The Ariel Helwani Show - UFC London Post-Show: Sean Brady Steamrolls Leon Edwards; Title Shot Next?!

Episode Date: March 23, 2025

3PAC is back! Ariel Helwani, Chuck Mindenhall, and Petesy Carroll reunite to react to UFC London, starting with Sean Brady's spectacular submission of Leon Edwards in the main event (03:57).Next, they... move to the co-main event, which saw Carlos Ulberg edge out a decision against Jan Blachowicz (32:11), before moving on to Kevin Holland's bounce back win over Gunnar Nelson (41:06).The trio take a detour to discuss Petesy's night out with comedian Shane Gillis (47:28) and then get back on track to wrap up the rest of the card (53:36).They close the show with a tribute to legend George Foreman (1:00:38) and touch on results from around the combat sports world (1:05:03) before saying goodbye.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Back in your life on this Saturday night, March 22nd, 2025. Hello again again everyone. Welcome to the UFC London post show right here on Uncrowned on the area Hawani show YouTube channel. It's an old school kind of night. Why? Well, if you're a fan of English MMA, maybe not a night to write home about, not one for the scrapbook.
Starting point is 00:00:44 By my count, the event just wrapped up by the way, by my count, the English fighters went two and six on this night at the 02 arena. That's two wins and six losses. And it was highlighted by the main event, Sean Brady submitting Leon Edwards in the fourth round via guillotine choke. It was all Sean Brady. I thought he was up 30 to 27, maybe even 30 to 26 going into the fourth and then in the fourth round via guillotine choke. It was all Sean Brady. I thought he was up 30 to 27, maybe even 30 to 26 going into the fourth. And then in the fourth completely dominated Leon Edwards and submitted him a massive win for the Philly boy, a guy who took the fight on short notice.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Guy became a father for the first time just a few weeks ago and now very much in pole position to be in title contention. We're gonna talk about all of that and a whole lot more and why do I say at the top of this that it's an old school kind of night? Why do I say this? Because my friends, it has been nine long months
Starting point is 00:01:34 since we've done one like this. Now we did do one in October, but that was in the studio. Not quite the same vibes as old school three-pock, if you know what I'm saying. If you know, you know. Shout out to the Locker Room app. Shout out to the Spotify Live app. Shout out to the Ringer MMA show.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Yes, the boys, they are back in town. We say hello first to the mayor of the Nutmeg State, the man in the hat, the one and only, Chuck Minin-Als here. Hello, Chuck, how are you? I've waited a long time to hear you say that Ariel. That sounds beautiful man. It's great to be back and you know what? You know the perfect thing was it might as well be 3 a.m.
Starting point is 00:02:12 The way you were talking about this at the end it was just like the old days when it was like in the middle of the night when we record these things. Yes and it wouldn't be a post-show Chuck without a bleary-eyed, a tired and overtired dare I say. Perhaps, you know, a little bit on grandpa's old cough medicine, if you know what I'm saying. He is the patron saint of the Emerald Isle, the host of the critically acclaimed
Starting point is 00:02:35 and how far that show has come in the last few months. The podcast known as The Crack, yes, he's our man, P.T. Carroll, joining us from Blanchardstown. Hello, P.T. How are you? Hello, lads. So disappointed for all those UK MMA fans you're talking about at the top there. But I'd like to just say that, you know, as long as we're reeling off tallies for nations, can we talk about the amazing 2-0 Irish MMA today?
Starting point is 00:03:03 Kaylin Loughran and Shauna Bannon. Absolutely brilliant. I literally cannot remember the last time we came away from an event with 100% accuracy and then of course, Sean Brady, an Irish man as well in the main event doing this business. Fantastic boys. Very, very happy. No, it was a great night for the Tri-Colour.
Starting point is 00:03:21 Congratulations to you guys. But really, you know, I was talking to a few people who were in attendance. Not a memorable one, let's be honest, as far as the 02 is concerned. The 02 known to be one of the most electric and when the times are going good, like buzzing arenas in the world, and this one just fell flat. Now, the results didn't help, but just throughout it just didn't feel like there was any type of juice in the building. We'll get through the major results but a ton of decisions and again if you're a fan of British MMA not a ton to write home about so let us start with the main event. When this fight was first announced of course it was originally
Starting point is 00:04:02 supposed to be Leon Edwards versus Jackdale Madelena. Shafkat Rachmanov fighting for the belt has to withdraw. They move Madelena to Montreal May 10th, UFC 315 against Bilal Mohammed. And they call upon Sean Brady, who let's not forget when it was clear that Leon was going to fight on this card, but we didn't know against who. Sean was very vocal.
Starting point is 00:04:24 He said, look, I'm about to have a kid, but I'll take this fight because I understand what's at stake here. Well, he didn't get the fight, but then he got the fight when they moved JDM to Montreal. He took the fight, he did what he had to do. Some people like Michael Bisping called it a nightmare situation for Leon Edwards.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Leon appeared to be calm, cool, and collected, very confident all week long. There was some talk of a, of a staph infection. Would that affect him? Would it not? What was the performance, um, in, in July all about? Was it, was it a factor of the, you know, the, the, the, the time that the fight happened, uh, 5 AM, 6 AM is Bilal just better than Leon?
Starting point is 00:05:01 This was a fight where Leon had to say, y'all must have forgot. I am who I am, I'm still the guy, I'm still a top contender, I'm still the best in the weight class, I'm number one in the rankings, all that stuff and more, and he did not prove that. Shawn Brady went in there and steamrolled him from the get-go. The pace, the power, the wrestling, and then eventually the submission chuck, blown away by Shawn's performance. We thought we had seen his his high point against Gilbert This of course way more impressive your quick thoughts on what you just witnessed This was kind of the worst-case scenario. I think when they made this fight
Starting point is 00:05:36 This was the first idea that pops into your head and I know it's talking to Pizzi about this on Friday If you just went back to the to the Gastelum and the Burns fights for Brady, I think he had 12 takedowns for a total of like 20 minutes around that of control time. So we knew exactly what he would want to do. And we knew if he did that to Leon in this fight that it was going to make for the kind of situation that we had where the crowd was going to be despondent
Starting point is 00:06:04 as the fight was playing out be despondent as the fight was playing out and then Leon would ultimately succumb. I wasn't sure he would get tapped out in this situation. We knew that that was certainly a possibility but I think that's just it's got to be the worst-case scenario for a guy. I felt like when he was talking to you early in the week you know he got a kind of accosted for giving all these excuses and kind of talking about The different things that kind of went into his lackluster performance You could still point to that because he had shown so much metal, you know to get to that point so much metal man
Starting point is 00:06:38 And everything that he's overcoming his life and everything to put himself in that situation This had to be the moment that you see him return and put on a big performance And instead I feel like it just kind of I mean we were talking a little bit before we started taking like people are just coming after him on on social media and everything else and uh it felt it feels like the big moment the big homecoming moment he gets one more of those and it's he blew it you know it's not it's not happening it's unfortunate because it is it wasn't ideal's not, it's not happening. It's unfortunate because it is, it wasn't ideal circumstances again, but that's not the way we remember these types of things in the end. PT. Yeah, it's really unfortunate. Um, it's exactly like everyone was predicting. If this went the worst way imaginable for Leon Edwards, that's exactly what happened here today. Um,
Starting point is 00:07:18 you know, in terms of where he goes from there, it becomes very tricky. Um, I think he's in a situation now where he will be put up against the prospects in this division. We've been talking about them for a long time. There are many of them who need to kind of usurp this old title conversation that's been going on for so long. Unfortunately Leon is out of that now you'd imagine. And look, you asked me about Leon, one thing I will say for Brady is look what Bilal Mohamed was able to do in this division with that kind of skill set. Top heavy, blast double double able to control a guy from the bottom. There are a lot of really good strokes in this division, but if you can grapple like
Starting point is 00:07:52 that, if you can wrestle like that, you're, you're, you're going to get there very quickly. You're going to be right up the top very quickly. You can imagine, imagine Brady V Shavkat imagine Brady V Ian Gary, imagine Brady V Jack Delamandel and I know he's fighting for the title, but the point is, if he can do this kind of thing, as we've seen Bilal do, it's gonna be very, very hard to beat this guy. It's just, he is a great stylistic matchup for the rest of the contenders in this division.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Well, Bilal Mohammed, the aforementioned Bilal Mohammed, having himself a night, he is absolutely loving this, on Twitter. Everyone has an off night when the bully's in front of them what time is it in London asking for Leon don't let him bully you son Leon still on 5 a.m. time zone just how good is Bilal Muhammad Leon's going to need a big motivational speech this round he's going on and on as the fight is going on Sean copied my homework headshot dead retweets is just how good is Bilal Mohammed tweet. Retweet someone who says,
Starting point is 00:08:45 and Bilal finished that dude. Bullies always right. He just tweeted and I'm sure many more to come. The thing about this fight, this fight could have been the sort of referendum on that performance. And what I mean by that is, if Leon would have come out and just absolutely smoked Sean Brady, he could have come back and said, you see what I told you guys? It was the night I was off this and that. Now it becomes, now the verdict becomes, no, that was just, you know, you weren't the better man that night. You just got beat. You know, because there was a case to be made, but then the naysayers would say, well, what about Aspen? Well, what about Patty? You got to put Manchester to bed now. No one could bring it up. No one could bring it up anymore. No one can bring it up anymore. This, this wasn't an awful performance.
Starting point is 00:09:24 This, you had to bounce back and show that you are still that guy. And he did not do that. Um, in fact, what we found out was that Sean Brady is that guy. And now we'll go back to Sean saying, look, that performance in Abu Dhabi, that wasn't me. You know what I mean? Now we can say like, that wasn't me. And then after the fight, he, he, he goes to Dana White and it sounded like he said
Starting point is 00:09:44 something to the effect of, I need that fight. I need that fight. Now Now we can say like, that wasn't me. And then after the fight, he, he, he goes to Dana White and it sounded like he said something to the effect of, I need that fight. I need that fight. Now he's not going to get the Balaam Mohammed fight. We know JDM is going to get that fight and I'm not even quite sure if he's going to get next, right? Because you still have Shafkat Rachmanov out there who fought Ian Gary and beat him in what, uh, you know, was, was kind of labeled as a number one contender fight
Starting point is 00:10:06 in December. And so I see you shaking your head there, Pete C. Why are you shaking your head? You're shaking your head because he deserves it or you're shaking your head for some other reason? No, I just think it's actually really refreshing that we have all these new guys that we can put into title situations. You know, like I'm nearly like in disbelief that all these new prospects have arrived at the end of the title conversation and I think that's very interesting but now if you're if
Starting point is 00:10:27 you're Sean Brady you don't want to fight back you don't want to fight in Gary was coming off a loss for Sean Brady you need to be very selective at this point who you're fighting because he is knocking on the door he is right there and if they hadn't had this fight in place already with JDM he would be in this foot he would be in the spot trying to fight Bilal again as far as I'm concerned yeah I mean he's gonna have to fight backwards though isn't he? Like where was he at going? Or else don't fight! That would be the only option for him to not fight backwards or I guess you just let some things play out I guess if if they wanted to make Shavkat I mean they could do that right like they could do something like that
Starting point is 00:11:00 but everything's so entrenched in front of him right now in terms of the way it's set up, but it's something would have to either fall through or he would, you know, if he fought a guy like Ian Gary, obviously that guy's behind him in the standings, right? Yeah, as of right this moment, Sean number five, but I'm sure he's gonna go up, Ian Gary number seven. You know, he had talked about a Kamara-Usman fight. I don't know how much of a factor he is at 170 pounds.
Starting point is 00:11:23 He's currently number three, Shavkat number two. Here's the thing. We have seen guys get title shots and get injured and not get the title shot. Charles Olvera very recently, right? And so there is a scenario where they say either Sean's going to leapfrog Shavkat or Sean is going to fight Shavkat or Shavkat is just going to get it. Like there's, there's really three scenarios to play out here. I'm okay with him fighting Shavkat. I feel bad for Shavkat. I don I'm okay with him fighting Shavkat. I feel bad for Shavkat. I don't love the idea of someone getting hurt and then just losing the title shot.
Starting point is 00:11:49 So I'm okay with Shavkat fighting the winner of, of Bilal and JDM. Um, I'm okay with him then having to fight one more guy because you know, he's now on a three fight winning streak since the Bilal fight, uh, a very nice win, a very dominant win over Kelvin Gaslam, a very nice win a three fight winning streak since the Bilal fight a very nice win a very dominant win over Kevin Gassim a very nice win a very dominant win over Gilbert Burns back in September and this one or I prefer if he doesn't wait but he did say he wanted to take some time off basically what I'm trying to say is it's either one more fight or he's next I'm just not quite sure if it's one more
Starting point is 00:12:23 fight who's it gonna be against it's one more fight, who's it going to be against? It's a good problem to have. Let me ask you, fellas, this. If it was JDM, like if it just looking at the way Leon showed up tonight, you know, and I know that a lot of that has to do with the way Brady took the fight, dictated everything that happened in there. But if JDM goes in, do you, does he win the fight? Like I, when I was kind of looking at this in Like when I was kinda looking at this in Prospect, when I was writing about it, I was like, you know, it's crazy, because I think I would have favored him
Starting point is 00:12:51 against JDM, just given the situation. But I'm not even sure now, because you're not sure how much the shine has come off of Leon. So he's only 33, it's crazy, because it feels like he's older, because he's been around for a long time. But do you guys think he would have beat JDM? It's a very different fight, right? Like obviously. But you're right in that I didn't, there's not, you can't really take anything from this performance and
Starting point is 00:13:19 say, well, that gave me hope that if this was this guy, like we were talking about on Friday, Chuck, he needed to really, and it would hurt his soul to admit this, but he really needed to follow the Bilal Muhammad blueprint against Sean Brady. He did not let Sean Brady step forward enough way. He just chased him down, had him on the back foot. He had no room to explode into takedowns. And he just said, right, we're going to have a boxing match until I want to take you down. There was no way that he was given Brady that space to take a shot.
Starting point is 00:13:45 Brady shot once at the end of the first round, it was stuffed and then he, then he was stuffed for the rest of the, the rest of the fight. He was finished in the second round, but Leon had to do that. We had to see Leon come out, get on the front foot, get Brady respecting his job, something like that. Brady actually didn't go for a take down tonight against Leon until the very end as well. And he was successful.
Starting point is 00:14:03 And then we saw in the second round, he just hit a blast double as soon as the bell rang and it was over very hard for me to find them, how the Jack Dylan Madeline a fight would have went. But Ariel was right. Like he needed to come out and, you know, send a message. You need to come out and be on the front foot. You need to go out and get in his face, show everybody. No, no, I was the champion for a reason.
Starting point is 00:14:22 You're not going to come into London. You're not going to beat Leon Edwards in London. We didn't see any of that tonight. Unfortunately, I would have loved to seen it I don't even think he had like a big moment like even though no, I don't worry I don't I don't remember a single moment where you're like, okay There's a little flash into the way that Leon brings it, you know, I don't remember even a single moment Chuck my thoughts on your question the flow of the fight might have been different But if this exact human being shows up JDM wins that fight And we're not really quite sure who JDM is at this point. His last fight was a year ago. He's been through a lot of health issues. That's my concern
Starting point is 00:14:52 for him going into this title fight. Bilal is very good and his skill set doesn't necessarily match up well for JDM, at least what we know of JDM. But it just seems like that fire isn't there. And it's crazy to think it was two years ago this month, almost exactly to the day, March of 23, where Leon beats Kamaru and just absolutely dominates him. Right? Like if there were any questions about that second fight, he went into the trilogy and put a stamp on it. And then he goes into the Colby fight and it's like, Holy shit, man, this guy, you know, against quote unquote wrestlers, uh,
Starting point is 00:15:25 he has changed the narrative, but Sean Brady is a different kind of wrestler. Like he mentioned in the post fight, what do you say? He was one 95, one 98 on fight night. He made the shorts, but he's so freaking strong. He is, he is, he is pure American twisted steel and sex appeal. If you ask me, the guy's back is absolutely freaking massive. He's a problem man. Listen, I would sign up right now
Starting point is 00:15:49 for Sean Brady versus Balal too. I would sign up for that fight right now. I think that's a fantastic fight. And you know, I know there's this fun narrative that like I don't give Balal his flowers. Balal was the guy who was getting screwed. He deserved to be a title contender way before they gave him
Starting point is 00:16:05 the title shot and he won that fight fair and square as far as July is concerned. Now I did have questions regarding you know the time difference and all that stuff. I own up to that but now like I said that performance from Leon ages worse and for Bilal it ages way better and and now we we move on because I don't think I don't think Leon's getting another obviously he's not getting another crack at the belt anytime soon and now he has some he has some tough questions to ask himself guys like I don't know I don't know you know obviously he has fights and he could do the thing but like is he now you know all the way back to you know do you
Starting point is 00:16:41 here's a question I was thinking if they do, if they do Sean Brady versus Shavkat as a number one contender fight, do you do Leon versus Ian? Yeah. Is that the fight or, or will Ian say, nah, that guy's, you know, damaged goods. I want someone else. Leon, I mean, sorry, it's coming off a loss.
Starting point is 00:17:05 So I know, but look how mad he was that he didn't get a title shot. He put out a whole video saying he was offended. That's a wild stance to have as far as I'm concerned, to be honest with you, mate, but, um, what can booklies there as well. But look, it's a, it's actually really exciting for the division. I think, I think it's a really good thing. I think there's a few issues here in terms of we have a lot of guys in a line to fight for a belt, but you know, it's not too long ago that it was just
Starting point is 00:17:30 Ousmane, Masvidal, Colby, you know, it was just around the belt of these fights. Like this, this is a, this is a good thing for the division. Um, Ian, Ian's going to get an opportunity against someone. I think it'll be either, uh, I think it'd probably be either Joaquin Buckley or Leon Edwards. There's a big, there's a great story there with the Leon Edwards fight. Obviously with Ian, if he wants to go there. And look, it's a, it's a former champion.
Starting point is 00:17:54 That's a huge, huge win. It'd be the biggest win of Ian Gary's career. You cannot, you cannot expect to get a title shot in the back of a competitive loss. It's just- Isn't it kind of crazy, man? It's almost, if you had a welterweight division back in the day when GSP could use his grappling as wrestling to just kind of dictate fights, you know, when 50 to 45 in a title fight, imagine if there were four of them for GSP is, you know, because he didn't have that
Starting point is 00:18:21 in his era, that top of the division, man, they're all like this. They're all sort of these relentless, you know, guys who are gonna come in there, they'll grind, they'll make it ugly, they'll take you down, they'll punish you, you know, they'll nullify anything that you're trying to break. I'm like, they all fight this way. It's one of the, like, as far as divisions go,
Starting point is 00:18:42 being stacked and kind of fun in this way because they haven't faced each other, a other while these guys haven't faced off with each other yet it's a it's actually a pretty cool division I just think that some of the guys don't have the you know they don't have like electrifying personalities they don't have like charisma some of them but in terms of ability man and what they've been able to do it's one of the more stacked top fives you'll find I think probably, probably going through the eras. For sure. You know, you mentioned GSP, Chuck. Some similarities here between Sean Brady and GSP in the sense that GSP early on lost to Matt Hughes, had to build himself back up and then come back and
Starting point is 00:19:16 fight him again for the belt. And that was his lone loss. And this is Sean Brady's lone loss. The guy's been in the UFC since 2019 and perhaps early on was just sort of quietly working up the ladder. You know, he's just another tough American wrestler who wasn't making a lot of noise, doesn't have, you know, a dynamic trash talking personality. But I think like that, we may look back at that Bilal fight
Starting point is 00:19:40 as the massive turning point in his career. Cause look at every performance since, a stoppage against legit names in the sport, Kelvin Gaslam, Gilbert Burns, Leon Edwards, each one a little bit tougher than the other. I can't wait to see what they do with him next. Like if you guys, if you guys were to look in your crystal ball right now, Sean Brady's next fight, who is it against?
Starting point is 00:20:00 I, I, I think, I think there's only three answers. There's the winner of Bilal JDM. There's Shafkis, there's Shafkis, there's Sh against? I think there's only three answers. There's the winner of Bilal JDM, there's Shavkat, there's Ian. I'm just not quite sure which direction. What do you think, Chuck? It's never tidy either. It's like, you know, we go through these kind of things
Starting point is 00:20:19 and it never really works out if somebody slips in there. I would say that the one that would make sense, but I'm with you on this. I don't think they should punish shop caught just because he wasn't able to take his title shot. But to me that fight like you, you have a very good title eliminator. If they wanted to book it timing wise anywhere near you know, the title fight that's going to happen. I don't even know what like shop caught like what his timetable is. So this is like another one of those. I was told July August. Okay. I mean, that's not too far up to me. That would
Starting point is 00:20:51 be like the fight. If he's looking for the escalation of guys who are right around him or maybe slightly above him, that would be the guy, but I would be fine with an Ian Gary. I just feel like that for Ian Gary, that's a very tough matchup. I'm not sure Ian would want that, but unless he's, if he's punching up in the standings, maybe he'd want that, but that's a tough matchup for him, man. What do you say PT? I like the number one contender fight. If they can get that fight made in the summer, I think that'd be great. Ian Gary V Joaquin Buckley.
Starting point is 00:21:18 That's okay. So you're saying number one contender, him versus a Shavkat. Yeah. Wow. Wow. So, so, so Shavkat loses his title shot. Well, I mean, you know, should I get off the pop mate? If you need a knee operation, you need a knee operation. Now, here's the thing. If he can't come back, you know, that's what his team is saying now. If he can't come back, Sean Brady should be next. Yeah, I think so. Right? I think so, man. You just had him come in on four weeks notice or whatever it was. Less than ideal you know has a kid goes into enemy territory you know you that place I'm sure wanted to
Starting point is 00:21:54 celebrate the return of Leon shut all of that down I mean you go do something like that man to me like especially a former champion like Leon I mean to me like you you've punched your ticket that I would have no problem if they gave him a title shot right now. Here's the question that gets all of us in trouble. Brady Bilal too, what happens? Oh man. Well, I think it would be different because if you watch the, like Pizzi was pointing out, Bilal was on him. I just don't think that he would be able to dictate that kind of thing again. Brady's been different since then, I believe and what you said about that maybe being a turning point, I think he probably
Starting point is 00:22:35 went back, looked at it, resolved not to be put in that position again. I'd be really surprised if it played out the same way. So I think you would see a different fight, but man, Balal is one of those guys too that you you discount a lot of times. For whatever reason, I think it's just stylish, his style is maybe doesn't translate for you know, for like confidence or something, but over the course of time he doesn't lose and he just kind of keeps stacking around. So I'm like, it may go for Balal again, but I think this time it would be like a, you know, a close decision, 48-47 type of fight. What do you think, PT? I can't weigh in on this one because if I don't say Balal, it's going to get clipped off and I'm going to be called a hater, even though I just gave him a bunch of praise. So I can't weigh in on it. I have to abstain. I have to. I have to.
Starting point is 00:23:26 Even though I think Sean Brady is a freaking freight train and I think everyone should be worried about him. I have to abstain. Go ahead, P.T. In fairness, you did call that Ariel. I know you don't want to bring this up. What do you mean? What do you mean? What do you mean? Tell us.
Starting point is 00:23:38 You called it just before. And I know you don't want me to bring this up. No, no, no. That's off the record. That's off the record. Me and Chook were like, you know, no, no, no. We're going to pick Leon here. We think Leon's going to win. I want to do say this up. No, no, no. What does off the record? That's off the record. Me and Chuck were like, you know, we're going to pick Leon here. We think Leon's going to win. I wanted you to say are you were like, I think Sean Brady's going to have a dominant win. No, sorry.
Starting point is 00:23:52 Yeah, we laughed. We laughed at him. We laughed at him. PC. That's what he said. We scoffed. Roll the tape. Roll the tape. No, I'm kidding. No, I shouldn't roll the tape. Please, please, please, please, please. Oh, this tweet that's in my drafts. No, I shouldn't roll the tape. Please, please, please, please, please. Oh, this tweet that's in my drafts. No, no, no. I don't know. Like it's a huge psychological advantage to have beaten a guy, not just beating, but knock them out.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I think, I think there's a stat. I think the stat is like 30%, 30% of time, the, the, the winner, the person who lost the first match will win the rematch. So that would give an edge towards Bilal as well. And look, Bilal is just better than everyone thinks he is. Like that's the reality with him. Like I have picked against Bilal so many times and every time, oh, pretty much like, I can remember sitting there in Manchester beside our colleague, Chisanga Malata, our good friend Chisanga Malata.
Starting point is 00:24:46 And we were like looking at each other like, Whoa, like this is, I did not expect this to be this one sided, you know, and everywhere in this arena is just completely silent as this guy goes to work, um, apart from like his father and his coroner and a few of his family members, it was absolutely bizarre to watch, but you were kind of forced to watch this. You know, it's like in this silent arena, like half five in the morning, you're just watching this guy impose his will on Leon Edwards in front of his like adoring public.
Starting point is 00:25:16 It's absolutely insane. The guy is just better than everyone thinks he is. And I don't, I'm trying, cause I know that's how he feels. He has a chip on his shoulder, but that is the reality of Bilal Muhammad. No matter what we say, we'll always have a doubt there and he'll go in, he'll probably win and we'll go, oh geez, I didn't expect him to do that. For some reason that's, that's the way it is. Uh, it, you know what it's, uh, I mean, credit where it's due.
Starting point is 00:25:39 He is the best welterweight in the UFC right now. And he is, uh, he is beating everyone put in front of him. And again, I think that, and again, I think that win, I think that win ages a lot better, it ages gracefully. I think after the Shafkat-Ian fight, the narrative started to change. Like, wait a second, everyone thought Shafkat was just gonna roll through Balal and then after that fight, people were like, maybe not and he should be the, I don't know off the top of my head what the line is, I'm certain he's the favorite against JDM and he should be the favorite. But man, I would love to see that rematch
Starting point is 00:26:09 just because I think it will be a lot more competitive. And I think Brady is probably of the top guys right now. And maybe this is a little revisionist history or maybe this is just me being a prisoner of the moment. I think of the top guys right now, I think he gives Balal his toughest test of the top guys right now. I think Balal beats Shevkat or or at least give chef cut a much tougher fight than people were thinking going into that Gary fight
Starting point is 00:26:30 I think that there were a few things that were that were kind of exposed in that fight And so I would love to see it. I'm curious to see how it all plays out. The question for me is right now Regarding Leon. I see everyone killing him. I see everyone saying he should retire, that he's washed, that he's done. Look, we have to remember, he just lost to the champion and he just lost to an absolute freight train. I'm not quite ready to say the guy is done, right? Absolutely. Is this alarming?
Starting point is 00:26:59 Is this not good? Is this gut check time? Are there certain matchups that are clearly an issue for him? Yes. Both of those matchups were awful for him. Bilal and Sean are not Colby and Camaro. I think we can all agree on that, right? Just like, yeah, wrestlers, completely different styles, completely different fighters. This is gut check time and they have to be very careful about
Starting point is 00:27:17 who they match them up with next. Like they have to be very strategic here because you're staring at a three fight losing streak. I disagree that they have to be strategic. They have to be very careful about who they match him up with next. Like they have to be very strategic here because you're staring at a three fight losing streak. I disagree that they have to be strategic. Who's they? The UFC?
Starting point is 00:27:31 No, no, no. I'm talking about Tim Simpson. His team. His team. No, no, UFC does what the UFC does. Yeah, they would. It's going to be Carlos Pratches, Michael Morales. It's going to be all of these open and coming killers. And you know what?
Starting point is 00:27:45 Hey, Michael, Michael page might get his fight. Michael page might get his fight with Leon. That might be one of the easier options. Ian Gary's there. Yeah. Ian Gary's there. But unfortunately that's the situation he's in now. It's a tailors all the time.
Starting point is 00:27:57 They will bleed in the new contenders with the fallen champion and what Ken Buckley's there. Ian Gary's there. Morales has said, Pratchett, Michael Page, all these guys will be eyeing up like vultures circling the carcass nearly. You know, like these contenders now, like he'd be a great fight for me. Get him when he's on a two fight losing skin. That isn't the ideal fight for me. That's kind of like Diego with Wolkonowski. That was kind of how his camp was. They're like, let's get him now. Let's get him right now. It's
Starting point is 00:28:29 interesting man, because I would love to see it. Like a guy like you're mentioning, like an MVP, like that's if he fought somebody like that, I think it would really benefit him because he may be psychologically wired a little bit to feed off of momentums and confidence like he might have to have that confidence if you remember I mean obviously the reason that he came you know crashing through into our consciousness in a big way was because he was getting beat so soundly in that in that second Usman fight comes back and wins handles it no problem in the next one and looks like a different fighter I mean a transformed type of
Starting point is 00:29:04 champ like when he was through that first part of his championship run it could be that he's just kind of lost something right now and I would not tempt that against a guy who's going to be a stylistic you know nightmare for him again you would definitely want to put him in a situation where he can regain confidence before you make any big judgments as to whether he's done or not you know I do think that he's a guy who feeds off of that. And so he needs a favorable matchup from his camp, like whatever they do. He needs that favorable matchup to get rolling. Listen, if I'm the UFC, I love Carlos Pratches versus Leon Edwards.
Starting point is 00:29:32 If Pratches gets by, Jeff Neil, if I'm the UFC, I'm signing up for that. If I'm, uh, Tim Simpson and the chosen team, I'm not so quick to sign up for that. I may be throwing out Michael Venom page, right? I'm not throwing out Michael Venom. I'm not throwing out Michael Venom. I'm not throwing out Michael Venom. I'm not throwing, I'm signing up for that. If I'm, uh, Tim Simpson and the chosen team, I'm not so quick to sign up for that. I'm, I'm, I may be throwing out Michael venom page, right? I'm throwing out someone who's a little bit older, who's going to just strike with us, who is it? I mean, practice is a freaking buzzsaw.
Starting point is 00:29:56 He's young, he's dynamic. He's quick. He's, you know what I mean? So it's going to be tough. I'd say Gary too. I think Gary is an appealing option for Simpson. Like I've heard of the chosen team at this point, he's an open comers. He's still got the juice.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Like he's coming off a loss. But obviously there was a bit of a moral victory there from. I think that's more appealing than a Pratchett or Michael Morales too. Well, the story is Sean Brady improves to 18 and one. He's now won three in a row. I mean, what a story for this guy. What a couple of months his his beloved Philadelphia Eagles win the Super Bowl on that same night, he becomes a dad for the first time. And then he accepts a fight against Leon Edwards in London just a couple of days
Starting point is 00:30:33 later, and then a few weeks after that, he beats Leon Edwards and he doesn't just beat him. As I told you guys, 49, 46 is what I was, was, was feeling. He doesn't just beat him 49, 46. He guys, 49, 46 is what I was feeling. He doesn't just beat him 49, 46. He puts a stamp on it. He submits him. He mauls him. He runs right through him and he stops him,
Starting point is 00:30:54 which was just, I mean, I'm blown away by the performance. I really am. There's always those fights where, like that second round, the way it starts, where Leon just gets taken down and you, there's always that thing where you like man imagine the helpless feeling that is your crowd is like come on man you got to come to life right now and boom and you know that this is the beginning of
Starting point is 00:31:13 the end like as soon as that happened you knew that was the beginning of the end it's just such an existential like you know I you see it sometimes with the GSP fights back there I always remember that like he would start to get a guy you'd see him breaking like kind of breaking him somewhere in the fight. It just happened so quick in this one. It just, it felt over at that point to me. I thought the third round could have been a 10-8. The way he started that second round, I mean, I keep saying freight train because that's
Starting point is 00:31:39 what it looked like, especially with all the tattoos and everything. He just went out there looking like Brian Brocklester. It was a big tattoo night. Like there were a lot of tattoos. Yeah, no, no, he was on point. By the way, UFC on point once again. They make history. Highest grossing fight night event in UFC history, 4.71 million US dollars. Announced attendance 18,583. They've had some great nights at the 02. We all remember with Tommy Aspinall and whatnot. I don't know how much singing and dancing is going on right now outside of the 02. Let us talk about the co-main event because I think we are all expecting a little more fireworks in this one.
Starting point is 00:32:19 Carlos Alberg improves to 12-1. He defeats Jan Bokovic who returns to action for the first time since July of 2023. His last flight was in Utah against Alex Pereira in Alex Pereira's light heavyweight debut and in picking up the win Carlos Elberg now has a tie for the I think it would be the one two three the fourth longest winning streak in the UFC. Isam Akhachev is at 15, Marabdawali Shvili is at 12, Drikis Dupasie and Movsar Evloev are at 9, and Ilya Toporya, Hamza Chamayev and Ladies Man himself or is it Ladies Night or is it JAG? I don't know. It's Carlos Alberg, yeah. He's at 8 as well. So shout out to him.
Starting point is 00:33:05 A big win over Jan Bejovic. Chuck, what'd you think of the win and the performance? Oh man, it was just. Come on, Chuck. Go ahead. It was like. It was like. It was like, so you know, slap fighting or whatever,
Starting point is 00:33:19 like the slap stuff. This was just, you know, leg kicking for 15 minutes. And I was expecting I mean honestly we talked about this PT like old Berg had mentioned you know this is he's a chess player he doesn't play checkers and it looked like we got a little caught up in the like a stalemate of a chess game because nobody really definitively did anything in that fight I mean they just kind of mirrored each other you could have if you'd have given that fight to yawn in the end I don't
Starting point is 00:33:44 think would you guys have been too upset by that? I mean, it was, there was nothing definitive about it. So he escaped, he escaped with a good win. Like, you know, it's going to be a good victory for him. I don't know if it, um, he was very kind of, you know, peeved that through the Alex Pereira lead up, uh, and the UFC 313 with Uncle Av, that Uncle Av that he wasn't considered part of the division that supposedly Alex had cleaned out and so is this the performance is going to like put him into that space no but he didn't lose and I think that's what he's got to say hey I got through you know this Polish
Starting point is 00:34:19 this Polish tank you know I got through him 42 years old he didn't you know he didn't meet me on my ground I didn't mean him him, but I got through it. You live to see another day, but that's about it, man. That there was really nothing much going on in that fight. Yeah, it really wasn't good. It was like, you know, there's usually so much more nuance to a fight where you just don't have to look at the numbers of strikes landed in each round to determine who is the winner of the round, but you didn't have to in that one. Whoever kicked more legs. Yeah, that give it to him. I guess. Yeah. Look, but you didn't have to in that one. Whoever kicked more legs. Yeah. That give it to him.
Starting point is 00:34:46 I guess. Yeah. Look, yeah, I'm a 42 year old guy. He'd been off for 20 months for my champion. Really respected fighter. But Ulberg, like to really put a stop, he needed to put a stop on something here. He needed to be like he needed to put him out and be like, how have you been ignoring me? The reality of the situation is Ulberg's on a great streak. No doubt about it.
Starting point is 00:35:05 He hasn't fought a lot of the guys, the top guys in this division, you know, who has he beat before this Vulcan? I mean, Ozemir and I mean, that was, you know, that he, he gave him a fight. It wasn't like he went right through him. So there's lots of people you can put them in. We're here, Khalil, Roundtree, loads of different guys. You can put them in my, um, I don't think it's like, it's the type of performance where the UFC will be like rubbing their hands together, especially on a night that wasn't, you know, delivering.
Starting point is 00:35:29 They want someone to come along and, and, you know, you know, do make a statement, put on a spectacle. And I don't think they're going to reward them with an immediate, like, you know, a title shot because of this victory. Well, let's talk about those rankings. We do know that Magomed Ankalev, aka Muhammad Ankalev. I'm not sure why he changed his name, but it's now Muhammad and it's Big Ank, by the way. It's Big Ank. If he's changed his name again. He changed his name. He's no longer Magomed. On Twitter, it's Muhammad. Last I saw on Twitter, although he blocked me famously earlier this week. So what did you do? It's like you just put up like a clapping.
Starting point is 00:36:06 I just, yeah. I was giving him props for giving prayer. The, I mean, I guess you're some dickhead. Jonah Ariel clapping hands for fuck's sake. I was trying to be, I mean, have a bit of decency with you. Anyway, we suspect that with big nose, he out, whatever it was. Bad guy. By the way, his nose ain't that small. All right, Uncle
Starting point is 00:36:26 I have chill out. Chill out with the nose. I know. You're right. Chill out, bro. Um, anyway, Uncle I have prayer. We suspect that's going to be, uh, uh, the, uh, the next title fight, uh, the rematch. It's the fight to make, uh, year he's out there chilling. Uh, we know that Jamal hill and, and, uh, Kaleo Rowntree are going to fight April 26. Uh, Ulberg is number six. There's Alexander Rackich there, which I don't mind as like another, you know, step up the ladder. There's Yuri there, which, you know, I don't know how much Yuri is, is,
Starting point is 00:36:59 is going to be thrilled about that, but Yuri's not getting the next title shot. So he has to fight someone. If you ask me, it's either Rack, Yuri, or the winner of Roundtree Hill. Because Pereira Ankaleyev is going to be later on this year, right? At some point, maybe July, maybe August, you know what I mean? So he's not in that picture. And to your point, yeah, he's top five-ish. Probably after this win, he creeps into the top five, maybe a Jan
Starting point is 00:37:27 Bokovic by the way is number three. Uh, he hasn't fought any of these guys except for, except for Jan. That's, you know, like a notable, um, rank guy. So it w I would say winner winner of that round tree hill fight Prochaska big step up or Racketsch. Pizzi, what are you doing? I like Prochaska. I learn about this guy tonight? Nothing. I didn't, I don't feel like I've learned anything about what this guy does. At the very least when you put a guy in against Yuri, you know, that he will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield.
Starting point is 00:37:57 He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. He will go out in his shield. anything about what this guy does. At the very least when you put a guy in
Starting point is 00:38:05 against Yuri Brasovsky you know that he will go out in his shield. He will not worry about how much you're going to damage him as long as he can damage you and that's the kind of fight I want to see Ulberg in at this point. I mean him fighting the winner of Hill of Roundtree though same kind of thing right? Like that to me I mean if you're trying to trying to give a little bit of a, you know, guy who would kind of match him and accommodate his style or try to, you know, get into a showcase type of situation and the wheelhouse and all, I would, I would say that one of those guys or Yuri, I mean, all of those would be better in that sense than what he
Starting point is 00:38:40 just had here. Um, but I agree. I think that there's, you have to see him against one of these types of guys and maybe really shine in one of those types of fights to kind of give him the credit that he wants because right now he just hasn't done it yet. Like, you know, there are guys who put together these streaks in the past who go to 10 before you really, you really think that they're challenged and then they get beat or, know or they get challenged in that type of situation. I need to see him in one of those man from these guys who've been up there who's not been out 20 months and I'm not trying to put down. Yeah I'm so tough man like but being out 20 months 42 years old that's to me that's just
Starting point is 00:39:18 outside of the guys we're talking about the guys we're talking about any of them if he's able to go through one of those, I'd be like, all right, you belong in the title picture at that point. So if I was, if I was leading his, his, his career, if I was his manager, if I was Ashbel Castro, I would actually go for Racketsch because I feel like at light heavyweight, you just kind of have to be like the guy on the streak. So why go for the top dog? Why go for Yuri? When you could kind of move up be like the guy on the streak. So why go for the top dog? Why go for Yuri?
Starting point is 00:39:46 When you can kind of move up, you got this winning streak, let round tree and he'll beat each other up. You know, if Pereira beats on Koliyev, which could happen, I don't know if you're going back to Prochaska for a third fight, just kind of be there as the guy who's on the winning streak. You know what I mean? And that's what I would do. Obviously they don't have to make that call right now, but I don't. Prochaska versus Ulberg is a tough matchup.
Starting point is 00:40:10 There's a big jump, right? There's a big jump right there. And especially the sort of new version of Prochaska who's a little more, you know, uh, calm, cool and collected. Who's not going to try to put himself in, in danger and not get hit as much. But it's perfect. His hair was growing in, man. They clashed out. It's But it's, it's perfect.
Starting point is 00:40:25 His hair was growing in, man. They flashed it. It's so fast too. I know. I mean, he's like a Chia pet with that thing. Shout out to Mike Chia Petta. Lucky guy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:33 But yes, a big win. And look, I mean, Jan's a tremendous guy. Early forties had been out for, you know, almost two years now. It's tough to go in there against a stud, but you know, held his own. And I don't think a lot of people would have been crying if he actually got the nod, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:40:52 It just wasn't, it was sort of emblematic of the night. Like it just, it was just kind of there and there were no great moments. There were no moments where everyone was like, oh wow, where the crowd popped. You know, I gotta tell uh, other than Sean Brady, the guy who impressed me most tonight, I think would have to be Kevin Holland. You know, Kevin Holland has been up and down throughout his entire career. He can't quite fight a
Starting point is 00:41:15 find a home at one 85 or one 70. He doesn't know, you know, where he wants to stick, uh, as good. I mean, like he's looked good in the past. I was trying to think like, when's the last time I was like, wow, that's a solid win for Kevin Holland. Maybe July of 23 against Michael Quesa, maybe his win over Santiago Ponsonibio 23. It's been a couple of years now to look as good as he did off his back against Gunnar Nelson with the striking as well, almost stopped him early in the fight.
Starting point is 00:41:44 Gunnar got saved by the bell. There was some talk that he hit him after the bell. I don't think it was after the bell. It was, it was, in my opinion, it was at the buzzer. I thought Kevin Holland in his return to 170 in a, in a pretty quick turnaround. Remember he just fought in January, January 18th, less than or a little over two months ago. And I know Gunnar hasn't fought in two years as well.
Starting point is 00:42:03 I thought that was one of the best versions of Kevin Holland that we've ever seen. And I think that's one of the best versions of him. in January, January 18th, less than or a little over two months ago and I know Gunnar hasn't fought in two years as well. I thought that was one of the best versions of Kevin Holland that we had seen in quite some time. What do you think, Chuck? Yeah, that was great. He's, you know, it's weird with him because he had this buzz on his name years ago. He got wrestled like on that ABC card, back to back. Remember they were like, boom boom. You're like, I just push him aside. aside but he's kind of emerged as I don't want to say like a Chris Liebman type but like one of those guys who you know just needs to win sometimes like if he just wins two loses two like I feel like the UFC would keep him around forever first because
Starting point is 00:42:38 he answers the phone whenever they want it second he can kind of cross two I know he doesn't want to go down to 170 at the drop of a hat. He would do it at 185 though. It's very nice for the UFC to have a guy like that who's going to be entertaining. He's going to have a name, a little juice for anybody to want to come and fight him. He fills that role, but occasionally he does this where he shows up and you start to think you're underrating him again. And it's really weird. And so that's kind of where I was at with it. I thought that I would have. If we'd picked this fight, I don't think we did pizza when we're doing the Friday show, but I would have taken Gunnar just given the style.
Starting point is 00:43:13 I thought if it went to the ground, Gunnar would, you know, have the advantage. And I thought that's where the fight would end up the way it played out, man. And kind of seeing Holland operating off his back, back You know seeing some of the power return on it This is one of his like you said it was one of the the more impressive showings and it made me think I was sleeping On him again, which I get I think that that's a good place to be with him. You know what I mean? Like I don't think he handles the upper echelon when you start to really have high expectations He doesn't handle that space, but he handles this space really well i think yeah i think i think gunnar didn't look great tonight um i do think that he had a chance to win the fight i think in the third round he fully mounted
Starting point is 00:43:55 kevin holland and usually you talk to guys who train with gunnar over the years like i'm not joking you when when we we started doing Jiu Jitsu in the, sometime in the 2000s and Gunnar Nelson was a purple belt that was coming over to train with John Kavanagh and he was known all over the country. Everyone was like, this guy, this guy is unbelievable. Like he's like, he's like some type of prodigy and he's just eating people up on the mats all over the place. Then he went to the ADCC and he was against Jeff Monson. Do you remember Jeff Monson? The size of that dude with the anarchy tattoo. He looked like Sean Brady.
Starting point is 00:44:27 Oh, he's a, well, a way bigger Sean Brady, right? Cause he was a heavyweight. He's like two eight pounds. Cormier beat him back in the day. Yeah. Monster. Great, great grappler. Anyway, it's like, I think Gunnar Nelson was 20 years of age,
Starting point is 00:44:38 went in there and out grappled him. Won at ADCC. This guy is unbelievable. And when he, when he mounted Kevin Holland there, I think everybody, everybody was like, oh, well, this is his moment. This is the end of that. And Helen managed to get out and win the fight. Really, really impressive. His guard was really impressive. Gunnar didn't, couldn't get past his legs. I kept on, so I was watching, I was going, if he can get past his legs, he'll finish this fight. Gunnar will finish this fight if he can
Starting point is 00:45:01 get past his legs. Just couldn't really do it couldn't maintain it Kevin Holland threatened with triangles like he he definitely put put Gunnar in more trouble on the ground than gonna put him in and with that is pretty incredible and I think I think Gunnar probably suffered because of that knockdown in the first round I could hear him telling John Cavanaugh in his corner like oh I thought that was I thought it was the end of the round. I don't really understand how it was miscommunicated like that. But I think the issue with Gunnar is this is a guy that everybody thought would be a champion. Like, like all the way back in 2012 when he signed it was, there was a serious possibility
Starting point is 00:45:38 that this guy could be a champion. He ran into Rick Storey after he got in this great win streak and he never quite put it back together. But you can't be taking two years out and trying to compete in this division against well-known guys with really good skill sets. You just cannot be doing that. I'm a massive Gunnar fan. I've followed his whole career. You know I know I really love his dad too. Halle's a legend but that's going to be a tough one.
Starting point is 00:46:04 Honestly I'm thinking like, what, what we're going to do from here? Where will he go from here? Yeah. When I was talking to him earlier in the week on, on Tuesday, I didn't say like, is there a chance, you know, he didn't say, excuse me, when I asked him, is there a chance this is the last one, but it's very clear that he's nearing the end.
Starting point is 00:46:21 He said he was focused on, on training the, the, the rising stars at the gym and, and, and, and, and, and just wanted to be there for them. There was no major injury. There's no major reason he didn't want to come back a little sooner. He said he was hoping to come back end of last year, but I wouldn't be surprised if he said like, yeah, I'm good. Or maybe just one more, but we are very, very clearly towards the end.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Shout out to Jason Carney, super chatter who says Holland versus Izzy needs to happen now. I mean, I guess that, but that would be Holland going back to 85 and after, you know, you look good like that at 70, I don't, I want him to pick one. I don't love him going up and down. I'm with you. I don't like that either.
Starting point is 00:46:59 I know that like they, I could see the advantages of it, but most of the time it's not an advantage, right? Like you're, you have no identity in either place. No, and it's probably not good for you. I mean, that's 15 pounds. I know. Like you think about boxers going up 15 pounds, like we make, we talk about it for six months in box,
Starting point is 00:47:17 and here's Kevin Holland doing it, you know, every two months. It's probably not good for you. There will be a fun fight on paper. And I don't think Izzy's moving down to 170. Also wanna give a shout out to Eric Bolden who says, P.T., what was it like to hang with Shane Gillis? Also, Sean Brady, he's one of our own.
Starting point is 00:47:35 He's one of our own. Sean Brady, he's one of our own. He has the shamrock there. Now, P.T., don't answer the question. We're going to save that for Monday. Cause I think the whole squad needs to be there when you tell us. Come on. I wanted to hear it. Oh, we're going to, he's going to tell us the story twice. Yes.
Starting point is 00:47:52 Okay. There's not a lot to tell it. Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead. What were you doing? There I am. I wake up and, uh, you're just like, you know, arm over the shoulder. You're drinking, you're, arm over the shoulder. You're drinking, you're, you're feeding each other drinks.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Like what's going on over here? Splitting the G. I don't know if we went that far. Yeah. Well, we have a mutual friend in Chris Bungard, obviously the fighter, the actor slash professional wrestler slash everything. Chris Bungard was in town. I picked Chris up at the airport because Blanchester was right beside the airport.
Starting point is 00:48:24 And I was like, Oh, I'll bring you into your hotel or whatever. And he was like, are you coming in? I said, yeah, I'm going with brother. And then we basically went to the town. Chris was like, oh, we're going to go backstage to meet Shane after the show. And I was like, all right, cool. And from there, Shane said, you know, where should we go drinking in Dublin? And that's what happened.
Starting point is 00:48:43 Great guy. He was talking about Sean Brady. He was there supporting him tonight. There was a lot of people there though. Like he had to do a lot of running around, but lovely, lovely fellow was absolutely lovely to us. Got home very late. I'm feeling it today, but all those lads, Chris O'Connor and Joe DeRosa, all those, all the comedians were absolutely great crack. We're splitting the G. So he stands by his, his prescription of a couple of beers, like from the SNL skit from a few weeks ago.
Starting point is 00:49:09 A couple of beers. Yeah. Yeah. He can handle his beer a lot better than us. I'll tell you that much. He's a big fucking guy. He is a big dude. Like he looks like a football player.
Starting point is 00:49:18 I think he was a football player. He's like a fan, right? Yeah. He was there. He was there today. I think he was like six, four, like the big, big, big guy. Yeah. Huge dude. And really they talk about, you talk about like, we're talking about the Eagles. He's an Eagles fan. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you must've impressed him with your NFL knowledge. No, I was actually kind of saying to him, like, since you've
Starting point is 00:49:37 won it, you've kind of toned down. I feel like you don't talk about it anymore. It feels like the monkeys off your back, so to speak, you know? Oh, wow. Yeah. You guys text afterwards, like you had a great time. No. Next time you're in Blanche. No, I don't know how that ended. You know, like it was quite hazy when I was exiting. So it might've been, you know, happy that it's great that Hirsch man is going home now. How's he live? Oh, it was great. Yeah. They were all great. We had a great time. Yeah. It was a brilliant night. You remember those portion. Those portions are still intact, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Yeah. All right. And by the way, is Chris Bungard like part of his traveling crew or Chris Bungard is crazy. Like you just say you'd be talking to Chris one day and he'd be like, Oh, I have to go to Canada tomorrow. And he'd be like, all right, cool. And then next of all, there'd be a picture up and it's like him and post
Starting point is 00:50:24 Malone and you're like,, all right, cool. And then next of all, there'd be a picture up and it's like him and Post Malone. And you're like, Oh, wow. How did that happen? Like he, he has so many friends in different areas of the world because of his acting and his professional wrestling. And he's also a massive film buff and he'll, he'll go around visiting the sets of like stand by me and he'll go to the Halloween house, like all this kind of stuff, he's a, he's an endlessly entertaining man. He really, really is.
Starting point is 00:50:43 And so I was very happy that he could extend that invitation to me yesterday. It was great. Well, it seems like a great time. Shane in attendance tonight. A lot of luminaries in attendance. The great Jose Mourinho, the former gaffer for the likes of Where Should We Begin? Chelsea, Roma, Porto, United, right? Anyway, he was in attendance, but of course, I think the biggest pop of the night was reserved for the un-crowned champion of the heavyweight division, one of our own, one of our own, he's one of our own,
Starting point is 00:51:17 Tommy Aspinall, who showed up with the rubber ducky. Fair play, Tommy. That puzzled the commentary team for whatever reason. I think they were just, you know. They had to have been. They were taking the piss as they say. Yeah. By the way, PT, I was on a shoot last night.
Starting point is 00:51:32 I'll tell you more about it later, but the, oh, there he is. There's big Tom, look at that. Look at Tom. He looks great, doesn't he? Yeah, he looks fantastic. What do you think this little curly thing? Yeah, what is that?
Starting point is 00:51:42 What is he, Clark Kent? What's happening over there, Tom? He looks like Superman now. He looks fantastic. Anyway, I was on a shoot yesterday and The the makeup artists this this nice young man Starts speaking to me, you know, he's he's he's kind of like building up my confidence a little bit I think that's part of the gig and I'm like Where's this accent from? I know this accent. No, I'm from Dublin. I'm like Dublin. Ah
Starting point is 00:52:06 from I know this accent. He's like, I'm from Dublin. I'm like, Dublin? Ah, you know yourself. I love Dublin. What can you tell me about Blanchardstown? He's like, Blanchardstown? How do you know about Blanchardstown? No one knows about it. I'm like, I know people there. I like, I said, come here, tell me this. Is it, is it, is it really a rough part of town or is it a posh part of town? He's like, ah, you wouldn't want to go to Blanchard's time. I tell you that. I was like, all right, okay, it's settled. And he loved all my sayings. Buzzing, the crack is 90. He was having a blast. He didn't expect it.
Starting point is 00:52:32 He rolled them all out too. Oh, I had everything. You get fresh ears, man. I had the whole freaking repertoire. He can go. He can just go. I had the whole repertoire. They're the best you're ever were.
Starting point is 00:52:41 The best I've seen you in the flesh with the Irishness was drummer, Katie of MSG. And like there was some Irish guys over there and he was just walking you were there as well. Just walking around talking and his broke the whole time. It was unbelievable. You'd see people turn around going like, what the fuck, what the fuck is happening there? So hopefully we'll get a sampling of that in July again. By the way, a shout out to New York Rick, who's on the ones and twos. Mysterious Frank is here as well. And I'm seeing that New York Rick is putting up the results. And I think that's his version of the Oscar music, like telling us to hurry the fuck up.
Starting point is 00:53:11 Like, yeah, here are the results guys. That place is the beat. Keep it rolling. Yep, all right, very nice. You know, we should have known this was gonna be a somber day, afternoon, evening, wherever you may be when Guram started things off with a loss. We were very excited about that.
Starting point is 00:53:26 Of course, uh, GC's doppelganger. Uh, but then, then business picked up Callan Lockren with a nice win over Nathan Fletcher. Uh, and then, I mean, when's the last time we had back to back Irish victories in the UFC? Like it legit PT was the last time July of 2014. I think so. It probably was.
Starting point is 00:53:46 Well, no, it would have been, it would have been in that era though, because Sean abandoned, by the way, is the second one got the submission win. Very impressive after getting knocked down. Yeah. I'm a crazy, crazy first submission of our career obviously came into Patty Hewlett and Jim and Tala as a point scorer and kickboxer. She had represented Ireland at a very high level in that sport kickboxing. Her whole family, her father Martin is a martial arts legend
Starting point is 00:54:11 in Ireland. So for her to come away with a UFC submission win is a big nod to the work Patty Hulins doing on her. So congratulations to all them. Close knit team. I even saw a video of, I believe it is Patty's wife, Chelsea, and Shana's mother in the crowd watching it. So like you see the, the, the rollercoaster emotions.
Starting point is 00:54:33 They see her getting hit with a head kick and like, Oh no, that is wild. It's like jumping all over the place. Look, she's, she's a great, she's a great person. Anyone that has ever spoke to her knows that she's a that she's a really, really kind person and it's great to see Ireland winning. It has been a rough, rough time. So it is good to see some wins there. And look, the Kailyn Loughran v Nathan Fletcher fight was extremely close.
Starting point is 00:54:57 I didn't know what way it was going to go when they were reading out the scorecards, but a very important win for Kailyn. And look, there's bad blood there. That's an old Liverpool rivalry I know Cailan's not with Kelbon anymore But Kelbon and next-gen used to have a bit of a bit of a met between them So a big win for him there you could see Paddy Pimblitt in the crowd reacting to the loss he devastated obviously because
Starting point is 00:55:17 So much skin in the game with Nathan Fletcher not a great no for next-gen But it's a gym with plenty of talent and obviously a big no coming up with Paddy Pemba taking on Michael Chandler in the not too distant future. Shout out to CLD Christian Leroy Duncan and shout out to Nathaniel Wood they were the two lone Brits to get their hand raised. Yeah, Loner Kavanaugh, where's he fighting out of these days? Is he not fighting out of Brad Pickett's team? Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah you're right well but is he fighting out of these days? Is he not fighting out of Brad Pickett's team? Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, you're right. Well, but is he, yeah, he is born.
Starting point is 00:55:48 Why is his... I think his mother's, his mother is from Hong Kong. Yeah, his flag is China on topology here. So I was going off of that, but you're right. You're right. Fair play. So three, three, I guess. Two and a half, we'll call it.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Two and a half, well, you know. But... It's not Ireland. They're not Ireland, is what you're saying. Shout out. They're'll call it. Two and a half. Well, you know. But it's not Ireland. They're not Ireland. They're not quite Ireland. You know, Brady. Nathaniel Wood with a nice win over Morgan Charriere and a nice post fight speech as well.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Chris Duncan with a big win over Jordan. That's Sarah. Vucenich. To me, it's Vucenich. I mean, it's like Lugodonc win over Jordan. That's Sarah. Vucenich. To me, it's Vucenich. I mean, it's like Luka. No, it's grand. No, you've only started covering them today. No, tell me how you fucking say it.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Literally 10 minutes ago. Submission win, a nice guillotine choke. And we have to mention Molly McCann announcing her retirement. How quickly things change. She loses to Alessia Tainara, a fight that was put together like, I don't know, a week, 10 days ago. Yeah. She loses via rear naked choke in the very first round. Alexia with a tremendous walkout. I mean, if Dana hated the MVP entrance, this thing was like a whole nother level. I mean,
Starting point is 00:57:02 she danced the whole way down. And then there was a whole thing when she was going to walk up, you know, with her coach there, there was like a whole nother level. I mean, she danced the whole way down. The whole thing when she was going to walk up, you know, with her coach there, there was like a whole session. Yeah. I didn't know if they were praying or like breathing on each other. She's like, yeah, every time they said, yeah, it was great. Yeah. The entrance actually lasted four times as long as the actual fight,
Starting point is 00:57:18 which I thought was interesting, but, um, great celebration. But, uh, you know, the story of course that everyone's talking about is Molly afterwards. She gets on the microphone, the gloves are off, she places them in the middle of the cage and she says goodbye. She says, you know, I'm losing in the first round to someone who took this fight a week ago. I shouldn't be in here. Dana, if you need an ambassador, you know, give me a call. I'm great with the media. Would love to do it to all the girls who looked up to me, all the fighters here. And it was a nice moment. The crowd still, as you see here, a little, I think, subdued.
Starting point is 00:57:51 And then we got a big reaction out of them when she said, oh yeah, one more thing, up the effing toffees, which in case you don't know is in reference to that not so successful club ever., they're hanging on, they're hanging on. It's not a bad last few weeks for them. And then they boo her, for God's sake. This is the day to deal with this. This is not the day to deal with this.
Starting point is 00:58:13 Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry! Jesus Christ! And then they boo her! And then they boo her! Come on, guys, a little decorum, please. Had she, look, P.T., had she said, you know, um, something about the Tories in a negative way, they would have popped, right? Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:58:29 Yeah. Fuck the Tories always gets a great ovation in the UK. Look, Molly, what a career. She's had a great impact on this sport. Um, you know, there's a lot of people come and go out this game and they're just, they come and go and it's like they would never wear her. You couldn't say that about Molly McCann. She came in here and she put her flag down.
Starting point is 00:58:52 We were all involved. People reacted to her. People felt certain ways about her. She had some brilliant, brilliant moments in the UK winning big, big fights. And I think one of the things that people should take away from this and specifically fighters, look at what Molly's done in her career. And look at the way she invested her money. She started business. This while she was, it was while she was fighting. So now it's like, when she's, when she's walking away now, she has a, a new coffee company.
Starting point is 00:59:19 She's just opened in Liverpool. She already has Paul Pita. I've, I've ate there myself. It's absolutely fantastic. And the, the Baltic quarter, I believe it is in Liverpool. Like that's the type of thing fighters should be thinking about. It's becoming more and more obvious to me that beyond fighting, there's often a big crisis of identity for fighters when they don't know what to do. They haven't made enough money where they can kind of just sit back and go, okay, let's figure this out over the next 10 years. I think that's something that everyone should take from Molly. Like she is, she's invested her money well and she now has a career to go into outside of fighting that will support her, whatever she wants to do next.
Starting point is 00:59:54 If she wants to do anything in the fight game moving forward. Well said. Well said, Pizzi. Chuck, you know, we used to do this thing on the pod. It was the pod pod by the way, it was called the Ring of Amnesia. We had a grand old time, three years. I do recall that now that you're a good friend.
Starting point is 01:00:09 And by the way, a good shout out to our old friend TST, wherever he may be, whether it's in parts unknown or in New Hampshire to be exact. He's hosting a great podcast. I believe it's called Sea Coast Stories. He's probably snuggling with a cup of Joe right now as we speak, maybe 17. What's that downward facing dog?
Starting point is 01:00:32 Yes. Chuck, any final thoughts? Any final thoughts? RIP to the big George, George Foreman. You guys saw that last night. Of course. I honestly think that when I got into reading about boxing, following boxing, that he was just a
Starting point is 01:00:50 huge part of it. He was just a bigger than life figure who reinvented himself through decades, which is just a crazy thing when I really think about it. From being a heavyweight champion back in the 1970s, the golden era of heavyweights, all the way to the 1990s at 45 years, recapturing the title, becoming a completely different human being over the course of life. He was known as just almost, you know, you could talk to guys like Derrick Lewis, who got to know him in Houston, things like that,
Starting point is 01:01:16 like, and you understand the impact he kind of had just behind the scenes in people's lives, but just the transformation that man underwent to become the George Foreman that we knew in the later years is just an amazing story. If you haven't looked into that, you should. You should look up anything that George Foreman did. It's one of the more remarkable lives, not just in a boxing ring, but in general. And it was just, it was kind of, it was really, you know, sometimes you get the
Starting point is 01:01:41 news that these guys died. Man, it really, really hits you. And that was one of those for me. Um, and I know that you, you pay attention to like, you know, all the old boxers and stuff, but the Rumble in the jungle, man, it's still in my mind, one of the great fight game lures. I think it really drew me into, cause of the number of writers that kind of went to that and wrote about it, it kind of drew me to the fight game. So RIP to the big man. Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:02:07 Um, tremendously said, do yourself a favor if you're watching this, if you're listening to this and you've never seen when we were Kings, do yourself a favor and watch that because people think of George Foreman, you know, in the later years, he's, he's a big old teddy bear, right? He's a big old teddy bear. He's a big guy. Um, you know, he comes back, the win over Michael Moore, all that stuff and more. And Jim Lampley, every time, Jim Lampley cannot
Starting point is 01:02:30 immediately start crying while talking about George Foreman. I can't imagine what he was like yesterday upon hearing the news, but the story of it happened, it happened, and that of course is the the title of his upcoming autobiography. But you go back and watch When We Were Kings, obviously that happened before we were born, and you see how terrifying he was. Like people thought that they were sending Muhammad Ali out to slaughter, that this guy who was a mountain of a man who wasn't warm and cuddly, he was a complete opposite, was going to kill Muhammad Ali. And I'll never forget, my favorite scene
Starting point is 01:03:05 from that documentary is them talking about one of the media workouts and him hitting the heavy bag. Norman Mailer. Yes, and the dent in the thing. He says he's leaving dents the size of watermelons. He'd never seen anybody hit a heavy bag like that, including Sonny Liston and some of the big sluggish of the day.
Starting point is 01:03:24 I remember that 100%. It always stuck with me too, man, because you could see it. You could see visibly what he was doing to that bag. Crazy. Absolutely crazy. And also what's amazing about him is like, you know, my wife knows nothing about fighting. She knows who George Foreman is because of the Foreman Grill. Like the fact that he was able to reinvent it. There's a tweet out there that has like 250,000 likes that I saw where it's like a text message from someone and someone says something like Foreman died and someone says like check the fuse it might be out. And like, so people just like his name and the guy writes like, this is how
Starting point is 01:04:04 I found out that that George Foreman passed away like his name was associated with with like a cooking device. It just speaks to the success that he had and also there's a great story about him taking just like a fixed amount of money or royalties and he took the royalties and then he was eventually I think he cashed out of like 180 million or something like that. So, wasn't it Hulk Hogan was offered the grill first. And I think Hulk Hogan says that story, but I don't know how accurate. He gets an energy drink or something instead. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:36 He did a pasta thing, Hogan, um, like Hogan's spaghetti or something like that. But, uh, in any event, yes, absolutely. Uh, Rest in peace to the big man, George Foreman. What a larger than life hero in the world of combat sports. No major MMA on tonight, guys, but if you're jonesing, there is Dirty Boxing 1 going on right now on Mike Perry's YouTube channel. It's happening as we speak. So if you're jonesing for a little dirty boxing one, featuring the likes of Joel Romero and Andre Olavsky and over on Amazon Prime in most parts of the world, the towering Inferno, Sebastian Fundora returning to action against Cordell Booker in his first fight
Starting point is 01:05:15 since his thrilling victory over Tim Tzu. Earlier this morning, by the way, George Kambosas with a big win over Jack Wiley in in Sydney and Sky Nicholson dropping her her her oh losing to tiara didn't see that one coming. Yeah, surprise That's a that's a that's a big shock for the scene and for matchroom as well We shall talk about All of this and much more on monday's program Go to uncrowned.com right now.
Starting point is 01:05:46 The likes of Chuck Menenal and P.T. Carroll and many, many more will have thoughts, reaction, all kinds of great stuff. Shout out to Darshan. This guy doesn't sleep, Darshan. You want him to do a live blog, Sydney Card in the morning. You want him to do a live blog. And he lives in Europe, I'll say. You want him to do a live blog for Sebastian fund or he'll do that, too The guy is he reminds me of a young whippersnapper once known as a young pizza Carol, you know he wasn't going out on the town with the likes of
Starting point is 01:06:15 Shane gills, you know, just look at me. Do I mean the man mate? You know, I mean I'm in demand. That's all I Don't know what to tell you. You know, you're gonna have to share me now. Oh honey Love you guys. This was fun. Let's do it again. Appreciate it very much. Uh, Rick, you can hit our music. Rick hates this. He absolutely hates this. Well, Rick has so many hot takes that he's just like dying to fire off. He looks like he wants to... You guys are wrong. He's like, mark him all down.
Starting point is 01:06:40 You guys are wrong on this point. He wants to contradict us. Oh, what just happened? Did he just shut us off? Is on this. He wants to contradict us. Oh, what just happened? Did he just shut us off? Is that him saying? He wants to fire off. He has some contrarian take. Well, you'll have to wait for Monday for all of that
Starting point is 01:06:54 because we're out of time. Enjoy your evening, everyone.

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