The Aspiring Psychologist Podcast - Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) & a big change YOU need for success as an Aspiring Psychologist - with Dr Steve Jones

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Starting point is 00:03:27 content is too. So you can absolutely join the waiting list for that. So that when the morning of the 29th of April comes around, which is when the next lot of people are being admitted, only 15 people are being admitted, you can be, you know, fastest finger on the button to grab your spot to get even closer to me. If now isn't the time for you to be looking at being part of a membership, then the free content will continue to be here as well and will continue to be really, really useful. Today in the podcast episode, I am joined by a fellow clinical psychologist. We first crossed paths on Twitter and got chatting there and I invited him on to the show. I hope that you will find our chat really useful. We've got our guest Steve talking about his journey to training and where he works

Starting point is 00:04:28 now and also a book that he's published and how acceptance and commitment therapy can be really useful, a really good skill to be learning as an aspiring psychologist as well. So with no further ado, we will get cracking on this episode. Hi, I just want to welcome along our guest for today's podcast. I am joined today by Dr. Steve Jones, and I will allow you to introduce yourself, Steve. Thank you. Yeah, so I'm Steve Jones. I'm a clinical psychologist working in Sheffield Children's Hospital, specifically in cystic fibrosis and weight management. I'm also a budding author, shall we call it. So I've written a book called Act Made Yorkshire, which is acceptance and commitment therapy, but written through a Yorkshire lens with all the all that that entails I love the sound of it I might need to check that out um thank you so much for joining us um and it's

Starting point is 00:05:33 really nice to have a fellow qualified clin psych um on the show um but also yeah fellow author too which is lovely um could you tell us a little bit talk to the audience about your your journey to becoming a clin psych if that's okay yeah of course so it it's a bit meandering so hopefully this is useful um i because i know everyone has such a different well it feels like everyone's got a very different, but yet there's this stereotype that there's only one way at the same time, which is strange in and of itself. So I went to Sheffield Hallam University, which is an ex-polytechnic. So it's not one of your older red brick unis. I did psychology there.

Starting point is 00:06:20 While I was doing that, I got a bit of a taste for things sort of neuropsych and psychobiology, that type of area. And I didn't really know what I wanted to do at that point at all. I was just, I'll see what happens. And I managed to get on to a master's in cognitive neuroscience, which was right up my street. And I thought, I'm going to end up doing pharmaceuticals or sort of working in the more neuro side of it. I'm fascinated by it and absolutely love it. And I got a first job as a support worker just to support me, so I was doing that, so I did my master's part-time, so I did it over two years and worked at the same time so I could afford to do it

Starting point is 00:07:13 and gain a better experience as well, but essentially I had to pay my way through master's, and as I was going through it, working as support worker one of my tutors a lady called Naira remember being sat around and just sort of your communal area in uni and she just went Steve what do you want to do after this I said I don't really know to be honest well I don't think you'd like my job would you they were what no I think I would I think that's why that's what I'm doing isn't it um I think you need to work with people I think you'd be bored doing mine which was and it just sort of struck a chord oh I don't know this is what I thought I, this is what I thought I was going to do.

Starting point is 00:08:07 And then from that, I just started looking into clinical psychology because I'd always enjoyed sort of supporting people. And I know enjoy is an interesting word to use, but it's something that matches with what's important to me my values so just doing things through support work in family assessment units and then on a um i managed to get a support worker job in the nhs on an inpatient cams unit and then from there i just thought well no let's go all in. Let's give this a try.

Starting point is 00:08:47 So I got an assistant psychology post complete. Right place, right time. And then it just sort of snowballed from there, really. Managed to get on at Sheffield on the Declan and and never left not that I've ever left Sheffield in the first place I've tried but as the accent probably goes I've never quite never quite managed I love that and actually it's a really powerful story of being sort of seen and validated before you'd even really seen yourself you know it sounds like you're really good at throwing yourself in and making the most of every situation and every work role that you're in um but actually to stop and take a moment and think and take stock about what you want for the

Starting point is 00:09:34 future and what that might have looked like it sounds like a really important moment it it was and i remember so the the building that that happened that that conversation with Naira happened in is not part of the uni anymore I think it's flat which is quite sad it's like oh that was really pivotal moment in my life I'd probably be working in pure academia now which would have been fabulous but also I remember talking to someone and saying it'd be a bit like having a pizza, but one of the slices is missing. It's still good and you can still enjoy it. And yet, you'd always know that there was a bit that wasn't there. And that would probably be that connection with people.

Starting point is 00:10:22 Maybe you'd have found your way to clinical psychology anyway but naira helped you speed up that journey a little bit and yeah she was she's a very forthright lady you know the most wonderful of way so if anyone would have speed sped that up it would have been her great great um and how long have you been in your current department, Steve? So I've been at the Children's Hospital for two years now. I'm just, as it stands at the moment, I'm just coming up to the end of a position at Rotherham. So I've got a split post in paediatrics between the two. But I've been in Sheffield Children's for two years, having previously done two years in sheffield health and well-being which is a which is an arm of eye act which is a first qualified position was an interesting

Starting point is 00:11:13 um an interesting first experience of the world of clin psych post-qualification yeah that's some uh some hot water to fall into certainly in terms of your bums on seat hours i'm sure that was um probably through the roof at times um and that's and you know being able to use that opportunity because from that because obviously you do see that many people um and it's predominantly cbt although i do a lot of acts is it probably no surprise um but from that you're able to gain things like your babcp cbt therapist accreditation because of that so it's you know there is there are opportunities that you can use to enhance and to say, actually, if we're doing this, and it's actually helpful for me to get this training because then I can give that back.

Starting point is 00:12:15 I can use it. It was a really wonderful experience. And I wouldn't ever put someone off working in that environment as a clinic just for the opportunities it presents I think sometimes we see the barriers only don't we but when you're in it you can you can help with that absolutely and when we're busy you know that's there's so many learning opportunities there aren't there um yeah um and actually you know you've alluded there to the fact that you're doing um a split post um I did a split post when I was qualified and I've done split post um as an assistant as well and just you know a little bit of uh kudos to anyone currently working in split

Starting point is 00:12:58 post roles because my experience was fantastic but you are working more more than a full-time job there is is my kind of take-home memories of that yeah wearing two hats and even down to really mundane things like having different mandatory training portfolio and stuff like never mind holding oh this is this clinical caseload this is this one i get supervision for this here and this there and just just holding that is um it's tricky at times but like you say you're almost getting you're getting double the experience on you you know you're learning how two different systems that ostensibly should be the same, but really, really aren't. You certainly learn quick. You certainly learn quick. But yeah. So when did you qualify from Sheffield?

Starting point is 00:13:56 So I qualified in 2017. So you were well clear by the time the pandemic started? Yeah, although I'd just started, I was about six months into my Rotherham and Sheffield children's jobs when that happened. And then everything, yeah, adapted quick or had to. How did you find weathering the storm of the pandemic working in children's services it was it was a strange one because i think a lot of the um a lot of the ability to offer sort of remote working or even the you know the thing i'm speaking to you on now is you know the ability to host meetings like this i know people sometimes i've had enough of zoom now i'm done with teams but actually the ability to host meetings like this. I know people sometimes, oh, I've had enough of Zoom now. I'm done with Teams.

Starting point is 00:14:47 But actually the ability to offer that as an option to people was suddenly there. You know, all that red tape that had been slowly eroded over a decade just disappeared and you could do it. It was, I think it's been really strange to view the world when you knew that colleagues in adult health were under far more pressure than us in children's services during the acute, I'm going to call it acute phase because wherever we are at the minute with COVID is a different debate. But it didn't feel as pressured there, although within my speciality of cystic fibrosis, there was a lot of concern, obviously, with it,

Starting point is 00:15:37 because for people who don't know, CF is a genetic condition that does impact on lung health and respiratory tract. Obviously, when COVID first came, the headlines were it's a respiratory condition. So there was a lot of concern there, but it was all quite hypothetical and risk, as opposed to people are actually dying at this point so it was really really challenging to sort of think of that. I suppose as it's changed and kids and teenagers and young people have been we're in school we're in bubbles we're're in bubbles, we're not in school, my bubble's gone down, I'm at home, I've got GCSEs, I've got social, I'm at a new school but I've not been, I'm halfway through

Starting point is 00:16:32 year eight and I've never been to this school. All of those things have started, you can see the impact because people have not had that or to try and do GCSEs at home. It's just regardless of who you are, that is hard. It's just not ideal. It's just not an ideal situation, is it? You know, what we know is a part of, you know, part of what helps us thrive is the environment sometimes, you know, and about it being separate and different to home. Yeah. Like people have not had it easy you know many people haven't regardless of their positions but um you know i think i just feel i just really feel for the year sixes and year sevens that missed those important times and also the year 10s and 11s and 12s and 13s they missed some key key milestones. And also they missed, you know, the sixth formers missed going out drinking

Starting point is 00:17:28 and, you know, socialising. Just all those things that you take for, well, that I remember taking very much for granted and thinking sort of first year of uni, what would it have been like? That experience of, you know, the world opening up is essentially what that process is isn't it of going to uni and well yeah it's essentially an extension of school now because the world isn't opening up in all those other ways those living away from home or going

Starting point is 00:18:01 out and just you know partially offending for yourself it's a it's some of the continuation of grief and trauma isn't it that actually nobody needs to have died in order to have a grief response for what you've lost and of course the whole aspect of of covid of course is that many many people did die and so there's this traditional grief as well but there's you know there's secondary griefs and griefs for different reasons as well um you know and like you said i still can make myself smile thinking about some of my first year and second year uni um you know fun and games it's hilarious um and people just haven't been able to have those rites of passage in the same way and that's that's really sad thanks we're just going to take a quick pause here so that we can hear a little bit more about the Clinical Psychologist Collective.

Starting point is 00:18:49 And then I will be back with you and Steve to become a psychologist, then let this be your guide. Filled with lessons and experience that will help you get qualified. So come and take a look. It's right here in this book. It's the Clinical Psychologist Collective It's the Clinical Psychologist Collective Hi, my name is Beth and I'm a psychological well-being practitioner from Newcastle I just wanted to say the biggest thank you to the contributors of the clinical psychologist collective book I've enjoyed reading this so much and I've loved having an insight into the range

Starting point is 00:19:58 of backgrounds and experiences people have prior to applying for the doctorate and it's been really interesting seeing the potential barriers to the application as well and how I can try and work around this. I really started to doubt myself and whether I was good enough to apply for the clinical psychology doctorate but this has really given me the confidence boost that I needed to give it a shot so the biggest thank you ever. if you're looking to become a psychologist then let this be your guide filled with lessons and experience that will help you get qualified so come and take a look It's right here in this book. It's the Clinical Psychologist Collective. It's the Clinical Psychologist Collective. Now I was just thinking around sort of just people working from home as well

Starting point is 00:21:10 sort of adult populations and I know from a personal point of view I know I'm starting to you know aware of a relative privilege I was sat on a bed using my laptop for designing pieces of uh sort of promotional and self-help type work at home because I thought oh this will blow over I don't need to buy a proper desk um and a proper chair I'll be fine we don't need that took about eight months before I bought a desk at which point my back was in splinters and I thought I'll be all right I don't need a proper

Starting point is 00:21:52 chair I haven't really got room in this spare bedroom so I'll just use a dining basically a folding Ikea chair which did even worse things to my back finally get a proper chair and now i'm back at work uh most of the time so you can oh hold on and that's you know for people who might not have had the options to do you know to say oh i this i've had enough now i'm going to get you that's a huge amount and you know being able to come downstairs and have a cup of tea between every meeting or every bit of work is fabulous for about a month and they think oh right okay i'm probably overdoing the cafe now let's turn it back the novelty of a hot lunch wears off you know yeah definitely realizing me electric me electric bills going through the roof oh yeah absolutely there's absolutely. There's energy trauma as well, isn't there?

Starting point is 00:22:47 It's a whole new kind of hardship as well. But maybe you could use that desk to write your second book, Steve. Let's think a little bit about the first book, baby, if we can. So you were telling me just before we started that it's quite new. It's quite recent. Yeah, the idea of it only came about, well, probably about a year and a bit, maybe a year and four months ago. And it's been released about four months now, just before Christmas.

Starting point is 00:23:20 So, yeah, it's still new. It's still a baby. Congratulations. When I published my first book, one of my Facebook friends said, you know, may may it soar high, you know, and sent me an image of a bird. And I think it's really lovely, really lovely. And it's got, you know, being on the topic that it is, it's got a lot of power to affect people in really good ways. Tell us a little bit about your book if that's okay with you. Yeah cool, it's the aim, well the aim of it originally was you know sort of acceptance and commitment therapy which speaks to me both professionally and very personally. During training it just seemed to connect, Oh, okay, this is the thing. This makes sense of people and behavior

Starting point is 00:24:11 and just what we do and how we do it. Living a life that is important to us in the context that we find ourselves. It was just really powerful. It's not about pathologizing. It's not about pathologising. It's not about saying that something is wrong. It's, okay, is it working for you? Is it workable?

Starting point is 00:24:31 How can we do that? So it comes from a place of passion in that respect. Essentially, it's a book that tries to communicate, act to myself before I did any of my uni work. So it's essentially to the working class kid who grew up sort of not in any sort of, with any sort of aspirations of doing what I'm doing now. It's to him and I know that psychology is often um you know it does have stereotypes we are we I'm now going to use the collective noun here realizing there are exceptions

Starting point is 00:25:16 but we are generally quite a privileged middle-class population and to be able to speak to people without all the the the pretense and trying to really cut through some of the the language and some of the words that we as psychologists sometimes hide behind that was what i wanted to try and do so it you know taking things from act and translating it into sort of stories about a greyhound track or a chippy tea or uh you know sheep shearing just stuff like that to try and well actually it doesn't have to be you don't have to feel tired after reading a psychology book hopefully it's funny it's my humor so it's funny to me but you know um so that's essentially what i've tried to do there are you know there's quite a few exercises

Starting point is 00:26:20 in it quite a few things that I've adapted from from elsewhere but essentially it's just me talking to myself when I was younger I love that I love that and actually the term chippy tea resonates with me as well because I went to university with um with some northerners and I'd never heard the phrase chippy tea um until I hung around with them but now it's just a thing that it is you know we go for chippy tea now that's like yeah but it rocked my world hearing it because it for me it was always fish and chips you know yeah but chippy tea that is that is definitely a northern northernism and um if you are talking directly to our aspiring psychologist audience why is act such a good framework and theory for them to get

Starting point is 00:27:06 their head around and start using for their own lives but also perhaps for the clinical work with others yeah it's it's a fabulous question that with so i can i can roll it right back that the if i want to give the really so you know, the dullest answer I can, the amount of RCTs that are coming out within ACT is just going up ridiculously fast. And they are showing that this is an effective form of therapy, an effective form of thinking about the human experience. So that's the, you know, the driest answer I can give. The more colourful one is that being able to really tap into what is important to you, not what is important to your parents or to your partner, to your teachers,

Starting point is 00:28:04 to anything like that. It's what is important to you fundamentally. And then when you've answered that, ask yourself why that's important, because there's probably something else under that. Why? What is the driver? And thinking about the idea that your mind will give you things that are hard. Your mind is designed to be a threat detector. Your mind is designed to look for things to try and keep you safe. That it's not doing that through spite. It's not doing that because there's something wrong. It's doing that because it is a human mind.

Starting point is 00:28:39 Now, obviously, there are extremes to that. And there are things that are incredibly difficult for people to experience. Being able to sit in a room with someone who, especially, so I almost, most of my work's been in physical health. So whether that's palliative, chronic pain, general health, there's something about sitting in a room with someone and being able to say, okay, these are the things that you find difficult. That's all you've spoken about. You are more than that. You are more than your pain. You are more than the things that are difficult. Who else are you? What else is there? And what are the common threads through that? And using that to be able to make someone's life bigger so we're not just going to fight to get rid of the things that

Starting point is 00:29:30 we might not be able to change so if you're in huge amounts of pain you might be in huge amounts of pain that's not i'm not going to talk that away it might never go away and if it doesn't, how do we make life bigger? Because otherwise you're trying to push a wall over that's not going to move. So not only are you going to be in pain, you're going to be probably angry and frustrated that you can't push the wall over, to use that as a... And there's just something about it that just really resonates.

Starting point is 00:30:06 The idea that, OK, does what you're doing work? If it works, keep it. If it doesn't work, bin it. Try something else. And that's essentially it, which is where the Yorkshire thing came from, because me and a supervisor at the time we joked at a conference about I could pretend to be um I could pretend to be a client but really ham up the Yorkshire side and essentially it came out to the ah be right be right get on with it hold on no that is what i'm actually doing therapeutically

Starting point is 00:30:47 in a more subtle way but that is essentially it um so yeah what you're doing there is almost putting ideas on their head and seeing if the bonds hold seeing if it kind of really makes sense whether we really need to do this whether we can accept that it's always going to be this way or whether whether it could be different and to you know it's that idea of accepting what you can control and what you can't and the word acceptance has radically different meanings to people so often the way that i often talk about is that acceptance can feel a bit white flag, feels a bit surrender, you know, I'm just going to hold my hands up and accept it. And that's not really what he's getting at. The idea is around willingness. Can you have this thing and do what's important? Because often we use a but, don't we? I i want this but this is in the way

Starting point is 00:31:45 so i think what you're saying there is it's it's not a passive process this acceptance it is still an active process it's still a choice and you still do have control because i know when i've tried to explain the concept of acceptance to people sometimes it's like well it feels like it's giving up you know um but actually if we we rechannel the energy that we're using to fight against that thing, then you might have all these other opportunities available to you. Yeah, that's yeah, that's exactly where I'm coming from. Good, good. And so let's think I know that we first got chatting on Twitter and I know that you've got assistant psychologists working with you can you tell us a little bit about how assistant psychologists work in your

Starting point is 00:32:29 service and what roles they do because that's a really common question that I'm asked you know when I get my assistant psychologist job what am I going to be doing yeah I love that question as a general question because I think if you ask the, so at the moment, very lucky we have a few assistants who work into various services with us. I think if we ask them, I think all of their jobs look different. And that's just within one service never mind different trusts or with different supervisors i think the the the general work is around low intensity intervention so we're talking things like low intensity guided self-help type CBT work or group work we're thinking sort of group development as well and I cannot speak highly enough of the assistants who you know who've contributed some of these pieces of work

Starting point is 00:33:38 they're genuinely fabulous we're also quite lucky in that some of the assistants that work with us, in fact, all have really, really valid and valuable experiences that they can use therapeutically as well, which is genuinely just fabulous from our point of view. But there are lots of varieties in it in terms of what else they're able to contribute to. So whether it's things like getting involved in service evaluations or helping up write research reports to, you know, little parts of the sections to then add to a main report. They're all incredibly valid.

Starting point is 00:34:28 I think sometimes, so I'm thinking back to my assistant roles as well, one of them was incredibly number heavy. It was very sort of business side of psychology, which sounds really dry. However, being able to have basically you've got a bird's eye view of the entire service quite a big hospital so it gave you perspectives that you wouldn't get if you were working in silo so even that is an opportunity that you can use. And I think if one thing I probably advise anyone who wants to get into clinical psychology is not necessarily, you must do this, you must do this, you must do this. It's whatever you're doing, how can you use it? How can you apply that in some way and it's it's often it's it comes very similar to act

Starting point is 00:35:28 in that sense of it's not what you're doing it's why are you doing it why is this useful um because that's often the thing that you can tell you so you could when you see um applications and um you know interviews it's often the person who's able to say, I've done this because of this, or this was helpful for me because this is how I've learned from this, and this is how I've developed from this. Often, the what is useful, it's really helpful, but the bit that's underneath it the why why has that been helpful why have you wanted to do this that's the thing that you go ah right that's really useful and you know as you're talking I was imagining like pac-man walking around sort of gobbling up all

Starting point is 00:36:16 these little nuggets and using them and then my mind was transforming when I was at secondary school we bought my friend this present that you'd gobble up it's a reindeer you gobble up these chocolate things then you push it down and it poos it out the other end but it poos it out exactly the same as it went in and actually that's not what we want from our assistants is it we want some element of transformation we want them to digest what they've had take meaning from it and then give it back to us a different point in a transformed way that that shows us the resonance it's had with them. And so that's what really excites you when you see on a form, I think is what you're suggesting as well. Yeah. So when we yeah, when we see that coming in, you can you can see it's not just the individual experience,

Starting point is 00:36:58 but the experiences, the meaning that someone has taken from that. It's stitching together maybe two or three experiences all right this person really understands what this why they were asked to do this what this means to them and it's it really shines through it does and so what we don't want to see is reindeer poo on on applications never thought i'd say that you know that i was probably a google whack and i haven't thought about that little reindeer since i was about 12 you know that's just been storing itself in my head for the opportune moment when it was time to you know to parrot that out but you know this is an example of what we're talking about isn't it it's taking meaning from the world

Starting point is 00:37:40 gobbling up storing it until it's ready to be to be something brilliant until it's useful yeah and who would have thought that that reindeer poo would be useful in absolutely absolutely gotta love a human brain haven't we um thank you so much for talking to us steve this is going to be such a useful episode and your book sounds absolutely brilliant as well so i'd urge everybody listening to to check it out. Where can they get hold of a copy if they'd like one? Yeah. So it's available through Amazon either as a hardback or it's available as an e-book on Kindle. Perfect. And how can people or can people connect with you on social media uh yeah so i'm on i'm on twitter act made york's a c t m a d e

Starting point is 00:38:29 y o r k s lovely imagine if you said no i'm not on twitter after i've already ousted you as being on yeah i know i'm trying to keep it low profile but thank you so much for joining us and i will pop all your contact details in the show notes as well um thank you again for your time and for you know listening to my random request when we got chatting on um on twitter do you fancy coming and doing a podcast episode and you said yes by absolute pleasure thank you for thank you for the invite and yeah if anyone wants to connect and ask questions please please feel free perfect thank you so much invite and yeah if anyone wants to connect and ask questions please please feel free perfect thank you so much for your time steve my pleasure thank you thank you so much for listening today i hope you have found it helpful um you can get in contact with me basically i'm

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Starting point is 00:41:19 I read the Clinical Psychologist Collective book. I found it really interesting about all the different stories and how people got to become a clinical psychologist. It just amazed me how many different routes there are to get there and there's no perfect way to become one. And this kind of filled me with confidence that no I'm not doing it wrong and put less pressure on myself. So if you're feeling a bit uneasy about becoming a clinical psychologist I'd definitely recommend this just to put yourself at ease and everything will be okay but trust me you will not put the book down once you start.

The Aspiring Psychologist Podcast - Acceptance & Commitment Therapy (ACT) & a big change YOU need for success as an Aspiring Psychologist - with Dr Steve Jones

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