunity for Islam to get in on the legs and try to get that leverage and potentially get those takedowns if he wants them. And needless to say, the Dagestani guys in terms of takedowns,
Starting point is 00:35:18 it's not just like shoot for a double and if it doesn't work on popping back up. It's that chain wrestling. It's the grabbing, it's switching to the single. It's moving into the cage and doing these things. I think Jack's going to be a little more susceptible. But if he can use the footwork, if he can prevent some of the takedowns or get up after the takedowns, high volume. If he just, in those exchanges, instead of trying to hurt Islam Makachev, which as we've seen, right, is very hard to do.
Starting point is 00:35:41 You can hurt him, but to finish him to actually get him out of there, you need to just have been Adrian Martinez on the best night of your life and that's basically it. So if Jack can keep the volume high and win those in between spaces, whenever Islam is engaging in the striking, if you can land three to his one, if you can land four to his two and just start doubling up, I do think he can find success. there. All right. So in the Bilal fight, he threw 342 significant strikes. I think he's going to have to replicate that here. That's what you have to do. You just got to stay on the gas pedal.
Starting point is 00:36:16 The problem, looking at that fight, though, Balal wanted to throw 300 strikes himself. He threw 318 himself. That's the problem. I don't think he's going to have as many opportunities to throw that many strikes as he is. He needs to make the most of those opportunities that he does have to throw strikes. I was going to say, is he more cautious in, the clip because he knows the threat of the takedown is always waiting.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Oh, he'd better fucking be. I mean, we saw it in the Charles Olavera fight when Islam originally got his belt. Charles O'Olavera is this agent of chaos. He just brings the fight to you. You saw a bit of that cautious, being cautious, from Charles O'Olavera, which you never see, because you know the threat of the complete package from Islam Makashv, so we could see that from JDM on Saturday. That's the other thing, though, that being a high volume and not necessarily wanting to sit
Starting point is 00:37:05 down on your punches and hurt them allows you to do, right? Because you can keep on the footwork. You can keep moving. You can throw punches and bunches. When you want to plant your feet and try to hurt Islam Makachev, man, those feet are about to come off the map because you're going for a take. You're going for a ride when he takes you down. I think Islam's watching the tape from the Basil Hafez fight. I'm sure. You know what? He might not. He might not even be. The game plan is the same with Islam Makachev, and it's different than the Habib. And that's what I've always thought was so unique about Islam compared to Habib is. Isam's perfectly happy to throw hands with you.
Starting point is 00:37:38 Habib kind of did too. He was a little bit of a striker by the end of his career, but Isla can trade with the best of him. I don't think Islam will be out of his depths at all in a pure striking battle with JDM. In fact, we saw Bilal Muhammad who people hate and would criticize to the cows come home about he has no hands and he's just a boring,
Starting point is 00:37:58 crack sniffer and he's just a wrestler, stay on the feet with Jack Della Madalena for the majority of that fight. Isam would be totally... Crack them up. No, Jack beat him up, but look, Balal got his licks in there, too. It was a good fight on the feet. Islam, I don't think, is going to be... Islam doesn't have to worry about Jack on the feet
Starting point is 00:38:15 as much as Jack has to worry about Islam in the takedown. On the ground, yeah. That's the big difference in the fight. And I think that key advantage is going to be very important for Islam. But that's not to say that I think Islam is better than Jack on the feet. That's just to say that the gap between them is significantly smaller than the gap in the grappling. The Balal fight did show me some technique things, though. and some strategy things
Starting point is 00:38:37 that Jack was way, way, way improved. His work with Craig Jones and the rest of his staff and the rest of his team has paid dividends. There were things that he was doing in the Belal-Mohamed fight that you did not see
Starting point is 00:38:49 in the fights with Gilbert Burns and Basil Hafez and other parts of the fights where we go, oh man, maybe Jack doesn't have any takedown defense. He looked significantly improved. There were some technical things
Starting point is 00:39:00 that you could see that he was doing differently. Gilbert Burns went seven of 11. Yeah. And racked up over five minutes of control time. We did not see that in the Belal Muhammad fight. Belal Muhammad got three takedowns and three minutes of control time. That was not the same, that was not the same guy. So I think it will be harder, but man, the gap is still, that if you're looking for what is
Starting point is 00:39:19 one of these two fighters' clearest path to victory, it's absolutely Islam Makachev taking down Jack Della Madalena. There is a world where the takedowns are coming for Islam and they're coming frequently and this looks kind of like one-way traffic. There's also a world where the takedowns don't come that easy. The weight, the size difference actually does matter. We've seen guys go up weight classes and actually struggle. Obviously, the most recent instance,
Starting point is 00:39:44 being Ilya, in a stylistic matchup that worked well for him, isn't the best example, but, like, you have guys like Israel-A-Sania put their undefeated records on the line against a Jan Blahovic, and it's just like, it's just too much. The size difference just matters too much. I don't know if that's going to happen here, because
Starting point is 00:40:00 I don't really worry about Islam's size. That's the problem. His height isn't an interesting. issue. He is also jacked to the gills. If I ever, if I ever looked like Islam Makashchev, I'd be walking around here, shoving people into lockers. Like, I'd be like, what are you going to do, bro? I'd take five milligrams. Until you see Adriano Martinez at the bar with the one drink. No, no, eight whiskeys lined up. Oh, there goes, there goes Martines. That to me is the difference, though. Israel Asana is not a light heavyweight. At the end of the day, like he,
Starting point is 00:40:29 it was a valiant effort. He went up there. Jan Blahovitch is every bit of a light heavyweight. And Israel Adasanya is not. For all accounts, when you hear fighters talk about when they see us on Makachev in person, every one of them says he's a welterweight. Every one of them says that this is the way class he really should have been fighting at. And may have even been the same with Habib. A hundred percent. So that grip strength test, that 161 is crazy.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Are you shocked? No, I'm not shocked. It's the most like, yeah. I know it's Aiden Ross, but I think Aidan Ross was literally tapping to him grabbing his arm. He's like, no, no, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. I mean, I would do the same. He does do the show. 161 pounds of force is quite a bit.
Starting point is 00:41:08 He's an absolute savage. I've glazed him quite a bit in this, but I do think Jack is going to be a tougher fight than maybe he's getting credit for. I actually agree with that a thousand percent. But I don't think this is the guy that stops us on Lockachachov. I just think people find a way to give fighters an air of invincibility when they're on these great winning streaks,
Starting point is 00:41:33 been so dominant. I mean, just look at the last fight, Tom Asperol v. Cyril Gahn. I could even admit to being guilty of like, man, I think Tom's going to run through him. And then, you know, you get three or four minutes into the fight and you're like, huh, this is going differently than I expected. I think the way Volk fought
Starting point is 00:41:49 in the first fight, some people felt the same way. They were surprised with how competitive he was keeping it. Obviously, this is different circumstances. Volk is all time. You know, he was pound for pound number two at the time. J.D.M. sort of got a circumstantial title shot. and capitalized on it, all credit to him. He is the champion. But yeah, I just do think sometimes
Starting point is 00:42:08 people get caught up in the record, in the dominance, and they give fighters this air of invincibility. Absolutely, that happens. I'm seeing some people just being like JDM has no chance. No chance, yeah. I do think, though, that team in particular, Islam, Habib, Umar even They're almost They're almost What's the word I'm looking for? They're they're almost bulletproof when it comes to that right
Starting point is 00:42:40 They are as good as the win streaks show They are as dominant as the performances show They are every bit as good And they have a thing That other people don't have That is just the truth in the same way that Marab has a thing That nobody else has right Not even Umar, not even somebody who I consider a special fighter has in that gas tank, in that cardio that nobody can touch. Nobody can do anything with.
Starting point is 00:43:07 They have this wrestling foundation. Do you have these fundamentals? They have this base of Sambo combined with different forms of wrestling, different styles. Habib more so, right? Habib was this guy who would get in on takedowns and he's transitioning between six different styles before he gets you down and you're completely cooked. Like he's just a load to deal with. They have this thing that they've been trained from birth to do that nobody else can do. It does not matter how long you've been doing MMA. Jack Della Madalena has been doing MMA a shorter amount of time than they've been on the mats doing this for their entire lives. It's just not possible. You can't make up that experience and you can't make up that foundation.
Starting point is 00:43:46 So they're the most protected from that kind of, in my opinion, that team, that group is the most protected from the idea of just like, well they're dominating but like it makes you think they're invulnerable they they truly might be invulnerable it really is just that simple all right official prediction uh who and how i think islam's going to sub him wow yeah to be crazy i don't know when maybe second maybe third i i think islam's going to sub them there's going to be a point in the fight where i believe that jack is not going to be able to prevent the tak down and when he gets on his back it is going to be extremely tough sledding. I've been here since the Pete Rodriguez days.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I ain't jumping off the train now. Are you kidding me? Donnie Giacomo, split decision victory at the garden. Drops them in the fourth round. Everyone goes nuts. Arguments on Twitter. One, four, and five. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:44:38 Two, three, four Islam. It all came down to that fourth round. How'd you score that one? That's my favorite. The Volk? No, when you get a title fight in it, it's just like, it's all going to come down to that second round. How'd you score that one?
Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah, we know. Ben, is that you? We know. The Volk fight was that. The Volk fight did come down to a round. The Volk fight is one where people were like, I thought Volk won, X, Y, Z number of rounds. Even Porier, right?
Starting point is 00:45:03 People, I think, remember that one as being a little closer than it actually was on the scorecards. Islam was up 4-1. Is that a 5th round finish? Yes. Yes, fifth round. He was up 4-1, but I do think that... I think one judge had a 2-2.
Starting point is 00:45:18 That was it. One judge had a 2-2. I do think that... 3-1-2-3-1-2. There it is. That's right. Yeah. Because it didn't go to five different rounds. I do think that Jack is going to be better than what people expect of his takedown defense, but I don't think it's going to hold up over the course of the five rounds.
Starting point is 00:45:38 That's where I'm out. It's tough to deal with the pressure that these Dagestanis. But I don't expect like this, I don't think Islam is not Habib. And we have to continue to kind of like talk about this. Islam is not going in there to shoot doubles on Jack Delamattelina. May he? Is there a world where it looks like Bobby Green where he just takes him down once and it's just a rap and it's night night? Sure. Like that's a possibility. But I don't think he, I think he respects Jack Delamadena. I think he respects the challenge ahead of him at Walterway. And again, remember, the guys he've been fighting have been 155ers. And in the case of Okunovsky 1.45ers, it's not like it's going to just be as easy to get a 170-pound guy like Jack. chew the ground. So I don't think he's coming in there with the game plan of like, oh man, I got to
Starting point is 00:46:22 take Jack down. Once you psych yourself into that and you're like, I got to take Jack down or the opposite is what I feel happened in the Bilal Muhammad fight where Balal was like, I got to stay in the feet. I got to prove to people that I can box with Jack Delamadalina and it didn't look the way he wanted. That ain't going to happen. I can promise
Starting point is 00:46:38 you this camp. Yeah. The two things they're going to do, they're going to come in mentally ready and they're going to come in physically ready. He will be prepared for this fight. If Jack gets heavy on that leg at any point, I think he's going for a ride. That's basically where I stand. Oh, that's incredible. I can't wait for this fucking fight. If Jack's floating, if Jack's bouncing and he's landing three for every one from Islam, it's going to look like a really
Starting point is 00:47:01 good fight. And I think he's got a real chance in that. The moment that leg starts to get heavy, the moment he starts to plant for a shot, I just can't see how Islam doesn't gobble that thing up and dump him. Pause. What a task ahead of him. How he doesn't crack him, you know? gobble it up and crack them. What a task ahead of JDM. I mean... And Islam. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:47:25 Yeah, of course, of course. In front of both of them. And the fact that it goes down at MSG, I got a grin from ear to ear just thinking about it. It's going to be incredible. Let's go to the co-main event, another unbelievable fight taking place at the Mecca, Madison Square Garden. Pound-for-pound, women's number one versus pound-for-pound. Women's number two, the highest-level women's-s-MMA fight.
Starting point is 00:47:47 I think you can make right now. Valentina Shepchenko versus Wai Li Zhang doing the same exact thing as Islam Makashev moving up from 115 up to 125 to challenge for a second belt. And we talk about the Anderson Silva, you know, wind streak stat flying under the radar. I think the fact that Zhang Wei Li could become the first double champion, two division champion at 115 and at 125, or even at 125 and 135 in 135 in women's history is significant. Obviously, because these are real divisions. Yeah, the only, not to shit on women's fly away
Starting point is 00:48:24 but it doesn't exist anymore. Like, sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to shit on women's featherweight, but it doesn't exist anymore. The only double champ in women's history was Amanda Nunez and it was 135, 145. It was kind of like... I would dare say women's featherweight never existed. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:39 When Cyborg... It existed when Cyborg was there and after Cyborg was... Before Cyborg was there, it didn't exist. And after Cyborg left, it didn't exist. And after Cyborg left, it didn't exist. exist. There was no 145 other than Cyborg. Yeah, I mean, she's getting title defenses against like Megan Anderson, where she's like a minus 800 favorite going into all of them. Felicia Spencer for the Featherweight title. It just wasn't top level competition that she was
Starting point is 00:49:02 fighting. It was bad. I think the fact that Zhang could be 115 and 125 champion is incredibly significant. Totally agree. The one thing I'll say is Amanda's win to become the 45 pound champion is. Oh, yeah. Don't get me wrong, bro. Amanda Nunez, the run she went on from, what is it, March of 2016 to December of 2019 is bulletproof, ironclad, unreal. Shevchenko, Misha Tate, Ronda Rousey, Sheffchenko, Pennington, Cyborg, Home, Jermaine Durandum. There's no arguing that. If you beat Cyborg, you have beaten the best 145-pounder on the planet, bar none, in my opinion. They should have just closed the division down at that point. in my opinion the best women's fighter of all time
Starting point is 00:49:47 and so this is the chance that Zhang has in my opinion like whatever happens from here to become flyweight champion you are going to have to beat the best flyweight of all time you are going to have to beat the one that universally unanimously no debate is the best who ever do it in this weight class is the best
Starting point is 00:50:07 to be doing it right now she's proven herself as the flyweight champion if you get this done you have done the impossible right you have done it against the best. And so it is an extremely tough challenge that I think is in front of her. And if you're Valentina, you have thoroughly kind of just like cleared this division out to the point that the toughest test is probably somebody like Zhang, who is the strawweight champion, who is as respecting it and admired amongst her peers as, as you are. This fight is, this, I think this
Starting point is 00:50:41 honestly might be my favorite on the card. I think this is my, my favorite fight that that we're going to have. I love the fight. Zhang Wei is one of my favorite fighters, so is Valentina Shepchenko. I mean, both of them are fantastic for the sport. I don't know if it's the one I'm looking forward to the most. Like, I think it'll be a high volume, a high level match, but like there is a chance that it isn't like the most entertaining fight of the car.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Go back and watch Zhang Wei versus Yohanna and Jacek. Go back and watch that shit. I mean, what? Oh, of course, the OG one and then also the spinning back fist on 275. I had the over one and a half in that one. If you find somebody who will stand and strike with Zhang for a bit, like I expect Valentina to be able to do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:23 You know what? Maybe I'm not going to be able to do. This one's going to be a bagger. Enough credit. Maybe it's just like the, maybe it's like the, the like end of the Tatiana fight and the last two Grasso fights. I was like, yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:51:37 Yeah, this one's going to be sick. This one's going to be sick. I'm with you. I like the idea of them just like throwing down striking, each throwing like 250 strikes over the five rounds in it being. exciting. I think it could go that way and I think now does it have to necessarily
Starting point is 00:51:50 do I think that Valentina Shofchenko might try to take this into the grappling realm? Maybe. Because there's been times where we see Shevchenko really dedicate herself to grappling and make that her game plan, right? What was it, Grasso 2 or 3? I forget which one three, right? Grasso
Starting point is 00:52:07 Which is the one where she... She kind of used it in both, but in Grosso 3 she got to 8 take down. Okay, that's the one where she just kept taking her down over and and over and over. What if that doesn't work, though? Oh, no. The takedown defense that Zhang showed against Tatiana Suarez was like, you don't have shit for me.
Starting point is 00:52:25 Like, going into round two, Tatiana Suarez must have been like, fuck, I am fucked. I've tried taking her down several times. It's not working, and she's piecing me up on the feet. Tatiana's all hard, but she had, the difference between Tatiana and Valentina, I mean, obviously they're different, right? But the biggest difference is for Tatiana, that's option one, two, three, right? If I don't take Zhang down, like, I'm cooked. With Valentina, hey, I can stay in a
Starting point is 00:52:51 strike. Like, I'm a decorated kickboxer. I'm a decorated moitai fighter. I can do this. I can do, I can hold my own here. But she's also not as good in that one singular wrestling discipline. I think if Valentina is going for takedowns, it's a lot more opportunistic. She has very good timing. We see, we saw in the Manon fight, like when she wanted to sometimes kind of mix that in, she was able to do it. We also saw her susceptible against it against her as well. I do think at this point in their careers,
Starting point is 00:53:22 I think Valentina is a little more, a little less devastating, a little less like of a fight closer than I expect Zhang to be. Zhang is a powerhouse. Like you just, you take one look at her and you can tell, like she can crack and then you see her fight
Starting point is 00:53:37 and you know that she brings that kind of power. I do think she's going to be the one who's landing, probably the stiffer shots. And I do worry that at this point in her career, if Valentina has become a little bit more predictable, right? The game plan, the patterns, the tape is out. The same way, like, the reason Anderson Silva's record is so impressive,
Starting point is 00:53:56 not to go away from the co-main back to the main, but for a second, the reason that Anderson Silva record is so impressive, and the reason why John Jones is the goat is because there is infinite tape on these people. When you fought 13 times and won 13 times in the UFC like Anderson Silva, everybody knows what the hell you can do. When you're John Jones, you've fought 30 times in the UFC and have won all the time, everybody knows what you're going to do.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Valenciano Chouchenko, there's infinite tape on her. And every fight you get is the best up-and-comer starving. Starving for that belt. There's an Alexa Grasso every time. There's a Tatiana Suarez. There's some kind of challenger that's always going to be there
Starting point is 00:54:35 that is this is their moment. This is their best opportunity. Zhang is trying to make her name on Valentina Shia Chenko. And so she's had to do this over and over and over and over and over. And there's so much out there. I do wonder if at a certain point, somebody like Zhang Wei Lee, who brings a little more explosion, who's just a little bit more powerful, who might be able to just stand in the pocket with her, finds the patterns and can close the show. Two things to note. I did misremember that Tatiana fight. She did get a takedown and some control time in the first round. That was the
Starting point is 00:55:04 only round she had any success. That was it. That was the rest of the fight. Number two, they are 37 and 36, so the age isn't that different, but I do agree with you in the sense that, like, it feels like this like career resurgence from Zhang, this like almost like championship run part two, she's just been like that much more aggressive, that much more of like a dog, just like great physicality. And I think she's going to bring this here. I think it's kind of similar to Islam Makashev in the sense that like, bro, she was strong as shit at 115 and now giving her those extra 10 pounds to bulk up. I mean, she's picking up who, Shaq and Francis and Ganu at this size. Whoever, yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:39 So I think she's going to add on muscles. She's going to do it properly. You know, if you watch Embedded, she talks about how all she literally does is just eat sleep, train, eat sleep, train, eat sleep, train. She's dedicated to this life. I think she's going to come into 125 properly. I think her explosive and her speed is going to carry.
Starting point is 00:55:57 And I'm going to give the edge just to Zhang Wei. I mean, I did it last December, 11 months ago. We did the prediction show. I said she'd beat Tatiana Suarez. She goes up to 125. she beats Valentina Shepchenko, double champ, female fighter of the year.
Starting point is 00:56:11 I'm not changing on my prediction now. I love it. I was on Tatiana in that fight. I was proven wrong. I do believe that Zhang is going to be a little bit sharper, a little bit faster, a little bit stronger.
Starting point is 00:56:25 I lean ever so slightly there. But in saying that I do believe she's going to have those slight advantages, I think they're very slight. I think that Valentina is still very, very good. I think she's extremely high level. it's going to be close and it's going to be close and it's going to come down to winning rounds and so would I be shocked if one of those rounds that just needs to swing goes her way
Starting point is 00:56:47 not even a little bit this is one of those ones where if you just showed me Saturday night and it was them reading out the score cards it was like 4847 yeah bell 4847 saliamano and then you're a winner of a split decision i'd just be like yeah yeah that's not any girl can either woman can win this one It wouldn't shock me either way. Finishing potential, though, you have to lean Zhang, right? Like, if you're... I think so, yeah, but I don't think she's finished her last three opponents.
Starting point is 00:57:14 Yeah, it... I felt like she could have gotten Janjohn-Nan out of there, but, like, she's talking about dog. Yeah, and Janjanon is, like, this tier of dog. Like, um, barking in there. I do, I just feel like the power, man, and especially moving up at the... Sometimes, obviously, when you're moving up a weight class, you're losing power, right? Like, when you're talking about, let's say you're a middleweight going up to 205,
Starting point is 00:57:37 you're you're giving up something actually probably in terms of the power department because at middle weight those guys can crack but now at at light heavy weight there's a different level of power i think the difference in power between 115 and and 125 is actually to the point that if jang doesn't have to deplete herself and cut down she's actually probably going to be more powerful at 25 i wouldn't be surprised if it's more similar to like iliotoporia where it's like oh i don't have to sacrifice this in my body or connor mcgregor right i I don't have to sacrifice this in my body. I don't have to be at such a calorie deficit that I'm cutting out some of my strength and you get up to that new weight class and that power translates and that power carries super well. I actually expect Zhang to maybe be a little more powerful
Starting point is 00:58:21 at 125. Maine and Co-Main are unbelievable. You have two fighters trying to become two division champions. The four fighters combined, JDM, Islam, Zhang Wei, and Valenti,
Starting point is 00:58:37 Shepchenko. Yeah. 48 and 6 in the UFC. Yeah. This is as good as it gets. Forty-eight and six in the UFC, and then their individual records, Islam 27 and 1, Jadim, 18, and 2. Valentina, 25, 4 and 1, and then Wiley Jang, 26 and 3.
Starting point is 00:58:54 Is Islam still number one pound for pound for the UFC? Nah, Alia. Okay. So you've got the number two pound for pound. I think JDM's like eight or nine. The number eight, and then you've got the one and two, right? fucking crazy. It's nuts. Crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:10 With titles on the line, legacies on the line, like it's incredible, dude. It's as good as it gets. If you're not excited for this, you ain't a fight fan. Let's go to the featured bout on the main card. Sean Brady,
Starting point is 00:59:25 our boy, our duck, taking on the undefeated Michael Morales, 18 and 0. I actually want to show a couple pictures of Michael Morales rolling around New York. City. If you know Ball, you know, Michael Morales,
Starting point is 00:59:40 Miles Morales, into the Spider-Verse, he posted these pictures going around. In the Miles Morales, Spider-Man suit, I've got to say pretty sick. I think Into the Spider-Verse, or across the Spider-Verse, whichever one the second one was, is my favorite movie of the decade so far.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Went and Salton Theater's three times. Absolutely loved it. Can't wait for the third one. They could finish this trilogy off beautifully. Honestly, I'm due for a re-watch. I'm going to re-watch it tonight. unbelievable movie but yeah shout to Michael Morales showing a little bit of
Starting point is 01:00:09 a little bit of personality there that's also his IG pick is just the Miles Morales He looks good in the suit shout out shout out to him looks looks good period you know rocking the purple shorts
Starting point is 01:00:19 the platinum blonde hair 18 and O he's got the look but on Saturday he gets Sean Brady a lot on the line here if he's able to get this done if he's able to finish Sean Brady
Starting point is 01:00:32 in the way that he finished Neil Magny and Gilbert Burns my God, he might get the title shot. If he goes out there and knocks Sean Brady out in the first round, there's a world where this kid gets a title shot. Very possibly. Now that's easier said than done. Can you do it against Sean Brady?
Starting point is 01:00:46 Who was in a very similar situation three years ago, undefeated prospect, gets a guy near the top end of the division in Bilal Muhammad, kind of meets his match in that one. Sort of like, you need to go back to the lab and work on a few things, gets knocked out in the second round by Bilal Muhammad, now on a three-fight win streak since then. Michael Morales, 18-0, getting a guy at the top end of the division.
Starting point is 01:01:10 Is it too much too soon for Michael Morales? Or is this guy just the truth? I mean, sometimes when fighters have O's, it can make us a little bit delusional in the fact that, like, they're unbeatable, they're untouchable. And, you know, most of the time, except in like the case of Habib, you see that O get taken away eventually.
Starting point is 01:01:27 Yeah. I think Michael Morales is every bit as good as his record. And I think the physical gifts that he has are a huge advantage over every welter rate he's going to face. Like he is just a massive human with insane power, freak athleticism. Those are the attributes you'd want if you're a fighter. Across from him, though, I think we have one of the better technicians in the sport in terms of the grappling game. Like, Sean Brady is an absolute A-plus grappler. with strength and
Starting point is 01:02:01 strength to get you to the mat strength technique he has everything in order to control where the fight goes to me this is like one of those fights that I really don't actually know which way it's going to go I lean ever so like I don't really have a strong lean like in the co-main I feel Zhang but I expect it to be close
Starting point is 01:02:20 in the main I feel Islam I expect him to finish the fight with this one I really don't know I truly do not know how this is going to go because I think if Sean Brady can get mitts on him, and if Michael Morales isn't able to just plant his tree trunk legs and be like, no, you're not taking me down, if he takes Michael Morales down, he's in a world of trouble. Sean Brady is the type of guy that all he needs is one takedown, and you are,
Starting point is 01:02:42 you are in a very, very bad position. On the other side of it, if Sean Brady slips up in any phase of the striking and Michael Morales launches those massive arms at him, he could go to sleep instantaneously. It just is that. So I don't know which way this goes. this feels like more of like a this is like rock paper scissors to me right where it's like we're gonna just throw these hands out there and somebody's gonna win
Starting point is 01:03:07 I don't really know how it's gonna go but somebody's gonna have paper and somebody's gonna have scissors or somebody's gonna have a rock and somebody's gonna have scissors and one of them's gonna win but it's not like I don't think there's like the shades I don't think there's like
Starting point is 01:03:19 the the storytelling in this fight where it's like it's gonna be like in this phase he's gonna do this and this guy is gonna have this moment one of these guys is gonna implement their game plan and all they're lost In the Gilbert Burns fight, it didn't last long enough for him to get testing the grappling. Max Griffin went for like eight takedowns against him.
Starting point is 01:03:35 Max Griffin is not Sean Brady. This is one of those fights. I'm with you where starts out, minute in, Sean Brady blasts the double stuff. They're back at range. That's bad news. Sean Brady tries to get in on a single, you know, Michael Morales hops around for a bit, shoves them off their back at range. I will immediately be like, there's a chance that Sean Brady's in trouble here.
Starting point is 01:03:57 And then on the flip side of that, if Sean Brady blasts across the cage, puts his back up against the fence, tucks his legs out, dumps him down onto the mat, it'll be the same thing for Michael Morales. I'll be like, Michael Morales is probably in trouble here because he's probably just going to go for a ride again. The dominance that Sean Brady showed against Leon Edwards. Yeah. And I understand that Leon Edwards is at a different point in his career than when he was holding the title in the back-to-back wins over Camaro Oussbaum. But dude, to do it. that to a former champion just like pillar to post and be the first guy to finish him, I think he has improved his game significantly since the Belal fight. I see some people being like, oh man, if he gets caoed by Belal, then like, what's Michael Morales going to do to him? It's just like, well, that was three years ago, and he has been training nonstop ever since and improving his game. I don't think it works like that. I think it's the inverse. I think he's now the one being the veteran. He's taking the lumps in the UFC. He's, he's fought at the top tier of this division
Starting point is 01:04:59 and I'm going to edge him but whoa easy Jesus we're all over the place you're like rock paper scissors they're going to go out there and just throw it out I was like all right man someone's getting cracked someone's getting cracked yeah I'm going Sean Brady but
Starting point is 01:05:15 these all three of these so far it's just like do not come in me win and if they're wrong the only thing I do want to go back to the ball fight because Sean Brady's mind was not in the right place of that fight and he can't he's come on
Starting point is 01:05:33 several times to talk to Ariel about that like he just wasn't mentally where he needed to be for that fight and it was a it was a really rough fight for him in addition to the fact that when you're going into fight Belal Muhammad that's not what you're preparing for right like you're not expecting to get a flashed by yeah you're not expecting to get flashed by Belal Muhammad you're expecting to have
Starting point is 01:05:52 kind of like uh We're all over the place. Yeah, we're saying a lot of... John Brady flashed by the Will Muhammad. Pause for everything from this point nowhere. But my point is, I say that to say, Sean Brady is taking a fight against the guy that everybody knows that his path to victory
Starting point is 01:06:12 is to stand there and put you on the end of a punch, or like some kind of kick or knee or whatever. But his path to victory is to hit you at range, is to just strike you with something that is devastating and take you out of there. Whereas Balal I think is a very well-rounded fighter He has different weapons He has different ways to win the fight
Starting point is 01:06:29 And so If you are Sean Brady And you accept this fight You know what you have to do in this fight There is no secret to what your game plan has to be You have to stay extremely safe on the feet You have to stay out of trouble in every part of that And then when it comes time to take him down
Starting point is 01:06:44 You take him down and you submit him And you get it done there So I think by Sean Brady Even signing on the dotted line Against the killer like him He knows what the game plan is and he is going to stick to that very, very strictly. Can't wait for that one.
Starting point is 01:06:58 These top three are so, so good. So is the rest of the main card. Let's keep it rolling. Leon Edwards versus Carlos Proches, Sean Brady's last opponent. I actually saw a crazy butterfly effect. It was supposed to be Leon versus JDM in London. Yes. And then JDM had to pull out, but then Shavkat was injured,
Starting point is 01:07:20 so he didn't ever get the call. So they needed someone for Belaw. and so it ended up being JDM and then Sean Brady steps up against Leon Edwards It's like this whole spider web of the Walterway division But now you have JDM versus Islam And then Leon and Sean Brady fighting underneath it Leon gets Carlos Proches
Starting point is 01:07:38 And we got some new venom shorts here That a picture's been surfacing of Leon and Prochis in these new shorts And a lot of people I see out there saying you know, oh, Leon got his chain snatched. He lost his, he lost his custom shorts. Oh, these look great. I am, you know, the number one shorts guy.
Starting point is 01:08:03 The OG Venom are actually the best. We don't need these updates. For sure, all the Venom shorts are great. This picture everyone's like, yo, Leon got his chain snatch, bro. He lost his custom shorts, man. He fell off, like Unka's chopped. He didn't have his custom shorts against Sean Brady. Just at the black shorts.
Starting point is 01:08:18 Now, this is it, man. This is the peak of MMA fashion. Throw some red triangles on there. Triangles on the side, on the hips. Conspiracy floating around out there that, you know, they always announced the new shorts on Tracy Cortez's card. I can neither confirm or deny, you know. It's a valiant conspiracy theory.
Starting point is 01:08:36 Yeah, new shorts, though. They suck. As do all the shorts that Venom makes for the U.S. They suck. I don't know why we need a new one. It's just the OG back in the day where... There's nothing special. Do we have custom shorts?
Starting point is 01:08:49 Did we get any new revelations of custom shorts? No, because they... I think the purple's a little bit richer. Oh, wow. Yeah. Thank the heavens. Yeah. Thank God we got the richer purple.
Starting point is 01:08:57 Turned up the richness on the purple. The clip art was firing on all cylinders that day. Fucking hell. These garbage-ass shorts. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. This is it. God, they always deliver it, aren't they?
Starting point is 01:09:11 Black and gold looks good. Oh, it looks so good. It looks so good. But fitting of a champion. The yellow looks fucking horrid. The whole thing. thing is just, what is this? What even are the triangles?
Starting point is 01:09:26 Look a big GM3. Look at our guy machine gun in the dark green. Chapay. Whoop. By the way, BSD, I'm noticing this now. I've always noticed it, but I've never articulated it. The beard always looks like he's frowning.
Starting point is 01:09:42 The beard into the... He looks like a ventriloquist dummy. Like someone's going to put his hand in the back and start talking with him. He always has that. And the beard outlines the shape because it's like around the mouth line. Can't wait to order these in every color?
Starting point is 01:09:58 Oh, yeah, for sure. The tights, the moitai. Oh, yeah. The one with the cut up the side. Who's got the new custom with the clip art on it? I didn't see any custom ones this week. Oh, wow. Did Islam have custom ones?
Starting point is 01:10:11 We've been robbed. All right. Leon Edwards, Carlos Proches. Carlos Proches is a sizable favorite. Mine is 200 in that range. I don't know where Leon's at in his. career, but after watching the Ian Gary, Carlos Proche's fight, Leon Edwards has never been knocked out. This fight is only three rounds. Is there any world where Leon Edwards is able to
Starting point is 01:10:32 implement a similar game plan as Ian Gary? Yeah, there absolutely is. I think it's extremely likely that Leon Edwards is going to have some good success on the feet. The thing about the Ian Gary fight, though, was it did not look like Carlos was Carlos. And he's not come out and said anything about that. He hasn't said anything to the effect of, like, a reason why he just didn't show up for that fight, but he did not look like himself. I would not, if I was Leon Edwards,
Starting point is 01:11:02 that is definitely not the version I would be expecting to come into the cage. I would not be praying that the I am Machado Gary version of Carlos Proches walks into the cage. I'd be preparing for that Jeff Neal version. I'd be preparing for that Neal-Magney version. And if that version does show up, I do think Leon's in quite a bit of trouble. because the power is just completely different
Starting point is 01:11:22 the power levels between those two is about as big as a gap as you can have in a division Carlos is a guy who puts people to sleep and Leon is not right save for the Kamaru Usman head kick from the heavens from the gods he is much more of a volume
Starting point is 01:11:39 and technique guy so I'd be worried you know I love Proches could someone bring me my cigarettes I forgot my cigarettes in the control room there love Carole Carlos Proches, if he is able to put out Leon Edwards on Saturday night, Leon Edwards would have then lost three straight, be miles from the title, been submitted by Sean Brady, first
Starting point is 01:12:02 time he ever got finished, be knocked out by Carlos Prochis, first time he's ever been knocked out. Where do you go from there at that point? It feels like the career is approaching an end if that were to happen. It would be bad, but I would point to a counterpart in Kamara Usman. who experienced some similar turbulence who kind of hit the bump in the road and then was able to write the ship and actually is still like a relevant and present guy in this division
Starting point is 01:12:30 I don't think this is doom or gloom for Leon Edwards if he loses because you look at the level of competition he's facing Balmah Muhammad, Sean Brady, Carlos Prochette these are the killers of this division now like these are the guys I wouldn't I wouldn't jump too quick to a conclusion
Starting point is 01:12:45 that like it's over for Leon like this guy could never be anything again I think he can still hang around the top of the division but what I would need if I was Leon Edwards is a favorable fight like I would need a fight against the guy that I can get my mojo back with and win the fight and look comfortable on my feet
Starting point is 01:13:01 and showcase a little bit these are the types of fights that you take when you're trying to get back to a title right if he loses to Carlos I don't think he's getting back to a title and I think that's when you start looking at how can I stay relevant in this division give me somebody that's a good matchup
Starting point is 01:13:16 I'll actually make the argument that he thinks that this is this is that by getting Carlos Prochis, who is a striker. Losing the grapplers. It's possible. And getting a strikler, I think he thinks that this is a very winnable. I would think maybe a little longer in the tooth, but yeah, he maybe because he's talked about it, right? It's been
Starting point is 01:13:32 a while since, like, Sean Brady, Balal Muhammad, Colby Coving to Kamar Usman, Kamar Usman, not since Nate in 2021, as he faced a guy whose primary style is not grappling. Now, granted, Balal Mohammed has has become a little bit more of like a
Starting point is 01:13:47 wrestle boxer, right? It's not all takedowns. But for all intents and purposes, Colby, Camaro, Balal, Brady, these are grapplers. These are primarily grapplers and guys you have to worry about their takedowns. I don't think we have that same expectation for Carlos. I think we're expecting them to stand in trade. The difference, though, is the youth, the hunger, the power. That is a, like, there was a point where Leon was that guy. Now I think Carlos is that guy. Yeah, I also think that the loss to Ian Gary can be a learning moment for Carlos, not to just rely on the not. knockout because if that Ian Gary fight stops after three rounds, which this fight is going to be, it's just like, damn, he got his door, his doors blown off.
Starting point is 01:14:26 Yeah. Obviously, he had the moment in the fifth round and it looked like, you know, he could potentially be doing something in terms of getting a finish. He had, you know, he and Gary crawling to the side of the cage and everything like that, wasn't able to get him out of there. But, man, if that one only goes three rounds, it's just like, damn, 30-27s across the board, like Ian Gary just showed levels. He looked pretty back against Jeff Neal.
Starting point is 01:14:45 Yeah. He looked pretty back against Jeff. I'd say so. I'd say so. Let's go to the last fight on the main car. The first one we'll be watching on Saturday night. Wait, so I'm leaning Carlos. Are you in agreement there? Carlos, Carlos. Come on, get the sigs out. I'll be cheering for old Carlos on Saturday night. But Neil Darius, taking on Benoit, Saint-D-B-S-D. I think this one is just like, what Darius are we going to get? It's knocked out by Armin, gets knocked out by Charles, gets dropped bad by Moikano. It was looking like we were on the way to three straight first round.
Starting point is 01:15:17 K-O losses, dogs it out, gets it done against Moikano. And honestly, on the flip side of that, what BSD are we going to get? Gets a couple wins back in a row,
Starting point is 01:15:28 but man, like there was a, that Moikano fight, the Porier fight, it's just like, who's going to show up? I think BSD is making the proper improvements. He's still young in this game,
Starting point is 01:15:39 and I think he gets it done here. I think he brings just like that violent nature to Dereus. And like where he outdogged Moichano, Moichano admitted to getting tired. I don't think BSD is going to let that happen. No, there comes a certain point where you can't be the guy who only
Starting point is 01:15:53 is tough, right? At this point, the technique for B'Neil, the level of skill against Moikano looked diminished, right? He still had that dog in him, as you said, he survived danger, a lot of danger
Starting point is 01:16:09 in the beginning of that fight and was able to tough it out to win. Against BSD, when you're in danger like that, it's not the same as when you're in danger against Moikano. Like, BSD will close the door on that. BSD will finish that. And BSD is a guy who hit a little bit of a rough patch. Since then, though.
Starting point is 01:16:26 Against Moikano. Since then, though, ruthless. Like, ruthless sufficiency. Like, the hoopie was nuts. Just domination. The hoofy was like, I'm back. Yeah, he looks back. He looks like he's figured out what he needs to figure out
Starting point is 01:16:41 in terms of, I'm not only here to get into wars, although he loves the war. I was going to say, bro, Daryush can crack. Like, this could end up being, like, a super exciting focus. Garyush can crack, but, like, as the years go on, that starts to fade. The, the timing, the speed, the ability to read that starts to fade. You get the gray in the beard. Is this a...
Starting point is 01:17:00 Well, he's been gray since he was, like, 12. Is this a Daryush-Moycano type situation? No, no, not. BSD's still just 29. I thought it was going to be like a... No, no, no. BSD's on the younger side. And so...
Starting point is 01:17:10 BSD being 29. He's kind of tripping me out. 30? Looks like he's fucking 38. Yeah. He looks like he's been around. That is it. Even though he's like a nice, like, happy guy.
Starting point is 01:17:21 Oh, he's always smiling. But in the, in the, um, the portrait photos. Or it's just. Yeah. In the portrait photos, it's that. Um, I, I expect BSD to actually, like, I'm surprised he's only like near, what is he near two to one now? What do we got right now?
Starting point is 01:17:36 BSD minus 180. I'm a little surprised. Yeah. I think this is BSD's fight. Yeah. I think it's going to be a good one. Let's go, uh, quickly to a couple on the prelims. The featured.
Starting point is 01:17:45 prelim of the night. Doesn't get the main card slur, but he gets the feature prelim Bow Nickel taking on Hidalpho, Vieira, trying to bounce back after his loss to Rainier de Ritter in Des Moines, which we were at. Back in May, just got the fight brought to him, the knees crushing, ended up finishing him. He's taking a ton of flak sense. I think he's ready to bounce back. Gets a grappler this time in Hedolfo Vieira. I kind of feel like the grappling is probably just going to equal out. They'll end up striking, and I'll favor or Bo Nicol? I don't.
Starting point is 01:18:17 Oh, wow. Hadoffo Vieira. No. I don't think the grappling he's just going to say, fuck the striking. I'm taking this dude down. I think it could
Starting point is 01:18:25 respectfully to Hadoffo Vieira. Yeah. If Bo will control where this fight goes and he will finish it in either. I mean, of course,
Starting point is 01:18:33 he dominates in the wrestling. But does he want to take it to the ground with Fiera? Yes. Okay. And if he's in there, he's going to hurt him
Starting point is 01:18:40 pretty bad. Yeah, I also think I think after the the RDR fight. I think he knows that let's get this one to the map. He's going to be a lot smarter with that. He will have probably an advantage
Starting point is 01:18:52 in the striking just from the lack of damage that he's taken throughout his career. Yeah. And Hidalpho has taken his biggest advantage is going to be on the mat. If he takes Adolfo down, look, bottom game, BJJ is very difficult in
Starting point is 01:19:08 2025 MMA. Like, it is just difficult. These wrestlers have gotten so fucking good at sitting in guard or finding a way to side control and just staying safe, Hidalpho is, as far as, like, decorated pure BJJ practitioners goes, this guy is cream of the crop.
Starting point is 01:19:26 This guy is one of the best of all time when it comes to that sport. But in MMA, we've seen them submitted by Fluffy Hernandez, right? Like, it is not the same game. It's just not the same game. If Bow's able to get on top, I think it's going to be bad, bad, bad for Hidalpho Vieira.
Starting point is 01:19:42 I expect it might happen. And so I think this is a, a really nice bounceback matchup for Bo and I think he's going to cruise. He needs it. I agree. I think he gets it done. We will see how it plays out on Saturday night. Roman Koppilov versus Gregory Rodriguez Robocop. This is a banger. This is an absolute banger. I've like, I like completely blacked out on the Koppilov-Kasta fight. I like barely even remember that thing happening. I was like, oh yeah, I guess they did fight to a decision. Costa got back in the wind column. Six of Koppelow's last eight have not gone the distance.
Starting point is 01:20:13 seven of Robocop's last eight have knock on the distance these are two dudes who if they get in a kickboxing match I think someone is going to get put out. Yeah and it could be either one but I'm leaning Robocop. I tend to favor
Starting point is 01:20:29 him in these types of things because he's just shown such a propensity to be able to take the damage and he almost like kind of surprisingly knocks people out after taking that damage. It's one of those like holy shit I can't believe he reversed that I'm a fan and I think Roboble Cops
Starting point is 01:20:46 can have a slide edge here not only takes the damage but it almost feels like he enjoys the damage a little bit it gets him going to the point that now he's like
Starting point is 01:20:53 oh I can finish this fight now was knocked out by Jared Kennedy or was knocked out by Bruno Fahara so I wouldn't put it past Roman Coppilov for sure
Starting point is 01:20:59 it's going to be fantastic man these last seven must see television must see television let's keep it rolling along one more fight before we go to break Aaron Blanchfield versus Tracy Cortez
Starting point is 01:21:09 rematch of their 2019 split decision in Invicta Tracy was the one that got our hand raised there now Aaron Blanchfield is the minus 235 favorite but obviously that was Aaron Blanchfield's fourth professional fight Tracy Cortez's sixth professional fight very different fighters at this point in their career
Starting point is 01:21:26 it feels like this is the fight that's like guaranteed to go to a decision both like grappling heavy styles and if they do stay on the feet not a ton of power both durable women I just don't see either of them getting in a finish in terms of a winner
Starting point is 01:21:42 Blanchefield, the improvements she's made since the 2019 fight are massive. I'll side with her. I side with Blanchfield because I think she's going to be able to determine where it takes place, right?
Starting point is 01:21:52 I think Tracy is a very aggressive wrestler, but I do think she's going to have trouble getting Blanchefield down or getting Blanchfield to stay down and keeping her there. Whereas with Blanchfield, she doesn't necessarily need
Starting point is 01:22:06 to take Tracy down, but if she does, she has opportunities for submissions and she's going to be able to control that. So I think her being able to dictate whether it stays on the feet or goes to the mat, I think is going to be the advantage there. But you're right. Like it is similar styles coming back at each other.
Starting point is 01:22:20 I can see it being like a greasy split. Yeah. I could also see it going like the Rose fight, but Rose had five rounds, the Rose Tracy fight. Rose had five rounds in that one. And it was kind of like as the fight went on, she was able to start getting takedown. She knocked her down at one point.
Starting point is 01:22:34 It was sort of just like the amount of time spent in the octagon. Rose just proved to be better. Over the three rounds, man, I could see it. It's just being nasty close. Yeah, I agree. It's one of those that it's like maybe not a lot's going to happen and not a lot to score because they're going to be so good at neutralizing each other. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:22:53 All right, those are the first eight. We'll break down the rest of the card after a quick break. Do not go anywhere. We'll be back in just a moment. All right, let's keep rolling along on this UFC 322, just a few more fights to get into. And the next up is a big one here at Uncrown Studios. Malcolm Wellmaker taking it on Cody
Starting point is 01:23:11 Haddon. We love our Aussies. We love the Australians out there. Much love to the Australians. We'll be supporting the Australian in the main event. At least I will. But this is a Malcolm Wellmaker program. This is Malcolm Wellmaker household. This is Malcolm Wellmaker family. We support the machine around here,
Starting point is 01:23:30 the true machine at 135. Easy. And that's Mr. Malcolm Wellmaker. Not much to break down. I'm thinking right hook, four straight, a la. Walter Walker, heel hook, four straight. The toughest test of Malcolm's career. Easily.
Starting point is 01:23:46 By a mile. Biggest stage as well. But a guy who seems prepared for the moment, right? Like, he has met the challenge on every level, and you can't teach what he has, right? That devastating power, that athleticism, that ability to kind of find that hook is, it's the Alex Pereira thing, right? It's that thing where it's just like he knows how to get to his spot and he knows how to knock people unconscious. Malcolm has proven that so far in his run. We'll see if he can do that again.
Starting point is 01:24:18 I wouldn't be surprised if maybe this one gets extended a little bit, but I do expect that he will be successful. The one thing that does concern me is that he talked to, when he talked to Halwani on Tuesday, he talked about how in every fight where he's gotten taken down, he's been able to get to the fight back to where he wants it to go and be able to strike with the guy. I am curious to see what happens if he isn't able to do that. If he isn't able to get up, if he isn't able to change the game plan from what his opponent is trying to implement on him. And we'll see if that happens on Saturday night. Every round starts on the feet, my friend. Every round starts on the feet. And I'm going to favor Malcolm Wellmaker if it stays standing.
Starting point is 01:24:55 It's going to be a fantastic fight, though, because if Cody Haddon's able to pull it off, he kind of snatches a little popularity off a Wellmaker. I feel like Wellmaker's got a nice flow going to him. I feel like he's easy to root for. People are on board with him. Cody Ahead can stop that train on Saturday, though. You're 100% right. It definitely, that momentum has felt.
Starting point is 01:25:12 What's crazy about it is, like, Malcolm at 31 is this, like, Uber prospect. He's the guy that everybody's like, man, Malcolm, Malcolm, Malcolm. I kind of felt similarly about Adrian Yanyes for a bit where I was like, he's the guy, the guy with the hands, that crispy boxing. We love him. And everybody was trying to push him. He hit a little bit of a rough patch, and we saw what happened from there. Cody is 27.
Starting point is 01:25:32 So if you get a win over Malcolm. all of a sudden you take some of that shine and you're able to capitalize on that, he's a guy that you could quickly pivot to getting behind. Malcolm, like, he even has like a way that he speaks and acts that it feels like he's younger than he is. 100%. Andy in the back was just like, man, he's just so Gen Z. I was like, no, he's my exact age.
Starting point is 01:25:51 We graduated high school. What are you? Your, you're... Millennial? Millennial? Yeah, yeah. I think I'm... Young millennial?
Starting point is 01:25:58 Am I a millennial? I'm seeing millennials getting shit on online these days. Who's to check? I'm checking, Frank. I'm to check. getting shit on these days. Yeah, born between 81 and 96, so I'm also a millennial. All right, it is time to break down the Action Bronson main event,
Starting point is 01:26:13 which by default becomes the G.C. main event. Oh, I love it. For the week, Jailed Mershart, GM3, taking on Kyle Dawkins. This is the one. You circle this one. There it is. GM3, Kyle Doccus. We're doing a lot of hand today.
Starting point is 01:26:32 Yeah, yeah, yeah, cranking. Good God. It's a little confusing. Cranking, huh? Cranking, what? What's the wrong with both of you? Action Bronson main event. GM3 not on a great run right now, man.
Starting point is 01:26:43 No. Three straight losses. Finished and two of them. 12 and 12 overall in the UFC now. 37 and 20? It's a lot of fights, man. Fucking hell GM3. It's a lot of fights.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Would it be crazy for me to say that I think he needs this win to potentially keep his job? Or do you think he's just one of those guys that just hangs around? I would keep him forever. Yeah. Why get rid of a guy like that? He's happy to show up. He's happy to be either side of the thing, right? It's either young guy that needs the rub and he can get over on GM3 if he gets a win,
Starting point is 01:27:14 or he can be like the veteran guy who they're putting him in against another veteran, but he has a little bit more name value and you could build. Like, I wouldn't let him go. If he wants to keep fighting, he's the type of guy that I'd keep around forever. So no, I mean, he's beyond wins or losses at this point. When you're 37 and 20, it's not a win or loss game. 155th UFC fight. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:27:35 It kind of feels like a Brad Tavares territory. Have they fought before? Yes, yeah. Two fights ago for him. Mikhail Ola Sheikik and Brad Tavares were his last two. Brad Tavaris is the striking GM3. Yeah, for sure. The high volume striking GM3.
Starting point is 01:27:53 Doc is cut back in 2022. Goes over to CFFC. He's able to get the title over there. A couple title defenses comes back against Michelle Pereira. an underdog, finishes him in the first round, snags a 50K bonus, and now he's a minus 500
Starting point is 01:28:08 to get his second one in the UFC this year. I don't know if I love that at minus 500 for a guy that gets a lot of submissions against the dude in GM3 that's very hard to submit. I do think Kyle
Starting point is 01:28:19 will be the superior grappler, but the submission that GM3 might be able to throw up is always at play. GM3 is definitely live, but... You'd have to get to round 3, though. Yeah, minus 500 is...
Starting point is 01:28:32 No, minus 500 is... No, minus 500's nuts. Minus 500 is nuts. It's a hefty price to pay. That's a hefty price to pay. All side with Docchus, but not that confidently. I'm in the same boat. I think Docis is going to control this fight, but that is an absurd line.
Starting point is 01:28:45 That's a Hamdi line where it's like, why? Why do we have to have that line? Hamdi looked great in that fight. No, he did it. Good enough to get cut. Yeah, exactly. No, he really didn't. He looked on the level of Chris Barnett, which is not what you want from like, what was he 600,
Starting point is 01:29:00 minus 600 or something? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not what you want. Barnett's ass is out. This is the whole mess of a mess of a thing. Chepe Mariscow versus Pat Sabatini, the second rematch on our UFC 322 card. We had Aaron Blanchfield and we had Tracy Cortez this time.
Starting point is 01:29:16 Chepe machine gun Mariscao versus Pat Sabatini. They fought at Victory FC60, where I believe he won a split decision, just like Tracy Cortez won a split decision over Aaron Blanchfield. Chepe Mariscall, though. Yeah. Eight fight win streak. Yep.
Starting point is 01:29:32 five and oh in the UFC and I was looking at his losses today outside the UFC Joe Anderson Brito made it to the UFC Steve Garcia made to the UFC as a top 10 featherweight Sean Soriano made it to the UFC didn't have success over five Bryce Mitchell made to the UFC ranked featherweight Gregor Gillespie made it to the UFC went seven and one like ranked lightweight for sure he's bro he's nice with it like he even his losses outside the UFC are to high level of competition five and oh in the UFC now he gets a
Starting point is 01:30:02 rematch against Pat Sabatini? Action said it, man. We're signing with machine gun. I do lean toward him in this fight. Sabatini is extremely good, though. In the grappling realm, this is one of the nastiest guys
Starting point is 01:30:18 that we've got. And so Chepa is going to have to keep himself safe. But on the feet, man, I do think Chepa is going to be able to find his spots there. So I'm leaning toward Chepa. It just feels like he has so much momentum right now. You got to get the weight. In order, right? You got a big weight.
Starting point is 01:30:34 And then I think it's going to be great. Philly's own. Philly zone. You could do a little Pat Sabatini, Sean Brady Parley. You're a Philly guy. This is a really fun fight, though. This is when I'm looking forward to a lot. Angela Hill will be taking on Fatima Klein.
Starting point is 01:30:47 Fatima Klein, a massive favorite. Not surprising. Stylistically, this feels like Klein can take it where she wants to go in. It'll be in her realm. Angela Hill is the GM3, right? It's like she has fought every single person in this division. She's got, he's 18 and 15, I don't know how many of those in the UFC, like 33 professional fights, 28 of them in the U.S. Yeah, there you go. The other four and Invicta.
Starting point is 01:31:11 She has been in the U.S. for her entire career based on that. But stylistically, yeah, it feels like Fatima Klein can kind of find this on the mat, take it where she needs it to be, and then win the fight. So I side toward Klein. Also, 25 versus 40. Like that is a massive age difference Crazy, yeah, I favorite Fatima Klein as well The one that was not in in Victor or UFC Was the U.S. Freedom Fighter Championship
Starting point is 01:31:38 This might have been a little foreshadowing Broadcast on gFL.tv Whoa They were the GFL before the GFL? I think the GFL before the GFL Main event in that one, Lonnie price. Can I get the music one time? Frankie
Starting point is 01:31:56 Wow! Wow! You took it off the floor. You got rid of that? You don't think they're coming back in 2026, Frankie? He's gone. Wow. He doesn't even want to talk to us.
Starting point is 01:32:08 Thank you for absolutely nothing. Main event on that one, Lonnie Price III, K.O. Victory over David Overby. It's so good. It's so good. All time. Shout to A after writing that one. by Sanger Souser Kyev taking on two-fight UFC vet Eric Mekonico
Starting point is 01:32:31 Hamzot's boy back after the Dana White Contender series onto UFC 319 gets two wins Now he's got a full camp to get ready for MSG Against the guy and Eric Mekonico that I'm not sure is on the same level as him I think I think Sissorkeye rolls Yeah, I don't know much about Mekonico I'm thinking this is a Souser-R-Key-over Cody Brundage last fight I still don't know much about Mokanco
Starting point is 01:32:55 two UFC fights and you don't know much about them I think that says it. That's a this feels like a showcase for our boy. I think it says that you're a casual that you haven't been taping for sure. Oconico. And then lastly, the curtain jerker no longer machine gun
Starting point is 01:33:08 Mariscal. It is now Slava Claus versus Mateus Camillo. Camillo was supposed to fight a few weeks ago on UFC 321 he now gets a replacement fight on 322 against Slava Claus. Was Slava Claus also booked? Why did they add this? I'm still not clear. I have no idea.
Starting point is 01:33:25 to give us a 14th fight he was not already booked okay so that's weird i don't know why they added this but okay i'm i'm into it shout out to him shout out to him we appreciate it always enjoy a nice lava claus flight eight six and one feels like he needs this one and i don't think he'll get it all right that is ufc three 22 uh do we have yeah look at that god look at that main car jdm slam chevi versus jang brady versus morales leon edwards versus carlos preaches and derrius versus BSD. Do we have Ovin's tweet from last week? I can pull it up right here. The statistics around this card. Bo Nichols pale, huh? Yeah, as a pale man myself, I respected. Here it is. Our guy Ovin. Dana tried to steal the graphic. We go with the OG. 21 fighters coming off of
Starting point is 01:34:14 wins. 14 are on win streaks. Nine are on four plus fight win streaks. Four are four and one in their last five. Five are nine and one in their last ten. Three undefeated. defeated fighters, six are unbeaten the UFC. The quality is truly off the charts. 322 is a banger, as the kids said. Yeah. I mean, I'm extremely excited about it. I can't wait for it. All right, let's rip bets and parlay pals. Will the parley pals ever win again? I'm not sure. Is it this week? I hope so. Frankie, why don't you kick us off? Then we'll go Rick. Then we'll go me. Pizzi in with his pick. I believe it's Kyle Dawkes. Biggest favorite on the car. Thanks for that one pizzi appreciate that yeah man this is for beau he's gonna get it down oh we're going
Starting point is 01:34:58 with bow nickel yes sir i could have sworn you wouldn't stop talking about fatima klein i thought you were taking fatima klein yeah and then i shifted klein is the quote though she's the gloat wow you heard it here first from frank mysterious frank fatima klein is the quote but bo we'll get it done okay all right so we're off Fatima Klein. All right. Yeah. Who's next? Hopefully the graphics department
Starting point is 01:35:26 can keep up with that one. Yeah, you go ahead. Nah, listen. Fatima Klein, the gull! Heard it here first. Appreciate you. I'll take Sean Brady. I'll back my boy.
Starting point is 01:35:37 Wait, I thought it was me. All right, you're good. Yeah, I'll take Sean Brady. I'll back my boy. Should I take Patim Klein? Yeah, you could. I'm going to take Esamakijev. I'll put it all out there.
Starting point is 01:35:49 All right. I'm going to ask him. So no Fatima Klein, despite her being the quote, we're now going Bo-Nickel. That gets the plus 333, which I think if we win, it puts us back in the green. We keep doing this. We keep losing and then being like, if we win, it gets us back in the green by taking longer and longer odds. It's the better who has the strategy of the, if I lose a bet, I double my next bet, and then I just profit. That's us.
Starting point is 01:36:15 It feels good, man. It feels good. Hopefully this is the one, because we're getting to a point we're going to need like a plus four. 400 to get us back in the green. All right, let's go through my bets real quick. I've got a few of them, and we start with Doni Giacima. All right, I love it. We're going to start from the top and go back. Main event, Jack Delam Adelana. This is just blind faith. This is just supporting my boy, JDM. We've been there since the P.D. Rodriguez days. We've been there since the eternal MMA days. We saw him come all the way to championship fruition. Now we see him retain
Starting point is 01:36:47 against one of the best fighters in the world, Islam Makashav. Kind of looks like Dong Zhikamo. Dong Yakimo. Dong Yakimo. All right, next up. Zhang Wei Li, my prediction, holds firm and fast.
Starting point is 01:37:05 Beat Tatiana Suarez, move up to 125, beat Valentana Shepchenko, female fighter of the year, double champion. Zhang Wei gets it done as a dog. It's looking good for you. We keep rolling along.
Starting point is 01:37:17 Sean Brady I back my boy I back my boy I don't know what's going to happen but I back my boy he's too afraid to get on the bike I'm not too afraid to support him on the mic
Starting point is 01:37:27 in his pursuit of greatness on the microphone here we go balls on the table nuts on the table Sean Brady we keep on
Starting point is 01:37:36 BSD I'm with you I think this is a fair rule matchup for him I think he brings the fight to be on there and he gets them out there I mean this one actually Bronson
Starting point is 01:37:47 predicted first round finish. Chepe Mariscout, machine gun, as a dog, goes 2-0 against Philly Zone, Pat Sabatini. Next up, I already told you, this is a Malcolm Wellmaker household. We don't speak ill of Malcolm Wellmaker around these parts. Who would dare? Georgia Southern, Augusta, Georgia Ties, Malcolm Wellmaker gets it done. A couple parlayes, I believe. There we go. A little violence parlay for you by San Francisco. Sucer-Kayev doesn't go the distance against Eric Mekonico. BSD Darius doesn't go the distance. Roman Robocop doesn't go the distance.
Starting point is 01:38:25 That pays 128. And then lastly, A-by-Singer Souser-Kayev, Bo-Nichol, Parley, minus 155. And those are the bets for UFC. 322. Fucking out. Fucking out. Oben Elliott was on the MSG card last year. Crazy what a year can do.
Starting point is 01:38:41 Crazy what a year can do. All right, we go to our pound for pound this week. And in honor of this card, Islam Makashev, Benil Daryush, Sean Brady, GM3, Bo Nickel, Hadoffo, Adolfo Vieira. Blanchefield. Blanchfield. Sabatini. Sabbatini. Klein.
Starting point is 01:39:04 Quote? The quote herself. Fatima Klein. You got grapplers on this thing, stacked top to bottom with elite level grapplers. So in honor of that, your quick pick five, pound for pound. best MMA grapplers love it Frankie what's the order
Starting point is 01:39:19 the order is give me a second oh okay you want me to you want me to think of the order myself I literally stopped recording so just a second
Starting point is 01:39:32 oh oh okay we're having an issue with the recording but I'll be the first one okay we will go to you know Connor and then we'll have Rick
Starting point is 01:39:41 that sounds good to me man be the caboose if you need to deal with something we can it's done it's dealt with you sure You sure? Come on, man. Break the fourth of all. If you need to deal with it, we can shoot. We can shoot here, man.
Starting point is 01:39:51 Actually, can you go first? No, I'm joking. Okay, I was that. Coming in to number five, is the human backpack herself, McKenzie Dern. Huh. Coming in to number four. HB.P. McKenzie Dern. Is Ryan Hall. Don't ask me to repeat it.
Starting point is 01:40:09 Okay, don't repeat it. That's a fucking good one. Number three is the number three pound for pound Oh, I love this. Cron Gracie. What even are you fucking saying right now? And then my number two,
Starting point is 01:40:23 I wanted to be my number one, but I had to make a change because of the heart. But number two is Dylan Danis. Holy shit. And then my number one that trumped Dylan Dennis has Ben Ascran.
Starting point is 01:40:37 Wow. Yo, this list is kind of wild but also like respectable. It's not kind of wild. It's fucking insane. Also, the way you teed up Crone Gracie by saying, number three in my list and number three in the pound for pound rankings. Crone Gracie, what pound for pound rankings are those?
Starting point is 01:40:52 Can I see those? It just threw me out because it got thrown up on the screen before I could think. Oh, all right. Those are some very good. You're right back there, Frank? You need a minute? Yeah, man. You need a minute?
Starting point is 01:41:04 You good? No, you're good. All right, you want me to go now? Go ahead. This is so all the fucking rant. We don't share anyone on our list. Number five, mine's a little bit modern. I might get a little bit of flack here.
Starting point is 01:41:18 You call it casual, but it is what it is. I don't know ball like that. Number five, we just saw him grapple his way to a dominant title victory, 22 minutes of control time. We've seen what he can do with takedowns. We can see what he does with the chokes once he gets him down there, breaking people's jaws. It's Hamzat, Shima, He's down at number five.
Starting point is 01:41:36 He's down at number five because I think the book is still yet to be written. This is one that by the time his career is over, you could be like, yeah, he might be the best grappler. If he's able to have a long title reign based off the grappling, finishing people, I think Hamza Tremayev is one of the best to ever do it. Number four, can't make a best grappler's list without having this guy on it,
Starting point is 01:41:57 and Frankie just did it, but it's Mr. Dubrox. It's Charles Oliver, most submissions in UFC history, on his 11-fight run, where he went all the way up to the title, beating guys like Dustin Porrier, Justin Gaichie, seven wins came by way of submission. Mr. Charles Oliver. Number three, he actually fights this weekend. And he subbed the man who sits at number four. I understand it was after dropping him,
Starting point is 01:42:23 but he subbed him either way. No fears of going to the ground with him. One of the most elite grapplers in the game, takedowns, arsenal of chokes. You got the dars, arm triangle, Camorra's, arm bars, rear naked, it's Mr. Islamakashiv, has made a lengthy title run is now making a run at ghost status, and it all comes from the base of elite-level grappling. We roll to number two. Now second-most takedowns ever because of one man, Marebzbollah.
Starting point is 01:42:53 He still has the most controlled time in UFC history, and I think that speaks volumes to what he was able to do with those takedowns. One of the greatest fighters of all time, George St. Pierre. Yeah. Second most title fight wins, by the way. Second most takedowns, most control time ever in UFC history.
Starting point is 01:43:10 it's GSP. And then number one, a man who never lost, a man who you knew the game plan when he entered the Octagon, but you just couldn't stop it, is Mr. Habib Nurmogamatov. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:20 And that's my list. It's a great list. Time for Boundvest in the background. We share some. There were a couple that were tough to leave off. A hoist Gracie, a Daniel Cormier. Oh, there's a lot. A Damien Maya.
Starting point is 01:43:31 There's a long list of honorable mentions for this one. Oh, yeah. But we share some, but we also divert. I like it. Number five. James Tehuno? Not James. Fuck, how'd you know?
Starting point is 01:43:43 Great striker. Not an elite grappler, at least in this level, this stratosphere. Who's to check? No, there's tape. We can see it. Frankie's back, baby. Number five, this person could be number one on some people's list. The only reason they are not higher on this list is because they spent so much time also beating the shit out of people on the feet.
Starting point is 01:44:08 And that's one Jonathan Jones. John Jones is one of the greatest grapplers that this game's ever seen and could be the best like if he just wanted to only grapple there is a chance that he could have been the best ever in that realm too he was just beating the shit out of people on the feet
Starting point is 01:44:25 beating shit out of people on the ground it was a variety of things that's the only reason he's not higher on my list because when it comes to the grappling realm he's out there taking down Daniel Cornier he's out there thwarting some of the best grapplers of all time he's also striking some of the best striker.
Starting point is 01:44:41 Like he is an anomaly, and so he deserves a spot on this list, even though he is not primarily known for grappling in the way that some of these others are, his grappling is as good as it absolutely gets. Number four, Kazushi Sakaraba. I have brought him up before, the Gracie Hunter. His unique, like, combination of techniques, his catch wrestling style made for some of the most exciting fights
Starting point is 01:45:07 back in the time of pride and he was like the most, in addition to being one of the most successful grapplers, he was one of the most fun grapplers and really like kind of changed the game for a lot of people in a way that the traditional BJJ style had been the gold standard for so long. He introduced something and crafted his own style that I believe has inspired many to this day. So Sakharaba, absolute legend, very unique in this list because I don't, I think, think these other guys are a little more traditional but he he was one of one number three you had them on your list i have him on mine george st pierre uh it would not be fair to leave george
Starting point is 01:45:49 st pierre off this list not my favorite grappler to watch spent a lot of time like in top control wasn't necessarily like the the ice cold finisher type guy but the stats freak speak for themselves when george st pierre controlled a fight he absolutely dominated it he controlled a fight from start to finish. It was not fun being underneath George St. Pierre. When you can
Starting point is 01:46:11 completely neutralize a guy as good as BJ Penn and just make him look like he's never been on the mat in his entire life, that is a level of grappling
Starting point is 01:46:19 that deserves respect. George J.M. Pierre, elite, elite, elite grappler. Number two, you had him a little lower. I have him a little higher. That's Charles Olivera. Apex Predator.
Starting point is 01:46:32 Apex Predator. The record for submissions in the UFC, but the variety, the ability for him to play top game, play bottom game, adapt the Jiu-Jitsu game to the MMA game, he's a marvel. The fact that he's still doing it in this way at this age, like he's incredible to me.
Starting point is 01:46:54 I have a lot of reverence and respect for Charles Olivera, one of the best grapplers we've seen in MMA, especially when it comes to the finishing, right? It's one thing to be a positional control grappler, But Charles Olavera ends fights. Charles Olavera, when he gets it to the mat, is somebody that can finish it, and he deserves a ton of respect.
Starting point is 01:47:14 I love the grappling game of Charles O'Olavera. I think I know where you're going to go with one, which means... Number one. I'll be even a rock made of it of. Wow. All three of our lists, the only Gracie that made it was Crone. Yeah, in MMA, it wouldn't be... The only one that, in my opinion, could have actually made it,
Starting point is 01:47:33 would have been Hickson. If you say, like, Hickson, because of what he did in the era before MMA became MMA, truly became MMA, you'd probably point to him. Hoist certainly for his tournament wins. But if you put Hoyce in an MMA match with Charles O'Levara, like, it is not going to go very well for him. Again, eras, times, whatever it is. Opinions. It's all up to you. The Gracie family, the lineage, B.J.J. belongs there.
Starting point is 01:48:02 Habib, I mean, the combination of the sombo, the wrestling, the BJJ, the dominance, the control, as you said, everybody knows what he wants to do when he steps into that cage, and you just do not have a chance in hell to stop him. He is the best grappler I've ever seen. Shout out, that was a fun little list to make, you know, going over the best grapplers. Maybe one day we do strikers, but the amount of high-level grapplers on this card, we felt like it was worth it. Also, we've sort of exhausted the New York ones. We did Burroughs and got a lot of hate for it, you know. Okay, let me... Next time is New York Bridges.
Starting point is 01:48:33 I'm down. There's a lot of good bridges here. 21? Malcolm Bridges. Now we're talking. You're going to say something? Yeah, let me... What do you think?
Starting point is 01:48:44 Honorable mentions. Honorable mentions. Damien Maya, you mentioned. Like, Damien Maya, to me, it became... I was going to pick Damien Meyer or Charles Olivera. I went Charles. Fabricio Verduem. Stubrecy of Herdum is an absolute savage.
Starting point is 01:48:59 Like, on the mat. submission wins over some of the best guys he deserves a nod here Big Nog who Fabricio has a win over Fador in his prime he was a absolute heavyweight monster DC
Starting point is 01:49:12 DC BJ Penn BJ Penn BJ Penn when it hit the mat was nasty it's why I rate George so highly because he is able to deal with that Demetrius Johnson
Starting point is 01:49:22 Marab I think Mara deserves a shout a nod the man with the most takedowns in UFC history and I also had Hamza up but you had them on your list. A lot of good grapplers throughout the history, man. Respect to all of them.
Starting point is 01:49:34 The Gracies, shout out. All right, that is the pound for pound list. Best MMA grapplers. Frankie, we got any voicemails, brother? Voice mess. It wouldn't be a boys in the back without him. Sure wouldn't. Ahoy, hoi, hoi.
Starting point is 01:49:51 What's up, boys? Hyden, North Carolina. Shout out. What's up? Shout out to North Carolina. Why other boxers aren't drawing a line up to fight, Jake Paul. Same reason in Ghana is not trying to. He knows what he's worth. He's trying to fight champions and he's doing the honorable thing. He's not, you know, just like fighting
Starting point is 01:50:10 anybody. He made that clear when he left the U.S. He didn't want to just fight anybody. All that he'd be doing if he fought Jake Paul would be being what everybody like, you know, like says he is that he only fights for money. No, bro fights for honor and for like glory. Um, you know, but just fighting Jake Paul, a guy who's basically half his size. I mean, not really. But kind of. It doesn't do anything for him. It doesn't look good. You know, Canello's never really been interested either. I mean, I think Canello's interested in the money, but he's not, like, seriously interested either, and that's why he fights Crawford instead. He fights real guys. You know, the type of people that are
Starting point is 01:50:43 trying to accept Jake Paul fights are the gervantes of the world, the let's be real, not cool or not good people. And in the world of like shit where it just encourages you to sell out, and Gondon's not doing that. And, you know, I applaud him for that. I still thing, you know, like, I agree with, like, what DeBella's take that he had earlier on, like, Jayfault. Like, he's not bad for boxing, like, at all know. But, you know, if you want to, you know, fight to, like, show your skill and show, like, your accomplishments and do it for, like, honor, you're not going to do that.
Starting point is 01:51:12 You're not going to take the fight. Love the show, guys. John Joseph isn't the goat. Only two of his opponents went positive after fighting him in the title fight, and they were at Belfort, who went on Tier K after, and Rampage, who went to Belltor to across can. Anderson Silva has seven people go positive after fighting him.
Starting point is 01:51:32 Yeah, John Jones, not the go. All right. Go conversation, be damned. That's just whoever you think it is out of like the big four or five. The Francis and Ghana thing, I actually kind of disagree. I don't think it's about honor.
Starting point is 01:51:50 I think it's about him thinking he's literally just better than Jake Paul and he would be lowering himself down to Jake Paul's level. I think everyone has a price tag. I think if they came correct enough with the big enough price tag, he would fight him. I think it was the same thing with Anthony Joshua. I think when it first got offered out, Jake Paul's been banging this drum for a while. The money wasn't big enough. Now they're desperate to find a fight. The money probably greatly improved for Anthony Joshua to the point where he might be willing to accept
Starting point is 01:52:20 it if it does come to fruition. I don't, I don't think it's an honor. thing. It was Hanan Ferreira and honor thing? Yeah. I don't know if I agree with that. I do understand. If Francis Inganu is saying, like, I will just not box Jake Paul, I can respect that.
Starting point is 01:52:38 Yeah. That's fine. I'm okay with you taking that stance. Hey, yo, boys in the back. Is Sean Brady calling in. Let's go. We got a great call. A fight week. Really perturbed this morning, fellas. Yeah, let's hear, Sean.
Starting point is 01:52:54 I was listening, catching up on the show, little boys in the back action. Appreciate you, bro. And the Simpsons, guys, have you seen it? Have you freaking seen The Simpsons? Fox.
Starting point is 01:53:11 Groundkeeper Willie comic book store guy? Dude. What the fuck is going on? Tell us, Sean. This show has been on for generations. It's been on for lifetime. Who knew the Sean Brady was such a Simpsians guy? Who is Smithers? Dude, I can't even concentrate on Morales right now, let alone the bike race.
Starting point is 01:53:36 I don't know what you guys expect for me. I don't know how you expect me to keep listening with this lack of Simpson's knowledge. So if you guys could maybe bone up, I mean, we got a sequel movie coming out. Are you guys going to be like, which one's Homer? Which one's Homer? Which one's Homer? John is Homer. DeWan, you guys brush up before you go back on air, before you fire up that on-air light. Frank, before I go, dude.
Starting point is 01:54:06 Cometre 64, my man. I love it. I love it. Sid ship. I don't, I'm perplex. It's like you, you know, you talk snack and my sidekick here and, uh, whatever. All right. Uh, once again, guys, watch the Simpsons, Fox, Matt Growning.
Starting point is 01:54:26 Grading Brooks Etcetera Morales Whenever that's happening I forget It's going down It's going down
Starting point is 01:54:37 And Connor Yeah man We know you fucked over Your landlord And Sean I'll see you on the Simpsons BBS On my old Pomerador 64
Starting point is 01:54:47 Oh shout out That was a fucking great call Thanks Sean Best of luck this Saturday man I really appreciate you Him wanting to say Which one's whom Or just so he could
Starting point is 01:54:56 Get the Philly accent out again. Homer. That's great. That was great. Appreciate you, Sean. Thank you, Sean. Shout out. Shout out.
Starting point is 01:55:04 Jacob calling him from Denver, Colorado. Oh, what's up, Jake? All right. So, I got a hypothetical question for everyone on the team who wants to answer. Okay. We'll all answer. Who me? It's, you know, you and your significant other, right?
Starting point is 01:55:16 You haven't been on a date in like six months, right? You know, you've just been struggling with the kids, you know, work's been a lot, right? But, like, you have finally have the chance to go. Wow. Yeah. But your babysitter cancels last minute, okay? So you go on, you know, like whatever babysitting app you use, and then you look. And there are three options available, okay?
Starting point is 01:55:35 I don't want to know who you're taking. Okay. One, we got pre-spiritual awakening, Connor McGregor. Okay. Two. UFC Hall of Fame night, John Jones. Three. famously went to jail that night.
Starting point is 01:55:50 Joshua, Fabia. Hey. Let me know for you all second. Thanks. I'll probably just skip. skipping the date night. I'm probably just skipping that. We'll just hold out. I'm all right. We made six months, we can make it seven. If I have to choose, I'm gonna, I'm gonna let Connor, I'm gonna let Connor cut. Free spiritual awakening? Yeah, you know, look, kids will have a good time. He's already dead.
Starting point is 01:56:12 Frank, who you take it, man? That's dark. I would take Connor. Okay. I'm gonna take Connor. Let's catch. What up, boy. Is it Steve from Denver? What up, Steve? Listen, Rick, I can't take it anymore, buddy. Uh-oh. This man just said, Gable Steven had better odds of beating Zero Gunn and Tom Aspinall than Alex Pereira. Put this man down now. Wow.
Starting point is 01:56:45 I don't know if I even said that. I don't think that's even amazing. I think you said he'd be a favorite against him. He'd be a favorite against those guys, yeah. Well, I mean, obviously, Alex Perey is not going to have great odds at heavyweight. The question was, who's going to be the favorite for Gable? And I think you said anything after Tom he'll be the favorite. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:07 I think mine was closer to like a Spivak or something like that. Yeah, no. Man. You want to talk about MMMA, like we did a list of MMA grapplers. When that guy hits MMA, when he hits the UFC level, that guy's going to be up there. We're going to see. We're going to see. Yo, what's up, boys? It's Mani from Philly. Call on, and this one goes out to Rick.
Starting point is 01:57:35 As we kind of approach the end of the pay-per-view era, can we just take a moment and reflect on what that used to mean back in the day? It meant so much more than what it feels like now. You know, back then when GSP was fighting DJ Penn, when Brock was fighting, when all those silver flags, fights were happening. It felt like something special. Can we pass it along to the new fighters?
Starting point is 01:58:00 It was special. This weekend feels like that. So I leave you with that. I would tune in this weekend if you've lapsed as a fan. This one feels pretty good. Islam Machia. What do we say?
Starting point is 01:58:15 Number two versus number eight pound for pound and number one versus number two on the women's side. Not bad. This is pretty damn good. Not bad. What's going on, boys? It's Peter. What's up, Pete? I'm calling here from southeast Missouri, originally from the 516.
Starting point is 01:58:32 Shout out Long Island. Let's go. Oh, fuck. Let's fuck go, Island. Hold on. I'll call back. This happens more often than you would think. This made it through.
Starting point is 01:58:41 Thanks, Pete. Appreciate that. I'm checking the voicemails there. Three or four from the single number. No, I appreciate that, Pete. Good job, Pete. You tried? Uh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:58:51 What's going on, boys? It's your boy, Peter, here. Just the same one. Originally from the 516, shout out Long Island. I'm a fucking Go Islanders. Oh, no, here we go. Speaking of Long Island. Yeah, speaking of.
Starting point is 01:59:04 And in honor of two fighters fighting from the... Incredible. USC Long Island that happened back a few years ago. Ricky Simone, Matt Chanel. Connor, I got a quick story about Ricky Simone. Okay. It was about the fight before Ricky Simone. Smone versus Jack Shore, U.S.D. Long Island.
Starting point is 01:59:26 Me and my boy are sitting down in the Nassau Calcium and... UBS Arena. Fuck. Damn, bro. He's just hung up? I think so. All right. Take three out.
Starting point is 01:59:47 It's your boy, Peter. Yeah, what's up, Pete? Southeast Missouri. Shout out to the Islanders. Five one. Yeah. Shout out Long Island. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:59:55 Let's go Islanders, baby. Let's go Islanders, yeah, man. In honor of the UFC Las Vegas happening this weekend. Oh, this is last week. Matt Schnell. I like to go back to a story from the UFC Long Island years ago when Ricky Simone and Jack Shore
Starting point is 02:00:11 was the next fight that was about to happen. Me and my boy, get up. We say, you know what? Let's go see if we can find GC around here. We know he's somewhere. So we get up, we walk around, we walk about two sections, you know, around the concession stands. And, you know, of course, we see, G.C., we see him walking. He's about to go up the steps, go sit in his seat.
Starting point is 02:00:36 And I'm just like, hey, G.C., what's going on? He turns around, big smile. He's so happy to see us. He, you know, appreciate the love. Appreciate the love. What's up, bro. Yeah, it's good a bit. And then we go, hey, Jack Shore time, baby.
Starting point is 02:00:49 Yes, sir. Had a custom one-of-one Jack Shore shirt on. go on our way. Me and my boy go over to the bar. We order a drink. Jack Shore, Ricky Simone kicks off right there. You look at the bartender and we say hey, that
Starting point is 02:01:04 white guy, Jack Shore right there, the one that I take the white shorts he had, we got big money on him. Big money. And then he's going to roll. He sat there. No one else at the bar. Just me, my boy, and the bartender. We just sat there and watched Jack Shore get fucking whacked
Starting point is 02:01:21 by Ricky Simone. And And, yeah, wound up losing big money. But you know what? We got the CGC, and we got to all lose together in spirit. So, fuck yeah. All right. Peace out, boys. Love you all.
Starting point is 02:01:35 Keep doing what you doing. Love you, too, bro. We know, Pete. We know, Pete. 516 Islanders, Southwest Missouri, fucking out. Yeah, that is a fact. I had a custom one-of-one Jack Shore shirt. I wonder if when they were at the bar,
Starting point is 02:01:50 they could hear when Ricky Simone literally picked up Jack Shore. and body slammed him and it echoed throughout the arena. That's when I looked at my boys. I was like, yeah, guys, we're probably fucked on this bat. When he sunned him, just picked him all the way up and just, and it just, like, they have the microphones under the octagon, and it just reverberated through the whole arena. I was like, yeah, guys, I think we're probably cooked on this one.
Starting point is 02:02:17 I wonder if the bartender started, like, roasting him. I was like, I feel bad for those dudes. I just dapped up. And then I had to wear the Jack Shore. at the rest of the day. It's like, well, that's the guy that got brutally fucked up. I'm pretty sure he got finished in like the second round. Like he got love Jack Shore, love him.
Starting point is 02:02:32 But yeah, he got walloped. He got thumped by Petey though. Yeah, arm-triangled in the second round. It was tough. It was tough. What's up, boys? This is Steve from Denver. Steve A.
Starting point is 02:02:46 Have a question. It's more of a response to Jacob from Denver who called in last week. Yeah. Stop texting my wife, you piece of shit you're sad because you've got a broken heart when when well I'm dealing with a broken home motherfucker
Starting point is 02:02:59 my wife and I put in so much fucking work since then this is the guy that asked about break of advice you gotta fuck it all up by texting her while we're at P.F. Chang's for her birthday I'm gonna say this one last time day the fuck away
Starting point is 02:03:13 from my wife also Frank please accept my switch to friend of quest yo if that was one take that was unbelievable I think it was it? Can we confirm that? That was incredible you know if there's multiple takes we air them all wow that was crazy
Starting point is 02:03:26 that was what a turn of event shout out I do hope that other guy is just feeling better taken from Denver hope you're all right man but you stop texting don't text his wife bro come on Steve not the guy to mess with
Starting point is 02:03:39 it's your boy Bodkins baby boys I'm here to ask the very hard question today no not was Randy Brown out no not who's winning the title fight but But when do you put up the Christmas tree? Great question, Bodkins.
Starting point is 02:03:57 That needs to be answered. Fuck yeah. Y'all have a great Thursday. Have a blessed weekend. Hopefully all the bets hit. Shout out to everybody. Bodkins out, baby. Shout out to you, Bodkins.
Starting point is 02:04:08 The energy on the call is, uh, it's contagious. I love it. It gets me hyped up. The question is, when do you put up the Christmas tree? I am putting up all my, I'm shifting from fall Halloween decorations. The Halloween have kind of gone away, but, you know, I still got fall decorations up. shifting to the Christmas next weekend. So we skip over Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 02:04:26 There's not like a decorating for that. It's like fall, but like I would like to have the Christmas up as soon as Thanksgiving's over. And so next weekend is the weekend I'm going to do it. I could wait till, I could wait till like the weekend after Thanksgiving, but Thanksgiving's kind of late this year. It's only the 27th, something like that. Two weeks from today, so the 27th, you know, you got to have the decoration. up for as long as you can. And then I'm a tree down, like, first week of January. How big of a tree? It's small. It's six feet. I'm in an apartment. What do you want me to do for him?
Starting point is 02:05:01 Is it a little 12-footer or a real 12-footer out here and put it in my house? Limitation from the roommate? It's like, eh, can only be this tall. No. Is this a carryover from family? Like, when you were at the house? Now, my family is strictly December 1st. Oh, interesting. Yeah. It's kind of funny mentioning this. You know, I was actually you with my family. They were visiting up here last weekend, and we were watching a football game or whatever, and a Christmas commercial came on, and they're all like, ah, it's too early for the Christmas commercial. Okay, so you're bucking the family's, like, stances on this, really.
Starting point is 02:05:35 My strong feeling on that is, like, get over it. It happens every single year. There's no point in talking about it. It's going to happen every year. It's been happening every year since our childhood. This isn't something that happened last year. Everyone. Thank you. Darren, thank you. Darren, thank you. This hasn't been happening this doesn't just start happening in 2020 they've been doing it every year it's it's a commercial business at this point christmas they're going to start on november first just accept it it's just going to happen it's also like up here in new york everyone's always like man it's a pretty mild
Starting point is 02:06:05 october i've lived here for like seven years now and it never gets cold in october it's always november it's like november is when it really starts it in the cold i'm just saying okay i'm done right i don't have as specific a timing yeah when the kids start bothering me Yeah, and then I do it. Tree adds a nice coziness. No, not yet. They actually haven't yet, because they're still eating Halloween candy. They don't give a shit.
Starting point is 02:06:30 They're whispering to each other. It's not upset Daddy. What do you say, Frankie? Say it again? What do you say, Frankie? To be honest. When you put your tree up? I don't.
Starting point is 02:06:41 That's my wife's job. Oh, well. Not like I've assigned her that job. It's important to her. She wants to do it. Great. And then for the rest of the season, I just get to hear about how the cat's chewing on it. Andy, Dan, you guys got any specific days?
Starting point is 02:06:55 Black Friday. Black Friday's a great day. Yeah, you know, we're tired for meeting the day before. We're not doing anything, but the Christmas tree up. Throw some football on in the background, tree goes up. Decorations. I like that. I like that out of you, Dan.
Starting point is 02:07:10 I like that at you. You're earlier than everybody else. This year specifically, just because, you know, I got plans. Okay, I got plans. So we'll knock out the tree on the week before. I'll have a little UFC guitar to get in the season in the background, and I'll be hanging up decorations. Got it.
Starting point is 02:07:28 Guitar? Shout out Bakken. Shout out to Bakken. It's great question. Hey, the boys are back. This is Bree calling from Massachusetts. Truthfully, I'll admit. I'm only a casual MMA fan, but I will give it to you that your show is super entertaining.
Starting point is 02:07:45 Wow. Bree. Especially love the pound-for-pound ranking. Wow. Brino's ball. I'm actually calling in today for my husband. Shane. He is quite possibly your biggest fan, and I'm not sure he's ever missed an episode of the show. He's also substantially better giving gifts than I am. So, hoping you guys can
Starting point is 02:08:03 help me out today by giving him both a happy birthday and a happy anniversary shout-out and make me look like the best life in the world. Thank you guys. That's all we needed to do? I thought we were going to have to give like advice on gifts. Shane, baby! Thanks for always watching, man. We appreciate you. Thank you to your wife for calling in happy birthday brother i hope it's a great one happy anniversary as well man what a what a day what a celebration what a crummy uh no i'm just kidding i was going to say what a crummy gift you get two schmucks here telling you happy birthday uh hope it's a great day shan thanks for always watching man thanks for the support chain we love you happy birthday happy anniversary and uh make it count
Starting point is 02:08:39 do play this after like this is this is going to be the the the shit ending um to the to the night hope you got you and your wife this is the next morning you're hungover at breakfast you're having a cup of coffee. She's like, oh yeah, by the way, check it out. You know, got you a shout out. I did. Shout out to Shane. Shout out to Brie. Happy B-Day. Thank you. Thank you for doing that. Frankie, quick on the draw there. Yeah. Just like that. That was nice.
Starting point is 02:09:01 Happy birthday, Shane. Oh. Happy anniversary, Shane and Brie. Appreciate you. All right, Frank. Cut the music, man. Let's move on. Just kidding. Happy B Day, Shane. No, but seriously, cut it, man. Hey, what's up, guys? It's Stinky Link here from Pittsburgh. What's up?
Starting point is 02:09:21 Stink, you think. Of course, I've heard Ariel's stories, you know, a few hundred times and one that always comes to mind is the nudist community in Pittsburgh. And lo and behold, my girlfriend was just kind of scrolling on Facebook this past weekend, and she sees just a random Facebook post and it goes, nude bowling, Pittsburgh. And I'm like, what the hell? And it happens to be the same community, of course, that like Ariel did his documentary on.
Starting point is 02:09:47 Oh, yeah, the volleyball? Bad face. Anyways, so, of course, I'm like, let's go. Wow. I'm not much the nudist. My girlfriend isn't really either, but, you know, for about the best three, four, five years, Ariel has been talking. Pause it there for a second, Frank. That he kind of sold me on it.
Starting point is 02:10:03 Frank, pause. Unfortunately, the girlfriend was not. What does, we're not much of a new, I'm not much of a nudist. Can you be like a half, like halfway out? I think you can in the sense that, like, there's no chance I'm going in and bowling with my balls out. that ain't happening. So, like, the fact that he's willing to do it makes him so much of a nude. I'm nude some of the time, but I'm not always nude.
Starting point is 02:10:26 No, no, no. I think it's, I'm open to nudity, but I'm not a regular tender of nudist colonies. All right, let's keep it going. I go, but I just wanted to call and ask you guys if you would go. No. Not like as a group or anything. Of course, that might be a little weird, but just individually. Like, would you go in my shoes, you know, given that you've heard so many good things about this community?
Starting point is 02:10:48 community and whatnot. I was genuinely down to try it. Ariel kind of sold me on it, but she wasn't really down and, you know, it might have been a little awkward. Anyway, I thought I'd call in, hope this wasn't too long. Bye. Wasn't too long? One thing I will say about Hawani selling it on you, how one he was wearing jeans and a plaid shirt while he was there, so he was not nude. He was just inspired by the freedom that those people carried. Secondly, um, I'm not going to lie. You've got to really be just like a free spirit.
Starting point is 02:11:23 Yeah. I wouldn't love walking around butt-ass naked, and on top of that, my girlfriend is also butt-ass-naked. Right, right, right. I don't love the idea of that. So to answer all this, I'm just going to hit the Brunswick. I'm just going to hit the Brunswick lanes and just do some clothed bowling. Yeah, my thing is not, I'm not like anti it.
Starting point is 02:11:48 I'm not like, I don't want anybody to see me or anybody to, but I don't think it would enhance anything for me. No, it definitely wouldn't. It wouldn't add anything to me that I couldn't be like, I'm just gonna do with the cloth version. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 02:12:01 Like, I don't think it would be freeing. I'm not like, I don't feel like if I were to do that, it would be any freer for me. I would just be like, all right, I'm gonna go down the block and go to the bowling hour. Yeah, yeah. I think I would just laugh too much if I was there.
Starting point is 02:12:18 It would be weird the first time, right? And imagine if you run into someone you know. Oh, Jim, from accounting. What's up, man? How's it hanging? Oh. Jim. Long time, no scene.
Starting point is 02:12:33 Somebody's getting cracked. Jim. Jim. I will never take your parking spot again. It's the gift of the kid where he's like, he's like, hey. The ginger kid? Yeah. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 02:12:49 What are you doing here? Jim! Yeah, I'm out. I'm out on that. You're running to your parents? What's that? Sorry, what's up? What's up?
Starting point is 02:13:03 Who's this guy? Play that again? Yeah, all right. Saskatchewan, show up to Rough riders. We're going to lose to Ariel, Montreal Al-A-West. Holy shit. What a voice. What a voice.
Starting point is 02:13:14 Episode there and listen to Carter, talk about the Zip. Have Zips. Spoke me down as a fellow 33-year-old, that shit had me rolling, boys. Especially as Connors dresses, Gandalf, hitting the frickin' shirlock from time to time. Oh, what a good time that was. Anyways, keep it up.
Starting point is 02:13:32 I listen every week while I'm driving the Shremys. You're the fucking mad. That's all. Okay. Legend. Go fucking Rough Riders. I hope they went on Saturday just for you. What did he say that I was talking about?
Starting point is 02:13:44 The Zip on the Zip. Something about Zips? He mentioned the pipe, so I don't know what I was talking about, but the fact that he calls it a Sherlock is hilarious, because back in the day in high school, me and my boys had a pipe like that, and we called it the Gandalf. Oh, there you go. That's a shout-out.
Starting point is 02:13:58 What did he say? Did you smoke tobacco out of that pipe? Yes. So weird. Nice buzz, you know. Yo. Colin from Cleveland, Ohio. Long time, first time.
Starting point is 02:14:14 You know the deal. That's questions for Rick. I'm a lifelong challenge fan, seen every season, I know it all. Quick question, if you had to say who, with no formal MMA training or no boxing training or anything like that so far, would be the best challenger to make that crossover to MMA. I have one. I think Corey Wharton would be pretty good, very athletic, young, strong, powerful guy. And then for my two throwbacks, I'm going Abram, Boisey.
Starting point is 02:14:45 and you know you know and Derek Kaczynski back in the day. Thanks, boys. Love you. Bye. Love you too, man. Very, very strong selections there. A lot of respect. You didn't just pull like the easy ones.
Starting point is 02:14:58 You really thought about this. I respected a great deal. Abram would be an absolute animal. The answer is easy for me. By the way, I actually think Corey Wharton boxed another challenge person on like one of these like influencer fight nights
Starting point is 02:15:13 by the way. So I actually think he did fight. The answer is Dorel. Dorel trains boxing. Dorel would beat the brakes off quite a few. And then the answer after that, it's got to be C.T. Like C.T. is a caged beast. Got to C.T. If you ever stepped in the-in-the-caged? My minimal challenge knowledge.
Starting point is 02:15:33 If you ever stepped in the cage at somebody, it would be a nightmare for them. Frank, yes. Do you answer your question on Slack? How do you old big B here? First time, long time. What up, B? This week is. Is Dakota Dichiva, the next WMMA star? I thought it would be stamp fair tech, multiple belts, in multiple different sports.
Starting point is 02:15:53 She doesn't seem to have pool outside of Asia. Thanks for the content, fellows. I intend to thousands of others enjoy it week in and week out. Shout out the goat, Frankie. Don't care what you're done with your mama. John Jones can say the mid-vehicular battery on a pregnant woman and be the goat. My man can also have a drunken accident. Shout out the lone star state.
Starting point is 02:16:12 Buck Queens, Big Beach. Hey, what the fuck? Wow. He speaks for all of us. Yeah, all of them. Probably. Like, is there another name that's like a prospect?
Starting point is 02:16:24 I don't feel like. I'm not going to lie. He totally lost me after the John Jones. He said basically his Dakota ditch of the next big women's star. I think so. I think so. I think so.
Starting point is 02:16:31 The whole John Jones vehicular manslaughter. Frank kissing his mom's ass. Beating a pregnant lady or whatever. Hitting a pregnant lady with his car. Hit you run a pregnant lady, kissing your mom's ass. Listen, we all make mistakes.
Starting point is 02:16:43 John Jones got charged with vehicular whatever and Frank kiss his mom's ass What a boy What's up? Brett from Nebraska
Starting point is 02:16:54 Nailed it Nailed it Shout out Colin Kline Colin Kline And today I actually want to tell you real quick About the time that my high school football coach
Starting point is 02:17:06 Decided to bring in one Mark Montoya Toeer to lead practices once a week All right. Where's this one? Okay, so over summer, we would go Monday through Friday, 7 to 11. Ultimately.
Starting point is 02:17:19 Typical, you know, high school football stuff, hour of lifting, hour of speed, training, and then two hours on the field. Which is crazy, actually, looking back, I did all that work, knowing we weren't going to win very many games. But we do all this. And we had, I don't remember what he called it, like, Fun Fridays or something. And his version of Fun Friday was to bring. in Mark Montoya, who for eight weeks over the summer,
Starting point is 02:17:46 ultimately, came in on Friday at 7 a.m. Yeah. And walked us through, like, martial arts stuff. Very important to know. He did not, in any way, dumbed out anything that he said or addressed for his audience. And so we had, like, a world-class UFC coach, M of A coach, sorry, yelling at a bunch of 15 to 18-year-olds who could not possibly care any less about what he was saying.
Starting point is 02:18:21 And like running it like military style, like we were supposed to clap at certain times. And our boy just did not care at all. I was trying to tell him, like, hey, guys, this would have been actually pre-Connor Habib. So it was like the year before that. by 2017. Okay. So none of my buddies were into MMA except for me
Starting point is 02:18:43 and a couple of the wrestlers. And we were trying to tell him, hey, guys, like, this is a huge opportunity. And he would just, like, talk to him. And they'd be like, damn, that's crazy. And then ignore him. But even funnier,
Starting point is 02:18:55 the... Mark Vintai just yelling at kids. Ultimately. He came with him. Was a young Ian Hinesh, who, I was, like, terms of parole or community service
Starting point is 02:19:07 of some time. Why was your fucking high school football team bringing these guys in? I don't know that for sure, but he very clearly did not want to be there or care. I wouldn't either. It has some wildly inappropriate conversation with some of the 15 and 16-year-olds about his activities that landed him in, well, you're supposed to hit the federal prison. You know, it's fine. He's queuing you up for crying me.
Starting point is 02:19:35 fucking prison. Instead of that being inspirational, he kind of made it sound like it was really sick. Like he was like, yeah, like all these girls and did all these drugs. That was a bad decision.
Starting point is 02:19:49 I don't know, man, it sounds pretty... Oh, is that... Did it get cut off? It was long enough anyway. It was long enough. Thanks for that one, Brett from Nebraska. Glad to have you back, brother. Glad you're feeling better. Ian Heinish talking to kids.
Starting point is 02:20:03 Mark Montoya is screaming like it's this serious thing and it's a bunch of 15-year-olds is all so crazy. Oh, incredible. Who knew, Brett was a... What's up, boys? Conner from Canada. What's up, Connor? A couple questions.
Starting point is 02:20:15 Actually, non-MMA related, but it's related to your interest because we share interest. Sick. First, Connor. Okay. Avatar, the Last Airbender. Shout out. There was a season, well, there's three seasons, but I feel like there was like an in-between second and third season where they went to like a Western Air Temple on the side of the
Starting point is 02:20:34 mountain. watched the show recently and I don't remember seeing that but I vividly remember watching those scenes as a kid I don't know what it is but I love that show shout out shout out again if you could have one of those towers what type of bending would you be your fire air or water personally earth bender I think pretty sweet block most of those other elements after most good defensive type element maybe now Eric I'm getting into magic I got I've got I've got I've played a lot of standard decks like i played the lord of the rings one assassin street one i played a
Starting point is 02:21:09 lot of like the entry level deck i'm starting to get in the commander and i need help i don't know where to start fuck i can't i'm not going to start by just building my own deck right off the back i'm probably going to get one of those preset pre-con i think they're called commander set directly from magic now should i do that any recommendations on which ones i should get Should I get a random deck off eBay to get, like, started, or, you know, where should I land on getting myself and the commander? Because I got some friends that want me to start getting involved because they know that I play standard. But, I don't know. Commanders are a whole different ballgame.
Starting point is 02:21:45 I know how to play. They just don't know where to start. So if you could point me in the right direction, that would be pretty cool. Frank, add me on cool math games. Anyways, shout out to cool math games. I haven't heard cool math games. in a minute they definitely go to the air temple because I think that's where Ang like finds out about his lineage and everything like that it's very
Starting point is 02:22:06 critical to the storyline probably firebender probably firebender probably getting a sick tattoo on my head to to equal out the baldness give me a little bit of that you know firebender aura but yeah just like ruthless aggression as as they say and over in WWE we don't have to go too far down this but what is air bending and what is fire like what are they literally what it would it describes like you have control of that element of the world so like earth can like lift up the earth and like push giant rocks fire you literally create fire with your hands water water air and he's the last air bend you are like a summoner of these things correct you can happen into
Starting point is 02:22:45 the manipool from the land yeah yeah got it yeah i think i'm going fire with like a like a crazy tat are they all like tatted with like fire stuff basically uh some of them are but there's there's this one uh who god it's been a year since i've watched the show His main antagonist tattoo across his face. That's like who is coming after hang. Got it. He's like royalty, prince.
Starting point is 02:23:09 I don't know why I can't think of his name right now. Child to the episode of the last evening. James Tohuna? Actually, it might be James Tohuna. As far as Magic goes and Commander goes, hop on arena and just play around with some decks digitally and then buy those associated cards once you kind of find your way with those decks. I love digital.
Starting point is 02:23:29 I used to play paper magic. I know Frank still does some tabletop games and card games and things like that. I don't do them anymore, but I would mess around with the digital, so there's no stakes. Then you figure out what cards you want to buy, and then I'd go buy those. To chime in, I would also consider just going to a Friday night magic and then doing like a draft, a blind draft. Blind draft, blind rank? Blind rank the ways to start into magic. It's also a Zucco.
Starting point is 02:23:57 Very quickly. I'm obsessed with who's to check. Top three clip ever. I'm out. Who's to check? Is it top three? I mean, it's the flavor of the...
Starting point is 02:24:11 No, you play the fucking drop after I say that. Come on, Frank. I actually agree with you. Ladies and gentlemen, this is his production style. It's just, fuck you. Why did you miss it? Piece of shit. Fuck you. I mean, you do that. I will say, I agree with Frankie. I think it's the flavor of the month. There's some that last the...
Starting point is 02:24:29 the eternity of time. I think Who's to Check has potential to do that? But, I mean, there's a lot that... Who's to check? There's a lot that cycle through that kind of fall off. You know, they fall off. Who's the check if they fall off? Well, first time hearing that answer machine you guys got was pretty hilarious.
Starting point is 02:24:48 But anyway, Quentin from SoCal, shout out. I can't even remember what the answer was going to get into running. I need a good pair of running shoes. and this one's for prank you got black off seven releasing a night you playing it or are you going to be playing fission simulator running shoes easy question otty zero evo sls they look sick they're comfortable
Starting point is 02:25:12 just knocked out of 10k in like 44 minutes with them colorways are sick shout out no call of duty for me actually jamming with luminous arise just came out a little bit earlier this week I was surprised because I don't know if you guys have played it
Starting point is 02:25:30 the puzzle games that started on like the PSP maybe use the PS2 anyway they did a really good job like it's a mental trip
Starting point is 02:25:38 so you should check it out that's all the voicemails that's it thank you very much to everyone that called in a couple great ones in there a couple great ones
Starting point is 02:25:46 it almost looks like the yellow cloud back there it looks like there's like a toxic cloud yeah toxic radiation spill we got any super chats Frankie
Starting point is 02:25:53 damn right we do damn right All right, the first one is on-air Jordan. Just confirming, I'm not a ghost. What's up, on-air Jordan? Is that actually him? Yeah. Or is it then?
Starting point is 02:26:12 Or is it the ghost of him? Can we put the on-air Jordan one back up real quick? So the other day, you notice next to on-air Jordan, he has a little symbol that's a wrench, right? That means he's a moderator. Okay. The other day when Ariel was like, oh, and there's a lodge. John Dream with a number two and a crown. What's the number two for?
Starting point is 02:26:30 My man doesn't even know what a wrench looks like. Oh, he thought that was a two? Yeah, yeah, it took me a moment to realize. That feels close to impossible. How could that possibly be a two? No, no, no, no, no, no. Who could ever see that as a two with a crown? Uh-huh.
Starting point is 02:26:40 No, yeah, there's actually a number two. I'm looking at it right now. That's a crescent ring. That's a, that's a number two, like, commoner. He has the most experienced points. Yeah. Obstruck says, boys, UFC 322, huge fight card. Frank, there's a number one with a crown.
Starting point is 02:26:55 The other one had a two. who's to check huge fight card yet no buzz why this came at the beginning of the show yeah I was going to say I'm starting to feel the buzz bro me too I think we just spent a long time talking about why there should be buzz and if you don't feel the buzz
Starting point is 02:27:09 it's the buzz comes down to the personalities that are fighting man you have all-time fighters that don't have that much personality they don't talk shit they're respectful warriors that's pretty much it I think the concept of the buzz building around cards
Starting point is 02:27:24 is not going to happen in the same way anymore. There's just too much stuff vying for attention. The schedule is too aggressive. The idea of like, I've been, I've been waiting for this one for so long and it's creeping up and now it's here. I just don't think it happens like that anymore. People's consumption cycles don't go that way. There also just has to be genuine beef. J.D.M. and Islam are not going to beef. Valentina and Jong are not going to beef. Sean Brady and Michael Morales are not going to beef. The list goes on and on. Leon gives next to nothing. Probably just doing the phone background. That's not really like crazy heat about nickel and Adolfo Villar.
Starting point is 02:27:55 There just is no, like, real heat with any of these guys, and none of them are, like, superstar, superstar level to, like, carry the card. Islam is huge. It sounds the biggest name, by the way. But, like, Islam will go massive if he fights, like, an Ilya. Thank you guys for all the content. Looking forward to the fight companion for this week's banger.
Starting point is 02:28:18 Yes, thank you, Daniel Rivera. Join us right here, 945 Eastern. We're just a block away from MSG. You'll be able to hear the thunder. When the Thunder from Down Under, Jack Della Madelena gets his hand raised and still on Saturday night. He does now. Thunder down under? Thunder from down under?
Starting point is 02:28:36 Seven words. Jack Della Thunder from Down Under Madelena. And then finally watched Weapons. Absolutely terrible. Oh, what? Bad take. Oh, wait, wait, wait. I haven't seen weapons.
Starting point is 02:28:53 I thought he meant prisoners. I can't speak I haven't seen Prisoners What a weird Remember that guy Asked me horror movies But it was all
Starting point is 02:29:02 Half of them were not horror All psychological thrillers Weapons is fantastic That's bad taste by you Got out Really bad taste Yep Sam Alvi versus
Starting point is 02:29:12 Yeah Despine Yeah Robillist dispain For the karate Combat heavyweight title Can't wait Slito Shut up
Starting point is 02:29:22 Check up this poster there it is Godzilla versus Kong Wait what the fuck Do they actually have Godzilla versus Kong in the back It's an AI It's definitely AI Sam Alvey
Starting point is 02:29:35 Representing Godzilla Put that back for one second Is Spain representing Kong That's legit like Godzilla and Kong Like they're not getting sued to shit for this What version of Godzilla Who does Robloose to Spain look like
Starting point is 02:29:52 With the blonde hair Phil Hawes? Phil Hawes is the one who used to do the... All right. That's enough of that. Next. G.C. was a little too hype to see Jim.
Starting point is 02:30:03 Islamai sub round five at the buzzer. Yeah. Jim! What are you doing here, man? I didn't know you came to nudist colonies. True. You didn't like how... Jim!
Starting point is 02:30:24 we'll see an HR on Monday what is today that's what I would know like what has this show been no listen there's the this there's the this I don't know it all it all went off the rows the edging yeah edging what else did you say
Starting point is 02:30:39 you said something getting cracked no not get cracked what did you say like I'm not looking to edge gargle them up or something gobble them up um gobble them up
Starting point is 02:30:50 yeah yeah that was actually the last super chat yeah oh good There's been a lot. There's been a lot going on today. It came off the Bronson thing. We had fucking Adioro Martins fucking at the bar. It's been a good one, though.
Starting point is 02:31:01 UFC 322 this weekend. Adjiano Martinez ate whiskeys deep as a character that you should probably bring back every once in a while. Edging! I'm imagining. I'm imagining, Dana White saying that in his raining voice. Oh, yeah, the cranking. Paul Muhammad flashed Sean Brady. I don't know what the fuck is going on.
Starting point is 02:31:24 Either way, that's it for us. UFC 322 preview in the books, voicemails, everything, all the like. Go watch the action, Bronson, fight feast, extravaganza. If you haven't seen it yet, it's already up on the channel. Bronson, Hawani,
Starting point is 02:31:38 NYC, 322 fight week. Go watch that. The crack tomorrow. Right after Wayans, they'll get you ready for 322, the final preparations, and then Saturday night. Join us right here,
Starting point is 02:31:49 945 Eastern for the 322 uncrowned watch-along. they'll be fighting just up the road at MSG stacked top to bottom main card don't miss it Monday we're back with the hellwani show post show two that's it for us we're outy!

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