The Ariel Helwani Show - UFC heavyweight division saved, Ronda Rousey goes off on Kayla Harrison, more | The Boys in the Back

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

The Boys in the Back kick off the show by reading your five-star podcast reviews (02:13), before jumping into the beef between Ronda Rousey and Kayla Harrison, prompted by Rousey going off on Harrison during yesterday's Netflix press conference (08:16). Next, they tackle news and notes from the combat world (41:12) and debate whether UFC's heavyweight division has new life (51:05). Then, they preview UFC Winnipeg (1:02:00) and PFL Belfast (1:20:48), make picks (1:22:13), and deliver their P4P burns (1:26:33). Finally, The Boys listen to your voicemails (2:06:11) and answer your Super Chats (2:40:06).

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We've got a great show playing for you today. Pound for Pound. Burns. In honor of Gilbert Burns. this weekend. So like MMA trash talk. Best Burns in MMA history. I think that one's going to be a ton of fun to get into. Bets, parley pals, you know it, your voicemails, your super chats. We'll do a Winnipeg preview. And we will also get into the news and notes around the world of MMA. But before we wanted to do that, we let you know on our last show when we were in Seattle from the muck. Shout out to

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Last night, our very own area, Hawaii, hosted a podcast for, hosted a press conference for Netflix, for the Ronda Rousey Gina Carrano card taking place next month. in Los Angeles, and there were some fiery interactions. There was a lot said at this thing. Specifically, Ronda Rousey toward the UFC champion, Kayla Harrison. We're not going to start there. We're going to go back to Kayla Harrison on Jorge Mosvidal's podcast that kind of started this whole thing.

Take a listen to what Kayla Harrison had to say about Ronda Rousey. Your old mentor's back, fighting, headlining a card and Netflix. Oh, my God. Do not get me started. Do not call her that. Don't get me fired. Sense. Oh, okay.

I don't think we should talk about this because I don't think I have anything nice to say. Well, I'm... Maybe you just sit there and me and Chris will talk about it. I'm lost. I don't know what's going on here. He doesn't know what going on because she's so fucking irrelevant.

So, Kayla Harrison, saying that Rhonda Rousey is irrelevant. You know, despite headlining what could potentially be the most viewed MMA card of not only the year, but potentially ever. Ariel Hawani asked Ronda Rousey about Kayla Harrison's comments and she had quite a bit to say sit back relax and take a listen to what Ronda Rousey had to say

and so I was wondering if you saw those comments and what you had to say about them How are you going to talk about someone being relevant when all you've done is talk about her your entire career? Me or? Okay okay gotcha I just want to make sure but I wanted to give you a chance to respond Call me irrelevant or Gina irrelevant? Both of us. I think she just dismissed me, but she called you irrelevant. And I was like, but you've been talking about Rhonda your entire career.

So, I mean, obviously that's not very irrelevant. Right. Well, I mean. Well, Gina is so relevant that she's the whole reason that the 145 pound division even exists. And I am so relevant that the only reason she has a job at the UFC is because of me. and Kayla is so irrelevant that she couldn't even keep the 145 pound division around. And honestly, she's just sour

because no matter what she does or what she accomplishes, she can't change the fact that she has the charisma of a wet towel and will always be in me and Gina's shadow. So the next time she wants to talk shit, she should look down on her feet and consider who paved the road that she's walking on.

Oh wait, she can't look down on her feet because she's too busy holding onto the belt and a neck brace. And then she goes on and says, that I lied about training in judo in Canada in 2006. Like, what the fuck are you to call me a liar, okay? I was training there for five months. Bitch, you weren't even there, okay? Over the last decade and a half of being a public figure,

I have cultivated a reputation for being unabashedly truthful. This bitch just got here and was already caught in a lie. What did she say after she won the belt? She said, oh, I'm never going to say anything bad about Ron. She took care of me when I was broke in Japan and bought me groceries. I want you shut the fuck up and eat your groceries. your groceries. And her and Hunter trying to act like her next sub-coming fight is the biggest women's fight

of all time. Then why is it being booked as a co-main for a men's interim title fight? Okay? The bitch isn't even bigger than Patty the Batty. No offense to Patty, I think he's got more potential than anybody in the UFC and he should call me when his contract runs out. But here's another contradiction that I think is a fucking kicker, is if she thinks that her fight is the biggest women's fight of all time,

why is she getting paid less now than I was 10 years ago? Mm-hmm. So rid of me this, bitch. Are you overvalued or are you underpaid? And what really pisses me off, with anything else, yeah, I'm not fucking done, is how small she thinks. This is not just the biggest women's fight of all time.

This is the biggest MMA fight of all time. It's gonna get the most views on the biggest platform, on a card with the biggest stars, and it was all assembled by, will be headlined by two women who dare to dream big. And this dream is going to bring more opportunities and greater revenue share to fighters than they've ever had before because this fight is bigger than just me and Gina.

And it's bigger than anybody on this stage. It represents an unstoppable force of change in this industry spearheaded by the fighters themselves. Bet your fucking ass is the biggest enemy fight of all time. Bart Nile. Okay. Okay. I mean, talk about like off the cuff. Ariel just being like, what do you think of her thoughts on you saying you're relevant? She's just like, all right, give me a second here. And she just went. That was like a three minute clip there. I mean, she had a lot to get off her chest. Let's unpack it. First things first, Hawaii hitting a me, me, me? Me? Or me? He did it at the who me again. You're right. He got hit with the who me. All right. First thing she says is that Kayla owes Gina for starting the 145 pound division. She owes Ron. for essentially getting her this spotlight into where she is.

She says to look at the road that paved, or look at the road that paved the way for you to be here, but you can't because you have a neck brace on and you're holding onto the belt. Let's go back even further. Okay. Let's go back to the original inciting incident. Let's go back to Kayla Harrison saying that Rhonda Razzie is irrelevant. Do we, is there a kernel of truth to it? Is there no truth to it?

Where do we stay? I'll say, let me start. I believe that Kayla Harrison, when saying that, first of all, it was an offhanded comment to Jorge on a podcast. She's like, and she didn't really seemingly want to go into it, but Jorge was like kind of joking with her. Ronda Rousey has been for the last several years irrelevant to the MMA space to a certain degree, right?

And not, irrelevant's not the right word. And I think that Kayla Harrison, even herself would admit that irrelevance not the right word. because as Ronda astutely pointed out, and Gina astutely pointed out, you mention her name and it automatically gets attention. Kayla Harrison has been somebody who has mentioned her name and it's automatically gotten attention. So it's not a relevance.

But she hasn't been a participant in the space for several years, right? She kind of turned her back on MMA to a certain degree and said like, you know, I'm not a part of that world anymore. Went over to wrestling, then turned her back on that world. So in Kayla Harrison's mind, I understand the thought process. I understand the logic of kind of saying like, you know, Rhonda, you haven't been here, I've been here for the last couple of years. Irrelevant is probably the wrong word, though. And relevant is absolutely the wrong word.

It's definitely. Relevant is someone that like, you bring them up and it's just like, who? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. And like, it gives no pop. If you had them on the show today, it would give no pop. He would just be like, we just don't care about this. We talk about this all the time and you talk about this. Yeah, that's the relevance.

But the casual test where it's like, oh, Rhonda Rousey, Connor McGregor, that's who everybody thinks is fighting every weekend. They have no idea, and it's the carryover from 2016 and beyond. So Ronda Rousey will never be irrelevant, right? She is always relevant, especially when it comes to a context of a combat conversation, an MMA conversation. But I do understand where Kayla's mind was at in terms of like, I'm here beating the best available fighters right now. You haven't been here in years. And I think that's what she was trying to convey, but ultimately did it poorly by saying Rhonda was irrelevant.

All right. Now let's go to what Rhonda kind of had to say. And Gina, right? Gina being like, yeah, she just dismissed me. She didn't even like actually like go in on me, but she called you irrelevant. Rhonda's absolutely correct that like without Gina Carrano, there's no Ronda Rousey. Without Ronda Rousey, there's probably no Kayla Harrison, right? Kayla Harrison and Ronda Rousey were competitors in judo at a similar time. But Ronda Rousey opened the door for many, many, many, many women to,

realize that you could be a high level UFC fighter, you could be a top level MMA fighter and support yourself doing it, make a lot of money doing it, not just somebody who does it recreationally, right? The men's divisions have been around for a long time and prospering and flourishing and we see where they are today. But there are still only three women's divisions in the UFC right now. There are still very few women's divisions that are across the sport. And so it's a much more shallow talent pool. It's a much more limited opportunity. Rhonda Rousey opened those doors in a significant way from it to be almost no ability to kind of like support yourself in that capacity and then the ability to do that. Now, it wouldn't be fair to not credit like pioneers like Chris Cyborg as well, right?

Chris Cyborg and Gina Carano who had done this for a long time. But Ronda Rousey blew the ceiling off it the same way Connor McGregor blew the ceiling off it. So Ronda is right to point out like there's Gina who everybody who's a woman fighting today owes a debt of gratitude to. And there's her who made it much more viable for women today to be competing at this level and make this type of money. And when she said 145 pound division for Gina, I'm assuming she was referring to her time in PFL. For Kayla to be it because Kayla's career primarily played out at 145. Certainly. Obviously she made the 135 debut when she made it to-100%.

Because that's no longer a division. Yeah. And I see a lot of people kind of rebuttling to Kayla being like, well, she got here after the 145 pound division was gone. but clearly she's referencing her career with BFL. You're saying people are criticizing Ronda for saying the one for, well, yeah, she's referencing the fact that Gina Carano, Chris Cyborg, others at that time are making 145 a thing. And so Kayla Harrison, who spent the majority of her PFL career, where I would assume she made the bulk of most of her money to this point still, right?

She hasn't had many UFC fights. She was making her win-in show. Actually, I don't know if she got win-in show, but she would make her fight check, her sponsorship deals, and then those million-dollar checks at the end of every tournament that she won in the PFL. So she got paid quite well to be a 145-pound champion for a long time. So yeah, completely valid from Ronda Rousey the criticisms that she's pointing out there. Yeah, a little below the belt.

And that's the good and the bad of Ronda Rousey, right? I am somebody who one might call me an apologist for Ronda Rousey. I've always come to her defense. I've always thought that she got an unfair shake from the MMA fan base. This is what I love about Ronda Rousey, though. And she kind of talks about it there. Like, she's not somebody who is known for, like, playing it safe, not saying what they mean, being protected and guarded and afraid of controversy.

Rhonda Rousey is going to say whatever the fuck she feels in that moment. And if it's going low on Kayla Harrison talking about the neck, that's what it's going to be. And that's what I love about her. She also said that Kayla Harrison said she, would never say anything bad about Ronda Rousey because she bought her groceries in Japan to help support her. And then she says, shut the fuck up and eat your groceries.

That was not a bad line. That was not a bad line at all. That was not a bad line at all. She continues to talk about how Kayla Harrison saying her versus Amanda Nunez is the biggest women's fight ever. If that's the case, then why is she co-maining under an interim title fight. Originally in the January number of that.

Or UFC 324 who was under Patty Pimlet versus Justin Gagee. The exact line was. Bitch isn't even bigger than Patty the Batty. And then she takes the time to also be like, though Patty Baddy has a ton of potential and when his contract is out, he should call me so he can come work for me instead. It's like promoter and fighter

and Ronda coming out. Not a bad line there as well. And then I think this was probably the most powerful line from it. She says, what's crazy is she's being paid less now than I was 10 years ago. So are you overvalued or are you underpaid? Yeah.

And the theme of this whole Netflix experience so far has been come get your worth, right? We hear it out of Francis, we hear it out of Rhonda, we hear it out of Gina, we hear it even out of Nate, right? Like Nate talking about,

you know, this opportunity. And so that's kind of been the theme of it. I don't know the accuracy of the numbers there, right? And again, as I said, I think Kayla, to this point, has probably made the bulk of her money on the PFL side, as opposed to the UFC side.

She's been with the UFC not long enough to kind of like have reap those rewards. The Amanda Nunes fight will be very lucrative, I'm sure. Won three million dollars checks? Yeah. One three different times. As I said, she also got paid her purse to fight. It's not like it's just the million dollar check.

And sponsorships and endorsements and all those other things. But I don't know the validity of the number, but the sentiment is right, right? Which is, you're talking about I'm irrelevant. Ten years ago, I was headlining and making more money than most people could ever dream of if I'm irrelevant, then what does that make somebody in the position where you are now and you're not making nearly what I made, right? Like she's she's being vicious, she's being mean, but there's a kernel of truth to kind of like all the things that she's saying, right? If you're such a super, if I'm irrelevant and you're a superstar, why are you getting paid commensurate

with somebody who's not, right? And why was I getting paid like a star? She, it's hard to poke holes in anything she said, right? It's, there's obviously some parts where she goes below the belt. The neck thing, I think, is a little bit, like, off limits, but that's the Ronda Rousey experience. But she's also been somebody who, over the course of her career, if you, if you come for her neck, she's going to come back 10 times harder. That's kind of the nature of, of who she is. She is not somebody who's just going to lay down and accept the pleasantries. She will grit her teeth for a second, but then when she thinks about how she's going to respond, it's typically going nuclear like this. The only thing I can think about with all this,

first of all, transparently, I love Ronda Rousey and I love Kayla Harrison. I like them both. Like, I just think that they're so good for this sport. They are such high-level athletes. Ronda is so incredible as this just kind of like unfiltered, unhinged type of person. It's what she was 10 years ago. It's what she is now. And Kayla is so good as this like relentless competitor, right?

I've won gold medals. I am unstoppable. I'm a force that just can't be fucked with. I love that about Kayla. I love them both as fighters and his personalities. So I don't really have a dog in the race. I don't really like have a side to pick in it. But the only thing I could think about the entire time in a just, you know, we dissected the points was fuck, man.

There is not, there are not people like Ronda Rousey anymore. They just do not exist. And it's so obvious when you see her sitting there that there are, we just don't have this, right? We'll get the odd Josh Hokit cringe press conference. We'll get Sean Strickland going off on a rant about one thing. or another, but we really do not have people like Ronda Rousey in the modern day sport, and it's just good to have her back. That's the only thing I thought about. Well, we're going to get into it later with our pound for pound burns. Yeah. There's a couple people that

were missing in the, in the sport in terms of trash talk and mic work. It really is incredible. She ends it with how small Kayla Harrison thinks she's trying to change this industry. This is the, she's going for the biggest fight ever, not just the biggest women's MMA fight or women's fight in UFC history. And she talks a lot about how she wants to change these. industry, obviously, and that rain as well, trying to coax Patty Pimbley away from the U.S. and everything like that. We'll get into some other things she says. But let's get to Kayla Harrison, who took to Twitter after seeing this last night and also

this morning, she says, fight me, Dan. It's a good reply. Like, when you're, she, Kayla can hop on the podcast and Rhonda can hop on the mic. But at the end of the day, if Kayla's like, all right, then show me, let's do it. That's kind of a mic drop. That's kind of the end of the conversation, unless the next thing is Rhonda being like, okay. Yeah, yeah. It feels like it would be better in person being like, all right, so just fight me. Yeah. You can talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk for three minutes, but just fight me. I don't really need to hear any of this. She said this morning on Twitter, you know, just a couple hours before we went on the air. She says, good morning. Amanda Leo, obviously tagging Amanda Nunez. I can't wait for us to have the greatest fight of all time and take women's MMA to a whole new level. The best versus the goat. So obviously kind of just like poking fun at Gina and Rhonda.

yeah I don't know I don't know also careful wording there right the greatest not not the biggest right like Rhonda and Gina have been saying that this is going

to be the biggest the most important and Kayla going for greatest I can't lie the only thing this makes me want is a fight between Ronda Rousey

and Ronda Rousey is setting herself up in many ways here with the trying to build a promotion trying to get in the in the MMA world as sort of a leader of the

industry and creating fights herself and then also as a fighter, I mean, there's, there's, if she wins this fight on May 16th, there's going to be plenty of options for her afterward. She looks in fucking incredible shape. She's a massive favorite, too. Yeah, she's a massive favorite, as you would be, right? Gina has just been out of the game for such a long time. Her, you know, Ronda has had a personal journey, right? Multiple children, like the WWE thing.

It's not like Rhonda's just been on the sidelines and just, removed from it, but Gina has also had just such a tremendous thing. She sat here with Ariel yesterday and talked about so many of the difficulties she overcame and all the weight she had to lose and her health, her mental and physical health and the things she had to overcome. It's no surprise that Rhonda would be a huge favorite. Even if it was happening in 2016, Rhonda would be a huge favorite. If it's happening now, Rhonda would be a huge favorite. No surprise to me there. But when you, back in the day, you could tell when Rhonda was training for the fight and not, she looks like she's fight ready right now.

Like you can see it in her face. She is already slim down. She is going to be an absolute killer when she steps into the cage. To the point that she might not be a big enough favorite. I think with the amount of time she's been away, she's definitely going to come back, highly motivated and highly prepared for this fight. Kayla, not the only one that's taking into Twitter. Ali Abdaliziz, when one of his fighters is mentioned,

you know he's going to hop on the old X and start tweeting. Kayla Harrison is a two-time Olympic gold medalist judo world champion. two-time PFL champion and now a UFC champion. Ronda Rousey is an Olympic bronze medalist and former UFC champion coming off two knockout losses. In my opinion, the resumes are not comparable. Good luck to everyone at KLAH at UFC. Like our mics are down. Okay.

Frank, you all right, man? What's up, man? Let's just keep going. Can we put that tweet back up? Like everything that we've been talking about with this topic, there's a kernel of truth here, right? Which is, I don't know. There's a kernel of truth here, which is

Kayla Harrison. Fuck, I'm trying to keep the train on the track. I'm sorry, we had to address it. He got into our ears and was like, your mic's down. Yeah. I had a conversation. Kayla Harrison, if you're looking at the scope of combat sports, Kayla Harrison is accomplished an insane amount, right?

And there's few people that could kind of boast the things that she's able to boast, right? You're talking Kayla Harrison, Clarissa Shields, Henry Sohudo, like, that's the level. That's, when you're talking Olympic gold, when you're talking, these are the people that shined at the brightest moment for their country. These are like the few names that you can really kind of like point to. And it's perfectly right to be like, look, if we're stacking up to accolades, I like, Ali Abdelaziz, obviously biased, has Kayla Harrison under his manager. team and says, I like the horse I've got in this race.

If you're measuring, though, like the impact, if you're measuring... Impact, innovation, reach, notoriety, that is Ronda Rousey. If you're only counting sporting accomplishments, it's Kayla Harrison. Yeah. And it just, it depends on what the forum is, what the debate is, what the nature of the conversation is. They're very different. Even though they come from a same world, even though they've crossed paths, you know, on the

judo scene, even though they were teammates. their paths were so different. Their opportunities were so different. I think of them as very distinct. I don't really see similarities. Kayla always got compared to Rhonda because she was the judo player and because Rhonda was the

crem de la creme. She was the pinnacle of what women's combat could be. Kayla was somebody who had high potential, but they're very, very different. Even a mentality, even in attitude, Kayla is very, like, respectful. Like, Kayla can talk some shit, but it's not often, like, unprovoked.

It's not often just like off the cuff. I want to see that fight really bad. I want to see that fucking fight, man. I don't think we can. With the way that Ronda Rousey has treated this, has treated the UFC during this press tour, I can't imagine she's going to work with them. Let's be accurate, though.

It's not really the UFC she's treated. It's Hunter Campbell. She is going fucking in on Hunter Campbell. Like that is the... What does you show in Good Morning America? Like, yeah, Hunter Campbell's a fucking idiot. Like George Steppeloplinopoulos or whatever. whatever's name is, just like,

who the fuck is Hunter? Who's Joe? Did she say Cunterhandle? Shout out to Cunterhamble. You're 100% right. The first, somebody sent me that clip and we were talking about

like the fact that they have no fucking idea what she's talking about with Hunter Campbell. Like this is not for that audience. Oh, it's deep level of stuff. Yeah, that's, that's MMA hardcore's. But would you put it past the youth?

Look, Rhonda Rousey, I don't believe she's irrelevant. I believe this fight's going to do very well. I wouldn't put it past the UFC to let bygones be bygones and bring her back and we know her close relationship with Dana White. No, no, no. I'm more saying I don't think

Rondo would come back. With the way that she's talking about if they treat their employees like shit, shit, blah, blah, blah. I'm trying to change the game for all fighters. I wonder if it's fair. I would point to like... I don't know if I want to go here.

You have seen this money-saving era. Does it feel like they're going to come correct more correctly than they did for the Netflix card? That's fair. Would they spend for Ronda Rousey is the question that she asked them and they answered no. If that changed, then I do think Ronda would be willing to come back. Look, Francis Ngano, when he left the UFC, his platform was, I need to be shown respect. I want fighters to have these opportunities and these things and these things.

I don't think ultimately any of those things got put into play at PFL or UFC, right? I don't think that Francis's mission that he had kind of laid out ultimately came to fruition. He started the PFL Africa thing. That was great. I hope that they continue that. I hope that PFL Africa continues to be a platform for fighters. But I don't, he had also the minimum contract that his opponents were going to get when he was fighting for PFL. I don't ultimately know that there was some like wide sweeping change.

Ronda Rousey is talking about things. that are very difficult to enact, right? She, she, we'll talk a little bit later about the fight purses and what she structured and was, you know, part of kind of crafting for some of these fighters. But to change an industry in that way, to make it so that the lesser are getting more and all those things is very difficult and even more difficult when there's not a union and collective bargaining and all those things where people can kind of come together on it. So at the end of the day, is Rhonda Rousey going to die on that hill if the UFC goes,

we got a lot of money for you? we changed our mind. You changed our mind once again. Ronda Rousey is famous. The famous story of Ronda Rousey is Dana White saying, I don't want women in the UFC. You will never,

ever see women in the UFC. And then Dana White changed his mind. I wouldn't be surprised if they changed their mind again and say, you did it. Netflix was fantastic. You're back. You looked better than ever.

There's fights for you. Kayla Harrison's been sharp in that. She doesn't really want to make any more cuts, but she could probably do one more fight. We want to do it for you. If they came, on the money, I could see Ronda Rousa doing it, no matter what she said to this point. Another argument I would make on the changing of the mind and everything, that was Dana White of like 15

years ago. Yeah. He's a different guy now. Well, her relationship with Dana is still good as far as I know. She continues to. It's still good, but like in terms of like innovation and trying to get the best fights, Dana White is not there anymore for the UFC is not there either, right? The UFC isn't in that business. But if here's what I'll say, if we see Connor McGregor this July, which everything seems to be pointing to you to it, and I believe, Maybe they will start to be back in that business sometimes. And that's all I could hope for. If Connor McGregor gets his payday, that tells me that Ronda Rousey could also get her payday.

Fucking, maybe they see, like, you get a Hamza card, a White House card, a Connor McGregor card, an Islam card. And you kind of get that juice back. And it's like, damn, we were really missing something, eh? When Kayla Harrison fights Amanda Nunes, if she wins, you're kind of out of women's fights at 135. Like, that is it. Like, because Amanda probably ain't sticking around.

Kayla is probably not sticking around unless something like really changes. No, I don't think that that's the one. And so if you want another fight, a big fight out of a 135 or a 45er, that's the one to make. So I don't think that it's set in stone. I don't think anything that she said is irreversible. I think we've seen the UFC bring back people that they have said some of these things at. fuck, Sean Strickland is talking about UFC pay in the UFC.

I don't think that would be impossible. We will see. We talked about Rhonda talking about fighter pay. She talked about how much the purses are going to be for this Netflix card. Take a listen to what she had to say. I think it's really important that we raise the ceiling but also that we raise the floor.

And one thing that I'm really proud of in this fight is the absolute minimum that anybody will walk away with even if they don't have a big, long, record and even if they lose is $40,000. And if you fight three times in a year, that is much more than a living wage, and that is something that the UFC cannot say. And I hope that everybody sitting here today is getting the biggest payday of their career. And, well, maybe not for you. Maybe you've done better before. But in MMA, hopefully, not against Connor McGregor. And I hope that after this event, we can keep. keep raising that ceiling higher and higher and higher until it is on par with the highest level

boxers because that is really where the holy grill I think for us is and this is just the beginning. All right, so $40,000, win or lose is going to be the minimum. Any fighter on this card is getting paid. And like, she's not talking about her and Gina and Francis and Nate Diaz. Like that's, she's probably not even talking about Saladin Parnas. No, definitely not. She's not talking about Adriano Mariah. She's talking about, like, who do we have here? Yeah, who's the opener? The opener is Chris Avila versus TBC. TBC is about to get 40K, no matter what.

Yeah, like Jade Masson Wong, who has five professional fights, is getting 40K. At the very least, it may be more. Albert Morales, who's 19 and 10. That's who she's talking about who's getting 40K. Chris Avila is 8 and 9 in MMA, and he's getting at least 40K to fight on this card. Yeah, and it's admirable, right, that they're taking this, Rhonda in particular is taking this position, but also MVP, Netflix, whoever, you know, ultimately is writing this check and responsible for paying that out, I will say, to be fair, to be fair to the UFC in this regard, or PFL or whoever, right? Because everybody's involved here.

This is a one-time fight card that's on Netflix. Yeah. It's a lot different when you're putting on fights every week, right? Like, Danaway Contender Series, I think, is kind of abysmal in terms of the pay. when it's the five and five bullshit or 10 and 10 whatever it ultimately has landed at. That's pretty pathetic. That's pretty bad. But the UFC does tend to take care of like the lower and mid-tier guys better than boxing, in my opinion.

I don't think that's even controversial to say. So while I do appreciate what Rhonda is saying and doing here and she's like, let's raise it higher and higher or higher, totally admirable, totally on board. I think it should be as high as humanly possible. It is different when it's, we're doing one car. right now and focus on that versus UFC has to churn it out every week. A thousand percent. That's where you can poke the holes. You took the words right out of my mouth. Also, she makes the reference of fight three times a year. That's 120K. That's a definitely a livable wage and everything like that. You don't know if these guys are going to be able to fight three

times a year. We don't even know if you're going to be able to put three fight cards on this year. And it's just like, yeah, yeah. We don't know if Netflix. You just don't know if you're going to be able to to be able to continue that to your point. We don't know that Netflix will have fight number two. We have no idea. Right now we're sitting here. We have one Netflix fight card where MVP is the promoter. And is TBC going to be on that card again?

Exactly. So is number two going to even happen is totally fair. So yeah, there's a great thing that Ronda Rousey is talking about. There's a great thing that they're all doing. But it is also, you can't contrast it with what the UFC is doing because of the size of the roster and how many shows they're doing. It's just a different model altogether. if the UFC minimum became 40K, that'd be fucking incredible.

And I think they have the means to do it. They do. They do have the means to do it. I think that's where we kind of like, where the struggle comes. It's just like, we know that they take care of these lower level fighters. There's the amount of fighters on this card that are either have losing UFC records or are just debuting off of Dana-White Contender Series, and they're going to make like 25K, 30K. You know, they take care of the lower-level fighters with little to no notoriety, much better than boxing does, but they could take care of them even more.

better. Yep. They could be supplying more to these lower level guys. But still, it is nice to see Ronda Rosalie's making that potion. We don't know where she's going to be able to take this in the future. She keeps hinting at wanting to get into this business. So we'll see what she's able to do in the change that she's able to create. Some fun that was had at the press conference.

Before we move on. Yeah, yeah. One last thing. Please. Ronda versus Kayla, right? It has to fucking happen. That is the fight. I just don't think it will.

I know, but it needs to in some way. I don't think it will for several reasons. We have no idea where Kayla Harrison, is at, I mean, where Ronda Rousey is at in terms of her fighting career. She is coming off of two knockout losses that was a decade ago. Kayla Harrison is at the pinnacle of her game. Like if Kayla Harrison beats Amanda Nunez, like she's as good as it gets. Competition-wise, like Kayla Harrison would be a massive favorite going into that fight. She would be. Also, I just don't know the means to an end on how we make it happen. Yeah. I mean, without Kayla

fighting out her UFC contract, it feels very hard to make happen. Because it would have to be Rhonda coming into the UFC. Exactly. Because Kayla Harrison is happy with where she's at in the UFC. And I don't think she's looking to make this cut to 135 that often. I guess they could do it outside the UFC at a 145 or something? No, you do it at 35. That's what evens the stakes. That's what evens the playing field, right? If you're Ronda Rousey, and by the way, this is not the first rodeo for Ronda Rousey with this type of thing. Chris Seiborg had been hounding the UFC and everybody else for a fight with Ronda Rousey. And Ronda Rousey's thing was, that's fine. I will fight you, but I am 135 pound fighter. If you can get to 135 pounds, I will fight you. Chris Iborg was not

able to get to 135 pounds. Very obviously so. Chris Iberg is a 144-pound fighter. That's clear as day. I've always thought Cyborg versus Kayla was a fight I wanted to see. They are much more comparable in size. If you, now we have seen Kayla Harrison make 135, she will probably make it one more time for her fight with Amanda Nunes. If I'm Ronda Rousey, I say, I will fight you, Kayla Harrison. You have to meet me at 135 pounds. I will not give up the weight. And that would even the playing field, in my opinion.

I just think there's this argument to make that Ronda is in a very winnable fight here against Sincoron. For sure. Against the woman that she has advantages over anyway that we haven't seen in 17 years. Yep. You can't make the same argument against Kayla Harrison. So you have to get that one advantage, and that is the weight. I can get the one thing. I can get the one thing, and I'll take it.

Yeah, we'll see. I want it. On my side of it's no. I want it so fucking bad. I also think the number would be great, and I think Kayla Harrison's theme rolls. Yeah, we'll see. I don't know if we will see. I don't think we will see.

We'll see if it ever happens. All right, we'll talk on some fun stuff that happened at the press conference. Rhonda, Nate, locker room? Things went down? The way you phrased that, I feel like we could do better than that. Take a listen. Do you think there's just a fundamental difference in some people think? It's just a fundamental difference in some who think.

What? What? That's why. Oh man, I hope that is the news for today. I'm going to be completely honest with you. I shared a green room with Nate and I forgot out how it is. Are you out there? So please take it easy on me. I had no idea.

It's only thoughts you have have gone now. Nate Diaz just smoking blunts and joints wherever he goes is just so fucking funny. Sharing a green room with Nate probably does have a lot of contact high. There is definitely a residual effect. The being high in front of people and then like going to take a sip of water. Oh fuck. Then he like had to look around? Did anyone catch that there?

Yeah, that's great. Some other fighters having fun together. Moving on from the Kayla Harrison from the Rhonda Rousey, Gina Carrano press conference yesterday. Ariel Hawani, our boy did a fantastic job. Randy Brown and Kevin Holland on Instagram, having a bit of a back and forth, but in a good way. Here's what they had to say. Randy Brown said, I thought we were going to be friends now.

Kevin Holland says, nah, we're buddies, but you blacked my already black eyes. Randy responds, I'm at Jamaica Carnival icing my leg. I can't even dance on no big butts. You deserve that black eye. Kevin Holland says, damn, and no invite. Who screenshotsed this and liked the rancers? Randy Brown can't dance on no big butts comment. Dan, was that you, bro?

I found this one on social. You can't blame Dan for this. Dan's a little freaky back there. Good to see, though. They seem like guys who would get along, like Randy and Kevin. Just the kind of easygoing dudes that don't take the fight game like that seriously. Well, to an extent, but more just like the idea, like, they're just chill. They're just here to like do the job.

and I like I hope they can be friends I like this like this budding friendship maybe Kevin gets the invite to Carnival next time two other friends in the fight game big stars

Armin Sarukyan and Hamza Tremayev heard of them Armin was recording some sort of promo or something for social and Hamzaa butted in during it This is my time

This is my time This is my time Smash everybody Kill everybody Everybody I come here for everybody Kill everybody That is trying to be tough

Also imagine being Armin Saruki and like Jacked incredibly skilled Incredible fighter And trying to be tough And then Hamzat's just like cackling Fucking cackling

Soft ass I like how Armid gave it back to him though The smash everybody Man that's That must be a scary room Right When it's Armin and Hamzot in the room?

Yeah, did you see, you know, DJ had obviously already done a training with Armin. He released one last week when I was in Ireland. I didn't see it until last night. I got a bookmark to watch it when I get home. He did a training with Hamzot as well. Yeah. I'm sure that went swimmingly. I mean, also, you add in, like, round trees in that room.

Yeah. Fighters that stop by that join in. It's a scary place. Shark tank. Shout to Santos Studio. Got some great fighters over there. Ryan Garcia was live streaming kit? Twitch? I don't know what he was on.

But he shared some details of his next fight. Take a listen. It's going to be in August. We'll go get it. No, that's not all right. That's true. We're going to have it in Vegas. He left his passport. For real?

Oh, bro. Front, bro. I got you. Who are you fighting against? His name's Connor Ben. He's from the UK. Yeah, yeah. We're going to eat that up. We're going to eat that up.

Yeah, Connor is about to get blasted, guys. I'm a bet on that. Yeah, please do, please do. Make yourself a little more extra. Connor Ben, August, Las Vegas, Ryan Garcia. That'd be a massive fight. What? Oh, I thought you were going to continue.

No, that was it. Yeah, it would be a massive fight. I don't think we're going to see Shakur v. Connor Ben. I think that would be an unwise move for Connor Ben. I think this is a more winnable fight. Is it even, though? The Conner-Ben performance has me wondering. Well, even if it's not a more-winterful fight, it's a bigger fight.

More eyes will be on this. Yeah. Than Chachore. Chor is not as big a name as Ryan, no doubt, but he's still a big name in the boxing world. He's the one that has the level of respect, right? He's the pound for pound list guy. But if you do the spectacle, look, I'll put it this way. I think Connor Ben needs to start cashing out, right?

Like, he has gotten a huge, he's gotten two huge fights done with Chris U. Eubank Jr. He's gotten a huge Zoufa boxing check to be on this Netflix card under Tyson Fury. Ryan Garcia feels like the inevitable next step of that. Continue to make as much money as you possibly can. I don't think world championship aspirations are kind of the future for Connor Ben. I just was not impressed by the performance against Regis Pro Gray. Ryan Garcia is one of the biggest names, if not the biggest name you can get. That's a reasonable, reasonably the same size that you can make a lot of money with. I'm all for it. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, That seems like the right path for Conor Ben.

Some other news. One championship has cut three senior figures from its leadership team, VP Rich Franklin, SVP of competition, Matt Hume, and C.O. John Scheller, according to Insider Reports, following a string of financial issues and event cancellations. Not a good sign for one championship, which kind of feels like it's on its last legs in terms of the MMA part of the organization. and now you have these reports coming out that they're suing Rod Tang for like 21 million USD. Yeah, it's just not a good spot when just a few years ago they were signing with Prime and they had DJ and we were going to premiere viewing parties.

Me and Frank were here in the city. It felt like they were kind of gaining so momentum and now that all feels like it's gone. Yeah, they were trying to make their push into the U.S. market. They were doing all these things. Denver shows. I remember watching Thursday Night Football and Al Michaels for. or whoever it was, was just like, make sure to tune in a Saturday on Prime.

One championship from Denver, Colorado. When guys like Hume and Franklin, who are like the OG guys that they brought in are getting cut loose, not a good sign for the health of one championship. I don't, you know, maybe we'll hear from Chhatri on this. Maybe we'll hear, you know, some details, but you do have to be pessimistic about the future of one

with all the stuff that we're kind of hearing right now. One last thing on the Kayla Ronda pay, all that. Chris Cyborg is weighed in on Twitter, and she says that Ronda made $160,000 disclosed purse for her third fight in the UFC, 55K base, 55K bonus, and a 50K performance of the night. Kayla Harrison made more than that in her MMA debut. I don't believe that Ronda Rousey's reported her disclosed purse was the money that she made for her fights. I don't believe that for one second. Yeah, I don't have a clue.

Um, that is the era of the locker room bonuses, the extra money on the side, paper views. Check in the mailbox. Yeah, this, this is not probably what Rhonda Rousey took home for a first fight. Maybe it was, maybe, but it's, it's definitely not what she was taking home in, in later fights. Uh, Chris Seibork feels like the odd woman out of this because she, for me, she's one of the pillars of this, right? It's like, there's Rhonda. There's, there's Amanda. there's cyborg.

I think of those as the three. I think Kayla can enter that conversation with a win over Amanda Nunes because that would kind of be the springboard into it. Then there's like under that's like the Holly Holmes, the Misha Tates, that level. Cyborg is just like, I need her to be in this conversation in some capacity.

I'd love to see Rhonda versus Cyborg all these years later. I don't know that it happens. I don't know that Rhonda's like too keen on that. She had some very, very harsh things to say about Chris Cyborg at the last press conference when she was talking about her fight with Gina Carano about accusations of steroids and things like that. But Cyborg feels like somebody who could be in this. Like, I don't know what Cyborg's PFL contract status is. I don't know, you know, what they're planning to do with her or what she's planning for her career. But, man, Cyborg versus Kayla, Cyborg versus Rhonda, our fights I would love to see.

but it just feels like we can't quite get the fights that we actually want in this in this weight like range. Yeah. They're all kind of separate. I don't get them. I don't know what if Ronorowsy fights again, I don't, after this fight, I have no idea who it would be against. I don't think it would be Cyborg. I think she's pretty strong on her stance in terms of how she feels about Chris Seiborg. But man, I'd love to see it.

I'd love to see Kayla versus Cyborg. I don't know. We have the women now that I would love. love to see Amanda, and I would love to see a rematch between Amanda and Cyborg, it just doesn't feel like we should start with Kayla and Amanda and then we'll go from there. Yeah, but we won't. We'll start with Kayla and Amanda, and we will end with Kayla and Amanda, and it'll, like, we won't get any of these fights, which is unfortunate. And then the rain and Dumomp against. The next great pillar. Norma. The next great pillar. All right, so over the course of the last week in the UFC,

Yes. We have seen several hopeful signs for the heavyweight division. Obviously, Josh Oket, his performance on Saturday night against Curtis Blades, one of the greatest heavyweight fights we've ever seen. You know, the mic work is what it is, but he's creating a character. He is creating a personality at heavyweight that is interesting that we want to see. He's now fighting on the White House card. Gable Stephson announced on Saturday night that he's going to be signing with the UFC,

which is massive news. An Olympic gold medalist, a big name, a very skilled fight. that could be this jolt that heavyweight needs. And then this week, Alex Pereira, videos start coming out. The man's going to be making his debut in just two short months. And boy, does he look ready? I think this is a White House promo or a UFC 6 promo. I don't know what it is, but it's essentially like a third belt promo.

The dude looks like he's been eating good and been hitting the weights. Thicker than a snicker, right? This man ain't never even thinking about one. 185 again. No, definitely not. I mean, he is absolutely massive. He's a huge dude period when you meet him in person, but like when you see him this big, it's, it's a horrifying thing to think about. We also have him hopping on the scale. What do we got? We're getting in the range of like, we might have to hit a little baby weight cut to make it to the heavyweight limit. What is that? 140. I think 140 kilos, which is 251 pounds. My God. My God. My

got, yeah, we might have to hit a little weight cut, you're right? A little baby weight cut to get down to the, what if Alex Perra weighs in by the time it comes around? $265? $265. Jeez. Cyril Gons, is he going to be bigger than Cyril Gond? That would be fucking crazy.

What is Cyril Gons last week? If he can keep the speed, the power that those hands could hold come June 14th is frightening. Also, shout out to Alex Piero. We haven't been able to say this because we did the show already. We drove into Seattle and we were in our rental car and we were just driving through downtown Seattle and Casey was like, oh, is that Alex Pereira? It was just Alex Pereira just on a street corner putting on chapstick. He was obviously there for his teammate Usory, but hilarious just to see.

Okay, these are the last three weights for Cyril Gott. You're ready? Yep. For Tom Aspinall, 247.5. Holy fuck. For Volkov, 245.5. For Sergei Spivak, 250 on the dot. For John Jones, 247.5.

There's it for Tai Tui Vasa 247 for Francis and Ghanu 247 He's never weighed 250 There's a one time One time There's a chance That Alex Perr is going to weigh more

Than Cyril Gano fight night Yo that's crazy And I wonder how much Alex Pereer is enjoying this Like not needing to cut Not needing to It's definitely enjoying it I do wonder though

If this is more of like I'm bulking, bulking, bulking And then he might like slim it down A little bit We're gonna see some ads By Fight Week maybe But Yeah, heavyweight Alex Pereira.

Okay, you teed it up. We're hearing like Hokit's performance, the signing of Gable Stevenson, these images of Alex getting this big. Two months ago, maybe even less, we were like, heavyweight's done. You also say all this. Tom Aspinall's getting back in the gym,

he's starting to hit pads. I need a time frame. I need a time frame from time. Yeah, but it could be coming soon, man. A couple weeks ago, it was just like I can't see anything. I can't even drive. Now he's hitting pads. Fair.

Fair. So Tom Aspinall potentially returning. John Jones even seeming like he wants a fight now again. Remember John saying recently? Oh yeah, he says the retirement retirement? Yep. Okay, so we buried the heavyweight division two months or less ago. We had a thumbnail that said heavyweight's over. Heavyweight's dead. Help us. Like, it can't be saved. Has it already been saved? I don't think it's been saved just yet, but I think we're heading in the right direction. And you want to know? I think in two months we'll know whether it's saved. saved or not. You got Volkov versus Waldo Cortez-Az-A-Costa. Yep.

Waldo Cortez wins that fight. Probably title challenger. He's now demanding for a title shot. He will have gone on an insane run. The only loss being to Sergei Pavlovich. Yep. Josh Hokit, at the White House. If he beats Derek Lewis?

If he beats Derek Lewis, you now have a new title contender, a man who is banging on that door to get a title. Who puts on exciting fights? Yep. Alex Pereira. I don't care what you say. If you're the UFC, you want Alex Brerer to win that. You sure do. You want him to get that third bell. You want that massive superstar at heavyweight, that knockout power. Because I imagine if he's beaten Cyril Gond, it's probably not outpointing him over the course of 25 minutes.

I think it's probably going to be him with that left hook, Ether. You don't think he's going to wrestle Cyrilgan and choke him out. With the size, you never know. Maybe you get D1, D1 Poeton. Glover trains him. If all three of those things go well, and then Gable Stephson makes his debut in emphatic fashion, and all the while, all the while, Tom Aspinall is slowly and surely on the road to recovery

and we start getting murmurs of like, all right, Aspinall is going to be back in September, October. Heavy way might be safe? We could be back at 265. Is it deep? No, but like it's better than it's been in a while. You don't need deep necessarily as long as the mix of like

the Hokit, Perrera, Steven, Aspinall Gahn-Gone-Jones-level guys are all together. And then you slide Waldo-Cortez in there just, you know, he's kind of earned that opportunity. Fast forward to Fulcoff Dub,

Derek Lewis Dub, Cyril gone, boring, 48-47 split decision. Gable loses his UFC debut, so John admits that he's retired and now we have no timetable for Tom. No, if Gable loses, I think John's back. I think John's like,

no, fuck this. I'm taking the shit back. Abel loses to Sergei Spivak in his debut, and John Jones says, I'm coming for revenge. Sergei Spivak! I got to come back and fight somebody! Oh, fuck. I don't think we can say that it's saved, but it...

We've got seeds. For the first time in a while with heavyweight, I'm hopeful. I'm excited. That's the great way to play it. I'm invigorated again about heavyweight. I was down in the fucking dumps. It was trash. It is trash. In fact, when we were on the watch party, at the start of Hokit and

Blades, I was like, yo, this division is fucking cooked because of how sloppy that shit was. I was like, these guys stink. Yo, and also, it takes two to tango? Curtis Blaze put on a fucking fight there, man. Curtis Blades did not want to lose that fight and put on a hell of a fight.

I was so down on heavyweight. Then my boy Gable got signed. Hokie put on that performance. John Jones whispering about a comeback. I see beefy boy Alex Pereira. Bouchetcha's been killing it in the gym. Shout out to Buccecha. Buchessa is going to get a dove soon at some point, hopefully in the U.S.C.

Tyrol Fortune is here. Heavyweight is not deep. It's not back, but the seeds are planted. The vibes are immaculate. We are riding high. I've got to say, Josh Hogan is most responsible for it, no doubt. Look at these tweets he's putting out, man. Like, it finally feels like we got someone like talking some shit.

walking the talk or whatever Dana said. Like he's playing this. We're going in a different direction. We're not interested in Tom Aspen anymore. He's a UFC decision maker now, Josh Hokka is. Him being Hunter Campbell, him and Dan White. And now here's one concern is that Josh Hokey, you've been alluding to it. He's actually a light heavyweight.

He's tweeting at Paulo Costa saying, you got paid a million. You got effed by Izzy, you motherfucker. I'm going to take everything from you one day, at Po Hashini. I do like the Hocke, Polo Costa rivalry that's brewing. Yeah, that could be a hell of a hell of a scrap, too. He also planted the seeds of like Carlos and Yuri, remember during fightweek when he's walking by?

He's going after all the 205ers. It feels like he's a 205er. I got to be honest. Yeah. And so we're putting him in the saving heavyweight category for now, but I do feel like his future is probably a 205. But you got that Derek Lewis fight, that'll vault you into, you know, title contention if you get that done.

He's already, what is he five? Yeah. After beating cards plates. Right now the rankings are Aspinall champ, Gon, Volkov, Pavlovich, Waldo Cortez-A-Costa, Josh Oket. Yeah. Josh Oket at 5.

Huldo-Cortez could be two a month from now. Fucking Waldo-O-Rex. Salsa Boy could be number two. It's back-to-cook. Bro, this guy is 17 and 2 now. Shout out to fucking salsa boy, man. Got it through the mud. What a career resurgence, man.

Since the Pavlovich loss, three and O, all three wins by knockout. Fucking hell. The guy's doing it, man. Folded Derek Lewis with a jab. Fucking out. Yo, I watched the replay of that when they announced the Hokeet Derek Lewis fight. Josh Hockett's going to, like, Derek Lewis is not who he once was.

Not like, you say folded? He just kind of like knocked him down and Derek Lewis was like, I'm good. I'm good. I had enough of this. Donald Trump's favorite fighter? People talk about like fighters like quitting when they take like a massive knee and like legit get crumpled. It's like, you quit, bro. Derek Lewis actually just quit. He threw like a big overhand right missed and then Cortez just tapped him with a jab and he was like,

all right, I'm done. But that's the fun of Derek Lewis. He will now follow up that performance by decapitating Josh Hokie potentially. Like that's just how, or he might do that again. But that is the fun of Derek Lewis is like, you don't know if he's even going to fight sometimes. But when he fights, he does actually like decapitate him. Here's actually the magic for Josh Hogan. in that is if he wins, he's going to knock out Derek Lewis. There's no way Derek Lewis is going to maintain that 15-minute pace. Gas. Or he's going to get obliterated.

Yeah, or he'll get, it's perfect. I was saying this one when Ariel was talking about it, is like, is it too soon? It's Derek Lewis. Like, you don't really, like, there's not a lot of game planning you have to do. You don't really have to think too hard. Avoid getting decapitated by Derek Lewis, and you probably can win that fight because we saw Hogan's gas tank is crazy. He was huffing and puffing, no doubt, but to keep the pace that they were doing and take the shots they were doing and still be spamming like uppercuts in the later rounds, like he's got a tank.

Who's Pantosia-esque? Yeah, zombie. And like how Pantosha gets in that like zombie mode and he starts kind of like plotting. Yeah. But he just still is throwing like, he had some flurries like late in the third round where I thought he was going to finish Curtis Blades for a minute. Yeah. It's going one way or the other. That's the most obvious like this way or that way outcome.

This is a nice transition to the Winnipeg card. Okay. Look, the UFC has had a great last couple weeks, and we could be looking down the barrel at a fantastic summer. Yes. And I'm wondering in four months post the Philly card, how we're going to be feeling? Like, is it like, man, the UFC's fucking back, baby. Like, we are riding high.

What's next? Big fall. MSG is going to be fucking badass, blah, blah, blah, blah. It would be a nice change of pace. from like the weekends like this. Yeah. 100%. 327 gave me a little boost.

327 gave me like a... I think Seattle too. You're right. Seattle and 327 back to back gave me a little... And Moikano winning as a big dog and getting on the mic and being like, yo, what the fuck am I doing here? Shout out to that.

He's like, who the fuck is Chris Duncan? I got a YouTube channel, man. This doesn't help my YouTube channel. It was on the pod with... Got out to him. All right. Let's get into this weekend. UFC Winnipe.

Gilbert Burns, Mike Malott, Welterweight clash. Gilbert Burns is not won in three years. He is on a four-fight losing streak. He's getting ready to turn 40 this year. It's not great. Still holds the number 11 spot in the welterweight division. That's neither here nor there.

It's an opportunity for Mike Malott. But let me play devil's advocate. Please do. Let me play devil's advocate for Gilbert Burns. Yeah. The losses are too as follows. Okay. Michael Morales.

Absolutely killer. Undefeated. Number three, Undefeated killer. Well, disputed, undefeated, but killer.

Oh, yeah. I forgot about that. That typology bullshit. Undefeated, number three contender. Sean Brady. Savage. 18 and 2.

Number one contender, Savage. Number six contender now. Previous. I know, but they really did them dirty with that Michael Morales loss. They were like,

uh, Jack Delamette Alana. Former champ. 18 and 3, number one contender, former champion. Bilal Muhammad, 24 and 5.

Former champ. Number four contender, former champion. And he was hurt, Gilbert Burns was fucking, like, badly hurt in a fight. He couldn't even fight. These are not the Charles Radkees of the World of the Weight Division.

By the way, what's the one before that? What was the one before that? Jorge Mazzvedal? Hamza Tchamayev. No, no, no, because he beat... No, the loss. Oh, the loss? Fuck, yeah.

Fuck. This guy really is just losing the fucking... And what's the loss before that? Camaro Usman? Title fight against Camaro O'Sman. Jesus Christ, bro. Shout out to Gilbert Burns. Herber is so fucking loose to anybody.

Fuck, he does not. Is Mike Millae anybody? Yeah, that's the question here. It's like where he's at in his career, 40 years old, hasn't looked great in these losses either. The Jack Della won, he was looking really good in that fight. Michael Morales, no. No, man.

It's hard to look at him, Michael Morales. It's always one round. Yeah. Sean Brady didn't look that great there either. Yeah. Bala Muhammad. Was that the one where he came in injured? And it was kind of just like a-

injured. Outpoint. It was on short notice. He was very hurt, and they just did it. They put it on there. I think people are, I think we're discounting Gilbert Burns, like a little, a little too much. I think if he's healthy, he's going to come game. Ultimately, I just don't know with where he's at in his career if it's going to matter.

Mike Milana's on this ascension. Now, his last win is also shrouded in controversy. You know, he hit Kevin Holland in the nuts three times. At one point, like, Kevin Holland is one of the toughest sons of bitches in the entire UFC. and he had him in the fetal position holding his nuts. And he had to continue to fight through that and he only won 29-28. Didn't get any points taken

despite hitting him in the nuts multiple times. I just kind of feel like with the runs that both of them have been on, Gilbert Burns is getting a little bit too written off here. But there's a world where if Mike Malott runs through him, it's just like, okay, Gilbert Burns is just cooked at this point. This to me is the biggest, like, stay away of all time. The biggest, like, I don't know where either of these guys

is truly at. you said, like, Mike Milat is somebody who's, you know, been exciting people as, you know, one of the Canadian names that people can, you know, stand behind. But he's not like a young dude, right? Like, we think of him as a prospect because he hasn't been in the UFC and an MMA for a super long time. But what is he 34, 35? 34, yeah, which threw me off, man. Yeah. In my head, it feels like he's 28. Well, because if he has the, the, first of all, he looks like a young dude. He's just a handsome, young kind of guy.

But he has the feel of somebody who was like a prospect that we're like, oh, I can't wait to see how this guy progresses through his career. We're at the do or die time already. That's just the reality of this situation. It is now or never for Mike Malat. He's going to be 35 and it's not exactly like he had like he, he's going to be Gilbert Burns before he blinks, right? That is coming very fast.

And so this is the do or die time for Mike Malat. I do think Mike is still. very dangerous. I still think Mike is very good. On his best day, he's not beating Gilbert Burns. Gilbert Burns on his best day. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought you meant Mike Malad on his best day. No, Gilbert's best day, that version of Gilbert Burns is beating Mike Malat.

I just, it has been so long since we saw that best day from Gilbert Burns that I don't know if Gilbert Burns has that anymore in him. And so it's really going to come down to that. Like if the Gilbert that we know shows up, it's going to be very difficult for Mike Mallat. Gilbert's a capable striker, powerful striker, and then on the grappling, it's just night and day. Like that dude, he doesn't, people don't really like think of him that way because he spent the majority of his UFC career trying to knock guys out. But when he grapples, he's filthy with it. And so it could be hard. I mean, we also saw, you know, against Neil Magny's sort of gatekeepership.

You know, the test for gatekeeperdom? He failed that one by losing in the third round. Come on in, Frankie. Frankie, come on it. It's all right, man. You can interrupt the show. Come on in, Frank. Yeah, here we go.

There it is. Frankie bringing in the water bottle. Tried to be quiet about it. Door squeaking like fucking all hell. Thank you. Standing in the corner looking all awkward. Now, to be fair to Frank, that was my mistake. That was my fault.

I was a little late to the chair. Forgot the water. Thank you to Frank. A little late. It was like 1259 here. I also have to shit on Frank a little bit just because we can't give him full reprieve. Sure.

He handed me the bottle and was like, bring this to Rick, completely empty. And I was like, you want me to bring him an empty bottle? And he was like, yeah, yeah, he'll get it. He'll get it.

Well, thankfully, Frank got it. All right. So at the end of the day, I'm taking Mike Malat, but, uh, what's the line on this one? He's now dipped under minus 300. It's like minus 280 Mike Malot.

I think you're right that Gilbert Burns is being undervalued a little bit just because of, as I said, how well rounded the skill set is. When he grapples, he is a fantastic grappler. We saw it in like the Wonderboy fight. Like when Gilbert really commits to that,

he is fantastic there against Jack Delamadalena, right? He was crew. He wasn't cruising. It was a closer fight than I remembered. I watched it again ahead of Jack's fight with Balal. But Gilbert was in control of that fight in my opinion until Jack kind of turned the tables. And so, man, I just, I haven't seen,

tell me if you agree with this. I haven't seen the thing from Mike Malat that made me go, surefire, this is the guy, no-brainer, picking them against most people. I just haven't seen that performance yet. And so it gives me pause, but it stands to reason that Gilbert Burns' best days are just behind them. For sure. And you have to kind of back the youth here. But at the same time, would I be shocked by a Gilbert Burns win?

Not even a little bit. Not even one bit of me would be shocked. Time comes for everyone. We all just await the green line. from JT lines on. Yeah, we'll see. Undefeated so far. What's your prediction

on who's going to have the straight line? I don't know. Well, they both? What happens that they both have a straight line? No, I would never. It would never. He's the master of the straight lines. He's the one that makes the predictions.

We just have to wait and see. We have to wait and see. Can he keep the record? It's getting, we're April now. We're getting late into the year to remain undefeated on the very beginning of the year. Yeah. I think he's maybe missed one or two.

Maybe the lines just weren't speaking to him, but... Maybe that's when they had the double straight. Maybe you don't go for that. We will wait and see. People demanding an FBI investigation if it's Gilbert Burns and Gilbert Burns comes out victorious. We will see. We all await it with bated breath.

Let's go to the co-main event, Kyler Phillips taking on Charles Jordane. We talk about Mike Malat being older than you think. Yeah. I thought Charles Rodin and Kyler Phillips every time I think about them, I think they're older. Than they actually are. They're younger than that. I think they're older than they actually are. I think Mike Malat is younger than he actually is.

I agree with that sentiment. Kyler and Charles only being 30 each. Yeah. Both these guys have double-digit fights in the UFC. And Charles' feels like he's been around for a lifetime. Yeah. It just feels like I don't remember a UFC pre-trails. It seems like he's kind of putting it together too.

Back-to-back wins, both of them being finishes. Kyler Phillips coming off of back-to-back losses. I'll be it to tough opponents, but we'll see. I was like, what's the butt? Victor Henry and Davy Grant are both extremely. tough guys too. It's not like it's just finishes. Like this,

it felt very clear to me, and it also felt like clear when we had Charles talking to, on the show in his interview with Ariel. He has really like aligned himself. His life is really like in the place that he wanted to be. He's figured out the game a little bit,

in my opinion. I've thought this at various points about a guy like Andre Feeley before, like where you see these guys with all this talent and all you hope that they do is like figure out their priorities, their life, sort of things that are like the outside the cage stuff so that they could display that talent fully.

This feels like Charles is in the best place he's been. It feels like he's able to kind of like focus on the fights and display the talent. And their performances have shown that. I think Kyler Phillips is extremely dangerous. He's just so like unique and athletic and unlike most people that you see in the cage. But I do lean towards Jordane here.

Like I just feel like it's his time. And of the, like, Jordane's going to be the better technician, even though I think of Kyler Phillips as a very dangerous guy. And so I tend to lean that direction, but I also feel like Charles has been in there with higher level opposition and been able to kind of like prove himself more and looked better lately. So I'm going with Charles. But I think this is a fantastic fight.

I really, really am excited about this fight. This is the people's main event. For sure it is. Mandel Nalo taking on Jai Herbert Why is Mandelano's nickname on Tapology Mango and not rat garbage? Did he change it?

I need answers to that question. The 36-year-old... Yeah, mango. Yeah, it's fucked. The 36-year-old prospect makes his debut after a big Dana-Wi Contender Series when... We fell in love with him in Bellator,

but why... Yeah. Why is he lifted his mango? I don't know. Jai Herbert Last fight was a loss to Taco Chris Padilla Yeah

Mandela is good man Mandela's good and so This is a style matchup right I think Mandel's going to have success If Jai Herbert's one of those guys It's almost like I was talking about with Jardine a little bit Jai Herbert's one of those guys When he's locked on

when he's really using his height and just staying behind the staying behind the jab using kicks, it's a very difficult puzzle to solve. He is massive. He's just a long, massive dude. And so I think he can give Mandel problems, but what more frequently happens is

Jai Herbert has lapses or leaves an opportunity for a fighter that he probably shouldn't have and then ends up being on the wrong end of it. The best version of Jai Herbert, though, is is a real physical matchup problem for a lot of guys in the division. And he could be that, but often that guy is not like the guy we see in the cage. It's hit or miss.

Sometimes we see that. Sometimes we don't. I'll lean Mandel Nalo on this. I'm going Mandel. I'd like to see him get a win here and, you know, potentially becomes something. Right now he's sitting at minus 170 against the vet and Jai Herbert. I think there's a little bit of value on Jai. I think Jai is like...

Black country, Banger, Backer, New York, Rick. The up and down nature of his career has made people think that he's worse than he is, in my opinion. Like, only man to drop Elliot DePoria. Again, that's the sign of, that's the sign of what he can be. He can be that, but often he is not. So I don't know. He also got folded like an actual long chair later on the fight. But also, I joke about people forget.

I feel like that makes every single Illyipytaquia highlight real. When you get inside on him, he has become susceptible and easy to hit. When he keeps you at range, he's, very good. Jasmine. Taken on Karini Silva. Jasmine. In a shocking.

Jasmine in a Jasmine in a... Jazz divisius. Shocking turn of events. K-Oed last time now. Oh, Jasmine? Jazz divisius. Yes, Jasmine.

Jazz de Vizziest. Catoed by Minone Fero in 75 seconds last time I was not expecting that. I was blown away by that performance by Minone. It's what made me kind of keep her where I have her in my pound for pound rankings because I was like... Damn, Jasmine was on a streak. She is very good, and Manon to do that to her, it was incredible. But it also, the other side of that coin is, I think, very highly of Monon.

Like, that to me is not, like, indicative of much other than she got caught by somebody who was a fantastic fighter, who pushed Valentina Shevchenko to the limit in their fight. 48, 47. And so I expect, I expect Jasmine to really get back on track here. Like, this feels like the type of fight that she can. correct the wrongs of the last fight and start another street. Talk about time too, man. She's 37.

Yeah. She's not young, man. It feels like we just got her and she's already 37. Yeah, I'm going with Jasmine as well. I gotta support the friend, Jasmine. Shout out Jasmine. Jazz DeVis. Jazz DeVis. Shut up, booze. Oh, man. We love you, Frankie.

And Jasmine. That's fucking illegal. Tiago Moises, they can on Gage Young. UFC vet, Tiago Moises. lost us to Islam Makashev, Joel Alvarez, Gaj Young. I think he lost on Contender Series, and now he's a one and two in the UFC.

It's been a rough road, but the youth on his side, I think I'll be able to get it done here. Dennis Bazooka versus Dano-Wi-Contenters Series. Shout-out, New York Zone. Barbosa. Pizuco, one and three in the Contender Series. He's a big dog.

I mean, in the UFC. We're going to ride with the bazooka. Nah, I'm going, Marceo. Nah, New York Zone. Come on, come on. Robert Valentine versus Julian LeBlanc, LeBlanc making his debut. Valentin.

Oh, and three so far in the UFC. Great nickname, though. Sure. Robzilla. Shout out to him. The only fight on this card where both the fighters are on win streaks. Oh.

Tanner Bozer versus Go-Con. Sorry, Con. That's interesting in telling about this card. That's for sure. Tanner Bozert, two straight wins. Shot. Con. Three straight.

Shout out to the bulldozer He's a dog here, huh? Damn. Neither of those He hasn't fought in the UFC since 2023 They brought him back in Neither of those

Winstreaks are Within the UFC There are no fighters On this card Fighting each other That are both on UFC win streaks One of them was in the UFC

For Bozer That's good One of them Yeah The other was The other was in UAE Warriors I think Sure was

Surprised that he's such a That he's not such a He's a small dog But surprised that he's a dog to a UFC debutante? No, Gocon had some good times in Bellator. I know, but... Yeah, actually.

No, yeah, he has some good wins in Belator. You're right. All right, fair enough. I know Frankie's been chopping on the bit for this one. J.J. Aldrich versus Jamie Len Horth. You said you wanted to do the breakdown for this one, Frankie? I did, and then I thought better of it because you guys are so much better out of it than I am.

Oh, I thought it was because you were too biased to J.J. Aldrich. Oh, I thought he was a Jamie Lynn guy. you haven't seen the JJ Aldrich poster above his soundboard I thought it was Fatima Klein above the soundboard Man these allegations are you trying to get me in trouble Fatima Klein is in the locket that he carries around like he like he's at war he looks at the necklace before each show and he's just like

and then he closes it up I do this for you of Fatima I love I heard him say that one day Wow. I was like, sorry, Frank, what did you say? Oh. Poor Frank. Mitroposos was fighting on this card.

He's taking on Alan Nassimento. Yep. I'll be seated. John Castaneda versus... Lexi Maxi. Yeah? Versus contender series loser, but UFC debuter, Mark Vologden. Loser, but in the sickest fight of the year.

Like in the creeper. According to the UFC's YouTube channel, the sickest fight ever. Human history. Yeah. Clishe, but there were no losers in that fight. He showed some things that made me believe that this guy could actually be very, very good in the UFC.

I agree. And then the curtain jerker. You know it. I know it. I don't know it. Jamie Saraj versus John Yannis. I didn't know it. Now I do.

Canadian? Debueur. I like it. How many Canadians are you got? Tough enough vet. I got a few Canadians on there. Not as many as I thought they were going to be, if I'm being honest. Look, man, it's a Mike Malad, Jasmine, Jazz DeViscius card that's all that matters.

There's one, two, Mandel Nalo? Three, four fights without a Canadian? Look, man, you want me to be... That's a lot. You want me to be totally honest? It's the top four for me. Yeah. Jasmine Jastavichis, Karini Silva. Yeah.

Mandel Nalo, Jai Herbert, Kyler, Fils, Charles Rodang, Gilbert, Gilbert, Burns, Michael, a lot. You're right. sports. You're right. Those are the only fights happening this weekend in 39 minutes. PFL, Belfast gets underway. Should be kicking off real soon.

Kind of tough because it's kicking off at 8 o'clock in Ireland. Seven o'clock for that three-fight main card. Supposed to be Paul Hughes. Instead, we got the Rock Kelly. Reese McKee and the co-man. James Tahuna in the featured bout. James Tehuno? It's tough on the local Belfast fan.

Who's James Tohouni? James Tehouno? Yag Shemirnoff. Oh, Davlet. Your boy, James Tehounin, the PFL. Shout out to James Tehoun. Cut out Jake Paul. Yeah, it's tough on the local Belfast fans, losing Paul Hughes, and it being that late.

That's all you can say is it's tough. So, yeah, I'll tune in after the show. Is being two tonight? Yeah, I at least want to see the main car. action. See if our boy James to Huna gets it done? Yeah, Gerard Kelly, Reese McKee. I'll be cheering on the Irish. For sure. For sure.

And that story that Petey told us about Alex Lahore. Alex, the horror? Not the horror. The horror. Who drove him? Alex, the whore? From London to Manchester, Birmingham? One of them. One of the two. All right. Those are the fights of the weekend. Looking forward

to it. Looking forward to it. Let's do our bets and parlay pals. Let's do it. Speaking of the PFL, Pizzi already sent me his No one loves a PFL pick More than Pizzie Carroll And he is taking Omron Shabahn money line

Minus 360 What could go wrong You tell me What could go wrong Last time the parley pals were in action UFC Seattle We went against our boy Lance Gibson What did we expect

We went against Joe Piper What did we expect Yeah that was a fuck up on our part 17 and 38 It's not often that Pizzi and Frank are the ones coming through. That's true. Is that supposed to mean? That's true.

That is not often when it's Pizzie and Frank were the ones. Frank is a steady hitter. When you're in the green, you could talk like that. I'm in the green all the time. All right. O'Ran Shabon is off the board. Adjust accordingly, gentlemen. Frank, you'll go first.

Yeah, I'm glad that you asked me because I love him a lot. His name is Mike Malotte. And I'm going with him. Can't believe you so old. 34 is so fucking old. He's young in my heart. I love you, Mikey. You know what?

This is his best explanation ever, though, actually. My man. The only one we've ever gotten. I'll be taking Jasmine. Jazz Divisiest. Yep. Got to do it. Every Canadian card you have to have the Jasmine Mike Parla.

We learned our lesson. We used to pick against her and now we pick her. Well, lesson was re-taught when I picked her against him up here. Did you actually? Yeah, of course. I pick her in every five, bro. No, no. For parley pals, I'm saying, though.

Yeah, but I still bet on her. Yeah, that'll pay dividends. She's been good to us. All right, I'm going, as soon as I saw James Theruna was on the card, I was like, God, I got to go against that. Like, it's been so long since we've seen him in action. I'll go with Dovlett. Okay, wow.

Fading James Dono. It's a little bit fucked up. Has he been fought in a long time? He had that boxing match. Where he called out Jake Paul? He called out Jake Paul. Shout out to him. All right.

That's the parley. By the way, Tyson Pedro is fighting. Shout out to Tyson Pedro, but I am picking Dovelo. Shout out of Tyson Pedro. Absolutely legend. Those are the picks. There it is. Plus 176.

What you said? We just got two S's and jazz mine. Yeah, blame the stupid fucking graphics department. Fuck down. Stupid fucking graphics department. What happened, man? Man, you're referring to a whole department. You're referring to an entire team.

Man. What is that? All right. I only have one bet. it's simple, it's short, it's brief. You got a Canadian card, you got to do the Jasmine Mike Malat Parlois. It doesn't matter how worried I am about Mike Melod against Gilbert Burns. You got to take it.

You got to take it. It pays minus 130 this week. So that's the one. That's the pick. That's the bet. Just one for old CB this week. Before we move on to pound for pound, yeah. Thank you to intern Josh. He provided, I believe, an explanation for the mango nickname. Oh.

For Manel Nala. What was the reason for the switch to mango? I don't know. It happened without me knowing somebody messaged me the other day. I was like, hey, you're Mango now. Like, oh, I guess I am. I guess I am. You know, it might be, I don't know, I have no idea.

It's what my friends call me in the gym. Interesting. All right. So I wonder if someone internally reached out the topology and was like, yeah, we call him Mango in the gym, not rat garbage. I know, but he doesn't even know. Yeah. Mandel Nalo got his nickname changed.

All right. rack garbage was much cool We're staying rack garbage Yeah we're just at the rack garbage It's like when Sticks It's like when Robert Whitaker Like was shunning the Bobby Knuckles

And trying to be the Reaper It's like come on bro You're Bobby fucking Knuckett And that's a that's a dichotomy You got different personalities there It's like when Bobby tried to change his name to King No but he actually did What was that?

Legally Did it? Legally changed his name He did it What was that for? He legally changed his name Bob He legally changed his name

Robert Green King? Is no longer Robert? You're dead naming him man, come on. Wait a minute, but you said you were going to dead name him because he let you down when you picked them. Yeah, but you know, things have turned to turn any leave. Bob?

Talk on the walk. Robbie? Dino, Dana, danga. All right, pound for pound this week. In honor of the main event from UFC Winnipeg, Gilbert Burns versus Mike Malott, we're losing the Gilbert. We're losing the Mike. We're losing them a lot. We're left.

burns. Pound for pound, MMA burns, shit talking, all of that. This is one of my favorite ones we've done in a while. There's so much good trash talking over the course of history in MMA, and we're about to give our top five. Frankie, let's just get yours out of the way, man. Yeah, let's just have, go ahead. What's the order? The order is Frankie, then Rick. Yep. And we'll have Connor take up the caboose. Okay. All right. Whoa. All right. I've always been a caboose guy. Conner's taking up the caboose. It's the last train.

Yeah, yeah, sure. Connor takes up. No, it's the last car on a train. Oh, it's all good. Damn. I should probably stop saying, man, I missed my caboose. So my number five, and most of these are just, I think, in terms of drops, right? So they're just short, they're sweet, and you're in, you're out.

So we're doing top five drops. I just want to be clear. But they're burns. All right. Sick burns, right? So one of my favorites is GSP telling Nick Diaz. Tell you something uneducated fool. It just hits so hard, he's like, you fool.

He's calling him uneducated. We all think it sometimes when the Diaz brothers are talking, it's like, what's going on here? Yeah. I think GSP just wasn't afraid to say it. The next one is Tito Ortiz, pop it back at Shale Sunnan with an old. I hear his gas coming out of his ass and it's not his butt. It's very nice that Tito was able to specify that there's gas coming out of his ass, but not his butt, because ass and butt are two different things.

But I love it. Follow it up by Conorne McGregor replying to Uriah of favor, after Yerai is trying to give him some clap, right? He just tells him. He looked like a 50-year-old retired skateboard. This was an all-timer. All-timer. And once you hear him say it, it's like, he kind of does. does look like Tony Hawk now, like as a father or whatever.

And like, it's mean because, but it fits so well. And you could tell like before they, he says that, like, they're like, oh, you butthead. Like, they're really just trying to get locked in with like, let's insult to each other. And then he just bust that out. What were you going to say with it? Surfer would have been more accurate. But the fact that he said skateboarder instead is actually makes it funnier. It's definitely.

It's great. And then, um, there's multiple times that Colby Covington has said this. so I only found one but like it's the the general idea where he kept indicating that Tyron Woodley Tyron Woodley was boring so he just like referred to him as

In the meantime you know I got my eyes on TyQuil Woodley So TyQuil One of the first fights that I saw with TyQuil Woodley It was with Jake Paul where he just gets knocked out

So when I heard TyQuil I was thinking it makes sense Because he just like fell over like timber But if you understand Colby was actually saying your fights are boring nobody wants to see them. Yeah. And then my number one, burn, um, is Patty keeps this thing going on where he refers to everyone

as little sausages. But then he, he made it, you know, like, outpropos when he was referring to Ilya, where you were, a little chorizo, you f*** a Spanish sausage. He has, like, a tool belt of insults, but then he tries to make him as personal as possible still. He adapted it. Yeah. It was great.

That was great. That was good. All right. Not that bad, Frank. Not that bad. Yeah, man. Pretty good. You having the audio drops made it 10 times better.

Yeah, made it much better. I was expecting none. That's what I do. Very good. All right. I want to get up front about my, my criteria for this. How I determine this. To me, there's a big difference between a burn.

Okay. And just talking shit or a cold line or like, there's a very distinct thing. I think the most important thing is when somebody burns somebody else, every outside observer, there's an instantaneous feeling of, um, god damn. Sympathy slash embarrassment for the person that got burned. Yes, I agree with you. It has to be like cutting, but it's not just like, I'm a kill you. Like it's not just shit talk.

It has to like burn them bad. All right. This one is number five. This one has aged better than it hit in the moment. in the moment it hit, don't get me wrong. But I think the audience reaction took a little bit more time to catch on to this one because they were actually more in the corner of the other fighter, the one who was being delivered on.

Okay. Not the one who was delivering it, but the one who delivered it, aced it. It's an iconic line. We all know it to this day. But in the moment, I think the crowd needed to pop more.

That's number five, and that is touch butt by Nate Diaz. Please play that clip for me. Who do you train with? You got that little gooky motherfucker with you? You got that skinny, For real, no, I got real train partners. I didn't really, you train with.

I'd slap the head off your whole team one by one. You and your big brother. Top ten, you guys, top ten kickboxers. You don't got, you're playing touch butt with that dork in the park, the ponytail. And I'm the one who I got no training partner, I don't think so. You seem to have it all figured out when you're fighting midgets. Bring your training partners in, you're gonna need them. My whole team will fucking beat your whole team's ass.

How about that? everybody was more hype for Connor Connor was kind of controlling that press conference but it shifted here when Nate seemingly like Nate was really like upset that Connor was kind of dismissing him and he's just like who like who the fuck do you train with like what do you have the qualification because Connor right before this is going this

on this whole rant about like Nate's soft in the belly I'm gonna hit him in the belly he doesn't know he's he's stuck in mud and he's just doing this whole like analysis of him and Nate's like didn't I win the first fight who do you even train with And then right before this, there was the whole thing where Connor McGregor was working with a movement coach named Ido Portal. And that is who Nate was referring to with this guy who's just in the park doing like movement exercises with Connor McGregor. Very like short, no sleeves, new age guy with a ponytail.

And Nate just capitalized on it. And touch button the park became an incredible thing. Shout out to movement coach Ido Portal, who we did not hear from after that. Number four, an iconic, iconic moment. A little bit easy. We saw this earlier when we saw Hamzad and Armin, which is when you just mock somebody by repeating what they said and making it seem stupid,

it's such a good burn. It's such a good burn back. This is probably the pinnacle of that. And that is conceive, believe, achieve. Oh, yeah. All time. By one Michael Bisbing. Play the clip, please.

Is there a way to be confident without coming off too cocky to some people? Do you even care if some people see you that way? I think people have always been drawn away from confidence for some reason that people are haters. They want to see you lose. Some people strive to achieve things and some people strive to hate. You know, if you think something, the likelihood of it happening is very slim. If you believe in something, if you know something is going to happen, if you're confident in that situation, you will achieve things in life.

That's how you overcome things. come things. That's how you put yourself out there. You believe it and you achieve it. And that's what I do. I know what I'm going to do. I know that I'm better than this. Sounds like the words that I'm going to knock them out. Conceive, believe, achieve. Shut the fuck up. Listen. And then the best part is later in the press conference, he follows it up with something about like, you're an average bloke and I'm a samurai and Michael Bisping's just like, what the fuck even is this, dude? He's like, shut the fuck up. Just like, when Someone's trying to get philosophical and deep thinking and everything.

And then people are just like, dude, shut the fuck up, man. It's like the quickest way to just like throw it out the window. Yeah. Rockhold's really trying to make like an eloquent point. And Bisping's just like conceived, believe, achieve, shut the fuck up. Completely shut it down. Even, you hear Dana White cackle as soon as he says it. It was a great moment.

Shout out to Michael Bisping, who then actually would go on to win that fight in a major upset and become champion. Number three, this was a post-pressor moment where somebody we know, somebody we love named Daniel Corri-Mei, had just gotten a big win, and on the back end of that, he took aim at somebody else

because John Jones wasn't available, he thought to himself, there are other options out there, and he took aim at somebody else. I'm calling this easiest fight. Let's listen to the clip. There's somebody else that needs his ass kick, too. I think he's around here

as Ryan Bader's ass and I'm going to beat the shit out of him next time you keep talking Bader keep talking Bader keep talking keep talking this guy's so disrespectful I'm trying to fight Anthony Johnson and Ryan Bader's writing me stupid messages

on Twitter because he wants the people to think that he deserves the title shot come on Ryan you can come and fight me you can get your ass kick like you were going to do in June okay I didn't get out of any fights Ryan I didn't get out of

any fights, not once did I say I didn't want to fight Ryan Bader. I asked him to fight you because I just want an easy paycheck. I knew that I wanted to fight you. I asked to fight you multiple times Bader. Bader, come on. I asked to fight you. They said, Daniel, what do you want? I said,

I want the easiest fight in the division. I want Ryan Bader. I want the easiest fight in the division. I want Ryan Bader. Just give me my paychecks right now, Bader. Get your ass out of here. This is my press conference. You can fuck out of here. All right. There's so many things. that it's just so beautiful about it.

It takes the like easy money. Like, I'll smash this guy just to this new level because he calls out Ryan Bader and he's like, yeah, I think he's here. And then he's there. And he's just like, yeah, I'll fucking kick your ass, Bader. And it just slowly elevates to this just like,

the U. It goes from like, it goes from, it goes from, oh, yeah, like the UFC offered me and like, of course I said yes. And like, it just didn't come to fruition too. The UFC asked me exactly what I wanted. I said, I want the easiest fight the division. I want Ryan fucking bit.

He's pointing out of it. He's pointing down at him, and then he's just like, get the fuck out of here. This is my press conference. Poor Bader, who had no mic and has no chance in that exchange, just getting dummied. If you're out of press conference and you don't have the mic we just saw recently with Colby and Luke, like, shitting on Bo Nicol and Bo Nicol had no mic, just don't say anything.

You're done. You just can't come back from it. Once he started walking toward Cormier and then Cormier stands up, I was like, oh, boy, this is a rap. It's fuck. Easy, I want the easiest fight in the division. I want Ryan Bader. That's a fucking, that's an undress.

That's a sick burn. It's so good. All right. Number two, this one's a little bit different. This is the only one that's a little bit different because this was a burn that we didn't know that was happening in real time and then we later discover. This is a burn that it was a little bit of a slower burn, right? Because most of these other ones are happening in a press conference in real time.

People are reacting. They know what's cackling at the Michael Vizs Bing thing. This was one that was very intimate that we then got revealed to us. And that was something I called, let's talk now. Now. Please please. No fear of saying, let's talk now. As he's beating the ever-loving shit at the time of the time.

Yeah, all time. That's, that's, when you're, when, when the burn is just for that guy and he doesn't care if anybody else hears it, that's like a next level of a burn. Thousand percent. Just shitting on him. Because Connor McGregor, in the lead up to the fight with Habib had been talking and talking and talking and Abib just let him know when the fight comes, this is exactly what's going to happen.

And when Habib is finally on top of them and just raining down blows, raining down blows, raining down blows. I think this is the round that ends where then Connor says at the end, like, it's just business or something. But Habib is like, let's talk now. Yeah. Like, you've done all the talking before.

Let's talk now while I'm raining these hammer fist down on you. Elite level shit talk from Habib, elite level burn. Just for Connor at the moment. And then we got to experience it later. So that's. Number one, it's obvious. Don't get, like, don't get me wrong. This is not some, like, deep dive that I did.

This is not a deep pull. This is the most obvious one of all time, but it is also the best, I think, unequivocally. I don't think there's much contention for that title. And that's one I called who the fuk. Yeah. It's the quickest and most embarrassing undressing in MMA history. It is so fucking bad. Please enjoy.

Connor, take a look around you. You got a lot of champions, a lot of grizzled vets. Who do you think would give you the hardest fight out of anybody on stage? Right here. Right here. The heart is hitting 145 pound. The real hardest hit in 145 are right here. This guy TKOs people. When I knock people out, they don't fucking move. You're not going to... Who the fuck is that guy? Who the fuck is that? You know damn well who I am. Who the fuck is that?

Am... Oh my God. I don't know. When I take that guy's bull leprecha. Oh, good one. When I take that guy's belt, that guy's belt. I don't, I'm looking around. I don't know what anyone else has from here around here. I might have to jump up and fucking drag Floyd May. I don't know, Ben, see what the fuck he's at again. So much to this.

So much. The fact that it's so quotable, who the fuck is that guy? The way that he, like, calmly is holding the microphone and he's just, like, kind of like wiping his mouth and he's just, he does, like, the robotic, just like, who the fuck is that guy? Okay. Whole crowd pops. And also, he is dressed down.

Yeah. Hair is looking fucking great. Suit's looking fucking great. He's got the belt right there, the sunglasses on. And then they show Jeremy Stevens, tie is all fucked up, hairs fucked up, doesn't look good. And people just clown on him. And then Kovalkavich sitting in front, she's fucking dying, laughing.

And then his rebuttal is just like, oh, you're a little fucking leprechaun. And he's just like, oh, yeah, good one, dude. I haven't heard that one before. And just keeps right on fucking trucking. I took three notes as that was playing. Number one, Connor waiting to respond, right? Just like, it would have been so easy for Connor to just be. like,

shut the, like, immediately just get on Jeremy Stevens, but he was so in his fucking era. He was so fucking sharp at that time.

He knew to wait to time it, to wait for Jeremy and it's in a shocking. Who the fuck is that guy? Followed by the biggest roar at a press conference I can ever recall.

Nothing has ever popped like that. And then follows it up with the long form, who the fuck is that? And then when Jeremy says the lepricot line, the oh good one, under his breath.

Almost like, oh, Good one as he immediately directs his attention back to Eddie Alvarez. It was a fucking masterclass. I've never seen a sicker burn than that, just demolished. God, it's so fucking good. Jeremy Stevens has gone on to actually have like a lot more fights and a great career post that. To the point that now Connor McGregor and Jeremy are like in BKFC.

They faced off at BKFC one time. Like it's so fucking. What a fucking moment. Just unbelievable R at that press conference. All time. All time. All right. Great list.

Frankie Great List as well. I actually didn't include that one of my top five just because it is so obvious. It's so obvious. It's so clean. But at number five, I actually do start with a Connor McGregor clip during the Floyd Mayweather press conference. There were a million moments from that one. But this one is not directed toward Floyd. It's actually directed toward Showtime CEO Stephen Espinoza.

Oh, my God. What's your best man I was there? You little fucking wheezer. If there's ever a man that looks like a weasel, that's fucking it. You're going to do, you're going to stop up and do something? You sit down and shut your fucking mouth. You're telling the leader of a company who is going to be broadcasting your massive, massive fight. Shut your fucking mouth and sit the fuck down.

Like you talk about an undressing. You see Espinoza, who is probably surrounded on a day-to-day basis by many people who listen to what he says, who take orders from him. He is probably not typically in a situation where he's having to listen to what people say. But then when Connor McGregor, who at this time is the double champ in the UFC, you see him like readjust like he's going to stand up. And then he's just like, you see McGregor see it too. And he's just like, what the fuck are you going to do? He's like, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. He's like, shut your fucking mouth.

Like, it is, it is like, you're talking about a burn? It makes me uncomfortable for this. I'm like, God, damn. Because we'd all do the same thing. What are you going to do? A guy who could knock you out who's fucking crazy. Like, what are you going to do, stand and check to him? The moment he twitched like he was going to move.

Connor jumped on that shit like this. What the fucking are you going to do? And you can see Floyd's dad. And Floyd have fucking grins on their face while he's doing it. Oh, man. Fucking hell. Oh, it's so good. It's so good.

Connor could have a top five on his own. Top 20. Just throw a 30-minute trash talk compilation on of Connor McGregor. And like, it's some of the greatest shit we have ever seen. Number four, I actually go to a man who was on your list as well, D.C., but I go to a different moment. During the John Jones second fight, pre-fight press conference, looks get brought up. and DC and John Jones had this to say about each other. That's why you look like you look.

How do I look? You're a bum. That's why you looked like a bomb last time. How do I look, D.C.? Hey, all that, that's all just, hey, listen, that's all just for show. That's all just for show. I don't care about that. Who looks like a junkie here today?

Hey, that's just all for show. You can show your six-pack. Who looks like a junkie here today? You can just show your six-pack. That's fine. That's all for show. Who looks like a junkie here today? I look like a crackhead with a suit on.

Was that? You look like a crackhead with a suit on. I could look like a crackhead with a suit on, but I've never been a crackhead like you don't. So you can say I look like one, but I've never been one. I've never been one. Ah, so good. DC had a couple lines back in his day, and like you see him when John Jones is just like, you look like a crackhead with a suit on. And DC's like, wait, what was that?

What did you say? So he can just fully put the knife in the chest of John Jones. Incredible work by DC there. And he had some moments during that press conference where he's getting booed and everything. And he's just like, just want to make it clear to you guys, y'all are booing me when all I've ever done is fight fair. I haven't been running people over, hitting runs and domestic disputes and cocaine charges. But go ahead, boo me, boom me, like it's all good.

So DC has had some great moments throughout his career. We roll along to number three. Another man that could have a top 25, a top 50 of moments. A man that is sorely missed that is now honestly trying to be replicated now in Josh Hoken. And that is Chale Sondon. Here he is on ESPN with John Anick. And it happens very quickly, but an all-time moment here from Chale Sondon. Next up, Factor Fiction, Travis Brown, will fight for the title in 2012.

Could you imagine? Are we live? We are live. No. You have C title? Yes. Oh, shit. To have the wherewithal.

He knows they are live. He knows they are live. There's a whole procedure to get back from commercial break. Him to have the wherewithal to sit back and be like, could you fucking imagine? He's like, oh shit, are we live? Are we live? Just like absolute all-timer. And I will spoil it for you.

Travis Brown did not fight for a title in 2012 in 2012. All-time shit. The comedic timing of Chal Sondin was all-time. It was absolutely fantastic, which leads me to number two. Still is, by the way. Still is, still is. Still is. In my opinion, the two all-time greats when it comes to Mike work,

Connor McGregor, Chiael Sondon, those will be my top two. Number two, Frank, you already had it. It's the Urived favorite. Let's just roll the clip. What's up, little man? How are you? Big head? Butt face.

Gachney scar. This guy looks like an orange cotton candy. You look like a 50-year-old retired skateboarder. A little fat old man you look like. A little fat old man you look like. It's just so good because he walks in and he's just like, ah, sub-lid little guy. And like now they're off on this little tango.

You're right. He's like, oh, big head. And he's just like butt face. And then he's like, you have acne scars. And then it's just like, the aloeup is. already been thrown acne scars doesn't mean shit and then he just dunks on his ass he's just like you look like a 50 year old retired skateboard you fat little old man and it's just like it's over from there it's over from there Connor and Chale both have a 50 deep list like 100 maybe

it's so fucking good it's unbelievable literally sit there and watch like 20 30 minute compilations of it unbelievable it's so fucking good um number one Chail Sahn and you know it I know it we all know It is Cheyel Son and talking about the Nogara brothers. Oh, yeah. I was in Las Vegas when the Noggera brothers first touched down in America. There was a bus. This is a true story. There was a bus that pulled up to a red light,

and Little Nog tried to feed it a carrot while Big Nog was petting it. He thought it was a horse. This really happened. You believe it that that happened? He tried to feed a bus, a carrot. And now you're telling me that country has computers? I didn't know that. I did not know that.

Do you remember when I said he fed the bus a carrot? Were you even listening? Is this thing on? Is this on? And then the other one was petting the bus saying, whoa, the big fella. He thought it was a horse. And now you're telling me they have computers in Brazil? that's crazy to me

what was your question master everything about that video is so good I've never asked Ariel this why is it in black and white yeah they just had a series that they were doing in black and white at that time like that the fact that it's in black and white

and Chale is just completely bullshitting through this thing and then like Ariel's face where like he has this grin of just like this fucking guy I can't believe he's doing this and then Jail forces And he's like, you believe me, right? And he's like, not really, dude.

And just like, Chale against Brazil back in the day with like Anderson Silva and everything like that. Like, it was just so fucking good. And then to come up with that, like, it wasn't like that and his story of like growing up in Westland, Oregon. So good.

That one just isn't a direct burn at anyone. This one just shitting on the Nogara brothers. It's just so fucking good. It's so good. Like, Chale's comedic timing, his creativity to go after. people. And like, if you go back and you watch Chale's post-fight interviews, like with Joe Rogan, it's so good how calm he is. Also, Joe Rogan's first question was always irrelevant. It didn't

matter what he said. Chale was going on his own. And his ability to, when he was done talking, he was straight walking out of the arena. You see it now with Josh Hockett. It doesn't matter what Joe Rogan's going to ask him. Josh Hockett's going to say what he has to say and then leave the arena. The only thing I wish Josh Hogan would do more of is like, Chale, would call people out. He had a plan of what he was going to say. It wasn't always the rhyming shit. So far, Josh Hogget has just done the rhyming stuff. He's doing the rhyme, yeah. The more pro wrestling thing. But God, Chale on the fucking mic after those fights was so good. Joe interrupts him in one of them and he's just like, Joe, if I wanted a mediocre middle-aged

comedian to give me his opinion, I would fucking ask. It's just so good, dude. It's so good. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Shout out to CHLP. Undefeated. Shout out to Connor McGregor. The mic work was unbelievable. I do have a couple of honorable mentions. I have them too, but you go first. Mine are not Burns.

What I came across in the research were just lines that I remember loving that were just cold as fuck. Like nasty shit. All right. I have a couple videos. We'll do the Connor McGregor one first. The Red Panty Night. We get just the line from it, but the entire rant is insane. Let's play.

That wasn't the thing. question, but ask yourself, ask yourself truthfully. If Dana rang you and said, you don't have to fight Soroni, you can fight McGregor, even though Soroni was still fit. Would you take it? You're damn right, you take it. Of course, man. Because I change your bum life. I can't make you rich. I change your bum life. You find me, it's a celebration. When you signed to fight me, it's a celebration. You ring back home. You ring your wife. Baby, we done it. We're rich baby. Conner McGregor. I'm haters. Break out the red panties.

We're rich baby. So don't say you would not take that fight because you would take that fight like everyone else up here would take the fight against me if it was offered, regardless of belts or any of that shit. I'm the money fighting the male shit

at all weight of vision, so fuck everybody else up here. Just like the red panty night is what people take away from it, but like the, I'd change your bum life. You'd go back to your hotel room, you'd ring home,

you'd call your wife and say, baby, we did it. Connor McGregor, made us rich. And then the way he finishes it off, just with every single person up here, it doesn't matter, belts, weight divisions, anything would take the fight against me. Fuck all of you. Like, I am the money fight in this organization. Unbelievable. Just like full dress down. It's just like, it wasn't even a question for Connor McGregor.

He turns around and interrupts him answering that he isn't answering the journalist question. He's like, yeah, but that wasn't the question, mate. And just, when you have Dana like laughing like a schoolgirl like that, Like, you know it's good. In that era, we've played multiple clips now from that time frame, there was zero misses. Every time he opened his mouth, it was gold. Every single time there was a microphone in front of his face, there was five new things that people would repeat forever that just came out. Even just him, like, riding the bike with the, doing the snoop dog, la-di-da-da-da. Like, it's just like anything he did was just instantly iconic at that time.

It was crazy. It was so fucking good. It was so good. And then two back-to-back chale ones that are just, Him going after Vandrelay and him going after Tito. Which Tito? This is Bellator days. Which Tito?

You have to watch and find out. Oh, boy. I mean, do you understand, Ariel, you and everybody else waited in the weather, you came to the press conference. Vandalee, it looks like he found a bathroom as a backdrop in the men's shelter he's living at in Rio and got somebody to point his cell phone at his face. Tito is literally in the only profession I know of where you don't need to wear a suit and he keeps showing up in one.

It's like a local funeral parlor clothes and he was. went and took it off a corpse. Something you need to learn. Shows up looking like a matre d at Golden Corral. Yeah. Who is? Is that Paul Simtex Day? No, it might have been Lorenzarkin.

Let me see it back. Let me see who it was. At that very end barred. Let me see. Oh, it is Semtax. Yeah. Shout out to Paul Daly in the corner just dying. But just like the way he's just like shows up like a matreid D at a Golden Corral.

And like the Vandalee Silva is so fucking good. He's just like it looks like he's sitting in a men's room at the, he's sitting in the bathroom at a men's shelter down in. Brazil and someone pointed a camera out of him and then they go side by side and van der Leys just like all white background it's so fucking bad uh oh fuck chale dude there's another chale one that i didn't put on my list because it was a little too offensive but in that same era against tito teito kept talking about like he's a piece of shit he can't fight he does all is talking with his mouth and then he go chale goes the only one who i know who's made money off their mouth is

your ex-wife talking about Jenna Jameson. And then Tito's just like, you're a fucking piece of shit. That's how you know you want it. They're calling you a piece of shit. When you got angry, there was another one he had with Anderson Silva where he's just like, this fucking guy comes into the octagon and bows like that. They don't fucking bow in Brazil. You bow in Brazil.

They take the wallet out of your back pocket. It's fantastic, man. Shout out to Chilpe. Shout out to Connor McGregor. We desperately need personalities like that back in the Eminem. Shout out to Nate. Nate's had some iconic lines. Another Nate line. After beating Connor and talking about like he was boxing him up and then he tried to shoot, he's like, oh, you're a wrestler now.

That was a fucking underrated like burn after beating Connor McGregor's ass to be like, oh, you're a wrestler now. These were the two ones that like I could not get out of my head because they were just so cold, but they didn't quite fit the burn, right? Okay. Connor. Daniel Cormier and John Jones had so many fucking, like, heated moments, right? We have the, obviously we have the, are you there pussy, like when they were on the, the press, the junket together. We have the ones that you played from the press conference. One of the craziest ones was when John was in studio with Fox Sports, not the craziest, but one of the best ones.

John was in studio with Fox Sports, and Daniel was on Zoom. or FaceTime or whatever. He was coming in. And this is what John Jones said to Daniel Carmier. You said you could take me down 100 times out of 100, and that's what you're going to do, right? I challenge you to take me down five times in that five-round fight. You won't be able to do it.

Maybe you'll get me down once, but I believe in my whole heart. And he's like dead serious looking at the Zoom at him. I believe in my whole heart that I will get you down too. And the difference is when I get you down, your face will open up. There is nothing you can do to stop me from coming at you round after round after round with the most malicious techniques I know. You will lose this fight, Daniel Cormier. I want you to believe it.

Every ounce of training you put in to train for this fight will be a waste of your life. It's not quite a burn, but Jesus Christ. That's a fucking cold-blooded line. Especially because he goes 2 in the fights. And here's the other one. I don't know if you've ever seen this video, but Cormier and Jones sitting down together

with Joe Rogan in the middle. It was, I forget the name of the series. They did the series. They didn't repeat it. It was one time. But it's like, it was like an early version of that face to face that we get now. At some point in the thing, at the very end, actually, at the very, very end of it, Daniel Cormiere says, he's like going on a diatribe and he's explaining why he's going to win. The whole time, it's 40 minutes long.

He's talking about how big a piece of shit John Jones is and he doesn't deserve his success. He tries to throw it all away. Meanwhile, Cormié works hard at everything. Like he's just basically like, John, you're such a natural athlete, a talent and you try to throw it all the way. you don't deserve what you have because you're you're so flippant with it you're you're trying to get rid of it and then at the very end he's like and i'm going to beat you this time i'm willing to die to beat you and he repeats this he's like i am willing to die to beat you he hates john jones that much and he's like animated he's like seething he's angry and john just kind of like looks down for a

second and then goes be prepared to do that yeah and then that's it and it just ends and i was just like, oh, man, oh, man. The UFC needs to bring back face-to-faces. You need to create these rivalries where these guys who don't like each other are forced to talk with each other. I'm not talking about over a Zoom. Like, they need to sit down together and do a face-to-face. They're so good. They debuted this, like, The Walk, where it was like the behind-the-scenes, Teporia and Charles Oliver and, like, the Teporia line where he's, like, standing and he's like, it won't be quick as he's about to walk out there.

Like, just the more behind the scenes, the more interactions we can force these fighters have. Do we have guys like that that will shine in those moments anymore? I don't know. We got a see to find out. We got a see to find out. I don't think we have the personalities anymore. I just don't, let's put Connor and Chale to the side, right? That's gold standard.

They'll be one and two forever. There will never be people on that level. But even like a DC and John, I don't think we have people that can like get to that anymore or reach that level. Like I picked a DC on the Bader thing. You picked a DC. I just went over some John clips that really gave me goosebumps. Mine were Connor DC Chale, Connor Chale.

Yeah. And then my honorable mentions are like the CNBC interview with McGregor and Diaz, and she's like, we're going to need you guys to count the 10. And Connor's like, Nate can only count out five. And then like, you can tell Nate's getting frustrated. And Connor's just like, say it like it is Nate. Like, it's just so fucking good. Like, you can just tell how angry Nate is getting.

But like, he can't pop off because he's on this giant. network and he's doing this thing to build up the fight and everything. But then he does. He storms off. He's like, what is this, the fucking money channel? And then he's gone. And then he leaves. Take five, Nate.

Come and give me a coffee. And he's just like absolutely loving it. Like, that's in all time. Honestly, even when Connor wasn't even in his best, the 264 when he's just, Dustin is just talking. And then he's just like, your wife is your husband. It's so fucking dumb. And Dustin's just like, he's just like, man.

Your trash dog used to be better than that. Yeah. And then, like, they ask them, why are you so angry at Dustin this time? And, like, you were being so friendly last time. And Dustin's just like, because he got knocked the fuck out. And this was at the point where he was pushing the McGregor fast. And he's just like, yeah, man, people talking about McGregor fast. It's not that.

It's McGregor's sleep. Yeah. Like, he puts the mic down. Like, Dustin had a couple good ones. Dustin had some lines in the second and third, Connor. Dustin had some lines on the MMHA or in the Air Holwony show. Sure did. Who the fuck is we?

Who the fuck is we? muscle milk Mike just coining that Who the fuck is we? It's really just all Michael Chandler. Poor guy. Brian Battle. Brian Battle. I know you didn't think the butcher was going to lose

to a French dude all the time. That's important on all of France. All of France. Yeah. Also, like, you go back and watch that one? The fans were letting them fucking have it. Yeah, it was great. I'm seeing in the chat a couple people bringing up

touch butt. Rick had that on his list. Touch butt is elite. Joe Lee's wife. Joe Lee's wife I don't know that we have personalities like this but maybe that's because I haven't seen

like we haven't been exposed to them you know like what would a oh man what if they sat down Hamzada and Sean Strickley he's so fucking good someone pointed out the last one I saw face to face

was Deporia versus Holloway before UFC fuck 308 and like I don't even remember it was there anything that was the Who's Joe

oh that's the Who's Joe yeah so like even if they're not talking that's Zoom though right Yeah, but like even if we got that Let's do Hamzad and Sean Strickland on a Zoom But I feel like Yeah, I don't know

I just feel like that will devolve I feel like Sean Strickland would just be like Chetching horror Chetching horror And then Hamzat will just be like Oh fuck this I'm out of here I don't know

Oh people are saying man yeah DDP We lost DDP like the one line He's made several people cry Someones are like Borderline a little bit inappropriate Like you know what your dad did

Do you? Yeah Not borderline That was very good He's had some fucking great lines Great shout there Araggio Yeah

There's been some fantastic ones Anderson inviting Chale For a barbecue As a callback was great Okay but chailed The barbecue line Yeah I ain't surprised motherfucker

That's another good one That's I feel like the Oh we're wrestling now Is the better burn Of that series George Where you at?

Nah, that's not a burn What's the burn? Didn't he say that George is scared to fight? Yeah, but we gotta go higher quality on the burn aspect. Peter Young calling Shugashana Hooker in the corner. I don't think I remember that one. See, this is what I'm saying.

We're at the point where like jacuzzi is a burn where Marab just goes, jacuzzi, jacuzzi, like. Is he drunk yelling at DDP in the ring? That wasn't great. That wasn't a good burn. That was not great. Your no brother of mine was a good line, though, by DDP. DDP, that was a great one.

Yeah, I may be African brother, but you're no brother of mine. That was good. That was fantastic. Don't be scared, homie. Now, he's not Burns. Now we're getting away from Burns just to like iconic MMA lines. No. Burns, Burns.

Gilbert. I thought Frank was going to go number one, Gilbert. Yeah, me too. What have been a pretty sick burn. GSP, I'm not impressed with your performance. That's a good one. That's a class. That's an iconic.

You know, we used to have some great ones back in the day. Matt Serra used to really cook people. Oh, fuck, Matt Serra. Who was that guy? Who was that coach he cooked on the Ultimate Fighter? There was a good one. Lyman. Hold on.

Let me see if I can find this. But the chat's, I mean, there was a massive wind outside in the Empire State building mode? It was an earthquake. Oh, an earthquake. Yeah. What? We will rebuild.

Yeah. No, there wasn't actually an earthquake, right? All right, what are we looking for right now? There was a clip of Matt Serra on the Ultimate Fighter dressing down a guy named Mark Lyman, and it was an all-timer. Just find it, just find it. At the end of the day, Matt Serra was great.

There's been so much good trash talking, so many good burns across MMA, we need more of that. We need that vitriol. We need that hatred in these fights. your heart's back. John, as I said, there will never be another Connor and Habib, and there will not be another John in DC. I don't think people can rise to that level. And there will never, there will never be another Connor and Chale period.

In terms of trash talk, yeah. No, we need, we need. You never know. I'llie is a good trash talker, but it's more in like a cold. He's in the Connor vein, but it's just not quite. It's just like cold-hearted. Yeah. Also English is his second or third language, whatever it may be.

his ex-wife on the show doing the line about like, oh yeah, yeah, if, if somebody's going to die, it's not going to be my man. Like, that was a pretty great line. Bray, we got any voice most? That was fun. Ahoy, hoi. What up, boys?

That would be again. Donnie. Something that I have really enjoyed getting to do since retiring from being president. Retire. The PSL is watching MMA, which is something I never, you know, famously never really did when I was working in the space. I'd like to keep, you know, work, work-life balance, you know.

I'm going to consume my competitor's products. But I've got to say, this might be kind of a deep cut, you know. I'm new to this fandom. Have you kind of heard of this fighter, Yiri Parchaska? I mean, this guy. What a guy. And I've become a huge fan. You know, I've watched all of his fights in the USC.

I know he didn't really have much of a career before that. and I was just gutted to see that fight this weekend. So tough. Such a merciful samurai figure. I know it will be back better. Carlos Ellberg, not really my kind of fighter, very professional, but, you know, that was actually just something I did for the company. I really prefer someone, you know, laid out on the line.

But like Erie anyways, other reason I call, I heard the church. Okay. Conner, yeah, I'm still playing video games. Sorry, I had a lot to get to on the last call. I honestly forgot, Frank. Never do that again, Frankie. I'm sorry. Please, please, seriously now, please add me back on worming from home. Okay, this is an indie game. Frank knows what it is. Rick, you're probably losing it, I imagine, or staring blankly in judgment. Warming from home is an indie dev game. Okay, it's a simulation where you play as a worm working a finance job remotely from your home. You swap your body across the keyboard to work. You invest in the stock market and earn money. There's a highly advanced ragdoll system with physics,

basically just swinging herself around over this keyboard, which is hundreds of times larger than your body being a worm. So, Frank, it's a lot of fun. Please add me back. Any of you guys add me back, honestly. And yeah, have a great show. Talk to you next time. Thanks.

Love you, Don. Double D. Worming from home, huh? Yeah, I've actually seen videos of it. It looks... So the point of this game is that it takes forever because you have to type so slow. Yeah, I guess so.

Because you're the worm going over each individual key. That's how I felt when my keyboard was broken. Oh, yeah. Bro lost like three keys on it. I lost three keys and was doing the worm. Yerrimati incident? No. Show off.

Probably not... Probably not taking good enough care of computers, you know? Maybe a little too much eating near and stuff. just like dust and crumbs and shit. Go to the herbs. What's up boys in the back? Nico from Miami. What's up, Nico?

I just want to say I'm super pumped for 327 at the Kstaya Center. I just sold my kidney to afford a ticket. Oh, fuck. It was $620 to be up in the nosebleeds. But I want to make sure they hear me from up there. Kind of pairing that with something that has been talked about lately with UFC London. and even the Horaguchi, Manel Kopp, card being into Apex,

if you think the UFC starts to get out of the Apex and start to fill arenas for these fight nights, do you see the price for these numbered events going down, or do you think it's just going to keep going up and up and up? That's it.com. That is.com. Appreciate the call, Nico. So something interesting there.

Talk about how much you paid. It's the lowest gate at any Miami show since the return in in 2023. Yeah. O'Malley versus Verra 2, 14 million. Pereira versus Adasanya 2, 12 million. Fokinowski Lopez, 11 million. Prajashka, Ulrich, 7 million.

Who gives a shit? Really, it's actually 6.5 million. Yeah, to answer the question, I think it will go in the opposite direction. I think they're starting to already see, as you said, like diminishing returns where you can't keep raising the prices because people are going to stop paying these exorbitant rates. 600 for nosebees is ridiculous.

Someone responded to the news of this and says, it's better at home. Why would I spend all this money to sit uncomfortably in a stadium when Paramount Plus lets you watch it from your lazy boy with a drink or vape pen for $8.99 a month? It's a great question. Also, like, the views on the TV are almost always better than the view

you're going to get in the arena. It's, yeah, I mean, it's tough to, like, sell it. Like, sure, the atmosphere is unbelievable and, like, it can be awesome. But sometimes if you go to a dud card, you spend all that money and you spend all that time, it should be affordable for the fans, man. If you're in a- 600 fucking- Shut the fuck up and watch the fights.

If you're a fan, good point, Dan, if you're a fan in a city that gets it once a year or less, though, you feel like you have to, you have to be there. But, man, you keep getting these, you keep getting these fucking, low gates, they'll have to change. I think it'll go down. They'll have to change. Yeah. Hey guys, what's going on? This is Frankie from Orlando. I'm actually calling the day

after the episode on Friday in the morning and ready for work. I got two questions. Really, they're not even MMA-related, but I've been listening to Ariel since I was in high school, like 2012. But the two questions are, I know Rick had mentioned comic books. I don't know if you guys have been reading the Absolute series that D.C.

had recently put out last year, but it's phenomenal. wildly new take on everything even Batman and everything highly recommended if you guys haven't read it well my second question is actually for Andy a few months ago she had mentioned that she had I don't know if she worked or interned at West 2 News

but I live like maybe 15 minutes from there so I just wanted to see how her experience was there and how she liked Orlando I think a lot of people have a misconception of Orlando thinking it's just like theme parks and everything but that's not even in Orlando like I live on the east side of Orlando and there's a west side there's two completely

different places of Orlando. I'm sure she knows what I'm talking about, but yeah, I just want to know how her experience was, because I love living here. I'm a big magic fan. I used to be a ball boy there, so yeah, just want to know how her experience was, and if you guys read any in the comics. Big fan, love the show, love the edition. Also, shout out Frank. You know, us,

Frankie's got to stick together, so thank you guys. Damn, a little something for everybody on that call. Yeah, for real. Let's let Andy go first, and then we can talk comic books. Sure, I actually love being at Wesh, and he's right. Orlando is not just theme parks. Like, There's so much stuff to do.

I love going out in the weekdays, especially. Why did Andy sound like a, like she was on a talk boy all of a sudden? I don't know. Frankie? Sounded like she was in an air vent. Yeah, no, she was talking into that shitty, like, kids microphone. Your mics are down. How's that?

Much better. You guys remember when Frank killed our mics, Mitch? Come on, man. Your mics are down. Wait, sorry. Okay, Andy. Sorry. Back on track.

Back on track. No, yeah. No, he's totally right. Orlando is not just theme parks. Like, the best time to go out was weekdays. Downtown Orlando's super fun. a lot of really cool places. Wesch, too, though.

That was my... Wesh is the TV station? What is Wesh? Yeah, yeah, it's the local TV, yeah. So, yeah, I was there. Oh, gosh. I interned, I think, 2011, and then I stayed through maybe 2015 or so.

Like, it was a great time. I loved it there. My internship was super fun. Being there full-time was also really great. The crew was really great. The, you know, the anchors are all really nice. So if the question he's asking is because he's thinking of, trying to work there, then I would say go for it.

They're all fantastic. A lot of the same people that I work with are still there. So if they're saying it's for a reason, right? Shout out Orlando. Yeah, it seemed very specific. Maybe he is applying to that. Go nights. UCF.

Made the tournament this year. Yeah, and the magic lost the first playing game, but they have the second one. They can still make it. I only been to Orlando once. It was for the baseball winter meetings to go apply for a bunch of jobs. I have some friends in Orlando. We've never been to Disney?

Yeah. He told us that a few days ago, and we were all in shock. You're from Georgia, and you never went down to Orlando? I mean, I went to Disney when I was very, very young. Barely remember it. I've actually been to Orlando twice. I lied. I went to UCF one night.

But I went to the baseball winter meetings right after graduating college, like days after it. I graduated in December. I have some friends down there. I was supposed to be at the winter meetings at like 7 a.m. drank way, way, way too much. Was supposed to end up at my hotel, woke up on my friend's couch. It was like, how the fuck did I get here?

It was like 10 a.m. Needed to be at the meetings at like seven. Yeah, showed up in a ill-fitting suit, reeking of liquor, and got zero job interviews, surprisingly. Which event were you drunker for? The visit to UCF or the winter meetings one? Visit to UCF, I cannot remember what the name of the bar was, but it was like a $10 entry fee, and then it was all you could drink.

And so you don't remember much after? I actually don't remember Orlando at all. maybe I have been to the theme parks. Oh boy. I'm crowned outing. Not in Orlando. I am reading Absolute Batman and Superman.

I know Frankie's also reading the absolute series. Big fan. Comic book guys. I'm not really, but this particular series, he's right, is like changing the lore of these two, of multiple heroes.

I'm not like reading Green Lantern or Wonder Woman or Flash or any of the offshoots, but I am reading the Batman and Superman line of absolute and it's fantastic. DC or Marvel better to read? I'm a DC guy. I'm Batman, Superman over like X-Men, Spider-Man. I've always been DC.

Frankie, you love Absolute, right? I love Absolute Batman. I got Absolute Wonder Woman. I want to see where that one goes. But I'm actually, this might surprise you're not a DC or Marvel guy. What are you? Image comics and Dynamite. Is that spawn?

Is that like... Spawn from Image. Okay. Good shit. hipster. I need to say it. Always. Boys, it's Brandon from Australia, Melbourne, Australia.

I must say, I'm so surprised how many people in Australia actually written, Perth and Melbourne, I think of probably the most common areas. I'm just, yeah, I'm surprised, but just shout out to Australia, but just letting them know I'm the number one fan of MMA boxing and the boys in the back and the Ariel Hawaiian show. It's want to put that out there. but, Frank, you better put me on because I've been frigging up

a couple times trying to get my first voicemail on. You made it, Brandon. And my last voicemailer said, I was sitting on the couch watching Moses Atama at like 7 in the morning on 7 on a Sunday and I was like, boys, who are you taking?

Who are you taking stocking? Moses Atama or Gable Seaton? I was looking at him going, Moses is so good. Yeah. Yeah, I can't pick I'll let you boys decide that And now

I can't even remember My other point that I was going to say So yeah Shout out to Australia You know, Frank Seems very angry To shout out to Australia Shout out to Brandon

We appreciate the call Most of the Toma feels like He is destined to become heavyweight champ He might be already the best heavyweight in the world Yeah That's the crazy part In what's a shallow division with Usik out the door,

you know, career coming to an end. Yeah, it feels like, it feels like Atama is just waiting to claim the throne. But there's people that feel the same about Gable. I think, let's check the ages. Gable's 25. Moses is what,

21? Toma's 21. Moses is 21, and he's not going to be 22 till December. We need him in studio to bring that Nike swag, bro. Yeah, you love the track suit.

I think Moses Atama is the shorter bet, right? He's already practically a finished product. He's like, he's not a finished product and he will continue to get better. But his skill set right now, I'd pick him up against nearly everybody except maybe Usik.

And even then, you might pick him just based on the speed and the power. Gable Steven has a ways to go. MMA is just... The difference between Moses Atama and Gabriel Steven, the big difference is Gabriel Steven has been training wrestling his whole life and now he's transitioning to MMA.

It's similar, but it's different. Moses and Tomah's been boxing. Moses and Tomah has been boxing his entire life and he's going to be boxing and that's all he's going to be doing. And he is fucking good at that one thing. There's nothing for him to learn that's going to be fundamental. Everything he's learning now is polishing tools that he's been sharpening for years and years and years and years.

Gable Steven is learning lots of new things. The striking element, this is all brand new to him. So Atama feels like the shorter bet. Gable Steveson, I think, has more star potential because I think the UFC is a platform that allows people to kind of become a little bit bigger than the boxing space does. But it will require some hard days, some sacrifices and some things that I don't think, I think Moses Atama has already put in a lot of that work. And so I'm betting on both.

I think both are future champions. I think Moses Atama is like nearly assuredly going to. to be undisputed at some point. And I think Gable Steveson can probably get UFC gold. But I'm most sure about Moses. Atama has the chance to be a massive, massive star. Yeah.

They're both, I mean, they're both amazing. Yep. So, boys, this is Carlos from South Texas. What's up, Carlos? I'm calling because last week, somebody, I don't remember who was, somebody was hating on me. The Boer Gucci drop.

And I was asking when it would even be applicable in real life and I ran into the situation where it was. So I had a truck with some issues that I was wanting to trade in, while they still have value them, before it took a crap on me. So I go to the dealership, they appraised it, time going to live, there's some hopping in the front end, there's some electrical issues, much of good stuff, right? Anyways, my car wasn't ready, so they gave me a loaner

for a couple days until mine was done. and they called me today later that my car was ready I go pick it up cop off the loaner the guy looked at me and I said a truck he traded in and found all these issues blah blah blah I just looked at him and the first thing that popped up in my mind was he's a visa knees anyway I just thought that was hilarious and he didn't know what the hell I was talking about I didn't even take the time to explain to him and said no one never mind never mind Yeah, anyway, don't ever hate on the horary Gucci drop again. I hope you boys enjoyed the muck.

Catch you later, fella. Love the muck. We've got an in real life. We'll actively continue to hate on the horo Gucci drop because you left out the most important part when he starts with... A fight! A business. Fight is a fight, you know?

Business. And you also didn't... Yeah! Maybe he did. Maybe this guy at the dealership was like, what the fuck is happening right now what was the last part there frangie what the head is

what the fuck is that no don't do please delete the shitty francis one hello hello i'm good how are you where's the where's the call yo what up boys it's mannie calling from outside Miami

what's up manny just finished listening to the men in the muck episode I really like the energy man I feel like you guys really had a good time doing it that was fucking great And I don't know, when y'all was at the Heinz sauce machine, magic. I'm not saying y'all was high, but it seems like an experience that's enjoyable while high. And it seems like y'all enjoyed it.

Who's to check? And I just like the whole vibe of it. It seems like y'all really had a good time. It felt like a coming out party in a sense. Because, like, y'all are big time, man. They pulled out the red carpets. They did it, everything for y'all. Y'all got the sweet.

I mean, even though we couldn't see y'all view, y'all got the sweet, and it looked real sweet. And shout out to Rick. Shout out to Connor. Shout out to buy a windows package. Rick says it long, so bless them, man. To what? And shout out to Ambia. I think she really kept y'all going this episode.

Yeah, man. Shout out. Shout out, man. Shout out, man. Shout to Frank. Shout to everyone back there. It was a fantastic time. I had so much fun.

A trip that I will look back on fondly. We were not high during the ketchup machine. No. We're high during Bingham. We're consenting adults. It's illegal in Washington State. Who's to check? Yeah, it was a great time.

Consenting adults? Yeah. Yeah, I consented to get high, Frank. Understood. Someone put burning leaves and front of me and I consented to it. Like a burning bush? No. It was a PRJ.

Were you drinking the water like Ronda Rousey? Cap on, just fucking slamming it into your face? Exactly. No, I was trying to hit all the fucking bingo buttons and I bought too many cards and I couldn't keep up. Yeah. But yeah. Shout out, man. Seattle wasn't as exciting as it though. Bingo was kind of ass

but Seattle was fucking amazing. The mock NCO. How many did you have? He had three. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah, and there's like six cards on Each one. Yeah, we had six boxes on each one. Yeah, I thought it was going to kind of just be like simple, like B2.

And then it was like... This is because you're judging the clientele they usually have. But they're locked in, man. That's all they... No, they are locked in. I saw a lady before. Yeah. Casey did an incredible edit on that too.

Yeah, that was great. Kind of like psychedelic. Yes, a lot of people were saying they called after the men in the muck episode. If you haven't seen it, we did a like vlog behind the scenes that's available right now on the YouTube channel. So go check that out. Casey absolutely crushed that edit. 40 minutes. You'll see the whole trip. We went to the Space Needle, Pike Place Market,

all the places we ate at. You got some dicks. Got some dicks. It's all like... It was a... I also consented to the dicks in my mouth, Frank. Don't forget about that. Yeah, it was a great time. All the places we ate. It was kind of like a fight feast vlog. TST's involved. Mariners game.

Shit, I forgot about TST. We got the fucking home run on film. That took the lead. I bet a bunch of money on the Mariners. Good times, man. It was great. Good, good times. I don't know where it's going to be next, but if it's as good as Seattle, it will be a great trip because Des Moines was not that.

No. Good day, boys. Jesse calling from North Queensland, Australia. I see. Out of a little city by the name of Townsville. I've been following MMA since 2006 with this year marking my 20-year anniversary. Congrats, brother.

I've been a couple of live events over the years. I was up there, modern era, return to Japan in 2014, and I made a trip to us. USC's first ever show in Russia in 2018. Both cards headlined by the Aussie legend Mark Hunt. Legend. I'm sure you appreciate your shout out. Now, since I've had kids,

it's become more difficult to make these trips overseas, and I've loved living vicariously through you boys as you hit up events like in Seattle and BKSTI, Fire Circus. Shout out. I don't know if you know, but BKFP just announced their first show in Australia early this year and right away I started looking at what flights Sydney and Perth were going to cost me and then I noticed it was in Queensland so I figured um you know trip to Brisbane that's not too bad then my eyes slowly moved across to the venue and town

listed and that's when I noticed these cunts are coming to town's hill my hometown immediately I panic and message the boys everyone I've ever watched the fight with we're on those tickets like flies on shit Let's go. And you better believe we forked out some cash for the best one. Tell you what, boys, I cannot fucking wait to see these bloke turn and chelis faces into B-through sandwiches, you bloody beauty. Love your work, boys.

Cheers. Have a good one. Brother, appreciate you. Appreciate you listening. Congrats on 20 years in M.A. Congrats on the child as well, becoming a parent. That's this weekend. Two days.

At the Townsville Convention Center in Townsville, Australia, you got, Hayes Heppi versus Christoph Wisnowski Wisnowski. Yeah, as the as the main event Oh, and it's fucking it's prime time in Australia

It kicks off 5 o'clock here This is great, dude Congratulations. That is... BKFC is fun. You're going to have a good time. BKFC is fucking awesome. You're going to have a blast

and like you said it these dudes are going to turn each other's faces into fucking mince meat. It's going to be awesome. Enjoy that, brother. Going with all the boys too is probably, it's just going to be a rock. Also, like, to go to Townsville, like, what even, what's the populations there?

Australia population. Consensus last year. Okay, $205,000. That's not that small. He's like, my little corner of the world. It's like, oh, you actually got more. Shout out to you. I think Jesse, shout out to you, Jesse.

Big up to Townsville, big up to BKFC. Enjoy, brother. Wow, this looks like a beautiful little spot, man. You guys got a mountain. Looks like some golf courses. Add out to the mountain. Are you looking at pictures, Frankie? Yeah, man.

That's a nice looking mountain, dude. It's probably one of the best mountains I've seen. It's like overlooking the city. It looks like, it looks like kind of like a miniature city with a Great Barrier Reef? No. No, seriously. Yeah, the city seems to be built around the mountain in the center. Yeah, it's quite nice.

Shout out the fucking Townsville. Shout out Townsville. Big ups. Boys Morning, evening, whatever it is for you guys This is Aaron I'm good I'm good, I'm in Denver

Couple things I wanted to kind of ask and see what's going on First How do you guys feel about the Paramount cards Besides this last one How do you truly feel about them Have they been worse All the hassle and trouble to make them streaming Etcetera

Do you feel like truly feel like they've been worse Up to Snuff and worthy. Second question. Where is the foot, or not footage, where is that call where you had a caller or a super chat

of a fan literally predict that effing goofball Hokit going as far as he would doing as good as he would. I mean, this fan called it out. Can we give this man some love?

I know you guys can find it. God damn. As much as I hate a stick, dude's killing it man anyways love you guys welcome back love to hear us

there was a caller who was just like this is the hoaket era now welcome to it and you were like he's gonna go on to beat this guy and this guy and be champion and he actually did kind of like lay out

great I mean great call yeah if we can go back and find that one that is that is top notch stuff from whoever predicted that what did he do we I'll say this he was talking about the Paramount stuff, to me, the biggest compliment I can give them is there hasn't been

any noticeable lack of continuity between the ESPN era and the Paramount era. Like the fights are showing up fine. Yeah, but the streaming service itself has been great. Yeah. The cards up until Seattle have been shit. Hopefully this is the turning of the tide, but yeah, let's not beat around the bush. Up until Seattle, they were shit. It felt like they were detrimental to the sport. Yeah, but Paramount itself, they've been doing what they need to do. I have been seeing some people say that they don't post full event replays, though. Yeah, I've seen complete something in that drone. That's weird, huh?

Yeah, they post like the highlights. Do the replay. Yeah. But yeah. Shout out Paramount. Hey, what's up? It's Yadbit from Charleston. Um, I was just listening to the episode that y'all had about the guy getting John Jones tattooed on his leg.

And y'all were saying like what if a girl saw it and I have UFC fighters tattooed on my leg and they see them and they don't they just ask who it is and you tell them oh it's my favorite UFC fighter and they kind of move on their way. Okay. I've had I have Valentina Shepchenko on my thigh and Hamzat Shemaya tattooed on my thigh. Jesus Christ. So what I got in 2020 in 2021 or 22. Damn ahead of the curve. So it was real sweaty wondering it. he was ever going to fight for the belt or I actually win the belt or I was just going to have a random

chestnutian man tattooed on my thigh so it gets a little tough at some points but if you go straight to a champion like that but he's good he's fine that's nuts uh that is that is fucking crazy i i'm shocked that women are just like un-fazed yeah i tell some women i work in the ufc and they're just like, hmm. They're not very enthused about it. They're like, oh, cool. Oh, wow, congrats. Yeah.

Oh, wow, congrats. The fact that he got Hamzat, when Hamzat's, like, debuted and had like two wins over jobbers and was like, tattoo my thigh with that man. Even I can't claim that. I'm a Hamzaat fan. Even I can't claim that level of dedication. I'm also not going to lie. I don't think, oh, that's just my favorite UFC fighter is a good enough explanation.

If I drop the drawers and I got John Jones on my whole shit going down my leg, it's just my favorite UFC fighter. I can't imagine a woman's just going to be like, okay, nice. That's what he's saying is happening when he shows him when he shows him Hamzat. They're like, who's that? Ah, this guy is 2 and O in the UFC. He's incredible. Don't worry.

He's going to be a champ one day. Or Valentina. What is the picture of Hamzad? I want to know. We need to see photos. Send, send, okay, my email is on my ex account. We need, or send us your handle, send us photos. We need to see the, the hums out into Valentina and just be like, I need those.

And don't be shocked. Can we have, if you have a girlfriend, can she call in and describe what she first felt when she saw the tattoos? I'm just wondering if the girls also have tattoos. of like people's faces on their bodies, right? Because like I... What would the equivalent be? Would it be like fucking Kim Kardashian? Like who is...

Who is tattooed on a woman's thigh that is the equivalent of having Hamz out on your thigh? I just don't know. I mean, I love tattoos. I have tattoos, but like faces, like people's faces that are not characters or names, I would never do. So I don't know. Brother has a John Jones mural. Right.

On his leg. I would just want the story. Like, I probably would be like, why would you do that? But that's because I wouldn't do it. Yeah. I don't know. What is the female equivalent of this? What would a woman have to have tattooed on her?

Is it like fucking Sidney Sweeney? Who is the person? He has Valentina Shepchenko. So it would be like having a guy tattooed on her as well. Yeah, that's true too. She got Jacob Allorty on there? Shout out to that guy. Send us another voicemail.

If you got the girlfriend or a girl who's willing to give testimony, I'd love to hear. it but also sent us some photos. I don't know. That's one of those things that I honestly have no idea how I'd react until I'm literally in the situation. A girl just on her thigh is, I don't even know who.

A full mural to Chris Emsworth. Back to back. I can't be like, oh, big thorfin, huh? One normally. I don't know. I don't know. But shout up. Yo. Boy in the back.

Axman Award. It's Jimmer. Yeah? Question for New York Rick this week. Okay. Go ahead. Yeah, Rick, I'm trying to find the origin interview from the sound clips for that Dana. Does the, that's fucking illegal, you know?

And I cannot find it anywhere, man. Do you know what I should search or where I can find the original clip? I just want to find that interview. But anyways, yeah, I've been loving the shows lately, guys. Duce's love you. Okay. So I know that that video was a longer interview with Dana White. It's on the street.

Okay. I typed in Dana White fucking illegal shir dog on Google. There's a Reddit. Okay. Here's how you find it. I think they posted it in the shirt. Okay. They posted in the Sherdog forums, but that one's down.

You go on, you type in Dana White, fucking illegal shir dog. There's, Reddit is the second thing that comes up. The first Reddit option is Ben Ascrim was part of Dana White's infamous Sherdog, blah, blah, blah, blah. Don't click that one. Underneath that one is a post from May 11, 2023. Here's the legendary that's fucking illegal interview with Dana White responding to Gary Shaw, allegedly paying Seth Petrazzelli to not take him both sides to the ground. Let me click on it.

Here it is. Okay. It's a video by MMA report is the YouTube channel. It's two minutes long. Elite XE should be investigated. I've found it for you. 17 years old. 17 fucking years old.

Holy shit. That's fucking illegal. Shout out to MMI report. 705,000 views. There's the video. Yeah, I was in the middle of of a longer interview. There it is.

Shout out to you, Jimmer. That will always be in all the time. But the way he looks at the camera, that's fucking illegal. It's so good. Amazing. Boys, this is Jagger. from Hastings, Michigan.

What's up? I just wanted to give a quick call, first-time caller, long-time listener. Me and my wife, Alicia, we just found out we're having a kid. Hey, thanks, brother. So I thought I'd better to call than after finding out of that news, huh?

Who better than to call them? Well, I love the show, and you guys do awesome. I'm actually just watching live from Seattle, and you guys just make our work days. so much better. Thanks guys. See ya. Thank you, brother. We appreciate you listening. Congratulations on the child. Happy and healthy.

Rats on the sex. It's great. Yeah, true. We're literally beating up babies. Soon. Soon you will be. Uh, congrats though, brother. That's fantastic. That's awesome. Happy and healthy. Happy and healthy. Hey, boys. I called for the first time a couple days ago about me and my wife having a kiddo. And we're calling again and he's here and cush. Hi guys. Just wanted to call in again and say hello.

You guys do a great job. Have fun in Seattle. Out of flights. Go Izzy. Oh, boy. That didn't work out. Time capsule right there. Great to meet your wife, though, man.

Yeah, shout it to your wife. He sounded like you've been drinking a little bit? Nah, you know. Who's to check? Well done, Frank. My job here is done. Jinks. Yo, shout out, DoorDash.

You know, I'm happy. You guys got that son through, about that bag. But please stop ringing that fucking doorbell. My dog is going insane. I thought about that. Runs up the door and starts barking at it. Nobody's there. Like, shout out, though.

Happy for you guys. I thought about that when Frankie was ringing it all show this week. I've never had a dog, so I've never had to think about that. Whoa! In the studio, hey. Yeah, I don't want. fucking talking here. Don't ring that anymore.

No, no, this is not my fault. Shout out to DoorDash. We appreciate them. Oh, no, can you not get it off? My big ass head. There it goes. That's it.com. Shout at the DoorDash.

That's how I'm getting my dinner tonight, baby. Ari, I'll leave you anything in the bag? Anything to you? No, bro, ate everything. That was all the voice smells. Badass. Thanks so much for calling in. We really, really appreciate it.

Thank you, thank you. Got any super chats ranking? We do. Happy IBS Awareness Month. Everyone remember to do your annual gut biome test. I need to do that, and I need to be more aware of IBS Awareness Month. Or those suffering with IBS. Me.

My bowels are irritable. Who gives a shit? Gowl is also a serious thing. Bougie Opaka, 825. he says the Sabres' last playoff appearance was 2011 and this year in October they were last in the NHL and now their first in their

division and ended the drought. Is there any combat sports comparison to this? Oh man, it's just so tough. Sean Strickland. Yeah, Sean Strickland. Sean Strickland being fucking battered and then winning the title off Izzy was a crazy ass turnaround. Michael Bisping?

He went for a long time without getting the title. Charles Olivera? Those guys were all like good and up and down hold on this this this was let me go back to this are you going to sean strickland's resume leading up to the izzi fight yes what was it uh abus magamatov was the fight before nastardine imov lost by split decision to cannoneerneer knocked out by alex perera knocked out lost to jerry canonere knocked out by alice perr so july of 2022 yep knocked out knocked out by alex national fight week then december loses to jerry canonore then january canonore then january

beats Nassardine. Back to back main events. That was up at 205. July beats Avis. Fetish. And September beats Izzy. So in... Got that title shot circumstantially. A year in three months

went from getting fucking cold-cocked by Alex Pereira to being champion beating Israel to Sanya. Remember, I was supposed to be DDP, but DDP wasn't ready for September. So, yeah, that's probably the one. In a year's time, he really fucking went

from the outhouse to the panel. Are we getting into the Sabers, Frankie? my wife. Yeah. My wife. My wife. My wife. She and Super Producer Josh have been popping off for the savers.

And I just had to remind both of them that at the beginning of this season, the only thing that was going on for the Sabers is they had been selling like a beer Sabers cup. And people were like, they go for like $250 on eBay right now. Wow. But it was like that was all they had to look forward to. And, you know, I guess it's the miracle. Yeah, you love downplaying your wife's sports teams. It's like I hear about it all the time at work. You know, oh, the bills, this, the Knicks, that.

Then I come home and it's like, oh, it's the Sabres. I'm like, just fucking... Give me a fucking break. Didn't they finish first in the Eastern Conference? Who? The Sabres. That's what he said, right? Yeah.

Let's see them win the Cup. It's not all or nothing, man. You can still have a great season and not win the title. You know about the playoffs issue that they had with the stars before, right? no what is it they're just like they always they'll blow it and then they blame it on the other team does it remind you of something

no we're going to catch a Canadian cycle in person this is from moderator extraordinaire Elijah Andrejohn enjoy it Elijah one that's going to be fucking incredible man I hope you hit lastly pills diamonds just wanted to think the whole

uncrown team for all their travel and sacrifice recently for content for the fans Thank you so much. Hashtag Forever Legends. Legend. Coming from the legend, that is Bill Steinbeck. We appreciate you. We appreciate you.

We appreciate you. Yeah, man, Sabers opening up against the Bruins. Exciting stuff, man. Canuck? Us, go to the Canuck? To watch hockey. I'm down. Boy else for starting, baby.

I want them all dressed wings, baby. All right, thanks so much to everyone that's sent in a super chat. Thanks so much to everyone that's sent in voicemails. And I think that'll just about do it for us here. It's good to be back. in studio been four long weeks not here we're back baby winnipeg this week apex next week been an off week and then we got uc 328 off week all right i'm looking forward to that pretty sure there's an off week yeah yeah yeah yeah because next week is uh aljumane sterling versus

yusuf zal all right that's gonna do it for us thanks so much for watching crack tomorrow Don't forget back on Monday as always Thanks for watching. We're out of here