The Ariel Helwani Show - UFC betting scandal, Jon Jones calls Tom Aspinall 'overrated,' Jake Paul's next fight | The Boys in the Back

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

The Boys in the Back begin the show with some news and notes, including Reug Reug being forced to withdraw from ONE 173 due to a car accident (01:13), Claressa Shields signing a massive new promotional deal (02:58), and more.Next, The Boys break down Jon Jones' recent comments about Tom Aspinall being a "one-trick pony" and "overrated" (4:58), before digging deeper on the UFC's betting scandal and the potential impact to the MMA gambling ecosystem (17:59).After speculating on who Jake Paul will end up fighting next (46:20), the Boys preview UFC Vegas 111 (56:40), then close the show with their P4P rankings of fight siblings (1:17:19), voicemails (1:36:34), and Super Chats (2:20:06).

What is good? We are back. This is good. We are back with another episode of the Boys in the Back this time Thursday, November 6th. And we've got a lot to discuss on this program. I am one-third of the Boys in the Back. Connor, Berks, joined along. As always, the man, the myth, the legend. Mr. New York, Rick, kind of gave a weird pause there between my first and last name. I said, Conner, Berks. You're feeling all right? Wait for it, Berks. The final third, Frankie, how are we doing back there, brother? You know, I'm doing great. I appreciate you asking me. Yeah, of course, man.

Of course. I know you've been struggling this week. That's fucking illegal. Shout out, shout out. We'll talk about some things that are illegal later on in the program. We'll get a UFC Apex 111 preview. Hopefully not as many headlines coming out of this card as the one last week. No, more.

Give me more. some other news around the sport. Pound for pound, best sibling fighters. We'll explain why we're doing that later on. I feel like it's kind of obvious, though, if you have any idea who's on this Apex card this weekend. But let's start with some news and notes around the sport. We're losing a couple of fights.

One this weekend involving Adrian Yannes. He is out against Christian Quignoñez. And he was supposedly offered a replacement fight from someone outside of the UFC and subsequently turn that down, said that his managers and coaches advised him not to so we will not be seeing

Adrian Yanez on the card this weekend as you can see manager and coach didn't want it for once I'm actually listening to them even though I was telling them I wanted the fight it's crazy because I was at the UFC PI all day

he was there as well could have said something to me then the he is there as well as in referral to Alan Bogoso MMA 9 and 3 fighter who is not in the UFC looking to make a shot so he is out We also lost Roug Roug, unfortunately, man.

He was in a car accident, wishing him a speedy recovery. He is out of his world title rematch against Anatoly Malkin at 1-173. So hopefully a speedy recovery, and we can see that rematch happen in short order. 1-1-173 is a nice card. He's got Rogtang, Superbont, Stampharetex, Christian Lee. Yeah, there's the card without the Roug-Rug. and it's only Malkin fight. But still, a solid showing for one championship.

A pay-per-view, actually. I think it's $40 in the States. It really could have used Rougg and Malkin, to be completely honest. But just at this moment, all we can hope is, you know, one's message at a serious car accident. So that's all I can think about. I believe I saw some pictures of him at the hospital. And, like, he had, you know, things all taped up to open everything.

So, yeah, hopefully a speedy recovery for Rouging. never want that to happen. And then some breaking news we got today. I'll actually let you handle this one. Your favorite fighter. One of my favorite fighters. My favorite? Your quote. Definitely my quote. Definitely my greatest woman of all time. Clarissa Shield signing a massive deal, um, according to Sportico. So, uh, eight million dollars for a record breaking deal for a female boxer. Shout out to Clarissa Shield's getting that back. Yeah, it's incredible. Uh, that's an insane amount of money, joins Dimitri Salida and team, I believe. Yeah, well, she was with Dimitri, so re-signing and then with the record company. So yeah. You know better than me. Shut up.

Yeah. You are the resident Clarissa Shields expert here. Somebody has to, you know, keep everybody accountable and recognize the quote. But yes, shout, look, Clarissa Shields, she continues. She is very brash. She is very confident. She is braggadocious. There are people who don't like that. But whether you like it or not, she is doing things. women's boxing on her own that not fair to say on her own with her promotion but like her being the star of the show that people have not done previously like she continues to elevate women's boxing right we obviously see now like MVP coming into the into the fold and working with katie taylor and amanda serrano and the combined power of that and jake paul's presence and being able to elevate

women's boxing but cloressa shields has been on an island kind of doing it on her own headlining massive shows selling out Little Caesar's Arena like she is one of the biggest names in boxing male or female and she is able to kind of command that attention and so another another feather in the cap for her who I believe kind of gets underrepresented and why this like fandom from me has built up but another feather in the cap for Clarissa Shields shout out to her congratulations to her as well that is a that is a massive deal massive accomplishment Back to MMA, John Jones joined the No Scripps podcast. I believe the full episode is dropping today via their social media.

But some clips started surfacing, some hot button topics. And he commented on two of the biggest names in the sport right now, Tom Aspinall and Alex Pereira. Here's what he had to say in regards to Tom Aspinall. Talk to me about what you saw in his fight with Gan. Because Gan looked like he was controlling the fight. What's a role going? Yeah. Tom's a great athlete.

But I do feel like he's a one-trick pony. believe that his wrestling in jujitsu is incredibly overrated he has a beautiful one too i got to learn a lot about his patterns in his last fight that that's really about it that's the one thing that he's setting up real nice he couldn't touch surreal gain at all that's the way i felt i felt like gain was just getting warmed up game's hands was down he's shaking his shoulders bouncing around he was touching him he was touching that jab he was so he busted him open he was so comfortable i think tom was looking for a way out and he took it he needs to change his game crazy take uh yeah and there that's any podcaster that has probably not fought in a UFC fight before.

I mean, this isn't surprising for John Jones to say this. He ran through Cyril gone, made it look easy, hot knife through butter, Tom Assel. Serial gain. Seral gain. I mean, he was standing right there when Bruce Buffer, when he fought him, and Bruce Buffer was like, God! That's neither here nor there. This is expected from him, though. I mean, he ran through Cyril gone.

Tom Aspernel struggled with him, was going to lose that first round. got the eye poke and it ends in a no contest he's not going to be like well let's wait and let's wait and see let's say let's wait and see the only pushback i'll give is it's just like okay he's a one-trick pony all right he just has a one-two that's all he has why not just fight him obliterate him kill all the duck allegations and make 30 million on the way and be considered the goat if i'm playing devil's advocate or if i'm sitting in john jones seat he would say it's not a big enough fight they're you know i want alice prayer i want the white house and yada yada yada this to feels a little bit different at least than the

I patch and the Twitter and the this and that right from the perspective that yes John is going to try to downplay Tom Aspinall's accomplishments and what Tom Aspenol is able to do but he also we also have to give credence to

we also have to respect analysis from the greatest fighter of all time looking at Tom Aspinall and going I see some holes in the game right if this was Demetrius Johnson if this was George St. Pierre we, and they're not connected to Tom in that way, we'd take it seriously, right?

There is, there, Kane Velasquez came on the show with Ariel and was like, look, I see some areas that, that Tom could improve. We take that seriously. John is of that level. John is, John is a savant. He is the cream of the crop, the highest level of MMA that we have. So when he's actually making like a real point, when he's going, I see some holes here, I think this could be cleaned up,

you do have to give it credibility as opposed to just the like taking a jab, taking a jab, taking a jab, taking a jab. The only thing I'll push back on that is that, like, it wasn't like, I see some holes here. It was almost the inverse. It was like, he's got a one-two. Yeah, he has nothing. He has nothing other than that. Other than a one-two.

I don't, I certainly do not agree with one-trick pony. It is fair to say, though, though, we don't, we still don't know a lot about Tom Aspinall. We really don't. And Tom's the first one to say it. Tom's like, I'm begging somebody to take me into deep waters. And it seemed like maybe we were going to get it for the first time. but he's been begging people to take him into deep waters because he wants to show the levels to his game

he wants to show the other things that he's capable of unfortunately we didn't get that opportunity and neither did Tom but this to me is a little more palatable this to me is a little more understandable from John being like look I saw that fight and I didn't think it was going his way it's fair it's fair from John

while also you have to include the context that he is going to do whatever it takes to downplay Tom Aspinall as well yeah it's like you mentioned the DJs the GSP's and everything like that. Like, I think we would view it differently if they were speaking about someone that there's a clear inherent bias.

For sure. But yeah. So, yeah, John Jones, not interested in Tom Aspinall. No. Down plays it. Yeah. One trick pony.

All he's got is the one, too. What he is interested in, though, is the current UFC light heavyweight champion. Sitting right behind Mr. New York, Rick, lurking in the shadows there. Alex Prairie, he had this to say about a potential matchup with him at the White House. It's a big card you keep talking about

that you want to be on a White House card, right? Yeah, dude. Who do you want for that? You want Pereira? I like to fight Alex Pereira, at the White House. Yeah. I feel like he's incredibly respectful. I feel like he's a household name in America, an M&A.

Everybody knows who he is. He's a champion. He's in the conversation of being one of the greatest fighters of all time. It would be a blockbuster event. I think the whole world would come out. I beat many Brazilians over the course of my life. Many. It's the people that have beat the most

Either way that fight were to go No one loses in that fight It generates so many millions for the sport There's just no losing When you have such high level People competing who respect each other All right so we see this We see him talking to DBX last week

About how he would love to fight On the White House looking dead down the barrel of the camera Dana I'm practicing man I'm training I'm healthy I'm ready to go You can count on me for that card And now he's essentially calling out

Alex Pereer who has mentioned shared interest in fighting against John Bones-Jones at the White House. I think what was the emoji? The Stonehead. Yep. The bone. The bone equals House. Yeah. It's interesting, man. It would be a massive fight. He's not wrong. It would generate a lot of money, and it would be a lot of eyes on this sport. When everybody was on the Tom Aspinall v. John is the biggest fight in the sport train. There was one voice out there. There he is. He's sitting right here.

Alex versus John has always been the fight for me. what's interesting to me is when John gets hold of a narrative when John feels like he has something with it it can't leave his mind it can never escape with the Steppe Miotrich fight it was I'm going to beat the heavyweight goat

and it was just over and over a repetition of this it's like John but what about Tom Aspinall he's actually probably the better heavyweight right now like he's a tough test no the heavyweight goat this is legacy this is about this and once John gets that narrative it's set that's it and so now he's on this track where Tom Aspinall is going to lose to Cyril Gaon, one-trick pony, not interesting, not a big fight, not a household name.

Listen to the terminology that he uses when he's talking about Alex Pereira, right? It's like it's blockbuster. He's a household name. Everybody knows him. This is not by accident. That he doesn't hit on with Tom Aspenal. He's respectful. He should always be like, I just feel like Tom Aspinall hasn't earned his keep in this game and he just isn't a respectful fighter and everything like that.

So I don't want to match him. I don't want to give him that payday. I don't want to give him that highlight of all. he fight John Jones, whereas he talks about Alex Prairie, he's like, ah, he's a very respectful champion. He also is the current light heavyweight champion, which John held for a very long time, and that was his division. And so the narrative makes sense. Like, John's not like talking shit. John's not making up nonsense here, but it is very clear that he has set his sights on White House and Alex Perre, and Tom Aspinall is not even in the equation. And that's consistent

where he was before. But what's interesting to me is also just the idea that, no matter what is said from now until then this this is already like john's mind is made on this like this is the direction there isn't going to be another way that this goes if tom aspinall comes back and blows the doors off cyril gone in 10 seconds i don't think john jones is going to all of a sudden go ah you know what it's actually tom as well like this this train has left the station and if you're the ufc you could do a lot worse than that fight headlining the white house now certainly connor mcgregor john jones those are the two biggest names that you can have. And so if Connor's available, personally, I think Connor's going to be a bigger fight.

I just think Connor McGregor is the biggest name in combat sports and still and will continue to be. It's not even remotely close. And so you do that. But save of that, if Connor McGregor cannot go, John Jones, no-brainer. First call, we need you right now. You've got Alex Pereira. Let's do it. And if you're Alex, like, there's no way you're turning that opportunity down. A, I agree with you that John Jones, Alex Pereira is White House worthy headline main event. I actually did want to point out

like Alex Pereira gets that opportunity. Could you imagine that? It's just like, oh, you're going to fight John Jones at the White House? Like what this guy is speed running through MMA? ACD, MMA actually tweeted this out this morning. Four years ago, he made his debut at MSG. In that time, 12 fights,

eight finishes, six title fight wins, two division world champion, six world champions beaten, eight pay-per-view headliners, including UFC 300 and International Fight Week, three-time UFC champ, 24 fighter of the year, headline MSG twice. And then it would be fighting John Jones at White House, maybe beating John Jones at White House,

setting up Tom Aspinall Heavyweight Championship fight. Just rock with me here. Becomes first guy to actually defeat John Jones at the White House. Somewhere Dominic Reyes is very mad at you right now. sets up shout out to Dominic Rayos shout out

to Stony Brook sets up heavyweight title fight at MSG next year Alex Pereira somehow

beats Tom Asman all becomes heavyweight champion or Cyril gone first or Cyril gone

first three division champion headlines MSG three times and then Joe Rogan walking over to him gloves are coming off

lays them down five years I'm out the game if that happened If this sequence of events, and it's only two fights that he would... That's all he needs. And they're realistic fights. He could be on this right now.

He would be like a plus 500 against John Jones. Oh, for sure. Put out the line. Like, he would be a massive underdog. He would also be a massive underdog. He would also be a massive underdog to both gone and Aspinol. If he can do it, though, if the Shama, if he can summon the dark magic works. Yeah, the dark magic of the tribe.

And get that done, he is my goat. There is no doubt. Like, that is the greatest career in U.S. history and he would have done it in five years. A tear might come to my eye if that actually happened. Joe Rogan's walking up and he's just unwrapping the gloves, just lays him down and just, no, you know what? He'd be like, and then he's raining down Shama Trades.

Joe Rogan comes over, gives him the mic, there's one more. He starts speaking English. Connor McGregor. He just does every single thing. He just does all of them. The Connor call out. He fights Connor at middleweight. man, it'd be incredible.

But yeah, if Alex Perrick, look, even getting a fight against John Jones at the White House, right? Like, as you said, he'll be a massive underdog. He doesn't even have to win that fight. That's a huge thing for him in his career and his financial security, but also just what he's been able to do for the UFC to this point. He is the reliable guy. Like there have been the Israelas, Sanjas, the Alexander Volkanowski's, the guys that you can just call at any time. For me, he's still number one in that list because when the stakes are the highest, he comes, but not only does he show up. He delivers every single time.

It's a knockout. It's continuing the momentum. And if John Jones is calling him out, it's a no-brainer for me to do it. If he knocks out John Jones to... By the way, I think John Jones could be... I don't think John Jones can be convinced to fight Tom Aspinall.

Not at this moment. I do think John Jones could be convinced to fight Alex Pereira, not at the White House. I do think it's... I don't think that would hinge on the White House. I think he's recognizing something in Alex Perrier in terms of the star power and what he's able to do

that I could see a world where John Jones could come back for a fight with Alex Pereira even if it's not the White House. Now, obviously, if things align, that's like the best case scenario you do that at the White House. But I wouldn't be surprised

to see John versus Alex even not at the White House. We're really getting off on a tangent here but just because we brought up Alex Pereira like this, I have to acknowledge Diego Brandao

fought at Tough Enough again against Kaika Makkah defended his belt two weekends ago and I saw footage of it. We went to tough enough when we were at International Fight Week and we watched Diego Brando

defend his belt there and he was rocking the Alex Pereira custom UFC shorts with the Pereira on and everything like just rocked the Pereira custom shorts

in this next fight Pereira got the updated custom shorts for this past fight he got the he did it custom shorts Diego

shout out to Diego Brando having a incredible career resurgence at tough enough right now trying to defend his belt for a third time in December I think he's

rematching Kaikamaka again really Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a split decision. It was a very close fight. So yeah, shout out to Diego Brando. I didn't think in the first 17 minutes of this show, Diego Brando, and his shorts would have been brought up. But, you know, here we are. No, we just do legends. Alex Perr, John Jones, Rugg, Degro, Diego Brande. Like, there's a lineage there. There's a chain of events. Adrian Yan. Yes, shout out to Dr. Pepper. Also, also the coolest show. All right, so this past week, unless you've been living under Iraq, you have been made aware of this, you have been made aware of this. UFC gambling situations, scandal, controversy, whatever you want to call it, you have been made aware of it. If you have not, though, let's just take you back this past Saturday. UFC Vegas 110, Isaac Dolgarian, was set to face Yadir de Valle, I believe is how you pronounce it.

He opens at a round of minus 250 favorite across all the books, Sunday, all the way through Saturday. He remains there, minus 270, minus 240, depending on what book you had. And then within hours of the fight, it comes crashing down. Some books, like, as you can see here, this is the mean odds via bestfight odds.com. This is all the sports books just averaged together. You can see, it's chilling in that minus 250 to minus 260 range, essentially the entire week. And then it just comes shooting up.

What you should be looking for in this graph is the very end on the right side. Exactly. That straight line up, that is very abnormal. That is not normally how a line moves, especially that close to fight. time. This is what it looks like when it's the percent chance of winning and it's like 99.9.9 and then someone hits a buzzer-beater or something like that.

Something crazy tournament events. That's what it looks like for this. At that point, people on Twitter start noticing obviously people are very tapped into this gambling. Shout out to Brady DFS by the numbers. This is right before the fight is getting ready to start. Isaac Dahlgarian is now minus 145. Obviously joking. FBI

investigate this now. It turns out it wasn't a joke. People are talking about it. Val DeWar who's been tweeting a bunch through this, points out that Fanduil is locking the lines. All you can do is bet on the money line at this point. A very suspect thing for a sports book to do.

And you just had several people being like, this is sketchy. We've seen this before with the Derek Minner, Shiley Ann Nordenbeka fight. What is going on with this? Let's see how this plays out. It plays out. Isaac Dolgarian gets submitted in the very first round.

That obviously sets off a storm. Dana White joined TMZ this week and essentially gave his account of what was happening leading up to the fight. Take a listen. There's no proof that he's done this yet, but I can tell you this, it doesn't look good. It definitely doesn't look good. You know, we approached him before the fight. He and his lawyer, and they denied that anything, you know, from everything, are you hurt? You know, are you injured in any way? Do you owe people money? Have you been asked to do anything? You know, it'll. legal. We asked them all the questions and everything was absolutely not. Hell no. So the fight went on. And then like I said, fight ended by finish in the first round, literally walked out from the octagon into my room in the back and called the FBI. Yeah. So you hear from Dana White

they're giving account of kind of as you're talking about that line moving, what they're doing and what's happening. Important note here is when he talks about going to, and we abbreviated that clip, because that's like a six minute interview with TMZ. As he's talking about going to Isaac and going to Isaac's lawyer, they were alerted by their partner, formerly Integrity, IC360, who is tracking these types of abnormal line movements and activities and flagged it for them. And when the UFC got this information, when Dana White got this information, they went to Isaac and basically said, hey, explain this. Like, what's going on with this line? When he says, are you hurt? it's because we're hearkening back to the Derek Minner fight, right?

Like, Derek Minner, the story of that was that he was supposedly compromised and, like, that's why the action came in that it did because nobody thought he would win that fight, even the people around him, right? And we see fighters fight hurt all the time. I mean, even in championship bouts, the T.J. Dillishaw versus Al J. Stirling, like his shoulder is completely compromised. Jared Gordon just a few weeks ago was fighting after he gets hit by a car the day before the fight. It happens because these guys need the money.

They've gone through these training camps. They've paid all these people. all this work has been put in and so they're still willing to fight compromise but what normally happens in that scenario is they hide that right because you don't want your opponent to know that so you're not if you're T.J. Dilloshal you're not out there going

oh my shoulders fucked up you're going oh I feel great best camp of my life I'm going to kill Al Jameen Sterling and then it comes out right so you don't see that line movement obviously somebody knew something right I'm not suggesting as Dana White said there's no proof yet right we don't have any proof

it's alleged I don't have any proof that Isaac Dalgarian threw the fight. But somebody knew something that led them to believe that this was worth a massive wager for Isaac, who was a very sizable, a moderate-sized favorite, maybe even to the high end,

was going to lose this fight to a guy he should not lose to under normal circumstances, right? So those bets were suspicious and that was what caused the flag to be erased. So when Dana White is saying we asked him and his lawyer, are you hurt, do you need money? Like, something is clearly going on that would lead somebody to believe that

and the UFC and Dana White to believe that. He says that he's been assured by them I'm going to kill this guy. The same things that we're talking about that you would say if you were compromised, I'm going to kill this guy. He goes out and it doesn't go that way.

Following that, Dana White's first move as soon as this happens is to go back and call Cash Patel and the FBI and say, yeah, whatever we were suspecting happened, happened. One more time, Frank.

Federal fucking prison. Yeah. And you have to think, man, Dana White is a incredibly serious dude, and he is not afraid to, like, cut ties with people, do whatever he has to do to keep this business flow. You have to imagine that he wasn't just like, hey, man, like, you all good? Like, yeah. You okay? You would have to think that he's just like, we think something is going on, dude. And if you go out there and something happens, we're going to take action against this. And Dolgarian just kept saying,

nothing's happening. No, man, nothing's going on. So obviously, once he loses in this manner, It's just like all these eyes are on at this point It is to a T how the Derek Minter fight played out That one was just like People start noticing start noticing start noticing And then it's like well let's see how it plays out And then it plays out and it's like Hmm that feels a little bit nefarious

And then you have guys like DC being like What is he doing out there? He's not really fighting the chokes And then you have Michael Keesa Who's obviously very well trained on the ground being like It looks like he's doing white belt shit out there And we know this guy is not a white belt He is so highly regarded by the people

that know how he fights and have trained with him, this performance did not match that guy, right? Has never been finished in the first round, has always had success in the first round, 10-8ed C-Rod on all three judges' scorecards in the first round. Like, it just... He's an elite grappler, elite grappler.

A very, very good grappler. Like, it just doesn't add it up. So people obviously are feeling some type of way, like this does not add up. Obviously, Dana White goes to the back. He calls the FBI. Dolgarian has cut the very next day. and now to this point we're just sort of waiting to see what happens fighters have come out and said oh you know what i was actually offered to take a dive now they've walked a lot of those back because i think that they got a phone call even though they were listing the exact prices that they were getting offered i think it was i think it was who joseph i love how frank in the middle of the most serious conversation we probably ever had a maybe ever had boys in the back it's just dropping this it's tough uh you you mentioned the fighters coming out and dana white talking about that we

actually have a second clip from that TMZ sports interview that he talks about that. So I want to play that now if we can. If you try to do this, I've been very vocal and very open about this, we will be your worst enemy. We will immediately

go after you. Guns ablazing with the FBI and whoever else we need to get. And we will do everything we can to make sure you go to prison. It's like you know, you're seeing things out on the internet where like fighters are coming out and going, oh, I was approached. I was

approached. Really? Why didn't you tell us that? Or more importantly, why didn't you tell law enforcement that you were approached? Now you're saying that you were approached? It's like if somebody comes up and says, hey, I want you to rob a bank. I'm going to rob banks. Want to rob a bank with me? And you don't do what you're not going to tell law enforcement? It's really weird that fighters are coming out now saying they were approached. And they're going to be approached now by the FBI. Yeah, they're going to be approached now. Yeah, I mean, that's all I thought all week when I saw these people tweeting this out for, I mean, nothing more than just like social media cloud essentially at that point. And he's 100% right being like, you want to go tweet this?

You want to go comment on MMA junkies Instagram post about this because you don't want to come to us? You don't want to come to the FBI. The organization, the FBI, any sort of law enforcement, like hey man some like super super sketchy figure came up to me and offered me a hundred thousand dollars in a zip lock bag uh to throw this fight yeah and i would understand look i understand that if every time something shady happened with a fighter running to like dana white or the fbi would just be untenable because this is still the wild wild wild west this sport is still a circus there's probably guys and girls like getting approached for all kinds of crazy shit i can't even imagine what the brand deals and social media and this look like

from all kinds of scam artists and let's do a coin and all the bullshit. You remember for the longest time, Skinny Betts, the Instagram account, the dude who either has a partnership with Steak or just bets a shit ton of money on Steak was paying the fighters to shout them out in their post-fight speeches.

I mean, there was one Apex card where like six different fighters. Shout out to Steak.com. That's where you can go and place your bets and shout out to Skinny Betts. He'll get you the winning tickets and everything. I mean, he's still in the game. He was at the Van Goghap.

Vancouver card and was like dapping up Charles Jordane when he came off of it because he had Charles Jordan by submission. Like these fighters are not difficult to get a hold of like we've said throughout the week. Yeah. And so that's why I would understand why some fighters might be hesitant. But I also understand Dana White's point is like

okay, this is out now and now all of a sudden you're just like running to Twitter to tell everybody, call us, call the FBI. Very clearly Dana White is taking this seriously. Very clearly Dana White is cooperating with the FBI, right? First call as soon as he left Cage side after that fight is to the FBI, there are going to be a lot of people that do have information and do come

forward. And this is, I think the impact that this is going to be felt for a long time. I think there's going to be like monumental changes made if, if bare minimum to the betting and if not just the betting, the sport itself, like the actual regulation of the sport itself. So I think this is going to be widespread. But as you said, Dana White is not fucking around here. He has massive motivations on the line to make sure that this gets nipped in the butt. billions with the Paramount deal. Like, he's getting ready to start a new relationship with someone that just gave them the most money they have ever even thought about getting for the UFC as a TV rights deal. Like, there's also nothing good that comes with the allegations that there's fight fixing going on in the UFC.

Then it just waters down the product to where anything happens. People will be like, oh, wait, I think that might. Like, think about any Jake Paul fight. Ah, fixed. Yeah. It's just like, what about a UFC fight where something crazy happens? No, that was fixed. took a dive like it hurts your sport it hurts the relationships you have it there's nothing good

that can come from this for dana white except for stopping it before it can get going real real quick from the peanut gallery yeah it's all right i just feel like with what dana just said in regards to like kind of slapping people's wrist for tweeting about this and not telling him it's like if you're really interested in getting in the bottom of this shouldn't you be inviting like all fighters like hey i know that you want to go to twitter come to us tell us who's been approaching you let us know even even if in the back of his head, like, you're in hot water you didn't tell us to begin with. Don't announce it because now they're all just going to zip

up their lips to be like, okay, Dana. Okay, well, I actually think he did say that just in a Dana White version of like, you fucking idiot, why would you go on Twitter, come to us, come to the FBI, come to law enforcement, and we can figure this out. Dana's operating, he doesn't know what he doesn't know, right? So since they didn't come to

him, he doesn't know to tell them, come to me. Now he knows to tell them come to me. I have a feeling that there's been communication with the roster. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe there hasn't been like a widespread thing. But I do imagine that it's very clear that now there's an open door to the UFC, to the FBI to come in and be like, okay, I know something and here's what I know. And whether they volunteer that or not, this is going to be found out, right?

Those fighters that said it are definitely getting calls, right? But there's going to be fighters that didn't say anything that are related to somebody who said something or some guy said they heard a thing about a thing. and all of a sudden this is going to go from there so it's going to get dicey all we can do is wait and see I mean with the Derek Minner thing it felt like there was a big boom when it first happened and then here we are three years later

the investigations are still pending nothing really has happened other than a few suspensions you know the James Kraus the Jeff Molinas of the world so we can kind of just wait and see they might have to gather so much evidence before they can ever take this to court but I do feel like with this being

the second really well known case of it that we've seen in the last few years, combined with, I was going to say parlayed, but we'll scratch that, combined with what's going on with the NBA right now, it does feel like something will come from this. All right, I want to touch on two things you said. One, I want to touch on you saying, like, we'll have to see. It's been said that the NBA investigation took years to build, right? This is not like an overnight, like, all of a sudden it's like, we got them. Trancy Bill, it's Terry Rozier, we got a call, and next day we got them. Yeah. So there may be a timeline for this to all be playing out.

Like this investigation, I don't know if they've already been investigating M. They might have. Because I mean, think about it. You can't really prove on one game Terry Rozier was, was, you know, being weird with the lines and, you know, purposely not scoring enough points, assist, whatever it was. Yeah. But when you let him do it and think he's getting away with it, year after year, the evidence just builds and stacks. And who knows if they haven't been watching fighters like that. Yeah, we don't know what the timeline is and where it currently stands. but it could take some time, it could be faster, we don't know. So that's going to play out.

The other thing I want to touch on that, you said, is losing confidence, right, in the results of the fights, which is the most important thing for the UFC, which is they kind of have people losing confidence in the results of the fight. For one, it compromises the sport, right? If I know that the UFC fight could be fixed in a certain way or not, I'm less likely to watch because the result won't be genuine, right? at that point, you're bordering on pro wrestling, right? It's a scripted outcome, and I don't need to tune in because it's not live sports.

So that's a very, very worst case scenario for the U.S. You cannot have that happen. But as this thing is playing out, as the federal investigation is playing out, and as this thing is unfolding, there is a public out there that's going to be watching these fights and having thoughts, like you just mentioned, right? Like regardless of whether there's been anything proven or not, there's going to be a thousand tweets of people going back and being like, at FBI, this one, this fight, this one that I saw, this was rig,

the one that they lost, that busted their parlay, or the one that they thought was shady at the time, and now they're getting a second set of eyes on it. So I think the question for everybody, but I'll ask it to you actually, is like, do you look at the sport differently now? Do you look at the results of MMA? Do you look at betting on MMA differently now

than you did one week ago? I mean, definitely. I think I'm going to just take the week off on Apex 111, and maybe just let this one sit for a second. We'll be back for UFC 322. You know, don't need to get involved in the apex activities again, even though this actually might be the best week to go betting because it's going to be like right down the middle.

But yeah, it creates this controversy essentially. Like now you kind of look back on some fights and you're like, huh, that feels like actually kind of weird. Like I've seen a couple of people being like, oh, drop the fight that you think was fixed. And I see some people being like, oh, John Jones versus Cyril gone. I'm like, I don't think that's the one. I think like prelims, like, the one that I keep going back to is the Ayan Kutalaba versus

Magabana-Kalayaev, where the first one, they had to rematch the second one because the stoppage was so bad. And it's just like, this is where it opens up even further, where it's just like, it doesn't have to be the fighters. What if it's the ref? What if it's the judges? What, like, how many times have we tweeted, like, what the fuck was that judge watching? What was that scorecard?

He could not have been in the same arena watching the fight that I just watched and scored it that way. And now when you see that, it's just like, was he on the payroll? Yeah. Was he getting paid? Or why was that stopped? That was the horrible stoppage. I can't believe it.

The Kutalaba, Magam and Uncleayev's stoppage. And this is like before Uncle I was fighting for championships. Like, yes, he was undefeated at the time. Or maybe he had the one lost to Paul correct. But like, this is early on in his UFC career. And it's just like, Ayon Kutalaba is fully standing there and he jumps in and stops it. And they have to rematch it because the stoppage was so bad. It's like, it's fights like this.

It's these lower level, like kind of under the radar. fights that you sort of watch back and you're just like, oh, that's kind of, that's kind of weird. Like, people have started pointing out the yaya fight in Abu Dhabi back in July. The one that went on very, very long. The most knockdowns. It gets to the end of the second round. And then you find out later that the over one and a half got steamed right before the fight. And it's just like, these are all just allegations.

It's all just speculative thoughts. It could be coincidence. But the lack of certainty is what creates the ability for you to go, well, I think it's ex-y-y-y-y-you're just like, man, I don't know. And like, think about, like, Twitter is unforgiving. Social media is unforgiving. And these people that lose bets are, can be irrational. They talk shit to, to athletes, to fighters all the time, to referees after, after they lose these bets. Now this just gives them that ammo of like, man, this shit was fixed. This is ridiculous. I can't believe this happened. And, you know, it kind of lends you to be like,

well, if you think it's a fixed sport, then why are you betting on it? Right. And so if you have these, if these doubts, why would you bet on it, period? I'm curious of two things. Moving forward, I think there are going to be a lot of people in that position, right, where they go, man, I don't know if I want to bet on this sport anymore. Because I don't, I mean, I wonder what the handle on the NBA looks like now, too, when you know that like this has been going on. I think we'd be naive to not think that this happens in every single sport. Now, to what level I think is the interesting part, right? Whenever there's some kind of, whenever there's some kind of activity that you can wager on, there's always going to be somebody trying to get an edge, whether that's the athletes, right, trying to cheat, whether they're doping or changing the rules or doing this or that. Everybody's going to always try to get an edge in the competition itself. But when there's betting on it, everybody's always going to try and get an edge on the betting line because we're greedy by nature and they want to make the most money on it.

So we'd be naive to think that this wasn't already happening in MMA, right? This is not the first time that it's been suspicious. This is not the first time that it might have been executed. There have probably been many, many occasions that it's happened right under our noses and we just didn't know. Maybe the line did move. Maybe the size of the bet was smaller. Maybe it was better protected.

Maybe they took a somebody hedged it on the other side. Whatever that case may be, there's, we would be naive to believe that this is the first time. But now that it's so public, you do have to manage public perception. You don't just have to, like the investigation is one thing. You need to solve this problem and you need to get to the bottom of it and make sure that fighters never try to do this again before they go to. Frank, you on fire yesterday. Federal fucking prison. That's it.

Before they go to federal fucking prison, but you also have to manage public perception because if the UFC's fan base or even the casual fan base starts to lose confidence in the outcome of these fights,

that can snowball as this investigation is going on. And so I wonder two things. I wonder, one, is betting activity on MMA and the UFC in particular going to go down? Are there going to be less people

wagering now on the basis of this investigation happening and the fact that this shady fight just happened under our noses. Does that last for a week? Does that last for a month? Is activity down lifetime now from this point forward?

And is it down on an apex card compared to UFC 322? Exactly. Imagine how many people are going to watch UFC 322 next week and have no idea that this story took place. Casual people. And they're just sort of casual fans. But man, you talk about the casual fan.

A story like this is the quickest way to eliminate a casual fan. That's right. It's just like, wait, it's fixed. even if the fight is not fixed. Yeah, well, you've allowed that doubt to creep in now. So that's question one for me is like, what does the betting activity look like? What do the handles look like at these sports books now that this is out?

Number two, and also, let's be honest, the people who bet on Isaac Delgarion, this is all hardcore fans. So the people who are even in this market are only hardcores and know about this story and does that activity change. The casuals we're going to bet on Islam Makachev regardless because their buddy said Islam Makachev is. great. It also, just to stop you quickly, it also makes me wonder, like, how much the sports books are willing to deal with stuff like this, because Fandul freezes the lines on this fight, then

Caesars and William Hill end up refunding the bets from this one, everything like this. The handle on MMA that they're making, compared to the NFL's, the NBAs, the soccer's of the world, is nothing. It is pennies how much they're making. I have seen some of

the earnings from breakdown of sports for, like, a draft game sports book, And it is nothing. Like a year of MMA is less than a month of the NFL. So it's just like, man, if this is our ninth biggest sport, it's like, why should we even be putting up with this if there's all these allegations surrounding? Yeah, that would be a horrible scenario for UFC and just MMA in general if they were just like, we're pulling the lines.

We don't need the liability. We don't need the risk, right? We don't want to pay out bets that are fixed. I mean, they did it in Canada after the Miner. After the Miner fight. And so that's a worst case scenario. I wonder what that looks like. And my second thing is, I wonder what the UFC does.

I wonder what the UFC does from here. I wonder how proactive Dana White and the UFC are about continuing to update people on this investigation, being really vocal about what's going on. Because if you operate, like, PR instincts, right, would be to, like, say nothing until you know something until you can actually, like, give somebody something, right? You don't want to, you don't want to mislead, nor do you want to, like, create anxiety and panic when there isn't any, right? So it's going to be interesting to see if they do that, right? if they take a super proactive approach and are talking about, hey, this investigation's ongoing. We had a conversation with everybody on the roster. This is never going to happen again.

Do you take that approach to settle, right, to make your sports book partners feel better about it, to make the fans feel better about it, et cetera? Or do you take the opposite approach, which is we're going to be hands off. They're handling the investigation over here. We don't know anything. And when we do know something, we'll let you know. If that creates that panic, how do you deal with that? So it's going to be very interesting for me to see how the U.S.

handles this, whether they're in front of it or they're behind it. I'm very curious as well, because last time we know with the Derek Minner thing, we're joke about the federal fucking prison quote. But he's saying that a couple months after Derek Minner at, I believe it was UFC 282, Mike Bonn asking him questions. And Bonn's essentially just like any update. He's like, what update would I have? I don't have anything.

They're investigating. Why would they tell me shit, man? And then he ends up getting fired up to the point where he's talking about federal fucking prison and everything. And it like kind of ends heated where Bond's like, oh, yeah, all right, thanks And he's like, you're welcome, you're welcome. So, like, where am I? Just like the wrath of Dana.

So, like, we saw it last time in essentially very similar circumstances and they really gave no update. Now it was like the TV deal starting and now this happening for a second time. Like, will it go differently? I'm very curious. Obviously, everything we're saying is speculation for how they move forward with it. Yeah, and not for nothing. There's other parties involved now, too, right?

The last time, it seemed like the FBI got involved. But it wasn't as obvious and as public, right? Like, when we heard, when we heard Jeff Molina come talk to Ariel after it seemed like the case was, he said the case was like closed at this point, turns out like seemingly from the info that we're hearing that it was not closed, that there was just, like, it was just taking a while to develop. But he was saying like he had the one conversation or, and that was it, right? There wasn't much more to it. It wasn't this like ongoing continuing series of interviews and tell us who this did this. Tell us who did this. It didn't seem to be as like stringent in that in that capacity.

I do wonder if the environment now, considering how public the NBA one is and how much coverage is around that and how much of a story that's become, if now the FBI, Cash Patel, whoever else is a stakeholder in this potentially goes, hey, look, we've got an opportunity here, right? We're making an example of the NBA and some of these players and we're going to tack on this fighting part of it. it. We're going to go after these fighters. We're going to go after the gyms. We're going to go after anybody who was involved with this and tack it on and say, we found a hundred dirty UFC fighters and managers that were doing this and blah, blah, blah. It feels like there could be some real public kudos that the FBI could get from pursuing this in a certain way. And so I wonder if they push the issue, if they push the agenda in a way that UFC kind of loses control of at a certain point, right? They have to just let the FBI do their thing.

So there's a lot of interesting factors still to come from this. As you said, we have to wait and see how it plays out. My instincts tell me, unlike the last time, that this is going to be very bad for the sport, that there's going to be a black eye on the sport at the end of this, that there will be people found out. Because if you get to Isaac Dahlgarian's trailer, you knock on the trailer dirt, you're the FBI. And you say, Isaac, guess what? It's your lucky day. You're about to get immunity, brother.

you just got to tell us the five people who did this and were involved with you and say no more. And then those five people tell you five more people who told them some shady shit. And then all of a sudden you've got this web of people that can take down the entire operation. So federal fucking prison. I mean, these guys that they're getting to, it's not the John Joneses of the world. It's guys that are, like you said, living in trailers, struggling, have families, need to feed their families, are making probably 20 and 20 on their contract, 12 and 12, whatever it may be. Like, these are the guys that you are getting to.

And if they're at that point in their life and you're offered, we'll lessen this, man. We'll make this easier on you. That's a way to get them to speak. It really is going to be fascinating with the TV deal starting, with how much in bed the UFC is with Drafking Sportsbook. Obviously, they're updating the lines. They're giving you the bets beforehand.

It's going to be fascinating to watch, man. I am in agreement with you that I do think it's not going to be. a good look for the sport. But I also think that if the FBI investigation is successful and they're able to out a lot of people, A, you can get those people out of the sport. And B, if there are serious consequences paid, then this will keep people from doing it in the future. Yeah, maybe that confidence returns, right? Because we have a resolution. It's like, we've, we investigated this to the end of the earth. We found it was these select people and they were the bad eggs and they were the bad apples and we're, and we've got them. And then everybody else goes,

All right, now we're safe. Unfortunately, I don't think that that's ever going to be the case. Ten years from... Of course. Three years from now we'll be dealing with a similar situation. It's just the way this goes. But I think confidence will be restored at that point. But until we get there, I do think this is going to be bad.

When I think about it, this isn't the first fight fixing, match fixing, game fixing that has ever happened in sport. Exactly. Boxing has been littered with it throughout its history. It's still alive. College basketball back in the day was littered with it. It's still alive. I don't think this is a death sentence for the sport, but I do think it will be a stain

for at least a little while depending on the outcome of these investigations. Yeah. Fascinating stuff. The sport never fails to have drama. This is the bad kind, though. Yeah, I know. I look the good drama.

Is Tom Aspinall a good drama? No. That's also bad drama. John Jones-Allez-Farreira? Yeah, good drama. I don't even know if that's drama. That's just kind of... That's fucking... That's right. They're kind of on the same page.

All right. Speaking of drama, Jake Paul is no longer going to be fighting Dravante Tank Davis and now on short notice he is looking to get a replacement before the year is out and a few names have been thrown out there. Francis Inganu. Yep.

A rematch with Nate Diaz? Yep. Maybe Ryan Garcia. Yep. Of those... Maybe James Tahuna gets back in the boxing match. He called for it after his last win. I don't think Jake wants those problems.

He called for it after his last win. Don't forget. I think we can go ahead and X Ryan Garcia. Yeah, Oscar De La Jolla came out and was like, no. He broke it down. He was like, I don't have anything against it, but Ryan Garcia is a golden boy fighter. We have a contract with the zone.

Ryan Garcia fights on the zone. Jake Paul is fighting on Netflix. So, there we go. You can't make it happen. It's not going to happen. He's also like, I'm going to sign Ryan Garcia's next contract. It's not going to be with Jake Paul. So I feel pretty confident that that one is not going to happen.

Nate rematch, Francis. Nate took to Instagram and said contract, fight accepted. You're dead. We were at that fight, Dallas, Texas, 2023, shout out. M.M.A. Hour on the road. Great times.

Not the best fight. It wasn't a horrible fight, but it wasn't a great fight. It was okay. It's not one that I need to see. That or Heather Hardy, Amanda Serum. Yeah, no, we're not going back to that way. I don't need to see Nate Diaz versus Jake Paul again.

I agree. I am sympathetic to Jake Paul because he is in a bad spot, right? It seemed like he was on the Ted Yard line with the Canello fight, and then Turkey Al Shake sweeps in, picks up Canelo for a multi-fight deal. Canello goes on to fight Terrence Crawford. That whole thing happens separate from Jake Paul. He now goes, he's talking about fighting AJ. AJ's like, nah, not yet.

Like, we've got to do it another time. He moves on to Tank Davis. okay a boxer in his prime a big name boxer in his prime who has a very dedicated following who's going to sell paper views and sell tickets allegations all the other stuff related to Tank Davis

gone there's not guys left there really just are not names left for Jake Paul he is doing his best to try to make these big fights happen right it seems like on the heels of the Mike Tyson it was like oh man he's gonna follow up Mike Tyson what Canello freaking Alvarez and it was like holy shit Jake Paul's about to take this thing over

and it just, he keeps getting snakebitten and snake bitten. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not like a sycophant for Jake Paul. I'm not about to sit here and weep and cry for Jake Paul, who's doing very well for himself. But I do respect the effort that he is putting in to try to make these massive events happen in the boxing world and happen on Netflix and is just not getting the appropriate dance partners, is not getting the support that he needs, is not getting the opponents. The one that I'd be interested in is Big Franny, big Francis and Ghanu. That's the one that I want to see. They have shared some heated back and forths on Twitter over the last week. Jake comes out, calls him an idiot. Francis goes on TMZ. They reached out the other day and told me how they need a replacement for Giovante Davis. Jake Paul makes no sense for me. He's not what I'm looking at right now.

And he also called it, like, disrespectful to even offer it to him. Yeah. Jake Paul then says, idiot. it. Dear Francis, just say you already got humiliated in boxing and are scared to lose to Jake Paul. I accept that. Your light work, my friend, stuck in mud. Francis says, choose your words wisely, boy. I agree that you need someone to discipline you for what you did to Mike Tyson, but stay in your lane.

Jake says, my lane helped your lane. I spoke up for you over and over again no more. Look at yourself in the mirror. God don't like ugly. Maybe the truth is, you're a fake holier than thou actor when it's always been just about you. Maybe use your platform to speak on the youth of your country, posting a flag ain't in. Instead of doing TMZ interviews like a con man to talk about me. Reality check, I sleep you in boxing and John Joan does in dot, dot, dot.

I assume he means like I have a man. Bet emoji, sleep emoji, anger emoji. Ingano, you did speak up for me in the past, but we are still not in the same lane. grow up and don't fall so low and then Jake Paul post a video with Sean O'Malley in a fat suit says the grind doesn't stop the move to head

of you eight starts now will this fight ultimately happen counter ready I don't based on Francis it would be very

it'd be very easy for Francis seeing this opening and Jake Paul being like I need an opponent to be like, I'll knock you the F out, Jake Paul. And his demeanor is the opposite, right? He's very back. He's in a defensive stance of like, nah, this is not for me, I don't want this. It's not the right time.

Is disrespectful to even offer me, Jake Paul? He's a boy. I don't want to fight him, yada, yada, yada. So it has all the signs of him not wanting to take this fight. I don't think he's going to. Now, maybe it's the time frame, right? Because, like, it seems like Jake wants to get this one in this year. Maybe it's the time frame and he's not going to be able

to do it in that time and you could set up something with Francis earlier in the year. Maybe you try to revisit the Anthony Joshua thing. You're definitely not getting Anthony Joshua this year, right? Like Anthony Joshua is not the type of fighter that's signing up for like short notice. Let me just go in there and fight Jake Paul. He's going to have a proper training camp for this. And so with options limited, it seems like the Nate Diaz fight

is at least something because Nate, unlike Francis is like, yeah, let's do it, right? Like he's the guy that's actually saying it. According to Nate's Instagram, he's saying it's already accepted. Like he's ready to go and he's already accepted. So I don't think he has a lot of good options at this moment. Like there's there's really not a name out there that I'm clamoring for Jake Paul to fight that would really do it on this time frame. If Tyson Fury, if Anthony Joshua, if any of these guys wanted to fight him, I'd be there in a heartbeat. I think that's a fantastic thing. But

these guys are pro level boxers making so much money. This is not the Wild Wild West. This is not the MMA game. This is not the Chale Sun and I'm Ready Anytime Anywhere type shit. These guys don't do that. And so you have to have a proper build to it. I don't know who he can fight ultimately. Nate Diaz, Jake Paul, doesn't get me out of bed. Me neither. I wonder what it does. He can't give me up and hype up. The other thing we have to remember here is you have to

satisfy Netflix too, right? It's not just like, I need a fight. Can you put whoever is on the other side of this on Netflix? It's also a great point. I don't think Nate Diaz, Jake Paul gets Netflix hyped up. Yeah, so what do you do if you're Jake Paul? Who do you call? Roman Fress?

Who? Yeah, yeah, yeah, look, man. I'm looking at the WBA rankings right now. He's 14th. We fight up to, you know, let's get in the top 10. Roman Fress ranked number 10. If there was a Netflix executive that knew who Roman Fress was, I would be stunned. Alexi Poppin?

Who? The number nine ranked WBA fighter? Yeah, no. You think Jaya Pataya is available? I don't know. Fuck, imagine the things that Jai would do to Jake Paul. Chris Billiam Smith, number eight. Yeah, I just don't, as I said, and this relates to those guys, as much as it relates to Joshua's and the Tyson Furies, like, this, that's not how fights are made in the boxing world.

Like, you don't just go like, oh, I'm stepping in. Four weeks from now, we're going to go throw hands. It just doesn't work like that. Who did it against Joseph Parker the other, the other month? Big boy. Yeah, um, um, Bacoli. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Markaulay. Like, two days notice, flying from Africa into it.

And, and we saw the result of that. He got knocked out in the second. He got battered and never looked good in the fight and was severely overweight. It's just not the – boxing is not the game like that. I will say this. Say it. If you're a boxer out there, what are you doing? Like, how is this – I'm constantly shocked by this.

How is there not a line of 70 guys that are signing up to fight Jake Paul? How is your hand not up instantaneously to fight Jake Paul on Netflix? If you're Terrence Crawford, it's like we'll pay you $20 million to come. Great. I'll beat the shit out of this guy rolling out of bed. Perfect. Yeah, it makes you wonder, but we'll wait and see on who's next for Jake Paul. I feel like we say that a lot in the fight game.

Let's just wait and see. Yeah, let's just wait and see. We're saying that a lot with Jake Paul lately, and I do have some sympathy for that, but I don't think anybody's going to cry. Paul Boylan, too. I'm down for it. Ryan Borland ain't getting that call. Book out the Carrebe Royale.

But if you're, look, like, okay, just let me pull a random name out, right? I don't know if Netflix goes for this, but if you're Joseph Parker, right? You just lost a massive fight, your big opportunity. Netflix ain't going for that. No, I don't think Parker versus Paul. But like, how do you not make the call, right?

Or maybe he did, by the way. Maybe Joseph Parker and team already did that. Yeah, I guess. And you're just not on Netflix. If you're a top guy, you have to be trying to angle for this. This is the biggest opportunity that you're ever going to get. And it's against the guy that if you're a Joseph Parker or of that level, right? I keep using the name Joseph Parker.

I don't mean to like harp in on him. But if you're a top ranked guy with some kind of, a name value. You have to think you could beat the living shit out of Jake Paul. Why? Why is it so hard for this guy to find a fight? That's what I don't understand. I don't know. Maybe it's just careful selection on

who it is. I don't think it's that. I think there's some of that. I think they want to put on the biggest fight. I think Jake Paul will fight anybody to his credit. We'll see. We'll find out. J.P. the problem child. El Pico de Gallo. We'll see next time.

What is it actually? El Gio del Dorado. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. Like the rooster of El Dorado. I think he doesn't do the El Dorado. I think it's just El Gallo Dorado, or maybe I'm wrong. But in which case, it's like the golden rooster. I might be wrong, though. I'm not looking at up right now.

The golden rooster. That's nice. That's nice. All right. That's the news and notes for this week. We'll be back after a brief, brief break with a UFC Apex 11 preview. Don't go anywhere. How about that network?

I was going to say, what's up with that network? But it looks familiar. Yeah, it looks familiar, man. I mean, I'm just a network fan, so that's why it looks familiar. Shout out to the network. Shout to Rich Klaman. Shout out to Josh Pate. All right, UFC Apex 11 going down this weekend.

And beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada. Yep. Returning to the scene of the alleged. Of the alleged. Of the alleged crime last week. It's a better card than last week, in my opinion, on paper. When it comes to entertainment value of the fights, I got love for Randy Brown.

Rude Boy, shout out. Yeah. We love Randy Brown around here. New York area. Yeah. Queens Boy. Love him. Love him.

All love the Bond theme as well. Yeah. One half of the Bonfeme brothers. Yeah, I'd say it. This is not a UFC main event. Yeah, probably not. Number 14 versus Unranked Randy Brown. But that actually leads me to a question.

Randy Brown, first of all, 20-fight UFC vet. God damn. Really? 20-fight UFC veteran. Eight and two in his last 10. Yeah. The two losses are the champ. A question of a split the Brian battle.

I scored after Randy Brown. And a loss of the champ. Jack Della Madalena. Rady Brown is a very... Ranking Brown is a very good fighter. Randy Brown is a very good fighter. I don't know if I can say the same about Bonfeeam. Like, I think he's a very good fighter.

He's definitely a good fighter. I don't know if he's a great fight. I think Randy Brown, like, man, he's a tough problem for a lot of guys. because of how good he is with how clean and nasty he is with the striking. But he's also just so well-rounded, right? Like defensively, he's very hard to hit. And when you try to grapple with him, he has good sound defensive instincts there. I think Randy Brown could, like, be somebody.

So, yeah, when you put it that way, I am a little surprised that, like, he hasn't really made more noise in the rankings. Unsurprisingly, though, like, I wouldn't want to fight him if I was a ranked guy. Like, and credit to Bonfee him for doing that. But, like, I don't want to fight Randy Brown. That's a tough guy with not a lot of juice behind the name that everybody's going to be like, oh, you beat Randy Brown. When you look at the resume, God damn, Randy Brown's a tank, man. The resume is nice.

And you talk about how tough he is. He's coming off that war with Nicholas Dalby. And that's Gabriel Bonfim's one loss. The war came to Bonfim, and he ended up getting finishing it. Randy Brown, obviously, M.M.A. math doesn't always work out that cleanly. But Randy Brown gets it done. I mean, this is not an easy out for Gabriel Bonfeme in his first fight as a ranked fighter. I mean, coming off the win over Wonderboy, it was a nice performance, but I don't know, man, there's something in me that kind of leans toward the dog and Randy Brown.

I think stylistically, this is a good fight for Randy Brown. So, yeah, I'm, man, there's not a lot of guys. I'll be honest, like, let me look at the rankings right now. Right now, Gabriel Bonfine, currently sitting at minus 182, Randy Brown plus 157. Oh, my God, as I'm looking, Randy Brown plus three. No, I'm just kidding. The steam coming in, now be too early. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got to happen within 30 minutes.

Okay, let's do the exercise, right? Okay. Bonfem is 14. Let's look at the rest of the top 15. Let's do it. Is Randy Brown going to get blown out by Mike Malott? No, no, I actually think that'd be a really competitive fight. Is Randy Brown going to get blown out by D-Rod?

No, also a very competitive fight. Jeff Neal, we'll just keep going through. Jeff Neal, no, he's not getting blown out. Gilbert Burns. No. Kobe Covington. No. Carlos Prochis.

Here's where we're making the turn. Maybe not blown out, but I favor Prochise in that one. Michael Morales. Maybe. Joaquin Buckley? I favor Buckley in that one. So like around 9, around Prochis is where you go from. He's not getting blown out to I favor these guys slightly.

Ian Machado Gary. Yeah, I favor. Kamara Usman. Yeah, I still like Ufman. Leon Edwards. Yeah, I like Leon. Shavkat Rachmanov. See, now it's where you start maybe getting to the problem.

But my point is, you're all the way up to three or four, where you go like, now, Randy's going to be like a huge dog there. He could be competitive with all these guys. I mean, we saw him against JDM, and I know it was a few years ago, and, you know, fights are fights. Sometimes they can be different if there's a rematch or anything. But, like, we saw him against the champ. He got finished in the first round.

Yeah, and JDM is fighting Islam Makachev and the champ for a reason. Fucking crazy. I can't believe he's fighting Islam next week. I believe in Randy Brown. The line makes sense to me just because I think the finishing upside on Bonfim is always going to be... And he's 18 and 1. Yeah, he's a fantastic... We've seen him struggle, though.

Like, even in fights where he does end up getting the win, we've seen him struggle at points. Not that we haven't seen Randy Brown struggle at points, but when it comes to, like, durability, tenacity, as you said, right? Nicholas Dalby is the type of fighter that draws that kind of war out of people. and when the war came to Randy Brown, as it always does, he's able to handle the fire and he's able to stay in there. Honestly, save for the Wonderboy win,

who obviously Wonderboy is in the latter half of his career. He's on the back nine. He is on the very end of it. He's on hole 18, essentially. Save for that, the wins are Chaos Williams, Anj Luzzae, and Mornier-Lazet. It's not like he's been beating world beaters.

I like this fight for Randy Brown. I think it's going to be a good one. I favor Brown here. Shout to Randy Brown. domain. Matt Schnell versus Joseph Morales. Matt Schnell, man, still kicking. Two and four in his last six. Not on a great run. Guaranteed action, though. Guaranteed action. Kill or be killed. He has been finished eight time in his career. Joseph Morales back in the UFC after representing Team Chale in the Ultimate Fighter, getting a dub, and now he's won to know in the UFC post-ultimate

fighter. Still 31, six-fight win streak. Just feels like the two ships passing in the night. Yeah, I think Joseph Morales is like a gigantic, yeah, minus 472. Manchinel plus 372. Feels like a Morales sub is the most likely outcome, man. Absolutely. Yeah, Machinnell. We'll always have, we'll always have Matchnell Sumidhargy, 2022. What a fight.

What a round. In the time that that happens, though, Matchnell is guaranteed to give him hell. Like, that is the matchnell story. It's like, he's not going to make this easy. He is going to come out there and try to. He's going to try to finish in the same way. that you're trying to finish him.

And as you said, live by the sword, die by the sword for match now. So as long as it lasts, I think it's going to be tough, right? Like you're going to have to wade through the fire on that. But yes, I mean,

Schnell is not a top tier guy at this point in this career. Speaking of cut from the same cloth, Euros Medish, never been to a decision before in his career taking on. Also, speaking of UFC Long Island 2022, great card Muslim Salikov. At 41 years old, Mr. Salikov now finds himself on a three-fight winning

streak. Two straight first-round finishes. If he wins, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets another first-round finish because Medi, she's just all chaos. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's similar to the fight we were just talking about, right? Like, these are going to be nervy moments on both sides because both of these guys are capable of that. As you said, though, the last two performances for Salikov have been, like, really, really impressive to me. Like, the one against Carlos Leyal was shocking. I was like, shocking. We're in favoring Leyal in that one? I really liked Leal. You liked them a lot. And I don't think that was an uncommon opinion. I think Lial was, like, looking really good.

And for Muslims to come out there and do what he did, like, yeah, it might just be his time. 42 seconds, Iced him as a plus $3.75. Yeah, and before that, the freaking spinning wheel kick. Like he's... Which is kind of like his move, man. The King of Kung Fu. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He likes to throw those.

He's an impressive guy. I can see the world, though, where it's just like, we're at the midpoint of round two. and it's like Eurus is kind of just like styling. Like he's kind of found it. Yeah, I don't know. The finishing upside of Salikov to me. Also the finishing upside of Medici. I can see either of these years getting a finish.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know which way I lean on this. What's the line on this one? Right now Euros Medi is sitting at a minus 154 Salikov plus. Yeah, that kind of makes sense. That's maybe where I have it in my head is like I slightly favor Medici. but Salakov is going to, I mean, we just saw it in all, you know, this little run. He is extremely dangerous, and I think he's liable to get some kind of finish, but I lean

slightly toward Uros. These top three fights are intriguing, at least from an excitement standpoint. This card has exciting fighters on it, and it has, like, a lot of finishing upside. Like, there are a lot of guys who either win by knockout or submission or lose by knockout of submission, the Bonfion brothers, both of them are finished. Like, there's a lot on this card that has. that, but the stakes are next to zero. Like, there's not a fight on here that I think

has any significant stakes for the future of a division. I mean, Bonfim Brown is one half of it is ranked and then I think you got Myra Buena Silva, Cavalcanti in the most shallow division in the UFC. Feels like by default. That's a ranked fight. I guess Tisha Pennington and Denise Gomes are also ranked.

Moving along, Ishmael Bonfim. Yep. The other half of the Bonfim brothers, which will be the first to make it to the Octagon on Saturday. Taking on Chris Taco Padilla. There's nothing else to say for this fight. than Taco Bidia trains with E. K.C. Liden, so he's a lock. It's a dub. If you're training with E. Casey Leiden, you're made a steel, bro. You're about to cook this man to the bone. And right now, if you're into that sort of thing, I don't know if you are. Plus 175, Chris Bidia.

Every time we talk about the betting lines now, I feel a little weird. Yeah, I feel nervous. I feel like weird about it. I feel like Cash Patel and crew are going to blast through the door any second. Oh, shit! What did you say the line was on the ground? prison. Who does he train with? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, that's the end. They're right now knocking at Casey's door. Exactly. I was going to say. Casey's sitting there

editing a video. Just blows in. We give the bag of money to E. Casey Lied and he gives it the crisp no, no, no, just kidding. Okay, not for nothing. What win streak are we on for Taco? One, two, three, four, five, six. Six in a row. Three of those coming inside the UFC. The James Yontop fight, I believe, was like he took it on short notice.

He was a huge dog, gets it done. Finishes James Yontop, which Maricio Huffy could not. Yeah, he's as tough as shit. Beats Rang-Ju and gets a split over Jai Harbour. That wasn't like a super great fight. It was a little bit uneventful. But man, for a guy who's kind of like was not supposed to be this and not supposed to be here, he's on a really nice streak.

It's only 30? Yeah. I know Jordan was, luckily he's not here right now. I know he was hurting after that Rang-Ju loves. I like Taco. It's a good one. I'm looking forward to that. In my opinion, maybe the most high-level-

I'm picking against both-bom, both-bombed themes. Yeah, it sucks for me. In my opinion, maybe the most high-level fight on the card, Ricky Simone, Haone, Barcellos. Two, just incredible athletes, good on the feet, nasty on the ground. Both dudes have, like, had like a bit of a resurgence. Ricky Simone, like, it was looking dicey for him.

Now he's won his last two. Barcellus won three straight. He died the hair, got a little change-up, now he's killing it. the only man to beat Marab in the UFC That's right I mean that's a big win That one's aged nicely for old Ricky Simone

Yeah I love this fight I don't know who's gonna win But might be the fight that I'm looking forward to most on the card Yeah I lean towards Simone I just think like In terms of a guy who can be dangerous on the feet But when he gets to the bread and butter In the grappling and the control wrestling

He's so tough there as you said Now granted this is very early in Marob's career Like we're not even talking remotely the same Marab. They could not be, they might as well be different people when we're talking about Ricky Simone versus Maraub

was like a weird choke at the bell that like Maraub was bucking like a Bronco and like said he wasn't out but yeah. It was a very weird ending to it but I say that to say

he still can be competitive with Maraub like his style is a very difficult one to overcome so I like Simone. This actually is like UFC Long Island 22 in the apex.

Simone also on that card. I'll never forget, he like body slam Jack Shore and like an echo throughout the entire arena. So yeah, shout out to that. They've actually moved that one to the prelims. I actually thought that this could have been in the co-main event. Wait, that's on the pre-lims? Yeah, Ricky Simone, Haone and Barselles. I know you don't give a shit about

card placement, but like, bro, I feel like this could have been the co-main event. I agree. As you said, like, I think this is one of the higher level ones that we have on this card. Yeah. I can't wait for it. A couple more on the main card. Marco Tullio, taking on Christian Leroy Duncan. Wait, so what replaced this if this is on the prelims, what moved up? Or did they just make it five?

I think they just made it five. Okay, got it. Marco Tullio taking on CLD, Christian Leroy, Duncan. The husband or significant other of Norma Dumont comes out, cheers on Norma, gets Norma or black belt. Now the script is flipped. My turn. Now we're cheering on Marco Tullio, 14 and 1. Tough test in Christian Leroy-Dunkin.

Yeah, I think, like, again, again, in this one, finishing upside on both sides, right? Like, I just feel like all of these fights have potential for some real, like, nervey exchanges and some real action in the middle of the octagon, which is making this card more exciting than maybe the name value alone. So this might be one of those where after the fact, Dana's going to be sitting, I don't know if Dana's even going to be there, but if he is, they'll be sitting up there and just be like, well, told you, don't judge it until it's all done.

Like, this feels like it could have high potential, but I like, this fight as well. His win on Contender Series over Usri has aged nicely. Yeah, Yusri's a bad boy, man. I talked about it when we were talking about his fight coming up. Got the dub over Azat Pekyev. Azamat Bukayev. Jamal Emmer's versus Hyder Amil.

Hyder Amil is just like one of those fighters you're just guaranteed to get fireworks from. Yeah. Is he the number one on this card of the like guaranteed to just be blitzing forward and... I think Matt Schnell Aros Mediz. Yeah. And Hyder Amil are the top three. I'm here to bang. To be totally honest, winning doesn't even really matter that much.

We're going to try and win, but we're here to bang. We're here for a scrap. We're here to get bloody. It's going to be great. Not for nothing. Emers is a guy who could go to battle too, so I think that's going to be a fun one. Myra Buena Silva, technically winless since February of 2023, the Holly Home. Wow, is that true?

Yeah, the Holly Home fight got turned over to a no contest. She tries flyweight, loses to Jasmine Dasavishius. Now back up at Banim White. Shout out. Still ranked. Somehow. Still ranked. Now she gets Jacqueline Cavalcanti. I just don't like where Meyer Boyne is at in her career. Yeah, wow. It's been a rough road.

It's rough. Home, Pennington. It's rough. Going into that Pennington, she was the uncrowned queen going into that Pennington fight. Oh, man. Not good. Josh Hokit, your favorite fighter. Frank's actual favorite fighter, making his debut after a win-on-contender series where he says he's not going to fight the fat, lazy heavyweight division,

said he's going to fight, you know, sex offenders and... Ah, yes, Josh Hooker. Where's the red, white, and blue bandana, said he's going to start the Incredible Hoke Division. Yes, yes, yes. So the Incredible Hoke Division starts on the prelims of Apex 111 against Max Gaminis. Yeah, we're all in. This is the beginning of the Incredible Hoke Division.

I do have to say, though, there is a... a Josh Hokit diehard out there. And he mapped out... It might be Franks Bernard. Aside from me. And he mapped out Josh Hokit's career from here. Yeah, shout to Pico's Barber.

The most... The most M.MA Twitter name of all time. Shout out to Pico's Barber, and it looks like an old picture of Aaron Pico. He's mapped it out. We get a winning move to 7-0 against Max Gaminis this weekend. He wins by K.O., punches and elbows

in the very first round. Then we go on to fight Tai Tui Vasa at UFC 325 Volkanowski versus Evloev. Another win in the first round buzzer-beater in Perth, Australia. Then he fights Derek Lewis at UFC fight night Pico versus Teporia. I don't know if that's Ilya or Alessandre. I was going to say, I cannot imagine a world where Teporea goes back down to 145, or ever fights on a UFC fight night, Ilya, that is, a 13-second knockout of Derek Lewis. Now we start getting up the ranks.

Cyril Ghan, UFC 325, Davalishvili versus Zahabi, he gets a bulldog choke in the first round. That one takes place in Orlando, Florida. Shout out to the magic. Amway Center, or whatever it is, Amway, we're in it. And now it looks like he made it all the way to the top of the heavyweight division. He fights Tom Aspinall at UFC White House McGregor versus Chandler next June, gets a first round finish, a spinning hook kick. gets it done to move to 11 and O against Tom Assel and then he really starts getting crazy. Notice he's made this rise through the ranks, hasn't headlined a single card.

We finally get that Madison Square Garden, New York, New York, November 12th. So this time next year, this time next year, that will be his sixth fight in 365 days. He'll fight Alex Pereira, where he left hook, chaos him at UFC 332, Hokit versus Pereira. And then we move to boxing. Zufa Boxing, 88. Somehow they were able to manage 88 events between now and 2027. KOs Uc in the 11th, 30 seconds into the 11th round. And then we're back to MMA at UFC 382.

So it looks like we're going to squeeze in about 50 numbered UFC events in about seven months, seven or eight months. But it's John Jones, TKO stoppage, doctor stoppage at the end of the second round at UFC 382, versus Jones. And then we get, in October of that year, PFL versus UFC 1, where he arm bars Francis Inganu in Saudi Arabia. The good news is UFC 382 is in Brooklyn, so hopefully we can actually try to go to that one. Hokit versus Jones, that'll be sick. We can skip the watch party.

And then, last but not least, in January of 2028, he gets a third round standing guillotine at Zupa Boxing 94 against Jake Paul. Absolute masterclass in Photoshop. But how does he submit Jake Paul in boxing? I think that's the point. Hoke it does what Hoke-it wants, baby. The Incredible Hoke. Shout out to Pico's Barber.

That is a master class in Photoshop. It was so detailed and so good. I came across that, and I was absolutely dying. So shout out to you, Pico's Barber. That is some all-time shit. I like how we worked Pico into it, headlining against deport. Absolutely.

incredible work from you. I need to go retweet that now because that... Meanwhile, this guy, Hoke, it's going to lose this week and... Yeah, it's a max-gimianness. But I do believe he is a minus 400 favorite. Shut up. So the Incredible Hulk era begins on Saturday. Shout out to be goes, Barbara. I need

to go retweet that because that tweet needs more love. Dante Johnson tried to step in after fighting last week. Oh, really? He tried to go back to back. But the in-sac won't medically clear him. Yeah, that's a quick-ass turnaround.

Yeah, Jackson McVe-Ve-Zach, Reese happening, Miles John, Daniel Marcos, buried, man. Daniel Marcos gets one loss and it's just... And it's like...

Devlin dirt. Miles John's ain't no easy out. Like, that is a rough comeback fight. Tisha Pennington versus Denisi Gomes, and that's the card. UFC Apex 111.

It's a decent poster. Is it? Eh. Is it two guys looking at each other? Looking straight ahead. Oh, okay, perfect. There's your main card. and that's that that that's ufc Vegas 111 it'll be taking place this weekend will we get as many

uh what allegations investigations investigations storylines coming from this one as we did uh this past weekend no no chance yeah we're gonna get more no josh hoakett's gonna shake up the world i just went retweeted that tweet i had to do it it's so good um all right with Gabriel Bonfim taking on Ishmael Bonfim. We were going to do Parley Palsam. Wait, sorry, what did I say? He said, Gabriel Bonfim taking on Ishmael Pondi. I'm still caught up in UFC 382, Jones v. Hoke, taking place in Brooklyn, New York.

Gabriel Bonfeme and Ishmael Bonfeme fighting on this card. That brings us to our pound-for-pound rankings. Best Fight Siblings. That's it. The best siblings. It can be M.A. It can be boxing. By the way, we're just going to take a week.

off from Parley Pals and Bets. Yeah, it probably feels right, right? We'll pick it back up with U.S. 322. That's fucking illegal. We'll just take a break. We're on a bad losing streak in Parlay Pals. Though, though Rick's Parley Pals pick was Isaac Dolgarian.

The fix was in. Prison. The fix was in on us. So we're just going to take a week off. We're just going to take a week off. Frank, playing with that is going to be incredible. Frank, can we just get a replay on loop? of him licking his lips afterwards?

You don't want to hear that. There are children that watch this show. Federal fucking prison. Federal fucking prison. It's just so sloppy. I love it. I love it. There's nothing I get more joy out of than Dana White licking his lips.

And it gives Frank more anxiety. Straight into the microphone. All right. Best fight siblings. Frankie, what's the order, brother? The order today is Rick. Frank. I'm first.

Wow. Switching it up. I love it. All right. This was extremely tough for me because as I was thinking about them, there are so freaking many of these. Like there are an insane number of these. But I'm going to start number five. Now, admittedly, this one is perspective. This one is based on what I expect. This one is future events. This is not just pure accomplishment. And that's Umar and Usman number I got made of. Those two, uh, those two are going to be pretty good in my opinion federal wait I don't even get it those two are going to be pretty damn good

throughout their careers they're already 39 and 1 yeah like they're already insanely high level Usman having been Bellator champion just defeated Paul Hughes

now he's PFL champion Umar you know giving Mara giving Mara the toughest of his championship run I expect that

Umar will probably be UFC champion at some point in his career as well like these two are cream of the crop elite level prospects and they're only kind of like really young and getting started in their careers I expect them to be great and they're already great that's that's where this one's coming this is a great call I thought about going with them uh Usman and Umar um number four for me this this is based on accomplishment this is based on swag this is based on highlight reels this is the Pettus brothers

Anthony and Sergio fucking you son of a bitch Anthony UFC champion Sergio Bellator champion but not only high level fighters

for one some of the most support like on this list these two are probably the ones that I look at as like having the tightest relationship they're just so supportive of each other Anthony's Sergio's biggest

chairleader, vice versa. But when it comes to, like, highlight reels in MMA, these two are two of the best that have ever done it. Like the showtime kick is, is pantheon level, if not the greatest highlight that we've ever seen in UFC history. The spinning back fist that Sergio has been able to deliver, these two are fantastic fighters, championship caliber fighters, with an incredible highlight reel resume. So shout out to the Pettus brothers, Anthony and Sergio. Number three for me, this one's old school, but this is homage to the beginnings of this. sport and where we really began here. This is Hickson and Hoyce, Gracie. Oh, yeah, great call. Now, you could have gone other, now, you could have gone other brothers here in the Gracie

lineage, but to me, hoist for what he did in terms of UFC and being the one that Horriand selected to represent the family and setting off this entire thing and making me fall in love with the sport. And then Hickson, this may be, like, this is definitely before your time, but there was a time where basically Hickson was a thing of lore, right? Like, there was a, there was a meme on forums where everything was like, it was like, give us your prediction for the fight, for any fight, and the prediction was always Hickson by Arm Bar. Hickson by Arm Bar was the prediction for John Jones versus Matt Hamill. Like, it was Hickson by Arm Bar. So, um, it's funny you say that. I've actually read Hicks and Gracie's book, Breathe. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's

pretty crazy his story. Yeah. I mean, the entire Gracie family story and just the history of the sport forming from that family. But Hickson, like one of the most feared competitors in combat, didn't really have like a long extended run. He was a Valley Tudor guy. Yeah, he was a Valley Tudor guy. But he was notoriously the guy that everybody pointed out as like one of the best fighters on the planet.

So Hickson for that, hoist for the legacy, the impact that. he had on the UFC and all the fandom that we have now. It does not happen without Hoyce Gracie doing what he did back at the early days of the UFC. So Hickson and Hoyce legends, absolute legends. Was Horriott also a brother of theirs? No. Or yes,

Horon might be a brother. And I think Horon helps, he was a co-founder of the UFC. Yes. Or was he, yes, Horon is... Which makes it like... Horon is their brother and he's the father of... He's the father of... freaking hold on they're hard to keep up with

no no no who is Crohn? No no Hickson Krohn is Hickson son But the guy Um Oye yay yay

Hey hold on Horon wrote and published the book The Gracie Diet in 2010 Yeah who are Horan sons Why is this so much harder Renner Gracie? Henner, yes Henner and Huron

Henner and Huron The Gracie Academy guys who's the who's the anyway doesn't matter helio well isn't that the grandfather oh yeah that's their grandfather so yes helio gracie but shout out to shout out to the gracy

shout out to the gracy family but also yeah hickson and hoist were the most significant for me and then number two these two legends of the game fighting in different way classes but having similar levels of success

legends in pride legends in the UFC Big Nog, Lil Nog, the Noggera brothers. Great shout. Federal prison. Just releasing every different variation.

These guys were the these guys were like the soundtrack of MMA for a long time. Like they were the like two of the staples of multiple eras of MMA. Amazing fantastic fights in pride as well as like championship caliber fights. a Little Nog known for his wars with Shogun, Big Nog fighting Fadour,

all the greatest heavyweights of that time. Then Big Nog becoming UFC champion at some point. Little Nog getting into another war with Shogun as well and continuing that trilogy. But just two of the names that continue to come up in some of the best fights that we've had throughout the peak era of MMA. And just were fantastic fighters, like high, high, high level guys. And then obviously, Big Nag, getting into influencing the jujitsu of Anderson Silva and helping him along his career, like impact on MMA, nearly unmatched. Shout out to Big Nag and Lil'nog. And then number one for me, this was very easy.

It could not have been anybody else, but it's based on the resumes, but it's also just based on the swag, the badassery, being BMFs, Nick, Nick. the Diaz brothers. It has to be. Prison fucking. Prison fucking, Frank? No judgment. Number one, Nick and Nate Diaz. Like, just every photo of them, every interaction.

Shout to the shoes on in the octagon. They are. Famous brothers by far. Yeah. They're the most notable brothers we've ever had in the sport, but also just like, they're the ones that casual fans know. They're the ones that if you're talking to anybody, If you say, like, who are those brothers in MMA?

The answer is the Diaz brothers. That's like a guaranteed answer. For me, it was very easy. It got tougher for the rest, and we'll go through, we can obviously go through some honorable mentions at the end of this, but I knew who my number one would be. Yeah. Some people in the chat saying we should have mentioned the bust

when we talked about the Nogara brothers. The carrot and the bus. They did feed a carrot to the bus. All right, Frank, are you up, brother? I am of. That's a great list, by the way. Yeah, that's actually a really good list. Oh, what does that mean?

Is yours going to be better? I mean, look, my number five are Jim and Dan Miller. Hey, shout out. You know what's up? I know what's up. There's his own. My number four. Oh, they know what's up.

I know what's up. What else can he say? The Schoenko sisters. Oh, shout out. Seen here in the octagon. Number three, the Pitbull Brothers. Yeah. One on top of the other.

Love that one. Then you've got both shows. Jogan and Ninja, the Rua brothers, at my number two. Embracing. You got to love it. And then my number one is actually the same as Ricks. It is Nick and Nate Diaz. Looking like just a beautiful family right here.

Hey, good shit, Frank. Good shit. No problem. Take us away, Connor. To be honest, though, his list was pretty good. I was going to say, it was a decent list, but you just had nothing to say. Nothing to say about it, but it was a good list. And Tenina and Valentina Shepchanko.

And my number two, all right. All right. It was a good list, though. You don't know good stuff, Frank. Would that take you 17 seconds? All right. My number five, like you had on your list as well. Anthony and Sergio Pettis, UFC champ, Bellator champ,

45 wins combined between them. Is that true? Wow, that's pretty impressive. Yeah, 45 professional wins combined between them. It might even be higher. It might not even be like 50. Did I do the math wrong? I feel like they both have 25 wins.

God damn. Yeah, yeah, here we go. I mean, is there nothing better than someone trying to Google things? Yep, Sergio, 25. Yep, 50 professional ones between them. I don't know why I wrote down 45. In front of the Wheaties box,

can't really see it, but it's there. There it is. Old AP on the front of the Wheaties box. Shout out to them, that's my number five. Number four, I'm actually going to go to boxing. Oh. Vitaly and Vladimir Klitschko. That's a great one.

Combined 40 heavyweight title fight victories, a gold medal, the other one got suspended from the Olympics, so they could have potentially had two. At one point, had all five major belts, WBA, B-A-B-O, B-C, I-B-F, and the Ring, over a decade consecutive of one of them holding some sort of belt in heavyweight. It was a dominant area for them. Number three, we're back in the Octagon and the Ring as well. No gloves for either of these guys, though.

Bruce and Michael Buffer Any major event in the fight game is synonymous with these two introducing it. Let's get ready to rumble. It's time. Any huge fight in the last God, what? 50 years. Yeah. Has been announced by these two.

Legends. Legends of the game. Bruce and Michael Buffer. Number two, it's both y'all's number one. Nick Oh, this is... And Nate Diaz, the most famous siblings. What else can you say about? Legends, the Stockton, 209, put the birds up, baby. Yeah. Where are you at, George?

Where you had, George? Yeah, just legends of the game. Fan favorites for a reason. Who could be number one? Shout out to Nick and Nate Diaz. My number one, the goats. A combined 20 victories between the two, and only 10 defeats.

It is. Who is this? Tama and James Tahuna. James Tihuna. Legend. Look at him, baby. Oh, yeah. Tama Tahuna had a brief stint in MMA going four and one.

There it is. Shout out to him. That Tihuna tattoo. Hey, last fought in November of 2012. We thought we were going to see a comeback in 2013. Unfortunately, never came to fruition. That could have been the start of the UFC run, but yeah, there it is. James Tihuna's brother Tama Tahuna to make his UFC combat at Gladiary.

There's your Facebook post from 2012. Shout out to Tama Tahuna, one half of the best fight siblings to ever live. What you think to say about James? I said one half of the best fight siblings ever live. Shout to Umar and Usman. I agree with you, 39 and 1, PFL champ. Wideman and Wonderboy through marriage. Brother-in-law.

Oh, yeah. I'd want to know who else. else is a brother-in-law. James Tehuno? Mo and Camaro Oussman? No, those are actual brothers. It's funny that he plays this drop. Oh.

Tyson Pedro, tied to Ibasa, brother-in-law's. I knew that. Who's to check? Who knows? That makes the James Tohuna clip even funnier that Ariel was talking about his brother-in-law. If you had said,

if you had said Tyson Pedro and Taitouibasa and showed a picture of James Tehuna. It could have happened. It could happen. God damn it. Or if I had said James Tehona and showed a picture of Tyson Pedro and Taitoosa.

There are two super chats that are just mentioning honorable mentions. I thought we'd do them now. Please rip it. Rip it. One is from Daniel and he says Robert Garcia and Mikey Garcia. Yeah. Shout out to him. And then Big Cloud says Fabian and Leon Edwards.

Yeah. For sure. Fabian. For sure. Cross says in-laws only apply to parents. That just is not true. I have a sister-in-law. Drew Dober and Nick Hine are brothers-in-law as well. What does that mean?

It only applies to parents. You can only have a father-in-law, is what he said? Oh, wow. Tafa brothers. For sure. Oh, my God. Walter and Johnny Walker. Walter and Johnny.

Did anybody consider having John and Jason Anick on their... I did consider it. They'd consider it. Ultimately, didn't make the list. That's fucking. illegal. Paul's? Yeah, Jonathan McCoy, the Paul brothers? Pumpkinette says the Tate brothers? Yeah, these, I didn't quite make the list. Well, no, I mean, what's the other brother's name? What's the non-Andrew one? I don't think he

fights. Oh, Tristan. I think he did at one point. Christian and Angela Lee. Shout out. The Shamrocks. Ken and Frank for sure. Alistair and Valentine Overim. Fiedor, but we don't want to talk about Alex as his other brother. Matt and Mark Hughes Matt Hughes, legend Menendez brothers Prison

I don't know who that is They're in prison for murdering brothers killing their parents I thought it was Alia and Alexandre Someone says

D.C. and chocolate Peppa Pig The Jordain brothers Jordan Oh Alex Perrin Elise Pereira Aline Aline Pereira

Yeah Aline Perez? No, not Aline Perez. Azitar brothers? Yeah. The news bros? Everybody I had, yeah, Matt, Mark, everybody I had... The Dudley brothers.

No, the Dudley brothers. No, the Dudley... Mysterious Frank says the Mario brothers. The Bella Sisters. Yeah, Bella sisters is WWE. The Hardy brothers. Did you think about going wrestling? Nah.

I wasn't going wrestling on this. I'm seeing Asakuro Bros. Yep. Megan O'Leavy and Joseph. uh joe b that's that's marriage that's not sibling ariel hawani and rampage jackson i mean kind of brothers day gilbert and herbert burns and then someone says davison and the other figurato brother his brother does fight i know the charlo brothers in boxing shout out the charlos but i i didn't i didn't dig deep enough on boxing i mean the clitchgoes is a is a great one yeah

uh mazuki and naoki in a way shot out i stayed away from wrestling on Yeah, go ahead. Because Hogan was like Everyone's brother, right? Like he kept saying like, yeah, I got you brother. No, he did Jim and Dan Miller. Oh, that's right. Yeah, I did have Joe and Dan.

This is a hobby brothers? That's not bad. That is a good one because that's coach and fight. Shout out to Frank, who's talked more in this now post segment than he did in the actual list. Yeah, thanks for that. Oh, that's fucking illegal.

This is a mistake. He has played this entirely too much. We fucked up giving him this. drop. That's fucking illegal. The darkest brothers, Chris and Kyle, Kyle fighting next week. Shout out to Jake who after the show goes through and like censors this show. Jake, I'm sorry for today, brother.

Frank has something for you, you know? This is your gift. This is your gift. Matthew says Brennan Chauvin, damn, never mind. And, oh, Brennan Chauvin, In white Eskimo brothers. Sammy says, sends in 50 Swedish Crows. He says, talking brothers, Smith brothers in boxing, Liam and Callum became world champions. Paul and Stephen have fought for world championships. The Bones brothers, that's not in strictly fighting. Ooh, the Rutolo brothers. Oh, yeah. It's not bad. Tie and Kade, shout up. For Tita brothers, I did think about them. Oh, fuck. Yeah, that's up there. They would admit on my list if I remember. That's my mistake. Someone says Ngano and Mike Perry. Ilya and Alessandre Teporia. Marab and Aljo, they are brothers.

What is the line for that? Like, what would we accept as a brother that's not actual blood relation? I don't know. Yeah. None of them are not Magamatovs. We actually had Umar and Usman and then shouted them out again as well.

Sorry about that. Yippikai. I guess we didn't say it enough. Pravola brothers. Does he have a... There's another guy? All right. I feel like we hit them all.

Thank you for chatting in. the Super Smash brothers, yeah. Luis and Orion Sosei. Yeah, shout out. There they are. All right, Frankie, that is the pound for pound list for this week. Best Fight Siblings. Frankie, we got any voicemails, brother?

Voice smells. Ahoy, hoi. What's up, boys? This is Spike from Boston. I want to talk and debate about penalties for iPokes this week, talking like taking away points, DQ losses. Just want to throw up. some other options because i don't know that we're thinking big enough so is a list of other

proposed penalties for if you poke your opponent in the eye okay number one maybe your opponent gets to poke you in the eye i don't mind that just take it and not flinch like power slap call it power poke number two your home address is shown on screen for 10 seconds that could be fun number three your opponent gets to use a sword for the next 90 seconds of the fight okay Dole sword, sharp sword, sword on fire, whatever. You know, I guess that's going to depend on commissions. Number four, maybe before the fight, yeah, maybe before the fight the fighters have to write down a little sticky note. A private personal trouble that really haunt them, you know, that they don't talk about, and they get that to the ref.

So if you poke somebody in the eye, the ref is given a microphone and they read it out loud to everybody in the crowd and TV. This is going to stop it. TZ kind of bully way like I have this guy you know never made peace with his dad or some shit number five probably not number five and then finally um if the poke is so bad your opponent can't continue it's not a DQ or a no contest I think your opponent gets your identity and you got to go off grid like you have to completely disappear and stop existing and all your stuff and your friends and your money and everything that you ever were all of your being is now

your opponents and you've got to just go live in the woods and never be these are just some ideas credit score love the show bye that was maybe our best call ever Spike thank you that was fantastic well thought out well laid out and I think all of those are our due punishment

for the I poke deepest darkest secret revealed written on a sticky note and then you get made fun of afterward yeah I like that by the way I did the research the brother the twin, apparently, brother of Matt Fravola, James

Ravola, fought at Ruff and Routy. There it is. Those are Ruff and Routy. Those are fighting brothers. I didn't even know he had a brother. Love it. Hey, boys. This is Kevin from Columbia. Appreciate all you do. Quick question about

being that Connor was out this past week, but this week, when Eric says he's not sick, but he's got all the symptoms of being sick. I text direct this towards you, Erica. What do you call it?

Just allergies? Denial. He does say allergies. I remember a number of episodes where you guys have talked about this and I'm just confused on on that side of it. I love to hear your He just says allergies?

Appreciate it. Or he just goes, sniffles. Yeah, or he just goes, nah, nah, nah. Let me correct the record. I've never been sick. So there's nothing to This call has no meaning. Cue the clip of, I had walking pneumonia

like two days ago. No, walking pneumonia is something else. That's like another thing. It's when you are walking and you have pneumonia. He thinks he's doing us a favor by coming in sick and not mentioning anything about it. And then when one of us gets sick down the line, he's like, well, I was never sick.

Yeah, and he like shakes his head. What's funny about this is what inevitably happens is you guys get sick and then somebody else gets sick. I'm not sick. And then everybody forgets about that. But when I'm sick, When I'm sick, I own up to it, though. It's never happened, by the way.

I'm like, I'm sick. I know, but I don't get people sick because I'm not, I never get sick. I don't get sick, so I can't get people sick. Can I just say, I've been doing the math in my head since you said that about the time that I was away and got sick? Remember Rick? Sounds like you were away. I don't know what your, hands up. What was the watch party that we did that Rick was literally on his death?

Wait, the math on what? Break this down from me. I was like, okay, when did Eric say he had walking pneumonia? Because I didn't say. So you don't know. I didn't say it on. No, you said that. We have it on tape. No, I said I got it. I never said when.

Right. So this is me backtracking. This is me thinking. Is this what happened? Good luck figuring it out because I've never been sick. There was one watch party where Rick was literally on his deathbed. It finished and he took out the earpiece and he was like, bright yellow, sunken eyes. I was like, oh, I'm glad I just sat in this tiny studio with you for the last four hours. I was really rough after that watch party. I wish I knew what happened, but I didn't get sick on that one. Never been sick. What's up, boys, in the back. It's Olin, aka M.M.A. Nomily.

Hey, my guy. Beautiful day over there. Look, while we're on the topic of the eye poke situation, I have a crazy idea. Okay. Why don't we implement a strike system? If you poke someone in the eye during a fight, you get one strike. If you poke someone in the eye on another fight, you get a second strike.

On your third strike, you get suspended in some way, shape, or form, whether it be six months, a year, et cetera. And obviously, we can base the severity of the suspension on the severity of the fouls. What do you guys think? Thanks for taking the question, guys. Ovin, you're the man. Olin, you're the man. I'm sorry, we have an Oven on our team,

who's also the man. That man's energy is on point. Met him out in Vegas this past year for an international fight week. The issue with that is like, imagine like it was Cyril gone, and it's like he pokes Tom As well, it's like, this is his third eye poke.

Like, oh my God, they're not going to be able to continue, and now we can't do the rematch for a year because now Serogon's suspension because that's his third strike. I feel like it just needs to be a fight-by-fight basis. Yeah, and that's kind of like the NBA is like technical fouls, right? It's like it accumulates and then you get suspended, but the fighters fight too infrequently. I don't know if you could do suspension.

I don't mind the idea. They fight too infrequently and it's just them in the NBA. It's like, all right, you're out. You're still a game, yeah. I don't know if it's a bad idea that we do track that, though, right? Is there somewhere where we have like a database that's like, this guy eye pokes 10 times? This guy, I wouldn't mind seeing that. So maybe they should track that.

They should track that, and they should track how many warnings referees get. Yeah. I'd like to know some data on this, actually. But I don't think we can go suspension. Howdy, Charles from Charleston. Charleston boys in the back. Thanks, man. Ariel's show in general has the highest quality of production value in terms of any MMA show.

So on to the team back to. I'm wondering, amongst other programs in the sports. category. What shows are you looking to for inspiration? And could you grade them potentially here? Just give some that you're inspired by. Anyway, cheers, fellows. It's a great question. Also, appreciate the compliment. We are at the end of the day, just producers, as is everybody else in the back. So we take great pride in that in making it look good. What was that for? I just said, uh. Oh, I didn't know A-2 is we're allowed to talk on the air.

That's so the production heads out there They'll enjoy that one Yeah, that's a very inside baseball joke there When it comes to other shows I mean, God, there's so many good ones I mean, just like within MMA, like look at DJ, dude DJ set up, every time he joins the show too It's just like crystal clear

Shout out to Mike Wantsover, he is killing it for him And then there's just like It's a diamond dozen now with YouTube and high production value programs I mean I am always in favor of in person, real set, not just like a Zoom and you have like a background behind you, but man, there's too many to name, and I also can't think of any at the same time. I don't watch or consume a lot of like sports stuff. I listen to a lot of audio podcasts,

and the stuff that I'm inspired by is like just good conversation. And I think Ariel does a great job of getting that out of our guests but I also listen to like a lot of podcasts where it's like this type of show where people are just having a like conversation back and forth between two or three different people Pablo Tori finds out is a fantastic show that really is like catching a lot of momentum right now

also we love the production aspect and we really like stuff to look good there are people on YouTube that have insane success with zero production value at all it's just them talking yeah and and the like I show speeds and and those types of guys started with just like hey there's a cam on me and we're just going to talk and

then all of a sudden and kaisenade and guys like that now they're traveling the world live streaming from everywhere it's it's insane we take pride in the production as connor said but like i think the heart of it is less so on the production side and more so on just like i think i think it's 991 if you're talking about percentiles if your content is shit then no one's going to watch it doesn't matter how pretty this set is but the the the that one 1% is so crucial, like the elevation between, as you said, like, just like two people sitting in a Zoom call versus like, hey, we dress this up, we make it look nice, we put effort into the graphics and the animations and cutting cameras, right? Like going from this shot to that shot, all this stuff matters and it makes it more dynamic. Also is the quickest way to get someone who has never watched before to at least give it a minute to stay.

Right, because they go, oh, somebody's putting effort into this, I should at least look. Yeah. Thank you, though. We really appreciate it. Yo, what up, boys? Dylan, calling from Laguna, Miguel, California. I'll start off by saying that I love the fucking show. Appreciate you. It's just amazing what you guys do. My favorite part of my day is getting off work, hitting the fucking pen,

taking my dog on, like, a two-mile walk, and just listening to the show. I just want to start off by saying that. Okay, but I got some fucking V from G-C. Okay, let's hear it. So I've been holding on to this for a while Oh good The UFC 316 Mega preview

With Jordan Levitt Oh yeah Had the interview At 1 20, hour, 28 minutes into that interview GC's talking about But fictional characters That like

Jordan finds like Inspired him Through his mixed martial art career And then he said Uncle Eero He said I got some Uncle Ero With me first pause Second

Who the fuck is Uncle Eero Like Uncle Iro And I'm not trying to be that dude That's like Oh You're being that dude. Nobody says it. In the whole show, they call him Iro.

And I'm just disappointed because GCX, like, this big, like, Avatar Last Airbender fan. I mean, I've watched this show three times. I'm pretty sure Frank gave it for his birthday one year. Like, an Avatar Last Airbender book. Yes, that's true. I'm a big fan, bro. And I think he needs to give me that. Like, that's the English dove.

Connor was referencing the original Japanese pronunciation. Good on you, Connor. No, honestly, that's a great call. That's a great shout. I'm glad that that's stewed within you for the last five months. I'm glad that the anger was ripe and real, because, yeah, you got me. I mean, I'm going to be totally honest. I'm pretty sure if we go back to that, we're looking at, like, a giant graphic,

and I'm just, like, spouting off names. So it was just a slip of the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I own up to my mistake. I am sorry. Thank you for the call. The level of detail. Hour 20 minute mark.

It's incredible. Boys in the back. They're like with Colorado. got a question first does Ariel not remind you guys of like a I want to say goofy or wackier but multiverse Ned Flanders just you know our reality is he is he are Ned Flanders trade love to hear which one of the Simpson would you guys be just curious second question okay who are we are you only allowing in this mailman fight league other delivery drivers

like Amazon and FedEx, UPS. What do you have? Absolutely. Because I'm a delivery driver, but I'm a milkman. Nice. Yeah, that's right. We still exist. I don't believe this. I'm not saying my job's hard.

I just like the site. Let me know if we're eligible. Thank you, boys. Imagine how strong as bones are. Okay, amazing call. First, rip the band-aid off. I don't believe you. I don't think you're actually a mailman.

I don't think milkmen. I don't think milkmen still exist anymore. We got a call. about a proposal the other week. That was fake. We got duped on that one. I think we're getting on the milkman. I don't believe the milkman. I don't, I don't believe the milk man. I want to see a picture of you in the white button down black collar with a crate of six milk cartons delivering it to someone. I want to see that. They don't still dress up like they're in the 50s, Connor. Like they just look like normal Amazon delivery guys with the pretty milk. We mean right

normal. You're right. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Frank. What's all fair about Is he bringing like six bottles to a house for a family for the week? Or like we're talking about he's a milkman, like he drives like the Mayfield truck and he delivers gallons upon gallons to grocery stores? We need to find out. Honestly, at the end of the day, ultimately the bottom line is if you deliver something, you're eligible for the mailman fight league. That's right.

Whether we'll have our DoorDash Uber Eats division, we'll have our U.S. USPS, D-HL division. We'll have our UPS FedEx division. Street Pharmacists. And then we'll add in the Milkman Division. That'll be like the miscellaneous category. Milk, drugs, you know. Simpsons.

Also, is Ariel not like Brock? Like, who's the broadcaster guy? Brock something? Brock. I don't know. You're talking about the news announcer from the Simpsons. Yeah, I don't think he's Ned Flanders. Maybe like when he does the.

Kent Brockman. Ken Brockman. When he does the scream sometimes, I guess I could see it. But who are we? Not in Flanders though. I think Connor is Smithers. Wow. Smithers is the old one? No. He's the lackey to the

Mr. Burns. He's the right hand man. Oh, who's Mr. Burns? That's the old one. Yeah, no, no, no. I'm asking him. No, no. He's the one is the head of the company. Yeah, I got it, man. Who in this universe is Mr. Burns? I think I'm Mr. Burns. I disagree with these things. Who am I?

I think I'm Mr. Burns. You're a boo. A poo. I'm the Scottish janitor. That's a good one. Oh, groundskeeper Willie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not bad.

I'm groundkeeper Willie. I think I am actually Mr. Burns, but Frank seems to... Where it proudly. Who are you, Frank? They could go with the comic bookstore guy. Yeah, your comic book. Oh, for sure, you're comic book store guy. Jordan is Mo.

I need Amanda Hugging. I think Andy is Marge and camera guy Nick is Lisa. Andy is definitely Lisa. Andy's Lisa. I don't know if this is good or bad. I've never watched. I don't, I think she's the smartest one, Andy. Take that for what it's worth.

Yeah, I think it's, uh, who's Maggie? Maggie's just a baby, man. Maggie is, yeah. Maggie's who? Oh, he's just noting you not. We all know. We all know. It's his news to tell.

Right. Right, right. It makes sense. What's up, boys in the back? What's up, bro? It's Trey from South Dakota. I was just thinking back to your last week's episode. And someone mentioned, like, the pound for pound is the best segment. And don't get me wrong, it is a good segment.

I really enjoy it. I was for it every week. All right. But the voicemail segment is obviously. the greatest okay, all right, sorry, six,

sick, I thought he was just going to shit on work. Like, It's your boy Bodkins, that alone. Like,

I've referenced that to my friends who don't watch MMA, don't listen to this fucking podcast. It's your boy Bodkins.

The fuck are you talking about, man? Like, um, you wouldn't get it. You wouldn't get it. So, shout out to Bodkin.

Shout out to Frank. Shout out to the voicemail segment. Shout out to hanging up. Oh, wow. Yeah, very abruptly. Wow,

that was like a shout out to the boy shout out to the uh shout out to bodkins that's great the idea of you being like it's your boy bodkins and your friends being like who the fuck is bodkins what are you talking about what if you had to put a percentage chance on it the percentage chance that anybody knew what he was saying at any point in human history has to be like 0000 zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero I mean you're talking about like at most with how many views we do like maybe 15,000 people on earth would understand that that reference? And you're just never going to know them. Spread across the globe.

The entire world. That's your boy, Bodkins. What if one day he's just somewhere and he's like telling his girl, like, it's your boy Bodkits, and then somebody over the shoulder is like I got that. Yeah. The way he delivers it to is fantastic.

Shout out to Bodkins. Shout to that guy. Hey, G.P. You hate on the us a boy, motherfucker. You see, I do it's aspirinoc and now, puppy. Mama's horrible, big Dominican, yeah, yeah. Thank you, Walter. That was it.

That was the whole, we just got a voicemail from Waldo Cortez-A-Costa. He's coming for you. He's coming for Tom, man. He's already back in the gym. He's already back in the gym. Hokeet, Cortez Acosta in 2029 is going to hit, like, crap. Oh, 20209.

UFC 400. Okay. Frank saying he has no more voicemails until the break. Huh? That wasn't even my voice. Yeah, they're all pretty long. You say you have no more voice once the break. All right.

Play it or don't, Frankie. Play it or don't. Hey, guys, it's B.C. from Tucson. What's up B.C? I just stopped the interview with Steve Garcia when he said that he cut all of his fight posters for the fight that he's been on. And I went back and looked at him. Which of these posters would you actually keep?

I thought they were going to be horrendous. They're actually not that bad. Benevides versus Piggy. Keeping. Durrne versus Rodriguez. Oh, keeping, legendary. Caldicator versus Allen. Nope.

UFC 275 in there. Yo, shout out. And then Song versus Gutierrez. Yuri Glover. Oh, yeah. Burns versus Brady. Lamos versus Janjiroba. No.

Texiara versus Lerra versus Lerre. Lewis? And then obviously Garcia versus Onama. Garcia versus Onama, UFC 275. 275, Talosin Tashara versus Derek Lewis. That's an auto. And Figgi Benavitas. Figuilla. All right,

we'll be back. Two minutes. After this short break, the rest of your voicemails. Don't go anywhere. All right, we are back on the program. Frankie. Let's finish off the voicemails, brother. It's up, boys. Shout out to all you guys. show so much makes me so happy it's like I'm the highlights in my week listening to you

my head appreciate you oh just Jacob from Denver um I appreciate you Jacob shout and uh I have a question today it's a little more of like a deep question and I would appreciate if you guys can answer it um you know I respect all you guys and I respect all your opinions and you know I've heard you say like really good thing so I thought I'd you know call in and you know ask about this I'm a young guy I'm my 21 um and And basically, there was this girl who was, like, a lot older than me. And we were together, like, three years ago. And then she moved away three years ago, and we went, like, no contact.

And I've been, like, desperately, like, in love with her ever since. Like, I think I thought about it every single day since she left. I love her so much, you know, I love her a lot still. And I texted her today for her birthday. And she replied and didn't think he was going to reply. and you know we kind of talked about things a little bit and like you know it just like became like very clear to me that like she like there's no way that she's ever coming back and I just don't like I don't know how to deal with it you know it's it like I know I know I'm young and everything but like you know right now it like feels like my whole world you know and yeah I don't know how to move on from it so if you guys have any tips you know any heartbreak tips any like life advice for someone who's young who's going through this you know I know it's not the end of the world but it feels like the end of the world so it's I know this is a long one, so anything you guys would say really help. Thank you.

All right, first and foremost. How much older did he say she was? Just older. He said he was 21, though. Relationship ended three years ago. That's fucking illegal. So you would have been 18. Yeah, but the relationship didn't start when it ended.

Right. What's this answer's question? Just saying, oh, this man. Poor guy is heartbroken and you're like, been heartbroken for three years is tough, man. I don't know. Typically, time is the thing that's going to heal it, you're so young. You're 21 years old. I guarantee you. I would

put my life on it that you will meet someone else and this girl that you're missing will be a thing of the past. I don't need to be that guy, but like, A, time and then B, meeting someone new that you are interested in is the quickest way to get over them. Yeah, for sure. And time passing quickest. It's kind of an oxymor on there. I kind of messed that up. But, Let the time pass meet someone new, but at three years, it's not to meet someone new. If you know it's over, you have to accept that and cut ties. I feel like you can probably take solace in the fact that now you know it's over, right? Like, it sounds like for three years he was kind of wondering.

He sent that text. They talked about it, and now I think he at least has some closure on it. Don't unfollow her on Instagram. Delete the number. Don't bother with that, right? Like, if it's over, over, then it's over. don't mind yourself of that and just keep thinking about that time to move on block you don't have to block like it doesn't sound like it was um every time we're getting serious here uh it doesn't

sound like it was um a bad split right because you're texting and wishing a happy birthday but there's no benefit to to doing that get get rid of the the number don't follow on social media and just as if you're the one still in love like you're you're the one that's going to struggle through this. So like you just got to cut all ties to her. You can't talk to you. You can't keep up with or you can't do any of that. It's not going to be beneficial. If you've been in love with her for three years, you're not going to just become friends with her. So just cut all ties. Get out, try and meet someone new. And that is, that is what will ultimately get you over the hump. I know this is super cliche. And I know this is like, it feels easier to say than to experience and live through. But

like, I do find that the harder times, the times where you're really hurting are the times where you learn the most about yourself and you actually grow. When times are easy, like there's nothing to learn about yourself. There's nothing to struggle with. There's nothing to overcome. It's kind of just like, yeah, life's good right now. I'm coasting. When you are struggling, when you hit these roadblocks in life, this is when you kind of figure out what you're made of and learn about yourself and learn what you really don't want, learn what you really do want, learn how you deal with overcoming adversity and all these things. Use this as an opportunity. Like it hurts and feel that hurt for a bit. Like experience that hurt and then pick yourself up and move on from it and figure

out how you're going to continue to carry forward. And you're going to get hurt again. Like that's just reality. Like nobody just coasts through life with everything on easy street. So there's going to be moments where you're going to feel this type of pain again. Maybe it's not the exact same scenario. And you're going to be more experienced with how to deal with it. And you're going to get more experience with how to continue on. You're going to make it through. Everything's going to be okay. And you're going to find somebody great down the line. You're 21. It's going to be so. And it's all going to be good.

You're fine. But I know, I know that doesn't help right now. But to be honest, feel the pain. Truly sit there and feel the pain for a bit and figure out what you can do to move forward from there. And everything will be easy. It's cliche, but you're 21. You'll be. Yeah.

I promise. You're going to be okay. That was that, boy. That was deep, though. Frankie dropping shit right in the middle of. What's up, Brett? shout out Jeremy Maclin Oh shout out to Jeremy Macle

Oh my fucking man You have a very expensive jersey collection Do you know how many you have And do you have a favorite one? Thanks No clue how many I have It's a lot But man

That Hester one I got for the Chicago card Is up there That one is elite Thrashers authentic stitched Atlanta Thrashers jersey Has a special place in my heart what's your favorite type like what sport has the best jerseys

uh not basketball basketball is yeah that's supposed too difficult to rock like with like swag you gotta wear something it doesn't look like outer like it's not like you can't wear it out and look right I'd probably I'd probably go hockey hockey you can rock a hoodie underneath

and like you can really put an outfit together around a hockey jersey soccer jersey is decent too but I kind of like running in soccer jerseys I got a million I got a million soccer jerseys they're usually thin dry fit you could kind of do stuff. I got a 94 Biazio Italian jersey that's pretty nice,

like the blue with the collar. Those Irish jerseys that have are nice, too, the one that pizza got for me. Oh, yeah, love a good jersey, though. I got a Greg Maddox 90s jersey, legend, all-time goat. Yeah, I got some good ones. Yeah. Okay, boys, what up?

Is Zach from California? What's up, Zach? I woke up with a feeling, okay? It is Saturday, November 1st, before. UFC Vegas 110 and guys I just feel like I need to bet on Yadayr del Valle I feel like Isaac Del Garian cannot compete with him on the ground I feel like round one Del Vaya could definitely catch him okay so I'm telling you boys definitely I would bet on Yadier del Vaya tonight it's just a feeling okay it's just a feeling uh so bet the house baby we're all gonna be rich

all right have a good week guys bye fuck I wish I had gotten this I know I wish we last week there's a cutoff point before each show where we stopped taking voicemail And so this one obviously came in that day, but after... Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. The guy nailed it. He nailed it.

He cashed out on that one. Great call by you, man. Honestly, Frank should have alerted us to that. Like, he gets the notifications. I'm kind of upset. Someone else got alerted to it. And it wasn't us. A lot of people got alerted to it.

Yeah. Federal Bureau. Hey, guys. It's Mary Jo. I had a quick question about... Mary. Mary. Mary.

betting scandal and all that. There was a guy on the show last weekend, and he literally turned to Frank Tanyoni and said to him on the air while the cameras were rolling, hey, it's great that you've been my ref. Every time you're my ref, I always win. Did anybody else pick up on that? I did not. And also the guy who couldn't fight on the pay-per-view because he couldn't get the ankle-bring. race went off, D.C.

was saying he looked like he was about to tap before he tapped. I mean, like, there are so many questionable weird things that happened this week. I was just wondering because I haven't listened to all the episodes yet, but I wanted to get this voicemail in. Again, Mary

Joe, one of your female folks. We love you, Mary Joe. God on Mary Joe. I wanted to, like, ask these questions. All right, thanks a lot. Because you're doing great. It's been a bonkers week with this news. and all this stuff going on.

All right. Have a great one. You too, Mary Jo. Thank you again. So I didn't hear it. I don't recall if I heard it in that specific instance, but I have heard in K. H. Chatter before where a guy does say to a ref, like, I love having you as my ref. I always win.

I didn't hear it this weekend. The SD Dumas won. Yeah, I mean, when you watch it. He's like hitting choked and he just like has his arms out like this. and I mean we know it wouldn't hurt if he got a little extra coin but like who's to say

I don't know that's kind of the issue here is that you're going to go back and watch any of these fights and be like be like man this one kind of this one kind of looked

like it was fixed no? Prior to this moment everything got the benefit of the doubt it was like oh man that looks shady as fuck

but like referees in MMA suck judges in MMA suck this guy is not a good fighter you know whatever Now everything gets the opposite. Now nothing gets the benefit of the doubt. Everything is perceived as starting as rigged. Everything is perceived as starting as a dive.

So it's like a real dicey territory to be in right now. Mike Jackson at the APX card plus 700 on the dog. Double I poke the only time someone's been given a loss for Ipox. Dean Barry, right? That one looking back looks a little dicey, dicey. I don't These are all These are all

Alleged Who's to check? Oh my God Cash Patel Yeah I mean like I don't know Just you look at these things

In retrospect Sometimes when we were in Atlantic City Vicente Lucke Kind of like a What the fuck Was that performance But you just You never know

You never know You never know You never know There's just a couple that you look back at and you're like I will say just to go back to the original I always win with you

as my ref thing feels pretty innocuous I don't think like I wouldn't read too much into that that now granted I'm not saying that there isn't a chance that anything could have happened in that scenario I think this is going to be widespread and I think there's going to be some

consequences coming from it but I do think that's more of like there's guys you like as your ref there's guys you don't like as your ref and sometimes the fighter is just like, yeah, I do well when I have you. So I don't read too much into that one, but again, everything's looked through this lens now.

It's not the benefit of the doubt. It is the opposite now. Everything's seen through the Frank lens. Who me? Wow. On point. Yeah, this one isn't for the boys in the back. It's for, you know,

the aerial thing to death. Oh, okay. This is the boys in the back voice number. I don't know it's last name. Luda Bell. He was a great guess it was more like a conversation than an interview

I mean it was a conversation Eric can learn how to do Wait what was that at the end Run that one back Can learn how to do What the fuck? Did he say Eric can learn how to do

fucking Eric can learn how to do Something Ariel can learn how to do Something Ariel can learn how to do No I don't know Because he's saying Ariel did great No clue Anyway

Thanks for the call man It was I mean Yeah shout to Luda Bell It was an absolutely incredible conversation between Lou and Ariel. Yeah, it got heated. It was nuts. You got to submit that on the nose next time. Yeah, this is the BITB.

Yeah, this is BITB. Yeah, this is BITB. What's up, y'all, and Bond, coming, calling out from Boston. Hope all as well. What up, G.C. What up, Frank? What up, Frank? What's up, Mike?

Quick question. G.C. might not remember this, but Rick definitely will. Remember at the Way-ins back in the day? Um, sort of like the square off part, there'd be like this like Sylvester Stallone looking dudes always sort of behind the fighters where like Rogan or Dana would be normally. He always were like big Elvis shades. I grew up a UFC and boxing fan. I'd been to a million fights and I would see him all the time at boxing and UFC events.

Do you if that rings a bell. Hope all as well. Love what y'all do. And, uh, go SMU ponies. Co-S-M-U ponies, bro. Shout out to the Mustangs. You said it's Chuck Zito? That's a guy named Chuck Zito, yeah.

Shout out. Actor, my favorite role of his, was on the HBO series Oz. He was tremendous on that. I thought he was making an insinuation that it was Mr. Moneybags himself. No, but check out the glasses. Oh, yeah. Chuck Zito. That was Chuck Zito.

Thank you for the call, brother. So Vester Stallone look-alike is a tape. A little bit? That's a compliment. It's a big Chuck EZ. But shout out Chuck Zito. Yeah, he is somebody who has been, like, he has been showing up in the background of UFC boxing shit for as long as I've been watching. He's an OG.

What's up, guys? Pablo from Chicago. Wow. First thing I want to do is show some love. I listen to a lot of podcasts, and there's no other show that has interjected itself into my life more than BITB and the MMA hour. Let's go. I want to show me. grocery store the other day and my wife asked how much i spent and i hit her with this turkey million i was watching the hurricane katrina doc on netflix

and what do i see in the background the cafe fucking dumont and i say out loud ariel once shared a baggett with my breeder or whatever i heard a little kid cuss at the park the other day and i thought to myself did he kiss his mother's ass with that now so shout out to you guys Shout out to you, brother. But now it's the real reason I'm here. Okay, let's get to it. I'm trying to become the first ever uncrown triple crown champion. Let me explain. I've been on big hitters when I bet $20. Nazine Satikov would submit Terrence McKinney in the second round and won $600.

Legendary. D.C. called it an absolute dart. No big deal. What was a d'clock out, GC? Good job. I was on On the Nose and asked Ariel what fictional spurt character he would like to interview and he answered as the last question on my birthday. Imagine how I've got worked for that. Happy birthday, brother. And now I just need to be on boy sales. Big up to you guys. You made it. You did it. You know what you guys do. You did it,

brother. You made it. That was an incredible call. You kiss your mother's ass with that. Kiss your mother's ass with that mouth is so good. And the 30 million for a kitchen scrap is just incredible. I don't know how I'm going to dress up as that for St. Patrick's Day, but I'm going to figure out a way. And it's going to be great. Maybe a, maybe a bag of $30 million. Well, wouldn't you just have to dress up as Pizzi? You wear the track, the... I'm thinking we do a duo costume. You dress up as like a kitchen sink

and like a stove, and I'll be a bag of 30... It's kitchen scraps. 30 million. Yeah. No, no, but it's not scraps like that, Frank. Was that a clean saying? Can we get that as a drop? No, I don't think he was... And I think everybody was laughing.

Yeah, yeah. I think... 30 million. Yo. Boys in the back. Jimmer. What's up, Jim? Clear that throat next time, brother. And said, I was going to do my brother's best man speech.

Oh, yeah. How to go. And it went good. Yes. I did not bomb. I'm pleased to do, I did not bomb. Brody, Jim. Thank you guys for the advice.

I did keep it light. Didn't really use really any inside jokes at all. I just kind of tried to keep it about the groom and his bride. and um yeah it was a perfectly forgettable speech and nobody will remember that jimmer fucks the speech up so yeah anyways i have a question for you guys this week rip it who do you guys think is the most overhated uh athlete in the ufc right now not overrated but i like this this is a great question Yeah, my vote would go for Sugar Sean O'Malley. I just think that a lot of people like to look at the hair and the cars and the brash personality,

but real ones know that he's actually a pretty good guy and dedicates a lot of his time to his community and to his family. And, yeah, I think he's a way better guy than people give him credit for. But, yeah, anyways, I would just like to see who you guys think is the most over-hated athletes. in the UFC. That's a great question. Before you answer, we're taking Tom Aspinol off the table. Right, just because that's circumstantial to what's going on.

It's so topical. Like, we can't, like, that's not included. It's definitely not all the court de cost. Mario Batista has to be up there. I feel like people have chilled out a little bit on him. But, like, there was a time where, like, people really hated him. I think Belal gets too much hate. He was my number one.

Yeah, I think Belal gets, like, way too much hate. There's a few. Balal. Ian Eam Chado Garry Gets an unnecessary amount of hate The

The What is it? Like the cuck-stic Has run its course It's done It's not funny It's so dumb It's based on nothing

Um Mavsar Mavsar Yeah Like he gets hated on It's like What the fuck did he ever do to anybody Go to decision 10 times

Yeah but okay So does a lot of people who gets some heavy heat anybody who dislikes Juliana Pena Pena is a good one I agree with that Pena gets unnecessary heat Who else?

I mean Bala is probably the answer If I'm being honest We're just like universally disliked Well just Bala like nobody gives him credit for anything he does They're just like fuck that guy Yeah I think it's a good list Aljo Oh great one

That was just a good one. I feel like people have turned until the Tom video. Yeah, true, true. It was a joke. Hey, boys, I'm JBNBC here, and I'm just listening to today's episode with you guys in Ariel at the end. You're saying you want some better questions. So I don't know if this qualifies, but I'm genuinely curious. Oh, let's hear it.

How good are you guys at working with tools? Power tools, hand tools. I like it. Start sweating. Yeah, use a saw. To cut some wood. Can you build something if you needed to? I mean, I'm a carpenter.

Oh, sick. General contractor. New framing, siding. I just spent a better part of 10 hours outside getting just rained on. Fucking sucked. But I'm listening to podcasts, just trying to make the best of it. Because, you know, you got to make that money, right? So, anyway.

Got it. I'm just curious. Are you that candy? Because I could picture it. But at the same time, I mean, no offense. but city boys All right Let me know

Cities need tools I'd shop down the tree To build this desk And built this desk with my bare hands I thought you're being serious For a second No On a scale of 1 to 10

I'm like A 4 What's 10? 10 is like contractor 10 is like You're a carpenter 10 is like You can

I don't know Like square something up Without even using a level I can know I think 10 is actually like You can take raw materials and make something. Okay, then maybe I'm a three.

Like, I can, I'm, I can build stuff with instructions. I can change a tire. I can, like, hang pictures in my, in my house. Like, I can do, like, basic things. What about take, like, mounting my TV? I'm calling a guy. Okay. Okay.

I'm not because you couldn't, right? Just you don't have the experience of doing it. You don't want to fuck it up. I know you could do it. I'm sure if I could or couldn't, but I don't want to fuck it up. fucking try. I'd rather pay the 150 bucks and be done with it. I'm there at my point of life.

I'm probably the one notch above that. Like, I can be handy at times like I can make things, but like the most bare bones, smallest things. Like, I can put things together with two by fours, hammer, nail, like, make something. But it's for propping something up. I'm not like

making a beautiful piece of anything. You mow your lawn? It's going to look like dog shit. I don't, but that's just like a time thing. Yeah. I used to mow the shit out of my lawn back in the day. You used to have a lawn milling business when I was young. The guy who owns the company that mows my lawn lives two doors down, nicest family in the world.

It's the best arrangement in the world. I save so much time. They're great. Ripper riding. Maybe a discount. No, but they have very fair prices. I'm always looking for an excuse to use the drill, you know? I love a good drill. So you're handy. But no, like I'm more handy with if you could believe this, like electronics. I could solder

the shit out of something. I very much believe that. I can use a oscilloscope. It can replace vacuum tubes, you know, but. If you can believe it said the nerdy guy into electronics. Wow. We actually call her Handy andy in the back. She built her own house in New York.

It was incredible. By hand. Yeah? I can make cable, though. I can do that. From like the raw copper? Yeah. That's really cool.

Hey, it's Harry Cohn again from Long Island. Shut up. New York Rick. In her own. I got a favor to ask for you. A few of the boys. and I got together and

as far as how often you're going to say ultimately this episode we agreed that the line was going to be set at 9.5 so let's say you get this on the oversight of this and I'll flip the... I think we were under is this? Is this is that... Are you trying to fix

this competition? That's fucking illegal. We found him, he's on Long Island. But ultimately I do feel like we were under for this episode. Maybe. I don't feel like we... I don't know. Nine and a half? an official count on Montoya the other day. It was egregious. You don't trust the transcript?

No, I don't. There's no way it was only 13. Yeah, there was like 10 in one sentence. We picked up on it by the time he had said it seven or eight times. And then he said it another 35 times. There were a couple sentences where he was like, ultimately, I'm going to say these words. And then ultimately, we'll get to a point where I say ultimately again. Yeah. No, we will not help you rig the ultimately. It's an earworm, though. Once you hear it, you can't stop saying it. That was all of the voicemails. Oh, okay. Thank you so much for everyone that called in. Those were fantastic. Appreciate all the support and all of the questions. Truly, like that guy said, one of the best segments. Is it better than pound for pound? I don't know. It's definitely not,

it's definitely not dumber than pound for pound. Pound for pound dumbest segment that we have. Do we have any super chats, Frankie? Damn right, we do. They're extra super today. Oh. First one's from Mason. This is happy 12, referring to the 12 months that they've been remember frank have you been to a boiler room they're referring to an event what is that it happens in several cities across the world really where it's just like a DJ playing in front of like a live stream um with a crowd around them really fun to watch on YouTube I've known some people that have engineered them I've never gone myself but to be honestly I like watching them on YouTube but I don't think I would actually enjoy being there one there's the mysterious stick

but the other is like this is really like for the people at home and less about the people that are actually there. But I've seen some really cool ones that I'm like, damn, that one sounded like it was fun. Help me understand the difference between, like, a concert that's being streamed. It's just, like, a smaller profile. It's smaller profile, like, literally the camera's right in front of the DJ booth. And then here's what's funny is, like, they'll be mostly attractive people surrounding the DJ. And then you just watch them in this drunken, you know, dancing. It just looks cool. Like, if you had it going on in your TV and you got people over and you're just listening to music, it looks like there's a party in your living room.

Chase the status does it, right? he's they've done them yeah yeah but called boiler room because it's supposed to be like in a boiler room like it's right but that's also just the name of the organization okay oh there's a like there's a company that's a brand does these okay we have one in brooklyn called lot radio i'm more interested in that because it's still pretty you know specific to the new york area so all right mason i see you i've been a lot radio you should check that out

nice as well as your boiler room stuff love that next up Hi, from Costa Rica again. Please shout out my rescue pup, Josephina, who just passed away after 15 years with me. She watched every UFC with me, and I will always miss her. For the debate, what are the top three Frank sound bites? Thanks for that, Eduardo. We appreciate it. Rest and peace to Josephina.

I'm sorry. 15 years, man. That's a long time. That's a nice life for a dog. Top three Frank sound bites. Who the fuck is we? federal fucking prison James Tihuna

and then probably Who the fuck is we? That's got to be up there Maybe Darren Till Keep my name out your fucking mouth That's a great one What about what about Frank Warren? Oh yeah

That one I haven't done it in a while He'd my fucking name at your mouth No Blime fuck about Carl Frocker What he's got to say Is anybody really interested. Too long for me.

It's got to be quick bangers. One of my favorites, just because of how jarring it is, is D1 Glazer. Just D1 Glazer. The way it's so fucking hard. Chastaficious is great. Chastavisius. Let me get the till one more time. Keep my fucking name out of your mouth.

That's long. That is not long, bro. What's the one that we just added? Do you have your fucking name after? Yesterday? Use the check. What is the genesis of this? is the beginning? It's Bob Aram

just like Ariel's talking to him about something and he's just basically like who's going to check like who's trying to this? Yeah, we could probably get nine sound bites for that interview. It's like yeah, half of them we couldn't air. We can get nine sound bites for getting cancelled. We don't care. That's another

amazing one. That that literally happened during an interview and like he's just sitting in his house and it's just so clean like we don't care. Till is a pound for pound like sound by dropper Everyone stop chatting shit

That one Everyone stops chatting shit sounds like he's like addressing a crowd With an actuality It's the middle of a sentence A middle of an answer about some The We Don't Care feels like We got a 360P

version of him at a press conference That's what it sounds like But it's just him on a Zoom call We don't care I still love the Keep my fucking name out your mouth keep my fucking name out your mouth the noises

the noises that the scouse makes so good dude it's so good Frankie Frankie has a good soundboard and he's fantastic with it next up is from Jose Darren Till versus Jake is the fight oh shit

that's not bad I don't know if that's getting on I don't know if that's getting on Netflix but that would be I would tune the fuck in for that and their point is that they were saying that Till is a good promoter which we were just talking about

how great he's really fucking hilarious Till, yeah, would Netflix go with Darynton? It feels like that would be a misfits type. Yeah, or just like a smaller Jake. A smaller MVP. Yeah, if they did Mike Perry, they could absolutely do Darren Till. No, that's a good point.

That's a good point. Next up, New York, Rick is a G, hard worker, and always comes in. I will say. I always don't. Apparently that Rick doesn't spell his name of the K, but they're trying. I will say, you know, if Connor sends a test, text early in the morning like oh man i can't make it in hey don't worry about it brother we got you and he's like i'm stuck and wherever it's like don't worry about it we'll get you if rick were to call

i would be sweating a little bit i'm like you'd be in trouble i'd be like you know what i think i got that walking pneumonia you're going to have to get a sub because i don't want to be there in that control room when rick's not there yeah we'd be we'd be in trouble uh it'll be the same i've only sent that text one time that was last week it's the only time who's counting who's Four years. How many times is Frank said that time? Who's the check? And then Frankie shows up late.

And where I'm like, oh, I didn't think you're going to come. He's like, why? One day I won't. No, no, no. No, no. Nick? We don't want that. So, uh, this was...

Just laugh enough for him to hear you, it comes in. I love Nick. Here's a two for here from Benjamin Turk. What's up, Benjamin? If you could have your brothers fight, who would they fight that? Huh? It could be... A sister also for the whole crew.

Then they write back, like to fight. Frank, don't mess up, my bad. No, no, no, motherfucker. You don't get to mess up, and they don't mean not to mess up. Listen, for $1.99, he gets to correct the record. If you could have your brothers fight, who would they? Oh, so like you're saying, like, what brothers fighting what brothers? The Diaz brothers versus the Pettus brothers would be kind of good.

Is that what he's asking? I read it as your own siblings. How do they know if we have brothers? Yeah, I don't have brothers. Well, then I guess they can't fight. I'm not sure what he's saying. No, maybe Connor's right. That makes sense.

We'll try that again next week, Benjamin. The Tafa brothers versus... Super chat it one more time. Tafah brothers versus the Tahuna brothers would go hard. The Tijuana brothers? Is it Tyson Pedro, though, or is it James Thuhna and his brother? Is it Ty and Tyson? No, no, no.

It's James and Tama. Tahuna. James Tihuno? Super producer, Dan, is reading my mind here. There's another two for... Okay. This one's from F. Phil Timberman says, do cities pay the UFC every time, need Tallahassee card?

And then they wrote back, if we got Des Moines, we need Talley. Okay, man, we need Talley. Tallahassee, obviously, the home of Florida State University, and also the capital of Florida. A few people know that. I doubt you're getting a Tallahassee card. Where are they going to do it at the college basketball arena? The answer to the first part, answer is the second part, which is, yes, the UFC gets paid every time now. Yeah.

They get exorbitant site fees to go to these locations. Every, just Google Mark Shapiro, UFC, and you will see infinite quotes about him talking about increasing revenue and like flagrantly disregarding what the fans actually want and only talking about maximizing profits and revenue. They're not going anywhere that's not paying at this point in time. Like they can, it doesn't, if you don't, if you're a city that doesn't pay, and as GC said, right. Tallahassee may not have an arena the size that could support the UFC. If you don't pay, they're losing money by traveling, paying for all those flights for staff and fighters and all those things, hotels, when they can just do it at the apex. So they need to recoup those fees in order to go on the road. Otherwise, they're just like, though it at the warehouse in the desert, one more time. So yeah, unfortunately, unless the city is going to pay, they're not. going to get it.

To get to the bottom of this, Donald L. Tucker Civic Center is where FSU plays basketball. It holds 12,500. Yeah, it's not going to do it. Doubt that's going to work. You could do Doke Campbell Stadium. Can't imagine that their stadium show is going to be in Tallahassee. The first stadium show that UFC does is Tallahassee. It does hold $68,000.

So you're probably not going to get a Tallahassee event anytime soon, but I did Google Tallahassee UFC. You'll be able to watch it at the 7th Hill Tap Room and the corner pocket. or other sports bars like Miller's Alehouse or Applebee's Grilling Bar. Shout out to Miller's Alehouse. Honestly. Yeah, enjoy it, man. Hammer Parsis says, when is the cutoff for voicemails? Because mine never gets played.

I do them pretty late. Love you. Thanks for the show. Best show in the biz. What is the OBJ? I think they were using emojis or just something. Odell Beckham Jr. W. O'Dell Beckham Jr. Hen. I can answer this one, Hammer-Parsa.

It's usually around 10 a.m. Eastern. So get them in before then if you want to have up your chances. There's no promises here. You could just send some money via PayPal. I'll make sure it goes right to the top. Frank, we don't do that. That's fucking illegal. We don't do that here.

Yes. So we'll use some other service. Time is not always the issue. Let's lay out some guys. guidelines here so that people understand what's happening. If your call is two and a half minutes and the first minute of it is setting it up, it ain't going to, it ain't going to air. If your call is 40 seconds, but it's just you giving a take, yeah, probably not.

Be brief, be entertaining. That's all we ask. Interact, right? Ask a question. Do something funny. Tell us a heartwarming story But it can't just be three minutes of you Giving your brilliant take

Now I'm not saying this is what you're doing But if you've called a few times And you haven't gotten through Assess what's going on here And figure out why you're not I did just want to briefly jump back To the Tallahassee guy I've gotten even further to the bottom of this

You're not going to get UFC But Combat Night Is Florida's leading MMA promotion And they just did Combat Night Tallahassee back in August, and it looks like they'll probably be coming back to Old Talley. Clay Jackson defeated Kevin Hine by second round knockout in the main event. Doing Jacksonville this weekend, if you want to drive over. Abuzalam versus McDougal and a Welterweight bout. If you miss that, they'll be doing Fort Pierce next weekend. I think you're now, by default, like top five in terms

of Tallahassee MMA knowledge at this point. Yeah, I can't lie that. Just by a few munits on Google. The Combat Night Jacksonville posters, not bad. Zombie theme, though, a little late on the Halloween, but... That's for a coming show? Yeah, for this weekend. Yeah, that was late. At the Prime Osborne. 27 bouts on the card.

If you're hungry for MMA in the Northwest Florida region, Combat Nights your guy. Okay, by the way, though, actually, like, non-joking, local MMA is pretty good. Like, if they're evenly matched and it's not just like shitty like squash matches, yeah, go to that. It might actually be a lot of fun. So, yeah, I wouldn't hold your breath for a UFC. You might have to travel to Miami or another Florida event, but go to that local show. G.C. just did the work for you. Go to, go to combat night.

And lastly, Sammy says, about the overhated caller before, I think they mean about the fighter. Do you think Hamza received extra negative energy? after his win pre-imposed DDP fight? I feel like he just meant overhated referencing the caller as well. I think we're all on the same page on that one. Yeah, Hamzak gets a lot of hate, man.

He gets a lot of flack. I think it's just because of the style in which he won. Yeah, I do think the as we, like, the reason we disqualified the Tom one because it was that specific performance. I do think that performance

was unfairly kind of graded. Man, that performance also think about that one and you're just like, Could Hamzad have finished, though? But... Yes, I do feel like that one was unfairly graded. But I don't feel like Hamzad is unfairly treated.

Like, the reason I think Balal is number one is because people just disrespect Balaw. Like, people just have no regard for how skilled he actually is. Everything's a fluke. He's a bum. We hate him. We don't want to hear from him. When in reality, he's a very, very, very good fighter

who does not get the credit he deserves. I don't feel like that's the case for Hamas. I think a lot of people are aware of how good Humzad is and give him that courtesy and that respect. But yeah, that performance definitely got some undue hate. That's everything, Frank? That's everything. But I did want to point out that the PFLMMA YouTube channel has apparently been in our chat, seeing if there's any gray hairs on Rick.

Gray hair? Gray hairs, yeah. The PFL MMA YouTube channel. YouTube channel. official official officially official is in our chat can we get tighter Andy saying am I seeing

gray hairs on EJ did the buzz cut from Palo Costa create gray hairs on the regrow for Eric Jackson Jackson who me

sorry Mr. Jackson Is that as tight as we can get? I think she fell asleep on the zoomer, and it just zoomed all right in. Let it be known as it was regrowing. Yeah. Noticed a few grades. What I've noticed is last August. Did we start dying?

And then ever since you've been working as EP, it has gotten grayer and crair. Wow, PFL jumps back in the chat and says that's actually just Dandruff. PFL is frying up our boy Rick. What the fuck? From John Martin. CEO John Martin sitting in this exact same chair just a couple days ago

to now the YouTube channel Frying. Who are you? Who are you? Explain yourself and expose yourself. I need to know. Hey.

Hey. No voicemail from Don Davis this week. I mean, Don Davis trolling on YouTube on PFL's YouTube. Is that you, Donnie? You get one tattoo of yourself

on somebody's leg and you get full of yourself? Now Don chimes in. Blame the white balance. The rate, Don chimed in or the PFL account? The BFL account. Okay, okay, okay.

The BFL account. Wow, I didn't think we'd end the show on my gray hairs, but yeah, you know what? I'm cool with it. I honestly, like... I'm chatting shit to the BFO in the chat. I think the salt and pepper would go good. There is one super chat that we almost skipped, and my apologies to Big Claws. We don't have an image for this.

It just says the only warning on foul should be the ref yelling during the action. Watch your hands. He's down, et cetera. Once a foul was committed, auto point taken. I think that's... I think a lot of... Yeah. I think a lot of people...

Like, that used to be more controversial. I think there are a lot of people who are there right now, which is any, excuse me, any foul penalty. And the warnings should be like, be careful. You don't want to get a, you know, you don't want to lose a point by doing that. I agree with that. And I think a lot of people are there right now. Zombie Slayers also chimes in.

He says, BITB, much love from the UK, much love to the UK. Shout out. Who wins? Kayla or Amanda? It's an unbelievable fight. It is. I'm going to go Kayla. I'll go Kayla.

And that's that. That's it for the boys in the back on this Thursday evening. We talked about it all gambling. John Jones, Jake Paul, what's next? UFC Apex 111 breakdown pound for pound. Best fight siblings. But our time has come to an end. PFL is still flaming Rick in the chat on the way out. They say they expect to call post show. Donnie D. Baby, watch the crack tomorrow. back on Monday for a massive UFC 322 fight week right here in New York City. There'll be guests in studio. There'll be wall-to-wall coverage. A very special video dropping as well on the channel. Finish it all off with the UFC 32 watch party right here. It's going to be a great week. The MMA hours on fire. I'm expecting the zoom out. I'm just kind of just rambling at this

point. That's it for us. We're out of here. See you next. week