UFC 322 preview, Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua?! Jalin Turner, Big John McCarthy, Coach Tim Welch, Gareth A. Davies, On The Nose
00:00Ladies and gentlemen, now, welcome to the Eriya-A-Waddy show.Back in your life on this Wednesday, November 12, 2000.And 25, hello again, everyone.I sure hope you're doing well.It's great to be here on a lovely yet.frigid Wednesday in New York City. We are inching ever so close to Saturday night, MadisonSquare Garden, UFC 3-2-2, as they say overseas. Can't wait for this one. Much to discuss. We havebeen discussing much more discourse to be had, but I can't help but think of how we are sitting
00:52here today on this Wednesday, November 12, 2025, November 12th, 2025, November 12th, being themost important and historic day in the history of mixed martial arts.Yes, as I said, the most historic day in the history of mixed martial arts.Why do I say that?Well, let us count the ways.Let us start with UFC 281, November 12th, just a few years ago now.Alex Pereira, Israel, Adi, Sonia, Madison Square Garden.The great thing about this date is that these days, they're always at MSG around
01:30this date. This one, UFC 281, just a couple of years ago. What a huge, huge moment it was in thehistory of the sport, the rivalry, to be exact, 2022. Feels like yesterday. Remember havingthem in studio. Then we go to UFC 205, November 12th, 2016, one of the most iconic shotsin the history of the sport. The very first event at Madison Square Garden, thefirst event in New York State after the ban had been lifted, the band that was instituted in1997, 2016. There's Dylan. Yeah. And there's the shot. Two belts. We'd like to apologize toabsolutely no one. This is the post-fight interview that Kike Hernandez botched, that he tried to nailand he botched. But it was a great moment. UFC 205. Then we go all the way back to UFC on Fox
02:28number one2011Junior Dos Santoson free televisionfirst time the UFC's on big Foxbroadcast TVone fight one hourthe booth was
02:44Dana WhiteBrock LesnerJohn Jones and Kurt Menifeeit was an unbelievablequartetand there was a lot made of the factthat the rest of the card was on FacebookClay Guida against Benson Henderson was on Facebook
03:01and the fight lasted, you know, some, what was it exactly, 61 seconds, 63 seconds?What was it?What was it?Let me see right here.I think it was 61, if my memory serves me, Craig.64, to be exact.One of two events, one of two fight weeks that my wife ever came with me.She went to the UFC 136 event in Houston and then this one a couple weeks later and then never again.
03:24Then we had kids and everything, so it became a little more difficult.but we did go to a dinner and Alster Overeem was sitting next to usand I remember Dave Meltzer was sitting next to Overeemand then he fell off a chair.It was just a weird scene but it was a great time.It was a really great time and Overeem was very, very lovely.And then, of course, the main reason why we remember this date,the main reason why we celebrated as the most important date
03:45in the history of this sport.It was on this day back in 1993.UFC was born.Yeah, happy birthday, UFC.Yeah.McNickles Sports Arena.UFC won.The beginning.
04:05Look at that.Ultimate.Hoyst Gracie, Kent Shamrock.What a logo.What a time.32 years ago today.Oh, my God.It was a cold.
04:16It was a fridge-a-night in Denver, Colorado.This is how the broadcast started.It's incredible to re-watch it all these years later.Take a look.Take a look.Yeah.Look at thisOh my god
04:32You know yourselfLook at this, look at thisHow many times have we watched this?The ultimateWe're live from the Mile High City of Denver, ColoradoOh yes we areWarning local residents to brace themselvesFor a huge snowstorm
04:45But tonight, the big storm on everyone's mindIs taking place indoorsAt the McNickles Sports ArenaOh yeahThe site of tonight's landmark martial arts eventEight of the deadliest fighters in theBill Wallace.No holds barred combat to determine who is the ultimate fighting champion be forewarned.
05:03No rules.No judges.No scores.And no time limits.Testing themselves in bare-knuckle combat.Look at that head of hair.You'll witness, Hoise Gracie, Brazilian and world light heavyweight jih Tijuana.So good.
05:16Patrick Smith, 1993 Savaki Challenge, heavyweight champion in Taekwondo.Art Jimerson, IBM, North American Cruiser boxing champion.Gerard Giraudo, world heavyweight Savat champion.Zane Frazier, the WKF Super Heavyweight Kembo champion.The best part's coming up right here.The best part's coming up right here.The number one ranked shoot fighter in Japan.Oh, you guys, look at that ankle lock.
05:41This guy's the man.Two thousand to the second round.Okay, here's the best part.Here's the best part.Here's the best part.Here's the best part.Here's the best part.Terry Roger's uncle.
05:51Here's the best part.Fact check.Yeah.Anything can happen, and probably will.I feel bad.I feel bad laughing about it, if I'm being honest.Here comes, here comes.Hello, ladies and gentlemen.
06:03You're about to see something that you have never seen before.The ultimate fighting challenge.Hello, I'm Bill Wallace, and welcome to McNichols.Excuse me, at McNichols Arena in fabulous Denver, Colorado.He hate to see it.Hello.Tough as the kid said.What is called the ultimate fighting challenge to where they have different fights.
06:21He fights to swallow.He tries to work through.the swallow.Realized that he called itthe ultimate fighting challengeinstead of championshipand he knew it was over from there.Then he tried it. Instead of saying
06:34excuse me and hitting the swallowhe tried to fight him. Do you think he realizedin the moment that he messed up by calling ita challenge not championship? Oh yeah, his heart waspounding.Then he hit that.I just still quit it.God.
06:48Oh, in fabulous Denver, Colorado.Also,doesn't introduce you.It's like the dismount on the Colorado pronunciation.No.Jim Brown, legend.There were a few gaffs there.That's all right.
07:01That's the first one.It makes it memorable.Pete, you ever see that footage before?Yeah, I just didn't know what you were referring to it.Until he flashed up on the screen there and hit that beautiful.I did not remember.Also, we started the best parts coming up.Yeah, it's about to be here.
07:1745 seconds out.He always goes a little too early on the, it's coming up.I wanted you guys to get ready.Just did it.Okay.Blind rank, the best things to happen on November 12th in the history.It's not a blind rank, yeah, we already know them.Yeah, I guess so.
07:33I try to.I would say UFC 1 has to be the most important thing.Connor number two, and then I guess UFC on Fox 1 and then Izzy Pereira?No, I'll take Izzy Perrera over you.Really?I mean, just historically, UFC on Fox 1.It comes and goes.They switch broadcast partners three times.
07:50I kicked off.Didn't Joe Rogan have a similar faux pa on the first broadcast?on Fox when they were introducing it on Fox for that event?Didn't it go to him and he had a bit of a...He called somebody the wrong name.No, no, no, no, no.This was the press conference on the Fox lotwhen they announced the deal
08:05of August of 2011and it's Rogan wearing a suitand they're going around.But it wasn't his fault.He was going off a prompterand they flashed to the wrong person.It was, I'm pretty sure it was likeFrankie Edgar, Rashad Evans or Rashad Evans, Frankie Edgar.
08:18And doesn't he go like, that's not somebody?He just was very uncomfortable.He's wearing a suit jacket.the whole thing was weird. They cut to him too earlyjust standing there silent. We were literallythere watching this. They invited some mediaand on there, forget meeting withFox Execut and they're like,
08:34you know, we're going to cover this.Journalism matters to us. We're going to cover this seriously.Just want to let you know. I was like, oh, okay,this is great. Wow. Yeah.How'd that turn out? Anyway,as Faye would have it, on today's program,I didn't even plan for this.Big John McCarthy, who wasn't at UFC 1,
08:50who I believe debuted at UFC 2,is going to be on the program. We'll reminiscea little bit about that. But more importantly, he's coming back to MMA officiating, and there's a lotto talk about as it pertains to MMA officiating. So I appreciate him coming back. It's been a whilesince we spoke to him, and I'm looking forward to that chat very much. A. Good friend of all ofours, Gareth A. Davies, the Warlock, is going to be joining us from the site of the UBank Ben toOpen Workouts. I want to get a feel for what's going on over there. What's the buzz like?what's the temperature like?
09:23I don't mean the actual, like, you know, the Celsius temperature.I mean, like, what's the appetite here?What are people saying?Is it too soon?What's he thinking about the fight?Senior, junior, you know, Nigel, Conner, all this stuff.We'll talk to Gareth about all things.Eubank Band, too, and some other boxing things as well.
09:43Still maintained that the Wardley Parker stoppage was, quote, unquote, absurd.Tim Welch, one of Mysterious Frank's favorite.the Red Hawk, he's going to be joining us to break down UFC 322, so we'll get into the nitty-grittywith him. He does a great job on his YouTube channel, looking forward to that, and Jalen Turner,who you may recall retired back in March, is now coming out of retirement. It's one of theshortest-lived retirements in M.A. history. It's not quite, you know, it's not quite John Jonescoming back, you know, what was it, eight days later, seven days later, maybe even less than that,but he did retire in March at UFC 313, and he is coming back at UFC 323 on December 6 against Edson Barbosa.
10:29Wanted to have him on to talk about why he's coming back and why this lasted so short.So a lot to get into.There's the four-pack.There's a lot, a lot of stuff going on in the world of combat sports.It's been a phenomenal week so far.But as you know, on Wednesdays, we love to shoot.So time now for everyone's favorite second one of the week.It is time.
10:50By the way, before we get into things, I want to give a special shout out to our friendsDown Under, and Cam O'Neill in particular.You guys know Cam O'Neill, the father of one Casey O'Neill, who has a promotion down therein Australia known as Eternal MMA.They're having their 100th event this Friday, November 14th, and this is a place that hasobviously produced a lot of great talent.The likes of Jack Delamadelaena have been produced over at Etern.MMA. They've been going strong for 13 years. They've held events across six regions in the
11:28area, Western Australia, Queensland, South Australia, Victoria, New South Wales, and even New Zealand.No other promotion in that region is doing anything remotely close to this. And like I said,the likes of Jack Della, Casey O'Neill, Stephen Erseg, Quill and Salkeld, Cody Hayden,Jack Jenkins, Tom Nolan, and many others have come through thosedoors. So they're actually having EternalMMA 100 on Fridayand 101 on Saturdayas they get set for
11:59JDM's big title defenseagainst one Isamahachev. Wanted to give them a shout out.Congratulations to them.Good people over there. And one of thesemaybe we'll do a show down there. Maybe we'll doa show. We have so many big plans, so manybig dreams.Maybe. That would be nice. We'd love to get
12:14back to Australia. It has been a while. In fact, 10years since UFC193 when Holly Holmknocked out. Ronda Rousey, the great Chuck Minnellhas an amazing piece looking back at that overon uncrown.com, so go check that outright here and now. Okay.Stockton Slap asks,
12:31G.C. and Rick,in honor of the watch party thisweekend, blind rankthese six waysto consume the wackytobacco. Oh, wow. Wow.We're each doing our own blind ranking.Why don't we just collab? Yeah, I think you guys should
12:46collaborate. Hey, Jesus, what if we have a strongdisagreement? Well, we'll find out.Benjamin FranklinCan you explain what these are?What does that mean?Benjamin Franklin, he's talking aboutlike a weed pen.So you can do this
12:58you know,inconspicuously.You can do it kind of,you know,if you're riding on the subway,you hit it just a little just...Okay.What's up, dude?
13:07No, no, no, no.That just smells kind of funky in here.Maybe on like a planeor a movie theater,you hit the sub shirt.Maybe just like a quick,just...Okay.
13:17It feels like you've got a little bit ofexperience on this.Got a ghosted, dude.Okay, what do we got?What do we got?I'm going to go two.I'm going to go two on that.I mean, it's nice.
13:26It's nice.You can also, like, casually go about it.You don't, you don't have to, like, you know, you can kind of gauge how you're feeling.Blunt.I'm terrible at rolling these, so I'm actually going to go three.I have to go one.Actually, I'm pushing four.I'm pushing.
13:43Wow.More to one.Hand-rolled joint.Oh, so does that mean we're going to get a pre-roll.on here as wellPRJNo, actually notOkay, then I'm
13:53I'm going oneI love yeahJoin over bluntAbsolutelyWow this is crazyAbsolutelyYou go free to weigh in as wellI mean we could do a whole
14:00I'll never touch the stuffI won't know anythingMadnessGummy edibleGummy edibleThree yeahIt kind of creeps on slowVery discreet
14:09A vaporizerOkay so we're talking aboutLike a volcanoLike it fills up the bagI used to do the bagGrace is back in college.We've learned a lot about your college days this week.Should be, should be like a two, but because of the slots, I have a five.
14:27Binger rip slash pipe.I actually don't know what a binger rip is.A bong rip, I'm assuming, maybe?Oh, maybe like a bong rip, so, like, yeah, we're talking about a pipe.Glassware.Yeah, I'll go six.Six!He adds, I know Ariel likes his wacky with some grand slams, and P.T.
14:43likes his with some killigans.Cheers, Kim.How about like a...I don't know what he's talking about.a Coke can with like a tinfoil.Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the OG one. Okay, what to start?Bluntz one, for sure.Ariel, you ever heard of black and milds?
14:59Is that the thing that, uh, yes.Yes. Our boy, yes.Malcolm said. Shut up, Malcolm. I don't know what he was talking about there either.Yeah, oh, I know. I couldn't tell if it was a wrench that he was talking about or like,a black and miles. Black and mild. There was another time we was talking about a wrench.He's like, you know what that is? I'm like, yeah, yeah.Chris is.Yeah. Of course I know.
15:18You got a toolbox in the crib?For sure, 100%.I just changed a couple of light bulbs this weekend.How many home warnings does it take to change the light?That's one, baby.Kyle, guys, Kyle.Fellas, let's have some talk about the physical Asia show on Netflix.I'm absolutely shocked that Robert Whitaker,
15:36Yushinokami, Deng Young Kim, and Manny Pachia are a part of the cast.Ariel, how much are these guys making for this show?There's no way they are just competing for that prize money.Any chance you can get one of them to come on your show to talk about the experience?Okay, can I, can I be.be honest for a second.I don't know what the hell you're talking about.What is this?
15:52It's a Netflix show.There's a show that has Robert Whitaker,Ushen Okami, Dungan, Kim, and Mani Paco on it.Do you remember Sexyama was in it recently as well?Last season, Sexyama.What is it?It sounds incredible.It's like CrossFit.
16:05It's kind of thing.Oh, is it like American Gladiators type of stuff?Not quite that, but it's like in the same lane.Is it like American Ninja Warrior?Not quite.Yeah.Okay, so they're actually characters on it?It's a reality show.
16:18They're on.it.Wait, they're like living in a house together?I don't think it's filmed that way.It's not a house.It's not like a living...I don't know anything about it.I don't watch it.
16:25I need to.Everybody keeps tagging me.My barometer, Andy actually brought up that show the other day and I was like lookinginto it.I haven't seen any clip circulate, right?Like, we at least saw Nate and John like a clip of it.And I was like, okay, at least this is kind of relevant.I haven't seen anything from it.
16:43So I don't know how much is...I mean, there's a ton of comments on this particular question, but I really know.nothing about it.I've not seen it once.I'll check it out.And I believe Manny left the show.Oh.So.
16:55He quit?No, he said he had some business to take care of in the Philippines, so he was gone.Who's to check?Probably should have looked into that before.Who's to check?Senator Manny, we don't, we don't.Real deal, Menefield, Rick, please blind rank these six horror films.It's all blind ranks now.
17:10Audity.I haven't seen it yet, but I believe it's, I know it's pretty good, so I'll go three.I'll go right there.Parasite.is that horror thoughI was just going to say this feels more thrillerParasitesA cultural commentary
17:26That's not aThere's not going to be a better movie on the listSo I'll go one but it's not a horrorBarbarianTwoPrisonersFuckThat's two
17:37That fourI've never heard of any of theseMidsomerMidsummerMidsummerMidsummerNocturnal animalsOh
17:47That's ourrecent entry. That's a really good one.Chill and Holland. I didn't know how many we were doing, sosix. I've totally botched this litch. But Parasite doesn't count.Prisoners is a banger. Prisoners is a banger. It's not a horror movie either, though.Yeah, another... Another non-hre. Like, these are mostly thrillers.This is Steve Bouchemmy weighing in. He says,Happy Paperview Week. No question. Just Frank,
18:09not showing his face still puzzles me. I just picturehim looking like the Cyclops from Harold and Kumar escape from Guantanamo Bay.No hate. Just where my brain takes me.Peace and love, peace and love.It's pretty accurate, I do only have one eye.I guess he's bothered by this.In fact, I do want to let you all know something very exciting.We do have a special premiere tomorrow, so historically, big pay-per-view fight weeks.
18:37What do we do, Connor?What do we do, big pay-per-view fight week?Fight feast, baby.Fight feast.Now, we had always been talking about what?What were we talking about?White whale.The white whale.
18:45some might saywhen a certain TV showreaches a certain levelthere's a movie versionof said TV show, right?You know, The Simpsons,Entourage, you know I'm talking about Piztee, right?Like, there's a TV show that's popular.
19:00And then there's like, The Simpsons, the movies,South Park, the movie, Entourage, the movie.Well, we are very happy to announcethat tomorrow,premiering at 1 p.m. Eastern,10 in the West, 6 in Eta.It's what? What premiere? What's premier? Tell him.Fight Feast the movie.
19:18Yeah. A little more production value. Some bigger guess.Everything's just, everything's ticked up. Just one notch there.Fight Feast the movie. You know why I thought of this? Because Frank is in it and he's distorted.Distorted in a way we've never seen before. I have to say, the quality of his distortion.I love to sell on that. When I first saw it, because I'm not the one editing this time.Tell them. Tell them who is, because that's big in its own right.Biggie C. Lydon flew in.flew in for this fight feast
19:46first ever timehaving a real camera crewhaving a real editornormally Frank is just a giant blobin fight feast and this oneyou get the outline of the man the mythmysterious Frankand why do you say
20:01white whale what makes it the moviebecause of the gueststhe first guest coming from outsidethe teamit could only be one in New York CityMr. Action BronsOh my dearyear. And we have a teaser. We have a teaser for all of you.
20:16Just a little nibble. A little. A little.It's like 90 seconds just to what the beat.For the composition, do you know?Change the composition.One p.m. 1 p.m. Eastern and tomorrow it premieres.And then the boys will come on at 130, right? Boys in the back.We'll call it 135.135, all right. Who's to check? Who's counting?
20:34Here we go. Here we go. We have a teaser for all of you.This is it. You've never seen Fight Feast like this before.Some are also calling it, but also.FFFTDThat's what they're sayingWe didn't call it thatAction Bronson
20:48Please take a longHe's highThat's rightHey appreciate youThat's rightYeahFight Feast number one fan rightThat's right baby
21:01He's high for 322He's readyI need you to chooseThe Action Bronson main event for 322The one people are sleeping onMan that Kyle Doc is Gerald MershotI knew it. That's the one I had circled. I had this shit circled. I said that's going to be theBroncos made of that. I just enjoy it man. I enjoy eating tacos and watching fights. This is
21:24unbelievable. Was that one single piece of steak in there? Just nice and thin. You understand?Incredible. The way that that slice comes off, you only get the crunch and then the inside you get the soft.But it's just a little piece of soft. It's really crazy.Is there an elbow?Oh yeah.Imagine my nose explodes.This is the move.You throw the knee and you...
21:50He's going to take that.I'm going to take that single.I'm going to take that single.I felt the power right in my testicle.You're going to go for a ride.You're going to go for a ride.Holy shit.That's next level power.
22:05Now, get out of you.That's Barry.That's Barry Bond Circa 2001.His back ain't.All right, so you're actually first guest ever outside the team in Fifee's sister.You're elevating the program to a level.I don't know if we're going to be able to reach you.No, no, no.
22:21I'm telling you, after this, you're going to be fucking, you're going to be skating on ice.Like when I saw Boys to Men, fucking my birthday when they lit Rockefeller Center Tree,they had Boys to Men on Ice singing.I saw that.This is that for you.All right.So we become Boyce to Men on Ice.Men are nice.
22:41Boys in the back are nice.Oh, this is so great.That is amazing.By the way, I didn't know we were givingthe reveal that I showed up, too.Because in movies, you have cameos.Like, Happy Gilmore 2.You wanted the shock factor.
22:54I wanted the holy shit.Alwani makes his FF debut.I had to say, I pulled, you know, the crew.I was like, what do we think for like the 90s seconds?They're like, well, you got to get the part with Alwani.Yeah, getting cracked.Let me tell you, his single leg is unbelievable.He's not weird.
23:09That, that.That's paw.on that one real fast.His single leg was right up to the crock.He is quick.The screenshot that I'm going to take of your faceafter you got singled by Action Bronsonwith the quote underneath,
23:24I felt the power right in the testiclesis going to feed you in the game.That's a tombnail sorted.He wedged it.Done, dusted.Yeah, boys in the back on ice.Oh, my God.But you just take me to that tackle place
23:36the next time I'm over.They look absolutely ridiculous.Oh, wait until you see these burritos.as we were chomping on.I didn't go to all the stops.I didn't go to every stop.That does not surprise me.But yo, let me tell you something.
23:45Let me tell you something.That taco, I still talk to my kids about it a month or so later.Best taco I've ever had in my life, not even close.And these guys were struggling towards you and not to give away too much.I came in as the closer.Did I not come in as the closer?You did.You did.
23:58We actually not only wanted you there, you were required for the last spot.Oh, I helped out.You'll have to see.You'll have to see.But yeah, he took us to three spots.I had never heard of any of them.I was like, just want to say.I've never heard of any of these places, and he's just like, yeah, that's where we're going.
24:13Yeah.We're going places Google doesn't even know about it.I swear to God, I swear to God, I typed in the Uber to meet him at the first spot, and nothing came up.I was like, oh, that's how you know you're in the cut.Tomorrow, 1 p.m. Easter, is uncrown leveling up or what?Are we leveling up or what?We continue to.A force for the fight feast franchise, I don't know how we topped this one.
24:33Yeah, well, that's what happens.The movie comes out, but then you go back to your regularly scheduled program, and it's okay.No one, no one can be like a movie part two.By the way, South Park, the movie came out in 1999.They're still going strong.28 series.Yeah.I mean, honestly, the first 29 episodes of Fight Feast was just for this one.
24:50It was all just a rule.It was all just an experiment.Warplay.Was it a sizzle wheel for action?Exactly.Exactly.To convince him to do the collab.Here's a good one from Lover.
25:02G.C., please block.God damn it.How did this become what on the nose is?These five people who you would least wantThis one is ridiculousWho you would least want to meet your family at ThanksgivingOkayYou ready for this?
25:26The people that I would least want my family to meet at ThanksgivingYeahSo let's establish that people I don't want to bring to ThanksgivingYeahNumber one is the person you don't want the mostThe least you want thereKike HernandezFour
25:42YeahMac DaddyIs that ConnorMcGregor?Is he Connor McGregor?I don't knowWhoever has calledConner McGregor
25:51MacDadyOther than ConnorMcGregorWho is MacDady?Let's go with ConnorIf it's ConnorMcGregorI'll do
26:00threethreeThreePeople will behyped on the cloudI'm sorrybut peoplewill be hyped
26:07on the clubJed MishuUh,Jed Mishu 5, he's from across town, he's a good guyHe's a good guy, shout at to Jem MishuWait, I just want to be clearSo we'reFive is the one you want to most come
26:23The most, the most, the most, the mostOkay, okaySo Jets, Jets in, Jets come throughBoth McGregor and the Dodger playerTwo and one are foughtSydney SweeneyOh, you focusThat's actually five, Jed is two now
26:35Sorry, JedStay away, bro.Brian Campbell?Wait, how is Swinney not one?Brian Campbell's won.Yeah, that you least want them to meet.Yeah, of course, yeah.I'm not putting Sidney-Sweeney about Brian.
26:50Sorry, how is Sidney-Sweeney not five?She was supposed to be five.That's what I just said.He switched to them.So Brian.Yes.So Brian Campbell won Jed Meshue 2,McGregor 3, Kike Hernandez,
27:024, Sydney, Sweeney 5.That's pretty good.And then we rounded out with IsaacDelgarian.Dolgarian's not invited to think.If you're having a few bets, though,he might be a good lad to have around.No, no, no, I can't, I can't bring.
27:14No, probably not.I can't bring Isaac around.Times they are changing. Ariel,I'm making a move to the East Coast next yearwith my wife and two young children.How is it over there?I've lived in Cali, my whole entire life,30 years, and I'm making move to South Carolina.
27:28In doing so, I'm leaving the in-lawsand my birthplace.Any words of wisdom, it is daunting.debilitating and exciting at the same timeyou know I've never been to South Carolina but I've heard tremendous thingsthe Knicks used to do training camp in Charleston South Carolinaand they always used to you know glow about it that it was anyonebeen to South Carolina I'm assuming yes someone's been yeah several
27:50wait pizza you've been to South Carolina landed in there for a little well I thinkonce yeah no connection of flight no biscuit like they're actually hang out in SouthCarolina in the airport what airport Columbia 10 out of 10 what airport there's no wayI'm going to guess that you went to North Carolina, like Charlotte.Yeah.There's no way that South Carolina would be the hub.Columbia Airport in South Carolina?Great place.
28:13I didn't know it's any sense.I was in South Carolina a few months ago, Charleston.Nice place, right?Great place.Palmettos thing.Listen, home is where the heart is.You have your wife.You have your two children.
28:22You're going to be fine.You're going to be great.You'll find a new community.You know, your kids go to school.You make friends with the parents.You go out.You do stuff.I mean, South Carolina, I've only heard great things.
28:34It's not like you're going to, like, Detroit.I said that about Detroit last time when someone got mad at me.That's all.Yeah, they should.Detroit has Kate Cunningham.I just hate, yeah, I just don't like the piss.Remember that article?Shout to Little Caesars, too.
28:47About Lowell's Seasers when the U.S.Oh, my God.Yes, and I was like, yes, yes, yes.The Detroit Free Press, just, they did a thing that it wasn't a big enough card for Detroit.You brought this shit to Detroit?And it was like, Olivera was on there, Aldo was on there.It was like, it was like actually a pretty,Overeem was all in there.
29:08Did you interview the dude that wrote it?No, but I just went off on him.I was like, like what?Detroit, you should be happy you're getting anything.By the way, it is a great arena.It is a great arena.It's one of the nicest arenas that I've been to.I remember when you came back?
29:22Yeah.Oh, yeah, goaded.When you came back, you were talking about it like you had gone to Marsand gone to heaven and seen God himself.I think my expectations were so low that I was blown away.The house that Clarissa built.Yeah, hell yeah.Guilatine and chill.
29:38Hey, Ariel, when filming wraps and the camera stop rolling,what typically happens behind the scenes with your guests?Do off-air conversations ever reveal things?They wouldn't say on camera or moments that stand out as particularly memorable.I always imagine those off-camera moments must be some of the most genuine.Do you ever wish the audience could see them,especially with someone like Dylan Dennis?I mean, it's pretty quick.
29:57Hey, man, that was great.Thank you so much.Maybe a couple of pleasant trees.usually Connor comes in like Cosmo Kramer next door, barges through the door, takes a quick picture, takes a Polaroid, and you saw it on Monday. He barged in. We're still on the air with Chale. A couple of things here. The door has started sticking. Yeah. Like he barges. It's like...So it is Kramer-esque in the fact that I bust in like that. But second, the difficulty in timing you ending the interviews. I usually leave.this control room, which is a hike from the studio, and you're just like, Malcolm, we justwant to say thank you so much. We'll be right back after these brief messages from XYZ clipand yada, yada, yada. And then somehow I slow walk the mile over to the studio and you're still
30:45going in the interview. So then I bust in and you guys are like, whoa, shit, we're still doingthe interview here. So, yeah, Polaroid out. It's pretty quick. And then I usually say like,oh, they'll walk you out. Sometimes what happens is the guests will stay and talk and you guysleave. So then I have to do the awkward thing of being like, okay, like we need to continue withthe show. So I'll have to. So I'm photographer. Rick is handler. So once my job is done. Rick hangs outin the thing. He hangs out in like the pit. Once my job is done, I leave Rick, Rick kind of, you know,loiters outside waiting for the call. So yeah, you know, you don't, you don't want people to feel likesomebody else is involved. You know, this is a moment between you guys. I'm not, I'm not in there.
31:28I've had enough moments. It's an hour of sitting with the person. There's nothing.worse than when you're sitting around and then somebody else who's not in the conversation,like jumps into the conversation and is like over there, there's nothing worse than that.And then you do the thing when you walk them to the studio door and then you kind of like lean out like a friendly neighbor.And you're like, thanks again for coming.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.See you next time.Yeah, you got to get back to the show.
31:50A lot going on.We won't talk about it now, but Rick did something yesterday that is like far in a way,the nicest thing that any human being has ever done in the history of this program for someone.who's been involved in the showbut we're not going to talk about it nowbecause it's not appropriatetwo thingsto dare I say three
32:09dare I say threethis from Irish ladWho's to checkPeteyWho wins in this fantasygrappling matchupOh okayThis is for everyone then
32:19Petit's not hereYou can say that on thereDon't worry about itDerek MoneybergOr Ali AbdelazizWhat do you guys sayI'll take DMI'm taking Ali for sure
32:30PizziMoneyberg orAbdulaziz in a grappling match. Who do you got?One more time.Petit. Can you hear us?Yeah.Okay, sorry. I was just talking to you for a few minutes there.We were asking Moneyberg or Abdelaziz in a grappling match?
32:44Who do you like?Him coming back to this is fantastic.Well, look, we know Ali Abdelaziz at least can be Aidan Ross, right?We don't know anything about Winnieberg. We've never seen him grappling.That's a good point.I'm going on Ali.Yeah, it's a great point, actually. We've actually seen him go live.You're right.
32:59hey this is from big moneywhat's up gang for New York Rickplease blind rankthese five classic chale mispronunciationsOh okay this is goodBut we don't want this thoughOh Islam MakalchevThis formerly was number one
33:12I'm hoping that they got the cue from meSo I'm gonna go twoAlex PieraFourSurreal gainDoes he say thatFive that's more JohnLa Hal Muhammad
33:24Don't let me down hereYeah I'm putting thatnumber three. Marab.Ah, number one.The Wash.You pay attention.The Washla Vili.The Washalavili.
33:36The Washa Lavely. Nailed it.Marab, the Washa Lavely.Do you know about that guy?I'm still big on Blahal.Yeah, Blahal is so good.And it like falls out of his mouth too.Okay.Here is a classic one.
33:48It doesn't qualify.Where's the L come from?Yeah, where's the L from?It doesn't qualify, but always calling her the bullet is on the list.Like, even though it's not a mispronunciation, but never saying,her name is almost like, it's almost numberzero. It's almost above the list. It's hoveringabove the list. The next time Islam
34:05loses, Chale's going to be like,Islam Mocklethev, putting theL in Mocklechiev.He's also askingif Ubank Ben 2 is your secondmost anticipated fight of the year.This one doesn't have as much steam and aswe're kind of starting to recognize
34:21like the storyline is not asjuicy. It isnot. It is not up there this year.I'm still looking forward towith. And I'm pretty excited about it.Well, this is big over here, lads.The surrounding content is amazing.Again, you know, I've dropped in something else and nobody's even going to respond to it
34:38or watch it or look at it.But that's what you dropped it in five minutes before the damn show.There's a BBC documentary.Maybe a little response piece.Maybe just a little hundreds threads over here.Like, I love it.I was texting about something else simultaneously.Should we talk about that?
34:53No.He adds thanks.And even in our darkest hours, it's still go bills.And I agree, my friend.I agree, I agree.We're not giving up.We're not giving up.But we're not giving up on the bills.
35:06We're not giving up with the bills.What else we got?This is from Matt Mo, who's always good for at least 45 questions in the thread.So, Ariel, why don't you watch UFC Embedded?It's some of the better content the UFC releases on Fight Week.Each episode is very short like eight minutes.It's very easy to get through.I'm wondering why you choose now.
35:22I don't know, man.I haven't watched it in years.What am I missing?Okay, Pete, you say thank you.What am I missing?I mean just classicclassic insights into these guysNo seriously am I missing anything
35:32Are you being sarcastic or legit?Yeah I'll be in secondsBecause GC actually does watch itYeah I enjoy itOkay what am I missingWhat am I missing?It's just behind the scenesLike what have you learned
35:39What's been, okay not learnsWhat's been the highlightOf what the last three episodesUsually it's like Monday?So the issue isIs that I usually binge them on like Thursday eveningI just rip right through themBecause like you said they're like eight minutes long
35:52It's just behind the scenesAll Matt soundsThere's no actual commentary on itIt's just what's happening with these fighters behind the scenes.It's not like you're learning anything crazy.You know, there's a couple of jokes here and there,the haircut curse,and maybe we get like a clip going big on Twitter during the week,
36:08but like mostly it's just cool seeing like what these guys have to go through throughout the week.It's, to me, it's interesting.But to me, it ain't even close.Countdown's the best content they put out there.I mean, I haven't watched that in years.Countdown is Ben.I'm an old school Dana White, Blogweed, Fight Week guy.You remember that?
36:26No.Blog week, fight week.You guys remember, P.C. Rick?I think it was Fight Week, Blog Week. Yeah, fuck.That was the best when he would drop it.And then he got lazy within. He's like, all right, so what you're going to see on the blog today is like two weeks ago, we went to Houston.We had some wings and it had nothing to do with the event.It used to be, the blog week, fight week thing was actually the precursor to embedded, if you recall.
36:49But it was just following him.He was the star.And then they transitioned to this.No hate, no hate.To your point, though, I haven't watched Embedded since I left ESPN years ago, and I don't feel like there's been anything that came out from it that I, like, missed or didn't have...Something that's big, you're just going to see it on Twitter.See it on X, so I just...But to me, it's entertaining.
37:11I like seeing the behind the scenes.Was the McGregor and Dublin on the Forest one, Ariel?Like, an embedded?They would do embedded for a non-paper view?Because that's a non-paper view.That was just a fight pass showUnless they did a special oneIt's possible for Connor he got
37:28Because I can remember the lotsWhere I shoot with the filmWe're upset with the embedded guysBecause they were just getting the same shotsAs that was a bit of infoBut I don't know if that was the first oneI mean it was that 2014Yeah crazy when we're talking about
37:40JDS and KaneIt's 14 freaking years agoCrazyJames PortlandHello Ariel last weekOr the week before you guys saidDerek Lewis wouldn't get a title shotHe's the only person with a noteworthy name
37:51To the general audienceIn that division besides Tomand Cyril. Does that count for something? Did we say that explicitly? I don't remember us saying that.We were doing like an over and under situation. We were kind of like yes or not. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know. I mean, honestly, I guess he could. Obviously, he's not getting one next. And if John fights Alex, one would hope that the winner would fight Tom. But yeah, I mean, what's he ranked here? Heavyweight. Eighth. Spivak lost to him. There's Waldo out there. Almeda.coming off a bad loss.You know, there's still Volkov out, you know,Volkov against Lewis,part what, two, three?
38:34I'm not saying he's not going to get one.We all recall him getting a title shoton very short notice against DCright here in New York City many moons ago,but I don't think he's in that like next upor even on deck, so to speak.Gavriel says,hey Ariel, no lactose Rick
38:53and the whole crew, just curious,why did you choose to have your show on in the daytime?Aren't people at work?Wouldn't it make much more sense to have the show on at nightwhen people are at home and can't watch live?It seems to have always been on the day.I don't know.Shows are on during the day.
39:08You can also watch it at night if you prefer.I always felt like 1 o'clock was a perfect time for guests.You know, it's early, late morning on the West Coast.It's early, late evening in Europe.up, you know, the only one where it gets tricky sometimes is like Thailand, Japan, and Australia,New Zealand, but it's been, it's been one o'clock forever. The only time that my show didn'tair at one o'clock was during the pandemic. For some reason, we decided to air DC andHawaii at two. And it's because we taped it around this time and then we would like replay it
39:42right away. We didn't tape it live because of, I don't know, we didn't have the technology to dothat, I guess, back then or something like that. I don't know. But that was it.that was it.Matt Chiwiwi'slooking ahead now, the pay-per-view modelis gone with less time restraints.When can we see the UFC doing their PLEsin the New Year?
40:07England, Spain, Mexico thoughts.I still, I feel like they are creatures of habitand I feel like they're going to try to keep itto the 10 p.m.But, you know, I think that's kind of silly.I think they believe that that is their time.The audience is programmed to watch at that time.And if you want to get the highest live viewership,
40:30you have to put it on at that time.But I love a good afternoon pay-per-view.I wouldn't suggest going to Australia and doing it in the middle of the night.Like, WW did a show in Perth recently,and it started at 6 a.m. Eastern time.And I think that the UFC doesn't have to do thatbecause I think that the Australian audience is already programmed,even though it's weird for them to go to a show at 10 a.m. on a Sunday,
40:56I think they're programmed to watch UFC at 10 a.m. on Sunday.So it's not very weird.I remember talking to people about that when we were there.So I feel like they're going to try to keep it with a couple of exceptions.But let's see.We'll find out in less than two months.Shrimp cocktail says,Ola, Ariel, and crew, which do you think happens first?
41:17DJ gets inducted into the Hall of Fame,or John Jones gets an ESPN 30 for 30.Why isn't DJ inducted into the All of Fame?I don't get that one.Like, was he that, like, he wasn't a villain.He didn't want to do the Dillishaw fight,and he was kind of proven right in all of that,but it is a little weird, isn't it?
41:39Like, that guys will get inducted before himwho have had lesser careers and who have just retired,and he is still on the outside looking at.Like, that's Demetrius Freakin Johnson.I don't know.What do you guys think?I think DJ gets in at some point.I think so, too.
41:54I think some of it was that he was still active, right?Like he was still fighting for one championship and I don't know.Yeah.But it's been a while.And speaking of which, this didn't really have anything to do with the question.But I am shocked, we were talking about this before.I am shocked that more isn't being made of the fact that if Islam wins,he ties Anderson Silva's record for most wins in a row.
42:17That's a pretty incredible.it's not it's not cal ripkin2000 whatever it was332 I think it wasbut this is a pretty big dealto add that to your resumeas well as becoming a two division championis massive legacy building stuff
42:34we never thought it would be beaten rightthere was there was times where we saidlike that's never going to be equalsnever going to be beaten so it's it's incredibleit really really isI feel like I haven't seen that as part of thewell I haven't really seen muchbut I haven't been watching a bed it man
42:48Oh, are you saying that they talk about it on that?They had Islam and Anderson sitting down and talking about the record.Serious?No.Oh, fuck.That would be pretty cool, actually.Yeah, I've been fucking amazing.It wouldn't have been on fucking embedded.
43:01Yeah, it wouldn't have been on embedded.I agree with you, though.It is, he's chasing true greatness with this.I think there's a lot on the line for Islam on Saturday.Okay, this is a fun one from Mr. Miyagi.Hello, Ariel and Co.I was wondering if your decision to take the show in this new,direction was a conscious choice or an accident. The new direction I'm talking about is, of course,
43:22your decision to turn the show into a UFC slash Dana White bashing event and to amplify everysingle negative thing that happens within the UFC, for example, trying to make a big deal outof every stoppage, trying to make every slightly negative story about the UFC blow up and, of course,over-analyzing every word that comes out of Dana White's mouth. I've listened to the show for almosta decade, Ariel, and out of the kindness of my heart, I want you to know that the past sixmonths to a year has felt like your bitterness towards the UFC and especially Dana White is reallycoming out. Cue the hostile defensiveness about how unbiased you and the show are. I think you needto take a look at yourself and the show and really ask yourself if you were actually unbiased
44:01because that self-given label seems like a parody and that's why I'm asking is this parody oris it a massive lack of self-awareness? Wow. Mr. Miyagi, I would say that when you're talkingabout the stoppages. I think we're very fair about analyzing every stoppage because ultimatelythat's what this whole thing is about, wins and losses. And so yes, when there's a bad one,we're going to talk about it. But how often are we talking about, you know, the Steve Garcia'sof the world and the other fighters who are winning on a weekly, daily basis? And I think it'sfunny that when you talk about, you know, a show that on average, let's just say my show is likethree and a half to four hours an episode. And then you got the boys in the back that's probably
44:44around two to two and a half hours and then you've got the crack that's probably around like anhour to an hour and a half and you put all those hours together in addition to the watch parties inaddition to the the the post shows and everything else how much is actually negative this is the thingit gets amplified sure and and it gets clipped off and all this stuff and I get all that but how muchis actually negative how many times have we talked about 322 on this program calling it the best cardof the year and how excited we are and how it's you know uh the best main card and how you knowthis one is more interesting than this one we can't wait for jean versus valentine and all thisstuff like it's so it's it's laughable to me and you'll you'll you'll say that my response to you
45:24is me being defensive but how else do you want me to respond i'm responding to your question ieven picked your question i could have skimmed right over it and i picked it because i don't agreewith it but i'm okay with the criticism i'm open to the criticism i'm happy to hear criticismmy feeling is that when you are that powerful and that influential, you do have to bechecked. That is just part of the job. And trust me, I don't think Dana White gives twoshits about what we say here. I don't think he loses a wink of sleep, but it's our jobto dissect what the most powerful person in this sport has to say. There's no question about it.I'll own up to that. He is the most powerful and influential person in the sport by far.
46:07job is to dissect. The same way you dissect what an NFL owner says when he speaks, the same wayif you're working in politics, you dissect what the president of the United States, he is thatto us. There's just no question about it. So when he says things like, I don't know, we're notpolitical, I'm not political, yeah, we're going to talk about it. When he says things like what he saidto Nick Torturo while they were, you know, chomping on some pizza about how money ruins everythingand then is very happy to flaunt the factthat he'll gamble hundreds of thousandsif not millions of dollars per hand
46:42and he then talks about how money ruins everythingfor the fights and fighters,yeah, that's a little rich.That's hypocritical.Oh, don't know what I'm talking about?Well, we have this clip for you.Here it is.Here they are chomping on some pizza
46:56talking about how money ruins everythingin the prize fighting business.But do you think that that event kind of likeIt was a great event, but did it hurt Connor in the long run?No, I mean, money ruins everything, so once you get too much money involved in the fight business,if you look at, you know, Connor made so much money, and then that was it.And then Habib made a shitload of money, and that's it.And, you know, but being a part of that, I fought it for so long, like, this isn't a fight to make.
47:28And the fans wanted to see it so bad, and we ended up doing it.And it was awesome.It was fun.I mean, the world tour that we went on,Connor and Floyd were both great on that world tour.And then I think Connor did a lot better than people expected.How does money ruin everything?Like, the fighters are getting paid what they are due,
47:48and more often than not, they're not.And so here's a very, very rich man worth hundreds of millions of dollarswho would never say that money ruined everything for himor anything for him.I would say that he has enjoyed a pretty good life.And so yet, like, to say that Habib retired because he got rich, I think he's very insensitive.Habib has told us multiple times why he retired.I don't think it's because he got rich.
48:16I think it's because his father passed away and he made a promise to his mother that he would stop fighting as a result.Connor McGregor fought multiple times.He fought Chabee.He fought Donald Soroni.He fought Dustin Porriott twice.He was supposed to fight Michael Chandler.he didn't retire after that fight did the fights become a little more infrequent yes the pandemichappened and yes his his his desire to you know to to be as active as he once was once he got
48:44rich is 100% a thing that happened but like to suggest that the money is ruining these guyswhen you are a guy who has profited off of that money is not something that I just want to ignoreI'm sorry and you could get you could get people who ignore that all day long so don't watchthe show I don't know what to tell you but I would saywhat would the breakdown be 95% positive 90% positive like we have literally devoted our lives to talking aboutthis sport and and I can assure you we do not devote our lives to coming here and sitting andbitching about the sport but it's not all peaches and cream it just isn'tJosh Pee hi Ireland crew a couple of hard hitters for you today is baseball the most irrelevant
49:31international sport, calling it the World Series when it's only North American teams.Competing really bamboozles me.People get worked up over this nonsense.It's a great sport.If you don't like it, okay.Cricket's not popular here.Rugby's not popular here.And I'm not going to shit on it.
49:47People like it overseas and in other parts of the world, great.They get hung up on the World Series thing.My response to that would be the best players in the world as far as baseball is concerned.in the major leagues, in MLB.And so, yes, other countries aren't being represented,but they are being representedvia the players who are involved.And so it is the best of the best.
50:13There is something called the World Baseball Classic.We'll have that again in March.I enjoyed immensely.But look at the Blue Jays and the Dodgers.Who's the best player on the Dodgers?Shohei Otani.Who's the second best player on the Dodgers?Yamamoto.
50:27Where are they from?Japan.Who is French?Freeman represent Canada, born in the U.S., but represents Canada and the WBC because his mom isfrom there. Look at the Blue Jays. Vlad Garrow Jr., Dominican Republic, and on and on and on it goes.So it's a worldly sport. I don't know what the breakdown is compared to the other. It's a lot moreworldly than the NFL, I'll tell you that. It's probably more worldly than the NBA, but the NBA isgetting a lot more, you know, a lot more diverse when it comes to, you know, the best players in the
51:04world are from, you know, currently you can make a case that the five best players in the NBAaren't from the U.S., which is amazing. The likes of Yokic and Shea Gilgis. Who else?Luca Donchich. Yonis. Yonis. There's one more. There's one more. Yokic, Shea, Wemby,Embed for the longest timeLou DwartI don't think he's in thatNo no no no noBut I so I would just say
51:36Maybe NHL is a little more worldly as wellBut I don't knowI enjoy itYou don't like itIt's all goodGrant YoungHey Ariel I was surprised at how earnestJosh Hokit was on Monday's episode
51:51And how authentic his Mr. America gimmick seemed to beIf there was one active Canadian fighter who could benefitthe most from a patriotic Mr. Canada gimmick,who would it be?And do you think Canadian fanswould rally behind that sort of thing?Or is it just exclusive to American fans?I mean, would Mike Malott be that guy?
52:11But he's not that guy.You know, he's like,he's too Canadian to be that guy,if that makes sense.You know?I think it kind of just works for the American.Drew, are we now sponsoring UFC pay-per-view events?Notice Embedded States V-Chane UFC 3.
52:26are we going to see Coca-ColaUFC 340 soon? Is that the case?Yeah, the V-chainbranding has been on all the likecommunications about the event and thename. Oh.So is it called like V-chain UFC3-22? That's what they've been putting on social.
52:41Yeah. Oh. Wow.Look,TKO has openly said likethey are in the business of sellingreal estate, right? Whether it's the matat the UFC, whether it's the mat onon WWE, like everything onWWE is sponsored now.
53:01And so I wouldn't be surprised.Jose Cuervo UFC 350.Or it could be likeUFC 350 presented by.But yes, I could see that happening for sureif it hasn't happened already.This is from Colin.This question is for PT.
53:19I'm an American who grew up watching American footballfins up and has started following rugbyover the past few years, Leinster.As an Irishman who has recently gone into American football,what are your thoughts on the similarities and differences between the two?Do you ever think that America can become a Tier 1 nation in rugby againby promoting these differences in encouraging non-NFL caliber football playersto begin branching out?
53:43Well, that is the problem, right?The professionalism, the level of pay in the NFL is much greater than in rugby.I wouldn't be a huge rugby fan.My dad and my brother are to go to.a lot of games.It's a great sport.It doesn't have a lot of stoppages like NFL does,but it's not as explosive either.
54:03Obviously, they're not wearing helmets,so they don't colloid at the same kind of speed.You only pass the ball backwards.It's great.Like, I love the Six Nations every year.I don't really get into the World Cup,but I do believe that if there was no NFL,the US would be brilliant at it
54:19because of all the brilliant athletesthat are playing the NFL.I just don't think that it will ever catch onAnd because football is such a presence in the country, it's just the biggest thing, right?I just don't think that it will trickle down to rugby.But I believe that like the colleges play, like Harvard and Prince and all those kind of places.It's actually quite popular there, club teams.Yeah.
54:39Yeah, I just, I don't know, it's just to me, the NFL is just so spectacular compared to rugby.It's even in here, it's become more popular.It was kind of like a, it was kind of a class thing for a long time.It was more of a middle class thing, especially in.Dublin, but it's become more widespread now into working class areas like that. Butit's huge over here. It males, females, everybody loves it. It's a massive deal whenthey're in a tournament. Pizzi's Ashtray says, howdy Ariel and the Boys, quick fact for you. InAustralia, our roly cigarette papers called Tallyho used to print little facts on them. One of them
55:15was that in 2019, 87% of Australians lived within 50 kilometers of the coast. I know you guys likeyour facts, and it goes fitting with G.C.'s massive cigarette addiction.After listening to the show for around two years, I've become obsessed with not justMMA, but journalism itself. From asking the right questions to staying neutral and unbiased,I really admire how you and the team break down barriers with your guests. Thank you.I've also tried to develop what I call the journalist mindset approach, asking questionsfor the other person's sake, staying open-minded and always keeping the quote, I really don'tknow much in mind to learn new perspectives.
55:56Here's my big question.How do you connect with people and get them to open up?How do you structure your questions?Do your research and follow up to build up lasting connections.I ask because I run a vintage, a retail vintage store, old soul vintage, on the gold coast.Shout out and building relationships is a huge part of my day.Thanks for everything and much love and happiness to you all.I mean, Malcolm Wellmaker, right, is a good example.
56:23I really just wanted to learn more about him, his backstory, how he got here, how he gotinto this, what he's had to overcome, obviously he had a very interesting previous chapterin his life being a pipe fitter.And I don't think, I think you just have to be inquisitive.I think the most important thing is to be inquisitive, is to be curious, like I said,it's to be empathetic, to have an open mind, an open, an open soul, an open heart, openyears, don't be so, don't be married to a script of questions. Listen, respond. The same way you're atyour store, someone comes in and tells you about something, now you're reacting to it. And then you
57:04just go back and forth that way. You vibe that way. And so, of course, you want to be researched.You want to know about the person going into the conversation. You want to have some sort ofsense. I get to flex this part of my brain a lot when I do the Olympic stuff.on Friday, interviewed a snowboard half-piper.I didn't know who she was 24 hours prior.But I had to learn and then learn enoughto where I could feel comfortable talking to her for 15 minutes,but at least recognize the fact that I don't know
57:36the intricacies of snowboard half-pipe.I don't know the history of that.I don't really know much about her and her background.I've read stuff.I've done my research, all that and more.But I just have to have a basic knowledgeand then take it from thereand allow my curiosity,
57:50allow my listening to guide us.And so you ask questions, and then you follow up on that,and then you go back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.And so I just think that, like, I listen to a lot of interviews when I'm getting ready,especially when someone comes in studio, I'll listen to like some old interviews of theirs.And it drives me nuts.People are interrupting.People aren't research.
58:11The conversations are awful.There's nothing to take away from it.I was experiencing that with Malcolm.He's been on some shows.I'm like, this is tough.This is tough.So I just, I want, I want to learn about why he converted.I want to learn about, you know, the gym that he's at and, and becoming a dad and becoming
58:29a husband.Like, that stuff interests me more than the fight on Saturday.So I appreciate it and I wish you the best.We'll get to a few more questions, perhaps back into the program.But for now, let's, let's move along with things.Back in March, we found out from Jalen Turner that he was calling it a career and it was a greatchat. It was a heartfelt chat. He came on the show and we talked about it. You know, he was one of thebest fighters in the world and had essentially had enough. And then we found out just a couple of
59:00weeks ago that he's coming back. He's coming back at the next pay-per-view, the final UFC on ESPNpay-per-view, UFC 323 December 6 in Las Vegas. And I wanted to understand why Jill Turner decided tocome back some, you know, nine or so months later. And so without further ado, let us say hello to theTarantula, who's kind enough to join us on this Wednesday afternoon, to talk about it all.Hello, Jalen. How are you?I'm doing well. How about yourself? I'm doing great. I do want to let you know that this newscame out, oh, I don't know, back in October or so, I think it was. However, we hear on the,well, not this program, another program on the network called The Boys in the Back.
59:39We got a tip in September from someone who works at Petcoe who told us about this before theworld knew. I want to play this clip for you and you tell me if this is an actual real thing thathappen. Take a listen. I have met Jalen Turner at my work. I work at PetSmart. I'm not, I workat PetSmart. And I'm working at PetSmart. I see a cool dog and I look up and his Jaylen Turnertraining a dog at my work. I talked to him. And he told me, I wasn't supposed to say anything,but I'm going to tell you guys. We're all, we're all friends here. He told me that he's returningto fight in November. Now, he was training his dog. We talked a little bit about dog traininga dog trainer and he was like
01:00:20don't tell nobody but I'm returningto fight in November. So Jaylen Turner officiallyout of retirement andis returning in November. Hopefullywe see him in the UFC.Okay, so he got the month wrong, but is that a realthing that happened? Did you tell some guy at PetSmart?I said Petco, I apologize. PetSmart that you're coming
01:00:37back? Yep, that was the realthing. And I told him not to say nothing.Yeah, what the hell that? You just blurted it out.That's a wildthing. See, I'm, see,I trust people.So how did that happen, by the way?You're at the store, and the guy recognized you, and you're like,
01:00:53yo, man, I'm coming back after all?He ended up being a fan, you know, talked to, you know, like knew who I was.And, you know, I just gave him a little update, you know, talk to him about it.We talked about dogs a little bit.And then I was like, yeah, you know, I was like, I was shooting for November,trying to get back in there.And then, you know, lo and behold, ended up being December.But it all worked out.
01:01:14It all worked out beautifully.But, yeah, so that's how I came about it.Okay.Okay.So I'd love to understand how this all unfolded.Back in March, you're telling us about the retirement.You're a little bit emotional, but you seem at peace with it all.How soon after, okay, the dust settles, now no one's talking to you, you're just a retired
01:01:32UFC fighter, do you start to think, wait a second, I want to come back, and why are you feelingthis way?Honestly, first of all, when I retired, I definitely didn't have any, like, aspirationalto come back.Like, it was, like, wholeheartedly, I wanted to step away, didn't want to, like, thinkabout fighting.The wild part is the thing that happened was Ian Gary's camp asked me to come train with himfor the Carlos Proctus fight.
01:02:05So I literally get up off the couch, and I'm like, yeah, I'll go do it.Like, yeah, like, I'll help him out.So I go there, and, you know, we train and, dude, Ian's such a good guy.You know, his wife, his family, the whole thing.team everybody was such a good atmosphere to be around and they kept telling me like you'll be backyou're going to be back i'm like no i'm not like no i'm not i'm not coming back they're like do yourtalented dude you're good and i was just like yeah but i don't i don't feel it anymore i don't havethat that passion for it so um you know being being in the ian's corner watching a fight like
01:02:37i was okay being out on the sidelines and like i was like man like maybe i'll just startcoaching and just you know just do something along those lines but that sparked me toget back in the gym. So after that, I just started staying in the gym. I started just teaching guysin the gym. You know, I started getting more involved in the church. I started helping so many peoplein the church. And I just started serving people. And the more I started doing that, the more I started tosee, you know, how God was working behind the scenes really just showing me a new way. And I was like,okay, Lord, I was like, open up a new door. I don't want to go fight. Like, this and that's not what I want to do.but I was in prayer a lot and I was in just good community and I know God was like
01:03:22I need you in this atmosphere for now I need you I need you there for now like go fight againsay all right so lo and behold I'm back but also I found the love for it again I foundthe passion for it again being around the young hungry guys like Richie Miranda likeLejean like Jacob Rosales my buddy Daniel Matos likeall these guys are hungry in the gym working and grinding and I'm like, man, like, they want to bewhere I'm at and I'm just, just letting this opportunity pass. And I'm like, man. And I'm like,you know what? I found a passion again, helping them out, seeing that they're hungry and I can stillhang with these guys. And I'm like, all right, I'm still, I'm still good. I'm still able to be
01:04:05in the top vicinity of the UFC. So I always said, if I came back, I wanted to fight a legend,like somebody that's been in the sport for a long time and like i prayed about that and i honestlyi thought it was going to be like charles but i was like there's no way charles going to fight me andyou know he's ranked i'm not ranked it wouldn't it wouldn't have made sense and edson was at145 at the time so he didn't even like cross my mind at all and then one day um i was talking aboutmy manager and we were just like like man like god's going to end the year with a bang watch like somethingwas going to open up because they you know like I just I just didn't feel right with anything likeI was just like okay like we'll see maybe November's not probably going to happen and then boom like
01:04:50the next day he calls me he's like Edson Barbosa December 6th I said say yeah so yeah that's itthat's it I said that's the one you know I prayed about it and I was like yeah I think that's that'sthe move you know he's a legend he has he's a veteran of the sport he's a K-Lartist great striker you know it's like i i love the match up and i just think it would be fun for thefans to come back to how long ago did you decide okay i am officially coming back and and what wasthat process like to say to probably call up your manager and say okay i want to tell the ufc thati'm coming back how long ago was this um it was maybe maybe like late august maybe somewhere aroundthere i don't remember the exact time frame but i stayed in the gym so that was my thing like i
01:05:45did not stop like after i went and helped uh train with i for for that that week i did not stoptraining after that so i just started feeling inspired being around all these guys being aroundcub being around my old team being around uh anthony gonzalez you know and just i just got hungryagain i was like ah i do love this uh i do have a passion for this i am skilled at thisAnd I just started to just stop believing all the lives and doubts that were just being poured into my own mind and my head.And then I got, you know, got close to my family again, got back right with my kids and everything just kind of just became dusting to the rug.And even my kids were like, Dad, we want you to fight again.I'm like, for real again?
01:06:26You want me to fight again?They said, yeah.I said, all right.So, yeah.Did you exit the testing pool and then have to reenter?Did you stay in it the whole time?so um i exited it i exited the testing pool for it was such a short period so it was only like uhlike a few months in between not even not even that long so they literally like came and tested me
01:06:53right away and they said since i wasn't out so long and all my tests came back like negative andeverything was clear that i was good okay okay so so when you when you decide to come back and and youtell the UFC this, are they just like, all right, welcome back? Or do you have to talk with someoneto convince them that your heart is in? Like, what does that process like? Um, true. I didn't haveto talk to anyone. Or at least your team. Like, do they just say, like, all right, Jalen's, you know,Jalen's changed his mind. He wants to come back and like, all right, we'll let you know.Or do you have to sell them on, you know, that you really want a fighter or he had to sell them?I didn't have to sell anyone because ultimately it's, it's my decision.
01:07:36and the action was already showingand where I was.I was in the gym every day still.I was still training hard, still sparring.It wasn't like, oh, he's not training.He's not doing anything.He doesn't care for the sport.He's not doing anything or equipping himself
01:07:50and he's not being ready sitting on the couch.You know, so I think that was the convincing pointfor my coaches around me and everybody around me.And then, you know, my management already knew that too.Like, I'm posting videos in the gym and really training all the time.So I don't think it's,took too much convincing. I think it was more so, just, just like more so for myself totry to convince myself, oh, yeah, I want to go back. Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I want to.
01:08:16You know, and that's the thing. That was what it was. That was like the step back, the step awaywas, you know, knowing that I wasn't mentally there to compete at the, at the highest levelwhere I needed to be because I just was not functioning. Like, there's a job. There's allgoing to be times where you've got to do things that you don't like and you got to overcome andendure but like I was saying like my circle was really like it was just the foundation was reallypivotal at that time so now I got like a good foundation around me a good circle around me so I knowno matter what the result ends up happening I'm gonna I'm gonna bounce back and no matter what the resultis I'm not retiring after this fight okay so like are you gonna retire yeah yeah you're back
01:08:55you're back for good or at least for now you're not back for just one more right into thesunset no I got I think I got three to four more years okayOh, years, okay.I thought you were going to say three to four more fights.In retrospect, do you think something else was going on back in March?Like something, I don't know, you're burnt out or, you know, you talk about the circle and all that,but do you think something else led to the decision?It wasn't, I don't think, when I lost my two close-blade decisions,
01:09:30those are something that really, like, they hurt a little bit, you know, when I lost the game,when I lost the Dan.So I think those two things were just underlying parts of it, especially, just especiallywith how everything was going.I feel like I won the fight against Garam out.The Dan Hooker fight was close, you know.I think it could have been a draw.But, you know, it's like those two fights really, I think they kind of, they robbed me
01:09:58of something in a sense, you know.And that was hard to deal with, but I don't think I ever really, like, came to termswith it.Then, you know, further, like not getting, not getting a, getting my hand raised was justkind of like, dang, the pressure is starting to, like, build and I just didn't know where to placeit. And then, you know, ultimately, when with this last, this retirement, it was just likethe tip of the iceberg was just everything else. And it was honestly, it was just, it was personal.It was a lot of things going on in my personal life. And, you know, I don't want to name names or
01:10:31talk about people specifically, but, you know, I had a, I was doing a. I was doing a.training camp and then I ended up leaving because you know I had just personal stuff going on likeliterally just uh I don't know how transparent I ever be to talk about it but maybe one day I'lltalk about it but yeah I just have personal stuff going on in my own life so even with that lastfight you know I didn't want to fight it and you know I know I know God was telling me to gofight that fight and I still did and yeah you know so now I'm back and everything happened for areason. I just, actually, I just watchedthat fight with the Nossio last night
01:11:06for the first time ever.Wow. And ittricked me. I always watched my fights. There's onlytwo fights I haven't watched, and that was one of them. And I haven'twatched the other one yet, buthe said he had a dream that he was going to winby submission. AndI was like, wow. I was like, wow, that's so
01:11:24crazy. And I was like, that had to have been God.I was like, because that's one of the fights Idon't want back. Like, if you ask me, oh, whowould you want a rematch? It's like, I'm not going tosay Ignacio because like I just know where I was and I know like he like that's that's hiswin you know what I mean I just know it in my heart I'm just like that's his one and when Iseen that in the in the post prior interview I'm like I'm like yeah I'm like that was it that was agod move so that's I think that's why I was so at peace with the result because usually after
01:11:51it lost like I'm I'm fired up like no matter what I'm ready to go back in the gym like I wantto fight again like right then there like let's fight again you know but that's one of theones where I was just like, oddly calm about it and I just, I peace about it.But yeah, I say that to say, you know, there was so much personal stuff going on.And it was just really a buildup a snowball effect.You know, I moved, I moved away from, I moved away from home.I was training out of state, training out of the country.You know, it was like so many big transitions going on.
01:12:23And then having like just, just falling out with coaching and then, you know, justdoing all this, having all this happen right before a fight, not getting in my US, I didn't evenget my contract for the fight. You know, I hadn't got my fight contract for the Ignaciofight. And I was like, dang, like, am I even going to fight? Like, all this stuff going upin the air and like, I get back home. And I was like, I'm like, yeah, I'm not fighting thisfight. I'm like, I'm not fighting this fight. Then the U.S. season of the contract, like a weeklater, like two weeks later. And I'm just like, dang, like, I ain't even been training like I shouldhave been. And then I'm like, all right, I'm a fight. And I pray about it. All right, I'm a fight. Get the call.
01:12:57my buddy calls me like i think i want you to fight i'm like all right i'm a fight so man it was justit was an emotional roller coaster like and that's what i mean like if i had like you know umjust solid a solid circle i would have been able to just move maneuver better through all that stuffso yeah it was just one of those things you know it was just one of those things but yeahby the way what's the other fight that you haven't watched yet now that you watch the ignaciofight i have not watched that u s 300 fight with moikano okayI've not watched.I watched the highlight, like a little piece.
01:13:32I've not watched the entire fight.I haven't sat down, I watched that fight.You think you ever will?I'll watch it one day.It bothers you because you feel like you let that one slip away?It bothers me because that's, that was one of the biggest points where everything started to just, just,crumble for me like that was like that was a fight where that was a fight where personal stuffreally started just crumble and relationships started to just get shaky and iffy and i just
01:14:11and honestly like looking back at it i just know i just know god was like if i had won three hundredthousand dollars for finishing him that fight and i just know people around me would have gotreally fickle. And that'sa big revelation or reason whyI didn't want that. You know, like,it's crazy as it sounds, you know, I knowthat's the reason why. So.You say that you don't necessarily want
01:14:36the Ignacio fight back. You're at peace with it.I would imagine you want that oneback.Yeah, I want that one back.One day I want that oneback. I want that one back.I want, I definitely wantDan back. And
01:14:52maybeMaybe Gamrod. Maybe Gamrod again. I watched that fight so many times. I'm like, I'm at peace withthat one too, because I'm like, I'll be him. I'd be Gamron. You know? I mean, you mentionedthese names. These are the who's who. These are some of the best fighters in the world at 155 pounds.So yes, while some of them didn't go your way, it's not like you were losing to guys whowere in the top 50. These are guys in the top 10, top 15 at worst. And so I'm very excited to seewhat this new and improved or these, you know, maybe like the resurgence in you, what it alltranslates into. In May, did you have surgery? Was that anything that was plaguing you and how
01:15:30serious was it? It wasn't too serious. I tore my meniscus during camp while I was in Dubai and I knewit right away already. But, you know, fighters fight. So I still fought and got surgery. It was aquick recovery. It wasn't one two major. I literally started skateboarding like, I think like two weekslater. Okay. And for preparation in, you know, in this training camp for this fight, for thiscomeback, did you link up with Ian again since you seem to have enjoyed your time with him?Will you, did you do it this time or will you do it in the future?Well, I didn't do it this time, but I definitely would do it in a future. I reached out to him,I reached out to him a couple months ago. And then once he got the ball fight, you know,
01:16:15I just, we just kind of just, yeah, didn't stand communication. And also, I'm just not bigon traveling for camp. I'll travel outside of camp to go train, but when I'm in camp,I like to stay grounded, like, at home, like with my family. And that's something that I reallylearned from Ian, too, man. Like, he had his, you know, he had his son there, he had Leo there,he had his family. Like, it was, like, that's something that's something that I need to starttaking into my fights, you know, like being around family, like having that atmosphere withyou. Like, it should be, like, tight-knit family when you, like, even when you're going togoing to battle, going to war, you know?
01:16:51Like, I used to always say I wouldn't have my kids at my fights, you know.But then, like, I see how much it played a factor to it and just normalizing whatyou're doing, you know.It's like, all right, this is another day at the gym.I'm just about to go train.And it just keeps you present.So then when you go fight, you can fight at a better performance, you know, at a betterpeak mentally.
01:17:11So, and I've realized that about myself as well, you know, like, I don't like to travel fortraining camp.I like to stay home, stay with my kids, do my whole normal routine.And it just makes everything flow better.And then when I go to Fight Week, it's like, all right, now I can lock in.How old are your kids?My son will be 8, December 20th, and then my daughter's 6.Okay.
01:17:31Are they showing interest in martial arts?Yeah, my son definitely loves it.My daughter, my daughter was doing pull-ups the other day.She did like five pull-ups, and everybody was all impressed.Okay.And are you cool with them continuing down this path?they got to go get a college education yeah yeah yeah i don't mean being prize fighters butand and who knows what happens when they're older but like at least now are you are you cool with
01:17:58them practicing training things like that yeah absolutely i definitely want them to train andknow how to defend themselves with need be especially my daughter like that's something that'sthat's that's uh that's a that's a non-negotiable but you know as far as pursuing as a career that ispercent up to them i won't ever force it on them i won't ever tell them they have to but you know asas far as learning a martial art and learning martial arts in general yes you have to learn like you haveto learn and defend yourself during your your hiatus and maybe at the beginning of it did you take abreak from mama did you not watch fights did you not like keep up with the news did you need just likea mental break from the whole sport yeah yeah i didn't watch anything i didn't know what was going on
01:18:41i was updated i was like don't tell me i don't want to talk about it i'm not evenEven my close friends, they were like, I haven't watched the fight since you fought.They're like, I haven't gone to an event since you fault.I'm not going.It's not the same without you.And I'm like, I'm like, yes.I'm like, yeah.Yeah, and then I got the call to go help Ian.
01:19:02And, you know, even with that, you know, like I was supposed to have surgery before I went there.And then I was like, I'm going to just go do this.I'm going to go help him.And then I'm going to get surgery after.So, yeah, it was awesome.And what about now?do you feel like now that you're back and you have this renewed enthusiasm are you keeping upwith it are you watching how do you feel about the sport i've only watched like the big fights i
01:19:25haven't really been keeping up still honestly i don't i don't keep up with it as much as i used toand i was younger like i'll i'll keep it with some of the lightways in the top i'll keep up withlike the big names but as far as that i'm pretty much a casual bro okay i'm honest i was justcurious because there's a there's an interesting fight this weekend that sort of pertains to youryour way class and that's islam moving up from 55 to 70 to fight jack della how do you thinkhe'll do in this in this main event on saturday um it's something always shows up i think he'll doi think he'll do well i think it'll be a good performance i think it'll be a great back andforth battle um you know may the may the best man win that night and yeah i'm excited to watch
01:20:09i'm definitely going to watch that one that's going to be good jack is a monsterI love his style.I love his hands.I love his work.I love watching both of them fight.So, yeah, I'll be tuned in for that one.What about Armin and your former Foha Dan Hooker next week?Armand Sirukian, that's a big fighting in your way class.
01:20:25What do you think about that one?Oh, I think that's going to be a good one.If Dan can endure the grappling, because Dan, dude, Dan is like the toughest man on the planet.He's the toughest human being ever.So I believe he'll be able to endure the grappling as long as he'd have.doesn't get subbed or anything, he's going to tough it out, and he's definitely going to, you know, try to push towards the later rounds.But Armin is the monster, and he does not get tired.His grappling is good.
01:20:53His striking's got him better.He's just getting more comfortable in there.So, dude, that's going to be a war.It's going to be a back and forth battle.Dan's definitely going to make it a war.Like, I think he's going to come out and make it a war.Who does he get in the handraise?I don't know.
01:21:05I don't know.I won't count out Dan in any fight, you know.So, yeah, we'll see.by the way i i i know you breed uh pit bulls right um we talked about this at the top how many how manydo you actually have oh i only have two i got i got two i got a i got a boy and a girl's uh flare andmy dog salara flare just had some puppies so i'm thinking about keeping one of his puppies but yeahi don't i don't have a bunch of dogs i just got two okay and is flare named after rick flareno no relation to rick flare at all you know but uh everybody thinks that um not he's
01:21:41he, when he was a puppy, like, he just had this spark about him, and he was justsomething fiery, and I was like, what's a good name?What's a, I like unique names.I like things that aren't normal, things that, you know, people can't say,oh, that's my dog's name.That was my old dog's name.Like, I've never met a dog named Flair, so I was like, Flair.Even with my nickname, like, I never met a tarantula or no other fighter had to tarantula,
01:22:00you know, so, yeah.And now that you're back to fighting, you're in training camp, you're about to fight inabout three weeks time.Have we paused on all skateboarding activities?because I remember you saying that you were excited to do it moreand not having to worry about injury.Now, how are you handling the skateboarding stuff?I haven't even got to.
01:22:19You know, I just kept training.I kept training and I haven't skateboarded.I've been skateboarded since I've filmed that clip, actually.Wow.How long ago was this?That was maybe like three, four months ago.Okay.Yeah.
01:22:35So you are taking a break?Yeah, yeah, no skateboard.You're not allowed to do anything crazy when you're if I can't.But you're a pro.I didn't know if that qualified as something crazy.And just curious, I'm always curious.I'm interested in religion.I'm interested in why people follow, you know, what they want to believe in and how it touches them and what it means to them.
01:22:57Were you always a religious person or was it just now recently that you got into it and this kind of helped guide you through this time in your life?I was not always religious.So my mom raised me and my sister, like in church, I started, I started going to the churchI was like 13, 12, 13 years old.I got baptized and then so much like stuff happened in that church and I just straightaway and I was like, I don't, I'm cool on all of that, you know, like it was a lot of church hurt.And yeah, I didn't, I would, like my mom would ask me to go to church every now and again,every blue moon.
01:23:30So I would go with her sometimes, but just kind of like just show face.And I wasn't, I wasn't about it, you know.I was just like, okay, like, I'm here showing up.I had no relationship with the Lord, you know, and this was only recently, I think abouttwo years ago, you know, so like a person of significance came into my life and like reallypoured into me and poured into, you know, the aspect of understanding who Jesus Christ isand reading the Bible and getting to know him.And I just built that relationship.
01:23:59And I've been blessed to have my pastor helped me and just brothers in Christ help me andcontinue to keep me sharp and growing and just learning about the faith, serving people.And this definitely been something that's helped me so much because even with all the successI had and dealing with everything I was going through, I just kept turning to, like,alcohol, partying, drinking. And I just kept feeling empty. And I'm just like, I don't understandwhy I'm feeling empty through all these things and instances. And then, you know, now everythingI've gotten through, if I told you everything that's going on this year, man, like, you wouldn'teven understand how I'm like happy and smiling. But it's just,
01:24:33through the grace from the Lord, you know, like Jesus Christ has just truly helped me get througheverything. And it's been a blessing. I can feel the smile coming off the screen. I could feelthe happiness. You're a much different person than the one we spoke to back in March, and I'mdelighted for you, man. Welcome back. I'm glad to see that you're in a good place, that you'rehappy, that you're excited, motivated, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what this meanscome December 6th. Can't wait for your return and very much appreciate you coming on to talk to usabout this. So again, thank you. And good luck. Good luck in training. Good luck on the night.And welcome back once again. This is an unexpected thing. I wasn't, you know, we've seen
01:25:10MMA retirements end, you know, after a year. So maybe not always after a few months.But this is a special thing and it's great to have you back in the mix.Yeah, it's great to be back. And honestly, like I said, I didn't expect to even come backthis fast. I thought it was going to take me a couple years. But hey, God was moving. And he told me,I go back, go do this. I'll say yeah. And, you know, I'm happy. I'm excited. I can't wait to go backin there and perform. I can't wait to go back in there and fight. And, you know, I'm going to be herefor a while. Love it. Thank you, Jalen. All the best to you. Looking forward to it.Thank you so much. Appreciate you.
01:25:45There he is. The tarantula, Jalen Turner, returning on December 6th against Edson Barbosa.A big fight for him to come back to Barbosa, returning to 155 as well. And that's the final UFCpaper view of the year. I don't know if they're on the, I don't know if they've announced thebreakdown of whether or not that's going to be on pay-per-view or main card and all that stuff.That's the one headline by Marab, De Wally Shvili versus Piero Yan, and of course, Josh Vanagainst the flyway champion, Alex Pantosha. In a matter of moments, we're going to bejoined by one of our favorites on the program. The Red Hawk, Tim Welch. There is somebreaking news that we can mention.
01:26:27And we can get into it throughout the show.But Ring Magazine is reporting that Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua are getting closer and closer to finalizing a deal to fight in December in Miami.So we know that Jake and his team have been working to salvage this Netflix date.He was supposed to fight Tank Davis.We know about the Francis Sangano offer.would you say that this is a big test for Mr. Jake Paul? Anthony Joshua has not fought since his loss to Daniel Dubois. Prior to that, he was on this comeback tour, if you will, very much rejuvenated. This is a former heavyweight champion multiple times over. And still, I would say, one of the best heavyweights in the world. This is a guy who will fight at 250, 260, Jake Moore of a cruiserweight. Don't know more about the terms, aboutthe rounds, about the, you know, proexhibit, I would imagine it's a pro fight,
01:27:30but I would think thatJake will get, or I would hope,I should say, get creditfor taking on this challenge.I'll get, I'll get the thoughts of theboys later on in the show,but this is a much differentchallenge than the one that Tank Davis
01:27:46was going to present, just giventhe size difference. Like there's literallya hundred poundsand, I don't know,a foot difference betweenA.J. and Tank Davis. It's a completely different fight, and it would be happening within the nextmonth or so if, in fact, it does happen. So interesting stuff there. Let us go along now and sayhello to our next guest, who is kind enough to join us. We always love talking to him.
01:28:12He is the man known as the Red Hawk. He is one of the smartest men in the game. He's got atremendous YouTube channel. He breaks down fights like no others. Very fun podcasts. I've had theprivilege and the pleasure of being on it myself. He's the one and only coach Tim Welch.What's up, Timbo? How are you? Doing good. Great to see you. Been a busy, busy morning, butglad to be here. You're squeezing us in. That's a very polite way of being like, I'm a busy guy.I'm doing you a favor. Let's make this quick. Is that it? No, every time you text, no matter what,I'm going to make time for it. This is the biggest show in Eminem.Well, I appreciate it. You look very studious today. I like this look, this shirt.
01:28:57There's a thrift shop right next to the dojo here, and it's this guy. He was, he's probably 60 years old. His name's Brad. He's my stylist. So he finds my shirts. He texts me. What do you think of this shirt? And I go down and grab it.Well, shout out to Brad.It's a great shirt.It looks great on you.Your setup is always so great.I always love your voice.I've said this when I was on your podcast.You have a very sort of late night DJ vibe.
01:29:19You know, like I want to go to sleep to your voice.You know what I mean?It's a great thing.Hell yeah.I appreciate it.By the way, can I just ask, I know I'm springing this upon you, but just at first glance,Jake Paul Anthony Joshua, you like this?Dude.
01:29:34People have got to have respect for Jake Paul.If something like that goes down, you can,not not have respect for this guy last fight okay against daniel dubois fight before that beatfrancis nangano yep beat auto otto wallin that is such a dangerous fight for jake paul i'm i'm curiouswould it be on netflix yes i believe so oh my it's a big deal man that's a big step up like tankis tough and and were you out there with sean um in porto rico i saw some footage of themtogether no he made it a quick trip quick trip they went down there for w to do some film andstuff. I had so much going on here, so I stayed home. What was his assessment? By the way,
01:30:14I had no idea this was coming right before you were coming on the show. So I understand I'mspringing this upon you, but I'm just kind of, you know, digesting it myself. What was Sean sayingabout the training over there and how he was looking? He said their training just so dialed in.That's all they do. They train in the morning, rest, and then they train at night and live lavish inbetween. They have a chef and he said he's pretty focused down there in Puerto Rico. He said it'spretty badass. Okay. You think he could win that fight? You think you could beat a guy like AnthonyJoshua who's that much bigger than him and that much more accomplished? Do I think he couldbeat him? I like Jake and Jake's a buddy, but I don't think he can beat him right now. But the
01:30:55size of the Cajone is on him. Yeah. Talking about that fight is crazy. Yeah. So someone willsay it was fixed or that it's, you know, they'll make up something about him. That's usuallyhow it goes, but I do agree. You have to respectthe willingness to take on this challenge, especially one month.Were you surprised Francis Inganu? Didn't take the fight?I mean, I'm curious what you think about that, but you get offered. Someone comes to youand they offer you $20 million for an easy fight. 20, 30 million, however much it was.I just think 10 rounds of boxing when you're not in shape and you're not prepared,
01:31:31that does, I mean, that would tarnish France's whole legacygoing 10 rounds with Jake Paul on two weeks notice.So I think he found a smart way on saying, no, he's not interested.Okay, yeah, I would have loved to see it, but yes,there's a lot for him to lose.There's obviously a lot to gain as well, given the money involved.But Joshua's is, I mean, it's an even bigger name in the boxing world.So let's see how it all plays out.
01:31:55Part of the reason why I wanted to have you on, Tim, on this particular episode,was because I love your breakdowns.Your YouTube channel is fantastic.You continue to do a great job, great production.And I love the top four fights in particular on this card this Saturday, UFC 322.So I just wanted to hear because I feel like a lot of them are 50-50 fights, including the main event, which is the biggest of them all.So when I say Jack Delamadalena versus Islamachev, can we get the timbo breakdown here?What are you thinking?
01:32:22I mean, obviously there's ways for Jack to win.But he's such a, he's got a springy stance.He bounces in.He bounces out.We're going five rounds here.his cardio is great. He probably walks around at195 pounds. Islam's used to fighting guysthat are probably walking in the cage 175,
01:32:38but Islam is a natural 170. I've been around this guymultiple times. He is damn near six foot.He looks like he's 200 pounds out of fight camp. And that's whatmost 170 guys are, six foot to six two. And theywalk around 195 to 200 pounds. But Islam,you see him in his pictures now. He looks just as shreddedas he does at 155. He's talked about it in the past thatCutting to 155, trying to recover in 24 hours and fight five rounds.
01:33:06He said he's max at 60% of his strength and power when it comes to recover and afterweight cuts.Now, I mean, I think we're going to see a whole new monster in Islam Makachev.I really would love to see Jack put one on his lips, boom, and put him out.I would love it, and I'm hoping that happens.But I think Islam Makachev is going to get on top, put him in half guard, and probablysubmit him, unfortunately.Okay, because you tweeted a couple of days ago.
01:33:31That's actually what prompted me thinking about having you on.You said, you're nervous for Jack.You think this is going to be a really tough night for him?I do, because his defensive wrestling is good.Bala Muhammad, I don't know what happened in that fight camp.He wasn't shooting nearly as much as he does, but he has this weird defense.First of all, when you try to shoot on someone who's going side to side,they're constantly switching stances.
01:33:54It's hard to get in on shots.But he also, when he stops his shots, he, he, he,changes levels and he blocks people with his forearms and he gets his forearms in front oftheir collar bones and stuff. And I think that could work pretty well, but someone as strongand as big as Islam Makachev, I think it's going to be hard. And he is working with CraigJones, so he's able to make, hopefully make some jujitsu scrambles happen. Start fromhalf guard. If you just try to wrestle up, classic wrestle ups on Islam Makachev, he's goingto darst choke you. He's going to grab a front headlock and that's where his best
01:34:25finishing spots are. If he can get underneath him and maybe go deep half guard and dothere's a sweep called the John Wayne sweepthat he did against Bala Muhammad in Halfguardwhere you usually get pinnedand he did John Wayne sweephe stiff armed his armpit technical stand-upif he can do funky stuff like thatit'll help but I think Islam Makachev
01:34:45and those guys are going to be preparedfor that kind of stuff and I think he's justyou've seen it in the pastJack getting taken down pretty easyand Islam when he takes you downhe's just not going to let you upyou saw him against Dustin PorierDustin Porre is such a good black belt
01:34:59has such great teammatesDivision 1 teammatesand when you go in therelike go in therewith someone like Islam Makachevand you're not used to train himwith people that have thatthat strong of a fucking grip
01:35:11who's been grappling their whole entire lifethat's just a different level of strengthwhen it comes to the gripand you see him even on thathand class machinehe has like 161 pounds on that thinghe's got big paws on himI really would love to see Jack win
01:35:27because it makes a division so excitingbut also Islam Marx has a fucking freak show.Man, I love these breakdowns.You do such a great job.I am curious about what you think of Islam, the striker.My rudimentary take is that he understands who he is as a strikerand what his limitations are.And so he keeps it very, very simple.
01:35:46He doesn't try to do anything crazy, flashy.He keeps it simple and it's effective.Do you think we see an evolution to that as a welterweightbecause the guys may be bigger, longer?Do you think he keeps it just as simple and that works for him?I think that's just the Russian style.They don't do a lot of flashy.They don't do switching stances.
01:36:02They don't do a lot of flying stuff, like much spinning stuff.They're just that long Russian style of boxing.And a big reason Islam, I mean, Islam's boxing is so clean, but a big reason it's so cleanis because people are constantly worried about him, level changing and shooting intoa high crotch or a single leg.So it opens it up for his striking.But I don't think we'll see much different striking, just clean, simple, fundamental boxing from him.It sounds like you think this is a really good matchup for Islam.
01:36:29Do you see any nightmare matchups for him at 170?If he gets by this one, can he have the same type of prolonged reign at 170 as he did at 155?Or are there going to be problems to come?Someone like Shavkat, someone like Shavkat who's just giant, who's a giant, and he's going to have good defensive wrestling.I would love to see Kamar Uzman get him.I know Camaro's getting a little bit older.but Camaro's performance against Hamsat Shamaev made me thinkdamn maybe Camaro could do something but still at 170 I just don't know if
01:37:03there's anybody who can I think Islam's going to stay at 170 I don't thinkhe's going to go back back down if he wins if he wins he's going to stay at170 I don't think he's going to go back down and I think I think he's anightmare for all these guys if you were Jack's head coachwhat's the game plan here I mean you saw him you saw him do it again you saw him doagainstBalal.The way he's
01:37:26changing levels,blocking with hisforearms,always getting ahand inside.When he gets onthe fence,he's got a strong
01:37:31grip too.He's always goingtwo on one.It's hard tofinish thesetakedowns whenyou go two on one.And again,
01:37:38working with Craig Jones,trying to usejujitsu.He does morejiuitsu.He doesn't doclassic wrestlingstandups.
01:37:45Try to havethe same gameplan he did againstBallal.And we're going tobe able to find outin the firstprobably,
01:37:52in the firstfive minutes,if Jack's going to be able to shut down those shots or not.And if he accepts those takedowns and Islam's able to get on top and half guard,it's going to be a long night.What's your assessment of JDM Balal in that I think a lot of the talk afterwards was thatBalal didn't use his wrestling enough?And I personally don't think that JDM got enough credit for his defensive wrestling
01:38:14and keeping him at bay and keeping it sending.Do you lean towards more Balal straight and maybe fell in love with the striking and wanted toprove everyone that he can knock him out or was it more Jack's doing?You never know, you never know with these guys.You never know with their fight camps, how much they're able to wrestle, how much theyweren't able to wrestle.But then you do see people like that.They're like, oh, man, why didn't you just shoot more?
01:38:34Why did he take him down more?It's like, put someone in front of you about three, four feet away and have them bounceside to side and juke side to side and switch stances.Then when they are squared up in front of you, they're punching to your stomach.It's a lot harder than you think.So I think you do got to give Jack credit.Just his footwork, his footwork and his tactics in that fight made it hard for Ballal to trackhim down.
01:38:54Okay, so ultimately you're going with an Islam victory via stoppage, right?I want Jack to win.I do.The guy just seems like just the nicest guy, a family guy.I want to see that team win, but I just think it's going to be hard going against someone like Islam Makcheev.I think Islam's going to submit him.Oh, wow.Yeah.
01:39:14Early, you think?I don't think early.I think Jack's going to be able to stick around, stick around long enough, maybe third round,third round dars choke head and arm chokeIslam's a pretty big favor going into this fightI think him winning via submission is like a plus 200so if you're on prize pickswhich I do believe sponsors you maybe that's the pick
01:39:35I don't even know if you could do that type of stuff over thereI don't partakeThey're actually adding it soonYou're going to pick a winner or a loserUsually they pick you pick more or lessYou can pick more or less on takedownsMore or less on significant strikesMore or less on like the fight time
01:39:48But now they're adding soonYou can pick the winner or the loserOkay I'm just as interestedin Zhang Wei v. Valentina Shevchenko.And here's another situation where someone's moving up from 115.I wish that she could keep her belt,and we could see champion versus championjust like I wish that Islam was able to keep his belt.
01:40:05How do you see this one playing out?People don't talk about it enough,but for fighters, their confidence is like one of the biggest things,confidence going into a fight.And right now, Waley, five-fight win streak,Valentina pretty much two and two in her last four with the draw, Lexa Grasso.It's such a good fight.Valentina's 37 years old now.
01:40:30Wayley's 36-year-old.I think especially the way Wayley's coaches talk, she's just so dialed in.She hits like a guy.Valentina does too.I mean, she hits like a guy too.But Whaley swings her whole hips, her whole shoulders in it.She swings punches to fucking kill you.There's a reason she's got, she's a girl.
01:40:47She's got 26 wins with 11 KOs.You don't see that very much.So I'm picking Whaley to win.Yeah, I think she too is an underdog going into this one, and that surprises me.Yeah, that is surprising.I wonder how they got that.So how do you see it playing out?Do you see her finishing Valentina always very, very tough to do so?
01:41:08What do you think?I think Whaley will win a decision.Okay.Do you think she's the best fighter in the world as far as women's MMA is concerned?Yes, I do.I do.I think she's number one pound for pound as wellYeah, I think so
01:41:23She's just she's just so solidSo solid, so springyAnd a girl she beatShe beat Joanna twiceJessica AndraudCarlo Esparza Amanda LamosTatiano SuarezShe's just so skilled
01:41:35And my favoriteProbably girl fighter to watchYesHer evolution has been phenomenalI think early on people thoughtOh the UFC's just giving her opportunitiesBecause she's Chinese-born fighterI think she's proven that she is much more
01:41:47than just thatAnd I think she's going to be incredible at 125.I agree with your assessment as well.Yeah, I think she can be strong at 125.That extra little bit of horsepower go a long way.The performance against Tatiana Suarez was eye-opening to me.Like, I think everyone thought Suarez would just sort of steamroll her,and obviously that did not happen.
01:42:07I think the guy who has the most pressure on his shoulders on this card is Sean Brady,because I thought that Sean Brady was going to get a title shot after fighting and beatingand dominating and submitting the only on it.Edwards first man to ever do that.And instead, he has to fight a killer named Michael Morales, who, let's be honest, if you're acasual fan, you probably don't know if you're a hardcore fan, you know, and you think he's terrifyingand he's gigantic and he hits like a freaking truck.And they're like, yeah, here you go, fight this guy next.
01:42:34You just submitted a former champion now fight this guy.How do you see this fight playing out?Because I think Sean Brady is incredible.And for some reason, the UFC, for whatever reason, isn't getting behind him right now.Yeah, I mean, gosh, and then they put him against this monster.Michael Moraes26 years oldand he's 18 and 0
01:42:51he's on a nasty win streak right nowTKOed Gilbert BurnsTKOed Neil Magnybut he's taking on Sean BradySean Brady's another level of strongyou see this guy's backhe's got a good back on himand now
01:43:04he took out Leon Edwardstook out Gilbert Burnstook out Kelvin Kelvin GassumI think Sean Brady is going tobe tacked about 15 minutesGod Michael Morales is so scaryI think 15 minutesSean Brady's going to stay
01:43:18calm enoughand end up taking him downand taking him out.Winning a decision?Just like maybe thefact that he's a veteranhe's been here beforegives him the edge.
01:43:28Yeah.Yeah, I'd say a decision.I love that.I mean, it's a great fight.I feel bad for Sean.I feel like he should be fightingfor the belt next,but I think it's a great fight.
01:43:38And then you've got in the same way class,Leon Edwards versus Carlos Prochus.Prochus getting back on trackwith a spinning back elbow.We don't really,The question here is who is Leon Edwards at this point, right?Like, we don't really know.Again, talking about confidence.
01:43:53I mean, like these guys that are at championship level, like Boe Nickel, Leon Edwards,these guys that have been fighting their whole lives.You see when they, sometimes they lose, they literally, they lose so much confidence.It demoralizes them.A loss can demoralize fighters very quick.I don't think that's going to be the case with Leon Edwards.Leon Edwards is Southpaw and Southpaw.This fight, I'm so fired up.
01:44:15for i'm so fired up for this fight um we're just gonna we're in for a real treat kickboxing matchbut carlos prattez that dude is nasty he has got the build for 170 lanky and just scary 32 years oldsmoke siggies this is cool smoke siggies uh again one and one in his last two leon edwardscoming off a two fight skid i think leon edwards can come out there and out kickbox him i really doSo I'm going to pick Leon Edwards' decision.Okay.By the way, if you had a fighter who was smoking like 10 to 15 sigs a day,would you be cool with that or would you tell him to stop?
01:44:53I would just probably try to put him through the ringer.I'd put him through the ringer when it comes to strength conditioning.In praxis, I'd be putting him with the toughest guys.And if he's not fatiguing and he's pushing the paceand he's still having good reactions later in the rounds and he's still,I mean, what can you say?What can you say?It's like, if he's smoking siggy and he's gassing out,
01:45:13I'm like, dude, do you want to be a champion or do you want to just smoke the Sigs?Yeah.I just wanted to ask you about two other fights on this card.You mentioned Bo Nickel.What's your assessment of Bo at this point?You know, the internet said he got fraud checked against RDR, but we've come to find out RDR's pretty damn good as well.And I hear he is fighting a guy named, you know, Hedolfo Vieira, who's a tremendous BDJ practitioner, but maybe on the back nine, as they say, of the career.I like the matchup for him, but who do you think Bo Nickel is at this point, and who will he become?
01:45:43Hold off O'Irera is probably when it comes to just accolades, probably one of the best guys to ever be in the UFC.But again, he's really good Nogi too.He's he won ADCC.He's world champion in the ghee.But again, he's this big guy.And most of his jiu-jitsu comes from being on top of a person, being on top of a person and just smothering them, getting in half-guard, smothering him.And I just don't think he's going to be able to take down bow-nickel.And I don't think his guard is going to be dangerous enough.
01:46:13and he's not like a really lanky, flexible guylike Charles Olivera that can crawl his guard up,threaten arm bars,almost applaud his triangles.He's more of a stocky, big guy.So I don't think he's going to be able to submit Bo Nicol,and I think he's a good fight for Bo.I'm picking Bo wins by decision.
01:46:29Okay.And, yeah, again, people saying he got fraud check by Rainer Derritter.Rainer Derrider is another freak show.He's huge.I don't know how he makes 185 pounds.His record 21 and 3.he's six four he's he's giant and then he goes and beats robert whittaker right after so you can't take thataway from bo nickel especially bo nickel only being seven and one and taking that fight so yeah i think
01:46:54good fight for bo nickel i think he wins it by decision and what about this malcolm wellmaker is heon your radar 135 or obviously you have a very accomplished and famous 135 are in your stableuh i'm very impressed by him have you watched any of his fights and are you impressed as wellI haven't watched much of himbut I've watched him kind of move aroundand train a little bithe is explosivethe right hooks
01:47:18three right hooks in a rowyeahthree right hooks in a rowit's crazyI'm trying to rememberhow he did thosethrough those right hooks toooh the last one was incredible
01:47:28like he he faked the kick to the bodyand then he wentand it was likeit was Semtex Dailyesquebut with the rightnot with the leftclean it was beautifulback in Atlanta in June
01:47:39Yeah, I think I remember nowHe like throws that right hookBefore his foot even landsHe like throws the kick and just whips thatYeah, I meanThe guys he's fightingWell, I guess we'll seeI guess we'll see he's got Cody Hadden coming up
01:47:56I'm not sureIt's not top tier but they're building him upAnd I feel like he's another one of those guysLike a paint and towelBut I maintain 135 is the most interesting divisionIn the UFC right nowYou've got these young studsYou've got the established guys
01:48:08And he's on that listI think he's phenomenal.Yeah, I'm excited to watch him.31 years old, too, 10 and 0, 6-KOs.I'm excited to watch him grow and get bigger fights for sure.Former pipe fitter.This guy was a pipe fitter for almost 10 years.I mean, you do that kind of job, and then you become a UFC fighter.
01:48:26I tell you what, those construction, any of those construction guys that come in and they're, that do that kind of work, they come in, their grips are so strong.Even in jiu-jitsu, they have just crazy strong grips, and that definitely comes from construction.production for sure. I'll ask you about a couple of things and then I'll let you go. What about this Red Hawk Academy? I saw some footage of the Red Hawk Academy. I mean, this is, you talk about state of the art. It is, and you've got, what is this? You've got paddle courts on there? What is this? What are you guys doing over there? This is the suite right next door to the dojo, right next door to the dojo. It opened up and I was trying to kind of brainstorm. I mean, Shug went and played pickleball a couple of times. I was like, damn, that pickleball is pretty fun. And I was looking into it and it's like one of the fastest,growing sports in the United States.We're right next to a retirement community, too.And the old folks, they love this pickleball.So I was like, why don't we just open up our own pickleball facility?So it's got four courts right next to the dojo.
01:49:24Four courts, we're making it kind of an 80s theme.So there'll be some 80s music pumping.And it's just going to be a real good vibe when you walk in there.Real good energy.It's hard because pickleball, you compete with free courts that are outside.But right now, we're the only indoor courts on the west side.and it is just going to be a good time.And it opens up in about three weeks.
01:49:44Three weeks.What's it called?The pickle dojo.I love it.And look at the gym.This is the Red Hawk Academy, right?Yes.And you've got the Red Hawk Jabba House.
01:49:54What a vibe.I mean, it's beautiful.Every time I come in, it just still seems like it's just a dream to me.It doesn't seem like reality.But yeah, it's pretty crazy.Like six years ago, I rented an old mechanic.mechanics garage, 900 square feet. There was still mechanic stuff in it. And I just really grew up, grewslow. I just grew slow, grew my memberships. I didn't have to get any investors or any loans out.
01:50:20And I think that's where things get hairy. And I just did it because I love it. And I wanted to makejust a fun place that I enjoy coming to and hanging out at. And yeah, everything's going prettysmooth, really enjoying it. And this is open to the public, right? If I'm a Joe Schmo, I could go theremyself. Yep, open to the public. We got great beginners jiu-jitsu programs. We got kids'jujitsu programs, and then for ourMMA fight team, I have phenomenalcoaches. I got Dracar Close, who'sone of the head coaches. I got Mark
01:50:47Martin, former Ohio State wrestler,Courtney Casey, and JoeDiesel Riggs, and then I got a handful ofother coaches, too. So we got some great coachesand we have some amateurs coming up that aregoing to be a problem in a few years.I love it. I love it. You also have TommyMcMillan who just won, right?
01:51:02Is he the next guy to come out, your next greatpro? Yeah, TommyGunn. This kid's an animal.This kid is built for fighting.He enjoys the hectic fights so much.Three-time state champion from my hometown.I've known him since he was a young buck, and he moved down.And he, yeah, the kid is, the kid's going to be a problem for sure.
01:51:24He looks like Sean a little bit with that hair and that build.Yeah, he looked completely different styles.Okay.Yeah, they do look similar.And what about Big Sean?What do you think?When are we going to see him back?Hopefully in January.
01:51:37Hopefully, yeah, in January, we're kind of keeping them ready.He just got done sparring right now.So starting to get his body ready to go for a battle.Okay, 135?135, yep.If it was up to you, who's he fighting?I mean, gosh, there's a bunch of fights that could happen.But I really want, if things work out the way they should work out and Shug gets to fight for the title again in the warehouse, you got Song you dong.
01:52:07who's a great matchthat would be an exciting fightyou got the Zahabi kidthe Zahabi kidhe beat Pedro Munozhe beat Josealdohe beat Cito Veraand I think that's
01:52:19another exciting fightthat we could look really good inwe could look really really good inso maybe one of thosea lot of optionswhen Zahabi called them outI saw his videoit seemed like he kind of like laughed at it
01:52:30so I wasn't sureif he was going to be interestedin that oneyeahboth of us weren't super familiarwith Zahabibut then we kind of watched himand then watched his record
01:52:39like, oh, that would be athat would be a really fun fight.Even Bryce Mitchell just called them out.Did you see that?Country Boy versus City Boy.I didn't see the call out,but I know Bryce messaged me.He said, hey, brother,
01:52:51because he was going to come outand do some farming with us,but he said, hey, brother,maybe we will waitbecause I think Sean and I are going to fight one dayand then we'll all hang outand do some stuff after.I said, sounds good, bud.
01:53:02Okay, all right.Maybe you go fishing with some of his friends,you know, just chill up.One more.One more, let me ask.you, Marab, Marab and Jan, the rematch.That's obviously a weight class you knowa thing or two about, you know both opponents.
01:53:13What do you think? How does that go down?I feel like,I mean, obviously they sayPeter's right hand was hurt in that fight.Marab's probably had injuries he's dealing with two.Everyone's counting out Peter.Everyone's counting out Peter, and you cannotcount out a monster like that.
01:53:29I mean, the bigger cage, I don't think that'll be muchdifferent because of their styles.But I feel like Peter could take a lot from the wayJDM stuffs these shots.The way he changes levels and blocks people with his forearms and stuff.I think Peter Yon could win.I think he could win, especially Marab.He wants a TKO.
01:53:48He wants a K.O.He's getting more comfortable with his hands.But if he sits there and flurries like he did versus Corey Sandhagen and he's flurrying on PeterYon, he's open to be hit.His chin is above his shoulders.He's open to be counterpunched.And I think that's a way Peter Yon could win.But again, Marab is such a fucking tank that.
01:54:07I won't be surprised if Mrab wins by decision again.You're the man, Tim.Thank you so much.Really appreciate it.Go check out the YouTube channel.The Academy is looking amazing.The pickleball.I mean, you're killing it.
01:54:18I'm still waiting to go and get a coffee.That's all I really want.I just want to try your coffee.And then I'll fly back home.But it's always a pleasure to pick your brain for a few minutes.Thanks for squeezing us in.I appreciate you very much and all the best to.Talk to you soon.
01:54:30You're the man, Ariel.Peace out.See you guys.There he is.Coach Timbo on the program.Always great to have him on.What a vibe.What a vibe.
01:54:37The YouTube channel, he's got a thing where he like does like late night streams and it's a real vibe.Coffee looked good in that video too and they did like, it was nice.I like coffee right now.Yeah, you want some.Should we go?Let's do it.Guys, what do you make of this Jake Paul Anthony Joshua before we get to John McCarthy?Pretty crazy.
01:54:58You into it?I mean, it's a fight that I absolutely would watch, no doubt about it.I was on Logan Paul's pod and they asked me which do you prefer.This is before everything went down with Tank, Tank, Tank, Jake, Jake, AJ.And I said Jake AJ.To me, it's just more interesting because AJ's taller, bigger, more accomplished than Jake, obviously.But I like the idea of Jake trying to take down the big guy as opposed to fighting down.And I see no reason why this isn't a pro fight, why it wouldn't be a pro fight, right?
01:55:31A thousand percent.You think people will like it or hate it?Love it.I think that anything Jake Paul is tied with people typically don't likebut I think the fact that he's fighting against Anthony Joshuawill have to be a sizable underdog in that one people will appreciate it morehow can you not respect the move?This is the one where Jake Paul gets knocked out.
01:55:50For the people that don't like Jake Paul, this is the one.He's delivering it to them.He's saying I'm facing a top heavyweight.The guy who folded Francis and John is like a launcher.Yeah, the guy who folded Francis.He's supposed to kill me.So I think the Jake Paul haters are going to love itThe Jake Paul lovers are going to love it
01:56:08Because they're probably delusional enough to think he's going to winIt's perfectIt's exactly what you're supposed to do if you're Jake PaulIt's a better fight than FrancisIt's a better fight than TankHe's done itIf the reports are true and this ends up happeningI think Jake Paul
01:56:21Nailed thisWhat if he does what?He can't but it would be incredibleLet's marinate on thatAnd we'll come back to itBecause we're still digested at allI haven't had a chance to reach outto the contacts, but obviously
01:56:35Coppinger is tapped in,as is the ring. Very excited,though, to talk to our next guest, and itactually occurred to meafter we were able to book him,wow, unbelievable that this wouldhappen on the 32ndanniversary of UFC 1. Now, he didn't
01:56:51work UFC 1. I do believehe made his debut at UFC 2,but I mean, an individual who issynonymous with the sport,with the organization, with the growth of thesport, certainly from an officiating,standpoint, I mean, who better than Big John McCarthy to talk about all of this and more. And recently,we got the news that he was coming back to officiating. And he recently dusted off the old
01:57:15referee shirt, the gloves, all that stuff and more. And given, you know, some of the criticismsthat we've had as of late, wanted to have him on, but also what a time for someone of hisstature and of his experience and resume to reenter that pool. I think it's only a very hugehuge, huge, huge positive move for the sport and for the fighters to have someone of his experienceofficiating these fights and being back in the mix as far as officiating, regulation, all thatstuff and more is concerned. Without further ado, let us say hello to the one and onlyBig John McCarthy, who is kind enough to join us on this Wednesday afternoon. Hello, John. How areyou? Long time, no speak. Absolutely. And thank you for the very kind words. I appreciate it.
01:57:57But yeah, the old guy with the gray beard, he's back. You're back. We had Jalen Turner come out ofretirement. We spoke to him earlier, and now we have you coming out of retirement to get backinto the swing of things. And so let me ask you, for the last few years, you had been doing thispodcast with Josh Thompson, the weighing in podcast. At one time, we were at odds, but I think thatwas just all performative, right? We were just friends. Never. Never at odds. I think you do anincredible job. I appreciate it. You are the grandmaster of the MMA media world as far as the wayyou do it. So all in fun. Same here. Yes, I couldn't agree more. But then we find out thatyou were leaving that venture and you were going to go back.
01:58:35Can you tell us when this idea started to percolate in your brain, coming back, doingthis?Because you hadn't done it, I believe, since 2018, right?It was 2018.It was the last time that I had referee.But it actually started percolating a year ago because Scott Coker asked me to come do his show.He says, hey, it would be great if you would come and you just do the main event and stuff.And I go, and I said, Scott, I would love to do it.
01:59:01It was on the same day that I had promised to do a small-time little talent show in the town that I was living in.And I had made a promise.And I said, I can't.He goes, I'll pay them off.And I said, I can't do it.But it kind of put it in there.And then I went and did the Craig Jones Invitational in Vegas.And I had a great time.
01:59:24And what really was Ariel, to be honest.I love being in the cage.That's great.but it's also it's being around the people that you enjoy being around being around those people having you know you know meals before the event meals after the event even the meetings that we do and stuff and it I miss those people I miss the clowns and that was really what eventually I said you know I'm not I'm bored I'm not not just not you know enjoying life the way I need to do it a lot of people I know came out and said oh he's doing it for money I'm like no I'm losing money doing itbut I absolutely know that I enjoy doing it.I've been back for, what, three, four shows now,and I've had a blast doing it, and it's been great.And my whole goal is to help the other referees
02:00:13that are younger referees get to that level,so they're able to take over the sport,because I'm not going to be here long,and take over the sport and know exactly what they have to doin given situations, help them become comfortable,will help them understand the little nuances that will get them through a situation or createmore of a problem. That's what I'm here for. Back in 2018, why did you decide to stop?That was a different scenario. I had a, I had a problem with my shoulder, I thought. And that was
02:00:45in 2017. And I had, they went, they did nerve things. And they said, no, it's your neck. And youneed, you have two discs. One's gone. And one's crushed. And we need to replace. We need to replacethose and so they they did that and i went right back to work i told him i said look i got six daysbefore i have a show and i'm not missing that show and they said well you can't i said well theni'm not going to do well they did it and then i thought i was fine and then all of a sudden and it wasmy fault i was uh i had a gym and i was teaching and i let someone hold me in a specific type ofchoke it was almost like a it's a darts but they were doing it like a japanese necktie whichthey're cranking my neck and I let it hold too long and I thought I was fine you know
02:01:29after the little session and then later that night I started out a problem I woke up the nextmorning and I was I was in trouble I mean I would I had a stinger going down my arm that justwouldn't stop and then it just got worse and I started atrophying and I started I got to thepoint I could not lift my arm I mean I couldn't lift it at all well and I was to the point I was likeI can't go out and officiate like this because I'm a danger to the fighters.I got it fixed, I thought, and then it came back.And that's when Scott Coker basically, you know, came to me and said,hey, have you ever thought about commentating?
02:02:07I want you to, you know, come and, you know, not apply, but do the...Rehears.The rehearsal.Not a rehearsal, like an audition.Audition, thank you very much.You see, you're better with words.And so, you know, I did.And they said, hey, we want to use you.
02:02:24And I was like, well, it's the perfect timing.It's not that I wanted to leave, but I was like, I don't want to go out and not be the person that can do things the way it's supposed to be done.And I had a problem, you know, and there's other, you know, there's fighters out there.You know, I got headaches every day.It was, it was bad for a long time.But eventually, you know, about, you know, somewhere in 20, 22, it started to go away.The surgeries, I had multiples to try to get rid of it.And eventually it worked where I was able to start to build strength back and able to become normal.
02:02:57And so at that point, I was like, well, I could go do it.And that's, you know, about a year later is when Coker kind of put it in my head.And I was like, hmm.And then finally I was like, yep, you know, life is about enjoying, you know, the time that you're on this earth and doing the things that are important to you with the people that you care about and love.And that was my decision.And it was not about finances.I love that part, but definitely, definitely all about who I got to spend my time with.On this side of the fence, we hear Big John's coming back to officiating, great, looking forward
02:03:30to seeing him at a big show, but from your perspective, what do you have to do to get backin the mix?Do you have to apply in every state?Like, what is the process to now, you don't have to tell anyone about your credentials andtake any tests, I would imagine.Oh, you do?I would be shocked, but like, what is the process to actually get you to be allowed to ref eventsin all these different states?
02:03:51Yeah, well, the first thing you have to do is you're going to have to go through themedicals.You have to go to the state.They're going to have to send you their forms.And then you've got to be able to fill those forms out.A lot of them want letters of reference.You want a letter of reference about you?You are the letter of reference.
02:04:09Absolutely.I've written enough letters of reference for other people, but yeah.So I had to get letters of reference.I have to do the medicals.I have to pass those medicals.I have to do the eye exams.I have to do all that.and then they decide if they're going to license you.
02:04:22And so, you know, that's, I'm not here to do the big shows.I'm not worried about that.I'm not doing this because, you know, I need to do a big show.I'm doing it because I get to work around the people, you know,in the Nevada State Athletic Commission that I really care about,the California State Athletic Commission,that, you know, I've been part of bringing a lot of them on,and now I get to see them again.
02:04:43That's honestly what is bringing me, you know, the joy in life.And so that's what it's about.But yeah, I have to go through all of that.It's no different for me.New York.I think I made it a little bit easier getting past maybe, maybe a little bit.From what I read, New York, Nevada, California, Connecticut, you're good to go in those states, right?I believe so.
02:05:06New York, I missed a signature for the doctor, so I haven't gotten completely.Okay.The doctor's got to sign one one signature, so that one might be coming.Okay.And you made your return reality fighting in early October, right?Yes, sir.What was that like for you?Were you nervous?
02:05:24Were you anxious?How did you feel before all of that enduring?I'm being honest, it was, you know, I was, I thought, well, I wonder if I'll get nervous.Because, you know, I never, after all the repetitions, the fights, you know, I would tell, you know, other people in athletic commissions,careful when you're putting a newer referee in as far as how far you're putting them in and how many fights,because they do get nervous and the heart rate goes up and so i thought well we'll see and itdidn't it was it felt like i walked back into my home it was uh i had a had a strange knockout thatnight i'll say that but it was it was a blast i had a good time and i was like well it's like
02:06:05right on a bike you know you can do it and then i went went to las vegas after that and you knowthe executive director there's jeff mullen and matt valenswellis his assistant and they goyou haven't lost a step and i go i've lost stepthere's no doubt about it's going to take a little bit of time to get back up to that level I don't think that I'm coming back you know in any way as good as other people but it's a matter of I think I know what I'm doing I think I can help in bringing some of the younger guys up when you talk about the strange knock at are you referring to like the the patented McCarthy tackle like that you had to dust that one off yeah kind of but it was you didn't miss a you didn't miss a beat I felt bad about it I really did was it this oneIt was this one.Look, check out this elbow is weird, and that he takes two steps, and then he goes down.Yeah.Comes down after him, and it was like, oh, you know, and I'm, you know, based upon him taking
02:06:56the step when he does, I didn't start going towards him, and that made me slow.And so, yeah, I felt bad.I'm on top of him.I said, hey, I apologize, man.I didn't mean to, you know, hit you like that, but you weren't stopping.And so that was it.You got it.And as far as what you're able to officiate, it's not just MMA, right?
02:07:16I do believe you have some BKFC, some bare-knuckle kickboxing, so this would be any combat sport.Boxing as well, right?Boxing as well.I used to do boxing all the time in California and used to judge in Nevada and stuff like that.But, yeah, I have a BKFC this Saturday in California and stuff, so I'm looking forward to that.I love the sport.I think it's a blast.I help with a couple things in it, so I can't wait to be...
02:07:41Wow, wow, wow.They're watching it because it's fast, it's violent, but it's fun.Will you judge as well?yes sir okay your son is a judge too right my son is you know i i take more pride in the way my sonhandles himself and i have more people who uh contact me and say man i met your son i work with you dudehe is so good he's so nice he's this and then i said yes he's a much better person than meand i'm proud of him for it and he is and so it's one of the things is like you know youwhen someone all of a sudden starts going to compliment you on the way you raise your son
02:08:14and the way he acts is going to make you feel better than anything.I completely understand what you're talking about.What about refereeing?Does he do that as well?He does not.He decided long ago.You know, and that's when I first, you know, and I'm going to be honest,I was harder on my son than anybody.
02:08:33I was, you know, I have taught all the, you know, most of the top people that are out thereright now, you know, and I was super hard on him.I didn't help him while I helped others to get into.athletic commissions and everything like that I made him do it all on his own and he's done a phenomenaljob and at this point you know you can go and look at the you know fights that people look at that yougo there's a split decision there he's usually that person that's if it's a split he's the oneyou know it's on the right side of the split and the ones that are not you know they're so closein the fights and it's hard for people to understand that the judge where they're sitting they're going
02:09:13to see a specific fight where the judge on the other side might see something different basedupon what they see land, the referee being in the way, all these things. So there's a reason wehave, you know, the three placements of the judge. But I will say that, you know, my son is doingan incredible job in a very difficult job. It's, it is not what people think. The part, you know,that it really bothers me with people is they think, you know, the judges don't care. The judgescare more than people have any concept of. They constantly are on phone text and Zoom calls togetherthat are not set up by any commission. They're set up by these judges to talk about specificfights, to talk about why it's a 10-9 or a 10-8. And to do all these things, they talk. As soon as
02:09:58the fight is over, you're going to see the judges huddled together and talk about their scores andwhy. And they care about, you know, getting it right. And that's the way it's supposed to be.I recognize that this is a tough question.You're talking about like getting back out there and these are your friends and these arepeople that you helped, you know, become the officials, the referees, the judges that they'vebecome today.But, you know, as you know, it's been a hot topic as of late.There's been several instances where, you know, we sit here and we're critical.
02:10:26And I always say it's the toughest job in all of sports being an MMA referee because it'ssplit-second decisions.It's very subjective, this, then, and the other.You don't need to explain.But could I ask you?your assessment, the state ofMMA refereeing. Let's start with refereeing.The state of MMA refereeing.
02:10:44How do you feel like it stands right now?Do you think we're in a good place or do you thinkthere's improvements to be made?There's always improvements to be made.Let's be honest.If you sit on your laurels and you say, oh, we're good.You're not going to improve.Improvement in anything.
02:10:57Provening in the fighters, improvement in the trainers,improvement in the officials.That's what leads to the sport reaching that next level.So there's always improvements to be made.and you know I think in part we're trying to make some of those improvements we're doing them sometimes through rule changes we're doing them through mechanics changes as far as when a referee is going to do something how they're going to do it what they're going to perform how it's going to be you know adjudicated all those things are important but if you you know let's be honest if you go back and you look at early MMA it's atrocious I was atrocious you can look at you know what they'll call the pioneer staging which was you knowA little bit later, like into the UFC 20s, still bad,built horrible judging.And it's gotten so much better.
02:11:44The people now, you know, are truly professional as far as how they're doing it,why they're doing certain things.People on, you know, their fans may not understand it.And that's, you know, sometimes you have criteria that you have to go through.You know, sometimes it's, you know, I don't agree with something someone does,but what they're doing is allowable.It's just that I would choose a different course,while they're choosing a different course than I would choose,
02:12:08and they have that, you know, right.But I think we all as officials need to come togetherand become more, not only proficient,but more together in the way we decidewhen we're going to call, you know, warningsand when we're going to take points.Fighters are smart, you know,and I try to say it all the time,
02:12:30you know, fighters take advantage of things that they can take advantage of.That's their job, you know.I don't blame them.But our job is to make sure that they don't get that advantage.And sometimes we're doing a good job of that.Sometimes we're not.And so we need to always be looking at how do we adjudicate this so it's the fairest for what's best for the sport, what's best for the fighters, what's best for the fans, and then what's best for the promotion.Two things in particular that I've been vocal about recently is that I feel like there are too many warnings, that the warning should be in the back.
02:13:02and if you, you know, inflict some kind of a foul on your opponent, whether it's an eye poke, a low blow,even if you grab onto the cage, if you do something that is deemed illegal, that you should be penalizedbecause if you're not, what is, you know, what is going to stop you from trying to do it againand again, you're going to gain an advantage? You'll get a stern warning. You'll get even a secondstern warning. There was a fight between Kevin Holland and Mike Malott. Multiple low blows,nothing happened and clearly, you know, Holland was compromised. There's that issue and then the issue ofintentional, unintentional.This idea that it's unintentional, so we're not going to penalize when I think that most
02:13:37of the fouls aren't intentional in that they're not trying to harm their opponent to thepoint where the fight is called off, but still, like, you, you poked your fingers in someoneeye, you hit them below the belt.Like, I always make the comparison to regular sports, like when a football player grabsa face mask, maybe he didn't mean to do that, but he's still going to get penalized.No one's going to sit around and say, did he mean to do that or not?And so what do you make of those two criticisms?and is there any wiggle room there in terms of improving it so that they're you know this isn't
02:14:04happening as often as it seems to be happening these days yeah i think you're right in the fact thatuh as a whole officials have you know we've warned to the point of nauseam uh on certain thingswhen uh we need to actually take an action but the problem with it is this it's the same as whatyou just said about you know football and hey you didn't mean to grab the face mask but you didthere's a huge differenceand this is part of the problem withour sport as far as the officiatingand the point system
02:14:35you've got to figure that mostfights are close fights will sayso they end up if it's going to go to a judge'sdecision it's a 2928you know we do get 3027sobviously but29 28 is what you hear all the timeas far as the judge's score cards because there's a one
02:14:51point difference three roundsone guy wins two roundsone wins you know oneAnd when I take a point from one fighter, it's not like grabbing a face mask.The grabbing the face mask is when you see a referee, stop the action, give a hard warning, and take someone out of a position, that's the face mask.That's the 15-yard penalty because you can have a face mask that's 15 yards or you can have one that's five yards based upon, oh, it was you didn't grab it, but your hand went on it and stuff like that.it was unintentional, we'll give a five-yard.So when you look at taking a point in MMA,
02:15:30that is the same, if you're going to look at the NFL,and say that the quarterback drops back to pass.He's on the 10-yard line.He drops back into his end zone.He throws an 85-yard bomb down the field.And there's pass interference called at the five-yard line,and they take the ball and move it from one five-yard lineor one-tend yard line to the five-yard line.
02:15:53That's a point.in MMA. That's the significance of a point in MMA. So it's not the same as, oh, we have holding or we have off sides. Those are little things that we don't really get to utilize that much except for giving that hard warning or changing the position, taking someone out of an advantageous position based upon then creating a foul. I'm not going to take the point. I'm going to penalize you by taking you out of the position. That's as close as we can get to that. And so the taking of the point hasalways been something that we try to stay away from because we don't want to influence who winsthe fight. We want the fighters to come down to that. But it's come to the point where, you know,we look and say as a community, you know, we need to start saying, okay, the fighters have gottento the point where they have a behavior in certain things. They do things based upon the behavior.They've been allowed to do these things and there's been no negative repercussions. Do we want tostart tightening up those negative repercussions and do we want to start making it to where
02:16:59we're not going to give you just warnings we're going to give you fouls you know there's ones likeyou talked about with kevin holland you know i'm being honest when i say if i was roughing thatfight kevin holland and milot would have definitely gotten a point taken at least based uponi have to even this out you know kevin holland has been fouled not only once he got you knowhit with a low blow and then immediately he gets another one and that one's really reallybad. And so you've got to say, Mike Molot has gained an advantage in the fight through a foul.I can't have that happen. So I've got to try to level the playing field here by taking a pointto say, okay, yeah, you gain an advantage. You're feeling better than Kevin Holland. But I'm going to
02:17:42take the point to at least say, well, that means you better win this round or you're going to loseat 10-8. And I've got to put you in that position. I don't want to, but I'm going to, based upon howbad Kevin Holland is as far as the effect that it's everything in the fouls is intent and theeffect. So when you sit there and you say, I'm going to take a point for any eye poker, any touchof the fence or anything like that, you're not going to like the results. It's going to bedetrimental to the sport. But when you categorize it to, okay, what was the intent and what wasthe effect? So if I have someone who reaches their hand out towards the fence and they kind of grab itto stop the takedown. But boom, the takedown happens. The intent was to stop the takedown.
02:18:25The effect was it didn't happen. You ended up where you were supposed to end up. I'm not goingto take a point. I'm going to warn you. If you stop the takedown, no doubt you stop the takedown,I'm telling you right now. In the back, I've told the fighter, you stop the takedown. I'm going to take apoint from you. There will be no warning. The warning is right now. And a big part of what we needto do is those backroom conversations we need to make sure the fighters know exactly hey i will be doingthis and then when you say i will be doing it don't bluff follow through with what you sayit's it's such great insight it's such a it's such a privilege to be able to pick your brain on thisstuff um there's not much to pick you know because it's such a it's such a hot topic right now
02:19:08and it always has been a hot topic for as long as i've been covering the sport and there it feelslike it goes through waves where it's like, oh my God, every week. We had this Waldo CortezAcosta versus Anti-Delia fight in Nevada, and Delia's team has since reached out and told usthat they're filing an appeal. Was that handled the right way, in your opinion, the restart andthe way the I poke was handled with the team in the cage, or should that have been donedifferently in your opinion? I'm going to be honest, I thought, you know, in some ways thingswere right and there was things that were wrong. You know, let's be honest, Ariel, how manytimes have you seen, how many fights have you watched, okay? So how many times have you seen,
02:19:42a fight end and the stool comes in or how many times have you seen a stool come in between rounds for a fighterbut name me the time that you've ever seen a stool come in other than those two circumstances never so we had a foulwe had a fighter sitting on a stool we had a cut man working with him we had a doctor working with himwe had water being given to them there was things that were done that you look and you go there wasnot enough control someone was not doing things in the fashion that isallowed and so that part was bad. The worst part was look at Delia did poke him in the eye and hedid it offensively. That's rare. When you take a look at, you know, most of our eye pokes are done ina defensive fashion, meaning I start to come forward. My opponent sticks their hand out to
02:20:31regulate distance on me and sticks their hands up towards my face as I'm coming forward and I runinto those extended fingers and we have the eye poke. That's a defensive eye poke. In thiscase, it was Delia coming forward and throws his hand out with his hand open. That's on youand that should have been a point taken for that. Right away, that's a different type of I poke.And you need to be able to look at it and justify the difference between the two so you knowwhich direction you should be going. So if you are going to restart the fight, I'm going to behonest, Delia should have had a point taken off of his scorecard based upon that was not only anipok. It's an offensive one. You created it. And so,
02:21:12there was some things that I would look at and say, could we get better? Yes. You know, were therethings done that were good? Yes. But, you know, the replay official in that was a big partof, you know, getting things right. And that's a, that's something that we've done in tryingto, you know, be better and get the right call. And it's a great addition. It's something that weneed everywhere. One more if I can specifically, and you're navigating this very well, becauseI understand these are your friends and colleagues. So I don't want to put you in a position whereyou're openly criticizing them, it's a very tough spot, and I recognize that. We saw a situationwith Matt Favola and Kyle Nelson, where to me it seemed like the fight was stopped with three
02:21:49seconds left, and then it continued. And it reminds me a little bit of the Antedelia fight,because I do believe, we also saw it with Neil Magny and Jake Matthews, like there is an adrenalinedump when you think the fight is over, and then you're being told, no, you have to keep going.And so when you see things like that, and then we've also seen some other times where it goes pastthe horn, where the fight continues.the round has already stopped and there's still more damage being inflicted.What is your assessment of what's going on there?Well, I can tell you this.
02:22:17And sometimes it's hard to understand when you're on the outside of the cage.But, you know, the referee inside the cage, you know, Ariel, he hears things and he sees things.Nobody else does.And when I say, here's, you know, a lot of times people go, oh, you know, you'll have a low blow.And people will, all that didn't hit him in those.And you can hear it when you're the referee.It makes a specific sound.So you know that the cup was hit, but people will get upset that, you know, you stopped it because they didn't see it.
02:22:48They say, no, it actually hit him here.And it's like you could hear it, stop.So there's things that the referee sees and they hear that help them with, you know, the information they need.When you're looking at the horn that was really the problem for both the Jake Matthews fight, if you're going to say it that way,and then the Kyle Nelson fight,you know, I can tell you I've seen many refereesthink they heard the bell and when there was no bell.Now, the real question is, you know,
02:23:19you've got to know that sound, the horn,but I can tell you, going all the way back to, like, UFC 47,I had Chuck Liddell and Tito Ortiz.They're fighting for the first time.And near the end of the first round,you know, Chuck goes and he opens up going after Tito,and he's putting damage on Tito.And Tito's trying to, you know, hang in there.
02:23:38And I heard the 10-second clacker.And at that time, I would never do anything to motion or anything like that.But, you know, I'm counting down in my head, and I get to 1,0, 1, and I didn't hear anything.So I stopped the action of the fight.And Tito actually thought I stopped the fight on him.He's like, no, John, yeah.I said, that's the end of the round.Because he didn't hear the horn.
02:24:01I didn't hear the horn.I don't know.Chuck, obviously, I don't think heard the horn.because it was so loud in that arena at that momentbecause the fans were going crazy.You just couldn't hear it.So I came up with, actually,if you're looking at all the referees now,
02:24:15they kind of point in a direction towards the timekeeperat that 10 second.Just to notify the timekeeper, I heard it.So we have at least an accountingthat the referee knows that there's only 10 seconds left in the round.And those are the types of things that happen.The Kyle Nelson one, I know Dan said he heard a horn.I'm he didn't hear a horn but he heard something that he thought was the horn and sometimes you know you hear things that are just different it was a mistake i'm just going to you know flatly say he made a mistake as far as that was not the end of the round did that cost kyle nelson well fortunately not overall but yeah he had to fight two more rounds of a fight that you look at and you go how much damage did he take in those two rounds that he would not have taken if that
02:25:03fight possibly would have been stopped you know if the three seconds that were left were allowed to gohow many more shots would have landed what would one of those have put mat frivola out we don't knowbut there was a mistake and you have to be honest about the mistake and when you make the mistakelike i said you have to be honest you have to say i made a mistake this is how i made the mistakethis is how i'm going to fix it from now on and you got to move on and the fans are never going tolike it but you got to be honest you know we're all human and we're going to makemistakes. You try not to. And when you do make them, like I said, be honest about it and figure outhow do I make it so that doesn't happen again. I have great respect for you for Andy Foster because
02:25:42you've always come out and done interviews and explain things when the going was tough and when thegoing was good. And I have always felt, especially after these events, you know, I don't expectthe referee to hold a press conference, but there is something in other sports where you have a poolreporter and one reporter will go talk to the referee. They'll issue a statement. You'll get somesort of Q&A and an understanding as to what they were thinking in these moments. And I thinkit would be very beneficial for us, for the fighters, for the public. Would you like to say, I wouldlove to see this happen where after a fight like that, we can then go and see, okay, this is whatDan was thinking. Just like the NBA issues something, this is what the referee was thinking
02:26:17during a controversial moment. Should we have more transparency when it comes to the officials?I've always believed yes. I do believe. I believe the reporters deserve that so they can reportthe right information. I believe the fans deserve it so they can understand because sometimeswhen we, you know, things will happen and, you know, we're told as, you know, officials, you know,I don't want you talking about that. Okay. But we didn't do anything wrong. People need to know whatreally occurred. And it's like, no, we're not going to talk about. Just let it go. It's, you know,we understand, we're good. And you're, you're sitting there and I always say, you know, you're goingto be the, you know, the flavor of the month somewhere along the way. And people are going to be mad at you
02:26:58because they think you did something wrongeven when you didn't.And just suck it up.And, you know, if you did do something wrong,then suck it up from that.There will be another fight, another show, you know,in the next week or week after that.And someone else will do something
02:27:13so you become, you're no longer the flavor of the moment.But we do, I believe that, you know,we should have certain people that are allowed to talk based upon.They can communicate and not say somethingthat's going to harmthe promotion not harmed the commission and give people insight into look at this is what i was lookingat and this is why you know there's many times people fight you know fighters are smart and they'resmart about fighting and many times people will look and say well you were letting him get fouled
02:27:45and you can look and say yes i know that that foul occurred but i looked at how much effect it hadon him he was winning the fight and it had zero effect he didn't stop what he was doingAnd I truly believe his opponent was looking at me to stop it.In fact, did that kind of, you know, trying to get me to stop it so he could get a moment to get away from his opponent.So you could get a moment to, if I put it back in the same position, they want to try to change that just a little bit.So now I can hopefully get out because I'm stuck where I'm at.There's all kinds of ways that, you know, fighters do things.When it comes to fighting, they're brilliant.
02:28:24and they, you know, they will absolutely, you know, skirt the rule right to the edge of that envelopeif they can so they can, it'll work for them, you know, and their PhDs when it comes to thisand you've got to be able to look at the times when I need to stop the action and look at thetimes when, yes, I see that, but I'm not going to stop it based upon the things that I knowthat are occurring right now. One more, and then we'll let you go in again. Thank you very much forthis. Recently, you were, you were public in your support of the Muhammad Ali Revival Act.I just saw a report here from a reporter named Sadiq Ahmed, who said the ColoradoCombative Sports Commission has voted to oppose the Muhammad Ali American Boxing Revival Act.
02:29:10There were no votes in support. I recall not that long ago, the California State AthleticCommission hearing in which they received six to nothing votes in support of it, and youwere on the call and you were very much in support. Can you explain to us why you feel like thiswould be good for the fighters and why you feel like this is something that, you know, is even worthyof your time when I know that specifically you don't only focus on MMA, you do, you know,work in boxing as well, but you are primarily viewed as an MMA official, I would say,like famously, why was this something that was important for you to voice your opinion on?Well, one of the things I want to bring up is, and even you had said that,
02:29:50you know, I came out saying that, you know, people had a financial interest.What I was talking about was, I didn't.And that I thought, and I thought, and I was wrong, I thought that you would get some of the peoplewithin the sanctioning organizations being on that call and making, you know, statements aboutit, which really was more MMA people than anybody.But the real reason that I look at this revival act, first off, I love when a fighter has options,and there's not one boxer that has to do this.They can all stay within the exact framework that they fight right now.
02:30:28They can stay with the sanctioning bodies.They can stay with those organizations.They don't have to change anything.The Alley Act stays the same for them.Nothing changes.So is it better for a fighter to have options or no options?I always look and say options are great.I would rather see you have options in that.
02:30:48The UBO has to do things that the sanctioning bodies don't.They have to provide medical insurance for those fighters.They have to provide the medical payment for those fighters.They have to provide a training experience as far as a place that these people can go for training and physical therapy that is there for the fighters under contract.That, look, that can be thousands and thousands of dollars.I look at this and I know, and I had several people, Matt Brown, being on,He was mad at me, but we got on a call and we talked about it.And, you know, there was one part that I looked at.
02:31:23He was looking at it saying, John, you know, if this happens, then MMA will never have an alley act.And I go, look, I'm not even equating this with MMA.I never thought about it in that form.I'm looking at what is best for boxers.And right now, boxing has lost HBO, Showtime.They've lost Fox.They've lost ESPN.So where is boxing being seen?
02:31:47right now the zone that's it and that's limited and so all of these avenues for boxing are you know you can you can take a look and say are they growing are they getting smaller they're getting smaller and no matter what anyone wants to say there are people in boxing as far as the top guys they make a ton of money they're getting paid and you know i wouldn't i would never go to a ubO if i was one of those guys but there are mid-level fighters aerial out there that trust me willmake way more money under the UBO system and be financially better off than they ever arewith the sanctioning bodies, because people don't realize what the sanctioning bodies do.The sanctioning bodies charge the fighters.They charge them for sanctioning those championship fights.They charge them for getting rankings.They charge them for the belt that they put around their waist.And so you're looking and saying, well, what's that?
02:32:43Well, you know, if you take a guy that's up there that's a good fighter,You know, I'm not going to name names, but I'll give you a, for instance, there's, you know, a fighter that just did a fight, you know, and he had a million dollar purse.Well, right away, $200 and some thousand dollars were taken out of that million dollars for sanctioning fees for him to be able to fight for those titles.He also had to pay for each belt.Each one of those belts, he was paid five, you know, he had to pay $5,000.Do you think the belts worth $5,000?It's not.But he has to pay for them to have the belt for him.
02:33:15he then you know even before that you get these the sanctionings will sit there and say I have a fighter who's eight no and I want to get him up into the rankings they say hey no problem you know what we're going to create the the southern Caribbean you know championship and you're going to pay me $10,000 to you know get that fight done and that's going to help him move to this section and to help get a ranking and then you're going to you're going to from the South Caribbean we're going to go to the North Caribbean and then from the North Caribbean we go to the West Caribbean and each timetime I'm going to be paying 10 to 15. So after I pay a hundred and some thousand dollars to getthis fighter ranked to that position now that he's ranked within one of those sanctioning bodies,now we can hopefully try to make some more money, but I have to put how much money out. Well,that doesn't happen with the UBO. I'm not saying the UBO is going to be perfect for anyone,but it's an option. You don't have to do it. If you had to do it, I would say no, but you don'thave to do it. And in the end, there's going to be fighter.right now that are working normal jobs and able to not support their families, if they're
02:34:23not, that will be able to get rid of that normal job, put all their time into training,and live a decent living based upon the money that is out there available for them under thatUBO and the medical things that it provides.We can debate this, but I feel like you've laid it out.Very. I mean, I'm not, I'm not really against it. I like that there's options. I do wonder if at some point there won't be any options. And of course, when you see TKO being so aggressive in terms of supporting this, you do wonder what the motivation is, right? You do wonder. I don't wonder what the motivation. And neither do you.Yes. And look, do they have a foot up on everybody? Absolutely. They do. There's not a doubt in my mind because let's be honest. Look at who they.are and look at what they know as far as promoting fights. But what's the, when you, when you lookat it, you know, you got to say, does everyone else have the same opportunity under this? Yes,
02:35:28they have that same opportunity to do it. Do they have to put money towards it? Yes. But the one thingthat these guys have to do is they have to market fighters. And by marketing the fighters, what are youdoing? You're putting money into growing that person, growing their platform, growing,their name and making stars because if you don't make stars you're not going to be successful so yeahthey do have a leg up i'm not saying they don't but anybody else that wants to get into combat sportsspecifically boxing at this time this is your chance this is your time to say okay i'm going to do thatand you know be in competition with them you know i'm not saying you know that i'm not saying in thethat all of this is going to work, but I do know that a fighter having the option of being able
02:36:17to do this under the UBO or stay with the sanctioning bodies is better than just saying I'mgoing to have to just stay with sanctioning bodies. The option is always better for the fighter,and that's what I was looking at. Thank you so much, John. Welcome back. Great to talk to you again.Really, really nice to have you back in the mix here. And hopefully you could come on when there'sother things to talk about. It's great to have your insight and just tap into your knowledge. So reallyappreciate it. I appreciate your time,Carol, thanks for having me on. There he is. The legendary,Big John McCarthy, the greatest MMA referee
02:36:47of all time and obviouslydoing great work in othercombat sports. That's a majorcoup for us to have him back in the mix,major coup for the fighters as well, and for hiswillingness to come on. I'm very,very appreciative, andhopefully we can do more of that stuff because I just
02:37:03think, you know, the smarter we getfrom people like him who literally wrote the rules,the better we all are, fighters,fans, media, etc. All right,wanted to have my old friend the warlock, Kung Fu Panda himself on the program. Why? Becausethere's a massive fight happening in London. There are big fights consistently happening over in theUK, not so much here as far as boxing is concerned, not so much here in America, but over thereit's as hot as can be. He's on talk sport. He's on the Daily Telegraph. They're covering boxing
02:37:30over there like we cover the NBA over here. It's the second biggest sport in the country,in the region, behind football. And as fate would have it, there's a pretty big newsstory that just broke regarding one of their own and arguably the most famous boxer comingout of the UK right now. And so let's go over to London. I believe he's at the open workoutsstanding by as our correspondent, the one and only my old friend, Gareth A. Davies, is hethere? There he is. I could kiss you if you were in front of me, Gareth. How are you?I'm very well, Ariel Helwani. It's lovely to be on your uncrowned show. It's theAriel Helwani show. It looks the same as it always did.
02:38:11very messy desk you have there don't you um and you look fantastic sir thank you wow it's sonice to hear from you thank you for the compliments and a bit of an insult as well you look fantastici see you all the time you're such a big you're you're more popular than ever dare i saywell hopefully i'm more popular than you are here because you can tell that never never nevernever why do you open the door for this why do you open the door i was i was trying to let it goyou always opened the door what a time it was look i'll put my hands in the air you're morefamous in the UK than I am, wherever we are, whether it be a gas station, up the freeway,here in Canary Wharf. You'd be mobbed right now while I'd be sitting here writing the Anthony
02:38:53Joshua story. Okay, so can we talk about that? No dilly-dallying. There's a news story that justcame out, courtesy of the ring and Mike Coppinger, that Anthony Joshua and Jake Paul are in deepdiscussions to have a fight in December. There's the graphic right over there. You know Anthonyvery well. You're the man when it comes to all things UK boxing and boxing.boxing in particular, your reaction to this, and what are you hearing as far as how closethis is to being finalized?I'm a little shocked, Ariel, as anyone in boxing would be, that Anthony Joshua, two-timeheavyweight champion in the world, who's been in training camp with Alexander Usik recently
02:39:28we've learned, who wants a trilogy fight with Alexander Usik, who's being prepared behindthe scenes for a fight with Tyson Fury, hopefully that would bookend an amazing era of heavyweightsin the UK. I'm really shocked that he would take a fight with Jake Paul. On the other hand,if he's earning 50 million to go to Netflix and leave the zone for a fight, I understandthe cradle of money that these guys earn is extraordinary at this stage in their careers,and he probably wouldn't say no to it. On another level, I don't think it should be sanctioned.As you know yourself, Florida is very lenient commission if it is going to take place in Miami inDecember. I have
02:40:10heard from EddieHearn. Someone might impersonatehim here. Someonemight even impersonate him. Justbear with me one second. Okay.Eddie Hearn.Eddie Hearn's here.Eddie's here? The actual Edward Hearn?
02:40:26Eddie Hearn's here. Eddie Hearn's here.You put me under so much pressure.Is A.J. and Jake Paulgoing to happen, Eddie?Well, it's a fight that AJneeds. It's a massive fight. I think JvanteDavis for moving up toGiovante Davis, to Antony Joshua.
02:40:42I don't like Jay Paul, but you've got to givehim credit. Amazing. Fantastic.There he is. What about Tyson Fury?Al-Feran, of course. Al-Foran, Al-Foran, Al-Foran.A quick answer for Ariel.Can we really see this fight happening?Well, I'll tell you what. I'll do thisTyson Fury. I can see Jake Paul beating Anthony
02:41:05Joshua, and I'm going to put money on him. I put a million pounds onit. My dad can too.100% and it will happen.And I'll tell you what, AJ, if you want me,we're going to make it happen.Get up.What do you think Chris Eubank thinks about it?I mean,
02:41:20do we look at it assome sort oftune, you know, a tune-up fightfor AJ? The fact that it'sso, you know, it'svery short notice with regardswith being next month. But why are wenot talking about the fight on Saturday?
02:41:35Well, we will in a minute.My favorite one.My favorite one is Katie Taylor.Ask him what Katie thinks about.When did Katie Taylor think of it?You know, listen, it is what it is.You have to give the props to Jake Paul.You really do because, you know, he's making it.
02:41:51This is a massive step up for him.You know, a lot of people were, you know,criticizing him for fighting Tramonte Davis.Because, you know, he's got 60 pounds later than him.Now he's fine a fellow 60 pounds everywhere than him.So fair play, too.But if it does take place in Miami in December,do you think Donald Trump there,
02:42:07what do you think he thinks about it's it's not too far from maralaga i think it's a great fight i thinkyou know jake paul he's doing it what you know you can say whatever you want about jake paulhe's doing great things for for boxing he put on a great show in madison's square garden inin july with katie taylor and serrano that was a great show wasn't it could you do arielharold hoarie as well what does he think about it there he is oh there he is hale yeah right rightright go and get me a tequila my face is hurting my face is hurting my face is hurtingTell him my face is hurting.Going to you.
02:42:40Two Gareth A. Davies here in London.He's going to tell you how bad that impression was when I leave.Yeah, Al-Fran, go and get me a tequila.I'll meet you around the corner in a minute.Oh, my God.What a look.The brilliant.Amazing.
02:42:56Cheers, brother.Well done.I'll see you in a minute.My face hurts.Okay.Yeah, he is brilliant.He's unbelievable.Prolific.
02:43:03Back, as are you.Back to the original answer.Why do you feel surprised?I think you said you're shocked.Why shocked that AJ would do this?Because it really damages his legacy as a two-time heavyweight champion in the world.If he really is taking a run at big fights again, as I say, the fight with Tyson Fury.I know they're talking about it behind the scenes, Ariel.
02:43:26I know that Saudis are involved in it as well.I know they're talking about a big Wembley Stadium fight next year.Eddie Hearns has been talking about a tune-up for Anthony Joshua,but this isn't a tune-up.But even over and above that,I just don't believe Jake Paul,who you mentioned how big boxing is in the UK.He wouldn't even win what we call an area title here in the UK.
02:43:48There's guys better than him at Cruiserweight.I think it's a dangerous thing to be setting.It's a dangerous precedent to be settingto allow a very dangerous, modern, powerful, punching heavyweight,a knockout artist,in against a guy who was really a novice in sports.It was different when he thought Mike Thomas.and it was an exhibition.
02:44:08They will probably call this an exhibition if it goes ahead.I've got a statement, not a statement,but I did get hold of Eddie Hearn just to finish the round on that.As you said, I have got my ear to the ground on this.I asked Eddie about the Coppinger tweet,and he's saying nothing close yetthat he and Nikisa have spoken,but his view is that I don't imagine Jake is crazy enough to do that.
02:44:33I think Jake is crazy enough to do it,but I don't think it should be sanctioned, is my view, my professional view on it.Okay, can I just ask, you know, you say that it would damage AJ's legacy if, in fact, it does happen.But, you know, the likes of Muhammad Ali had an exhibition against Antonio.Is someone else coming? Who's here now? Who do we have now?The Jedi, Floyd, is here now as well.Wow, we've got, it's just like a who's who of people. Hello.You know, they can't hear.
02:44:57Shane Mosley, you're up against.No, no, I bait, Shane, Moise. I'll bait DeGale. Now you're fighting Billy D'Asoornis.Oh, Gail. Now you're fighting Billy D'Oisornis.I've got all the new.stories. Yeah, look at this. On the scene. We appreciate it.It's Ariel. You know Ariel. Have you been on his show?Well, hello. You know this fella. This is a guy that this is a guy that when the bellrings, he doesn't know when to stop. You just keep fighting, don't you? You don't believe
02:45:23in the pause between rounds. I was just out last while with a guy. I was gettingeye gouged, so I was just sort of, yeah, I was reacting. And he was incredibly smart.Obviously, he's been around a long time. And I reacted and I kept getting pinched likenormally do. I know I'm acting as youragent almost over here at the momentbecause everyone's coming out of theout of the workouts. He looks like a youngDan Hardy. He looks like Dan Hardy. He looks like Dan Hardy. He looks
02:45:44like a young Dan Hardy. He does indeed.Yeah. Yeah. You do, yeah.Circa 2010.Circa 2010. Now, I think he's got a bit of a betterMohawk than Dan had, isn't he? Yeah, well, all right.I can't get rid of it. I can't get rid of anything. I still wearSylvie boxes from 25 years ago. Right, you've hadyour minute of fame. Go on. I'll catch you around the corner.
02:46:03No, me to see you, mate.Bye-bye.I just wanted to get you on the Halvarni show, quick.I'll see you in a minute.Cheers.So, Gareth.He's giving me dirty looks nowbecause I've thrown him out of the show.
02:46:13Don't hurt me, Matt.Gareth, Muhammad Ali once fought Antonio Anoki in his prime.George Foreman once fought three men on the same night in Toronto after the...Five men, excuse me, yeah.So great boxers have done, you know, side quest, as they say.Why would this damage his legacy?I just think a lot of people here would look down on him doing this fight,and I think that's the way the fans have reacted.
02:46:43He has a hard time with the fans, Anthony Joshua.Half the people love him.Half the people are critical of him.I think he's an amazing character.I just don't think it's the tune-up fight for Tyson-Frey for Tyson Fury,and I do think it would damage his legacy in some ways that he's acquiesced to fighting Jake Paul.Listen, I'm a big fan of Jake Paul and what he's done, creating this different kind of highway, if you like, for influence of the boxes.And he's the guy that's taking it the furthest.
02:47:13But I'd like to see him against a KSI or someone like that.That's the really big fight in my view.Okay, fair enough.Let's talk about this weekend a fight that we know is happening.Our feeling here, Gareth, you know, our old friend New York Rick, Eric Jackman, who you've known for so many years, said leading up to the first fight,It was his most anticipated fight of the year.We were all buzzing for it.From our POV, state side, it doesn't feel as big.
02:47:40And I wonder, A, how it's feeling over there, and B, do you think if it doesn't feel as bigif it's because they went back to the well too soon?If it's too soon from April, the first fight, that was so great.Well, to put some historicity on it, the fathers who fought in 1990 and 1993, which is thewhole reason this is taking place.It's a kind of, it's a dynastic legacy fight between two families.The names of Ben and Eubank are iconic in British boxing.And even in British sports, I would say, not just boxing the two fights they had in 1990,
02:48:15in 1993.And the fathers, as you know, are very involved with their sons still.iconic moments in British sporting history.For me, the fathers had, Chris Eubank had 11 world title fights between senior.between the fights one and two in 1990-93.Nigel Ben had 10 fights, four world title fights between them.They've had to revisit again because, as you know,our great friend, Turkey Al-Lshake, has put 20-odd million up
02:48:45for these guys to fight again around about 20 million.So they're taking it while the opportunity's thereuntil or before Chris Eubank retiresand maybe before Conor Ben sails back downto the welterweight or maybe one 54 pound division to try and win a world title they're takingit because the opportunities there a surprise fight yes blood is thicker than water so it's a familyfeud um ongoing family feud in a sense but it was very exciting first time around it felt likethe perfect storm at the time i said afterwards it's definitely a fight of the year contender it was
02:49:25won and done we saw everything we needed to see from the egg smashing in thephase to the drama about him being a drugs cheat, to the extended time that it took betweenthe postponed fight two and a half years and the actual thing taking place, and it moving froman arena to a stadium, the drama of Eubank Senior reuniting with his son on a dramaticWWE moment just before his ring walk on the night.It's almost a lot, and then the fight itself, which absolutely delivered 12 rounds of beautifulbrutality, a toe-to-to-to-war.Whether they can replicate that, again, I don't know in the ring.
02:50:05They'll be different as they go into round 13, Ariel.But there is that feeling that it feels big in the bubble here, but hasn't really explodedyet.And now, tonight, all the outlets here are reporting the Anthony Joshua story.So it's kind of taken the thunder away from it again.Yeah, that is a very good point.What do you make of this accusation from Eubank Jr.about the ambulance and Eddie and Matrim's stopping it.
02:50:30Explosive stuff, he put out a little clip.Very hard to understand the context, how long he was waiting, what it all means,but do you think there's any credence to it?Well, it's a very good journalist.You hit the nail on the head with all those things there.Look, it's just a clip of two ambulances in the bowled Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in North London.It was a chaotic night leaving there.I normally park my car four or five miles away and cycle to my car, believe it,
02:50:56not because it is incredibly difficult to get transport from there afterwards. It was bedlam outsidetill about two in the morning because I think there was an underground station, a train stationshut at the time as well. It really was bedlam. There's nothing beyond that video. We haven'thad a statement yet from the stadium itself, which is disarming and rather annoying becausethat video has been out there for a week. But I think it's part of a side show. Obviously he wasDehydrated. Both men ended up in wards next to each other in the hospital on the night with their fathers there as well. Obviously he made it through. It's a very serious thing when a fighter is ill after a contest or not well and needs to get to hospital. We know about the golden hour that they must be looked at and treated if there's something wrong with their brain or particularly as a head injury. Obviously it wasn't in this case. But the boxing border control,looking into it. It's kind of a side show now. Obviously, in seriousness, it's not, but it'spart of a side show. And we kind of need, we got the press conference tomorrow. The workouts are great.
02:52:07The two men are absolute box office stars. They're great characters. They're very, they're greatto be around. I've known both them a very long time. I think they really will deliver a greatfight on Saturday night. But it's that moment. As you know, you've been around so many events.You've been around a lot of events together over many, many, almost decades.decades now, you just need a bit of a push and a pull at the press conference.A bit of drama, a bit of, something that makes the goosebumps go, a bit of a thrill, maybesomething a little outrageous tomorrow, and then I think it'll ignite.I'll let you go in a moment, but I do want to ask you about Senior, one of the all-time
02:52:44great characters, and I do remember a week or so before the fight, maybe 10 or so days beforethe fight, he's in the park, he's even having a go at you and saying, like, you shouldn'tbe reporting this, reporting on this, you shouldn't be supporting it.it you shouldn't be backing it all this stuff and then of course he shows up on fight night i saw himon talk sport and simon jordan and jim white did ask him like were you paid and he kind of skirtedthe issue and this time around he doesn't seem to have the same kind of issues that he did with thefight despite the fact that his son posted pictures of himself at the hospital looking emaciatedlooking all beat up looking dehydrated and whatnot what do you make of his switch up and do you think
02:53:19ultimately he was just kind of paid to show up and that's why he's staying quiet well he's sayingpaid me noso we have to go with him on thatlisten he's an amazing characterI've known in many many yearshe's one of the extraordinary most eccentricsports when you'll ever findone of the hardest men on earth
02:53:37he was a great warrior in the ringhe's brought his son up beautifully as wellhe loves his sonso he's going to be there and his son's going to make hima grandfather to twin boys verysoon as well in the coming monthswhich he learnt about in the in the last coupleof weeks I think
02:53:53what do I make of seniorit's good to have himinvolved it's as simple as thatit's great to be around as I said earlierwere it not for himwe wouldn't reallybe having this fight because of thefathers we have the sons and the apple
02:54:09hasn't fallen far from thetree if I've answered your question thereokay fair enough your pickI think you bank onpoints again seven rounds to five eight roundsto four which is what I had it first timeI think Connor Ben's got to make it adog fight, make it a roughhouse brawl again. But I think Eubank will start with that jab very
02:54:31strong. He's got Beaumack in his corner this time, Terrence Crawford's trainer. So I just think he'stoo big, too strong, too experienced, too good. The only caveat is Conor Ben recovered veryquickly from that 12-round war. He has eight years on Chris Eubank. And if that first fight didtake an enormous amount out of him, we may find out that he gets stopped.late on Saturday night. But for me, you bank on points, Ariel.Do you want to give you your flowers? Call of the Warrior out right now via Hail Marypublishing. Look at this. I saw you with all the big wigs, gifting them a book.Conspicuous by his absence was moi. I didn't get any book. Didn't get any sort of presentation.
02:55:12But it's okay. We're happy to support.There'll be one arriving at Chaito. Samir addressed right. I will get one sent to Chetua.immediately. I appreciate that, but very, very happy for you. It looks fantastic. And I do want to say,we miss you over on the MMA side of things. When are you going to start showing up at thesepress conferences, asking the tough questions? They shall pay. I shall receive. I shall be there.Okay. Thank you, Gareth. You're the man. Keep up the great work. It's always a pleasure from afar.You know, I love you dearly. And I'm happy to see you in good spirits, good health as well, yes?Very good. And it's a pleasure to be on. And I'm delighted for your success and your independence
02:55:52and your canonical ownership of your own work.Thank you, Gareth. All the best to you.Appreciate it very much.Cheers, cheers.The great Gareth A. Davies, my old friend, Gadd, as they call him, on the streets, the warlock.Funny story about Gareth A. Davies.Back, you know, he opened the door.Have you guys ever heard the story about us going to the Tesco, I believe it was?
02:56:11It was UFC 120.It was October of 2010.We were going to listen to Dana White speak at Oxford University.And they had the Media Day.This was back when the media day was literally like in the basement of a hotel in London.It was my first time covering an event in London.It was Dan Hardy against Carlos Condit.It was Michael Bissping against Akiyama.
02:56:36And it was at the O2.And I was very excited to be there.Casey was there as well.I believe Esther 2, maybe just Casey.Anyway, Garrett, you know, Gareth's a rock star.I mean, he's like, look at the guy.He's unbelievable.He's one of the most eccentric human beings that have ever come across.
02:56:52And we're in his sports car.I don't know what it was.It was a BMW, was a Porsche.It was some sort of sports car.It was going very fast, a little bit of this, a little bit of that, you know, manual transmission, as they say.And he's going on and on about how popular he is in London, how popular he is in the UK,how everyone knows him, everyone reads him, everyone knows what he's about, he gets stopped on the street.And we stopped for gas.
02:57:16I think it was a Tesco, but it had like a whole cafeteria in it.We go get a sandwich.and the moment we walk in, the guy at the cashier says, oh my God, are you Ariel Hawani?What are you doing here?Like, we're on the side of the highway, on our way from London to Oxford, and this guy freaks out.Now, this is 2010, mind you.I'm a neophyte in this game.Gareth is going on and on about how he's been doing this, Paralympics, Daily Telegraph, all this stuff.
02:57:43And the moment we are now among other human beings, this guy freaks out.And I'm like, well, you know my friend, Gareth.he's a legend herehe's a rock starhe gets stopped every secondnot so familiarwith his workand so that's what he was referring to
02:58:02and so ever since thenI've you knowI've needled himabout the fact that he was going on and onand then the moment that we were among his peopleI get recognizedand someone pops for my presentit was a fun moment I do think it's funny
02:58:15nobodyyou go Frank goit was fun nobodydo what, Frank?That was my badI stepped all over Frank.But that person's uncultured.Not knowing Gareth in the UK is actually
02:58:29You've probably heard this story15 times now.I've heard this many times.Because I've said it on the show a lot.I didn't think he would open the doorfor me to say it again.I've heard this off the show.I've heard this on the show.
02:58:40Yeah, it's a great story.What can we say?It's a great story.Pizzi, welcome back.How are you?What are you doing?A bit of news there while it was away, huh?Did you change?
02:58:49I'll tell you what?spilled some sauce on myselffull as eating medoing on.So what wasa shot on a jumper?What was on the menu?Oh,
02:58:57I made somewhat hell could you describehoney and garlic chicken?Okay.All right.Chicken toys,bit of basmati rice.Oh,
02:59:07what are you going to do?Basmati on theon the stove top,pot.You know it.Yes, yes, yes.Got the save out.Don't respect the man
02:59:17who microwaves his rice.Okay, what about a rice cookRice cooker is probably the rice cooker.Rice cooker I can respect.It's efficient.The rice cooker is every day.We need a new rice cooker.I got son of me away now.
02:59:26I dare someone to show up and tell me they boil in the bag.No, that's great.Fuck a boil in the bag.You know, if someone tells me they boil in the bag, you're on my shit list.Immediately.Immediately.You know what I mean?You guys wash your rice before you cook it.
02:59:39You sure do.Yeah, that's a big thing.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Wash the rice, you said?Yeah, yeah.Wash the rice.Yeah, do you do that, Frank?I saw a whole video about it.
02:59:45Absolutely.Also, I learned that you should never, you should never refer.refrigerate rice, that if you use it 24 hours, like, you should just leave it on your, on yourcounter, don't put it in the, in the fridge. And, and 24 hours later, it's useless.Interesting. Did you know that? I did not know that.There's all signs of organisms and mold and weird things that develop. In the fridge.In the fridge, yes. And we would refrigerate rice all the time. And I showed it with my wife,and she's like, oh, this is hogwash. I'm like, this guy on Instagram is telling me.
03:00:16Oh, a guy on Instagram, man. No, no, no, he like broke it all down.It's just the same one.I do.At least he broke it all down.You know?It broke it all down.Someone told me they got very sick from rice once.Yeah.
03:00:26That kind of style.The refrigeration style, yeah.Oh, wow.Refrigerating cooked rice is crucial for food safety to slow bacterial growth.Are you trying to...Wait, you're saying it should be cool, it's quickly?Yeah, that's exactly.Literally every fried rice recipe is seeing...
03:00:39You're telling me that that guy on Instagram had it fucking wrong?That's what the guy?No way.I had diet manager.She lied to me.She told me she got sick from this.Yvonne, wherever you are.I bet she left it out.
03:00:51What were this guy's views on microwaves?We didn't get into all of that because I was just watching the video so we didn't have like a back and forth.I bet she left it out, pizza.It seemed extremely, I don't know, convincing.It seemed real.It's an AI video.No, it definitely wasn't AI, but he did have some like animations and whatnot.Did he ever mention why he was able to speak on this topic?
03:01:13Did he ever like have any credentials that lent to why he should be believed?I'll put my rice in the fridge and got diarrhea.That's what Pizzi's friend said.That's not me.That's the Instagram guy.Oh, okay, okay.I was like, wow, what a revelation.I was literally ate refrigerated rice today.
03:01:31I'm fine.We didn't call Pizzi back and interrupt his dinner time or movie night or whatever we was having to talk about this.I saw it.So all this is happening in real time, saw the report.From my understanding, as I've said on the show before, they were trying to salvage this fight, this date, this opportunity to be.on Netflix. Everyone can remain, you know, all the fighters who were preparing to be, like,you could just move them over to December, obviously very lucrative. And we had talked about someof the names that had been discussed, and this was one that had been discussed prior to the Tank Davis
03:02:03fight being made official. But in the midst of the show, we get the report from Mike Koppager of thering, who states that the exact language, let me see if I can,Ring X, Micahagher, the exact language is as follows.I think we do have the tweet as well, right?Anthony Joshua and Jake Paul are finalizing a deal for a heavyweight fight on Netflixin December in Miami's sources tell Ring Magazine.Paul steps up massively to fight the former heavyweight champion after his exhibitionwith Gervante Davis was canceled, major props to Paul.
03:02:43So there you have it.In the midst of all this, I did reach out to Eddie Hearn.as did Gareth, and he said, we have spoken, but nothing close, and I doubt he would be socrazy, he being Jake. I then asked him, would you say this report is premature? He said,absolutely. And then I said, can I attribute this to you? And he said, yes. And so, what do we makeof this, guys? Do we think there's smoke to this fire? Ptze, what do you think? You think this issomething that could actually happen? This would be within the next month, right? This would besometime between now and probably December 19th or so
03:03:20in that in that time frame what do you thinkI think it's a huge fightyou know I didn't expect this at all usually when Jakeis in a fightthe odds feel like they're stackedvery much in his favor this is the complete opposite of thatI'd very much agree with Garreté Davis's take which wasI'd expect Joshua to obliterate him in a boxing match
03:03:43I mean look look what Anthony Joshua did to Francis and Ganubefore that Dubois fight.Like, I mean, it was a completely different affairthan the Toys and Fury fight.I think having heard Eddie Hearn's updateand having looked at that tweet again,it feels like boxing's equivalentto the old in the works reporting
03:04:01that we used to see in MMA an awful lot, right?Like when we weren't quite suremaybe one side had verifiedthat this fight is happening,but you can't get the other side to commitand it's in the works.It's a huge fight.The one thing I will say is,
03:04:14why would you want that outthere. Why would the ring reportthis? Why would someone give them that informationif it wasn'tgoing to happen? Now, because everything elsepales in comparison to this as far as I'm concerned.Every other fight that they hadperspective or
03:04:30potential, I don't think it's as bigas Anthony Joshua.So I don't know what they would have.This is in a ring fight. Anthony Joshuais tied toDeZone. Anthony Joshua has arelationship with Turkey O'Shakand Riyat season. The ring is owned by
03:04:45Turkey Alshake and Mike Koppager works for Turkey Alshake and Ring Magazine. And so they can catch windof the fact that, hey, maybe an offer is being made. This is us now hypothesizing. I've not donethe research, but to answer the question, you know, oh, an offer maybe has been made because for AnthonyJoshua to leave DeZone, he's one of the crown jewels of DeZone. DeZone would have to be paidfor him to leave DeZone and fight on Netflix, right? We heard Oscar Delahoya talk about thiswhen the Ryan Garcia report came out and he's like, no, he's a DeZone fighter.Katie Taylor was also a DeZone fighter, but Eddie Hearns talked about convincing DeZone to say, like, hey, this is too big of an opportunity.We want her to go do this, and thus they allowed her to do it twice.
03:05:25And maybe there's a chance that DeZone says, like, hey, we don't want to keep letting our fighters go over to another platform here.We're still in the business of trying to sell fights to the public.And so maybe he catches wind of that, and maybe he goes ahead.Now, this isn't me refuting his report.Please, let's be very clear here.I'm not trying to get into any sort of controversy, courtesy of one P.C. Carroll.I'm just saying I can understand how this could get outand how it could also be somewhat premature.
03:05:48Do you understand what I'm saying?Well, Eddie Heron is saying it's premature.He's Anthony Joshua's manager.Promoter.Yeah, I mean, it's not like, you know, we're just saying this here.He's the one that said that.He said it to you and he said the Gary Day Davis.He's going to know about it if this point is happening.
03:06:03It can't happen without him giving it to go ahead.So I think that's where...But is there a chance he's working me?oh to what end okay what would be the benefit i don't know maybe they're in talks maybe he doesn't wantto piss off to zone there's a lot that's going on here there's a lot at play there's a lot ofpeople i still believe that of all the options out there this or angano are the two best andbiggest i don't have a great desire to see him fight someone who is 60 pounds smaller than himeven if he is as accomplished as a ryan garcia or a tank davis let me ask you
03:06:38you, Rick, how do you think, if this actually comes to fruition, do you think that the majority ofthe people in the UK and in the boxing community will have the same opinion of Gareth, whichis, I was a little surprised when he said like this would tarnish his legacy. Like, at this point,he just fought Francis Ngano and I know Francis Ngano isn't Jake Paul and vice versa, but we alsohave seen many a boxer take these side quests and be just fine. Why would a fight against Jake atthis point tarnish his legacy? No, it would help his legacy. It would be the guy who finally putit end to this Jake Paul thing, right? If he goesout there and puts Jake Paul on the dirt,
03:07:12he's going to be heralded. He'sgoing to be a hero for endingthis experimentbecause I think if it doesgo disastrously wrong for Jake Paul here,this feels like the highest leverage situation.This feels like the highest stakes, whereas I didn'tfeel that way about like a loss to
03:07:27Tommy Fury or anything like that. Okay, you'vealways said that. You've always said if he getsknocked the F out by Anthony Joshua, which couldhappen. Look what he did to Francis God, who had never beenrocked or knocked down, leta little knocked out before, is that the end?That's probably the end of him as a viable boxer, right?Because there's always been a justification, right?
03:07:46You lose to Tommy Fury.It's like, are you motivated? Do you care?Who cares about this thing altogether?Gervante Davis, he's a small man.There's always, there's always like an,everybody will always find a way to minimize Jake Paul'saccomplishment to kind of sweep it away.When it comes to Anthony Joshua, he's now facing
03:08:03a real boxer.There's, like, think what you want.of Jake Paul, but there's no way you cannot identify Anthony Joshua as a tough challenge as atop-level boxer and somebody that should put Jake Paul on the dirt. And so his willingness totake that fight says something about Jake Paul. And as far as Anthony Joshua's part of it goes,it's a high risk for him because if he doesn't put Jake Paul on the dirt, it's going to lookpretty bad on him. I do think that is how that would ultimately go, though.What's your level of interest, Mr. Connor Burks? What do you think about this? How do you
03:08:37people will receive this. Mr. Conner Berks, yeah, I am very interested in it. I'm already seeing thetweets and Instagram posts online that people definitely want to see this fight happen ifJake Paul is going to fight anyone. I can't imagine a fight that would garner more interest. It's alegitimate boxer in Anthony Joshua who has massive wins on his resume. He's much bigger than Jake Paul.He is a global superstar. And also, he's going to be a massive favorite. And it just, to me,it just makes sense from a standpoint ofif you're Jake Paul and you somehow pull this offand you beat Anthony Joshua, you silence
03:09:10all the doubters out there.You beat a guy in Anthony Joshuathat you're not supposed to beat. And then if you'resomeone that doesn't like Jake Paul, you want to tune in to seehim get knocked out. You put it on Netflix.To me, it makes a ton of sense froma visibility standpoint,from getting the most eyes on it.
03:09:26Obviously, you're never going to top theTyson thing just because of who Mike Tyson is.But right now, especially on short noticewith what, five weeks,Until the fight's supposed to happen, it feels like AJ is about as good as you could possibly do.We've come a long way, by the way.You remember, AJ was an open critic of the Engano Fury fight to then fight Engano and if, in fact, he does fight Jake Paul.But there's a lot of money to be made.
03:09:51I was going to say, man, the money talks, but he can change opinions.The way Eddie framed it up is like, why would I not take the easiest payday of my life?And he proved it against Francis Inganu.Now he's got an even easier one, in my opinion.Like, I just don't think Jake Paul could be competitive with Anthony Joshua.Like, Jake Paul will not win this fight.Connor said, like, what if, you know, Jake Paul pulls up?This will not happen.
03:10:13I can guarantee you.Jake Paul will not beat Anthony Joshua in boxing.But you do have to respect the his, as I've always said about Jake Paul, I want to see him in a spectacle.I want to see him putting on big fights and interesting fights.I don't really care about his journey as this, like, top-level boxer.so the idea that he's already like escalating this right let's not forget it wasn't too long ago that he was trying to fight canelo alvarez the guy that terence crawford just beat and made his legacy off of right terence was a guy who's a fantastic boxer i've always thought number one pound for pound but somebody who never really took hold in the boxing world and never became like a mainstream household name he just made his name on the back of canello on netflix he was trying to fight that guy and now he's stepping up to the plate and like the dravante one i don't have an explanation for itThat one really didn't do anything for me.But now he's stepping up to the plate and saying, I want to fight Anthony Joshua.
03:11:08He talked about the kind of David and Goliath nonsense when it was related to tank.He really is in a David and Goliath situation against Anthony Joshua.So think whatever you want of Jake Paul, but I have to respect what he's trying to do here.And I respect the spectacle that this could potentially be and what an attraction it could possibly be on the combined global stardom of Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua.I'm very interested in it.and I think a lot of people will be tuning into see him get his clock cleaned.All right, I have found playable odds.
03:11:38Okay, okay.I think that's...I'm sorry, go ahead, Pizzi.Go, Ptze.Oh, sorry.I think, Rick, in terms of how I'd see this fight going,I think it's not a contest at all.But that's where the jeopardy exists
03:11:52if this was to happen for Anthony Joshua.If you go into this fightand he can somehow go laid into this fightwith you even,I think that's where you getinto the territory of tarnished and legacies like Garrett A. Davies said. And as Garrett said as well,if this fight's made, are you, are you honestly not expecting to see that headline on Talksportimmediately? Like that is straight away where they're going to go with this. But again, it's going to
03:12:16stir the pot. It's going to have everyone talking about it. It's the type of thing that everyone willhave an opinion on. And that's again, what we've seen with all Jake Paul's fights. Like people cansay, oh, I don't care about this. He has everyone talking. And the Tyson vote proved he can geteyeballs. I think this will work in the same way, but I do believe that the jeopardyexists for Anthony Joshua by not performing the way he did against Francis and Gannu,which was a complete annihilation. So it's actually like perception-wise,I can see Jake Paul getting some kind of win if he can, if he can just go a few rounds withthis guy, because that's how much expectation will be on the shoulders of Joshua.
03:12:53What are the odds? What are the odds? I'd like for you guys to guess first. What do you think?I'm going to be off because I'm minus a thousand.So skewed.Anything less than minus 1,000 is a second mortgage for me.Okay.Joshua favorite, obviously.I don't want to say the same thing, so I'll go minus 2,000.Okay.
03:13:16Rick and Pizzi, winners.Anything Joshua minus 1,000 plus 560.And what's crazy is, like, what about knockout?I'm going to be eating three meals for a little bit.Am I getting in advance?No knockout, no knockout prop available yet, but I mean, that's kind of the beautyin it if you are a Jake Paul detractor.If you're tuning in, this is a guy
03:13:3325 of his 28 wins are by knockouts.So if he wins, more than likelyyou're going to get to see Jake Paul get sparkedout. Yeah. Man, it would bea pretty... I think he has to. I think, do you not thinkthat, Ariel, like, Joshuagoes in and goes the distance here, that'sa disaster friend.
03:13:50It depends on, it depends on, like, thevibe. Yeah. If the vibe islike Fury and Ganu, and I'm not tryingto say that Fury, but, like, afterwards hewas like, yeah, I was just doing it for fun,all this stuff it depends on the vibe if i'm if i'm if i'm a j i employed the same vibe that iemployed to the enganyu fight which is like you are not on my level and i'm going to end you andthat's what he did it was so damn impressive that's what i would do and i would hope that he would
03:14:13take it seriously we don't know how he's feeling we don't know how much he's been training what kind ofshape he's in he's coming up the surgery so i'm curious about that um i'm curious about by the waythe calculus from team paul like is is is the risk worth it here if the whole freaking thing comescrumbling down is a worth it fora fight on five or soweeks notice if in fact it does happen.But man, again,which one do you guys like more?
03:14:38This or Angano? To me, I mean, this isa greater risk, right? Because AJ's anOlympic gold medalist. He's an accomplishedheavyweight champion. Yeah.Anthony Joshua is the perfectopponent for Francis, for JakePaul. And here's why. Oh, man.One, he's still
03:14:54considered a top level boxer, right? Nobody looksat AJ. Now, nobody looks atAJ and goes like, this guy is not a legitimate boxer. He is a championship caliber boxer.The reason he's perfect is because we have seen him falter publicly so many times, right?There is enough tape out there. There are enough times that AJ didn't show up that everybody'sgoing to go, but what if? It's the same thing with the Mike Tyson fight. It was enough to capturethe imagination. What if he just turned back the clock one time? There was no chance in hellthat Mike Tyson was going to ever turn back the clock, but what if? And the same thing's true of
03:15:28AJ, right? With AJ, you've got a guy who is going to kill Jake Paul. He is going to put him in thedirt. But you have enough people that have seen AJ falter and have seen him come up short in thosebig moments that they're going to go, but what if? What if Jake Paul can summon it? And whatif Jake Paul can do it? It's a perfect fight for MVP. It's a perfect fight for Jake Paul. It's a fantasticfight for Anthony Joshua, a hell of a payday on the back of the Angano one as well. It's exactlywhat you need. And it's going to draw a ton of interest. It's going to draw a ton of intrigue.love it. I absolutely love it. I think it's great. I also love, you know, Big John was talking aboutthe zone is the only place. Obviously, Paramount's going to get into the boxing business. The more
03:16:07Netflix cards we get, the better it is for the sport. And so they're, their willingness to makethese fights happen and not just have the one-off. You know, some people thought Tyson Paul was a one-offand that was it. Just like the Kobayashi chestnut thing, the hot dog eating thing. And so we canonly hope and pray that Netflix gets more and more involved in combat sports.Can I ask you one thing? Wrestling already, boxing, you know, we know about the MMA talks, yes.You mentioned this, and I've been thinking about this. You mentioned, is this too big a risk for Jake Paul, right? Like, because if this ends in devastating fashion, it could be bad. I've been on record saying, like, he's Teflon. I do think this one could be bad if it ends in devastating fashion. But if you are Jake Paul and Nekisa, you have to be looking around the landscape and going, how many more can we do with these? Nobody wants to step up to the plate. The guy,that you need to be on the other side of the ledger on these fights just cannot show up.Time and time again, Jake Paul is trying to put on the biggest fights that can be made,
03:17:06and there really just are not names out there.Like, how long have we been talking about KSI?How long have we been fantasizing about Jake Paul versus Connor McGregor?He has Gervante Davis in there, Gervante's out.He's on the 50, he's on the 10-yard line with Canello, Canello's out.I just wonder if at a certain point you get frustrated and fed up with the idea that, like,I'm trying to do this.I'm trying to push this thing forward
03:17:28and there really aren't names out thereyou have to take the riskthere's nobody elsethere's nobody else out therethere's that also andwhat are they going to say?What are they going to say?What are they going to say?
03:17:39The Francis one was enough for me.Me too.And now like what's the spin going to be?What's the spin?Oh, they'll find a spin.He's coming off a knockout.He's washed.He's trash.
03:17:50Oh yeah, they'll find a way.It's great theater.Do you think that the floor,if it is in Florida,Do you think it's, it's, it's sanction?Oh, yeah.I think it is.Oh, yeah.
03:18:01Which is a crazy part.In Florida, that's getting sanctioned.What would be the, he has enough, Jake has enough pro fights at this point.What would we even be talking about?Gosh.You're talking about the number 13 cruiserweight in the WVRA.Exactly.That's a good point.
03:18:14Yeah.It's disparity in scale.H.A.'s first fight in America.No, there is, but like, the lost Andy Ruiz, yes?There's certainly a disparity in skill, but like, you know, we've seen boxing is full of mismatch.Like, boxing is littered with mismatches.This is how it goes.It's all on the pro record.
03:18:28What if AJ beats him with one air button?Keeps it in the whole time.He could.He could actually do that.Well, this is the thing.The more I think about this,unless it's an absolute obliteration,he comes off looking bad.
03:18:41It's a risky fight.I know that sounds absolutely mad.It's a weird thing, right?Unless he smokes him,it's like an unofficial L.And if Jake goes the distance,which would be the unofficial, he gets the unofficialW, right?
03:18:55If he goes the distance,distance with AnthonyJoshua, the gloating, theparade that he'll put on for himself.Kind of rightfully so, right?Yeah, dude, do you think he was about eight, ten rounds?Are you kidding me?Oh, my God.
03:19:07Especially the way Anthony Joshua did Francis and Gano?Yeah, it would be incredibly impressive.Logan Paul spent the year celebrating hiswin over Floyd Mayweather just by lasting.Like, we've seen it before.By the way, Rick, you talk about lack of options.You fight AJ, and let's just say you do go the distance,but falter.
03:19:24Yeah.You can't tell me,You can't tell me Francis's stance will be like, oh, you're not important to me anymore,or you're not big enough for me.So now you've just now created another opponent.Do you know what I mean?I think it's bizarre that Francis didn't want it.It's backwards.
03:19:39It should be going from Francis to AJ.But I'm just saying if, in fact, even he loses to AJ and he goes to distance, but he loses,now you've got a potential Francis fight in 2026.Do you, though?I think so.Why not now?Oh, I mean, it should be now, but Francis has his reasons.If it goes the distance, the allegations of like, oh, script, script, fixed will be massive.
03:20:02That'll be the one screaming it.Oh, my God.The Jake Paul fight fix thing will never end up.Petey with his mortgage on Anthony Joshua by K.O.And then it goes the distance.Well, me and Petezy will be homeless.Just me calling in from a field in Ireland.The one interesting thing is Miami, right?
03:20:19Because Pizzi, do you think you could put this?Like, I think you do this at Tottenham Hots.I know they're not going to.Oh, wow.I mean, could you know, I think you could.I mean, I think Jake's star power and the spectacle of him versus AJ, like, it is a bitof a random spot to do it.But no question you could.
03:20:38AJ fighting against Jake Paul?Yeah, there's going to be so much backlash as well that will drive sales.Like, it's, this is what happens.The UK fans will be like, let's go watch our guy kill Jake Paul.I'm going to mask her Jake Paul.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.That's what's going to be.Absolutely.
03:20:53It's perfect.They don't want to, like, what the British boxing board of control, they might be like, eh, you know.Oh, you know what they get.Yeah.They're upstanding.They're still, like, fighting about the eggs, the coma fiend and all that.All right, so let's see.I mean, not for nothing.
03:21:09It could be much to do about nothing.I've not heard from anyone on their side.What do you think?What's your good saying?Don't tell me what they're saying.I want to know what the heart of Ariolawani is saying right now.Paul Boyland, too.You love that.
03:21:20Borland.Tell me.Talk, Dad.Boilin.Tell me what you think about Eddie Hearn's response.That's what I'm most interested in.What is your read on Eddie?He doesn't want to say anything.
03:21:35Warming up the slitter.He's about to throw to the next segment.All right.We have any more on the nose question?I really think that they want to save this date.I really think that they want to.fight on Netflix. Not for nothing, there's a lot of fighters that lost out. I think they wantto, you know, a lot of those fighters are MVP fighters. I think they don't want to screw over
03:22:02the fighters. And, you know, no one wants an event to be canceled. There's a lot of money thatyou lose. There's a lot of, we know what goes into that. That's why the UFC tries so hard tokeep these fights and why they made such a big deal by UFC 151. And this is, you know,this is not a great situation to be in. So if you're able to salvage something with a potentiallyeven bigger fight come, you know, a month's time, that's amazing.I am not as like flabbergasted as other peoplebecause they literally told us a few months agothat they were trying to make this fight happen
03:22:29and so it's not such a crazy thoughtto just have your other fight fall throughand then revisit it. Remember what they told uswhen the tank fight was announced? Remember how hepositioned he's like first you knowI beat the small guy then I beat the big guyand so it seemed like their two fight planwhether people believed them or not
03:22:45was tank than AJ and sotanks out and now they move out to AJI'm not surprisedmy onlylike oh wow is likeoh you're going to do this next monthyou know that's the crazy thingthat's very MMA right
03:22:58boxing doesn't really do things like thatthey don't really likemake fights happen within a monthto salvage a card and soI'm not shockedI would love to see itI would love to work itI would love to be there
03:23:10I would love to I would love tosee it all transpire and unfoldbut I'm notA I'm not shockedB I don't think it ruinsA.J.'s legacy. C,I don't know how you cannot give Jakeanything but props for even going
03:23:26after this fight, andB, I hope it's a good competitive fight.It won't be.You can't have it all, Ariel.Yeah, three out of four.Jake seems like a short notice typeguy, obviously, right? Like, evidence bythis and evidence by the fact that he's always kind of
03:23:42like looking to salvage.But Joshua is the shockingpart, right? If Joshua goes, like,on a month's notice, I'm stepping in there,it would make sense to me just because I think he,the same way he looked at Francis Ingano and started licking his chopsand Eddie Hearn looked at Francis and Gano and started licking his chops,I'm sure he's thinking I could do this out of bed.
03:24:02I could do this on a week's notice because I've been boxing my whole lifeand this kid's been boxing for several years.I would take his head clean off.The part that, I don't know, Eddie's coyness makes me think there's smoke to the fire.Yeah, it was a quick reply.Yeah, and also it's...There's a lot of feelings,there's a lot of relationships involved here,
03:24:23DeZone, Netflix.It's actually a win already for Paul, right?Oh, 100%.Because if he doesn't take this fight,100%.If he doesn't take this fight now,Jake Paul's going to be like,Anthony Joshua is afraid to fight me.
03:24:35No one will fight me.I'm the boogeyman.I have wins over Tank Davis,Frank Sinanu and Anthony Joshuain the span of three weeks.Throw Canelo Alvarez in there, too.Yeah, Canello too.You're right.
03:24:45It is kind of a...Fair play.Fair play.You're right.Is Jake Paul the best boxerin the world. I think so. So we talkabout, like, you know, like, crumblingif he loses. He has so many ventures
03:24:55and businesses, like, even ifthe boxing thing goes away, like, he's going to be fine.It's not life or death. But do you thinkthat if he gets smoked, the wholeMVP thing crumbles as well, or is itjust the Jake Paul? I think the Jake Paul thing over.Yeah, I think he's starting to have enough success withMVP that, like, he's doing shows
03:25:11without him on it. Right, right. He can be just thepromoter. He can be just the guy alongsideNikisa making these fights and bringing attentionto it as he's done withyou know, Katie and Amanda ishim, he's not fighting, butthere was a card that they wereunderneath, but he is presenting that
03:25:27the promoter, yeah, he's the promoter for it, and he's donea fantastic job with it, soI think he could slide into that easily.It's just, yeah, I don't know.You'd have to imagine if he's putting the samehours that he is training into being a promoter,he would have success with it. Oh, yeah.Okay, true or false, before we move on?
03:25:43Sure.P.C., does it happen?on that date tooDecembernext monthyes yesGCyes
03:25:55Rick?Nooh wowwhat's a youArielArielyou know I'mI'm a quasi
03:26:03Netflix guyyes or noit's yes or no answerHe'she's or no answerHe'she'sHe's cutting off the Yahoo
03:26:11just at the Ymeaning yesthe Eddie hurtI say yesI say yesI say yesI say yesI say it on record
03:26:21Frankie what say you babyI say yesI think it happenedand he's going to knock outAnthony rightabsolutelytheI forgot
03:26:29thethe mysterious FrankJake Paul gimmickin the big2025absolutelyI'm going strongI think you're all
03:26:36judging a little too harshlythethe combinationof Oscarde La Jollanot letting Ryanhave the opportunityinciting the
03:26:43his own part combined with Eddie Hearninstead of saying nothis is not happening and denyingor yeah we're all inthe he wouldn't bethis dumb iswhat gives me that it gives me the pauseit gives me the pause it's a little
03:26:59part of the Eddie has to be front and centerin this I didn't even think of thatcomponent we can'twe can't this he's not allowed hereblah blah blah let the man cooklet the man cookon the freaking dayright? All of them? Yes, I didn't even think of that. I didn't even think of that. All right, let's see how this all plays out. Let me get to a couple other questions before we call it a day. Ptze, stay with us because here's one that pertains to you. Daniel O'Neill, over on the substack says,
03:27:29Ariel and the Lads, would you consider coming to Ireland next summer to make an uncrowned film on the All-Ireland Hurling final? The energy at those finals is always electric and I would love to see all of you in the heart of it and get your thoughts. I'm sure Pee would be able to bring youaround to some lower level games as well to see the grassroots stuff love the show shoutout to frank for his incredible music taste so he wants an uncrowned film on something non-combatwhat do you think should we should we be expanding already ptze it's well it's a very violentsport i can tell you that much okay um you have a very good time watching it it's uh it's anamazing sport it's the fastest field sport in the world as i told us before it's apeople have described it as a cross between ice hockey and murder.It's unbelievable skill.
03:28:15That's the one with this, right?The Schlitter, yeah, that's correct.We watched this on the Guinness Tour?We didn't.It was the football final that was on that day, so different sport.But same kind of played in the same place, the same kind of system.All these counties play against each other.It's also amateur sport.
03:28:34These guys aren't getting paid, and they are revered like gods in the counties that they're from.It's a huge honor to play for your county.You've had friends who's played Hurling for Dublin,have been captains of Dublin and stuff like that.It's unbelievable.And it's the best game in the world.Honestly, the all-orland final,Hurling, there is nothing more exciting.
03:28:54It's fantastic.This year, we'll all tune in and you can make up your mind.So they're here in the United States.Oh, listen, I'll search you out with a link, don't we.Oh, yeah.I got to tell you,cross between hockey and murder is as good as, like,the old Dana White,
03:29:07like it's in our DNA fighting on a corner.type like carnivalIt's really goodI feel the same by the way about the Grey Cupwhich is this Sunday and I hope you all will tune inMontreal against SaskatchewanIt's a great brand of footballHave you ever watched CFL?
03:29:21We know you love the NFL PTAHave you ever watched a CFL?I know, I have watched it onceThree down is the thing aboutThree downs and the goals are in a different positionI'm right about that?The field goal is at the front of the end zoneand the field is 110 yards
03:29:37but breaking news,they're actually changing itnext year for the first time.The league has been aroundfor I think 112 years.They're actually Americanizing it,which a lot of the hard coresare upset about.
03:29:47They're moving the field goal backto where the NFL has it.They're making the end zone smallerlike the NFL,and they're changing it to 100 yards.The ball is bigger,so I don't know what they're doing with the ball.Yeah, the ball's a little fatter,
03:30:01but they're keeping the three downs,which some might say.And I think they're getting rid of the rouge.The rouge is like,you kick it and you miss the field goal but you catch it if i kick a field goal and i miss itbut a teammate of mine catches it and kneels in the end zone you get a point right and what did itmean so i was watching um i think it was sunday-noy football or mondaynois football this week andone of the coaches his team said we're gonna play canada style football and i was like i don't know
03:30:30what that means wow that's amazing isn't there well what to me that would be like you're you'reyou're playing as though you have three downs.So you're going to, you're going to move quicker.You're going to pass more.You're going to try to play.You're not going to get to the fourth down, basically.We're only going to play three down football.An NFL coach said that.
03:30:48I'm shocked.Yeah, or else the commentary was describing what they were doing.And they said, he's going to play Canada to stole football here.Never heard that, but I love it.Here's Shama Weewee's dear sweet Ariel as a fan who only started watching during the COVID area.Shout out to my first favorite fighter, Adesanya.Are the headlining fights for this next pay-per-viewin the top three for stakes in their weight classes in history?
03:31:11Wei Lee and Valentina feels like the biggest women's fightin my time as a fan, I just need your expert opinion.I mean, there have been some massive ones.But this is, I mean, look, the first show at MSGhad some pretty damn big stakes.There were three title fights.The UFC 217, which was the next show,I think UFC 217 is the greatest 90 minutes in the history of the UFC.
03:31:32That's my take.GSP Bisping, incredible.Yawanna Rose, incredible.Cody T.J., incredible.Those 90 minutes, I think, were, and those stakes are arguably bigger because it's three title fights.But I do agree.Zhang Valentina, is it the biggest?I mean, Amanda against Rhonda was big.
03:31:56Rhonda against Holly was big.Amanda, Misha Tate, UFC 200 was big.Holly versus Misha is one of my favorite women's fights of all times.it doesn't feel like it's as bigand maybe it's because they're not as popularas those fighters, but in terms oflike actual on papertalent versus talent, I'd put it up there
03:32:15with those 100%.Manda versus Cyborg isManor versus Cyborg, yeah, it neverfelt like we got to see it.It was so quick. No, for sure. But that's by farthe two best women to ever fight.Yep, yep, yep, that's a great point.Charlie says, I saw the Christy Martin movie
03:32:30and it was fucking tremendous.would be worth a trip to the theaters from the crew.So there you go. Link one says,we need to have a discussion on your choice of pizza toppings.Firstly, pineapple does not and should never go on pizza.I find it so interesting that people care.It's like the steak thing.It's like, first of all, you've never tried it.
03:32:48And second of all, why do you care so much?And third of all, it's not like I made this up.Have you ever heard of Hawaiian pizza?Like, it's quite popular.Pineapple and ham, right?Why are people so blown away by the thought of,it is very good, trust me.And you know what's crazy?
03:33:01you know, I've told you guys about my thing about, you know,fruit after meals or fruit aftermorning time. For some reason, the pineappleon the pizza doesn't bother me.Maybe because it's cooked. It's almost like...No, no. It's real.I want to tell you, I said, thatday when I went to the pizza place with my
03:33:17friends who I grew up with, I toldthem about the hate thatI received from you guys.And they... You guys,you have to understand, people frommy neck of the woods, we have a verysensitive stomach.And you just, you're not, I'm happy that you aren't plagued with the same issues as us.
03:33:37But please, don't be insensitive and dismiss them.Like, what would pepperoni would make?Give you the shits like?No, no, no, fruit.Fruit late at night.Fruit after a meal is a death sentence.Makes him a big gas.It's not worse than that.
03:33:51In Chinese culture, in the shit's are worth it.In Chinese culture, they literally bring out oranges as the dessert.That's crazy.I can't do it.I'm not saying it's bad.At the end of the meal, you paid the bill.they bring out orange slices andmelon. I mean, it's...
03:34:05By the way, this guy brings up a great point. He says,besides, doesn't this mess your stomach upbecause of the whole food after dinner thing?It's an anomaly. What can I say?There it is. It is an anomaly.I believe you that it affects you,but I don't think it's a widespread thing.It is very widespread. Look up Jewish
03:34:21stomachs. We've beenbattling this first century.Once that sun goes down,fruit off limits. It abides by daylight savings time.Unless it's on a pizza.I can relate to you there.I put it the same thing with the pineapples because pizza wasn't a thing here when we were growing up until we were teenagers.And I remember my mom and dad coming home with this ham and pineapple pizza.
03:34:44And this is all they ever got.Like, I never knew.Like I just thought this was what was on pizza.And then I start like, I'm obviously getting older.I'm going out with friends going to a pizza place.Like what kind of pizza do you want?I'll be like ham and pineapple.Like what the fuck is wrong?
03:34:56But you love it, right?I'm dealing with it too.I can't be any of the kind of pizza.I just get cheese pizza.hand pineapple every time. And by the way, it's the sameconcept because I would have never had hambut it's a little salty, right? So it'ssalty in the sweet. It's just my kosher
03:35:09version of it. I love pineapple and pizza.Okay, thank you. This guy says...Pineapple and bacon and pizza fromDominoes? I'm crushing. This guy says,who on earth does green olives instead of black?Green olives taste... What do you prefer?Like, when you're snacking? Black for...Oh, black. Calamatta, actually.
03:35:25Yeah, yeah. I'm talking likegreen as freaking green day.Like, green... No, good. Black or Calamato?Also, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.I just had to say it's incredible that Pizzi lived through the invention of Pee.Yeah, that's amazing.No, no, no, just here, just here.That's what I'm saying, but the invention of pizza in Ireland.
03:35:42Well, you had spice bag, so you were doing all right.That's all I care about.We actually, was spice bag pretty modern.Like, shit was not happening here.I'm glad I was alive for that era.And that was it.Like, that was all you're getting.Then we had curry, and then this fucking alien called pizza showed up one day.
03:35:56Spice bag.You know what I mean?Ariel, can you put other fruit on a lot of,a pizza as a testto see if this will work.Like apples or...Yeah, put something else.I don't know why pineapples work.
03:36:08Pineapples just work.Okay, but what about another?As we're talking about it, I feel it right here.I feel it right here.What do you say?We'll finish the show if he gets a dose.Change of the competition.It's life changing.
03:36:22And I went to Danny's Pizza Tavern in Toronto.If you're ever in Toronto, go to Danny's or go toDanny's next door and ask for the Halwaniand they will give you an all.olive pineapple pizza and it's fantastic and I and I ate that pizza that I showed on on myInstagram I think I had 75% of it and I could have had another 75 it was phenomenal here'sAdrian who says what's up everybody Ariel harking back to the conversation regarding too manyinterviews I believe what people are really saying is it's not too many interviews it's that
03:36:51we are all interested in the team's views and discussions as well the banter and OTN and team'sopinions we love as their opinions we can digest slash argue such agree withSo it's not one over the other.We just want both.Can't have it all, guys.Appreciate it.Burley says,whatever happened to the commercial breaks?
03:37:10Are you guys no longer on Yahoo TV live?I was trying to watch you live.Well, off for Veterans Day.I don't think we're live these days.I do think we play VOD,and I'm cool with that.That's accurate.I didn't love the commercial breaks,
03:37:24and I think there might have been a problemwith the swearing sometimes, I think that.Nah, no, no, no, mine.Was that what it was all about?BITBFDBFDB still doescommercial
03:37:34YeahAs does the crackRightCrack you doWe certainly fucking doYeahSoI do
03:37:39I'm droppingF bombs the holeI don't know whatOkayHunterHey ArielI think you and the boysare going to
03:37:48OGC an apologyOh GodPicture is itPicture thisThe UFC's gamblingscandal continuesTo metastasizeOver the coming months
03:37:56Along with Trump'slame duckUnpopularityGrowing ahead ofI probably should have read this one before.Next November is important midterms.I anticipate that June's UFC White House eventwill increasingly become a political liability for Republicans,
03:38:07a big waste of taxpayer dollars months before midtermsthat can easily endanger Trump's presidency, in my opinion,it ain't happening.I think G.C. will be proven right.Wow.By the way, big day for G.C.Got in early.Crackadone was on Yahoo Sports Daily.
03:38:23Get him, G.C.Do you have anything?Oh, look at this.Oh, look at this.Frank.This is like way early.What time is this?9.15 in the morning?
03:38:32Man, back there.Look great.Sounded great.Do we have a little snippet?No, no snippet?No snippet?I asked for a snippet.Well, that was the snippet.
03:38:40You got the BTS.You got the BTS.I've been sitting in this chairfor about nine hours now.There were a couple of breaks there.Did you enjoy it?I mean...That was great.
03:38:49It was great.Made it to the big time.Yeah.To the big time.My mom texted me afterward.He was watching?Oh, yeah, yeah.He's had a smile on his face from ear to ear all day.
03:38:58Oh, yeah, yeah.Yeah.you get that rub man you get that rubI thought it was a great conversationit was right in your wheelhouseit was about thethe gambling and whatnotI love it I love it
03:39:10shout out to themit's a good point though about thethe Trump thinglike you know the guy who demolished the White Houseand is spending millions of dollarsto do that for sureit's going to be that that loses himthe presidency
03:39:25also I don't know if I could really take creditI don't know if I could take credit for itbecause I've jumped off my original take.Sure, but you could go back to the original and be like,I said it.I'll have it.Actually, this is big brain stuff.I have both sides of it.
03:39:39So when it does inevitably fall,I can go back to the OG.Interesting one here,and it's specifically for the BITB.What's the angriest you've seen Ariel off air?And have there ever been any effortwill do it live,Bill O'Reilly type of moments?
03:39:53Follow up,who's he most likely to get mad atand why is it Frank?Frank.We were all together at the angriest.When was that?Oh,it was the one-time PT came.
03:40:03Yeah.Yeah, there's probably a water bottle can.The water bottle.You know what's crazy about the water?So the story is,Deonté Wilder,they keep stringing us along,stringing us along.
03:40:14And then also Luke Littler, right?It was just a calamity.And the thing that was stressed,usually I don't really get stressed about these things.I mean, I get annoyed.No, my daughter had a thing at school.And I knew I had like an hour driveto get.
03:40:27there and I felt like they were screwing that up and I had one of these and Iwalked out of the I walked out of the studio and it's the only and and there was aI was I was mad so I threw it but I swear to God it was going to the windowit was like an anime it came whizzing by Pizzi was like at the last momentI aimed down it was like it was like a quarterback he's about to throw andthen he realized he's got nothingso he goes intentional grounding.That's what I did.
03:41:00Pizzi looks in me right after it happens.Clanking water bottle, Pizzi turns me.He's like, this happened every day.The funniest thing was, everything went wrongthe second they walked into the room.G.C. gets me.He brings you upstairs.Next to all, it's like, Deonté Wilder is delayed.
03:41:17G.C. is trying to communicate with people.I'm being loyal.Yeah, so why do you get for lunch around here, G.Michael Venom Page is now delayed as well.What's the crack, man?What's that?Where did you get that jump on?on yeah yeah yeah yeah what the fuck is going on and i was like will i go into him now will i go in
03:41:31and they're like no jesus sit down and then everything went fucking wrong by the way all these yearsi mean rick's been here the longest that's the one and only rightthat we're a lot that's such bullshit oh we lost internet connection to rick that's suchbullshit oh he lost internet connection that is such i've never i've never had uhfrank have i ever had we'll do it live well i've never had a we'll do it live moment you've never had itdo it live now.This is so crazy.You guys are painting a picture right now.
03:42:01People are going to do breakdowns of this, like, Ariel Hawani is the worst to work with.They live in fear.Look at their eyes.Why does he always have that water bottle next?Why am I worried about the...Water or weapon?Funny enough, you talk about this moment.I actually wasn't here for this moment.
03:42:16Oh, yeah, it was Wednesday.It was a Wednesday in the old era.I've been around the block, but I was not there for that one.Hey, here's one for Pizzi.After talking about Crosby yesterday, Kiefer.that is, not Douglas.It made me think of Ryan Curtis.I was curious if you had an update on him.
03:42:32Ryan's doing great.He is doing all kinds of speaking gigs.I mean, people are completely inspired by his story.He's been telling all over the world.He's back and forth to, I believe it's Columbia.He's doing stem cells over there.But I mean, just an unbelievable guy.Like, I mean, you can make a motion picture, oh, what this guy's been through.
03:42:53Totally would never walk again.had pretty much everyone thinking, like, this is a lost cause.He's out working out, walking around.And it's great to see because he was always, from the second I met himwhen he was an amateur, he was one of the biggest personalities I've ever met.And to see him back in all his glory, and I'm sure, of course, there's a lot of work going on.I'm sure he will never be back to 100%.This guy was a fantastic athlete.
03:43:18But to see what he's been through, walking around now, that was something that he was told hewould never do. It's truly phenomenal. And he's speaking at all these things. As I say, he's a gueston every single podcast around Ireland. And of course, he's great friends both south of theboard, both in the south of Ireland and up north because all the time he spent training in FAA,knocking around with the looks of Mick Conlon and those boys. So he's doing great. And it's greatto see. Love to hear it. Two more quick ones. Thank you for that. Jimmy says,Holy cow, how cool is Wellmaker? So cool to have personalities like that.Root for. I loved having him in. He was amazing. And if you haven't seen the interview,
03:43:58it's up on the channel right now. And here's Marco Gonzalez who says, what's up,Barry on the boys? I don't even know if this is a question or more of a rant, but here it goes.DeZone's pay-per-view model is the reason I've slowly fallen out of love with boxing.I'm already paying a monthly subscription. On top of that, they expect us to pay extra forpay-per-view and honestly for fights that don't deserve to be on pay-per-view. When I went to watchParker v. Wardley, I was shocked to find out that it was a pay-per-view. I agree. That shouldn'thave been a pay-per-view.Same thing with Atama v. White.
03:44:26I like these fighters.I really do, but paying premium prices for cards like that is insane.With all due respect, these aren't household names just yet,and charging fans extra for those fights just feels wrong.Could have been pay-per-view over in the UK, but not here in America.Now, he continues with the zone introducing yet another new subscription plan.It's getting even worse.As an average Joe, if I have to choose between paying for a UFC card or a boxing pay-per-view,
03:44:48I'm going UFC every time.At least with the UFC, I feel like I'm getting my money's worth.solid main cards, real stakes, and a full night of fights with boxing.It often feels like you're paying pay-per-view prices just for the main event.And next year, UFC fans won't even have to worry about pay-per-view costs the same waywhile DeZone keeps raising prices on underwhelming events.I really wish Turkey Al-Shake had stuck to his word about ending pay-per-viewsbecause that gave fans real hope.
03:45:12It felt like boxing was finally about to grow again and give lesser-known fighters a platform.All that said, I think I'm ending my DeZone subscription at the end of the year.So I'll ask you guys, should fans keep paying for these smaller pay-per-views?Is the pay-per-view model dead in boxing?Or is there still hope that the sport can change course?Because right now it feels like boxing's biggest fight is with its own business model.A lot of great points there.There's a lot of great points there.
03:45:35Thank you for that, Bob.And you are right.When they made that announcement, I remember they were at Wembley,and it was Daniel Dubois against Alexander Usik.And Ade was hosting like a little segment in which Turkey Al-Shake,Shai Segev, who's the CEO of DeZone, and Frank Warren were standing there.And they made an announcement and they were like, we're going to get rid of pay-per-view,and we're going to make this pass and all this stuff.
03:45:59And that was pretty much it.There were no details.But what was most telling about that interaction was at the very end, Frank was like, he didn'tget the memo.And Frank basically said, like, you want fights like this, you want knights like this.You're going to still have pay-per-view.You're going to have to have pay-per-view because of the economics of boxing because of how muchfighters get paid.
03:46:18the toothpaste is out of the tube no fighter is going to agree to take a massive pay cut and when he saidthat in that moment live on de zone i was like oh pay-per-view ain't going nowhere they tried to get rid ofpay-per-view and it didn't work and so yeah this just is the economics of boxing now i i doi do think if they could get to a place where yeah it's a little bit more than your averagestreaming service which at this point is you know anywhere between 15 16 17 18 18 dollars this one'saround $45 a month, I think you could get people on board with like a 20.45 a month for unannounced pay-per-views, I think is asking a lot.And I think you'll still have pirating, and I think you'll still have people picking
03:47:03and choosing and stuff like that.But to his point, to Marco's point, boxers make a lot, and the way to offset those costsis pay-per-view.And I don't really know how to fix that.the only way that you could fix that is to make really good cards stack cards but those aregoing to cost you a pretty penny and so like you go on people have tried to fix this but it wouldyou know it keeps going on and on now back in the day you would get HBO or showtime but inaddition to look you're paying $45 a month for DeZone with this ultimate plan you're pretty
03:47:42much paying for, like, at best, I'm going to be very kind right now, four nights out of the month,right? Like, there's a show every Saturday, sometimes they're not great shows, sometimes there'sone fight on it that you care about, and sometimes there's not even a show, but there's at least probablyone. When you were subscribing to HBO and Showtime back of the day, and it was muchcheaper, you weren't just getting HBO boxing or Showtime boxing and Boxing after dark andshowboxing and all this stuff. You were also getting some of the best shows on TV.You were getting entourage, you were getting the Sopranos, you were getting sex in the city.You were getting like some of the greatest shows of all time.
03:48:19What else are you getting with that subscription?And so I think that's ultimately what the people are complaining about.Now, this ultimate plan that they're talking about pertains to the boxing.In America, other than boxing, you don't get much more for your DeZone subscription.you do get you know if you're in i know i know in in france they're the home of league one i know initaly they have seria i know in japan it's very popular but what they're announcing here withthis ultimate plan is just about the boxing and so i i don't know how it's going to work i think ultimatelyi think i think boxing has to figure out you know how they're how they're going to make this as
03:49:03accessible as possible to the fans the best events in the world are never in front of apaywall, except combat. The biggest NFL game, the biggest Premier League game, the biggestNBA game, the biggest World Series game, they're always available to the most amount of peoplepossible, but for whatever reason in combat, it's behind the paywall, which then stunts its growth.There was once a time where it was in front of the paywall. It was on ABC on a Monday night.Ali Frazier fought on a Monday night at Madison Square Garden on ABC, and it was available tothe world. And that's when boxing was boxing. The UFC is now moving away from that.And I've always said the UFC was the last one left.
03:49:42If the UFC is out of the pay-per-view game,then everyone should be out of the pay-per-view game.They're the last commodity leftthat even wrestling couldn't do it anymoreon a consistent basis, WWE,because it was a little bit too watered down.There were too many shows.There was no reason you would easily be able to skip
03:49:56and go watch on Monday and catch up.UFC, like, you have to,you want to watch Islam versus JDM.This is a pay-per-view card.And more often than not,I think the product is pay-per-view worthy.Now, am I average?to pay for it? No. Do I wish you didn't have to pay for it? No. Yes, obviously, $80 a lot,
03:50:14and we're moving away from that. And so if they're moving away from it, I think boxingshould move away from it, how they get that done, how they figure that out. That's somethingthat the zone has been trying to figure out for a decade now. I don't know. I don't know howthey do it, but I understand. The change won't come from the zone. The change will come fromthe fans. The change will come from more people like this person saying, I'm not participatingin this. That's the only way this will ever change. The same way the only way any of thethe habits of the UFC will ever change is if viewership goes down or people were not payingfor pay-per-views. And we saw people not paying for paper reviews. The result of that was them
03:50:48getting rid of paper views. This is how these things change. You have to hold to accountthe organizations that are promoting these things and you have to vote with your dollars. If youdon't want to buy paper views, you have to not buy paper views. But if you go, maybe I'll buythis one and then you buy it, you're sending the message that you can be convinced to buy it.And so buy what you truly want and don't for anything else.But he's 100, I don't know where Marco lives, but like, I went to watch Parker Wardleyand I was like, what?Yeah, yeah.
03:51:17A Talma White.I think it was off the dome.I think it was in the 40s.Oh, shit.Atama white, like, most of Atama, like, most of Atama should not be behind a paywall.Like, what are we doing?No.You know what I mean?
03:51:29No, you should drink as many oil balls on them.Yes.Shouldn't be behind a paywall anywhere, by the way.Like, not even in the UK.HBO, did you have to pay an additional fee for the pay-per-view on top of the Crem de la Crem yes.The Cremd-L-Crem-Dle-Crem, yes.Mayweather?Mayweather on the come-up, no.
03:51:47Mayweather, Delahoya, yes.May-wether, Pachial, May-Way-Wather Hatton, like those types of fights, yes.But there were a ton of...Full price, $80 or whatever?It wasn't that much.It was never that much.It was in the 40s, 50s.But, you know, the Roy Jones fights, Bernard.
03:52:05like there were a ton back of the day wherethat was just with HBO wasHBO championship boxingdo do do do do do do do do do doyou love that shitit was the best it was the freaking bestand they've never been able to recreate itand I think part of the problem is
03:52:19you would happily pay for HBObecause you got so much other shitI mentioned the shows you also got moviesthis is also a different era rightmovies weren't you don't have like Netflixand stuff like that like you wanted to watch ityou would go to HBO and be like what are they playingright now right oh wow they're playing
03:52:35Home Alone, too. I'll watch that for the time. Game of Thrones. Yeah. Later on.I mean, you mentioned Netflix. There's no better point of comparison orthing to point to to go, their model is not that, right? Their model is we're going to puton even bigger fights. We're going to put on the biggest fights that you could possibly make,and it's part of your subscription. And so it can be done, but it requires a restructuringof everything. And the only way to get there is by voting with your dollars.Any super chats, Frank, before we go.All right.
03:53:07Petit, what's it like being on this late?I mean, you're never on the slate.Yeah, I mean, I'm going to probably have to take the next week off.Yeah, okay, that's a good point.Monday after a paper review.Which does?What else?The first one.
03:53:21Hey, Ariel and the boys in the back.Do you think, think the UFC shoulder implement some type of requirements for agents likeKiki, how the NBA did for the agents?I mean, you don't have, you could.No, I think they do this on purpose.They know I can't read right.or can't read good, so they do the simple.All right.
03:53:38No, read or write.You can't do either.There's no, there's no barrier of entry,and it would be interesting.If I want to be an MMA manager or agent at 5 o'clock today,I could be one in 10 seconds, right?If I want to be an NFL agent, an MLB agent, an NBA agent,you have to be certified, you have to go.
03:54:01Malky Kawa told us all about this.He was an MMA guy,and then he wanted to be an NFL guy, and he passed it.You just have to go through it.And so there's a sort of system, a checks and balances.It would be interesting, I just don't know.There's so many things that are so wild west about the fight game and the UFC in particular in boxing,where this would be, I think, a very tough one to enforce.
03:54:23There's no larger entity that would put you through this system.It would be the UFC, and then that would create conflict because they would stop people from getting inwho they don't like.I mean, they already do it now.They say, hey, we're not going to deal with your manager.Like, they literally say that to fighters.So either get a new one or you're fucked.So they already, they already, you know, flex their muscles when it comes to these negotiations.
03:54:49There's no greater entity out there.And so I wouldn't want someone having to apply to the UFC to get in because then theywould be picking and choosing even more.What else, Frankie?What else?Raker Frank, have you guys watched Predator Badlands yet?I remember one of you guys being a big fan of Alien.Frankie?
03:55:06I have not seen it yet.Rick?I've seen it.Good?It was quite good.I enjoyed it.Why are you so subdued in your review?Well, Frank was the one they were talking about.
03:55:17Well, they said Rick or Frank, the big alien fan.I am a huge alien fan, which I have to ask.I know that there was an AVP, which I don't acknowledge.So I don't know why being an alien fan makes me a predator fan, but I happen to be both.Yeah, it was good.Worth a watch, I recommend.What else, Frank?What else?
03:55:35watched Pfeiffer and Ben interview on MMAhour. Looks like they are both in a goodplace in and outside the ring cleach.Oh yeah. There was one Connor Beninterview where he was very emotional.Joe Pfeiffer has been through a lot of yet hisdocumentary. Man, a lot of people are rewatchingthe old stuff, huh? I guess it
03:55:50still hits. Still gotit after allthese years.What else, Frankie?Turning Mr. Miyagi's question into a DanaWhite hate rant was a masterpiecelaughing emoji. Was it reallya hate rant? I mean, I'm just trying to
03:56:07explain. There's no hate here,okay? It just, you know, we're notsick offense like some otherpeople. We tell it like it is.We call it down the middle.We're the number one unbiasedcombat sports platform on the planet.Most fair. Yeah, most fair.
03:56:23Most fair. That's right. Fair and balance.We're supposed to challenge power. Did they realize that?Yeah, that's what journalism meant to be.Yes.For sake. He's the most powerful mind in combat sports.We're meant to be like, oh,you should be questioned some of this. You know what I mean?That's part of the fucking gig.
03:56:36Yeah.You know what I mean?I was going to say something vulgar there, so I'm just going to stop the music.What is it?What is it?What is it?Journalism without text of balance is just PR.That's right.
03:56:47We don't work to PR.There's fucking plenty of that in this sport.Yeah.We're not Antoine Evans.A lot of soren knees on press row.Yeah.What was B Dave doing over there?Huh?
03:57:00A lot of trumpet players on press row.That's right.Say that much.What else?I'm killing them.Dan's bucket, sorry.Dan's busted slapping his wife as slap was making their network debut.Then a gambling debt story right after a betting scandal.
03:57:19Is he the most successful train wreck of all time?I mean, what happened with the slap?Nothing.And nothing's going to happen.Like, I think a lot of people are going crazy over this gambling story.And I think that, look, is it the best look?No.But he, like, it's not like he hides this.
03:57:34he openly flaunts it he openly flunts it it's not it's not some great mystery being unearthed sowho's dan i think he meant dan's right here uh it uh those two things are also not equivalent rightdana white on tape slapping his wife is he's not involved and as far as i know like the truthmay be revealed and there may be something different he's not involved in that other scandal rightThe other scandal at the moment is being investigated as a fighter taking it upon themselves to do something.Sure.His gambling debts and his degeneracy is also legal.Yeah, that's up to him how he does that.
03:58:12Yeah.The other one is FBI investigation, obviously, highly illegal.Yeah.And also, there was an irony, I guess, that he would get caught in camera doing this and then the league.But, like, that, if anything, that should have affected his actual day job.Right.Not the new thing, but anyway.What else, Frankie?
03:58:33Just saw John's White House promo video convinced Dana doesn't want him on the cardand he's trying to gain momentum through the media, played himself.Yeah, I saw this video out there.I didn't listen to the audio, so I don't know if there's...But, yeah, he's going hard on the paint.Again, and I meant to check in on this, and I promise I will.To me, the big question is, is a White House or bust?Is a White House or bust?
03:58:54If he doesn't get on the White House card, is that it?Is he done?And is it White House or Bust for the UFC as well?Like, you know, are they open to putting them on another card?Where does this all stand?The fact that he told that guy in that interview was the no, no scripts pod.No scripts podcast.D.C.'s favorite.
03:59:14Is it really no scripts or is it no corners?No scripts.We would know.You're going to tell us what the name of it is.I'm sorry, sorry.The fact that he said he had not talked to him.To breaking bread with Nick.Since June, right?
03:59:25Since June is crazy.since like this all went downso anywayhe's tryingdid you guys see the videois it any goodI did not see ityeah
03:59:35did you see itnowhat videooh you guys are a videoapparentlywhere John isyeah yeahhe's posted a video
03:59:43of him saying likeI want to be on the white houseI'm doing a show hereand I saw itwhat are you guys doing backis it full like video productionoh you're talking about likethe like sort of like ad combo thing
03:59:53yeah it's like his pitchto be on the White House cardhe just postedoh where he's likelike, yeah, maybe I'll fight on a certain somebody's lawn, but the whole time I'll be drinkingketo tone energy. Yeah, it was kind of like a combo with an ad. Oh, it was an ad? Weird.Well, anyway, he's trying. Who's on the blower there, PT?I'm not you muted yourself, huh? Trying to look for the video. Okay, well, that's a good video.
04:00:17What else, Frankie? What else?Connor, let me train you, the trainer slash fan LT. Oh. Is that Connor McGregor?It must be because they didn't spell it.Is that Lawrence Taylor?I think it was Anthony Rodriguez.Oh, right.Oh, shit.What else, Frankie?
04:00:33What else?If CBC asked Ariel to bring one member of the A8 show along with him to the Olympics,to excel alongside him and make the content A++, what would he pick?That would be fun.What if we all go?You all want to go to Livigno?Yeah.Milancortina.
04:00:48Milano Cortina.But then it's like, you fly to Milan and then you have to go four hours into the mountains.They were telling me, like, this is going to be a trek.I was like, oh, thanks, guys.Countryside, I'm down.Who wants it?Did you tell them that you're a native speaker?Sign me up, I said.
04:01:02I mean, I'm going to be like, you know, one of their own.Are you okay with the track?Okay, does it all.I think Frank's like he's 10 out of 10 when it comes to audio.He fixes everything.He doesn't get upset or in his feelings if you make any sort of suggestion or critique.So I feel like he would be the best one.He's a great co-pilot in your car.
04:01:24Great co-pilot is down.You know, he's...Spin the block.Yeah, yeah.Go for a ride, yep.He's DTF, you know.Well, what?Whoa, what are you doing?
04:01:35Why would you know that?He's down for anything, down for anything.That's not the...Who got cracked?He's DFT.Down for...DFA.DFA.
04:01:46Oh, down for anything?Yeah.DTF and then the video of you getting cracked by Action Bronson.Getting cracked.Jesus Christ.Crazy work today.Why cracked?Why is that?
04:01:56that bad. No, you can't say that anymore.You can't say you got cracked.That doesn't work. What's that?What? Seriously?No, you can't.I have a show called the crack. I need to know.No, no. It's cracked.It's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
04:02:09What does it mean?Oh, I feel like I hear, by the way, I feel like I hear this in fighting sports all the time.Like, oh, he cracked them.Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's different contact.Like, if you see it happening and you can identify what it is, it's not.But, like, say, say, say, say, say, JDM knocks out Islam, like, we wouldn't say, say,wouldn't say like you all see jdm crack in islam no but what about y'all see jdm crack islam nono what you guys are weird i like the crack is by the way you guys i think i know it is
04:02:36i said one time i said suss and you guys like ah no that was me because i feel like you're whatyou didn't quite have the full grasp on so old i just don't understand anything anymore i'm justfucking lost completely you know what i mean uh what i'll crack you what else i sussie umAriel 499, 150 characters, 999, 200 characters,1999, 250 characters.Good point, actually.I didn't think about that.What is he talking about?
04:03:01No, he's making...Ariel 4...What does that even mean?I thought it might have something good in Superchats.I don't know.No, it makes sense.Moving on.Yeah, I mean, that dude, I don't even know if he's a Blue Jays fan,
04:03:12but he's masquerading as one.I'm just watching Ireland get more irritated as Snapchat's coming in.What else, Frankie?What else?A pound for pound, worst jail pronunciation ever is...on us oh yeah yeah yeah j check yet her j sick yeah oh yeah j sick is a that's fuckingby the way when we when we did the show together and this was less of a gimmick because now i kind ofenjoy it i would always have a mental like a mental battle like do i correct them do i not you
04:03:39know we do ari on the bad guy and he would go on a rant about someone i'm like am i thatguy should i be that guy but now i just feel where do you sit now is it on purpose or is it ais it 50 is it is it like everything with chill where it's shades of gray whereI think he's in on it I think he's in on it yeah I think he's in on it which I love itI think he used to smile on the old show right like he'd say it and you could see it get intoyou and you'd do like a little and he would get irritated I mean there was a period thereat the beginning where like he would really get mad at me like really get mad at me well thenit's then it's a real thing because his whole he was so used to me interviewing him
04:04:16he wasn't used to me actually like challenging him on thingsand that was the show.The show was supposed to be like a debate showand he would get so mad.He's like, what do you do?And I was like, I don't think this showis going to last.I think this is going to end
04:04:29at a month because he would get so madbut then we figured it out.We figured it out.And it worked out.I think it worked out well.What else, Frankie?What else?The way Dana holds a fork
04:04:37is absolutely insane.I can't say that I noticed that.I didn't notice either.Is that from the Breaking Bread show?Yeah, I snagged a picture of it.Oh, you did?Yeah, Breaking Bread.I just threw it in the,
04:04:50in the slack show.Oh, okay.Oh, yeah, I see that.Let's show that to the audience.It's, uh, I think it's actually like very, um,it's almost like he's holding a, a paint brush.Yeah, he's holding it down like a pencil?It's a bit artistic.
04:05:03Okay, there's that one.I'm looking at another one here.Yeah, that one.Yeah.Okay, so how would you hold a fork?A chopstick kind of.Like this?There's nothing wrong about how he's already.
04:05:12Are you not knowing how to hold, are you not knowing how to hold a fork right now?No, I'm just, now, it's playing tricks with my mind.Because I'm looking at that and I'm like, what's wrong withThat's a pen, right? Your hand is this way.Like this? No, the other way.You hold a fork like this.Okay, and what's he doing?The other way. He's holding it like, like a pencil.
04:05:33Is he lefting?Oh, yeah, he is lefting. It's a pencil hold.Dana's a Southpaw?Have we known this?It's like an artisanal fork.Yeah, it is a nice fork.It is a nice fork.I don't know. I'm kind of with them.
04:05:47Now that I think about it, like when I put my hand.over? I think we're getting thrown off by thelefty hold, the Southpaw, like you said.I kind of feel like I'm holding it the same way.What? Stab a couple of raviolis.Look at the hands. Your hand is not facing downwardon the fork? There's nothing wrong with this.A couple of raviolis. A couple raviolis.
04:06:06Put it in.Now, I have an issue if he'scutting something, then this is problematic.Yeah, just a couple.What's this? I see another screenshot ofa piti here, looking puzzled.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.I added that in earlier because we were talking about something that.
04:06:24To be fair, this is how he looks most of the time.This was a subject that was not even in the slightest bit serious, and this is how he looked.That's my, by the way, that's my reaction.I'm seeing the ghost of Jordan pop up in the slack.He threw in a Ali Abdelaziz clap back at me.Is that what that is?I missed all of this.My brother, my brother, Aidan Ross, came and stepped on the mats.
04:06:49he earned everyone's respect.But if you don't have the courageto step on the matts and train,you should shut your mouth.Is this a response to me?There's multiple inaccuracies here.Who is to check?Who is to check, Bob?
04:06:59Let's go back to it.Let me just dissect it real quick.So he came and stepped on the mats.He earned everyone's respect.Cool.I mean, I'm sure you invited himand there was interview,but that's fine.
04:07:08I mean, I had no problem with Aidan Ross.The issue was you masquerading as the main characterwhen you have a litany of guyswho can use the rub from Adenand who could have rolled with himand submitted him,but yet you wanted to flex on himand when you did flex on him,
04:07:27you're trapping his armand you're ignoring multiple taps.Now, as far as the second part of that is concerned,I don't have the courage to stop on the matts.Does that mean like you've invited meand I've declined?And second of all, training,you know nothing about me.
04:07:40I've talked about that I go to the gymand that I do stuff,so you know nothing about me.So I won't shut my mouthif that's what you're talking about.But here's the thing about Alithat you guys may not know.Have you ever thought yourself, like,
04:07:53why is it that we only hear from Alias far as MMA managers are concerned?Have you noticed that?Like, you don't really hear much from,you know, Lloyd Pearson or Danny Rubinsteinor Abe Kawa.You never hear from Malki these days as well.Jason House does very little interviews.
04:08:11I'm listing the big names, right?And yet you notice that you always see Ali interviews.You'll see him pop up on that.this channel on that channel like you consistently hear it and what he does is he'll reach out to youand say i want to come on or put me on and if you want to get this guy then you have to put me onthat's what you'll do trust me i know i experienced it for many many years incessant put me on put me on putme on i want to respond to this i want to respond so that's just the mentalitymain character syndrome the mentality is that i want the limelight i want to be as famous as
04:08:44popular one of the guys i want i want that i want that attentionAnd so this is just an extension of that.That's not me being a hater.That's exactly who he is.I experienced it for many, many years.And then he'll pull those people awayand he'll pull, you know, he'll pull,even though it benefits them from being on shows,
04:09:00he'll pull that away because he wants that power.He wants that influence.And so here's just another example of him saying like,ooh, there's a camera here.There's a famous person here.Let me roll with him and let me tap him out.Wow.Wow.
04:09:14What a flex.What an impressive, impressive feat that was.that you tapped out Aidan Ross and ignored multiple taps and went a little hard on him.I know that he's saying now, like, oh, that's my brother, you know, he was cool to me.Yeah, of course, he invited you there.But like, come on, man.You know exactly what I'm talking about.You know exactly what you do.
04:09:33You know exactly who you are.I mean, look at the behavior.And look at every other manager in this sport.How they, like a normal manager would be in the shadows and orchestrate and say,hey, you go with him and you get the rub from him.and that's allthis is not that big of a dealit ain't that serious
04:09:50but I saw thatand I was likeoh my godhe's the exact same guynothing's changednot even remotelythe biggest streamersin the world
04:09:58to film him do thisso I meanwhat do you meandon't talk about itthat's exactly whatyou've broughta massive audienceto watch this
04:10:05and then I sawsome people be likeoh you didn't even watchitshow metell me you didn't watchwithout tell me you didn't watchyeah
04:10:13you think I was sitting thereof courseyou got me there guysI didn't watchthe six-hour fucking stream. I did seea clip of Ali rolling with a guywho knows nothing about jiu-jitsuand him going hard on him and
04:10:25ignoring multiple tweets and thenjust being like,no one's impressed.It's a pathetic move.I almost wish I didn't see that.Thanks, Jordan, wherever you may be.Do you have anything else? We should clarify, though,also ghost of Jordan. Jordan's still
04:10:41with us? No, I know, I know. And we lovethem dearly. We do love Jordan. We do love Jordan.What else, Frankie? What else?Hey, Jordan.AH, big fan here.Frank's killing it with the drops.The tie one is number one.Who's to check is number two.
04:10:55What's the origin of who said it?Nosed a few episodes due to a heart attack in September.But I'm back and ready for 322.Oh, my dear.Dude, a heart attack in September.Is that what he said?Yeah.Damn.
04:11:10We're okay, Thomas.We love you, Thomas.Get well soon.oh tie to is it is it the wait yeah he's asking about the the who uh james the hoon yeah yeah yeahwe've done this a few times recently okay yeah yeah yeah i think he's asking who's to check nowhat's what's the origin of who's to check bob aram my famous interview with him are infamous atyankee stadium and uh it's before uh pacia margarito and they um we're talking aboutufc and their pay-per-view numbers and he
04:11:43He says that UFC 100 didn't really do 1.7, as was reported.And I'm like, are you trying to say that they lied?And he's like, yeah, who's the check?It's not public.It's a great moment.And it's one that I still quote till this day with my wife.I do want to clarify something that actually wasn't the ghost of Jordan.That is Dan, who is filling in very well for Jordan, but under his name.
04:12:06So that's why I was like, why did Jordan put this into here?So I apologize, Dan.Thank you for rile me up with that tweet.That's a great find.That's a great fine.Thank you.So Jordan's slacking is what we're saying here.No, it's...
04:12:16Jordan's at home being like, what the fuck did I do it?I guess the pun is slacking.I'll get on to him now.We'll let that happen again.Yeah, get them on the blower there real quick.No one cares about any of this, but I do want to clarify that.Okay, one last one.Yeah, this one's from Anna Evans.
04:12:32Oh, Antoine.Why is Antivon catching strays?We love that.But he says stays because, again, they're trying.Keep trying.I'll fuck them up each time.No, no, no.I think that's part for the course for that.
04:12:45You know, a little typo here, a little typo there.I love it.All right.Are we done?You tell us, bud.It's your show me.It feels longer when it's pitch black outside, right?It feels much longer.
04:12:59I agree.When it's a summer night, it's okay.When it's a summer day, it's like, but there's something about.There's kids going to school here.It feels like it's 10 o'clock right now.It's not that late.It's only 5'15.It is.
04:13:10It's quarter of 10.Yeah, that's a good point.That's a good point.Pizzi's got the warm milk waiting for him.It's very rare that we get a chance to have Pizzi plug the crack.So at this hour on a Wednesday.So what do you got for us?Well, you know, it's the same show every week.
04:13:26Chuka Ben will be there.This is a great point.Pretty good.You know what I mean?We actually have too many listeners.So if you're not in already, we can't take any more.So don't come.And this is an East Coast pay-per-view, so you'll be able to react to the WANs, some high-stakes on Friday.
04:13:41on Friday.Yeah, lads in their pants.We will have the video of them in their pantsand we'll be saying,whoa, look at him.Look at that one.I mean, there's a lot of weigh-in, you know, topics here.There's Islam moving up to 170.
04:13:55There's Zhang Wei moving up to 125.Anyway, great, great, great promotion there.We're going to talk about all of that.We're going to talk about all of that on the show.Boys in the back.Boys in the back on Thursday, 415, sub-BITV.BITB.The pound for pound is?
04:14:09Greatest Grapplers.MMA GrapplersWhat was that?Usually there's like a New YorkYeah, there is.Okay.Look at the grapplers on this card.All right.
04:14:20Sean Brady.Isom Machetechette.Most important, one o'clock Eastern,10 in the West,six in Eta,Fight Feast, FTD,Fight Feast, the movie,premiering on the channel
04:14:33and the boys will come on afterwards.It's going to be a movie, my friends.Thank you very much for our guest today.Big John McCarthy, Jalen Turner,Garth A. DaviesandI forgetJames to Huno?
04:14:47Yeah, come on, guys.Tell me who was the last guestof the day?No one's listening to me.Tim Walsh.Shout out to Tim Bo.Thanks to all of you.Thanks to...
04:14:56Is everyone okay?Did everyone go home?I mean, at this point, it's so long.You almost have to play the music again, Frank.Give me just like the final 10 secondsso I can...Wow, they actually did leave.Like, they're actually gone.
04:15:08They're actually not there.Like, literally not a single one.one of them is there. Back to our city time. This is a bit somebody here.
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